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In rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic news, from the New York Times:

European Union Ministers Approve Plan to Distribute Refugees
By JAMES KANTER SEPT. 22, 2015

BRUSSELS — European Union ministers approved a plan on Tuesday that compels member countries to take in 120,000 migrants seeking refuge on the Continent, despite strong objections from four dissident nations in Central Europe.

The plan to apportion the migrants, still only a small fraction of those flowing into Europe, was approved by home affairs and interior ministers of the member countries after a vigorous debate.

In a departure from normal procedures that emphasize consensus, particularly on questions of national sovereignty, the ministers took a formal vote. The Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia voted no. Finland abstained.

As a legal matter, however, the plan is final and must be carried out even if those countries oppose it. …

The crisis has tested the limits of Europe’s ability to forge consensus on one of the most divisive issues to confront the union since the fall of communism. It has set right-wing politicians, including those who govern Hungary, against Pan-European humanitarians, who have portrayed the crisis in stark moral terms.

“We would have preferred to have adoption by consensus, but we did not manage to achieve that,” Jean Asselborn, the foreign minister of Luxembourg, said after the meeting. He urged the countries that had voted no to comply with the decision. “I have no doubt they will implement these decisions fully,” he said.

Mr. Asselborn generated some confusion earlier on Tuesday when he said that the member states had agreed to take their allocations of migrants on a “voluntary” basis. Pressed on whether the countries that dissented would also have to accept the migrants, he responded, “Nobody has the right not to agree.”

Like in Orwell’s Newspeak, in EUspeak, “voluntary” means “Nobody has the right not to agree.”

It appears that one point of this manufactured crisis is to establish precedents diminishing national sovereignty. In other words, the “migrant crisis” is intended to facilitate an EU superstate coup.

Another factor that had been holding up a deal was the reluctance of a number of countries to hand over control of immigration to the European Commission, the Brussels-based executive agency for the European Union, which drew up the plans for the mandatory system.

 
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  1. As Yogi Berra might have said, “If George Orwell were alive today, he’d be rolling over in his grave”.

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  2. AndrewR says:

    Not defending this per se but didn’t these countries knowingly and voluntarily cede a large part of their sovereignty when they joined the EU? They wanted the goodies and now they’re getting the badies

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    • Replies: @Bert
    I have to agree. It sucks that this is happening to unwilling nations but they had to have known this was a possibility when they joined in the first place.

    If Viktor Orban really wants to be a hero he'll withdraw from the EU, but I don't anticipate that happening.
    , @Erik Sieven
    they should call Putin for help. Get out of Nato and EU.
    , @jimbojones
    I think you are quite right... I think the feeling in the weaker European countries was that all of Europe would become one big happy Germany, or at least France or Britain. It didn't occur to them that Germany liked being top dog and liked the rest of Europe the way it was - economically weaker than Germany. Though it is tempting to accuse Germany of lack of generosity, it would perhaps be fairer to accuse the weaker EU nations of extreme naivete.
    , @Olorin
    Naivete? After the 20th century and a 40-year world war?

    What they wanted was to yoke the Germans for all time. Christ, hasn't that been the goal for the past 100 years--hating and punishing The Hun (etc.) for having the genome to create the most advanced and functional societies no matter how many times other European nations (I'm looking at you, Britain and France) embark on a campaign of firebombing, starving, and mass raping them into oblivion.

    " In other words, the “migrant crisis” is intended to facilitate an EU superstate coup."

    The EU *is* a coup. The crisis was engineered to flex the Brussels muscles. C'mon, a year or two ago, the EU was on the edge of dissolution. Now, suddenly, it's all about the poor refugee migrants, and the EU reminding its nations they're bottoms.
    , @anon
    No they didn't.

    Their political and media class lied to them.
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  3. rvg says:

    I wonder what a Germanized Islamic state will look like. I wonder if the people here prefer an Islamic, or at least Islamized state with the demographics of Australia in 1950 or a secular state with the demographics of Brazil if those are the only 2 options available? What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>

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    • Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch
    We won't have to wait long to find out.
    , @Jefferson
    "What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like"

    None of the Muslim refugees pouring into Germany have Nordic German looking phenotypes. They are all swarthy black haired and dark brown haired people with Middle Eastern looking phenotypes. Many even have South Asian looking phenotypes

    So where the hell are you getting this idea of a future Islamic Germany where 98 percent of the population still have Germanic looking phenotypes?

    Like I said in another Steve blog, in the future Germany is going to be less Blonde than Portugal.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>
     
    Germans like their sausage too much. (Not to mention their beer.)

    There was a discussion on Lawrence Auster's site in its last year or two about how few things were as strong a shield against the spread of Islam than a taste for pork.

    Have you hugged your pig today?
    , @German_reader
    It won't be an 98% ethnic German state...Germany's ethnic German population is already far lower than that. And personally I think I'd rather go with Brazil (not that terrible a country anyway) than an Islamicized ex-Western state.
    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    I think we won't see islamized Germany or any other Western European state for some time. Islamized in a sense that there is Sharia law. There is still not enough of Muslims in Europe.

    What we will see in my opinion is a balkanized Europe, with lower social trust, small closed communities nested among sea of atomized individuals, a lot of informal no-go areas depending on your race and ethnicity. Everything will be governed by increasingly powerful and pervasive transnational bureaucracy, which paradoxically will at he same time be unable to govern many areas - like law enforcement in aforementioned closed communities. Expect a lot of "propaganda of success" about successful integration of yet another batch of migrants from Africa, and posters on dilapidated walls depicting smiling children from many races playing happily together. Also - gay prides will mysteriously disappear. Everything will cost more and everyday living will resemble walking through mine fields.
    , @anon
    That won't happen.

    What will happen is what happened in the US but faster - lots of localized violence among the young in and around the schools which the media will cover up leading to lots of white flight to an ever shrinking living space with the cleansed areas transforming into a replica of whatever region the new people came from.
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  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT, but this is some high quality Sailer-bait:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/books/ta-nehisi-coates-to-write-black-panther-comic-for-marvel.html?_r=1

    I can’t wait to see how this turns out.

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  5. There is a simple, face-saving workaround.

    All refugees will be offered residence in Denmark, one of the most prosperous and stable members of the EU. They will readily agree to this.

    Once they reach Danish ports, transfer them to large ships of all kinds bound for the emptiest corner of the least crowded of the Danish islands, Knud Rasmussen Land.

    Hvad er ikke at lige?

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    Beautiful:)
    , @pyrrhus
    Now that's the kind of creative (hate) thought we need in this world! Of course, the EU will do the opposite...
    , @Olorin
    To hell with that.

    We're saving that for us Americans and Europeans of proven Viking DNA.

    ;D
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  6. This is the type of thing that breaks the EU and brings anti-immigration parties to power.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I wish, but...

    It appears that one point of this manufactured crisis is to establish precedents diminishing national sovereignty. In other words, the “migrant crisis” is intended to facilitate an EU superstate coup
     
    ... I agree with Steve. One way to undercut right-wing activism is to take away all the issues by making everything a fait accompli. Don't want your country overrun by foreigners? Too late!! No point voting for that anti-immigration candidate now!!
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  7. WIlkey says:

    “It appears that one point of this manufactured crisis is to establish precedents diminishing national sovereignty. In other words, the “migrant crisis” is intended to facilitate an EU superstate coup.”

    That, or they’re just winging it, and don’t know what the hell they’re doing.

    In a 28 nation federation, elections are always around the corner somewhere. Perhaps EU leaders they took inspiration from the way the Greeks embraced national suicide in the latest election, where Greeks embraced national suicide. But one of those upcoming elections – assuming David Cameron keeps his promise – is in the UK, and it will tackle the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU. Unlike Hungary, the UK is big enough and rich enough to give the EU the middle finger.

    Perpetually throwing around their weight is not a good way to encourage the Brits to stay.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyGeo
    Do they use the middle finger?

    http://www.classicheadlines.co.uk/up-yours-delors/?doing_wp_cron=1442041537.5256309509277343750000
    , @Sean
    Cameron has one non negotiable demand: his banker pals in the City, who he used to be a PR man for, must be allowed to operate without hindrance from Eurocrats and stupid Germans in Dusseldorf. The EU sceptics help him to get concessions, but he is not going to leave.

    Re Have you hugged your pig today? "British Prime Minister and an obscene act with a dead pig'. His snorting years must have been a mark of respect.

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  8. Bert says:
    @AndrewR
    Not defending this per se but didn't these countries knowingly and voluntarily cede a large part of their sovereignty when they joined the EU? They wanted the goodies and now they're getting the badies

    I have to agree. It sucks that this is happening to unwilling nations but they had to have known this was a possibility when they joined in the first place.

    If Viktor Orban really wants to be a hero he’ll withdraw from the EU, but I don’t anticipate that happening.

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    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "If Viktor Orban really wants to be a hero he’ll withdraw from the EU, but I don’t anticipate that happening."

    He can always just defy the EU. I doubt they'd send in the Army, like Eisenhower did in Little Rock. Can EU economic sanctions actually hurt worse than absorbing 50-100K+ Muslim immigrants per year? The data suggests not.
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  9. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is the type of thing that breaks the EU and brings anti-immigration parties to power.

    I wish, but…

    It appears that one point of this manufactured crisis is to establish precedents diminishing national sovereignty. In other words, the “migrant crisis” is intended to facilitate an EU superstate coup

    … I agree with Steve. One way to undercut right-wing activism is to take away all the issues by making everything a fait accompli. Don’t want your country overrun by foreigners? Too late!! No point voting for that anti-immigration candidate now!!

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    • Replies: @rod1963
    Sort of, Steve's "bums rush" method does work, but Europe has been exposed to the Muslim plague for years, they know what these people are and don't really like them, but they weren't sufficient of a threat to get people organized in opposition. Now with a giant smelly, violent infestation of them on their doorstep that is already attacking the natives of Europe. It's forcing the nations and people to confront it, not rollover(with the exception of Germany/Austria). It's pushing people in a corner and p***ing them off. Especially the East Europeans who still have a back bone and can put together a military quite fast if need be.

    All it will take is a large and violent demonstration by Muzzies to get that ball rolling and that is coming. It can not but happen. Merkel set the stage for it. There already have been demonstrations demanding the imposition of Shariah law and the Caliphate. If they see cowardice on the part of the government it will be seen as a green light to escalate and rapidly.

    From what I just read on various anti-jihad sources even the German people have had it with Merkel - she is booed every time she makes a public appearance now, she is scared enough to hire agents to scan Facebook for German critics of her regime and shut them down.

    Note most will not be reported on in the MSM - there already is a media blackout on immigrant crimes to begin with. It will have to be obtained via local bloggers and the like.

    Things are moving fast now. What course the Euro states take is now dependent on the Muslim mass.
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  10. It’s difficult to think of actions that the EU could take that would do more to improve the British No to Europe movement’s prospects.

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  11. Reflecting on the importance of language, we see in this piece another example why we always lose: It’s “right-wing politicians” vs. “humanitarians”. Gee, I wonder which side is the good guys?

    It’s just like in this country. We have “the religious right” or “hardcore conservatives” who respond to “red meat” and “hot button” issues, against “advocates for civil rights (or women’s health or the environment)”. It’s all in the language.

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    It’s just like in this country. We have “the religious right” or “hardcore conservatives” who respond to “red meat” and “hot button” issues, against “advocates for civil rights (or women’s health or the environment)”. It’s all in the language.
     
    It's pervasive and once you're attuned you'll see it everywhere. The obamacare issue was posed to conservatives, "Why are you opposed to healthcare?" African supremacy is, "Do you oppose civil rights for Africans?" Invasion becomes, "Are you opposed to helping refugees?" Or, "Why do you oppose immigration reform?"

    The leftists' control of media has enabled their total control of political language. Trump (and now Carson following in his shadow) upsets that model because of the huge audience he has and his immunity to the penalties normally imposed on violators. Carson has the whip hand since he is retired and cannot be called "racist."
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  12. Oh good, I’m glad they’re making sure to completely ruin every part of Europe. In the U.S. there are still some distressingly non-vibrant places.

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  13. Wilkey says:

    “Mr. Stanzel, the former German ambassador, said he was convinced that Europe would work out an arrangement, which will probably include reception centers in front-line countries like Greece, Hungary and Italy to feed, house and screen migrants and asylum seekers, and then distribute legitimate refugees to member countries.”

    They’re not just addressing the migrants already in Europe. They’re creating a plan to facilitate the influx of millions more.

    This catastrophe is far from over.

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  14. JohnnyGeo says:
    @WIlkey
    "It appears that one point of this manufactured crisis is to establish precedents diminishing national sovereignty. In other words, the “migrant crisis” is intended to facilitate an EU superstate coup."

    That, or they're just winging it, and don't know what the hell they're doing.

    In a 28 nation federation, elections are always around the corner somewhere. Perhaps EU leaders they took inspiration from the way the Greeks embraced national suicide in the latest election, where Greeks embraced national suicide. But one of those upcoming elections - assuming David Cameron keeps his promise - is in the UK, and it will tackle the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU. Unlike Hungary, the UK is big enough and rich enough to give the EU the middle finger.

    Perpetually throwing around their weight is not a good way to encourage the Brits to stay.

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  15. @rvg
    I wonder what a Germanized Islamic state will look like. I wonder if the people here prefer an Islamic, or at least Islamized state with the demographics of Australia in 1950 or a secular state with the demographics of Brazil if those are the only 2 options available? What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>

    We won’t have to wait long to find out.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "We won’t have to wait long to find out."

    No we are never going to find out what a Blond Nordic Germany under Islamic law looks like, because the Muslim refugees pouring into Germany look quite different in phenotype from native Ethnic Germans.
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  16. Just curious, why isn’t the UK included in this quota plan? Are they able to opt out somehow?

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Just curious, why isn’t the UK included in this quota plan?
     
    Maybe for the same reason residents of Tennessee were exempt from the draft in 1917. They'd already filled their quota voluntarily.

    "We gave at the office."

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  17. Whiskey says: • Website

    Paging Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin ….

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  18. Eric says:

    What sort of hard force does the EU have if Hungary tells them to go to hell?
    “You have made your decision, now let’s see you enforce it.” Where’s Andy Jackson when you need him?

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    • Replies: @rvg
    Expulsion from the EU and trade embargoes, travel bans, and frozen accounts against Hungarian businesses and politicians?
    , @Billp
    They won't have to use hard force. There was an article that explained that any reluctant (most likely poorer)states would be compelled to drink their share of the poison by either denying them funds or offering them payment for each precious immigrant head they accept, meaning there will be no stopping the tide, short of a real populist uprising in Europe.

    It very much reminds me of how the US feds bribe church charities to help with their population replacement schemes here...

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  19. Felix says:

    Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. They will ensure that every single chunk of territory that has ever been majority white is drowned with dark or yellow people. I predict that what was gradually forced on western Europe and the usa over the last half centry will be rapidly accelerated in eastern Europe over little more than a decade. They also completely own the Ukraine now, but ironically, the sadistic pleasure they’re taking from raping that country means that they can’t invade it with immigrants because there is no incentive for the invaders to come, save for the occasional Turkish sex tourist. Of course, Ukraine is still better than Africa, and since women seems to be one of the main motivation for the invading hordes, even the Ukraine is probably not safe in the long run.

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  20. What affect does this have on the desire of people of Ukraine to align themselves with the West? If Ukraine stays with Russia if would not be forced to take any migrants.

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    "If Ukraine stays with Russia if would not be forced to take any migrants."

    Stays with Russia? The Ukraine has already screwed that up....not in the cards.
    , @LondonBob
    The Galicians would cut off their own nose to spite the Russians.

    The EU is unraveling spectacularly.
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  21. Jefferson says:
    @rvg
    I wonder what a Germanized Islamic state will look like. I wonder if the people here prefer an Islamic, or at least Islamized state with the demographics of Australia in 1950 or a secular state with the demographics of Brazil if those are the only 2 options available? What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>

    “What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like”

    None of the Muslim refugees pouring into Germany have Nordic German looking phenotypes. They are all swarthy black haired and dark brown haired people with Middle Eastern looking phenotypes. Many even have South Asian looking phenotypes

    So where the hell are you getting this idea of a future Islamic Germany where 98 percent of the population still have Germanic looking phenotypes?

    Like I said in another Steve blog, in the future Germany is going to be less Blonde than Portugal.

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  22. rvg says:
    @Eric
    What sort of hard force does the EU have if Hungary tells them to go to hell?
    "You have made your decision, now let's see you enforce it." Where's Andy Jackson when you need him?

    Expulsion from the EU and trade embargoes, travel bans, and frozen accounts against Hungarian businesses and politicians?

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    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Expulsion from the EU and trade embargoes, travel bans, and frozen accounts against Hungarian businesses and politicians?"

    Ah. So they have nothing, then. Other than bluffs on which they can readily be called.
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  23. @rvg
    I wonder what a Germanized Islamic state will look like. I wonder if the people here prefer an Islamic, or at least Islamized state with the demographics of Australia in 1950 or a secular state with the demographics of Brazil if those are the only 2 options available? What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>

    What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>

    Germans like their sausage too much. (Not to mention their beer.)

    There was a discussion on Lawrence Auster’s site in its last year or two about how few things were as strong a shield against the spread of Islam than a taste for pork.

    Have you hugged your pig today?

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    "What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like"

    It won't be 98% ethnic German or anything near. In England nearly 30% of primary school kids are 'minority', and 27% of births are to a foreign born mother.

    A visit to any large English hospital, first to the general wards (elderly Brits) then the maternity wards (headscarf city) is instructive.

    Yogi Berra is no longer with us, I see. As Steve likes to repeat 'you can observe a lot by just watching'.

    , @fnn
    From Wikipedia: "In 2008, 18.4% of Germans of any age group and 30% of German children had at least one parent born abroad. Median age for Germans with at least one parent born abroad was 33.8 years, while that for Germans, who had two parents born in Germany was 44.6 years.[40]

    In 2012, 80% of Germans had no migration background, a further 4% were ethnic German immigrants (from countries such as Russia, Kazakhstan, and Romania). In total, 91.6% of the population is of European background, excluding Turkey (including ethnic Germans from Kazakhstan but excluding ethnic Europeans from other parts of the world, such as the USA, since statistics of people from the Americas is not collected by race). 3.7% of the population had a Turkish background."
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  24. Jefferson says:
    @The Albino Sasquatch
    We won't have to wait long to find out.

    “We won’t have to wait long to find out.”

    No we are never going to find out what a Blond Nordic Germany under Islamic law looks like, because the Muslim refugees pouring into Germany look quite different in phenotype from native Ethnic Germans.

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  25. @Jose Habib
    Just curious, why isn't the UK included in this quota plan? Are they able to opt out somehow?

    Just curious, why isn’t the UK included in this quota plan?

    Maybe for the same reason residents of Tennessee were exempt from the draft in 1917. They’d already filled their quota voluntarily.

    “We gave at the office.”

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  26. Sleep says:

    Apparently theyre not actually sharing the refugees equally. I dont see any numbers in the article, but they made a bar graph. It looks like they’re asking Hungary to take less than 1000 of the 100000+ immigrants, whereas France is supposed to take about 30000. In general theyre asking less of the poorer countries and more of the richer countries. Im actually kind of surprised Hungary said no. As was said above, though, this is only the beginning.

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    Hungary is not asked to take in many, because migrants would be taken from Hungary to other countries. I suspect one of the reasons for defiance is that we are afraid to let Brussels decide who is a refugee. Also, the proposed 54000 migrants to be transferred from Hungary is just a fraction of those that were first registered here.
    , @AnAnon
    "Im actually kind of surprised Hungary said no. " - keep the camel's nose out of your tent unless you like its butt in there as well.
    , @szopen
    Poland Total gdp: 548bln usd. Austria: 436 bln USD. Poland takes 5000 (+ 2 thousand forced upon us earlier). Austria: about one thousand.
    Germany has GDP _SEVEN FUCKING TIMES_ larger than Poland. It takes a bit more than two times number the refugees Poland is taking.

    Fuck yeah, UE is asking less of poorer countries.
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  27. Sean says:
    @WIlkey
    "It appears that one point of this manufactured crisis is to establish precedents diminishing national sovereignty. In other words, the “migrant crisis” is intended to facilitate an EU superstate coup."

    That, or they're just winging it, and don't know what the hell they're doing.

    In a 28 nation federation, elections are always around the corner somewhere. Perhaps EU leaders they took inspiration from the way the Greeks embraced national suicide in the latest election, where Greeks embraced national suicide. But one of those upcoming elections - assuming David Cameron keeps his promise - is in the UK, and it will tackle the question of whether the UK should stay in the EU. Unlike Hungary, the UK is big enough and rich enough to give the EU the middle finger.

    Perpetually throwing around their weight is not a good way to encourage the Brits to stay.

    Cameron has one non negotiable demand: his banker pals in the City, who he used to be a PR man for, must be allowed to operate without hindrance from Eurocrats and stupid Germans in Dusseldorf. The EU sceptics help him to get concessions, but he is not going to leave.

    Re Have you hugged your pig today? “British Prime Minister and an obscene act with a dead pig’. His snorting years must have been a mark of respect.

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  28. Whiskey says: • Website

    OT, Marine Le Pen to stand trial for inciting racial hatred regarding her comments about Muslim prayers overflowing into streets and comparing it to the Nazi Occupation:

    “I’m sorry, but for those who like talking a lot about World War II, if it comes to talking about the occupation, we can talk about it, because that (Muslims praying on the street) is the occupation of territory,” she told a crowd in the southeastern city of Lyon.

    “It is an occupation of part of the territory, suburbs where religious law is applied. Sure, there are no armoured vehicles, no soldiers, but it is an occupation nonetheless and it weighs on residents.”
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    So apparently, that is the strategy. Simply outlaw the FN as a “racist” organization following a show trial. Camp of the Saints, away.

    However, one man has NOT been heard from yet. Vladimir Putin. Who is sending already 2,000 men to his airbase in Latakia and is using fighters and anti-air missiles (against obviously the US fighters and drones, ISIS has no air assets) to prop up Assad. Neither Putin nor Iran will be happy with half of Sunni Islam living in Europe, running the place, taking over the nuclear weapons of France and the UK. Nor do I think that Putin is happy with Western Europe turning into Syria on his doorstep. If he thought the toothless NATO/EU was bad in Ukraine, wait until he gets holy war on his doorstep!

    Putin is probably also thinking, places like Venice and St. Tropez and Rome are quite warm indeed in the brutal winter, and would make a nice Winter get-away place. Best to grab them FIRST before the Muslims take a hold of it and turn everything into rubble.

    I think events in Europe have reached a point where elections and normal politics are as meaningless as the Senate meeting in Rome in the 500s. Le Pen, Orban, etc. might well find a big protector in a man like Putin. Of course, nothing comes for free but nearly any price is worth avoiding Islamic conquest.

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  29. Realist says:
    @Steve Richter
    What affect does this have on the desire of people of Ukraine to align themselves with the West? If Ukraine stays with Russia if would not be forced to take any migrants.

    “If Ukraine stays with Russia if would not be forced to take any migrants.”

    Stays with Russia? The Ukraine has already screwed that up….not in the cards.

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    Yep.

    This is, apparently, what thousand upon thousands of Ukrainians, right now, are fighting, dying and suffereing for.
    - The 'right' to have hundreds of thousands of third world immigrants forced upon them.
    To fight for this 'right' western Ukrainians have no compunction about killing their ethnic brothers.
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  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Way, way back in the mid 1960s, Enoch Powell MP was actually in favor of Britain joining the fledgling EEC, the forerunner to the EU.
    Powell thought at the time that it was simply a free trade pact, and like many others at that time thought that the relatively underperforming UK economy needed an economic boost.

    However, Powell’s opinion changed. He took the time to actually study the EU and what it was all about – full economic, fiscal, monetary and political union. Powell realised that this inevitably meant the extinction of a thousand years of English national independence, sovereignty and self determination. In other words, foreign powers would have the ability to make political decisions unwanted and unwelcome by the British electorate. A price that cannot be paid under any circumstances.
    Powell, a Tory, resigned from the Conservative Party and urged voters to vote Labour in the General Election of November 1974. Labour promised EU withdrawal, a promise they reneged upon.

    Powell has been proved right.
    Exactly as in other political issues.

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  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If a nation state has absolutely no control whatsoever over who actually claims as ‘right’ the ability to live in that state, then that so-called ‘nation state’ has absolutely no point to its existence whatsoever. It is, more or less, just a geographical expression, a term for an administrative region, a description for one bit of the earth’s landscape.
    Whatever that administrative region is it is certainly not a ‘nation’ nor a ‘state’.

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  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist
    "If Ukraine stays with Russia if would not be forced to take any migrants."

    Stays with Russia? The Ukraine has already screwed that up....not in the cards.

    Yep.

    This is, apparently, what thousand upon thousands of Ukrainians, right now, are fighting, dying and suffereing for.
    - The ‘right’ to have hundreds of thousands of third world immigrants forced upon them.
    To fight for this ‘right’ western Ukrainians have no compunction about killing their ethnic brothers.

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  33. Billp says:
    @Eric
    What sort of hard force does the EU have if Hungary tells them to go to hell?
    "You have made your decision, now let's see you enforce it." Where's Andy Jackson when you need him?

    They won’t have to use hard force. There was an article that explained that any reluctant (most likely poorer)states would be compelled to drink their share of the poison by either denying them funds or offering them payment for each precious immigrant head they accept, meaning there will be no stopping the tide, short of a real populist uprising in Europe.

    It very much reminds me of how the US feds bribe church charities to help with their population replacement schemes here…

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  34. rod1963 says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I wish, but...

    It appears that one point of this manufactured crisis is to establish precedents diminishing national sovereignty. In other words, the “migrant crisis” is intended to facilitate an EU superstate coup
     
    ... I agree with Steve. One way to undercut right-wing activism is to take away all the issues by making everything a fait accompli. Don't want your country overrun by foreigners? Too late!! No point voting for that anti-immigration candidate now!!

    Sort of, Steve’s “bums rush” method does work, but Europe has been exposed to the Muslim plague for years, they know what these people are and don’t really like them, but they weren’t sufficient of a threat to get people organized in opposition. Now with a giant smelly, violent infestation of them on their doorstep that is already attacking the natives of Europe. It’s forcing the nations and people to confront it, not rollover(with the exception of Germany/Austria). It’s pushing people in a corner and p***ing them off. Especially the East Europeans who still have a back bone and can put together a military quite fast if need be.

    All it will take is a large and violent demonstration by Muzzies to get that ball rolling and that is coming. It can not but happen. Merkel set the stage for it. There already have been demonstrations demanding the imposition of Shariah law and the Caliphate. If they see cowardice on the part of the government it will be seen as a green light to escalate and rapidly.

    From what I just read on various anti-jihad sources even the German people have had it with Merkel – she is booed every time she makes a public appearance now, she is scared enough to hire agents to scan Facebook for German critics of her regime and shut them down.

    Note most will not be reported on in the MSM – there already is a media blackout on immigrant crimes to begin with. It will have to be obtained via local bloggers and the like.

    Things are moving fast now. What course the Euro states take is now dependent on the Muslim mass.

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  35. Orlando says:

    What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>

    Germans like their sausage too much. (Not to mention their beer.)

    It would probably make German men live 5 years longer. So Germany would have to import more “refugees” to take care of them.

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  36. Interesting news in the local paper here in Sweden. They describe the “agreement” as being binding on all members, and print a table with the numbers of “refugees” each country is required to take in. Hungary is simply omitted from the table. The only comment on Hungary in the body of the article consists of a number of quotes from eu traitors condemning Orban. (One quote condemned him for embroiling his country in populism, which seems somehow self-contradictory)

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  37. @AndrewR
    Not defending this per se but didn't these countries knowingly and voluntarily cede a large part of their sovereignty when they joined the EU? They wanted the goodies and now they're getting the badies

    they should call Putin for help. Get out of Nato and EU.

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  38. LondonBob says:
    @Steve Richter
    What affect does this have on the desire of people of Ukraine to align themselves with the West? If Ukraine stays with Russia if would not be forced to take any migrants.

    The Galicians would cut off their own nose to spite the Russians.

    The EU is unraveling spectacularly.

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  39. @Reg Cæsar

    What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>
     
    Germans like their sausage too much. (Not to mention their beer.)

    There was a discussion on Lawrence Auster's site in its last year or two about how few things were as strong a shield against the spread of Islam than a taste for pork.

    Have you hugged your pig today?

    “What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like”

    It won’t be 98% ethnic German or anything near. In England nearly 30% of primary school kids are ‘minority’, and 27% of births are to a foreign born mother.

    A visit to any large English hospital, first to the general wards (elderly Brits) then the maternity wards (headscarf city) is instructive.

    Yogi Berra is no longer with us, I see. As Steve likes to repeat ‘you can observe a lot by just watching’.

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    Of course, that 27% doesn't include the vast numbers of second, third and further generation third world immigrants.
    All in all, it is likely that already a majority of births in England are non-white.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    That wasn't my question, it was "deqwf…"'s

    The French have the right idea-- fight back with pork and port, not porn.

    Progeny helps, too.
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  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In light of these events, the poor refugees running in fear for their lives are… threatening to return to Syria.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1557225/refugee-its-germany-or-nothing-for-us

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    I don't keer w'at you do wid me, Brer Fox, so you don't fling me in dat brier-patch!
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  41. rvg says:

    When I was in Vancouver I saw a lot of Iranians and Pakis with upper middle class white women, now even if you assume that these men have IQs that are 5-10 points above the mean for their countries, that would still result in an IQ of around the low 90s, vs. IQ of about 105 or so for the upper middle class white women that they are dating, which is a disparity of around 10 IQ points, so what gives? Muslims from the middle east and pakistan seem to have a decent chance with white women as long as those muslim men do not start wearing Islamic dresses, I also saw a couple Muslim men with white girlfriends or wives who were wearing headscarves.

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  42. fnn says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>
     
    Germans like their sausage too much. (Not to mention their beer.)

    There was a discussion on Lawrence Auster's site in its last year or two about how few things were as strong a shield against the spread of Islam than a taste for pork.

    Have you hugged your pig today?

    From Wikipedia: “In 2008, 18.4% of Germans of any age group and 30% of German children had at least one parent born abroad. Median age for Germans with at least one parent born abroad was 33.8 years, while that for Germans, who had two parents born in Germany was 44.6 years.[40]

    In 2012, 80% of Germans had no migration background, a further 4% were ethnic German immigrants (from countries such as Russia, Kazakhstan, and Romania). In total, 91.6% of the population is of European background, excluding Turkey (including ethnic Germans from Kazakhstan but excluding ethnic Europeans from other parts of the world, such as the USA, since statistics of people from the Americas is not collected by race). 3.7% of the population had a Turkish background.”

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    I've long thought the Germans lucked out in that their Muslim population happened to be Turkish rather than Arab, Pakistani, or African. Turks are better behaved and generally superior to those groups. And Germany and Turkey have had a close relationship since World War I, so you could say Germany's motives in accepting their emigrants were more pure than those of of France and the U.K. relative to their Muslims.

    Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.
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  43. 5371 says:
    @Anonymous
    In light of these events, the poor refugees running in fear for their lives are... threatening to return to Syria.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1557225/refugee-its-germany-or-nothing-for-us

    I don’t keer w’at you do wid me, Brer Fox, so you don’t fling me in dat brier-patch!

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  44. @fnn
    From Wikipedia: "In 2008, 18.4% of Germans of any age group and 30% of German children had at least one parent born abroad. Median age for Germans with at least one parent born abroad was 33.8 years, while that for Germans, who had two parents born in Germany was 44.6 years.[40]

    In 2012, 80% of Germans had no migration background, a further 4% were ethnic German immigrants (from countries such as Russia, Kazakhstan, and Romania). In total, 91.6% of the population is of European background, excluding Turkey (including ethnic Germans from Kazakhstan but excluding ethnic Europeans from other parts of the world, such as the USA, since statistics of people from the Americas is not collected by race). 3.7% of the population had a Turkish background."

    I’ve long thought the Germans lucked out in that their Muslim population happened to be Turkish rather than Arab, Pakistani, or African. Turks are better behaved and generally superior to those groups. And Germany and Turkey have had a close relationship since World War I, so you could say Germany’s motives in accepting their emigrants were more pure than those of of France and the U.K. relative to their Muslims.

    Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

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    It was never nice. The reality of Turkish immigration into Germany and its aftermath is very different from the rosy picture you sometimes read from American commenters.
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  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    "What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like"

    It won't be 98% ethnic German or anything near. In England nearly 30% of primary school kids are 'minority', and 27% of births are to a foreign born mother.

    A visit to any large English hospital, first to the general wards (elderly Brits) then the maternity wards (headscarf city) is instructive.

    Yogi Berra is no longer with us, I see. As Steve likes to repeat 'you can observe a lot by just watching'.

    Of course, that 27% doesn’t include the vast numbers of second, third and further generation third world immigrants.
    All in all, it is likely that already a majority of births in England are non-white.

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    All schools in England are inspected by the Office for Standards in Education (Ofsted). At one time their reports were explicit about the proportion of pupils in each school from an ethnic background, but in recent years they have become much vaguer and they now prefer phrases such as "an above average percentage of pupils are from an ethnic background". But from my experience I would estimate around 50% of children in English schools are now from an ethnic minority with a higher percentage in the newest cohorts.
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  46. Nador says:
    @Sleep
    Apparently theyre not actually sharing the refugees equally. I dont see any numbers in the article, but they made a bar graph. It looks like they're asking Hungary to take less than 1000 of the 100000+ immigrants, whereas France is supposed to take about 30000. In general theyre asking less of the poorer countries and more of the richer countries. Im actually kind of surprised Hungary said no. As was said above, though, this is only the beginning.

    Hungary is not asked to take in many, because migrants would be taken from Hungary to other countries. I suspect one of the reasons for defiance is that we are afraid to let Brussels decide who is a refugee. Also, the proposed 54000 migrants to be transferred from Hungary is just a fraction of those that were first registered here.

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  47. @rvg
    I wonder what a Germanized Islamic state will look like. I wonder if the people here prefer an Islamic, or at least Islamized state with the demographics of Australia in 1950 or a secular state with the demographics of Brazil if those are the only 2 options available? What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>

    It won’t be an 98% ethnic German state…Germany’s ethnic German population is already far lower than that. And personally I think I’d rather go with Brazil (not that terrible a country anyway) than an Islamicized ex-Western state.

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  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    I've long thought the Germans lucked out in that their Muslim population happened to be Turkish rather than Arab, Pakistani, or African. Turks are better behaved and generally superior to those groups. And Germany and Turkey have had a close relationship since World War I, so you could say Germany's motives in accepting their emigrants were more pure than those of of France and the U.K. relative to their Muslims.

    Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

    It was never nice. The reality of Turkish immigration into Germany and its aftermath is very different from the rosy picture you sometimes read from American commenters.

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  49. Jan says:
    @Anonymous
    Of course, that 27% doesn't include the vast numbers of second, third and further generation third world immigrants.
    All in all, it is likely that already a majority of births in England are non-white.

    All schools in England are inspected by the Office for Standards in Education (Ofsted). At one time their reports were explicit about the proportion of pupils in each school from an ethnic background, but in recent years they have become much vaguer and they now prefer phrases such as “an above average percentage of pupils are from an ethnic background”. But from my experience I would estimate around 50% of children in English schools are now from an ethnic minority with a higher percentage in the newest cohorts.

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  50. @Patrick in SC
    Reflecting on the importance of language, we see in this piece another example why we always lose: It's "right-wing politicians" vs. "humanitarians". Gee, I wonder which side is the good guys?

    It's just like in this country. We have "the religious right" or "hardcore conservatives" who respond to "red meat" and "hot button" issues, against "advocates for civil rights (or women's health or the environment)". It's all in the language.

    It’s just like in this country. We have “the religious right” or “hardcore conservatives” who respond to “red meat” and “hot button” issues, against “advocates for civil rights (or women’s health or the environment)”. It’s all in the language.

    It’s pervasive and once you’re attuned you’ll see it everywhere. The obamacare issue was posed to conservatives, “Why are you opposed to healthcare?” African supremacy is, “Do you oppose civil rights for Africans?” Invasion becomes, “Are you opposed to helping refugees?” Or, “Why do you oppose immigration reform?”

    The leftists’ control of media has enabled their total control of political language. Trump (and now Carson following in his shadow) upsets that model because of the huge audience he has and his immunity to the penalties normally imposed on violators. Carson has the whip hand since he is retired and cannot be called “racist.”

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    Being labeled a "coon" or "Uncle Tom" isn't much better than "racist."

    It says a lot, about blacks and/or the GOP, that the best black candidate the GOP could find in the whole US is a meek surgeon.

    Tangentially, if the GOP is the "white party" then why are black Republicans always so dark? Other than Colin "Colon" Powell, who is basically a Democrat now anyway, every black Republican in recent times has looked like they're fresh off the boat from Ghana. Even (and maybe especially) the whitest "blacks" are staunch Dems. See: Harold Ford Sr and Jr. They make Obama look like Seal.

    , @neutral
    Carson is immune because blacks are still higher on the victim rankings than Muslims.
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  51. @Anonymous Nephew
    "What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like"

    It won't be 98% ethnic German or anything near. In England nearly 30% of primary school kids are 'minority', and 27% of births are to a foreign born mother.

    A visit to any large English hospital, first to the general wards (elderly Brits) then the maternity wards (headscarf city) is instructive.

    Yogi Berra is no longer with us, I see. As Steve likes to repeat 'you can observe a lot by just watching'.

    That wasn’t my question, it was “deqwf…”‘s

    The French have the right idea– fight back with pork and port, not porn.

    Progeny helps, too.

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  52. @rvg
    I wonder what a Germanized Islamic state will look like. I wonder if the people here prefer an Islamic, or at least Islamized state with the demographics of Australia in 1950 or a secular state with the demographics of Brazil if those are the only 2 options available? What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>

    I think we won’t see islamized Germany or any other Western European state for some time. Islamized in a sense that there is Sharia law. There is still not enough of Muslims in Europe.

    What we will see in my opinion is a balkanized Europe, with lower social trust, small closed communities nested among sea of atomized individuals, a lot of informal no-go areas depending on your race and ethnicity. Everything will be governed by increasingly powerful and pervasive transnational bureaucracy, which paradoxically will at he same time be unable to govern many areas – like law enforcement in aforementioned closed communities. Expect a lot of “propaganda of success” about successful integration of yet another batch of migrants from Africa, and posters on dilapidated walls depicting smiling children from many races playing happily together. Also – gay prides will mysteriously disappear. Everything will cost more and everyday living will resemble walking through mine fields.

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    And the proof of your comment:

    The US today.
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  53. @Reg Cæsar
    There is a simple, face-saving workaround.

    All refugees will be offered residence in Denmark, one of the most prosperous and stable members of the EU. They will readily agree to this.

    Once they reach Danish ports, transfer them to large ships of all kinds bound for the emptiest corner of the least crowded of the Danish islands, Knud Rasmussen Land.

    Hvad er ikke at lige?

    Beautiful:)

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  54. @AndrewR
    Not defending this per se but didn't these countries knowingly and voluntarily cede a large part of their sovereignty when they joined the EU? They wanted the goodies and now they're getting the badies

    I think you are quite right… I think the feeling in the weaker European countries was that all of Europe would become one big happy Germany, or at least France or Britain. It didn’t occur to them that Germany liked being top dog and liked the rest of Europe the way it was – economically weaker than Germany. Though it is tempting to accuse Germany of lack of generosity, it would perhaps be fairer to accuse the weaker EU nations of extreme naivete.

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    Any details how Germany held the other countries back, because they have this genetic urge to dominate everything? Or is this just something you "know"?
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  55. AndrewR says:
    @Stan D Mute

    It’s just like in this country. We have “the religious right” or “hardcore conservatives” who respond to “red meat” and “hot button” issues, against “advocates for civil rights (or women’s health or the environment)”. It’s all in the language.
     
    It's pervasive and once you're attuned you'll see it everywhere. The obamacare issue was posed to conservatives, "Why are you opposed to healthcare?" African supremacy is, "Do you oppose civil rights for Africans?" Invasion becomes, "Are you opposed to helping refugees?" Or, "Why do you oppose immigration reform?"

    The leftists' control of media has enabled their total control of political language. Trump (and now Carson following in his shadow) upsets that model because of the huge audience he has and his immunity to the penalties normally imposed on violators. Carson has the whip hand since he is retired and cannot be called "racist."

    Being labeled a “coon” or “Uncle Tom” isn’t much better than “racist.”

    It says a lot, about blacks and/or the GOP, that the best black candidate the GOP could find in the whole US is a meek surgeon.

    Tangentially, if the GOP is the “white party” then why are black Republicans always so dark? Other than Colin “Colon” Powell, who is basically a Democrat now anyway, every black Republican in recent times has looked like they’re fresh off the boat from Ghana. Even (and maybe especially) the whitest “blacks” are staunch Dems. See: Harold Ford Sr and Jr. They make Obama look like Seal.

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    "Tangentially, if the GOP is the “white party” then why are black Republicans always so dark?"

    Thomas Sowell has talked about this: he resented the establishment National Association for the Advancement of Certain People and the Jack & Jill Club with their "paper bag" colorism.

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  56. Kat Grey says:

    Angela Merkel is the political equivalent to deranged Germanwings pilot Andreas Lubitz. She is suicidally determined to crash Europe Airlines into a mountain, hoping to take as many indigenous Europeans with her.

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    Angela Merkel is the political equivalent to deranged Germanwings pilot Andreas Lubitz.
     
    And she doesn't even have the excuse of being a conflicted queer.
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  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It would be a crying shame if Latvia and Lithuania were lumbered, thanks to the EU, with British style and scale third world populations.
    From an historic and ethnographic point of view, these two small nations are fascinating.
    It is likely that they are the closest existing link we have to the hypothesised ancestral ‘Indo European’ people who spread their genes and language so far and so wide.

    Think of the absurdity of an afro American speaking English or a dark skinned Bengali speaking a language that originated in the cold wastes of Siberia.

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  58. J1234 says:

    Mr. Asselborn…responded, “Nobody has the right not to agree.”

    Does any statement sum up the left or cultural Marxism better than that?

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  59. pyrrhus says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    There is a simple, face-saving workaround.

    All refugees will be offered residence in Denmark, one of the most prosperous and stable members of the EU. They will readily agree to this.

    Once they reach Danish ports, transfer them to large ships of all kinds bound for the emptiest corner of the least crowded of the Danish islands, Knud Rasmussen Land.

    Hvad er ikke at lige?

    Now that’s the kind of creative (hate) thought we need in this world! Of course, the EU will do the opposite…

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  60. neutral says:
    @Stan D Mute

    It’s just like in this country. We have “the religious right” or “hardcore conservatives” who respond to “red meat” and “hot button” issues, against “advocates for civil rights (or women’s health or the environment)”. It’s all in the language.
     
    It's pervasive and once you're attuned you'll see it everywhere. The obamacare issue was posed to conservatives, "Why are you opposed to healthcare?" African supremacy is, "Do you oppose civil rights for Africans?" Invasion becomes, "Are you opposed to helping refugees?" Or, "Why do you oppose immigration reform?"

    The leftists' control of media has enabled their total control of political language. Trump (and now Carson following in his shadow) upsets that model because of the huge audience he has and his immunity to the penalties normally imposed on violators. Carson has the whip hand since he is retired and cannot be called "racist."

    Carson is immune because blacks are still higher on the victim rankings than Muslims.

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    "Carson is immune because blacks are still higher on the victim rankings than Muslims."

    Have you been living in a cave? The Left Wing media lost their marvels and went bat shit crazy mad when Ben Carson said he does not think a Muslim should ever become president of The United States. They condemned him quite hard. He did not get a pass from them.
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  61. @Bert
    I have to agree. It sucks that this is happening to unwilling nations but they had to have known this was a possibility when they joined in the first place.

    If Viktor Orban really wants to be a hero he'll withdraw from the EU, but I don't anticipate that happening.

    “If Viktor Orban really wants to be a hero he’ll withdraw from the EU, but I don’t anticipate that happening.”

    He can always just defy the EU. I doubt they’d send in the Army, like Eisenhower did in Little Rock. Can EU economic sanctions actually hurt worse than absorbing 50-100K+ Muslim immigrants per year? The data suggests not.

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    Orban's system depends on EU money.
    The EU does not even need economic sanctions to hurt his system.
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  62. @rvg
    Expulsion from the EU and trade embargoes, travel bans, and frozen accounts against Hungarian businesses and politicians?

    “Expulsion from the EU and trade embargoes, travel bans, and frozen accounts against Hungarian businesses and politicians?”

    Ah. So they have nothing, then. Other than bluffs on which they can readily be called.

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  63. AnAnon says:
    @Sleep
    Apparently theyre not actually sharing the refugees equally. I dont see any numbers in the article, but they made a bar graph. It looks like they're asking Hungary to take less than 1000 of the 100000+ immigrants, whereas France is supposed to take about 30000. In general theyre asking less of the poorer countries and more of the richer countries. Im actually kind of surprised Hungary said no. As was said above, though, this is only the beginning.

    “Im actually kind of surprised Hungary said no. ” – keep the camel’s nose out of your tent unless you like its butt in there as well.

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  64. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    ‘re: incentives/threats
    A country gets 6000 EUR/ migrant accepted. It must pay 6500 EUR for each migrant denied.

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  65. Jefferson says:

    Cat Stevens is no doubt extremely happy with the massive Muslim influx into Europe.

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    "Cat Stevens is no doubt extremely happy with the massive Muslim influx into Europe."

    Indeed. Peace Train take this country..................

    It's worth remembering that the man who wrote and performed "Peace Train" publicly called for the murder of Salman Rushdie.

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  66. I opened the original article and tried to find the quote, “Nobody has the right not to agree.” It’s not there. Is it possible that this was quickly and quietly removed when people realized how authoritarian it makes the EU look?

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  67. @AndrewR
    Being labeled a "coon" or "Uncle Tom" isn't much better than "racist."

    It says a lot, about blacks and/or the GOP, that the best black candidate the GOP could find in the whole US is a meek surgeon.

    Tangentially, if the GOP is the "white party" then why are black Republicans always so dark? Other than Colin "Colon" Powell, who is basically a Democrat now anyway, every black Republican in recent times has looked like they're fresh off the boat from Ghana. Even (and maybe especially) the whitest "blacks" are staunch Dems. See: Harold Ford Sr and Jr. They make Obama look like Seal.

    “Tangentially, if the GOP is the “white party” then why are black Republicans always so dark?”

    Thomas Sowell has talked about this: he resented the establishment National Association for the Advancement of Certain People and the Jack & Jill Club with their “paper bag” colorism.

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  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jimbojones
    I think you are quite right... I think the feeling in the weaker European countries was that all of Europe would become one big happy Germany, or at least France or Britain. It didn't occur to them that Germany liked being top dog and liked the rest of Europe the way it was - economically weaker than Germany. Though it is tempting to accuse Germany of lack of generosity, it would perhaps be fairer to accuse the weaker EU nations of extreme naivete.

    Any details how Germany held the other countries back, because they have this genetic urge to dominate everything? Or is this just something you “know”?

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  69. donut says:

    Don’t worry white boy :

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  70. Jefferson says:
    @neutral
    Carson is immune because blacks are still higher on the victim rankings than Muslims.

    “Carson is immune because blacks are still higher on the victim rankings than Muslims.”

    Have you been living in a cave? The Left Wing media lost their marvels and went bat shit crazy mad when Ben Carson said he does not think a Muslim should ever become president of The United States. They condemned him quite hard. He did not get a pass from them.

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    Because he's a Republican. Becoming a Republican makes a black an outlaw in the eyes of the left.
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  71. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jefferson
    Cat Stevens is no doubt extremely happy with the massive Muslim influx into Europe.

    “Cat Stevens is no doubt extremely happy with the massive Muslim influx into Europe.”

    Indeed. Peace Train take this country………………

    It’s worth remembering that the man who wrote and performed “Peace Train” publicly called for the murder of Salman Rushdie.

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  72. Olorin says:
    @AndrewR
    Not defending this per se but didn't these countries knowingly and voluntarily cede a large part of their sovereignty when they joined the EU? They wanted the goodies and now they're getting the badies

    Naivete? After the 20th century and a 40-year world war?

    What they wanted was to yoke the Germans for all time. Christ, hasn’t that been the goal for the past 100 years–hating and punishing The Hun (etc.) for having the genome to create the most advanced and functional societies no matter how many times other European nations (I’m looking at you, Britain and France) embark on a campaign of firebombing, starving, and mass raping them into oblivion.

    ” In other words, the “migrant crisis” is intended to facilitate an EU superstate coup.”

    The EU *is* a coup. The crisis was engineered to flex the Brussels muscles. C’mon, a year or two ago, the EU was on the edge of dissolution. Now, suddenly, it’s all about the poor refugee migrants, and the EU reminding its nations they’re bottoms.

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  73. Olorin says:
    @Bies Podkrakowski
    I think we won't see islamized Germany or any other Western European state for some time. Islamized in a sense that there is Sharia law. There is still not enough of Muslims in Europe.

    What we will see in my opinion is a balkanized Europe, with lower social trust, small closed communities nested among sea of atomized individuals, a lot of informal no-go areas depending on your race and ethnicity. Everything will be governed by increasingly powerful and pervasive transnational bureaucracy, which paradoxically will at he same time be unable to govern many areas - like law enforcement in aforementioned closed communities. Expect a lot of "propaganda of success" about successful integration of yet another batch of migrants from Africa, and posters on dilapidated walls depicting smiling children from many races playing happily together. Also - gay prides will mysteriously disappear. Everything will cost more and everyday living will resemble walking through mine fields.

    And the proof of your comment:

    The US today.

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    Damn. You are right. Euros always wanted to remake us in a United States of Europe. I hope it will mean easier access to guns and decent space exploration program.
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  74. Olorin says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    There is a simple, face-saving workaround.

    All refugees will be offered residence in Denmark, one of the most prosperous and stable members of the EU. They will readily agree to this.

    Once they reach Danish ports, transfer them to large ships of all kinds bound for the emptiest corner of the least crowded of the Danish islands, Knud Rasmussen Land.

    Hvad er ikke at lige?

    To hell with that.

    We’re saving that for us Americans and Europeans of proven Viking DNA.

    ;D

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    The Vikes made Greenland green during the last round of global warming.

    Which, of course, was the result of horse flatulence from excessive charioteering in the Roman Empire.

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  75. @Kat Grey
    Angela Merkel is the political equivalent to deranged Germanwings pilot Andreas Lubitz. She is suicidally determined to crash Europe Airlines into a mountain, hoping to take as many indigenous Europeans with her.

    Angela Merkel is the political equivalent to deranged Germanwings pilot Andreas Lubitz.

    And she doesn’t even have the excuse of being a conflicted queer.

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  76. @Olorin
    To hell with that.

    We're saving that for us Americans and Europeans of proven Viking DNA.

    ;D

    The Vikes made Greenland green during the last round of global warming.

    Which, of course, was the result of horse flatulence from excessive charioteering in the Roman Empire.

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  77. athEIst says:

    Jean Asselborn, the foreign minister of Luxembourg.
    Luxembourg always ranks among the top three in various lists of countries by wealth. Perhaps all the migrants should be resettled there. Luxembourgers of course would not have the right to disagree.

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  78. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The history of the EU is effectively the history of a stealth coup.

    The nation states of Europe had checks and balances so a pack of sociopaths among the political class decided to create a transnational layer over the top without any restraints and then gradually transferred all the power from the nation states to the EU – a 40 year stealth coup.

    Of course once complete the native peoples would notice and want their checks and balances back – hence the native peoples have to be turned into a minority.

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  79. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    Not defending this per se but didn't these countries knowingly and voluntarily cede a large part of their sovereignty when they joined the EU? They wanted the goodies and now they're getting the badies

    No they didn’t.

    Their political and media class lied to them.

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  80. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @rvg
    I wonder what a Germanized Islamic state will look like. I wonder if the people here prefer an Islamic, or at least Islamized state with the demographics of Australia in 1950 or a secular state with the demographics of Brazil if those are the only 2 options available? What will an Islamic state with that is 98% ethnic German look like>

    That won’t happen.

    What will happen is what happened in the US but faster – lots of localized violence among the young in and around the schools which the media will cover up leading to lots of white flight to an ever shrinking living space with the cleansed areas transforming into a replica of whatever region the new people came from.

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  81. szopen says:
    @Sleep
    Apparently theyre not actually sharing the refugees equally. I dont see any numbers in the article, but they made a bar graph. It looks like they're asking Hungary to take less than 1000 of the 100000+ immigrants, whereas France is supposed to take about 30000. In general theyre asking less of the poorer countries and more of the richer countries. Im actually kind of surprised Hungary said no. As was said above, though, this is only the beginning.

    Poland Total gdp: 548bln usd. Austria: 436 bln USD. Poland takes 5000 (+ 2 thousand forced upon us earlier). Austria: about one thousand.
    Germany has GDP _SEVEN FUCKING TIMES_ larger than Poland. It takes a bit more than two times number the refugees Poland is taking.

    Fuck yeah, UE is asking less of poorer countries.

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    Germany has GDP _SEVEN FUCKING TIMES_ larger than Poland. It takes a bit more than two times number the refugees Poland is taking.

     

    This is unjust. As we all know, immigrants are increase GDP. Immigrants should be diverted to countries with lowest GDPs first. Then, when their GDPs have been boosted to the average, the stream should be diverted to the next less poor countries.
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  82. Mitleser says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "If Viktor Orban really wants to be a hero he’ll withdraw from the EU, but I don’t anticipate that happening."

    He can always just defy the EU. I doubt they'd send in the Army, like Eisenhower did in Little Rock. Can EU economic sanctions actually hurt worse than absorbing 50-100K+ Muslim immigrants per year? The data suggests not.

    Orban’s system depends on EU money.
    The EU does not even need economic sanctions to hurt his system.

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  83. AndrewR says:
    @Jefferson
    "Carson is immune because blacks are still higher on the victim rankings than Muslims."

    Have you been living in a cave? The Left Wing media lost their marvels and went bat shit crazy mad when Ben Carson said he does not think a Muslim should ever become president of The United States. They condemned him quite hard. He did not get a pass from them.

    Because he’s a Republican. Becoming a Republican makes a black an outlaw in the eyes of the left.

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  84. tbraton says:

    If they could speak, I’m sure they would all say they are headed to Germany since the word is out that the Germans are handing out free fish. I haven’t seen such enthusiasm on display since last week in Europe.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2015/sep/24/thousands-leaping-dolphins-super-pod-costa-rica-video

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  85. tbraton says:

    I think it’s interesting how “diversity” is valued everywhere except in areas where it counts, such as law school faculties. http://www.harvard-jlpp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/37_1_137_Rosenkranz.pdf
    But, then, we are talking about diversity in ideas, which doesn’t count.

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  86. @szopen
    Poland Total gdp: 548bln usd. Austria: 436 bln USD. Poland takes 5000 (+ 2 thousand forced upon us earlier). Austria: about one thousand.
    Germany has GDP _SEVEN FUCKING TIMES_ larger than Poland. It takes a bit more than two times number the refugees Poland is taking.

    Fuck yeah, UE is asking less of poorer countries.

    Germany has GDP _SEVEN FUCKING TIMES_ larger than Poland. It takes a bit more than two times number the refugees Poland is taking.

    This is unjust. As we all know, immigrants are increase GDP. Immigrants should be diverted to countries with lowest GDPs first. Then, when their GDPs have been boosted to the average, the stream should be diverted to the next less poor countries.

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  87. jill says:

    Germany called for social network to do more to censure hate speech against migrants

    Facebook agrees and will lead the attack:

    “German Justice Minister Heiko Maas said after a meeting with Facebook executives in Berlin that the ministry would coordinate the creation of a task force with Facebook and other Internet competitors to evaluate whether inappropriate content flagged by users falls under freedom of speech or is illegal under German law.”

    “Facebook also said it would give financial support to organizations that collect complaints against online hate speech to help remove comments faster. The social network earlier in the day announced other measures, including a task force to encourage users to draft countermessages to hate speech on the Web and campaigns to generally strengthen antihate speech on the Internet.”

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-outlines-new-measures-to-combat-racist-and-xenophobic-content-1442242351

    Enjoy America while you can.

    “…you aren’t going to like what comes after America.” Leonard Cohen

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  88. @Olorin
    And the proof of your comment:

    The US today.

    Damn. You are right. Euros always wanted to remake us in a United States of Europe. I hope it will mean easier access to guns and decent space exploration program.

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