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From the Albany Times Union:

Fires trail Hussain family

By Steve Hughes and Brendan J. Lyons Updated 7:40 pm EDT, Thursday, October 11, 2018

COLONIE — The former FBI informant who owns the limousine involved in the fatal Schoharie crash has faced scrutiny at least twice for costly fires, including one that destroyed a Bentley luxury car and another that burned down a residence in Loudonville.

Neither Shahed Hussain nor his two sons, Nauman and Shahyer, were accused of wrongdoing in the incidents.

The first blaze occurred in October 2003 and, at the time, Shahed Hussain was working as an informant for the FBI in a counter-terrorism sting in Albany. His undercover role in the terror case brought FBI agents to the scene of the fire out of concern that someone may have identified their informant and wanted to kill him.

The fire destroyed the Route 9 residence and nearly killed Hussain’s wife, Yasmeem Begum, who was alone in the house and had been trapped on the second floor when it started. …

The second fire took place in 2013 after Hussain’s son, Shahyer, returned a 2005 Bentley Continental GT to the Warren County auto dealer where the vehicle had been purchased. Shahyer Hussain said the vehicle had a transmission problem and that it may be covered by the manufacturer’s warranty. …

Anyway, the Hussain family reminds me of my January 2018 column in Taki’s MagazineImmigration and the Deep State.” For the Deep State, Trump’s plan to cut back on immigration is Crazy Talk because America needs rogue immigrants like Shahed Hussain, death limo owner, to spy on all the other rogue immigrants we let in.

For the security services, the immigration of bad guys like Hussain is a self-licking ice cream cone. We can’t deport Hussain because we can use him to play agent provocateur to turn other potential bad guy immigrants into actual bad guy immigrants. Rinse and repeat.

Hussain was the designated bad guy in the 2014 HBO documentary The Newburgh Sting about bomb threats to a couple of Bronx synagogues and plans to shoot down military cargo planes with Stinger missiles:

 
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  1. wren says:

    Maybe they got their limo from the Awan brothers’ car dealership, CIA cars.

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/12/19/house-it-aides-ran-car-dealership-with-markings-of-a-nefarious-money-laundering-operation/

    I wonder what is going on with those guys, anyway.

    Probably the same kind of deal with the Hussains.

    • Replies: @densa
  2. Jack D says:

    Not to worry. Although the first generation is a little shady, the 2nd generation grows up to be fine upstanding American businessmen like Michael Corleone.

    https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Cops-Brothers-impersonated-each-other-in-Cohoes-5217131.php

    The Bentley fire thing is heartbreaking – it basically ruined the life of the white guy mechanic whose shop they set fire to.

    Part of the story makes no sense – why would you rip out the transmission cooler line? An earlier attempt to set it on fire or an attempt to get the dealer to take the car back?

    These guys are good at tricking other 90 IQ Muslims and high trust white people but now that 20 people are dead the spotlight is on them and they are going to have a lot of ‘splainin’ to do.

    Apparently this whole America saga started when Dad killed someone in Pakistan and had to flee, so these people were just what America needed from the get go.

    Give me your murderers, your arsonists, your insurance scammers, your huddled tribesmen yearning to escape the blood feud….

    • Replies: @F0337
    , @Paul Jolliffe
  3. I have said this a few times:

    In 1972 I met a fellow who was part of the Arkansas VVAW, who was part of a group of veterans who were taking evidence to Miami for one of the political conventions about US government involvement in the Opium trade in SE Asia. The veterans were arrested by the FBI basically to keep them away from the convention. This was the first time I had ever heard about the CIA and drug running in SE Asia. These days we know all about it, but back then it was a big secret.

    This vet told me about an FBI agent provacatuer in the VVAW, Bill Lemmer, who would convince people to commit violent acts, help them make bombs, then call the FBI.

    One of the stories the vet told me was later reported in Rolling Stone. This was a 1974 article, but I heard this story in the summer of 1972:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/hogtown-justice-the-vvaw-and-the-72-republican-convention-69854/

    It was only now and then that Wild Bill recruited an actual follower, but when he did, he made full use of him. Mark Vanseal became one of the first. Vanseal was 17 at the time, and the regional coordinator had little trouble convincing the youngster, in the fall of ’71, to incinerate a landmark University of Arkansas building called Old Main. Lemmer gave him a few tips on firebomb manufacturing, and the two crept onto the campus one dark night. Every light in Old Main was on. Very suspicious. “Just pour the gasoline under the door, toss a Molotov on it, and split,” were Wild Bill’s instructions. Lemmer would wait for Vanseal by an old stone wall out of view.

    Vanseal walked into the arms of FBI agents before he got to the porch. The judge ordered him to serve up to his 21st birthday in prison. Lemmer took off his camouflage jacket and told the local VVAW he read about poor Vanseal in the morning paper.

    This was one of several stories I heard about Lemmer.

    Years later, I got to be close friends with another Vietnam Vet who had never joined the VVAW. All his friends, including the vet I met in 1072, were cool with that. Except Lemmer. My friend told me Lemmer was constantly bugging him to join the VVAW. I guess Lemmer needed another mark.

    This particular Pakistani fellow seems to be the 21st Century equivilent of Bill Lemmer. It appears the FBI has not changed in all that time.

    The moral?

    If you are in any sort of organization with a political bent, and there is someone inciting violence, that person is probably a sociopath, an FBI informant, or both. Most likely both.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  4. J.Ross says: • Website

    Have no fear. The Pakistani immigrants will be be neutralized by waves of Indians, who will themselves eventually be conquered by Afghans. The Afghans can be controlled by two drunks who have read a Manley Hall pamphet on Freemasonic symbolism.
    ————
    OT This is not real, but it’s frighteningly possible.

  5. Mangle the Arabic names all you want. But Dutch…

    “Colonie” is stressed on the final syllable, though in combinations like Colonie Center it can drift to the first for euphony.

    “Schoharie” starts with an SK- sound, and is stressed in the middle. I’m not sure if that syllable is pronounced “Harry” or “hairy”. Probably either way, depending on the individual.

    I’ve noticed that Chicago and Omaha are pronounced slightly differently by natives than by outsiders.

  6. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Paleo Liberal

    There’s an oft-quoted 4chan story, impossible to verify, but probably not only true but true in many incidences, of a sting falling apart because all the government-hating redneck bomb builders in the organization were actually in federal agencies that had not coordinated properly. Ruby Ridge happened because real “militia” types want neither to make illegal weapons nor to turn in their neighbors. FBI informants are massively overrepresented in crimes (including the ’12-’13 freak year of weekly mass shootings), but that doesn’t necessarily prove government terrorism because after all FBI informants are the absolute scum of the earth to begin with.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Lot
  7. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Arabic pronunciation is objectively simpler than Dutch. With Arabic you know there are some new sounds; with Dutch or for that matter Polish you must forget what you know. Consider the proper pronunciation of a very Dutch name almost every American has said aloud multiple times, van Gogh.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @MBlanc46
  8. Bugg says:

    Wouldn’t have to worry about Islamic terrorism if you kept all of them out it the first place. The FBI and CIA big brains who run dirtbag informants like this Hussain miscreant might have to find honest work.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
  9. George says:

    “Pakistan Is Not Sending Their Best”

    Hussain is the best. I have to admire him in an Ayn Randian way.

    BTW, no calls to release the chumps he got tossed in jail. Where are the BLM people.

  10. The guys that Hussain entrapped were essentially down on their luck black dudes from Newburgh. I doubt they had the skills to make a sandwich, never mind a bomb. So this is what we have: a Pakistani con artist who was wanted for murder back home, who does nothing but fail the moment he arrives here…and what does the FBI do. They start paying him to entrap American citizens who are probably mentally ill. Your gubmint at work.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  11. @J.Ross

    Don’t confuse feature with bug.

  12. @J.Ross

    Everything the government said about Ruby Ridge was a lie.

    I used to know a guy in that part of the country, another Vietnam vet, who knew Randy Weaver from gun shows. My friend HATED the militias, but liked Weaver.

    According to my friend, Weaver was not part of a militia, but had close friends who were in militias. The FBI wanted Weaver to join a militia and act as an informant. When he refused, they set him up for the weapons charge. Then they murdered his minor son, his dog, and his wife, while his wife was carrying a baby.

    I also read the account by his attorney, Gerry Spence. It seems Bo Gritz got Weaver to surrender by telling Weaver that Gerry Spence, who had never lost a criminal case, would represent him. Gritz didn’t ask Spence first. Spence, a liberal Democrat, was skeptical at first, but later decided Weaver was a victim of an FBI hit squad. Spence got Weaver acquitted.

    I agree with Spence. I may strongly disagree with Weaver’s politics, but he is an American and all Americans deserve their rights.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Desiderius
  13. Steve, how do you know Pakistan is not sending their best? Maybe Shahed Hussain is their best…

    • LOL: Anonym
  14. Jack D says:
    @Bragadocious

    American citizens who are probably mentally ill

    The black guys he entrapped were not mentally ill unless you consider stupidity to be a mental illness.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  15. istevefan says:
    @J.Ross

    I thought a few months back during a similar discussion someone produced a Simpson’s clip from a show in which they had to import some strange foreign animal to eat the previously imported animal that was brought in to take care of some problem.

    I can’t find the clip. If someone knows about it, please post.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @anon
    , @Pentheus
  16. t says:

    OT: Chinatown job agency accused of exploiting Latino workers to shut down. https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/chinatown-xing-ying-job-agency-lisa-madigan-exploiting-latino-undocumented-workers-consent-decree-shut-down/

    Something funny is going on here they’re hiring Hispanics through Chinese language newspapers?

    • Replies: @t
  17. @Bugg

    We would have kept out more potential bad guys if DT had just ramped up screening. As it was, when his bans were tied up in the courts, we basically had Obama’s visitors policy (perhaps slightly tightened up by DT).

    DT cultists will claim that Trump was ramping up screening enough. If he was doing that, then his bans weren’t needed. If he wasn’t, then he endangered the USA. Which is it? (If this comment is posted, expect Trump cultists to respond in the usual way: with lies, smears, deflection, etc. All things this site should oppose but doesn’t.)

    On a wider note, focusing on one country or one religion as this post and so many like it does just helps the pro-immigration side. Soros etc don’t need to engage in COINTELPRO when their supposed opponents do it naturally.

  18. t says:
    @t

    Here’s a longer article.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/undocumented-immigrants-mexicans-latinos-asian-restaurant-jobs-underpaid-exploited-illinois-lawsuit-labor-trafficking-lisa-madigan/

    Looks like paying Mexicans substandard wages is a job Americans won’t do, that’s why we need to import Chinese.

  19. Lot says:
    @J.Ross

    To the FBI/NSA people reading this thread: J ROSS and Paleoliberal speak only for themselves! Blue lives matter!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Anon
  20. MBlanc46 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s Chih-cah-guh. Don’t know about Omaha.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @mmack
  21. @istevefan

    That happened in real life in Hawaii, which had more unique species of birds than any place else.

    Over 95% of the native population was wiped out by disease and/or being worked to death by their chiefs on sugar plantations. Then the plague came carried by rats on ships.

    So they brought in mongooses to eat the rats, all the main islands except Kauai.

    Trouble is, rats are nocturnal and mongooses are dinural.

    So the mongoose survive and thrive to this day by eating birds. Birds that are found nowhere else in the world. Birds that are now endangered or even extinct.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  22. This poor fellow: So many coincidental mishaps means he surely must be cursed by those magical shape-shifting jews he and other Pakis are always railing against.

    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
  23. MBlanc46 says:
    @J.Ross

    One of my best friends is Dutch. We met at a campground in England. He’s a painter and I’m interested in painting, so we started talking about painting. (His English us pretty good, but accented.) He pronounced Vincent’s name in the Dutch manner. It took me twenty minutes to figure out that he was talking about Van Gogh. Which the Brits pronounce as Van Gog. I presume that the Van Go pronunciation is from French.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Jack D
  24. @Paleo Liberal

    Worse in Guam, where the ships brought rats, so some bright soul thought, “Hey, let’s introduce brown snakes to control the rats.” Snakes ate all the birds. Snakes are now finding their way to snake-free Hawaii on airliners they crawl onto. I guess the plague of mongeese (irreg. pl.?) might be useful after all.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  25. Lagertha says:

    This was the hardest news to take in many years. Faulty limo (not driver) winds up having failed brakes and killing 20 young people.

    I have wondered how on earth, did not one person’s body survive amidst all the 17 people riding in that limo (Birthday party)? I mean, what are the stats that everyone died? how? How could not a body stay alive if there was not a bomb or something on board? I find it impossible that not one body would have survived a crash – this was SOOOOO not an airplane hitting a mountain (GermanWings) or something.

    I know that when you hit your torso hard enough on a tree (skiing) your heart implodes. But, I find it weird that there was not cushioned body by other bodies.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Danindc
    , @Anon
    , @Pentheus
  26. @MBlanc46

    The Dutch pronounciation would approximate ‘fawn Khock.’ Said correctly, it will sound like you are choking while trying to say ‘cock’ … as in chicken.

  27. El Dato says:
    @Lot

    Yeah, like in any organization run by people that need to climb the hierarchy’s ladder, an FBI person has to hustle. Manufacturing criminals is a way of doing that. Better ignore the Politically Connected Crims or even dropping the ball completely on the those 9/11 Saudi guys for reasons of bureaucratic bullfighting at best.

    Did the FBI even ever manage to fix its IT systems.

    I’m sorry, Southern Italy levels of badness have been reached a long time ago.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  28. Lagertha says:

    This was the hardest news to take in many years. Faulty limo (not driver) winds up having failed brakes and killing 20 people.

    I have wondered how on earth, did not one person’s body survive amidst all the 17 people riding in the limo (Birthday party)? I mean, what are the stats that everyone died? how? How could not a body stay alive if there was not a bomb or something on board? I find it impossible that not one body would have survived a crash – this was SOOOOO not an airplane hitting a mountain (GreenWings).

    I know that when you hit your torso hard enough on a tree (skiing) your heart implodes. But, I find it weird that there was complete death – no cushioning of people by other bodies in that limousine – totally weird.

    And, creepy Muslims are really creepy right now in the Northeast…Hartford 1/2 marathon is on, as is the Manchester Road Race, NY Marathon. Muslims hate running events, and evidently, wedding parties – too many women in small outfits, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Anon
  29. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Could he really be this stupid? Well …
    Avenatti backs Robert “Beto” O’Rourke
    Ted Cruz mocks him
    Avenatti calls him out by linking to a donation page for O’Rourke’s campaign
    Neglects to mention HALF the donations go to Avenatti’s personal foundation
    People are calling out Avenatti on his [business sense]

    If we ever get real law enforcement in this country, GoFundMe, charities and “personal foundations” will get a merciless going-over. It’s pretty obvious what this stuff is.

  30. Jack D says:
    @MBlanc46

    When the Dutch pronounce it, it sounds like they are gargling. van Khokhkhkh.

  31. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Paleo Liberal

    Very important that the slimeball mafia tactic of murdering your family as punishment for not cooperating springs effortlessly from the slimeball mafia tactic of getting people to defame innocents. It’s the government version of a small-time drug dealer not being able to compartmentalize one convenient resort to violence. Will we return to the feeling people had about the CIA and FBI in the late seventies, or continue to ignore what they have become?

  32. trelane says:

    Newburgh NY and Saratoga NY are now Arab bolt holes. Here’s some Newburgh culture for all y’all,
    (note the Arab-store worker and the EBT card) but don’t takes a limo ride there

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  33. Pakistan Is Not Sending Their Best

    Here’s a picture from a time when they were sending their best.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/03/barack-obama-wild-drugtaking-roommate

  34. @J.Ross

    Pakistan and Bangladesh are to Asia as Jamaica & Haiti are to the Caribbean.
    Bad News. The Cons massively outweigh the Pros.
    The West should have had a basic circuit breaker metric to block migration from such countries.
    When corruption & overall crime exceed a threshold, they best Stay Away. Do Not let them Come Here.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  35. densa says:
    @wren

    He owned 4 limo companies. Since he only had 3 vehicles and 2 drivers, he probably could have gotten by with one.

    https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/2018/10/08/owner-limo-fatal-crash-had-informed-newburgh-terrorists-fbi/

    • Replies: @densa
    , @Steve Sailer
  36. @PiltdownMan

    In all fairness to Pakistan, the dumber one is from Kenya.

  37. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    FBI agents do not wear blue uniforms. They are “suits”.

  38. @densa

    But look how much he juiced the Immigrant Entrepreneur stats the Cato Institute is always lauding.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  39. Jack D says:
    @Lagertha

    Faulty limo (not driver) winds up having failed brakes

    Too soon to say if the brakes failed. There were several similar accidents at this intersection and nothing was done to modify it. NY State is throwing dirt on the Paki guy as a distraction from their own failures. He is plenty dirty anyway but some of the stuff that they are raising is BS and had nothing to do with the crash, e.g. the driver was licensed to carry not more than 15 passengers and there were 17. BFD. This is being spun as “the driver was not properly licensed”. Etc. We don’t even know at this point if the driver even tried to apply the brakes.

    The estimated speed at this point is 60 mph and there were no seat belts in use. That is enough to kill everyone on board. Usually someone gets lucky and 1 or 2 survive but I guess luck was in short supply that day.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  40. F0337 says:
    @Jack D

    The worse a potential immigrant is, the more we want him.

    Not to put too fine a point on this, but I think this is something of a stretch of the Emma Lazarus Amendment. Funny thing, it seems like every time an immigrant is suddenly famous there’s a lot of ‘back story’ that the MSM strives to hide. Sometimes–if enough Americans are killed, for instance–even the MSM can’t completely squelch the story.

    What a PR dilemma for the Ruling Class.

    • Replies: @bomag
  41. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha

    I think that was really weird too, that not one person survived. All 18 people incl. the driver died, plus 2 people standing next to a car that the limo crashed into. How fast was the car going?

  42. Danindc says:
    @Lagertha

    We talked about this elsewhere. Very surprising, yes. Someone made a good point though but I forgot it already…

  43. The son is under arrest, and his lawyer is already playing the Islamophobia card. No evidence naturally, just allegations. Julie Swetnick is standing by to back up the lawyer’s story. It just never ends. They really do cry out in pain as they strike you.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  44. F0337 says:

    This blog post reminds me of when I reminded you that you reminded me before.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/time-for-an-immigration-safety-review-board/#comment-2562641

    In other news, it turns out that if you tip both sides of your hat at the same time, it blows away in the wind.

  45. J.Ross says: • Website
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    I thought Jamaica was pretty straightened out, or was I confusing it with Bermuda?

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
  46. @J.Ross

    Gorilla warfare? Aren’t they on the Endangered list?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  47. @MBlanc46

    Shi-CAW-go.
    My dad was born and brought up there.

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @RadicalCenter
    , @MBlanc46
  48. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    This, what we’re looking at is like the bad old days before Nader, where completely preventable fatalities were very likely in wrecks, but with an abnormally high number of victims in one vehicle. We have forgotten how easily a speeding ton of metal can kill because of safety features, laws, education, and so on. There is a roughly similar contemporary situation in the Kenyan bus that fell down a hill. Something to think about as we consider merging with the third world.

  49. @The Alarmist

    Snakes are now finding their way to snake-free Hawaii on airliners

    Snakes on a plane?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @sayless
  50. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Rosamond Vincy

    It’s a pasta, you should see the Bess Kalb edition.

  51. @trelane

    Saratoga? Pity. Used to be known for race season, mineral water, and ballet’s summer residence. Not to mention some beautiful architecture.

  52. @PiltdownMan

    Did everyone have that sofa in the ’70s?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  53. @PiltdownMan

    When I sit on a couch with a friend, I like to to sit close enough so he can ash in my lap.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  54. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Rosamond Vincy

    And that wooden hexagon. The Alexa of its time, quietly homogenizing decor.

  55. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    He probably used the money the FBI gave him to buy the limos and start the business

    • Replies: @CCZ
  56. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    That’s Al and Peg Bundy’s couch.

  57. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha

    Princess Diana’s heart was smashed when her chest smashed into the seat in front of her. There were 4 sisters in that limo.

  58. @J.Ross

    Tourists get a skewed impression of Jamaica due the resorts being fenced off from the anarchy beyond. Kingston and Montego Bay are very dangerous. In 2015, Jamaica had the 6th highest murder rate in the world, and while Haiti is not on the list that is probably since statistics there aren’t recorded, at least not reliably. Recall that Colin Ferguson of the 1993 Long Island RR massacre was from Jamaica.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  59. I don’t want Pakistan’s best…or China’s….or India’s…..I prefer home grown Native Born White American Talent such as the Wright Brothers…

  60. sayless says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    The brown snakes of Guam move around and get into things quite aggressively–like transformers, or they come up in the toilet…They crawl into the planes.

  61. @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Kingston and Montego Bay are very dangerous.

    I visited Jamaica the year this movie was made. My wife has friends who live in Kingston whom I met a couple of years ago. They said it has not changed too much for the better for outsiders who visit Kingston, but the political street-level violence of the 1970s is long gone.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  62. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    I was reminded of the same thing. It’s not the whole thing, but it’s enough. Set-up: Bart has accidentally unleashed a plague of parasitic Bolivian tree lizards, but it turned out alright because the lizards ate all the pigeons.

    Edit: and it seems Steve is familiar with it too.

  63. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    I know the threat isn’t real, but is the screencap at least? i.e. did Avenatti fall for it?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  64. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anon

    Avenatti did fall for a 4chan hoax previously but not this one. His non-hoax claims — that he wins in the long run and may seek a nomination as a presidential candidate — are equally ridiculous. That government letter telling him that “we investigate credible claims” is real.

  65. CCZ says:
    @Anon

    Or perhaps his family still had the money from his almost “realizing the American dream” as a “mini-mart entrepreneur” operating “gas stations, a beverage center, and a retail distribution business in Latham” and producing false driver’s licenses for “other [[illegal??]] immigrants who couldn’t get them on their own.”

    Three days into 2002, Shahed Hussain was a mini-mart entrepreneur on the crest of realizing the American dream.

    The 48-year-old Pakistani immigrant was about two weeks away from being sworn in as a naturalized U.S. citizen. He ran gas stations, a beverage center and a retail distribution business in Latham, and shared a modest home in Loudonville with his wife and children.

    But Hussain made a major mistake: He participated in a scam to get illegal driver’s licenses for other immigrants who couldn’t get them on their own. He was arrested, and on Jan. 23, 2002, a grand jury in Albany indicted him on one felony count of engaging in the production and transfer of false government identification documents.

    His subsequent guilty plea seemed to dash his hopes of remaining in the United States. But like others who face prison or deportation, Hussain was offered a way out. He went to work as a government informant.

    Times Union, The (Albany, NY), August 8, 2004

  66. Pentheus says:
    @istevefan

    IDK about Simpsons episode, but look up story of cane toads in Australia.

  67. Pentheus says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, it seems there is serious potential liability here for NYS. (bc state roads and road signs); and the scuzzy limo owner might not actually be liable at all despite all the dust thrown up about “unregistered/unlicensed.”

    There had been numerous previous incidents in which runaway tractor trailers followed same path as this recent horror.

    By the reports, the problem is that this is a 55 speed limit road which ends in a T intersection with another State road. Preceding the intersection is a hill; and going up to the top of the rise there are no signs warning that you are about to have to stop at an intersection very shortly after you go over the top; and the length of the downhill side is too short for heavier momentous vehicles to stop, even with fully-functioning brakes. Allegedly the State has made now-allegedly inadequate attempts to fix problem.

    And yes, it is in NYS’s interests to shift all the blame for this to the scuzzy limo company owner. NYS doesn’t care if their co-defendant is judgment-proof against actually paying the families anything. The oh-so-liberal-and-allegedly-generous NYS government and Gov. Mussolini Jr. will tell even the most tragic cases whose loss was indeed caused by State negligence, to go tell someone who cares, if you miss any of the very short (90 days) deadlines for Court of Claims. (See, ironically enough, Schoharie Bridge collapse case in which this happened. (1987 incident; idk court decision dates)

    • Replies: @Jack D
  68. @Jack D

    Well said!

    I completely agree.

  69. @Jack D

    “We don’t even know at this point if the driver even tried to apply the brakes.”

    Who was the driver? Could this be a case of Sudden Onset Jihad Syndrome? Plenty of suicide jihadis have had much lower body counts.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  70. Pentheus says:
    @Lagertha

    The occupants were not wearing seatbelts.

    All were doomed instantly by sheer physics, it seems. Each victim “killed” the next down the line – those in front by those behind; those behind by hitting the “tree” (by your skiing comparison) of those in front.

    One other thing: People always lament deaths and count “injured” (or, survivors) as optimistic spin. But we all should know very well that it can be better off for people to be instantly dead than be maimed, utterly destroyed, emotionally blown out “survivors,” whose families are then destroyed by all the care costs and nightmare chain of consequences from this.

    “Well, I am facially maimed and a paralyzed dependent for life; and my wife, brother, cousin and their wives are all dead – by my body smashing into them. Thank God I survived!”

    I don’t think so.

  71. Pentheus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Colonie pron. – Yes, you can tell which ads were made locally or elsewhere by whether they pronounce it correctly.

  72. duncsbaby says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Jesus, that’s a lot of guys who don’t know how to walk properly.

  73. Anonym says:

    What is the lolbertarian solution to this problem? Your own personal inflatable airbag system to allow for third world drivers? Police, military and courts are accepted, right? I seem to remember that someone managed to sneak open borders on to the (((smallest political quiz))), incredible recruiting tool that it was. Hence, these peaceful refugees/asylees from Pakistan, much like Solzhenitsyn or the Dalai Lama, deserve to come here. If we were more lolbertarian, there would be more Hussains here.

    Being that these peaceful border crossers have every right to be here, what is the private sector solution to peaceful but incompetent and dishonest people who really have no care for your kind? I’m thinking something like Blackwater, or whatever they call themselves these days.

  74. @The Alarmist

    It seems (((we))) even used (((our))) weather control devices to hurl lightning at his insured possessions…

  75. Hank Yobo says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Isn’t “Schoharie” a Mohawk word? The Dutch (Palatine Germans?) were not the original inhabitants of the area.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  76. Isn’t it the case that one of the passengers texted from inside the limo that the limo was a shoddy piece of work?

    I’ve commented here at Unz before on the general shabbiness and disrepair of Pakistani owned and run motels across America. Nothing is truly clean, not the floor tiles in the bathroom, not the carpet or the table tops. Any repairs are inexpertly done: moldings don’t match, shower handles reversed and so on.

    It’s obvious to an experienced builder like me that everything is performed by substandard workers who never went through a Union apprenticeship, done with an eye on maximizing short term profit. To a Pakistani, the work done by the cheap fly-by-night workers they hire looks just like that done by a competent white man, but an experienced craftsman can tell the difference.

    Shoddy junk. This is what they bring to America and unfortunately, white liberated women and their soy-boy consorts who support unlimited immigration are themselves so clumsy and inept that they can’t tell the real thing from the ersatz. But you can’t bring the same careless disregard for codes and standards to automobile maintenance because houses don’t move at 60mph and cars do.

    I doubt whether our system will hold this man accountable. It used to by that Pakistani’s were untouchables because they were the lowest of the low. Not any longer. In America he’s an Untouchable because he’s a sainted minority, a Sacred Cow.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @James Forrestal
  77. Escher says:

    The fire destroyed the Route 9 residence and nearly killed Hussain’s wife, Yasmeem Begum, who was alone in the house and had been trapped on the second floor when it started. …

    He may have had a valid reason for starting the first fire. Just saying…

  78. @Paleo Liberal

    I may strongly disagree with Weaver’s politics

    You may, but you don’t. Dude wanted to be left alone. Nothing more liberal than that.

    Why liberals always fall for oppressive government is the eternal mystery.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  79. Flip says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Some people say shi-CAW-go but shi-CAH-go is much more common now.

  80. @Rosamond Vincy

    Lived there and heard both, which was surprising.

  81. mmack says:
    @MBlanc46

    Sh-ca-gah is the “Over by dere” stereotypical Chicago accent popularized by The Superfans skit on SNL. It’s like thinking everyone calls The Big Apple “Noo Yawk”. Unless yer old school Chicagah over by dere on da Sout Side goin to da Jewels, NOBODY pronounces it other than Sh-Caw-Go.

    Spoken as a Chicago area resident who moved out of the People’s Republic of Ill-annoy only last year.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  82. @El Dato

    My son, at Embry-Ridddle Aeronautical U. in AZ, says we’re busy educating and training the future Saudi military pilots there. If I were in the FBI I’d keep a close watch on those guys.

    Of course, if it were up to me, American universities would educate Americans. But that’s just me.

  83. @Desiderius

    The “Liberals” who started the COINTELPRO and the War on Drugd were J. Edgar Hoover and Richard Nixon.

    The Conservatives opposing them were people like the ACLU and the SDS

    So what is it about Liberals and oppressive government again?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  84. @Steve Sailer

    this is an extremely important point. I do payroll for several immigrant business owners, and my husband does taxes for even more. They ALL are employing family members as their main employees. The businesses wouldn’t even exist were it not for the family. While there’s nothing wrong with this (it’s an ideal situation, in fact), it does nothing for the US except bring in more familial immigrants to work in their business.

    Immigrant businesses means immigrant jobs, not American jobs.

  85. bjondo says:

    Pakistan Is Not Sending Their Best

    The sign out front doesnt ask for the best.

    Send your wretched and the FBI will do the rest.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  86. @Paleo Liberal

    Rip Van Paleo strikes again. How about that Emmitt Till too.

    • Agree: Kylie
  87. @Flip

    As the SuperFams once said, “It’s the town that’s round on the ends and has a Hicog in the middle.”

    “Da Bearsssss!”

  88. @bjondo

    Do you mean that sign on the Statue of Immigration, the one that says “Send us your wretched refuse”?

  89. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The drivers name was Lisinicchia but he appears to have been black (or at least 1/2 black). Does not appear to be Muzzie or to have been suicidal.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  90. Jack D says:
    @Pentheus

    If you view the scene on Google Street View there is a “Stop ahead” yellow warning sign (international symbol sign with a picture of a stop sign and an arrow pointing forward) at the side of the road not too far ahead of the intersection (I would imagine that there is some recommended distance based on the speed limit but perhaps not taking into account slope) but I don’t know whether it is too close to the intersection to be effective. Also the sign is not very prominent.

    TBH, aside from the fact that there is a slight slope, it looks very unremarkable – like a million other rural T intersections.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  91. @Reg Cæsar

    I was born near there. When I was a kid it was pronounced sko (long o), har (hard), ee (ski).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  92. @Jack D

    All States use standards created by the Federal Government as presented in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices. If you don’t, you don’t get federal matching funds for the bridge you want to replace or road you want to widen etc. Distance from sign to thing referred to is standardized as well. States, Counties and Cities try their hardest to comply AND to keep signage current BECAUSE THEY WILL GET THEIR ASSES SUED OFF THEM WHEN SOME IDIOT GOES OFF THE ROAD AT HIGH SPEED AT INTERSECTIONS JUST LIKE THIS ONE.

    I know. I used to survey these accident scenes for just this sort of information as well as, for example, whether a tree had encroached onto public right-of-way. If a car hits a tree that has grown in girth over the last 30 years such that it is now on public land, then the county/state/city is liable–even if the tree were originally planted on private land.

    I surveyed the site of an accident similar to this one in which the four fatalities were graduation-night teens from the local high school. Hate to say it, but everyone in the office breathed a sigh of relief when the tree they hit with their airborne car proved to be just barely out of our right-of-way. Intersection was a “Tee” with a downhill approach, just as in this case. Sad but true.

  93. bomag says:
    @F0337

    What a PR dilemma for the Ruling Class.

    Doesn’t seem to matter. In my mountain West backwater, the current crop of immigrants are reliably in the news for fraud, drugs, violent crime, etc; yet the locals still coo and fuss over the newcomers like a parent with a wayward child.

    We shouldn’t have our current levels of immigration even if they are all holy saints. If we need more people, we should raise them ourselves, or do without. At local meetings where immigration comes up, I’ve taken to repeating the Napoleon tale where he states the women of France could replace his losses in one night. I suggest our women could raise up any number of persons to satisfy our political overlords. Nobody responds.

    • Agree: F0337
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  94. Jack D says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I’ve commented here at Unz before on the general shabbiness and disrepair of Pakistani owned and run motels across America.

    Most motels are run by Indians, not Pakistanis but the culture is similar (one country before 1948).

    I

    t’s obvious to an experienced builder like me that everything is performed by substandard workers who never went through a Union apprenticeship, done with an eye on maximizing short term profit. To a Pakistani, the work done by the cheap fly-by-night workers they hire looks just like that done by a competent white man, but an experienced craftsman can tell the difference.

    They can tell the difference too. Visit their houses with the gold plated bathroom fixtures and the crystal chandeliers if you think they can’t tell the difference. They just don’t want to spend the money for their customers. 2001 Ford Explorer for thee, Bentley (that I set on fire to collect the insurance) for me.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Johann Ricke
  95. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Come one now, straight men always sit that close to each other, especially the ones with big 70′s porn ‘staches.

  96. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    I’m guessing adopted by an Italian family. He looks only slightly lighter than the mean. Never have guessed reading about him.

  97. Anon[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    They can tell the difference too. Visit their houses with the gold plated bathroom fixtures and the crystal chandeliers if you think they can’t tell the difference. They just don’t want to spend the money for their customers. 2001 Ford Explorer for thee, Bentley (that I set on fire to collect the insurance) for me.

    Paki lightning?

    Seriously, though, it’s amazing how much this sounds like a Jewish stereotype.

    In India it would maybe be a Gujarati stereotype? I’m not sure.

  98. @bomag

    Sperm counts are half and falling.

    • Replies: @BB753
  99. BB753 says:
    @Desiderius

    That will do. What we need are willing, fertile eggs. .

  100. @Jack D

    I’ve commented here at Unz before on the general shabbiness and disrepair of Pakistani owned and run motels across America.

    Not everyone can afford to stay in a 5-star hotel. I expect fleabag motels way pre-exist the entry of South Asians into the motel sector. They stick out a bit more because they’re now run by accented foreigners, but I doubt there’s necessarily been a decrease in quality. As someone who’s stayed in some of the Wyndham-franchised motels (Super 8, Baymont, Days Inn, et al), I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the fact that the rooms, while not spotless, are fairly clean, and everything works. And that’s all I’ve ever asked for from a budget motel. The Marriotts, Hiltons, Westins and Sheratons I’ve also frequented were far superior, but I was paying 5-star hotel prices.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  101. @ThreeCranes

    To a Pakistani, the work done by the cheap fly-by-night workers they hire looks just like that done by a competent white man, but an experienced craftsman can tell the difference.

    Related:

    https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Fires-trail-Hussain-family-13300195.php?cmpid=twittersocialflow

    In the 2003 blaze, a Loudonville residence owned by Begum — Shahed Hussain’s wife — caught fire on a Wednesday afternoon. Begum suffered minor burns when she tried to escape down an interior staircase and was forced to kick out a second-floor bathroom window and jump to safety.

    Pete Lattanzio, who retired in 2012 from his job as chief of town of Colonie’s Fire Prevention and Investigation Office, said he remembered being uncertain why two FBI agents showed up at the fire scene.

    “That was a red flag for me as to why the FBI was at a fire scene in my jurisdiction,” said Lattanzio, who had worked in that office for 27 years. “At the time we didn’t know he was an informant and when he arrived on the scene he was a very, very nervous individual. He did not want to share any information with me. … He said ‘I don’t want to talk to you.’”

    But eventually Hussain climbed into Lattanzio’s vehicle and consented to an interview. Lattanzio said he asked Hussain where he purchased the kerosene for the heater and his response was startling.

    “He gave me a puzzled look,” Lattanzio said. “He’s like, ‘I own a gas station. I put gasoline in there.’

  102. @Flip

    Some people say shi-CAW-go but shi-CAH-go is much more common now.

    That’s called displacement. Bob Newhart and Jack Benny said “shh-CAW-guh”.

    • Replies: @Flip
  103. @Hank Yobo

    Isn’t “Schoharie” a Mohawk word? The Dutch (Palatine Germans?) were not the original inhabitants of the area.

    Yes, but a distinguishing feature of the local Indian names is that they got phonetic spellings from the Dutch– Dutch Dutch, not Germans– just as many places in the Midwest (eg Michigan, Cheboygan and Chicago) got theirs from the French.

    It’s unusual that the place was settled by Germans but held onto Dutch orthography. I had a teacher in high school who descended from New Netherlanders and had a common Sch- name pronounced SK-. My wife’s aunt married a man with the same surname, and they pronounce it SH-.

    Looking into this, I found that Dutchmen often married German women. If they lived in his town, the pronunciation remained Dutch. (Well, Anglicized Dutch. Not SKh-) But if they lived in her town, the German way took over.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  104. @ThreeCranes

    Oh, great… now there are three pronunciations to choose from.

  105. Flip says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Thirty years ago, Goethe Street was usually pronounced as Go-thee. Now it is usually pronounced in the German way as Gur-tuh.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  106. Hank Yobo says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks for the clarification.

  107. Jack D says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Pre- 80′s boom America was a much poorer country and it had poorer motels – some of them were little better than wooden chicken coops. The original “motels” from the 1920s consisted of individual cabins or shacks but then they realized it would be cheaper and consume less land to just build a row of adjoining cubicles.

    I am old enough to remember the musty smell and the saggy mattresses and the 12″ B&W TV. But if you take a motel like that AND add another 40 years of wear and tear with minimal maintenance on top of that, then you have hotels like the one that the Hussain’s ran.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  108. @Flip

    Thirty years ago, Goethe Street was usually pronounced as Go-thee. Now it is usually pronounced in the German way as Gur-tuh.

    I can’t imagine it was blacks and Hispanics who made the change. Sounds like gentrifiers.

    There is a neighborhood of German-named streets in Binghamton, NY: Beethoven, Schubert, Goethe, Mozart, Haydn, Handel, Mendelssohn, Schiller. It was settled by real Germans, in what became a college-and-IBM town, so I’d guess they’d all have the standard English pronunciations for those men.

    Now, when Massachusetts starts pronouncing “Quincy” with a C instead of a Z, we’ll know we’re over the edge.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  109. @Jack D

    There’s a motel not far from my in-laws which still has its “Color TV” sign from the Sixties. It’s right near Garibaldi’s Mexican Restaurant.

    I wonder what else is left over from that era.

    If you want a creepy old motel story, check out Gay Talese’s New Yorker piece of a year or two ago. The owner was a voyeur, and drilled holes in all the ceilings. His indulgent wife helped him out. Talese kept the secret for forty or so years, until the man retired and decided to let him make it all public.

  110. MBlanc46 says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    I’ve lived here all my life. Find some old video of the real Mayor Daley.

  111. MBlanc46 says:
    @mmack

    Yeah, phonies like Richard J. Daley.

  112. @Reg Cæsar

    My dad went to Mozart Elementary School in Chicago. I asked him if the reform school was named Salieri, but he said no.

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