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From Politico:

Pelosi: ‘Five white guys’ leading DACA talks should open a ‘hamburger stand’

Her No. 2, Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, called the Californian’s comments ‘offensive.’

By HEATHER CAYGLE 01/11/2018 03:06 PM EST Updated 01/11/2018 04:34 PM EST

… “That comment is offensive. I am committed to ensuring DREAMers are protected and I will welcome everyone to the table who wants to get this done,” Hoyer said to POLITICO in a statement.

The intra-party cross fire comes as Senate negotiators announced they’ve reached a preliminary deal to protect Dreamers.

That sounds like bad news.

Yup:

Back to Politico:

The plan has yet to receive approval from the White House, a key to its success moving forward.

Meanwhile the President asked a vulgarly-phrased question about the quality of most of the countries sending the masses of immigrants, thus setting off a firestorm of indignation because

- It’s racist to demean sending countries.

- But it’s also racist to send anyone back or even not let people in because these sending countries are so awful.

This may sound paradoxical, but the Establishment’s logic is simple: White Guys Bad.

 
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  1. The GOP should thank their lucky stars that Pelosi is still around.

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  2. I’m not sure if I should be happy that we managed to elect a guy like Trump or said we have such a lousy mouthpiece to defend immigration sanity. A bit of both, I guess.

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    • Replies: @Jean Ralphio
    I agree with you, but the shit hole countries comment is the funniest and truest thing any president has ever said.
    , @Kevin C.
    The two are of course connected, because there is simply no way someone who wasn't "such a lousy mouthpiece" would ever be allowed to be nominated, let alone take office.
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  3. Vulgar language is his idea of taking a tough stand.

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    • Replies: @anon
    To forestall another week of media meltdown, he should preemptively tweet that he was misquoted and is actually fake news.
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  4. Trump tells it like it is !! Boom! Leftist heads explode.

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

    He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met yesterday.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/trump-stomps-durbin-gardner-amnesty-plus-proposal/

    “Shithole countries” have shithole people, that’s why those countries are shitholes.

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    • Agree: whorefinder
    • Replies: @anon
    But when it comes to the important issues, Norway is bad. After all:

    http://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/951581441359597569

    , @International Jew
    Trump's use of that term suggests he reads sites like this. And that gives me sone hope he won't sell us out entirely.
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  5. I don’t understand the “hamburger stand” comment. What is that supposed to mean?

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    "Five Guys" is a fast food chain
    , @Barnard
    Five Guys Hamburgers was founded in Washington D.C. Michelle Obama liked to eat there when she wasn't lecturing school children about eating healthy lunches. That was Pelosi's way of getting in a clever dig at the lack of diversity in the negotiating group.

    I can't see a proposal like that passing the House, it sounds worse than anything leaked so far. If that is what he signs, anyone but Jeb or Kasich could have done better than that.

    , @Stan Adams
    There is an East Coast burger chain called Five Guys. It's big in the D.C. area. They give out free peanuts.
    , @Marty
    In the 1950's, when Pelosi was young, a common putdown of someone incompetent was, "couldn't run a hamburger stand." At least here in SF. Giants announcer Russ Hodges used to say that.
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  7. Related: Chuck Todd ended his show tonight on MSNBC by literally reading Emma Lazarus’s poem after saying it was written on the base of the Statue of Liberty.

    This was in response to Trump rightfully calling bad nations “shitholes.”

    The Left is going into a new level of hysteria, can’t wait till one of Trump’s guys explains again that the doggrel poem written by a Jewish woman on the base of a French Statue gifted to the U.S. 100 years after the nation was founded is not the basis of U.S. immigration policy.

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    Steven Miller has already done that. And the reaction was about what you'd expect.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/opinions/statue-of-liberty-history-miller-acosta-schor-opinion/index.html
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  8. @Anonymous
    I don't understand the "hamburger stand" comment. What is that supposed to mean?

    “Five Guys” is a fast food chain

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  9. @Anonymous
    I don't understand the "hamburger stand" comment. What is that supposed to mean?

    Five Guys Hamburgers was founded in Washington D.C. Michelle Obama liked to eat there when she wasn’t lecturing school children about eating healthy lunches. That was Pelosi’s way of getting in a clever dig at the lack of diversity in the negotiating group.

    I can’t see a proposal like that passing the House, it sounds worse than anything leaked so far. If that is what he signs, anyone but Jeb or Kasich could have done better than that.

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  10. @JollyOldSoul
    I'm not sure if I should be happy that we managed to elect a guy like Trump or said we have such a lousy mouthpiece to defend immigration sanity. A bit of both, I guess.

    I agree with you, but the shit hole countries comment is the funniest and truest thing any president has ever said.

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  11. The deal mentioned by Sahil Kapur sounds terrible. No E-Verify? No elimination of chain migration? No elimination of diversity lottery? No green card policy changes? Does “border security” even include a full wall?

    I don’t think that Trump or the Republicans will settle for that little? I’m not sure who has the leverage here and what the costs of walking away from a deal are.

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    • Replies: @Redman
    Me neither. But the deal looks like a loser.

    Wasn’t this supposed to be setting up the Dems as the bad guy if DACA is scrapped? Can’t Trump say he offered DACA despite the critique from his base, and the Dems would give him what he wanted.
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  12. The reported Senate deal is an absolute disaster. Unbelievable.

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  13. @Wally
    Trump tells it like it is !! Boom! Leftist heads explode.

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

    He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met yesterday.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/trump-stomps-durbin-gardner-amnesty-plus-proposal/

    "Shithole countries" have shithole people, that's why those countries are shitholes.

    But when it comes to the important issues, Norway is bad. After all:

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    Thanks.
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  14. Shithole areas are being created by mass immigration in European Christian nations. Parts of England and the United States are turning into shitholes because of mass immigration.

    London guy:

    I grew up near London in the 70′s and in 40 years it’s turned into a foreign shithole. Makes me feel sick mate.

    2015 Tweet Regarding Shitholes:

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  15. @Anonymous
    I don't understand the "hamburger stand" comment. What is that supposed to mean?

    There is an East Coast burger chain called Five Guys. It’s big in the D.C. area. They give out free peanuts.

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    • Replies: @anon
    For the record, I've never found Five Guys to be all that great. It's pretty expensive for what you get, and most of them don't even have beer.

    But it's one of those places that, if you're going out to lunch with a bunch of people, and there's one within about five miles, someone invariably suggests going there.
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  16. The problem with wanting immigrants from places like Norway is that:
    1) They have small population numbers and low fertility rates, so they are not going to be able to send many.
    2) Places like Norway already have sizable third world populations, so it could be Somalians that are coming from Norway instead of Norwegians.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    So we have more than one problem to fix, not news.
    , @Anonymous
    It would be better for Norway if they didn't run away from their problems.

    Leftist hypocrites also have a habit of hiding the red pill under their tongue and spitting it out later, recreating the problems they fled from.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    We do not need immigrants.
    , @Perspective
    Bhutan has a population of about 800K, and it has been sending between 5 to 10 K immigrants/refugees to the US for the last 7 years or so. Norway has 5.3 million, I'm sure you could find 5K or so ethnic Norwegians that want to immigrate to the US.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    I don't want any Norwegians coming here and putting up those smarmy "Hate is not welcome here" yard signs like their ethnic kinsman do in a certain Great Lakes region college town.
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  17. @Lester
    Vulgar language is his idea of taking a tough stand.

    To forestall another week of media meltdown, he should preemptively tweet that he was misquoted and is actually fake news.

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  18. Per the Michael Wolff book, Trump was quite happy to keep and even expand the H1-B visa program since the tech CEOs he was meeting were very keen on it. And if there is one group that Trump likes to impress it is billionaires and CEOs.

    Since Bannon has been thoroughly exorcised, Trump is going to govern like Jared, Ivanka, Gary Cohn and Dina Powell want him to i.e. like an NYC Democrat. His ideal of a politician is not Andrew Jackson but a deal-maker like LBJ. The final immigration deal is going to massively annoy anti-immigrationists as Trump is a dotard-child whose biggest goal is a positive write-up in the New York Times.

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    • Replies: @Redman
    As a lifelong NY’er I can say you have zero idea what you’re talking about. Trump gets that the NYT has seen better days (he calls it the failing NYT all the time)

    If anything, he’s made the liberal media one of his major targets. He’s not looking for their imprimatur.

    And a NY Democrat these days is the equivalent of a Marxist. Other than POCs, there are very few people in NY interested in city politics. It’s viewed very unfavorably by most who aren’t looking for handouts, which is why the voter turnout here is obscenely low.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    How about pointing to what he has done, instead of what he has said? Oh, I forgot, you don't deal in what is, you deal in what you want.
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  20. That’s the Senate deal? Did they consult any Republicans? Basically, the Senate sold the farm in exchange for a new fence around the farm. Mitch McConnell needs to go. Will someone in Kentucky please move a Dreamer into Mitch’s house while he’s in Washington so he’ll get the message.

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    Again, one should not expect anything else from our rubber-stamp figurehead Congress. It's all kayfabe; the Republicans' job is to put on a good enough show of opposing Democrats to delude the masses unhappy with Leftist "progress" that their vote still matters and can accomplish anything, then lose "with dignity." Because whatever it says on paper, our Congress-critters don't actually have the power to do or be anything more than that — all real power belongs to "the Swamp", and nobody and nothing can change that but civilizational collapse.
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  21. How can anyone call himself black pilled today?

    The emperor’s buck naked on immigration, and the establishment’s clutching pearls because Trump pointed it out? Glorious.

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    • Replies: @anon
    What is their logic? They're not seriously claiming that every single country in the world is equally nice to live in. If they were, why doesn't anyone seem to be in any hurry to move to those countries?

    I can understand not liking the term "shithole". But it's not like he said it in a speech or something. It was a meeting. If they're worried about the people from the shithole countries getting offended by the term, they should take that up with Dick Durbin, who released the comments.

    , @Kevin C.

    How can anyone call himself black pilled today?

    The emperor’s buck naked on immigration, and the establishment’s clutching pearls because Trump pointed it out? Glorious.
     
    Except that doesn't matter, because it doesn't matter how much us common masses know the truth, and oppose immigration. The Establishment's will is supreme. Anything Trump manages to accomplish over their opposition will all be undone and then some come the moment he's out of office.

    And as for the analogy to "The Emperor's New Clothes," the ending of that story is totally implausable. A properly realistic ending would be the little brat and his parents being publically executed for treason, and everyone else taking the example to heart and doubling down on praising the Emperor's fine raiment.
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  22. @Wally
    Trump tells it like it is !! Boom! Leftist heads explode.

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

    He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met yesterday.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/trump-stomps-durbin-gardner-amnesty-plus-proposal/

    "Shithole countries" have shithole people, that's why those countries are shitholes.

    Trump’s use of that term suggests he reads sites like this. And that gives me sone hope he won’t sell us out entirely.

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  23. The shithole countries comment doesn’t seem nearly as based in light of that tweet about what kind of “deal” is taking shape. But, as always, wait and see.

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    • Replies: @Dov
    NumbersUSA is ok with the Senate deal, if I understand correctly. Good enough for me.
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  24. @whorefinder
    Related: Chuck Todd ended his show tonight on MSNBC by literally reading Emma Lazarus's poem after saying it was written on the base of the Statue of Liberty.

    This was in response to Trump rightfully calling bad nations "shitholes."

    The Left is going into a new level of hysteria, can't wait till one of Trump's guys explains again that the doggrel poem written by a Jewish woman on the base of a French Statue gifted to the U.S. 100 years after the nation was founded is not the basis of U.S. immigration policy.

    Steven Miller has already done that. And the reaction was about what you’d expect.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/opinions/statue-of-liberty-history-miller-acosta-schor-opinion/index.html

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  25. As usual, I can’t tell whether Trump is an idiot, a savant, or both. He is after all getting his enemies to repeat the phrase “shithole countries,” uncensored, over and over again, in reference to immigration. Scott Adams and other hypno-hoodoo-persuasion games-type nerds would be saying that’s some 316d chess there.

    I assume that when the Gang of Six that went into this meeting realized (especially when they saw Tom Cotton and Bob Goodlatte there too) that their hope of buffaloing Trump into amnesty wasn’t going to happen, might as well blow up any hope of a DACA deal and blame Trump’s “racism.”

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Trump reminds me of a more jock-like version of Otter from Animal House: he knows just what to say to get under the opponent's skin, is thoroughly enjoying himself no matter what he's going through, is always zeroed in on the most important things (hot chicks), and instinctively knows when a situation is rigged against him and thus when it's time to stop taking it seriously (e.g. the way Otter turns the disciplinary hearing that punishes them on its head is something akin to how Trump turns press conferences and press interviews into opportunities to drive them nuts).

    In fact, I think Trump gives many in the corporate media flashbacks to when they were younger and handsome, cocky dudes stole the attentions of the girl the media guys wanted to bang.

    Trump isn't like most politicos who use embarrassing moments sparingly in sort of a gentlemen's agreement. If you oppose him and he finds something that works to hurt you, he presses it relentlessly until you cry uncle. He's realized how to make the corporate media squeal like pigs and instead of just doing it sparingly like a gentlemen who respects them he's doing it like a man at war with them. And ti's beautiful to watch, because this is not a gentelmen's dog-and-pony show, this is war.
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  26. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    How can anyone call himself black pilled today?

    The emperor's buck naked on immigration, and the establishment's clutching pearls because Trump pointed it out? Glorious.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/951591009468764160

    What is their logic? They’re not seriously claiming that every single country in the world is equally nice to live in. If they were, why doesn’t anyone seem to be in any hurry to move to those countries?

    I can understand not liking the term “shithole”. But it’s not like he said it in a speech or something. It was a meeting. If they’re worried about the people from the shithole countries getting offended by the term, they should take that up with Dick Durbin, who released the comments.

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    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
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  27. No Trump will cuck out even harder since Ivanka will be upset her gay hairdresser is ticked.

    We get daca and dreamers and their families and a few bucks for border agent to get donuts

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    • Agree: Kevin C.
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  28. @neutral
    The problem with wanting immigrants from places like Norway is that:
    1) They have small population numbers and low fertility rates, so they are not going to be able to send many.
    2) Places like Norway already have sizable third world populations, so it could be Somalians that are coming from Norway instead of Norwegians.

    So we have more than one problem to fix, not news.

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    Except there's no sign of any achievable solution in reach for many of those problems.
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  29. President Trump:

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

    Illegal Alien Invaders From Shithole Countries Scream And Demand Amnesty:

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  30. Pelosi: ‘Five white guys’ leading DACA talks should open a ‘hamburger stand’

    This neatly explains why I will never, ever vote Democrat, not even for dogcatcher. The Democratic Party is completely given over to anti-white, anti-male identity politics. The idea that the leader of the House Democrats and the former Speaker could so easily sneer out “white guys” as as a derogatory epithet, insulting her own Whip in the process, is incredible.

    The fact that she would say it in the context of allowing untold numbers of blacks and browns from Third World shitholes into this country is even more astounding.

    It’s crystal clear that the Democrats simply hate people like me… what I can’t fathom is there remain white men out there who will still vote Democrat, somehow thinking that aiding and abetting their own political and cultural extinction is a morally superior position. How do you explain that? Stockholm Syndrome? I dunno.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "It’s crystal clear that the Democrats simply hate people like me."
     
    Indeed. In The Current Year, Democrats are the New Nazis and Whites are the New Jews.

    The only thing holding off the New Holocaust is the that this time, the New Jews are armed.

    Sadly, the New Jews' cousins in Old Europe are facing their own New Nazis. And those New Jews are not armed...
    , @Kevin C.

    It’s crystal clear that the Democrats simply hate people like me…
     
    Yes, and they're going to increasingly act on that hate, and since they're the elite, there's nothing we can do to stop it.

    How do you explain that?
     
    Outbreeding. White folks from inside the Hajnal line simply aren't wired for "tribal loyalty," and too much the "individualist" to take their own side.
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  31. Democrats use the term “white guys”, “white men”, “white males” in a context and tone that show they clearly mean it as a slur, then write op-eds bemoaning that they have trouble winning white majorities.

    Yet they think they’re the very stable geniuses.

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  32. @neutral
    The problem with wanting immigrants from places like Norway is that:
    1) They have small population numbers and low fertility rates, so they are not going to be able to send many.
    2) Places like Norway already have sizable third world populations, so it could be Somalians that are coming from Norway instead of Norwegians.

    It would be better for Norway if they didn’t run away from their problems.

    Leftist hypocrites also have a habit of hiding the red pill under their tongue and spitting it out later, recreating the problems they fled from.

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  33. @anon
    But when it comes to the important issues, Norway is bad. After all:

    http://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/951581441359597569

    Thanks.

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  34. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams
    There is an East Coast burger chain called Five Guys. It's big in the D.C. area. They give out free peanuts.

    For the record, I’ve never found Five Guys to be all that great. It’s pretty expensive for what you get, and most of them don’t even have beer.

    But it’s one of those places that, if you’re going out to lunch with a bunch of people, and there’s one within about five miles, someone invariably suggests going there.

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    • Replies: @dr kill
    In fact, one could call the Five Guys here near me a shithole fast-food joint. I like the term, it's impossible to spin.
    , @Anonymous
    Five Guys serves medium thick well done burgers, IOW dry hockey pucks completely dependent on the cheese and condiments for flavor and chewability.

    If you have to grill burger well done, the only good way is like Steak & Shake does it, smashed flat and thin. But you don’t spend $13 for a well done burger, fries and a fountain soft drink.

    In Kansas bars have to do a certain percent of their gross in food. You can get a half pound burger usually cooked as you like with a side and soft drink cheaper.
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  35. Actually, Pelosi’s comment is humorous.

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    • Replies: @slumber_j
    In my experience, people who use the word "humorous" don't know what's funny and what isn't. It's as self-cancelling an expression as "classy."
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  36. the Establishment’s logic is simple: White Guys Bad.

    And the Establishment is sovereign and supreme, and they’ll keep on getting their way no matter the opposition. There’s nothing we can do. Things are only ever going to keep getting worse. We are doomed and nothing can save us. There is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope.

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    • Replies: @Laugh Track

    And the Establishment is sovereign and supreme, and they’ll keep on getting their way no matter the opposition. There’s nothing we can do. Things are only ever going to keep getting worse. We are doomed and nothing can save us. There is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope.
     
    We hear you loud and clear. I don't think you need to repeat the mantra again, unless, of course, someone is paying you to repeat it endlessly.
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  37. @JollyOldSoul
    I'm not sure if I should be happy that we managed to elect a guy like Trump or said we have such a lousy mouthpiece to defend immigration sanity. A bit of both, I guess.

    The two are of course connected, because there is simply no way someone who wasn’t “such a lousy mouthpiece” would ever be allowed to be nominated, let alone take office.

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    • Replies: @Ian M.
    I think you're right. For example, I doubt Tancredo could have gotten nominated. Or Buchanan, assuming he was younger.
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  38. @Massimo Heitor
    The deal mentioned by Sahil Kapur sounds terrible. No E-Verify? No elimination of chain migration? No elimination of diversity lottery? No green card policy changes? Does "border security" even include a full wall?

    I don't think that Trump or the Republicans will settle for that little? I'm not sure who has the leverage here and what the costs of walking away from a deal are.

    Me neither. But the deal looks like a loser.

    Wasn’t this supposed to be setting up the Dems as the bad guy if DACA is scrapped? Can’t Trump say he offered DACA despite the critique from his base, and the Dems would give him what he wanted.

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  39. @Dr. X

    Pelosi: ‘Five white guys’ leading DACA talks should open a ‘hamburger stand’
     
    This neatly explains why I will never, ever vote Democrat, not even for dogcatcher. The Democratic Party is completely given over to anti-white, anti-male identity politics. The idea that the leader of the House Democrats and the former Speaker could so easily sneer out "white guys" as as a derogatory epithet, insulting her own Whip in the process, is incredible.

    The fact that she would say it in the context of allowing untold numbers of blacks and browns from Third World shitholes into this country is even more astounding.

    It's crystal clear that the Democrats simply hate people like me... what I can't fathom is there remain white men out there who will still vote Democrat, somehow thinking that aiding and abetting their own political and cultural extinction is a morally superior position. How do you explain that? Stockholm Syndrome? I dunno.

    “It’s crystal clear that the Democrats simply hate people like me.”

    Indeed. In The Current Year, Democrats are the New Nazis and Whites are the New Jews.

    The only thing holding off the New Holocaust is the that this time, the New Jews are armed.

    Sadly, the New Jews’ cousins in Old Europe are facing their own New Nazis. And those New Jews are not armed…

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    The only thing holding off the New Holocaust is the that this time, the New Jews are armed.
     
    Governors Brown and Cuomo are doing a pretty good job of disarming their future victims...
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  40. @Buck
    That's the Senate deal? Did they consult any Republicans? Basically, the Senate sold the farm in exchange for a new fence around the farm. Mitch McConnell needs to go. Will someone in Kentucky please move a Dreamer into Mitch's house while he's in Washington so he'll get the message.

    Again, one should not expect anything else from our rubber-stamp figurehead Congress. It’s all kayfabe; the Republicans’ job is to put on a good enough show of opposing Democrats to delude the masses unhappy with Leftist “progress” that their vote still matters and can accomplish anything, then lose “with dignity.” Because whatever it says on paper, our Congress-critters don’t actually have the power to do or be anything more than that — all real power belongs to “the Swamp”, and nobody and nothing can change that but civilizational collapse.

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  41. @Dave Pinsen
    How can anyone call himself black pilled today?

    The emperor's buck naked on immigration, and the establishment's clutching pearls because Trump pointed it out? Glorious.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/951591009468764160

    How can anyone call himself black pilled today?

    The emperor’s buck naked on immigration, and the establishment’s clutching pearls because Trump pointed it out? Glorious.

    Except that doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t matter how much us common masses know the truth, and oppose immigration. The Establishment’s will is supreme. Anything Trump manages to accomplish over their opposition will all be undone and then some come the moment he’s out of office.

    And as for the analogy to “The Emperor’s New Clothes,” the ending of that story is totally implausable. A properly realistic ending would be the little brat and his parents being publically executed for treason, and everyone else taking the example to heart and doubling down on praising the Emperor’s fine raiment.

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  42. @J.Ross
    So we have more than one problem to fix, not news.

    Except there’s no sign of any achievable solution in reach for many of those problems.

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    What is the point of telling people that there is no point? Normally the point of criticizing a particular goal or method is to refocus attention to a better one. Here we are talking about our existence. There isn't a limbo we can go to and complain about the food. I want to die like a Polack and not like a Frank (or whatever nation you are disappointing with your eeyorism). Telling me that I will one day die supplies no new information nor does it substantively critique my plans.
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  43. @Dr. X

    Pelosi: ‘Five white guys’ leading DACA talks should open a ‘hamburger stand’
     
    This neatly explains why I will never, ever vote Democrat, not even for dogcatcher. The Democratic Party is completely given over to anti-white, anti-male identity politics. The idea that the leader of the House Democrats and the former Speaker could so easily sneer out "white guys" as as a derogatory epithet, insulting her own Whip in the process, is incredible.

    The fact that she would say it in the context of allowing untold numbers of blacks and browns from Third World shitholes into this country is even more astounding.

    It's crystal clear that the Democrats simply hate people like me... what I can't fathom is there remain white men out there who will still vote Democrat, somehow thinking that aiding and abetting their own political and cultural extinction is a morally superior position. How do you explain that? Stockholm Syndrome? I dunno.

    It’s crystal clear that the Democrats simply hate people like me…

    Yes, and they’re going to increasingly act on that hate, and since they’re the elite, there’s nothing we can do to stop it.

    How do you explain that?

    Outbreeding. White folks from inside the Hajnal line simply aren’t wired for “tribal loyalty,” and too much the “individualist” to take their own side.

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  44. @Ali Choudhury
    Per the Michael Wolff book, Trump was quite happy to keep and even expand the H1-B visa program since the tech CEOs he was meeting were very keen on it. And if there is one group that Trump likes to impress it is billionaires and CEOs.

    Since Bannon has been thoroughly exorcised, Trump is going to govern like Jared, Ivanka, Gary Cohn and Dina Powell want him to i.e. like an NYC Democrat. His ideal of a politician is not Andrew Jackson but a deal-maker like LBJ. The final immigration deal is going to massively annoy anti-immigrationists as Trump is a dotard-child whose biggest goal is a positive write-up in the New York Times.

    As a lifelong NY’er I can say you have zero idea what you’re talking about. Trump gets that the NYT has seen better days (he calls it the failing NYT all the time)

    If anything, he’s made the liberal media one of his major targets. He’s not looking for their imprimatur.

    And a NY Democrat these days is the equivalent of a Marxist. Other than POCs, there are very few people in NY interested in city politics. It’s viewed very unfavorably by most who aren’t looking for handouts, which is why the voter turnout here is obscenely low.

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    Extract from the Wolff book:

    There was Hope Hicks and the president, living in what other West Wingers characterised as an alternative universe in which the mainstream media would yet discover the charm and wisdom of Donald Trump. Where past presidents might have spent portions of their day talking about the needs, desires and points of leverage among various members of Congress, the president and Hicks spent a great deal of time talking about a fixed cast of media personalities, trying to second-guess the real agendas and weak spots among cable anchors and producers and Times and Post reporters.

    Often the focus of this otherworldly ambition was directed at Times reporter Maggie Haberman. Haberman’s front-page beat at the paper, which might be called the “weirdness of Donald Trump” beat, involved producing vivid tales of eccentricities, questionable behaviour and shit the president says, told in a knowing, deadpan style. Beyond acknowledging that Trump was a boy from Queens yet in awe of the Times, nobody in the West Wing could explain why he and Hicks would so often turn to Haberman for what would so reliably be a mocking and hurtful portrayal. There was some feeling that Trump was returning to scenes of past success: the Times might be against him, but Haberman had worked at the New York Post for many years. “She’s very professional,” Conway said, speaking in defence of the president and trying to justify Haberman’s extraordinary access. But however intent he remained on getting good ink in the Times, the president saw Haberman as “mean and horrible”. And yet, on a near-weekly basis, he and Hicks plotted when next to have the Times come in.
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  45. The food is terrible! And the portions are so small!!

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  46. @Anonymous
    I don't understand the "hamburger stand" comment. What is that supposed to mean?

    In the 1950′s, when Pelosi was young, a common putdown of someone incompetent was, “couldn’t run a hamburger stand.” At least here in SF. Giants announcer Russ Hodges used to say that.

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  47. @neutral
    The problem with wanting immigrants from places like Norway is that:
    1) They have small population numbers and low fertility rates, so they are not going to be able to send many.
    2) Places like Norway already have sizable third world populations, so it could be Somalians that are coming from Norway instead of Norwegians.

    We do not need immigrants.

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  48. @Ali Choudhury
    Per the Michael Wolff book, Trump was quite happy to keep and even expand the H1-B visa program since the tech CEOs he was meeting were very keen on it. And if there is one group that Trump likes to impress it is billionaires and CEOs.

    Since Bannon has been thoroughly exorcised, Trump is going to govern like Jared, Ivanka, Gary Cohn and Dina Powell want him to i.e. like an NYC Democrat. His ideal of a politician is not Andrew Jackson but a deal-maker like LBJ. The final immigration deal is going to massively annoy anti-immigrationists as Trump is a dotard-child whose biggest goal is a positive write-up in the New York Times.

    How about pointing to what he has done, instead of what he has said? Oh, I forgot, you don’t deal in what is, you deal in what you want.

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  49. This clip encapsulates my feelings on Trump’s comment:

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  50. @Kevin C.
    Except there's no sign of any achievable solution in reach for many of those problems.

    What is the point of telling people that there is no point? Normally the point of criticizing a particular goal or method is to refocus attention to a better one. Here we are talking about our existence. There isn’t a limbo we can go to and complain about the food. I want to die like a Polack and not like a Frank (or whatever nation you are disappointing with your eeyorism). Telling me that I will one day die supplies no new information nor does it substantively critique my plans.

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    Telling me that I will one day die supplies no new information nor does it substantively critique my plans.
     
    Show me where you've laid out said plans, and I'll substantively critique them.

    What is the point of telling people that there is no point?
     
    To inform them, because surely truth is innately superior to falsehood, even when deeply unpleasant? To keep them from wasting time and energy on plans that cannot possibly succeed, and likely provoking a backlash that will accelerate our doom and possibly hurt me and people I care about, rather than allowing the really bad stuff to come only after I'm dead? Because things can always be made worse.

    Normally the point of criticizing a particular goal or method is to refocus attention to a better one.
     
    See, I don't really get this. If I can see how a particular method is utterly doomed to failure, why should I refrain from pointing this out, just because I don't have a better one? If you saw plans for a bridge, and noticed that said bridge will clearly and obviously collapse, would you keep quiet about it just because you don't have blueprints of your own?

    or whatever nation you are disappointing with your eeyorism
     
    The USA, specifically our great frozen north portion.
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  51. @Thomas
    As usual, I can't tell whether Trump is an idiot, a savant, or both. He is after all getting his enemies to repeat the phrase "shithole countries," uncensored, over and over again, in reference to immigration. Scott Adams and other hypno-hoodoo-persuasion games-type nerds would be saying that's some 316d chess there.

    I assume that when the Gang of Six that went into this meeting realized (especially when they saw Tom Cotton and Bob Goodlatte there too) that their hope of buffaloing Trump into amnesty wasn't going to happen, might as well blow up any hope of a DACA deal and blame Trump's "racism."

    Trump reminds me of a more jock-like version of Otter from Animal House: he knows just what to say to get under the opponent’s skin, is thoroughly enjoying himself no matter what he’s going through, is always zeroed in on the most important things (hot chicks), and instinctively knows when a situation is rigged against him and thus when it’s time to stop taking it seriously (e.g. the way Otter turns the disciplinary hearing that punishes them on its head is something akin to how Trump turns press conferences and press interviews into opportunities to drive them nuts).

    In fact, I think Trump gives many in the corporate media flashbacks to when they were younger and handsome, cocky dudes stole the attentions of the girl the media guys wanted to bang.

    Trump isn’t like most politicos who use embarrassing moments sparingly in sort of a gentlemen’s agreement. If you oppose him and he finds something that works to hurt you, he presses it relentlessly until you cry uncle. He’s realized how to make the corporate media squeal like pigs and instead of just doing it sparingly like a gentlemen who respects them he’s doing it like a man at war with them. And ti’s beautiful to watch, because this is not a gentelmen’s dog-and-pony show, this is war.

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  52. @Redman
    As a lifelong NY’er I can say you have zero idea what you’re talking about. Trump gets that the NYT has seen better days (he calls it the failing NYT all the time)

    If anything, he’s made the liberal media one of his major targets. He’s not looking for their imprimatur.

    And a NY Democrat these days is the equivalent of a Marxist. Other than POCs, there are very few people in NY interested in city politics. It’s viewed very unfavorably by most who aren’t looking for handouts, which is why the voter turnout here is obscenely low.

    Extract from the Wolff book:

    There was Hope Hicks and the president, living in what other West Wingers characterised as an alternative universe in which the mainstream media would yet discover the charm and wisdom of Donald Trump. Where past presidents might have spent portions of their day talking about the needs, desires and points of leverage among various members of Congress, the president and Hicks spent a great deal of time talking about a fixed cast of media personalities, trying to second-guess the real agendas and weak spots among cable anchors and producers and Times and Post reporters.

    Often the focus of this otherworldly ambition was directed at Times reporter Maggie Haberman. Haberman’s front-page beat at the paper, which might be called the “weirdness of Donald Trump” beat, involved producing vivid tales of eccentricities, questionable behaviour and shit the president says, told in a knowing, deadpan style. Beyond acknowledging that Trump was a boy from Queens yet in awe of the Times, nobody in the West Wing could explain why he and Hicks would so often turn to Haberman for what would so reliably be a mocking and hurtful portrayal. There was some feeling that Trump was returning to scenes of past success: the Times might be against him, but Haberman had worked at the New York Post for many years. “She’s very professional,” Conway said, speaking in defence of the president and trying to justify Haberman’s extraordinary access. But however intent he remained on getting good ink in the Times, the president saw Haberman as “mean and horrible”. And yet, on a near-weekly basis, he and Hicks plotted when next to have the Times come in.

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    >Extract from Wolff book
    Okay.
    Let us know when you get to the part where Wolff documents that Trump is literally a Russian intelligence officer.
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  53. - It’s racist to demean sending countries.

    - But it’s also racist to send anyone back or even not let people in because these sending countries are so awful.

    Lol.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-shithole-countries.html

    This is where it starts to get cute:

    But the president’s vulgar language on a delicate issue left the fate of the broader immigration debate in limbo and had the potential to torpedo the chances of achieving the deal being sought to protect about 800,000 undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children. And they drew a backlash from Republican and Democratic lawmakers, many of whom called Mr. Trump’s utterances unacceptable at best and plainly racist at worst.

    Got that? Leftists are so concerned about “vulgar language” that they are willing to throw their non-white pets under the bus, is the subtext I’m getting with the “torpedo” talk.

    “This behavior is unacceptable from the leader of our nation,” Ms. Love went on in an emotional statement that noted her heritage and that her parents “never took a thing” from the government while achieving the American dream. “The president must apologize to both the American people and the nations he so wantonly maligned.”

    Meaning, Love knows lots of Haitians did take Whitey’s taxpayer money. Hence the talk of her family, and not Haitians.

    Really the whole thing is about leftists substituting racism for nationalism. Trump was talking about foreign countries, not races. And he’s right; we don’t need Haitians or Nigerians, and Haiti and Nigeria are shitholes.

    As the president, Mr. Trump has ordered a broad immigration crackdown while privately railing against immigrants from predominantly black countries

    Meaning, he has questioned, in the context of immigration policy, the wisdom of importing poverty from countries with low human capital.

    and has repeatedly stoked racial divisions, denouncing “both sides” for violence after a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., and singling out black athletes for failing to stand for the national anthem before their games.

    This would have legs if the NYT had called out Hussein in a similar tone for his stoking of racial conflicts. Would Big Media even have told us about Hussein’s “bitter clingers” comments if a recording hadn’t emerged? Have they ever criticized how routinely he sided with Blacks, stoked BLM and helped set off the Ferguson Effect, etc?

    When the discussion turned to African nations, the people with knowledge of the conversation added, Mr. Trump asked why he would want “all these people from shithole countries,” adding that the United States should admit more people from places like Norway.

    About 83 percent of Norway’s population is ethnic Norwegian, according to a 2017 C.I.A. fact book, making the country overwhelmingly white.

    Norway is also, notably, not a shithole. Well, not insofar as it is actually Norwegian, anyway.

    But it was the language he used that shocked and appalled many lawmakers and created a public outcry — the vulgar phrase Mr. Trump uttered quickly began trending on Twitter — overshadowing the substance of the DACA talks, and with it, the future of the immigrants at risk of deportation should those discussions fail.

    I bet the story is getting a lot more eyeballs now. I wonder how many Democrats will wind up reading about this flap, decide to learn more, and ultimately wind up on our side of the issue – salty language or no?

    The meeting had gotten off to a grim start after Mr. Durbin and Mr. Graham, who had been summoned by Mr. Trump to discuss their compromise proposal, arrived to find a gaggle of Republicans they had not expected, including immigration hard-liners who have been skeptical of a DACA deal, filing into the room to discuss the plan.

    Lol.

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  54. Me neither. But the deal looks like a loser.

    Wasn’t this supposed to be setting up the Dems as the bad guy if DACA is scrapped? Can’t Trump say he offered DACA despite the critique from his base, and the Dems would give him what he wanted.

    That might be why Trump is talking trash; get as many eyeballs on the story so voters know why the upcoming gov’t shutdown flap is really happening, as opposed to Big Media’s bullshit stories.

    He is after all getting his enemies to repeat the phrase “shithole countries,” uncensored, over and over again, in reference to immigration.

    Yyyyyeep.

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  55. @Almost Missouri

    "It’s crystal clear that the Democrats simply hate people like me."
     
    Indeed. In The Current Year, Democrats are the New Nazis and Whites are the New Jews.

    The only thing holding off the New Holocaust is the that this time, the New Jews are armed.

    Sadly, the New Jews' cousins in Old Europe are facing their own New Nazis. And those New Jews are not armed...

    The only thing holding off the New Holocaust is the that this time, the New Jews are armed.

    Governors Brown and Cuomo are doing a pretty good job of disarming their future victims…

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  56. Trump derides protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries

    Trump’s comments Thursday also put further scrutiny on his long-standing tendency to make racially charged remarks — including attacks on protesting black athletes and his claim that there were fine people “on both sides” after neo-Nazis rioted in Charlottesville, Va.

    A refreshingly bald-faced lie from the Post; usually they stick to deception via shyster language, omission, etc. The antifas were the rioters, and they attacked the rightists.

    Is there even one clip of a single rightist attacking local property? Burning anything down? No. Just footage of rightists defending themselves from violent antifa scum.

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    A refreshingly bald-faced lie from the Post
     
    They've got their own Overton windows to shift. The MSM is now most of the way toward that particular lie becoming the Official Record. You can do that when you own the Record-Keeping apparatus.
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  57. @27 year old
    The shithole countries comment doesn't seem nearly as based in light of that tweet about what kind of "deal" is taking shape. But, as always, wait and see.

    NumbersUSA is ok with the Senate deal, if I understand correctly. Good enough for me.

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    I got a numbers usa email today too. I believe it said they supported the House bill currently being put up. It is the FAR more right-wing answer to the Senate sell-out. For example, it only gives Dreamers 3 yr renewable permits, no path to citizenship. They are trying to put it up so they have more leverage when the bill goes to conference.
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  58. @neutral
    The problem with wanting immigrants from places like Norway is that:
    1) They have small population numbers and low fertility rates, so they are not going to be able to send many.
    2) Places like Norway already have sizable third world populations, so it could be Somalians that are coming from Norway instead of Norwegians.

    Bhutan has a population of about 800K, and it has been sending between 5 to 10 K immigrants/refugees to the US for the last 7 years or so. Norway has 5.3 million, I’m sure you could find 5K or so ethnic Norwegians that want to immigrate to the US.

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  59. @neutral
    The problem with wanting immigrants from places like Norway is that:
    1) They have small population numbers and low fertility rates, so they are not going to be able to send many.
    2) Places like Norway already have sizable third world populations, so it could be Somalians that are coming from Norway instead of Norwegians.

    I don’t want any Norwegians coming here and putting up those smarmy “Hate is not welcome here” yard signs like their ethnic kinsman do in a certain Great Lakes region college town.

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    I want some Norwegians. They are among the world's most beautiful people.
    (see: Arlene Dahl, Marilyn Monroe, Linda Evans...)
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  60. @Kevin C.

    the Establishment’s logic is simple: White Guys Bad.
     
    And the Establishment is sovereign and supreme, and they'll keep on getting their way no matter the opposition. There's nothing we can do. Things are only ever going to keep getting worse. We are doomed and nothing can save us. There is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope.

    And the Establishment is sovereign and supreme, and they’ll keep on getting their way no matter the opposition. There’s nothing we can do. Things are only ever going to keep getting worse. We are doomed and nothing can save us. There is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope.

    We hear you loud and clear. I don’t think you need to repeat the mantra again, unless, of course, someone is paying you to repeat it endlessly.

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    Which I think is the case.
    , @Kevin C.

    I don’t think you need to repeat the mantra again
     
    Except that plenty of books and talks on persuasion emphasize the importance of repitition in getting a message to stick. And, I mean, ending every speech with "Carthago delenda est" worked for Cato the Elder.

    unless, of course, someone is paying you
     
    If only. Living off SSI disability (for crippling mental illness, autism, and sensorimotor dysfunctions), I could really use the money.
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  61. @anon
    For the record, I've never found Five Guys to be all that great. It's pretty expensive for what you get, and most of them don't even have beer.

    But it's one of those places that, if you're going out to lunch with a bunch of people, and there's one within about five miles, someone invariably suggests going there.

    In fact, one could call the Five Guys here near me a shithole fast-food joint. I like the term, it’s impossible to spin.

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  62. If Haiti is such a “shithole” then why do the elites like the Clintons go there when they want sex with 8-year-olds?

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  63. 5 Guys? We can’t we get In N Out in the east. It’s a privately held company and they do not want to overexpand too soon and end up like the mess that is now Subway.

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    In-N-Out are fundies and are not all that money motivated, for better or worse.

    In the 80s all the jackmobiles in the Midwest had the INO sticker,usually modified by removing the B and R from “burger”. So they changed the sticker so you couldn’t do that.
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  64. @Ali Choudhury
    Extract from the Wolff book:

    There was Hope Hicks and the president, living in what other West Wingers characterised as an alternative universe in which the mainstream media would yet discover the charm and wisdom of Donald Trump. Where past presidents might have spent portions of their day talking about the needs, desires and points of leverage among various members of Congress, the president and Hicks spent a great deal of time talking about a fixed cast of media personalities, trying to second-guess the real agendas and weak spots among cable anchors and producers and Times and Post reporters.

    Often the focus of this otherworldly ambition was directed at Times reporter Maggie Haberman. Haberman’s front-page beat at the paper, which might be called the “weirdness of Donald Trump” beat, involved producing vivid tales of eccentricities, questionable behaviour and shit the president says, told in a knowing, deadpan style. Beyond acknowledging that Trump was a boy from Queens yet in awe of the Times, nobody in the West Wing could explain why he and Hicks would so often turn to Haberman for what would so reliably be a mocking and hurtful portrayal. There was some feeling that Trump was returning to scenes of past success: the Times might be against him, but Haberman had worked at the New York Post for many years. “She’s very professional,” Conway said, speaking in defence of the president and trying to justify Haberman’s extraordinary access. But however intent he remained on getting good ink in the Times, the president saw Haberman as “mean and horrible”. And yet, on a near-weekly basis, he and Hicks plotted when next to have the Times come in.

    >Extract from Wolff book
    Okay.
    Let us know when you get to the part where Wolff documents that Trump is literally a Russian intelligence officer.

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  65. @Inquiring Mind
    I don't want any Norwegians coming here and putting up those smarmy "Hate is not welcome here" yard signs like their ethnic kinsman do in a certain Great Lakes region college town.

    I want some Norwegians. They are among the world’s most beautiful people.
    (see: Arlene Dahl, Marilyn Monroe, Linda Evans…)

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  66. @Laugh Track

    And the Establishment is sovereign and supreme, and they’ll keep on getting their way no matter the opposition. There’s nothing we can do. Things are only ever going to keep getting worse. We are doomed and nothing can save us. There is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope.
     
    We hear you loud and clear. I don't think you need to repeat the mantra again, unless, of course, someone is paying you to repeat it endlessly.

    Which I think is the case.

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  67. @Laugh Track

    And the Establishment is sovereign and supreme, and they’ll keep on getting their way no matter the opposition. There’s nothing we can do. Things are only ever going to keep getting worse. We are doomed and nothing can save us. There is no hope, there is no hope, there is no hope.
     
    We hear you loud and clear. I don't think you need to repeat the mantra again, unless, of course, someone is paying you to repeat it endlessly.

    I don’t think you need to repeat the mantra again

    Except that plenty of books and talks on persuasion emphasize the importance of repitition in getting a message to stick. And, I mean, ending every speech with “Carthago delenda est” worked for Cato the Elder.

    unless, of course, someone is paying you

    If only. Living off SSI disability (for crippling mental illness, autism, and sensorimotor dysfunctions), I could really use the money.

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  68. @Dov
    NumbersUSA is ok with the Senate deal, if I understand correctly. Good enough for me.

    I got a numbers usa email today too. I believe it said they supported the House bill currently being put up. It is the FAR more right-wing answer to the Senate sell-out. For example, it only gives Dreamers 3 yr renewable permits, no path to citizenship. They are trying to put it up so they have more leverage when the bill goes to conference.

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    You are absolutely right. They were not referring to the travesty put forth by Flake, Graham, etc. Thank you for the correction.
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  69. @J.Ross
    What is the point of telling people that there is no point? Normally the point of criticizing a particular goal or method is to refocus attention to a better one. Here we are talking about our existence. There isn't a limbo we can go to and complain about the food. I want to die like a Polack and not like a Frank (or whatever nation you are disappointing with your eeyorism). Telling me that I will one day die supplies no new information nor does it substantively critique my plans.

    Telling me that I will one day die supplies no new information nor does it substantively critique my plans.

    Show me where you’ve laid out said plans, and I’ll substantively critique them.

    What is the point of telling people that there is no point?

    To inform them, because surely truth is innately superior to falsehood, even when deeply unpleasant? To keep them from wasting time and energy on plans that cannot possibly succeed, and likely provoking a backlash that will accelerate our doom and possibly hurt me and people I care about, rather than allowing the really bad stuff to come only after I’m dead? Because things can always be made worse.

    Normally the point of criticizing a particular goal or method is to refocus attention to a better one.

    See, I don’t really get this. If I can see how a particular method is utterly doomed to failure, why should I refrain from pointing this out, just because I don’t have a better one? If you saw plans for a bridge, and noticed that said bridge will clearly and obviously collapse, would you keep quiet about it just because you don’t have blueprints of your own?

    or whatever nation you are disappointing with your eeyorism

    The USA, specifically our great frozen north portion.

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  70. If only. Living off SSI disability (for crippling mental illness, autism, and sensorimotor dysfunctions), I could really use the money.

    Plz add the quoted text to ur mantra.

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  71. To inform them, because surely truth is innately superior to falsehood, even when deeply unpleasant? To keep them from wasting time and energy on plans that cannot possibly succeed, and likely provoking a backlash that will accelerate our doom and possibly hurt me and people I care about, rather than allowing the really bad stuff to come only after I’m dead? Because things can always be made worse.

    Does your neuro-issue render you incapable of distinguishing your opinions from facts, truth, etc?

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  72. @jonomd
    I got a numbers usa email today too. I believe it said they supported the House bill currently being put up. It is the FAR more right-wing answer to the Senate sell-out. For example, it only gives Dreamers 3 yr renewable permits, no path to citizenship. They are trying to put it up so they have more leverage when the bill goes to conference.

    You are absolutely right. They were not referring to the travesty put forth by Flake, Graham, etc. Thank you for the correction.

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  73. If Haiti is such a “shithole” then why do the elites like the Clintons go there when they want sex with 8-year-olds?

    To ask is to answer…

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  74. See, I don’t really get this. If I can see how a particular method is utterly doomed to failure, why should I refrain from pointing this out, just because I don’t have a better one? If you saw plans for a bridge, and noticed that said bridge will clearly and obviously collapse, would you keep quiet about it just because you don’t have blueprints of your own?

    If I was on an island about to sink into the ocean and the bridge plan was our only way off the island, yes, I’d consider you an ass (I’m being very kind here) for trying to dissuade people from building it, just because in your opinion (sans math), it couldn’t possibly work. The people gathering the materials to build the bridge would rightly tell you to *&!# off to the other side of the island.

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  75. Then there are the related issues, like building group identity that comes from rallying around even a lost cause, that seem lost on you because depression or whatever.

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  76. That sounds like bad news.

    Yup:

    Most commenters on this blog assume Trump is negotiating with the Democrats. But it may be that from Trump’s perspective, he’s negotiating with the electorate. That’s something to keep in mind when thinking about the God-Emperor-Deal-cutter.

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  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
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    For the record, I've never found Five Guys to be all that great. It's pretty expensive for what you get, and most of them don't even have beer.

    But it's one of those places that, if you're going out to lunch with a bunch of people, and there's one within about five miles, someone invariably suggests going there.

    Five Guys serves medium thick well done burgers, IOW dry hockey pucks completely dependent on the cheese and condiments for flavor and chewability.

    If you have to grill burger well done, the only good way is like Steak & Shake does it, smashed flat and thin. But you don’t spend $13 for a well done burger, fries and a fountain soft drink.

    In Kansas bars have to do a certain percent of their gross in food. You can get a half pound burger usually cooked as you like with a side and soft drink cheaper.

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    I wonder if different Five Guys franchises cook their burgers differently. Because the couple that I've been to do smash their burgers flat and thin. You also get way more fries than necessary, if you're into that sort of thing (the cajun fries are pretty good).

    My experience is that Five Guys is way superior to Steak & Shake. And every Steak & Shake I've been to has had terrible service. The only thing good about it is the shakes.

    As far as fast food hamburgers go, I would put Five Guys first, followed by Shake Shack.

    But, de gustibus non est disputandum.
    , @J.Ross
    A while back on 4chan a prospective British tourist was advised by Americans, no matter where you visit in the US, avoid the chains, and get a burger at a bar.
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  78. @Bugg
    5 Guys? We can't we get In N Out in the east. It's a privately held company and they do not want to overexpand too soon and end up like the mess that is now Subway.

    In-N-Out are fundies and are not all that money motivated, for better or worse.

    In the 80s all the jackmobiles in the Midwest had the INO sticker,usually modified by removing the B and R from “burger”. So they changed the sticker so you couldn’t do that.

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  79. @Svigor
    Trump derides protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries

    Trump’s comments Thursday also put further scrutiny on his long-standing tendency to make racially charged remarks — including attacks on protesting black athletes and his claim that there were fine people “on both sides” after neo-Nazis rioted in Charlottesville, Va.
     
    A refreshingly bald-faced lie from the Post; usually they stick to deception via shyster language, omission, etc. The antifas were the rioters, and they attacked the rightists.

    Is there even one clip of a single rightist attacking local property? Burning anything down? No. Just footage of rightists defending themselves from violent antifa scum.

    A refreshingly bald-faced lie from the Post

    They’ve got their own Overton windows to shift. The MSM is now most of the way toward that particular lie becoming the Official Record. You can do that when you own the Record-Keeping apparatus.

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  80. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Actually, Pelosi's comment is humorous.

    In my experience, people who use the word “humorous” don’t know what’s funny and what isn’t. It’s as self-cancelling an expression as “classy.”

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  81. @Anonymous
    Five Guys serves medium thick well done burgers, IOW dry hockey pucks completely dependent on the cheese and condiments for flavor and chewability.

    If you have to grill burger well done, the only good way is like Steak & Shake does it, smashed flat and thin. But you don’t spend $13 for a well done burger, fries and a fountain soft drink.

    In Kansas bars have to do a certain percent of their gross in food. You can get a half pound burger usually cooked as you like with a side and soft drink cheaper.

    I wonder if different Five Guys franchises cook their burgers differently. Because the couple that I’ve been to do smash their burgers flat and thin. You also get way more fries than necessary, if you’re into that sort of thing (the cajun fries are pretty good).

    My experience is that Five Guys is way superior to Steak & Shake. And every Steak & Shake I’ve been to has had terrible service. The only thing good about it is the shakes.

    As far as fast food hamburgers go, I would put Five Guys first, followed by Shake Shack.

    But, de gustibus non est disputandum.

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    Steak and Shake stores have been very variable for service quality in the last few years. At one time they were all very well run but that time is a long while ago. There are three of them within reasonable range of where I live. One is so bad I will not go there ever, one is OK during business hours and one gives consistently good service. They have all been like this since Bush was president (such as he was).

    Five Guys has a walk up counter and you pick up your food when the number is called. Steak and Shake has waitresses. My only beef with Five Guys is that I don't like well done medium thick burgers. The meat is probably good.

    There is no reason to sell only well done burgers in a place of this type besides not trusting your kitchen staff to handle the food properly. Red Robin was this way but I understand they have changed somewhat.
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  82. @Kevin C.
    The two are of course connected, because there is simply no way someone who wasn't "such a lousy mouthpiece" would ever be allowed to be nominated, let alone take office.

    I think you’re right. For example, I doubt Tancredo could have gotten nominated. Or Buchanan, assuming he was younger.

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  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ian M.
    I wonder if different Five Guys franchises cook their burgers differently. Because the couple that I've been to do smash their burgers flat and thin. You also get way more fries than necessary, if you're into that sort of thing (the cajun fries are pretty good).

    My experience is that Five Guys is way superior to Steak & Shake. And every Steak & Shake I've been to has had terrible service. The only thing good about it is the shakes.

    As far as fast food hamburgers go, I would put Five Guys first, followed by Shake Shack.

    But, de gustibus non est disputandum.

    Steak and Shake stores have been very variable for service quality in the last few years. At one time they were all very well run but that time is a long while ago. There are three of them within reasonable range of where I live. One is so bad I will not go there ever, one is OK during business hours and one gives consistently good service. They have all been like this since Bush was president (such as he was).

    Five Guys has a walk up counter and you pick up your food when the number is called. Steak and Shake has waitresses. My only beef with Five Guys is that I don’t like well done medium thick burgers. The meat is probably good.

    There is no reason to sell only well done burgers in a place of this type besides not trusting your kitchen staff to handle the food properly. Red Robin was this way but I understand they have changed somewhat.

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    They have all been like this since Bush was president (such as he was).

    Meet Steak n' Shake's CEO from 2008 onward, Sardar Biglari:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardar_Biglari

    What, were you expecting that hamburger restaurant would be run by someone with a name like "Gus Belt"? What does a guy with a name like "Gus Belt" know about hamburgers?

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  84. @Anonymous
    Five Guys serves medium thick well done burgers, IOW dry hockey pucks completely dependent on the cheese and condiments for flavor and chewability.

    If you have to grill burger well done, the only good way is like Steak & Shake does it, smashed flat and thin. But you don’t spend $13 for a well done burger, fries and a fountain soft drink.

    In Kansas bars have to do a certain percent of their gross in food. You can get a half pound burger usually cooked as you like with a side and soft drink cheaper.

    A while back on 4chan a prospective British tourist was advised by Americans, no matter where you visit in the US, avoid the chains, and get a burger at a bar.

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  85. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Steak and Shake stores have been very variable for service quality in the last few years. At one time they were all very well run but that time is a long while ago. There are three of them within reasonable range of where I live. One is so bad I will not go there ever, one is OK during business hours and one gives consistently good service. They have all been like this since Bush was president (such as he was).

    Five Guys has a walk up counter and you pick up your food when the number is called. Steak and Shake has waitresses. My only beef with Five Guys is that I don't like well done medium thick burgers. The meat is probably good.

    There is no reason to sell only well done burgers in a place of this type besides not trusting your kitchen staff to handle the food properly. Red Robin was this way but I understand they have changed somewhat.

    They have all been like this since Bush was president (such as he was).

    Meet Steak n’ Shake’s CEO from 2008 onward, Sardar Biglari:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardar_Biglari

    What, were you expecting that hamburger restaurant would be run by someone with a name like “Gus Belt”? What does a guy with a name like “Gus Belt” know about hamburgers?

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