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Kipling’s insanely brilliant short story “The Man Who Would Be King,” which he wrote at age 22, is about two British sergeants who journey to pagan Kafiristan in Afghanistan to introduce civilization in the form of modern warfare. But Daniel Dravot (Sean Connery in John Huston’s 1975 movie), upon becoming king of Kafiristan, notices that Kafiris are blonds who sit upon chairs like Europeans, and resolves to civilize them rather than pillage them, much to the dismay and disgust of Peachey Carnehan (Michael Caine)..

[Spoiler alert]

This turns out to be a bad idea:

John Huston wanted to direct his movie version in a fair part of Turkey, but American drug war politics got in the way. Huston, Connery, and Caine wound up in a dark part of Morocco, which vindicated the use of Caine’s dark Indian model wife as Dravot’s wife Roxanne

Dravot : Peachy, I’m heartily ashamed for gettin’ you killed instead of going home rich like you deserved to, on account of me bein’ so bleedin’ high and bloody mighty. Can you forgive me?

Peachy Carnehan : That I can and that I do, Danny, free and full and without let or hindrance.

Anyway, the new 19 year old 6’5″ Pakistani cricket star looks like Peachey Carnehan’s worst nightmare:

CC World Cup 2019: Shaheen Shah Afridi creates history, breaks 4 records and equals Tendulkar’s in one match against Bangladesh

No, Danny, he’s not like you and me!

 
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    Shah Afridi certainly doesn’t look like your usual (or any) Paki cab driver!

    • Replies: @Anon
  2. Probably the future president of Pakistan.

  3. ChrisZ says:

    “The Man Who Would Be King” and the great 1970s movie adaptation could be the official iSteve mascot.

    Familiarity with the story prepares you for this site. Familiarity with the site deepens your understanding of the story (and Kipling in general).

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  4. 68W58 says:

    At least in the movie things were going pretty well as far as civilizing the Kafiris until Danny decided he needed a queen (of course Alexander the Great had already done some of the heavy lifting for the Brits).

  5. John Huston wanted to direct his movie version in a fair part of Turkey, but American drug war politics got in the way.

    Can someone explain this?

  6. dearieme says:

    I dread to think what it’s like to face a genuinely fast bowler. Just in mucking-about cricket in Australia I once faced a chap whose fastest deliveries I couldn’t see. Luckily he had no interest in injuring me.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @Harold
  7. The Z Blog says: • Website

    There is a book I recommend called Heirs to Forgotten Kingdoms, which is about ancient religious sects that are still around today. The author travels to the homelands of these sects and describes their religion, its context and the current state of the people practicing it. One stop was in the Kalash.

    Look at pictures of the Kalash and they look European. Some of the Kalash people claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great’s soldiers, but genetics says this is unlikely. They are a unique genetic group for the region.

    • Replies: @Umberto
  8. Shah Afridi certainly doesn’t look like your usual (or any) Paki cab driver!

    At 6’5″, he’d need a sunroof.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  9. “Shaheen” sounds so, well, like another place with a green ensign.

    Shaheen Shah Afridi = Finer hashish ahead.

    • LOL: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @George
  10. Shaheen Shah Afridi should be kept in Pakistan. Sports and pop culture have for far too long been used to push globalization and mass immigration and multiculturalism and all manner of other ills and anti-White crud.

    New Hampshire has a US Senator with the surname Shaheen, but it is her maiden name. Shaheen got her surname by marriage to a Lebanese guy named Billy Shaheen.

    The internet says US Senator Jeanne Shaheen is a direct descendant of Pocahontas. I wonder if she gives US Senator Lizzie Borden Warren a big grin when she is eating her corn chips at lunch in the Senate dining room.

    US Senator Jeanne Shaheen voted in June of 2013 for the Rubio/Obama Illegal Alien Amnesty — Mass Legal Immigration Surge bill(S 744). That immigration bill would have doubled or tripled legal immigration and it would have given amnesty to upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders.

    • Replies: @Sextus Empiricus
  11. Carnehan brings up the Celtic Periphery Question.

    There is the Jew Question and the German Question and the African Question and the Offbrand Question, but nothing brings up so much joy as the Celtic Periphery Question.

    How aware were the Celts of their being swept along with the Anglo-Saxons and the Anglo-Normans in their imperial expansionist expeditions and wars of the British Empire?

    Did the Welsh and the Irish and the Scots and the Corn Waller types have a conception of being caught up in the imperial riptide of the Normans and the Teutonic peoples of England?

    The Celts scream all day long about the English, but I rather think the Celts like the English and they go along for the ride because they know the crazy English can always be counted on to cook up great fun and adventure. Except for Gallipoli, and Braddock’s Defeat and…a few other bits of British Empire fun gone bad.

  12. OFF TOPIC

    Presidential Candidate Pete Buttigieg Tries A Bit Of The AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY.

    Not gonna work, Pete!

    The AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY is to win the votes of Black lady voters in the South and other areas of high Black population concentration. Hillary Clinton used the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY to fend of Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democrat Party presidential primary campaign.

  13. bomag says:

    Charlie Sheen?

    • Agree: LondonBob
  14. Bill P says:

    When I was hanging out in Gansu in the late 90s I came across some really Aryan guys on the pilgrimmage trails. They looked like they came straight out of the 12th century. I have no idea at all what they were doing there, but they probably were similarly confused by my presence. I was about the same age as Kipling when he wrote that story.

    Anyway, I saw their features and blue eyes and just stared at them. Who the hell were these people with felt boots, capes and such sporting beards and blue eyes? Tajiks? I didn’t know and couldn’t talk to them anyway.

    They stared back, blinking. It was pretty weird. There was this racial familiarity but also a chasm between us.

    Incidentally, I knew some Afghans and Pakis in China and they were much more modern and culturally familiar despite being more typically subcontinental with a “wheatish” complexion.

    To this day, I wonder who these Aryans wandering around a Buddhist temple at 10,000 feet in a Tibetan area were. Central Asia is a very complicated place.

  15. His brother Riaz, also a cricket player, could pass for Italian.

  16. I’ve watched 2 or 3 historical Bollywood dramas where blondish “mountain barbarians” or cavemen show up. In Mohenjo Daro, the lead has to fight 2 in a gladiator type arena. Seems giant fair Central Asians are part of the Indian conscious.

  17. Even if all our “new Canadians” or “new Americans” looked as European as him, we’d still be handing over our only homelands to people encouraged to be our political enemies. Sarah Jeong and Jeet Heer would still be part of what’s now an anti-White coalition, even if everyone in Asia looked like Norwegians. We’d all simply be demonized as settlers, colonialists or squatters instead of Whites.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    , @HammerJack
  18. The segment in that movie where they are having a great time playing polo with the rival leader’s head is very entertaining. The movie makers should have done a cannibalism movie next.

    • Replies: @Alden
  19. It feels like it would require at least three years of diligent study to decipher those statistics. The Brits take a back seat to no one when it comes to the obscure.

    • Replies: @bomag
  20. @PiltdownMan

    He looks vaguely like the actor who played Tony Soprano’s troublesome nephew Chris Moltisanti.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  21. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:

    He’s from Landi Kotal, which is literally the Afghan-Pak border. His family might be refugees from the civil war in Afghanistan, which displaced many into northern Pak.

  22. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:

    What about Jeffrey Epstein?

  23. That’s Peachy Taliaferro Carnahan. Kipling may have been inspired to use the name from hearing about Peachy Ridgway Taliaferro.

  24. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Vaguely resembles Assad.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Harold
  25. Spangel says:
    @Bill P

    I’ve never been around there but in pictures, it is really eerie to look at someone who completely passes for white and know that their minds are somewhere in the medieval era. Collecting firewood to warm the house, trading a horse for a bride when the time comes.

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7ee5bf218bf1c694af7eeae541284edd-c

    From what I’ve seen in the us, I’ve met several Pakistanis professionally or in school who I had no idea were from Pakistan until they said so. Given the small size of many European nations, it might be that Pakistan contains vast millions more “white” people than several European countries.

    • Replies: @Anon
  26. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:

    The stockier physiques of whites mean that they’re naturally inferior fast bowlers but they can compensate with height.

    Of course if cricket were still popular in the West Indies, none of the cricket’s best fast bowlers would be white.

    • Replies: @RickinJax
  27. @Bill P

    Just say,”Howdy cousins”!

  28. @Bill P

    To this day, I wonder who these Aryans wandering around a Buddhist temple at 10,000 feet in a Tibetan area were. Central Asia is a very complicated place.

    Do you mean to say that they were native to the area?

    • Replies: @Bill P
  29. George says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The pictures of Pashtun people seem like they are or could pass as ‘white’. I think one reason the Afghan war was able to be kept going so long is superficially the people being killed looked white so pc America wasn’t bothered by it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @J.Ross
  30. we’re getting into Dennis Miller, Monday Night Football levels of obscure references and comparisons.

  31. LondonBob says:

    Put some black rimmed glasses on him and he would look like Ricky ‘Wild Thing’ Vaughn.

  32. And this is a surprise to you? You guys shore are provincial.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  33. @Bill P

    Albert von Le Coq, German archaeologist, was busy in this area early in the 20th Century. He interpreted many of these remains as being the works of Indo-European Tokharians, who had many quasi-Celtic features. However, they have since been identified as Sogdians. Sogdia was the most north-easterly Persian satrapy, situated just north of the present Afghanistan. It was taken over by Alexander the Great. Its inhabitants at the time were white, Aryan people as were the Tokharians. 2000 years ago, Central Asia was actually Eastern Europe. The inhabitants were white Indo-European speakers. It seems likely that the Aryan invaders of India sprang from this area.
    These Aryan peoples survived well into the 1st Millenium AD. Since then there has been miscegenation with Turkic speaking Mongolians and conquest in part by China. However, there are still pockets of very European-looking people in Central Asia and even more so in Iran and Afghanistan.

    From von Le Coq’s Wikipedia entry:

    Left image:Two Buddhist monks on a mural of the Bezeklik Thousand Buddha Caves near Turpan, Xinjiang, China, 9th century AD; although Albert von Le Coq (1913) assumed the blue-eyed, red-haired monk was a Tocharian,[2] modern scholarship has identified similar Caucasian figures of the same cave temple (No. 9) as ethnic Sogdians,[3] who inhabited Turpan as an ethnic minority community during the phases of Tang Chinese (7th–8th century) and Uyghur rule (9th–13th century).[4]
    Right image: Pranidhi scene, temple 9 (Cave 20), with kneeling figures praying in front of the Buddha who Albert von Le Coq assumed were Persian people (German: “Perser”), noting their Caucasian features and green eyes, as well as the donkey and Central-Asian Bactrian camel loaded with tributary goods.[5] However, modern scholarship has identified praṇidhi scenes of the same temple (No. 9) as depicting ethnic Sogdians,[3] an Eastern Iranian people who inhabited Turfan as an ethnic minority community during the phases of Tang Chinese (7th-8th century) and Uyghur rule (9th-13th century).[4]

    [MORE]

  34. bomag says:
    @Desiderius

    Agree.

    I’m reminded of a TV news story where they interviewed a Brit bell ringer who was relating the procedure of coordinating the eight or so people pulling ropes. Hilariously opaque.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  35. Peachey Carnehan and the case of the british milkman.

  36. Thud says: • Website

    A film along with Zulu that any decent Englishman should watch every year.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @PiltdownMan
    , @68W58
  37. OFF TOPIC

    Michael Tracey was minding his own business, perhaps meditating upon existential things or a cheeseburger with onion rings, and he got dragged into the vortex of the violent scorn that Steve Sailer and Ann Coulter have for women’s professional soccer.

    We should have known it would come to this — we had all the warning signs. But the shock of young puppy Michael Tracey being dragged into this emotionally distraught miasma of withering anti-women’s professional soccer animosity is very vexing.

    • Replies: @eah
  38. J James says:

    The rise of Afghanistan’s own cricket team is one of the few success stories of the western invasion. http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1183566/afghan–nomad–superstar
    If you look at their team photo, all the Afghan team are quite dark skinned. Not sure if they tend to come from a single ethnic group. Apparently tensions between Afghanistan and Pakistan teams can be quite high.
    Linked story also includes a shot of alleged Aussi Afghan cameleer Monga Khan, who looks pretty white in the (albeit black and white) photo. The history of the cameleers in Australia is itself quite interesting. Leftists often try to point to the cameleers as an example of islamic integration into Australian society, but if you look into the details it didn’t always turn out so great. Australia got its first jihadis long before the rest of the west https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_cameleers_in_Australia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill
    I believe there were other Jihad incidents but they seem to have been memory holed by the internet.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
  39. coming across uber-european (especially nordic) looking tribals in Afghanistan/Pakistan is always a jarring culture shock to me when witnessing their militant religiosity, tribalism, and patriarchy , given the polar opposite attitudes more commonly encountered from people who ‘look like that’ (i.e. northern euros).

  40. mungerite says:

    OT: following up on the hilarious Detroit event that charged $20 more for people who think they happen to inhabit non-black/brown bodies (or whatever the term of art is this week) …

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/07/us/afrofuture-fest-tiny-jag.html

    Some of the more precious quotes, which oddly enough all sound like Jussie Smollett said them:

    “For safety, not anything else but that, the new ticket structure will be a standard set price across the board of $20,” Ms. Ayers said Sunday afternoon. “However, there will be a suggested donation for non-people of color.”

    (non-people!)

    The old pricing structure was “discriminatory” and could have resulted in lawsuits, said Tiffany Ellis, a Detroit-based civil rights lawyer. But, she said, private organizations have some leeway to choose who they are going to do business with and how they do that business.

    “We have constitutional rights as an individual, and the 14th Amendment provides that we cannot be discriminated against because all people are created equal,” Ms. Ellis said Sunday. “When it’s a private actor, those protections are different.”

    I’m sorry, this didn’t get garbled enough. Would you mind repeating that?

    “The farm Feedom Freedom is in full support,” Ms. Ayers said. “Our supporters are all here. I want to make it clear that a lot of people in the city of Detroit, especially the Detroit art scene, are supportive of what we’re doing.”

    Good to know!

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Alden
  41. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spangel

    Wealthy Pakis sometimes have a bit of Middle Eastern ancestry, so they can sometomes look Iranian or Arab. However, even light Pakis usually have South Asian features.

    99% of Pakis look like Indians.

    Afridi is very much an exception, especially coming from the border next to Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Spangel
  42. @Anon

    What about Jeffrey Epstein?

    Epstein has a place in Manhattan with 21,000 square feet. Epstein bought the place from the guy who owns Victoria’s Secret and other brands, Les Wexner.

    Wexner was a big donor backer of baby boomer globalizer bastards Mitt Romney and Jebby Bush.

    Jim Comey’s daughter might be prosecuting the Epstein case as a federal prosecutor.

    New York City Irish guy becomes FBI Director and then his daughter prosecutes Jew money-grubber sicko who sexually attacks girls. Sidney Lumet movie in there somewhere!

    NY Times:

    Prosecutors said they were moving to seize Mr. Epstein’s townhouse.

    Mr. Epstein, however, was not even supposed to become the owner of the opulent stone house on the Upper East Side.

    In 1989, Mr. Epstein’s mentor, Leslie H. Wexner, the founder and chairman of L Brands, the parent company of Victoria’s Secret and Bath & Body Works, bought the seven-story home for $13.2 million. At the time, it was the highest recorded sale price for a townhouse in Manhattan.

    Mr. Wexner then spent at least that much on artwork, furnishings and renovations for the home. Security devices, including a network of cameras, were installed. A cellar was divided into separate spaces, one for red wines and another for white.

    The townhouse had been a longtime private school and Mr. Wexner spent years converting it into a lavish estate.

    Mr. Wexner, however, never moved; he decided to stay in Columbus, Ohio, where L Brands has its headquarters.

    But another person did move in: Mr. Epstein. “Les never spent more than two months there,” Mr. Epstein told The New York Times in 1996.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-nyc-mansion.html

  43. Many, if not most, of Kipling’s stories set in colonial India are, in the apt words of our host, “insanely brilliant.”

    A couple of my favorites: “Beyond the Pale” and “The Strange Ride of Morrowbie Jukes.”

  44. LondonBob says:
    @Thud

    Zulu and The Man who Would be King were always on TV around Christmas, haven’t noticed them so much recently, maybe it is just TV rights thing, or maybe they have fallen foul of the PC censors.

  45. The Afridis are a Pathan tribe. I wonder which sub-group Shaheen belongs to?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afridi

  46. jim jones says:
    @dearieme

    I was hit square between the eyes by a cricket ball at school, had no long term effects on me haha.

  47. @J James

    An amazing story. Good luck to them. The constant roiling crowd violence in their game against Pakistan was funny. I mean who would have predicted that?

  48. eah says:

    OT (involves Indians, but has nothing to do with cricket)

    • Replies: @eah
  49. eah says:
    @eah

  50. Paul Rise says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Because hollywood production teams are drug fiends and Huston didnt want to film in a country with harsh drug laws like turkey.

  51. MEH 0910 says:

    Can you forgive me? (The Man Who Would Be King)

  52. eah says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    People in Europe care about women’s soccer (not at the same level as men’s of course) — go to eg Wikipedia and review the rosters of the teams at this year’s Frauen Weltmeisterschaft (link) — look at the players and their club affiliations, particularly of the women on the European teams — many play in leagues and on women’s teams directly associated with the biggest clubs in Europe — eg the Netherlands has players at top teams all over Europe — attendance (and interest) is nowhere near what you see at men’s matches, and the women typically play at much smaller grounds.

    The US ‘dominated’ only in that they won the tournament — but they did not play well in several games — after the poor performances and the asinine anti-Trump comments (virtue-signaling via declining an invitation that hadn’t been issued yet) by the purple-haired lesbian Rapinoe, it was hard to really root for them — in an interview after the final, she gave a shout-out to her brother, and the BBC live-commented this:

    As usual Japan was the most entertaining team — they were unlucky to lose to the Netherlands in the knockout stage (via a very late penalty).

    • Replies: @eah
  53. @Charles Pewitt

    Interesting (and fun). Thanks.

    • Replies: @TWS
  54. eah says:
    @eah

    Also Rapinoe got the ‘Golden Boot’ for scoring the most goals (she won a tiebreaker with Alex Morgan because she played fewer minutes) — but half of her 6 goals were from the penalty spot.

  55. Spangel says:
    @Anon

    I’ve met a few pakis who looked Central asian or almost Chinese. I would have guessed them Chinese probably before they said they were Pakistani. And then I knew someone in college who I thought was white but was actually born in Pakistan. Do the ones that come here look less south Asian than the rest?

    • Replies: @Anon
  56. Barnard says:
    @mungerite

    Non people of color was either a mistake by the Times or the organizer misspoke and meant to say “people of non-color.” That is what they were calling whites in the original posting.

    Good to know according to this Constitutional scholar they have “some leeway to choose who they are going to do business with and how they do that business.” I wonder if she would apply that leeway to everyone or if “people of non-color” would be ineligible to have any leeway?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @RVBlake
  57. @Charles Pewitt

    Trump can counter with Jemima Nicholas, the Alvin York of Wales.

    Actually, Jemima has been a popular name in the UK for decades now. Lots of svelte young Jemimas for him to choose from. But they’ll have to work on the accent.

  58. @obwandiyag

    Obanjo,

    Our man Tiny Duck is much better at this than you are. Sequels rarely work out.

    • Agree: TWS
  59. Logan says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Isandlwana, the Retreat from Kabul, Battle of New Orleans, the Somme, Dunkirk, Singapore…

  60. J.Ross says:

    Molyneux, the man without hair or fear:
    https://postimg.cc/pm3f3zvH

  61. Harold says:
    @dearieme

    My weakness was always the slow deliveries from otherwise fast bowlers. The fastest deliveries, that I could hardly see, I often instinctually nailed, to an extent that surprised myself.

    But, then, maybe this would have only happened up to a point; like you I never faced world-class fast.

  62. J.Ross says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    This manages to almost totally omit Turkey, but between this and Midnight Express taking place first in 1970, I think this is the answer.
    https://timeline.com/hippie-trail-asia-drugs-55abce249d1

  63. Harold says:
    @Anon

    Check out NZ cricketer Simon Doull

  64. Carnehan, Shaheen … what is this, Real Housewives of the Senate?

  65. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I think this a reference to what is known in Turkey as the opium crisis. Turkey used to produce most of world’s opium which was turned into heroin and in the 60s increasingly shipped to the US. The Nixon administration put pressure on Turkey to end opium production. Turkey eventually complied but for a while there formal and informal sanctions.

  66. Not Raul says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Honestly, do any of these fair fellas look like they care what Sarah Jeong or Jeet Heer say?

  67. Bill P says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Well, seeing as they weren’t getting around by plane, train or automobile, they couldn’t have come from too far. My best guess is they were pilgrims or in some way connected with the Tibetans. I saw other people who looked out of place there, including one Australoid looking guy who was black with curly hair. He must have been a Buddhist pilgrim of Dravidian origin.

    The real surprising thing is that these people may still be influenced by Buddhism. I thought that died out among the white Central Asians hundreds of years ago, but maybe some of them still practice a form of syncretic Islam that incorporates Buddhist theology. Maybe that’s why the Taliban took the trouble to blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Johann Ricke
  68. Gollios says:

    The last charge of Billy Fish is one of the greatest cinematic deaths of all time. The actor that played him fit so well with Caine and Connery.

  69. Whiskey says: • Website

    FWiw Nancy Pelosi is blasting Trumps citizen question as make America White Again.

    Unspoken White = bad.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  70. WHO says:

    HE’S A RUSSIAN!!!

  71. Making the rounds

    #RapinoeDonateYourPrizeMoneyBLM

  72. Lurker says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    You mean Michael Imperioli:

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0408284/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t4

    He also reminds me of British actor Andrew Paul:

    Who I now find has the real name Paul Andrew Herman, dunno what his precise ethnic origins are.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0666753/

  73. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    In return for a check from Uncle Sam in 1973, the Turkish government agreed to a large-scale opium poppy eradication program. This, however, created a large class of very unhappy farmers in the scenic western regions of Anatolia. And these fellows were not the sort to draw fine distinctions between various English-speaking white guys.

  74. @Charles Pewitt

    A bit like the Cossacks and the Russians.

  75. Tom-in-VA says:

    From Wikipedia:

    “The Afrīdī (Pashto: اپريدی‎ Aprīdai, plur. اپريدي Aprīdī; Urdu: آفریدی‎) is a Pashtun tribe present in Pakistan, with substantial numbers in Afghanistan. The Afridis are most dominant in Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas, inhabiting about 100p mi² (8000 km²) of rough hilly area in the Zarlash eastern Spin Ghar range west of Peshawar, covering most of Khyber Agency, FR Peshawar and FR Kohat.[2] Their territory includes the Khyber Pass and Maidan in Tirah. Afridi migrants are also found in India, mostly in the states of Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Jammu and Kashmir.[3]

    The Afridis are historically known for the strategic location they inhabit and their belligerence against outside forces; battling the Mughal dynasty’s armies throughout Mughal rule.[1] The later clashes against British expeditions comprised the most savage fighting of the Anglo-Afghan Wars.[4]”

    No doubt these guys gave my grandpa a hard time during his service with the Scottish Rifles in India. Luckily, his battalion rotated back to Great Britain, just in time to be shipped out to South Africa to fight the Boers in the relief of Ladysmith.

    A couple of years ago, I was re-reading Martin Middlebrook’s book The Falklands War when I came across the word “sangar.” I could tell from the context that it meant some type of fortification, but I was curious about its origins. The word comes from the Pashto word for stone, and it’s a type of open fortification made by stacking rocks to form walls in terrain where digging a trench is not practicable, and the term was still being used by Tommies decades after the last British troops had quit India.

  76. @Charles Pewitt

    Shaheen Shah Afridi should be kept in Pakistan.

    I agree. I don’t see how anyone can get excited over their “local” or “national” teams anymore when the talent is mostly imported, re: French soccer team in the recent World Cup (the real one, not the girl one).

    For instance, did Toronto really win an NBA championship or did a black American expat team win an NBA championship in Toronto?

  77. @Charles Pewitt

    What an absolute slimeball. If only he weren’t a white male, the Dems would elect him ‘them’ emperor. Empress. Whatever.

  78. @Charles Pewitt

    Black women aren’t just the backbone of the Democratic Party, they are the bone and sinew that make our democracy whole. When Black women mobilize, outcomes change.

    When a woman of any stripe controls the bone, the sinew vote follows.

  79. @Cagey Beast

    Never heard of Jeet Heer before so looked him up. Wiki says he’s as Canadian as the driven snow and also that guy named Cagey Beast is an irredeemable deplorable.

  80. @Anon

    What about him? The MSM are saying that he’s been Trump’s best buddy since they were kids, probably back in Nazi Germany, and no one’s mentioning anything about Bill Clinton. Not if you know what’s good for you. Under the bus!

  81. J.Ross says:
    @Bill P

    Formerly Soviet Central Asians a bit to the north have a syncretism involving Orthodoxy, Buddhism, and good old fashioned steppe horse archer shamanism. The symbol is a yin-yang-like triangle with each third colored differently and containing the respective symbols. Buddhism seems to lend itself to syncretism. It has an accommodatingly long time frame and gets along with everybody except you-know-whoslims.

  82. Umberto says:
    @The Z Blog

    Back in 1839 British Army Captain Edward Conolly was in Afghanistan when he was visited by a delegation of Kalash ,then known as the Siaposh Kafirs.

    Conolly’s Afghan peon announced the arrival of the Kalash by exclaiming “Here they are Sir! They are all come. Here are all your relations.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  83. TWS says:
    @Dieter Kief

    There’s actually two other guys vying for the duck mantel. Not sure if they’re not all the same guy.

  84. @Charles Pewitt

    You are quite delusional. Reading your drivel I can see why the British are going to end up getting a blond gorilla called Boris Johnson as their next PM.

  85. Umberto says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    MY name is O’Kelly, I’ve heard the Revelly
    From Birr to Bareilly, from Leeds to Lahore,
    Hong-Kong and Peshawur.
    Lucknow and Etawah,
    And fifty-five more all endin’ in “pore.”

    Yes I think the the Celts were aware of their role in empire building, Kipling would seem to agree.

    Not only on the level of cannon fodder either- Captain Arthur Conolly is credited with first referring to the jockeying for power in Central Asia as the “Great Game”.

    He and 3 of his brothers were killed in service of the Empire.

  86. Alden says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Turkey was, is a big opium producer. We were targeting Turkey for sanctions and harassment at the time. We sort of hop, skip and jump around the world alternating which opium and cocaine producing countries to harass.

  87. Off-topic, but apparently one of the factions in the ongoing Libyan civil war recently attacked a migrant center on the Mediterranean coast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tajoura_migrant_center_airstrike

    The alleged perpetrator was the Libyan National Army, which is commanded by one Field Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalifa_Haftar).

    Per Wikipedia, Haftar is a Libyan-American, having obtained U.S. citizenship during his exile in the North Virginia suburbs:

    “He was released around 1990 in a deal with the United States government and spent nearly two decades in Langley, Virginia, in the US, gaining U.S. citizenship.”

    Langley is the headquarters of the CIA. Shades of Ahmed Chalabi and the Boston bombers’ Uncle Ruslan.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  88. Alden says:
    @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    Loved the movie loved the story love all of Kipling.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  89. Alden says:
    @mungerite

    Ayers is not a common black surname. Why would Whites want to go to a black festival?

  90. @For what it's worth

    I’ve had an idea for a sitcom called “Falls River:” on one suburban culdesac, the CIA stashes various warlords and cult leaders who might someday be flown back to their old countries to become the new US friendly dictators. But the present is: Can their wives and children get along in Falls River?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  91. @Thud

    A film along with Zulu that any decent Englishman should watch every year.

    Along with Get Carter and The Ipcress File.

    Michael Caine’s movies from the 1960s and 1970s really hold up very well, and, as time goes by, are authentically English, in a way that may no longer be possible in Britainistan.

  92. Kafiris are blonds who sit upon chairs like Europeans

    Kafiris probably don’t even sit on chairs now.

  93. @Gollios

    The actor that played him fit so well with Caine and Connery.

    Saeed Jaffrey.

    Looking him up, I see he was an Indian of an old-time type whose life and interests the new crowd of H-1B Indian workers would likely find to be completely alien and incomprehensible.

    From his IMDB bio

    Saeed Jaffrey was born in Maler Kotla, Punjab, India. He was born on the 8th of January 1929. He attended University of Allahabad where he completed his post-graduate degree in history. He also attended the Staff Training Institute of All India Radio.

    He started his career in drama, as the founder of his own English theatre company called the Unity Theatre, in New Delhi between 1951 and 1956. He also served with All India Radio as Radio Director during this period. He played a wide variety of roles in comedy and drama with equal ease and enthusiasm. His early theatrical work included roles in productions of Tennessee Williams, Fry, Priestly, Wilde, and Shakespeare.

    In 1956, he finished his studies at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art in London, a premier school of drama. He went to the United States on a Fulbright scholarship and took a second post-graduate degree in drama from the Catholic University in America.

    With this experience as his base, he took his company on a tour of the United States doing Shakespearean plays in the year 1957. He was the first Indian Actor to have ever done so. He then became an active member of the Actors’ Studio in New York. …

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  94. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Would be a good show but somehow I don’t think the people who control such things will be “interested”.

  95. @Bill P

    The real surprising thing is that these people may still be influenced by Buddhism. I thought that died out among the white Central Asians hundreds of years ago, but maybe some of them still practice a form of syncretic Islam that incorporates Buddhist theology. Maybe that’s why the Taliban took the trouble to blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas.

    I’m thinking Sogdians/Tokharians aka today’s Afghans, who would have gone back and forth along with their armies’ fortunes in war:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharians

    • Replies: @Bill P
  96. Kyle says:

    He looks just like a turk named Caan I went to high school with. Tall broad and ogreish. Is he a good representation of kafiristan? If so then the pagans look very Turk. Which makes sense because they are. Kafiristan is an odd name, land of the kafirs. Kafir is an arab word for infidel, Stan is the turk suffix for land and all the central asian country names end in stan. So it would be what the islamists call the region, not what the pagans call it.

  97. RickinJax says:
    @Anonymous

    When did it cease to be popular there?
    Why?

  98. Bill P says:
    @Johann Ricke

    I think they must have been Pamiris, some of whom still live in Xinjiang, Here’s a picture of an old Pamiri woman who has the same eyes as the older guy I saw:

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-08adb765baefcea5b2567d5ae1f767df

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  99. Here are some Afghan kids from Khost, a city in the region that Shaheen Shah Afridi’s Afridi tribespeople are from. They’re likely not Afridis though, AFAIK. But I’m sure the boy will be happy to receive cricket lessons and coaching.

  100. @Bill P

    I think they must have been Pamiris, some of whom still live in Xinjiang, Here’s a picture of an old Pamiri woman who has the same eyes as the older guy I saw:

    Very Northern European features. Amazing that these guys were in Tibet. Kind of like a lost tribes thing, except this lost tribe is practically marooned in a sea of very different-looking people. How they retained their distinctive looks is surely a fascinating story.

    • Replies: @Bill P
  101. @Whiskey

    Did she lead a chant of, “Wops ain’t White!”?

  102. Bill P says:
    @Johann Ricke

    I did a bit of research in the course of this thread, and the Pamiris are Ismailis, which is a very heterodox form of Islam. The Taliban and other Sunnis don’t consider them Muslim. It may be that they still revere Buddha, and maybe even Zoroaster as well. Some were probably Manichaeans back in the day.

    Here’s another Pamiri who looks like an English country gentleman:

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  103. @Bill P

    I did a bit of research in the course of this thread, and the Pamiris are Ismailis, which is a very heterodox form of Islam.

    We’ve been here before with Mr. Sailer, on a similar thread.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/extremely-italian-looking-guy-leads-indias-opposition-party/?highlight=aga+khan#comment-2121263

  104. @bomag

    The age of Google should render obscurity itself obsolete*, but the Brits just take that as a challenge.

    * – which is why my allusions tend toward the obscure as it weeds out the incurious from replying

  105. @Barnard

    Non people of color was either a mistake by the Times or the organizer misspoke and meant to say “people of non-color.”

    Quite the contrary, I daresay the organizer was caught saying exactly what she meant, in a moment of accidental candor.

    “Non-People” status is exactly where we’re headed. Most white people think it’s a good thing, too.

  106. Anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spangel

    They’re called Hazaras. They are a Mongloid people who come from Afghanistan. About 150,000 live in Pakistan too, mostly refugees.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  107. @Anon

    A lot of Hazaras in Afghanistan claim to be 33rd or 35th generation descendants of Genghis Khan. I haven’t looked into the recent DNA evidence, but way back in 2003 that seemed pretty plausible.

  108. @PiltdownMan

    And his wife introduced Indian cookery to the English middle classes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhur_Jaffrey

  109. RVBlake says:
    @Barnard

    Rand Paul said the same thing, about a business owner’s freedom to pick and choose his customers, and weathered the predictable shit-storm, when he ran for president years ago.

  110. The screenplay by John Huston and his secretary Gladys Hill is even better than Kipling’s short story. The original short story is only about 20 pages, but it should have been 300. Huston and Hill borrowed from a lot of other Kipling fiction to write the script.

    For example, here’s Kipling’s version of Billy Fish choosing to stay and die with Daniel and Peachy:

    “‘Go!’ says I. ‘Go to Hell, Dan. I’m with you here. Billy Fish, you clear out, and we two will meet those folk.’

    “‘I’m a Chief,’ says Billy Fish, quite quiet. ‘I stay with you. My men can go.’

    Here’s the movie version:

    Peachy Carnehan: [When being chased by a large angry mob] Billy Fish, mount the mule and ride! There’s a chance you’ll make it!

    Billy Fish: Gurkha foot soldier, not cavalry.

    [Billy salutes Peachy and Danny]

    Billy Fish: Rifleman Majendra Bahadur Gurung wishing you many good lucks!

    [Billy draws his kukri and charges the mob single-handedly]

    Billy Fish: Ayo Gorkhali!

  111. Ian Smith says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Turkey in the 1970s was a Weimar-like basket case, too. Before the 1980 military coup, you had a low level civil war between Marxists and ultra-nationalist Grey Wolves.
    Incidentally, some in the Grey Wolves wanted to revive the pre-Islamic shamanism of the ancient Turkic peoples.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihal_Ats%C4%B1z

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  112. 68W58 says:
    @Thud

    Those two along with the Douglas Fairbanks, Victor McLaglen, Cary Grant version of “Gunga Din”.

  113. Dtbb says:

    Reborn american spirit would be the world’s worst nightmare.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Harlan

  114. I find it hilarious when you whiteys have orgasms when you see some ugly european dude suscetible to skin cancer in asia , why not the same reaction over your brothers basal Rib guys in central africa the cameroonese chads and nigerians he he he

  115. The Afghan/Pak tribesmen might be the whitest looking people on the subcontinent, but they’re also the least literate with the lowest levels of economic and human development in their native lands. There’s a fair number of them in the U.S. and you’re not likely to see them on lists of National Merit Finalists, math champions, or Spelling Bee winners.

  116. Anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @George

    Yeah, USM never gets into prolonged wars with nonwhite countries.

    This must be one of the stupidest comments ever posted.

    FYI, Afghans are overwhelmingly dark skinned. Few are white.

    • Replies: @George
  117. J.Ross says:
    @George

    It was massively under-discussed in everday media.

  118. @Charles Pewitt

    Yeah, Mayor Pete’s wasting his breath. no bonafide cullut lady is gonna vote for a queer.

  119. @Gollios

    Agreed. The part of the novel that dealt with Billy’s having a great time in the battle, said that as long as a Gurkha has his kukri and one arm left, he’ll cheerfully fight on to the death.

  120. George says:
    @Anon

    Search Google images for Pashtun people. The pictures seem to have white skin and features with perhaps courser asian hair. They do not appear to me to have South Asian bronze skin tones. Like white Europeans they have variation in hair and eye color. That might be the guy’s natural hair color.

    • Replies: @OP
  121. OP says:
    @George

    You are correct. I have met Pashtun’s on certain forums who can pass as Eastern Europeans. They look white with something eastern about them. I have also seen one who looked Ashkenazim. That being said, some can be quite brown and south Asian in appearance. It depends on the area. I read somewhere that they have some of the highest amount of “Yamna” ancestry in the world. I don’t know if that is still true since genetic science is recent, however I imagine that the Yamna who entered Europe looked more like them as opposed to Germanic.

  122. Hunsdon says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Famous quotation. Any man who says he is not afraid to die is either lying, or a Gurkha.

  123. Hunsdon says:
    @Ian Smith

    Robert E Howard wrote an El Borak short story along those lines.

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