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Luke Lea writes:

As a rhetorical retort, “technically correct” might be a useful way to tag propositions for which there happens to be an abundance of supporting scientific evidence, but which are widely condemned in the media and academia as being politically incorrect. The two statements over which Larry Summers and James Watson lost their jobs, for instance, were TC if not PC.

 
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  1. Another illustration of the proposition:

    Where negroes congregate, crime and social dysfunction ensue.

    • Replies: @Truthsayer
    This: "Where negroes congregate, crime and social dysfunction ensue", is technically INCORRECT.

    I once took a missionary trip through the Lesser Antilles Caribbean Islands as a missionary. They are overwhelmingly majority black and Christian and I never found such hospitable and peaceful people in the US, except maybe some of rural Missiuri, where my relatives are from.

    Blacks before Johnson's Great Society folly, were better behaved in general than whites in some respects.

    While the leftist idiocy is just that, and Walter William's is right in his writing on racial reality, you gotta think deeper than the Left does.
  2. Or one might say they are Factually Correct:

    FC

    Or even Factually Unimpeachable:

    FU

  3. IT: Inconvenient Truth

  4. The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase “technically correct” is often used to imply that something really doesn’t matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man’s increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    If we're going to take back what's left of our civilisation, we're going to have to take back phrases like "technically correct". If the other person thinks you mean "correct, according to an annoying and unimportant technicality" then correct him (or more often, her).

    We can't let a hypothetical retard have a veto over what we say or think. That sort of mass marketing and "age of persuasion" thinking is what got us in this mess in the first place.
    , @Sergeant Prepper

    the phrase “technically correct” is often used to imply that something really doesn’t matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.
     
    Far as I can tell, these folks are not really interested in "underlying, more important truths": they are not interested in whether any given claim is true or false at all, or even whether a statement is meaningful. What matters is that it vaguely sounds like the sort of thing a Good Person would say. If you will, they are bullshitters rather than liars. Liars know that what they say is false; bullshitters do not care one way or the other.
    , @PSR
    Well said. One hopes the day will come when people will look back on this period of time in our country and shake their heads. Will future generations believe there was *a* word that black people could utter casually but white people could be fired or prosecuted for saying? Incredible.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Our culture is losing its grip on reality.

    Rush Limbaugh harps on the idea that the Left considers it a bad thing that the end of the Cold War left America as the sole remaining superpower. Rush thinks it's a great thing, because we're a Beacon of Freedom and a Light Unto the World, etc.

    Unlike Rush, I wonder if the end of the Cold War did in fact have a negative effect, in that it unhinged the American elites, letting them feel free to go crazy. The nuttiness really started picking up steam around that time, but perhaps it's just a coincidence. Also unlike Rush, I find it hard to view my nation as some sort of beacon for mankind these days. As far as our virtues, we're running on fumes, and our cultural rot has infected the entire Western world. Just as China is the chief source of flu viruses, America has become the chief source of sick social trends.

    , @The Alarmist
    The truth will set you free; Liberals, knowing you are off the plantation, will hunt you down and purge you of those impure thoughts.
    , @J.Ross
    This. They have to use weasel words (who we are, systemic racism, privileged) because they're lying. Their lying weasel words work because of external force (professional scripted astroturfers, firing-happy boards), which we cannot apply, and should not have to.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    ...to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.
     
    If Calvin (or his Dutch disciples) was right about the "total depravity of man", then Luther was equally so about reason being "the Devil's plaything". You rarely go wrong betting on Original Sin.

    These people aren't abandoning reason, they are using it for nefarious purposes.
    , @Dr. X
    I think we're in the beginning of a new Dark Age...
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    Correct is correct. Adding "technically" is a technique incorrectly applied by disingenuous twats.
    , @jon

    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase “technically correct” is often used to imply that something really doesn’t matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.
     
    I agree with this. I like the idea of using the rhetorical retort of technically correct vs. politically correct, but I think something like "actually" might work better. I'll leave to the meme lords on here to come up with the best term.
  5. https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201901/are-our-leaders-using-only-half-their-brains

    Neural activity in TPN tends to inhibit activity in the DMN, and vice versa. The TPN is important for problem solving, focusing of attention, making decisions, and control of action. The DMN plays a central role in emotional self-awareness, social cognition, and ethical decision making. It is also strongly linked to creativity and openness to new ideas. Because activation of the TPN tends to suppress activity in the DMN, an over-emphasis on task-oriented leadership may prove deleterious to social and emotional aspects of leadership. Similarly, an overemphasis on the DMN would result in difficulty focusing attention, making decisions, and solving known problems. […] The objective universe is fatalistic in this respect, but the mental one allows freedom, opportunity, and multiple outcomes. In the world of the mind we are literally fancy-free, with infinite powers, possibilities, and potential. But in the world of tangible reality we are prisoners of fate, where physical causality rules and conservation laws dictate that we cannot have it both ways at once.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    Why do the brains on the bottom look like chicken heads?
    , @El Dato
    Very interesting. Paper downloaded. I have even worked with bosses who had switched off both networks at the same time. It was a blast.

    Have a discussion of TILT in return:

    http://wise.nautil.us/feature/447/is-the-world-making-you-sick


    Miller has spent 30 years hammering out a theory to explain the contemporary surge in perplexing, multi-symptom illnesses—from autism to Gulf War Syndrome—which represent a Kuhnian shift in medicine. She calls her theory “TILT,” short for Toxicant Induced Loss of Tolerance.

    TILT posits that a surprising range of today’s most common chronic conditions are linked to daily exposure to very low doses of synthetic chemicals that have been in mass production since World War II. These include organophosphate pesticides, flame-retardants, formaldehyde, benzene, and tens of thousands of other chemicals.
     

    , @Dieter Kief
    Yeah TPN suppresses DMN e vice versa. - Culture is a task, not necessarily a pleasure. Or in slightly different terms: Accomplishments come at a cost - every kind of them.
    , @J.Ross
    Isn't this an inherent function of systems (historically "self-regulated" with churn, up to and including wars), and isn't this brain scan looking closely at an after-effect and not the cause? Any organization that operates begins to become rigid as an effect of operating. When you shake up the organization and bring in new blood, you can restart that clock, but the very people who restarted are now on it too, and eventually they will be the enemies of innovation. The solution isn't something medicinal or procedural because the people who are the problem will be locked into the perception that they're not the problem, you just have to follow Oprah's advice.
  6. I imagine commenters will have some fun with one.

    One technically correct observation: guys sleeping around is unsavory, women sleeping around is absolute devastation to a society.

    Oh no, double standard. Get over it

    And my personal favorite technically correct observation: really atrociously bad drivers are almost never White Males. Seriously, what is with that?

    • Replies: @Dissident

    One technically correct observation: guys sleeping around is unsavory, women sleeping around is absolute devastation to a society.
     
    With who are the "guys sleeping around" then?
    , @DiogenesNYC
    See Steve’s other recent piece about American pilots vs. Third World pilots. They don’t make ‘em like they used to.

    I recall that Heather McDonald has written about a study of racially-disproportionate stops for speeding. Turns out that blacks exceeded speed limits substantially more often than other groups. [ That’s a good example of Technically Correct information. ]
    , @Anonymous
    Unfortunately there are a lot of elderly white guys on the roads nowadays whose driving is often not the best.
  7. It is an interesting dualism, as it reflects the evolution of philosophical thought in the West. Hume’s law, you cannot infer an ought from an is, has become a gulf between fact and value. Falsifiable statements on one side, value judgments on the other.

    The fact that the moralists always win against the empiricists should be a clue to the allegedly sober minded empiricists, but nothing comes of it. Instead, empiricists keep trying to defeat morality with reason, calling into question their alleged rationality.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    The problem us that few empiricists and almost no non-empiricists understand the nature of value judgments. They look for their truth/falsehood everywhere but in facts.
  8. The best kind of correct.

  9. I like this idea a lot. After all, we live in a degenerated technocracy, so calling these people out for being technically incorrect would be politically therapeutic.

  10. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    If we’re going to take back what’s left of our civilisation, we’re going to have to take back phrases like “technically correct”. If the other person thinks you mean “correct, according to an annoying and unimportant technicality” then correct him (or more often, her).

    We can’t let a hypothetical retard have a veto over what we say or think. That sort of mass marketing and “age of persuasion” thinking is what got us in this mess in the first place.

  11. How about “Actually Correct” or AC?

    • Agree: ben tillman, jon, byrresheim
    • Replies: @Luke Lea

    How about “Actually Correct” or AC?
     
    AC doesn't rhyme with PC. TC does.
  12. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Japan has a television program where a faceless first-person steadycam, narrated by a Japanese actor or actress, wanders around a foreign city in a simulated random stroll, occasionally stopping to ask questions or chat with people. It’s very simple, but I’m sure the production is somewhat complex, with an interpreter and local authorities involved.

    Tonight Brussels, Belgium, was the setting. And if this program is to be believed, everyone under 20 in Brussels is non-European. Demographic momentum at work? Wikipedia tells me that there are a lot of Moroccan immigrants in Belgium, and the faces seem to match what I saw, along with many black Congolese. A high school class taking a field trip was encountered, and only the teacher was European.

    I paid attention to the credits, and three government agencies and tourist outfits were thanked. It’s possible that they set it up to be politically correct. They also ran into an Indian guy playing music in the street from 170 countries (the number of countries represented among the population, he explained), and the streadycam also happened by a wedding of a very chunky ink-black black woman with African features and a rather thin handsome young European guy, which cannot be that common, so my suspicions of a set-up by a government agitprop agency were stoked, although it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.
     
    True . . . but these things are never based on one show, one image. It's the countless straws breaking the camel's back. This TV show, that poster, this music video, on and on.
    , @ben tillman

    . . . it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.
     
    How so? That's how are countries have been lost, and that's how Japan can be saved. It seems to me that this program is intended to show the Japanese people the disastrous effects of immigration.
    , @Alden
    I share your suspicions. Reminds me of American TV ADs that exclude Whites expect for pretty blondes married to black men. I’ve noticed that a lot of ADs for old people products show White grandparents with mulatto grandchildren. There’s a diaper AD with a black father diapering the baby while black wife looks on. As if.

    Q. How do you know you’re black?
    A. You’ve never met your father.

    A. How do you know you’re a black man?
    Q. You don’t know how many children you have.
  13. The other side of technically correct is the new Snopes rating of “unproven” for stories that are obviously proven to be false, but that they desperately want to be true. See a good example here on this “did Colonel Sanders steal the recipe for KFC chicken from a black woman.”

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/colonel-sanders-kfc-miss-childress/

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    An intriguing rumor about cultural theft and fried chicken lacks concrete evidence but alludes to a deeper truth
     
    Good grief. I will say that even though its not true, that was quite an innovation - inventing fried chicken. Hopefully Google shoehorns some annoying white dude off their list of Great American Inventors and puts her on instead, right next to the hair straightener lady.
    , @Polynikes
    Snopes and politifact aren't even attempting to be unbiased anymore.
    , @anon
    new Snopes rating of “unproven”

    When did Snopes become Scottish?
  14. Truth over facts. That really does encapsulate things quite well.

  15. This is a great example of the difference in action in two places nearly simultaneously: In Argentina, He’s known as the “Bone Breaker.” Israel granted him citizenship – https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-in-argentina-he-s-known-as-the-bone-breaker-israel-granted-him-citizenship-1.7836600

  16. I’d be more impressed with the likes of Summers and that idiot at Google if they’d had the stones to go after race differences. *That* would’ve required bravery. Instead we get a load of people preening about how brave they are – men and women are different! Who’d have thunk? – while going full SJW on racial matters.

    It damages its own cause, not least because women see the hypocrisy and rightly see red. It’s not brave if you’re only going after the people who won’t burn your town down.

  17. From Dr. Zhivago (1965) as Zhivago is released from service by the red partisans, the commissar notes: ‘he may have been a good doctor, but in the future all men will be judged politically’.

  18. I saw a post in the comment section of an article on reason.com many years ago stating that technically correct is the best kind of correct and man in the current year does it come in handy.

  19. On Reddit, whenever someone says technically correct, the next response is inevitably “the best kind of correct”

  20. Nobody thinks something being politically correct means it is true, using the phrase implies the truth is otherwise than the thing so designated.

  21. When Elizabeth II welcomed President Obama, she have him a viewing of historical documents. This was televised, and I was watching with my wife. At one point, the Queen showed the President something from the conclusion of the Revolutionary War.

    The President humorously said, “That’s when we won our independence from you.”

    Not to be outdone, the Queen replied in her best high British accent, “Technicallayyye.”

    Makes ya think…

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @Kronos
    The US would remain financially dependent on Great Britain all the way until 1914. Their foreign investment funded the railroads and such.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    It would have been funnier if she had come back with "No, that wasn't until 1863."
    , @Hypnotoad666

    The President humorously said, “That’s when we won our independence from you.”

    Not to be outdone, the Queen replied in her best high British accent, “Technicallayyye.”

    Makes ya think…
     
    IIRC, part of the Queen's original title (in addition to "Defender of the Faith"), is "Queen of France." The English Crown had basically refused for seven hundred years to fully abandon its claim to sovereignty over France, stemming from the Hundred Years War.

    I believe they finally dropped the honorific title just a few years ago.
  22. @Sean

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201901/are-our-leaders-using-only-half-their-brains

    https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-inline-half-caption/public/field_blog_entry_images/2019-01/fnhum-08-00114-g002.jpg?itok=KGcYBrZS


    Neural activity in TPN tends to inhibit activity in the DMN, and vice versa. The TPN is important for problem solving, focusing of attention, making decisions, and control of action. The DMN plays a central role in emotional self-awareness, social cognition, and ethical decision making. It is also strongly linked to creativity and openness to new ideas. Because activation of the TPN tends to suppress activity in the DMN, an over-emphasis on task-oriented leadership may prove deleterious to social and emotional aspects of leadership. Similarly, an overemphasis on the DMN would result in difficulty focusing attention, making decisions, and solving known problems. [...] The objective universe is fatalistic in this respect, but the mental one allows freedom, opportunity, and multiple outcomes. In the world of the mind we are literally fancy-free, with infinite powers, possibilities, and potential. But in the world of tangible reality we are prisoners of fate, where physical causality rules and conservation laws dictate that we cannot have it both ways at once.
     

    Why do the brains on the bottom look like chicken heads?

  23. On the other side of the Iron Curtain, this used to be called “reactionary”.

    While on the subject of Science, the Heidelberg Laureate Forum 2019 starts next week.

    Tune in for live streams:

    Program Overview: https://www.heidelberg-laureate-forum.org/event_2019/
    Laureates: https://www.heidelberg-laureate-forum.org/the-laureates/?hlfyear=2019 (unless someone is rewokered before next week).

  24. Agreed. Though (as contributor black sea wrote) “inconvenient.”

    And when facts become inconvenient they tend to, er, “disappear” down the ol’ memory hole.

  25. @Sean

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201901/are-our-leaders-using-only-half-their-brains

    https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-inline-half-caption/public/field_blog_entry_images/2019-01/fnhum-08-00114-g002.jpg?itok=KGcYBrZS


    Neural activity in TPN tends to inhibit activity in the DMN, and vice versa. The TPN is important for problem solving, focusing of attention, making decisions, and control of action. The DMN plays a central role in emotional self-awareness, social cognition, and ethical decision making. It is also strongly linked to creativity and openness to new ideas. Because activation of the TPN tends to suppress activity in the DMN, an over-emphasis on task-oriented leadership may prove deleterious to social and emotional aspects of leadership. Similarly, an overemphasis on the DMN would result in difficulty focusing attention, making decisions, and solving known problems. [...] The objective universe is fatalistic in this respect, but the mental one allows freedom, opportunity, and multiple outcomes. In the world of the mind we are literally fancy-free, with infinite powers, possibilities, and potential. But in the world of tangible reality we are prisoners of fate, where physical causality rules and conservation laws dictate that we cannot have it both ways at once.
     

    Very interesting. Paper downloaded. I have even worked with bosses who had switched off both networks at the same time. It was a blast.

    Have a discussion of TILT in return:

    http://wise.nautil.us/feature/447/is-the-world-making-you-sick

    Miller has spent 30 years hammering out a theory to explain the contemporary surge in perplexing, multi-symptom illnesses—from autism to Gulf War Syndrome—which represent a Kuhnian shift in medicine. She calls her theory “TILT,” short for Toxicant Induced Loss of Tolerance.

    TILT posits that a surprising range of today’s most common chronic conditions are linked to daily exposure to very low doses of synthetic chemicals that have been in mass production since World War II. These include organophosphate pesticides, flame-retardants, formaldehyde, benzene, and tens of thousands of other chemicals.

    • Replies: @Sean
    The author of that article I linked says the rise in autism is due to technical minded people meeting and marrying in education and work.

    I have seen a couple of families in documentaries and in both one the father had nerdy technical hobbies (wireless masts) in the other the mother was a computer wizz who succeeded by what she said was her tremendous powers of concentration .

    I am dubious about low dose dangers The work of Mark Mattson and Micheal Ristow suggests otherwise
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-gravity-weight/201903/the-scientific-coming-age-old-concept-hormesis

    There was a thing recently where they said research support the idea that a host of common diseases including most of the serious ones like Alzheimer's and heart trouble are mainly caused by gum disease.

  26. @Sean

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201901/are-our-leaders-using-only-half-their-brains

    https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-inline-half-caption/public/field_blog_entry_images/2019-01/fnhum-08-00114-g002.jpg?itok=KGcYBrZS


    Neural activity in TPN tends to inhibit activity in the DMN, and vice versa. The TPN is important for problem solving, focusing of attention, making decisions, and control of action. The DMN plays a central role in emotional self-awareness, social cognition, and ethical decision making. It is also strongly linked to creativity and openness to new ideas. Because activation of the TPN tends to suppress activity in the DMN, an over-emphasis on task-oriented leadership may prove deleterious to social and emotional aspects of leadership. Similarly, an overemphasis on the DMN would result in difficulty focusing attention, making decisions, and solving known problems. [...] The objective universe is fatalistic in this respect, but the mental one allows freedom, opportunity, and multiple outcomes. In the world of the mind we are literally fancy-free, with infinite powers, possibilities, and potential. But in the world of tangible reality we are prisoners of fate, where physical causality rules and conservation laws dictate that we cannot have it both ways at once.
     

    Yeah TPN suppresses DMN e vice versa. – Culture is a task, not necessarily a pleasure. Or in slightly different terms: Accomplishments come at a cost – every kind of them.

    • Replies: @Sean

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/authenticity-under-fire/


    All around the world, people show an authenticity positivity bias: people include their most positive and moral qualities—such as kind, giving and honest—in their descriptions of their true self. People judge their positive behaviors as more authentic than their negative behaviors even when both behaviors are consistent with their personal characteristics and desires.

    Even more perplexing, it turns out that most people’s feelings of authenticity have little to do with acting in accord with their actual nature. The reality appears to be quite the opposite. All people tend to feel most authentic when having the same experiences, regardless of their unique personality. In particular, we all tend to feel most authentic when we are feeling content, calm, loving, enthusiastic, free, competent, mindful of the present moment and open to new experiences. In other words, we tend to feel most authentic when our needs are being met and we feel ownership of our subjective experiences. Not when we are simply being ourselves.
     
  27. RICHARD STALLMAN just got canceled!!!…

    That’s a bit like canceling Jesus. If Jesus was a brilliant ornery foundational nerd.

    I can’t even.

  28. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    the phrase “technically correct” is often used to imply that something really doesn’t matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Far as I can tell, these folks are not really interested in “underlying, more important truths”: they are not interested in whether any given claim is true or false at all, or even whether a statement is meaningful. What matters is that it vaguely sounds like the sort of thing a Good Person would say. If you will, they are bullshitters rather than liars. Liars know that what they say is false; bullshitters do not care one way or the other.

  29. I’ll try this technically correct rhetoric. Sounds good!

    (Steven Pinker makes use of lots of such rhetorical – – – means – and he oftentimes succeeds (I mean,
    it’s not only that he is bright, but he is also playful. People like it much more if they are charmed into grasping a new insight than being forced into it (new insights are always a nuisance – in almost any context (people don’t like them that much))).

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    You forgot one closing parenthesis. Also, on a stylistic note, nested parentheses are too confusing these days. Know what (((I))) mean?
    , @J.Ross
    For American English, vary the brackets in this order:
    ( [ { } ] )
    [ ] is also used for replacing material inside a quote, but the above application is understood to be different: "I eventually found it" --> "I eventually found [the door]."
    and
    "initial quotation but 'quote within a quote.'"
    >but my keyboard doesn't have those
    Then make it a footnote or a separate sentence, which will be clearer anyway.
  30. @Buzz Mohawk
    When Elizabeth II welcomed President Obama, she have him a viewing of historical documents. This was televised, and I was watching with my wife. At one point, the Queen showed the President something from the conclusion of the Revolutionary War.

    The President humorously said, "That's when we won our independence from you."

    Not to be outdone, the Queen replied in her best high British accent, "Technicallayyye."

    Makes ya think...

    The US would remain financially dependent on Great Britain all the way until 1914. Their foreign investment funded the railroads and such.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    The US would remain financially dependent on Great Britain all the way until 1914. Their foreign investment funded the railroads and such.

     

    Railroad investments and construction in the post-Civil War South may have been partly financed by Limey loot, but it was filtered through the East Coast cities or Northern commercial cities and then local stooges.

    Gilpin and Summers brings up some guy named McGhee who was a stooge that built some railroads and companies in the South with shady loot from the Northern portion of the USA. Maybe some of that loot came out of Limey Island. McGhee somehow got involved with the Gilpins.

    Drew Gilpin Faust, who benefited from Larry Summers getting blank-canned from Harvard, is a sharpy from a family of shady people.

    Don't trust no Gilpins no how!
    , @Ancient Briton
    Also, London bankers financed the Louisiana Purchase .
    , @Hank Yobo
    The UK has always been a major, if not primary, source of foreign investment in America from the seventeenth century to the present day.
  31. Non-technically, you’ll still be fired for not being sufficiently PC.

  32. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    Well said. One hopes the day will come when people will look back on this period of time in our country and shake their heads. Will future generations believe there was *a* word that black people could utter casually but white people could be fired or prosecuted for saying? Incredible.

  33. @Dieter Kief
    Yeah TPN suppresses DMN e vice versa. - Culture is a task, not necessarily a pleasure. Or in slightly different terms: Accomplishments come at a cost - every kind of them.

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/authenticity-under-fire/

    All around the world, people show an authenticity positivity bias: people include their most positive and moral qualities—such as kind, giving and honest—in their descriptions of their true self. People judge their positive behaviors as more authentic than their negative behaviors even when both behaviors are consistent with their personal characteristics and desires.

    Even more perplexing, it turns out that most people’s feelings of authenticity have little to do with acting in accord with their actual nature. The reality appears to be quite the opposite. All people tend to feel most authentic when having the same experiences, regardless of their unique personality. In particular, we all tend to feel most authentic when we are feeling content, calm, loving, enthusiastic, free, competent, mindful of the present moment and open to new experiences. In other words, we tend to feel most authentic when our needs are being met and we feel ownership of our subjective experiences. Not when we are simply being ourselves.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    It's really old-hat stuff. People (=humans) love it beeing looked upon and cherished even - for being lovely. - Not least, because this is the more effective basis for successful hunts and accomplishments of all kinds. It has to do with covering up - camouflage. - That is the basic insight of - not only the French Moralists - Vauvenargues, Nicolas de Chamfort, Denis Diderot, but also of Kant, Schopenhauer, Goethe and - in their footsteps - - - - Nietzsche, Ernst Haeckel, Darwin, and - - - - Sigmund Freud: We all share an ancestry of hunters - not only gatherers.

    (One of the most interesting aspects of upper-middle-class and upper-class kids defending the blank slate is - I think - deep down exactly this: What if everybody understood our advantage - lets better cover this one up and paly it down, since you never know what happens, when the public understands just how rigged this IQ - and achievement game really is... The free enterprise society has a dark little secret...
  34. Why not FC?

    Factually Correct

    • Replies: @Oddsbodkins
    Yes. 'Technically Correct' sounds like what the left would come up with to minimize the significance of factually sound staements.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    Why not FC?

    Factually Correct
     
    How about "FU," for "Factually Undisputable."

    As in, "FU: I'm right, you're wrong!"
  35. @Buzz Mohawk
    When Elizabeth II welcomed President Obama, she have him a viewing of historical documents. This was televised, and I was watching with my wife. At one point, the Queen showed the President something from the conclusion of the Revolutionary War.

    The President humorously said, "That's when we won our independence from you."

    Not to be outdone, the Queen replied in her best high British accent, "Technicallayyye."

    Makes ya think...

    It would have been funnier if she had come back with “No, that wasn’t until 1863.”

  36. @Dieter Kief
    I'll try this technically correct rhetoric. Sounds good!

    (Steven Pinker makes use of lots of such rhetorical - - - means - and he oftentimes succeeds (I mean,
    it's not only that he is bright, but he is also playful. People like it much more if they are charmed into grasping a new insight than being forced into it (new insights are always a nuisance - in almost any context (people don't like them that much))).

    You forgot one closing parenthesis. Also, on a stylistic note, nested parentheses are too confusing these days. Know what (((I))) mean?

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    It'll get flagged in the pre-compiler.
    , @Dieter Kief
    a) First, I laughd, when I read your comment - and thought: Thanks Chrisonymus, for noticing - especially ince I hadn't read a lot of your thoughts lately!

    b) I sighed.

    c) honestly - I did count these brackets after I initially had closed - four. But then I thought four of them would be a bit over the top and thought it would be perfectly clear if I only closed those brackets, which bracketed thoughts, which were related - so I ruled the first one out for aesthetical and functional reasons.

    d) Now I feel a little bit ashamed, but I don't know, why: Because I have broken an American rule? Or because I didn't care that much about rules and just soldiered on with my words and signs, as I do most of the time anyway?

    e) Goethe, when his texts were corrected by the printer, did not really care. When corrections came back, he oftentimes did not even look at them - let people have their way, he used to say, it doesn't matter much anyhow.

    f) I love Goethe - now you know - at least - one reason why.****


    ****
    The nature of language is, it is a system with all kinds of safety-nets. That's the difference to mathematics and other forms of the nomological (= counting/formalized) sciences: In those, it does matter, if formal mistakes occur. One is most of the times enough, to make a sentence (an expression/ a formula) invalid. Not so with language. Goethe understood this quite well: Language is a system, which has by far less rigorous formal requirements in order to work properly than - other formal systems - like algebra, etc. - do. Wittgenstein was astonished once, when he observed, how many grammatical errors his construction workers made - and still succeeded in building a rock-solid house - it is still in Vienna, so to speak, and quite impressive. A veritable tourist attraction.

  37. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality.

    Rush Limbaugh harps on the idea that the Left considers it a bad thing that the end of the Cold War left America as the sole remaining superpower. Rush thinks it’s a great thing, because we’re a Beacon of Freedom and a Light Unto the World, etc.

    Unlike Rush, I wonder if the end of the Cold War did in fact have a negative effect, in that it unhinged the American elites, letting them feel free to go crazy. The nuttiness really started picking up steam around that time, but perhaps it’s just a coincidence. Also unlike Rush, I find it hard to view my nation as some sort of beacon for mankind these days. As far as our virtues, we’re running on fumes, and our cultural rot has infected the entire Western world. Just as China is the chief source of flu viruses, America has become the chief source of sick social trends.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Forbes
    Harry--I think you're on to something.

    The Cold War kept people and politicians focused on survival--a good instinct to have. The end of the Cold War changed, not merely the balance of power, but the conditions (assumptions, circumstance) of that power (and its use or non-use). It's beneficial to have constraints and limitations on the range and field of action and the use of power. There are always consequences, and since they arrive in the future, they are predominantly unknown and can have unintended outcomes, e.g. disastrous outcomes.

    "Idle hands are the devil's work" explains a lot.
    , @Jack D
    Winning the Cold War and emerging as the Sole Remaining Superpower was all good. There was a real peace dividend, both as a result of reduced military spending and because the position of the US $ as the global reserve currency was further solidified. And not having to fight a Cold War freed up not only actual dollars but mental energy - instead of staying on a psychological war footing we were free to pursue other national goals. And the Cold War had distorted our foreign and domestic policy - we pursued Civil Rights aggressively because the Soviets used the lack thereof as a propaganda point. We backed all kinds of dubious regimes in order to keep them out of the Soviet sphere.

    That's not the problem - the problem is what we did with the peace dividend. We were like a lottery winner who comes into a large jackpot and blows it on drugs and junk. Could it have turned out differently? I don't know. Maybe our current national character is more ghetto trash than thrifty Puritan nowadays. If you give a big jackpot to ghetto trash, 99 out of 100 will waste it, so maybe our odds were not good.
    , @Prester John
    The origin of what we now call the Surveillance State was Pearl Harbor, which has put the US on what amounts to a permanent war footing. The fall of Germany and Japan saw the rise of Soviet communism, complete with an "Iron Curtain". The fall of communism and the collapse of the Iron Curtain saw the rise of radical Islam and "jihad." Is this coincidental, or is it because the Surveillance State--by now having become arguably the single largest collective interest group in the US--needs an enemy to survive? And if there isn't one, what's to prevent them from inventing one?

    Jes' askin'.

    , @Dieter Kief

    America has become the chief source of sick social trends.
     
    When I was a kid, all kinds of lovely wonders came out of the USA: Hoola-Hoop, the superball, frisbee, skate-boards, Bonanza... - these things had a freshness and simplicity to it - just like rock'n'roll - even the early Dylan was not least light headed and funny. Kasey Kasem made my Saturdays near Heidelberg - it was great.

    Rap was the first pop-culture move I despised. - Not least - - irony of all ironies - a formula of the late Herbert Marcuse, who turned back to the classics in his little gem The Permanence of Art - immunized me against Rap - ah Marcuse's formula: To repressively de-sublimate things (I hope this translates backward from the Germana "repressive Entsubliminierung" in an understandable way). In plain and simple terms: There are ways to be free, which enslave people. Like Rap-music - for example. - So this was the beginning. But it did not get better over time and led to the general trend, you point out.

    Now - Germany is close behind. It might be the northern European/North-American West in general. I think at times of Douglas Murray's diagnosis in The Strange Death of Europe: There seems to be some kind of exhaustion now as the most dominant feeling around. The playfulness and the optimism - if I think of the moon landing - are gone.

  38. @Paleo Liberal
    Why not FC?

    Factually Correct

    Yes. ‘Technically Correct’ sounds like what the left would come up with to minimize the significance of factually sound staements.

  39. PC–political correctness–is form; TC–technically correct–is substance. It’s really that simple.

    Others, steeped in philosophy, can discuss forms…

  40. Yes, indeed. This reminds me of the scientist who had to step down recently because he said that calling Jeffrey Epstein a pedophile seemed to be a bit silly given that it all depended on drawing fine lines between whether a girl was 17 or 18 at the time, or in which country or state the sex occurred, and that in any case the principal female involved seems to have been a willing participant at the time, regardless of what she says now.

    I think his point is eminently reasonable, although it seems to me that from a legal point of view it would depend a lot on who was paying who for the sex rather than whether technical pedophilia was involved.

    If Epstein was paying girls to have sex with various well known third parties–if that is what happened–, it seems to me that there must have been some law broken by someone somewhere along the line. I suppose more detailed information about the monetary side of those transactions will come out eventually.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    The public at-large is massively confused regarding the difference between pedophilia (sexual attraction or sex with pre-pubescent children) and sex with someone who is below the age of legally-defined consent (which varies by jurisdiction).

    Being technically correct doesn't immunize one against vicious reprisals from an emotion-borne mob looking for scalps--as if explaining a definition is the same as committing the offense.

    Every time I've pointed this out, I've been verbally abused by those who find the inconvenient truth too much to handle.
    , @iffen
    it seems to me that there must have been some law broken by someone somewhere along the line.

    Solzhenitsyn: The Gulag Archipelago, “Wherever the law is, crime can be found.”
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Sex with legally underage but sexually mature individuals is covered by the term ephebophilia. For some reason that term is rarely used. For example, the homosexual priests who had sex with adolescent altar boys are always incorrectly described as pedophiles. I've noticed that when I've pointed this out to people they often get annoyed, as if I'm justifying it, so I no longer bother.
    , @Jack D
    The scientist in question is Richard Stallman, the founder of the free software movement and the principal developer of the GNU operating system, which led to Linux which led to Android. In other words he is in some ways as important to our age as Edison was to a prior age.

    He has not only resigned from his position at MIT but has also resigned as president of the Free Software Foundation, an organization Stallman founded in 1985, as well as from its board of directors. This is a very big price to pay for having voiced his opinion - so much for free speech. Even at the height of McCarthyism I don't think that a single slip up would have gotten you booted from a comparable position. You had to have a history of attending Party meetings, etc. and not just say one stupid thing. Stallman also has honorary doctorates from a couple of dozen universities around the globe - I suppose these will all have to be withdrawn also now that he has been unpersoned.

    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself. In retrospect, Minsky is in a place where no one is in any position to do any earthly damage to him and Stallman should not have thrown himself into the Bonfire of the Vanities on his friend's behalf. I'm sure that if Marvin could speak he would have told Richard that he was being foolish in doing so and to keep his mouth shut. Stallman, like many math geniuses, is a little on the spergy side and not the best judge of such things.

    Anyway, Stallman is just a fat, old, almost dead white guy and we don't need him any more. In the future, programming will be done by girrrl power and such and not by icky betas like him.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qT3uUPry7L6GZgvo5M3EKhHGI5Q=/0x0:5000x3333/1820x1213/filters:focal(2100x1267:2900x2067):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65261746/473688662.jpg.0.jpg
  41. @Harry Baldwin
    Our culture is losing its grip on reality.

    Rush Limbaugh harps on the idea that the Left considers it a bad thing that the end of the Cold War left America as the sole remaining superpower. Rush thinks it's a great thing, because we're a Beacon of Freedom and a Light Unto the World, etc.

    Unlike Rush, I wonder if the end of the Cold War did in fact have a negative effect, in that it unhinged the American elites, letting them feel free to go crazy. The nuttiness really started picking up steam around that time, but perhaps it's just a coincidence. Also unlike Rush, I find it hard to view my nation as some sort of beacon for mankind these days. As far as our virtues, we're running on fumes, and our cultural rot has infected the entire Western world. Just as China is the chief source of flu viruses, America has become the chief source of sick social trends.

    Harry–I think you’re on to something.

    The Cold War kept people and politicians focused on survival–a good instinct to have. The end of the Cold War changed, not merely the balance of power, but the conditions (assumptions, circumstance) of that power (and its use or non-use). It’s beneficial to have constraints and limitations on the range and field of action and the use of power. There are always consequences, and since they arrive in the future, they are predominantly unknown and can have unintended outcomes, e.g. disastrous outcomes.

    “Idle hands are the devil’s work” explains a lot.

  42. @Buzz Mohawk
    When Elizabeth II welcomed President Obama, she have him a viewing of historical documents. This was televised, and I was watching with my wife. At one point, the Queen showed the President something from the conclusion of the Revolutionary War.

    The President humorously said, "That's when we won our independence from you."

    Not to be outdone, the Queen replied in her best high British accent, "Technicallayyye."

    Makes ya think...

    The President humorously said, “That’s when we won our independence from you.”

    Not to be outdone, the Queen replied in her best high British accent, “Technicallayyye.”

    Makes ya think…

    IIRC, part of the Queen’s original title (in addition to “Defender of the Faith”), is “Queen of France.” The English Crown had basically refused for seven hundred years to fully abandon its claim to sovereignty over France, stemming from the Hundred Years War.

    I believe they finally dropped the honorific title just a few years ago.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The claim to the title of "King of France" was relinquished upon the creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801.

    The current "style" of the Queen is:

    Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
     
    , @Alden
    Defender of the faith title was granted to Henry 8 in the 1520s before he met Anne Boleyn by the Catholic Pope. It was a reward for a pamphlet Henry wrote refuting Luther’s reformation. Some said Thomas More wrote the pamphlet.

    Ironic no?
  43. @Paleo Liberal
    Why not FC?

    Factually Correct

    Why not FC?

    Factually Correct

    How about “FU,” for “Factually Undisputable.”

    As in, “FU: I’m right, you’re wrong!”

    • LOL: Paleo Liberal
  44. @Harry Baldwin
    Our culture is losing its grip on reality.

    Rush Limbaugh harps on the idea that the Left considers it a bad thing that the end of the Cold War left America as the sole remaining superpower. Rush thinks it's a great thing, because we're a Beacon of Freedom and a Light Unto the World, etc.

    Unlike Rush, I wonder if the end of the Cold War did in fact have a negative effect, in that it unhinged the American elites, letting them feel free to go crazy. The nuttiness really started picking up steam around that time, but perhaps it's just a coincidence. Also unlike Rush, I find it hard to view my nation as some sort of beacon for mankind these days. As far as our virtues, we're running on fumes, and our cultural rot has infected the entire Western world. Just as China is the chief source of flu viruses, America has become the chief source of sick social trends.

    Winning the Cold War and emerging as the Sole Remaining Superpower was all good. There was a real peace dividend, both as a result of reduced military spending and because the position of the US $ as the global reserve currency was further solidified. And not having to fight a Cold War freed up not only actual dollars but mental energy – instead of staying on a psychological war footing we were free to pursue other national goals. And the Cold War had distorted our foreign and domestic policy – we pursued Civil Rights aggressively because the Soviets used the lack thereof as a propaganda point. We backed all kinds of dubious regimes in order to keep them out of the Soviet sphere.

    That’s not the problem – the problem is what we did with the peace dividend. We were like a lottery winner who comes into a large jackpot and blows it on drugs and junk. Could it have turned out differently? I don’t know. Maybe our current national character is more ghetto trash than thrifty Puritan nowadays. If you give a big jackpot to ghetto trash, 99 out of 100 will waste it, so maybe our odds were not good.

  45. @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, indeed. This reminds me of the scientist who had to step down recently because he said that calling Jeffrey Epstein a pedophile seemed to be a bit silly given that it all depended on drawing fine lines between whether a girl was 17 or 18 at the time, or in which country or state the sex occurred, and that in any case the principal female involved seems to have been a willing participant at the time, regardless of what she says now.

    I think his point is eminently reasonable, although it seems to me that from a legal point of view it would depend a lot on who was paying who for the sex rather than whether technical pedophilia was involved.

    If Epstein was paying girls to have sex with various well known third parties--if that is what happened--, it seems to me that there must have been some law broken by someone somewhere along the line. I suppose more detailed information about the monetary side of those transactions will come out eventually.

    The public at-large is massively confused regarding the difference between pedophilia (sexual attraction or sex with pre-pubescent children) and sex with someone who is below the age of legally-defined consent (which varies by jurisdiction).

    Being technically correct doesn’t immunize one against vicious reprisals from an emotion-borne mob looking for scalps–as if explaining a definition is the same as committing the offense.

    Every time I’ve pointed this out, I’ve been verbally abused by those who find the inconvenient truth too much to handle.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Agree. Pedophilia ends at the 13th birthday.

    It’s probably because the media’s been referring to priests who molested teen age boys as pedophiles for about 20 years now.

    Except for Roman Polanski. His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced, technically under the age of consent but actually a mature eager participant. The fact that he had to drug her is irrelevant. And that DA investigator and judge were alll evil anti semites.

    Roman and Sharon Tate, beauty and the beast.
  46. “W.T.”

    Wishful Thinking. The source of all the malaise in the West.

    • Replies: @Oddsbodkins
    Don't forget WT's buddy, willful ignorance.
  47. @Hypnotoad666

    The President humorously said, “That’s when we won our independence from you.”

    Not to be outdone, the Queen replied in her best high British accent, “Technicallayyye.”

    Makes ya think…
     
    IIRC, part of the Queen's original title (in addition to "Defender of the Faith"), is "Queen of France." The English Crown had basically refused for seven hundred years to fully abandon its claim to sovereignty over France, stemming from the Hundred Years War.

    I believe they finally dropped the honorific title just a few years ago.

    The claim to the title of “King of France” was relinquished upon the creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801.

    The current “style” of the Queen is:

    Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    I think the full title does include Duke of Normandy though
    , @The Alarmist

    "La Reine, notre Duc"
     
    Her Majesty is still the Duke of Normandy, even if it is just the Channel Islands.
    , @kaganovitch
    Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

    I think when the late unlamented Idi Amin usurped the title of Queen Elizabeth to Scotland,he styled himself as
    "His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal, Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular and King of Scotland.""
  48. @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, indeed. This reminds me of the scientist who had to step down recently because he said that calling Jeffrey Epstein a pedophile seemed to be a bit silly given that it all depended on drawing fine lines between whether a girl was 17 or 18 at the time, or in which country or state the sex occurred, and that in any case the principal female involved seems to have been a willing participant at the time, regardless of what she says now.

    I think his point is eminently reasonable, although it seems to me that from a legal point of view it would depend a lot on who was paying who for the sex rather than whether technical pedophilia was involved.

    If Epstein was paying girls to have sex with various well known third parties--if that is what happened--, it seems to me that there must have been some law broken by someone somewhere along the line. I suppose more detailed information about the monetary side of those transactions will come out eventually.

    it seems to me that there must have been some law broken by someone somewhere along the line.

    Solzhenitsyn: The Gulag Archipelago, “Wherever the law is, crime can be found.”

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    Actually, pimping is forbidden in most juristictions, but it would take some time to research the actual laws - no need to trouble Solschenizin in the Epstein case.

    It seems highly probable that pimping took place.
  49. @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, indeed. This reminds me of the scientist who had to step down recently because he said that calling Jeffrey Epstein a pedophile seemed to be a bit silly given that it all depended on drawing fine lines between whether a girl was 17 or 18 at the time, or in which country or state the sex occurred, and that in any case the principal female involved seems to have been a willing participant at the time, regardless of what she says now.

    I think his point is eminently reasonable, although it seems to me that from a legal point of view it would depend a lot on who was paying who for the sex rather than whether technical pedophilia was involved.

    If Epstein was paying girls to have sex with various well known third parties--if that is what happened--, it seems to me that there must have been some law broken by someone somewhere along the line. I suppose more detailed information about the monetary side of those transactions will come out eventually.

    Sex with legally underage but sexually mature individuals is covered by the term ephebophilia. For some reason that term is rarely used. For example, the homosexual priests who had sex with adolescent altar boys are always incorrectly described as pedophiles. I’ve noticed that when I’ve pointed this out to people they often get annoyed, as if I’m justifying it, so I no longer bother.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is like pointing out that owing a bicycle and a wristwatch doesn't really mean that you are a Rich Peasant. In the midst of a Cultural Revolution, such fine distinctions are meaningless. Throwing out the baby with a bathwater is a virtue if the baby is evil too. Ephebophile priests and Richard Stallman can be rehabilitated posthumously after the revolutionary fervor has died down but if you try to defend them now, you are only going to get Burnt by the Sun.
    , @ScarletNumber

    I’ve noticed that when I’ve pointed this out to people they often get annoyed
     
    As they should, since you are splitting hairs.
  50. @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, indeed. This reminds me of the scientist who had to step down recently because he said that calling Jeffrey Epstein a pedophile seemed to be a bit silly given that it all depended on drawing fine lines between whether a girl was 17 or 18 at the time, or in which country or state the sex occurred, and that in any case the principal female involved seems to have been a willing participant at the time, regardless of what she says now.

    I think his point is eminently reasonable, although it seems to me that from a legal point of view it would depend a lot on who was paying who for the sex rather than whether technical pedophilia was involved.

    If Epstein was paying girls to have sex with various well known third parties--if that is what happened--, it seems to me that there must have been some law broken by someone somewhere along the line. I suppose more detailed information about the monetary side of those transactions will come out eventually.

    The scientist in question is Richard Stallman, the founder of the free software movement and the principal developer of the GNU operating system, which led to Linux which led to Android. In other words he is in some ways as important to our age as Edison was to a prior age.

    He has not only resigned from his position at MIT but has also resigned as president of the Free Software Foundation, an organization Stallman founded in 1985, as well as from its board of directors. This is a very big price to pay for having voiced his opinion – so much for free speech. Even at the height of McCarthyism I don’t think that a single slip up would have gotten you booted from a comparable position. You had to have a history of attending Party meetings, etc. and not just say one stupid thing. Stallman also has honorary doctorates from a couple of dozen universities around the globe – I suppose these will all have to be withdrawn also now that he has been unpersoned.

    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself. In retrospect, Minsky is in a place where no one is in any position to do any earthly damage to him and Stallman should not have thrown himself into the Bonfire of the Vanities on his friend’s behalf. I’m sure that if Marvin could speak he would have told Richard that he was being foolish in doing so and to keep his mouth shut. Stallman, like many math geniuses, is a little on the spergy side and not the best judge of such things.

    Anyway, Stallman is just a fat, old, almost dead white guy and we don’t need him any more. In the future, programming will be done by girrrl power and such and not by icky betas like him.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    To be fair, it was more than one statement.

    But it was a witch hunt.

    For many years, Stallman has criticized the concept of age of consent. Not too many years ago, feminists were on the side of lowering the age of consent. Hawaii was 14 until recently. Japan lowered the age of consent to 14 at he behest of feminists, and were shocked that such a thing led to 14-17 year old prostitutes.

    Stallman has modified his views in recent years, but his views are still politically incorrect.

    IMO, people can have different opinions as to what the age of consent should be.

    BUT

    I gather Stallman was seen as being a really creepy guy, and many people in the institutions didn’t like having him around.
    , @candid_observer
    Stallman has forever been a prickly figure. His desire for independence from institutional thinking had everything to do with his push for open software.

    The reality is that MIT and the Free Software Foundations suffer more from his break with them than he does. His contributions are legion. And few people have given a smaller damn than he has about what others think. He will continue to be and do what he has always been and done.
    , @Ancient Briton
    Sen. McCarthy persued traitors and was proved right - Stanton Evans' Blacklisted by History buries all the leftist smears against Tailgunner Joe.
    , @El Dato
    Note that the protestors from MIT (likely all less than usually competent emotionally metastable individuals in the humanities, media or other jokeshit) are already calling Minsky a "'pioneer' in AI", with scare quotes. Canceling of Minsky will probably start within weeks.

    I don't have a facecuck account, so I can't unearth the actual quote

    ..But


    "Remove Richard Stallman and everyone else horrible in tech."
    By Selam G.

     

    https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794

    "I’m writing this because I’m too angry to work."
     
    Maybe you should calm down, take a stress pill, and think things over.

    [Richard Stallmann butthead mail dumpster fire free speech explodo-event deleted]


    I was shocked. I continued talking to my friend, a female graduate student in CSAIL, about everything, trying to get the full email thread (I wasn’t on the mailing list). I even started emailing reporters — local and national, news sites, newspapers, radio stations. I couldn’t stop thinking about it. During my 45-minute drive home, when I normally listen to podcasts or music, I just sat in complete silence.

     

    These people emotion through and through. Mental.

    MIT does not deserve its women.

    There is nothing wrong with women. There is nothing wrong with girls in STEM. There are many women and many girls who, in spite of everything, love STEM-related disciplines. Some of them even go through 4-year bachelors degrees at MIT, maybe even 7 years of a PhD, and then begin questioning whether they should continue in these fields, because they are filled to the brim with so, so many shitty men.

    Jeffrey Epstein. Marvin Minsky.

    Richard Stallman.

     

    If only one could continue the career from a men-free safe space.

    Stallmann warned us to keep vigilant lest we lose the right to read.

    "Tell me, M. Stallmann. What good does the right to read do for you if most of the information has been ... sanitized?" sarcastically says well-dressed Agent Woke from behind his oakleys.

    More on the developing shitfest by Ethan Zuckerman throwing toys out of the well-endowed pram:

    https://medium.com/@EthanZ/on-me-and-the-media-lab-715bfc707f6f


    My logic was simple: the work my group does focuses on social justice and on the inclusion of marginalized individuals and points of view. It’s hard to do that work with a straight face in a place that violated its own values so clearly in working with Epstein and in disguising that relationship.

    I waited until Thursday the 15th for Joi’s apology to share the information with my students, staff, and a few trusted friends. My hope was to work with my team, who now have great uncertainty about their academic and professional futures, before sharing that news widely. I also wrote notes of apology to the recipients of the Media Lab Disobedience Prize, three women who were recognized for their work on the #MeToo in STEM movement. It struck me as a terrible irony that their work on combatting sexual harassment and assault in science and tech might be damaged by their association with the Media Lab. The note I sent to those recipients made its way to the Boston Globe, which ran a story about it this evening. And so, my decision to leave the Media Lab has become public well before I had intended it to.
     

    , @Alden
    Terrible, but I’m not at all surprised.
    , @keypusher
    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself.

    He "thought" he was defending Minsky because that is exactly what he was doing. You can go on the Verge or whatever the hell it is and read the email thread that got him fired. He was defending Minsky. Not Epstein.
  51. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    The truth will set you free; Liberals, knowing you are off the plantation, will hunt you down and purge you of those impure thoughts.

  52. @Harry Baldwin
    Sex with legally underage but sexually mature individuals is covered by the term ephebophilia. For some reason that term is rarely used. For example, the homosexual priests who had sex with adolescent altar boys are always incorrectly described as pedophiles. I've noticed that when I've pointed this out to people they often get annoyed, as if I'm justifying it, so I no longer bother.

    This is like pointing out that owing a bicycle and a wristwatch doesn’t really mean that you are a Rich Peasant. In the midst of a Cultural Revolution, such fine distinctions are meaningless. Throwing out the baby with a bathwater is a virtue if the baby is evil too. Ephebophile priests and Richard Stallman can be rehabilitated posthumously after the revolutionary fervor has died down but if you try to defend them now, you are only going to get Burnt by the Sun.

    • Replies: @anon
    Wow, is that a reference to a 1990s' Russian movie about Stalin's purges? You do get around, Jack D.
  53. @Jack D
    The claim to the title of "King of France" was relinquished upon the creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801.

    The current "style" of the Queen is:

    Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
     

    I think the full title does include Duke of Normandy though

  54. @Jack D
    The scientist in question is Richard Stallman, the founder of the free software movement and the principal developer of the GNU operating system, which led to Linux which led to Android. In other words he is in some ways as important to our age as Edison was to a prior age.

    He has not only resigned from his position at MIT but has also resigned as president of the Free Software Foundation, an organization Stallman founded in 1985, as well as from its board of directors. This is a very big price to pay for having voiced his opinion - so much for free speech. Even at the height of McCarthyism I don't think that a single slip up would have gotten you booted from a comparable position. You had to have a history of attending Party meetings, etc. and not just say one stupid thing. Stallman also has honorary doctorates from a couple of dozen universities around the globe - I suppose these will all have to be withdrawn also now that he has been unpersoned.

    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself. In retrospect, Minsky is in a place where no one is in any position to do any earthly damage to him and Stallman should not have thrown himself into the Bonfire of the Vanities on his friend's behalf. I'm sure that if Marvin could speak he would have told Richard that he was being foolish in doing so and to keep his mouth shut. Stallman, like many math geniuses, is a little on the spergy side and not the best judge of such things.

    Anyway, Stallman is just a fat, old, almost dead white guy and we don't need him any more. In the future, programming will be done by girrrl power and such and not by icky betas like him.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qT3uUPry7L6GZgvo5M3EKhHGI5Q=/0x0:5000x3333/1820x1213/filters:focal(2100x1267:2900x2067):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65261746/473688662.jpg.0.jpg

    To be fair, it was more than one statement.

    But it was a witch hunt.

    For many years, Stallman has criticized the concept of age of consent. Not too many years ago, feminists were on the side of lowering the age of consent. Hawaii was 14 until recently. Japan lowered the age of consent to 14 at he behest of feminists, and were shocked that such a thing led to 14-17 year old prostitutes.

    Stallman has modified his views in recent years, but his views are still politically incorrect.

    IMO, people can have different opinions as to what the age of consent should be.

    BUT

    I gather Stallman was seen as being a really creepy guy, and many people in the institutions didn’t like having him around.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    multiple statements

    Stallman is not a pedo normalization activist. There are such people, wierdly becoming more vocal on social media right now. Stallman is a dye-in-the-tie true hippie who paradoxically also has a work ethic and a mind. He's the libertarian who advocates anarchy because an anarchy of Richard Stallmans would be a high-functioning crime-free paradise. He is also unwisely free about his off the cuff blueskyings on how things should be, but he's that way because in the past those led to a materially better world.

    I gather Stallman was seen as being a really creepy guy

    Yeah, yeah, and also three witnesses observed him kissing the backside of Baphomet while standing on a bible at midnight. Everything boomers absolutely took for granted is now aggravated rape and there is no check on the accusations, it's a free conviction like "lying to the FBI."
    , @Jack D

    Not too many years ago, feminists were on the side of lowering the age of consent.
     
    Not too many years ago, Communists were on the side of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. To remain a member of the Party in good standing, Comrade, you have to follow the Party Line wherever it may lead. In order to maintain the unity of the Revolution, the collective leadership must make all decisions and the rank and file must fall into line when these are announced in the New York Times.
  55. @Jack D
    The claim to the title of "King of France" was relinquished upon the creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801.

    The current "style" of the Queen is:

    Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
     

    “La Reine, notre Duc”

    Her Majesty is still the Duke of Normandy, even if it is just the Channel Islands.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Her Majesty is still the Duke of Normandy, even if it is just the Channel Islands.
     
    Wouldn't she be Duchess?

    The Channels are a dependency, not a part, of the UK. The 2012 Olympic pistol competition should have been held there instead of in London, where the sport was outlawed.
  56. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    This. They have to use weasel words (who we are, systemic racism, privileged) because they’re lying. Their lying weasel words work because of external force (professional scripted astroturfers, firing-happy boards), which we cannot apply, and should not have to.

  57. RMS was always a creep. A lot of loser betas are creeps. It is why the few honestly techie and attractive girls cannot stand working at Google, FB, FSF or the like—-it’s just tedious to constantly be kicking guys in the balls, and they get off on the experience.

    He was often in love with the 19 yr old pretty Course 6 ladies, never mind being 25-30-40-50+ years older.

    But hey, MIT always burns their own. Hard to care. Guys who use Epstein to get laid aren’t exactly upstanding gentlemen.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    "-- sent from my iPhone."
    , @Whiskey
    By all means let us put feelz of young women first. Since young women are so accomplished and wise. They never make bad choices with bad boys and demand society and beta males bail them out.

    Oh no.

    After all what is software freedom compared to woke capital and feelz of young women?
  58. @Kronos
    The US would remain financially dependent on Great Britain all the way until 1914. Their foreign investment funded the railroads and such.

    The US would remain financially dependent on Great Britain all the way until 1914. Their foreign investment funded the railroads and such.

    Railroad investments and construction in the post-Civil War South may have been partly financed by Limey loot, but it was filtered through the East Coast cities or Northern commercial cities and then local stooges.

    Gilpin and Summers brings up some guy named McGhee who was a stooge that built some railroads and companies in the South with shady loot from the Northern portion of the USA. Maybe some of that loot came out of Limey Island. McGhee somehow got involved with the Gilpins.

    Drew Gilpin Faust, who benefited from Larry Summers getting blank-canned from Harvard, is a sharpy from a family of shady people.

    Don’t trust no Gilpins no how!

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I’m not sure who McGhee is (security software guy?)

    The US was a debtor nation until the European countries bankrupt themselves in 1914 (in the first 12 days of WWI.)
  59. @Paleo Liberal
    To be fair, it was more than one statement.

    But it was a witch hunt.

    For many years, Stallman has criticized the concept of age of consent. Not too many years ago, feminists were on the side of lowering the age of consent. Hawaii was 14 until recently. Japan lowered the age of consent to 14 at he behest of feminists, and were shocked that such a thing led to 14-17 year old prostitutes.

    Stallman has modified his views in recent years, but his views are still politically incorrect.

    IMO, people can have different opinions as to what the age of consent should be.

    BUT

    I gather Stallman was seen as being a really creepy guy, and many people in the institutions didn’t like having him around.

    multiple statements

    Stallman is not a pedo normalization activist. There are such people, wierdly becoming more vocal on social media right now. Stallman is a dye-in-the-tie true hippie who paradoxically also has a work ethic and a mind. He’s the libertarian who advocates anarchy because an anarchy of Richard Stallmans would be a high-functioning crime-free paradise. He is also unwisely free about his off the cuff blueskyings on how things should be, but he’s that way because in the past those led to a materially better world.

    I gather Stallman was seen as being a really creepy guy

    Yeah, yeah, and also three witnesses observed him kissing the backside of Baphomet while standing on a bible at midnight. Everything boomers absolutely took for granted is now aggravated rape and there is no check on the accusations, it’s a free conviction like “lying to the FBI.”

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Jack D
    I also heard that he dick-slapped a girl in his freshman dorm at Harvard, only she doesn't remember. Too bad that you can't be squeezed off the Supreme Court as easily as you can be ejected from some "non-profit" sinecure or else Brett would be keeping Dick company at the free terminals at the public library. Can you get law review articles?

    They are going to have to get rid of this conviction by 2/3 of the Senate business - the bar is way to high. A couple of inappropriate tweets or an uncorroborated accusation or two followed by an article in the NY Times should be sufficient.
  60. @Dieter Kief
    I'll try this technically correct rhetoric. Sounds good!

    (Steven Pinker makes use of lots of such rhetorical - - - means - and he oftentimes succeeds (I mean,
    it's not only that he is bright, but he is also playful. People like it much more if they are charmed into grasping a new insight than being forced into it (new insights are always a nuisance - in almost any context (people don't like them that much))).

    For American English, vary the brackets in this order:
    ( [ { } ] )
    [ ] is also used for replacing material inside a quote, but the above application is understood to be different: “I eventually found it” –> “I eventually found [the door].”
    and
    “initial quotation but ‘quote within a quote.’”
    >but my keyboard doesn’t have those
    Then make it a footnote or a separate sentence, which will be clearer anyway.

  61. @Jack D
    The scientist in question is Richard Stallman, the founder of the free software movement and the principal developer of the GNU operating system, which led to Linux which led to Android. In other words he is in some ways as important to our age as Edison was to a prior age.

    He has not only resigned from his position at MIT but has also resigned as president of the Free Software Foundation, an organization Stallman founded in 1985, as well as from its board of directors. This is a very big price to pay for having voiced his opinion - so much for free speech. Even at the height of McCarthyism I don't think that a single slip up would have gotten you booted from a comparable position. You had to have a history of attending Party meetings, etc. and not just say one stupid thing. Stallman also has honorary doctorates from a couple of dozen universities around the globe - I suppose these will all have to be withdrawn also now that he has been unpersoned.

    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself. In retrospect, Minsky is in a place where no one is in any position to do any earthly damage to him and Stallman should not have thrown himself into the Bonfire of the Vanities on his friend's behalf. I'm sure that if Marvin could speak he would have told Richard that he was being foolish in doing so and to keep his mouth shut. Stallman, like many math geniuses, is a little on the spergy side and not the best judge of such things.

    Anyway, Stallman is just a fat, old, almost dead white guy and we don't need him any more. In the future, programming will be done by girrrl power and such and not by icky betas like him.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qT3uUPry7L6GZgvo5M3EKhHGI5Q=/0x0:5000x3333/1820x1213/filters:focal(2100x1267:2900x2067):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65261746/473688662.jpg.0.jpg

    Stallman has forever been a prickly figure. His desire for independence from institutional thinking had everything to do with his push for open software.

    The reality is that MIT and the Free Software Foundations suffer more from his break with them than he does. His contributions are legion. And few people have given a smaller damn than he has about what others think. He will continue to be and do what he has always been and done.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I agree that these institutions have hurt themselves more than they hurt Stallman who is spergy enough to be impervious to criticism and who would still be a world class genius even if he was homeless and had to use the computers at the public library. Our Cultural Revolution is not yet up to putting a literal bullet in the back of the head of every Wrecker and only death or dementia will stay his genius. Nevertheless the Free Software Foundation is the house that he built and he has been evicted from his own home and that's wrong.

    It's in the nature of things that even iconoclasts eventually end up building their own churches (if they hope to accomplish anything) and that these churches get captured by bureaucrats and brown nosers and small men, but it's still sad to see this happen.

  62. @Chrisnonymous
    You forgot one closing parenthesis. Also, on a stylistic note, nested parentheses are too confusing these days. Know what (((I))) mean?

    It’ll get flagged in the pre-compiler.

  63. @candid_observer
    Stallman has forever been a prickly figure. His desire for independence from institutional thinking had everything to do with his push for open software.

    The reality is that MIT and the Free Software Foundations suffer more from his break with them than he does. His contributions are legion. And few people have given a smaller damn than he has about what others think. He will continue to be and do what he has always been and done.

    I agree that these institutions have hurt themselves more than they hurt Stallman who is spergy enough to be impervious to criticism and who would still be a world class genius even if he was homeless and had to use the computers at the public library. Our Cultural Revolution is not yet up to putting a literal bullet in the back of the head of every Wrecker and only death or dementia will stay his genius. Nevertheless the Free Software Foundation is the house that he built and he has been evicted from his own home and that’s wrong.

    It’s in the nature of things that even iconoclasts eventually end up building their own churches (if they hope to accomplish anything) and that these churches get captured by bureaucrats and brown nosers and small men, but it’s still sad to see this happen.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    Starts as an ideal; turns into a business; ends up as a racket. [citation needed]
    , @Anonymous
    He follows Linus Torvalds who was similarly ejected from the organisation he founded after accusations of sexism and other infractions. (One of the accusers was notably his own daughter.)
  64. @Paleo Liberal
    To be fair, it was more than one statement.

    But it was a witch hunt.

    For many years, Stallman has criticized the concept of age of consent. Not too many years ago, feminists were on the side of lowering the age of consent. Hawaii was 14 until recently. Japan lowered the age of consent to 14 at he behest of feminists, and were shocked that such a thing led to 14-17 year old prostitutes.

    Stallman has modified his views in recent years, but his views are still politically incorrect.

    IMO, people can have different opinions as to what the age of consent should be.

    BUT

    I gather Stallman was seen as being a really creepy guy, and many people in the institutions didn’t like having him around.

    Not too many years ago, feminists were on the side of lowering the age of consent.

    Not too many years ago, Communists were on the side of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. To remain a member of the Party in good standing, Comrade, you have to follow the Party Line wherever it may lead. In order to maintain the unity of the Revolution, the collective leadership must make all decisions and the rank and file must fall into line when these are announced in the New York Times.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @JMcG
    You know Jack, I don’t always agree with you, but you definitely have a way with words. Great comments on this subject.
  65. The best kind!

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo

    I thought a lot about what is now called “fact checking” about fifteen years ago, but realized that a website wouldn’t help clear things up. The reason is that people live in their own emotional brain universe: sometimes large parts of this universe are built for you, which is the case with the liberal Left Democrat doctrine of political correctness.

    You can’t break someone’s internal reality picture with facts. Donald Trump’s election is a perfect example. Democrats are triggered into a state of cognitive dissonance whenever it is brought up. They choose to take refuge in a fantasy that our president Donald J. Trump is a tool of Moscow! You can’t shake their viewpoint with technically correct facts, period.

  66. @Sean

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/authenticity-under-fire/


    All around the world, people show an authenticity positivity bias: people include their most positive and moral qualities—such as kind, giving and honest—in their descriptions of their true self. People judge their positive behaviors as more authentic than their negative behaviors even when both behaviors are consistent with their personal characteristics and desires.

    Even more perplexing, it turns out that most people’s feelings of authenticity have little to do with acting in accord with their actual nature. The reality appears to be quite the opposite. All people tend to feel most authentic when having the same experiences, regardless of their unique personality. In particular, we all tend to feel most authentic when we are feeling content, calm, loving, enthusiastic, free, competent, mindful of the present moment and open to new experiences. In other words, we tend to feel most authentic when our needs are being met and we feel ownership of our subjective experiences. Not when we are simply being ourselves.
     

    It’s really old-hat stuff. People (=humans) love it beeing looked upon and cherished even – for being lovely. – Not least, because this is the more effective basis for successful hunts and accomplishments of all kinds. It has to do with covering up – camouflage. – That is the basic insight of – not only the French Moralists – Vauvenargues, Nicolas de Chamfort, Denis Diderot, but also of Kant, Schopenhauer, Goethe and – in their footsteps – – – – Nietzsche, Ernst Haeckel, Darwin, and – – – – Sigmund Freud: We all share an ancestry of hunters – not only gatherers.

    (One of the most interesting aspects of upper-middle-class and upper-class kids defending the blank slate is – I think – deep down exactly this: What if everybody understood our advantage – lets better cover this one up and paly it down, since you never know what happens, when the public understands just how rigged this IQ – and achievement game really is… The free enterprise society has a dark little secret…

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Yeah, go after those nasty upper middle class White sneaky bastards.

    It ain't just the top 1 percent of money-grubbing sonofabitches who are pushing globalization and financialization and mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and trade deal scams and unnecessary overseas war and multicultural mayhem and the like.

    It's the top 5 or 10 percent of scheming White skunks who are using this blank slatism horseshit to keep their power in the USA.

    The nasty globalizer plutocrat scum in the JEW/WASP ruling class and their Bolshevik globalizer upper middle class apparatchiks are the ones who are running all these anti-White ideological scams, man!

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING NOW!

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL THOSE ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!
    , @Sean

    (One of the most interesting aspects of upper-middle-class and upper-class kids defending the blank slate is – I think – deep down exactly this: What if everybody understood our advantage – lets better cover this one up and play it down, since you never know what happens, when the public understands just how rigged this IQ – and achievement game really is… The free enterprise society has a dark little secret…
     
    Yes but I strongly suspect cognitive dissonance is in play and they are deceiving themselves all the better to deceive others. The upper-middle-class pretend the secret of their success was educational opportunities, even though they ought to be able to work out it is genetic. They all pretend to be from more modest origins than they actually were.

    If by upper class you mean the seriously rich, they know their special advantage is capital, which could be taken away by taxation. The lefties always think its the billionaires who espouse genetic determinism, far from it. Philanthropy and saying they are going to give away their entire fortune, all the while not actually paying any tax, is a key part of billionaire strategy.
  67. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    …to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    If Calvin (or his Dutch disciples) was right about the “total depravity of man”, then Luther was equally so about reason being “the Devil’s plaything”. You rarely go wrong betting on Original Sin.

    These people aren’t abandoning reason, they are using it for nefarious purposes.

  68. Or, if considered in opposition to politically correct, the worst kind of correct

  69. @Harry Baldwin
    Our culture is losing its grip on reality.

    Rush Limbaugh harps on the idea that the Left considers it a bad thing that the end of the Cold War left America as the sole remaining superpower. Rush thinks it's a great thing, because we're a Beacon of Freedom and a Light Unto the World, etc.

    Unlike Rush, I wonder if the end of the Cold War did in fact have a negative effect, in that it unhinged the American elites, letting them feel free to go crazy. The nuttiness really started picking up steam around that time, but perhaps it's just a coincidence. Also unlike Rush, I find it hard to view my nation as some sort of beacon for mankind these days. As far as our virtues, we're running on fumes, and our cultural rot has infected the entire Western world. Just as China is the chief source of flu viruses, America has become the chief source of sick social trends.

    The origin of what we now call the Surveillance State was Pearl Harbor, which has put the US on what amounts to a permanent war footing. The fall of Germany and Japan saw the rise of Soviet communism, complete with an “Iron Curtain”. The fall of communism and the collapse of the Iron Curtain saw the rise of radical Islam and “jihad.” Is this coincidental, or is it because the Surveillance State–by now having become arguably the single largest collective interest group in the US–needs an enemy to survive? And if there isn’t one, what’s to prevent them from inventing one?

    Jes’ askin’.

  70. @Dieter Kief
    It's really old-hat stuff. People (=humans) love it beeing looked upon and cherished even - for being lovely. - Not least, because this is the more effective basis for successful hunts and accomplishments of all kinds. It has to do with covering up - camouflage. - That is the basic insight of - not only the French Moralists - Vauvenargues, Nicolas de Chamfort, Denis Diderot, but also of Kant, Schopenhauer, Goethe and - in their footsteps - - - - Nietzsche, Ernst Haeckel, Darwin, and - - - - Sigmund Freud: We all share an ancestry of hunters - not only gatherers.

    (One of the most interesting aspects of upper-middle-class and upper-class kids defending the blank slate is - I think - deep down exactly this: What if everybody understood our advantage - lets better cover this one up and paly it down, since you never know what happens, when the public understands just how rigged this IQ - and achievement game really is... The free enterprise society has a dark little secret...

    Yeah, go after those nasty upper middle class White sneaky bastards.

    It ain’t just the top 1 percent of money-grubbing sonofabitches who are pushing globalization and financialization and mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and trade deal scams and unnecessary overseas war and multicultural mayhem and the like.

    It’s the top 5 or 10 percent of scheming White skunks who are using this blank slatism horseshit to keep their power in the USA.

    The nasty globalizer plutocrat scum in the JEW/WASP ruling class and their Bolshevik globalizer upper middle class apparatchiks are the ones who are running all these anti-White ideological scams, man!

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING NOW!

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL THOSE ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

  71. @Jack D
    This is like pointing out that owing a bicycle and a wristwatch doesn't really mean that you are a Rich Peasant. In the midst of a Cultural Revolution, such fine distinctions are meaningless. Throwing out the baby with a bathwater is a virtue if the baby is evil too. Ephebophile priests and Richard Stallman can be rehabilitated posthumously after the revolutionary fervor has died down but if you try to defend them now, you are only going to get Burnt by the Sun.

    Wow, is that a reference to a 1990s’ Russian movie about Stalin’s purges? You do get around, Jack D.

  72. @Jack D

    Not too many years ago, feminists were on the side of lowering the age of consent.
     
    Not too many years ago, Communists were on the side of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. To remain a member of the Party in good standing, Comrade, you have to follow the Party Line wherever it may lead. In order to maintain the unity of the Revolution, the collective leadership must make all decisions and the rank and file must fall into line when these are announced in the New York Times.

    You know Jack, I don’t always agree with you, but you definitely have a way with words. Great comments on this subject.

  73. @Harry Baldwin
    Our culture is losing its grip on reality.

    Rush Limbaugh harps on the idea that the Left considers it a bad thing that the end of the Cold War left America as the sole remaining superpower. Rush thinks it's a great thing, because we're a Beacon of Freedom and a Light Unto the World, etc.

    Unlike Rush, I wonder if the end of the Cold War did in fact have a negative effect, in that it unhinged the American elites, letting them feel free to go crazy. The nuttiness really started picking up steam around that time, but perhaps it's just a coincidence. Also unlike Rush, I find it hard to view my nation as some sort of beacon for mankind these days. As far as our virtues, we're running on fumes, and our cultural rot has infected the entire Western world. Just as China is the chief source of flu viruses, America has become the chief source of sick social trends.

    America has become the chief source of sick social trends.

    When I was a kid, all kinds of lovely wonders came out of the USA: Hoola-Hoop, the superball, frisbee, skate-boards, Bonanza… – these things had a freshness and simplicity to it – just like rock’n’roll – even the early Dylan was not least light headed and funny. Kasey Kasem made my Saturdays near Heidelberg – it was great.

    Rap was the first pop-culture move I despised. – Not least – – irony of all ironies – a formula of the late Herbert Marcuse, who turned back to the classics in his little gem The Permanence of Art – immunized me against Rap – ah Marcuse’s formula: To repressively de-sublimate things (I hope this translates backward from the Germana “repressive Entsubliminierung” in an understandable way). In plain and simple terms: There are ways to be free, which enslave people. Like Rap-music – for example. – So this was the beginning. But it did not get better over time and led to the general trend, you point out.

    Now – Germany is close behind. It might be the northern European/North-American West in general. I think at times of Douglas Murray’s diagnosis in The Strange Death of Europe: There seems to be some kind of exhaustion now as the most dominant feeling around. The playfulness and the optimism – if I think of the moon landing – are gone.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I recently took a holiday in a small European country and turned on the TV. One of the channels was showing back-to-back episodes of 'Ridiculousness'. I watched this for a while (it went on for hours) and thought, what must these people think of America?
  74. @Barnard
    The other side of technically correct is the new Snopes rating of "unproven" for stories that are obviously proven to be false, but that they desperately want to be true. See a good example here on this "did Colonel Sanders steal the recipe for KFC chicken from a black woman."

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/colonel-sanders-kfc-miss-childress/

    An intriguing rumor about cultural theft and fried chicken lacks concrete evidence but alludes to a deeper truth

    Good grief. I will say that even though its not true, that was quite an innovation – inventing fried chicken. Hopefully Google shoehorns some annoying white dude off their list of Great American Inventors and puts her on instead, right next to the hair straightener lady.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    a black woman may not have technically invented KFC, but the allegation started a conversation about how whites stole everything. and that's whats important.
    , @keypusher
    "alludes to a deeper truth" = false as grandma's eyelashes
  75. @Jack D
    The claim to the title of "King of France" was relinquished upon the creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801.

    The current "style" of the Queen is:

    Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
     

    Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

    I think when the late unlamented Idi Amin usurped the title of Queen Elizabeth to Scotland,he styled himself as
    “His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal, Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular and King of Scotland.””

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Say what you want, but ol' Idi had a way with words. He also killed Benedicto Kiwanuka, who was the first prime minister of Uganda. Kiwanuka's grandson ended up winning two Super Bowls with the Giants.
  76. @Dieter Kief
    It's really old-hat stuff. People (=humans) love it beeing looked upon and cherished even - for being lovely. - Not least, because this is the more effective basis for successful hunts and accomplishments of all kinds. It has to do with covering up - camouflage. - That is the basic insight of - not only the French Moralists - Vauvenargues, Nicolas de Chamfort, Denis Diderot, but also of Kant, Schopenhauer, Goethe and - in their footsteps - - - - Nietzsche, Ernst Haeckel, Darwin, and - - - - Sigmund Freud: We all share an ancestry of hunters - not only gatherers.

    (One of the most interesting aspects of upper-middle-class and upper-class kids defending the blank slate is - I think - deep down exactly this: What if everybody understood our advantage - lets better cover this one up and paly it down, since you never know what happens, when the public understands just how rigged this IQ - and achievement game really is... The free enterprise society has a dark little secret...

    (One of the most interesting aspects of upper-middle-class and upper-class kids defending the blank slate is – I think – deep down exactly this: What if everybody understood our advantage – lets better cover this one up and play it down, since you never know what happens, when the public understands just how rigged this IQ – and achievement game really is… The free enterprise society has a dark little secret…

    Yes but I strongly suspect cognitive dissonance is in play and they are deceiving themselves all the better to deceive others. The upper-middle-class pretend the secret of their success was educational opportunities, even though they ought to be able to work out it is genetic. They all pretend to be from more modest origins than they actually were.

    If by upper class you mean the seriously rich, they know their special advantage is capital, which could be taken away by taxation. The lefties always think its the billionaires who espouse genetic determinism, far from it. Philanthropy and saying they are going to give away their entire fortune, all the while not actually paying any tax, is a key part of billionaire strategy.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Billionaires could afford the scientific truth - but they couldn't care less. - I think the basic mover is having an advantage is even better, as long as nobody knows about it - - - so: The super-rich and the rich and well-off share a common interest.

    (Kids in puberty as the natural taboo-breakers are one of the systemic risks of the arrangement I described above. Now, what I see is: The socialist leftist ideas, which drive those, are neutralized by the blank-slatism, because this concept allows those privileged kids to engage in - seen from the perspective of the elders - a quite pleasant form of rebellion: The rebellious kids propose equality of chances/ and or outcome for a while - until they are a bit older and cool down, because as soon as they do, the real problem of previledge-conservation is solved. - Might well be, that the hunting/deceiving mentality is at the core of our actual Comédie Humaine).
    , @Dieter Kief
    Billionaires could afford the scientific truth - but they couldn't care less. - I think the basic mover is having an advantage is even better, as long as nobody knows about it - - - so: The super-rich and the rich and well-off share a common interest.

    (Kids in puberty as the natural taboo-breakers are one of the systemic risks of the arrangement I described above. Now, what I see is: The socialist leftist ideas, which drive those, are neutralized by the blank-slatism, because this concept allows those privileged kids to engage in - seen from the perspective of the elders - a quite pleasant form of rebellion: The rebellious kids propose equality of chances/ and or outcome for a while - until they are a bit older and cool down, because as soon as they do, the real problem of previledge-conservation is solved. - Might well be, that the hunting/deceiving mentality is at the core of our actual Comédie Humaine).
  77. @J.Ross
    multiple statements

    Stallman is not a pedo normalization activist. There are such people, wierdly becoming more vocal on social media right now. Stallman is a dye-in-the-tie true hippie who paradoxically also has a work ethic and a mind. He's the libertarian who advocates anarchy because an anarchy of Richard Stallmans would be a high-functioning crime-free paradise. He is also unwisely free about his off the cuff blueskyings on how things should be, but he's that way because in the past those led to a materially better world.

    I gather Stallman was seen as being a really creepy guy

    Yeah, yeah, and also three witnesses observed him kissing the backside of Baphomet while standing on a bible at midnight. Everything boomers absolutely took for granted is now aggravated rape and there is no check on the accusations, it's a free conviction like "lying to the FBI."

    I also heard that he dick-slapped a girl in his freshman dorm at Harvard, only she doesn’t remember. Too bad that you can’t be squeezed off the Supreme Court as easily as you can be ejected from some “non-profit” sinecure or else Brett would be keeping Dick company at the free terminals at the public library. Can you get law review articles?

    They are going to have to get rid of this conviction by 2/3 of the Senate business – the bar is way to high. A couple of inappropriate tweets or an uncorroborated accusation or two followed by an article in the NY Times should be sufficient.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    the bar is way to high

    I used to think that, but the party currently attempting to end the Second Amendment and Due Process isn't the Democrats, and there are still representatives of the Chamber of Commerce wing of the party who are under the impression that jettisoning the election-winner and all his election-winning is a good idea.
    Because so little is being done about immigration, it's only a matter of time before Ocasio-Cortez's grasp of fact and law is representative of enough of the legislature to see the removal of office holders, the imprisonment of critics, and the gifting of a free iRenew bracelet (with real copper!) for every schoolchild.

    , @El Dato

    I also heard that he dick-slapped a girl in his freshman dorm at Harvard, only she doesn’t remember.
     
    Has anyone ever seen Kavanaugh and Stallman together in the same room?
  78. @Kronos
    The US would remain financially dependent on Great Britain all the way until 1914. Their foreign investment funded the railroads and such.

    Also, London bankers financed the Louisiana Purchase .

  79. Ever notice that while the fellow with whom you went into business or professional life was once simply your partner, now he’s always specified as your business partner in the press? We all know why that is. 🍒

    Technically correct, like business partner, acoustic guitar, manual transmission, convection oven, George H W Bush, and heterosexual, is a retronym. Though that should be paleonym or protonym or antistrophonym or…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retronym

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    For many of us, "White" is a retronym. As a Canadian Gen Xer, I only thought of myself as "White" in contrast with an exotic and usually absent "Other". As I grew up, Others went from being rare in most people's lives to being at the centre of our national attention and endlessly pushed to the top of the to-do list. So now I'm a "White Canadian" in the same way an oven became a "convection oven" simply with the introduction of microwave ovens. So be it.

    Our European friends are now going through this same process. "White Irish" and "White Finns" are being created as we speak. It's the same way a person out walking only thinks of himself as a "pedestrian" when a vehicle enters the scene. If they don't want us to think of ourselves as pedestrians, then they need to stop running us over with so many cars.
  80. @Jack D
    I also heard that he dick-slapped a girl in his freshman dorm at Harvard, only she doesn't remember. Too bad that you can't be squeezed off the Supreme Court as easily as you can be ejected from some "non-profit" sinecure or else Brett would be keeping Dick company at the free terminals at the public library. Can you get law review articles?

    They are going to have to get rid of this conviction by 2/3 of the Senate business - the bar is way to high. A couple of inappropriate tweets or an uncorroborated accusation or two followed by an article in the NY Times should be sufficient.

    the bar is way to high

    I used to think that, but the party currently attempting to end the Second Amendment and Due Process isn’t the Democrats, and there are still representatives of the Chamber of Commerce wing of the party who are under the impression that jettisoning the election-winner and all his election-winning is a good idea.
    Because so little is being done about immigration, it’s only a matter of time before Ocasio-Cortez’s grasp of fact and law is representative of enough of the legislature to see the removal of office holders, the imprisonment of critics, and the gifting of a free iRenew bracelet (with real copper!) for every schoolchild.

  81. @Chrisnonymous
    You forgot one closing parenthesis. Also, on a stylistic note, nested parentheses are too confusing these days. Know what (((I))) mean?

    a) First, I laughd, when I read your comment – and thought: Thanks Chrisonymus, for noticing – especially ince I hadn’t read a lot of your thoughts lately!

    b) I sighed.

    c) honestly – I did count these brackets after I initially had closed – four. But then I thought four of them would be a bit over the top and thought it would be perfectly clear if I only closed those brackets, which bracketed thoughts, which were related – so I ruled the first one out for aesthetical and functional reasons.

    d) Now I feel a little bit ashamed, but I don’t know, why: Because I have broken an American rule? Or because I didn’t care that much about rules and just soldiered on with my words and signs, as I do most of the time anyway?

    e) Goethe, when his texts were corrected by the printer, did not really care. When corrections came back, he oftentimes did not even look at them – let people have their way, he used to say, it doesn’t matter much anyhow.

    f) I love Goethe – now you know – at least – one reason why.****

    ****
    The nature of language is, it is a system with all kinds of safety-nets. That’s the difference to mathematics and other forms of the nomological (= counting/formalized) sciences: In those, it does matter, if formal mistakes occur. One is most of the times enough, to make a sentence (an expression/ a formula) invalid. Not so with language. Goethe understood this quite well: Language is a system, which has by far less rigorous formal requirements in order to work properly than – other formal systems – like algebra, etc. – do. Wittgenstein was astonished once, when he observed, how many grammatical errors his construction workers made – and still succeeded in building a rock-solid house – it is still in Vienna, so to speak, and quite impressive. A veritable tourist attraction.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    "It is still in Vienna." Your "so to speak" shows that have noticed how funny that phrase is, and how well it shows the limits of the elastic nature of language you so well described. As with a rubber band, the elasticity will only stretch so far.

    The building is pretty damned ugly anyway, wherever it still is.
  82. @Sean

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201901/are-our-leaders-using-only-half-their-brains

    https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-inline-half-caption/public/field_blog_entry_images/2019-01/fnhum-08-00114-g002.jpg?itok=KGcYBrZS


    Neural activity in TPN tends to inhibit activity in the DMN, and vice versa. The TPN is important for problem solving, focusing of attention, making decisions, and control of action. The DMN plays a central role in emotional self-awareness, social cognition, and ethical decision making. It is also strongly linked to creativity and openness to new ideas. Because activation of the TPN tends to suppress activity in the DMN, an over-emphasis on task-oriented leadership may prove deleterious to social and emotional aspects of leadership. Similarly, an overemphasis on the DMN would result in difficulty focusing attention, making decisions, and solving known problems. [...] The objective universe is fatalistic in this respect, but the mental one allows freedom, opportunity, and multiple outcomes. In the world of the mind we are literally fancy-free, with infinite powers, possibilities, and potential. But in the world of tangible reality we are prisoners of fate, where physical causality rules and conservation laws dictate that we cannot have it both ways at once.
     

    Isn’t this an inherent function of systems (historically “self-regulated” with churn, up to and including wars), and isn’t this brain scan looking closely at an after-effect and not the cause? Any organization that operates begins to become rigid as an effect of operating. When you shake up the organization and bring in new blood, you can restart that clock, but the very people who restarted are now on it too, and eventually they will be the enemies of innovation. The solution isn’t something medicinal or procedural because the people who are the problem will be locked into the perception that they’re not the problem, you just have to follow Oprah’s advice.

  83. @Alice
    RMS was always a creep. A lot of loser betas are creeps. It is why the few honestly techie and attractive girls cannot stand working at Google, FB, FSF or the like----it's just tedious to constantly be kicking guys in the balls, and they get off on the experience.

    He was often in love with the 19 yr old pretty Course 6 ladies, never mind being 25-30-40-50+ years older.

    But hey, MIT always burns their own. Hard to care. Guys who use Epstein to get laid aren't exactly upstanding gentlemen.

    “– sent from my iPhone.”

  84. @The Alarmist

    "La Reine, notre Duc"
     
    Her Majesty is still the Duke of Normandy, even if it is just the Channel Islands.

    Her Majesty is still the Duke of Normandy, even if it is just the Channel Islands.

    Wouldn’t she be Duchess?

    The Channels are a dependency, not a part, of the UK. The 2012 Olympic pistol competition should have been held there instead of in London, where the sport was outlawed.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Nope, she's the Duke of those Crown dependencies. She's also the Duke of Lancaster.
  85. @Jack D
    The scientist in question is Richard Stallman, the founder of the free software movement and the principal developer of the GNU operating system, which led to Linux which led to Android. In other words he is in some ways as important to our age as Edison was to a prior age.

    He has not only resigned from his position at MIT but has also resigned as president of the Free Software Foundation, an organization Stallman founded in 1985, as well as from its board of directors. This is a very big price to pay for having voiced his opinion - so much for free speech. Even at the height of McCarthyism I don't think that a single slip up would have gotten you booted from a comparable position. You had to have a history of attending Party meetings, etc. and not just say one stupid thing. Stallman also has honorary doctorates from a couple of dozen universities around the globe - I suppose these will all have to be withdrawn also now that he has been unpersoned.

    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself. In retrospect, Minsky is in a place where no one is in any position to do any earthly damage to him and Stallman should not have thrown himself into the Bonfire of the Vanities on his friend's behalf. I'm sure that if Marvin could speak he would have told Richard that he was being foolish in doing so and to keep his mouth shut. Stallman, like many math geniuses, is a little on the spergy side and not the best judge of such things.

    Anyway, Stallman is just a fat, old, almost dead white guy and we don't need him any more. In the future, programming will be done by girrrl power and such and not by icky betas like him.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qT3uUPry7L6GZgvo5M3EKhHGI5Q=/0x0:5000x3333/1820x1213/filters:focal(2100x1267:2900x2067):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65261746/473688662.jpg.0.jpg

    Sen. McCarthy persued traitors and was proved right – Stanton Evans’ Blacklisted by History buries all the leftist smears against Tailgunner Joe.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    McCarthy found 15 out of 10 traitors in the State Dept.
  86. @Charles Pewitt

    The US would remain financially dependent on Great Britain all the way until 1914. Their foreign investment funded the railroads and such.

     

    Railroad investments and construction in the post-Civil War South may have been partly financed by Limey loot, but it was filtered through the East Coast cities or Northern commercial cities and then local stooges.

    Gilpin and Summers brings up some guy named McGhee who was a stooge that built some railroads and companies in the South with shady loot from the Northern portion of the USA. Maybe some of that loot came out of Limey Island. McGhee somehow got involved with the Gilpins.

    Drew Gilpin Faust, who benefited from Larry Summers getting blank-canned from Harvard, is a sharpy from a family of shady people.

    Don't trust no Gilpins no how!

    I’m not sure who McGhee is (security software guy?)

    The US was a debtor nation until the European countries bankrupt themselves in 1914 (in the first 12 days of WWI.)

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    https://trace.tennessee.edu/utk_graddiss/2652/

    This is a study of Charles McClung McGhee (1828-1907), a Southern capitalist who achieved prominence as a railroad financier after the Civil War.

     

    Drew Gilpin Faust has Tennessee McGhee ancestry.

    Tennessee McGhee would be a good name for a country band. The other Gilpin gal had a movie that used a great country blues rock song called Can't You See.
  87. @Reg Cæsar
    Ever notice that while the fellow with whom you went into business or professional life was once simply your partner, now he's always specified as your business partner in the press? We all know why that is. 🍒

    Technically correct, like business partner, acoustic guitar, manual transmission, convection oven, George H W Bush, and heterosexual, is a retronym. Though that should be paleonym or protonym or antistrophonym or...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retronym

    For many of us, “White” is a retronym. As a Canadian Gen Xer, I only thought of myself as “White” in contrast with an exotic and usually absent “Other”. As I grew up, Others went from being rare in most people’s lives to being at the centre of our national attention and endlessly pushed to the top of the to-do list. So now I’m a “White Canadian” in the same way an oven became a “convection oven” simply with the introduction of microwave ovens. So be it.

    Our European friends are now going through this same process. “White Irish” and “White Finns” are being created as we speak. It’s the same way a person out walking only thinks of himself as a “pedestrian” when a vehicle enters the scene. If they don’t want us to think of ourselves as pedestrians, then they need to stop running us over with so many cars.

  88. @Reg Cæsar

    Her Majesty is still the Duke of Normandy, even if it is just the Channel Islands.
     
    Wouldn't she be Duchess?

    The Channels are a dependency, not a part, of the UK. The 2012 Olympic pistol competition should have been held there instead of in London, where the sport was outlawed.

    Nope, she’s the Duke of those Crown dependencies. She’s also the Duke of Lancaster.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    So the title of "Duke" is gender neutral in royal speak?
  89. @Jack D
    I agree that these institutions have hurt themselves more than they hurt Stallman who is spergy enough to be impervious to criticism and who would still be a world class genius even if he was homeless and had to use the computers at the public library. Our Cultural Revolution is not yet up to putting a literal bullet in the back of the head of every Wrecker and only death or dementia will stay his genius. Nevertheless the Free Software Foundation is the house that he built and he has been evicted from his own home and that's wrong.

    It's in the nature of things that even iconoclasts eventually end up building their own churches (if they hope to accomplish anything) and that these churches get captured by bureaucrats and brown nosers and small men, but it's still sad to see this happen.

    Starts as an ideal; turns into a business; ends up as a racket. [citation needed]

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Starts as an ideal; turns into a business; ends up as a racket. [citation needed]

    Eric Hoffer, IIRC
  90. @Barnard
    The other side of technically correct is the new Snopes rating of "unproven" for stories that are obviously proven to be false, but that they desperately want to be true. See a good example here on this "did Colonel Sanders steal the recipe for KFC chicken from a black woman."

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/colonel-sanders-kfc-miss-childress/

    Snopes and politifact aren’t even attempting to be unbiased anymore.

  91. True works.

    Don’t give the bastards an inch. They’ve already taken their mile and are thirsting for more.

  92. OT:

    Another facet of the “migrants, please all come here and put a dick into me” suicidal mental disturbance:

    Climate change cultists filling their followers with anxiety: how long before the suicides start?

    These two will rule the world some day, and I have such hope for the future!!

    Why is truand Pippi Longstocking taken seriously as knowledge person about anything? It’s a mystery that only someone knows who can listen in on the phone conversations between Meedja Moguls and their actual handlers.

  93. @Ancient Briton
    Sen. McCarthy persued traitors and was proved right - Stanton Evans' Blacklisted by History buries all the leftist smears against Tailgunner Joe.

    McCarthy found 15 out of 10 traitors in the State Dept.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It surely is a providential comfort that our justice system is so concerned with not making mistakes, I mean, it's only nukes, so in a little while longer the excellent Soviet mathematicians and physicists would have gotten it on their own anyway.
  94. @Anon
    OT

    Japan has a television program where a faceless first-person steadycam, narrated by a Japanese actor or actress, wanders around a foreign city in a simulated random stroll, occasionally stopping to ask questions or chat with people. It’s very simple, but I’m sure the production is somewhat complex, with an interpreter and local authorities involved.

    Tonight Brussels, Belgium, was the setting. And if this program is to be believed, everyone under 20 in Brussels is non-European. Demographic momentum at work? Wikipedia tells me that there are a lot of Moroccan immigrants in Belgium, and the faces seem to match what I saw, along with many black Congolese. A high school class taking a field trip was encountered, and only the teacher was European.

    I paid attention to the credits, and three government agencies and tourist outfits were thanked. It’s possible that they set it up to be politically correct. They also ran into an Indian guy playing music in the street from 170 countries (the number of countries represented among the population, he explained), and the streadycam also happened by a wedding of a very chunky ink-black black woman with African features and a rather thin handsome young European guy, which cannot be that common, so my suspicions of a set-up by a government agitprop agency were stoked, although it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.

    it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.

    True . . . but these things are never based on one show, one image. It’s the countless straws breaking the camel’s back. This TV show, that poster, this music video, on and on.

    • Replies: @anon
    Exactly, it's not just one travel show, it's a constant drip-drip-drip-drip of messaging in a 360, 24/7 brainwashing. See: US tv.
    , @anon
    This guy

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Edward_Bernays

    has a lot to answer for. Much more than his uncle, even.
    , @Whiskey
    Where does this end however?

    All of Europes cities filled with Africans and Muslims on the dole? At some point the money runs out, they start raiding the countryside, and the White peoples appeal to Putin as their savior.

    Question will Putin fall sway to Black power and back Africans against Europeans or back the latter? Even Putin has to fear being against an African. His women would not allow that. Good thing he sent Pussy Riot to jail.
  95. OFF TOPIC

    Corey “Thin White Dope” Lewandowski Set To Win New Hampshire US Senate Republican Party Primary.

    With Trump giving him a bump, the Thin White Dope’s candidacy for US Senate set to soar.

    Corey Lewandowski is Polish and French-Canadian. I think baby boomer pop stars Hillary Clinton and Madonna are part French-Canadian too. Ever notice how Hillary and Madonna look a little bit similar? Frenchy! I love the French, most of them!

    The other guys running for the US Senate Republican Party primary are ruling class stooges of one sort or another. Corey Lewandowski might have the brains to run a patriotic Andrew Jackson nationalist campaign and beat current US Senator Jeanne Shaheen.

    Let’s see if Corey Lewandowski has the balls to use the REFUGEE OVERLOAD issue to clam rake some big vote totals out of Manchester and Nashua. Lewandowski may have to sacrifice some upper middle class GOP votes in the GOP primary to win against Jeanne Shaheen by grabbing a lot of independent and Democrat Party voters in the general.

    If Lewandowski runs a globalizer Chamber of Commerce KOCH BOY TREASONITE campaign, he will lose badly to Jeanne Shaheen.

  96. @El Dato
    Very interesting. Paper downloaded. I have even worked with bosses who had switched off both networks at the same time. It was a blast.

    Have a discussion of TILT in return:

    http://wise.nautil.us/feature/447/is-the-world-making-you-sick


    Miller has spent 30 years hammering out a theory to explain the contemporary surge in perplexing, multi-symptom illnesses—from autism to Gulf War Syndrome—which represent a Kuhnian shift in medicine. She calls her theory “TILT,” short for Toxicant Induced Loss of Tolerance.

    TILT posits that a surprising range of today’s most common chronic conditions are linked to daily exposure to very low doses of synthetic chemicals that have been in mass production since World War II. These include organophosphate pesticides, flame-retardants, formaldehyde, benzene, and tens of thousands of other chemicals.
     

    The author of that article I linked says the rise in autism is due to technical minded people meeting and marrying in education and work.

    I have seen a couple of families in documentaries and in both one the father had nerdy technical hobbies (wireless masts) in the other the mother was a computer wizz who succeeded by what she said was her tremendous powers of concentration .

    I am dubious about low dose dangers The work of Mark Mattson and Micheal Ristow suggests otherwise
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-gravity-weight/201903/the-scientific-coming-age-old-concept-hormesis

    There was a thing recently where they said research support the idea that a host of common diseases including most of the serious ones like Alzheimer’s and heart trouble are mainly caused by gum disease.

  97. @Sean

    (One of the most interesting aspects of upper-middle-class and upper-class kids defending the blank slate is – I think – deep down exactly this: What if everybody understood our advantage – lets better cover this one up and play it down, since you never know what happens, when the public understands just how rigged this IQ – and achievement game really is… The free enterprise society has a dark little secret…
     
    Yes but I strongly suspect cognitive dissonance is in play and they are deceiving themselves all the better to deceive others. The upper-middle-class pretend the secret of their success was educational opportunities, even though they ought to be able to work out it is genetic. They all pretend to be from more modest origins than they actually were.

    If by upper class you mean the seriously rich, they know their special advantage is capital, which could be taken away by taxation. The lefties always think its the billionaires who espouse genetic determinism, far from it. Philanthropy and saying they are going to give away their entire fortune, all the while not actually paying any tax, is a key part of billionaire strategy.

    Billionaires could afford the scientific truth – but they couldn’t care less. – I think the basic mover is having an advantage is even better, as long as nobody knows about it – – – so: The super-rich and the rich and well-off share a common interest.

    (Kids in puberty as the natural taboo-breakers are one of the systemic risks of the arrangement I described above. Now, what I see is: The socialist leftist ideas, which drive those, are neutralized by the blank-slatism, because this concept allows those privileged kids to engage in – seen from the perspective of the elders – a quite pleasant form of rebellion: The rebellious kids propose equality of chances/ and or outcome for a while – until they are a bit older and cool down, because as soon as they do, the real problem of previledge-conservation is solved. – Might well be, that the hunting/deceiving mentality is at the core of our actual Comédie Humaine).

  98. @Sean

    (One of the most interesting aspects of upper-middle-class and upper-class kids defending the blank slate is – I think – deep down exactly this: What if everybody understood our advantage – lets better cover this one up and play it down, since you never know what happens, when the public understands just how rigged this IQ – and achievement game really is… The free enterprise society has a dark little secret…
     
    Yes but I strongly suspect cognitive dissonance is in play and they are deceiving themselves all the better to deceive others. The upper-middle-class pretend the secret of their success was educational opportunities, even though they ought to be able to work out it is genetic. They all pretend to be from more modest origins than they actually were.

    If by upper class you mean the seriously rich, they know their special advantage is capital, which could be taken away by taxation. The lefties always think its the billionaires who espouse genetic determinism, far from it. Philanthropy and saying they are going to give away their entire fortune, all the while not actually paying any tax, is a key part of billionaire strategy.

    Billionaires could afford the scientific truth – but they couldn’t care less. – I think the basic mover is having an advantage is even better, as long as nobody knows about it – – – so: The super-rich and the rich and well-off share a common interest.

    (Kids in puberty as the natural taboo-breakers are one of the systemic risks of the arrangement I described above. Now, what I see is: The socialist leftist ideas, which drive those, are neutralized by the blank-slatism, because this concept allows those privileged kids to engage in – seen from the perspective of the elders – a quite pleasant form of rebellion: The rebellious kids propose equality of chances/ and or outcome for a while – until they are a bit older and cool down, because as soon as they do, the real problem of previledge-conservation is solved. – Might well be, that the hunting/deceiving mentality is at the core of our actual Comédie Humaine).

  99. @Jack D
    McCarthy found 15 out of 10 traitors in the State Dept.

    It surely is a providential comfort that our justice system is so concerned with not making mistakes, I mean, it’s only nukes, so in a little while longer the excellent Soviet mathematicians and physicists would have gotten it on their own anyway.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    McCarthy was responsible for the arrest of zero atomic spies.
  100. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:

    From a WSJ op-ed by Shelby Steele:

    Poetic truth is like poetic license where one breaks grammatical rules for effect. Better to break the rule than lose the effect. Poetic truth lies just a little; it bends the actual truth in order to highlight what it believes is a larger and more important truth… The great trick of poetic truth is to pass itself off as the deep and essential truth so that hard facts that refute it must be dismissed in the name of truth.

    • Replies: @res
    That's a great quote. Thanks. Here is a link to a discussion of it which in turn links to the (paywalled) original article by Shelby Steele: https://bensonian.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/shelby-steele-on-the-poetic-truth-of-white-racism-and-black-victimization/
  101. @Kronos
    I’m not sure who McGhee is (security software guy?)

    The US was a debtor nation until the European countries bankrupt themselves in 1914 (in the first 12 days of WWI.)

    https://trace.tennessee.edu/utk_graddiss/2652/

    This is a study of Charles McClung McGhee (1828-1907), a Southern capitalist who achieved prominence as a railroad financier after the Civil War.

    Drew Gilpin Faust has Tennessee McGhee ancestry.

    Tennessee McGhee would be a good name for a country band. The other Gilpin gal had a movie that used a great country blues rock song called Can’t You See.

  102. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    I think we’re in the beginning of a new Dark Age…

  103. @Jack D
    The scientist in question is Richard Stallman, the founder of the free software movement and the principal developer of the GNU operating system, which led to Linux which led to Android. In other words he is in some ways as important to our age as Edison was to a prior age.

    He has not only resigned from his position at MIT but has also resigned as president of the Free Software Foundation, an organization Stallman founded in 1985, as well as from its board of directors. This is a very big price to pay for having voiced his opinion - so much for free speech. Even at the height of McCarthyism I don't think that a single slip up would have gotten you booted from a comparable position. You had to have a history of attending Party meetings, etc. and not just say one stupid thing. Stallman also has honorary doctorates from a couple of dozen universities around the globe - I suppose these will all have to be withdrawn also now that he has been unpersoned.

    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself. In retrospect, Minsky is in a place where no one is in any position to do any earthly damage to him and Stallman should not have thrown himself into the Bonfire of the Vanities on his friend's behalf. I'm sure that if Marvin could speak he would have told Richard that he was being foolish in doing so and to keep his mouth shut. Stallman, like many math geniuses, is a little on the spergy side and not the best judge of such things.

    Anyway, Stallman is just a fat, old, almost dead white guy and we don't need him any more. In the future, programming will be done by girrrl power and such and not by icky betas like him.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qT3uUPry7L6GZgvo5M3EKhHGI5Q=/0x0:5000x3333/1820x1213/filters:focal(2100x1267:2900x2067):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65261746/473688662.jpg.0.jpg

    Note that the protestors from MIT (likely all less than usually competent emotionally metastable individuals in the humanities, media or other jokeshit) are already calling Minsky a “‘pioneer’ in AI”, with scare quotes. Canceling of Minsky will probably start within weeks.

    I don’t have a facecuck account, so I can’t unearth the actual quote

    ..But

    “Remove Richard Stallman and everyone else horrible in tech.”
    By Selam G.

    https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794

    “I’m writing this because I’m too angry to work.”

    Maybe you should calm down, take a stress pill, and think things over.

    [Richard Stallmann butthead mail dumpster fire free speech explodo-event deleted]

    I was shocked. I continued talking to my friend, a female graduate student in CSAIL, about everything, trying to get the full email thread (I wasn’t on the mailing list). I even started emailing reporters — local and national, news sites, newspapers, radio stations. I couldn’t stop thinking about it. During my 45-minute drive home, when I normally listen to podcasts or music, I just sat in complete silence.

    These people emotion through and through. Mental.

    MIT does not deserve its women.

    There is nothing wrong with women. There is nothing wrong with girls in STEM. There are many women and many girls who, in spite of everything, love STEM-related disciplines. Some of them even go through 4-year bachelors degrees at MIT, maybe even 7 years of a PhD, and then begin questioning whether they should continue in these fields, because they are filled to the brim with so, so many shitty men.

    Jeffrey Epstein. Marvin Minsky.

    Richard Stallman.

    If only one could continue the career from a men-free safe space.

    Stallmann warned us to keep vigilant lest we lose the right to read.

    “Tell me, M. Stallmann. What good does the right to read do for you if most of the information has been … sanitized?” sarcastically says well-dressed Agent Woke from behind his oakleys.

    More on the developing shitfest by Ethan Zuckerman throwing toys out of the well-endowed pram:

    https://medium.com/@EthanZ/on-me-and-the-media-lab-715bfc707f6f

    My logic was simple: the work my group does focuses on social justice and on the inclusion of marginalized individuals and points of view. It’s hard to do that work with a straight face in a place that violated its own values so clearly in working with Epstein and in disguising that relationship.

    I waited until Thursday the 15th for Joi’s apology to share the information with my students, staff, and a few trusted friends. My hope was to work with my team, who now have great uncertainty about their academic and professional futures, before sharing that news widely. I also wrote notes of apology to the recipients of the Media Lab Disobedience Prize, three women who were recognized for their work on the #MeToo in STEM movement. It struck me as a terrible irony that their work on combatting sexual harassment and assault in science and tech might be damaged by their association with the Media Lab. The note I sent to those recipients made its way to the Boston Globe, which ran a story about it this evening. And so, my decision to leave the Media Lab has become public well before I had intended it to.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Selam's Medium stuff is solid gold.

    One friend joked that they have an email filter explicitly for Stallman’s emails, to always remove them from their inbox.

    Why do we tolerate this?

    Why do we allow the jokes and the comments and everything small to just ‘slide’?
     

    I think in "The Name of the Rose" this train of though resulted in murder and library burning.

    Why do we wait until it becomes bad and public and unbearable and people like me have to write posts like this?
     
    Um... about that...

    As Michelle Obama says, “they are not that smart”. Even in STEM fields, I have to agree.
     
    Ah, the housewife of the Indonesian President had an opinion on that? M'kay.

    (why does anyone even write on Medium, it demands that you have a Facebook or Google account ... surveillance capitalism I can has it!)
     Be sure to read the Richard Stallmann Removal Appendix.


    What I did not know when I wrote this post (again, being a software-ignorant mechanical engineer) was how it would touch a nerve with women in the free software community and computer science in general.
     
    https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88

    serbian_removal_music.mp3

    I'm no longer sure this isn't parody.

  104. @The Alarmist
    Nope, she's the Duke of those Crown dependencies. She's also the Duke of Lancaster.

    So the title of “Duke” is gender neutral in royal speak?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    It's good to be the Queen ....
    , @sayless
    Elizabeth I would refer to herself as a Prince.
  105. @Jack D
    I also heard that he dick-slapped a girl in his freshman dorm at Harvard, only she doesn't remember. Too bad that you can't be squeezed off the Supreme Court as easily as you can be ejected from some "non-profit" sinecure or else Brett would be keeping Dick company at the free terminals at the public library. Can you get law review articles?

    They are going to have to get rid of this conviction by 2/3 of the Senate business - the bar is way to high. A couple of inappropriate tweets or an uncorroborated accusation or two followed by an article in the NY Times should be sufficient.

    I also heard that he dick-slapped a girl in his freshman dorm at Harvard, only she doesn’t remember.

    Has anyone ever seen Kavanaugh and Stallman together in the same room?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Likely gofundme could inspire a witness.
  106. • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Thanks, Mike. I was looking for an AOC expression, but couldn’t come up with one.
  107. I think of “technically correct” as being true, but misleading. e.g. something like “Darren Wilson shot and killed an unarmed black man who walking to his grandmother’s house.”

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Alden
    An unarmed black teen wearing a little red cloak and carrying a basket of medicine and food through the woods to grandmas house.
  108. @Simply Simon
    So the title of "Duke" is gender neutral in royal speak?

    It’s good to be the Queen ….

    • Replies: @Hatshepsut
    You mean the King.
  109. @El Dato
    Note that the protestors from MIT (likely all less than usually competent emotionally metastable individuals in the humanities, media or other jokeshit) are already calling Minsky a "'pioneer' in AI", with scare quotes. Canceling of Minsky will probably start within weeks.

    I don't have a facecuck account, so I can't unearth the actual quote

    ..But


    "Remove Richard Stallman and everyone else horrible in tech."
    By Selam G.

     

    https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794

    "I’m writing this because I’m too angry to work."
     
    Maybe you should calm down, take a stress pill, and think things over.

    [Richard Stallmann butthead mail dumpster fire free speech explodo-event deleted]


    I was shocked. I continued talking to my friend, a female graduate student in CSAIL, about everything, trying to get the full email thread (I wasn’t on the mailing list). I even started emailing reporters — local and national, news sites, newspapers, radio stations. I couldn’t stop thinking about it. During my 45-minute drive home, when I normally listen to podcasts or music, I just sat in complete silence.

     

    These people emotion through and through. Mental.

    MIT does not deserve its women.

    There is nothing wrong with women. There is nothing wrong with girls in STEM. There are many women and many girls who, in spite of everything, love STEM-related disciplines. Some of them even go through 4-year bachelors degrees at MIT, maybe even 7 years of a PhD, and then begin questioning whether they should continue in these fields, because they are filled to the brim with so, so many shitty men.

    Jeffrey Epstein. Marvin Minsky.

    Richard Stallman.

     

    If only one could continue the career from a men-free safe space.

    Stallmann warned us to keep vigilant lest we lose the right to read.

    "Tell me, M. Stallmann. What good does the right to read do for you if most of the information has been ... sanitized?" sarcastically says well-dressed Agent Woke from behind his oakleys.

    More on the developing shitfest by Ethan Zuckerman throwing toys out of the well-endowed pram:

    https://medium.com/@EthanZ/on-me-and-the-media-lab-715bfc707f6f


    My logic was simple: the work my group does focuses on social justice and on the inclusion of marginalized individuals and points of view. It’s hard to do that work with a straight face in a place that violated its own values so clearly in working with Epstein and in disguising that relationship.

    I waited until Thursday the 15th for Joi’s apology to share the information with my students, staff, and a few trusted friends. My hope was to work with my team, who now have great uncertainty about their academic and professional futures, before sharing that news widely. I also wrote notes of apology to the recipients of the Media Lab Disobedience Prize, three women who were recognized for their work on the #MeToo in STEM movement. It struck me as a terrible irony that their work on combatting sexual harassment and assault in science and tech might be damaged by their association with the Media Lab. The note I sent to those recipients made its way to the Boston Globe, which ran a story about it this evening. And so, my decision to leave the Media Lab has become public well before I had intended it to.
     

    Selam’s Medium stuff is solid gold.

    One friend joked that they have an email filter explicitly for Stallman’s emails, to always remove them from their inbox.

    Why do we tolerate this?

    Why do we allow the jokes and the comments and everything small to just ‘slide’?

    I think in “The Name of the Rose” this train of though resulted in murder and library burning.

    Why do we wait until it becomes bad and public and unbearable and people like me have to write posts like this?

    Um… about that…

    As Michelle Obama says, “they are not that smart”. Even in STEM fields, I have to agree.

    Ah, the housewife of the Indonesian President had an opinion on that? M’kay.

    (why does anyone even write on Medium, it demands that you have a Facebook or Google account … surveillance capitalism I can has it!)

    Be sure to read the Richard Stallmann Removal Appendix.

    What I did not know when I wrote this post (again, being a software-ignorant mechanical engineer) was how it would touch a nerve with women in the free software community and computer science in general.

    https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88

    serbian_removal_music.mp3

    I’m no longer sure this isn’t parody.

    • Replies: @J.Ross

    I’m writing this both for those people that I spoke with in the past few days, and because this is a teachable moment, a good case study of what institutions should do going forward, how we can sustainably purge and rebuild.
     
    , @J.Ross

    For a moment, let’s assume that someone like Stallman is truly a genius. Truly, uniquely brilliant. If that type of person keeps tens or even hundreds of highly intelligent but not ‘genius’ people out of science and technology, then they are hindering our progress despite the brilliance.
     
    https://postimg.cc/r0mknf7j
    , @Jack D

    As Michelle Obama says, “they are not that smart”.
     
    Says the Affirmative Action black female whose senior thesis at Princeton reads like a term paper written by an above average 8th grader.
    , @keypusher
    Fair enough description. But he's triumphant now, Stallman is out on his ass (you can be sure scientists across America are thinking "if it could happen to Stallman..." and trimming their sails appropriately), and we have the dubious satisfaction of making fun of the winner on an anonymous corner of the internet.
  110. @Barnard
    The other side of technically correct is the new Snopes rating of "unproven" for stories that are obviously proven to be false, but that they desperately want to be true. See a good example here on this "did Colonel Sanders steal the recipe for KFC chicken from a black woman."

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/colonel-sanders-kfc-miss-childress/

    new Snopes rating of “unproven”

    When did Snopes become Scottish?

  111. @Lurker

    it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.
     
    True . . . but these things are never based on one show, one image. It's the countless straws breaking the camel's back. This TV show, that poster, this music video, on and on.

    Exactly, it’s not just one travel show, it’s a constant drip-drip-drip-drip of messaging in a 360, 24/7 brainwashing. See: US tv.

  112. @Lurker

    it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.
     
    True . . . but these things are never based on one show, one image. It's the countless straws breaking the camel's back. This TV show, that poster, this music video, on and on.

    This guy

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Edward_Bernays

    has a lot to answer for. Much more than his uncle, even.

  113. @Dieter Kief
    a) First, I laughd, when I read your comment - and thought: Thanks Chrisonymus, for noticing - especially ince I hadn't read a lot of your thoughts lately!

    b) I sighed.

    c) honestly - I did count these brackets after I initially had closed - four. But then I thought four of them would be a bit over the top and thought it would be perfectly clear if I only closed those brackets, which bracketed thoughts, which were related - so I ruled the first one out for aesthetical and functional reasons.

    d) Now I feel a little bit ashamed, but I don't know, why: Because I have broken an American rule? Or because I didn't care that much about rules and just soldiered on with my words and signs, as I do most of the time anyway?

    e) Goethe, when his texts were corrected by the printer, did not really care. When corrections came back, he oftentimes did not even look at them - let people have their way, he used to say, it doesn't matter much anyhow.

    f) I love Goethe - now you know - at least - one reason why.****


    ****
    The nature of language is, it is a system with all kinds of safety-nets. That's the difference to mathematics and other forms of the nomological (= counting/formalized) sciences: In those, it does matter, if formal mistakes occur. One is most of the times enough, to make a sentence (an expression/ a formula) invalid. Not so with language. Goethe understood this quite well: Language is a system, which has by far less rigorous formal requirements in order to work properly than - other formal systems - like algebra, etc. - do. Wittgenstein was astonished once, when he observed, how many grammatical errors his construction workers made - and still succeeded in building a rock-solid house - it is still in Vienna, so to speak, and quite impressive. A veritable tourist attraction.

    “It is still in Vienna.” Your “so to speak” shows that have noticed how funny that phrase is, and how well it shows the limits of the elastic nature of language you so well described. As with a rubber band, the elasticity will only stretch so far.

    The building is pretty damned ugly anyway, wherever it still is.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Wittgenstein's house is a monument of asceticism. Asceticism was once Catholic, then became more and more Protestant (cf. Max Weber about Protestantism as the root cause for Capitalsim****). But the monk's cells of the Karthäuser for example still represent this ascetic Catholic tradition. Wittgenstein was at times also a flagellant of sorts - quite Catholic too.

    http://www.haus-wittgenstein.at/

    I do see parallels between the white geometric purity as part of - the founding part of the Baroque Catholic Churches and Wittgenstein's house as well. Another aspect: Of the Wittgenstein Haus - it goes straight up to the heavens - almost like an escalator - an Escalator Over the Hill - a form of inner-worldly ascetic transcendence, I'd say. - and - Purity.

    ****
    I' ve learned from Marx, that the word caput is in capital and Capitalism - now, I don't have to explain this one to you - would be interesting to see, if Max Weber knew about this lingusitic link between the Christian Tradition and Capitalism.

  114. @Alice
    RMS was always a creep. A lot of loser betas are creeps. It is why the few honestly techie and attractive girls cannot stand working at Google, FB, FSF or the like----it's just tedious to constantly be kicking guys in the balls, and they get off on the experience.

    He was often in love with the 19 yr old pretty Course 6 ladies, never mind being 25-30-40-50+ years older.

    But hey, MIT always burns their own. Hard to care. Guys who use Epstein to get laid aren't exactly upstanding gentlemen.

    By all means let us put feelz of young women first. Since young women are so accomplished and wise. They never make bad choices with bad boys and demand society and beta males bail them out.

    Oh no.

    After all what is software freedom compared to woke capital and feelz of young women?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Whiskey, Lord be kind! She sounds like your disciple, and now you burn her? Support, my man...
    , @Morris L
    What you write is nothing to do with what she said. She might well be right.

    I can only give examples from my own life that vaguely tie in with what she wrote: My wife (who is very attractive {yes I'm biased, obviously}) gets hit on all the time on LinkedIn - supposedly a network of professionals. The messages are usually pretty clumsy, some comically inept, but normally not rude. Oddly a large chunk are from third world types. Also a good friend of ours started online dating after divorcing a couple of years back. The stuff that was sent to her ranged from the hilarious to the chilling.

    If I'd just read about this phenomenon in some whinging feminist propaganda sheet I'd have been certain it was nonsense, but I've seen it with my own eyes.

    It pains me to say this, but a lot of men are absolute dicks.
    , @Alden
    Can’t you keep your sexual problems to yourself?

    UNZ isn’t a therapy group for those with sexual inadequacies and problems. Find a therapist, admit you’re gay.
  115. @Lurker

    it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.
     
    True . . . but these things are never based on one show, one image. It's the countless straws breaking the camel's back. This TV show, that poster, this music video, on and on.

    Where does this end however?

    All of Europes cities filled with Africans and Muslims on the dole? At some point the money runs out, they start raiding the countryside, and the White peoples appeal to Putin as their savior.

    Question will Putin fall sway to Black power and back Africans against Europeans or back the latter? Even Putin has to fear being against an African. His women would not allow that. Good thing he sent Pussy Riot to jail.

    • LOL: Autochthon
  116. OT: Anyone interested in Brexit and the degenerated state of our Anglosphere will find this conversation interesting. Starkey is right about the Queen, the Scots, the EU, the treason of the professional-managerial class and much else:

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Thanks Cagey. I'd thought this was a video and an hour long and i thought "oh, please, you got to be kidding". But then i realized it was just audio and i listened while i did some other stuff. I quite enjoyed it--very sharp and knowledgeable gent.
  117. The best part of this will be when the phrase has to get stripped out of speech and media like the okay symbol, and Pepe the frog. Trigger phrases like “technically correct”disrupt climates of inclusiveness.

    “Problematically correct” would also be good but not as smartly played.

    I would honestly be happy if they would admit that a statement is “superficially correct” so that we could at least agree that some truth factored into the statement while leaving room for them to retreat. “While Watson’s comments were superficially correct, they were insensitive.” That would be a different conversation (not a good one, but just one spec in the direction of a more hones one).

  118. @Kronos
    The US would remain financially dependent on Great Britain all the way until 1914. Their foreign investment funded the railroads and such.

    The UK has always been a major, if not primary, source of foreign investment in America from the seventeenth century to the present day.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Word on the street is they helped cause the 1907 Great Recession. They pulled a lot of money out of the system when things looked shaky. Which made a bad event a whole lot worse.

    Like, JP Morgan’s blistery nose bad.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KuF5fzwnNQ4/hqdefault.jpg

  119. @Anon
    OT

    Japan has a television program where a faceless first-person steadycam, narrated by a Japanese actor or actress, wanders around a foreign city in a simulated random stroll, occasionally stopping to ask questions or chat with people. It’s very simple, but I’m sure the production is somewhat complex, with an interpreter and local authorities involved.

    Tonight Brussels, Belgium, was the setting. And if this program is to be believed, everyone under 20 in Brussels is non-European. Demographic momentum at work? Wikipedia tells me that there are a lot of Moroccan immigrants in Belgium, and the faces seem to match what I saw, along with many black Congolese. A high school class taking a field trip was encountered, and only the teacher was European.

    I paid attention to the credits, and three government agencies and tourist outfits were thanked. It’s possible that they set it up to be politically correct. They also ran into an Indian guy playing music in the street from 170 countries (the number of countries represented among the population, he explained), and the streadycam also happened by a wedding of a very chunky ink-black black woman with African features and a rather thin handsome young European guy, which cannot be that common, so my suspicions of a set-up by a government agitprop agency were stoked, although it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.

    . . . it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.

    How so? That’s how are countries have been lost, and that’s how Japan can be saved. It seems to me that this program is intended to show the Japanese people the disastrous effects of immigration.

  120. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    Correct is correct. Adding “technically” is a technique incorrectly applied by disingenuous twats.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    I guess, technically, that's correct.
  121. @Buzz Mohawk
    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase "technically correct" is often used to imply that something really doesn't matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    Why not just tell the truth and say that something is true when it is?

    Our culture is losing its grip on reality. After leading the world in progress for half a millennium, doing more for Man's increase of knowledge, quality of life, and individual freedom than any other had ever done before, it is ready now to throw away the very reasoning that it furthered and which made the progress possible.

    Truth is not technically correct; it is correct. It is the truth, objectively (scientifically, logically) discovered or observed using REASON, a hallmark of Western Man.

    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase “technically correct” is often used to imply that something really doesn’t matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.

    I agree with this. I like the idea of using the rhetorical retort of technically correct vs. politically correct, but I think something like “actually” might work better. I’ll leave to the meme lords on here to come up with the best term.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Brutally true.
    , @ben tillman
    Or of one likes the sound of "TC", why not "truly correct"?
  122. @Anonymous
    From a WSJ op-ed by Shelby Steele:

    Poetic truth is like poetic license where one breaks grammatical rules for effect. Better to break the rule than lose the effect. Poetic truth lies just a little; it bends the actual truth in order to highlight what it believes is a larger and more important truth... The great trick of poetic truth is to pass itself off as the deep and essential truth so that hard facts that refute it must be dismissed in the name of truth.
     

    That’s a great quote. Thanks. Here is a link to a discussion of it which in turn links to the (paywalled) original article by Shelby Steele: https://bensonian.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/shelby-steele-on-the-poetic-truth-of-white-racism-and-black-victimization/

  123. @El Dato
    Selam's Medium stuff is solid gold.

    One friend joked that they have an email filter explicitly for Stallman’s emails, to always remove them from their inbox.

    Why do we tolerate this?

    Why do we allow the jokes and the comments and everything small to just ‘slide’?
     

    I think in "The Name of the Rose" this train of though resulted in murder and library burning.

    Why do we wait until it becomes bad and public and unbearable and people like me have to write posts like this?
     
    Um... about that...

    As Michelle Obama says, “they are not that smart”. Even in STEM fields, I have to agree.
     
    Ah, the housewife of the Indonesian President had an opinion on that? M'kay.

    (why does anyone even write on Medium, it demands that you have a Facebook or Google account ... surveillance capitalism I can has it!)
     Be sure to read the Richard Stallmann Removal Appendix.


    What I did not know when I wrote this post (again, being a software-ignorant mechanical engineer) was how it would touch a nerve with women in the free software community and computer science in general.
     
    https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88

    serbian_removal_music.mp3

    I'm no longer sure this isn't parody.

    I’m writing this both for those people that I spoke with in the past few days, and because this is a teachable moment, a good case study of what institutions should do going forward, how we can sustainably purge and rebuild.

  124. @El Dato
    Selam's Medium stuff is solid gold.

    One friend joked that they have an email filter explicitly for Stallman’s emails, to always remove them from their inbox.

    Why do we tolerate this?

    Why do we allow the jokes and the comments and everything small to just ‘slide’?
     

    I think in "The Name of the Rose" this train of though resulted in murder and library burning.

    Why do we wait until it becomes bad and public and unbearable and people like me have to write posts like this?
     
    Um... about that...

    As Michelle Obama says, “they are not that smart”. Even in STEM fields, I have to agree.
     
    Ah, the housewife of the Indonesian President had an opinion on that? M'kay.

    (why does anyone even write on Medium, it demands that you have a Facebook or Google account ... surveillance capitalism I can has it!)
     Be sure to read the Richard Stallmann Removal Appendix.


    What I did not know when I wrote this post (again, being a software-ignorant mechanical engineer) was how it would touch a nerve with women in the free software community and computer science in general.
     
    https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88

    serbian_removal_music.mp3

    I'm no longer sure this isn't parody.

    For a moment, let’s assume that someone like Stallman is truly a genius. Truly, uniquely brilliant. If that type of person keeps tens or even hundreds of highly intelligent but not ‘genius’ people out of science and technology, then they are hindering our progress despite the brilliance.

    https://postimg.cc/r0mknf7j

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Right, because the work of 100 idiots is surely worth the same as one genius. Collectively, 100 idiots have 7500 IQ points, which beats Stallman's 160 or 180. Why you don't even need 100. 2 or 3 idiots would be sufficient. That is if IQ really existed, which it doesn't.
  125. @Anon
    OT

    Japan has a television program where a faceless first-person steadycam, narrated by a Japanese actor or actress, wanders around a foreign city in a simulated random stroll, occasionally stopping to ask questions or chat with people. It’s very simple, but I’m sure the production is somewhat complex, with an interpreter and local authorities involved.

    Tonight Brussels, Belgium, was the setting. And if this program is to be believed, everyone under 20 in Brussels is non-European. Demographic momentum at work? Wikipedia tells me that there are a lot of Moroccan immigrants in Belgium, and the faces seem to match what I saw, along with many black Congolese. A high school class taking a field trip was encountered, and only the teacher was European.

    I paid attention to the credits, and three government agencies and tourist outfits were thanked. It’s possible that they set it up to be politically correct. They also ran into an Indian guy playing music in the street from 170 countries (the number of countries represented among the population, he explained), and the streadycam also happened by a wedding of a very chunky ink-black black woman with African features and a rather thin handsome young European guy, which cannot be that common, so my suspicions of a set-up by a government agitprop agency were stoked, although it seems ridiculous to try to propagandize to Japan via a lightweight travel show.

    I share your suspicions. Reminds me of American TV ADs that exclude Whites expect for pretty blondes married to black men. I’ve noticed that a lot of ADs for old people products show White grandparents with mulatto grandchildren. There’s a diaper AD with a black father diapering the baby while black wife looks on. As if.

    Q. How do you know you’re black?
    A. You’ve never met your father.

    A. How do you know you’re a black man?
    Q. You don’t know how many children you have.

  126. @Harry Baldwin
    Sex with legally underage but sexually mature individuals is covered by the term ephebophilia. For some reason that term is rarely used. For example, the homosexual priests who had sex with adolescent altar boys are always incorrectly described as pedophiles. I've noticed that when I've pointed this out to people they often get annoyed, as if I'm justifying it, so I no longer bother.

    I’ve noticed that when I’ve pointed this out to people they often get annoyed

    As they should, since you are splitting hairs.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Right. But his annoyed interlocutors, apoplectic when seventeen-year-olds do a thing, yet sanguine when eighteen-year-olds do the same thing, are by no means splitting hairs.

    Good grief....
  127. @Hypnotoad666

    The President humorously said, “That’s when we won our independence from you.”

    Not to be outdone, the Queen replied in her best high British accent, “Technicallayyye.”

    Makes ya think…
     
    IIRC, part of the Queen's original title (in addition to "Defender of the Faith"), is "Queen of France." The English Crown had basically refused for seven hundred years to fully abandon its claim to sovereignty over France, stemming from the Hundred Years War.

    I believe they finally dropped the honorific title just a few years ago.

    Defender of the faith title was granted to Henry 8 in the 1520s before he met Anne Boleyn by the Catholic Pope. It was a reward for a pamphlet Henry wrote refuting Luther’s reformation. Some said Thomas More wrote the pamphlet.

    Ironic no?

  128. @kaganovitch
    Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

    I think when the late unlamented Idi Amin usurped the title of Queen Elizabeth to Scotland,he styled himself as
    "His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal, Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular and King of Scotland.""

    Say what you want, but ol’ Idi had a way with words. He also killed Benedicto Kiwanuka, who was the first prime minister of Uganda. Kiwanuka’s grandson ended up winning two Super Bowls with the Giants.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Mathias Kiwanuka was Ugandan? Live and learn.
  129. @Forbes
    The public at-large is massively confused regarding the difference between pedophilia (sexual attraction or sex with pre-pubescent children) and sex with someone who is below the age of legally-defined consent (which varies by jurisdiction).

    Being technically correct doesn't immunize one against vicious reprisals from an emotion-borne mob looking for scalps--as if explaining a definition is the same as committing the offense.

    Every time I've pointed this out, I've been verbally abused by those who find the inconvenient truth too much to handle.

    Agree. Pedophilia ends at the 13th birthday.

    It’s probably because the media’s been referring to priests who molested teen age boys as pedophiles for about 20 years now.

    Except for Roman Polanski. His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced, technically under the age of consent but actually a mature eager participant. The fact that he had to drug her is irrelevant. And that DA investigator and judge were alll evil anti semites.

    Roman and Sharon Tate, beauty and the beast.

    • Replies: @El Dato

    Except for Roman Polanski. His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced, technically under the age of consent but actually a mature eager participant. The fact that he had to drug her is irrelevant. And that DA investigator and judge were alll evil anti semites.
     
    These days in the jobs announcements:

    "looking for young full-stack programmer with 20+ years of experience"

    Tomorrow in the job announcements:

    "looking for 13-year old with deep & varied sexual experience"
    , @ben tillman

    His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced . . . .
     
    She was 12 and drugged without her knowledge.
    , @Forbes

    It’s probably because the media’s been referring to priests who molested teen age boys as pedophiles for about 20 years now.
     
    Media couldn't describe priests sexually abusing post-pubescent boys as the gay or homosexual scandal it was, as that would bring attention on gays, rather than tarnishing the church (the true media agenda) with pedophilia.
  130. @William Badwhite

    An intriguing rumor about cultural theft and fried chicken lacks concrete evidence but alludes to a deeper truth
     
    Good grief. I will say that even though its not true, that was quite an innovation - inventing fried chicken. Hopefully Google shoehorns some annoying white dude off their list of Great American Inventors and puts her on instead, right next to the hair straightener lady.

    a black woman may not have technically invented KFC, but the allegation started a conversation about how whites stole everything. and that’s whats important.

  131. @Jack D
    The scientist in question is Richard Stallman, the founder of the free software movement and the principal developer of the GNU operating system, which led to Linux which led to Android. In other words he is in some ways as important to our age as Edison was to a prior age.

    He has not only resigned from his position at MIT but has also resigned as president of the Free Software Foundation, an organization Stallman founded in 1985, as well as from its board of directors. This is a very big price to pay for having voiced his opinion - so much for free speech. Even at the height of McCarthyism I don't think that a single slip up would have gotten you booted from a comparable position. You had to have a history of attending Party meetings, etc. and not just say one stupid thing. Stallman also has honorary doctorates from a couple of dozen universities around the globe - I suppose these will all have to be withdrawn also now that he has been unpersoned.

    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself. In retrospect, Minsky is in a place where no one is in any position to do any earthly damage to him and Stallman should not have thrown himself into the Bonfire of the Vanities on his friend's behalf. I'm sure that if Marvin could speak he would have told Richard that he was being foolish in doing so and to keep his mouth shut. Stallman, like many math geniuses, is a little on the spergy side and not the best judge of such things.

    Anyway, Stallman is just a fat, old, almost dead white guy and we don't need him any more. In the future, programming will be done by girrrl power and such and not by icky betas like him.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qT3uUPry7L6GZgvo5M3EKhHGI5Q=/0x0:5000x3333/1820x1213/filters:focal(2100x1267:2900x2067):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65261746/473688662.jpg.0.jpg

    Terrible, but I’m not at all surprised.

  132. @ScarletNumber
    Say what you want, but ol' Idi had a way with words. He also killed Benedicto Kiwanuka, who was the first prime minister of Uganda. Kiwanuka's grandson ended up winning two Super Bowls with the Giants.

    Mathias Kiwanuka was Ugandan? Live and learn.

  133. @The Alarmist
    It's good to be the Queen ....

    You mean the King.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    No, nowadays Queens are the thing to be.

    Oops ... I guess it is hate-speech to refer to trannies as queens :(
  134. @J.Ross
    It surely is a providential comfort that our justice system is so concerned with not making mistakes, I mean, it's only nukes, so in a little while longer the excellent Soviet mathematicians and physicists would have gotten it on their own anyway.

    McCarthy was responsible for the arrest of zero atomic spies.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    And spies mostly got through and the Soviets got our data. Do you think this helps your case here?
  135. @Hank Yobo
    The UK has always been a major, if not primary, source of foreign investment in America from the seventeenth century to the present day.

    Word on the street is they helped cause the 1907 Great Recession. They pulled a lot of money out of the system when things looked shaky. Which made a bad event a whole lot worse.

    Like, JP Morgan’s blistery nose bad.

  136. @J.Ross

    For a moment, let’s assume that someone like Stallman is truly a genius. Truly, uniquely brilliant. If that type of person keeps tens or even hundreds of highly intelligent but not ‘genius’ people out of science and technology, then they are hindering our progress despite the brilliance.
     
    https://postimg.cc/r0mknf7j

    Right, because the work of 100 idiots is surely worth the same as one genius. Collectively, 100 idiots have 7500 IQ points, which beats Stallman’s 160 or 180. Why you don’t even need 100. 2 or 3 idiots would be sufficient. That is if IQ really existed, which it doesn’t.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Well said.
    , @J.Ross
    Yeah, just think of what we're missing from romantic music because of Beethoven's personality driving away all those composers.
    Actually there is an illustration of this in classical music: Mendelssohn ceasing to compose after Wagner's criticism. But that happened after Mendelssohn was already the most prolific composer, and it seems to me in my awful Nazism (which I hate) that it's no solution to censor Wagner and miss out on his theatrical innovation. It's cutting off noses to spite faces to have to choose either one or the other. The correct answer would be for Mendelssohn to tell Wagner to go kick rocks and for Mendelssohn to continue doing whatever he wanted.
  137. @Whiskey
    By all means let us put feelz of young women first. Since young women are so accomplished and wise. They never make bad choices with bad boys and demand society and beta males bail them out.

    Oh no.

    After all what is software freedom compared to woke capital and feelz of young women?

    Whiskey, Lord be kind! She sounds like your disciple, and now you burn her? Support, my man…

  138. @Oleaginous Outrager
    Correct is correct. Adding "technically" is a technique incorrectly applied by disingenuous twats.

    I guess, technically, that’s correct.

  139. @El Dato
    Selam's Medium stuff is solid gold.

    One friend joked that they have an email filter explicitly for Stallman’s emails, to always remove them from their inbox.

    Why do we tolerate this?

    Why do we allow the jokes and the comments and everything small to just ‘slide’?
     

    I think in "The Name of the Rose" this train of though resulted in murder and library burning.

    Why do we wait until it becomes bad and public and unbearable and people like me have to write posts like this?
     
    Um... about that...

    As Michelle Obama says, “they are not that smart”. Even in STEM fields, I have to agree.
     
    Ah, the housewife of the Indonesian President had an opinion on that? M'kay.

    (why does anyone even write on Medium, it demands that you have a Facebook or Google account ... surveillance capitalism I can has it!)
     Be sure to read the Richard Stallmann Removal Appendix.


    What I did not know when I wrote this post (again, being a software-ignorant mechanical engineer) was how it would touch a nerve with women in the free software community and computer science in general.
     
    https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88

    serbian_removal_music.mp3

    I'm no longer sure this isn't parody.

    As Michelle Obama says, “they are not that smart”.

    Says the Affirmative Action black female whose senior thesis at Princeton reads like a term paper written by an above average 8th grader.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I'm sure Michelle doesn't think the Dunning-Kruger effect applies to her.
  140. @Anonymous
    "W.T."

    Wishful Thinking. The source of all the malaise in the West.

    Don’t forget WT’s buddy, willful ignorance.

  141. @William Badwhite

    An intriguing rumor about cultural theft and fried chicken lacks concrete evidence but alludes to a deeper truth
     
    Good grief. I will say that even though its not true, that was quite an innovation - inventing fried chicken. Hopefully Google shoehorns some annoying white dude off their list of Great American Inventors and puts her on instead, right next to the hair straightener lady.

    “alludes to a deeper truth” = false as grandma’s eyelashes

  142. @Jack D
    The scientist in question is Richard Stallman, the founder of the free software movement and the principal developer of the GNU operating system, which led to Linux which led to Android. In other words he is in some ways as important to our age as Edison was to a prior age.

    He has not only resigned from his position at MIT but has also resigned as president of the Free Software Foundation, an organization Stallman founded in 1985, as well as from its board of directors. This is a very big price to pay for having voiced his opinion - so much for free speech. Even at the height of McCarthyism I don't think that a single slip up would have gotten you booted from a comparable position. You had to have a history of attending Party meetings, etc. and not just say one stupid thing. Stallman also has honorary doctorates from a couple of dozen universities around the globe - I suppose these will all have to be withdrawn also now that he has been unpersoned.

    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself. In retrospect, Minsky is in a place where no one is in any position to do any earthly damage to him and Stallman should not have thrown himself into the Bonfire of the Vanities on his friend's behalf. I'm sure that if Marvin could speak he would have told Richard that he was being foolish in doing so and to keep his mouth shut. Stallman, like many math geniuses, is a little on the spergy side and not the best judge of such things.

    Anyway, Stallman is just a fat, old, almost dead white guy and we don't need him any more. In the future, programming will be done by girrrl power and such and not by icky betas like him.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qT3uUPry7L6GZgvo5M3EKhHGI5Q=/0x0:5000x3333/1820x1213/filters:focal(2100x1267:2900x2067):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65261746/473688662.jpg.0.jpg

    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself.

    He “thought” he was defending Minsky because that is exactly what he was doing. You can go on the Verge or whatever the hell it is and read the email thread that got him fired. He was defending Minsky. Not Epstein.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    As others have pointed out, Stallman, who has libertarian tendencies, has written for many years about the stupidity of age of consent laws in his view. He has expressed the view that the age of consent should be 14. No US state has an age of consent of less than 16 (though some other Western countries do - e.g. Austria) and some are as high as 18 . His past writings in this vein have and will be held against him as further evidence that he is a pedophile fellow traveler if not perhaps himself a pedophile or potential pedophile.
  143. @Jack D
    Right, because the work of 100 idiots is surely worth the same as one genius. Collectively, 100 idiots have 7500 IQ points, which beats Stallman's 160 or 180. Why you don't even need 100. 2 or 3 idiots would be sufficient. That is if IQ really existed, which it doesn't.

    Well said.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    It exists, and it doesn't. You know it's there, but you can't measure it precisely.
  144. @jon

    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase “technically correct” is often used to imply that something really doesn’t matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.
     
    I agree with this. I like the idea of using the rhetorical retort of technically correct vs. politically correct, but I think something like "actually" might work better. I'll leave to the meme lords on here to come up with the best term.

    Brutally true.

  145. @Jack D

    As Michelle Obama says, “they are not that smart”.
     
    Says the Affirmative Action black female whose senior thesis at Princeton reads like a term paper written by an above average 8th grader.

    I’m sure Michelle doesn’t think the Dunning-Kruger effect applies to her.

  146. @Harry Baldwin
    Well said.

    It exists, and it doesn’t. You know it’s there, but you can’t measure it precisely.

  147. @El Dato

    I also heard that he dick-slapped a girl in his freshman dorm at Harvard, only she doesn’t remember.
     
    Has anyone ever seen Kavanaugh and Stallman together in the same room?

    Likely gofundme could inspire a witness.

  148. @The Z Blog
    It is an interesting dualism, as it reflects the evolution of philosophical thought in the West. Hume's law, you cannot infer an ought from an is, has become a gulf between fact and value. Falsifiable statements on one side, value judgments on the other.

    The fact that the moralists always win against the empiricists should be a clue to the allegedly sober minded empiricists, but nothing comes of it. Instead, empiricists keep trying to defeat morality with reason, calling into question their alleged rationality.

    The problem us that few empiricists and almost no non-empiricists understand the nature of value judgments. They look for their truth/falsehood everywhere but in facts.

  149. @Jack D
    McCarthy was responsible for the arrest of zero atomic spies.

    And spies mostly got through and the Soviets got our data. Do you think this helps your case here?

  150. @MikeatMikedotMike
    How about Actually Occasionally Correct, or AOC

    https://i1.wp.com/www.independentsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/o-cortez-1.jpg?fit=1200%2C675

    Thanks, Mike. I was looking for an AOC expression, but couldn’t come up with one.

  151. @keypusher
    Stallman might have felt that he was defending his late friend and mentor and fellow genius, Marvin Minsky, who has been implicated in the Epstein affair, since Minsky was no longer able to defend himself.

    He "thought" he was defending Minsky because that is exactly what he was doing. You can go on the Verge or whatever the hell it is and read the email thread that got him fired. He was defending Minsky. Not Epstein.

    As others have pointed out, Stallman, who has libertarian tendencies, has written for many years about the stupidity of age of consent laws in his view. He has expressed the view that the age of consent should be 14. No US state has an age of consent of less than 16 (though some other Western countries do – e.g. Austria) and some are as high as 18 . His past writings in this vein have and will be held against him as further evidence that he is a pedophile fellow traveler if not perhaps himself a pedophile or potential pedophile.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    Pointing out that rape and statutory rape may be very different phenomena seems to have been his downfall.

    The expression "statutory rape" seems a good example for the use of language to make a bad thing sound even worse.

    Woe to those who dare quibble, they will, as Stallman successfully was, be accused of defending the indefensible.
    , @keypusher
    He's been doing that for decades. That's not why he lost his job(s). He lost his job for the leaked emails, which I invite you to read for yourself.
  152. @Jack D
    Right, because the work of 100 idiots is surely worth the same as one genius. Collectively, 100 idiots have 7500 IQ points, which beats Stallman's 160 or 180. Why you don't even need 100. 2 or 3 idiots would be sufficient. That is if IQ really existed, which it doesn't.

    Yeah, just think of what we’re missing from romantic music because of Beethoven’s personality driving away all those composers.
    Actually there is an illustration of this in classical music: Mendelssohn ceasing to compose after Wagner’s criticism. But that happened after Mendelssohn was already the most prolific composer, and it seems to me in my awful Nazism (which I hate) that it’s no solution to censor Wagner and miss out on his theatrical innovation. It’s cutting off noses to spite faces to have to choose either one or the other. The correct answer would be for Mendelssohn to tell Wagner to go kick rocks and for Mendelssohn to continue doing whatever he wanted.

  153. @iffen
    it seems to me that there must have been some law broken by someone somewhere along the line.

    Solzhenitsyn: The Gulag Archipelago, “Wherever the law is, crime can be found.”

    Actually, pimping is forbidden in most juristictions, but it would take some time to research the actual laws – no need to trouble Solschenizin in the Epstein case.

    It seems highly probable that pimping took place.

  154. @Astrosmith
    How about "Actually Correct" or AC?

    How about “Actually Correct” or AC?

    AC doesn’t rhyme with PC. TC does.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    AC/DC sounds like a rock band.
  155. @Luke Lea

    How about “Actually Correct” or AC?
     
    AC doesn't rhyme with PC. TC does.

    AC/DC sounds like a rock band.

  156. AC/PC sounds like a rock band …

    (Please delete previous version of this comment)

  157. @Jack D
    As others have pointed out, Stallman, who has libertarian tendencies, has written for many years about the stupidity of age of consent laws in his view. He has expressed the view that the age of consent should be 14. No US state has an age of consent of less than 16 (though some other Western countries do - e.g. Austria) and some are as high as 18 . His past writings in this vein have and will be held against him as further evidence that he is a pedophile fellow traveler if not perhaps himself a pedophile or potential pedophile.

    Pointing out that rape and statutory rape may be very different phenomena seems to have been his downfall.

    The expression “statutory rape” seems a good example for the use of language to make a bad thing sound even worse.

    Woe to those who dare quibble, they will, as Stallman successfully was, be accused of defending the indefensible.

  158. @Alden
    Agree. Pedophilia ends at the 13th birthday.

    It’s probably because the media’s been referring to priests who molested teen age boys as pedophiles for about 20 years now.

    Except for Roman Polanski. His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced, technically under the age of consent but actually a mature eager participant. The fact that he had to drug her is irrelevant. And that DA investigator and judge were alll evil anti semites.

    Roman and Sharon Tate, beauty and the beast.

    Except for Roman Polanski. His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced, technically under the age of consent but actually a mature eager participant. The fact that he had to drug her is irrelevant. And that DA investigator and judge were alll evil anti semites.

    These days in the jobs announcements:

    “looking for young full-stack programmer with 20+ years of experience”

    Tomorrow in the job announcements:

    “looking for 13-year old with deep & varied sexual experience”

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    Fact: sadly, that kind of young woman is not quite as rare as one would wish.
    Also fact: that is no excuse at all.
  159. @Jack D
    As others have pointed out, Stallman, who has libertarian tendencies, has written for many years about the stupidity of age of consent laws in his view. He has expressed the view that the age of consent should be 14. No US state has an age of consent of less than 16 (though some other Western countries do - e.g. Austria) and some are as high as 18 . His past writings in this vein have and will be held against him as further evidence that he is a pedophile fellow traveler if not perhaps himself a pedophile or potential pedophile.

    He’s been doing that for decades. That’s not why he lost his job(s). He lost his job for the leaked emails, which I invite you to read for yourself.

  160. @Whiskey
    By all means let us put feelz of young women first. Since young women are so accomplished and wise. They never make bad choices with bad boys and demand society and beta males bail them out.

    Oh no.

    After all what is software freedom compared to woke capital and feelz of young women?

    What you write is nothing to do with what she said. She might well be right.

    I can only give examples from my own life that vaguely tie in with what she wrote: My wife (who is very attractive {yes I’m biased, obviously}) gets hit on all the time on LinkedIn – supposedly a network of professionals. The messages are usually pretty clumsy, some comically inept, but normally not rude. Oddly a large chunk are from third world types. Also a good friend of ours started online dating after divorcing a couple of years back. The stuff that was sent to her ranged from the hilarious to the chilling.

    If I’d just read about this phenomenon in some whinging feminist propaganda sheet I’d have been certain it was nonsense, but I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

    It pains me to say this, but a lot of men are absolute dicks.

  161. @Hatshepsut
    You mean the King.

    No, nowadays Queens are the thing to be.

    Oops … I guess it is hate-speech to refer to trannies as queens 🙁

  162. It’s quite a coup that people call Marxist lies “politically correct”.

  163. @Jack D
    I agree that these institutions have hurt themselves more than they hurt Stallman who is spergy enough to be impervious to criticism and who would still be a world class genius even if he was homeless and had to use the computers at the public library. Our Cultural Revolution is not yet up to putting a literal bullet in the back of the head of every Wrecker and only death or dementia will stay his genius. Nevertheless the Free Software Foundation is the house that he built and he has been evicted from his own home and that's wrong.

    It's in the nature of things that even iconoclasts eventually end up building their own churches (if they hope to accomplish anything) and that these churches get captured by bureaucrats and brown nosers and small men, but it's still sad to see this happen.

    He follows Linus Torvalds who was similarly ejected from the organisation he founded after accusations of sexism and other infractions. (One of the accusers was notably his own daughter.)

  164. @Cagey Beast
    OT: Anyone interested in Brexit and the degenerated state of our Anglosphere will find this conversation interesting. Starkey is right about the Queen, the Scots, the EU, the treason of the professional-managerial class and much else:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxV6SvQHc0

    Thanks Cagey. I’d thought this was a video and an hour long and i thought “oh, please, you got to be kidding”. But then i realized it was just audio and i listened while i did some other stuff. I quite enjoyed it–very sharp and knowledgeable gent.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  165. @Dieter Kief

    America has become the chief source of sick social trends.
     
    When I was a kid, all kinds of lovely wonders came out of the USA: Hoola-Hoop, the superball, frisbee, skate-boards, Bonanza... - these things had a freshness and simplicity to it - just like rock'n'roll - even the early Dylan was not least light headed and funny. Kasey Kasem made my Saturdays near Heidelberg - it was great.

    Rap was the first pop-culture move I despised. - Not least - - irony of all ironies - a formula of the late Herbert Marcuse, who turned back to the classics in his little gem The Permanence of Art - immunized me against Rap - ah Marcuse's formula: To repressively de-sublimate things (I hope this translates backward from the Germana "repressive Entsubliminierung" in an understandable way). In plain and simple terms: There are ways to be free, which enslave people. Like Rap-music - for example. - So this was the beginning. But it did not get better over time and led to the general trend, you point out.

    Now - Germany is close behind. It might be the northern European/North-American West in general. I think at times of Douglas Murray's diagnosis in The Strange Death of Europe: There seems to be some kind of exhaustion now as the most dominant feeling around. The playfulness and the optimism - if I think of the moon landing - are gone.

    I recently took a holiday in a small European country and turned on the TV. One of the channels was showing back-to-back episodes of ‘Ridiculousness’. I watched this for a while (it went on for hours) and thought, what must these people think of America?

  166. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:

    I think the traditional age of consent in Judaism is 13? (The relevant Wikipedia articles tiptoe around this topic and imply without saying.) At any rate, it’s surely much lower than 16 or 18. Ditto for Islam.

    Both Jews and Muslims alike roll their eyes at the Christians and their moral panics over ‘underage’ sex.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Then Jews and Muslims should confine their sexual activities to their own women.
    , @Anonymous
    The Jews I went to school with said that religiously, old enough to bleed was old enough to breed but because their kind of Jews were civilized and law abiding not following the secular law on age of consent was a cause for shame plus legal sanctions.

    I fancied a particular Jewish girl in high school, we never seriously dated or had sex. She did ask if I was circumcised once. My dad put the kibosh on this relationship before it got started. Later I talked to another Jewish girl who was a friend of hers and she explained in her circles, it was okay for a single Jewish woman to have sex with a non-Jewish man she casually dated if he was circumcised and they used contraception, but not to marry him.

    Oral sex was permissible but discouraged because Jewish women just found it gross.

    When I became racially conscious I read Revilo Oliver and he documented exactly that what this Jewish woman said was the mainstream thinking among secular Jewish women. I realized the old guy knew whereof he spoke.
    , @Dissident

    Both Jews and Muslims alike roll their eyes at the Christians and their moral panics over ‘underage’ sex.
     
    I can't speak for Muslims but in so far as Jews are concerned, I would say your statement is misleading.

    1.) Among Jews that are more secular and generally liberally-oriented, many no doubt hold liberal views on age-of-consent laws and related matters involving post-pubescent, sexually mature adolescents. That much would only make sense and is no doubt true for non-Jews as well.

    2.) At the same time, many secular Jews are feminists and many feminists are anything-but-liberal on matters involving the sexuality of minors.

    3.) Attitudes on such matters among more religious, conservative, traditionalist and Right-wing Jews will tend to be similar to those held by Christians and other non-Jews that are religious, conservative and traditionalist.

    4.) When it comes to any question of sexual contact with clearly prepubescent children (i.e., actual pedophilia as the term is properly defined) then in all cases-- Jew or non-Jew, religious or secular, conservative or liberal-- I do not believe one can find more than a fringe who would find such behavior anything less than completely intolerable.

  167. @Old Palo Altan
    "It is still in Vienna." Your "so to speak" shows that have noticed how funny that phrase is, and how well it shows the limits of the elastic nature of language you so well described. As with a rubber band, the elasticity will only stretch so far.

    The building is pretty damned ugly anyway, wherever it still is.

    Wittgenstein’s house is a monument of asceticism. Asceticism was once Catholic, then became more and more Protestant (cf. Max Weber about Protestantism as the root cause for Capitalsim****). But the monk’s cells of the Karthäuser for example still represent this ascetic Catholic tradition. Wittgenstein was at times also a flagellant of sorts – quite Catholic too.

    http://www.haus-wittgenstein.at/

    I do see parallels between the white geometric purity as part of – the founding part of the Baroque Catholic Churches and Wittgenstein’s house as well. Another aspect: Of the Wittgenstein Haus – it goes straight up to the heavens – almost like an escalator – an Escalator Over the Hill – a form of inner-worldly ascetic transcendence, I’d say. – and – Purity.

    ****
    I’ ve learned from Marx, that the word caput is in capital and Capitalism – now, I don’t have to explain this one to you – would be interesting to see, if Max Weber knew about this lingusitic link between the Christian Tradition and Capitalism.

  168. @theMann
    I imagine commenters will have some fun with one.

    One technically correct observation: guys sleeping around is unsavory, women sleeping around is absolute devastation to a society.

    Oh no, double standard. Get over it



    And my personal favorite technically correct observation: really atrociously bad drivers are almost never White Males. Seriously, what is with that?

    One technically correct observation: guys sleeping around is unsavory, women sleeping around is absolute devastation to a society.

    With who are the “guys sleeping around” then?

  169. @Anonymous
    I think the traditional age of consent in Judaism is 13? (The relevant Wikipedia articles tiptoe around this topic and imply without saying.) At any rate, it's surely much lower than 16 or 18. Ditto for Islam.

    Both Jews and Muslims alike roll their eyes at the Christians and their moral panics over 'underage' sex.

    Then Jews and Muslims should confine their sexual activities to their own women.

  170. @theMann
    I imagine commenters will have some fun with one.

    One technically correct observation: guys sleeping around is unsavory, women sleeping around is absolute devastation to a society.

    Oh no, double standard. Get over it



    And my personal favorite technically correct observation: really atrociously bad drivers are almost never White Males. Seriously, what is with that?

    See Steve’s other recent piece about American pilots vs. Third World pilots. They don’t make ‘em like they used to.

    I recall that Heather McDonald has written about a study of racially-disproportionate stops for speeding. Turns out that blacks exceeded speed limits substantially more often than other groups. [ That’s a good example of Technically Correct information. ]

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    https://www.city-journal.org/html/racial-profiling-myth-debunked-9906.html
  171. @Liberty Mike
    Another illustration of the proposition:

    Where negroes congregate, crime and social dysfunction ensue.

    This: “Where negroes congregate, crime and social dysfunction ensue”, is technically INCORRECT.

    I once took a missionary trip through the Lesser Antilles Caribbean Islands as a missionary. They are overwhelmingly majority black and Christian and I never found such hospitable and peaceful people in the US, except maybe some of rural Missiuri, where my relatives are from.

    Blacks before Johnson’s Great Society folly, were better behaved in general than whites in some respects.

    While the leftist idiocy is just that, and Walter William’s is right in his writing on racial reality, you gotta think deeper than the Left does.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    These little Caribbean islands have very tough law-and-order regimes though. Police and judges don't go easy on criminals like they do in the U.S. or South Africa.
  172. @El Dato
    Selam's Medium stuff is solid gold.

    One friend joked that they have an email filter explicitly for Stallman’s emails, to always remove them from their inbox.

    Why do we tolerate this?

    Why do we allow the jokes and the comments and everything small to just ‘slide’?
     

    I think in "The Name of the Rose" this train of though resulted in murder and library burning.

    Why do we wait until it becomes bad and public and unbearable and people like me have to write posts like this?
     
    Um... about that...

    As Michelle Obama says, “they are not that smart”. Even in STEM fields, I have to agree.
     
    Ah, the housewife of the Indonesian President had an opinion on that? M'kay.

    (why does anyone even write on Medium, it demands that you have a Facebook or Google account ... surveillance capitalism I can has it!)
     Be sure to read the Richard Stallmann Removal Appendix.


    What I did not know when I wrote this post (again, being a software-ignorant mechanical engineer) was how it would touch a nerve with women in the free software community and computer science in general.
     
    https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88

    serbian_removal_music.mp3

    I'm no longer sure this isn't parody.

    Fair enough description. But he’s triumphant now, Stallman is out on his ass (you can be sure scientists across America are thinking “if it could happen to Stallman…” and trimming their sails appropriately), and we have the dubious satisfaction of making fun of the winner on an anonymous corner of the internet.

  173. @El Dato

    Except for Roman Polanski. His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced, technically under the age of consent but actually a mature eager participant. The fact that he had to drug her is irrelevant. And that DA investigator and judge were alll evil anti semites.
     
    These days in the jobs announcements:

    "looking for young full-stack programmer with 20+ years of experience"

    Tomorrow in the job announcements:

    "looking for 13-year old with deep & varied sexual experience"

    Fact: sadly, that kind of young woman is not quite as rare as one would wish.
    Also fact: that is no excuse at all.

  174. @theMann
    I imagine commenters will have some fun with one.

    One technically correct observation: guys sleeping around is unsavory, women sleeping around is absolute devastation to a society.

    Oh no, double standard. Get over it



    And my personal favorite technically correct observation: really atrociously bad drivers are almost never White Males. Seriously, what is with that?

    Unfortunately there are a lot of elderly white guys on the roads nowadays whose driving is often not the best.

  175. @DiogenesNYC
    See Steve’s other recent piece about American pilots vs. Third World pilots. They don’t make ‘em like they used to.

    I recall that Heather McDonald has written about a study of racially-disproportionate stops for speeding. Turns out that blacks exceeded speed limits substantially more often than other groups. [ That’s a good example of Technically Correct information. ]
  176. @jon

    The problem with that suggestion is that the phrase “technically correct” is often used to imply that something really doesn’t matter that much and that there is an underlying, more important truth.
     
    I agree with this. I like the idea of using the rhetorical retort of technically correct vs. politically correct, but I think something like "actually" might work better. I'll leave to the meme lords on here to come up with the best term.

    Or of one likes the sound of “TC”, why not “truly correct”?

  177. @lhtness
    I think of "technically correct" as being true, but misleading. e.g. something like "Darren Wilson shot and killed an unarmed black man who walking to his grandmother's house."

    An unarmed black teen wearing a little red cloak and carrying a basket of medicine and food through the woods to grandmas house.

  178. @Whiskey
    By all means let us put feelz of young women first. Since young women are so accomplished and wise. They never make bad choices with bad boys and demand society and beta males bail them out.

    Oh no.

    After all what is software freedom compared to woke capital and feelz of young women?

    Can’t you keep your sexual problems to yourself?

    UNZ isn’t a therapy group for those with sexual inadequacies and problems. Find a therapist, admit you’re gay.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Dissident

    UNZ isn’t a therapy group for those with sexual inadequacies and problems.
     
    Now you tell me...
  179. @Truthsayer
    This: "Where negroes congregate, crime and social dysfunction ensue", is technically INCORRECT.

    I once took a missionary trip through the Lesser Antilles Caribbean Islands as a missionary. They are overwhelmingly majority black and Christian and I never found such hospitable and peaceful people in the US, except maybe some of rural Missiuri, where my relatives are from.

    Blacks before Johnson's Great Society folly, were better behaved in general than whites in some respects.

    While the leftist idiocy is just that, and Walter William's is right in his writing on racial reality, you gotta think deeper than the Left does.

    These little Caribbean islands have very tough law-and-order regimes though. Police and judges don’t go easy on criminals like they do in the U.S. or South Africa.

  180. @Simply Simon
    So the title of "Duke" is gender neutral in royal speak?

    Elizabeth I would refer to herself as a Prince.

  181. @Alden
    Agree. Pedophilia ends at the 13th birthday.

    It’s probably because the media’s been referring to priests who molested teen age boys as pedophiles for about 20 years now.

    Except for Roman Polanski. His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced, technically under the age of consent but actually a mature eager participant. The fact that he had to drug her is irrelevant. And that DA investigator and judge were alll evil anti semites.

    Roman and Sharon Tate, beauty and the beast.

    His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced . . . .

    She was 12 and drugged without her knowledge.

  182. @ScarletNumber

    I’ve noticed that when I’ve pointed this out to people they often get annoyed
     
    As they should, since you are splitting hairs.

    Right. But his annoyed interlocutors, apoplectic when seventeen-year-olds do a thing, yet sanguine when eighteen-year-olds do the same thing, are by no means splitting hairs.

    Good grief….

  183. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I think the traditional age of consent in Judaism is 13? (The relevant Wikipedia articles tiptoe around this topic and imply without saying.) At any rate, it's surely much lower than 16 or 18. Ditto for Islam.

    Both Jews and Muslims alike roll their eyes at the Christians and their moral panics over 'underage' sex.

    The Jews I went to school with said that religiously, old enough to bleed was old enough to breed but because their kind of Jews were civilized and law abiding not following the secular law on age of consent was a cause for shame plus legal sanctions.

    I fancied a particular Jewish girl in high school, we never seriously dated or had sex. She did ask if I was circumcised once. My dad put the kibosh on this relationship before it got started. Later I talked to another Jewish girl who was a friend of hers and she explained in her circles, it was okay for a single Jewish woman to have sex with a non-Jewish man she casually dated if he was circumcised and they used contraception, but not to marry him.

    Oral sex was permissible but discouraged because Jewish women just found it gross.

    When I became racially conscious I read Revilo Oliver and he documented exactly that what this Jewish woman said was the mainstream thinking among secular Jewish women. I realized the old guy knew whereof he spoke.

    • Replies: @Dissident

    The Jews I went to school with said that religiously, old enough to bleed was old enough to breed but because their kind of Jews were civilized and law abiding not following the secular law on age of consent was a cause for shame plus legal sanctions.
     
    Religiously (i.e., according to Judaic law; halakah), the only sexual contact permitted is within marriage. (And a Jew can only marry a Jewess.) While technically, according to the letter of the law, a girl who can menstruate can marry, it has been a very long time since that was anything close to being accepted practice.

    Later I talked to another Jewish girl who was a friend of hers and she explained in her circles, it was okay for a single Jewish woman to have sex with a non-Jewish man she casually dated if he was circumcised and they used contraception, but not to marry him.
     

    When I became racially conscious I read Revilo Oliver and he documented exactly that what this Jewish woman said was the mainstream thinking among secular Jewish women. I realized the old guy knew whereof he spoke.
     
    It's difficult to see how what you describe could in fact be "mainstream thinking among secular Jewish women" when the reality is that the number of such women who marry non-Jews is remarkably high. The highly limited, entirely anecdotal experience of an individual (such as you described for yourself) hardly constitutes a credible basis for drawing the broad conclusions about an entire population that you did.

    Oral sex was permissible but discouraged because Jewish women just found it gross.
     
    Aren't most women, period, disgusted by fellatio?

    (To the extent that people, at least those below a certain age, may think otherwise, I would suggest that the influence of porn is most likely to blame.)

  184. @Ancient Briton
    Starts as an ideal; turns into a business; ends up as a racket. [citation needed]

    Starts as an ideal; turns into a business; ends up as a racket. [citation needed]

    Eric Hoffer, IIRC

  185. @Alden
    Agree. Pedophilia ends at the 13th birthday.

    It’s probably because the media’s been referring to priests who molested teen age boys as pedophiles for about 20 years now.

    Except for Roman Polanski. His 13 year old was eager and sexually experienced, technically under the age of consent but actually a mature eager participant. The fact that he had to drug her is irrelevant. And that DA investigator and judge were alll evil anti semites.

    Roman and Sharon Tate, beauty and the beast.

    It’s probably because the media’s been referring to priests who molested teen age boys as pedophiles for about 20 years now.

    Media couldn’t describe priests sexually abusing post-pubescent boys as the gay or homosexual scandal it was, as that would bring attention on gays, rather than tarnishing the church (the true media agenda) with pedophilia.

  186. @Anonymous
    The Jews I went to school with said that religiously, old enough to bleed was old enough to breed but because their kind of Jews were civilized and law abiding not following the secular law on age of consent was a cause for shame plus legal sanctions.

    I fancied a particular Jewish girl in high school, we never seriously dated or had sex. She did ask if I was circumcised once. My dad put the kibosh on this relationship before it got started. Later I talked to another Jewish girl who was a friend of hers and she explained in her circles, it was okay for a single Jewish woman to have sex with a non-Jewish man she casually dated if he was circumcised and they used contraception, but not to marry him.

    Oral sex was permissible but discouraged because Jewish women just found it gross.

    When I became racially conscious I read Revilo Oliver and he documented exactly that what this Jewish woman said was the mainstream thinking among secular Jewish women. I realized the old guy knew whereof he spoke.

    The Jews I went to school with said that religiously, old enough to bleed was old enough to breed but because their kind of Jews were civilized and law abiding not following the secular law on age of consent was a cause for shame plus legal sanctions.

    Religiously (i.e., according to Judaic law; halakah), the only sexual contact permitted is within marriage. (And a Jew can only marry a Jewess.) While technically, according to the letter of the law, a girl who can menstruate can marry, it has been a very long time since that was anything close to being accepted practice.

    Later I talked to another Jewish girl who was a friend of hers and she explained in her circles, it was okay for a single Jewish woman to have sex with a non-Jewish man she casually dated if he was circumcised and they used contraception, but not to marry him.

    When I became racially conscious I read Revilo Oliver and he documented exactly that what this Jewish woman said was the mainstream thinking among secular Jewish women. I realized the old guy knew whereof he spoke.

    It’s difficult to see how what you describe could in fact be “mainstream thinking among secular Jewish women” when the reality is that the number of such women who marry non-Jews is remarkably high. The highly limited, entirely anecdotal experience of an individual (such as you described for yourself) hardly constitutes a credible basis for drawing the broad conclusions about an entire population that you did.

    Oral sex was permissible but discouraged because Jewish women just found it gross.

    Aren’t most women, period, disgusted by fellatio?

    (To the extent that people, at least those below a certain age, may think otherwise, I would suggest that the influence of porn is most likely to blame.)

  187. @Alden
    Can’t you keep your sexual problems to yourself?

    UNZ isn’t a therapy group for those with sexual inadequacies and problems. Find a therapist, admit you’re gay.

    UNZ isn’t a therapy group for those with sexual inadequacies and problems.

    Now you tell me…

  188. @Anonymous
    I think the traditional age of consent in Judaism is 13? (The relevant Wikipedia articles tiptoe around this topic and imply without saying.) At any rate, it's surely much lower than 16 or 18. Ditto for Islam.

    Both Jews and Muslims alike roll their eyes at the Christians and their moral panics over 'underage' sex.

    Both Jews and Muslims alike roll their eyes at the Christians and their moral panics over ‘underage’ sex.

    I can’t speak for Muslims but in so far as Jews are concerned, I would say your statement is misleading.

    1.) Among Jews that are more secular and generally liberally-oriented, many no doubt hold liberal views on age-of-consent laws and related matters involving post-pubescent, sexually mature adolescents. That much would only make sense and is no doubt true for non-Jews as well.

    2.) At the same time, many secular Jews are feminists and many feminists are anything-but-liberal on matters involving the sexuality of minors.

    3.) Attitudes on such matters among more religious, conservative, traditionalist and Right-wing Jews will tend to be similar to those held by Christians and other non-Jews that are religious, conservative and traditionalist.

    4.) When it comes to any question of sexual contact with clearly prepubescent children (i.e., actual pedophilia as the term is properly defined) then in all cases– Jew or non-Jew, religious or secular, conservative or liberal– I do not believe one can find more than a fringe who would find such behavior anything less than completely intolerable.

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