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From the Burlington (VT) Free Press:

Middlebury students shout down author
Nicole Higgins DeSmet , Free Press Staff Writer Published 6:09 p.m. ET March 2, 2017

Middlebury College students shouted down Libertarian political scientist and author Charles Murray as he tried to deliver a speech Thursday afternoon. …

In the lecture hall there were a series of speakers before Murray took the stage.

“I would regret it terribly if my presence here today, which is an expression of support I try to give to all my students [...] is read to be something which is not, an endorsement of Mr. Murray’s teachings and writings,” Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students …

Several groups in the audience stood as Murray began to speak. They turned their backs and spoke over him. Single voices merged into a call and response that included “Who is the enemy? White supremacy,” and “Charles Murray go away. Racist. Sexist. Anti-gay.”

Faculty observed the proceedings, but no one moved to stop the students who broke almost every rule in the college policy rule book.

Murray was moved to a private room where administrators streamed live video of his speech to a screen in the McCullough Student Center where about 100 students and faculty remained.

Following the disruption, students scattered through the building trying to find out where the broadcast was coming from.

“We believe that his views are racist. Our goal is not to give him a platform on this campus,” student Emma Ronai-Durning said before disappearing down a stairwell.

I get the sense from the fairness of this article that Burlington’s Free Press actually supports Free Speech. But who cares what some dying white America newspaper thinks?

In sharp contrast, here’s the Washington Post / AP version:

College students protest speaker branded white nationalist

Middlebury College students turn their backs to Charles Murray, unseen, who they call a white nationalist, during his lecture in Middlebury, Vt., Thursday, March 2, 2017. Hundreds of college students on Thursday protested a lecture by a speaker they call a white nationalist, forcing the college to move his talk to an undisclosed campus location from which it was live-streamed to the original venue but couldn’t be heard above protesters’ chants, feet stamping and occasional smoke alarms. (Lisa Rathke/Associated Press)

By Lisa Rathke | AP March 2 at 9:53 PM

MIDDLEBURY, Vt. — Hundreds of college students on Thursday protested a lecture by a writer some called a white nationalist, forcing the college to move his talk to an undisclosed campus location from which it was live-streamed to the original venue but couldn’t be heard above protesters’ chants, feet stamping and occasional smoke alarms.

Speaker Charles Murray wrote “The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life” and “Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010.” The Southern Poverty Law Center considers him a white nationalist who uses “racist pseudoscience and misleading statistics to argue that social inequality is caused by the genetic inferiority of the black and Latino communities, women and the poor.”

Murray hasn’t responded to an email seeking comment.

[Emphasis mine]

Okay, Charles, your hometown newspaper, Jeff Bezos’s Washington Post, just called you a “white nationalist” five times in the opening of their article.

P.S., in case you are wondering how much four years at Middlebury costs:

Screenshot 2017-03-02 21.26.19

Four years at that cost per year would be $265,328. (Of course, the odds are that the cost would go up while you are there.)

 
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  1. Barnard says:

    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don’t know much about Murray, when has he said anything anti-gay? He was telling people at CPAC to accept gay marriage and abortion in 2013.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Why is protesting so fashionable?
     
    What else do they have left to predicate their over-inflated status upon?
    , @snorlax
    Because it rhymes with "go away." They use that chant with Milo too.
    , @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don’t know much about Murray,
     
    Exactly.

    Murray's the epitome of the cuckservative. So screw Charles Murray.

    Yeah, he wrote The Bell Curve, but he has spent the 20 years since denouncing "racism" and "hate", and accusing people to his right of the same.

    And he's still treated like the resurrection of Adolf Hitler.

    This is so great!
    , @guest
    "when has he said anything anti-gay?"

    When has Trump? What did Trump ever do to blacks or Jews, for that matter? Yet they're on the Litany of Enemies, along with Aloha Snackbars, Boarder Jumpers, and Wymyn. Because they're on the same side.

    Murray's not part of the Left Gang, and homos are. Therefore, he's a homophobe, duh.

    , @King Baeksu

    Why is protesting so fashionable?
     
    Most campus SJWs are aspiring members of the priestly caste, or what Mencius Moldbug calls the Brahmin caste. If you're a college conservative, you can join a fraternity or sorority to accumulate social-status chits for future use; if you're an athlete, you can do the same by excelling in sport and winning games.

    Alternately, if you're a polyamorous degenerate or identity hustler, you can attend protests, upload evidence of your commitment to "social justice" on YouTube, Facebook or Twitter, and thereby burnish your "radical chic" street cred for later use in a competitive job market.

    "Instrumentalized morality" is the precise term for what most of these folks are really up to. It's also why they have no interest in "academic debate" as it does not help advance their primary goal of accumulating social-status chits.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    Virtue signaling.

    But Murray virtue signals too. Like David Brooks, he's signaled his preference for vibrancy:
    https://twitter.com/mksheikh/status/744909255338262528
    , @Father O'Hara
    So many girls and minorities;birdbrain's who don't belong in college.
    , @Olorin
    It's not fashionable. It's how they signal to one another, and future employers, that they have taken the football-sized blue pill at both ends.

    $265,328 is the access price tag for doing this signalling in the most highly regarded settings.

    Assuming they graduate in four years, of course. Which most don't.

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  2. Lot says:

    I have the admire the cleverness of the close: “Hey you spoiled brats, we’re going to another room where you will be locked out, enjoy a livestream here in the auditorium, tweet us your questions.”

    Everyone the left likes to shut down on campus should plan on doing the same and insist that such a contingency is in place before wasting their time going to a left-wing campus.

    The brats seem to be unable to do a synchronized reading of their statement, so it just came out as gibberish. Maybe do a trial run next time guys!

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yeah, no, it's our country or it's not.

    No heckler's veto in our country.
    , @Bill
    What? "Cowardly" is not spelled c-l-e-v-e-r.

    The students should have been arrested and prosecuted for disturbing the peace. And kicked out with no refund.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    They should have kicked out the hecklers to another room where they could boo his livestream.
    , @WR
    "Everyone the left likes to shut down on campus should plan on doing the same and insist that such a contingency is in place before wasting their time going to a left-wing campus."

    Do you know any right-wing campus?
    , @(((Owen)))

    I have the admire the cleverness of the close: “Hey you spoiled brats, we’re going to another room where you will be locked out, enjoy a livestream here in the auditorium, tweet us your questions.”

     

    The usual response to that tactic is to pull the fire alarms, or in a pinch to call in a bomb threat from a pay phone.

    If you aren't willing to arrest the rioters, you're just depending on their stupidity or lack of imagination to allow you to have any kind of life at all. If they're determined and organized and you aren't willing to beat them down and arrest them, then they own you. Period.
  3. Diversity über alles – diversity of thought being an obvious exception to the general principle.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Diversity über alles – diversity of thought being an obvious exception to the general principle."

    If you support diversity of thought than you support Adolf Hitler.
  4. “I would regret it terribly if my presence here today, which is an expression of support I try to give to all my students [...] is read to be something which is not, an endorsement of Mr. Murray’s teachings and writings,” Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students …

    Chicks don’t respect pussies, Chuck.

    You’d think that such a learned man would have picked that up somewhere along the way.

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    • Replies: @John Cunningham
    99% likely he has zrto interest in chicks, being a peter-puffer.
    , @eah
    Chicks don’t respect pussies, Chuck.

    https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/837529954707369985
    , @27 year old
    >Chicks don’t respect pussies, Chuck.
    >You’d think that such a learned man would have picked that up somewhere along the way.

    At the very least he should have picked it up from the rural blue collar neighbors he pats himself on the back for deigning to live among.

  5. @Lot
    I have the admire the cleverness of the close: "Hey you spoiled brats, we're going to another room where you will be locked out, enjoy a livestream here in the auditorium, tweet us your questions."

    Everyone the left likes to shut down on campus should plan on doing the same and insist that such a contingency is in place before wasting their time going to a left-wing campus.

    The brats seem to be unable to do a synchronized reading of their statement, so it just came out as gibberish. Maybe do a trial run next time guys!

    Yeah, no, it’s our country or it’s not.

    No heckler’s veto in our country.

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  6. Charles Murray? Trying to speak on this campus? OMG, I can’t even.

    We all need to retreat to our color-coded safe spaces, STAT.

    Not much has changed on campus since the 1980s, frankly. Then we had ‘free speech’ for lockstep liberals, and anyone and everyone else was totally silenced. Apparently this was true in the 1970s as well. Apparently it’s been true ever since ‘free speech’ came into vogue in the 1960s.

    Now, something’s wrong with what I just said, I can just feel it. But since ‘free speech’ has joined words like ‘literally’ in meaning the exact opposite of what it means, I do get confused.

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    • Replies: @guest
    I used to think the Safe Space nonsense was only found in academia, and even then as more of a joke than a permanent fixture. But I've been to a couple of trendy, hipster, gentrified areas of Minneapolis, MN lately, and It Lives. I see signs posted saying things like, "This is a Safe Space. If you are feeling threatened, come in. All are welcome." There were theaters and lotsa bars and clubs around, so presumably there were plenty of homos. But I don't imagine there are many gay bashers, unless they're Muslim.

    These areas are somewhat racially mixed, and presumably there are immigrant groups about. But where aren't they in Current Year America? Mostly they're jam-packed full of middle to upper-middle class Goodwhites. Everyone knows where the truly bad neighborhoods are. (One we call "Little Mogadishu." Others are also full of vibrancy.) I don't imagine these repopulated industrial zones and cultural centers are all that more violent than the increasingly diverse suburb in which I live.

    Apparently Goodwhites are afraid of their shadows in and out of college. I was in a seemingly normal apartment building that called the open space around the elevators a "Refuge," literally, with an emergency phone and map of escape routes out of the building. Which didn't look like your regular Fire Code thing. It reminded me of the Blue Light madness from college.

    They're such scaredy cats, and on their own turf. Those antifa guys gotta be ringers. Maybe they time-warped some roughneck leftists from the 30s.

    , @Thomas Fuller
    Agreed. Maybe the most egregious inversion of a word's meaning is 'liberal'.

    Black is white, 2+2=5, we have always been at war with Eurasia, etc., etc.

  7. JohnnyD says:

    Jeez, you would think they would at least cut Charles Murray some slack for being anti-Trump.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Jeez, you would think they would at least cut Charles Murray some slack for being anti-Trump.
     
    And having a daughter (from his first marriage to a Thai woman) who graduated from Middlebury.
    , @snorlax
    Charles Murray really and truly does not seem to get that he's a turkey voting for Christmas. If Crooked Hillary and her thousand-year migrantreich had won the election, as is his wish, he'd be lucky if they let him live.
    , @NOTA
    What an embarrassment to the college that they couldn't manage a controversial invited speaker without having it shut down by hecklers. At least they managed to have a contingency plan where they allowed him to speak on a video feed.
    , @Rod1963
    Yep, the SJW's were protesting against a Hillary supporter of all things and a man who detested the white working and middle-class and welcomed their demise.

    Well of course they didn't see that part of him, all they knew is he co-wrote the "Bell Curve" and that made him Satan incarnate to the SJW's.

    Too bad he never figured out that those whom he supported politically would be the first to eradicate him and his ideas from the face of the planet if they had gotten into power. He never got it, that the moment he co- wrote the "Bell Curve" he put a massive bulls eye on himself. I remember when the book came out, the Left went totally nuts and would have liked to put him down - 6ft down.

    Nothing he could do would make amends as far as the Left was concerned.
  8. Escher says:

    OT: Now writing about “other peoples’” food is racist.

    There is no winning with these idiots. If you ignore their cuisine, you are racist. If you don’t like it, you are racist. If you like it but take a picture of the food in a non-approved manner, you are racist.
    They are free to talk about and denigrate Western culture, but god forbid a white chef posts a video on the proper way to eat Vietnamese noodle soup.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39142260

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    • Replies: @jon

    "(His) recipe for Filipino short ribs is styled with chopsticks even though Filipinos traditionally eat with spoons and forks or their hands".
     
    Lol, pretty sure forks are cultural appropriation of our Western ways. Filipinos traditionally ate with their hands.
  9. @Barnard
    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don't know much about Murray, when has he said anything anti-gay? He was telling people at CPAC to accept gay marriage and abortion in 2013.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

    Why is protesting so fashionable?

    What else do they have left to predicate their over-inflated status upon?

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    The pussy parents need to cut off their funds, and tell them to get a damn part-time job with all the hours they waste "protesting" and threatening / initimidating speakers.

    Police -- not campus security, but heavily armed police -- should forcibly remove people interfering with anyone's speech, whatever their viewpoint. If they resist, beat them down and imprison them, charge them criminally, and keep them in prison without bond pending trial. They can explain to their African or Mexican cellmates how they too hate white people and are down with the cause.

    Watch the little snowflakes change their tune.
  10. gosh, if the Alt Right loses the preppies…

    Meanwhile on the flip side…Does anyone think that Malcolm gladwell has this problem of being shouted down during any of his public lectures?

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  11. snorlax says:
    @Barnard
    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don't know much about Murray, when has he said anything anti-gay? He was telling people at CPAC to accept gay marriage and abortion in 2013.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

    Because it rhymes with “go away.” They use that chant with Milo too.

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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyD
    Jeez, you would think they would at least cut Charles Murray some slack for being anti-Trump.

    Jeez, you would think they would at least cut Charles Murray some slack for being anti-Trump.

    And having a daughter (from his first marriage to a Thai woman) who graduated from Middlebury.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    And having a daughter (from his first marriage to a Thai woman) who graduated from Middlebury.

    Those with half-caste children are frequently in the vanguard of anti-white politics, or opposed to white nationalism. Parental investment in children is a very concrete thing. You don't get those years back again, even if your children aren't identifiable as your own.
    , @Jefferson
    "And having a daughter (from his first marriage to a Thai woman) who graduated from Middlebury."

    Gavin McInnes has a Mestiza wife and he is still labeled a White Nationalist/White Supremacist/Nazi by the Left.

    The Left throws those labels at anybody who is to the political Right of The Democratic Party. They have become extremely meaningless labels.

    99% of people who are labeled White supremacists by the Left are not literally actual White supremacists who want to bring back the Holocaust and the trans-atlantic African slave trade.

  13. snorlax says:
    @JohnnyD
    Jeez, you would think they would at least cut Charles Murray some slack for being anti-Trump.

    Charles Murray really and truly does not seem to get that he’s a turkey voting for Christmas. If Crooked Hillary and her thousand-year migrantreich had won the election, as is his wish, he’d be lucky if they let him live.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    @Snorlax,
    If Hillary won, Murray would probably be on trial for hate speech. It did shock me, though, that Murray didn't see the big picture: Hillary wanted to legalize and import millions of people who are hostile to Murray's conservatism/libertarianism.
  14. ic1000 says:

    The Cost of a Middlebury Education
    Tuition: $49,648
    Room & Board: $14,269
    Student Activity Fee: $415

    $64,332 * 4 = $257,328. Parents: getting your money’s worth of entertainment? Students?

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    • Replies: @dcthrowback
    No black person in that room paid full sticker price. In fact, I'd imagine several of them are paid pretty well to be at Middlebury.
  15. NOTA says:
    @JohnnyD
    Jeez, you would think they would at least cut Charles Murray some slack for being anti-Trump.

    What an embarrassment to the college that they couldn’t manage a controversial invited speaker without having it shut down by hecklers. At least they managed to have a contingency plan where they allowed him to speak on a video feed.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna

    What an embarrassment to the college that they couldn’t manage a controversial invited speaker without having it shut down by hecklers.
     
    Says you! Nine out of ten colleges today would (and do) see this as a badge of honour, not an embarrassment. Particularly liberal liberal-arts schools like Middlebury. It's that old 'feature, not a bug' thing.
  16. @Barnard
    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don't know much about Murray, when has he said anything anti-gay? He was telling people at CPAC to accept gay marriage and abortion in 2013.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don’t know much about Murray,

    Exactly.

    Murray’s the epitome of the cuckservative. So screw Charles Murray.

    Yeah, he wrote The Bell Curve, but he has spent the 20 years since denouncing “racism” and “hate”, and accusing people to his right of the same.

    And he’s still treated like the resurrection of Adolf Hitler.

    This is so great!

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    • Replies: @e
    I respect Murray's work but he of all people should understand why it is we needed a Trump.

    I mean, what the hell good are ideas if you can't communicate them?

    Murray = Bernie in the face of those BLM bullies taking his mic.
    , @Mr. Blank
    Murray's an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a "cuckservative" by his intellectual heirs.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners -- hence the "Midwestern nice" stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Second: His age. On some level, Murray probably believes (correctly) that the worst will all happen after he dies. He'd rather not spend his remaining time on earth brooding about the coming horrors, so he prefers to imagine that proposition nation mumble mumble American values mumble something something mumble Martin Luther King Jr. something something mumble will just magically cause it all to work out after he kicks the bucket. He's not the first old man to adopt that attitude.
    , @gregor
    I do roll my eyes when he talks about Trump's lack of decorum or heaps effusive praise on guys like Jonah Goldberg, but I think his work speaks for itself.

    The Bell Curve, Losing Ground, Human Accomplishment, and Coming Apart are all excellent. And contrary to what you suggest he's never really repudiated his most controversial material even though he's taken a lot of heat. Most conservatives have been saying that if only we injected some free market competition into the school system and broke up the teachers' unions we would see minority children blossom academically. Murray meanwhile is one of the few who's willing to say Perry Preschool and Abecedarian Project are way overhyped and unscalable, that the Pygmalion effect is bogus, etc. Those aren't easy things to argue publicly.

    The material in the Bell Curve and Human Accomplishment might often lead people toward so-called white nationalism which is why Murray gets branded with that label. But he himself doesn't actually draw those conclusions. Thinking back, I myself at one point had read the Bell Curve and found the data convincing, yet simultaneously supported high immigration because I believed it was "good for the economy."
  17. “Libertarian” = loser. I’m trying to think of anytime in human history that a “libertarian” has vanquished a communist/marxist. Nope – can’t think of it. It usually goes like this:

    Libertarian: “Free Markets, bro”
    Marxist: ” Die, racist, bourgeois pig”
    Libertarian: “Hey Bro, Not racist, Free speech, Open borders, globalization, Marx would like it”
    Marxist: Pulls out Gun. Shoots Libertarian.
    Libertarian: “Bro…”

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    • Replies: @JMcG
    I would say the Anarchist component of the leftist coalition in the Spanish Civil War correspond most closely to libertarians. There are differences of course, especially regarding property rights, but the Commies coopted whoever they could and steamrollered the rest.
  18. AKAHorace says:

    The students sound as if they are reading prayers at the start of the video. A genuflection to each
    intersectional cause.

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  19. I wish the chanters were better trained in simultaneous enunciation. At 40:10 they seem to be chanting “We are fools! We are fools!” What’s that about?

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  20. King Baeksu says: • Website

    Thought experiment: Give Middle America to Trump, leave the two coasts to Hillary.

    Emboldened by the Great Helmswoman, a new Cultural Revolution intensifies as Red Guards 2.0 run amok.

    Soon even Marxist professors in California and New York have been murdered or purged as “reactionary deviationists” by their students. Work stoppages proliferate and become the new normal.

    Economies in coastal areas begin to crater, anarchy engulfs major cities, open warfare breaks out between BLM and MS-13. “I’m With Her” and “Stronger Together” are their respective credos.

    Unhappy with the slow pace of “social transformation,” more extremist groups obtain nuclear weapons and set off atomic blasts in Los Angeles and San Francisco. The San Andreas Fault is triggered, resulting in a 9.9 magnitude quake. Soon California breaks off from the continental landmass and falls into the Pacific Ocean.

    Same process is repeated in New York City and Atlanta. Entire East Coast sinks into the Altantic.

    Meanwhile, GDP growth in Middle America reaches 7.2% per annum. With broad support of the people, it soon goes fully national socialist.

    The Wall is extended along the entire spine of the Rocky Mountains, as well as the Appalachians. Flush with a budget surplus for the first time in nearly a century, President Trump decides that gold-plated turrets all along the Wall would look pretty cool.

    America has finally been Made Great Again. And in a heart-warming coda, it is learned that famed nationalist blogger Steve Sailer was rescued by Air Force One at the last minute, and now blogs from a secure location in scenic Leadville, Colorado.

    Sounds pretty good to me!

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Except that Middlebury is in the western half of Vermont, so it's technically west of the Appalachians.
    , @Daniel H
    >>Thought experiment: Give Middle America to Trump, leave the two coasts to Hillary.

    No effn way. I like the coasts. Just lock them up in urban pens: LA, San Francisco, New York, Boston and DC. That's enough room for all the leftists in the country.
    , @Seneca44
    You forgot that the coastal people all starved because they need the middle Americans to grow their food.
  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/01/moral-outrage-is-self-serving

    When people publicly rage about perceived injustices that don’t affect them personally, we tend to assume this expression is rooted in altruism—a “disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others.” But new research suggests that professing such third-party concern—what social scientists refer to as “moral outrage”—is often a function of self-interest, wielded to assuage feelings of personal culpability for societal harms or reinforce (to the self and others) one’s own status as a Very Good Person.

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  22. newrouter says:

    “II

    LET US now imagine that one day something in our greengrocer snaps and he stops putting up the slogans merely to ingratiate himself. He stops voting in elections he knows are a farce. He begins to say what he really thinks at political meetings. And he even finds the strength in himself to express solidarity with those whom his conscience commands him to support. In this revolt the greengrocer steps out of living within the lie. He rejects the ritual and breaks the rules of the game. He discovers once more his suppressed identity and dignity. He gives his freedom a concrete significance. His revolt is an attempt to live within the truth.

    The bill is not long in coming. He will be relieved of his post as manager of the shop and transferred to the warehouse. ”

    http://www.vaclavhavel.cz/showtrans.php?cat=eseje&val=2_aj_eseje.html&typ=HTML

    Sex Pistols – Holidays In The Sun

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  23. ic1000 says:

    The children of Belmont don’t want to hear about the woes of Fishtown.

    Unrelated: 50″ base at the top of the mountain, temperatures in the teens, so dress warmly!

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  24. timothy says:

    I like that they need to throw “anti-gay” at the gay-marriage-supporting Murray in order to make “go away” rhyme.

    But it makes sense. At the modern university, logically coherent theory is tired. Social justice praxis is wired.

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  25. Anonym says:
    @Anonymous

    Jeez, you would think they would at least cut Charles Murray some slack for being anti-Trump.
     
    And having a daughter (from his first marriage to a Thai woman) who graduated from Middlebury.

    And having a daughter (from his first marriage to a Thai woman) who graduated from Middlebury.

    Those with half-caste children are frequently in the vanguard of anti-white politics, or opposed to white nationalism. Parental investment in children is a very concrete thing. You don’t get those years back again, even if your children aren’t identifiable as your own.

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  26. If I remember correctly, Dr. Murray has argued that < 20% of our population has the brains to make proper use of college.

    That video is evidence that he is correct. Those morons don't belong there. (And college isn't what it used to be, as he also has explained.)

    Everywhere we look today, organized masses of indoctrinated idiots are shouting down science. It's a modern version of what the church did to Galileo.

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    • Agree: Anonym
    • Replies: @timothy
    eppur si moron
    , @NickG

    Dr. Murray has argued that < 20% of our population has the brains to make proper use of college.
     
    Assuming a population average IQ of 100, with a standard deviation of 15 - which is pretty much the white population's IQ profile - the top 20% would pan out to an IQ of at least around 113. Which is not especially sharp, but bright enough to assimilate much on offer in today's tertiary education environment.

    Assuming a population average IQ 85 - the average for US Blacks, also assuming a SD of 15 (actually for blacks it's a tad less) only of 3% of American Blacks would make the cut as having 'the brains to make proper use of college'.

  27. JohnnyD says:
    @snorlax
    Charles Murray really and truly does not seem to get that he's a turkey voting for Christmas. If Crooked Hillary and her thousand-year migrantreich had won the election, as is his wish, he'd be lucky if they let him live.

    @Snorlax,
    If Hillary won, Murray would probably be on trial for hate speech. It did shock me, though, that Murray didn’t see the big picture: Hillary wanted to legalize and import millions of people who are hostile to Murray’s conservatism/libertarianism.

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    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    Hillary wanted to legalize and import millions of people who are hostile to Murray’s conservatism/libertarianism.

    Huge numbers of libertarians seem fundamentally unable to get this. It's like banging your head against a brick wall at Reason.com . There is simply no way you can maintain a libertarian polity while importing collectivists as fast as you possibly can.

    Libertarianism is great, but one of the essential functions of the "night watchman" state libertarians support is to protect the state from invaders. It's naive in the modern world to think that all invaders come with tanks and guns and announce that they're invading.

    , @Frau Katze
    I think Murray is tired of being the co-author of The Bell Curve. He's an unperson now, and he hates it. The elite crowd freezes him out. Not invited to the cool parties.

    Sure, he was against Trump, in a desperate attempt to shed his pariah status.

    It won't work of course. There's no way back for him.

    I'd admire him a lot more if he stuck to his principles.

    But then he'd have no better gig than writing a blog like our host.
  28. timothy says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    If I remember correctly, Dr. Murray has argued that < 20% of our population has the brains to make proper use of college.

    That video is evidence that he is correct. Those morons don't belong there. (And college isn't what it used to be, as he also has explained.)

    Everywhere we look today, organized masses of indoctrinated idiots are shouting down science. It's a modern version of what the church did to Galileo.

    eppur si moron

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  29. newrouter says:

    Kate Bush Cloudbusting

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    Kate Bush Cloudbusting
     
    Donald Sutherland as Wilhelm Reich. I could never quite figure that out...
  30. @NOTA
    What an embarrassment to the college that they couldn't manage a controversial invited speaker without having it shut down by hecklers. At least they managed to have a contingency plan where they allowed him to speak on a video feed.

    What an embarrassment to the college that they couldn’t manage a controversial invited speaker without having it shut down by hecklers.

    Says you! Nine out of ten colleges today would (and do) see this as a badge of honour, not an embarrassment. Particularly liberal liberal-arts schools like Middlebury. It’s that old ‘feature, not a bug’ thing.

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    Cut off their federal funds, and prohibit the use of fed student loans to attend there, and see how proud and defiant they are.
  31. eah says:

    Actually not long ago he was regularly bashing Trump on twitter.com, as I remember — does anyone else recall that? — I guess I could confirm it by scrolling down long enough — look what it got him.

    I smell a potential future ‘Watsoning’…

    …Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students…

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what.

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    …Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students…

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what.
     

    There aren't any women characters in the dialogues of Plato, that's for sure.
    , @Desiderius

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what.
     
    She's not a coward; she's kicking Murray's ass for instance.

    She's just playing for the other team.
    , @ThreeCranes
    "Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what."

    To what are you referring?

    , @Corvinus
    "Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what."

    Obviously, your mother didn't teach you manners. A product of your environment?
  32. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/01/moral-outrage-is-self-serving&#8221;

    “Moral Outrage Is Self-Serving, Say Psychologists: Perpetually raging about the world’s injustices? You’re probably overcompensating.”, Elizabeth Nolan Brown, Reason.com, Mar. 1, 2017:

    “…new research suggests that professing such third-party concern—what social scientists refer to as “moral outrage”—is often a function of self-interest, wielded to assuage feelings of personal culpability for societal harms or reinforce (to the self and others) one’s own status as a Very Good Person.

    …Triggering feelings of personal culpability for a problem increases moral outrage at a third-party target…

    …The more guilt over one’s own potential complicity, the more desire “to punish a third-party through increased moral outrage at that target.”…

    …Having the opportunity to express outrage at a third-party decreased guilt in people threatened through “ingroup immorality.”…

    …”consistent with recent research showing that outgroup-directed moral outrage can be elicited in response to perceived threats to the ingroup’s moral status,” …”

    “A cleansing fire: Moral outrage alleviates guilt and buffers threats to one’s moral identity”, Zachary K. Rothschild and Lucas A. Keefer, Motivation and Emotion, 2017, pp 1–21:

    Abstract:

    “Why do people express moral outrage? While this sentiment often stems from a perceived violation of some moral principle, we test the counter-intuitive possibility that moral outrage at third-party transgressions is sometimes a means of reducing guilt over one’s own moral failings and restoring a moral identity. We tested this guilt-driven account of outrage in five studies examining outrage at corporate labor exploitation and environmental destruction. Study 1 showed that personal guilt uniquely predicted moral outrage at corporate harm-doing and support for retributive punishment. Ingroup (vs. outgroup) wrongdoing elicited outrage at corporations through increased guilt, while the opportunity to express outrage reduced guilt (Study 2) and restored perceived personal morality (Study 3). Study 4 tested whether effects were due merely to downward social comparison and Study 5 showed that guilt-driven outrage was attenuated by an affirmation of moral identity in an unrelated context.”

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  33. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Middlebury is strong in liberal arts and foreign languages. It’s well known for its intensive foreign language programs.

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    A Vermont governor (I don't remember which one, but he was a Republican) graduated from Middlebury and majored in Russian. The Barron's 501 Russian Verb book was edited by Thomas Beyer, Jr., a professor at Middlebury College. But that's an awful lot of money to learn Russian. I'll bet Moscow State University is less expensive and you get Russian immersion!
    , @Twinkie

    It’s well known for its intensive foreign language programs.
     
    It's probably the best intensive (total immersion) foreign language program available to civilians.

    Indeed since 2010 Middlebury has also run the Monterey Institute of Foreign Studies in Monterey, CA about a mile from DLIFLC (Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center).
  34. Jefferson says:
    @Richard of Melbourne
    Diversity über alles - diversity of thought being an obvious exception to the general principle.

    “Diversity über alles – diversity of thought being an obvious exception to the general principle.”

    If you support diversity of thought than you support Adolf Hitler.

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  35. Whatever the reality of the situation, the left designates certain people (usually bad-whites, can’t think of too many bad-blacks or bad-browns) as cultural villains to be forever after harassed and shamed. Murray earned that status for the universally deplored Bell Curve. Hence, subsequent nuances of opinions and stances aside, he is to be hounded until the end of time, even by students at Middlebury who probably have never read a word of what he has actually written. For this their parents are shelling out $200K for a college education. Sad.

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  36. Twinkie says:

    Did you all not see the LinkedIn link to the head protestess to which Mr. Sailer linked?

    Here it is, again: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-ronai-durning-15b65b45

    She went to a prep school near Portland, previously led “Divest Middlebury,” and is now a peon at Yu Foundation (was also a “farmers market vendor” and a “ski instructor”).

    Her future is bright, indeed, as a prospective Guangzhou candidate.*

    Previously known as “The Manchurian Candidate” for those of you not old enough to have read the book or seen the original film.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    At Middlebury, Emma Ronai-Durning is involved with the group Wonderbread:White Students for Racial Justice, which is the organization that opposed Charles Murray.

    https://middleburycampus.com/article/white-students-for-racial-justice-oppose-charles-murray/

    Also, check out Middlebury's unattractive website. Picturesque colleges and universities used to feature photos of their beautiful campuses on their website homepages. Nowadays, they all seem to favor homepages that are very generic-looking and could be from any college with any campus. I don't understand why they've made this transition. I find them very uninspiring.
    , @jon
    Given that a LinkedIn profile is essentially a publicly accessible CV, you would think she would proofread the damn thing.

    Also, as others have pointed out, she is the bastard child of the SWPL website and the Portlandia TV show. If you wrote here as a character, people would say tone it down.
  37. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Ronai-Durning’s CV has to be among the SWPLiest ever posted on LinkedIn. It looks like a caricature.

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    Ronai-Durning’s CV has to be among the SWPLiest ever posted on LinkedIn. It looks like a caricature.
     
    Pure Portlandia.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    She's cuter than most SJWs. I wonder if she ever shuts up.
  38. “Charles Murray go away. Racist. Sexist. Anti-gay.”

    I believe that one of the reasons your cause is losing (no offense) is your side’s propensity to laugh at this labels, rather than contest them.

    Racism is only bad if you’re on the losing side, ergo the contest ought to be in trying not to lose.

    Being unsexist? confers no known benefits, we owe those famous “sexists”, Ancient Greece, Rome, Victorian Britain, Prussia and 40s-60s America an unpayble debt.

    Anti-gay, what does that even mean??? Are anti-gay people aborting gay foetuses, murdering gays in their sleep??? Anti-gay can mean anything!

    They deliberately make their assertions as wide as possible. You guys ought to try getting them to commit or else their linguistic assaults will keep bleeding your support.

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    • Replies: @Barnabas
    The opposite is true. Conservatives, and Murray as much as anyone, have been "contesting" these labels for far too long. Not a racist? How far are you willing to go to prove it? When internet trolls start laughing about the holocaust they are refusing to play this game. Is that a winning strategy? I don't know but I'm not going to keep being so easily manipulated with these labels.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    In a room full of shouting people who won't shut up, nothing can be heard, not even the truth.

    It doesn't matter what labels and words those useless idiots were shouting. Their objective was to prevent the truth from being heard. They were successful. They could just as well have been yelling "yada yada yada, la la la, hey hey hey."

    The only thing we need to do is identify what is really going on, as I just did above, and find alternative ways to communicate. The Left and the Powers That Be are now controlling many places of public speech. (Well, really they have for a long time; it's just that now they have to shout and bring anarchy in order to hold onto the control they already have.)

    Don't bother getting into arguments with them. They will be perfectly happy if you waste your (our) time doing that. You should not care if they call us Martians or cat-eaters or accuse us of eating our own belly button lint. It's all fake and pointless noise designed to drown us out.
  39. e says:
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don’t know much about Murray,
     
    Exactly.

    Murray's the epitome of the cuckservative. So screw Charles Murray.

    Yeah, he wrote The Bell Curve, but he has spent the 20 years since denouncing "racism" and "hate", and accusing people to his right of the same.

    And he's still treated like the resurrection of Adolf Hitler.

    This is so great!

    I respect Murray’s work but he of all people should understand why it is we needed a Trump.

    I mean, what the hell good are ideas if you can’t communicate them?

    Murray = Bernie in the face of those BLM bullies taking his mic.

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    The media has been on Japan's case over this for decades, nothing new. It grates them that there is a successful, modern state that is openly ethnically chauvinistic. Now with China rising they are really stepping up the lack of diversity arguments.

    They're losing the plot here, maybe they'll get a respite if Macron wins in France. It seems they're pulling out all the stops to eliminate Fillon to make it happen.
  41. @JohnnyD
    @Snorlax,
    If Hillary won, Murray would probably be on trial for hate speech. It did shock me, though, that Murray didn't see the big picture: Hillary wanted to legalize and import millions of people who are hostile to Murray's conservatism/libertarianism.

    Hillary wanted to legalize and import millions of people who are hostile to Murray’s conservatism/libertarianism.

    Huge numbers of libertarians seem fundamentally unable to get this. It’s like banging your head against a brick wall at Reason.com . There is simply no way you can maintain a libertarian polity while importing collectivists as fast as you possibly can.

    Libertarianism is great, but one of the essential functions of the “night watchman” state libertarians support is to protect the state from invaders. It’s naive in the modern world to think that all invaders come with tanks and guns and announce that they’re invading.

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  42. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @King Baeksu
    Thought experiment: Give Middle America to Trump, leave the two coasts to Hillary.

    Emboldened by the Great Helmswoman, a new Cultural Revolution intensifies as Red Guards 2.0 run amok.

    Soon even Marxist professors in California and New York have been murdered or purged as "reactionary deviationists" by their students. Work stoppages proliferate and become the new normal.

    Economies in coastal areas begin to crater, anarchy engulfs major cities, open warfare breaks out between BLM and MS-13. "I'm With Her" and "Stronger Together" are their respective credos.

    Unhappy with the slow pace of "social transformation," more extremist groups obtain nuclear weapons and set off atomic blasts in Los Angeles and San Francisco. The San Andreas Fault is triggered, resulting in a 9.9 magnitude quake. Soon California breaks off from the continental landmass and falls into the Pacific Ocean.

    Same process is repeated in New York City and Atlanta. Entire East Coast sinks into the Altantic.

    Meanwhile, GDP growth in Middle America reaches 7.2% per annum. With broad support of the people, it soon goes fully national socialist.

    The Wall is extended along the entire spine of the Rocky Mountains, as well as the Appalachians. Flush with a budget surplus for the first time in nearly a century, President Trump decides that gold-plated turrets all along the Wall would look pretty cool.

    America has finally been Made Great Again. And in a heart-warming coda, it is learned that famed nationalist blogger Steve Sailer was rescued by Air Force One at the last minute, and now blogs from a secure location in scenic Leadville, Colorado.

    Sounds pretty good to me!

    Except that Middlebury is in the western half of Vermont, so it’s technically west of the Appalachians.

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  43. @newrouter
    Kate Bush Cloudbusting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRHA9W-zExQ

    Kate Bush Cloudbusting

    Donald Sutherland as Wilhelm Reich. I could never quite figure that out…

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  44. Mr. Blank says:
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don’t know much about Murray,
     
    Exactly.

    Murray's the epitome of the cuckservative. So screw Charles Murray.

    Yeah, he wrote The Bell Curve, but he has spent the 20 years since denouncing "racism" and "hate", and accusing people to his right of the same.

    And he's still treated like the resurrection of Adolf Hitler.

    This is so great!

    Murray’s an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a “cuckservative” by his intellectual heirs.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners — hence the “Midwestern nice” stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Second: His age. On some level, Murray probably believes (correctly) that the worst will all happen after he dies. He’d rather not spend his remaining time on earth brooding about the coming horrors, so he prefers to imagine that proposition nation mumble mumble American values mumble something something mumble Martin Luther King Jr. something something mumble will just magically cause it all to work out after he kicks the bucket. He’s not the first old man to adopt that attitude.

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    I wonder if he gets any income from AEI. Do fellows at think tanks get paid? I'm assuming that AEI would have severed ties with him if he supported Trump. Also, he could have absorbed some of AEI's view of the world while hanging around there. And these two motivations, selfishness and group think, could be hard to untangle from each other.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I'm from Charles Murray's hometown, Newton, Iowa (his mother knew my mother and my parents remembered him as a very good high school debater). Your comments about Midwest nice is precisely on point, and I think John Derbyshire has made the same observation. Murray is about 74 and probably not inclined to change his views, at least not very much. But Charles Murray does have children and he's smart enough to know that there's a storm coming.
    , @PhysicistDave
    Mr. Blank says:

    Murray’s an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a “cuckservative” by his intellectual heirs.
     
    I've read his Coming Apart and some of his other writings. He is not really "libertarian," "alt-right," etc. His actual policy positions are pretty centrist.

    What gets him in trouble is that he is smart, curious, and notices things. So, he starts musing about interesting or perplexing things, notices a few things we are supposed not to notice, and, pretty soon, the Left is denouncing him as Hitlerian.

    Of course, Trump's actual positions are pretty centrist, too. In many ways, Trump's positions are a bit to the left of Jack Kennedy's.

    Note: I am not endorsing either Murray's or Trump's views: I am personally a Thoreauist.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento
    , @Bill B.
    I wonder if Murray should have run with the ball more after The Bell Curve noticed that life will increasingly favour the genetically blessed. (A companion volume might be the classic The Rise of the Meritocracy by Michael Young.)

    I haven't followed Murray's career closely but perhaps he could have become more of an activist for the rights of the - for once correctly used word - naturally underprivileged, perhaps appealing even to people who are agnostic on the bell curve?

    But this is now very difficult because the progressives have pushed the equal outcomes demand past the point where old euphemisms and understandings that were used to explain noblesse oblige and the need for community cohesion no longer function well.

    Instead Murray is being anathematized not for noticing the poignant realities of life but as a monster with his boot on the head of mankind.
    , @Paco Wové
    "This is a thing with Midwesterners — hence the “Midwestern nice” stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody."

    As an outsider living in Iowa, I can confirm. It is (or was) like a little corn-fed Scandinavia, with all the strengths and weaknesses that implies.
    , @Desiderius

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners — hence the “Midwestern nice” stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.
     
    Not everybody. Not Trump and Trump supporters, for instance.

    I think you're projecting your own good intentions onto him/them.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Murray’s an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right,....."

    No, not really. Certainly not "The" Godfather.
  45. David says:

    Vermont Public Radio aired a bit on this a few days ago.

    Murray has correlated intelligence with race, and made other arguments that have been debunked by peers in the social sciences.

    “I think he’s more of a scientific racist, pseudo-scientist rather than a straight up political scientist,” Professor Mike Sheridan, chair of Middlebury’s Sociology and Anthropology Department, told Vermont Edition on Monday.

    Listen to Mike Sheridan explain his opposition to Murray starting at 1:50, it’s painfully stupid:

    http://digital.vpr.net/post/controversial-speaker-spurs-debate-middlebury-college#stream/0

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  46. @Anonymous
    Middlebury is strong in liberal arts and foreign languages. It's well known for its intensive foreign language programs.

    A Vermont governor (I don’t remember which one, but he was a Republican) graduated from Middlebury and majored in Russian. The Barron’s 501 Russian Verb book was edited by Thomas Beyer, Jr., a professor at Middlebury College. But that’s an awful lot of money to learn Russian. I’ll bet Moscow State University is less expensive and you get Russian immersion!

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  47. Whiskey says: • Website

    Murray is a lost cause. Too interested in being “nice” to survive. Really, its only a matter of time before some angry BLM type or what have you assassinates him. And it reflects the fury of the GoodWhites; that nothing, no action, no genuflection, no groveling abasement will wash the stain of BadWhiteness away.

    So from this we can figure a number of things. First, if you are a young or youngish White man, there is no advantage for you in being on the Left. Saving gays of course which are 59% of the population. Oh wait that’s Hollywood. More like 4% at most of the population. If that. Any straight White male not born to privilege is going to be a BadWhite; and act truculent and amp up the dominance to deter attacks — side benefit more and better chicks.

    Second, the leadership cadre of the GoodWhites is basically angry, stupid White women, and various non-Whites. This is a more natural fit than you might thing. Like Stanley Anne Dunham, those 95% of women not the top most beautiful have no hope of landing the Tom Brady Alpha of their dreams who had a ONS with them. So they become angry/bitter Alpha Widows, venting their real anger on the 90% of White men who are not the top Alphas for … not being Top Alphas who commit to her. And side reflexively with non-Whites over White males.

    This is the dynamic of Anti-White sentiment and what drives GoodWhites against BadWhites. It is the unfettered sexual free market which makes beta males worthless and inflates false hopes in the average women who just is not hot and young enough to keep an Alpha male.

    Thirdly, the leadership cadre being angry emotional White women who know very well the reason they could not keep that Alpha — lack of total beauty; and various inflated self-worth non-Whites, they are not very smart. Barack Obama, engaged in his Raila Odinga like campaign to unseat Trump so says Drudge/Daily Mail, is a good example. These people are just stupid enough to provoke a HOT CIVIL WAR from the Cold one.

    After Murray, then what? Rage against random BadWhite men? Start chasing them down in the street when many are armed? “Paul Kersey” from SBDL has written that it will take one bad decision by a BLM type to kick off the Hot Civil War; my view is that stupid White women filled with sexual/racial grievances over just not being pretty enough will be egging on the violence that like Lawrence Kansas and Harper’s Ferry kicks off the start of the Hot Civil War.

    There is no true endgame thought out here because the leaders are just stupid.

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  48. guest says:

    This just in: the Global Center for Guest Jokes has determined former president Obama to be a “Blerdish*, Satanic baby-eater.” Obama hasn’t responded to the email I never sent informing him.

    *”Blerd” = “black nerd.” Obama is a halfsie, so technically we should call him a semi-blerd.

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  49. Glossy says: • Website
    @Mr. Blank
    Murray's an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a "cuckservative" by his intellectual heirs.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners -- hence the "Midwestern nice" stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Second: His age. On some level, Murray probably believes (correctly) that the worst will all happen after he dies. He'd rather not spend his remaining time on earth brooding about the coming horrors, so he prefers to imagine that proposition nation mumble mumble American values mumble something something mumble Martin Luther King Jr. something something mumble will just magically cause it all to work out after he kicks the bucket. He's not the first old man to adopt that attitude.

    I wonder if he gets any income from AEI. Do fellows at think tanks get paid? I’m assuming that AEI would have severed ties with him if he supported Trump. Also, he could have absorbed some of AEI’s view of the world while hanging around there. And these two motivations, selfishness and group think, could be hard to untangle from each other.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't think it's that complicated. Why do we always feel the need to ascribe ideology to monetary motives when a person's own background and states beliefs are more than sufficient to explain it?

    Charles Murray has produced excellent work at the intersection of sociology and psychometrics, but otherwise he is a classic conservative of his generation - he supported the Iraq War, thinks AGW is a scam, is on good terms with all the people at the National Review, became supportive of gay marriage sometime around 2015 along with the rest of Conservatism Inc., hostile to Putin and Russia, I recall he even supported a NFZ in Syria.
  50. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous
    Middlebury is strong in liberal arts and foreign languages. It's well known for its intensive foreign language programs.

    It’s well known for its intensive foreign language programs.

    It’s probably the best intensive (total immersion) foreign language program available to civilians.

    Indeed since 2010 Middlebury has also run the Monterey Institute of Foreign Studies in Monterey, CA about a mile from DLIFLC (Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center).

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    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>It’s probably the best intensive (total immersion) foreign language program available to civilians.

    And it's still probably a waste of time and money. For 99% of us, the only way to learn a foreign language is to get stranded in some foreign locale where one is compelled to learn the local idiom for survival. If there are any still out there, maybe some rural outback where the internet has not yet penetrated would do.
  51. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous
    Ronai-Durning's CV has to be among the SWPLiest ever posted on LinkedIn. It looks like a caricature.

    Ronai-Durning’s CV has to be among the SWPLiest ever posted on LinkedIn. It looks like a caricature.

    Pure Portlandia.

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  52. guest says:
    @Barnard
    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don't know much about Murray, when has he said anything anti-gay? He was telling people at CPAC to accept gay marriage and abortion in 2013.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

    “when has he said anything anti-gay?”

    When has Trump? What did Trump ever do to blacks or Jews, for that matter? Yet they’re on the Litany of Enemies, along with Aloha Snackbars, Boarder Jumpers, and Wymyn. Because they’re on the same side.

    Murray’s not part of the Left Gang, and homos are. Therefore, he’s a homophobe, duh.

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  53. @Mr. Blank
    Murray's an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a "cuckservative" by his intellectual heirs.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners -- hence the "Midwestern nice" stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Second: His age. On some level, Murray probably believes (correctly) that the worst will all happen after he dies. He'd rather not spend his remaining time on earth brooding about the coming horrors, so he prefers to imagine that proposition nation mumble mumble American values mumble something something mumble Martin Luther King Jr. something something mumble will just magically cause it all to work out after he kicks the bucket. He's not the first old man to adopt that attitude.

    I’m from Charles Murray’s hometown, Newton, Iowa (his mother knew my mother and my parents remembered him as a very good high school debater). Your comments about Midwest nice is precisely on point, and I think John Derbyshire has made the same observation. Murray is about 74 and probably not inclined to change his views, at least not very much. But Charles Murray does have children and he’s smart enough to know that there’s a storm coming.

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  54. @Desiderius

    “I would regret it terribly if my presence here today, which is an expression of support I try to give to all my students [...] is read to be something which is not, an endorsement of Mr. Murray’s teachings and writings,” Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students …
     
    Chicks don't respect pussies, Chuck.

    You'd think that such a learned man would have picked that up somewhere along the way.

    99% likely he has zrto interest in chicks, being a peter-puffer.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    He has a very ardent interest in the President of Middlebury College, just not an amorous one.

    She's not so enamored of him.
  55. Polynices says:

    I grew up on that campus (my dad was a professor) and back then it was said that Middlebury was for rich kids who weren’t bright enough to attend an Ivy. I’d be shocked if that’s changed. Pretty campus, though.

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    • Replies: @Ganderson
    Middlebury is Ivy League difficult to get into. It also has a very good DIII athletic profile- its men's hockey and lax teams are consistently in the top ten. My son plays lacrosse at a Middlebury-like place in Wisconsin (nowhere near as selective though) He notes there's a huge divide between the athletes and what they call the NARPS (non athletic regular people). My guess there weren't many lax bros among the protesters.
  56. Daniel H says:
    @King Baeksu
    Thought experiment: Give Middle America to Trump, leave the two coasts to Hillary.

    Emboldened by the Great Helmswoman, a new Cultural Revolution intensifies as Red Guards 2.0 run amok.

    Soon even Marxist professors in California and New York have been murdered or purged as "reactionary deviationists" by their students. Work stoppages proliferate and become the new normal.

    Economies in coastal areas begin to crater, anarchy engulfs major cities, open warfare breaks out between BLM and MS-13. "I'm With Her" and "Stronger Together" are their respective credos.

    Unhappy with the slow pace of "social transformation," more extremist groups obtain nuclear weapons and set off atomic blasts in Los Angeles and San Francisco. The San Andreas Fault is triggered, resulting in a 9.9 magnitude quake. Soon California breaks off from the continental landmass and falls into the Pacific Ocean.

    Same process is repeated in New York City and Atlanta. Entire East Coast sinks into the Altantic.

    Meanwhile, GDP growth in Middle America reaches 7.2% per annum. With broad support of the people, it soon goes fully national socialist.

    The Wall is extended along the entire spine of the Rocky Mountains, as well as the Appalachians. Flush with a budget surplus for the first time in nearly a century, President Trump decides that gold-plated turrets all along the Wall would look pretty cool.

    America has finally been Made Great Again. And in a heart-warming coda, it is learned that famed nationalist blogger Steve Sailer was rescued by Air Force One at the last minute, and now blogs from a secure location in scenic Leadville, Colorado.

    Sounds pretty good to me!

    >>Thought experiment: Give Middle America to Trump, leave the two coasts to Hillary.

    No effn way. I like the coasts. Just lock them up in urban pens: LA, San Francisco, New York, Boston and DC. That’s enough room for all the leftists in the country.

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    Build a wall around LA, and make the leftists pay for it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJpznMaZ85c
    , @Charles Pewitt
    Whitey who came to this land by sail power will never give up the coasts to the unholy hordes. Put the invasive ones and their anti-sovereignty White collaborators on barges until such time as preparations have been made for mass expulsions and mass deportations.
  57. Daniel H says:
    @Twinkie

    It’s well known for its intensive foreign language programs.
     
    It's probably the best intensive (total immersion) foreign language program available to civilians.

    Indeed since 2010 Middlebury has also run the Monterey Institute of Foreign Studies in Monterey, CA about a mile from DLIFLC (Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center).

    >>It’s probably the best intensive (total immersion) foreign language program available to civilians.

    And it’s still probably a waste of time and money. For 99% of us, the only way to learn a foreign language is to get stranded in some foreign locale where one is compelled to learn the local idiom for survival. If there are any still out there, maybe some rural outback where the internet has not yet penetrated would do.

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    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    I can't speak to Middlebury, but DLI-FLC does a stellar job of language training.
    , @Twinkie

    And it’s still probably a waste of time and money.
     
    For you, maybe... with that kind of attitude.*

    For 99% of us, the only way to learn a foreign language is to get stranded in some foreign locale where one is compelled to learn the local idiom for survival.
     
    Middlebury's summer program *is* total immersion. You are not allowed to use English (back a couple of decades ago, you were allowed two lapses and then you were out). It won't make you fluent in a couple of months, but it is easily the equivalent of learning a foreign language in a typical American classroom setting for 2-3 years.

    If there are any still out there, maybe some rural outback where the internet has not yet penetrated would do.
     
    Skype is FANTASTIC for learning and maintaining language proficiency. I use it. My children use it. We are multilingual.

    *I know Americans who lived overseas for several years who never picked up the local languages. If you don't try, nothing can help you. Not even total immersion.
  58. guest says:
    @Kyle McKenna

    Charles Murray? Trying to speak on this campus? OMG, I can't even.

    We all need to retreat to our color-coded safe spaces, STAT.
     

    Not much has changed on campus since the 1980s, frankly. Then we had 'free speech' for lockstep liberals, and anyone and everyone else was totally silenced. Apparently this was true in the 1970s as well. Apparently it's been true ever since 'free speech' came into vogue in the 1960s.

    Now, something's wrong with what I just said, I can just feel it. But since 'free speech' has joined words like 'literally' in meaning the exact opposite of what it means, I do get confused.

    I used to think the Safe Space nonsense was only found in academia, and even then as more of a joke than a permanent fixture. But I’ve been to a couple of trendy, hipster, gentrified areas of Minneapolis, MN lately, and It Lives. I see signs posted saying things like, “This is a Safe Space. If you are feeling threatened, come in. All are welcome.” There were theaters and lotsa bars and clubs around, so presumably there were plenty of homos. But I don’t imagine there are many gay bashers, unless they’re Muslim.

    These areas are somewhat racially mixed, and presumably there are immigrant groups about. But where aren’t they in Current Year America? Mostly they’re jam-packed full of middle to upper-middle class Goodwhites. Everyone knows where the truly bad neighborhoods are. (One we call “Little Mogadishu.” Others are also full of vibrancy.) I don’t imagine these repopulated industrial zones and cultural centers are all that more violent than the increasingly diverse suburb in which I live.

    Apparently Goodwhites are afraid of their shadows in and out of college. I was in a seemingly normal apartment building that called the open space around the elevators a “Refuge,” literally, with an emergency phone and map of escape routes out of the building. Which didn’t look like your regular Fire Code thing. It reminded me of the Blue Light madness from college.

    They’re such scaredy cats, and on their own turf. Those antifa guys gotta be ringers. Maybe they time-warped some roughneck leftists from the 30s.

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  59. Rod1963 says:
    @JohnnyD
    Jeez, you would think they would at least cut Charles Murray some slack for being anti-Trump.

    Yep, the SJW’s were protesting against a Hillary supporter of all things and a man who detested the white working and middle-class and welcomed their demise.

    Well of course they didn’t see that part of him, all they knew is he co-wrote the “Bell Curve” and that made him Satan incarnate to the SJW’s.

    Too bad he never figured out that those whom he supported politically would be the first to eradicate him and his ideas from the face of the planet if they had gotten into power. He never got it, that the moment he co- wrote the “Bell Curve” he put a massive bulls eye on himself. I remember when the book came out, the Left went totally nuts and would have liked to put him down – 6ft down.

    Nothing he could do would make amends as far as the Left was concerned.

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    People forget what the world was like when the Bell Curve came out. I want to say that was, like, '94? The early days of the mass internet. Nowadays every Tom, Dick, and Harry can get thousands of eyeballs on their rants with the push of a button. Then, the Race Unrealists had a stranglehold on the Megaphone. You could self-publish or get a small publisher, but the media would black you out. Silence kills the spread of ideas.

    Not to say there weren't breakthroughs. Because race was too obvious to be completely ignored. There was sensationalistic stuff like The Turner Diaries, which I think started in a 'Zine. I might guess the Megaphone gave it a little notoriety because they need examples of "white nationalism" with which to scare people. Or there were books like The Dispossessed Majority, which was more respectable but too hot for the mainstream. My copy has anonymous quotes on the back from supposedly important people who couldn't come out in support of it publicly.

    Bell Curve, on the other hand, was intellectually respectable, not written by weirdos or nutcases, and managed to get wide press. Not that this part was publicized, but it wasn't much about race, either. So it wasn't full of axe-grinding corner-cutting, and question-begging in support of a "racist" message. Race was in there, but it was more incidental. Mostly it was a boring social science book.

    How and why did it break through to public consciousness? Why was that allowed to happen? I don't know. Maybe someone thought it was example-making time. But they screwed up, because the usual Intimations of Hitler ploy didn't take. They were able to associate the book and its authors with crimethink, at least with enough of the audience, but they also managed to leave "racism" more plausible than it has previously seemed.

    That's why the lingering resentment of Murray, I think. Because they feel they shouldn't even be talking about the guy. He shouldn't have ever existed; that debate was closed. This, despite the fact that lefties repeatedly say things as "racist" as he, and the fact that Murray has done decades of penance with boilerplate equality-speak.

    He was an "objective ally" of white nationalism, as Lenin might have said. And he actually is on the other side, though not the white nationalist side, given that he's a squishy-con/libertarian friend of Conservatism Inc.

  60. Rob McX says:

    “Charles Murray go away. Racist. Sexist. Anti-gay.”

    That’s one difference I’ve noticed between alt-right and left-wing protesters – with the latter, every slogan has to have the tidy rhyme and scansion of a kindergarten song.

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  61. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @Barnard
    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don't know much about Murray, when has he said anything anti-gay? He was telling people at CPAC to accept gay marriage and abortion in 2013.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

    Why is protesting so fashionable?

    Most campus SJWs are aspiring members of the priestly caste, or what Mencius Moldbug calls the Brahmin caste. If you’re a college conservative, you can join a fraternity or sorority to accumulate social-status chits for future use; if you’re an athlete, you can do the same by excelling in sport and winning games.

    Alternately, if you’re a polyamorous degenerate or identity hustler, you can attend protests, upload evidence of your commitment to “social justice” on YouTube, Facebook or Twitter, and thereby burnish your “radical chic” street cred for later use in a competitive job market.

    “Instrumentalized morality” is the precise term for what most of these folks are really up to. It’s also why they have no interest in “academic debate” as it does not help advance their primary goal of accumulating social-status chits.

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  62. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    If white progs really care about the non-white world, they should go nationalist and race-ist.

    They seem not to realize that proggism is far more dangerous to the non-white world than white race-ism and nationalism are.

    Even now, the West sets the intellectual, ideological, political, and cultural template for the whole world. So, what the progs do in the West will be the model for the rest of the world.

    So, if white progs commit racial and national suicide as the highest virtue, then racial-and-national suicide will become the template for much of the world, especially more advanced ones.
    White prog suicidalism is infectious. Ideologies like feminism, homomania, atomization, amnesia, hipsterism, hedonism, diversity-mania, invasivism, and virtue-signaling are spreading all over the world, especially in places that have been most successful in imitating the West.

    When white folks were nationalist and race-ist, that served as template for the rest of the world that also adopted nationalism and racial consciousness as the defining visions and values. So, each nation could become stable & secure and grow strong by pursuing its own nationalism and race-ism. Indeed, nationalism and racial consciousness among non-whites were proven to be the most potent weapons arousing fighting spirit in their war against imperialism and struggle for independence.

    If the West weren’t influential around the world, it wouldn’t matter what it thinks. But what happens in the West also happens in other parts of the world because all intellectuals are shaped by Western media and academia. The elites of so many nations were educated in US universities.

    So, even though progs think they are doing the world a favor, they are doing the opposite. If they push for Western Suicide, then national suicide will be the template for the elites of all the world, especially as English is the only world language and US totally dominates use of English.

    A teacher who commits suicide in the name of her students isn’t doing any favor to them. Their only lesson is they too must commit suicide.

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    • Replies: @anonguy
    This is quite possibly the stupidest comment I've ever read on iSteve.
  63. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Barnard
    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don't know much about Murray, when has he said anything anti-gay? He was telling people at CPAC to accept gay marriage and abortion in 2013.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

    Virtue signaling.

    But Murray virtue signals too. Like David Brooks, he’s signaled his preference for vibrancy:

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    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    Because of this alone, C Murray deserves to be hoisted by his own petard.
    , @Desiderius

    Virtue signaling.
     
    Note: the problem isn't the signaling - that's inevitable among humans in any case - it's the signal. It's almost 100% noise.

    I.e. what purports to be virtue is in fact vice.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Murray lives in a white-bread rural town near Frederick Maryland.

    And yes, people get paid at AEI. David Frum was making $100k before they canned him for not showing up.
  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Twinkie
    Did you all not see the LinkedIn link to the head protestess to which Mr. Sailer linked?

    Here it is, again: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-ronai-durning-15b65b45

    She went to a prep school near Portland, previously led "Divest Middlebury," and is now a peon at Yu Foundation (was also a "farmers market vendor" and a "ski instructor").

    Her future is bright, indeed, as a prospective Guangzhou candidate.*

    Previously known as "The Manchurian Candidate" for those of you not old enough to have read the book or seen the original film.

    At Middlebury, Emma Ronai-Durning is involved with the group Wonderbread:White Students for Racial Justice, which is the organization that opposed Charles Murray.

    https://middleburycampus.com/article/white-students-for-racial-justice-oppose-charles-murray/

    Also, check out Middlebury’s unattractive website. Picturesque colleges and universities used to feature photos of their beautiful campuses on their website homepages. Nowadays, they all seem to favor homepages that are very generic-looking and could be from any college with any campus. I don’t understand why they’ve made this transition. I find them very uninspiring.

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  65. The goal is obviously Racial and Gender Communism via quotas and set-asides in a borderless world. Anyone opposed will be deemed racist, sexist, or homophobic. This pretty much seems to be the goals and tactics. Resent-filled types seem attracted to this socialism-of-outcomes approach and support it. Smarter people than myself might be able to concoct ways to make the white supporters of this movement feel self conscious and embarrassed by their real motivations by means of a strawman caricature they could be painted with, whose motivations could be parodied and mocked. I suggest calling the caricature “PC Phil”

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  66. SEATAF says:

    The robotic recitation, the fanaticism–it’s a wonder they didn’t put a dunce cap on Murray and make him stand in the airplane position.

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  67. @JohnnyD
    @Snorlax,
    If Hillary won, Murray would probably be on trial for hate speech. It did shock me, though, that Murray didn't see the big picture: Hillary wanted to legalize and import millions of people who are hostile to Murray's conservatism/libertarianism.

    I think Murray is tired of being the co-author of The Bell Curve. He’s an unperson now, and he hates it. The elite crowd freezes him out. Not invited to the cool parties.

    Sure, he was against Trump, in a desperate attempt to shed his pariah status.

    It won’t work of course. There’s no way back for him.

    I’d admire him a lot more if he stuck to his principles.

    But then he’d have no better gig than writing a blog like our host.

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    Yes, Murray is big disappointment.

    He thought he could write the Bell Curve and still be welcomed in polite society.

    He was wrong.
  68. jon says:
    @Escher
    OT: Now writing about "other peoples'" food is racist.

    There is no winning with these idiots. If you ignore their cuisine, you are racist. If you don't like it, you are racist. If you like it but take a picture of the food in a non-approved manner, you are racist.
    They are free to talk about and denigrate Western culture, but god forbid a white chef posts a video on the proper way to eat Vietnamese noodle soup.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39142260

    “(His) recipe for Filipino short ribs is styled with chopsticks even though Filipinos traditionally eat with spoons and forks or their hands”.

    Lol, pretty sure forks are cultural appropriation of our Western ways. Filipinos traditionally ate with their hands.

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    • Replies: @Rob McX
    How about "not eating family pets is cultural appropriation from whites"? Or take a swipe at people from cannibal societies: "eating other species - stealing our culture!" A new World War T - transophagy rights.
  69. jon says:
    @Twinkie
    Did you all not see the LinkedIn link to the head protestess to which Mr. Sailer linked?

    Here it is, again: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-ronai-durning-15b65b45

    She went to a prep school near Portland, previously led "Divest Middlebury," and is now a peon at Yu Foundation (was also a "farmers market vendor" and a "ski instructor").

    Her future is bright, indeed, as a prospective Guangzhou candidate.*

    Previously known as "The Manchurian Candidate" for those of you not old enough to have read the book or seen the original film.

    Given that a LinkedIn profile is essentially a publicly accessible CV, you would think she would proofread the damn thing.

    Also, as others have pointed out, she is the bastard child of the SWPL website and the Portlandia TV show. If you wrote here as a character, people would say tone it down.

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    • Replies: @Bill B.
    And only one recommendation - from someone with half her surname.

    Not even one from the hapless migrant dairy farmer to whom she is teaching English!
    , @Daniel Williams

    [Emma Ronai-Durning] is the bastard child of the SWPL website and the Portlandia TV show. If you wrote here as a character, people would say tone it down.
     
    She appears to be the legitimate child of a pediatric cardiologist. Also the sister of a Tesla employee, if Google is any indication.

    The Portlandia show seemed mainly about gently teasing an artistic/hippy community characterized by lack of motivation (these people are becoming rare in Portland in 2017). Miss Ronai-Durning is more your tech overlord/Tiger Mom type. Different animals entirely.

  70. NickG says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    If I remember correctly, Dr. Murray has argued that < 20% of our population has the brains to make proper use of college.

    That video is evidence that he is correct. Those morons don't belong there. (And college isn't what it used to be, as he also has explained.)

    Everywhere we look today, organized masses of indoctrinated idiots are shouting down science. It's a modern version of what the church did to Galileo.

    Dr. Murray has argued that < 20% of our population has the brains to make proper use of college.

    Assuming a population average IQ of 100, with a standard deviation of 15 – which is pretty much the white population’s IQ profile – the top 20% would pan out to an IQ of at least around 113. Which is not especially sharp, but bright enough to assimilate much on offer in today’s tertiary education environment.

    Assuming a population average IQ 85 – the average for US Blacks, also assuming a SD of 15 (actually for blacks it’s a tad less) only of 3% of American Blacks would make the cut as having ‘the brains to make proper use of college’.

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    If you use ACT/SAT college readiness benchmarks the % of blacks that are college ready is around 15-20%, 3% probably represents those that could qualify for a highly selective school or traditional college.

    The real eye opener is looking at LSAT+ GPA and the number of blacks that could objectively qualify for a spot at one of the top 14 law schools. The number is under 20 I think definitely under 100, compared to thousands of whites and Asians.

  71. @Mr. Blank
    Murray's an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a "cuckservative" by his intellectual heirs.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners -- hence the "Midwestern nice" stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Second: His age. On some level, Murray probably believes (correctly) that the worst will all happen after he dies. He'd rather not spend his remaining time on earth brooding about the coming horrors, so he prefers to imagine that proposition nation mumble mumble American values mumble something something mumble Martin Luther King Jr. something something mumble will just magically cause it all to work out after he kicks the bucket. He's not the first old man to adopt that attitude.

    Mr. Blank says:

    Murray’s an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a “cuckservative” by his intellectual heirs.

    I’ve read his Coming Apart and some of his other writings. He is not really “libertarian,” “alt-right,” etc. His actual policy positions are pretty centrist.

    What gets him in trouble is that he is smart, curious, and notices things. So, he starts musing about interesting or perplexing things, notices a few things we are supposed not to notice, and, pretty soon, the Left is denouncing him as Hitlerian.

    Of course, Trump’s actual positions are pretty centrist, too. In many ways, Trump’s positions are a bit to the left of Jack Kennedy’s.

    Note: I am not endorsing either Murray’s or Trump’s views: I am personally a Thoreauist.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

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    I've always taken him to be a progressive. Sure he says blacks are dumber on average but his policy prescription is to have the state give blacks more money, intervene more in their lives. This is early 20th century progressivism.
    , @Desiderius

    Note: I am not endorsing either Murray’s or Trump’s views: I am personally a Thoreauist.
     
    This gets you worse than nowhere.

    Unless the Murrayists and Trumpists and Thoreauists hang together we'll certainly hang separately.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am personally a Thoreauist.
     
    You’re a Thoreauist? Thoreauism was tried in the 19th century and failed. Wasn’t Walden Pond Thoreauist? It failed.
  72. j0hnny says:

    Mr. [?] Patton needs to grow a pair.

    “I would regret it terribly if my presence here today, which is an expression of support I try to give to all my students [...] is read to be something which is not, an endorsement of Mr. Murray’s teachings and writings,” Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students …”

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Laurie L. Patton is gonna have to have a sex change to grow a pair. There does seem to be a man in her life, one Shalom Goldman.

    http://www.middlebury.edu/newpresident/640293
  73. Rob McX says:
    @jon

    "(His) recipe for Filipino short ribs is styled with chopsticks even though Filipinos traditionally eat with spoons and forks or their hands".
     
    Lol, pretty sure forks are cultural appropriation of our Western ways. Filipinos traditionally ate with their hands.

    How about “not eating family pets is cultural appropriation from whites”? Or take a swipe at people from cannibal societies: “eating other species – stealing our culture!” A new World War T – transophagy rights.

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  74. wren says:

    Those kids don’t look ultra-preppy.

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    Why do most of the guys in that wapo picture look Balkan to me?

    Is that the new look in Vermont?
  75. A “WN” who married a one-handed Thai, and had 2 children. I can’t believe America & rest of the world is buying into the leftists line!…

    A review of his “coming apart” book at the link.

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  76. eah says:

    People should read Murray’s twitter feed about this:

    @charlesmurray.

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    • Replies: @res
    Buried in his feed was this interesting link: https://macarthurlab.org/2017/02/27/the-genome-aggregation-database-gnomad/

    Might be useful if anyone wants to look at genomic similarity between multiple people within/between races (like the Watson/Venter/Kim comparison elsewhere in iSteve).
    , @dr kill
    I did read his feed, down to the part about robotics. Reminded me about the joke where they painted all the robots black.
  77. wren says:
    @wren
    Those kids don't look ultra-preppy.

    Why do most of the guys in that wapo picture look Balkan to me?

    Is that the new look in Vermont?

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  78. @Kyle McKenna

    Charles Murray? Trying to speak on this campus? OMG, I can't even.

    We all need to retreat to our color-coded safe spaces, STAT.
     

    Not much has changed on campus since the 1980s, frankly. Then we had 'free speech' for lockstep liberals, and anyone and everyone else was totally silenced. Apparently this was true in the 1970s as well. Apparently it's been true ever since 'free speech' came into vogue in the 1960s.

    Now, something's wrong with what I just said, I can just feel it. But since 'free speech' has joined words like 'literally' in meaning the exact opposite of what it means, I do get confused.

    Agreed. Maybe the most egregious inversion of a word’s meaning is ‘liberal’.

    Black is white, 2+2=5, we have always been at war with Eurasia, etc., etc.

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  79. eah says:
    @Desiderius

    “I would regret it terribly if my presence here today, which is an expression of support I try to give to all my students [...] is read to be something which is not, an endorsement of Mr. Murray’s teachings and writings,” Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students …
     
    Chicks don't respect pussies, Chuck.

    You'd think that such a learned man would have picked that up somewhere along the way.

    Chicks don’t respect pussies, Chuck.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    My favorite Murray tweet is the one lauding the Middlebury administration after they flipped him a pretty ostentatious bird.

    He still thinks that if he can kiss just a little more ass, then they'll love him as much as everyone else does. Typical people-pleasing behavior.

    Spoiler: SJWs are parasites who have arisen to feed on people-pleasers.
  80. eah says:

    And maybe a return to the ‘Dark Ages’.

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  81. @Daniel H
    >>Thought experiment: Give Middle America to Trump, leave the two coasts to Hillary.

    No effn way. I like the coasts. Just lock them up in urban pens: LA, San Francisco, New York, Boston and DC. That's enough room for all the leftists in the country.

    Build a wall around LA, and make the leftists pay for it!

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  82. @Glossy
    I wonder if he gets any income from AEI. Do fellows at think tanks get paid? I'm assuming that AEI would have severed ties with him if he supported Trump. Also, he could have absorbed some of AEI's view of the world while hanging around there. And these two motivations, selfishness and group think, could be hard to untangle from each other.

    I don’t think it’s that complicated. Why do we always feel the need to ascribe ideology to monetary motives when a person’s own background and states beliefs are more than sufficient to explain it?

    Charles Murray has produced excellent work at the intersection of sociology and psychometrics, but otherwise he is a classic conservative of his generation – he supported the Iraq War, thinks AGW is a scam, is on good terms with all the people at the National Review, became supportive of gay marriage sometime around 2015 along with the rest of Conservatism Inc., hostile to Putin and Russia, I recall he even supported a NFZ in Syria.

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  83. Ed says:

    It’s interesting to compare how college administrators deal with a problem to how Trump deals with it. Take immigration the media is doing their thing spotlighting hard luck stories of immigrants caught by ICE and processed for deportation. In the past an immigrant that got sympathetic press almost always got to stay. Thus far under Trump that hasn’t been the case. His willingness to absorb some momentarily bad press is already paying off with activists dropping their pathway to citizenship demand. Trump is exposing that these activists have virtually no leverage.

    The same is true of these students. They have broken the laws in their school’s handbook but because administrators refuse to enforce the rules they can get away with it. Rules are written for a reason when leaders flout them for fear of bad press or other conflicts they lose leverage. What’s that’s gone you have chaos.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    The same is true of these students. They have broken the laws in their school’s handbook but because administrators refuse to enforce the rules they can get away with it. Rules are written for a reason when leaders flout them for fear of bad press or other conflicts they lose leverage. What’s that’s gone you have chaos.
     
    Perhaps this is what you would prefer:

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/16/clemson-swiftly-ends-students-building-occupation-with-trespassing-arrests/
  84. Ed says:
    @PhysicistDave
    Mr. Blank says:

    Murray’s an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a “cuckservative” by his intellectual heirs.
     
    I've read his Coming Apart and some of his other writings. He is not really "libertarian," "alt-right," etc. His actual policy positions are pretty centrist.

    What gets him in trouble is that he is smart, curious, and notices things. So, he starts musing about interesting or perplexing things, notices a few things we are supposed not to notice, and, pretty soon, the Left is denouncing him as Hitlerian.

    Of course, Trump's actual positions are pretty centrist, too. In many ways, Trump's positions are a bit to the left of Jack Kennedy's.

    Note: I am not endorsing either Murray's or Trump's views: I am personally a Thoreauist.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    I’ve always taken him to be a progressive. Sure he says blacks are dumber on average but his policy prescription is to have the state give blacks more money, intervene more in their lives. This is early 20th century progressivism.

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    This is early 20th century progressivism.
     
    I.e., conservatism.
    , @biz

    but his policy prescription is to have the state give blacks more money, intervene more in their lives.
     
    I have read almost all of Murray's major works and I can't think of a place where he actually advocated either of those things. Policy-wise, Murray is essentially a small government conservative.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    He's a self-described libertarian. once in a discussion someone asked him for some solutions to a particular social problem. He said,"I'm a libertarian, I don't believe in solutions."

    Now he may not always abide by that philosophy, but it sure did make me think.
  85. Ed says:
    @NickG

    Dr. Murray has argued that < 20% of our population has the brains to make proper use of college.
     
    Assuming a population average IQ of 100, with a standard deviation of 15 - which is pretty much the white population's IQ profile - the top 20% would pan out to an IQ of at least around 113. Which is not especially sharp, but bright enough to assimilate much on offer in today's tertiary education environment.

    Assuming a population average IQ 85 - the average for US Blacks, also assuming a SD of 15 (actually for blacks it's a tad less) only of 3% of American Blacks would make the cut as having 'the brains to make proper use of college'.

    If you use ACT/SAT college readiness benchmarks the % of blacks that are college ready is around 15-20%, 3% probably represents those that could qualify for a highly selective school or traditional college.

    The real eye opener is looking at LSAT+ GPA and the number of blacks that could objectively qualify for a spot at one of the top 14 law schools. The number is under 20 I think definitely under 100, compared to thousands of whites and Asians.

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    If you use ACT/SAT college readiness benchmarks the % of blacks that are college ready is around 15-20%, 3% probably represents those that could qualify for a highly selective school or traditional college
     
    That seems optimistic - given that only around 16% of US blacks have an IQ of 100 or more - the white average.

    Incidentally the average IQ in South Africa is 72 - according to Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen in IQ and the wealth of the nations. Given a normal distribution, only 3% of South African blacks meet or exceed the white average of 100. It also means you will find fewer than 1 in 320 South African blacks that meet the top 20% white IQ threshold of around 113, which is nearly 3 standard deviation above the South African black average.

    This looks wrong, but I checked it twice. It is scary and depressing stuff. It also explains an awful lot. Admittedly it isn't very PeeCee.

  86. Ed says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    OT
    Anyone else noticing the not so subtle pressure on China and Japan to be more welcoming?

    :http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/01/japan-prefers-robot-bears-to-foreign-nurses/?utm_content=bufferb9c93&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    The media has been on Japan’s case over this for decades, nothing new. It grates them that there is a successful, modern state that is openly ethnically chauvinistic. Now with China rising they are really stepping up the lack of diversity arguments.

    They’re losing the plot here, maybe they’ll get a respite if Macron wins in France. It seems they’re pulling out all the stops to eliminate Fillon to make it happen.

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  87. Bill B. says:
    @Mr. Blank
    Murray's an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a "cuckservative" by his intellectual heirs.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners -- hence the "Midwestern nice" stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Second: His age. On some level, Murray probably believes (correctly) that the worst will all happen after he dies. He'd rather not spend his remaining time on earth brooding about the coming horrors, so he prefers to imagine that proposition nation mumble mumble American values mumble something something mumble Martin Luther King Jr. something something mumble will just magically cause it all to work out after he kicks the bucket. He's not the first old man to adopt that attitude.

    I wonder if Murray should have run with the ball more after The Bell Curve noticed that life will increasingly favour the genetically blessed. (A companion volume might be the classic The Rise of the Meritocracy by Michael Young.)

    I haven’t followed Murray’s career closely but perhaps he could have become more of an activist for the rights of the – for once correctly used word – naturally underprivileged, perhaps appealing even to people who are agnostic on the bell curve?

    But this is now very difficult because the progressives have pushed the equal outcomes demand past the point where old euphemisms and understandings that were used to explain noblesse oblige and the need for community cohesion no longer function well.

    Instead Murray is being anathematized not for noticing the poignant realities of life but as a monster with his boot on the head of mankind.

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  88. Bill B. says:

    OT

    David Goodhart, in the FT, talks about whites standing up for their own interests. This is good but perhaps he has to shy away from saying that it might be in the best interests of whites to have their own countries? It’s probably unfair to say that this smacks a tad to much of our need to ‘manage’ the destruction of the west.

    “…accepting that all groups, including whites, have legitimate cultural interests is the first step toward mutual understanding.

    Majority rights are uncharted territory for liberal democracies and it is not always clear what distinguishes legitimate group interest from racism. Hardly anyone wants to abolish anti-discrimination laws that ban majorities from favouring “their own”. But while few people from the white majority think in explicitly ethnic terms, many feel a discomfort about their group no longer setting the tone in a neighbourhood. Labelling that feeling racist risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy, driving white resentment.

    Minorities often have real grievances requiring group-specific policy solutions. White grievances are more subtle. For instance, lower-income whites sometimes lack the mutual support that minority communities often enjoy — this can translate into a sense of loss and insecurity. This, too, should be recognised and factored into the policy calculus.

    The liberal reflex to tar legitimate majority grievances with the brush of racism risks deepening western societies’ cultural divides.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/220090e0-efc1-11e6-ba01-119a44939bb6

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  89. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    A “WN” who married a one-handed Thai, and had 2 children. I can’t believe America & rest of the world is buying into the leftists line!…

    Yeah, it’s pretty funny. Murray was smart enough to consider these things decades ahead of everyone else. Although part of it is being an academic/researcher exposed to the data.

    In 1965 Murray contracted yellow fever after going to Thailand with the Peace Corps. In 1966 he practiced cognitive elitism by marrying a one-handed Thai who must have been merit scholar+ material. After 14 years and two mixed race children later, in 1980 Murray divorced the Thai. In 1983 he married someone within his own race, probably within his own ethnicity (Cox and Murray are both British surnames). He then completed his each-way bet, having 2 children with her.

    In 1994 he co-wrote The Bell Curve. Sometime before 1996 Murray (or maybe Herrnstein) had figured out that there was a dangerous trend – the average whites were going to be dispossessed, and yet they still had enough IQ 130+ people in their midst to enable leadership. I think Yggdrasil’s view on that is fascinating.

    https://www.whitenationalism.com/ms/ms-01.htm

    This was over twenty years ago, the authors saw what was going to happen. One wonders whether the desire to procreate within his own race was a factor for the divorce. Sooner or later the world situation was going to be unstable, and there was going to be conflict. Murray is like a parent in a divorce/remarry situation scenario – they typically wish that both families should all get along, while the two sides resent and dislike each other. And I think that is why he is against white nationalism. He would like to see his mixed race cognitively elite children go on and be like the stars that Abraham saw – so shall his offspring be. But he’s got a couple of white kids just in case the white host doesn’t take too kindly to their new cognitive elite overlords.

    I read some more on Murray. His background is really interesting, although I don’t really trust the source.

    http://shameproject.com/profile/charles-murray/

    Murray spent the peak Vietnam War years (1965-71) in Thailand, first with the Peace Corps, and then, from 1968 onward, in a Pentagon-contracted counterinsurgency program run by the American Institutes for Research (AIR), which operated under cover of academic anthropology research. In 1970, the New York Review of Books exposed the AIR program in Thailand where Murray worked as a covert military counter-insurgency program run by the Department of Defense’s research and development agency ARPA, in cooperation with the CIA. [ 1 ]

    The American Institutes for Research’s own description of its counter-insurgency program included: “assassinating key spokesmen, strengthening retaliatory mechanisms and similar preventative measures” and efforts to “neutralize the political successes already achieved by groups committed to the ‘wrong’ side. This typically involves direct military confrontation.” The AIR program also tested crop destruction and artificially-induced starvation in order to pacify restive populations, described as a “behavior control plan enhanced by crop destruction.” Referring to its staffers like Charles Murray, the AIR proposal promised: “The social scientist can make significant contributions to the design of all [these] operations.” [ 2 ]

    Columbia University adjunct professor Eric Watkin’s book Anthropology Goes To War: Professional Ethics & Counterinsurgency in Thailand published the names of the military and CIA officials that Murray worked with in the AIR counter-insurgency program. For example, the “Participants in AIR Advisory Panel Meetings” included Murray’s name alongside “Philip Baston, senior U.S. advisor to the Thai National Police Department”; “Coffey, civic action advisor to the Border Patrol Police most likely Raymond Coffey of Development Consultants, Inc (DEVCON), a CIA-front corporation”; “Maj. Gen. Prasart, commanding general of Joint Thai-U.S. Military Research and Development Center”; “George K. Tanham, U.S. Special Assistant for Counterinsurgency”; “Lt. Gen. Yuan, Thai National Police Department.” [ 3 ]

    The AIR counter-insurgency program that Charles Murray worked in was designed to serve as a model for the CIA and Pentagon for counter-insurgency operations elsewhere in the world, including back home in the United States. The AIR proposal to the Pentagon stated: “The potential applicability of the findings in the United States will also receive special attention. In many of our key domestic programs, especially those directed at disadvantaged sub-cultures, the methodological problems are similar to those described in this proposal; and the application of the Thai findings at home constitutes a potentially most significant project contribution.” As one study on anthropology ethics observed, it took “little imagination to recognize the identities of the ‘disadvantaged subcultures’” that AIR’s proposal was referring to. [ 4 ]

    Now we see perhaps where Murray saw the unfolding issue of dispossession of whites and their capacity to resist. He studied the concept first in Thailand, with a US government funded goal to prevent and/or crush it. So the central thesis of TBC may well have been Murray’s insight, not Herrnstein’s.

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  90. Bill B. says:
    @jon
    Given that a LinkedIn profile is essentially a publicly accessible CV, you would think she would proofread the damn thing.

    Also, as others have pointed out, she is the bastard child of the SWPL website and the Portlandia TV show. If you wrote here as a character, people would say tone it down.

    And only one recommendation – from someone with half her surname.

    Not even one from the hapless migrant dairy farmer to whom she is teaching English!

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  91. @Desiderius

    “I would regret it terribly if my presence here today, which is an expression of support I try to give to all my students [...] is read to be something which is not, an endorsement of Mr. Murray’s teachings and writings,” Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students …
     
    Chicks don't respect pussies, Chuck.

    You'd think that such a learned man would have picked that up somewhere along the way.

    >Chicks don’t respect pussies, Chuck.
    >You’d think that such a learned man would have picked that up somewhere along the way.

    At the very least he should have picked it up from the rural blue collar neighbors he pats himself on the back for deigning to live among.

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    At the very least he should have picked it up from the rural blue collar neighbors he pats himself on the back for deigning to live among.
     
    Is this a real thing? Murray lives among rural blue collar people? No security? No gates?
  92. I spent one enjoyable summer in the late ’80s in the total immersion Spanish language program at Middlebury. A pretty rigorous program – no English media or spoken English allowed; 6 hours of classroom and language lab every day; and if you wanted to eat you had to order in Spanish. After eight weeks I was dreaming in Spanish!

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    • Replies: @Bill B.
    Enjoyable? I accuse you of coasting below your level.

    Whenever I have engaged in intense language learning I have founding it physically painful after a couple of hours: brain ache, tiredness, combined with a deep desire to be elsewhere.
  93. NickG says:
    @Ed
    If you use ACT/SAT college readiness benchmarks the % of blacks that are college ready is around 15-20%, 3% probably represents those that could qualify for a highly selective school or traditional college.

    The real eye opener is looking at LSAT+ GPA and the number of blacks that could objectively qualify for a spot at one of the top 14 law schools. The number is under 20 I think definitely under 100, compared to thousands of whites and Asians.

    If you use ACT/SAT college readiness benchmarks the % of blacks that are college ready is around 15-20%, 3% probably represents those that could qualify for a highly selective school or traditional college

    That seems optimistic – given that only around 16% of US blacks have an IQ of 100 or more – the white average.

    Incidentally the average IQ in South Africa is 72 – according to Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen in IQ and the wealth of the nations. Given a normal distribution, only 3% of South African blacks meet or exceed the white average of 100. It also means you will find fewer than 1 in 320 South African blacks that meet the top 20% white IQ threshold of around 113, which is nearly 3 standard deviation above the South African black average.

    This looks wrong, but I checked it twice. It is scary and depressing stuff. It also explains an awful lot. Admittedly it isn’t very PeeCee.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    That there is a higher number of blacks that can obtain a college degree than their IQ level would indicate is probably due to the watering down of the college curriculum and more schools focused on keeping warm paying bodies in the seats.

    I should note for many years University of Phoenix awarded more degrees to black students than any other college. It's thought much of the uptick in college attainment among blacks is due to for profit schools such as Univ. of Phoenix.

    As a society we have a hard time telling blacks the truth or saying no. One good stat where this becomes glaring is that each year blacks make up a higher percent of the national incoming college freshman class than the high school graduation class. All the while having significantly lower GPAs & test scores than average and well below college readiness benchmarks.
  94. Dr. X says:
    @eah
    Actually not long ago he was regularly bashing Trump on twitter.com, as I remember -- does anyone else recall that? -- I guess I could confirm it by scrolling down long enough -- look what it got him.

    I smell a potential future 'Watsoning'...

    ...Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students…

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards -- like this stupid you-know-what.

    …Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students…

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what.

    There aren’t any women characters in the dialogues of Plato, that’s for sure.

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  95. @Ed
    I've always taken him to be a progressive. Sure he says blacks are dumber on average but his policy prescription is to have the state give blacks more money, intervene more in their lives. This is early 20th century progressivism.

    This is early 20th century progressivism.

    I.e., conservatism.

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  96. ic1000 says:

    SJW students have started a petition to ditch the Panthers mascot, and rename Middlebury’s sports teams The Brownshirts. Or, The Guards.

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  97. dcthrowback says: • Website
    @ic1000
    The Cost of a Middlebury Education
    Tuition: $49,648
    Room & Board: $14,269
    Student Activity Fee: $415

    $64,332 * 4 = $257,328. Parents: getting your money's worth of entertainment? Students?

    No black person in that room paid full sticker price. In fact, I’d imagine several of them are paid pretty well to be at Middlebury.

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  98. @Mr. Blank
    Murray's an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a "cuckservative" by his intellectual heirs.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners -- hence the "Midwestern nice" stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Second: His age. On some level, Murray probably believes (correctly) that the worst will all happen after he dies. He'd rather not spend his remaining time on earth brooding about the coming horrors, so he prefers to imagine that proposition nation mumble mumble American values mumble something something mumble Martin Luther King Jr. something something mumble will just magically cause it all to work out after he kicks the bucket. He's not the first old man to adopt that attitude.

    “This is a thing with Midwesterners — hence the “Midwestern nice” stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.”

    As an outsider living in Iowa, I can confirm. It is (or was) like a little corn-fed Scandinavia, with all the strengths and weaknesses that implies.

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  99. Just give me five divisions of Upper Midwestern Germans and five divisions of Anglo-Celtic Southerners and our problems in the United States will be over very quickly.

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  100. @eah
    Actually not long ago he was regularly bashing Trump on twitter.com, as I remember -- does anyone else recall that? -- I guess I could confirm it by scrolling down long enough -- look what it got him.

    I smell a potential future 'Watsoning'...

    ...Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students…

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards -- like this stupid you-know-what.

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what.

    She’s not a coward; she’s kicking Murray’s ass for instance.

    She’s just playing for the other team.

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    • Replies: @eah
    I meant coward in the sense she should have just said something like 'Mr Murray should be allowed the opportunity to speak, whether you personally agree with his views or not -- so please do not further disturb his appearance -- those who fail to comply with this simple request will be dealt with by campus police' -- instead she had to virtue-signal/approval-seek.

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/836506262737125377
    , @RadicalCenter
    She's actually physically fighting him? No, I didn't think so. Let her physically fight a man or woman at least her size and strength, with no help from a mob, and see how brave and tough she is.
  101. @eah
    Chicks don’t respect pussies, Chuck.

    https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/837529954707369985

    My favorite Murray tweet is the one lauding the Middlebury administration after they flipped him a pretty ostentatious bird.

    He still thinks that if he can kiss just a little more ass, then they’ll love him as much as everyone else does. Typical people-pleasing behavior.

    Spoiler: SJWs are parasites who have arisen to feed on people-pleasers.

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  102. @PhysicistDave
    Mr. Blank says:

    Murray’s an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a “cuckservative” by his intellectual heirs.
     
    I've read his Coming Apart and some of his other writings. He is not really "libertarian," "alt-right," etc. His actual policy positions are pretty centrist.

    What gets him in trouble is that he is smart, curious, and notices things. So, he starts musing about interesting or perplexing things, notices a few things we are supposed not to notice, and, pretty soon, the Left is denouncing him as Hitlerian.

    Of course, Trump's actual positions are pretty centrist, too. In many ways, Trump's positions are a bit to the left of Jack Kennedy's.

    Note: I am not endorsing either Murray's or Trump's views: I am personally a Thoreauist.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    Note: I am not endorsing either Murray’s or Trump’s views: I am personally a Thoreauist.

    This gets you worse than nowhere.

    Unless the Murrayists and Trumpists and Thoreauists hang together we’ll certainly hang separately.

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    Desiderius wrote to me:

    Unless the Murrayists and Trumpists and Thoreauists hang together we’ll certainly hang separately.
     
    Oh, I certainly think the way Murray was treated was contemptible, partly because I find him interesting, but mainly because I support freedom of speech whether or not I agree with the speaker.

    I was merely pointing out that I do in fact disagree with many (not all) of Murray's views.

    Dave
  103. @eah
    Actually not long ago he was regularly bashing Trump on twitter.com, as I remember -- does anyone else recall that? -- I guess I could confirm it by scrolling down long enough -- look what it got him.

    I smell a potential future 'Watsoning'...

    ...Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students…

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards -- like this stupid you-know-what.

    “Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what.”

    To what are you referring?

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  104. eah says:
    @Desiderius

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what.
     
    She's not a coward; she's kicking Murray's ass for instance.

    She's just playing for the other team.

    I meant coward in the sense she should have just said something like ‘Mr Murray should be allowed the opportunity to speak, whether you personally agree with his views or not — so please do not further disturb his appearance — those who fail to comply with this simple request will be dealt with by campus police’ — instead she had to virtue-signal/approval-seek.

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    And I'm saying that the reason she didn't say that has nothing to do with courage or lack thereof.

    She's substantially in sympathy with the students who disrupted the talk, and made sure to give them the implicit go-ahead to shut him down in her introduction.

    Note: if she weren't, she would never have been hired to be president.
  105. JMcG says:
    @Honesthughgrant
    "Libertarian" = loser. I'm trying to think of anytime in human history that a "libertarian" has vanquished a communist/marxist. Nope - can't think of it. It usually goes like this:

    Libertarian: "Free Markets, bro"
    Marxist: " Die, racist, bourgeois pig"
    Libertarian: "Hey Bro, Not racist, Free speech, Open borders, globalization, Marx would like it"
    Marxist: Pulls out Gun. Shoots Libertarian.
    Libertarian: "Bro..."

    I would say the Anarchist component of the leftist coalition in the Spanish Civil War correspond most closely to libertarians. There are differences of course, especially regarding property rights, but the Commies coopted whoever they could and steamrollered the rest.

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  106. pyrrhus says:

    As far as I can see, Middlebury is living up to its reputation as a school for the dumber children of liberal upper middle class families….I would wager that most of these kids have never done a days work in their lives, and don’t plan on changing that fact.

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  107. @Dave Pinsen
    Virtue signaling.

    But Murray virtue signals too. Like David Brooks, he's signaled his preference for vibrancy:
    https://twitter.com/mksheikh/status/744909255338262528

    Because of this alone, C Murray deserves to be hoisted by his own petard.

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  108. Charles Murray is a muttonheaded Scotch-Irish baby boomer boob who has pushed mass immigration his whole life. Charles Murray will deserve the curses of those who come after.

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  109. Hunsdon says:
    @Daniel H
    >>It’s probably the best intensive (total immersion) foreign language program available to civilians.

    And it's still probably a waste of time and money. For 99% of us, the only way to learn a foreign language is to get stranded in some foreign locale where one is compelled to learn the local idiom for survival. If there are any still out there, maybe some rural outback where the internet has not yet penetrated would do.

    I can’t speak to Middlebury, but DLI-FLC does a stellar job of language training.

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    I can’t speak to Middlebury, but DLI-FLC does a stellar job of language training.
     
    1. Yes.

    2. To repeat, Middlebury offers that best total immersion program available to civilians.
  110. Corvinus says:

    “Okay, Charles, your hometown newspaper, Jeff Bezos’s Washington Post, just called you a “white nationalist” five times in the opening of their article.”

    No, Steve, Bezos reported that other groups called him a “white nationalist”. No different than when you use outside sources to make reference to a particular group as being “x” or “y”. Regardless, the protestors are foolishly trying to shut someone out by the way of meme rather than engage in intellectual discourse. Same old Coalition of the Fringes nonsense.

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  111. Corvinus says:
    @eah
    Actually not long ago he was regularly bashing Trump on twitter.com, as I remember -- does anyone else recall that? -- I guess I could confirm it by scrolling down long enough -- look what it got him.

    I smell a potential future 'Watsoning'...

    ...Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students…

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards -- like this stupid you-know-what.

    “Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what.”

    Obviously, your mother didn’t teach you manners. A product of your environment?

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    Obviously, your mother didn’t teach you manners.
     
    Obviously, your mother didn't bequeath you any brains. Nature, not nurture is the culprit here. It's tragic but such is life.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Obviously, your mother didn’t teach you manners. A product of your environment?
     
    Not naming your enemies isn't manners. It's foolishness.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    No point to playing a game when one side renegades by the rules. Women who aren't ladies, should be treated as if they were.
    , @res

    Obviously, your mother didn’t teach you manners. A product of your environment?
     
    Says our own exemplar of good manners. (/sarc)
  112. Ed says:
    @NickG

    If you use ACT/SAT college readiness benchmarks the % of blacks that are college ready is around 15-20%, 3% probably represents those that could qualify for a highly selective school or traditional college
     
    That seems optimistic - given that only around 16% of US blacks have an IQ of 100 or more - the white average.

    Incidentally the average IQ in South Africa is 72 - according to Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen in IQ and the wealth of the nations. Given a normal distribution, only 3% of South African blacks meet or exceed the white average of 100. It also means you will find fewer than 1 in 320 South African blacks that meet the top 20% white IQ threshold of around 113, which is nearly 3 standard deviation above the South African black average.

    This looks wrong, but I checked it twice. It is scary and depressing stuff. It also explains an awful lot. Admittedly it isn't very PeeCee.

    That there is a higher number of blacks that can obtain a college degree than their IQ level would indicate is probably due to the watering down of the college curriculum and more schools focused on keeping warm paying bodies in the seats.

    I should note for many years University of Phoenix awarded more degrees to black students than any other college. It’s thought much of the uptick in college attainment among blacks is due to for profit schools such as Univ. of Phoenix.

    As a society we have a hard time telling blacks the truth or saying no. One good stat where this becomes glaring is that each year blacks make up a higher percent of the national incoming college freshman class than the high school graduation class. All the while having significantly lower GPAs & test scores than average and well below college readiness benchmarks.

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  113. Charles Murray is a baby boomer boob who has supported mass immigration and multicultural mayhem his whole life. Charles Murray is anti-Trump. Charles Murray is a Scotch-Irish fool who says a Neo-Con shyster columnist named Bret Stephens who writes for the Neo-Con Wall Street Journal speaks for him in regards to President Trump.

    GO TO HELL CHARLES MURRAY, YOU BABY BOOMER SLOB

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Just some fact-checking: Murray was born in 1943. So he's not really a baby boomer.
  114. I’m sure the highly educated snowflakes are aware that anyone who tries to apply Gaussian Distributions to people is dubious at best. Good on them for defending the integrity of modern social studies.

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  115. Middlebury College. Vermont. The northernmost incubator of The Ruling Class. Home of “The Middlebury Snowbowl.”

    This chickiepoo give new meaning to the word “Snowflake.”

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  116. ic1000 says:

    Middlebury College’s Community Standards and Policy Overview
    Last updated August 31, 2016

    Community Standards
    Middlebury seeks to prepare students to be active citizens and leaders who will address the world’s most pressing problems. This mission is advanced through students’ experiences with successes and challenges, and is reflected in the following Community Standards:
    * cultivating respect and responsibility for self, others, and our shared environment;
    * encouraging personal and intellectual courage and growth;
    * manifesting integrity and honesty in all decisions and actions;
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    * fostering a diverse and inclusive community committed to civility, open-mindedness and finding common ground.

    Middlebury College’s Student Policies
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    1. General Conduct Standards
    Behavior that violates common standards of decency, fails to comply with community laws or statutes, or demonstrates contempt for the generally accepted values of the intellectual community is prohibited.

    2. Respect for Middlebury’s Educational Function
    Any disruption of Middlebury’s educational function is prohibited.

    3. Respect for Persons
    Middlebury expects all members of the Middlebury community to respect the dignity, freedom, and rights of others. Violence in word or deed against another; incitement or provocation to violence; negligent or reckless use of physical force; conduct that may reasonably be expected to exploit or coerce; prevention of another’s ability to communicate or move freely; defamation; violation of another’s privacy; unauthorized entry and/or uninvited or unwanted presence in another’s room or office, are prohibited.

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    Nice policies you have there. It’d be a pity if anything was to happen to them.

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  117. @Mr. Blank
    Murray's an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a "cuckservative" by his intellectual heirs.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners -- hence the "Midwestern nice" stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Second: His age. On some level, Murray probably believes (correctly) that the worst will all happen after he dies. He'd rather not spend his remaining time on earth brooding about the coming horrors, so he prefers to imagine that proposition nation mumble mumble American values mumble something something mumble Martin Luther King Jr. something something mumble will just magically cause it all to work out after he kicks the bucket. He's not the first old man to adopt that attitude.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners — hence the “Midwestern nice” stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Not everybody. Not Trump and Trump supporters, for instance.

    I think you’re projecting your own good intentions onto him/them.

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  118. biz says:
    @Ed
    I've always taken him to be a progressive. Sure he says blacks are dumber on average but his policy prescription is to have the state give blacks more money, intervene more in their lives. This is early 20th century progressivism.

    but his policy prescription is to have the state give blacks more money, intervene more in their lives.

    I have read almost all of Murray’s major works and I can’t think of a place where he actually advocated either of those things. Policy-wise, Murray is essentially a small government conservative.

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  119. anonguy says:
    @Anon
    If white progs really care about the non-white world, they should go nationalist and race-ist.

    They seem not to realize that proggism is far more dangerous to the non-white world than white race-ism and nationalism are.

    Even now, the West sets the intellectual, ideological, political, and cultural template for the whole world. So, what the progs do in the West will be the model for the rest of the world.

    So, if white progs commit racial and national suicide as the highest virtue, then racial-and-national suicide will become the template for much of the world, especially more advanced ones.
    White prog suicidalism is infectious. Ideologies like feminism, homomania, atomization, amnesia, hipsterism, hedonism, diversity-mania, invasivism, and virtue-signaling are spreading all over the world, especially in places that have been most successful in imitating the West.

    When white folks were nationalist and race-ist, that served as template for the rest of the world that also adopted nationalism and racial consciousness as the defining visions and values. So, each nation could become stable & secure and grow strong by pursuing its own nationalism and race-ism. Indeed, nationalism and racial consciousness among non-whites were proven to be the most potent weapons arousing fighting spirit in their war against imperialism and struggle for independence.

    If the West weren't influential around the world, it wouldn't matter what it thinks. But what happens in the West also happens in other parts of the world because all intellectuals are shaped by Western media and academia. The elites of so many nations were educated in US universities.

    So, even though progs think they are doing the world a favor, they are doing the opposite. If they push for Western Suicide, then national suicide will be the template for the elites of all the world, especially as English is the only world language and US totally dominates use of English.

    A teacher who commits suicide in the name of her students isn't doing any favor to them. Their only lesson is they too must commit suicide.

    This is quite possibly the stupidest comment I’ve ever read on iSteve.

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  120. @Dave Pinsen
    Virtue signaling.

    But Murray virtue signals too. Like David Brooks, he's signaled his preference for vibrancy:
    https://twitter.com/mksheikh/status/744909255338262528

    Virtue signaling.

    Note: the problem isn’t the signaling – that’s inevitable among humans in any case – it’s the signal. It’s almost 100% noise.

    I.e. what purports to be virtue is in fact vice.

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  121. SteveM says:

    I wouldn’t brand Charles Murray a “white nationalist”, I’d brand him a Think “Pimp Tank Hack” who’s paid over $300 Grand by AEI to restate the obvious. He’s been playing variations his Bell Curve schtick for years. If Murray were a musician, he’d be The Beach Boys.

    If I were a student at Middlebury I’d be demonstrating against shoveling that overrated gas-bag huge coin for his appearance.

    BTW, Murray recently had this epiphany that maybe open borders isn’t such a great thing after after. Well duh…? If Murray is so smart, what took him so long to have that obvious realization?

    Make no mistake, the Middlebury kids may be coddled and stupid, but cronied-up Chuck stooging for the Elites is also part of the problem.

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  122. Employers refusing to take seriously anyone with academic credentials from Ivys and liberal arts colleges like Middlebury would go a long way toward curbing this sort of thing.

    On the other hand, given that HR is almost exclusively a female domain now it probably helps more than harms to have Facebook evidence of smearing one’s used tampons on some hated figure’s portrait.

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  123. @Daniel H
    >>Thought experiment: Give Middle America to Trump, leave the two coasts to Hillary.

    No effn way. I like the coasts. Just lock them up in urban pens: LA, San Francisco, New York, Boston and DC. That's enough room for all the leftists in the country.

    Whitey who came to this land by sail power will never give up the coasts to the unholy hordes. Put the invasive ones and their anti-sovereignty White collaborators on barges until such time as preparations have been made for mass expulsions and mass deportations.

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  124. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what."

    Obviously, your mother didn't teach you manners. A product of your environment?

    Obviously, your mother didn’t teach you manners.

    Obviously, your mother didn’t bequeath you any brains. Nature, not nurture is the culprit here. It’s tragic but such is life.

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  125. So this is where they train future members of media, entertainment and academia!

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  126. Ganderson says:
    @Polynices
    I grew up on that campus (my dad was a professor) and back then it was said that Middlebury was for rich kids who weren't bright enough to attend an Ivy. I'd be shocked if that's changed. Pretty campus, though.

    Middlebury is Ivy League difficult to get into. It also has a very good DIII athletic profile- its men’s hockey and lax teams are consistently in the top ten. My son plays lacrosse at a Middlebury-like place in Wisconsin (nowhere near as selective though) He notes there’s a huge divide between the athletes and what they call the NARPS (non athletic regular people). My guess there weren’t many lax bros among the protesters.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    NARPS, also known as the opposite of Sporty Guys in other parts of the country. That definition can be loose enough in places to include anyone who can handle a screwdriver, either as a tool or as a drink.
  127. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr. Blank
    Murray's an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a "cuckservative" by his intellectual heirs.

    I blame, first of all, his Iowa background. He seems congenitally incapable of perceiving evil intentions on the part of others. This is a thing with Midwesterners -- hence the "Midwestern nice" stereotype. They really do look for the good in everybody.

    Second: His age. On some level, Murray probably believes (correctly) that the worst will all happen after he dies. He'd rather not spend his remaining time on earth brooding about the coming horrors, so he prefers to imagine that proposition nation mumble mumble American values mumble something something mumble Martin Luther King Jr. something something mumble will just magically cause it all to work out after he kicks the bucket. He's not the first old man to adopt that attitude.

    “Murray’s an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right,…..”

    No, not really. Certainly not “The” Godfather.

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  128. @PhysicistDave
    Mr. Blank says:

    Murray’s an interesting case. He has a legitimate claim to being the intellectual godfather of the alt-right, yet he voted for Hillary and is denounced as a “cuckservative” by his intellectual heirs.
     
    I've read his Coming Apart and some of his other writings. He is not really "libertarian," "alt-right," etc. His actual policy positions are pretty centrist.

    What gets him in trouble is that he is smart, curious, and notices things. So, he starts musing about interesting or perplexing things, notices a few things we are supposed not to notice, and, pretty soon, the Left is denouncing him as Hitlerian.

    Of course, Trump's actual positions are pretty centrist, too. In many ways, Trump's positions are a bit to the left of Jack Kennedy's.

    Note: I am not endorsing either Murray's or Trump's views: I am personally a Thoreauist.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    I am personally a Thoreauist.

    You’re a Thoreauist? Thoreauism was tried in the 19th century and failed. Wasn’t Walden Pond Thoreauist? It failed.

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    • Replies: @guest
    That the Walden Pond settlement ceased to exist, I'll grant you. But whether or not it failed cannot be definitively said. Everyone ceases to exist. Does mean everyone's a failure.
    , @PhysicistDave
    Jenner I. E. wrote to me:

    Thoreauism was tried in the 19th century and failed. Wasn’t Walden Pond Thoreauist? It failed.
     
    Thoreau only spent a couple years at the Pond, and it was within comfortable walking distance of Concord: think of it as a brief sabbatical.

    In any case, I was referring to the famous "Essay on Civil Disobedience," which is a fairly good summary of my own views (note: the spin given on that essay by people who have not read it is almost entirely wrong).

    Dave
  129. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what."

    Obviously, your mother didn't teach you manners. A product of your environment?

    Obviously, your mother didn’t teach you manners. A product of your environment?

    Not naming your enemies isn’t manners. It’s foolishness.

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  130. @Barnard
    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don't know much about Murray, when has he said anything anti-gay? He was telling people at CPAC to accept gay marriage and abortion in 2013.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

    So many girls and minorities;birdbrain’s who don’t belong in college.

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  131. Question. Article states ….”and occasional smoke alarms.” As in setting off the fire/smoke alarms? That I believe is a felony and not free speech as in turning your back or hooting and hollering, but now protestors march through streets destroying property and no police interfere. So I guess this is ok, until people become immune to smoke alarms, just like they are to car alarms.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Jackasses pulling fire alarms is now a common thing. Someone I know works in a public school filled with black kids. Those little scholars, who are suffering from "failing schools" and "lack of school choice" routinely pull the alarm.

    Everyone has to go outside and stand in the rain or freezing cold or blaring sun until the firemen come, look around and shut the thing off.

    I'm sure that the upcoming transfer of exorbitant property tax dollars to Gulen's charter schools will solve this problem.

  132. Bill says:
    @27 year old
    >Chicks don’t respect pussies, Chuck.
    >You’d think that such a learned man would have picked that up somewhere along the way.

    At the very least he should have picked it up from the rural blue collar neighbors he pats himself on the back for deigning to live among.

    At the very least he should have picked it up from the rural blue collar neighbors he pats himself on the back for deigning to live among.

    Is this a real thing? Murray lives among rural blue collar people? No security? No gates?

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    • Replies: @27 year old
    It's definitely a real thing, but I'm not sure how honest he is being. He weirdly bragged about it back when his Astounding Insight (tm) that the so-called elites tend to live in the same small areas and the "Do you live in a bubble" quiz were making the rounds. I can't confirm whether there is security or whether he is truly "among" the blue collar people. He probably lives on a "gentleman's farm". In which case there is most definitely a gate. But he said with some measure of pride in his non-bubble-ness that his kids go to school with auto mechanics kids and HVAC techs kids. This is the town he claims to live in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkittsville,_Maryland. Pop ~150, (99.7% White). I am guessing he lives on somewhere around 10 acres slightly outside the town.
  133. @Buffalo Joe
    Question. Article states ...."and occasional smoke alarms." As in setting off the fire/smoke alarms? That I believe is a felony and not free speech as in turning your back or hooting and hollering, but now protestors march through streets destroying property and no police interfere. So I guess this is ok, until people become immune to smoke alarms, just like they are to car alarms.

    Jackasses pulling fire alarms is now a common thing. Someone I know works in a public school filled with black kids. Those little scholars, who are suffering from “failing schools” and “lack of school choice” routinely pull the alarm.

    Everyone has to go outside and stand in the rain or freezing cold or blaring sun until the firemen come, look around and shut the thing off.

    I’m sure that the upcoming transfer of exorbitant property tax dollars to Gulen’s charter schools will solve this problem.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Suspension for first offense. Expulsion for the second offense. Done.
  134. Bill says:
    @Lot
    I have the admire the cleverness of the close: "Hey you spoiled brats, we're going to another room where you will be locked out, enjoy a livestream here in the auditorium, tweet us your questions."

    Everyone the left likes to shut down on campus should plan on doing the same and insist that such a contingency is in place before wasting their time going to a left-wing campus.

    The brats seem to be unable to do a synchronized reading of their statement, so it just came out as gibberish. Maybe do a trial run next time guys!

    What? “Cowardly” is not spelled c-l-e-v-e-r.

    The students should have been arrested and prosecuted for disturbing the peace. And kicked out with no refund.

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  135. Dan Smith says:

    Middlebury accepted me in 1968 but I didn’t go, so I can’t cut off my donations. My eventual choice, Carleton, is about as lefty saturated. They’ve seen none of my money in about 20 years. They still want me back for a reunion this year.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    College fund raisers must at some point see the trends, or willfully ignore them. When alumni stop giving, that should be a signal. When they write letters saying why they stop giving, that is a further signal. Next steps for those fund raisers include relaxing of standards, meaning take money from any source available, and then telling the Dean about how the targets aren't being met due to some recalcitrant alums.

    Expect a few more college cutbacks and closures when endowment growth slackens and turns. No more rock climbing wall or artisan dorm food or curated anything for the next admitted class.

    Perhaps there is a dead pool or other betting option regarding colleges most likely to cut back. Univ of Missouri was only one of the more publicized cases. Others will face pressure from many directions, whether over concern about out of control athletes, idiotic speech codes or other excesses du jour.

  136. Barnabas says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    “Charles Murray go away. Racist. Sexist. Anti-gay.”

    I believe that one of the reasons your cause is losing (no offense) is your side's propensity to laugh at this labels, rather than contest them.

    Racism is only bad if you're on the losing side, ergo the contest ought to be in trying not to lose.

    Being unsexist? confers no known benefits, we owe those famous "sexists", Ancient Greece, Rome, Victorian Britain, Prussia and 40s-60s America an unpayble debt.

    Anti-gay, what does that even mean??? Are anti-gay people aborting gay foetuses, murdering gays in their sleep??? Anti-gay can mean anything!

    They deliberately make their assertions as wide as possible. You guys ought to try getting them to commit or else their linguistic assaults will keep bleeding your support.

    The opposite is true. Conservatives, and Murray as much as anyone, have been “contesting” these labels for far too long. Not a racist? How far are you willing to go to prove it? When internet trolls start laughing about the holocaust they are refusing to play this game. Is that a winning strategy? I don’t know but I’m not going to keep being so easily manipulated with these labels.

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  137. Tiny Duck says:

    Good. Nazis need to be de platformed

    What a pussy. scared by a bunch of rich white kids

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  138. @Desiderius

    Why is protesting so fashionable?
     
    What else do they have left to predicate their over-inflated status upon?

    The pussy parents need to cut off their funds, and tell them to get a damn part-time job with all the hours they waste “protesting” and threatening / initimidating speakers.

    Police — not campus security, but heavily armed police — should forcibly remove people interfering with anyone’s speech, whatever their viewpoint. If they resist, beat them down and imprison them, charge them criminally, and keep them in prison without bond pending trial. They can explain to their African or Mexican cellmates how they too hate white people and are down with the cause.

    Watch the little snowflakes change their tune.

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  139. @Desiderius

    Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what.
     
    She's not a coward; she's kicking Murray's ass for instance.

    She's just playing for the other team.

    She’s actually physically fighting him? No, I didn’t think so. Let her physically fight a man or woman at least her size and strength, with no help from a mob, and see how brave and tough she is.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Let's just say it wouldn't be wise to put your money on Murray if it came to that. Anyway, she didn't need to fight, she had a decent-sized mob for that. A mob that she herself had egged on.
  140. @Buzz Mohawk
    Jackasses pulling fire alarms is now a common thing. Someone I know works in a public school filled with black kids. Those little scholars, who are suffering from "failing schools" and "lack of school choice" routinely pull the alarm.

    Everyone has to go outside and stand in the rain or freezing cold or blaring sun until the firemen come, look around and shut the thing off.

    I'm sure that the upcoming transfer of exorbitant property tax dollars to Gulen's charter schools will solve this problem.

    Suspension for first offense. Expulsion for the second offense. Done.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    You can't do that, because disparate impact.

    Your approach would solve many, many problems in education, but it will never happen.
  141. @Kyle McKenna

    What an embarrassment to the college that they couldn’t manage a controversial invited speaker without having it shut down by hecklers.
     
    Says you! Nine out of ten colleges today would (and do) see this as a badge of honour, not an embarrassment. Particularly liberal liberal-arts schools like Middlebury. It's that old 'feature, not a bug' thing.

    Cut off their federal funds, and prohibit the use of fed student loans to attend there, and see how proud and defiant they are.

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  142. @Anonymous
    Ronai-Durning's CV has to be among the SWPLiest ever posted on LinkedIn. It looks like a caricature.

    She’s cuter than most SJWs. I wonder if she ever shuts up.

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  143. @Ed
    It's interesting to compare how college administrators deal with a problem to how Trump deals with it. Take immigration the media is doing their thing spotlighting hard luck stories of immigrants caught by ICE and processed for deportation. In the past an immigrant that got sympathetic press almost always got to stay. Thus far under Trump that hasn't been the case. His willingness to absorb some momentarily bad press is already paying off with activists dropping their pathway to citizenship demand. Trump is exposing that these activists have virtually no leverage.

    The same is true of these students. They have broken the laws in their school's handbook but because administrators refuse to enforce the rules they can get away with it. Rules are written for a reason when leaders flout them for fear of bad press or other conflicts they lose leverage. What's that's gone you have chaos.

    The same is true of these students. They have broken the laws in their school’s handbook but because administrators refuse to enforce the rules they can get away with it. Rules are written for a reason when leaders flout them for fear of bad press or other conflicts they lose leverage. What’s that’s gone you have chaos.

    Perhaps this is what you would prefer:

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/16/clemson-swiftly-ends-students-building-occupation-with-trespassing-arrests/

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    • Replies: @Ed
    Yes something like this would be ideal although in this case the police don't have to be involved. Their behavior is a violation of school policy, the threat of suspension up to expulsion should do the trick.
  144. @Cloudbuster
    Hillary wanted to legalize and import millions of people who are hostile to Murray’s conservatism/libertarianism.

    Huge numbers of libertarians seem fundamentally unable to get this. It's like banging your head against a brick wall at Reason.com . There is simply no way you can maintain a libertarian polity while importing collectivists as fast as you possibly can.

    Libertarianism is great, but one of the essential functions of the "night watchman" state libertarians support is to protect the state from invaders. It's naive in the modern world to think that all invaders come with tanks and guns and announce that they're invading.

    Libertarians think the world is rational.

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  145. @Corvinus
    "Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what."

    Obviously, your mother didn't teach you manners. A product of your environment?

    No point to playing a game when one side renegades by the rules. Women who aren’t ladies, should be treated as if they were.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "No point to playing a game when one side renegades by the rules. Women who aren’t ladies, should be treated as if they were."

    There will always be men who have their own criteria as to what is and is not a man, what is and is not a woman. But being human is about progressing, and yesterday's "rules" that white men governed the household with an iron fist and their white wives diligently complied are a thing of the past, and a product of 1950's Hollywood.
  146. @Dave Pinsen
    Virtue signaling.

    But Murray virtue signals too. Like David Brooks, he's signaled his preference for vibrancy:
    https://twitter.com/mksheikh/status/744909255338262528

    Murray lives in a white-bread rural town near Frederick Maryland.

    And yes, people get paid at AEI. David Frum was making $100k before they canned him for not showing up.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    But he plays poker with diverse folks at an Indian reservation nearby.
  147. @j0hnny
    Mr. [?] Patton needs to grow a pair.

    “I would regret it terribly if my presence here today, which is an expression of support I try to give to all my students [...] is read to be something which is not, an endorsement of Mr. Murray’s teachings and writings,” Middlebury College President Laurie L. Patton said to the students …"

    Laurie L. Patton is gonna have to have a sex change to grow a pair. There does seem to be a man in her life, one Shalom Goldman.

    http://www.middlebury.edu/newpresident/640293

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    Laurie L. Patton is gonna have to have a sex change to grow a pair.
     
    So your theory is that if she had a pair she'd be using them to defend free speech?

    Fat chance. She set the tone with her content-free virtue-signaling condemnation of Murray, and her minions took it from there. She's just embarrassed now that they took it too far and someone got hurt and some not-so-sympathetic eyes are seeing what kind of racket she's been running.
  148. Bill B. says:
    @E. Rekshun
    I spent one enjoyable summer in the late '80s in the total immersion Spanish language program at Middlebury. A pretty rigorous program - no English media or spoken English allowed; 6 hours of classroom and language lab every day; and if you wanted to eat you had to order in Spanish. After eight weeks I was dreaming in Spanish!

    Enjoyable? I accuse you of coasting below your level.

    Whenever I have engaged in intense language learning I have founding it physically painful after a couple of hours: brain ache, tiredness, combined with a deep desire to be elsewhere.

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    Learning a foreign language as an adult (really learning it) is one of the most difficult things that you can do, unless you just happen to be unusually gifted. After about 3 consecutive hours, I'm out of intellectual gas, although I'm in my 60s.
  149. Corvinus says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    No point to playing a game when one side renegades by the rules. Women who aren't ladies, should be treated as if they were.

    “No point to playing a game when one side renegades by the rules. Women who aren’t ladies, should be treated as if they were.”

    There will always be men who have their own criteria as to what is and is not a man, what is and is not a woman. But being human is about progressing, and yesterday’s “rules” that white men governed the household with an iron fist and their white wives diligently complied are a thing of the past, and a product of 1950′s Hollywood.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    As they say, nice story bro. Doesn't change the simple game theory of it, and doesn't change the essential fact that your rambles about "not being raised right" are completely nonsensical. But then again, the same goes for the rest of your liberal "moderate" rambles.
    , @Barnabas
    Nope. Its reality in my family right now. Available to any man of merit.
  150. @Corvinus
    "No point to playing a game when one side renegades by the rules. Women who aren’t ladies, should be treated as if they were."

    There will always be men who have their own criteria as to what is and is not a man, what is and is not a woman. But being human is about progressing, and yesterday's "rules" that white men governed the household with an iron fist and their white wives diligently complied are a thing of the past, and a product of 1950's Hollywood.

    As they say, nice story bro. Doesn’t change the simple game theory of it, and doesn’t change the essential fact that your rambles about “not being raised right” are completely nonsensical. But then again, the same goes for the rest of your liberal “moderate” rambles.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Doesn’t change the simple game theory of..."

    How does a person objectively quantify and qualify what is a "true" man and a "true" woman? What are the metrics involved? What makes YOU the expert as to what is ultimately manly or feminine? Why ought men and women strictly adhere to YOUR standards?
  151. J1234 says:

    Ultra-preppy Middlebury College Shouts Down Charles Murray’s Talk on “Coming Apart”

    Wow, that was very much like the (non-scripture based) “liturgy” experience at some of the the Presbyterian and Lutheran churches I used to attend, with a substantial portion of the crowd stumbling (comically and revealingly) through the “this is what we believe” statement. How can anyone not believe that these communal chants are some sort of surrogate for religion?

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  152. Barnabas says:
    @Corvinus
    "No point to playing a game when one side renegades by the rules. Women who aren’t ladies, should be treated as if they were."

    There will always be men who have their own criteria as to what is and is not a man, what is and is not a woman. But being human is about progressing, and yesterday's "rules" that white men governed the household with an iron fist and their white wives diligently complied are a thing of the past, and a product of 1950's Hollywood.

    Nope. Its reality in my family right now. Available to any man of merit.

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  153. res says:
    @eah
    People should read Murray's twitter feed about this:

    @charlesmurray.

    Buried in his feed was this interesting link: https://macarthurlab.org/2017/02/27/the-genome-aggregation-database-gnomad/

    Might be useful if anyone wants to look at genomic similarity between multiple people within/between races (like the Watson/Venter/Kim comparison elsewhere in iSteve).

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  154. @Nigerian Nationalist
    “Charles Murray go away. Racist. Sexist. Anti-gay.”

    I believe that one of the reasons your cause is losing (no offense) is your side's propensity to laugh at this labels, rather than contest them.

    Racism is only bad if you're on the losing side, ergo the contest ought to be in trying not to lose.

    Being unsexist? confers no known benefits, we owe those famous "sexists", Ancient Greece, Rome, Victorian Britain, Prussia and 40s-60s America an unpayble debt.

    Anti-gay, what does that even mean??? Are anti-gay people aborting gay foetuses, murdering gays in their sleep??? Anti-gay can mean anything!

    They deliberately make their assertions as wide as possible. You guys ought to try getting them to commit or else their linguistic assaults will keep bleeding your support.

    In a room full of shouting people who won’t shut up, nothing can be heard, not even the truth.

    It doesn’t matter what labels and words those useless idiots were shouting. Their objective was to prevent the truth from being heard. They were successful. They could just as well have been yelling “yada yada yada, la la la, hey hey hey.”

    The only thing we need to do is identify what is really going on, as I just did above, and find alternative ways to communicate. The Left and the Powers That Be are now controlling many places of public speech. (Well, really they have for a long time; it’s just that now they have to shout and bring anarchy in order to hold onto the control they already have.)

    Don’t bother getting into arguments with them. They will be perfectly happy if you waste your (our) time doing that. You should not care if they call us Martians or cat-eaters or accuse us of eating our own belly button lint. It’s all fake and pointless noise designed to drown us out.

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  155. res says:
    @Corvinus
    "Too many women, no matter their position, are weak, approval-seeking, anti-intellectual cowards — like this stupid you-know-what."

    Obviously, your mother didn't teach you manners. A product of your environment?

    Obviously, your mother didn’t teach you manners. A product of your environment?

    Says our own exemplar of good manners. (/sarc)

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  156. guest says:
    @Rod1963
    Yep, the SJW's were protesting against a Hillary supporter of all things and a man who detested the white working and middle-class and welcomed their demise.

    Well of course they didn't see that part of him, all they knew is he co-wrote the "Bell Curve" and that made him Satan incarnate to the SJW's.

    Too bad he never figured out that those whom he supported politically would be the first to eradicate him and his ideas from the face of the planet if they had gotten into power. He never got it, that the moment he co- wrote the "Bell Curve" he put a massive bulls eye on himself. I remember when the book came out, the Left went totally nuts and would have liked to put him down - 6ft down.

    Nothing he could do would make amends as far as the Left was concerned.

    People forget what the world was like when the Bell Curve came out. I want to say that was, like, ’94? The early days of the mass internet. Nowadays every Tom, Dick, and Harry can get thousands of eyeballs on their rants with the push of a button. Then, the Race Unrealists had a stranglehold on the Megaphone. You could self-publish or get a small publisher, but the media would black you out. Silence kills the spread of ideas.

    Not to say there weren’t breakthroughs. Because race was too obvious to be completely ignored. There was sensationalistic stuff like The Turner Diaries, which I think started in a ‘Zine. I might guess the Megaphone gave it a little notoriety because they need examples of “white nationalism” with which to scare people. Or there were books like The Dispossessed Majority, which was more respectable but too hot for the mainstream. My copy has anonymous quotes on the back from supposedly important people who couldn’t come out in support of it publicly.

    Bell Curve, on the other hand, was intellectually respectable, not written by weirdos or nutcases, and managed to get wide press. Not that this part was publicized, but it wasn’t much about race, either. So it wasn’t full of axe-grinding corner-cutting, and question-begging in support of a “racist” message. Race was in there, but it was more incidental. Mostly it was a boring social science book.

    How and why did it break through to public consciousness? Why was that allowed to happen? I don’t know. Maybe someone thought it was example-making time. But they screwed up, because the usual Intimations of Hitler ploy didn’t take. They were able to associate the book and its authors with crimethink, at least with enough of the audience, but they also managed to leave “racism” more plausible than it has previously seemed.

    That’s why the lingering resentment of Murray, I think. Because they feel they shouldn’t even be talking about the guy. He shouldn’t have ever existed; that debate was closed. This, despite the fact that lefties repeatedly say things as “racist” as he, and the fact that Murray has done decades of penance with boilerplate equality-speak.

    He was an “objective ally” of white nationalism, as Lenin might have said. And he actually is on the other side, though not the white nationalist side, given that he’s a squishy-con/libertarian friend of Conservatism Inc.

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  157. Corvinus says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    As they say, nice story bro. Doesn't change the simple game theory of it, and doesn't change the essential fact that your rambles about "not being raised right" are completely nonsensical. But then again, the same goes for the rest of your liberal "moderate" rambles.

    “Doesn’t change the simple game theory of…”

    How does a person objectively quantify and qualify what is a “true” man and a “true” woman? What are the metrics involved? What makes YOU the expert as to what is ultimately manly or feminine? Why ought men and women strictly adhere to YOUR standards?

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    Easy. Because they largely work. And as social norms, they exist because they are highly functional and so as long as boundaries were defended and maintained, they continued to be highly functional. That there isn't a strict border between day and night, for example, doesn't mean that there isn't a difference between the two, and it can't be used functionally.

    You, like most liberals, can't see past the continuum fallacy. And thus, the resulting paranoia of thinking that standards are being projected by one person is exactly due to the liberal fallacy of self-described identities. The more you feel the need to project, the more you're assuming that others are projecting.

    Nope.

    Once consumed by your religion, can't see past it. It'd be adorable if it wasn't so sad.

    The good news, though, is that this means that we'll inevitably win. Because when you keep trying to push a religion, it only works in defiance of reality for so long. Eventually, functional expressions of Catholicism get replaced by idiotic Children's Crusades. The Left's Children's Crusade is in motion as we speak, and as you spaz out blindly, still trying to argue the talking points from fundamentally incorrect premises.

  158. guest says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am personally a Thoreauist.
     
    You’re a Thoreauist? Thoreauism was tried in the 19th century and failed. Wasn’t Walden Pond Thoreauist? It failed.

    That the Walden Pond settlement ceased to exist, I’ll grant you. But whether or not it failed cannot be definitively said. Everyone ceases to exist. Does mean everyone’s a failure.

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  159. @Corvinus
    "Doesn’t change the simple game theory of..."

    How does a person objectively quantify and qualify what is a "true" man and a "true" woman? What are the metrics involved? What makes YOU the expert as to what is ultimately manly or feminine? Why ought men and women strictly adhere to YOUR standards?

    Easy. Because they largely work. And as social norms, they exist because they are highly functional and so as long as boundaries were defended and maintained, they continued to be highly functional. That there isn’t a strict border between day and night, for example, doesn’t mean that there isn’t a difference between the two, and it can’t be used functionally.

    You, like most liberals, can’t see past the continuum fallacy. And thus, the resulting paranoia of thinking that standards are being projected by one person is exactly due to the liberal fallacy of self-described identities. The more you feel the need to project, the more you’re assuming that others are projecting.

    Nope.

    Once consumed by your religion, can’t see past it. It’d be adorable if it wasn’t so sad.

    The good news, though, is that this means that we’ll inevitably win. Because when you keep trying to push a religion, it only works in defiance of reality for so long. Eventually, functional expressions of Catholicism get replaced by idiotic Children’s Crusades. The Left’s Children’s Crusade is in motion as we speak, and as you spaz out blindly, still trying to argue the talking points from fundamentally incorrect premises.

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    "Easy. Because they largely work."

    According to whom? Again, I ask...How does a person objectively quantify and qualify what is a "true" man and a "true" woman? What are the metrics involved? What makes YOU the expert as to what is ultimately manly or feminine? Why ought men and women strictly adhere to YOUR standards?

    Answer the relevant questions here rather than skirt the issue.

    "And as social norms, they exist because they are highly functional and so as long as boundaries were defended and maintained, they continued to be highly functional."

    Social norms change. Fifty years ago, it was other than normal for whites and nonwhites to legally marry and have children in the United States. They were prohibited from exercising their freedom of association through law and custom. Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?

    "You, like most liberals, can’t see past the continuum fallacy."

    Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not a liberal nor a leftist. Just an educated white American married man with children who is able to make his own decisions about race and culture.

    "The good news, though, is that this means that we’ll inevitably win. Because when you keep trying to push a religion, it only works in defiance of reality for so long."

    First, liberalism is not a religion. Second, you have YOUR version of reality. Your side may win, or may not win. You don't know.
  160. @RadicalCenter
    Suspension for first offense. Expulsion for the second offense. Done.

    You can’t do that, because disparate impact.

    Your approach would solve many, many problems in education, but it will never happen.

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    Never is a long time.

    If it starts impacting the bottom line, change will come so fast it will make your head spin.
  161. @Lot
    I have the admire the cleverness of the close: "Hey you spoiled brats, we're going to another room where you will be locked out, enjoy a livestream here in the auditorium, tweet us your questions."

    Everyone the left likes to shut down on campus should plan on doing the same and insist that such a contingency is in place before wasting their time going to a left-wing campus.

    The brats seem to be unable to do a synchronized reading of their statement, so it just came out as gibberish. Maybe do a trial run next time guys!

    They should have kicked out the hecklers to another room where they could boo his livestream.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    They should have kicked out the hecklers to another room where they could boo his livestream.
     
    Would yield:

    As usual, the face of Emmanuel Goldstein, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience ... People were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the tops of their voices in an effort to drown the maddening bleating voice that came from the screen.
     
  162. Ed says:
    @ben tillman

    The same is true of these students. They have broken the laws in their school’s handbook but because administrators refuse to enforce the rules they can get away with it. Rules are written for a reason when leaders flout them for fear of bad press or other conflicts they lose leverage. What’s that’s gone you have chaos.
     
    Perhaps this is what you would prefer:

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/16/clemson-swiftly-ends-students-building-occupation-with-trespassing-arrests/

    Yes something like this would be ideal although in this case the police don’t have to be involved. Their behavior is a violation of school policy, the threat of suspension up to expulsion should do the trick.

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  163. Olorin says:
    @Barnard
    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don't know much about Murray, when has he said anything anti-gay? He was telling people at CPAC to accept gay marriage and abortion in 2013.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

    It’s not fashionable. It’s how they signal to one another, and future employers, that they have taken the football-sized blue pill at both ends.

    $265,328 is the access price tag for doing this signalling in the most highly regarded settings.

    Assuming they graduate in four years, of course. Which most don’t.

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  164. @Bill B.
    Enjoyable? I accuse you of coasting below your level.

    Whenever I have engaged in intense language learning I have founding it physically painful after a couple of hours: brain ache, tiredness, combined with a deep desire to be elsewhere.

    Learning a foreign language as an adult (really learning it) is one of the most difficult things that you can do, unless you just happen to be unusually gifted. After about 3 consecutive hours, I’m out of intellectual gas, although I’m in my 60s.

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  165. Seneca44 says:
    @King Baeksu
    Thought experiment: Give Middle America to Trump, leave the two coasts to Hillary.

    Emboldened by the Great Helmswoman, a new Cultural Revolution intensifies as Red Guards 2.0 run amok.

    Soon even Marxist professors in California and New York have been murdered or purged as "reactionary deviationists" by their students. Work stoppages proliferate and become the new normal.

    Economies in coastal areas begin to crater, anarchy engulfs major cities, open warfare breaks out between BLM and MS-13. "I'm With Her" and "Stronger Together" are their respective credos.

    Unhappy with the slow pace of "social transformation," more extremist groups obtain nuclear weapons and set off atomic blasts in Los Angeles and San Francisco. The San Andreas Fault is triggered, resulting in a 9.9 magnitude quake. Soon California breaks off from the continental landmass and falls into the Pacific Ocean.

    Same process is repeated in New York City and Atlanta. Entire East Coast sinks into the Altantic.

    Meanwhile, GDP growth in Middle America reaches 7.2% per annum. With broad support of the people, it soon goes fully national socialist.

    The Wall is extended along the entire spine of the Rocky Mountains, as well as the Appalachians. Flush with a budget surplus for the first time in nearly a century, President Trump decides that gold-plated turrets all along the Wall would look pretty cool.

    America has finally been Made Great Again. And in a heart-warming coda, it is learned that famed nationalist blogger Steve Sailer was rescued by Air Force One at the last minute, and now blogs from a secure location in scenic Leadville, Colorado.

    Sounds pretty good to me!

    You forgot that the coastal people all starved because they need the middle Americans to grow their food.

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    You forgot that the coastal people all starved because they need the middle Americans to grow their food.
     
    California is the top ag-producing state in the union.
  166. @Ed
    I've always taken him to be a progressive. Sure he says blacks are dumber on average but his policy prescription is to have the state give blacks more money, intervene more in their lives. This is early 20th century progressivism.

    He’s a self-described libertarian. once in a discussion someone asked him for some solutions to a particular social problem. He said,”I’m a libertarian, I don’t believe in solutions.”

    Now he may not always abide by that philosophy, but it sure did make me think.

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    He’s a self-described libertarian. once in a discussion someone asked him for some solutions to a particular social problem. He said,”I’m a libertarian, I don’t believe in solutions.”
     
    Libertarianism is a theory of government. (Mis-)applying it to society as a whole is how we got into this mess.

    Those are his own chickens that came to roost on his car at Middlebury.

    To be clear: he's been a pussy for twenty years, which is why the (female) Middlebury president felt the need to express her contempt to his face before he spoke a word*. His bugging out to avoid that crowd wasn't cowardly in the least. He was in real danger.

    * - which is an 8th-grade Queen Bee thing to do. Hence "chick". She doesn't want to be called a chick she shouldn't act like one.
  167. Ivy says:
    @Ganderson
    Middlebury is Ivy League difficult to get into. It also has a very good DIII athletic profile- its men's hockey and lax teams are consistently in the top ten. My son plays lacrosse at a Middlebury-like place in Wisconsin (nowhere near as selective though) He notes there's a huge divide between the athletes and what they call the NARPS (non athletic regular people). My guess there weren't many lax bros among the protesters.

    NARPS, also known as the opposite of Sporty Guys in other parts of the country. That definition can be loose enough in places to include anyone who can handle a screwdriver, either as a tool or as a drink.

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  168. Ivy says:
    @Dan Smith
    Middlebury accepted me in 1968 but I didn't go, so I can't cut off my donations. My eventual choice, Carleton, is about as lefty saturated. They've seen none of my money in about 20 years. They still want me back for a reunion this year.

    College fund raisers must at some point see the trends, or willfully ignore them. When alumni stop giving, that should be a signal. When they write letters saying why they stop giving, that is a further signal. Next steps for those fund raisers include relaxing of standards, meaning take money from any source available, and then telling the Dean about how the targets aren’t being met due to some recalcitrant alums.

    Expect a few more college cutbacks and closures when endowment growth slackens and turns. No more rock climbing wall or artisan dorm food or curated anything for the next admitted class.

    Perhaps there is a dead pool or other betting option regarding colleges most likely to cut back. Univ of Missouri was only one of the more publicized cases. Others will face pressure from many directions, whether over concern about out of control athletes, idiotic speech codes or other excesses du jour.

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  169. Corvinus says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Easy. Because they largely work. And as social norms, they exist because they are highly functional and so as long as boundaries were defended and maintained, they continued to be highly functional. That there isn't a strict border between day and night, for example, doesn't mean that there isn't a difference between the two, and it can't be used functionally.

    You, like most liberals, can't see past the continuum fallacy. And thus, the resulting paranoia of thinking that standards are being projected by one person is exactly due to the liberal fallacy of self-described identities. The more you feel the need to project, the more you're assuming that others are projecting.

    Nope.

    Once consumed by your religion, can't see past it. It'd be adorable if it wasn't so sad.

    The good news, though, is that this means that we'll inevitably win. Because when you keep trying to push a religion, it only works in defiance of reality for so long. Eventually, functional expressions of Catholicism get replaced by idiotic Children's Crusades. The Left's Children's Crusade is in motion as we speak, and as you spaz out blindly, still trying to argue the talking points from fundamentally incorrect premises.

    “Easy. Because they largely work.”

    According to whom? Again, I ask…How does a person objectively quantify and qualify what is a “true” man and a “true” woman? What are the metrics involved? What makes YOU the expert as to what is ultimately manly or feminine? Why ought men and women strictly adhere to YOUR standards?

    Answer the relevant questions here rather than skirt the issue.

    “And as social norms, they exist because they are highly functional and so as long as boundaries were defended and maintained, they continued to be highly functional.”

    Social norms change. Fifty years ago, it was other than normal for whites and nonwhites to legally marry and have children in the United States. They were prohibited from exercising their freedom of association through law and custom. Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?

    “You, like most liberals, can’t see past the continuum fallacy.”

    Sorry to disappoint you. I’m not a liberal nor a leftist. Just an educated white American married man with children who is able to make his own decisions about race and culture.

    “The good news, though, is that this means that we’ll inevitably win. Because when you keep trying to push a religion, it only works in defiance of reality for so long.”

    First, liberalism is not a religion. Second, you have YOUR version of reality. Your side may win, or may not win. You don’t know.

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    Social norms change. Fifty years ago, it was other than normal for whites and nonwhites to legally marry and have children in the United States. They were prohibited from exercising their freedom of association through law and custom. Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?
    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right. If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake. Freedom of association shouldnt be a one way street. If blacks are so outraged about being considered inferior then perhaps they should stop demanding lowered standards for their group (banning IQ tests, disparate impact, affirmative action, quotas) etc.
  170. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jim Don Bob
    Murray lives in a white-bread rural town near Frederick Maryland.

    And yes, people get paid at AEI. David Frum was making $100k before they canned him for not showing up.

    But he plays poker with diverse folks at an Indian reservation nearby.

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  171. @John Cunningham
    99% likely he has zrto interest in chicks, being a peter-puffer.

    He has a very ardent interest in the President of Middlebury College, just not an amorous one.

    She’s not so enamored of him.

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  172. @Buzz Mohawk
    You can't do that, because disparate impact.

    Your approach would solve many, many problems in education, but it will never happen.

    Never is a long time.

    If it starts impacting the bottom line, change will come so fast it will make your head spin.

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  173. @Jim Don Bob
    Laurie L. Patton is gonna have to have a sex change to grow a pair. There does seem to be a man in her life, one Shalom Goldman.

    http://www.middlebury.edu/newpresident/640293

    Laurie L. Patton is gonna have to have a sex change to grow a pair.

    So your theory is that if she had a pair she’d be using them to defend free speech?

    Fat chance. She set the tone with her content-free virtue-signaling condemnation of Murray, and her minions took it from there. She’s just embarrassed now that they took it too far and someone got hurt and some not-so-sympathetic eyes are seeing what kind of racket she’s been running.

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  174. @RadicalCenter
    She's actually physically fighting him? No, I didn't think so. Let her physically fight a man or woman at least her size and strength, with no help from a mob, and see how brave and tough she is.

    Let’s just say it wouldn’t be wise to put your money on Murray if it came to that. Anyway, she didn’t need to fight, she had a decent-sized mob for that. A mob that she herself had egged on.

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  175. @eah
    I meant coward in the sense she should have just said something like 'Mr Murray should be allowed the opportunity to speak, whether you personally agree with his views or not -- so please do not further disturb his appearance -- those who fail to comply with this simple request will be dealt with by campus police' -- instead she had to virtue-signal/approval-seek.

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/836506262737125377

    And I’m saying that the reason she didn’t say that has nothing to do with courage or lack thereof.

    She’s substantially in sympathy with the students who disrupted the talk, and made sure to give them the implicit go-ahead to shut him down in her introduction.

    Note: if she weren’t, she would never have been hired to be president.

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    I think both. Lack of courage and a fellow traveler.
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    Note:

    That very professor is on video cheering along the protestors and participating in the chants.
  177. Jefferson says:
    @Anonymous

    Jeez, you would think they would at least cut Charles Murray some slack for being anti-Trump.
     
    And having a daughter (from his first marriage to a Thai woman) who graduated from Middlebury.

    “And having a daughter (from his first marriage to a Thai woman) who graduated from Middlebury.”

    Gavin McInnes has a Mestiza wife and he is still labeled a White Nationalist/White Supremacist/Nazi by the Left.

    The Left throws those labels at anybody who is to the political Right of The Democratic Party. They have become extremely meaningless labels.

    99% of people who are labeled White supremacists by the Left are not literally actual White supremacists who want to bring back the Holocaust and the trans-atlantic African slave trade.

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  178. No free speech for fascists – which simply means these fascists aren’t for free speech.

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  179. @jon
    Given that a LinkedIn profile is essentially a publicly accessible CV, you would think she would proofread the damn thing.

    Also, as others have pointed out, she is the bastard child of the SWPL website and the Portlandia TV show. If you wrote here as a character, people would say tone it down.

    [Emma Ronai-Durning] is the bastard child of the SWPL website and the Portlandia TV show. If you wrote here as a character, people would say tone it down.

    She appears to be the legitimate child of a pediatric cardiologist. Also the sister of a Tesla employee, if Google is any indication.

    The Portlandia show seemed mainly about gently teasing an artistic/hippy community characterized by lack of motivation (these people are becoming rare in Portland in 2017). Miss Ronai-Durning is more your tech overlord/Tiger Mom type. Different animals entirely.

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  180. Dwright says:

    There was a tv interview years ago (60 minutes?) where parts were done in his local diner to show his common touch.
    Murray is no boomer, born in 1943.

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  181. @Seneca44
    You forgot that the coastal people all starved because they need the middle Americans to grow their food.

    You forgot that the coastal people all starved because they need the middle Americans to grow their food.

    California is the top ag-producing state in the union.

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  182. WR says:
    @Lot
    I have the admire the cleverness of the close: "Hey you spoiled brats, we're going to another room where you will be locked out, enjoy a livestream here in the auditorium, tweet us your questions."

    Everyone the left likes to shut down on campus should plan on doing the same and insist that such a contingency is in place before wasting their time going to a left-wing campus.

    The brats seem to be unable to do a synchronized reading of their statement, so it just came out as gibberish. Maybe do a trial run next time guys!

    “Everyone the left likes to shut down on campus should plan on doing the same and insist that such a contingency is in place before wasting their time going to a left-wing campus.”

    Do you know any right-wing campus?

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    Do you know any right-wing campus?
     
    Bob Jones University comes to mind: http://www.bju.edu/

    I was going to suggest The Citadel, as well. But then I visited their website: http://www.citadel.edu/root/
  183. @Daniel Chieh
    They should have kicked out the hecklers to another room where they could boo his livestream.

    They should have kicked out the hecklers to another room where they could boo his livestream.

    Would yield:

    As usual, the face of Emmanuel Goldstein, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience … People were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the tops of their voices in an effort to drown the maddening bleating voice that came from the screen.

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  184. @Formerly CARealist
    He's a self-described libertarian. once in a discussion someone asked him for some solutions to a particular social problem. He said,"I'm a libertarian, I don't believe in solutions."

    Now he may not always abide by that philosophy, but it sure did make me think.

    He’s a self-described libertarian. once in a discussion someone asked him for some solutions to a particular social problem. He said,”I’m a libertarian, I don’t believe in solutions.”

    Libertarianism is a theory of government. (Mis-)applying it to society as a whole is how we got into this mess.

    Those are his own chickens that came to roost on his car at Middlebury.

    To be clear: he’s been a pussy for twenty years, which is why the (female) Middlebury president felt the need to express her contempt to his face before he spoke a word*. His bugging out to avoid that crowd wasn’t cowardly in the least. He was in real danger.

    * – which is an 8th-grade Queen Bee thing to do. Hence “chick”. She doesn’t want to be called a chick she shouldn’t act like one.

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    Lots of "solutions" to problems usually mean hang on to your wallet because we've got a big gov't program coming. My city spends ridiculous sums on the homeless and the problem never seems to go away, for instance. Also, putting drug offenders into "treatment" never accomplishes anything either. A friend's ex was always in "treatment" and he just eventually died. That was how he got clean.

    So I think that's what Murray was getting at and I pretty much agree.

    And if by "pussy" you meant a little kitty, then yes, you're right. If you're being intentionally crude, then remember that you referred to yourself as a pastor at one point. Or maybe someone else is using your handle now.
  185. Murray was vehemently anti-Trump despite knowing full well what a disaster 50+ years of open borders 3rd world immigration has been for the U.S. Screw that guy.

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  186. @WR
    "Everyone the left likes to shut down on campus should plan on doing the same and insist that such a contingency is in place before wasting their time going to a left-wing campus."

    Do you know any right-wing campus?

    Do you know any right-wing campus?

    Bob Jones University comes to mind: http://www.bju.edu/

    I was going to suggest The Citadel, as well. But then I visited their website: http://www.citadel.edu/root/

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  187. BB753 says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/638675440933175296

    Charles Murray is a baby boomer boob who has supported mass immigration and multicultural mayhem his whole life. Charles Murray is anti-Trump. Charles Murray is a Scotch-Irish fool who says a Neo-Con shyster columnist named Bret Stephens who writes for the Neo-Con Wall Street Journal speaks for him in regards to President Trump.

    GO TO HELL CHARLES MURRAY, YOU BABY BOOMER SLOB

    Just some fact-checking: Murray was born in 1943. So he’s not really a baby boomer.

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    Considering the Boom happened directly after the war, and '43 was two years before the end of WWII, is that really a significant difference? Do we measure these arbitrary generational divisions that strictly? I mean, the Baby Boom was a genuine demographic happening, and its beginning is less arbitrary than divisions between other generations.* But I think we can presume Murray experienced much the same world as experienced by true boomers born three years later.

    He grew up alongside the boomers. He came of age in the Boring 50s, went to college in the Stupid 60s, lived through the Me Decade and the Greedy 80s, published his heresy in the PC 90s, etc. Just like a boomer.

    *Take me, whom was born in '82. Generation X supposedly stopped around then. I grew up lumped together with those flannel-clad slackers. No, actually, I was first referred to as Generation X, then they switched it to Generation Y, the clever bastards. But Gen Y disappeared down the memory hole, and suddenly we (they?) were millennials. I say "we" because I graduated high school in 2000, and therefore was barely an adult before the New Millennium happened.

    Now, what am I? X, Y, millennial? Who cares? There's no difference. Unlike with the people Murray grew up 2 or 3 years older than.
  188. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Frau Katze
    I think Murray is tired of being the co-author of The Bell Curve. He's an unperson now, and he hates it. The elite crowd freezes him out. Not invited to the cool parties.

    Sure, he was against Trump, in a desperate attempt to shed his pariah status.

    It won't work of course. There's no way back for him.

    I'd admire him a lot more if he stuck to his principles.

    But then he'd have no better gig than writing a blog like our host.

    Yes, Murray is big disappointment.

    He thought he could write the Bell Curve and still be welcomed in polite society.

    He was wrong.

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  189. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Desiderius
    And I'm saying that the reason she didn't say that has nothing to do with courage or lack thereof.

    She's substantially in sympathy with the students who disrupted the talk, and made sure to give them the implicit go-ahead to shut him down in her introduction.

    Note: if she weren't, she would never have been hired to be president.

    I think both. Lack of courage and a fellow traveler.

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    So if she were courageous she would have torn out Murray's heart and eaten it on the stage? What's your point?
  190. gregor says:
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Why is protesting so fashionable? They obviously don’t know much about Murray,
     
    Exactly.

    Murray's the epitome of the cuckservative. So screw Charles Murray.

    Yeah, he wrote The Bell Curve, but he has spent the 20 years since denouncing "racism" and "hate", and accusing people to his right of the same.

    And he's still treated like the resurrection of Adolf Hitler.

    This is so great!

    I do roll my eyes when he talks about Trump’s lack of decorum or heaps effusive praise on guys like Jonah Goldberg, but I think his work speaks for itself.

    The Bell Curve, Losing Ground, Human Accomplishment, and Coming Apart are all excellent. And contrary to what you suggest he’s never really repudiated his most controversial material even though he’s taken a lot of heat. Most conservatives have been saying that if only we injected some free market competition into the school system and broke up the teachers’ unions we would see minority children blossom academically. Murray meanwhile is one of the few who’s willing to say Perry Preschool and Abecedarian Project are way overhyped and unscalable, that the Pygmalion effect is bogus, etc. Those aren’t easy things to argue publicly.

    The material in the Bell Curve and Human Accomplishment might often lead people toward so-called white nationalism which is why Murray gets branded with that label. But he himself doesn’t actually draw those conclusions. Thinking back, I myself at one point had read the Bell Curve and found the data convincing, yet simultaneously supported high immigration because I believed it was “good for the economy.”

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    The problem is akin to the problem with W. He played exactly zero offense against the people who were falsely attacking him. The ultimate victims of his fecklessness were the lesser scholars purged by those emboldened by the lack of consequences for their false attacks.
  191. guest says:
    @BB753
    Just some fact-checking: Murray was born in 1943. So he's not really a baby boomer.

    Considering the Boom happened directly after the war, and ’43 was two years before the end of WWII, is that really a significant difference? Do we measure these arbitrary generational divisions that strictly? I mean, the Baby Boom was a genuine demographic happening, and its beginning is less arbitrary than divisions between other generations.* But I think we can presume Murray experienced much the same world as experienced by true boomers born three years later.

    He grew up alongside the boomers. He came of age in the Boring 50s, went to college in the Stupid 60s, lived through the Me Decade and the Greedy 80s, published his heresy in the PC 90s, etc. Just like a boomer.

    *Take me, whom was born in ’82. Generation X supposedly stopped around then. I grew up lumped together with those flannel-clad slackers. No, actually, I was first referred to as Generation X, then they switched it to Generation Y, the clever bastards. But Gen Y disappeared down the memory hole, and suddenly we (they?) were millennials. I say “we” because I graduated high school in 2000, and therefore was barely an adult before the New Millennium happened.

    Now, what am I? X, Y, millennial? Who cares? There’s no difference. Unlike with the people Murray grew up 2 or 3 years older than.

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    Of course, all generations are arbitrary. You mention Murray grew up with Boomers and became one of them. How do we know he did not in fact grow up with people slightly older than himself, of the Silent Generation? When you go on to do post-graduate work, you'll find yourself surrounded with students a bit older than you, with whom you'll socialize and eventually come to identify more than with your own cohort.
    I mention this a Gen Xer who usually hung around late Boomers in his youth.
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  193. @lavoisier
    I think both. Lack of courage and a fellow traveler.

    So if she were courageous she would have torn out Murray’s heart and eaten it on the stage? What’s your point?

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  194. @gregor
    I do roll my eyes when he talks about Trump's lack of decorum or heaps effusive praise on guys like Jonah Goldberg, but I think his work speaks for itself.

    The Bell Curve, Losing Ground, Human Accomplishment, and Coming Apart are all excellent. And contrary to what you suggest he's never really repudiated his most controversial material even though he's taken a lot of heat. Most conservatives have been saying that if only we injected some free market competition into the school system and broke up the teachers' unions we would see minority children blossom academically. Murray meanwhile is one of the few who's willing to say Perry Preschool and Abecedarian Project are way overhyped and unscalable, that the Pygmalion effect is bogus, etc. Those aren't easy things to argue publicly.

    The material in the Bell Curve and Human Accomplishment might often lead people toward so-called white nationalism which is why Murray gets branded with that label. But he himself doesn't actually draw those conclusions. Thinking back, I myself at one point had read the Bell Curve and found the data convincing, yet simultaneously supported high immigration because I believed it was "good for the economy."

    The problem is akin to the problem with W. He played exactly zero offense against the people who were falsely attacking him. The ultimate victims of his fecklessness were the lesser scholars purged by those emboldened by the lack of consequences for their false attacks.

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  195. @Desiderius

    Note: I am not endorsing either Murray’s or Trump’s views: I am personally a Thoreauist.
     
    This gets you worse than nowhere.

    Unless the Murrayists and Trumpists and Thoreauists hang together we'll certainly hang separately.

    Desiderius wrote to me:

    Unless the Murrayists and Trumpists and Thoreauists hang together we’ll certainly hang separately.

    Oh, I certainly think the way Murray was treated was contemptible, partly because I find him interesting, but mainly because I support freedom of speech whether or not I agree with the speaker.

    I was merely pointing out that I do in fact disagree with many (not all) of Murray’s views.

    Dave

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    I was merely pointing out that I do in fact disagree with many (not all) of Murray’s views.
     
    And the square root of 49 is 7. Your disclaimer does no one any good.
  196. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am personally a Thoreauist.
     
    You’re a Thoreauist? Thoreauism was tried in the 19th century and failed. Wasn’t Walden Pond Thoreauist? It failed.

    Jenner I. E. wrote to me:

    Thoreauism was tried in the 19th century and failed. Wasn’t Walden Pond Thoreauist? It failed.

    Thoreau only spent a couple years at the Pond, and it was within comfortable walking distance of Concord: think of it as a brief sabbatical.

    In any case, I was referring to the famous “Essay on Civil Disobedience,” which is a fairly good summary of my own views (note: the spin given on that essay by people who have not read it is almost entirely wrong).

    Dave

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  197. dr kill says:
    @eah
    People should read Murray's twitter feed about this:

    @charlesmurray.

    I did read his feed, down to the part about robotics. Reminded me about the joke where they painted all the robots black.

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    Looks like his son got the balls that pops is missing, but missed out on the brains.
  198. @Corvinus
    "Easy. Because they largely work."

    According to whom? Again, I ask...How does a person objectively quantify and qualify what is a "true" man and a "true" woman? What are the metrics involved? What makes YOU the expert as to what is ultimately manly or feminine? Why ought men and women strictly adhere to YOUR standards?

    Answer the relevant questions here rather than skirt the issue.

    "And as social norms, they exist because they are highly functional and so as long as boundaries were defended and maintained, they continued to be highly functional."

    Social norms change. Fifty years ago, it was other than normal for whites and nonwhites to legally marry and have children in the United States. They were prohibited from exercising their freedom of association through law and custom. Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?

    "You, like most liberals, can’t see past the continuum fallacy."

    Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not a liberal nor a leftist. Just an educated white American married man with children who is able to make his own decisions about race and culture.

    "The good news, though, is that this means that we’ll inevitably win. Because when you keep trying to push a religion, it only works in defiance of reality for so long."

    First, liberalism is not a religion. Second, you have YOUR version of reality. Your side may win, or may not win. You don't know.

    Social norms change. Fifty years ago, it was other than normal for whites and nonwhites to legally marry and have children in the United States. They were prohibited from exercising their freedom of association through law and custom. Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?
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    We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right. If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake. Freedom of association shouldnt be a one way street. If blacks are so outraged about being considered inferior then perhaps they should stop demanding lowered standards for their group (banning IQ tests, disparate impact, affirmative action, quotas) etc.

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    "We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right."

    First, who is "we"?

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    Third, recall that the Plessy case that made legal segregation clearly stated "separate but equal". Southrons couldn't even get that right by clearly making it other than equal, from public accommodations to public schooling, which necessitated federal intervention.

    Fourth, it had been illegal for southern whites who desired to associate with blacks in a manner they personally saw fit. Where was justice for those southern whites?

    "If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake."

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from "making that mistake".

  199. @Bill

    At the very least he should have picked it up from the rural blue collar neighbors he pats himself on the back for deigning to live among.
     
    Is this a real thing? Murray lives among rural blue collar people? No security? No gates?

    It’s definitely a real thing, but I’m not sure how honest he is being. He weirdly bragged about it back when his Astounding Insight ™ that the so-called elites tend to live in the same small areas and the “Do you live in a bubble” quiz were making the rounds. I can’t confirm whether there is security or whether he is truly “among” the blue collar people. He probably lives on a “gentleman’s farm”. In which case there is most definitely a gate. But he said with some measure of pride in his non-bubble-ness that his kids go to school with auto mechanics kids and HVAC techs kids. This is the town he claims to live in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkittsville,_Maryland. Pop ~150, (99.7% White). I am guessing he lives on somewhere around 10 acres slightly outside the town.

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  200. Twinkie says:
    @Daniel H
    >>It’s probably the best intensive (total immersion) foreign language program available to civilians.

    And it's still probably a waste of time and money. For 99% of us, the only way to learn a foreign language is to get stranded in some foreign locale where one is compelled to learn the local idiom for survival. If there are any still out there, maybe some rural outback where the internet has not yet penetrated would do.

    And it’s still probably a waste of time and money.

    For you, maybe… with that kind of attitude.*

    For 99% of us, the only way to learn a foreign language is to get stranded in some foreign locale where one is compelled to learn the local idiom for survival.

    Middlebury’s summer program *is* total immersion. You are not allowed to use English (back a couple of decades ago, you were allowed two lapses and then you were out). It won’t make you fluent in a couple of months, but it is easily the equivalent of learning a foreign language in a typical American classroom setting for 2-3 years.

    If there are any still out there, maybe some rural outback where the internet has not yet penetrated would do.

    Skype is FANTASTIC for learning and maintaining language proficiency. I use it. My children use it. We are multilingual.

    *I know Americans who lived overseas for several years who never picked up the local languages. If you don’t try, nothing can help you. Not even total immersion.

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    How can it possibly be total immersion? Do they lock you up in a room all summer? Presumably these kids go home after class and live in a world surrounded by English. It's only total immersion if you're in a foreign land where no one speaks your tongue.
  201. Twinkie says:
    @Hunsdon
    I can't speak to Middlebury, but DLI-FLC does a stellar job of language training.

    I can’t speak to Middlebury, but DLI-FLC does a stellar job of language training.

    1. Yes.

    2. To repeat, Middlebury offers that best total immersion program available to civilians.

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  202. BB753 says:
    @guest
    Considering the Boom happened directly after the war, and '43 was two years before the end of WWII, is that really a significant difference? Do we measure these arbitrary generational divisions that strictly? I mean, the Baby Boom was a genuine demographic happening, and its beginning is less arbitrary than divisions between other generations.* But I think we can presume Murray experienced much the same world as experienced by true boomers born three years later.

    He grew up alongside the boomers. He came of age in the Boring 50s, went to college in the Stupid 60s, lived through the Me Decade and the Greedy 80s, published his heresy in the PC 90s, etc. Just like a boomer.

    *Take me, whom was born in '82. Generation X supposedly stopped around then. I grew up lumped together with those flannel-clad slackers. No, actually, I was first referred to as Generation X, then they switched it to Generation Y, the clever bastards. But Gen Y disappeared down the memory hole, and suddenly we (they?) were millennials. I say "we" because I graduated high school in 2000, and therefore was barely an adult before the New Millennium happened.

    Now, what am I? X, Y, millennial? Who cares? There's no difference. Unlike with the people Murray grew up 2 or 3 years older than.

    Of course, all generations are arbitrary. You mention Murray grew up with Boomers and became one of them. How do we know he did not in fact grow up with people slightly older than himself, of the Silent Generation? When you go on to do post-graduate work, you’ll find yourself surrounded with students a bit older than you, with whom you’ll socialize and eventually come to identify more than with your own cohort.
    I mention this a Gen Xer who usually hung around late Boomers in his youth.

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    My post wasn't rely about their arbitrariness so much as not being overly strict about the cutoffs. Because the Baby Boom really isn't all that arbitrary, relative to Gen X or the millennials. Because it was a genuine demographic phenomenon, and the others weren't, as I said. Murray was only a couple of years off, so I don't see why we should quibble.

    He could have grown up around newborns or octogenarians, for all I know. But then again, so could have someone born in '46 or '50. And graduate school isn't like living in a cave. He would've still been surrounded by the larger culture, and known at least a distorted picture of what people around his age acted like and were aware of. Unless he had some sort of Rip Van Winkle experience.
  203. @Desiderius

    He’s a self-described libertarian. once in a discussion someone asked him for some solutions to a particular social problem. He said,”I’m a libertarian, I don’t believe in solutions.”
     
    Libertarianism is a theory of government. (Mis-)applying it to society as a whole is how we got into this mess.

    Those are his own chickens that came to roost on his car at Middlebury.

    To be clear: he's been a pussy for twenty years, which is why the (female) Middlebury president felt the need to express her contempt to his face before he spoke a word*. His bugging out to avoid that crowd wasn't cowardly in the least. He was in real danger.

    * - which is an 8th-grade Queen Bee thing to do. Hence "chick". She doesn't want to be called a chick she shouldn't act like one.

    Lots of “solutions” to problems usually mean hang on to your wallet because we’ve got a big gov’t program coming. My city spends ridiculous sums on the homeless and the problem never seems to go away, for instance. Also, putting drug offenders into “treatment” never accomplishes anything either. A friend’s ex was always in “treatment” and he just eventually died. That was how he got clean.

    So I think that’s what Murray was getting at and I pretty much agree.

    And if by “pussy” you meant a little kitty, then yes, you’re right. If you’re being intentionally crude, then remember that you referred to yourself as a pastor at one point. Or maybe someone else is using your handle now.

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    Lots of “solutions” to problems usually mean hang on to your wallet because we’ve got a big gov’t program coming.

     

    No government solutions DNE no solutions at all. We have institutions other than government, after all, or we would have if libertarians hadn't let them go to seed in a misguided attempt to apply a theory of government to a whole society.

    If you’re being intentionally crude, then remember that you referred to yourself as a pastor at one point.
     
    I was once one professionally, and it is a ministry into which we are all called at various stages of life (pastoral care). My admonition to Murray was much more prophetic than pastoral, in the vein of Jeremiah or Hosea.

    If "pussy" is too crude for you, I wouldn't recommend the Old Testament.
  204. @Lot
    I have the admire the cleverness of the close: "Hey you spoiled brats, we're going to another room where you will be locked out, enjoy a livestream here in the auditorium, tweet us your questions."

    Everyone the left likes to shut down on campus should plan on doing the same and insist that such a contingency is in place before wasting their time going to a left-wing campus.

    The brats seem to be unable to do a synchronized reading of their statement, so it just came out as gibberish. Maybe do a trial run next time guys!

    I have the admire the cleverness of the close: “Hey you spoiled brats, we’re going to another room where you will be locked out, enjoy a livestream here in the auditorium, tweet us your questions.”

    The usual response to that tactic is to pull the fire alarms, or in a pinch to call in a bomb threat from a pay phone.

    If you aren’t willing to arrest the rioters, you’re just depending on their stupidity or lack of imagination to allow you to have any kind of life at all. If they’re determined and organized and you aren’t willing to beat them down and arrest them, then they own you. Period.

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  205. guest says:
    @Twinkie

    And it’s still probably a waste of time and money.
     
    For you, maybe... with that kind of attitude.*

    For 99% of us, the only way to learn a foreign language is to get stranded in some foreign locale where one is compelled to learn the local idiom for survival.
     
    Middlebury's summer program *is* total immersion. You are not allowed to use English (back a couple of decades ago, you were allowed two lapses and then you were out). It won't make you fluent in a couple of months, but it is easily the equivalent of learning a foreign language in a typical American classroom setting for 2-3 years.

    If there are any still out there, maybe some rural outback where the internet has not yet penetrated would do.
     
    Skype is FANTASTIC for learning and maintaining language proficiency. I use it. My children use it. We are multilingual.

    *I know Americans who lived overseas for several years who never picked up the local languages. If you don't try, nothing can help you. Not even total immersion.

    How can it possibly be total immersion? Do they lock you up in a room all summer? Presumably these kids go home after class and live in a world surrounded by English. It’s only total immersion if you’re in a foreign land where no one speaks your tongue.

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    How can it possibly be total immersion? Do they lock you up in a room all summer? Presumably these kids go home after class and live in a world surrounded by English.
     
    You stay on campus and have to use the language of instruction... for everything. I don't know what the current policy is, but years ago, two lapses into English sent you packing, no refunds. Most graduates were able to pick up 2-3 years worth of competency in one summer.

    It was (and probably still is) an excellent program for civilians. It's not quite DFIFLC, but .mil/.gov has resources that Middlebury doesn't.
  206. […] Here’s why I’m blogging this. As noted in a roundup of press reports by the Unz Review: […]

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  207. @PhysicistDave
    Desiderius wrote to me:

    Unless the Murrayists and Trumpists and Thoreauists hang together we’ll certainly hang separately.
     
    Oh, I certainly think the way Murray was treated was contemptible, partly because I find him interesting, but mainly because I support freedom of speech whether or not I agree with the speaker.

    I was merely pointing out that I do in fact disagree with many (not all) of Murray's views.

    Dave

    I was merely pointing out that I do in fact disagree with many (not all) of Murray’s views.

    And the square root of 49 is 7. Your disclaimer does no one any good.

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    Desiderius wrote to me:

    Your disclaimer does no one any good.
     
    I am not trying to do any one any good.

    I am merely trying to tell the truth. If enough people simple tell the truth, the world changes. That is what evil men fear.

    Dave

  208. @Formerly CARealist
    Lots of "solutions" to problems usually mean hang on to your wallet because we've got a big gov't program coming. My city spends ridiculous sums on the homeless and the problem never seems to go away, for instance. Also, putting drug offenders into "treatment" never accomplishes anything either. A friend's ex was always in "treatment" and he just eventually died. That was how he got clean.

    So I think that's what Murray was getting at and I pretty much agree.

    And if by "pussy" you meant a little kitty, then yes, you're right. If you're being intentionally crude, then remember that you referred to yourself as a pastor at one point. Or maybe someone else is using your handle now.

    Lots of “solutions” to problems usually mean hang on to your wallet because we’ve got a big gov’t program coming.

    No government solutions DNE no solutions at all. We have institutions other than government, after all, or we would have if libertarians hadn’t let them go to seed in a misguided attempt to apply a theory of government to a whole society.

    If you’re being intentionally crude, then remember that you referred to yourself as a pastor at one point.

    I was once one professionally, and it is a ministry into which we are all called at various stages of life (pastoral care). My admonition to Murray was much more prophetic than pastoral, in the vein of Jeremiah or Hosea.

    If “pussy” is too crude for you, I wouldn’t recommend the Old Testament.

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  209. @dr kill
    I did read his feed, down to the part about robotics. Reminded me about the joke where they painted all the robots black.

    Looks like his son got the balls that pops is missing, but missed out on the brains.

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  210. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    Social norms change. Fifty years ago, it was other than normal for whites and nonwhites to legally marry and have children in the United States. They were prohibited from exercising their freedom of association through law and custom. Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?
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    We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right. If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake. Freedom of association shouldnt be a one way street. If blacks are so outraged about being considered inferior then perhaps they should stop demanding lowered standards for their group (banning IQ tests, disparate impact, affirmative action, quotas) etc.

    “We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right.”

    First, who is “we”?

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    Third, recall that the Plessy case that made legal segregation clearly stated “separate but equal”. Southrons couldn’t even get that right by clearly making it other than equal, from public accommodations to public schooling, which necessitated federal intervention.

    Fourth, it had been illegal for southern whites who desired to associate with blacks in a manner they personally saw fit. Where was justice for those southern whites?

    “If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake.”

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from “making that mistake”.

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    Corvinus wrote:

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from “making that mistake”.
     
    Yes, indeed, and that was a violation of individual liberty -- freedom of association and all that, as the courts (eventually) ruled.

    Corvinus also wrote:

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.
     
    Well... no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a "public accommodation" is illegal under the 1964 Act.

    Look: I remember Jim Crow from when I was a small child -- I clearly remember my mom having to drag me around to the other side of a big department store to the "white people's" restroom (we were right next to the "black people's" restroom, and I just wanted to use the nearest restroom!). I thought that was stupid then as a small child, and I still think it was stupid.

    But, the country flipped from making segregation mandatory to making it prohibited: "What is not allowed is prohibited." Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion.

    Dave
    , @epochehusserl
    1. We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right.”

    First, who is “we”?
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    The people that you address this question to: Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?

    2. Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    The public accommodation clause of the civil rights act 0f 1964 invalidates that. On numerous occasions you have celebrated the fact that whites do not have freedom of association. Why contradict that now?

    3. Third, recall that the Plessy case that made legal segregation clearly stated “separate but equal”. Southrons couldn’t even get that right by clearly making it other than equal, from public accommodations to public schooling, which necessitated federal intervention.
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    Black people and white people will never have equal anything without federal intervention because of the intelligence gap between the races, which is tacitly admitted by the doctrine of disparate impact.

    4. Fourth, it had been illegal for southern whites who desired to associate with blacks in a manner they personally saw fit. Where was justice for those southern whites?

    “If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake.”

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from “making that mistake”.
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    There is no justice for northern whites such as myself who want nothing to do with blacks. Unlike yourself, I believe in freedom of association for everyone.
    , @ben tillman

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.
     
    Congratulations! I believe you just achieved a personal record on the mendacity scale.
  211. guest says:
    @BB753
    Of course, all generations are arbitrary. You mention Murray grew up with Boomers and became one of them. How do we know he did not in fact grow up with people slightly older than himself, of the Silent Generation? When you go on to do post-graduate work, you'll find yourself surrounded with students a bit older than you, with whom you'll socialize and eventually come to identify more than with your own cohort.
    I mention this a Gen Xer who usually hung around late Boomers in his youth.

    My post wasn’t rely about their arbitrariness so much as not being overly strict about the cutoffs. Because the Baby Boom really isn’t all that arbitrary, relative to Gen X or the millennials. Because it was a genuine demographic phenomenon, and the others weren’t, as I said. Murray was only a couple of years off, so I don’t see why we should quibble.

    He could have grown up around newborns or octogenarians, for all I know. But then again, so could have someone born in ’46 or ’50. And graduate school isn’t like living in a cave. He would’ve still been surrounded by the larger culture, and known at least a distorted picture of what people around his age acted like and were aware of. Unless he had some sort of Rip Van Winkle experience.

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  212. @Desiderius

    I was merely pointing out that I do in fact disagree with many (not all) of Murray’s views.
     
    And the square root of 49 is 7. Your disclaimer does no one any good.

    Desiderius wrote to me:

    Your disclaimer does no one any good.

    I am not trying to do any one any good.

    I am merely trying to tell the truth. If enough people simple tell the truth, the world changes. That is what evil men fear.

    Dave

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    I am not trying to do any one any good.
     
    Never too late to start.

    I am merely trying to tell the truth. If enough people simple tell the truth, the world changes. That is what evil men fear.

     

    Indeed so. That fear is considerably mitigated when the good proudly declare that they're up to no good and insist on diluting their important true statements with trivial ones.
  213. @Corvinus
    "We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right."

    First, who is "we"?

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    Third, recall that the Plessy case that made legal segregation clearly stated "separate but equal". Southrons couldn't even get that right by clearly making it other than equal, from public accommodations to public schooling, which necessitated federal intervention.

    Fourth, it had been illegal for southern whites who desired to associate with blacks in a manner they personally saw fit. Where was justice for those southern whites?

    "If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake."

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from "making that mistake".

    Corvinus wrote:

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from “making that mistake”.

    Yes, indeed, and that was a violation of individual liberty — freedom of association and all that, as the courts (eventually) ruled.

    Corvinus also wrote:

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act.

    Look: I remember Jim Crow from when I was a small child — I clearly remember my mom having to drag me around to the other side of a big department store to the “white people’s” restroom (we were right next to the “black people’s” restroom, and I just wanted to use the nearest restroom!). I thought that was stupid then as a small child, and I still think it was stupid.

    But, the country flipped from making segregation mandatory to making it prohibited: “What is not allowed is prohibited.” Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion.

    Dave

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    "Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act."

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.

    "But, the country flipped from making segregation mandatory to making it prohibited: “What is not allowed is prohibited.”

    Because the other than equal treatment of blacks by southerners--they couldn't even adhere to the ruling of Plessy--required the prohibition.

    ":Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion."

    Common sense to outright deny blacks the right to vote? Human decency to woefully underfund black schools? The problem is that Americans had left things "well alone" to the point that southern governments completely violated the spirit of "separate but equal". Because of THEIR conduct, Jim Crow is never coming back.

    Furthermore, societies are based on "legal coercion". People in a given area, in order to be protected, grant the state the liberty to make laws for their benefit.
  214. @Corvinus
    "We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right."

    First, who is "we"?

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    Third, recall that the Plessy case that made legal segregation clearly stated "separate but equal". Southrons couldn't even get that right by clearly making it other than equal, from public accommodations to public schooling, which necessitated federal intervention.

    Fourth, it had been illegal for southern whites who desired to associate with blacks in a manner they personally saw fit. Where was justice for those southern whites?

    "If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake."

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from "making that mistake".

    1. We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right.”

    First, who is “we”?
    ———————————–
    The people that you address this question to: Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?

    2. Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    The public accommodation clause of the civil rights act 0f 1964 invalidates that. On numerous occasions you have celebrated the fact that whites do not have freedom of association. Why contradict that now?

    3. Third, recall that the Plessy case that made legal segregation clearly stated “separate but equal”. Southrons couldn’t even get that right by clearly making it other than equal, from public accommodations to public schooling, which necessitated federal intervention.
    ————————————————————————————–
    Black people and white people will never have equal anything without federal intervention because of the intelligence gap between the races, which is tacitly admitted by the doctrine of disparate impact.

    4. Fourth, it had been illegal for southern whites who desired to associate with blacks in a manner they personally saw fit. Where was justice for those southern whites?

    “If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake.”

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from “making that mistake”.
    ——————————————————————————-
    There is no justice for northern whites such as myself who want nothing to do with blacks. Unlike yourself, I believe in freedom of association for everyone.

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    "The people that you address this question to: Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?"

    Who specifically are these people?

    "The public accommodation clause of the civil rights act 0f 1964 invalidates that. On numerous occasions you have celebrated the fact that whites do not have freedom of association. Why contradict that now?"

    Americans have the liberty to live where they want. Again, there are all sorts of all-white neighborhoods around our great nation. Feel free to move there.

    "Black people and white people will never have equal anything without federal intervention because of the intelligence gap between the races, which is tacitly admitted by the doctrine of disparate impact."

    Irrelevant to the topic. The discussion centers on political rights here. Southern states had the opportunity to provide equal funding for schools and equal access to public accommodations, albeit separately. On numerous occasions, they completely ignored the intent of Plessy. As a result of their actions, the federal government, through the will of northern and southern citizens, intervened to ensure due process and equal protection under the law.

    "There is no justice for northern whites such as myself who want nothing to do with blacks. Unlike yourself, I believe in freedom of association for everyone."

    Again, you don't have to associate with blacks. Feel free to separate yourself. There is no law against that personal choice.

    "When the civil rights movement was gaining steam many southerners wanted to de-fund public schools entirely and leave it up to the parents so that it the activists could no longer claim that schooling was a “public accomodation” – a strategy that I would agree with."

    Sources?

    "Property taxes pay for schooling, how could the funding be equal when the people are not equal?"

    You argue from a false premise that blacks and whites are other than equal under the Constitution.

    "Yes but we still need protection from black dysfunction and social activists."

    And you are able to "protect" yourself by living in an all-white neighborhood.

    "Why shouldnt whites be able to defend themselves formally?"

    I suggest that you contact your state legislator or your representative in Congress. Or, feel free to run for public office.

    "Blacks dont pay for their own children anyways so why worry about the quality of their schooling?

    SOME blacks. Regardless, our society deems education important for every American citizen.

    "The university I attend announced an internship where explicitly announced they were looking for a black or latino applicant."

    You're going to have to be more specific here.
  215. Corvinus says:
    @PhysicistDave
    Corvinus wrote:

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from “making that mistake”.
     
    Yes, indeed, and that was a violation of individual liberty -- freedom of association and all that, as the courts (eventually) ruled.

    Corvinus also wrote:

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.
     
    Well... no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a "public accommodation" is illegal under the 1964 Act.

    Look: I remember Jim Crow from when I was a small child -- I clearly remember my mom having to drag me around to the other side of a big department store to the "white people's" restroom (we were right next to the "black people's" restroom, and I just wanted to use the nearest restroom!). I thought that was stupid then as a small child, and I still think it was stupid.

    But, the country flipped from making segregation mandatory to making it prohibited: "What is not allowed is prohibited." Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion.

    Dave

    “Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act.”

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.

    “But, the country flipped from making segregation mandatory to making it prohibited: “What is not allowed is prohibited.”

    Because the other than equal treatment of blacks by southerners–they couldn’t even adhere to the ruling of Plessy–required the prohibition.

    “:Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion.”

    Common sense to outright deny blacks the right to vote? Human decency to woefully underfund black schools? The problem is that Americans had left things “well alone” to the point that southern governments completely violated the spirit of “separate but equal”. Because of THEIR conduct, Jim Crow is never coming back.

    Furthermore, societies are based on “legal coercion”. People in a given area, in order to be protected, grant the state the liberty to make laws for their benefit.

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    When the civil rights movement was gaining steam many southerners wanted to de-fund public schools entirely and leave it up to the parents so that it the activists could no longer claim that schooling was a "public accomodation" - a strategy that I would agree with. Property taxes pay for schooling, how could the funding be equal when the people are not equal? Common decency would include not tossing out standardized test and prohibiting private organizations from using IQ tests.

    “Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act.”

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.
    --------------------------------
    Yes but we still need protection from black dysfunction and social activists. Why shouldnt whites be able to defend themselves formally? Blacks dont pay for their own children anyways so why worry about the quality of their schooling?
    , @epochehusserl
    The university I attend announced an internship where explicitly announced they were looking for a black or latino applicant. This is clearly a violation of the civil rights act of 1964. Anti-discrimination laws should apply to everyone or no one. This is something that goes on routinely.
    , @PhysicistDave
    Corvinus wrote to me:

    Common sense to outright deny blacks the right to vote? Human decency to woefully underfund black schools?
     
    Ah, Corvinus! I stated quite clearly that I have opposed Jim Crow all my life.

    I thought it might be fun to see if you are still being your usual mendacious self.

    Yes, you are.
    , @PhysicistDave
    Corvinus wrote to me:

    People in a given area, in order to be protected, grant the state the liberty to make laws for their benefit.
     
    Not me. I've been a Thoreauist, like, forever. Never accepted the legitimacy of any government. Never will.

    But, alas, the governments have taken control of the planet. So, I tolerate them, just as I tolerate mosquitoes. I.e., until, I can get rid of them.
  216. @Corvinus
    "Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act."

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.

    "But, the country flipped from making segregation mandatory to making it prohibited: “What is not allowed is prohibited.”

    Because the other than equal treatment of blacks by southerners--they couldn't even adhere to the ruling of Plessy--required the prohibition.

    ":Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion."

    Common sense to outright deny blacks the right to vote? Human decency to woefully underfund black schools? The problem is that Americans had left things "well alone" to the point that southern governments completely violated the spirit of "separate but equal". Because of THEIR conduct, Jim Crow is never coming back.

    Furthermore, societies are based on "legal coercion". People in a given area, in order to be protected, grant the state the liberty to make laws for their benefit.

    When the civil rights movement was gaining steam many southerners wanted to de-fund public schools entirely and leave it up to the parents so that it the activists could no longer claim that schooling was a “public accomodation” – a strategy that I would agree with. Property taxes pay for schooling, how could the funding be equal when the people are not equal? Common decency would include not tossing out standardized test and prohibiting private organizations from using IQ tests.

    “Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act.”

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.
    ——————————–
    Yes but we still need protection from black dysfunction and social activists. Why shouldnt whites be able to defend themselves formally? Blacks dont pay for their own children anyways so why worry about the quality of their schooling?

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    When the civil rights movement was gaining steam many southerners wanted to de-fund public schools entirely and leave it up to the parents so that it the activists could no longer claim that schooling was a “public accomodation” – a strategy that I would agree with. Property taxes pay for schooling, how could the funding be equal when the people are not equal?
     
    About 100 years ago, when South Carolina was 50-50 black-white, 14 of every 15 dollars that went to black schools came from white taxpayers.
  217. @Corvinus
    "Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act."

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.

    "But, the country flipped from making segregation mandatory to making it prohibited: “What is not allowed is prohibited.”

    Because the other than equal treatment of blacks by southerners--they couldn't even adhere to the ruling of Plessy--required the prohibition.

    ":Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion."

    Common sense to outright deny blacks the right to vote? Human decency to woefully underfund black schools? The problem is that Americans had left things "well alone" to the point that southern governments completely violated the spirit of "separate but equal". Because of THEIR conduct, Jim Crow is never coming back.

    Furthermore, societies are based on "legal coercion". People in a given area, in order to be protected, grant the state the liberty to make laws for their benefit.

    The university I attend announced an internship where explicitly announced they were looking for a black or latino applicant. This is clearly a violation of the civil rights act of 1964. Anti-discrimination laws should apply to everyone or no one. This is something that goes on routinely.

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  218. Svigor says:

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    Lies.

    Third, recall that the Plessy case that made legal segregation clearly stated “separate but equal”. Southrons couldn’t even get that right by clearly making it other than equal, from public accommodations to public schooling, which necessitated federal intervention.

    Same way a wife talking divorce “necessitated” a beating from her husband.

    Fourth, it had been illegal for southern whites who desired to associate with blacks in a manner they personally saw fit. Where was justice for those southern whites?

    Weasel-speak. The way that many whites wanted to associate with blacks (not at all) was perfectly legal. But you have a point, in that the gov’t didn’t stop their unjust and illegitimate interference in people’s lives, but merely reversed the polarity from separation to forced integration.

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.

    No, there are no “white neighborhoods” in a legal sense, on the contrary, they are forbidden by law. There are extensive laws to ensure that non-whites can live anywhere they like. So, more of your lies.

    “:Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion.”

    Common sense to outright deny blacks the right to vote? Human decency to woefully underfund black schools?

    You know that you have no leg to stand on vis-a-vis forced integration, so you change the subject. Wuss.

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  219. @Corvinus
    "We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right."

    First, who is "we"?

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    Third, recall that the Plessy case that made legal segregation clearly stated "separate but equal". Southrons couldn't even get that right by clearly making it other than equal, from public accommodations to public schooling, which necessitated federal intervention.

    Fourth, it had been illegal for southern whites who desired to associate with blacks in a manner they personally saw fit. Where was justice for those southern whites?

    "If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake."

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from "making that mistake".

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    Congratulations! I believe you just achieved a personal record on the mendacity scale.

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    "Congratulations! I believe you just achieved a personal record on the mendacity scale."

    Bennie, there are a host of communities where only white people live among white people.

    "About 100 years ago, when South Carolina was 50-50 black-white, **14 of every 15 dollars that went to black schools came from white taxpayers**."

    Source?

    Now, let us assume this fact you submitted is true. That would be other than surprising, given the fact that white people here at that time would be fairly well-off compared to black people. According to Plessy, public tax dollars were to be used to equally fund white and black schools, regardless of where that money came from. There were vast disparities in state and local funding for teaching and learning between black and white public schools. There were even large differences in funding among white communities. Some white communities and almost all African American communities in the South had to raise private funds in order to start and sustain public schools for their children.
    , @res
    This is truly impressive given Corvinus's previously recognized accomplishments in mendacity. Well done, Corvinus!
  220. @epochehusserl
    When the civil rights movement was gaining steam many southerners wanted to de-fund public schools entirely and leave it up to the parents so that it the activists could no longer claim that schooling was a "public accomodation" - a strategy that I would agree with. Property taxes pay for schooling, how could the funding be equal when the people are not equal? Common decency would include not tossing out standardized test and prohibiting private organizations from using IQ tests.

    “Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act.”

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.
    --------------------------------
    Yes but we still need protection from black dysfunction and social activists. Why shouldnt whites be able to defend themselves formally? Blacks dont pay for their own children anyways so why worry about the quality of their schooling?

    When the civil rights movement was gaining steam many southerners wanted to de-fund public schools entirely and leave it up to the parents so that it the activists could no longer claim that schooling was a “public accomodation” – a strategy that I would agree with. Property taxes pay for schooling, how could the funding be equal when the people are not equal?

    About 100 years ago, when South Carolina was 50-50 black-white, 14 of every 15 dollars that went to black schools came from white taxpayers.

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  221. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    1. We propose getting rid of the civil rights act of 1964 which mandates that whites who want nothing to do with blacks should be denied that right.”

    First, who is “we”?
    -----------------------------------
    The people that you address this question to: Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?

    2. Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.

    The public accommodation clause of the civil rights act 0f 1964 invalidates that. On numerous occasions you have celebrated the fact that whites do not have freedom of association. Why contradict that now?

    3. Third, recall that the Plessy case that made legal segregation clearly stated “separate but equal”. Southrons couldn’t even get that right by clearly making it other than equal, from public accommodations to public schooling, which necessitated federal intervention.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Black people and white people will never have equal anything without federal intervention because of the intelligence gap between the races, which is tacitly admitted by the doctrine of disparate impact.

    4. Fourth, it had been illegal for southern whites who desired to associate with blacks in a manner they personally saw fit. Where was justice for those southern whites?

    “If whites want to associate with blacks they should be free to make that mistake.”

    Except southern whites during Jim Crow were prohibited from “making that mistake”.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    There is no justice for northern whites such as myself who want nothing to do with blacks. Unlike yourself, I believe in freedom of association for everyone.

    “The people that you address this question to: Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?”

    Who specifically are these people?

    “The public accommodation clause of the civil rights act 0f 1964 invalidates that. On numerous occasions you have celebrated the fact that whites do not have freedom of association. Why contradict that now?”

    Americans have the liberty to live where they want. Again, there are all sorts of all-white neighborhoods around our great nation. Feel free to move there.

    “Black people and white people will never have equal anything without federal intervention because of the intelligence gap between the races, which is tacitly admitted by the doctrine of disparate impact.”

    Irrelevant to the topic. The discussion centers on political rights here. Southern states had the opportunity to provide equal funding for schools and equal access to public accommodations, albeit separately. On numerous occasions, they completely ignored the intent of Plessy. As a result of their actions, the federal government, through the will of northern and southern citizens, intervened to ensure due process and equal protection under the law.

    “There is no justice for northern whites such as myself who want nothing to do with blacks. Unlike yourself, I believe in freedom of association for everyone.”

    Again, you don’t have to associate with blacks. Feel free to separate yourself. There is no law against that personal choice.

    “When the civil rights movement was gaining steam many southerners wanted to de-fund public schools entirely and leave it up to the parents so that it the activists could no longer claim that schooling was a “public accomodation” – a strategy that I would agree with.”

    Sources?

    “Property taxes pay for schooling, how could the funding be equal when the people are not equal?”

    You argue from a false premise that blacks and whites are other than equal under the Constitution.

    “Yes but we still need protection from black dysfunction and social activists.”

    And you are able to “protect” yourself by living in an all-white neighborhood.

    “Why shouldnt whites be able to defend themselves formally?”

    I suggest that you contact your state legislator or your representative in Congress. Or, feel free to run for public office.

    “Blacks dont pay for their own children anyways so why worry about the quality of their schooling?

    SOME blacks. Regardless, our society deems education important for every American citizen.

    “The university I attend announced an internship where explicitly announced they were looking for a black or latino applicant.”

    You’re going to have to be more specific here.

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    From Goldman Sach's website
    http://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/why-goldman-sachs/diversity/diversity-us.html

    Goldman Sachs Undergraduate Camp is an interactive multi-day program for Black, Latino/Hispanic, Native American and/or first generation college freshmen and sophomores of all majors.
    --------------------------------------------
    This is clearly a violation of the civil rights act of 1964 as in listing a racial preference for an internship. A violation of my rights as a white man. Either non-discrimination laws should be enforced against everyone or they should not exist.
  222. “Black people and white people will never have equal anything without federal intervention because of the intelligence gap between the races, which is tacitly admitted by the doctrine of disparate impact.”

    Irrelevant to the topic. The discussion centers on political rights here. Southern states had the opportunity to provide equal funding for schools and equal access to public accommodations, albeit separately. On numerous occasions, they completely ignored the intent of Plessy. As a result of their actions, the federal government, through the will of northern and southern citizens, intervened to ensure due process and equal protection under the law.
    ————————————————–
    Its completely relevant to the topic. The people who fund the schools are the property owners, whites own better property because they have higher IQs on average. Their schools are going to be funded better. Tbe school districts themselves are responsible for funding of schools not the state government. People choose where to buy property when they have children. Unequal people will never have equal institutions. Numerous court battles over the years have been fought and have generally struck down the idea of taxing one school district to pay for another. When the Plessy ruling was made schooling was neither free nor compulsory in much of the South.

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  223. Corvinus says:
    @ben tillman

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.
     
    Congratulations! I believe you just achieved a personal record on the mendacity scale.

    “Congratulations! I believe you just achieved a personal record on the mendacity scale.”

    Bennie, there are a host of communities where only white people live among white people.

    “About 100 years ago, when South Carolina was 50-50 black-white, **14 of every 15 dollars that went to black schools came from white taxpayers**.”

    Source?

    Now, let us assume this fact you submitted is true. That would be other than surprising, given the fact that white people here at that time would be fairly well-off compared to black people. According to Plessy, public tax dollars were to be used to equally fund white and black schools, regardless of where that money came from. There were vast disparities in state and local funding for teaching and learning between black and white public schools. There were even large differences in funding among white communities. Some white communities and almost all African American communities in the South had to raise private funds in order to start and sustain public schools for their children.

    Read More
  224. @Corvinus
    "The people that you address this question to: Do you propose going back to this antiquated system?"

    Who specifically are these people?

    "The public accommodation clause of the civil rights act 0f 1964 invalidates that. On numerous occasions you have celebrated the fact that whites do not have freedom of association. Why contradict that now?"

    Americans have the liberty to live where they want. Again, there are all sorts of all-white neighborhoods around our great nation. Feel free to move there.

    "Black people and white people will never have equal anything without federal intervention because of the intelligence gap between the races, which is tacitly admitted by the doctrine of disparate impact."

    Irrelevant to the topic. The discussion centers on political rights here. Southern states had the opportunity to provide equal funding for schools and equal access to public accommodations, albeit separately. On numerous occasions, they completely ignored the intent of Plessy. As a result of their actions, the federal government, through the will of northern and southern citizens, intervened to ensure due process and equal protection under the law.

    "There is no justice for northern whites such as myself who want nothing to do with blacks. Unlike yourself, I believe in freedom of association for everyone."

    Again, you don't have to associate with blacks. Feel free to separate yourself. There is no law against that personal choice.

    "When the civil rights movement was gaining steam many southerners wanted to de-fund public schools entirely and leave it up to the parents so that it the activists could no longer claim that schooling was a “public accomodation” – a strategy that I would agree with."

    Sources?

    "Property taxes pay for schooling, how could the funding be equal when the people are not equal?"

    You argue from a false premise that blacks and whites are other than equal under the Constitution.

    "Yes but we still need protection from black dysfunction and social activists."

    And you are able to "protect" yourself by living in an all-white neighborhood.

    "Why shouldnt whites be able to defend themselves formally?"

    I suggest that you contact your state legislator or your representative in Congress. Or, feel free to run for public office.

    "Blacks dont pay for their own children anyways so why worry about the quality of their schooling?

    SOME blacks. Regardless, our society deems education important for every American citizen.

    "The university I attend announced an internship where explicitly announced they were looking for a black or latino applicant."

    You're going to have to be more specific here.

    From Goldman Sach’s website

    http://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/why-goldman-sachs/diversity/diversity-us.html

    Goldman Sachs Undergraduate Camp is an interactive multi-day program for Black, Latino/Hispanic, Native American and/or first generation college freshmen and sophomores of all majors.
    ——————————————–
    This is clearly a violation of the civil rights act of 1964 as in listing a racial preference for an internship. A violation of my rights as a white man. Either non-discrimination laws should be enforced against everyone or they should not exist.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "This is clearly a violation of the civil rights act of 1964 as in listing a racial preference for an internship. A violation of my rights as a white man. Either non-discrimination laws should be enforced against everyone or they should not exist."

    This program is one of several offered by Goldman Sachs. It would appear there is no violation of the law.

    http://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/students-and-graduates/

    Certainly, affirmative action has its troubling aspects, but the program here apparently meets the provisions as stated by that act. I suggest that if you believe your rights have been absolutely violated that you hire a lawyer and file a claim of reverse discrimination. There are lawyers out there willing to take your case.
  225. Svigor says:

    Americans have the liberty to live where they want. Again, there are all sorts of all-white neighborhoods around our great nation. Feel free to move there.

    Care to point out a few? You keep asking others for their sources, well, it’s time you provided some.

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  226. Svigor says:

    Prediction: Corvanus can’t find even 10 all-White neighborhoods, in a country of 320 million people.

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  227. Svigor says:

    “Property taxes pay for schooling, how could the funding be equal when the people are not equal?”

    You argue from a false premise that blacks and whites are other than equal under the Constitution.

    People pay taxes with money, not with their equality under the law. Are you just stupid?

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  228. @PhysicistDave
    Desiderius wrote to me:

    Your disclaimer does no one any good.
     
    I am not trying to do any one any good.

    I am merely trying to tell the truth. If enough people simple tell the truth, the world changes. That is what evil men fear.

    Dave

    I am not trying to do any one any good.

    Never too late to start.

    I am merely trying to tell the truth. If enough people simple tell the truth, the world changes. That is what evil men fear.

    Indeed so. That fear is considerably mitigated when the good proudly declare that they’re up to no good and insist on diluting their important true statements with trivial ones.

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  229. Twinkie says:
    @guest
    How can it possibly be total immersion? Do they lock you up in a room all summer? Presumably these kids go home after class and live in a world surrounded by English. It's only total immersion if you're in a foreign land where no one speaks your tongue.

    How can it possibly be total immersion? Do they lock you up in a room all summer? Presumably these kids go home after class and live in a world surrounded by English.

    You stay on campus and have to use the language of instruction… for everything. I don’t know what the current policy is, but years ago, two lapses into English sent you packing, no refunds. Most graduates were able to pick up 2-3 years worth of competency in one summer.

    It was (and probably still is) an excellent program for civilians. It’s not quite DFIFLC, but .mil/.gov has resources that Middlebury doesn’t.

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  230. @Corvinus
    "Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act."

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.

    "But, the country flipped from making segregation mandatory to making it prohibited: “What is not allowed is prohibited.”

    Because the other than equal treatment of blacks by southerners--they couldn't even adhere to the ruling of Plessy--required the prohibition.

    ":Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion."

    Common sense to outright deny blacks the right to vote? Human decency to woefully underfund black schools? The problem is that Americans had left things "well alone" to the point that southern governments completely violated the spirit of "separate but equal". Because of THEIR conduct, Jim Crow is never coming back.

    Furthermore, societies are based on "legal coercion". People in a given area, in order to be protected, grant the state the liberty to make laws for their benefit.

    Corvinus wrote to me:

    Common sense to outright deny blacks the right to vote? Human decency to woefully underfund black schools?

    Ah, Corvinus! I stated quite clearly that I have opposed Jim Crow all my life.

    I thought it might be fun to see if you are still being your usual mendacious self.

    Yes, you are.

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  231. @Corvinus
    "Well… no. Any attempt to do so that involves anything that can be labeled a “public accommodation” is illegal under the 1964 Act."

    No. If a white man wants to live in a white neighborhood, he is able to do so. There are tens of thousands of them that exist in the United States.

    "But, the country flipped from making segregation mandatory to making it prohibited: “What is not allowed is prohibited.”

    Because the other than equal treatment of blacks by southerners--they couldn't even adhere to the ruling of Plessy--required the prohibition.

    ":Just maybe we could let well enough alone and trust to common sense and human decency to sort things out, without making everything a matter of legal coercion."

    Common sense to outright deny blacks the right to vote? Human decency to woefully underfund black schools? The problem is that Americans had left things "well alone" to the point that southern governments completely violated the spirit of "separate but equal". Because of THEIR conduct, Jim Crow is never coming back.

    Furthermore, societies are based on "legal coercion". People in a given area, in order to be protected, grant the state the liberty to make laws for their benefit.

    Corvinus wrote to me:

    People in a given area, in order to be protected, grant the state the liberty to make laws for their benefit.

    Not me. I’ve been a Thoreauist, like, forever. Never accepted the legitimacy of any government. Never will.

    But, alas, the governments have taken control of the planet. So, I tolerate them, just as I tolerate mosquitoes. I.e., until, I can get rid of them.

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  232. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    From Goldman Sach's website
    http://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/why-goldman-sachs/diversity/diversity-us.html

    Goldman Sachs Undergraduate Camp is an interactive multi-day program for Black, Latino/Hispanic, Native American and/or first generation college freshmen and sophomores of all majors.
    --------------------------------------------
    This is clearly a violation of the civil rights act of 1964 as in listing a racial preference for an internship. A violation of my rights as a white man. Either non-discrimination laws should be enforced against everyone or they should not exist.

    “This is clearly a violation of the civil rights act of 1964 as in listing a racial preference for an internship. A violation of my rights as a white man. Either non-discrimination laws should be enforced against everyone or they should not exist.”

    This program is one of several offered by Goldman Sachs. It would appear there is no violation of the law.

    http://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/students-and-graduates/

    Certainly, affirmative action has its troubling aspects, but the program here apparently meets the provisions as stated by that act. I suggest that if you believe your rights have been absolutely violated that you hire a lawyer and file a claim of reverse discrimination. There are lawyers out there willing to take your case.

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    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    The biggest advocates of the civil rights act (feminists, black agitators) never believe that it applies to themselves. If I am not allowed to list a racial preference then no one else should be able either. Maybe white men should start engaging in civil disobedience with sit ins and such.
    , @Gandydancer
    Corvinus: "This program is one of several offered by Goldman Sachs. It would appear there is no violation of the law... Certainly, affirmative action has its troubling aspects, but the program here apparently meets the provisions as stated by that act. I suggest that if you believe your rights have been absolutely violated that you hire a lawyer and file a claim of reverse discrimination. There are lawyers out there willing to take your case."

    Sure, if I pay them there are lawyers willing to take my money to file lawsuits that will be thrown out of court. The courts are corrupted and even obvious violations of the law, like Goldman Sachs', will be ignored. If Sach's ran a similar ad, but limiting its offer to whites and descendants of Pilgrims you know they would be sued, lose, and have to pay. The fact that you can't rely on the courts to enforce the laws as written and intended is precisely what you mendaciously denying when you claim," It would appear there is no violation of the law... the program here apparently meets the provisions as stated by [the 1964 Civil Right Act]". That's nonsense, and you know it. The law has no such provisions. The CRA never says blacks are protected and whites are not, but it's administered that way in defiance of the text.
  233. @Corvinus
    "This is clearly a violation of the civil rights act of 1964 as in listing a racial preference for an internship. A violation of my rights as a white man. Either non-discrimination laws should be enforced against everyone or they should not exist."

    This program is one of several offered by Goldman Sachs. It would appear there is no violation of the law.

    http://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/students-and-graduates/

    Certainly, affirmative action has its troubling aspects, but the program here apparently meets the provisions as stated by that act. I suggest that if you believe your rights have been absolutely violated that you hire a lawyer and file a claim of reverse discrimination. There are lawyers out there willing to take your case.

    The biggest advocates of the civil rights act (feminists, black agitators) never believe that it applies to themselves. If I am not allowed to list a racial preference then no one else should be able either. Maybe white men should start engaging in civil disobedience with sit ins and such.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "The biggest advocates of the civil rights act (feminists, black agitators) never believe that it applies to themselves."

    The 1964 Civil Rights Act was designed to combat southern states who failed miserably to abide by the ruling in the Plessy case. You ought to blame them for their outright refusal to ensure that the fundamental rights of non-whites would be protected.

    "If I am not allowed to list a racial preference then no one else should be able either."

    Again, you have an opportunity to be employed by Goldman Sachs should you have the qualifications, regardless of your race. Take advantage of it rather than bitterly complain like an old woman.

    "Maybe white men should start engaging in civil disobedience with sit ins and such."

    Why don't you lead the charge? Take direct action. That is your liberty.
  234. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    The biggest advocates of the civil rights act (feminists, black agitators) never believe that it applies to themselves. If I am not allowed to list a racial preference then no one else should be able either. Maybe white men should start engaging in civil disobedience with sit ins and such.

    “The biggest advocates of the civil rights act (feminists, black agitators) never believe that it applies to themselves.”

    The 1964 Civil Rights Act was designed to combat southern states who failed miserably to abide by the ruling in the Plessy case. You ought to blame them for their outright refusal to ensure that the fundamental rights of non-whites would be protected.

    “If I am not allowed to list a racial preference then no one else should be able either.”

    Again, you have an opportunity to be employed by Goldman Sachs should you have the qualifications, regardless of your race. Take advantage of it rather than bitterly complain like an old woman.

    “Maybe white men should start engaging in civil disobedience with sit ins and such.”

    Why don’t you lead the charge? Take direct action. That is your liberty.

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  235. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Prediction: Corvanus can’t find even 10 all-White neighborhoods, in a country of 320 million people.

    Prediction: accurate.

    The burden of proof is on you, Corvanus. You asserted the commonality of all-White neighborhoods, but so far, they seem as real as Santa Claus. I figured you would at least dredge up a few extremely wealthy White neighborhoods, far out of the typical American’s price range.

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    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    Let's go over your beliefs again:
    1. Whites have freedom of association but may not assert it formally.
    2. You believe in equal protection but not for groups you dont like.
    3. You are outraged at blacks being considered inferior but demand lowered standards for blacks.
    4. You believe in group rights rather than individual rights but insist that whites have no right to assert their group interests.
    This comment was directed at Corvanus
    , @Corvinus
    From the 2000 census, the top 10 metro areas (counting only those with > 100,000 people).
    I'm going to give 2 rankings - the overall % of the population that is white, and then the % white among the child (under 18) population. I think the child population is a better indicator, because they are the future of America.

    Top 10 cities, based on percentage white for total population:
    97.3% Altoona, PA
    96.9% Parkersburg, WV
    96.2% Scranton - Wilkes Barre, PA
    95.9% Johnstown, PA
    95.7% Huntington, WV
    95.6% Johnson City - Kingsport, TN
    95.6% Eau Claire, WI
    95.4% Glens Falls, NY
    95.3% Portland, ME
    95.3% St. Cloud, MN

    Top 10 cities, based on percentage white for under-18 population:
    95.9% Glens Falls, NY
    95.8% Parkersburg, WV
    95.8% Altoona, PA
    95.1% Johnstown, PA
    94.5% Huntington, WV
    94.0% Johnson City - Kingsport, TN
    93.9% Scranton - Wilkes Barre, PA
    93.8% Wheeling, WV
    93.5% St. Cloud, MN
    93.5% Cumberland, MD

    Undoubtedly, there are all-white neighborhoods in these cities.
  236. “The biggest advocates of the civil rights act (feminists, black agitators) never believe that it applies to themselves.”

    The 1964 Civil Rights Act was designed to combat southern states who failed miserably to abide by the ruling in the Plessy case. You ought to blame them for their outright refusal to ensure that the fundamental rights of non-whites would be protected.
    ————————————————–
    Equal protection protects everyone or no one at all, it doesnt matter what the 1964 civil rights act was designed to do. Informed liberals are aware of these issues and usually threaten me while they admit the folly of disparate impact. Feminists pull the same such nonsense AKA sexual discrimination is okay only when women do it. See Gramsci. White men should sue more of such people.
    ___________________________________________
    “If I am not allowed to list a racial preference then no one else should be able either.”

    Again, you have an opportunity to be employed by Goldman Sachs should you have the qualifications, regardless of your race. Take advantage of it rather than bitterly complain like an old woman.
    ——————
    Do I have an equal opportunity to list a racial preference in employment as Goldman Sachs or not in an advertisement for employment as a white man? Either racial preferences in employment are ok for everybody or they are not. You are a liar like most black men. Why not just admit that you dont believe in equality but you believe that social activists should be in charge of everything? You never answered the issue as to why society should care so much about black education since blacks as a general rule dont pay for their own children.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Equal protection protects everyone or no one at all, it doesnt matter what the 1964 civil rights act was designed to do."

    Of course this law protects everyone, including yourself.

    "Informed liberals are aware of these issues and usually threaten me while they admit the folly of disparate impact."

    So do you go into your safe space if threatened? Man up.

    "White men should sue more of such people."

    Which is well within your liberty. So, stop crying, and hire a lawyer.

    "Do I have an equal opportunity to list a racial preference in employment as Goldman Sachs or not in an advertisement for employment as a white man?"

    You have an equal opportunity to apply for a position at Goldman Sachs, and they will decide whether you meet their criteria to receive an interview.

    "You are a liar like most black men."

    I am a married white man with children who is able to make his own decisions about race and culture. Why so bitter, bro?

    "You never answered the issue as to why society should care so much about black education since blacks as a general rule dont pay for their own children."

    That is patently false. They pay state taxes that are used for the education of their children.
  237. @Anonymous

    Prediction: Corvanus can’t find even 10 all-White neighborhoods, in a country of 320 million people.
     
    Prediction: accurate.

    The burden of proof is on you, Corvanus. You asserted the commonality of all-White neighborhoods, but so far, they seem as real as Santa Claus. I figured you would at least dredge up a few extremely wealthy White neighborhoods, far out of the typical American's price range.

    Let’s go over your beliefs again:
    1. Whites have freedom of association but may not assert it formally.
    2. You believe in equal protection but not for groups you dont like.
    3. You are outraged at blacks being considered inferior but demand lowered standards for blacks.
    4. You believe in group rights rather than individual rights but insist that whites have no right to assert their group interests.
    This comment was directed at Corvanus

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  238. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    Prediction: Corvanus can’t find even 10 all-White neighborhoods, in a country of 320 million people.
     
    Prediction: accurate.

    The burden of proof is on you, Corvanus. You asserted the commonality of all-White neighborhoods, but so far, they seem as real as Santa Claus. I figured you would at least dredge up a few extremely wealthy White neighborhoods, far out of the typical American's price range.

    From the 2000 census, the top 10 metro areas (counting only those with > 100,000 people).
    I’m going to give 2 rankings – the overall % of the population that is white, and then the % white among the child (under 18) population. I think the child population is a better indicator, because they are the future of America.

    Top 10 cities, based on percentage white for total population:
    97.3% Altoona, PA
    96.9% Parkersburg, WV
    96.2% Scranton – Wilkes Barre, PA
    95.9% Johnstown, PA
    95.7% Huntington, WV
    95.6% Johnson City – Kingsport, TN
    95.6% Eau Claire, WI
    95.4% Glens Falls, NY
    95.3% Portland, ME
    95.3% St. Cloud, MN

    Top 10 cities, based on percentage white for under-18 population:
    95.9% Glens Falls, NY
    95.8% Parkersburg, WV
    95.8% Altoona, PA
    95.1% Johnstown, PA
    94.5% Huntington, WV
    94.0% Johnson City – Kingsport, TN
    93.9% Scranton – Wilkes Barre, PA
    93.8% Wheeling, WV
    93.5% St. Cloud, MN
    93.5% Cumberland, MD

    Undoubtedly, there are all-white neighborhoods in these cities.

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  239. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    “The biggest advocates of the civil rights act (feminists, black agitators) never believe that it applies to themselves.”

    The 1964 Civil Rights Act was designed to combat southern states who failed miserably to abide by the ruling in the Plessy case. You ought to blame them for their outright refusal to ensure that the fundamental rights of non-whites would be protected.
    --------------------------------------------------
    Equal protection protects everyone or no one at all, it doesnt matter what the 1964 civil rights act was designed to do. Informed liberals are aware of these issues and usually threaten me while they admit the folly of disparate impact. Feminists pull the same such nonsense AKA sexual discrimination is okay only when women do it. See Gramsci. White men should sue more of such people.
    ___________________________________________
    “If I am not allowed to list a racial preference then no one else should be able either.”

    Again, you have an opportunity to be employed by Goldman Sachs should you have the qualifications, regardless of your race. Take advantage of it rather than bitterly complain like an old woman.
    ------------------
    Do I have an equal opportunity to list a racial preference in employment as Goldman Sachs or not in an advertisement for employment as a white man? Either racial preferences in employment are ok for everybody or they are not. You are a liar like most black men. Why not just admit that you dont believe in equality but you believe that social activists should be in charge of everything? You never answered the issue as to why society should care so much about black education since blacks as a general rule dont pay for their own children.

    “Equal protection protects everyone or no one at all, it doesnt matter what the 1964 civil rights act was designed to do.”

    Of course this law protects everyone, including yourself.

    “Informed liberals are aware of these issues and usually threaten me while they admit the folly of disparate impact.”

    So do you go into your safe space if threatened? Man up.

    “White men should sue more of such people.”

    Which is well within your liberty. So, stop crying, and hire a lawyer.

    “Do I have an equal opportunity to list a racial preference in employment as Goldman Sachs or not in an advertisement for employment as a white man?”

    You have an equal opportunity to apply for a position at Goldman Sachs, and they will decide whether you meet their criteria to receive an interview.

    “You are a liar like most black men.”

    I am a married white man with children who is able to make his own decisions about race and culture. Why so bitter, bro?

    “You never answered the issue as to why society should care so much about black education since blacks as a general rule dont pay for their own children.”

    That is patently false. They pay state taxes that are used for the education of their children.

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  240. “Do I have an equal opportunity to list a racial preference in employment as Goldman Sachs or not in an advertisement for employment as a white man?”

    You have an equal opportunity to apply for a position at Goldman Sachs, and they will decide whether you meet their criteria to receive an interview.
    ——————————————-
    That wasnt the issue and you know it. The issue is the posting of racial and or sexual preferences for employment or internships. Either all racial or sexual preferences are legitimate or none are. If I am not wanted at Goldman Sachs because I am a white male then let me create my own organization. This is worse than Jim Crow. During Jim Crow blacks were never prevented from forming their own organizations as far as I know of. Roger Clegg has documented this repeatedly on his website.

    http://www.ceousa.org/affirmative-action/affirmative-action-news/affirmative-action-watch/aa-watch-report

    In most instances, the use of preferences on the basis of race or ethnicity in education, employment, or government contracting violates federal law. This is true even in cases of “affirmative action” and “diversity” programs.
    ——————————————————

    “Informed liberals are aware of these issues and usually threaten me while they admit the folly of disparate impact.”

    So do you go into your safe space if threatened? Man up.

    I usually laugh in their face and tell them to go violently occupy a university. Feminists threaten me when I question government funding of daycare as well. Its their religion, so they cant have a sensible discussion on such issues. To the modern progressive MLK is more sacred than christ.

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  241. res says:
    @ben tillman

    Second, whites today who want nothing to do with blacks have the liberty not to live near or among them, or even interact with them.
     
    Congratulations! I believe you just achieved a personal record on the mendacity scale.

    This is truly impressive given Corvinus’s previously recognized accomplishments in mendacity. Well done, Corvinus!

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  242. @wren
    The "protesters" hurt the professor who was interviewing him.

    http://www.addisonindependent.com/201703middlebury-college-professor-injured-protesters-she-escorted-controversial-speaker

    Note:

    That very professor is on video cheering along the protestors and participating in the chants.

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  243. @Corvinus
    "This is clearly a violation of the civil rights act of 1964 as in listing a racial preference for an internship. A violation of my rights as a white man. Either non-discrimination laws should be enforced against everyone or they should not exist."

    This program is one of several offered by Goldman Sachs. It would appear there is no violation of the law.

    http://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/students-and-graduates/

    Certainly, affirmative action has its troubling aspects, but the program here apparently meets the provisions as stated by that act. I suggest that if you believe your rights have been absolutely violated that you hire a lawyer and file a claim of reverse discrimination. There are lawyers out there willing to take your case.

    Corvinus: “This program is one of several offered by Goldman Sachs. It would appear there is no violation of the law… Certainly, affirmative action has its troubling aspects, but the program here apparently meets the provisions as stated by that act. I suggest that if you believe your rights have been absolutely violated that you hire a lawyer and file a claim of reverse discrimination. There are lawyers out there willing to take your case.”

    Sure, if I pay them there are lawyers willing to take my money to file lawsuits that will be thrown out of court. The courts are corrupted and even obvious violations of the law, like Goldman Sachs’, will be ignored. If Sach’s ran a similar ad, but limiting its offer to whites and descendants of Pilgrims you know they would be sued, lose, and have to pay. The fact that you can’t rely on the courts to enforce the laws as written and intended is precisely what you mendaciously denying when you claim,” It would appear there is no violation of the law… the program here apparently meets the provisions as stated by [the 1964 Civil Right Act]“. That’s nonsense, and you know it. The law has no such provisions. The CRA never says blacks are protected and whites are not, but it’s administered that way in defiance of the text.

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  244. […] Notice the use of the word “dominated”. Remember, it is the intellectuals and their ideas which dominate not only the universities, but the legal systems, the media, and the public education systems. However, Pinker is wrong when he thinks that the “official theory” dominates no longer. The recent violence at Middlebury over Charles Murray shows that the “official theory” continues to exert its theocratic grip. […]

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