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Plane Violence is like Gun Violence. We need Plane Control Now.

 
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  1. I’m surprised they didn’t go with ‘Demolition erupted at the World Trade Center . . .’.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  2. Barnard says:

    I read that the Times deleted this tweet without comment after the well deserved backlash.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  3. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:

    Its like expecting honesty from the Devil.

  4. You can tell they are scared. NYT: “9-11 was very boring, almost as boring as Jefferey whats his name.”

  5. Lagertha says:

    And, planes will never be the source of the weapons they deplore on our lives, again, hahahhaahhaaaa. The perpetrators of those planes will be on our minds for a long time until we get the answers (which are hidden from us by the DOJ at this time). AND, the dual citizens of the USA who planned this macabre event of the century, are already, on the minds of the parents and families who must use commercial planes everyday – we are in the millions. Fuck You, mean people who want to rule us! we will not forget!

  6. BenKenobi says:

    At least they didn’t try to say the aircraft were hijacked by “Florida men”

  7. nsa says:

    Anyone care to actually explain WTC7? A little smoke from a few windows and then down it goes. Makes no sense at all. Same for the initial 20′ diameter hole in the Pentagon facade supposedly caused by a 757 airliner. Where are the wings, turbines, fin, elevators? They could not have fit through the hole.

    • LOL: NickG, Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Oddsbodkins
  8. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:

    A great movie idea.

    In Spielberg’s DUEL, some rogue truck chases after some guy.

    In the hypothetical plane movie, the A.I. of a plane goes crazy, and the plane begins to fly threatening all over the skies.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  9. @BenKenobi

    At least they didn’t try to say the aircraft were hijacked by “Florida men”

    Or by yoots.

    • LOL: jim jones
  10. istevefan says:

    It’s not surprising given how they use similar language to cover other events. For years they’ve described victims of minority crime as being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They’ve taken to calling black thugs ‘youths’. And recently they’ve begun to describe trucks that suddenly drive into crowds. Or describe those killed in Sri Lanka as Easter worshipers. We also had that poor gal who got into the wrong Uber car and was unable to get out when the door locks activated, and she later was found dead.

    We ought to start using similar language when discussing issues near and dear to the left.

  11. MEH 0910 says:
    @Barnard

    I read that the Times deleted this tweet without comment after the well deserved backlash.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Jack D
  12. newrouter says:

    Plame violence works if you are Scooter Libby.

  13. MEH 0910 says:
    @Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killdozer!_(film)

    Killdozer 1974 ABC TV Movie Commercial

    A rare commercial for the 1974 made-for-television movie KILLDOZER starring Clint Walker and Robert Urich. Construction workers on a small Pacific island fight to survive when a meteorite brings a bulldozer to life for a murderous rampage.

  14. J.Ross says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Well ya know there was a high level employee of the famous international company Controlled Demolition who responded to part of an interview —
    and then asked to not be named and refused all knowledge and claimed to have made a mistake. Because, ya know, of all our. Ya know. Because of the reason they hate us.
    Because of our freedoms.

  15. J.Ross says:
    @MEH 0910

    We must never forget, 4*4*6, Granby, CO.
    Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.
    https://badgerhoundsupply.com/product/killdozer-patch/
    A corrupt city council thinks they can prey on a working man. He applies his skills with extreme prejudice to their mcmansions. This isn’t a movie but two $^&@ who *&%& off into a sliced peach is an Oscar contender. Maybe we need another Komatsu.

  16. @nsa

    Mossad blew up WTC7 because it contained evidence that they killed JFK.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @Alfa158
  17. Every morning i try and wakeup from the bad dream …

    But no, it’s real. I really do like in clown world.

  18. J says:

    ‘Airplanes took aim’.

    I never knew that airplanes had hands.

  19. unit472 says:
    @MEH 0910

    I think that was a ‘clone’ of Steven Spielberg’s first movie ‘Duel’ where Dennis Weaver is relentlessly pursued by a dirty gasoline tanker through the desert.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  20. @unit472

    Killdozer is an old SF story. Kinda like Duel was originally a short story.

  21. Well, they do have a ban on civilians owning military-style assault planes.

    • Replies: @Lot
  22. I’m surprised they didn’t say “planes rang out”.

  23. The USA landing two men on the Moon over 50 years ago was pretty amazing. And then we got them home. And did it again five more times.

    –iStweet

    Getting them to the moon was the easy part. Getting them back was what was amazing.

    This was also the case in the Age of Exploration. Ask Magellan’s crew.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  24. The planes might have taken aim, but the Earth’s gravity did all the heavy lifting … er, pulling. If there should be a war on anything, it should be on the Earth, but instead, just like increasing the number of Muslim immigrants ro the US since 2001, they tell us we must do more to protect the Earth.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  25. @Reg Cæsar

    The USA landing two men on the Moon over 50 years ago was pretty amazing. And then we got them home. And did it again five more times.

    –iStweet

    Getting them to the moon was the easy part. Getting them back was what was amazing.

    This was also the case in the Age of Exploration. Ask Magellan’s crew.

    No, the amazing thing was faking the Lunar Landings on a soundstage and keeping everybody involved mum for five decades.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  26. @Oddsbodkins

    I just know that some part of that sentence is true,
    but I’ll be danged if I know which part.

  27. Pericles says:
    @istevefan

    A hijacking gone tragically wrong.

  28. Lot says:
    @Redneck farmer

    “Well, they do have a ban on civilians owning military-style assault planes.“

    If that’s what you’ve been told, your arms dealer sucks.

    Steve Sailer recommends Botach Tactical.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  29. Kronos says:
    @BenKenobi

    They should’ve went with the “toxic masculinity” route. Not to many high profile female suicide bombers.

    Also, wasn’t the 9/11 kill count around 3000? (I know that’s not including those who later died from lung-related illness.)

    NYT tried to shave off nearly 1000 deaths in that message.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks

  30. Kronos says:
    @MEH 0910

    There are some mean (and hilarious) 9/11 memes out there.

  31. @istevefan

    We ought to start using similar language when discussing issues near and dear to the left.

    “In 1619, ships brought Africans to the shores of America, where they had to work hard.”

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
  32. @MEH 0910

    No doubt this movie inspired Marvin Heemeyer.

  33. “where more than 2000 people died”

    While technically true, this approximation is way off the actually number. It leads me to believe the 23 year old POC female that wrote it probably has no idea what the more accurate approximation should be and was too lazy or apathetic to spend 20 seconds looking it up.

    “Today, June 6th, we remember D-Day, where more than, uh, 15 soldiers died storming the beaches at Nordstrom…. Like, there must’ve been a clearance! LOL”

  34. Mr. Anon says:
    @istevefan

    The World Trade Centers were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  35. In El Paso, some guns did something.

  36. Wilkey says:

    Well we can’t go around offending an entire group of people based on what a mere handful of them did a long time ago, can we?

    Meanwhile, did you hear about that time when every white Southerner murdered Emmett Till? If we haven’t mentioned it in the last few hours we should probably mention it now.

  37. Wilkey says:
    @MEH 0910

    “Nearly 3,000 people were lost…”

    Did they get lost while camping or something?

    “Yeah man, we were all just up backpacking in the high Uintas and 3,000 people from our group just wandered off the trail and we never found any of them. So weird.”

  38. mmack says:
    @MEH 0910

    And to think twelve years later Stephen King expanded that into Maximum Overdrive, which gave us AC/DC’s song Who Made Who?

  39. El Dato says:
    @The Alarmist

    Especially as a year earlier, Spielberg couldn’t even film entirely convincing space scenes. The advance in trickery in just 1 year was cool. Must have been all that CGI.

  40. Jack D says:
    @MEH 0910

    Oh, much better. Passive voice to the rescue.

    How about “after nearly 3,000 people were murdered by Saudi funded Muslim fanatics”?

  41. Some planes did something.

    Note also how they diminish the number of dead by making it “more than 2000,” when just shy of 3000 innocent people were massacred.

    Still, while we are since then entangled in perpetual Middle Eastern wars and our Constitutional rights are abused, the question hangs in the air like a plane: Cui bono?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Jack D
  42. @Buzz Mohawk

    Note also how they diminish the number of dead by making it “more than 2000,” when just shy of 3000 innocent people were massacred.

    We’re tawkin’ New Yorkers here… I was about to make a really tasteless joke along the lines of a well known one about lawyers, but I decided to drop it.

    BTW, back in the days of Mayor Dinkins, 3k was 1.5 years’ worth of murders, which were at roughly 2k per annum. In 2001, it was still only 4.5 times 2001’s murder count.

  43. Jack D says:

    Yes they got called on it (that part was good) but they didn’t apologize and no one resigned from their job.

    We’ve deleted an earlier tweet to this story and have edited for clarity.

    That’s all. The earlier tweet is memory holed and here is a slightly better tweet that is slightly less objectionable than the 1st one but still doesn’t compromise our principles or adopt the other side’s position. We were over at -10 and now that you have pressed us, we moved to -9 but that’s as far as we are going and we don’t admit any wrongdoing.

    The right needs to learn how to do this. Instead, if the right crosses some leftist red line then they have to grovel and apologize and the malfeasor has to lose his job and the replacement item has to adopt the Leftist position verbatim – we LOVE trannies. Not only are we not against them, we positively love them. From now on we will only use their preferred pronouns and never utter their deadnames again and we will trumpet our love for them daily.

    And how does the Left impose this? They don’t – this is completely an own goal. The governor of VA stonewalled after blackfacegate and there was nothing they could do to him. “Pressure” is just hot air and you are free to ignore hot air. Just tell them to fuck off, implicitly, as the NY Times just did. But the “respectable” right folds like a cheap suit, time after time. They are afraid of not being invited to cocktail parties or something.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  44. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Cui bono? I’d say the Iranians in Iraq and the Pakistanis in Afghanistan. Maybe the Saudis and the Russians.

    If you are thinking the Joos, not really. What did Israel get out of the Afghanistan War? Getting rid of the Iraqi missile threat was good but this only strengthened the hand of the Persians, their ancient regional enemy. The former situation where Iran and Iraq were kept busy and distracted killing each other’s people was much better. If they could have kept the Iran-Iraq War going forever, that would have been great.

  45. Alfa158 says:
    @Oddsbodkins

    I thought it was the CIA. That was one of my favorite wacky theories about the 9/11 attack.
    The CIA murdered JFK. (Presumably for what? Maybe being a competing acronym?).

    After the operation is complete the Agency now has transcripts, memos, planning documents, films, photos, personnel files, expense reports etc. The question is how to destroy the evidence and cover up the crime. The Company has two options.

    1. Shred all that stuff and burn it.

    2. -When the WTC is being built hide it all in the basement of WTC 7.
    -Put Federal Reserve gold bullion in the basement as a red herring motive for destroying the building in case anyone figures out that the building was deliberately destroyed.
    – During construction cover the girders of the buildings with “nano-thermite” and pre-wire them with explosives.
    – Thirty years later run a false flag attack on the WTC. Make the target the main towers so no one will know WTC 7 is the real object of the exercise.
    – Blow the main towers and set WTC 7 on fire as if it was caused by the main towers burning.
    – Blow WTC 7.
    – The evidence on the Kennedy assassination is now safely destroyed.

    I’ve seen narratives seriously proposing that the CIA looked at options 1 and 2 and went with option 2.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Jack D
  46. @Jack D

    And now we are on the march to Iran.

    Our response to 9/11 certainly damaged us, with the resulting debt, foreign entanglements, and erosion of our liberties. If that was an enemy’s plan, it worked, but at the same time it caused us to decimate Israel’s neighbors, throw that whole circle into chaos and plant our men there permanently.

    Joos? I dunno about Joos. I do know that Muslim countries do not have the highest average IQ, and that they therefore are more capable than our country of doing things that backfire on them. In this instance, though, America screwed itself by reacting the way it did.

    Cui bono? I don’t know, but apparently Bibi does:

    The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

    “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”

    Foreign Policy Magazine, April 16, 2008

    • Replies: @Jack D
  47. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Cui bono does not equal causation. Actual benefit is an ex post facto thing – as you say, people do stuff that backfires on them, so who you THINK will benefit by starting a war and who actually ends up benefitting are often two different things. Hitler thought that he’d benefit from WWII but the US ended up being one of the biggest beneficiaries and Hitler ended up dead so deciding who started WWII according to cui bono would get you a totally wrong answer.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  48. Jack D says:
    @Alfa158

    This seems like a lot of trouble . Couldn’t they just have shredded the documents and called it a day? This is like the stuff that James Bond villains do and it always backfires on them because James Bond intervenes before they can complete STEP 11 of their nefarious plan involving a hollowed out volcano.

  49. @Jack D

    So I guess police detectives and various other kinds of investigators should just stop using cui bono then. Scientists know the fallacy of post hoc ergo proctor hoc, but they look for correlations all the time — and investigators ask cui bono to put suspects on their list.

    Thanks for another obvious lecture though. I really needed it, and I will never suspect Israel of doing anything in its own interest again — and 9/11 did turn out to be in Israel’s interest, as you just implicitly conceded even though earlier you stated that it didn’t.

    I have no further questions.

    BTW there were several beneficiaries, inside and outside the US, and indeed it is possible that none of them, not even Israel, had anything to do with it. I would not benefit from being misunderstood, so I don’t want my comments to backfire on me.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  50. @Lot

    Steve Sailer recommends Botach Tactical.

    Eh, they’ll try to sell you a Black Botha as a F-15.

  51. @Buzz Mohawk

    So I guess police detectives and various other kinds of investigators should just stop using cui bono then. Scientists know the fallacy of post hoc ergo proctor hoc, but they look for correlations all the time — and investigators ask cui bono to put suspects on their list.

    Nah, point is Cui Bono is a very useful heuristic in single variable , simple scenarios. Cookie jar missing cookie, 5 year old with sweet tooth, C.B. will yield correct solution at very high rate. As complexity increases C.B. becomes less reliable. In multi national scenarios with hundreds of players and thousands of contingent variables, accurate predictions become impossible ,thus C.B. next to worthless.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  52. @kaganovitch

    Just to clarify; People being as they are and hubris being what it is, this doesn’t prevent people from making complex , triple bank shot plans to dominate the World etc.,etc. It just means that surveying the wreckage in such cases for C.B. doesn’t yield very useful causal information.

  53. @Jack D

    That’s because the good right is even more virtue conscious than the good left, so Progressives play it like a banjo. If the alt right wants electoral support from the good right it needs to convince it that eliminating immigration and affirmative action is virtuous and praiseworthy.

  54. @Jack D

    What did Israel get out of the Afghanistan War? Getting rid of the Iraqi missile threat was good but this only strengthened the hand of the Persians, their ancient regional enemy.

    LOL, a massive and never-ending deployment of American military assets around the Middle East, how could that possibly benefit Israel?

    If they could have kept the Iran-Iraq War going forever, that would have been great.

    Yeah, instead Iraq has been neutered by internecine squabbling and Kurdish separatism brought on by an American invasion led by a veritable who’s-who of Tay-sachs carriers, while Israel and an entire Western press full of foreskin-nibblers has tenaciously fought tooth and nail to keep the Syrian war going, tying down Iranian forces who might otherwise be laying pipe to the IDF in Lebanon.

    Absolutely shameless; I’d almost believe you have to post like this through a hole in a sheet. You add a new level to let’s you and him fight. At least have the stones to admit when you get the lollipop you’ve been begging for.

  55. @Harry Baldwin

    In a case of wrong continent at wrong time plantations went bad and undocumented labor rang out

  56. anonn says:

    This is obviously a dumb tweet, but after 9/11 we almost immediately changed everything about air travel and airport security. This was very inconvenient for air travelers, but because of that “plane control” similar attacks haven’t been successful.

    People who travel by air are a much more important group than gun nuts, but we have several 9/11’s worth of deaths every year , almost all of which are committed by white, male, christian conservatives, and yet we are unable to contemplate doing anything about this. Right wing lunatics’ freedom to own military weapons designed for massacres is sacrosanct… air travel, not so much.

    • Replies: @black sea
  57. black sea says:
    @anonn

    . . . we have several 9/11’s worth of deaths every year , almost all of which are committed by white, male, christian conservatives

    Fail.

    Around here, you’re going to have to do better than this.

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