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Portland is, famously, the whitest big municipality in the United States, which gives it some margin for error to do dumb stuff. For example, from Oregon Live:

Portland police to halt, purge all gang designations

Updated on September 8, 2017

By Maxine Bernstein mbernstein@oregonian.com
The Oregonian/OregonLive

Portland police next month will end their more than 20-year-old practice of designating people as gang members or gang associates in response to strong community concerns about the labels that have disproportionately affected minorities.

The Police Bureau recognizes that the gang designations have led to “unintended consequences” and served as lifelong barriers for those who have shunned the gang lifestyle and tried to get jobs, said Acting Tactical Operations Capt. Andy Shearer.

A review by Oregonian/OregonLive reporter Carli Brosseau last year found that of the 359 “criminal gang affiliates” flagged in Portland’s database as of last summer, 81 percent were part of a racial or ethnic minority.

From The Oregonian last year:

Who’s on Portland’s gang list?

November 4, 2016 at 5:10 AM

… By far the largest block — 64 percent — was black, compared with just 7.5 percent of the city’s population who are black or black and some other race.

In contrast, Los Angeles under former top cop Bill Bratton started a program of coming down like a ton of bricks on even low level gang members, rounding up entire gangs in mass arrests. The 2014 article “The End of Gangs” by Sam Quinones (author of Dreamland) explained how Los Angeles had made big progress against crime by using the Racketeer Influence Corrupt Organization (RICO) law to round up low level losers on gang membership lists:

The 2006 case against HLP was the first in Los Angeles to use RICO statutes on foot soldiers as well as gang leadership. Street gangs had previously been seen as small fry, but, by the mid-2000s, “the culture changed in terms of using this great tool,” says Jim Trusty, chief of the U.S. Justice Department’s Organized Crime and Gang section in Washington, D.C.

… Prosecuting street gangs has meant abandoning the previous focus on kingpins. “‘Cut off the head and body dies’ just isn’t true” when it comes to Southern California street gangs, says Brunwin. “You have to go after everyone—anyone who had anything to do with, supported, or touched the organization. You have to have an effect on the structure, its daily operation. The only thing that works is adopting a scorched-Earth policy.”

Basically, whoever happens to be the gang leader at the moment isn’t usually an irreplaceable criminal mastermind. The most important distinction isn’t between low-level gang members and high-level gang members, it’s between gang members and non-gang members.

Since 2006, there have been more than two dozen RICO indictments in Southern California, targeting Florencia 13, Hawaiian Gardens (HG-13), Azusa 13, Five-Deuce Broadway Gangster Crips, Pueblo Bishop Bloods, and many more of the region’s most entrenched and violent gangs. Most of the indictments have dozens of defendants; the Florencia case had 102, while Hawaiian Gardens, in 2009, was one of the largest street-gang indictments in U.S. history, with 147. …

Most of the Southern California RICO prosecutions have instead swept up large numbers of street gang members. Leaders of prison gangs like the Mexican Mafia usually aren’t even charged in these prosecutions, and are referred to as “unindicted co-conspirators.”

“In prosecuting the members, you make [prison-gang leaders] powerless,” Brunwin says. “If no one’s out there on the street doing their work, then they’re just guys in cells.”

Southern California RICO cases have sent large numbers of street-gang soldiers to prisons in places like Arkansas or Indiana, where no girlfriend is coming to visit.

Now, Quinones’s expertise is with Spanish-speaking criminals, so I don’t know from reading him whether this system works as well with black criminals. Judging from reporter Jill Leovy’s book on black murderers in South Central L.A., Ghettoside, an awful lot of black-on-black killings are Disorganized Crime (she cites “unwanted party guests” as a classic cause of homicides).

 
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  1. Randal says:

    Portland police next month will end their more than 20-year-old practice of designating people as gang members or gang associates in response to strong community concerns about the labels that have disproportionately affected minorities.

    A disappointing lack of lateral thinking on the part of Portland’s authorities, there. Surely the obvious solution would be to designate organisations like the Boy Scouts etc as gangs for the purpose of the register.

    Basically, whoever happens to be the gang leader at the moment isn’t usually an irreplaceable criminal mastermind.

    A key parallel there with the US regime’s policy of targeted murder of people believed to be bosses of resistance and terrorist groups.

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    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @c matt
    Probably true. But the goal may not be to make the organization scatter, rather to cause internal chaos and, until the new leader emerges, create some self-induced purging, thus thinning the ranks.
    , @Muse
    It is all right here:

    It appears that a soldier’s ability to resist is a function of the capacity of his immediate primary group (his squad or section) to avoid social disintegration. When the individual’s immediate group, and its supporting formations, met his basic organic needs, offered him affection and esteem from both officers and comrades, supplied him with a sense of power and adequately regulated his relations with authority, the element of self-concern in battle, which would lead to disruption of the effective functioning of his primary group, was minimized.

    Cohesion and Disintegration in the Wehrmacht in World War II
    EDWARD A. SHILS MORRIS JANOWITZ(1948, p. 281):
     
    If you kill the platoon leader, the next (probably really pissed off) guy in line steps up.

    You have to incapacitate the group. It is like a small ant team, as understood by E.O. Wilson. If the they can't communicate, the group becomes ineffective. Is this really so difficult for the folks in Portland to grok? It is why gangs flourish in prisons when gang members are concentrated together. They form social groups and and do stuff they enjoy. The endorphins they get from risk taking is the strong force that binds them together.
    , @Escher
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  2. AndrewR says:

    The Police Bureau recognizes that the gang designations have led to “unintended consequences” and served as lifelong barriers for those who have shunned the gang lifestyle and tried to get jobs, said Acting Tactical Operations Capt. Andy Shearer.

    This is a valid concern, of course. But the mere fact that over 80% of the people listed are Minorities probably means nothing other than that the vast majority of gang members in Portland are Minorities. Leftists have an oddly hard time understanding that groups aren’t always identical.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    served as lifelong barriers for those who have shunned the gang lifestyle and tried to get jobs
     
    I've find that a bit apocryphal. In my experience, many small business owners have a SJW streak, and will make it a point of pride to hire an ex-con. But the businessmen also have a sense of who really wants to reform, and who still gets a thrill from the edginess of the crime world.
    , @lavoisier
    Leftists have an oddly hard time dealing with reality.

    That is why they are so dangerous.
  3. (she cites “unwanted party guests” as a classic cause of homicides).

    Plano? Or perhaps that was just “poor choice of party guest”?

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    • Replies: @anon
    Eh, "unwanted party guest" is a fair descriptor. It's house parties-- there aren't invitations. Unacceptable strangers or known rivals/enemies may show up. It's usually chicks bringing some guy(s) they just met. This situation is played out at college house parties all the time, sans the homicide.
    , @TipTipTopKek
    Several dynamics are at work there.

    First, when a negro gets thrown out of a party for being disrespectful, their reactions sometimes include coming back to the scene after having retrieved a firearm (and possibly several accomplices with firearms). Generally speaking, if you have a verbal altercation with a black and he leaves the scene, do not assume the interaction is over; instead, assume he is coming back strapped. A cute little wannabe vet tech in College Station got shot in one of these cases, the negro was making a scene at a "beer pong" party and got thrown out, he came back with a Glock and emptied 17 rounds at random through the back door of the house.

    Second, negroes love to throw illegal parties and charge admission for them. They make movies about this (House Party and various sequels). They steal supplies from their employers to do this (the staff at most nursing homes in the South are black and stealing food for cookouts etc. is common). The pool party in McKinney is an example of this. The party phenomenon is much more common with them than with any other minority and is pretty much unheard of among Whites. There's no such thing as an "invitation list" as these parties are usually advertised on social media and entrance fees are charged.

    Third, when there is a gang beef and members of one gang are known to be in attendance at such a party, the other gang may show up to settle things.

    Hope that helps.

    BTW the recent Plano thing seems to be a result of a divorce rape in progress.
    , @3g4me
    @3 AnotherDad: "Plano? Or perhaps that was just “poor choice of party guest”?

    It was just some of Obama's would-be sons getting together to watch dey football team.

    Funny how one never reads media descriptions of Plano as "hideously White" any more. It's set to be below 50% soon. How long until the Asians start following the Whites who've already left? Because Whites need all those clever Han to have a functioning community and good skoos. Rinse, repeat.
    , @Thirdeye
    Plano was a white thing.
  4. Catdog says:

    Steve, it would make my week if you would make a post about the Pewdiepie kerfuffle.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    It is sad and pathetic that boys now would rather watch others live stream playing a video game than playing themselves.
    , @Pericles
    I can tell you that Dagens Nyheter, the largest and most Bonniers-owned paper in Sweden, was outraged.

    "Greta Thurfjell: How long will Pewdiepie be permitted to make money from racism?"

    http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/greta-thurfjell-hur-lange-ska-pewdiepie-tillatas-tjana-pengar-pa-att-vara-rasist/

    Here is Greta by the way

    https://cached-images.bonnier.news/cms30/UploadedImages/2017/9/11/8b224539-738e-409c-8f1a-47f69789452b/bigOriginal.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&downsize=*:415&output-quality=80&output-format=webp

    , @Frau Katze
    It could be that Steve has never heard of Pewdiepie. I hadn't heard of him either until I heard about him on another blog.

    I've even started watching some videos myself. (Not ones where they play video games, but ones where they do political commentary).

    All of them, including the excellent Sargon of Akkad, appear to have some gaming background. Warning: he won't be satisfactory to some Steve readers because he doesn't seem to know anything about HBD. But he sure does a good job, aside from that.

    These guys (yes, mostly male) are younger than my children.

    I doubt that Steve plays video games (correct me if I'm wrong). They just didn't exist until he was already an adult.
  5. kihowi says:

    To me the most startling thing about growing older is realizing my gut instinct when I was young was spot-on about everything.

    For decades I was told by everybody whose opinion was remotely respectable that arresting gang members didn’t work. It was best to let them go about their business until we figured out who the head muckitymuck was and then arrest him and only him. Besides, just going around arresting as many criminals as possible had the whiff of fascism about it.

    I remember that line of reasoning feeling…off. It sounded like an excuse to not do anything. The best way to fight gangs seemed to me to make the life of every person in them as difficult as possible.

    And of course I was right. But there are too many people who have emotionally taken the side of criminals and have developed an ecosystem of fallacies for their defense that takes a lifetime to see through.

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    • Agree: Kevin C., lavoisier
    • Replies: @Barnard
    I call it government policy by anecdote. As long as they can find one person who did "turn his life around," they want to wave away any analysis of statistical data or trends and pretend like the anecdote is or could be the norm. When others are not reforming into model citizens, the blame lies with the rest of us for not doing enough for them. Spending more tax money on programs to help is always one of the first solutions.
    , @Danindc
    I too have had every instinct and opinion validated as events have unfolded. It's a good feeling isn't it?

    You have had bad advisors over the years though. Hope you made some changes
    , @A narco capitalist
    Prediction: Portland will be first in line to order an ED-209 in 10 years.
  6. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274978

    “It’s not a gang, it’s a club! To be a Chicano means to be proud and ride up and down the boulevards all day and all night in big cars low to the ground!”

    http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/boulevard-nights-1979

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-killer-bees/3505932?snl=1

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  7. Ed says:

    It’s dawning more and more on the media that most of the black killings have nothing to do with drugs. Just petty disputes. In a long feature about black teens killing each other in Wilmington, DE, the reasons cited for murder were Facebook taunts, girlfriends and even sneakers.

    Since it has a black population under 7% and no black centers of population within driving distance. Portland can afford to play loony liberal with black crime. Other cities further east cannot.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    In addition to killing people over sneakers (how do you even know they are your size?), down coats also seem to be popular items worth killing others over. White people show off with fancy houses or cars but ghetto status displays tend to be things that are worn on the body - clothing, jewelry, "grills", etc.
  8. Dr. X says:

    A review by Oregonian/OregonLive reporter Carli Brosseau last year found that of the 359 “criminal gang affiliates” flagged in Portland’s database as of last summer, 81 percent were part of a racial or ethnic minority.

    And what percentage of the Mafia were Italians? Didn’t stop the FBI from identifying them as “criminal gang affiliates” and taking them down, as I recall.

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  9. If only that Carroll fellow had a sense of the ridiculous, he could have set Alice in Portland instead of Wonderland.

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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Southern California RICO cases have sent large numbers of street-gang soldiers to prisons in places like Arkansas or Indiana, where no girlfriend is coming to visit.”

    -Don’t worry about these guys getting all lonely on Valentine’s Day, they’ll find new girlfriends in those prisons.

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  11. Randal says:

    OT, but related to issues of interest here:

    For the BBC and for “French authorities and anti-hate groups” it appears robbing rich jewish people is automatically “anti-Semitic”, and for jewish identity lobbyists no opportunity is to be missed to dress up routine crimes as yet more evidence of a supposed New Holocaust and make a song and dance about it (though at least in this case the crime itself appears to have been genuine, which is far from universally the case with claims of “racist” and “antisemitic” atrocities):

    ‘Anti-Semitic’ gang robbed Paris Jewish family

    ’Antisemitic’ robbers target Jewish family near Paris

    The only evidence adduced for the crime – which seems no different from numerous similar crimes committed against rich people of all races and religions – being “anti-Semitic” in motivation is that the robbers allegedly said: “You’re Jews, so where’s the money?” and “We take money from Jews to give to the poor“. That could just mean that the robbers have read one of Steve’s articles highlighting “jewish privilege”. (Or more likely that they’ve just heard the popular street memes that convey the same basic information). Of course, it would be churlish to suggest that if the robbers had just referred to their victims as “rich whiteys” or similar in the cause of demanding money with menaces we certainly wouldn’t be hearing about this as a “racist” crime.

    On the other hand, if this was an attack motivated by antisemitism, they seem to have been remarkably nice anti-Semites, since none of the family were killed and they just seem to have meekly scarpered after one of the family managed to raise the alarm. Since one victim was “Jewish community leader” Roger Pinto who apparently heads a group called “Siona, which stands for “the defence of the Jewish people and the state of Israel”“, you’d think any real anti-Semitic thugs worthy of the name would been rather more aggressive towards him in particular and left more than the “minor injuries” reported.

    Still, folk will be reassured to know that the “special” nature of this particular piece of thuggery means that the French state will devote every possible resource to catching the perpetrators, with the French Interior Minister himself announcing that “Everything will be done to identify and arrest those who carried out this foul attack“.

    No mention in these UK articles about the ethnicity of the perpetrators, of course, but interestingly the Times of Israel report is far less coy, reporting that the perpetrators were:

    “black men in their 20s or 30s“.

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  12. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad

    (she cites “unwanted party guests” as a classic cause of homicides).
     
    Plano? Or perhaps that was just "poor choice of party guest"?

    Eh, “unwanted party guest” is a fair descriptor. It’s house parties– there aren’t invitations. Unacceptable strangers or known rivals/enemies may show up. It’s usually chicks bringing some guy(s) they just met. This situation is played out at college house parties all the time, sans the homicide.

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  13. bomag says:
    @AndrewR

    The Police Bureau recognizes that the gang designations have led to “unintended consequences” and served as lifelong barriers for those who have shunned the gang lifestyle and tried to get jobs, said Acting Tactical Operations Capt. Andy Shearer.
     
    This is a valid concern, of course. But the mere fact that over 80% of the people listed are Minorities probably means nothing other than that the vast majority of gang members in Portland are Minorities. Leftists have an oddly hard time understanding that groups aren't always identical.

    served as lifelong barriers for those who have shunned the gang lifestyle and tried to get jobs

    I’ve find that a bit apocryphal. In my experience, many small business owners have a SJW streak, and will make it a point of pride to hire an ex-con. But the businessmen also have a sense of who really wants to reform, and who still gets a thrill from the edginess of the crime world.

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    • Replies: @MarcB.
    You can get a similar vicarious tingle by hiring police officers and military personnel taking early retirement.
  14. A twelfth of a town’s in dismay
    ‘Cause dem hatefacts got plenty to say.
    Hatin’ facts about “youth”
    Come too close to the truth:
    Two-thirds of the gangstas are they.

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  15. TheJester says:

    Portland police next month will end their more than 20-year-old practice of designating people as gang members or gang associates in response to strong community concerns about the labels that have disproportionately affected minorities.

    The Leftist/Progressive (a.k.a. Communist) disposition to eliminate disparate impacts on minorities has reached its reductio ad absurdum. How do you eliminate the gaps? The gaps disappear by procedurally conspiring not to “notice” them, regardless of the impact on the rest of society. The new principle: If you can’t eliminate disparate impacts on minorities, do away with the ability to “notice” them.

    That is similar to the MSM not “noticing” that the looters were Black in videos of looting during hurricanes Harvey and Irma. I guess it would be racist to “notice” the looters were Black, right? So drop the videos down the memory hole as quickly as possible and hope that not many “noticed” before the videos were pulled. As a principle, if the MSM didn’t report it, that means it didn’t happen.

    Besides, identify gang members as gang members under RICO can make gang members feel bad about themselves. Putting them in prison is worse. Consistent with the new approach to constructive behavior change — Social and Emotion Learning (SEL), the goal is to help individuals find the “real gold” deep inside themselves. Raise their self-esteem to remove the stigma of being a disadvantaged minority and they will quickly fall in line with society’s behavioral expectations for them.

    I recall the Washington DC school system tried this. It gave its minority students “A”s under the assumption that it would raise their self-esteem, effect a positive behavioral change, and motivate them to study. It didn’t work. Feedback uncovered that the students reasoned that, because they already had “A”s, they didn’t have to study. Most important, by giving minority students “A”s, the grade and performance gaps among different cultural and racial groups disappeared.

    However, raising their self-esteem evidently did work. In surveys, the students in the Washington DC school system perceived they were in one of the best-performing school systems in the country.

    Any chance this will work on the minority gang problem in Portland?

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  16. Maj. Kong says:

    Related:

    Baltimore offers tax breaks

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-police-fire-tax-20170908-story.html

    A sign of desperation…

    But it is nice to see tax breaks given to the working class (though sadly the public sector), rather than oligarchic corporations.

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  17. KM32 says:

    OT, but I’m in Chile at the moment, and can’t believe how many more Haitians there are than just a year ago. They’re all over in the center of Santiago, often slouching around, doing nothing, but also selling goods on the street along with many others. I was with some friends, who told me to be careful any time some Haitians came around, not to have my phone in hand, etc..

    When I offered that maybe Chile should start thinking about tightening up their immigration policy, they behaved just like Americans or Europeans. Yes, the immigration is causing a lot of problems, but no, we don’t want to be racist about it.

    It has taken the country decades to claw its way up to near first world status. Why not stick with what is working?

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    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    How did they make it there ?

    Are these haitians who used to be in the Dominican Republic then heard about Chile ?
    The only black chilean I ever heard of is a footballer of haitian origin whose family (I'm guessing haitian educated middle class diaspora) got there a long time ago (1980s or so).

    Bottom of the barrel haitians making it all the way to Chile doesn't sound like something that happened spontaneously.
    , @Lot
    The number of Africans you see in Tijuana/Rosarito has gone from 0.00% only 3 years ago to maybe 0.75%. No, there are not scads of them, but it makes you feel unsafe given the lack of and low quality of Mexican police generally. 100% of the ones I've seen have been men under 40.

    Mexico may be high crime, but there is virtually no random street crime during the day in average areas. Mexico itself has very few of the shaved head tatted up cholos you sometimes see in the USA.

    The reason the Africans are there is they are waiting their turn to cross over to San Diego, file a BS asylum application, then be sent on their way with a pat on the head and an asylum hearing date they will never show up for. This started happening about 2 years ago and Obama's people decided to tell the African migrants to take a number and let in a few dozen each day. As far as I know, Trump has not changed it. As in the USA, the local churches encourage the problem.

    Baja has had a few Chinese for a long time. They seem to average about 5'2", maybe very short Chinese go there so they are not towered over as much as if they went to the USA.
    , @Autochthon
    Interesting. "Piss right off!" sums up much of the Colombian sentiment regarding their version of Mexico – Venezuela – and its endless invasions by Venezuelans to escape the poopshow Venezuelans have made of their own country even as Colombia is finally getting its guerillas and narcotraficantes reigned in (on that count, Mexico is now what Colombia hasn't been since the 1980s...).

    Chile is much more developed and whiter than Colombia (Colombia has plenty if whites, too, but far more mestizoids and even Negroes). Is it all perhaps universal?: As any white society achieves industialisation and stability, its people spontaneously begin auto-genocide and self-dispossession, like some insect that invariably dies shortly after mating? What goes on? It's so consistent it seems downright biochemical at this point. We must isolate eastern Europeans' genes for resistance. Say, they are more likely to have Oriental admixture, and the Orientals don't succumb to this plague. That must be the trick....
  18. Jake says:

    Diversity is our great strength. America can never reach its potential until it has 75 or 80 million more blacks and 90, no 100, million more brown Moslems. Then the Garden of Eden will break out. It will be the safest place for Jews to live in world history.

    Well, that is if all white conservatives are in the PC/SJW Gulag.

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  19. 22pp22 says:

    Polynesian gangs are a menace in New Zealand. Per capita, the country has the biggest problem in the world with gangs.

    The big one is the Mongrel Mob. White motorcycle gangs do exist, but they are small in scale.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_New_Zealand#Hells_Angels_MC

    Gang members are brazen. One or two local mayors like the Mayor of Wanganui have tried to ban the public display of gang patches.

    Dealing with the issue is fraught with all the same problems as in the UK or US.

    https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/turia-calls-collins-ignorant

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Gangs... don't you mean "tribes?"

    Anyhow, let Portland reap what it sows. If there is a God he will empower president Trunp to direct all "refugees" taken in by the US to Portland and SF. Please, please let them experience the wonderment of cultural enrichment.
    , @SteveRogers42
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7_oQ__Svmo
  20. Yak-15 says:
    @22pp22
    Polynesian gangs are a menace in New Zealand. Per capita, the country has the biggest problem in the world with gangs.

    The big one is the Mongrel Mob. White motorcycle gangs do exist, but they are small in scale.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_New_Zealand#Hells_Angels_MC

    Gang members are brazen. One or two local mayors like the Mayor of Wanganui have tried to ban the public display of gang patches.

    Dealing with the issue is fraught with all the same problems as in the UK or US.

    https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/turia-calls-collins-ignorant

    Gangs… don’t you mean “tribes?”

    Anyhow, let Portland reap what it sows. If there is a God he will empower president Trunp to direct all “refugees” taken in by the US to Portland and SF. Please, please let them experience the wonderment of cultural enrichment.

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    • Replies: @22pp22
    No, tribes are called iwi and have nothing to do with the gangs.
  21. Jack D says:

    What happens when “diversity” meets “whitopia”:

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/09/10/suspect-in-custody-after-shooting-at-festival-on-mit-campus

    Police at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology say a shooting has been reported as a parade passed through the school’s campus.

    MIT police say the shooting was reported just before 5 p.m. Sunday at 200 Tech Square. A suspect is in the custody of Cambridge police and a firearm has been recovered.

    Cambridge police say the shooting took place at the Cambridge Carnival. The event has been shut down.

    Advertisement (1 of 1): 0:30
    According to the Carnival’s website, the event is a “colorful and festival celebration rooted in African traditions.” It celebrates diversity and community.

    Two people suffered injuries not considered life-threatening and were taken to a hospital.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    A "colourful and festival [sic] celebration," eh?

    Not a "colourful festival" or even a "colourful and festive celebration?" Anything for the extraneous and gramatically incorrect syllables with these creatures.

    Surely Oswald Bates or Tedious Coots was the parade's grand marshall.
    , @AnotherDad

    What happens when “diversity” meets “whitopia”:
     
    Good one Jack. But "whitopia"? Don't want to get Yan Shen cranked up. We need to coin a new word "whitasiopia" or something. "Inclusion".
  22. Jack D says:

    In other news, undocumented shopping has broken out on hurricane devastated St. Martin. The looters started with taking food and water but quickly moved on to the flat screen TVs and robbing tourists at gunpoint:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/10/world/americas/irma-caribbean-st-martin.html?hpw&rref=world&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Units of the national guard from Kentucky, Puerto Rico, and New York earlier were sent in by the department of state to airlift American citizens out of Saint Maarten; apparently the Americans were calling for help from their hotels where they were sheltering in place from the marauders. It's a shame the government of the Netherlands and France cannot get their shit together enough to control things, but then, considering how effectivley their navies defend Europe from African invasions, I expect their militaries were driving the marauders around in troop transports and otherwise lending a humanitarian helping hand, no?
  23. Jack D says:
    @Ed
    It's dawning more and more on the media that most of the black killings have nothing to do with drugs. Just petty disputes. In a long feature about black teens killing each other in Wilmington, DE, the reasons cited for murder were Facebook taunts, girlfriends and even sneakers.

    Since it has a black population under 7% and no black centers of population within driving distance. Portland can afford to play loony liberal with black crime. Other cities further east cannot.

    In addition to killing people over sneakers (how do you even know they are your size?), down coats also seem to be popular items worth killing others over. White people show off with fancy houses or cars but ghetto status displays tend to be things that are worn on the body – clothing, jewelry, “grills”, etc.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    In DC a few years ago, blacks were killing each other over a relatively obscure Norwegian brand of high end winter coats.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/helly-hansen-jacket-craze-sparks-violence/2012/11/30/14eb8cbc-38d1-11e2-a263-f0ebffed2f15_story.html?utm_term=.4f87aa6939ee

    If nothing else blacks are always on the hunt for the latest fashions.
    , @Ed
    In DC a few years ago, blacks were killing each other over a relatively obscure Norwegian brand of high end winter coats.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/helly-hansen-jacket-craze-sparks-violence/2012/11/30/14eb8cbc-38d1-11e2-a263-f0ebffed2f15_story.html?utm_term=.4f87aa6939ee

    If nothing else blacks are always on the hunt for the latest fashions.
    , @Cloudbuster
    (how do you even know they are your size?),

    For the price of a bullet or two, who cares?
    , @Yak-15
    Canada Goose now offers options to forgo labels on their $1500 winter coats because too many people were getting jacked for wearing them.

    What's the point of being hyper rich if you cannot openly show your status and let people know you are better than them?
    , @Lurker
    If they don't fit you can sell them on.
  24. Coemgen says:
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    Prediction:

    illegal drugs + prescription psycho meds
    , @Coemgen
    I forgot to add that the Oberlin College graduate was wrapped in a white sheet when he was arrested.
  25. Tarrou says:

    The old “kingpin” removal strategy probably just accelerated gang recruitment, as it created lots of opportunities to move up in the gang.

    But it fit the liberal paradigm in which ultra-violent ghetto thugs were presumed to be simply misguided youths under the sway of hypnotic, persuasive Svengalis. Just remove the incredibly talented mind controller, and all those nice lads will settle down with a maths degree and 1.5 kids!

    In reality of course, the gang leaders are largely interchangeable, and the population of the gangs drive their behavior.

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  26. The White ruling class of Portland, Oregon might feel that they can be more lenient towards Blacks in regards to law enforcement because the percentage of Blacks in Portland is low, for now. I wonder what the regular White people of Portland think about having the ruling class of Portland be so tolerant towards Black criminal misbehaviour and gang formation. I would imagine some of the more pragmatic Whites would have a sense of foreboding regarding the publicized lessening of measures designed to keep Black criminality in check.

    Portland, Maine to Portland, Oregon — the New England settlement of the upper portion of the United States makes me wonder about East Anglia. The East Anglian type in the United States always comes up with solutions to problems that don’t make any sense. Black crime is a problem, and the East Anglian Portlanders suggest sweeping Black gang membership and Black gang formation under the rug. Seems like East Anglian madness. The only thing that can defeat the East Anglian types in the United States is neo-Normanism.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Night Dogs, by Kent Anderson, is one of the most realistic takes on policing.

    It takes place in Portland during the 70s. Seems like history repeats, yadda yadda.
  27. Hollywood’s latest…

    she cites “unwanted party guests” as a classic cause of homicides

    Wedding Crashers II: Shit About to Get Real in Here

    Disorganized Crime

    Mediocrefellas

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  28. Steve

    Off Topic but did anybody see just how bad the attendance was for the Rams Vs Colts game was on Sunday.

    I am sure the NFL was hoping for much better when the schedule came out, with a Luck vs Goff match hype potential in the offer.

    If the neighborhood around the LA Coliseum still that bad these days like it was during the height of the Crack Wars.

    But it looks like fans are abandoning the NFL for a number of reasons nationwide.

    Good be a worthwhile open thread.

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    The neigborhood has gotten much better since the Crack Wars. I wouldn't move out of my Whitopia to live there, but USC, LA Live, the Staples Center and the general urban gentrification trends have improved and cleaned up the area. Another factor is the ongoing Hispanic campaign of ethnically cleansing South LA of Black people.
    , @Barnard
    The Rams are claiming a paid attendance of 60,128, which in addition to obviously not being the number of people who showed up, is almost 30,000 below capacity. It looks like everyone else beat that easily, with the worst percentages otherwise belonging to the Bengals and Redskins in the mid 80s.

    Chargers crowds are expected to be even worse. Some of this is going to be unique to L.A., there was a lot of criticism during the push to bring a team back to L.A. that fans would turn out for the games. I'm sure the NFL thinks the problem will be solved once the new stadium is built, but I wouldn't bet on it. Given the time and expense involved, plus how much better the viewing experience is at home, it amazes me so many still go to NFL games.


    http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance
    , @nebulafox
    Yeah, when I was at the gym this morning, I saw some of the highlights. Some of them definitely look emptier. San Francisco's stadium had a really poor showing in particular.

    On the other hand, FedEx Field, Ford Field, Lambeau Field and AT&T Stadium, aka "Jerryworld", seemed to be as full as ever, from my brief glimpses of them. So it probably also depends on the city. It'll be interesting to see which teams can keep going in the future. The loyalty of a fan base not necessarily based upon how good the team is: just look at Cleveland.

    , @AnotherDad

    But it looks like fans are abandoning the NFL for a number of reasons nationwide.
     
    NFL? Those guys still around?

    Seriously, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.
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    That idiot David Lammy in the UK is already working on something similar.
  30. Barnard says:
    @kihowi
    To me the most startling thing about growing older is realizing my gut instinct when I was young was spot-on about everything.

    For decades I was told by everybody whose opinion was remotely respectable that arresting gang members didn't work. It was best to let them go about their business until we figured out who the head muckitymuck was and then arrest him and only him. Besides, just going around arresting as many criminals as possible had the whiff of fascism about it.

    I remember that line of reasoning feeling...off. It sounded like an excuse to not do anything. The best way to fight gangs seemed to me to make the life of every person in them as difficult as possible.

    And of course I was right. But there are too many people who have emotionally taken the side of criminals and have developed an ecosystem of fallacies for their defense that takes a lifetime to see through.

    I call it government policy by anecdote. As long as they can find one person who did “turn his life around,” they want to wave away any analysis of statistical data or trends and pretend like the anecdote is or could be the norm. When others are not reforming into model citizens, the blame lies with the rest of us for not doing enough for them. Spending more tax money on programs to help is always one of the first solutions.

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  31. Art Deco says:

    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman

    https://www.insidehighered.com/users/susan-odoherty

    are rendered emotionally upset at the thought of holding ‘the disadvantaged’ to impersonal performance standards. How did so many terminally foolish people ever get so much influence?

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    • Agree: Lot, Desiderius
    • Troll: Carneades
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Cancer kills the body; cancerous people kill society.
    , @Ed
    Progressives used to concede that blacks and other perpetually behind groups bore some responsibility for their fate. There used to be a real effort to try to mitigate their ways, show them better ways to do things.

    Progressives though didn't want to lower standards or compromise institutional quality. Now every vice and abhorrent behavior must be acknowledged and accepted if the offenders are a favored minority.

    The NYT mag has a long story this weekend about white southern areas forming independent districts or municipalities. This has been denounced as racism and of course race is at issue but not once does the author ask the whites why they're doing this, what they're trying to avoid? Yes they're trying to avoid blacks but why? That question is never asked because in the halls of High Liberalism the answer is known, racism.
    , @Mr. Anon
    It was you who was assuring everyone (i.e. - hectoring everyone) that there was nothing wrong with Ferguson.

    Nitwit.
    , @StillCARealist
    yeah that woman is a piece of work. I read the first posting by her and thought, "well, why don't you make sure your own kids get plenty of love and support then?" No, she wants to change the rest of us because her childhood was unhappy. I wonder if she even has kids.
    , @AnotherDad

    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman ...
     
    Art, this is very well stated, thank you.

    But why are you pointing this--insignificant and mediocre--woman? Educrat PhDs are some of the least dynamic, least creative people on the planet, "just following orders" types who are cogs in the machine. Some old bag like this has no power--and would never be given power--but that TPTB have created and imposed a "multicultural" and "diversity" ideology that allows some folks like her to exercise their natural passion for being tedious meddling bureaucrats in the ed system. Or to just yap about how to be an more tedious meddling bureaucrat.

    She's a camp guard--at best--not Eichmann or even Goebbels or even on Goebbels staff.
    , @Desiderius

    What gets you about the liberal mentality
     
    It's not just the liberal mentality.
    , @SteveRogers42
    That's not a bug, it's a feature.
  32. @Art Deco
    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman

    https://www.insidehighered.com/users/susan-odoherty

    are rendered emotionally upset at the thought of holding 'the disadvantaged' to impersonal performance standards. How did so many terminally foolish people ever get so much influence?

    Cancer kills the body; cancerous people kill society.

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  33. @Jack D
    What happens when "diversity" meets "whitopia":

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/09/10/suspect-in-custody-after-shooting-at-festival-on-mit-campus


    Police at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology say a shooting has been reported as a parade passed through the school’s campus.

    MIT police say the shooting was reported just before 5 p.m. Sunday at 200 Tech Square. A suspect is in the custody of Cambridge police and a firearm has been recovered.

    Cambridge police say the shooting took place at the Cambridge Carnival. The event has been shut down.


    Advertisement (1 of 1): 0:30
    According to the Carnival’s website, the event is a “colorful and festival celebration rooted in African traditions.” It celebrates diversity and community.

    Two people suffered injuries not considered life-threatening and were taken to a hospital.

    A “colourful and festival [sic] celebration,” eh?

    Not a “colourful festival” or even a “colourful and festive celebration?” Anything for the extraneous and gramatically incorrect syllables with these creatures.

    Surely Oswald Bates or Tedious Coots was the parade’s grand marshall.

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  34. Ed says:
    @Jack D
    In addition to killing people over sneakers (how do you even know they are your size?), down coats also seem to be popular items worth killing others over. White people show off with fancy houses or cars but ghetto status displays tend to be things that are worn on the body - clothing, jewelry, "grills", etc.

    In DC a few years ago, blacks were killing each other over a relatively obscure Norwegian brand of high end winter coats.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/helly-hansen-jacket-craze-sparks-violence/2012/11/30/14eb8cbc-38d1-11e2-a263-f0ebffed2f15_story.html?utm_term=.4f87aa6939ee

    If nothing else blacks are always on the hunt for the latest fashions.

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    If nothing else blacks are always on the hunt for the latest fashions.
     
    I found their work boot craze of a few years ago ironic and hilarious.
  35. eah says:

    It’s a tough job, but everybody’s gotta do it.

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  36. I agree with the general sentiment that going after ALL gang members sure seems like a no-brainer and something we should have been doing from the get-go. I would also state that using RICO to prosecute these guys seems like using a bazooka to kill mosquitoes, but I have no problem with it. The simpler solution would be to have police on the streets LOOKING at things. Case in point: I bought a ticket to see the Tigers play the Dodgers about a month ago, and sitting across the aisle from me were eight or so Dodger fans, all Hispanic. The largest one had a shaved head and an MS-13 tattoo (among many others) emblazoned for all to see. When gang members advertise, shouldn’t that make it easier for police to catch them? These guys sure don’t seem like cryptic, criminal masterminds to me.

    He actually seemed pretty jocular at the game, but I sure would not want to meet him in a dark alley.

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    Police administrators do not want ANY confrontation with gangsters or any other type of serious criminals. Not only are these contacts (shudder) "dangerous", but they will inevitably lead to lawsuits based on use-of-force issues or racial profiling. Street cops know who and where the @$$holes are, but are discouraged from acting by the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" policy mandated by their superiors. The poor bastard in Ferguson who dared to initiate contact with the Gentle Giant was stocking shelves at a warehouse the last I heard.
    , @SteveRogers42
    By the way, here's a brief vignette from the Motor City. Do you think that locating and identifying the problem element is the issue?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bta1DUegd-o
  37. @Jack D
    In other news, undocumented shopping has broken out on hurricane devastated St. Martin. The looters started with taking food and water but quickly moved on to the flat screen TVs and robbing tourists at gunpoint:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/10/world/americas/irma-caribbean-st-martin.html?hpw&rref=world&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

    Units of the national guard from Kentucky, Puerto Rico, and New York earlier were sent in by the department of state to airlift American citizens out of Saint Maarten; apparently the Americans were calling for help from their hotels where they were sheltering in place from the marauders. It’s a shame the government of the Netherlands and France cannot get their shit together enough to control things, but then, considering how effectivley their navies defend Europe from African invasions, I expect their militaries were driving the marauders around in troop transports and otherwise lending a humanitarian helping hand, no?

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    • Replies: @Captain nascimento
    Reminds one of New Orleans superdome after Katrina

    Plus ca change......
  38. Ed says:
    @Jack D
    In addition to killing people over sneakers (how do you even know they are your size?), down coats also seem to be popular items worth killing others over. White people show off with fancy houses or cars but ghetto status displays tend to be things that are worn on the body - clothing, jewelry, "grills", etc.

    In DC a few years ago, blacks were killing each other over a relatively obscure Norwegian brand of high end winter coats.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/helly-hansen-jacket-craze-sparks-violence/2012/11/30/14eb8cbc-38d1-11e2-a263-f0ebffed2f15_story.html?utm_term=.4f87aa6939ee

    If nothing else blacks are always on the hunt for the latest fashions.

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  39. BenKenobi says:

    Pretty soon the only acceptable list will be “Known White Deplorables”

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  40. Or, crazy idea — end the ruinous War on Drugs and the gangs won’t have crazy huge black market profits to incentivize them. The WoD has been going in in various iterations for more than 100 years. It’s been less effective than prohibition and just as violent. The U.S. was willing to admit prohibition was a mistake. It needs to do the same thing with drug criminalization.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    It would seem the problems of black criminality and non-white gangs in general are not the result of the WoD they just happen to be in company with it in the current year. More drugs, less drugs, different drugs or no drugs at all - I suspect we'll still be hearing similar stories of crime.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Or, crazy idea -- we could follow the Duterte method and arrange permanent counseling for all drug dealers.
  41. Ed says:
    @Art Deco
    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman

    https://www.insidehighered.com/users/susan-odoherty

    are rendered emotionally upset at the thought of holding 'the disadvantaged' to impersonal performance standards. How did so many terminally foolish people ever get so much influence?

    Progressives used to concede that blacks and other perpetually behind groups bore some responsibility for their fate. There used to be a real effort to try to mitigate their ways, show them better ways to do things.

    Progressives though didn’t want to lower standards or compromise institutional quality. Now every vice and abhorrent behavior must be acknowledged and accepted if the offenders are a favored minority.

    The NYT mag has a long story this weekend about white southern areas forming independent districts or municipalities. This has been denounced as racism and of course race is at issue but not once does the author ask the whites why they’re doing this, what they’re trying to avoid? Yes they’re trying to avoid blacks but why? That question is never asked because in the halls of High Liberalism the answer is known, racism.

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    That question can never be asked. Even allowing the question to be formulated in the mind is a thought crime for liberals.

    White people want to avoid black people because they are hateful racists.

    White people are suspicious of Jewish motivations and power because they are anti-semitic.

    White people do not want massive immigration into their countries from Mexico because they hate Mexicans because they are Mexicans.

    White people do not want massive migration of Islamic people to the West because they are intolerant of Islam and its peaceful ways.

    For a liberal the only answer to any question regarding discrimination of various groups of people is racism.
  42. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman

    https://www.insidehighered.com/users/susan-odoherty

    are rendered emotionally upset at the thought of holding 'the disadvantaged' to impersonal performance standards. How did so many terminally foolish people ever get so much influence?

    It was you who was assuring everyone (i.e. – hectoring everyone) that there was nothing wrong with Ferguson.

    Nitwit.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It was you who was assuring everyone (i.e. – hectoring everyone) that there was nothing wrong with Ferguson.

    Ferguson in 2013 was a wage-earner's suburb. It was filled with owner-occupied housing (for the most part) and did not have notably elevated crime rates. There are suburbs like this all over the country. It was atypical in one respect: it had a black majority. All over the country, there are about 40 million heads of households who are wage-earners prosperous enough and disciplined enough to qualify for a mortgage. You have 140,000 black heads of household in greater St. Louis. It doesn't require a great imaginative leap to figure there might be 5,000 among them who could afford to buy a suburban house in Ferguson and live in it more or less like any other resident of a mildly impecunious suburb, but it's an imaginative leap that defeats you so thoroughly that (over a period of 3 years) you've had to give everyone here a demonstration of obstinate stupidity at odd intervals. Again, I cannot help you with your issues.
  43. @Jack D
    In addition to killing people over sneakers (how do you even know they are your size?), down coats also seem to be popular items worth killing others over. White people show off with fancy houses or cars but ghetto status displays tend to be things that are worn on the body - clothing, jewelry, "grills", etc.

    (how do you even know they are your size?),

    For the price of a bullet or two, who cares?

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  44. Mr. Anon says:

    A review by Oregonian/OregonLive reporter Carli Brosseau last year found that of the 359 “criminal gang affiliates” flagged in Portland’s database as of last summer, 81 percent were part of a racial or ethnic minority.

    And you have to wonder how many of the gang members were classed as “white” despite looking like they could be Danny Trejo’s brother. That is a not unknown peculiarity of wanted-lists around the country.

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  45. Mr. Anon says:

    Eventually, such RICO tactics could be used to intimidate and shut-down right-wing political groups. And they probably will be.

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    • Replies: @EdwardM
    Agreed. It's been tried. I suppose going after street gangs is not too far away from the original intent of RICO, but whenever police and prosecutors are crowing about "this great tool," it makes me nervous.

    Obviously little sympathy for gang-bangers here, but prosecuting guilt-by-association will inevitably threaten the liberty of innocent people.
  46. @Ed
    In DC a few years ago, blacks were killing each other over a relatively obscure Norwegian brand of high end winter coats.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/helly-hansen-jacket-craze-sparks-violence/2012/11/30/14eb8cbc-38d1-11e2-a263-f0ebffed2f15_story.html?utm_term=.4f87aa6939ee

    If nothing else blacks are always on the hunt for the latest fashions.

    If nothing else blacks are always on the hunt for the latest fashions.

    I found their work boot craze of a few years ago ironic and hilarious.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Work boot fad for non-workers had its white analog. Gals bought pants pre-stressed with worn out seats and knees. Older people laughed at how kids would never think of buying clothes, wearing them to a job (!) and letting nature take its course to achieve those sought-after signs of wear. Why work for anything when you can buy it seemed to be the mantra, once again.
  47. @Art Deco
    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman

    https://www.insidehighered.com/users/susan-odoherty

    are rendered emotionally upset at the thought of holding 'the disadvantaged' to impersonal performance standards. How did so many terminally foolish people ever get so much influence?

    yeah that woman is a piece of work. I read the first posting by her and thought, “well, why don’t you make sure your own kids get plenty of love and support then?” No, she wants to change the rest of us because her childhood was unhappy. I wonder if she even has kids.

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  48. c matt says:
    @Randal

    Portland police next month will end their more than 20-year-old practice of designating people as gang members or gang associates in response to strong community concerns about the labels that have disproportionately affected minorities.
     
    A disappointing lack of lateral thinking on the part of Portland's authorities, there. Surely the obvious solution would be to designate organisations like the Boy Scouts etc as gangs for the purpose of the register.

    Basically, whoever happens to be the gang leader at the moment isn’t usually an irreplaceable criminal mastermind.
     
    A key parallel there with the US regime's policy of targeted murder of people believed to be bosses of resistance and terrorist groups.

    Probably true. But the goal may not be to make the organization scatter, rather to cause internal chaos and, until the new leader emerges, create some self-induced purging, thus thinning the ranks.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    See above. It's far from clear that the policy necessarily actually does that , or that if it does that any gains aren't more than outweighed by the cost of having hungry new leaders and groups stepping up to replace the leaders.
  49. Lot says:
    @Catdog
    Steve, it would make my week if you would make a post about the Pewdiepie kerfuffle.

    It is sad and pathetic that boys now would rather watch others live stream playing a video game than playing themselves.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    My early 80s cohort had much higher T levels than kids today. We physical fought for the game controller between rounds of a game. Watching was for losers or younger kids. The idea of having a computer to yourself and staring at a video of someone else playing is so offensive.

    Of course we also rarely played for more than 30-40 minutes at a time. 2.5 hours maybe the day Mom brought home a brand new game, or a 4 hour binge on the day after Christmas when we got a new game and a new console.

    The fact we now have video game teams, tournaments, sponsors, people paying admission to watch video game competitions, and full time professional players is also disgusting and decadent.

    Since kids do not seem to voluntarily engage in physical activity anymore, a mandatory two hour a day gym class seems appropriate for public schools.
    , @Desiderius
    Don't you enjoy catching a round or two of Jordan Speith?

    Excellence is always interesting, especially excellence one no longer has the time to achieve oneself.

    A good mix of participation and spectating is healthy.
  50. Why is everyone here complaining? Isn’t the self-destruction of Portland a good thing?

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    Why is everyone here complaining? Isn’t the self-destruction of Portland a good thing?
     
    No, it is liberals like you who seemingly welcome the destruction of civilization. Myself, I just find it kind of depressing.
    , @Carneades
    Traditional (if something as recent as local population only existing since WWII is traditional) black neighborhoods in North Portland are rapidly gentrifying. They are being pushed out to the crumby stucco apartment wastelands in the far east side of town. The only thing keeping them in North Portland are the public housing projects and Section 8 houses. Any Section 8 house vacated by its residents is immediately given a coat of paint and put on the market for $300,000+.
    , @Lot
    No, the destruction of another great American city would not be a good thing.
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Why is everyone here complaining? Isn’t the self-destruction of Portland a good thing?"

    Meaningless, irregardless blather.

    Economics are forcing gangbangers to self-deport to more affordable housing east and south of Portland. Wealthy Whites are invading Portland without mercy, continuously driving rents and property values sky high.

    Portland is behaving like any hot, rapidly expanding corporation that can't keep up with customer demand: it charges a LOT for its product..... because it can. And if you can't pay the price, no Portland for you.
  51. Tiny Duck says:

    This post is misleading. The police won’t ‘label’ someone a gang member nor keep those labels. More on the process of labeling someone a gang member (without a conviction or even an arrest): http://projects.oregonlive.com/police/gang-list/

    PPO has a long history of adding random citizens to the gang list, often based on skin color.

    THIS IS MAJOR STEP FORWARD, Now our Boys and Men of Color will not be hunted like animals in Portland.

    Racism and implicit bias will always be a problem with whites. This is why demographic change is imperative so that People of Color have the power of the vote and can bar whites from being in the police force

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    • Replies: @fish

    You have ghey face….computer told me.


    - Leonard Pitts
     
  52. Danindc says:
    @kihowi
    To me the most startling thing about growing older is realizing my gut instinct when I was young was spot-on about everything.

    For decades I was told by everybody whose opinion was remotely respectable that arresting gang members didn't work. It was best to let them go about their business until we figured out who the head muckitymuck was and then arrest him and only him. Besides, just going around arresting as many criminals as possible had the whiff of fascism about it.

    I remember that line of reasoning feeling...off. It sounded like an excuse to not do anything. The best way to fight gangs seemed to me to make the life of every person in them as difficult as possible.

    And of course I was right. But there are too many people who have emotionally taken the side of criminals and have developed an ecosystem of fallacies for their defense that takes a lifetime to see through.

    I too have had every instinct and opinion validated as events have unfolded. It’s a good feeling isn’t it?

    You have had bad advisors over the years though. Hope you made some changes

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  53. @AnotherDad

    (she cites “unwanted party guests” as a classic cause of homicides).
     
    Plano? Or perhaps that was just "poor choice of party guest"?

    Several dynamics are at work there.

    First, when a negro gets thrown out of a party for being disrespectful, their reactions sometimes include coming back to the scene after having retrieved a firearm (and possibly several accomplices with firearms). Generally speaking, if you have a verbal altercation with a black and he leaves the scene, do not assume the interaction is over; instead, assume he is coming back strapped. A cute little wannabe vet tech in College Station got shot in one of these cases, the negro was making a scene at a “beer pong” party and got thrown out, he came back with a Glock and emptied 17 rounds at random through the back door of the house.

    Second, negroes love to throw illegal parties and charge admission for them. They make movies about this (House Party and various sequels). They steal supplies from their employers to do this (the staff at most nursing homes in the South are black and stealing food for cookouts etc. is common). The pool party in McKinney is an example of this. The party phenomenon is much more common with them than with any other minority and is pretty much unheard of among Whites. There’s no such thing as an “invitation list” as these parties are usually advertised on social media and entrance fees are charged.

    Third, when there is a gang beef and members of one gang are known to be in attendance at such a party, the other gang may show up to settle things.

    Hope that helps.

    BTW the recent Plano thing seems to be a result of a divorce rape in progress.

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    • Replies: @Abe

    Several dynamics are at work there.

    First, when a negro gets thrown out of a party for being disrespectful, their reactions sometimes include coming back to the scene after having retrieved a firearm
     
    There was a Paul Kersey article I read a couple weeks ago about a BABY SHOWER being shot up after some big black ol' gang family mama wasn't offered the courtesy of being given her own seat. I'm sure cucks would still cream themselves on account of this over-the-hill Garika Barnes showing up to church in her 'crown', though.
    , @Sajmon
    "Hope that helps."

    Suspect: Spencer Hight, 32, white man, no criminal record, worked as an analyst for HCL Technologies, a software company.
  54. bored identity couldn’t help himself not to notice that the author of this article shares her first name with the Honorable Senatorissima Waters, and last name with the late Lenny The Conductor…

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  55. Mr. Anon says:
    @anony-mouse
    Why is everyone here complaining? Isn't the self-destruction of Portland a good thing?

    Why is everyone here complaining? Isn’t the self-destruction of Portland a good thing?

    No, it is liberals like you who seemingly welcome the destruction of civilization. Myself, I just find it kind of depressing.

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  56. Muse says:
    @Randal

    Portland police next month will end their more than 20-year-old practice of designating people as gang members or gang associates in response to strong community concerns about the labels that have disproportionately affected minorities.
     
    A disappointing lack of lateral thinking on the part of Portland's authorities, there. Surely the obvious solution would be to designate organisations like the Boy Scouts etc as gangs for the purpose of the register.

    Basically, whoever happens to be the gang leader at the moment isn’t usually an irreplaceable criminal mastermind.
     
    A key parallel there with the US regime's policy of targeted murder of people believed to be bosses of resistance and terrorist groups.

    It is all right here:

    It appears that a soldier’s ability to resist is a function of the capacity of his immediate primary group (his squad or section) to avoid social disintegration. When the individual’s immediate group, and its supporting formations, met his basic organic needs, offered him affection and esteem from both officers and comrades, supplied him with a sense of power and adequately regulated his relations with authority, the element of self-concern in battle, which would lead to disruption of the effective functioning of his primary group, was minimized.

    Cohesion and Disintegration in the Wehrmacht in World War II
    EDWARD A. SHILS MORRIS JANOWITZ(1948, p. 281):

    If you kill the platoon leader, the next (probably really pissed off) guy in line steps up.

    You have to incapacitate the group. It is like a small ant team, as understood by E.O. Wilson. If the they can’t communicate, the group becomes ineffective. Is this really so difficult for the folks in Portland to grok? It is why gangs flourish in prisons when gang members are concentrated together. They form social groups and and do stuff they enjoy. The endorphins they get from risk taking is the strong force that binds them together.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    It's also been noted elsewhere:

    Targeting the Islamic State’s leaders will not defeat the expanding terrorist group because of a “deep bench” of trained operators who can quickly replace the dead, says a new report by a Pentagon-supported research group.
    .........
    “Any coherent plan against the Islamic State must aim to eliminate, not merely degrade, its leadership and potential leadership,” according to the report compiled by the RAND Corp., a nonpartisan think tank. “The coalition has successfully targeted numerous senior leaders, but the organization’s focus on creating a deep bench of personnel means that attacking individual leaders will not destroy the group. Replacements will rise, and any damaging effect will be temporary.”
     
    Killing Islamic State’s leaders useless; ‘deep bench’ replaces the dead
    Washington Times 28th September 2015

    and:


    When the topic of conversation came round to ways of defeating the [roadside] bombs, everyone was in agreement. ‘They would have charts up on the wall showing the insurgent cells they were facing, often with the names and pictures of the guys running them,’ Rivolo remembers. ‘When we asked about going after the high-value individuals and what effect it was having, they’d say, “Oh yeah, we killed that guy last month, and we’re getting more IEDs than ever.” They all said the same thing, point blank: “[O]nce you knock them off, a day later you have a new guy who’s smarter, younger, more aggressive and is out for revenge.”’
     
    Assassinating Terrorists Does Not Work
    Boston Review 24th November 2015

    and, from the same article, an extension into law enforcement:

    Cockburn compares targeted political murder with the consequences of Mexican president Felipe Caldéron’s war on the drug cartels, which took out two-thirds of the most wanted kingpins between 2006 and 2012. The result: no fewer than sixty smaller but considerably more violent criminal drug groups contested for control of the vacuum.
     
    , @Carneades
    So you would shoot the radioman?
    , @SteveRogers42
    Jails and prisons are sweet deals for the permanent crime-and-welfare underclass. Structure our "corrections" facilities like Cool Hand Luke, and you'll tamp down those endorphins a bit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=76&v=8CBqjZX6FjE
  57. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    We need a term for disappearing facts or data to flatter or protect a certain favored/preferred/sacralized group.

    Tipp-Exing?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipp-Ex

    We also need a term for switching words/terms to overlook an ‘inconvenient’ fact.

    Like calling black criminals or thugs ‘teens’ or ‘youths’… or calling Hollywood elites ‘whites’.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    We also need a term for switching words/terms to overlook an ‘inconvenient’ fact. Like calling black criminals or thugs ‘teens’ or ‘youths’… or calling Hollywood elites ‘whites’.
     
    The former's a youthemism, the latter a jewphemism.
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "We need a term for disappearing facts or data to flatter or protect a certain favored/preferred/sacralized group."

    Hidden figures.
  58. TWS says:

    Gang affiliation used to make it impossible to join the police. Then they started giving waivers for gang affiliation and felonies. Easier just to quit tracking at all. If you’re not going to arrest them anyway keeping track has nothing but downside for sjw admin.

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  59. Yak-15 says:
    @Jack D
    In addition to killing people over sneakers (how do you even know they are your size?), down coats also seem to be popular items worth killing others over. White people show off with fancy houses or cars but ghetto status displays tend to be things that are worn on the body - clothing, jewelry, "grills", etc.

    Canada Goose now offers options to forgo labels on their $1500 winter coats because too many people were getting jacked for wearing them.

    What’s the point of being hyper rich if you cannot openly show your status and let people know you are better than them?

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  60. Carneades says:
    @anony-mouse
    Why is everyone here complaining? Isn't the self-destruction of Portland a good thing?

    Traditional (if something as recent as local population only existing since WWII is traditional) black neighborhoods in North Portland are rapidly gentrifying. They are being pushed out to the crumby stucco apartment wastelands in the far east side of town. The only thing keeping them in North Portland are the public housing projects and Section 8 houses. Any Section 8 house vacated by its residents is immediately given a coat of paint and put on the market for $300,000+.

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  61. Andrew says:

    Shocking that Portland can’t make the obvious move of importing more white members of organized criminal gangs:

    Sicilian and Neapolitan mafiosi
    Albanian slavers and drug dealers
    “Russian” mafia
    Irish travelers and similar white gypsies
    Pagan/Outlaw motorcycle gang members

    Surely this sort of diversity would be good for Portland.

    I could see a program of sponsorship with housing subsidies to get the entree into the expensive Portland market, but then just let them do their thing. Make organized crime white again. Win-win.

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  62. eah says:

    OT

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Boo hoo. Now string him up.
    , @Pericles
    If only the life of this Middle Eastern trash was actually destroyed.
    , @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJegMGbXcAAIlR2.jpg
    , @eah
    https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/907924525878308864
  63. t says:

    Seeing lots more of these stories. Do ppl feel so attacked on social media that they start imagining real-life attacks?? Weird. https://t.co/nQ6KFJFN6x— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) September 11, 2017

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  64. Lurker says:
    @Cloudbuster
    Or, crazy idea -- end the ruinous War on Drugs and the gangs won't have crazy huge black market profits to incentivize them. The WoD has been going in in various iterations for more than 100 years. It's been less effective than prohibition and just as violent. The U.S. was willing to admit prohibition was a mistake. It needs to do the same thing with drug criminalization.

    It would seem the problems of black criminality and non-white gangs in general are not the result of the WoD they just happen to be in company with it in the current year. More drugs, less drugs, different drugs or no drugs at all – I suspect we’ll still be hearing similar stories of crime.

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    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    At least they'd be more poorly-funded.
    , @Jingo Starr
    +1

    Causation vs. Correlation 101

    While the war for the global rule of law is fought on the racial plane, it is critical to note that racial and cultural intermixing as well as drugs are distinct attack vectors that do produce synergies. Duterte is an example of a statesman that understands this and understands that substance abuse is self-medication and has taken the initiative to prescribe treatment and medicate certain self-medicators.

    Medical Mary Jane legalization is not the same thing as legalizing opioids, cocaine, meth., etc. Broad narcotic legalization would be trading the drug gang problem for something along the lines of a non-economic and purely violence driven gang a la the Normans and Vikings. By non-economic I merely mean the culture-sustaining business model would shift to full-time piracy and violence.

    The gangs are surely a problem, but the more dangerous criminals are the treasonous progressive missionaries and their apostasy. Both criminal elements should be addressed to restore the rule of law.
  65. Lot says:
    @anony-mouse
    Why is everyone here complaining? Isn't the self-destruction of Portland a good thing?

    No, the destruction of another great American city would not be a good thing.

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    • Replies: @AM

    No, the destruction of another great American city would not be a good thing.
     
    I've visited both Portlands. Maine's version is small and quantish, a relic of a different time. Oregon's version doesn't bring the adjective "great" to mind.
    , @Autochthon
    I disagree. All large cities are now overrun by – and run by – my enemies; there is no longer any thing great about any if them. Their destruction will be welcome.
  66. Lurker says:
    @Jack D
    In addition to killing people over sneakers (how do you even know they are your size?), down coats also seem to be popular items worth killing others over. White people show off with fancy houses or cars but ghetto status displays tend to be things that are worn on the body - clothing, jewelry, "grills", etc.

    If they don’t fit you can sell them on.

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  67. Lurker says:
    @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/907171625241649152

    Boo hoo. Now string him up.

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  68. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    This post is misleading. The police won't 'label' someone a gang member nor keep those labels. More on the process of labeling someone a gang member (without a conviction or even an arrest): http://projects.oregonlive.com/police/gang-list/ …

    PPO has a long history of adding random citizens to the gang list, often based on skin color.

    THIS IS MAJOR STEP FORWARD, Now our Boys and Men of Color will not be hunted like animals in Portland.

    Racism and implicit bias will always be a problem with whites. This is why demographic change is imperative so that People of Color have the power of the vote and can bar whites from being in the police force

    You have ghey face….computer told me.

    - Leonard Pitts

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  69. Lot says:
    @Lot
    It is sad and pathetic that boys now would rather watch others live stream playing a video game than playing themselves.

    My early 80s cohort had much higher T levels than kids today. We physical fought for the game controller between rounds of a game. Watching was for losers or younger kids. The idea of having a computer to yourself and staring at a video of someone else playing is so offensive.

    Of course we also rarely played for more than 30-40 minutes at a time. 2.5 hours maybe the day Mom brought home a brand new game, or a 4 hour binge on the day after Christmas when we got a new game and a new console.

    The fact we now have video game teams, tournaments, sponsors, people paying admission to watch video game competitions, and full time professional players is also disgusting and decadent.

    Since kids do not seem to voluntarily engage in physical activity anymore, a mandatory two hour a day gym class seems appropriate for public schools.

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    Congrats Lot. You answered you're own comment before I could even get my lazy butt outta bed and respond to this.

    It is sad and pathetic that boys now would rather watch others live stream playing a video game than playing themselves.
     
    You finally got there at the end:


    Since kids do not seem to voluntarily engage in physical activity anymore, a mandatory two hour a day gym class seems appropriate for public schools.
     
    Yeah--"go outside and play!"

    Yes, watching other people play video games (3rd order activity) is deeply pathetic. But the whole video game thing as young mens' main "activity" is even more pathetic. As an occasional distraction--like the amusment park--fine. But it's not life, it's some sort of lame hollow anti-life.

    Your suggestion--essentially "bring back gym class", but a big gym class--is spot on. I was thinking the same thing in response to a bunch of the comments on the Mass test scores post. If i was running a school, i'd have both variety--like the gym class i had, this month basketball, next month wrestling, next month handball, next month tennis ...--and let kids pick a sport and have them do intramural in that sport. I wouldn't require every day but two or three times a week is reasonable. (And if they were out for the a sport--running track (like my kids), playing football, baseball, soccer, tennis, swimming ... they'd have that time back for another class or study hall.)

    I'd also have coverage that included the "social graces". All kids should have the opportunity to also golf, shoot and i'd especially include dance, so the kids could practice behaving with the other sex--or for some boys learn what girls actually look like offline. This stuff is much more important than a bunch of junk they do now. Kid's too busy--nonsense. They have time for video games and facebook, they can cut that.

    The Internet has brought a lot of benefits--mostly a huge access to information, including--perhaps mostly importantly of all--an ability (for those who care) to get by the narrative the globo-totalitarians wish to impose. But there are downsides. Video games and porn--life substitutes--
    are disasters for young men who are supposed to be out adventuring. Facebook and all the other crap on cell phones are disasters for young women, brining out the worst in them. Of course, we've got so many other problems, this stuff is like diaster #5.
    , @Kaz
    How is valuing athletes that just throw/hit a stupid ball around any better? It's not like most fans of those are healthy people judging by obesity statistics..
    , @Abe

    The idea of having a computer to yourself and staring at a video of someone else playing is so offensive.
     
    I caught my son doing it the other day and had the same reaction- meta-lameness. However, with the amount of hours I (and a lot of other parents) work it is not possible to keep him off the TV/tablet all the time, and- yes- he's already enrolled in a sport.

    However, this is not a new phenomenon. Going back to Tolkien (and surely well before) there is always metacommentary in the story about how much more fun it is to READ about an adventure than actually live through one. Our FOREVER WAR FOR THE 0TH AMENDMENT has already produced more heart-stopping, edge-of-your-seat moments than the producers of YOUNG INDIANA JONES could ever dream of (plus even if you're not special forces material you could still enroll in the Army and maybe get to see the insides of an attack helicopter- i.e. become the closest thing there is in real-life to a dragonrider), but of course that runs the risk of crashing, maiming yourself, or (worse) being taken prisoner and winding up in an ISIS cage. As exciting a conclusion as anything ever shown on HBO, but not surprising most people chose to stick to watching GAME OF THRONES for their weekly dose of ultra-violence.

    , @SteveRogers42
    Case in point:

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/62991/1960s-high-school-gym-class-would-ruin-you
  70. Pericles says:
    @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/907171625241649152

    If only the life of this Middle Eastern trash was actually destroyed.

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  71. Pericles says:
    @Catdog
    Steve, it would make my week if you would make a post about the Pewdiepie kerfuffle.

    I can tell you that Dagens Nyheter, the largest and most Bonniers-owned paper in Sweden, was outraged.

    “Greta Thurfjell: How long will Pewdiepie be permitted to make money from racism?”

    http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/greta-thurfjell-hur-lange-ska-pewdiepie-tillatas-tjana-pengar-pa-att-vara-rasist/

    Here is Greta by the way

    https://cached-images.bonnier.news/cms30/UploadedImages/2017/9/11/8b224539-738e-409c-8f1a-47f69789452b/bigOriginal.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&downsize=*:415&output-quality=80&output-format=webp

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  72. 3g4me says:
    @AnotherDad

    (she cites “unwanted party guests” as a classic cause of homicides).
     
    Plano? Or perhaps that was just "poor choice of party guest"?

    @3 AnotherDad: “Plano? Or perhaps that was just “poor choice of party guest”?

    It was just some of Obama’s would-be sons getting together to watch dey football team.

    Funny how one never reads media descriptions of Plano as “hideously White” any more. It’s set to be below 50% soon. How long until the Asians start following the Whites who’ve already left? Because Whites need all those clever Han to have a functioning community and good skoos. Rinse, repeat.

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  73. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon
    It was you who was assuring everyone (i.e. - hectoring everyone) that there was nothing wrong with Ferguson.

    Nitwit.

    It was you who was assuring everyone (i.e. – hectoring everyone) that there was nothing wrong with Ferguson.

    Ferguson in 2013 was a wage-earner’s suburb. It was filled with owner-occupied housing (for the most part) and did not have notably elevated crime rates. There are suburbs like this all over the country. It was atypical in one respect: it had a black majority. All over the country, there are about 40 million heads of households who are wage-earners prosperous enough and disciplined enough to qualify for a mortgage. You have 140,000 black heads of household in greater St. Louis. It doesn’t require a great imaginative leap to figure there might be 5,000 among them who could afford to buy a suburban house in Ferguson and live in it more or less like any other resident of a mildly impecunious suburb, but it’s an imaginative leap that defeats you so thoroughly that (over a period of 3 years) you’ve had to give everyone here a demonstration of obstinate stupidity at odd intervals. Again, I cannot help you with your issues.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    There were write ups in local papers about Ferguson that noted precipitous home value drops & the emergence of Section 8 renters before Mike Brown. The Ferguson school district was rated the 2nd worst in the state. This was no suburban idyll it was stressed already.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/sunday-review/why-are-our-schools-still-segregated.html

    Crime rate exceeded national norms: http://www.city-data.com/city/Ferguson-Missouri.html

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/blame-poverty-age-for-weak-north-county-home-market/article_95c998e5-bb87-5bc0-9054-83e801b357ac.html
    , @Lot
    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black. At that point, due to whites being older and sometimes using cheap catholic schools, the local public school hits 50% black and the neighborhood tips away to the point even WWC with limited budgets won't stay if they have kids.

    I have morbidly looked at census data for a lot of them. The transition from 2% to 25% black takes many decades. From 25% to 75% black can happen in just 15 years. If it is a physically spaced out suburb immune to street crime because there is little street life, there is then a new equalibrium around that point as the remaining elderly whites + city employees who send their kids to private schools + white welfare/disability cases largely stay put.
    , @Mr. Anon
    You apparently said a bunch of stuff there. I don't know what it was; I didn't read it and I don't care. Nothing you write is of any import.

    When I want to know about the Dewey-Decimal system, then I'll ask you a question.

    Again, I cannot help you with your issues.
     
    You cannot help anyone with anything, other than perhaps an inter-library loan request.

    Idiot.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I guess you said things there. I wouldn't know, as I didn't read it. There is no point in reading the drivel you post. When I want an opinion on the Dewey-Decimal System, I'll ask you a question.
  74. Alfa158 says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Steve

    Off Topic but did anybody see just how bad the attendance was for the Rams Vs Colts game was on Sunday.

    I am sure the NFL was hoping for much better when the schedule came out, with a Luck vs Goff match hype potential in the offer.

    If the neighborhood around the LA Coliseum still that bad these days like it was during the height of the Crack Wars.

    But it looks like fans are abandoning the NFL for a number of reasons nationwide.

    Good be a worthwhile open thread.

    The neigborhood has gotten much better since the Crack Wars. I wouldn’t move out of my Whitopia to live there, but USC, LA Live, the Staples Center and the general urban gentrification trends have improved and cleaned up the area. Another factor is the ongoing Hispanic campaign of ethnically cleansing South LA of Black people.

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  75. Randal says:
    @Muse
    It is all right here:

    It appears that a soldier’s ability to resist is a function of the capacity of his immediate primary group (his squad or section) to avoid social disintegration. When the individual’s immediate group, and its supporting formations, met his basic organic needs, offered him affection and esteem from both officers and comrades, supplied him with a sense of power and adequately regulated his relations with authority, the element of self-concern in battle, which would lead to disruption of the effective functioning of his primary group, was minimized.

    Cohesion and Disintegration in the Wehrmacht in World War II
    EDWARD A. SHILS MORRIS JANOWITZ(1948, p. 281):
     
    If you kill the platoon leader, the next (probably really pissed off) guy in line steps up.

    You have to incapacitate the group. It is like a small ant team, as understood by E.O. Wilson. If the they can't communicate, the group becomes ineffective. Is this really so difficult for the folks in Portland to grok? It is why gangs flourish in prisons when gang members are concentrated together. They form social groups and and do stuff they enjoy. The endorphins they get from risk taking is the strong force that binds them together.

    It’s also been noted elsewhere:

    Targeting the Islamic State’s leaders will not defeat the expanding terrorist group because of a “deep bench” of trained operators who can quickly replace the dead, says a new report by a Pentagon-supported research group.
    ………
    “Any coherent plan against the Islamic State must aim to eliminate, not merely degrade, its leadership and potential leadership,” according to the report compiled by the RAND Corp., a nonpartisan think tank. “The coalition has successfully targeted numerous senior leaders, but the organization’s focus on creating a deep bench of personnel means that attacking individual leaders will not destroy the group. Replacements will rise, and any damaging effect will be temporary.”

    Killing Islamic State’s leaders useless; ‘deep bench’ replaces the dead
    Washington Times 28th September 2015

    and:

    When the topic of conversation came round to ways of defeating the [roadside] bombs, everyone was in agreement. ‘They would have charts up on the wall showing the insurgent cells they were facing, often with the names and pictures of the guys running them,’ Rivolo remembers. ‘When we asked about going after the high-value individuals and what effect it was having, they’d say, “Oh yeah, we killed that guy last month, and we’re getting more IEDs than ever.” They all said the same thing, point blank: “[O]nce you knock them off, a day later you have a new guy who’s smarter, younger, more aggressive and is out for revenge.”’

    Assassinating Terrorists Does Not Work
    Boston Review 24th November 2015

    and, from the same article, an extension into law enforcement:

    Cockburn compares targeted political murder with the consequences of Mexican president Felipe Caldéron’s war on the drug cartels, which took out two-thirds of the most wanted kingpins between 2006 and 2012. The result: no fewer than sixty smaller but considerably more violent criminal drug groups contested for control of the vacuum.

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  76. Carneades says:
    @Muse
    It is all right here:

    It appears that a soldier’s ability to resist is a function of the capacity of his immediate primary group (his squad or section) to avoid social disintegration. When the individual’s immediate group, and its supporting formations, met his basic organic needs, offered him affection and esteem from both officers and comrades, supplied him with a sense of power and adequately regulated his relations with authority, the element of self-concern in battle, which would lead to disruption of the effective functioning of his primary group, was minimized.

    Cohesion and Disintegration in the Wehrmacht in World War II
    EDWARD A. SHILS MORRIS JANOWITZ(1948, p. 281):
     
    If you kill the platoon leader, the next (probably really pissed off) guy in line steps up.

    You have to incapacitate the group. It is like a small ant team, as understood by E.O. Wilson. If the they can't communicate, the group becomes ineffective. Is this really so difficult for the folks in Portland to grok? It is why gangs flourish in prisons when gang members are concentrated together. They form social groups and and do stuff they enjoy. The endorphins they get from risk taking is the strong force that binds them together.

    So you would shoot the radioman?

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  77. Randal says:
    @c matt
    Probably true. But the goal may not be to make the organization scatter, rather to cause internal chaos and, until the new leader emerges, create some self-induced purging, thus thinning the ranks.

    See above. It’s far from clear that the policy necessarily actually does that , or that if it does that any gains aren’t more than outweighed by the cost of having hungry new leaders and groups stepping up to replace the leaders.

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  78. The Z Blog says: • Website

    On the East Coast, cutting off the head of drug gangs turned out to be a mistake. In the 70′s, the big heroin dealers managed to keep a lid on the ghetto, because it was good for business. Crack, of course, was very bad for business, but the decision to go after the top guys made it worse. Instead of a few reasonably well run organizations, every block had its own street gang. Arresting a shot caller just meant the next guy got bumped up.

    The trouble for a city like Baltimore is the ad-hoc nature of the gang culture that has evolved over the decades means they are everywhere. The pols and city managers have relatives exposed to or involved with street life. The city jails have been stocked with guards from the neighborhood, with loyalty to the neighborhood. That’s why the first instinct of city officials after Freddie Gray was to side with the street over the cops. It’s why the cops remain skeptical of efforts by the city to repair the damage.

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  79. Steve,

    If you are interested in gangs, or even interested in people who are AMAZING, you should look into the Canadian Minister of Defense, Harjit Sajjan. The guy started as a beat cop, and a member of Canada’s Army Reserve (I know, right?). He busted up the Indian gangs in Vancouver, then busted up the Taliban in Afghanistan, and now he’s head of the military in Canada (I know, right?).

    Anyway, interesting guy.

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  80. AM says:
    @Lot
    No, the destruction of another great American city would not be a good thing.

    No, the destruction of another great American city would not be a good thing.

    I’ve visited both Portlands. Maine’s version is small and quantish, a relic of a different time. Oregon’s version doesn’t bring the adjective “great” to mind.

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  81. @Lot
    No, the destruction of another great American city would not be a good thing.

    I disagree. All large cities are now overrun by – and run by – my enemies; there is no longer any thing great about any if them. Their destruction will be welcome.

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  82. George says:

    Alternatively, there are too few blacks to have proper gangs, so why provoke bad situations and pay cops extra to have gang task forces and such.

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  83. Ed says:
    @Art Deco
    It was you who was assuring everyone (i.e. – hectoring everyone) that there was nothing wrong with Ferguson.

    Ferguson in 2013 was a wage-earner's suburb. It was filled with owner-occupied housing (for the most part) and did not have notably elevated crime rates. There are suburbs like this all over the country. It was atypical in one respect: it had a black majority. All over the country, there are about 40 million heads of households who are wage-earners prosperous enough and disciplined enough to qualify for a mortgage. You have 140,000 black heads of household in greater St. Louis. It doesn't require a great imaginative leap to figure there might be 5,000 among them who could afford to buy a suburban house in Ferguson and live in it more or less like any other resident of a mildly impecunious suburb, but it's an imaginative leap that defeats you so thoroughly that (over a period of 3 years) you've had to give everyone here a demonstration of obstinate stupidity at odd intervals. Again, I cannot help you with your issues.

    There were write ups in local papers about Ferguson that noted precipitous home value drops & the emergence of Section 8 renters before Mike Brown. The Ferguson school district was rated the 2nd worst in the state. This was no suburban idyll it was stressed already.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/sunday-review/why-are-our-schools-still-segregated.html

    Crime rate exceeded national norms: http://www.city-data.com/city/Ferguson-Missouri.html

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/blame-poverty-age-for-weak-north-county-home-market/article_95c998e5-bb87-5bc0-9054-83e801b357ac.html

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    Based on its demographics it is very unlikely Ferguson is or ever was the 2nd worst district in the state unless the ranking is not absolute quality but adjusted for income or other factors.
    , @Art Deco
    The homicide rate of a municipality with Ferguson's population bounces around some from year to year. You see the median over the period from 2002-13 was 4.8 per 100,000. That's below the national mean for that time period. For rape, the median was 28 per 100,000, below the national mean; for robbery, 211 per 100,000, about 1.5x the national mean; for assault, 217 per 100,000, about 25% below the national mean. They had high rates of auto theft (the median about 2.2x national means) and burglary (about 1.7x national means).

    Ferguson wasn't tony. Most people do not live in places which are.
  84. Lot says:
    @Art Deco
    It was you who was assuring everyone (i.e. – hectoring everyone) that there was nothing wrong with Ferguson.

    Ferguson in 2013 was a wage-earner's suburb. It was filled with owner-occupied housing (for the most part) and did not have notably elevated crime rates. There are suburbs like this all over the country. It was atypical in one respect: it had a black majority. All over the country, there are about 40 million heads of households who are wage-earners prosperous enough and disciplined enough to qualify for a mortgage. You have 140,000 black heads of household in greater St. Louis. It doesn't require a great imaginative leap to figure there might be 5,000 among them who could afford to buy a suburban house in Ferguson and live in it more or less like any other resident of a mildly impecunious suburb, but it's an imaginative leap that defeats you so thoroughly that (over a period of 3 years) you've had to give everyone here a demonstration of obstinate stupidity at odd intervals. Again, I cannot help you with your issues.

    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black. At that point, due to whites being older and sometimes using cheap catholic schools, the local public school hits 50% black and the neighborhood tips away to the point even WWC with limited budgets won’t stay if they have kids.

    I have morbidly looked at census data for a lot of them. The transition from 2% to 25% black takes many decades. From 25% to 75% black can happen in just 15 years. If it is a physically spaced out suburb immune to street crime because there is little street life, there is then a new equalibrium around that point as the remaining elderly whites + city employees who send their kids to private schools + white welfare/disability cases largely stay put.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black.

    Ferguson had been majority black since about 1998. It was about 2/3 black in 2013. I think they passed the 30% black threshold some time prior to 1990.
    , @AnotherDad
    Lot, this is an extremely good comment. Above even you usual good stuff. Good observation of sociological process and reasonable estimates on the numbers.

    ~~
    A couple thoughts:

    1) Art Deco is probably right that there are some number of at least reasonably semi-stable black middleclass suburbs. It would depend on all sorts of geographic and sociological factors--housing stock, natural boundaries (easier to defend neighborhoods with natural boundaries), the quantity of middle class blacks in a metro area, etc. etc.

    But of course, the factors that people have noted
    --> Almost all blacks who aren't completely multi-generation, talent-tenth, paper-bag test passers, will have some pretty crappy relatives.
    --> Section 8 is a cancer spreader designed mostly to destabilize WWC neighborhoods and rain destruction down upon them ... but even more prone to do the same to BWC/"householder" neighborhoods.

    I don't think Ferguson was as stable as Art was suggesting. My impression was Section 8 was dutifully doing its duty, bringing in the garbage and running the joint down. But I haven't investigated and don't know.

    2) Your comment really nails the core sociological problem in the US.
    Essentially:

    Blacks are so bad--specifically in sociopathic behavior/criminality--that it simply doesn't take very many of them for whites and everyone else to want to flee. Which is why you really can *not* have integration. Even just at their national proportion--14%--blacks create enough extra dysfunction/disorder/crime, that everyone else would just as soon get away.

    This fundamental fact is why all schemes of "integration" inevitably generate conflict and fail, and why entirely normal behavior from non-blacks, must/will endlessly be denounced as "racism".


    I think blacks are about 3x or 4x where integration could work. I think if they were say 4x less violent--so only twice as violent as whites--the tipping wouldn't come fast enough to cause trouble. Or if the were say 4x less numerous--4% of the nation--a lot of communities could tolerate running up to that 4%, tolerating the increased crime in the neighborhood and stupidity/acting-out in the schools and grin and bear it. But a 15% does of people who are 8x just worse is too much. Inevitably normal people flee from it.
  85. It really is amazing sometimes how much modern progressivism seems to depend on hiding or eliminating information.

    What kind of mentality would be happy to embrace a belief system in which deliberate ignorance is a required feature?

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  86. Lot says:
    @Ed
    There were write ups in local papers about Ferguson that noted precipitous home value drops & the emergence of Section 8 renters before Mike Brown. The Ferguson school district was rated the 2nd worst in the state. This was no suburban idyll it was stressed already.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/sunday-review/why-are-our-schools-still-segregated.html

    Crime rate exceeded national norms: http://www.city-data.com/city/Ferguson-Missouri.html

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/blame-poverty-age-for-weak-north-county-home-market/article_95c998e5-bb87-5bc0-9054-83e801b357ac.html

    Based on its demographics it is very unlikely Ferguson is or ever was the 2nd worst district in the state unless the ranking is not absolute quality but adjusted for income or other factors.

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  87. @Lurker
    It would seem the problems of black criminality and non-white gangs in general are not the result of the WoD they just happen to be in company with it in the current year. More drugs, less drugs, different drugs or no drugs at all - I suspect we'll still be hearing similar stories of crime.

    At least they’d be more poorly-funded.

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  88. OT WWT

    English trends coming to America.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-rapist-in-a-womens-prison-society-has-lost-the-plot/20310

    Winston Churchill once again may provide inspiration for us all.

    Now this is not the end. This is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning

    .

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  89. @Lot
    My early 80s cohort had much higher T levels than kids today. We physical fought for the game controller between rounds of a game. Watching was for losers or younger kids. The idea of having a computer to yourself and staring at a video of someone else playing is so offensive.

    Of course we also rarely played for more than 30-40 minutes at a time. 2.5 hours maybe the day Mom brought home a brand new game, or a 4 hour binge on the day after Christmas when we got a new game and a new console.

    The fact we now have video game teams, tournaments, sponsors, people paying admission to watch video game competitions, and full time professional players is also disgusting and decadent.

    Since kids do not seem to voluntarily engage in physical activity anymore, a mandatory two hour a day gym class seems appropriate for public schools.

    Congrats Lot. You answered you’re own comment before I could even get my lazy butt outta bed and respond to this.

    It is sad and pathetic that boys now would rather watch others live stream playing a video game than playing themselves.

    You finally got there at the end:

    Since kids do not seem to voluntarily engage in physical activity anymore, a mandatory two hour a day gym class seems appropriate for public schools.

    Yeah–”go outside and play!”

    Yes, watching other people play video games (3rd order activity) is deeply pathetic. But the whole video game thing as young mens’ main “activity” is even more pathetic. As an occasional distraction–like the amusment park–fine. But it’s not life, it’s some sort of lame hollow anti-life.

    Your suggestion–essentially “bring back gym class”, but a big gym class–is spot on. I was thinking the same thing in response to a bunch of the comments on the Mass test scores post. If i was running a school, i’d have both variety–like the gym class i had, this month basketball, next month wrestling, next month handball, next month tennis …–and let kids pick a sport and have them do intramural in that sport. I wouldn’t require every day but two or three times a week is reasonable. (And if they were out for the a sport–running track (like my kids), playing football, baseball, soccer, tennis, swimming … they’d have that time back for another class or study hall.)

    I’d also have coverage that included the “social graces”. All kids should have the opportunity to also golf, shoot and i’d especially include dance, so the kids could practice behaving with the other sex–or for some boys learn what girls actually look like offline. This stuff is much more important than a bunch of junk they do now. Kid’s too busy–nonsense. They have time for video games and facebook, they can cut that.

    The Internet has brought a lot of benefits–mostly a huge access to information, including–perhaps mostly importantly of all–an ability (for those who care) to get by the narrative the globo-totalitarians wish to impose. But there are downsides. Video games and porn–life substitutes–
    are disasters for young men who are supposed to be out adventuring. Facebook and all the other crap on cell phones are disasters for young women, brining out the worst in them. Of course, we’ve got so many other problems, this stuff is like diaster #5.

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  90. Barnard says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Steve

    Off Topic but did anybody see just how bad the attendance was for the Rams Vs Colts game was on Sunday.

    I am sure the NFL was hoping for much better when the schedule came out, with a Luck vs Goff match hype potential in the offer.

    If the neighborhood around the LA Coliseum still that bad these days like it was during the height of the Crack Wars.

    But it looks like fans are abandoning the NFL for a number of reasons nationwide.

    Good be a worthwhile open thread.

    The Rams are claiming a paid attendance of 60,128, which in addition to obviously not being the number of people who showed up, is almost 30,000 below capacity. It looks like everyone else beat that easily, with the worst percentages otherwise belonging to the Bengals and Redskins in the mid 80s.

    Chargers crowds are expected to be even worse. Some of this is going to be unique to L.A., there was a lot of criticism during the push to bring a team back to L.A. that fans would turn out for the games. I’m sure the NFL thinks the problem will be solved once the new stadium is built, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Given the time and expense involved, plus how much better the viewing experience is at home, it amazes me so many still go to NFL games.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance

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    • Replies: @Ed
    NFL stadiums are not good places to watch the game. I can't imagine LA's stadium being much of a destination. Did the NFL take into account the demographic changes since the last time there were teams in LA?
  91. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The OTHER option is for Portland government to pay white kids to form gangs.

    Have non-violent white kids form gangs like ‘Bicycle to Work’ gang.
    ‘Gay Worship’ gang.

    Or, Portlang can count Antifa as gangs and then the biggest gang will be white.

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  92. @Jack D
    What happens when "diversity" meets "whitopia":

    https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/09/10/suspect-in-custody-after-shooting-at-festival-on-mit-campus


    Police at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology say a shooting has been reported as a parade passed through the school’s campus.

    MIT police say the shooting was reported just before 5 p.m. Sunday at 200 Tech Square. A suspect is in the custody of Cambridge police and a firearm has been recovered.

    Cambridge police say the shooting took place at the Cambridge Carnival. The event has been shut down.


    Advertisement (1 of 1): 0:30
    According to the Carnival’s website, the event is a “colorful and festival celebration rooted in African traditions.” It celebrates diversity and community.

    Two people suffered injuries not considered life-threatening and were taken to a hospital.

    What happens when “diversity” meets “whitopia”:

    Good one Jack. But “whitopia”? Don’t want to get Yan Shen cranked up. We need to coin a new word “whitasiopia” or something. “Inclusion”.

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    • Replies: @DFH
    Denis Kearney fought for the right of white men on the West Coast to be free of his kind
  93. lavoisier says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    The Police Bureau recognizes that the gang designations have led to “unintended consequences” and served as lifelong barriers for those who have shunned the gang lifestyle and tried to get jobs, said Acting Tactical Operations Capt. Andy Shearer.
     
    This is a valid concern, of course. But the mere fact that over 80% of the people listed are Minorities probably means nothing other than that the vast majority of gang members in Portland are Minorities. Leftists have an oddly hard time understanding that groups aren't always identical.

    Leftists have an oddly hard time dealing with reality.

    That is why they are so dangerous.

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  94. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Ed
    Progressives used to concede that blacks and other perpetually behind groups bore some responsibility for their fate. There used to be a real effort to try to mitigate their ways, show them better ways to do things.

    Progressives though didn't want to lower standards or compromise institutional quality. Now every vice and abhorrent behavior must be acknowledged and accepted if the offenders are a favored minority.

    The NYT mag has a long story this weekend about white southern areas forming independent districts or municipalities. This has been denounced as racism and of course race is at issue but not once does the author ask the whites why they're doing this, what they're trying to avoid? Yes they're trying to avoid blacks but why? That question is never asked because in the halls of High Liberalism the answer is known, racism.

    That question can never be asked. Even allowing the question to be formulated in the mind is a thought crime for liberals.

    White people want to avoid black people because they are hateful racists.

    White people are suspicious of Jewish motivations and power because they are anti-semitic.

    White people do not want massive immigration into their countries from Mexico because they hate Mexicans because they are Mexicans.

    White people do not want massive migration of Islamic people to the West because they are intolerant of Islam and its peaceful ways.

    For a liberal the only answer to any question regarding discrimination of various groups of people is racism.

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  95. nebulafox says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Steve

    Off Topic but did anybody see just how bad the attendance was for the Rams Vs Colts game was on Sunday.

    I am sure the NFL was hoping for much better when the schedule came out, with a Luck vs Goff match hype potential in the offer.

    If the neighborhood around the LA Coliseum still that bad these days like it was during the height of the Crack Wars.

    But it looks like fans are abandoning the NFL for a number of reasons nationwide.

    Good be a worthwhile open thread.

    Yeah, when I was at the gym this morning, I saw some of the highlights. Some of them definitely look emptier. San Francisco’s stadium had a really poor showing in particular.

    On the other hand, FedEx Field, Ford Field, Lambeau Field and AT&T Stadium, aka “Jerryworld”, seemed to be as full as ever, from my brief glimpses of them. So it probably also depends on the city. It’ll be interesting to see which teams can keep going in the future. The loyalty of a fan base not necessarily based upon how good the team is: just look at Cleveland.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    From what I read about the 49ers game, it was 91 degrees at kickoff and half the stadium gets no shade. It started out mostly full and fans filtered out early due to a combination of the heat and the 49ers poor performance.
  96. @Art Deco
    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman

    https://www.insidehighered.com/users/susan-odoherty

    are rendered emotionally upset at the thought of holding 'the disadvantaged' to impersonal performance standards. How did so many terminally foolish people ever get so much influence?

    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman …

    Art, this is very well stated, thank you.

    But why are you pointing this–insignificant and mediocre–woman? Educrat PhDs are some of the least dynamic, least creative people on the planet, “just following orders” types who are cogs in the machine. Some old bag like this has no power–and would never be given power–but that TPTB have created and imposed a “multicultural” and “diversity” ideology that allows some folks like her to exercise their natural passion for being tedious meddling bureaucrats in the ed system. Or to just yap about how to be an more tedious meddling bureaucrat.

    She’s a camp guard–at best–not Eichmann or even Goebbels or even on Goebbels staff.

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    Some old bag like this has no power
     
    There's strength in numbers.
  97. Art Deco says:
    @Ed
    There were write ups in local papers about Ferguson that noted precipitous home value drops & the emergence of Section 8 renters before Mike Brown. The Ferguson school district was rated the 2nd worst in the state. This was no suburban idyll it was stressed already.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/sunday-review/why-are-our-schools-still-segregated.html

    Crime rate exceeded national norms: http://www.city-data.com/city/Ferguson-Missouri.html

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/blame-poverty-age-for-weak-north-county-home-market/article_95c998e5-bb87-5bc0-9054-83e801b357ac.html

    The homicide rate of a municipality with Ferguson’s population bounces around some from year to year. You see the median over the period from 2002-13 was 4.8 per 100,000. That’s below the national mean for that time period. For rape, the median was 28 per 100,000, below the national mean; for robbery, 211 per 100,000, about 1.5x the national mean; for assault, 217 per 100,000, about 25% below the national mean. They had high rates of auto theft (the median about 2.2x national means) and burglary (about 1.7x national means).

    Ferguson wasn’t tony. Most people do not live in places which are.

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    Ferguson's statistics on crime rates are probably artificially depressed because many of the crimes its residents commit happen in St. Louis.
    , @Mr. Anon

    The homicide rate of a municipality with Ferguson’s population bounces around some from year to year. You see the median over the period from 2002-13 was 4.8 per 100,000. That’s below the national mean for that time period.
     
    All the way up to 2013? Gosh, what happened in 2014 in Ferguson? Nothing of note, I'm sure.

    The murder rate in Ferguson in 2014 was 9.5 per 100,000. In 2015, 23 per 100,000.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/28/fergusons-violent-crime-rate-skyrockets-in-aftermath-of-brown-shooting/
  98. Art Deco says:
    @Lot
    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black. At that point, due to whites being older and sometimes using cheap catholic schools, the local public school hits 50% black and the neighborhood tips away to the point even WWC with limited budgets won't stay if they have kids.

    I have morbidly looked at census data for a lot of them. The transition from 2% to 25% black takes many decades. From 25% to 75% black can happen in just 15 years. If it is a physically spaced out suburb immune to street crime because there is little street life, there is then a new equalibrium around that point as the remaining elderly whites + city employees who send their kids to private schools + white welfare/disability cases largely stay put.

    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black.

    Ferguson had been majority black since about 1998. It was about 2/3 black in 2013. I think they passed the 30% black threshold some time prior to 1990.

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    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black.
     
    Ferguson had been majority black since about 1998. It was about 2/3 black in 2013. I think they passed the 30% black threshold some time prior to 1990.
     
    Art, I'm not sure if you guys are really in disagreement or not. I think Lot is mostly talking about racial tipping, but then with the assumption that the trend after blackening will be negative--which is always true, though how far it leads ... depends.

    You seem to be noting that Ferguson was not a slum anyd that there are plenty of black householders living in owner occupied housing in lots of reasonably stable black neighborhoods. I'm not sure if you're denying Lot's trend lines or not.

    ~~
    From the Wiki:
    Ferguson was still 75-25 white at the 1990 census. So no, not at 30% yet, but getting close.
    Ferguson was 67-29 in 2010. So Ferguson's flipping wasn't as fast as his speediest "can flip in 15 years", but pretty close to being there in 20.

    One thing here is that although the liberal Jewish establishment--the NYT--chose to "make an example" of those evil flyover country gentiles in Ferguson, these sorts of Michael Brown like incidents do have their impact inevitably even in suburbs not held up for a public beating. It could be a police shooting like Michael Brown, and the black reaction and perhaps some de-policing making whites realize that they aren't even going to get the public protection against increasing black crime that they expect. It could be a hideous rape or a grusome rape-murder. It could be a particularly bad spat of burglaries, that has everyone--without means--spending money on bars and alarms. It could be just rising car theft, where the whites realize they can't have their car parked on the street or even in their garage. And might well have only one spot in the garage.

    Even without the establishment/NYT's mau-mauing Lot is certainly right that the trend line in these suburbs tends to be ... down. Helping out crappy dysfunctional relatives--giving them a place to stay. (Ex. Trayvon Martin's dad's girlfriend putting him up during his school suspension.) And the really cancerous Section 8. All tend to drive out all but the most house-poor retired whites and drag majority black suburbs down.
  99. @Lot
    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black. At that point, due to whites being older and sometimes using cheap catholic schools, the local public school hits 50% black and the neighborhood tips away to the point even WWC with limited budgets won't stay if they have kids.

    I have morbidly looked at census data for a lot of them. The transition from 2% to 25% black takes many decades. From 25% to 75% black can happen in just 15 years. If it is a physically spaced out suburb immune to street crime because there is little street life, there is then a new equalibrium around that point as the remaining elderly whites + city employees who send their kids to private schools + white welfare/disability cases largely stay put.

    Lot, this is an extremely good comment. Above even you usual good stuff. Good observation of sociological process and reasonable estimates on the numbers.

    ~~
    A couple thoughts:

    1) Art Deco is probably right that there are some number of at least reasonably semi-stable black middleclass suburbs. It would depend on all sorts of geographic and sociological factors–housing stock, natural boundaries (easier to defend neighborhoods with natural boundaries), the quantity of middle class blacks in a metro area, etc. etc.

    But of course, the factors that people have noted
    –> Almost all blacks who aren’t completely multi-generation, talent-tenth, paper-bag test passers, will have some pretty crappy relatives.
    –> Section 8 is a cancer spreader designed mostly to destabilize WWC neighborhoods and rain destruction down upon them … but even more prone to do the same to BWC/”householder” neighborhoods.

    I don’t think Ferguson was as stable as Art was suggesting. My impression was Section 8 was dutifully doing its duty, bringing in the garbage and running the joint down. But I haven’t investigated and don’t know.

    2) Your comment really nails the core sociological problem in the US.
    Essentially:

    Blacks are so bad–specifically in sociopathic behavior/criminality–that it simply doesn’t take very many of them for whites and everyone else to want to flee. Which is why you really can *not* have integration. Even just at their national proportion–14%–blacks create enough extra dysfunction/disorder/crime, that everyone else would just as soon get away.

    This fundamental fact is why all schemes of “integration” inevitably generate conflict and fail, and why entirely normal behavior from non-blacks, must/will endlessly be denounced as “racism”.

    I think blacks are about 3x or 4x where integration could work. I think if they were say 4x less violent–so only twice as violent as whites–the tipping wouldn’t come fast enough to cause trouble. Or if the were say 4x less numerous–4% of the nation–a lot of communities could tolerate running up to that 4%, tolerating the increased crime in the neighborhood and stupidity/acting-out in the schools and grin and bear it. But a 15% does of people who are 8x just worse is too much. Inevitably normal people flee from it.

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    This is recognized and tolerated by allowing income based segregation in cities. Without it, they would become all black and then become Detroit.

    It is also why Chicago was saved by replacement of fleeing whites and blacks by Mexicans. Chicago Homicide victims are 5-10% white, 15% Mexican, and 80% Black. There is a residual homicide rate which includes murder/suicides, love gone bad, and shit happens. The sudden increase is a black thing. The problem is that homicide is the gold standard and leading indicator of social pathology and there is a lot of knock on chaos that does impact Whites.

    Diversity = Good is another way of saying Blacks are bad. We had Negro problems for decades before I heard the word 'Diversity'.

    , @Desiderius

    there are some number of at least reasonably semi-stable black middleclass suburbs
     
    I live in one.

    The key ingredient seems to be a critical mass of confident white Catholics who've been here for generations and aren't going anywhere. Good immunity to SJW bullshit - maybe that's why rich Ds are going after Catholics so hard these days.
    , @Ed
    I suppose if you lower the bar enough black municipalities can pass some sort of decency threshold. PG County, MD for example maintains an excellent bond rating while boasting the 2nd worst school district in the state. A state that contains impoverished counties in Appalachia and on the Eastern Shore.

    Oh and blacks are more than 5x as violent as Hispanics who are about twice as violent as non-Hispanic whites.

    , @Lot
    Thanks. The point about the nice black family, or often spinster aunt working for the local government, bringing in bad relatives is something my little suburban street suffered from growing up. They also use auntie's address when little Treyvon gets expelled from his home district to enroll him in the suburban district.

    I have no good solution to black dysfunction other than soft eugenic policies to leave our children with less of a problem than our generation. End section 8, subsidize low wage work with the savings so black men can find jobs and set better examples, as well as not sit idle and cause problems, and stop low skill immigration that takes thise jobs in theie place. And please Mr Trump, end TPS and the flood of Haitians, Sudanese and Somalis who benefit from the program.
  100. inertial says:

    Police should rename gangs into youth basketball teams. Then 64% black will be a-okay.

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  101. @Art Deco
    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black.

    Ferguson had been majority black since about 1998. It was about 2/3 black in 2013. I think they passed the 30% black threshold some time prior to 1990.

    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black.

    Ferguson had been majority black since about 1998. It was about 2/3 black in 2013. I think they passed the 30% black threshold some time prior to 1990.

    Art, I’m not sure if you guys are really in disagreement or not. I think Lot is mostly talking about racial tipping, but then with the assumption that the trend after blackening will be negative–which is always true, though how far it leads … depends.

    You seem to be noting that Ferguson was not a slum anyd that there are plenty of black householders living in owner occupied housing in lots of reasonably stable black neighborhoods. I’m not sure if you’re denying Lot’s trend lines or not.

    ~~
    From the Wiki:
    Ferguson was still 75-25 white at the 1990 census. So no, not at 30% yet, but getting close.
    Ferguson was 67-29 in 2010. So Ferguson’s flipping wasn’t as fast as his speediest “can flip in 15 years”, but pretty close to being there in 20.

    One thing here is that although the liberal Jewish establishment–the NYT–chose to “make an example” of those evil flyover country gentiles in Ferguson, these sorts of Michael Brown like incidents do have their impact inevitably even in suburbs not held up for a public beating. It could be a police shooting like Michael Brown, and the black reaction and perhaps some de-policing making whites realize that they aren’t even going to get the public protection against increasing black crime that they expect. It could be a hideous rape or a grusome rape-murder. It could be a particularly bad spat of burglaries, that has everyone–without means–spending money on bars and alarms. It could be just rising car theft, where the whites realize they can’t have their car parked on the street or even in their garage. And might well have only one spot in the garage.

    Even without the establishment/NYT’s mau-mauing Lot is certainly right that the trend line in these suburbs tends to be … down. Helping out crappy dysfunctional relatives–giving them a place to stay. (Ex. Trayvon Martin’s dad’s girlfriend putting him up during his school suspension.) And the really cancerous Section 8. All tend to drive out all but the most house-poor retired whites and drag majority black suburbs down.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    BTW, where the heck is Trump on Section 8?

    This is way behind the immigration issue, but Section 8 is a gun the liberal establishment--politicians, activists, academics--have aimed at the white working class. Trump could at least act like he cares about his base by either getting rid of it completely, or cancelling any new Section 8 vouchers or letting communities have a public vote to opt out. (Public votes are always good.)

    Trump could even do a little class waring and give the opt out only to middle class communities below say the 95% income threshold--Section 8 for Chappaqua! Or he could link it to how your congressional representative votes. Section 8 only approved in districts where the representative votes for it. If Section 8 scum is coming to your neighborhood ... it's because your congressman voted for it.
  102. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Yes, watching other people play video games (3rd order activity) is deeply pathetic.”

    Actually, it’s completely understandable. It’s only mystifying to 45 – 60 year old Boomers and Gen-Xer’s who, as children, lived in a racially homogeneous society where they could go outside and play with people who looked like themselves – a society those same geezers worked hard to destroy for everyone else. Live streaming video games is very much an implicitly white phenomenon. It’s one of the few activities left that provide for some semblance of social interaction among one’s in-group without uncomfortable racial undertones or the threat of ethnic conflict.

    “Your suggestion–essentially “bring back gym class”, but a big gym class–is spot on.”

    It’s a pretty dumb idea in reality. Gym class is a waste of time and a great way to start fights in any multicultural district. The only people who think “bringing back gym class” is a good idea are Boomers and Gen-Xer’s who graduated high school before George Bush’s father was elected president.

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    • Replies: @AM

    Gym class is a waste of time and a great way to start fights in any multicultural district. The only people who think “bringing back gym class” is a good idea are Boomers and Gen-Xer’s who graduated high school before George Bush’s father was elected president.
     
    My white's son's worst experiences in our interracial high school were in the one gym class he was forced to take.
    , @Lurker
    What gets me is kids of my acquaintance who own the game in question, could play it multiplayer with siblings/friends or play it online but still sit there watching someone else playing it on YT.

    (I could understand watching for tips and suchlike)
  103. Abe says: • Website
    @TipTipTopKek
    Several dynamics are at work there.

    First, when a negro gets thrown out of a party for being disrespectful, their reactions sometimes include coming back to the scene after having retrieved a firearm (and possibly several accomplices with firearms). Generally speaking, if you have a verbal altercation with a black and he leaves the scene, do not assume the interaction is over; instead, assume he is coming back strapped. A cute little wannabe vet tech in College Station got shot in one of these cases, the negro was making a scene at a "beer pong" party and got thrown out, he came back with a Glock and emptied 17 rounds at random through the back door of the house.

    Second, negroes love to throw illegal parties and charge admission for them. They make movies about this (House Party and various sequels). They steal supplies from their employers to do this (the staff at most nursing homes in the South are black and stealing food for cookouts etc. is common). The pool party in McKinney is an example of this. The party phenomenon is much more common with them than with any other minority and is pretty much unheard of among Whites. There's no such thing as an "invitation list" as these parties are usually advertised on social media and entrance fees are charged.

    Third, when there is a gang beef and members of one gang are known to be in attendance at such a party, the other gang may show up to settle things.

    Hope that helps.

    BTW the recent Plano thing seems to be a result of a divorce rape in progress.

    Several dynamics are at work there.

    First, when a negro gets thrown out of a party for being disrespectful, their reactions sometimes include coming back to the scene after having retrieved a firearm

    There was a Paul Kersey article I read a couple weeks ago about a BABY SHOWER being shot up after some big black ol’ gang family mama wasn’t offered the courtesy of being given her own seat. I’m sure cucks would still cream themselves on account of this over-the-hill Garika Barnes showing up to church in her ‘crown’, though.

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  104. @AnotherDad


    These midwestern lower middle class suburbs rarely stay that way once they get to be 30% black.
     
    Ferguson had been majority black since about 1998. It was about 2/3 black in 2013. I think they passed the 30% black threshold some time prior to 1990.
     
    Art, I'm not sure if you guys are really in disagreement or not. I think Lot is mostly talking about racial tipping, but then with the assumption that the trend after blackening will be negative--which is always true, though how far it leads ... depends.

    You seem to be noting that Ferguson was not a slum anyd that there are plenty of black householders living in owner occupied housing in lots of reasonably stable black neighborhoods. I'm not sure if you're denying Lot's trend lines or not.

    ~~
    From the Wiki:
    Ferguson was still 75-25 white at the 1990 census. So no, not at 30% yet, but getting close.
    Ferguson was 67-29 in 2010. So Ferguson's flipping wasn't as fast as his speediest "can flip in 15 years", but pretty close to being there in 20.

    One thing here is that although the liberal Jewish establishment--the NYT--chose to "make an example" of those evil flyover country gentiles in Ferguson, these sorts of Michael Brown like incidents do have their impact inevitably even in suburbs not held up for a public beating. It could be a police shooting like Michael Brown, and the black reaction and perhaps some de-policing making whites realize that they aren't even going to get the public protection against increasing black crime that they expect. It could be a hideous rape or a grusome rape-murder. It could be a particularly bad spat of burglaries, that has everyone--without means--spending money on bars and alarms. It could be just rising car theft, where the whites realize they can't have their car parked on the street or even in their garage. And might well have only one spot in the garage.

    Even without the establishment/NYT's mau-mauing Lot is certainly right that the trend line in these suburbs tends to be ... down. Helping out crappy dysfunctional relatives--giving them a place to stay. (Ex. Trayvon Martin's dad's girlfriend putting him up during his school suspension.) And the really cancerous Section 8. All tend to drive out all but the most house-poor retired whites and drag majority black suburbs down.

    BTW, where the heck is Trump on Section 8?

    This is way behind the immigration issue, but Section 8 is a gun the liberal establishment–politicians, activists, academics–have aimed at the white working class. Trump could at least act like he cares about his base by either getting rid of it completely, or cancelling any new Section 8 vouchers or letting communities have a public vote to opt out. (Public votes are always good.)

    Trump could even do a little class waring and give the opt out only to middle class communities below say the 95% income threshold–Section 8 for Chappaqua! Or he could link it to how your congressional representative votes. Section 8 only approved in districts where the representative votes for it. If Section 8 scum is coming to your neighborhood … it’s because your congressman voted for it.

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  105. @kihowi
    To me the most startling thing about growing older is realizing my gut instinct when I was young was spot-on about everything.

    For decades I was told by everybody whose opinion was remotely respectable that arresting gang members didn't work. It was best to let them go about their business until we figured out who the head muckitymuck was and then arrest him and only him. Besides, just going around arresting as many criminals as possible had the whiff of fascism about it.

    I remember that line of reasoning feeling...off. It sounded like an excuse to not do anything. The best way to fight gangs seemed to me to make the life of every person in them as difficult as possible.

    And of course I was right. But there are too many people who have emotionally taken the side of criminals and have developed an ecosystem of fallacies for their defense that takes a lifetime to see through.

    Prediction: Portland will be first in line to order an ED-209 in 10 years.

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  106. @Art Deco
    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman

    https://www.insidehighered.com/users/susan-odoherty

    are rendered emotionally upset at the thought of holding 'the disadvantaged' to impersonal performance standards. How did so many terminally foolish people ever get so much influence?

    What gets you about the liberal mentality

    It’s not just the liberal mentality.

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  107. DFH says:
    @AnotherDad

    What happens when “diversity” meets “whitopia”:
     
    Good one Jack. But "whitopia"? Don't want to get Yan Shen cranked up. We need to coin a new word "whitasiopia" or something. "Inclusion".

    Denis Kearney fought for the right of white men on the West Coast to be free of his kind

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  108. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Steve

    Off Topic but did anybody see just how bad the attendance was for the Rams Vs Colts game was on Sunday.

    I am sure the NFL was hoping for much better when the schedule came out, with a Luck vs Goff match hype potential in the offer.

    If the neighborhood around the LA Coliseum still that bad these days like it was during the height of the Crack Wars.

    But it looks like fans are abandoning the NFL for a number of reasons nationwide.

    Good be a worthwhile open thread.

    But it looks like fans are abandoning the NFL for a number of reasons nationwide.

    NFL? Those guys still around?

    Seriously, couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of folks.

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  109. @Lot
    It is sad and pathetic that boys now would rather watch others live stream playing a video game than playing themselves.

    Don’t you enjoy catching a round or two of Jordan Speith?

    Excellence is always interesting, especially excellence one no longer has the time to achieve oneself.

    A good mix of participation and spectating is healthy.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    I don't like watching sports that much, but would much rather watch a basketball or football game than someone punching buttons on a PC. I just do not think you can equate a computer game with athletic achievement. For one thing, the first makes you pale and fat, the second makes you vigorous and healthy. And I say this against my own interest as someone who was good at video games and mediocre at real sports.
  110. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad
    Lot, this is an extremely good comment. Above even you usual good stuff. Good observation of sociological process and reasonable estimates on the numbers.

    ~~
    A couple thoughts:

    1) Art Deco is probably right that there are some number of at least reasonably semi-stable black middleclass suburbs. It would depend on all sorts of geographic and sociological factors--housing stock, natural boundaries (easier to defend neighborhoods with natural boundaries), the quantity of middle class blacks in a metro area, etc. etc.

    But of course, the factors that people have noted
    --> Almost all blacks who aren't completely multi-generation, talent-tenth, paper-bag test passers, will have some pretty crappy relatives.
    --> Section 8 is a cancer spreader designed mostly to destabilize WWC neighborhoods and rain destruction down upon them ... but even more prone to do the same to BWC/"householder" neighborhoods.

    I don't think Ferguson was as stable as Art was suggesting. My impression was Section 8 was dutifully doing its duty, bringing in the garbage and running the joint down. But I haven't investigated and don't know.

    2) Your comment really nails the core sociological problem in the US.
    Essentially:

    Blacks are so bad--specifically in sociopathic behavior/criminality--that it simply doesn't take very many of them for whites and everyone else to want to flee. Which is why you really can *not* have integration. Even just at their national proportion--14%--blacks create enough extra dysfunction/disorder/crime, that everyone else would just as soon get away.

    This fundamental fact is why all schemes of "integration" inevitably generate conflict and fail, and why entirely normal behavior from non-blacks, must/will endlessly be denounced as "racism".


    I think blacks are about 3x or 4x where integration could work. I think if they were say 4x less violent--so only twice as violent as whites--the tipping wouldn't come fast enough to cause trouble. Or if the were say 4x less numerous--4% of the nation--a lot of communities could tolerate running up to that 4%, tolerating the increased crime in the neighborhood and stupidity/acting-out in the schools and grin and bear it. But a 15% does of people who are 8x just worse is too much. Inevitably normal people flee from it.

    This is recognized and tolerated by allowing income based segregation in cities. Without it, they would become all black and then become Detroit.

    It is also why Chicago was saved by replacement of fleeing whites and blacks by Mexicans. Chicago Homicide victims are 5-10% white, 15% Mexican, and 80% Black. There is a residual homicide rate which includes murder/suicides, love gone bad, and shit happens. The sudden increase is a black thing. The problem is that homicide is the gold standard and leading indicator of social pathology and there is a lot of knock on chaos that does impact Whites.

    Diversity = Good is another way of saying Blacks are bad. We had Negro problems for decades before I heard the word ‘Diversity’.

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  111. @AnotherDad
    Lot, this is an extremely good comment. Above even you usual good stuff. Good observation of sociological process and reasonable estimates on the numbers.

    ~~
    A couple thoughts:

    1) Art Deco is probably right that there are some number of at least reasonably semi-stable black middleclass suburbs. It would depend on all sorts of geographic and sociological factors--housing stock, natural boundaries (easier to defend neighborhoods with natural boundaries), the quantity of middle class blacks in a metro area, etc. etc.

    But of course, the factors that people have noted
    --> Almost all blacks who aren't completely multi-generation, talent-tenth, paper-bag test passers, will have some pretty crappy relatives.
    --> Section 8 is a cancer spreader designed mostly to destabilize WWC neighborhoods and rain destruction down upon them ... but even more prone to do the same to BWC/"householder" neighborhoods.

    I don't think Ferguson was as stable as Art was suggesting. My impression was Section 8 was dutifully doing its duty, bringing in the garbage and running the joint down. But I haven't investigated and don't know.

    2) Your comment really nails the core sociological problem in the US.
    Essentially:

    Blacks are so bad--specifically in sociopathic behavior/criminality--that it simply doesn't take very many of them for whites and everyone else to want to flee. Which is why you really can *not* have integration. Even just at their national proportion--14%--blacks create enough extra dysfunction/disorder/crime, that everyone else would just as soon get away.

    This fundamental fact is why all schemes of "integration" inevitably generate conflict and fail, and why entirely normal behavior from non-blacks, must/will endlessly be denounced as "racism".


    I think blacks are about 3x or 4x where integration could work. I think if they were say 4x less violent--so only twice as violent as whites--the tipping wouldn't come fast enough to cause trouble. Or if the were say 4x less numerous--4% of the nation--a lot of communities could tolerate running up to that 4%, tolerating the increased crime in the neighborhood and stupidity/acting-out in the schools and grin and bear it. But a 15% does of people who are 8x just worse is too much. Inevitably normal people flee from it.

    there are some number of at least reasonably semi-stable black middleclass suburbs

    I live in one.

    The key ingredient seems to be a critical mass of confident white Catholics who’ve been here for generations and aren’t going anywhere. Good immunity to SJW bullshit – maybe that’s why rich Ds are going after Catholics so hard these days.

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    Just so. In the 70s, it took judicial fiat and heavy law enforcement to "integrate" the Italian North End and the Irish Southie and Charlestown in Boston.

    Thirty years later, all three have been heavily gentrified and are basically as white as they were back in the day.
  112. @AnotherDad

    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman ...
     
    Art, this is very well stated, thank you.

    But why are you pointing this--insignificant and mediocre--woman? Educrat PhDs are some of the least dynamic, least creative people on the planet, "just following orders" types who are cogs in the machine. Some old bag like this has no power--and would never be given power--but that TPTB have created and imposed a "multicultural" and "diversity" ideology that allows some folks like her to exercise their natural passion for being tedious meddling bureaucrats in the ed system. Or to just yap about how to be an more tedious meddling bureaucrat.

    She's a camp guard--at best--not Eichmann or even Goebbels or even on Goebbels staff.

    Some old bag like this has no power

    There’s strength in numbers.

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  113. AM says:
    @Anon
    "Yes, watching other people play video games (3rd order activity) is deeply pathetic."

    Actually, it's completely understandable. It's only mystifying to 45 - 60 year old Boomers and Gen-Xer's who, as children, lived in a racially homogeneous society where they could go outside and play with people who looked like themselves - a society those same geezers worked hard to destroy for everyone else. Live streaming video games is very much an implicitly white phenomenon. It's one of the few activities left that provide for some semblance of social interaction among one's in-group without uncomfortable racial undertones or the threat of ethnic conflict.

    "Your suggestion–essentially “bring back gym class”, but a big gym class–is spot on."

    It's a pretty dumb idea in reality. Gym class is a waste of time and a great way to start fights in any multicultural district. The only people who think "bringing back gym class" is a good idea are Boomers and Gen-Xer's who graduated high school before George Bush's father was elected president.

    Gym class is a waste of time and a great way to start fights in any multicultural district. The only people who think “bringing back gym class” is a good idea are Boomers and Gen-Xer’s who graduated high school before George Bush’s father was elected president.

    My white’s son’s worst experiences in our interracial high school were in the one gym class he was forced to take.

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  114. Sajmon says:
    @TipTipTopKek
    Several dynamics are at work there.

    First, when a negro gets thrown out of a party for being disrespectful, their reactions sometimes include coming back to the scene after having retrieved a firearm (and possibly several accomplices with firearms). Generally speaking, if you have a verbal altercation with a black and he leaves the scene, do not assume the interaction is over; instead, assume he is coming back strapped. A cute little wannabe vet tech in College Station got shot in one of these cases, the negro was making a scene at a "beer pong" party and got thrown out, he came back with a Glock and emptied 17 rounds at random through the back door of the house.

    Second, negroes love to throw illegal parties and charge admission for them. They make movies about this (House Party and various sequels). They steal supplies from their employers to do this (the staff at most nursing homes in the South are black and stealing food for cookouts etc. is common). The pool party in McKinney is an example of this. The party phenomenon is much more common with them than with any other minority and is pretty much unheard of among Whites. There's no such thing as an "invitation list" as these parties are usually advertised on social media and entrance fees are charged.

    Third, when there is a gang beef and members of one gang are known to be in attendance at such a party, the other gang may show up to settle things.

    Hope that helps.

    BTW the recent Plano thing seems to be a result of a divorce rape in progress.

    “Hope that helps.”

    Suspect: Spencer Hight, 32, white man, no criminal record, worked as an analyst for HCL Technologies, a software company.

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  115. Thirdeye says:
    @AnotherDad

    (she cites “unwanted party guests” as a classic cause of homicides).
     
    Plano? Or perhaps that was just "poor choice of party guest"?

    Plano was a white thing.

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  116. @Anon
    We need a term for disappearing facts or data to flatter or protect a certain favored/preferred/sacralized group.

    Tipp-Exing?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipp-Ex

    We also need a term for switching words/terms to overlook an 'inconvenient' fact.

    Like calling black criminals or thugs 'teens' or 'youths'... or calling Hollywood elites 'whites'.

    We also need a term for switching words/terms to overlook an ‘inconvenient’ fact. Like calling black criminals or thugs ‘teens’ or ‘youths’… or calling Hollywood elites ‘whites’.

    The former’s a youthemism, the latter a jewphemism.

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    "The former’s a youthemism, the latter a jewphemism."

    No, it's a Yoofemism.

    Oh, wait....
  117. EdwardM says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Eventually, such RICO tactics could be used to intimidate and shut-down right-wing political groups. And they probably will be.

    Agreed. It’s been tried. I suppose going after street gangs is not too far away from the original intent of RICO, but whenever police and prosecutors are crowing about “this great tool,” it makes me nervous.

    Obviously little sympathy for gang-bangers here, but prosecuting guilt-by-association will inevitably threaten the liberty of innocent people.

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  118. Ivy says:
    @Desiderius
    Hollywood's latest...

    she cites “unwanted party guests” as a classic cause of homicides
     
    Wedding Crashers II: Shit About to Get Real in Here

    Disorganized Crime
     
    Mediocrefellas

    Funny!

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  119. a reader says:
    @Off The Street
    OT WWT

    English trends coming to America.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-rapist-in-a-womens-prison-society-has-lost-the-plot/20310

    Winston Churchill once again may provide inspiration for us all.

    Now this is not the end. This is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning
     
    .

    Not the least surprising; the brainwashing starts in kindergarten.

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  120. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Right, because making more golf courses will provide more access to more people in the South Side.

    Golf is black folks’ favorite sports.

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  121. Kaz says:
    @Lot
    My early 80s cohort had much higher T levels than kids today. We physical fought for the game controller between rounds of a game. Watching was for losers or younger kids. The idea of having a computer to yourself and staring at a video of someone else playing is so offensive.

    Of course we also rarely played for more than 30-40 minutes at a time. 2.5 hours maybe the day Mom brought home a brand new game, or a 4 hour binge on the day after Christmas when we got a new game and a new console.

    The fact we now have video game teams, tournaments, sponsors, people paying admission to watch video game competitions, and full time professional players is also disgusting and decadent.

    Since kids do not seem to voluntarily engage in physical activity anymore, a mandatory two hour a day gym class seems appropriate for public schools.

    How is valuing athletes that just throw/hit a stupid ball around any better? It’s not like most fans of those are healthy people judging by obesity statistics..

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    That is not a bad point. I have never liked watching sports, but sport fandom is so omnipresent i just accept it as part of human nature.
  122. Barnard says:
    @nebulafox
    Yeah, when I was at the gym this morning, I saw some of the highlights. Some of them definitely look emptier. San Francisco's stadium had a really poor showing in particular.

    On the other hand, FedEx Field, Ford Field, Lambeau Field and AT&T Stadium, aka "Jerryworld", seemed to be as full as ever, from my brief glimpses of them. So it probably also depends on the city. It'll be interesting to see which teams can keep going in the future. The loyalty of a fan base not necessarily based upon how good the team is: just look at Cleveland.

    From what I read about the 49ers game, it was 91 degrees at kickoff and half the stadium gets no shade. It started out mostly full and fans filtered out early due to a combination of the heat and the 49ers poor performance.

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  123. MarcB. says:
    @bomag

    served as lifelong barriers for those who have shunned the gang lifestyle and tried to get jobs
     
    I've find that a bit apocryphal. In my experience, many small business owners have a SJW streak, and will make it a point of pride to hire an ex-con. But the businessmen also have a sense of who really wants to reform, and who still gets a thrill from the edginess of the crime world.

    You can get a similar vicarious tingle by hiring police officers and military personnel taking early retirement.

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  124. boomstick says:

    Portland can go after the antifa gang members and use that to clean up their statistics for going after regular gang members.

    https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/mondays-hot-mic-23/entry-213557/comments/

    Seven arrested antifa the other day, all white. They should easily be able to drive up those numbers.

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  125. Ed says:
    @AnotherDad
    Lot, this is an extremely good comment. Above even you usual good stuff. Good observation of sociological process and reasonable estimates on the numbers.

    ~~
    A couple thoughts:

    1) Art Deco is probably right that there are some number of at least reasonably semi-stable black middleclass suburbs. It would depend on all sorts of geographic and sociological factors--housing stock, natural boundaries (easier to defend neighborhoods with natural boundaries), the quantity of middle class blacks in a metro area, etc. etc.

    But of course, the factors that people have noted
    --> Almost all blacks who aren't completely multi-generation, talent-tenth, paper-bag test passers, will have some pretty crappy relatives.
    --> Section 8 is a cancer spreader designed mostly to destabilize WWC neighborhoods and rain destruction down upon them ... but even more prone to do the same to BWC/"householder" neighborhoods.

    I don't think Ferguson was as stable as Art was suggesting. My impression was Section 8 was dutifully doing its duty, bringing in the garbage and running the joint down. But I haven't investigated and don't know.

    2) Your comment really nails the core sociological problem in the US.
    Essentially:

    Blacks are so bad--specifically in sociopathic behavior/criminality--that it simply doesn't take very many of them for whites and everyone else to want to flee. Which is why you really can *not* have integration. Even just at their national proportion--14%--blacks create enough extra dysfunction/disorder/crime, that everyone else would just as soon get away.

    This fundamental fact is why all schemes of "integration" inevitably generate conflict and fail, and why entirely normal behavior from non-blacks, must/will endlessly be denounced as "racism".


    I think blacks are about 3x or 4x where integration could work. I think if they were say 4x less violent--so only twice as violent as whites--the tipping wouldn't come fast enough to cause trouble. Or if the were say 4x less numerous--4% of the nation--a lot of communities could tolerate running up to that 4%, tolerating the increased crime in the neighborhood and stupidity/acting-out in the schools and grin and bear it. But a 15% does of people who are 8x just worse is too much. Inevitably normal people flee from it.

    I suppose if you lower the bar enough black municipalities can pass some sort of decency threshold. PG County, MD for example maintains an excellent bond rating while boasting the 2nd worst school district in the state. A state that contains impoverished counties in Appalachia and on the Eastern Shore.

    Oh and blacks are more than 5x as violent as Hispanics who are about twice as violent as non-Hispanic whites.

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  126. Ed says:
    @Barnard
    The Rams are claiming a paid attendance of 60,128, which in addition to obviously not being the number of people who showed up, is almost 30,000 below capacity. It looks like everyone else beat that easily, with the worst percentages otherwise belonging to the Bengals and Redskins in the mid 80s.

    Chargers crowds are expected to be even worse. Some of this is going to be unique to L.A., there was a lot of criticism during the push to bring a team back to L.A. that fans would turn out for the games. I'm sure the NFL thinks the problem will be solved once the new stadium is built, but I wouldn't bet on it. Given the time and expense involved, plus how much better the viewing experience is at home, it amazes me so many still go to NFL games.


    http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance

    NFL stadiums are not good places to watch the game. I can’t imagine LA’s stadium being much of a destination. Did the NFL take into account the demographic changes since the last time there were teams in LA?

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    The idea is for the stadium to be the center of an entertainment district. The stadium will also host the Summer Olympics and other events like World Cup soccer, etc. The cost is double what Jerry Jones spent to build the Cowboys stadium, L.A. fans won't be nearly as loyal as Cowboys fans are.

    http://www.ocregister.com/2017/08/11/take-a-look-inside-l-a-s-new-nfl-stadium-future-home-of-the-rams-and-chargers/
  127. @Charles Pewitt
    The White ruling class of Portland, Oregon might feel that they can be more lenient towards Blacks in regards to law enforcement because the percentage of Blacks in Portland is low, for now. I wonder what the regular White people of Portland think about having the ruling class of Portland be so tolerant towards Black criminal misbehaviour and gang formation. I would imagine some of the more pragmatic Whites would have a sense of foreboding regarding the publicized lessening of measures designed to keep Black criminality in check.

    Portland, Maine to Portland, Oregon -- the New England settlement of the upper portion of the United States makes me wonder about East Anglia. The East Anglian type in the United States always comes up with solutions to problems that don't make any sense. Black crime is a problem, and the East Anglian Portlanders suggest sweeping Black gang membership and Black gang formation under the rug. Seems like East Anglian madness. The only thing that can defeat the East Anglian types in the United States is neo-Normanism.

    Night Dogs, by Kent Anderson, is one of the most realistic takes on policing.

    It takes place in Portland during the 70s. Seems like history repeats, yadda yadda.

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  128. Barnard says:
    @Ed
    NFL stadiums are not good places to watch the game. I can't imagine LA's stadium being much of a destination. Did the NFL take into account the demographic changes since the last time there were teams in LA?

    The idea is for the stadium to be the center of an entertainment district. The stadium will also host the Summer Olympics and other events like World Cup soccer, etc. The cost is double what Jerry Jones spent to build the Cowboys stadium, L.A. fans won’t be nearly as loyal as Cowboys fans are.

    http://www.ocregister.com/2017/08/11/take-a-look-inside-l-a-s-new-nfl-stadium-future-home-of-the-rams-and-chargers/

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  129. CCZ says:

    The next frontier in the racial disparity “debate,” feminists versus blacks.

    The Question of Race in Campus Sexual-Assault Cases
    Is the system biased against men of color?

    The archetypal image of the campus rapist is a rich, white fraternity athlete. The case of Brock Turner—the freshman swimmer at Stanford University convicted last year of sexually assaulting an unconscious woman after meeting her at a party, but sentenced to only six months in jail—reinforced this. Petula Dvorak, a Washington Post columnist, wrote, “The brilliant smile of a Stanford swimmer with Olympic dreams, the happy privileged face of a white college kid named Brock Turner … This is what a campus sexual predator looks like.”

    Amy Ziering, the producer of The Hunting Ground, a 2015 campus-sexual-assault documentary, has said much the same thing. In a radio interview, she asserted that her movie exposed “privileged” well-off white men and challenged “dominant white male power.” But a close viewing of her film reveals a different reality. Her movie tells at length the stories of four allegations. In at least three of the cases, the accused is black.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-question-of-race-in-campus-sexual-assault-cases/539361/

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  130. @Autochthon
    Units of the national guard from Kentucky, Puerto Rico, and New York earlier were sent in by the department of state to airlift American citizens out of Saint Maarten; apparently the Americans were calling for help from their hotels where they were sheltering in place from the marauders. It's a shame the government of the Netherlands and France cannot get their shit together enough to control things, but then, considering how effectivley their navies defend Europe from African invasions, I expect their militaries were driving the marauders around in troop transports and otherwise lending a humanitarian helping hand, no?

    Reminds one of New Orleans superdome after Katrina

    Plus ca change……

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  131. Abe says: • Website
    @Lot
    My early 80s cohort had much higher T levels than kids today. We physical fought for the game controller between rounds of a game. Watching was for losers or younger kids. The idea of having a computer to yourself and staring at a video of someone else playing is so offensive.

    Of course we also rarely played for more than 30-40 minutes at a time. 2.5 hours maybe the day Mom brought home a brand new game, or a 4 hour binge on the day after Christmas when we got a new game and a new console.

    The fact we now have video game teams, tournaments, sponsors, people paying admission to watch video game competitions, and full time professional players is also disgusting and decadent.

    Since kids do not seem to voluntarily engage in physical activity anymore, a mandatory two hour a day gym class seems appropriate for public schools.

    The idea of having a computer to yourself and staring at a video of someone else playing is so offensive.

    I caught my son doing it the other day and had the same reaction- meta-lameness. However, with the amount of hours I (and a lot of other parents) work it is not possible to keep him off the TV/tablet all the time, and- yes- he’s already enrolled in a sport.

    However, this is not a new phenomenon. Going back to Tolkien (and surely well before) there is always metacommentary in the story about how much more fun it is to READ about an adventure than actually live through one. Our FOREVER WAR FOR THE 0TH AMENDMENT has already produced more heart-stopping, edge-of-your-seat moments than the producers of YOUNG INDIANA JONES could ever dream of (plus even if you’re not special forces material you could still enroll in the Army and maybe get to see the insides of an attack helicopter- i.e. become the closest thing there is in real-life to a dragonrider), but of course that runs the risk of crashing, maiming yourself, or (worse) being taken prisoner and winding up in an ISIS cage. As exciting a conclusion as anything ever shown on HBO, but not surprising most people chose to stick to watching GAME OF THRONES for their weekly dose of ultra-violence.

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    I felt the same way seeing my nephew watching PewDiePie. My maid's son does the same thing. I am happy both that you have kid(s) and have them in actual sports.
  132. ogunsiron says:
    @KM32
    OT, but I'm in Chile at the moment, and can't believe how many more Haitians there are than just a year ago. They're all over in the center of Santiago, often slouching around, doing nothing, but also selling goods on the street along with many others. I was with some friends, who told me to be careful any time some Haitians came around, not to have my phone in hand, etc..

    When I offered that maybe Chile should start thinking about tightening up their immigration policy, they behaved just like Americans or Europeans. Yes, the immigration is causing a lot of problems, but no, we don't want to be racist about it.

    It has taken the country decades to claw its way up to near first world status. Why not stick with what is working?

    How did they make it there ?

    Are these haitians who used to be in the Dominican Republic then heard about Chile ?
    The only black chilean I ever heard of is a footballer of haitian origin whose family (I’m guessing haitian educated middle class diaspora) got there a long time ago (1980s or so).

    Bottom of the barrel haitians making it all the way to Chile doesn’t sound like something that happened spontaneously.

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    There are a lot of immigrants to Santiago these days, as it's relatively easy to move here. Some are Colombians, who have a bad reputation in every country I've been to, and others are Venezuelans, sometimes professionals, fleeing that particular sinking ship.

    But the Haitians . . . they don't speak Spanish, and they seem to be becoming an underclass almost overnight, at least here in the capital. It's not like Latin American countries don't have their own underclass already.

    Just last year I was thinking that Chile would be a good place to be if there were ever a serious collapse. Great climate, lots of resources, not particularly overcrowded, and far away from the chaos that could easily envelop other parts of the world.

    Perhaps I was wrong.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Soros Travel Agency.
  133. ogunsiron says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/apurposefulwife/status/907216779667279872

    That idiot David Lammy in the UK is already working on something similar.

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  134. anon says: • Disclaimer

    It would be very useful to track gangs to attempt to reduce retaliation homicides. And set some boundaries for tolerable behavior.

    Plus, policing that uses ‘hot lists’ like the Chicago Strategic Subject List use gang affiliation as a criterion among several.

    I don’t know if being a card carrying gang member is essential or even the most efficient way to target bad guys. I predict we will cycle back to more imprisonment — because it works. However, Mass Incarceration 2 – The Sequel — will be much more targeted.

    Enforcing handgun laws in black neighborhoods is very efficient. For example. It isn’t that there is any shortage of laws and associated stiff sentences. And if they are imprisoned, it won’t be like they are innocent victims of the war on drugs — which was always absurd. Obama had a very difficult time finding ‘innocent’ or harmless over sentenced blacks to pardon.

    Broken windows is a compelling concept. But it a bit too indiscriminate. And now we live in an era of big data. If Portlandia only has 500 card carrying gang members, it is extremely lucky. Given the attitude expressed by the change, they will likely pursue stupidity. However, it isn’t really necessary to go this route. Not to mention, targeting the most likely murderers is saving black lives. Even though I’m unredeemably racist, this isn’t something that can be solved by blacks killing themselves off.

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    Police say the gang reports aren’t necessary because “new processes and technologies” allow officers to investigate crimes without the need to identify people as members of a gang.
     
    I tend to believe them.

    Maybe a criminal record is enough without knowing that someone is both a criminal and a gang member. One of them is redundant.

    Insurance companies prefer to use FICO scores in lieu of race. I suspect it is better as far as identifying risk.
  135. Lurker says:
    @Anon
    "Yes, watching other people play video games (3rd order activity) is deeply pathetic."

    Actually, it's completely understandable. It's only mystifying to 45 - 60 year old Boomers and Gen-Xer's who, as children, lived in a racially homogeneous society where they could go outside and play with people who looked like themselves - a society those same geezers worked hard to destroy for everyone else. Live streaming video games is very much an implicitly white phenomenon. It's one of the few activities left that provide for some semblance of social interaction among one's in-group without uncomfortable racial undertones or the threat of ethnic conflict.

    "Your suggestion–essentially “bring back gym class”, but a big gym class–is spot on."

    It's a pretty dumb idea in reality. Gym class is a waste of time and a great way to start fights in any multicultural district. The only people who think "bringing back gym class" is a good idea are Boomers and Gen-Xer's who graduated high school before George Bush's father was elected president.

    What gets me is kids of my acquaintance who own the game in question, could play it multiplayer with siblings/friends or play it online but still sit there watching someone else playing it on YT.

    (I could understand watching for tips and suchlike)

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  136. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    It would be very useful to track gangs to attempt to reduce retaliation homicides. And set some boundaries for tolerable behavior.

    Plus, policing that uses 'hot lists' like the Chicago Strategic Subject List use gang affiliation as a criterion among several.

    I don't know if being a card carrying gang member is essential or even the most efficient way to target bad guys. I predict we will cycle back to more imprisonment -- because it works. However, Mass Incarceration 2 - The Sequel -- will be much more targeted.

    Enforcing handgun laws in black neighborhoods is very efficient. For example. It isn't that there is any shortage of laws and associated stiff sentences. And if they are imprisoned, it won't be like they are innocent victims of the war on drugs -- which was always absurd. Obama had a very difficult time finding 'innocent' or harmless over sentenced blacks to pardon.

    Broken windows is a compelling concept. But it a bit too indiscriminate. And now we live in an era of big data. If Portlandia only has 500 card carrying gang members, it is extremely lucky. Given the attitude expressed by the change, they will likely pursue stupidity. However, it isn't really necessary to go this route. Not to mention, targeting the most likely murderers is saving black lives. Even though I'm unredeemably racist, this isn't something that can be solved by blacks killing themselves off.

    Police say the gang reports aren’t necessary because “new processes and technologies” allow officers to investigate crimes without the need to identify people as members of a gang.

    I tend to believe them.

    Maybe a criminal record is enough without knowing that someone is both a criminal and a gang member. One of them is redundant.

    Insurance companies prefer to use FICO scores in lieu of race. I suspect it is better as far as identifying risk.

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    Insurance companies prefer are required by law to use FICO scores in lieu of race.
     
    FTFY. It would be interesting to compare the predictive power of FICO score and race together compared to FICO score or race alone.

    Someone needs to find a good way to repurpose the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil monkeys to represent behavior like this Portland situation.
  137. snorlax says:
    @Art Deco
    The homicide rate of a municipality with Ferguson's population bounces around some from year to year. You see the median over the period from 2002-13 was 4.8 per 100,000. That's below the national mean for that time period. For rape, the median was 28 per 100,000, below the national mean; for robbery, 211 per 100,000, about 1.5x the national mean; for assault, 217 per 100,000, about 25% below the national mean. They had high rates of auto theft (the median about 2.2x national means) and burglary (about 1.7x national means).

    Ferguson wasn't tony. Most people do not live in places which are.

    Ferguson’s statistics on crime rates are probably artificially depressed because many of the crimes its residents commit happen in St. Louis.

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    Ferguson’s statistics on crime rates are probably artificially depressed because many of the crimes its residents commit happen in St. Louis.
     
    That's a good point, but as it doesn't issue forth from a Google search, it does not exist in the universe that Art inhabits
  138. KM32 says:
    @ogunsiron
    How did they make it there ?

    Are these haitians who used to be in the Dominican Republic then heard about Chile ?
    The only black chilean I ever heard of is a footballer of haitian origin whose family (I'm guessing haitian educated middle class diaspora) got there a long time ago (1980s or so).

    Bottom of the barrel haitians making it all the way to Chile doesn't sound like something that happened spontaneously.

    There are a lot of immigrants to Santiago these days, as it’s relatively easy to move here. Some are Colombians, who have a bad reputation in every country I’ve been to, and others are Venezuelans, sometimes professionals, fleeing that particular sinking ship.

    But the Haitians . . . they don’t speak Spanish, and they seem to be becoming an underclass almost overnight, at least here in the capital. It’s not like Latin American countries don’t have their own underclass already.

    Just last year I was thinking that Chile would be a good place to be if there were ever a serious collapse. Great climate, lots of resources, not particularly overcrowded, and far away from the chaos that could easily envelop other parts of the world.

    Perhaps I was wrong.

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    "There are a lot of immigrants to Santiago these days, as it’s relatively easy to move here. Some are Colombians, who have a bad reputation in every country I’ve been to, and others are Venezuelans, sometimes professionals, fleeing that particular sinking ship."

    Colombians are not a problem in the United States. Most seem reasonably decent.
  139. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    It was you who was assuring everyone (i.e. – hectoring everyone) that there was nothing wrong with Ferguson.

    Ferguson in 2013 was a wage-earner's suburb. It was filled with owner-occupied housing (for the most part) and did not have notably elevated crime rates. There are suburbs like this all over the country. It was atypical in one respect: it had a black majority. All over the country, there are about 40 million heads of households who are wage-earners prosperous enough and disciplined enough to qualify for a mortgage. You have 140,000 black heads of household in greater St. Louis. It doesn't require a great imaginative leap to figure there might be 5,000 among them who could afford to buy a suburban house in Ferguson and live in it more or less like any other resident of a mildly impecunious suburb, but it's an imaginative leap that defeats you so thoroughly that (over a period of 3 years) you've had to give everyone here a demonstration of obstinate stupidity at odd intervals. Again, I cannot help you with your issues.

    You apparently said a bunch of stuff there. I don’t know what it was; I didn’t read it and I don’t care. Nothing you write is of any import.

    When I want to know about the Dewey-Decimal system, then I’ll ask you a question.

    Again, I cannot help you with your issues.

    You cannot help anyone with anything, other than perhaps an inter-library loan request.

    Idiot.

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  140. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    The homicide rate of a municipality with Ferguson's population bounces around some from year to year. You see the median over the period from 2002-13 was 4.8 per 100,000. That's below the national mean for that time period. For rape, the median was 28 per 100,000, below the national mean; for robbery, 211 per 100,000, about 1.5x the national mean; for assault, 217 per 100,000, about 25% below the national mean. They had high rates of auto theft (the median about 2.2x national means) and burglary (about 1.7x national means).

    Ferguson wasn't tony. Most people do not live in places which are.

    The homicide rate of a municipality with Ferguson’s population bounces around some from year to year. You see the median over the period from 2002-13 was 4.8 per 100,000. That’s below the national mean for that time period.

    All the way up to 2013? Gosh, what happened in 2014 in Ferguson? Nothing of note, I’m sure.

    The murder rate in Ferguson in 2014 was 9.5 per 100,000. In 2015, 23 per 100,000.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/28/fergusons-violent-crime-rate-skyrockets-in-aftermath-of-brown-shooting/

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  141. Mr. Anon says:
    @snorlax
    Ferguson's statistics on crime rates are probably artificially depressed because many of the crimes its residents commit happen in St. Louis.

    Ferguson’s statistics on crime rates are probably artificially depressed because many of the crimes its residents commit happen in St. Louis.

    That’s a good point, but as it doesn’t issue forth from a Google search, it does not exist in the universe that Art inhabits

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  142. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad
    Lot, this is an extremely good comment. Above even you usual good stuff. Good observation of sociological process and reasonable estimates on the numbers.

    ~~
    A couple thoughts:

    1) Art Deco is probably right that there are some number of at least reasonably semi-stable black middleclass suburbs. It would depend on all sorts of geographic and sociological factors--housing stock, natural boundaries (easier to defend neighborhoods with natural boundaries), the quantity of middle class blacks in a metro area, etc. etc.

    But of course, the factors that people have noted
    --> Almost all blacks who aren't completely multi-generation, talent-tenth, paper-bag test passers, will have some pretty crappy relatives.
    --> Section 8 is a cancer spreader designed mostly to destabilize WWC neighborhoods and rain destruction down upon them ... but even more prone to do the same to BWC/"householder" neighborhoods.

    I don't think Ferguson was as stable as Art was suggesting. My impression was Section 8 was dutifully doing its duty, bringing in the garbage and running the joint down. But I haven't investigated and don't know.

    2) Your comment really nails the core sociological problem in the US.
    Essentially:

    Blacks are so bad--specifically in sociopathic behavior/criminality--that it simply doesn't take very many of them for whites and everyone else to want to flee. Which is why you really can *not* have integration. Even just at their national proportion--14%--blacks create enough extra dysfunction/disorder/crime, that everyone else would just as soon get away.

    This fundamental fact is why all schemes of "integration" inevitably generate conflict and fail, and why entirely normal behavior from non-blacks, must/will endlessly be denounced as "racism".


    I think blacks are about 3x or 4x where integration could work. I think if they were say 4x less violent--so only twice as violent as whites--the tipping wouldn't come fast enough to cause trouble. Or if the were say 4x less numerous--4% of the nation--a lot of communities could tolerate running up to that 4%, tolerating the increased crime in the neighborhood and stupidity/acting-out in the schools and grin and bear it. But a 15% does of people who are 8x just worse is too much. Inevitably normal people flee from it.

    Thanks. The point about the nice black family, or often spinster aunt working for the local government, bringing in bad relatives is something my little suburban street suffered from growing up. They also use auntie’s address when little Treyvon gets expelled from his home district to enroll him in the suburban district.

    I have no good solution to black dysfunction other than soft eugenic policies to leave our children with less of a problem than our generation. End section 8, subsidize low wage work with the savings so black men can find jobs and set better examples, as well as not sit idle and cause problems, and stop low skill immigration that takes thise jobs in theie place. And please Mr Trump, end TPS and the flood of Haitians, Sudanese and Somalis who benefit from the program.

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  143. prosa123 says: • Website
    @KM32
    There are a lot of immigrants to Santiago these days, as it's relatively easy to move here. Some are Colombians, who have a bad reputation in every country I've been to, and others are Venezuelans, sometimes professionals, fleeing that particular sinking ship.

    But the Haitians . . . they don't speak Spanish, and they seem to be becoming an underclass almost overnight, at least here in the capital. It's not like Latin American countries don't have their own underclass already.

    Just last year I was thinking that Chile would be a good place to be if there were ever a serious collapse. Great climate, lots of resources, not particularly overcrowded, and far away from the chaos that could easily envelop other parts of the world.

    Perhaps I was wrong.

    “There are a lot of immigrants to Santiago these days, as it’s relatively easy to move here. Some are Colombians, who have a bad reputation in every country I’ve been to, and others are Venezuelans, sometimes professionals, fleeing that particular sinking ship.”

    Colombians are not a problem in the United States. Most seem reasonably decent.

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    Agreed, despite bias.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Send more Sofia Vergara!
    , @KM32
    They're coming from different demographics. "Colombians" in Ecuador, Peru, and Chile are . . . well, here's something about Colombian gangs in Chile. You don't have to understand Spanish to see the obvious.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r55av7WDfAc

  144. Lot says:
    @Kaz
    How is valuing athletes that just throw/hit a stupid ball around any better? It's not like most fans of those are healthy people judging by obesity statistics..

    That is not a bad point. I have never liked watching sports, but sport fandom is so omnipresent i just accept it as part of human nature.

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  145. Lot says:
    @Abe

    The idea of having a computer to yourself and staring at a video of someone else playing is so offensive.
     
    I caught my son doing it the other day and had the same reaction- meta-lameness. However, with the amount of hours I (and a lot of other parents) work it is not possible to keep him off the TV/tablet all the time, and- yes- he's already enrolled in a sport.

    However, this is not a new phenomenon. Going back to Tolkien (and surely well before) there is always metacommentary in the story about how much more fun it is to READ about an adventure than actually live through one. Our FOREVER WAR FOR THE 0TH AMENDMENT has already produced more heart-stopping, edge-of-your-seat moments than the producers of YOUNG INDIANA JONES could ever dream of (plus even if you're not special forces material you could still enroll in the Army and maybe get to see the insides of an attack helicopter- i.e. become the closest thing there is in real-life to a dragonrider), but of course that runs the risk of crashing, maiming yourself, or (worse) being taken prisoner and winding up in an ISIS cage. As exciting a conclusion as anything ever shown on HBO, but not surprising most people chose to stick to watching GAME OF THRONES for their weekly dose of ultra-violence.

    I felt the same way seeing my nephew watching PewDiePie. My maid’s son does the same thing. I am happy both that you have kid(s) and have them in actual sports.

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    The appeal of PewDiePie is simply unbridled masculine exuberance in the face of omnipresent matriarchal castration that a lot of these kids experience every day in school etc... I don't watch him but I could imagine doing so as a kid if my childhood wasn't so unbridled already.

    If you grew up in the 70s it's pretty hard to relate to the restrictiveness kids today go through.
  146. Lot says:
    @Desiderius
    Don't you enjoy catching a round or two of Jordan Speith?

    Excellence is always interesting, especially excellence one no longer has the time to achieve oneself.

    A good mix of participation and spectating is healthy.

    I don’t like watching sports that much, but would much rather watch a basketball or football game than someone punching buttons on a PC. I just do not think you can equate a computer game with athletic achievement. For one thing, the first makes you pale and fat, the second makes you vigorous and healthy. And I say this against my own interest as someone who was good at video games and mediocre at real sports.

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    I don’t like watching sports that much, but would much rather watch a basketball or football game than someone punching buttons on a PC.
     
    And Jordan Spieth chases a ball around a field.

    The usual progtard obtuseness convinces no one. Yeah, I know you're not a progtard - don't act like one.

    A well-played and narrated game of Civilization or chess or bridge or poker or what have you is an interesting watch.

    I just do not think you can equate a computer game with athletic achievement.
     
    The common thread is achievement. It's similar to watching Jacques Pepin cook. Excellence is in itself pleasing, and one also learns from it which is also pleasing. Yes, yes, of course get our noses out of those books/games/sports, but a balance between the active and reflective life is best.
    , @SteveRogers42
    We all know what's coming down the pike. A serious background in contact sports/martial arts/strength training will be extremely valuable in the future. Playing little beep-beep games on your IPhag -- not so much. Do your sons a favor, and get them involved year-round in pale male pursuits like rugby, wrestling, lacrosse, swimming, or judo/BJJ. An occasional trip to the shooting range wouldn't hurt, either.
  147. Lot says:
    @KM32
    OT, but I'm in Chile at the moment, and can't believe how many more Haitians there are than just a year ago. They're all over in the center of Santiago, often slouching around, doing nothing, but also selling goods on the street along with many others. I was with some friends, who told me to be careful any time some Haitians came around, not to have my phone in hand, etc..

    When I offered that maybe Chile should start thinking about tightening up their immigration policy, they behaved just like Americans or Europeans. Yes, the immigration is causing a lot of problems, but no, we don't want to be racist about it.

    It has taken the country decades to claw its way up to near first world status. Why not stick with what is working?

    The number of Africans you see in Tijuana/Rosarito has gone from 0.00% only 3 years ago to maybe 0.75%. No, there are not scads of them, but it makes you feel unsafe given the lack of and low quality of Mexican police generally. 100% of the ones I’ve seen have been men under 40.

    Mexico may be high crime, but there is virtually no random street crime during the day in average areas. Mexico itself has very few of the shaved head tatted up cholos you sometimes see in the USA.

    The reason the Africans are there is they are waiting their turn to cross over to San Diego, file a BS asylum application, then be sent on their way with a pat on the head and an asylum hearing date they will never show up for. This started happening about 2 years ago and Obama’s people decided to tell the African migrants to take a number and let in a few dozen each day. As far as I know, Trump has not changed it. As in the USA, the local churches encourage the problem.

    Baja has had a few Chinese for a long time. They seem to average about 5’2″, maybe very short Chinese go there so they are not towered over as much as if they went to the USA.

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    that sounds like a very small number of africans.
    The only kind of ssa i can think of who can wreak severe havoc even in very very small numbers are south-sudanese.
  148. @prosa123
    "There are a lot of immigrants to Santiago these days, as it’s relatively easy to move here. Some are Colombians, who have a bad reputation in every country I’ve been to, and others are Venezuelans, sometimes professionals, fleeing that particular sinking ship."

    Colombians are not a problem in the United States. Most seem reasonably decent.

    Agreed, despite bias.

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  149. @KM32
    OT, but I'm in Chile at the moment, and can't believe how many more Haitians there are than just a year ago. They're all over in the center of Santiago, often slouching around, doing nothing, but also selling goods on the street along with many others. I was with some friends, who told me to be careful any time some Haitians came around, not to have my phone in hand, etc..

    When I offered that maybe Chile should start thinking about tightening up their immigration policy, they behaved just like Americans or Europeans. Yes, the immigration is causing a lot of problems, but no, we don't want to be racist about it.

    It has taken the country decades to claw its way up to near first world status. Why not stick with what is working?

    Interesting. “Piss right off!” sums up much of the Colombian sentiment regarding their version of Mexico – Venezuela – and its endless invasions by Venezuelans to escape the poopshow Venezuelans have made of their own country even as Colombia is finally getting its guerillas and narcotraficantes reigned in (on that count, Mexico is now what Colombia hasn’t been since the 1980s…).

    Chile is much more developed and whiter than Colombia (Colombia has plenty if whites, too, but far more mestizoids and even Negroes). Is it all perhaps universal?: As any white society achieves industialisation and stability, its people spontaneously begin auto-genocide and self-dispossession, like some insect that invariably dies shortly after mating? What goes on? It’s so consistent it seems downright biochemical at this point. We must isolate eastern Europeans’ genes for resistance. Say, they are more likely to have Oriental admixture, and the Orientals don’t succumb to this plague. That must be the trick….

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  150. res says:
    @anon

    Police say the gang reports aren’t necessary because “new processes and technologies” allow officers to investigate crimes without the need to identify people as members of a gang.
     
    I tend to believe them.

    Maybe a criminal record is enough without knowing that someone is both a criminal and a gang member. One of them is redundant.

    Insurance companies prefer to use FICO scores in lieu of race. I suspect it is better as far as identifying risk.

    Insurance companies prefer are required by law to use FICO scores in lieu of race.

    FTFY. It would be interesting to compare the predictive power of FICO score and race together compared to FICO score or race alone.

    Someone needs to find a good way to repurpose the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil monkeys to represent behavior like this Portland situation.

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    There was a fairly lengthy period between when race was outlawed and FICO's were available. FICO became popular in the mid 80's. Race was outlawed in insurance pricing and underwriting in the 60's and gone by the 70's.

    Credit Scores are used more for underwriting than pricing. The largest personal lines companies have a preferred risk company/legal entity, a standard company, and a 'non standard' company. Each company has their own rates, based on traditional rating factors.

    For personal lines (especially Auto), Territory/Neighborhood captures most of the cost associated with race. Bad credit or other underwriting variables will capture most of the rest.

    Companies have been competing on price for decades and it is unlikely that there is any silver bullet, although it is inevitable that practices will evolve.

    There are companies that specialize in undesirable risks and they can make money. In auto insurance, your worst risks will buy minimum, state mandated liability limits and frequently won't carry physical damage coverage. Mostly because they can't afford it. A driver without physical damage coverage tends to be highly motivated not to get into an at fault accident.

    All the non prime and sub prime specialist auto lenders use proprietary credit metrics. Or at least the ones I have heard of. The specialist companies are usually profitable. When traditional lenders try to grow and enter the market, they will start seeing defaults and then retreat. Here is a deep subprime auto lender's website. https://www.creditacceptance.com . They charge rates at roughly the 20% level, so are priced for a lot of default. Capital One has a lot of expertise in lending to credit challenged customers and do pretty well.

    The police information systems like Compstat identify 'hot spots' which are neighborhoods or corners. Those are going to be in black neighborhoods for obvious reasons. Their various lists of residents with criminal records, outstanding warrants, probationers, etc are going to the flag the usual suspects.

    If you have a gang unit and are refereeing their disputes to reduce retaliation, then you need detailed gang information. If not, maybe not. Chicago put a lot of gang leaders in jail and actually broke a lot of them up. That combined with tearing down the projects led to disorganized, 'micro gangs' that police were unable to deal with. This was specifically listed as a reason for increased problems in some neighborhoods. Dumping the project families in black section 8 neighborhoods did them no favors. The large Mexican gangs (allegedly) communicate with police and benefit from imposing some sort of order in their neighborhoods.
  151. @ogunsiron
    How did they make it there ?

    Are these haitians who used to be in the Dominican Republic then heard about Chile ?
    The only black chilean I ever heard of is a footballer of haitian origin whose family (I'm guessing haitian educated middle class diaspora) got there a long time ago (1980s or so).

    Bottom of the barrel haitians making it all the way to Chile doesn't sound like something that happened spontaneously.

    Soros Travel Agency.

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  152. eah says:
    @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/907171625241649152

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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJiqf6yU8AAhiMd.jpg
  153. @22pp22
    Polynesian gangs are a menace in New Zealand. Per capita, the country has the biggest problem in the world with gangs.

    The big one is the Mongrel Mob. White motorcycle gangs do exist, but they are small in scale.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_New_Zealand#Hells_Angels_MC

    Gang members are brazen. One or two local mayors like the Mayor of Wanganui have tried to ban the public display of gang patches.

    Dealing with the issue is fraught with all the same problems as in the UK or US.

    https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/turia-calls-collins-ignorant

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  154. ogunsiron says:
    @Lot
    The number of Africans you see in Tijuana/Rosarito has gone from 0.00% only 3 years ago to maybe 0.75%. No, there are not scads of them, but it makes you feel unsafe given the lack of and low quality of Mexican police generally. 100% of the ones I've seen have been men under 40.

    Mexico may be high crime, but there is virtually no random street crime during the day in average areas. Mexico itself has very few of the shaved head tatted up cholos you sometimes see in the USA.

    The reason the Africans are there is they are waiting their turn to cross over to San Diego, file a BS asylum application, then be sent on their way with a pat on the head and an asylum hearing date they will never show up for. This started happening about 2 years ago and Obama's people decided to tell the African migrants to take a number and let in a few dozen each day. As far as I know, Trump has not changed it. As in the USA, the local churches encourage the problem.

    Baja has had a few Chinese for a long time. They seem to average about 5'2", maybe very short Chinese go there so they are not towered over as much as if they went to the USA.

    that sounds like a very small number of africans.
    The only kind of ssa i can think of who can wreak severe havoc even in very very small numbers are south-sudanese.

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  155. @Art Deco
    What gets you about the liberal mentality in our time is the willingness to bulldoze everything to engage in unjust, poorly conceived, and poorly executed social work projects. So, neighborhoods have to be hideously insecure and bereft of small-business; primary and secondary schools have to be miserable, disorderly, and ineffectual; tertiary institutions have to be stocked with incompetent students and riven by silly controversies; and the civil service, police and fire departments, the college faculties, and the lower ranks of the bar have to be stuffed with marginal performers all because people like this woman

    https://www.insidehighered.com/users/susan-odoherty

    are rendered emotionally upset at the thought of holding 'the disadvantaged' to impersonal performance standards. How did so many terminally foolish people ever get so much influence?

    That’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

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  156. @Lot
    I felt the same way seeing my nephew watching PewDiePie. My maid's son does the same thing. I am happy both that you have kid(s) and have them in actual sports.

    The appeal of PewDiePie is simply unbridled masculine exuberance in the face of omnipresent matriarchal castration that a lot of these kids experience every day in school etc… I don’t watch him but I could imagine doing so as a kid if my childhood wasn’t so unbridled already.

    If you grew up in the 70s it’s pretty hard to relate to the restrictiveness kids today go through.

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  157. @Steve from Detroit
    I agree with the general sentiment that going after ALL gang members sure seems like a no-brainer and something we should have been doing from the get-go. I would also state that using RICO to prosecute these guys seems like using a bazooka to kill mosquitoes, but I have no problem with it. The simpler solution would be to have police on the streets LOOKING at things. Case in point: I bought a ticket to see the Tigers play the Dodgers about a month ago, and sitting across the aisle from me were eight or so Dodger fans, all Hispanic. The largest one had a shaved head and an MS-13 tattoo (among many others) emblazoned for all to see. When gang members advertise, shouldn't that make it easier for police to catch them? These guys sure don't seem like cryptic, criminal masterminds to me.

    He actually seemed pretty jocular at the game, but I sure would not want to meet him in a dark alley.

    Police administrators do not want ANY confrontation with gangsters or any other type of serious criminals. Not only are these contacts (shudder) “dangerous”, but they will inevitably lead to lawsuits based on use-of-force issues or racial profiling. Street cops know who and where the @$$holes are, but are discouraged from acting by the “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” policy mandated by their superiors. The poor bastard in Ferguson who dared to initiate contact with the Gentle Giant was stocking shelves at a warehouse the last I heard.

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  158. @Lot
    I don't like watching sports that much, but would much rather watch a basketball or football game than someone punching buttons on a PC. I just do not think you can equate a computer game with athletic achievement. For one thing, the first makes you pale and fat, the second makes you vigorous and healthy. And I say this against my own interest as someone who was good at video games and mediocre at real sports.

    I don’t like watching sports that much, but would much rather watch a basketball or football game than someone punching buttons on a PC.

    And Jordan Spieth chases a ball around a field.

    The usual progtard obtuseness convinces no one. Yeah, I know you’re not a progtard – don’t act like one.

    A well-played and narrated game of Civilization or chess or bridge or poker or what have you is an interesting watch.

    I just do not think you can equate a computer game with athletic achievement.

    The common thread is achievement. It’s similar to watching Jacques Pepin cook. Excellence is in itself pleasing, and one also learns from it which is also pleasing. Yes, yes, of course get our noses out of those books/games/sports, but a balance between the active and reflective life is best.

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  159. @Steve from Detroit
    I agree with the general sentiment that going after ALL gang members sure seems like a no-brainer and something we should have been doing from the get-go. I would also state that using RICO to prosecute these guys seems like using a bazooka to kill mosquitoes, but I have no problem with it. The simpler solution would be to have police on the streets LOOKING at things. Case in point: I bought a ticket to see the Tigers play the Dodgers about a month ago, and sitting across the aisle from me were eight or so Dodger fans, all Hispanic. The largest one had a shaved head and an MS-13 tattoo (among many others) emblazoned for all to see. When gang members advertise, shouldn't that make it easier for police to catch them? These guys sure don't seem like cryptic, criminal masterminds to me.

    He actually seemed pretty jocular at the game, but I sure would not want to meet him in a dark alley.

    By the way, here’s a brief vignette from the Motor City. Do you think that locating and identifying the problem element is the issue?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bta1DUegd-o

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  160. Ivy says:
    @Daniel Williams

    If nothing else blacks are always on the hunt for the latest fashions.
     
    I found their work boot craze of a few years ago ironic and hilarious.

    Work boot fad for non-workers had its white analog. Gals bought pants pre-stressed with worn out seats and knees. Older people laughed at how kids would never think of buying clothes, wearing them to a job (!) and letting nature take its course to achieve those sought-after signs of wear. Why work for anything when you can buy it seemed to be the mantra, once again.

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  161. @Cloudbuster
    Or, crazy idea -- end the ruinous War on Drugs and the gangs won't have crazy huge black market profits to incentivize them. The WoD has been going in in various iterations for more than 100 years. It's been less effective than prohibition and just as violent. The U.S. was willing to admit prohibition was a mistake. It needs to do the same thing with drug criminalization.

    Or, crazy idea — we could follow the Duterte method and arrange permanent counseling for all drug dealers.

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  162. @Lot
    My early 80s cohort had much higher T levels than kids today. We physical fought for the game controller between rounds of a game. Watching was for losers or younger kids. The idea of having a computer to yourself and staring at a video of someone else playing is so offensive.

    Of course we also rarely played for more than 30-40 minutes at a time. 2.5 hours maybe the day Mom brought home a brand new game, or a 4 hour binge on the day after Christmas when we got a new game and a new console.

    The fact we now have video game teams, tournaments, sponsors, people paying admission to watch video game competitions, and full time professional players is also disgusting and decadent.

    Since kids do not seem to voluntarily engage in physical activity anymore, a mandatory two hour a day gym class seems appropriate for public schools.
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    The difficulty of the highest levels was wild:

    Students moved through the program based on a color scale: white shorts were for rookies, while red, blue, purple, and gold signaled serious ability. White shorts had to do a minimum of six pull-ups. Today, a Marine can pass a physical doing only three. Most boys, Orchard says, got to at least red. Getting to blue was a big deal; gold athletes were “crazy impressive.” Those who wanted a rare Navy Blue rank had to do 34 pull-ups and carry someone on their back for five miles. Only 19 students in the history of the school ever earned one.
     
    The antithesis of "all must have prizes."
  163. @Muse
    It is all right here:

    It appears that a soldier’s ability to resist is a function of the capacity of his immediate primary group (his squad or section) to avoid social disintegration. When the individual’s immediate group, and its supporting formations, met his basic organic needs, offered him affection and esteem from both officers and comrades, supplied him with a sense of power and adequately regulated his relations with authority, the element of self-concern in battle, which would lead to disruption of the effective functioning of his primary group, was minimized.

    Cohesion and Disintegration in the Wehrmacht in World War II
    EDWARD A. SHILS MORRIS JANOWITZ(1948, p. 281):
     
    If you kill the platoon leader, the next (probably really pissed off) guy in line steps up.

    You have to incapacitate the group. It is like a small ant team, as understood by E.O. Wilson. If the they can't communicate, the group becomes ineffective. Is this really so difficult for the folks in Portland to grok? It is why gangs flourish in prisons when gang members are concentrated together. They form social groups and and do stuff they enjoy. The endorphins they get from risk taking is the strong force that binds them together.

    Jails and prisons are sweet deals for the permanent crime-and-welfare underclass. Structure our “corrections” facilities like Cool Hand Luke, and you’ll tamp down those endorphins a bit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=76&v=8CBqjZX6FjE

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  164. @AnotherDad
    BTW, where the heck is Trump on Section 8?

    This is way behind the immigration issue, but Section 8 is a gun the liberal establishment--politicians, activists, academics--have aimed at the white working class. Trump could at least act like he cares about his base by either getting rid of it completely, or cancelling any new Section 8 vouchers or letting communities have a public vote to opt out. (Public votes are always good.)

    Trump could even do a little class waring and give the opt out only to middle class communities below say the 95% income threshold--Section 8 for Chappaqua! Or he could link it to how your congressional representative votes. Section 8 only approved in districts where the representative votes for it. If Section 8 scum is coming to your neighborhood ... it's because your congressman voted for it.

    Excellent idea!

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  165. @AnotherDad

    But it looks like fans are abandoning the NFL for a number of reasons nationwide.
     
    NFL? Those guys still around?

    Seriously, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.

    Give blood. Play Rugby.

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  166. @Lot
    I don't like watching sports that much, but would much rather watch a basketball or football game than someone punching buttons on a PC. I just do not think you can equate a computer game with athletic achievement. For one thing, the first makes you pale and fat, the second makes you vigorous and healthy. And I say this against my own interest as someone who was good at video games and mediocre at real sports.

    We all know what’s coming down the pike. A serious background in contact sports/martial arts/strength training will be extremely valuable in the future. Playing little beep-beep games on your IPhag — not so much. Do your sons a favor, and get them involved year-round in pale male pursuits like rugby, wrestling, lacrosse, swimming, or judo/BJJ. An occasional trip to the shooting range wouldn’t hurt, either.

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  167. @prosa123
    "There are a lot of immigrants to Santiago these days, as it’s relatively easy to move here. Some are Colombians, who have a bad reputation in every country I’ve been to, and others are Venezuelans, sometimes professionals, fleeing that particular sinking ship."

    Colombians are not a problem in the United States. Most seem reasonably decent.

    Send more Sofia Vergara!

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  168. 22pp22 says:
    @Yak-15
    Gangs... don't you mean "tribes?"

    Anyhow, let Portland reap what it sows. If there is a God he will empower president Trunp to direct all "refugees" taken in by the US to Portland and SF. Please, please let them experience the wonderment of cultural enrichment.

    No, tribes are called iwi and have nothing to do with the gangs.

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  169. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @res

    Insurance companies prefer are required by law to use FICO scores in lieu of race.
     
    FTFY. It would be interesting to compare the predictive power of FICO score and race together compared to FICO score or race alone.

    Someone needs to find a good way to repurpose the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil monkeys to represent behavior like this Portland situation.

    There was a fairly lengthy period between when race was outlawed and FICO’s were available. FICO became popular in the mid 80′s. Race was outlawed in insurance pricing and underwriting in the 60′s and gone by the 70′s.

    Credit Scores are used more for underwriting than pricing. The largest personal lines companies have a preferred risk company/legal entity, a standard company, and a ‘non standard’ company. Each company has their own rates, based on traditional rating factors.

    For personal lines (especially Auto), Territory/Neighborhood captures most of the cost associated with race. Bad credit or other underwriting variables will capture most of the rest.

    Companies have been competing on price for decades and it is unlikely that there is any silver bullet, although it is inevitable that practices will evolve.

    There are companies that specialize in undesirable risks and they can make money. In auto insurance, your worst risks will buy minimum, state mandated liability limits and frequently won’t carry physical damage coverage. Mostly because they can’t afford it. A driver without physical damage coverage tends to be highly motivated not to get into an at fault accident.

    All the non prime and sub prime specialist auto lenders use proprietary credit metrics. Or at least the ones I have heard of. The specialist companies are usually profitable. When traditional lenders try to grow and enter the market, they will start seeing defaults and then retreat. Here is a deep subprime auto lender’s website. https://www.creditacceptance.com . They charge rates at roughly the 20% level, so are priced for a lot of default. Capital One has a lot of expertise in lending to credit challenged customers and do pretty well.

    The police information systems like Compstat identify ‘hot spots’ which are neighborhoods or corners. Those are going to be in black neighborhoods for obvious reasons. Their various lists of residents with criminal records, outstanding warrants, probationers, etc are going to the flag the usual suspects.

    If you have a gang unit and are refereeing their disputes to reduce retaliation, then you need detailed gang information. If not, maybe not. Chicago put a lot of gang leaders in jail and actually broke a lot of them up. That combined with tearing down the projects led to disorganized, ‘micro gangs’ that police were unable to deal with. This was specifically listed as a reason for increased problems in some neighborhoods. Dumping the project families in black section 8 neighborhoods did them no favors. The large Mexican gangs (allegedly) communicate with police and benefit from imposing some sort of order in their neighborhoods.

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  170. dr kill says:
    @eah
    It's a tough job, but everybody's gotta do it.

    https://twitter.com/deplorableish/status/906958363837304834

    Nice.

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  171. @Lurker
    It would seem the problems of black criminality and non-white gangs in general are not the result of the WoD they just happen to be in company with it in the current year. More drugs, less drugs, different drugs or no drugs at all - I suspect we'll still be hearing similar stories of crime.

    +1

    Causation vs. Correlation 101

    While the war for the global rule of law is fought on the racial plane, it is critical to note that racial and cultural intermixing as well as drugs are distinct attack vectors that do produce synergies. Duterte is an example of a statesman that understands this and understands that substance abuse is self-medication and has taken the initiative to prescribe treatment and medicate certain self-medicators.

    Medical Mary Jane legalization is not the same thing as legalizing opioids, cocaine, meth., etc. Broad narcotic legalization would be trading the drug gang problem for something along the lines of a non-economic and purely violence driven gang a la the Normans and Vikings. By non-economic I merely mean the culture-sustaining business model would shift to full-time piracy and violence.

    The gangs are surely a problem, but the more dangerous criminals are the treasonous progressive missionaries and their apostasy. Both criminal elements should be addressed to restore the rule of law.

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  172. res says:
    @SteveRogers42
    Case in point:

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/62991/1960s-high-school-gym-class-would-ruin-you

    The difficulty of the highest levels was wild:

    Students moved through the program based on a color scale: white shorts were for rookies, while red, blue, purple, and gold signaled serious ability. White shorts had to do a minimum of six pull-ups. Today, a Marine can pass a physical doing only three. Most boys, Orchard says, got to at least red. Getting to blue was a big deal; gold athletes were “crazy impressive.” Those who wanted a rare Navy Blue rank had to do 34 pull-ups and carry someone on their back for five miles. Only 19 students in the history of the school ever earned one.

    The antithesis of “all must have prizes.”

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  173. @Catdog
    Steve, it would make my week if you would make a post about the Pewdiepie kerfuffle.

    It could be that Steve has never heard of Pewdiepie. I hadn’t heard of him either until I heard about him on another blog.

    I’ve even started watching some videos myself. (Not ones where they play video games, but ones where they do political commentary).

    All of them, including the excellent Sargon of Akkad, appear to have some gaming background. Warning: he won’t be satisfactory to some Steve readers because he doesn’t seem to know anything about HBD. But he sure does a good job, aside from that.

    These guys (yes, mostly male) are younger than my children.

    I doubt that Steve plays video games (correct me if I’m wrong). They just didn’t exist until he was already an adult.

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  174. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    It was you who was assuring everyone (i.e. – hectoring everyone) that there was nothing wrong with Ferguson.

    Ferguson in 2013 was a wage-earner's suburb. It was filled with owner-occupied housing (for the most part) and did not have notably elevated crime rates. There are suburbs like this all over the country. It was atypical in one respect: it had a black majority. All over the country, there are about 40 million heads of households who are wage-earners prosperous enough and disciplined enough to qualify for a mortgage. You have 140,000 black heads of household in greater St. Louis. It doesn't require a great imaginative leap to figure there might be 5,000 among them who could afford to buy a suburban house in Ferguson and live in it more or less like any other resident of a mildly impecunious suburb, but it's an imaginative leap that defeats you so thoroughly that (over a period of 3 years) you've had to give everyone here a demonstration of obstinate stupidity at odd intervals. Again, I cannot help you with your issues.

    I guess you said things there. I wouldn’t know, as I didn’t read it. There is no point in reading the drivel you post. When I want an opinion on the Dewey-Decimal System, I’ll ask you a question.

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  175. eah says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJegMGbXcAAIlR2.jpg

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  176. KM32 says:
    @prosa123
    "There are a lot of immigrants to Santiago these days, as it’s relatively easy to move here. Some are Colombians, who have a bad reputation in every country I’ve been to, and others are Venezuelans, sometimes professionals, fleeing that particular sinking ship."

    Colombians are not a problem in the United States. Most seem reasonably decent.

    They’re coming from different demographics. “Colombians” in Ecuador, Peru, and Chile are . . . well, here’s something about Colombian gangs in Chile. You don’t have to understand Spanish to see the obvious.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r55av7WDfAc

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  177. eah says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJiqf6yU8AAhiMd.jpg

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    The data is perhaps not 100% reliable -- but migrant criminality is unquestionable hugely disproportionate.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJlxguKXoAAIzNn.jpg
  178. @Anon
    We need a term for disappearing facts or data to flatter or protect a certain favored/preferred/sacralized group.

    Tipp-Exing?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipp-Ex

    We also need a term for switching words/terms to overlook an 'inconvenient' fact.

    Like calling black criminals or thugs 'teens' or 'youths'... or calling Hollywood elites 'whites'.

    “We need a term for disappearing facts or data to flatter or protect a certain favored/preferred/sacralized group.”

    Hidden figures.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “We need a term for disappearing facts or data to flatter or protect a certain favored/preferred/sacralized group.”

    Hidden figures.
     
    Very good.
  179. @Daniel Williams

    We also need a term for switching words/terms to overlook an ‘inconvenient’ fact. Like calling black criminals or thugs ‘teens’ or ‘youths’… or calling Hollywood elites ‘whites’.
     
    The former's a youthemism, the latter a jewphemism.

    “The former’s a youthemism, the latter a jewphemism.”

    No, it’s a Yoofemism.

    Oh, wait….

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  180. This is yet another victory for BLM in the City of Roses, along with appointing a bug-eyed female hexadeciroon as chief of police.

    Portland gets Whiter literally by the hour, so it must atone by virtue-signaling that much HARDER.

    Next up, renaming all historic streets after Black Power saints:

    Burnside Street becomes Trayvon Boulevard.
    Couch Street becomes Michael Brown Street.
    Powell Blvd becomes Malcolm X Expressway.

    You get the idea.

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    Couch Street could go either way: site of old brothel (cooch), or memorial to skid-row layabouts (sofa). Think of the historic memorials and opportunities to enrich Portland youths with their vibrant past. Now, people ask, where is that grant application? Revisionist or invented history is ever-changing.
  181. @anony-mouse
    Why is everyone here complaining? Isn't the self-destruction of Portland a good thing?

    “Why is everyone here complaining? Isn’t the self-destruction of Portland a good thing?”

    Meaningless, irregardless blather.

    Economics are forcing gangbangers to self-deport to more affordable housing east and south of Portland. Wealthy Whites are invading Portland without mercy, continuously driving rents and property values sky high.

    Portland is behaving like any hot, rapidly expanding corporation that can’t keep up with customer demand: it charges a LOT for its product….. because it can. And if you can’t pay the price, no Portland for you.

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  182. Mr. Anon says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "We need a term for disappearing facts or data to flatter or protect a certain favored/preferred/sacralized group."

    Hidden figures.

    “We need a term for disappearing facts or data to flatter or protect a certain favored/preferred/sacralized group.”

    Hidden figures.

    Very good.

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  183. @Mr. Anon

    “We need a term for disappearing facts or data to flatter or protect a certain favored/preferred/sacralized group.”

    Hidden figures.
     
    Very good.

    Yes.

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  184. Escher says:
    @Randal

    Portland police next month will end their more than 20-year-old practice of designating people as gang members or gang associates in response to strong community concerns about the labels that have disproportionately affected minorities.
     
    A disappointing lack of lateral thinking on the part of Portland's authorities, there. Surely the obvious solution would be to designate organisations like the Boy Scouts etc as gangs for the purpose of the register.

    Basically, whoever happens to be the gang leader at the moment isn’t usually an irreplaceable criminal mastermind.
     
    A key parallel there with the US regime's policy of targeted murder of people believed to be bosses of resistance and terrorist groups.

    Or start a campaign making the Crips and MS13 cool in the eyes of the downtown hipsters.

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  185. Ivy says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    This is yet another victory for BLM in the City of Roses, along with appointing a bug-eyed female hexadeciroon as chief of police.

    Portland gets Whiter literally by the hour, so it must atone by virtue-signaling that much HARDER.

    Next up, renaming all historic streets after Black Power saints:

    Burnside Street becomes Trayvon Boulevard.
    Couch Street becomes Michael Brown Street.
    Powell Blvd becomes Malcolm X Expressway.

    You get the idea.

    Couch Street could go either way: site of old brothel (cooch), or memorial to skid-row layabouts (sofa). Think of the historic memorials and opportunities to enrich Portland youths with their vibrant past. Now, people ask, where is that grant application? Revisionist or invented history is ever-changing.

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  186. eah says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJi9qHbW0AAghzO.jpg

    The data is perhaps not 100% reliable — but migrant criminality is unquestionable hugely disproportionate.

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  187. eah says:
    @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/907171625241649152

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  188. Brutusale says:
    @Desiderius

    there are some number of at least reasonably semi-stable black middleclass suburbs
     
    I live in one.

    The key ingredient seems to be a critical mass of confident white Catholics who've been here for generations and aren't going anywhere. Good immunity to SJW bullshit - maybe that's why rich Ds are going after Catholics so hard these days.

    Just so. In the 70s, it took judicial fiat and heavy law enforcement to “integrate” the Italian North End and the Irish Southie and Charlestown in Boston.

    Thirty years later, all three have been heavily gentrified and are basically as white as they were back in the day.

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