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C’mon, people, let’s get our priorities straight! How a country votes in the UN on symbolic issues involving Israel is infinitely more important than what kind of civilization its people construct.

Obviously, Nazism is in Norwegians’ blood. You can tell just by looking at them. Norwegians are sinisterly tall.

 
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  1. Why would any real conservative prefer Norwegian socialists over Somali libertarians?

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    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Somali libertarians don't stop the Rocket-Propelled Grenade at your nose.
    , @RobRich
    "Why would any real conservative prefer Norwegian socialists over Somali libertarians?"

    Contrary to left/right fantasies in the US:

    The actual Somalian libertarians led the way in forming and continuing to liberalize secessionist stable democratic Somaliland and continue to oppose the Islamic dictators in Somalia.

    http://www.libertarianinternational.org/apps/blog/entries/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=Somalia

    The Norway libertarian Progress Party has 10% of local councils and 16% the legislature, is in the governing coalition, and created the national income from public resources funds. They hope to continue providing services with less taxes. It is of course reported as 'crazy right wing' by the US press. Judge their platform for yourself: https://www.frp.no/English

    Socialism is dying in Norway.

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  2. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Obviously, Nazism is in Norwegians’ blood. You can tell just by looking at them.

    What I find most revealing about all of this is that so many Africans have turned out to be big fans of Nazism. I mean, they risk their lives by the thousands, trying to get to Nazi countries like Norway in stupid inflatable rafts, to hang out with all the Nazis.

    You don’t really see much traffic the other way.

    It’s the only explanation that makes any sense.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Hitler was a big fan of Islam.

    Nazi recruitment posters often showed Norwegians as dark-skinned Vikings:
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/ce/9a/ffce9a02a3c7fe32f3e33a6a2886cb02.jpg
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/45/22/1e45223fba7a15f3a0dd0e1d38866707.jpg

    And we already know that Africans are down with the raping-and-pillaging mentality.

    So maybe they're a good fit after all.
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  3. Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants? I wonder if Stable Genius has any geographical sense.

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    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants?
     
    Right! So if we can't build a wall through the Gulf of Mexico then we should just invite the world to America!

    Reasoning isn't your strong suit, is it?
    , @Hysterical
    Drumph is dumb enough to believe securing the border will secure the border!
    , @inertial
    I heard that there is already some sort of a natural barrier between Haiti and US
    , @istevefan

    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants? I wonder if Stable Genius has any geographical sense.
     
    Easy. Building the wall changes the mindset of both the USA and the world. It announces that we once again believe in borders. And that we won't accept bum rushers, whether they come by way of the southern border or by landing on Miami beach.

    Think about this. The 1965 Immigration Act changed our mindset. Prior to this act we were essentially a white nation. From our first naturalization act signed by George Washington, which explicitly limited naturalization to "free whites", through the many acts that followed, it was clear our immigration laws were not only designed to keep the US white, they were designed to keep it NW Euro dominant as well.

    But the 1965 act dropped this requirement. In time the US no longer believed in itself as a European nation and allowed itself to be inundated with people who would be unrecognizable to our Founding stock.

    Changing mindset is important. Even Trump's statement today about shithole nations was a step in the right direction. Many people will freely tell you this in private, but would rather die than risk the social backlash of stating it in public. Trump just shifted the Overton Window on this issue. Trump's wall will have beneficial effects too, both immediate at the border and in the future by the changed attitude regarding entry into our nation.

    Finally, we have been promised a wall for quite some time and the elites always manage to fool us and not build it. By building the wall Trump will reinvigorate many of us who were about to give up on politics, and send a needed message to the elite that their "inferiors" do indeed have some power and must be listened to.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Well, we could re-designate Coast Guard cutters as "Mexican Wall Ships"...In order to get to us, they'll have to get through them.

    http://www.military.com/video/forces/navy/americas-navy-the-shield/3951098519001
    , @Ed
    There are currently thousands of Haitians on the Mexican side of the border waiting to get into the USA. There are so many they’re calling the areas little Haiti. Evidently our brutal immigration system is preventing us from being enriched by this Haitian rapper.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/some-haitian-migrants-stranded-in-mexico-put-down-roots/4058354.html

    Pierre Lumps Benoit wasn’t planning to end his northward trek from Brazil here in the border town of Mexicali last November. The young Haitian man had set his sights on a music career in the United States, but U.S. immigration officials at the southern border deemed otherwise.

    So, Benoit shifted his focus. He found a place where he and his wife could live and a job managing the Jaguar nightclub. Better known as a musician named Woldo, he anticipates having a signing party there "soon," when he releases his first CD. It’s called "My Dream."
     
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  4. @Anatoly Karlin
    Why would any real conservative prefer Norwegian socialists over Somali libertarians?

    Somali libertarians don’t stop the Rocket-Propelled Grenade at your nose.

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  5. I wonder if Israel will accept Haitian refugees since Haiti abstained from the UN Jerusalem vote? Nevermind, I doubt they want half of Haiti coming to Israel.

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  6. @anony-mouse
    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants? I wonder if Stable Genius has any geographical sense.

    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants?

    Right! So if we can’t build a wall through the Gulf of Mexico then we should just invite the world to America!

    Reasoning isn’t your strong suit, is it?

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  7. Did Trump really say this about immigration from shithole countries? I doubt it. This looks like more lies-disinformation from Dems and the left.
    Trump may think it, same as the average poster at Unz or Breitbart. Same as at least 40% of Americans.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-shithole-immigration-haiti-african-countries-2018-1

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    Well, if he did, I'd say he just gained millions of votes.

    When a country can't provide clean drinking water, it's a shithole country, period.

    When a city can't provide safety, it's a shithole city. Baltimore and Chicago are the two cites that come to mind most quickly as shithold cities.

    What's bothering all the people with exploding heads right now is not that POTUS used that adjective next to that noun but because the phrase leads to the realization that certain people produce shitholes and others don't.

    Do we need Pinker to smooth things over? Nah, Trump gains here.

    , @Jack Hanson
    There have been statements from official WH sources standing by the comment and asking why Congressmen fight harder for foreigners than Americans.
    , @songbird
    I agree. He probably never said it.

    He is a consummate flatterer and a canny political operator. Given what seems like that rather obvious fact, I find it very strange the things some people seem to believe he has said. For instance, some people think he called neo-nazis "very fine people." I can't decide whether they are really that stupid, delusional, or slanderous, or if it is just if is just meant purely as an ingroup display.

    It is funny how nobody was Hitler before Hitler, but everyone after is.
    , @Cloudbuster
    I hope he said it.

    Are there any people who don't honestly think Haiti is a shithole? I'm pretty sure even Haitians think Haiti is a shithole (which is why they want to stay here).
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  8. https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=RgdYWq-ULo6IjwOT3IOACg&q=robert+reich+height&oq=robert+reich+height&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3..0l2j0i22i30k1l2j5.1373.7776.0.7949.28.24.4.8.8.0.720.5340.0j13j1j5-4j1.20.0….0…1c.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..8.17.1581.3..41j0i131k1j0i10k1.122.fVZuwgannUo

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    Another Waugh fan.
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  9. Thanks to Robert Reich’s former boss, Bill Clinton, Haiti is a preposterous and well-governed society. The Clinton Foundation did absolute wonders for the Haitian people!

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    It's bizarre to realize that Haiti used to be adequate enough that Bill and Hillary Clinton honeymooned there.

    In high school I read Graham Greene's novel "The Comedians" about European ex-pats hanging out in Haiti.

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  10. “To the Nazi’s…”

    There is not supposed to be an apostrophe here. It’s plural, not possessive. I thought Reich was supposed to be a genius, so you think he’d know this. Or does he have minions who compose Tweets for him yet don’t understand grammar?

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    I too wondered whether the tweeter @RBReich is the same
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich
    who was Secretary of Labor and has "published" 14 books. Could such a man really think that "Nazis" is spelled with an apostrophe?
    , @slumber_j
    I mostly let typos slide, because people make mistakes all the time. But the odd thing about that apostrophe is that in order for it to be there, you have to want it to be there: you have to have arrived at Robert Reich's station in life, at his age, without having absorbed the fundamental nature of the apostrophe.
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  11. https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcript-of-donald-trump-interview-with-the-wall-street-journal-1515715481

    WSJ: Speaking of being flexible it sounds as if there’s an immigration deal that has been struck amongst senators on the hill that’s been sent to the White House for approval?

    Mr. Trump: Getting close.

    WSJ: Have you—have you seen anything from the Senate yet?

    Mr. Trump: No but it’s getting close. They—want, I feel, you know, I have great feeling for DACA. I think that we should be able to do something with DACA. I think it’s foolish if we don’t, they’ve been here a long time, they’re no longer children, you know. People talk of them as children, I mean some are 41 years old and older. But some are in their teens, and late teens, but nevertheless I think we should do something with DACA and I think we should do something to help people.

    It wasn’t their fault, their parents came in, it wasn’t their fault. So we’re in the process of trying to work something out. I hope we can do it. I don’t think it has to take that long. The lottery system is a disaster, we have to get rid of the lottery system. The—as you know chain is—chain migration is a horrible situation. You’ve seen the ads, you’ve seen everything, you know all about chain.

    This person on the west side that killed eight people and badly, you heard me say yesterday, badly, badly wounded about 12. I mean people losing arms and legs—nobody even talks about that. But they say killed eight and that’s it. I mean you have people—ones walking around without—missing two legs. And the person was running to stay in shape and now he’s missing two legs. Think of it.

    But this person, who should’ve never been allowed into this country, came in through the lottery. When they interviewed his neighborhood, they say he was horrible. You’d say good morning to him and he’d start cursing at you. They didn’t want him so they sent him through the lottery, you know, congratulations United States.

    So the lottery has to end, chain migration—he brought in they say 22 people through the chain. So we have 22 of his relatives, why? And I honestly think that the Democrats are with us on that. We’ll find out. I mean who wouldn’t be? Who wouldn’t be? Unless it’s somebody that didn’t love our country, and the Democrats love our country. We have different views but the Democrats love our country.

    So yeah, I think, Michael, I think we have a good chance to make a deal. We have to have a wall. We don’t have a wall, we’re not doing the deal.

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    WSJ: Do you have to have a completely funded wall or—would $1.6 billion be enough?

    (CROSSTALK)

    Mr. Trump: Let me, let me tell you something about the wall. So I’ve always said we have to have a wall. I’ve also said Mexico’s got to pay for it—sometimes you know on occasion, I’d add who’s going to pay for it? Mexico. Well they will pay for it, OK? There are many forms of payment. I could name 10 right now. There are many forms of payment, I didn’t say how.

    WSJ: Could you give us an example?

    Mr. Trump: They can pay for it through, as an example, they can pay for it indirectly through Nafta. OK? You know, we make a good deal on Nafta, say I’m going to take a small percentage of that money and it’s going to go toward the wall. Guess what? Mexico’s paying. Now Mexico may not want to make the Nafta deal and which is OK, then I’ll terminate Nafta…which I think would be frankly a positive for our country. I don’t think it’s a positive for Mexico, I don’t think it’s a positive for the world. But it’s a positive for our country because I’d make a much better deal. There is no deal that I can make on Nafta that’s as good as if I terminate Nafta and make a new deal. OK? But I feel that we have a chance of making a reasonable deal, the way it is now.

    WSJ: On immigration – could you see yourself signing a bill ….

    TRUMP: The other thing … so the wall. The wall’s never meant to be 2100 miles long. We have mountains that are far better than a wall, we have violent rivers that nobody goes near, we have areas ….

    TRUMP: But, you don’t need a wall where you have a natural barrier that’s far greater than any wall you could build, OK? Because somebody said oh, he’s going to make the wall smaller. I’m not going to make it smaller the wall was always going to be a wall where we needed it. And there are some areas that are far greater than any wall we could build. So, maybe some day somebody could make that clear, Sarah, will you make that clear please?

    I saw on television, Donald Trump is going to make the wall smaller; no, the wall’s identical. The other thing about the wall is we’ve spent a great deal of time with the Border Patrol and with the ICE agents and they know this stuff better than anybody, they’re unbelievable.

    They both endorsed me, the only time they’ve ever endorsed a presidential candidate, OK? And they endorsed us unanimously. I had meetings with them, they need see-through. So, we need a form of fence or window. I said why you need that — makes so much sense? They said because we have to see who’s on the other side.

    If you have a wall this thick and it’s solid concrete from ground to 32 feet high which is a high wall, much higher than people planned. You go 32 feet up and you don’t know who’s over here. You’re here, you’ve got the wall and there’s some other people here.

    WSJ: Yes.

    TRUMP: If you don’t know who’s there, you’ve got a problem.

    WSJ: Well, the other day after your meeting when you talked about wanting to see a deal from Congress. In particular, I’m thinking of the tweets from Ann Coulter. You know, a straight – I mean, they want a wall. Do you feel that you have some room to negotiate here with your own base, when it comes to the wall?

    TRUMP: I don’t have to because the wall is the same wall I’ve always talked about. I can understand why I have to have see-through.

    WSJ: OK.

    TRUMP: If I’m standing here, I want to be able to see 200 yards out. I want to be able to see, I don’t want to have a piece of concrete that I can’t see.

    WSJ: Yes.

    TRUMP: Now on the wall we have cameras and we have highly sophisticated equipment, but the wall – the Border Patrol tells me the other way’s more expensive. It’s not less expensive. We have to have vision through the wall.

    WSJ: But…

    TRUMP: This is going to be state of the art wall; this will be state of the art. But, I can fully understand why you’d have to have vision. I’d like to be able to see three or four hundred yards instead of we’re at a wall we have no idea who’s on the other side. Does this make sense or am I just wasting my time.

    HOPE HICKS: It’s what you’ve always talked; it’s consistent with what you’ve always said.

    TRUMP: No, this is the same. I hope I don’t read tomorrow, Trump is going to make the wall, I always said, we need a wall.

    WSJ: Yes.

    TRUMP: I never said the walls going to be two thousand, but there are – there is a vast amount of territory where nobody comes through.

    WSJ: There’s this famous metaphor in politics about Nixon going to China.

    TRUMP: Right.

    WSJ: Is there a possibility that Donald Trump could sign a comprehensive immigration bill which would provide a path to legal status, citizenship for 11 million people who are here illegally.

    TRUMP: Well, I’m not talking amnesty at all. I’m not talking amnesty at all, that’s the other thing. No, I think my base is with me. My base feels that these 800 thousand young people should not be thrown out of the country, OK? My base is with me and now I you know; and I think my base actually gets bigger.

    And I’m not doing it because of the base or anything else, I’m doing it from the standpoint of heart, I’m doing it from the standpoint of common sense. I’m doing it from another standpoint too. You have a lot of people of those 800, they work hard, they have jobs. We need workers in this country; we need people to come in and work because I have a lot of companies moving in.
    WSJ: So when you say you have to have people, clearly there’s the 800,000 ‘Dreamers,’ but there’s also the larger group of people who are currently in the country…

    TRUMP: That’s a different discussion.

    WSJ: So, you said on Tuesday…

    TRUMP: That’s comprehensive – well, if we could do that, that’s fine. I don’t know that that’s going to be possible.

    There’s a lot of – there’s a lot of – there’s a big difference – first of all, there’s a big difference between DACA and Dreamers, OK?

    Dreamers are different. And I want American kids to be Dreamers also, by the way. I want American kids to be Dreamers also.

    But there’s a big difference between DACA and Dreamers. And a lot of times when I was with certain Democrats they kept using the word dreamer. I said, “Please, use the word DACA.” You know it’s a totally different word.

    WSJ: Sure.

    TRUMP: OK, people think they’re interchangeable, but they’re not.

    So – I – I think we have a very good chance of making a deal on DACA, I would like to be able to do it; I think that the people that are Trump supporters agree with me on it. I would never do it without a wall, the wall is the wall and it’s the same wall that we’re always talking about. It’s – you know, wherever we need, we don’t need it where you have mountains; you don’t need it where you have rivers and – you know, vicious rivers.

    So – so we have sort of natural barriers.

    WSJ: Barriers, yeah.

    TRUMP: And, obviously, we never intended (inaudible).

    WSJ: Just to be really clear, because I don’t want to have any misunderstanding.

    TRUMP: Yeah, be really clear, I’d like to – because I love the “Wall Street Journal”. I hope that you guys are clear. OK.

    WSJ: For sure

    WSJ: When – on Tuesday you said that you supported the idea of signing comprehensive immigration reform…

    TRUMP: No, no I support the idea of discussing it.

    WSJ: OK.

    TRUMP: And, maybe, it’s possible to get it. You know, that’s what I do, I make deals. Despite what you read with – by these people that don’t know me, that were never interviewed by – to me, you know.

    WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL: But first we have to (inaudible).
    WSJ: So I just want to be crystal clear about this, your open to discussing comprehensive immigration reform, are you open to discussing a path to citizenship as part of that?

    TRUMP: Ready? Comprehensive immigration reform is a far step from DACA. I am always open to discussing everything but that doesn’t mean we’re going to get anywhere close to getting it done.

    I’d love to get something done if it’s appropriate. But there’s no – I think we will get DACA, I really believe we’re getting close to DACA and I’m dealing with some great people on the Democrat side. I’m dealing with some people that I really have gotten to like.

    WSJ: Who?

    TRUMP: And I really believe they have good intention. After we’re finished with DACA, assuming that gets done, I would certainly be open to discussing – you know, the comprehensive immigration. I don’t know that we’ll be able to make a deal on that one.

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  12. @JohnnyD
    Thanks to Robert Reich's former boss, Bill Clinton, Haiti is a preposterous and well-governed society. The Clinton Foundation did absolute wonders for the Haitian people!

    It’s bizarre to realize that Haiti used to be adequate enough that Bill and Hillary Clinton honeymooned there.

    In high school I read Graham Greene’s novel “The Comedians” about European ex-pats hanging out in Haiti.

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    Read this novel a couple of times myself. Duvalier (papa) was already well on his way to destroying the country in the early 60's. Liz Taylor and Richard Burton starred in a movie based on the book.
    , @anon
    Your money goes pretty far there, I'd imagine. There are lots of places where, if all you want to do is drink and pick up hookers, they're good enough. But you wouldn't really want to live there.

    And, to be fair, if you were someone who lived in those places, you'd get pretty sick of the people who would go to your country and do that, even if their money is nice.
    , @theo the kraut
    I was on holidays over there when living in the Dominican Republic in the mid-seventies. Still had French colonial charm--we would stay in Graham Green's Hotel Olofson--and an exotic appeal bc of the assertive expression of voudou culture and black pride, but the poverty was staggering and depressing even then if you'd bother to look at it, little boys or girls offering their brothers, sisters, or themselves, constant begging if you left the hotels, restaurants and resorts. Tourist infrastructure was still intact, though. At the time Haiti was perceived as being an exotic place though extremely poor, but not of abject horror. Baby Doc was corrupt but bon homme, and even his father's rule was as evil as it was fascinating. You could rent a car and drive up to Petionville with its springtime climate in the mountains, there still where long stretches of misty woods to drive through when going north to see the Atlantic. You would be shallow if you'd wanted to come back, though, one friend of us refused to look sideways after a while, she couldn't take it anymore. I'm glad I had the experience, wouldn't bother now, it's a sunken world.
    , @EdwardM
    A honeymoon taken for the purpose of virtue-signalling doesn't count.
    , @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWYchJI0Cv8
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  13. @anony-mouse
    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants? I wonder if Stable Genius has any geographical sense.

    Drumph is dumb enough to believe securing the border will secure the border!

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  14. If it makes Bill Kristol feel any better, I bet Trump thinks Israel ranks right alongside Norway.

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    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Yesterday, Trump met the Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg - which is the reason he mentioned Norway today. The last person that spoke to him always seems to have the most important impact - as long as they made sufficient effort to charm him. (It would have been nice to have Trump as a teacher at school, as he seems the kind of character students could easily charm into forgetting that you didn't hand in your homework.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzqRm5F1tOM
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  15. This kind of thing makes you appreciate Putin. He has an affinity for going on tangents. But imagine Putin, publicly undermining his own policy position like this (by apparently removing all filter between the brain and the mouth).

    The ‘shithole’ countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States – so doesn’t cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists. While the Norwegians are not complimented, so much as laughing about it, and telling themselves ‘why would we want to move to America when we have the highest quality of life here?’

    The answer to his question is ridiculously obvious. People usually move because their home countries suck. As a trend, people in poor countries, move to richer countries – not vice-versa. Norwegians are not moving, as their salary is higher in Norway than in the United States. If he wants to get a lot of Norwegians (the people of the country with the second highest per capita income in the world), the only way to get them to leave their home country in substantial numbers would probably be to impose a food blockade and blow up their offshore oil rigs.

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    The ‘shithole’ countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States – so doesn’t cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists.

    He didn't say it to journalists, though. He said it in a meeting, and it was then leaked to journalists by the slimy Dick Durbin.

    And you know, if I was from Haiti, I wouldn't like to hear it either. But what bugs me is that these people are pretending that Democrats don't talk that way too. I can't imagine that they don't. I am about 99% certain that Democratic politicians refer to actual states within the United States itself as "shitholes". And even if they don't say it, I know, with every fiber of my being, that they think it.

    It just bugs me that they're not criticizing Trump because they think he's wrong, but because he used a term that they themselves use all the time.

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can't afford to say stuff like that, because it's going to be leaked. It's just the way it is.

    The outrage is fake, but he should still be more careful.
    , @LondonBob
    Putin would never get elected in the US though. Due to GOP incompetence they are performing poorly for 2018, ginning up the immigration is issue is the way to rectify thus, Trump probably made this point at the recent GOP bigwigs meeting.
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  16. @Steve Sailer
    It's bizarre to realize that Haiti used to be adequate enough that Bill and Hillary Clinton honeymooned there.

    In high school I read Graham Greene's novel "The Comedians" about European ex-pats hanging out in Haiti.

    Read this novel a couple of times myself. Duvalier (papa) was already well on his way to destroying the country in the early 60′s. Liz Taylor and Richard Burton starred in a movie based on the book.

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  17. @anony-mouse
    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants? I wonder if Stable Genius has any geographical sense.

    I heard that there is already some sort of a natural barrier between Haiti and US

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  18. @Clyde
    Did Trump really say this about immigration from shithole countries? I doubt it. This looks like more lies-disinformation from Dems and the left.
    Trump may think it, same as the average poster at Unz or Breitbart. Same as at least 40% of Americans.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-shithole-immigration-haiti-african-countries-2018-1

    Well, if he did, I’d say he just gained millions of votes.

    When a country can’t provide clean drinking water, it’s a shithole country, period.

    When a city can’t provide safety, it’s a shithole city. Baltimore and Chicago are the two cites that come to mind most quickly as shithold cities.

    What’s bothering all the people with exploding heads right now is not that POTUS used that adjective next to that noun but because the phrase leads to the realization that certain people produce shitholes and others don’t.

    Do we need Pinker to smooth things over? Nah, Trump gains here.

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  19. Tucker Carlson reported Joan Walsh said she couldn’t say where she would rather live between Haiti and Norway.

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    , @Mr. Blank
    Yeesh. Why would that even be a question?

    Between Norway and Haiti, I’d pick Norway every time. And I’m someone who hates hates hates snow and cold weather and loves beaches and warm weather and sunshine.
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  20. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It's bizarre to realize that Haiti used to be adequate enough that Bill and Hillary Clinton honeymooned there.

    In high school I read Graham Greene's novel "The Comedians" about European ex-pats hanging out in Haiti.

    Your money goes pretty far there, I’d imagine. There are lots of places where, if all you want to do is drink and pick up hookers, they’re good enough. But you wouldn’t really want to live there.

    And, to be fair, if you were someone who lived in those places, you’d get pretty sick of the people who would go to your country and do that, even if their money is nice.

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  21. If there’s anything most American voters can’t stand, it’s a politician who says out loud things they’ve known all their lives.

    Trump is doomed, I tell ya.

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  22. @Mr. Blank
    If it makes Bill Kristol feel any better, I bet Trump thinks Israel ranks right alongside Norway.

    Yesterday, Trump met the Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg – which is the reason he mentioned Norway today. The last person that spoke to him always seems to have the most important impact – as long as they made sufficient effort to charm him. (It would have been nice to have Trump as a teacher at school, as he seems the kind of character students could easily charm into forgetting that you didn’t hand in your homework.)

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    If Trump had met with the leader of Haiti yesterday instead, do you think he'd be talking up Haitian immigration?

    Trump has common sense, and knows that Norway is an advanced country. It's the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

    Haiti is ranked #163 out of 168: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    The Human Development Index is an objective measure developed by a Pakistani development economist, and it's pretty consistent with common sense observations. But elites act as if noticing the same things it does is racist.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Obama preferred Danish.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUmoESLK5IU
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  23. This is why I voted for Trump! No one else has the guts to tell it like it is.

    All those who are offended should move to one of these countries, or just go visit and see for themselves what shitholes they are.

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  24. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry
    This kind of thing makes you appreciate Putin. He has an affinity for going on tangents. But imagine Putin, publicly undermining his own policy position like this (by apparently removing all filter between the brain and the mouth).

    The 'shithole' countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States - so doesn't cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists. While the Norwegians are not complimented, so much as laughing about it, and telling themselves 'why would we want to move to America when we have the highest quality of life here?'

    The answer to his question is ridiculously obvious. People usually move because their home countries suck. As a trend, people in poor countries, move to richer countries - not vice-versa. Norwegians are not moving, as their salary is higher in Norway than in the United States. If he wants to get a lot of Norwegians (the people of the country with the second highest per capita income in the world), the only way to get them to leave their home country in substantial numbers would probably be to impose a food blockade and blow up their offshore oil rigs.

    The ‘shithole’ countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States – so doesn’t cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists.

    He didn’t say it to journalists, though. He said it in a meeting, and it was then leaked to journalists by the slimy Dick Durbin.

    And you know, if I was from Haiti, I wouldn’t like to hear it either. But what bugs me is that these people are pretending that Democrats don’t talk that way too. I can’t imagine that they don’t. I am about 99% certain that Democratic politicians refer to actual states within the United States itself as “shitholes”. And even if they don’t say it, I know, with every fiber of my being, that they think it.

    It just bugs me that they’re not criticizing Trump because they think he’s wrong, but because he used a term that they themselves use all the time.

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can’t afford to say stuff like that, because it’s going to be leaked. It’s just the way it is.

    The outrage is fake, but he should still be more careful.

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    Nah. He just picked up a million votes.
    , @Anonymous

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can’t afford to say stuff like that, because it’s going to be leaked. It’s just the way it is.
     
    Good point, because no previous president ever used foul language.

    Or perhaps it's just that the entire Establishment is opposed to this one?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Trump should know better than to speak the truth in front of political enemies (which includes half his own party). While it's true, it's also needlessly offensive - said shitholes are run by human beings who are likely to take offence, human nature being what it is.

    Trump should take a trip to East Oslo, by the way, the city is 30% minority, mainly Pakistani. With only 5.5 million people in the whole country Norwegians are an endangered species - though their language and the climate may help ward off UK-style demographic replacement outside the big city.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    I approve of any and all Presidential profanity. Because otherwise I wouldn't exist.
    , @Vinteuil
    "He didn’t say it to journalists, though. He said it in a meeting, and it was then leaked to journalists by the slimy Dick Durbin."

    Maybe Trump will learn from this that Dick Durbin should be excluded from all future meetings with him, no matter how "bi-partisan?"

    I mean, if Durbin had any real interest in a deal, why did he leak this?

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  25. Robert Reich has spoken favorably about modern-day countries that were allied with Nazi Germany 75 years ago. Connection?

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  26. I grew up in South Florida where there are many Haitian refugees. The native born blacks hated them, mocked them and treated them like crap.

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  27. Haiti abstained, so they didn’t even vote with “us”… How brave of them…

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  28. Reasons for preferring Norwegians over Haitians as immigrants…..Well, for starters, Norwegians don’t qualify for affirmative action…..

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    Agree.
    , @Escher
    Haitians are not being brought over as slaves. They shouldn't qualify either.
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  29. If he really said it…Maybe Trump saying “shithole nations” is a good thing. He only said what everyone is thinking including Democrats. So get this truth that non dare speak out into the open, shine a light on it. Of course Dems love immigration from “shitholes” because they are proven ethnic cleansing agents who will vote Democrat.
    Shitholes is red meat for Trump’s base, solidifying Trump’s base. This one word is such an accurate summary of our current immigration situation. This one word is how Trump lays all his cards on the table. Is shithole top trending on twitter yet? I am looking forward to more demented outrage tomorrow.
    If these are not shithole nations then why are their people willing to die trying to illegally enter Europe and America? Can we get a comment from Angela Merkel on this? I know the Hungarians, Poles and Czechs are liking Trump even more. Most Norwegians, French and English too.

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  30. My impression of a US liberal,

    OMG, I can’t believe we have a president that would call Haiti a shithole country; I’m moving to Norway!

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    “My impression of a US liberal,

    OMG, I can’t believe we have a president that would call Haiti a shithole country; I’m moving to Norway!”

    Yup. Reminds me of when Bush was re-elected in ‘04 and Trump was elected in ‘16. Liberals crashed the Australian and Canadian immigration websites, but I don’t recall rafts of Democrat boatpeople washing up on Haitian or Honduran shores.
    , @Mr. Anon
    That's good. Well done.
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  31. @Clyde
    Did Trump really say this about immigration from shithole countries? I doubt it. This looks like more lies-disinformation from Dems and the left.
    Trump may think it, same as the average poster at Unz or Breitbart. Same as at least 40% of Americans.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-shithole-immigration-haiti-african-countries-2018-1

    There have been statements from official WH sources standing by the comment and asking why Congressmen fight harder for foreigners than Americans.

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  32. How a country votes in the UN on symbolic issues involving Israel …

    Trump’s comment about Haiti likely induced Kristol and Reich to suffer PTSD flashbacks courtesy of the late Daniel Bernard.

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    If Kristol or Reich cared about Israel - they would (at least publicly) be the biggest Trump cheerleaders in the world. (They would still laugh about him in a snobby way in private, but they would be cheering him in public and praying he wins another presidential term, as he has so far been the most pro-Israel president in history.)
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  33. Interesting that Trump did use the term shit hole. I have been saying for years that the problem with the modern day immigrant is that they are not coming here to be Americans. They cling to their culture and want the free stuff. I know of an area in the City of Chicago, and I am sure these areas exist elsewhere in the U.S., where someone can live their entire existence in Spanish and never speak English. There are probably other communities like that for other cultures. They come from countries that are total shit holes and they get busy here voting to turn this place in to the same shit hole they think they escaped from. Then what will they do? The idiot left thinks we are so racist as a country and yet people flock here from all over the world. Do they not consider the word would have gotten out by now if it were anywhere near true?

    It is similar to how Canadians lambaste us for our healthcare system because it isn’t “free”. A group of people advocate we should have the same healthcare system as the Canadians do. They do not realized that the Canadian HC system is so screwed up from socialism that wealthier Canadians come to the U.S. to get the medical care they need quicker than they can get in Canada. To boot, some Canadian provinces buy bulk HC contracts in the U.S. to deal with the lack of care available in the Canadian system. So if we turned our HC system in to the Canadian system where would the Canadians then go?

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    Great comment and your 1st paragraph reminded me of my last trip to NYC. Within 5 minutes of LGA I stopped into a supermarket to grab a pack of bottled water. It was wall-to-wall solid with Spanish-only speakers (you could barely move through the aisles) and it sold the same crap exactly like the 3rd world sh&thole markets in the 3rd world sh&thole countries I've worked in over the past 30 years. But I will grant you that I did feel much, much safer there than on MLK Blvd in Manhattan if you know what I mean.
    , @3g4me
    @33 Aardvark: "They come from countries that are total shit holes and they get busy here voting to turn this place in to the same shit hole they think they escaped from."

    The same reason California "conservatives" are helping to turn Texas purple. Per Horace, "Caelum non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt." Those who cross the sea change their skies, not their souls.
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  34. In 1999 Congress, by a large margin in both chambers, gave Bill Clinton the right to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem, but gave him the leeway as to when it should be done. In 2012 the DNC at their convention voted to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. If I can remember this why can’t the MSM? No need to reply, I know the answer.

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  35. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    How a country votes in the UN on symbolic issues involving Israel …
     
    Trump’s comment about Haiti likely induced Kristol and Reich to suffer PTSD flashbacks courtesy of the late Daniel Bernard.

    If Kristol or Reich cared about Israel – they would (at least publicly) be the biggest Trump cheerleaders in the world. (They would still laugh about him in a snobby way in private, but they would be cheering him in public and praying he wins another presidential term, as he has so far been the most pro-Israel president in history.)

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    It's ridiculous to suggest that Bill Kristol and Robert Reich are not fanatically pro-Israel.
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  36. Poor Robert Reich (the Third?).

    He can’t tell the difference between civilization as practiced by Norwegians and that of the Haitians.

    Alzheimers? Or perhaps he just hasn’t gotten out in the world much. Maybe if he tried living in both countries for a year?

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  37. @syonredux
    Reasons for preferring Norwegians over Haitians as immigrants.....Well, for starters, Norwegians don't qualify for affirmative action.....

    Agree.

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  38. Tangentially related. I have to share what I was just bludgeoned with.

    I’m very, very used to being slammed over the head with leftism and anti-Americanism in TV and movies, and often I just grit my teeth and look past it, otherwise I’d never get to watch anything at all.

    But tonight, I encountered something so egregiously, hatefully anti-American and anti-Christian that it actually threw me. I simply had to stop the show and eject the DVD. I’ll take it back tomorrow. I can’t in good conscience watch a show made by people who think like this.

    American Gods. Season 1. Episode 6: A Murder of Gods.

    Now, six episodes in, the show was already obviously the typical diversity fest, and I didn’t agree philosophically with the concept — that Gods are created and fueled by the belief of humans. But that’s a topic for another post. I read the novel years ago, so I was ready for that. But this episode. Wow.

    Each episode opens with a little “Coming to America” Vignette. In this one, illegals are crossing the Rio Grande in the middle of the night. One of the illegals can’t swim well, and starts to drown. He’s rescued by Mexican Jesus, literally walking on water, smiling beatifically. No sooner does Mexican Jesus get the guy across, than a bunch of white, redneck Christians pulls up in their trucks, with guns engraved with Bible verses, and massacres the defenseless illegals, including Mexican Jesus, clutching crosses while they fire their guns. Pretty heavy-handed, right? I nearly stopped right there.

    Well, about halfway through the episode our protagonists drive into the fictional town of Vulcan, VA, which sits in the shadow of the massive Vulcan ammunition plant. It looms over the town, belching smoke into the sky.

    Wednesday (in an ominous tone): “Welcome to Vulcan, Virginia.”
    Shadow: “Where is everyone?”
    (Camera pans over a sign “NOTICE: Lawful concealed carry welcomed on these premises.”)
    Wednesday: “Everyone in this particular town is a dedicated citizen. Dedicated to one sticky belief. America. (Camera pans past American flags on poles above the street) THEIR America.”
    (Camera pans over citizens of the town wearing red Vulcan logo armbands and dark suits, obviously Nazi-inspired. Everyone is carrying rifles.)
    Wednesday: “There aren’t just two Americas. Everyone looks at Lady Liberty and sees a different face.”
    (Camera pans over more citizens, all carrying rifles, wearing dark outfits with the armbands. Even an old woman in a wheelchair with an American flag flying from it is carrying a rifle, staring suspiciously.)
    Wednesday: “Even if it crumbles under question.”
    (This is about the time when I shut it off and ejected it in disgust. I had to put it back in to transcribe this.)
    Wednesday: “People will defend the warm, safe feeling their America gives them.”
    (Camera pans over more Nazi-themed Americans)
    Wednesday: “They will defend it… with bullets.”
    (Yes, more Nazi-themed Americans with rifles. Now including teenaged girls.)
    Wednesday: “No, these streets mean one of two things — radiation or something like this here.”
    Shadow: “A funeral?”
    Wednesday: “Less a funeral than a celebration of sacrifice.”
    (Apparently the whole town turned out in their fascist regalia, with their guns, for the funeral)

    I should pause here to explain that a little earlier, we were shown a vignette of a manager at the ammo plant leaning against a faulty railing, which gives way. He falls into a vat of molten lead and is made into Vulcan ammunition. Yes. Seriously. That heavy-handed.

    Wednesday: “And if I know my friend, someone got tossed into the volcano.”
    Shadow: “This was a human sacrifice?”
    Wednesday: “Faulty railings at the forge. Couple times a year, an employee takes the plunge. Insurance company says it’s cheaper to settle than to close down and refurbish. As good as throwing them in intentionally.”

    That’s pretty much the whole leftist Hate America package rolled up in two scenes from one episode:
    1. Blessed illegal aliens
    2. Evil, white, Christian murdering gun-owners
    3. Evil, uncaring, death-dealing corporations
    4. Evil, small-town fascists
    5. Americans hate people who are different from them and will kill them (with bullets!)

    For fuck’s sake. I’m embarrassed that some small portion of my small DVD rental price will go into the pockets of the people that made this.

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    No sooner does Mexican Jesus get the guy across, than a bunch of white, redneck Christians pulls up in their trucks, with guns engraved with Bible verses, and massacres the defenseless illegals, including Mexican Jesus, clutching crosses while they fire their guns.

    What I appreciate about our creative class is the way they can come up with deep, subtle thoughts that are beyond the reach of people like me.

    Do you know how much input Neil Gaiman has in the show? Because when I read the book, I thought it was corny, but he seemed like he genuinely liked America. He moved here, after all. He even raved about Culver's, so I gave him points for trying to fit in.

    But he also married Amanda Palmer, so there's that too.

    Thanks for confirming that I don't need to watch it, at least.
    , @DFH
    The worst thing is that the people who make/watch this probably pride themselves on being free-thinkers
    , @Tex
    Naturally they pick West Virginia as the capital of hate. Because the entertainment industry has no inhibitions about gratuitously insulting working class rural whites. Of course it's an insult with a purpose, it's propaganda that poor, rural white folk are no better than Nazis, and that eliminating them by enforced diversity is justifiable self-defense by the enlightened metro-left.

    Talk about hate speech. But SJWs always project.
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  39. Statement from the DNC and Chuck Schumer-

    We are troubled by President Trump’s divisive and inappropriate comments about shitholes. He is unstable and has single highhandedly set back delicate US diplomacy by one hundred years. We call on all Republicans to denounce him tomorrow at 10AM with a two minute hate that will be lead by Senator leaky pants Diane Feinstein. Furthermore we call on all Mexicans and Haitians to boycott Taco Bell.

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  40. @Clyde
    Did Trump really say this about immigration from shithole countries? I doubt it. This looks like more lies-disinformation from Dems and the left.
    Trump may think it, same as the average poster at Unz or Breitbart. Same as at least 40% of Americans.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-shithole-immigration-haiti-african-countries-2018-1

    I agree. He probably never said it.

    He is a consummate flatterer and a canny political operator. Given what seems like that rather obvious fact, I find it very strange the things some people seem to believe he has said. For instance, some people think he called neo-nazis “very fine people.” I can’t decide whether they are really that stupid, delusional, or slanderous, or if it is just if is just meant purely as an ingroup display.

    It is funny how nobody was Hitler before Hitler, but everyone after is.

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  41. The usual suspects are out in full force:

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    In my view, a constitutionally conscientious legislator could conclude that a demonstrated pattern of racist conduct by a president constituted a high crime or misdemeanor for impeachment purposes.

    Seems legit. I would point out that Trump has owned 100% fewer slaves than some of our greatest presidents, however. Could get sticky.
    , @Escher
    So he is saying that Haiti is not a shithole, while beating his own drum about his constitutional expertise.
    I'm sure Port-Au-Prince university will welcome him with open arms, after he surrenders his home to refugees.
    , @AndrewR
    In my view, Cornell Law is worthless if they employ this idiot.
    , @Anonymous

    Trump Demands Poem on Statue of Liberty Be Revised to Exclude Shithole Countries
    By Andy Borowitz
     
    , @Tex
    He read the Constitution, but he clearly didn't understand it.
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  42. Yes, Dr. Reich, the Norwegians were rabid Nazis. That’s why the Wermacht invaded and occupied Norway in the spring of 1940. Or something.

    It is absolutely stunning how open prominent Jews are about their tribalistic priorities and worldviews. I used to lament the fact that American Jewry would miscegenate itself out of existence in a few generations or so. No longer.

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  43. The irony of a jew named Reich commenting on the preferences of Nazis.

    BTW, the Nordic volunteers in service to Germany turned out to be far more fanatic Nazis than German Nazis: At war’s end, Germans could always say, “Yeah, we had to go along to get along,” while Norwegians and Danes inevitably faced a long drop on the end of a rope.

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  44. “Shithole countries”

    But enough about the Republic of Ireland already.

    This is the kind of thing that will get the Paddy amnesty lobby fully triggered. They’ll conclude Trump was really talking about them, and if he wasn’t, he will next week. Those 50,000 illegal visa overstayers in NY and Massachusetts, filling vital roles as nannies and bartenders, have a smugness that is almost an act of war. I hope they’re rounded up by ICE first, just to prove that this isn’t about race.

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  45. By the way, Haiti was one of 35 countries that abstained on the UN Jerusalem vote a couple of weeks ago, and was rewarded by being invited to Nikki Haley’s party for our friends. Norway of course voted against us.

    With that statement, Kristol basically confirmed just about every anti-Semitic ZOG/Jews-control-America conspiracy theory out there…

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    He does that every day. Lots of them do. They're daring you to notice. It's a sport for them.

    It's like that scene in the movie Precious, where the obese black girl runs down the street with a bucket of stolen fried chicken. They're daring you to say something.
    , @Mr. Blank
    I am probably among the most ardently philosemitic iSteve regulars, and Kristol and his ilk manage to tempt even me to join the Dark Side. Seriously, I wonder sometimes if it isn’t all just an elaborate act, a way of “owning the insult,” the same way an essentially privileged black guy like Ta-Nehisi Coates feels the need to channel low-class black thuggery as a way of “keepin’ it real.” It’s like Kristol et al feel the need to embody the stereotype of the slimy, conniving Jew, theatrically plotting to wipe out the goy, as their own version of “keepin’ it real.”

    Look, I get it: I’m a Southerner. I sometimes get a kick out of playing the violent, ill-educated stump-toothed redneck as a way of getting a rise out of people. I do this with my Yankee wife all the time. It’s fun.

    But come on. Even I am smart enough to drop the act when talking about serious issues with serious people. I get that Kristol probably doesn’t regard Trump as a serious person, and that’s fine, but plenty of regular people don’t share his view.

    Kristol et al might want to talk to some experienced Jewish comedians, who’d be happy to clue them in to a cardinal rule of public performance — not all material is appropriate for all audiences. There are certain jokes you only tell in front of certain people, because they’re the only ones who realize you are just joking.
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  46. This whole fauxtroversy is evidence that we’re winning.

    That the media are falling back on their old point-and-sputter approach, immediately after the Gang of 6 “compromise” was shot down, reveals that they are back on their heels.

    They are lacking any effective counter-argument to the common sense proposals offered by the President on Tuesday, and it has even been a little embarrassing to watch the Dem spokesmen try to duck the security issue for the last 48 hours.

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    The smart thing for Trump might be to say something twice as shocking tomorrow, and then again the next day. At some point the faux-outrage will be swamped like a Jewish politician on the streets of Chicago.
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  47. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The usual suspects are out in full force:

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951581959922184192

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951621895769636864

    In my view, a constitutionally conscientious legislator could conclude that a demonstrated pattern of racist conduct by a president constituted a high crime or misdemeanor for impeachment purposes.

    Seems legit. I would point out that Trump has owned 100% fewer slaves than some of our greatest presidents, however. Could get sticky.

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  48. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "To the Nazi's..."

    There is not supposed to be an apostrophe here. It's plural, not possessive. I thought Reich was supposed to be a genius, so you think he'd know this. Or does he have minions who compose Tweets for him yet don't understand grammar?

    I too wondered whether the tweeter @RBReich is the same

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich

    who was Secretary of Labor and has “published” 14 books. Could such a man really think that “Nazis” is spelled with an apostrophe?

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    I think it's the spell checkers.
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  49. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloudbuster
    Tangentially related. I have to share what I was just bludgeoned with.

    I'm very, very used to being slammed over the head with leftism and anti-Americanism in TV and movies, and often I just grit my teeth and look past it, otherwise I'd never get to watch anything at all.

    But tonight, I encountered something so egregiously, hatefully anti-American and anti-Christian that it actually threw me. I simply had to stop the show and eject the DVD. I'll take it back tomorrow. I can't in good conscience watch a show made by people who think like this.

    American Gods. Season 1. Episode 6: A Murder of Gods.

    Now, six episodes in, the show was already obviously the typical diversity fest, and I didn't agree philosophically with the concept -- that Gods are created and fueled by the belief of humans. But that's a topic for another post. I read the novel years ago, so I was ready for that. But this episode. Wow.

    Each episode opens with a little "Coming to America" Vignette. In this one, illegals are crossing the Rio Grande in the middle of the night. One of the illegals can't swim well, and starts to drown. He's rescued by Mexican Jesus, literally walking on water, smiling beatifically. No sooner does Mexican Jesus get the guy across, than a bunch of white, redneck Christians pulls up in their trucks, with guns engraved with Bible verses, and massacres the defenseless illegals, including Mexican Jesus, clutching crosses while they fire their guns. Pretty heavy-handed, right? I nearly stopped right there.

    Well, about halfway through the episode our protagonists drive into the fictional town of Vulcan, VA, which sits in the shadow of the massive Vulcan ammunition plant. It looms over the town, belching smoke into the sky.

    Wednesday (in an ominous tone): "Welcome to Vulcan, Virginia."
    Shadow: "Where is everyone?"
    (Camera pans over a sign "NOTICE: Lawful concealed carry welcomed on these premises.")
    Wednesday: "Everyone in this particular town is a dedicated citizen. Dedicated to one sticky belief. America. (Camera pans past American flags on poles above the street) THEIR America."
    (Camera pans over citizens of the town wearing red Vulcan logo armbands and dark suits, obviously Nazi-inspired. Everyone is carrying rifles.)
    Wednesday: "There aren't just two Americas. Everyone looks at Lady Liberty and sees a different face."
    (Camera pans over more citizens, all carrying rifles, wearing dark outfits with the armbands. Even an old woman in a wheelchair with an American flag flying from it is carrying a rifle, staring suspiciously.)
    Wednesday: "Even if it crumbles under question."
    (This is about the time when I shut it off and ejected it in disgust. I had to put it back in to transcribe this.)
    Wednesday: "People will defend the warm, safe feeling their America gives them."
    (Camera pans over more Nazi-themed Americans)
    Wednesday: "They will defend it... with bullets."
    (Yes, more Nazi-themed Americans with rifles. Now including teenaged girls.)
    Wednesday: "No, these streets mean one of two things -- radiation or something like this here."
    Shadow: "A funeral?"
    Wednesday: "Less a funeral than a celebration of sacrifice."
    (Apparently the whole town turned out in their fascist regalia, with their guns, for the funeral)

    I should pause here to explain that a little earlier, we were shown a vignette of a manager at the ammo plant leaning against a faulty railing, which gives way. He falls into a vat of molten lead and is made into Vulcan ammunition. Yes. Seriously. That heavy-handed.

    Wednesday: "And if I know my friend, someone got tossed into the volcano."
    Shadow: "This was a human sacrifice?"
    Wednesday: "Faulty railings at the forge. Couple times a year, an employee takes the plunge. Insurance company says it's cheaper to settle than to close down and refurbish. As good as throwing them in intentionally."

    That's pretty much the whole leftist Hate America package rolled up in two scenes from one episode:
    1. Blessed illegal aliens
    2. Evil, white, Christian murdering gun-owners
    3. Evil, uncaring, death-dealing corporations
    4. Evil, small-town fascists
    5. Americans hate people who are different from them and will kill them (with bullets!)

    For fuck's sake. I'm embarrassed that some small portion of my small DVD rental price will go into the pockets of the people that made this.

    No sooner does Mexican Jesus get the guy across, than a bunch of white, redneck Christians pulls up in their trucks, with guns engraved with Bible verses, and massacres the defenseless illegals, including Mexican Jesus, clutching crosses while they fire their guns.

    What I appreciate about our creative class is the way they can come up with deep, subtle thoughts that are beyond the reach of people like me.

    Do you know how much input Neil Gaiman has in the show? Because when I read the book, I thought it was corny, but he seemed like he genuinely liked America. He moved here, after all. He even raved about Culver’s, so I gave him points for trying to fit in.

    But he also married Amanda Palmer, so there’s that too.

    Thanks for confirming that I don’t need to watch it, at least.

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    Neither of the scenes I recount appear in the novel.

    In fact, I should have checked IMDB before I rented it, because a number of reviews call out the overt repeated and heavy-handed leftist propaganda that appears nowhere in the original novel.

    I believe it's all on the screenwriters.
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  50. Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn’t seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments. An effective leader is suppose to be able to inspire the masses and convince us that as Americans we’re all in this together. Instead, Trump largely undermines many of his own positions with these sorts of outbursts. This is why I stated earlier that Trump is a terrible spokesperson for immigration reform and many other important things. He’s mostly good at alienating the very people he’s supposed to convince.

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    • Replies: @Educated and Rational
    “Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn’t seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments”

    I agree. Drumph is finished for sure this time. The only people celebrating this racist slur are deplorables and trashy working class rubes who watch WWE.
    , @J.Ross
    >it doesn't seem particularly presidential

    Hillary Clinton said that she wanted the people of Iran to understand that once she was president she would start a war with Iran.
    , @J.Ross
    >Trump is a terrible spokesman

    Nope, he's the President of the United States. The spokesmen are people you never see or hear in the MSM. People who, because of their politeness, fail at the fundamental duty of a spokesman. Trump is a far better spokesman than them because his style tricks the MSM into reporting something they want either presented in very limited terms or not at all.
    , @Clyde

    Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn’t seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments. An effective leader is suppose to be able to inspire the masses and convince us that as Americans we’re all in this together. Instead, Trump largely undermines many of his own positions with these sorts of outbursts. This is why I stated earlier that Trump is a terrible spokesperson for immigration reform and many other important things. He’s mostly good at alienating the very people he’s supposed to convince.
     
    The sly and slinky ChiCom way is so much better. Hello Chairman Mao and Hu Jintao too. What you call Trump outbursts are how he disrupts the clone media and does an end run around their controls. While your Hu Juntao has 100% media control so can do his Mr Cool act like Obama. You are utterly clueless on what it takes to get conservative messages out there for general consumption. Boring too.
    , @Goodwhite
    “Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole”

    Please delete this racism.
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  51. @Dmitry
    Yesterday, Trump met the Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg - which is the reason he mentioned Norway today. The last person that spoke to him always seems to have the most important impact - as long as they made sufficient effort to charm him. (It would have been nice to have Trump as a teacher at school, as he seems the kind of character students could easily charm into forgetting that you didn't hand in your homework.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzqRm5F1tOM

    If Trump had met with the leader of Haiti yesterday instead, do you think he’d be talking up Haitian immigration?

    Trump has common sense, and knows that Norway is an advanced country. It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

    Haiti is ranked #163 out of 168: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    The Human Development Index is an objective measure developed by a Pakistani development economist, and it’s pretty consistent with common sense observations. But elites act as if noticing the same things it does is racist.

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    It's ridiculous for Donald Trump to call Haiti a shithole nation. Here it is ranked by UN agency above Burkina Faso, Djibouti, Togo, Afghanistan and The Congo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development
    , @eah
    It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index:...

    Where would it be if it did not have all that North Sea oil and a small population?
    , @Dmitry

    If Trump had met with the leader of Haiti yesterday instead, do you think he’d be talking up Haitian immigration?
     
    Yes I would hope not. But given the nature of Trump - you could not say that was even p= 0.75. After he had been showered with praise in Saudi Arabia, he spent weeks talking up the Saudi king - and even went against the rest of his cabinet in supporting their blockade on Qatar.

    Trump has common sense, and knows that Norway is an advanced country. It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

    Haiti is ranked #163 out of 168: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    The Human Development Index is an objective measure developed by a Pakistani development economist, and it’s pretty consistent with common sense observations. But elites act as if noticing the same things it does is racist.
     

    Every sane and even quarter-educated person in the world is aware that Haiti is a shithole. People in Haiti literally eat cakes made out of mud (look it up). Ask yourself how many people every year are trying to immigrate to Haiti.

    This is not the issue.

    The issue is that there is nothing to benefit Trump (or people like us who support him), in his statements. All it does is add a little more resistance to his agenda, and undermine his own status with his cabinet, staff and all the people who are needed to pass the agenda (which we want him to pass).

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  52. Lol…this site could exist for a hundred years and it would never have a president as inline with its feelings on immigration as Trump. Funny how some still want to disavow themselves from his “rhetoric.”

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  53. @anony-mouse
    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants? I wonder if Stable Genius has any geographical sense.

    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants? I wonder if Stable Genius has any geographical sense.

    Easy. Building the wall changes the mindset of both the USA and the world. It announces that we once again believe in borders. And that we won’t accept bum rushers, whether they come by way of the southern border or by landing on Miami beach.

    Think about this. The 1965 Immigration Act changed our mindset. Prior to this act we were essentially a white nation. From our first naturalization act signed by George Washington, which explicitly limited naturalization to “free whites”, through the many acts that followed, it was clear our immigration laws were not only designed to keep the US white, they were designed to keep it NW Euro dominant as well.

    But the 1965 act dropped this requirement. In time the US no longer believed in itself as a European nation and allowed itself to be inundated with people who would be unrecognizable to our Founding stock.

    Changing mindset is important. Even Trump’s statement today about shithole nations was a step in the right direction. Many people will freely tell you this in private, but would rather die than risk the social backlash of stating it in public. Trump just shifted the Overton Window on this issue. Trump’s wall will have beneficial effects too, both immediate at the border and in the future by the changed attitude regarding entry into our nation.

    Finally, we have been promised a wall for quite some time and the elites always manage to fool us and not build it. By building the wall Trump will reinvigorate many of us who were about to give up on politics, and send a needed message to the elite that their “inferiors” do indeed have some power and must be listened to.

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  54. @Clyde
    Did Trump really say this about immigration from shithole countries? I doubt it. This looks like more lies-disinformation from Dems and the left.
    Trump may think it, same as the average poster at Unz or Breitbart. Same as at least 40% of Americans.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-shithole-immigration-haiti-african-countries-2018-1

    I hope he said it.

    Are there any people who don’t honestly think Haiti is a shithole? I’m pretty sure even Haitians think Haiti is a shithole (which is why they want to stay here).

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  55. @Dave Pinsen
    If Trump had met with the leader of Haiti yesterday instead, do you think he'd be talking up Haitian immigration?

    Trump has common sense, and knows that Norway is an advanced country. It's the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

    Haiti is ranked #163 out of 168: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    The Human Development Index is an objective measure developed by a Pakistani development economist, and it's pretty consistent with common sense observations. But elites act as if noticing the same things it does is racist.

    It’s ridiculous for Donald Trump to call Haiti a shithole nation. Here it is ranked by UN agency above Burkina Faso, Djibouti, Togo, Afghanistan and The Congo.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

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    Maybe that’s Haiti’s motto on its Coat of Arms?

    Better Us Than Congo
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  56. Why would any real conservative prefer Norwegian socialists over Somali libertarians?

    Please consider the possibility that some people may take this kind of comment seriously. Think of the (mental) children.

    It wasn’t their fault, their parents came in, it wasn’t their fault.

    When someone dumps a baby on my doorstep, it isn’t my fault, either. And I certainly don’t adopt it.

    When a city can’t provide safety, it’s a shithole city. Baltimore and Chicago are the two cites that come to mind most quickly as shithold cities.

    Yeah, Detroit is such a shithole that it depopulated and people have started to forget it even exists.

    Yesterday, Trump met the Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg – which is the reason he mentioned Norway today. The last person that spoke to him always seems to have the most important impact

    Your theory seems to be that Trump didn’t talk with anyone between his meeting with Solberg, yesterday, and the meeting with Senators, today. Seems like a stupid theory.

    My impression of a US liberal,

    OMG, I can’t believe we have a president that would call Haiti a shithole country; I’m moving to Norway!

    Neiss.

    If Kristol or Reich cared about Israel – they would (at least publicly) be the biggest Trump cheerleaders in the world. (They would still laugh about him in a snobby way in private, but they would be cheering him in public and praying he wins another presidential term, as he has so far been the most pro-Israel president in history.)

    You mean, if Kristol or Reich cared only about Israel, and actually thought the Democrats would deliver substantially less than Trump would. Sounds like another of your stupid theories. In reality people like Kristol and Reich care about a whole raft of other stuff, which the Democrats cater to far better than the GOP. The Democrats are Zionist stooges, to boot.

    Cloudbuster says:
    January 12, 2018 at 2:34 am GMT • 700 Words

    Tangentially related. I have to share what I was just bludgeoned with.

    American Gods, by (((Neil Gaiman))).

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  57. @Yan Shen
    Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn't seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments. An effective leader is suppose to be able to inspire the masses and convince us that as Americans we're all in this together. Instead, Trump largely undermines many of his own positions with these sorts of outbursts. This is why I stated earlier that Trump is a terrible spokesperson for immigration reform and many other important things. He's mostly good at alienating the very people he's supposed to convince.

    “Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn’t seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments”

    I agree. Drumph is finished for sure this time. The only people celebrating this racist slur are deplorables and trashy working class rubes who watch WWE.

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  58. @Dave Pinsen
    If Trump had met with the leader of Haiti yesterday instead, do you think he'd be talking up Haitian immigration?

    Trump has common sense, and knows that Norway is an advanced country. It's the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

    Haiti is ranked #163 out of 168: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    The Human Development Index is an objective measure developed by a Pakistani development economist, and it's pretty consistent with common sense observations. But elites act as if noticing the same things it does is racist.

    It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index:…

    Where would it be if it did not have all that North Sea oil and a small population?

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    Without oil, Norway would be Iceland.

    Which isn't so bad ...

    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    A beautiful country with beautiful people. They don't need money to have a high quality of life.
    , @S. Anonyia
    About like Ireland, which has a similar sized population. Still pretty nice.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Where would it be if it did not have all that North Sea oil...?

     

    If it wasn't for the Earth's natural resources, whitey would be just as poor as the black man.

    Troll "A" Gas Platform: Skyscraper At Sea
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  59. @Yan Shen
    Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn't seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments. An effective leader is suppose to be able to inspire the masses and convince us that as Americans we're all in this together. Instead, Trump largely undermines many of his own positions with these sorts of outbursts. This is why I stated earlier that Trump is a terrible spokesperson for immigration reform and many other important things. He's mostly good at alienating the very people he's supposed to convince.

    >it doesn’t seem particularly presidential

    Hillary Clinton said that she wanted the people of Iran to understand that once she was president she would start a war with Iran.

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  60. @Harold
    My impression of a US liberal,

    OMG, I can't believe we have a president that would call Haiti a shithole country; I’m moving to Norway!

    “My impression of a US liberal,

    OMG, I can’t believe we have a president that would call Haiti a shithole country; I’m moving to Norway!”

    Yup. Reminds me of when Bush was re-elected in ‘04 and Trump was elected in ‘16. Liberals crashed the Australian and Canadian immigration websites, but I don’t recall rafts of Democrat boatpeople washing up on Haitian or Honduran shores.

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  61. @Dr. X

    By the way, Haiti was one of 35 countries that abstained on the UN Jerusalem vote a couple of weeks ago, and was rewarded by being invited to Nikki Haley's party for our friends. Norway of course voted against us.
     
    With that statement, Kristol basically confirmed just about every anti-Semitic ZOG/Jews-control-America conspiracy theory out there...

    He does that every day. Lots of them do. They’re daring you to notice. It’s a sport for them.

    It’s like that scene in the movie Precious, where the obese black girl runs down the street with a bucket of stolen fried chicken. They’re daring you to say something.

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    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/951592690872877056
    , @Dmitry
    In response to your post on Israel - Israeli politics in fact had an analogous situation to my above posts.

    In Israel, there was Miri Regev (a Donald Trump style politician, in the sense of being unfiltered), who called the illegal immigrants 'cancer'. The result of her statement (unforced error) was simply to strengthen the left's position in Israel by giving them evidence that the desire to deport the illegal immigrants was somehow racism - it created some additional domestic and international resistance to their actually being deported.

    On the other hand, there was Gideon Sa'ar who condemned this kind of language - said that the illegal immigrants were ordinary people, who deserve to be treated with respect. He managed to establish voluntary repatriation program for them, he expanded the Holot detention camp - and before he left government, had probably done more to repatriate the illegal immigrants than any other politician in the country.

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  63. @Clyde
    It's ridiculous for Donald Trump to call Haiti a shithole nation. Here it is ranked by UN agency above Burkina Faso, Djibouti, Togo, Afghanistan and The Congo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    Maybe that’s Haiti’s motto on its Coat of Arms?

    Better Us Than Congo

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    "Haiti! At least we're not the Congo."
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  64. @eah
    https://twitter.com/BAGEL_FREE/status/951618573624946688

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    http://www.twitter.com/sallykohn/status/951589740159098880

    Once upon a time, people in the United States said the same things about my Jewish ancestors. Then again, perhaps you’d still say that now, too.
     
    Yeah, Sally, I guess some of them probably would.

    The question, then, is if that bothers her so much, what does she suggest that they do differently, that might at least have a shot of making people stop saying that?

    Any ideas? Any at all? Does it even occur to her to wonder if they might want to act differently, if they want people to like them more? Or is that one of those thoughts that's just a little too much for even someone with a stratospheric 115 IQ to grapple with?

    , @eah
    It's way past time to put Jews on the spot about this -- especially virtue-signalling, anti-white American Jews.

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/951837006929285126
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  65. @Yan Shen
    Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn't seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments. An effective leader is suppose to be able to inspire the masses and convince us that as Americans we're all in this together. Instead, Trump largely undermines many of his own positions with these sorts of outbursts. This is why I stated earlier that Trump is a terrible spokesperson for immigration reform and many other important things. He's mostly good at alienating the very people he's supposed to convince.

    >Trump is a terrible spokesman

    Nope, he’s the President of the United States. The spokesmen are people you never see or hear in the MSM. People who, because of their politeness, fail at the fundamental duty of a spokesman. Trump is a far better spokesman than them because his style tricks the MSM into reporting something they want either presented in very limited terms or not at all.

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  66. @eah
    It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index:...

    Where would it be if it did not have all that North Sea oil and a small population?

    Without oil, Norway would be Iceland.

    Which isn’t so bad …

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    Iceland, land of the cod and the bitcoin. Fishing and mining are all about the same anyway.

    Bitcoin mining companies are increasingly turning to the cheap and renewable energy resources of Iceland to be cost efficient. In a small industrial park on a south-westerly lava plain peninsula of Iceland, a steadily expanding server farm is pumping out plumes of steam - and millions of dollars worth of bitcoin.
    Geothermal Gold: Why Bitcoin Mines are Moving to Iceland
    www.ibtimes.co.uk/geothermal-gold-why-bitcoin-mines-are-moving-iceland-1468295
     
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Iceland's #9 on the Human Development Index (the U.S. and Canada are tied at 10).
    , @eah
    In 2007, Iceland topped the list of nations ranked by Human Development Index.

    Iceland benefits greatly from hydroelectric and geothermal energy.
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  67. @Yan Shen
    Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn't seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments. An effective leader is suppose to be able to inspire the masses and convince us that as Americans we're all in this together. Instead, Trump largely undermines many of his own positions with these sorts of outbursts. This is why I stated earlier that Trump is a terrible spokesperson for immigration reform and many other important things. He's mostly good at alienating the very people he's supposed to convince.

    Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn’t seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments. An effective leader is suppose to be able to inspire the masses and convince us that as Americans we’re all in this together. Instead, Trump largely undermines many of his own positions with these sorts of outbursts. This is why I stated earlier that Trump is a terrible spokesperson for immigration reform and many other important things. He’s mostly good at alienating the very people he’s supposed to convince.

    The sly and slinky ChiCom way is so much better. Hello Chairman Mao and Hu Jintao too. What you call Trump outbursts are how he disrupts the clone media and does an end run around their controls. While your Hu Juntao has 100% media control so can do his Mr Cool act like Obama. You are utterly clueless on what it takes to get conservative messages out there for general consumption. Boring too.

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  68. @syonredux
    Reasons for preferring Norwegians over Haitians as immigrants.....Well, for starters, Norwegians don't qualify for affirmative action.....

    Haitians are not being brought over as slaves. They shouldn’t qualify either.

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  69. @Yan Shen
    Well as some others have already pointed out, Trump certainly lacks tact. Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole, it doesn't seem particularly presidential making those sorts of comments. An effective leader is suppose to be able to inspire the masses and convince us that as Americans we're all in this together. Instead, Trump largely undermines many of his own positions with these sorts of outbursts. This is why I stated earlier that Trump is a terrible spokesperson for immigration reform and many other important things. He's mostly good at alienating the very people he's supposed to convince.

    “Even if strictly speaking Haiti is a shit hole”

    Please delete this racism.

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  70. @Steve Sailer
    Without oil, Norway would be Iceland.

    Which isn't so bad ...

    Iceland, land of the cod and the bitcoin. Fishing and mining are all about the same anyway.

    Bitcoin mining companies are increasingly turning to the cheap and renewable energy resources of Iceland to be cost efficient. In a small industrial park on a south-westerly lava plain peninsula of Iceland, a steadily expanding server farm is pumping out plumes of steam – and millions of dollars worth of bitcoin.
    Geothermal Gold: Why Bitcoin Mines are Moving to Iceland
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/geothermal-gold-why-bitcoin-mines-are-moving-iceland-1468295

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  71. @Steve Sailer
    It's bizarre to realize that Haiti used to be adequate enough that Bill and Hillary Clinton honeymooned there.

    In high school I read Graham Greene's novel "The Comedians" about European ex-pats hanging out in Haiti.

    I was on holidays over there when living in the Dominican Republic in the mid-seventies. Still had French colonial charm–we would stay in Graham Green’s Hotel Olofson–and an exotic appeal bc of the assertive expression of voudou culture and black pride, but the poverty was staggering and depressing even then if you’d bother to look at it, little boys or girls offering their brothers, sisters, or themselves, constant begging if you left the hotels, restaurants and resorts. Tourist infrastructure was still intact, though. At the time Haiti was perceived as being an exotic place though extremely poor, but not of abject horror. Baby Doc was corrupt but bon homme, and even his father’s rule was as evil as it was fascinating. You could rent a car and drive up to Petionville with its springtime climate in the mountains, there still where long stretches of misty woods to drive through when going north to see the Atlantic. You would be shallow if you’d wanted to come back, though, one friend of us refused to look sideways after a while, she couldn’t take it anymore. I’m glad I had the experience, wouldn’t bother now, it’s a sunken world.

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    We flew to Cap-Haïtien with a Cessna to visit Citadelle Laferrière that king Henri Christophe had built to ward off the French. In a Catholic church a pretty black girl in its Sunday best, maybe 10 years old, would accost me politely in elaborate sunday-school-French to offer me whatsoever service I could desire, Monsieur. The Church was wonderful and the fortress breathtaking but you still wanted to leave and not come back.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citadelle_Laferri%C3%A8re
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  72. @Anonymous
    The usual suspects are out in full force:

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951581959922184192

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951621895769636864

    So he is saying that Haiti is not a shithole, while beating his own drum about his constitutional expertise.
    I’m sure Port-Au-Prince university will welcome him with open arms, after he surrenders his home to refugees.

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  73. @Dave Pinsen
    If Trump had met with the leader of Haiti yesterday instead, do you think he'd be talking up Haitian immigration?

    Trump has common sense, and knows that Norway is an advanced country. It's the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

    Haiti is ranked #163 out of 168: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    The Human Development Index is an objective measure developed by a Pakistani development economist, and it's pretty consistent with common sense observations. But elites act as if noticing the same things it does is racist.

    If Trump had met with the leader of Haiti yesterday instead, do you think he’d be talking up Haitian immigration?

    Yes I would hope not. But given the nature of Trump – you could not say that was even p= 0.75. After he had been showered with praise in Saudi Arabia, he spent weeks talking up the Saudi king – and even went against the rest of his cabinet in supporting their blockade on Qatar.

    Trump has common sense, and knows that Norway is an advanced country. It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

    Haiti is ranked #163 out of 168: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    The Human Development Index is an objective measure developed by a Pakistani development economist, and it’s pretty consistent with common sense observations. But elites act as if noticing the same things it does is racist.

    Every sane and even quarter-educated person in the world is aware that Haiti is a shithole. People in Haiti literally eat cakes made out of mud (look it up). Ask yourself how many people every year are trying to immigrate to Haiti.

    This is not the issue.

    The issue is that there is nothing to benefit Trump (or people like us who support him), in his statements. All it does is add a little more resistance to his agenda, and undermine his own status with his cabinet, staff and all the people who are needed to pass the agenda (which we want him to pass).

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    “The issue is that there is nothing to benefit Trump (or people like us who support him), in his statements. “

    I share your concern.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    They weren't public statements, but leaked private comments.
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  74. @eah
    It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index:...

    Where would it be if it did not have all that North Sea oil and a small population?

    A beautiful country with beautiful people. They don’t need money to have a high quality of life.

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    http://www.agestrad.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/idioma-noruego.jpg
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  75. Year or two and it’s a Civil War. Gonna happen and no one will stop it. We need two countries and need it now.

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  76. Norway of course voted against us.

    This is somewhat related to why guys like whiskey denounced and jettisoned the only nationally known guy who has been warning America about our demographic doom for 25 years, Patrick Buchanan. It all came down to whose side he was on. And by side I don’t mean America’s.

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    As someone who is basically pro-Israel, I have to reluctantly concede that Buchanan was mostly right about a lot of this stuff.

    When future historians write about our era, Pat Buchanan will probably loom quite large as a prophet without honor in his own land.
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  77. @Barnard
    Tucker Carlson reported Joan Walsh said she couldn't say where she would rather live between Haiti and Norway.
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  78. @Corn
    Maybe that’s Haiti’s motto on its Coat of Arms?

    Better Us Than Congo

    “Haiti! At least we’re not the Congo.”

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  79. @Dmitry

    If Trump had met with the leader of Haiti yesterday instead, do you think he’d be talking up Haitian immigration?
     
    Yes I would hope not. But given the nature of Trump - you could not say that was even p= 0.75. After he had been showered with praise in Saudi Arabia, he spent weeks talking up the Saudi king - and even went against the rest of his cabinet in supporting their blockade on Qatar.

    Trump has common sense, and knows that Norway is an advanced country. It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

    Haiti is ranked #163 out of 168: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    The Human Development Index is an objective measure developed by a Pakistani development economist, and it’s pretty consistent with common sense observations. But elites act as if noticing the same things it does is racist.
     

    Every sane and even quarter-educated person in the world is aware that Haiti is a shithole. People in Haiti literally eat cakes made out of mud (look it up). Ask yourself how many people every year are trying to immigrate to Haiti.

    This is not the issue.

    The issue is that there is nothing to benefit Trump (or people like us who support him), in his statements. All it does is add a little more resistance to his agenda, and undermine his own status with his cabinet, staff and all the people who are needed to pass the agenda (which we want him to pass).

    “The issue is that there is nothing to benefit Trump (or people like us who support him), in his statements. “

    I share your concern.

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    Yepper, all of you theologically-pure trumpkins are going to be so happy that you cared naught for optics these last few years when it was even remotely possible to change the course of events. Prattling on about overton windows shifting this way and that while a demographic door is being shut in your face, forever. Hope it was worth it.
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  80. @Steve Sailer
    Without oil, Norway would be Iceland.

    Which isn't so bad ...

    Iceland’s #9 on the Human Development Index (the U.S. and Canada are tied at 10).

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  81. @Dmitry

    If Trump had met with the leader of Haiti yesterday instead, do you think he’d be talking up Haitian immigration?
     
    Yes I would hope not. But given the nature of Trump - you could not say that was even p= 0.75. After he had been showered with praise in Saudi Arabia, he spent weeks talking up the Saudi king - and even went against the rest of his cabinet in supporting their blockade on Qatar.

    Trump has common sense, and knows that Norway is an advanced country. It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

    Haiti is ranked #163 out of 168: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Low_human_development

    The Human Development Index is an objective measure developed by a Pakistani development economist, and it’s pretty consistent with common sense observations. But elites act as if noticing the same things it does is racist.
     

    Every sane and even quarter-educated person in the world is aware that Haiti is a shithole. People in Haiti literally eat cakes made out of mud (look it up). Ask yourself how many people every year are trying to immigrate to Haiti.

    This is not the issue.

    The issue is that there is nothing to benefit Trump (or people like us who support him), in his statements. All it does is add a little more resistance to his agenda, and undermine his own status with his cabinet, staff and all the people who are needed to pass the agenda (which we want him to pass).

    They weren’t public statements, but leaked private comments.

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  82. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/951592690872877056

    Once upon a time, people in the United States said the same things about my Jewish ancestors. Then again, perhaps you’d still say that now, too.

    Yeah, Sally, I guess some of them probably would.

    The question, then, is if that bothers her so much, what does she suggest that they do differently, that might at least have a shot of making people stop saying that?

    Any ideas? Any at all? Does it even occur to her to wonder if they might want to act differently, if they want people to like them more? Or is that one of those thoughts that’s just a little too much for even someone with a stratospheric 115 IQ to grapple with?

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    What incentive do Jewish Supremacists have to change their behavior? Their only real critics are maligned by normies as "Nazis" who deserve violent deaths. Jewish Supremacy could hardly be better maintained.
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  83. @Antlitz Grollheim
    A beautiful country with beautiful people. They don't need money to have a high quality of life.

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    No fair posting pics from Lord of the Rings!
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  84. @theo the kraut
    I was on holidays over there when living in the Dominican Republic in the mid-seventies. Still had French colonial charm--we would stay in Graham Green's Hotel Olofson--and an exotic appeal bc of the assertive expression of voudou culture and black pride, but the poverty was staggering and depressing even then if you'd bother to look at it, little boys or girls offering their brothers, sisters, or themselves, constant begging if you left the hotels, restaurants and resorts. Tourist infrastructure was still intact, though. At the time Haiti was perceived as being an exotic place though extremely poor, but not of abject horror. Baby Doc was corrupt but bon homme, and even his father's rule was as evil as it was fascinating. You could rent a car and drive up to Petionville with its springtime climate in the mountains, there still where long stretches of misty woods to drive through when going north to see the Atlantic. You would be shallow if you'd wanted to come back, though, one friend of us refused to look sideways after a while, she couldn't take it anymore. I'm glad I had the experience, wouldn't bother now, it's a sunken world.

    We flew to Cap-Haïtien with a Cessna to visit Citadelle Laferrière that king Henri Christophe had built to ward off the French. In a Catholic church a pretty black girl in its Sunday best, maybe 10 years old, would accost me politely in elaborate sunday-school-French to offer me whatsoever service I could desire, Monsieur. The Church was wonderful and the fortress breathtaking but you still wanted to leave and not come back.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citadelle_Laferri%C3%A8re

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    The Dominican Republic was nice but boring, unlike today where's it's a hotspot for German (sex) tourists, including our male young Turks. Haiti at the time was still romantic and had a whiff of wicked charm and elegance. You'd need a thick skin to savour it, though.
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  85. @eah
    https://twitter.com/BAGEL_FREE/status/951618573624946688

    In response to your post on Israel – Israeli politics in fact had an analogous situation to my above posts.

    In Israel, there was Miri Regev (a Donald Trump style politician, in the sense of being unfiltered), who called the illegal immigrants ‘cancer’. The result of her statement (unforced error) was simply to strengthen the left’s position in Israel by giving them evidence that the desire to deport the illegal immigrants was somehow racism – it created some additional domestic and international resistance to their actually being deported.

    On the other hand, there was Gideon Sa’ar who condemned this kind of language – said that the illegal immigrants were ordinary people, who deserve to be treated with respect. He managed to establish voluntary repatriation program for them, he expanded the Holot detention camp – and before he left government, had probably done more to repatriate the illegal immigrants than any other politician in the country.

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    Wait, you’re a Jew?
    , @J.Ross
    So you're comparing a Jewish Israeli politician in Israel to an American politician in America.
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  86. The defense rests. https://t.co/LtCq0rjsNp— Virginia Dare (@vdare) January 12, 2018

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ROFL!!!!
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  87. @Anonymous
    The usual suspects are out in full force:

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951581959922184192

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951621895769636864

    In my view, Cornell Law is worthless if they employ this idiot.

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  88. @Dmitry
    In response to your post on Israel - Israeli politics in fact had an analogous situation to my above posts.

    In Israel, there was Miri Regev (a Donald Trump style politician, in the sense of being unfiltered), who called the illegal immigrants 'cancer'. The result of her statement (unforced error) was simply to strengthen the left's position in Israel by giving them evidence that the desire to deport the illegal immigrants was somehow racism - it created some additional domestic and international resistance to their actually being deported.

    On the other hand, there was Gideon Sa'ar who condemned this kind of language - said that the illegal immigrants were ordinary people, who deserve to be treated with respect. He managed to establish voluntary repatriation program for them, he expanded the Holot detention camp - and before he left government, had probably done more to repatriate the illegal immigrants than any other politician in the country.

    Wait, you’re a Jew?

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  89. @anon
    No sooner does Mexican Jesus get the guy across, than a bunch of white, redneck Christians pulls up in their trucks, with guns engraved with Bible verses, and massacres the defenseless illegals, including Mexican Jesus, clutching crosses while they fire their guns.

    What I appreciate about our creative class is the way they can come up with deep, subtle thoughts that are beyond the reach of people like me.

    Do you know how much input Neil Gaiman has in the show? Because when I read the book, I thought it was corny, but he seemed like he genuinely liked America. He moved here, after all. He even raved about Culver's, so I gave him points for trying to fit in.

    But he also married Amanda Palmer, so there's that too.

    Thanks for confirming that I don't need to watch it, at least.

    Neither of the scenes I recount appear in the novel.

    In fact, I should have checked IMDB before I rented it, because a number of reviews call out the overt repeated and heavy-handed leftist propaganda that appears nowhere in the original novel.

    I believe it’s all on the screenwriters.

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  90. @anon
    http://www.twitter.com/sallykohn/status/951589740159098880

    Once upon a time, people in the United States said the same things about my Jewish ancestors. Then again, perhaps you’d still say that now, too.
     
    Yeah, Sally, I guess some of them probably would.

    The question, then, is if that bothers her so much, what does she suggest that they do differently, that might at least have a shot of making people stop saying that?

    Any ideas? Any at all? Does it even occur to her to wonder if they might want to act differently, if they want people to like them more? Or is that one of those thoughts that's just a little too much for even someone with a stratospheric 115 IQ to grapple with?

    What incentive do Jewish Supremacists have to change their behavior? Their only real critics are maligned by normies as “Nazis” who deserve violent deaths. Jewish Supremacy could hardly be better maintained.

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  91. @Anonymous
    The usual suspects are out in full force:

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951581959922184192

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951621895769636864

    Trump Demands Poem on Statue of Liberty Be Revised to Exclude Shithole Countries
    By Andy Borowitz

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    Revise, my ass. Erase it all, every last letter.
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  92. “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries [Haiti and Africa] come here?” Trump exploded.

    I wish I was like Trump. He has no filters, he says what he’s thinking.

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  93. @theo the kraut
    We flew to Cap-Haïtien with a Cessna to visit Citadelle Laferrière that king Henri Christophe had built to ward off the French. In a Catholic church a pretty black girl in its Sunday best, maybe 10 years old, would accost me politely in elaborate sunday-school-French to offer me whatsoever service I could desire, Monsieur. The Church was wonderful and the fortress breathtaking but you still wanted to leave and not come back.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citadelle_Laferri%C3%A8re

    The Dominican Republic was nice but boring, unlike today where’s it’s a hotspot for German (sex) tourists, including our male young Turks. Haiti at the time was still romantic and had a whiff of wicked charm and elegance. You’d need a thick skin to savour it, though.

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  94. @anony-mouse
    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants? I wonder if Stable Genius has any geographical sense.

    Well, we could re-designate Coast Guard cutters as “Mexican Wall Ships”…In order to get to us, they’ll have to get through them.

    http://www.military.com/video/forces/navy/americas-navy-the-shield/3951098519001

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    But how is the Coast Guard going to stop Mexicans crossing the border?
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  95. @Dmitry
    Yesterday, Trump met the Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg - which is the reason he mentioned Norway today. The last person that spoke to him always seems to have the most important impact - as long as they made sufficient effort to charm him. (It would have been nice to have Trump as a teacher at school, as he seems the kind of character students could easily charm into forgetting that you didn't hand in your homework.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzqRm5F1tOM

    Obama preferred Danish.

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  96. @anon
    The ‘shithole’ countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States – so doesn’t cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists.

    He didn't say it to journalists, though. He said it in a meeting, and it was then leaked to journalists by the slimy Dick Durbin.

    And you know, if I was from Haiti, I wouldn't like to hear it either. But what bugs me is that these people are pretending that Democrats don't talk that way too. I can't imagine that they don't. I am about 99% certain that Democratic politicians refer to actual states within the United States itself as "shitholes". And even if they don't say it, I know, with every fiber of my being, that they think it.

    It just bugs me that they're not criticizing Trump because they think he's wrong, but because he used a term that they themselves use all the time.

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can't afford to say stuff like that, because it's going to be leaked. It's just the way it is.

    The outrage is fake, but he should still be more careful.

    Nah. He just picked up a million votes.

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  97. @Aardvark
    Interesting that Trump did use the term shit hole. I have been saying for years that the problem with the modern day immigrant is that they are not coming here to be Americans. They cling to their culture and want the free stuff. I know of an area in the City of Chicago, and I am sure these areas exist elsewhere in the U.S., where someone can live their entire existence in Spanish and never speak English. There are probably other communities like that for other cultures. They come from countries that are total shit holes and they get busy here voting to turn this place in to the same shit hole they think they escaped from. Then what will they do? The idiot left thinks we are so racist as a country and yet people flock here from all over the world. Do they not consider the word would have gotten out by now if it were anywhere near true?

    It is similar to how Canadians lambaste us for our healthcare system because it isn't "free". A group of people advocate we should have the same healthcare system as the Canadians do. They do not realized that the Canadian HC system is so screwed up from socialism that wealthier Canadians come to the U.S. to get the medical care they need quicker than they can get in Canada. To boot, some Canadian provinces buy bulk HC contracts in the U.S. to deal with the lack of care available in the Canadian system. So if we turned our HC system in to the Canadian system where would the Canadians then go?

    Great comment and your 1st paragraph reminded me of my last trip to NYC. Within 5 minutes of LGA I stopped into a supermarket to grab a pack of bottled water. It was wall-to-wall solid with Spanish-only speakers (you could barely move through the aisles) and it sold the same crap exactly like the 3rd world sh&thole markets in the 3rd world sh&thole countries I’ve worked in over the past 30 years. But I will grant you that I did feel much, much safer there than on MLK Blvd in Manhattan if you know what I mean.

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  98. @eah
    It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index:...

    Where would it be if it did not have all that North Sea oil and a small population?

    About like Ireland, which has a similar sized population. Still pretty nice.

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    Iceland : 335,422 (8.3 vikings/sq.mile)

    Ireland : (4,725,392 + 1,876,695)=6,602,087 (173 leprechauns/sq.mile)

    Nearly 20 times the population. Population of Dublin City proper, 1,173,179. Iceland is not much bigger than Belfast City (295,000).

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  99. Bring in the Boers.

    En masse.

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  100. @Dmitry
    In response to your post on Israel - Israeli politics in fact had an analogous situation to my above posts.

    In Israel, there was Miri Regev (a Donald Trump style politician, in the sense of being unfiltered), who called the illegal immigrants 'cancer'. The result of her statement (unforced error) was simply to strengthen the left's position in Israel by giving them evidence that the desire to deport the illegal immigrants was somehow racism - it created some additional domestic and international resistance to their actually being deported.

    On the other hand, there was Gideon Sa'ar who condemned this kind of language - said that the illegal immigrants were ordinary people, who deserve to be treated with respect. He managed to establish voluntary repatriation program for them, he expanded the Holot detention camp - and before he left government, had probably done more to repatriate the illegal immigrants than any other politician in the country.

    So you’re comparing a Jewish Israeli politician in Israel to an American politician in America.

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  101. Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII and that Hitler was the aggrieved party. That alone made him a toxic lunatic . He has consistently viewed any and US military power as original sin.

    Not many people like wearing hair shirts.

    I did not exile anyone out of public life. And I can assure you my views of Blacks, gays, women, and Muslims are even more toxic and repulsive to elites and Jane though not Joe Public than Pitchfork Pat. Difference is I know it.

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    Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII.... That alone made him a toxic lunatic .
     
    Buchanan said the US should have allowed the Germans and Soviets to bleed each other white before we jumped into the fray.

    As for toxic lunatics, how about assigning that label to anyone who advocated for the Iraq Attack, overthrow of Kaddafi, and the Syrian intervention?


    that Hitler was the aggrieved party.
     
    He said that based upon Wilson's 14 points the Germans in Czechoslovakia deserved to be allowed to join the Reich.

    He has consistently viewed any and US military power as original sin.
     
    As opposed to consistently viewing any and all US military power and intervention as necessary. Which of our recent wars, which Buchanan has opposed, do you believe were worth the costs in blood and treasure? You advocated for the disastrous Iraq Attack while Buchanan correctly predicted what would happen all while being questioned over his patriotism by the likes of your ilk.

    And I can assure you my views of Blacks, gays, women, and Muslims are even more toxic and repulsive
     
    Based upon your comments the only people about whom you have toxic and repulsive views are white women.

    Pitchfork Pat
     
    Yes. We get the analogy. Which confirms my original suspicion about why you hate Pat Buchanan. There has been no one better on the immigration question or the cultural war. There has been on one better on wanting to preserve, or dare I say conserve, the USA. But to you it's all about the "pitchfork". It's always about the "pitchfork".

    Well at least you have now learned how to spell the man's name.

    , @Mr. Anon
    What is this, the thousandth post by "scots-irish" son of Caledonia "Whiskey"? And yet still not a single comment about anything that affects scots-irish people.

    Way to go, Whiskey - you are as full of s**t today as you were ten years ago.
    , @Neoconned
    Hitler was a batshit crazy maniac w homicidal tendencies.

    That being said our involvement was at best manipulated. And I don't for one second believe he had the manpower much less money or resources to launch an incasion of N America as some paranoidists claim.

    Had he conquered Europe and Russia he barely would have been able to invade the UK much less America....
    , @Vinteuil
    "Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII" - as, indeed, we should have. Why should we have sided with Stalin against Hitler?

    Buchanan is even more right that we should have sat out WWI - in which case there probably never would have been a WWII.

    "Hitler was the aggrieved party."

    Buchanan neither says nor thinks that. If you can't paraphrase him accurately, you should quote him, and take issue with what he's actually written.

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  102. @Aardvark
    Interesting that Trump did use the term shit hole. I have been saying for years that the problem with the modern day immigrant is that they are not coming here to be Americans. They cling to their culture and want the free stuff. I know of an area in the City of Chicago, and I am sure these areas exist elsewhere in the U.S., where someone can live their entire existence in Spanish and never speak English. There are probably other communities like that for other cultures. They come from countries that are total shit holes and they get busy here voting to turn this place in to the same shit hole they think they escaped from. Then what will they do? The idiot left thinks we are so racist as a country and yet people flock here from all over the world. Do they not consider the word would have gotten out by now if it were anywhere near true?

    It is similar to how Canadians lambaste us for our healthcare system because it isn't "free". A group of people advocate we should have the same healthcare system as the Canadians do. They do not realized that the Canadian HC system is so screwed up from socialism that wealthier Canadians come to the U.S. to get the medical care they need quicker than they can get in Canada. To boot, some Canadian provinces buy bulk HC contracts in the U.S. to deal with the lack of care available in the Canadian system. So if we turned our HC system in to the Canadian system where would the Canadians then go?

    @33 Aardvark: “They come from countries that are total shit holes and they get busy here voting to turn this place in to the same shit hole they think they escaped from.”

    The same reason California “conservatives” are helping to turn Texas purple. Per Horace, “Caelum non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt.” Those who cross the sea change their skies, not their souls.

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  103. @Whiskey
    Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII and that Hitler was the aggrieved party. That alone made him a toxic lunatic . He has consistently viewed any and US military power as original sin.

    Not many people like wearing hair shirts.

    I did not exile anyone out of public life. And I can assure you my views of Blacks, gays, women, and Muslims are even more toxic and repulsive to elites and Jane though not Joe Public than Pitchfork Pat. Difference is I know it.

    Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII…. That alone made him a toxic lunatic .

    Buchanan said the US should have allowed the Germans and Soviets to bleed each other white before we jumped into the fray.

    As for toxic lunatics, how about assigning that label to anyone who advocated for the Iraq Attack, overthrow of Kaddafi, and the Syrian intervention?

    that Hitler was the aggrieved party.

    He said that based upon Wilson’s 14 points the Germans in Czechoslovakia deserved to be allowed to join the Reich.

    He has consistently viewed any and US military power as original sin.

    As opposed to consistently viewing any and all US military power and intervention as necessary. Which of our recent wars, which Buchanan has opposed, do you believe were worth the costs in blood and treasure? You advocated for the disastrous Iraq Attack while Buchanan correctly predicted what would happen all while being questioned over his patriotism by the likes of your ilk.

    And I can assure you my views of Blacks, gays, women, and Muslims are even more toxic and repulsive

    Based upon your comments the only people about whom you have toxic and repulsive views are white women.

    Pitchfork Pat

    Yes. We get the analogy. Which confirms my original suspicion about why you hate Pat Buchanan. There has been no one better on the immigration question or the cultural war. There has been on one better on wanting to preserve, or dare I say conserve, the USA. But to you it’s all about the “pitchfork”. It’s always about the “pitchfork”.

    Well at least you have now learned how to spell the man’s name.

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  104. @Anonymous

    Trump Demands Poem on Statue of Liberty Be Revised to Exclude Shithole Countries
    By Andy Borowitz
     

    Revise, my ass. Erase it all, every last letter.

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  105. By the way, Haiti was one of 35 countries that abstained on the UN Jerusalem vote a couple of weeks ago, and was rewarded by being invited to Nikki Haley’s party for our friends. Norway of course voted against us.

    — Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) January 11, 2018

    Obviously, Haiti should be rewarded with thousands of Israeli immigration visas. Israel clearly needs an enriching infusion of Haitians.

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  106. @Whiskey
    Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII and that Hitler was the aggrieved party. That alone made him a toxic lunatic . He has consistently viewed any and US military power as original sin.

    Not many people like wearing hair shirts.

    I did not exile anyone out of public life. And I can assure you my views of Blacks, gays, women, and Muslims are even more toxic and repulsive to elites and Jane though not Joe Public than Pitchfork Pat. Difference is I know it.

    What is this, the thousandth post by “scots-irish” son of Caledonia “Whiskey”? And yet still not a single comment about anything that affects scots-irish people.

    Way to go, Whiskey – you are as full of s**t today as you were ten years ago.

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  107. @Harold
    My impression of a US liberal,

    OMG, I can't believe we have a president that would call Haiti a shithole country; I’m moving to Norway!

    That’s good. Well done.

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  108. @Alastair Trumpington
    https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=RgdYWq-ULo6IjwOT3IOACg&q=robert+reich+height&oq=robert+reich+height&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3..0l2j0i22i30k1l2j5.1373.7776.0.7949.28.24.4.8.8.0.720.5340.0j13j1j5-4j1.20.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..8.17.1581.3..41j0i131k1j0i10k1.122.fVZuwgannUo

    Another Waugh fan.

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  109. @Barnard
    Tucker Carlson reported Joan Walsh said she couldn't say where she would rather live between Haiti and Norway.

    Yeesh. Why would that even be a question?

    Between Norway and Haiti, I’d pick Norway every time. And I’m someone who hates hates hates snow and cold weather and loves beaches and warm weather and sunshine.

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    On the other hand: Beans and rice and meat patties, or...
    Lutefisk.
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  110. @Steve Sailer
    Without oil, Norway would be Iceland.

    Which isn't so bad ...

    In 2007, Iceland topped the list of nations ranked by Human Development Index.

    Iceland benefits greatly from hydroelectric and geothermal energy.

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    Right, Haiti has no natural resources, anything like sugarcane, for instance, which they could turn to advantage.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    And they're so hyper-related to each other that they can check a register before getting married. All third-of-a-million of them.
    For an idea of how circumscribed that is, Northampton, the greatest town (it's not a city) in England is just shy of a quarter-million, has produced merely one great thinker, and is astoundingly Vibrant these days.

    .. a search engine called Íslendingabók (the Book of Icelanders) allows users to plug in their own name alongside that of a prospective mate, determining any familial overlap. The site claims to track 1,200 years of genealogical information about the island’s inhabitants.
     
    Looks like a total absence of Diversity hasn't done them any harm. For Shame!!
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Iceland benefits greatly from hydroelectric and geothermal energy

     

    Whitey stole those rivers and volcanoes from Africa.
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  111. @Whiskey
    Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII and that Hitler was the aggrieved party. That alone made him a toxic lunatic . He has consistently viewed any and US military power as original sin.

    Not many people like wearing hair shirts.

    I did not exile anyone out of public life. And I can assure you my views of Blacks, gays, women, and Muslims are even more toxic and repulsive to elites and Jane though not Joe Public than Pitchfork Pat. Difference is I know it.

    Hitler was a batshit crazy maniac w homicidal tendencies.

    That being said our involvement was at best manipulated. And I don’t for one second believe he had the manpower much less money or resources to launch an incasion of N America as some paranoidists claim.

    Had he conquered Europe and Russia he barely would have been able to invade the UK much less America….

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  112. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    The ‘shithole’ countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States – so doesn’t cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists.

    He didn't say it to journalists, though. He said it in a meeting, and it was then leaked to journalists by the slimy Dick Durbin.

    And you know, if I was from Haiti, I wouldn't like to hear it either. But what bugs me is that these people are pretending that Democrats don't talk that way too. I can't imagine that they don't. I am about 99% certain that Democratic politicians refer to actual states within the United States itself as "shitholes". And even if they don't say it, I know, with every fiber of my being, that they think it.

    It just bugs me that they're not criticizing Trump because they think he's wrong, but because he used a term that they themselves use all the time.

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can't afford to say stuff like that, because it's going to be leaked. It's just the way it is.

    The outrage is fake, but he should still be more careful.

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can’t afford to say stuff like that, because it’s going to be leaked. It’s just the way it is.

    Good point, because no previous president ever used foul language.

    Or perhaps it’s just that the entire Establishment is opposed to this one?

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    Or perhaps it’s just that the entire Establishment is opposed to this one?

    Yep.
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  113. @Dr. X

    By the way, Haiti was one of 35 countries that abstained on the UN Jerusalem vote a couple of weeks ago, and was rewarded by being invited to Nikki Haley's party for our friends. Norway of course voted against us.
     
    With that statement, Kristol basically confirmed just about every anti-Semitic ZOG/Jews-control-America conspiracy theory out there...

    I am probably among the most ardently philosemitic iSteve regulars, and Kristol and his ilk manage to tempt even me to join the Dark Side. Seriously, I wonder sometimes if it isn’t all just an elaborate act, a way of “owning the insult,” the same way an essentially privileged black guy like Ta-Nehisi Coates feels the need to channel low-class black thuggery as a way of “keepin’ it real.” It’s like Kristol et al feel the need to embody the stereotype of the slimy, conniving Jew, theatrically plotting to wipe out the goy, as their own version of “keepin’ it real.”

    Look, I get it: I’m a Southerner. I sometimes get a kick out of playing the violent, ill-educated stump-toothed redneck as a way of getting a rise out of people. I do this with my Yankee wife all the time. It’s fun.

    But come on. Even I am smart enough to drop the act when talking about serious issues with serious people. I get that Kristol probably doesn’t regard Trump as a serious person, and that’s fine, but plenty of regular people don’t share his view.

    Kristol et al might want to talk to some experienced Jewish comedians, who’d be happy to clue them in to a cardinal rule of public performance — not all material is appropriate for all audiences. There are certain jokes you only tell in front of certain people, because they’re the only ones who realize you are just joking.

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    I wonder sometimes if it isn’t all just an elaborate act … [300 Words]
     
    Be careful with that Butterknife. ;)
    , @Elsewhere
    I have been thinking the same thing. It can be fun to get a rise out of someone by pretending to confirm their fears of you.

    I think I see this with both Jews pretending to gloat about world domination and Alt-righters pretending to be ready to put Jews in ovens. I think both sides are exaggerating their positions to antagonize the other, though there is a grain of truth to each. However, these exaggerations further push each side into an offended and defensive posture, leading to further escalation.
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  114. @O'Really
    This whole fauxtroversy is evidence that we're winning.

    That the media are falling back on their old point-and-sputter approach, immediately after the Gang of 6 "compromise" was shot down, reveals that they are back on their heels.

    They are lacking any effective counter-argument to the common sense proposals offered by the President on Tuesday, and it has even been a little embarrassing to watch the Dem spokesmen try to duck the security issue for the last 48 hours.

    The smart thing for Trump might be to say something twice as shocking tomorrow, and then again the next day. At some point the faux-outrage will be swamped like a Jewish politician on the streets of Chicago.

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  115. @Dmitry
    This kind of thing makes you appreciate Putin. He has an affinity for going on tangents. But imagine Putin, publicly undermining his own policy position like this (by apparently removing all filter between the brain and the mouth).

    The 'shithole' countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States - so doesn't cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists. While the Norwegians are not complimented, so much as laughing about it, and telling themselves 'why would we want to move to America when we have the highest quality of life here?'

    The answer to his question is ridiculously obvious. People usually move because their home countries suck. As a trend, people in poor countries, move to richer countries - not vice-versa. Norwegians are not moving, as their salary is higher in Norway than in the United States. If he wants to get a lot of Norwegians (the people of the country with the second highest per capita income in the world), the only way to get them to leave their home country in substantial numbers would probably be to impose a food blockade and blow up their offshore oil rigs.

    Putin would never get elected in the US though. Due to GOP incompetence they are performing poorly for 2018, ginning up the immigration is issue is the way to rectify thus, Trump probably made this point at the recent GOP bigwigs meeting.

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  116. @Mr. Blank
    I am probably among the most ardently philosemitic iSteve regulars, and Kristol and his ilk manage to tempt even me to join the Dark Side. Seriously, I wonder sometimes if it isn’t all just an elaborate act, a way of “owning the insult,” the same way an essentially privileged black guy like Ta-Nehisi Coates feels the need to channel low-class black thuggery as a way of “keepin’ it real.” It’s like Kristol et al feel the need to embody the stereotype of the slimy, conniving Jew, theatrically plotting to wipe out the goy, as their own version of “keepin’ it real.”

    Look, I get it: I’m a Southerner. I sometimes get a kick out of playing the violent, ill-educated stump-toothed redneck as a way of getting a rise out of people. I do this with my Yankee wife all the time. It’s fun.

    But come on. Even I am smart enough to drop the act when talking about serious issues with serious people. I get that Kristol probably doesn’t regard Trump as a serious person, and that’s fine, but plenty of regular people don’t share his view.

    Kristol et al might want to talk to some experienced Jewish comedians, who’d be happy to clue them in to a cardinal rule of public performance — not all material is appropriate for all audiences. There are certain jokes you only tell in front of certain people, because they’re the only ones who realize you are just joking.

    I wonder sometimes if it isn’t all just an elaborate act … [300 Words]

    Be careful with that Butterknife. ;)

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  117. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Paid Concern Troll
    “The issue is that there is nothing to benefit Trump (or people like us who support him), in his statements. “

    I share your concern.

    Yepper, all of you theologically-pure trumpkins are going to be so happy that you cared naught for optics these last few years when it was even remotely possible to change the course of events. Prattling on about overton windows shifting this way and that while a demographic door is being shut in your face, forever. Hope it was worth it.

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  118. @syonredux
    http://www.agestrad.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/idioma-noruego.jpg

    No fair posting pics from Lord of the Rings!

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  119. @istevefan

    Norway of course voted against us.
     
    This is somewhat related to why guys like whiskey denounced and jettisoned the only nationally known guy who has been warning America about our demographic doom for 25 years, Patrick Buchanan. It all came down to whose side he was on. And by side I don't mean America's.

    As someone who is basically pro-Israel, I have to reluctantly concede that Buchanan was mostly right about a lot of this stuff.

    When future historians write about our era, Pat Buchanan will probably loom quite large as a prophet without honor in his own land.

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  120. @Mike M.

    The defense rests. https://t.co/LtCq0rjsNp— Virginia Dare (@vdare) January 12, 2018
     

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ROFL!!!!

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  121. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I wonder sometimes if it isn’t all just an elaborate act … [300 Words]
     
    Be careful with that Butterknife. ;)

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    Sailer in 2015:

    About a decade ago, I coined the term Occam’s Butterknife to characterize the contemporary liberal insistence upon implausibly convoluted explanations.
     
    Not saying you’re liberal, but you gave a long, unconvincing explanation about how Kristol and Reich are probably joking. They’re not joking.
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  122. @Cloudbuster
    Tangentially related. I have to share what I was just bludgeoned with.

    I'm very, very used to being slammed over the head with leftism and anti-Americanism in TV and movies, and often I just grit my teeth and look past it, otherwise I'd never get to watch anything at all.

    But tonight, I encountered something so egregiously, hatefully anti-American and anti-Christian that it actually threw me. I simply had to stop the show and eject the DVD. I'll take it back tomorrow. I can't in good conscience watch a show made by people who think like this.

    American Gods. Season 1. Episode 6: A Murder of Gods.

    Now, six episodes in, the show was already obviously the typical diversity fest, and I didn't agree philosophically with the concept -- that Gods are created and fueled by the belief of humans. But that's a topic for another post. I read the novel years ago, so I was ready for that. But this episode. Wow.

    Each episode opens with a little "Coming to America" Vignette. In this one, illegals are crossing the Rio Grande in the middle of the night. One of the illegals can't swim well, and starts to drown. He's rescued by Mexican Jesus, literally walking on water, smiling beatifically. No sooner does Mexican Jesus get the guy across, than a bunch of white, redneck Christians pulls up in their trucks, with guns engraved with Bible verses, and massacres the defenseless illegals, including Mexican Jesus, clutching crosses while they fire their guns. Pretty heavy-handed, right? I nearly stopped right there.

    Well, about halfway through the episode our protagonists drive into the fictional town of Vulcan, VA, which sits in the shadow of the massive Vulcan ammunition plant. It looms over the town, belching smoke into the sky.

    Wednesday (in an ominous tone): "Welcome to Vulcan, Virginia."
    Shadow: "Where is everyone?"
    (Camera pans over a sign "NOTICE: Lawful concealed carry welcomed on these premises.")
    Wednesday: "Everyone in this particular town is a dedicated citizen. Dedicated to one sticky belief. America. (Camera pans past American flags on poles above the street) THEIR America."
    (Camera pans over citizens of the town wearing red Vulcan logo armbands and dark suits, obviously Nazi-inspired. Everyone is carrying rifles.)
    Wednesday: "There aren't just two Americas. Everyone looks at Lady Liberty and sees a different face."
    (Camera pans over more citizens, all carrying rifles, wearing dark outfits with the armbands. Even an old woman in a wheelchair with an American flag flying from it is carrying a rifle, staring suspiciously.)
    Wednesday: "Even if it crumbles under question."
    (This is about the time when I shut it off and ejected it in disgust. I had to put it back in to transcribe this.)
    Wednesday: "People will defend the warm, safe feeling their America gives them."
    (Camera pans over more Nazi-themed Americans)
    Wednesday: "They will defend it... with bullets."
    (Yes, more Nazi-themed Americans with rifles. Now including teenaged girls.)
    Wednesday: "No, these streets mean one of two things -- radiation or something like this here."
    Shadow: "A funeral?"
    Wednesday: "Less a funeral than a celebration of sacrifice."
    (Apparently the whole town turned out in their fascist regalia, with their guns, for the funeral)

    I should pause here to explain that a little earlier, we were shown a vignette of a manager at the ammo plant leaning against a faulty railing, which gives way. He falls into a vat of molten lead and is made into Vulcan ammunition. Yes. Seriously. That heavy-handed.

    Wednesday: "And if I know my friend, someone got tossed into the volcano."
    Shadow: "This was a human sacrifice?"
    Wednesday: "Faulty railings at the forge. Couple times a year, an employee takes the plunge. Insurance company says it's cheaper to settle than to close down and refurbish. As good as throwing them in intentionally."

    That's pretty much the whole leftist Hate America package rolled up in two scenes from one episode:
    1. Blessed illegal aliens
    2. Evil, white, Christian murdering gun-owners
    3. Evil, uncaring, death-dealing corporations
    4. Evil, small-town fascists
    5. Americans hate people who are different from them and will kill them (with bullets!)

    For fuck's sake. I'm embarrassed that some small portion of my small DVD rental price will go into the pockets of the people that made this.

    The worst thing is that the people who make/watch this probably pride themselves on being free-thinkers

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  123. @anon
    The ‘shithole’ countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States – so doesn’t cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists.

    He didn't say it to journalists, though. He said it in a meeting, and it was then leaked to journalists by the slimy Dick Durbin.

    And you know, if I was from Haiti, I wouldn't like to hear it either. But what bugs me is that these people are pretending that Democrats don't talk that way too. I can't imagine that they don't. I am about 99% certain that Democratic politicians refer to actual states within the United States itself as "shitholes". And even if they don't say it, I know, with every fiber of my being, that they think it.

    It just bugs me that they're not criticizing Trump because they think he's wrong, but because he used a term that they themselves use all the time.

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can't afford to say stuff like that, because it's going to be leaked. It's just the way it is.

    The outrage is fake, but he should still be more careful.

    Trump should know better than to speak the truth in front of political enemies (which includes half his own party). While it’s true, it’s also needlessly offensive – said shitholes are run by human beings who are likely to take offence, human nature being what it is.

    Trump should take a trip to East Oslo, by the way, the city is 30% minority, mainly Pakistani. With only 5.5 million people in the whole country Norwegians are an endangered species – though their language and the climate may help ward off UK-style demographic replacement outside the big city.

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  124. @Mr. Blank
    ?

    Sailer in 2015:

    About a decade ago, I coined the term Occam’s Butterknife to characterize the contemporary liberal insistence upon implausibly convoluted explanations.

    Not saying you’re liberal, but you gave a long, unconvincing explanation about how Kristol and Reich are probably joking. They’re not joking.

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  125. @Mr. Blank
    Yeesh. Why would that even be a question?

    Between Norway and Haiti, I’d pick Norway every time. And I’m someone who hates hates hates snow and cold weather and loves beaches and warm weather and sunshine.

    On the other hand: Beans and rice and meat patties, or…
    Lutefisk.

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  126. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "To the Nazi's..."

    There is not supposed to be an apostrophe here. It's plural, not possessive. I thought Reich was supposed to be a genius, so you think he'd know this. Or does he have minions who compose Tweets for him yet don't understand grammar?

    I mostly let typos slide, because people make mistakes all the time. But the odd thing about that apostrophe is that in order for it to be there, you have to want it to be there: you have to have arrived at Robert Reich’s station in life, at his age, without having absorbed the fundamental nature of the apostrophe.

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    Not to defend the dolt, but people 'deliberately' place apostrophes in the possessive form of its about 90% of the time now. Soon it will be accepted form, alas.
    , @ben tillman
    Some people think "Nazi" is an acronym, even if they don't use all caps.
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  127. @Anonymous

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can’t afford to say stuff like that, because it’s going to be leaked. It’s just the way it is.
     
    Good point, because no previous president ever used foul language.

    Or perhaps it's just that the entire Establishment is opposed to this one?

    Or perhaps it’s just that the entire Establishment is opposed to this one?

    Yep.

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  128. @slumber_j
    I mostly let typos slide, because people make mistakes all the time. But the odd thing about that apostrophe is that in order for it to be there, you have to want it to be there: you have to have arrived at Robert Reich's station in life, at his age, without having absorbed the fundamental nature of the apostrophe.

    Not to defend the dolt, but people ‘deliberately’ place apostrophes in the possessive form of its about 90% of the time now. Soon it will be accepted form, alas.

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  129. I don’t know about taking immigrants from Scandinavia. They’d likely just regift us with refugees. Notice Trump said Norway, because we saw what happened last night in Sweden.

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  130. @eah
    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/951592690872877056

    It’s way past time to put Jews on the spot about this — especially virtue-signalling, anti-white American Jews.

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  131. @eah
    It's way past time to put Jews on the spot about this -- especially virtue-signalling, anti-white American Jews.

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/951837006929285126

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  132. @eah
    In 2007, Iceland topped the list of nations ranked by Human Development Index.

    Iceland benefits greatly from hydroelectric and geothermal energy.

    Right, Haiti has no natural resources, anything like sugarcane, for instance, which they could turn to advantage.

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  133. @Cloudbuster
    Tangentially related. I have to share what I was just bludgeoned with.

    I'm very, very used to being slammed over the head with leftism and anti-Americanism in TV and movies, and often I just grit my teeth and look past it, otherwise I'd never get to watch anything at all.

    But tonight, I encountered something so egregiously, hatefully anti-American and anti-Christian that it actually threw me. I simply had to stop the show and eject the DVD. I'll take it back tomorrow. I can't in good conscience watch a show made by people who think like this.

    American Gods. Season 1. Episode 6: A Murder of Gods.

    Now, six episodes in, the show was already obviously the typical diversity fest, and I didn't agree philosophically with the concept -- that Gods are created and fueled by the belief of humans. But that's a topic for another post. I read the novel years ago, so I was ready for that. But this episode. Wow.

    Each episode opens with a little "Coming to America" Vignette. In this one, illegals are crossing the Rio Grande in the middle of the night. One of the illegals can't swim well, and starts to drown. He's rescued by Mexican Jesus, literally walking on water, smiling beatifically. No sooner does Mexican Jesus get the guy across, than a bunch of white, redneck Christians pulls up in their trucks, with guns engraved with Bible verses, and massacres the defenseless illegals, including Mexican Jesus, clutching crosses while they fire their guns. Pretty heavy-handed, right? I nearly stopped right there.

    Well, about halfway through the episode our protagonists drive into the fictional town of Vulcan, VA, which sits in the shadow of the massive Vulcan ammunition plant. It looms over the town, belching smoke into the sky.

    Wednesday (in an ominous tone): "Welcome to Vulcan, Virginia."
    Shadow: "Where is everyone?"
    (Camera pans over a sign "NOTICE: Lawful concealed carry welcomed on these premises.")
    Wednesday: "Everyone in this particular town is a dedicated citizen. Dedicated to one sticky belief. America. (Camera pans past American flags on poles above the street) THEIR America."
    (Camera pans over citizens of the town wearing red Vulcan logo armbands and dark suits, obviously Nazi-inspired. Everyone is carrying rifles.)
    Wednesday: "There aren't just two Americas. Everyone looks at Lady Liberty and sees a different face."
    (Camera pans over more citizens, all carrying rifles, wearing dark outfits with the armbands. Even an old woman in a wheelchair with an American flag flying from it is carrying a rifle, staring suspiciously.)
    Wednesday: "Even if it crumbles under question."
    (This is about the time when I shut it off and ejected it in disgust. I had to put it back in to transcribe this.)
    Wednesday: "People will defend the warm, safe feeling their America gives them."
    (Camera pans over more Nazi-themed Americans)
    Wednesday: "They will defend it... with bullets."
    (Yes, more Nazi-themed Americans with rifles. Now including teenaged girls.)
    Wednesday: "No, these streets mean one of two things -- radiation or something like this here."
    Shadow: "A funeral?"
    Wednesday: "Less a funeral than a celebration of sacrifice."
    (Apparently the whole town turned out in their fascist regalia, with their guns, for the funeral)

    I should pause here to explain that a little earlier, we were shown a vignette of a manager at the ammo plant leaning against a faulty railing, which gives way. He falls into a vat of molten lead and is made into Vulcan ammunition. Yes. Seriously. That heavy-handed.

    Wednesday: "And if I know my friend, someone got tossed into the volcano."
    Shadow: "This was a human sacrifice?"
    Wednesday: "Faulty railings at the forge. Couple times a year, an employee takes the plunge. Insurance company says it's cheaper to settle than to close down and refurbish. As good as throwing them in intentionally."

    That's pretty much the whole leftist Hate America package rolled up in two scenes from one episode:
    1. Blessed illegal aliens
    2. Evil, white, Christian murdering gun-owners
    3. Evil, uncaring, death-dealing corporations
    4. Evil, small-town fascists
    5. Americans hate people who are different from them and will kill them (with bullets!)

    For fuck's sake. I'm embarrassed that some small portion of my small DVD rental price will go into the pockets of the people that made this.

    Naturally they pick West Virginia as the capital of hate. Because the entertainment industry has no inhibitions about gratuitously insulting working class rural whites. Of course it’s an insult with a purpose, it’s propaganda that poor, rural white folk are no better than Nazis, and that eliminating them by enforced diversity is justifiable self-defense by the enlightened metro-left.

    Talk about hate speech. But SJWs always project.

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  134. @Anonymous
    The usual suspects are out in full force:

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951581959922184192

    https://twitter.com/joshchafetz/status/951621895769636864

    He read the Constitution, but he clearly didn’t understand it.

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  135. @anon
    The ‘shithole’ countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States – so doesn’t cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists.

    He didn't say it to journalists, though. He said it in a meeting, and it was then leaked to journalists by the slimy Dick Durbin.

    And you know, if I was from Haiti, I wouldn't like to hear it either. But what bugs me is that these people are pretending that Democrats don't talk that way too. I can't imagine that they don't. I am about 99% certain that Democratic politicians refer to actual states within the United States itself as "shitholes". And even if they don't say it, I know, with every fiber of my being, that they think it.

    It just bugs me that they're not criticizing Trump because they think he's wrong, but because he used a term that they themselves use all the time.

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can't afford to say stuff like that, because it's going to be leaked. It's just the way it is.

    The outrage is fake, but he should still be more careful.

    I approve of any and all Presidential profanity. Because otherwise I wouldn’t exist.

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  136. @eah
    In 2007, Iceland topped the list of nations ranked by Human Development Index.

    Iceland benefits greatly from hydroelectric and geothermal energy.

    And they’re so hyper-related to each other that they can check a register before getting married. All third-of-a-million of them.
    For an idea of how circumscribed that is, Northampton, the greatest town (it’s not a city) in England is just shy of a quarter-million, has produced merely one great thinker, and is astoundingly Vibrant these days.

    .. a search engine called Íslendingabók (the Book of Icelanders) allows users to plug in their own name alongside that of a prospective mate, determining any familial overlap. The site claims to track 1,200 years of genealogical information about the island’s inhabitants.

    Looks like a total absence of Diversity hasn’t done them any harm. For Shame!!

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  137. @Steve Sailer
    It's bizarre to realize that Haiti used to be adequate enough that Bill and Hillary Clinton honeymooned there.

    In high school I read Graham Greene's novel "The Comedians" about European ex-pats hanging out in Haiti.

    A honeymoon taken for the purpose of virtue-signalling doesn’t count.

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  138. @Anatoly Karlin
    Why would any real conservative prefer Norwegian socialists over Somali libertarians?

    “Why would any real conservative prefer Norwegian socialists over Somali libertarians?”

    Contrary to left/right fantasies in the US:

    The actual Somalian libertarians led the way in forming and continuing to liberalize secessionist stable democratic Somaliland and continue to oppose the Islamic dictators in Somalia.

    http://www.libertarianinternational.org/apps/blog/entries/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=Somalia

    The Norway libertarian Progress Party has 10% of local councils and 16% the legislature, is in the governing coalition, and created the national income from public resources funds. They hope to continue providing services with less taxes. It is of course reported as ‘crazy right wing’ by the US press. Judge their platform for yourself: https://www.frp.no/English

    Socialism is dying in Norway.

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  139. @S. Anonyia
    About like Ireland, which has a similar sized population. Still pretty nice.

    Iceland : 335,422 (8.3 vikings/sq.mile)

    Ireland : (4,725,392 + 1,876,695)=6,602,087 (173 leprechauns/sq.mile)

    Nearly 20 times the population. Population of Dublin City proper, 1,173,179. Iceland is not much bigger than Belfast City (295,000).

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  140. Haiti : 11,090,844 (1035 zombies/sq.mile)

    I wonder what sort of relationships factoring in latitude/insolation/temperature for all three would produce?

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  141. @Mr. Blank
    I am probably among the most ardently philosemitic iSteve regulars, and Kristol and his ilk manage to tempt even me to join the Dark Side. Seriously, I wonder sometimes if it isn’t all just an elaborate act, a way of “owning the insult,” the same way an essentially privileged black guy like Ta-Nehisi Coates feels the need to channel low-class black thuggery as a way of “keepin’ it real.” It’s like Kristol et al feel the need to embody the stereotype of the slimy, conniving Jew, theatrically plotting to wipe out the goy, as their own version of “keepin’ it real.”

    Look, I get it: I’m a Southerner. I sometimes get a kick out of playing the violent, ill-educated stump-toothed redneck as a way of getting a rise out of people. I do this with my Yankee wife all the time. It’s fun.

    But come on. Even I am smart enough to drop the act when talking about serious issues with serious people. I get that Kristol probably doesn’t regard Trump as a serious person, and that’s fine, but plenty of regular people don’t share his view.

    Kristol et al might want to talk to some experienced Jewish comedians, who’d be happy to clue them in to a cardinal rule of public performance — not all material is appropriate for all audiences. There are certain jokes you only tell in front of certain people, because they’re the only ones who realize you are just joking.

    I have been thinking the same thing. It can be fun to get a rise out of someone by pretending to confirm their fears of you.

    I think I see this with both Jews pretending to gloat about world domination and Alt-righters pretending to be ready to put Jews in ovens. I think both sides are exaggerating their positions to antagonize the other, though there is a grain of truth to each. However, these exaggerations further push each side into an offended and defensive posture, leading to further escalation.

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  142. @Whiskey
    Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII and that Hitler was the aggrieved party. That alone made him a toxic lunatic . He has consistently viewed any and US military power as original sin.

    Not many people like wearing hair shirts.

    I did not exile anyone out of public life. And I can assure you my views of Blacks, gays, women, and Muslims are even more toxic and repulsive to elites and Jane though not Joe Public than Pitchfork Pat. Difference is I know it.

    “Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII” – as, indeed, we should have. Why should we have sided with Stalin against Hitler?

    Buchanan is even more right that we should have sat out WWI – in which case there probably never would have been a WWII.

    “Hitler was the aggrieved party.”

    Buchanan neither says nor thinks that. If you can’t paraphrase him accurately, you should quote him, and take issue with what he’s actually written.

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    “Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII” – as, indeed, we should have. Why should we have sided with Stalin against Hitler?
     
    The British and the French should have sat out WW2.

    Buchanan is even more right that we should have sat out WWI – in which case there probably never would have been a WWII.
     
    Everyone should have sat out WW1. Although the Serbs did OK out of it. And quite a few politicians did well out of it.
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  143. @anon
    The ‘shithole’ countries suck up to the US diplomatically, which is probably their only use to the United States – so doesn’t cost anything to use tact when speaking about them to journalists.

    He didn't say it to journalists, though. He said it in a meeting, and it was then leaked to journalists by the slimy Dick Durbin.

    And you know, if I was from Haiti, I wouldn't like to hear it either. But what bugs me is that these people are pretending that Democrats don't talk that way too. I can't imagine that they don't. I am about 99% certain that Democratic politicians refer to actual states within the United States itself as "shitholes". And even if they don't say it, I know, with every fiber of my being, that they think it.

    It just bugs me that they're not criticizing Trump because they think he's wrong, but because he used a term that they themselves use all the time.

    Of course, Trump has to know that he can't afford to say stuff like that, because it's going to be leaked. It's just the way it is.

    The outrage is fake, but he should still be more careful.

    “He didn’t say it to journalists, though. He said it in a meeting, and it was then leaked to journalists by the slimy Dick Durbin.”

    Maybe Trump will learn from this that Dick Durbin should be excluded from all future meetings with him, no matter how “bi-partisan?”

    I mean, if Durbin had any real interest in a deal, why did he leak this?

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  144. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    I too wondered whether the tweeter @RBReich is the same
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich
    who was Secretary of Labor and has "published" 14 books. Could such a man really think that "Nazis" is spelled with an apostrophe?

    I think it’s the spell checkers.

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  145. @anony-mouse
    Er, and how is Trumps Mexican wall going to stop people from shitholes like Haiti from coming into the US like he says he wants? I wonder if Stable Genius has any geographical sense.

    There are currently thousands of Haitians on the Mexican side of the border waiting to get into the USA. There are so many they’re calling the areas little Haiti. Evidently our brutal immigration system is preventing us from being enriched by this Haitian rapper.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/some-haitian-migrants-stranded-in-mexico-put-down-roots/4058354.html

    Pierre Lumps Benoit wasn’t planning to end his northward trek from Brazil here in the border town of Mexicali last November. The young Haitian man had set his sights on a music career in the United States, but U.S. immigration officials at the southern border deemed otherwise.

    So, Benoit shifted his focus. He found a place where he and his wife could live and a job managing the Jaguar nightclub. Better known as a musician named Woldo, he anticipates having a signing party there “soon,” when he releases his first CD. It’s called “My Dream.”

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  146. Robert Reich — Third Reich

    Connection?

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  147. @anon

    Obviously, Nazism is in Norwegians’ blood. You can tell just by looking at them.
     
    What I find most revealing about all of this is that so many Africans have turned out to be big fans of Nazism. I mean, they risk their lives by the thousands, trying to get to Nazi countries like Norway in stupid inflatable rafts, to hang out with all the Nazis.

    You don't really see much traffic the other way.

    It's the only explanation that makes any sense.

    Hitler was a big fan of Islam.

    Nazi recruitment posters often showed Norwegians as dark-skinned Vikings:

    And we already know that Africans are down with the raping-and-pillaging mentality.

    So maybe they’re a good fit after all.

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  148. @eah
    It’s the #1 ranked country on the Human Development Index:...

    Where would it be if it did not have all that North Sea oil and a small population?

    Where would it be if it did not have all that North Sea oil…?

    If it wasn’t for the Earth’s natural resources, whitey would be just as poor as the black man.

    Troll “A” Gas Platform: Skyscraper At Sea

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  149. @SteveRogers42
    Well, we could re-designate Coast Guard cutters as "Mexican Wall Ships"...In order to get to us, they'll have to get through them.

    http://www.military.com/video/forces/navy/americas-navy-the-shield/3951098519001

    But how is the Coast Guard going to stop Mexicans crossing the border?

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  150. @eah
    In 2007, Iceland topped the list of nations ranked by Human Development Index.

    Iceland benefits greatly from hydroelectric and geothermal energy.

    Iceland benefits greatly from hydroelectric and geothermal energy

    Whitey stole those rivers and volcanoes from Africa.

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  151. @slumber_j
    I mostly let typos slide, because people make mistakes all the time. But the odd thing about that apostrophe is that in order for it to be there, you have to want it to be there: you have to have arrived at Robert Reich's station in life, at his age, without having absorbed the fundamental nature of the apostrophe.

    Some people think “Nazi” is an acronym, even if they don’t use all caps.

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  152. @anon
    Or perhaps it’s just that the entire Establishment is opposed to this one?

    Yep.

    Indeed.

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  153. @Vinteuil
    "Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII" - as, indeed, we should have. Why should we have sided with Stalin against Hitler?

    Buchanan is even more right that we should have sat out WWI - in which case there probably never would have been a WWII.

    "Hitler was the aggrieved party."

    Buchanan neither says nor thinks that. If you can't paraphrase him accurately, you should quote him, and take issue with what he's actually written.

    “Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII” – as, indeed, we should have. Why should we have sided with Stalin against Hitler?

    The British and the French should have sat out WW2.

    Buchanan is even more right that we should have sat out WWI – in which case there probably never would have been a WWII.

    Everyone should have sat out WW1. Although the Serbs did OK out of it. And quite a few politicians did well out of it.

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    Serbia was wrecked, and a few decades later they got a Croat commie dictator. I guess as communist dictators go he wasn't all that bad, though; they might well have gotten someone worse.
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  154. @Dmitry
    If Kristol or Reich cared about Israel - they would (at least publicly) be the biggest Trump cheerleaders in the world. (They would still laugh about him in a snobby way in private, but they would be cheering him in public and praying he wins another presidential term, as he has so far been the most pro-Israel president in history.)

    It’s ridiculous to suggest that Bill Kristol and Robert Reich are not fanatically pro-Israel.

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    In words, but in actions - it is clearly low down the list of priorities. Remember Kristol's choice for president in 2016 was Jim Mattis - whose only public stance on Israel prior to 2016 had been a negative one, criticizing Israel. While Trump has had a 40 year history of donating to Israeli charities - and has now had a first year in office as the most pro-Israel president we've seen. If being pro-Israel is one's foremost political priority, you would now be praying Trump wins in 2020.
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  155. Rivendell.

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  156. @dfordoom

    “Pat Buchanan figures the US should have sat out WWII” – as, indeed, we should have. Why should we have sided with Stalin against Hitler?
     
    The British and the French should have sat out WW2.

    Buchanan is even more right that we should have sat out WWI – in which case there probably never would have been a WWII.
     
    Everyone should have sat out WW1. Although the Serbs did OK out of it. And quite a few politicians did well out of it.

    Serbia was wrecked, and a few decades later they got a Croat commie dictator. I guess as communist dictators go he wasn’t all that bad, though; they might well have gotten someone worse.

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  157. @ATBOTL
    It's ridiculous to suggest that Bill Kristol and Robert Reich are not fanatically pro-Israel.

    In words, but in actions – it is clearly low down the list of priorities. Remember Kristol’s choice for president in 2016 was Jim Mattis – whose only public stance on Israel prior to 2016 had been a negative one, criticizing Israel. While Trump has had a 40 year history of donating to Israeli charities – and has now had a first year in office as the most pro-Israel president we’ve seen. If being pro-Israel is one’s foremost political priority, you would now be praying Trump wins in 2020.

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  158. @Steve Sailer
    It's bizarre to realize that Haiti used to be adequate enough that Bill and Hillary Clinton honeymooned there.

    In high school I read Graham Greene's novel "The Comedians" about European ex-pats hanging out in Haiti.

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