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Is anybody ever embarrassed by this kind of rhetoric?

What’s the history of this “not who we are” cliche that has recently parasitized the brains of The Respectable? I only noticed it a few years ago.

Okay, the first time “not who we are” shows up on iSteve is way back in 2008 in an Obama speech on education or something:

This kind of America is morally unacceptable for our children. It’s economically untenable for our future. And it’s not who we are as a nation.

So, it’s an Obamaism. But “not who we are” didn’t appear on iSteve again until late 2015. It’s shown up 22 times since then. In the current year, saying “not who we are” is who we are.

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  1. It’s an Obamanation.

  2. Nancy Pelosi is one of the most hideous humans that has ever lived. She and here fellow Democrats voted for wall:

    The opinion piece is from the Post but is carried here too.

    I guess it wasn’t who she was back then. I don’t understand why the stupid Repubs don’t use this stuff…they are worthless. The Democrats would rather see a complete destruction of America with millions upon millions of illegals coming from the South. They care only for power from morons who will destroy Western Civilization. This tells you how insane they have become. Get ready this is not going away.

  3. Main thing here is that nobody can do anything.
    Republican party is doomed.
    Wall will never be built, I am 100 percent sure.
    America will change in many different ways and Conservatives can’t do anything about it. It hardly matters, Legal Immigration alone is enough to ensure that Whites become a Minority. Interracial relationships are increasing every single day. Just go out for a walk in a Mall or a Park and you will notice that.
    Accept it and calling me Tiny Duck and other nonsense would not work. It hardly matters, I state the facts that Disturb you.
    Alt Right will most probably be prosecuted in a few decades.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  4. A minefield would work even better than a wall, and not spoil the views either. Unless caravaners take to kidnapping children and using them to detonate our mines.

  5. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:

    OT, rising female esports star hoax. Pretty amusing.

    Is male dominance in pro gaming largely nature over nurture? What’s the EvoPsych explanation?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @kihowi
    , @Kyle
    , @J.Ross
  6. istevefan says:

    If the guys who wrote the Naturalization Act of 1790 could be brought back to 2019, they would conclude “that’s not who we are”.

    Seriously, I don’t think you would have to go that far back to find a period of American history where if the residents of that time could see us today, they would conclude “that’s not who we are.” Most definitely any period pre-1970. In many parts of the USA showing someone from 1995 what we are today would engender the not-who-we-are observation.

    • Replies: @Corn
  7. @International Jew

    “Unless” is exactly what they’d do, too. They know from nothing
    if not from optics, honey.

    Besides, I don’t want innocent (four-legged) animals getting blown to bits.

  8. eah says:

    What’s her opinion about abortion?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  9. Hail says: • Website

    What’s the history of this “not who we are” cliche that has parasitized the brains of The Respectable?

    This came up in an iSteve thread thirteen months ago, Dec. 2017 (Explaining “That’s Not Who We Are”). To expand on what I wrote at that time,

    (TLDR: I think the origin is with a Nov. 2014 Obama Oval Office address.)

    A googling for “Who We Are” reveals overwhelmingly mid-late 2010s results, essentially all from the Clinton/Obama Left, and (as of Dec. 2017) a few top results from Paul Ryan (a figure now in retirement until his appointment as Ambassador to Ireland set for 2030, the gears of which he greased in a final maneuver before he left office). The only other result not from the U.S. Left or Weakling-Right is a documentary about Syrian refugees in Lebanon from 2013, which seems unlikely to have influenced U.S. political lexicon.

    ‘Hits’ for the phrase before 2015 are pretty thin on the ground. Here is one of the few pre-2015 appearances, a Dec. 2014 op-ed somebody wrote in a Fort Myers, Florida local newspaper against the phrase:

    “That’s not who we are” is an annoying phrase. It’s time to drop it for good.

    I was familiar with this expression, of course, but never read and heard it so frequently as in the past decade. It’s self-serving, pious and doesn’t require an offer of proof.

    To me, “(Not) Who Are Are” is a phrase of the 2010s, but here we have someone seemingly claiming he’d been hearing it often from the mid-2000s.

    The op-ed in the Florida paper, though, appeared just a few weeks after a major Obama televised address in which he used the phrase, maybe for the first time in its current political connotation, or if not for the first time then at least greatly amplifying it and solidifying it as a left-wing shut-down-the-bigots Go To.

    The televised address from the Oval Office was on the unaccompanied minors mini migrant crisis; 8 PM Eastern, Nov. 20, 2014:

    Barack Obama: [….] But even as we focus on deporting criminals, the fact is, millions of immigrants in every state, of every race and nationality still live here illegally. And let’s be honest -– tracking down, rounding up, and deporting millions of people isn’t realistic. Anyone who suggests otherwise isn’t being straight with you. It’s also not who we are as Americans. After all, most of these immigrants have been here a long time. They work hard [….]

    I cannot find any slam-dunk use of this phrase, in its now-familiar political connotation, earlier than Obama’s pre-Thanksgiving 2014 Oval Office address, so that looks to me a likely origin point.

    Cf. an earlier “who we are” appearance in the GoogleBooks archive: a House floor speech from 2007. Reading it, one senses something getting close to its present-day political connotation, but not there yet, which is to say not racialized yet.

    Congressman Paul Hodes, speaking on October 10, 2007:

    We need the people of this country to step up and speak to their representatives and say this veto must not stand. It’s not right for America. It’s not who we are. It’s not the moral thing. It’s not the right thing to do monetarily.

    A search of the Congressional Record for those 15 days in October 2007 reveals the phrase “who we are” came up six times but only this one instance even approaches the present political connotation.

    If you do searches for “(not) who we are” and variants in GoogleBooks with dates, set to, say, 1/1/1990 to 11/19/2014 (the day before the Obama Oval Office address hectoring Americans to embrace illegal immigrants), you’ll see plenty of uses but of this kind:

    “Being a Christian is not who we are on the outside, but who we are on the inside.” / (From Bible Advocate, a regular periodical of the “Church of God (7th Day),” 1994).

    but nothing that turns up from the 1990s or 2000s even approaches the mid-late 2010s’ scolding political connotation of “Who We Are.”


    Can anyone find an appearance of “Who We Are,” used as we now recognize it, earlier than Obama’s Nov. 2014 Oval Office address?

  10. Is a dowel an immorality? Nancy’s lips are just asking for a 1 1/2″ or 2″. Preferably with wood glue.

    • Agree: reactionry
    • Replies: @reactionry
  11. Hail says: • Website

    Okay, the first time “not who we are” shows up on iSteve is way back in 2008 in an Obama speech on education or something:

    This kind of America is morally unacceptable for our children. It’s economically untenable for our future. And it’s not who we are as a nation.

    The Not Who We Are there was a likely-unnoticed line in the middle of an obscure, Candidate Obama speech in Thornton, CO, in May 2008 (Hillary had not yet conceded by May), and does not carry the scolding racial undertones it recognizably does now.

    Signs point to the Nov. 20, 2014 primetime-televised pro-illegal-immigration speech as the most likely “birth date” for Who We Are carrying today’s recognizable political connotation; It may have wormed its way into U.S. political lexicon in the months that followed, and by mid-2015 found eager users in the anti-Trump monolith (Paul Ryan).

    (Note: Obama’s pro-illegal-immigration speech was in the White House’s Cross Hall, not the Oval Office).

    • Agree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  12. It’s an unused line from an early draft of Emma Lazarus’ famous poem.

  13. I can’t believe this made the News. That’s not Huey are.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Hypnotoad666
  14. Lot says:

    I don’t see the difference between Obama 2014 and Hodes 2007.

    The letter-writer is correct, the phrase predates Obama by quite some time, he just used it really often as a verbal tic, like saying “folks” constantly.

    Kerry in 2004:

    “an overreach by the government that has a chilling effect on the First Amendment or that seeks to have a kind of censorship of some kind. That’s not who we are as Americans, and I’m not going down that road.”

    Wesley Clark in 2003:

    “I am proud to be here with you today, and I’m proud to be a member of a party that, like America, was founded on the ideals of inclusion and equal opportunity. Not only in the way we look, but in the way we think. And that’s why I’m running a campaign where everyone is welcome. Not just Democrats, but Independents, Republicans, and those who have never before participated. Because if our party is exclusive — if we close our doors to a single American who wants to come in, then we’re no better than the other guys. And we’re going to have another four long years on the outside.

    But that’s not who we are.”

    • Replies: @Hail
  15. Gman says:

    Perhaps it’s a response to Huntington’s book

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. Lot says:

    “Not who we are” is a varient of a mother’s scold: “You’re better than that” and “You know better than that.”

    One reason that “Make America Great Again” is effective is it recognizes our national decline: declining life expectancy, declining opportunities, rotten mass culture, declining population of the core ethnicity, declining real wages.

    “Not who we are”=”We’re better than that”=”We are still strong and rich enough to take on millions of illiterate third world charity cases.”

    No, we are not that strong and rich anymore.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Marat
  17. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    In England, this particular usage is known as the ‘Royal’ we.

  18. What fo you mean we, Living Dead Woman?

  19. Nancy Pelosi has a surprisingly unprofessional and actually quite annoying way of using her hands while speaking. I am quite astonished that she way able to reach her position with this habit.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  20. Yuh know, Sunshine – – – it’s not who we are, right at this particular moment in time, BUT WHAT WE ARE BECOMING!

  21. @Hail

    Rule of thumb: the more alien and hostile the matter is that is being pushed, the harder the Not Who We Are gaslighting has to burn.

    • Agree: bomag, clyde, Hail
  22. @Erik Sieven

    Is Pelosi trying to hypnotize us? But it’s really not very calming. Does she always do that?

    I don’t watch TV much so I’m really not familiar with the mannerisms of famous politicians in the news. And most public figures are so old these days that it seems like poor return on investment to spend time learning them to make jokes about them. For example, I’ve resisted going to see all the Ruth Bader Ginsburg hagiography lately because, you know, is there long going to be a market for hot takes on RBG’s latest doings in the future?

    I’ve actually had a five minute conversation with Jerry Brown, so maybe if he’s elected President in 2020 I can get some mileage out of my observations of him.

  23. @niteranger

    “Nancy Pelosi is one of the most hideous humans that has ever lived.”

    And that’s with facelifts, chemical peels, etc. If she were more self-aware, she would stop waving her gnarled, cosmetic surgery-immune hands in front of the camera. It reminds us Who She Is: not the plastic creature her surgery team has made her appear to be.

    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
  24. El Dato says:

    It would be a good Cylon Motto for Battlestar Galactica, the Reboot:

    “Sorry Gaius, but … That’s Not Who We Are


  25. Anon[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    A minefield would work even better than a wall, and not spoil the views either. Unless caravaners take to kidnapping children and using them to detonate our mines.

    The reason why I think a good, high, solid wall, maybe a double wall with a road in between, is good for border areas easily accessible from roads and urban areas on the Mexican side is that the migrants understand our media now, and they know that if they run as a mass across the border or over fences, they outnumber the border patrol or military, and they win. This is because the enforcers cannot shoot them. A big wall starts to require tunneling, not practical for refugees (only for drug dealers) or ladders or climbing equipment or ladders of an industrial scale not practical for refugees, only usable by young men, not kids and women, and too embarassing for the Mexican authorities to permit. A see-though thing seems like it gives too much intelligence to migrants on where the border patrol is and what they’re doing, moment by moment.

    Outside of these areas fences, Israeli-style systems, or simple monitoring may be enough for now. As programmers say, “The simplest thing that works.” But of course, tactics change, and the party in power changes, so maybe you need to shoot for a little more than you need now.

  26. Anon[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals:

    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

    There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

    I think the idea for the right is that the right has an unhip image. The alt-right led on this, but making the opposition look ridiculous kind of flips the cool factor to your side.

  27. JimB says:

    This locution demonstrates the verbal clumsiness of Obama. “It is not who we are as a nation” is equivalent to the compound statement “We are not it, and we are a nation.” Trivially we are not an it. Moreover, we are a Motel Six, as Steve says, not a nation.

  28. Well, give her—or her support staff—credit for reading their critics such as here. She has stopped using the self-contradictory it-won’t-work-therefore-we-musn’t-try-it line. Now it’s all Not Who We Are, which she uses both as a metaphysical (“wall between reality and his supporters”) and moral (“wall is an immorality”) cudgel to try to bludgeon her way to rhetorical victory.

    “It’s an old way of thinking.” This is Year Zero comrades! Join the Revolution or die! In any case, definitely don’t check any of our prior positions on this.

    By the way, who is her person of melanin stage prop in the background? By beaming beneficently on Pelosi’s project to dis-employ his co-racialists he lends moral approval, before he gets bored with the proceedings and wanders off. Audacious Epigone demonstrated that blacks cheerfully vote to import lower wage scabs to dis-employ themselves, so here we can see the political staging facilitate this. I wonder if the Democrat plantation owners tell their Negro bondsmen how to appear, or if they just do it automatically and willingly.

  29. @eah

    Lol, good question.

    “Sorry fetus, you’re Not Who We Are.” Cue vacuum sound.

    • LOL: Corn
    • Replies: @Anon
  30. scumbag says:

    Nancy is very pro-wall.

    Her grandchildren will be private-schooled- walled off from diversity.
    Nancy and her family no doubt live in a gated community in an exclusive township, dually walling them off from non-wealthy folk.
    You think Nancy shops and socializes in non-exclusive areas? Nah, me either.

    Walls (lots of em’) for me, but not for thee.

  31. hhsiii says:

    It’s a flip of an old ad campaign. I forget the company. Some conglomerate. Stentorian voice over images of refineries and factory floors, families enjoying some plastic product: “This is who we are and what we do at…” I forget. Monsanto? GE? Allis-Chalmers? The last one actually went “The world needs more of what Allis-Chalmers makes.” Apparently not.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @bomag
  32. @niteranger

    The Democrats would rather see a complete destruction of America with millions upon millions of illegals coming from the South.

    There’d be a helluva lotta jobs for managers in such a “society”.

  33. Ty Rade says:

    Could be a throw back, warped in translation, to Samuel P Huntington’s last book in 2004, ‘Who are we?’ In which he mapped the void that is being left by the overthrow of the dominant white-anglosaxon glue that has held America together thus far. I’d suggest there is no ‘we’ in ‘it’s not who we are’ at all; and that’s the trouble.

  34. Time saving heuristics/mnemonics: “It’s Not Who We Are as a Nation”. “Who we” is pronounced “hooey”. When you hear that, followed by “R”, disregard the rest of the sentence. The full sentence will mean”You are what I say you are”, which isn’t worth listening to. You might want to remember the person’s face and go on low alert if you see it again, as he (or she) is clearly not a friend.


  35. Coag says:

    Saying “This is not who we are” aims to push emotional buttons of shame and guilt, and as a meme is simple, memorable, and infectious. Trump, and all nationalists, should therefore appropriate it and use the phrase incessantly, just like how he appropriated the term “fake news”.

    Leaving our front yard wide open and our loved ones undefended from drug smuggling and migrant caravans? That is not who we are.

    Allowing illegal immigrants to undercut our fellow American citizens’ wages and livelihoods? That is not who we are as a nation.

    Giving lavish attention and prizes to illegal immigrants while neglecting the well-being of our suffering urban and rural areas? That is not who we are.

  36. Clyde says:

    Let’s give 78 year old SanFranNan credit for a few minutes of letting it all hang out. Best watched with the sound off. Non scripted, no teleprompter.
    I thought Hussein-O had a patent on, “That’s not who we are”.
    How many hairdressers and the like does she have on her Congressional payroll?

  37. Dtbb says:

    A zebra named Barack is at the Pearly Gates. St. Peter welcomes him and Barack asks “Am I white with black stripes or black with white stripes?” St. Peter tells him he will have to ask God.
    A week later St. Peter sees Barack walking jauntingly smiling from ear to ear. St. Peter asks “What did you find out?” Barack answers “God told me I am white with black stripes” grinning. “What did he say?” asked St. Peter. He said “YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE”.
    St. Peter gets a puzzled look and says “How does that prove you are white with black stripes?” Barack answered “If I were black with white stripes He would have said ‘YOU IS WHAT YOU IS’”.

  38. TTSSYF says:

    No doubt its resurgence in late 2015 was because of Trump. It is a most annoying, sanctimonious, infuriating phrase, particularly when used by Obama to put all of us into whatever self-defined moral box he happened to be pushing at the moment and impugn the motives of anyone who disagreed with him.

  39. Tulip says:

    Which nation was she referring to?

  40. Bill B. says:


    I’ve had a nagging feeling that I have seen Jeff Besos’s new inamorata before.

    Now I remember – Jar Jar Binks.

    But more expensive, obviously.

  41. @Almost Missouri

    “And that’s with facelifts, chemical peels, etc.”

    I watched her the other day on TV without the sound — the only thing that moves on her frozen face when she talks is her mouth, and it looks very weird, I think its because nothing else on that chemical-surgery retooled mug can budge. She sort of looks like a dummy being operated by a ventriloquist, except the ventriloquist would present a more coherent spiel.

  42. My first observation is that it immigration control is a part of who we are and what makes us a nation as the first immigration restrictions were established withing the first years of the nation’s founding and it was practiced even before the revolution. So, her refrain in this regard is false. Effective population management is exactly who we are are and the current ineffective fence (wall) indicates as much.

    My second observation will not be appreciated here, however, I first read this phrase as far back as the early 1990’s, concerning an episode in the life of Paul Robeson. He was holding a concert in the Catskills or Poughkepski and there was a violent protest. Some Naval officer or enlisted man weighed in with,

    “That’s not who we are.” (1950’s)

    His position was that US citizens should not engage in denying other citizens the right to sing in said concert hall. He was roundly beaten up. Yet his position was correct, the country was not intended to deny others their rights.

    But that is a far cry and completely different than preventing people from violating the sovereignty of the US by avoiding due process of entry. I find it very strange that anyone advocates for people breaking the law in order to undermine the opportunities and benefits of US citizens. Which in my view reflects the appropriate views of that Navy representative. We should not be engaging in the support unlawful activities to undermine our fellow citizens, regardless how much we disapprove.

    immigration enforcement is exactly a part of who we are and should be.

    I still maintain that all immigration be curtailed entirely, until we get our policy cleaned up.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosie
    , @ben tillman
  43. The Democrats have concluded that the way to power is not with the dictatorship of the proletariat but with the dictatorship of pronouns. Isuses of “he” “she” “we” are now or will be crimes.


  44. “One must put up barriers to keep one’s self intact.”

    -Neil Peart, Rush.

  45. kihowi says:

    I’m getting the feeling you haven’t lived around dumb people a lot. You can’t possible overestimate dumb people’s appetite for meaningless catch phrases. They love them! Every time you think that after years of hearing the same thing repeated to them they’d get tired of it, you’re wrong and they could go another decade easily. And every time feels like the first time.

    Until some high-iq comedians make fun of it on tv and everybody realizes that they knew they were catch phrases all along and were actually making fun of them themselves, now they think about it.

    Unlike, of course, the new catch phrases that are so transcendentally profound that discussing what they could possibly mean instead of just nodding your head in awed silence is a sign there’s something wrong with you.

    • Agree: jim jones
  46. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s also “not our kind” and “we don’t do that” “ not our way “ “it’s just not done”

    • Replies: @sayless
  47. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    If Democrats ever realize that Hispanics and blacks are the majority of aborted babies they will re criminalize it in a minute.

    Difference between a White cuckservative and a White Nationalist.

    White Nationslists worry that their own White children will be denied jobs and benefits because they are White and blacks and browns are entitled to affirmative action by law.

    White cuckservatives are morons who want to bring even more blacks and browns into the world so there will be more affirmative action beneficiaries to discriminate against Whites.

    To be anti abortion is to be anti White.

    I only hope that you and your children are discriminated against by the blacks and browns you love so much.

    Pelosi is viciously anti White. And you’re worried about her position on abortion.

    I don’t understand why anyone who is against the flood of brown Hispanic immigrants wants them to pop out more and more affirmative action beneficiaries as soon as they get over the border

    • Replies: @IC8
    , @Almost Missouri
  48. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Jerry Brown trivia he wet his bed every night till he was 17 years old.

    Source his sister Cynthia.

    • Replies: @fish
  49. @hhsiii

    Or may from Cheers ca. 1986 …

    Can’t find the video but, the episode epilogue went like:

    For I am a healer, that is what I do.

    And WE are PANTSERS…

    THAT is what WE do.

    [Frasier runs]

    Credits roll.

    So who will be Pantsers to the Dems’ Healers?

  50. Nancy Pelosi:”It’s a immoral to have a White Majority in America it’s not who we are as a Nation!!!!…..It is racist to have a White Majority…..people who want a White Majority are Racist!!!!….Racists are NAZIS!!!!”……

    I think this where we are at now in the US……this is basically what Nancy Pelosi is saying……And when you accuse someone of being a racist in the US….you are effectively issuing a violent threat……

    Why is it immoral for Native Born White Americans to be a Racial Majority in America?

  51. @niteranger

    What about the Nonwhite Legal Immigrants such as Officer Ronit Singh and his Family? Is it ok with you for Sihk Legal Immigrants to come to America and vote Whitey into a White Racial Foreigner and White Racial Minority within the borders of California?

  52. Ed says:

    The hits keep coming for the Dems and the media:

  53. Clyde says:

    This California wacko has had oodles of plastique surgery, and by the best.

    • Replies: @fish
  54. bomag says:

    “The world needs more of what Allis-Chalmers makes.” Apparently not.


    Remnants of Allis-Chalmers live on inside AGCO corporation.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  55. Corn says:

    I was 15 in 1995. If you told me then that before I was 40 that gays would be allowed to marry and single individuals would expect to be adddressed as “they” I would have thought you were writing a scifi novel.

  56. Arclight says:

    Off topic, but Kevin Drum over at Mother Jones takes the time to notice some useful information on the reported victims and perpetrators of hate crimes:

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  57. @Hail

    This percolates up through entertainment culture as well. The uber-politically-correct DC suite of superhero TV series (Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow) used this phrase and variants (“That’s not who I am!”) so often it could be a drinking game. Arrow is the oldest, and debuted in 2012. I assume they’re still doing it — had to quit them because the pernicious propaganda just became too hard to ignore.

    It’s almost as if the talking points are coordinated….

    • Replies: @kihowi
    , @Hail
  58. Iberiano says:

    I have always associated the phrase “that’s not who we are” and all it’s close cousins (e.g. “we’re better than that”) to Obama in the national-political realm, but having grown up around liberals as a Gen-Xr’ the underlying substance of the phrase has been around forever. It’s the snooty liberal staring down at you over the top of their reading glasses talking about ‘adults in the room’, and “it’s time for the grown ups to ______” whatever. All of these types of phrases are the words of conceit, and shaming–particularly high trust European-originated peoples.

    Obama, having grown up and spending his early formative adult years around “high minded” whites, simply mastered the oratory pen stroke of appealing to white peoples “better angels” (another for you, from Lincoln), knowing the psychological effect it has on whites to be “good huWhites”, to go back and debate their goodness, efforts and shame with family at Thanksgiving dinner…to basically build a consensus that white people need to do something for some other out-group.

    Notice such phrases, at least as directed, are never said to minorities in majority-minority speeches, you will only hear it directed to whites, or about whites (“Americans” serving in place of the word “whites” where needed, and where clearly understood by the listening group to mean “white people”).

    The “Border language” follows a similar pattern, in which high trust whites are shamed into thinking “we aren’t about walls”…”are walls going to define us?” “we need to break down the walls“….Phrases that sound more like marriage counseling, and feminism than national policy.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  59. Not Who We Are is like The Wrong Side Of History cliche – another Obama catchphrase. It places the speaker in the side of the angels, looking down from their Ebony and Ivory tower.

  60. @Arclight

    Oh, man, the comments section for that. Once you get past the people who don’t understand “per capita” (apparently a very high barrier), you get to the actively delusional:

    “It still gives the impression that blacks as a group are more hateful and violent than whites, and that just doesn’t square with my experience of the U.S.”

    • Replies: @Svigor
  61. How about “just looking for a better life” / “searching for a better life” / “seeking a better life” ? I’ve read that one so often I think it must be in a federal immigration regulation or administrative law opinion somewhere.

    It’s an empty phrase in the immigration context – everyone on the planet from Salma Hayek to a Mauritanian slave is looking for “a better life” – but it’s repeated as if we’re all supposed to stand down and let you in if you’re “looking for a better life.”

  62. Thirdtwin says:

    Is “…out of an abundance of caution…” an Obama Era coinage, or did it come out of Bush Era DHS? I hate all of their catchphrases.

    • Replies: @Lot
  63. San Fran Nan: “The Wall is an immorality!”

    Oh, for the days when Left-wingers shrieked “Who are you to impose your morality on me?!” at every opportunity.

    It was one of their metastasizing cliches that used to be everywhere. When did that one fall out of use?

  64. Ibound1 says:

    Who they are not, are Americans.

  65. ON-TOPIC: Trump is majorly cucking out on the immigration front. He wants more H-1b workers and a path of citizenship for them.

    On the other hand, cucking may not be the proper term, since this probably was Trump’s actual position all along. As many of us suspected (or rather, knew in the back of our minds) Trump is quite prepared to trade some sort of amnesty or citizenship in exchange for his highly optical wall and is only using the government shutdown as a gambit in one, big Art of the Deal.

    This shows that he never really understood what the wall was for or why it was desirable, or that it should be part of a comprehensive immigration moratorium with multiple means of enforcement. Skilled immigrants are even worse than unskilled immigrants. Even though their “skills” are often dubious, they belong to the higher classes in their home countries and are better positioned to exploit the American system with their sophistication and connections abroad. Also, they give the globalist megacorps the excuse they need to depress wages for American workers. They are a bad deal all around.

    Trump is a jackass and I find it increasingly difficult to care, even for the country’s sake, what the hell happens to him in 2020.

    • Agree: densa
  66. MarcB. says:

    I noticed a trend among post-modern leftists that emerged during the Obama era towards behaving in an uppity manner that would have earned WASPs a mocking by the riff-raff in the previous century. Much of the journalistic animus against President Trump went along lines of “right-thinking people would never support this ____, would we?” instead of providing much in the way of reasoned discourse.

  67. Red Solo Cup Guy is a stick in the mud who doesn’t have a clue about how much fun it is to accuse some other bastards of being IMMORAL.

    Accusing others of being IMMORAL is great fun and it is good exercise — you will burn at least 400 calories an hour by vehemently accusing others of being IMMORAL.

    Lose weight, have fun — what’s not to like?

    The GOP Cheap Labor Faction wants a plentiful supply of illegal alien invaders and they don’t want a wall and they don’t want any illegal alien invaders deported.

    The GOP Cheap Labor Faction members are a bunch of money-grubbing, IMMORAL bastards.

    Tweet from 2014:

  68. Anon[210] • Disclaimer says:

    Seems to begin in 2013:

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    , @res
  69. anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, maybe we need separate nations then.

  70. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    This is interesting – Census data for 2017 shows total fertility rate for non-Hispanic black women in Maine at……just over 4.

    That’s about 20% higher than the TFR for any demographic in any other state.

    • Replies: @Anon
  71. Steve,

    Yeah yeah not who we are and all that happy crap. BUT… here is a question that renders a chill down your spine.

    Pelosi has flipped from the notion that the wall is a waste of money to saying that it is immoral, inhumane etc.

    So–have the Democrats officially concluded that mass immigration is such a winner for them that they don’t even have to pretend to be for any sort of border control or immigration laws?
    Is the math now so far weighted in their favor that they can move to the logical conclusion of their position that we can eliminate any immigration system whatsoever?

    That is far more scary than Nancy Pelosi. Hopefully that POS will stroke out one day soon. Sorry for the last hate speech, but it is for the good of the country.

  72. @Erik Sieven

    Has she always had a speech impediment, or is that just being old/plastic surgery not allowing her to talk right?

  73. Pat Boyle says:
    @International Jew

    I don’t approve of shooting those who try to climb the Wall. Although I’m pretty sure that that is where continued pressure from would be illegal immigrants must lead. It is a shame that we are probably heading towards a real Berlin Wall style barrier. That is one with a dead man’s zone, and armed guards. Such a barrier is incompatible with most American’s self image.

    Nancy Pelosi is almost right. It’s not who would wish to be, but alas it looks like that’s who we will inevitably become. If population rises so will exclusionary Walls.

    The Democrat’s opposition to the Wall is just a short term attempt to jigger the demographics to favor their party. They cannot succeed in this immoral effort in the long run. In that longer run the inexorable breeding of poor people will sweep all before it. In the near future as the over population crisis becomes clear Donald Trump will be be canonized as the one man who had vision.

    Europe is now turning towards a Wall type mentality too. They are beginning to appreciate that Africa is a failed continent. It is still possible to “do good” in Africa. You can drill wells for example and you can provide medical care. But soon it will become clear that in an environment of over population those good deeds only make things worse. If Steve is right about the African population explosion – and there is every reason to think he is – then we will soon realize that we need to put a kind of Wall around all of Africa.

    There is already a wall around Haiti. It’s just a barrier without a physical wall. The borders of the Dominican Republic are enforced with guns. Eventually all exclusionary walls must be supplemented with machine guns if the population pressure goes unchecked.

    There are the minor races and there are the great continental races: The Europeans, the Asians, the Amerindians, and the African blacks. For the last century or two we in the West have tried to harmonize these races. But that great effort seems to be ending. All the efforts to civilized blacks have failed except interbreeding. The only way we have been able to advance blacks in any numbers has been to blend them genetically with whites. Left unalloyed with European Caucasian genes, black people have proven to be corrosive. Allow too many pure blacks in one area and you get something like Detroit or Haiti. So if blacks threaten to erupt into Europe they too must build a Wall.

    Steve has in effect seen a Wall much bigger than Mr. Trump’s modest one across our southern border. We will need to encapsulate the whole African continent. Since Africa is mostly surrounded by water the Wall there will probably be in the form of naval blockades and mine fields not cement and steel land barriers. But it too will have machine guns.

    There is another solution to population pressure although many will find it even less appealing. We could just balance the rising birth rate with a rise in the death rate. Some kind of “designer bug” like Ebola/smallpox could drop the African population down to manageable levels. If population gets out of hand in Africa and Latin America this is an almost inevitable result. But I hope we could avoid all that and some Walls of various kinds would buy us enough time to effectuate milder remedies.

  74. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, it must be called Immigration-Invasion.

  75. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ll bet Mexico wished it had a wall against Anglo-American expansionists in the 19th century.

    It’s telling that globalism says the aggressive side is moral, the defensive side is immoral.

    So, Assad is Syria is immoral and ‘must go’ because he’s for defending Syrian borders against foreign Jihadis, Zionist-controlled US military, and Israeli air attacks. But the Deep State militarist goons are MORAL for having barged into Syria and remaining there illegally. As ‘dreamer imperialists’ or ‘dreamperialists’?

    Like Trump is immoral and ‘must go'(or be impeached) because he’s for defending US borders and departing from Syria. So, US securing its borders is immoral but US illegally trespassing into another nation is a moral necessity.

    Defense from invasion, military or demographic: Immoral

    Offensive invasion, military or demographic: Moral (at least if done by US, Israel, and non-white hordes prized as Diversity Mercenaries or Diversinaries by the Glob.

    Looking back, maybe Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait should now be celebrated. It was about open borders. How dare Kuwait have a borderline against Iraq? But, he was hated by Jewish Power, so I guess THAT was immoral. It’s like Israeli invasion of West Bank is moral, but Palestinians hoping to return to Palestine/Israel is immoral.

    The Power gets to call the shots. It’s gangster-fascism.

  76. In an odd sort of way, the political power of individual Democratic white congressmen will grow even as their numbers diminish. They will also become more niche or specialize in terms of what they bring to the party. Like Pelosi, they can launder money from other (((whites))) who would prefer to keep a lower profile. The way the Democratic coalition is constructed they cannot afford to lose a single identity group and win so there is always this balancing act going on. Whites, being potentially the only swing votes will have an upper hand when dealing with the rest of the rabble.They will also help put a softer feminine / feminist face on the party which will be helpful as the uncouth gain a critical mass and reveal how ugly they really are.

  77. CornCod1 says:

    Well, I guess “who we are” is a a bunch of Neo-Marxist scumbags.

  78. @Steve Sailer

    Sailer on the media and pop culture and mannerisms of politicians?

    What did you think of the 2 page spread in the New York Times pushing The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel TV show?

    How about doing a blog post on Trump’s Tweet pushing to ramp up the number of foreign workers in the USA by increasing the H-1B visa scam?

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg should be allowed to retire. The immoral Democrat Party ruling class must be pressuring her to hold out on retiring until Trump is gone.

    Will Steve Sailer go to Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s retirement dinner at Trump Tower if he’s invited?

  79. @Pat Boyle

    “hey are beginning to appreciate that Africa is a failed continent. ”

    Nonsense. A failed colonial project perhaps.

    As for your commentary about who we wish to be. Again nonsense — notice the current barrier —- there’s a reason it was created as ineffective as it may be.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  80. @Pat Boyle

    The liberal society must inevitably resort to illiberal measures if it wants to maintain its fundamentally liberal character.

  81. lhtness says:

    In some ways, “Not who we are” is similar to “Un-American”, except without actually saying the “America” part.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  82. Whiskey says: • Website

    The future is most likely every White person on the planet enserfed to support an ever growing non White population.

    Blacks benefit from open borders because it gets Whitey.

    Call it the Wrath of Khan strategy.

    White women benefit as single mothers with plenty of non Whites to mind and babysit and “advocate” for. Plus it harms most White men making spit the Alpha very easy instead of hard as it is now.

    Hurting White men is the self interest short term of both Blacks and White women. No more nerdy White dudes asking for coffee dates in elevators. Ruin of a nation is a small price to pay to assuage female fury.

  83. Samatha Bee is correct. Whites are worthy of extermination and thankfully will be replaced.

  84. @niteranger

    I don’t understand why the stupid Repubs don’t use this stuff

    Trump has been tweeting about top Dems’ past support for a wall and Limbaugh and Hannity have strung together recordings of Schumer, Pelosi, Obama, and Hillary talking about the desperate need for border security and even a physical barrier in the past. As Limbaugh points out, Hillary expressed her support at a time when she knew it would not happen. Politicians cynically do that sort of thing as a CYA, so they can point to support for something if it later proves to be to their advantage. Similar to the way the Republicans all voted to end and replace the ACA until Obama was no longer there to veto it. Once Trump was elected, it turns out they actually didn’t want to end and replace it.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  85. @Hail

    I like this compilation of 46 times Obama said “That’s not who we are.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Marat
  86. Wilkey says:

    “Not who we are as a nation.” WTF?

    For the record, “who we are” as a nation includes the 1795 immigration act, passed by a Congress heavily comprised of Founding Fathers, restricted naturalization to white people. Then in 1882 a Congress heavily comprised of Union Army veterans (you know, the ones who freed the slaves) passed the Chinese Exclusion Act by a 5-1 margin.

    That is most definitely a part of “who we are” as a nation. These men knew that keeping a successful republic required maintaining some degree of commonality among the people.

    • Replies: @Hail
  87. US Senator Charles Schumer is a Jewish nationalist.

    Sam Francis wrote about nations within nations.

    This guy Charles Schumer says:

    “In Israel and America, the Jewish nation lives — now and forever”

    • Replies: @Anonym
    , @Hypnotoad666
  88. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    I thought that too.. like it’s merely a way of quickly reviewing new social sciencey books: “Folks, this is not Who We Are. It’s not even Where We Go From Here or Who Moved My Cheese

  89. @niteranger

    Nancy Pelosi is one of the most hideous humans that has ever lived. She and here fellow Democrats voted for wall:

    Pelosi is inherently an older generation of moderate Democrat. She is definitely more moderate than Kamala Harris or even a Beto or an AOC. She is supporting her party on a position that I consider extreme, but that is her job. If she didn’t want to support the Democratic Party she would need to find work elsewhere.

    The entire Democratic party flip-flopped on supporting a border barrier and lurched far to the left. Pelosi and Schumer followed their party through this flip flop, which as I said, is their job. Trump and other figures on the right are correct to point out this flip-flop and exploit it for advantage.

    This crowd should realize that Pelosi is inherently more moderate than the younger Democrats, she is of course a loyal servant to her party, but she is also more politically skilled than the younger Democrats.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  90. Well, I don’t know. In the Christian tradition Jesus once said (John 8:7) more or less: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”, which I believe has analogues in the other great religious traditions. So, Ms. Pelosi needs to be very careful casting herself and her team as the paragon of moral virtue. Quite an arrogant presumption, I’d say.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  91. I don’t understand why Trump doesn’t simply do as Ann Coulter says, and demand the exact same wall/fence/barrier (“Barrier”) across our Mexican border (a “Southern Barrier”) that Israel has erected in the Sinai along its Egyptian border (the “Sinai Barrier”).

    True, some Israeli Barriers were put into place to prevent immediate terrorist attacks from occupied Palestine. Those Barriers are not analogous to what Trump promised us.

    The Sinai Barrier, in contrast, was put up for the express purpose, as stated plainly on websites of the Israeli government (or at least of Netanyahu’s office), of blocking the flow of economic migrants coming from Africa through Egypt, and only secondarily to prevent deadly attacks against Israelis.

    This is exactly the same dual purpose for a Southern Barrier: to block economic migrants and deadly attacks against Americans (whether by violence, criminal negligence, or drugs). And truth be told, many more Americans have been killed by gangs, illegal alien drunk drivers, and opioid-mules coming across the southern border (and not just through road checkpoints) than Israelis (even on a proportional basis) have been killed by terrorists coming across the Sinai border (and not via Gaza or the West Bank).

    The Sinai Barrier is a fact on the ground that conclusively refutes the Demo[tic] claims that a Southwest Barrier would be “immoral” and/or “ineffective.”

    Not more than a handful of members of Congress believes, or would ever state in public, that Israel has ever done anything “immoral.”

    And the Israelis would be happy to show the numbers proving the Sinai Barrier has eliminated 99.9% of the illegal immigration from Egypt.

    I’ve been trying, with virtually zero success thus far, of summing up the promises made by Trump (with greater specificity in the 2016 Republican platform) as the “Sinai-Jordan Covenant.”


    That entails delivering a Southwest Barrier just like the Sinai Barrier: “sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic.”

    It also entails legislation consistent with the principles enunciated so well by the late and great African-American Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. Jordan–solely out of concern for lower-income citizens–wanted to restrict legal immigration (to about half a million a year) and the hiring of illegal aliens (with severe and consistently enforced penalties against employers).

    And what did the 2016 Republican platform say?

    “In light of the alarming levels of unemployment and underemployment in this country, it is indefensible to continue offering lawful permanent residence to more than one million foreign nationals every year.”

    “We insist upon workplace enforcement of verification systems so that more jobs can be available to all legal workers. Use of the E-verify program — an internet-based system that verifies the employment authorization and identity of employees — must be made mandatory nationwide.”

    I defy any Demo[tic] member of Congress to look into a television monitor and say that Barbara Jordan was wrong. She certainly couldn’t be labeled “racist.”

    American citizens deserve a covenant with the Federal and State governments they ostensibly rule under which Federal and State governments follow the effective, moral, and humane policies behind the Sinai Barrier and Barbara Jordan’s legislative proposals, i.e., a Sinai-Jordan Covenant.


  92. Kelso says:

    If Pelosi is against walls, why does she want to give Israel $11 million/day to build a wall in Occupied Palestine? Jews have built a monstrosity a helluva lot bigger, longer, higher than what Trump wants.

    • Replies: @Lot
  93. @Anonymous

    Males hunt(ed). Tracking and downing prey (with spears, arrows, rocks, etc.) develops fast reflexes, coordination, aim (ability to gauge depth, distance, etc. correctly). Males have been selected for the things that make them good at many sports, video games, shoting, driving, etc.

    Females gather(ed). Distinguishing ripe, healthy fruits, vegetables, nuts, etc. from the unripe, the poisonous, etc. develops a keen eye for nuanced shades of colour.

    These are perhaps the two most archetypal examples of sexually divergent evolution evinced in modern society: women going on about teal and aquamarine while men reckon it’s all blue; throwing like a girl (also an artifact of sexually dimorphic musculature, of course); and so on.

    I’m really surprised you aren’t already familiar with these ideas, since they are often used to illustrate evolutionary psychology and such in conversations introducing the topic, they are so fundamentally easy to understand and observe in modern society while relying on irrefutable divisions of labour which did exist historically (and still do in places like Papua New Guinea).

  94. J1234 says:

    The left is always waiting for its ever evolving priestly class to tell them what to think and how to define themselves. That’s how political groups rooted in moral superiority structure themselves. And that’s why they have widely vacillating views of right and wrong over relatively short periods of time.

    For example, just ten years ago Obama said he was not for gay marriage…this is while he was running for president in 2008. Whether he actually believed what he said is mostly irrelevant because I’m talking about a social phenomena. A few short years later, the president who entered office saying he was not for gay marriage was publicly rebuking the state of North Carolina for not falling in line with the left’s latest and greatest incarnation of sexually based morality – transgender bathrooms. Now Elizabeth Warren’s writing of fifteen years ago lamenting the decline of traditional family structure is something she has to live down, lest she be left behind by her ideology’s priestly class. In fact, it actually sort of comes across like the Left Behind series of evangelical books, but for Marxists.

  95. syonredux says:

    Straight from the SJW dream world:

    EXCLUSIVE: Al Pacino is nearing a deal to make his episodic television debut. He’s committing to a 10-episode season of Amazon’s The Hunt, a vengeance-driven Nazi hunting series executive produced by Oscar-winning Get Out writer-director Jordan Peele.

    The Hunt follows a diverse band of Nazi Hunters living in 1977 New York City. The Hunters, as they’re known, have discovered that hundreds of high ranking Nazi officials are living among us and conspiring to create a Fourth Reich in the U.S. The eclectic team of Hunters will set out on a bloody quest to bring the Nazis to justice and thwart their new genocidal plans.

    Lerman plays Jonah Heidelbaum, who, when his grandmother is slain by a mysterious intruder in their apartment, sets out to track the culprit — only to find himself swept up in the mysterious organization known as The Hunt, a group of justice-seeking individuals dedicated to rooting out the Nazi murderers living in the U.S. under assumed identities. Pacino will play the Nazi hunter who mentors him.

  96. hhsiii says:

    Ha, yeah, I looked that up. AGCO also owns the Massey-Ferguson brand name.

  97. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    Do they see any irony in hunting ‘Nazis’ like Jews were hunted by the Nazis?

    So, Jewish-dominated NY has open season on ‘Nazis’.

    This is how Jews regard white patriots, but white conzos still support Israel?


  98. kihowi says:

    Like the “this is who I am and if you don’t like it you can lump it” mentality from Twitter and other shitholes. Usually said by people who know that there is a lot to object to in, and on them.

    It’s being proudly antisocial. Civilization depends on people changing themselves for other people; on presenting a better personality than the one they would have if no one was looking. “This is who I am” means “you’re all uncredited extras in my biopic”.

  99. Its throwing your gun at the werewolf after you’ve run out of bullets.

  100. Anonym says:
    @Erik Sieven

    I don’t care to watch the snippet but Italians are notorious for talking with their hands, and Pelosi is at least part Italian.

  101. fish says:

    Jerry Brown trivia he wet his bed every night till he was 17 years old.

    Yeah…..I’m guessing he’s back at it again.

  102. fish says:

    This California wacko has had oodles of plastique surgery, and by the best.

    … doesn’t seem to be working.

  103. kihowi says:

    To anyone even slightly given to thinking about stuff, male domination in video games should be enough to realize that performing, winning, competing are things that men can do because they’re men, not just because of strength. But nobody seems to think that question is very interesting.

    I mean, of course we already had Chess and Go and everything else. But some people need of evidence.

  104. up is down, right is left.

    it’s just not who we are, bigot.

  105. Anonym says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Basically, “Shut up goy, resisting your genocide, retaining your country, identity and potential for power is not who you are and not who you will become if we have anything to say about it.”

  106. densa says:

    It avoids stating “who we are.” The we is a supremacy, a dictate of political correctness.

    A common unstated answer to the question is “We are a nation of immigrants.” Absolutely not true. We have x-millions of immigrants and everyone else born here is a native. Whenever a second generation immigrant commits a crime, we are always told they’re American. That’s who we are. But generations of whites going back hundreds of years are still booked as immigrants. That’s who we aren’t.

  107. Kyle says:

    No it’s just that men enjoy violent video games like call of duty. Women enjoy puzzle games like Tetris or yoshi. Except when they get to difficulty level 10 and the blocks start falling at a million miles and hour, that’s just not fair.

  108. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:

    Your Paul Robeson story, which I don’t doubt, is interesting to consider in the context of the antifa brat-pack torching UC Berkeley to “protest” Milo. Apparently, dumbass lynch mobs ARE who we are as Americans.

  109. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Trump is stabbing us in the back to boost these H-1B Zuckerslaves. The guy does not think more than 6 hours into the future ever.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  110. @Massimo Heitor

    This crowd should realize that Pelosi is inherently more moderate than the younger Democrats, she is of course a loyal servant to her party, but she is also more politically skilled than the younger Democrats.

    These are all good points. And true. But it also means that – whether she believes what she is saying or not — her pronouncements are an accurate statement of the collective beliefs and positions of the Democrat party as a whole.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Massimo Heitor
  111. Rosie says:

    But that is a far cry and completely different than preventing people from violating the sovereignty of the US by avoiding due process of entry. I find it very strange that anyone advocates for people breaking the law in order to undermine the opportunities and benefits of US citizens. Which in my view reflects the appropriate views of that Navy representative. We should not be engaging in the support unlawful activities to undermine our fellow citizens, regardless how much we disapprove.

    Only a hostile elite acting against the best interests of the population needs to resort to this “not who we are” guilt trip.

  112. Svigor says:

    “It still gives the impression that blacks as a group are more hateful and violent than whites, and that just doesn’t square with my experience of the U.S. rural New England”


  113. Pericles says:

    A secret society arriving from Germany and settling in New York to take over America, huh? Pacino will have his hands full.

  114. @Steve Sailer

    I’ve actually had a five minute conversation with Jerry Brown, so maybe if he’s elected President in 2020 I can get some mileage out of my observations of him.

    Jerry Brown in 2020–LOL. When the guy first ran for president I was still in college, now i’m retired.

    By the way, while Brown seems like a generally more competent/sensible Democrat, he really represents what the Democrats stand for. Pat+Bernice Brown had four kids. But Jerry apparently never knocked up any of these gals–not Linda Ronstadt, not his longtime girlfriend Anne Gust. He didn’t get married until Anne was menopausal.

    Brown is a good icon of the white side of the Democrat party elite–competent but sterile, a harbinger of white death. In contrast to Pelosi who has personally been highly fertile, but sounds like a bozo and cheers on white replacement.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  115. @syonredux

    Al Pacino is nearing a deal to make his episodic television debut. He’s committing to a 10-episode season of Amazon’s The Hunt, a vengeance-driven Nazi hunting series

    I like it . . . a sort of politically correct version of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

    It totally makes sense as Nazis have become the mythological monsters of the PC Left. Of course, real Nazis are also about as common as real vampires.

  116. Lot says:

    That is a cliche that is at least 50 years old. I can imagine Adlai Stevenson saying it in 1956.

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
  117. J.Ross says: • Website

    >what’s the evolutionary psychology explanation for men embracing competition?
    This sort of question is why people say lurk more: tldr sperm is cheap and eggs are dear.

  118. J.Ross says: • Website

    Every single thing always has to be about Nazis at all times. Good. This will do more than David Irving ever could to put an exhausted Maslovian hammer on its shelf.

  119. Lot says:

    “Jews have built a monstrosity a helluva lot bigger, longer, higher…”

    But not uncut.

    Seriously though, it is really an impressive wall.

    “in Occupied Palestine”

    Outed as a jihadi sympathizer. Stay on your own side Yassir, you have 60-some Muslims countries to choose from. You aren’t getting Judea back.

  120. J.Ross says: • Website

    Sure it’s nonsense, the Chinese are doing great things there.

  121. MG says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Furthermore, he is handing on a platter to the Silicon Valley companies what they most seek – an unending supply of cheap Indian software grunts. The same Silicon Valley folks who hate him and us who voted for him. Why would I vote for Trump again?

  122. it’s not who we are as a nation.

    I’d say one of the problems with this cliche is that it assumes that whatever we currently “are” is automatically a good thing. Maybe building a self-protective wall is not “who we are,” because we are now a politically correct, irresolute, self-loathing, dying civilization.

    However, having enough resolution to protect the American people from invasion is definitely “who we once were” and perhaps who we “will be again” if Trump wins in 2020.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    , @Harry Baldwin
  123. Let me add to Pelosi’s shriek…Suspending students who knock teachers out…That’s not who we are! Holding criminals in jail until they make bail…That’s not who we are! Making teachers accountable for dismal student results…That’s not who we are! Keeping violent gang members and drug cartels out of America…That’s not who we are! Refusing marching orders from George Soros and his ilk…That’s not who we are! Feel free to add to this list.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  124. markflag says:

    Abortion is also immorality but that doesn’t seem to bother Mrs. Pelosi the “good” (in her own mind) Catholic.

  125. @Charles Pewitt

    This guy Charles Schumer says:

    “In Israel and America, the Jewish nation lives — now and forever”

    Tribalism for me, but not for thee. Who? Whom? as iSteve notes, pretty well explains everything.

  126. Rosie says:

    These are all good points. And true. But it also means that – whether she believes what she is saying or not — her pronouncements are an accurate statement of the collective beliefs and positions of the Democrat party as a whole.

    My question is this. How do they continue to maintain that “nobody wants open borders”? Are they claiming that borders are fine, but it’s immoral to actually prevent anyone from crossing them without permission? How is that not transparently absurd to anyone who is not a complete moron?

  127. Ibound1 says:

    That is one good looking wall. We need that wall. “Monstrosity”? No sir. “Necessity”.

  128. @Intelligent Dasein

    I thought the whole point of the internet was to make the world “flat,” so that geography no longer applies to “knowledge workers.” (Per Thomas Friedman and his ilk).

    So why do Indian coders have to work in America? Why can’t they just code in India and send the work product via email or whatever? That’s basically what they would be doing if they were working out of a brick and mortar office building in Mountain View anyway.

    Serious question. I don’t get it.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    , @ben tillman
  129. @Reg Cæsar

    I can’t believe this made the News. That’s not Huey are.

    I think this is what they call a “Dad Joke.”

  130. Marat says:

    No, that’s not who we are anymore.

    What greater luxury is there than denying reality (as a virtue)? “It’s not who we are” has a delusional Miss Havisham ring to it.

  131. theMann says:
    @International Jew

    A few helicopter gunships and a rapid reaction force would work even better, with less deleterious environmental effect. Cheap and effective, and they wouldn’t even have to fire lethal rounds.

    Or we can just keep screwing around until every White Male in the country joins a militia, that’ll be fun. All speculation aside, sooner or later, ordinary Americans will understand the truth: events were catastrophically mismanaged going back to the Mariel boatlift, and the Federal Government WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM, EVER.

  132. It’s the story of a competent male gamer who pretended to be a competent female gamer, because so few competent females actually exist, and it is therefore highly advantageous in gaming to pretend to be one.

    The WaPo can’t figure out why this is sexist against women. But they know it must be. So the story just goes round and round making PC noises about the supposed “hostility” and “toxicity” of evil male gamers.

  133. @EliteCommInc.

    Without enforcement of the border, there is no “we”.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  134. @Lot

    That wall in Israel looks like it has a good solid foundation with a bottom poured slab, you can see the plywood forms in the outer face of the concrete.

    The vertical wall slabs look like pre-stressed concrete slabs, the same ones they pop onto steel girders to make bridges for highways and such.

    Pre-stressed concrete involves ratcheting up and tightening steel cables running through steel form pans and using other steel reinforcing material to provide strength. They tighten the crap out of the cables and pour the concrete, let the concrete cure and snip off the steel cables remaining outside the cement. The slab pops right out of the form pan and is ready to go. They coat the pan with some substance so the cured slab doesn’t stick too much to the form pan.

    Concrete people can fix any errors above in my non-expert description of pre-stressed concrete slabs. It’s interesting stuff!

    The USA should have the same wall Israel has, and more.

    The USA should implement an immigration moratorium.

    The USA should immediately deport all illegal alien invaders.

    Trump has started pushing nation-wrecking mass legal immigration, and he must be primaried in the 2020 GOP presidential primary.

  135. We’re not who we are.

    We’re not white people. We’re just trapped in white people’s bodies.

    We’re not the creators and inheritors of Western Civilization. We’re just trapped in the narratives of our own history.

    We’re not men. We’re just trapped in masculinity.

    And so on.

    The worst and most evil form of White Privilege is for a white person to be automatically blind to it.

    Paradoxically, The cure lies in white persons blinding themselves as to why it arose in the first place.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  136. @Anon

    Seems to begin in 2013

    This is totally consistent with Steve’s thesis that SJWism went critical in Obama’s second term, when the leftists no longer had to feign moderation for purposes of reelection.

    It also coincides with Jonathan Chait’s timeline in The Coddling of the American Mind for the explosion of snowflakery on campus.

  137. @Lot

    The tower in that Israel wall looks like re-purposed concrete catch basin portions stacked one on top of the other.

    • Replies: @Lot
  138. SMK says: • Website

    “The greatest nation on earth” and in all of history and this nascently senile loon is speaker of the house with enormous power and influence. She’s so dimwitted that she can only parrot the cliches of the regnant and “respectable,” almost invariably in demonizing Trump and the “basket of deplorable” she wants to replace with superior Mestizos and pure Amerindian from Mexico and Central America. And who are we exactly?

  139. @The Anti-Gnostic

    How about “just looking for a better life” / “searching for a better life” / “seeking a better life” ?

    I must try this at my next interview.

    “Mr YetA, why do you want to work for us?”

    “I’m seeking a better life, and a future for my children – and if you employ me you’ll be helping me towards that goal “

  140. Svigor says:
    @Captain Tripps

    Another quote widely taken out of context. Another of Christ’s attempts to moderate the radical Talmudic Hebrew tendency, not actually contradict existing Law.

  141. Svigor says:

    When you get old you tend to run out of ideas.

  142. Daniel H says:

    I seem to recall the rhetorical trick that left-libs would use a few decades ago: “Shame, Shame, Shame…”. A variant on the current.

  143. istevefan says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    One thing we know about Trump is that he is malleable. He reacts to negative pressure. We saw it on the wall. We thought he was going to cave, but pressure on the right heated up and he has stood tall for 3 weeks during this shutdown.

    It is good that he tweeted out this asinine suggestion because it allows us to see that he is getting bad advice. I think Trump tweets as a way of testing the political winds. Rather than giving up, we need to ratchet up the pressure. Obviously it would help if more high profile people picked up on this, people like Coulter,Limbaugh, etc.

    But at least we know what thought has been planted in his head. Now it’s just a matter of organizing and generating enough noise to let him know it’s a bad idea.

  144. Ibound1 says:

    In my experience, foreign H1B workers are not recruited overseas for the most part. They are recruited from non-US students here in university. They then intern and interview with US firms just as a US student would. The law allows this. The only way they can then work here permanently is to get first a training and then a permanent visa but that effort is now considered so ordinary that it is part of the standard US HR process. Just as they take up spots in our universities, the students take available jobs. Did you believe the foreign engineering students at MIT or Berkeley or Texas or Illinois just go home? They stay. Naturally HR departments want this supply – increased supply means lower costs and faster hiring times. Once the non-US students are here the process begins.

  145. Paul says:

    Nancy Pelosi supports sending billions of U.S. dollars that helps pay for a wall that aids Zionists in keeping ethnically cleansed Palestinians and African blacks out of Palestine. She is such a fraudster! She knows what side her bread (campaign contribution loot) is buttered on.

  146. It’s not who we are to colonize other sovereign nations, like England colonized India and like the Spaniards colonized parts of Latin America, although maybe the USA should start doing it since foreign nationals and their employers do not mind subjecting underemployed American citizens to colonization by sneaky means.

    It is who we are to be reverse-colonized, with a coalition of multinational, American-owned corporations and corporate-owned politicians—like Pelosi with her personal fortune in excess of $200 million—facilitating the reverse-colonization process.

    It is all for the sake of morality.

    To prove her Catholic morality credentials, Pelosi needs to provide the illegal border crossers, seeking to be part of the reverse-colonization process without going through the legal process that our politicians designed to flood America with cheap, welfare-aided labor, with temporary lodging in her mansion.

    Her state is also full of homelesss American citizens, providing her with ample opportunities to demonstrate her superior morality.

    She is not doing any of it.

    Here is another idea to put the Speaker’s Catholic morality in action: finance comfortable buses to transport illegal border crossers back to their countries’ embassies to apply for asylum the legal way.

    Pelosi can also finance trips to Latin America and lodging for the battalion of immigration lawyers, capitalizing on the current illegal-border-crossing industry.

    If illegal aliens are taken back to their countries’ embassies the minute they arrive, fewer will attempt the harrowing journey, creating a much more moral situation than the one where politicians, like Pelosi, encourage human smugglers, hauling adults and children in car trunks to get them onto the under-the-table payrolls of America’s many cheapskate employers.

    Most of those immigration lawyers, too, will seek other, easier clientele, even if Pelosi springs for first-class travel and hotel accommodations in those poor Latin American resort areas that America’s elites frequent.

  147. @Hypnotoad666

    These are all good points. And true. But it also means that – whether she believes what she is saying or not — her pronouncements are an accurate statement of the collective beliefs and positions of the Democrat party as a whole.

    That is a safe bet that Pelosi’s statements are an accurate representation of the Democratic Party.

  148. A wall is immoral. And then goes on to say the money should be spent on reinforcing the infrastructure at the ports of entry which, apparently, is a moral thing to do.

    She is seemingly unaware of the contradiction in her arguments. If a wall is immoral, because it’s a thing of the past, her argument goes, then she is de facto advocating for open borders.

    Why are the ports of entry moral then? Sections of the US-Mexican border are *already* walled and fenced. Is the democrats’ message to do away with those also? The thing is idiotic in the extreme. Even if the whole agenda is open borders, to admit it publicly is extremely moronic. Good news for Trump in any case.

    Trump would do good in pointing that out to the American people: democrats are obviously becoming open borders fanatics. Pelosi’s “a wall is an immorality between countries” is Exhibit A, the smoking gun.

    Difficult to believe someone as dim-witted as Pelosi could end up at elite political positions in the US, let alone being selected the SOTUSHOR.

  149. it’s from the obama people, or more specifically, some of the jewish intellectuals who come up with all the ideas for the left. just more conditioning and brainwashing. like ‘judeo christian”. repeat it often enough and even the people you hate and want to replace will start picking it up and using it.

    a “not who we are” moment = some completely common sense thing that europeans did when the united states was a real country, which is now to be ridiculed as stupid and backwards.

    every last thing about the old america, america 1.0, will be systematically categorized as “not who were are” in a step by step way.

    a country that thinks women don’t have penises? that’s not who were are.

  150. @Harry Baldwin

    Would people stop this about Repub hypocrisy on ending the ACA?

    The sisters Susan and Lisa don’t count as full-blooded Republicans. So it came down to John McCain, and Mr. McCain, Captain McCain, USN, Ret, voted it down for reasons that you would have to appeal to the Lord to have this revealed, now.

    So the Repubs did everything in their power to end the thing, and it just didn’t happen. So can we retire this trope about the Republicans back-tracking on this?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  151. sayless says:

    “Not who we are” =

    “I’m disappointed in you.”

  152. @Hypnotoad666

    They are supposed to be prisoners of their employers.

  153. Anonym says:

    I’d say one of the problems with this cliche is that it assumes that whatever we currently “are” is automatically a good thing. Maybe building a self-protective wall is not “who we are,” because we are now a politically correct, irresolute, self-loathing, dying civilization.

    Reminds me of the old sales trick of asking the negative person a question and then looking to the positive person for the head nod at the end of the question. (You) are not who we are. The “we” is only the fringe coalition, but I’ll presume to speak for you as well.

  154. Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:

    For those confused, instead of grappling with the negative definition, heed some eminent examples of the embodiment of the qualities of Who-We-Areness:

    * Ta Wakanda Coates
    * Beto O’Rourke
    * Ruth Bader Ginsberg
    * Michelle Obama
    * John McCain/Syrian guerillas
    * The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
    * antifa
    * the Ivy League + 7 Sisters
    * the E.U.
    * Jamal Khashoggi(sp?) [is there a blockbuster musical about this guy yet? Don’t leave $$$ on the table, Broadway]

  155. Lot says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    It’s a eco-friendly wall!

    The round shape of the turrets gives it a classy Tudor Revival look.

  156. Hunsdon says:

    That’s not a wall, that’s a fence.

  157. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Pelosi Pelosi Pelosi, can’t you see
    Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
    I just love your flashy ways
    This is why I’m broke but you’re so paid

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  158. IC8 says:

    What about white babies that get aborted? Do you care about them at all? Your argument only makes sense if 100% of abortions are non-white, which is obviously not the case. This is like saying we should legalize murder because blacks are more likely to be murdered than whites. You’re essentially saying that whites dying is okay, as long as more blacks die than whites. This is an incredibly sociopathic way of thinking, like some twisted, racialized version of utilitarianism.

    • Replies: @Anon
  159. @niteranger

    The stupid republicans are just as much a part of the swamp as the commie democrats! I believe most all elections for the past 40 years have been rigged. We need voter id everywhere and term limits!!!
    This brainless twit needs to be removed from the government Now! She has done way more to destroy our country than what she should ever have gotten away with!

  160. @Reg Cæsar

    Lock, Shut & Glue Her Up!

    Thanks a pantload for bringing to mind what it means when Nancy’s lips are in motion – as in her disgusting dowel movements.

    also see RBG’s somnolent snarl and a stiff’s upper lip

  161. @Hypnotoad666

    Your comment reminds me of one of the catchphrases Bill Clinton used to favor: “I want a cabinet that looks like America,” meaning, racially and sexually diverse. But Clinton, like most modern politicians, didn’t like what America looks like. He wanted lots more non-white immigrants.

  162. Is the Berkeley-Harvard anti-misogynist economist Alice Wu who we are?

    Woo-Hoo! Trippin’ fallin ‘n flippin’ up agin’ a wall an’ my vision is beginnin’ to Blur:

  163. Jim Given says:

    So Nancy Pelosi considers Israel, which has an extensive, modern border wall to be an “immoral” country. Why has she not been denounced as an anti-Semite?

  164. @lhtness

    In some ways, “Not who we are” is similar to “Un-American”, except without actually saying the “America” part.

    Get ready for the House Not-who-we-are Activities Committee. With Tailgunner Kamala in the Senate.

    But, “Have you no shame?” Shame is for losers!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  165. @The Anti-Gnostic

    There’s an annoying PSA (redundant) that features a woman with an irritating Indian accent (again, redundant) promoting her open borders work for the United Way. She starts, “My name is Mira. Many people come to America looking for a better life…”

    I always ask the radio, “What if their ‘better life’ is making our lives worse?”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Corvinus
  166. @Harry Baldwin

    There’s an annoying PSA (redundant)

    Remember when PSAs were (sometimes) entertaining? Add fifty years (or an epitaph) to everyone in this one:

  167. I am agnostic about the wall, but Pelosi’s rhetoric is just as bad as Trump’s.

  168. @Harry Baldwin

    I like this compilation of 46 times Obama said “That’s not who we are.”

    Al Roker is no longer who we are.

    Al Roker defends the meteorologist who was fired for a racist slur

  169. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    No need. High-level suspected dissidents are already “investigated” and pressured to plead guilty to non-crimes, street level people are physically attacked, online logistics disconnect and blacklist, and employees are ferretted out. All of these things are already happening and have been for years. I recently overheard some boomers discussing the political climate: there was no mention of getting suckerpunched, and then imprisoned if you try to defend yourself. It was just gosh those people sure take this too seriously, it’s a shame they missed out on hot dogs because they’re so sensitive. NPR’s Terry Gross recently interviewed a black man who lost a job because of a joke he posted online years ago and she could not comprehend why he would not apologize more or participate more in his own self-confession session. At one point she helpfully explained that there is a self-explanatory and legally binding distinction between making a joke and being stupid.
    NPR: one day they deny documented suffering, the next they deny that Wierd Al Yankovic ever existed.

  170. @ben tillman

    I am very comfortable with as high and as wide a wall as can be built. In fact, I have no issues with double walls, land mines, spikes, motes, canyons, trenches, dogs, alligators, etc.

    I am also fine with gps tracked passports . . . a five year moratorium . . . an overhaul of our entire employment infrastructure, and citizenship requirements for education and any other public services.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  171. trelane says:

    Not who we are is, by definition, antithesis. The politically correct, the victim politics of the Left is, by its nature, antithetical

  172. Dtbb says:

    Have there been any studies of the long term effects of botox? Can it affect the brain somehow?

  173. res says:

    I suppose that is consistent with this Google Ngram
    Which shows a fairly sharp rise from ~1983-2008.

    It’s too bad Google has not updated their Ngram viewer in the last decade. And that the NYT Chronicle went away (I’m guessing because it was too useful for crimethinkers?).

    Any idea where Darel R. Paul got his data?

    • Replies: @Hail
  174. @Anonymous normally has ready to go anti-H-1B faxes to send when these pro-H-1B stuff raises it’s ugly head.

    Give it a look-see.

  175. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Just check the abortion stats moron.

    If you had children or grandchildren you wouldn’t be so eager to flood America with blacks and browns who are entitled to jobs and benefits your children and grandchildren are banned from because of anti White racial discrimination.

    To be anti abortion is to be anti White.

    Why do you ignore the discrimination and race replacement of Whites? You’re probably in favor of legal immigration because Americans just aren’t capable of learning high skill jobs and also favor illegal immigration because Americans don’t want to be furniture movers and restaurant workers.

  176. Dube says:
    @Erik Sieven

    I recall that Trump, during the campaign, derided HRC for “the way she waves her hands.” In fact she did flutter them meaninglessly. But I knew that that would never be the case again, since her campaign was well advised for appearances, and she was well coached in many respects. Promptly, she was moving from the shoulders, with statuesque arm gestures like the Roman orators, and no silly hand flapping.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  177. @Hail

    I think it springs from the navel-gazing phrase “That’s not who I am,” often shortened to “That’s not me.”

    Such words are often uttered after the utterer has committed some sort of outrage — anything from public urination to murder — implying that he was somehow forced to do the deed against his will, or that it happened without his realizing it. He’s just as surprised as you are. Thus he can’t be held responsible.

    It’s a very New Age phrase.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  178. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s those Muslim African Sudan and Somalia primitives with 65 IQs in Maine. An excellent argument for abortion

  179. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    How far underground does the foundation have to go support a wall that high?? Would it have buttresses in the Israel side?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    , @Dtbb
  180. @Inquiring Mind

    Under the “No true Scotsman” rule, the Republicans didn’t backtrack. Gotcha.

  181. @Dube

    Promptly, she was moving from the shoulders, with statuesque arm gestures like the Roman orators, and no silly hand flapping.

    How about that cutesy, flirty, shoulder-shimmy Hillary did during one of the debates? Gag.

  182. @Mike Krauthammar

    “I find your lack of faith disturbing”

  183. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Bizarro World Observer

    Yes, celebrities and sociopathic executives love employing this phrase to describe behaviors they have reliably pursued in official apologies (and of course it’s a Dylan reference). Your analysis is dead on: none of these peope have the maturity expected in previous generations of an eight year old boy.

  184. Hail says: • Website

    Thanks for digging up these Kerry and Clark uses of “who we are.” Clark in 2003 is using it somewhat close to our late 2010s understanding, but IMO is not fully there: The Obama/Ryan/Pelosi use is decidedly scolding, condescending, racialized and anti-nationalist — in a word, weaponized; the Clark use is on the bland side and nonthreatening.

    Clark also rather quickly became a forgotten figure, and IMO there is no plausible no thread connecting his rhetoric from 2003 with 2019.

    There may be multiple earlier uses that at least arguably carry the same political connotation (I could accept saying that Clark 2003 is one), but there is compelling reason to ‘zero in on’ the Nov. 20, 2014 Obama nationally televised speech. Steve talks about the “Megaphone,” but what louder Megaphone is there than the President taking over the airwaves and issuing a direct address?

    The phrase “Who We Are” was a centerpiece of the speech and was immediately magnified by the regime press. Here is the New York Times reporting on the Nov. 20, 2014 speech:

    Obama, Daring Congress, Acts to Overhaul Immigration
    By Michael D. Shear
    Nov. 20, 2014

    WASHINGTON — President Obama chose confrontation over conciliation on Thursday as he asserted the powers of the Oval Office to reshape the nation’s immigration system and all but dared members of next year’s Republican-controlled Congress to reverse his actions on behalf of millions of immigrants.

    In a 15-minute address from the East Room of the White House that sought to appeal to a nation’s compassion, Mr. Obama told Americans that deporting millions is “not who we are” and cited Scripture, saying, “We shall not oppress a stranger for we know the heart of a stranger — we were strangers once, too.”

    Note that “Not who we are” is in the second sentence of the article and is the first direct quotation from the speech, in an article about the speech.

    (Just over 12 months later [early Dec. 2015], Paul Ryan denounced candidate Trump with the exact same phrase used for the same purpose, the first time of many.)

    For those who may have forgotten, Nov. 2014 was when Obama tried to pull a fiat amnesty:


    [Obama] announced his intention to expand DACA to cover additional illegal immigrants. Multiple states immediately sued to prevent the expansion which was ultimately blocked by an evenly divided Supreme Court. Under President Trump the United States Department of Homeland Security rescinded the expansion on June 16, 2017.

    The period late 2014 is right at the beginning of the take-off in appearances of the phrase in the two primary regime newspapers, NYT and WaPo, as noted by Anon[210] above.

    There is also a significant Obama use of “Not Who We Are” in Sept. 2012 at the DNC Convention:

    The relevant excerpt (note that is mid-speech in a long speech):

    If a company releases toxic pollution into the air your children breathe, well, that’s the price of progress. If you can’t afford to start a business or go to college, take my opponent [i.e., Mitt Romney]’s advice and borrow money from your parents. (Laughter, mixed cheers and boos, applause.)

    You know what, that’s not who we are. That’s not what this country is about. As Americans, we believe we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, rights that no man or government can take away. We insist on personal responsibility, and we celebrate individual initiative. We’re not entitled to success. We have to earn it.

    To me eye, this Sept. 2012 appearance is still not the political bludgeon that it recognizably is today. The Sept. 2012 use is non-racialized. I think HypnoToad666 has it right when he wrote in another comment above:

    This [the phrase’s upward trajectory beginning in 2013] is totally consistent with Steve’s thesis that SJWism went critical in Obama’s second term

  185. Hail says: • Website

    I note that the apparent 1983 origin point disappears in the AmE corpus with smoothing set to zero and with an “is not who we are” side-by-side for reference.

    What I see in the here-linked-to version is a gentle upward slope in the 1970s to 1990s, then an abrupt upward turn in 2004 for both “not who we are” and “is not who we are” in AmE. By 2007, appearances in AmE are more than double the mid-1990s-to-2003 flattish avg. Not a mushrooming, but 2004 as inflection point nonetheless.

    What could have happened in 2004 that might be causal here?

    April 2004

    Now in his controversial new work, Who Are We?, Huntington focuses on an identity crisis closer to home as he examines the impact other civilizations and their values are having on our own country.

    What else happened in 2004?

    Obama looks to own past in convention speech
    Son of immigrant says his story is part of larger American one

    Thursday, July 29, 2004 / CNN

    Three months after first publication the Huntington book, in fact, America met an odd-looking, young-seeming, first-time Senate candidate: Barack Obama.

    No direct relationship yet in 2004, but ten years later, the twain were, perhaps, to meet and give us what we have today: A “Not Who We Are” bludgeon to be deployed against deplorable White Americans far and wide.

  186. @Anon

    How far underground does the foundation have to go support a wall that high?? Would it have buttresses in the Israel side?

    Good question. I can’t say I’ve systematically surveyed the whole thing, but some of that wall runs along Highway 6, and what you see from your car is a grassy berm topped by a wall barely four feet high. You have to look closely to see it at all.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  187. Hail says: • Website

    It would be interesting if an archive of all these shows’ transcripts could be searched to find appearances by month/year.

    Arrow: Oct. 2012 to present
    The Flash: Oct. 2014 to present
    Supergirl: Oct. 2015 to present
    Legends of Tomorrow: Jan. 2016 to present

    I find one website that posts purported transcripts of these shows. Using google to site search, the first appearance I could come up with for Arrow is an episode that aired April 30, 2014. Relevant excerpt:

    – What you did for us — coming back to that boat, setting us free?

    – I came back to the boat because I want to go home. I wasn’t thinking about saving anybody. It’s…It’s not who I am.

    – Maybe not yet.

  188. @International Jew

    Point Google Maps at coordinates 32.08 north, 34.93 east, go into Streetview, and you’ll catch a glimpse of the wall as seen from the Israeli side.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  189. Hail says: • Website

    “Who We Are,” as it exists today, is an elitist, scolding, pseudo-moralistic political bludgeon, not a statement of fact (ofc), on which terms you’ve tried to grapple with it.

    Here’s an idea: Ask Lothrop Stoddard who we are. What would he say?

    But no need for Stoddard; ask any American up through the mid-20th century. All, or nearly all, even for the most part those the ‘left’ and so on, would probably define ‘who we are’ in roughly ethnocultural-historical terms: ‘We’ are primarily the proud inheritors of the genetic-cultural legacy of NW Europe, expressed on a new continent; ‘we’ are conquerors, pioneers, settlers, builders. That’s who we are.

  190. A nation is not who we are. We are a polyglot boarding house.

    As a polyglot boarding house, may we also ignore all the other nation’s laws as it has no sovereignty since it cannot control the basic issue of who comes to the country?

    Let’s begin with the tax laws. I am in favor of ignoring those. If tens of millions or hundreds of millions of people tell the federal government to stick its income tax up its fundament, the government cannot possible, deport.. um I mean prosecute that many people and put them in jails can it?

    Well, as Derb says, we are doomed. But I am not the cheerful optimist on the doomed part as he is.

  191. Thirdtwin says:

    I was born in 1960, and I cannot recall ever hearing that phrase ever before in my life, until the Obama Era, though I did find it used in the late Bush 43 Era. But it does sound like soothing messaging they’d use during the Cold War, repurposed like a B-52 for the War on Terror/Global Contingency Operation.

  192. @Buffalo Joe

    ” Feel free to add to the list”

    Actually this whole issue just boils down to one simply formula, that being :

    If you are not leftist, green, socialist SJW, antifa, then you are not who we are, and you are facist, Nazi, reactionary, etc.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    PS this “green” , “antifa” madness can be traced back to Germany, the eternal source of inspiration, and new ideas, for leftists world-wide

  193. @AnotherDad

    ” Competent/sensible Democrat”

    There is no such animal as a “competent/sensible Democrat”, they are all crazy and abjectly incompetent, and folks of your naive/ignorant concilliatory mindset, are the ones responsible for allowing them to wield their “racism” bludgeon with contempt and bloodlust for the last sixty years, and we see the results now.


  194. @Anon

    Okaaaaaaaaay …

    First of all, my off-the-cuff remark wasn’t so much against abortion as against Pelosi. As a prominent Dem, she is certainly pro-abortion, yet she is anti-wall. As eah slyly suggests, this is incompatible and hypocritical: we must allow anyone to enter the country by waltzing across the border, but we must have a veto-at-will of anyone entering the country via birth canal—of those who would after all seem to be the people most naturally entitled to enter the country. This is a self-evident contradiction, yet no one else pointed it out.

    So that’s all that I—and I assume eah—was getting at with our comments. You raise the “To be anti abortion is to be anti White” specter, which I suppose I don’t need to respond to, but I’ll try anyway.

    I have mixed feelings about it. I concur with IC8‘s point that there is a moral dimension to abortion. If “abortion is murder”, then he is right that it would make just as much sense to permit murder since it too seems to afflict less productive populations more than more productive populations. While this might on its face seem like a reductio ad absurdum show-stopping argument, we may in reality be headed exactly there: into a situation of permissive murder, for what is war in general and civil war in particular but a temporary abeyance of the prohibition against killing?

    So if a little more abortion now will prevent a lot more war (murder) later, maybe there is a moral argument for abortion as a prophylactic against even greater evils? I don’t pretend to know the answer to this quandary. I only know that the question is knotted.

    But leaving aside the morality of abortion and looking at it purely in a utilitarian way, I do think that there may be serious errors in the assumptions people make discussing the matter. I’ve said this here before, but I’ll say again that there is a widespread but unfounded assumption that every abortion equals one fewer of the aborted population. Practical experience, however, does not bear this out. Very often the prospect of available abortion leads women into ill-considered, casual but conceptive sex that they would otherwise have avoided. And unfortunately, as our host has observed, it is often the women we would least wish to reproduce who most often do this and then never quite get around to the abortion part of the program.

    Also, if you are taking a pro-white point of view, the era of widespread abortion availability has coincided pretty closely with the era of white natality decline, especially white decline relative to other populations. Of course, correlation is not causation, but it’s often a good hint. So to put it in colloquial terms, “How’s abortion on demand working out for you whitey?” Fertility declines in every white nation. Less decline among competing populations. Every social indicator was directionally better before the era of widespread abortion. Yes, there were other social changes that occurred simultaneously with abortion permissiveness, and maybe some of them are more to blame and some of them are less to blame, but—to adapt our President’s campaign rhetoric—until we can sort out for certain what is going on, maybe it is better just to shut the whole thing down.

  195. @International Jew

    The location seems a little off.

    Maybe 32.1027173, 34.9890444?

  196. Dtbb says:

    I imagine in the case shown the foundation you see is it because it sits on rock. The wall panels used probably use some sort of tongue and groove to lock together. See the holes at bottom of wall panels? That is so the panels can be welded to plates sticking out of foundation. Educated guess.

  197. Corvinus says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    “I always ask the radio, “What if their ‘better life’ is making our lives worse?””

    Except that is not who we are.

  198. Marat says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Let’s not forget this famous long-winded toasting goof with the famous riff at 1:25

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