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The brilliant term “Fauxcohontas” appears to have been coined by Mark Steyn around May 4, 2012. But you’ll notice that Donald Trump didn’t use this multilingual neologism, instead reverting to the more straightforward “Pocohontas.”

Now somebody (who?) has come up with the great “Picohontas.”

My guess is that Trump will never, ever use “Picohontas.” This has a double utility to Trump. By not using it, Trump doesn’t alienate the vast percentage of voters who don’t know that “pico” means “one-trillionth.” (I personally guessed it meant one-billionth.)

But also, because Trump doesn’t use a supremely clever insult, he lures in the Establishment Media to insult him as a low brow and thus keep the controversy alive on Trump’s terms: that Senator Warren isn’t very Indian.

 
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  1. Tucker Carlson’s Fake-ajawea was also good.

    • Replies: @Paul Yarbles
    How about Scintillaofjawea?
  2. Warren handed Trump a free option. He can use “Pocahontas” or numbers from her DNA test, or both. The numbers are almost as funny and cannot be called racist no matter how often repeated. . It’s easy to imagine a stand-up routine at rallies where he introduces the subject with Pocahontas and follows it with an extended riff on numbers, Cherokees and Harvard Law.

  3. You mean “Nanohontas.”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  4. No: A “gigahontas” would be a billion hontases. One one-billionth of a hontas would be a “nanohontas.”

  5. A billionth would be “nanohontas”, ACKSHUALLY.

  6. One billionth would be Nanohontas. Giga multiplies by one billion.

  7. Try “nanohontas.” Giga = 1 billion.

  8. One billionth would be Nanohontas.

  9. I prefer “Heap Big Chief Lizzie Flying Bull.”

  10. > (I personally guessed it [pico-] meant one-billionth, but that of course would be “Gigahontas.”)

    LOL. Very meta, Steve, intentionally or not.

    I’d guess about half of your readers can distinguish giga- from nano-. Most of the remainder would figure it out, if they had reason to care.

    But, more germane to the post’s theme, who’s the pedant here, Steve or ic1000? 😉

    • Agree: Desiderius, res
  11. Millihontas? That’s pretty close to 1 part in 1024.

    Trump always talks to the level of average people with his insults. The advantage of “Fauxcohontas” is that it’s kind of a dog whistle meant to irritate Democrats, who imagine themselves to be better educated than regular people. They get those French phrases, don’t you know.

  12. A billionth of a Pocahontas would be a Nanohontas. Elizabeth Warren, of course, is a Millihontas. The following might work

    “Okay, so Senator Pocahontas is what, a thousandth part Indian, maybe? A teeny-tiny bit? Alright, okay, she’s not Pocahontas. She’s Tinyhontas.”

    • Replies: @ic1000
    Sorry, bad timing. Care to join me? ;-)
    , @Cowboy shaw
    Homeohontas.
  13. > that Senator Warren isn’t very Indian.

    Dit Trump or an advisor understand that the Cherokee Nation’s leadership would have powerful motivations to take his side on this issue, or is this another example of Trump’s Luck?

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    The Cherokee Nation jealously guards its membership rolls. Membership hath its privileges. They aren't going to make an exception for just any old whiney white woman who will never become president.

    I doubt Trump expected the Nation to weigh in on his side.

    But Trump makes his own luck by constantly being on the attack. As another patriot said "de l'audace, encore de l'audace, et toujours de l'audace et la Patrie sera sauvée! "

  14. @PiltdownMan
    A billionth of a Pocahontas would be a Nanohontas. Elizabeth Warren, of course, is a Millihontas. The following might work

    "Okay, so Senator Pocahontas is what, a thousandth part Indian, maybe? A teeny-tiny bit? Alright, okay, she's not Pocahontas. She's Tinyhontas."

    Sorry, bad timing. Care to join me? 😉

  15. I personally guessed it meant one-billionth, but that of course would be “Gigahontas

    Of course it would not. One billionth would be nanohontas. A Giga is one billion.

  16. Anon[352] • Disclaimer says:

    Too much thinking isn’t alpha brah. It feels like too much thinking went into it.

    Trump is very smart, but he knows how to talk to a broad audience, and he generally prefers to sound “real” and “tough” like a blue collar New Yawkah, than like a smarmy worthless academic. There are many people who will never get this. Most people try to sound higher class and more educated than they actually are.

    • Agree: Abe, Bubba, Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @Abe

    Trump is very smart, but he knows how to talk to a broad audience, and he generally prefers to sound “real” and “tough” like a blue collar New Yawkah, than like a smarmy worthless academic.
     
    John Kerry during his infamous testimony to Congress on the atrocities supposedly committed by fellow GI’s back when he was simply a young vet severely undercut his own effectiveness by comparing what he had seen to the works of “Gin”ghis (as in gin blossom) Khan. Didn’t help it was all delivered in a fruity accent less like a man who had just arrived from the jungles of hell and more like a man impatient to get going to Scarborough Fair (quick, before the rosemary and thyme become stale!) while playing GREENSLEEVES on his portable 8 track all the way there.
    , @martin2
    I completely agree about too much thinking in humour tending to alienate an audience. The Monty Python team understood this. which is why they had such appeal. They were Oxbridge graduates but they never showed off any esoteric knowledge in their sketches. A good example is the International Philosophy Cup Final.
  17. I wanted to make a joke about “Picojones”, but I can’t come up with a good target. Aside from some old buffoons like Alec Baldwin and Robert DeNiro and the GOPe, the left is really running on grrl power…

    Hillary
    Elizabeth Warren
    Kamala Harris
    Feinstein
    Hirono
    Ocasio-Cortez
    Merkel
    Theresa May
    Ford & McLean
    Rachel Maddow
    almost every cable news anchor
    #MeToo actresses
    Taylor Swift
    Naomi Osaka
    Sarah Jeong

    I’m sure the list could be longer.
    Dare we add all the trannies?
    Also, hysteria and mob mentality.

    It’s women’s moment. I hope they are proud of it when it’s over.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Grand unified Becky theory:

    Beckys expect the distribution of intelligence/competence in grown-ups to mirror the popularity/attractiveness distribution they enjoyed after hitting puberty.

    When reality doesn’t cooperate, hysteria ensues. Exacerbated by counterintuitive phenomena produced by the tails of those distributions.

    We’re all Larry Summers now.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    um,

    Gillebrand?
    Serena Williams?


    I have decided we do not include Justin Trudeau, who goes on the list of representing persons with intellectual disability.

    , @Tiny Duck
    Black Men provide the muscle

    They dominate athletics entertainment and sex.

    white boys cannot compete!
  18. Should be Nanohontas. Giga means billion, nano means billionth.

  19. Would you kindly revise that final sentence?

  20. With his minor superpower of being able to discover and exploit zero-day vulnerabilities in the establishment’s rules of engagement, Drumpf is basically Tyler Durden, if Durden doesn’t need to look like Peak Brad Pitt.

  21. I think by now we’re sort of arriving at Punkahontas.

    Hoaxahontas?

    If she had claimed to be trans she’d be Blokeahontas.

    There’s always Jokeahontas.

    Also LOLcahontas.

    Chances are the voters will say No-cahontas.

    And don’t forget Quid-pro-quocahontas.

    Wow, more in there than I thought.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    If she had claimed to be trans she’d be Blokeahontas.
     
    After she gets tromped in the election, she can go by Brokeahontas. That silly Jamoka-hontas, she ain't much of a Wokeahontas. She should just spend some time in the sweat lodge as Soakahontas, then back into the tee-pee to smoke a hontas with little sister squaw Tokeahontas. This election year is a year ending in a multiple of 20, so she should take heed she doesn't end up as Croakahontas.

    Thank, you thank you, I'll be here till end-o-bidness day....

    Dr. Achmed E. Suess
  22. A billionth would actually be nano. Giga is just a billion.

  23. Democrats are the fastest growing political group in the US. They’re having more children, 50% or so younger generations are Democrats and remain so as they age, Democrats are moving to Republican dominated states and most People of Color are Liberal.

    As to warren she probably has more Ancestry of Color that we just don’t know about

    People of Color will remember the evil of you white men and respond accordingly

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    TD, In the best selling book, "Lonesome Dove" there was a fierce Indian character named Blue Duck. I think you would like to blue him.
    , @It's All Ball Bearings
    El Pequeno Duck. Nano Duck. Duck Face.
    , @Lurker
    My dear chap, do put a sock in it.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Fecund Dem-sprouts are being massively imported, you duck-billed platitude, and farmed in the .gov-subsidized petri dish of manufactured consent. You clearly are one of nature's genetic culs-de-sac. Here's to your impending yeast-like self-extinction.
    , @Prester John
    Trolling again, eh quakster?
  24. @PiltdownMan
    A billionth of a Pocahontas would be a Nanohontas. Elizabeth Warren, of course, is a Millihontas. The following might work

    "Okay, so Senator Pocahontas is what, a thousandth part Indian, maybe? A teeny-tiny bit? Alright, okay, she's not Pocahontas. She's Tinyhontas."

    Homeohontas.

  25. OT but if anyone is from France, is this actually true or just very dramatic?

    The article almost predicts civil war in France in the near future. It is also from a generally undramatic source.

    The retiring French Interior Minister said this:

    ““The situation is very difficult and the phrase ‘Reconquering the Republic” is apt because in these districts it’s the law of the strongest that reigns, that of the drug dealers and radical Islamists, which has supplanted the Republic.”

    Despite all of Britain’s problems, this is much worse than here.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/france-is-fracturing-but-macron-remains-in-denial/

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
    I am in France atm and went to Saint Dennis for a look around yesterday. It's interesting to say the least. Paris seems pretty crazy right now.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I'm not in France at the moment, but we watch the French news almost every night and read the alternative French press. The situation is truly scary. Yesterday police searched (beginning at 7 a.m.) the offices and apartment of opposition leader Jean-Luc Melenchon, alleging that they were looking for evidence of corruption (fake European Parliament employees) and election campaign finance irregularities. Another opposition leader was searched, but I don't recall the name. Marine le Pen has already been subject to criminal prosecutions on similar grounds. Some commentators are speculating that French President Emmanuel Macron is becoming paranoid about European Parliament elections to be held next May. It's very worrying whenever police and prosecutors are used against opposition political leaders.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/16/leftist-french-leader-jean-luc-melenchon-broadcasts-police-search/

    The only advantage in France to the U.K. that I can see is that there is a political party (Rassemblement Nationale) that explicitly opposes the policies leading to the rapid deterioration of France. There's nothing similar of the same size in the U.K.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I'm definitely not from France, but I have written about its demographics. Here's my best guess for the make-up of children being born in France now:

    ~20% Muslim
    ~5%-8% Non-Muslim African
    ~3% other non-whites
    ~70% white

    (This is fairly conservative, btw.)

    Throw in differing birthrates but assume that they converge over the next 20 years, and here would be France's birth demographics in 20 years:

    ~25% Muslim
    ~8%-10% African
    ~5% other non-White
    ~60% White

    Throw in low immigration (~60k a year) that slowly falls to zero over the next couple of decades and the numbers go to this:

    ~33% Muslim
    ~12% African
    ~6% other non-White
    ~50% White

    I'd suspect that the last set of numbers would be a good best guess for the make-up of births in France in 20 to 25 years. Regardless, the best that France can hope for is that it's someday only a quarter Muslim and ~10% African, but even those numbers spell doom.

    I find it hard to believe that a country that is 25% to 33% Muslim and 8% to 12% African can function as a Western society. Possible, I suppose, but unlikely.

    The Whites in the United States are stupid, but the Whites in France are suicidally insane. Mexicans and Asians are one thing. Middle East Muslims and Africans are another.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Tyrion, I thought we were told that the diversity of the World Cup winning French soccer team meant everything was good in France.
  26. Yikes. I was busy editing and didn’t pay attention to your post, minutes earlier. No offense.

    While I’m stuck in that frame of mind…

    If Elizabeth Warren is of average build (which she appears to be) and she were to drink a couple of shots of bourbon, she’d be more whiskey than Cherokee.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Failface

    Shitting Bull

  27. Trump Say Cheekbones Warren Woman Cheat And Lie About Her Diversity To Make Big Clams

    Trump Say He No Want To Go Anywhere Near Clam Of Warren — Believe Him

    Trump Say Cheekbones Warren Woman Move Mouth And Strange Things Come Out

    Trump Say Warren Woman Has Told No Truth About Harvard And Diversity

    American White Tribe Say Cheekbones Woman Warren And Harvard Hate America

    Tweets from 2014:

  28. In case anyone is interested, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix
    has a nice table of prefixes like
    k (kilo) = thousand (10^3)
    M (mega-) = million (10^6)
    G (giga-) = billion (10^9)
    T (tera-) = trillion (10^12)
    P (peta-) = 10^15
    And on the smaller side,
    m (milli-) = thousandth (10^(-3))
    (micro-) = millionth (10^(-6))
    n (nano-) = billionth (10^(-9))
    p (pico-) = trillionth (10^(-12))
    f (femto-) = 10^(-15)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm an iSteve reader - I got that memorized. That's who we are.
  29. Ryan Dawson says Indians use the term pretendians to describe such people.

  30. Trump should change it up now to “One Drop Warren. ” This is a reference to the evil days of Jim Crow of course but it also shows the absurdity of Affirmative Action when whites like Warren game the system to the disadvantage of actual minorities. This will result in minorities pulling away from Warren to protect their special carve outs which is already happening with Cherokee, LTD.

    Bonus: it emphasizes that race is biological and measurable through a simple blood test.

    White women are the key to winning the next election like they were in the last. Democrats need to be seen as protecting minorities at the expense of whites, especially white women and children. The more minorities continue to attack the Beckies, the more Beckies will vote for Daddy.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "This will result in minorities pulling away from Warren to protect their special carve outs which is already happening with Cherokee, LTD."
     
    Minorities will pull back only if the Repube opponents find the cajones to ram the point home. Of course, she has proven she is at least un poquito Mestizo, so maybe she'll pick up the growing Latino/Hispanic/PR vote in Mass.

    Poquitohontas?

    , @International Jew

    Trump should change it up now to “One Drop Warren.”
     
    The best suggestion so far.

    Whatever he does, Trump absolutely needs to drop "Pocohontas" though; now that she's certified as a little bit Indian, calling her "Pocohontas" will be taken as simply rude — like calling a black-white mulato person "Little Black Sambo".

    , @Autochthon
    Because your phrase scans exactly the same, there's a parody in their somewhere to the tune of Kiss' "Hard Luck Woman" for someone with more time and talent than I have.
  31. @Tyrion 2
    OT but if anyone is from France, is this actually true or just very dramatic?

    The article almost predicts civil war in France in the near future. It is also from a generally undramatic source.

    The retiring French Interior Minister said this:

    "“The situation is very difficult and the phrase ‘Reconquering the Republic” is apt because in these districts it’s the law of the strongest that reigns, that of the drug dealers and radical Islamists, which has supplanted the Republic.”

    Despite all of Britain's problems, this is much worse than here.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/france-is-fracturing-but-macron-remains-in-denial/

    I am in France atm and went to Saint Dennis for a look around yesterday. It’s interesting to say the least. Paris seems pretty crazy right now.

  32. “Pocahontas” is a brilliant, funny, pithy, and meaningful nickname for Warren. Extra nicknames like “Picohontas” are funny for sites like this, but I don’t think Trump should use them. He’s got one great well known nickname, he shouldn’t dilute that with others.

  33. Trump wins again:

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Saw this already. Reagan looks way too happy, needs to put down the orange blossom special and check his six.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    While we're on the subject of puns, what is that? Mt. Brushmore?
    , @Glaivester
    I notice that Trump appears to have a cola in front of him. Subtle nod to his teetotaling.
  34. Trump’s again definitely right not to use picohonatas.

    I thought it was spot-on funny when one of the commenters mentioned it–thanks–and forwarded it to my email group of guys (where i forward iSteve stuff). But these are guys–grad school and tech company friends and relatives who have STEM backgrounds or are STEM capable/literate.

    Trump is marketting to everyone and plain old “poco” does the job. Trump shouldn’t hit it too hard though, running against Warren would be a gift.

    As i said in the followup discussion on my picohontas thread with friends:

    If I was a Democrat planning to run for the presidency, i’d make a statement–roughly (banging it out just up from my nap):

    “Senator Warren should apologize to Native Americans and the American people generally. We have affirmative action polices to give people who have historically been kept outside the mainstream of American life and as a result who perhaps lack opportunity a boost up to allow them access to these opportunities. Senator Warren who is a white woman and neither racially nor culturally a Native American cynically claimed to be to give herself an unwarranted boost–stealing an opportunity that belonged to a deserving Native American or African American person. ”

    Of course, i’m writing as a rational guy, trying to put myself into the head of someone who actually signs onto this stuff but is more or less rational. The Democrats have been on pretty much a one-way ride sliding down the mountain of rationality faster and faster these last few years.

    Still I think it’s on point. As I noted, the war on Becky’s has been rolling the past few years as various minorities–including Jewish women–follow the Jewish lead in the age of Trump, and just let loose with their tribal animosities in great big primal scream. Liz Warren is a Becky–a legitimately lying minority-AA stealing Becky! … in a party where blacks put up high percentages of Democrat primary votes. Nail–Hammer.

    As Steve has pointed out in his “black party” stuff, it’s not too hard to get blacks to feel entitled to something. Running against an affirmative-action stealing Becky Democrat would be a gift.

    • Replies: @gregor
    Right. Trump has the right instincts on this. For one thing, these clever portmanteaus work a lot better in writing than in speech. To a writer like Steve the more clever term is irresistible. But a TV guy like Trump knows that you want the spoken phrase to hit immediately. You don’t your audience confused even for a second about why you’re mispronouncing Pocahontas.

    The other part of it is that Trump isn’t a nerd.
    , @Iberiano
    Exactly. Unfortunately, the concern trolls can't see the larger picture--it's not about Elizabeth Warren at the zero sum expense of everything or anything else--it's about forcing the Left to eat it's own; having that "own" be a WW (causing cognitive dissonance/confusion with that demo); making a farce out of A/A; while making the LEFT make definitive statements about what exactly A/A is, or isn't, or what a minority is/isn't. It isn't because they care, or are likely to change, it's the independent, undecided or perhaps 17 year old Normies watching this unfold. Not to mention, to the degree this is even about Warren, it completely discredits her personally, on both sides of the aisle.

    Trumpslide 2020.
  35. Being about 1/1000 American Indian would make her a “Millicohontas.”

  36. But also, because Trump doesn’t use a supremely clever insult he lures in the Establishment Media to insutlt as a low brow and thus keep the controversiy alive on Trump’s terms; that Senator Warren isnt very Indian.

    On the chess style Of Gary Kasparov

    Even when he can’t calculate the end result conclusively, he can make sophisticated generalizations. He does anything to get the initiative and to force the play. Inevitably, he emerges from a forest of complications — in which his intentions aren’t all that clear — with the advantage. He’s not as artful or as clear as Fischer, but his play coincides with the realities of the day, which are all about defense.”

    The judgment throwing out the lady now known as ‘Horseface’s’ suit against Trump made it clear that an excited rhetorical hyperbole is not actionable. It is only when the defendant tries to actually prove by repeated use of evidence the defamatory charge that it becomes actionable.

  37. Picohontas is too eggheady. See:

  38. Steve, WAKE UP, and change “Giga” to “Nano” (per also Piltdown Man) before the whole internet wakes up and reads that.

    I was just going to write early this morning, back to Intelligent Daesan, that this term is very clever but too esoteric for most voters, along the lines of what you commented back to me and a few others yesterday.

    I.D. pointed out Chief Spreading Bull. I kind of like that one. Lieawatha is damn good, but it won’t ring a bell with the young people. Older people, if not having heard of the Indian, may have still heard of the fast streamlined trains, a number of which were called The XXX Hiawatha, XXX being a terminal city or region. Some of these used the Atlantic 4-4-2 steam locomotive, and others even bigger ones. They were doing well over 100 mph, with the engines generating ~ 5,000 shaft Hp, back in 1935!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Oops, I just realized it was "The Last Real Calvinist" who laid out those names.
  39. Did this song inspire Warren?

    Why Cherokee? Why not Sioux?

  40. @ic1000
    > that Senator Warren isn’t very Indian.

    Dit Trump or an advisor understand that the Cherokee Nation’s leadership would have powerful motivations to take his side on this issue, or is this another example of Trump’s Luck?

    The Cherokee Nation jealously guards its membership rolls. Membership hath its privileges. They aren’t going to make an exception for just any old whiney white woman who will never become president.

    I doubt Trump expected the Nation to weigh in on his side.

    But Trump makes his own luck by constantly being on the attack. As another patriot said “de l’audace, encore de l’audace, et toujours de l’audace et la Patrie sera sauvée! “

  41. Hollywood Indian, meet Harvard Indian.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, one of Hollywood's or Madison Avenue's most famous Indians, "Iron Eyes" Cody was of Italian descent.
  42. @PiltdownMan
    Yikes. I was busy editing and didn't pay attention to your post, minutes earlier. No offense.

    While I'm stuck in that frame of mind...

    If Elizabeth Warren is of average build (which she appears to be) and she were to drink a couple of shots of bourbon, she'd be more whiskey than Cherokee.

    Failface

    Shitting Bull

  43. Although Warren has been excoriated (scalped?) for introducing her dubious DNA results with just a few weeks to go before the midterms, there is a possible strategy. She might have been counting on the media to circle the wagons and defend her, if for no other reason than to just make the story disappear. Then, after the midterms, she could move forward with the issue behind her.

    Obviously, it backfired in a major way. It looks like President Trump’s unerring linguistic kill shots have claimed another victim.

    • Agree: bomag
  44. We’re going to have to start using “Indigenous Peoples of Pre-Columbian-Rape of North America” or “Indian ( Feather, not Dot)” just so no one might think we think Warren might be trying to elbow in on Nikki Haley’s affirmative-action action.

  45. http://webtest2.cherokee.org/About-The-Nation/Cherokee-Language/Dikaneisdi-Word-List

    I found Warren’s Cherokee Name.

    Nigolagvna Ungv Ageyv

    It means Stupid White Woman.

  46. @AnotherDad
    Trump's again definitely right not to use picohonatas.

    I thought it was spot-on funny when one of the commenters mentioned it--thanks--and forwarded it to my email group of guys (where i forward iSteve stuff). But these are guys--grad school and tech company friends and relatives who have STEM backgrounds or are STEM capable/literate.

    Trump is marketting to everyone and plain old "poco" does the job. Trump shouldn't hit it too hard though, running against Warren would be a gift.

    As i said in the followup discussion on my picohontas thread with friends:


    If I was a Democrat planning to run for the presidency, i'd make a statement--roughly (banging it out just up from my nap):

    "Senator Warren should apologize to Native Americans and the American people generally. We have affirmative action polices to give people who have historically been kept outside the mainstream of American life and as a result who perhaps lack opportunity a boost up to allow them access to these opportunities. Senator Warren who is a white woman and neither racially nor culturally a Native American cynically claimed to be to give herself an unwarranted boost--stealing an opportunity that belonged to a deserving Native American or African American person. "

    Of course, i'm writing as a rational guy, trying to put myself into the head of someone who actually signs onto this stuff but is more or less rational. The Democrats have been on pretty much a one-way ride sliding down the mountain of rationality faster and faster these last few years.

    Still I think it's on point. As I noted, the war on Becky's has been rolling the past few years as various minorities--including Jewish women--follow the Jewish lead in the age of Trump, and just let loose with their tribal animosities in great big primal scream. Liz Warren is a Becky--a legitimately lying minority-AA stealing Becky! … in a party where blacks put up high percentages of Democrat primary votes. Nail--Hammer.
     
    As Steve has pointed out in his "black party" stuff, it's not too hard to get blacks to feel entitled to something. Running against an affirmative-action stealing Becky Democrat would be a gift.

    Right. Trump has the right instincts on this. For one thing, these clever portmanteaus work a lot better in writing than in speech. To a writer like Steve the more clever term is irresistible. But a TV guy like Trump knows that you want the spoken phrase to hit immediately. You don’t your audience confused even for a second about why you’re mispronouncing Pocahontas.

    The other part of it is that Trump isn’t a nerd.

  47. Different terms for fractions than whole numbers, one billionth would be a nano, one billion would be a giga-something.

  48. Poco hits the spot for Hispanic voters.

    • Replies: @Iberiano
    ¡es la verdad!
  49. @Buck
    Trump should change it up now to "One Drop Warren. " This is a reference to the evil days of Jim Crow of course but it also shows the absurdity of Affirmative Action when whites like Warren game the system to the disadvantage of actual minorities. This will result in minorities pulling away from Warren to protect their special carve outs which is already happening with Cherokee, LTD.

    Bonus: it emphasizes that race is biological and measurable through a simple blood test.


    White women are the key to winning the next election like they were in the last. Democrats need to be seen as protecting minorities at the expense of whites, especially white women and children. The more minorities continue to attack the Beckies, the more Beckies will vote for Daddy.

    “This will result in minorities pulling away from Warren to protect their special carve outs which is already happening with Cherokee, LTD.”

    Minorities will pull back only if the Repube opponents find the cajones to ram the point home. Of course, she has proven she is at least un poquito Mestizo, so maybe she’ll pick up the growing Latino/Hispanic/PR vote in Mass.

    Poquitohontas?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Of course, she has proven she is at least un poquito Mestizo, so maybe she’ll pick up the growing Latino/Hispanic/PR vote in Mass."


    Elizabeth Warren would NOT be considered a Mestiza anywhere in Latin America, she would be seen as a straight up Blanquita. And she looks straight up Nordic Scandinavian, she does not even look like a Mediterranean Conquistador (Antonio Banderas, Javier Bardem) let alone look like a Mestiza.


    Also if Elizabeth Warren is un poquito Mestizo so is the average White American.


    And Puerto Rican voters are Triracial not Mestizo.

  50. @Chrisnonymous
    I wanted to make a joke about "Picojones", but I can't come up with a good target. Aside from some old buffoons like Alec Baldwin and Robert DeNiro and the GOPe, the left is really running on grrl power...

    Hillary
    Elizabeth Warren
    Kamala Harris
    Feinstein
    Hirono
    Ocasio-Cortez
    Merkel
    Theresa May
    Ford & McLean
    Rachel Maddow
    almost every cable news anchor
    #MeToo actresses
    Taylor Swift
    Naomi Osaka
    Sarah Jeong

    I'm sure the list could be longer.
    Dare we add all the trannies?
    Also, hysteria and mob mentality.

    It's women's moment. I hope they are proud of it when it's over.

    Grand unified Becky theory:

    Beckys expect the distribution of intelligence/competence in grown-ups to mirror the popularity/attractiveness distribution they enjoyed after hitting puberty.

    When reality doesn’t cooperate, hysteria ensues. Exacerbated by counterintuitive phenomena produced by the tails of those distributions.

    We’re all Larry Summers now.

    • Replies: @anon
    Struggling to follow. Shouldn't that be the "attractiveness/popularity" distribution?
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Sounds very true. Should we name it Desiderius' Law or Second Sailer Law?
    , @International Jew
    I don't understand...
    , @Haxo Angmark
    Becky Strikes Back...

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=OfDMeAqTGwU
  51. @Tyrion 2
    OT but if anyone is from France, is this actually true or just very dramatic?

    The article almost predicts civil war in France in the near future. It is also from a generally undramatic source.

    The retiring French Interior Minister said this:

    "“The situation is very difficult and the phrase ‘Reconquering the Republic” is apt because in these districts it’s the law of the strongest that reigns, that of the drug dealers and radical Islamists, which has supplanted the Republic.”

    Despite all of Britain's problems, this is much worse than here.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/france-is-fracturing-but-macron-remains-in-denial/

    I’m not in France at the moment, but we watch the French news almost every night and read the alternative French press. The situation is truly scary. Yesterday police searched (beginning at 7 a.m.) the offices and apartment of opposition leader Jean-Luc Melenchon, alleging that they were looking for evidence of corruption (fake European Parliament employees) and election campaign finance irregularities. Another opposition leader was searched, but I don’t recall the name. Marine le Pen has already been subject to criminal prosecutions on similar grounds. Some commentators are speculating that French President Emmanuel Macron is becoming paranoid about European Parliament elections to be held next May. It’s very worrying whenever police and prosecutors are used against opposition political leaders.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/16/leftist-french-leader-jean-luc-melenchon-broadcasts-police-search/

    The only advantage in France to the U.K. that I can see is that there is a political party (Rassemblement Nationale) that explicitly opposes the policies leading to the rapid deterioration of France. There’s nothing similar of the same size in the U.K.

  52. @Chrisnonymous
    I wanted to make a joke about "Picojones", but I can't come up with a good target. Aside from some old buffoons like Alec Baldwin and Robert DeNiro and the GOPe, the left is really running on grrl power...

    Hillary
    Elizabeth Warren
    Kamala Harris
    Feinstein
    Hirono
    Ocasio-Cortez
    Merkel
    Theresa May
    Ford & McLean
    Rachel Maddow
    almost every cable news anchor
    #MeToo actresses
    Taylor Swift
    Naomi Osaka
    Sarah Jeong

    I'm sure the list could be longer.
    Dare we add all the trannies?
    Also, hysteria and mob mentality.

    It's women's moment. I hope they are proud of it when it's over.

    um,

    Gillebrand?
    Serena Williams?

    I have decided we do not include Justin Trudeau, who goes on the list of representing persons with intellectual disability.

  53. Is she a double whammy i.e. in the top 0.1% for wealth and the bottom 0.1% for Cherokee-ness?

  54. If Obama had a son he would look like Trayvon, if Elizabeth Warren had a son he would look like George Lopez.

  55. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    I think Trump knows what he’s doing when it comes to insulting people.

    Re: “Pocahontas” not being as clever as “Fauxcahontas”:

    I recall a similar criticism of Bush 43, or perhaps all Republican presidents: that his speeches were all written at a 5th-grade reading level, or whatever. The number isn’t important, the point is it was contrasted unfavourably with Democrat presidents, whose own speeches evinced a larger vocabulary, a greater facility with language, and thus superior education and/or intelligence. I’m sure you recognise the trope: the right is stupid and anti-intellectual, the left is smart and knowledgeable.

    But actually there are three very good reasons to “dumb it down” for a mass audience.

    The first, obviously, is that there are by definition more people of average than above-average intelligence.

    The second is that smart people can understand simple language, but not the other way around.

    And the third is that smarter, better-educated people aren’t all smart or educated in the same way. A well-educated person might have a vocabulary of 30,000 words (or whatever), but two such people wouldn’t know the same 30,000 words.

    To put it in the terms mentioned above, let’s say a politician uses a word that counts as “9th-grade reading level”. Would 100% of people with 9th-grade reading skills be familiar with that word? Probably not.

    Perhaps we might say that “pico” is a “college-level word”, but probably only a small fraction of college graduates know what it means.

    Since a politician – especially a president – is trying to communicate with a mass audience, he wants to be understood by as much of that audience as possible. Why take a chance on a relatively obscure word that won’t even be understood by all the people smart or educated enough to get it? It would be like saying, “Okay, instead of being clearly understood by 99% of my audience, I’d like to only effectively communicate with 97%.” Or 96, or 88, or 52… you get the picture.

  56. @Desiderius
    Grand unified Becky theory:

    Beckys expect the distribution of intelligence/competence in grown-ups to mirror the popularity/attractiveness distribution they enjoyed after hitting puberty.

    When reality doesn’t cooperate, hysteria ensues. Exacerbated by counterintuitive phenomena produced by the tails of those distributions.

    We’re all Larry Summers now.

    Struggling to follow. Shouldn’t that be the “attractiveness/popularity” distribution?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They’re alternative labels for the same thing. The point is that the pertinent features noted here of the intelligence distribution (higher variance, slightly higher mean for men) hold as well for the post-puberty attractiveness distribution except with the sexes switched.

    Given that we’re talking about the tails of the distribution (where the effects are counterintuitvely large) in both cases, Becky whiplash could be a BFD.
  57. @Giuseppe
    Tucker Carlson's Fake-ajawea was also good.

    How about Scintillaofjawea?

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
    Or, Smidgen Injun?
  58. We need someone to do the computation of how many Americans have that much Amerindian ancestry. I would guess it’s at least several million. Many people when the get back their 23andme results are surprised to find some trace Japanese or Eskimo or something else in their genome. Most of the time they will never be able to trace the genealogy well enough that they discover where it came from. Its just a little mystery. They had a great-great-great grandparent who was a little different.

    It has no consequences except when it qualifies you for government preference. Then it means money, career advancement and other bennies.

    When Reagan made cuts in government programs. I was in local government. About one third to a half of the CETA staff got let go. My buddy in the federal government had what they called Reduction in Service . It was called a Riff. The Feds were very bitter over this. The big issues were – what disabled vet was really disabled and who exactly was an Indian. They had guidelines and standards about Indian ancestry because so many bureaucrats were claiming to be Indians.

    Those standards are probably still extant,

    • Replies: @Iberiano
    Yes. This. Also, when concern trolls or Leftist make the logical gymnastic jumps that "well, she is of X descent" they miss the whole point. No form at Harvard nor any government form, in reference to NA/Indian specifically, ask if you are of "descent" (as they do with Hispanic). No one has produced any proof any form she ever filled out used that criteria. It's tribal affiliation, as the feds and colleges say, through recognition, social acceptance, tribal affiliation/acceptance, etc. And she didn't just claim NA, she claimed "Cherokee" and that her mother was.

    No one who is 1/1024ths sub-Saharan says they are "black" nor permits themselves to be signed as a "black person" on any college report or form...nor does a "black cookbook", or talks about their "black momma".
  59. On Topic: ‘Golfcart Gail.’ I feel they should have saved this one for somebecky complaining about slow play. The scourge of slow play must be publicized by any mean necessary.

    https://nypost.com/2018/10/17/golfcart-gail-calls-cops-on-black-dad-at-his-kids-soccer-game/

  60. As Steve suggested previously, Warren’s resorting to scientific evidence plays against her own camp.

    For example, this title popped up in my mostly politically correct feed:

    Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test doesn’t prove that she’s Native American
    https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/15/17978144/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-native-american-genetics-ancestry-culture-identity-politics

    I thought some skeptical BadPerson had infiltrated the news, but no: this is highly woke tldr article by an Angela Chen about how race doesn’t exist, genetics is not culture and bla bla bla… snore.

    They changed the title since then to something less evidently anti-Warren, but the content is the same and own feet keep getting themselves shot. Good jiu-jitsu, Mr. President!

  61. Some call her Pocahonky.

  62. The fuck was the point of this post?

    I realize being a critic is easier than being a creator, and you’re probably the world’s best journalist this century, but this was awful.

  63. OT but very iSteve

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/us/white-supremacists-science-dna.html

    Why white supremacists are chugging milk (and why geneticists are alarmed) – the appropriation of genetic research by those with extremist views on race has scientists grappling with how to respond “

    Classical history, genetic research – is there nothing these extremists won’t appropriate?

  64. @Lester Fewer
    I think by now we're sort of arriving at Punkahontas.

    Hoaxahontas?

    If she had claimed to be trans she'd be Blokeahontas.

    There's always Jokeahontas.

    Also LOLcahontas.

    Chances are the voters will say No-cahontas.

    And don't forget Quid-pro-quocahontas.

    Wow, more in there than I thought.

    If she had claimed to be trans she’d be Blokeahontas.

    After she gets tromped in the election, she can go by Brokeahontas. That silly Jamoka-hontas, she ain’t much of a Wokeahontas. She should just spend some time in the sweat lodge as Soakahontas, then back into the tee-pee to smoke a hontas with little sister squaw Tokeahontas. This election year is a year ending in a multiple of 20, so she should take heed she doesn’t end up as Croakahontas.

    Thank, you thank you, I’ll be here till end-o-bidness day….

    Dr. Achmed E. Suess

  65. Pocahontas
    Decihontas (Sonia Sotomayor)
    Centihontas (Ariana Grande)
    Milihontas (Frida Kahlo)
    Nanohontas (Average American girl)
    Picohontas (Elizabeth Warren)
    Not-a-hontas (Ivanka Trump)

  66. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    In case anyone is interested, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix
    has a nice table of prefixes like
    k (kilo) = thousand (10^3)
    M (mega-) = million (10^6)
    G (giga-) = billion (10^9)
    T (tera-) = trillion (10^12)
    P (peta-) = 10^15
    And on the smaller side,
    m (milli-) = thousandth (10^(-3))
    (micro-) = millionth (10^(-6))
    n (nano-) = billionth (10^(-9))
    p (pico-) = trillionth (10^(-12))
    f (femto-) = 10^(-15)

    I’m an iSteve reader – I got that memorized. That’s who we are.

  67. Isn’t Gigahontas the Indian woman who’s 1 billion times he size of a normal Indian woman?

  68. @Desiderius
    Grand unified Becky theory:

    Beckys expect the distribution of intelligence/competence in grown-ups to mirror the popularity/attractiveness distribution they enjoyed after hitting puberty.

    When reality doesn’t cooperate, hysteria ensues. Exacerbated by counterintuitive phenomena produced by the tails of those distributions.

    We’re all Larry Summers now.

    Sounds very true. Should we name it Desiderius’ Law or Second Sailer Law?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The Old Beck Conjecture
  69. @jim jones
    Trump wins again:

    http://magaimg.net/img/6hat.jpg

    Saw this already. Reagan looks way too happy, needs to put down the orange blossom special and check his six.

  70. @Chrisnonymous
    I wanted to make a joke about "Picojones", but I can't come up with a good target. Aside from some old buffoons like Alec Baldwin and Robert DeNiro and the GOPe, the left is really running on grrl power...

    Hillary
    Elizabeth Warren
    Kamala Harris
    Feinstein
    Hirono
    Ocasio-Cortez
    Merkel
    Theresa May
    Ford & McLean
    Rachel Maddow
    almost every cable news anchor
    #MeToo actresses
    Taylor Swift
    Naomi Osaka
    Sarah Jeong

    I'm sure the list could be longer.
    Dare we add all the trannies?
    Also, hysteria and mob mentality.

    It's women's moment. I hope they are proud of it when it's over.

    Black Men provide the muscle

    They dominate athletics entertainment and sex.

    white boys cannot compete!

  71. It didn’t help Elizabeth Warren’s case that she’s a Native American Person Of Color when she showed her family members and nobody had hair that is darker than light brown/dark blond. Everybody in her family has some shade of light hair. Everybody in her family has hair that is lighter than Catherine Zeta Jones and Richard Milhous Nixon. Elizabeth Warren has a very Nordic family.

  72. Oh Steve, doing a post about humor despite your sperg audience. And then using the incorrect term. And then including a typo in the post as well.

    You are so cruel Steve.

  73. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, WAKE UP, and change "Giga" to "Nano" (per also Piltdown Man) before the whole internet wakes up and reads that.

    I was just going to write early this morning, back to Intelligent Daesan, that this term is very clever but too esoteric for most voters, along the lines of what you commented back to me and a few others yesterday.

    I.D. pointed out Chief Spreading Bull. I kind of like that one. Lieawatha is damn good, but it won't ring a bell with the young people. Older people, if not having heard of the Indian, may have still heard of the fast streamlined trains, a number of which were called The XXX Hiawatha, XXX being a terminal city or region. Some of these used the Atlantic 4-4-2 steam locomotive, and others even bigger ones. They were doing well over 100 mph, with the engines generating ~ 5,000 shaft Hp, back in 1935!

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Hiawatha.jpg

    Oops, I just realized it was “The Last Real Calvinist” who laid out those names.

  74. Sitting Bullshit

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Genius!
  75. @AnotherDad
    Trump's again definitely right not to use picohonatas.

    I thought it was spot-on funny when one of the commenters mentioned it--thanks--and forwarded it to my email group of guys (where i forward iSteve stuff). But these are guys--grad school and tech company friends and relatives who have STEM backgrounds or are STEM capable/literate.

    Trump is marketting to everyone and plain old "poco" does the job. Trump shouldn't hit it too hard though, running against Warren would be a gift.

    As i said in the followup discussion on my picohontas thread with friends:


    If I was a Democrat planning to run for the presidency, i'd make a statement--roughly (banging it out just up from my nap):

    "Senator Warren should apologize to Native Americans and the American people generally. We have affirmative action polices to give people who have historically been kept outside the mainstream of American life and as a result who perhaps lack opportunity a boost up to allow them access to these opportunities. Senator Warren who is a white woman and neither racially nor culturally a Native American cynically claimed to be to give herself an unwarranted boost--stealing an opportunity that belonged to a deserving Native American or African American person. "

    Of course, i'm writing as a rational guy, trying to put myself into the head of someone who actually signs onto this stuff but is more or less rational. The Democrats have been on pretty much a one-way ride sliding down the mountain of rationality faster and faster these last few years.

    Still I think it's on point. As I noted, the war on Becky's has been rolling the past few years as various minorities--including Jewish women--follow the Jewish lead in the age of Trump, and just let loose with their tribal animosities in great big primal scream. Liz Warren is a Becky--a legitimately lying minority-AA stealing Becky! … in a party where blacks put up high percentages of Democrat primary votes. Nail--Hammer.
     
    As Steve has pointed out in his "black party" stuff, it's not too hard to get blacks to feel entitled to something. Running against an affirmative-action stealing Becky Democrat would be a gift.

    Exactly. Unfortunately, the concern trolls can’t see the larger picture–it’s not about Elizabeth Warren at the zero sum expense of everything or anything else–it’s about forcing the Left to eat it’s own; having that “own” be a WW (causing cognitive dissonance/confusion with that demo); making a farce out of A/A; while making the LEFT make definitive statements about what exactly A/A is, or isn’t, or what a minority is/isn’t. It isn’t because they care, or are likely to change, it’s the independent, undecided or perhaps 17 year old Normies watching this unfold. Not to mention, to the degree this is even about Warren, it completely discredits her personally, on both sides of the aisle.

    Trumpslide 2020.

  76. @Pat Boyle
    We need someone to do the computation of how many Americans have that much Amerindian ancestry. I would guess it's at least several million. Many people when the get back their 23andme results are surprised to find some trace Japanese or Eskimo or something else in their genome. Most of the time they will never be able to trace the genealogy well enough that they discover where it came from. Its just a little mystery. They had a great-great-great grandparent who was a little different.

    It has no consequences except when it qualifies you for government preference. Then it means money, career advancement and other bennies.

    When Reagan made cuts in government programs. I was in local government. About one third to a half of the CETA staff got let go. My buddy in the federal government had what they called Reduction in Service . It was called a Riff. The Feds were very bitter over this. The big issues were - what disabled vet was really disabled and who exactly was an Indian. They had guidelines and standards about Indian ancestry because so many bureaucrats were claiming to be Indians.

    Those standards are probably still extant,

    Yes. This. Also, when concern trolls or Leftist make the logical gymnastic jumps that “well, she is of X descent” they miss the whole point. No form at Harvard nor any government form, in reference to NA/Indian specifically, ask if you are of “descent” (as they do with Hispanic). No one has produced any proof any form she ever filled out used that criteria. It’s tribal affiliation, as the feds and colleges say, through recognition, social acceptance, tribal affiliation/acceptance, etc. And she didn’t just claim NA, she claimed “Cherokee” and that her mother was.

    No one who is 1/1024ths sub-Saharan says they are “black” nor permits themselves to be signed as a “black person” on any college report or form…nor does a “black cookbook”, or talks about their “black momma”.

  77. Trump’s speech is unadorned, direct and very effective. “Pocahontas” is good for the reason you mention.

    I also thought “Crooked Hillary” was very good. It’s not too clever, it’s not over anybody’s head, it’s not so specific that he risks being outed as deceptive or exaggerating.

    Trump is dumb like a fox.

  78. @Cortes
    Poco hits the spot for Hispanic voters.

    ¡es la verdad!

  79. So white woman speak with forked tongue;
    I guess nobody really got stung.
    Hate the game, not the playa,
    Lying Sack-o’-jawea.
    (Jawea: Shoshone for “dung”).

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    I’ve been waiting for a limerick from you, Des. But this surpassed expectations.

    “Jawea: Shoshone for dung.”

    Masterful.
  80. I think Trump is smart enough to figure out that most people roll their eyes at attempts of verbal cleverness.

    By sticking with Pocahontas, he emphasizes the contrast between Elizabeth Warren and an actual Indian.

  81. So, how is all this puerile nonsense from both sides working out for us?

    – Borders meaningfully secured with no more permeability and illegal entry? Check.
    – Entrants monitored and apprehended when they overstay visas, visas sharply limited to prevent the problem in the first instance, and so-called refugees and asylees halted? Check.
    – Entangling, pointless, obsolete foreign alliances like NATO ended? Check.
    – Foreign military adventures and and debacles halted, gazillions wasted on overseas garrisons for the empire recouped as those are closed and the military used to actually defend America? Check.
    – Meaningful tariffs and sanctions against states like China which violate intellectual property rights, human rights, and international trade laws via prohibited subsidies and dumping? Check.
    – Enforcement of federal laws against rogue states and their cities like California? Check.

    Say what you want, the guy has his priorities straight! The accomplishments go on and on.

    Wait, wha..? Oh.

    • Agree: densa
  82. @Buck
    Trump should change it up now to "One Drop Warren. " This is a reference to the evil days of Jim Crow of course but it also shows the absurdity of Affirmative Action when whites like Warren game the system to the disadvantage of actual minorities. This will result in minorities pulling away from Warren to protect their special carve outs which is already happening with Cherokee, LTD.

    Bonus: it emphasizes that race is biological and measurable through a simple blood test.


    White women are the key to winning the next election like they were in the last. Democrats need to be seen as protecting minorities at the expense of whites, especially white women and children. The more minorities continue to attack the Beckies, the more Beckies will vote for Daddy.

    Trump should change it up now to “One Drop Warren.”

    The best suggestion so far.

    Whatever he does, Trump absolutely needs to drop “Pocohontas” though; now that she’s certified as a little bit Indian, calling her “Pocohontas” will be taken as simply rude — like calling a black-white mulato person “Little Black Sambo”.

    • Replies: @iffen
    The best suggestion so far.

    Not so, one-drop has very bad connotations.
  83. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Sounds very true. Should we name it Desiderius' Law or Second Sailer Law?

    The Old Beck Conjecture

  84. @Desiderius
    Grand unified Becky theory:

    Beckys expect the distribution of intelligence/competence in grown-ups to mirror the popularity/attractiveness distribution they enjoyed after hitting puberty.

    When reality doesn’t cooperate, hysteria ensues. Exacerbated by counterintuitive phenomena produced by the tails of those distributions.

    We’re all Larry Summers now.

    I don’t understand…

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Reasonably intelligent young Beckys mistake their beauty-based status (amplified by greater variance among female beauty meaning much fewer boys at the tail) for general superiority. When they grow up status becomes much more a function of relative intelligence where the variance is greater among men so somehow all these men ended up with higher status than poor old Becky.

    Obviously they cheated.
  85. @Anon
    Too much thinking isn't alpha brah. It feels like too much thinking went into it.

    Trump is very smart, but he knows how to talk to a broad audience, and he generally prefers to sound "real" and "tough" like a blue collar New Yawkah, than like a smarmy worthless academic. There are many people who will never get this. Most people try to sound higher class and more educated than they actually are.

    Trump is very smart, but he knows how to talk to a broad audience, and he generally prefers to sound “real” and “tough” like a blue collar New Yawkah, than like a smarmy worthless academic.

    John Kerry during his infamous testimony to Congress on the atrocities supposedly committed by fellow GI’s back when he was simply a young vet severely undercut his own effectiveness by comparing what he had seen to the works of “Gin”ghis (as in gin blossom) Khan. Didn’t help it was all delivered in a fruity accent less like a man who had just arrived from the jungles of hell and more like a man impatient to get going to Scarborough Fair (quick, before the rosemary and thyme become stale!) while playing GREENSLEEVES on his portable 8 track all the way there.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    The (in)famous Mongol's name is indeed pronounced with a soft g. It's one of those ignorant things which caught on so popularly to use the hard g that people now mock those who actually know how to pronounce the name properly. The same thing has happened to Cicero (whose name is properly spoken with a hard c but hardly ever is, even by people who ought to know better, like Dame Zuckerberg).

    People will do as they will, of course. It's how come we now all have to eat donuts and yogurt from drive-thrus at nite.
  86. @International Jew

    Trump should change it up now to “One Drop Warren.”
     
    The best suggestion so far.

    Whatever he does, Trump absolutely needs to drop "Pocohontas" though; now that she's certified as a little bit Indian, calling her "Pocohontas" will be taken as simply rude — like calling a black-white mulato person "Little Black Sambo".

    The best suggestion so far.

    Not so, one-drop has very bad connotations.

  87. @Anon
    Too much thinking isn't alpha brah. It feels like too much thinking went into it.

    Trump is very smart, but he knows how to talk to a broad audience, and he generally prefers to sound "real" and "tough" like a blue collar New Yawkah, than like a smarmy worthless academic. There are many people who will never get this. Most people try to sound higher class and more educated than they actually are.

    I completely agree about too much thinking in humour tending to alienate an audience. The Monty Python team understood this. which is why they had such appeal. They were Oxbridge graduates but they never showed off any esoteric knowledge in their sketches. A good example is the International Philosophy Cup Final.

  88. @Abe

    Trump is very smart, but he knows how to talk to a broad audience, and he generally prefers to sound “real” and “tough” like a blue collar New Yawkah, than like a smarmy worthless academic.
     
    John Kerry during his infamous testimony to Congress on the atrocities supposedly committed by fellow GI’s back when he was simply a young vet severely undercut his own effectiveness by comparing what he had seen to the works of “Gin”ghis (as in gin blossom) Khan. Didn’t help it was all delivered in a fruity accent less like a man who had just arrived from the jungles of hell and more like a man impatient to get going to Scarborough Fair (quick, before the rosemary and thyme become stale!) while playing GREENSLEEVES on his portable 8 track all the way there.

    The (in)famous Mongol’s name is indeed pronounced with a soft g. It’s one of those ignorant things which caught on so popularly to use the hard g that people now mock those who actually know how to pronounce the name properly. The same thing has happened to Cicero (whose name is properly spoken with a hard c but hardly ever is, even by people who ought to know better, like Dame Zuckerberg).

    People will do as they will, of course. It’s how come we now all have to eat donuts and yogurt from drive-thrus at nite.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    The hard "c" in "Cicero" was the classical Latin pronunciation if I'm not mistaken. The "s" is the Anglicized pronunciation (Rommel's first name is Anglicized to sound like "Irwin" whereas the correct German pronunciation is "Err-veen". You say potato, I say potahto etc. etc.
    , @Kratoklastes
    All true as far as it goes, but studying Latin with historically-accurate pronunciation kinda makes it lose its lustre a bit.

    Yulius Kai-sar's "money shot" in his famous letter (as relayed by Plutarch) sounds more like a schoolyard taunt - "Weenie, weedy, weakie.".

    Yulie was trying to be a Laconian - trying to get something as pithy as the famous "Neither/If" which (if genuine) goes down as one of the most badass bits of political dialogue ever.

    Spartans had a thing for being smartass - the famous woman who was for sale as a slave, who was asked "If I buy you, will you be a good woman?"

    She answered "Whether you buy me or not."

    Or maybe Plutarch was just good at making shit up. That happens quite a bit.
  89. But also, because Trump doesn’t use a supremely clever insult he lures in the Establishment Media to insutlt as a low brow and thus keep the controversiy alive on Trump’s terms; that Senator Warren isn very Indian.

    What?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    But also, because Trump doesn’t use a supremely clever insult, he lures in the Establishment Media to insult [him] as a low brow and thus keep the controversy alive on Trump’s terms; that Senator Warren isn't very Indian.
  90. By not using it, Trump doesn’t alienate the vast percentage of voters who don’t know that “pico” means “one-trillionth.” (I personally guessed it meant one-billionth, but that of course would be “Gigahontas.”)

    Steve Sailer didn’t even know that ‘Pico’ is a trillionth, and then, even worse, gets confused between ‘Giga’ and ‘Nano’. That means he doesn’t know the difference between ‘Pico’ and ‘Tera’.

  91. @Tyrion 2
    OT but if anyone is from France, is this actually true or just very dramatic?

    The article almost predicts civil war in France in the near future. It is also from a generally undramatic source.

    The retiring French Interior Minister said this:

    "“The situation is very difficult and the phrase ‘Reconquering the Republic” is apt because in these districts it’s the law of the strongest that reigns, that of the drug dealers and radical Islamists, which has supplanted the Republic.”

    Despite all of Britain's problems, this is much worse than here.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/france-is-fracturing-but-macron-remains-in-denial/

    I’m definitely not from France, but I have written about its demographics. Here’s my best guess for the make-up of children being born in France now:

    ~20% Muslim
    ~5%-8% Non-Muslim African
    ~3% other non-whites
    ~70% white

    (This is fairly conservative, btw.)

    Throw in differing birthrates but assume that they converge over the next 20 years, and here would be France’s birth demographics in 20 years:

    ~25% Muslim
    ~8%-10% African
    ~5% other non-White
    ~60% White

    Throw in low immigration (~60k a year) that slowly falls to zero over the next couple of decades and the numbers go to this:

    ~33% Muslim
    ~12% African
    ~6% other non-White
    ~50% White

    I’d suspect that the last set of numbers would be a good best guess for the make-up of births in France in 20 to 25 years. Regardless, the best that France can hope for is that it’s someday only a quarter Muslim and ~10% African, but even those numbers spell doom.

    I find it hard to believe that a country that is 25% to 33% Muslim and 8% to 12% African can function as a Western society. Possible, I suppose, but unlikely.

    The Whites in the United States are stupid, but the Whites in France are suicidally insane. Mexicans and Asians are one thing. Middle East Muslims and Africans are another.

  92. Sigh, Indians liked to capture, torture and rape women settlers….so were Warren’s NA relatives #MeTooers? Don’t think that looks too good in a political ad.

  93. @Tiny Duck
    Democrats are the fastest growing political group in the US. They’re having more children, 50% or so younger generations are Democrats and remain so as they age, Democrats are moving to Republican dominated states and most People of Color are Liberal.

    As to warren she probably has more Ancestry of Color that we just don't know about

    People of Color will remember the evil of you white men and respond accordingly

    TD, In the best selling book, “Lonesome Dove” there was a fierce Indian character named Blue Duck. I think you would like to blue him.

  94. @Tyrion 2
    OT but if anyone is from France, is this actually true or just very dramatic?

    The article almost predicts civil war in France in the near future. It is also from a generally undramatic source.

    The retiring French Interior Minister said this:

    "“The situation is very difficult and the phrase ‘Reconquering the Republic” is apt because in these districts it’s the law of the strongest that reigns, that of the drug dealers and radical Islamists, which has supplanted the Republic.”

    Despite all of Britain's problems, this is much worse than here.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/france-is-fracturing-but-macron-remains-in-denial/

    Tyrion, I thought we were told that the diversity of the World Cup winning French soccer team meant everything was good in France.

  95. @Anon
    Hollywood Indian, meet Harvard Indian.

    Anon, one of Hollywood’s or Madison Avenue’s most famous Indians, “Iron Eyes” Cody was of Italian descent.

  96. • Replies: @Desiderius
    Gail is another downmarket name. Next they’ll be going after some Dolores somewhere.
    , @danand
    Digital Samizdat,

    Another Bad Becky (link is to Yahoo page with video)

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/gas-station-gail-store-manager-calls-police-parents-children-buying-drinks-like-riot-201315580.html
  97. @Federalist

    But also, because Trump doesn’t use a supremely clever insult he lures in the Establishment Media to insutlt as a low brow and thus keep the controversiy alive on Trump’s terms; that Senator Warren isn very Indian.
     
    What?

    But also, because Trump doesn’t use a supremely clever insult, he lures in the Establishment Media to insult [him] as a low brow and thus keep the controversy alive on Trump’s terms; that Senator Warren isn’t very Indian.

  98. @Tiny Duck
    Democrats are the fastest growing political group in the US. They’re having more children, 50% or so younger generations are Democrats and remain so as they age, Democrats are moving to Republican dominated states and most People of Color are Liberal.

    As to warren she probably has more Ancestry of Color that we just don't know about

    People of Color will remember the evil of you white men and respond accordingly

    El Pequeno Duck. Nano Duck. Duck Face.

  99. @Tiny Duck
    Democrats are the fastest growing political group in the US. They’re having more children, 50% or so younger generations are Democrats and remain so as they age, Democrats are moving to Republican dominated states and most People of Color are Liberal.

    As to warren she probably has more Ancestry of Color that we just don't know about

    People of Color will remember the evil of you white men and respond accordingly

    My dear chap, do put a sock in it.

  100. @the one they call Desanex
    So white woman speak with forked tongue;
    I guess nobody really got stung.
    Hate the game, not the playa,
    Lying Sack-o’-jawea.
    (Jawea: Shoshone for “dung”).

    I’ve been waiting for a limerick from you, Des. But this surpassed expectations.

    “Jawea: Shoshone for dung.”

    Masterful.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    Thanks, Chris. Some limericks have a longer gestation period than others.
  101. Anon[255] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Someone has put up a rather bizarre if amusing Twitter troll account here:

    https://twitter.com/titaniamcgrath?lang=en

    The exact portion of nuttiness has been very carefully weighed. Such as, “I feel a profound connection with people of colour. Possibly because when I was growing up most of our staff were Filipinos.”

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Hilarious.

    Cant help wondering if..never mind.
  102. @Buck
    Trump should change it up now to "One Drop Warren. " This is a reference to the evil days of Jim Crow of course but it also shows the absurdity of Affirmative Action when whites like Warren game the system to the disadvantage of actual minorities. This will result in minorities pulling away from Warren to protect their special carve outs which is already happening with Cherokee, LTD.

    Bonus: it emphasizes that race is biological and measurable through a simple blood test.


    White women are the key to winning the next election like they were in the last. Democrats need to be seen as protecting minorities at the expense of whites, especially white women and children. The more minorities continue to attack the Beckies, the more Beckies will vote for Daddy.

    Because your phrase scans exactly the same, there’s a parody in their somewhere to the tune of Kiss’ “Hard Luck Woman” for someone with more time and talent than I have.

  103. @anon
    Struggling to follow. Shouldn't that be the "attractiveness/popularity" distribution?

    They’re alternative labels for the same thing. The point is that the pertinent features noted here of the intelligence distribution (higher variance, slightly higher mean for men) hold as well for the post-puberty attractiveness distribution except with the sexes switched.

    Given that we’re talking about the tails of the distribution (where the effects are counterintuitvely large) in both cases, Becky whiplash could be a BFD.

  104. Pocohontas is better than Picohontas, because “poco” is the Spanish word for little and “honta” the Esperanto word for “ashamed”.

    Unless you want to call her Minihaha, which might be even better.

  105. @International Jew
    I don't understand...

    Reasonably intelligent young Beckys mistake their beauty-based status (amplified by greater variance among female beauty meaning much fewer boys at the tail) for general superiority. When they grow up status becomes much more a function of relative intelligence where the variance is greater among men so somehow all these men ended up with higher status than poor old Becky.

    Obviously they cheated.

  106. @Digital Samizdat
    OT: Now commences the War on Gails

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-white-woman-people-have-dubbed-golfcart-gail-called-the-police-on-a-black-man-for-cheering-on-his-son-during-a-soccer-game/ar-BBOvJvJ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

    Can you say 'Black Golfocaust,' boys and girls?

    Gail is another downmarket name. Next they’ll be going after some Dolores somewhere.

  107. @Digital Samizdat
    OT: Now commences the War on Gails

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-white-woman-people-have-dubbed-golfcart-gail-called-the-police-on-a-black-man-for-cheering-on-his-son-during-a-soccer-game/ar-BBOvJvJ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

    Can you say 'Black Golfocaust,' boys and girls?

  108. I have suggested “Poquito-hontas.”

    This also honors the fact that she used South American DNA to generate her native ancestry.

    Indeed pretty much 100% of Mexicans are Indians under Warren’s definition.

  109. Statistical noise “Native” American…..

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Statistical noise “Native” American….."

    Anything under 1% is statistical noise. Large swaths of The U.S population have statistical noise in their DNA results but the vast majority of them don't try to affirmative action it like Elizabeth Warren did.
  110. Making a reference to an obscure metric system prefix may seem un-Trumpian, but it isn’t too far out in the ether. Also keep in mind that The Big Bang Theory has been one of the highest rated sitcoms for the last 5 years, with ~20 million viewers a week (though the first four seasons were actually the really good ones).

    So there are a lot of Americans who are at least sympathetic to nerd culture. Feigning some knowledge of science may not win Trump a lot of votes, but we’re talking about an environment where the presidency was decided by only ~80,000. Hell it’s probably worth 4 or 5 votes in Cambridge and Pasadena alone.

  111. @Tiny Duck
    Democrats are the fastest growing political group in the US. They’re having more children, 50% or so younger generations are Democrats and remain so as they age, Democrats are moving to Republican dominated states and most People of Color are Liberal.

    As to warren she probably has more Ancestry of Color that we just don't know about

    People of Color will remember the evil of you white men and respond accordingly

    Fecund Dem-sprouts are being massively imported, you duck-billed platitude, and farmed in the .gov-subsidized petri dish of manufactured consent. You clearly are one of nature’s genetic culs-de-sac. Here’s to your impending yeast-like self-extinction.

  112. The senior Department of Treasury employer arrested today for leaking financial documents to Buzzfeed is actually a Native American and member of a tribe in Virginia.

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/natalie-mayflower-sours-edwards/

  113. To point out the obvious (necessary more often than it should be): Trump should drop it and start better using the power of his office to do things he was elected to do.

    • Agree: densa
  114. @jim jones
    Trump wins again:

    http://magaimg.net/img/6hat.jpg

    While we’re on the subject of puns, what is that? Mt. Brushmore?

  115. Though it looked vaguely familiar, had to succumb to ignorance in the end and looked up “pico”. A good on but possibly a tad over the heads of the majority of The Deplorables who don’t read iSteve, which is why Donnie sticks to the real deal.

    Has anyone used “Hoaxahontas” yet?

    In the interim, what fun Senator Pow-Wow is providing for us!!

  116. @Tiny Duck
    Democrats are the fastest growing political group in the US. They’re having more children, 50% or so younger generations are Democrats and remain so as they age, Democrats are moving to Republican dominated states and most People of Color are Liberal.

    As to warren she probably has more Ancestry of Color that we just don't know about

    People of Color will remember the evil of you white men and respond accordingly

    Trolling again, eh quakster?

  117. @Autochthon
    The (in)famous Mongol's name is indeed pronounced with a soft g. It's one of those ignorant things which caught on so popularly to use the hard g that people now mock those who actually know how to pronounce the name properly. The same thing has happened to Cicero (whose name is properly spoken with a hard c but hardly ever is, even by people who ought to know better, like Dame Zuckerberg).

    People will do as they will, of course. It's how come we now all have to eat donuts and yogurt from drive-thrus at nite.

    The hard “c” in “Cicero” was the classical Latin pronunciation if I’m not mistaken. The “s” is the Anglicized pronunciation (Rommel’s first name is Anglicized to sound like “Irwin” whereas the correct German pronunciation is “Err-veen”. You say potato, I say potahto etc. etc.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The hard “c” in “Cicero” was the classical Latin pronunciation if I’m not mistaken. The “s” is the Anglicized pronunciation (Rommel’s first name is Anglicized to sound like “Irwin” whereas the correct German pronunciation is “Err-veen”. You say potato, I say potahto etc. etc.
     
    There are three accepted approaches to pronouncing Latin words: classical, ecclesiastic, and English. The last is used for terms in law (modus operandi), science (a priori), and other specialist argots.

    All of them are fine in their own spheres. They can sound silly when you cross them.
  118. @Anon
    OT: Someone has put up a rather bizarre if amusing Twitter troll account here:

    https://twitter.com/titaniamcgrath?lang=en

    The exact portion of nuttiness has been very carefully weighed. Such as, "I feel a profound connection with people of colour. Possibly because when I was growing up most of our staff were Filipinos."

    Hilarious.

    Cant help wondering if..never mind.

  119. Indeed pretty much 100% of Mexicans are Indians under Warren’s definition.

    Well, yes, a very large percentage of Mexicans are Indian by any definition, and even Puerto Ricans are estimated to be on average 17% Taino Indian.

    Warren may be exaggerating her Indian heritage a bit, but it is still a fact that a very large number of Americans of all ethnicities have at least a smidgeon of Native American Indian genes in their makeup.

    Another point that is ignored is that genes that are dominant genes will persist a lot more through the generations than recessive genes. If Warren were an alcoholic, she would have a even stronger claim.

  120. @Desiderius
    Grand unified Becky theory:

    Beckys expect the distribution of intelligence/competence in grown-ups to mirror the popularity/attractiveness distribution they enjoyed after hitting puberty.

    When reality doesn’t cooperate, hysteria ensues. Exacerbated by counterintuitive phenomena produced by the tails of those distributions.

    We’re all Larry Summers now.
  121. How about Picahontas?

    As in someone who ate too many paint chips as a child.

  122. @Prester John
    The hard "c" in "Cicero" was the classical Latin pronunciation if I'm not mistaken. The "s" is the Anglicized pronunciation (Rommel's first name is Anglicized to sound like "Irwin" whereas the correct German pronunciation is "Err-veen". You say potato, I say potahto etc. etc.

    The hard “c” in “Cicero” was the classical Latin pronunciation if I’m not mistaken. The “s” is the Anglicized pronunciation (Rommel’s first name is Anglicized to sound like “Irwin” whereas the correct German pronunciation is “Err-veen”. You say potato, I say potahto etc. etc.

    There are three accepted approaches to pronouncing Latin words: classical, ecclesiastic, and English. The last is used for terms in law (modus operandi), science (a priori), and other specialist argots.

    All of them are fine in their own spheres. They can sound silly when you cross them.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Those of us who read Latin (unless also clergy) work in the classical mode. Loan-words like the third scenario you describe are always their own weird animal. (Ask a Spaniard or a gold-digger in Hollywood how to properly pronounce rodeo for the original; the way a Montanan says it is its own word – an English word then, just as you say.

    I wish there were people in real life I could associate with as intelligent as people here. I suppose it makes me pathetic really....
    , @Desiderius
    There’s one you’re forgetting that involves removing the first letter then appending it to the rear followed by the “ay” phoneme.
  123. The main reason Trump won’t use “picohontas” is that it’s stupid. Liz didn’t call herself Pocahontas, that name is already a rhetorical jibe at her. “Picohontas” is just a self-referencing masturbatory meta-meme that isn’t funny for the same reason leftist memes aren’t funny.

    Everybody intuitively understands what Pocahontas is supposed to mean. Even the sorts of nerds who immediately know what power of 10 “pico” refers to still have to think about this neologism to understand how the different parts are connected and which specific news event it’s in reference to. It just doesn’t work at a rhetorical level.

    People on the right need to stop trying to be so clever. You’re dealing with a majority of people who reason at an exclusively emotional level. Phrases like “Social Justice Terrorist” might sound good to you and some of your buddies but are incomprehensible to people outside your mental frame.

    Besides, these words are 1 step removed from puns, and puns are the lowest form of humor.

  124. @Paul Yarbles
    How about Scintillaofjawea?

    Or, Smidgen Injun?

  125. @Reg Cæsar

    The hard “c” in “Cicero” was the classical Latin pronunciation if I’m not mistaken. The “s” is the Anglicized pronunciation (Rommel’s first name is Anglicized to sound like “Irwin” whereas the correct German pronunciation is “Err-veen”. You say potato, I say potahto etc. etc.
     
    There are three accepted approaches to pronouncing Latin words: classical, ecclesiastic, and English. The last is used for terms in law (modus operandi), science (a priori), and other specialist argots.

    All of them are fine in their own spheres. They can sound silly when you cross them.

    Those of us who read Latin (unless also clergy) work in the classical mode. Loan-words like the third scenario you describe are always their own weird animal. (Ask a Spaniard or a gold-digger in Hollywood how to properly pronounce rodeo for the original; the way a Montanan says it is its own word – an English word then, just as you say.

    I wish there were people in real life I could associate with as intelligent as people here. I suppose it makes me pathetic really….

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Not at all. Things have gotten pretty atomized. I’m just enjoying this oasis while it lasts.
  126. @jim jones
    Trump wins again:

    http://magaimg.net/img/6hat.jpg

    I notice that Trump appears to have a cola in front of him. Subtle nod to his teetotaling.

  127. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    know that “pico” means “one-trillionth.” (I personally guessed it meant one-billionth

    Wow, that’s really surprising. Are you sure you are not posing? You certainly know: milli, micro. What did you normally assume “nano” meant?

    But good point still – hard to expect the general public to appreciate the cutie “picohontas”

  128. @Autochthon
    The (in)famous Mongol's name is indeed pronounced with a soft g. It's one of those ignorant things which caught on so popularly to use the hard g that people now mock those who actually know how to pronounce the name properly. The same thing has happened to Cicero (whose name is properly spoken with a hard c but hardly ever is, even by people who ought to know better, like Dame Zuckerberg).

    People will do as they will, of course. It's how come we now all have to eat donuts and yogurt from drive-thrus at nite.

    All true as far as it goes, but studying Latin with historically-accurate pronunciation kinda makes it lose its lustre a bit.

    Yulius Kai-sar‘s “money shot” in his famous letter (as relayed by Plutarch) sounds more like a schoolyard taunt – “Weenie, weedy, weakie.“.

    Yulie was trying to be a Laconian – trying to get something as pithy as the famous “Neither/If” which (if genuine) goes down as one of the most badass bits of political dialogue ever.

    Spartans had a thing for being smartass – the famous woman who was for sale as a slave, who was asked “If I buy you, will you be a good woman?”

    She answered “Whether you buy me or not.”

    Or maybe Plutarch was just good at making shit up. That happens quite a bit.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U
  129. She is almost as “Indian” as George Zimmerman is “white”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    She is almost as “Indian” as George Zimmerman is “white”.
     
    Zimmerman is 50% White. Try to keep up here.
  130. @anon
    She is almost as "Indian" as George Zimmerman is "white".

    She is almost as “Indian” as George Zimmerman is “white”.

    Zimmerman is 50% White. Try to keep up here.

  131. @ChrisZ
    I’ve been waiting for a limerick from you, Des. But this surpassed expectations.

    “Jawea: Shoshone for dung.”

    Masterful.

    Thanks, Chris. Some limericks have a longer gestation period than others.

  132. @Autochthon
    Those of us who read Latin (unless also clergy) work in the classical mode. Loan-words like the third scenario you describe are always their own weird animal. (Ask a Spaniard or a gold-digger in Hollywood how to properly pronounce rodeo for the original; the way a Montanan says it is its own word – an English word then, just as you say.

    I wish there were people in real life I could associate with as intelligent as people here. I suppose it makes me pathetic really....

    Not at all. Things have gotten pretty atomized. I’m just enjoying this oasis while it lasts.

  133. @Kratoklastes
    All true as far as it goes, but studying Latin with historically-accurate pronunciation kinda makes it lose its lustre a bit.

    Yulius Kai-sar's "money shot" in his famous letter (as relayed by Plutarch) sounds more like a schoolyard taunt - "Weenie, weedy, weakie.".

    Yulie was trying to be a Laconian - trying to get something as pithy as the famous "Neither/If" which (if genuine) goes down as one of the most badass bits of political dialogue ever.

    Spartans had a thing for being smartass - the famous woman who was for sale as a slave, who was asked "If I buy you, will you be a good woman?"

    She answered "Whether you buy me or not."

    Or maybe Plutarch was just good at making shit up. That happens quite a bit.

  134. @Reg Cæsar

    The hard “c” in “Cicero” was the classical Latin pronunciation if I’m not mistaken. The “s” is the Anglicized pronunciation (Rommel’s first name is Anglicized to sound like “Irwin” whereas the correct German pronunciation is “Err-veen”. You say potato, I say potahto etc. etc.
     
    There are three accepted approaches to pronouncing Latin words: classical, ecclesiastic, and English. The last is used for terms in law (modus operandi), science (a priori), and other specialist argots.

    All of them are fine in their own spheres. They can sound silly when you cross them.

    There’s one you’re forgetting that involves removing the first letter then appending it to the rear followed by the “ay” phoneme.

  135. @The Alarmist

    "This will result in minorities pulling away from Warren to protect their special carve outs which is already happening with Cherokee, LTD."
     
    Minorities will pull back only if the Repube opponents find the cajones to ram the point home. Of course, she has proven she is at least un poquito Mestizo, so maybe she'll pick up the growing Latino/Hispanic/PR vote in Mass.

    Poquitohontas?

    “Of course, she has proven she is at least un poquito Mestizo, so maybe she’ll pick up the growing Latino/Hispanic/PR vote in Mass.”

    Elizabeth Warren would NOT be considered a Mestiza anywhere in Latin America, she would be seen as a straight up Blanquita. And she looks straight up Nordic Scandinavian, she does not even look like a Mediterranean Conquistador (Antonio Banderas, Javier Bardem) let alone look like a Mestiza.

    Also if Elizabeth Warren is un poquito Mestizo so is the average White American.

    And Puerto Rican voters are Triracial not Mestizo.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "... she would be seen as a straight up Blanquita."
     
    She might be seen for that, but she has the test results to "prove" it.
  136. @War for Blair Mountain
    Statistical noise “Native” American.....

    “Statistical noise “Native” American…..”

    Anything under 1% is statistical noise. Large swaths of The U.S population have statistical noise in their DNA results but the vast majority of them don’t try to affirmative action it like Elizabeth Warren did.

  137. @Jefferson
    "Of course, she has proven she is at least un poquito Mestizo, so maybe she’ll pick up the growing Latino/Hispanic/PR vote in Mass."


    Elizabeth Warren would NOT be considered a Mestiza anywhere in Latin America, she would be seen as a straight up Blanquita. And she looks straight up Nordic Scandinavian, she does not even look like a Mediterranean Conquistador (Antonio Banderas, Javier Bardem) let alone look like a Mestiza.


    Also if Elizabeth Warren is un poquito Mestizo so is the average White American.


    And Puerto Rican voters are Triracial not Mestizo.

    “… she would be seen as a straight up Blanquita.”

    She might be seen for that, but she has the test results to “prove” it.

  138. Boston talk radio guy Howie Carr likes to refer to Elizabeth Warren as “Granny Warren”.

    “Granny Warren” encapsulates a lot of the things that people really don’t like about Elizabeth Warren but can’t quite put their finger on.

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