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‘Pattern Recognition Is Another Name for Racism and Sexism’

Vivek Wadhwa explains that when venture capitalists talk about pattern recognition, they’re legitimizing discrimination.

 
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  1. There’s nothing to see here folks, just move along now nice and easy.

    https://www.trbimg.com/img-590268ba/turbine/la-me-riots-damage-20170421/2000

  2. The more America listens to these Indian gurus, the more we will look like India.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Weaken the host, extract resources.

    Virtually all of what is promulgated now, in psuedo moralistic terms, with implicit threats to those ignoring instruction, is designed to overcome defense mechanisms of opponents in competition for resources.

    There's no effort to pretend it's anything less than self interested attempts at manipulation.

    Do the opposite.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Quite a few Indians, in contrast to East Asians in America, appear to have the gift of the gab. They’ve been been doing the guru hustle, both spiritual and secular, here in America, for perhaps a century

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

    , @VivaLaMigra
    You mean an overpopulated shit hole - literally. I'm not some "racist" saying that. The UN's own "World Health Organization" [aka WHO] says that 600,000,000 Indians lack what they call an "organized latrine." IOW, they're either too dumb, or too lazy, to dig a trench, take a crap, and cover said crap with dirt! Instead they use what must presumably be called an "unorganized latrine" - they drop trou and crap wherever they feel like it. And this so-called "world's largest English-speaking democracy" is going to inherit the 21st Century? I'm an atheist, but even I'd say "God Help Us!:
  3. I totally agree. That is why I’m the only true race-ist and sex-ist.

    Reality is race-ist and sex-ist.

    Ism means belief, and race + ism and sex + ism mean belief in the reality of race and sex and differences.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Well, there are a bunch of us like you. Have you actually explained your beliefs to people?
    I’ve been telling people the same things for years and I’m fascinated by the most common response. Basically they are thunderstruck and have nothing to say, not even a perfunctory “I can’t even!”. It’s as if their brains can’t even process what they have just heard. I also suspect some others are silent because they might agree but can’t bring themselves to say it out loud.
  4. Hey, hey, ho, ho, A I has got to go!

  5. “…and why that’s a good thing.”

    • Agree: bomag
  6. “Pattern Recognition Is Another Name for Racism and Sexism”

    “We would also have accepted perception, insight, acuity, rationality, awareness, perspicacity, consciousness, sentience…”

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • LOL: ben tillman
  7. Pattern recognition is another name for racism and sexism : sometimes true, usually not true.

    Racism and sexism are other names for pattern recognition : usually true, sometimes not true.

    I feel a Venn diagram coming on…

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    Wait do I have that backwards? Now I actually do need to draw the diagram...it's late here on the east coast...
  8. The War on Noticing will continue until the battle is won and nobody notices nuthin’. Nuthin’ to notice here folks, move along.

    • Replies: @Haruto Rat

    The War on Noticing will continue until the battle is won and nobody notices nuthin’. Nuthin’ to notice here folks, move along.
     
    Moving along would be ableist.
  9. Just a small step from saying, “Rational thought is another name for racism and sexism”.

  10. His Wikipedia is quite entertaining. Eg:

    Wadhwa responded to the criticism by writing that he had not known what the word “floozy” meant due to his poor grasp of American slang, as an immigrant, that he had apologized at the event as soon as his misstep was pointed out to him, and that he had lost sleep over the ordeal.[91]

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think he meant "flunkie" but it came out "floozy". Vivek lost sleep but Mary his accuser is apparently a basic bitch:


    You [Mary] , on the other hand, stormed away and behaved in a highly unprofessional manner. I asked several people why you were reacting this way and they said that I should ignore you because you had “personal difficulties”.
     
    , @Altai
    His bio states he had been living in the US since 1986 at that point and before that in Australia. Did he not know because he was that bad at assimilating?
  11. Is caste another name for pattern recognition?

    • LOL: Bubba
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Caste is different, racist!
    , @kikz
    ZING!
    , @guest
    Or pattern imposition.
  12. Patterns imply a stucture, some relational aspects, but as we all know there are no defining traits or structures that can exist in the modern world.

  13. @SimpleSong
    Pattern recognition is another name for racism and sexism : sometimes true, usually not true.

    Racism and sexism are other names for pattern recognition : usually true, sometimes not true.

    I feel a Venn diagram coming on...

    Wait do I have that backwards? Now I actually do need to draw the diagram…it’s late here on the east coast…

    • LOL: Ben tillman
  14. @Bill B.
    His Wikipedia is quite entertaining. Eg:

    Wadhwa responded to the criticism by writing that he had not known what the word "floozy" meant due to his poor grasp of American slang, as an immigrant, that he had apologized at the event as soon as his misstep was pointed out to him, and that he had lost sleep over the ordeal.[91]
     

    I think he meant “flunkie” but it came out “floozy”. Vivek lost sleep but Mary his accuser is apparently a basic bitch:

    You [Mary] , on the other hand, stormed away and behaved in a highly unprofessional manner. I asked several people why you were reacting this way and they said that I should ignore you because you had “personal difficulties”.

  15. OT. Steve, your buddy Raj Chetty is on Amanpour and Co. spouting his sophistry right now.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    OT. Steve, your buddy Raj Chetty is on Amanpour and Co. spouting his sophistry right now.

     

    Attention Steve Sailer:

    Please do some more Raj Chetty blog posts.

    Somebody posted a clip of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and I said that clip could get Sailer to post 4 or 5 more blog postings on Chetty.

    I got my comments all ready to go, including the Chetty Chetty Bang Bang bit and the Boston Globe article about Hillary Clinton giving an audience to Raj Chetty during the 2016 presidential campaign, and my opinion that Raj Chetty is a Third World academic celebrity token lantern holder for the ruling class.

    How come Chetty got the data and not Richwine or some other sonofabitches?

    I wonder if Raj Chetty supports that US Senate immigration bill that would flood the USA with millions of Asian Indians year after year? I wonder if Raj Chetty was watching the propaganda from Houston when Trump and Modi were saying that they wanted to flood Asian Indians into the USA in the largest numbers ever?
  16. Back in the 80s the guys in the next building at SAIC were working on a bomb detection system utilizing “step-wise discriminate analysis”. Bomb detection is another name for discrimination.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's better to build a bomb detector that doesn't work than one that is racist and sexist. The latter will get you fired much faster nowadays.
  17. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The more America listens to these Indian gurus, the more we will look like India.

    Weaken the host, extract resources.

    Virtually all of what is promulgated now, in psuedo moralistic terms, with implicit threats to those ignoring instruction, is designed to overcome defense mechanisms of opponents in competition for resources.

    There’s no effort to pretend it’s anything less than self interested attempts at manipulation.

    Do the opposite.

    • Agree: bomag
  18. Found the mother lode of racism and sexism!

    https://www.joann.com/myfabric/customizable-fabric

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @bruce county
    Hmmmmm.. I was thinking Dazzle Camoflague as well...Germany should have filed a lawsuit.
  19. “And don’t get me started on cliometrics!”

  20. anon[219] • Disclaimer says:

    They don’t ignore a view of reality, they explain it away. The raw data is disturbing to the narrative. So they adjust it until it no longer offends. Adjust for income, education, etc, etc. Until the usual explanations disappear.

    Here is an example
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4817358/

    The sausage making is back room stuff, not for any sort open discussion. Regardless of curiosity, I can’t make myself dig into it.

    I do have a fantasy that this sort of work is enraging at some deep level. So much effort to make the answer ok. And if someone just took data at face value, they get very high associations or correlations with no effort.

    Normalizing data, for say an extra day in a quarter is simple enough. But here we are talking about very homogenous populations (quarters) with small differences (+/- a day), when time is clearly and directly related (to say sales or deaths, etc), vs normalizing population statistics for income, education and on and on.

    • Replies: @Rob Lee
    Not that I sympathize with them at all (in fact they're my mortal enemies), but I imagine that the minions of purposeful ignorance probably have a tough psychological and emotional slog making 2+2=5.

    After all, before heading out to the Ministry of Propaganda in the morning, they have to help little Hunter and little Kahrie with their math homework, wherein 2+2 must definitely equal 4... if they're to get in to that $40k pre-k 'path to the Inner Circle' program.
  21. @James Bowery
    Back in the 80s the guys in the next building at SAIC were working on a bomb detection system utilizing "step-wise discriminate analysis". Bomb detection is another name for discrimination.

    It’s better to build a bomb detector that doesn’t work than one that is racist and sexist. The latter will get you fired much faster nowadays.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s better to build a bomb detector that doesn’t work than one that is racist and sexist. The latter will get you fired much faster nowadays
     
    During the don't-ask-don't-tell debates, I wanted to scream, "Enlist them? Hell, draft them! Into the bomb disposal units!"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169805/Facing-death-day-The-dangerous-job-earth.html
  22. William Gibson’s mid-2000 crypto-fascist novel

    OT: #MuhDemocracy

    Hey ho, Hey ho, Facebook has got to go!

    Forget privacy abuses, liberals call to DeleteFacebook after learning Zuckerberg met with conservatives

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    William Gibson wrote the lyrics to this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7twoBZpHEKA
  23. ‘Pattern Recognition Is Another Name for Racism and Sexism’

    If that is true, then racism and sexism are good things. Humans and many other species could not have survived without pattern recognition.

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    Without pattern recognition I would never have survived walking the streets of Oakland.
  24. Can AI recognize Vivek Wadhwa’s sub-caste? Taking it a step further, can it find a suitable boy or girl for an arranged marriage for his younger relatives? Mr. Wadhwa can make a second, larger, fortune in his native land if he solves that puzzle.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaadi.com

  25. @Jack D
    It's better to build a bomb detector that doesn't work than one that is racist and sexist. The latter will get you fired much faster nowadays.

    It’s better to build a bomb detector that doesn’t work than one that is racist and sexist. The latter will get you fired much faster nowadays

    During the don’t-ask-don’t-tell debates, I wanted to scream, “Enlist them? Hell, draft them! Into the bomb disposal units!”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169805/Facing-death-day-The-dangerous-job-earth.html

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @Bubba
    Or check ordnance... (Bugs was definitely hetero)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJKcdlj-Uiw
  26. @Anon
    The more America listens to these Indian gurus, the more we will look like India.

    Quite a few Indians, in contrast to East Asians in America, appear to have the gift of the gab. They’ve been been doing the guru hustle, both spiritual and secular, here in America, for perhaps a century

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I was in Costco the other day and a white liberal young woman later asked what’s it like being a Hindu. (In the genuine eager college freshman stereotype.) The guy didn’t miss a beat. I overheard the whole 15min conversation while watching a demonstration of a food processor that had a Bluetooth/WiFi connection.

    He could’ve became a legit guru. He must’ve watched “Eat Pray Love” (poor bastard) and knew how liberal chicks tick.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/krishnamurti.html
    , @Clyde
    How dare you insult The Maharishi of Beatles fame. I have a meditation mantra from him, though not directly, that I use sometimes. Back from when bllshitin' dot Indians were exotic, not toxic, and at toxic immigration levels.
  27. @El Dato
    William Gibson's mid-2000 crypto-fascist novel

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OCXGVY

    OT: #MuhDemocracy

    Hey ho, Hey ho, Facebook has got to go!

    Forget privacy abuses, liberals call to DeleteFacebook after learning Zuckerberg met with conservatives

    William Gibson wrote the lyrics to this:

  28. Wow. that video was terrible.

    I can handle idiocy like that more in text because i can look away, calm down… then come back. Harder to do with video when he keeps going and going.

    That said, i think your complaint overstates what he said: his implication is that pattern recognition in this case just perpetuates the existing discrimination. And it’s true that VCs are super bandwagony and prone to fads and trends. (possibly because they are in a way about manipulating the investment market: create hype about something to create demand for companies that do that thing… and then cash out via IPO or acquisition before people realize that that technology or trend was overhyped BS)

    (of course he hedges when he says that Indians and Chinese guys are now getting funding… )

    Anyway, i don’t think his statement is the same longer of thing as where we’re not supposed to notice school performance gaps, who wins math and spelling bees, and in other objective large scale phenomena.

  29. @PiltdownMan
    Quite a few Indians, in contrast to East Asians in America, appear to have the gift of the gab. They’ve been been doing the guru hustle, both spiritual and secular, here in America, for perhaps a century

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

    I was in Costco the other day and a white liberal young woman later asked what’s it like being a Hindu. (In the genuine eager college freshman stereotype.) The guy didn’t miss a beat. I overheard the whole 15min conversation while watching a demonstration of a food processor that had a Bluetooth/WiFi connection.

    He could’ve became a legit guru. He must’ve watched “Eat Pray Love” (poor bastard) and knew how liberal chicks tick.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Too bad he wasn’t a Muslim Sikh Parsee Zoroastrian Karelia Christian Goanese Catholic.
    Then he could have attacked her “ how dare you stereotype me as a Hindu just because I look Indian?”
  30. • Replies: @El Dato
    What happens if you shotgun-wed Project 1619 and Project 2020?
  31. @Reg Cæsar
    Is caste another name for pattern recognition?

    Caste is different, racist!

  32. Hmmm … I think I’m starting to see a pattern in these stories.

  33. Detailed but disturbing and dishonest BBC radio education story this morning about how, because of disruptive technology and runaway financialism eating our society’s middle, and because of minority underachievement, private school tax breaks should be made conditional on sharing their magic linoleum. At one point the expert compares a school achievement gap between upper and lower class schools to the gap in 1954, the year of desegregation, without mentioning any tricky bits about blacks doing better in segregation. Lots of apples and oranges flying through the air, and then a Diversity Officer for Oxford (Kahn or Khan?) announces that diversity is inherently good and will lead to diversity of thought. She gave no examples of this.

    • Replies: @Altai
    It's funny how despite having one of the best public school systems in the world, Sweden has been having a private school boom the last 20-25 years...
    , @El Dato
    Reminder that UK's Labour has officially gone Full "Gleichschaltung".

    Labour votes to abolish private schools at party conference: Party says it would ‘integrate’ independent schools into state sector, while universities would be told to ensure that no more than seven per cent of their students were privately educated.

    I won't belabour the point, the image of funky Bayrische Musik, non-aggressive, respectful marching and loud yelling (but diversily!) is all too apparent.
  34. @Bill B.
    His Wikipedia is quite entertaining. Eg:

    Wadhwa responded to the criticism by writing that he had not known what the word "floozy" meant due to his poor grasp of American slang, as an immigrant, that he had apologized at the event as soon as his misstep was pointed out to him, and that he had lost sleep over the ordeal.[91]
     

    His bio states he had been living in the US since 1986 at that point and before that in Australia. Did he not know because he was that bad at assimilating?

  35. @J.Ross
    Detailed but disturbing and dishonest BBC radio education story this morning about how, because of disruptive technology and runaway financialism eating our society's middle, and because of minority underachievement, private school tax breaks should be made conditional on sharing their magic linoleum. At one point the expert compares a school achievement gap between upper and lower class schools to the gap in 1954, the year of desegregation, without mentioning any tricky bits about blacks doing better in segregation. Lots of apples and oranges flying through the air, and then a Diversity Officer for Oxford (Kahn or Khan?) announces that diversity is inherently good and will lead to diversity of thought. She gave no examples of this.

    It’s funny how despite having one of the best public school systems in the world, Sweden has been having a private school boom the last 20-25 years…

    • Agree: jim jones
  36. @Jack D
    The War on Noticing will continue until the battle is won and nobody notices nuthin'. Nuthin' to notice here folks, move along.

    The War on Noticing will continue until the battle is won and nobody notices nuthin’. Nuthin’ to notice here folks, move along.

    Moving along would be ableist.

  37. Is “pattern recognition” just a subset of “noticing”? Because we know that “noticing” is racist, sexist and generally undermines our commitment to equity.

    Hey, hey!
    Ho, ho!
    Noticing has got to go!

  38. @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG5e452UUAEUCKQ.jpg

    What happens if you shotgun-wed Project 1619 and Project 2020?

    • Replies: @bomag

    ... shotgun-wed Project 1619 and Project 2020
     
    LOL!

    We'll get one of those delicious feedback loops where we notice we haven't paid enough attention to slavery, but then realize that we are noticing uncomfortable things; then we're told to notice POC and all their problems that need fixing while noticing that there are no differences between people...
  39. “Vivek Wadhwa explains that when venture capitalists talk about pattern recognition, they’re legitimizing discrimination. ”

    If Mr. Wadhwa wants to fight the legitimization of discrimination, he should have not discriminated against his home country when he decided to live somewhere else.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    It takes a problem country to know a problem country.

    Also we need a new, flashy sign for "AI", styled after these old Nazi insignia, to express our deep belief in Pattern Recognition. Something to put on the uniform until everyone has switched to Outer Party coveralls.
  40. anon[288] • Disclaimer says:

    As another user stated, Wadweh is saying something with a grain of truth. When VC’s talk about “pattern matching” they are talking about a few ethnic and socioeconomic templates for how they look at company founders. If a white guy isn’t easily matchable to one of these, he’ll face a higher degree of skepticism. And if said white guy is building a business outside of a few narrow domains, the skepticism will be ratcheted up, regardless of company financials and growth.

    Of course, Wadweh also fails to mention that the worst ethnic nepotists in tech are Indians.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @bomag

    Of course, Wadweh also fails to mention that the worst ethnic nepotists in tech are Indians.
     
    Amen.

    Arching over this is that "equalitarians" like Wadweh et al come on the scene and announce that they are subject matter experts in noticing: they can notice more skin colors; notice more ethnic types; they not only notice micro-aggressions, they notice nano-aggressions; etc, all in service to announcing that these things shouldn't matter to the rest of us, we just need to do what they say.

    , @Bill B.

    Of course, Wadweh also fails to mention that the worst ethnic nepotists in tech are Indians.
     
    It strikes that his railing against ‘white men’ like Zuckerberg is a bit forced. I suspect he has another group with a strong sense of ethnic solidarity in mind.
  41. “Political Correctness is a War on Noticing”.

    – Steve Sailer

  42. Yet another thing that Silicon Valley got right. The sycophantic Indian guru.

  43. So those things in the newspaper comics section asking you to spot the nine differences between the two pictures are racist and sexist?

    • Replies: @anon
    http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/thats-racist.gif
  44. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Vivek Wadhwa explains that when venture capitalists talk about pattern recognition, they’re legitimizing discrimination. "

    If Mr. Wadhwa wants to fight the legitimization of discrimination, he should have not discriminated against his home country when he decided to live somewhere else.

    It takes a problem country to know a problem country.

    Also we need a new, flashy sign for “AI”, styled after these old Nazi insignia, to express our deep belief in Pattern Recognition. Something to put on the uniform until everyone has switched to Outer Party coveralls.

  45. @J.Ross
    Detailed but disturbing and dishonest BBC radio education story this morning about how, because of disruptive technology and runaway financialism eating our society's middle, and because of minority underachievement, private school tax breaks should be made conditional on sharing their magic linoleum. At one point the expert compares a school achievement gap between upper and lower class schools to the gap in 1954, the year of desegregation, without mentioning any tricky bits about blacks doing better in segregation. Lots of apples and oranges flying through the air, and then a Diversity Officer for Oxford (Kahn or Khan?) announces that diversity is inherently good and will lead to diversity of thought. She gave no examples of this.

    Reminder that UK’s Labour has officially gone Full “Gleichschaltung”.

    Labour votes to abolish private schools at party conference: Party says it would ‘integrate’ independent schools into state sector, while universities would be told to ensure that no more than seven per cent of their students were privately educated.

    I won’t belabour the point, the image of funky Bayrische Musik, non-aggressive, respectful marching and loud yelling (but diversily!) is all too apparent.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    I thought they called private schools public schools over there.
    , @jim jones
    Labour are notorious for abolishing Grammar Schools, including the one I went to, and therefore destroying our education system.
    , @J.Ross
    Yeah, their big case for how this would totally work as planned was the highly monolithic and homogeneous school system of ... Finland. The fact that the Finnish school system (and society) has other points of homogeneity never came up, nor did the comparative school success in Finland of very different newcomers.
  46. @anon
    As another user stated, Wadweh is saying something with a grain of truth. When VC's talk about "pattern matching" they are talking about a few ethnic and socioeconomic templates for how they look at company founders. If a white guy isn't easily matchable to one of these, he'll face a higher degree of skepticism. And if said white guy is building a business outside of a few narrow domains, the skepticism will be ratcheted up, regardless of company financials and growth.

    Of course, Wadweh also fails to mention that the worst ethnic nepotists in tech are Indians.

    Of course, Wadweh also fails to mention that the worst ethnic nepotists in tech are Indians.

    Amen.

    Arching over this is that “equalitarians” like Wadweh et al come on the scene and announce that they are subject matter experts in noticing: they can notice more skin colors; notice more ethnic types; they not only notice micro-aggressions, they notice nano-aggressions; etc, all in service to announcing that these things shouldn’t matter to the rest of us, we just need to do what they say.

  47. @El Dato
    What happens if you shotgun-wed Project 1619 and Project 2020?

    … shotgun-wed Project 1619 and Project 2020

    LOL!

    We’ll get one of those delicious feedback loops where we notice we haven’t paid enough attention to slavery, but then realize that we are noticing uncomfortable things; then we’re told to notice POC and all their problems that need fixing while noticing that there are no differences between people…

  48. @Reg Cæsar
    Is caste another name for pattern recognition?

    ZING!

  49. As much as we fear the AI bots surveilling us all the time, in reality it will be deemed racist pretty quickly unless they do some serious filtering of the results to only implicate the appropriate parties when misdeeds are caught.

    If it could be implemented honestly, I’d say bring it on, it would validate most of us.

  50. Too video; didn’t read.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • LOL: El Dato
  51. OT: Yascha Mounk at the Atlantic writes:

    “Democracy was on the ballot yesterday in Poland. It suffered a stinging defeat that will have consequences far beyond the country’s borders.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/why-polands-election-matters-beyond-its-borders/599992/

    Got that? The most popular party won the election, and this is a stinging defeat for Democracy.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    We are going to have to elect a new people in Poland then.
    , @Rob McX
    It's really scary when the people elect a "populist" government that refuses to elect a new people.
    , @AnotherDad
    Pattern Recognition
  52. @PiltdownMan
    Quite a few Indians, in contrast to East Asians in America, appear to have the gift of the gab. They’ve been been doing the guru hustle, both spiritual and secular, here in America, for perhaps a century

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Checking out YouTube, it is easy to see how he was a sensation among the proto New Agey crowd in America ninety years ago. As an aside, his is not an accent you hear in the speech of today's Indian immigrants.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djtLt_lOKBs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuRH9dl6LU4

  53. Pattern recognition will not be allowed. Instead of that, we need to fix people once and for all into permanent categories. Once in a category, it will not matter what you do or don’t do, how you act, all that will matter is your category. No patterns need be recognized only the category over which there is no pattern. . The categories will be hereditary and organized in a hierarchy. This way you don’t have to make any generalizations which may be racist. You simply have to know the “category”. Such a much better system, don’t you think?

  54. @anon
    They don't ignore a view of reality, they explain it away. The raw data is disturbing to the narrative. So they adjust it until it no longer offends. Adjust for income, education, etc, etc. Until the usual explanations disappear.

    Here is an example
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4817358/

    The sausage making is back room stuff, not for any sort open discussion. Regardless of curiosity, I can't make myself dig into it.

    I do have a fantasy that this sort of work is enraging at some deep level. So much effort to make the answer ok. And if someone just took data at face value, they get very high associations or correlations with no effort.

    Normalizing data, for say an extra day in a quarter is simple enough. But here we are talking about very homogenous populations (quarters) with small differences (+/- a day), when time is clearly and directly related (to say sales or deaths, etc), vs normalizing population statistics for income, education and on and on.

    Not that I sympathize with them at all (in fact they’re my mortal enemies), but I imagine that the minions of purposeful ignorance probably have a tough psychological and emotional slog making 2+2=5.

    After all, before heading out to the Ministry of Propaganda in the morning, they have to help little Hunter and little Kahrie with their math homework, wherein 2+2 must definitely equal 4… if they’re to get in to that $40k pre-k ‘path to the Inner Circle’ program.

    • Replies: @Nico

    I imagine that the minions of purposeful ignorance probably have a tough psychological and emotional slog making 2+2=5.
     
    As an erstwhile standardized test coach, I can assure you critical thinking and logical reasoning, properly understood (“critical thinking” not to be confused with “critical [insert field here] studies” aka postmodernist deconstruction), are actually quite difficult skills to teach to over 95% of the population. (About 25 percent of my clients understood with little to no effort and another 25% could “get it” with some serious effort, but as I was working almost exclusively with polyglot, college-graduate, urban professionals it was safe to say that sample was heavily rightward-skewed.) For most folk, including those with master’s degrees, it will be sufficient that an interlocutor asserts that precious doctrine X he’s been brainwashed with at state schools or Ivy/Oxbridge annexes all his life are in fact true, and that data points A, B and C confirm X, regardless of whether there is any actual link. But usually there will be enough superficial relationship that the anxious subject will not see the need to cogitate further, and so the dissonance will not be exposed.
  55. I wonder if this is helping this guy get white women. His fervency is highly suspect.

  56. • Replies: @guest
    Probably. You know, the odds are against it. Along the lines of myself receiving the Nobel Prize for literature. (I have written short stories and short poems, but they all suck and none have been published unless you count websites that publish most anything.)
  57. Oh good, another hindu from a high caste in the most racist societies on earth lecturing us about racism. These people are in a league of their own when it comes to being bullshit artists.

  58. @Mike Zwick
    So those things in the newspaper comics section asking you to spot the nine differences between the two pictures are racist and sexist?

  59. @El Dato
    Reminder that UK's Labour has officially gone Full "Gleichschaltung".

    Labour votes to abolish private schools at party conference: Party says it would ‘integrate’ independent schools into state sector, while universities would be told to ensure that no more than seven per cent of their students were privately educated.

    I won't belabour the point, the image of funky Bayrische Musik, non-aggressive, respectful marching and loud yelling (but diversily!) is all too apparent.

    I thought they called private schools public schools over there.

    • Replies: @Graham
    Look it up, mate. Public schools are a subset of private schools, and so named for historical reasons. They are open to the public, and privately owned. Schools that are owned and run by the state are called state schools.
    , @J.Ross
    "public" = good but expensive (confusing name in part because they're sort of the first generation of what we would recognize as a modern school: public as opposed to personal tutelage, not public as in federal).
    "grammar" = meritocratic, more accessible to peasants provided they swot.
    "secondary modern" = your parents hate you, but quietly absorbing incurable anguish is as English as Rugby School, so, in a sense, you are authentically in the same meta-system via your unhappiness.
  60. Isn’t noticing that pattern recognition is a form racism and sexism itself a form of pattern recognition?

  61. I thought they called private schools public schools over there.

    Some private schools–usually those equivalent to High School in the US are known as “public” schools for historical reasons, when the choice was between a private tutor at home, or sending a boy (only boys back then) to a fee-paying school that was open to the public, as opposed to a school, for example, that was only for Quakers or military children.

    Many of the elementary schools in England were formerly Church of England schools that were taken over by the government. Part of the deal was that religious education would always be provided, so the opposite of the US where religious education in government schools is verboten.

    ‘State schools’ are schools funded by the government that provide free schooling. They are actually owned and run by “local education authorities” which are county or metropolitan district level bodies that also provide children’s services. According to Wikipedia, there are 152 LEAs in England. Scotland has a somewhat different education system.

    The terminology is confusing.

  62. Everything White people do is racist because [insert rationalization here].

  63. Pattern recognition = Stereotyping = White man bad think? It’s the old colored people – people of color thing. The process is the punishment.

  64. I always thought pattern recognition was like the Raven Matrix and simpler versions of that test like the military pattern recognition tests that send recruits for mechanic and engineering training. I remember pattern recognition in those activity books for young children.

  65. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Found the mother lode of racism and sexism!

    https://www.joann.com/myfabric/customizable-fabric

    Hmmmmm.. I was thinking Dazzle Camoflague as well…Germany should have filed a lawsuit.

  66. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Yascha Mounk at the Atlantic writes:

    "Democracy was on the ballot yesterday in Poland. It suffered a stinging defeat that will have consequences far beyond the country’s borders."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/why-polands-election-matters-beyond-its-borders/599992/

    Got that? The most popular party won the election, and this is a stinging defeat for Democracy.

    We are going to have to elect a new people in Poland then.

  67. @Kronos
    I was in Costco the other day and a white liberal young woman later asked what’s it like being a Hindu. (In the genuine eager college freshman stereotype.) The guy didn’t miss a beat. I overheard the whole 15min conversation while watching a demonstration of a food processor that had a Bluetooth/WiFi connection.

    He could’ve became a legit guru. He must’ve watched “Eat Pray Love” (poor bastard) and knew how liberal chicks tick.

    Too bad he wasn’t a Muslim Sikh Parsee Zoroastrian Karelia Christian Goanese Catholic.
    Then he could have attacked her “ how dare you stereotype me as a Hindu just because I look Indian?”

  68. @Dtbb
    OT. Steve, your buddy Raj Chetty is on Amanpour and Co. spouting his sophistry right now.

    OT. Steve, your buddy Raj Chetty is on Amanpour and Co. spouting his sophistry right now.

    Attention Steve Sailer:

    Please do some more Raj Chetty blog posts.

    Somebody posted a clip of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and I said that clip could get Sailer to post 4 or 5 more blog postings on Chetty.

    I got my comments all ready to go, including the Chetty Chetty Bang Bang bit and the Boston Globe article about Hillary Clinton giving an audience to Raj Chetty during the 2016 presidential campaign, and my opinion that Raj Chetty is a Third World academic celebrity token lantern holder for the ruling class.

    How come Chetty got the data and not Richwine or some other sonofabitches?

    I wonder if Raj Chetty supports that US Senate immigration bill that would flood the USA with millions of Asian Indians year after year? I wonder if Raj Chetty was watching the propaganda from Houston when Trump and Modi were saying that they wanted to flood Asian Indians into the USA in the largest numbers ever?

  69. You can’t be intelligent without being a lot of -ists. Nothing is exactly the same as anything else. The difference between clever and dumb comes down to being aware of many different groups of things with the differences smoothed out, instead of only a few big groups of things with the differences smoothed out. The more you like to smooth them out, the dumber you are.

    I usually ask goodthinkers whether they think that in theory it would be possible for the races (or sexes or whatever) to be different. That usually gets a suspicious yes. Then I ask that, in the purely theoretical and hypothetical case that they are different, how would we be able to notice? That results in them describing reality as it is, catching themselves and getting angry. It’s sort of fun but when their eyes glaze over and they start screaming catchphrases it creeps me out.

  70. @El Dato
    Reminder that UK's Labour has officially gone Full "Gleichschaltung".

    Labour votes to abolish private schools at party conference: Party says it would ‘integrate’ independent schools into state sector, while universities would be told to ensure that no more than seven per cent of their students were privately educated.

    I won't belabour the point, the image of funky Bayrische Musik, non-aggressive, respectful marching and loud yelling (but diversily!) is all too apparent.

    Labour are notorious for abolishing Grammar Schools, including the one I went to, and therefore destroying our education system.

  71. Vivek Wadhwa explains that when venture capitalists talk about pattern recognition, they’re legitimizing discrimination.

    Discrimination is fundamental to life.

  72. I’m recognizing a pattern of geezer boy globalizers who were corporate propaganda whores for ABC News and both wear rugs to cover their stupid bald mutton heads.

    Sam Donaldson and George Will are two White globalizer geezer sleazebag corporate propaganda whores who push mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    White Core America must make it a priority to dislodge every damn last corporate propaganda whore and all the corporate propaganda controllers and destroy all these damn anti-White media outlets who push mass immigration while attacking the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    • Replies: @JimB

    Trump supporters "have this fixation on returning this country to the white, Christian country that they believe it should be again.”
     
    No, they want to know what part of the country they can have so they can leave.
    , @dr kill
    Bill Barr wears Sam's old wigs.
  73. Mr Balakov,

    I agree. Dirty Orange Britags are hypocritical gimps. Do what I do: Have a large glass of Orange Crush & think of Rotherham!!!

    Bet your ‘waycis’ lads wouldn’t let a load of goat-fiddlers drug, pimp n gang-rape their uneducated chav hoes!!!!

    IIRAW

  74. “Pattern Recognition Is Another Name for Racism and Sexism”

    But perceived pattern recognition, where there isn’t actually a large scale pattern (e.g. white cops out to kill young black men), isn’t racism or sexism.

  75. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Yascha Mounk at the Atlantic writes:

    "Democracy was on the ballot yesterday in Poland. It suffered a stinging defeat that will have consequences far beyond the country’s borders."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/why-polands-election-matters-beyond-its-borders/599992/

    Got that? The most popular party won the election, and this is a stinging defeat for Democracy.

    It’s really scary when the people elect a “populist” government that refuses to elect a new people.

  76. @WowJustWow
    I thought they called private schools public schools over there.

    Look it up, mate. Public schools are a subset of private schools, and so named for historical reasons. They are open to the public, and privately owned. Schools that are owned and run by the state are called state schools.

    • Replies: @Senor Moose
    In the case of Eton, it is "open to the public" in the sense of "open to the public that can afford to pay 42,000 quid a year in tuition."

    The nomenclature is admittedly confusing: Brits usually talk about "independent" schools versus "state" schools. The former are what Americans would call "private" schools, while the latter are what Americans would call "public" schools. And what people in the UK call "public schools" are a subset of "independent" schools that are especially old and prestigious (places like Eton, Harrow, etc.).

    One further wrinkle: The UK has "grammar schools," which are publicly funded but selective. They are something like magnet schools in the States. And, as in the States, they tend to be politically divisive, with the left generally disliking them.
  77. If Beijing controlled tech every surpasses US based tech is will be why. ChiCom AI will ruthlessly interface with the real world while nerfed “woke” AI will be essentially useless for any meaningful task.

  78. Why do all Indian men look like they are suffering from anaphylactic shock?

  79. @Graham
    Look it up, mate. Public schools are a subset of private schools, and so named for historical reasons. They are open to the public, and privately owned. Schools that are owned and run by the state are called state schools.

    In the case of Eton, it is “open to the public” in the sense of “open to the public that can afford to pay 42,000 quid a year in tuition.”

    The nomenclature is admittedly confusing: Brits usually talk about “independent” schools versus “state” schools. The former are what Americans would call “private” schools, while the latter are what Americans would call “public” schools. And what people in the UK call “public schools” are a subset of “independent” schools that are especially old and prestigious (places like Eton, Harrow, etc.).

    One further wrinkle: The UK has “grammar schools,” which are publicly funded but selective. They are something like magnet schools in the States. And, as in the States, they tend to be politically divisive, with the left generally disliking them.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    So the categories of school are similar in essence, with difference only in name.
    , @Alden
    Grammar schools were abolished about 50 40 years ago because too many blacks and browns failed the admission test given at age 11. Like all merit tests they were deemed discriminatory.

    It was also a great way to desegregate the state schools and sent White children to be abused by blacks and browns. Also a great way to ensure White children don’t progress past the equivalent of American 6th grade. Purpose was equality for blacks and brown and preventing Whites whose families can’t afford private school tuition from rising to middle class.

    It was a major reason the former working class became the life long welfare class

    State middle/high schools are called Comprehensives. They’re modeled on American high schools that have everything from AP to special Ed in one school. Ends at 16 as long as they pass the General Certificate of Secondary Education. Can take the exams at 15 if they think they can pass. If they never pass the exams they don’t graduate. Some jobs require the GCSE.

    The good news is that there are a gazillion legitimate apprenticeships in England that lead to good jobs with licenses and certificates. One reason British movies TV and theater are so great is the plethora of drama and theater schools. Admission is by talent and the agents and casting directors are always looking for talent. Best thing about apprenticeships is that they lead to skills and jobs.


    Lots more apprenticeship programs in England than US. One distant relative apprenticed himself to a furniture maker. Now he has his own shop and makes high end bespoke furniture. Much better than some lower management, accountant or solicitor stuck in a cubicle all day.
  80. @Charles Pewitt
    I'm recognizing a pattern of geezer boy globalizers who were corporate propaganda whores for ABC News and both wear rugs to cover their stupid bald mutton heads.

    Sam Donaldson and George Will are two White globalizer geezer sleazebag corporate propaganda whores who push mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    White Core America must make it a priority to dislodge every damn last corporate propaganda whore and all the corporate propaganda controllers and destroy all these damn anti-White media outlets who push mass immigration while attacking the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1183794407302221824?s=20

    Trump supporters “have this fixation on returning this country to the white, Christian country that they believe it should be again.”

    No, they want to know what part of the country they can have so they can leave.

  81. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s better to build a bomb detector that doesn’t work than one that is racist and sexist. The latter will get you fired much faster nowadays
     
    During the don't-ask-don't-tell debates, I wanted to scream, "Enlist them? Hell, draft them! Into the bomb disposal units!"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169805/Facing-death-day-The-dangerous-job-earth.html

    Or check ordnance… (Bugs was definitely hetero)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Did you know that Phyllis Schlafly spent the Second World War testing machine guns?


    She worked her way through college on the night shift at the St. Louis Ordnance Plant testing .30 and .50 caliber ammunition by firing rifles and machine guns and as a laboratory technician investigating misfires and photographing tracer bullets in flight

    https://eagleforum.org/about/bio.html
  82. Relevant:

    In a public debate on Open Borders (topic: “Let anyone take a job anywhere”), Bryan Caplan and Vivek Wadhwa got crushed by Ron Unz and Kathleen Newland. (Transcript, video).

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/11/open-borders-debate-let-recriminations.html

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    From a commenter on that thread...

    Kathleen Newland and Ron Unz were incredibly weak in countering the absolute disaster argued for by the other side. Amazingly enough, Bryan and Vivek sucked even worse.

    1. Bryan Caplan's hypothetical that you could let everybody in, yet prevent them from getting suffrage is completely untenable.

    2. Is Ron Unz aware that the minimum wage would have to be adjusted by inflation? Otherwise prices would simply rise and his 15$ minimum wage becomes worthless. This in turn would open the floodgates for good.

    3. Workers aren't just differentiated by levels of compensation. Ron's assumption that american workers would keep their jobs at minimum wage levels is unfounded.

    4. Unz and Newland conveyed to their affluent audience that they would personally benefit, but should object to open borders out of the goodness of their hearts. That is a bad move. They should have pointed out negative effects on the upper class. Why should we assume that the immigrant masses would respect the rights of capital owners or support the kinds of programs and policies the upper class enjoys?

    5. All of the panelists assume that prosperity comes from people who create websites. No mention of natural resources and land. (Unz talked about capital but didn't specify what he meant by that).

    6. All of the panelists assume that immigrants are individualistic rational profit-maximizers who only migrate because of accurate evaluations of lifetime earnings prospects.

    Based on the shared premises of the debaters, Bryan Caplan's conclusions are correct. He lost a battle, but not necessarily the war. He played offense; the others defense.
  83. @Charles Pewitt
    I'm recognizing a pattern of geezer boy globalizers who were corporate propaganda whores for ABC News and both wear rugs to cover their stupid bald mutton heads.

    Sam Donaldson and George Will are two White globalizer geezer sleazebag corporate propaganda whores who push mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    White Core America must make it a priority to dislodge every damn last corporate propaganda whore and all the corporate propaganda controllers and destroy all these damn anti-White media outlets who push mass immigration while attacking the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1183794407302221824?s=20

    Bill Barr wears Sam’s old wigs.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Bill Barr wears Sam’s old wigs.

     

    Attorney General Bill Barr is a walking Sidney Lumet movie. Both Barr's parents were on the faculty of Columbia University. Barr was born in 1950 in New York City to a Jew father and an Irish mother.

    William Barr plays the bagpipes -- Irish or Scottish bagpipes I imagine -- and he seems to enjoy a good lunch.

    William Barr just gave a speech at Notre Dame where he made the case for religious liberty, but Barr don't mention central banking or globalization or financialization or government debt or private debt to more fully discuss what the Hell is going on in European Christendom.

    I'm not sure Barr is bald. The question arises from the Bald Bastards Of America -- of which club I am a member: Did Bill Barr sell his soul to the Devil for that thick head of hair or did he use an artifice of some sort to get that mop on his head?

    Another question: Can Bill Barr play the Welsh bagpipes?

    LLoyd's Whim -- Welsh Bagpipes -- an excursion to St. Brynach's church, Nevern:

    https://youtu.be/IBqIpECtE64
  84. These brahmins are like our other bete noir in that once you pull out the mirror and turn their critique back at them, Katy bar the door.

    Related: Scott Greer is Public Enemy #1 to Indian nationalists furious at him for comments along the lines of poo in loo. However, hilariously, a number of Pakistani and Kashmiri nationalists are showing up in his mentions to also gouge India.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    I read through that whole (ongoing?) tweet war—good times. :) His attackers are thin-skinned fabulists with simultaneous superiority/inferiority complexes. Greer is great at tweaking their egos, which to be honest isn’t difficult…

    Tweet that started it all:

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1183000228825313285

    Selected lolz:

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1183519787630186497

    https://twitter.com/calvincooIidge/status/1183612730986651649

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1183822523168935937
  85. @anon
    As another user stated, Wadweh is saying something with a grain of truth. When VC's talk about "pattern matching" they are talking about a few ethnic and socioeconomic templates for how they look at company founders. If a white guy isn't easily matchable to one of these, he'll face a higher degree of skepticism. And if said white guy is building a business outside of a few narrow domains, the skepticism will be ratcheted up, regardless of company financials and growth.

    Of course, Wadweh also fails to mention that the worst ethnic nepotists in tech are Indians.

    Of course, Wadweh also fails to mention that the worst ethnic nepotists in tech are Indians.

    It strikes that his railing against ‘white men’ like Zuckerberg is a bit forced. I suspect he has another group with a strong sense of ethnic solidarity in mind.

  86. So the reason a Master strength Chess or Bridge player is better than an amateur is because he more racist and sexist? Good to know.

    In the meantime, there really needs to be a “drop them off in the woods by themselves” test for these clowns. I imagine they would find pattern recognition a bit more useful than they had thought. Then again, maybe it is Racist to notice a brown bear is much more dangerous than a black bear.

    • Replies: @anon
    Then again, maybe it is Racist to notice a brown bear is much more dangerous than a black bear.

    "Bear" is just a social construct. Could be a grisly one, sure, but still just a social construct.
  87. @Anonymous
    I totally agree. That is why I'm the only true race-ist and sex-ist.

    Reality is race-ist and sex-ist.

    Ism means belief, and race + ism and sex + ism mean belief in the reality of race and sex and differences.

    Well, there are a bunch of us like you. Have you actually explained your beliefs to people?
    I’ve been telling people the same things for years and I’m fascinated by the most common response. Basically they are thunderstruck and have nothing to say, not even a perfunctory “I can’t even!”. It’s as if their brains can’t even process what they have just heard. I also suspect some others are silent because they might agree but can’t bring themselves to say it out loud.

  88. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Yascha Mounk at the Atlantic writes:

    "Democracy was on the ballot yesterday in Poland. It suffered a stinging defeat that will have consequences far beyond the country’s borders."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/why-polands-election-matters-beyond-its-borders/599992/

    Got that? The most popular party won the election, and this is a stinging defeat for Democracy.

    Pattern Recognition

    • Replies: @anon
    https://media.giphy.com/media/iNDnvyjHpuTxC/giphy.gif
  89. @theMann
    So the reason a Master strength Chess or Bridge player is better than an amateur is because he more racist and sexist? Good to know.


    In the meantime, there really needs to be a "drop them off in the woods by themselves" test for these clowns. I imagine they would find pattern recognition a bit more useful than they had thought. Then again, maybe it is Racist to notice a brown bear is much more dangerous than a black bear.

    Then again, maybe it is Racist to notice a brown bear is much more dangerous than a black bear.

    “Bear” is just a social construct. Could be a grisly one, sure, but still just a social construct.

  90. @AnotherDad
    Pattern Recognition

  91. @PiltdownMan
    Quite a few Indians, in contrast to East Asians in America, appear to have the gift of the gab. They’ve been been doing the guru hustle, both spiritual and secular, here in America, for perhaps a century

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

    How dare you insult The Maharishi of Beatles fame. I have a meditation mantra from him, though not directly, that I use sometimes. Back from when bllshitin’ dot Indians were exotic, not toxic, and at toxic immigration levels.

  92. @dr kill
    Bill Barr wears Sam's old wigs.

    Bill Barr wears Sam’s old wigs.

    Attorney General Bill Barr is a walking Sidney Lumet movie. Both Barr’s parents were on the faculty of Columbia University. Barr was born in 1950 in New York City to a Jew father and an Irish mother.

    William Barr plays the bagpipes — Irish or Scottish bagpipes I imagine — and he seems to enjoy a good lunch.

    William Barr just gave a speech at Notre Dame where he made the case for religious liberty, but Barr don’t mention central banking or globalization or financialization or government debt or private debt to more fully discuss what the Hell is going on in European Christendom.

    I’m not sure Barr is bald. The question arises from the Bald Bastards Of America — of which club I am a member: Did Bill Barr sell his soul to the Devil for that thick head of hair or did he use an artifice of some sort to get that mop on his head?

    Another question: Can Bill Barr play the Welsh bagpipes?

    LLoyd’s Whim — Welsh Bagpipes — an excursion to St. Brynach’s church, Nevern:

  93. @WowJustWow
    I thought they called private schools public schools over there.

    “public” = good but expensive (confusing name in part because they’re sort of the first generation of what we would recognize as a modern school: public as opposed to personal tutelage, not public as in federal).
    “grammar” = meritocratic, more accessible to peasants provided they swot.
    “secondary modern” = your parents hate you, but quietly absorbing incurable anguish is as English as Rugby School, so, in a sense, you are authentically in the same meta-system via your unhappiness.

  94. @El Dato
    Reminder that UK's Labour has officially gone Full "Gleichschaltung".

    Labour votes to abolish private schools at party conference: Party says it would ‘integrate’ independent schools into state sector, while universities would be told to ensure that no more than seven per cent of their students were privately educated.

    I won't belabour the point, the image of funky Bayrische Musik, non-aggressive, respectful marching and loud yelling (but diversily!) is all too apparent.

    Yeah, their big case for how this would totally work as planned was the highly monolithic and homogeneous school system of … Finland. The fact that the Finnish school system (and society) has other points of homogeneity never came up, nor did the comparative school success in Finland of very different newcomers.

  95. My racist pattern recognition informs me that given half a chance educated Indians, like Wadhwa, don’t hesitate to hie their swarthy backsides out of the Motherland and into western countries. My racist pattern recognition also informs me that by comparison there are almost no westerners beating down the doors to move to India.

    Most westerners have an aversion to public defecation.

    (After thought: Public defecation is acceptable in India and the presence of feces in the streets in places like San Francisco, LA and Seattle coincides with a rise in the Indian population in the those cities. Just saying.)

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @VivaLaMigra
    The UN says almost half the sickeningly bloated population of that Third World Hell Hole performs that nastiness on a daily basis. If the US, which has inflated its own population MOSTLY via immigration for about three decades, had grown as fast as India since the 1960's, we'd have over 700,000,000 million people now. Anyone still think India is a sane, responsible society?
    , @Anon

    My racist pattern recognition also informs me that by comparison there are almost no westerners beating down the doors to move to India.
     
    There used to be a lot, then the Indians ran them out again.
    Maybe we can do the same on our part.
  96. Viveka in Sanscrit literally means discrimination, a highly valuable intellectual faculty that the Indians rightly recognised.

  97. At least, for once, the title of the Indian bullshitter is factually correct. There are many patterns in race and sex, so pattern recognition is necessarily discriminating with regard to race and sex.

  98. @Jack Henson
    These brahmins are like our other bete noir in that once you pull out the mirror and turn their critique back at them, Katy bar the door.

    Related: Scott Greer is Public Enemy #1 to Indian nationalists furious at him for comments along the lines of poo in loo. However, hilariously, a number of Pakistani and Kashmiri nationalists are showing up in his mentions to also gouge India.

    I read through that whole (ongoing?) tweet war—good times. 🙂 His attackers are thin-skinned fabulists with simultaneous superiority/inferiority complexes. Greer is great at tweaking their egos, which to be honest isn’t difficult…

    [MORE]

    Tweet that started it all:

    Selected lolz:

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
    It's one of the more amusing things when a bunch of Pakistanis are using AR rhetorical Shivs about POO IN LOO and then FREE KASHMIR and offering to host Scott Greer at their compound. Surreal even.
  99. @Rob Lee
    Not that I sympathize with them at all (in fact they're my mortal enemies), but I imagine that the minions of purposeful ignorance probably have a tough psychological and emotional slog making 2+2=5.

    After all, before heading out to the Ministry of Propaganda in the morning, they have to help little Hunter and little Kahrie with their math homework, wherein 2+2 must definitely equal 4... if they're to get in to that $40k pre-k 'path to the Inner Circle' program.

    I imagine that the minions of purposeful ignorance probably have a tough psychological and emotional slog making 2+2=5.

    As an erstwhile standardized test coach, I can assure you critical thinking and logical reasoning, properly understood (“critical thinking” not to be confused with “critical [insert field here] studies” aka postmodernist deconstruction), are actually quite difficult skills to teach to over 95% of the population. (About 25 percent of my clients understood with little to no effort and another 25% could “get it” with some serious effort, but as I was working almost exclusively with polyglot, college-graduate, urban professionals it was safe to say that sample was heavily rightward-skewed.) For most folk, including those with master’s degrees, it will be sufficient that an interlocutor asserts that precious doctrine X he’s been brainwashed with at state schools or Ivy/Oxbridge annexes all his life are in fact true, and that data points A, B and C confirm X, regardless of whether there is any actual link. But usually there will be enough superficial relationship that the anxious subject will not see the need to cogitate further, and so the dissonance will not be exposed.

  100. isn’t that what serious HBD is? elite level pattern recognition. for the rigorous stuff, where it’s laid out with numbers and is a scientific hypothesis that makes predictions and checks them for accuracy, it took really smart guys over 100 years to come up with highly accurate HBD theory.

    i’d say HBD is now solid enough to use the scientific version of the word theory. like plate tectonics, electromagnetism, or evolution, it took a century or more to go beyond common sense notions – people around the world are different and behave different – to get to things extremely specific, like smart fraction hypothesis, how technology actually works and why there wasn’t any for 200,000 years whereas today it advances every decade, how humans could do nothing for 100,000 years but then in only 500 years they could get to other planets, and so on.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "isn’t that what serious HBD is? elite level pattern recognition."

    No.

    "i’d say HBD is now solid enough to use the scientific version of the word theory. like plate tectonics, electromagnetism, or evolution"

    Why don't you commission yourself to write a children's book on the matter? Pitch it to a major publisher. Make tons of cash. Seriously, you have the intellectual chops to pull it off...

    Wait, who/whom am I kidding?
  101. @Senor Moose
    In the case of Eton, it is "open to the public" in the sense of "open to the public that can afford to pay 42,000 quid a year in tuition."

    The nomenclature is admittedly confusing: Brits usually talk about "independent" schools versus "state" schools. The former are what Americans would call "private" schools, while the latter are what Americans would call "public" schools. And what people in the UK call "public schools" are a subset of "independent" schools that are especially old and prestigious (places like Eton, Harrow, etc.).

    One further wrinkle: The UK has "grammar schools," which are publicly funded but selective. They are something like magnet schools in the States. And, as in the States, they tend to be politically divisive, with the left generally disliking them.

    So the categories of school are similar in essence, with difference only in name.

  102. @Senor Moose
    In the case of Eton, it is "open to the public" in the sense of "open to the public that can afford to pay 42,000 quid a year in tuition."

    The nomenclature is admittedly confusing: Brits usually talk about "independent" schools versus "state" schools. The former are what Americans would call "private" schools, while the latter are what Americans would call "public" schools. And what people in the UK call "public schools" are a subset of "independent" schools that are especially old and prestigious (places like Eton, Harrow, etc.).

    One further wrinkle: The UK has "grammar schools," which are publicly funded but selective. They are something like magnet schools in the States. And, as in the States, they tend to be politically divisive, with the left generally disliking them.

    Grammar schools were abolished about 50 40 years ago because too many blacks and browns failed the admission test given at age 11. Like all merit tests they were deemed discriminatory.

    It was also a great way to desegregate the state schools and sent White children to be abused by blacks and browns. Also a great way to ensure White children don’t progress past the equivalent of American 6th grade. Purpose was equality for blacks and brown and preventing Whites whose families can’t afford private school tuition from rising to middle class.

    It was a major reason the former working class became the life long welfare class

    State middle/high schools are called Comprehensives. They’re modeled on American high schools that have everything from AP to special Ed in one school. Ends at 16 as long as they pass the General Certificate of Secondary Education. Can take the exams at 15 if they think they can pass. If they never pass the exams they don’t graduate. Some jobs require the GCSE.

    The good news is that there are a gazillion legitimate apprenticeships in England that lead to good jobs with licenses and certificates. One reason British movies TV and theater are so great is the plethora of drama and theater schools. Admission is by talent and the agents and casting directors are always looking for talent. Best thing about apprenticeships is that they lead to skills and jobs.

    Lots more apprenticeship programs in England than US. One distant relative apprenticed himself to a furniture maker. Now he has his own shop and makes high end bespoke furniture. Much better than some lower management, accountant or solicitor stuck in a cubicle all day.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    I didn't know they had enough POCs that long ago to follow the same pattern as the American school system at around the same time. Or maybe American progressive innovations just spread that quickly to Europe regardless?
  103. @Anon
    The more America listens to these Indian gurus, the more we will look like India.

    You mean an overpopulated shit hole – literally. I’m not some “racist” saying that. The UN’s own “World Health Organization” [aka WHO] says that 600,000,000 Indians lack what they call an “organized latrine.” IOW, they’re either too dumb, or too lazy, to dig a trench, take a crap, and cover said crap with dirt! Instead they use what must presumably be called an “unorganized latrine” – they drop trou and crap wherever they feel like it. And this so-called “world’s largest English-speaking democracy” is going to inherit the 21st Century? I’m an atheist, but even I’d say “God Help Us!:

    • Replies: @anon
    Even TED knows.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V35Vw29tay0
  104. @Kolya Krassotkin
    My racist pattern recognition informs me that given half a chance educated Indians, like Wadhwa, don't hesitate to hie their swarthy backsides out of the Motherland and into western countries. My racist pattern recognition also informs me that by comparison there are almost no westerners beating down the doors to move to India.

    Most westerners have an aversion to public defecation.

    (After thought: Public defecation is acceptable in India and the presence of feces in the streets in places like San Francisco, LA and Seattle coincides with a rise in the Indian population in the those cities. Just saying.)

    The UN says almost half the sickeningly bloated population of that Third World Hell Hole performs that nastiness on a daily basis. If the US, which has inflated its own population MOSTLY via immigration for about three decades, had grown as fast as India since the 1960’s, we’d have over 700,000,000 million people now. Anyone still think India is a sane, responsible society?

    • Replies: @Nico
    It is a truism among Hindus and the P.C. that Britain ruined the economic situation of the Indian subcontinent and the Indian people, a charge curious to consider in light of the 30% growth of the Indian population over the 19th century. Britain left India with a demographic dividend that they are now exploiting to its full potential, much to the woe of those of us who prefer the world be richer in red meat and poorer in streetside feces.
  105. @Bardon Kaldian
    http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/krishnamurti.html

    Checking out YouTube, it is easy to see how he was a sensation among the proto New Agey crowd in America ninety years ago. As an aside, his is not an accent you hear in the speech of today’s Indian immigrants.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuRH9dl6LU4

  106. @VivaLaMigra
    You mean an overpopulated shit hole - literally. I'm not some "racist" saying that. The UN's own "World Health Organization" [aka WHO] says that 600,000,000 Indians lack what they call an "organized latrine." IOW, they're either too dumb, or too lazy, to dig a trench, take a crap, and cover said crap with dirt! Instead they use what must presumably be called an "unorganized latrine" - they drop trou and crap wherever they feel like it. And this so-called "world's largest English-speaking democracy" is going to inherit the 21st Century? I'm an atheist, but even I'd say "God Help Us!:

    Even TED knows.

  107. @Alden
    Grammar schools were abolished about 50 40 years ago because too many blacks and browns failed the admission test given at age 11. Like all merit tests they were deemed discriminatory.

    It was also a great way to desegregate the state schools and sent White children to be abused by blacks and browns. Also a great way to ensure White children don’t progress past the equivalent of American 6th grade. Purpose was equality for blacks and brown and preventing Whites whose families can’t afford private school tuition from rising to middle class.

    It was a major reason the former working class became the life long welfare class

    State middle/high schools are called Comprehensives. They’re modeled on American high schools that have everything from AP to special Ed in one school. Ends at 16 as long as they pass the General Certificate of Secondary Education. Can take the exams at 15 if they think they can pass. If they never pass the exams they don’t graduate. Some jobs require the GCSE.

    The good news is that there are a gazillion legitimate apprenticeships in England that lead to good jobs with licenses and certificates. One reason British movies TV and theater are so great is the plethora of drama and theater schools. Admission is by talent and the agents and casting directors are always looking for talent. Best thing about apprenticeships is that they lead to skills and jobs.


    Lots more apprenticeship programs in England than US. One distant relative apprenticed himself to a furniture maker. Now he has his own shop and makes high end bespoke furniture. Much better than some lower management, accountant or solicitor stuck in a cubicle all day.

    I didn’t know they had enough POCs that long ago to follow the same pattern as the American school system at around the same time. Or maybe American progressive innovations just spread that quickly to Europe regardless?

    • Replies: @Alden
    As soon as the first Jamaicans arrived in 1948 the Jamaicans and liberals created a gazillion grievance groups.

    Martin Amis was a popular mid century author. His main characters were mostly men newly graduated from college in their first jobs.

    One of the heroes in a mid 50’s book worked for a local government civil rights agency . Every day a Caribbean immigrant would arrive.

    “ My landlady’s a racist” What’s she done?”
    “ Wants to evict me just because I haven’t paid rent for 6 months”

    It started a long, long time ago when it was rare to see a black anywhere in England. Just look at the power the gay 3 percent in America has.
  108. Does anyone else have the feel that the concept of pattern recognition is bigger than venture capitalism? Like, somehow I may have encountered it in the course of regular life a time or two.

    By the way, don’t they want them keeping track of white racism? What if there were no patterns of that stuff to be recognized? Venture capitalists might accidentally end up giving all their capital to “alt-right” frog nazis.

  109. @Reg Cæsar
    Is caste another name for pattern recognition?

    Or pattern imposition.

  110. @eah

    Probably. You know, the odds are against it. Along the lines of myself receiving the Nobel Prize for literature. (I have written short stories and short poems, but they all suck and none have been published unless you count websites that publish most anything.)

  111. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    I read through that whole (ongoing?) tweet war—good times. :) His attackers are thin-skinned fabulists with simultaneous superiority/inferiority complexes. Greer is great at tweaking their egos, which to be honest isn’t difficult…

    Tweet that started it all:

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1183000228825313285

    Selected lolz:

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1183519787630186497

    https://twitter.com/calvincooIidge/status/1183612730986651649

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1183822523168935937

    It’s one of the more amusing things when a bunch of Pakistanis are using AR rhetorical Shivs about POO IN LOO and then FREE KASHMIR and offering to host Scott Greer at their compound. Surreal even.

  112. Polar thoughts come to mind when reading and contemplating silicon valley in clown world. Clown world is a psy-op conducted by a foreign interest wanting to move the world tech hub from the silicon valley to it’s own nation among other things.

    The other thought is that this actually presents an opportunity for Western counter-revolutionary dissidents to out compete these clowns and take control of the cutting edge companies in a wide swath of industries and institutions.

  113. @Paul
    'Pattern Recognition Is Another Name for Racism and Sexism'


    If that is true, then racism and sexism are good things. Humans and many other species could not have survived without pattern recognition.

    Without pattern recognition I would never have survived walking the streets of Oakland.

  114. @VivaLaMigra
    The UN says almost half the sickeningly bloated population of that Third World Hell Hole performs that nastiness on a daily basis. If the US, which has inflated its own population MOSTLY via immigration for about three decades, had grown as fast as India since the 1960's, we'd have over 700,000,000 million people now. Anyone still think India is a sane, responsible society?

    It is a truism among Hindus and the P.C. that Britain ruined the economic situation of the Indian subcontinent and the Indian people, a charge curious to consider in light of the 30% growth of the Indian population over the 19th century. Britain left India with a demographic dividend that they are now exploiting to its full potential, much to the woe of those of us who prefer the world be richer in red meat and poorer in streetside feces.

  115. @prime noticer
    isn't that what serious HBD is? elite level pattern recognition. for the rigorous stuff, where it's laid out with numbers and is a scientific hypothesis that makes predictions and checks them for accuracy, it took really smart guys over 100 years to come up with highly accurate HBD theory.

    i'd say HBD is now solid enough to use the scientific version of the word theory. like plate tectonics, electromagnetism, or evolution, it took a century or more to go beyond common sense notions - people around the world are different and behave different - to get to things extremely specific, like smart fraction hypothesis, how technology actually works and why there wasn't any for 200,000 years whereas today it advances every decade, how humans could do nothing for 100,000 years but then in only 500 years they could get to other planets, and so on.

    “isn’t that what serious HBD is? elite level pattern recognition.”

    No.

    “i’d say HBD is now solid enough to use the scientific version of the word theory. like plate tectonics, electromagnetism, or evolution”

    Why don’t you commission yourself to write a children’s book on the matter? Pitch it to a major publisher. Make tons of cash. Seriously, you have the intellectual chops to pull it off…

    Wait, who/whom am I kidding?

  116. @Bubba
    Or check ordnance... (Bugs was definitely hetero)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJKcdlj-Uiw

    Did you know that Phyllis Schlafly spent the Second World War testing machine guns?

    She worked her way through college on the night shift at the St. Louis Ordnance Plant testing .30 and .50 caliber ammunition by firing rifles and machine guns and as a laboratory technician investigating misfires and photographing tracer bullets in flight

    https://eagleforum.org/about/bio.html

    • Replies: @Bubba
    What a woman! I miss her terribly... and she singlehandedly stopped the ERA amendment! The ADA was just a law and a complete disaster, but imagine the destruction that would have done by an ERA amendment 20 years earlier.

    She was under attack 24X7 by her numerous enemies. I'll never forget a C-SPAN segment where she was answering questions after a college speech. There was a line of 5 or 6 college students standing in line to ask questions, but there was a feminist woman sitting next to the microphone feeding each one of them questions that could be overheard. I couldn't believe that these supposedly independent, free-thinking college students would let themselves be used as mindless blatant props repeating questions. Needless to say, Phyllis thoroughly destroyed each questioner.

    , @Bubba
    And thank you for bring up her memory and providing the bio link. She loathed the feminists and did not suffer their insane arguments gladly. I really miss listening to her and reading her columns. In a sane world she would have received the Medal of Freedom and President Trump would have probably done it had she lived another year.
  117. @ManosArriba
    Relevant:

    In a public debate on Open Borders (topic: "Let anyone take a job anywhere"), Bryan Caplan and Vivek Wadhwa got crushed by Ron Unz and Kathleen Newland. (Transcript, video).
     
    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/11/open-borders-debate-let-recriminations.html

    From a commenter on that thread…

    Kathleen Newland and Ron Unz were incredibly weak in countering the absolute disaster argued for by the other side. Amazingly enough, Bryan and Vivek sucked even worse.

    1. Bryan Caplan’s hypothetical that you could let everybody in, yet prevent them from getting suffrage is completely untenable.

    2. Is Ron Unz aware that the minimum wage would have to be adjusted by inflation? Otherwise prices would simply rise and his 15$ minimum wage becomes worthless. This in turn would open the floodgates for good.

    3. Workers aren’t just differentiated by levels of compensation. Ron’s assumption that american workers would keep their jobs at minimum wage levels is unfounded.

    4. Unz and Newland conveyed to their affluent audience that they would personally benefit, but should object to open borders out of the goodness of their hearts. That is a bad move. They should have pointed out negative effects on the upper class. Why should we assume that the immigrant masses would respect the rights of capital owners or support the kinds of programs and policies the upper class enjoys?

    5. All of the panelists assume that prosperity comes from people who create websites. No mention of natural resources and land. (Unz talked about capital but didn’t specify what he meant by that).

    6. All of the panelists assume that immigrants are individualistic rational profit-maximizers who only migrate because of accurate evaluations of lifetime earnings prospects.

    Based on the shared premises of the debaters, Bryan Caplan’s conclusions are correct. He lost a battle, but not necessarily the war. He played offense; the others defense.

    • Replies: @Old Jew
    In 11th grade, I was taught in Economics (Marxist version) about "The Organic Composition of Capital". In brief, the USA has 13 million manufacturing jobs. The total value of the capital in US was/is (2018) about 30 trillion dollars. So to employ one worker we (USA) use about one to 2 million in capital (equipment, machinery land, transportation means, etc).

    To employ 1 million of new immigrants, at the same pay we need one or two more trillion of capital.

    On our average long-term GDP growth of 3 - 4% per year, it takes to 2-3 years to create the needed additional capital. Even with zero growth of the native USA population, the industry cannot absorb more than 400 thousand qualified immigrants a year. To admit more, only increases the amount of unemployed.

    Neither Bryan Caplan (Economics Professor) nor Ron Unz brought up this line of reasoning.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    6. All of the panelists assume that immigrants are individualistic rational profit-maximizers who only migrate because of accurate evaluations of lifetime earnings prospects.
     
    That's pretty much the case, isn't it? What other draw do we have?
  118. @Corvinus
    From a commenter on that thread...

    Kathleen Newland and Ron Unz were incredibly weak in countering the absolute disaster argued for by the other side. Amazingly enough, Bryan and Vivek sucked even worse.

    1. Bryan Caplan's hypothetical that you could let everybody in, yet prevent them from getting suffrage is completely untenable.

    2. Is Ron Unz aware that the minimum wage would have to be adjusted by inflation? Otherwise prices would simply rise and his 15$ minimum wage becomes worthless. This in turn would open the floodgates for good.

    3. Workers aren't just differentiated by levels of compensation. Ron's assumption that american workers would keep their jobs at minimum wage levels is unfounded.

    4. Unz and Newland conveyed to their affluent audience that they would personally benefit, but should object to open borders out of the goodness of their hearts. That is a bad move. They should have pointed out negative effects on the upper class. Why should we assume that the immigrant masses would respect the rights of capital owners or support the kinds of programs and policies the upper class enjoys?

    5. All of the panelists assume that prosperity comes from people who create websites. No mention of natural resources and land. (Unz talked about capital but didn't specify what he meant by that).

    6. All of the panelists assume that immigrants are individualistic rational profit-maximizers who only migrate because of accurate evaluations of lifetime earnings prospects.

    Based on the shared premises of the debaters, Bryan Caplan's conclusions are correct. He lost a battle, but not necessarily the war. He played offense; the others defense.

    In 11th grade, I was taught in Economics (Marxist version) about “The Organic Composition of Capital”. In brief, the USA has 13 million manufacturing jobs. The total value of the capital in US was/is (2018) about 30 trillion dollars. So to employ one worker we (USA) use about one to 2 million in capital (equipment, machinery land, transportation means, etc).

    To employ 1 million of new immigrants, at the same pay we need one or two more trillion of capital.

    On our average long-term GDP growth of 3 – 4% per year, it takes to 2-3 years to create the needed additional capital. Even with zero growth of the native USA population, the industry cannot absorb more than 400 thousand qualified immigrants a year. To admit more, only increases the amount of unemployed.

    Neither Bryan Caplan (Economics Professor) nor Ron Unz brought up this line of reasoning.

  119. @Kolya Krassotkin
    My racist pattern recognition informs me that given half a chance educated Indians, like Wadhwa, don't hesitate to hie their swarthy backsides out of the Motherland and into western countries. My racist pattern recognition also informs me that by comparison there are almost no westerners beating down the doors to move to India.

    Most westerners have an aversion to public defecation.

    (After thought: Public defecation is acceptable in India and the presence of feces in the streets in places like San Francisco, LA and Seattle coincides with a rise in the Indian population in the those cities. Just saying.)

    My racist pattern recognition also informs me that by comparison there are almost no westerners beating down the doors to move to India.

    There used to be a lot, then the Indians ran them out again.
    Maybe we can do the same on our part.

  120. @Reg Cæsar
    Did you know that Phyllis Schlafly spent the Second World War testing machine guns?


    She worked her way through college on the night shift at the St. Louis Ordnance Plant testing .30 and .50 caliber ammunition by firing rifles and machine guns and as a laboratory technician investigating misfires and photographing tracer bullets in flight

    https://eagleforum.org/about/bio.html

    What a woman! I miss her terribly… and she singlehandedly stopped the ERA amendment! The ADA was just a law and a complete disaster, but imagine the destruction that would have done by an ERA amendment 20 years earlier.

    She was under attack 24X7 by her numerous enemies. I’ll never forget a C-SPAN segment where she was answering questions after a college speech. There was a line of 5 or 6 college students standing in line to ask questions, but there was a feminist woman sitting next to the microphone feeding each one of them questions that could be overheard. I couldn’t believe that these supposedly independent, free-thinking college students would let themselves be used as mindless blatant props repeating questions. Needless to say, Phyllis thoroughly destroyed each questioner.

  121. @Reg Cæsar
    Did you know that Phyllis Schlafly spent the Second World War testing machine guns?


    She worked her way through college on the night shift at the St. Louis Ordnance Plant testing .30 and .50 caliber ammunition by firing rifles and machine guns and as a laboratory technician investigating misfires and photographing tracer bullets in flight

    https://eagleforum.org/about/bio.html

    And thank you for bring up her memory and providing the bio link. She loathed the feminists and did not suffer their insane arguments gladly. I really miss listening to her and reading her columns. In a sane world she would have received the Medal of Freedom and President Trump would have probably done it had she lived another year.

  122. @Corvinus
    From a commenter on that thread...

    Kathleen Newland and Ron Unz were incredibly weak in countering the absolute disaster argued for by the other side. Amazingly enough, Bryan and Vivek sucked even worse.

    1. Bryan Caplan's hypothetical that you could let everybody in, yet prevent them from getting suffrage is completely untenable.

    2. Is Ron Unz aware that the minimum wage would have to be adjusted by inflation? Otherwise prices would simply rise and his 15$ minimum wage becomes worthless. This in turn would open the floodgates for good.

    3. Workers aren't just differentiated by levels of compensation. Ron's assumption that american workers would keep their jobs at minimum wage levels is unfounded.

    4. Unz and Newland conveyed to their affluent audience that they would personally benefit, but should object to open borders out of the goodness of their hearts. That is a bad move. They should have pointed out negative effects on the upper class. Why should we assume that the immigrant masses would respect the rights of capital owners or support the kinds of programs and policies the upper class enjoys?

    5. All of the panelists assume that prosperity comes from people who create websites. No mention of natural resources and land. (Unz talked about capital but didn't specify what he meant by that).

    6. All of the panelists assume that immigrants are individualistic rational profit-maximizers who only migrate because of accurate evaluations of lifetime earnings prospects.

    Based on the shared premises of the debaters, Bryan Caplan's conclusions are correct. He lost a battle, but not necessarily the war. He played offense; the others defense.

    6. All of the panelists assume that immigrants are individualistic rational profit-maximizers who only migrate because of accurate evaluations of lifetime earnings prospects.

    That’s pretty much the case, isn’t it? What other draw do we have?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "That’s pretty much the case, isn’t it?"

    Actually, #6 represents one of many factors why immigrants leave their homeland.
  123. @WowJustWow
    I didn't know they had enough POCs that long ago to follow the same pattern as the American school system at around the same time. Or maybe American progressive innovations just spread that quickly to Europe regardless?

    As soon as the first Jamaicans arrived in 1948 the Jamaicans and liberals created a gazillion grievance groups.

    Martin Amis was a popular mid century author. His main characters were mostly men newly graduated from college in their first jobs.

    One of the heroes in a mid 50’s book worked for a local government civil rights agency . Every day a Caribbean immigrant would arrive.

    “ My landlady’s a racist” What’s she done?”
    “ Wants to evict me just because I haven’t paid rent for 6 months”

    It started a long, long time ago when it was rare to see a black anywhere in England. Just look at the power the gay 3 percent in America has.

  124. @Reg Cæsar

    6. All of the panelists assume that immigrants are individualistic rational profit-maximizers who only migrate because of accurate evaluations of lifetime earnings prospects.
     
    That's pretty much the case, isn't it? What other draw do we have?

    “That’s pretty much the case, isn’t it?”

    Actually, #6 represents one of many factors why immigrants leave their homeland.

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