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From the Washington Post:

Wonkblog Analysis
How white racism destroys black wealth

By Christopher Ingraham, November 28

There are a lot of reasons that home prices tend to be lower in black neighborhoods than in white ones. Decades of racist policies put in place by governments and private companies — segregation, redlining, deed restrictions, exclusionary zoning, the deliberate hollowing out of urban cores — have had the net effect of eroding the quality of life in many majority-black neighborhoods nationwide.

On the other hand, neighborhood crime rates have nothing to do with neighborhood home prices. They just don’t.

As the authors of a new Brookings Institution-Gallup study note, Zillow data shows that the median listing price of a home in a majority-black neighborhood in a major metro area is around $184,000, while the median listing in a neighborhood where blacks make up less than 1 percent of the population stands at over $341,000.

But the authors — Andre M. Perry and David Harshbarger of Brookings and Jonathan Rothwell of Gallup — weren’t satisfied with that simple comparison based solely on neighborhood demographics. It’s too easy to explain that difference away with other factors, such as the structural characteristics of the buildings and access to good schools, good jobs and good stores.

They wanted to isolate the effects of racism alone — to peel off all the other explanatory variables until they could “detect how much racism depletes wealth from black homeowners,” as they put it. In the end, they were left with one number: $48,000.

That’s the amount the average home in a majority-black neighborhood is undervalued, relative to an identical home in an identical all-white neighborhood once you properly adjust for all the other structural and neighborhood characteristics that could plausibly affect that number. That’s the “cost of racial bias,” as the authors put it, “amounting to $156 billion in cumulative losses” accruing to black homeowners. …

“If we can detect how much racism depletes wealth from black homeowners, we can begin to address bigotry principally by giving black homeowners and policymakers a target price for redress,” the authors write. “Laws have changed, but the value of assets — buildings, schools, leadership, and land itself — are inextricably linked to the perceptions of black people. And those negative perceptions persist.”

Well, thank goodness there are now all these Asians and Hispanics in the U.S. who are unburdened by “white racism” and are thus willing to pay full price for homes in black neighborhoods. Asians and Hispanics aren’t afflicted by “white racism,” are they?

Or, wait a minute, are you saying that blacks get a $48k discount when buying homes?

 
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  1. jim jones says:

    Whenever I have to travel to a majority Black area of London I have an uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach. It is probably because there are all these yoofs hanging around on street corners. I bought a house in a nice area for peace of mind.

  2. Anonymous[729] • Disclaimer says:

    OT (sorta)

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    , @Dieter Kief
  3. Tiny Duck says:

    This is nothing new

    One good thing is that the youth are committed to anti racism and are more diverse. Asians and Hispanics will help Blacks against white racism.

  4. There is a inner ring suburb outside Detroit that is half black and half Chabad Jewish. The Jews were able to get a lot of special treatment, special freeway crossing bridges, libraries and community centers closed on Sat and open Sunday, and so on.

    One of the special deals is that their children go to a nearby public school system that is mostly white. The Oak Park (Michigan, not Ill, that is another city) schools are therefore terrible, almost as bad as Detroit.

    Home prices are about double to live on the fringes of the Jewish area, but still in the special school zone

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Ed
  5. Hodag says:

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2815-Dartmouth-Ln-Olympia-Fields-IL-60461/4306750_zpid/

    This home overlooks Olympia Fields (South).

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/748-Amalfi-Dr-Pacific-Palisades-CA-90272/20539041_zpid/

    This home (somewhat) overlooks Riviera CC.

    For over thirty years I have kept an eye on real estate in both places.

    The downstroke for membership at Olympia Fields is quite manageable. I presume the downstroke at Riviera has not moved much.

    Shall we discuss the demographics of the nearby area?

  6. theMann says:

    Seeing as how any one can make a 100% accurate assessment of the racial makeup of any neighborhood – without seeing any inhabitants – just by the visible condition of the buildings and yards, maybe that 48k is an accurate, if accidental, measure of value on the basis of group behavior.

    Or maybe Whites are just too stupid as a group to take immediate advantage of lower home prices, since racism is obviously the only thing holding them back from moving into cheaper neighborhoods. In fact, in this age of telecommunication, it is inexplicable why more Whites don’t move to Harlem or Bed-Sty, or better yet, Sao Paolo or Johannesburg and really snap up some real estate values. Because clearly, group differences don’t exist and it is racist of Whites to pretend……..

  7. I submit that an invariant rule in buying and selling that in average you get what you pay for. Blacks pay less for their houses and get less of a house. The professors’ inquiries remind me of the scientists in the isle of Laputa in Gulliver’s Travels who were attempting to extract moonbeams from cucumbers.

  8. Joe Joe says:

    Does the word “crime” appear anywhere in their study???

    • Replies: @Mel
  9. What an interesting spin on the old “blacks ruin property values” trope.

    The original explanation was blacks destroy white wealth, but “they” turned it around on us.

    I would rather call it an instance of freelance reparations collection that backfired. ;)

  10. A “target prices for redress”, eh? So the FedGov is going to write all black homeowners a check for $48k? And since the purported source of the problem is white racism, taxes will be raised on white taxpayers to cover the nut. What could possibly go wrong?

    But what if this doesn’t fix the problem? What if the problem has something to do with black social dysfunction, which is a real problem, but not one that can be fixed with cash?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  11. Tyrion 2 says:

    Affordable homes. How oppressive.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @Anon
  12. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    How painful must introspection be for the man whose job is to be publicly gullible? To LARP as what used to be called “reporter,” burying begged questions that are within a few hours awkwardly asked in a forum like this?

    One of the plums of being promoted to editor would be not having your byline on such willful stupidity.

  13. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Or, wait a minute, are you saying that blacks get a $48k discount on homes?

    I don’t understand the meaning of this comment.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  14. Arclight says:

    Uh, isn’t part of the lesson here is that blacks want a discount if they have to live near other blacks?

    • Replies: @Bubba
  15. @Tyrion 2

    Yeah, it continues to amaze me how people who pride themselves on advanced statistical analysis can miss a basic–not even a math error, just a plain fact–like that a lower price means lower purchase price as well as lower sales price.

    Or maybe they’re not so stupid, they just assume their audience is.

    I’ve posted here before about how real estate is in fact a good game for blacks. Their purchase prices are low and if the neighborhood gentrifies, which is not uncommon in urban areas, they stand to make a good profit. They’re immune to anti-gentrification protesting. The Fed and state regulators have their back every step of the way. Their downside is limited because they are already entering at the bottom of the market, so what can go wrong? Block busting by even blacker blacks? Could happen, I suppose…

    If anything, it seems that blacks owe the rest of the country some compensation for blacks’ unfair advantage in the real estate market. No one should hold their breath though.

  16. Coag says:

    In the appendix of their study the authors say violent crime is “highly correlated” with a neighborhood’s black population, while having a “low” correlation with property values. (Presumably the low correlation reflects the large numbers of relatively low-crime, low-value white neighborhoods in the deindustrialized rust belt?)

    So the authors are in effect asserting that home buyers don’t care about the empirically high correlation of crime with black people, but are instead guided by a senseless and irrational racism. Furthermore the authors have concluded that this racism is attributable to racist Google searches (“Anti-black sentiment index from Google searches”) for the empirically high correlation of crime with black people, of which home owners don’t care about per se but still inspire in them feelings of irrational racism.

    This is the brilliant work of your moral superiors, people. Their obscurantist circular constructions are truly reminiscent of the epicycles that past generations of genius-level moral superiors used to attack depraved wrongthinkers like Galileo. Watch out, the Brookings Institution is here, we might as well pack up and go back to our wrong side of history and die with a whimper.

    • Replies: @Coag
    , @Joe Schmoe
    , @TWS
  17. Flemur says:

    I bet Christopher Ingraham[white], Andre M. Perry[mulatto], David Harshbarger[white] of Brookings and Jonathan Rothwell[extra white] of Gallup are taking advantage of that savings by buying a home and moving into a majority-black neighborhood in a major metro area!

    • Replies: @TheBoom
  18. “There are a lot of reasons…”

    A grammatical error in the very first sentence. Is it possible the Post’s editors are so ignorant they do not know when to use “a lot” and when to use “many”?

  19. Elli says:

    I drove through Rochester NY a couple years ago. Central city, large, well-maintained Victorian and Craftsman houses, 100% black. Suburb, ticky-tack post-war Capes and ranches, largely white.

  20. BB753 says:

    Right, we all know negative perceptions of Blacks are totally unfounded in reality. Statistics consistently back up the fact that Blacks are as well-behaved as Asians. Give me a break!

  21. El Dato says:

    segregation, redlining, deed restrictions, exclusionary zoning, the deliberate hollowing out of urban cores

    Not mention global warming, gas chambers, overpolicing, chemtrails, UFO abductions and Putin.

    In the end, they were left with one number: $48,000.

    This is the monetary charge of the “racion”, an elementary particle emitted by racism.

    It may also be a call for property developers to step in and make a killing.

    No wait!

    “If we can detect how much racism depletes wealth from black homeowners, we can begin to address bigotry principally by giving black homeowners and policymakers a target price for redress”

    Does this mean that there will be demands to hand homeowners USD 48’000 of free money really soon, to “address bigotry”?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  22. Anonymous[172] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s deceitful pseudo intellectual shit like this which earns ‘economists’ their contemptible reputation.

    The point is this: If blacks were as ‘wonderful’ as the authors claim, then the market – that eminently rational free exchange of individual decisions and bargains, free of subjective emotion – would price neighborhoods mainly inhabited by blacks at an elevated value.

  23. I demand reparations for over-paying non-blacks!

  24. Brookings has not posted the statistical analysis behind their report, but coauthor Andre M Perry appears to be a living iSteve/PCU parody of the broken-English nonsense-spouting black academic dean. Typical work:

    Recognizing majority-black cities, when their existence is being questioned

    http://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2017/10/04/recognizing-majority-black-cities-when-their-existence-is-being-questioned/

    The map of majority-black cities is very interesting and looks like the premise for a video game.

    His proposed funding model for HBCUs is to produce “the next Mark Zuckerberg”. The earnestness is high with this one.

  25. It’s kind of funny that we have a name for whites moving into primarily black, blighted neighborhoods in an urban core and improving property values – “gentrification” – but no corresponding name for blacks moving into primarily white neighborhoods and depressing property values. I suppose some would say it is “white flight” but I don’t think this quite captures it.

    I’d also bet you could do similar statistical analysis and find that gay men have an inverse effect on property values – they move in and over a short time horizon property values increase. It must mean that Americans just love gay men, giving them a property value premium for no good reason, right?

  26. Dr. X says:

    There are a lot of reasons that home prices tend to be lower in black neighborhoods than in white ones. Decades of racist policies put in place by governments and private companies — segregation, redlining, deed restrictions, exclusionary zoning, the deliberate hollowing out of urban cores …

    Of course.

    Stray bullets from drive-bys, prostitution, drug sales, failure to maintain properties, unsupervised juvenile delinquents, graffiti, vandalism, homicide, armed robbery and the fact that anything that isn’t bolted down will be stolen in less that 24 hours have nothing to do with low home prices in black ‘hoods…

  27. @Alec Leamas

    As our beloved host has pointed out,”Gays are the shock troops of racial cleansing”.

    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
  28. Boy, I’d like to know where these all-White neighborhoods are in the FUSA, circa 2018.

    I’m in one of the more Red states in a very solid middle class neighborhood, leaning towards the upper end. There are Iranians, Bangladeshians, Chinese, Africans (from the continent) and call center Indians in this HOA neighborhood.

    Man, I miss America.

  29. Bugg says:

    One thing that goes unreported; how many African-American homeowners in gentrifying areas sell to beardo hipsters at a big markup and move south. Had a bunch of black clients (some as closings as attorney others as tax clients) who sold a home they bought for a modest price in Bed Stuy, Crown Heights or Williamsburgh and sold for a huge number to some white trust funder from Indiana or Ohio. There is now a huge number of middle class black people leaving NYC for southern states. They don’t want any part of high taxes and big cost of living any more than anyone else.

  30. I wonder how many blacks would have to move into Christopher Ingraham’s neighborhood before he puts his house up for sale.

  31. BenKenobi says:
    @Alec Leamas

    

    no corresponding name for blacks moving into primarily white neighborhoods

    Yeah it’s called “there goes the neighbourhood.”

  32. Lot says:

    Trump backs down on China tariffs he promised for Jan 1:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-02/trump-xi-both-get-trade-war-wins-with-harder-issues-unresolved

    Weak.

    China tariffs are good policy regardless of whatever unenforceable pissant “concessions” the totalitarian communist tech-stealing fentanyl-dealing dictatorship makes.

    Our best policy with China, Africa, and the Muslim world are disengagement at every level. They seek to exploit and surpass us.

    Trump lost the GOP House by cucking to the Kochs, passing a tax increase on the upper middle class while cutting it for billionaires. Breaking his word on closing the “carried interest” loophole Wall Street pension-stealers love.

    He’ll lose reelection in 2020 if he cucks again on trade and the wall, the latter also looking likely. He couldn’t get it done with the GOP house in 2 years, I don’t see Pelosi doing anything.

  33. when are these newspapers going to stop pretending that whites have all this power?

    if we really did our countries probably wouldn’t be getting overrun by illegal aliens and fake refugees

  34. Lot says:
    @Hodag

    Median income is $125,000 in Olympia Fields, making it one of the richest black majority areas in the USA, but a big nice looking 4-bedroom house on an acre lot is $225,000. Mortgage on a $225,000 house is about $1000 a month. So it seems people there are paying about 5% of their income for some really nice housing.

    Upper class black privilege!

  35. @Almost Missouri

    Excellent points.

    But these “experts” are the same ones that tell us the law of supply and demand does not apply to the labor market.

    They also tell us raising the minimum wage, flooding the market with unskilled labor and encouraging the Bezos of the world to implement AI/robotics to eliminate the need for low-skilled labor is a recipe for an economic boom and Utopia.

  36. Danindc says:
    @Hodag

    Olympia Fields is now a bad neighborhood? They had a US Open there. Jim Furyk weeps.

  37. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    “In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class. Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider.

    A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won’t fulfill any of his election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics.”

    Linh Dinh, “Orlando Shooting Means Trump for President,” as published at The Unz Review, June 12, 2016

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  38. @Lot

    And why would she do anything, the Dems only have to maintain the status quo to ultimately gain a supermajority in the USA due to demographics.

    Trump is turning into a horrendous disappointment, God bless him for trying, but he’s basically entirely flipped to the neocon side now. The more he cucks, the less likely he is to win 2020 (unless “”they””) flip the election for his good behaviour.

  39. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Our best policy with China, Africa, and the Muslim world are disengagement at every level. They seek to exploit and surpass us.

    Finally Lot gets it.

    Trump lost the GOP House by cucking to the Kochs, passing a tax increase on the upper middle class while cutting it for billionaires. Breaking his word on closing the “carried interest” loophole Wall Street pension-stealers love.

    Did the tax bill in fact impose a tax increase on the upper middle class?

    • Replies: @Lot
  40. res says:

    One interesting point from the WaPo article:

    By contrast, in a small number of cities, black homeowners actually enjoy a price premium relative to homes in majority-white neighborhoods. In Boston, for instance, that premium works out to a gain of about 23 percent.

    Any ideas why? Table 6 gives a couple of clues, but seems insufficient to explain the reversal of sign.

    The description of their analysis in the PDF is less than compelling. It looks like they are doing a regression analysis and assigning any unexplained variance to racism. As if there is no noise in the data, all relationships really are linear, and they have included all the relevant variables. Then there is the issue of direction of causality…

    Does anyone here think crime rates might make a difference? ; )
    A bit long because I wanted to include the full context.

    Exposure to crime is an important neighborhood characteristic that likely affects home values. Unfortunately, comprehensive data on crime is only available at the county-level, and our analysis did not find that neighborhoods located in counties with higher crime rates had lower property values. We do, however, control for the median age of residents in the neighborhood and the percent of families that are single-mothers with children under 18 living in the home. Both are correlated with crime rates (-.28 and .47 respectively), suggesting that we are likely capturing crime effects in our analysis.
    To further investigate this, we obtained data from 10 large cities from U.S. City Open Data Census where crimes were coded using geo-coordinates. The analysis is described in more detail in the Appendix. Adding crime to our model did not affect our estimates of the association between black population and home values, providing further reassurance that explicitly measuring crime at the neighborhood level would not change the conclusions of this research.

    From Table 1A violent crime correlates 0.38 with percent black in neighborhood.

    More omitted variables:

    We did not include household income or education directly in our model to estimate devaluation. Income and education reflect the buying power of individuals, and naturally, both tend to rise along with home values. Including them in the model would essentially test whether homes in black neighborhoods are over or under-valued relative to the purchasing power of residents; in other words, it would be estimating the affordability of housing.

  41. Since in my experience this is mostly about crime, let’s see how the authors handled it. They used neighborhood crime data from ten cities: Washington D.C., Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Boston, Chicago, Durham, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles. Here’s an interesting sentence: “We find that violent crime predicts significantly lower property values and is highly correlated with the black share of the population. This makes violent crime a potentially confounding variable for our analysis…”

    They then go on to say that even if they control for violent crime, there’s still a ~20% gap. I don’t understand this, but I am not a social scientist. Few if any white neighborhoods can match the violent crime rate of the black neighborhoods in these major cities. Take Chicago. Here’s a map of homicides over the last six months (keep in mind only the crime in the city of Chicago is shown, so the sudden disappearance of crime on the west side of the map is because those areas are suburbs): https://www.crimereports.com/home/#!/dashboard?lat=41.8998494600323&lng=-87.67021179199219&zoom=12&incident_types=Homicide&start_date=2018-06-05&end_date=2018-12-02&days=sunday%252Cmonday%252Ctuesday%252Cwednesday%252Cthursday%252Cfriday%252Csaturday&start_time=0&end_time=23&include_sex_offenders=false&current_tab=map&shapeIds=&shape_id=false&position_id=6atb-xj88-row-j3j3-3ab2_ewdt.

    The homicide rate in the black neighborhoods is astronomically higher, almost like a switch has been flipped. (Use this map https://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/ to see where the black neighborhoods are.)

    • Replies: @academic gossip
  42. Twinkie says:
    @Alec Leamas

    corresponding name for blacks moving into primarily white neighborhoods and depressing property values.

    To borrow from another thread, “isolated crimes” and “most crimes are committed by whites.”

  43. Mike1 says:
    @Lot

    That’s not the mortgage on $225,000. Don’t use the Google mortgage calculator they don’t bother to keep up with current interest rates (which are over 5% with 20% down).

  44. OT: In the ongoing debate over whether the U.S. is heading toward a crappy but not particularly anti-White society, a la California and Texas, or a dystopian, officially-sanctioned (well, more officially-sanctioned) anti-White society where we and our children will be openly persecuted, I present evidence for the latter: Virginia AG Mark Herring’s new hate crime legislation.

    The bills would:

    1) Update Virginia’s definition of “hate crime”: This bill will create protections against hate crimes committed on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.

    2) Empower the Attorney General to prosecute hate crimes: This bill will allow the Attorney General to prosecute hate crimes through the Commonwealth’s network of multijurisdictional grand juries.

    3) Prohibit Paramilitary Activity: This bill will further restrict the kind of paramilitary activity by white supremacist militias and similar groups that was seen in Charlottesville in August 2017.

    4) Identify and intervene in the actions of violent white supremacist and hate groups: This bill will give law enforcement agencies more tools to identify hate groups and white supremacist organizations that have perpetrated acts of violence, making it harder for these groups to operate and allowing for intervention before groups can commit planned acts of violence.

    5) Firearms at Permitted Events: This bill authorizes communities to ban firearms in a public space during a permitted event, or an event that would otherwise require a permit.

    6) Keep guns away from those convicted of hate crimes. This bill will close a loophole and ensure that anyone convicted of a hate crime is barred from possessing a gun.

    If you can’t see how this could be used to take away the rights of the White to organize and to have guns, you’re an idiot.

    Number 1 & 2 would give the AG almost unlimited ability to define a hate crime and thus prosecute anyone who doesn’t follow the party line. Point out that blacks have a lower IQ than Whites. Hate crime! You’re arrested. Of course, that would also mean that you can’t own a gun.

    Number 3 more or less bans Whites from holding rallies or protesting. It’s paramilitary.

    Number 4 looks to be a sort of RICO way of stopping Whites from meeting at all. I mean, what is a “hate group?” What if Whites try to form a group advocating for the rights of Whites? I suspect that this AG would find that to be hateful. Also, what acts of violence? What if one of the members of the group gets in a fight with Antifa at a rally like the Proud Boys situation. He’s committed an act of violence, so the whole group would be under investigation and thus could be legally infiltrated.

    Number 6 is just a way to get around the 2nd Amendment.

    Granted, these bills have little change of getting passed at the moment, but what happens when VA’s assembly goes Democrat. Herring has plenty of support in his party. (Northern Virginia’s very wealthy, very powerful Jewish community is strongly backing this.) You think blacks and browns are worried about this legislation applying to them. Of course not. It’s openly directed at Whites.

    The West Coast has terrible demographics but seems to be more laid back. But what happens when you combine California demographics with East Coast Puritan busy-bodies and their paranoid Jewish backers?

  45. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    Unfortunately, comprehensive data on crime is only available at the county-level

    I find this difficult to believe. Surely police departments have crime data that allows for an understanding of neighborhood versus neighborhood crime.

    From Table 1A violent crime correlates 0.38 with percent black in neighborhood.

    Controlling for income?

    • Replies: @res
    , @Carol
  46. Twinkie says:
    @res

    It looks like they are doing a regression analysis and assigning any unexplained variance to racism.

    What other explanation could there be? It’s always white racism when things go badly for blacks. Blacks commit higher rates of crime? A result of white racism. Blacks have lower employment rate? White racism. Low educational attainment? White racism. A Korean shopkeeper shoots a black looter/arsonist? White racism internalized by Koreans and, of course, white racism enraging blacks into understandably violent reactions such as looting and burning down Korean-owned stores.

    This isn’t science. The desired explanation is already pre-determined.

  47. The statistical analysis doesn’t matter. The logic doesn’t matter. None of it matters.

    We live in a time of show trials. Do you think Stalin’s prosecutors needed compelling evidence and logical conclusions?

    Sorry, Steve, but I think that the time of trying to win the game (and influence elite opinion) by pointing out the logical flaws and poor data of the other side is fast coming to a close. You gave it a great try, and we all appreciate it, but it may be time to start thinking about new strategies for a new war.

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Kylie
  48. Jack D says:
    @res

    It sounds to me like they are making excuses for omitting the most relevant variables from their model so that the model would give them the conclusions that they want. “As long as you ignore the fact blacks have high criminality and low income, the main cause of low housing prices in black neighborhoods is white racism.” Very weak sauce.

    They also ignore that living in a black neighborhood means that no only do you have to put up with black criminality but with other annoying black behaviors – loud parties, messy yards, cars with booming stereo systems, etc. It’s hard to find statistics that will account for that.

    And the big one – bad schools. People will pay a big premium for a top notch school system (sending your kid to private school can be upwards of $30K per year per kid so this is not irrational).

    Near where I live is the county seat of Montgomery County, PA – Norristown. Norristown was once upon a time a mill town – there were textile mills along the river. These are long gone. The main business that is left is the ever expanding county government and courthouse. The old row houses built for the mill workers are no great shakes (although they would still be worth a fortune if they were in Georgetown instead of Norristown) and are today occupied by blacks and increasingly Mexicans. But on the fringes of town are the grander homes on large lots built for the mill owners and professionals – some of these houses are quite grand, even palatial and crime is not that high. But these houses still sell for a song (relative to the nearby Main Line suburbs) because your kids would have to attend the Norristown schools with all the vibrants. As soon as you cross the border between school districts and your kids are entitled to attend a better (whiter) school, housing prices are much higher on the other side of the line. If you look at real estate ads, buyers are acutely aware of what school district is associated with a particular house.

    One of the reasons that gays are the first to gentrify a neighborhood is that they don’t have kids and so don’t care about the school system.

  49. “White racism” is only possible when you have people who (trade away their God-given ethnic heritages and) agree, when asked by their government to stand and be counted, to be “white”.

  50. Anon[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    1. Affordable housing is good.
    2. Low property values are bad.

    What part of this do you not understand?

    • LOL: bomag
  51. Travis says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Good point…Having seen the wealth of my Grandfather destroyed due to Blacks moving into his neighborhood in Philadelphia and now seeing the wealth of my parents being destroyed by Blacks moving into their town , it seems the Blacks are getting the better deal…they are able to buy homes at depressed prices due to the white flight they cause, resulting in lower cost housing for themselves while causing the value of whites real estate holdings to fall. It is a win-win for Blacks…While the initially waves of Blacks into our white suburb benefit from the Good Schools, the property taxes quickly rise as Blacks become 10% of the population,which results in 20% of the Students in the district being Black resulting in fewer whites moving into the town, rising crime, and deteriorating schools. Quickly the population became 20% Black , but the schools are now 40% Black resulting in housing costs being about 50% less costly than the neighboring town with identical housing stock (but now with better schools)

    From my experience his estimates are lowballing the effect of Blacks on the housing prices, probably because he ignores the reason towns with Blacks must have higher property taxes and will also have higher crime rates due to the increased number of blacks in the neighborhood…Thus we cannot find a Black town with low property taxes and low crime and good schools…because no such town exists.

    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
  52. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    “loud parties, messy yards, cars with booming stereo systems”

    Or all three at once! Am I the only one who’s seen an impromptu party consisting of a running car parked in a driveway blasting shouty rap music and beer bottles strewn all over the yard? Probably not since I’ve seem this many times.

    “One of the reasons that gays are the first to gentrify a neighborhood is that they don’t have kids and so don’t care about the school system.”

    Gay privilege!

    We missed a chance for a grand compromise circa 2004. The right consents to gay marriage, the gays support a natalist bachelor tax, whose original advocate, for the very same reason, was none other than Caesar Augustus. Could C. Aug.-admirer Zuck run on this?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Buffalo Joe
  53. Sapwood says:
    @Alec Leamas

    but no corresponding name for blacks moving into primarily white neighborhoods and depressing property values.

    “Urban decay”

  54. prosa123 says:

    “As soon as you cross the border between school districts and your kids are entitled to attend a better (whiter) school, housing prices are much higher on the other side of the line.”

    An odd exception is along the northerly part of the Queens – Nassau County border, where prices are roughly the same on either side. If you focus just on schools, house prices in Queens should be much lower, because NYC schools are dreadful while many of the Nassau districts are far better. As a counterpoint, however, property taxes are FAR higher in Nassau, even if you account for effects of the city income tax, due to the massive commercial tax base in Manhattan subsidizing city residential property taxes and the comically unimaginable corruption of Nassau County government. So everything pretty much evens out.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  55. > That’s the “cost of racial bias,” as the authors put it, “amounting to $156 billion in cumulative losses” accruing to black homeowners. …

    We’ve spent what, two trillion dollars on wars in the Middle East over the past 17 years? $156 billion sounds like a bargain. I’m getting to the point where I’d be ok with giving every black home owner $48,000 just to make the “structural racism” rhetoric go away.

  56. So whites are forced into ever more expensive neighborhoods, no scratch that, whites are forced to build new neighborhoods (about once a generation) farther away from diverse areas in order escape black dysfunction, pay a premium for housing, become more isolated and contend with longer work commutes. This phenomenon has been studied and the findings conclude-white racism. They call that chutzpah.

  57. Billy says:

    No way to win…

    Whites don’t buy supposedly undervalued real estate in black neighborhoods: they’re racist and depressing black wealth.

    Whites do buy supposedly undervalued real estate in black neighborhoods: the neighborhoods gentrify, robbing blacks of affordable housing.

    Why not:

    Whites don’t buy supposedly undervalued real estate in black neighborhoods: they’re leaving terrific real estate bargains to blacks.

    Whites do buy supposedly undervalued real estate in black neighborhoods: they’re increasing black wealth.

  58. Ctrl + F + “crim” = { }

  59. @Hodag

    Holy Cow, Hodag!

    The price on that is insane. You can live in the Chicago metro, in a nice tudor 4-bedroom, on a huge lot, with your ginormous deck overlooking a famous golf course for … peanuts!

    Damn, black privilege is a real thing.

  60. @academic gossip

    Skimmed the paper you referenced. The straightforward use of the term “chocolate cities” by this academic was a bit startling. Not to mention the tiny populations of what he calls cities – more like neighborhoods.

  61. AndrewR says:

    Amazon should be targeted with the full force of the state, if for no other reason than to stick it to Bezos, the owner of this disgusting anti-white tabloid.

  62. @Alec Leamas

    no corresponding name for blacks moving into primarily white neighborhoods and depressing property values.

    I still think of this as “blockbusting.” The Wikipedia entry, and explanations I see online describing it as a way to scare people into selling their homes below market value, do not describe the term as I was taught it. “Blockbusting” was an SJW goal of getting black people into previously homogeneous white neighborhoods. This was first explained to me by a 20th century radical who was proud of the process.

  63. @Almost Missouri

    The price is a ratchet: unidirectional. No one – not even Negroes themselves – wants to live in a neighbourhood full of Negroes, so the low price harms those seeking to sell the house, leave, and invade other neighbourhoods, but it helps no one because no one is seeking to move to the neighbourhood.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  64. Altai says:

    Economics as a profession can’t be saved. Burn it all down and start again. Just destroy all the buildings and bump salt on the foundations so nothing can ever grow there again.

    Payment of rent or taking out of loans for mortgages are the ultimate forms of parasitic rentier economic activities. Here we have an author complaining that the poorest segment of America is paying (Though still too much) less for rent and mortgages than the richer segments?

    The author thinks everyone is upper middle class and can speculate (Or could have speculated about 15 years ago at most) on houses. Not everyone is 55+ and bought their home when it was reasonably priced and accured ‘wealth’ from the unhealthy price inflation. Where do you think that ‘wealth’ comes from? Somebody else overpaying for the home and consequently delaying children and having fewer of them.

    This is the central illness of Western democracies. When the topic of economic policy comes up, everyone pretends they want the same thing but the others are just ‘wrong in their theory’. This is false, every economic policy has winners and losers. Who do you want to help, who do you want to hurt?

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Autochthon
  65. I guess he missed the story that there are blacks who will pay a premium to move out of a black neighborhood.

  66. @Alec Leamas

    Gantryfication. Everything that can be hoisted up and moved is hoisted up and moved.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  67. @Alec Leamas

    It must mean that Americans just love gay men, giving them a property value premium for no good reason, right?

    There is a measurable difference in the town where I live between the areas that are incorporated into the local highly desirable school system and those that are in the other good but less desirable schools. The premium could easily be as much as $50-150 k! Most gays don’t have children so they can live in an area that is just an enclave or a fortified / gentrified neighborhood in an otherwise chaotic and violent city. You can live in a city with a nice view, good restaurants, and a short commute but if your kid gets pounded on and slowed down academically by the vibrants in his class you are not going to be happy, even if you can safely lock yourself into a secure apartment / building every night.

  68. Bubba says:
    @Arclight

    LOL! Yes, I agree, it’s quite a large risk for a black (or white or pick any race) to own a home near other blacks so please give them the discount.

  69. Tiny Duck says:

    The reason white families don’t want to be in majority Black neighborhoods is because the white males know that their daughters and wives will lust after Black Men

  70. istevefan says:
    @Alec Leamas

    It’s kind of funny that we have a name for whites moving into primarily black, blighted neighborhoods in an urban core and improving property values – “gentrification” – but no corresponding name for blacks moving into primarily white neighborhoods and depressing property values.

    How about diversify or desegregation?

  71. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Isn’t there a bachelor tax already in the sense that gays have to pay school taxes but don’t send any kids to school?

  72. @Lot

    Lot, My wife and I volunteer at an inner city soup kitchen. Add garbage strewn around the streets and glass blocks and iron gates as “windrow treatment”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Johnny Smoggins
  73. @istevefan

    How about “There goes the neighborhood.”

  74. Dr. Doom says:

    The White Racism Holding Down Black Egos, By I M A Token, Ph.T Grievous Studies

    Many be puzzled by what beholden down blacks. Some says it be gravity, but that’s a cop out. More needs to be done in removing barriers to black wealth. More money need be spent. More money be allocated. More money be taxed to pay for the debts of the horrible tragedy of Civil Rites.
    We all be seeing how President Obama moved some of our people into good neighborhoods, but then when they moved in, shots done rung out and black bodies be bleeding. The Klan is alive today, I say.
    Only by moving blacks to safer places with more money can tragedies like this be removed from the black lives that matter. It matter. It be a matter we needs to discuss. With money.
    Reverend Doctor Lawyer BLT, jr. done said,”Show us you care. Show me the money.” Praise the Lord. Hallow Louis Reverend BLT! Its what you all need to hear.
    We need more dollars. Many more. These ghettos won’t do anymore. Bad schools. Crime. Violence.
    Show us you care. Show us the money.

    “The kind of straight talking we need for the vision of the new normal.” Oprah Winfrey, inc.

  75. @Jack D

    One of the reasons that gays are the first to gentrify a neighborhood is that they don’t have kids and so don’t care about the school system.

    Without reading your post, you and I said almost the exact same thing (see below).

    Eventually when things get really bad, I suspect that whites will begin to re-colonize rural parts of the country. How much do you need to live on and raise children? The idea of buying an older house and putting sweat equity is not so bad but if you have to fight the undertow it is like fighting the second law of entropy socially. All of your energy is going into warding off the vibrants.

    Having lived in SF and seen the different neighborhoods up close, gays like the rest of the population are basically apartment dwellers. It is one thing to live with one fussy clean roommate but when you have more that 1.7 kids and a dog you start needing more room, particularly if your children cannot go outside without armed guards.

    I one time knew someone who was the highest ranking executive at a US subsidiary of a major Japanese company. One reason the Japanese spend so much money in restaurants is that they don’t entertain in their houses. The are just too small. This includes high level Japanese. When his bosses would come to the US, the tradition would be for him to host and what a typical American would do is invite them to his home and barbecue in an actual backyard. This set up an embarrassing situation because he lived in what seemed like a mansion even though he was a level below (no round eyes could go above his position in the company).

  76. Lurker says:

    Tl;dr muh Magic Dirt.

  77. @istevefan

    In olden thymes they called it “Blockbusting” and they blamed the Realtors. Now I guess it’s the Feds getting busy “Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing”….

  78. JimB says:

    Did Christopher Ingraham ask any blacks if they would like whites to move into their neighborhoods and drive up rents and home prices.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
  79. @Alec Leamas

    “It’s kind of funny that we have a name for whites moving into primarily black, blighted neighborhoods in an urban core and improving property values – “gentrification” – but no corresponding name for blacks moving into primarily white neighborhoods and depressing property values.”

    How about “infection?”

  80. res says:
    @Jack D

    One other thing, they included a link to a spreadsheet with all of the majority black towns and cities in the US: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/metro_20171004_final-of-black-cities-list-with-charts-2015-acs-10-3.xlsx

    Norristown is 36% Black and 28% Hispanic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norristown,_Pennsylvania#Demographics

    I wonder how the analysis would look if it was done looking at majority (Black + Hispanic) cities.

    Below the more is majority Black cities in Pennsylvania in case you (or anyone else) are interested:

    [MORE]

    State Geography Total Population Black Population % Black Population

    Pennsylvania Harrisburg 49,232 26,220 53.3%
    Pennsylvania Chester 34,016 25,257 74.3%
    Pennsylvania Wilkinsburg borough 15,866 10,675 67.3%
    Pennsylvania Coatesville 13,152 6,659 50.6%
    Pennsylvania Yeadon borough 11,506 10,656 92.6%
    Pennsylvania Darby borough 10,693 8,941 83.6%
    Pennsylvania Lansdowne borough 10,614 5,706 53.8%
    Pennsylvania Sharon Hill borough 5,693 3,858 67.8%
    Pennsylvania Duquesne 5,556 3,624 65.2%
    Pennsylvania Farrell 4,852 2,560 52.8%
    Pennsylvania Homestead borough 3,144 2,291 72.9%
    Pennsylvania East Lansdowne borough 2,672 1,400 52.4%
    Pennsylvania Colwyn borough 2,559 1,984 77.5%
    Pennsylvania Rankin borough 2,190 1,677 76.6%
    Pennsylvania Braddock borough 1,989 1,398 70.3%
    Pennsylvania East Pittsburgh borough 1,827 940 51.5%

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  81. @Almost Missouri

    They claim being in a Black neighborhood knocks about 25% off the value of a house for a total loss of $56B in real estate values.

    But the people who collectively lost the $56 Billion were those who bought when there were fewer Blacks in the neighborhood and sold when there were more Blacks.

    That process could take awhile, but undoubtedly the net distribution of wealth is from White sellers to Black buyers.

  82. Jack D says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    A lot of Philadelphia row houses of a certain vintage have open porches in the front. In certain vibrant neighborhoods, almost all of the porches are enclosed with iron bars, giving a very decorative jail cell effect.

    • Replies: @Anon
  83. JimB says:

    In the lefty areas where blacks live, property assessments and property taxes tend to be high. Since homes are bought to be lived in, not flipped so the owner can take cash off the table for a new scheme to make more money, it’s better to have an undervalued asset.

  84. This thread is hilarious. They’re giving you an intellectual swirlie and everybody is flummoxed as to why.

    It’s because they can. Until you stop them, they will continue to.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  85. @Alec Leamas

    I’d also bet you could do similar statistical analysis and find that gay men have an inverse effect on property values – they move in and over a short time horizon property values increase. It must mean that Americans just love gay men, giving them a property value premium for no good reason, right?

    It just means they don’t have kids, so they don’t have to worry about the school district.

  86. Hunsdon says:
    @Jack D

    It’s funny how, if you set out to find something, you can often manage to find it.

  87. Anonymous[543] • Disclaimer says:

    The market is working exactly how it is supposed to. A neighborhood where people tend to commit more crime, more likely to be unemployed or go into bankruptcy, to turn their homes into drug dens, to not keep up their property, to contribute less to the general social welfare of the neighborhood… sounds like only a drop of 48k per home is doing them a favor. Probably due to gaslighting from the media.

  88. Yissy says:
    @Jack D

    Isn’t there a bachelor tax already in the sense that gays have to pay school taxes but don’t send any kids to school?

    That’s the “Jealousy Tax” levied by people who married and had children.

  89. Jimi says:
    @Jack D

    “One of the reasons that gays are the first to gentrify a neighborhood is that they don’t have kids and so don’t care about the school system.”

    Also the tough young latino and black men are a draw for older gay guys looking for rough trade.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  90. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m confused. Did I time travel last night? What year is this; 2018 or 1964? Same old same old it’s deja vu all over again.

    Grading neighborhoods in terms of crime schools and students behavior is simple.

    White A B. Turns Black F minus minus minus Turns Hispanic B C

    White A B Turns Black F minus minus minus
    turns Back to White A B

  91. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Lot

    Or they could buy a pokey studio flat in bad condition in a bad area of London…

  92. MarkinLA says:
    @Lot

    He hasn’t signed that Executive Order about birthright citizenship yet, has he? It is obvious that he is a pussy who only fights on Twitter.

    • Replies: @Lot
  93. MarkinLA says:
    @Jack D

    One of the reasons that gays are the first to gentrify a neighborhood is that they don’t have kids and so don’t care about the school system.

    They also have double incomes and better design flair. They tend to move into areas that are architecturally significant but run down like when they moved into the area in Long Beach with all the old Craftsman style houses.

  94. istevefan says:

    It seems like they are having a narrative conflict. On the one hand they are pushing to replace whites. But on the other they are acknowledging that when whites are gone so too is the wealth. It seems they haven’t quite figured out how achieve the former without getting the latter.

  95. Whiskey says: • Website

    Setting the groundwork for a “White tax?” Not reparations since that would be a one time payoff, but an eternal White tax (I suppose people married to Blacks would be exempt).

    Would there be genetic testing to see who cannot avoid the White Tax? Would Sean King aka Talcum X be exempt? Rachael Dolezal? Eminem?

    Just asking.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  96. From what I understood of Modern American Mores:

    If Whites are not around, that’s segregation. And it’s bad.

    If Whites move out, that’s white flight. And it’s bad.

    If Whites move in, that’s gentrification. And mind you, it’s also bad!

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  97. But the authors — Andre M. Perry and David Harshbarger of Brookings and Jonathan Rothwell of Gallup — weren’t satisfied with that simple comparison based solely on neighborhood demographics. It’s too easy to explain that difference away with other factors, such as the structural characteristics of the buildings and access to good schools, good jobs and good stores.

    They wanted to isolate the effects of racism alone — to peel off all the other explanatory variables until they could “detect how much racism depletes wealth from black homeowners,” as they put it. In the end, they were left with one number: $48,000.

    Great. Did they control for the number of African-Americans in the neighbourhood?

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Forbes
  98. anon[402] • Disclaimer says:

    They wanted to isolate the effects of racism alone — to peel off all the other explanatory variables until they could “detect how much racism depletes wealth from black homeowners,” as they put it.

    It’s the same old story. Disparate outcomes for races can only be caused by white racism. No other cause of disparate outcomes can be considered or discussed.
    Just as Christianity replaced Paganism in late Rome, this new faith, whatever it will ultimately be called, is replacing Christianity. And replacing science, one should note, to the extent that it can and still keep the lights turned on.
    Oh how I hate blind faith and unreason.

  99. prosa123 says:

    OT: you should post something on the ongoing Paris riots. Far from being a minority affair almost all of the rioters are white people, wearing yellow safety vests.

  100. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    This thread is hilarious.

    What is so hilarious about it?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  101. Kylie says:
    @Alec Leamas

    “It’s kind of funny that we have a name for whites moving into primarily black, blighted neighborhoods in an urban core and improving property values – ‘gentrification’ – but no corresponding name for blacks moving into primarily white neighborhoods and depressing property values. I suppose some would say it is ‘white flight’ but I don’t think this quite captures it.”

    Infestation.

  102. That’s the amount the average home in a majority-black neighborhood is undervalued, relative to an identical home in an identical all-white neighborhood once you properly adjust for all the other structural and neighborhood characteristics that could plausibly affect that number. That’s the “cost of racial bias,” as the authors put it, “amounting to $156 billion in cumulative losses” accruing to black homeowners. …

    Of course, their methodology is idiotic, but the stupidest thing is that they have concluded that black homeowners get more than they pay for! And they think that’s racist! And that it harms them!

    The “undervaluing” thing happens on both ends (buying and selling), so by definition it has NO EFFECT whatsoever on liquid wealth, although it INCREASES actual wealth, again, because they get more than they pay for, by the authors’ own measures.

    God, these people are morons.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Bill Jones
  103. Forbes says:
    @prosa123

    The similar, but contrasting, consideration occurs at the border as between Westchester County, NY, and Fairfield County, CT (Greenwich, New Canaan). The schools would be roughly equivalent, e.g. Greenwich vs Scarsdale or Chappaqua (but not Port Chester). Meanwhile the high property taxes in Westchester keep real estate prices considerably lower than comparable Greenwich homes as the property taxes are much lower in CT.

    • Agree: prosa123
  104. Researchers start from a conclusion they are emotional and passionate about and work backwards to find data to support it to give their arguments authority.

    A lot of social science and political science works like that. Steve Sailer serves as an important counterbalance in highlighting the more absurd elements of this dominant social science tactic.

    Here, it’s obvious that the researchers emotional purpose to present the black race as victims, and the white race as villains.

  105. Anob says:

    Decades of racist policies … deed restrictions …” What decades are they taking about? 1900 through 1960?

    “They wanted to isolate the effects of racism alone — to peel off all the other explanatory variables until they could “detect how much racism depletes wealth from black homeowners,” as they put it.” So they are neutral, unbiased scientists, are they?

    By the way, Steve, grievance studies already has an answer to your gotcha. Just the other day I was reading about how white supremacy inculcates other races, and even blacks, with its evil. So the black chip shooting the black youth is acting out of white supremacy.

  106. Davosbane says: • Website

    The punchline at the end was great.

  107. @Alec Leamas

    It’s kind of funny that we have a name for whites moving into primarily black, blighted neighborhoods in an urban core and improving property values – “gentrification” – but no corresponding name for blacks moving into primarily white neighborhoods and depressing property values.

    White flight is a response to “black attack”. That’s the term.

  108. Dr. Doom says:

    Researchers for the Urban Studies Institute said that after removing factors such as education, substance abuse rates, past criminal records, and work histories, the only thing left to explain lower income amongst blacks was racism. This study should change perceptions of our social policies.

  109. This article along with Steve’s reader comments should be a case study incorporated into the appendices of every real estate appraisal textbook in the country.

  110. relative to an identical home in an identical all-white neighborhood once you properly adjust for all the other structural and neighborhood characteristics that could plausibly affect that number.

    My math ain’t great, but it doesn’t take any arithmetic to recognize these are at best subjective assumptions and at worst (and most likely) fantastic notions pulled straight from a statistician’s southernmost orifice.

    we can begin to address bigotry principally by giving black homeowners and policymakers a target price for redress

    Batant, undisguised poverty pimping. Is this study sponsored by the American Bar Association?

    @ ThirdWorldSteveReader – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDx6_PLIVk

  111. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    The term for blacks destroying neighborhoods is Instant Slumification.

    Or IS disease.

    Those 1940-1960 evil White racists who fled at the first sight of a black were right after all.

  112. JLK says:

    The study is detailed here:

    https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018.11_Brookings-Metro_Devaluation-Assets-Black-Neighborhoods_final.pdf

    I only spent a few minutes looking at this, but this appears to be at least one of the major flaws in their “analysis:”

    Exposure to crime is an important neighborhood characteristic that likely affects home values. Unfortunately, comprehensive data on crime is only available at the county-level, and our analysis did not find that neighborhoods located in counties with higher crime rates had lower property values.

    The methodology of their study was to contrast comparable homes in majority black neighborhoods with those in neighborhoods having than 1% black residency. However, by their own admission, they had no neighborhood crime data, only data at the county level. It seems to me that this makes it impossible to statistically control for higher crime rates in the majority black neighborhoods.

    This dismiss this with the statement that “our analysis did not find that neighborhoods located in counties with higher crime rates had lower property values.” That isn’t surprising, because most urban counties have a mix of high crime areas and expensive neighborhoods. This doesn’t mitigate the flaw in their analysis.

  113. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123

    That’s because they are protesting the rise in heating costs due not to rise in the cost of feul but the rise in the taxes on fuel used for heating.

    Why do you think California gas costs $4.29 a gallon? Most of the price is endless city county and state taxes added to the cost of gas.

    The more people do what the environmentalist tell us to do to save Mother Giai; work from home, walk bike or take public transit, drive a Prius the higher the cost of gasoline.
    That’s because as people buy less gasoline the greedy governments lose the gas tax money unless they slap $3 taxes on $1 worth of gasoline

    • Replies: @El Dato
  114. Kylie says:
    @prosa123

    BB has donned a yellow vest in
    solidarity with the protesters.

  115. @Jack D

    No, those taxes are investments since there is so much homo indoctrination now in public schools the pipeline for new twinks never shuts off.

  116. Forbes says:
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    until they could “detect how much racism depletes wealth from black homeowners,” as they put it.

    From an analytical perspective, this is a magic trick as NO wealth was depleted–most magic being a trick of distraction. In other words, getting you to look away from the object of interest (wealth) so as to make it appear to disappear. No wealth disappeared (depleted) because it never existed.

    All they’ve identified are two different price indexes for two different collections of housing assets. If the housing assets are equivalent–an equivalence not reflected in the prices–then an arbitrage opportunity exists for profit motivated speculators to capture.

    What they attribute to racism are differences between transactions occurring on different and distinct price indexes.

    It’s as if these pinheads have never learned the trite saying about the three most important characteristics of real estate: location, location, location.

  117. dearieme says:
    @Alec Leamas

    The opposite of gentrification – barbarisation?

  118. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Same in Watts, S Central Los Angeles the infamous Compton and other black areas.

    They aren’t row houses. They’re single family of various sizes, 1500 to 3,000 sq ft. Built before 1940 the Spanish style houses have an open colonnade in the front the rest porches and patios.

    And they’re all enclosed by those same elaborate cages. Most of the yards have cyclone fences with razor wire on top and a very nasty, very big dog chained in the yard. Bars on all the windows of course.

    It was quite a sight. I suppose the Hispanics have been removing the cages as the brave Hispanic colonists civilize the jungle. The first Hispanics into those neighborhoods were like Livingston and Stanley in Africa.

    Where’s our friend Jeff? He has a lot to say about what happened to all those nice White neighborhoods in Detroit?

    There’s a site, Ruins of Detroit check it out.

  119. I just don’t understand why we cannot send all the black kids to the best white schools. Maybe send all the white kids to the formerly black schools in exchange. Then the whites would do poorly on the SAT and ACT and the blacks would ace them, because of magic dirt or something. What, why not? This is all so confusing. I am getting a headache.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  120. Anon7 says:

    OT: Oh yes, people of Britain, you invited all those people in! An opinion in The Guardian:

    So often one hears that the British people “were not consulted” about immigration levels. To which the answer is: oh yes you damn well were. Every time you insisted on a properly staffed NHS, on social care that was halfway decent, on a service economy that worked, on affordable decorators, on your Tesco and Amazon deliveries arriving on time. Each time you took that landscape for granted, you were complicit in the immigration policy that preceded the Brexit vote.

    Let’s be honest about what’s really driving Brexit: bigotry

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  121. Svigor says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Thought it was called blockbusting.

    • Replies: @Lot
  122. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    In Austin TX for example that is the conundrum which perplexes the ultra liberal mayor and city council.

  123. neutral says:

    “How White Racism Destroys Black Wealth”

    This is true since it is easily observable that Africa is the richest region in the world, excepting South Africa of course which was much poorer than the other African nations.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, TomSchmidt
  124. Rosie says:
    @Jack D

    Isn’t there a bachelor tax already in the sense that gays have to pay school taxes but don’t send any kids to school?

    Paying the same as everyone else is not a “bachelor tax.” It only appears as such if you proceed from the anti-natalist assumption that having children does not contribute to the common good and is morally neutral.The childless, are effectively free-riding off the parental investments of others if they don’t pay higher taxes.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Disagree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Rosie
  125. @ben tillman

    And yet they rule over you absolutely and tighten the screws on you more every day.

    By you’re own reckoning, you must be dumb as a rock. Or perhaps intelligence is not that relevant to what is happening here.

  126. Wonkblog Analysis, providing laughable attempts at white guilt since mebbe… 2 or 3 hours ago.

  127. El Dato says:

    OT: France is a bit fraying at the edges

    • Replies: @prosa123
  128. I love these articles that studiously ignore the obvious.

    Home values in black neighborhoods are less because no one wants to live around blacks.

    That, in turn, is a function of black behavior. It has nothing to do with white racism at all. Whites could vanish tomorrow. Homes in areas with blacks would still be worth less than homes in areas without blacks.

  129. @Rosie

    ‘Paying the same as everyone else is not a “bachelor tax.” It only appears as such if you proceed from the anti-natalist assumption that having children does not contribute to the common good and is morally neutral…’

    In other words, it’s a bachelor tax. You’re not arguing it isn’t; you’re merely arguing that a bachelor tax is right and proper.

    • Agree: vinteuil
  130. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    That’s because as people buy less gasoline the greedy governments lose the gas tax money unless they slap $3 taxes on $1 worth of gasoline

    Which totally kills the economy unless you are so near government largesse that you can still afford your groceries.

    Also, it has been official EU policy to print the Euro to death. And so:

    https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/445312-yellow-vest-protest-france/

  131. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Paying the same as everyone else is not a “bachelor tax.” It only appears as such if you proceed from the anti-natalist assumption that having children does not contribute to the common good and is morally neutral.The childless, are effectively free-riding off the parental investments of others if they don’t pay higher taxes.

    Come to think of it, “cheap-riding” would be a more accurate term.

    Full fare: have children and pay taxes.
    Discounted fare (cheap-riding): not having children but paying taxes.
    No fare (free-riding): not having children and not paying taxes.

  132. @Hodag

    The houses overlooking Riviera and Bel Air golf courses are some of the most expensive in Los Angeles. They are high enough up so you’d never get smacked by a golf ball. Oligarchs are building 50k square foot houses above Bel Air.

    Olympia Fields South is one of the most fun golf courses in Chicagoland. (The North Course hosted the 2003 US Open, but it’s more testing than charming.) But it’s in the southern suburbs.

  133. @Anon7

    Because all those Caribs and Pakis are staffing the NHS?

    Well maybe, but not in a good way.

  134. @Rosie

    ‘Come to think of it, “cheap-riding” would be a more accurate term.

    Full fare: have children and pay taxes.
    Discounted fare (cheap-riding): not having children but paying taxes.
    No fare (free-riding): not having children and not paying taxes.’

    It’s kind of academic. Reducing the financial incentives to have children would be suicidal.

    We’ll look into it when the birth rate for citizens who actually pay the relevant taxes rises above a desirable level. Make a note to check in fifty years.

  135. @Jack D

    “One of the reasons that gays are the first to gentrify a neighborhood is that they don’t have kids and so don’t care about the school system.”

    Also young urban hipster types, straight out of uni and for whom kids would stop them enjoying city life.

    I lived in London squats for a year or so in the 80s. There were problems, like being robbed at knifepoint or burgled, but none of us had much to steal anyway. All middle class “alternative” types, would have been hippies ten years earlier, and the fact that the guys with the knives were black didn’t get mentioned – certainly didn’t stop our anti-racism.

    Those who stayed persuaded the (left-wing, full of similar middle class graduates) council to legalise their occupation with 50% ownership and the other 50% rent from the council. Those houses are now worth up to a million. Nice work if you can get it.

    (The tower-block council flats where the dealer gangs lived had iron-grille doors, too)

  136. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    If segregation qua segregation were the problem, then we would see white or nearly all-white neighborhoods suffering issues from it too (“redlining” is essentially another form of de facto segregation). Same with deed restrictions and exclusionary zoning. Lots of affluent white communities have all of that. Again, not the problem.

    I’m not quite sure what “deliberate hollowing out of urban cores” means.

  137. @Lot

    That’s about 10% of gross income, median on median. I remember when house payments (including taxes and insurance) of 28% of gross income was considered the max for lending to a family, after 10% or 20% down. That was back when banks were acting responsibly and all, because of no US Feral Gov’t backing.

    Right now, at these still-very-low interest rates, it is easy to meet that standard. With insurance of < $100 monthly, and property taxes (being on the high side in Illinois), say $250 monthly, then one could right now make $60,000 in the household to meet it.

    Of course, they're going to need to start mowing the damn lawn, and getting rid of those old refrigerators, water heaters, old rims, and malt liquor bottles too, in order to look really privileged. If you wanna be impotent, ya gotta look impotent, one of them told me.

  138. @JLK

    ‘…This dismiss this with the statement that “our analysis did not find that neighborhoods located in counties with higher crime rates had lower property values.” That isn’t surprising, because most urban counties have a mix of high crime areas and expensive neighborhoods. This doesn’t mitigate the flaw in their analysis.’

    It’s not a flaw — you’ve misunderstood the point of the ‘analysis.’

    The point is to attribute the lower home values to white racism. To do that, you have to omit the data showing the obvious: that there are major drawbacks to living around blacks.

    So such data is omitted from consideration. That way the desired conclusion can be reached.

  139. @Dave Pinsen

    ‘I’m not quite sure what “deliberate hollowing out of urban cores” means.’

    I wonder if such ‘hollowing out’ happens absent blacks. I suspect not; but it could be studied.

  140. @Rosie

    Also,

    Full fare: pay high mortgage, property taxes and home prices for first world social and infrastructure standards.
    Discounted fare (cheap riding): pay low mortgage, property taxes and home prices but still live in a first world society.
    No fare: (free riding): pay no mortgage, taxes or home price but live in first world hospitals, prisons and institutions.

    If we’re really gonna go full Perry-Harshbarger and attribute everyone’s costs right back to their neighborhoods, the ghetto denizens are gonna hafta cough up a lot more dough and stop free riding on everyone else.

  141. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @academic gossip

    We need a ‘Black Zuckerberg’ about as much as we need a brain tumour.

  142. @Jack D

    “One of the reasons that gays are the first to gentrify a neighborhood is that they don’t have kids and so don’t care about the school system.”

    Also, usually two incomes with no dependents.

    Also, no wives or daughters to worry about being abducted/raped.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  143. @Jack D

    One of the reasons that gays are the first to gentrify a neighborhood is that they don’t have kids and so don’t care about the school system.

    That’s a very good point that I’ve thought about regarding neighborhoods near me. Along with the other good explanations in reply, one of which I really, really, don’t want to know any more about, I’ll add this:

    No matter how else they may vary, I’ve not run into any gay man who didn’t have a pretty big left-wing streak in him. They may be scared of some of the neighbors, or not even ride the public transportation for the same reasons, but hardly any of them would say that out loud. The living in downtown Atlanta (FIRST, I mean, as gentrifiers) is one way of saying “Look at me. I’m hanging out with these people. It’s fine. I am very virtuous.”

    I have a non-gay friend who really does like living in the inner city and can handle himself pretty well, and he and the family bought a place in a sketchy area. This guy is no dummy, and does know what goes on, but he just thinks he can beat the odds. The kids went to Catholic school, I think. When he was out of town, his house got burglarized, and I mean “cleaned out” (his words). I think he’s still there … taking his (and their) chances …

    • Replies: @istevefan
  144. @JLK

    Every police station in the country has a push pin and digital map of crime, so I say Bull Effen’ Sheeeeit to these pinheads.

  145. istevefan says:
    @Whiskey

    You still think ostracizing Patrick Buchanan was the right thing to do?

  146. @Dave Pinsen

    “I’m not quite sure what “deliberate hollowing out of urban cores” means.”

    My guess is it means when guys like former mayor of Chicago Richard Daley work to remove blacks from low income housing located in prime real estate areas near downtown.

    Coincidentally, one of the first general destinations for all of those displaced blacks were the cluster of towns neighboring Olympia Fields: Chicago Heights, Homewood, Park Forest, Harvey, South Holland, Ford Heights, Hazel Crest, etc.

  147. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jack D

    The post says “good schools” was one of the variables they considered, which may be why they were only able to get “racism” to account for ~30% of the differences in home values.

    Where I live, the homes downtown now seem to be occupied by illegal aliens. They don’t have much parking (I think they were built when there was a trolley system), and the illegals don’t have cars.

  148. @Forbes

    “From an analytical perspective, this is a magic trick as NO wealth was depleted–most magic being a trick of distraction.”

    Indeed, all else being equal, between the black man who pays $100,000 for a house to live in 10 years then sells it at cost, versus the white man who pays $1,000,000 for the same size house to live in for 10 years before selling it at cost, the black man is better off since he has had only one tenth as much capital tied up for ten years.

    In the real world, of course, all else is not equal. The white man in the example needs a larger, more expensive mortgage, the white man pays more property tax, and the white man has to pay the occasional ruinous legal fee to defend himself from accusations of discrimination. And the white man’s house value might crash from blockbusting, while the black mans’ home value might soar due to gentrification. So in the real world the black man is much better off.

    So yes, this is a magic trick, but not just to distract you, but to convince you that the thing you are looking at is the exact opposite of what it is. It’s like looking only in the negative space of one of those MC Escher prints.

  149. @JLK

    They are just plain lying when they say they can’t get crime data. Everyone else manages to find it. Online real estate sites have neighborhood crime rates color coded. These are pretty small areas with many dozens per city.

  150. @Almost Missouri

    Yeah, but gays have nice shoes, bling, coke, poppers, primo weed, liquor and audio-visual equipment in their pads and they park nice cars close to their pads.

  151. @ben tillman

    One thing I’ve not seen mentioned is the condition of the property. How many houses in black neighborhoods have had 6 figure refits of the kitchen?
    (big on my mind because the wife is muttering)

  152. the Washington Post:

    Wonkblog Analysis
    How white racism destroys black wealth

    This is so iSteve-ish that I was actually astonished to find these lines in the Post. –

    These are the days of the perfect self-parody.

  153. istevefan says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Gays are 2 percent of the population. How much of an effect do they have in housing prices?

  154. J.Ross says: • Website

    Space Colony artwork from the 70s

    Toroidal Colony

  155. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Hannah Katz

    This would seem like a doable experiment. Simply pick neighboring areas where there’s an mostly black school and a mostly white one and do a 100% swap of the students, keeping all of the teachers and staff in place.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
    , @OilcanFloyd
  156. @res

    Oh, so that’s why I hear several Pittsburgh suburbs named as bad areas.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  157. @Jimi

    Resolved:iSteve fans should vote for a politician who supports not Free Trade or Fair Trade, but rough trade.

  158. @Dave Pinsen

    they should use stuyvesant as a test case. Instead of 100% meritocratic make it 100% diversicratic. After years of oppression blacks and hispanics deserve the best public school in NYC.

  159. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Forbes

    The win-win solution, as I’ve mentioned before, is to set up a real estate investment trust to buy up black neighborhoods and housing projects, give the current residents shares in the REIT as reparations (plus eminent domain compensation, for home owners), and then have the black residents move out to new, inexpensive, but well-furnished housing in the exurbs somewhere. Then redevelop the former black neighborhoods and projects as market-rate housing. The REIT’s market value will rise as the property values rise, and the former black residents who are now REIT shareholders will profit from it.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    , @JLK
  160. @Dave Pinsen

    Or you could compare scores after white flight. In my old neighborhood, the change was quick, but most of the teachers were still white long afterwards. Many black schools still have a good number of white teachers, even if blacks would prefer otherwise.

  161. @Bill Jones

    You need to tell the ol’ lady to keep her huwhite privilege in check. I’m sure she’ll understand since she will now have a ready made virtue signally explanation for all of her girlfriends and her mom and sisters.

  162. @istevefan

    I don’t know how big it is, but I do know that it’s FABULOUS!

  163. @istevefan

    In the national aggregate, not much. But gays like to cluster.

  164. @Dave Pinsen

    Trump would touch a deal like that with a 10 foot pole.

  165. JLK says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    That sounds like a good idea until you realize that it isn’t the homeowners in those communities who are the problem. Most of them are gainfully employed. If you move them, they’ll have to find new jobs.

    The problem is the marginally employable underclass. We should explore proposals to move them to specifically designed “communities of support,” where there is a strict embargo on firearms and illegal drugs, and employment in the form of simple jobs that reinforce a positive self-image.

  166. @JimB

    Did Christopher Ingraham ask any blacks if they would like whites to move into their neighborhoods and drive up rents and home prices.

    This.

    These academic scolds don’t give a damn about black folks or their wealth nor health nor safety. They care about getting published and feathering their own nests in white neighborhoods. I would give pretty good odds the author lives in a white neighborhood, for the “good schools” of course. If he could get paid to say the exact opposite thing, he would. He is a prostitute like the rest of them.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @JimB
  167. vinteuil says: • Website
    @JLK

    The methodology of their study was to contrast comparable homes in majority black neighborhoods with those in neighborhoods having than 1% black residency. However, by their own admission, they had no neighborhood crime data, only data at the county level. It seems to me that this makes it impossible to statistically control for higher crime rates in the majority black neighborhoods.

    This dismiss this with the statement that “our analysis did not find that neighborhoods located in counties with higher crime rates had lower property values.” That isn’t surprising, because most urban counties have a mix of high crime areas and expensive neighborhoods. This doesn’t mitigate the flaw in their analysis.

    Yes – that’s just instantly fatal, right there. No need to read further.

  168. sabril says:
    @JLK

    Sure, but what’s interesting is that pretty much everyone in America knows perfectly well that crime rates are significantly higher in black neighborhoods and that’s why people are willing to pay a premium to avoid living there. Even if you believe that black criminality is the result of white racism.

    And yet it seems this study completely ignores this central and critical fact.

  169. @Bill Jones

    none of my business, but wouldn’t you rather spend on pretty much anything else? one kitchen is pretty much the same as any other if it is clean and the appliances work. Don’t you spend your time in the family room or game room etc.? 6 figures would get you an awesome pool and spa. How many times could you eat out for the price of a new kitchen?

    obviously, schmoe here doesn’t understand the whole kitchen thing.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Kylie
  170. @BigDickNick

    they should use stuyvesant as a test case. Instead of 100% meritocratic make it 100% diversicratic. After years of oppression blacks and hispanics deserve the best public school in NYC.

    Then they would have to admit how racist the Stuyvesant teachers, admins, etc., are. Can you imagine the Asian parents heads exploding. Ah, to be a fly on the wall.

  171. drahthaar says:

    The Brookings report is illiterate. Brookings used to be synonymous with A-level policy analysis. The report makes no sense, even in its premises. Brookings let this garbage happen.

    • Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
  172. Rosie says:
    @Bill Jones

    (big on my mind because the wife is muttering)

    Oh no! Lol!

    Here’s your play: Stick to a strict budget, but give her full creative control. Avoid a monotonous run of cheap cabinetry. Get rid of the unitaskers and buy fewer but better cabinets.

  173. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Autochthon

    There’s plenty of formerly ratchet areas that have seen their prices ratchet up.

  174. @JLK

    We used to have that. Up until about 1865 that is.

  175. Lot says:
    @MarkinLA

    No he hasn’t. Kav makes 5 conservatives, time to sign in. If it fails at the Supreme Court, oh well. He should still try.

  176. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    As a whole, no. Those who have substantial state tax and mortgage deductions, yes.

    What’s galling is that while many of my neighbors are paying a little more, billionaires are paying a lot less.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Svigor
  177. @prosa123

    Looking from afar, France is becoming amazingly third-worldish in an amzingly short period of time.

  178. It’s almost as if people are willing to pay a premium, in order to avoid coming home to find someone sodomizing their wife with a broken bottle. I hate to be vulgar, but that’s the explanation for the $48K price differential. The rest is squid ink.

  179. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    Blockbusting was a specific practice that mostly occurred in the 60s and 70s. It isn’t what happened in Ferguson for example.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  180. @istevefan

    Not much, but that wasn’t my point. I was giving yet another explanation as to why gays are at the forefront of gentrification very often. Jack D’s original point that they don’t care about the school systems is probably primary though.

  181. prosa123 says:
    @El Dato

    Macron can’t deal with the riots because he’s too busy checking out nursing homes looking for his next mistress.

  182. MarkinLA says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    Well if you remember all those black “farmers” who were paid off in the loan discrimination suit where black farmers were unfairly denied government loans that white farmers got. I believe when it was finally settled there were somethin like 3 times as many recipients as there were black farmers.

    http://nlpc.org/2010/09/30/congressmen-request-probe-black-farmer-claims-question-pigford-case/

  183. @Lawyer Guy

    ‘There is a inner ring suburb outside Detroit that is half black and half Chabad Jewish. The Jews were able to get a lot of special treatment, special freeway crossing bridges, libraries and community centers closed on Sat and open Sunday, and so on.’

    Life must get interesting. Detroit is also a big destination for Palestinians and other Christian and Muslim Arabs.

    America’s future… I only wish the stupid swine in charge could see the hell they’re creating.

  184. @Joe Schmoe

    none of my business, but wouldn’t you rather spend on pretty much anything else? one kitchen is pretty much the same as any other if it is clean and the appliances workobviously, schmoe here doesn’t understand the whole kitchen thing.

    Dude, did you perchance grow up in ancient Sparta? No ,even passing, acquaintance with the female of the species?

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
  185. @Lot

    Those who have substantial state tax and mortgage deductions, yes.

    AMT always killed our deductions, though. They never mention the fact that it was well nigh impossible to deduct NY taxes as a middle class person because of AMT. the bill got rid of that, and it will serve as a tax cut.

    I will run my taxes next year with 2017′s Turbo Tax and see what cost more, 2017 or 2018. Perhaps we should have a thread about that.

    • Replies: @Carol
  186. At least the reader comments at WaPo are somewhat encouraging. A very large number of comments are simply laughing at the article for getting the story exactly backwards.

  187. …the median listing in a neighborhood where blacks make up less than 1 percent of the population stands at over $341,000.

    The face of white privilege, from Zillow.com:

    The median price of homes currently listed in Maine is $239,900.

    The median price of homes currently listed in West Virginia is $159,000 while the median price of homes that sold is $141,700.

    The median price of homes currently listed in Iowa is $169,900 while the median price of homes that sold is $157,300.

    The median price of homes currently listed in North Dakota is $219,995.

    The median price of homes currently listed in Kentucky is $184,000 while the median price of homes that sold is $151,600.

    The median price of homes currently listed in Minnesota is $259,900 while the median price of homes that sold is $226,000.

    Some exceptionally white cities:

    The median price of homes currently listed in Rochester [Minn., home to Mayo Clinic] is $254,900.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Saint Cloud [Minn.] is $170,000.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Duluth is $199,900.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Superior is $125,950.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Sioux Falls is $219,900.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Dubuque is $184,250.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Appleton is $169,900.
    The median price of homes currently listed in La Crosse is $169,900.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Lincoln is $229,000.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Scranton is $99,900.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Altoona is $85,950.
    The median price of homes currently listed in Spokane is $235,000 while the median price of homes that sold is $200,100.

  188. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    Yeah it seems to have left the lexicon, but it does seem more apropos than the alternatives offered so far.

  189. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    It’s worth getting mugged/ripped off if you can score some great drugs on a regular basis.

    Seriously, my old homo friends all were the victims of street crime and car theft, but they loved being able to buy drugs from the local dealers in downtown Sacramento. You couldn’t pay me enough to live there.

  190. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    “Neighbors” meaning “fellow blue-staters,” I take it? Here, bottled my croc tears for ya.

  191. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Controlling for income?

    I don’t think so. Just a raw correlation AFAICT.

    Which variables are the actual causes is a non-trivial question.

  192. Travis says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    good point…how many blacks does it take to depress housing Prices in a neighborhood and instigate white flight ? In my hometown the process took 12 years (to go from 2% Black to 21% Black), first it was gradual and then suddenly it almost seems too late to sell now once the Black population reached 20% and the student population is at 40% at the Public High School.

  193. Ed says:
    @Lawyer Guy

    Recent White flight from East Detroit public schools. As more blacks moved in white patents used MI school choice laws to move their students elsewhere without actually moving.

    I’d be curious what impact this has had on the property values there?

    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2016/09/school_choice_metro_detroits_n.html

    But as African-Americans moved north from Detroit into southern Macomb, thousands of white students used school choice to attend class elsewhere, in districts whiter than the ones they left.

    “You’d have to have your head in the sand to not see that some of it is racial,” said Ryan McLeod, the superintendent in East Detroit.

    Before Proposal A, parents wanting to switch schools had few options: They could pay tuition at a private school, or they could move their family to another district. With the passage of Prop A, families could remain in their homes and still change their children’s school, few strings attached.

    Last year, 11 of Macomb County’s 20 districts lost more students to choice than they received. For each of those 11 districts, the No. 1 destination was a traditional public public district more white than the one they left. And the Macomb district gaining the most choice students was Lakeview

    .

  194. @Anonymous

    Well there is the case that the minute the “refugee” lands in the USA his carbon output will increase at least 1000% if not 10,[email protected]

    That is the whole point of coming to the USA: Get more stuff made by burning fossil fuels.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  195. @kaganovitch

    I am female of the species. So, yeah.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @kaganovitch
  196. @Coag

    As the authors of a new Brookings Institution-Gallup study note, Zillow data shows that the median listing price of a home in a majority-black neighborhood in a major metro area is around $184,000, while the median listing in a neighborhood where blacks make up less than 1 percent of the population stands at over $341,000.

    I just want the WaPo to publish the list of places where blacks make up less than 1 percent of the population.

    That right there is what folks really want to learn from this article.

    • LOL: Rosie
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  197. @Anonymous

    The researchers determined (dubiously) that houses in Black neighborhoods are worth an average of $48,000 more than they cost.

    • Replies: @Veracitor
  198. @drahthaar

    The Brookings report is illiterate. Brookings used to be synonymous with A-level policy analysis. The report makes no sense, even in its premises. Brookings let this garbage happen.

    has there been a change in leadership or the board

  199. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @JLK

    Everyone would move. The REIT would buy the projects and other rentals too. Alternatively, you could exempt those with full time job who wanted to stay, if you wanted a soupçon of diversity.

  200. Kylie says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I hit the Lol button by mistake. I meant to hit the Agree button.

  201. Rosie says:
    @Joe Schmoe

    I am female of the species. So, yeah.

    Do you like to cook?

    I totally get the kitchen thing, but I don’t get the purse thing. BTW have you seen some of the workshops they’re advertising nowadays. I would be sincerely curious if any actual men would want something like this, space and budget permitting. I suspect the answer is yes.

  202. @Joe Schmoe

    That is the whole point of coming to the USA: Get more stuff made by burning fossil fuels.

    And, in the case of young, unattached men, getting the natives to burn coal.

  203. Rosie says:
    @Travis

    good point…how many blacks does it take to depress housing Prices in a neighborhood and instigate white flight ? In my hometown the process took 12 years (to go from 2% Black to 21% Black), first it was gradual and then suddenly it almost seems too late to sell now once the Black population reached 20% and the student population is at 40% at the Public High School.

    Wow. Twelve years is really fast. IOW, you could buy a house in a <2% black neighborhood, have two kids, and face a no-go public school situation by the time your oldest is in middle school. I wonder if that kind of thing has anything to do with the yellow vest protest in France.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  204. So $48,000 is the “black effect”, after statistically controlling for every other effect.

    In other words, take some mostly black area with typically underperforming dangerous schools, street crime ensuring there’s no charming little shopping district of attractive locally-owned bistros and art stores and coffee shops, and middle-aged people don’t stroll with their poodles. Now imagine an area exactly like that, except it’s 99% white: houses are now worth about $48,000 more, according to this study.

    See the problem? There’s no such thing as an all-white neighborhood that looks like that.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  205. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I think the magic % is anything nearing 10%, once you hit that number, it’s done for.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  206. Carol says:
    @Anonymous

    Absurd. I can go online and see incidents on the map for my town. Of course these are calls for service, not completely prosecuted court cases. But it’s still of interest to me how many thefts, disorderly conduct or vandalism calls are going on.

    Ironically, I can’t do that for the whole county.

  207. @Joe Schmoe

    “I just want the WaPo to publish the list of places where blacks make up less than 1 percent of the population. ”

    Well, all they have to do is look at the address on their drivers licenses.

  208. @Travis

    As I have said before, Richard Daley’s efforts to move blacks out of Chicago and into the surrounding suburbs completely destroyed my wife’s childhood town within a generation.

    But to answer your question I would say over 10% black and your property value starts to decrease.

  209. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I think any father would happily lose that stuff a thousand times over than lose a daughter.

    (I don’t know what poppers are, but that’s probably a good thing.)

  210. JimB says:
    @Joe Schmoe

    I would give pretty good odds the author lives in a white neighborhood, for the “good schools” of course.

    There is no such thing anymore as a good public school, only safe and unsafe.

  211. @Hodag

    Olympia Fields Country Club south of Chicago is $20k to join, down from $50k in 2008. Riviera in Pacific Palisades next to Santa Monica was $250k in 2011. Riviera has one course, that’s used for annual PGA tournament in LA and hosts occasional PGA major or last year’s US Amateur. Riviera is both tough and fun with quite a few eccentric features like a sand trap in the middle of the sixth green.

    Olympia Fields has 36 holes. The north course hosted the 2003 US Open, but the course, while tough, seemed a little repetitious. Chicago doesn’t quite have a world class tournament course, but it has a huge fan base, so there’s a lot of shifting around trying to figure out where to hold big tournaments in Chicago. Olympia Fields North is a worthy but unexciting possibility for hosting a big tournament.

    The south course at Olympia Fields is shorter but a lot of fun, with more ups and downs than most Chicago courses. When I played it in the 1990s it had some great holes but the course seemed a little miscellaneous in style. It has since been revamped and is said to be very good. So, Olympia Fields probably has two top ten in Chicagoland courses which makes it quite a facility.

    http://golfclubatlas.com/olympia-fields-country-club-north-course-pg-ii/

    Riviera and Olympia Fields both have enormous clubhouses to impress your guests.

    • Replies: @Hodag
  212. TTSSYF says:
    @Rosie

    That’s the biggest load of crap I’ve heard in a long time, outside of this article. Exactly how many children must one have, oh wise one, to be considered paying “full fare”? Does having only one child mean you’re only slightly better than a “cheap rider”? How about if you have ten? Does that shoot you to the top of the virtue ladder? Or how about if you have several, and only one of them becomes a productive citizen and the others become dead-beats or end up in prison? Would the “free-riders” then be due a rebate?

    Any person who earns an honest living, abides by the law, and pays what the law requires in taxes is paying full fare to live in this society, whether they have a passel of kids or not. End of story.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  213. @Travis

    It’s not win-win for blacks. When black people buy a house it encourages more black people to buy nearby. That lowers the property values for everyone in the neighborhood. This is obviously bad news for the black people who were already owning in that neighborhood.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  214. @Buffalo Joe

    Maybe if you didn’t feed them they’d go away and Buffalo would be a more pleasant place to live.

    Jesus might not appreciate it but your neighbours sure would.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  215. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    (I don’t know what poppers are, but that’s probably a good thing.)

    Amyl nitrate ampoules.

    Also in regard to the OP, interest in stereo equipment always did have a gay element, but today the percentage of people still into this is hugely gay, and most tend to be not technical or even antitechnical-they throw money around for stuff marketed by the most transparent hucksters and quack-medicine-vendor types. I finally completely lost interest in it after realizing that if it appeals that strongly to this element it might be a neurotic tail chasing endeavor to start with.

  216. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    If they are eating at soup kitchens, they are probably unfortunates and not genuine willful varmints. Feed them the soup but make sure they get the soap and salvation to go along with it and strictly enforce behavior norms. Get the able bodied ones to at least show a token effort at sweeping the floor, taking out trash, that kind of stuff. Some of these programs have done some good.

  217. @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Funny, in my reply to Travis (#212) – I also said 10%.

  218. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    The problem with this issue about ‘racism’ is it is always treated as a matter of subjectivity, esp in the presumably diseased minds of whites. So, the only reason why the world is ‘racist’ is because ‘racist’ ideas are in the minds of white folks. Remove those ideas from the mind and the world will be made un-’racist’.

    Now, if reality were only subjective, maybe this would be true. If reality were like dream-logic where the ‘world’ warps in accordance to one’s thoughts and emotions(within the dream), one could conclude that the problem is in the head. Buddhism sort-of believes in such concept of reality. It teaches that what we consider to be reality is all just an illusion. Nothing is really real. Real isn’t real. Our perceptions of the world aren’t real or really real. They are just illusions, tricks of the mind.

    But reality isn’t just some illusion or thought. There is real reality out there, an objective reality. If ‘racism’ were purely subjective, a matter of the mind, then one could argue that we can change ‘racist’ results by removing ‘racist’ ideas. Such argument assumes that we act ‘racist’ and maintain a ‘racist’ world because we have ‘racist’ ideas and those ideas shape our behaviors. “I think ‘racist’, therefore I am ‘racist’.” If we get rid of such ideas, then we will stop thinking ‘racist’, and then, we will stop acting ‘racist’, and the world will be un-racist. Okay, that might be valid IF ‘racism’ is only a matter of subjectivity.

    But what if ‘racism’ or race-ism is a matter of objectivity, or objective truth. In other words, races and racial differences are objectively real regardless of what we think, feel, or hope subjectively? So, even if all of us do our best to eradicate ‘racism’ from our subjective minds, race-ism remains as fact in the real world as objective reality. (As -ism means belief, race + ism should really mean belief in the reality of race and racial differences and the inevitability of racial identity/consciousness.) Races did evolve differently, and general racial differences do exist. While every race has a wide range of individuals with various traits, certain traits tend to be far more common among certain races than among others. The ability to run fast is surely more common among West Africans. Also, some traits are virtually unique to one race. Nappy hair is a black African thing. You can’t find it among Europeans or Asians. And blue-eyes are almost exclusive to certain subsets of white Europeans.
    Some races are smarter, some are stronger & more aggressive, some are bigger, some are more impulsive, some are more neurotic, some are more passive, and etc. Then, it doesn’t matter what we think subjectively because objective reality remains regardless of our thoughts.
    It’s like we can disbelieve gravity as mere subjectivity, but it’s still there in reality as an actual objective force. We can say pain is a social construct or subjective delusion, but pain really exists in the nervous system of complex organisms. Similarly, all this focus on subjectivity of ‘racism’ overlooks the objectivity of race-ism. Objective Race-ism notices racial differences and their social consequences regardless of our subjective wishes or biases. After all, white subjective ‘racism’ failed to produce a white boxer who could beat Jack Johnson. Whites subjectively reassured themselves that white men are the superior athletes and could beat the Negro. But objective race-ism favored Jack Johnson because blacks evolved to be faster, more explosive in motion, and stronger-in-bone. White subjective ‘racism’(of wishing for white victory over the black) was no match for objective race-ism that favored the black man as the superior athlete. But just as subjective white ‘racism’ failed, so has subjective white ‘anti-racism’. White progs can subjectively reassure themselves that ‘race is just a social construct’ and that racial differences are phony. They can subjectively claim that all races are equal in brains and brawn. But reality is otherwise. Objective race-ism favors Jews in brains, blacks in brawn. Just look all around.

    When blacks fail more in school or act more violent, the libby-dib explanation is the lingering legacy of white ‘racism’ as subjectivity, i.e. because whites still have ‘racist’ attitudes in their minds, blacks have little chance. Or, black fail because they’ve been led to devalue their own aptitude in intellect because they internalized white ‘racism’ about black inferiority. So, all we need to do is remove the subjective virus of ‘racism’ from white and black minds. But what if it is generally true that genetics made blacks more impulsive & aggressive, and less intelligent. Also, what if the fact that blacks are tougher & more aggressive makes them feel contempt for ‘white’ learning and culture as ‘fa**ogty-ass’, therefore less willing to learn from lame ‘whitey’?
    Then, even if we try to eradicate ‘racism’ as subjectivity, it won’t do much good because race-ism as objectivity will still shape reality.
    This is certainly true in sports. Why do blacks excel far more than whites and esp Asians, Mexicans, Hindus, etc? We can blame subjectivity, i.e. blacks hold ‘racist’ views of themselves as more athletic whereas non-blacks hold ‘racist’ views of themselves as inferior to blacks in speed, jumping, and etc. And of course, one’s attitudes do shape one’s actions to an extent. But are most of our attitudes & outlooks merely a matter of subjective bias or delusion? Or, more often than not, are our attitudes based on observation of objective reality, whereupon all races, blacks and non-blacks, arrive at the conclusion that blacks do indeed have a decisive and objective racial advantage in sports and physical aggression/confrontation? So, in the end, it doesn’t matter what a black guy or Mexican guy thinks. The fact is LA Lakers will remain mostly black even though LA has many more Mexicans than blacks. It is because race-ism is an objective truth. Different races evolved from separation by 1000′s of miles and 10,000s(even 100,000′s) of years. It is no one’s fault because so many results in life are not decided by subjectivity but objectivity.

    Black areas have lower home values because blacks, being less intelligent, are going to have less income and be able to afford less. Also, blacks tend to be more aggressive and violent, and this leads to social degradation and declining property values. Also, due to black violence, many non-blacks(and even many blacks) try to avoid overly black areas. Indeed, non-blacks are willing to pay the Black Tax(or Blax) of higher home prices to live away from violent and threatening blacks. So, it’s not just that black property values are devalued but non-black property values are over-valued because so many non-blacks want to live apart from dangerous blacks.

    If ‘racism’ were purely subjective, then it should affect only ‘racist’ white conservative ‘who hate black people’. Let’s assume that white conservatives subjectively hold unwarranted negative views of blacks. So, they try to move away from blacks even though blacks are objectively no different from any other race. In contrast, let’s say ‘anti-racist’ white liberals are free of ‘racist’ subjective bias. They’ve been cleansed of ‘racism’ in their subjective minds and want to get along with Negroes. Now, if ‘racism’ were purely subjective, white liberals would have no problem with blacks.
    But in fact, even white liberals joined the white flight. Even Jewish Leftists like Howard Stern’s mother finally had enough and left the neighborhood when it became too black. No matter what these Jewish Leftists wanted to believe or espouse subjectively, the fact was objective reality remained race-ist, i.e. stronger blacks saw Jews as weak & easy victims. (In the Crown Heights Riots, Jews cowered in fright while tougher blacks did all the beating.) Even Liberal Jewish communities became more dangerous as the result of ‘too many’ blacks moving in. Why? Because blacks are naturally more muscular and more aggressive. And being less intelligent, they achieve less in school and work, and they figure an easy way to get free stuff is to rob whitey or Jewey.

    Ism means belief, and race-ism should mean belief in the objective reality of race and racial differences. It’s not a matter of subjectivity but objectivity. We can’t consciously wish or will ‘racism’ away because it’s not just in our minds. It is not just some illusion that we can eradicate via PC meditation toward SJW nirvana. Even if we reject it in our subjective souls, it remains outside us as external reality. Races exist, and they are really different.

    Now, sometimes, what we think of as ‘reality’ is a matter of internal belief system and has nothing to do external facts. Some people believe in fairies and angels, but it’s all in their minds. Tooth fairy is an internal fantasy, not external reality. And in those cases, eradicating false subjectivity can lead to better understanding of objective reality.
    Suppose some people subjectively believe that humans are not animals. They prefer to believe that humans are unique beings created by God and that evolution is false. Pat Buchanan subscribes to this false view. But no matter how much such people subjectively reject ‘animalism’ and reject the essential animality of man, the truth is it’s an objective fact that humans are really just another species of animals(of the primate variety). Evolution is real. Humans did arise from apes. So, no matter how much we subjectively denounce ‘animalism’, the objective truth is that we are also a kind of animal.

    And same goes for sexual differences or sex-ism(as properly understood). We can subjectively reject biological sex and cook up 50 or more ‘genders’ and play all sorts of silly games. We can denounce biological sex-ism 24/7. But it doesn’t matter what we think. Objective reality still exists, and there is male and female REGARDLESS of thought or wish or subjectivity. It doesn’t matter what Bradley ‘Chelsea’ Manning tells himself or ‘herself’. His ‘vagina’ is fake, and he was born with pud and balls because his DNA is coded with ‘this kid got pud and balls’.

    Maybe there is something in Christianity that is sort of similar to Buddhism. An idea that Good and Evil is really a matter of the heart/soul. Thus, a secular version of this view is that, “whatever is wrong in our society is a matter of our thoughts and feelings, and if we purify bad subjectivity from our minds, there shall be heaven on earth.” Protestantism, with its emphasis on direct soulful connection between man and God, may be more susceptible to this way of thinking.

    I used to be a total ‘anti-racist’ in the subjective sense. Even though my early youth witnessed so much that indicated the truth of HBD and racial differences, the effect of public education, PBS, and etc. indoctrinated me that it’s all in the mind and that ‘good’ ideas and values(of the ‘anti-racist’ kind) can change the world. But no matter what I thought or hoped, I couldn’t help but notice that objective reality is stubborn and won’t submit to my subjective ideas or wishes. The fact is race-ism is here to stay because it is primarily an objective truth than a subjective delusion.

    If anything, it is Christopher Ingraham who is too much of a teacher’s pet and PC-programmed robot to understand anything beyond his narrow ideological worldview. And even though he bitches about ‘racism’, he is able to maintain his subjective illusion because he lives in a bubble of privilege where academics can pat themselves(and oneself) on the back for having the ‘correct’ ideas that makes one feel glibly vain with false virtue. It’s like the proggy academics at University of Chicago protected from racial reality by TWO WALLS of Tough Vigilant Policing. Without such protective walls, racial reality would rush right at them like defensive linemen toward the quarterback. They would be sacked by objective reality. But because they are protected from brutal racial reality by two walls of policing, they can cook up fancy rationales and glibly pat each other on the back for being ‘progressive’ and ‘anti-racist’.

    http://uchicagogate.com/articles/2014/6/2/a-wall-around-hyde-park/

    According to the myth, Siddhartha was raised in a perfect physical world of health and harmony… much like today’s privileged academics in their safe and affluent environs. But when he ventured outside the wall and saw actual reality, it was plagued with disease and violence. But in the end, unable to accept this reality, he sought escape into nirvana of eternal peace. Unable to handle reality, he decided it’s all just an illusion, a matter of the mind. (Maybe Puyi’s realization at the end of THE LAST EMPEROR was more sensible. More humble to be sure but based on acceptance of reality than escape from it.)

    If proggy academics and journalists like Ingraham really feel as they do, I suggest they lead the way. Break down all walls and barriers between their gated communities and the urban jungle. Stop preaching and start practicing. Break down the walls and form a unity with the black underclass. Invite all those blacks in. And see if their subjective ‘anti-racism’ can wish or will away the objective reality of race-ism. Maybe it will be as effective as the remote control in BEING THERE.

    It’s about time people talked less in terms of ‘he is racist’ or ‘she is racist’ than in terms of ‘reality is race-ist regardless of what he or she thinks’. Even if every white person in a diverse community chooses to be resolutely ‘anti-racist’ in his or her subjective conviction, the fact is he or she will find out the reality all around him or her is stubbornly and objectively race-ist. Some races are generally tougher and more aggressive & troublesome than others. Other races will tend to be smaller and more passive. Some races will excel more in studying, some more in sports. It’s like the oft-heard adage among Jews: “A Jew is more likely to own an NFL team than play in one.” With blacks, it’s the opposite. Is it all due to subjective bias? So, if they just change their way of thinking, Jews will succeed as running backs and defensive linemen while blacks will be financial and business wizards? Or, gee, perhaps it’s just skin color. Maybe if Jews cover themselves with black shoe-polish, they will do just as well in 100 m sprints and the dance floor.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  219. @Altai

    A quibble: you’ve botched who whom – Steve’s readers, of all people, should know better!

  220. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Section 8 is white upper middle class war on white working class. “You take our urban blacks, and if you complain, you’re ‘racist’.”

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  221. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Blacks were always more impulsive, more crime prone, less capable of thinking ahead than whites, but in the South under Jim Crow, they behaved a lot better than they do in Chicago and Detroit and other such areas now. They mostly had better lives as well.

    The worst of the worst had a tendency to get shot resisting arrest or wound up hanging from a rope, and the rest did fear The Man. A few white cops and judges and prosecutors did unjustly abuse their power towards them, and toward poor whites too; likewise some merchants, Jewish or otherwise, did take advantage of their low cognition and literacy. Those things were wrong and should have been redressed.

    Mostly though, social justice warriors and Marxists, regular and cultural, have done incalculably more harm to blacks than the Bull Connors and Orval Faubuses. Just telling the biological truth about blacks and stating that they can either accept citizenship on condition of proper behavior and reasonable measures being taken by nonblacks to ensure their safety , or depart for another country they like better, would ease the situation enormously.

  222. @El Dato

    “a target price for redress”

    This really is the money quote. But in answer to those above who ask: is this money to be removed from white people’s pockets and put into black people’s? The answer is yes, of course–but that’s only for this week. We’ll have something else planned for next week. Have you seen how much less in salary black people make? Did you know they can’t seem to negotiate the same prices for new cars? Did you know how high their health costs are? Have you priced out a new hair weave, or a set of chrome spinners? No you haven’t, you racist.

    In LiberalLand, this is the very first time anyone’s thought of just handing over tons of money to black people (even rich black people) who have it so hard because of the color of their skin. Next week will also be the very first time, and so will next year.

    Who wants to bet if white people will be bled totally dry first, or if they’ll be exterminated first? I’ve the feeling that the real brains on the ‘progressive’ side of the spectrum are working out to make sure one doesn’t happen before the other. That’s why they’re paid the big bucks.

  223. @Joe Schmoe

    I am female of the species. So, yeah.

    Oops. Apologies.

  224. @Rosie

    I would be sincerely curious if any actual men would want something like this, space and budget permitting. I suspect the answer is yes

    Your suspicion would be spot on.

  225. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Even assuming this insane logic is “right” wouldn’t blacks ACTUALLY BENEFIT from lower house prices? Plus they could invest the saved money as well.

    More realistically i have always been amazed at the stuff blacks waste theri money on. The bling culture is their financial undoing.

  226. @Elli

    Central city, large, well-maintained Victorian and Craftsman houses, 100% black.

    Could you be more specific? Like near what intersection?

  227. @Enrico Dandolo

    They then go on to say that even if they control for violent crime, there’s still a ~20% gap.

    That’s a big “if”, but if somehow they did reasonably control for level of violent crime and still found a gap, things become interesting.

    If violent crime is held fixed and black population percentage goes up, it means changing the type of neighborhood to one with relatively less violent blacks. If housing prices still tend to go down in such circumstances (again, big “if” as to whether their regressions really measured these things) that sounds like home buyers, assuming they view blacks as the main vector for violent crime, are not using actual crime rates in their decisions, they are taking percent black as the proxy for social problems.

    At first this seems irrational, but homebuyers are trying to predict future character (and property value evolution) of the neighborhood. A neighborhood full of young black families today may become more violent as the children grow and become teenagers. Specific crime patterns are very localized and come and go, but a more stable driving factor over the years is demographics. As far as violent urban crime in the USA is primarily a black phenomenon it may be rational to use black population rather than today’s crime rate in one postal code as the main long-term predictor.

    This interpretation would support the authors’ theory that black population and not the objective level of crime and dysfunction are the driver of the price discount, but also the opposite idea that it’s rational race-based statistical prediction at work rather than white hatred of blacks.

  228. @res

    The description of their analysis in the PDF is less than compelling. It looks like they are doing a regression analysis and assigning any unexplained variance to racism.

    I agree, their pdf doesn’t read at all like something economists would write for one another (and ultimately for publication in a peer-reviewed journal). A piece like that would clearly state the regression models — explanatory variables, estimated coefficients of those variables, standard errors, etc.

    But I don’t believe you’re correct when you guess that “any unexplained variance” is attributed to racism. If that were the case, they would have reported as their main result something like “45% of house values can’t be explained by variables other than homeowner race.” The fact their big result is the $48,000 thing tells me their regression had, among other explanatory variables, an indicator variable (aka dummy variable) equal to 1 in those 50%-black areas of theirs (and zero otherwise).

    Anyhow, as I see it the most serious methodological problem here is multicollinearity; some linear combination of not-explicitly-about-race variables (crime, school test scores and income) could probably predict with great accuracy if an area was part of their 50% black sample. And therefore the estimate for the coefficient on that indicator variable (which I mentioned above) comes with a considerable degree of uncertainty. So though $48,000 may be the unbiased (or asymptotically consistent…) estimate, the true number could be almost anything — $100,000, -$50,000, who knows.

    • Replies: @res
  229. @oddsbodkins

    But those Negroes – the prime movers – caused the whole mess to begin with. You had might as well say thieves’ shenanigans are not a win for them because “damned if the next thing you know they aren’t having to sell their gains to a fence for less than true market value, and avoid the police, and all the rest of it. Poor, put-upon thieves….”

  230. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Property values are determined by what the market will bear much like stocks. A less desirable area will have a lower selling price just like a stock from a second rate company will cost less then a blue chip one will.

    Black areas are generally less desirable because of the behaviour of blacks (like high crime).

  231. @ben tillman

    They are black…black for the attack!

    (The lyrics are hilariously apropos of Negroes’ relentless hounding and destruction of people who just want to be left alone….)

  232. @BigDickNick

    Leaving aside the question of who pays the taxes in NYC, there are much better arguments for opening up the specialized high schools (e.g., based on demonstrated interest in those specialties, a modest ability threshold, and a lottery) than for running them as high IQ societies. If the point is to see who can do well on a test just give out gold medals to the few hundred students with the highest PSAT scores and publish their names in the newspaper. Oh, wait, they already do that. Tax-funded IQ clubs are destructive and Stuyvesant is an inefficient anachronism.

    • Replies: @res
    , @BigDickNick
    , @Bill Jones
  233. bomag says:
    @JLK

    The problem is the marginally employable underclass. We should explore proposals to move them to specifically designed “communities of support,” where there is a strict embargo on firearms and illegal drugs, and employment in the form of simple jobs that reinforce a positive self-image.

    This is an unproductive class of people; the management costs exceed any returns, if you can even keep any managers after they burn out or get sued into oblivion for thinking of committing a micro aggression.

    Best advice to consider is still Buckley’s: “feed them, but not too well.”

  234. @Travis

    According to tino sanandaji people in Sweden start to move out of a neighborhood once the non western population reaches 4 percent.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @Anonymous
  235. @Alec Leamas

    Libensraum (n) : urban living space cleansed for liberal occupation by population transfer of minorities and proles to more remote territories.

  236. @Anon

    Sorry to report that exiles from Baltimore are lately showing up in my metropolitan area.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6453525/Woman-fatally-stabbed-man-giving-money-woman-begging-help-feed-baby.html — A new ruse!

    Spoiler alert: they’re bringing crime with them. Oh joy.

  237. @Rosie

    I would be sincerely curious if any actual men would want something like this

    I’d kill for something like that. Does that count?

    • LOL: Rosie
  238. @Elli

    I personally know several white people who live in central Rochester, so I’d say your stats are a tad whimsical. But I definitely agree that most postwar suburban housing is tacky and often shoddy. Who do you think built the fine old homes in our nation’s older cities, btw? Shout out to the occasional Italian stonemason.

  239. @GermanReader2

    Given that this is what’s happening to their entire country, I sort of wonder what the master plan is.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
  240. @anonymous

    “Like Obama, Trump won’t fulfill any of his election promises,”

    Obama promised to “fundamentally transform America”.

    In the Oval Office, he raised taxes, demolished healthcare, hobbled law enforcement, immiserated the heritage middle class, legislated via executive order, waved in millions of foreigners (the less assimilable, the better) and embarrassed our allies while emboldening our enemies. How much more promise fulfillment did you want from the man?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  241. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    ” … embarrassed our allies while emboldening our enemies.”

    Could you please list a few of each?

  242. @Mr McKenna

    In my opinion, the elites and the upper middle class think, that they will have their lily white neighborhoods and schools for eternity. However, as Mark steyn observed once: “the problem with open borders is that eventually you run out of other people’s neighborhoods.”

  243. TheBoom says:
    @Flemur

    If there is one thing good whites are obsessed with it is moving as close as possible to the brothers. That is why you find good whites never socializing with whites or living in white neighborhoods. When good whites think of moving into a neighborhood, the first thing that they do is check the drive by shooting rate per capita. If too low, they don’t move there.

  244. TheBoom says:

    The easiest way to tell the role of racism in black housing prices is to compare them to those in Wakanda.

  245. Hodag says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The renovation of Olympia Fields South by Steve Smyers was a great success. It is a lot of fun. They also may have the best swimming facility in Chicagoland.

    There is also a set of cottages on the grounds that can only be sold to members.

    The south suburbs have gone quite downhill in recent decades. I am truly shocked at the price of homes in a formerly tony suburb.

    Medinah is up next year for the playoff BMW nee Western Open. Medinah 3 is another long slog I don’t love but #2 was built after the Ryder Cup and is a lot of fun with really wild greens. Butler could host a US Open the second they wanted but they would have to go coed. There is a course about a decade old that would love a tournament called Chicago Highlands. But they have not finished their clubhouse yet.

  246. Rosie says:
    @TTSSYF

    Any person who earns an honest living, abides by the law, and pays what the law requires in taxes is paying full fare to live in this society, whether they have a passel of kids or not. End of story.

    This is the low bar for good moral standing that has landed us in this sorry state as a civilization.

    • Agree: Carol, TTSSYF
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  247. @Rosie

    One reason the public school became black so quickly , more whites started to go to the local Catholic High schools in higher numbers once the student body at the high school reached 15%. The two Catholic high schools in our town are still 95% white.

  248. @Almost Missouri

    Without a doubt Ridgerunner on losing a daughter. I was just pointing out what the “light in the loafers” crowd has to lose by spearheading ghetto gentrification. I also point out that hood rats also detest gays.

  249. @Anonymous

    sorta OT, too

    Reporter of the German Daily Die weLT found the organizer of the “Refugee-Caravan” in El Salvador, a man named Bartolo Fuentes, and portrays him:

    https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/plus184806966/Bartolo-Fuentes-Die-Karawane-in-Richtung-USA-war-seine-Idee.html

  250. Carol says:
    @TomSchmidt

    The AMT is still there, sadly, but the exemptions are bigger the Pease limit on exemptions is gone, but so are exemptions.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  251. @Redneck farmer

    That’s right. I’ve heard it said that you don’t want a piece of property unless you’re pushing a Jew or a queer out of the way to get it.

  252. res says:
    @International Jew

    But I don’t believe you’re correct when you guess that “any unexplained variance” is attributed to racism.

    You might be right (thinking about it, I suspect you are. which raises the question of how much variance each of the variables is explaining, would be nice to see an ANOVA). That we can’t tell for sure is a rather severe indictment of their presentation. It would seem more reasonable (and interesting) to see what the beta for a “% black” variable was. If I was doing it I would try (exploratory) a spline fit for that variable because I suspect the shape of that curve would be interesting. Might not be enough data points to make a reliable fit though.

    And, of course, the analysis would be both better and more interesting with Hispanic and Asian variables added. For example, see Jack D’s Norristown example where Blacks are a bit over a third and Hispanics a bit over a quarter.

    Anyhow, as I see it the most serious methodological problem here is multicollinearity

    That is a huge problem with any analysis of this sort (population demographic). It underlies my comment above about causal direction of various variables being a non-trivial problem. I think priors about causality are the major source of disagreement about analyses like this. Especially when someone attempts to quantify “racism” as a variable.

    Not sure if that is a bigger problem than the omitted income and education variables, but multicollinearity probably does explain why/how those can be (and were) left out in the first place.

    • Replies: @res
  253. res says:
    @academic gossip

    I think you are right (well, at least partially, seems reasonable to have one specialized school be an IQ club), but the problem is that in practice I think any move away from the rigorous (and enshrined in law, right?) use of test scores would cause the metrics (whichever were chosen) to be gamed into oblivion to satisfy “diversity.”

  254. res says:
    @res

    omitted income and education variables

    Crime variable the biggest deal.

  255. Veracitor says:
    @ben tillman

    The value of a thing is what it will bring. Houses in black neighborhoods are not “worth more than they cost.”

    Real-estate agents used to promote block-busting to profit off the sales commissions from increased turnover (both during the neighborhood transformation and afterward due to new residents’ financial instabilities) . They knew that the value/price of houses in the neighborhood would fall with every successive transaction but that was the residents’ problem, not the agents’.

    Nearly everyone is willing to pay more to live in a less-black neighborhood/school attendance zone. Homebuyers (black or otherwise) who prefer black neighborhods for the cultural amenities are lucky, because they can satisfy their preferences cheaply. Those who don’t prefer such neighborhoods bid up home prices in other neighborhoods. It is as simple as that.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  256. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @GermanReader2

    Who is Tito Sananjani and why are you citing him?

  257. TTSSYF says:
    @Rosie

    I hit Agree by accident. The things I listed are a good starting point. You haven’t identified any other qualities the would elevate the bar, other than having children and paying taxes. It takes a lot of arrogance and sanctimonious to assert that decent people who never had children (whether forced by circumstances or by choice) are somehow mooching off the system. We’re now a nation of 320 million, an increase of nearly 100 million over the past 60 years. Maybe it’s s blessing that some people don’t have children, especially if they don’t think they would be good parents.

  258. @Anonymous

    Everyone here worships at the throne of IQ uber alles and yet all your IQs avail you less than nothing as these idiots utterly dominate you.

  259. @Veracitor

    The value of a thing is what it will bring.

    No, it is not. Value is subjective.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
  260. @Desiderius

    Everyone here worships at the throne of IQ uber alles and yet all your IQs avail you less than nothing as these idiots utterly dominate you.

    I haven’t observed that anyone here “worships at the throne of IQ uber alles”.

  261. Kylie says:
    @Joe Schmoe

    A kitchen is primarily a work space that should be well-equipped and well-organized. It will have adequate storage for foodstuffs, appliances, serving and prep items. And it will a have a floor plan, lighting and major appliances arranged so as to facilitate the preparation of meals by one or more persons.

    There really is more to it than you might suppose at first glance.

    Of course, many on the distaff side also put a premium on a kitchen being decorative. Many apparently don’t value the aesthetic appeal of good i.e. functional design.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  262. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    Everyone here worships at the throne of IQ uber alles

    They don’t. IQ is what is called a “variable”. As with everyone, tribe is the throne: and, yes, it proceeds fro the traditional notion of “God”.

    Your “utter domination” charge lacks both information and nuance.

    Last, who are “these idiots”?

  263. Mel says:
    @Joe Joe

    Yes, it does appear. Look at p. 16 and the Appendix pp. 21-22 here: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018.11_Brookings-Metro_Devaluation-Assets-Black-Neighborhoods_final.pdf

    So, Steve is not being entirely fair. (Maybe later commenters have already raised this, I would hope.)

    Still, the adequacy of the Brookings authors’ methods of controlling for crime may or may not be adequate.

  264. @Elli

    Are you related to Tiny Duck, by any chance?

    Most of central city Rochester is anything but well maintained. It’s hard to attract people to places with schools with horrible test scores.

    Most of central Rochester was built before the era of Craftsman houses/ Italian stone masons. I’ve seen the ages of houses in some real estate listings there off by decades; I don’t know how people get away with that.

    Crisscross 19th century censuses with city directories to get street addresses, and then go for a ride. Just be sure to lock the doors.

  265. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Desiderius

    Everyone here worships at the throne of IQ uber alles and yet all your IQs avail you less than nothing as these idiots utterly dominate you.

    It’s almost as if being a successful society requires more than IQ.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  266. JackOH says:
    @Desiderius

    Desiderius, I can sort of imagine an occasional cartoon strip here featuring a caricatured Unz Review-reading naif, bristling with IQ and achievements, making his way through an America beset by equally caricatured Blacks, Jews, Muslims, et. al. Might take the edge off things a bit, and offer an outlet to talented illustrators and writers. Steve’s apertures on America the Wobbly often already have satirical titles that may lend themselves to cartooning.

  267. @Rosie

    Hanging tools on the garage wall is neither expensive nor space consuming. Now those cabinets look expensive, but the kind of guy who wants a space like that could get fairly durable cabinets for less than $1,000 and would, of course, install them himself. Maybe buy one of those fancy cabinets for some special stuff.

    How many women are going to install their own new awesome kitchen themselves?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  268. A Name says:

    People, White and Black, are willing to pay a $48k premium to have White neighbors instead of Black neighbors. It’s almost as if Blacks are obnoxious, perhaps even dangerous!

  269. @ben tillman

    The value of a thing is what it will bring.

    No, it is not. Value is subjective.

    huh?

    The value of a thing is what it will bring. = Value is subjective.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  270. Tino sanandaji is an economist of Kurdish descent who has grown up in Sweden and written a bestseller about the migration crisis in Sweden. Like sarrazin in Germany, he is sort of an unperson in Sweden for telling some uncomfortable truths about the effects of migration on Swedish societ. The article that got me interested in him was called “Sweden on the brink”. You can Google it, if you want to find out more about him.

  271. @Joe Schmoe

    The value of a thing to you is what it is worth to you, not what someone else will pay for it.

  272. @Redneck farmer

    Jim Bob Daughter is looking for a house to buy and told me how reluctant the agent was to say anything bad about certain areas, but the agent said, “Great” when JBD said she didn’t want to live in X. I told her it’s because of anti-discrimination laws. The govt sends out testers and an agent can lose his license if he disses an area, especially a vibrant one.

    She is trying to find a place that is not a shithole. I suggested Y and she, a Hillary voter, said, no, they’ve moved in there too.

  273. @academic gossip

    In what way are they “destructive?” It’s destructive to eliminate the concept of gifted education which is what you are proposing. There are already schools like Bronx Science for the very smart who maybe didn’t have an Asian father pushing them. Believe it or not, its actually really important for society that smart people to get a good education.

    Instead of letting in more NAMs with “holistic” methods let’s give Stuyvesant ENTIRELY to the diverse so America can see what a farce this thinking has been the entire time. Let’s chuck this rabbit in the briar patch and be done with it.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
  274. @BigDickNick

    Stuyvesant is in the business of constructing “gifted status” and “gifted segregation”, not gifted education.

    If the defensible part of its work is to provide extra STEM education resources for students interested and able to benefit from them, there are ways of doing so that are much cheaper for the city and do not involve students commuting across town for an extra 10 hours each week to obtain the gift of their giftedness.

    If there is a benefit to marking people as gifted, it is already happening (more accurately and orders of magnitude less expensively) through tests that all of them will take anyway in the course of high school, or other activities that they would have more time for if the extra 10 hour commute time were restored to them: programming computers, playing chess, studying physics, solving math problems, learning ancient Greek, etc.

    Stuyvesant is a relic from times when these questions were not asked, Asian test academies didn’t exist, and a quick cheap selection process was needed. That it’s old and famous is not a reason to keep it going perpetually.

  275. MarcB. says:

    The same goes for stable, relatively safe middle-class, mixed-race neighborhoods. Home prices are still a bargain due to subpar public schools and the Putnam Effect. While they do present an opportunity for White suburban gentrifiers, the vast majority pay significant premiums for areas with better schools and homogeneity for reasons they’ll only cop to in hushed tones.

  276. Rosie says:
    @Joe Schmoe

    How many women are going to install their own new awesome kitchen themselves?

    Probably not many, but then we justify the expense with the fabulous meals we create once someone else installs the new awesome kitchen.

    ;)

  277. Bliss says:
    @Rosie

    That Wall of Tools looks like a useful work of art.

  278. @Kylie

    I am the main hash-slinger at Jones Manor.

    I know damn well what a kitchen is.

  279. @academic gossip

    “Leaving aside the question of who pays the taxes in NYC”

    The taxes in NYC are paid by the benighted peasants in the heartland. Their money goes to the banks that build the property upon which the taxes are levied. The all in effective tax rate on these institutions is less than that of a self employed plumber making $80k.(if there is such a beast.)

  280. @Carol

    In 1986, a whole host of exemptions were eliminated to “pay” for tax reductions so that the top marginal rate was 28%. All in all, it was a good reform. Seven years later, Bill Clinton raised taxes back to about 40%, but they never restored the lost deductions, like income averaging.

    The big killer in this bill is the use of Chained CPI. They’re going to repeal tax rate indexing by lying about the inflation rate. Congress won’t have to raise rates at all. Or cut Social Security. Chained CPI will do all their work for them.

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