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From Pew Research Center:

However, the idea of migrating is on the minds of many Africans living south of the Sahara. According to a 2017 Pew Research Center survey in six sub-Saharan countries that have supplied many of the region’s migrants to the U.S. and Europe, many say they would move to another country if the means and opportunity presented themselves. And in Senegal, Ghana and Nigeria, more than a third say they actually plan to migrate in the next five years. Of those who plan to move, more individuals plan to move to the U.S. than to Europe in most countries surveyed. …

If circumstances permitted, many sub-Saharan Africans would migrate abroad
Between February and April 2017, Pew Research Center surveyed in six of the 10 countries that have supplied many of the sub-Saharan immigrants now living in the U.S. Four of these countries – Nigeria, Senegal, Ghana and Kenya – are also among the top 10 origin countries for sub-Saharan migrants to Europe.

The survey asked respondents whether they would go to live in another country, if they had the means and opportunity. At least four-in-ten in each sub-Saharan country surveyed answered yes, including roughly three-quarters of those surveyed in Ghana (75%) and Nigeria (74%).

The population of Nigeria is said to be, currently, 186 million, so that’s 137 million Nigerians who want to leave (counting their children, etc.)

The relatively high shares of people in these countries who say they would resettle in another country is generally consistent with findings from other surveys, like Afrobarometer in Nigeria and Ghana, that pose questions about the desirability of migrating. Compared with other world regions, Gallup polls find that sub-Saharan countries have some of the highest shares of people who say they would move to another country.

What’s behind the widespread appeal of migrating in some sub-Saharan countries? Multiple factors could be at play. To begin with, while many sub-Saharan African economies are growing, many countries continue to have high unemployment rates and relatively low wage rates. In addition, the job market looks unlikely to improve anytime soon, thanks to high fertility levels that will mean even more people competing for jobs. Against this backdrop, sub-Saharan Africans could see migrating to countries with more – and better paying – jobs as a means of improving their personal economic prospects. …

Pressures related to economic well-being and insecurity may help to explain why, beyond a general willingness to migrate, substantial shares of sub-Saharan Africans say they actually plan to move to another country in the next five years. Among the six countries polled, the share with plans to migrate ranges from roughly four-in-ten or more in Senegal (44%), Ghana (42%) and Nigeria (38%) to fewer than one-in-ten in Tanzania (8%).

So 70 million Nigerians are planning to migrate in the next five years.

But, of course, the United Nations forecasts that the population of Nigeria will more than quadruple to about 800 million by the end of the century.

Here’s my graph of the UN’s 2017 population forecast, which says Nigeria will have more people than Europe by the end of the century.

Of course, a lot of the currently born Nigerians don’t intend to stick around in Nigeria for that to happen.

Will all those with plans to migrate in fact leave their home countries in the next five years? If recent history is a guide, the answer would most likely be no. But data from official sources suggest that this will not be for lack of effort.

For example, 1.7 million Ghanaians (or 6% of Ghana’s population) applied for the U.S. diversity lottery in 2015, even when only 50,000 people worldwide are permitted to move each year to the U.S. through this visa program. In the same year, other sub-Saharan African countries, such as the Republic of Congo (10%), Liberia (8%) and Sierra Leone (8%) saw high shares of their populations apply for the lottery. Although the lottery only requires an online application and the completion of a high school diploma for eligibility, the high number of applicants underscores the seriousness with which many sub-Saharan Africans contemplate and actively pursue migrating abroad.

In some sub-Saharan countries, U.S. preferred over Europe as destination
Europe’s border statistics show a well-traveled route of migrants from Africa to Europe. But this does not necessarily mean Europe is the top choice of potential sub-Saharan African migrants. In fact, in several of the countries surveyed by Pew Research Center, those planning to migrate more often cited the U.S., as opposed to Europe, as their preferred destination when asked where in the world they planned to move.

For example, among the 42% of Ghanaians who say they plan to migrate abroad in the next five years, four-in-ten (41%) identify the U.S. as their intended destination, while three-in-ten (30%) name a country in the EU, Norway or Switzerland. Similarly, shares of potential migrants in South Africa (39% vs. 22%) and Kenya (39% vs. 12%) say they intend to migrate to the U.S. over Europe.7

Only in Senegal, a Francophone country, do more respondents that plan to move intend to migrate to a European country (49%), as opposed to the United States (24%).

The survey did not ask respondents why they preferred the U.S. or Europe, but it did ask whether respondents were in personal contact with friends or relatives in other countries. People planning to migrate in the next five years tended to identify destinations where they already had friends or family. This finding is generally consistent with studies showing that personal connections influence the decision and likelihood of migrating.

This is why Poland and Hungary would be crazy to accept some of Merkel’s Million Marching Muslim: they would establish beachheads to be exploited by their family and friends over the generations.

Higher shares of adults in Senegal and South Africa say they have friends or relatives they stay in touch with regularly in Europe than say this about friends or relatives in the U.S. Meanwhile, in Ghana, Nigeria and Tanzania, people have friends or relatives they stay in touch with in Europe and the U.S. at about the same rate. In Kenya, a higher share of people have contacts in the United States.

Now, these numbers wouldn’t be quite as worrisome except that a terrifying fraction of elite opinion in the West believes that opposing the right of American Citizens We Just Haven’t Met Yet to move here is Not Who We Are: that the American Experiment is not about self-government and the people’s right to rule themselves, it’s about taking in Huddled Masses, so any restriction on immigration is against the Statue of Liberty.

The rising prestige of the assumption that open borders is the morally superior policy reminds of the catastrophic rise of pacifist sentiments in Britain and France between the Wars. According to Paul Johnson, around 1928, educated opinion in Britain and France started to admit that their nations’ losses in the Great War weren’t worth the fruits of victory.

This hard-headed realization soon, however, drifted toward outright pacifism.

That had an impact on real-world factors, such as British military budgets up until 1935 and French military morale.

Meanwhile, in Germany, one of the losers of the Great War, Adolf Hitler, felt that the only thing that would salve the ache he felt over losing the Great War would be to start a Second Great War and win it. A couple of weeks after Hitler came to power in Germany intending to change the outcome of the last war with a new war, the Oxford Union debating society, comprising the traditional future ruling class of Britain, voted 275-153 “that this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country.”

As it turned out, the British, in the end, did fight. The French spirit, however, cracked in May 1940.

These days, you won’t find all that many explicit pro-Open Borders voices. But we see huge numbers of anti-anti-Open Borders voices who feel that those of us who believe the American people’s right of self-government begins with having borders we control are literally Hitler.

Well, 85 years ago the rise of Hitler inspired in many British elites a newly fashionable view that anti-Pacifists were literally Hitler. How’d that work out anyway?

 
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  1. What are Tanzania and Kenya doing right?

    • Replies: @Louis Renault

    What are Tanzania and Kenya doing right?
     
    Selling cell phones to Nigerian's so they can see how good the living in is in the US vs. Tanzania and Kenya?
    , @DB Cooper
    Kenya's economy is booming, one of the fastest growing economy in Sub-Sahara. According to the world bank it registered 5.8% growth in 2016. Last year it inaugurated the largest infrastructure project in the country's history since its independence and one of the largest in East Africa in as many years, the standard gauge railway from Mombasa to Nairobi. This news was pretty much censored in the West MSM. When the railway was officially opened last summer, I made it a point to check on the coverage in all the major news media such as WSJ, NYT, Guardian..etc. and none of them carry it, even though these newspapers has a dedicated Africa section! Here is a three part series of censored China's propaganda if you are interested.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Z0eYHWFCI&t=5s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9_m20MCuGw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ot_Arr_oMo

    , @nebulafox
    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I'm pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does. Say what you will about the Chinese, but their approach of treating the Africans as business partners rather than condescendingly as children to be fetishized (in a way, it's as I've said before: affluent white liberals really view blacks as objects for their own emotional needs more than anything. It's not respect or admiration, it is condescension, if of a subliminally paternal type. The reason black nationalism is not taken seriously is, in part, because of this condescension on the part of Western bien-pensants. Granted, that's better than being hated, a la the Deplorables in the West, but it is still dehumanizing) seems to be working pretty well. The Chinese don't question the local political arrangements, correctly assuming that the locals know their own culture best, whereas Beltway-logic declares that the highest importance, rather than introducing new infrastructure or security partnerships, is that Africans must be lectured by State Department SJWs on Jeffersonian democracy and modern American sexual norms. The Chinese openly acknowledge that they are there because of their own national interests rather than out of some sense of altruism: and the Africans are OK with that. I suspect the lack of hypocrisy and openness is refreshing.

    Birth-rates wise, though Kenya and Tanzania still have some work to do, their birth rates have begun to decline. They are sitting at about 4 and 5 kids per woman, respectively, compared to the 6-8 that is rife throughout much of the rest of the continent. (Rwanda, pretty much the template model for economic development in Africa, is a little bit lower, at 3.8.) Should current trends continue, they'll follow the path of much of the rest of the developed world here, and presumably, if Bush II and Obama (for different yet equally misguided reasons) were more willing to openly address the importance of emphasizing contraception and family planning in Africa, the numbers would have declined sooner.

    A big reason I often disagree with the hardcore racialists on this website is how well East Africa is doing relative to African-Americans, despite coming from far worse aggregate poverty over the past few decades. It's not just economically-in terms of social dysfunction, too, the over-the-top crime rates of American ghettoes would be unheard of. Of course, Africa is a huge place, and you also have massively screwed up places at the bottom of the barrel like Somalia or the Congo-the latter of which is a real shame considering the sheer amount of raw materials there. I'm personally of the opinion that if Kagame could annex the eastern part of the country, the lot of both the locals and the world as a whole would be massively improved. Nigeria is an interesting case in that the country has a lot of potential and isn't quite on the level of the Congo, but between overpopulation, massive corruption and governmental incompetence, the threat of radical Islam to the north... it'll be a massively important country in the mid-to-late 21st Century, for better or for worse. Unfortunately, it looks currently like it'll be for worse, and young Nigerians with an iota of ambition are planning their escape routes. Anyway, I'm no Africa expert and would happily be corrected by anybody who happens to be one, but it seems that one of the reasons East Africa got off to a bad start was because guys like Nyerere came to power in Tanzania (Neto in Angola is another example of this type, though not a good one since he died just as the civil war was ramping up) and naively copied the statist planning economies that were in vogue in educated circles in the developing world at the time. One thing that stands out about the first generation of East African colonials was, in contrast to militant groups led by psychopaths in the vein of the Bolsheviks or the Maoists or even bombastic incompetents like Sukarno or Mobutu, was that they meant well, but they axiomatically applied what they learned in the academy. They genuinely didn't know any better. However, over the last couple of decades, things have changed around those parts, and Israeli and Chinese investment has bootstrapped a lot of interesting stuff. Lot of hugely interesting tech startups dealing with trade in East Africa sprouting up in Asia, for example.

    This mistake of simply copying whatever the more advanced countries were doing without adjusting to local conditions was far from limited to the left-wing in the Cold War, I might add: one of the big reasons's behind the Shah's downfall in Iran was his unquestioning application of everything "Western" to his society, above all, from the US. It's not that it didn't work, per se-Iran became much more affluent and modernized during his reign. But he didn't adapt his political system to accommodate how fast he wanted to go, socially, economically, and above all, in making Iran more secular and attached to its old Persian identity at Islam's expense. (It certainly didn't help that his land reforms targeted the ulema clergy, and of course, that the White Revolution created a lot of jobless graduates that were easy pickings for the Islamists.) King Faisal in Saudi Arabia hauntingly reminded him in one letter when the Shah exhorted him to reform and liberalize his country that he ruled a Muslim country, not Sweden or France.

    , @Kyle
    They aren't conducting the survey, that's what they're doing right.
  2. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    https://qz.com/1236213/europes-black-population-has-increased-by-at-least-a-million-over-the-last-decade/

    It’s difficult to quantify the overall black population in Europe, simply because many European countries refuse to collect racial data on their citizens. Instead, some European countries collect data on the country of origin of its migrant population and the number of citizens who are children of migrants. With a pan-European black identity starting to emerge in recent years, there are calls for the EU to begin collecting racial data.

  3. Even Africans hate living among Africans.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Most Africans I've met have no intention of ever going back, not even on vacation. The very idea of returning to Africa fills them with terror. Africans hate Africa.
  4. The biggest unintended consequence of smart phones, social media & mass internet access:
    Turbo-charging the draw of migrants to the docile Libtard West & facilitating their easy passage.
    Dudes, we are in deep doodoo. Walls & marine patrols will be the bare minimum we need. More like we’ll have to barricade the southern borders of Tunisia, Libya, Algeria & then some..

    • Replies: @Altai
    This. It's all set up in guides on the internet and visions of what others have got in the West lead to more and more people leaving until a young man in a certain village simply needs to go abroad to get anywhere socially. The internet also leads to people knowing in advance what welfare programmes there are in countries and what they need to say to gain asylum status.

    Add in ethnic nepotism and monopolization of certain jobs (Jobs also not being advertised properly but through social networks of immigrants) and you have an immigrant economy that suffocates the young natives and leads to even more crashing birth rates and generation times.
    , @MG
    Speaking of unintended consequences, who enabled China’s rise? The same Masters of the Universe lecturing us today.
    , @Almost Missouri
    A quarter century ago, I worked for a contractor that, among other things, laid undersea telecommunications cable. Thanks to technical advances, at that time, the parts of the world that could afford undersea cable had all the cabling they wanted. But the contractor was a big company and didn't want to stop laying cable just because of a little thing like no one paying for it anymore. So they looked at at a global map and noticed that there were no cables around Africa. The reason was pretty obvious: Africans were poor and no one wanted to communicate with them, at least no one who can afford the nine+ figure price tag of new cabling.

    Undaunted (and facing a market slump), the corporate execs put together a proposal for one of the biggest cabling projects in history: a massive undersea cable encircling Africa with landings at every significant city, making all of coastal Africa, and eventually the interior, accessible to the global telecommunications network. (It had to be undersea, because overland cables would be subject to too much vibrancy and shrinkage. Also, Africans are even less interested in talking to other Africans than they are in talking to the First World. This was not part of the official pitch, for some reason.) Of course, Africans didn't care much about this stupid white man's project either, certainly not enough to chip in any money for it, so the execs pitched it to Western governments and aid organizations (i.e., unelected government organizations). Or, in other words, they knew Africans wouldn't pay for it, so they decided you could instead. I'm sure you know the rhetoric: "It may look like lost money now, but imagine the possibilities once telecommunication become cheap and widespread!' "African Einsteins", etc.

    Ultimately, that particular project was a little too ambitious for the globalists of those days.
    Nevertheless the same result did get built piecemeal in several other projects, partly financed the same way (i.e., by you). No African Einsteins are on the horizon yet, but the sciences of border-jumping and asylum-scamming are mushrooming and crowd-sourced, so there's that.

    Besides my deep misgivings about the costs and consequences of the project, it was for me also an early inkling that a free market does not equal a rational market, and that an open market is subject to perverse manipulation and influence. So paradoxically, one can only have free and open markets if they are implacably guarded and policed. Hence libertarianism can only destroy itself.
  5. I have to say, Steve, you are an incredible source of food for thought. I have been giving links to your pithy comments to people who might be receptive to them and I always learn something new.

    Also, damn! This is the world in which, if I am lucky, I will spend the next 50 years. As Thomas Paine said, may the trouble come in our time, so that our children may know peace.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Fifty years, sorry to hear that. I’ve got only 12–15. The near-term future of the West makes dying look not so bad by comparison.
  6. This is why Poland and Hungary would be crazy to accept some of Merkel’s Million Marching Muslim: they would establish beachheads to be exploited by their family and friends over the generations.

    Right now we’re getting a lot of people from Ukraine and Belarus, but our greedy capitalists are already eyeing South Asia (Nepal and India in particular). Poland may be poorer than West, but it isn’t as poor as you think. Our net wages are roughly one half to one third of those in the West, but we also have much lower living costs, so the actual difference is closer.

    Compared to any SSA or MENA or South Asian country, we are leagues ahead and our labour market is quite good these days. Low unemployment and solid wage growth (~4% in real terms last year and likely this year too). Poland will unlikely ever have the same problems that France or Sweden has, but I expect it to have the same amount of non-whites as, say, Denmark has by 2030 or 2035. Denmark is roughly 91% white. Poland is virtually 99% white. Even higher if you only count those with citizenship.

    Still, the experience of others shows us that once people stay for extended periods in your country, sooner or later they will get citizenship even if it is against the law and/or it was never intended to happen. Look at the German Gastarbeiters. Look at the US illegal alien population. Now Trump is accusing the dems for being not pro-DACA enough.

    So, if we count those who live illegally and those who are guest workers, Poland is maybe 99% white today, since the vast bulk of our foreign workers are Eastern Europeans but this will change by the 2020s. And these workers will also use chain migration.

    Ultimately, by 2030, I think AI will be so advanced that much of human labour will be superflous. We can already see it coming for cars but Amazon is already having cashier-free stores being tried out. Drones will be used for transport of goods within the city. And so on. Those countries with large surplus populations will have a massive headache.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    The superflouesness of physical labor has been forecasted since ages. It will not happen.
    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    I have a need for an Anti-Immigraton Party.

    Will free market satisfy my need or it will turn out it is bullshit again?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Don't open your borders. Never, never, even open your borders. And if you can send the open borders advocates elsewhere, do so. It is the only way you can keep your country.
    , @Anonymous
    As long as Poland remains in the EU, it has absolutely no choice or say whatsoever in the 'migrants' from other EU states who choose to settle in Poland. Rather ironically, given the massive Polish diaspora in the UK.
    Now, Poland will only get progressively richer in the coming decades, and the third world origin population of the western EU will only increase, not least because of EU refusal to ditch the Geneva Convention.
    It's fairly obvious how the future will pan out for Poland.
    , @Anonymous
    No one but no one, 50 years' ago, ever predicted that Sweden would be headed for majority non white status by 2100.
  7. If people don’t want to live in a white society then they won’t. It’s that simple. This is not an unstoppable process. Not only can it be stopped, it can be reversed.

    The language of ‘inevitability’ is always thrown around but it’s bullshit. A problem created by man can also be solved by man. But nothing will be done unless white people decide to junk civic nationalism and it’s utter and complete failure.

    • Agree: BenKenobi, Anonym
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Agree.
    , @Tyrion 2
    Name one society that lasted even just a generation and was governed according to the type of explicit white racial nationalism which you describe.

    New things are always possible but reaslism is dealing with people as they are not as you want them to be.
  8. I will not rest until 100% of would-be African emigrants have Israel as their #1 destination choice. And by “#1” I mean “only.”

  9. Now would be a good time to link open borders with Mark Zuckerberg now that his popularity is dropping.

    E.g. a smart GOP (I realize that is almost oxymoronic) candidate could put a photo of zuckerberg in ads ( I believe that was done in the David brat/ Eric cantor race)

    I think we should brand the status quo as “reckless immigration” and restrictionist as “prudent immigration “

  10. “What’s behind the widespread appeal of migrating in some sub-Saharan countries? ”

    That is a puzzle wrapped inside a mystery, indeed, but I’ll venture a guess: people want to leave because those places are shitholes.

  11. Here in Rome, where I’m most definitely not enjoying what was supposed to be a family vacation that turned into a horrible health crisis for our daughter (currently recovering well as far as we can tell at the Bambino Gesu Pediatric Hospital, thank God), the Africans have over the years become an increasingly obvious addition to the population.

    Most notable around our rented apartment near the Campo de’ Fiori are East Africans–specifically Eritreans, who were touchingly overflowing a nearby church this Sunday morning and last. I generally like them and nevertheless don’t want them inundating Italy, the rest of Europe, the US, etc. etc.

    In the case of the US, we need to work hard to ensure that the Zeroth Amendment isn’t legislated even further into the Statutes of Liberty for everyone on Earth to invade willy-nilly. How we can prevent it I don’t know, but we do need to try.

    • Replies: @benjaminl
    Good wishes for your daughter's health.
    , @Big Bill
    How lovely in translation: "Baby Jesus Pediatrics Hospital".
  12. low-skilled jobs are disappearing; these migrants know that, so I can only surmise that they covet European/US social welfare programs. I don’t blame them for wanting to leave Africa. But our boat is full. We need to produce serious films about the deleterious consequences of sub-Saharan migration

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    low-skilled jobs are disappearing; these migrants know that, so I can only surmise that they covet European/US social welfare programs. I don’t blame them for wanting to leave Africa. But our boat is full.
     
    Horrible argument... Jobs aren't disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale. On a strict free market basis, I support freedom of migration. Freedom of migration conflicts with the premise of democracy and self-rule and devolution of power, which is why I oppose it for now.
  13. @Seth Largo
    What are Tanzania and Kenya doing right?

    What are Tanzania and Kenya doing right?

    Selling cell phones to Nigerian’s so they can see how good the living in is in the US vs. Tanzania and Kenya?

  14. Never mind that. Forget about mass migration into our country.

    We need more money for our military — to be prepared for war in the Middle East and the Korean Peninsula — and to fight those evil, manipulating Russians. Our focus must continue to be on defending and furthering the interests of Samsung, LG, Exxon Mobil, and our greatest allies in Israel.

    Remember the War on Terror™ hasn’t ended either — and never will.

    Oh, and we have to build a new commuter tunnel so people can get from Jersey to Manhattan for work.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    That's a great pic. Look at the smug smirks on the faces of Ryan and McConnell.

    There could be a thought bubble above each of their heads - "What was 7 may now be 3."
  15. @Polish Perspective

    This is why Poland and Hungary would be crazy to accept some of Merkel’s Million Marching Muslim: they would establish beachheads to be exploited by their family and friends over the generations.
     
    Right now we're getting a lot of people from Ukraine and Belarus, but our greedy capitalists are already eyeing South Asia (Nepal and India in particular). Poland may be poorer than West, but it isn't as poor as you think. Our net wages are roughly one half to one third of those in the West, but we also have much lower living costs, so the actual difference is closer.

    Compared to any SSA or MENA or South Asian country, we are leagues ahead and our labour market is quite good these days. Low unemployment and solid wage growth (~4% in real terms last year and likely this year too). Poland will unlikely ever have the same problems that France or Sweden has, but I expect it to have the same amount of non-whites as, say, Denmark has by 2030 or 2035. Denmark is roughly 91% white. Poland is virtually 99% white. Even higher if you only count those with citizenship.

    Still, the experience of others shows us that once people stay for extended periods in your country, sooner or later they will get citizenship even if it is against the law and/or it was never intended to happen. Look at the German Gastarbeiters. Look at the US illegal alien population. Now Trump is accusing the dems for being not pro-DACA enough.

    So, if we count those who live illegally and those who are guest workers, Poland is maybe 99% white today, since the vast bulk of our foreign workers are Eastern Europeans but this will change by the 2020s. And these workers will also use chain migration.

    Ultimately, by 2030, I think AI will be so advanced that much of human labour will be superflous. We can already see it coming for cars but Amazon is already having cashier-free stores being tried out. Drones will be used for transport of goods within the city. And so on. Those countries with large surplus populations will have a massive headache.

    The superflouesness of physical labor has been forecasted since ages. It will not happen.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    I agree with respect to skilled labor. We'll always need good carpenters, plumbers & electricians - and certainly construction workers -- but what about factory workers? Cashiers? These low-skilled lever-pulling jobs will be swept away. Japan is proving that you don't need a lot of drone work.
    , @Anonymous
    No.

    It *has* happened.

    Just look at the unemployment rates of workers designated as 'unskilled' across most western nations.
  16. One of the really surprising delusions on the Left now is that Africa will be the “next China.” It is really quite startling to hear people say that. I don’t think the old Left believed anything half as crazy as that. Maybe, they mean China will invade Africa?

    It’s easy to write off the “next Einstein” being found in Africa as an excess of rhetoric, but Africa becoming the “next China” is incredibly insane. It was not China three thousand years ago, so how can it become China now?

    • Replies: @Altai
    Holy moly I found a great one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdZZHFne4Q

    Germany based Nigerian activist, Rex Osa of the Voice Refugee Forum shed light on the harsh treatment Nigerian refugees and asylum seekers face in Germany and the little help the Nigerian Embassy in Germany provides. "Deportation we know is the culture in Germany," explained Osa. He described the deplorable living conditions of refugees in Germany and the restrictions put on those with the status. "As a refugee in Germany you are not allowed to go outside your district. If you are by chance caught outside you are penalized," said Osa, who accused the Nigerian Embassy in Germany of being involved in a "deportation scheme."
     
    Why would people claiming asylum from Nigeria expect help from the government they are ostensibly fleeing?

    Also would the restrictions and lack of respect for a Nigerian passport have anything to do with all the rampant asylum fraud? Because the numbers alone would indicate that it is fraud even if it wasn't so well documented how many Nigerian asylum seekers are denied.

    Also what benefit does the Nigerian embassy in Germany have in engaging in a 'deportation scheme'? Are they also not obliged to help repatriate their nationals?

    These people don't see what they're doing as abnormal at this stage, they think of it as normal immigration and get annoyed when they can't just show up in Germany and get access to it's labour market and welfare whilst abusing a system set up to help legitimate asylum seekers.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Maybe, they mean China will invade Africa?
     
    The Chinese already have. They are strip mining the natural resources of Africa. If we point it out, the Chinese will insist we are racists.
    , @Daniel H
    >>One of the really surprising delusions on the Left now is that Africa will be the “next China.”

    I think that it is important to clarify by what we mean as left. I would include the National Review/Commentary/Wall Street Journal/Davos man types as leftists , as much as any university Marxist. The "Conservative" left is even more delusional than the Marxist left.
    , @nebulafox
    Do I think Africa is going to be the next China? No, for the same reasons that Vietnam and India are not the new China, or that China was not the new South Korea or Japan or Singapore back in the day. Each part of the world has its own culture and politics and thus will develop-or not develop-according to what happens there. To say that the smarter dictators in Africa are using parts of China's path to development that are adaptable in their own countries is more accurate, on the other hand, but that's not as catchy.

    Africa is gigantic. Somalia is not Rwanda, which is not Angola. It has massive religious (in particular, the Muslim/Christian divide, which is a massive problem in Nigeria right now), cultural, and ethnic differences across different peoples on the continent. Do I think some parts of Africa are going to boom tremendously over the coming century, carrying with it a massive raise in living standards, IQ, and development? Yes. But do I think that other parts of Africa, if current trends continue, are going to degenerate further into unimaginable hellholes that is going to tremendously negatively impact the world? Without question. In particular, the specter of 800 million Nigerians coming out of a country facing massive ethnic and sectarian conflict is going to become a major policy issue in the West, no matter how much our elites wish think African population growth is not a Respectable Topic.

    One other thing to note: I've mentioned that one way China is attacking the problem of single men is exporting them abroad and having them marry foreigners. I occasionally wonder how will impact things with the Africans if the local Chinese (who, like most communities of their type throughout the millenia, from Spanish conquistadors to German Osteidlung settlers, are overwhelmingly male) take African women as wives. This has been seen already with migrants in Russia's Far East, where there is a surplus of females who think-usually quite rationally-that the Chinese men are better husband material, and with Vietnam, which despite its hot-house growth at the moment, is still a poor place with a shared Confucian cultural tradition and plenty of poor village girls who would be satisfied with a "less impoverished" rural lifestyle. Given China's usually quite absorptive culture, it stands a pretty good chance of success in the long run, as the kids will presumably go to school in China, grow up speaking Mandarin, and marry into the gene pool.

    However, this policy has its limits, based largely on individual decisions, no matter what the CPC has in mind to try and uphold social stability by ensuring as many young men get wives as possible: some of the PRC Chinese who've flooded into Vientiane in recent years insist on going back to China to try and get wives rather than marrying Lao women, and they cite the cultural gap as a major reason why. I can only imagine that Africa would be even more extreme. This'll be interesting to see.

  17. Of course, we could turn these grasping vermin into bobbing Swiss cheese. But that won’t happen, bc it’s vitally important that inhuman vermin get to exercise their “rights” at my expense. Bc Hitler or something

  18. I am getting increasingly upset with the high levels of anti-Gentilism here.

    Up to a billion 100% genuine Gentiles may be moving to Europe to improve their lives. Furthernore such a movement will raise the Gentile percentage in Europe to levels not seen in two millenia.

    And what is the reaction here? Complete hostility.

    It’s a good thing that anti-Gentilism isn’t a much used word.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    It’s a good thing that anti-Gentilism isn’t a much used word.

    That's why I prefer anti-White. It's somewhat like the mirror-image of anti-Semitism in that it also can include "our fellow Whites" depending on their attitude, although because of said attitudes usually doesn't. Compare with the other Semitic peoples. The war in Iraq was technically anti-Semitic, but not in usual meaning.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Up to a billion 100% genuine Gentiles may be moving to Europe to improve their lives."
     
    I assume you are trolling, but just in case you actually believe what you write...

    If you mean "Gentile" as a synonym fo "Christian", recall that Africa is heavily colonized by Islam, and most of the Christianity is only nominal, so not particularly "genuine".

    If you mean "Gentile" only as "non-Jewish", Europe is already overwhelmingly non-Jewish, so millions of extra non-Jews aren't going to change the picture for Jews much, except by making the place much less livable.
  19. I’m sure those nations, many of whom are known for having both unaccountable police forces and well-armed border patrols, will welcome them with open arms.

  20. @Meretricious
    low-skilled jobs are disappearing; these migrants know that, so I can only surmise that they covet European/US social welfare programs. I don't blame them for wanting to leave Africa. But our boat is full. We need to produce serious films about the deleterious consequences of sub-Saharan migration

    low-skilled jobs are disappearing; these migrants know that, so I can only surmise that they covet European/US social welfare programs. I don’t blame them for wanting to leave Africa. But our boat is full.

    Horrible argument… Jobs aren’t disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale. On a strict free market basis, I support freedom of migration. Freedom of migration conflicts with the premise of democracy and self-rule and devolution of power, which is why I oppose it for now.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    yes, more low-IQ people will require more social workers etc. Is that your point? Who is going to pay the social workers?
    , @peterike
    “Jobs aren’t disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale.”

    Boy are you stupid. Now cancel your subscription to The Economist. It will do you good.
    , @schnellandine

    Jobs aren’t disappearing. More people means more work to do.
     
    Yes, an influx of net tax eaters means plenty more work to do. I'd rather not, if it's the unpaid sort of work. Is that okay?

    Joe Sobran, whose incision I've been enjoying on video, proposed that, at least, tax eaters should be disallowed voting. Put that in place immediately please, including the eaters at "private" companies contracted by the state.
    , @Yak-15
    No. More low-skilled, low IQ people will have less capital to work with and less productivity potential will be a massive net drain on society. We have tens of millions of their African American/Brazillian/Carribbean brothers already here.

    How well are they doing bettering the economy?
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Do you ever use the term "diseconomy of scale?" You should start.
  21. Someone should tell them that there are lots of opportunities for Black African farmers in South Africa.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    South Africa has had Nigerians since the 90s. They have a reputation for controlling the drug and prostitution trade. The movie "Jerusalema" has some Nigerian drug dealers who meet sticky end, if I remember correctly. There have been black anti-foreigner riots ("xenophobia") in South Africa for years, with real and imaginary refugees targeted.

    District 9 was loosely based on black South African "xenophobia".

    As for the white farmers, back in the day, they'd have saddled up and hunted down the killers.. But they've softened up a lot, and are paying the price. Mbeki ended the Kommandos, but the last decade has so weakened the government that they could easily be re-formed if the farmers had the will to protect themselves, with the government unable to stop them-or even reluctantly supporting them. Instead, the Boer are being emasculated and turned into victims.

  22. This hard-headed realization soon, however, drifted toward outright pacifism.

    Have you read Pat Buchanan’s book “Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War”? He argues that the British security guarantee to Poland was a huge blunder, and that, since Hitler had no interest in going to war with anyone west of the Rhine, the British and French should have just let him fight the war he really wanted to fight against the USSR.

    • Replies: @peterike
    “He argues that the British security guarantee to Poland was a huge blunder,”

    Since the point of that was, in fact, to start a war, it worked exactly as planned.
    , @Anonym
    Due to the lack of gratitude expressed through words and action, I agree, it would have been better to just let Hitler and Stalin duke it out. Hitler was not anti-Western Europe or anti-Southern Europe at all. I suspect that if he could see what Russia looked like today he would not be anti-Eastern Europe either, as they successfully threw off the shackles of Jewish Communism fairly rapidly, and Communism after a few more decades. It looked pretty dire at the time.

    They used to say "If we hadn't defeated Hitler, we'd be speaking German now!". Without US and UK support there is a good chance that the Germans may have won. I think German would be a lot easier language to learn than Urdu or Mandarin or whatever language is spoken by the people who our elites want to replace us with.

    What good did Churchill accomplish? He lost the empire, and within a century Britain has become a place where Pakistani rape gangs prevail without punishment, London no longer appears majority ethnic British, and the Prime Minister criminalizes speaking out about it. A portrait of Churchill should appear in the dictionary next to the definition of Pyrrhic victory.
    , @Anonymous
    Yep.

    Give a Hitler a free hand.

    How wonderful.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Yes, and I haven't been able to dismiss Buchanan's argument from my mind ever since. It is the only mainstream counter to the conventional WWII myths.

    Of course it was hysterically denounced by the usual suspects, even though Buchanan took pains to point out that the Holocaust got murderous only after the Western powers declared war on Germany and closed off emigration routes. But for the critics, I guess it is better for millions to die than to suffer an antisemite to live.
  23. @Buzz Mohawk
    Never mind that. Forget about mass migration into our country.

    We need more money for our military -- to be prepared for war in the Middle East and the Korean Peninsula -- and to fight those evil, manipulating Russians. Our focus must continue to be on defending and furthering the interests of Samsung, LG, Exxon Mobil, and our greatest allies in Israel.

    Remember the War on Terror™ hasn't ended either -- and never will.

    Oh, and we have to build a new commuter tunnel so people can get from Jersey to Manhattan for work.

    https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.corvetteforum.com-vbulletin/504x335/80-flag_draped_caskets_b84fe07d49c55907eb907a557be97261f00cada8.jpg
    http://www.fortliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/us-flag-upside-down.gif
    https://www.republicreport.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/trump-ryan-mcconnell.jpg

    That’s a great pic. Look at the smug smirks on the faces of Ryan and McConnell.

    There could be a thought bubble above each of their heads – “What was 7 may now be 3.”

  24. @Massimo Heitor

    low-skilled jobs are disappearing; these migrants know that, so I can only surmise that they covet European/US social welfare programs. I don’t blame them for wanting to leave Africa. But our boat is full.
     
    Horrible argument... Jobs aren't disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale. On a strict free market basis, I support freedom of migration. Freedom of migration conflicts with the premise of democracy and self-rule and devolution of power, which is why I oppose it for now.

    yes, more low-IQ people will require more social workers etc. Is that your point? Who is going to pay the social workers?

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    yes, more low-IQ people will require more social workers etc. Is that your point? Who is going to pay the social workers?
     
    With a big welfare state, the tax base is coerced into paying for lavish social services. With a more free market system, only people who want social services and social workers pay for them.

    The open borders economists advocate that a shock of racial diversity will undermine national solidarity and undermine public support for the welfare state and enable free market reforms. They are probably exactly right. Your comments seem to back that up. I oppose open borders strongly btw, but I agree it will undermine support for the welfare state.
  25. @anony-mouse
    I am getting increasingly upset with the high levels of anti-Gentilism here.

    Up to a billion 100% genuine Gentiles may be moving to Europe to improve their lives. Furthernore such a movement will raise the Gentile percentage in Europe to levels not seen in two millenia.

    And what is the reaction here? Complete hostility.

    It's a good thing that anti-Gentilism isn't a much used word.

    It’s a good thing that anti-Gentilism isn’t a much used word.

    That’s why I prefer anti-White. It’s somewhat like the mirror-image of anti-Semitism in that it also can include “our fellow Whites” depending on their attitude, although because of said attitudes usually doesn’t. Compare with the other Semitic peoples. The war in Iraq was technically anti-Semitic, but not in usual meaning.

    • Replies: @Uncle Harold
    I've always been a fan of the terms "Caucaphobia" or "anti-Caucastic". If we were all Christian again, it would be a lot easier to refer to those that hate us. We could just go back to using the phrase "Satanic heathens"
  26. @Polish Perspective

    This is why Poland and Hungary would be crazy to accept some of Merkel’s Million Marching Muslim: they would establish beachheads to be exploited by their family and friends over the generations.
     
    Right now we're getting a lot of people from Ukraine and Belarus, but our greedy capitalists are already eyeing South Asia (Nepal and India in particular). Poland may be poorer than West, but it isn't as poor as you think. Our net wages are roughly one half to one third of those in the West, but we also have much lower living costs, so the actual difference is closer.

    Compared to any SSA or MENA or South Asian country, we are leagues ahead and our labour market is quite good these days. Low unemployment and solid wage growth (~4% in real terms last year and likely this year too). Poland will unlikely ever have the same problems that France or Sweden has, but I expect it to have the same amount of non-whites as, say, Denmark has by 2030 or 2035. Denmark is roughly 91% white. Poland is virtually 99% white. Even higher if you only count those with citizenship.

    Still, the experience of others shows us that once people stay for extended periods in your country, sooner or later they will get citizenship even if it is against the law and/or it was never intended to happen. Look at the German Gastarbeiters. Look at the US illegal alien population. Now Trump is accusing the dems for being not pro-DACA enough.

    So, if we count those who live illegally and those who are guest workers, Poland is maybe 99% white today, since the vast bulk of our foreign workers are Eastern Europeans but this will change by the 2020s. And these workers will also use chain migration.

    Ultimately, by 2030, I think AI will be so advanced that much of human labour will be superflous. We can already see it coming for cars but Amazon is already having cashier-free stores being tried out. Drones will be used for transport of goods within the city. And so on. Those countries with large surplus populations will have a massive headache.

    I have a need for an Anti-Immigraton Party.

    Will free market satisfy my need or it will turn out it is bullshit again?

  27. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    Even Africans hate living among Africans.

    Most Africans I’ve met have no intention of ever going back, not even on vacation. The very idea of returning to Africa fills them with terror. Africans hate Africa.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Africans hate Africa
     
    No one wants to live in a sh!thole.
    , @Almost Missouri
    I used to work for an organization that sponsored temporary work visas for foreigners in the US. The likelihood of the visa holder overstaying was directly proportional to how much of a sh!thole their native country was. For the Africans we sponsored, 0% returned to their homeland. They are all still here.

    This is not to say that I didn't like and get along with most of them. I did. I just have no illusion about the wedge that they represent the thin edge of.

    BTW, if the Dept. of Homeland Security were on the ball, they would stop giving visas to organizations that don't repatriate the expiring visa holders they already have. I could never understand how we kept getting more visas when so many of our previous visa issuees were overstaying. The organization would have certainly have policed their visa issuees better if future visas depended on it. But the visas didn't depend on it, so the organization didn't bother about them.

    This doesn't require a legislative change, just for the Executive branch to take its job seriously.
  28. I posted this a while ago. It’s a 10 year old documentary about African asylum seekers that have established a beachhead in Argentina.

    It has it all including the educated African asylum seeker who now has a full time job as an ethnic activist. The overflow will flow into a lot of countries we traditionally don’t think as being wealthy enough to attract African asylum seekers. Also a growing number are now present in Russia. As in Poland the nucleus was foreign students but over time it’s has grown with visa overstays forming communities.

    This is ultimately a form of human flood management.

    There’s also a growing sub-continental presence in Germany now that people there realised German higher education is free for all, including foreigners.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    How many Africans are now in Argentina 10 years later? It doesn't seem like the beachhead has expanded.

    Same will go for Poland and Hungry. They can accept thousands of migrants this year based on Germany's allocation scheme, and it won't matter in the long run because those economies like Argentina are not in good shape and aren't getting better.

    2017
    Hungary 13,459 ($ per capita)
    Poland 13,429

    2008
    Hungary 15,659
    Poland 13,910
    , @Lot
    Mexico is also starting to get African illegal immigrants. Mexico's per capita GDP is about ten times higher than the African average.
  29. Well it seems to me that United States is a few giant bodies of water removed from the continent of Africa. Surely the Europeans have far more to worry about potentially than we do.

    I’ve always wondered whether or not many of sub-Saharan Africa’s problems might be ameliorated if say men like uh Chanda Chisala became African Big Men with 1000 wives or whatever, instead of the usual incompetents who rise to that rank… Might not Nigeria’s woes be mitigated to some non-trivial extent if cognitively elite Igbo were the alpha males with the harem?

  30. @Massimo Heitor

    low-skilled jobs are disappearing; these migrants know that, so I can only surmise that they covet European/US social welfare programs. I don’t blame them for wanting to leave Africa. But our boat is full.
     
    Horrible argument... Jobs aren't disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale. On a strict free market basis, I support freedom of migration. Freedom of migration conflicts with the premise of democracy and self-rule and devolution of power, which is why I oppose it for now.

    “Jobs aren’t disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale.”

    Boy are you stupid. Now cancel your subscription to The Economist. It will do you good.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    Boy are you stupid. Now cancel your subscription to The Economist. It will do you good.
     
    Peterike, like most Nationalist-Leftists, wants intra-white socialism since he wants successful whites to support him.

    Despite failure in country after country (Venezuela being the latest), these Nationalist-Leftists are just a variant of socialists, none of whom ever learn.

    Always remember that the WN candidate was not Trump, but Sanders.
  31. @the Supreme Gentleman

    This hard-headed realization soon, however, drifted toward outright pacifism.
     
    Have you read Pat Buchanan's book "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War"? He argues that the British security guarantee to Poland was a huge blunder, and that, since Hitler had no interest in going to war with anyone west of the Rhine, the British and French should have just let him fight the war he really wanted to fight against the USSR.

    “He argues that the British security guarantee to Poland was a huge blunder,”

    Since the point of that was, in fact, to start a war, it worked exactly as planned.

  32. @the Supreme Gentleman

    This hard-headed realization soon, however, drifted toward outright pacifism.
     
    Have you read Pat Buchanan's book "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War"? He argues that the British security guarantee to Poland was a huge blunder, and that, since Hitler had no interest in going to war with anyone west of the Rhine, the British and French should have just let him fight the war he really wanted to fight against the USSR.

    Due to the lack of gratitude expressed through words and action, I agree, it would have been better to just let Hitler and Stalin duke it out. Hitler was not anti-Western Europe or anti-Southern Europe at all. I suspect that if he could see what Russia looked like today he would not be anti-Eastern Europe either, as they successfully threw off the shackles of Jewish Communism fairly rapidly, and Communism after a few more decades. It looked pretty dire at the time.

    They used to say “If we hadn’t defeated Hitler, we’d be speaking German now!”. Without US and UK support there is a good chance that the Germans may have won. I think German would be a lot easier language to learn than Urdu or Mandarin or whatever language is spoken by the people who our elites want to replace us with.

    What good did Churchill accomplish? He lost the empire, and within a century Britain has become a place where Pakistani rape gangs prevail without punishment, London no longer appears majority ethnic British, and the Prime Minister criminalizes speaking out about it. A portrait of Churchill should appear in the dictionary next to the definition of Pyrrhic victory.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The man who lost the empire was Chamberlain. The significance of Churchill was to ensure that the U.S. not Germany would benefit from this.
  33. : Yes, I’ve read a large part of it.

    That said, though, ultimately, the main fight in the European theater of World War II *was* between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Also, while you could argue that the Western powers should have completely stayed out of World War II, please keep in mind that without the Western powers, the Soviet Union might have fallen. As much as a loathe the Soviet Union, its fall would have probably meant the expulsion of tens of millions of Slavs or more to the territories east of the Urals.

  34. @Seth Largo
    What are Tanzania and Kenya doing right?

    Kenya’s economy is booming, one of the fastest growing economy in Sub-Sahara. According to the world bank it registered 5.8% growth in 2016. Last year it inaugurated the largest infrastructure project in the country’s history since its independence and one of the largest in East Africa in as many years, the standard gauge railway from Mombasa to Nairobi. This news was pretty much censored in the West MSM. When the railway was officially opened last summer, I made it a point to check on the coverage in all the major news media such as WSJ, NYT, Guardian..etc. and none of them carry it, even though these newspapers has a dedicated Africa section! Here is a three part series of censored China’s propaganda if you are interested.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9_m20MCuGw

    • Replies: @John Achterhof
    Thanks for sharing - I watched the first video. A good story of rail designed with great consideration to the spectacular natural environment, and a remarkable collaborative effort between the Chinese and the locals in completing this major infrastructure project.
    , @Tyrion 2
    Unfortunately Kenya's economy is not as rosy as the video makes out.

    It is true that real GDP grew 5.6% in 2016 but the population grew 2.6%, and given the population structure, the working age population probably grew at 3%.

    This results in a real GDP per capita growth rate of probably only 2.6%, as adjusted for demographics.

    Furthermore, the government operates with an 8% deficit, which more than explains the 2.6% growth rate. GDP being simply a measure of spending.

    And these are the best of times for Kenya.

    If somehow they continue as is and the world forgives Kenya's deficits forever and a bunch of other impossible things, then Kenya will have the GDP per capita in 50 years that Iraq has now.

    Yes, that is Iraq after almost 2 decades of civil war/invasion including the second largest urban area becoming the shining city of the Caliphate.

    What's worse is that Kenya is indeed a bright spot. Nigeria shows nothing like its promise and by the time Kenya reaches the above according to the ideal scenario, Nigeria will have a population of 600 million.

    On the other hand, life will likely go on. The wealthy and the smart will likely do well and live well. Both this and the above can easily be true at the same time but it behooves us to remember that Sub-Saharan Africa will remain exceptionally poor and undeveloped for at least our life times - even in the most favourable of circumstances.

    I feel bad writing it. It is talking down the chances of a whole continent but it is undeniable.

    European man, look at the inheritance your ancestors gave you, and be grateful! No one will admire you for throwing/giving it all away. Indeed, they will despise you for it.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    This bespeaks a possible solution. We can take all the money we currently spend on immigrants and other boondoggles here and make their countries better there. That might happen, as even our cocooned elites find that mass immigration makes their desired living standards impossible.
  35. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    The biggest unintended consequence of smart phones, social media & mass internet access:
    Turbo-charging the draw of migrants to the docile Libtard West & facilitating their easy passage.
    Dudes, we are in deep doodoo. Walls & marine patrols will be the bare minimum we need. More like we'll have to barricade the southern borders of Tunisia, Libya, Algeria & then some..

    This. It’s all set up in guides on the internet and visions of what others have got in the West lead to more and more people leaving until a young man in a certain village simply needs to go abroad to get anywhere socially. The internet also leads to people knowing in advance what welfare programmes there are in countries and what they need to say to gain asylum status.

    Add in ethnic nepotism and monopolization of certain jobs (Jobs also not being advertised properly but through social networks of immigrants) and you have an immigrant economy that suffocates the young natives and leads to even more crashing birth rates and generation times.

  36. Can we get a link to the Pew Research Center report from which this information is taken?

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>Can we get a link to the Pew Research Center report from which this information is taken?

    C'mon. Google.

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2018/03/22/at-least-a-million-sub-saharan-africans-moved-to-europe-since-2010/
  37. @songbird
    One of the really surprising delusions on the Left now is that Africa will be the "next China." It is really quite startling to hear people say that. I don't think the old Left believed anything half as crazy as that. Maybe, they mean China will invade Africa?

    It's easy to write off the "next Einstein" being found in Africa as an excess of rhetoric, but Africa becoming the "next China" is incredibly insane. It was not China three thousand years ago, so how can it become China now?

    Holy moly I found a great one.

    Germany based Nigerian activist, Rex Osa of the Voice Refugee Forum shed light on the harsh treatment Nigerian refugees and asylum seekers face in Germany and the little help the Nigerian Embassy in Germany provides. “Deportation we know is the culture in Germany,” explained Osa. He described the deplorable living conditions of refugees in Germany and the restrictions put on those with the status. “As a refugee in Germany you are not allowed to go outside your district. If you are by chance caught outside you are penalized,” said Osa, who accused the Nigerian Embassy in Germany of being involved in a “deportation scheme.”

    Why would people claiming asylum from Nigeria expect help from the government they are ostensibly fleeing?

    Also would the restrictions and lack of respect for a Nigerian passport have anything to do with all the rampant asylum fraud? Because the numbers alone would indicate that it is fraud even if it wasn’t so well documented how many Nigerian asylum seekers are denied.

    Also what benefit does the Nigerian embassy in Germany have in engaging in a ‘deportation scheme’? Are they also not obliged to help repatriate their nationals?

    These people don’t see what they’re doing as abnormal at this stage, they think of it as normal immigration and get annoyed when they can’t just show up in Germany and get access to it’s labour market and welfare whilst abusing a system set up to help legitimate asylum seekers.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I was in Germany way back in 2000, in an exchange program. Once, in a very small group (3) of few of us American males who were surprised at seeing blacks over there spoke to each other in a kind of half-joking candor about what was happening to both Europe and America.

    There's not a doubt in my mind that what Merkel did was way beyond each of our worst predictions, way back then. But it's really surprising how naive the average European is about race. One of the biggest open-border people I know is a German I met during that exchange program.

    It really brings home what fools we were on both sides. How many high school exchanges are between some real European city and an American suburb? Is there even one between two real cities? Is there a single European who went on one of those exchanges who understands why? We didn't tell them, and how else were they supposed to learn?

    All they got on the American side is the Hollywood propaganda, and all they got on the German side was the shaming culture about the war. I mean, there's actually a day when they celebrate their surrender. And the Holocaust shaming starts when they are very young.
    , @Anonymous
    They have no intrinsic sense of shame, or neither a sense of 'right and wrong' - which is obvious by their actions.
    Indeed their bumrushing of Europe is a pure act of naked aggression.

    The sad fact is that this is a terrible indictment of the characters of those who seek to become the dominant European population. If they are pathologically dishonest in this, purely administrative instance - just imagine how dishonest they will be in every other area of life?

    Also, note, how the Left and The Economist are totally blind to this aggression and dishonesty, to the extent of amplifying it themselves.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Are [embassies] also not obliged to help repatriate their nationals?"
     
    You probably know this, but mass migration is the method by which "sh!thole" countries export their surplus population and even reap foreign remittances from them. So no, "sh!thole" embassies do not at all want to repatriate their nationals. That would be contrary to their own national interest which was to send them here in the first place.

    Worse, powerful actors and surprising portions of the first world populace want this foreign invasion too and resent foreign nationals being repatriated.

    Your attachment to the traditional purpose and duties of foreign embassies is touching, but it is sadly obsolete in The Current Year. They are here to invade. You are here to accept. All else is Racism.

  38. @peterike
    “Jobs aren’t disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale.”

    Boy are you stupid. Now cancel your subscription to The Economist. It will do you good.

    Boy are you stupid. Now cancel your subscription to The Economist. It will do you good.

    Peterike, like most Nationalist-Leftists, wants intra-white socialism since he wants successful whites to support him.

    Despite failure in country after country (Venezuela being the latest), these Nationalist-Leftists are just a variant of socialists, none of whom ever learn.

    Always remember that the WN candidate was not Trump, but Sanders.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Always remember that the WN candidate was not Trump, but Sanders.

    Who can forget Sanders' valiant refusal to submit to BLM? The perfect WN candidate!

    http://www.seattleglobalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Bernie-Sanders-Black-Lives-Matter-2869.jpg
  39. The only possible solution here is if some CRISPR-type genetic editor can edit IQ up by 30 points per patient.

    Normal whites will go from 105 to 135.
    Blacks will go from 85 to 115.
    WNs will go from 70 to 100.

    Blacks are still lower than whites, but at least at a good absolute level. WNs will be less of a fly in the white ointment despite the same relative delta.

    That is the only scenario I can see for managing this torrent of Africans.

    • LOL: Yan Shen
    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Well once again I have to protest your characterization of WNs as the bottom rung of whites with average IQs of 70. That seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. For starters, our good host here Ron Unz has already pointed out that commenter atillathehen has an IQ of around 91. So at a minimum, one has to conclude that there's at least one WN with at least an IQ of 91! Thus your assertion is uh duly falsified...
    , @Pericles
    Lol, the high-achieving white leaves out Asians and Jews, but worse, doesn't understand genetics. Perhaps your role in the brave new world will be less prominent than you thought.
  40. Self Driving cars are decades away if that. There is just not enough local computing power (network latency = rain fade = running over some sympathetic pedestrian = big lawsuits) in cars to accomplish it, and the sensors themselves are lousy. Human beings are surprisingly good at interpolating data to figure out what’s in the fog, rain, dust obscuring the road.

    That being said, yes automation will put lots of people out of work. Lets not import lots of low cost low skill labor, or any other competitors to the working man. Unpopular I know, but there it is. [Yes, it IS unpopular. Blue Haired feminists, gender queer activists, media people, SJW cat ladies, most of the White female population, and all the upper class managerial set HATE the idea of the average working man enjoying anything near prosperity. And yes they do HATE HATE HATE it.]

    Thus mass Third World immigration will NEVER EVER STOP. Not now. NOT EVER. That battle was lost, a long time ago, and Trump rolling over like the giant cuck he is for the surrender in the rail car ala Petain is just the icing on the cake.

    The important thing is White IDENTITY. That means backing the White man around you legally and socially because he’s a White man. It means firearms ownership even wider and deeper, and combat training for all White men. REALITY: We live in the Wild West Frontier. Its just that the Cavalry comes to the aid of the Indians during a massacre of the settlers.

    The Government is and always will be the enemy of the White man being run for and by the natural and eternal enemy of the ordinary White beta male — the Upper Class White woman. Think Susan Wojicki (I know [[[Poles!]]] — EVERY.Single.TIME! ) Stop treating the government as anything other than Petainist collaborators.

    In less than ten years most or all White nations now will be minority White. And the African/Muslim conquerors will demand things out of you deplorables: that you work like devils to support them and their women (which will be your women now) and their kids. Imagine not Kamala Harris as President but Julius Malema of South Africa as President. For now, he’s calling on all White people to turn over ALL of their property, but not (for now) mass slaughter of Whites. For now.

    That is the future. You either put the boot in or someone else puts the boot into you. There is no possibility of stopping the African Tidal Wave anywhere save China and Japan which properly oppress their women so they don’t have a fifth column intent on replacing their men with more macho, lower iq versions as low rent Kardashian Rapper conquerors. So the proper course is to prepare for the present and future. Los Angeles might as well be the frontier of Wyoming or Texas in 1850. Save the Cavalry, once again, on the side of the outlaws, renegades, and Indians and always riding to their rescue.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    In the late 1990s juries in part of the deep South awarded civil judgements in tort suits over the diet drug known as fen phen HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in damages PER LAWSUIT....the dirty redneck trial lawyers even created a term for this...."jackpot justice":

    https://www.mslitigationreview.com/2014/05/articles/politics-in-mississippi/mississippi-tort-reform-10-years-later/

    https://www.amazon.com/Dispensing-Truth-Companies-Dramatic-Fen-Phen/dp/0312253249

    http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2008/04/fenphen_lawyers_awarded_414_mi.html

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1026083065483571680

    https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/oct/4/20031004-123030-2013r/

    I was told my aunt got her SSDI disability status by her attorney slipping the judge an envelope if you know what I mean.....and all the crooked good old boys do that....

    Now wait til these loaded to the teeth with money silicon valley tech companies crash their self driving big rigs or cabs and kill people in rural Alabama or Kentucky and the trial lawyers slip their wife's cousin the judge an envelope with 20k and he awards Bubba and his clients$350 million....now multiply that by 500 suits and judgements of that magnitude per month across dirt poor municipalities strapped for cash and of course the lawyers spread the cash around to friends and family etc....

    I agree, legal liability issues will bankrupt these firms long before they get on their two feet....look at the homeless lady who died in Arizona the other day..... because Uber malfunctioned or whatever
    , @Anonymous

    but Julius Malema of South Africa as President. For now, he’s calling on all White people to turn over ALL of their property, but not (for now) mass slaughter of Whites. For now.
     
    Too pessimistic.When women (even right-inclined women) start dominating the discourse, it inevitably becomes one of victimhood.

    Julias (original spelling) Malema is being given rope by the white monopoly capital that put Cyril Ramaphosa into power. Zuma had the South African state, with his allies ensconced in the cabinet Security Cluser, behind him, and he was flicked aside. The Zulu didn't rise up to support Zuma, and he's about to go on trial. Mad Juju's downfall won't be long coming. In the meantime the ZAR has recovered again, and the stock market isn't doing too badly.

    So the question is: who is going to support an advanced, exceptionally resource-rich economy populated by low-IQ muppets? The Chinese: perhaps, but they lack the natural aggression required to thrive in Africa. Indians? The Gupta brothers have made the natives wary of snake-charmers from the East. "White Monopoly Capital" (wink-wink) ..yeah they'll pull the strings, but there aren't a lot of them.

    That leaves one group that's got the intelligence and strength to get rich in South Africa. There will be some throwing of crumbs at the natives, but that's the price of doing business.
  41. We cannot get out. The shadow moves in the dark. We cannot get out. They are coming.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    We cannot get out. The shadow moves in the dark. We cannot get out. They are coming.
     
    Even though the Dwarves didn't, almost all the Fellowship did.
  42. @Dieter Kief
    The superflouesness of physical labor has been forecasted since ages. It will not happen.

    I agree with respect to skilled labor. We’ll always need good carpenters, plumbers & electricians – and certainly construction workers — but what about factory workers? Cashiers? These low-skilled lever-pulling jobs will be swept away. Japan is proving that you don’t need a lot of drone work.

  43. “This is why Poland and Hungary would be crazy to accept some of Merkel’s Million Marching Muslim”

    Aren’t Poland and Hungary part of NATO? I say they should be held 100% responsible for the Iraqistan disastre under the principle of joint and several liability.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_and_several_liability

    It doesn’t matter what individual EU nations do, all the can do is delay the inevitable. The refugees will either return to their home countries or remain in the EU. If they stay in the EU they will get citizenship, have children, all of whom will have Schengen region travel documents.

  44. There are 500 million people in the EU. 5 to 10 million are black. With only 250k arriving annually, blacks as a percentage of the EU won’t change much. This whole post was paranoid alarmism even hinting at the start of WW3 and invoking Hitler.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    The Hitler part was tongue-in-cheek parody of the first order. The potential for all those people
    To arrive is staggering. We have not seen the deluge yet, but it’s coming unless Europe slams the door shut now.
    , @Mishra

    blacks as a percentage of the EU won’t change much.
     
    Yeah, so you guys have been telling us.
    Guess what's been happening meanwhile?
    , @Anonymous
    Nonsense.

    Consider the situation in microcosm in either France or England.
    Fifty years ago, people like you assured the French and English that third world immigrants were only a 'tiny' proportion of the population, and 'nothing to worry about'.

    It's certain that both France and England will be majority third world origin nations sometime this century.
  45. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    The biggest unintended consequence of smart phones, social media & mass internet access:
    Turbo-charging the draw of migrants to the docile Libtard West & facilitating their easy passage.
    Dudes, we are in deep doodoo. Walls & marine patrols will be the bare minimum we need. More like we'll have to barricade the southern borders of Tunisia, Libya, Algeria & then some..

    Speaking of unintended consequences, who enabled China’s rise? The same Masters of the Universe lecturing us today.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yep.

    Their old mantra was 'a market of a billion people'.
  46. @Massimo Heitor

    low-skilled jobs are disappearing; these migrants know that, so I can only surmise that they covet European/US social welfare programs. I don’t blame them for wanting to leave Africa. But our boat is full.
     
    Horrible argument... Jobs aren't disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale. On a strict free market basis, I support freedom of migration. Freedom of migration conflicts with the premise of democracy and self-rule and devolution of power, which is why I oppose it for now.

    Jobs aren’t disappearing. More people means more work to do.

    Yes, an influx of net tax eaters means plenty more work to do. I’d rather not, if it’s the unpaid sort of work. Is that okay?

    Joe Sobran, whose incision I’ve been enjoying on video, proposed that, at least, tax eaters should be disallowed voting. Put that in place immediately please, including the eaters at “private” companies contracted by the state.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    Yes, an influx of net tax eaters means plenty more work to do. I’d rather not, if it’s the unpaid sort of work. Is that okay?
     
    With free markets, it's strictly willing buyer, willing seller. Or with jobs, willing worker, willing employer. With a welfare state, people are coerced to pay for others.

    As I just wrote, open borders economists correctly note that large scale immigration shocks will undermine public support for the welfare state.

    Joe Sobran, whose incision I’ve been enjoying on video, proposed that, at least, tax eaters should be disallowed voting.
     
    The better idea is move away from election voting and move towards vote with your feet or vote with your wallet.

    People vote for the restaurant, smartphone, and stores they like with their wallets. That system works really well. If people voted in elections based on politician rhetoric, the results would be terrible.

    This is often called "exit over voice". "exit" as in people have the right to say "no thanks" over "voice" as in an election. See: http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/herbert-spencer-on-exit-and-voice/

    This is a big idea in libertarian circles that I fully endorse.
  47. Tonight on 60 Minutes, after the Stormy Daniels nonsense, there was a story about NBA phenom Giannis Antetokounmpo, the “Greek Freak.” He was born in Athens to parents who snuck in from Nigeria. He seems like a nice guy, and the CBS television story comes packaged and approved for us by our world-government today.

    So don’t worry, those 70 million Nigerians are all going to be wonderful, just like Giannis Antetokounmpo.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    At least we know exactly how the MSM will try to soften resistance to the demographic attack w/ puff pieces like this.
    They'll constantly try to put a warm sweet glaze on the achievements of the talented 10th or anomalous 0.01% like this athlete.
    We just have to keep reminding people about the truth of the 90%
    , @ogunsiron
    I believe that when his parents obtained greek citizenship, they had to "hellenize" their last name.
    I don't know if Greece still does this. Japan also used to demand"nipponisation" of the names for naturalized citizens.
  48. @Anon7
    Can we get a link to the Pew Research Center report from which this information is taken?

    >>Can we get a link to the Pew Research Center report from which this information is taken?

    C’mon. Google.

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2018/03/22/at-least-a-million-sub-saharan-africans-moved-to-europe-since-2010/

  49. Compared with other world regions, Gallup polls find that sub-Saharan countries have some of the highest shares of people who say they would move to another country.

    What’s behind the widespread appeal of migrating in some sub-Saharan countries?

    The answer is communism.

    I am increasingly of the belief that the Soviet and Maoist models of communism were severe deviations from what Karl Marx actually taught. The communist leaders of those agrarian peasant countries were, in reality, not that much different from despotic monarchs and emperors who had ruled them for centuries.

    Marx taught that bourgeois capitalism, not communism, was the truly revolutionary doctrine and that communism naturally followed on the heels of capitalism to expropriate the wealth it created. But the wealth had to be created in the first place — that’s the key. Sub-Saharan Africa has created very little wealth, and it’s population may well be incapable of creating a wealthy, bourgeois society. The most parsimonious solution to the problem, from the perspective of the 70-IQ sub-Saharan, is not to try to create bourgeois prosperity in Africa but to migrate to bourgeois capitalist nations and demand a share of their wealth. In Marx’s famous slogan, “the working man has got no country” — the expropriation of wealth will take place on a global scale.

    Now, mind you, I’m not advocating Marxism, but just following the logic if we accept his first premises. I am hardly the first to do so; Trotsky was pretty much a “by-the-book” Marxist who wanted to foment international revolution, but Stalin had him exiled and assassinated so as to create “socialism in one country.” This is of course oxymoronic if one accepts Marxist first principles. Likewise, the Soviets referred to WWII as “the Great Patriotic War,” quite contradictory for people supposedly following an international creed.

    Meanwhile, in Germany, one of the losers of the Great War, Adolf Hitler, felt that the only thing that would salve the ache he felt over losing the Great War would be to start a Second Great War and win it. A couple of weeks after Hitler came to power in Germany intending to change the outcome of the last war with a new war, the Oxford Union debating society, comprising the traditional future ruling class of Britain, voted 275-153 “that this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country.”

    As it turned out, the British, in the end, did fight.

    Speaking of Herr Hitler, it is important to remember that he wasn’t simply trying to “salve the ache… over losing the Great War” but trying to stamp out Soviet communism, which inspired three actual revolutions in Germany in 1919 and one in Hungary the same year.

    The great mystery of WWII is why the British did choose to ally with Stalin against Hitler. Hitler himself was surprised by this; he thought that the British would be an natural anti-communist ally if he kept them off his rear flank, and indeed Rudolf Hess flew to Britain to try to make peace between Britain and Germany.

    The Oxford Union was right, though: fighting Hitler made no sense for Britain. Chamberlain was right to concede the Sudetenland. Why should British boys die for Czechoslovakia, created at Versailles only 19 years prior? And why should they die so that five million ethnic Germans would be held hostage in this new country? And how would they accomplish such a feat from a logistical perspective, given the location of Czechoslovakia in the center of the Continent? What would they do — run supply lines across 600 miles of German territory?

    • Replies: @Lot
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/0a/64/7c0a64c1556f15138f1d18b42e0ac522.jpg
    , @Lagertha

    The great mystery of WWII is why the British did choose to ally with Stalin against Hitler.

     

    Three things come to mind: 1. Hitler rejected the Central Banks which still control the economic power in the EU - call the shots, today.

    Ironically, Putin, as soon as he reached power, followed suit 70+years later...by kicking out those, often, same big central bankers, the oligarchs from abroad, carpet baggers of the early 90's, from Russia. What most people don't understand is: he is an old-school nationalist, a Russian patriot, a man who loves his country, its roots, history and traditions. My ancestors fought the Communist Russians bitterly, but Russia is way different than 75 years ago. Russia wants autonomy from the bs of globalism and future serfdom (which is only good for the top .1%) which most countries' people are now just realizing is a threat. Russians probably understood serfdom better than any other country in Europe. I mean, there were never any Russian explorers going towards the New World.

    2. It was well known that the motherload of oil and natural gas was/is under the Siberian steppes. And, Europe can't dick around with Putin (these days) unless he decides to turn off the gas lines. EU is stuck with getting along with Russia whether it likes it or not.

    3. Germany has always been regarded as a "war-like" people, by other European nations; ergo, Germany was a threat because they are efficient and fearless, with an immense respect for dogmatism..

  50. @Massimo Heitor

    low-skilled jobs are disappearing; these migrants know that, so I can only surmise that they covet European/US social welfare programs. I don’t blame them for wanting to leave Africa. But our boat is full.
     
    Horrible argument... Jobs aren't disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale. On a strict free market basis, I support freedom of migration. Freedom of migration conflicts with the premise of democracy and self-rule and devolution of power, which is why I oppose it for now.

    No. More low-skilled, low IQ people will have less capital to work with and less productivity potential will be a massive net drain on society. We have tens of millions of their African American/Brazillian/Carribbean brothers already here.

    How well are they doing bettering the economy?

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    No. More low-skilled, low IQ people will have less capital to work with and less productivity potential will be a massive net drain on society.
     
    So, this is takers vs makers. Where takers want to consume more in benefits than they produce. And FYI, there are high IQ takers and low IQ makers. Some roofers or plumbers, for example, might be low IQ, but they create genuine value and pay in more than they take out.

    This is an argument against the welfare state. And the open borders advocate correctly note that large immigration shocks will undermine public support for the welfare state. I generally agree. But I still oppose large immigration for all the other risks.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    No. More low-skilled, low IQ people will have less capital to work with and less productivity potential will be a massive net drain on society.
     
    One more try: with free markets, you buy/sell what you want. If you like whatever goods/services other people sell you can buy them, you are better off, if you don't like what they sell, you have no obligation to buy. If you hire employees, you have more choice, if you don't want to hire people, you have no obligation.

    The downsides of open borders are:
    - the welfare state. If fellow citizens don't do well, others are on the hook. The libertarian answer is to eliminate the welfare state. And public support for this will increase with immigration shocks.
    - "Equality". We've seen scorched earth political drives towards "equality" that take from some and give to others. This happens in housing + neighborhood quality, K-12 schooling, higher education, health care, the job market, everywhere. This creates winners and losers. This crowd is probably right to think they will be the losers in that, and they are justified in fighting it. The libertarian answer is to end these political equality drives and that immigration shocks will fuel political resistance.
    - voting. Immigrants impose their voting preferences. Of course, other citizens impose their unwanted voting preferences on you too. The libertarian solution is to move away from Democracy as we know it and to small-d democracy. Vote with your feet/wallet.
    - Political competition that is not on economic free markets, but competing for the identity of the nation and competing for privileged government jobs, schools, contracts, and resources. There are libertarian answers to all of these issues.
  51. @anonymous
    There are 500 million people in the EU. 5 to 10 million are black. With only 250k arriving annually, blacks as a percentage of the EU won't change much. This whole post was paranoid alarmism even hinting at the start of WW3 and invoking Hitler.

    The Hitler part was tongue-in-cheek parody of the first order. The potential for all those people
    To arrive is staggering. We have not seen the deluge yet, but it’s coming unless Europe slams the door shut now.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    No, the Hitler part was about how disastrous well-intended ideological extremism can prove, such as the Western European pacifism fad of the 1930s. Open bordersism can have similar catastrophic consequences.
  52. @Buzz Mohawk
    Tonight on 60 Minutes, after the Stormy Daniels nonsense, there was a story about NBA phenom Giannis Antetokounmpo, the "Greek Freak." He was born in Athens to parents who snuck in from Nigeria. He seems like a nice guy, and the CBS television story comes packaged and approved for us by our world-government today.

    So don't worry, those 70 million Nigerians are all going to be wonderful, just like Giannis Antetokounmpo.

    http://www.giannis34.com/img/203507.png
    http://www.jeffhead.com/images/downflag.jpg

    At least we know exactly how the MSM will try to soften resistance to the demographic attack w/ puff pieces like this.
    They’ll constantly try to put a warm sweet glaze on the achievements of the talented 10th or anomalous 0.01% like this athlete.
    We just have to keep reminding people about the truth of the 90%

  53. @Yak-15
    The Hitler part was tongue-in-cheek parody of the first order. The potential for all those people
    To arrive is staggering. We have not seen the deluge yet, but it’s coming unless Europe slams the door shut now.

    No, the Hitler part was about how disastrous well-intended ideological extremism can prove, such as the Western European pacifism fad of the 1930s. Open bordersism can have similar catastrophic consequences.

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Well I could uh certainly see someone being concerned about the potential population deluge from sub-Saharan Africa having a non-trivial impact on the rest of the world in the upcoming decades. Certainly as you've pointed out before, people need to be talking about these sorts of issues a bit more openly.

    It does seem slightly silly in my opinion though to compare the entire immigration situation in the West with Western Europe on the precipice of World War 2, what with politicians like Chamberlain having helped in part to create a monster through continued acquiescence towards Hitler and the Nazi regime. But maybe my failure to appreciate all of this is in part because as an American, we're a bit more insulated from all of this African craziness, what with having a few giant bodies of water separating us from the continent or the likes, unlike our uh European friends who appear to be caught a bit more squarely in the cross-hairs.

    I am a little skeptical though that the sub-Saharan tsunami about to sweep the entire world is somehow the equivalent of the German blitzkrieg that embodied the desire for a new world order during the Second World War, with all of its attendant slaughter and genocidal atrocities.

    But since uh white nationalist types are always lamenting the genocide of the white race or something, despite the fact that in absolute numbers whites probably will still be slightly higher or at worst around the same a couple of decades down the line compared to now and despite the fact that there currently are somewhere around 1-1.2 billion whites of European descent around the world, maybe the Hitler analogy makes more sense given that context...

    On a somewhat related note, I recently watched Darkest Hour for the first time and found myself mesmerized by Gary Oldman's performance as Churchill. A best actor award well earned!

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Agree.
    , @Yak-15
    Perhaps we will be consumed by the consequences of misguided compassion. “The meek shall inherit the earth” will be more prophetic than we realize.

    We will need something drastic to wake us from our slumber or else we are a frog in a pot. Europe may be that storm glass since France seems bound for Lebanonization.

    Pacifism was shaken from us by the Axis. What will tear us from our induced, self-indulgent stupor of moral superiority?
  54. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    I posted this a while ago. It's a 10 year old documentary about African asylum seekers that have established a beachhead in Argentina.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEzl4mK3V5c

    It has it all including the educated African asylum seeker who now has a full time job as an ethnic activist. The overflow will flow into a lot of countries we traditionally don't think as being wealthy enough to attract African asylum seekers. Also a growing number are now present in Russia. As in Poland the nucleus was foreign students but over time it's has grown with visa overstays forming communities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1An2V7mgyQ

    This is ultimately a form of human flood management.

    There's also a growing sub-continental presence in Germany now that people there realised German higher education is free for all, including foreigners.

    How many Africans are now in Argentina 10 years later? It doesn’t seem like the beachhead has expanded.

    Same will go for Poland and Hungry. They can accept thousands of migrants this year based on Germany’s allocation scheme, and it won’t matter in the long run because those economies like Argentina are not in good shape and aren’t getting better.

    2017
    Hungary 13,459 ($ per capita)
    Poland 13,429

    2008
    Hungary 15,659
    Poland 13,910

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Considering that to most sub Saharan Africans a dollar a day is a damned good wage, Poland and Hungary must seem like millionaires' playgrounds.
  55. @Meretricious
    yes, more low-IQ people will require more social workers etc. Is that your point? Who is going to pay the social workers?

    yes, more low-IQ people will require more social workers etc. Is that your point? Who is going to pay the social workers?

    With a big welfare state, the tax base is coerced into paying for lavish social services. With a more free market system, only people who want social services and social workers pay for them.

    The open borders economists advocate that a shock of racial diversity will undermine national solidarity and undermine public support for the welfare state and enable free market reforms. They are probably exactly right. Your comments seem to back that up. I oppose open borders strongly btw, but I agree it will undermine support for the welfare state.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    Bryan Caplan loves that open borders would probably lead to a complete dismantling of welfare states everywhere. He doesn't care,though, as he proudly lives in a bubble and would not be affected.
    , @Anonymous
    If these people want the Welfare State to go, they should be honest and brave enough to publicly state it, and to advocate that position politically, so that the public gets a chance to vote for it.
  56. @Altai
    I posted this a while ago. It's a 10 year old documentary about African asylum seekers that have established a beachhead in Argentina.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEzl4mK3V5c

    It has it all including the educated African asylum seeker who now has a full time job as an ethnic activist. The overflow will flow into a lot of countries we traditionally don't think as being wealthy enough to attract African asylum seekers. Also a growing number are now present in Russia. As in Poland the nucleus was foreign students but over time it's has grown with visa overstays forming communities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1An2V7mgyQ

    This is ultimately a form of human flood management.

    There's also a growing sub-continental presence in Germany now that people there realised German higher education is free for all, including foreigners.

    Mexico is also starting to get African illegal immigrants. Mexico’s per capita GDP is about ten times higher than the African average.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    How do they make it to Mexico ? What possible route could they be taking ?
  57. @schnellandine

    Jobs aren’t disappearing. More people means more work to do.
     
    Yes, an influx of net tax eaters means plenty more work to do. I'd rather not, if it's the unpaid sort of work. Is that okay?

    Joe Sobran, whose incision I've been enjoying on video, proposed that, at least, tax eaters should be disallowed voting. Put that in place immediately please, including the eaters at "private" companies contracted by the state.

    Yes, an influx of net tax eaters means plenty more work to do. I’d rather not, if it’s the unpaid sort of work. Is that okay?

    With free markets, it’s strictly willing buyer, willing seller. Or with jobs, willing worker, willing employer. With a welfare state, people are coerced to pay for others.

    As I just wrote, open borders economists correctly note that large scale immigration shocks will undermine public support for the welfare state.

    Joe Sobran, whose incision I’ve been enjoying on video, proposed that, at least, tax eaters should be disallowed voting.

    The better idea is move away from election voting and move towards vote with your feet or vote with your wallet.

    People vote for the restaurant, smartphone, and stores they like with their wallets. That system works really well. If people voted in elections based on politician rhetoric, the results would be terrible.

    This is often called “exit over voice”. “exit” as in people have the right to say “no thanks” over “voice” as in an election. See: http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/herbert-spencer-on-exit-and-voice/

    This is a big idea in libertarian circles that I fully endorse.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    I'm almost fully on board there, until "libertarians" pretend that the immigration liberality should come before the wealth-retention liberality. I think many, not including you, consider their side advancing even if only half the equation is supported.

    But what does it matter if I support a free market in everything, with a strong property foundation, if the average dope can't understand any of it? Sounds like discussing the latest weather trends on Saturn; not relevant. We're approaching civil war in US and US-occupied territory, and the immigration disaster must be reversed.
  58. @Buzz Mohawk
    Tonight on 60 Minutes, after the Stormy Daniels nonsense, there was a story about NBA phenom Giannis Antetokounmpo, the "Greek Freak." He was born in Athens to parents who snuck in from Nigeria. He seems like a nice guy, and the CBS television story comes packaged and approved for us by our world-government today.

    So don't worry, those 70 million Nigerians are all going to be wonderful, just like Giannis Antetokounmpo.

    http://www.giannis34.com/img/203507.png
    http://www.jeffhead.com/images/downflag.jpg

    I believe that when his parents obtained greek citizenship, they had to “hellenize” their last name.
    I don’t know if Greece still does this. Japan also used to demand”nipponisation” of the names for naturalized citizens.

  59. Well, as long as they move to the UK I’m fine with it. And they should move there. The UK ran Nigeria for 60 years and was largely responsible for the 1967 famine. They should get what’s coming to them.

    • Replies: @songbird
    Nigeria wouldn't understand the source of its own rivers if it wasn't for the UK.
    , @Daniel H
    >>The UK ran Nigeria for 60 years and was largely responsible for the 1967 famine.

    How could the UK possibly be responsible for a Nigerian famine of 1967? What, is the white man always to blame whenever and wherever the black man screws up?
    , @Massimo Heitor

    Well, as long as they move to the UK I’m fine with it. And they should move there. The UK ran Nigeria for 60 years and was largely responsible for the 1967 famine. They should get what’s coming to them.
     
    A small number of leaders ran Nigeria and UK before, and a small number of leaders run Nigeria and UK now. The only difference is the premise of self-rule democracy, which the people of Nigeria are now desperate to flee from.
  60. @Massimo Heitor

    yes, more low-IQ people will require more social workers etc. Is that your point? Who is going to pay the social workers?
     
    With a big welfare state, the tax base is coerced into paying for lavish social services. With a more free market system, only people who want social services and social workers pay for them.

    The open borders economists advocate that a shock of racial diversity will undermine national solidarity and undermine public support for the welfare state and enable free market reforms. They are probably exactly right. Your comments seem to back that up. I oppose open borders strongly btw, but I agree it will undermine support for the welfare state.

    Bryan Caplan loves that open borders would probably lead to a complete dismantling of welfare states everywhere. He doesn’t care,though, as he proudly lives in a bubble and would not be affected.

    • Replies: @songbird
    Those who believe that are batty.

    News for Caplan: Venezuela is still a socialist state, it is just a really messed up one, bottom-tier one, and the time between coups has increased as it has become more messed up. It may becoming more stable as it becomes more messed up.

    True of many other countries. The math doesn't need to balance, unless you want something like Northern European Socialism. You can have Mugabe or Castro, and their successors more or less ad infinitum. If they can't write a check, they can confiscate and hand out bottles of milk and sacks of rice or millet. If there is enough wealth to maintain a power class, that's all that is necessary.
  61. @Yak-15
    No. More low-skilled, low IQ people will have less capital to work with and less productivity potential will be a massive net drain on society. We have tens of millions of their African American/Brazillian/Carribbean brothers already here.

    How well are they doing bettering the economy?

    No. More low-skilled, low IQ people will have less capital to work with and less productivity potential will be a massive net drain on society.

    So, this is takers vs makers. Where takers want to consume more in benefits than they produce. And FYI, there are high IQ takers and low IQ makers. Some roofers or plumbers, for example, might be low IQ, but they create genuine value and pay in more than they take out.

    This is an argument against the welfare state. And the open borders advocate correctly note that large immigration shocks will undermine public support for the welfare state. I generally agree. But I still oppose large immigration for all the other risks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Totally and completely wrong.

    The immigrants will absolutely vote for Left welfare state supporting parties.

    What you will see will be entrenched hard left, Marxist, redistributionist governments.
  62. @Lot
    Mexico is also starting to get African illegal immigrants. Mexico's per capita GDP is about ten times higher than the African average.

    How do they make it to Mexico ? What possible route could they be taking ?

    • Replies: @Mishra
    And why on earth would they stay there when Freebie Nation is just a few miles to the north? BTW, air travel is very very cheap in cattle class. It's no task at all to fly across the ocean and conveniently lose your passport upon arrival.
    , @Lot
    Most of them are entering Mexico legally and overstaying their visa. A smaller number are entering Guatemala legally and sneaking into Mexico.
  63. @Dr. X

    Compared with other world regions, Gallup polls find that sub-Saharan countries have some of the highest shares of people who say they would move to another country.

    What’s behind the widespread appeal of migrating in some sub-Saharan countries?
     
    The answer is communism.

    I am increasingly of the belief that the Soviet and Maoist models of communism were severe deviations from what Karl Marx actually taught. The communist leaders of those agrarian peasant countries were, in reality, not that much different from despotic monarchs and emperors who had ruled them for centuries.

    Marx taught that bourgeois capitalism, not communism, was the truly revolutionary doctrine and that communism naturally followed on the heels of capitalism to expropriate the wealth it created. But the wealth had to be created in the first place -- that's the key. Sub-Saharan Africa has created very little wealth, and it's population may well be incapable of creating a wealthy, bourgeois society. The most parsimonious solution to the problem, from the perspective of the 70-IQ sub-Saharan, is not to try to create bourgeois prosperity in Africa but to migrate to bourgeois capitalist nations and demand a share of their wealth. In Marx's famous slogan, "the working man has got no country" -- the expropriation of wealth will take place on a global scale.

    Now, mind you, I'm not advocating Marxism, but just following the logic if we accept his first premises. I am hardly the first to do so; Trotsky was pretty much a "by-the-book" Marxist who wanted to foment international revolution, but Stalin had him exiled and assassinated so as to create "socialism in one country." This is of course oxymoronic if one accepts Marxist first principles. Likewise, the Soviets referred to WWII as "the Great Patriotic War," quite contradictory for people supposedly following an international creed.

    Meanwhile, in Germany, one of the losers of the Great War, Adolf Hitler, felt that the only thing that would salve the ache he felt over losing the Great War would be to start a Second Great War and win it. A couple of weeks after Hitler came to power in Germany intending to change the outcome of the last war with a new war, the Oxford Union debating society, comprising the traditional future ruling class of Britain, voted 275-153 “that this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country.”

    As it turned out, the British, in the end, did fight.
     
    Speaking of Herr Hitler, it is important to remember that he wasn't simply trying to "salve the ache... over losing the Great War" but trying to stamp out Soviet communism, which inspired three actual revolutions in Germany in 1919 and one in Hungary the same year.

    The great mystery of WWII is why the British did choose to ally with Stalin against Hitler. Hitler himself was surprised by this; he thought that the British would be an natural anti-communist ally if he kept them off his rear flank, and indeed Rudolf Hess flew to Britain to try to make peace between Britain and Germany.

    The Oxford Union was right, though: fighting Hitler made no sense for Britain. Chamberlain was right to concede the Sudetenland. Why should British boys die for Czechoslovakia, created at Versailles only 19 years prior? And why should they die so that five million ethnic Germans would be held hostage in this new country? And how would they accomplish such a feat from a logistical perspective, given the location of Czechoslovakia in the center of the Continent? What would they do -- run supply lines across 600 miles of German territory?

  64. “[S]o any restriction on immigration is against the Statue of Liberty.”

    Statute of Liberty

  65. @Altai
    Holy moly I found a great one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdZZHFne4Q

    Germany based Nigerian activist, Rex Osa of the Voice Refugee Forum shed light on the harsh treatment Nigerian refugees and asylum seekers face in Germany and the little help the Nigerian Embassy in Germany provides. "Deportation we know is the culture in Germany," explained Osa. He described the deplorable living conditions of refugees in Germany and the restrictions put on those with the status. "As a refugee in Germany you are not allowed to go outside your district. If you are by chance caught outside you are penalized," said Osa, who accused the Nigerian Embassy in Germany of being involved in a "deportation scheme."
     
    Why would people claiming asylum from Nigeria expect help from the government they are ostensibly fleeing?

    Also would the restrictions and lack of respect for a Nigerian passport have anything to do with all the rampant asylum fraud? Because the numbers alone would indicate that it is fraud even if it wasn't so well documented how many Nigerian asylum seekers are denied.

    Also what benefit does the Nigerian embassy in Germany have in engaging in a 'deportation scheme'? Are they also not obliged to help repatriate their nationals?

    These people don't see what they're doing as abnormal at this stage, they think of it as normal immigration and get annoyed when they can't just show up in Germany and get access to it's labour market and welfare whilst abusing a system set up to help legitimate asylum seekers.

    I was in Germany way back in 2000, in an exchange program. Once, in a very small group (3) of few of us American males who were surprised at seeing blacks over there spoke to each other in a kind of half-joking candor about what was happening to both Europe and America.

    There’s not a doubt in my mind that what Merkel did was way beyond each of our worst predictions, way back then. But it’s really surprising how naive the average European is about race. One of the biggest open-border people I know is a German I met during that exchange program.

    It really brings home what fools we were on both sides. How many high school exchanges are between some real European city and an American suburb? Is there even one between two real cities? Is there a single European who went on one of those exchanges who understands why? We didn’t tell them, and how else were they supposed to learn?

    All they got on the American side is the Hollywood propaganda, and all they got on the German side was the shaming culture about the war. I mean, there’s actually a day when they celebrate their surrender. And the Holocaust shaming starts when they are very young.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    I so agree: both American and German young people are so PsyOpsed...not to mention, just plain stupid; most don't even know their own countries' history, or contributions to technology, art, science. But, this is want the Globalists really want: dumb ass sheep of the most mindless generation who will need to be fed...so will accept anything. The party will be over soon, and, then, it will be bleak.
  66. @Anonym
    It’s a good thing that anti-Gentilism isn’t a much used word.

    That's why I prefer anti-White. It's somewhat like the mirror-image of anti-Semitism in that it also can include "our fellow Whites" depending on their attitude, although because of said attitudes usually doesn't. Compare with the other Semitic peoples. The war in Iraq was technically anti-Semitic, but not in usual meaning.

    I’ve always been a fan of the terms “Caucaphobia” or “anti-Caucastic”. If we were all Christian again, it would be a lot easier to refer to those that hate us. We could just go back to using the phrase “Satanic heathens”

    • Replies: @Anonym
    I’ve always been a fan of the terms “Caucaphobia” or “anti-Caucastic”. If we were all Christian again, it would be a lot easier to refer to those that hate us. We could just go back to using the phrase “Satanic heathens”

    By that logic, we should welcome in the Natural Conservative Mexicans, or Africans, as long as Christians. No way.
  67. @Bragadocious
    Well, as long as they move to the UK I'm fine with it. And they should move there. The UK ran Nigeria for 60 years and was largely responsible for the 1967 famine. They should get what's coming to them.

    Nigeria wouldn’t understand the source of its own rivers if it wasn’t for the UK.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    Yes the Brits were in Nigeria to spread Western knowledge. That must be it.
  68. @Massimo Heitor

    Yes, an influx of net tax eaters means plenty more work to do. I’d rather not, if it’s the unpaid sort of work. Is that okay?
     
    With free markets, it's strictly willing buyer, willing seller. Or with jobs, willing worker, willing employer. With a welfare state, people are coerced to pay for others.

    As I just wrote, open borders economists correctly note that large scale immigration shocks will undermine public support for the welfare state.

    Joe Sobran, whose incision I’ve been enjoying on video, proposed that, at least, tax eaters should be disallowed voting.
     
    The better idea is move away from election voting and move towards vote with your feet or vote with your wallet.

    People vote for the restaurant, smartphone, and stores they like with their wallets. That system works really well. If people voted in elections based on politician rhetoric, the results would be terrible.

    This is often called "exit over voice". "exit" as in people have the right to say "no thanks" over "voice" as in an election. See: http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/herbert-spencer-on-exit-and-voice/

    This is a big idea in libertarian circles that I fully endorse.

    I’m almost fully on board there, until “libertarians” pretend that the immigration liberality should come before the wealth-retention liberality. I think many, not including you, consider their side advancing even if only half the equation is supported.

    But what does it matter if I support a free market in everything, with a strong property foundation, if the average dope can’t understand any of it? Sounds like discussing the latest weather trends on Saturn; not relevant. We’re approaching civil war in US and US-occupied territory, and the immigration disaster must be reversed.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    I’m almost fully on board there,
     
    I'm "almost" on board with open borders too. Radical immigration shocks may blow up the nation state and lead the way to this free market nirvana. That would be fantastic.

    Or it might not work, and blowing up the nation state model might lead to world ruin. My preference is to treat our civilization as a precious jewel and not take these radical explosive risks.

    I'd also stress that the libertarian nirvana open border model is alien and radically opposed to the ideology of the political left that is behind the more practical pushes for immigration expansionism.

    ... until “libertarians” pretend that the immigration liberality should come before the wealth-retention liberality.
     
    I have no idea what this means.

    But what does it matter if I support a free market in everything, with a strong property foundation, if the average dope can’t understand any of it?
     
    Right, maybe the open borders gamble won't result in this free market nirvana but end in catastrophe and world ruin. It's quite the risk.
  69. @ogunsiron
    Bryan Caplan loves that open borders would probably lead to a complete dismantling of welfare states everywhere. He doesn't care,though, as he proudly lives in a bubble and would not be affected.

    Those who believe that are batty.

    News for Caplan: Venezuela is still a socialist state, it is just a really messed up one, bottom-tier one, and the time between coups has increased as it has become more messed up. It may becoming more stable as it becomes more messed up.

    True of many other countries. The math doesn’t need to balance, unless you want something like Northern European Socialism. You can have Mugabe or Castro, and their successors more or less ad infinitum. If they can’t write a check, they can confiscate and hand out bottles of milk and sacks of rice or millet. If there is enough wealth to maintain a power class, that’s all that is necessary.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  70. @Polish Perspective

    This is why Poland and Hungary would be crazy to accept some of Merkel’s Million Marching Muslim: they would establish beachheads to be exploited by their family and friends over the generations.
     
    Right now we're getting a lot of people from Ukraine and Belarus, but our greedy capitalists are already eyeing South Asia (Nepal and India in particular). Poland may be poorer than West, but it isn't as poor as you think. Our net wages are roughly one half to one third of those in the West, but we also have much lower living costs, so the actual difference is closer.

    Compared to any SSA or MENA or South Asian country, we are leagues ahead and our labour market is quite good these days. Low unemployment and solid wage growth (~4% in real terms last year and likely this year too). Poland will unlikely ever have the same problems that France or Sweden has, but I expect it to have the same amount of non-whites as, say, Denmark has by 2030 or 2035. Denmark is roughly 91% white. Poland is virtually 99% white. Even higher if you only count those with citizenship.

    Still, the experience of others shows us that once people stay for extended periods in your country, sooner or later they will get citizenship even if it is against the law and/or it was never intended to happen. Look at the German Gastarbeiters. Look at the US illegal alien population. Now Trump is accusing the dems for being not pro-DACA enough.

    So, if we count those who live illegally and those who are guest workers, Poland is maybe 99% white today, since the vast bulk of our foreign workers are Eastern Europeans but this will change by the 2020s. And these workers will also use chain migration.

    Ultimately, by 2030, I think AI will be so advanced that much of human labour will be superflous. We can already see it coming for cars but Amazon is already having cashier-free stores being tried out. Drones will be used for transport of goods within the city. And so on. Those countries with large surplus populations will have a massive headache.

    Don’t open your borders. Never, never, even open your borders. And if you can send the open borders advocates elsewhere, do so. It is the only way you can keep your country.

    • Agree: schnellandine
  71. @Thulean Friend
    If people don't want to live in a white society then they won't. It's that simple. This is not an unstoppable process. Not only can it be stopped, it can be reversed.

    The language of 'inevitability' is always thrown around but it's bullshit. A problem created by man can also be solved by man. But nothing will be done unless white people decide to junk civic nationalism and it's utter and complete failure.

    Agree.

  72. @songbird
    One of the really surprising delusions on the Left now is that Africa will be the "next China." It is really quite startling to hear people say that. I don't think the old Left believed anything half as crazy as that. Maybe, they mean China will invade Africa?

    It's easy to write off the "next Einstein" being found in Africa as an excess of rhetoric, but Africa becoming the "next China" is incredibly insane. It was not China three thousand years ago, so how can it become China now?

    Maybe, they mean China will invade Africa?

    The Chinese already have. They are strip mining the natural resources of Africa. If we point it out, the Chinese will insist we are racists.

  73. @Steve Sailer
    No, the Hitler part was about how disastrous well-intended ideological extremism can prove, such as the Western European pacifism fad of the 1930s. Open bordersism can have similar catastrophic consequences.

    Well I could uh certainly see someone being concerned about the potential population deluge from sub-Saharan Africa having a non-trivial impact on the rest of the world in the upcoming decades. Certainly as you’ve pointed out before, people need to be talking about these sorts of issues a bit more openly.

    It does seem slightly silly in my opinion though to compare the entire immigration situation in the West with Western Europe on the precipice of World War 2, what with politicians like Chamberlain having helped in part to create a monster through continued acquiescence towards Hitler and the Nazi regime. But maybe my failure to appreciate all of this is in part because as an American, we’re a bit more insulated from all of this African craziness, what with having a few giant bodies of water separating us from the continent or the likes, unlike our uh European friends who appear to be caught a bit more squarely in the cross-hairs.

    I am a little skeptical though that the sub-Saharan tsunami about to sweep the entire world is somehow the equivalent of the German blitzkrieg that embodied the desire for a new world order during the Second World War, with all of its attendant slaughter and genocidal atrocities.

    But since uh white nationalist types are always lamenting the genocide of the white race or something, despite the fact that in absolute numbers whites probably will still be slightly higher or at worst around the same a couple of decades down the line compared to now and despite the fact that there currently are somewhere around 1-1.2 billion whites of European descent around the world, maybe the Hitler analogy makes more sense given that context…

    On a somewhat related note, I recently watched Darkest Hour for the first time and found myself mesmerized by Gary Oldman’s performance as Churchill. A best actor award well earned!

    • Replies: @Coag
    Is your failure to understand the Chamberlain/Merkel analogy the illustration of the math/verbal split?

    Westerners may be sleepwalking on mass immigration these days but if you sent these hundreds of millions of Malthusian Africans toward, for example, the shores of China or Japan, the resulting genocide against African boat people will be many times worse than anything Hitler inflicted.
  74. What the frack has opposing the Nazism got to do with immigration policy? In fact, you have shot yourself in the proverbial foot with this comparison, because the open borders ideas that the elite supports are the polar opposite of what Hitler believed in, and supporting those ideas would have stopped both fascism and it’s racialist German incarnation, Nazism, dead. So nice going Sailer. Congratulations on making an argument that actually makes your position worse. You are pretty good at doing this, I will give you that.

    • Replies: @Juan Valdez
    "...the open borders ideas that the elite supports are the polar opposite of what Hitler believed in, and supporting those ideas would have stopped both fascism and it’s racialist German incarnation, Nazism, dead."

    I'm a little curious how open borders ideas could have stopped Nazism. In reality, Nazism was stopped by nationalism; the individual nationalisms of each threatened nation. Russians fought for 'Mother Russia.' Brits fought for King and Country. Americans fought for Uncle Sam. French fought for France, Poles for Poland, etc. They were all fighting against a threat to their own national identity. No one fighting the Nazis was fighting for open borders and the erasure of their nations. If they thought that's what they were fighting for they would have thrown down their weapons and gone home.

    The international fascism that our modern elite supports would have left the world weaponless against the Nazis.
  75. @BB753
    Most Africans I've met have no intention of ever going back, not even on vacation. The very idea of returning to Africa fills them with terror. Africans hate Africa.

    Africans hate Africa

    No one wants to live in a sh!thole.

    • Replies: @BB753
    The problem is that shitholes are usually man-made.
    So, shitholers turn any place they go to into another shithole, sooner or later.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I think it's more accurate to say that Africans hate to be around other Africans.

    I was once an AFDC Social Worker in San Francisco. Blacks always wanted to get a Public Housing apartment away from other blacks. But the Housing Authority wouldn't put the AFDC blacks in the all white projects for the elderly.

    The blacks thought living amongst all those old whites was a great idea. I imagine foxes have similar ideas about hen houses.
  76. @vinteuil
    We cannot get out. The shadow moves in the dark. We cannot get out. They are coming.

    We cannot get out. The shadow moves in the dark. We cannot get out. They are coming.

    Even though the Dwarves didn’t, almost all the Fellowship did.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "almost all the Fellowship did."
     
    Minus their Christ-figure, Gandalf.
  77. @Yak-15
    No. More low-skilled, low IQ people will have less capital to work with and less productivity potential will be a massive net drain on society. We have tens of millions of their African American/Brazillian/Carribbean brothers already here.

    How well are they doing bettering the economy?

    No. More low-skilled, low IQ people will have less capital to work with and less productivity potential will be a massive net drain on society.

    One more try: with free markets, you buy/sell what you want. If you like whatever goods/services other people sell you can buy them, you are better off, if you don’t like what they sell, you have no obligation to buy. If you hire employees, you have more choice, if you don’t want to hire people, you have no obligation.

    The downsides of open borders are:
    – the welfare state. If fellow citizens don’t do well, others are on the hook. The libertarian answer is to eliminate the welfare state. And public support for this will increase with immigration shocks.
    – “Equality”. We’ve seen scorched earth political drives towards “equality” that take from some and give to others. This happens in housing + neighborhood quality, K-12 schooling, higher education, health care, the job market, everywhere. This creates winners and losers. This crowd is probably right to think they will be the losers in that, and they are justified in fighting it. The libertarian answer is to end these political equality drives and that immigration shocks will fuel political resistance.
    – voting. Immigrants impose their voting preferences. Of course, other citizens impose their unwanted voting preferences on you too. The libertarian solution is to move away from Democracy as we know it and to small-d democracy. Vote with your feet/wallet.
    – Political competition that is not on economic free markets, but competing for the identity of the nation and competing for privileged government jobs, schools, contracts, and resources. There are libertarian answers to all of these issues.

  78. @songbird
    One of the really surprising delusions on the Left now is that Africa will be the "next China." It is really quite startling to hear people say that. I don't think the old Left believed anything half as crazy as that. Maybe, they mean China will invade Africa?

    It's easy to write off the "next Einstein" being found in Africa as an excess of rhetoric, but Africa becoming the "next China" is incredibly insane. It was not China three thousand years ago, so how can it become China now?

    >>One of the really surprising delusions on the Left now is that Africa will be the “next China.”

    I think that it is important to clarify by what we mean as left. I would include the National Review/Commentary/Wall Street Journal/Davos man types as leftists , as much as any university Marxist. The “Conservative” left is even more delusional than the Marxist left.

  79. @Steve Sailer
    No, the Hitler part was about how disastrous well-intended ideological extremism can prove, such as the Western European pacifism fad of the 1930s. Open bordersism can have similar catastrophic consequences.

    Agree.

  80. @Bragadocious
    Well, as long as they move to the UK I'm fine with it. And they should move there. The UK ran Nigeria for 60 years and was largely responsible for the 1967 famine. They should get what's coming to them.

    >>The UK ran Nigeria for 60 years and was largely responsible for the 1967 famine.

    How could the UK possibly be responsible for a Nigerian famine of 1967? What, is the white man always to blame whenever and wherever the black man screws up?

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    Stop framing this in racial terms. Why do so many people here do this? And for the record, the Brits were arming the government of Nigeria while it blockaded Biafra, starving millions.
  81. @Dr. X

    Compared with other world regions, Gallup polls find that sub-Saharan countries have some of the highest shares of people who say they would move to another country.

    What’s behind the widespread appeal of migrating in some sub-Saharan countries?
     
    The answer is communism.

    I am increasingly of the belief that the Soviet and Maoist models of communism were severe deviations from what Karl Marx actually taught. The communist leaders of those agrarian peasant countries were, in reality, not that much different from despotic monarchs and emperors who had ruled them for centuries.

    Marx taught that bourgeois capitalism, not communism, was the truly revolutionary doctrine and that communism naturally followed on the heels of capitalism to expropriate the wealth it created. But the wealth had to be created in the first place -- that's the key. Sub-Saharan Africa has created very little wealth, and it's population may well be incapable of creating a wealthy, bourgeois society. The most parsimonious solution to the problem, from the perspective of the 70-IQ sub-Saharan, is not to try to create bourgeois prosperity in Africa but to migrate to bourgeois capitalist nations and demand a share of their wealth. In Marx's famous slogan, "the working man has got no country" -- the expropriation of wealth will take place on a global scale.

    Now, mind you, I'm not advocating Marxism, but just following the logic if we accept his first premises. I am hardly the first to do so; Trotsky was pretty much a "by-the-book" Marxist who wanted to foment international revolution, but Stalin had him exiled and assassinated so as to create "socialism in one country." This is of course oxymoronic if one accepts Marxist first principles. Likewise, the Soviets referred to WWII as "the Great Patriotic War," quite contradictory for people supposedly following an international creed.

    Meanwhile, in Germany, one of the losers of the Great War, Adolf Hitler, felt that the only thing that would salve the ache he felt over losing the Great War would be to start a Second Great War and win it. A couple of weeks after Hitler came to power in Germany intending to change the outcome of the last war with a new war, the Oxford Union debating society, comprising the traditional future ruling class of Britain, voted 275-153 “that this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country.”

    As it turned out, the British, in the end, did fight.
     
    Speaking of Herr Hitler, it is important to remember that he wasn't simply trying to "salve the ache... over losing the Great War" but trying to stamp out Soviet communism, which inspired three actual revolutions in Germany in 1919 and one in Hungary the same year.

    The great mystery of WWII is why the British did choose to ally with Stalin against Hitler. Hitler himself was surprised by this; he thought that the British would be an natural anti-communist ally if he kept them off his rear flank, and indeed Rudolf Hess flew to Britain to try to make peace between Britain and Germany.

    The Oxford Union was right, though: fighting Hitler made no sense for Britain. Chamberlain was right to concede the Sudetenland. Why should British boys die for Czechoslovakia, created at Versailles only 19 years prior? And why should they die so that five million ethnic Germans would be held hostage in this new country? And how would they accomplish such a feat from a logistical perspective, given the location of Czechoslovakia in the center of the Continent? What would they do -- run supply lines across 600 miles of German territory?

    The great mystery of WWII is why the British did choose to ally with Stalin against Hitler.

    Three things come to mind: 1. Hitler rejected the Central Banks which still control the economic power in the EU – call the shots, today.

    Ironically, Putin, as soon as he reached power, followed suit 70+years later…by kicking out those, often, same big central bankers, the oligarchs from abroad, carpet baggers of the early 90’s, from Russia. What most people don’t understand is: he is an old-school nationalist, a Russian patriot, a man who loves his country, its roots, history and traditions. My ancestors fought the Communist Russians bitterly, but Russia is way different than 75 years ago. Russia wants autonomy from the bs of globalism and future serfdom (which is only good for the top .1%) which most countries’ people are now just realizing is a threat. Russians probably understood serfdom better than any other country in Europe. I mean, there were never any Russian explorers going towards the New World.

    2. It was well known that the motherload of oil and natural gas was/is under the Siberian steppes. And, Europe can’t dick around with Putin (these days) unless he decides to turn off the gas lines. EU is stuck with getting along with Russia whether it likes it or not.

    3. Germany has always been regarded as a “war-like” people, by other European nations; ergo, Germany was a threat because they are efficient and fearless, with an immense respect for dogmatism..

    • Replies: @a reader

    I mean, there were never any Russian explorers going towards the New World.
     
    Kotzebue?
  82. @songbird
    Nigeria wouldn't understand the source of its own rivers if it wasn't for the UK.

    Yes the Brits were in Nigeria to spread Western knowledge. That must be it.

  83. @Thomm

    Boy are you stupid. Now cancel your subscription to The Economist. It will do you good.
     
    Peterike, like most Nationalist-Leftists, wants intra-white socialism since he wants successful whites to support him.

    Despite failure in country after country (Venezuela being the latest), these Nationalist-Leftists are just a variant of socialists, none of whom ever learn.

    Always remember that the WN candidate was not Trump, but Sanders.

    Always remember that the WN candidate was not Trump, but Sanders.

    Who can forget Sanders’ valiant refusal to submit to BLM? The perfect WN candidate!

  84. @schnellandine
    I'm almost fully on board there, until "libertarians" pretend that the immigration liberality should come before the wealth-retention liberality. I think many, not including you, consider their side advancing even if only half the equation is supported.

    But what does it matter if I support a free market in everything, with a strong property foundation, if the average dope can't understand any of it? Sounds like discussing the latest weather trends on Saturn; not relevant. We're approaching civil war in US and US-occupied territory, and the immigration disaster must be reversed.

    I’m almost fully on board there,

    I’m “almost” on board with open borders too. Radical immigration shocks may blow up the nation state and lead the way to this free market nirvana. That would be fantastic.

    Or it might not work, and blowing up the nation state model might lead to world ruin. My preference is to treat our civilization as a precious jewel and not take these radical explosive risks.

    I’d also stress that the libertarian nirvana open border model is alien and radically opposed to the ideology of the political left that is behind the more practical pushes for immigration expansionism.

    … until “libertarians” pretend that the immigration liberality should come before the wealth-retention liberality.

    I have no idea what this means.

    But what does it matter if I support a free market in everything, with a strong property foundation, if the average dope can’t understand any of it?

    Right, maybe the open borders gamble won’t result in this free market nirvana but end in catastrophe and world ruin. It’s quite the risk.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    The normal cliche on political aging was growth from lefty to righty. My aging has transformed me into a white preservationist above nearly all. My views until about 8 years ago were lofty free market ideology, then it hit me that whites were being intentionally wiped from white territories by using white amenableness to splinter their societies. The hospitality mindset toward invading cultures is posterity suicide.

    I'm not willing to risk the chance that it wasn't white culture that brought the world's best, even if free market ideals could be roundly attained temporarily. We are sinking faster than I ever believed possible. My free market ideals from 20 years ago have been displaced by a spear in the face. They sound silly, frankly, the very things I once considered most important for survival and happiness.
  85. @Uncle Harold
    I've always been a fan of the terms "Caucaphobia" or "anti-Caucastic". If we were all Christian again, it would be a lot easier to refer to those that hate us. We could just go back to using the phrase "Satanic heathens"

    I’ve always been a fan of the terms “Caucaphobia” or “anti-Caucastic”. If we were all Christian again, it would be a lot easier to refer to those that hate us. We could just go back to using the phrase “Satanic heathens”

    By that logic, we should welcome in the Natural Conservative Mexicans, or Africans, as long as Christians. No way.

  86. @Bragadocious
    Well, as long as they move to the UK I'm fine with it. And they should move there. The UK ran Nigeria for 60 years and was largely responsible for the 1967 famine. They should get what's coming to them.

    Well, as long as they move to the UK I’m fine with it. And they should move there. The UK ran Nigeria for 60 years and was largely responsible for the 1967 famine. They should get what’s coming to them.

    A small number of leaders ran Nigeria and UK before, and a small number of leaders run Nigeria and UK now. The only difference is the premise of self-rule democracy, which the people of Nigeria are now desperate to flee from.

  87. @songbird
    I was in Germany way back in 2000, in an exchange program. Once, in a very small group (3) of few of us American males who were surprised at seeing blacks over there spoke to each other in a kind of half-joking candor about what was happening to both Europe and America.

    There's not a doubt in my mind that what Merkel did was way beyond each of our worst predictions, way back then. But it's really surprising how naive the average European is about race. One of the biggest open-border people I know is a German I met during that exchange program.

    It really brings home what fools we were on both sides. How many high school exchanges are between some real European city and an American suburb? Is there even one between two real cities? Is there a single European who went on one of those exchanges who understands why? We didn't tell them, and how else were they supposed to learn?

    All they got on the American side is the Hollywood propaganda, and all they got on the German side was the shaming culture about the war. I mean, there's actually a day when they celebrate their surrender. And the Holocaust shaming starts when they are very young.

    I so agree: both American and German young people are so PsyOpsed…not to mention, just plain stupid; most don’t even know their own countries’ history, or contributions to technology, art, science. But, this is want the Globalists really want: dumb ass sheep of the most mindless generation who will need to be fed…so will accept anything. The party will be over soon, and, then, it will be bleak.

  88. @DB Cooper
    Kenya's economy is booming, one of the fastest growing economy in Sub-Sahara. According to the world bank it registered 5.8% growth in 2016. Last year it inaugurated the largest infrastructure project in the country's history since its independence and one of the largest in East Africa in as many years, the standard gauge railway from Mombasa to Nairobi. This news was pretty much censored in the West MSM. When the railway was officially opened last summer, I made it a point to check on the coverage in all the major news media such as WSJ, NYT, Guardian..etc. and none of them carry it, even though these newspapers has a dedicated Africa section! Here is a three part series of censored China's propaganda if you are interested.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Z0eYHWFCI&t=5s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9_m20MCuGw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ot_Arr_oMo

    Thanks for sharing – I watched the first video. A good story of rail designed with great consideration to the spectacular natural environment, and a remarkable collaborative effort between the Chinese and the locals in completing this major infrastructure project.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    Yes the place look beautiful. I read that the rail will eventually extend to other neighboring countries. Hopefully this will boost tourism to the region.
  89. @Daniel H
    >>The UK ran Nigeria for 60 years and was largely responsible for the 1967 famine.

    How could the UK possibly be responsible for a Nigerian famine of 1967? What, is the white man always to blame whenever and wherever the black man screws up?

    Stop framing this in racial terms. Why do so many people here do this? And for the record, the Brits were arming the government of Nigeria while it blockaded Biafra, starving millions.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    When enough people frame your life in racial terms, you eventually figure out that not doing so in kind puts your race, and you, in jeopardy. I waited decades, helpfully, for the race-centric fools to quiet. They got louder, and now -- not in future -- people who look like me are displaced and reviled. Race-centrism has been foisted, and it's here for a long drive.
    , @Triumph104
    Many here frame everything in racial terms because they have no knowledge of the subject matter, but that doesn't stop them from commenting. Unfortunately, some of the columnists at the Unz Review occasionally do the same thing.
  90. Meet Toni Lane Casserly :

    She is a pretty white girl who is extremely keen on abolishing borders, and allowing unlimited Muslims and Africans to come to the West. She really craves men of these races.

    She is using blockchain to supercede the restrictions nation-states impose, and is getting quite a platform.

    I don’t approve of this either, but it isn’t my primary pet cause the way it is for WNs.

    But what is you WNs gonna do? One such woman has more impact than 1,000,000 WNs.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Damn, some blond Chad must have throttled you in front of a bunch of cute laughing Beckys in your high school cafeteria. People can be cruel. Look, Thomm, maybe you’re young, and your memories still hurt, but they say It Gets Better™.

    Don’t get bitter like this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ASwmzaf-k
    , @Massimo Heitor

    Meet Toni Lane Casserly
     
    ... I've never heard of Toni Lane Casserly before, but she's advocating the exact same libertarian open border nirvana that I've been talking about in this thread and in other threads: Blow up the concept of the nation state, move to a post-democracy, decentralized libertarian, opt-in, open-ish borders, style of governance with a decentralized currency.

    Those are all amazing ideas. I'd happily move to such a libertarian utopian city.

    But what is you WNs gonna do? One such woman has more impact than 1,000,000 WNs.
     
    She didn't invent these ideas, she's just giving a flashy speech on them. It's the ideas that are having impact and getting the real attention, not this single woman.

    And while I find this woman's presentation style and personality obnoxious, I genuinely love the idea of these post-democracy open-ish border decentralized libertarian cities.

    Ideally, I'd help advance and shape these ideas in a positive direction. The WN have very valid concerns. One of which is basic moral consistency and fair rules that apply to everyone. Not the common pattern of tribal-preference for me but not for thee. Every ethnic/religious/linguistic/national/educational tribal unit prefers itself to the others. It's reasonable to want fair and consistent rules that apply to everyone.
  91. @Massimo Heitor

    I’m almost fully on board there,
     
    I'm "almost" on board with open borders too. Radical immigration shocks may blow up the nation state and lead the way to this free market nirvana. That would be fantastic.

    Or it might not work, and blowing up the nation state model might lead to world ruin. My preference is to treat our civilization as a precious jewel and not take these radical explosive risks.

    I'd also stress that the libertarian nirvana open border model is alien and radically opposed to the ideology of the political left that is behind the more practical pushes for immigration expansionism.

    ... until “libertarians” pretend that the immigration liberality should come before the wealth-retention liberality.
     
    I have no idea what this means.

    But what does it matter if I support a free market in everything, with a strong property foundation, if the average dope can’t understand any of it?
     
    Right, maybe the open borders gamble won't result in this free market nirvana but end in catastrophe and world ruin. It's quite the risk.

    The normal cliche on political aging was growth from lefty to righty. My aging has transformed me into a white preservationist above nearly all.

    [MORE]
    My views until about 8 years ago were lofty free market ideology, then it hit me that whites were being intentionally wiped from white territories by using white amenableness to splinter their societies. The hospitality mindset toward invading cultures is posterity suicide.

    I’m not willing to risk the chance that it wasn’t white culture that brought the world’s best, even if free market ideals could be roundly attained temporarily. We are sinking faster than I ever believed possible. My free market ideals from 20 years ago have been displaced by a spear in the face. They sound silly, frankly, the very things I once considered most important for survival and happiness.

  92. @Seth Largo
    What are Tanzania and Kenya doing right?

    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I’m pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does. Say what you will about the Chinese, but their approach of treating the Africans as business partners rather than condescendingly as children to be fetishized (in a way, it’s as I’ve said before: affluent white liberals really view blacks as objects for their own emotional needs more than anything. It’s not respect or admiration, it is condescension, if of a subliminally paternal type. The reason black nationalism is not taken seriously is, in part, because of this condescension on the part of Western bien-pensants. Granted, that’s better than being hated, a la the Deplorables in the West, but it is still dehumanizing) seems to be working pretty well. The Chinese don’t question the local political arrangements, correctly assuming that the locals know their own culture best, whereas Beltway-logic declares that the highest importance, rather than introducing new infrastructure or security partnerships, is that Africans must be lectured by State Department SJWs on Jeffersonian democracy and modern American sexual norms. The Chinese openly acknowledge that they are there because of their own national interests rather than out of some sense of altruism: and the Africans are OK with that. I suspect the lack of hypocrisy and openness is refreshing.

    Birth-rates wise, though Kenya and Tanzania still have some work to do, their birth rates have begun to decline. They are sitting at about 4 and 5 kids per woman, respectively, compared to the 6-8 that is rife throughout much of the rest of the continent. (Rwanda, pretty much the template model for economic development in Africa, is a little bit lower, at 3.8.) Should current trends continue, they’ll follow the path of much of the rest of the developed world here, and presumably, if Bush II and Obama (for different yet equally misguided reasons) were more willing to openly address the importance of emphasizing contraception and family planning in Africa, the numbers would have declined sooner.

    A big reason I often disagree with the hardcore racialists on this website is how well East Africa is doing relative to African-Americans, despite coming from far worse aggregate poverty over the past few decades. It’s not just economically-in terms of social dysfunction, too, the over-the-top crime rates of American ghettoes would be unheard of. Of course, Africa is a huge place, and you also have massively screwed up places at the bottom of the barrel like Somalia or the Congo-the latter of which is a real shame considering the sheer amount of raw materials there. I’m personally of the opinion that if Kagame could annex the eastern part of the country, the lot of both the locals and the world as a whole would be massively improved. Nigeria is an interesting case in that the country has a lot of potential and isn’t quite on the level of the Congo, but between overpopulation, massive corruption and governmental incompetence, the threat of radical Islam to the north… it’ll be a massively important country in the mid-to-late 21st Century, for better or for worse. Unfortunately, it looks currently like it’ll be for worse, and young Nigerians with an iota of ambition are planning their escape routes. Anyway, I’m no Africa expert and would happily be corrected by anybody who happens to be one, but it seems that one of the reasons East Africa got off to a bad start was because guys like Nyerere came to power in Tanzania (Neto in Angola is another example of this type, though not a good one since he died just as the civil war was ramping up) and naively copied the statist planning economies that were in vogue in educated circles in the developing world at the time. One thing that stands out about the first generation of East African colonials was, in contrast to militant groups led by psychopaths in the vein of the Bolsheviks or the Maoists or even bombastic incompetents like Sukarno or Mobutu, was that they meant well, but they axiomatically applied what they learned in the academy. They genuinely didn’t know any better. However, over the last couple of decades, things have changed around those parts, and Israeli and Chinese investment has bootstrapped a lot of interesting stuff. Lot of hugely interesting tech startups dealing with trade in East Africa sprouting up in Asia, for example.

    This mistake of simply copying whatever the more advanced countries were doing without adjusting to local conditions was far from limited to the left-wing in the Cold War, I might add: one of the big reasons’s behind the Shah’s downfall in Iran was his unquestioning application of everything “Western” to his society, above all, from the US. It’s not that it didn’t work, per se-Iran became much more affluent and modernized during his reign. But he didn’t adapt his political system to accommodate how fast he wanted to go, socially, economically, and above all, in making Iran more secular and attached to its old Persian identity at Islam’s expense. (It certainly didn’t help that his land reforms targeted the ulema clergy, and of course, that the White Revolution created a lot of jobless graduates that were easy pickings for the Islamists.) King Faisal in Saudi Arabia hauntingly reminded him in one letter when the Shah exhorted him to reform and liberalize his country that he ruled a Muslim country, not Sweden or France.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    Well said.
    , @Anonymous
    Old style white racists regarded Africans as brute beasts to be subjugated. New style white racists regard Africans as helpless children to be coddled. The Chinese regard Africans as friends and equals and seek to neither dominate nor patronise them.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Where to start? You say so many questionable things.

    First of all I doubt if it makes much sense to characterize the Chinese style of African colonialism quite yet. Maybe the white colonials had a differ approach because they had so much more experience in Africa. Perhaps the Chinese will alter their methods and attitudes after they have gained more familiarity with the people and their culture. The Rhodesians and the white South Africans never engaged in a deliberate policy of genocide. Maybe the Chinese will not be so circumspect? We'll see.

    I too am not an African expert. My college buddy Calvin was a real Africa expert but Calvin went to serve Amin in Uganda and was never seen again. I hope he didn't end up in the stew pot. I have read enough African history to know that Amin and Bokassa kept kitchens for the preparation of meals based on those out of current favor. Cannibalism wasn't the only cultural quirk of de-colonization. Several African rulers established zoos where they kept crocodiles that could be trusted to eat political opponents.

    Two years ago I read a whole series of books on the American Revolution and our separation from Great Britain. I don't remember that any of our Founding Fathers ate the British after the war. You seem to be trying to ignore the obvious fact that blacks are different.

    You also seem to have missed Sailer's point about population. America, Europe and many nations in the East have all undergone the "demographic transition". Their birth rates have fallen soon after modern medicine lowered their death rates. But that hasn't happened in Africa. It should have already happened. That's Steve's point. You think it will happen some time in the future because you assume that blacks in the long run are just the same as other races. I hope that that is true but to date it hasn't been.
    , @Pat Boyle
    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I’m pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does.

    This statement assumes that high-speed rail is desirable. Rail transportation in general and that includes high-speed rail, is basically a cheap way of moving people around. If a nation or an area gets rich enough most people will prefer to travel by their own private automobile.

    So it is indeed possible, even likely, that parts of Africa may develop high-speed rail. It is also possible that America will abandon passenger rail altogether. The trend on the horizon that everyone is watching is that of self driving cars. We may have publicly owned cars available soon too for rent. Maybe I won't need a private car or a train at all. If I want to go to San Jose, I'll just order a car on the web. It will drive itself automatically to my door and take me to my destination.

    I haven't gone to the grocery store in five years. Amazon and Safeway bring my food to my door. Maybe now that we will soon no longer need cab drivers or chauffeurs I'll just rent a car on the web.

    High-speed rail is so twentieth century.

    , @Seth Largo
    Thanks, great comment.

    Regarding the new colonialism, the Chinese have the benefit of Europe's imperial history. It has provided a blueprint of what to do and what not to do. I imagine there's a general dynamic in play here, the same one that led to humans knowing which plants will kill you if you eat them.
  93. @Thomm
    The only possible solution here is if some CRISPR-type genetic editor can edit IQ up by 30 points per patient.

    Normal whites will go from 105 to 135.
    Blacks will go from 85 to 115.
    WNs will go from 70 to 100.

    Blacks are still lower than whites, but at least at a good absolute level. WNs will be less of a fly in the white ointment despite the same relative delta.

    That is the only scenario I can see for managing this torrent of Africans.

    Well once again I have to protest your characterization of WNs as the bottom rung of whites with average IQs of 70. That seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. For starters, our good host here Ron Unz has already pointed out that commenter atillathehen has an IQ of around 91. So at a minimum, one has to conclude that there’s at least one WN with at least an IQ of 91! Thus your assertion is uh duly falsified…

    • Replies: @Thomm
    Why would you defend them? They hate you.

    Plus, one anecdote does not change the broader average.

    Plus, their comprehensive loserdom extends far beyond IQ.
  94. @Bragadocious
    Stop framing this in racial terms. Why do so many people here do this? And for the record, the Brits were arming the government of Nigeria while it blockaded Biafra, starving millions.

    When enough people frame your life in racial terms, you eventually figure out that not doing so in kind puts your race, and you, in jeopardy. I waited decades, helpfully, for the race-centric fools to quiet. They got louder, and now — not in future — people who look like me are displaced and reviled. Race-centrism has been foisted, and it’s here for a long drive.

  95. @Yan Shen
    Well once again I have to protest your characterization of WNs as the bottom rung of whites with average IQs of 70. That seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. For starters, our good host here Ron Unz has already pointed out that commenter atillathehen has an IQ of around 91. So at a minimum, one has to conclude that there's at least one WN with at least an IQ of 91! Thus your assertion is uh duly falsified...

    Why would you defend them? They hate you.

    Plus, one anecdote does not change the broader average.

    Plus, their comprehensive loserdom extends far beyond IQ.

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    I certainly do have my fair share of uh detractors here at Unz. But I'm all for the free marketplace of ideas! So in that sense I actually appreciate people pushing back against some or maybe even all of what I have to say. Indeed some of the pushback I get is rather fascinating to say the least, like that uh Russian fellow Svigor who keeps referring to me with a reference that I'm probably just too pop-culturally illiterate to recognize.

    Maybe I'm uh hopelessly naive, but I'd like to believe that in the end scientific rationality will ultimately triumph over irrationality and superstition and obviously bad ideas. As crazy as some of the personalities here at Unz are, it is a bit hard for me to say with a straight fact that these individuals literally all have IQs around 70, which would imply mental retardation. I mean I've never seen an actual mentally retarded constantly haranguing someone else over their personal life and who they chose to marry over and over again, like that atillathehen character does through her constant hectoring of poor old John Derbyshire!

    Not to seem mocking or anything like that towards those with Down Syndrome, but most of the retarded people I've encountered in life mostly seem to make random noises or other such utterances or maybe form very basic sentences at most...

    , @Massimo Heitor

    Why would you defend them? They hate you.

     

    Why would this crowd hate Yan Shen? I've never heard of her until now. Skimming her comments she seems like a great person that I would really like.

    If you are implying that this crowd hate non-whites... That is mostly absurd. So, this is a comment section that attracts angry pissed off white people, but I suspect most people are more reasonable. My wife is black, btw.
  96. @Thomm
    Meet Toni Lane Casserly :

    https://youtu.be/cJPE4H_fgBQ

    She is a pretty white girl who is extremely keen on abolishing borders, and allowing unlimited Muslims and Africans to come to the West. She really craves men of these races.

    She is using blockchain to supercede the restrictions nation-states impose, and is getting quite a platform.

    I don't approve of this either, but it isn't my primary pet cause the way it is for WNs.

    But what is you WNs gonna do? One such woman has more impact than 1,000,000 WNs.

    Damn, some blond Chad must have throttled you in front of a bunch of cute laughing Beckys in your high school cafeteria. People can be cruel. Look, Thomm, maybe you’re young, and your memories still hurt, but they say It Gets Better™.

    Don’t get bitter like this guy:

    • Replies: @Thomm
    Translation : Jenner is butthurt that I merely revealed the existence of that one woman, which negates everything his entire subrace 0f defectives does.

    What is you gonna do?

    Heh heh heh heh
  97. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Damn, some blond Chad must have throttled you in front of a bunch of cute laughing Beckys in your high school cafeteria. People can be cruel. Look, Thomm, maybe you’re young, and your memories still hurt, but they say It Gets Better™.

    Don’t get bitter like this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ASwmzaf-k

    Translation : Jenner is butthurt that I merely revealed the existence of that one woman, which negates everything his entire subrace 0f defectives does.

    What is you gonna do?

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Heh heh heh heh
     
    Ooof, there’s that creepy bitter laugh again. Thomm, bro, I’m here only to help. :)
  98. @Thomm
    Why would you defend them? They hate you.

    Plus, one anecdote does not change the broader average.

    Plus, their comprehensive loserdom extends far beyond IQ.

    I certainly do have my fair share of uh detractors here at Unz. But I’m all for the free marketplace of ideas! So in that sense I actually appreciate people pushing back against some or maybe even all of what I have to say. Indeed some of the pushback I get is rather fascinating to say the least, like that uh Russian fellow Svigor who keeps referring to me with a reference that I’m probably just too pop-culturally illiterate to recognize.

    Maybe I’m uh hopelessly naive, but I’d like to believe that in the end scientific rationality will ultimately triumph over irrationality and superstition and obviously bad ideas. As crazy as some of the personalities here at Unz are, it is a bit hard for me to say with a straight fact that these individuals literally all have IQs around 70, which would imply mental retardation. I mean I’ve never seen an actual mentally retarded constantly haranguing someone else over their personal life and who they chose to marry over and over again, like that atillathehen character does through her constant hectoring of poor old John Derbyshire!

    Not to seem mocking or anything like that towards those with Down Syndrome, but most of the retarded people I’ve encountered in life mostly seem to make random noises or other such utterances or maybe form very basic sentences at most…

  99. @John Achterhof
    Thanks for sharing - I watched the first video. A good story of rail designed with great consideration to the spectacular natural environment, and a remarkable collaborative effort between the Chinese and the locals in completing this major infrastructure project.

    Yes the place look beautiful. I read that the rail will eventually extend to other neighboring countries. Hopefully this will boost tourism to the region.

  100. @nebulafox
    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I'm pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does. Say what you will about the Chinese, but their approach of treating the Africans as business partners rather than condescendingly as children to be fetishized (in a way, it's as I've said before: affluent white liberals really view blacks as objects for their own emotional needs more than anything. It's not respect or admiration, it is condescension, if of a subliminally paternal type. The reason black nationalism is not taken seriously is, in part, because of this condescension on the part of Western bien-pensants. Granted, that's better than being hated, a la the Deplorables in the West, but it is still dehumanizing) seems to be working pretty well. The Chinese don't question the local political arrangements, correctly assuming that the locals know their own culture best, whereas Beltway-logic declares that the highest importance, rather than introducing new infrastructure or security partnerships, is that Africans must be lectured by State Department SJWs on Jeffersonian democracy and modern American sexual norms. The Chinese openly acknowledge that they are there because of their own national interests rather than out of some sense of altruism: and the Africans are OK with that. I suspect the lack of hypocrisy and openness is refreshing.

    Birth-rates wise, though Kenya and Tanzania still have some work to do, their birth rates have begun to decline. They are sitting at about 4 and 5 kids per woman, respectively, compared to the 6-8 that is rife throughout much of the rest of the continent. (Rwanda, pretty much the template model for economic development in Africa, is a little bit lower, at 3.8.) Should current trends continue, they'll follow the path of much of the rest of the developed world here, and presumably, if Bush II and Obama (for different yet equally misguided reasons) were more willing to openly address the importance of emphasizing contraception and family planning in Africa, the numbers would have declined sooner.

    A big reason I often disagree with the hardcore racialists on this website is how well East Africa is doing relative to African-Americans, despite coming from far worse aggregate poverty over the past few decades. It's not just economically-in terms of social dysfunction, too, the over-the-top crime rates of American ghettoes would be unheard of. Of course, Africa is a huge place, and you also have massively screwed up places at the bottom of the barrel like Somalia or the Congo-the latter of which is a real shame considering the sheer amount of raw materials there. I'm personally of the opinion that if Kagame could annex the eastern part of the country, the lot of both the locals and the world as a whole would be massively improved. Nigeria is an interesting case in that the country has a lot of potential and isn't quite on the level of the Congo, but between overpopulation, massive corruption and governmental incompetence, the threat of radical Islam to the north... it'll be a massively important country in the mid-to-late 21st Century, for better or for worse. Unfortunately, it looks currently like it'll be for worse, and young Nigerians with an iota of ambition are planning their escape routes. Anyway, I'm no Africa expert and would happily be corrected by anybody who happens to be one, but it seems that one of the reasons East Africa got off to a bad start was because guys like Nyerere came to power in Tanzania (Neto in Angola is another example of this type, though not a good one since he died just as the civil war was ramping up) and naively copied the statist planning economies that were in vogue in educated circles in the developing world at the time. One thing that stands out about the first generation of East African colonials was, in contrast to militant groups led by psychopaths in the vein of the Bolsheviks or the Maoists or even bombastic incompetents like Sukarno or Mobutu, was that they meant well, but they axiomatically applied what they learned in the academy. They genuinely didn't know any better. However, over the last couple of decades, things have changed around those parts, and Israeli and Chinese investment has bootstrapped a lot of interesting stuff. Lot of hugely interesting tech startups dealing with trade in East Africa sprouting up in Asia, for example.

    This mistake of simply copying whatever the more advanced countries were doing without adjusting to local conditions was far from limited to the left-wing in the Cold War, I might add: one of the big reasons's behind the Shah's downfall in Iran was his unquestioning application of everything "Western" to his society, above all, from the US. It's not that it didn't work, per se-Iran became much more affluent and modernized during his reign. But he didn't adapt his political system to accommodate how fast he wanted to go, socially, economically, and above all, in making Iran more secular and attached to its old Persian identity at Islam's expense. (It certainly didn't help that his land reforms targeted the ulema clergy, and of course, that the White Revolution created a lot of jobless graduates that were easy pickings for the Islamists.) King Faisal in Saudi Arabia hauntingly reminded him in one letter when the Shah exhorted him to reform and liberalize his country that he ruled a Muslim country, not Sweden or France.

    Well said.

  101. @Yan Shen
    Well I could uh certainly see someone being concerned about the potential population deluge from sub-Saharan Africa having a non-trivial impact on the rest of the world in the upcoming decades. Certainly as you've pointed out before, people need to be talking about these sorts of issues a bit more openly.

    It does seem slightly silly in my opinion though to compare the entire immigration situation in the West with Western Europe on the precipice of World War 2, what with politicians like Chamberlain having helped in part to create a monster through continued acquiescence towards Hitler and the Nazi regime. But maybe my failure to appreciate all of this is in part because as an American, we're a bit more insulated from all of this African craziness, what with having a few giant bodies of water separating us from the continent or the likes, unlike our uh European friends who appear to be caught a bit more squarely in the cross-hairs.

    I am a little skeptical though that the sub-Saharan tsunami about to sweep the entire world is somehow the equivalent of the German blitzkrieg that embodied the desire for a new world order during the Second World War, with all of its attendant slaughter and genocidal atrocities.

    But since uh white nationalist types are always lamenting the genocide of the white race or something, despite the fact that in absolute numbers whites probably will still be slightly higher or at worst around the same a couple of decades down the line compared to now and despite the fact that there currently are somewhere around 1-1.2 billion whites of European descent around the world, maybe the Hitler analogy makes more sense given that context...

    On a somewhat related note, I recently watched Darkest Hour for the first time and found myself mesmerized by Gary Oldman's performance as Churchill. A best actor award well earned!

    Is your failure to understand the Chamberlain/Merkel analogy the illustration of the math/verbal split?

    Westerners may be sleepwalking on mass immigration these days but if you sent these hundreds of millions of Malthusian Africans toward, for example, the shores of China or Japan, the resulting genocide against African boat people will be many times worse than anything Hitler inflicted.

  102. Ed says:

    Wanting to migrate and being able to migrate are two different things. Even though many anti-immigrant, right wing parties have yet to sieze much power in the West they have moved the debate to the right. Immigration is on the radar and Western powers know allowing it as they have before is no longer an option.

    I don’t know what fate will befall the millions soon to be billions in Africa but going to Europe or America will be a distant dream for the vast majority of them.

  103. @Thomm
    Meet Toni Lane Casserly :

    https://youtu.be/cJPE4H_fgBQ

    She is a pretty white girl who is extremely keen on abolishing borders, and allowing unlimited Muslims and Africans to come to the West. She really craves men of these races.

    She is using blockchain to supercede the restrictions nation-states impose, and is getting quite a platform.

    I don't approve of this either, but it isn't my primary pet cause the way it is for WNs.

    But what is you WNs gonna do? One such woman has more impact than 1,000,000 WNs.

    Meet Toni Lane Casserly

    … I’ve never heard of Toni Lane Casserly before, but she’s advocating the exact same libertarian open border nirvana that I’ve been talking about in this thread and in other threads: Blow up the concept of the nation state, move to a post-democracy, decentralized libertarian, opt-in, open-ish borders, style of governance with a decentralized currency.

    Those are all amazing ideas. I’d happily move to such a libertarian utopian city.

    But what is you WNs gonna do? One such woman has more impact than 1,000,000 WNs.

    She didn’t invent these ideas, she’s just giving a flashy speech on them. It’s the ideas that are having impact and getting the real attention, not this single woman.

    And while I find this woman’s presentation style and personality obnoxious, I genuinely love the idea of these post-democracy open-ish border decentralized libertarian cities.

    Ideally, I’d help advance and shape these ideas in a positive direction. The WN have very valid concerns. One of which is basic moral consistency and fair rules that apply to everyone. Not the common pattern of tribal-preference for me but not for thee. Every ethnic/religious/linguistic/national/educational tribal unit prefers itself to the others. It’s reasonable to want fair and consistent rules that apply to everyone.

  104. Economic migration of Africans (and others from sh*thole countries) to the West is just getting started.

    After all, who would want to stay in a sh*thole country when they can talk to their cousin for free on video Skype and see the free apartment in Germany and x hundred euro they get each month for free, just for being dark refugees?

    Travel, communication, fake papers, information — all were expensive in years past but dirt cheap today. They talk to their cousins, see pics of the pretty young White girls offering themselves holding welcome signs, see the Western lifestyle on Youtube. They want it all.

    And they are coming. Oh yes, they are coming.

    We’re just getting started.

    Does Europe have the will to exist? I doubt it. Does America? Jury is still out on that.

  105. @Thulean Friend
    If people don't want to live in a white society then they won't. It's that simple. This is not an unstoppable process. Not only can it be stopped, it can be reversed.

    The language of 'inevitability' is always thrown around but it's bullshit. A problem created by man can also be solved by man. But nothing will be done unless white people decide to junk civic nationalism and it's utter and complete failure.

    Name one society that lasted even just a generation and was governed according to the type of explicit white racial nationalism which you describe.

    New things are always possible but reaslism is dealing with people as they are not as you want them to be.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "Name one society that lasted even just a generation and was governed according to the type of explicit [white] racial nationalism which you describe."
     
    All of Asia, Europe and the New World from the beginning of history until about a generation ago.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Back at you: name one society that has survived without explicitly defending the cultural and territorial integrity of its racial-ethnic redoubt.

    Jewish nationalism seems to have worked out pretty well for Israel. Han nationalism works out well for China, and the Koreans, Japanese and others have no intention whatsoever of assimilating into the Chinese Borg. Even landlocked, surrounded Mongolia is still Mongolia. Bhutan is a garden, for the Bhutanese. Syria, despite the best efforts of the US and Arab monarchies, and with some outside help from Russia and Hezbollah, seems determined to be an integral sovereign in its own right. It took them centuries, but the Spaniards eventually got Spain back and didn't become Moors. The Amish are determinedly Amish, and they don't even have guns. Do you need any other examples?
  106. @songbird
    One of the really surprising delusions on the Left now is that Africa will be the "next China." It is really quite startling to hear people say that. I don't think the old Left believed anything half as crazy as that. Maybe, they mean China will invade Africa?

    It's easy to write off the "next Einstein" being found in Africa as an excess of rhetoric, but Africa becoming the "next China" is incredibly insane. It was not China three thousand years ago, so how can it become China now?

    Do I think Africa is going to be the next China? No, for the same reasons that Vietnam and India are not the new China, or that China was not the new South Korea or Japan or Singapore back in the day. Each part of the world has its own culture and politics and thus will develop-or not develop-according to what happens there. To say that the smarter dictators in Africa are using parts of China’s path to development that are adaptable in their own countries is more accurate, on the other hand, but that’s not as catchy.

    Africa is gigantic. Somalia is not Rwanda, which is not Angola. It has massive religious (in particular, the Muslim/Christian divide, which is a massive problem in Nigeria right now), cultural, and ethnic differences across different peoples on the continent. Do I think some parts of Africa are going to boom tremendously over the coming century, carrying with it a massive raise in living standards, IQ, and development? Yes. But do I think that other parts of Africa, if current trends continue, are going to degenerate further into unimaginable hellholes that is going to tremendously negatively impact the world? Without question. In particular, the specter of 800 million Nigerians coming out of a country facing massive ethnic and sectarian conflict is going to become a major policy issue in the West, no matter how much our elites wish think African population growth is not a Respectable Topic.

    One other thing to note: I’ve mentioned that one way China is attacking the problem of single men is exporting them abroad and having them marry foreigners. I occasionally wonder how will impact things with the Africans if the local Chinese (who, like most communities of their type throughout the millenia, from Spanish conquistadors to German Osteidlung settlers, are overwhelmingly male) take African women as wives. This has been seen already with migrants in Russia’s Far East, where there is a surplus of females who think-usually quite rationally-that the Chinese men are better husband material, and with Vietnam, which despite its hot-house growth at the moment, is still a poor place with a shared Confucian cultural tradition and plenty of poor village girls who would be satisfied with a “less impoverished” rural lifestyle. Given China’s usually quite absorptive culture, it stands a pretty good chance of success in the long run, as the kids will presumably go to school in China, grow up speaking Mandarin, and marry into the gene pool.

    However, this policy has its limits, based largely on individual decisions, no matter what the CPC has in mind to try and uphold social stability by ensuring as many young men get wives as possible: some of the PRC Chinese who’ve flooded into Vientiane in recent years insist on going back to China to try and get wives rather than marrying Lao women, and they cite the cultural gap as a major reason why. I can only imagine that Africa would be even more extreme. This’ll be interesting to see.

    • Replies: @Another German Reader
    Unz.com-reader are not parrots. We do not repeat lies and buy them ourselves.

    China has a problem with surplus men. No doubt about it.

    BUT the gap is much smaller than people think.

    #1. Despite the one-child-policy nationwide, in rural areas people were allowed to have a second child if the first one was retarded, ill & unlikely able to provide for the parents or the parents were single child themselves.

    #2 In many (rural) communes the families did not report the birth of a child, if it was a girl.

    #3 Local officials were bribed or fixed the birth-statistics to please Beijing.

    #4 Migrant workers/couples had two children. One back in the village with the grandparents and one at the city, where they worked.

    #5 Chinese academics/PhD-students/businessmen & their wives sometimes had a 2nd child abroad before returning to China.

    -> If you read tidbits from local news in China the education-officials were quiet surprised when a dozen out-of-nowwhere girls show up for 1st schoolyear at the local primary-schools. This happens every year allover China.

    #6 Gay men (in the closet) couldn't unfortunately find a wive. Their parents still hope for the best next year. LOL (Negated by in-the-closet lesbians who are "still looking" for Mr Big.)

    #7 Poor men in developing countries know that no money no honey. They know when they are already horny teens.

    #8 Prostitution & availability of porn.

    #9 China has no hard polygamy. Only soft polygamy for alpha-men, who can pay the bills of having several mistresses.

    -> China's surplus men-problem is not as big as clueless media tells us. It's more a geographically problem as young women flock to the cities. The young men, who stay in the village (for whatever reasons) do have a problem finding wives. But urbanisation continues and another 400 million rurals are moving to the growing 3rd tier cities.

    -> Surplus men in China still have a purpose in life. From being a farmer to factory-worker to the office-worker in a booming company.

    -> The single tech-engineer, who came from the village, still had found a new identity. As a new resident in Shenzen. As a Huawei-employee. As tennis-club-member. As a Nvidia-user. As a citizen of the upcoming hegemon. As a frequent traveller to Kiew.

    -> Red-light districts/sex-tourism provide a pressure-valve if horniness gets to hot. You can already find well-dressed foreign women at China most-expensive hotels in 1st tier cities. From African exchange-college-students to Russian "stewardesses" to American models, who are intown for some fashion-shows. If you cannot afford them, well there are still Cambodian waitresses down the roadside motel.

    ----

    If you want to see surplus men: Go to any Arab country. Young men with mediocre/worthless college-degrees with no jobs, no identity, no p****. Citizens of stagnating economies. Societies with sanctioned polygamy. Rigid moral-framework and gender-separation. No cash to pay for the few low-key prostitutes and only a few fat old ugly Western women at the beach. But even those women only take the best smooth-talking, good-looking guys.

    -> While African migrants do harass/rape European women, it's always the extremly violent acts from Arab refugees/migrants that standout. Not just simple rape but the violent degradation, the subsequent murder of the victim or the victim's massive injuries due penetration by bottles and other objects. Africans might chase teens & women, but incase of the Arabs it's everything between 5-year-old girls at the public pool to the 85-old women in the nursing home.

    -> I am convinced that Islamic extremism is partially fueled more by sexual frustation than Isreali success.
  107. @anonymous
    There are 500 million people in the EU. 5 to 10 million are black. With only 250k arriving annually, blacks as a percentage of the EU won't change much. This whole post was paranoid alarmism even hinting at the start of WW3 and invoking Hitler.

    blacks as a percentage of the EU won’t change much.

    Yeah, so you guys have been telling us.
    Guess what’s been happening meanwhile?

  108. @ogunsiron
    How do they make it to Mexico ? What possible route could they be taking ?

    And why on earth would they stay there when Freebie Nation is just a few miles to the north? BTW, air travel is very very cheap in cattle class. It’s no task at all to fly across the ocean and conveniently lose your passport upon arrival.

  109. Geez Steve, thought we were pals and here you go posting this while I was asleep.

    Anyways, to the matter at hand.

    Per the source, there are a grand total of 670k Nigerians in Europe and America. Let’s throw caution to the air and assume that 2m are illegals–an absurdity– that’s still less than 3m, How then is it possible for 31% to have regular contact with relatives in those countries? That would imply that there nearly 56m Nigerians have relations in Europe and America. How exactly do those numbers square?

    I’m sure more than 50% of people want to be billionaires or have sex with models, it’d be dumb to take it seriously though.

    Anyways, I’m one of the 26%, the less flakes we have, the easier to nation-build.

    Please throw open your borders to them. I’m grateful to be rid of them.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "Please throw open your borders to them. I’m grateful to be rid of them."
     
    Thank you for proving my previous comment.

    "How then is it possible for 31% to have regular contact with relatives in those countries?"
     
    Extended families. But I'm sure you knew this.

    I do agree about Steve sneakily posting stuff while we're asleep.

    , @Bies Podkrakowski

    Please throw open your borders to them. I’m grateful to be rid of them.
     
    No, no, please keep them. All of them. What kind of nationalist wants to get rid of his compatriots?

    Or is it truth that Nigeria is not a nation only a collection of tribes, and you as a member of one don't feel any connection to the rest?
  110. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I'm pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does. Say what you will about the Chinese, but their approach of treating the Africans as business partners rather than condescendingly as children to be fetishized (in a way, it's as I've said before: affluent white liberals really view blacks as objects for their own emotional needs more than anything. It's not respect or admiration, it is condescension, if of a subliminally paternal type. The reason black nationalism is not taken seriously is, in part, because of this condescension on the part of Western bien-pensants. Granted, that's better than being hated, a la the Deplorables in the West, but it is still dehumanizing) seems to be working pretty well. The Chinese don't question the local political arrangements, correctly assuming that the locals know their own culture best, whereas Beltway-logic declares that the highest importance, rather than introducing new infrastructure or security partnerships, is that Africans must be lectured by State Department SJWs on Jeffersonian democracy and modern American sexual norms. The Chinese openly acknowledge that they are there because of their own national interests rather than out of some sense of altruism: and the Africans are OK with that. I suspect the lack of hypocrisy and openness is refreshing.

    Birth-rates wise, though Kenya and Tanzania still have some work to do, their birth rates have begun to decline. They are sitting at about 4 and 5 kids per woman, respectively, compared to the 6-8 that is rife throughout much of the rest of the continent. (Rwanda, pretty much the template model for economic development in Africa, is a little bit lower, at 3.8.) Should current trends continue, they'll follow the path of much of the rest of the developed world here, and presumably, if Bush II and Obama (for different yet equally misguided reasons) were more willing to openly address the importance of emphasizing contraception and family planning in Africa, the numbers would have declined sooner.

    A big reason I often disagree with the hardcore racialists on this website is how well East Africa is doing relative to African-Americans, despite coming from far worse aggregate poverty over the past few decades. It's not just economically-in terms of social dysfunction, too, the over-the-top crime rates of American ghettoes would be unheard of. Of course, Africa is a huge place, and you also have massively screwed up places at the bottom of the barrel like Somalia or the Congo-the latter of which is a real shame considering the sheer amount of raw materials there. I'm personally of the opinion that if Kagame could annex the eastern part of the country, the lot of both the locals and the world as a whole would be massively improved. Nigeria is an interesting case in that the country has a lot of potential and isn't quite on the level of the Congo, but between overpopulation, massive corruption and governmental incompetence, the threat of radical Islam to the north... it'll be a massively important country in the mid-to-late 21st Century, for better or for worse. Unfortunately, it looks currently like it'll be for worse, and young Nigerians with an iota of ambition are planning their escape routes. Anyway, I'm no Africa expert and would happily be corrected by anybody who happens to be one, but it seems that one of the reasons East Africa got off to a bad start was because guys like Nyerere came to power in Tanzania (Neto in Angola is another example of this type, though not a good one since he died just as the civil war was ramping up) and naively copied the statist planning economies that were in vogue in educated circles in the developing world at the time. One thing that stands out about the first generation of East African colonials was, in contrast to militant groups led by psychopaths in the vein of the Bolsheviks or the Maoists or even bombastic incompetents like Sukarno or Mobutu, was that they meant well, but they axiomatically applied what they learned in the academy. They genuinely didn't know any better. However, over the last couple of decades, things have changed around those parts, and Israeli and Chinese investment has bootstrapped a lot of interesting stuff. Lot of hugely interesting tech startups dealing with trade in East Africa sprouting up in Asia, for example.

    This mistake of simply copying whatever the more advanced countries were doing without adjusting to local conditions was far from limited to the left-wing in the Cold War, I might add: one of the big reasons's behind the Shah's downfall in Iran was his unquestioning application of everything "Western" to his society, above all, from the US. It's not that it didn't work, per se-Iran became much more affluent and modernized during his reign. But he didn't adapt his political system to accommodate how fast he wanted to go, socially, economically, and above all, in making Iran more secular and attached to its old Persian identity at Islam's expense. (It certainly didn't help that his land reforms targeted the ulema clergy, and of course, that the White Revolution created a lot of jobless graduates that were easy pickings for the Islamists.) King Faisal in Saudi Arabia hauntingly reminded him in one letter when the Shah exhorted him to reform and liberalize his country that he ruled a Muslim country, not Sweden or France.

    Old style white racists regarded Africans as brute beasts to be subjugated. New style white racists regard Africans as helpless children to be coddled. The Chinese regard Africans as friends and equals and seek to neither dominate nor patronise them.

    • Replies: @Moses
    Equals?

    I do not think that word means what you think it means.
  111. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    I have to cite ‘Ken Beefman’s First Law of Modern Western Political Thought’ in this instance.
    Basically the Law goes like this:

    Being the shallow, pompous, unwarranted egoists that they are, the appellation most western politicians crave more than anything else in the world is being dubbed ‘smart’. There is absolutely nothing, *nothing* whatsoever the typical shit-arsed western politician won’t do to be dubbed ‘smart’. If this involves sacrificing whole nations and economies, (vide the Euro currency), the western politician will do it.

    Now, being dubbed ‘smart’ by The Economist magazine is the sine non qua of ‘smartness’ , so western politicians crave it and will do *anything* more than ever to get that recommendation.

    The third leg of Beefman’s law rests on the *fact* that The Economist is run and written by the damndest stupid most brainless gullible farting fools in creation, and can absolutely relied upon to get *everything* of any consequence absolutely ‘arse-over-tit’.

    Such is the bind of 21st life.

    If only we had a modern AEsop to compose a good old fable out of Beefman’s Law – which is true, by the way.

  112. @DB Cooper
    Kenya's economy is booming, one of the fastest growing economy in Sub-Sahara. According to the world bank it registered 5.8% growth in 2016. Last year it inaugurated the largest infrastructure project in the country's history since its independence and one of the largest in East Africa in as many years, the standard gauge railway from Mombasa to Nairobi. This news was pretty much censored in the West MSM. When the railway was officially opened last summer, I made it a point to check on the coverage in all the major news media such as WSJ, NYT, Guardian..etc. and none of them carry it, even though these newspapers has a dedicated Africa section! Here is a three part series of censored China's propaganda if you are interested.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Z0eYHWFCI&t=5s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9_m20MCuGw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ot_Arr_oMo

    Unfortunately Kenya’s economy is not as rosy as the video makes out.

    It is true that real GDP grew 5.6% in 2016 but the population grew 2.6%, and given the population structure, the working age population probably grew at 3%.

    This results in a real GDP per capita growth rate of probably only 2.6%, as adjusted for demographics.

    Furthermore, the government operates with an 8% deficit, which more than explains the 2.6% growth rate. GDP being simply a measure of spending.

    And these are the best of times for Kenya.

    If somehow they continue as is and the world forgives Kenya’s deficits forever and a bunch of other impossible things, then Kenya will have the GDP per capita in 50 years that Iraq has now.

    Yes, that is Iraq after almost 2 decades of civil war/invasion including the second largest urban area becoming the shining city of the Caliphate.

    What’s worse is that Kenya is indeed a bright spot. Nigeria shows nothing like its promise and by the time Kenya reaches the above according to the ideal scenario, Nigeria will have a population of 600 million.

    On the other hand, life will likely go on. The wealthy and the smart will likely do well and live well. Both this and the above can easily be true at the same time but it behooves us to remember that Sub-Saharan Africa will remain exceptionally poor and undeveloped for at least our life times – even in the most favourable of circumstances.

    I feel bad writing it. It is talking down the chances of a whole continent but it is undeniable.

    European man, look at the inheritance your ancestors gave you, and be grateful! No one will admire you for throwing/giving it all away. Indeed, they will despise you for it.

  113. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polish Perspective

    This is why Poland and Hungary would be crazy to accept some of Merkel’s Million Marching Muslim: they would establish beachheads to be exploited by their family and friends over the generations.
     
    Right now we're getting a lot of people from Ukraine and Belarus, but our greedy capitalists are already eyeing South Asia (Nepal and India in particular). Poland may be poorer than West, but it isn't as poor as you think. Our net wages are roughly one half to one third of those in the West, but we also have much lower living costs, so the actual difference is closer.

    Compared to any SSA or MENA or South Asian country, we are leagues ahead and our labour market is quite good these days. Low unemployment and solid wage growth (~4% in real terms last year and likely this year too). Poland will unlikely ever have the same problems that France or Sweden has, but I expect it to have the same amount of non-whites as, say, Denmark has by 2030 or 2035. Denmark is roughly 91% white. Poland is virtually 99% white. Even higher if you only count those with citizenship.

    Still, the experience of others shows us that once people stay for extended periods in your country, sooner or later they will get citizenship even if it is against the law and/or it was never intended to happen. Look at the German Gastarbeiters. Look at the US illegal alien population. Now Trump is accusing the dems for being not pro-DACA enough.

    So, if we count those who live illegally and those who are guest workers, Poland is maybe 99% white today, since the vast bulk of our foreign workers are Eastern Europeans but this will change by the 2020s. And these workers will also use chain migration.

    Ultimately, by 2030, I think AI will be so advanced that much of human labour will be superflous. We can already see it coming for cars but Amazon is already having cashier-free stores being tried out. Drones will be used for transport of goods within the city. And so on. Those countries with large surplus populations will have a massive headache.

    As long as Poland remains in the EU, it has absolutely no choice or say whatsoever in the ‘migrants’ from other EU states who choose to settle in Poland. Rather ironically, given the massive Polish diaspora in the UK.
    Now, Poland will only get progressively richer in the coming decades, and the third world origin population of the western EU will only increase, not least because of EU refusal to ditch the Geneva Convention.
    It’s fairly obvious how the future will pan out for Poland.

  114. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polish Perspective

    This is why Poland and Hungary would be crazy to accept some of Merkel’s Million Marching Muslim: they would establish beachheads to be exploited by their family and friends over the generations.
     
    Right now we're getting a lot of people from Ukraine and Belarus, but our greedy capitalists are already eyeing South Asia (Nepal and India in particular). Poland may be poorer than West, but it isn't as poor as you think. Our net wages are roughly one half to one third of those in the West, but we also have much lower living costs, so the actual difference is closer.

    Compared to any SSA or MENA or South Asian country, we are leagues ahead and our labour market is quite good these days. Low unemployment and solid wage growth (~4% in real terms last year and likely this year too). Poland will unlikely ever have the same problems that France or Sweden has, but I expect it to have the same amount of non-whites as, say, Denmark has by 2030 or 2035. Denmark is roughly 91% white. Poland is virtually 99% white. Even higher if you only count those with citizenship.

    Still, the experience of others shows us that once people stay for extended periods in your country, sooner or later they will get citizenship even if it is against the law and/or it was never intended to happen. Look at the German Gastarbeiters. Look at the US illegal alien population. Now Trump is accusing the dems for being not pro-DACA enough.

    So, if we count those who live illegally and those who are guest workers, Poland is maybe 99% white today, since the vast bulk of our foreign workers are Eastern Europeans but this will change by the 2020s. And these workers will also use chain migration.

    Ultimately, by 2030, I think AI will be so advanced that much of human labour will be superflous. We can already see it coming for cars but Amazon is already having cashier-free stores being tried out. Drones will be used for transport of goods within the city. And so on. Those countries with large surplus populations will have a massive headache.

    No one but no one, 50 years’ ago, ever predicted that Sweden would be headed for majority non white status by 2100.

  115. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief
    The superflouesness of physical labor has been forecasted since ages. It will not happen.

    No.

    It *has* happened.

    Just look at the unemployment rates of workers designated as ‘unskilled’ across most western nations.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    I did not write about unskilled labor, I wrote about physical labor.

    What unskilled labor is concerend - it's recling, but it is far from vanishing, too.

    But - I get what you're talking about too - there is indeed already a lower class in many western countries, nobody needs anymore.

    - Right now, they're on welfare and - opioids, often times, and that's maybe not enough, or not quite right, or - - what?!

    It's scary, too - or: Even? Even - scary?
  116. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @the Supreme Gentleman

    This hard-headed realization soon, however, drifted toward outright pacifism.
     
    Have you read Pat Buchanan's book "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War"? He argues that the British security guarantee to Poland was a huge blunder, and that, since Hitler had no interest in going to war with anyone west of the Rhine, the British and French should have just let him fight the war he really wanted to fight against the USSR.

    Yep.

    Give a Hitler a free hand.

    How wonderful.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Yep.

    Better that millions die than that one antisemite be suffered to live.

    Very clever.
  117. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    Holy moly I found a great one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdZZHFne4Q

    Germany based Nigerian activist, Rex Osa of the Voice Refugee Forum shed light on the harsh treatment Nigerian refugees and asylum seekers face in Germany and the little help the Nigerian Embassy in Germany provides. "Deportation we know is the culture in Germany," explained Osa. He described the deplorable living conditions of refugees in Germany and the restrictions put on those with the status. "As a refugee in Germany you are not allowed to go outside your district. If you are by chance caught outside you are penalized," said Osa, who accused the Nigerian Embassy in Germany of being involved in a "deportation scheme."
     
    Why would people claiming asylum from Nigeria expect help from the government they are ostensibly fleeing?

    Also would the restrictions and lack of respect for a Nigerian passport have anything to do with all the rampant asylum fraud? Because the numbers alone would indicate that it is fraud even if it wasn't so well documented how many Nigerian asylum seekers are denied.

    Also what benefit does the Nigerian embassy in Germany have in engaging in a 'deportation scheme'? Are they also not obliged to help repatriate their nationals?

    These people don't see what they're doing as abnormal at this stage, they think of it as normal immigration and get annoyed when they can't just show up in Germany and get access to it's labour market and welfare whilst abusing a system set up to help legitimate asylum seekers.

    They have no intrinsic sense of shame, or neither a sense of ‘right and wrong’ – which is obvious by their actions.
    Indeed their bumrushing of Europe is a pure act of naked aggression.

    The sad fact is that this is a terrible indictment of the characters of those who seek to become the dominant European population. If they are pathologically dishonest in this, purely administrative instance – just imagine how dishonest they will be in every other area of life?

    Also, note, how the Left and The Economist are totally blind to this aggression and dishonesty, to the extent of amplifying it themselves.

  118. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    There are 500 million people in the EU. 5 to 10 million are black. With only 250k arriving annually, blacks as a percentage of the EU won't change much. This whole post was paranoid alarmism even hinting at the start of WW3 and invoking Hitler.

    Nonsense.

    Consider the situation in microcosm in either France or England.
    Fifty years ago, people like you assured the French and English that third world immigrants were only a ‘tiny’ proportion of the population, and ‘nothing to worry about’.

    It’s certain that both France and England will be majority third world origin nations sometime this century.

  119. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @MG
    Speaking of unintended consequences, who enabled China’s rise? The same Masters of the Universe lecturing us today.

    Yep.

    Their old mantra was ‘a market of a billion people’.

  120. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    How many Africans are now in Argentina 10 years later? It doesn't seem like the beachhead has expanded.

    Same will go for Poland and Hungry. They can accept thousands of migrants this year based on Germany's allocation scheme, and it won't matter in the long run because those economies like Argentina are not in good shape and aren't getting better.

    2017
    Hungary 13,459 ($ per capita)
    Poland 13,429

    2008
    Hungary 15,659
    Poland 13,910

    Considering that to most sub Saharan Africans a dollar a day is a damned good wage, Poland and Hungary must seem like millionaires’ playgrounds.

  121. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    yes, more low-IQ people will require more social workers etc. Is that your point? Who is going to pay the social workers?
     
    With a big welfare state, the tax base is coerced into paying for lavish social services. With a more free market system, only people who want social services and social workers pay for them.

    The open borders economists advocate that a shock of racial diversity will undermine national solidarity and undermine public support for the welfare state and enable free market reforms. They are probably exactly right. Your comments seem to back that up. I oppose open borders strongly btw, but I agree it will undermine support for the welfare state.

    If these people want the Welfare State to go, they should be honest and brave enough to publicly state it, and to advocate that position politically, so that the public gets a chance to vote for it.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    If these people want the Welfare State to go, they should be honest and brave enough to publicly state it, and to advocate that position politically, so that the public gets a chance to vote for it.
     
    Oh, they do...

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2011/09/ethnic_diversit.html:

    One of my arguments is that immigration increases diversity, which undermines solidarity, which mutes public support for the welfare state. A well-known 2001 paper by Alesina, Glaeser, and Sacerdote (henceforth AGS) presents evidence that, on net, racial fragmentation makes the welfare state smaller.
     
    That crowd also clearly argues against democracy. They argue that voters shouldn't have the right to vote to restrict immigration and advocate tactics to subvert voter opinion.

    Their view is rather extreme. They are literally advocating blowing up democracy or something very close.
  122. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    No. More low-skilled, low IQ people will have less capital to work with and less productivity potential will be a massive net drain on society.
     
    So, this is takers vs makers. Where takers want to consume more in benefits than they produce. And FYI, there are high IQ takers and low IQ makers. Some roofers or plumbers, for example, might be low IQ, but they create genuine value and pay in more than they take out.

    This is an argument against the welfare state. And the open borders advocate correctly note that large immigration shocks will undermine public support for the welfare state. I generally agree. But I still oppose large immigration for all the other risks.

    Totally and completely wrong.

    The immigrants will absolutely vote for Left welfare state supporting parties.

    What you will see will be entrenched hard left, Marxist, redistributionist governments.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    Totally and completely wrong.

    The immigrants will absolutely vote for Left welfare state supporting parties.

    What you will see will be entrenched hard left, Marxist, redistributionist governments.
     
    Many immigrants absolutely would and do vote for "hard left, Marxist, redistributionist governments". I'm not stupid. California is an example. Large immigration triggered a hard-left political shift for the worse that is inflicted on all the residents. South Africa is a more extreme and complex scenario.

    Read what the open border advocates at openborders.info wrote

    Certain American ideals would die of their own increasing impracticality, e.g., “equality of opportunity,” the social safety net, one person, one vote, or non-discrimination in employment. Americans might continue to feel that these ideals were right long after they had ceased to be practiced,
     
    They absolutely predict and hope for an end to majority rule democracy. I half agree with them.
  123. @Whiskey
    Self Driving cars are decades away if that. There is just not enough local computing power (network latency = rain fade = running over some sympathetic pedestrian = big lawsuits) in cars to accomplish it, and the sensors themselves are lousy. Human beings are surprisingly good at interpolating data to figure out what's in the fog, rain, dust obscuring the road.

    That being said, yes automation will put lots of people out of work. Lets not import lots of low cost low skill labor, or any other competitors to the working man. Unpopular I know, but there it is. [Yes, it IS unpopular. Blue Haired feminists, gender queer activists, media people, SJW cat ladies, most of the White female population, and all the upper class managerial set HATE the idea of the average working man enjoying anything near prosperity. And yes they do HATE HATE HATE it.]

    Thus mass Third World immigration will NEVER EVER STOP. Not now. NOT EVER. That battle was lost, a long time ago, and Trump rolling over like the giant cuck he is for the surrender in the rail car ala Petain is just the icing on the cake.

    The important thing is White IDENTITY. That means backing the White man around you legally and socially because he's a White man. It means firearms ownership even wider and deeper, and combat training for all White men. REALITY: We live in the Wild West Frontier. Its just that the Cavalry comes to the aid of the Indians during a massacre of the settlers.

    The Government is and always will be the enemy of the White man being run for and by the natural and eternal enemy of the ordinary White beta male -- the Upper Class White woman. Think Susan Wojicki (I know [[[Poles!]]] -- EVERY.Single.TIME! ) Stop treating the government as anything other than Petainist collaborators.

    In less than ten years most or all White nations now will be minority White. And the African/Muslim conquerors will demand things out of you deplorables: that you work like devils to support them and their women (which will be your women now) and their kids. Imagine not Kamala Harris as President but Julius Malema of South Africa as President. For now, he's calling on all White people to turn over ALL of their property, but not (for now) mass slaughter of Whites. For now.

    That is the future. You either put the boot in or someone else puts the boot into you. There is no possibility of stopping the African Tidal Wave anywhere save China and Japan which properly oppress their women so they don't have a fifth column intent on replacing their men with more macho, lower iq versions as low rent Kardashian Rapper conquerors. So the proper course is to prepare for the present and future. Los Angeles might as well be the frontier of Wyoming or Texas in 1850. Save the Cavalry, once again, on the side of the outlaws, renegades, and Indians and always riding to their rescue.

    In the late 1990s juries in part of the deep South awarded civil judgements in tort suits over the diet drug known as fen phen HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in damages PER LAWSUIT….the dirty redneck trial lawyers even created a term for this….”jackpot justice”:

    https://www.mslitigationreview.com/2014/05/articles/politics-in-mississippi/mississippi-tort-reform-10-years-later/

    http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2008/04/fenphen_lawyers_awarded_414_mi.html

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1026083065483571680

    https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/oct/4/20031004-123030-2013r/

    I was told my aunt got her SSDI disability status by her attorney slipping the judge an envelope if you know what I mean…..and all the crooked good old boys do that….

    Now wait til these loaded to the teeth with money silicon valley tech companies crash their self driving big rigs or cabs and kill people in rural Alabama or Kentucky and the trial lawyers slip their wife’s cousin the judge an envelope with 20k and he awards Bubba and his clients$350 million….now multiply that by 500 suits and judgements of that magnitude per month across dirt poor municipalities strapped for cash and of course the lawyers spread the cash around to friends and family etc….

    I agree, legal liability issues will bankrupt these firms long before they get on their two feet….look at the homeless lady who died in Arizona the other day….. because Uber malfunctioned or whatever

  124. @Seth Largo
    What are Tanzania and Kenya doing right?

    They aren’t conducting the survey, that’s what they’re doing right.

  125. @Thomm
    The only possible solution here is if some CRISPR-type genetic editor can edit IQ up by 30 points per patient.

    Normal whites will go from 105 to 135.
    Blacks will go from 85 to 115.
    WNs will go from 70 to 100.

    Blacks are still lower than whites, but at least at a good absolute level. WNs will be less of a fly in the white ointment despite the same relative delta.

    That is the only scenario I can see for managing this torrent of Africans.

    Lol, the high-achieving white leaves out Asians and Jews, but worse, doesn’t understand genetics. Perhaps your role in the brave new world will be less prominent than you thought.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    Lol, the high-achieving white leaves out Asians and Jews, but worse, doesn’t understand genetics. Perhaps your role in the brave new world will be less prominent than you thought
     
    .

    The intent of the list was obviously not to list every single group, especially smaller groups. That would have been obvious to most people (but not to you, apparently).

    Get a clue..
  126. @the Supreme Gentleman

    This hard-headed realization soon, however, drifted toward outright pacifism.
     
    Have you read Pat Buchanan's book "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War"? He argues that the British security guarantee to Poland was a huge blunder, and that, since Hitler had no interest in going to war with anyone west of the Rhine, the British and French should have just let him fight the war he really wanted to fight against the USSR.

    Yes, and I haven’t been able to dismiss Buchanan’s argument from my mind ever since. It is the only mainstream counter to the conventional WWII myths.

    Of course it was hysterically denounced by the usual suspects, even though Buchanan took pains to point out that the Holocaust got murderous only after the Western powers declared war on Germany and closed off emigration routes. But for the critics, I guess it is better for millions to die than to suffer an antisemite to live.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    Well. I personally exists thanks to Churchill.

    This happy Austrian anti-semite planned extermination of lesser races of Eastern Europe.

    Well, who cares for millions of dead white people, right?
  127. @anony-mouse
    I am getting increasingly upset with the high levels of anti-Gentilism here.

    Up to a billion 100% genuine Gentiles may be moving to Europe to improve their lives. Furthernore such a movement will raise the Gentile percentage in Europe to levels not seen in two millenia.

    And what is the reaction here? Complete hostility.

    It's a good thing that anti-Gentilism isn't a much used word.

    “Up to a billion 100% genuine Gentiles may be moving to Europe to improve their lives.”

    I assume you are trolling, but just in case you actually believe what you write…

    If you mean “Gentile” as a synonym fo “Christian”, recall that Africa is heavily colonized by Islam, and most of the Christianity is only nominal, so not particularly “genuine”.

    If you mean “Gentile” only as “non-Jewish”, Europe is already overwhelmingly non-Jewish, so millions of extra non-Jews aren’t going to change the picture for Jews much, except by making the place much less livable.

  128. @Lagertha

    The great mystery of WWII is why the British did choose to ally with Stalin against Hitler.

     

    Three things come to mind: 1. Hitler rejected the Central Banks which still control the economic power in the EU - call the shots, today.

    Ironically, Putin, as soon as he reached power, followed suit 70+years later...by kicking out those, often, same big central bankers, the oligarchs from abroad, carpet baggers of the early 90's, from Russia. What most people don't understand is: he is an old-school nationalist, a Russian patriot, a man who loves his country, its roots, history and traditions. My ancestors fought the Communist Russians bitterly, but Russia is way different than 75 years ago. Russia wants autonomy from the bs of globalism and future serfdom (which is only good for the top .1%) which most countries' people are now just realizing is a threat. Russians probably understood serfdom better than any other country in Europe. I mean, there were never any Russian explorers going towards the New World.

    2. It was well known that the motherload of oil and natural gas was/is under the Siberian steppes. And, Europe can't dick around with Putin (these days) unless he decides to turn off the gas lines. EU is stuck with getting along with Russia whether it likes it or not.

    3. Germany has always been regarded as a "war-like" people, by other European nations; ergo, Germany was a threat because they are efficient and fearless, with an immense respect for dogmatism..

    I mean, there were never any Russian explorers going towards the New World.

    Kotzebue?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    I mean, there were never any Russian explorers going towards the New World.
     
    Kotzebue?
     
    Kotzebue was an ethnic German, and Vitus Bering a Dane. So, ethnically speaking, she may be right.
  129. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    We cannot get out. The shadow moves in the dark. We cannot get out. They are coming.
     
    Even though the Dwarves didn't, almost all the Fellowship did.

    “almost all the Fellowship did.”

    Minus their Christ-figure, Gandalf.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Minus their Christ-figure, Gandalf.
     
    Never underestimate the power of resurrecting the dead.
  130. @BB753
    Most Africans I've met have no intention of ever going back, not even on vacation. The very idea of returning to Africa fills them with terror. Africans hate Africa.

    I used to work for an organization that sponsored temporary work visas for foreigners in the US. The likelihood of the visa holder overstaying was directly proportional to how much of a sh!thole their native country was. For the Africans we sponsored, 0% returned to their homeland. They are all still here.

    This is not to say that I didn’t like and get along with most of them. I did. I just have no illusion about the wedge that they represent the thin edge of.

    BTW, if the Dept. of Homeland Security were on the ball, they would stop giving visas to organizations that don’t repatriate the expiring visa holders they already have. I could never understand how we kept getting more visas when so many of our previous visa issuees were overstaying. The organization would have certainly have policed their visa issuees better if future visas depended on it. But the visas didn’t depend on it, so the organization didn’t bother about them.

    This doesn’t require a legislative change, just for the Executive branch to take its job seriously.

  131. @Nick Diaz
    What the frack has opposing the Nazism got to do with immigration policy? In fact, you have shot yourself in the proverbial foot with this comparison, because the open borders ideas that the elite supports are the polar opposite of what Hitler believed in, and supporting those ideas would have stopped both fascism and it's racialist German incarnation, Nazism, dead. So nice going Sailer. Congratulations on making an argument that actually makes your position worse. You are pretty good at doing this, I will give you that.

    “…the open borders ideas that the elite supports are the polar opposite of what Hitler believed in, and supporting those ideas would have stopped both fascism and it’s racialist German incarnation, Nazism, dead.”

    I’m a little curious how open borders ideas could have stopped Nazism. In reality, Nazism was stopped by nationalism; the individual nationalisms of each threatened nation. Russians fought for ‘Mother Russia.’ Brits fought for King and Country. Americans fought for Uncle Sam. French fought for France, Poles for Poland, etc. They were all fighting against a threat to their own national identity. No one fighting the Nazis was fighting for open borders and the erasure of their nations. If they thought that’s what they were fighting for they would have thrown down their weapons and gone home.

    The international fascism that our modern elite supports would have left the world weaponless against the Nazis.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  132. @Massimo Heitor

    low-skilled jobs are disappearing; these migrants know that, so I can only surmise that they covet European/US social welfare programs. I don’t blame them for wanting to leave Africa. But our boat is full.
     
    Horrible argument... Jobs aren't disappearing. More people means more work to do. More economies of scale. On a strict free market basis, I support freedom of migration. Freedom of migration conflicts with the premise of democracy and self-rule and devolution of power, which is why I oppose it for now.

    Do you ever use the term “diseconomy of scale?” You should start.

  133. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    The biggest unintended consequence of smart phones, social media & mass internet access:
    Turbo-charging the draw of migrants to the docile Libtard West & facilitating their easy passage.
    Dudes, we are in deep doodoo. Walls & marine patrols will be the bare minimum we need. More like we'll have to barricade the southern borders of Tunisia, Libya, Algeria & then some..

    A quarter century ago, I worked for a contractor that, among other things, laid undersea telecommunications cable. Thanks to technical advances, at that time, the parts of the world that could afford undersea cable had all the cabling they wanted. But the contractor was a big company and didn’t want to stop laying cable just because of a little thing like no one paying for it anymore. So they looked at at a global map and noticed that there were no cables around Africa. The reason was pretty obvious: Africans were poor and no one wanted to communicate with them, at least no one who can afford the nine+ figure price tag of new cabling.

    Undaunted (and facing a market slump), the corporate execs put together a proposal for one of the biggest cabling projects in history: a massive undersea cable encircling Africa with landings at every significant city, making all of coastal Africa, and eventually the interior, accessible to the global telecommunications network. (It had to be undersea, because overland cables would be subject to too much vibrancy and shrinkage. Also, Africans are even less interested in talking to other Africans than they are in talking to the First World. This was not part of the official pitch, for some reason.) Of course, Africans didn’t care much about this stupid white man’s project either, certainly not enough to chip in any money for it, so the execs pitched it to Western governments and aid organizations (i.e., unelected government organizations). Or, in other words, they knew Africans wouldn’t pay for it, so they decided you could instead. I’m sure you know the rhetoric: “It may look like lost money now, but imagine the possibilities once telecommunication become cheap and widespread!’ “African Einsteins”, etc.

    Ultimately, that particular project was a little too ambitious for the globalists of those days.
    Nevertheless the same result did get built piecemeal in several other projects, partly financed the same way (i.e., by you). No African Einsteins are on the horizon yet, but the sciences of border-jumping and asylum-scamming are mushrooming and crowd-sourced, so there’s that.

    Besides my deep misgivings about the costs and consequences of the project, it was for me also an early inkling that a free market does not equal a rational market, and that an open market is subject to perverse manipulation and influence. So paradoxically, one can only have free and open markets if they are implacably guarded and policed. Hence libertarianism can only destroy itself.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    Projects paid via state influence and confiscation are not free market. Classically, your tale is one of state failure, not market failure. Yet libertarianism gets another kick. Ouch!
    , @Mishra
    Great post. Just to let you know I came along at this later date and appreciated it.
    , @Anonymous

    Nevertheless the same result did get built piecemeal in several other projects, partly financed the same way (i.e., by you)
     
    A quick look at the recent undersea cable projects around Africa seems to show that they were largely financed by South African telecom companies, with some mid-eastern and Chinese investment.

    And undersea cables are that way, for more reasons than possible theft.

  134. @DB Cooper
    Kenya's economy is booming, one of the fastest growing economy in Sub-Sahara. According to the world bank it registered 5.8% growth in 2016. Last year it inaugurated the largest infrastructure project in the country's history since its independence and one of the largest in East Africa in as many years, the standard gauge railway from Mombasa to Nairobi. This news was pretty much censored in the West MSM. When the railway was officially opened last summer, I made it a point to check on the coverage in all the major news media such as WSJ, NYT, Guardian..etc. and none of them carry it, even though these newspapers has a dedicated Africa section! Here is a three part series of censored China's propaganda if you are interested.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Z0eYHWFCI&t=5s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9_m20MCuGw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ot_Arr_oMo

    This bespeaks a possible solution. We can take all the money we currently spend on immigrants and other boondoggles here and make their countries better there. That might happen, as even our cocooned elites find that mass immigration makes their desired living standards impossible.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    It strikes me that a source of this funding could be the elites themselves, who already have more money than they know what to do with and are just parking it in government bonds. How long are we going to keep up this delusion of sovereignty for s***hole countries? Haiti will never be capable of self-governance--sell it to the Gates family. They can buy Guyana and Jamaica too.

    The process will be autocratic and at times ruthless, even cruel. But the more I think about this the more I think it will eventually happen. The trendline is ticking toward executive control and the withering and eventual disappearance of the democratic nation-state.
  135. @Anonymous
    Yep.

    Give a Hitler a free hand.

    How wonderful.

    Yep.

    Better that millions die than that one antisemite be suffered to live.

    Very clever.

  136. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    O.T.

    The blatantly, explicitly and unabashedly anti-Trump BBC TV News lead their reports today with the tale of one ‘Stormy Daniels’ claiming to have had an affair with Donald Trump, and of Trump cronies threatening her kids.

    The BBC referred to Stormy Daniels as an ‘actor’, would you believe throughout the report. Yes, children were likely watching the bulletin, but calling someone of Stormy Daniels’ ilk an ‘actor’ is straining credulity (no pun) to the limit. She makes a living by being hired to perform sexual acts with hired studs in public – and by selling the recorded film thereof. The politest word you could possibly call her is a ‘performer’.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Shouldn't that be "actress ", not actor?
  137. @Tyrion 2
    Name one society that lasted even just a generation and was governed according to the type of explicit white racial nationalism which you describe.

    New things are always possible but reaslism is dealing with people as they are not as you want them to be.

    “Name one society that lasted even just a generation and was governed according to the type of explicit [white] racial nationalism which you describe.”

    All of Asia, Europe and the New World from the beginning of history until about a generation ago.

  138. @The Anti-Gnostic
    This bespeaks a possible solution. We can take all the money we currently spend on immigrants and other boondoggles here and make their countries better there. That might happen, as even our cocooned elites find that mass immigration makes their desired living standards impossible.

    It strikes me that a source of this funding could be the elites themselves, who already have more money than they know what to do with and are just parking it in government bonds. How long are we going to keep up this delusion of sovereignty for s***hole countries? Haiti will never be capable of self-governance–sell it to the Gates family. They can buy Guyana and Jamaica too.

    The process will be autocratic and at times ruthless, even cruel. But the more I think about this the more I think it will eventually happen. The trendline is ticking toward executive control and the withering and eventual disappearance of the democratic nation-state.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "How long are we going to keep up this delusion of sovereignty for s***hole countries?"

    So long as individuals believe they have the right to self-govern themselves.

    "Haiti will never be capable of self-governance–sell it to the Gates family."

    It's not a matter of capability, it's a matter of European instilled values on the ruling classes for gimmedats. Their predecessors taught them well. There have been 45 leaders since the country achieved independence from France in 1804, and for the most part they have pillaged and plundered, ruled as despots, stifled opposition, violated human rights and operated with impunity.

    "The process will be autocratic and at times ruthless, even cruel. But the more I think about this the more I think it will eventually happen."

    Maybe, but probably not.

    "The trendline is ticking toward executive control and the withering and eventual disappearance of the democratic nation-state."

    Extremely doubtful.

  139. @Almost Missouri
    A quarter century ago, I worked for a contractor that, among other things, laid undersea telecommunications cable. Thanks to technical advances, at that time, the parts of the world that could afford undersea cable had all the cabling they wanted. But the contractor was a big company and didn't want to stop laying cable just because of a little thing like no one paying for it anymore. So they looked at at a global map and noticed that there were no cables around Africa. The reason was pretty obvious: Africans were poor and no one wanted to communicate with them, at least no one who can afford the nine+ figure price tag of new cabling.

    Undaunted (and facing a market slump), the corporate execs put together a proposal for one of the biggest cabling projects in history: a massive undersea cable encircling Africa with landings at every significant city, making all of coastal Africa, and eventually the interior, accessible to the global telecommunications network. (It had to be undersea, because overland cables would be subject to too much vibrancy and shrinkage. Also, Africans are even less interested in talking to other Africans than they are in talking to the First World. This was not part of the official pitch, for some reason.) Of course, Africans didn't care much about this stupid white man's project either, certainly not enough to chip in any money for it, so the execs pitched it to Western governments and aid organizations (i.e., unelected government organizations). Or, in other words, they knew Africans wouldn't pay for it, so they decided you could instead. I'm sure you know the rhetoric: "It may look like lost money now, but imagine the possibilities once telecommunication become cheap and widespread!' "African Einsteins", etc.

    Ultimately, that particular project was a little too ambitious for the globalists of those days.
    Nevertheless the same result did get built piecemeal in several other projects, partly financed the same way (i.e., by you). No African Einsteins are on the horizon yet, but the sciences of border-jumping and asylum-scamming are mushrooming and crowd-sourced, so there's that.

    Besides my deep misgivings about the costs and consequences of the project, it was for me also an early inkling that a free market does not equal a rational market, and that an open market is subject to perverse manipulation and influence. So paradoxically, one can only have free and open markets if they are implacably guarded and policed. Hence libertarianism can only destroy itself.

    Projects paid via state influence and confiscation are not free market. Classically, your tale is one of state failure, not market failure. Yet libertarianism gets another kick. Ouch!

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I concede your point. The last paragraph was overstated and unnecessary.
  140. @Altai
    Holy moly I found a great one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdZZHFne4Q

    Germany based Nigerian activist, Rex Osa of the Voice Refugee Forum shed light on the harsh treatment Nigerian refugees and asylum seekers face in Germany and the little help the Nigerian Embassy in Germany provides. "Deportation we know is the culture in Germany," explained Osa. He described the deplorable living conditions of refugees in Germany and the restrictions put on those with the status. "As a refugee in Germany you are not allowed to go outside your district. If you are by chance caught outside you are penalized," said Osa, who accused the Nigerian Embassy in Germany of being involved in a "deportation scheme."
     
    Why would people claiming asylum from Nigeria expect help from the government they are ostensibly fleeing?

    Also would the restrictions and lack of respect for a Nigerian passport have anything to do with all the rampant asylum fraud? Because the numbers alone would indicate that it is fraud even if it wasn't so well documented how many Nigerian asylum seekers are denied.

    Also what benefit does the Nigerian embassy in Germany have in engaging in a 'deportation scheme'? Are they also not obliged to help repatriate their nationals?

    These people don't see what they're doing as abnormal at this stage, they think of it as normal immigration and get annoyed when they can't just show up in Germany and get access to it's labour market and welfare whilst abusing a system set up to help legitimate asylum seekers.

    “Are [embassies] also not obliged to help repatriate their nationals?”

    You probably know this, but mass migration is the method by which “sh!thole” countries export their surplus population and even reap foreign remittances from them. So no, “sh!thole” embassies do not at all want to repatriate their nationals. That would be contrary to their own national interest which was to send them here in the first place.

    Worse, powerful actors and surprising portions of the first world populace want this foreign invasion too and resent foreign nationals being repatriated.

    Your attachment to the traditional purpose and duties of foreign embassies is touching, but it is sadly obsolete in The Current Year. They are here to invade. You are here to accept. All else is Racism.

  141. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry A
    Someone should tell them that there are lots of opportunities for Black African farmers in South Africa.

    South Africa has had Nigerians since the 90s. They have a reputation for controlling the drug and prostitution trade. The movie “Jerusalema” has some Nigerian drug dealers who meet sticky end, if I remember correctly. There have been black anti-foreigner riots (“xenophobia”) in South Africa for years, with real and imaginary refugees targeted.

    District 9 was loosely based on black South African “xenophobia”.

    As for the white farmers, back in the day, they’d have saddled up and hunted down the killers.. But they’ve softened up a lot, and are paying the price. Mbeki ended the Kommandos, but the last decade has so weakened the government that they could easily be re-formed if the farmers had the will to protect themselves, with the government unable to stop them-or even reluctantly supporting them. Instead, the Boer are being emasculated and turned into victims.

  142. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Geez Steve, thought we were pals and here you go posting this while I was asleep.

    Anyways, to the matter at hand.

    Per the source, there are a grand total of 670k Nigerians in Europe and America. Let's throw caution to the air and assume that 2m are illegals--an absurdity-- that's still less than 3m, How then is it possible for 31% to have regular contact with relatives in those countries? That would imply that there nearly 56m Nigerians have relations in Europe and America. How exactly do those numbers square?

    I'm sure more than 50% of people want to be billionaires or have sex with models, it'd be dumb to take it seriously though.

    Anyways, I'm one of the 26%, the less flakes we have, the easier to nation-build.

    Please throw open your borders to them. I'm grateful to be rid of them.

    “Please throw open your borders to them. I’m grateful to be rid of them.”

    Thank you for proving my previous comment.

    “How then is it possible for 31% to have regular contact with relatives in those countries?”

    Extended families. But I’m sure you knew this.

    I do agree about Steve sneakily posting stuff while we’re asleep.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    It said "Regular contact" though, which I presume to include requests for money and actual remittance.

    No Nigerian I know is that generous. The numbers don't add up IMO.
  143. @Tyrion 2
    Name one society that lasted even just a generation and was governed according to the type of explicit white racial nationalism which you describe.

    New things are always possible but reaslism is dealing with people as they are not as you want them to be.

    Back at you: name one society that has survived without explicitly defending the cultural and territorial integrity of its racial-ethnic redoubt.

    Jewish nationalism seems to have worked out pretty well for Israel. Han nationalism works out well for China, and the Koreans, Japanese and others have no intention whatsoever of assimilating into the Chinese Borg. Even landlocked, surrounded Mongolia is still Mongolia. Bhutan is a garden, for the Bhutanese. Syria, despite the best efforts of the US and Arab monarchies, and with some outside help from Russia and Hezbollah, seems determined to be an integral sovereign in its own right. It took them centuries, but the Spaniards eventually got Spain back and didn’t become Moors. The Amish are determinedly Amish, and they don’t even have guns. Do you need any other examples?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    And American nationalism worked out well for America. My point was that anything based explicitly off skin colour isn't going to fly. Both you and the other commenter essentially concede this fact by doing the opposite of answering my question.

    Peoplehood based solely off racial purity is creepy and too inflexible.
    , @Corvinus
    "Back at you: name one society that has survived without explicitly defending the cultural and territorial integrity of its racial-ethnic redoubt."

    Certainly there is validity in your statement. But you assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic. "Europeans" came to North America, conquered and settled. But they were other than united in the beginning by common ideologies. Europeans had their own "redoubts", ethnically and/or culturally, in the Thirteen States. Remember, the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs, the Poles--ALL had been considered at various points in time of unworthy of assimilation and citizenship. HOWEVER, they gradually blended into a new group--Americans--as they immersed themselves into building their political and economic institutions. And, accordingly, the Founding Fathers left open the door for future generations of Americans to weave other groups of people into the American fabric--European and non-European.

    The notion of "whites" or "European-whites" being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800's--the distinction that separated "us" from "them". In this manner, the "lowest-rung" whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their "pecking order" within the European hierarchy.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    One of the first and most important thinkers of the nineteenth century to elaborate this view of society was Joseph-Arthur de Gobineau, who began publishing his L'essai sur l'inegalité des races humaines (Essay on the inequality of the human races) in 1853. Gobineau's history presented human development for the first time as a contest of races. His book was heavily researched in an attempt to draw together the most upto-date scholarship of the new realms of science, especially German archaeology and philology and French anthropology. He concluded that contemporary nations were the patrimony of a racial past defined by the conquest of weaker races by stronger ones. He posited three great races, the white, the black, and the yellow, that engaged in constant battle. For Gobineau, the victor and true driving force of human history was the white, or European, race. Yet, this victory came always at a price. Lesser races never disappeared. Instead, they mixed into the conquering races, leaving a weaker whole. The mixture, in fact, elevated lower races, in which he included the yellow and the black and their lingering influence among European peasantry and urban working classes, while the white race was degraded.

    ...

    Georges Vacher de Lapouge, in his study of European skulls in 1888, saw three European races and ordered their quality and value: European Man, Alpine Man, and Homo Contractus. He argued that none of these races directly correlated with a specific nation, but his descriptions of their behaviors and religious ideas were clearly meant to correspond to Germany, Southern Europe, and the population of European Jews. The naturalized German citizen Houston Stewart Chamberlain wrote in 1899 that the German race struggled to maintain its purity because of the Darwinian form of natural selection that caused Germans to feel a revulsion toward intermixing with lesser races. Overall, this putative science of race uncoupled nationalism from its liberal roots, implying that those who lived within a national community did not necessarily belong. One could act, speak, or feel German or French but never be German or French.

    ...

    In newly unified Italy, northern Italians in Lombardy saw the threat of southern peoples, the Sicilians or Neapolitans, as racially enervating. They were thought to be different because of their hot-blooded, less rational characters—elements believed to emanate from their hotter climate and their proximity to Africa. Similar ideas existed in Spain toward those from the south, in particular Andalusia. In northern Spain, notions of racial purity became important adjuncts of the Basque nationalist movement that sprang up in the late nineteenth century. The presence of foreign guest workers, or maketos, from other parts of Spain, was perceived as a threat to Basque purity. Sabino Arana, an early founder of Basque nationalism, proposed miscegenation laws in 1901 to prohibit the marriage of Basques to Spaniards.

    ...

    Imperialism helped solidify a view of the world as a hierarchy of races with Europeans at the zenith and all others arrayed below. One ugly symbol of this worldview was the "human zoo" that appeared throughout fin de siècle Europe in international fairs and other public spectacles. This kind of menagerie, replete with dioramic portrayals of humans living in their "typical" habitat, produced wide-eyed amazement among Europeans of the late nineteenth century and established racial hierarchy not just as an elite, scientific view of history but also as a popular one. By the 1880s and 1890s, race existed as a concrete idea recognizable to any European. Race became an essential element of national strength—and required defense and protection.
  144. @Almost Missouri

    "Please throw open your borders to them. I’m grateful to be rid of them."
     
    Thank you for proving my previous comment.

    "How then is it possible for 31% to have regular contact with relatives in those countries?"
     
    Extended families. But I'm sure you knew this.

    I do agree about Steve sneakily posting stuff while we're asleep.

    It said “Regular contact” though, which I presume to include requests for money and actual remittance.

    No Nigerian I know is that generous. The numbers don’t add up IMO.

  145. @Thomm
    Why would you defend them? They hate you.

    Plus, one anecdote does not change the broader average.

    Plus, their comprehensive loserdom extends far beyond IQ.

    Why would you defend them? They hate you.

    Why would this crowd hate Yan Shen? I’ve never heard of her until now. Skimming her comments she seems like a great person that I would really like.

    If you are implying that this crowd hate non-whites… That is mostly absurd. So, this is a comment section that attracts angry pissed off white people, but I suspect most people are more reasonable. My wife is black, btw.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    If you are implying that this crowd hate non-whites… That is mostly absurd. So, this is a comment section that attracts angry pissed off white people, but I suspect most people are more reasonable. My wife is black, btw.
     
    You are quite different from the others. You appear to be new here.

    You'll see. If you point out that your wife is black, you will get a lot of hate over time.

    BTW, I am a white guy who favors skilled immigration (which of course is mostly Asian), but opposes unskilled (and certainly illegal) immigration.
  146. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Africans hate Africa
     
    No one wants to live in a sh!thole.

    The problem is that shitholes are usually man-made.
    So, shitholers turn any place they go to into another shithole, sooner or later.

  147. @Anonymous
    Totally and completely wrong.

    The immigrants will absolutely vote for Left welfare state supporting parties.

    What you will see will be entrenched hard left, Marxist, redistributionist governments.

    Totally and completely wrong.

    The immigrants will absolutely vote for Left welfare state supporting parties.

    What you will see will be entrenched hard left, Marxist, redistributionist governments.

    Many immigrants absolutely would and do vote for “hard left, Marxist, redistributionist governments”. I’m not stupid. California is an example. Large immigration triggered a hard-left political shift for the worse that is inflicted on all the residents. South Africa is a more extreme and complex scenario.

    Read what the open border advocates at openborders.info wrote

    Certain American ideals would die of their own increasing impracticality, e.g., “equality of opportunity,” the social safety net, one person, one vote, or non-discrimination in employment. Americans might continue to feel that these ideals were right long after they had ceased to be practiced,

    They absolutely predict and hope for an end to majority rule democracy. I half agree with them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That 'open borders.info' is pure bullshit.

    Putting the necessary trashing of democracy to one side, no nation can be governed for any appreciable period of time unless it has if not the tacit consent, the general respect and confidence of the people of that nation.
    Even the biggest and worst tyrants in history were aware of that fact.

    Now, if the majority of a nation's population realise that the governance of the nation is purely a conspiracy against them, an attempt to keep them down as a class of hopeless helots to be scammed whilst an elite, deliberately set up against them, scams the living bejesus out of them, then that government is surely doomed.

    As I said if these 'open border libertarian' types are so confident in their intellectualizing circle jerk-offs, why can't they just put their policies up for popular vote?

    I don't know how are more stupid - the jerk off 'libertarians' or the fools who take their flatulations seriously.
  148. @slumber_j
    Here in Rome, where I'm most definitely not enjoying what was supposed to be a family vacation that turned into a horrible health crisis for our daughter (currently recovering well as far as we can tell at the Bambino Gesu Pediatric Hospital, thank God), the Africans have over the years become an increasingly obvious addition to the population.

    Most notable around our rented apartment near the Campo de' Fiori are East Africans--specifically Eritreans, who were touchingly overflowing a nearby church this Sunday morning and last. I generally like them and nevertheless don't want them inundating Italy, the rest of Europe, the US, etc. etc.

    In the case of the US, we need to work hard to ensure that the Zeroth Amendment isn't legislated even further into the Statutes of Liberty for everyone on Earth to invade willy-nilly. How we can prevent it I don't know, but we do need to try.

    Good wishes for your daughter’s health.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Thank you very much.
  149. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Self Driving cars are decades away if that. There is just not enough local computing power (network latency = rain fade = running over some sympathetic pedestrian = big lawsuits) in cars to accomplish it, and the sensors themselves are lousy. Human beings are surprisingly good at interpolating data to figure out what's in the fog, rain, dust obscuring the road.

    That being said, yes automation will put lots of people out of work. Lets not import lots of low cost low skill labor, or any other competitors to the working man. Unpopular I know, but there it is. [Yes, it IS unpopular. Blue Haired feminists, gender queer activists, media people, SJW cat ladies, most of the White female population, and all the upper class managerial set HATE the idea of the average working man enjoying anything near prosperity. And yes they do HATE HATE HATE it.]

    Thus mass Third World immigration will NEVER EVER STOP. Not now. NOT EVER. That battle was lost, a long time ago, and Trump rolling over like the giant cuck he is for the surrender in the rail car ala Petain is just the icing on the cake.

    The important thing is White IDENTITY. That means backing the White man around you legally and socially because he's a White man. It means firearms ownership even wider and deeper, and combat training for all White men. REALITY: We live in the Wild West Frontier. Its just that the Cavalry comes to the aid of the Indians during a massacre of the settlers.

    The Government is and always will be the enemy of the White man being run for and by the natural and eternal enemy of the ordinary White beta male -- the Upper Class White woman. Think Susan Wojicki (I know [[[Poles!]]] -- EVERY.Single.TIME! ) Stop treating the government as anything other than Petainist collaborators.

    In less than ten years most or all White nations now will be minority White. And the African/Muslim conquerors will demand things out of you deplorables: that you work like devils to support them and their women (which will be your women now) and their kids. Imagine not Kamala Harris as President but Julius Malema of South Africa as President. For now, he's calling on all White people to turn over ALL of their property, but not (for now) mass slaughter of Whites. For now.

    That is the future. You either put the boot in or someone else puts the boot into you. There is no possibility of stopping the African Tidal Wave anywhere save China and Japan which properly oppress their women so they don't have a fifth column intent on replacing their men with more macho, lower iq versions as low rent Kardashian Rapper conquerors. So the proper course is to prepare for the present and future. Los Angeles might as well be the frontier of Wyoming or Texas in 1850. Save the Cavalry, once again, on the side of the outlaws, renegades, and Indians and always riding to their rescue.

    but Julius Malema of South Africa as President. For now, he’s calling on all White people to turn over ALL of their property, but not (for now) mass slaughter of Whites. For now.

    Too pessimistic.When women (even right-inclined women) start dominating the discourse, it inevitably becomes one of victimhood.

    Julias (original spelling) Malema is being given rope by the white monopoly capital that put Cyril Ramaphosa into power. Zuma had the South African state, with his allies ensconced in the cabinet Security Cluser, behind him, and he was flicked aside. The Zulu didn’t rise up to support Zuma, and he’s about to go on trial. Mad Juju’s downfall won’t be long coming. In the meantime the ZAR has recovered again, and the stock market isn’t doing too badly.

    So the question is: who is going to support an advanced, exceptionally resource-rich economy populated by low-IQ muppets? The Chinese: perhaps, but they lack the natural aggression required to thrive in Africa. Indians? The Gupta brothers have made the natives wary of snake-charmers from the East. “White Monopoly Capital” (wink-wink) ..yeah they’ll pull the strings, but there aren’t a lot of them.

    That leaves one group that’s got the intelligence and strength to get rich in South Africa. There will be some throwing of crumbs at the natives, but that’s the price of doing business.

  150. @Anonymous
    If these people want the Welfare State to go, they should be honest and brave enough to publicly state it, and to advocate that position politically, so that the public gets a chance to vote for it.

    If these people want the Welfare State to go, they should be honest and brave enough to publicly state it, and to advocate that position politically, so that the public gets a chance to vote for it.

    Oh, they do…

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2011/09/ethnic_diversit.html:

    One of my arguments is that immigration increases diversity, which undermines solidarity, which mutes public support for the welfare state. A well-known 2001 paper by Alesina, Glaeser, and Sacerdote (henceforth AGS) presents evidence that, on net, racial fragmentation makes the welfare state smaller.

    That crowd also clearly argues against democracy. They argue that voters shouldn’t have the right to vote to restrict immigration and advocate tactics to subvert voter opinion.

    Their view is rather extreme. They are literally advocating blowing up democracy or something very close.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I am a hard core committed Atheist.
    I eschew dogma, group think, conventionality, consensus and regimentation of thought wherever I find them.
    In short, I 'believe' in next to nothing except my own instincts and experiences.

    *However* there is one precept I *do* believe in - on purely 'moral' grounds, (and 'moral' for me is a relative concept), and that is 'Democracy' - namely that ultimately, the citizens of a nation state have full political supremacy, as mediated by 'one citizen, one vote'.

    On that I will never but never compromise, no matter what the consequences, causes, rationale etc is. In fact, this principle is of higher importance than the nation - and its survival.

    If the electorate want to elect hard left commies, or wet-behind-the-dick 'libertarians' so be it.

    It's our job to *persuade* of the right path.

    The highest virtue of Democracy is that trash governments can be ejected.
    Crap Dictators cannot.
    And why is that tosser Bryan Caplan *so sure* that he is 'better than everyone'?

    For all I know, he could be a god awful combination of Merkel and Nero.
  151. @Anonymous
    Old style white racists regarded Africans as brute beasts to be subjugated. New style white racists regard Africans as helpless children to be coddled. The Chinese regard Africans as friends and equals and seek to neither dominate nor patronise them.

    Equals?

    I do not think that word means what you think it means.

  152. Winds of Shit

    The shit blizzard

  153. @nebulafox
    Do I think Africa is going to be the next China? No, for the same reasons that Vietnam and India are not the new China, or that China was not the new South Korea or Japan or Singapore back in the day. Each part of the world has its own culture and politics and thus will develop-or not develop-according to what happens there. To say that the smarter dictators in Africa are using parts of China's path to development that are adaptable in their own countries is more accurate, on the other hand, but that's not as catchy.

    Africa is gigantic. Somalia is not Rwanda, which is not Angola. It has massive religious (in particular, the Muslim/Christian divide, which is a massive problem in Nigeria right now), cultural, and ethnic differences across different peoples on the continent. Do I think some parts of Africa are going to boom tremendously over the coming century, carrying with it a massive raise in living standards, IQ, and development? Yes. But do I think that other parts of Africa, if current trends continue, are going to degenerate further into unimaginable hellholes that is going to tremendously negatively impact the world? Without question. In particular, the specter of 800 million Nigerians coming out of a country facing massive ethnic and sectarian conflict is going to become a major policy issue in the West, no matter how much our elites wish think African population growth is not a Respectable Topic.

    One other thing to note: I've mentioned that one way China is attacking the problem of single men is exporting them abroad and having them marry foreigners. I occasionally wonder how will impact things with the Africans if the local Chinese (who, like most communities of their type throughout the millenia, from Spanish conquistadors to German Osteidlung settlers, are overwhelmingly male) take African women as wives. This has been seen already with migrants in Russia's Far East, where there is a surplus of females who think-usually quite rationally-that the Chinese men are better husband material, and with Vietnam, which despite its hot-house growth at the moment, is still a poor place with a shared Confucian cultural tradition and plenty of poor village girls who would be satisfied with a "less impoverished" rural lifestyle. Given China's usually quite absorptive culture, it stands a pretty good chance of success in the long run, as the kids will presumably go to school in China, grow up speaking Mandarin, and marry into the gene pool.

    However, this policy has its limits, based largely on individual decisions, no matter what the CPC has in mind to try and uphold social stability by ensuring as many young men get wives as possible: some of the PRC Chinese who've flooded into Vientiane in recent years insist on going back to China to try and get wives rather than marrying Lao women, and they cite the cultural gap as a major reason why. I can only imagine that Africa would be even more extreme. This'll be interesting to see.

    Unz.com-reader are not parrots. We do not repeat lies and buy them ourselves.

    China has a problem with surplus men. No doubt about it.

    BUT the gap is much smaller than people think.

    #1. Despite the one-child-policy nationwide, in rural areas people were allowed to have a second child if the first one was retarded, ill & unlikely able to provide for the parents or the parents were single child themselves.

    #2 In many (rural) communes the families did not report the birth of a child, if it was a girl.

    #3 Local officials were bribed or fixed the birth-statistics to please Beijing.

    #4 Migrant workers/couples had two children. One back in the village with the grandparents and one at the city, where they worked.

    #5 Chinese academics/PhD-students/businessmen & their wives sometimes had a 2nd child abroad before returning to China.

    -> If you read tidbits from local news in China the education-officials were quiet surprised when a dozen out-of-nowwhere girls show up for 1st schoolyear at the local primary-schools. This happens every year allover China.

    #6 Gay men (in the closet) couldn’t unfortunately find a wive. Their parents still hope for the best next year. LOL (Negated by in-the-closet lesbians who are “still looking” for Mr Big.)

    #7 Poor men in developing countries know that no money no honey. They know when they are already horny teens.

    #8 Prostitution & availability of porn.

    #9 China has no hard polygamy. Only soft polygamy for alpha-men, who can pay the bills of having several mistresses.

    -> China’s surplus men-problem is not as big as clueless media tells us. It’s more a geographically problem as young women flock to the cities. The young men, who stay in the village (for whatever reasons) do have a problem finding wives. But urbanisation continues and another 400 million rurals are moving to the growing 3rd tier cities.

    -> Surplus men in China still have a purpose in life. From being a farmer to factory-worker to the office-worker in a booming company.

    -> The single tech-engineer, who came from the village, still had found a new identity. As a new resident in Shenzen. As a Huawei-employee. As tennis-club-member. As a Nvidia-user. As a citizen of the upcoming hegemon. As a frequent traveller to Kiew.

    -> Red-light districts/sex-tourism provide a pressure-valve if horniness gets to hot. You can already find well-dressed foreign women at China most-expensive hotels in 1st tier cities. From African exchange-college-students to Russian “stewardesses” to American models, who are intown for some fashion-shows. If you cannot afford them, well there are still Cambodian waitresses down the roadside motel.

    —-

    If you want to see surplus men: Go to any Arab country. Young men with mediocre/worthless college-degrees with no jobs, no identity, no p****. Citizens of stagnating economies. Societies with sanctioned polygamy. Rigid moral-framework and gender-separation. No cash to pay for the few low-key prostitutes and only a few fat old ugly Western women at the beach. But even those women only take the best smooth-talking, good-looking guys.

    -> While African migrants do harass/rape European women, it’s always the extremly violent acts from Arab refugees/migrants that standout. Not just simple rape but the violent degradation, the subsequent murder of the victim or the victim’s massive injuries due penetration by bottles and other objects. Africans might chase teens & women, but incase of the Arabs it’s everything between 5-year-old girls at the public pool to the 85-old women in the nursing home.

    -> I am convinced that Islamic extremism is partially fueled more by sexual frustation than Isreali success.

  154. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Back at you: name one society that has survived without explicitly defending the cultural and territorial integrity of its racial-ethnic redoubt.

    Jewish nationalism seems to have worked out pretty well for Israel. Han nationalism works out well for China, and the Koreans, Japanese and others have no intention whatsoever of assimilating into the Chinese Borg. Even landlocked, surrounded Mongolia is still Mongolia. Bhutan is a garden, for the Bhutanese. Syria, despite the best efforts of the US and Arab monarchies, and with some outside help from Russia and Hezbollah, seems determined to be an integral sovereign in its own right. It took them centuries, but the Spaniards eventually got Spain back and didn't become Moors. The Amish are determinedly Amish, and they don't even have guns. Do you need any other examples?

    And American nationalism worked out well for America. My point was that anything based explicitly off skin colour isn’t going to fly. Both you and the other commenter essentially concede this fact by doing the opposite of answering my question.

    Peoplehood based solely off racial purity is creepy and too inflexible.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Sorry to tell you it's the way most of the world is organised and always has been organised.
  155. @Almost Missouri
    Yes, and I haven't been able to dismiss Buchanan's argument from my mind ever since. It is the only mainstream counter to the conventional WWII myths.

    Of course it was hysterically denounced by the usual suspects, even though Buchanan took pains to point out that the Holocaust got murderous only after the Western powers declared war on Germany and closed off emigration routes. But for the critics, I guess it is better for millions to die than to suffer an antisemite to live.

    Well. I personally exists thanks to Churchill.

    This happy Austrian anti-semite planned extermination of lesser races of Eastern Europe.

    Well, who cares for millions of dead white people, right?

    • Replies: @CJ
    Your point illustrates why Nazi remains the world's most toxic brand. Not just Jews but Poles, Russians and many more retain a memory of how it actually worked in practice.
    , @Anonymous
    This is Bolshevist propaganda. Hitler loved his fellow white slavic brothers and was attempting only to liberate them from Communism. Claims to the contrary are lies.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Okay, that's a good objection. I massively simplified Buchanan's thesis. The slightly longer version is that Hitler claimed and planned a lot of things, some of which he acted on and some of which he didn't. Prior to the war, his demographic plans mostly involved moving or subjugating populations he thought were adversarial. It was only after he was locked in war that his program became explicitly exterminationist. You may say that even moving or subjugating other people is genocidal, and you are probably correct in a way, but correct from the perspective of modern Western Europeans, who have the luxury of having already moved, subjugated, assimilated and/or purged most of their nonconforming population by the 18th or 19th century.

    France murdered/expelled the nonconforming Huguenots and then the Vendee. This is after exterminating those pesky Albigensians in the Middle Ages. Britain deported/transported/emigrated its heavily Celtic malcontents, and then appeased/bought off most of the remainder with the Union of Crowns and Parliaments. The Nordics settled their differences in the Northern Wars. Spain was unfashionably late to the struggle for national dominance in the 1930s, but as their Civil War seemed unlikely to splash over the Pyrenees, Britain and France were content to deplore it officially while tolerating it unofficially.

    Central and Eastern Europe, by contrast, still had the patchwork political/ethnic/religious/linguistic pattern that characterized Western Europe in the Middle Ages. Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin all set about trying to "modernize" their populations quickly and often brutally. Worse, from the Western Allies' point of view, the Hitler-Mussolini-Stalin programs were spilling over borders and threatening to upset the "balance of powers" (i.e., make a country other than Britain or France strongest). So in 1939 they decided enough was enough and declared war, which they promptly lost by 1940. France capitulated/collaborated. Britain sat behind the Royal Navy licking its wounds until Hitler finally effed up enough (declaring war on USSR then US in 1941, beginning actual extermination programs in 1942) to turn the tide of war and ethic cleansing back on himself and his own people. So yes, it was a bloody mess all around and probably nowhere worse than in Eastern Europe.

    But to bring this back to your case (I am assuming you are Polish), Britain, France, the US and other Western allies never fought on Polish soil during the war, so they did nothing to deflect the disaster that befell Poland during the war. (Okay that's not quite true: Britain and France declared war, then did nothing as Hitler rolled across Western Poland and Stalin gobbled up Eastern Poland.) Worse, by putting hostile forces on Hitler's western flank, the Western Allies sealed the victim populations of Central and Eastern Europe in, inadvertently activating the worst case version of Hitler's plans, and cutting off the refugee* routes.

    So Hitler was a disaster, but the West made the disaster worse by escalating the conflict to the maximum degree: unconditional victory or abject defeat, conditions which gave Hitler the excuse he needed to prosecute the war in the most pitiless way.


    "Well, I personally exist thanks to Churchill."
     
    I hate to contradict someone I don't know, about personal circumstances I'm not familiar with, but it is hard to see how this could be strictly true. Churchill didn't come to power until the British were kicked off the continent. And even after the Anglo-Americans re-invaded continental Europe in 1943 (Italy) and 1944 (France), they never reached Poland. Meanwhile Germany completely overran Poland and the Soviets invaded Poland twice: first in 1939 with Germany, then again in 1944 against Germany. Each of these invasion was so bad, it is hard to see how it could have been worse had Hitler not had Churchill chewing at his backside, however emotionally gratifying Churchill's defiance may have been.

    Buchanan asks the heretical question: would the twentieth century have been a lot less bloody (fewer "millions of dead white people " to use your phrase) if Churchill had simply done the rational thing and deferred to the Chamberlain wing of the party, the establishment ("This House won't fight for King and Country") and the war weariness of the British people, by reaching a settlement with Hitler allowing Jewish refugees to pass through British sea lanes to Palestine and constraining Hitler's other excesses with the threat of reopening the Western Front? The answer seems to be quite possibly. Buchanan is ambivalent about it, but he raises the question. He seems more confident that Britain not intervening in the First World War would have made that a lot less bloody and avoided setting up World War Two, so the case is stronger there, but then this is already accepted by other historians, including Niall Ferguson, for example.

    *Remember when "refugee" meant people who were actually fleeing from real war and persecution? That's the sense in which it is used here.

  156. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Geez Steve, thought we were pals and here you go posting this while I was asleep.

    Anyways, to the matter at hand.

    Per the source, there are a grand total of 670k Nigerians in Europe and America. Let's throw caution to the air and assume that 2m are illegals--an absurdity-- that's still less than 3m, How then is it possible for 31% to have regular contact with relatives in those countries? That would imply that there nearly 56m Nigerians have relations in Europe and America. How exactly do those numbers square?

    I'm sure more than 50% of people want to be billionaires or have sex with models, it'd be dumb to take it seriously though.

    Anyways, I'm one of the 26%, the less flakes we have, the easier to nation-build.

    Please throw open your borders to them. I'm grateful to be rid of them.

    Please throw open your borders to them. I’m grateful to be rid of them.

    No, no, please keep them. All of them. What kind of nationalist wants to get rid of his compatriots?

    Or is it truth that Nigeria is not a nation only a collection of tribes, and you as a member of one don’t feel any connection to the rest?

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    Ehh, the very essence of Nationalism involves getting rid of those less than willing of sacrifice for the nation.

    That I need to remind of that is probably why your borders are adrift.
  157. @nebulafox
    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I'm pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does. Say what you will about the Chinese, but their approach of treating the Africans as business partners rather than condescendingly as children to be fetishized (in a way, it's as I've said before: affluent white liberals really view blacks as objects for their own emotional needs more than anything. It's not respect or admiration, it is condescension, if of a subliminally paternal type. The reason black nationalism is not taken seriously is, in part, because of this condescension on the part of Western bien-pensants. Granted, that's better than being hated, a la the Deplorables in the West, but it is still dehumanizing) seems to be working pretty well. The Chinese don't question the local political arrangements, correctly assuming that the locals know their own culture best, whereas Beltway-logic declares that the highest importance, rather than introducing new infrastructure or security partnerships, is that Africans must be lectured by State Department SJWs on Jeffersonian democracy and modern American sexual norms. The Chinese openly acknowledge that they are there because of their own national interests rather than out of some sense of altruism: and the Africans are OK with that. I suspect the lack of hypocrisy and openness is refreshing.

    Birth-rates wise, though Kenya and Tanzania still have some work to do, their birth rates have begun to decline. They are sitting at about 4 and 5 kids per woman, respectively, compared to the 6-8 that is rife throughout much of the rest of the continent. (Rwanda, pretty much the template model for economic development in Africa, is a little bit lower, at 3.8.) Should current trends continue, they'll follow the path of much of the rest of the developed world here, and presumably, if Bush II and Obama (for different yet equally misguided reasons) were more willing to openly address the importance of emphasizing contraception and family planning in Africa, the numbers would have declined sooner.

    A big reason I often disagree with the hardcore racialists on this website is how well East Africa is doing relative to African-Americans, despite coming from far worse aggregate poverty over the past few decades. It's not just economically-in terms of social dysfunction, too, the over-the-top crime rates of American ghettoes would be unheard of. Of course, Africa is a huge place, and you also have massively screwed up places at the bottom of the barrel like Somalia or the Congo-the latter of which is a real shame considering the sheer amount of raw materials there. I'm personally of the opinion that if Kagame could annex the eastern part of the country, the lot of both the locals and the world as a whole would be massively improved. Nigeria is an interesting case in that the country has a lot of potential and isn't quite on the level of the Congo, but between overpopulation, massive corruption and governmental incompetence, the threat of radical Islam to the north... it'll be a massively important country in the mid-to-late 21st Century, for better or for worse. Unfortunately, it looks currently like it'll be for worse, and young Nigerians with an iota of ambition are planning their escape routes. Anyway, I'm no Africa expert and would happily be corrected by anybody who happens to be one, but it seems that one of the reasons East Africa got off to a bad start was because guys like Nyerere came to power in Tanzania (Neto in Angola is another example of this type, though not a good one since he died just as the civil war was ramping up) and naively copied the statist planning economies that were in vogue in educated circles in the developing world at the time. One thing that stands out about the first generation of East African colonials was, in contrast to militant groups led by psychopaths in the vein of the Bolsheviks or the Maoists or even bombastic incompetents like Sukarno or Mobutu, was that they meant well, but they axiomatically applied what they learned in the academy. They genuinely didn't know any better. However, over the last couple of decades, things have changed around those parts, and Israeli and Chinese investment has bootstrapped a lot of interesting stuff. Lot of hugely interesting tech startups dealing with trade in East Africa sprouting up in Asia, for example.

    This mistake of simply copying whatever the more advanced countries were doing without adjusting to local conditions was far from limited to the left-wing in the Cold War, I might add: one of the big reasons's behind the Shah's downfall in Iran was his unquestioning application of everything "Western" to his society, above all, from the US. It's not that it didn't work, per se-Iran became much more affluent and modernized during his reign. But he didn't adapt his political system to accommodate how fast he wanted to go, socially, economically, and above all, in making Iran more secular and attached to its old Persian identity at Islam's expense. (It certainly didn't help that his land reforms targeted the ulema clergy, and of course, that the White Revolution created a lot of jobless graduates that were easy pickings for the Islamists.) King Faisal in Saudi Arabia hauntingly reminded him in one letter when the Shah exhorted him to reform and liberalize his country that he ruled a Muslim country, not Sweden or France.

    Where to start? You say so many questionable things.

    First of all I doubt if it makes much sense to characterize the Chinese style of African colonialism quite yet. Maybe the white colonials had a differ approach because they had so much more experience in Africa. Perhaps the Chinese will alter their methods and attitudes after they have gained more familiarity with the people and their culture. The Rhodesians and the white South Africans never engaged in a deliberate policy of genocide. Maybe the Chinese will not be so circumspect? We’ll see.

    I too am not an African expert. My college buddy Calvin was a real Africa expert but Calvin went to serve Amin in Uganda and was never seen again. I hope he didn’t end up in the stew pot. I have read enough African history to know that Amin and Bokassa kept kitchens for the preparation of meals based on those out of current favor. Cannibalism wasn’t the only cultural quirk of de-colonization. Several African rulers established zoos where they kept crocodiles that could be trusted to eat political opponents.

    Two years ago I read a whole series of books on the American Revolution and our separation from Great Britain. I don’t remember that any of our Founding Fathers ate the British after the war. You seem to be trying to ignore the obvious fact that blacks are different.

    You also seem to have missed Sailer’s point about population. America, Europe and many nations in the East have all undergone the “demographic transition”. Their birth rates have fallen soon after modern medicine lowered their death rates. But that hasn’t happened in Africa. It should have already happened. That’s Steve’s point. You think it will happen some time in the future because you assume that blacks in the long run are just the same as other races. I hope that that is true but to date it hasn’t been.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    'When in Uganda, never partake of 'Nile Perch'.


    Auberon Waugh 1975.
  158. Meanwhile, in Germany, one of the losers of the Great War, Adolf Hitler, felt that the only thing that would salve the ache he felt over losing the Great War would be to start a Second Great War and win it.

    LOL. Truecons never let you down with their trite and childish historical assessments of WWII. What with watching movies and reading about golf course architecture all the time, one can understand how Steve has not been able, in the decades he’s been alive, to ever grasp what happened in Europe without the patina of (((the winners))) sloshed on.

    Everyone gets the third rail, dude. We know what can’t be said if one wishes to retain “respectability”. But rather not bring anything up at all than make yourself look like a simpleton or a liar.

  159. @Bragadocious
    Stop framing this in racial terms. Why do so many people here do this? And for the record, the Brits were arming the government of Nigeria while it blockaded Biafra, starving millions.

    Many here frame everything in racial terms because they have no knowledge of the subject matter, but that doesn’t stop them from commenting. Unfortunately, some of the columnists at the Unz Review occasionally do the same thing.

  160. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Africans hate Africa
     
    No one wants to live in a sh!thole.

    I think it’s more accurate to say that Africans hate to be around other Africans.

    I was once an AFDC Social Worker in San Francisco. Blacks always wanted to get a Public Housing apartment away from other blacks. But the Housing Authority wouldn’t put the AFDC blacks in the all white projects for the elderly.

    The blacks thought living amongst all those old whites was a great idea. I imagine foxes have similar ideas about hen houses.

  161. @nebulafox
    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I'm pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does. Say what you will about the Chinese, but their approach of treating the Africans as business partners rather than condescendingly as children to be fetishized (in a way, it's as I've said before: affluent white liberals really view blacks as objects for their own emotional needs more than anything. It's not respect or admiration, it is condescension, if of a subliminally paternal type. The reason black nationalism is not taken seriously is, in part, because of this condescension on the part of Western bien-pensants. Granted, that's better than being hated, a la the Deplorables in the West, but it is still dehumanizing) seems to be working pretty well. The Chinese don't question the local political arrangements, correctly assuming that the locals know their own culture best, whereas Beltway-logic declares that the highest importance, rather than introducing new infrastructure or security partnerships, is that Africans must be lectured by State Department SJWs on Jeffersonian democracy and modern American sexual norms. The Chinese openly acknowledge that they are there because of their own national interests rather than out of some sense of altruism: and the Africans are OK with that. I suspect the lack of hypocrisy and openness is refreshing.

    Birth-rates wise, though Kenya and Tanzania still have some work to do, their birth rates have begun to decline. They are sitting at about 4 and 5 kids per woman, respectively, compared to the 6-8 that is rife throughout much of the rest of the continent. (Rwanda, pretty much the template model for economic development in Africa, is a little bit lower, at 3.8.) Should current trends continue, they'll follow the path of much of the rest of the developed world here, and presumably, if Bush II and Obama (for different yet equally misguided reasons) were more willing to openly address the importance of emphasizing contraception and family planning in Africa, the numbers would have declined sooner.

    A big reason I often disagree with the hardcore racialists on this website is how well East Africa is doing relative to African-Americans, despite coming from far worse aggregate poverty over the past few decades. It's not just economically-in terms of social dysfunction, too, the over-the-top crime rates of American ghettoes would be unheard of. Of course, Africa is a huge place, and you also have massively screwed up places at the bottom of the barrel like Somalia or the Congo-the latter of which is a real shame considering the sheer amount of raw materials there. I'm personally of the opinion that if Kagame could annex the eastern part of the country, the lot of both the locals and the world as a whole would be massively improved. Nigeria is an interesting case in that the country has a lot of potential and isn't quite on the level of the Congo, but between overpopulation, massive corruption and governmental incompetence, the threat of radical Islam to the north... it'll be a massively important country in the mid-to-late 21st Century, for better or for worse. Unfortunately, it looks currently like it'll be for worse, and young Nigerians with an iota of ambition are planning their escape routes. Anyway, I'm no Africa expert and would happily be corrected by anybody who happens to be one, but it seems that one of the reasons East Africa got off to a bad start was because guys like Nyerere came to power in Tanzania (Neto in Angola is another example of this type, though not a good one since he died just as the civil war was ramping up) and naively copied the statist planning economies that were in vogue in educated circles in the developing world at the time. One thing that stands out about the first generation of East African colonials was, in contrast to militant groups led by psychopaths in the vein of the Bolsheviks or the Maoists or even bombastic incompetents like Sukarno or Mobutu, was that they meant well, but they axiomatically applied what they learned in the academy. They genuinely didn't know any better. However, over the last couple of decades, things have changed around those parts, and Israeli and Chinese investment has bootstrapped a lot of interesting stuff. Lot of hugely interesting tech startups dealing with trade in East Africa sprouting up in Asia, for example.

    This mistake of simply copying whatever the more advanced countries were doing without adjusting to local conditions was far from limited to the left-wing in the Cold War, I might add: one of the big reasons's behind the Shah's downfall in Iran was his unquestioning application of everything "Western" to his society, above all, from the US. It's not that it didn't work, per se-Iran became much more affluent and modernized during his reign. But he didn't adapt his political system to accommodate how fast he wanted to go, socially, economically, and above all, in making Iran more secular and attached to its old Persian identity at Islam's expense. (It certainly didn't help that his land reforms targeted the ulema clergy, and of course, that the White Revolution created a lot of jobless graduates that were easy pickings for the Islamists.) King Faisal in Saudi Arabia hauntingly reminded him in one letter when the Shah exhorted him to reform and liberalize his country that he ruled a Muslim country, not Sweden or France.

    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I’m pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does.

    This statement assumes that high-speed rail is desirable. Rail transportation in general and that includes high-speed rail, is basically a cheap way of moving people around. If a nation or an area gets rich enough most people will prefer to travel by their own private automobile.

    So it is indeed possible, even likely, that parts of Africa may develop high-speed rail. It is also possible that America will abandon passenger rail altogether. The trend on the horizon that everyone is watching is that of self driving cars. We may have publicly owned cars available soon too for rent. Maybe I won’t need a private car or a train at all. If I want to go to San Jose, I’ll just order a car on the web. It will drive itself automatically to my door and take me to my destination.

    I haven’t gone to the grocery store in five years. Amazon and Safeway bring my food to my door. Maybe now that we will soon no longer need cab drivers or chauffeurs I’ll just rent a car on the web.

    High-speed rail is so twentieth century.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

    If a nation or an area gets rich enough most people will prefer to travel by their own private automobile.
     
    Not if this means standing in a traffic jam each day. Or when parking place costs 1/6 of the price of your flat.
  162. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    Totally and completely wrong.

    The immigrants will absolutely vote for Left welfare state supporting parties.

    What you will see will be entrenched hard left, Marxist, redistributionist governments.
     
    Many immigrants absolutely would and do vote for "hard left, Marxist, redistributionist governments". I'm not stupid. California is an example. Large immigration triggered a hard-left political shift for the worse that is inflicted on all the residents. South Africa is a more extreme and complex scenario.

    Read what the open border advocates at openborders.info wrote

    Certain American ideals would die of their own increasing impracticality, e.g., “equality of opportunity,” the social safety net, one person, one vote, or non-discrimination in employment. Americans might continue to feel that these ideals were right long after they had ceased to be practiced,
     
    They absolutely predict and hope for an end to majority rule democracy. I half agree with them.

    That ‘open borders.info’ is pure bullshit.

    Putting the necessary trashing of democracy to one side, no nation can be governed for any appreciable period of time unless it has if not the tacit consent, the general respect and confidence of the people of that nation.
    Even the biggest and worst tyrants in history were aware of that fact.

    Now, if the majority of a nation’s population realise that the governance of the nation is purely a conspiracy against them, an attempt to keep them down as a class of hopeless helots to be scammed whilst an elite, deliberately set up against them, scams the living bejesus out of them, then that government is surely doomed.

    As I said if these ‘open border libertarian’ types are so confident in their intellectualizing circle jerk-offs, why can’t they just put their policies up for popular vote?

    I don’t know how are more stupid – the jerk off ‘libertarians’ or the fools who take their flatulations seriously.

  163. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    If these people want the Welfare State to go, they should be honest and brave enough to publicly state it, and to advocate that position politically, so that the public gets a chance to vote for it.
     
    Oh, they do...

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2011/09/ethnic_diversit.html:

    One of my arguments is that immigration increases diversity, which undermines solidarity, which mutes public support for the welfare state. A well-known 2001 paper by Alesina, Glaeser, and Sacerdote (henceforth AGS) presents evidence that, on net, racial fragmentation makes the welfare state smaller.
     
    That crowd also clearly argues against democracy. They argue that voters shouldn't have the right to vote to restrict immigration and advocate tactics to subvert voter opinion.

    Their view is rather extreme. They are literally advocating blowing up democracy or something very close.

    I am a hard core committed Atheist.
    I eschew dogma, group think, conventionality, consensus and regimentation of thought wherever I find them.
    In short, I ‘believe’ in next to nothing except my own instincts and experiences.

    *However* there is one precept I *do* believe in – on purely ‘moral’ grounds, (and ‘moral’ for me is a relative concept), and that is ‘Democracy’ – namely that ultimately, the citizens of a nation state have full political supremacy, as mediated by ‘one citizen, one vote’.

    On that I will never but never compromise, no matter what the consequences, causes, rationale etc is. In fact, this principle is of higher importance than the nation – and its survival.

    If the electorate want to elect hard left commies, or wet-behind-the-dick ‘libertarians’ so be it.

    It’s our job to *persuade* of the right path.

    The highest virtue of Democracy is that trash governments can be ejected.
    Crap Dictators cannot.
    And why is that tosser Bryan Caplan *so sure* that he is ‘better than everyone’?

    For all I know, he could be a god awful combination of Merkel and Nero.

  164. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    And American nationalism worked out well for America. My point was that anything based explicitly off skin colour isn't going to fly. Both you and the other commenter essentially concede this fact by doing the opposite of answering my question.

    Peoplehood based solely off racial purity is creepy and too inflexible.

    Sorry to tell you it’s the way most of the world is organised and always has been organised.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    It isn't though. North Korea is organised that way, according to some accounts, but nowhere else is.

    Name a place and I'll easily disprove you.

    Your problem is clearly that you don't know anymore about the rest of the world than does your standard progressive. Possibly because you get your knowledge of it from those progressives but just interpret it differently.
  165. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Where to start? You say so many questionable things.

    First of all I doubt if it makes much sense to characterize the Chinese style of African colonialism quite yet. Maybe the white colonials had a differ approach because they had so much more experience in Africa. Perhaps the Chinese will alter their methods and attitudes after they have gained more familiarity with the people and their culture. The Rhodesians and the white South Africans never engaged in a deliberate policy of genocide. Maybe the Chinese will not be so circumspect? We'll see.

    I too am not an African expert. My college buddy Calvin was a real Africa expert but Calvin went to serve Amin in Uganda and was never seen again. I hope he didn't end up in the stew pot. I have read enough African history to know that Amin and Bokassa kept kitchens for the preparation of meals based on those out of current favor. Cannibalism wasn't the only cultural quirk of de-colonization. Several African rulers established zoos where they kept crocodiles that could be trusted to eat political opponents.

    Two years ago I read a whole series of books on the American Revolution and our separation from Great Britain. I don't remember that any of our Founding Fathers ate the British after the war. You seem to be trying to ignore the obvious fact that blacks are different.

    You also seem to have missed Sailer's point about population. America, Europe and many nations in the East have all undergone the "demographic transition". Their birth rates have fallen soon after modern medicine lowered their death rates. But that hasn't happened in Africa. It should have already happened. That's Steve's point. You think it will happen some time in the future because you assume that blacks in the long run are just the same as other races. I hope that that is true but to date it hasn't been.

    ‘When in Uganda, never partake of ‘Nile Perch’.

    Auberon Waugh 1975.

  166. Anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:

    “In addition, the job market looks unlikely to improve anytime soon, thanks to high fertility levels that will mean even more people competing for jobs.”

    In addition, the job market looks unlikely to improve anytime soon, thanks to open borders that will mean even more people competing for jobs.

  167. @Massimo Heitor

    Why would you defend them? They hate you.

     

    Why would this crowd hate Yan Shen? I've never heard of her until now. Skimming her comments she seems like a great person that I would really like.

    If you are implying that this crowd hate non-whites... That is mostly absurd. So, this is a comment section that attracts angry pissed off white people, but I suspect most people are more reasonable. My wife is black, btw.

    If you are implying that this crowd hate non-whites… That is mostly absurd. So, this is a comment section that attracts angry pissed off white people, but I suspect most people are more reasonable. My wife is black, btw.

    You are quite different from the others. You appear to be new here.

    You’ll see. If you point out that your wife is black, you will get a lot of hate over time.

    BTW, I am a white guy who favors skilled immigration (which of course is mostly Asian), but opposes unskilled (and certainly illegal) immigration.

  168. @slumber_j
    Here in Rome, where I'm most definitely not enjoying what was supposed to be a family vacation that turned into a horrible health crisis for our daughter (currently recovering well as far as we can tell at the Bambino Gesu Pediatric Hospital, thank God), the Africans have over the years become an increasingly obvious addition to the population.

    Most notable around our rented apartment near the Campo de' Fiori are East Africans--specifically Eritreans, who were touchingly overflowing a nearby church this Sunday morning and last. I generally like them and nevertheless don't want them inundating Italy, the rest of Europe, the US, etc. etc.

    In the case of the US, we need to work hard to ensure that the Zeroth Amendment isn't legislated even further into the Statutes of Liberty for everyone on Earth to invade willy-nilly. How we can prevent it I don't know, but we do need to try.

    How lovely in translation: “Baby Jesus Pediatrics Hospital”.

  169. @Pericles
    Lol, the high-achieving white leaves out Asians and Jews, but worse, doesn't understand genetics. Perhaps your role in the brave new world will be less prominent than you thought.

    Lol, the high-achieving white leaves out Asians and Jews, but worse, doesn’t understand genetics. Perhaps your role in the brave new world will be less prominent than you thought

    .

    The intent of the list was obviously not to list every single group, especially smaller groups. That would have been obvious to most people (but not to you, apparently).

    Get a clue..

  170. @Bies Podkrakowski

    Please throw open your borders to them. I’m grateful to be rid of them.
     
    No, no, please keep them. All of them. What kind of nationalist wants to get rid of his compatriots?

    Or is it truth that Nigeria is not a nation only a collection of tribes, and you as a member of one don't feel any connection to the rest?

    Ehh, the very essence of Nationalism involves getting rid of those less than willing of sacrifice for the nation.

    That I need to remind of that is probably why your borders are adrift.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

    Ehh, the very essence of Nationalism involves getting rid of those less than willing of sacrifice for the nation.
     
    That's what civil wars are for.

    That I need to remind of that is probably why your borders are adrift.
     
    No, they are quite stable.
  171. In Ghana, all the shopkeepers are from Senegal, and in Senegal, all the shopkeepers are from Ghana. If you want to open a store or any other business in Africa, you must do it very far from your birthplace, lest hundreds of relatives you barely know show up, take whatever they want, and don’t pay for it because they’re “family”.

    You cannot accumulate anything if you stay in your home village; if you have so much as a loaf of bread, you must share it. So congrats to those 70 million Nigerians for having some ambition!

  172. @Pat Boyle
    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I’m pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does.

    This statement assumes that high-speed rail is desirable. Rail transportation in general and that includes high-speed rail, is basically a cheap way of moving people around. If a nation or an area gets rich enough most people will prefer to travel by their own private automobile.

    So it is indeed possible, even likely, that parts of Africa may develop high-speed rail. It is also possible that America will abandon passenger rail altogether. The trend on the horizon that everyone is watching is that of self driving cars. We may have publicly owned cars available soon too for rent. Maybe I won't need a private car or a train at all. If I want to go to San Jose, I'll just order a car on the web. It will drive itself automatically to my door and take me to my destination.

    I haven't gone to the grocery store in five years. Amazon and Safeway bring my food to my door. Maybe now that we will soon no longer need cab drivers or chauffeurs I'll just rent a car on the web.

    High-speed rail is so twentieth century.

    If a nation or an area gets rich enough most people will prefer to travel by their own private automobile.

    Not if this means standing in a traffic jam each day. Or when parking place costs 1/6 of the price of your flat.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    I think you have missed my point. If there is something like an Amazon type service where one rents a self driving car from a web site - people like me wouldn't need to own a car at all. So they wouldn't need to pay for a parking space. I think we will soon see a mixture car usage styles.

    I used to live on Russian Hill in San Francisco in an apartment. I indeed had to rent a parking spot because I had to have a car even though I used to just hop on the cable car that ran by my place if I wanted to go downtown. The problem was I sometimes wanted to go to Daly City or Oakland. So I had to own and maintain a car. If a web based service springs up - as seems certain - then city dwellers simply won't bother to own a car at all. No more visits to the DMV, no more searching for a parking spot, etc.

    On the other hand a self driving rented car can be made quite nice. You can have a stereo system, a TV, and a personal computer in each vehicle. A public bus today is a miserable ride. You stand out in the rain and the wind waiting for it to come and then you are given a hard vandal-proof seat where you get to meet the lower class . It's uncomfortable and dangerous.

    City buses will still exist for the poor as will private cars for the rich. But for many middle class people in the suburbs actually owning your own automobile won't make much sense anymore.

    As to the traffic jam problem, on reason that traffic jams are such a lousy way to spend you time is that you are forced to stay alert when nothing much is happening. In a self driving car you can just watch a movie on TV or a cable news show. Many people will work at the kind of job where they can do business on their way to work while stuck in a traffic jam.

    Also self driving cars should reduce some kinds of traffic jams. On the freeway going sixty miles an hour you need to keep several car lengths back from the car in front to allow for your human reflexes. If you could cede control to an automatic system of some sort the spacing between cars could be much less. Long stretches of the new style freeways could possibly carry double or triple the traffic density of today's freeways and still keep things moving.
  173. @benjaminl
    Good wishes for your daughter's health.

    Thank you very much.

  174. @Bies Podkrakowski
    Well. I personally exists thanks to Churchill.

    This happy Austrian anti-semite planned extermination of lesser races of Eastern Europe.

    Well, who cares for millions of dead white people, right?

    Your point illustrates why Nazi remains the world’s most toxic brand. Not just Jews but Poles, Russians and many more retain a memory of how it actually worked in practice.

  175. @ogunsiron
    How do they make it to Mexico ? What possible route could they be taking ?

    Most of them are entering Mexico legally and overstaying their visa. A smaller number are entering Guatemala legally and sneaking into Mexico.

  176. Pew: 70 Million Nigerians Plan to Migrate Over Next 5 Years

    I believe the proper spelling is Pee-yew.

  177. @a reader

    I mean, there were never any Russian explorers going towards the New World.
     
    Kotzebue?

    I mean, there were never any Russian explorers going towards the New World.

    Kotzebue?

    Kotzebue was an ethnic German, and Vitus Bering a Dane. So, ethnically speaking, she may be right.

  178. @Anonymous
    O.T.

    The blatantly, explicitly and unabashedly anti-Trump BBC TV News lead their reports today with the tale of one 'Stormy Daniels' claiming to have had an affair with Donald Trump, and of Trump cronies threatening her kids.

    The BBC referred to Stormy Daniels as an 'actor', would you believe throughout the report. Yes, children were likely watching the bulletin, but calling someone of Stormy Daniels' ilk an 'actor' is straining credulity (no pun) to the limit. She makes a living by being hired to perform sexual acts with hired studs in public - and by selling the recorded film thereof. The politest word you could possibly call her is a 'performer'.

    Shouldn’t that be “actress “, not actor?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No. They said 'actor'.

    You see like 'postman' or 'fireman' PC speak - as used by the BBC - wants to eliminate the distinctive 'actress' as being 'sexist' and the portmanteau 'actor' is used for thespians of both sexes.
  179. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s ironic that you compared this immigration crisis to the lead up to the second world war. There is another comparison in that vein that might be mentioned: the failure of democratic societies to solve pressing social issues and subsequent rise of strong men who were willing to “get the trains moving.” Might we see a redux?

  180. Anonymous[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bies Podkrakowski
    Well. I personally exists thanks to Churchill.

    This happy Austrian anti-semite planned extermination of lesser races of Eastern Europe.

    Well, who cares for millions of dead white people, right?

    This is Bolshevist propaganda. Hitler loved his fellow white slavic brothers and was attempting only to liberate them from Communism. Claims to the contrary are lies.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    So, all this time we were Aryan Ubermenschen?
    , @Anonymous
    I think this is satire, but it is true that very late in the war (1944-45) the Germans ditched (at least publicly) their anti-Slav rhetoric and began recruiting Russian and Ukrainian anti-Communists into their army. It was too little too late but it is interesting to speculate what would have happened if they had adopted this policy at the outset of the war instead of at the bitter end.

    Similarly the Confederacy began to recruit black soldiers at the very end of the Civil War. Again, it was too late to make a difference, but if this policy had been put in place in 1861 who knows what might have happened. Perhaps it wouldn't have made a difference, or would simply have delayed the inevitable. (After all, South Africa and Rhodesia both employed large numbers of black soldiers, for all the good it did them.)
  181. Well I hope they aren’t planning on gracing us with their presence. That would almost triple our black population. Imagine if the 2nd amendment was repealed and we had 70 million more angry, sullen, perpetually aggrieved Professional Blamers shaking us down and administering routine beatings, rapes, necklacing, and blowtorching 12 year olds? Do not give up your right to bear arms, ever.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's what The Economist wants.

    Ergo

    That's what you *will* get.

    Beefman's Law.
  182. @Thomm
    Translation : Jenner is butthurt that I merely revealed the existence of that one woman, which negates everything his entire subrace 0f defectives does.

    What is you gonna do?

    Heh heh heh heh

    Heh heh heh heh

    Ooof, there’s that creepy bitter laugh again. Thomm, bro, I’m here only to help. 🙂

  183. @Bies Podkrakowski
    Well. I personally exists thanks to Churchill.

    This happy Austrian anti-semite planned extermination of lesser races of Eastern Europe.

    Well, who cares for millions of dead white people, right?

    Okay, that’s a good objection. I massively simplified Buchanan’s thesis. The slightly longer version is that Hitler claimed and planned a lot of things, some of which he acted on and some of which he didn’t. Prior to the war, his demographic plans mostly involved moving or subjugating populations he thought were adversarial. It was only after he was locked in war that his program became explicitly exterminationist. You may say that even moving or subjugating other people is genocidal, and you are probably correct in a way, but correct from the perspective of modern Western Europeans, who have the luxury of having already moved, subjugated, assimilated and/or purged most of their nonconforming population by the 18th or 19th century.

    France murdered/expelled the nonconforming Huguenots and then the Vendee. This is after exterminating those pesky Albigensians in the Middle Ages. Britain deported/transported/emigrated its heavily Celtic malcontents, and then appeased/bought off most of the remainder with the Union of Crowns and Parliaments. The Nordics settled their differences in the Northern Wars. Spain was unfashionably late to the struggle for national dominance in the 1930s, but as their Civil War seemed unlikely to splash over the Pyrenees, Britain and France were content to deplore it officially while tolerating it unofficially.

    Central and Eastern Europe, by contrast, still had the patchwork political/ethnic/religious/linguistic pattern that characterized Western Europe in the Middle Ages. Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin all set about trying to “modernize” their populations quickly and often brutally. Worse, from the Western Allies’ point of view, the Hitler-Mussolini-Stalin programs were spilling over borders and threatening to upset the “balance of powers” (i.e., make a country other than Britain or France strongest). So in 1939 they decided enough was enough and declared war, which they promptly lost by 1940. France capitulated/collaborated. Britain sat behind the Royal Navy licking its wounds until Hitler finally effed up enough (declaring war on USSR then US in 1941, beginning actual extermination programs in 1942) to turn the tide of war and ethic cleansing back on himself and his own people. So yes, it was a bloody mess all around and probably nowhere worse than in Eastern Europe.

    But to bring this back to your case (I am assuming you are Polish), Britain, France, the US and other Western allies never fought on Polish soil during the war, so they did nothing to deflect the disaster that befell Poland during the war. (Okay that’s not quite true: Britain and France declared war, then did nothing as Hitler rolled across Western Poland and Stalin gobbled up Eastern Poland.) Worse, by putting hostile forces on Hitler’s western flank, the Western Allies sealed the victim populations of Central and Eastern Europe in, inadvertently activating the worst case version of Hitler’s plans, and cutting off the refugee* routes.

    So Hitler was a disaster, but the West made the disaster worse by escalating the conflict to the maximum degree: unconditional victory or abject defeat, conditions which gave Hitler the excuse he needed to prosecute the war in the most pitiless way.

    “Well, I personally exist thanks to Churchill.”

    I hate to contradict someone I don’t know, about personal circumstances I’m not familiar with, but it is hard to see how this could be strictly true. Churchill didn’t come to power until the British were kicked off the continent. And even after the Anglo-Americans re-invaded continental Europe in 1943 (Italy) and 1944 (France), they never reached Poland. Meanwhile Germany completely overran Poland and the Soviets invaded Poland twice: first in 1939 with Germany, then again in 1944 against Germany. Each of these invasion was so bad, it is hard to see how it could have been worse had Hitler not had Churchill chewing at his backside, however emotionally gratifying Churchill’s defiance may have been.

    Buchanan asks the heretical question: would the twentieth century have been a lot less bloody (fewer “millions of dead white people ” to use your phrase) if Churchill had simply done the rational thing and deferred to the Chamberlain wing of the party, the establishment (“This House won’t fight for King and Country”) and the war weariness of the British people, by reaching a settlement with Hitler allowing Jewish refugees to pass through British sea lanes to Palestine and constraining Hitler’s other excesses with the threat of reopening the Western Front? The answer seems to be quite possibly. Buchanan is ambivalent about it, but he raises the question. He seems more confident that Britain not intervening in the First World War would have made that a lot less bloody and avoided setting up World War Two, so the case is stronger there, but then this is already accepted by other historians, including Niall Ferguson, for example.

    *Remember when “refugee” meant people who were actually fleeing from real war and persecution? That’s the sense in which it is used here.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    But England couldn't done this any other way. It was simply continuation of centuries old English policy: to be against any power that is trying to dominate the continent. Churchill had to choose: fight with relatively weaker opponent now or make peace and allow Germany to strengthen and build true oceanic fleet.

    I don't know but has Buchanan ever criticized England for fighting Napoleon? Only this time England was too weak to win.

    Worse, by putting hostile forces on Hitler’s western flank, the Western Allies sealed the victim populations of Central and Eastern Europe in, inadvertently activating the worst case version of Hitler’s plans, and cutting off the refugee* routes.
     
    Pre-war security guarantee for Poland was about preventing the war. What kind of rational leader wants to have war on two fronts? Only Hitler wasn't rational in traditional sense, Wehrmacht was better than anybody thought and French wasted two weeks when Polish army was doing meaningful fighting.
  184. @schnellandine
    Projects paid via state influence and confiscation are not free market. Classically, your tale is one of state failure, not market failure. Yet libertarianism gets another kick. Ouch!

    I concede your point. The last paragraph was overstated and unnecessary.

  185. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    Shouldn't that be "actress ", not actor?

    No. They said ‘actor’.

    You see like ‘postman’ or ‘fireman’ PC speak – as used by the BBC – wants to eliminate the distinctive ‘actress’ as being ‘sexist’ and the portmanteau ‘actor’ is used for thespians of both sexes.

    • Agree: BB753
  186. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gemjunior
    Well I hope they aren’t planning on gracing us with their presence. That would almost triple our black population. Imagine if the 2nd amendment was repealed and we had 70 million more angry, sullen, perpetually aggrieved Professional Blamers shaking us down and administering routine beatings, rapes, necklacing, and blowtorching 12 year olds? Do not give up your right to bear arms, ever.

    That’s what The Economist wants.

    Ergo

    That’s what you *will* get.

    Beefman’s Law.

  187. @Anonymous
    Sorry to tell you it's the way most of the world is organised and always has been organised.

    It isn’t though. North Korea is organised that way, according to some accounts, but nowhere else is.

    Name a place and I’ll easily disprove you.

    Your problem is clearly that you don’t know anymore about the rest of the world than does your standard progressive. Possibly because you get your knowledge of it from those progressives but just interpret it differently.

  188. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Back at you: name one society that has survived without explicitly defending the cultural and territorial integrity of its racial-ethnic redoubt.

    Jewish nationalism seems to have worked out pretty well for Israel. Han nationalism works out well for China, and the Koreans, Japanese and others have no intention whatsoever of assimilating into the Chinese Borg. Even landlocked, surrounded Mongolia is still Mongolia. Bhutan is a garden, for the Bhutanese. Syria, despite the best efforts of the US and Arab monarchies, and with some outside help from Russia and Hezbollah, seems determined to be an integral sovereign in its own right. It took them centuries, but the Spaniards eventually got Spain back and didn't become Moors. The Amish are determinedly Amish, and they don't even have guns. Do you need any other examples?

    “Back at you: name one society that has survived without explicitly defending the cultural and territorial integrity of its racial-ethnic redoubt.”

    Certainly there is validity in your statement. But you assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic. “Europeans” came to North America, conquered and settled. But they were other than united in the beginning by common ideologies. Europeans had their own “redoubts”, ethnically and/or culturally, in the Thirteen States. Remember, the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs, the Poles–ALL had been considered at various points in time of unworthy of assimilation and citizenship. HOWEVER, they gradually blended into a new group–Americans–as they immersed themselves into building their political and economic institutions. And, accordingly, the Founding Fathers left open the door for future generations of Americans to weave other groups of people into the American fabric–European and non-European.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    One of the first and most important thinkers of the nineteenth century to elaborate this view of society was Joseph-Arthur de Gobineau, who began publishing his L’essai sur l’inegalité des races humaines (Essay on the inequality of the human races) in 1853. Gobineau’s history presented human development for the first time as a contest of races. His book was heavily researched in an attempt to draw together the most upto-date scholarship of the new realms of science, especially German archaeology and philology and French anthropology. He concluded that contemporary nations were the patrimony of a racial past defined by the conquest of weaker races by stronger ones. He posited three great races, the white, the black, and the yellow, that engaged in constant battle. For Gobineau, the victor and true driving force of human history was the white, or European, race. Yet, this victory came always at a price. Lesser races never disappeared. Instead, they mixed into the conquering races, leaving a weaker whole. The mixture, in fact, elevated lower races, in which he included the yellow and the black and their lingering influence among European peasantry and urban working classes, while the white race was degraded.

    Georges Vacher de Lapouge, in his study of European skulls in 1888, saw three European races and ordered their quality and value: European Man, Alpine Man, and Homo Contractus. He argued that none of these races directly correlated with a specific nation, but his descriptions of their behaviors and religious ideas were clearly meant to correspond to Germany, Southern Europe, and the population of European Jews. The naturalized German citizen Houston Stewart Chamberlain wrote in 1899 that the German race struggled to maintain its purity because of the Darwinian form of natural selection that caused Germans to feel a revulsion toward intermixing with lesser races. Overall, this putative science of race uncoupled nationalism from its liberal roots, implying that those who lived within a national community did not necessarily belong. One could act, speak, or feel German or French but never be German or French.

    In newly unified Italy, northern Italians in Lombardy saw the threat of southern peoples, the Sicilians or Neapolitans, as racially enervating. They were thought to be different because of their hot-blooded, less rational characters—elements believed to emanate from their hotter climate and their proximity to Africa. Similar ideas existed in Spain toward those from the south, in particular Andalusia. In northern Spain, notions of racial purity became important adjuncts of the Basque nationalist movement that sprang up in the late nineteenth century. The presence of foreign guest workers, or maketos, from other parts of Spain, was perceived as a threat to Basque purity. Sabino Arana, an early founder of Basque nationalism, proposed miscegenation laws in 1901 to prohibit the marriage of Basques to Spaniards.

    Imperialism helped solidify a view of the world as a hierarchy of races with Europeans at the zenith and all others arrayed below. One ugly symbol of this worldview was the “human zoo” that appeared throughout fin de siècle Europe in international fairs and other public spectacles. This kind of menagerie, replete with dioramic portrayals of humans living in their “typical” habitat, produced wide-eyed amazement among Europeans of the late nineteenth century and established racial hierarchy not just as an elite, scientific view of history but also as a popular one. By the 1880s and 1890s, race existed as a concrete idea recognizable to any European. Race became an essential element of national strength—and required defense and protection.

  189. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Ehh, the very essence of Nationalism involves getting rid of those less than willing of sacrifice for the nation.

    That I need to remind of that is probably why your borders are adrift.

    Ehh, the very essence of Nationalism involves getting rid of those less than willing of sacrifice for the nation.

    That’s what civil wars are for.

    That I need to remind of that is probably why your borders are adrift.

    No, they are quite stable.

  190. @Anonymous
    This is Bolshevist propaganda. Hitler loved his fellow white slavic brothers and was attempting only to liberate them from Communism. Claims to the contrary are lies.

    So, all this time we were Aryan Ubermenschen?

  191. @The Anti-Gnostic
    It strikes me that a source of this funding could be the elites themselves, who already have more money than they know what to do with and are just parking it in government bonds. How long are we going to keep up this delusion of sovereignty for s***hole countries? Haiti will never be capable of self-governance--sell it to the Gates family. They can buy Guyana and Jamaica too.

    The process will be autocratic and at times ruthless, even cruel. But the more I think about this the more I think it will eventually happen. The trendline is ticking toward executive control and the withering and eventual disappearance of the democratic nation-state.

    “How long are we going to keep up this delusion of sovereignty for s***hole countries?”

    So long as individuals believe they have the right to self-govern themselves.

    “Haiti will never be capable of self-governance–sell it to the Gates family.”

    It’s not a matter of capability, it’s a matter of European instilled values on the ruling classes for gimmedats. Their predecessors taught them well. There have been 45 leaders since the country achieved independence from France in 1804, and for the most part they have pillaged and plundered, ruled as despots, stifled opposition, violated human rights and operated with impunity.

    “The process will be autocratic and at times ruthless, even cruel. But the more I think about this the more I think it will eventually happen.”

    Maybe, but probably not.

    “The trendline is ticking toward executive control and the withering and eventual disappearance of the democratic nation-state.”

    Extremely doubtful.

  192. @Almost Missouri
    Okay, that's a good objection. I massively simplified Buchanan's thesis. The slightly longer version is that Hitler claimed and planned a lot of things, some of which he acted on and some of which he didn't. Prior to the war, his demographic plans mostly involved moving or subjugating populations he thought were adversarial. It was only after he was locked in war that his program became explicitly exterminationist. You may say that even moving or subjugating other people is genocidal, and you are probably correct in a way, but correct from the perspective of modern Western Europeans, who have the luxury of having already moved, subjugated, assimilated and/or purged most of their nonconforming population by the 18th or 19th century.

    France murdered/expelled the nonconforming Huguenots and then the Vendee. This is after exterminating those pesky Albigensians in the Middle Ages. Britain deported/transported/emigrated its heavily Celtic malcontents, and then appeased/bought off most of the remainder with the Union of Crowns and Parliaments. The Nordics settled their differences in the Northern Wars. Spain was unfashionably late to the struggle for national dominance in the 1930s, but as their Civil War seemed unlikely to splash over the Pyrenees, Britain and France were content to deplore it officially while tolerating it unofficially.

    Central and Eastern Europe, by contrast, still had the patchwork political/ethnic/religious/linguistic pattern that characterized Western Europe in the Middle Ages. Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin all set about trying to "modernize" their populations quickly and often brutally. Worse, from the Western Allies' point of view, the Hitler-Mussolini-Stalin programs were spilling over borders and threatening to upset the "balance of powers" (i.e., make a country other than Britain or France strongest). So in 1939 they decided enough was enough and declared war, which they promptly lost by 1940. France capitulated/collaborated. Britain sat behind the Royal Navy licking its wounds until Hitler finally effed up enough (declaring war on USSR then US in 1941, beginning actual extermination programs in 1942) to turn the tide of war and ethic cleansing back on himself and his own people. So yes, it was a bloody mess all around and probably nowhere worse than in Eastern Europe.

    But to bring this back to your case (I am assuming you are Polish), Britain, France, the US and other Western allies never fought on Polish soil during the war, so they did nothing to deflect the disaster that befell Poland during the war. (Okay that's not quite true: Britain and France declared war, then did nothing as Hitler rolled across Western Poland and Stalin gobbled up Eastern Poland.) Worse, by putting hostile forces on Hitler's western flank, the Western Allies sealed the victim populations of Central and Eastern Europe in, inadvertently activating the worst case version of Hitler's plans, and cutting off the refugee* routes.

    So Hitler was a disaster, but the West made the disaster worse by escalating the conflict to the maximum degree: unconditional victory or abject defeat, conditions which gave Hitler the excuse he needed to prosecute the war in the most pitiless way.


    "Well, I personally exist thanks to Churchill."
     
    I hate to contradict someone I don't know, about personal circumstances I'm not familiar with, but it is hard to see how this could be strictly true. Churchill didn't come to power until the British were kicked off the continent. And even after the Anglo-Americans re-invaded continental Europe in 1943 (Italy) and 1944 (France), they never reached Poland. Meanwhile Germany completely overran Poland and the Soviets invaded Poland twice: first in 1939 with Germany, then again in 1944 against Germany. Each of these invasion was so bad, it is hard to see how it could have been worse had Hitler not had Churchill chewing at his backside, however emotionally gratifying Churchill's defiance may have been.

    Buchanan asks the heretical question: would the twentieth century have been a lot less bloody (fewer "millions of dead white people " to use your phrase) if Churchill had simply done the rational thing and deferred to the Chamberlain wing of the party, the establishment ("This House won't fight for King and Country") and the war weariness of the British people, by reaching a settlement with Hitler allowing Jewish refugees to pass through British sea lanes to Palestine and constraining Hitler's other excesses with the threat of reopening the Western Front? The answer seems to be quite possibly. Buchanan is ambivalent about it, but he raises the question. He seems more confident that Britain not intervening in the First World War would have made that a lot less bloody and avoided setting up World War Two, so the case is stronger there, but then this is already accepted by other historians, including Niall Ferguson, for example.

    *Remember when "refugee" meant people who were actually fleeing from real war and persecution? That's the sense in which it is used here.

    But England couldn’t done this any other way. It was simply continuation of centuries old English policy: to be against any power that is trying to dominate the continent. Churchill had to choose: fight with relatively weaker opponent now or make peace and allow Germany to strengthen and build true oceanic fleet.

    I don’t know but has Buchanan ever criticized England for fighting Napoleon? Only this time England was too weak to win.

    Worse, by putting hostile forces on Hitler’s western flank, the Western Allies sealed the victim populations of Central and Eastern Europe in, inadvertently activating the worst case version of Hitler’s plans, and cutting off the refugee* routes.

    Pre-war security guarantee for Poland was about preventing the war. What kind of rational leader wants to have war on two fronts? Only Hitler wasn’t rational in traditional sense, Wehrmacht was better than anybody thought and French wasted two weeks when Polish army was doing meaningful fighting.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Yes it's true that Britain had a policy of opposing the most powerful continental power, using lesser powers to do the fighting and dying where possible, but doing their own fighting and dying where necessary. This policy led to the massive catastrophe of 1914-1918 however, which stripped a generation of men out of Europe and probably marked the beginning of the end of Western civilization. Even though WWI was technically a victory for the British, the cost was so high that the Establishment (what was left of it) wondered if it was really worth. Many thought not. Many eminent historians today agree with them.

    So if it was a mistake in 1914, could it have been correct in 1939? Possibly. But as Buchanan points out, the case is ambiguous. Even Churchill himself was ambivalent afterwards. "The Unnecessary War" was Churchill's own suggestion for the name of the just finished conflict. Britain hadn't saved Poland, the grounds for launching the war, and all the blood and suffering to crush Nazi Germany had ultimately empowered the even more bloody Soviet Union, which Britain was no longer strong enough to oppose without outside (American) help.

    Had Britain stood pat in 1939, wouldn't that mean that Germany would have become more powerful under an odious dictator? Yes. So instead Britain attacked, and the Soviet Union became more powerful under an odious dictator. See the difference? Churchill didn't much either.

    Worse, nationalism—even the aggressive expansionist nationalism of the Nazis—eventually burns itself out when it runs out of nationals to bear its burdens, while the supra-national Bolshevism of the Soviet Communists knows no such limits. Indeed, it may be said that Communism only derived validity from being supposedly universal, so for Communists to settle for anything less than global conquest is to concede illegitimacy. The Nazis were disappointed that they could only find a few thousand Germans who would actually go settle in the newly acquired lands in the east. The contradictions of expansive nationalism were already sapping the Nazi project. But with the Soviets, Churchill had conspired in empowering a new tyranny that was subject to no mere ethnic limits. Churchill devoted himself to opposing it for the rest of this life.
  193. @Bies Podkrakowski

    If a nation or an area gets rich enough most people will prefer to travel by their own private automobile.
     
    Not if this means standing in a traffic jam each day. Or when parking place costs 1/6 of the price of your flat.

    I think you have missed my point. If there is something like an Amazon type service where one rents a self driving car from a web site – people like me wouldn’t need to own a car at all. So they wouldn’t need to pay for a parking space. I think we will soon see a mixture car usage styles.

    I used to live on Russian Hill in San Francisco in an apartment. I indeed had to rent a parking spot because I had to have a car even though I used to just hop on the cable car that ran by my place if I wanted to go downtown. The problem was I sometimes wanted to go to Daly City or Oakland. So I had to own and maintain a car. If a web based service springs up – as seems certain – then city dwellers simply won’t bother to own a car at all. No more visits to the DMV, no more searching for a parking spot, etc.

    On the other hand a self driving rented car can be made quite nice. You can have a stereo system, a TV, and a personal computer in each vehicle. A public bus today is a miserable ride. You stand out in the rain and the wind waiting for it to come and then you are given a hard vandal-proof seat where you get to meet the lower class . It’s uncomfortable and dangerous.

    City buses will still exist for the poor as will private cars for the rich. But for many middle class people in the suburbs actually owning your own automobile won’t make much sense anymore.

    As to the traffic jam problem, on reason that traffic jams are such a lousy way to spend you time is that you are forced to stay alert when nothing much is happening. In a self driving car you can just watch a movie on TV or a cable news show. Many people will work at the kind of job where they can do business on their way to work while stuck in a traffic jam.

    Also self driving cars should reduce some kinds of traffic jams. On the freeway going sixty miles an hour you need to keep several car lengths back from the car in front to allow for your human reflexes. If you could cede control to an automatic system of some sort the spacing between cars could be much less. Long stretches of the new style freeways could possibly carry double or triple the traffic density of today’s freeways and still keep things moving.

  194. @Anonymous
    No.

    It *has* happened.

    Just look at the unemployment rates of workers designated as 'unskilled' across most western nations.

    I did not write about unskilled labor, I wrote about physical labor.

    What unskilled labor is concerend – it’s recling, but it is far from vanishing, too.

    But – I get what you’re talking about too – there is indeed already a lower class in many western countries, nobody needs anymore.

    – Right now, they’re on welfare and – opioids, often times, and that’s maybe not enough, or not quite right, or – – what?!

    It’s scary, too – or: Even? Even – scary?

  195. Oddly enough IQ of future westerners from Ghana isn’t much higher than % wanting to immigrate…….
    From: IQ and the Wealth of Nations
    Average IQ
    Ghana – 83
    Nigeria & Kenya 80
    South Africa 77
    Senegal 76
    Tanzania 72

    What could possibly go wrong with moving them in among a bunch of 98+IQ folks?

  196. Meanwhile, in Germany, one of the losers of the Great War, Adolf Hitler, felt that the only thing that would salve the ache he felt over losing the Great War would be to start a Second Great War and win it. A couple of weeks after Hitler came to power in Germany intending to change the outcome of the last war with a new war…

    This is so laughably simplistic it’s asinine.

    Your take on history has all the legitimacy of a Pathé newsreel and undermines your credibility.

  197. @Steve Sailer
    No, the Hitler part was about how disastrous well-intended ideological extremism can prove, such as the Western European pacifism fad of the 1930s. Open bordersism can have similar catastrophic consequences.

    Perhaps we will be consumed by the consequences of misguided compassion. “The meek shall inherit the earth” will be more prophetic than we realize.

    We will need something drastic to wake us from our slumber or else we are a frog in a pot. Europe may be that storm glass since France seems bound for Lebanonization.

    Pacifism was shaken from us by the Axis. What will tear us from our induced, self-indulgent stupor of moral superiority?

  198. @Almost Missouri
    A quarter century ago, I worked for a contractor that, among other things, laid undersea telecommunications cable. Thanks to technical advances, at that time, the parts of the world that could afford undersea cable had all the cabling they wanted. But the contractor was a big company and didn't want to stop laying cable just because of a little thing like no one paying for it anymore. So they looked at at a global map and noticed that there were no cables around Africa. The reason was pretty obvious: Africans were poor and no one wanted to communicate with them, at least no one who can afford the nine+ figure price tag of new cabling.

    Undaunted (and facing a market slump), the corporate execs put together a proposal for one of the biggest cabling projects in history: a massive undersea cable encircling Africa with landings at every significant city, making all of coastal Africa, and eventually the interior, accessible to the global telecommunications network. (It had to be undersea, because overland cables would be subject to too much vibrancy and shrinkage. Also, Africans are even less interested in talking to other Africans than they are in talking to the First World. This was not part of the official pitch, for some reason.) Of course, Africans didn't care much about this stupid white man's project either, certainly not enough to chip in any money for it, so the execs pitched it to Western governments and aid organizations (i.e., unelected government organizations). Or, in other words, they knew Africans wouldn't pay for it, so they decided you could instead. I'm sure you know the rhetoric: "It may look like lost money now, but imagine the possibilities once telecommunication become cheap and widespread!' "African Einsteins", etc.

    Ultimately, that particular project was a little too ambitious for the globalists of those days.
    Nevertheless the same result did get built piecemeal in several other projects, partly financed the same way (i.e., by you). No African Einsteins are on the horizon yet, but the sciences of border-jumping and asylum-scamming are mushrooming and crowd-sourced, so there's that.

    Besides my deep misgivings about the costs and consequences of the project, it was for me also an early inkling that a free market does not equal a rational market, and that an open market is subject to perverse manipulation and influence. So paradoxically, one can only have free and open markets if they are implacably guarded and policed. Hence libertarianism can only destroy itself.

    Great post. Just to let you know I came along at this later date and appreciated it.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Thanks.
  199. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonym
    Due to the lack of gratitude expressed through words and action, I agree, it would have been better to just let Hitler and Stalin duke it out. Hitler was not anti-Western Europe or anti-Southern Europe at all. I suspect that if he could see what Russia looked like today he would not be anti-Eastern Europe either, as they successfully threw off the shackles of Jewish Communism fairly rapidly, and Communism after a few more decades. It looked pretty dire at the time.

    They used to say "If we hadn't defeated Hitler, we'd be speaking German now!". Without US and UK support there is a good chance that the Germans may have won. I think German would be a lot easier language to learn than Urdu or Mandarin or whatever language is spoken by the people who our elites want to replace us with.

    What good did Churchill accomplish? He lost the empire, and within a century Britain has become a place where Pakistani rape gangs prevail without punishment, London no longer appears majority ethnic British, and the Prime Minister criminalizes speaking out about it. A portrait of Churchill should appear in the dictionary next to the definition of Pyrrhic victory.

    The man who lost the empire was Chamberlain. The significance of Churchill was to ensure that the U.S. not Germany would benefit from this.

  200. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    A quarter century ago, I worked for a contractor that, among other things, laid undersea telecommunications cable. Thanks to technical advances, at that time, the parts of the world that could afford undersea cable had all the cabling they wanted. But the contractor was a big company and didn't want to stop laying cable just because of a little thing like no one paying for it anymore. So they looked at at a global map and noticed that there were no cables around Africa. The reason was pretty obvious: Africans were poor and no one wanted to communicate with them, at least no one who can afford the nine+ figure price tag of new cabling.

    Undaunted (and facing a market slump), the corporate execs put together a proposal for one of the biggest cabling projects in history: a massive undersea cable encircling Africa with landings at every significant city, making all of coastal Africa, and eventually the interior, accessible to the global telecommunications network. (It had to be undersea, because overland cables would be subject to too much vibrancy and shrinkage. Also, Africans are even less interested in talking to other Africans than they are in talking to the First World. This was not part of the official pitch, for some reason.) Of course, Africans didn't care much about this stupid white man's project either, certainly not enough to chip in any money for it, so the execs pitched it to Western governments and aid organizations (i.e., unelected government organizations). Or, in other words, they knew Africans wouldn't pay for it, so they decided you could instead. I'm sure you know the rhetoric: "It may look like lost money now, but imagine the possibilities once telecommunication become cheap and widespread!' "African Einsteins", etc.

    Ultimately, that particular project was a little too ambitious for the globalists of those days.
    Nevertheless the same result did get built piecemeal in several other projects, partly financed the same way (i.e., by you). No African Einsteins are on the horizon yet, but the sciences of border-jumping and asylum-scamming are mushrooming and crowd-sourced, so there's that.

    Besides my deep misgivings about the costs and consequences of the project, it was for me also an early inkling that a free market does not equal a rational market, and that an open market is subject to perverse manipulation and influence. So paradoxically, one can only have free and open markets if they are implacably guarded and policed. Hence libertarianism can only destroy itself.

    Nevertheless the same result did get built piecemeal in several other projects, partly financed the same way (i.e., by you)

    A quick look at the recent undersea cable projects around Africa seems to show that they were largely financed by South African telecom companies, with some mid-eastern and Chinese investment.

    And undersea cables are that way, for more reasons than possible theft.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I won't go into the convolutions of Ex-Im Bank, the IMF, loan guarantees, etc. financing, but you can rest assured that some of your tax money is in those cables.

    The first world has loads of overland cables and microwave towers. The African interior not so much.
  201. Let’s just give them all our magic dirt. All the Africans can come here, and we’ll all go over there. See how things look in, say, 25 years.

  202. @Bies Podkrakowski
    But England couldn't done this any other way. It was simply continuation of centuries old English policy: to be against any power that is trying to dominate the continent. Churchill had to choose: fight with relatively weaker opponent now or make peace and allow Germany to strengthen and build true oceanic fleet.

    I don't know but has Buchanan ever criticized England for fighting Napoleon? Only this time England was too weak to win.

    Worse, by putting hostile forces on Hitler’s western flank, the Western Allies sealed the victim populations of Central and Eastern Europe in, inadvertently activating the worst case version of Hitler’s plans, and cutting off the refugee* routes.
     
    Pre-war security guarantee for Poland was about preventing the war. What kind of rational leader wants to have war on two fronts? Only Hitler wasn't rational in traditional sense, Wehrmacht was better than anybody thought and French wasted two weeks when Polish army was doing meaningful fighting.

    Yes it’s true that Britain had a policy of opposing the most powerful continental power, using lesser powers to do the fighting and dying where possible, but doing their own fighting and dying where necessary. This policy led to the massive catastrophe of 1914-1918 however, which stripped a generation of men out of Europe and probably marked the beginning of the end of Western civilization. Even though WWI was technically a victory for the British, the cost was so high that the Establishment (what was left of it) wondered if it was really worth. Many thought not. Many eminent historians today agree with them.

    So if it was a mistake in 1914, could it have been correct in 1939? Possibly. But as Buchanan points out, the case is ambiguous. Even Churchill himself was ambivalent afterwards. “The Unnecessary War” was Churchill’s own suggestion for the name of the just finished conflict. Britain hadn’t saved Poland, the grounds for launching the war, and all the blood and suffering to crush Nazi Germany had ultimately empowered the even more bloody Soviet Union, which Britain was no longer strong enough to oppose without outside (American) help.

    Had Britain stood pat in 1939, wouldn’t that mean that Germany would have become more powerful under an odious dictator? Yes. So instead Britain attacked, and the Soviet Union became more powerful under an odious dictator. See the difference? Churchill didn’t much either.

    Worse, nationalism—even the aggressive expansionist nationalism of the Nazis—eventually burns itself out when it runs out of nationals to bear its burdens, while the supra-national Bolshevism of the Soviet Communists knows no such limits. Indeed, it may be said that Communism only derived validity from being supposedly universal, so for Communists to settle for anything less than global conquest is to concede illegitimacy. The Nazis were disappointed that they could only find a few thousand Germans who would actually go settle in the newly acquired lands in the east. The contradictions of expansive nationalism were already sapping the Nazi project. But with the Soviets, Churchill had conspired in empowering a new tyranny that was subject to no mere ethnic limits. Churchill devoted himself to opposing it for the rest of this life.

  203. @Mishra
    Great post. Just to let you know I came along at this later date and appreciated it.

    Thanks.

  204. @Anonymous

    Nevertheless the same result did get built piecemeal in several other projects, partly financed the same way (i.e., by you)
     
    A quick look at the recent undersea cable projects around Africa seems to show that they were largely financed by South African telecom companies, with some mid-eastern and Chinese investment.

    And undersea cables are that way, for more reasons than possible theft.

    I won’t go into the convolutions of Ex-Im Bank, the IMF, loan guarantees, etc. financing, but you can rest assured that some of your tax money is in those cables.

    The first world has loads of overland cables and microwave towers. The African interior not so much.

  205. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    This is Bolshevist propaganda. Hitler loved his fellow white slavic brothers and was attempting only to liberate them from Communism. Claims to the contrary are lies.

    I think this is satire, but it is true that very late in the war (1944-45) the Germans ditched (at least publicly) their anti-Slav rhetoric and began recruiting Russian and Ukrainian anti-Communists into their army. It was too little too late but it is interesting to speculate what would have happened if they had adopted this policy at the outset of the war instead of at the bitter end.

    Similarly the Confederacy began to recruit black soldiers at the very end of the Civil War. Again, it was too late to make a difference, but if this policy had been put in place in 1861 who knows what might have happened. Perhaps it wouldn’t have made a difference, or would simply have delayed the inevitable. (After all, South Africa and Rhodesia both employed large numbers of black soldiers, for all the good it did them.)

  206. @nebulafox
    The way things are going with modern politics in the United States, I'm pretty confident that East Africa will get high-speed rail before the US does. Say what you will about the Chinese, but their approach of treating the Africans as business partners rather than condescendingly as children to be fetishized (in a way, it's as I've said before: affluent white liberals really view blacks as objects for their own emotional needs more than anything. It's not respect or admiration, it is condescension, if of a subliminally paternal type. The reason black nationalism is not taken seriously is, in part, because of this condescension on the part of Western bien-pensants. Granted, that's better than being hated, a la the Deplorables in the West, but it is still dehumanizing) seems to be working pretty well. The Chinese don't question the local political arrangements, correctly assuming that the locals know their own culture best, whereas Beltway-logic declares that the highest importance, rather than introducing new infrastructure or security partnerships, is that Africans must be lectured by State Department SJWs on Jeffersonian democracy and modern American sexual norms. The Chinese openly acknowledge that they are there because of their own national interests rather than out of some sense of altruism: and the Africans are OK with that. I suspect the lack of hypocrisy and openness is refreshing.

    Birth-rates wise, though Kenya and Tanzania still have some work to do, their birth rates have begun to decline. They are sitting at about 4 and 5 kids per woman, respectively, compared to the 6-8 that is rife throughout much of the rest of the continent. (Rwanda, pretty much the template model for economic development in Africa, is a little bit lower, at 3.8.) Should current trends continue, they'll follow the path of much of the rest of the developed world here, and presumably, if Bush II and Obama (for different yet equally misguided reasons) were more willing to openly address the importance of emphasizing contraception and family planning in Africa, the numbers would have declined sooner.

    A big reason I often disagree with the hardcore racialists on this website is how well East Africa is doing relative to African-Americans, despite coming from far worse aggregate poverty over the past few decades. It's not just economically-in terms of social dysfunction, too, the over-the-top crime rates of American ghettoes would be unheard of. Of course, Africa is a huge place, and you also have massively screwed up places at the bottom of the barrel like Somalia or the Congo-the latter of which is a real shame considering the sheer amount of raw materials there. I'm personally of the opinion that if Kagame could annex the eastern part of the country, the lot of both the locals and the world as a whole would be massively improved. Nigeria is an interesting case in that the country has a lot of potential and isn't quite on the level of the Congo, but between overpopulation, massive corruption and governmental incompetence, the threat of radical Islam to the north... it'll be a massively important country in the mid-to-late 21st Century, for better or for worse. Unfortunately, it looks currently like it'll be for worse, and young Nigerians with an iota of ambition are planning their escape routes. Anyway, I'm no Africa expert and would happily be corrected by anybody who happens to be one, but it seems that one of the reasons East Africa got off to a bad start was because guys like Nyerere came to power in Tanzania (Neto in Angola is another example of this type, though not a good one since he died just as the civil war was ramping up) and naively copied the statist planning economies that were in vogue in educated circles in the developing world at the time. One thing that stands out about the first generation of East African colonials was, in contrast to militant groups led by psychopaths in the vein of the Bolsheviks or the Maoists or even bombastic incompetents like Sukarno or Mobutu, was that they meant well, but they axiomatically applied what they learned in the academy. They genuinely didn't know any better. However, over the last couple of decades, things have changed around those parts, and Israeli and Chinese investment has bootstrapped a lot of interesting stuff. Lot of hugely interesting tech startups dealing with trade in East Africa sprouting up in Asia, for example.

    This mistake of simply copying whatever the more advanced countries were doing without adjusting to local conditions was far from limited to the left-wing in the Cold War, I might add: one of the big reasons's behind the Shah's downfall in Iran was his unquestioning application of everything "Western" to his society, above all, from the US. It's not that it didn't work, per se-Iran became much more affluent and modernized during his reign. But he didn't adapt his political system to accommodate how fast he wanted to go, socially, economically, and above all, in making Iran more secular and attached to its old Persian identity at Islam's expense. (It certainly didn't help that his land reforms targeted the ulema clergy, and of course, that the White Revolution created a lot of jobless graduates that were easy pickings for the Islamists.) King Faisal in Saudi Arabia hauntingly reminded him in one letter when the Shah exhorted him to reform and liberalize his country that he ruled a Muslim country, not Sweden or France.

    Thanks, great comment.

    Regarding the new colonialism, the Chinese have the benefit of Europe’s imperial history. It has provided a blueprint of what to do and what not to do. I imagine there’s a general dynamic in play here, the same one that led to humans knowing which plants will kill you if you eat them.

  207. @Almost Missouri

    "almost all the Fellowship did."
     
    Minus their Christ-figure, Gandalf.

    Minus their Christ-figure, Gandalf.

    Never underestimate the power of resurrecting the dead.

  208. @Romanian
    I have to say, Steve, you are an incredible source of food for thought. I have been giving links to your pithy comments to people who might be receptive to them and I always learn something new.

    Also, damn! This is the world in which, if I am lucky, I will spend the next 50 years. As Thomas Paine said, may the trouble come in our time, so that our children may know peace.

    Fifty years, sorry to hear that. I’ve got only 12–15. The near-term future of the West makes dying look not so bad by comparison.

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