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Best Picture nominees:

Call Me By Your Name
Darkest Hour
Dunkirk
Get Out
Lady Bird
Phantom Thread
The Post
The Shape of Water
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

Of the six Best Picture nominees I’ve seen, I’d rank Dunkirk first, with other 5 (Get Out, Phantom Thread, The Post, Shape of Water, Three Billboards) all being pretty good but not of Dunkirk’s caliber.

Of the three I haven’t seen, Greta Gerwig’s Lady Bird sounds most promising. Her boyfriend is the excellent Noah Baumbach, whose straight to Netflix movie The Meyerwitz (sp?) Chronicles looked quite good from the part I saw, especially Adam Sandler, whose performance in the opening ten minutes in which he drives around a New York block looking for a parking place was outstanding. (Seriously, Sandler was great driving around the block.)

Guillermo del Toro’s The Shape of Water led with 13 nominations. It has a lot going for it, but does it ever have the most on-the-nose hate whitey Coalition of the Fringes screenplay. It makes Get Out seems like Training Day by comparison. It’s pretty embarrassing. So it will probably win best picture.

Some people are starting to notice that Ebbing, Missouri isn’t really as hate whitey as they at first assumed, which bodes ill for it in the second round voting.

The Phantom Thread is a classy period piece from Paul Thomas Anderson with the great Daniel Day-Lewis as a 1950s couture designer. Since it did well in the nominations, I’ll have to write up my review. So far nobody is denouncing it for its lack of diversity (except for the Porfirio Rubirosa Dominican playboy character who is marrying the designer’s richest client) or for straightwashing fashion designers. But just you wait.

Among animated films, I liked all three nominated films I’ve seen: Coco, Ferdinand, and The Boss Baby.

 
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  1. BenKenobi says:

    Black Panther: Best Documentary

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    That will have to wait for next year since it hasn't been released yet. It probably will get some nominations for political correctness reasons.
    , @syonredux

    Black Panther: Best Documentary
     
    Yeah, bigots. This is what an Africa untainted by Europeans would look like:

    http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Wakanda.jpg
    , @Truth
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  2. Mr. Anon says:

    They should have a special category for “Best performance by an actor who was brought in at the last minute to replace another actor who was unpersonned”. It would of course go to Christopher Plummer for taking over Kevin Spacey’s role in All the Money in the World.

    By the way, if Call Me by Your Name wins, Spacey should present the award.

    I hope their audience share plummets. Hollywood has become insufferable due to their political hectoring, let alone their months-long circle-jerk of award ceremonies. A pox on all of them.

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  3. Barnard says:
    @BenKenobi
    Black Panther: Best Documentary

    That will have to wait for next year since it hasn’t been released yet. It probably will get some nominations for political correctness reasons.

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  4. Call Me by Your Name (film)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_by_Your_Name_(film)

    QUOTE:
    Elio and Oliver begin to spend time with each other, and a seductive courtship emerges—they swim together, go for long walks in the town, and accompany Elio’s father on an archaeological trip. Although Elio begins a sexual relationship with Marzia and brags about it in front of Oliver to gauge his reaction, he increasingly finds himself attracted to Oliver. He sneaks into Oliver’s room to smell his bathing suit and thinks about him while masturbating. During a trip to the post office, Elio subtly confesses his feelings to Oliver, who gently tells him that he should not act on them. When they go swimming one day, Elio kisses Oliver on the lips. Oliver returns the kiss but is reluctant to go further. The pair subsequently grow distant during the next few days.

    In response to a note from Elio, Oliver leaves a note on Elio’s desk telling Elio to meet him at midnight. Elio spends the day with Marzia, all the while longing to see Oliver. Finally, at midnight, he approaches Oliver on the patio. The two make love for the first time. During the next few days, they grow closer, having sex frequently while keeping their relationship secret. In bed, Oliver tells Elio, “Call me by your name and I’ll call you by mine”. They become more intimate both physically and emotionally. On one occasion, Elio ejaculates into a peach that he has split open, and when Oliver discovers it, he tries to take a bite of the peach in front of a humiliated Elio. Completely smitten with Oliver by this point, Elio starts avoiding Marzia.
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    Yuck. I hope it wins Best Picture, though.

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    • Replies: @peterike

    Call Me by Your Name (film)....

     

    What that entire Wikipedia entry fails to mention is that the gay lover characters in the film are Jewish.
    , @J.Ross
    I honestly enjoyed Dykes To Watch Out For, it's objectively well-written and well-designed if facile in its conclusions, so when Dykes creatrix Alison Bechtel endorsed a gay comic called The Curbside Boys I bought it expecting something like Dykes. But the Boys are not Dykes. The Dykes actually do things in their lives (like Mo's crusade against Barnes and Noble's) and have extensive political opinions. The Boys' every episode was
    gay guy 1 hooks up with gay guy 2
    gay guy 3 remarks upon how noteworthy this is (this is the "punch line")
    even though it's the only god-damned thing that ever happens in their literally navel-gazing little rut.
    So yeah it sounds like this flick is gays wishing their romantic pursuits were as complicated as those of straights.
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  5. The Z Blog says: • Website

    I watched Get Out off the Kodi machine last year. I was in the mood to be offended, but instead I laughed at the unintentional humor. Living around lots of blacks, I know they really believe in evil spirits and mysterious forces shaping reality. They really do think whites meet secretly to plot against black bodies.

    I also think the makers of the film sort of get that, so there was a fair bit of wink-wink stuff in it. Still, most blacks surely saw it as a horror movie, which I found humorous. That said, it was also a great send up of white liberals, which I doubt most white liberals understand. Blacks have no respect for race cucks.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    "Blacks have no respect for race cucks."

    What amazes is that the latter...just...doesn't...get it. Probably a by-product of terminal narcissism, poor chaps.
    , @Twodees Partain
    I haven't seen it, but I thought it was a story about a white girl bringing her black boyfriend home with her. I didn't know why it would take an entire movie to show her dad telling him to GTFO.
    , @CrunchyButRealistCon
    Comparing iSteve's review of Get Out with this lulz review on Heartiste's Gab t/l made for a few chuckles. You seem to be of similar mind...I'll have to check it out, with expectations set to 2/10.

    https://gab.ai/NickKrauser/posts/18519380
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  6. syonredux says:
    @BenKenobi
    Black Panther: Best Documentary

    Black Panther: Best Documentary

    Yeah, bigots. This is what an Africa untainted by Europeans would look like:

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    "Yeah, bigots. This is what an Africa untainted by Europeans would look like...."
     
    What, the favelas in the background?
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  7. I hope Get Out wins

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  8. Kirt says:

    Of the nominated films, I saw only Dunkirk and it was an often losing struggle to even stay awake. If all the others are worse, then Hollywood is headed for the dust bin of history for sure. But at least they didn’t nominate Hostiles.

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    • Replies: @PerezHBD
    I also struggled to stay awake during Dunkirk. Would be a shame if Nolan finally won an Oscar for what is probably his weakest film outside the Batman series. Three Billboards was an interesting film. Trailer made it look horrible but it isn't representative of the movie at all. Lady Bird was a more conventional film (reminded me of Little Miss Sunshine or Juno) but was well executed. Call Me By Your Name is all about the bucolic setting and stunning cinematography. Not much to it, but very pretty. Get Out is just a standard horror flick. I found it vastly inferior to horror flicks that didn't even get a whiff of an Oscar nomination such as Scream or You're Next and I think enough time has passed that white liberals have kind of caught on to the fact that the film is parodying them an actual black perspective rather than a SJW black perspective and for that reason it won't steal the win from a more deserving movie. The Post was insufferable. Haven't seen Phantom Thread.

    Unless Phantom Thread is amazing, I think Three Billboards will win.
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  9. Lady Bird great coming-of-age movie(more than that really).
    Absolutely authentic.
    Touching.
    Very funny.
    Not overdone, even for a scene.
    Great performance by Saoirse Ronan.
    Best movie I have seen since Birdman.

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    Nice summary. Thanks. But I heard from reliable sources that bird man was terrible...
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  10. anon • Disclaimer says:

    It makes Get Out seems like Training Day by comparison. It’s pretty embarrassing. So it will probably win best picture.

    I would have thought Get Out at first, but they did the black thing last year. Plus, the whole Dreamers thing is going to be the big news when the Oscars happen, so yeah. It’ll be the Mexican. The fat, white Mexican who looks a little like Rob Reiner.

    And then we’ll get to hear speeches about how, if we don’t bring in every other Mexican, we’ll never get another re-make of Creature From The Black Lagoon, and then where would we be? It’ll be a nice break from all the speeches berating men for sexual harassment, from women who knew about sexual harassment in their own industry for years, and did nothing.

    Good thing for me that I have my DVD box set of Matlock instead.

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  11. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Will Paul Walker finally get the posthumous lifetime achievement Oscar he earned?!?

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  12. ATate says:

    I actually liked Lady Bird as well, watched it right after we watched The Florida Project (Jesus what a depressing movie that was). I’d recommend Lady Bird, there were some funny moments in it.

    I enjoyed Dunkirk. But I’d rather have watched an entire movie about the Battle of Britain with the Spitfires and Tom Hardy in it.

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  13. Immigrants galore next season on TV:

    With seven projects featuring immigrants as lead characters — and their issues in front-and-center story lines — there’s a chance next TV season will offer viewers a closer look at corners of the country, and the people who live in them, that remain unfamiliar to many Americans.

    http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/immigrant-stories-could-be-fall-tvs-biggest-trend.html

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    • Replies: @Thea
    I suspect the lives of heritage Americans remain unfamiliar to our new"Americans."

    Really I doubt anyone in this country is unfamiliar with Latin American culture now. Whether we want to be or not.

    , @Bleuteaux
    Yup. That's me. "Unfamiliar."

    The Fortune 500 company where I work, in bumblefart nowhere, is at least a 20% native Indian. When I'm not at work, I go home to an apartment complex that is well over half Indian. The places of worship I've attended in this area are dominated by Hispanics. (By my count, probably three are totally Hispanic.) Getting groceries is like visiting the U.N. I'm even seeing black Muslims with headscarves walking through town. All this wonderful vibrancy in a middle of nowhere part of the Midwest.

    What is this guy talking about?
    , @Tom-in-VA
    Not content with destroying the movie industry, SJWs now set their sights on TV.
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  14. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog
    I watched Get Out off the Kodi machine last year. I was in the mood to be offended, but instead I laughed at the unintentional humor. Living around lots of blacks, I know they really believe in evil spirits and mysterious forces shaping reality. They really do think whites meet secretly to plot against black bodies.

    I also think the makers of the film sort of get that, so there was a fair bit of wink-wink stuff in it. Still, most blacks surely saw it as a horror movie, which I found humorous. That said, it was also a great send up of white liberals, which I doubt most white liberals understand. Blacks have no respect for race cucks.

    “Blacks have no respect for race cucks.”

    What amazes is that the latter…just…doesn’t…get it. Probably a by-product of terminal narcissism, poor chaps.

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  15. donut says:

    I haven’t seen any of the nominated movies . I went to see “I, Tanya” on Sunday liked it a lot , surprised it didn’t get a nomination .

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    Yes, I Tonya got some pretty big nominations like Best Editing but missed out on Best Picture.
    , @jim jones
    I started to watch I Tonya but the people were so hideous I had to give up
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  16. anon • Disclaimer says:

    It’s fun going on Twitter and watching all the minorities react to these nominations by either a) bragging about how many awards minorities were nominated for, or b) complaining that they weren’t nominated for more.

    Do they really just not get that they’re only getting these awards for being black? Like, did they think it was just a coincidence that last year’s Best Picture went to The Gay Black Movie, at the exact point that being a gay black guy was the trendiest thing in the world?

    I remember a joke I made on Twitter last year when they were getting ready to announce the nominees. I asked if we could just skip the nominations and the award ceremonies and just give the Oscar to whichever one was about a gay black guy. I didn’t even know there was a movie about a gay black guy at the time. I was just making a joke, but I still ended up being right.

    It’s kind of weird to see so many people that just can’t figure this out. It must be magical to go through life like that, in a way. It’s like, you’d be in a constant state of surprise and wonder at the most obvious things.

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    at the exact point that being a gay black guy was the trendiest thing in the world
     
    Peak gay black guy was a few years ago. Nowadays you have to be a trannie or you're not really in the runnning.
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  17. @donut
    I haven't seen any of the nominated movies . I went to see "I, Tanya" on Sunday liked it a lot , surprised it didn't get a nomination .

    Yes, I Tonya got some pretty big nominations like Best Editing but missed out on Best Picture.

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  18. syonredux says:

    Call Me By Your Name
    Darkest Hour
    Dunkirk
    Get Out
    Lady Bird
    Phantom Thread
    The Post
    The Shape of Water
    Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

    Seen ‘em all except for The Post (looks too “journalists are great” for my tastes) and Darkest Hour (I’m officially Churchilled-out; one of the things that I really liked about Dunkirk is that it had zero Churchill. Even the “fight them on the beaches speech” was read by somebody else) .

    My vote for best picture: Dunkirk.

    What will probably win: I think that Dunkirk‘s got a pretty good shot, being both worthy and popular.

    Least deserving nominee: Finally saw The Shape of Water. Pretty to look at but utterly brainless. At least Get Out had a few interesting observations in the DR3 vein. Plus, it also had some funny bits:

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    Whoops. I also haven't seen Call Me By Your Name.
    , @donut
    "Even the “fight them on the beaches speech” was read by somebody else) " . I read someplace that he didn't read that speech in fact . I can't find the place I read it but this from Wikipedia : "Unlike his subsequent This was their finest hour speech, Churchill's 4 June speech in the House of Commons was not repeated by him as a live radio broadcast that evening. Rather, as with his earlier Blood, toil, tears, and sweat speech, extracts were read by the newsreader on that evening's BBC news broadcast."
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  19. syonredux says:

    jPod has an…interesting..take on The Shape of Water

    What’s great about The Shape of Water is that Julius Rosenberg helps save an innocent sea god from the FBI (which was bad then even though it’s heroic now)

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    What's great about The Shape of Water is that Julius Rosenberg helps save an innocent sea god from the FBI (which was bad then even though it's heroic now)
     
    Now that is what you call "evidence of a high verbal IQ".
    , @guest
    Is that an anti-semitic parody account?
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  20. Thea says:
    @Stephen Marle
    Immigrants galore next season on TV:

    With seven projects featuring immigrants as lead characters — and their issues in front-and-center story lines — there’s a chance next TV season will offer viewers a closer look at corners of the country, and the people who live in them, that remain unfamiliar to many Americans.
     
    http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/immigrant-stories-could-be-fall-tvs-biggest-trend.html

    I suspect the lives of heritage Americans remain unfamiliar to our new”Americans.”

    Really I doubt anyone in this country is unfamiliar with Latin American culture now. Whether we want to be or not.

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  21. Tiny Duck says:

    Get Out is the obvious winner. Impeccable horror/comedy but with a brilliant social commentary on the evils of white privilege and oppression

    Hopefully the academys racism will not steal a win from Get Out

    Dunkirk was a white racists dreamscape. Nothing more nothing less

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    Get Out is the obvious winner. Impeccable horror/comedy but with a brilliant social commentary on the evils of white privilege and oppression

    Weird how a guy as oppressed as that was able to get his movie released by a major film studio. Why didn't they shut him down when they found out he was going to expose their racism and oppression?
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  22. It would be nice to see DDL win his 4th best actor award, but I doubt they’ll give it to him, if for no other reason that they want a woman (K Hepburn) to keep the record for most Oscar wins for acting.

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  23. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    jPod has an...interesting..take on The Shape of Water

    What's great about The Shape of Water is that Julius Rosenberg helps save an innocent sea god from the FBI (which was bad then even though it's heroic now)
     
    https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/955825867493605376

    What’s great about The Shape of Water is that Julius Rosenberg helps save an innocent sea god from the FBI (which was bad then even though it’s heroic now)

    Now that is what you call “evidence of a high verbal IQ”.

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  24. jJay says:

    “The Diary of Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”. It went right to streaming. It’s pitch perfect 12yo boy humor and much better than the other Wimpy Kid movies. The Long Haul avoids the ‘coming of age’ problem: noticing girls. That subject has been beaten to death. It’s well written and mostly well acted with fart jokes across a low-budget vacation story line.

    I thought is was refreshing for the absence of any political message. These days you are supposed to be politically woke at age 8 and stay at home with your mom and dad until you are 26. There is no room for normal 12 yo boys in that situation.

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    “The Diary of Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”. It went right to streaming. It’s pitch perfect 12yo boy humor and much better than the other Wimpy Kid movies.
     
    I saw the first half of this with my kids, but we left because we were all bored. The only reason the m0vie is probably good for 12-year-old boys was that it appeared to be scripted and directed by 12-year-old boys.

    We quite enjoyed The Greatest Showman, a musical very loosely based on part of the career of PT Barnum. Like most movies these days it was full of political correction and the plot was nonsense, but the production values and camerawork were good and the song and dance numbers impressive. There was also a good fire scene. Zac Efron, however, has gotten rather fat.
    , @MBlanc46
    It doesn’t appear that there’s room for normal 12 year old boys in any situation in the 21st century West.
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  25. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Get Out is the obvious winner. Impeccable horror/comedy but with a brilliant social commentary on the evils of white privilege and oppression

    Hopefully the academys racism will not steal a win from Get Out

    Dunkirk was a white racists dreamscape. Nothing more nothing less

    Get Out is the obvious winner. Impeccable horror/comedy but with a brilliant social commentary on the evils of white privilege and oppression

    Weird how a guy as oppressed as that was able to get his movie released by a major film studio. Why didn’t they shut him down when they found out he was going to expose their racism and oppression?

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  26. Jack D says:

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.

    Shape of Water: “Elisa Esposito was rendered mute by a neck injury she sustained as an infant, and communicates using sign language. Living alone in an apartment above a movie theater, she works as a janitor at a secret government laboratory in Baltimore during the Cold War in the early 1960s. Her two closest friends are her next door neighbor, Giles, who is an artist and closeted gay man, and Zelda, an African-American woman co-worker, who also serves as her interpreter at work.” A Coalition of the Fringes trifecta!

    Call Me By Your Name – 2 gay guys make out with each other.

    3 Billboards – evil white men rape and kill women.

    Get Out – evil white people steal the souls of black people.

    The Post – Republicans are to blame even if Vietnam was a Democrat war.

    We are really screwed.

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    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.
     
    Well considering there is photographic proof of it, I have to wonder how hard you looked.


    https://www.gettyimages.com/license/613493858

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3706936/dunkirk-battle-evacuation-when-movie/
    , @Wilkey
    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way.

    Well if you didn't sit through it all the way that explains why you didn't like it. Dunkirk is a movie that truly comes together at the end, and there's a big payoff for your patience.

    I have yet to see most of the other Best Picture nominees, including The Post, so I don't know how it compares, but Dunkirk is damn fine. It's big problem is that it's nearly all white (I think there was a black French soldier in there somewhere) and nearly all male. With Weinsteingate still going and the Left still in a tantrum over Trump it's easy to see a 99% white male World War II movie that doesn't once mention Jews getting shut out.

    Dunkirk: a movie with no blacks, no women, and no Jews celebrating the courage of white Christian Anglo-Saxon men.

    The Post: a movie with a Jewish director and a female, half-Jewish protagonist celebrating a newspaper taking on a Republican president (though the expose is mostly about shit that predated Richard Nixon).

    Ergo: my money is on The Post. I wouldn't be shocked, though, if a lot of Brits took Dunkirk's defeat at the Oscars a bit personally, though - and they should.
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  27. Jack D says:
    @anon
    It's fun going on Twitter and watching all the minorities react to these nominations by either a) bragging about how many awards minorities were nominated for, or b) complaining that they weren't nominated for more.

    Do they really just not get that they're only getting these awards for being black? Like, did they think it was just a coincidence that last year's Best Picture went to The Gay Black Movie, at the exact point that being a gay black guy was the trendiest thing in the world?

    I remember a joke I made on Twitter last year when they were getting ready to announce the nominees. I asked if we could just skip the nominations and the award ceremonies and just give the Oscar to whichever one was about a gay black guy. I didn't even know there was a movie about a gay black guy at the time. I was just making a joke, but I still ended up being right.

    It's kind of weird to see so many people that just can't figure this out. It must be magical to go through life like that, in a way. It's like, you'd be in a constant state of surprise and wonder at the most obvious things.

    at the exact point that being a gay black guy was the trendiest thing in the world

    Peak gay black guy was a few years ago. Nowadays you have to be a trannie or you’re not really in the runnning.

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    NPR around that time reviewed a film about indigent young autistic gay black Muslim drug dealers. No, seriously, this exists. The reviewer absolutely loved it. I wonder what the filmmakers had against vegetarians.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.
     
    That's what happens when you don't have adequate fighter cover. As was explained by one of the characters, the British fighters were being held back for the upcoming Battle of Britain, when, if the Germans attempted an invasion, the sitting ducks would be the German forces trying to cross the English Channel. Much of the action was on the front lines, where rearguard units were ordered to fight to the last man and many took 90+% casualties. Why Nolan chose not to depict those engagements at all is a inexplicable to me. It would certainly have mitigated some of the boredom, since the movie never made clear that the principal danger to the retreating troops wasn't German subs or aircraft, but the German army pressing on them just beyond the beaches of Dunkirk.
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  28. Bleuteaux says:
    @Stephen Marle
    Immigrants galore next season on TV:

    With seven projects featuring immigrants as lead characters — and their issues in front-and-center story lines — there’s a chance next TV season will offer viewers a closer look at corners of the country, and the people who live in them, that remain unfamiliar to many Americans.
     
    http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/immigrant-stories-could-be-fall-tvs-biggest-trend.html

    Yup. That’s me. “Unfamiliar.”

    The Fortune 500 company where I work, in bumblefart nowhere, is at least a 20% native Indian. When I’m not at work, I go home to an apartment complex that is well over half Indian. The places of worship I’ve attended in this area are dominated by Hispanics. (By my count, probably three are totally Hispanic.) Getting groceries is like visiting the U.N. I’m even seeing black Muslims with headscarves walking through town. All this wonderful vibrancy in a middle of nowhere part of the Midwest.

    What is this guy talking about?

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  29. OT: Schumer withdraws offer on Trump’s wall

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/chuck-schumer-trump-wall-offer-359156

    Feb 8th, new shutdown. For those government officials here, Rise and Fall comes out then too, so you get to have time to play it!

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    OT: Schumer withdraws offer on Trump’s wall

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/chuck-schumer-trump-wall-offer-359156

    Feb 8th, new shutdown. For those government officials here, Rise and Fall comes out then too, so you get to have time to play it!
     
    Hopefully Trump will play this out all the way to election day.
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  30. syonredux says:
    @syonredux
    Call Me By Your Name
    Darkest Hour
    Dunkirk
    Get Out
    Lady Bird
    Phantom Thread
    The Post
    The Shape of Water
    Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

    Seen 'em all except for The Post (looks too "journalists are great" for my tastes) and Darkest Hour (I'm officially Churchilled-out; one of the things that I really liked about Dunkirk is that it had zero Churchill. Even the "fight them on the beaches speech" was read by somebody else) .

    My vote for best picture: Dunkirk.

    What will probably win: I think that Dunkirk's got a pretty good shot, being both worthy and popular.

    Least deserving nominee: Finally saw The Shape of Water. Pretty to look at but utterly brainless. At least Get Out had a few interesting observations in the DR3 vein. Plus, it also had some funny bits:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH0jBS408eo

    Whoops. I also haven’t seen Call Me By Your Name.

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    My phone is rebelling again and I can’t access it, is “Phantom Thread” like an “Open Thread”?

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  32. Isn’t it somewhat cuckish to watch and try to enjoy movies made by people who hate your guts? When they stop hating my guts, maybe I can watch new movies again. Right now, movies are dead to me.

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    I'm okay with movies from different and even hostile viewpoints, my problem is the absolutely solid uniformity of that hostile viewpoint across the whole field.
    , @Danindc
    Yes, good point. But what will get us through the days?? And don’t say spending time with the family. I tried that.
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  33. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    at the exact point that being a gay black guy was the trendiest thing in the world
     
    Peak gay black guy was a few years ago. Nowadays you have to be a trannie or you're not really in the runnning.

    NPR around that time reviewed a film about indigent young autistic gay black Muslim drug dealers. No, seriously, this exists. The reviewer absolutely loved it. I wonder what the filmmakers had against vegetarians.

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  34. Bone Tomahawk director and writer Craig Zahler has a new movie starring Vince Vaughn in which Vaughn’s character uses the word SHITHOLE. This further reinforces the widely-held belief that President Trump has an amazing ability to perfectly sense the cultural and political atmosphere in the United States.

    Vince Vaughn is in the new movie Brawl In Cell Block 99

    President Trump’s alleged use of the word SHITHOLE to describe certain Third World countries was a lightning rod that set off big political fireworks. Trump is Tesla with words.

    Vince Vaughn character:

    “No I’m gonna drive packages for a friend. I want us in a better home than this SHITHOLE.”

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    Bone Tomahawk director and writer Craig Zahler has a new movie starring Vince Vaughn in which Vaughn’s character uses the word SHITHOLE.
     
    Bone Tomahawk was a pretty good horror Western. My only real complaint involves Lili Simmons' performance as the lady doctor. Whereas everybody else (Kurt Russell, Patrick Wilson, Richard Jenkins, Mathew Fox, etc) seemed period appropriate, Simmons acted as though her character just sauntered in from contemporary Malibu.
    , @Anon87
    Loved this movie. Slower paced like Bone Tomahawk, but the violence also explodes in the second half. Can't wait for his next one with mad Mel.
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  35. J.Ross says: • Website

    This is objective nonsense. It’s not just me disliking these movies. Guillermo del Toro is an inferior Tarentino, a competant pulpster who sometimes can crank out fun pseudo-dark adventure porn. The idea that anything he ever did or ever will do could be the best motion picture of the year is silly. It’s like devoting analytical time to the filmography of Don Knotts. Get Out was a one note horror comedy by the Tim Meadows of the moment: if it were much more interesting and well made than it was it would not be in the running for the best movie made in its year. You get the feeling that these people studied and loved Eisenstein without ever picking up on the fact the he was making state propaganda. I put forward as real best picture that Chinese one with Jet Li: if we have to have government propaganda, let’s have something competantly made, commercially successful, surprisingly objective and intelligent, and not stinking of death.

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  36. Barnard says:
    @Jack D
    Dunkirk - so boring that I couldn't sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don't resemble any actual military history that I'm familiar with.

    Shape of Water: "Elisa Esposito was rendered mute by a neck injury she sustained as an infant, and communicates using sign language. Living alone in an apartment above a movie theater, she works as a janitor at a secret government laboratory in Baltimore during the Cold War in the early 1960s. Her two closest friends are her next door neighbor, Giles, who is an artist and closeted gay man, and Zelda, an African-American woman co-worker, who also serves as her interpreter at work." A Coalition of the Fringes trifecta!

    Call Me By Your Name - 2 gay guys make out with each other.

    3 Billboards - evil white men rape and kill women.

    Get Out - evil white people steal the souls of black people.

    The Post - Republicans are to blame even if Vietnam was a Democrat war.


    We are really screwed.

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.

    Well considering there is photographic proof of it, I have to wonder how hard you looked.

    https://www.gettyimages.com/license/613493858

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3706936/dunkirk-battle-evacuation-when-movie/

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    Over 330,000 troops escaped from Dunkirk and the British dead on the beach and in the water were estimated at 3,500 so 99/100 made it out alive. Some German strafing did happen but with that many people standing in the open and in small craft on the water the casualties would have been much much worse if there had not been a proper air defense. I'm sure to those on the beach it must have seemed like they were not being defended and even 1 German plane getting thru would have been a nightmare with that many men out in the open, but they were.

    As for the rear guard holding off the Germans, the French took the brunt of the casualties. Because they surrendered so soon after, their heroism was largely forgotten.

    , @Lurker
    Agreed.

    A few random points. . .

    Most of the air combat happened away from the beaches, out of sight of the troops on the ground.

    There was British AAA, the beaches were not undefended.

    There were plenty of troops with operational rifles and LMGs on the beaches who were quite at liberty to shoot at German aircraft within range and did so.

    I've also read that bombs falling on the sand were not as lethal as expected, the sand restricted the blast and shrapnel to some degree. Their main targets were the ships, not the troops themselves.

    Plus the Germans don't seem to have made any huge concerted air attack on the evacuation - which kind of supports the notion that the evacuation was 'allowed' by the Germans.
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    Has anyone accused Get Out of plagiarism for using but not crediting Grant Morrison’s idea from The Invisibles? It doesn’t have the family angle but it’s literally evil wealthy whites Be John Malkovich black bodies to do evil in the sight of Baron Samedi (I believe it preceded Malkovich as well, but that one is significantly different). Morrison is not Morrisey so the copyright issue would never get juridical, but let’s not give this guy more credit than is due, he ripped off a(n in-subculture) famous thing and has not be called on it.

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    Has anyone accused Get Out of plagiarism for using but not crediting Grant Morrison’s idea from The Invisibles? It doesn’t have the family angle but it’s literally evil wealthy whites Be John Malkovich black bodies to do evil in the sight of Baron Samedi (I believe it preceded Malkovich as well, but that one is significantly different). Morrison is not Morrisey so the copyright issue would never get juridical, but let’s not give this guy more credit than is due, he ripped off a(n in-subculture) famous thing and has not be called on it.
     
    Dunno. I have heard people bring up a film called The Skeleton Key, which involves Black people transferring their minds into White bodies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeleton_Key

    Of course, the mind-transference idea is an old one (heh) in horror fiction. Lovecraft used it back in 1933 with "The Thing on the Doorstep."
    , @Ali Choudhury
    He probably resigned himself to it after the Wachowskis ripped it and Sebastien O off for The Matrix.

    Dunkirk should win as Nolan is indisputably the best director working in the business today and it will be more of an embarrassment for the Academy if they don't recognise that.

    My favourite movie of 2017 was easily Logan, not had a movie give me the feels as much since Schindler's List which is quite an accomplishment for a comic book movie based on a berserker mutant.
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  38. jim jones says:
    @donut
    I haven't seen any of the nominated movies . I went to see "I, Tanya" on Sunday liked it a lot , surprised it didn't get a nomination .

    I started to watch I Tonya but the people were so hideous I had to give up

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  39. peterike says:
    @Calvin X Hobbes
    Call Me by Your Name (film)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_by_Your_Name_(film)

    QUOTE:
    Elio and Oliver begin to spend time with each other, and a seductive courtship emerges—they swim together, go for long walks in the town, and accompany Elio's father on an archaeological trip. Although Elio begins a sexual relationship with Marzia and brags about it in front of Oliver to gauge his reaction, he increasingly finds himself attracted to Oliver. He sneaks into Oliver's room to smell his bathing suit and thinks about him while masturbating. During a trip to the post office, Elio subtly confesses his feelings to Oliver, who gently tells him that he should not act on them. When they go swimming one day, Elio kisses Oliver on the lips. Oliver returns the kiss but is reluctant to go further. The pair subsequently grow distant during the next few days.

    In response to a note from Elio, Oliver leaves a note on Elio's desk telling Elio to meet him at midnight. Elio spends the day with Marzia, all the while longing to see Oliver. Finally, at midnight, he approaches Oliver on the patio. The two make love for the first time. During the next few days, they grow closer, having sex frequently while keeping their relationship secret. In bed, Oliver tells Elio, "Call me by your name and I'll call you by mine". They become more intimate both physically and emotionally. On one occasion, Elio ejaculates into a peach that he has split open, and when Oliver discovers it, he tries to take a bite of the peach in front of a humiliated Elio. Completely smitten with Oliver by this point, Elio starts avoiding Marzia.
    END QUOTE

    Yuck. I hope it wins Best Picture, though.

    Call Me by Your Name (film)….

    What that entire Wikipedia entry fails to mention is that the gay lover characters in the film are Jewish.

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    Call Me by Your Name (film)….

    What that entire Wikipedia entry fails to mention is that the gay lover characters in the film are Jewish.
     
    Dunno.

    Elio, a seventeen-year-old Jewish-American boy, lives in the Italian countryside with his parents. His father, a professor of archaeology, invites an American Jewish graduate student, Oliver, to live with his family during the summer of 1983 and help with his academic paperwork. Elio, an introspective bibliophile and musical prodigy, finds little in common with Oliver, whose carefree and exuberant personality contrasts with his own. Elio also resents vacating his bedroom for the duration of Oliver's stay. Elio spends much of the summer reading books and hanging out with his girlfriend, Marzia, while Oliver is attracted to one of the local girls, much to Elio's chagrin.
     

    During Hanukkah, Elio receives a phone call from Oliver. Oliver tells Elio and his family that he is engaged to be married. After they hang up, a pained Elio sits by the fire. A parade of emotions crosses his face as his parents and the house staff prepare a holiday dinner.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_by_Your_Name_(film)
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  40. Steve, Get Out sucked: lousy satire, not funny, not scary–a big zero. And it was not even clever

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  41. donut says:
    @syonredux
    Call Me By Your Name
    Darkest Hour
    Dunkirk
    Get Out
    Lady Bird
    Phantom Thread
    The Post
    The Shape of Water
    Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

    Seen 'em all except for The Post (looks too "journalists are great" for my tastes) and Darkest Hour (I'm officially Churchilled-out; one of the things that I really liked about Dunkirk is that it had zero Churchill. Even the "fight them on the beaches speech" was read by somebody else) .

    My vote for best picture: Dunkirk.

    What will probably win: I think that Dunkirk's got a pretty good shot, being both worthy and popular.

    Least deserving nominee: Finally saw The Shape of Water. Pretty to look at but utterly brainless. At least Get Out had a few interesting observations in the DR3 vein. Plus, it also had some funny bits:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH0jBS408eo

    “Even the “fight them on the beaches speech” was read by somebody else) ” . I read someplace that he didn’t read that speech in fact . I can’t find the place I read it but this from Wikipedia : “Unlike his subsequent This was their finest hour speech, Churchill’s 4 June speech in the House of Commons was not repeated by him as a live radio broadcast that evening. Rather, as with his earlier Blood, toil, tears, and sweat speech, extracts were read by the newsreader on that evening’s BBC news broadcast.”

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    “Even the “fight them on the beaches speech” was read by somebody else) ” . I read someplace that he didn’t read that speech in fact . I can’t find the place I read it but this from Wikipedia : “Unlike his subsequent This was their finest hour speech, Churchill’s 4 June speech in the House of Commons was not repeated by him as a live radio broadcast that evening. Rather, as with his earlier Blood, toil, tears, and sweat speech, extracts were read by the newsreader on that evening’s BBC news broadcast.”
     
    I meant that we didn't get some kind of dramatized re-creation of the speech.
    , @Lurker



    A recurring rumour holds that, because the House of Commons was not at the time set up for location recording, some of Winston Churchill's most famous speeches to Parliament during World War II were subsequently recorded for radio broadcast not by Churchill, but by Shelley impersonating Churchill. The rumour has been promoted by David Irving to support his unflattering view of Churchill.

    It is difficult to prove or disprove Irving's claims. Analysis of voice patterns in 20 of Churchill's recorded speeches show that three made in May and June 1940 do not match those provably by him, although Churchill might have recorded them after his voice had changed. Whether Shelley is the speaker and, if so, whether they were broadcast as allegedly by Churchill is unproven according to one source.

    One report states Shelley did record a performance of Churchill's "We shall fight on the beaches" speech, which is claimed to be one of the three non-matching speeches. However Shelley's 78rpm record is dated 7 September 1942, whereas Churchill's speech was broadcast on 4 June 1940, key parts being read out by a BBC announcer. Shelley claimed that he did once voice Churchill for an introduction to a wartime propaganda film for distribution overseas with Churchill’s permission, as the Prime Minister could not find time for the necessary visit to the studio.

    According to Shelley's great friend, former BBC radio and TV producer and presenter, Trevor Hill, Shelley did indeed stand in for Churchill on at least three occasions, specifically when Churchill was ill or out of the country. This would never have been divulged at the time. Shelley's party piece, often requested apparently, was for everyone to close their eyes while he impersonated Churchill when, according to Hill, it was impossible to tell the difference.

    Churchill did re-record most of his speeches at Chartwell in 1949. The EMI Engineer responsible has told the BECTU History Project that he used one of the then new BTR tape recorders and that Churchill usually did this in bed, so they have a more relaxed air than the original broadcast. These are often what are heard when played today.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Shelley
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  42. countenance says: • Website

    The Academy seems to like a movie about a town in Missouri that doesn’t exist.

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  43. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I will bet on Dunkirk winning if the odds look good for three reasons: Great movie, best I saw the past 2 years; big budget that appeals to the crew voters; SJW voters split way too many ways.

    Get Out I think will get Best Director as a consolation prize.

    - Lot

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    Interesting point about the SJW offerings splitting the votes. The same could happen for the acting nominees, in which the majority of good academy members want to vote for the black lady, but end up splitting the vote.

    Are Oscar winners based on the plurality winner? Or some kind of system where they whittle the nominees down until one gets a majority? I assume the former -- as we hear about the several thousand voters "mailing in their ballots"? -- but don't know.

    Or is the whole thing just fixed? They can't allow Dunkirk to win, can they? It sticks out like a sore white male thumb among the nominees.
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  44. syonredux says:
    @peterike

    Call Me by Your Name (film)....

     

    What that entire Wikipedia entry fails to mention is that the gay lover characters in the film are Jewish.

    Call Me by Your Name (film)….

    What that entire Wikipedia entry fails to mention is that the gay lover characters in the film are Jewish.

    Dunno.

    Elio, a seventeen-year-old Jewish-American boy, lives in the Italian countryside with his parents. His father, a professor of archaeology, invites an American Jewish graduate student, Oliver, to live with his family during the summer of 1983 and help with his academic paperwork. Elio, an introspective bibliophile and musical prodigy, finds little in common with Oliver, whose carefree and exuberant personality contrasts with his own. Elio also resents vacating his bedroom for the duration of Oliver’s stay. Elio spends much of the summer reading books and hanging out with his girlfriend, Marzia, while Oliver is attracted to one of the local girls, much to Elio’s chagrin.

    During Hanukkah, Elio receives a phone call from Oliver. Oliver tells Elio and his family that he is engaged to be married. After they hang up, a pained Elio sits by the fire. A parade of emotions crosses his face as his parents and the house staff prepare a holiday dinner.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_by_Your_Name_(film)

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    Lol! I meant the entire quoted portion. I didn't check the original.

    Anyway, that will def get it more votes.
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  45. syonredux says:
    @J.Ross
    Has anyone accused Get Out of plagiarism for using but not crediting Grant Morrison's idea from The Invisibles? It doesn't have the family angle but it's literally evil wealthy whites Be John Malkovich black bodies to do evil in the sight of Baron Samedi (I believe it preceded Malkovich as well, but that one is significantly different). Morrison is not Morrisey so the copyright issue would never get juridical, but let's not give this guy more credit than is due, he ripped off a(n in-subculture) famous thing and has not be called on it.

    Has anyone accused Get Out of plagiarism for using but not crediting Grant Morrison’s idea from The Invisibles? It doesn’t have the family angle but it’s literally evil wealthy whites Be John Malkovich black bodies to do evil in the sight of Baron Samedi (I believe it preceded Malkovich as well, but that one is significantly different). Morrison is not Morrisey so the copyright issue would never get juridical, but let’s not give this guy more credit than is due, he ripped off a(n in-subculture) famous thing and has not be called on it.

    Dunno. I have heard people bring up a film called The Skeleton Key, which involves Black people transferring their minds into White bodies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeleton_Key

    Of course, the mind-transference idea is an old one (heh) in horror fiction. Lovecraft used it back in 1933 with “The Thing on the Doorstep.”

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    True but the similarities in Invisibles and Get Out approach lawsuit worthiness, and the other examples are just overlapping on the basic concept.
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  46. Clyde says:

    The Shape of Water — Never heard of it before today. I checked out its Wikipedia entry. What a laughably idiotic plot, it must be a metaphor for a really, really big take on life. But it gets 92% at Rotten Tomatoes.

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    In an interview with IndieWire about the film, del Toro said, "This movie is a healing movie for me. ... For nine movies I rephrased the fears of my childhood, the dreams of my childhood, and this is the first time I speak as an adult, about something that worries me as an adult. I speak about trust, otherness, sex, love, where we're going...."[26]

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  47. syonredux says:
    @donut
    "Even the “fight them on the beaches speech” was read by somebody else) " . I read someplace that he didn't read that speech in fact . I can't find the place I read it but this from Wikipedia : "Unlike his subsequent This was their finest hour speech, Churchill's 4 June speech in the House of Commons was not repeated by him as a live radio broadcast that evening. Rather, as with his earlier Blood, toil, tears, and sweat speech, extracts were read by the newsreader on that evening's BBC news broadcast."

    “Even the “fight them on the beaches speech” was read by somebody else) ” . I read someplace that he didn’t read that speech in fact . I can’t find the place I read it but this from Wikipedia : “Unlike his subsequent This was their finest hour speech, Churchill’s 4 June speech in the House of Commons was not repeated by him as a live radio broadcast that evening. Rather, as with his earlier Blood, toil, tears, and sweat speech, extracts were read by the newsreader on that evening’s BBC news broadcast.”

    I meant that we didn’t get some kind of dramatized re-creation of the speech.

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  48. syonredux says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Bone Tomahawk director and writer Craig Zahler has a new movie starring Vince Vaughn in which Vaughn's character uses the word SHITHOLE. This further reinforces the widely-held belief that President Trump has an amazing ability to perfectly sense the cultural and political atmosphere in the United States.

    Vince Vaughn is in the new movie Brawl In Cell Block 99

    President Trump's alleged use of the word SHITHOLE to describe certain Third World countries was a lightning rod that set off big political fireworks. Trump is Tesla with words.

    Vince Vaughn character:

    "No I'm gonna drive packages for a friend. I want us in a better home than this SHITHOLE."

    Bone Tomahawk director and writer Craig Zahler has a new movie starring Vince Vaughn in which Vaughn’s character uses the word SHITHOLE.

    Bone Tomahawk was a pretty good horror Western. My only real complaint involves Lili Simmons’ performance as the lady doctor. Whereas everybody else (Kurt Russell, Patrick Wilson, Richard Jenkins, Mathew Fox, etc) seemed period appropriate, Simmons acted as though her character just sauntered in from contemporary Malibu.

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  49. guest says:

    I’ve only seen Dunkirk. I might bother with Get Out at some point, and There Will Be Blood nostalgia could get me to watch another PTA joint.

    But there’s no possible way I’ll watch the Oscars. Not after previous We Love Black People-fests, and certainly not considering Weinstein-gate. Whatever “comedian” they get to host and presumably at least every other person who speaks shall be insufferable on that count. Insufferable.

    That, and they deserve zero ratings after screwing up so badly last year. Not only by giving Best Picture to the wrong picture, but by picking the picture they did.

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    You have to be flamingly gay (or have to write about it- Steve) to watch the Oscars.
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  50. Pat Casey says:

    The best movie I saw last year besides Dunkirk was Wind River.

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    "Wind River" was pretty good. I haven't seen anything made in 2017 that I would want to watch a second time, though.
    , @Danindc
    Good first half but then devolved into hate whitey evil corporation bs. Cmon Casey!
    , @Anon87
    It wasn't bad, but as a director not as strong as his previous written work. I'd still say top 10 (if I could scrape together 10 movies to fill out a list).
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  51. @Jack D

    at the exact point that being a gay black guy was the trendiest thing in the world
     
    Peak gay black guy was a few years ago. Nowadays you have to be a trannie or you're not really in the runnning.

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.

    That’s what happens when you don’t have adequate fighter cover. As was explained by one of the characters, the British fighters were being held back for the upcoming Battle of Britain, when, if the Germans attempted an invasion, the sitting ducks would be the German forces trying to cross the English Channel. Much of the action was on the front lines, where rearguard units were ordered to fight to the last man and many took 90+% casualties. Why Nolan chose not to depict those engagements at all is a inexplicable to me. It would certainly have mitigated some of the boredom, since the movie never made clear that the principal danger to the retreating troops wasn’t German subs or aircraft, but the German army pressing on them just beyond the beaches of Dunkirk.

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    "That’s what happens when you don’t have adequate fighter cover."

    Churchill to the House of Commons ('fight them on the beaches' speech)


    "Many of our soldiers coming back have not seen the Air Force at work; they saw only the bombers which escaped its protective attack. They underrate its achievements. I have heard much talk of this; that is why I go out of my way to say this. I will tell you about it.

    This was a great trial of strength between the British and German Air Forces. Can you conceive a greater objective for the Germans in the air than to make evacuation from these beaches impossible, and to sink all these ships which were displayed, almost to the extent of thousands? Could there have been an objective of greater military importance and significance for the whole purpose of the war than this? They tried hard, and they were beaten back; they were frustrated in their task. We got the Army away; and they have paid fourfold for any losses which they have inflicted. Very large formations of German aeroplanes-and we know that they are a very brave race-have turned on several occasions from the attack of one-quarter of their number of the Royal Air Force, and have dispersed in different directions. Twelve aeroplanes have been hunted by two. One aeroplane was driven into the water and cast away by the mere charge of a British aeroplane, which had no more ammunition. All of our types-the Hurricane, the Spitfire and the new Defiant-and all our pilots have been vindicated as superior to what they have at present to face.

    When we consider how much greater would be our advantage in defending the air above this Island against an overseas attack, I must say that I find in these facts a sure basis upon which practical and reassuring thoughts may rest. I will pay my tribute to these young airmen. The great French Army was very largely, for the time being, cast back and disturbed by the onrush of a few thousands of armored vehicles. May it not also be that the cause of civilization itself will be defended by the skill and devotion of a few thousand airmen?"
     

    Now he was gilding the lily a bit - the Defiant, a two-seat fighter with a gun turret, wasn't a great aircraft, for example, and the tally of kills and losses was optimistic in the extreme - but the RAF was very much involved in the Dunkirk battle.

    (I found Dunkirk pretty dull tbh, and I think I'll skip this one. When you've read a lot of the history the Hollywood version grates more than a bit. I guess Dunkirk did tell you how LOUD war is)

    , @LondonBob
    A black legend, the RAF did all they could but flight time was limited over Dunkirk due to fuel issues flying from airfields in England. The soldiers on the beach didn't see the fighters as they were dogfighting at 30,000 feet, RAF on the beaches had to discard their uniforms to avoid being lynched.
    , @Twodees Partain
    My view of "Dunkirk" was that it failed to even hint at the scope of the evacuation. Maybe the budget wasn't there for lots of extras or a bigger CGI effort.
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  52. guest says:
    @syonredux
    jPod has an...interesting..take on The Shape of Water

    What's great about The Shape of Water is that Julius Rosenberg helps save an innocent sea god from the FBI (which was bad then even though it's heroic now)
     
    https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/955825867493605376

    Is that an anti-semitic parody account?

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  53. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Calvin X Hobbes
    Call Me by Your Name (film)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_by_Your_Name_(film)

    QUOTE:
    Elio and Oliver begin to spend time with each other, and a seductive courtship emerges—they swim together, go for long walks in the town, and accompany Elio's father on an archaeological trip. Although Elio begins a sexual relationship with Marzia and brags about it in front of Oliver to gauge his reaction, he increasingly finds himself attracted to Oliver. He sneaks into Oliver's room to smell his bathing suit and thinks about him while masturbating. During a trip to the post office, Elio subtly confesses his feelings to Oliver, who gently tells him that he should not act on them. When they go swimming one day, Elio kisses Oliver on the lips. Oliver returns the kiss but is reluctant to go further. The pair subsequently grow distant during the next few days.

    In response to a note from Elio, Oliver leaves a note on Elio's desk telling Elio to meet him at midnight. Elio spends the day with Marzia, all the while longing to see Oliver. Finally, at midnight, he approaches Oliver on the patio. The two make love for the first time. During the next few days, they grow closer, having sex frequently while keeping their relationship secret. In bed, Oliver tells Elio, "Call me by your name and I'll call you by mine". They become more intimate both physically and emotionally. On one occasion, Elio ejaculates into a peach that he has split open, and when Oliver discovers it, he tries to take a bite of the peach in front of a humiliated Elio. Completely smitten with Oliver by this point, Elio starts avoiding Marzia.
    END QUOTE

    Yuck. I hope it wins Best Picture, though.

    I honestly enjoyed Dykes To Watch Out For, it’s objectively well-written and well-designed if facile in its conclusions, so when Dykes creatrix Alison Bechtel endorsed a gay comic called The Curbside Boys I bought it expecting something like Dykes. But the Boys are not Dykes. The Dykes actually do things in their lives (like Mo’s crusade against Barnes and Noble’s) and have extensive political opinions. The Boys’ every episode was
    gay guy 1 hooks up with gay guy 2
    gay guy 3 remarks upon how noteworthy this is (this is the “punch line”)
    even though it’s the only god-damned thing that ever happens in their literally navel-gazing little rut.
    So yeah it sounds like this flick is gays wishing their romantic pursuits were as complicated as those of straights.

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    Life is what gay men do between having sex...a lot.

    Life is all gay women have because they don't have sex.
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  54. J.Ross says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Has anyone accused Get Out of plagiarism for using but not crediting Grant Morrison’s idea from The Invisibles? It doesn’t have the family angle but it’s literally evil wealthy whites Be John Malkovich black bodies to do evil in the sight of Baron Samedi (I believe it preceded Malkovich as well, but that one is significantly different). Morrison is not Morrisey so the copyright issue would never get juridical, but let’s not give this guy more credit than is due, he ripped off a(n in-subculture) famous thing and has not be called on it.
     
    Dunno. I have heard people bring up a film called The Skeleton Key, which involves Black people transferring their minds into White bodies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeleton_Key

    Of course, the mind-transference idea is an old one (heh) in horror fiction. Lovecraft used it back in 1933 with "The Thing on the Doorstep."

    True but the similarities in Invisibles and Get Out approach lawsuit worthiness, and the other examples are just overlapping on the basic concept.

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    I'd have to re-read The Invisibles (it's been a while), but a lot of people have discussed Skeleton Key's influence on Get Out:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNl0MLGKil0
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  55. J.Ross says: • Website
    @the one they call Desanex
    Isn’t it somewhat cuckish to watch and try to enjoy movies made by people who hate your guts? When they stop hating my guts, maybe I can watch new movies again. Right now, movies are dead to me.

    I’m okay with movies from different and even hostile viewpoints, my problem is the absolutely solid uniformity of that hostile viewpoint across the whole field.

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  56. Luke Lea says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    OT: Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/chuck-schumer-trump-wall-offer-359156

    Feb 8th, new shutdown. For those government officials here, Rise and Fall comes out then too, so you get to have time to play it!

    OT: Schumer withdraws offer on Trump’s wall

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/chuck-schumer-trump-wall-offer-359156

    Feb 8th, new shutdown. For those government officials here, Rise and Fall comes out then too, so you get to have time to play it!

    Hopefully Trump will play this out all the way to election day.

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    My preference would be for actual construction of the wall rather than political games and arguments about which side is winning.
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  57. peterike says:
    @syonredux

    Call Me by Your Name (film)….

    What that entire Wikipedia entry fails to mention is that the gay lover characters in the film are Jewish.
     
    Dunno.

    Elio, a seventeen-year-old Jewish-American boy, lives in the Italian countryside with his parents. His father, a professor of archaeology, invites an American Jewish graduate student, Oliver, to live with his family during the summer of 1983 and help with his academic paperwork. Elio, an introspective bibliophile and musical prodigy, finds little in common with Oliver, whose carefree and exuberant personality contrasts with his own. Elio also resents vacating his bedroom for the duration of Oliver's stay. Elio spends much of the summer reading books and hanging out with his girlfriend, Marzia, while Oliver is attracted to one of the local girls, much to Elio's chagrin.
     

    During Hanukkah, Elio receives a phone call from Oliver. Oliver tells Elio and his family that he is engaged to be married. After they hang up, a pained Elio sits by the fire. A parade of emotions crosses his face as his parents and the house staff prepare a holiday dinner.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_by_Your_Name_(film)

    Lol! I meant the entire quoted portion. I didn’t check the original.

    Anyway, that will def get it more votes.

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  58. Barnard says:
    @Luke Lea

    OT: Schumer withdraws offer on Trump’s wall

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/chuck-schumer-trump-wall-offer-359156

    Feb 8th, new shutdown. For those government officials here, Rise and Fall comes out then too, so you get to have time to play it!
     
    Hopefully Trump will play this out all the way to election day.

    My preference would be for actual construction of the wall rather than political games and arguments about which side is winning.

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  59. OT – someone’s made a meme from the Jordan Peterson interview by Cathy Newman of Channel 4 in the UK, in which she told him what he was saying 36 times in a 30 minute convo.

    It was entertaining though her behaviour was disgraceful – half way through she actually ran out of arguments, and he said “gotcha”.

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    Truly a thing of beauty, all that remained was a smoking crater.
    , @donut
    "and he said “gotcha” . Yes he did and that was weak . He should ave just let her squirm .
    , @J.Ross
    BBC radio every morning is like this, but with less proficiency in English and no dissenting guests. Picture two of her, agreeing cultishly that she's right, chuckling among monosyllables that Americans are dumb. Except for Lawrence Pollard slipping in little jokes between segments, that's the ray of sunshine.
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  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    The Shape of Water -- Never heard of it before today. I checked out its Wikipedia entry. What a laughably idiotic plot, it must be a metaphor for a really, really big take on life. But it gets 92% at Rotten Tomatoes.

    In an interview with IndieWire about the film, del Toro said, “This movie is a healing movie for me. … For nine movies I rephrased the fears of my childhood, the dreams of my childhood, and this is the first time I speak as an adult, about something that worries me as an adult. I speak about trust, otherness, sex, love, where we’re going….”[26]

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    The big concept movie that hooks into the director's (auteur's) childhood. "Shape of Water" is just so much hokum to me, but his movies get funded because he gets an audience and 92% fresh rating at Sweet Tomatoes. Hate to do it, but I must respect him.
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  61. syonredux says:
    @J.Ross
    True but the similarities in Invisibles and Get Out approach lawsuit worthiness, and the other examples are just overlapping on the basic concept.

    I’d have to re-read The Invisibles (it’s been a while), but a lot of people have discussed Skeleton Key‘s influence on Get Out:

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  62. Unpopular opinion: I thought Moonlight was very good. It wasn’t an “anti-white” movie because there aren’t any whites in it, save one reference to a Cuban kid as “that white boy.”

    The movie has nothing to say about whites. It’s about African Americans, the good, the bad, and yeah, the gay. It did not shy away from the violence of black underclass life, and it did not blame whitey for that violence. The movie is about one guy’s attempt to find some beauty amidst the violence. It was good.

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  63. @Johann Ricke

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.
     
    That's what happens when you don't have adequate fighter cover. As was explained by one of the characters, the British fighters were being held back for the upcoming Battle of Britain, when, if the Germans attempted an invasion, the sitting ducks would be the German forces trying to cross the English Channel. Much of the action was on the front lines, where rearguard units were ordered to fight to the last man and many took 90+% casualties. Why Nolan chose not to depict those engagements at all is a inexplicable to me. It would certainly have mitigated some of the boredom, since the movie never made clear that the principal danger to the retreating troops wasn't German subs or aircraft, but the German army pressing on them just beyond the beaches of Dunkirk.

    “That’s what happens when you don’t have adequate fighter cover.”

    Churchill to the House of Commons (‘fight them on the beaches’ speech)

    “Many of our soldiers coming back have not seen the Air Force at work; they saw only the bombers which escaped its protective attack. They underrate its achievements. I have heard much talk of this; that is why I go out of my way to say this. I will tell you about it.

    This was a great trial of strength between the British and German Air Forces. Can you conceive a greater objective for the Germans in the air than to make evacuation from these beaches impossible, and to sink all these ships which were displayed, almost to the extent of thousands? Could there have been an objective of greater military importance and significance for the whole purpose of the war than this? They tried hard, and they were beaten back; they were frustrated in their task. We got the Army away; and they have paid fourfold for any losses which they have inflicted. Very large formations of German aeroplanes-and we know that they are a very brave race-have turned on several occasions from the attack of one-quarter of their number of the Royal Air Force, and have dispersed in different directions. Twelve aeroplanes have been hunted by two. One aeroplane was driven into the water and cast away by the mere charge of a British aeroplane, which had no more ammunition. All of our types-the Hurricane, the Spitfire and the new Defiant-and all our pilots have been vindicated as superior to what they have at present to face.

    When we consider how much greater would be our advantage in defending the air above this Island against an overseas attack, I must say that I find in these facts a sure basis upon which practical and reassuring thoughts may rest. I will pay my tribute to these young airmen. The great French Army was very largely, for the time being, cast back and disturbed by the onrush of a few thousands of armored vehicles. May it not also be that the cause of civilization itself will be defended by the skill and devotion of a few thousand airmen?”

    Now he was gilding the lily a bit – the Defiant, a two-seat fighter with a gun turret, wasn’t a great aircraft, for example, and the tally of kills and losses was optimistic in the extreme – but the RAF was very much involved in the Dunkirk battle.

    (I found Dunkirk pretty dull tbh, and I think I’ll skip this one. When you’ve read a lot of the history the Hollywood version grates more than a bit. I guess Dunkirk did tell you how LOUD war is)

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    "When you've read a lot of the history..."

    I don't expect accurate history from movies, and though we don't need to keep valorizing the Dunkirk Myth, there also isn't any realistic chance of it being debunked any time soon. So what's the difference? Pretend it's fiction, which it in fact is.

    I take it as the Dunkirk Myth told exceptionally well, in the form of a rousing action movie.

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  64. Three of those animated nominations are horrible (Boss Baby, Coco, Ferdinand). They also overlooked the best animated film, Your Name (Japan, but the English dubbed version ran in theaters for a week, and the dubbing was well done).

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  65. LondonBob says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.
     
    That's what happens when you don't have adequate fighter cover. As was explained by one of the characters, the British fighters were being held back for the upcoming Battle of Britain, when, if the Germans attempted an invasion, the sitting ducks would be the German forces trying to cross the English Channel. Much of the action was on the front lines, where rearguard units were ordered to fight to the last man and many took 90+% casualties. Why Nolan chose not to depict those engagements at all is a inexplicable to me. It would certainly have mitigated some of the boredom, since the movie never made clear that the principal danger to the retreating troops wasn't German subs or aircraft, but the German army pressing on them just beyond the beaches of Dunkirk.

    A black legend, the RAF did all they could but flight time was limited over Dunkirk due to fuel issues flying from airfields in England. The soldiers on the beach didn’t see the fighters as they were dogfighting at 30,000 feet, RAF on the beaches had to discard their uniforms to avoid being lynched.

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  66. A few years ago Dunkirk would be a lock to sweep Best Picture, Director, Cinematography, Editing, Sound Mixing and Score (I normally don’t like Hans Zimmer, but he really went out of his comfort zone and created something genuinely nail-biting with Dunkirk). That said, since the entire Academy votes in the Best Picture category I think this will end up being Get Out for best picture with Nolan winning his first for Dunkirk…such a split has been the general trend (except twice) since 2012′s Argo won Best Picture with Ang Lee winning over Ben Afleck for Best Director (interesting that for decades Best Director and Best Picture almost always went to the same film and now it hardly ever happens…thoughts Steve?).

    Also, while I personally think Hoyte van Hoytema deserves to win for Dunkirk, there is not a snowball’s chance in hell that Roger Deakins won’t FINALLY pick up his first award for Blade Runner 2049.

    Oldman is a lock for Best Actor…he’s never won and he is simply astonishing as Churchill.
    Richard Jenkins might be the only token win for Shape of Water, but my money is on Willemm Dafoe winning Best Supporting Actor for his magnificent performance in The Florida Project.
    McDormand has most of the buzz right now but I found her performance overrated…she’s played this part far better before (see Olive Kitridge) plus she already won for Fargo…my money is on a Margot Robbie upset for Best Actress.
    Finally, while Laurie Metcalf deserves to win for Ladybird, I see Allison Janny winning for the showier monster she played in I, Tonya.

    Looking forward to your review of The Phantom Thread…which I freakin’ loved.

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    Blade Runner should have been nominated for Best Picture given that weak field.

    P.T. Anderson was interviewed in last weekend's FT. https://twitter.com/FTLifeArts/status/954375670485962752
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  67. Lurker says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - someone's made a meme from the Jordan Peterson interview by Cathy Newman of Channel 4 in the UK, in which she told him what he was saying 36 times in a 30 minute convo.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/96b1901edae5a3afa8b6431c8fce1e5938073a9c82851cf892721bee342689c9.jpg

    It was entertaining though her behaviour was disgraceful - half way through she actually ran out of arguments, and he said "gotcha".

    Truly a thing of beauty, all that remained was a smoking crater.

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  68. Hubbub says:

    The Shape of Water is not an Academy Award movie, by any stretch of the imagination. It just isn’t, and saying its is won’t make it so. It is not the Best Picture nor does it have the Best Director. It does, however, press all the major PC buttons of our time – women (black and white), disabled, gay, racist pie shop owner, black creature, crazy authoritarian government operative, etc – which do you want? Wait a minute or two and it will come along.

    Best acting performance of the year? Jeff Daniels in the TV series Godless. Now, that’s acting!

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  69. Zippy says:

    I’m a bit surprised everybody loves Dunkirk so much.

    To me, it suffers from the Xena: Warrior Princess problem. In Xena, they’d talk about some Great Roman Legion on its way, and then we’d see it, and it was like 10 guys. Forming a turtle with 10 guys looks ridiculous.

    I think Dunkirk suffered the same problem. Nolan wouldn’t use CGI, so instead of a vast civilian armada, we get like 10 boats rescuing 300 guys on the beach. It failed to convey the scale of the battle. Also, things weren’t coordinated by Kenneth Brannagh standing alone on a pier.

    He spent like $200 million to make the movie, but I wonder how he spent it.

    Plus, the main characters in Dunkirk are all cowards. Why not show the brave guys?

    I did like Finest Hour a lot, and its Dunkirk scenes were better than Dunkirk. Plus Gary Oldman really is good in that.

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    He spent like $200 million to make the movie, but I wonder how he spent it.
     
    $100 million.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(2017_film)
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  70. Jack D says:
    @Barnard

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.
     
    Well considering there is photographic proof of it, I have to wonder how hard you looked.


    https://www.gettyimages.com/license/613493858

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3706936/dunkirk-battle-evacuation-when-movie/

    Over 330,000 troops escaped from Dunkirk and the British dead on the beach and in the water were estimated at 3,500 so 99/100 made it out alive. Some German strafing did happen but with that many people standing in the open and in small craft on the water the casualties would have been much much worse if there had not been a proper air defense. I’m sure to those on the beach it must have seemed like they were not being defended and even 1 German plane getting thru would have been a nightmare with that many men out in the open, but they were.

    As for the rear guard holding off the Germans, the French took the brunt of the casualties. Because they surrendered so soon after, their heroism was largely forgotten.

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    "causalities would have been much much worse"

    Had the Germans been trying in earnest.
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  71. Lurker says:
    @donut
    "Even the “fight them on the beaches speech” was read by somebody else) " . I read someplace that he didn't read that speech in fact . I can't find the place I read it but this from Wikipedia : "Unlike his subsequent This was their finest hour speech, Churchill's 4 June speech in the House of Commons was not repeated by him as a live radio broadcast that evening. Rather, as with his earlier Blood, toil, tears, and sweat speech, extracts were read by the newsreader on that evening's BBC news broadcast."

    A recurring rumour holds that, because the House of Commons was not at the time set up for location recording, some of Winston Churchill’s most famous speeches to Parliament during World War II were subsequently recorded for radio broadcast not by Churchill, but by Shelley impersonating Churchill. The rumour has been promoted by David Irving to support his unflattering view of Churchill.

    It is difficult to prove or disprove Irving’s claims. Analysis of voice patterns in 20 of Churchill’s recorded speeches show that three made in May and June 1940 do not match those provably by him, although Churchill might have recorded them after his voice had changed. Whether Shelley is the speaker and, if so, whether they were broadcast as allegedly by Churchill is unproven according to one source.

    One report states Shelley did record a performance of Churchill’s “We shall fight on the beaches” speech, which is claimed to be one of the three non-matching speeches. However Shelley’s 78rpm record is dated 7 September 1942, whereas Churchill’s speech was broadcast on 4 June 1940, key parts being read out by a BBC announcer. Shelley claimed that he did once voice Churchill for an introduction to a wartime propaganda film for distribution overseas with Churchill’s permission, as the Prime Minister could not find time for the necessary visit to the studio.

    According to Shelley’s great friend, former BBC radio and TV producer and presenter, Trevor Hill, Shelley did indeed stand in for Churchill on at least three occasions, specifically when Churchill was ill or out of the country. This would never have been divulged at the time. Shelley’s party piece, often requested apparently, was for everyone to close their eyes while he impersonated Churchill when, according to Hill, it was impossible to tell the difference.

    Churchill did re-record most of his speeches at Chartwell in 1949. The EMI Engineer responsible has told the BECTU History Project that he used one of the then new BTR tape recorders and that Churchill usually did this in bed, so they have a more relaxed air than the original broadcast. These are often what are heard when played today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Shelley

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    Thank you for that . The past seems to be as unknown as the future .
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  72. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I liked the whole movie, but the early WWII plane dogfight by itself was enough for 3.5 stars in my book.

    Complaining about a lack of heroism during an evacuation of a mostly conscript army? I don’t understand the complaint. In any case, an all hero rushing into gunfire movie would not be accurate. And there was plenty of heroism in the old Englishman and his teenage son taking his pleasure boat to Dunkirk to assist in the evacuation, as well as nearly all of the English and German pilots.

    - Lot

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  73. syonredux says:
    @Zippy
    I'm a bit surprised everybody loves Dunkirk so much.

    To me, it suffers from the Xena: Warrior Princess problem. In Xena, they'd talk about some Great Roman Legion on its way, and then we'd see it, and it was like 10 guys. Forming a turtle with 10 guys looks ridiculous.

    I think Dunkirk suffered the same problem. Nolan wouldn't use CGI, so instead of a vast civilian armada, we get like 10 boats rescuing 300 guys on the beach. It failed to convey the scale of the battle. Also, things weren't coordinated by Kenneth Brannagh standing alone on a pier.

    He spent like $200 million to make the movie, but I wonder how he spent it.

    Plus, the main characters in Dunkirk are all cowards. Why not show the brave guys?

    I did like Finest Hour a lot, and its Dunkirk scenes were better than Dunkirk. Plus Gary Oldman really is good in that.

    He spent like $200 million to make the movie, but I wonder how he spent it.

    $100 million.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(2017_film)

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  74. donut says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - someone's made a meme from the Jordan Peterson interview by Cathy Newman of Channel 4 in the UK, in which she told him what he was saying 36 times in a 30 minute convo.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/96b1901edae5a3afa8b6431c8fce1e5938073a9c82851cf892721bee342689c9.jpg

    It was entertaining though her behaviour was disgraceful - half way through she actually ran out of arguments, and he said "gotcha".

    “and he said “gotcha” . Yes he did and that was weak . He should ave just let her squirm .

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  75. guest says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "That’s what happens when you don’t have adequate fighter cover."

    Churchill to the House of Commons ('fight them on the beaches' speech)


    "Many of our soldiers coming back have not seen the Air Force at work; they saw only the bombers which escaped its protective attack. They underrate its achievements. I have heard much talk of this; that is why I go out of my way to say this. I will tell you about it.

    This was a great trial of strength between the British and German Air Forces. Can you conceive a greater objective for the Germans in the air than to make evacuation from these beaches impossible, and to sink all these ships which were displayed, almost to the extent of thousands? Could there have been an objective of greater military importance and significance for the whole purpose of the war than this? They tried hard, and they were beaten back; they were frustrated in their task. We got the Army away; and they have paid fourfold for any losses which they have inflicted. Very large formations of German aeroplanes-and we know that they are a very brave race-have turned on several occasions from the attack of one-quarter of their number of the Royal Air Force, and have dispersed in different directions. Twelve aeroplanes have been hunted by two. One aeroplane was driven into the water and cast away by the mere charge of a British aeroplane, which had no more ammunition. All of our types-the Hurricane, the Spitfire and the new Defiant-and all our pilots have been vindicated as superior to what they have at present to face.

    When we consider how much greater would be our advantage in defending the air above this Island against an overseas attack, I must say that I find in these facts a sure basis upon which practical and reassuring thoughts may rest. I will pay my tribute to these young airmen. The great French Army was very largely, for the time being, cast back and disturbed by the onrush of a few thousands of armored vehicles. May it not also be that the cause of civilization itself will be defended by the skill and devotion of a few thousand airmen?"
     

    Now he was gilding the lily a bit - the Defiant, a two-seat fighter with a gun turret, wasn't a great aircraft, for example, and the tally of kills and losses was optimistic in the extreme - but the RAF was very much involved in the Dunkirk battle.

    (I found Dunkirk pretty dull tbh, and I think I'll skip this one. When you've read a lot of the history the Hollywood version grates more than a bit. I guess Dunkirk did tell you how LOUD war is)

    “When you’ve read a lot of the history…”

    I don’t expect accurate history from movies, and though we don’t need to keep valorizing the Dunkirk Myth, there also isn’t any realistic chance of it being debunked any time soon. So what’s the difference? Pretend it’s fiction, which it in fact is.

    I take it as the Dunkirk Myth told exceptionally well, in the form of a rousing action movie.

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  76. donut says:
    @Lurker



    A recurring rumour holds that, because the House of Commons was not at the time set up for location recording, some of Winston Churchill's most famous speeches to Parliament during World War II were subsequently recorded for radio broadcast not by Churchill, but by Shelley impersonating Churchill. The rumour has been promoted by David Irving to support his unflattering view of Churchill.

    It is difficult to prove or disprove Irving's claims. Analysis of voice patterns in 20 of Churchill's recorded speeches show that three made in May and June 1940 do not match those provably by him, although Churchill might have recorded them after his voice had changed. Whether Shelley is the speaker and, if so, whether they were broadcast as allegedly by Churchill is unproven according to one source.

    One report states Shelley did record a performance of Churchill's "We shall fight on the beaches" speech, which is claimed to be one of the three non-matching speeches. However Shelley's 78rpm record is dated 7 September 1942, whereas Churchill's speech was broadcast on 4 June 1940, key parts being read out by a BBC announcer. Shelley claimed that he did once voice Churchill for an introduction to a wartime propaganda film for distribution overseas with Churchill’s permission, as the Prime Minister could not find time for the necessary visit to the studio.

    According to Shelley's great friend, former BBC radio and TV producer and presenter, Trevor Hill, Shelley did indeed stand in for Churchill on at least three occasions, specifically when Churchill was ill or out of the country. This would never have been divulged at the time. Shelley's party piece, often requested apparently, was for everyone to close their eyes while he impersonated Churchill when, according to Hill, it was impossible to tell the difference.

    Churchill did re-record most of his speeches at Chartwell in 1949. The EMI Engineer responsible has told the BECTU History Project that he used one of the then new BTR tape recorders and that Churchill usually did this in bed, so they have a more relaxed air than the original broadcast. These are often what are heard when played today.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Shelley

    Thank you for that . The past seems to be as unknown as the future .

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    It's scary how quickly quite recent and seemingly well recorded history gets blurred.
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  77. guest says:
    @Jack D
    Over 330,000 troops escaped from Dunkirk and the British dead on the beach and in the water were estimated at 3,500 so 99/100 made it out alive. Some German strafing did happen but with that many people standing in the open and in small craft on the water the casualties would have been much much worse if there had not been a proper air defense. I'm sure to those on the beach it must have seemed like they were not being defended and even 1 German plane getting thru would have been a nightmare with that many men out in the open, but they were.

    As for the rear guard holding off the Germans, the French took the brunt of the casualties. Because they surrendered so soon after, their heroism was largely forgotten.

    “causalities would have been much much worse”

    Had the Germans been trying in earnest.

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  78. Lurker says:
    @Barnard

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.
     
    Well considering there is photographic proof of it, I have to wonder how hard you looked.


    https://www.gettyimages.com/license/613493858

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3706936/dunkirk-battle-evacuation-when-movie/

    Agreed.

    A few random points. . .

    Most of the air combat happened away from the beaches, out of sight of the troops on the ground.

    There was British AAA, the beaches were not undefended.

    There were plenty of troops with operational rifles and LMGs on the beaches who were quite at liberty to shoot at German aircraft within range and did so.

    I’ve also read that bombs falling on the sand were not as lethal as expected, the sand restricted the blast and shrapnel to some degree. Their main targets were the ships, not the troops themselves.

    Plus the Germans don’t seem to have made any huge concerted air attack on the evacuation – which kind of supports the notion that the evacuation was ‘allowed’ by the Germans.

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    Right - Hitler paused the attack out of a sense of fairness and good sportsmanship because he was really a nice guy and liked the British, although he is wrongly maligned by (((many))) nowadays. He liked the British so much that he later sent them V-1s and V-2s as presents.

    What really happened was that the German armor had outrun their infantry and they stopped for a couple of days to allow them to catch up. In the air, the British held them off and in the rear the British and the French fought fiercely enough to temporarily discombobulate the Germans the way the Battle of the Bulge temporarily slowed down the American advance later in the war. It was really only a few days but just enough to allow the evacuation to happen.

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  79. @jJay
    "The Diary of Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul". It went right to streaming. It's pitch perfect 12yo boy humor and much better than the other Wimpy Kid movies. The Long Haul avoids the 'coming of age' problem: noticing girls. That subject has been beaten to death. It's well written and mostly well acted with fart jokes across a low-budget vacation story line.

    I thought is was refreshing for the absence of any political message. These days you are supposed to be politically woke at age 8 and stay at home with your mom and dad until you are 26. There is no room for normal 12 yo boys in that situation.

    “The Diary of Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”. It went right to streaming. It’s pitch perfect 12yo boy humor and much better than the other Wimpy Kid movies.

    I saw the first half of this with my kids, but we left because we were all bored. The only reason the m0vie is probably good for 12-year-old boys was that it appeared to be scripted and directed by 12-year-old boys.

    We quite enjoyed The Greatest Showman, a musical very loosely based on part of the career of PT Barnum. Like most movies these days it was full of political correction and the plot was nonsense, but the production values and camerawork were good and the song and dance numbers impressive. There was also a good fire scene. Zac Efron, however, has gotten rather fat.

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    So you walked out on the Long Haul because it's not a musical. God only knows 12yo boys prefer musicals over fart jokes.
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  80. @The Z Blog
    I watched Get Out off the Kodi machine last year. I was in the mood to be offended, but instead I laughed at the unintentional humor. Living around lots of blacks, I know they really believe in evil spirits and mysterious forces shaping reality. They really do think whites meet secretly to plot against black bodies.

    I also think the makers of the film sort of get that, so there was a fair bit of wink-wink stuff in it. Still, most blacks surely saw it as a horror movie, which I found humorous. That said, it was also a great send up of white liberals, which I doubt most white liberals understand. Blacks have no respect for race cucks.

    I haven’t seen it, but I thought it was a story about a white girl bringing her black boyfriend home with her. I didn’t know why it would take an entire movie to show her dad telling him to GTFO.

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  81. syonredux says:

    At The New Yorker, Richard Brody offers his ultra-PC take on the nominees:

    This year’s Oscar nominations, announced on Tuesday morning, are all over the place, offering honors equally to the good, the bad, and the ugly. It only occasionally happens that the year’s best movie is among the nominees for Best Picture, and this is one of those years, with “Get Out” on the list of nine. Also included, however, are three stodgy history-hits, plus the airless romance-slash-real-estate prospectus “Call Me by Your Name,” the garishly vain and ludicrous “The Shape of Water,” and the obliviously repugnant “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri,” along with two other movies that are in fact among the year’s best, “Lady Bird” and “Phantom Thread.”

    That’s why the tenacity of “Three Billboards” on the list (along with Best Picture, it got two Supporting Actor nominations, as well as Best Actress, Best Original Screenplay, Best Score, and Editing) is both shocking and unsurprising. The film was quickly seen, at the time of its release, to present a repellently indifferent and instrumentalizing view of race relations and the politics surrounding them. Yet its salt-of-the-earth sentimentality about small-town white people nonetheless (or perhaps therefore) found the same echo among Academy voters that it did among the electorate at large.

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/2018-oscar-nominations-and-predictions-and-who-i-wish-had-made-the-list

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  82. @Pat Casey
    The best movie I saw last year besides Dunkirk was Wind River.

    “Wind River” was pretty good. I haven’t seen anything made in 2017 that I would want to watch a second time, though.

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  83. @Johann Ricke

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don’t resemble any actual military history that I’m familiar with.
     
    That's what happens when you don't have adequate fighter cover. As was explained by one of the characters, the British fighters were being held back for the upcoming Battle of Britain, when, if the Germans attempted an invasion, the sitting ducks would be the German forces trying to cross the English Channel. Much of the action was on the front lines, where rearguard units were ordered to fight to the last man and many took 90+% casualties. Why Nolan chose not to depict those engagements at all is a inexplicable to me. It would certainly have mitigated some of the boredom, since the movie never made clear that the principal danger to the retreating troops wasn't German subs or aircraft, but the German army pressing on them just beyond the beaches of Dunkirk.

    My view of “Dunkirk” was that it failed to even hint at the scope of the evacuation. Maybe the budget wasn’t there for lots of extras or a bigger CGI effort.

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  84. Lurker says:
    @donut
    Thank you for that . The past seems to be as unknown as the future .

    It’s scary how quickly quite recent and seemingly well recorded history gets blurred.

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  85. Jack D says:
    @Lurker
    Agreed.

    A few random points. . .

    Most of the air combat happened away from the beaches, out of sight of the troops on the ground.

    There was British AAA, the beaches were not undefended.

    There were plenty of troops with operational rifles and LMGs on the beaches who were quite at liberty to shoot at German aircraft within range and did so.

    I've also read that bombs falling on the sand were not as lethal as expected, the sand restricted the blast and shrapnel to some degree. Their main targets were the ships, not the troops themselves.

    Plus the Germans don't seem to have made any huge concerted air attack on the evacuation - which kind of supports the notion that the evacuation was 'allowed' by the Germans.

    Right – Hitler paused the attack out of a sense of fairness and good sportsmanship because he was really a nice guy and liked the British, although he is wrongly maligned by (((many))) nowadays. He liked the British so much that he later sent them V-1s and V-2s as presents.

    What really happened was that the German armor had outrun their infantry and they stopped for a couple of days to allow them to catch up. In the air, the British held them off and in the rear the British and the French fought fiercely enough to temporarily discombobulate the Germans the way the Battle of the Bulge temporarily slowed down the American advance later in the war. It was really only a few days but just enough to allow the evacuation to happen.

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    The Vs were a response to much later terror bombing (their name in German was "revenge-weapon" [as in revenge for Bomber Harris's work] which starts with a V and is long enough to suggest abbreviation); around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace, but tons of good Englishmen were too, to include a certain crowned head.
    , @Lurker

    Hitler paused the attack out of a sense of fairness and good sportsmanship because he was really a nice guy and liked the British
     
    Because allowing most of the BEF to escape was a magnanimous, diplomatic gesture. Opening the way to peace negotiations less tainted with total British defeat in France.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Would everyone please note that Jack D has used the triple parentheses correctly, and therefore rather (no, much) more cleverly than those who insist upon using them around obviously Jewish names?
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  86. J.Ross says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - someone's made a meme from the Jordan Peterson interview by Cathy Newman of Channel 4 in the UK, in which she told him what he was saying 36 times in a 30 minute convo.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/96b1901edae5a3afa8b6431c8fce1e5938073a9c82851cf892721bee342689c9.jpg

    It was entertaining though her behaviour was disgraceful - half way through she actually ran out of arguments, and he said "gotcha".

    BBC radio every morning is like this, but with less proficiency in English and no dissenting guests. Picture two of her, agreeing cultishly that she’s right, chuckling among monosyllables that Americans are dumb. Except for Lawrence Pollard slipping in little jokes between segments, that’s the ray of sunshine.

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  87. Danindc says:
    @pepperinmono
    Lady Bird great coming-of-age movie(more than that really).
    Absolutely authentic.
    Touching.
    Very funny.
    Not overdone, even for a scene.
    Great performance by Saoirse Ronan.
    Best movie I have seen since Birdman.

    Nice summary. Thanks. But I heard from reliable sources that bird man was terrible…

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  88. EdwardM says:
    @Anon
    I will bet on Dunkirk winning if the odds look good for three reasons: Great movie, best I saw the past 2 years; big budget that appeals to the crew voters; SJW voters split way too many ways.

    Get Out I think will get Best Director as a consolation prize.

    - Lot

    Interesting point about the SJW offerings splitting the votes. The same could happen for the acting nominees, in which the majority of good academy members want to vote for the black lady, but end up splitting the vote.

    Are Oscar winners based on the plurality winner? Or some kind of system where they whittle the nominees down until one gets a majority? I assume the former — as we hear about the several thousand voters “mailing in their ballots”? — but don’t know.

    Or is the whole thing just fixed? They can’t allow Dunkirk to win, can they? It sticks out like a sore white male thumb among the nominees.

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  89. jJay says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “The Diary of Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”. It went right to streaming. It’s pitch perfect 12yo boy humor and much better than the other Wimpy Kid movies.
     
    I saw the first half of this with my kids, but we left because we were all bored. The only reason the m0vie is probably good for 12-year-old boys was that it appeared to be scripted and directed by 12-year-old boys.

    We quite enjoyed The Greatest Showman, a musical very loosely based on part of the career of PT Barnum. Like most movies these days it was full of political correction and the plot was nonsense, but the production values and camerawork were good and the song and dance numbers impressive. There was also a good fire scene. Zac Efron, however, has gotten rather fat.

    So you walked out on the Long Haul because it’s not a musical. God only knows 12yo boys prefer musicals over fart jokes.

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  90. Danindc says:
    @the one they call Desanex
    Isn’t it somewhat cuckish to watch and try to enjoy movies made by people who hate your guts? When they stop hating my guts, maybe I can watch new movies again. Right now, movies are dead to me.

    Yes, good point. But what will get us through the days?? And don’t say spending time with the family. I tried that.

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  91. Tom-in-VA says:
    @Stephen Marle
    Immigrants galore next season on TV:

    With seven projects featuring immigrants as lead characters — and their issues in front-and-center story lines — there’s a chance next TV season will offer viewers a closer look at corners of the country, and the people who live in them, that remain unfamiliar to many Americans.
     
    http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/immigrant-stories-could-be-fall-tvs-biggest-trend.html

    Not content with destroying the movie industry, SJWs now set their sights on TV.

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  92. Danindc says:
    @guest
    I've only seen Dunkirk. I might bother with Get Out at some point, and There Will Be Blood nostalgia could get me to watch another PTA joint.

    But there's no possible way I'll watch the Oscars. Not after previous We Love Black People-fests, and certainly not considering Weinstein-gate. Whatever "comedian" they get to host and presumably at least every other person who speaks shall be insufferable on that count. Insufferable.

    That, and they deserve zero ratings after screwing up so badly last year. Not only by giving Best Picture to the wrong picture, but by picking the picture they did.

    You have to be flamingly gay (or have to write about it- Steve) to watch the Oscars.

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    Right, all 40 million people who watch the Oscars in the US are gay.
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  93. Danindc says:
    @Pat Casey
    The best movie I saw last year besides Dunkirk was Wind River.

    Good first half but then devolved into hate whitey evil corporation bs. Cmon Casey!

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  94. PerezHBD says:
    @Kirt
    Of the nominated films, I saw only Dunkirk and it was an often losing struggle to even stay awake. If all the others are worse, then Hollywood is headed for the dust bin of history for sure. But at least they didn't nominate Hostiles.

    I also struggled to stay awake during Dunkirk. Would be a shame if Nolan finally won an Oscar for what is probably his weakest film outside the Batman series. Three Billboards was an interesting film. Trailer made it look horrible but it isn’t representative of the movie at all. Lady Bird was a more conventional film (reminded me of Little Miss Sunshine or Juno) but was well executed. Call Me By Your Name is all about the bucolic setting and stunning cinematography. Not much to it, but very pretty. Get Out is just a standard horror flick. I found it vastly inferior to horror flicks that didn’t even get a whiff of an Oscar nomination such as Scream or You’re Next and I think enough time has passed that white liberals have kind of caught on to the fact that the film is parodying them an actual black perspective rather than a SJW black perspective and for that reason it won’t steal the win from a more deserving movie. The Post was insufferable. Haven’t seen Phantom Thread.

    Unless Phantom Thread is amazing, I think Three Billboards will win.

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  95. @J.Ross
    Has anyone accused Get Out of plagiarism for using but not crediting Grant Morrison's idea from The Invisibles? It doesn't have the family angle but it's literally evil wealthy whites Be John Malkovich black bodies to do evil in the sight of Baron Samedi (I believe it preceded Malkovich as well, but that one is significantly different). Morrison is not Morrisey so the copyright issue would never get juridical, but let's not give this guy more credit than is due, he ripped off a(n in-subculture) famous thing and has not be called on it.

    He probably resigned himself to it after the Wachowskis ripped it and Sebastien O off for The Matrix.

    Dunkirk should win as Nolan is indisputably the best director working in the business today and it will be more of an embarrassment for the Academy if they don’t recognise that.

    My favourite movie of 2017 was easily Logan, not had a movie give me the feels as much since Schindler’s List which is quite an accomplishment for a comic book movie based on a berserker mutant.

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    He probably resigned himself to it after the Wachowskis ripped it and Sebastien O off for The Matrix.
     
    There was a fun exchange a while back where Alan Moore and Michael Moorcock accused Grant Morrison of ripping off their work. Morrison replied that that kind of talk was pretty funny, considering that Alan Moore's career was largely built on using concepts/characters that were created by others (Supreme= Superman, Rorschach= Mr A and The Question, Tom Strong= Doc Savage, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, etc), and that Moorcock's debt to the work of Edgar Rice Burroughs, Robert E Howard, and Anthony Skene was massive.
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  96. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
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    A few years ago Dunkirk would be a lock to sweep Best Picture, Director, Cinematography, Editing, Sound Mixing and Score (I normally don't like Hans Zimmer, but he really went out of his comfort zone and created something genuinely nail-biting with Dunkirk). That said, since the entire Academy votes in the Best Picture category I think this will end up being Get Out for best picture with Nolan winning his first for Dunkirk...such a split has been the general trend (except twice) since 2012's Argo won Best Picture with Ang Lee winning over Ben Afleck for Best Director (interesting that for decades Best Director and Best Picture almost always went to the same film and now it hardly ever happens...thoughts Steve?).

    Also, while I personally think Hoyte van Hoytema deserves to win for Dunkirk, there is not a snowball's chance in hell that Roger Deakins won't FINALLY pick up his first award for Blade Runner 2049.

    Oldman is a lock for Best Actor...he's never won and he is simply astonishing as Churchill.
    Richard Jenkins might be the only token win for Shape of Water, but my money is on Willemm Dafoe winning Best Supporting Actor for his magnificent performance in The Florida Project.
    McDormand has most of the buzz right now but I found her performance overrated...she's played this part far better before (see Olive Kitridge) plus she already won for Fargo...my money is on a Margot Robbie upset for Best Actress.
    Finally, while Laurie Metcalf deserves to win for Ladybird, I see Allison Janny winning for the showier monster she played in I, Tonya.

    Looking forward to your review of The Phantom Thread...which I freakin' loved.

    Blade Runner should have been nominated for Best Picture given that weak field.

    P.T. Anderson was interviewed in last weekend’s FT. https://twitter.com/FTLifeArts/status/954375670485962752

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  97. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D
    Right - Hitler paused the attack out of a sense of fairness and good sportsmanship because he was really a nice guy and liked the British, although he is wrongly maligned by (((many))) nowadays. He liked the British so much that he later sent them V-1s and V-2s as presents.

    What really happened was that the German armor had outrun their infantry and they stopped for a couple of days to allow them to catch up. In the air, the British held them off and in the rear the British and the French fought fiercely enough to temporarily discombobulate the Germans the way the Battle of the Bulge temporarily slowed down the American advance later in the war. It was really only a few days but just enough to allow the evacuation to happen.

    The Vs were a response to much later terror bombing (their name in German was “revenge-weapon” [as in revenge for Bomber Harris's work] which starts with a V and is long enough to suggest abbreviation); around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace, but tons of good Englishmen were too, to include a certain crowned head.

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    around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace,
     
    Well, yes. His main objective was carving out an Empire in the East:

    The Hunger Plan (German: der Hungerplan; der Backe-Plan) was a plan developed by Nazi Germany during World War II to seize food from the Soviet Union and give it to German soldiers and civilians; the plan entailed the death by starvation of millions of "racially inferior" Slavs following Operation Barbarossa, the 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union. The premise behind the Hunger Plan was that Germany was not self-sufficient in food supplies, and to sustain the war and keep up the domestic morale it needed to obtain the food from conquered lands at any cost. It was an engineered famine, planned and implemented as an act of policy. This plan was developed during the planning phase for the Wehrmacht (German Armed Forces) invasion and provided for diverting of the Ukrainian food stuffs away from central and northern Russia and redirecting them for the benefit of the invading army and the population in Germany. The plan resulted in the deaths of millions of people.[1] The plan as a means of mass murder was outlined in several documents, including one that became known as Göring's Green Folder, which quoted a number of "20 to 30 million" expected Russian deaths from "military actions and crises of food supply."
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

    The Generalplan Ost (German pronunciation: [ɡenəˈʁaːlˌplaːn ˈɔst]; English: Master Plan for the East), abbreviated GPO, was the German government's plan for the genocide and ethnic cleansing on a vast scale,[1] and colonization of Central and Eastern Europe by Germans.[2] It was to be undertaken in territories occupied by Germany during World War II.[1] The plan was partially realized during the war, resulting indirectly and directly in a very large number of deaths, but its full implementation was not considered practicable during the major military operations, and was prevented by Germany's defeat.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
    , @syonredux

    around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace,
     
    My understanding is that most historians think that the notion that "Hitler allowed the Brits to escape" is something of a postwar myth.

    By 24 May, the Germans had captured the port of Boulogne and surrounded Calais.[31] The engineers of the 2nd Panzer Division under Generalmajor Rudolf Veiel built five bridges over the Canal Line and only one British battalion barred the way to Dunkirk.[41] On 23 May, Rundstedt had ordered the panzer units to halt, concerned about the vulnerability of his flanks and the question of supply to his forward troops.[42][43][44] He was also concerned that the marshy ground around Dunkirk would prove unsuitable for tanks and he wished to conserve them for later operations (in some units, tank losses were 30–50 percent).[45][46] Hitler was also apprehensive, and on a visit to Army Group A headquarters on 24 May, he endorsed the order.[45]

    Air Marshal Hermann Göring urged Hitler to let the Luftwaffe (aided by Army Group B[47]) finish off the British, to the consternation of Halder, who noted in his diary that the Luftwaffe was dependent upon the weather and air crews were worn out after two weeks of battle.[48] Rundstedt issued another order, which was sent uncoded. It was picked up by the RAF Y service at 12:42: "By order of the Fuhrer ... attack north-west of Arras is to be limited to the general line Lens-Bethune-Aire-St Omer-Gravelines. The Canal will not be crossed."[49][50] Later that day, Hitler issued Directive 13, which called for the Luftwaffe to defeat the trapped Allied forces and stop their escape.[51] At 15:30 on 26 May, Hitler ordered the panzer groups to continue their advance, but most units took another 16 hours to attack.[52] The delay gave the Allies time to prepare defences vital for the evacuation and prevented the Germans from stopping the Allied retreat from Lille
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation#Battle_of_Dunkirk
    , @Dave Pinsen
    They were in development longer as As (for Aggregate). E.g., the A-4 became the V-2.
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  98. Jack D says:
    @Danindc
    You have to be flamingly gay (or have to write about it- Steve) to watch the Oscars.

    Right, all 40 million people who watch the Oscars in the US are gay.

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    I'm pretty sure he meant you have to be flaming gay to watch them if you're a man.

    It checks out.
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  99. syonredux says:
    @J.Ross
    The Vs were a response to much later terror bombing (their name in German was "revenge-weapon" [as in revenge for Bomber Harris's work] which starts with a V and is long enough to suggest abbreviation); around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace, but tons of good Englishmen were too, to include a certain crowned head.

    around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace,

    Well, yes. His main objective was carving out an Empire in the East:

    The Hunger Plan (German: der Hungerplan; der Backe-Plan) was a plan developed by Nazi Germany during World War II to seize food from the Soviet Union and give it to German soldiers and civilians; the plan entailed the death by starvation of millions of “racially inferior” Slavs following Operation Barbarossa, the 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union. The premise behind the Hunger Plan was that Germany was not self-sufficient in food supplies, and to sustain the war and keep up the domestic morale it needed to obtain the food from conquered lands at any cost. It was an engineered famine, planned and implemented as an act of policy. This plan was developed during the planning phase for the Wehrmacht (German Armed Forces) invasion and provided for diverting of the Ukrainian food stuffs away from central and northern Russia and redirecting them for the benefit of the invading army and the population in Germany. The plan resulted in the deaths of millions of people.[1] The plan as a means of mass murder was outlined in several documents, including one that became known as Göring’s Green Folder, which quoted a number of “20 to 30 million” expected Russian deaths from “military actions and crises of food supply.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

    The Generalplan Ost (German pronunciation: [ɡenəˈʁaːlˌplaːn ˈɔst]; English: Master Plan for the East), abbreviated GPO, was the German government’s plan for the genocide and ethnic cleansing on a vast scale,[1] and colonization of Central and Eastern Europe by Germans.[2] It was to be undertaken in territories occupied by Germany during World War II.[1] The plan was partially realized during the war, resulting indirectly and directly in a very large number of deaths, but its full implementation was not considered practicable during the major military operations, and was prevented by Germany’s defeat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

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  100. syonredux says:
    @J.Ross
    The Vs were a response to much later terror bombing (their name in German was "revenge-weapon" [as in revenge for Bomber Harris's work] which starts with a V and is long enough to suggest abbreviation); around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace, but tons of good Englishmen were too, to include a certain crowned head.

    around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace,

    My understanding is that most historians think that the notion that “Hitler allowed the Brits to escape” is something of a postwar myth.

    By 24 May, the Germans had captured the port of Boulogne and surrounded Calais.[31] The engineers of the 2nd Panzer Division under Generalmajor Rudolf Veiel built five bridges over the Canal Line and only one British battalion barred the way to Dunkirk.[41] On 23 May, Rundstedt had ordered the panzer units to halt, concerned about the vulnerability of his flanks and the question of supply to his forward troops.[42][43][44] He was also concerned that the marshy ground around Dunkirk would prove unsuitable for tanks and he wished to conserve them for later operations (in some units, tank losses were 30–50 percent).[45][46] Hitler was also apprehensive, and on a visit to Army Group A headquarters on 24 May, he endorsed the order.[45]

    Air Marshal Hermann Göring urged Hitler to let the Luftwaffe (aided by Army Group B[47]) finish off the British, to the consternation of Halder, who noted in his diary that the Luftwaffe was dependent upon the weather and air crews were worn out after two weeks of battle.[48] Rundstedt issued another order, which was sent uncoded. It was picked up by the RAF Y service at 12:42: “By order of the Fuhrer … attack north-west of Arras is to be limited to the general line Lens-Bethune-Aire-St Omer-Gravelines. The Canal will not be crossed.”[49][50] Later that day, Hitler issued Directive 13, which called for the Luftwaffe to defeat the trapped Allied forces and stop their escape.[51] At 15:30 on 26 May, Hitler ordered the panzer groups to continue their advance, but most units took another 16 hours to attack.[52] The delay gave the Allies time to prepare defences vital for the evacuation and prevented the Germans from stopping the Allied retreat from Lille

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation#Battle_of_Dunkirk

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    There was a ding-dong between Hitler and the generals close to the action about Hitler's "stop" order. They didn't like it.

    I paraphrase the generals "The situation at Dunkirk is this. The quays are crowded with men, small boats arrive to take them to bigger ships offshore. All materiel is left behind. But we are not keen on finding these men, newly equipped, up against us later".
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  101. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Right, all 40 million people who watch the Oscars in the US are gay.

    I’m pretty sure he meant you have to be flaming gay to watch them if you’re a man.

    It checks out.

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    Thank you anon. And I’ve run the numbers.
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  102. Wilkey says:
    @Jack D
    Dunkirk - so boring that I couldn't sit thru it all the way. The opening scenes where everyone is standing out in the open waiting to be machine gunned by passing German fighter planes don't resemble any actual military history that I'm familiar with.

    Shape of Water: "Elisa Esposito was rendered mute by a neck injury she sustained as an infant, and communicates using sign language. Living alone in an apartment above a movie theater, she works as a janitor at a secret government laboratory in Baltimore during the Cold War in the early 1960s. Her two closest friends are her next door neighbor, Giles, who is an artist and closeted gay man, and Zelda, an African-American woman co-worker, who also serves as her interpreter at work." A Coalition of the Fringes trifecta!

    Call Me By Your Name - 2 gay guys make out with each other.

    3 Billboards - evil white men rape and kill women.

    Get Out - evil white people steal the souls of black people.

    The Post - Republicans are to blame even if Vietnam was a Democrat war.


    We are really screwed.

    Dunkirk – so boring that I couldn’t sit thru it all the way.

    Well if you didn’t sit through it all the way that explains why you didn’t like it. Dunkirk is a movie that truly comes together at the end, and there’s a big payoff for your patience.

    I have yet to see most of the other Best Picture nominees, including The Post, so I don’t know how it compares, but Dunkirk is damn fine. It’s big problem is that it’s nearly all white (I think there was a black French soldier in there somewhere) and nearly all male. With Weinsteingate still going and the Left still in a tantrum over Trump it’s easy to see a 99% white male World War II movie that doesn’t once mention Jews getting shut out.

    Dunkirk: a movie with no blacks, no women, and no Jews celebrating the courage of white Christian Anglo-Saxon men.

    The Post: a movie with a Jewish director and a female, half-Jewish protagonist celebrating a newspaper taking on a Republican president (though the expose is mostly about shit that predated Richard Nixon).

    Ergo: my money is on The Post. I wouldn’t be shocked, though, if a lot of Brits took Dunkirk’s defeat at the Oscars a bit personally, though – and they should.

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  103. syonredux says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    He probably resigned himself to it after the Wachowskis ripped it and Sebastien O off for The Matrix.

    Dunkirk should win as Nolan is indisputably the best director working in the business today and it will be more of an embarrassment for the Academy if they don't recognise that.

    My favourite movie of 2017 was easily Logan, not had a movie give me the feels as much since Schindler's List which is quite an accomplishment for a comic book movie based on a berserker mutant.

    He probably resigned himself to it after the Wachowskis ripped it and Sebastien O off for The Matrix.

    There was a fun exchange a while back where Alan Moore and Michael Moorcock accused Grant Morrison of ripping off their work. Morrison replied that that kind of talk was pretty funny, considering that Alan Moore’s career was largely built on using concepts/characters that were created by others (Supreme= Superman, Rorschach= Mr A and The Question, Tom Strong= Doc Savage, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, etc), and that Moorcock’s debt to the work of Edgar Rice Burroughs, Robert E Howard, and Anthony Skene was massive.

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    Most egregiously in Moore's case where he used characters from children's books (Alice from Alice in Wonderland, Dorothy from the Oz books) in Lost Girls, a rather tawdry and sick erotica comic.
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  104. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @J.Ross
    The Vs were a response to much later terror bombing (their name in German was "revenge-weapon" [as in revenge for Bomber Harris's work] which starts with a V and is long enough to suggest abbreviation); around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace, but tons of good Englishmen were too, to include a certain crowned head.

    They were in development longer as As (for Aggregate). E.g., the A-4 became the V-2.

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    Meaningless. All kinds of things were percolating at all times, including things that didn't pan out. It is undeniable that the German attitude toward England changed after the terror bombing.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    "Aggregat" in German. Development went back to 1933 (building on work by Goddard in the U.S. and the Society for Space Travel in Germany. Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow has a character who goes from the Society for Space Travel to the A4/V2 program.
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  105. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    They were in development longer as As (for Aggregate). E.g., the A-4 became the V-2.

    Meaningless. All kinds of things were percolating at all times, including things that didn’t pan out. It is undeniable that the German attitude toward England changed after the terror bombing.

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  106. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    They were in development longer as As (for Aggregate). E.g., the A-4 became the V-2.

    Aggregat” in German. Development went back to 1933 (building on work by Goddard in the U.S. and the Society for Space Travel in Germany. Pynchon’s Gravity’s Rainbow has a character who goes from the Society for Space Travel to the A4/V2 program.

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  107. @The Z Blog
    I watched Get Out off the Kodi machine last year. I was in the mood to be offended, but instead I laughed at the unintentional humor. Living around lots of blacks, I know they really believe in evil spirits and mysterious forces shaping reality. They really do think whites meet secretly to plot against black bodies.

    I also think the makers of the film sort of get that, so there was a fair bit of wink-wink stuff in it. Still, most blacks surely saw it as a horror movie, which I found humorous. That said, it was also a great send up of white liberals, which I doubt most white liberals understand. Blacks have no respect for race cucks.

    Comparing iSteve’s review of Get Out with this lulz review on Heartiste’s Gab t/l made for a few chuckles. You seem to be of similar mind…I’ll have to check it out, with expectations set to 2/10.

    https://gab.ai/NickKrauser/posts/18519380

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  108. Lot says:
    @guest
    "causalities would have been much much worse"

    Had the Germans been trying in earnest.

    The Germans did not expect their offensive to go so quickly.

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  109. Anon 2 says:

    Someone here once said that movies are just about the only
    thing the U.S. is exporting today.

    On the contrary, if Hollywood disappeared today, it wouldn’t even
    make a dent in the U.S. exports. The U.S. exports about $2.2 trillion
    in goods, and more in services. These include: machinery, aircraft,
    spacecraft, computers, vehicles, oil, gas, plastics, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, …
    The export surplus in arts and cultural commodities is only $10.4 billion.
    This includes: jewelry, silverware, movies, video services, etc.

    Hence, aside from the cultural propaganda (much of which today is garbage),
    movies contribute next to nothing to the American exports. At least back in the
    1950s -’60s Hollywood presented the United States as a beautiful and fascinating
    country (just think of all the musicals like Singin’ in the Rain or Oklahoma).
    The American optimism was infectious. Following World War II, it was precisely
    what the world needed. In contrast, America as seen through the eyes of Hollywood today
    is a country beset by guilt, devoid of optimism, unsure of itself, and rather pitiful.
    Certainly, not a country to emulate.

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    I am pretty sure the US runs deficits in most categories of merchandise exports with agriculture being the main exception. So movies and TV generating trade surpluses is pretty remarkable in the overall balance of trade with the rest of the world.
    , @peterike

    In contrast, America as seen through the eyes of Hollywood today is a country beset by guilt, devoid of optimism, unsure of itself, and rather pitiful. Certainly, not a country to emulate.

     

    Exactly. Which is why I find myself increasingly drawn toward Chinese and Korean films. It's amazing how different the mood is when films are made by proud and confident nations. Sure, they put out junk too (as well as many great films), but even the junk has redeeming qualities.

    Another thing I like: everyone in them is Chinese or Korean. Take the well done "based on a true story" Korean dramedy called "Cart." It takes place in basically a Korean Walmart, and is a very working-class film. But in that Korean Walmart.... everyone is Korean. Everyone. There is no multi-culturalism whatsoever. It's really amazing just to look at something like that. And then depressing to go any big box store in the U.S. and find a global sewer of people.

    And with Chinese and Korean films, you almost never get any miscegenation, which now you get with nearly every American film or television show.
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  110. Yngvar says:

    Gary Oldman – the worlds greatest actor – is finally getting recognition, after some of the people running Hollywood gets pegged down a bit.

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    "They truly are God's chosen people."
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  111. Unlike Steve, I enjoyed Get Out, although the interpretations (including the director’s) are ludicrous. It’s not best film-worthy, but then the Oscars have become increasingly meaningless. If I had to guess, I’d say 3 Billboards is best, but it is in the process of being shamed for not killing off Sam Rockwell, or putting him in jail or something.

    No one mentioned that Jesse Owens was too old for the plot! It should have been Harrison Dillard.

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  112. @syonredux

    He probably resigned himself to it after the Wachowskis ripped it and Sebastien O off for The Matrix.
     
    There was a fun exchange a while back where Alan Moore and Michael Moorcock accused Grant Morrison of ripping off their work. Morrison replied that that kind of talk was pretty funny, considering that Alan Moore's career was largely built on using concepts/characters that were created by others (Supreme= Superman, Rorschach= Mr A and The Question, Tom Strong= Doc Savage, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, etc), and that Moorcock's debt to the work of Edgar Rice Burroughs, Robert E Howard, and Anthony Skene was massive.

    Most egregiously in Moore’s case where he used characters from children’s books (Alice from Alice in Wonderland, Dorothy from the Oz books) in Lost Girls, a rather tawdry and sick erotica comic.

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  113. @Anon 2
    Someone here once said that movies are just about the only
    thing the U.S. is exporting today.

    On the contrary, if Hollywood disappeared today, it wouldn't even
    make a dent in the U.S. exports. The U.S. exports about $2.2 trillion
    in goods, and more in services. These include: machinery, aircraft,
    spacecraft, computers, vehicles, oil, gas, plastics, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, ...
    The export surplus in arts and cultural commodities is only $10.4 billion.
    This includes: jewelry, silverware, movies, video services, etc.

    Hence, aside from the cultural propaganda (much of which today is garbage),
    movies contribute next to nothing to the American exports. At least back in the
    1950s -'60s Hollywood presented the United States as a beautiful and fascinating
    country (just think of all the musicals like Singin' in the Rain or Oklahoma).
    The American optimism was infectious. Following World War II, it was precisely
    what the world needed. In contrast, America as seen through the eyes of Hollywood today
    is a country beset by guilt, devoid of optimism, unsure of itself, and rather pitiful.
    Certainly, not a country to emulate.

    I am pretty sure the US runs deficits in most categories of merchandise exports with agriculture being the main exception. So movies and TV generating trade surpluses is pretty remarkable in the overall balance of trade with the rest of the world.

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    The US has a big aircraft export sector. There is not much in the way of consumer goods but we still export high ticket industrial and medical equipment (Caterpillar bulldozers, MRI machines, etc.).
    , @Anon 2
    Movie exports amount to a rounding error in the U.S.
    balance of trade. 30-40 years ago it was still possible in every
    major American city to see British, French, Italian, Swedish,
    and occasional Russian or Polish movies. Today, with few
    exceptions, this is no longer possible. I would welcome more
    movie imports but Hollywood doesn't allow them.

    Similarly for book imports. The United States translates very few
    books these days as compared to 50 years ago. Culturally speaking,
    we're becoming an isolationist country.
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  114. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Yngvar
    Gary Oldman – the worlds greatest actor – is finally getting recognition, after some of the people running Hollywood gets pegged down a bit.

    “They truly are God’s chosen people.”

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  115. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Salon just provided one of the most hilariously bitchy and passive aggressive headlines I’ve ever seen.

    https://www.salon.com/2018/01/23/wonder-woman-oscars-snubbed/

    The Oscars shut out “Wonder Woman,” a film that never needed their validation anyway

    #Oscarssomale I suppose.

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  116. TheJester says:

    My wife and I took time out to see “Dunkirk” because I’m a military history buff and “Lady Bird” because we are fans of Saoirse Ronan from her performances in “Atonement” and “Brooklyn”.

    Both “Dunkirk” and “Ladybird” were disappointing. “Dunkirk” depicted a few heroic moments on the part of British officers. However, the British enlisted troops were shown as rabble running for their lives. (This was not their finest hour.) Where were the cameos of British troops grabbing rifles and heading for the perimeter to engage the Germans and help protect the rescue? These occurred … as confirmed in Wikipedia.

    “Lady Bird” promised to be a tale of a screwed up teenage girl that did not trade on stereotypes about screwed up teenage girls. However, it proved to be the stereotypical tale of a screwed up teenage girl caught in the hard place (identity issues) between being a clueless adolescent and a sexually promiscuous young woman trying to deal with her painful introduction to adult life.

    “Atonement” and “Brooklyn” proved that Ronan can produce a stellar performance with a good script and a good director. Unfortunately, the rest of her performances are “C” grade. “Lady Bird” was “C” grade.

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  117. Danindc says:
    @anon
    I'm pretty sure he meant you have to be flaming gay to watch them if you're a man.

    It checks out.

    Thank you anon. And I’ve run the numbers.

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  118. Lurker says:
    @Jack D
    Right - Hitler paused the attack out of a sense of fairness and good sportsmanship because he was really a nice guy and liked the British, although he is wrongly maligned by (((many))) nowadays. He liked the British so much that he later sent them V-1s and V-2s as presents.

    What really happened was that the German armor had outrun their infantry and they stopped for a couple of days to allow them to catch up. In the air, the British held them off and in the rear the British and the French fought fiercely enough to temporarily discombobulate the Germans the way the Battle of the Bulge temporarily slowed down the American advance later in the war. It was really only a few days but just enough to allow the evacuation to happen.

    Hitler paused the attack out of a sense of fairness and good sportsmanship because he was really a nice guy and liked the British

    Because allowing most of the BEF to escape was a magnanimous, diplomatic gesture. Opening the way to peace negotiations less tainted with total British defeat in France.

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    Right, when I think of Hitler, magnanimous and diplomatic are the 1st two words that come to mind. He was noted for his magnanimous diplomacy and his diplomatic magnanimity. Those two words totally capture his essence.
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  119. Jack D says:
    @Lurker

    Hitler paused the attack out of a sense of fairness and good sportsmanship because he was really a nice guy and liked the British
     
    Because allowing most of the BEF to escape was a magnanimous, diplomatic gesture. Opening the way to peace negotiations less tainted with total British defeat in France.

    Right, when I think of Hitler, magnanimous and diplomatic are the 1st two words that come to mind. He was noted for his magnanimous diplomacy and his diplomatic magnanimity. Those two words totally capture his essence.

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    If he had succeeded, you wouldn't be here writing about his lack of magnanimous diplomacy.
    , @Anon
    Well, he was obviously a very skilled diplomat. To deny that is just dumb.

    As for magnanimity, who knows? Those who knew him personally before the war, the Mosleys, Countess Ciano, and others, were very impressed by his personality; when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy, at least before he started degenerating at some point during the war. And his obsessions would probably not come into play regarding the British, whom he regarded as fellow Nordics, despite the anti-English sentiments current with many Germans at the time (and the anglophilic sentiments current with others).
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  120. Jack D says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    I am pretty sure the US runs deficits in most categories of merchandise exports with agriculture being the main exception. So movies and TV generating trade surpluses is pretty remarkable in the overall balance of trade with the rest of the world.

    The US has a big aircraft export sector. There is not much in the way of consumer goods but we still export high ticket industrial and medical equipment (Caterpillar bulldozers, MRI machines, etc.).

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  121. Anon 2 says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    I am pretty sure the US runs deficits in most categories of merchandise exports with agriculture being the main exception. So movies and TV generating trade surpluses is pretty remarkable in the overall balance of trade with the rest of the world.

    Movie exports amount to a rounding error in the U.S.
    balance of trade. 30-40 years ago it was still possible in every
    major American city to see British, French, Italian, Swedish,
    and occasional Russian or Polish movies. Today, with few
    exceptions, this is no longer possible. I would welcome more
    movie imports but Hollywood doesn’t allow them.

    Similarly for book imports. The United States translates very few
    books these days as compared to 50 years ago. Culturally speaking,
    we’re becoming an isolationist country.

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    30-40 years ago it was still possible in every major American city to see British, French, Italian, Swedish, and occasional Russian or Polish movies. Today, with few exceptions, this is no longer possible.

     

    That's what Netflix and Amazon are for. And also Film Struck if you want more of the classic stuff.
    , @guest
    You might have a point if the internet didn't exist. And if I ignored the fact that the last time I stepped foot in a bookstore it was like 90% Japanese.
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  122. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Right, when I think of Hitler, magnanimous and diplomatic are the 1st two words that come to mind. He was noted for his magnanimous diplomacy and his diplomatic magnanimity. Those two words totally capture his essence.

    If he had succeeded, you wouldn’t be here writing about his lack of magnanimous diplomacy.

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    If he had succeeded, you wouldn’t be here writing about his lack of magnanimous diplomacy.
     
    If Hitler had succeeded, the results would have been most unpleasant.....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
    , @Jack D
    Given that my father was down to 45 kilos at the end of the war and could not have made it thru too many more death marches, it was a close run thing. God bless the US Army. He was liberated on the same day that Hitler died - the end for one was the new beginning for the other.
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  123. Anon 2 says:

    With few exceptions, is there any reason to go out and see a movie
    anymore? Having Wikipedia plot outlines, trailers, and IMDb viewer
    reactions (though sharply curtailed recently) available online, one can
    save 10-15 bucks and still stay well informed these days. Given what we
    know about the horrors of the movie business (l’affaire Weinstein is obviously
    only the tip of the iceberg – Hollywood is carefully hiding the rest), I figure
    Hollywood no longer deserves my money. It has lost its reputation
    completely. TV viewership is also way down.

    Any topic you’re interested in, there are now countless videos available
    online free of charge. E.g., if you want to know what it’s like to live in
    Japan, hundreds of expatriates will show you in astonishing detail. Except
    for 3-5 pictures a year, movies these days are best left to the hoi polloi.

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  124. Anon 2 says:

    The number of movie tickets sold in the U.S. per capita
    is way down compared to even 20-30 years ago. Interestingly,
    on a per capita basis, Latinos are the biggest moviegoers. No
    wonder Hollywood is starting to cater to the Latino tastes.
    In contrast, white women see fewer movies than any other
    race/gender group. Not surprising, given the bad language,
    coarseness, and violence of today’s movies, and the virtual
    disappearance of romantic comedies. Where’s today’s Sleepless
    in Seattle or Wedding Crashers?

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  125. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Right, when I think of Hitler, magnanimous and diplomatic are the 1st two words that come to mind. He was noted for his magnanimous diplomacy and his diplomatic magnanimity. Those two words totally capture his essence.

    Well, he was obviously a very skilled diplomat. To deny that is just dumb.

    As for magnanimity, who knows? Those who knew him personally before the war, the Mosleys, Countess Ciano, and others, were very impressed by his personality; when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy, at least before he started degenerating at some point during the war. And his obsessions would probably not come into play regarding the British, whom he regarded as fellow Nordics, despite the anti-English sentiments current with many Germans at the time (and the anglophilic sentiments current with others).

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    As for magnanimity, who knows? Those who knew him personally before the war, the Mosleys, Countess Ciano, and others, were very impressed by his personality; when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,
     
    Unfortunately, one of Hitler's key obsessions involved creating a German Empire in the East.
    , @Jack D

    when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,
     
    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?
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  126. Truth says:
    @BenKenobi
    Black Panther: Best Documentary

    LOL we waited all the way until…comment #1 for this. When all one has is a hammer…

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  127. Truth says:

    Oh, BTW, I didn’ t go to the movies ONE time last year and don’t have premium cable. I wouldn’t have cable at all, but It’s wired in at my complex.

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  128. Brutusale says:
    @J.Ross
    I honestly enjoyed Dykes To Watch Out For, it's objectively well-written and well-designed if facile in its conclusions, so when Dykes creatrix Alison Bechtel endorsed a gay comic called The Curbside Boys I bought it expecting something like Dykes. But the Boys are not Dykes. The Dykes actually do things in their lives (like Mo's crusade against Barnes and Noble's) and have extensive political opinions. The Boys' every episode was
    gay guy 1 hooks up with gay guy 2
    gay guy 3 remarks upon how noteworthy this is (this is the "punch line")
    even though it's the only god-damned thing that ever happens in their literally navel-gazing little rut.
    So yeah it sounds like this flick is gays wishing their romantic pursuits were as complicated as those of straights.

    Life is what gay men do between having sex…a lot.

    Life is all gay women have because they don’t have sex.

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  129. “Some people are starting to notice that Ebbing, Missouri isn’t really as hate whitey as they at first assumed, which bodes ill for it in the second round voting.”

    Laconic Sailer at his best.

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  130. peterike says:
    @Anon 2
    Someone here once said that movies are just about the only
    thing the U.S. is exporting today.

    On the contrary, if Hollywood disappeared today, it wouldn't even
    make a dent in the U.S. exports. The U.S. exports about $2.2 trillion
    in goods, and more in services. These include: machinery, aircraft,
    spacecraft, computers, vehicles, oil, gas, plastics, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, ...
    The export surplus in arts and cultural commodities is only $10.4 billion.
    This includes: jewelry, silverware, movies, video services, etc.

    Hence, aside from the cultural propaganda (much of which today is garbage),
    movies contribute next to nothing to the American exports. At least back in the
    1950s -'60s Hollywood presented the United States as a beautiful and fascinating
    country (just think of all the musicals like Singin' in the Rain or Oklahoma).
    The American optimism was infectious. Following World War II, it was precisely
    what the world needed. In contrast, America as seen through the eyes of Hollywood today
    is a country beset by guilt, devoid of optimism, unsure of itself, and rather pitiful.
    Certainly, not a country to emulate.

    In contrast, America as seen through the eyes of Hollywood today is a country beset by guilt, devoid of optimism, unsure of itself, and rather pitiful. Certainly, not a country to emulate.

    Exactly. Which is why I find myself increasingly drawn toward Chinese and Korean films. It’s amazing how different the mood is when films are made by proud and confident nations. Sure, they put out junk too (as well as many great films), but even the junk has redeeming qualities.

    Another thing I like: everyone in them is Chinese or Korean. Take the well done “based on a true story” Korean dramedy called “Cart.” It takes place in basically a Korean Walmart, and is a very working-class film. But in that Korean Walmart…. everyone is Korean. Everyone. There is no multi-culturalism whatsoever. It’s really amazing just to look at something like that. And then depressing to go any big box store in the U.S. and find a global sewer of people.

    And with Chinese and Korean films, you almost never get any miscegenation, which now you get with nearly every American film or television show.

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    And with Chinese and Korean films, you almost never get any miscegenation
     
    That's got to be a little depressing for the white guy watching, doesn't it?
    , @Ali Choudhury
    I am in South Korea right now for a project. About 4% of the country's population (2m) is made up of foreigners with the biggest contingent (40%) being ethnic Koreans with Chinese citizenship. The annual rate of increase is about 14%, the foreigners contingent has doubled over the past decade. Most of the increase has been due to low and unskilled workers from south-east Asia and central Asia travelling here for work. There has actually been a fair amount of "miscegenation" here as about 20% of South Korean farmers and fishermen have been marrying south-east Asian women. Those marriages have a much higher failure rate than those between native Koreans. Not surprising as these are usually older men who are marrying and the Koreans can drink the Irish and Russians under a table without breaking a sweat. The Korean way of celebrating a birthday is to go on a serious drinking session then go back to work afterwards.

    Official government policy is to encourage the migration of highly skilled foreign professionals to make up for an ageing population and low birth rate. That doesn't seem likely to work as Korean working culture is even more extreme than American working culture and you can't really make any headway here if you are not an ethnic Korean.

    , @J.Ross
    There's a tawdry, adult anime series that ought be shameful to mention but isn't, and that's because Prison School is objectively far better written than any current American comedy TV show, and many dramas. Prison School aired on normal TV in Japan and, as men of taste, they're now working on a live action version. Many of the jokes are gross, but they're in a larger framework of a coherent society with functioning morality, and episodes of teen body anxiety here fit into an overall arc of (eventually) putting away childish things. Gross-out jokes in American comedy represent the writers not being able or willing to write a joke. They have no meaning (apart from the priest in the Mordecai mask ritually humiliating the priest in the Haman mask). The grasshopper subplot alone has better characterization and storytelling than anything an SNL alumnus or their Bangladeshi butler is capable of. This isn't even representative of better anime series like the relevant and scientifically serious Planetes, the Dunishly political and glorious faggy Heldensagen vom Kosmosinsel, the family-appropriate and values-perfect Girls und Panzer, or the fun and (insofar as I have watched) family-safe Yuru Yuri. Prison School is a tawdry adult series about nervous teenagers stumbling over, but eventually controlling, their horniness. The worst part is that the closest parallel in American pop culture would be movies about teenagers getting laid for the first time (Ridgemont High or Eskimo Limon) which have all the bad stuff and no maturation story.
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  131. peterike says:
    @Anon 2
    Movie exports amount to a rounding error in the U.S.
    balance of trade. 30-40 years ago it was still possible in every
    major American city to see British, French, Italian, Swedish,
    and occasional Russian or Polish movies. Today, with few
    exceptions, this is no longer possible. I would welcome more
    movie imports but Hollywood doesn't allow them.

    Similarly for book imports. The United States translates very few
    books these days as compared to 50 years ago. Culturally speaking,
    we're becoming an isolationist country.

    30-40 years ago it was still possible in every major American city to see British, French, Italian, Swedish, and occasional Russian or Polish movies. Today, with few exceptions, this is no longer possible.

    That’s what Netflix and Amazon are for. And also Film Struck if you want more of the classic stuff.

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  132. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    If he had succeeded, you wouldn't be here writing about his lack of magnanimous diplomacy.

    If he had succeeded, you wouldn’t be here writing about his lack of magnanimous diplomacy.

    If Hitler had succeeded, the results would have been most unpleasant…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

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  133. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    Well, he was obviously a very skilled diplomat. To deny that is just dumb.

    As for magnanimity, who knows? Those who knew him personally before the war, the Mosleys, Countess Ciano, and others, were very impressed by his personality; when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy, at least before he started degenerating at some point during the war. And his obsessions would probably not come into play regarding the British, whom he regarded as fellow Nordics, despite the anti-English sentiments current with many Germans at the time (and the anglophilic sentiments current with others).

    As for magnanimity, who knows? Those who knew him personally before the war, the Mosleys, Countess Ciano, and others, were very impressed by his personality; when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,

    Unfortunately, one of Hitler’s key obsessions involved creating a German Empire in the East.

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    True, but Britain and France happen to be west of Germany.
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  134. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous
    In an interview with IndieWire about the film, del Toro said, "This movie is a healing movie for me. ... For nine movies I rephrased the fears of my childhood, the dreams of my childhood, and this is the first time I speak as an adult, about something that worries me as an adult. I speak about trust, otherness, sex, love, where we're going...."[26]

    The big concept movie that hooks into the director’s (auteur’s) childhood. “Shape of Water” is just so much hokum to me, but his movies get funded because he gets an audience and 92% fresh rating at Sweet Tomatoes. Hate to do it, but I must respect him.

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  135. Truth says:
    @peterike

    In contrast, America as seen through the eyes of Hollywood today is a country beset by guilt, devoid of optimism, unsure of itself, and rather pitiful. Certainly, not a country to emulate.

     

    Exactly. Which is why I find myself increasingly drawn toward Chinese and Korean films. It's amazing how different the mood is when films are made by proud and confident nations. Sure, they put out junk too (as well as many great films), but even the junk has redeeming qualities.

    Another thing I like: everyone in them is Chinese or Korean. Take the well done "based on a true story" Korean dramedy called "Cart." It takes place in basically a Korean Walmart, and is a very working-class film. But in that Korean Walmart.... everyone is Korean. Everyone. There is no multi-culturalism whatsoever. It's really amazing just to look at something like that. And then depressing to go any big box store in the U.S. and find a global sewer of people.

    And with Chinese and Korean films, you almost never get any miscegenation, which now you get with nearly every American film or television show.

    And with Chinese and Korean films, you almost never get any miscegenation

    That’s got to be a little depressing for the white guy watching, doesn’t it?

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    Why?
    , @Peterike
    “That’s got to be a little depressing for the white guy watching, doesn’t it?”

    Ok now we’ve heard from the ignorant negro population. Anyone else?
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  136. @peterike

    In contrast, America as seen through the eyes of Hollywood today is a country beset by guilt, devoid of optimism, unsure of itself, and rather pitiful. Certainly, not a country to emulate.

     

    Exactly. Which is why I find myself increasingly drawn toward Chinese and Korean films. It's amazing how different the mood is when films are made by proud and confident nations. Sure, they put out junk too (as well as many great films), but even the junk has redeeming qualities.

    Another thing I like: everyone in them is Chinese or Korean. Take the well done "based on a true story" Korean dramedy called "Cart." It takes place in basically a Korean Walmart, and is a very working-class film. But in that Korean Walmart.... everyone is Korean. Everyone. There is no multi-culturalism whatsoever. It's really amazing just to look at something like that. And then depressing to go any big box store in the U.S. and find a global sewer of people.

    And with Chinese and Korean films, you almost never get any miscegenation, which now you get with nearly every American film or television show.

    I am in South Korea right now for a project. About 4% of the country’s population (2m) is made up of foreigners with the biggest contingent (40%) being ethnic Koreans with Chinese citizenship. The annual rate of increase is about 14%, the foreigners contingent has doubled over the past decade. Most of the increase has been due to low and unskilled workers from south-east Asia and central Asia travelling here for work. There has actually been a fair amount of “miscegenation” here as about 20% of South Korean farmers and fishermen have been marrying south-east Asian women. Those marriages have a much higher failure rate than those between native Koreans. Not surprising as these are usually older men who are marrying and the Koreans can drink the Irish and Russians under a table without breaking a sweat. The Korean way of celebrating a birthday is to go on a serious drinking session then go back to work afterwards.

    Official government policy is to encourage the migration of highly skilled foreign professionals to make up for an ageing population and low birth rate. That doesn’t seem likely to work as Korean working culture is even more extreme than American working culture and you can’t really make any headway here if you are not an ethnic Korean.

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  137. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    As for magnanimity, who knows? Those who knew him personally before the war, the Mosleys, Countess Ciano, and others, were very impressed by his personality; when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,
     
    Unfortunately, one of Hitler's key obsessions involved creating a German Empire in the East.

    True, but Britain and France happen to be west of Germany.

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    True, but Britain and France happen to be west of Germany.
     
    Yes, but they were not on board with Hitler's Imperial ambitions in the East....which meant that they had to be dealt with.....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_military_administration_in_occupied_France_during_World_War_II


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain
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  138. J.Ross says: • Website
    @peterike

    In contrast, America as seen through the eyes of Hollywood today is a country beset by guilt, devoid of optimism, unsure of itself, and rather pitiful. Certainly, not a country to emulate.

     

    Exactly. Which is why I find myself increasingly drawn toward Chinese and Korean films. It's amazing how different the mood is when films are made by proud and confident nations. Sure, they put out junk too (as well as many great films), but even the junk has redeeming qualities.

    Another thing I like: everyone in them is Chinese or Korean. Take the well done "based on a true story" Korean dramedy called "Cart." It takes place in basically a Korean Walmart, and is a very working-class film. But in that Korean Walmart.... everyone is Korean. Everyone. There is no multi-culturalism whatsoever. It's really amazing just to look at something like that. And then depressing to go any big box store in the U.S. and find a global sewer of people.

    And with Chinese and Korean films, you almost never get any miscegenation, which now you get with nearly every American film or television show.

    There’s a tawdry, adult anime series that ought be shameful to mention but isn’t, and that’s because Prison School is objectively far better written than any current American comedy TV show, and many dramas. Prison School aired on normal TV in Japan and, as men of taste, they’re now working on a live action version. Many of the jokes are gross, but they’re in a larger framework of a coherent society with functioning morality, and episodes of teen body anxiety here fit into an overall arc of (eventually) putting away childish things. Gross-out jokes in American comedy represent the writers not being able or willing to write a joke. They have no meaning (apart from the priest in the Mordecai mask ritually humiliating the priest in the Haman mask). The grasshopper subplot alone has better characterization and storytelling than anything an SNL alumnus or their Bangladeshi butler is capable of. This isn’t even representative of better anime series like the relevant and scientifically serious Planetes, the Dunishly political and glorious faggy Heldensagen vom Kosmosinsel, the family-appropriate and values-perfect Girls und Panzer, or the fun and (insofar as I have watched) family-safe Yuru Yuri. Prison School is a tawdry adult series about nervous teenagers stumbling over, but eventually controlling, their horniness. The worst part is that the closest parallel in American pop culture would be movies about teenagers getting laid for the first time (Ridgemont High or Eskimo Limon) which have all the bad stuff and no maturation story.

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  139. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Truth

    And with Chinese and Korean films, you almost never get any miscegenation
     
    That's got to be a little depressing for the white guy watching, doesn't it?

    Why?

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    Oh, you must be new here.

    Late registration homework, please catch up to the class:

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-nyt-on-the-alt-rights-asian-fetish/

    http://www.unz.com/forum/the-alt-rights-asian-fetish/#new_comments

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/dating-east-asian-girls-as-a-wn-rite-of-passage/
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  140. @Jack D
    Right - Hitler paused the attack out of a sense of fairness and good sportsmanship because he was really a nice guy and liked the British, although he is wrongly maligned by (((many))) nowadays. He liked the British so much that he later sent them V-1s and V-2s as presents.

    What really happened was that the German armor had outrun their infantry and they stopped for a couple of days to allow them to catch up. In the air, the British held them off and in the rear the British and the French fought fiercely enough to temporarily discombobulate the Germans the way the Battle of the Bulge temporarily slowed down the American advance later in the war. It was really only a few days but just enough to allow the evacuation to happen.

    Would everyone please note that Jack D has used the triple parentheses correctly, and therefore rather (no, much) more cleverly than those who insist upon using them around obviously Jewish names?

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    And while sarcastic. It's the paradox of him and Art: they're objectively brilliant but with a huge blind spot (the key is to let them hasbarize rather than trying to correct them). Since true universal objectivity is impossible, this is the height of wit, until sexbots reach the third generation and an electronic Kate Bush triggers the singularity.
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  141. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    True, but Britain and France happen to be west of Germany.

    True, but Britain and France happen to be west of Germany.

    Yes, but they were not on board with Hitler’s Imperial ambitions in the East….which meant that they had to be dealt with…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_military_administration_in_occupied_France_during_World_War_II

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain

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  142. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Old Palo Altan
    Would everyone please note that Jack D has used the triple parentheses correctly, and therefore rather (no, much) more cleverly than those who insist upon using them around obviously Jewish names?

    And while sarcastic. It’s the paradox of him and Art: they’re objectively brilliant but with a huge blind spot (the key is to let them hasbarize rather than trying to correct them). Since true universal objectivity is impossible, this is the height of wit, until sexbots reach the third generation and an electronic Kate Bush triggers the singularity.

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  143. guest says:
    @Anon 2
    Movie exports amount to a rounding error in the U.S.
    balance of trade. 30-40 years ago it was still possible in every
    major American city to see British, French, Italian, Swedish,
    and occasional Russian or Polish movies. Today, with few
    exceptions, this is no longer possible. I would welcome more
    movie imports but Hollywood doesn't allow them.

    Similarly for book imports. The United States translates very few
    books these days as compared to 50 years ago. Culturally speaking,
    we're becoming an isolationist country.

    You might have a point if the internet didn’t exist. And if I ignored the fact that the last time I stepped foot in a bookstore it was like 90% Japanese.

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  144. @syonredux

    Black Panther: Best Documentary
     
    Yeah, bigots. This is what an Africa untainted by Europeans would look like:

    http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Wakanda.jpg

    “Yeah, bigots. This is what an Africa untainted by Europeans would look like….”

    What, the favelas in the background?

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  145. Truth says:
    @J.Ross
    Why?
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    Babble and namecalling and, uniquely on this topic, questionable sources. Are Derb and Karlin aware that they are "alt-right," not in the thoroughly unused sense copyrighted by Richard Spencer, but in the sense that everyone actually uses: the variegated political grab bag outside of GOP good graces and recognizing HBD? In Derb's case he's fallen for the second imposed criterion (which I notice applies to some and not to others, just like all the completely baseless and ignorant babble some position-inheritor in Manhattan decided about the so-called alt-right). In that way he is safe from what would seem to be the plurality alt-right preference given what I had seen, which doesn't involve East Asian women, or any women.
    But let's not stop there, tell me, what have Andrew Sullivan and Brook Gladstone divined about the alt-right by pouring molten lead into snow during their sleepover in the New Yorker lobby?
    Very confident of you to decide how other people's minds work, and dictate to them what they think. Since my real question was why, regardless of the real or fantasy preferences of audience members, any of that would have to show up in the story, I now have to wonder what sort of thing you watch.
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  146. @syonredux

    around Dunkirk not only was Hitler considering a separate peace,
     
    My understanding is that most historians think that the notion that "Hitler allowed the Brits to escape" is something of a postwar myth.

    By 24 May, the Germans had captured the port of Boulogne and surrounded Calais.[31] The engineers of the 2nd Panzer Division under Generalmajor Rudolf Veiel built five bridges over the Canal Line and only one British battalion barred the way to Dunkirk.[41] On 23 May, Rundstedt had ordered the panzer units to halt, concerned about the vulnerability of his flanks and the question of supply to his forward troops.[42][43][44] He was also concerned that the marshy ground around Dunkirk would prove unsuitable for tanks and he wished to conserve them for later operations (in some units, tank losses were 30–50 percent).[45][46] Hitler was also apprehensive, and on a visit to Army Group A headquarters on 24 May, he endorsed the order.[45]

    Air Marshal Hermann Göring urged Hitler to let the Luftwaffe (aided by Army Group B[47]) finish off the British, to the consternation of Halder, who noted in his diary that the Luftwaffe was dependent upon the weather and air crews were worn out after two weeks of battle.[48] Rundstedt issued another order, which was sent uncoded. It was picked up by the RAF Y service at 12:42: "By order of the Fuhrer ... attack north-west of Arras is to be limited to the general line Lens-Bethune-Aire-St Omer-Gravelines. The Canal will not be crossed."[49][50] Later that day, Hitler issued Directive 13, which called for the Luftwaffe to defeat the trapped Allied forces and stop their escape.[51] At 15:30 on 26 May, Hitler ordered the panzer groups to continue their advance, but most units took another 16 hours to attack.[52] The delay gave the Allies time to prepare defences vital for the evacuation and prevented the Germans from stopping the Allied retreat from Lille
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation#Battle_of_Dunkirk

    There was a ding-dong between Hitler and the generals close to the action about Hitler’s “stop” order. They didn’t like it.

    I paraphrase the generals “The situation at Dunkirk is this. The quays are crowded with men, small boats arrive to take them to bigger ships offshore. All materiel is left behind. But we are not keen on finding these men, newly equipped, up against us later“.

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    Hitler in May 1940 had his eyes on the prize that had eluded the German Army for four and a half years in 1914-1918: Paris.
    , @syonredux

    There was a ding-dong between Hitler and the generals close to the action about Hitler’s “stop” order. They didn’t like it.

    I paraphrase the generals “The situation at Dunkirk is this. The quays are crowded with men, small boats arrive to take them to bigger ships offshore. All materiel is left behind. But we are not keen on finding these men, newly equipped, up against us later“.
     
    Dunno.

    On 23 May, Rundstedt had ordered the panzer units to halt, concerned about the vulnerability of his flanks and the question of supply to his forward troops.[42][43][44] He was also concerned that the marshy ground around Dunkirk would prove unsuitable for tanks and he wished to conserve them for later operations (in some units, tank losses were 30–50 percent).[45][46] Hitler was also apprehensive, and on a visit to Army Group A headquarters on 24 May, he endorsed the order.[45]
     
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  147. @YetAnotherAnon
    There was a ding-dong between Hitler and the generals close to the action about Hitler's "stop" order. They didn't like it.

    I paraphrase the generals "The situation at Dunkirk is this. The quays are crowded with men, small boats arrive to take them to bigger ships offshore. All materiel is left behind. But we are not keen on finding these men, newly equipped, up against us later".

    Hitler in May 1940 had his eyes on the prize that had eluded the German Army for four and a half years in 1914-1918: Paris.

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  148. syonredux says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    There was a ding-dong between Hitler and the generals close to the action about Hitler's "stop" order. They didn't like it.

    I paraphrase the generals "The situation at Dunkirk is this. The quays are crowded with men, small boats arrive to take them to bigger ships offshore. All materiel is left behind. But we are not keen on finding these men, newly equipped, up against us later".

    There was a ding-dong between Hitler and the generals close to the action about Hitler’s “stop” order. They didn’t like it.

    I paraphrase the generals “The situation at Dunkirk is this. The quays are crowded with men, small boats arrive to take them to bigger ships offshore. All materiel is left behind. But we are not keen on finding these men, newly equipped, up against us later“.

    Dunno.

    On 23 May, Rundstedt had ordered the panzer units to halt, concerned about the vulnerability of his flanks and the question of supply to his forward troops.[42][43][44] He was also concerned that the marshy ground around Dunkirk would prove unsuitable for tanks and he wished to conserve them for later operations (in some units, tank losses were 30–50 percent).[45][46] Hitler was also apprehensive, and on a visit to Army Group A headquarters on 24 May, he endorsed the order.[45]

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  149. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    If he had succeeded, you wouldn't be here writing about his lack of magnanimous diplomacy.

    Given that my father was down to 45 kilos at the end of the war and could not have made it thru too many more death marches, it was a close run thing. God bless the US Army. He was liberated on the same day that Hitler died – the end for one was the new beginning for the other.

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  150. Peterike says:
    @Truth

    And with Chinese and Korean films, you almost never get any miscegenation
     
    That's got to be a little depressing for the white guy watching, doesn't it?

    “That’s got to be a little depressing for the white guy watching, doesn’t it?”

    Ok now we’ve heard from the ignorant negro population. Anyone else?

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  151. Jack D says:
    @Anon
    Well, he was obviously a very skilled diplomat. To deny that is just dumb.

    As for magnanimity, who knows? Those who knew him personally before the war, the Mosleys, Countess Ciano, and others, were very impressed by his personality; when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy, at least before he started degenerating at some point during the war. And his obsessions would probably not come into play regarding the British, whom he regarded as fellow Nordics, despite the anti-English sentiments current with many Germans at the time (and the anglophilic sentiments current with others).

    when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?

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    when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?
     
    Indeed. Hitler's entire career was about his obsessions: creating a Germanic Empire in the East, cleansing Europe of races that he deemed dangerous/inferior (Slavs, Jews,etc).....
    , @Anon
    The point being, obviously, that displays of magnanimity would not be out of character.

    Did I say I was in favor of Hitler? I did not say I was in favor of Hitler. Reading comp. comes in handy sometimes.
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  152. syonredux says:
    @Jack D

    when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,
     
    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?

    when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?

    Indeed. Hitler’s entire career was about his obsessions: creating a Germanic Empire in the East, cleansing Europe of races that he deemed dangerous/inferior (Slavs, Jews,etc)…..

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    No, this was a part of his career, most of it done as he increasingly degenerated into near- insanity.
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  153. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,
     
    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?

    The point being, obviously, that displays of magnanimity would not be out of character.

    Did I say I was in favor of Hitler? I did not say I was in favor of Hitler. Reading comp. comes in handy sometimes.

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  154. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    when his obsessions were not in play he seems to have been an okay sort of guy,

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?
     
    Indeed. Hitler's entire career was about his obsessions: creating a Germanic Empire in the East, cleansing Europe of races that he deemed dangerous/inferior (Slavs, Jews,etc).....

    No, this was a part of his career, most of it done as he increasingly degenerated into near- insanity.

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    No, this was a part of his career, most of it done as he increasingly degenerated into near- insanity.
     
    Dunno. Hitler's main goals (purging Europe of racial "undesirables" and creating an Empire in the East) were part of his Weltanschauung since at least the 1920s....
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  155. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Truth
    Oh, you must be new here.

    Late registration homework, please catch up to the class:

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-nyt-on-the-alt-rights-asian-fetish/

    http://www.unz.com/forum/the-alt-rights-asian-fetish/#new_comments

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/dating-east-asian-girls-as-a-wn-rite-of-passage/

    Babble and namecalling and, uniquely on this topic, questionable sources. Are Derb and Karlin aware that they are “alt-right,” not in the thoroughly unused sense copyrighted by Richard Spencer, but in the sense that everyone actually uses: the variegated political grab bag outside of GOP good graces and recognizing HBD? In Derb’s case he’s fallen for the second imposed criterion (which I notice applies to some and not to others, just like all the completely baseless and ignorant babble some position-inheritor in Manhattan decided about the so-called alt-right). In that way he is safe from what would seem to be the plurality alt-right preference given what I had seen, which doesn’t involve East Asian women, or any women.
    But let’s not stop there, tell me, what have Andrew Sullivan and Brook Gladstone divined about the alt-right by pouring molten lead into snow during their sleepover in the New Yorker lobby?
    Very confident of you to decide how other people’s minds work, and dictate to them what they think. Since my real question was why, regardless of the real or fantasy preferences of audience members, any of that would have to show up in the story, I now have to wonder what sort of thing you watch.

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  156. Anon87 says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Bone Tomahawk director and writer Craig Zahler has a new movie starring Vince Vaughn in which Vaughn's character uses the word SHITHOLE. This further reinforces the widely-held belief that President Trump has an amazing ability to perfectly sense the cultural and political atmosphere in the United States.

    Vince Vaughn is in the new movie Brawl In Cell Block 99

    President Trump's alleged use of the word SHITHOLE to describe certain Third World countries was a lightning rod that set off big political fireworks. Trump is Tesla with words.

    Vince Vaughn character:

    "No I'm gonna drive packages for a friend. I want us in a better home than this SHITHOLE."

    Loved this movie. Slower paced like Bone Tomahawk, but the violence also explodes in the second half. Can’t wait for his next one with mad Mel.

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  157. Anon87 says:
    @Pat Casey
    The best movie I saw last year besides Dunkirk was Wind River.

    It wasn’t bad, but as a director not as strong as his previous written work. I’d still say top 10 (if I could scrape together 10 movies to fill out a list).

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  158. MBlanc46 says:
    @jJay
    "The Diary of Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul". It went right to streaming. It's pitch perfect 12yo boy humor and much better than the other Wimpy Kid movies. The Long Haul avoids the 'coming of age' problem: noticing girls. That subject has been beaten to death. It's well written and mostly well acted with fart jokes across a low-budget vacation story line.

    I thought is was refreshing for the absence of any political message. These days you are supposed to be politically woke at age 8 and stay at home with your mom and dad until you are 26. There is no room for normal 12 yo boys in that situation.

    It doesn’t appear that there’s room for normal 12 year old boys in any situation in the 21st century West.

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  159. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    No, this was a part of his career, most of it done as he increasingly degenerated into near- insanity.

    No, this was a part of his career, most of it done as he increasingly degenerated into near- insanity.

    Dunno. Hitler’s main goals (purging Europe of racial “undesirables” and creating an Empire in the East) were part of his Weltanschauung since at least the 1920s….

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    Well, it's not really my fight. Argue it out with this guy: https://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Hitler-Unnecessary-War-Britain/dp/0307405168
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  160. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    No, this was a part of his career, most of it done as he increasingly degenerated into near- insanity.
     
    Dunno. Hitler's main goals (purging Europe of racial "undesirables" and creating an Empire in the East) were part of his Weltanschauung since at least the 1920s....

    Well, it’s not really my fight. Argue it out with this guy: https://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Hitler-Unnecessary-War-Britain/dp/0307405168

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