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The appropriate term for the 7 billion people who haven’t yet gone through the formality of moving to the United States is “Pre-American-Americans.”

 
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  1. Totally OT:

    Bloomberg exposé on how fucked up Boeing is:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers

    Folks, as someone with almost 2 decades of professional engineering experience I can tell you there are hundreds of people involved in this fiasco that should be hung by the neck until dead.

    But we live in clown world.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
  2. Couldn’t they also be called “Post-American Americans”?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    I think that's what they'll call white people.
    , @MBlanc46
    Spot on, Buzz, spot on.
  3. The eventual plan is to have the United States move to them. Invite so as to better invade. How could we not be greeted as liberators once we look like the world?

  4. “Who we are” is shorter.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    We Are the World!
  5. @Buzz Mohawk
    Couldn't they also be called "Post-American Americans"?

    I think that’s what they’ll call white people.

  6. Excellent and timely observation! I started searching for the appropriate term for these worthy people after I listened to the Democratic Party Presidential Debates of this week. Now that Good-Thinking People – and surviving candidates – all agree that all immigrants to the US – legal and illegal – are alike identically entitled to full medical benefits, the basic ecological question occurs: Why force all of these future Americans to relocate here, at great expense, danger to themselves, and harm to the environment? Why not give them access to these fully deserved benefits where they now live?

    Have a contest to name this large under-served group of people. Pre-Americans? Future-Americans?
    Perhaps, since they’re all refugees, they could all be termed “homeless Americans.”

    “I believe that deep inside each inhabitant of Planet Earth, there dwells a future American yearning to breathe free.”

    • Replies: @Charon

    Why force all of these future Americans to relocate here, at great expense, danger to themselves, and harm to the environment? Why not give them access to these fully deserved benefits where they now live?
     
    Because that wouldn't accomplish their principal goal: the vanquishing and ultimately the subjugation of the white race in America.

    And, of course, in any other place where white people might even conceivably pose a threat to the Dominion of the Chosen Ones. Hence, the simultaneous flooding of Europe, Australia, etc.
    , @Abolish_public_education

    Why not give them access to these fully deserved benefits where they now live?
     
    Our feeding the Soviet army worked to keep them from coming here.
  7. Hail says: • Website

    Corey Booker may be reading and getting ideas.

    Booker, at next debate: “With Congolese refugees in the news lately, I just have to say: We don’t talk nearly enough about Pre-American African-American Trans Americans! What I mean is, some of those pre-American Congolese may be Trans. I pledge here tonight to make their plight a central foreign policy focus under a Booker presidency!”

  8. Apropos, a “solution” to the Taiwan/China standoff floated by a colleague: let every Taiwanese immigrate to the US. Problem solved! Personally, I’d take it a step further: let everyone in mainland China immigrate to the US. Then there will be nobody left to stand off with! Ingenious really. File it under “deep state elevator conversations.”

    • Replies: @istevefan
    I thought a variation of that idea was being floated around during W. Bush's term. Namely, let the US take a number of Palestinians as immigrants to reduce the pressure over there.
    , @J.Ross
    This is a type of mass immigration I'm okay with, cf Cuba and Vietnam, where not only have these people stuck their necks out for us but they are ideologically and culturally compatible. This would not apply to Near-Easterners who had stuck their necks out for us.
  9. As one of the 7 billion, I say no thanks. I just feel sorry for you Americans who are destined to watch your country rot from the inside.

    When diversity destroys the West, the last redoubts of the ‘First World’ will be in NE Asia.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    I'm moving to Sapporo, Japan to party with....YOU!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwlQ0qJxaGo

    Also more proof that Stallone >>>> Schwarzenegger
    , @Counterinsurgency

    I just feel sorry for you Americans who are destined to watch your country rot from the inside.
     
    Agree. One small change: "are destined watch" to "have been destined and are foredoomed to watch". This stuff has been going on for a very long time.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @L Woods
    God, I wish I could join you. Every day here is an exercise in physic torment.
    , @Mitleser
    They asked for this.

    Just the Romans did.

    https://twitter.com/PyotrNemets/status/1129568614602829824
  10. Premature Americans.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    Couldn't we abort them up to the moment that they arrive at our borders?
  11. That’s an understatement. In the eyes of the Left the people of places like Somalia and Honduras have more right to live here than we do, and are better Americans than are actual Americans. “The original settlers of America were immigrants, and these people are immigrants. They’re exactly the same!”

    It’s kind of like saying that a doctor who built up a small fortune practicing medicine should leave his money to med school students rather than his own children. Neither makes sense.

    They have defined America by the people who aren’t here rather than the people who are. It’s like saying that water is dry and ice is hot.

    • Agree: Hail, GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Hail

    people of places like Somalia and Honduras have more right to live here than we do, and are better Americans
     
    I don't even think that degenerate form of thinking is hyperbole for a tragically large share of White Americans.

    What's your estimate? Maybe a quarter of White D voters, and as much as a tenth of White R voters (easily reaching a tenth if the ethnonationalist MAGA wing is expelled and the Never Trumpers slide back into the party, now that Trump is Kushner)? And a much larger share of the elite class either believe it or claim to.

    This "Somali refugees are more American than you, bigot" is taking Nation of Immigrants-ism to its logical conclusion; in other words, these are True Believers.

    , @Digital Samizdat

    “The original settlers of America were immigrants, and these people are immigrants. They’re exactly the same!”
     
    Actually, most liberals seem to believe that the original settlers of America were really just invaders who have no right to be here whatsoever, unlike 'immigrants' who do. So that's the difference.
    , @ricpic
    Many actual Americans are white. Argument enough for massive invasion from a leftist's standpoint.
  12. Hail says: • Website

    people who haven’t yet gone through the formality of moving to the United States

    A coup de grace incident for the USA would be some newly (re-)elected president issuing a Day One executive order for 24 million green cards to Africa and India, to be dispersed 500,000 a month for 48 months (the length of the president’s term), a kind of Mega Diversity Lottery to promote world harmony and to boldly stop China.

    Not even so far-fetched. Could Donald Kushner do something bold like this, if re-elected? It’d all be leeegal, of course. And they’d vet all of those half-million a month. Let me tell you, they’d vet them.

    [MORE]

  13. @L Woods
    Apropos, a “solution” to the Taiwan/China standoff floated by a colleague: let every Taiwanese immigrate to the US. Problem solved! Personally, I’d take it a step further: let everyone in mainland China immigrate to the US. Then there will be nobody left to stand off with! Ingenious really. File it under “deep state elevator conversations.”

    I thought a variation of that idea was being floated around during W. Bush’s term. Namely, let the US take a number of Palestinians as immigrants to reduce the pressure over there.

    • Replies: @Flip
    The proposal I've seen is to take all Israeli Jews into America and give Israel back to the Arabs. I'd rather live in Scarsdale or Beverly Hills myself.
  14. Has America sold her sovereign control over her borders in exchange for an unlimited national debt? Their investments in America will pay off when the USA population reaches a billion by 2100 a.d.

    See the plan for Canada and multiply by ten for the USA in this handy interactive page:

    https://www.centuryinitiative.ca/3scenarios/

    It’s all about GDP growth. Troublesome legacy populations will be inundated and absorbed.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Speaking of GDP growth, recently I was watching a guy's videos on YouTube that showed how to do a car repair I anticipate having to undertake. He lived in upstate New York, which, being the land of snow meant abundant salt on winter roads.

    Every nut and bolt in the engine compartment and underbody was an amorphous clump of rust so he generally resorted to an acetylene torch to cut fasteners apart. This, of course, took a lot of extra time and labor vs. repairing a car in California or Florida. Cars in general, he said, were ready for the crusher in 10 to 12 years because rust would attack the basic subframe, which in unibody cars is just bent sheetmetal, rendering them structurally unfit.

    But, economists tell us, that's a GOOD THING! Because it adds to the Nation's GDP. Higher repair bills, more time wasted performing routine jobs, junked cars....busy, busy, busy, time is money, churn, churn, creating REAL WEALTH here in America, Land of Debt where we're always hustling to pay off the bills engendered by our hustling to pay off the bills und so weiter.

  15. Hail says: • Website
    @Wilkey
    That's an understatement. In the eyes of the Left the people of places like Somalia and Honduras have more right to live here than we do, and are better Americans than are actual Americans. "The original settlers of America were immigrants, and these people are immigrants. They're exactly the same!"

    It's kind of like saying that a doctor who built up a small fortune practicing medicine should leave his money to med school students rather than his own children. Neither makes sense.

    They have defined America by the people who aren't here rather than the people who are. It's like saying that water is dry and ice is hot.

    people of places like Somalia and Honduras have more right to live here than we do, and are better Americans

    I don’t even think that degenerate form of thinking is hyperbole for a tragically large share of White Americans.

    What’s your estimate? Maybe a quarter of White D voters, and as much as a tenth of White R voters (easily reaching a tenth if the ethnonationalist MAGA wing is expelled and the Never Trumpers slide back into the party, now that Trump is Kushner)? And a much larger share of the elite class either believe it or claim to.

    This “Somali refugees are more American than you, bigot” is taking Nation of Immigrants-ism to its logical conclusion; in other words, these are True Believers.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Nah, more like people whose ancestors "didn't build that".
    , @Carol
    Never underestimate the R voter's tendency toward foolish magnanimity.

    To compensate, you know.
    , @Wilkey

    I don’t even think that degenerate form of thinking is hyperbole for a tragically large share of White Americans. What’s your estimate? Maybe a quarter of White D voters...
     
    I suspect that's a serious underestimate of white D voters. It's easily at least half. They've all been sold on white guilt, to one degree or another.
  16. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    It's a bad cartoon ghetto mural. It has all the grace of the early Sally Forth.


    Perhaps it should have been destroyed years ago, when we still had some taste.

    https://www.lambiek.net/artists/image/h/howard_greg/howard_greg_sf1982.jpg
    , @Digital Samizdat
    As Ernst Röhm once reportedly said: "All revolutions devour their children."
  17. @Hail

    people of places like Somalia and Honduras have more right to live here than we do, and are better Americans
     
    I don't even think that degenerate form of thinking is hyperbole for a tragically large share of White Americans.

    What's your estimate? Maybe a quarter of White D voters, and as much as a tenth of White R voters (easily reaching a tenth if the ethnonationalist MAGA wing is expelled and the Never Trumpers slide back into the party, now that Trump is Kushner)? And a much larger share of the elite class either believe it or claim to.

    This "Somali refugees are more American than you, bigot" is taking Nation of Immigrants-ism to its logical conclusion; in other words, these are True Believers.

    Nah, more like people whose ancestors “didn’t build that”.

  18. @istevefan
    I thought a variation of that idea was being floated around during W. Bush's term. Namely, let the US take a number of Palestinians as immigrants to reduce the pressure over there.

    The proposal I’ve seen is to take all Israeli Jews into America and give Israel back to the Arabs. I’d rather live in Scarsdale or Beverly Hills myself.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    and give Israel back to the Arabs.
     
    Because, to borrow from Sen. Hayakawa, they stole it fair and square.


    http://www.anvari.org/fortune/Miscellaneous_Collections/416905_we-should-keep-the-panama-canal-after-all-we-stole-it-fair-and-square-s-i.html

    If it should be given back to anybody, it's the Samaritans. And the Christians.
  19. @Anglo in Asia
    As one of the 7 billion, I say no thanks. I just feel sorry for you Americans who are destined to watch your country rot from the inside.

    When diversity destroys the West, the last redoubts of the 'First World' will be in NE Asia.

    I’m moving to Sapporo, Japan to party with….YOU!!!

    Also more proof that Stallone >>>> Schwarzenegger

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I’m moving to Sapporo, Japan to party with….YOU!!!
     
    The story is that Sapporo was laid out using Kansas City as a model.
  20. @Flip
    The proposal I've seen is to take all Israeli Jews into America and give Israel back to the Arabs. I'd rather live in Scarsdale or Beverly Hills myself.

    and give Israel back to the Arabs.

    Because, to borrow from Sen. Hayakawa, they stole it fair and square.

    http://www.anvari.org/fortune/Miscellaneous_Collections/416905_we-should-keep-the-panama-canal-after-all-we-stole-it-fair-and-square-s-i.html

    If it should be given back to anybody, it’s the Samaritans. And the Christians.

  21. @The Wild Geese Howard
    I'm moving to Sapporo, Japan to party with....YOU!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwlQ0qJxaGo

    Also more proof that Stallone >>>> Schwarzenegger

    I’m moving to Sapporo, Japan to party with….YOU!!!

    The story is that Sapporo was laid out using Kansas City as a model.

  22. @anon
    OT: SJW Taliban set to demolish historic mural painted by communist for being insufficiently woke.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/art-moralistic-therapeutic-barbarism-california-victor-arnautoff/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamyan

    It’s a bad cartoon ghetto mural. It has all the grace of the early Sally Forth.

    Perhaps it should have been destroyed years ago, when we still had some taste.

  23. @Wilkey
    That's an understatement. In the eyes of the Left the people of places like Somalia and Honduras have more right to live here than we do, and are better Americans than are actual Americans. "The original settlers of America were immigrants, and these people are immigrants. They're exactly the same!"

    It's kind of like saying that a doctor who built up a small fortune practicing medicine should leave his money to med school students rather than his own children. Neither makes sense.

    They have defined America by the people who aren't here rather than the people who are. It's like saying that water is dry and ice is hot.

    “The original settlers of America were immigrants, and these people are immigrants. They’re exactly the same!”

    Actually, most liberals seem to believe that the original settlers of America were really just invaders who have no right to be here whatsoever, unlike ‘immigrants’ who do. So that’s the difference.

    • Replies: @Corn
    So immigrants who come to the society invaders built are guilty of receiving stolen property?
    , @Wilkey

    Actually, most liberals seem to believe that the original settlers of America were really just invaders who have no right to be here whatsoever, unlike ‘immigrants’ who do. So that’s the difference.
     
    The original population of the Americas, who built next to nothing, have more right to be here than the descendants of early European settlers - because they were here first.

    The immigrants coming now have more right to be here than the descendants of early European settlers - because they aren't "conquerors."

    The descendants of the people who left Europe - the most advanced civilization on earth - made a dangerous ocean voyage (rather than flying in on 747s), and came to an empty wilderness to build everything from scratch? They have no particular right to be here at all.

    The funny thing is that the traits that the Left likes to attach to modern immigrants are actually the traits of the early settlers. Modern immigrants take little risk in coming here at all. Sometimes their initial voyages might be a bit perilous, but once they are here there is almost no physical danger and no risk that they'll do worse here than in their home countries. The early settlers had no such guarantee.
  24. @anon
    OT: SJW Taliban set to demolish historic mural painted by communist for being insufficiently woke.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/art-moralistic-therapeutic-barbarism-california-victor-arnautoff/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamyan

    As Ernst Röhm once reportedly said: “All revolutions devour their children.”

  25. @Anglo in Asia
    As one of the 7 billion, I say no thanks. I just feel sorry for you Americans who are destined to watch your country rot from the inside.

    When diversity destroys the West, the last redoubts of the 'First World' will be in NE Asia.

    I just feel sorry for you Americans who are destined to watch your country rot from the inside.

    Agree. One small change: “are destined watch” to “have been destined and are foredoomed to watch”. This stuff has been going on for a very long time.

    Counterinsurgency

  26. OT – but I’m sure that Steve will be pleased to know that a leading American soccer player is a reader of his:

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/28/cant-win-without-gays-usa-megan-rapinoe?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

    ‘You can’t win without gay players,’ says USA’s World Cup hero Megan Rapinoe

    ““Go gays!” she said after the 2-1 quarter-final victory over France in Paris and when asked to comment on whether it being Pride month made her contribution more personally significant. “You can’t win a championship without gays on your team – it’s never been done before, ever. That’s science, right there!”

  27. If I don’t want to move to the United States, does it make me an ‘America denier’?

  28. If everyone is American, then no one is American.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    That is the goal, yes.

    Post-Hiroshima, nation-states are hazardous to the health of the species. That's the theory anyway.
  29. @Jim Given
    Excellent and timely observation! I started searching for the appropriate term for these worthy people after I listened to the Democratic Party Presidential Debates of this week. Now that Good-Thinking People - and surviving candidates - all agree that all immigrants to the US - legal and illegal - are alike identically entitled to full medical benefits, the basic ecological question occurs: Why force all of these future Americans to relocate here, at great expense, danger to themselves, and harm to the environment? Why not give them access to these fully deserved benefits where they now live?

    Have a contest to name this large under-served group of people. Pre-Americans? Future-Americans?
    Perhaps, since they're all refugees, they could all be termed "homeless Americans."

    "I believe that deep inside each inhabitant of Planet Earth, there dwells a future American yearning to breathe free."

    Why force all of these future Americans to relocate here, at great expense, danger to themselves, and harm to the environment? Why not give them access to these fully deserved benefits where they now live?

    Because that wouldn’t accomplish their principal goal: the vanquishing and ultimately the subjugation of the white race in America.

    And, of course, in any other place where white people might even conceivably pose a threat to the Dominion of the Chosen Ones. Hence, the simultaneous flooding of Europe, Australia, etc.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Because that wouldn’t accomplish their principal goal: the vanquishing and ultimately the subjugation of the white race in America.

    And, of course, in any other place where white people might even conceivably pose a threat to the Dominion of the Chosen Ones. Hence, the simultaneous flooding of Europe, Australia, etc.
     
    This.
  30. @Anglo in Asia
    As one of the 7 billion, I say no thanks. I just feel sorry for you Americans who are destined to watch your country rot from the inside.

    When diversity destroys the West, the last redoubts of the 'First World' will be in NE Asia.

    God, I wish I could join you. Every day here is an exercise in physic torment.

  31. @Digital Samizdat

    “The original settlers of America were immigrants, and these people are immigrants. They’re exactly the same!”
     
    Actually, most liberals seem to believe that the original settlers of America were really just invaders who have no right to be here whatsoever, unlike 'immigrants' who do. So that's the difference.

    So immigrants who come to the society invaders built are guilty of receiving stolen property?

  32. @J.Ross
    "Who we are" is shorter.

    We Are the World!

    • Replies: @ricpic
    Pepsis for everyone.
  33. How dare you erase my identity? I’m a pre-African-American-American this week.

  34. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    There will be a Tunnel of Americanism(and the same will be for Canadianism and UK-ism).

    New arrivals will have to go through the Americanization Tunnel. It will be like a ride in a Haunted House in an Amusement Park except it will be called the Hope House or Hope Tunnel.

    As they enter the tunnel, they hear Neil Diamond’s COMING TO AMERICA.

    First Stop:

    1. The arrivals will have to stop before a Magic Negro mural. It will have a pic of MLK bellowing “I have a dream” and there will be video screens to the side showing black woman’s fat butt twerking. The speakers will also boom with Ali hollering “I’m the greatest”. Then, the wife of the new arrivals will have to stand by an automated Negrobot, and she will be required to push her butt behind the Negrobot’s groins that will then bump and grind.

    Second Stop:

    2. The arrivals will have to stop before a globo-homo idol. To the soundtracks of Queen and Elton John, the new arrivals will have to prance up and down while waving the homo poo-ride flag. The kids will have to sit before a tranny automaton that reads the story of America’s founding as a ‘gay musical’. This time, Hamilton and the Founders are fruits. And finally, the husband will have to stick his ass out as a homo-robot or homobot that bumps and grinds his ass.

    Third and final stop?

    3. The arrivals will have to stop before a giant altar with the Israel flag on top. They will have to bow down before the altar and chant “Israel is our greatest ally”. They will shown two screens, one playing clips from Schindler’s List and another showing Ron Jeremy sucking his own cock. And they must chant “We admire Jews because they’re so smart, powerful, & awesome AND feel pity for them because they are so weak and helpless.”

    As they exit the tunnel, they hear John Cougar’s AINT THAT AMERICA?

    Then, you’re granted full citizenship.

  35. It is similar to the misnomer “Native Americans.” There was no United States of America before Europeans created it. Later on, citizenship was given to “American Indians.” The Founding Fathers were “Native Americans.”

  36. @Digital Samizdat

    “The original settlers of America were immigrants, and these people are immigrants. They’re exactly the same!”
     
    Actually, most liberals seem to believe that the original settlers of America were really just invaders who have no right to be here whatsoever, unlike 'immigrants' who do. So that's the difference.

    Actually, most liberals seem to believe that the original settlers of America were really just invaders who have no right to be here whatsoever, unlike ‘immigrants’ who do. So that’s the difference.

    The original population of the Americas, who built next to nothing, have more right to be here than the descendants of early European settlers – because they were here first.

    The immigrants coming now have more right to be here than the descendants of early European settlers – because they aren’t “conquerors.”

    The descendants of the people who left Europe – the most advanced civilization on earth – made a dangerous ocean voyage (rather than flying in on 747s), and came to an empty wilderness to build everything from scratch? They have no particular right to be here at all.

    The funny thing is that the traits that the Left likes to attach to modern immigrants are actually the traits of the early settlers. Modern immigrants take little risk in coming here at all. Sometimes their initial voyages might be a bit perilous, but once they are here there is almost no physical danger and no risk that they’ll do worse here than in their home countries. The early settlers had no such guarantee.

  37. And they’re more American than the racists who came over on the Mayflower!

  38. @Wilkey
    That's an understatement. In the eyes of the Left the people of places like Somalia and Honduras have more right to live here than we do, and are better Americans than are actual Americans. "The original settlers of America were immigrants, and these people are immigrants. They're exactly the same!"

    It's kind of like saying that a doctor who built up a small fortune practicing medicine should leave his money to med school students rather than his own children. Neither makes sense.

    They have defined America by the people who aren't here rather than the people who are. It's like saying that water is dry and ice is hot.

    Many actual Americans are white. Argument enough for massive invasion from a leftist’s standpoint.

  39. @slumber_j
    We Are the World!

    Pepsis for everyone.

  40. I myself am no conservative so on many issues I agree with the Democratic candidates who participated in this week’s debate. But their opinions on immigration are just unreal. Unreal. How can smart and otherwise sensible people think that we can take in the world and somehow everything here will stay the same?

    Because that’s what they think. Nobody ever brings up how much we’d have to sacrifice if we really want to absorb tens or hundreds of millions of additional people — and the sacrifices would have to be immense.

    We’d have to end up living like the working classes of Mexico or maybe even India to do it.

    • Agree: (((Owen)))
    • Replies: @L Woods
    That’s the idea. Deep state morons think they’ll be immune to this because of security clearance and citizenship requirements, but these will be swiftly “reformed” should the left attain such an abrupt supermajority.
    , @Anonymous

    How can smart and otherwise sensible people think that we can take in the world and somehow everything here will stay the same?
     
    They don't think that. The people whose votes and money they are seeking don't want things to stay the same; their primary aim is to dispossess and eliminate the White race.
  41. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Premature Americans.

    Couldn’t we abort them up to the moment that they arrive at our borders?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    If you can find a woman to make that choice, why not?
  42. @notsaying
    I myself am no conservative so on many issues I agree with the Democratic candidates who participated in this week's debate. But their opinions on immigration are just unreal. Unreal. How can smart and otherwise sensible people think that we can take in the world and somehow everything here will stay the same?

    Because that's what they think. Nobody ever brings up how much we'd have to sacrifice if we really want to absorb tens or hundreds of millions of additional people -- and the sacrifices would have to be immense.

    We'd have to end up living like the working classes of Mexico or maybe even India to do it.

    That’s the idea. Deep state morons think they’ll be immune to this because of security clearance and citizenship requirements, but these will be swiftly “reformed” should the left attain such an abrupt supermajority.

  43. @Hail

    people of places like Somalia and Honduras have more right to live here than we do, and are better Americans
     
    I don't even think that degenerate form of thinking is hyperbole for a tragically large share of White Americans.

    What's your estimate? Maybe a quarter of White D voters, and as much as a tenth of White R voters (easily reaching a tenth if the ethnonationalist MAGA wing is expelled and the Never Trumpers slide back into the party, now that Trump is Kushner)? And a much larger share of the elite class either believe it or claim to.

    This "Somali refugees are more American than you, bigot" is taking Nation of Immigrants-ism to its logical conclusion; in other words, these are True Believers.

    Never underestimate the R voter’s tendency toward foolish magnanimity.

    To compensate, you know.

  44. @L Woods
    Apropos, a “solution” to the Taiwan/China standoff floated by a colleague: let every Taiwanese immigrate to the US. Problem solved! Personally, I’d take it a step further: let everyone in mainland China immigrate to the US. Then there will be nobody left to stand off with! Ingenious really. File it under “deep state elevator conversations.”

    This is a type of mass immigration I’m okay with, cf Cuba and Vietnam, where not only have these people stuck their necks out for us but they are ideologically and culturally compatible. This would not apply to Near-Easterners who had stuck their necks out for us.

    • Replies: @Wilkey

    This is a type of mass immigration I’m okay with, cf Cuba and Vietnam, where not only have these people stuck their necks out for us but they are ideologically and culturally compatible.
     
    They didn't stick their necks out for us. We stuck our necks out for them, but came up short.

    Cuba has 11 million people. Taiwan has 24 million people. Vietnam has 95 million people. That comes to 130 million. Where should we put them?

  45. @Anon
    If everyone is American, then no one is American.

    That is the goal, yes.

    Post-Hiroshima, nation-states are hazardous to the health of the species. That’s the theory anyway.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Post-Hiroshima, nation-states are hazardous to the health of the species. That’s the theory anyway.
     
    Post-Holocaust, not post-Hiroshima.
  46. @Ron Mexico
    Couldn't we abort them up to the moment that they arrive at our borders?

    If you can find a woman to make that choice, why not?

  47. @Hail

    people of places like Somalia and Honduras have more right to live here than we do, and are better Americans
     
    I don't even think that degenerate form of thinking is hyperbole for a tragically large share of White Americans.

    What's your estimate? Maybe a quarter of White D voters, and as much as a tenth of White R voters (easily reaching a tenth if the ethnonationalist MAGA wing is expelled and the Never Trumpers slide back into the party, now that Trump is Kushner)? And a much larger share of the elite class either believe it or claim to.

    This "Somali refugees are more American than you, bigot" is taking Nation of Immigrants-ism to its logical conclusion; in other words, these are True Believers.

    I don’t even think that degenerate form of thinking is hyperbole for a tragically large share of White Americans. What’s your estimate? Maybe a quarter of White D voters…

    I suspect that’s a serious underestimate of white D voters. It’s easily at least half. They’ve all been sold on white guilt, to one degree or another.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It's not guilt, it's snobbery (equal parts vanity and prejudice). They don't live here, they're citizens of the world - it's the awful, racist, nazi deplorables who don't deserve a place.
    , @Hail
    Maybe more than half in elite circles circles in the smug, self-righteous centers of power. Even then, it'd be hard to fully separate rhetoric from true-belief.

    I'm having trouble imagining that too many of the traditional White D-voters in the Midwest, of whom many switched over to Trump in Nov. 2016, go along with the extreme ethnomasochist view that Somalis or other random people with no organic connection at all to historical America are "more American" than us.

    There is a parallel here with the mainline Protestant churches. It's true most of them are far-gone into leftism, which to me is source of sadness. Yet, it's funny, if you actually talk to the rank-and-file members, especially those in/from Middle America, they're not really on board; the leadership is way far to the left of the membership, which explains membership declines since the 1990s. Those who stick around do so because they were born into the church, or the like, and don't think too much about the revolution-from-above. Same story with traditional White D voters, especially older ones, maybe.

  48. @J.Ross
    This is a type of mass immigration I'm okay with, cf Cuba and Vietnam, where not only have these people stuck their necks out for us but they are ideologically and culturally compatible. This would not apply to Near-Easterners who had stuck their necks out for us.

    This is a type of mass immigration I’m okay with, cf Cuba and Vietnam, where not only have these people stuck their necks out for us but they are ideologically and culturally compatible.

    They didn’t stick their necks out for us. We stuck our necks out for them, but came up short.

    Cuba has 11 million people. Taiwan has 24 million people. Vietnam has 95 million people. That comes to 130 million. Where should we put them?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The Cubans and Vietnamese in question are already here, and we would find plenty of room for RoC'ers in Texas alone if we actually had deportation.
  49. @Wilkey

    This is a type of mass immigration I’m okay with, cf Cuba and Vietnam, where not only have these people stuck their necks out for us but they are ideologically and culturally compatible.
     
    They didn't stick their necks out for us. We stuck our necks out for them, but came up short.

    Cuba has 11 million people. Taiwan has 24 million people. Vietnam has 95 million people. That comes to 130 million. Where should we put them?

    The Cubans and Vietnamese in question are already here, and we would find plenty of room for RoC’ers in Texas alone if we actually had deportation.

  50. @Wilkey

    I don’t even think that degenerate form of thinking is hyperbole for a tragically large share of White Americans. What’s your estimate? Maybe a quarter of White D voters...
     
    I suspect that's a serious underestimate of white D voters. It's easily at least half. They've all been sold on white guilt, to one degree or another.

    It’s not guilt, it’s snobbery (equal parts vanity and prejudice). They don’t live here, they’re citizens of the world – it’s the awful, racist, nazi deplorables who don’t deserve a place.

  51. What a gyp. I thought from the title this was an article on indins.

  52. It’s very simple: Knocked up pre-post Americans.

  53. Hail says: • Website
    @Wilkey

    I don’t even think that degenerate form of thinking is hyperbole for a tragically large share of White Americans. What’s your estimate? Maybe a quarter of White D voters...
     
    I suspect that's a serious underestimate of white D voters. It's easily at least half. They've all been sold on white guilt, to one degree or another.

    Maybe more than half in elite circles circles in the smug, self-righteous centers of power. Even then, it’d be hard to fully separate rhetoric from true-belief.

    I’m having trouble imagining that too many of the traditional White D-voters in the Midwest, of whom many switched over to Trump in Nov. 2016, go along with the extreme ethnomasochist view that Somalis or other random people with no organic connection at all to historical America are “more American” than us.

    There is a parallel here with the mainline Protestant churches. It’s true most of them are far-gone into leftism, which to me is source of sadness. Yet, it’s funny, if you actually talk to the rank-and-file members, especially those in/from Middle America, they’re not really on board; the leadership is way far to the left of the membership, which explains membership declines since the 1990s. Those who stick around do so because they were born into the church, or the like, and don’t think too much about the revolution-from-above. Same story with traditional White D voters, especially older ones, maybe.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    We'll outlast the bastards. Always do.
    , @L Woods
    They’ll get on board. They always do sooner or later.
  54. @Hail
    Maybe more than half in elite circles circles in the smug, self-righteous centers of power. Even then, it'd be hard to fully separate rhetoric from true-belief.

    I'm having trouble imagining that too many of the traditional White D-voters in the Midwest, of whom many switched over to Trump in Nov. 2016, go along with the extreme ethnomasochist view that Somalis or other random people with no organic connection at all to historical America are "more American" than us.

    There is a parallel here with the mainline Protestant churches. It's true most of them are far-gone into leftism, which to me is source of sadness. Yet, it's funny, if you actually talk to the rank-and-file members, especially those in/from Middle America, they're not really on board; the leadership is way far to the left of the membership, which explains membership declines since the 1990s. Those who stick around do so because they were born into the church, or the like, and don't think too much about the revolution-from-above. Same story with traditional White D voters, especially older ones, maybe.

    We’ll outlast the bastards. Always do.

  55. @Anon7
    Has America sold her sovereign control over her borders in exchange for an unlimited national debt? Their investments in America will pay off when the USA population reaches a billion by 2100 a.d.

    See the plan for Canada and multiply by ten for the USA in this handy interactive page:

    https://www.centuryinitiative.ca/3scenarios/

    It’s all about GDP growth. Troublesome legacy populations will be inundated and absorbed.

    Speaking of GDP growth, recently I was watching a guy’s videos on YouTube that showed how to do a car repair I anticipate having to undertake. He lived in upstate New York, which, being the land of snow meant abundant salt on winter roads.

    Every nut and bolt in the engine compartment and underbody was an amorphous clump of rust so he generally resorted to an acetylene torch to cut fasteners apart. This, of course, took a lot of extra time and labor vs. repairing a car in California or Florida. Cars in general, he said, were ready for the crusher in 10 to 12 years because rust would attack the basic subframe, which in unibody cars is just bent sheetmetal, rendering them structurally unfit.

    But, economists tell us, that’s a GOOD THING! Because it adds to the Nation’s GDP. Higher repair bills, more time wasted performing routine jobs, junked cars….busy, busy, busy, time is money, churn, churn, creating REAL WEALTH here in America, Land of Debt where we’re always hustling to pay off the bills engendered by our hustling to pay off the bills und so weiter.

  56. @Anglo in Asia
    As one of the 7 billion, I say no thanks. I just feel sorry for you Americans who are destined to watch your country rot from the inside.

    When diversity destroys the West, the last redoubts of the 'First World' will be in NE Asia.

    They asked for this.

    Just the Romans did.

  57. @Jim Given
    Excellent and timely observation! I started searching for the appropriate term for these worthy people after I listened to the Democratic Party Presidential Debates of this week. Now that Good-Thinking People - and surviving candidates - all agree that all immigrants to the US - legal and illegal - are alike identically entitled to full medical benefits, the basic ecological question occurs: Why force all of these future Americans to relocate here, at great expense, danger to themselves, and harm to the environment? Why not give them access to these fully deserved benefits where they now live?

    Have a contest to name this large under-served group of people. Pre-Americans? Future-Americans?
    Perhaps, since they're all refugees, they could all be termed "homeless Americans."

    "I believe that deep inside each inhabitant of Planet Earth, there dwells a future American yearning to breathe free."

    Why not give them access to these fully deserved benefits where they now live?

    Our feeding the Soviet army worked to keep them from coming here.

  58. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charon

    Why force all of these future Americans to relocate here, at great expense, danger to themselves, and harm to the environment? Why not give them access to these fully deserved benefits where they now live?
     
    Because that wouldn't accomplish their principal goal: the vanquishing and ultimately the subjugation of the white race in America.

    And, of course, in any other place where white people might even conceivably pose a threat to the Dominion of the Chosen Ones. Hence, the simultaneous flooding of Europe, Australia, etc.

    Because that wouldn’t accomplish their principal goal: the vanquishing and ultimately the subjugation of the white race in America.

    And, of course, in any other place where white people might even conceivably pose a threat to the Dominion of the Chosen Ones. Hence, the simultaneous flooding of Europe, Australia, etc.

    This.

  59. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying
    I myself am no conservative so on many issues I agree with the Democratic candidates who participated in this week's debate. But their opinions on immigration are just unreal. Unreal. How can smart and otherwise sensible people think that we can take in the world and somehow everything here will stay the same?

    Because that's what they think. Nobody ever brings up how much we'd have to sacrifice if we really want to absorb tens or hundreds of millions of additional people -- and the sacrifices would have to be immense.

    We'd have to end up living like the working classes of Mexico or maybe even India to do it.

    How can smart and otherwise sensible people think that we can take in the world and somehow everything here will stay the same?

    They don’t think that. The people whose votes and money they are seeking don’t want things to stay the same; their primary aim is to dispossess and eliminate the White race.

  60. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    That is the goal, yes.

    Post-Hiroshima, nation-states are hazardous to the health of the species. That's the theory anyway.

    Post-Hiroshima, nation-states are hazardous to the health of the species. That’s the theory anyway.

    Post-Holocaust, not post-Hiroshima.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    No, post-Hiroshima.
  61. @Hail
    Maybe more than half in elite circles circles in the smug, self-righteous centers of power. Even then, it'd be hard to fully separate rhetoric from true-belief.

    I'm having trouble imagining that too many of the traditional White D-voters in the Midwest, of whom many switched over to Trump in Nov. 2016, go along with the extreme ethnomasochist view that Somalis or other random people with no organic connection at all to historical America are "more American" than us.

    There is a parallel here with the mainline Protestant churches. It's true most of them are far-gone into leftism, which to me is source of sadness. Yet, it's funny, if you actually talk to the rank-and-file members, especially those in/from Middle America, they're not really on board; the leadership is way far to the left of the membership, which explains membership declines since the 1990s. Those who stick around do so because they were born into the church, or the like, and don't think too much about the revolution-from-above. Same story with traditional White D voters, especially older ones, maybe.

    They’ll get on board. They always do sooner or later.

  62. @Anonymous

    Post-Hiroshima, nation-states are hazardous to the health of the species. That’s the theory anyway.
     
    Post-Holocaust, not post-Hiroshima.

    No, post-Hiroshima.

  63. @Buzz Mohawk
    Couldn't they also be called "Post-American Americans"?

    Spot on, Buzz, spot on.

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