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From my column in Taki’s Magazine: “Short-Shaming:”

Five Presidents at the dedication of the lovely Ronald Reagan library in the early 1990s. Jimmy Carter is listed at 5’9.5″. Nixon was taller than I would have guessed, especially because pre-Baby Boomers were considerably shorter on average than my generation.

For example, the last twenty U.S. presidents, going back to Teddy Roosevelt, have averaged six feet tall (according to Wikipedia’s listing), or 183 cm. This would likely put the average president around the 90th percentile compared with the average American man of his time, even though, until recently, Americans tended to be among the healthiest, best nourished, and tallest people in the world.

The most famous presidents have been particularly tall. The four on Mount Rushmore (Lincoln 6’4″, Jefferson 6’2.5″, Washington 6’2″, and Teddy Roosevelt 5’10”) average somewhat under 6’2″.

Few presidents have been shorter than average. William McKinley was 5’7″ and Benjamin Harrison was 5’6″, but every other president after Martin Van Buren (5’6″) was at least 5’8″, which was the typical height of a Union soldier in the Civil War.

So it’s less that the tallest man wins (e.g., in 2004 GWB was considerably shorter than John Kerry, although still above average), but that men below about the 30th percentile don’t stand much of a chance.

 
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  1. Unless Jimmy Carter has lost height, there is no way he is 5’9″. I shook his hand, and he can’t be more than 5’6″, and he was wearing cowboy boots.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  2. The saying in 1980 was:

    Bush is taller than Reagan. But it doesn’t seem that way.

    • Replies: @Xjh
    , @bomag
  3. Even weirder is that their signatures are all legible.

    Those in the photo, of course. What gives?

  4. Lagertha says:

    As weird as it sounds, the tallest and most wide-shouldered (big thing) men have often, ruled…in history. Tall, strong men are as enticing to women and, to the chagrin of Whiskey’s Beta males, as are buxom, fit women: a’ la Captain America/Wonder Woman . Why this is such a question after so many centuries is so baffling.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    , @Alden
  5. This post made me wonder about the heights of Bernie and Biden. They strike me as short men. But an internet search indicates that both are above averagre, i.e. around 6 feet.

    Cory Booker of course is tall; former tight end.

    Beto also is tall and (overly) skinny.

    Have the Democrats decided no more short guys after Carter and Dukakis? How tall is Buttigieg?

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @prosa123
  6. Spangel says:

    How tall are their wives? Seems like they average above the average American female height too. I don’t think any of the First Ladies of the second half of the 20th century or 21st were shorter than the average female height. Trump has stated a strong preference for quite tall women.

    It’s interesting because in theory a short wife next to a man could make him look taller. But instead it seems politicians gravitate to taller than average wives.

    • Replies: @Alden
  7. I remember thinking Ronald Reagan was taller than he actually was. He seemed taller than Bush, but that must have been his “presence,” and maybe the fact that he had an actor’s looks and knew how to dress and show himself. Even in that photograph he’s got the best-fitting suit.

  8. guest says:

    One must think fourth-dimensionally. I believe Lincoln and LBJ were both 6’4″. Though there are famous pictures of Uncle Cornpone looming over cowed subordinates, he’s not synonymous with height like Honest Abe. Which is partly the hat but also because they’re from different eras.

    Washington’s 6’2″ might have appeared like 7 feet back in the 18th century. Especially atop a horse.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  9. “… men below about the 30th percentile don’t stand much of a chance.”

    In terms of height, perhaps: This motley crew were in the lower 30th percentile in so many other ways, and the line of succession is only getting worse.

  10. guest says:

    John Kerry looks like Lurch. Height only helps to a point.

    I was in college at the tine, and recall two girls chatting about a debate in ’94, and Dubya was favored because, and I quote, “He’s cute.” A gentleman behind me was heard to say, ” the female vote.”

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  11. guest says:

    Amusing (to me) anecdote about Lincoln’s height. He was challenged to a death duel early in his political career, to take place where such things were still legal, I think. As challengee he got to choose weapons, and fearing death by pistol shot, he picked broadswords.

    Further stipulation demanded a plank be laid between combatants, which neither should cross. It was of such length that neither could touch the other. Lincoln lawyered his way into these conditions, obviously, to give his reach and ability to swing a heavy sword an unbeatable advantage.

    The whole charade was too ridiculous to play out, and there was no fight. But I like the ruse. As if you challenged Tommy Chong to a duel and his conditions were that you both smoke weed until one of you cries uncle.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  12. Thomm says:

    Washington and Lincoln were very tall for their era, but that was long before television, so I doubt many people knew that. John Adams was very short.

    It does appear, however, that the only momentum Beto is getting is due to his height. Outside of that, he has nothing.

    It also amazes me that any Democrat running for President does not take the time to learn enough Spanish to at least give a brief speech in Spanish. It is not that hard and the tools available these days are amazing. Talk about a relatively easy checkbox, but Harris, Warren, Buttigieg, Booker, Sanders, etc. don’t seem to know Spanish.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @1661er
    , @Alden
  13. Thomm says:

    How tall is Andrew Yang? I wasn’t able to find that out from a quick Google search.

    It appears he is no more than 5’9″, which harms his chances.

  14. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I had a high school teacher/football coach who thought Reagan had extra padded jackets to make his shoulders look bigger. Reagan did workout, but I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @Clyde
  15. @Buzz Mohawk

    The five presidents’ suit fittings are a good observation, Buzz.

    Reagan’s looks great.

    Carter’s and Nixon’s jackets are too big; in particular, their sleeves are too long.

    Bush’s shirt sleeves are sticking out too far, making him look gangly.

    It’s hard to tell with Ford, since he’s so much in the shadows.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Desiderius
    , @PiltdownMan
  16. Lot says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Bush’s nose is about an inch higher than Ronnie’s, but the top of his long head is about 3 inches higher.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  17. It would be totally frivolous to choose a president based on height alone. That’s why the actual selection process also considers who has the best hair.

    2004 was perhaps the exception that proves the rule, as Kerry was such a dud that he lost despite being taller and having better hair. Also, 2012 doesn’t count because Obama’s close-cropped afro defied any direct comparison with Romney’s blow-dried mane.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    , @Clyde
  18. Lot says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Young Gerald Ford, also wearing an oversized
    suit.

  19. bored identity strongly believes that size really doesn’t matter – Roger is a giant, but, regardless, he still got Scrutonized and Framed;

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/apr/10/roger-scruton-calls-for-dismissal-islamophobiad-soros-remarks

    “… Scruton is unrepentant, however, about the remarks that earned him such opprobrium. “Anybody who doesn’t think that there’s a Soros empire in Hungary has not observed the facts,” he said, heedless of the anti-Semitic portrayal of the philanthropist George Soros as a Jewish puppet-master.

    It was “nonsense”, Scruton continued, to accuse the Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán of anti-Semitism (the pair have been friends since meeting in Budapest in 1987). The same applied, he insisted, to charges of Islamophobia.

    “The Hungarians were extremely alarmed by the sudden invasion of huge tribes of Muslims from the Middle East.” Islamophobia was, he repeated, a propaganda word “invented by the Muslim Brotherhood in order to stop discussion of a major issue”.

    Perhaps most remarkably, he commented of the rise of China: “They’re creating robots out of their own people… each Chinese person is a kind of replica of the next one and that is a very frightening thing.”

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/04/roger-scruton-cameron-s-resignation-was-death-knell-conservative-party

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  20. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    How do you think height applies to female POTUS candidates? No winners there yet, but at 5’7”, Hillary was, what, about a standard deviation taller than the average American woman?

  21. @Hypnotoad666

    You implied the Tweets-a-lot has better hair than Ms. Pantsuit.

    I’m also guessin that in the cojone deparment, it’s a draw, but she does have big hands.

    Just sayin ….

  22. Lagertha says:
    @Lot

    No, Lot, that is simply, an overcoat. I hate the way you always have to put people down who are not Jewish. I take this personally because my father and mother were the same age as the Fords (not American). Could you just not be an asshole (most of the time) for once? Seriously: this was a discussion about height. You have always been copacetic in the past, but your recent attacks on Christians and whatever, is so depressing. Don’t make me attack you about Peta!

    • Disagree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  23. SnakeEyes says:

    Ford’s arm’s are freakishly long. Wasn’t he a good athlete in his youth?

  24. Lagertha says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    she is an assholery same height as me. She is a psychopath and I am not – that is all you need to know 😀

  25. Lagertha says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    duh, major duh! Did you not know that Varsity Jackets were the first “jacked-out” coats or whatever, to show that the person wearing it was actually larger than you remembered! I love fashion! I have 5 Varsity jackets! – 2 from my husband (JV (peculiar but western states had them) and 4 from my male “family.” Varsity sport jackets are still a point of honor. And, this point, goes to kids of all races. I financially support kids who pursue Varsity sport who may not live in my town.

  26. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    That picture would’ve been from the 40s to 50s, when larger suits were the style. Skinnier suits and skinny suits came into fashion in the 60s. In the 80s, suits with sharp angled shoulders and shoulder pads were in style, even among women. Reagan wore those suits with the sharp angled and defined shoulders.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Sean
  27. Clyde says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    It would be totally frivolous to choose a president based on height alone. That’s why the actual selection process also considers who has the best hair.

    For the males candidates this should be extended to their wife’s hair.
    Beto and wife doing great
    Melania- MAGA Nuff said
    Kristine Gillibrand — Amy Kobluchar — Kamala —-all looking good
    Elisabeth Warren looking more awful each year as her hair gets shorter and shorter as she reverts to senile lezzitude
    ButtPlug—-obsessive ghey grooming kicks in
    Bernie–he has the distressed hair professor look….The old Uni prof with major think-a-saurus hair

    The Donald — He has his hair thing going on for five decades. It even got a skating rink built.

  28. Alden says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Regans suit fit around the waist abdomen and hips. The other’s suits were all baggy and wrinkled around the middle.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  29. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It’s hard to tell with Ford, since he’s so much in the shadows.

    Pretty much says it all about his place in history.

  30. @Buzz Mohawk

    He looks like he’s listening intently for the starter’s pistol.

  31. Anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    Reagan looks like a million bucks.

    • Replies: @Shawn Returns
  32. guest says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I don’t know how voting psychology perceives candidate height relative to gender. Hillary may be above average, but Trump dwarfs her. Then again, that’s the way it should be, because she’s a woman and he’s a man.

    Then again, Hillary’s persona is not very feminine. Mao suits, and so forth. She is a mother and a wife (with special arrangements). But not like other recent First Ladies.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  33. Short on actual news this week?

  34. Clyde says:

    Ronald Reagan looks best here. His suit has no sloppy folds or creases because Nancy was supervising him, as he was semi Alzheimers by then due to being shot by John Hinkley and an oxygen distress when RR was being operated on.

  35. @Dave Pinsen

    Color will be more important.

  36. Reagan was a stud even at that age. I’m impressed. Very instructive.

    You either have it or you don’t. Nixon never really had “it”. He was smart and power hungry, but lacked the magic. Part of the reason why Nixon was so hated was because he never had the charisma, charm or good looks to win people over.

    Such things matter, especially in a media age.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @Anonymous
  37. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Reagan’s suit isn’t cut in the standard American men’s box cut style. It look more like a “constructed” English fitting or a Continental suit.

    Bush Senior’s suit is definitely ill fitting and badly cut. It’s hard to tell about Carter’s suit, since he has one hand in his pocket. Ford’s suit (despite the shadow) seems to be a well fitting standard American business suit.

    It’s interesting to note that Nixon’s posture seems more like that of an elderly person than Reagan’s, even though he was a couple of years younger than Reagan.

  38. @Lot

    I was recently clearing out some of my parents’ old belongings. My dad’s double-breasted suits from the late 1940s looked exactly like that. They were cut large, and seemed to be very “drape-ey.”

    Also, Ford was a football player. He had a large frame.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Steve Sailer
    , @MBlanc46
  39. @Clifford Brown

    Such things matter, especially in a media age.

    Yes, this was widely remarked noted and remarked upon during the 1960 Nixon-Kennedy television debate and the consensus back then was that the “it” factor is what helped JFK win in a photo finish.

    I’ve read, though, that in the office or a conference room, Nixon had what military people call “command presence.” He’d dominate the room and there would be no question who the alpha in the room was.

  40. @Dave Pinsen

    Reagan did workout, but I don’t know

    He chopped wood to relax. Like another Illinois rail-splitter.

  41. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Nixon won one of the biggest landslides ever in ’72, despite the media’s hatred for him. He was hated by the media, not ordinary people.

  42. Thanks to immigration, young people keep getting shorter, yet I stay the same height.

    • Replies: @Alden
  43. @PiltdownMan

    Those who heard the debate on radio thought Nixon won.

  44. nebulafox says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I think Nixon’s mother once mentioned something about him being born a kid who would have been pleased to receive a briefcase for Christmas. This isn’t so much a matter of physical fitness so much as personality and psychology. Some guys were born old, others stay young forever.

  45. nebulafox says:

    >especially because pre-Baby Boomers were considerably shorter on average than my generation.

    A big part of this was relative malnutrition. When you get to countries that were outright Third World hellholes a couple of generations ago, the effect is even more stark. In Korea, you’ll see people my age thumbing away on their iPhones on the subway next to their dimunitive-by-comparison-yet invariably tough as nails-grandparents.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
  46. @Reg Cæsar

    He chopped wood to relax. Like another Illinois rail-splitter.

    Didn’t help Abe look good in a suit.

  47. @Clifford Brown

    Threading might’ve cinched it for Dukakis. Just a little too thick in the eyebrows to be trustworthy.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @guest
  48. @PiltdownMan

    Yes, Reagan’s suit looks like an Italian cut.

    Bush — to me, at least — looks pretty bad. His jacket is lumpy and hangs oddly, the sleeves seem to be cut too wide, and as I mentioned above, his shirt cuffs stick out too far.

    The Bush suit strikes me as an example of what (IIRC) Paul Fussell described as the upper-class, preppie, northeastern style, i.e. unstructured shoulders, kind of dowdy — but recognized by others of the breed as being in unostentatious good taste.

    But hey, I’m a mid-prole from Flyoverstan, so I really don’t know if this is true. Can any blue bloods out there confirm this, or is Bush just wearing a bad suit/photographed in unflattering light?

  49. @The Last Real Calvinist

    The cream of that crop don’t go into politics.

  50. @miss marple

    ?

    If anything he was too trustworthy. In other words a chump.

  51. @PiltdownMan

    He was famously the best poker player in the WWII Navy.

  52. @PiltdownMan

    No doubt. Nixon had a great voice, intelligence and presence. Nixon had what I perceive as a wicked sense of humor, but I think he completely lacked any sense of irony. Just not something that transmitted well on television when talking to a general audience. Laugh In notwithstanding.

    Nixon had no shortage of opinions.

    Bonus track. Nixon being Nixon.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  53. @Lagertha

    What happened to Whiskey, anyway?

    Seems like he should be here.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  54. Danny DeVito for Prez.

  55. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @guest

    Kirsten Gillibrand’s entire campaign platform seems to be that she’s a mother of young sons.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  56. At the time the Reagan Library opened (November 4, 1991), from left to right GHW Bush was 67, Reagan 80, Carter 67, Ford 78, and Nixon 78. No surprise that Nixon looks frail, he would be dead 2-1/2 years later. Ford would live for another 15 years.

    As far as “presence,” Reagan looks great and it’s not just the suit. He had been an actor and knew that his greatest role was being POTUS.

  57. guest says:
    @miss marple

    Is that an ethnic reference?

  58. Alden says:
    @Spangel

    Nancy Reagan was short, about 5’3 but if course she wore 3 inch heels so looked taller.

    • Replies: @Spangel
  59. Alden says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I always thought I was short till I moved to Los Angeles. Then I became taller than average. I’m often walking to the post office bank etc around 9/am when the women restaurant workers are walking to work. They are midgets, a head shorter than my 5’4.

    • Replies: @captflee
    , @captflee
  60. Alden says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I watch a lot of old movies. The men’s suit pants had a lot of extra material.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  61. Alden says:
    @Lagertha

    Charlemagne and was it Edward 1 the hammer of Scotland? Edward 4 and Henry 8 were all supposed to be like giants compared to other men. The Hapsburgs and Wittelbaschs were very tall but slim and small boned.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    , @Lagertha
  62. Alden says:

    Truman was really, really short. I saw him at a political dinner when I was in college. Probably 5’4. I think he was the first adult man I’d ever seen who was so short.

    And then the Mayan midget invaders arrived.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  63. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    I think that was partly build. Reagan bedded a lot of women in his early days, it wasn’t just his ability to pick a suit. A suit only does so much, it is not easy to add a V taper to a straight up and down guy with middle age spread.

    Nixon is probably wearing lifts I think.

  64. nebulafox says:
    @Meretricious

    I hope, but don’t dare expect, he’s out getting laid somewhere.

  65. Old Prude says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Posture, morphology and attitude. Look at Nixon’s slouch.

  66. @The Last Real Calvinist

    An old money rich kid who worked for me talked me into shopping at Brooks Brothers in the 1980s, but their suits and sport coats only looked good if you had great shoulders, which I don’t. I ended up finding an Italian-American salesman at Bigsby & Kruthers who understood the concept of “flattering.”

  67. @Reg Cæsar

    At the Reagan Ranch in the Santa Ynez Mts. above Santa Barbara, you can see the fence he and two of his bodyguards built by hand in roughly 1975-1985.

  68. @PiltdownMan

    Pat Buchanan is writing his memoirs of his years with Nixon and Nixon comes across as a dominating presence. Less through personality than through being a serious intellect.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Jack D
  69. @PiltdownMan

    Gerald Ford did some modeling for advertisements while he still had his hair. As far as I can tell, Ford was above average in just about all traits (other than hair retention), without being outstanding in any one of them, other than physical strength: as President he could uncork drives on the golf course out past Arnold Palmer. He was an All-American offensive lineman college football player.

    He lived to be 93 and was in fine health almost the entire time. I can recall envying his ability to fall asleep: he said he was always asleep within 10 seconds of laying his head on the pillow.

  70. LondonBob says:
    @Anonymous

    The classic Savile row look, as sported by Sean Connery’s Bond. The look I go for but the fashion seems to be the gay look, weak shoulders and ultra skinny, personally I don’t approve.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Buffalo Joe
  71. @PiltdownMan

    Reagan, Bush, Ford, and Carter all lived into their 90s, Nixon into his 80s. Generally speaking, Presidents strike their contemporaries as superior individuals.

    One of Reagan’s problems in Hollywood was that he didn’t look younger than his age. When he made Bedtime for Bonzo in 1950 at 39, he looked 39. When Hollywood made a big budget monkey movie in 1952 with Marilyn Monroe and a 48 year old Cary Grant, Monkey Business, Cary Grant looked 36.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cary+grant+monkey+business&safe=active&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS503US503&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdhbLJ38fhAhXQvp4KHURsAicQ_AUIDygC&biw=1491&bih=766&dpr=1.25#imgdii=EmwGjbrO3UhyZM:&imgrc=nc2HDfNmyfYhUM:

    • Replies: @Xjh
    , @Sean
  72. Nixon had no shortage of opinions.

    Had he lived into his eleventh decade, Nixon could have been the alpha commenter at iSteve. A great loss.

  73. @Steve Sailer

    My impression, based on limited experience dealing with the kinds of gentlemen who grew up preppie and who follow the style, is that very few of them have the shoulders needed for those suits. Most of them look gently pear-shaped in their unstructured jackets.

  74. Don’t forget James Madison at 5’4″, probably the shortest and one of our smartest Presidents.

  75. So, the shortest of all time was James Madison, correct? I think I remember hearing he stood 5’3”. Obviously people were shorter back then. When I visited St Augustine Fl a few years ago, a tour guide talked about their statue of Ponce de Leon, and how it was his actual height – 4 ft 11.

  76. @SnakeEyes

    Ford’s arm’s are freakishly long. Wasn’t he a good athlete in his youth?

    Yes. Football star standout at University of Michigan (though not selected for the All American team) 1932-1934. From Wiki:

    “Ford played center, linebacker, and long snapper for the school’s football team and helped the Wolverines to two undefeated seasons and national titles in 1932 and 1933. In his senior year of 1934, the team suffered a steep decline and won only one game, but Ford was still the team’s star player. In one of those games, Michigan held heavily favored Minnesota—the eventual national champion—to a scoreless tie in the first half. After the game, assistant coach Bennie Oosterbaan said, “When I walked into the dressing room at halftime, I had tears in my eyes I was so proud of them. Ford and [Cedric] Sweet played their hearts out. They were everywhere on defense.” Ford later recalled, “During 25 years in the rough-and-tumble world of politics, I often thought of the experiences before, during, and after that game in 1934. Remembering them has helped me many times to face a tough situation, take action, and make every effort possible despite adverse odds.” His teammates later voted Ford their most valuable player, with one assistant coach noting, “They felt Jerry was one guy who would stay and fight in a losing cause.”

    In 1934, Ford was selected for the Eastern Team on the Shriner’s East–West Shrine Game at San Francisco (a benefit for physically disabled children), played on January 1, 1935. As part of the 1935 Collegiate All-Star football team, Ford played against the Chicago Bears in the Chicago College All-Star Game at Soldier Field. In honor of his athletic accomplishments and his later political career, the University of Michigan retired Ford’s No. 48 jersey in 1994.”

    • Replies: @Alden
  77. Xjh says:
    @Justice Duvall

    In the 1988 during the election coverage, GHWB was fighting the “Wimp Factor.” Jeb in particular was angered by the notion and gave interviews talking about his Dad’s wartime heroics. In one such interview there is even footage of Jeb saying people are shocked to realize GHWB was much taller than Reagan when they meet them in person.

  78. Xjh says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve : the observations on Reagan’s suit and posture can lead to several articles on:

    Tailorism/Suitism,Posturism, and finally: Hairism/anti Baldism….

  79. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Reagan wore Zoot Suits for so long they came back into fashion.

  80. Dmitry says:

    It’s also another way American political norms, failed to export to Russian political norms.

  81. @LondonBob

    Thanks much; that’s very helpful.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  82. bomag says:
    @Justice Duvall

    Reagan stands out in that photo for his ideal proportions and better fitting suit.

  83. dearieme says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Are they on oath when they report their heights? Do they wear shoes with “lifts” when it is measured?

    Why on earth would anyone take these purported data seriously?

  84. @Buzz Mohawk

    Similar to how generations of Republicans still believe that Reagan was more conservative than he was.

  85. @PiltdownMan

    Look, let’s be real, what got Kennedy over the top was massive political corruption in Chicago and in the counties of South Texas

    Those latter counties – Mexican-majority but dominated by some nasty white Democrats – were sorta parodied in a movie called ‘Lone Star,’ in which Kris Kristofferson is a “Texas sheriff who makes up the law”

  86. @Dave Pinsen

    And not gonna take it anymore. There, she said it. Brave.

  87. @LondonBob

    Once a fashion moves to the definite article it is past its prime. Then again for men timeless is best.

  88. @nebulafox

    Which makes Lincoln in the 19th Century stand out even more starkly from our vantage point today. He was born just as the Industrial Revolution was taking off on the “frontier” of America where life was pretty third-worldish, or, rather, what everyone around the planet experienced (if you weren’t part of the nobility wherever you came from) from prehistory up until that time. Lincoln had a younger brother who died as a baby (yeah infant mortality was horrific back then), and lost his mother, Nancy Hanks Lincoln, to “milk sickness” (yeah go look that up) when he was 9. How his father and stepmother keep that growing boy fed seems to a miracle; he must have had a voracious appetite when he hit his adolescent/teen growth spurts.

    Interestingly, he was widely mocked by the Eastern establishment for his height; they thought of him as almost circus-freakish. Most likely due to Steve’s observation that, even though height gives some perceived advantage, if you are perceived as gangly and/or uncoordinated (not gracile), it cancels out. Maybe he looked like John Cleese when he walked…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  89. @Steve Sailer

    Which makes Trump’s turn as Nixon 2.0 stranger than fiction.

    • Replies: @Sean
  90. Sean says:

    Reagan’s hair gave him a little extra and made his undersized head look more normal, I suspect he is wearing stage shoes (ie lifts). Bush the Elder has no trace of footwear advantage and is much larger than I thought; did he perhaps understate his tallness? Nixon had a cranium of Bronze Age dimensions. A man to be feared.

  91. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Bush — to me, at least — looks pretty bad. His jacket is lumpy and hangs oddly, the sleeves seem to be cut too wide, and as I mentioned above, his shirt cuffs stick out too far.

    The Bush suit strikes me as an example of what (IIRC) Paul Fussell described as the upper-class, preppie, northeastern style, i.e. unstructured shoulders, kind of dowdy — but recognized by others of the breed as being in unostentatious good taste.

    Slacker WASP chic?

  92. Sean says:
    @Steve Sailer

    She made men look juvenile. Enormous head.

    • Replies: @Alden
  93. unit472 says:

    Hollywood has always had a problem with ‘height’ and it worked against actresses. George Clooney’s ‘faux’ wife Amal towers above him if she wears heels. Obviously, leading men cannot be shorter than their female co-star as it doesn’t look ‘believable’ for a short man to be romantically involved with a taller woman. Not a problem for Clint Eastwood, Cary Grant or John Wayne but a real problem for 5′ 6″ Alan Ladd so he got paired with 4′ 11″ Veronica Lake. The fact that such leading men as Richard Burton, Tony Curtis, Paul Newman, Kirk Douglas etc were 5′ 9″ish limited the chances of tall actresses to get leading roles.

    One wonders when the first lawsuit will be filed by a tall actress denied a role because she was too tall.

  94. @Steve Sailer

    That’s what pull-ups were for.

  95. Xjh says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Reagan holding his arms out is great posture because it allows you to see his tapered cut and makes him look larger up top, giving the impression of bigger shoulders. His Hollywood background must have provided him with knowing how to pose properly to project strength.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Coburn
  96. countenance says: • Website

    One thing to remember is that after 30, men start to lose a little bit of height. And Presidents tend to come from the universe of men who are well past the age of 30. So I figure that every President’s height is maybe a bit shorter than his peak height.

  97. Spangel says:
    @Alden

    Internet says her height is 5’4”, so average. Betty Ford was 5’3”, but ford didn’t win a presidential election.

  98. captflee says:
    @Alden

    Hey, 257,

    Same here, but for me it’s New Orleans. Crossing the parish line inbound is good for two inches, twenty pounds, and twenty IQ points.

  99. Jack D says:
    @Thomm

    Tim Kaine gave speeches in passable Spanish during Hillary’s campaign and it just made him seem like an even bigger cuck and panderer.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @AndrewR
    , @Johann Ricke
  100. Jack D says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The light is hitting Bush’s suit so you can see the wrinkles. Should have been pressed better. Should have been a darker color.

    Of all the suits, Nixon’s is the one that is the most classic Brooks Brothers style “sack” suit with a soft shoulder – he looks like the Wall St. lawyer that he once was. Reagan looks like the movie star he once was.

  101. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Chopping wood with a large axe is very strenuous exercise, and very functional, too. The prestige media, most of whom are NYC/DC apartment rats and have never been off pavement, let alone handled a tool, used to make fun of Reagan for his choice of exercise. To them, exercise is driving to the gym and getting on a treadmill or a stairmaster while reading. The old Thunderthighs, Bill Clinton, who slowly jogged the streets of DC with Secret Service all around him, was admired for his exercise routine, as was Obama for playing basketball. W, who cleared brush on his ranch for exercise, another strenuous and functional activity, not so much.
    Jogging on pavement is not a great idea for your joints, especially if you are a tall, heavy man like Clinton used to be. Yet marathon runners are admired for their “fitness”, while folks who can total 2000 lb in a powerlifting triple are thought of as freaks. Of course, the former tend to be Democrat and the latter, Republican.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  102. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I think if Nixon had not been disgraced he could have had a 2nd career as a Supreme Court justice like Taft, especially if he had won in 1960 instead of ’68.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  103. @Lagertha

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/presidential-height/#comment-3146581

    bored identity strongly believes we already had this conversation;

    “Lagertha, you can have your ale-horn half empty, but only after you take care of your five o’clock shadow!”

  104. Jack D says:
    @Alden

    Reported heights are always amusing when you see people of “different” heights side by side. Supposedly , Truman, Churchill and Stalin were 5-8, 5-6 and 5-5 but in photos they are all about the same and the same is probably 5-4 in their stocking feet.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  105. LondonBob says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    To be fair it is very fitted, Bush has a more traditional Savile row cut suit on. You would figure the style conscious Reagan and the sophisticated Bush would be the ones to not wear a traditional American suit.

    Tailored suits are of course completely unnecessary these days, unless you have an odd frame, machine made are of a very high quality and can be adjusted cheaply by a tailor, if needs be.

  106. @OilcanFloyd

    He very well could have lost height. Hips and intervertebral spaces all shrink. Jack Nicklaus estimates he’s lost between two and three inches in height after a lifetime of torqueing his body.

  107. @Jack D

    Good observations. Ford looks like the collegiate athlete he once was.

  108. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Wrong on all counts. Hillary is more like 5-6 than 5-7, and average non-Hispanic American female height is 5-5 with an SD of 3.5″, so she is barely above average. To the extent that being tall confers an advantage on female candidates (it doesn’t), Hillary ain’t got it. Regardless of her actual height, she doesn’t “read” as tall (e.g. even though Bush was taller than Reagan, Reagan “read” as being tall). She reads as being fat and dumpy in her ridiculous Mao suits:

    Did she have Lesbian fashion consultants? Otherwise I don’t understand it.

  109. captflee says:
    @Alden

    Hey, 257

    New Orleans has a similar effect on me. Crossing the parish line inbound makes me feel two inches taller, twenty pounds lighter, and twenty IQ points less dumb.

  110. @Alden

    A tall, broad-shouldered man is almost universally liked and respected. Only lesbians object to their presence, not to mention dominance.

  111. anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    And the latest Kennedy’s launching into Spanish mid-sentence in his post-election speech was more shocking than even his drool or the stupid, pandering banality of his words. The crowd cheered, but I was appalled, even though I think everyone should speak several languages passably and I like Spanish. But the brazen attempt to spring us into our post-American, Spanish-speaking future was just too much.

    I wish Trump one day would just switch to German mid-speech, preferably Austrian-accented. The media shitstorm that would ensue would be beautiful to behold. Switching to Spanish – doubleplusgood; switching to German – we told you he was a Nazi all along! These Drumpfs – they’re all alike!
    Unfortunately, I don’t think Trump speaks German and would pull that stunt even if he did.

  112. AndrewR says:
    @Jack D

    To whom? If a significant portion of the voters you want to attract are more fluent in a certain language than your own (in this case, Castilian), why wouldn’t you give speeches in that language if you could do so easily? If his Castilian sucked then that would be different, but he seems to speak it pretty well.

  113. Anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:

    Looking back through the nostalgia photos, it just seems Bush Senior rose up because he was a tall good looking guy. His Nash strategy was to play it straight since he looked the part.

  114. @guest

    For the benefit of our younger readers, ’94 should read ’04.

    ’94 was the Year of the Newt.

  115. @Jack D

    Feminists are obsessed with dressing up in men’s clothes. As always, she was trying to have things both ways and getting neither.

  116. Bush is putting off a real Dan Quayle vibe in this picture.

  117. @Steve Sailer

    “He was an All-American offensive lineman college football player.”

    I’ve always pointed to this as a tiny example of how the media can absolutely form and/or distort people’s “knowledge” of famous persons. Because of a simple SNL routine by Chevy Chase, most people thought Ford was an uncoordinated clown. Except he excelled at football, as you state, from the University of Michigan, which is a big time program. Then, he graduates from Yale Law School.

  118. prosa123 says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Sanders and Biden probably have lost a bit of height with age.

  119. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    I’ve occasionally wondered the same thing. I think he would have preferred being a Kissinger-style NSC majordomo by the time he became President in OTL, but Supreme Court judge is definitely plausible as well. Nixon was the most recent President to argue a case in front of the Supreme Court as a private lawyer, in the Time vs. Hill decision.

    Say what you will about the man, unlike the majority of our modern political class, he didn’t need a government job to survive.

  120. @Jack D

    Did she have Lesbian fashion consultants?

    You mean Uma?

    No, more like Angela Merkel and a team of doctors, architects and structural engineers.

    She was hiding her medical problems and the fact that she is horribly out of shape. She is a mess. There is not much a woman can do about that with clothing. Her other option might have been wearing big moo moo dresses or something, but then she would have looked like an old hippy professor and would have had to let her hair go long and gray and then braided it.

    Seriously, I think a team of people reassembled her every few days, fed her some Xanax, and sent her back out.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Alden
  121. @Jack D

    Many news photographs of political leaders at public gatherings are taken either from a very low angle, because press photographers are squatting or kneeling to stay out of the way of television cameras. Alternatively, they are shot from a high angle, with the camera lifted overhead, because the picture is being taken indoors in a crowded space.

    The perspective effect comes into play, and diminishes differences in apparent height.

    LBJ was 6′ 4″, four inches taller than JFK, by whose side he was often photographed. Yet most pictures reveal no easily spotted significant difference in height, for that reason.

    In posed official photographs, of course, LBJ is often seated. I’m sure the White House communications people didn’t want the VP to tower over the President.

    http://tinyurl.com/y58j7l7e

    • Replies: @Jack D
  122. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    All look the same size really with Bush a tall skinny man that is noticeable.

    These men all had nearby ancestors within last 300 years born within a few hundred miles of one another in the atlantic islands.

  123. @Jack D

    It is indeed what is called a sack suit, as most of the others in the picture are or nearly are. Classic, yes. Brooks Brothers style, yes. What every preppy grows up wearing (with a rep tie) yes. What Tucker Carlson still wears, yes.

    But some flattering improvements have been made in men’s suit design since Caveman Brooks first chiseled the silhouette on a slab of stone.

    Reagan, though, did have a more athletic physique, and he could wear what approaches the equivalent of what we today call an “athletic cut” suit in a European design.

    • Replies: @Lot
  124. Marty says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The all-time classic magazine cover was TNR’s, “The Reagan Chainsaw Massacre,” which pictured him clearing brush at the Ranch.

  125. @Dave Pinsen

    I saw Hillary Clinton in person and she seemed like she was about 5 feet 5 inches tall or so.

  126. Jack D says:
    @PiltdownMan

    How did they manage this one? Did JFK stand on a box? Did they “photoshop” the image?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @PiltdownMan
  127. Here are some lady shoulders that are pleasant.

    That Viking woman Unz Review commenter is right, shoulders also matter. I saw Mitt Romney and his arms are connected to his neck, he don’t have no shoulders. Fellow Mormon Huntsman should buy himself some shoulders, too.

    Rob Portman and John Kasich have the worst posture I have seen on any presidential candidates.

    Ford seems to be only president with shoulders, maybe Nixon, but Bush is like Romney, no shoulders. Jebby Bush is built more sturdy, but he takes after his Mom, who was built pretty good.

    Pole vaulter ladies have nice shoulders too.

  128. @Jack D

    LBJ is actually sitting on a toilet, which he had a habit of doing in front of people.

  129. I wrote this one about Sailer’s blog post on some tall dolt named Ribblesdale from back in England.

    Short guys should have good posture, it makes you seem if not tall, then certainly less short. There is a difference.

    From April of 2018:

    Good posture helps make short guys under 6 feet tall seem somewhat taller. It also helps to have a good shoulder to waist ratio to make the frame appear more elongated.

    This guy in the baseball cap has good posture — he is about to tell some GOP presidential candidate named Ehrlich that NAFTA is a sovereignty-sapping, job-killing trade deal scam at a New Hampshire presidential primary town hall in 2015:

  130. @Lagertha

    In Lot’s defence, due to our heritage, we Jews take the shmatte business very personally.

  131. @Jack D

    Tim Kaine gave speeches in passable Spanish during Hillary’s campaign and it just made him seem like an even bigger cuck and panderer.

    That would seem like an asset during Democratic primaries, except for the fact that blacks like the focus to be on them. Spanish reminds them that foreign interlopers are horning in on their turf.

  132. @guest

    guess, Lincoln was once accused of being “two-faced’ and he responded that if he had two faces, would he wear this one. Great man.

  133. CJ says:
    @SnakeEyes

    Gerald Ford was a starter in what would today be called Division I football and he was a no-handicap golfer. He also graduated from Yale Law third in his class, an unusually large class of returning WW2 soldiers and sailors.

    That didn’t stop media from portraying him as a klutz and a dunce.

    There’s a classic picture of him playing basketball on a Navy ship during WW2.

  134. Fredrik says:

    The Russian president Vladimir Putin is much shorter than the average. The same goes for the Russian prime minister and former president Dmitry Medvedev.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  135. @Alden

    Anon, I once had a pair of linen trousers, we called them my Fred’s, after Fred McMurray. I could slip a revolver into the pocket, no sweat, and the pants still looked good. Pleated fronts.

    • Replies: @Alden
  136. @LondonBob

    London Bob, Prince Charles, best dressed man ever.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  137. @guest

    Similar to his brother from another era Peter the Great.

  138. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It would have been interesting to see if/how they could have maintained this charade for 4 (or 8) years under the pressure of the Presidency but thank God we’ll never get to find out.

    Then again, the President of Algeria has not been seen in public for years due to severe health problems, but did not affect his circle’s ability to rule in his name. Woodrow Wilson the same. The web of lies and the complicity of the media that would have been needed to sustain this would have been a sight to behold, but they did it for FDR. If some random person on the street hadn’t had his cell phone when they heaved Hillary into her ambulette van, we would have never known (and maybe she’d be in the White House right now). I’m amazed that her bodyguards didn’t smash his phone but I guess they were in a rush to get her to “hotel” room (the kind that has a hospital bed).

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Alden
  139. Andrew Jackson was at certain points in his adult life only 140 lbs or so and he was about 6 feet tall. Having some ancestral understanding of the Scotch-Irish people, I wouldn’t have gone out of my way to get on his nerves if he was 110 lbs.

    Some run amok bonehead was causing a fuss and nobody would calm him down. Andrew Jackson took a pistol and asked the man to calm down and he did. Afterwards, when the man was in his right frame of mind, they asked him why he complied with Jackson’s suggestion to knock off the bad behaviour. The man said Jackson had the only eyes that he had seen that said shoot.

    Once, an accused man stormed out the courtroom cursing the judge and jury and was shortly standing outside flourishing his weapons. When no one dared to arrest the man, Jackson demanded that the sheriff “Summon me”. He adjourned the court ten minutes, approached the man with two loaded pistols, and roared “surrender, you infernal villain, this very instant, or I’ll blow you through.” The man put down his weapons and obeyed meekly. Later the man said he “saw shoot” in Jackson’s eyes. (Parton I, 228-229)

    http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/biographies/andrew-jackson/jackson-as-judge-and-general%3B-more-east-west-feuding-(1798-1804).php

    • Replies: @Jack D
  140. The article states that the typical Civil War Union soldier was 5′-8.’ I have been to at least three Civil War museums, not counting Gettysburg, and I was always amazed at how diminutive the uniforms on display were. They look like they would fit my 11 year old grandson.

  141. @Fredrik

    Putin is a kraut talking, Judo chopping Ruski bastard who would love to see the American Empire attack Iran and Iran hit the Saudi oil installations and the oil states in the USA would be happy too. Running on empty sentence.

    Putin cracked the whip with the Jew plutocrats who got their loot through Jeffrey Sachs and the other shysters who looted Russia. Putin gave a Judo chop of a sort to the Jew plutocrats who wouldn’t get with the Russia First program.

    Jew plutocrats in the USA, such as Penny Pritzker and Shelly Adelson and Ham Sandwich Saban and Mike Bloomberg are running amok and nobody stops them. Andrew Jackson would’ve stopped these Jew plutocrats real fast!

    Putin and that Kraut who looks like a gargoyle are doing pipeline deals to make up for the nuclear power plants shut down by Communist rat Merkel. Krauts got coal, too.

  142. LondonBob says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The only people allowed to wear double breasted suits, apart from fat fellas, are the Royal Family. Tailored by Gieves & Hawkes of course.

  143. Lot says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Young Ford had a really strong high-T jaw, and could have gotten totally swole if he modern training and the desire to do so.

    Instead looks like he never lifted weights, ending up with strong legs and undeveloped upper body:

  144. @Anon

    He certainly looked to have the best physical proportions of the the group.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  145. @Lot

    Yep. I thought about Ford. Of all of them, he at least had been the most athletic, obviously.

    After his presidency, he lived in Vail, skied and played golf with all kinds of people. It is easy to imagine him as a retired athlete.

    Fun anecdote: A friend there was the son of a Secret Service agent. His father told him about being on duty for Ford at Vail when King Juan Carlos of Spain was visiting socially. They were all standing around a hot tub, partying, when suddenly the King of Spain jumped into the tub with all his clothes on. Everybody else, including the former president, followed suit, all with their clothes on.

  146. @Steve Sailer

    According to Wikipedia, Ford graduated in the top 1/4 of his Yale Law School class. So of the cream of the crop law school students, he was better than most of them.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  147. Dtbb says:

    I am proud to declare I have never owned a suit in my life. After being best man six times I vowed to never wear a suit again. So far so good.

  148. 1661er says:
    @Thomm

    https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1109545303517130752/video/1

    Buttigieg speaks English, Norwegian, French, Spanish, Italian, Maltese, Arabic, and Dari. The link have him speak Norwegian. Him being from Maltese background, so the Mediterranean languages are not surprising. And Dari made sense in that he was in Afghan while in military. So maybe Norwegian is just that popular in Indiana.

    Other than him, who knows. Even Julian Castro doesn’t speak Spanish in public.

  149. @Sean

    Exactly.

    Below the surface more similar than one might think. Different times make different men.

  150. Jack D says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    How much do you want to bet that Jackson used an Anglo-Saxon word and not “infernal”?

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  151. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Attitudes toward weight lifting by athletes were completely different back then – it was thought that being too muscular would slow you down. Also it was kind of a level playing field – no one was lifting. Baseball players would drink and smoke but so did everyone on the other team. I think that the integration of sports, which introduced naturally more muscular black athletes, upped the ante for whites.

    • Replies: @guest
  152. prosa123 says:
    @anon

    When Herbert Hoover was in the White House his personal physician developed a sport that later became known as “Hooverball,” basically a version of volleyball played with a heavy medicine ball. Hoover took to it immediately and played every morning no matter how great the press of business might be. He selected the other players from his advisors and other high-ranking federal employees, who considered it an honor to be chosen.
    Playing the game must have helped with Hoover’s fitness, as he lived to age 90.

  153. Alden says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    With all her extorted foundation money, one would think she’d have a liposuction machine at home and treatment a couple times a week.

    Or she could take a lot of sleeping pills and grog out for a week long fast once a month. 7 pounds a month would be 84 a year and get her down to normal chubby 150 at 5’6. She’s had a lot done to her originally hideous face. Why not use her money to get herself a miracle of medical Science body?

    I’ve noticed that there’s a certain kind of men’s suit jacket that sort of hides all the blubber between the collarbones and top of the thighs. The sides of the jacket sort of stick out like a maternity jacket

  154. Alden says:
    @Lot

    Admiring muscles is a gay thing. Women think the weight lifter body is just icky.

    • Replies: @res
  155. Alden says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    All those actors wore suit pants that just expanded below the hips. Maybe the textile manufacturers encouraged fashions that used excess material.

  156. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    JFK had more serious health problems than FDR. Plus he needed a lot of painkillers. I mean really needed, not just wanted. Painkillers of his era made the patient groggy and disfunctional.

  157. guest says:
    @Jack D

    There was a movie called Evil a while back about life at a Swedish boarding school in the 50s. The lead character is a swimmer who gets into trouble a lot (though not as much as at his last school, where he was a sadistic bully) and is forced to dig ditches weekends as punishment. The heavy-lifting helps him excel, though he denigrates exercise to his coach as tending to just tighten you up. The coach responds that the Americans are pushing through the tightness and on the other side is increased strength without loss of flexibility.

    Eventually, the kid stops swimming and lashes out violently at various tormentors. Helped no doubt by his strength training.

  158. Alden says:
    @Xjh

    Women models actresses and women who care about their looks are taught to hold their arms out from their bodies. It’s especially important in sleeveless tops. Keeping arms close to the body makes the torso look chunky. Holding the arms out makes the rib cage look a lot slimmer than the shoulders for the ideal tapered torso.

  159. Alden says:
    @Sean

    I’ve seen that movie and remember that dress. Somebody’s been photoshopping

  160. Alden says:
    @Captain Tripps

    Long arms are important in many sports. The bullfighter coaches in Spain roam the country looking for kids with long arms. It’s good for police too, reach the criminals before they can reach you.

  161. Coburn says:
    @Xjh

    Simple trick. Cup your hands and rotate so your palms face back

  162. Alden says:

    Steve, Hussel’s funeral is all over the news .He was a beacon of hope for young blacks yada yada yada.

  163. Alden says:
    @Thomm

    Most Americans are very resistant to
    learning Spanish as it’s like Ebonics, the language of the criminal uneducated welfare classes. Then there’s the fact that most Hispanic immigrants don’t speak Spanish, just various primitive Indian languages.

    The school systems are emphasizing Mandarin as the language of an educated superpower.

    Only ignorant liberals such as you think Spanish is the coming language. Russian Armenian Arabic Farsi Korean Mandarin Cantonese Fukinese Hindi and other languages are spoken as much as Spanish in immigrant cities.

    Everybody should learn Spanish is so 1980s. It’s not even useful for welfare workers and police because the Hispanics really don’t speak Spanish.

    You do realize there’s a difference between citizens who can actually vote and whatever trash managed to jump the border don’t you?

  164. @Jack D

    How much do you want to bet that Jackson used an Anglo-Saxon word and not “infernal”?

    Andrew Jackson might have used a shorter word to get the nutcake’s attention so he wouldn’t have to shoot him.

    The description of the Andrew Jackson standoff with the out-of-control man was written by James Parton in 1859.

    This Charlton Heston as Andrew Jackson movie had a good line from the screenwriter.

    Heston as Andrew Jackson stopping the swells of New Orleans from hanging a pirate that Jackson had made a deal with:

    By the Lord God, I’ll kill the next man who moves!

  165. @Clifford Brown

    “these poor coloured women who can’t work with little babies coming every month… it’s every 9 months, I believe… anyway… whatever the case is…”

    That’s “Leader of the Free World” 6D-chess right there.

    Still, it’s informative that Nixon knew that even back then, his political minders would have disapproved of him noticing stuff about IQ differentials.

    It’s also great to actually hear a sitting president in conversation: this ought to be implemented systematically.

  166. @Shawn Returns

    Gerald Ford seems like an experiment in what you’d get with somebody with no flaws, but without being amazingly good at any one thing.

  167. @Shawn Returns

    Reagan was a nothing-special athlete. But he could play a football legend, George Gipp, in “The Spirit of Notre Dame.”

    Ford was an All-American football player. The Elder Bush was captain of the Yale baseball team that twice made it to the final game of the College World Series.

    • Replies: @Xjh
  168. res says:
    @Alden

    The research I linked in the other thread indicates that male shoulder-hip ratio is important to females. Does that jibe with your experience?

  169. Lagertha says:
    @Alden

    Alexander the Great; Attila; Robert the Bruce…

  170. MBlanc46 says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Thank you for that. I should have thought that even younger iStevers would have known that.

  171. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Wrong on all counts. Hillary is more like 5-6 than 5-7, and average non-Hispanic American female height is 5-5 with an SD of 3.5″, so she is barely above average.

    Search for “Hillary Clinton” on Bing and it says her height is 5’7″.

    She was running for President of the U.S., not President of non-Hispanic Americans. Per Tall Life, the average American woman’s height is 5’3.8″, and the standard deviation for women’s heights is 2.8 inches, so Hillary is 1.1 standard deviations from average.

    Now, I’m sure you can find data that says differently, but surely what I’ve written doesn’t merit “Wrong on all counts”, which was kind of obnoxious of you, considering the supporting info I’ve presented above.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  172. Xjh says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Reagan was blind as a bat as a child and never developed good eye-hand coordination as a result. He finally got glasses at age 12 or 12, well past time to start to develop superior eye-hand athletic traits.

  173. Neoconned says:

    I recall a post from yrs ago on a blog that even used old photos to show how tall LBJ was and that he often used his height to intimidate congress members into supporting his Great Society programs or worse his stupid venture in Vietnam 4.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  174. @Neoconned

    I recall a post from yrs ago on a blog that even used old photos to show how tall LBJ was and that he often used his height to intimidate congress members…

    Earlier, I tried to find images of the 6’4″ LBJ looming over others but found that there were very few. Most of them minimize the height difference, which is explained by the camera shooting angle. There are a few pictures on the internet that show us what a physically massive presence he was.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  175. @Jack D

    That’s exactly what I was talking about. The picture is taken from about a mid lapel height, LBJ is leaning in, and JFK is in front, with LBJ further behind. Each of those factors diminishes the apparent difference in heights, visually speaking.

  176. Harold says:

    Why is this an American thing? My perception is other western democracies often have short male leaders.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Anonymous
  177. “The skeleton was about the right height and age for Pulaski, who was most likely about 5-foot-1 to 5-foot-4…”

    Casimir Pulaski, Polish Hero of the Revolutionary War, Was Most Likely Intersex, Researchers Say

  178. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Sorry if the tone came off as obnoxious. I meant no disrespect, just that I disagree with your conclusion that Hillary was somehow unusually tall or notably above average for a female. I am highly skeptical that she was ever 5-7″, let alone today when she is shrunken with old age. As is well known, publicly released heights for many celebrities are often false (usually they are much shorter than admitted). She presents as an average sized female (and probably average weight nowadays for someone of her height and age – i.e. fat, although heavier than is typical for someone in her economic group, i.e. rich). No one meeting her would have the general impression that she was “tall” for a woman.

    Here she is with 6’2″ Bill Clinton. If she was 5’7″ she would be only 7″ shorter but their difference in height looks more like 10+” (making her 5’4″). The cement blocks on the wall are 8″ high and there is more than 1 cement block of difference.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  179. Clyde says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I had a high school teacher/football coach who thought Reagan had extra padded jackets to make his shoulders look bigger. Reagan did workout, but I don’t know.

    When RR was President it was often noted that his suit jackets had padded shoulders. And remarked about neutrally, without liberal media rancor or putting him down as some kind of faker. Way before internet, so probably no decent results if you search.

  180. Clyde says:
    @Harold

    Emmanuel Macron · Height
    5′ 10″
    (1.77 m)

    François Hollande

    5′ 7″

    Nicolas Sarkozy

    5′ 5″

    • Replies: @Ola
  181. Clyde says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Great photos! Thanks.
    Your first photo- Check out the modern architecture looming behind LBJ, with a jaunty hat on which was rare. Look at the peacock ties LBJ and the man in front are wearing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  182. Jack D says:
    @Clyde

    LBJ was from a generation that still wore hats, though usually LBJ would be seen in a cowboy hat. His buddy JFK did a lot to put hats out of style.

    The ’60s were supposed to be the beginning of a New Age – a modern architecture that was not connected to historic style, new styles in clothing, everything. The past was past – we were going to make a fresh start not bound by any of the old rules.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  183. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Apology accepted. Fair enough.

  184. @bored identity

    Roger Scruton – perhaps the only “genius” of our age who actually is one.

  185. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Well, since you ask:

    Bush is exactly right for where he is, whom he’s with, and what he is doing. He’s merely with a bunch of politicos, all his social inferiors, so he has made no effort to be smart. Note however that his shirt cuffs are showing, which is correct, but are uneven, which is to show insouciance.
    Reagan (whom I loved) is a caricature of a prole dressed to the nines. The razor sharp handkerchief in the breast-pocket, the cuffs exactly aligned, the even stance, and, I wonder – how much of what he is wearing is artificial fibre?

    The other three have learned from their life experiences and have risen to the occasion. Poor Nixon (my favourite president during my own life-time) looks as though he has a frozen and withered left (from our perspective) shoulder. Otherwise, given what he had been through, he looks the wisest and most maturely contented of the lot.

  186. @Steve Sailer

    Brooks Brothers was for children and young adults. I still remember being taken from Palo Alto to their shop in San Francisco for my first Navy blazer around 1958. It became the obvious place to go for the sporty look (particularly for tennis and sailing, not that I engaged much in either), while serious adult dress meant engaging the services of a tailor over from London. But I soon left for Europe and the point became moot.

  187. Ola says:
    @Clyde

    Macron is not 1.77. He is considerably shorter than Swedish prime minister Stefan Lövfen who is 175 at most. Official heights are almost always inflated. Check https://www.celebheights.com/ for more accurate estimations.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  188. @Jack D

    Reinventing all the wheels at once is hard.

  189. Clyde says:
    @Ola

    Macron looks 5-7 to me.You can translate into metric.

    • Replies: @Ola
  190. Ola says:
    @Clyde

    Yes, that is 170 cm and that seems about right for Macron.

  191. Anonymous[769] • Disclaimer says:
    @Captain Tripps

    IIRC, the Nixon kids all fell ill from drinking bad milk and one of his brothers died.

  192. Anonymous[769] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harold

    In parliamentary systems it’s more important to impress your fellow politicians than the general public.

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