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  1. In theory, it is good to be very very rich. In America, this man’s time wealth and freedom have just become limited. We do not need anywhere near this much truth when we can have so much more truthiness.

  2. Kasich voted for McCain today!

    These nevertrump a-holes are probably going to form a gang alliance in the senate with the donks and try to totally block Trump’s first 100 days agenda.

    Nevertrumpers are taking it to the grave.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Fortunately Kasich isn't in the Senate...
    , @Olorin

    Nevertrumpers are taking it to the grave.
     
    If only.

    If only.
    , @Kyle
    Never trumpers are old and out of touch. They think Hispanic outreach is the future of the Republican party. They haven't come to grasp with the fact that 1 out of every 6 people weren't born in the country. There is no future for a Republican party, there are only keynesian globalists versus socialist nationalists.
  3. In America, this man’s time wealth and freedom have just become limited.

    I don’t follow. What do you mean by this?

    • Replies: @CK
    Read up on Brendan Eich.
    Do not be a naif. In this country if you are a tall poppy
    you get lopped. Watch the interview, the interviewer is
    doing everything but actual threats ... Read the Esquire diatribe
    aimed at " celebrities" who have somehow not endorsed and
    clapped loudly for Hillary. Do a wee bit of searching on " shadow
    banning" on twitter.
    The left has always loved to unperson honourable people.
  4. People should be careful voting for Trump. In 20 years, the PC ideologues then in charge may dig out that data and the Trump voters may suffer consequences, much like during Stalinist purges. Thiel is brave.

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    20 years? What about two? If Hillary wins expect the Trump contribution list to be the IRS audit list.
    , @Anonymous
    The PC ideologues/BLM supporters/SJWs/racial grievancemongers may well have to find new digs doing those jobs the illegals left behind after Trump is elected.

    Voting is a private process, anyway.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Agreed. I'm not proud of it, but I quit donating to political candidates once it became clear that I'd forever be in public databases for doing so. I guess I could always send cash, but it's hard to trust strangers.
  5. A normal country doesn’t have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @Danindc
    Yes, purge the genius businessman who puts his ass on the line defending Trump and has an optimistic message about the way forward. You should run campaigns!
    , @Polynikes
    This isn't true. He was"in the closet" and private before he was outed by the left wing media.


    I've liked him ever since I saw his program encouraging talented students to drop out of college. That was way before anyone knew he was gay.
    , @Glossy
    He's right on so many other issues that I forgive him this one.
    , @Emmanuel Goldstein
    Fyi, he was a closeted gay until Gawker outed him, not a gay marriage "champion". Most smart gay men I know (and I know several gay STEM sciences PhDs) never march for gay marriage.
    , @Neil Templeton
    I oppose gay marriage and support abortion (with male choice). So what? These are merely bits of froth and flotsam on the surface. The serpent to be slain lies many fathoms deeper, vigilant and deadly, safely harbored, contemptuous and vile. Would you insult a man who calls out the truth, in order to slander him for trifles?
    , @anonitron1
    Gay marriage and abortion are the Iraq and Afghanistan of right-wing politics - endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one's benefit save the people they're distracting us from.
    , @Anonymous
    Whatever, keep on frantically spouting off the feeble attempts to get people to vote for the Hildabeast.
    , @Wilkey
    "A normal country doesn’t have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal."

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It's a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.

    To the extent that homosexuality is a problem, it is only that so many homosexuals care so little about the future of the country since they have no progeny to be part of it. Thiel actually takes an interest in our future despite being gay, yet you berate him for it.

    Just go away, troll.
    , @Anon
    "which is, I guess, the new normal."

    Actually, the old normal, BJ (Before Jew).
    , @bored identity
    The Rainbow Choo-Choo has left the station a long time ago.

    Would you engage yourself in deviant sex with Peter Thiel, if that act of sacrifice is the only thing in the world that automatically grants Trump the unalienable right to slide his orange butt on that leather chair in the Oval Office ?

    Based on your facial expression, it seems you're trying to pretend like you've been unjustly cornered with some kind of Sophie's Choice.

    Take your time.

    Your sphincter has started slowly to relax, because your inner libertarian senses how Thiel is not only a formidable ally, but actually quite a decent person for being a billionaire.

    Be glad that Peter The Bedfellow is ready to share a bed with deplorables of all kinds.
    , @ATX Hipster
    Thiel is with us on the only issues that matter. Gay marriage is a triviality. If it's really important to you, settle it sometime after we've stopped the process of being replaced by a new electorate.
    , @This Is Our Home
    You are an idiot and Thiel is a hero.

    Please stop being an idiot and making the perfect the enemy of the great. I personally could not care less about whether gays have wedding pageants or not. Yes, it was forced through for obnoxious reasons and via obnoxious means but whatever really, there are big issues at stake in this election and Thiel is willing to sacrifice big to help fix them.

    If Trump wins, Thiel 2024.

    If Trump loses, Thiel 2020.

    Either way he would make a great, highly-articulate and very likeable candidate with proven values.
    , @Percy Gryce
    Even if it's not the most pressing question of the moment, it's a fair question: Is sodomitic pseudogamy the normal social arrangement of a normal country?

    And remember how got there: First it was the Obama administration that failed to uphold our country's marriage laws (just as it failed to uphold our immigration laws). Then it was the ravings of a single, deeply troubled lawyer in a black robe who declared that any legal critique of homosexualism is irrational.

    If the SCOTUS can turn night into day, black into white, and sodomy into matrimony, why can't it declare some kind of perpetual amnesty? In fact, that seems less a reach than overturning two millennia of Western family law.

    I've long said that the immigration hawks ignore the social issues at your (our) peril.
  6. @Emmanuel Goldstein
    People should be careful voting for Trump. In 20 years, the PC ideologues then in charge may dig out that data and the Trump voters may suffer consequences, much like during Stalinist purges. Thiel is brave.

    20 years? What about two? If Hillary wins expect the Trump contribution list to be the IRS audit list.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I didn't contribute because I am a prof at a very liberal college. It would not take much for a couple of girls to makeup that I grabbed their butt. I keep my door open and a table where they sit across from me, but they would be believed, especially over a Trump supporting white male. Trump's completely unsupported accusers got front page news. That puts a target on every guy's back.

    We definitely have the people in the Afro- latino or women's studies department who might even suggest that maybe the girls were harassed in a way that they did not realize at the time. Just like that poor guy at Occidental.

    One or two complaints I might survive, after that the Dean gets rid of me no matter my contributions to the school.

    That is how PC enforces its dictates.
  7. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    Yes, purge the genius businessman who puts his ass on the line defending Trump and has an optimistic message about the way forward. You should run campaigns!

    • Replies: @BB753
    With "conservative" allies like Thiel you don't need liberal adversaries.
  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I like Thiel but I think he’s significantly motivated by the prospect of a more dirigiste crony capitalist political economy that he’d benefit from. He’s primarily been a successful rent-seeker – his main business successes are getting in early on rent-seeking network effect businesses like PayPal and Facebook and government contractors like Palantir. His forays into more competitive markets have been less successful. His hedge fund Clarium Capital has notably been a failure. His recent book on entrepreneurship is basically an apologia for rent-seeking and argues against competition.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Hmm. Arguably, the (failed) hedge fund was rent-seeking, while the (successful) PayPal, Palantir and Fecesbook were competitive businesses.
    , @Lot

    rent-seeking network effect businesses
     
    Network effect is a completely different thing than rent seeking. It would be rent seeking if Thiel lobbied the government to prohibit new competitors from entering that space.

    I think he’s significantly motivated by the prospect of a more dirigiste crony capitalist political economy that he’d benefit from
     
    He's been a public-spirited man ever since his college days when he stood up to Stanford's PC enforcers. If he only cared about money he'd just keep his mouth shut rather than alienate all the tech lefties by going full on MAGA.
  9. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    This isn’t true. He was”in the closet” and private before he was outed by the left wing media.

    I’ve liked him ever since I saw his program encouraging talented students to drop out of college. That was way before anyone knew he was gay.

    • Replies: @BB753
    I don't care how long he was in the closet. The fact is, he's no longer in the closet and now supports the whole homosexualist agenda. I'd rather have Brendan Eich on board than Thiel. Did Thiel do anything to prevent Eich's being watsoned and fired from Mozilla? I guess not, because he supports gay marriage and gay rights and gay everything.
  10. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    He’s right on so many other issues that I forgive him this one.

    • Agree: L Woods
  11. …so help us Zorro:

    Make_America_Normal_Again_and_Build_The_Wall.jpg (JPEG Image, 403 × 508 pixels)

    Hey, Steve, all I’m sayin’ is give this JPEG a chance…

    Ron Unz:
    So if you have a relatively early comment, your videos and images will be expanded, but if it’s a later comment, they’ll remain as links.

  12. @Danindc
    Yes, purge the genius businessman who puts his ass on the line defending Trump and has an optimistic message about the way forward. You should run campaigns!

    With “conservative” allies like Thiel you don’t need liberal adversaries.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    It may not need to be a big tent but it needs to be bigger than a closet.....with apologies to Thiel
    , @CK
    No enemies on the right. None. Take your purity and expound upon it AFTER the victory.
    There are not all the many alternatives for you. Ron Paul is a pure man. He is also not President nor chairman of the Fed nor anything else of importance; but he is pure of heart and will never be on the winning side. He can kvetch but he will not procure a victory.
    If your purity is such that Thiel cannot be in your world ... leave.
    For once just for once I want what is best in life for us ...Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
    That is not so much to ask now is it?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    With “conservative” allies like Thiel you don’t need liberal adversaries
     
    "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons." - Winston Churchill

    We need a team effort. If you want to rigidly enforce a narrow perspective, then you will have too few players to field a team.

    You are ceding the battlefield - and doing the bidding of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    We need Thiel, and Milo, and Dierdre, and Caitlyn Jennings, and who knows how many others to resist the Bolsheviks.
    , @Jack D
    The reason the Coalition of the Fringes exists in the first place as a winning (or near winning) coalition instead of a small bunch of disaffected losers is that too many people felt that unless they met the standards of moral and racial and religious and gender perfection of conservatism that they had no place in it. And the reason they felt that way was because there were folks like you acting as the Purity Police who were ready to excommunicate them from the church of conservatism if they fell short in any way. I don't think you can elect a President (or anyone else outside of Utah) with just the Mormon vote (and maybe you can't even allow them in your club, what with their strange heretical religion.) By the time you are done disqualify everyone, there will be like you and two other old white guys in your club.
  13. If Hillary wins, perhaps Trump and Thiel could fund some alternative news channels and publications which actually challenge the establishment.

  14. @Polynikes
    This isn't true. He was"in the closet" and private before he was outed by the left wing media.


    I've liked him ever since I saw his program encouraging talented students to drop out of college. That was way before anyone knew he was gay.

    I don’t care how long he was in the closet. The fact is, he’s no longer in the closet and now supports the whole homosexualist agenda. I’d rather have Brendan Eich on board than Thiel. Did Thiel do anything to prevent Eich’s being watsoned and fired from Mozilla? I guess not, because he supports gay marriage and gay rights and gay everything.

  15. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    Fyi, he was a closeted gay until Gawker outed him, not a gay marriage “champion”. Most smart gay men I know (and I know several gay STEM sciences PhDs) never march for gay marriage.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    That's because being gay or bi to them is a privacy thing. Not all gays are oor the attention whoring variety.

    I can see going forward lesbians being outlawed and gay men allowed to marry, for social stability sake.
  16. @BB753
    With "conservative" allies like Thiel you don't need liberal adversaries.

    It may not need to be a big tent but it needs to be bigger than a closet…..with apologies to Thiel

  17. @Anonymous
    I like Thiel but I think he's significantly motivated by the prospect of a more dirigiste crony capitalist political economy that he'd benefit from. He's primarily been a successful rent-seeker - his main business successes are getting in early on rent-seeking network effect businesses like PayPal and Facebook and government contractors like Palantir. His forays into more competitive markets have been less successful. His hedge fund Clarium Capital has notably been a failure. His recent book on entrepreneurship is basically an apologia for rent-seeking and argues against competition.

    Hmm. Arguably, the (failed) hedge fund was rent-seeking, while the (successful) PayPal, Palantir and Fecesbook were competitive businesses.

  18. @Anonymous
    I like Thiel but I think he's significantly motivated by the prospect of a more dirigiste crony capitalist political economy that he'd benefit from. He's primarily been a successful rent-seeker - his main business successes are getting in early on rent-seeking network effect businesses like PayPal and Facebook and government contractors like Palantir. His forays into more competitive markets have been less successful. His hedge fund Clarium Capital has notably been a failure. His recent book on entrepreneurship is basically an apologia for rent-seeking and argues against competition.

    rent-seeking network effect businesses

    Network effect is a completely different thing than rent seeking. It would be rent seeking if Thiel lobbied the government to prohibit new competitors from entering that space.

    I think he’s significantly motivated by the prospect of a more dirigiste crony capitalist political economy that he’d benefit from

    He’s been a public-spirited man ever since his college days when he stood up to Stanford’s PC enforcers. If he only cared about money he’d just keep his mouth shut rather than alienate all the tech lefties by going full on MAGA.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The more conventional, libertarian-ish conception of rent-seeking narrowly restricts it to government lobbying, for obvious reasons. There are also conceptions of rent-seeking that incorporate the network effect, since obviously the government provides the things like property rights that allows rent-seekers to capture the rent from the network effect.

    I never said "he only cared about money". Obviously he has other ambitions, but those ambitions probably depend on him having money to pursue them.
  19. One of the reasons I lost some respect for libertarianism is best exemplified when Thiel says the US should adopt prison reform to make our sentencing system more like the Euro systems.

    Meanwhile, Europe is starting to realize it’s justice system cannot cope with third world POCs because they are extremely different in temperament, disposition and propensity to commit violence.

    I know many autistic geniuses like Thiel and the one thing they all do is notice. He notices the elements of HBD but I believe maintains this prison nonsense to virtue signal.

    • Replies: @Emmanuel Goldstein
    I agree: the Third World countries have the third world justice for a reason. A civilized justice system there would not be able to cope with the propensity to commit crime of the NAM populaces...
    , @Neil Templeton
    Just as the brilliant insight of a genius does not prove the worth of all he declares, so the wretchedness of a scoundrel does not make his every action evil or intemperate.
    , @Kyle
    He is not autistic. I don't know where you all are getting the idea that geniuses are autistic. Have you ever been around an autistic person? There is no autism spectrum, that's just BS to make the parents feel better about their children.
  20. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Cwhatfuture
    20 years? What about two? If Hillary wins expect the Trump contribution list to be the IRS audit list.

    I didn’t contribute because I am a prof at a very liberal college. It would not take much for a couple of girls to makeup that I grabbed their butt. I keep my door open and a table where they sit across from me, but they would be believed, especially over a Trump supporting white male. Trump’s completely unsupported accusers got front page news. That puts a target on every guy’s back.

    We definitely have the people in the Afro- latino or women’s studies department who might even suggest that maybe the girls were harassed in a way that they did not realize at the time. Just like that poor guy at Occidental.

    One or two complaints I might survive, after that the Dean gets rid of me no matter my contributions to the school.

    That is how PC enforces its dictates.

    • Replies: @e
    Have you ever considered quitting your job and finding one at a NOT "very liberal college" or have you decided to stay where you are? MIght you consider moving for principles and peace of mind?

    Sorry for asking such a personal question, but I am thinking that certain personality traits reveal themselves in the choices we make.

    , @Cwhatfuture
    It is bad everywhere but not quite that bad out of academia. But institutional instincts in this country are almost all bad now and they are getting worse. I have no doubt a 19 year old girl would accuse you for nothing, except a political disagreement. Why? Because she can. The institution would reflexively support her. Not because she is a woman, but because you are a conservative. No one in our media found it slightly unbelievable that a woman claimed that in a first class cabin, she was purposefully seated next to Trump for his amusement, that he grabbed her breasts and put his hand between her legs, and that she ran back to economy - and no one noticed.
    , @Ben Frank
    Academic freedom is great until you try to use it.
    , @Kristen
    I, too, am at a liberal college and am keeping my head down ... for now. (Female, conservative-libertarian, and in the humanities.)

    Wouldn't it be wonderful if a rich person funded a new university? I keep dreaming and hoping, but the years are ticking past. I could easily come up with a list of closeted conservative top-notch scholars who could shake-up academe, if given the protection of a new university. I'm sure you could too.

    Sigh.
    , @Kurt van Ghoye
    It's time to take our centers of learning back. It is time to reclaim our history. It is time to drown out the voices who connive to dispossess us with the power of ink and pixel. It is time to dig moats around Truth and raise the drawbridges. It is time to join forces in defense of what is right by forming orders of the stout progenitors of future lineages. Impossible? Pshaw. We know how to organize and execute. We also know how to bide our time. For the culture and people with the greatest accomplishments in history to their name, why should it pose the slightest difficulty not merely to regain tolerance for their way of life, but to secure its perpetual hegemony? The shift will be sudden when it comes. It will be enduring and it will be just. In the meantime, we must grow strong in wealth, in friends, in knowledge and conviction. And when the trumpets sound we will step into the day, assume our positions at lecterns and pulpits and consoles, and resume the administration of our nations as if there had never been the least interruption. Take heart ye brethren, and grow strong!
  21. The irony is that when President Trump wins, if Thiel’s businesses receive ANY good thing from the government—i.e. avoiding an anti-trust lawsuit, having an IRS audit dropped, securing a government contract—, it will be front-page headlines in the NY Times, WaPO, CNN< and MSNBC for months.

    They'll run stories about it every day, while the Op-Ed columnists will be railing about "pay for play" all day. It doesn't matter how minor, Thiel will be crucified as a thief and President Trump as bought-and-sold.

    Meanwhile, Hillary relaxing anti-trust regulations for donors? Unmentioned. Bob Creamer and Google visiting the White house at a rate of once a week? Why report it? Saudi Arabia being Hillary's biggest donor, and then we fight wars in the Mideast against the Saudi enemies? ISLAMAPHOBE.

    • Replies: @Thea
    If Trump wins it will be such a total repudiation of the media that no one will listen.
    , @Mike
    You've just outlined what I consider to be the principal reason to vote for Trump.

    I am against the Imperial Executive.
  22. @Yak-15
    One of the reasons I lost some respect for libertarianism is best exemplified when Thiel says the US should adopt prison reform to make our sentencing system more like the Euro systems.

    Meanwhile, Europe is starting to realize it's justice system cannot cope with third world POCs because they are extremely different in temperament, disposition and propensity to commit violence.

    I know many autistic geniuses like Thiel and the one thing they all do is notice. He notices the elements of HBD but I believe maintains this prison nonsense to virtue signal.

    I agree: the Third World countries have the third world justice for a reason. A civilized justice system there would not be able to cope with the propensity to commit crime of the NAM populaces…

    • Replies: @Blosky
    I disagree. NAM population could be easily controlled. But there is no will.
    , @Neoconned
    I actually read a few of the sharia sentences and they fit the crime......or are similar to what we do here at least.

    If I went to Saudi or Iran as a tourist I'd be treated as a guest unless I did something that would constitute a felony even here.....
  23. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    I oppose gay marriage and support abortion (with male choice). So what? These are merely bits of froth and flotsam on the surface. The serpent to be slain lies many fathoms deeper, vigilant and deadly, safely harbored, contemptuous and vile. Would you insult a man who calls out the truth, in order to slander him for trifles?

  24. @Opinionator
    In America, this man’s time wealth and freedom have just become limited.

    I don't follow. What do you mean by this?

    Read up on Brendan Eich.
    Do not be a naif. In this country if you are a tall poppy
    you get lopped. Watch the interview, the interviewer is
    doing everything but actual threats … Read the Esquire diatribe
    aimed at ” celebrities” who have somehow not endorsed and
    clapped loudly for Hillary. Do a wee bit of searching on ” shadow
    banning” on twitter.
    The left has always loved to unperson honourable people.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Okay, I think I get it. You are saying that Thiel is going to pay a heavy price for this.
  25. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    Gay marriage and abortion are the Iraq and Afghanistan of right-wing politics – endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one’s benefit save the people they’re distracting us from.

    • Agree: Lot, Kyle McKenna, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @BB753
    I merely followed Thiels's train of thought. Let's return to normality. Why stop with gay marriage?
    , @Johnnywalker123
    Well said.
    , @Jack Highlands
    "Gay marriage and abortion are . . . endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one’s benefit save the people they’re distracting us from."

    I've heard similar argument from libertarians: 'why the mindless squabbles about reproduction when the economy is at stake?'

    They're wrong. Sex and reproduction are primal to all else. War, culture, civilization, the economy are just layered on top. Without patriarchy, civilization inevitably declines toward extinction. Gay marriage and abortion are part of the war on patriarchy.
    , @Comey the Clown
    Abortion only became a quagmire for the right when it degenerated into fundie virtue-signaling ("I do so care about the lil' fetus"). As an institution it's bad for the same reason birth control is: the social coarsening effect. Yet few pro-life rank & file can articulate this, instead believe they're actually paladins saving the fetus in distress. Then there is the really pathetic schism over the "rape exception." No consistent pro-lifer would be fooled by this spurious wedge, but guess who gets painted "extremist" by the more consensus-minded official pro-life frauds... also the Catholics have introduced deliberate fog by somehow conflating it with the death penalty and permanent welfare checks.

    Gay marriage destroys society as we know it from a different path. I think it should be OK for conservatives to de-prioritize it, but the (very common circa 2002) cuckservative meme that gay nuptials were "better than the alternative" looks sillier with passing years.
    , @Bugg
    Trump, is a surprisingly nuanced response to the abortion issue in the last debate noted overturning Roe merely drops the whole mess into the laps of the 50 states. Not sure he grasped how much a half loaf that is to some on the right. Nor how conservative and federalist that would be.

    Gay marriage, same thing; want to live as a gay or lesbian couple,move to a liberal state. And have the discussion in the state legislature. To Trump's credit, appears to want to tone down the volume on social issues. And really they get the GOPe nowhere and lose suburban middle class typical white people.

    The real fight is going to be polygamy, especially when it comes to poor hands out Islamic immigrants. There has always been strong public policy argument against it because most men simply cannot support all their wives and children, thus dropping said children's issues on the state. Further societies that feature polygamy inevitably also have a large single male sexually-unhappy population.

    Perhaps this has been the big secret support among Utah LDS for Moby Virgin McMullin who have opposed Trump looking to restore The Principle long term. McMullin, of course, he of a long top secret career in the CIA and then a job with Goldman Sachs and then Congress, but never had time for a wife. Right.
  26. I like the National Press Club “interviewer”/shill for Hillary

    “Are you concerned about Trump’s comments on women/Muslims?”

    “What about Trump’s tax return?”

    “What if Trump throws all gays into the oven?”

    Or something.

    If a jagoff like him asked me those questions I’d simply hold up a mirror and remind him of Hillary’s manifold crimes against humanity. I didn’t think Thiel handled the questions very nimbly, but I welcome his support.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    The questions posed to Thiel were a generous insight to the Nat'l Press Club and audience. The loaded assumption was that Trump is beyond the pale, and that Washington elites determine The Narrative and agenda. Revealing.
  27. @Emmanuel Goldstein
    People should be careful voting for Trump. In 20 years, the PC ideologues then in charge may dig out that data and the Trump voters may suffer consequences, much like during Stalinist purges. Thiel is brave.

    The PC ideologues/BLM supporters/SJWs/racial grievancemongers may well have to find new digs doing those jobs the illegals left behind after Trump is elected.

    Voting is a private process, anyway.

  28. @BB753
    With "conservative" allies like Thiel you don't need liberal adversaries.

    No enemies on the right. None. Take your purity and expound upon it AFTER the victory.
    There are not all the many alternatives for you. Ron Paul is a pure man. He is also not President nor chairman of the Fed nor anything else of importance; but he is pure of heart and will never be on the winning side. He can kvetch but he will not procure a victory.
    If your purity is such that Thiel cannot be in your world … leave.
    For once just for once I want what is best in life for us …Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
    That is not so much to ask now is it?

    • Replies: @BB753
    This guy is not even on the right. I don't trust him. And you're naive to trust people like Thiel.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic

    No enemies on the right. None. Take your purity and expound upon it AFTER the victory.
     
    Exactimundo. This is political warfare, not debate over precious, precious principle.
    , @Fran Macadam
    "For once just for once I want what is best in life for us …Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
    That is not so much to ask now is it?"

    Not if you're John Milius.
  29. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    Whatever, keep on frantically spouting off the feeble attempts to get people to vote for the Hildabeast.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    Yeah, because Hildabeast is the anti-gay candidate of choice.
  30. @Yak-15
    One of the reasons I lost some respect for libertarianism is best exemplified when Thiel says the US should adopt prison reform to make our sentencing system more like the Euro systems.

    Meanwhile, Europe is starting to realize it's justice system cannot cope with third world POCs because they are extremely different in temperament, disposition and propensity to commit violence.

    I know many autistic geniuses like Thiel and the one thing they all do is notice. He notices the elements of HBD but I believe maintains this prison nonsense to virtue signal.

    Just as the brilliant insight of a genius does not prove the worth of all he declares, so the wretchedness of a scoundrel does not make his every action evil or intemperate.

  31. @CK
    No enemies on the right. None. Take your purity and expound upon it AFTER the victory.
    There are not all the many alternatives for you. Ron Paul is a pure man. He is also not President nor chairman of the Fed nor anything else of importance; but he is pure of heart and will never be on the winning side. He can kvetch but he will not procure a victory.
    If your purity is such that Thiel cannot be in your world ... leave.
    For once just for once I want what is best in life for us ...Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
    That is not so much to ask now is it?

    This guy is not even on the right. I don’t trust him. And you’re naive to trust people like Thiel.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Baffling statement, he has fought for the right on every issue of consequence since he was an undergraduate at Stanford in the late 1980's. He fought Jesse Jackson and his attempt to destroy the undergraduate requirements for Western Civilization at Stanford, and he has spoken out forcefully for that and against P.C. as well against De-industrialization and illegal immigration. Meanwhile, most billionaires not only support all of those things, but fund them actively. However because he is gay, you can't trust him, got it.
    , @CK
    You are the only one talking about trust.
    Victory first. Defeat Hillary and every evil thing she and her minions of darkness stand for.
    Defeat her RINO allies and grind their bones into dust and their memories erase from the record of history.
    Make certain that it is we who count the vote ... and distrust those who do the counting; the Bundy's learned to their dismay that their were 15 rats in their compound. It is safe to assume that there are many rats and Rinos in ours.
    Trust, the word, falls between trap and truthiness in the dictionary.
  32. @anonitron1
    Gay marriage and abortion are the Iraq and Afghanistan of right-wing politics - endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one's benefit save the people they're distracting us from.

    I merely followed Thiels’s train of thought. Let’s return to normality. Why stop with gay marriage?

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Why start with it?
  33. @CK
    No enemies on the right. None. Take your purity and expound upon it AFTER the victory.
    There are not all the many alternatives for you. Ron Paul is a pure man. He is also not President nor chairman of the Fed nor anything else of importance; but he is pure of heart and will never be on the winning side. He can kvetch but he will not procure a victory.
    If your purity is such that Thiel cannot be in your world ... leave.
    For once just for once I want what is best in life for us ...Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
    That is not so much to ask now is it?

    No enemies on the right. None. Take your purity and expound upon it AFTER the victory.

    Exactimundo. This is political warfare, not debate over precious, precious principle.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I think it goes beyond expediency.

    The right of tomorrow is not the right of yesterday. Like BB753, I pine for the days of one man-one woman marriage and the days of pre-Game romantic sentimentality. I also want to live in a world without AI and eugenics. But we're never going to get that place in the future unless our power sources dry up, which is far in the future if ever.
    , @Corvinus
    "Exactimundo. This is political warfare, not debate over precious, precious principle."

    Political warfare predicated upon principles that ought to be embraced and upheld by the Alt-Right, like race realism and anti-crony capitalism. Why you dare not admit that fact is beyond me.
  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    rent-seeking network effect businesses
     
    Network effect is a completely different thing than rent seeking. It would be rent seeking if Thiel lobbied the government to prohibit new competitors from entering that space.

    I think he’s significantly motivated by the prospect of a more dirigiste crony capitalist political economy that he’d benefit from
     
    He's been a public-spirited man ever since his college days when he stood up to Stanford's PC enforcers. If he only cared about money he'd just keep his mouth shut rather than alienate all the tech lefties by going full on MAGA.

    The more conventional, libertarian-ish conception of rent-seeking narrowly restricts it to government lobbying, for obvious reasons. There are also conceptions of rent-seeking that incorporate the network effect, since obviously the government provides the things like property rights that allows rent-seekers to capture the rent from the network effect.

    I never said “he only cared about money”. Obviously he has other ambitions, but those ambitions probably depend on him having money to pursue them.

    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
    You have no idea what rent seeking means. There is no evidence that Facebook or PayPal used government aid/government regulation to get started. Network effects are not rent seeking unless you have bribed government officials to get it. Facebook beat the more established MySpace and PayPal filled the space left by the big credit card companies (although they are more rent seeking now as government has become more interventionist). If you want to talk about a slimy Silicon Valley venture the winner is Vinod Khosla.
    He bought one of the best wind surfing beaches in the world (near where the Mavericks competition is held) closed it to the surfers and then tried to sell it back for a large profit
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Vinod-Khosla-wants-30-million-for-Martins-Beach-6847689.php

    He also looted subsidies for renewable energy:
    http://fortune.com/kior-vinod-khosla-clean-tech/
    , @Lot
    Your non-standard conception of rent-seeking as "capturing rent" from "government provided" property rights is so broad that it would include nearly all business activity.

    They may be monopolies deserving of antitrust regulation, but you do not need to rent-seek to establish a monopoly.

    While libertarians are really fond of saying "rent seeking," it is a concept in standard mainstream economics with a precise meaning.
  35. @Anon
    I didn't contribute because I am a prof at a very liberal college. It would not take much for a couple of girls to makeup that I grabbed their butt. I keep my door open and a table where they sit across from me, but they would be believed, especially over a Trump supporting white male. Trump's completely unsupported accusers got front page news. That puts a target on every guy's back.

    We definitely have the people in the Afro- latino or women's studies department who might even suggest that maybe the girls were harassed in a way that they did not realize at the time. Just like that poor guy at Occidental.

    One or two complaints I might survive, after that the Dean gets rid of me no matter my contributions to the school.

    That is how PC enforces its dictates.

    Have you ever considered quitting your job and finding one at a NOT “very liberal college” or have you decided to stay where you are? MIght you consider moving for principles and peace of mind?

    Sorry for asking such a personal question, but I am thinking that certain personality traits reveal themselves in the choices we make.

    • Replies: @Thea
    We people like him in positions like his.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    We need infiltrators behind enemy lines, asking indirect questions about the absurdities embodied in the institution, advocating for truth, encouraging the perspicacious, and above all, undermining the narrative.

    If one's peace of mind is at risk, then yes, move. But if you can subvert the Left, then stay and whisper the truth to the receptive.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they're currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)
  36. @whorefinder
    The irony is that when President Trump wins, if Thiel's businesses receive ANY good thing from the government---i.e. avoiding an anti-trust lawsuit, having an IRS audit dropped, securing a government contract---, it will be front-page headlines in the NY Times, WaPO, CNN< and MSNBC for months.

    They'll run stories about it every day, while the Op-Ed columnists will be railing about "pay for play" all day. It doesn't matter how minor, Thiel will be crucified as a thief and President Trump as bought-and-sold.

    Meanwhile, Hillary relaxing anti-trust regulations for donors? Unmentioned. Bob Creamer and Google visiting the White house at a rate of once a week? Why report it? Saudi Arabia being Hillary's biggest donor, and then we fight wars in the Mideast against the Saudi enemies? ISLAMAPHOBE.

    If Trump wins it will be such a total repudiation of the media that no one will listen.

  37. • Replies: @ic1000
    Re: WikiLeaks tweet, "US DoJ Assistant AG briefing Congress about the Huma Abedin email investigation is Peter Kadzik. This Peter Kadzik."

    CBS This Morning (7 am Eastern) led off with twinned stories of Clinton's email problem (Weiner's laptop) and Trump's email problem (Manafort's Russia ties).

    When discussing the Clinton developments, the reporter voice-overed about the Dept. of Justice duly investigating, while flashing an image of an official-looking letter on DoJ letterhead. You could barely make out Peter Kadzik on the signature line.

    Brazen.

    After watching this TV show that is ostensibly about the news, Nice Liberal Ladies (etc.) will know less about current developments, than if they'd turned to Inside Edition or Mister Ed reruns.
  38. @e
    Have you ever considered quitting your job and finding one at a NOT "very liberal college" or have you decided to stay where you are? MIght you consider moving for principles and peace of mind?

    Sorry for asking such a personal question, but I am thinking that certain personality traits reveal themselves in the choices we make.

    We people like him in positions like his.

  39. @anonitron1
    Gay marriage and abortion are the Iraq and Afghanistan of right-wing politics - endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one's benefit save the people they're distracting us from.

    Well said.

  40. @Anon
    I didn't contribute because I am a prof at a very liberal college. It would not take much for a couple of girls to makeup that I grabbed their butt. I keep my door open and a table where they sit across from me, but they would be believed, especially over a Trump supporting white male. Trump's completely unsupported accusers got front page news. That puts a target on every guy's back.

    We definitely have the people in the Afro- latino or women's studies department who might even suggest that maybe the girls were harassed in a way that they did not realize at the time. Just like that poor guy at Occidental.

    One or two complaints I might survive, after that the Dean gets rid of me no matter my contributions to the school.

    That is how PC enforces its dictates.

    It is bad everywhere but not quite that bad out of academia. But institutional instincts in this country are almost all bad now and they are getting worse. I have no doubt a 19 year old girl would accuse you for nothing, except a political disagreement. Why? Because she can. The institution would reflexively support her. Not because she is a woman, but because you are a conservative. No one in our media found it slightly unbelievable that a woman claimed that in a first class cabin, she was purposefully seated next to Trump for his amusement, that he grabbed her breasts and put his hand between her legs, and that she ran back to economy – and no one noticed.

  41. @whorefinder
    The irony is that when President Trump wins, if Thiel's businesses receive ANY good thing from the government---i.e. avoiding an anti-trust lawsuit, having an IRS audit dropped, securing a government contract---, it will be front-page headlines in the NY Times, WaPO, CNN< and MSNBC for months.

    They'll run stories about it every day, while the Op-Ed columnists will be railing about "pay for play" all day. It doesn't matter how minor, Thiel will be crucified as a thief and President Trump as bought-and-sold.

    Meanwhile, Hillary relaxing anti-trust regulations for donors? Unmentioned. Bob Creamer and Google visiting the White house at a rate of once a week? Why report it? Saudi Arabia being Hillary's biggest donor, and then we fight wars in the Mideast against the Saudi enemies? ISLAMAPHOBE.

    You’ve just outlined what I consider to be the principal reason to vote for Trump.

    I am against the Imperial Executive.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    The Lugenpresse being hostile to the executive because he's not a D doesn't end the Imperial Executive ideal. Heck, W. was their mortal enemy for eight years and yet pushed it even more into the Imperial Executive ideal, and Obama gladly took it and ran with it.

    All the Lugenpresse is doing is trying to get a D elected, and then when people accuse them of being soft, point to their attacks when the R was in office.

    If you're worried about governmental overreach, you should be voting for Trump because he is the only candidate since perhaps maybe Goldwater who might try to curb governmental abuses by prosecution and restraint.
  42. @Emmanuel Goldstein
    I agree: the Third World countries have the third world justice for a reason. A civilized justice system there would not be able to cope with the propensity to commit crime of the NAM populaces...

    I disagree. NAM population could be easily controlled. But there is no will.

    • Replies: @Emmanuel Goldstein
    Controlled yes, but that's what I mean by the third world justice. Dedicating the real judicial resources to them will tax the system to malfunction ( one would have to sit on jury duty 150 days a year). Thus we see the proliferation of plea bargains instead of trials recently.
  43. @BB753
    With "conservative" allies like Thiel you don't need liberal adversaries.

    With “conservative” allies like Thiel you don’t need liberal adversaries

    “If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.” – Winston Churchill

    We need a team effort. If you want to rigidly enforce a narrow perspective, then you will have too few players to field a team.

    You are ceding the battlefield – and doing the bidding of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    We need Thiel, and Milo, and Dierdre, and Caitlyn Jennings, and who knows how many others to resist the Bolsheviks.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Ok, we can use these people to win and dump them afterwards. Does this sound better?
    Is it too much to ask for these fellow travelers to accept a little bit of criticism. I was calling out Thiel on his blindness to the fact that he seems to forget that open homosexuality advocacy and gay marriage do not belong either in a normal and sane society.
    I'd rather have Brendan Eich on board than Thiel. Remember, this super duper billionaire has only donated $ 1.25 to Trump. That's chump change for him, like an ordinary guy donating $200. Does Trump or the right really need him? He's not even a good public speaker.
    And for the record, libertarians, gay or straight, are liberals. You young alt-righters should read more and get a real glimpse of the world.
  44. Steve, come what may on Nov 8. You’ve done more than almost anyone to help make this happen. Almost anyone but for Donald J. Trump.

    • Agree: Opinionator
  45. @e
    Have you ever considered quitting your job and finding one at a NOT "very liberal college" or have you decided to stay where you are? MIght you consider moving for principles and peace of mind?

    Sorry for asking such a personal question, but I am thinking that certain personality traits reveal themselves in the choices we make.

    We need infiltrators behind enemy lines, asking indirect questions about the absurdities embodied in the institution, advocating for truth, encouraging the perspicacious, and above all, undermining the narrative.

    If one’s peace of mind is at risk, then yes, move. But if you can subvert the Left, then stay and whisper the truth to the receptive.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Not a lot of demand for middle aged white academics in my field. And I push the edge as far as i can in confronting cultural marxism, in the classes where that is appropriate. I also have a class where I can teach r/k theory and invasive species as well as some malthus. Intelligent students can make their own connections after that.

    But yes, I need to work on my escape plan more. 400 acres in the Shenandoah valley, check, some knowledge of how to make a living from that, far to go.
    , @e
    I got the impression from anon's words and tone that he is doing none of the things you suggest in your first sentence; thus, my question of him.
  46. I have been a big fan of Thiel for years. I wanted my sons to apply for his grants to create businesses out of their ideas. Well, they thought about it; but, because they were so sick of HS and the bs schedule and pressure it puts on students; they sleep-walked through much of the day during their last years in HS, so they felt that they needed a couple of years in any university to feel motivated again to go after their passion. They wanted to enjoy courses and rekindle the joy they felt making stuff when they were 10.

    I probably will apply for Thiel’s grants someday! – I have this deep desire to continue my late father’s work (and his many patents) of building a sort of vessel that would very much be important today. My sons think about that, too. So, who knows? What I like about Thiel is that he never stops thinking about innovation, ideas and new information. And, the fact that people say he is Aspergery, means nothing to someone like me who always feels that art, technology and science has value that needs to be shepherded in by more people, the more the merrier.

    I was quite surprised that he became a Trump fan. But, it made sense to me immediately. Anyway, I sound like I am sucking-up to him, when the fact is, I think Thiel is simply a treasure. I wish there were more people who bravely stay true to themselves. I think our Steve is a treasure in creating this forum for all of us to find others to discuss our thoughts and fears, enjoy a community of thinkers so we don’t fell alone with our thoughts.

    When I was a student attending a Fuller lecture in the Jurassic era, I always remember him saying, “majority of people are unwilling to accept new information as fast as it is actually being created. More people want to be critics than creators because it is easier.”

    • Replies: @European-American
    I agree. I admire Thiel for sticking his head out. And I admire Steve for doing the same for so long. In the darkest hours, we can get some satisfaction and comfort from the few who dare to be different and to think for themselves. And who inspire us to do the same.
  47. @CK
    Read up on Brendan Eich.
    Do not be a naif. In this country if you are a tall poppy
    you get lopped. Watch the interview, the interviewer is
    doing everything but actual threats ... Read the Esquire diatribe
    aimed at " celebrities" who have somehow not endorsed and
    clapped loudly for Hillary. Do a wee bit of searching on " shadow
    banning" on twitter.
    The left has always loved to unperson honourable people.

    Okay, I think I get it. You are saying that Thiel is going to pay a heavy price for this.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna

    You are saying that Thiel is going to pay a heavy price for this.
     
    Of course he is. It's already begun, and as Mr Thiel is a smart man, he's well aware of it. Which leaves one inescapable conclusion: he's actually acting out of principle.
  48. @BB753
    This guy is not even on the right. I don't trust him. And you're naive to trust people like Thiel.

    Baffling statement, he has fought for the right on every issue of consequence since he was an undergraduate at Stanford in the late 1980′s. He fought Jesse Jackson and his attempt to destroy the undergraduate requirements for Western Civilization at Stanford, and he has spoken out forcefully for that and against P.C. as well against De-industrialization and illegal immigration. Meanwhile, most billionaires not only support all of those things, but fund them actively. However because he is gay, you can’t trust him, got it.

    • Agree: ic1000, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @BB753
    I don't trust him because he's a libertarian, not just because he's gay.
    ( though gays are usually unreliable sociopaths) . Libertarians see right-wingers as fellow travelers, but they belong on the left on most issues. Deep down, they're liberals, classic liberals if you like, whose sole aim is unfettered freedom not truth. They're using us, not the other way around. Thiel is using trumpists for some undisclosed reason. Normal sexuality and normal family values do not seem to rank high on his agenda.
  49. I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had “adventures” with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter’s sexuality didn’t fit your ideal of “normal”. Is Peter’s sexuality included in your definition of a “normal” country? Isn’t his sexuality diametrically opposed to the “family values” that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just “conveniently” forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we’re all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It’s just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about “Christian values”, and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    • Troll: L Woods, Forbes, CK, IHTG
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Christ would have made a very poor President, obviously. Nick, I will respect your comments when you mute the sarc and amp the honest analysis. Thanks.
    , @415 reasons
    Speaking for myself I don't give a shit about his sexuality. I don't care about anybody's sexuality. I just want my kids to grow up in a country that even vaguely resembles the one I grew up in.
    , @Anonymous
    It doesn't sound like you're very familiar with Steve's writing.
    , @Lot

    full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel
     
    No, Peter Thiel: "Make America a Normal Country Again" does not constitute sycophancy. A link with a one-line description is one of the reasons we have hypertext.


    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy.
     
    You also do not understand what hypocrisy means. If Steve were preaching against man-man sex while on the down low, he'd be a hypocrite. He does not do either.


    It’s just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about “Christian values”, and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment
     
    That also does not constitute hypocrisy. Senor Diaz, debe estudiar ingles un poquito mas.
    , @Clyde
    You are so jealous of Peter Thiel's sex life.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    Boilerplate finger wagging here. You just assume that anybody not completely like you is some Moral Majority type-your're too intellectually lazy to acknowledge any difference between writers-like Steve, who's never written anything religious I can think of- so you just sling low common denominator stuff. You remind me of when someone laid into me for having a couple of supposedly extreme-right views, and went into the mocking Leave It To Beaver/Guns for Jesus thing you types do reflexively. I sat there for a second, and said, "Sorry, I was tuning you out because I'm pretty stoned right now and thinking about this hot chick I'm picking up at that drum circle tonight."
    , @melendwyr
    'Conservative' means different things to different people. I consider it to mean a reverence for cherished and long-held values, such as:

    The idea that as long as they're not harming others, people ought to be able to live their lives as they see fit without governmental interference.
    The idea that I don't need to approve of something to tolerate it.
    The idea that the government shouldn't necessarily act against something merely because I disapprove of it.
    The idea that people who disagree about many things can still come together to support mutual interests, especially political ones.

    Voltaire's "I do not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" applies to many, many actions as well as speech.

    As long as they're consenting adults, I don't care who Thiel has sex with. I don't even care if it's with animals. Nor do I care if he's vegetarian or religious or only buys clothing made in America.
    , @Pericles
    "Lol, no I don't believe in your bigoted moral principles but if I mention them perhaps you'll do what I want you to do."
    , @Kyle
    When have you ever heard Steve go on about Christian values?
  50. According to Hillary’s logic, if borders don’t need to exist, then the difference between Russia and the USA is trivial so no should care if they meddle in our election. Right?

  51. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    “A normal country doesn’t have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.”

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.

    To the extent that homosexuality is a problem, it is only that so many homosexuals care so little about the future of the country since they have no progeny to be part of it. Thiel actually takes an interest in our future despite being gay, yet you berate him for it.

    Just go away, troll.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Homosexuality is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart."

    Homosexuality is indeed a cultural policy, one that is on the radar of the Alt Right. The promotion of that lifestyle by Cultural Marxists in our media has been defined as a scourge by these ideologues, one that without question must be eradicated. However, those same hard-right elitists offer Thiel a "free pass" merely because he is on their side on a host of other issues. Well, I suppose since Thiel is "their gay guy" why should it matter that they are being hypocritical.

    "To the extent that homosexuality is a problem, it is only that so many homosexuals care so little about the future of the country since they have no progeny to be part of it."

    So this is the basis by which a group of people ought to be squarely judged regarding their interest in the direction of the nation, that they must have children in order to secure its future?
    You do realize that there are also non-homosexuals who have no kids yet are committed to our country, or has that fact escaped you?

    Praytell, does Thiel have any white children?
    , @Percy Gryce
    Immivasion may very well be God's judgment on our nation for letting it become a New Sodom and Gomorrah.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.
     
    Mostly.

    But marriage is always relevant. It predates the state, it predates civilization itself. The latter is founded upon it. "Equality" with buggery is hardly a healthy development.

    In fact, it is precisely because "homosexuality" is irrelevant that it should not be allowed anywhere near marriage.

    The nature and purpose of marriage is fundamental. At the moment it's on the back burner because we're basically at war. But when we get our country back, we'd like the rest of our civilization back along with it.
  52. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    We need infiltrators behind enemy lines, asking indirect questions about the absurdities embodied in the institution, advocating for truth, encouraging the perspicacious, and above all, undermining the narrative.

    If one's peace of mind is at risk, then yes, move. But if you can subvert the Left, then stay and whisper the truth to the receptive.

    Not a lot of demand for middle aged white academics in my field. And I push the edge as far as i can in confronting cultural marxism, in the classes where that is appropriate. I also have a class where I can teach r/k theory and invasive species as well as some malthus. Intelligent students can make their own connections after that.

    But yes, I need to work on my escape plan more. 400 acres in the Shenandoah valley, check, some knowledge of how to make a living from that, far to go.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    You can just lease it out to someone that knows what they're doing
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    But you are there. Do what you can. And don't assume you can 'change the world' - that's not your task. Just a little is so much greater than zero that comparisons don't work well in this context.
  53. OT: Rick Wilson’s Oppo research on trump’s connections to Russia is a complete dud.
    Don’t even bother reading the Slate article, it’s poorly written and the author is clearly making shit up when he doesn’t understand:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

    This is a much better summary:

    http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/11/debunking-trumps-secret-server.html

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    The Access Hollywood tape was their big grenade. Now they're just throwing soup cans. Or, in Fast & Furious terms:
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/793332224993230848
  54. @Nick Diaz
    I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had "adventures" with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter's sexuality didn't fit your ideal of "normal". Is Peter's sexuality included in your definition of a "normal" country? Isn't his sexuality diametrically opposed to the "family values" that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just "conveniently" forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we're all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It's just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about "Christian values", and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    Christ would have made a very poor President, obviously. Nick, I will respect your comments when you mute the sarc and amp the honest analysis. Thanks.

  55. @Mike
    You've just outlined what I consider to be the principal reason to vote for Trump.

    I am against the Imperial Executive.

    The Lugenpresse being hostile to the executive because he’s not a D doesn’t end the Imperial Executive ideal. Heck, W. was their mortal enemy for eight years and yet pushed it even more into the Imperial Executive ideal, and Obama gladly took it and ran with it.

    All the Lugenpresse is doing is trying to get a D elected, and then when people accuse them of being soft, point to their attacks when the R was in office.

    If you’re worried about governmental overreach, you should be voting for Trump because he is the only candidate since perhaps maybe Goldwater who might try to curb governmental abuses by prosecution and restraint.

  56. @Nick Diaz
    I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had "adventures" with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter's sexuality didn't fit your ideal of "normal". Is Peter's sexuality included in your definition of a "normal" country? Isn't his sexuality diametrically opposed to the "family values" that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just "conveniently" forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we're all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It's just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about "Christian values", and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    Speaking for myself I don’t give a shit about his sexuality. I don’t care about anybody’s sexuality. I just want my kids to grow up in a country that even vaguely resembles the one I grew up in.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I just want my kids to grow up in a country that even vaguely resembles the one I grew up in."

    Which, you do realize, did NOT include open homosexuals in important political, economic, or social positions.
  57. @anonitron1
    Gay marriage and abortion are the Iraq and Afghanistan of right-wing politics - endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one's benefit save the people they're distracting us from.

    “Gay marriage and abortion are . . . endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one’s benefit save the people they’re distracting us from.”

    I’ve heard similar argument from libertarians: ‘why the mindless squabbles about reproduction when the economy is at stake?’

    They’re wrong. Sex and reproduction are primal to all else. War, culture, civilization, the economy are just layered on top. Without patriarchy, civilization inevitably declines toward extinction. Gay marriage and abortion are part of the war on patriarchy.

    • Agree: Clyde, Thea
    • Replies: @Kaz
    The fuck do either of those things have to do with the patriarchy/civilization?

    Abortion, something that mostly NAMs engage in and white families that don't want to waste their lives on raising retards. Something that could mostly be assuaged by simple birth control. And in worst cases, health reasons that put a mother at risk.

    Gay marriage, things that affect less than 5% of the population.

    If you want healthy family formation, these are not the stakes to die at.

    You want security(less low quality migration/NAMs), a non-corrupt government, strong property rights, and a minimal welfare state. All things that reward men for investing in their communities/families.
  58. Odd that such a wealthy man does not seem to understand the difference between a ‘normal’ country – seemingly, one without a half-trillion dollar trade deficit, and the one country that gets to issue the global reserve currency.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Odd that such a wealthy man does not seem to understand the difference between a ‘normal’ country – seemingly, one without a half-trillion dollar trade deficit, and the one country that gets to issue the global reserve currency.
     
    Indeed.
  59. @Nick Diaz
    I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had "adventures" with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter's sexuality didn't fit your ideal of "normal". Is Peter's sexuality included in your definition of a "normal" country? Isn't his sexuality diametrically opposed to the "family values" that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just "conveniently" forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we're all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It's just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about "Christian values", and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    It doesn’t sound like you’re very familiar with Steve’s writing.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    It doesn’t sound like you’re very familiar with Steve’s writing.
     
    Oh, he's very familiar - it's what is causing the cognitive dissonance that bleeds through in the pain of his voice.

    Give him time.
  60. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    We need infiltrators behind enemy lines, asking indirect questions about the absurdities embodied in the institution, advocating for truth, encouraging the perspicacious, and above all, undermining the narrative.

    If one's peace of mind is at risk, then yes, move. But if you can subvert the Left, then stay and whisper the truth to the receptive.

    I got the impression from anon’s words and tone that he is doing none of the things you suggest in your first sentence; thus, my question of him.

  61. OT news from a fairly normal country:

    “No asylum seeker made it over Egypt fence in six months”

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.750009?v=BA1D512E521E08785C470B9311DBA9D3

    Eighteen did make it, from January to April.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome


    “No asylum seeker made it over Egypt fence in six months”
    ...
    Eighteen did make it, from January to April.

     

    Israel know that walls just don't work. What works is machine guns:
    [15 November 2015]


    Sudanese refugees shot dead on Egypt-Israel border
    Fifteen refugees killed in Sinai as they reportedly attempt to enter Israel to seek asylum.
    ...
    At least 15 Sudanese refugees have been shot dead and eight more injured in Egypt's Sinai region as they reportedly attempted to enter Israel.

     

  62. @Emmanuel Goldstein
    People should be careful voting for Trump. In 20 years, the PC ideologues then in charge may dig out that data and the Trump voters may suffer consequences, much like during Stalinist purges. Thiel is brave.

    Agreed. I’m not proud of it, but I quit donating to political candidates once it became clear that I’d forever be in public databases for doing so. I guess I could always send cash, but it’s hard to trust strangers.

  63. @Anonymous
    The more conventional, libertarian-ish conception of rent-seeking narrowly restricts it to government lobbying, for obvious reasons. There are also conceptions of rent-seeking that incorporate the network effect, since obviously the government provides the things like property rights that allows rent-seekers to capture the rent from the network effect.

    I never said "he only cared about money". Obviously he has other ambitions, but those ambitions probably depend on him having money to pursue them.

    You have no idea what rent seeking means. There is no evidence that Facebook or PayPal used government aid/government regulation to get started. Network effects are not rent seeking unless you have bribed government officials to get it. Facebook beat the more established MySpace and PayPal filled the space left by the big credit card companies (although they are more rent seeking now as government has become more interventionist). If you want to talk about a slimy Silicon Valley venture the winner is Vinod Khosla.
    He bought one of the best wind surfing beaches in the world (near where the Mavericks competition is held) closed it to the surfers and then tried to sell it back for a large profit

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Vinod-Khosla-wants-30-million-for-Martins-Beach-6847689.php

    He also looted subsidies for renewable energy:

    http://fortune.com/kior-vinod-khosla-clean-tech/

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Vinod Khosla...... agree with you on this odious immigrant/

    Portfolio — Power | Khosla Ventures
    www.khoslaventures.com/portfolio/power
    Ausra manufactures and develops utility-scale solar technologies to ... The result is an on-site power ... The firm was founded in 2004 by Vinod Khosla, ...

    , @Anonymous
    I just cited the conventional, libertarian-ish conception of rent-seeking which narrowly restricts it to government lobbying, so obviously I do know what it means. There are classical rent and more modern theories that incorporate network effects as rent seeking.
  64. @e
    Have you ever considered quitting your job and finding one at a NOT "very liberal college" or have you decided to stay where you are? MIght you consider moving for principles and peace of mind?

    Sorry for asking such a personal question, but I am thinking that certain personality traits reveal themselves in the choices we make.

    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they’re currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they’re currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)

     

    Daughter Calvinist is approaching college age. I would actually love to know which colleges you're talking about, because a high-quality liberal arts college that's being undersold sounds very good.

    I know Hillsdale is good, and not liberal, but it's often left off ranking lists altogether because it refuses to take government funding.

    Is Wheaton (the one in Illinois) another one? I guess they must be getting punished somewhere somehow for actually tossing out that faculty member who was pushing heresy.

  65. @Jack Highlands
    "Gay marriage and abortion are . . . endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one’s benefit save the people they’re distracting us from."

    I've heard similar argument from libertarians: 'why the mindless squabbles about reproduction when the economy is at stake?'

    They're wrong. Sex and reproduction are primal to all else. War, culture, civilization, the economy are just layered on top. Without patriarchy, civilization inevitably declines toward extinction. Gay marriage and abortion are part of the war on patriarchy.

    The fuck do either of those things have to do with the patriarchy/civilization?

    Abortion, something that mostly NAMs engage in and white families that don’t want to waste their lives on raising retards. Something that could mostly be assuaged by simple birth control. And in worst cases, health reasons that put a mother at risk.

    Gay marriage, things that affect less than 5% of the population.

    If you want healthy family formation, these are not the stakes to die at.

    You want security(less low quality migration/NAMs), a non-corrupt government, strong property rights, and a minimal welfare state. All things that reward men for investing in their communities/families.

  66. @Opinionator
    Okay, I think I get it. You are saying that Thiel is going to pay a heavy price for this.

    You are saying that Thiel is going to pay a heavy price for this.

    Of course he is. It’s already begun, and as Mr Thiel is a smart man, he’s well aware of it. Which leaves one inescapable conclusion: he’s actually acting out of principle.

  67. @trumpenproleteriat
    OT: Rick Wilson's Oppo research on trump's connections to Russia is a complete dud.
    Don't even bother reading the Slate article, it's poorly written and the author is clearly making shit up when he doesn't understand:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

    This is a much better summary:
    http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/11/debunking-trumps-secret-server.html

    The Access Hollywood tape was their big grenade. Now they’re just throwing soup cans. Or, in Fast & Furious terms:

  68. @Anonymous
    The more conventional, libertarian-ish conception of rent-seeking narrowly restricts it to government lobbying, for obvious reasons. There are also conceptions of rent-seeking that incorporate the network effect, since obviously the government provides the things like property rights that allows rent-seekers to capture the rent from the network effect.

    I never said "he only cared about money". Obviously he has other ambitions, but those ambitions probably depend on him having money to pursue them.

    Your non-standard conception of rent-seeking as “capturing rent” from “government provided” property rights is so broad that it would include nearly all business activity.

    They may be monopolies deserving of antitrust regulation, but you do not need to rent-seek to establish a monopoly.

    While libertarians are really fond of saying “rent seeking,” it is a concept in standard mainstream economics with a precise meaning.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, a more comprehensive conception of rent-seeking that includes more than just directly lobbying the government does include more activity. For example, individual homeowners obtain part of the rent of the network effect. But they don't obtain all of it, like a landlord who owns the entire network would.
  69. @International Jew
    OT news from a fairly normal country:

    "No asylum seeker made it over Egypt fence in six months"

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.750009?v=BA1D512E521E08785C470B9311DBA9D3

    Eighteen did make it, from January to April.

    “No asylum seeker made it over Egypt fence in six months”

    Eighteen did make it, from January to April.

    Israel know that walls just don’t work. What works is machine guns:
    [15 November 2015]

    Sudanese refugees shot dead on Egypt-Israel border
    Fifteen refugees killed in Sinai as they reportedly attempt to enter Israel to seek asylum.

    At least 15 Sudanese refugees have been shot dead and eight more injured in Egypt’s Sinai region as they reportedly attempted to enter Israel.

    • Replies: @Lot

    Israel know that walls just don’t work. What works is machine guns:
     
    Egypt is the one that shot them, not Israel. Israel gently escorts its dwindling number of unlawful migrants onto a plane to lovely Rwanda.
    , @BenKenobi
    Credit where credit is due.

    Israel eh? We really gotta get one of our own.
  70. @Nick Diaz
    I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had "adventures" with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter's sexuality didn't fit your ideal of "normal". Is Peter's sexuality included in your definition of a "normal" country? Isn't his sexuality diametrically opposed to the "family values" that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just "conveniently" forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we're all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It's just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about "Christian values", and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel

    No, Peter Thiel: “Make America a Normal Country Again” does not constitute sycophancy. A link with a one-line description is one of the reasons we have hypertext.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy.

    You also do not understand what hypocrisy means. If Steve were preaching against man-man sex while on the down low, he’d be a hypocrite. He does not do either.

    It’s just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about “Christian values”, and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment

    That also does not constitute hypocrisy. Senor Diaz, debe estudiar ingles un poquito mas.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    > Senor Diaz, debe estudiar ingles un poquito mas.

    He could also consider scanning other comments prior to contributing his own. Most of the points he raised had already been discussed in the thread. Good comments often build on earlier ones.

  71. @Blosky
    I disagree. NAM population could be easily controlled. But there is no will.

    Controlled yes, but that’s what I mean by the third world justice. Dedicating the real judicial resources to them will tax the system to malfunction ( one would have to sit on jury duty 150 days a year). Thus we see the proliferation of plea bargains instead of trials recently.

  72. @Hippopotamusdrome


    “No asylum seeker made it over Egypt fence in six months”
    ...
    Eighteen did make it, from January to April.

     

    Israel know that walls just don't work. What works is machine guns:
    [15 November 2015]


    Sudanese refugees shot dead on Egypt-Israel border
    Fifteen refugees killed in Sinai as they reportedly attempt to enter Israel to seek asylum.
    ...
    At least 15 Sudanese refugees have been shot dead and eight more injured in Egypt's Sinai region as they reportedly attempted to enter Israel.

     

    Israel know that walls just don’t work. What works is machine guns:

    Egypt is the one that shot them, not Israel. Israel gently escorts its dwindling number of unlawful migrants onto a plane to lovely Rwanda.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    Then not only will we make Mexico pay for the wall, but they will also do the shooting for us.
  73. @Kyle McKenna
    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they're currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)

    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they’re currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)

    Daughter Calvinist is approaching college age. I would actually love to know which colleges you’re talking about, because a high-quality liberal arts college that’s being undersold sounds very good.

    I know Hillsdale is good, and not liberal, but it’s often left off ranking lists altogether because it refuses to take government funding.

    Is Wheaton (the one in Illinois) another one? I guess they must be getting punished somewhere somehow for actually tossing out that faculty member who was pushing heresy.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Wheaton is alleged to be good, but it's very Evangelical Christian: if that's not a big part of your daughter's makeup, she really won't be comfortable there.

    I pay attention to Wheaton because both of my maternal grandparents went there (although my grandfather ultimately graduated from Pomona), and my great-grandfather was a chemistry professor there, and it was founded by my great-great grandfather Jonathan Blanchard. Despite all that, I never even considered going there myself.
    , @Lagertha
    Service Academies; Washington & Lee; College of Charleston; University of San Diego (Catholic lite)...there is actually a manual that lists all the top 100 U's according to the political climate of the campus - aimed at parents looking for conservative (no protests over Halloween costumes) schools. Rice, SMU & Pepperdine also, lean conservative.
    , @Lagertha
    Forgot to add several state U's in the Mountain states, and one or two in CA, that do not have oppressive liberal zeitgeist forced upon people. These campuses are soooo beautiful and the surrounding nature provides a wonderful lifestyle for professors and their families. The public schools for faculty kids are excellent, and the cost of living is low compared to east and west coasts. My sons have not come across annoying professors or irritating, coddled, angry-about-something students. Maybe because it is a large U with more serious, middle-class students who know how much their education costs...so, it's all about the learning in those 4 years; upshot: hardly any SJW's. One of the reasons my sons left the East Coast is that they were so sick of SJW's and hypocrites who grew up in privilege...preaching about inequality while living in "good neighborhoods with good schools." These types of students are all over the Eastern Seaboard, especially at elite U's...and of course, elite U's anywhere. Heck, if you study STEM, a 4 year degree, say in Chemistry, is universal.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Washington and Lee was indeed the one I had in mind, as they have had trouble attracting enough negroes and immigrants to their remote mountain location and are being punished in several prominent rankings for a "lack of diversity". Contra the other responder, I don't think Rice is right of center.
    , @Twinkie

    Daughter Calvinist is approaching college age. I would actually love to know which colleges you’re talking about, because a high-quality liberal arts college that’s being undersold sounds very good.
     
    I don't know about prominent, but there are several with very good Core Curricula. I know that you are obviously not Catholic, but take a look at the structure of Thomas Aquinas College, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas_College

    Thomas Aquinas offers one degree, a bachelor of arts in liberals arts. This is an integrated liberal arts curriculum made up primarily of the Great Books of the Western Tradition, with order of learning emphasized in the structure of the curriculum. Much of the first two years of the four-year program is devoted to the Trivium (logic, rhetoric, and grammar) and the Quadrivium (geometry, astronomy, arithmetic, and music.)[6] Natural science, philosophy, and theology are studied all four years. Papers are assigned in the various subject areas throughout the year; fourth-year students produce a senior thesis and defend it before a panel of faculty members.

    The college replaces textbooks with original sources, the seminal works in all the major disciplines.[7] Thomas Aquinas College acknowledges that not all texts in their program are of equal weight. They regard some as masterworks and others as sources of opinions that "either lead students to the truth, or make the truth more evident by opposition to it."[6] Students read some texts in their entirety and only excerpts from others.[6]

    The college's St. Vincent de Paul Lecture and Concert Series complements its regular academic program, providing events at least once a month during the academic year.
     
    And the student life:

    Four chaplain-priests live on campus. They provide the sacraments and spiritual direction.[citation needed]

    The school has a club soccer team that plays in a Ventura County league.[citation needed] There is also an intramural sports program offering soccer, tennis, football, and volleyball on the school's courts.[citation needed]

    The St. Genesius players produce one play a year, commonly a selection from Shakespeare.[citation needed] The College Choir presents an annual concert and a spring musical, often a production of Gilbert and Sullivan.[citation needed] It sings at Sunday Mass and special events. Another student choir and various instrumentalists and vocalists in the student body provide informal recitals throughout the year, at formal and informal events.

    Unmarried students are housed on-campus in six dormitories. Married students may live off-campus. Men's and women's residence halls are off-limits to members of the opposite sex.[8]

    The possession or use of alcohol or illegal drugs on campus or in the dormitories is not allowed and may entail expulsion from the college.
    [8] [Boldfaces mine.]
     
    How refreshingly wholesome, eh?

    And very independent - even from the Catholic Church:

    As a matter of principle, to ensure the institution's autonomy, the school does not accept any direct government funding; neither does it receive funding from the Catholic Church.
     
  74. @Lagertha
    I have been a big fan of Thiel for years. I wanted my sons to apply for his grants to create businesses out of their ideas. Well, they thought about it; but, because they were so sick of HS and the bs schedule and pressure it puts on students; they sleep-walked through much of the day during their last years in HS, so they felt that they needed a couple of years in any university to feel motivated again to go after their passion. They wanted to enjoy courses and rekindle the joy they felt making stuff when they were 10.

    I probably will apply for Thiel's grants someday! - I have this deep desire to continue my late father's work (and his many patents) of building a sort of vessel that would very much be important today. My sons think about that, too. So, who knows? What I like about Thiel is that he never stops thinking about innovation, ideas and new information. And, the fact that people say he is Aspergery, means nothing to someone like me who always feels that art, technology and science has value that needs to be shepherded in by more people, the more the merrier.

    I was quite surprised that he became a Trump fan. But, it made sense to me immediately. Anyway, I sound like I am sucking-up to him, when the fact is, I think Thiel is simply a treasure. I wish there were more people who bravely stay true to themselves. I think our Steve is a treasure in creating this forum for all of us to find others to discuss our thoughts and fears, enjoy a community of thinkers so we don't fell alone with our thoughts.

    When I was a student attending a Fuller lecture in the Jurassic era, I always remember him saying, "majority of people are unwilling to accept new information as fast as it is actually being created. More people want to be critics than creators because it is easier."

    I agree. I admire Thiel for sticking his head out. And I admire Steve for doing the same for so long. In the darkest hours, we can get some satisfaction and comfort from the few who dare to be different and to think for themselves. And who inspire us to do the same.

  75. @Hippopotamusdrome


    “No asylum seeker made it over Egypt fence in six months”
    ...
    Eighteen did make it, from January to April.

     

    Israel know that walls just don't work. What works is machine guns:
    [15 November 2015]


    Sudanese refugees shot dead on Egypt-Israel border
    Fifteen refugees killed in Sinai as they reportedly attempt to enter Israel to seek asylum.
    ...
    At least 15 Sudanese refugees have been shot dead and eight more injured in Egypt's Sinai region as they reportedly attempted to enter Israel.

     

    Credit where credit is due.

    Israel eh? We really gotta get one of our own.

  76. @Lot

    Israel know that walls just don’t work. What works is machine guns:
     
    Egypt is the one that shot them, not Israel. Israel gently escorts its dwindling number of unlawful migrants onto a plane to lovely Rwanda.

    Then not only will we make Mexico pay for the wall, but they will also do the shooting for us.

    • Replies: @Karl
    > Then not only will we make Mexico pay for the wall, but they will also do the shooting for us.

    Just do what Exxon-Mobil did when it wanted armed Maritime protection for it deepwater rig off the SW coast of the Philippines.... it "adopted" a Phils Navy squadron, and started paying all the operating expenses.... DIRECTLY to the squadron, with CASH BONUSES for every sailor in the unit. Of course, an "initiation fee" was paid to an admiral at Phils Navy HEadquarters up in Manila to facilitate the set-up. And Duterte has NOT said boo or moved to shut this arrangement down.

    You want Mexican federales to shoot (from THEIR side) Mexicans trying to climb the border fence? Pay for it.

    Hooker sex is always (in the long run) cheaper than married sex, n'est pas? So just lease your loyalties.


    PS: Not only did Duterte recently approve the shipyard period (at Subic) for a US Navy ship within the past week, he has NOT to date given ANY formal notification to the US requesting ANY changes in the situation. IE, all the rhetoric WAS rhetoric, to try to win "pogi points" with China. China did throw some scraps at him; we must wait and see how much if any ACTUAL CASH they send....
    , @International Jew
    Nice try at recovering from that embarrassing oversight, but sorry no cigar.
  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/hardball/2016-10-27

    MATTHEWS: Election Diary Thursday, October 27th.

    Whatever you think of Donald Trump, I mean, whatever you think of Donald Trump, you have to wonder, why isnt he doing it? Why isnt he running for president? Why isnt he spending every hour asking the voters again and again, do you like way things are, the way theyve been headed in this country?

    Do you like the continued destruction of our manufacturing base, the jobs that went with it? Do you like the uncontrolled illegal immigration? Do you like the string of stupid wars from Iraq, to Libya, to Syria?

    If you want to say yes to all that, you want to keep all this the way it is? Vote for Hillary Clinton. If you don`t like the way things have been headed, you got a chance to really shake the system to its roots.

    If you wake up the day after the election, the same it is today, if it`s the same four, or five, eight years from now, remember you had a chance to change it but you were too dainty to do it. If Trump were to win this election, those would be the reasons that would be listed right at the top of the newspaper the day afterwards.

    So, why doesnt he say now what would win him the election? Why doesnt he fight and create stupid headlines with his battles with Megyn Kelly and Dana Bash? He seems to devote day after day to fighting fights that make people forget the reasons he started running for president, reasons that continue to carry the shrinking chance he has to win this thing.

    I say this not because I want Trump to win, but because I cant stand politics being practiced so pathetically. We have been looking at live pictures, by the way, from LaGuardia Airport in New York of Mike Pences plane which slid off the runway this evening. There were no injuries. And that`s HARDBALL for now. Thanks for being with us.

    The MSM complains that Trump isn’t saying what the MSM ignores him saying.

    Too late for an ad buy?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    MSM plays a great game - poke Trump with a sharp stick and he snarls at you. Look how dumb that Trump is - isn't he smart enough to not snarl back when we poke him? Why does he keep falling for our cheap tricks? Meanwhile, Hillary gets the FDR treatment - we never see her being helped up the steps and they feed the questions to her in advance.
  78. Thiel is up against Eric Schmidt of Google who is determined to get people to make the “right” vote.

    Wikileaks released a nice podesta mail from Schmidt today that was pretty spooky, if I understand it correctly. Here’s part of it:

    For each voter, a score is computed ranking probability of the right vote. Analytics can model demographics, social factors and many other attributes of the needed voters. Modeling will tell us what who we need to turn out and why, and studies of effectiveness will let us know what approaches work well. Machine intelligence across the data should identify the most important factors for turnout, and preference. It should be possible to link the voter records in Van with upcoming databases from companies like Comcast and others for media measurement purposes. The analytics tools can be built in house or partnered with a set of vendors.

    f) Core engineering, voter database and contact with voters online The database of voters (NGP Van) is a fine starting point for voter records and is maintained by the vendor (and needs to be converted to the cloud). The code developed for 2012 (Narwahl etc.) is unlikely to be used, and replaced by a model where the vendor data is kept in the Van database and intermediate databases are arranged with additional information for a voter. Quite a bit of software is to be developed to match digital identities with the actual voter file with high confidence. The key unit of the campaign is a “voter”, and each and every record is viewable and updatable by volunteers in search of more accurate information. In the case where we can’t identify the specific human, we can still have a partial digital voter id, for a person or “probable-person” with attributes that we can identify and use to target. As they respond we can eventually match to a registered voter in the main file. This digital key is eventually matched to a real person.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262

  79. @Anonymous
    It doesn't sound like you're very familiar with Steve's writing.

    It doesn’t sound like you’re very familiar with Steve’s writing.

    Oh, he’s very familiar – it’s what is causing the cognitive dissonance that bleeds through in the pain of his voice.

    Give him time.

  80. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Then not only will we make Mexico pay for the wall, but they will also do the shooting for us.

    > Then not only will we make Mexico pay for the wall, but they will also do the shooting for us.

    Just do what Exxon-Mobil did when it wanted armed Maritime protection for it deepwater rig off the SW coast of the Philippines…. it “adopted” a Phils Navy squadron, and started paying all the operating expenses…. DIRECTLY to the squadron, with CASH BONUSES for every sailor in the unit. Of course, an “initiation fee” was paid to an admiral at Phils Navy HEadquarters up in Manila to facilitate the set-up. And Duterte has NOT said boo or moved to shut this arrangement down.

    You want Mexican federales to shoot (from THEIR side) Mexicans trying to climb the border fence? Pay for it.

    Hooker sex is always (in the long run) cheaper than married sex, n’est pas? So just lease your loyalties.

    PS: Not only did Duterte recently approve the shipyard period (at Subic) for a US Navy ship within the past week, he has NOT to date given ANY formal notification to the US requesting ANY changes in the situation. IE, all the rhetoric WAS rhetoric, to try to win “pogi points” with China. China did throw some scraps at him; we must wait and see how much if any ACTUAL CASH they send….

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    PS: Not only did Duterte recently approve the shipyard period (at Subic) for a US Navy ship within the past week, he has NOT to date given ANY formal notification to the US requesting ANY changes in the situation. IE, all the rhetoric WAS rhetoric, to try to win “pogi points” with China. China did throw some scraps at him; we must wait and see how much if any ACTUAL CASH they send….
     
    Why not just start pulling out and let him offer us money to stay?
  81. @Karl
    > Then not only will we make Mexico pay for the wall, but they will also do the shooting for us.

    Just do what Exxon-Mobil did when it wanted armed Maritime protection for it deepwater rig off the SW coast of the Philippines.... it "adopted" a Phils Navy squadron, and started paying all the operating expenses.... DIRECTLY to the squadron, with CASH BONUSES for every sailor in the unit. Of course, an "initiation fee" was paid to an admiral at Phils Navy HEadquarters up in Manila to facilitate the set-up. And Duterte has NOT said boo or moved to shut this arrangement down.

    You want Mexican federales to shoot (from THEIR side) Mexicans trying to climb the border fence? Pay for it.

    Hooker sex is always (in the long run) cheaper than married sex, n'est pas? So just lease your loyalties.


    PS: Not only did Duterte recently approve the shipyard period (at Subic) for a US Navy ship within the past week, he has NOT to date given ANY formal notification to the US requesting ANY changes in the situation. IE, all the rhetoric WAS rhetoric, to try to win "pogi points" with China. China did throw some scraps at him; we must wait and see how much if any ACTUAL CASH they send....

    PS: Not only did Duterte recently approve the shipyard period (at Subic) for a US Navy ship within the past week, he has NOT to date given ANY formal notification to the US requesting ANY changes in the situation. IE, all the rhetoric WAS rhetoric, to try to win “pogi points” with China. China did throw some scraps at him; we must wait and see how much if any ACTUAL CASH they send….

    Why not just start pulling out and let him offer us money to stay?

  82. @anonitron1
    Gay marriage and abortion are the Iraq and Afghanistan of right-wing politics - endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one's benefit save the people they're distracting us from.

    Abortion only became a quagmire for the right when it degenerated into fundie virtue-signaling (“I do so care about the lil’ fetus”). As an institution it’s bad for the same reason birth control is: the social coarsening effect. Yet few pro-life rank & file can articulate this, instead believe they’re actually paladins saving the fetus in distress. Then there is the really pathetic schism over the “rape exception.” No consistent pro-lifer would be fooled by this spurious wedge, but guess who gets painted “extremist” by the more consensus-minded official pro-life frauds… also the Catholics have introduced deliberate fog by somehow conflating it with the death penalty and permanent welfare checks.

    Gay marriage destroys society as we know it from a different path. I think it should be OK for conservatives to de-prioritize it, but the (very common circa 2002) cuckservative meme that gay nuptials were “better than the alternative” looks sillier with passing years.

    • Replies: @Randal

    As an institution it’s bad for the same reason birth control is: the social coarsening effect. Yet few pro-life rank & file can articulate this
     
    I agree with the opinion, but in the end it's just an opinion based upon a value judgement. You can argue it all you like, and I obviously believe the arguments for it are strong, but people will always be free to disagree with it. That's why political opponents of abortion often prefer to stick to arguments from principle - either specifically Christian morality or a wider pro-life principle.

    The left has frequently done the same, often preferring to talk about their own "principles" such as women's "rights to control their bodies" rather than the perceived social benefits.


    Gay marriage destroys society as we know it from a different path. I think it should be OK for conservatives to de-prioritize it, but the (very common circa 2002) cuckservative meme that gay nuptials were “better than the alternative” looks sillier with passing years.
     
    There is a genuine problem here for conservatives of principle versus pragmatism. The several commenters above who point out that by compromising over this issue and accepting people who are openly committed to deviant sexual behaviour as opinion leaders we implicitly accept a fundamental debasement of our society are correct.

    On the other hand, those who have replied by arguing for a broad church and the primary importance of political victory of any kind, on pragmatic grounds, are also correct.

    This is an eternal human political dilemma, and the reality is that everyone wants the issues they aren't particularly bothered about to be included in the big tent, and the issues they are particularly focused on to be excluded.

    For me, traditionalist views on race, on nation and on sexuality are of equal importance in a well ordered society. I cannot easily accept those who aggressively flaunt their deviance (even if it works well for them as a protective cloak against the leftist establishment, by making them a member of one of the specially privileged minorities) as representative of me in any way, but I don't have as much of a problem with those who relatively quietly get on with their own lives and keep their bad habits to themselves. Which probably leaves me drawing my personal line somewhere between Thiel and the pervert journo with the Greek name that I can never remember exactly.
    , @Venator
    Yes, opposition to abortion is conservative virtue-signalling - but that implies that there is an underlying virtue, an underlying principle: A woman's "right to choose" (that is, a woman's complete control over her reproduction) is of less importance than "Thou shalt not murder". Obviously, if you subscribe to that principle you tend to view society in a different way than if you do not.

    Furthermore, virtue-signalling even tends to build virtue and culture where there was less before. "We are what we pretend to be". That goes for the individual and for society. So, we have several effects of a principled stance on abortion:

    * Saving lifes (ceteris paribus a good)
    * Hindering immediate effects of abortion on society
    * Opportunity to virtue-signal and thus taking part in building a culture that is not only opposed to abortion, but also to a morally untethered status of women and men in society
    * Bettering one's own selve

    In conclusion, conservatives should stay on principle on this one and on many others, and forgo the big tent.
    , @CK
    There is much emphasis placed on abortion rights among women well past child bearing age.
    Abortion has a disparate impact in that Planned Parenthood arranges way more abortions for black girls and women than it does for white girls and women. Yet the ratio of black to white in this country is approx. 1 to 5. So eugenics has never left Planned Parenthood's operating strategy, it is just ... downplayed.
    Homosexual marriage is a nothing burger. As a way to propagate a people it is inefficient. Homosexuality has been with the human race since recorded history started, probably before but without a record. It effects maybe 3% of the male population and probably a bit less of the female. So it leaves 47% of males and 48% of females to keep on keeping on. If your marriage is suddenly dissolvable because Tom and Clarence are cohabiting thanks to a piece of paper from the courthouse or the Episcopal church; the problem is within you and yours.
    The human race has been aborting and homoing for multiple millennia. I would take long odds that we will continue to do so for multiple millennia down the corridors of time and out over the vastiness of space.
    , @Bill
    A social without any principled paladins would be pretty damn coarse.
  83. @Nick Diaz
    I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had "adventures" with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter's sexuality didn't fit your ideal of "normal". Is Peter's sexuality included in your definition of a "normal" country? Isn't his sexuality diametrically opposed to the "family values" that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just "conveniently" forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we're all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It's just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about "Christian values", and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    You are so jealous of Peter Thiel’s sex life.

  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I may thank you, Thiel, and Trump, and the others who work to make Americal “normal again”.

    Still, you browse the Internet a little, and you come across this blog
    : Neo-colonialism and its Discontents
    A blog by Sara Salem. Postcolonialism, Marxism, feminism and other conspiracies.

    Of herself she writes

    A bit about me: I’m 26, I’m half-Dutch, half-Egyptian, and I grew up in Lusaka, Zambia. I’m living in Oakland at the moment and doing a PhD in Political Economy.

    I’m into postcolonialism, Marxism, feminism and other conspiracies.

    I love Audre Lorde, bell hooks, Chandra Mohanty, Lila abu Lughod and Joan Scott. Also Foucault, Fanon, Gramsci and Edward Said.

    She is living in Oakland, and “doing” a PhD in Oakland. In a colonialist empire where racism and patriarchy rule.
    She really doesn’t seem to want to “do” her PhD in Zambia, where she grew up, nor in Egypt, where she was born. No non-colonialist non-misogynist non-racist country was there she liked to “do” her PhD.

    She also writes her blog, and her other “published works” in English. A language that represents imperialism, White racism, patriarchy, and all the rest of what she fights.

    Below, a bit of what you find on this blogger, “doing” her PhD in, of all places in the world, California:

    The recent image out of France that show policemen surrounding a woman who is removing her veil have struck many people because of how overtly Islamophobic they are. France – a country that constructs itself as being open and secular – recently imposed a fine on women who wear a ‘burqini’ at the beach. This announcement was controversial, and seeing images of this fine in action is bringing even more attention to the new rule.

    What struck me about this image and this story in general is the clear ways in which different structures are intersecting with one another in order to produce this one moment in time. I have seen some of the commentaries talk about how this demonstrates yet another instance of patriarchy and sexism: men telling women what they can and cannot wear. My own reaction was to affirm this – it does seem to be a common denominator when it comes to the different types of violence faced by women across the globe. Women’s bodies are put under the control of patriarchal norms through a variety of mechanisms, from laws to domestic violence to street harassment. The effect of these myriad mechanisms is that women are constantly conscious of what we look like, how we dress, how we take up space (public or private), and how we interact with men. It is a daily reality to know, on some level, that you are never really safe from some type of intrusion – whether it be sexual harassment or severe sexual violence. There are a whole range of ways in which patriarchy – exercised mainly through men but also through women – controls women’s bodies.

    But this is not the whole story. This photo and this moment are also a clear instance of a very racialized interaction. We see white French policemen surrounding a woman who appears to be of Arab descent and who is veiled. In Europe today the veil and Muslim identity in general has often been made to represent a ‘cultural’ identity when in fact it is a heavily racialized one. It is not a distinction between “French” and “Muslim” culture – whatever these are – but between white French and Brown/Black not-quite-French. And so we see that alongside patriarchy there is racism as a determining structure.

    Good luck to you, Thiel, Trump, Sailer, non-beta submissive men, making the West normal again, then.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I hope there comes a time when these scumbags realise that 2016 France and Trump were still essentially nice, cuddly liberal entities.

    This realisation may come when she finds herself forced to depart for Zambia or Egypt at the point of a bayonet but probably not before.
    , @Neil Templeton
    "The effect of these myriad mechanisms is that women are constantly conscious of what we look like, how we dress, how we take up space (public or private), and how we interact with men."

    I venture that women have been constantly conscious of these things always, everywhere, from the beginning. And forever will be, until the end.

    , @Kyle
    It is disconcerting that someone "doing" "a phd" can be shocked that a secular country is fining the burquini wearers.
  85. Never liked the guy. He sums up in one man the weird transition that all these internet libertarians have undergone in the last couple of years. You couldn’t open a combox in 2012 without tripping over 10 mooks babbling on about “Ron Paul” and “statism” and “Mises”. Now seemingly overnight they’re all nationalists. If Musk was a Trumpian I’d be more excited, then we’d all have jobs on the assembly line in the Tesla plants.

    • Replies: @CK
    Musk is a rent-seeker. Refer to the requirements to be one that have been well articulated up thread.
    Go back to this past spring and summer who was the Republican playing the Ron Paul part this cycle? Nary a tea partier, nor a libertarian among the bunch of non-entities that were the first string for the debates and only Rand Jr. among the second team for the debates. Rand Jr is
    proof that the apple can indeed fall far from the tree and then roll farther.
  86. @Lot

    full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel
     
    No, Peter Thiel: "Make America a Normal Country Again" does not constitute sycophancy. A link with a one-line description is one of the reasons we have hypertext.


    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy.
     
    You also do not understand what hypocrisy means. If Steve were preaching against man-man sex while on the down low, he'd be a hypocrite. He does not do either.


    It’s just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about “Christian values”, and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment
     
    That also does not constitute hypocrisy. Senor Diaz, debe estudiar ingles un poquito mas.

    > Senor Diaz, debe estudiar ingles un poquito mas.

    He could also consider scanning other comments prior to contributing his own. Most of the points he raised had already been discussed in the thread. Good comments often build on earlier ones.

  87. @Nick Diaz
    I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had "adventures" with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter's sexuality didn't fit your ideal of "normal". Is Peter's sexuality included in your definition of a "normal" country? Isn't his sexuality diametrically opposed to the "family values" that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just "conveniently" forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we're all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It's just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about "Christian values", and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    Boilerplate finger wagging here. You just assume that anybody not completely like you is some Moral Majority type-your’re too intellectually lazy to acknowledge any difference between writers-like Steve, who’s never written anything religious I can think of- so you just sling low common denominator stuff. You remind me of when someone laid into me for having a couple of supposedly extreme-right views, and went into the mocking Leave It To Beaver/Guns for Jesus thing you types do reflexively. I sat there for a second, and said, “Sorry, I was tuning you out because I’m pretty stoned right now and thinking about this hot chick I’m picking up at that drum circle tonight.”

  88. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    With “conservative” allies like Thiel you don’t need liberal adversaries
     
    "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons." - Winston Churchill

    We need a team effort. If you want to rigidly enforce a narrow perspective, then you will have too few players to field a team.

    You are ceding the battlefield - and doing the bidding of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    We need Thiel, and Milo, and Dierdre, and Caitlyn Jennings, and who knows how many others to resist the Bolsheviks.

    Ok, we can use these people to win and dump them afterwards. Does this sound better?
    Is it too much to ask for these fellow travelers to accept a little bit of criticism. I was calling out Thiel on his blindness to the fact that he seems to forget that open homosexuality advocacy and gay marriage do not belong either in a normal and sane society.
    I’d rather have Brendan Eich on board than Thiel. Remember, this super duper billionaire has only donated $ 1.25 to Trump. That’s chump change for him, like an ordinary guy donating $200. Does Trump or the right really need him? He’s not even a good public speaker.
    And for the record, libertarians, gay or straight, are liberals. You young alt-righters should read more and get a real glimpse of the world.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Correction: $ 1.25 millions. Chump change for Thiel.
    , @Kyle
    Yeah I'm a liberal.
    I read. What's wrong with liberals?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    You young alt-righters should read more and get a real glimpse of the world.
     
    I'll work on that.
  89. @Unladen Swallow
    Baffling statement, he has fought for the right on every issue of consequence since he was an undergraduate at Stanford in the late 1980's. He fought Jesse Jackson and his attempt to destroy the undergraduate requirements for Western Civilization at Stanford, and he has spoken out forcefully for that and against P.C. as well against De-industrialization and illegal immigration. Meanwhile, most billionaires not only support all of those things, but fund them actively. However because he is gay, you can't trust him, got it.

    I don’t trust him because he’s a libertarian, not just because he’s gay.
    ( though gays are usually unreliable sociopaths) . Libertarians see right-wingers as fellow travelers, but they belong on the left on most issues. Deep down, they’re liberals, classic liberals if you like, whose sole aim is unfettered freedom not truth. They’re using us, not the other way around. Thiel is using trumpists for some undisclosed reason. Normal sexuality and normal family values do not seem to rank high on his agenda.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Did you watch any more of that video? He actually sounded like something of a Tory, he mentioned that once our country's govt. did great things like the Manhattan Project, The Interstate Highway System, and the space program. He even said we shouldn't use free market economics to argue against the federal government trying to do things like that. I think he's more of a libertarian leaning conservative than a true libertarian, but so are a lot of people on the right, Charles Murray and Thomas Sowell notably.

    His company, Palantir Technologies is a really interesting case history, he initially funded out of his own pocket and started the company out to help our intelligence and law enforcement agencies and it even received a bit of start up money from the CIA's venture fund ( Although most of the initial capital came from Thiel ) . It now seems to get it's clients from both the Federal Government and Wall Street equally. The company like his friend Elon Musk's companies has been funded both by venture capital and government contracts.

    And like I said before he has mentioned the deindustrialization of the country as something that is bad, not many libertarians or traditional GOP conservatives have done that, nor have they openly supported Trump. Have you read what a lot of libertarians are saying? they are going nuts opposing Trump, and they still think illegal immigration and trade deals with China are awesome. If you want go after some crazy libertarians, take aim at the people like Bryan Caplan, Tyler Cowen and the people who work at Reason magazine not Thiel.

  90. @The Anti-Gnostic

    No enemies on the right. None. Take your purity and expound upon it AFTER the victory.
     
    Exactimundo. This is political warfare, not debate over precious, precious principle.

    I think it goes beyond expediency.

    The right of tomorrow is not the right of yesterday. Like BB753, I pine for the days of one man-one woman marriage and the days of pre-Game romantic sentimentality. I also want to live in a world without AI and eugenics. But we’re never going to get that place in the future unless our power sources dry up, which is far in the future if ever.

    • Replies: @CK
    What is wrong with being expedient? We take the main chance because by definition it is the one with the highest probability of victory.
    I note that the wedding announcement for one man one woman have not declined in the local paper, nor have those announcement declined in the NYT upper crust announcement sections.
    Romantic sentimentality for whom? The upper crust never succumbed to that foolishness, and the lower classes just keep on humpin. Victorian vapours aside there has never been a time without "game." Seduction, Don Juanis, Baby it's cold outside, Dapper Dan Draper, Beau Brummel, the list is as long as humanity. You never leave the game, and married or single, straight or bent game never leaves you.
    Upthread I made some comments on eugenics. The horsebreeders equation holds. Better dogs, better horses, better cows etc. A king Canute once commanded the sea to stop.
    It ignored him. Better AI is inevitable; and that which inevitable you can either serve or command as always the choice is yours.
  91. @Larry, San Francisco
    You have no idea what rent seeking means. There is no evidence that Facebook or PayPal used government aid/government regulation to get started. Network effects are not rent seeking unless you have bribed government officials to get it. Facebook beat the more established MySpace and PayPal filled the space left by the big credit card companies (although they are more rent seeking now as government has become more interventionist). If you want to talk about a slimy Silicon Valley venture the winner is Vinod Khosla.
    He bought one of the best wind surfing beaches in the world (near where the Mavericks competition is held) closed it to the surfers and then tried to sell it back for a large profit
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Vinod-Khosla-wants-30-million-for-Martins-Beach-6847689.php

    He also looted subsidies for renewable energy:
    http://fortune.com/kior-vinod-khosla-clean-tech/

    Vinod Khosla…… agree with you on this odious immigrant/

    Portfolio — Power | Khosla Ventures
    http://www.khoslaventures.com/portfolio/power
    Ausra manufactures and develops utility-scale solar technologies to … The result is an on-site power … The firm was founded in 2004 by Vinod Khosla, …

  92. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/793282936443371520

    Re: WikiLeaks tweet, “US DoJ Assistant AG briefing Congress about the Huma Abedin email investigation is Peter Kadzik. This Peter Kadzik.”

    CBS This Morning (7 am Eastern) led off with twinned stories of Clinton’s email problem (Weiner’s laptop) and Trump’s email problem (Manafort’s Russia ties).

    When discussing the Clinton developments, the reporter voice-overed about the Dept. of Justice duly investigating, while flashing an image of an official-looking letter on DoJ letterhead. You could barely make out Peter Kadzik on the signature line.

    Brazen.

    After watching this TV show that is ostensibly about the news, Nice Liberal Ladies (etc.) will know less about current developments, than if they’d turned to Inside Edition or Mister Ed reruns.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    On Jeff Pegues' CBS This Morning segment, Peter Kadzik's letter to Congress can be seen at the 2 min 20 sec mark. It's almost as if CBS wants certain people to notice that they're Stronger Together.
    , @27 year old
    >After watching this TV show that is ostensibly about the news, Nice Liberal Ladies (etc.) will know less about current developments, than if they’d turned to Inside Edition or Mister Ed reruns.

    This is an important point, today's media is not just useless, it's negative value. People are actually less informed about the subject than if they had not watched it at all.
  93. Meanwhile, on the Internet: The 11th-hour appeal of the Progressive Prof (whom I otherwise admire):

    If you’re planning on voting for a third-party candidate: again, that might make sense if the differences between the two viable candidates were not great, but that is absolutely not the case here. More specifically, if you’re a progressive planning on voting for Jill Stein, please look at what happened in 2000. People who did the same thing in Florida (voting for Nader then) gave us George W. Bush as president, which was a disaster for the progressive cause. I also urge you to look deep within your heart and ask yourself whether your behavior is a realistic engagement with the world, or self-involved moral posturing.

    You are out there, doing moral posturing. Drop your principles. Vote Clinton!

    If you think Trump will, for instance, appoint Supreme Court justices that share your moral values, note that he has reportedly told Peter Thiel that he would like to appoint him to the Court. Thiel is a gay, radical libertarian Silicon Valley billionaire from San Francisco with highly eccentric views. I doubt you share his moral values (since virtually no one else does, right, left or center).

    Thiel is the Other, transgressing his assigned LGBT boundaries. Vote Clinton!

    Most people here in New York City probably do think you’re an ignorant racist. Your problem though is that Donald Trump is one of us. He’s a well-off New Yorker through and through, looks down on you every bit as much as others. If elected he will govern in the interest of his tribe, not yours. If you think otherwise, you’ve been conned. All you will accomplish by a vote for Trump is to convince people in New York, Washington D.C. and California that you really are even more ignorant than they thought, a racist fool taken in by an obvious con.

    You are a getting it anyway, so bear it and vote Clinton!

    Most damaging though is the behavior of the mainstream media, in particular that of the New York Times, whose coverage of this issue has been atrociously unfair to Clinton. This is not new behavior for them, it goes back to the first Clinton administration, during which they promoted endless similar nonsense (Travelgate, Whitewater, etc., etc.). At the time I found it hard to understand why they were doing this, with one conjecture that it had to do with reporters and editors harboring some sort of resentment, intent on taking down the Clintons a notch.

    It’s a right-wing conspiracy by the MSM. Vote Clinton!

    • Replies: @Jack D

    Most damaging though is the behavior of the mainstream media, in particular that of the New York Times, whose coverage of this issue has been atrociously unfair to Clinton
     
    We call people "delusional" when their perception of reality does not coincide with known facts. Every known survey of MSM reporters, records of their campaign contributions, etc. all point to their being, by an overwhelming margin, liberal Democrats who would have much greater sympathy for the Democrat candidate. The NY Times has explicitly endorsed Hillary and has run numerous hit pieces against Trump, including one today that accuses Trump of tax evasion : "Thanks to this one maneuver, which was later outlawed by Congress, Mr. Trump potentially escaped paying tens of millions of dollars in federal personal income taxes..." {If you read between the lines of Pravda, I mean the NY Times, this means that when he did this (the Times BTW is talking about something that happened 25 years ago), it was perfectly legal}.

    So, either Progressive Prof (and his kind - he is not the only one saying this) is either delusional or his idea of "fair" coverage for Hillary is similar to the kind of coverage that Kim Jong-Un gets in the N. Korean press. Anything short of that is "unfair".
  94. @Comey the Clown
    Abortion only became a quagmire for the right when it degenerated into fundie virtue-signaling ("I do so care about the lil' fetus"). As an institution it's bad for the same reason birth control is: the social coarsening effect. Yet few pro-life rank & file can articulate this, instead believe they're actually paladins saving the fetus in distress. Then there is the really pathetic schism over the "rape exception." No consistent pro-lifer would be fooled by this spurious wedge, but guess who gets painted "extremist" by the more consensus-minded official pro-life frauds... also the Catholics have introduced deliberate fog by somehow conflating it with the death penalty and permanent welfare checks.

    Gay marriage destroys society as we know it from a different path. I think it should be OK for conservatives to de-prioritize it, but the (very common circa 2002) cuckservative meme that gay nuptials were "better than the alternative" looks sillier with passing years.

    As an institution it’s bad for the same reason birth control is: the social coarsening effect. Yet few pro-life rank & file can articulate this

    I agree with the opinion, but in the end it’s just an opinion based upon a value judgement. You can argue it all you like, and I obviously believe the arguments for it are strong, but people will always be free to disagree with it. That’s why political opponents of abortion often prefer to stick to arguments from principle – either specifically Christian morality or a wider pro-life principle.

    The left has frequently done the same, often preferring to talk about their own “principles” such as women’s “rights to control their bodies” rather than the perceived social benefits.

    Gay marriage destroys society as we know it from a different path. I think it should be OK for conservatives to de-prioritize it, but the (very common circa 2002) cuckservative meme that gay nuptials were “better than the alternative” looks sillier with passing years.

    There is a genuine problem here for conservatives of principle versus pragmatism. The several commenters above who point out that by compromising over this issue and accepting people who are openly committed to deviant sexual behaviour as opinion leaders we implicitly accept a fundamental debasement of our society are correct.

    On the other hand, those who have replied by arguing for a broad church and the primary importance of political victory of any kind, on pragmatic grounds, are also correct.

    This is an eternal human political dilemma, and the reality is that everyone wants the issues they aren’t particularly bothered about to be included in the big tent, and the issues they are particularly focused on to be excluded.

    For me, traditionalist views on race, on nation and on sexuality are of equal importance in a well ordered society. I cannot easily accept those who aggressively flaunt their deviance (even if it works well for them as a protective cloak against the leftist establishment, by making them a member of one of the specially privileged minorities) as representative of me in any way, but I don’t have as much of a problem with those who relatively quietly get on with their own lives and keep their bad habits to themselves. Which probably leaves me drawing my personal line somewhere between Thiel and the pervert journo with the Greek name that I can never remember exactly.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    For me, traditionalist views on race, on nation and on sexuality are of equal importance in a well ordered society.
     
    If you replace the race, you cannot have the nation, and sexual morals (and pretty much everything else) will change beyond recognition.

    I cannot for the life of me fathom how HBD-aware people can say that race or immigration are "of equal importance" to any other issue, when that other issue will likely be changed beyond recognition with another race (e.g. once the French will be replaced by Arabs, they will both ban gay marriage and engage in gay or goat sex all the time), and also it wouldn't matter (why should a Frenchman care one way or another how the Arabs will organize their society once they have completely replaced the French?)

  95. @ic1000
    Re: WikiLeaks tweet, "US DoJ Assistant AG briefing Congress about the Huma Abedin email investigation is Peter Kadzik. This Peter Kadzik."

    CBS This Morning (7 am Eastern) led off with twinned stories of Clinton's email problem (Weiner's laptop) and Trump's email problem (Manafort's Russia ties).

    When discussing the Clinton developments, the reporter voice-overed about the Dept. of Justice duly investigating, while flashing an image of an official-looking letter on DoJ letterhead. You could barely make out Peter Kadzik on the signature line.

    Brazen.

    After watching this TV show that is ostensibly about the news, Nice Liberal Ladies (etc.) will know less about current developments, than if they'd turned to Inside Edition or Mister Ed reruns.

    On Jeff Pegues’ CBS This Morning segment, Peter Kadzik’s letter to Congress can be seen at the 2 min 20 sec mark. It’s almost as if CBS wants certain people to notice that they’re Stronger Together.

  96. @Randal

    As an institution it’s bad for the same reason birth control is: the social coarsening effect. Yet few pro-life rank & file can articulate this
     
    I agree with the opinion, but in the end it's just an opinion based upon a value judgement. You can argue it all you like, and I obviously believe the arguments for it are strong, but people will always be free to disagree with it. That's why political opponents of abortion often prefer to stick to arguments from principle - either specifically Christian morality or a wider pro-life principle.

    The left has frequently done the same, often preferring to talk about their own "principles" such as women's "rights to control their bodies" rather than the perceived social benefits.


    Gay marriage destroys society as we know it from a different path. I think it should be OK for conservatives to de-prioritize it, but the (very common circa 2002) cuckservative meme that gay nuptials were “better than the alternative” looks sillier with passing years.
     
    There is a genuine problem here for conservatives of principle versus pragmatism. The several commenters above who point out that by compromising over this issue and accepting people who are openly committed to deviant sexual behaviour as opinion leaders we implicitly accept a fundamental debasement of our society are correct.

    On the other hand, those who have replied by arguing for a broad church and the primary importance of political victory of any kind, on pragmatic grounds, are also correct.

    This is an eternal human political dilemma, and the reality is that everyone wants the issues they aren't particularly bothered about to be included in the big tent, and the issues they are particularly focused on to be excluded.

    For me, traditionalist views on race, on nation and on sexuality are of equal importance in a well ordered society. I cannot easily accept those who aggressively flaunt their deviance (even if it works well for them as a protective cloak against the leftist establishment, by making them a member of one of the specially privileged minorities) as representative of me in any way, but I don't have as much of a problem with those who relatively quietly get on with their own lives and keep their bad habits to themselves. Which probably leaves me drawing my personal line somewhere between Thiel and the pervert journo with the Greek name that I can never remember exactly.

    For me, traditionalist views on race, on nation and on sexuality are of equal importance in a well ordered society.

    If you replace the race, you cannot have the nation, and sexual morals (and pretty much everything else) will change beyond recognition.

    I cannot for the life of me fathom how HBD-aware people can say that race or immigration are “of equal importance” to any other issue, when that other issue will likely be changed beyond recognition with another race (e.g. once the French will be replaced by Arabs, they will both ban gay marriage and engage in gay or goat sex all the time), and also it wouldn’t matter (why should a Frenchman care one way or another how the Arabs will organize their society once they have completely replaced the French?)

    • Agree: ATX Hipster
    • Replies: @Randal
    Without the nation and the national borders that are the only realistic defence against mass immigration, there is no protection for racial groups. In any case, I tend to sympathise more with Sailer's "citizenism" approach rather than the white identity stuff, though I can see the points for both sides of that debate.

    As for sexual morality, it's the quality of the society that matters to me, and if we are going to become permanently the kind of society that regards the kind of behaviour exemplified by the aforementioned journo (not just open advocacy of homosexual activity, also the loud, brash, bullying, form over substance approach generally, that has been part of the cultural pollution we in the UK have imported from the US over the past century) then ultimately I don't think the society or the race is worth defending anyway.

    You might well be correct that the third is less fundamental than the other two, but it's a more immediate issue, imo.
    , @Ben Frank
    reiner Tor is right. Every problem is a people problem. If you import the wrong people, you can wreck a country.
    , @Lurker
    There is a British site called 'National Preservation'. Sounds good doesn't it. Well calm yourself because it's actually about preserving railways.

    They had a thread recently on how to get young people more involved. All quite reasonable. I joined in to point out that there was a more severe demographic issue that would be increasingly important.

    Because, almost needless to say, go to any heritage/steam railway and Quantravious and Abdul are conspicuous by their near-total absence. Sure there may be visiting school parties but black/brown folks don't go voluntarily as paying visitors and as for actually turning up to work as volunteers (which is what keeps this whole sector going) - forget it. I've never heard of, or seen, a single solitary example.

    Firstly the resident cucks flat out deny this is the case, though of course they can't even supply any anecdotal evidence to the contrary let alone any actual statistics. Then we move on to the huffing and puffing about it not mattering etc You can't say that!

    I also pointed out the irony - the one thing they don't want to preserve is the people who invented railways in the first place. One of them actually said to me that "Well, all those people are dead and gone". Unfrikkenbelievable.

    Whats depressing is these are people who are generally 'conservative' in outlook, yet here they were cucking as hard as any 20 year old SJW.
  97. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    “which is, I guess, the new normal.”

    Actually, the old normal, BJ (Before Jew).

  98. Good for Thiel. He is absolutely right. I don’t want America to be “Great Again”. Being “Great” is its downfall. It is vital to the well-being of the actual American nation, that the destructive doctrine of “American Exceptionalism” be dethroned.

  99. @BB753
    I merely followed Thiels's train of thought. Let's return to normality. Why stop with gay marriage?

    Why start with it?

  100. @BB753
    Ok, we can use these people to win and dump them afterwards. Does this sound better?
    Is it too much to ask for these fellow travelers to accept a little bit of criticism. I was calling out Thiel on his blindness to the fact that he seems to forget that open homosexuality advocacy and gay marriage do not belong either in a normal and sane society.
    I'd rather have Brendan Eich on board than Thiel. Remember, this super duper billionaire has only donated $ 1.25 to Trump. That's chump change for him, like an ordinary guy donating $200. Does Trump or the right really need him? He's not even a good public speaker.
    And for the record, libertarians, gay or straight, are liberals. You young alt-righters should read more and get a real glimpse of the world.

    Correction: $ 1.25 millions. Chump change for Thiel.

  101. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they’re currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)

     

    Daughter Calvinist is approaching college age. I would actually love to know which colleges you're talking about, because a high-quality liberal arts college that's being undersold sounds very good.

    I know Hillsdale is good, and not liberal, but it's often left off ranking lists altogether because it refuses to take government funding.

    Is Wheaton (the one in Illinois) another one? I guess they must be getting punished somewhere somehow for actually tossing out that faculty member who was pushing heresy.

    Wheaton is alleged to be good, but it’s very Evangelical Christian: if that’s not a big part of your daughter’s makeup, she really won’t be comfortable there.

    I pay attention to Wheaton because both of my maternal grandparents went there (although my grandfather ultimately graduated from Pomona), and my great-grandfather was a chemistry professor there, and it was founded by my great-great grandfather Jonathan Blanchard. Despite all that, I never even considered going there myself.

  102. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    The Rainbow Choo-Choo has left the station a long time ago.

    Would you engage yourself in deviant sex with Peter Thiel, if that act of sacrifice is the only thing in the world that automatically grants Trump the unalienable right to slide his orange butt on that leather chair in the Oval Office ?

    Based on your facial expression, it seems you’re trying to pretend like you’ve been unjustly cornered with some kind of Sophie’s Choice.

    Take your time.

    Your sphincter has started slowly to relax, because your inner libertarian senses how Thiel is not only a formidable ally, but actually quite a decent person for being a billionaire.

    Be glad that Peter The Bedfellow is ready to share a bed with deplorables of all kinds.

  103. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Then not only will we make Mexico pay for the wall, but they will also do the shooting for us.

    Nice try at recovering from that embarrassing oversight, but sorry no cigar.

  104. @Comey the Clown
    Abortion only became a quagmire for the right when it degenerated into fundie virtue-signaling ("I do so care about the lil' fetus"). As an institution it's bad for the same reason birth control is: the social coarsening effect. Yet few pro-life rank & file can articulate this, instead believe they're actually paladins saving the fetus in distress. Then there is the really pathetic schism over the "rape exception." No consistent pro-lifer would be fooled by this spurious wedge, but guess who gets painted "extremist" by the more consensus-minded official pro-life frauds... also the Catholics have introduced deliberate fog by somehow conflating it with the death penalty and permanent welfare checks.

    Gay marriage destroys society as we know it from a different path. I think it should be OK for conservatives to de-prioritize it, but the (very common circa 2002) cuckservative meme that gay nuptials were "better than the alternative" looks sillier with passing years.

    Yes, opposition to abortion is conservative virtue-signalling – but that implies that there is an underlying virtue, an underlying principle: A woman’s “right to choose” (that is, a woman’s complete control over her reproduction) is of less importance than “Thou shalt not murder”. Obviously, if you subscribe to that principle you tend to view society in a different way than if you do not.

    Furthermore, virtue-signalling even tends to build virtue and culture where there was less before. “We are what we pretend to be”. That goes for the individual and for society. So, we have several effects of a principled stance on abortion:

    * Saving lifes (ceteris paribus a good)
    * Hindering immediate effects of abortion on society
    * Opportunity to virtue-signal and thus taking part in building a culture that is not only opposed to abortion, but also to a morally untethered status of women and men in society
    * Bettering one’s own selve

    In conclusion, conservatives should stay on principle on this one and on many others, and forgo the big tent.

  105. Thiel is showing boldness on so many fronts. It’s nice to know there is at least one of him in Silicon Valley.

  106. I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had “adventures” with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter’s sexuality didn’t fit your ideal of “normal”. Is Peter’s sexuality included in your definition of a “normal” country? Isn’t his sexuality diametrically opposed to the “family values” that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just “conveniently” forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we’re all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It’s just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about “Christian values”, and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    When you got nothin, just make a bunch of shit up. After all, you’re a leftist, so you have no honor to lose…

  107. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    Thiel is with us on the only issues that matter. Gay marriage is a triviality. If it’s really important to you, settle it sometime after we’ve stopped the process of being replaced by a new electorate.

  108. @Larry, San Francisco
    You have no idea what rent seeking means. There is no evidence that Facebook or PayPal used government aid/government regulation to get started. Network effects are not rent seeking unless you have bribed government officials to get it. Facebook beat the more established MySpace and PayPal filled the space left by the big credit card companies (although they are more rent seeking now as government has become more interventionist). If you want to talk about a slimy Silicon Valley venture the winner is Vinod Khosla.
    He bought one of the best wind surfing beaches in the world (near where the Mavericks competition is held) closed it to the surfers and then tried to sell it back for a large profit
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Vinod-Khosla-wants-30-million-for-Martins-Beach-6847689.php

    He also looted subsidies for renewable energy:
    http://fortune.com/kior-vinod-khosla-clean-tech/

    I just cited the conventional, libertarian-ish conception of rent-seeking which narrowly restricts it to government lobbying, so obviously I do know what it means. There are classical rent and more modern theories that incorporate network effects as rent seeking.

  109. @Jack Highlands
    Odd that such a wealthy man does not seem to understand the difference between a 'normal' country - seemingly, one without a half-trillion dollar trade deficit, and the one country that gets to issue the global reserve currency.

    Odd that such a wealthy man does not seem to understand the difference between a ‘normal’ country – seemingly, one without a half-trillion dollar trade deficit, and the one country that gets to issue the global reserve currency.

    Indeed.

  110. @Lot
    Your non-standard conception of rent-seeking as "capturing rent" from "government provided" property rights is so broad that it would include nearly all business activity.

    They may be monopolies deserving of antitrust regulation, but you do not need to rent-seek to establish a monopoly.

    While libertarians are really fond of saying "rent seeking," it is a concept in standard mainstream economics with a precise meaning.

    Yes, a more comprehensive conception of rent-seeking that includes more than just directly lobbying the government does include more activity. For example, individual homeowners obtain part of the rent of the network effect. But they don’t obtain all of it, like a landlord who owns the entire network would.

  111. @El Dato
    Meanwhile, on the Internet: The 11th-hour appeal of the Progressive Prof (whom I otherwise admire):

    If you’re planning on voting for a third-party candidate: again, that might make sense if the differences between the two viable candidates were not great, but that is absolutely not the case here. More specifically, if you’re a progressive planning on voting for Jill Stein, please look at what happened in 2000. People who did the same thing in Florida (voting for Nader then) gave us George W. Bush as president, which was a disaster for the progressive cause. I also urge you to look deep within your heart and ask yourself whether your behavior is a realistic engagement with the world, or self-involved moral posturing.

    You are out there, doing moral posturing. Drop your principles. Vote Clinton!

    If you think Trump will, for instance, appoint Supreme Court justices that share your moral values, note that he has reportedly told Peter Thiel that he would like to appoint him to the Court. Thiel is a gay, radical libertarian Silicon Valley billionaire from San Francisco with highly eccentric views. I doubt you share his moral values (since virtually no one else does, right, left or center).

    Thiel is the Other, transgressing his assigned LGBT boundaries. Vote Clinton!

    Most people here in New York City probably do think you’re an ignorant racist. Your problem though is that Donald Trump is one of us. He’s a well-off New Yorker through and through, looks down on you every bit as much as others. If elected he will govern in the interest of his tribe, not yours. If you think otherwise, you’ve been conned. All you will accomplish by a vote for Trump is to convince people in New York, Washington D.C. and California that you really are even more ignorant than they thought, a racist fool taken in by an obvious con.

    You are a getting it anyway, so bear it and vote Clinton!

    Most damaging though is the behavior of the mainstream media, in particular that of the New York Times, whose coverage of this issue has been atrociously unfair to Clinton. This is not new behavior for them, it goes back to the first Clinton administration, during which they promoted endless similar nonsense (Travelgate, Whitewater, etc., etc.). At the time I found it hard to understand why they were doing this, with one conjecture that it had to do with reporters and editors harboring some sort of resentment, intent on taking down the Clintons a notch.

    It's a right-wing conspiracy by the MSM. Vote Clinton!

    Most damaging though is the behavior of the mainstream media, in particular that of the New York Times, whose coverage of this issue has been atrociously unfair to Clinton

    We call people “delusional” when their perception of reality does not coincide with known facts. Every known survey of MSM reporters, records of their campaign contributions, etc. all point to their being, by an overwhelming margin, liberal Democrats who would have much greater sympathy for the Democrat candidate. The NY Times has explicitly endorsed Hillary and has run numerous hit pieces against Trump, including one today that accuses Trump of tax evasion : “Thanks to this one maneuver, which was later outlawed by Congress, Mr. Trump potentially escaped paying tens of millions of dollars in federal personal income taxes…” {If you read between the lines of Pravda, I mean the NY Times, this means that when he did this (the Times BTW is talking about something that happened 25 years ago), it was perfectly legal}.

    So, either Progressive Prof (and his kind – he is not the only one saying this) is either delusional or his idea of “fair” coverage for Hillary is similar to the kind of coverage that Kim Jong-Un gets in the N. Korean press. Anything short of that is “unfair”.

  112. @Anonymous
    Kasich voted for McCain today!

    These nevertrump a-holes are probably going to form a gang alliance in the senate with the donks and try to totally block Trump's first 100 days agenda.

    Nevertrumpers are taking it to the grave.

    Fortunately Kasich isn’t in the Senate…

  113. @BB753
    With "conservative" allies like Thiel you don't need liberal adversaries.

    The reason the Coalition of the Fringes exists in the first place as a winning (or near winning) coalition instead of a small bunch of disaffected losers is that too many people felt that unless they met the standards of moral and racial and religious and gender perfection of conservatism that they had no place in it. And the reason they felt that way was because there were folks like you acting as the Purity Police who were ready to excommunicate them from the church of conservatism if they fell short in any way. I don’t think you can elect a President (or anyone else outside of Utah) with just the Mormon vote (and maybe you can’t even allow them in your club, what with their strange heretical religion.) By the time you are done disqualify everyone, there will be like you and two other old white guys in your club.

    • Replies: @BB753
    I've explained myself elsewhere on posts Sailer has not deemed fit for publication.
    To the extent Thiel wants to be part of a broad coalition, which I doubt being a libertarian turncoat, he should be told he does not get to define normality because he is not normal. Homosexuality is not normal and never can be. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It's just looking the other way by respectable people. I dont care what you do in private, just stay in your closet, and shut up about gayness. No, deviants should not be allowed to marry among themselves or adopt children. Gays can never be respectable and should be put in their place whenever they try to set the limits of discourse.
    Lastly, how can we defeat cultural Marxism if we allow gays to infiltrate our ranks? Cultural Marxism would never have succeeded without gays and feminists.

    Furthermore, I distrust Thiel more on account of his libertarian faith than his homosexuality. Libertarians are liberals trying to railroad conservatism.
    I hope Sailer (or Unz) lets this comment through, after being bashed and insulted by the pink brigade I think I deserve a reply.
    For the record, I don't trust Mormons either. Or most strict Evangelicals. I'd be willing to kick them out too.

  114. @Bragadocious
    I like the National Press Club "interviewer"/shill for Hillary

    "Are you concerned about Trump's comments on women/Muslims?"

    "What about Trump's tax return?"

    "What if Trump throws all gays into the oven?"

    Or something.

    If a jagoff like him asked me those questions I'd simply hold up a mirror and remind him of Hillary's manifold crimes against humanity. I didn't think Thiel handled the questions very nimbly, but I welcome his support.

    The questions posed to Thiel were a generous insight to the Nat’l Press Club and audience. The loaded assumption was that Trump is beyond the pale, and that Washington elites determine The Narrative and agenda. Revealing.

  115. @reiner Tor

    For me, traditionalist views on race, on nation and on sexuality are of equal importance in a well ordered society.
     
    If you replace the race, you cannot have the nation, and sexual morals (and pretty much everything else) will change beyond recognition.

    I cannot for the life of me fathom how HBD-aware people can say that race or immigration are "of equal importance" to any other issue, when that other issue will likely be changed beyond recognition with another race (e.g. once the French will be replaced by Arabs, they will both ban gay marriage and engage in gay or goat sex all the time), and also it wouldn't matter (why should a Frenchman care one way or another how the Arabs will organize their society once they have completely replaced the French?)

    Without the nation and the national borders that are the only realistic defence against mass immigration, there is no protection for racial groups. In any case, I tend to sympathise more with Sailer’s “citizenism” approach rather than the white identity stuff, though I can see the points for both sides of that debate.

    As for sexual morality, it’s the quality of the society that matters to me, and if we are going to become permanently the kind of society that regards the kind of behaviour exemplified by the aforementioned journo (not just open advocacy of homosexual activity, also the loud, brash, bullying, form over substance approach generally, that has been part of the cultural pollution we in the UK have imported from the US over the past century) then ultimately I don’t think the society or the race is worth defending anyway.

    You might well be correct that the third is less fundamental than the other two, but it’s a more immediate issue, imo.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Citizenism is worthless without white identity. It's in the interest of American blacks to have a functioning white majority, actually, I think for most Asians it's also more comfortable to live in a mostly white country with a functioning white majority. Mestizos and Amerinds, ditto.

    And white identitarianism without any kind of citizenism will lead to civil war or at least an apartheid-style polity, which, given the white psyche, is bound to eventually fall.

    So citizenism shouldn't be thought of as an alternative to white identitarianism, rather as a complementer ideology. The two together work better.
    , @reiner Tor

    As for sexual morality, it’s the quality of the society that matters to me, and if we are going to become permanently the kind of society that regards the kind of behaviour exemplified by the aforementioned journo (not just open advocacy of homosexual activity, also the loud, brash, bullying, form over substance approach generally, that has been part of the cultural pollution we in the UK have imported from the US over the past century) then ultimately I don’t think the society or the race is worth defending anyway.
     
    Your race is your extended family. It is your duty to support and perpetuate your family, even if they fail your high moral standards. Especially since whites are at least one of the two most creative and innovative major racial groups (the other being Orientals), without whom the whole of humanity would suffer.
  116. @Anon
    I didn't contribute because I am a prof at a very liberal college. It would not take much for a couple of girls to makeup that I grabbed their butt. I keep my door open and a table where they sit across from me, but they would be believed, especially over a Trump supporting white male. Trump's completely unsupported accusers got front page news. That puts a target on every guy's back.

    We definitely have the people in the Afro- latino or women's studies department who might even suggest that maybe the girls were harassed in a way that they did not realize at the time. Just like that poor guy at Occidental.

    One or two complaints I might survive, after that the Dean gets rid of me no matter my contributions to the school.

    That is how PC enforces its dictates.

    Academic freedom is great until you try to use it.

  117. @reiner Tor

    For me, traditionalist views on race, on nation and on sexuality are of equal importance in a well ordered society.
     
    If you replace the race, you cannot have the nation, and sexual morals (and pretty much everything else) will change beyond recognition.

    I cannot for the life of me fathom how HBD-aware people can say that race or immigration are "of equal importance" to any other issue, when that other issue will likely be changed beyond recognition with another race (e.g. once the French will be replaced by Arabs, they will both ban gay marriage and engage in gay or goat sex all the time), and also it wouldn't matter (why should a Frenchman care one way or another how the Arabs will organize their society once they have completely replaced the French?)

    reiner Tor is right. Every problem is a people problem. If you import the wrong people, you can wreck a country.

    • Replies: @Randal

    reiner Tor is right. Every problem is a people problem. If you import the wrong people, you can wreck a country.
     
    The evidence of the past few decades seems to be that you don't need to import people to wreck a country, as far as I can see.

    The numbers of immigrants in Britain were trivial up until the very late C20th, and yet it was that very period before real mass immigration on the modern scale which saw the two disastrous world wars, and the transformation from a country in which for most people for most of the time government was a distant irrelevance, to one in which it is an ever-present interferer in every aspect of every citizen's life, and saw propaganda used to socially engineer a change in the basic morality of the country, from Christianity (nominally, at any rate) to post-Christian approval of sexual deviance. In that period the old established elites were overturned and replaced by the trans-national elite that now rules, using every indoctrination trick in the book to impose internationalist dogmas and destroy resistance to the real mass immigration that started in the 1990s.

    Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence of social bankruptcy, not the cause.

    We did it to ourselves.
  118. @BB753
    This guy is not even on the right. I don't trust him. And you're naive to trust people like Thiel.

    You are the only one talking about trust.
    Victory first. Defeat Hillary and every evil thing she and her minions of darkness stand for.
    Defeat her RINO allies and grind their bones into dust and their memories erase from the record of history.
    Make certain that it is we who count the vote … and distrust those who do the counting; the Bundy’s learned to their dismay that their were 15 rats in their compound. It is safe to assume that there are many rats and Rinos in ours.
    Trust, the word, falls between trap and truthiness in the dictionary.

  119. @Wilkey
    "A normal country doesn’t have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal."

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It's a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.

    To the extent that homosexuality is a problem, it is only that so many homosexuals care so little about the future of the country since they have no progeny to be part of it. Thiel actually takes an interest in our future despite being gay, yet you berate him for it.

    Just go away, troll.

    “Homosexuality is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.”

    Homosexuality is indeed a cultural policy, one that is on the radar of the Alt Right. The promotion of that lifestyle by Cultural Marxists in our media has been defined as a scourge by these ideologues, one that without question must be eradicated. However, those same hard-right elitists offer Thiel a “free pass” merely because he is on their side on a host of other issues. Well, I suppose since Thiel is “their gay guy” why should it matter that they are being hypocritical.

    “To the extent that homosexuality is a problem, it is only that so many homosexuals care so little about the future of the country since they have no progeny to be part of it.”

    So this is the basis by which a group of people ought to be squarely judged regarding their interest in the direction of the nation, that they must have children in order to secure its future?
    You do realize that there are also non-homosexuals who have no kids yet are committed to our country, or has that fact escaped you?

    Praytell, does Thiel have any white children?

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    people ought to be squarely judged
     
    Ah, the judgemental Corvinus, with a righteous perch from which to judge, virtuously judges while jealously guarding the precept that "judge not, lest ye be judged" - that Corvinus, his righteousness is shining brightly now, and when Corvinus ushers in our glorious Soviet future he ensure that we all will all genuflect and lick his boots.
  120. Make PayPal Great Again

  121. @415 reasons
    Speaking for myself I don't give a shit about his sexuality. I don't care about anybody's sexuality. I just want my kids to grow up in a country that even vaguely resembles the one I grew up in.

    “I just want my kids to grow up in a country that even vaguely resembles the one I grew up in.”

    Which, you do realize, did NOT include open homosexuals in important political, economic, or social positions.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    That's not even on the radar of what I'm talking about. I mean a country where the standard of living doesn't get worse and worse every year. Where income inequality isn't on par with third world countries. Where people don't have to be retarded politically correct morons who parrot the party line on every inanity. The part of our society having to *celebrate* LGBTQ alphabet soup or be proven to be a thought criminal is what's objectionable, not the fact that prominent people in society are openly gay.
    , @Jack D
    The problem with your statement is the word "open". Homosexuality (which has always existed among a small % of the population) should be a private matter and not a political one. There were always gays in important political, economic and social positions, they just did not advertise their gayness (although often it was an open secret). What did NOT exist in the past (and should not exist now) is an explicitly homosexual political identity. If such a thing exists in your society (and not only exists but is allowed to be the tail that wags the dog), it is not good because homosexuals have interests that differ from those of the greater society. For example, just before the AIDs era, there were homosexual activists who advocated that the police should stop policing the promiscuous sex that was going on in gay bathhouses in NY and SF - it was harmless. Not only did this turn out to be spectacularly wrong but promiscuity is even more corrosive to the larger society where it results in unwanted pregnancies, destruction of the family, etc. It's OK for gays to have political views, as Thiel does, but to the extent that their political views are "gay political views" they should be taken as such and disregarded by those who are not gay.

    Thiel BTW was never an "open" homosexual - he was "outed". Outing leftists is considered to be a bad thing but anything you do to a badwhite is OK.

  122. @Anonymous
    Kasich voted for McCain today!

    These nevertrump a-holes are probably going to form a gang alliance in the senate with the donks and try to totally block Trump's first 100 days agenda.

    Nevertrumpers are taking it to the grave.

    Nevertrumpers are taking it to the grave.

    If only.

    If only.

  123. @Anonymous
    http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/hardball/2016-10-27

    MATTHEWS: Election Diary Thursday, October 27th.

    Whatever you think of Donald Trump, I mean, whatever you think of Donald Trump, you have to wonder, why isnt he doing it? Why isnt he running for president? Why isnt he spending every hour asking the voters again and again, do you like way things are, the way theyve been headed in this country?

    Do you like the continued destruction of our manufacturing base, the jobs that went with it? Do you like the uncontrolled illegal immigration? Do you like the string of stupid wars from Iraq, to Libya, to Syria?

    If you want to say yes to all that, you want to keep all this the way it is? Vote for Hillary Clinton. If you don`t like the way things have been headed, you got a chance to really shake the system to its roots.

    If you wake up the day after the election, the same it is today, if it`s the same four, or five, eight years from now, remember you had a chance to change it but you were too dainty to do it. If Trump were to win this election, those would be the reasons that would be listed right at the top of the newspaper the day afterwards.

    So, why doesnt he say now what would win him the election? Why doesnt he fight and create stupid headlines with his battles with Megyn Kelly and Dana Bash? He seems to devote day after day to fighting fights that make people forget the reasons he started running for president, reasons that continue to carry the shrinking chance he has to win this thing.

    I say this not because I want Trump to win, but because I cant stand politics being practiced so pathetically. We have been looking at live pictures, by the way, from LaGuardia Airport in New York of Mike Pences plane which slid off the runway this evening. There were no injuries. And that`s HARDBALL for now. Thanks for being with us.

     

    The MSM complains that Trump isn't saying what the MSM ignores him saying.

    Too late for an ad buy?

    MSM plays a great game – poke Trump with a sharp stick and he snarls at you. Look how dumb that Trump is – isn’t he smart enough to not snarl back when we poke him? Why does he keep falling for our cheap tricks? Meanwhile, Hillary gets the FDR treatment – we never see her being helped up the steps and they feed the questions to her in advance.

  124. I think the cultural issues are huge and speak directly to the type of society we want to create or preserve.

    I don’t have a problem with Thiel as a person but same-sex marriage hastens the destruction of the Western family that began with the 1969 no fault divorce laws, millions of mothers pursuing “careers,” widespread promiscuity. We cannot have a strong society built on an unsteady foundation.

    The entire concept of pride in what ought to be private bedroom behavior is rather gauche.

  125. “Make America normal again”.

    That’s very funny coming from a poof like Thiel. Apparently he’s not into irony.

  126. @Corvinus
    "I just want my kids to grow up in a country that even vaguely resembles the one I grew up in."

    Which, you do realize, did NOT include open homosexuals in important political, economic, or social positions.

    That’s not even on the radar of what I’m talking about. I mean a country where the standard of living doesn’t get worse and worse every year. Where income inequality isn’t on par with third world countries. Where people don’t have to be retarded politically correct morons who parrot the party line on every inanity. The part of our society having to *celebrate* LGBTQ alphabet soup or be proven to be a thought criminal is what’s objectionable, not the fact that prominent people in society are openly gay.

  127. @Anon
    I didn't contribute because I am a prof at a very liberal college. It would not take much for a couple of girls to makeup that I grabbed their butt. I keep my door open and a table where they sit across from me, but they would be believed, especially over a Trump supporting white male. Trump's completely unsupported accusers got front page news. That puts a target on every guy's back.

    We definitely have the people in the Afro- latino or women's studies department who might even suggest that maybe the girls were harassed in a way that they did not realize at the time. Just like that poor guy at Occidental.

    One or two complaints I might survive, after that the Dean gets rid of me no matter my contributions to the school.

    That is how PC enforces its dictates.

    I, too, am at a liberal college and am keeping my head down … for now. (Female, conservative-libertarian, and in the humanities.)

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if a rich person funded a new university? I keep dreaming and hoping, but the years are ticking past. I could easily come up with a list of closeted conservative top-notch scholars who could shake-up academe, if given the protection of a new university. I’m sure you could too.

    Sigh.

  128. @Comey the Clown
    Abortion only became a quagmire for the right when it degenerated into fundie virtue-signaling ("I do so care about the lil' fetus"). As an institution it's bad for the same reason birth control is: the social coarsening effect. Yet few pro-life rank & file can articulate this, instead believe they're actually paladins saving the fetus in distress. Then there is the really pathetic schism over the "rape exception." No consistent pro-lifer would be fooled by this spurious wedge, but guess who gets painted "extremist" by the more consensus-minded official pro-life frauds... also the Catholics have introduced deliberate fog by somehow conflating it with the death penalty and permanent welfare checks.

    Gay marriage destroys society as we know it from a different path. I think it should be OK for conservatives to de-prioritize it, but the (very common circa 2002) cuckservative meme that gay nuptials were "better than the alternative" looks sillier with passing years.

    There is much emphasis placed on abortion rights among women well past child bearing age.
    Abortion has a disparate impact in that Planned Parenthood arranges way more abortions for black girls and women than it does for white girls and women. Yet the ratio of black to white in this country is approx. 1 to 5. So eugenics has never left Planned Parenthood’s operating strategy, it is just … downplayed.
    Homosexual marriage is a nothing burger. As a way to propagate a people it is inefficient. Homosexuality has been with the human race since recorded history started, probably before but without a record. It effects maybe 3% of the male population and probably a bit less of the female. So it leaves 47% of males and 48% of females to keep on keeping on. If your marriage is suddenly dissolvable because Tom and Clarence are cohabiting thanks to a piece of paper from the courthouse or the Episcopal church; the problem is within you and yours.
    The human race has been aborting and homoing for multiple millennia. I would take long odds that we will continue to do so for multiple millennia down the corridors of time and out over the vastiness of space.

  129. @Corvinus
    "I just want my kids to grow up in a country that even vaguely resembles the one I grew up in."

    Which, you do realize, did NOT include open homosexuals in important political, economic, or social positions.

    The problem with your statement is the word “open”. Homosexuality (which has always existed among a small % of the population) should be a private matter and not a political one. There were always gays in important political, economic and social positions, they just did not advertise their gayness (although often it was an open secret). What did NOT exist in the past (and should not exist now) is an explicitly homosexual political identity. If such a thing exists in your society (and not only exists but is allowed to be the tail that wags the dog), it is not good because homosexuals have interests that differ from those of the greater society. For example, just before the AIDs era, there were homosexual activists who advocated that the police should stop policing the promiscuous sex that was going on in gay bathhouses in NY and SF – it was harmless. Not only did this turn out to be spectacularly wrong but promiscuity is even more corrosive to the larger society where it results in unwanted pregnancies, destruction of the family, etc. It’s OK for gays to have political views, as Thiel does, but to the extent that their political views are “gay political views” they should be taken as such and disregarded by those who are not gay.

    Thiel BTW was never an “open” homosexual – he was “outed”. Outing leftists is considered to be a bad thing but anything you do to a badwhite is OK.

    • Agree: ic1000, ben tillman
    • Replies: @Randal

    Homosexuality (which has always existed among a small % of the population) should be a private matter and not a political one. There were always gays in important political, economic and social positions, they just did not advertise their gayness (although often it was an open secret). What did NOT exist in the past (and should not exist now) is an explicitly homosexual political identity.
     
    That last problem is in large part a consequence of the propagandised acceptance of the attitude you (in appearance at least) endorse in your first couple of sentences - the idea of "gayness" or "homosexuality" as categories of humanity, as opposed to the old view of homosexual behaviour being merely another of the behaviours some humans are tempted by.

    I think it's important whenever possible to speak of "people who choose to engage in homosexual activity", rather than "gays" or "homosexuals". The latter terms tend to be automatically interpreted as referring to the aforementioned separate category, that underpins the identity group status.

    I've been tempted to murder people many times in my now lengthening life, but that didn't make me "a murderer" because I never gave in to the temptation, because I knew it was wrong (or perhaps I feared punishment, or a bit of both).

    Thiel BTW was never an “open” homosexual – he was “outed”.
     
    This was my understanding of the situation, and I think this is an important distinction. Hence I would probably draw my personal line of acceptability, as I stated above, between Thiel and the aforementioned flamboyant journo, fwiw. And in case you are tempted by the usual tired response to such comments - yes, I'm fully aware that neither will probably ever be aware of my personal views on this, or care about them, nor does that matter to me.
    , @Corvinus
    "Homosexuality (which has always existed among a small % of the population) should be a private matter and not a political one."

    Tell that to the Alt Right and evangelicals.

    "What did NOT exist in the past (and should not exist now) is an explicitly homosexual political identity. If such a thing exists in your society (and not only exists but is allowed to be the tail that wags the dog), it is not good because homosexuals have interests that differ from those of the greater society."

    Homosexuals are citizens of a nation. Their only "difference" is their sexual orientation. Their interests are generally the same compared to straight people. Thiel is living proof of his devotion to his nation. Homosexuals have every liberty to pursue an agenda, even if it runs counter to your positions.

    "For example, just before the AIDs era, there were homosexual activists who advocated that the police should stop policing the promiscuous sex that was going on in gay bathhouses in NY and SF – it was harmless."

    Privacy matters.

    "Not only did this turn out to be spectacularly wrong but promiscuity is even more corrosive to the larger society where it results in unwanted pregnancies, destruction of the family, etc."

    Is not Trump and Hillary each the pinnacle of promiscuity and corrosive sexual practices?

    "It’s OK for gays to have political views, as Thiel does, but to the extent that their political views are “gay political views” they should be taken as such and disregarded by those who are not gay."

    They may be disregarded, but from a legal perspective, they have every right to pursue their agenda.

    "Thiel BTW was never an “open” homosexual – he was “outed”. Outing leftists is considered to be a bad thing but anything you do to a badwhite is OK."

    Regardless of his "outing", does he not engage in promiscuity known as gay male sex?
  130. Make America a Normal Country Again – what a hater! I’m so triggered right now. It’s the current year etc etc.

  131. @anonymous-antiskynetist
    Never liked the guy. He sums up in one man the weird transition that all these internet libertarians have undergone in the last couple of years. You couldn't open a combox in 2012 without tripping over 10 mooks babbling on about "Ron Paul" and "statism" and "Mises". Now seemingly overnight they're all nationalists. If Musk was a Trumpian I'd be more excited, then we'd all have jobs on the assembly line in the Tesla plants.

    Musk is a rent-seeker. Refer to the requirements to be one that have been well articulated up thread.
    Go back to this past spring and summer who was the Republican playing the Ron Paul part this cycle? Nary a tea partier, nor a libertarian among the bunch of non-entities that were the first string for the debates and only Rand Jr. among the second team for the debates. Rand Jr is
    proof that the apple can indeed fall far from the tree and then roll farther.

  132. @Chrisnonymous
    I think it goes beyond expediency.

    The right of tomorrow is not the right of yesterday. Like BB753, I pine for the days of one man-one woman marriage and the days of pre-Game romantic sentimentality. I also want to live in a world without AI and eugenics. But we're never going to get that place in the future unless our power sources dry up, which is far in the future if ever.

    What is wrong with being expedient? We take the main chance because by definition it is the one with the highest probability of victory.
    I note that the wedding announcement for one man one woman have not declined in the local paper, nor have those announcement declined in the NYT upper crust announcement sections.
    Romantic sentimentality for whom? The upper crust never succumbed to that foolishness, and the lower classes just keep on humpin. Victorian vapours aside there has never been a time without “game.” Seduction, Don Juanis, Baby it’s cold outside, Dapper Dan Draper, Beau Brummel, the list is as long as humanity. You never leave the game, and married or single, straight or bent game never leaves you.
    Upthread I made some comments on eugenics. The horsebreeders equation holds. Better dogs, better horses, better cows etc. A king Canute once commanded the sea to stop.
    It ignored him. Better AI is inevitable; and that which inevitable you can either serve or command as always the choice is yours.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    The horsebreeders equation holds. Better dogs, better horses, better cows etc.

    What is the horsebreeders equation?
    , @Jack D
    Let me go on record as being the first one to say that I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I'm sorry you can't see a difference between a world of select Don Juans and a world where everybody knows why Don Juan is successful and accepts it. Likewise, too bad you can't tell the difference between tastier cattle and supermen. Sad.
  133. @anonitron1
    Gay marriage and abortion are the Iraq and Afghanistan of right-wing politics - endless wastes of time and money conducted to no one's benefit save the people they're distracting us from.

    Trump, is a surprisingly nuanced response to the abortion issue in the last debate noted overturning Roe merely drops the whole mess into the laps of the 50 states. Not sure he grasped how much a half loaf that is to some on the right. Nor how conservative and federalist that would be.

    Gay marriage, same thing; want to live as a gay or lesbian couple,move to a liberal state. And have the discussion in the state legislature. To Trump’s credit, appears to want to tone down the volume on social issues. And really they get the GOPe nowhere and lose suburban middle class typical white people.

    The real fight is going to be polygamy, especially when it comes to poor hands out Islamic immigrants. There has always been strong public policy argument against it because most men simply cannot support all their wives and children, thus dropping said children’s issues on the state. Further societies that feature polygamy inevitably also have a large single male sexually-unhappy population.

    Perhaps this has been the big secret support among Utah LDS for Moby Virgin McMullin who have opposed Trump looking to restore The Principle long term. McMullin, of course, he of a long top secret career in the CIA and then a job with Goldman Sachs and then Congress, but never had time for a wife. Right.

  134. @reiner Tor

    For me, traditionalist views on race, on nation and on sexuality are of equal importance in a well ordered society.
     
    If you replace the race, you cannot have the nation, and sexual morals (and pretty much everything else) will change beyond recognition.

    I cannot for the life of me fathom how HBD-aware people can say that race or immigration are "of equal importance" to any other issue, when that other issue will likely be changed beyond recognition with another race (e.g. once the French will be replaced by Arabs, they will both ban gay marriage and engage in gay or goat sex all the time), and also it wouldn't matter (why should a Frenchman care one way or another how the Arabs will organize their society once they have completely replaced the French?)

    There is a British site called ‘National Preservation’. Sounds good doesn’t it. Well calm yourself because it’s actually about preserving railways.

    They had a thread recently on how to get young people more involved. All quite reasonable. I joined in to point out that there was a more severe demographic issue that would be increasingly important.

    Because, almost needless to say, go to any heritage/steam railway and Quantravious and Abdul are conspicuous by their near-total absence. Sure there may be visiting school parties but black/brown folks don’t go voluntarily as paying visitors and as for actually turning up to work as volunteers (which is what keeps this whole sector going) – forget it. I’ve never heard of, or seen, a single solitary example.

    Firstly the resident cucks flat out deny this is the case, though of course they can’t even supply any anecdotal evidence to the contrary let alone any actual statistics. Then we move on to the huffing and puffing about it not mattering etc You can’t say that!

    I also pointed out the irony – the one thing they don’t want to preserve is the people who invented railways in the first place. One of them actually said to me that “Well, all those people are dead and gone”. Unfrikkenbelievable.

    Whats depressing is these are people who are generally ‘conservative’ in outlook, yet here they were cucking as hard as any 20 year old SJW.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    The UK folk scene is exactly the same - at club level the keenest people are also old lefties who care more about preserving the music than preserving the people who produced it, at elite level you get people like the Carthy/Waterson clan who witter on about The Imagined Village yet live in one of the whitest (and prettiest, if a bit stark out of season) areas of the UK (Robin Hood's Bay).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imagined_Village


    (volunteering does seem to be a white thing - look at all the people who help the National Trust keep their properties open, or any local wildlife group)

  135. It’s a funny world when a gay libertarian articulately outlines his program for a “normal country” (that’s not snark, Thiel’s 100% right), and Malik Obama explains that he supports Trump because, “he is only stating the obvious.”

  136. @Jack D
    The reason the Coalition of the Fringes exists in the first place as a winning (or near winning) coalition instead of a small bunch of disaffected losers is that too many people felt that unless they met the standards of moral and racial and religious and gender perfection of conservatism that they had no place in it. And the reason they felt that way was because there were folks like you acting as the Purity Police who were ready to excommunicate them from the church of conservatism if they fell short in any way. I don't think you can elect a President (or anyone else outside of Utah) with just the Mormon vote (and maybe you can't even allow them in your club, what with their strange heretical religion.) By the time you are done disqualify everyone, there will be like you and two other old white guys in your club.

    I’ve explained myself elsewhere on posts Sailer has not deemed fit for publication.
    To the extent Thiel wants to be part of a broad coalition, which I doubt being a libertarian turncoat, he should be told he does not get to define normality because he is not normal. Homosexuality is not normal and never can be. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It’s just looking the other way by respectable people. I dont care what you do in private, just stay in your closet, and shut up about gayness. No, deviants should not be allowed to marry among themselves or adopt children. Gays can never be respectable and should be put in their place whenever they try to set the limits of discourse.
    Lastly, how can we defeat cultural Marxism if we allow gays to infiltrate our ranks? Cultural Marxism would never have succeeded without gays and feminists.

    Furthermore, I distrust Thiel more on account of his libertarian faith than his homosexuality. Libertarians are liberals trying to railroad conservatism.
    I hope Sailer (or Unz) lets this comment through, after being bashed and insulted by the pink brigade I think I deserve a reply.
    For the record, I don’t trust Mormons either. Or most strict Evangelicals. I’d be willing to kick them out too.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Thiel isn't campaigning as a homosexual or trying to normalize homosexuality. He's campaigning as politically incorrect businessman who wants normal leadership in this country. That doesn't strike me as a bad thing.
    , @Randal

    Homosexuality is not normal and never can be. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It’s just looking the other way by respectable people. I dont care what you do in private, just stay in your closet, and shut up about gayness. No, deviants should not be allowed to marry among themselves or adopt children. Gays can never be respectable and should be put in their place whenever they try to set the limits of discourse.
    Lastly, how can we defeat cultural Marxism if we allow gays to infiltrate our ranks? Cultural Marxism would never have succeeded without gays and feminists.
     
    This seems broadly correct to me, though I'd emphasise that nobody is a homosexual unless he chooses to make himself one, because it is (or should be) defined by actions, not by temptations. As I noted above, I have often in my life been tempted to murder someone, but I've never actually done so, and so I am not a murderer.

    I’ve explained myself elsewhere on posts Sailer has not deemed fit for publication.
     
    Are you sure he's actually censored them, rather than just delayed approving them? I'd be interested to know if they showed up eventually. He seems to delay approving comments on certain controversial topics, or perhaps from particular commenters he regards as controversial or suspect. Certainly I find some of my comments only appear some time after a lot of subsequent comments.
    , @Jack D
    By the time you are done kicking people out of your party you would be able to hold your party conventions in the back of a Volkswagen or in a phone booth. Ideological purity is great for idealists and ideologues, not so good if you want to win elections.
  137. @Jack D
    The problem with your statement is the word "open". Homosexuality (which has always existed among a small % of the population) should be a private matter and not a political one. There were always gays in important political, economic and social positions, they just did not advertise their gayness (although often it was an open secret). What did NOT exist in the past (and should not exist now) is an explicitly homosexual political identity. If such a thing exists in your society (and not only exists but is allowed to be the tail that wags the dog), it is not good because homosexuals have interests that differ from those of the greater society. For example, just before the AIDs era, there were homosexual activists who advocated that the police should stop policing the promiscuous sex that was going on in gay bathhouses in NY and SF - it was harmless. Not only did this turn out to be spectacularly wrong but promiscuity is even more corrosive to the larger society where it results in unwanted pregnancies, destruction of the family, etc. It's OK for gays to have political views, as Thiel does, but to the extent that their political views are "gay political views" they should be taken as such and disregarded by those who are not gay.

    Thiel BTW was never an "open" homosexual - he was "outed". Outing leftists is considered to be a bad thing but anything you do to a badwhite is OK.

    Homosexuality (which has always existed among a small % of the population) should be a private matter and not a political one. There were always gays in important political, economic and social positions, they just did not advertise their gayness (although often it was an open secret). What did NOT exist in the past (and should not exist now) is an explicitly homosexual political identity.

    That last problem is in large part a consequence of the propagandised acceptance of the attitude you (in appearance at least) endorse in your first couple of sentences – the idea of “gayness” or “homosexuality” as categories of humanity, as opposed to the old view of homosexual behaviour being merely another of the behaviours some humans are tempted by.

    I think it’s important whenever possible to speak of “people who choose to engage in homosexual activity”, rather than “gays” or “homosexuals”. The latter terms tend to be automatically interpreted as referring to the aforementioned separate category, that underpins the identity group status.

    I’ve been tempted to murder people many times in my now lengthening life, but that didn’t make me “a murderer” because I never gave in to the temptation, because I knew it was wrong (or perhaps I feared punishment, or a bit of both).

    Thiel BTW was never an “open” homosexual – he was “outed”.

    This was my understanding of the situation, and I think this is an important distinction. Hence I would probably draw my personal line of acceptability, as I stated above, between Thiel and the aforementioned flamboyant journo, fwiw. And in case you are tempted by the usual tired response to such comments – yes, I’m fully aware that neither will probably ever be aware of my personal views on this, or care about them, nor does that matter to me.

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @Jack D
    I agree with you. I should have said "homosexual behavior" rather than "homosexuality". Humans are very complex and it is wrong (even if people are doing it to themselves) to reduce a complex human to a single word label.
  138. @Anon
    I didn't contribute because I am a prof at a very liberal college. It would not take much for a couple of girls to makeup that I grabbed their butt. I keep my door open and a table where they sit across from me, but they would be believed, especially over a Trump supporting white male. Trump's completely unsupported accusers got front page news. That puts a target on every guy's back.

    We definitely have the people in the Afro- latino or women's studies department who might even suggest that maybe the girls were harassed in a way that they did not realize at the time. Just like that poor guy at Occidental.

    One or two complaints I might survive, after that the Dean gets rid of me no matter my contributions to the school.

    That is how PC enforces its dictates.

    It’s time to take our centers of learning back. It is time to reclaim our history. It is time to drown out the voices who connive to dispossess us with the power of ink and pixel. It is time to dig moats around Truth and raise the drawbridges. It is time to join forces in defense of what is right by forming orders of the stout progenitors of future lineages. Impossible? Pshaw. We know how to organize and execute. We also know how to bide our time. For the culture and people with the greatest accomplishments in history to their name, why should it pose the slightest difficulty not merely to regain tolerance for their way of life, but to secure its perpetual hegemony? The shift will be sudden when it comes. It will be enduring and it will be just. In the meantime, we must grow strong in wealth, in friends, in knowledge and conviction. And when the trumpets sound we will step into the day, assume our positions at lecterns and pulpits and consoles, and resume the administration of our nations as if there had never been the least interruption. Take heart ye brethren, and grow strong!

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Eloquent!
    , @cwhatfuture
    Conservatives allowed the Left into academia. The Left has absolutely no intention of returning the favor.
  139. @Anonymous
    I may thank you, Thiel, and Trump, and the others who work to make Americal "normal again".

    Still, you browse the Internet a little, and you come across this blog
    : Neo-colonialism and its Discontents
    A blog by Sara Salem. Postcolonialism, Marxism, feminism and other conspiracies.


    Of herself she writes

    A bit about me: I’m 26, I’m half-Dutch, half-Egyptian, and I grew up in Lusaka, Zambia. I’m living in Oakland at the moment and doing a PhD in Political Economy.

    I’m into postcolonialism, Marxism, feminism and other conspiracies.

    I love Audre Lorde, bell hooks, Chandra Mohanty, Lila abu Lughod and Joan Scott. Also Foucault, Fanon, Gramsci and Edward Said.
     
    She is living in Oakland, and "doing" a PhD in Oakland. In a colonialist empire where racism and patriarchy rule.
    She really doesn't seem to want to "do" her PhD in Zambia, where she grew up, nor in Egypt, where she was born. No non-colonialist non-misogynist non-racist country was there she liked to "do" her PhD.

    She also writes her blog, and her other "published works" in English. A language that represents imperialism, White racism, patriarchy, and all the rest of what she fights.

    Below, a bit of what you find on this blogger, "doing" her PhD in, of all places in the world, California:

    The recent image out of France that show policemen surrounding a woman who is removing her veil have struck many people because of how overtly Islamophobic they are. France – a country that constructs itself as being open and secular – recently imposed a fine on women who wear a ‘burqini’ at the beach. This announcement was controversial, and seeing images of this fine in action is bringing even more attention to the new rule.

    What struck me about this image and this story in general is the clear ways in which different structures are intersecting with one another in order to produce this one moment in time. I have seen some of the commentaries talk about how this demonstrates yet another instance of patriarchy and sexism: men telling women what they can and cannot wear. My own reaction was to affirm this – it does seem to be a common denominator when it comes to the different types of violence faced by women across the globe. Women’s bodies are put under the control of patriarchal norms through a variety of mechanisms, from laws to domestic violence to street harassment. The effect of these myriad mechanisms is that women are constantly conscious of what we look like, how we dress, how we take up space (public or private), and how we interact with men. It is a daily reality to know, on some level, that you are never really safe from some type of intrusion – whether it be sexual harassment or severe sexual violence. There are a whole range of ways in which patriarchy – exercised mainly through men but also through women – controls women’s bodies.

    But this is not the whole story. This photo and this moment are also a clear instance of a very racialized interaction. We see white French policemen surrounding a woman who appears to be of Arab descent and who is veiled. In Europe today the veil and Muslim identity in general has often been made to represent a ‘cultural’ identity when in fact it is a heavily racialized one. It is not a distinction between “French” and “Muslim” culture – whatever these are – but between white French and Brown/Black not-quite-French. And so we see that alongside patriarchy there is racism as a determining structure.
     
    Good luck to you, Thiel, Trump, Sailer, non-beta submissive men, making the West normal again, then.

    I hope there comes a time when these scumbags realise that 2016 France and Trump were still essentially nice, cuddly liberal entities.

    This realisation may come when she finds herself forced to depart for Zambia or Egypt at the point of a bayonet but probably not before.

  140. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they’re currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)

     

    Daughter Calvinist is approaching college age. I would actually love to know which colleges you're talking about, because a high-quality liberal arts college that's being undersold sounds very good.

    I know Hillsdale is good, and not liberal, but it's often left off ranking lists altogether because it refuses to take government funding.

    Is Wheaton (the one in Illinois) another one? I guess they must be getting punished somewhere somehow for actually tossing out that faculty member who was pushing heresy.

    Service Academies; Washington & Lee; College of Charleston; University of San Diego (Catholic lite)…there is actually a manual that lists all the top 100 U’s according to the political climate of the campus – aimed at parents looking for conservative (no protests over Halloween costumes) schools. Rice, SMU & Pepperdine also, lean conservative.

  141. @BB753
    I've explained myself elsewhere on posts Sailer has not deemed fit for publication.
    To the extent Thiel wants to be part of a broad coalition, which I doubt being a libertarian turncoat, he should be told he does not get to define normality because he is not normal. Homosexuality is not normal and never can be. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It's just looking the other way by respectable people. I dont care what you do in private, just stay in your closet, and shut up about gayness. No, deviants should not be allowed to marry among themselves or adopt children. Gays can never be respectable and should be put in their place whenever they try to set the limits of discourse.
    Lastly, how can we defeat cultural Marxism if we allow gays to infiltrate our ranks? Cultural Marxism would never have succeeded without gays and feminists.

    Furthermore, I distrust Thiel more on account of his libertarian faith than his homosexuality. Libertarians are liberals trying to railroad conservatism.
    I hope Sailer (or Unz) lets this comment through, after being bashed and insulted by the pink brigade I think I deserve a reply.
    For the record, I don't trust Mormons either. Or most strict Evangelicals. I'd be willing to kick them out too.

    Thiel isn’t campaigning as a homosexual or trying to normalize homosexuality. He’s campaigning as politically incorrect businessman who wants normal leadership in this country. That doesn’t strike me as a bad thing.

  142. @Kurt van Ghoye
    It's time to take our centers of learning back. It is time to reclaim our history. It is time to drown out the voices who connive to dispossess us with the power of ink and pixel. It is time to dig moats around Truth and raise the drawbridges. It is time to join forces in defense of what is right by forming orders of the stout progenitors of future lineages. Impossible? Pshaw. We know how to organize and execute. We also know how to bide our time. For the culture and people with the greatest accomplishments in history to their name, why should it pose the slightest difficulty not merely to regain tolerance for their way of life, but to secure its perpetual hegemony? The shift will be sudden when it comes. It will be enduring and it will be just. In the meantime, we must grow strong in wealth, in friends, in knowledge and conviction. And when the trumpets sound we will step into the day, assume our positions at lecterns and pulpits and consoles, and resume the administration of our nations as if there had never been the least interruption. Take heart ye brethren, and grow strong!

    Eloquent!

  143. @CK
    What is wrong with being expedient? We take the main chance because by definition it is the one with the highest probability of victory.
    I note that the wedding announcement for one man one woman have not declined in the local paper, nor have those announcement declined in the NYT upper crust announcement sections.
    Romantic sentimentality for whom? The upper crust never succumbed to that foolishness, and the lower classes just keep on humpin. Victorian vapours aside there has never been a time without "game." Seduction, Don Juanis, Baby it's cold outside, Dapper Dan Draper, Beau Brummel, the list is as long as humanity. You never leave the game, and married or single, straight or bent game never leaves you.
    Upthread I made some comments on eugenics. The horsebreeders equation holds. Better dogs, better horses, better cows etc. A king Canute once commanded the sea to stop.
    It ignored him. Better AI is inevitable; and that which inevitable you can either serve or command as always the choice is yours.

    The horsebreeders equation holds. Better dogs, better horses, better cows etc.

    What is the horsebreeders equation?

    • Replies: @CK
    https://www.google.com/search?q=horsebreeders+equation
    that should get you started.
  144. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    You are an idiot and Thiel is a hero.

    Please stop being an idiot and making the perfect the enemy of the great. I personally could not care less about whether gays have wedding pageants or not. Yes, it was forced through for obnoxious reasons and via obnoxious means but whatever really, there are big issues at stake in this election and Thiel is willing to sacrifice big to help fix them.

    If Trump wins, Thiel 2024.

    If Trump loses, Thiel 2020.

    Either way he would make a great, highly-articulate and very likeable candidate with proven values.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Thiel was born in Germany. He can't run for president.
  145. @Ben Frank
    reiner Tor is right. Every problem is a people problem. If you import the wrong people, you can wreck a country.

    reiner Tor is right. Every problem is a people problem. If you import the wrong people, you can wreck a country.

    The evidence of the past few decades seems to be that you don’t need to import people to wreck a country, as far as I can see.

    The numbers of immigrants in Britain were trivial up until the very late C20th, and yet it was that very period before real mass immigration on the modern scale which saw the two disastrous world wars, and the transformation from a country in which for most people for most of the time government was a distant irrelevance, to one in which it is an ever-present interferer in every aspect of every citizen’s life, and saw propaganda used to socially engineer a change in the basic morality of the country, from Christianity (nominally, at any rate) to post-Christian approval of sexual deviance. In that period the old established elites were overturned and replaced by the trans-national elite that now rules, using every indoctrination trick in the book to impose internationalist dogmas and destroy resistance to the real mass immigration that started in the 1990s.

    Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence of social bankruptcy, not the cause.

    We did it to ourselves.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    The numbers of immigrants in Britain were trivial up until the very late C20th, and yet it was that very period before real mass immigration on the modern scale which saw the two disastrous world wars, and the transformation from a country in which for most people for most of the time government was a distant irrelevance, to one in which it is an ever-present interferer in every aspect of every citizen’s life, and saw propaganda used to socially engineer a change in the basic morality of the country, from Christianity (nominally, at any rate) to post-Christian approval of sexual deviance. In that period the old established elites were overturned and replaced by the trans-national elite that now rules, using every indoctrination trick in the book to impose internationalist dogmas and destroy resistance to the real mass immigration that started in the 1990s.

    Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence of social bankruptcy, not the cause.
     

    Exactly right. The roots of the West's problems are cultural, and hence ultimately spiritual, not political.

    The post-Christian heretical left is trying, in its overweening pride, to build another Tower of Babel, i.e. an internationalist utopia. They see themselves as saviors who can redeem the lost masses, and transform them into images of themselves, instead of declaring the gospel to them and leaving the salvation and transformation up to God.

    , @European-American
    > Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence
    > of social bankruptcy, not the cause.

    Surely they are also a consequence of progress in transportation, information, health, etc.?

    And there are feedback loops that make the consequence in turn amplify the original cause, etc.

    Things are complicated...
  146. @BB753
    I've explained myself elsewhere on posts Sailer has not deemed fit for publication.
    To the extent Thiel wants to be part of a broad coalition, which I doubt being a libertarian turncoat, he should be told he does not get to define normality because he is not normal. Homosexuality is not normal and never can be. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It's just looking the other way by respectable people. I dont care what you do in private, just stay in your closet, and shut up about gayness. No, deviants should not be allowed to marry among themselves or adopt children. Gays can never be respectable and should be put in their place whenever they try to set the limits of discourse.
    Lastly, how can we defeat cultural Marxism if we allow gays to infiltrate our ranks? Cultural Marxism would never have succeeded without gays and feminists.

    Furthermore, I distrust Thiel more on account of his libertarian faith than his homosexuality. Libertarians are liberals trying to railroad conservatism.
    I hope Sailer (or Unz) lets this comment through, after being bashed and insulted by the pink brigade I think I deserve a reply.
    For the record, I don't trust Mormons either. Or most strict Evangelicals. I'd be willing to kick them out too.

    Homosexuality is not normal and never can be. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It’s just looking the other way by respectable people. I dont care what you do in private, just stay in your closet, and shut up about gayness. No, deviants should not be allowed to marry among themselves or adopt children. Gays can never be respectable and should be put in their place whenever they try to set the limits of discourse.
    Lastly, how can we defeat cultural Marxism if we allow gays to infiltrate our ranks? Cultural Marxism would never have succeeded without gays and feminists.

    This seems broadly correct to me, though I’d emphasise that nobody is a homosexual unless he chooses to make himself one, because it is (or should be) defined by actions, not by temptations. As I noted above, I have often in my life been tempted to murder someone, but I’ve never actually done so, and so I am not a murderer.

    I’ve explained myself elsewhere on posts Sailer has not deemed fit for publication.

    Are you sure he’s actually censored them, rather than just delayed approving them? I’d be interested to know if they showed up eventually. He seems to delay approving comments on certain controversial topics, or perhaps from particular commenters he regards as controversial or suspect. Certainly I find some of my comments only appear some time after a lot of subsequent comments.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Sailer ended publishing my comments only after I complained in a new comment that I was being insulted and slandered but unable to reply.
    Sometimes, Sailer just sits on some comments he fears will derail the conversation. Once commenters are back on topic, he publishes all the off-topic or inflamatory delayed comments.
  147. @Anon
    Not a lot of demand for middle aged white academics in my field. And I push the edge as far as i can in confronting cultural marxism, in the classes where that is appropriate. I also have a class where I can teach r/k theory and invasive species as well as some malthus. Intelligent students can make their own connections after that.

    But yes, I need to work on my escape plan more. 400 acres in the Shenandoah valley, check, some knowledge of how to make a living from that, far to go.

    You can just lease it out to someone that knows what they’re doing

  148. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they’re currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)

     

    Daughter Calvinist is approaching college age. I would actually love to know which colleges you're talking about, because a high-quality liberal arts college that's being undersold sounds very good.

    I know Hillsdale is good, and not liberal, but it's often left off ranking lists altogether because it refuses to take government funding.

    Is Wheaton (the one in Illinois) another one? I guess they must be getting punished somewhere somehow for actually tossing out that faculty member who was pushing heresy.

    Forgot to add several state U’s in the Mountain states, and one or two in CA, that do not have oppressive liberal zeitgeist forced upon people. These campuses are soooo beautiful and the surrounding nature provides a wonderful lifestyle for professors and their families. The public schools for faculty kids are excellent, and the cost of living is low compared to east and west coasts. My sons have not come across annoying professors or irritating, coddled, angry-about-something students. Maybe because it is a large U with more serious, middle-class students who know how much their education costs…so, it’s all about the learning in those 4 years; upshot: hardly any SJW’s. One of the reasons my sons left the East Coast is that they were so sick of SJW’s and hypocrites who grew up in privilege…preaching about inequality while living in “good neighborhoods with good schools.” These types of students are all over the Eastern Seaboard, especially at elite U’s…and of course, elite U’s anywhere. Heck, if you study STEM, a 4 year degree, say in Chemistry, is universal.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think that even at East Coast elite U's, SJWs are just a small loudmouth minority outside of politicized "studies" depts. and certain left oriented majors (e.g. journalism). I was at the recent MIT commencement where Matt Damon spoke and threw out all sorts of red meat standard Hollywood leftist lines that would have been well greeted at the DNC .

    http://news.mit.edu/2016/matt-damon-commencement-address-0603

    And all he got was a smattering of polite applause now and then - most of the grads (and MIT is overwhelmingly STEM oriented - the liberal arts depts barely grant degrees) looked as if they were unhappy that this man was attempting to politicize their most happy day. Sometimes he would pause for the cheers that he was expecting and which did not come. A lot of kids today may have superficially liberal POVs but in truth most of them don't really give a damn about politics - they see the major parties as both being equally corrupt. Damon spoke (favorably) about Elizabeth Warren and I had the feeling that most of the students barely knew who she was. In retrospect, '60s campus activism was driven by student's fear that THEY would get sent to Vietnam. One you removed the personal threat to them, they no longer cared.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for these comments, Lagertha! Most helpful.
  149. @BB753
    I don't trust him because he's a libertarian, not just because he's gay.
    ( though gays are usually unreliable sociopaths) . Libertarians see right-wingers as fellow travelers, but they belong on the left on most issues. Deep down, they're liberals, classic liberals if you like, whose sole aim is unfettered freedom not truth. They're using us, not the other way around. Thiel is using trumpists for some undisclosed reason. Normal sexuality and normal family values do not seem to rank high on his agenda.

    Did you watch any more of that video? He actually sounded like something of a Tory, he mentioned that once our country’s govt. did great things like the Manhattan Project, The Interstate Highway System, and the space program. He even said we shouldn’t use free market economics to argue against the federal government trying to do things like that. I think he’s more of a libertarian leaning conservative than a true libertarian, but so are a lot of people on the right, Charles Murray and Thomas Sowell notably.

    His company, Palantir Technologies is a really interesting case history, he initially funded out of his own pocket and started the company out to help our intelligence and law enforcement agencies and it even received a bit of start up money from the CIA’s venture fund ( Although most of the initial capital came from Thiel ) . It now seems to get it’s clients from both the Federal Government and Wall Street equally. The company like his friend Elon Musk’s companies has been funded both by venture capital and government contracts.

    And like I said before he has mentioned the deindustrialization of the country as something that is bad, not many libertarians or traditional GOP conservatives have done that, nor have they openly supported Trump. Have you read what a lot of libertarians are saying? they are going nuts opposing Trump, and they still think illegal immigration and trade deals with China are awesome. If you want go after some crazy libertarians, take aim at the people like Bryan Caplan, Tyler Cowen and the people who work at Reason magazine not Thiel.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Yes, I got to that part where he mentioned government programs. And I actually disagree with him. On one hand, NASA is an expensive disaster. Landing on the moon didn't accomplish anything valuable, and now they can't even send a rocket into space. On the other hand, you could argue that the Manhattan Project was pure evil, both in its goals and means.
    Indeed Thiel sometimes sounds like a big government guy, an entrepreneur eager to have access to those sweet billions from the federal budget for his business.
    I never realized Thiel had such a great number of fanboys, sheesh! Speaking of rock star businessmen, does anybody know whether Elon Musk is a closet Trumpist?
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Thanks for your informative and compelling testimony. I like the cut of your dorsal guided feathers.
  150. @ic1000
    Re: WikiLeaks tweet, "US DoJ Assistant AG briefing Congress about the Huma Abedin email investigation is Peter Kadzik. This Peter Kadzik."

    CBS This Morning (7 am Eastern) led off with twinned stories of Clinton's email problem (Weiner's laptop) and Trump's email problem (Manafort's Russia ties).

    When discussing the Clinton developments, the reporter voice-overed about the Dept. of Justice duly investigating, while flashing an image of an official-looking letter on DoJ letterhead. You could barely make out Peter Kadzik on the signature line.

    Brazen.

    After watching this TV show that is ostensibly about the news, Nice Liberal Ladies (etc.) will know less about current developments, than if they'd turned to Inside Edition or Mister Ed reruns.

    >After watching this TV show that is ostensibly about the news, Nice Liberal Ladies (etc.) will know less about current developments, than if they’d turned to Inside Edition or Mister Ed reruns.

    This is an important point, today’s media is not just useless, it’s negative value. People are actually less informed about the subject than if they had not watched it at all.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Or, as Thomas Jefferson put it: “The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.”
  151. @Lurker
    There is a British site called 'National Preservation'. Sounds good doesn't it. Well calm yourself because it's actually about preserving railways.

    They had a thread recently on how to get young people more involved. All quite reasonable. I joined in to point out that there was a more severe demographic issue that would be increasingly important.

    Because, almost needless to say, go to any heritage/steam railway and Quantravious and Abdul are conspicuous by their near-total absence. Sure there may be visiting school parties but black/brown folks don't go voluntarily as paying visitors and as for actually turning up to work as volunteers (which is what keeps this whole sector going) - forget it. I've never heard of, or seen, a single solitary example.

    Firstly the resident cucks flat out deny this is the case, though of course they can't even supply any anecdotal evidence to the contrary let alone any actual statistics. Then we move on to the huffing and puffing about it not mattering etc You can't say that!

    I also pointed out the irony - the one thing they don't want to preserve is the people who invented railways in the first place. One of them actually said to me that "Well, all those people are dead and gone". Unfrikkenbelievable.

    Whats depressing is these are people who are generally 'conservative' in outlook, yet here they were cucking as hard as any 20 year old SJW.

    The UK folk scene is exactly the same – at club level the keenest people are also old lefties who care more about preserving the music than preserving the people who produced it, at elite level you get people like the Carthy/Waterson clan who witter on about The Imagined Village yet live in one of the whitest (and prettiest, if a bit stark out of season) areas of the UK (Robin Hood’s Bay).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imagined_Village

    (volunteering does seem to be a white thing – look at all the people who help the National Trust keep their properties open, or any local wildlife group)

  152. @Randal

    Homosexuality (which has always existed among a small % of the population) should be a private matter and not a political one. There were always gays in important political, economic and social positions, they just did not advertise their gayness (although often it was an open secret). What did NOT exist in the past (and should not exist now) is an explicitly homosexual political identity.
     
    That last problem is in large part a consequence of the propagandised acceptance of the attitude you (in appearance at least) endorse in your first couple of sentences - the idea of "gayness" or "homosexuality" as categories of humanity, as opposed to the old view of homosexual behaviour being merely another of the behaviours some humans are tempted by.

    I think it's important whenever possible to speak of "people who choose to engage in homosexual activity", rather than "gays" or "homosexuals". The latter terms tend to be automatically interpreted as referring to the aforementioned separate category, that underpins the identity group status.

    I've been tempted to murder people many times in my now lengthening life, but that didn't make me "a murderer" because I never gave in to the temptation, because I knew it was wrong (or perhaps I feared punishment, or a bit of both).

    Thiel BTW was never an “open” homosexual – he was “outed”.
     
    This was my understanding of the situation, and I think this is an important distinction. Hence I would probably draw my personal line of acceptability, as I stated above, between Thiel and the aforementioned flamboyant journo, fwiw. And in case you are tempted by the usual tired response to such comments - yes, I'm fully aware that neither will probably ever be aware of my personal views on this, or care about them, nor does that matter to me.

    I agree with you. I should have said “homosexual behavior” rather than “homosexuality”. Humans are very complex and it is wrong (even if people are doing it to themselves) to reduce a complex human to a single word label.

  153. @BB753
    I've explained myself elsewhere on posts Sailer has not deemed fit for publication.
    To the extent Thiel wants to be part of a broad coalition, which I doubt being a libertarian turncoat, he should be told he does not get to define normality because he is not normal. Homosexuality is not normal and never can be. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It's just looking the other way by respectable people. I dont care what you do in private, just stay in your closet, and shut up about gayness. No, deviants should not be allowed to marry among themselves or adopt children. Gays can never be respectable and should be put in their place whenever they try to set the limits of discourse.
    Lastly, how can we defeat cultural Marxism if we allow gays to infiltrate our ranks? Cultural Marxism would never have succeeded without gays and feminists.

    Furthermore, I distrust Thiel more on account of his libertarian faith than his homosexuality. Libertarians are liberals trying to railroad conservatism.
    I hope Sailer (or Unz) lets this comment through, after being bashed and insulted by the pink brigade I think I deserve a reply.
    For the record, I don't trust Mormons either. Or most strict Evangelicals. I'd be willing to kick them out too.

    By the time you are done kicking people out of your party you would be able to hold your party conventions in the back of a Volkswagen or in a phone booth. Ideological purity is great for idealists and ideologues, not so good if you want to win elections.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  154. @CK
    What is wrong with being expedient? We take the main chance because by definition it is the one with the highest probability of victory.
    I note that the wedding announcement for one man one woman have not declined in the local paper, nor have those announcement declined in the NYT upper crust announcement sections.
    Romantic sentimentality for whom? The upper crust never succumbed to that foolishness, and the lower classes just keep on humpin. Victorian vapours aside there has never been a time without "game." Seduction, Don Juanis, Baby it's cold outside, Dapper Dan Draper, Beau Brummel, the list is as long as humanity. You never leave the game, and married or single, straight or bent game never leaves you.
    Upthread I made some comments on eugenics. The horsebreeders equation holds. Better dogs, better horses, better cows etc. A king Canute once commanded the sea to stop.
    It ignored him. Better AI is inevitable; and that which inevitable you can either serve or command as always the choice is yours.

    Let me go on record as being the first one to say that I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

  155. @Lagertha
    Forgot to add several state U's in the Mountain states, and one or two in CA, that do not have oppressive liberal zeitgeist forced upon people. These campuses are soooo beautiful and the surrounding nature provides a wonderful lifestyle for professors and their families. The public schools for faculty kids are excellent, and the cost of living is low compared to east and west coasts. My sons have not come across annoying professors or irritating, coddled, angry-about-something students. Maybe because it is a large U with more serious, middle-class students who know how much their education costs...so, it's all about the learning in those 4 years; upshot: hardly any SJW's. One of the reasons my sons left the East Coast is that they were so sick of SJW's and hypocrites who grew up in privilege...preaching about inequality while living in "good neighborhoods with good schools." These types of students are all over the Eastern Seaboard, especially at elite U's...and of course, elite U's anywhere. Heck, if you study STEM, a 4 year degree, say in Chemistry, is universal.

    I think that even at East Coast elite U’s, SJWs are just a small loudmouth minority outside of politicized “studies” depts. and certain left oriented majors (e.g. journalism). I was at the recent MIT commencement where Matt Damon spoke and threw out all sorts of red meat standard Hollywood leftist lines that would have been well greeted at the DNC .

    http://news.mit.edu/2016/matt-damon-commencement-address-0603

    And all he got was a smattering of polite applause now and then – most of the grads (and MIT is overwhelmingly STEM oriented – the liberal arts depts barely grant degrees) looked as if they were unhappy that this man was attempting to politicize their most happy day. Sometimes he would pause for the cheers that he was expecting and which did not come. A lot of kids today may have superficially liberal POVs but in truth most of them don’t really give a damn about politics – they see the major parties as both being equally corrupt. Damon spoke (favorably) about Elizabeth Warren and I had the feeling that most of the students barely knew who she was. In retrospect, ’60s campus activism was driven by student’s fear that THEY would get sent to Vietnam. One you removed the personal threat to them, they no longer cared.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    "In retrospect, ’60s campus activism was driven by student’s fear that THEY would get sent to Vietnam. "

    Agree. It was also a great place to get high and get laid. I think that's what I remember.
  156. @Nick Diaz
    I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had "adventures" with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter's sexuality didn't fit your ideal of "normal". Is Peter's sexuality included in your definition of a "normal" country? Isn't his sexuality diametrically opposed to the "family values" that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just "conveniently" forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we're all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It's just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about "Christian values", and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    ‘Conservative’ means different things to different people. I consider it to mean a reverence for cherished and long-held values, such as:

    The idea that as long as they’re not harming others, people ought to be able to live their lives as they see fit without governmental interference.
    The idea that I don’t need to approve of something to tolerate it.
    The idea that the government shouldn’t necessarily act against something merely because I disapprove of it.
    The idea that people who disagree about many things can still come together to support mutual interests, especially political ones.

    Voltaire’s “I do not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it” applies to many, many actions as well as speech.

    As long as they’re consenting adults, I don’t care who Thiel has sex with. I don’t even care if it’s with animals. Nor do I care if he’s vegetarian or religious or only buys clothing made in America.

    • Replies: @Randal

    a reverence for cherished and long-held values, such as:
     
    the idea that there is such a thing as morality in sexual activity, and it does define certain acts as inherently wrongful, and while tolerance can and should extended for private lapses, once things are in the open then the underlying disapproval that defines tolerance as opposed to approval or disinterest can no longer be extended.

    As long as they’re consenting adults, I don’t care who Thiel has sex with.
     
    This is very much a modern attitude, not a traditional or conservative one. In the old days, consent was not a particularly big issue and people generally did not distinguish all that much between homosexual behaviour and pederasty.

    My view would be, rather, that I don't care whom or what he has sex with as long as I don't know about it.
    , @Bill
    As Randal points out, nothing you name is a "cherished and long-held value." They are the "values" of minority groups who see themselves as victims of majority society and the "values" of wicked men resentful that anyone should try to interfere with their wickedness. They are the "values" of the con-man, the seducer, and the usurer.
  157. @Emmanuel Goldstein
    Fyi, he was a closeted gay until Gawker outed him, not a gay marriage "champion". Most smart gay men I know (and I know several gay STEM sciences PhDs) never march for gay marriage.

    That’s because being gay or bi to them is a privacy thing. Not all gays are oor the attention whoring variety.

    I can see going forward lesbians being outlawed and gay men allowed to marry, for social stability sake.

  158. @Emmanuel Goldstein
    I agree: the Third World countries have the third world justice for a reason. A civilized justice system there would not be able to cope with the propensity to commit crime of the NAM populaces...

    I actually read a few of the sharia sentences and they fit the crime……or are similar to what we do here at least.

    If I went to Saudi or Iran as a tourist I’d be treated as a guest unless I did something that would constitute a felony even here…..

  159. @Jack D
    I think that even at East Coast elite U's, SJWs are just a small loudmouth minority outside of politicized "studies" depts. and certain left oriented majors (e.g. journalism). I was at the recent MIT commencement where Matt Damon spoke and threw out all sorts of red meat standard Hollywood leftist lines that would have been well greeted at the DNC .

    http://news.mit.edu/2016/matt-damon-commencement-address-0603

    And all he got was a smattering of polite applause now and then - most of the grads (and MIT is overwhelmingly STEM oriented - the liberal arts depts barely grant degrees) looked as if they were unhappy that this man was attempting to politicize their most happy day. Sometimes he would pause for the cheers that he was expecting and which did not come. A lot of kids today may have superficially liberal POVs but in truth most of them don't really give a damn about politics - they see the major parties as both being equally corrupt. Damon spoke (favorably) about Elizabeth Warren and I had the feeling that most of the students barely knew who she was. In retrospect, '60s campus activism was driven by student's fear that THEY would get sent to Vietnam. One you removed the personal threat to them, they no longer cared.

    “In retrospect, ’60s campus activism was driven by student’s fear that THEY would get sent to Vietnam. ”

    Agree. It was also a great place to get high and get laid. I think that’s what I remember.

  160. @melendwyr
    'Conservative' means different things to different people. I consider it to mean a reverence for cherished and long-held values, such as:

    The idea that as long as they're not harming others, people ought to be able to live their lives as they see fit without governmental interference.
    The idea that I don't need to approve of something to tolerate it.
    The idea that the government shouldn't necessarily act against something merely because I disapprove of it.
    The idea that people who disagree about many things can still come together to support mutual interests, especially political ones.

    Voltaire's "I do not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" applies to many, many actions as well as speech.

    As long as they're consenting adults, I don't care who Thiel has sex with. I don't even care if it's with animals. Nor do I care if he's vegetarian or religious or only buys clothing made in America.

    a reverence for cherished and long-held values, such as:

    the idea that there is such a thing as morality in sexual activity, and it does define certain acts as inherently wrongful, and while tolerance can and should extended for private lapses, once things are in the open then the underlying disapproval that defines tolerance as opposed to approval or disinterest can no longer be extended.

    As long as they’re consenting adults, I don’t care who Thiel has sex with.

    This is very much a modern attitude, not a traditional or conservative one. In the old days, consent was not a particularly big issue and people generally did not distinguish all that much between homosexual behaviour and pederasty.

    My view would be, rather, that I don’t care whom or what he has sex with as long as I don’t know about it.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce

    This is very much a modern attitude, not a traditional or conservative one. In the old days, consent was not a particularly big issue and people generally did not distinguish all that much between homosexual behaviour and pederasty.
     
    In fact, in the old days "sex" meant the difference between men and women. That that term has been debased and manipulated to mean "erotic acts" has had grave consequences:

    http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f

  161. @Comey the Clown
    Abortion only became a quagmire for the right when it degenerated into fundie virtue-signaling ("I do so care about the lil' fetus"). As an institution it's bad for the same reason birth control is: the social coarsening effect. Yet few pro-life rank & file can articulate this, instead believe they're actually paladins saving the fetus in distress. Then there is the really pathetic schism over the "rape exception." No consistent pro-lifer would be fooled by this spurious wedge, but guess who gets painted "extremist" by the more consensus-minded official pro-life frauds... also the Catholics have introduced deliberate fog by somehow conflating it with the death penalty and permanent welfare checks.

    Gay marriage destroys society as we know it from a different path. I think it should be OK for conservatives to de-prioritize it, but the (very common circa 2002) cuckservative meme that gay nuptials were "better than the alternative" looks sillier with passing years.

    A social without any principled paladins would be pretty damn coarse.

  162. @Randal
    Without the nation and the national borders that are the only realistic defence against mass immigration, there is no protection for racial groups. In any case, I tend to sympathise more with Sailer's "citizenism" approach rather than the white identity stuff, though I can see the points for both sides of that debate.

    As for sexual morality, it's the quality of the society that matters to me, and if we are going to become permanently the kind of society that regards the kind of behaviour exemplified by the aforementioned journo (not just open advocacy of homosexual activity, also the loud, brash, bullying, form over substance approach generally, that has been part of the cultural pollution we in the UK have imported from the US over the past century) then ultimately I don't think the society or the race is worth defending anyway.

    You might well be correct that the third is less fundamental than the other two, but it's a more immediate issue, imo.

    Citizenism is worthless without white identity. It’s in the interest of American blacks to have a functioning white majority, actually, I think for most Asians it’s also more comfortable to live in a mostly white country with a functioning white majority. Mestizos and Amerinds, ditto.

    And white identitarianism without any kind of citizenism will lead to civil war or at least an apartheid-style polity, which, given the white psyche, is bound to eventually fall.

    So citizenism shouldn’t be thought of as an alternative to white identitarianism, rather as a complementer ideology. The two together work better.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So citizenism shouldn’t be thought of as an alternative to white identitarianism, rather as a complementer ideology. The two together work better.
     
    I don't see either as ideologies. They're tactics. And switching back-and-forth between different tactics is the nature of war.

    Of course, logistics trumps both tactics and strategy, in the famous quote. So start breeding, already!
  163. Thiel is our Ernst Röhm.

  164. @Anonymous
    Whatever, keep on frantically spouting off the feeble attempts to get people to vote for the Hildabeast.

    Yeah, because Hildabeast is the anti-gay candidate of choice.

  165. @Wilkey
    "A normal country doesn’t have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal."

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It's a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.

    To the extent that homosexuality is a problem, it is only that so many homosexuals care so little about the future of the country since they have no progeny to be part of it. Thiel actually takes an interest in our future despite being gay, yet you berate him for it.

    Just go away, troll.

    Immivasion may very well be God’s judgment on our nation for letting it become a New Sodom and Gomorrah.

    • Replies: @melendwyr
    When has the nation violated the laws of hospitality, a la Sodom and Gomorrah?
  166. @Randal
    Without the nation and the national borders that are the only realistic defence against mass immigration, there is no protection for racial groups. In any case, I tend to sympathise more with Sailer's "citizenism" approach rather than the white identity stuff, though I can see the points for both sides of that debate.

    As for sexual morality, it's the quality of the society that matters to me, and if we are going to become permanently the kind of society that regards the kind of behaviour exemplified by the aforementioned journo (not just open advocacy of homosexual activity, also the loud, brash, bullying, form over substance approach generally, that has been part of the cultural pollution we in the UK have imported from the US over the past century) then ultimately I don't think the society or the race is worth defending anyway.

    You might well be correct that the third is less fundamental than the other two, but it's a more immediate issue, imo.

    As for sexual morality, it’s the quality of the society that matters to me, and if we are going to become permanently the kind of society that regards the kind of behaviour exemplified by the aforementioned journo (not just open advocacy of homosexual activity, also the loud, brash, bullying, form over substance approach generally, that has been part of the cultural pollution we in the UK have imported from the US over the past century) then ultimately I don’t think the society or the race is worth defending anyway.

    Your race is your extended family. It is your duty to support and perpetuate your family, even if they fail your high moral standards. Especially since whites are at least one of the two most creative and innovative major racial groups (the other being Orientals), without whom the whole of humanity would suffer.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Especially since whites are at least one of the two most creative and innovative major racial groups (the other being Orientals)

    I tend to think that it would be jews and japanese (rather than orientals generally) who would be included in such a grouping with whites.

    , @Corvinus
    "Your race is your extended family."

    No, your religion comes first, then your individual family, then your nation. White people have always made their choices how they interact with non-white people.

    "It is your duty to support and perpetuate your family, even if they fail your high moral standards."

    Youd family, as in mother/father, grandparents, brothers/sisters, and extended kin.

    "Especially since whites are at least one of the two most creative and innovative major racial groups (the other being Orientals), without whom the whole of humanity would suffer."

    Creative and innovative, destructive and barbaric are ALL racial groups. Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.
  167. @Unladen Swallow
    Did you watch any more of that video? He actually sounded like something of a Tory, he mentioned that once our country's govt. did great things like the Manhattan Project, The Interstate Highway System, and the space program. He even said we shouldn't use free market economics to argue against the federal government trying to do things like that. I think he's more of a libertarian leaning conservative than a true libertarian, but so are a lot of people on the right, Charles Murray and Thomas Sowell notably.

    His company, Palantir Technologies is a really interesting case history, he initially funded out of his own pocket and started the company out to help our intelligence and law enforcement agencies and it even received a bit of start up money from the CIA's venture fund ( Although most of the initial capital came from Thiel ) . It now seems to get it's clients from both the Federal Government and Wall Street equally. The company like his friend Elon Musk's companies has been funded both by venture capital and government contracts.

    And like I said before he has mentioned the deindustrialization of the country as something that is bad, not many libertarians or traditional GOP conservatives have done that, nor have they openly supported Trump. Have you read what a lot of libertarians are saying? they are going nuts opposing Trump, and they still think illegal immigration and trade deals with China are awesome. If you want go after some crazy libertarians, take aim at the people like Bryan Caplan, Tyler Cowen and the people who work at Reason magazine not Thiel.

    Yes, I got to that part where he mentioned government programs. And I actually disagree with him. On one hand, NASA is an expensive disaster. Landing on the moon didn’t accomplish anything valuable, and now they can’t even send a rocket into space. On the other hand, you could argue that the Manhattan Project was pure evil, both in its goals and means.
    Indeed Thiel sometimes sounds like a big government guy, an entrepreneur eager to have access to those sweet billions from the federal budget for his business.
    I never realized Thiel had such a great number of fanboys, sheesh! Speaking of rock star businessmen, does anybody know whether Elon Musk is a closet Trumpist?

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Well, which is it? Is he a crazy anti-government libertarian or a cozy big government applauding conservative ? First you said it was the former, now it is the latter. NASA is an expensive disaster today, in it's heyday it was an expensive success, I think that was his point. The Moon landing would not have been a waste of time if we had continued the program, but we completely shut it down once we were convinced the Russians couldn't come close to matching it. Regarding the Manhattan Project, it produced the weapon that prevented WW III from ever happening, by that standard alone it should be regarded as a success.
    , @Kyle
    I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for the Manhattan project. My grandfather would have been in the invasion force.
  168. @BB753
    A normal country doesn't have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal.

    Even if it’s not the most pressing question of the moment, it’s a fair question: Is sodomitic pseudogamy the normal social arrangement of a normal country?

    And remember how got there: First it was the Obama administration that failed to uphold our country’s marriage laws (just as it failed to uphold our immigration laws). Then it was the ravings of a single, deeply troubled lawyer in a black robe who declared that any legal critique of homosexualism is irrational.

    If the SCOTUS can turn night into day, black into white, and sodomy into matrimony, why can’t it declare some kind of perpetual amnesty? In fact, that seems less a reach than overturning two millennia of Western family law.

    I’ve long said that the immigration hawks ignore the social issues at your (our) peril.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Even if it’s not the most pressing question of the moment, it’s a fair question: Is sodomitic pseudogamy the normal social arrangement of a normal country?
     
    Naturalization is very similar to marriage, so the two issues are obverse sides of the same debased coin.

    Our immigration policies are sodomitic pseudogamy!
  169. @reiner Tor

    As for sexual morality, it’s the quality of the society that matters to me, and if we are going to become permanently the kind of society that regards the kind of behaviour exemplified by the aforementioned journo (not just open advocacy of homosexual activity, also the loud, brash, bullying, form over substance approach generally, that has been part of the cultural pollution we in the UK have imported from the US over the past century) then ultimately I don’t think the society or the race is worth defending anyway.
     
    Your race is your extended family. It is your duty to support and perpetuate your family, even if they fail your high moral standards. Especially since whites are at least one of the two most creative and innovative major racial groups (the other being Orientals), without whom the whole of humanity would suffer.

    Especially since whites are at least one of the two most creative and innovative major racial groups (the other being Orientals)

    I tend to think that it would be jews and japanese (rather than orientals generally) who would be included in such a grouping with whites.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Those are not major racial groups comparable to whites.

    You could name some Indian ethnic groups/casts (like Parsis and many Brahmin groups) as well, if you named Jews (who are not uniformly so smart and creative) or Japanese, besides, of you picked Japanese, then you'd have to check European ethnic groups separately, too, like North Italians or Germans (which could be further sub-divided).
  170. @Wilkey
    "A normal country doesn’t have gay marriage, or pro-homosexual organizations, right, Peter Thiel? Oops, looks like I was wrong! Because Thiel is a pro LGBT activist, and supports deviancy in all its forms, including gay marriage, which is, I guess, the new normal."

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It's a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.

    To the extent that homosexuality is a problem, it is only that so many homosexuals care so little about the future of the country since they have no progeny to be part of it. Thiel actually takes an interest in our future despite being gay, yet you berate him for it.

    Just go away, troll.

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.

    Mostly.

    But marriage is always relevant. It predates the state, it predates civilization itself. The latter is founded upon it. “Equality” with buggery is hardly a healthy development.

    In fact, it is precisely because “homosexuality” is irrelevant that it should not be allowed anywhere near marriage.

    The nature and purpose of marriage is fundamental. At the moment it’s on the back burner because we’re basically at war. But when we get our country back, we’d like the rest of our civilization back along with it.

    • Replies: @melendwyr
    Ridiculous. Our society arranged for legal marriage to be unconnected to reproductive pair-bonding long before either of us were born.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    An astute comment, Reg. A little homosexuality will always lurk around the edges and be more or less tolerated, but it should NEVER be mainstreamed. Go back and watch Love At First Bite from the 70's for some prescience on this topic.
    , @Twinkie

    But marriage is always relevant. It predates the state, it predates civilization itself. The latter is founded upon it.
     
    Indeed. Marriage to women and procreation civilize men. It induces them to build peaceful communities where civilization can flourish.

    However, despite my strong and heartfelt opposition to abortion and homosexual "marriage," I'd note that these are symptoms rather than causes of our cultural decline. The rot began before these came about. They are consequences of the said rot.
  171. @reiner Tor
    Citizenism is worthless without white identity. It's in the interest of American blacks to have a functioning white majority, actually, I think for most Asians it's also more comfortable to live in a mostly white country with a functioning white majority. Mestizos and Amerinds, ditto.

    And white identitarianism without any kind of citizenism will lead to civil war or at least an apartheid-style polity, which, given the white psyche, is bound to eventually fall.

    So citizenism shouldn't be thought of as an alternative to white identitarianism, rather as a complementer ideology. The two together work better.

    So citizenism shouldn’t be thought of as an alternative to white identitarianism, rather as a complementer ideology. The two together work better.

    I don’t see either as ideologies. They’re tactics. And switching back-and-forth between different tactics is the nature of war.

    Of course, logistics trumps both tactics and strategy, in the famous quote. So start breeding, already!

  172. @Percy Gryce
    Immivasion may very well be God's judgment on our nation for letting it become a New Sodom and Gomorrah.

    When has the nation violated the laws of hospitality, a la Sodom and Gomorrah?

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    Bwahaha. One doesn't often see modernist biblical interpretation at iSteve.

    Of course, the entire tradition understands that the sin of Sodom was sexual perversion--a sin that cries to Heaven for vengeance.
  173. @Reg Cæsar

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.
     
    Mostly.

    But marriage is always relevant. It predates the state, it predates civilization itself. The latter is founded upon it. "Equality" with buggery is hardly a healthy development.

    In fact, it is precisely because "homosexuality" is irrelevant that it should not be allowed anywhere near marriage.

    The nature and purpose of marriage is fundamental. At the moment it's on the back burner because we're basically at war. But when we get our country back, we'd like the rest of our civilization back along with it.

    Ridiculous. Our society arranged for legal marriage to be unconnected to reproductive pair-bonding long before either of us were born.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    How so?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Our society arranged for legal marriage to be unconnected to reproductive pair-bonding long before either of us were born.
     
    I know all about the "Reformation", thank you.
  174. @melendwyr
    When has the nation violated the laws of hospitality, a la Sodom and Gomorrah?

    Bwahaha. One doesn’t often see modernist biblical interpretation at iSteve.

    Of course, the entire tradition understands that the sin of Sodom was sexual perversion–a sin that cries to Heaven for vengeance.

    • Replies: @melendwyr
    No, the oldest tradition was that Sodom and Gomorrah violated guest right, a concept that the Middle East has been obsessed with for as long as history has existed.

    Just as the oldest tradition was that Onan was punished for accepting his brother's widow as wife yet refusing to conceive children, which was the point of the exercise. It's a much more recent idea that masturbation was even connected. Yet 'onanism' entered our language as a synonym for self-abuse.
  175. @Opinionator
    Especially since whites are at least one of the two most creative and innovative major racial groups (the other being Orientals)

    I tend to think that it would be jews and japanese (rather than orientals generally) who would be included in such a grouping with whites.

    Those are not major racial groups comparable to whites.

    You could name some Indian ethnic groups/casts (like Parsis and many Brahmin groups) as well, if you named Jews (who are not uniformly so smart and creative) or Japanese, besides, of you picked Japanese, then you’d have to check European ethnic groups separately, too, like North Italians or Germans (which could be further sub-divided).

  176. @melendwyr
    Ridiculous. Our society arranged for legal marriage to be unconnected to reproductive pair-bonding long before either of us were born.

    How so?

  177. @Percy Gryce
    Even if it's not the most pressing question of the moment, it's a fair question: Is sodomitic pseudogamy the normal social arrangement of a normal country?

    And remember how got there: First it was the Obama administration that failed to uphold our country's marriage laws (just as it failed to uphold our immigration laws). Then it was the ravings of a single, deeply troubled lawyer in a black robe who declared that any legal critique of homosexualism is irrational.

    If the SCOTUS can turn night into day, black into white, and sodomy into matrimony, why can't it declare some kind of perpetual amnesty? In fact, that seems less a reach than overturning two millennia of Western family law.

    I've long said that the immigration hawks ignore the social issues at your (our) peril.

    Even if it’s not the most pressing question of the moment, it’s a fair question: Is sodomitic pseudogamy the normal social arrangement of a normal country?

    Naturalization is very similar to marriage, so the two issues are obverse sides of the same debased coin.

    Our immigration policies are sodomitic pseudogamy!

  178. @melendwyr
    Ridiculous. Our society arranged for legal marriage to be unconnected to reproductive pair-bonding long before either of us were born.

    Our society arranged for legal marriage to be unconnected to reproductive pair-bonding long before either of us were born.

    I know all about the “Reformation”, thank you.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    The English Reformation, for one, was quite conservative on marriage issues.
  179. @Randal

    a reverence for cherished and long-held values, such as:
     
    the idea that there is such a thing as morality in sexual activity, and it does define certain acts as inherently wrongful, and while tolerance can and should extended for private lapses, once things are in the open then the underlying disapproval that defines tolerance as opposed to approval or disinterest can no longer be extended.

    As long as they’re consenting adults, I don’t care who Thiel has sex with.
     
    This is very much a modern attitude, not a traditional or conservative one. In the old days, consent was not a particularly big issue and people generally did not distinguish all that much between homosexual behaviour and pederasty.

    My view would be, rather, that I don't care whom or what he has sex with as long as I don't know about it.

    This is very much a modern attitude, not a traditional or conservative one. In the old days, consent was not a particularly big issue and people generally did not distinguish all that much between homosexual behaviour and pederasty.

    In fact, in the old days “sex” meant the difference between men and women. That that term has been debased and manipulated to mean “erotic acts” has had grave consequences:

    http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f

  180. @Nick Diaz
    I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had "adventures" with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter's sexuality didn't fit your ideal of "normal". Is Peter's sexuality included in your definition of a "normal" country? Isn't his sexuality diametrically opposed to the "family values" that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just "conveniently" forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we're all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It's just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about "Christian values", and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    “Lol, no I don’t believe in your bigoted moral principles but if I mention them perhaps you’ll do what I want you to do.”

  181. Did anyone notice some wit set the youtube category for this video to comedy? Totally negates the message, right?

  182. @Reg Cæsar

    Our society arranged for legal marriage to be unconnected to reproductive pair-bonding long before either of us were born.
     
    I know all about the "Reformation", thank you.

    The English Reformation, for one, was quite conservative on marriage issues.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The English Reformation, for one, was quite conservative on marriage issues.
     
    Except for the fat guy.

    Who wrote this book:

    http://www.canterbury.ac.nz/kjb/graphics/english/Large%20images/Henry%20VIII/Henry%20VIII,%20Cover.jpg
  183. @Opinionator
    The horsebreeders equation holds. Better dogs, better horses, better cows etc.

    What is the horsebreeders equation?
  184. @Anonymous
    I may thank you, Thiel, and Trump, and the others who work to make Americal "normal again".

    Still, you browse the Internet a little, and you come across this blog
    : Neo-colonialism and its Discontents
    A blog by Sara Salem. Postcolonialism, Marxism, feminism and other conspiracies.


    Of herself she writes

    A bit about me: I’m 26, I’m half-Dutch, half-Egyptian, and I grew up in Lusaka, Zambia. I’m living in Oakland at the moment and doing a PhD in Political Economy.

    I’m into postcolonialism, Marxism, feminism and other conspiracies.

    I love Audre Lorde, bell hooks, Chandra Mohanty, Lila abu Lughod and Joan Scott. Also Foucault, Fanon, Gramsci and Edward Said.
     
    She is living in Oakland, and "doing" a PhD in Oakland. In a colonialist empire where racism and patriarchy rule.
    She really doesn't seem to want to "do" her PhD in Zambia, where she grew up, nor in Egypt, where she was born. No non-colonialist non-misogynist non-racist country was there she liked to "do" her PhD.

    She also writes her blog, and her other "published works" in English. A language that represents imperialism, White racism, patriarchy, and all the rest of what she fights.

    Below, a bit of what you find on this blogger, "doing" her PhD in, of all places in the world, California:

    The recent image out of France that show policemen surrounding a woman who is removing her veil have struck many people because of how overtly Islamophobic they are. France – a country that constructs itself as being open and secular – recently imposed a fine on women who wear a ‘burqini’ at the beach. This announcement was controversial, and seeing images of this fine in action is bringing even more attention to the new rule.

    What struck me about this image and this story in general is the clear ways in which different structures are intersecting with one another in order to produce this one moment in time. I have seen some of the commentaries talk about how this demonstrates yet another instance of patriarchy and sexism: men telling women what they can and cannot wear. My own reaction was to affirm this – it does seem to be a common denominator when it comes to the different types of violence faced by women across the globe. Women’s bodies are put under the control of patriarchal norms through a variety of mechanisms, from laws to domestic violence to street harassment. The effect of these myriad mechanisms is that women are constantly conscious of what we look like, how we dress, how we take up space (public or private), and how we interact with men. It is a daily reality to know, on some level, that you are never really safe from some type of intrusion – whether it be sexual harassment or severe sexual violence. There are a whole range of ways in which patriarchy – exercised mainly through men but also through women – controls women’s bodies.

    But this is not the whole story. This photo and this moment are also a clear instance of a very racialized interaction. We see white French policemen surrounding a woman who appears to be of Arab descent and who is veiled. In Europe today the veil and Muslim identity in general has often been made to represent a ‘cultural’ identity when in fact it is a heavily racialized one. It is not a distinction between “French” and “Muslim” culture – whatever these are – but between white French and Brown/Black not-quite-French. And so we see that alongside patriarchy there is racism as a determining structure.
     
    Good luck to you, Thiel, Trump, Sailer, non-beta submissive men, making the West normal again, then.

    “The effect of these myriad mechanisms is that women are constantly conscious of what we look like, how we dress, how we take up space (public or private), and how we interact with men.”

    I venture that women have been constantly conscious of these things always, everywhere, from the beginning. And forever will be, until the end.

  185. @reiner Tor

    As for sexual morality, it’s the quality of the society that matters to me, and if we are going to become permanently the kind of society that regards the kind of behaviour exemplified by the aforementioned journo (not just open advocacy of homosexual activity, also the loud, brash, bullying, form over substance approach generally, that has been part of the cultural pollution we in the UK have imported from the US over the past century) then ultimately I don’t think the society or the race is worth defending anyway.
     
    Your race is your extended family. It is your duty to support and perpetuate your family, even if they fail your high moral standards. Especially since whites are at least one of the two most creative and innovative major racial groups (the other being Orientals), without whom the whole of humanity would suffer.

    “Your race is your extended family.”

    No, your religion comes first, then your individual family, then your nation. White people have always made their choices how they interact with non-white people.

    “It is your duty to support and perpetuate your family, even if they fail your high moral standards.”

    Youd family, as in mother/father, grandparents, brothers/sisters, and extended kin.

    “Especially since whites are at least one of the two most creative and innovative major racial groups (the other being Orientals), without whom the whole of humanity would suffer.”

    Creative and innovative, destructive and barbaric are ALL racial groups. Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

  186. @Jack D
    The problem with your statement is the word "open". Homosexuality (which has always existed among a small % of the population) should be a private matter and not a political one. There were always gays in important political, economic and social positions, they just did not advertise their gayness (although often it was an open secret). What did NOT exist in the past (and should not exist now) is an explicitly homosexual political identity. If such a thing exists in your society (and not only exists but is allowed to be the tail that wags the dog), it is not good because homosexuals have interests that differ from those of the greater society. For example, just before the AIDs era, there were homosexual activists who advocated that the police should stop policing the promiscuous sex that was going on in gay bathhouses in NY and SF - it was harmless. Not only did this turn out to be spectacularly wrong but promiscuity is even more corrosive to the larger society where it results in unwanted pregnancies, destruction of the family, etc. It's OK for gays to have political views, as Thiel does, but to the extent that their political views are "gay political views" they should be taken as such and disregarded by those who are not gay.

    Thiel BTW was never an "open" homosexual - he was "outed". Outing leftists is considered to be a bad thing but anything you do to a badwhite is OK.

    “Homosexuality (which has always existed among a small % of the population) should be a private matter and not a political one.”

    Tell that to the Alt Right and evangelicals.

    “What did NOT exist in the past (and should not exist now) is an explicitly homosexual political identity. If such a thing exists in your society (and not only exists but is allowed to be the tail that wags the dog), it is not good because homosexuals have interests that differ from those of the greater society.”

    Homosexuals are citizens of a nation. Their only “difference” is their sexual orientation. Their interests are generally the same compared to straight people. Thiel is living proof of his devotion to his nation. Homosexuals have every liberty to pursue an agenda, even if it runs counter to your positions.

    “For example, just before the AIDs era, there were homosexual activists who advocated that the police should stop policing the promiscuous sex that was going on in gay bathhouses in NY and SF – it was harmless.”

    Privacy matters.

    “Not only did this turn out to be spectacularly wrong but promiscuity is even more corrosive to the larger society where it results in unwanted pregnancies, destruction of the family, etc.”

    Is not Trump and Hillary each the pinnacle of promiscuity and corrosive sexual practices?

    “It’s OK for gays to have political views, as Thiel does, but to the extent that their political views are “gay political views” they should be taken as such and disregarded by those who are not gay.”

    They may be disregarded, but from a legal perspective, they have every right to pursue their agenda.

    “Thiel BTW was never an “open” homosexual – he was “outed”. Outing leftists is considered to be a bad thing but anything you do to a badwhite is OK.”

    Regardless of his “outing”, does he not engage in promiscuity known as gay male sex?

  187. @CK
    No enemies on the right. None. Take your purity and expound upon it AFTER the victory.
    There are not all the many alternatives for you. Ron Paul is a pure man. He is also not President nor chairman of the Fed nor anything else of importance; but he is pure of heart and will never be on the winning side. He can kvetch but he will not procure a victory.
    If your purity is such that Thiel cannot be in your world ... leave.
    For once just for once I want what is best in life for us ...Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
    That is not so much to ask now is it?

    “For once just for once I want what is best in life for us …Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
    That is not so much to ask now is it?”

    Not if you’re John Milius.

  188. @CK
    What is wrong with being expedient? We take the main chance because by definition it is the one with the highest probability of victory.
    I note that the wedding announcement for one man one woman have not declined in the local paper, nor have those announcement declined in the NYT upper crust announcement sections.
    Romantic sentimentality for whom? The upper crust never succumbed to that foolishness, and the lower classes just keep on humpin. Victorian vapours aside there has never been a time without "game." Seduction, Don Juanis, Baby it's cold outside, Dapper Dan Draper, Beau Brummel, the list is as long as humanity. You never leave the game, and married or single, straight or bent game never leaves you.
    Upthread I made some comments on eugenics. The horsebreeders equation holds. Better dogs, better horses, better cows etc. A king Canute once commanded the sea to stop.
    It ignored him. Better AI is inevitable; and that which inevitable you can either serve or command as always the choice is yours.

    I’m sorry you can’t see a difference between a world of select Don Juans and a world where everybody knows why Don Juan is successful and accepts it. Likewise, too bad you can’t tell the difference between tastier cattle and supermen. Sad.

    • Replies: @CK
    The difference between more productive heifers and supermen is that one we use; the other we can become. In a feminist world every man can be a Don Juan if he wishes to lower himself to their level. We understand female hypergamy and we use it as necessary and beneficial. But thank you for your crocodile tears they were salty and went well with the super beef.
  189. @Randal

    Homosexuality is not normal and never can be. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It’s just looking the other way by respectable people. I dont care what you do in private, just stay in your closet, and shut up about gayness. No, deviants should not be allowed to marry among themselves or adopt children. Gays can never be respectable and should be put in their place whenever they try to set the limits of discourse.
    Lastly, how can we defeat cultural Marxism if we allow gays to infiltrate our ranks? Cultural Marxism would never have succeeded without gays and feminists.
     
    This seems broadly correct to me, though I'd emphasise that nobody is a homosexual unless he chooses to make himself one, because it is (or should be) defined by actions, not by temptations. As I noted above, I have often in my life been tempted to murder someone, but I've never actually done so, and so I am not a murderer.

    I’ve explained myself elsewhere on posts Sailer has not deemed fit for publication.
     
    Are you sure he's actually censored them, rather than just delayed approving them? I'd be interested to know if they showed up eventually. He seems to delay approving comments on certain controversial topics, or perhaps from particular commenters he regards as controversial or suspect. Certainly I find some of my comments only appear some time after a lot of subsequent comments.

    Sailer ended publishing my comments only after I complained in a new comment that I was being insulted and slandered but unable to reply.
    Sometimes, Sailer just sits on some comments he fears will derail the conversation. Once commenters are back on topic, he publishes all the off-topic or inflamatory delayed comments.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    It is not possible to slander, libel, insult or in other ways intellectually belittle a pseudonymous entity.
  190. @Kurt van Ghoye
    It's time to take our centers of learning back. It is time to reclaim our history. It is time to drown out the voices who connive to dispossess us with the power of ink and pixel. It is time to dig moats around Truth and raise the drawbridges. It is time to join forces in defense of what is right by forming orders of the stout progenitors of future lineages. Impossible? Pshaw. We know how to organize and execute. We also know how to bide our time. For the culture and people with the greatest accomplishments in history to their name, why should it pose the slightest difficulty not merely to regain tolerance for their way of life, but to secure its perpetual hegemony? The shift will be sudden when it comes. It will be enduring and it will be just. In the meantime, we must grow strong in wealth, in friends, in knowledge and conviction. And when the trumpets sound we will step into the day, assume our positions at lecterns and pulpits and consoles, and resume the administration of our nations as if there had never been the least interruption. Take heart ye brethren, and grow strong!

    Conservatives allowed the Left into academia. The Left has absolutely no intention of returning the favor.

  191. @Randal

    reiner Tor is right. Every problem is a people problem. If you import the wrong people, you can wreck a country.
     
    The evidence of the past few decades seems to be that you don't need to import people to wreck a country, as far as I can see.

    The numbers of immigrants in Britain were trivial up until the very late C20th, and yet it was that very period before real mass immigration on the modern scale which saw the two disastrous world wars, and the transformation from a country in which for most people for most of the time government was a distant irrelevance, to one in which it is an ever-present interferer in every aspect of every citizen's life, and saw propaganda used to socially engineer a change in the basic morality of the country, from Christianity (nominally, at any rate) to post-Christian approval of sexual deviance. In that period the old established elites were overturned and replaced by the trans-national elite that now rules, using every indoctrination trick in the book to impose internationalist dogmas and destroy resistance to the real mass immigration that started in the 1990s.

    Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence of social bankruptcy, not the cause.

    We did it to ourselves.

    The numbers of immigrants in Britain were trivial up until the very late C20th, and yet it was that very period before real mass immigration on the modern scale which saw the two disastrous world wars, and the transformation from a country in which for most people for most of the time government was a distant irrelevance, to one in which it is an ever-present interferer in every aspect of every citizen’s life, and saw propaganda used to socially engineer a change in the basic morality of the country, from Christianity (nominally, at any rate) to post-Christian approval of sexual deviance. In that period the old established elites were overturned and replaced by the trans-national elite that now rules, using every indoctrination trick in the book to impose internationalist dogmas and destroy resistance to the real mass immigration that started in the 1990s.

    Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence of social bankruptcy, not the cause.

    Exactly right. The roots of the West’s problems are cultural, and hence ultimately spiritual, not political.

    The post-Christian heretical left is trying, in its overweening pride, to build another Tower of Babel, i.e. an internationalist utopia. They see themselves as saviors who can redeem the lost masses, and transform them into images of themselves, instead of declaring the gospel to them and leaving the salvation and transformation up to God.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    I don't find that convincing, here in Europe at least the Christian churches are among the biggest promoters of mass immigration, and from what I've read Christian organizations are big in the refugee resettlement business in the US as well.
    Tony Blair who oversaw the massive expansion of immigration to Britain seems to be genuinely religious (and his successor Brown is the son of a Presbyterian minister), Angela Merkel and her idiot Christian Democrats constantly justify their immigration madness with Christianity and are being applauded for this by both Protestant and Catholic clergy...and the US of course had Bush II with his ostentatious piety and his attempts at amnesty for illegal immigrants. Christianity and Christians are a big part of the modern West's problems.
  192. @Lagertha
    Forgot to add several state U's in the Mountain states, and one or two in CA, that do not have oppressive liberal zeitgeist forced upon people. These campuses are soooo beautiful and the surrounding nature provides a wonderful lifestyle for professors and their families. The public schools for faculty kids are excellent, and the cost of living is low compared to east and west coasts. My sons have not come across annoying professors or irritating, coddled, angry-about-something students. Maybe because it is a large U with more serious, middle-class students who know how much their education costs...so, it's all about the learning in those 4 years; upshot: hardly any SJW's. One of the reasons my sons left the East Coast is that they were so sick of SJW's and hypocrites who grew up in privilege...preaching about inequality while living in "good neighborhoods with good schools." These types of students are all over the Eastern Seaboard, especially at elite U's...and of course, elite U's anywhere. Heck, if you study STEM, a 4 year degree, say in Chemistry, is universal.

    Thanks for these comments, Lagertha! Most helpful.

  193. @BB753
    Yes, I got to that part where he mentioned government programs. And I actually disagree with him. On one hand, NASA is an expensive disaster. Landing on the moon didn't accomplish anything valuable, and now they can't even send a rocket into space. On the other hand, you could argue that the Manhattan Project was pure evil, both in its goals and means.
    Indeed Thiel sometimes sounds like a big government guy, an entrepreneur eager to have access to those sweet billions from the federal budget for his business.
    I never realized Thiel had such a great number of fanboys, sheesh! Speaking of rock star businessmen, does anybody know whether Elon Musk is a closet Trumpist?

    Well, which is it? Is he a crazy anti-government libertarian or a cozy big government applauding conservative ? First you said it was the former, now it is the latter. NASA is an expensive disaster today, in it’s heyday it was an expensive success, I think that was his point. The Moon landing would not have been a waste of time if we had continued the program, but we completely shut it down once we were convinced the Russians couldn’t come close to matching it. Regarding the Manhattan Project, it produced the weapon that prevented WW III from ever happening, by that standard alone it should be regarded as a success.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Agree. And I should get to agree with you by using the damned agree button. Please Ron Unz, change the algorithm so that the interval between agrees is proportional to the approved posts.
    , @BB753
    He's both: Thiel's a libertarian in the moral and theoretical spheres, and a big government entrepreneur when it suits him.

    Claiming that nuclear weapons prevented WWIII is a meaningless statement, because it can't be proved or disproved. How can we know?

    What we do know is that Japan during WWII would have surrendered without Hiroshima and Nagasaki, indeed they were offering armistice before being nuked.
    It was a just a big show meant to deter Uncle Joe from invading Japan. And a despicable war crime committed by Truman.
  194. @The Last Real Calvinist

    The numbers of immigrants in Britain were trivial up until the very late C20th, and yet it was that very period before real mass immigration on the modern scale which saw the two disastrous world wars, and the transformation from a country in which for most people for most of the time government was a distant irrelevance, to one in which it is an ever-present interferer in every aspect of every citizen’s life, and saw propaganda used to socially engineer a change in the basic morality of the country, from Christianity (nominally, at any rate) to post-Christian approval of sexual deviance. In that period the old established elites were overturned and replaced by the trans-national elite that now rules, using every indoctrination trick in the book to impose internationalist dogmas and destroy resistance to the real mass immigration that started in the 1990s.

    Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence of social bankruptcy, not the cause.
     

    Exactly right. The roots of the West's problems are cultural, and hence ultimately spiritual, not political.

    The post-Christian heretical left is trying, in its overweening pride, to build another Tower of Babel, i.e. an internationalist utopia. They see themselves as saviors who can redeem the lost masses, and transform them into images of themselves, instead of declaring the gospel to them and leaving the salvation and transformation up to God.

    I don’t find that convincing, here in Europe at least the Christian churches are among the biggest promoters of mass immigration, and from what I’ve read Christian organizations are big in the refugee resettlement business in the US as well.
    Tony Blair who oversaw the massive expansion of immigration to Britain seems to be genuinely religious (and his successor Brown is the son of a Presbyterian minister), Angela Merkel and her idiot Christian Democrats constantly justify their immigration madness with Christianity and are being applauded for this by both Protestant and Catholic clergy…and the US of course had Bush II with his ostentatious piety and his attempts at amnesty for illegal immigrants. Christianity and Christians are a big part of the modern West’s problems.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    You're assuming those churches are in any meaningful way faithful to the gospel. They're not. Many are leading their congregations straight into heresy and calling it God's will.
    , @Randal

    I don’t find that convincing, here in Europe at least the Christian churches are among the biggest promoters of mass immigration, and from what I’ve read Christian organizations are big in the refugee resettlement business in the US as well.
     
    For sure the "Christian" churches are a big part of the problem as far as propagandising for and politically manipulating in favour of mass immigration are concerned (iirc, we've discussed this before and broadly agreed).

    But that's because the "Christian" churches (such as the CoE) in the late C20th and early C21st are not meaningfully Christian any more, certainly as far as the hierarchies are concerned. They are just organisations promoting radical leftist dogmas, such as internationalism and normalising sexual deviance, because their hierarchies are stuffed with people who are either ideologically committed to those courses, or benefit personally from them.

    Such people and views were always present in the church hierarchies of course, but were never as dominant as they became in the late C20th, when with declining church status and attendance the Churches were essentially abandoned to them.
  195. @Anonymous
    Kasich voted for McCain today!

    These nevertrump a-holes are probably going to form a gang alliance in the senate with the donks and try to totally block Trump's first 100 days agenda.

    Nevertrumpers are taking it to the grave.

    Never trumpers are old and out of touch. They think Hispanic outreach is the future of the Republican party. They haven’t come to grasp with the fact that 1 out of every 6 people weren’t born in the country. There is no future for a Republican party, there are only keynesian globalists versus socialist nationalists.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    there are only keynesian globalists versus socialist nationalists
     
    Dude, don't drink the bong water.

    Really, you are an impediment to success. And BTW lots of "Hispanics" are multi-generational Americans that aren't buying the Leftist crack-cocaine.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    …there are only keynesian globalists versus socialist nationalists.
     
    And if your nation isn't particularly socialist, there is no place for them in your world, is there? Goodbye, Anglo-Saxon.

    (By the way, what kind of mileage does your old Trabi get?)
  196. @Chrisnonymous
    I'm sorry you can't see a difference between a world of select Don Juans and a world where everybody knows why Don Juan is successful and accepts it. Likewise, too bad you can't tell the difference between tastier cattle and supermen. Sad.

    The difference between more productive heifers and supermen is that one we use; the other we can become. In a feminist world every man can be a Don Juan if he wishes to lower himself to their level. We understand female hypergamy and we use it as necessary and beneficial. But thank you for your crocodile tears they were salty and went well with the super beef.

  197. @Yak-15
    One of the reasons I lost some respect for libertarianism is best exemplified when Thiel says the US should adopt prison reform to make our sentencing system more like the Euro systems.

    Meanwhile, Europe is starting to realize it's justice system cannot cope with third world POCs because they are extremely different in temperament, disposition and propensity to commit violence.

    I know many autistic geniuses like Thiel and the one thing they all do is notice. He notices the elements of HBD but I believe maintains this prison nonsense to virtue signal.

    He is not autistic. I don’t know where you all are getting the idea that geniuses are autistic. Have you ever been around an autistic person? There is no autism spectrum, that’s just BS to make the parents feel better about their children.

  198. @German_reader
    I don't find that convincing, here in Europe at least the Christian churches are among the biggest promoters of mass immigration, and from what I've read Christian organizations are big in the refugee resettlement business in the US as well.
    Tony Blair who oversaw the massive expansion of immigration to Britain seems to be genuinely religious (and his successor Brown is the son of a Presbyterian minister), Angela Merkel and her idiot Christian Democrats constantly justify their immigration madness with Christianity and are being applauded for this by both Protestant and Catholic clergy...and the US of course had Bush II with his ostentatious piety and his attempts at amnesty for illegal immigrants. Christianity and Christians are a big part of the modern West's problems.

    You’re assuming those churches are in any meaningful way faithful to the gospel. They’re not. Many are leading their congregations straight into heresy and calling it God’s will.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You’re assuming those churches are in any meaningful way faithful to the gospel. They’re not. Many are leading their congregations straight into heresy and calling it God’s will."

    Since the beginning of organized religion, competing groups repeatedly make claims about their ideological counterparts falsely interpreting the word of the Lord. What is considered a "meaningful way" from your perspective?

    "They see themselves as saviors who can redeem the lost masses, and transform them into images of themselves, instead of declaring the gospel to them and leaving the salvation and transformation up to God."

    Religion is about redemption and saving lost souls, as commanded by God Himself.

    Timothy 2:1-5--First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

  199. @Nick Diaz
    I find it so funny to see conservative, Steve Sailer, full of sycophancy when it comes to Thiel, a man who by his own admission had "adventures" with other males and is a bisexual with a preference for men. Hey, Steve, I thought Peter's sexuality didn't fit your ideal of "normal". Is Peter's sexuality included in your definition of a "normal" country? Isn't his sexuality diametrically opposed to the "family values" that you conservatives preach ad nauseum? Oh right, you just "conveniently" forgive him since he is endorsing Trump for President. I understand. Like Cicero used to say, we're all prisoners of necessity.

    Ah, that good old fashioned conservative hypocrisy. It's just like when you see a conservative who goes on and on about "Christian values", and yet is an avid supporter of capital punishment, despite the fact that Christ himself said to turn the other cheek to those who strike us and forgive those who have trespassed us.

    When have you ever heard Steve go on about Christian values?

  200. @BB753
    Yes, I got to that part where he mentioned government programs. And I actually disagree with him. On one hand, NASA is an expensive disaster. Landing on the moon didn't accomplish anything valuable, and now they can't even send a rocket into space. On the other hand, you could argue that the Manhattan Project was pure evil, both in its goals and means.
    Indeed Thiel sometimes sounds like a big government guy, an entrepreneur eager to have access to those sweet billions from the federal budget for his business.
    I never realized Thiel had such a great number of fanboys, sheesh! Speaking of rock star businessmen, does anybody know whether Elon Musk is a closet Trumpist?

    I wouldn’t be alive if it weren’t for the Manhattan project. My grandfather would have been in the invasion force.

  201. Kyle:

    “When have you ever heard Steve go on about Christian values?”

    The problem with you guys is that you can’t read. Nowhere did I say Sailer preaches Christian values. I was *giving an example about how conservatives in general are hypocrites*.

    You guys are unbelievably stupid. It’s actually hilarious.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    Steve isn't a standard conservative. That must be why I was confused, it's very odd that you equate him to a standard conservative.
  202. @Corvinus
    "Homosexuality is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart."

    Homosexuality is indeed a cultural policy, one that is on the radar of the Alt Right. The promotion of that lifestyle by Cultural Marxists in our media has been defined as a scourge by these ideologues, one that without question must be eradicated. However, those same hard-right elitists offer Thiel a "free pass" merely because he is on their side on a host of other issues. Well, I suppose since Thiel is "their gay guy" why should it matter that they are being hypocritical.

    "To the extent that homosexuality is a problem, it is only that so many homosexuals care so little about the future of the country since they have no progeny to be part of it."

    So this is the basis by which a group of people ought to be squarely judged regarding their interest in the direction of the nation, that they must have children in order to secure its future?
    You do realize that there are also non-homosexuals who have no kids yet are committed to our country, or has that fact escaped you?

    Praytell, does Thiel have any white children?

    people ought to be squarely judged

    Ah, the judgemental Corvinus, with a righteous perch from which to judge, virtuously judges while jealously guarding the precept that “judge not, lest ye be judged” – that Corvinus, his righteousness is shining brightly now, and when Corvinus ushers in our glorious Soviet future he ensure that we all will all genuflect and lick his boots.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Ah, the judgemental Corvinus, with a righteous perch from which to judge, virtuously judges while jealously guarding the precept that “judge not, lest ye be judged”"

    Awkward that you make this claim, since your own statements wreak with a "I'm right, you're always wrong" scent.
  203. @Kyle
    Never trumpers are old and out of touch. They think Hispanic outreach is the future of the Republican party. They haven't come to grasp with the fact that 1 out of every 6 people weren't born in the country. There is no future for a Republican party, there are only keynesian globalists versus socialist nationalists.

    there are only keynesian globalists versus socialist nationalists

    Dude, don’t drink the bong water.

    Really, you are an impediment to success. And BTW lots of “Hispanics” are multi-generational Americans that aren’t buying the Leftist crack-cocaine.

  204. @Anonymous
    I may thank you, Thiel, and Trump, and the others who work to make Americal "normal again".

    Still, you browse the Internet a little, and you come across this blog
    : Neo-colonialism and its Discontents
    A blog by Sara Salem. Postcolonialism, Marxism, feminism and other conspiracies.


    Of herself she writes

    A bit about me: I’m 26, I’m half-Dutch, half-Egyptian, and I grew up in Lusaka, Zambia. I’m living in Oakland at the moment and doing a PhD in Political Economy.

    I’m into postcolonialism, Marxism, feminism and other conspiracies.

    I love Audre Lorde, bell hooks, Chandra Mohanty, Lila abu Lughod and Joan Scott. Also Foucault, Fanon, Gramsci and Edward Said.
     
    She is living in Oakland, and "doing" a PhD in Oakland. In a colonialist empire where racism and patriarchy rule.
    She really doesn't seem to want to "do" her PhD in Zambia, where she grew up, nor in Egypt, where she was born. No non-colonialist non-misogynist non-racist country was there she liked to "do" her PhD.

    She also writes her blog, and her other "published works" in English. A language that represents imperialism, White racism, patriarchy, and all the rest of what she fights.

    Below, a bit of what you find on this blogger, "doing" her PhD in, of all places in the world, California:

    The recent image out of France that show policemen surrounding a woman who is removing her veil have struck many people because of how overtly Islamophobic they are. France – a country that constructs itself as being open and secular – recently imposed a fine on women who wear a ‘burqini’ at the beach. This announcement was controversial, and seeing images of this fine in action is bringing even more attention to the new rule.

    What struck me about this image and this story in general is the clear ways in which different structures are intersecting with one another in order to produce this one moment in time. I have seen some of the commentaries talk about how this demonstrates yet another instance of patriarchy and sexism: men telling women what they can and cannot wear. My own reaction was to affirm this – it does seem to be a common denominator when it comes to the different types of violence faced by women across the globe. Women’s bodies are put under the control of patriarchal norms through a variety of mechanisms, from laws to domestic violence to street harassment. The effect of these myriad mechanisms is that women are constantly conscious of what we look like, how we dress, how we take up space (public or private), and how we interact with men. It is a daily reality to know, on some level, that you are never really safe from some type of intrusion – whether it be sexual harassment or severe sexual violence. There are a whole range of ways in which patriarchy – exercised mainly through men but also through women – controls women’s bodies.

    But this is not the whole story. This photo and this moment are also a clear instance of a very racialized interaction. We see white French policemen surrounding a woman who appears to be of Arab descent and who is veiled. In Europe today the veil and Muslim identity in general has often been made to represent a ‘cultural’ identity when in fact it is a heavily racialized one. It is not a distinction between “French” and “Muslim” culture – whatever these are – but between white French and Brown/Black not-quite-French. And so we see that alongside patriarchy there is racism as a determining structure.
     
    Good luck to you, Thiel, Trump, Sailer, non-beta submissive men, making the West normal again, then.

    It is disconcerting that someone “doing” “a phd” can be shocked that a secular country is fining the burquini wearers.

  205. @Unladen Swallow
    Well, which is it? Is he a crazy anti-government libertarian or a cozy big government applauding conservative ? First you said it was the former, now it is the latter. NASA is an expensive disaster today, in it's heyday it was an expensive success, I think that was his point. The Moon landing would not have been a waste of time if we had continued the program, but we completely shut it down once we were convinced the Russians couldn't come close to matching it. Regarding the Manhattan Project, it produced the weapon that prevented WW III from ever happening, by that standard alone it should be regarded as a success.

    Agree. And I should get to agree with you by using the damned agree button. Please Ron Unz, change the algorithm so that the interval between agrees is proportional to the approved posts.

  206. @Nick Diaz
    Kyle:

    "When have you ever heard Steve go on about Christian values?"

    The problem with you guys is that you can't read. Nowhere did I say Sailer preaches Christian values. I was *giving an example about how conservatives in general are hypocrites*.

    You guys are unbelievably stupid. It's actually hilarious.

    Steve isn’t a standard conservative. That must be why I was confused, it’s very odd that you equate him to a standard conservative.

  207. @BB753
    Ok, we can use these people to win and dump them afterwards. Does this sound better?
    Is it too much to ask for these fellow travelers to accept a little bit of criticism. I was calling out Thiel on his blindness to the fact that he seems to forget that open homosexuality advocacy and gay marriage do not belong either in a normal and sane society.
    I'd rather have Brendan Eich on board than Thiel. Remember, this super duper billionaire has only donated $ 1.25 to Trump. That's chump change for him, like an ordinary guy donating $200. Does Trump or the right really need him? He's not even a good public speaker.
    And for the record, libertarians, gay or straight, are liberals. You young alt-righters should read more and get a real glimpse of the world.

    Yeah I’m a liberal.
    I read. What’s wrong with liberals?

  208. @This Is Our Home
    You are an idiot and Thiel is a hero.

    Please stop being an idiot and making the perfect the enemy of the great. I personally could not care less about whether gays have wedding pageants or not. Yes, it was forced through for obnoxious reasons and via obnoxious means but whatever really, there are big issues at stake in this election and Thiel is willing to sacrifice big to help fix them.

    If Trump wins, Thiel 2024.

    If Trump loses, Thiel 2020.

    Either way he would make a great, highly-articulate and very likeable candidate with proven values.

    Thiel was born in Germany. He can’t run for president.

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
    My mistake, that is a shame. Thiel would make an excellent candidate.
  209. @BB753
    Sailer ended publishing my comments only after I complained in a new comment that I was being insulted and slandered but unable to reply.
    Sometimes, Sailer just sits on some comments he fears will derail the conversation. Once commenters are back on topic, he publishes all the off-topic or inflamatory delayed comments.

    It is not possible to slander, libel, insult or in other ways intellectually belittle a pseudonymous entity.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Even pseudonymous entities dislike being called trolls.
  210. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they’re currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)

     

    Daughter Calvinist is approaching college age. I would actually love to know which colleges you're talking about, because a high-quality liberal arts college that's being undersold sounds very good.

    I know Hillsdale is good, and not liberal, but it's often left off ranking lists altogether because it refuses to take government funding.

    Is Wheaton (the one in Illinois) another one? I guess they must be getting punished somewhere somehow for actually tossing out that faculty member who was pushing heresy.

    Washington and Lee was indeed the one I had in mind, as they have had trouble attracting enough negroes and immigrants to their remote mountain location and are being punished in several prominent rankings for a “lack of diversity”. Contra the other responder, I don’t think Rice is right of center.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for the reply -- Washington and Lee is a college I don't know much about. I'll look into it.
  211. @Anonymous
    Thiel was born in Germany. He can't run for president.

    My mistake, that is a shame. Thiel would make an excellent candidate.

  212. @melendwyr
    'Conservative' means different things to different people. I consider it to mean a reverence for cherished and long-held values, such as:

    The idea that as long as they're not harming others, people ought to be able to live their lives as they see fit without governmental interference.
    The idea that I don't need to approve of something to tolerate it.
    The idea that the government shouldn't necessarily act against something merely because I disapprove of it.
    The idea that people who disagree about many things can still come together to support mutual interests, especially political ones.

    Voltaire's "I do not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" applies to many, many actions as well as speech.

    As long as they're consenting adults, I don't care who Thiel has sex with. I don't even care if it's with animals. Nor do I care if he's vegetarian or religious or only buys clothing made in America.

    As Randal points out, nothing you name is a “cherished and long-held value.” They are the “values” of minority groups who see themselves as victims of majority society and the “values” of wicked men resentful that anyone should try to interfere with their wickedness. They are the “values” of the con-man, the seducer, and the usurer.

  213. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    people ought to be squarely judged
     
    Ah, the judgemental Corvinus, with a righteous perch from which to judge, virtuously judges while jealously guarding the precept that "judge not, lest ye be judged" - that Corvinus, his righteousness is shining brightly now, and when Corvinus ushers in our glorious Soviet future he ensure that we all will all genuflect and lick his boots.

    “Ah, the judgemental Corvinus, with a righteous perch from which to judge, virtuously judges while jealously guarding the precept that “judge not, lest ye be judged””

    Awkward that you make this claim, since your own statements wreak with a “I’m right, you’re always wrong” scent.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Awkward that you make this claim, since your own statements wreak with a “I’m right, you’re always wrong” scent.
     
    Okay, so you don't think you are always right (otherwise that 'scent' would be on you). Please provide five instances where you thought you were right but you were wrong.

    (BTW, I already have my five, so I'll be happy to respond in kind.)
  214. @The Last Real Calvinist
    You're assuming those churches are in any meaningful way faithful to the gospel. They're not. Many are leading their congregations straight into heresy and calling it God's will.

    “You’re assuming those churches are in any meaningful way faithful to the gospel. They’re not. Many are leading their congregations straight into heresy and calling it God’s will.”

    Since the beginning of organized religion, competing groups repeatedly make claims about their ideological counterparts falsely interpreting the word of the Lord. What is considered a “meaningful way” from your perspective?

    “They see themselves as saviors who can redeem the lost masses, and transform them into images of themselves, instead of declaring the gospel to them and leaving the salvation and transformation up to God.”

    Religion is about redemption and saving lost souls, as commanded by God Himself.

    Timothy 2:1-5–First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life
     
    When you are under vicious, perpetual and relentless attack by liberals (almost all Democrats and virtually all Establishment Republicans) you know that there will be no "supplications, prayers, intercessions" sufficient to stay their bloody-minded assault. The liberals have demanded to be granted unlimited power. And with that power they would consign us all to the Gulag.

    Corvinus, you are an agent of the Gulag. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn will condemn you on Judgement Day.
  215. @Yngvar
    It is not possible to slander, libel, insult or in other ways intellectually belittle a pseudonymous entity.

    Even pseudonymous entities dislike being called trolls.

  216. @Unladen Swallow
    Well, which is it? Is he a crazy anti-government libertarian or a cozy big government applauding conservative ? First you said it was the former, now it is the latter. NASA is an expensive disaster today, in it's heyday it was an expensive success, I think that was his point. The Moon landing would not have been a waste of time if we had continued the program, but we completely shut it down once we were convinced the Russians couldn't come close to matching it. Regarding the Manhattan Project, it produced the weapon that prevented WW III from ever happening, by that standard alone it should be regarded as a success.

    He’s both: Thiel’s a libertarian in the moral and theoretical spheres, and a big government entrepreneur when it suits him.

    Claiming that nuclear weapons prevented WWIII is a meaningless statement, because it can’t be proved or disproved. How can we know?

    What we do know is that Japan during WWII would have surrendered without Hiroshima and Nagasaki, indeed they were offering armistice before being nuked.
    It was a just a big show meant to deter Uncle Joe from invading Japan. And a despicable war crime committed by Truman.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Wrong. There was a faction that tried to assassinate the Emperor when it looked like he might surrender. An armistice is not the same as Unconditional Surrender which was our demand. The A-bomb saved at least a million US casualties and millions more Japanese.
    , @Randal
    I agree with you about Japan, but:

    Claiming that nuclear weapons prevented WWIII is a meaningless statement, because it can’t be proved or disproved. How can we know?
     
    This kind of assertion can be made, by definition, about any counterfactual speculation of sufficient complexity. It's applying a standard of proof appropriate to logic or mathematics, inappropriately, to complex, real world human affairs.

    The reality based upon human history and the highly aggressive natures of the US, Soviet and Chinese regimes is surely that it is almost inconceivable that there would not have been a war between two or more out of the US, China and the Soviet Union since 1945, were it not for nuclear weapons, and the resulting situation whereby the leaders of those countries had to face the reality that they had no way of evading the most dire of consequences for themselves and their families, even if their side were to "win". Imo, that's how the nuclear peace works - for the first time in human history the decision makers on both sides of a potential war know they can't hope to meaningfully win, even if their side is stronger.

    That reality was not present early in the Cold War, and came much later wrt China, but it has been in place for the past half century and more, for sure, as far as the US and the Soviet Union were concerned.

    The fact is that there has never been a war aimed at the conquest of a declared nuclear weapons state, whereas such wars were commonplace before 1945. (Proposed exceptions such as the Falklands War, and the 1973 war against Israel, fail on various counts).
  217. @Percy Gryce
    The English Reformation, for one, was quite conservative on marriage issues.

    The English Reformation, for one, was quite conservative on marriage issues.

    Except for the fat guy.

    Who wrote this book:

  218. @Percy Gryce
    Bwahaha. One doesn't often see modernist biblical interpretation at iSteve.

    Of course, the entire tradition understands that the sin of Sodom was sexual perversion--a sin that cries to Heaven for vengeance.

    No, the oldest tradition was that Sodom and Gomorrah violated guest right, a concept that the Middle East has been obsessed with for as long as history has existed.

    Just as the oldest tradition was that Onan was punished for accepting his brother’s widow as wife yet refusing to conceive children, which was the point of the exercise. It’s a much more recent idea that masturbation was even connected. Yet ‘onanism’ entered our language as a synonym for self-abuse.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Christianity is hardly alone in discouraging self-abuse:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_masturbation#Taoism
  219. @BB753
    He's both: Thiel's a libertarian in the moral and theoretical spheres, and a big government entrepreneur when it suits him.

    Claiming that nuclear weapons prevented WWIII is a meaningless statement, because it can't be proved or disproved. How can we know?

    What we do know is that Japan during WWII would have surrendered without Hiroshima and Nagasaki, indeed they were offering armistice before being nuked.
    It was a just a big show meant to deter Uncle Joe from invading Japan. And a despicable war crime committed by Truman.

    Wrong. There was a faction that tried to assassinate the Emperor when it looked like he might surrender. An armistice is not the same as Unconditional Surrender which was our demand. The A-bomb saved at least a million US casualties and millions more Japanese.

    • Replies: @BB753
    An armistice was good enough if the goal as you state was to save lives. Why push for inconditional surrender? There was no need to invade Japan, just a lust for empire.

    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ghoar.htm
    , @Randal

    Wrong. There was a faction that tried to assassinate the Emperor when it looked like he might surrender. An armistice is not the same as Unconditional Surrender which was our demand. The A-bomb saved at least a million US casualties and millions more Japanese.
     
    This is the point where the debate over the atomic bomb use in 1945 always ends, once the lies about a US invasion of Japan being "necessary" have been abandoned - an admission that the bombings were in reality only "necessary" to achieve unconditional surrender, not "to end the war" (and even that is not provable, since just as there were diehard factions in the Japanese government who would have gone so far as to assassinate the Emperor to prevent surrender, there were also significant forces - including the Emperor himself - who knew that the reality was that Japan was already irrevocably and finally defeated without any hope of changing that fact).

    Seeking unconditional surrender was a strategic and political choice of the US regime and its allies, not in any sense a necessity. Indeed it was commonplace prior to WW2 to end wars with some sort of treaty varying in harshness according to the scale of the defeat. And the terms the Japanese were already willing to accept were very harsh indeed, essentially giving up any hope of ever gaining an empire like the ones they had seen the European powers and the US build.

    The US slaughtered tens of thousands of innocents in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to achieve their political and strategic goals, by terrorising the Japanese government into submission. In other words, killing innocents en masse for policy reasons - because they thought circumstances would be better for them (and therefore supposedly the world) afterwards. (We have a particular word for slaughtering civilians in order to coerce their governments these days, but we pretend it doesn't apply when our governments do it.) That's how governments behave, and the US government has been little different from others in that regard, however much Americans and their apologists might fantasise to the contrary.
  220. @Reg Cæsar

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.
     
    Mostly.

    But marriage is always relevant. It predates the state, it predates civilization itself. The latter is founded upon it. "Equality" with buggery is hardly a healthy development.

    In fact, it is precisely because "homosexuality" is irrelevant that it should not be allowed anywhere near marriage.

    The nature and purpose of marriage is fundamental. At the moment it's on the back burner because we're basically at war. But when we get our country back, we'd like the rest of our civilization back along with it.

    An astute comment, Reg. A little homosexuality will always lurk around the edges and be more or less tolerated, but it should NEVER be mainstreamed. Go back and watch Love At First Bite from the 70′s for some prescience on this topic.

  221. @Kyle
    Never trumpers are old and out of touch. They think Hispanic outreach is the future of the Republican party. They haven't come to grasp with the fact that 1 out of every 6 people weren't born in the country. There is no future for a Republican party, there are only keynesian globalists versus socialist nationalists.

    …there are only keynesian globalists versus socialist nationalists.

    And if your nation isn’t particularly socialist, there is no place for them in your world, is there? Goodbye, Anglo-Saxon.

    (By the way, what kind of mileage does your old Trabi get?)

  222. @Jim Don Bob
    Wrong. There was a faction that tried to assassinate the Emperor when it looked like he might surrender. An armistice is not the same as Unconditional Surrender which was our demand. The A-bomb saved at least a million US casualties and millions more Japanese.

    An armistice was good enough if the goal as you state was to save lives. Why push for inconditional surrender? There was no need to invade Japan, just a lust for empire.

    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ghoar.htm

  223. @Randal

    reiner Tor is right. Every problem is a people problem. If you import the wrong people, you can wreck a country.
     
    The evidence of the past few decades seems to be that you don't need to import people to wreck a country, as far as I can see.

    The numbers of immigrants in Britain were trivial up until the very late C20th, and yet it was that very period before real mass immigration on the modern scale which saw the two disastrous world wars, and the transformation from a country in which for most people for most of the time government was a distant irrelevance, to one in which it is an ever-present interferer in every aspect of every citizen's life, and saw propaganda used to socially engineer a change in the basic morality of the country, from Christianity (nominally, at any rate) to post-Christian approval of sexual deviance. In that period the old established elites were overturned and replaced by the trans-national elite that now rules, using every indoctrination trick in the book to impose internationalist dogmas and destroy resistance to the real mass immigration that started in the 1990s.

    Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence of social bankruptcy, not the cause.

    We did it to ourselves.

    > Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence
    > of social bankruptcy, not the cause.

    Surely they are also a consequence of progress in transportation, information, health, etc.?

    And there are feedback loops that make the consequence in turn amplify the original cause, etc.

    Things are complicated…

    • Replies: @Randal
    Yes, absolutely. My point is really that it is not so simple as was implied, that everything depends solely upon race.
  224. @Kyle McKenna
    Washington and Lee was indeed the one I had in mind, as they have had trouble attracting enough negroes and immigrants to their remote mountain location and are being punished in several prominent rankings for a "lack of diversity". Contra the other responder, I don't think Rice is right of center.

    Thanks for the reply — Washington and Lee is a college I don’t know much about. I’ll look into it.

  225. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Please name a prominent liberal-arts college that is not liberal. (There are actually a couple, and they’re currently being punished in the rankings for inadequate Diversity.)

     

    Daughter Calvinist is approaching college age. I would actually love to know which colleges you're talking about, because a high-quality liberal arts college that's being undersold sounds very good.

    I know Hillsdale is good, and not liberal, but it's often left off ranking lists altogether because it refuses to take government funding.

    Is Wheaton (the one in Illinois) another one? I guess they must be getting punished somewhere somehow for actually tossing out that faculty member who was pushing heresy.

    Daughter Calvinist is approaching college age. I would actually love to know which colleges you’re talking about, because a high-quality liberal arts college that’s being undersold sounds very good.

    I don’t know about prominent, but there are several with very good Core Curricula. I know that you are obviously not Catholic, but take a look at the structure of Thomas Aquinas College, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas_College

    Thomas Aquinas offers one degree, a bachelor of arts in liberals arts. This is an integrated liberal arts curriculum made up primarily of the Great Books of the Western Tradition, with order of learning emphasized in the structure of the curriculum. Much of the first two years of the four-year program is devoted to the Trivium (logic, rhetoric, and grammar) and the Quadrivium (geometry, astronomy, arithmetic, and music.)[6] Natural science, philosophy, and theology are studied all four years. Papers are assigned in the various subject areas throughout the year; fourth-year students produce a senior thesis and defend it before a panel of faculty members.

    The college replaces textbooks with original sources, the seminal works in all the major disciplines.[7] Thomas Aquinas College acknowledges that not all texts in their program are of equal weight. They regard some as masterworks and others as sources of opinions that “either lead students to the truth, or make the truth more evident by opposition to it.”[6] Students read some texts in their entirety and only excerpts from others.[6]

    The college’s St. Vincent de Paul Lecture and Concert Series complements its regular academic program, providing events at least once a month during the academic year.

    And the student life:

    Four chaplain-priests live on campus. They provide the sacraments and spiritual direction.[citation needed]

    The school has a club soccer team that plays in a Ventura County league.[citation needed] There is also an intramural sports program offering soccer, tennis, football, and volleyball on the school’s courts.[citation needed]

    The St. Genesius players produce one play a year, commonly a selection from Shakespeare.[citation needed] The College Choir presents an annual concert and a spring musical, often a production of Gilbert and Sullivan.[citation needed] It sings at Sunday Mass and special events. Another student choir and various instrumentalists and vocalists in the student body provide informal recitals throughout the year, at formal and informal events.

    Unmarried students are housed on-campus in six dormitories. Married students may live off-campus. Men’s and women’s residence halls are off-limits to members of the opposite sex.[8]

    The possession or use of alcohol or illegal drugs on campus or in the dormitories is not allowed and may entail expulsion from the college.[8] [Boldfaces mine.]

    How refreshingly wholesome, eh?

    And very independent – even from the Catholic Church:

    As a matter of principle, to ensure the institution’s autonomy, the school does not accept any direct government funding; neither does it receive funding from the Catholic Church.

  226. @Reg Cæsar

    Homosexuality is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. It has nothing to do with the actual cultural and policy changes that are ripping this country apart.
     
    Mostly.

    But marriage is always relevant. It predates the state, it predates civilization itself. The latter is founded upon it. "Equality" with buggery is hardly a healthy development.

    In fact, it is precisely because "homosexuality" is irrelevant that it should not be allowed anywhere near marriage.

    The nature and purpose of marriage is fundamental. At the moment it's on the back burner because we're basically at war. But when we get our country back, we'd like the rest of our civilization back along with it.

    But marriage is always relevant. It predates the state, it predates civilization itself. The latter is founded upon it.

    Indeed. Marriage to women and procreation civilize men. It induces them to build peaceful communities where civilization can flourish.

    However, despite my strong and heartfelt opposition to abortion and homosexual “marriage,” I’d note that these are symptoms rather than causes of our cultural decline. The rot began before these came about. They are consequences of the said rot.

  227. @The Anti-Gnostic

    No enemies on the right. None. Take your purity and expound upon it AFTER the victory.
     
    Exactimundo. This is political warfare, not debate over precious, precious principle.

    “Exactimundo. This is political warfare, not debate over precious, precious principle.”

    Political warfare predicated upon principles that ought to be embraced and upheld by the Alt-Right, like race realism and anti-crony capitalism. Why you dare not admit that fact is beyond me.

  228. @European-American
    > Mass immigration and race replacement are a consequence
    > of social bankruptcy, not the cause.

    Surely they are also a consequence of progress in transportation, information, health, etc.?

    And there are feedback loops that make the consequence in turn amplify the original cause, etc.

    Things are complicated...

    Yes, absolutely. My point is really that it is not so simple as was implied, that everything depends solely upon race.

  229. @Jim Don Bob
    Wrong. There was a faction that tried to assassinate the Emperor when it looked like he might surrender. An armistice is not the same as Unconditional Surrender which was our demand. The A-bomb saved at least a million US casualties and millions more Japanese.

    Wrong. There was a faction that tried to assassinate the Emperor when it looked like he might surrender. An armistice is not the same as Unconditional Surrender which was our demand. The A-bomb saved at least a million US casualties and millions more Japanese.

    This is the point where the debate over the atomic bomb use in 1945 always ends, once the lies about a US invasion of Japan being “necessary” have been abandoned – an admission that the bombings were in reality only “necessary” to achieve unconditional surrender, not “to end the war” (and even that is not provable, since just as there were diehard factions in the Japanese government who would have gone so far as to assassinate the Emperor to prevent surrender, there were also significant forces – including the Emperor himself – who knew that the reality was that Japan was already irrevocably and finally defeated without any hope of changing that fact).

    Seeking unconditional surrender was a strategic and political choice of the US regime and its allies, not in any sense a necessity. Indeed it was commonplace prior to WW2 to end wars with some sort of treaty varying in harshness according to the scale of the defeat. And the terms the Japanese were already willing to accept were very harsh indeed, essentially giving up any hope of ever gaining an empire like the ones they had seen the European powers and the US build.

    The US slaughtered tens of thousands of innocents in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to achieve their political and strategic goals, by terrorising the Japanese government into submission. In other words, killing innocents en masse for policy reasons – because they thought circumstances would be better for them (and therefore supposedly the world) afterwards. (We have a particular word for slaughtering civilians in order to coerce their governments these days, but we pretend it doesn’t apply when our governments do it.) That’s how governments behave, and the US government has been little different from others in that regard, however much Americans and their apologists might fantasise to the contrary.

    • Agree: BB753
  230. @BB753
    He's both: Thiel's a libertarian in the moral and theoretical spheres, and a big government entrepreneur when it suits him.

    Claiming that nuclear weapons prevented WWIII is a meaningless statement, because it can't be proved or disproved. How can we know?

    What we do know is that Japan during WWII would have surrendered without Hiroshima and Nagasaki, indeed they were offering armistice before being nuked.
    It was a just a big show meant to deter Uncle Joe from invading Japan. And a despicable war crime committed by Truman.

    I agree with you about Japan, but:

    Claiming that nuclear weapons prevented WWIII is a meaningless statement, because it can’t be proved or disproved. How can we know?

    This kind of assertion can be made, by definition, about any counterfactual speculation of sufficient complexity. It’s applying a standard of proof appropriate to logic or mathematics, inappropriately, to complex, real world human affairs.

    The reality based upon human history and the highly aggressive natures of the US, Soviet and Chinese regimes is surely that it is almost inconceivable that there would not have been a war between two or more out of the US, China and the Soviet Union since 1945, were it not for nuclear weapons, and the resulting situation whereby the leaders of those countries had to face the reality that they had no way of evading the most dire of consequences for themselves and their families, even if their side were to “win”. Imo, that’s how the nuclear peace works – for the first time in human history the decision makers on both sides of a potential war know they can’t hope to meaningfully win, even if their side is stronger.

    That reality was not present early in the Cold War, and came much later wrt China, but it has been in place for the past half century and more, for sure, as far as the US and the Soviet Union were concerned.

    The fact is that there has never been a war aimed at the conquest of a declared nuclear weapons state, whereas such wars were commonplace before 1945. (Proposed exceptions such as the Falklands War, and the 1973 war against Israel, fail on various counts).

    • Replies: @BB753
    It's too soon to test your theory. Give it another century without a major war between nuclear powers and I'll be convinced.
  231. @German_reader
    I don't find that convincing, here in Europe at least the Christian churches are among the biggest promoters of mass immigration, and from what I've read Christian organizations are big in the refugee resettlement business in the US as well.
    Tony Blair who oversaw the massive expansion of immigration to Britain seems to be genuinely religious (and his successor Brown is the son of a Presbyterian minister), Angela Merkel and her idiot Christian Democrats constantly justify their immigration madness with Christianity and are being applauded for this by both Protestant and Catholic clergy...and the US of course had Bush II with his ostentatious piety and his attempts at amnesty for illegal immigrants. Christianity and Christians are a big part of the modern West's problems.

    I don’t find that convincing, here in Europe at least the Christian churches are among the biggest promoters of mass immigration, and from what I’ve read Christian organizations are big in the refugee resettlement business in the US as well.

    For sure the “Christian” churches are a big part of the problem as far as propagandising for and politically manipulating in favour of mass immigration are concerned (iirc, we’ve discussed this before and broadly agreed).

    But that’s because the “Christian” churches (such as the CoE) in the late C20th and early C21st are not meaningfully Christian any more, certainly as far as the hierarchies are concerned. They are just organisations promoting radical leftist dogmas, such as internationalism and normalising sexual deviance, because their hierarchies are stuffed with people who are either ideologically committed to those courses, or benefit personally from them.

    Such people and views were always present in the church hierarchies of course, but were never as dominant as they became in the late C20th, when with declining church status and attendance the Churches were essentially abandoned to them.

  232. @melendwyr
    No, the oldest tradition was that Sodom and Gomorrah violated guest right, a concept that the Middle East has been obsessed with for as long as history has existed.

    Just as the oldest tradition was that Onan was punished for accepting his brother's widow as wife yet refusing to conceive children, which was the point of the exercise. It's a much more recent idea that masturbation was even connected. Yet 'onanism' entered our language as a synonym for self-abuse.

    Christianity is hardly alone in discouraging self-abuse:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_masturbation#Taoism

  233. @Unladen Swallow
    Did you watch any more of that video? He actually sounded like something of a Tory, he mentioned that once our country's govt. did great things like the Manhattan Project, The Interstate Highway System, and the space program. He even said we shouldn't use free market economics to argue against the federal government trying to do things like that. I think he's more of a libertarian leaning conservative than a true libertarian, but so are a lot of people on the right, Charles Murray and Thomas Sowell notably.

    His company, Palantir Technologies is a really interesting case history, he initially funded out of his own pocket and started the company out to help our intelligence and law enforcement agencies and it even received a bit of start up money from the CIA's venture fund ( Although most of the initial capital came from Thiel ) . It now seems to get it's clients from both the Federal Government and Wall Street equally. The company like his friend Elon Musk's companies has been funded both by venture capital and government contracts.

    And like I said before he has mentioned the deindustrialization of the country as something that is bad, not many libertarians or traditional GOP conservatives have done that, nor have they openly supported Trump. Have you read what a lot of libertarians are saying? they are going nuts opposing Trump, and they still think illegal immigration and trade deals with China are awesome. If you want go after some crazy libertarians, take aim at the people like Bryan Caplan, Tyler Cowen and the people who work at Reason magazine not Thiel.

    Thanks for your informative and compelling testimony. I like the cut of your dorsal guided feathers.

  234. @27 year old
    >After watching this TV show that is ostensibly about the news, Nice Liberal Ladies (etc.) will know less about current developments, than if they’d turned to Inside Edition or Mister Ed reruns.

    This is an important point, today's media is not just useless, it's negative value. People are actually less informed about the subject than if they had not watched it at all.

    Or, as Thomas Jefferson put it: “The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.”

  235. @Randal
    I agree with you about Japan, but:

    Claiming that nuclear weapons prevented WWIII is a meaningless statement, because it can’t be proved or disproved. How can we know?
     
    This kind of assertion can be made, by definition, about any counterfactual speculation of sufficient complexity. It's applying a standard of proof appropriate to logic or mathematics, inappropriately, to complex, real world human affairs.

    The reality based upon human history and the highly aggressive natures of the US, Soviet and Chinese regimes is surely that it is almost inconceivable that there would not have been a war between two or more out of the US, China and the Soviet Union since 1945, were it not for nuclear weapons, and the resulting situation whereby the leaders of those countries had to face the reality that they had no way of evading the most dire of consequences for themselves and their families, even if their side were to "win". Imo, that's how the nuclear peace works - for the first time in human history the decision makers on both sides of a potential war know they can't hope to meaningfully win, even if their side is stronger.

    That reality was not present early in the Cold War, and came much later wrt China, but it has been in place for the past half century and more, for sure, as far as the US and the Soviet Union were concerned.

    The fact is that there has never been a war aimed at the conquest of a declared nuclear weapons state, whereas such wars were commonplace before 1945. (Proposed exceptions such as the Falklands War, and the 1973 war against Israel, fail on various counts).

    It’s too soon to test your theory. Give it another century without a major war between nuclear powers and I’ll be convinced.

    • Replies: @Randal
    I suspect the underlying nature of strategic relations will have fundamentally changed again long before 100 years is up. The nuclear peace will have been superceded before you even came to believe in it :-)

    70 years without a major open war between great powers is probably unprecedented in recent human history, and as I noted above the circumstances in the late C20th and early C21st, with two such aggressively expansionist and ideologically motivated powers as the US and Soviet Union competing to spread their ideological and political dominance into each other's spheres of influence plus a recovering power in China, were absolutely tailor-made for another such war. Yet it did not happen.

    But I accept that such theories about large scale human affairs are inherently unprovable in a theoretical sense, and one who is determined to be unconvinced can always remain so.
  236. @BB753
    Ok, we can use these people to win and dump them afterwards. Does this sound better?
    Is it too much to ask for these fellow travelers to accept a little bit of criticism. I was calling out Thiel on his blindness to the fact that he seems to forget that open homosexuality advocacy and gay marriage do not belong either in a normal and sane society.
    I'd rather have Brendan Eich on board than Thiel. Remember, this super duper billionaire has only donated $ 1.25 to Trump. That's chump change for him, like an ordinary guy donating $200. Does Trump or the right really need him? He's not even a good public speaker.
    And for the record, libertarians, gay or straight, are liberals. You young alt-righters should read more and get a real glimpse of the world.

    You young alt-righters should read more and get a real glimpse of the world.

    I’ll work on that.

  237. @Anon
    Not a lot of demand for middle aged white academics in my field. And I push the edge as far as i can in confronting cultural marxism, in the classes where that is appropriate. I also have a class where I can teach r/k theory and invasive species as well as some malthus. Intelligent students can make their own connections after that.

    But yes, I need to work on my escape plan more. 400 acres in the Shenandoah valley, check, some knowledge of how to make a living from that, far to go.

    But you are there. Do what you can. And don’t assume you can ‘change the world’ – that’s not your task. Just a little is so much greater than zero that comparisons don’t work well in this context.

  238. @Corvinus
    "You’re assuming those churches are in any meaningful way faithful to the gospel. They’re not. Many are leading their congregations straight into heresy and calling it God’s will."

    Since the beginning of organized religion, competing groups repeatedly make claims about their ideological counterparts falsely interpreting the word of the Lord. What is considered a "meaningful way" from your perspective?

    "They see themselves as saviors who can redeem the lost masses, and transform them into images of themselves, instead of declaring the gospel to them and leaving the salvation and transformation up to God."

    Religion is about redemption and saving lost souls, as commanded by God Himself.

    Timothy 2:1-5--First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

    that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life

    When you are under vicious, perpetual and relentless attack by liberals (almost all Democrats and virtually all Establishment Republicans) you know that there will be no “supplications, prayers, intercessions” sufficient to stay their bloody-minded assault. The liberals have demanded to be granted unlimited power. And with that power they would consign us all to the Gulag.

    Corvinus, you are an agent of the Gulag. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn will condemn you on Judgement Day.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "When you are under vicious, perpetual and relentless attack by liberals (almost all Democrats and virtually all Establishment Republicans) you know that there will be no “supplications, prayers, intercessions” sufficient to stay their bloody-minded assault."

    First, Establishment Republicans are not "liberal". Each person who characterizes themselves holds a wide range of positions, some of which may be characterized as liberal, but their overall agenda is on the conservative side of the spectrum.

    Second, all Democrats are not "liberal". A simply Google search disproves your assertion.

    Third, in what specific ways are you personally under "vicious, perpetual, and relentless" attack by liberals?

    "The liberals have demanded to be granted unlimited power. And with that power they would consign us all to the Gulag."

    People demand to be granted unlimited power, which includes those who are liberal and conservative. Moreover, you are going to have to do much better than make a blanket statement regarding the intention of throwing other than liberals in the Gulag. Sounds like you spook easily.

    "Corvinus, you are an agent of the Gulag. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn will condemn you on Judgement Day."

    This is pure comedy gold, compliments of the Coalition of the Right Fringe group. Thanks for the Friday laugh, I really needed it.


    Okay, so you don’t think you are always right (otherwise that ‘scent’ would be on you). Please provide five instances where you thought you were right but you were wrong.

    (BTW, I already have my five, so I’ll be happy to respond in kind.)
  239. @Corvinus
    "Ah, the judgemental Corvinus, with a righteous perch from which to judge, virtuously judges while jealously guarding the precept that “judge not, lest ye be judged”"

    Awkward that you make this claim, since your own statements wreak with a "I'm right, you're always wrong" scent.

    Awkward that you make this claim, since your own statements wreak with a “I’m right, you’re always wrong” scent.

    Okay, so you don’t think you are always right (otherwise that ‘scent’ would be on you). Please provide five instances where you thought you were right but you were wrong.

    (BTW, I already have my five, so I’ll be happy to respond in kind.)

  240. @BB753
    It's too soon to test your theory. Give it another century without a major war between nuclear powers and I'll be convinced.

    I suspect the underlying nature of strategic relations will have fundamentally changed again long before 100 years is up. The nuclear peace will have been superceded before you even came to believe in it :-)

    70 years without a major open war between great powers is probably unprecedented in recent human history, and as I noted above the circumstances in the late C20th and early C21st, with two such aggressively expansionist and ideologically motivated powers as the US and Soviet Union competing to spread their ideological and political dominance into each other’s spheres of influence plus a recovering power in China, were absolutely tailor-made for another such war. Yet it did not happen.

    But I accept that such theories about large scale human affairs are inherently unprovable in a theoretical sense, and one who is determined to be unconvinced can always remain so.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    Thanks to the EU for making peace and NATO for deterring war.
  241. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life
     
    When you are under vicious, perpetual and relentless attack by liberals (almost all Democrats and virtually all Establishment Republicans) you know that there will be no "supplications, prayers, intercessions" sufficient to stay their bloody-minded assault. The liberals have demanded to be granted unlimited power. And with that power they would consign us all to the Gulag.

    Corvinus, you are an agent of the Gulag. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn will condemn you on Judgement Day.

    “When you are under vicious, perpetual and relentless attack by liberals (almost all Democrats and virtually all Establishment Republicans) you know that there will be no “supplications, prayers, intercessions” sufficient to stay their bloody-minded assault.”

    First, Establishment Republicans are not “liberal”. Each person who characterizes themselves holds a wide range of positions, some of which may be characterized as liberal, but their overall agenda is on the conservative side of the spectrum.

    Second, all Democrats are not “liberal”. A simply Google search disproves your assertion.

    Third, in what specific ways are you personally under “vicious, perpetual, and relentless” attack by liberals?

    “The liberals have demanded to be granted unlimited power. And with that power they would consign us all to the Gulag.”

    People demand to be granted unlimited power, which includes those who are liberal and conservative. Moreover, you are going to have to do much better than make a blanket statement regarding the intention of throwing other than liberals in the Gulag. Sounds like you spook easily.

    “Corvinus, you are an agent of the Gulag. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn will condemn you on Judgement Day.”

    This is pure comedy gold, compliments of the Coalition of the Right Fringe group. Thanks for the Friday laugh, I really needed it.

    Okay, so you don’t think you are always right (otherwise that ‘scent’ would be on you). Please provide five instances where you thought you were right but you were wrong.

    (BTW, I already have my five, so I’ll be happy to respond in kind.)

  242. @Randal
    I suspect the underlying nature of strategic relations will have fundamentally changed again long before 100 years is up. The nuclear peace will have been superceded before you even came to believe in it :-)

    70 years without a major open war between great powers is probably unprecedented in recent human history, and as I noted above the circumstances in the late C20th and early C21st, with two such aggressively expansionist and ideologically motivated powers as the US and Soviet Union competing to spread their ideological and political dominance into each other's spheres of influence plus a recovering power in China, were absolutely tailor-made for another such war. Yet it did not happen.

    But I accept that such theories about large scale human affairs are inherently unprovable in a theoretical sense, and one who is determined to be unconvinced can always remain so.

    Thanks to the EU for making peace and NATO for deterring war.

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