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As I wrote in 2014:

“The Other O” in 2016?

… Having spent about 15 seconds in The Presence in 1987, Oprah remains the greatest natural politician I’ve ever met.

Personally, I think a giant empire like modern America would be better off splitting the roles of ceremonial Head of State and utilitarian Head of Government, rather than in getting them all entwined. The Premier or whatever we’d call him would, in today’s culture, typically be some senior black entertainment or athletic figure: James Earl Jones in the past, Morgan Freeman today, Oprah tomorrow, maybe David Robinson after her.

Instead, out of that urge, we elected a part time college lecturer to fill both jobs in a mediocre fashion.

 
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  1. MEH 0910 says:

    OT: H&M Apologizes for ‘Monkey’ Image Featuring Black Child

    The clothing retailer H&M apologized on Monday for an image appearing in its online store that showed a black child model wearing a hooded sweatshirt that said “coolest monkey in the jungle.” The company removed the image on Monday and said it would also pull the shirt from its stores worldwide.

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    One wonders why the lunatic left associates blacks with monkeys.
    Rasism,, surely?
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  2. the raven says:

    The rage-addled left just can’t bring itself to see what happened in the election. If Trump had run Jeb Bush’s campaign, would he have won? No, of course not. He ran as a populist, emphasizing issues that people care deeply about, but that no candidate of either party would touch — especially immigration, but also offshoring.

    So, can Oprah do something similar? Somehow I doubt that the host of a daytime talk show for women has much to say to the country at large.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Oprah would be running to appeal to the women who felt cheated of Hillary winning her election, she would not be going after Trump voters. That Trump barely won has to be considered a factor. One question is whether or not black men would turn out to vote for her like they did for Obama. I doubt their enthusiasm level would be the same, especially if Oprah went all in on the women's empowerment rhetoric.
    , @Realist
    "So, can Oprah do something similar? Somehow I doubt that the host of a daytime talk show for women has much to say to the country at large."


    You are vastly underrating the stupidity of most American voters.

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  3. I’ll get back to you when we’ve seen The Oprah get explicitly political without alienating half the country at least.

    People act like celebrity is all there is to it, celebrity is an asset for sure and Oprah is on paper a giant saber-toothed mecha tiger. She achieves it at least in part though by staying away from the kind of crap she’d have to embrace to go into politics. It remains to be seen whether she has any ability at all to thread that needle or whether ‘Oprah on Economic Policy’ or ‘Oprah on the Chinese trade deficit’ would just implode. It’s more than just celebrity.

    If she’s POTUS people will expect her to do more than just recommend feel good books and buy the audience cars. Trump’s celebrity definitely helped but you have to keep in mind he was the kind of asshole celebrity that migrates well into politics. He was complaining about Chinese trade deficits 20 years ago as part of his whole image shtick. Let’s see Oprah attach her celebrity to something that actually bitterly alienates half the country.

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    • Replies: @ic1000
    > Let’s see Oprah attach her celebrity to something that actually bitterly alienates half the country.

    Well. I watched Seth Myers' intro monologue at the Golden Globes. Myers made comment after comment and joke after joke about his target -- heteronormative white males -- that would spell social infamy and career death if directed at any other demographic (women, blacks, Jews, the disabled, gays, Hispanics, etc.). His bicoastal elite audience was entraptured -- Derbyshire's Cold Civil War in action.

    With the seamless segue from Myers to the tongue bath of the Oprah 2020 kickoff, I already feel quite bitterly alienated, thanks for asking.
    , @Buck Turgidson
    "...asshole celebrity"

    LOL x 'n'
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  4. Declane says:

    “Ms. Winfrey… where’s your husband?”

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    • Replies: @tyrone
    she has a man ………. and a woman
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  5. Isolee says:

    1. She’d easily win both the Dem nomination and the general (massive female vote combined with 2008 level black turnout, and no Hillary type Dem annointee standing in her way).
    2. Being President means a significant percentage of the country – and the world – will inevitably hate you. Trump can deal with this, I’m not sure Oprah would be so sanguine about it.
    3. Being President also means you are commander in chief. Again, ordering a bombing run on an Afghan terrorist camp which may harbour children is probably something that comes far easier to Trump (or even Hillary) than Oprah.
    4. That this is even in (semi) serious conversation demonstrates how pathetically thin the Dem bench is. If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020. Who presents for the Dems now? Pocahontas? Sanders? (Although a white male probably can’t win the Dem nomination for the forseeable future) a mediocrity like Harris?

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    • Replies: @iffen
    If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020.

    You seem to be implying that this is not a thin bench a la Democrats.
    , @Dissident

    ordering a bombing run on an Afghan terrorist camp which may harbour children is probably something that comes far easier to Trump (or even especially Hillary) than Oprah.
     
    Note the change I made in your text.
    , @Anonym
    1. She’d easily win both the Dem nomination and the general (massive female vote combined with 2008 level black turnout, and no Hillary type Dem annointee standing in her way).

    I doubt she would beat incumbent Trump. The last black, media annointed president was not a great success. Hillary the candidacy was something of a BO third term and despite the most helpful media possibly in history, the people said no.
    , @Bernardista
    I'm guessing that even if the current anti-white male Zeitgeist dissolves, and no matter who presents for them, the Dems will be bound and determined to promote another female candidate.

    Between Oprah and Pocahontas, the brainy and socially adept Oprah might have a chance. With Pocahontas? Hello again, President Trump.
    , @Mr. Anon
    If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020.

    And they aren't "thin"? Romney, I can see. I don't like him, but clearly he had a shot. Cruz is intelligent, but unlikeable. But Rubio and Kasich? Thin gruel indeed.
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  6. The core elements of Trump’s appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance, tax cuts, deregulation, withdrawal from Paris Accord, possible withdrawal from the Iran Deal. Even “infrastructure” is outside the scope of his core appeal.

    WTF??

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    • Agree: Luke Lea, ic1000, (((Owen)))
    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Exactly, stupid shit nobody cares about.

    Health insurance I can understand and maybe taxes but even then it shafts some middle class types and gives a negligible bump to others akin to skipping going out to eat a few times or not blowing as much on your wife or mistress.

    John welder doe in Michigan or Jane factory assembler doe in Ohio wants the factory they worked at that Dubya sent to Mexico thru his free trade bullshit brought back.... and no excuses....they want results and they want them now. And I don't blame them.

    Iran? Ppl want the troops REDEPLOYED not pushed into more shit like what The Mustache Bolton wants on Fox news...let those animals murder each other. So what? They've been doing it since the 12th century or earlier....

    Nobody gives a shit about either Paris or deregulation.

    We've had gobs of that shit since the early 1980s w negligible benefits to any one other than Wall Street parasites & a few immigrant groups we'd frankly be fine without....
    , @Opinionator
    It's actually worse than that. The headline immigration policy has become an amnesty measure, DACA.
    , @Dissident
    Anyone surprised at any of what you point-out was never paying too close attention.
    , @anonymous
    Trump had to pay tribute to McConnell and Ryan in case an impeachment case was made. The changed priorities were Mueller's doing and the Russia fraud.
    , @Realist
    Yes, us Trump supports have been had.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    I'd take it a step further: not only did DJT immediately ignore his campaign core promises, he reversed them!

    Bombing a Syrian air base? How is that in our interest?

    Ford will soon make nearly all of its cars in China, and then "export" them back to the United States?

    Where is the president on that outrage?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/business/ford-focus-china-production.html

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2017/03/13/lincoln-new-suv-china/99116846/
    , @biz

    The core elements of Trump’s appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.
     
    First, on manufacturing, it has actually been coming back to the United States, from before Trump was even a thing through the present. But it does not come with many jobs anymore, because of automation. Anyone who thought that Trump, or anyone else, could reverse the decline of manufacturing jobs was an idiot.

    Second, on restraining wars abroad, this was never one of Trumps selling points. Rather he promised to get more aggressive with ISIS than Obama.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    But Mommy I wanted a unicorn that pooped Skittles not just a pony.
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    • Replies: @Half Canadian
    The blond in that picture is now claiming that Weinstein raped her. Will anyone ask Oprah about that?
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  8. There is nobody out there that they can’t promote from the diplomatic corps, Congress, or anybody else with experience in foreign relations, domestic policy etc? It seems like the media wants to choose the candidates for us. In the last election it was supposed to be Jeb vs. Hillary. Bernie Sanders and Trump spoiled that. The Dems cheated and that is the only reason why they got Hillary.

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    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Hillary Clinton always knew that she would bash the living hell out of Bernie by using the Aunt Jemima Strategy in the Southern primary states and states with large Black populations. The Aunt Jemima Strategy is defined as winning the Black lady voter bloc in the South and the larger Northern cities.

    The ruling class of the Democrat Party did cheat in favor of Hillary, but Hillary had her Black lady voters as a firewall to stop Sanders.
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  10. Whiskey says: • Website

    Would any man vote for her?

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    Would any man vote for her?
     
    Well, if you apply the term "man" loosely enough, then yes, I would think; those "woke" males who recognize the scourge of "toxic masculinity" and are eager to make amends for the extensive history of misogyny and sexism...
    , @Anonymous
    Nearly half of men would vote for any Democrat.
    Though not all of them deserve to be called men.
    , @pumpkinperson
    Would any man vote for her?

    Did you not see the black men at the Golden Globes tearing up during her speech last night?

    She also has a HUGE gay male following
    , @Autochthon
    If it were clear my vote wouldn't matter any how (and it won't if I still haven't escaped Mexinchifornia by then...), I will write in her enormous breasts ("Oprah's Tig Ole...") as a gesture of solidarity with fellow Atlantan Terrance Howard....

    (Nah, I ain't afraid o' Stedman.)
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  11. rogue-one says:

    I wonder how will middle class white women vote? (i think) Oprah is popular among that demographic. If Oprah can attract a majority of white women along with minority votes, she can really pull it off.

    I don’t think Oprah will be a competent president. But she sure as hell can be a very very competitive candidate.

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    I wonder how will middle class white women vote? (i think) Oprah is popular among that demographic.
     
    Fat bottom women, you make the rockin world go 'round.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    TV has ruined politics. Ever since the landmark televised Nixon-Kennedy debates, it's all about who has charisma. Oh, to have someone boring and competent manage the country without having to INSPIRE it!
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  12. Phil says:

    Donald Trump: Oprah would be a “great” vice president

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-oprah-would-be-a-great-vice-president/

    He should dump Pence for Oprah.

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    He should dump Pence for Oprah.
     
    Far wiser for Donald Trump to appoint her Minster of Entertainment and Ethno-masochism.
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  13. Oprah / Weinstein 2020!

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  14. Clyde says:

    I know this: Oprah never got a job via the casting couch. What kind of guy with normal sexuality would vote for her? Her idea of a man is that weird Steadman creature she hangs with intermittently, when she craves a walker/escort/beard.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Doesn't Steadman have, like, the best job in the world? Beard for one of the world's richest women with the only requirement that he occasionally accompany her to fancy parties. Outside of that, he can do as he pleases as long as he can keep it out of the Enquirer.
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  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I can see Oprah running, and possibly winning, against Trump. I don’t see Oprah running in a real primary. The powers behind the scenes would need to suppress the opposition, maybe sending out the message that “it is time” for a black woman and anyone who runs against her is a sexist racist. But fixing the primary didn’t work out so well last time. But that won’t necessarily stop them from doing it again.

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  16. DFH says:

    If they have to pick a black woman, isn’t Oprah the one who whites would feel least threatened by?

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  17. Phil says:

    OT: apparently google is on the lookout for Curtis Yarvin

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/950459552675385346/photo/1

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  18. People are saying that she wouldn’t run because it would be too costly or otherwise might ruin her brand. But for what else is her brand worth preserving? Eventually she too will become less powerful and she’ll get bumped off like Harvey Weinstein was when her usefulness as mogul and macher declines.

    She could let herself be drafted if Democratic Party fixers can persuade her that any possible skeletons in her closet can be blackmailed or bribed to stay there. We’ve already shown that we’re willing to vote for horn-dog philanderers, cocaine party boys and choom gangsters… Can’t imagine what secrets she’s got that the public isn’t willing to forgive and accept as some noble experience essential to the kind of redemption narrative they’re suckers for. Indeed her checkered past is likely to make her even more attractive than somebody who’s always been righteous and never left the straight and narrow. Americans prefer to see fallen specimens that reflect their own weakness right back at them than righteous goody-two-shoes like Mitt Romney who seem to do everything right.

    A fawning captive media will treat her with even softer kid gloves than they used for Barry O.
    She’ll enjoy the benefit of female privilege that Hillary didn’t get; any attacks on her will be viewed as “ungentlemanly” and out of bounds. It will be very very difficult to make any oppo research fueled negative campaigning stick. More likely it will backfire making anybody who uses it look like a horrible meany attacking America’s notoriously sweet-toothed sweetheart.

    She’s already got the instant brand recognition that Trump had… essential for being taken seriously in the early phases of the election.

    The wives of all the deplorables, who are among her most devoted fans, will line up right behind her.

    The Black voters in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Georgia will make extraordinary efforts to get to the polls.

    Many Trump voters were mobilized more by Hillary-hate than Trump-love; which a different choice will make very clear.

    Any deficits regarding specific knowledge, she can very easily study and bull$hit her way through like Trump did. Not being a policy wonk probably worked in Trump’s favor. Her sensitivity, charisma and media savvy are things that Kamala Harris & Bernie Sanders or anybody else could probably never master no matter how much they prepare.

    If she does run, it’s hers to lose.

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    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    If she does run, it’s hers to lose.

    And we would all be the worse for it. It would be like the dog finally catching the car. Now what?

    Let's see what some of her policies might be:
    Draconian Hate Speech Laws (only applied to Whites and Christians of course)
    2A gone with some kind of gun confiscation.
    Wide open borders.
    Even more AA, this time coming after White women, not just White Men (although this might have to wait until her 2nd term)
    Supreme Court appointments that will make Ruth Bader look conservative.
    Killing of the domestic Oil and Gas industry
    Being had even more than usual by the ChiComs
    Coming hard after home schoolers
    More burkas and Mosques
    The first Tranny Secretary of Defense
    EPA regulations all but killing private property ownership
    Even more Google NSA privacy invasions
    Making it illegal to possess a Confederate Flag
    , @Harry Baldwin
    She didn't come out looking so good in the flap over the $38,000 handbag. She has a lot of racial hostility, like Obama.
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  19. Coemgen says:

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    • Replies: @Thirdeye
    Bingo. DOA with that kind of baggage. Obama's success in 2008 arose from his "post-racial" presentation. Had he shown the hyper-racialism he embraced in the post-Ferguson era he would have lost. Identitarian appeals backfired on Hillary and they would backfire worse on Oprah.

    I also suspect that Hollywood's dive in popularity will drag down any politician too closely associated with it. It's not the same Hollywood that gave rise to Reagan and he became something of a dissident Hollywoodite anyway.
    , @Whupped Mule
    That makes sense. Also, if the blacks die, it would end racism.
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  20. Clyde says:
    @Phil
    Donald Trump: Oprah would be a "great" vice president

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-oprah-would-be-a-great-vice-president/

    He should dump Pence for Oprah.

    He should dump Pence for Oprah.

    Far wiser for Donald Trump to appoint her Minster of Entertainment and Ethno-masochism.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Ambassador to Sweden, Germany or S Africa would be good.
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  21. The Dems are going for the TV-watching, Oprah-loving female voter. All emotion and no substantive policy. Might work.

    2014 Tweet:

    White women will have to be appealed to explicitly in racial terms if Oprah runs. The White ladies who think Oprah is their imaginary Black pal will have to be snapped out of their lunacy with tough rhetoric.

    White political leaders will have to connect Oprah to Black criminality, Black Lives Matter thuggery, Black rape against White females, Black IQ and Black lack of impulse control and the fact that sub-Saharan Africa is a hell hole because of the Blacks who live there.

    Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore, Newark and every other region of Black population concentration must be used as an example of what happens when Blacks run amok.

    Oprah will be a good wedge to separate out the weak cowardly cuckservatives like Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell. White women want a White political leader who will fight for them. Oprah should be encouraged to run.

    Oprah makes the politics racial; any politics that leads to explicit WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS is good.

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    None of that's gonna happen. You're an unregenerate racist from another era.
    , @Alden
    It will be pretty difficult to connect Oprah to criminal black men.
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  22. Yan Shen says:

    Does this mean that uh everyone in this country gets a free car now?

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    Do you dictate your comments into the computer? I can't understand why all the "uh"s appear.
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  23. Clyde says:
    @rogue-one
    I wonder how will middle class white women vote? (i think) Oprah is popular among that demographic. If Oprah can attract a majority of white women along with minority votes, she can really pull it off.

    I don't think Oprah will be a competent president. But she sure as hell can be a very very competitive candidate.

    I wonder how will middle class white women vote? (i think) Oprah is popular among that demographic.

    Fat bottom women, you make the rockin world go ’round.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Middle age woman, here.

    Honestly, I've never watched the show, though when I lived in Chicago, about twenty years ago, I knew two women who actually went into the city to see the taping live.

    What is her appeal and to whom is she appealing? I don't think the middle-age demographic is hers anymore. Her fans are now social-security age women, some bitter cat-women, but most dull and married.

    Oprah has long-passed her peak days. Her too-popular tv show ended around 2010. Since then, she's had a magazine that sells, well, like most magazines today -- not well. I looked for it in Safeway today -- I live in Colorado, now -- and couldn't find it near the check-out stand.

    To sum:

    1) She's a Hollywoodish figure whose popularity has been declining for many years, and mostly unknown to the younger (20-60), female demographic.
    2) Older fans who are single will vote for her, as will all single women -- single women are a strong demographic for her. Older fans who are married will probably vote similarly to their spouses and families. My hunch is that her fan base is older, mostly umarried women.
    3) She has some appeal to liberal whites, mainly because she's a well-spoken black woman who gives liberals that racial tingle -- obama redux.
    4) She's got the black vote locked up.
    5) She'll lose the white male vote by 70/30 or so.
    6) She'll probably lose the white female vote by 60/40 or so (even Trump got most of the white female vote).

    My prediction is that Trump will do something to combat vote fraud before the next general election. Voter ID? Whatever he does will severely limit the fraudulant, mostly minority, voting. If this happens, then suddenly, white Republicans will do much, much better in all elections. If he limits voting to actual citizens in their own states, he'll ensure Republican majorities in the near-term.

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  24. Corn says:

    Is there any sign she wants to be President? The media can talk all they want but if she doesn’t want to run….

    Now I know one or two photos with Harvey Weinstein may mean little by themselves but I believe there are rumors she has procured women for Weinstein or steered them his way. Lesbian rumors about her and Gayle King etc. She seems inoffensive enough but I think people would be surprised what Republican oppo research could dig up on her.

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    • Replies: @Dissident

    Lesbian rumors about her and Gayle King etc.
     
    Could such rumors harm a Democrat running in Current Year? If anything, wouldn't homosexual experience be considered a pro?
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  25. @Mike Zwick
    There is nobody out there that they can't promote from the diplomatic corps, Congress, or anybody else with experience in foreign relations, domestic policy etc? It seems like the media wants to choose the candidates for us. In the last election it was supposed to be Jeb vs. Hillary. Bernie Sanders and Trump spoiled that. The Dems cheated and that is the only reason why they got Hillary.

    Hillary Clinton always knew that she would bash the living hell out of Bernie by using the Aunt Jemima Strategy in the Southern primary states and states with large Black populations. The Aunt Jemima Strategy is defined as winning the Black lady voter bloc in the South and the larger Northern cities.

    The ruling class of the Democrat Party did cheat in favor of Hillary, but Hillary had her Black lady voters as a firewall to stop Sanders.

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  26. Neoconned says:
    @Opinionator
    The core elements of Trump's appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance, tax cuts, deregulation, withdrawal from Paris Accord, possible withdrawal from the Iran Deal. Even "infrastructure" is outside the scope of his core appeal.

    WTF??

    Exactly, stupid shit nobody cares about.

    Health insurance I can understand and maybe taxes but even then it shafts some middle class types and gives a negligible bump to others akin to skipping going out to eat a few times or not blowing as much on your wife or mistress.

    John welder doe in Michigan or Jane factory assembler doe in Ohio wants the factory they worked at that Dubya sent to Mexico thru his free trade bullshit brought back…. and no excuses….they want results and they want them now. And I don’t blame them.

    Iran? Ppl want the troops REDEPLOYED not pushed into more shit like what The Mustache Bolton wants on Fox news…let those animals murder each other. So what? They’ve been doing it since the 12th century or earlier….

    Nobody gives a shit about either Paris or deregulation.

    We’ve had gobs of that shit since the early 1980s w negligible benefits to any one other than Wall Street parasites & a few immigrant groups we’d frankly be fine without….

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  27. iffen says:
    @Isolee
    1. She'd easily win both the Dem nomination and the general (massive female vote combined with 2008 level black turnout, and no Hillary type Dem annointee standing in her way).
    2. Being President means a significant percentage of the country - and the world - will inevitably hate you. Trump can deal with this, I'm not sure Oprah would be so sanguine about it.
    3. Being President also means you are commander in chief. Again, ordering a bombing run on an Afghan terrorist camp which may harbour children is probably something that comes far easier to Trump (or even Hillary) than Oprah.
    4. That this is even in (semi) serious conversation demonstrates how pathetically thin the Dem bench is. If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020. Who presents for the Dems now? Pocahontas? Sanders? (Although a white male probably can't win the Dem nomination for the forseeable future) a mediocrity like Harris?

    If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020.

    You seem to be implying that this is not a thin bench a la Democrats.

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  28. Oprah marveled at what a “brilliant” man Obama was. I believe Oprah really believes this; therefore, any campaign an Oprah would launch will reveal her to be an intellectual lightweight. And I doubt there will ever be another “black” president, given the abject failure of the Barry years.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    We've had several "intellectual lightweights" as president in recent years.

    And most people (and more importantly, the MSM) don't consider the Obama presidency to have been a failure--more like the Second Coming.

    You don't have to like these facts to admit that they are indeed facts.
    , @NoWeltschmerz
    How many people think Obama was an abject failure? I think the two-fold answer is:

    1) Not as many as you think
    2) Of those who do view him as an abject failure, not nearly enough of them are from the influential political, media, business and entertainment classes

    Unfortunately, Ann Coulter can only be counted once. Yes, there are some leftists who dislike him for one reason or another, but the people who truly consider him to be a lightweight with no substantive accomplishments are not the most influential of the body politic.

    , @Authenticjazzman
    I Just shudder at the vision of this unread, crude nitwit becoming US President.

    America is doomed, there is no more hope for survival when such cretins are even considered for political office.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa " qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.
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  29. You know how as the Roman Empire disintegrated, every general got a shot a being acclaimed emperor by their troops? This feels like that, but a total farce.

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  30. Svigor says:

    So, can Oprah do something similar? Somehow I doubt that the host of a daytime talk show for women has much to say to the country at large.

    It was already a close election, even with Hillary’s negatives. Oprah doesn’t have those, so it’s gonna be down to how much incumbent advantage Trump gets. So far I’m thinking “not much” because there’s no wall and no substantial results on immigration.

    People act like celebrity is all there is to it, celebrity is an asset for sure and Oprah is on paper a giant saber-toothed mecha tiger. She achieves it at least in part though by staying away from the kind of crap she’d have to embrace to go into politics. It remains to be seen whether she has any ability at all to thread that needle or whether ‘Oprah on Economic Policy’ or ‘Oprah on the Chinese trade deficit’ would just implode. It’s more than just celebrity.

    It takes a certain amount of savvy to know which topics to avoid. Sure, Oprah is new to politics but her skill set has a lot of overlap. How much she is going to enjoy the campaign grind is an open question.

    She’s certainly going to have air supremacy (fawning Big Medi coverage with no substantial criticism or skepticism) from now until the end of time.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance mandate

    There, I think I fixed that for you.

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  31. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The American people need to ask themselves, how did it ever get to this? Oprah vs. Trump?

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    Bread and games!
    , @Anonymous

    The American people need to ask themselves, how did it ever get to this? Oprah vs. Trump?
     
    What, two highly successful billionaires? The business of America is business. It’s hard to come up any other candidates who have similar records of accomplishment. The last Democrat candidate used her husband’s political skills and office to gain for herself government sinecures and political office.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Universal suffrage, mass participatory democracy will inevitably generate into a popularity contest, especially for high-visibility offices such as the President.
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  32. @Opinionator
    The core elements of Trump's appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance, tax cuts, deregulation, withdrawal from Paris Accord, possible withdrawal from the Iran Deal. Even "infrastructure" is outside the scope of his core appeal.

    WTF??

    It’s actually worse than that. The headline immigration policy has become an amnesty measure, DACA.

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    Only to semi autistic eeyores like you. Most people recognize what a gambit the Dems are in with DACA but don't let me stop you from being wrong.
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  33. Dr. X says:

    I’d like to say “Not a chance in hell…” but then again, that’s exactly what I said in 2008.

    There might be some support for her among blacks and lower class white women who live vicariously through cable TV, but even so I think it’s still a near-impossibility.

    The Left might argue that she’s a female Trump — a celebrity with no political experience — but I think Trump is sui generis. Plus, Trump has an actual political agenda… it’s not clear to me that Winfrey does, and whatever agenda she comes up with ain’t gonna sell to a lot of voters.

    I say “Meh…” not worth thinking about this far out from 2020. The Drudge headline is just clickbait…of course, it would have helped if Trump hadn’t opened his piehole and mentioned her for vice president…

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    This is absurd to think about. It’s mainly a misdirection from how otherwise worthless Hollywood become.

    They make good children’s films but nothing more.

    Oprah has no chance. Full stop.

    Obama was a Harvard Law grad and was a US Senator for at least a cup of coffee. Trump broke out with his position on immigration and his aggressive takedown of the Uniparty. Something long overdue.
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  34. Dissident says:
    @Isolee
    1. She'd easily win both the Dem nomination and the general (massive female vote combined with 2008 level black turnout, and no Hillary type Dem annointee standing in her way).
    2. Being President means a significant percentage of the country - and the world - will inevitably hate you. Trump can deal with this, I'm not sure Oprah would be so sanguine about it.
    3. Being President also means you are commander in chief. Again, ordering a bombing run on an Afghan terrorist camp which may harbour children is probably something that comes far easier to Trump (or even Hillary) than Oprah.
    4. That this is even in (semi) serious conversation demonstrates how pathetically thin the Dem bench is. If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020. Who presents for the Dems now? Pocahontas? Sanders? (Although a white male probably can't win the Dem nomination for the forseeable future) a mediocrity like Harris?

    ordering a bombing run on an Afghan terrorist camp which may harbour children is probably something that comes far easier to Trump (or even especially Hillary) than Oprah.

    Note the change I made in your text.

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  35. Oprah would get a larger share of the white woman vote than Hillary. Oprah would get blacks out to vote. Those two alone would give her a decent chance.

    If white working class men didn’t get excited one way or the other and stayed home, Oprah could win.

    Someone above made the good point, however, that Oprah might not feel comfortable making half the country dislike her. Trump doesn’t care, but Oprah probably is chaulk full of feelings so that might stop her.

    I agree with others that this shows how shallow the Dem bench is. They are in a difficult transition period. The blacks and browns want to take over the party, but it’s too early for that. They’re a decade or two ahead of schedule. But after Obama, they just can’t bear to let a white person – especially a white guy – be the Dem nominee, so they’re stuck. Too early for a run-of-the-mill nominee of color but no support from the blacks and browns for the legacy whites.

    Oprah would be a good person to bridge that gap.

    In a couple of decades, the Dems will have Florida, Virginia (that’s basically already happened) and maybe even Texas or Arizona and that will be the end of any real competition for the White House. At that point, the Dems can rotate between a black, Hispanic, white women and “other” president.

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    Dems have become party of social parasites--am I wrong?
    , @Anonymous

    In a couple of decades, the Dems will have Florida, Virginia (that’s basically already happened) and maybe even Texas or Arizona and that will be the end of any real competition for the White House. At that point, the Dems can rotate between a black, Hispanic, white women and “other” president.
     
    Virginia's already flipped--felon voting along with a flood of third-world immigrants have sealed that deal--and Florida's not far behind. Trump is the last Republican president.
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  36. Dissident says:
    @Opinionator
    The core elements of Trump's appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance, tax cuts, deregulation, withdrawal from Paris Accord, possible withdrawal from the Iran Deal. Even "infrastructure" is outside the scope of his core appeal.

    WTF??

    Anyone surprised at any of what you point-out was never paying too close attention.

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  37. Oprah is probably the only voice that Black America might ever listen to if she had the courage to call out the excesses of the Black-Lives-Matter gangster-demagogues.

    She could be the last chance to heal some of the identity-politics rifts if she has the guts to alienate some of the most divisive voices that would probably support her. But that’s exactly what needs to happen. It’s not like that pack will ever listen to voices like Heather MacDonald no matter how correct they are.

    Don’t hold your breath.

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    I don’t see that as ever happening. For all we know Oprah thinks BLM and Antifa are fine and dandy. In fact, most likely she does.

    It could be a Merkel-esque disaster actually, but with added racial animus.
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  38. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Opinionator
    The core elements of Trump's appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance, tax cuts, deregulation, withdrawal from Paris Accord, possible withdrawal from the Iran Deal. Even "infrastructure" is outside the scope of his core appeal.

    WTF??

    Trump had to pay tribute to McConnell and Ryan in case an impeachment case was made. The changed priorities were Mueller’s doing and the Russia fraud.

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    Bannon said in the 60 Minutes interview that the program for 2017 was, first, Obamacare repeal, then, tax reform, and, finally, infrastructure to finish the year.
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  39. Bring it. Prop her up on a big rose pedal covered float. Have Beyonce flash her vagina in support at every awards show from now until election night. Have the NBPP provide security for every townhall.

    Her embarrassing defeat would be a fitting end to an overblown, overrated, vacuum-sealed career of air-head daytime “journalism”.

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    Blue Ribbon comment.
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  40. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Oprah show is one of the things that helped take American popular culture down the toilet. The average American brain actually shrunk down to the size of a peanut during the years of her show. May as well bring dumbo back to finish off whatever’s left. Getting people to clap for their own demise, the wonder of America.

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  41. rogue-one says:

    Sailer wrote sometime back

    >Having spent about 15 seconds in The Presence in 1987, Oprah remains the greatest natural politician I`ve ever met.

    (http://www.vdare.com/posts/oprah-the-other-o-in-2016)

    If Steve is correct and still holds that view, then I guess Trump stands no chance in 2020. While Trump got one big thing right (immigration), he was greatly helped by deeply uncharismatic Hillary. If the elections are close, Oprah would defeat Trump.

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  42. The white working class in the Rust Belt just LOVE a rich, spoiled black woman.

    Democrats are gonna CRUSH it in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan.

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    But how do their wives/girlfriends/babymommas feel about her? That's what will decide the election.

    I don't know the answer, because my contact with that demographic is somewhat limited these days.
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  43. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Oprah would get a larger share of the white woman vote than Hillary. Oprah would get blacks out to vote. Those two alone would give her a decent chance.

    If white working class men didn't get excited one way or the other and stayed home, Oprah could win.

    Someone above made the good point, however, that Oprah might not feel comfortable making half the country dislike her. Trump doesn't care, but Oprah probably is chaulk full of feelings so that might stop her.

    I agree with others that this shows how shallow the Dem bench is. They are in a difficult transition period. The blacks and browns want to take over the party, but it's too early for that. They're a decade or two ahead of schedule. But after Obama, they just can't bear to let a white person - especially a white guy - be the Dem nominee, so they're stuck. Too early for a run-of-the-mill nominee of color but no support from the blacks and browns for the legacy whites.

    Oprah would be a good person to bridge that gap.

    In a couple of decades, the Dems will have Florida, Virginia (that's basically already happened) and maybe even Texas or Arizona and that will be the end of any real competition for the White House. At that point, the Dems can rotate between a black, Hispanic, white women and "other" president.

    Dems have become party of social parasites–am I wrong?

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  44. Dissident says:

    Tangentially related, I wonder how many of the “Me Too” crowd now invoking righteous indignation over alleged sexual offenses against women are the same people who gave Roman Polanski a pass. (We certainly know that more than a few of the aforementioned morally outraged gave Bill Clinton a pass.) Also, when it came to Polanski (and any number of others), weren’t we told that personal moral failings are no reason not to recognize and celebrate the accomplishments of one who is a talented artist? That we must separate the flawed man from the brilliant artist? (Certainly, when it comes to Martin Luther King, Jr., we are told that his serial womanizing does not negate his holy, exalted, status as an icon of social justice.)

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    The me too crowd gave convicted pedophilia and rapistvRoman Polanski a standing ovation a few years ago.
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  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I wouldn’t vote for her, but I’d take her over all the GOP candidates in the last election other than Trump and Paul.

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  46. @Anon
    The American people need to ask themselves, how did it ever get to this? Oprah vs. Trump?

    Bread and games!

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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The American people need to ask themselves, how did it ever get to this? Oprah vs. Trump?

    The American people need to ask themselves, how did it ever get to this? Oprah vs. Trump?

    What, two highly successful billionaires? The business of America is business. It’s hard to come up any other candidates who have similar records of accomplishment. The last Democrat candidate used her husband’s political skills and office to gain for herself government sinecures and political office.

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  48. Dissident says:
    @Whiskey
    Would any man vote for her?

    Would any man vote for her?

    Well, if you apply the term “man” loosely enough, then yes, I would think; those “woke” males who recognize the scourge of “toxic masculinity” and are eager to make amends for the extensive history of misogyny and sexism…

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  49. Barnard says:
    @the raven
    The rage-addled left just can’t bring itself to see what happened in the election. If Trump had run Jeb Bush’s campaign, would he have won? No, of course not. He ran as a populist, emphasizing issues that people care deeply about, but that no candidate of either party would touch — especially immigration, but also offshoring.

    So, can Oprah do something similar? Somehow I doubt that the host of a daytime talk show for women has much to say to the country at large.

    Oprah would be running to appeal to the women who felt cheated of Hillary winning her election, she would not be going after Trump voters. That Trump barely won has to be considered a factor. One question is whether or not black men would turn out to vote for her like they did for Obama. I doubt their enthusiasm level would be the same, especially if Oprah went all in on the women’s empowerment rhetoric.

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    I feel the same about a lot of Latino men. I think they have a lingering patriarchal streak to where they would probably just stay home. I actually think Hillary being a woman was part of why Trump technically did a little better with blacks and Latinos than Romney.
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  51. Our national degradation will be complete.

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  52. Anonym says:
    @Isolee
    1. She'd easily win both the Dem nomination and the general (massive female vote combined with 2008 level black turnout, and no Hillary type Dem annointee standing in her way).
    2. Being President means a significant percentage of the country - and the world - will inevitably hate you. Trump can deal with this, I'm not sure Oprah would be so sanguine about it.
    3. Being President also means you are commander in chief. Again, ordering a bombing run on an Afghan terrorist camp which may harbour children is probably something that comes far easier to Trump (or even Hillary) than Oprah.
    4. That this is even in (semi) serious conversation demonstrates how pathetically thin the Dem bench is. If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020. Who presents for the Dems now? Pocahontas? Sanders? (Although a white male probably can't win the Dem nomination for the forseeable future) a mediocrity like Harris?

    1. She’d easily win both the Dem nomination and the general (massive female vote combined with 2008 level black turnout, and no Hillary type Dem annointee standing in her way).

    I doubt she would beat incumbent Trump. The last black, media annointed president was not a great success. Hillary the candidacy was something of a BO third term and despite the most helpful media possibly in history, the people said no.

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  53. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Would any man vote for her?

    Nearly half of men would vote for any Democrat.
    Though not all of them deserve to be called men.

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  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    The Dems are going for the TV-watching, Oprah-loving female voter. All emotion and no substantive policy. Might work.

    2014 Tweet:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/518108200391163904

    White women will have to be appealed to explicitly in racial terms if Oprah runs. The White ladies who think Oprah is their imaginary Black pal will have to be snapped out of their lunacy with tough rhetoric.

    White political leaders will have to connect Oprah to Black criminality, Black Lives Matter thuggery, Black rape against White females, Black IQ and Black lack of impulse control and the fact that sub-Saharan Africa is a hell hole because of the Blacks who live there.

    Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore, Newark and every other region of Black population concentration must be used as an example of what happens when Blacks run amok.

    Oprah will be a good wedge to separate out the weak cowardly cuckservatives like Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell. White women want a White political leader who will fight for them. Oprah should be encouraged to run.

    Oprah makes the politics racial; any politics that leads to explicit WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS is good.

    None of that’s gonna happen. You’re an unregenerate racist from another era.

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  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Meretricious
    Oprah marveled at what a "brilliant" man Obama was. I believe Oprah really believes this; therefore, any campaign an Oprah would launch will reveal her to be an intellectual lightweight. And I doubt there will ever be another "black" president, given the abject failure of the Barry years.

    We’ve had several “intellectual lightweights” as president in recent years.

    And most people (and more importantly, the MSM) don’t consider the Obama presidency to have been a failure–more like the Second Coming.

    You don’t have to like these facts to admit that they are indeed facts.

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    you're wrong--even liberals came to loathe him. Here's a typical article on his crappy reign:

    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-barack-obamas-presidency-failed-19016
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  56. eah says:

    More of the same.

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  57. sabril says:

    How would she hold up to opposition research? How would she deal with the aggressive criticism and mud-slinging? I doubt she would do all that well emotionally. In fact, while she is quite likeable as a person (compared to Hillary), she doesn’t really project leadership.

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  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Oprah would get a larger share of the white woman vote than Hillary. Oprah would get blacks out to vote. Those two alone would give her a decent chance.

    If white working class men didn't get excited one way or the other and stayed home, Oprah could win.

    Someone above made the good point, however, that Oprah might not feel comfortable making half the country dislike her. Trump doesn't care, but Oprah probably is chaulk full of feelings so that might stop her.

    I agree with others that this shows how shallow the Dem bench is. They are in a difficult transition period. The blacks and browns want to take over the party, but it's too early for that. They're a decade or two ahead of schedule. But after Obama, they just can't bear to let a white person - especially a white guy - be the Dem nominee, so they're stuck. Too early for a run-of-the-mill nominee of color but no support from the blacks and browns for the legacy whites.

    Oprah would be a good person to bridge that gap.

    In a couple of decades, the Dems will have Florida, Virginia (that's basically already happened) and maybe even Texas or Arizona and that will be the end of any real competition for the White House. At that point, the Dems can rotate between a black, Hispanic, white women and "other" president.

    In a couple of decades, the Dems will have Florida, Virginia (that’s basically already happened) and maybe even Texas or Arizona and that will be the end of any real competition for the White House. At that point, the Dems can rotate between a black, Hispanic, white women and “other” president.

    Virginia’s already flipped–felon voting along with a flood of third-world immigrants have sealed that deal–and Florida’s not far behind. Trump is the last Republican president.

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    Yeah, he may be. If he lasts 8 years, there's a pretty good chance that he'll be the last. Regardless, once Florida flips, it's basically over. Sooner or later, Texas or Arizona will flip as well.

    Of course, with the presidency comes the judges.

    We whites better get used to a lot more overt government policies against us - and in the name of equality, of course.
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  59. tyrone says:
    @Declane
    "Ms. Winfrey... where's your husband?"

    she has a man ………. and a woman

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  60. So, when do Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand and Kamala Harris start to undermine any popular support for Oprah? A side note, two blacks with very unusual names, Oprah and Barrack.

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  61. @anonymous
    Trump had to pay tribute to McConnell and Ryan in case an impeachment case was made. The changed priorities were Mueller's doing and the Russia fraud.

    Bannon said in the 60 Minutes interview that the program for 2017 was, first, Obamacare repeal, then, tax reform, and, finally, infrastructure to finish the year.

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  62. Anon7 says:

    It’s easy to trash Oprah as a tear-jerking lightweight TV show host, but don’t forget that she is a self-made entrepreneur worth $3 billion (according to Forbes), and I don’t think anyone just handed it to her. She seems to know how to assemble teams of people to make money in difficult industries. She seems to have a gift for reaching out to the masses of people and getting them to support her.

    Sound familiar? I’m just saying.

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    Oprah is something.
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  63. Jonah says:

    She is a cipher. A black lady Talented Mr. Ripley. She’s a human Rorschach test. Are you rich? Me too! Are you poor? Me too! Are you downtrodden? Girl, I got you. Are you a boss? I have an an empire!

    Such people do not appear on ballots or relent to 18 months of pointed questions. They cannot afford to. You can’t run for president on fame alone. Sooner or later you have to fight for something other than your own aggrandizement. A lot of somethings. A whole platform. You have to have an answer to every question. Trump had an agenda. He took a risk to espouse it and it cost him millions of fans and customers. Will Oprah piss off half of the country that has made her a saint? I doubt it.

    What would Oprah’s agenda be? Once she is forced to espouse it, the warm feelings for her woud go away. And she would be exposed as a know nothing on so many issues. And she knows that better than anyone. Which is why she won’t run.

    Ms. Winfrey, what would have us do about Pakistan. Do you know anything about Pakistan’s role in that region?
    Ms. Winfrey, how do you feel about late term abortion?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you support the police?
    Ms. Winfrey, we can’t just give everyone a new car. How would you pay for your proposed programs?
    Ms. Winfrey, you used to claim to have kept cockroaches as pets. What the hell was that about?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you believe in the institution of marriage? If so, why haven’t you married this Steadman guy yet?
    Ms. Winfrey, you’ve said old white people “just have to die.” Can you elaborate?

    Please.

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    Ms. Winfrey, what would have us do about Pakistan. Do you know anything about Pakistan’s role in that region?
    Ms. Winfrey, how do you feel about late term abortion?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you support the police?
    Ms. Winfrey, we can’t just give everyone a new car. How would you pay for your proposed programs?
    Ms. Winfrey, you used to claim to have kept cockroaches as pets. What the hell was that about?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you believe in the institution of marriage? If so, why haven’t you married this Steadman guy yet?
    Ms. Winfrey, you’ve said old white people “just have to die.” Can you elaborate?
     
    These are questions that a Republican candidate would be asked.

    Oprah would be asked nothing more challenging than "what's your favorite Beyonce song?"
    , @anonguy

    Ms. Winfrey, what would have us do about Pakistan. Do you know anything about Pakistan’s role in that region?
    Ms. Winfrey, how do you feel about late term abortion?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you support the police?
    Ms. Winfrey, we can’t just give everyone a new car. How would you pay for your proposed programs?
    Ms. Winfrey, you used to claim to have kept cockroaches as pets. What the hell was that about?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you believe in the institution of marriage? If so, why haven’t you married this Steadman guy yet?
    Ms. Winfrey, you’ve said old white people “just have to die.” Can you elaborate?

    Please.
     
    Look, you just aren't getting it. All of Trump's opponents also thought that winning an election was entirely a checklist thing with a dash of charisma/wit for close calls.

    Trump didn't play that game, either immediately deflected in a different direction or provided intelligent counter fire that shuts down the questions. The canonical instance of this was the abortion question, he just cut to the chase, do all you who think it is a crime think the woman should be punished.

    Ended all checklists. It is what some - it is just one item in the toolbox - natural, gifted leaders can do rather than figure out how to be the best mandarin/courtier possible.

    Anyhow, Oprah will have her bag of tricks, she is a formidable individual.
    , @FozzieT
    The press would never ask her those questions.
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  64. @rogue-one
    I wonder how will middle class white women vote? (i think) Oprah is popular among that demographic. If Oprah can attract a majority of white women along with minority votes, she can really pull it off.

    I don't think Oprah will be a competent president. But she sure as hell can be a very very competitive candidate.

    TV has ruined politics. Ever since the landmark televised Nixon-Kennedy debates, it’s all about who has charisma. Oh, to have someone boring and competent manage the country without having to INSPIRE it!

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    Merkel has no charisma. She is destroying whatever is left of Germany. Hillary had no charisma but she would have been American Merkel if elected.

    Yeah competence will be good. But I am not sure if there is any correlation between leader's charisma and competence.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Oh, to have someone boring and competent manage the country without having to INSPIRE it!
     
    Oh, come on. Nobody could do boring like Obama could.

    And "managing the country" is not in the president's, nor anybody else's, job description. He's charged with presiding over the government. That's all.
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  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Oprah on older whites who grew up in a racist culture:

    “They just have to die.”

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    The mere quote "They just have to die" doesn't do justice to her utterance of it.

    Her affect when she says it is just chilling.

    Worse even than the Qaddafi thing with Hillary, which was merely callous.

    There's a real vicious satisfaction in Oprah's voice and face when says her thing about the entire generation of whites.

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  66. @Anon7
    It’s easy to trash Oprah as a tear-jerking lightweight TV show host, but don’t forget that she is a self-made entrepreneur worth $3 billion (according to Forbes), and I don’t think anyone just handed it to her. She seems to know how to assemble teams of people to make money in difficult industries. She seems to have a gift for reaching out to the masses of people and getting them to support her.

    Sound familiar? I’m just saying.

    Oprah is something.

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    In what sense? How much of the, err, product that she produces (directly or indirectly) have or do you personally consume?

    'Oprah's a liar': Sales assistant in Swiss racist handbag row denies telling TV host that she could not view item because she couldn't afford

    You should start working on the book now.
    , @utu
    It was Oprah who sold Obama to African-Americans. Remember "He is the One, he is the One" at pro Obama rallies she organized in 2008/2009?
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    So is a turd in a punch bowl.
    , @Bill jones
    The party of the perverts, the parasites and the privileged.?
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  68. Whereas Trump is a covert intellectual billionaire with self-interested goals, which just happen to align with fly-over deplorables desire to see less immigration and less off-shoring of jobs and wealth…

    Oprah is a fake populist who is un-intellectual, pro-unbridled immigration, and uses off-shoring to make herself wealthy.

    Whereas Trump wants the US to pull back from the role of world’s policeman, Oprah would get on her moral soapbox and demand troops be sent everywhere, especially Africa.

    Night and Day.

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  69. @Anonymous
    We've had several "intellectual lightweights" as president in recent years.

    And most people (and more importantly, the MSM) don't consider the Obama presidency to have been a failure--more like the Second Coming.

    You don't have to like these facts to admit that they are indeed facts.

    you’re wrong–even liberals came to loathe him. Here’s a typical article on his crappy reign:

    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-barack-obamas-presidency-failed-19016

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  70. Beardman says:

    Thanks to Trump’s new job, he’ll have a lot of information on Oprah, that we otherwise aren’t privy to, and that should scare her. Trumps camp doesn’t have to release it. He can hand it off to auxillory players to release, like dems have with their Wolf fiasco. That wasn’t done via investigative reporting with CNN’s name stamped on it. It was published by an outlier little turd with no shame, so the media can blare it, without having to take responsibility. It’s the most effective plan the dems have ever fashioned against Trump, and not a difficult strategy for republicans to learn… for Oprah Time.

    Then there’s the well known “foreign policy” romps Oprah has authored, including her “African Girls Empowerment School”! Thanks to her management and execution skills, it turned into an unabashed “Rape Nest” for young black girls. The students were raped by their teachers, as well as raping each other. That’s quite a lot of raping. I’d be willing to bet more went on there, and victims can be easily found to participate in re-election rallies. Running for president might be the only time I would ever say, “Oprah ain’t got the belly for it.” Also, if she’s gonna run for President, she better come out as gay pretty soon, or Trump will do it for her.

    I don’t think Oprah is stupid enough to run for the office, but she’s surprised me before.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568410/Oprah-Winfreys-school-in-child-abuse-scandal.html

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    Oprah is more scandalled-up than a Podesta vacationing in Portugal, but if anyone can make the sheeple forget raped girls, it's Oprah.
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  71. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Oprah’s TV show got cancelled in 2011. Her audience got tired of her, and the old horse is ready for the glue factory. By 2020, she will have been off the air 9 years. People don’t vote for tired has-beens. If she runs, she’ll draw only the black female audience. Black men, Hispanics, and whites won’t bother with her. Black men don’t want to get scolded by her for 4 years exactly the way white men didn’t want to be scolded by Hillary.

    Besides, everyone knows in their heart of hearts that black women are dumb and don’t know anything about politics. She’ll crater in the primary. After a lifetime of making deals, Trump looked like a viable candidate. Oprah made her career by talking about nothing but how she and other women feel, and that’s not a governmental skill or anything that prepares you for an executive job. Presidents spend their time solving problem after problem, and that’s a man-skill that Oprah never developed.

    If Hillary couldn’t get elected against a political novice, Oprah isn’t getting elected. There aren’t enough blacks in Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania to swing the vote towards a candidate every white knows is horribly unqualified.

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    Oprah’s TV show got cancelled in 2011. Her audience got tired of her, and the old horse is ready for the glue factory

    Actually Oprah remained the #1 syndicated talk show all the way to her last season. Her final show got a record 16 million viewers
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  72. Svigor says:

    I can see Oprah running, and possibly winning, against Trump. I don’t see Oprah running in a real primary. The powers behind the scenes would need to suppress the opposition, maybe sending out the message that “it is time” for a black woman and anyone who runs against her is a sexist racist. But fixing the primary didn’t work out so well last time. But that won’t necessarily stop them from doing it again.

    I was thinking something similar; Oprah might find her hardest going in the primary.

    I’d like to say “Not a chance in hell…” but then again, that’s exactly what I said in 2008.

    Yeah, same here. I actually thought there was some deep well of wisdom that would prevent the electorate from giving a completely unqualified unknown a pass just because he was Black. I was wrong.

    On the other hand, I give you John McCain. There’s plenty of deep wisdom screaming “danger!” about that guy.

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    I doubt we have to worry any more about McCain, due to his cancer and chemo treatment.
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  73. @Meretricious
    Oprah marveled at what a "brilliant" man Obama was. I believe Oprah really believes this; therefore, any campaign an Oprah would launch will reveal her to be an intellectual lightweight. And I doubt there will ever be another "black" president, given the abject failure of the Barry years.

    How many people think Obama was an abject failure? I think the two-fold answer is:

    1) Not as many as you think
    2) Of those who do view him as an abject failure, not nearly enough of them are from the influential political, media, business and entertainment classes

    Unfortunately, Ann Coulter can only be counted once. Yes, there are some leftists who dislike him for one reason or another, but the people who truly consider him to be a lightweight with no substantive accomplishments are not the most influential of the body politic.

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    >you are limited to the establishment's pet thought leaders
    Okay then why try? And how leaderly were those thought leaders last November?
    , @Anon
    I think there is a lot of quiet liberal weariness with Obama. For many, he didn't deliver the goods, and that was disillusioning. Every black now knows that a black in office isn't going to make them richer. Every white knows that a black in office isn't going to be the second coming. His signature legislation, Obamacare, is falling apart and is about as expensive as the health insurance people were complaining about before Obamacare existed.

    You have 3 generations of voters who are going to be looking for someone who delivers instead of promises. People are ready for a practical man, not one who just gives lectures. Liberals won't say it, but they know now Obama is just a guy who wanted to live the good life, hog everyone's attention with his endless boring media presence, and do nothing.
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  74. Dissident says:
    @Corn
    Is there any sign she wants to be President? The media can talk all they want but if she doesn’t want to run....

    Now I know one or two photos with Harvey Weinstein may mean little by themselves but I believe there are rumors she has procured women for Weinstein or steered them his way. Lesbian rumors about her and Gayle King etc. She seems inoffensive enough but I think people would be surprised what Republican oppo research could dig up on her.

    Lesbian rumors about her and Gayle King etc.

    Could such rumors harm a Democrat running in Current Year? If anything, wouldn’t homosexual experience be considered a pro?

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    Yea, but her old-woman fan base of 60+, mostly single voters, still get squeaming when faced with carpet munching, etc. With them, traditional morality runs deep.

    For most people, lesbianism is innately repulsive, but such feelings are hidden. Will they stay hidden in a ballot-box? I don't think so. If Republicans create a drip-drip-drip of revelations about her sexual proclivities, fence-sitters will go against her.
    , @Bill jones
    I'm sure black men would love it.
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  75. Is it too early to pre-declare her the greatest POTUS in our nation’s history?

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    Is it too early for her to be given a Nobel Peace Prize?
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  76. ic1000 says:
    @Lars Porsena
    I'll get back to you when we've seen The Oprah get explicitly political without alienating half the country at least.

    People act like celebrity is all there is to it, celebrity is an asset for sure and Oprah is on paper a giant saber-toothed mecha tiger. She achieves it at least in part though by staying away from the kind of crap she'd have to embrace to go into politics. It remains to be seen whether she has any ability at all to thread that needle or whether 'Oprah on Economic Policy' or 'Oprah on the Chinese trade deficit' would just implode. It's more than just celebrity.

    If she's POTUS people will expect her to do more than just recommend feel good books and buy the audience cars. Trump's celebrity definitely helped but you have to keep in mind he was the kind of asshole celebrity that migrates well into politics. He was complaining about Chinese trade deficits 20 years ago as part of his whole image shtick. Let's see Oprah attach her celebrity to something that actually bitterly alienates half the country.

    > Let’s see Oprah attach her celebrity to something that actually bitterly alienates half the country.

    Well. I watched Seth Myers’ intro monologue at the Golden Globes. Myers made comment after comment and joke after joke about his target — heteronormative white males — that would spell social infamy and career death if directed at any other demographic (women, blacks, Jews, the disabled, gays, Hispanics, etc.). His bicoastal elite audience was entraptured — Derbyshire’s Cold Civil War in action.

    With the seamless segue from Myers to the tongue bath of the Oprah 2020 kickoff, I already feel quite bitterly alienated, thanks for asking.

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  77. JohnnyD says:

    I don’t think Oprah complaining about micro-aggressions is going to have the same appeal to people in fly-over country. But then again, Oprah could unite the coalition of the fringes, since she’s a rich black lesbian.

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    Oprah is part of that "Hamiltonian" set of wierdly non-representative rich mixed gay blacks. Thing is, I get the sense that "real blacks" had had enough of that distinct group by Obama's second term.
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  78. J.Ross says: • Website

    Oprah’s influence came from having the ideal time slot in the last years of network television. Now she struggles for viewers. She has never been a strategist.
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    Her show was just a copy of Phil Donahue. But she and her adoring audience turned it into a billion dollar brand.
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  79. J.Ross says: • Website
    @NoWeltschmerz
    How many people think Obama was an abject failure? I think the two-fold answer is:

    1) Not as many as you think
    2) Of those who do view him as an abject failure, not nearly enough of them are from the influential political, media, business and entertainment classes

    Unfortunately, Ann Coulter can only be counted once. Yes, there are some leftists who dislike him for one reason or another, but the people who truly consider him to be a lightweight with no substantive accomplishments are not the most influential of the body politic.

    >you are limited to the establishment’s pet thought leaders
    Okay then why try? And how leaderly were those thought leaders last November?

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    I'm not limited to anyone's thought leaders. I'm simply pointing out that celebrating pyrrhic victories is pointless. We've lost essentially every domestic battle fought in the last 30 years, so there's not much to celebrate. We can keep pointing out that we win the substantive debate, that we dominate the radio talk show market, that liberals wallow in hypocrisy and that Trump got elected. Who controls the narrative and who is in it for the long-haul? What's the date when Obamacare is phased out? Where's the wall? But hey, none of that matters because I read an article somewhere that some people are souring a bit on him after he served two terms as president.

    If we think that debating whether all Democrats and/or leftists actually love and respect Obama will accomplish anything that matters, we're wrong. They care about ultimate victory, not consistency or who was "proved wrong." We can point to Bill Clinton's reputation finally taking a hit now that he's no longer of any use to the "establishment", but so what? In 2016, we had an openly socialist candidate for one of the two major U.S. political parties run for the U.S. presidency and nearly get nominated (perhaps if not for some shenanigans on the part of the Clinton campaign, he would have been the nominee). This nearly 30 years after we "won" the Cold War and "proved" that Communism and Socialism doesn't work. Even someone as ignorant as then Senator Obama (granted, it might have been a ghostwriter) was smart enough to quote Faulkner that "The past is never dead. It's not even past."

    So, we should try to win, but we need to focus on the right things and not whether some people somewhere might consider Obama to be a failure at some point in the future. Obama's aim was to radically change the U.S. and he made some real progress in doing so; I would in no way characterize it is an abject failure if you properly understood what he was trying to do. It took years for any of the mainstream press to acknowledge Jimmy Carter was a bad president, but he is still heralded by many as a "great ex-president." There are many in the U.S. who would agree. I think we're already behind the eight ball and can ill afford to spend time guessing how politicians, historians and the press treat Obama in the future.
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  80. eah says:

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    I haven't paid much attention to Bill Kristol, but if he's supporting Oprah, he's dumber than a turnip.
    , @anon
    I've been aware of Bill Kristol for my entire adult life, so nothing he does really surprises me anymore. But he still finds a way to get on my nerves every time he does what he does.

    I can be having a pretty good day, and then I can read something from Kristol, and he'll still find a way to make me irritable. Is he doing it on purpose, you think?

    Does he want David French to be her VP?
    , @George
    Oprah's Anti-war series
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah%27s_Anti-war_series

    Trump vs O, bring it on.
    , @Anonymous
    Well, in case there was any ambiguity about where Oprah stood on the JQ,
    I think it may now be laid to rest..
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  81. An Open Thread about a black woman running for president?

    Haven’t read the thread yet BUT betting there’s going to be at least five eeyores declaring how Trump cant win against a sassy neck snapper prone to chimpouts.

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  82. JimB says:

    Watch all the hilarious Debra Wilson MadTV parodies of Oprah while you still can. They are about to disappear down the YouTube censorship hole.

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    Thanks for sharing :)

    It had me in tears, even if they did steal the end directly from Terry Jones's Mr Creosote.
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  83. mikeja says:

    She could beat Jeb but I don’t see her wanting to get in the pig-pen with Trump.

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    She could beat Jeb but I don’t see her wanting to get in the pig-pen with Trump.
     
    Are you even kidding. The cries of "you go girl" will reverberate from coast to coast..
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  84. @Opinionator
    It's actually worse than that. The headline immigration policy has become an amnesty measure, DACA.

    Only to semi autistic eeyores like you. Most people recognize what a gambit the Dems are in with DACA but don’t let me stop you from being wrong.

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    Six eeyores!

    I swear, this place is more enamored of semi successful black women than Blue Checkmark Twitter. Oprah, Michelle Obama, Kamala Harris...Beyonce?

    Some of you have never met a black person I think. Lmao.
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  85. I think I’ve figured this out.

    We’re in the Matrix and Paddy Chayefsky is in control of it.

    “I am the paraclete of Caborca!”

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  86. eah says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Oprah is something.

    In what sense? How much of the, err, product that she produces (directly or indirectly) have or do you personally consume?

    ‘Oprah’s a liar’: Sales assistant in Swiss racist handbag row denies telling TV host that she could not view item because she couldn’t afford

    You should start working on the book now.

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    The shopgirl could easily play an Alicia Machado-type role in the 2020 debates.
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  87. @Jack Hanson
    Only to semi autistic eeyores like you. Most people recognize what a gambit the Dems are in with DACA but don't let me stop you from being wrong.

    Six eeyores!

    I swear, this place is more enamored of semi successful black women than Blue Checkmark Twitter. Oprah, Michelle Obama, Kamala Harris…Beyonce?

    Some of you have never met a black person I think. Lmao.

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  88. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @NoWeltschmerz
    How many people think Obama was an abject failure? I think the two-fold answer is:

    1) Not as many as you think
    2) Of those who do view him as an abject failure, not nearly enough of them are from the influential political, media, business and entertainment classes

    Unfortunately, Ann Coulter can only be counted once. Yes, there are some leftists who dislike him for one reason or another, but the people who truly consider him to be a lightweight with no substantive accomplishments are not the most influential of the body politic.

    I think there is a lot of quiet liberal weariness with Obama. For many, he didn’t deliver the goods, and that was disillusioning. Every black now knows that a black in office isn’t going to make them richer. Every white knows that a black in office isn’t going to be the second coming. His signature legislation, Obamacare, is falling apart and is about as expensive as the health insurance people were complaining about before Obamacare existed.

    You have 3 generations of voters who are going to be looking for someone who delivers instead of promises. People are ready for a practical man, not one who just gives lectures. Liberals won’t say it, but they know now Obama is just a guy who wanted to live the good life, hog everyone’s attention with his endless boring media presence, and do nothing.

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  89. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTCL-pmVAAAAixr.jpg

    I haven’t paid much attention to Bill Kristol, but if he’s supporting Oprah, he’s dumber than a turnip.

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  90. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Beardman
    Thanks to Trump's new job, he’ll have a lot of information on Oprah, that we otherwise aren't privy to, and that should scare her. Trumps camp doesn’t have to release it. He can hand it off to auxillory players to release, like dems have with their Wolf fiasco. That wasn’t done via investigative reporting with CNN's name stamped on it. It was published by an outlier little turd with no shame, so the media can blare it, without having to take responsibility. It’s the most effective plan the dems have ever fashioned against Trump, and not a difficult strategy for republicans to learn... for Oprah Time.

    Then there’s the well known "foreign policy" romps Oprah has authored, including her "African Girls Empowerment School"! Thanks to her management and execution skills, it turned into an unabashed "Rape Nest" for young black girls. The students were raped by their teachers, as well as raping each other. That’s quite a lot of raping. I’d be willing to bet more went on there, and victims can be easily found to participate in re-election rallies. Running for president might be the only time I would ever say, "Oprah ain’t got the belly for it." Also, if she’s gonna run for President, she better come out as gay pretty soon, or Trump will do it for her.

    I don’t think Oprah is stupid enough to run for the office, but she’s surprised me before.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568410/Oprah-Winfreys-school-in-child-abuse-scandal.html

    https://youtu.be/2tRo2gh6iPg

    Oprah is more scandalled-up than a Podesta vacationing in Portugal, but if anyone can make the sheeple forget raped girls, it’s Oprah.

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  91. eah says:
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  92. rogue-one says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    TV has ruined politics. Ever since the landmark televised Nixon-Kennedy debates, it's all about who has charisma. Oh, to have someone boring and competent manage the country without having to INSPIRE it!

    Merkel has no charisma. She is destroying whatever is left of Germany. Hillary had no charisma but she would have been American Merkel if elected.

    Yeah competence will be good. But I am not sure if there is any correlation between leader’s charisma and competence.

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  93. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Thoughts?

    I’d tell you, but I don’t want to be rude.

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  94. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://twitter.com/J66281014/status/950259670459052032

    The blond in that picture is now claiming that Weinstein raped her. Will anyone ask Oprah about that?

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    Who is she? I gather she's someone famous, but I can't place her. She looks really non-descript, like she ought to be selling Sno-Cones at a concession stand somewhere.
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  96. @Whiskey
    Would any man vote for her?

    Would any man vote for her?

    Did you not see the black men at the Golden Globes tearing up during her speech last night?

    She also has a HUGE gay male following

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    She also has a HUGE gay male following
     
    So that's 2 or 3% of the electorate locked in right there!
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  97. @Barnard
    Oprah would be running to appeal to the women who felt cheated of Hillary winning her election, she would not be going after Trump voters. That Trump barely won has to be considered a factor. One question is whether or not black men would turn out to vote for her like they did for Obama. I doubt their enthusiasm level would be the same, especially if Oprah went all in on the women's empowerment rhetoric.

    I feel the same about a lot of Latino men. I think they have a lingering patriarchal streak to where they would probably just stay home. I actually think Hillary being a woman was part of why Trump technically did a little better with blacks and Latinos than Romney.

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  98. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTCL-pmVAAAAixr.jpg

    I’ve been aware of Bill Kristol for my entire adult life, so nothing he does really surprises me anymore. But he still finds a way to get on my nerves every time he does what he does.

    I can be having a pretty good day, and then I can read something from Kristol, and he’ll still find a way to make me irritable. Is he doing it on purpose, you think?

    Does he want David French to be her VP?

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    That's definitely what the constant smile is about.
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  99. George says:

    I nominate, from the great state of California, Gov. Edmund Gerald Brown Jr. (Applause) Jerry Jerry Jerry Jerry ….

    But I actually like O better because a Trump vs O presidential race would let the world know what the future of American politics looks like, and it is not imperial leadership.

    God wants to end the American Empire and ridiculous celeb presidents are the means by which God will work this work. Trump ran on an anti imperial platform but was thwarted by lesser men that reject the will of God, but being the twitter hand of God Trump still accomplished God’s aim of ending US imperialism.

    shall there be foolishness in a nation, and the LORD hath not done it? Amos 3:6

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  100. Oprah might suddenly gain 100 pounds during her campaign. She has been known to do that from time to time. I wonder if that might confuse voters who don’t know how her weight fluctuates.

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  101. @Lars Porsena
    I'll get back to you when we've seen The Oprah get explicitly political without alienating half the country at least.

    People act like celebrity is all there is to it, celebrity is an asset for sure and Oprah is on paper a giant saber-toothed mecha tiger. She achieves it at least in part though by staying away from the kind of crap she'd have to embrace to go into politics. It remains to be seen whether she has any ability at all to thread that needle or whether 'Oprah on Economic Policy' or 'Oprah on the Chinese trade deficit' would just implode. It's more than just celebrity.

    If she's POTUS people will expect her to do more than just recommend feel good books and buy the audience cars. Trump's celebrity definitely helped but you have to keep in mind he was the kind of asshole celebrity that migrates well into politics. He was complaining about Chinese trade deficits 20 years ago as part of his whole image shtick. Let's see Oprah attach her celebrity to something that actually bitterly alienates half the country.

    “…asshole celebrity”

    LOL x ‘n’

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  102. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Oprah is something.

    It was Oprah who sold Obama to African-Americans. Remember “He is the One, he is the One” at pro Obama rallies she organized in 2008/2009?

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    She could lock down the pedophile sodomites vote by having Little Linda Graham as her VP. I'm sure he' d be delighted
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  103. 1. No matter who the democrats run, 2020 will be tough for Trump.

    2. Oprah with the mainstream media, government/establishment, capital, etc etc, all pushing hard behind her would be a strong candidate. Maybe the strongest the dems could possibly run.

    3. Oprah’s platform will be (implied): I’ll make the awfulness of Trump go away and you won’t have to care about politics anymore and life will be warm and fuzzy just like my TV show.

    4. Oprah might well beat Trump, but if he goes all out to try to win, he will BTFO the magic negro narrative and maybe even go explicit pro-White, which is still good for us

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    4. Oprah might well beat Trump, but if he goes all out to try to win, he will BTFO the magic negro narrative and maybe even go explicit pro-White, which is still good for us
     
    All of what you said is why it his loss will be very bad for us, and to some degree even if he should win. What matters is who owns the MSM, not who's in the White House.
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  104. Does Oprah like to spar on the big stage? She’s an empire builder for sure, but her public face is an interviewer and adopter, not a fighter.

    I think she’d be great on the stump, but the debate stage might be a huge challenge.

    Trump was great on the stump too, and very weak as a policy debater, but he loved to brawl.

    Obama had a hope/change vibe too, but he was also a lawyer – he wasn’t a great fighter but he had a lot more preparation for adversarial communication.

    Politics may be all about TV presence now, but it’s a specific sub-genre. Feel-good daytime chat shows are much different than the bloodsport of American politics. If you can’t crush your rivals in head-to-head showdowns, will people vote for you? (I feel like that’s one of the underrated elements to Roy Moore’s defeat – he wouldn’t debate Doug Jones down the stretch).

    This isn’t the Eisenhower era, when you can sidestep the gladiatorial arena and ride the establishment high road to the Presidency.

    Maybe Oprah has some brass knuckles – I’ve just never seen them.

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  105. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Half Canadian
    The blond in that picture is now claiming that Weinstein raped her. Will anyone ask Oprah about that?

    Who is she? I gather she’s someone famous, but I can’t place her. She looks really non-descript, like she ought to be selling Sno-Cones at a concession stand somewhere.

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  106. George says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTCL-pmVAAAAixr.jpg

    Oprah’s Anti-war series

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah%27s_Anti-war_series

    Trump vs O, bring it on.

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  107. iffen says:

    Steve,

    In the picture that you re-tweeted with Oprah, starlet and Weinstein, the starlet is obviously terrified and Oprah obviously sees this.

    Oprah for Prez is a fail.

    iffen

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  108. J.Ross says: • Website
    @JohnnyD
    I don't think Oprah complaining about micro-aggressions is going to have the same appeal to people in fly-over country. But then again, Oprah could unite the coalition of the fringes, since she's a rich black lesbian.

    Oprah is part of that “Hamiltonian” set of wierdly non-representative rich mixed gay blacks. Thing is, I get the sense that “real blacks” had had enough of that distinct group by Obama’s second term.

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  109. Winnie Wong, a co-founder of progressive group The People for Bernie Sanders, fired one of the first shots, describing Winfrey as “a neoliberal. Best in her class.

    “Now lets [sic] elect some motherf—ing democratic socialists,” she said, following up with a tweet linking to a story by The Guardian calling Winfrey “one of the world’s best neoliberal capitalist thinkers.”

    RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of National Nurses United and a prominent Sanders backer, also vented frustrations in an interview with U.S. News.

    “We don’t have time for personality politics anymore. We’ve got that right now. We’ve got the greatest apprentice on earth,” DeMoro says, referring derisively to Trump. “We’ve substituted personalities for expertise in this country. The election itself has to be an in-depth debate about economic policy. That’s not her skill set. It has to be with people who seriously worked in government and understand how government works.

    “Everybody loves Oprah, I have to say that. She makes everyone cry, they love that,” DeMoro says. “That’s good. But I couldn’t tell you anything about her politics, what her economic analysis is, what her policy analysis is.”

    DeMoro also says Winfrey’s speech was largely tailored to Clinton supporters, suggesting her political approach would be in line with the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee.

    “Hillary Clinton would probably be her key adviser. She was a strong Clinton supporter,” DeMoro notes. “Is Oprah going to pull the female base that voted for Donald Trump? That’s the threshold in that calculation. I don’t know. Probably not.”

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  110. Winnie Wong, a co-founder of progressive group The People for Bernie Sanders, fired one of the first shots, describing Winfrey as “a neoliberal. Best in her class.

    “Now lets [sic] elect some motherf—ing democratic socialists,” she said, following up with a tweet linking to a story by The Guardian calling Winfrey “one of the world’s best neoliberal capitalist thinkers.”

    RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of National Nurses United and a prominent Sanders backer, also vented frustrations in an interview with U.S. News.

    [RELATED: Is Mitt the Next McCain?]

    “We don’t have time for personality politics anymore. We’ve got that right now. We’ve got the greatest apprentice on earth,” DeMoro says, referring derisively to Trump. “We’ve substituted personalities for expertise in this country. The election itself has to be an in-depth debate about economic policy. That’s not her skill set. It has to be with people who seriously worked in government and understand how government works.

    “Everybody loves Oprah, I have to say that. She makes everyone cry, they love that,” DeMoro says. “That’s good. But I couldn’t tell you anything about her politics, what her economic analysis is, what her policy analysis is.”

    DeMoro also says Winfrey’s speech was largely tailored to Clinton supporters, suggesting her political approach would be in line with the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee.

    “Hillary Clinton would probably be her key adviser. She was a strong Clinton supporter,” DeMoro notes. “Is Oprah going to pull the female base that voted for Donald Trump? That’s the threshold in that calculation. I don’t know. Probably not.”

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  111. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anon
    I've been aware of Bill Kristol for my entire adult life, so nothing he does really surprises me anymore. But he still finds a way to get on my nerves every time he does what he does.

    I can be having a pretty good day, and then I can read something from Kristol, and he'll still find a way to make me irritable. Is he doing it on purpose, you think?

    Does he want David French to be her VP?

    That’s definitely what the constant smile is about.

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  112. @Anonymous

    In a couple of decades, the Dems will have Florida, Virginia (that’s basically already happened) and maybe even Texas or Arizona and that will be the end of any real competition for the White House. At that point, the Dems can rotate between a black, Hispanic, white women and “other” president.
     
    Virginia's already flipped--felon voting along with a flood of third-world immigrants have sealed that deal--and Florida's not far behind. Trump is the last Republican president.

    Yeah, he may be. If he lasts 8 years, there’s a pretty good chance that he’ll be the last. Regardless, once Florida flips, it’s basically over. Sooner or later, Texas or Arizona will flip as well.

    Of course, with the presidency comes the judges.

    We whites better get used to a lot more overt government policies against us – and in the name of equality, of course.

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    , @Diversity Heretic
    Other states that may flip are North Carolina (maybe already) and Georgia. Once Texas is even "in play," and the Republicans have to devote significant resources to hold it, it's game over for Republican Presidential hopes.

    Like Major Kong, I'd favor partition but allocating the nuclear weapons is going to be tricky.
    , @Wency
    Trump would have won despite the loss of FL. There aren't any other big states that are about to be "flipped" demographically; he won TX by 9 points. The bigger trouble is getting the white working class to actually show up. They might, if the Democrats double down on anti-white ideology.

    But I generally agree that the Republicans have it bad. They're not going to win the popular vote again (they lose 2 points every 4 years due to demographics, and it's tough to gain 3 points among whites to compensate), but I think the electoral college is still in contention for a while. The push to eliminate it will get stronger though if it becomes clear that it strongly favors Republicans.
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  113. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    America can’t wait to look under its seat.

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    , @Reg Cæsar

    America can’t wait to look under its seat.

     

    For chewing gum?

    Hell, it's been decades since anyone was fined for spitting in the street.
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  114. @Anon
    Oprah's TV show got cancelled in 2011. Her audience got tired of her, and the old horse is ready for the glue factory. By 2020, she will have been off the air 9 years. People don't vote for tired has-beens. If she runs, she'll draw only the black female audience. Black men, Hispanics, and whites won't bother with her. Black men don't want to get scolded by her for 4 years exactly the way white men didn't want to be scolded by Hillary.

    Besides, everyone knows in their heart of hearts that black women are dumb and don't know anything about politics. She'll crater in the primary. After a lifetime of making deals, Trump looked like a viable candidate. Oprah made her career by talking about nothing but how she and other women feel, and that's not a governmental skill or anything that prepares you for an executive job. Presidents spend their time solving problem after problem, and that's a man-skill that Oprah never developed.

    If Hillary couldn't get elected against a political novice, Oprah isn't getting elected. There aren't enough blacks in Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania to swing the vote towards a candidate every white knows is horribly unqualified.

    Oprah’s TV show got cancelled in 2011. Her audience got tired of her, and the old horse is ready for the glue factory

    Actually Oprah remained the #1 syndicated talk show all the way to her last season. Her final show got a record 16 million viewers

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  115. @Dave Pinsen
    America can't wait to look under its seat.

    ?

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    I think Oprah used to put gifts under audience seats.
    (Why do I know that? What a waste, my life!)
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  116. Thirdeye says:
    @Coemgen
    https://youtu.be/-1sWsn1Q8lk

    Bingo. DOA with that kind of baggage. Obama’s success in 2008 arose from his “post-racial” presentation. Had he shown the hyper-racialism he embraced in the post-Ferguson era he would have lost. Identitarian appeals backfired on Hillary and they would backfire worse on Oprah.

    I also suspect that Hollywood’s dive in popularity will drag down any politician too closely associated with it. It’s not the same Hollywood that gave rise to Reagan and he became something of a dissident Hollywoodite anyway.

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    Here's something else that will take the wind out of the obese windbag's tent dresses:

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/01/08/hollywood-left-all-atwitter-over-the-oprah/

    Trump pretty much got rid of her. OW is just looking for attention.
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  117. @Anonymous
    Oprah on older whites who grew up in a racist culture:

    "They just have to die."

    https://www.twitter.com/BasedMonitored/status/950456412458639360

    The mere quote “They just have to die” doesn’t do justice to her utterance of it.

    Her affect when she says it is just chilling.

    Worse even than the Qaddafi thing with Hillary, which was merely callous.

    There’s a real vicious satisfaction in Oprah’s voice and face when says her thing about the entire generation of whites.

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  118. Hubbub says:

    Slow day? I find it hilarious that people are seriously speculating on this proposition. LOL. I thought the iSteve crowd are a little more intelligent than the average. But, if this thread is a representative example of iSteve savants, then woe be unto us.

    BTW, what does Taylor Swift think about all this ado about nothing?

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  119. EriK says:

    I can’t think of why she, or Mrs. Obama would want to run, so I’m going to guess neither will do so.

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  120. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    I wonder how will middle class white women vote? (i think) Oprah is popular among that demographic.
     
    Fat bottom women, you make the rockin world go 'round.

    Middle age woman, here.

    Honestly, I’ve never watched the show, though when I lived in Chicago, about twenty years ago, I knew two women who actually went into the city to see the taping live.

    What is her appeal and to whom is she appealing? I don’t think the middle-age demographic is hers anymore. Her fans are now social-security age women, some bitter cat-women, but most dull and married.

    Oprah has long-passed her peak days. Her too-popular tv show ended around 2010. Since then, she’s had a magazine that sells, well, like most magazines today — not well. I looked for it in Safeway today — I live in Colorado, now — and couldn’t find it near the check-out stand.

    To sum:

    1) She’s a Hollywoodish figure whose popularity has been declining for many years, and mostly unknown to the younger (20-60), female demographic.
    2) Older fans who are single will vote for her, as will all single women — single women are a strong demographic for her. Older fans who are married will probably vote similarly to their spouses and families. My hunch is that her fan base is older, mostly umarried women.
    3) She has some appeal to liberal whites, mainly because she’s a well-spoken black woman who gives liberals that racial tingle — obama redux.
    4) She’s got the black vote locked up.
    5) She’ll lose the white male vote by 70/30 or so.
    6) She’ll probably lose the white female vote by 60/40 or so (even Trump got most of the white female vote).

    My prediction is that Trump will do something to combat vote fraud before the next general election. Voter ID? Whatever he does will severely limit the fraudulant, mostly minority, voting. If this happens, then suddenly, white Republicans will do much, much better in all elections. If he limits voting to actual citizens in their own states, he’ll ensure Republican majorities in the near-term.

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    (even Trump got most of the white female vote).
     
    Most of the total white female vote or just the married subset thereof? My impression was the latter.
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  121. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dissident

    Lesbian rumors about her and Gayle King etc.
     
    Could such rumors harm a Democrat running in Current Year? If anything, wouldn't homosexual experience be considered a pro?

    Yea, but her old-woman fan base of 60+, mostly single voters, still get squeaming when faced with carpet munching, etc. With them, traditional morality runs deep.

    For most people, lesbianism is innately repulsive, but such feelings are hidden. Will they stay hidden in a ballot-box? I don’t think so. If Republicans create a drip-drip-drip of revelations about her sexual proclivities, fence-sitters will go against her.

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    I'm not American. Is she really gay would be the question. Why hasn't she come out? It would have meant acclaim, ratings.
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  122. She is unable to win the nomination of course; even Tim Kaine (who has proven enough of a power-hungry weasel that he might try anyway) has a higher chance.

    Ironically, Oprah running (I don’t think she’d choose to in the first place) could work out well for the Dems by sabotaging Booker/Harris and guaranteeing they won’t be nominated. Would be a hilarious joke for an Oprah candidacy to sabotage Booker’s with the result of, say, Warren winning the nomination, but that’s not outside the realm of plausibility for what would happen if she ran.

    Naturally Bernie remains the most likely person to win the 2020 election, because if he runs, he’ll win, both the nomination and in November, so that’s the only question, and then Trump has some chance of reelection in some other matchups (I’d say the odds for Trump reelection since he would lose against many, many possible Dem candidates are about 1/6). After that Biden, Booker, etc have a chance where it depends most on the nomination process, and maybe a slim chance for Pence as the only other R if he takes over as POTUS before 2020 for some reason. It’s actually an interesting question whether a lower tier option like Warren or Pence is really more likely to win in 2020 because so much depends on who would get to run, not the actual general election, but ultimately not worth worrying about.

    Ignoring the MSM trial balloons and hysterical right-wing conspiracies, the Dems actually have an extensive slate of other governors/senators in the background who could end up being President, if they ran and on the right platform. Hard to tell this far out what any one person would do; moreover, if Bernie or even Biden is running again there obviously won’t be randoms announcing months later that they are running since they would only lose.

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    (I’d say the odds for Trump reelection since he would lose against many, many possible Dem candidates are about 1/6).

    What is your reasoning for those odds?

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  123. BenKenobi says:
    @eah
    In what sense? How much of the, err, product that she produces (directly or indirectly) have or do you personally consume?

    'Oprah's a liar': Sales assistant in Swiss racist handbag row denies telling TV host that she could not view item because she couldn't afford

    You should start working on the book now.

    The shopgirl could easily play an Alicia Machado-type role in the 2020 debates.

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    The shopgirl could easily play an Alicia Machado-type role in the 2020 debates.

     

    A Swiss shopgirl ? Who likes the Swiss ?

    Michael Moore wrote that Oprah should be president. She would mobilize the Democratic base. I don't think that she would be a good president by any standards, but she would be a good candidate.
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  124. nebulafox says:

    Oprah vs. Trump, 2020: not what this nation needs, but exactly what it deserves.

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  125. @Krastos the Gluemaker
    She is unable to win the nomination of course; even Tim Kaine (who has proven enough of a power-hungry weasel that he might try anyway) has a higher chance.

    Ironically, Oprah running (I don't think she'd choose to in the first place) could work out well for the Dems by sabotaging Booker/Harris and guaranteeing they won't be nominated. Would be a hilarious joke for an Oprah candidacy to sabotage Booker's with the result of, say, Warren winning the nomination, but that's not outside the realm of plausibility for what would happen if she ran.

    Naturally Bernie remains the most likely person to win the 2020 election, because if he runs, he'll win, both the nomination and in November, so that's the only question, and then Trump has some chance of reelection in some other matchups (I'd say the odds for Trump reelection since he would lose against many, many possible Dem candidates are about 1/6). After that Biden, Booker, etc have a chance where it depends most on the nomination process, and maybe a slim chance for Pence as the only other R if he takes over as POTUS before 2020 for some reason. It's actually an interesting question whether a lower tier option like Warren or Pence is really more likely to win in 2020 because so much depends on who would get to run, not the actual general election, but ultimately not worth worrying about.

    Ignoring the MSM trial balloons and hysterical right-wing conspiracies, the Dems actually have an extensive slate of other governors/senators in the background who could end up being President, if they ran and on the right platform. Hard to tell this far out what any one person would do; moreover, if Bernie or even Biden is running again there obviously won't be randoms announcing months later that they are running since they would only lose.

    (I’d say the odds for Trump reelection since he would lose against many, many possible Dem candidates are about 1/6).

    What is your reasoning for those odds?

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    People who didn't predict Bernie, not Hillary, would win the Michigan 2016 primary shouldn't even be counted as human for these purposes, since they obviously don't understand anything about elections :p

    More seriously, do you understand anything about US demographic trends? Beyond alt-right conspiracies about millions of illegal immigrants secretly voting? Huge proportions of commenters who come out of the woodwork are always Europeans or Russians who don't seem to know anything.

    The Republicans are disadvantaged by default and will be more disadvantaged over time, and the Dems won't have a candidate as bad as Hillary, who was the worst campaigner in history.

    Trump didn't win because of 15D chess or being good at anything; he's a narcissistic moron. Yet he won because Hillary was a worse candidate pushed through by collusion at least if not fraud by the establishment. Even so she still (surprisingly in the way it happened) won the popular vote, and clearly could have won the EC if her entire organization weren't equally stupid paint-huffers who thought they should go after Texas and Arizona and not Wisconsin and Michigan in the EC. So the next D candidate winning the popular vote plus a little more is probable. If it was possible a golden retriever or maybe even a pitbull could beat Trump in the next election, so all the Dems need to do is not self-destruct and not have a terrible candidate.

    The question of who actually runs and who wins the Dem primary (not Oprah) is of course relevant.

    For instance, if the only D candidates running are Booker, Warren, some other less "big-name" D Senators and Governors, it will be hard to predict what happens. Trump does retain a possible chance of winning reelection against a wishy-washy Dem candidate, or some scandal occuring or something.
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  126. Drumph will lose for sure. He’s finished this time.

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  127. Drumph is surely finished this time.

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  128. @Thirdeye
    Bingo. DOA with that kind of baggage. Obama's success in 2008 arose from his "post-racial" presentation. Had he shown the hyper-racialism he embraced in the post-Ferguson era he would have lost. Identitarian appeals backfired on Hillary and they would backfire worse on Oprah.

    I also suspect that Hollywood's dive in popularity will drag down any politician too closely associated with it. It's not the same Hollywood that gave rise to Reagan and he became something of a dissident Hollywoodite anyway.

    Here’s something else that will take the wind out of the obese windbag’s tent dresses:

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/01/08/hollywood-left-all-atwitter-over-the-oprah/

    Trump pretty much got rid of her. OW is just looking for attention.

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  129. Redman says:
    @Dr. X
    I'd like to say "Not a chance in hell..." but then again, that's exactly what I said in 2008.

    There might be some support for her among blacks and lower class white women who live vicariously through cable TV, but even so I think it's still a near-impossibility.

    The Left might argue that she's a female Trump -- a celebrity with no political experience -- but I think Trump is sui generis. Plus, Trump has an actual political agenda... it's not clear to me that Winfrey does, and whatever agenda she comes up with ain't gonna sell to a lot of voters.

    I say "Meh..." not worth thinking about this far out from 2020. The Drudge headline is just clickbait...of course, it would have helped if Trump hadn't opened his piehole and mentioned her for vice president...

    This is absurd to think about. It’s mainly a misdirection from how otherwise worthless Hollywood become.

    They make good children’s films but nothing more.

    Oprah has no chance. Full stop.

    Obama was a Harvard Law grad and was a US Senator for at least a cup of coffee. Trump broke out with his position on immigration and his aggressive takedown of the Uniparty. Something long overdue.

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  130. @Opinionator
    (I’d say the odds for Trump reelection since he would lose against many, many possible Dem candidates are about 1/6).

    What is your reasoning for those odds?

    People who didn’t predict Bernie, not Hillary, would win the Michigan 2016 primary shouldn’t even be counted as human for these purposes, since they obviously don’t understand anything about elections :p

    More seriously, do you understand anything about US demographic trends? Beyond alt-right conspiracies about millions of illegal immigrants secretly voting? Huge proportions of commenters who come out of the woodwork are always Europeans or Russians who don’t seem to know anything.

    The Republicans are disadvantaged by default and will be more disadvantaged over time, and the Dems won’t have a candidate as bad as Hillary, who was the worst campaigner in history.

    Trump didn’t win because of 15D chess or being good at anything; he’s a narcissistic moron. Yet he won because Hillary was a worse candidate pushed through by collusion at least if not fraud by the establishment. Even so she still (surprisingly in the way it happened) won the popular vote, and clearly could have won the EC if her entire organization weren’t equally stupid paint-huffers who thought they should go after Texas and Arizona and not Wisconsin and Michigan in the EC. So the next D candidate winning the popular vote plus a little more is probable. If it was possible a golden retriever or maybe even a pitbull could beat Trump in the next election, so all the Dems need to do is not self-destruct and not have a terrible candidate.

    The question of who actually runs and who wins the Dem primary (not Oprah) is of course relevant.

    For instance, if the only D candidates running are Booker, Warren, some other less “big-name” D Senators and Governors, it will be hard to predict what happens. Trump does retain a possible chance of winning reelection against a wishy-washy Dem candidate, or some scandal occuring or something.

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    If it was possible a golden retriever or maybe even a pitbull could beat Trump in the next election

    I'm still trying to understand why you think Trump has such poor prospects. Demographics, which you mention earlier? Or is there something he can do to improve?
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  131. @Whiskey
    Would any man vote for her?

    If it were clear my vote wouldn’t matter any how (and it won’t if I still haven’t escaped Mexinchifornia by then…), I will write in her enormous breasts (“Oprah’s Tig Ole…”) as a gesture of solidarity with fellow Atlantan Terrance Howard….

    (Nah, I ain’t afraid o’ Stedman.)

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  132. @MEH 0910
    OT: H&M Apologizes for ‘Monkey’ Image Featuring Black Child

    The clothing retailer H&M apologized on Monday for an image appearing in its online store that showed a black child model wearing a hooded sweatshirt that said “coolest monkey in the jungle.” The company removed the image on Monday and said it would also pull the shirt from its stores worldwide.
     
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/01/09/business/09xp-HMSHIRT1/09xp-HMSHIRT1-master768.jpg

    One wonders why the lunatic left associates blacks with monkeys.
    Rasism,, surely?

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  133. Let ‘me have it, boys.

    (Comments open for article.)

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    Erratum: "Let 'em have it" (regarding alleged labor shortage).

    The writers claim concern for farm labor conditions but don't consider that putting a stop to the influx of foreign labor could improve those conditions.

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  134. Lurker says:
    @pumpkinperson
    Would any man vote for her?

    Did you not see the black men at the Golden Globes tearing up during her speech last night?

    She also has a HUGE gay male following

    She also has a HUGE gay male following

    So that’s 2 or 3% of the electorate locked in right there!

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  135. @Isolee
    1. She'd easily win both the Dem nomination and the general (massive female vote combined with 2008 level black turnout, and no Hillary type Dem annointee standing in her way).
    2. Being President means a significant percentage of the country - and the world - will inevitably hate you. Trump can deal with this, I'm not sure Oprah would be so sanguine about it.
    3. Being President also means you are commander in chief. Again, ordering a bombing run on an Afghan terrorist camp which may harbour children is probably something that comes far easier to Trump (or even Hillary) than Oprah.
    4. That this is even in (semi) serious conversation demonstrates how pathetically thin the Dem bench is. If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020. Who presents for the Dems now? Pocahontas? Sanders? (Although a white male probably can't win the Dem nomination for the forseeable future) a mediocrity like Harris?

    I’m guessing that even if the current anti-white male Zeitgeist dissolves, and no matter who presents for them, the Dems will be bound and determined to promote another female candidate.

    Between Oprah and Pocahontas, the brainy and socially adept Oprah might have a chance. With Pocahontas? Hello again, President Trump.

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    Between Oprah and Pocahontas, the brainy and socially adept Oprah might have a chance. With Pocahontas? Hello again, President Trump.
     
    Remember Oprah confidently proclaimed she was a Zulu, even though anyone with a rudimentary grasp of history knew Zulus, with few exceptions, weren’t any part of the Atlantic slave trade, except perhaps occasionally as middl-men, selling off members of tribes they defeated to back and Portuguese slave merchants. She was forced to admit she wasn’t, then had to cop to her DNA results betraying that she was part Chinese.

    And brainy? Oprah's a big fat hot mess. She may be naive, but she’s not stupid. At her age, she knows her limitations, and seems interested in preserving her legacy. She must be aware of what Trump is capable of, and knows she’d fold under hardcore relentless pressure of massive assaults on her current good standing like an angry swarm of locusts.

    Stop Trump? The woman can’t even stop a hot fudge sundae!
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  136. If Oprah does run and get the nomination, watch how fast the MSM, Hollywood, etc. turn off the “Weinstein toxicity” machine during the election year. It will be “old news,” “irrelevant.”

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  137. J.Ross says: • Website

    Russian hackers — responsible for literally everything that upsets liberals!

    James Gunn blames “Russian hackers” for Oprah-Weinstein #she-knew trending hashtag.

    http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/92917178

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  138. jcd1974 says:
    @Jonah
    She is a cipher. A black lady Talented Mr. Ripley. She's a human Rorschach test. Are you rich? Me too! Are you poor? Me too! Are you downtrodden? Girl, I got you. Are you a boss? I have an an empire!

    Such people do not appear on ballots or relent to 18 months of pointed questions. They cannot afford to. You can't run for president on fame alone. Sooner or later you have to fight for something other than your own aggrandizement. A lot of somethings. A whole platform. You have to have an answer to every question. Trump had an agenda. He took a risk to espouse it and it cost him millions of fans and customers. Will Oprah piss off half of the country that has made her a saint? I doubt it.

    What would Oprah's agenda be? Once she is forced to espouse it, the warm feelings for her woud go away. And she would be exposed as a know nothing on so many issues. And she knows that better than anyone. Which is why she won't run.

    Ms. Winfrey, what would have us do about Pakistan. Do you know anything about Pakistan's role in that region?
    Ms. Winfrey, how do you feel about late term abortion?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you support the police?
    Ms. Winfrey, we can't just give everyone a new car. How would you pay for your proposed programs?
    Ms. Winfrey, you used to claim to have kept cockroaches as pets. What the hell was that about?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you believe in the institution of marriage? If so, why haven't you married this Steadman guy yet?
    Ms. Winfrey, you've said old white people "just have to die." Can you elaborate?

    Please.

    Ms. Winfrey, what would have us do about Pakistan. Do you know anything about Pakistan’s role in that region?
    Ms. Winfrey, how do you feel about late term abortion?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you support the police?
    Ms. Winfrey, we can’t just give everyone a new car. How would you pay for your proposed programs?
    Ms. Winfrey, you used to claim to have kept cockroaches as pets. What the hell was that about?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you believe in the institution of marriage? If so, why haven’t you married this Steadman guy yet?
    Ms. Winfrey, you’ve said old white people “just have to die.” Can you elaborate?

    These are questions that a Republican candidate would be asked.

    Oprah would be asked nothing more challenging than “what’s your favorite Beyonce song?”

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  139. anonguy says:
    @Jonah
    She is a cipher. A black lady Talented Mr. Ripley. She's a human Rorschach test. Are you rich? Me too! Are you poor? Me too! Are you downtrodden? Girl, I got you. Are you a boss? I have an an empire!

    Such people do not appear on ballots or relent to 18 months of pointed questions. They cannot afford to. You can't run for president on fame alone. Sooner or later you have to fight for something other than your own aggrandizement. A lot of somethings. A whole platform. You have to have an answer to every question. Trump had an agenda. He took a risk to espouse it and it cost him millions of fans and customers. Will Oprah piss off half of the country that has made her a saint? I doubt it.

    What would Oprah's agenda be? Once she is forced to espouse it, the warm feelings for her woud go away. And she would be exposed as a know nothing on so many issues. And she knows that better than anyone. Which is why she won't run.

    Ms. Winfrey, what would have us do about Pakistan. Do you know anything about Pakistan's role in that region?
    Ms. Winfrey, how do you feel about late term abortion?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you support the police?
    Ms. Winfrey, we can't just give everyone a new car. How would you pay for your proposed programs?
    Ms. Winfrey, you used to claim to have kept cockroaches as pets. What the hell was that about?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you believe in the institution of marriage? If so, why haven't you married this Steadman guy yet?
    Ms. Winfrey, you've said old white people "just have to die." Can you elaborate?

    Please.

    Ms. Winfrey, what would have us do about Pakistan. Do you know anything about Pakistan’s role in that region?
    Ms. Winfrey, how do you feel about late term abortion?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you support the police?
    Ms. Winfrey, we can’t just give everyone a new car. How would you pay for your proposed programs?
    Ms. Winfrey, you used to claim to have kept cockroaches as pets. What the hell was that about?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you believe in the institution of marriage? If so, why haven’t you married this Steadman guy yet?
    Ms. Winfrey, you’ve said old white people “just have to die.” Can you elaborate?

    Please.

    Look, you just aren’t getting it. All of Trump’s opponents also thought that winning an election was entirely a checklist thing with a dash of charisma/wit for close calls.

    Trump didn’t play that game, either immediately deflected in a different direction or provided intelligent counter fire that shuts down the questions. The canonical instance of this was the abortion question, he just cut to the chase, do all you who think it is a crime think the woman should be punished.

    Ended all checklists. It is what some – it is just one item in the toolbox – natural, gifted leaders can do rather than figure out how to be the best mandarin/courtier possible.

    Anyhow, Oprah will have her bag of tricks, she is a formidable individual.

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  140. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Is it too early to pre-declare her the greatest POTUS in our nation's history?

    Is it too early for her to be given a Nobel Peace Prize?

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    She'd have one now if it weren't for all that racism she keeps talking about. And before you mention Obama, remember he's a man and that proves sexism so shut up wypipo.
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  141. Dissident says:
    @Anonymous
    Middle age woman, here.

    Honestly, I've never watched the show, though when I lived in Chicago, about twenty years ago, I knew two women who actually went into the city to see the taping live.

    What is her appeal and to whom is she appealing? I don't think the middle-age demographic is hers anymore. Her fans are now social-security age women, some bitter cat-women, but most dull and married.

    Oprah has long-passed her peak days. Her too-popular tv show ended around 2010. Since then, she's had a magazine that sells, well, like most magazines today -- not well. I looked for it in Safeway today -- I live in Colorado, now -- and couldn't find it near the check-out stand.

    To sum:

    1) She's a Hollywoodish figure whose popularity has been declining for many years, and mostly unknown to the younger (20-60), female demographic.
    2) Older fans who are single will vote for her, as will all single women -- single women are a strong demographic for her. Older fans who are married will probably vote similarly to their spouses and families. My hunch is that her fan base is older, mostly umarried women.
    3) She has some appeal to liberal whites, mainly because she's a well-spoken black woman who gives liberals that racial tingle -- obama redux.
    4) She's got the black vote locked up.
    5) She'll lose the white male vote by 70/30 or so.
    6) She'll probably lose the white female vote by 60/40 or so (even Trump got most of the white female vote).

    My prediction is that Trump will do something to combat vote fraud before the next general election. Voter ID? Whatever he does will severely limit the fraudulant, mostly minority, voting. If this happens, then suddenly, white Republicans will do much, much better in all elections. If he limits voting to actual citizens in their own states, he'll ensure Republican majorities in the near-term.

    (even Trump got most of the white female vote).

    Most of the total white female vote or just the married subset thereof? My impression was the latter.

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    Trump got >50% of all white female voters in 2016. Not all white female adults, since voter turnout is not that high.

    The reason you might not remember correctly is the MSM got this wrong and kind of memory-holed it. Before the election, there were thousands of journalists saying Hillary would win white women and most of them just sort of never admitted they were wrong and never mentioned it again.

    And the polls themseleves, not just opinion writers, also were massively wrong, which they were about many, many other things too. For instance Johnson did not get close to as much as the polls often showed.

    There will never be very accurate, valid data sources on everything like the actual third party vote because the polls (incl exit polls) were so screwed up. Still, more males voted third party than females, and actually it's almost certain that >10% of white male voters voted third party.
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  142. EdwardM says:

    I could see Oprah winning in 2020. She might do so by running the most opaque campaign in history. She could make no policy pronouncements, no stump speeches, no debates (assuming she doesn’t take federal funding), no interviews other than puff pieces in which she says how above politics she is, we need to heel as a nation, she won’t engage in personal attacks, you go grrrl, etc.

    And it could work. Of course all media mentions would be puff pieces, far more than with Clinton or even Obama, and it would basically be a referendum on Trump with all of the culture stacked against him and Oprah presented as a heroine for our times (i.e., a magic negro).

    It’s tempting to think of Trump’s voter base in 2016 as his ceiling. Assuming that some downscale white women (Oprah’s core audience) shift to her, and blacks come out at a higher rate, then which voters would move from Clinton 2016 to Trump 2020 to counteract Oprah? Best bet is probably a few middle- and upper-middle-class whites who are seeing higher paychecks and 401(k)’s. A few blacks who got jobs in the Trump economy? Some Millennials who are now working and paying taxes?

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    we need to heel as a nation

    Was that misspelling deliberate?

    After all, few are the iSteve commenters who do not know that when the usual suspects talk about "healing" in the context-in-question, what they really mean is for hetero-normative whites to heel before persons-of-color, sexual deviants and degenerates, Muslims, and other Others.

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  143. Patty O says:

    Even Obama had to pretend to be a married moderate Christian to lock in the black Christian vote. Can Oprah even fake that we’ll enough?

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    You seem to forget that it's now the Current Year.

    And yes, as mentioned above--Magic Negress.

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  144. AKAHorace says:
    @BenKenobi
    The shopgirl could easily play an Alicia Machado-type role in the 2020 debates.

    The shopgirl could easily play an Alicia Machado-type role in the 2020 debates.

    A Swiss shopgirl ? Who likes the Swiss ?

    Michael Moore wrote that Oprah should be president. She would mobilize the Democratic base. I don’t think that she would be a good president by any standards, but she would be a good candidate.

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  145. sb says:

    As a non American I wonder if the Founders thought that the Presidency would be a position where the incumbent would be doing
    (party ) politics all day everyday.

    There is a lot to be said for seperating the positions of head of state and head of government although I do realise most Americans disagree

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    There was some pretty intensive and consuming politics (remember, the founders went straight into being the first leaders), but a lot of what we complain about is a result of over-extending the vote, popular appeal mass democracy, lobbying, and dealing with mass media, all of which they hated and wrote out of the original system. Elections were ugly but they were also contained. Pretty sure they hated the idea of a perpetual campaigner.
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  146. @Opinionator
    Let 'me have it, boys.

    https://www.twitter.com/americamag/status/950427650316742657

    (Comments open for article.)

    Erratum: “Let ‘em have it” (regarding alleged labor shortage).

    The writers claim concern for farm labor conditions but don’t consider that putting a stop to the influx of foreign labor could improve those conditions.

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  147. @Krastos the Gluemaker
    People who didn't predict Bernie, not Hillary, would win the Michigan 2016 primary shouldn't even be counted as human for these purposes, since they obviously don't understand anything about elections :p

    More seriously, do you understand anything about US demographic trends? Beyond alt-right conspiracies about millions of illegal immigrants secretly voting? Huge proportions of commenters who come out of the woodwork are always Europeans or Russians who don't seem to know anything.

    The Republicans are disadvantaged by default and will be more disadvantaged over time, and the Dems won't have a candidate as bad as Hillary, who was the worst campaigner in history.

    Trump didn't win because of 15D chess or being good at anything; he's a narcissistic moron. Yet he won because Hillary was a worse candidate pushed through by collusion at least if not fraud by the establishment. Even so she still (surprisingly in the way it happened) won the popular vote, and clearly could have won the EC if her entire organization weren't equally stupid paint-huffers who thought they should go after Texas and Arizona and not Wisconsin and Michigan in the EC. So the next D candidate winning the popular vote plus a little more is probable. If it was possible a golden retriever or maybe even a pitbull could beat Trump in the next election, so all the Dems need to do is not self-destruct and not have a terrible candidate.

    The question of who actually runs and who wins the Dem primary (not Oprah) is of course relevant.

    For instance, if the only D candidates running are Booker, Warren, some other less "big-name" D Senators and Governors, it will be hard to predict what happens. Trump does retain a possible chance of winning reelection against a wishy-washy Dem candidate, or some scandal occuring or something.

    If it was possible a golden retriever or maybe even a pitbull could beat Trump in the next election

    I’m still trying to understand why you think Trump has such poor prospects. Demographics, which you mention earlier? Or is there something he can do to improve?

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    The Republicans are losing 0.5-1 million votes a year from white population decline and nonwhite population growth. That's not everything but it's a reality to be recognized. The Republicans are never going to randomly surge back and win many more black voters or some fantasy like that.

    At an individual level Trump will probably be less popular and voters will be more disappointed with him, true, but that's also not the most salient compared to the rest of the cold numbers of party politics and how some number of voters respond to incumbents. (All the present polling is distorted by usual tricks of abandoning citizen/registerd voter etc criteria, you have to wait till nearer to elections to get polls consistent with other election cycles, but that's a digression). Regardless Trump as a lame duck will be less popular since he won't have built a wall/proved evolution wrong/colonized Mars/whatever moron thing diehard Trump supporters thought would happen. Before 2016, Trump was an unknown wild card that some voters projected their hopes onto too; in general that just doesn't happen with any POTUS after being in office.

    People might say a war could bolster Trump's support, or of course typical stuff like a recession hurts the incumbent president, but he really just will be a lame duck who can't compete against any remotely good candidate the next time around. (I don't think Trump will be impeached etc with any likelihood either, just for the record. Though once again that is actually good for large groups of Dems/Berniecrats etc)

    As I might point out elsewhere, the Republicans hold the Senate because of luck in prior election cycles and the House because of a mix of that and gerrymandering, and could through next fall. That won't change 2020.

    Trump didn't actually have great success in 2016 in election terms; he didn't meaningfully do better than Romney but won by a fluke (Hillary despised the American people and lost millions of votes that Obama had to third parties, for starters)

    It's impossible to understate in mere words how much better the Dems can do with anyone but Hillary next time around. At worst the Dems will have someone like Booker. (I know people around here would dislike him, I too think he is an empty shell, that doesn't mean he couldn't win the nomination process and be competitive in the general)

    Finally it's unclear what baseline assumptions everyone makes and of course there is the deeply ironic fundamental disconnect between koolaid drinkers and everyone else, where the alt-right all share one moronic belief with their mirror images. It's more sad than funny that the alt-right takes seriously the idea that Oprah or Zuckerberg or someone like that will be chosen by the Democrats; for those who think so it shows they have no understanding of other groups of people whatsoever. The most deranged SJW shills believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who only lost through Russian hacking, and the most hardcore far rightists believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who was only beaten by Trump's 24.5D chess. In reality everyone else reasonable knows that 2016 was flukey and nothing like Hillary's terrible campaign will happen the same way again.
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  148. J.Ross says: • Website
    @sb
    As a non American I wonder if the Founders thought that the Presidency would be a position where the incumbent would be doing
    (party ) politics all day everyday.

    There is a lot to be said for seperating the positions of head of state and head of government although I do realise most Americans disagree

    There was some pretty intensive and consuming politics (remember, the founders went straight into being the first leaders), but a lot of what we complain about is a result of over-extending the vote, popular appeal mass democracy, lobbying, and dealing with mass media, all of which they hated and wrote out of the original system. Elections were ugly but they were also contained. Pretty sure they hated the idea of a perpetual campaigner.

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    The sheer length, cost and intensity of the campaign eliminates virtually all normal people.

    You'd need to have some sort of personality disorder to enter this arena today. You'd also have so many favours to repay, you'll be pretty much owned anyway.

    The whole thing is pretty grotesque. Certainly not what was envisioned when the system was set up.
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  149. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Bring it. Prop her up on a big rose pedal covered float. Have Beyonce flash her vagina in support at every awards show from now until election night. Have the NBPP provide security for every townhall.

    Her embarrassing defeat would be a fitting end to an overblown, overrated, vacuum-sealed career of air-head daytime "journalism".

    Blue Ribbon comment.

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  150. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTCL-pmVAAAAixr.jpg

    Well, in case there was any ambiguity about where Oprah stood on the JQ,
    I think it may now be laid to rest..

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  151. AKAHorace says:

    OK, Guys, I have done a good 15 minutes of research on Oprahs prospects as president of the United States of America and a few salient issues have emerged.

    -apparently because you have elected Trump, there is a danger that you could racialise the North Korean head of state during you nuclear war with them. There it is also possible that some of your presidents remarks about him are also sexist. For a brief head up on the situation see:

    http://reappropriate.co/2018/01/reconstructing-asian-masculinity-trump-and-the-racial-castration-of-kim-jong-un/

    -it is really good that you are considering electing a person of colour as your next prospective President, but you should not limit yourselves to Oprah. Take it away Osita Nwanevu,

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2018/01/the_case_against_oprah.html”

    I think that after Obama it is time for a non-Luo sub-saharan African to run the United States.

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  152. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB
    Watch all the hilarious Debra Wilson MadTV parodies of Oprah while you still can. They are about to disappear down the YouTube censorship hole.

    https://youtu.be/3aYjAOQwlH8

    Thanks for sharing :)

    It had me in tears, even if they did steal the end directly from Terry Jones’s Mr Creosote.

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  153. Alden says:
    @Dissident
    Tangentially related, I wonder how many of the "Me Too" crowd now invoking righteous indignation over alleged sexual offenses against women are the same people who gave Roman Polanski a pass. (We certainly know that more than a few of the aforementioned morally outraged gave Bill Clinton a pass.) Also, when it came to Polanski (and any number of others), weren't we told that personal moral failings are no reason not to recognize and celebrate the accomplishments of one who is a talented artist? That we must separate the flawed man from the brilliant artist? (Certainly, when it comes to Martin Luther King, Jr., we are told that his serial womanizing does not negate his holy, exalted, status as an icon of social justice.)

    The me too crowd gave convicted pedophilia and rapistvRoman Polanski a standing ovation a few years ago.

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  154. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @mikeja
    She could beat Jeb but I don't see her wanting to get in the pig-pen with Trump.

    She could beat Jeb but I don’t see her wanting to get in the pig-pen with Trump.

    Are you even kidding. The cries of “you go girl” will reverberate from coast to coast..

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  155. jim jones says:

    What struck me about the scandals of the Obama era was that a lot of them involved obese black women

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  156. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/BasedMonitored/status/950456412458639360

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  157. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @27 year old
    1. No matter who the democrats run, 2020 will be tough for Trump.

    2. Oprah with the mainstream media, government/establishment, capital, etc etc, all pushing hard behind her would be a strong candidate. Maybe the strongest the dems could possibly run.

    3. Oprah's platform will be (implied): I'll make the awfulness of Trump go away and you won't have to care about politics anymore and life will be warm and fuzzy just like my TV show.

    4. Oprah might well beat Trump, but if he goes all out to try to win, he will BTFO the magic negro narrative and maybe even go explicit pro-White, which is still good for us

    4. Oprah might well beat Trump, but if he goes all out to try to win, he will BTFO the magic negro narrative and maybe even go explicit pro-White, which is still good for us

    All of what you said is why it his loss will be very bad for us, and to some degree even if he should win. What matters is who owns the MSM, not who’s in the White House.

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  158. Mr. Anon says:
    @Isolee
    1. She'd easily win both the Dem nomination and the general (massive female vote combined with 2008 level black turnout, and no Hillary type Dem annointee standing in her way).
    2. Being President means a significant percentage of the country - and the world - will inevitably hate you. Trump can deal with this, I'm not sure Oprah would be so sanguine about it.
    3. Being President also means you are commander in chief. Again, ordering a bombing run on an Afghan terrorist camp which may harbour children is probably something that comes far easier to Trump (or even Hillary) than Oprah.
    4. That this is even in (semi) serious conversation demonstrates how pathetically thin the Dem bench is. If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020. Who presents for the Dems now? Pocahontas? Sanders? (Although a white male probably can't win the Dem nomination for the forseeable future) a mediocrity like Harris?

    If Hillary had won, the GOP would still have Cruz and Rubio (and probably Kasich or maybe even Romney) in play for 2020.

    And they aren’t “thin”? Romney, I can see. I don’t like him, but clearly he had a shot. Cruz is intelligent, but unlikeable. But Rubio and Kasich? Thin gruel indeed.

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  159. Oprah 2020: Because America never learns from its mistakes.

    Seriously, if we did so well under the first real black President, and we are doing so well under the first billionaire TV-star President, how could we possibly lose with America’s first real black, woman, billionaire, TV-star President. Bring her on!

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  160. Mr. Anon says:

    She could have Ellen DeGeneres as her running mate. The entire cabinet could be talk-show hosts: Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Conan O’Brien, etc.

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    You laugh (or maybe not) but that's where we may be headed..
    , @BB753
    The winning ticket would be Oprah and Michelle Obama as VP ! Two sassy black ladies to guide the country to greater heights with their infinite wisdom! They can rally a divided nation behind their large behinds. "We need our weaves!"
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  161. Beardman says:
    @Bernardista
    I'm guessing that even if the current anti-white male Zeitgeist dissolves, and no matter who presents for them, the Dems will be bound and determined to promote another female candidate.

    Between Oprah and Pocahontas, the brainy and socially adept Oprah might have a chance. With Pocahontas? Hello again, President Trump.

    Between Oprah and Pocahontas, the brainy and socially adept Oprah might have a chance. With Pocahontas? Hello again, President Trump.

    Remember Oprah confidently proclaimed she was a Zulu, even though anyone with a rudimentary grasp of history knew Zulus, with few exceptions, weren’t any part of the Atlantic slave trade, except perhaps occasionally as middl-men, selling off members of tribes they defeated to back and Portuguese slave merchants. She was forced to admit she wasn’t, then had to cop to her DNA results betraying that she was part Chinese.

    And brainy? Oprah’s a big fat hot mess. She may be naive, but she’s not stupid. At her age, she knows her limitations, and seems interested in preserving her legacy. She must be aware of what Trump is capable of, and knows she’d fold under hardcore relentless pressure of massive assaults on her current good standing like an angry swarm of locusts.

    Stop Trump? The woman can’t even stop a hot fudge sundae!

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    I confess I didn't know of her Zulu proclamation. I also must confess that I've claimed to be a Samnite. (We wuz gladiators!)

    All that aside, our discussion was centered around whom the Dems would want in their next primary. If you will recall, last time around they chose a woman whose only platform was 'it's my turn.'


    She may be naive, but she’s not stupid. At her age, she knows her limitations, and seems interested in preserving her legacy.
     
    I don't think she will run.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/01/09/gayle-king-oprah-winfrey-not-actively-considering-running-president-but-intrigued/1016513001/

    Oprah’s a big fat hot mess
     
    Well her weight does fluctuate certainly. Of course, during the presidential campaign both contenders morphed into blowfish. It's hard to stay trim on the campaign trail.

    On the other hand, Bernie, with his ecto/mesomorph advantage and paleo-ish diet maintained a healthy weight.

    But it doesn't matter, because:


    Stop Trump? The woman can’t even stop a hot fudge sundae!
     
    You win the internet with that one.
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  162. Trump would mop the floor with Oprah. He would thrash her so badly that most people would find it too painful to watch. I don’t think Oprah wants to go out on that kind of note. She’s much more valuable to the Democrats as a kingmaker, as the one to give her shamonic approval to the one who eventually runs. She’s being groomed not to be the candidate, but to bless the candidate.

    People are forgetting that Oprah is a Baby Boomer, and there will be no further Boomer presidents after Trump. She represents the identity politics of a bygone era. Everything associated with the name Oprah has grown tired and old, and will especially be so by 2020. Over the course of the next generation, the electorate will come to expect and demand a sort of callous ruthlessness in their leaders. That’s why Trump will win again. He is something of a man out of time, the only one of his generation able to play the required role. His luck will hold out for one more round and he will become the Grey Champion, the last of the Boomers.

    If the Democrats has any brains they would run Tulsi Gabbard. She’s beautiful, smart, tough, youthful, and she has a habit of being on the right side of many important issues. But they cannot nominate her because she is anti-Deep-State, and the current Democrat party machinery is pretty much hardwired to the Deep State like a thermostat into a wall. Perhaps Tulsi will have a chance in 2024, but not before and probably not until after.

    I think the Democrats may very well nominate Rahm Emanuel. He’s already from Oprah’s Chicago and is a fit subject to receive “the blessing.” It can only be him or Biden, but Biden seems a bit too old and too White for the Current Year. The Dems will lose to to Trump and in so doing will have exhausted the last strength of their coalition. After that, it’s a brave new world.

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    Gabbard's positions would attract some nasty Deplorables, so she's definitely out for the Democratic Party as it currently exists.
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  163. Lagertha says:

    Oprah…I adored her in the 80′s, has no shot. Never gonna happen. She is a lovely person, but the world is cruel, vindictive, murderous, duplicitous, craven, secretive and volatile. She is not a Shield Maiden, and, can’t endure to be one. One does not negotiate with “true believers of their mission,’ – and, this point is not made about followers of Mohammed. People all want harmony; and to improve the prospects of their children …like most mammals.

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  164. Maj. Kong says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, he may be. If he lasts 8 years, there's a pretty good chance that he'll be the last. Regardless, once Florida flips, it's basically over. Sooner or later, Texas or Arizona will flip as well.

    Of course, with the presidency comes the judges.

    We whites better get used to a lot more overt government policies against us - and in the name of equality, of course.

    Partition

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  165. @Dissident

    (even Trump got most of the white female vote).
     
    Most of the total white female vote or just the married subset thereof? My impression was the latter.

    Trump got >50% of all white female voters in 2016. Not all white female adults, since voter turnout is not that high.

    The reason you might not remember correctly is the MSM got this wrong and kind of memory-holed it. Before the election, there were thousands of journalists saying Hillary would win white women and most of them just sort of never admitted they were wrong and never mentioned it again.

    And the polls themseleves, not just opinion writers, also were massively wrong, which they were about many, many other things too. For instance Johnson did not get close to as much as the polls often showed.

    There will never be very accurate, valid data sources on everything like the actual third party vote because the polls (incl exit polls) were so screwed up. Still, more males voted third party than females, and actually it’s almost certain that >10% of white male voters voted third party.

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    The reason you might not remember correctly is the MSM got this wrong and kind of memory-holed it. Before the election, there were thousands of journalists saying Hillary would win white women and most of them just sort of never admitted they were wrong and never mentioned it again.

    Memory-holed it? That is the complete opposite of reality. The fact that >50% white women voted for Trump was the subject of endless shrieking after the election, and you can bet you'll hear a lot more about it in the run-up to 2020.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/hillary-clinton-white-women-vote/507422/

    Trump was probably the first Republican to lose college-educated women since they became a significant part of the elecorate, but a lot of journalists are ignorant of the relative stability of racial patterns in voting over time, so they don't understand that Trump only getting 53% of white women is actually not that good.
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  166. Realist says:
    @the raven
    The rage-addled left just can’t bring itself to see what happened in the election. If Trump had run Jeb Bush’s campaign, would he have won? No, of course not. He ran as a populist, emphasizing issues that people care deeply about, but that no candidate of either party would touch — especially immigration, but also offshoring.

    So, can Oprah do something similar? Somehow I doubt that the host of a daytime talk show for women has much to say to the country at large.

    “So, can Oprah do something similar? Somehow I doubt that the host of a daytime talk show for women has much to say to the country at large.”

    You are vastly underrating the stupidity of most American voters.

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  167. Realist says:
    @Opinionator
    The core elements of Trump's appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance, tax cuts, deregulation, withdrawal from Paris Accord, possible withdrawal from the Iran Deal. Even "infrastructure" is outside the scope of his core appeal.

    WTF??

    Yes, us Trump supports have been had.

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  168. @Opinionator
    If it was possible a golden retriever or maybe even a pitbull could beat Trump in the next election

    I'm still trying to understand why you think Trump has such poor prospects. Demographics, which you mention earlier? Or is there something he can do to improve?

    The Republicans are losing 0.5-1 million votes a year from white population decline and nonwhite population growth. That’s not everything but it’s a reality to be recognized. The Republicans are never going to randomly surge back and win many more black voters or some fantasy like that.

    At an individual level Trump will probably be less popular and voters will be more disappointed with him, true, but that’s also not the most salient compared to the rest of the cold numbers of party politics and how some number of voters respond to incumbents. (All the present polling is distorted by usual tricks of abandoning citizen/registerd voter etc criteria, you have to wait till nearer to elections to get polls consistent with other election cycles, but that’s a digression). Regardless Trump as a lame duck will be less popular since he won’t have built a wall/proved evolution wrong/colonized Mars/whatever moron thing diehard Trump supporters thought would happen. Before 2016, Trump was an unknown wild card that some voters projected their hopes onto too; in general that just doesn’t happen with any POTUS after being in office.

    People might say a war could bolster Trump’s support, or of course typical stuff like a recession hurts the incumbent president, but he really just will be a lame duck who can’t compete against any remotely good candidate the next time around. (I don’t think Trump will be impeached etc with any likelihood either, just for the record. Though once again that is actually good for large groups of Dems/Berniecrats etc)

    As I might point out elsewhere, the Republicans hold the Senate because of luck in prior election cycles and the House because of a mix of that and gerrymandering, and could through next fall. That won’t change 2020.

    Trump didn’t actually have great success in 2016 in election terms; he didn’t meaningfully do better than Romney but won by a fluke (Hillary despised the American people and lost millions of votes that Obama had to third parties, for starters)

    It’s impossible to understate in mere words how much better the Dems can do with anyone but Hillary next time around. At worst the Dems will have someone like Booker. (I know people around here would dislike him, I too think he is an empty shell, that doesn’t mean he couldn’t win the nomination process and be competitive in the general)

    Finally it’s unclear what baseline assumptions everyone makes and of course there is the deeply ironic fundamental disconnect between koolaid drinkers and everyone else, where the alt-right all share one moronic belief with their mirror images. It’s more sad than funny that the alt-right takes seriously the idea that Oprah or Zuckerberg or someone like that will be chosen by the Democrats; for those who think so it shows they have no understanding of other groups of people whatsoever. The most deranged SJW shills believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who only lost through Russian hacking, and the most hardcore far rightists believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who was only beaten by Trump’s 24.5D chess. In reality everyone else reasonable knows that 2016 was flukey and nothing like Hillary’s terrible campaign will happen the same way again.

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    Hillary lost because she was the natural expression of the left's hatred for white people, a hatred she expressed through her deplorable comment.

    She was not a terrible candidate. She was the left's Id.

    What candidate is the left going to field who is not a white-hating bigot?
    , @grapesoda
    All speculation at this point. You have identified a lot of factors but neither you nor anyone else knows how they're going to play out in the real world. Your thinking is very unempirical.

    the most hardcore far rightists believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who was only beaten by Trump’s 24.5D chess.
     
    That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    Drumph is surely an idiot. What did he ever accomplish,
     

    Who knows if you are even a conservative at all, and not just a deluded troll here in a pathetic attempt to demoralize us. One thing I note about doom trolls like you is that you never stand up in favor of pro-civilization principles or oppose anti-civilization principles, but yet we're supposed to accept that you are implicitly a conservative for some reason. If you really are a pro-civilization conservative, then you need to get your head examined because your defeatist attitude will do you no favors when navigating the choppy waters of life.
    , @Thirdeye
    The problem with prognosticating an emerging Democratic lock because of demographics is that it assumes that the nonwhite vote will be monolithic. The 2008 and 2012 elections gave that impression, 2008 when Republicans were at their nadir over war and the economy, and 2012 when their candidate was a blatant elitist who made money off of destroying American jobs. 2016 actually showed cracks in that supposed electoral monolith that the Democrats have come to rely upon. Black males showed a move towards Trump and if Democrats continue to embrace misandry the trend is likely to continue. The Hispanic monolith is even weaker than the black monolith. Their values tend to be rooted in Catholicism and socially conservative (Hispanics voted with a significant margin against gay marriage in 2008). Championing misandry and the effeminizing of men is not going to sit well with Hispanic men or women who adhere to the traditions of La Familia with male protectors. Also, Hispanic identification tends to weaken significantly a couple of generations away from immigration, i.e. they start to identify as caucasian. There will be very real competition for the votes of nonwhites, and a more conservative program is likely to win a lot of them who are not indoctrinated with identity politics. East and South Asian immigrants also have streaks of cultural conservatism that will make the Democrats' embrace of postmodernist identity politics unappealing.
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  169. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Richard of Melbourne
    Is it too early for her to be given a Nobel Peace Prize?

    She’d have one now if it weren’t for all that racism she keeps talking about. And before you mention Obama, remember he’s a man and that proves sexism so shut up wypipo.

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  170. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Patty O
    Even Obama had to pretend to be a married moderate Christian to lock in the black Christian vote. Can Oprah even fake that we’ll enough?

    You seem to forget that it’s now the Current Year.

    And yes, as mentioned above–Magic Negress.

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  171. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    She could have Ellen DeGeneres as her running mate. The entire cabinet could be talk-show hosts: Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Conan O'Brien, etc.

    You laugh (or maybe not) but that’s where we may be headed..

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  172. @Anon
    The American people need to ask themselves, how did it ever get to this? Oprah vs. Trump?

    Universal suffrage, mass participatory democracy will inevitably generate into a popularity contest, especially for high-visibility offices such as the President.

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  173. @Opinionator
    The core elements of Trump's appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance, tax cuts, deregulation, withdrawal from Paris Accord, possible withdrawal from the Iran Deal. Even "infrastructure" is outside the scope of his core appeal.

    WTF??

    I’d take it a step further: not only did DJT immediately ignore his campaign core promises, he reversed them!

    Bombing a Syrian air base? How is that in our interest?

    Ford will soon make nearly all of its cars in China, and then “export” them back to the United States?

    Where is the president on that outrage?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/business/ford-focus-china-production.html

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2017/03/13/lincoln-new-suv-china/99116846/

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  174. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, he may be. If he lasts 8 years, there's a pretty good chance that he'll be the last. Regardless, once Florida flips, it's basically over. Sooner or later, Texas or Arizona will flip as well.

    Of course, with the presidency comes the judges.

    We whites better get used to a lot more overt government policies against us - and in the name of equality, of course.

    Other states that may flip are North Carolina (maybe already) and Georgia. Once Texas is even “in play,” and the Republicans have to devote significant resources to hold it, it’s game over for Republican Presidential hopes.

    Like Major Kong, I’d favor partition but allocating the nuclear weapons is going to be tricky.

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    Strengthening federalism seems much more feasible, and desirable, than outright partition. The federal government needs to devolve 90% of its current power to the states, and states in turn need to devolve most of their power to municipalities. People should live in places that most align with their values. Communities should have very strong control over local norms and laws. If one community wants to throw people in jail for"misgendering" people and force bakers to bake wedding cakes for homosexual
    pseudoweddings, they should be able to. If another community wants to criminalize any homosexual behavior, they should be able to. Enough with having a quasi-omnipotent top-down federal government that everyone fights to control. Neuter centralized government and let people spend their energy living how they want instead of trying to force their beliefs on the entire country.
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  175. Drumph is surely an idiot. What did he ever accomplish,

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  176. AndrewR says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Other states that may flip are North Carolina (maybe already) and Georgia. Once Texas is even "in play," and the Republicans have to devote significant resources to hold it, it's game over for Republican Presidential hopes.

    Like Major Kong, I'd favor partition but allocating the nuclear weapons is going to be tricky.

    Strengthening federalism seems much more feasible, and desirable, than outright partition. The federal government needs to devolve 90% of its current power to the states, and states in turn need to devolve most of their power to municipalities. People should live in places that most align with their values. Communities should have very strong control over local norms and laws. If one community wants to throw people in jail for”misgendering” people and force bakers to bake wedding cakes for homosexual
    pseudoweddings, they should be able to. If another community wants to criminalize any homosexual behavior, they should be able to. Enough with having a quasi-omnipotent top-down federal government that everyone fights to control. Neuter centralized government and let people spend their energy living how they want instead of trying to force their beliefs on the entire country.

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    Yours is the best solution but it would require federal lawmakers and federal employees to devolve their power back to the states, counties and cities. A non-starter, unfortunately.

    People don't usually give up wealth or power without a fight, and that goes triple for those who wield the "monopoly on the legitimate use of force." The Smaller the Political Unit, the Greater the Freedom isn't the sort of bromide they're going to swallow, or even let us fairly consider.
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  177. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Yea, but her old-woman fan base of 60+, mostly single voters, still get squeaming when faced with carpet munching, etc. With them, traditional morality runs deep.

    For most people, lesbianism is innately repulsive, but such feelings are hidden. Will they stay hidden in a ballot-box? I don't think so. If Republicans create a drip-drip-drip of revelations about her sexual proclivities, fence-sitters will go against her.

    I’m not American. Is she really gay would be the question. Why hasn’t she come out? It would have meant acclaim, ratings.

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  178. map says:
    @Krastos the Gluemaker
    The Republicans are losing 0.5-1 million votes a year from white population decline and nonwhite population growth. That's not everything but it's a reality to be recognized. The Republicans are never going to randomly surge back and win many more black voters or some fantasy like that.

    At an individual level Trump will probably be less popular and voters will be more disappointed with him, true, but that's also not the most salient compared to the rest of the cold numbers of party politics and how some number of voters respond to incumbents. (All the present polling is distorted by usual tricks of abandoning citizen/registerd voter etc criteria, you have to wait till nearer to elections to get polls consistent with other election cycles, but that's a digression). Regardless Trump as a lame duck will be less popular since he won't have built a wall/proved evolution wrong/colonized Mars/whatever moron thing diehard Trump supporters thought would happen. Before 2016, Trump was an unknown wild card that some voters projected their hopes onto too; in general that just doesn't happen with any POTUS after being in office.

    People might say a war could bolster Trump's support, or of course typical stuff like a recession hurts the incumbent president, but he really just will be a lame duck who can't compete against any remotely good candidate the next time around. (I don't think Trump will be impeached etc with any likelihood either, just for the record. Though once again that is actually good for large groups of Dems/Berniecrats etc)

    As I might point out elsewhere, the Republicans hold the Senate because of luck in prior election cycles and the House because of a mix of that and gerrymandering, and could through next fall. That won't change 2020.

    Trump didn't actually have great success in 2016 in election terms; he didn't meaningfully do better than Romney but won by a fluke (Hillary despised the American people and lost millions of votes that Obama had to third parties, for starters)

    It's impossible to understate in mere words how much better the Dems can do with anyone but Hillary next time around. At worst the Dems will have someone like Booker. (I know people around here would dislike him, I too think he is an empty shell, that doesn't mean he couldn't win the nomination process and be competitive in the general)

    Finally it's unclear what baseline assumptions everyone makes and of course there is the deeply ironic fundamental disconnect between koolaid drinkers and everyone else, where the alt-right all share one moronic belief with their mirror images. It's more sad than funny that the alt-right takes seriously the idea that Oprah or Zuckerberg or someone like that will be chosen by the Democrats; for those who think so it shows they have no understanding of other groups of people whatsoever. The most deranged SJW shills believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who only lost through Russian hacking, and the most hardcore far rightists believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who was only beaten by Trump's 24.5D chess. In reality everyone else reasonable knows that 2016 was flukey and nothing like Hillary's terrible campaign will happen the same way again.

    Hillary lost because she was the natural expression of the left’s hatred for white people, a hatred she expressed through her deplorable comment.

    She was not a terrible candidate. She was the left’s Id.

    What candidate is the left going to field who is not a white-hating bigot?

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  179. The Fringes have coughed up an ace:
    Right gender, celebrity face.
    She’s the Yang to Trump’s Yin,
    But she’s not quite as thin
    As Kenyans who win when they race.

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  180. grapesoda says:
    @Krastos the Gluemaker
    The Republicans are losing 0.5-1 million votes a year from white population decline and nonwhite population growth. That's not everything but it's a reality to be recognized. The Republicans are never going to randomly surge back and win many more black voters or some fantasy like that.

    At an individual level Trump will probably be less popular and voters will be more disappointed with him, true, but that's also not the most salient compared to the rest of the cold numbers of party politics and how some number of voters respond to incumbents. (All the present polling is distorted by usual tricks of abandoning citizen/registerd voter etc criteria, you have to wait till nearer to elections to get polls consistent with other election cycles, but that's a digression). Regardless Trump as a lame duck will be less popular since he won't have built a wall/proved evolution wrong/colonized Mars/whatever moron thing diehard Trump supporters thought would happen. Before 2016, Trump was an unknown wild card that some voters projected their hopes onto too; in general that just doesn't happen with any POTUS after being in office.

    People might say a war could bolster Trump's support, or of course typical stuff like a recession hurts the incumbent president, but he really just will be a lame duck who can't compete against any remotely good candidate the next time around. (I don't think Trump will be impeached etc with any likelihood either, just for the record. Though once again that is actually good for large groups of Dems/Berniecrats etc)

    As I might point out elsewhere, the Republicans hold the Senate because of luck in prior election cycles and the House because of a mix of that and gerrymandering, and could through next fall. That won't change 2020.

    Trump didn't actually have great success in 2016 in election terms; he didn't meaningfully do better than Romney but won by a fluke (Hillary despised the American people and lost millions of votes that Obama had to third parties, for starters)

    It's impossible to understate in mere words how much better the Dems can do with anyone but Hillary next time around. At worst the Dems will have someone like Booker. (I know people around here would dislike him, I too think he is an empty shell, that doesn't mean he couldn't win the nomination process and be competitive in the general)

    Finally it's unclear what baseline assumptions everyone makes and of course there is the deeply ironic fundamental disconnect between koolaid drinkers and everyone else, where the alt-right all share one moronic belief with their mirror images. It's more sad than funny that the alt-right takes seriously the idea that Oprah or Zuckerberg or someone like that will be chosen by the Democrats; for those who think so it shows they have no understanding of other groups of people whatsoever. The most deranged SJW shills believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who only lost through Russian hacking, and the most hardcore far rightists believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who was only beaten by Trump's 24.5D chess. In reality everyone else reasonable knows that 2016 was flukey and nothing like Hillary's terrible campaign will happen the same way again.

    All speculation at this point. You have identified a lot of factors but neither you nor anyone else knows how they’re going to play out in the real world. Your thinking is very unempirical.

    the most hardcore far rightists believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who was only beaten by Trump’s 24.5D chess.

    That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

    Drumph is surely an idiot. What did he ever accomplish,

    Who knows if you are even a conservative at all, and not just a deluded troll here in a pathetic attempt to demoralize us. One thing I note about doom trolls like you is that you never stand up in favor of pro-civilization principles or oppose anti-civilization principles, but yet we’re supposed to accept that you are implicitly a conservative for some reason. If you really are a pro-civilization conservative, then you need to get your head examined because your defeatist attitude will do you no favors when navigating the choppy waters of life.

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  181. Wency says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, he may be. If he lasts 8 years, there's a pretty good chance that he'll be the last. Regardless, once Florida flips, it's basically over. Sooner or later, Texas or Arizona will flip as well.

    Of course, with the presidency comes the judges.

    We whites better get used to a lot more overt government policies against us - and in the name of equality, of course.

    Trump would have won despite the loss of FL. There aren’t any other big states that are about to be “flipped” demographically; he won TX by 9 points. The bigger trouble is getting the white working class to actually show up. They might, if the Democrats double down on anti-white ideology.

    But I generally agree that the Republicans have it bad. They’re not going to win the popular vote again (they lose 2 points every 4 years due to demographics, and it’s tough to gain 3 points among whites to compensate), but I think the electoral college is still in contention for a while. The push to eliminate it will get stronger though if it becomes clear that it strongly favors Republicans.

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  182. Sean says:

    Zuckerberg has hired Obama people and is obviously considering a run at being pres. Facebook can turn an election in a democracy, there is no doubt about that now.

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    >Zuckerberg is a contender for President
    No, he can't be, and opinions to the contrary do not matter. Zuck would lose an election to a large, friendly pig.
    >Facebook can swing an election
    What? Are you doing this on purpose?
    >there's no doubt about that now
    Oh, so you actually believe that incoherent nonsense about "Russian hackers"? You saw the tech illierate congresscritter hold up an image of a 4chan meme and heard him call it an advertisement? You saw the facebook ad with the election-swinging six thousand likes?
    "Russian hackers" is a way of dismissing us. It depends on many impossible things, notably that people did not object to the artificial "refugee" crisis in 2015, or, indeed, until they saw a couple of ads on facebook. No person initiated into 4chan culture is on facebook (hating Zuck is a primary sacrament). If anything facebook dupes can be generalized as centrist or Democrat.
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  183. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    Strengthening federalism seems much more feasible, and desirable, than outright partition. The federal government needs to devolve 90% of its current power to the states, and states in turn need to devolve most of their power to municipalities. People should live in places that most align with their values. Communities should have very strong control over local norms and laws. If one community wants to throw people in jail for"misgendering" people and force bakers to bake wedding cakes for homosexual
    pseudoweddings, they should be able to. If another community wants to criminalize any homosexual behavior, they should be able to. Enough with having a quasi-omnipotent top-down federal government that everyone fights to control. Neuter centralized government and let people spend their energy living how they want instead of trying to force their beliefs on the entire country.

    Yours is the best solution but it would require federal lawmakers and federal employees to devolve their power back to the states, counties and cities. A non-starter, unfortunately.

    People don’t usually give up wealth or power without a fight, and that goes triple for those who wield the “monopoly on the legitimate use of force.” The Smaller the Political Unit, the Greater the Freedom isn’t the sort of bromide they’re going to swallow, or even let us fairly consider.

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    I'm just saying, before partition becomes a thinkable solution to our problems, increased federalism would almost necessarily be discussed, if not enacted, first. Partition would likely only be realistically discussed if much greater federalism than we have now proved to be insufficient. As a general rule, people seek simpler, less drastic solutions to problems first.
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  184. @Opinionator
    ?

    I think Oprah used to put gifts under audience seats.
    (Why do I know that? What a waste, my life!)

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  185. biz says:
    @Opinionator
    The core elements of Trump's appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance, tax cuts, deregulation, withdrawal from Paris Accord, possible withdrawal from the Iran Deal. Even "infrastructure" is outside the scope of his core appeal.

    WTF??

    The core elements of Trump’s appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    First, on manufacturing, it has actually been coming back to the United States, from before Trump was even a thing through the present. But it does not come with many jobs anymore, because of automation. Anyone who thought that Trump, or anyone else, could reverse the decline of manufacturing jobs was an idiot.

    Second, on restraining wars abroad, this was never one of Trumps selling points. Rather he promised to get more aggressive with ISIS than Obama.

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    ...on restraining wars abroad, this was never one of Trumps selling points.
     
    From Donald Trump's foreign policy speech at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington DC, April 2016:

    I will not hesitate to deploy military force when there is no alternative...

    I will never send our finest into battle unless necessary, and I mean absolutely necessary...

    Our goal is peace and prosperity, not war and destruction. The best way to achieve those goals is through a disciplined, deliberate and consistent foreign policy...

    ...unlike other candidates for the presidency, war and aggression will not be my first instinct. You cannot have a foreign policy without diplomacy. A superpower understands that caution and restraint are really truly signs of strength.
     
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  186. FozzieT says:
    @Jonah
    She is a cipher. A black lady Talented Mr. Ripley. She's a human Rorschach test. Are you rich? Me too! Are you poor? Me too! Are you downtrodden? Girl, I got you. Are you a boss? I have an an empire!

    Such people do not appear on ballots or relent to 18 months of pointed questions. They cannot afford to. You can't run for president on fame alone. Sooner or later you have to fight for something other than your own aggrandizement. A lot of somethings. A whole platform. You have to have an answer to every question. Trump had an agenda. He took a risk to espouse it and it cost him millions of fans and customers. Will Oprah piss off half of the country that has made her a saint? I doubt it.

    What would Oprah's agenda be? Once she is forced to espouse it, the warm feelings for her woud go away. And she would be exposed as a know nothing on so many issues. And she knows that better than anyone. Which is why she won't run.

    Ms. Winfrey, what would have us do about Pakistan. Do you know anything about Pakistan's role in that region?
    Ms. Winfrey, how do you feel about late term abortion?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you support the police?
    Ms. Winfrey, we can't just give everyone a new car. How would you pay for your proposed programs?
    Ms. Winfrey, you used to claim to have kept cockroaches as pets. What the hell was that about?
    Ms. Winfrey, do you believe in the institution of marriage? If so, why haven't you married this Steadman guy yet?
    Ms. Winfrey, you've said old white people "just have to die." Can you elaborate?

    Please.

    The press would never ask her those questions.

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  187. biz says:
    @Deplorables for Oprah
    The white working class in the Rust Belt just LOVE a rich, spoiled black woman.

    Democrats are gonna CRUSH it in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan.

    But how do their wives/girlfriends/babymommas feel about her? That’s what will decide the election.

    I don’t know the answer, because my contact with that demographic is somewhat limited these days.

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  188. @Haven Monahan
    People are saying that she wouldn't run because it would be too costly or otherwise might ruin her brand. But for what else is her brand worth preserving? Eventually she too will become less powerful and she'll get bumped off like Harvey Weinstein was when her usefulness as mogul and macher declines.

    She could let herself be drafted if Democratic Party fixers can persuade her that any possible skeletons in her closet can be blackmailed or bribed to stay there. We've already shown that we're willing to vote for horn-dog philanderers, cocaine party boys and choom gangsters... Can't imagine what secrets she's got that the public isn't willing to forgive and accept as some noble experience essential to the kind of redemption narrative they're suckers for. Indeed her checkered past is likely to make her even more attractive than somebody who's always been righteous and never left the straight and narrow. Americans prefer to see fallen specimens that reflect their own weakness right back at them than righteous goody-two-shoes like Mitt Romney who seem to do everything right.


    A fawning captive media will treat her with even softer kid gloves than they used for Barry O.
    She'll enjoy the benefit of female privilege that Hillary didn't get; any attacks on her will be viewed as "ungentlemanly" and out of bounds. It will be very very difficult to make any oppo research fueled negative campaigning stick. More likely it will backfire making anybody who uses it look like a horrible meany attacking America's notoriously sweet-toothed sweetheart.

    She's already got the instant brand recognition that Trump had... essential for being taken seriously in the early phases of the election.

    The wives of all the deplorables, who are among her most devoted fans, will line up right behind her.

    The Black voters in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Georgia will make extraordinary efforts to get to the polls.

    Many Trump voters were mobilized more by Hillary-hate than Trump-love; which a different choice will make very clear.

    Any deficits regarding specific knowledge, she can very easily study and bull$hit her way through like Trump did. Not being a policy wonk probably worked in Trump's favor. Her sensitivity, charisma and media savvy are things that Kamala Harris & Bernie Sanders or anybody else could probably never master no matter how much they prepare.


    If she does run, it's hers to lose.

    If she does run, it’s hers to lose.

    And we would all be the worse for it. It would be like the dog finally catching the car. Now what?

    Let’s see what some of her policies might be:
    Draconian Hate Speech Laws (only applied to Whites and Christians of course)
    2A gone with some kind of gun confiscation.
    Wide open borders.
    Even more AA, this time coming after White women, not just White Men (although this might have to wait until her 2nd term)
    Supreme Court appointments that will make Ruth Bader look conservative.
    Killing of the domestic Oil and Gas industry
    Being had even more than usual by the ChiComs
    Coming hard after home schoolers
    More burkas and Mosques
    The first Tranny Secretary of Defense
    EPA regulations all but killing private property ownership
    Even more Google NSA privacy invasions
    Making it illegal to possess a Confederate Flag

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  189. keypusher says:
    @Krastos the Gluemaker
    Trump got >50% of all white female voters in 2016. Not all white female adults, since voter turnout is not that high.

    The reason you might not remember correctly is the MSM got this wrong and kind of memory-holed it. Before the election, there were thousands of journalists saying Hillary would win white women and most of them just sort of never admitted they were wrong and never mentioned it again.

    And the polls themseleves, not just opinion writers, also were massively wrong, which they were about many, many other things too. For instance Johnson did not get close to as much as the polls often showed.

    There will never be very accurate, valid data sources on everything like the actual third party vote because the polls (incl exit polls) were so screwed up. Still, more males voted third party than females, and actually it's almost certain that >10% of white male voters voted third party.

    The reason you might not remember correctly is the MSM got this wrong and kind of memory-holed it. Before the election, there were thousands of journalists saying Hillary would win white women and most of them just sort of never admitted they were wrong and never mentioned it again.

    Memory-holed it? That is the complete opposite of reality. The fact that >50% white women voted for Trump was the subject of endless shrieking after the election, and you can bet you’ll hear a lot more about it in the run-up to 2020.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/hillary-clinton-white-women-vote/507422/

    Trump was probably the first Republican to lose college-educated women since they became a significant part of the elecorate, but a lot of journalists are ignorant of the relative stability of racial patterns in voting over time, so they don’t understand that Trump only getting 53% of white women is actually not that good.

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  190. @Opinionator
    The core elements of Trump's appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.

    Instead, the headline policies in the first year have been repeal of healthcare insurance, tax cuts, deregulation, withdrawal from Paris Accord, possible withdrawal from the Iran Deal. Even "infrastructure" is outside the scope of his core appeal.

    WTF??

    But Mommy I wanted a unicorn that pooped Skittles not just a pony.

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  191. @Steve Sailer
    Oprah is something.

    So is a turd in a punch bowl.

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  192. How racist is America if this is really being considered?

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  193. White liberals have found their new Black savior.

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    So what? Despite her comments white women remain her largest audience and supporters.
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  195. Brutusale says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Trump would mop the floor with Oprah. He would thrash her so badly that most people would find it too painful to watch. I don't think Oprah wants to go out on that kind of note. She's much more valuable to the Democrats as a kingmaker, as the one to give her shamonic approval to the one who eventually runs. She's being groomed not to be the candidate, but to bless the candidate.

    People are forgetting that Oprah is a Baby Boomer, and there will be no further Boomer presidents after Trump. She represents the identity politics of a bygone era. Everything associated with the name Oprah has grown tired and old, and will especially be so by 2020. Over the course of the next generation, the electorate will come to expect and demand a sort of callous ruthlessness in their leaders. That's why Trump will win again. He is something of a man out of time, the only one of his generation able to play the required role. His luck will hold out for one more round and he will become the Grey Champion, the last of the Boomers.

    If the Democrats has any brains they would run Tulsi Gabbard. She's beautiful, smart, tough, youthful, and she has a habit of being on the right side of many important issues. But they cannot nominate her because she is anti-Deep-State, and the current Democrat party machinery is pretty much hardwired to the Deep State like a thermostat into a wall. Perhaps Tulsi will have a chance in 2024, but not before and probably not until after.

    I think the Democrats may very well nominate Rahm Emanuel. He's already from Oprah's Chicago and is a fit subject to receive "the blessing." It can only be him or Biden, but Biden seems a bit too old and too White for the Current Year. The Dems will lose to to Trump and in so doing will have exhausted the last strength of their coalition. After that, it's a brave new world.

    Gabbard’s positions would attract some nasty Deplorables, so she’s definitely out for the Democratic Party as it currently exists.

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  196. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous
    Yours is the best solution but it would require federal lawmakers and federal employees to devolve their power back to the states, counties and cities. A non-starter, unfortunately.

    People don't usually give up wealth or power without a fight, and that goes triple for those who wield the "monopoly on the legitimate use of force." The Smaller the Political Unit, the Greater the Freedom isn't the sort of bromide they're going to swallow, or even let us fairly consider.

    I’m just saying, before partition becomes a thinkable solution to our problems, increased federalism would almost necessarily be discussed, if not enacted, first. Partition would likely only be realistically discussed if much greater federalism than we have now proved to be insufficient. As a general rule, people seek simpler, less drastic solutions to problems first.

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  197. @Haven Monahan
    Oprah is probably the only voice that Black America might ever listen to if she had the courage to call out the excesses of the Black-Lives-Matter gangster-demagogues.

    She could be the last chance to heal some of the identity-politics rifts if she has the guts to alienate some of the most divisive voices that would probably support her. But that's exactly what needs to happen. It's not like that pack will ever listen to voices like Heather MacDonald no matter how correct they are.

    Don't hold your breath.

    I don’t see that as ever happening. For all we know Oprah thinks BLM and Antifa are fine and dandy. In fact, most likely she does.

    It could be a Merkel-esque disaster actually, but with added racial animus.

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  198. @Clyde
    I know this: Oprah never got a job via the casting couch. What kind of guy with normal sexuality would vote for her? Her idea of a man is that weird Steadman creature she hangs with intermittently, when she craves a walker/escort/beard.

    Doesn’t Steadman have, like, the best job in the world? Beard for one of the world’s richest women with the only requirement that he occasionally accompany her to fancy parties. Outside of that, he can do as he pleases as long as he can keep it out of the Enquirer.

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    Doesn’t Steadman have, like, the best job in the world? Beard for one of the world’s richest women with the only requirement that he occasionally accompany her to fancy parties.
     
    So what's the deal with George Lucas and his Steadwoman?
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  199. @Haven Monahan
    People are saying that she wouldn't run because it would be too costly or otherwise might ruin her brand. But for what else is her brand worth preserving? Eventually she too will become less powerful and she'll get bumped off like Harvey Weinstein was when her usefulness as mogul and macher declines.

    She could let herself be drafted if Democratic Party fixers can persuade her that any possible skeletons in her closet can be blackmailed or bribed to stay there. We've already shown that we're willing to vote for horn-dog philanderers, cocaine party boys and choom gangsters... Can't imagine what secrets she's got that the public isn't willing to forgive and accept as some noble experience essential to the kind of redemption narrative they're suckers for. Indeed her checkered past is likely to make her even more attractive than somebody who's always been righteous and never left the straight and narrow. Americans prefer to see fallen specimens that reflect their own weakness right back at them than righteous goody-two-shoes like Mitt Romney who seem to do everything right.


    A fawning captive media will treat her with even softer kid gloves than they used for Barry O.
    She'll enjoy the benefit of female privilege that Hillary didn't get; any attacks on her will be viewed as "ungentlemanly" and out of bounds. It will be very very difficult to make any oppo research fueled negative campaigning stick. More likely it will backfire making anybody who uses it look like a horrible meany attacking America's notoriously sweet-toothed sweetheart.

    She's already got the instant brand recognition that Trump had... essential for being taken seriously in the early phases of the election.

    The wives of all the deplorables, who are among her most devoted fans, will line up right behind her.

    The Black voters in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Georgia will make extraordinary efforts to get to the polls.

    Many Trump voters were mobilized more by Hillary-hate than Trump-love; which a different choice will make very clear.

    Any deficits regarding specific knowledge, she can very easily study and bull$hit her way through like Trump did. Not being a policy wonk probably worked in Trump's favor. Her sensitivity, charisma and media savvy are things that Kamala Harris & Bernie Sanders or anybody else could probably never master no matter how much they prepare.


    If she does run, it's hers to lose.

    She didn’t come out looking so good in the flap over the $38,000 handbag. She has a lot of racial hostility, like Obama.

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  200. @Yan Shen
    Does this mean that uh everyone in this country gets a free car now?

    Do you dictate your comments into the computer? I can’t understand why all the “uh”s appear.

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  201. BB753 says:
    @Mr. Anon
    She could have Ellen DeGeneres as her running mate. The entire cabinet could be talk-show hosts: Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Conan O'Brien, etc.

    The winning ticket would be Oprah and Michelle Obama as VP ! Two sassy black ladies to guide the country to greater heights with their infinite wisdom! They can rally a divided nation behind their large behinds. “We need our weaves!”

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  202. jim jones says:

    Do Black Politicians Matter?

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w24190#fromrss

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  203. Art of the deal?

    Trump says he will sign any immigration bill that Congress puts in front of him. It’s on video.

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  204. rogue-one says:
    @ben tillman
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD7QfC0Xjwk

    So what? Despite her comments white women remain her largest audience and supporters.

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    I keep seeing people say that white women are her biggest audience, but surely it’s black women? She’s one of their own; her success means a lot to them.

    Just as I remember seeing Obama articles taped to the walls of offices in the black government bureaucracies in my city. I’d expect cOprah to receive the same level of worship.
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  205. @J.Ross
    >you are limited to the establishment's pet thought leaders
    Okay then why try? And how leaderly were those thought leaders last November?

    I’m not limited to anyone’s thought leaders. I’m simply pointing out that celebrating pyrrhic victories is pointless. We’ve lost essentially every domestic battle fought in the last 30 years, so there’s not much to celebrate. We can keep pointing out that we win the substantive debate, that we dominate the radio talk show market, that liberals wallow in hypocrisy and that Trump got elected. Who controls the narrative and who is in it for the long-haul? What’s the date when Obamacare is phased out? Where’s the wall? But hey, none of that matters because I read an article somewhere that some people are souring a bit on him after he served two terms as president.

    If we think that debating whether all Democrats and/or leftists actually love and respect Obama will accomplish anything that matters, we’re wrong. They care about ultimate victory, not consistency or who was “proved wrong.” We can point to Bill Clinton’s reputation finally taking a hit now that he’s no longer of any use to the “establishment”, but so what? In 2016, we had an openly socialist candidate for one of the two major U.S. political parties run for the U.S. presidency and nearly get nominated (perhaps if not for some shenanigans on the part of the Clinton campaign, he would have been the nominee). This nearly 30 years after we “won” the Cold War and “proved” that Communism and Socialism doesn’t work. Even someone as ignorant as then Senator Obama (granted, it might have been a ghostwriter) was smart enough to quote Faulkner that “The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”

    So, we should try to win, but we need to focus on the right things and not whether some people somewhere might consider Obama to be a failure at some point in the future. Obama’s aim was to radically change the U.S. and he made some real progress in doing so; I would in no way characterize it is an abject failure if you properly understood what he was trying to do. It took years for any of the mainstream press to acknowledge Jimmy Carter was a bad president, but he is still heralded by many as a “great ex-president.” There are many in the U.S. who would agree. I think we’re already behind the eight ball and can ill afford to spend time guessing how politicians, historians and the press treat Obama in the future.

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  206. @Meretricious
    Oprah marveled at what a "brilliant" man Obama was. I believe Oprah really believes this; therefore, any campaign an Oprah would launch will reveal her to be an intellectual lightweight. And I doubt there will ever be another "black" president, given the abject failure of the Barry years.

    I Just shudder at the vision of this unread, crude nitwit becoming US President.

    America is doomed, there is no more hope for survival when such cretins are even considered for political office.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa ” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

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  207. @Coemgen
    https://youtu.be/-1sWsn1Q8lk

    That makes sense. Also, if the blacks die, it would end racism.

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  208. US has Negro fatigue–Oprah knows this and won’t run

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  209. Zach says:

    It would be great to have a president with so many cleaning tips and ideas for Thanksgiving leftovers. And we’d all lose weight with Dr. Oz as the Surgeon-General.

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  210. Thirdeye says:
    @Krastos the Gluemaker
    The Republicans are losing 0.5-1 million votes a year from white population decline and nonwhite population growth. That's not everything but it's a reality to be recognized. The Republicans are never going to randomly surge back and win many more black voters or some fantasy like that.

    At an individual level Trump will probably be less popular and voters will be more disappointed with him, true, but that's also not the most salient compared to the rest of the cold numbers of party politics and how some number of voters respond to incumbents. (All the present polling is distorted by usual tricks of abandoning citizen/registerd voter etc criteria, you have to wait till nearer to elections to get polls consistent with other election cycles, but that's a digression). Regardless Trump as a lame duck will be less popular since he won't have built a wall/proved evolution wrong/colonized Mars/whatever moron thing diehard Trump supporters thought would happen. Before 2016, Trump was an unknown wild card that some voters projected their hopes onto too; in general that just doesn't happen with any POTUS after being in office.

    People might say a war could bolster Trump's support, or of course typical stuff like a recession hurts the incumbent president, but he really just will be a lame duck who can't compete against any remotely good candidate the next time around. (I don't think Trump will be impeached etc with any likelihood either, just for the record. Though once again that is actually good for large groups of Dems/Berniecrats etc)

    As I might point out elsewhere, the Republicans hold the Senate because of luck in prior election cycles and the House because of a mix of that and gerrymandering, and could through next fall. That won't change 2020.

    Trump didn't actually have great success in 2016 in election terms; he didn't meaningfully do better than Romney but won by a fluke (Hillary despised the American people and lost millions of votes that Obama had to third parties, for starters)

    It's impossible to understate in mere words how much better the Dems can do with anyone but Hillary next time around. At worst the Dems will have someone like Booker. (I know people around here would dislike him, I too think he is an empty shell, that doesn't mean he couldn't win the nomination process and be competitive in the general)

    Finally it's unclear what baseline assumptions everyone makes and of course there is the deeply ironic fundamental disconnect between koolaid drinkers and everyone else, where the alt-right all share one moronic belief with their mirror images. It's more sad than funny that the alt-right takes seriously the idea that Oprah or Zuckerberg or someone like that will be chosen by the Democrats; for those who think so it shows they have no understanding of other groups of people whatsoever. The most deranged SJW shills believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who only lost through Russian hacking, and the most hardcore far rightists believe Hillary was a brilliant candidate who was only beaten by Trump's 24.5D chess. In reality everyone else reasonable knows that 2016 was flukey and nothing like Hillary's terrible campaign will happen the same way again.

    The problem with prognosticating an emerging Democratic lock because of demographics is that it assumes that the nonwhite vote will be monolithic. The 2008 and 2012 elections gave that impression, 2008 when Republicans were at their nadir over war and the economy, and 2012 when their candidate was a blatant elitist who made money off of destroying American jobs. 2016 actually showed cracks in that supposed electoral monolith that the Democrats have come to rely upon. Black males showed a move towards Trump and if Democrats continue to embrace misandry the trend is likely to continue. The Hispanic monolith is even weaker than the black monolith. Their values tend to be rooted in Catholicism and socially conservative (Hispanics voted with a significant margin against gay marriage in 2008). Championing misandry and the effeminizing of men is not going to sit well with Hispanic men or women who adhere to the traditions of La Familia with male protectors. Also, Hispanic identification tends to weaken significantly a couple of generations away from immigration, i.e. they start to identify as caucasian. There will be very real competition for the votes of nonwhites, and a more conservative program is likely to win a lot of them who are not indoctrinated with identity politics. East and South Asian immigrants also have streaks of cultural conservatism that will make the Democrats’ embrace of postmodernist identity politics unappealing.

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    Unfortunately, this isn't in any way true and there is no data to demonstrate otherwise. It's an old argument that Democrats and the Wall Street Journal crowd use to try and convince conservatives that letting in illegals from Mexico is really a boon to Republicans. The book "Adios America"dismantles this argument in a very convincing way. First, the social conservatism and the Catholicism of Hispanics is either exaggerated or waning. Second, no matter what their beliefs are regarding religion and social policy, Hispanics love the social welfare state and ultimately, that dictates their votes. It may be true that Hispanics aren't monolithic in every sense, but in the "who they vote" for sense, they are. In her book, Ms. Coulter points out that the PRI ruled Mexico for over seventy years. I also wouldn't count on other Hispanics, like let's say Puerto Ricans, to be crypto conservatives.

    As far as Asians are concerned, they are also not monolithic, but their voting record is in no way conservative. Pointing to a few prominent conservatives of Asian ancestry demonstrates nothing other than the fact that outliers exist. I wouldn't, for example, extrapolate too much about black Americans by examining the politics of Thomas Sowell or Ben Carson.

    Steve has pointed out how the KKKrazy Glue that holds the leftist coalition together is vulnerable in some respects. Nevertheless, there is a tipping point where the the number of conservative whites will decrease to such a number relative to the population as a whole that their influence in national elections will be minimal. There may still be politicians called Republicans, but they won't in any meaningful sense be conservative. I'm pretty sure we see that now. Even then, getting elected will be muy difficult. As Ann likes to say to those Republicans who argue this point with her, go to California, run as a conservative Republican and get elected governor and then we can talk.

    If that's not enough to convince you, consider why Democrats want the "undocumented" in the country. If they truly believed more illegals would help conservatives or the Republican party, they wouldn't want amnesty, sanctuary cities and the like. After all, they aren't the stupid party.
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  211. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    There was some pretty intensive and consuming politics (remember, the founders went straight into being the first leaders), but a lot of what we complain about is a result of over-extending the vote, popular appeal mass democracy, lobbying, and dealing with mass media, all of which they hated and wrote out of the original system. Elections were ugly but they were also contained. Pretty sure they hated the idea of a perpetual campaigner.

    The sheer length, cost and intensity of the campaign eliminates virtually all normal people.

    You’d need to have some sort of personality disorder to enter this arena today. You’d also have so many favours to repay, you’ll be pretty much owned anyway.

    The whole thing is pretty grotesque. Certainly not what was envisioned when the system was set up.

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  212. … Having spent about 15 seconds in The Presence in 1987, Oprah remains the greatest natural politician I’ve ever met.

    I forget what this grammatical error is called, but that opening dependent clause sounds like it refers to Oprah. That leaves the question, who is Th[is] Presence?

    You? Obama? Prince?

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    A dangling participle?
    , @englishmike

    I forget what this grammatical error is called...

     

    As Zach says, a "dangling participle"; but, in England, it is often termed a "misrelated participle".

    My favourite example of the type occurred in a documentary programme on the BBC:
    "Born to an upper middle-class family, his father died when he was only two".
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  213. @Harry Baldwin
    Doesn't Steadman have, like, the best job in the world? Beard for one of the world's richest women with the only requirement that he occasionally accompany her to fancy parties. Outside of that, he can do as he pleases as long as he can keep it out of the Enquirer.

    Doesn’t Steadman have, like, the best job in the world? Beard for one of the world’s richest women with the only requirement that he occasionally accompany her to fancy parties.

    So what’s the deal with George Lucas and his Steadwoman?

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  214. Zach says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    … Having spent about 15 seconds in The Presence in 1987, Oprah remains the greatest natural politician I’ve ever met.
     
    I forget what this grammatical error is called, but that opening dependent clause sounds like it refers to Oprah. That leaves the question, who is Th[is] Presence?

    You? Obama? Prince?

    A dangling participle?

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  215. Do you think prominent, ambitious, heterosexual White Male liberal politicos realize that for certain higher office’s; President of the United States, U.S. Supreme Court justice, the governors of certain blue states they now have no chance of being nominated now or in the future? Are they self aware enough to understand it was there own enabling that made this happen?

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    The answer to your question is Jeb Bush palling around with Mexican government criminals and honestly imagining that a born-to-wealth dysgenic dead end like him would last three seconds in competition with the modern day Borgias of the Spanish speaking Americas, or Bill Clinton's wife being put forward as a protector of women, or Bernie Sanders letting random black chicks have his microphone but then going on with his campaign. To be a politician is to be unburdened by reality.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    Are they self aware enough to understand it was there own enabling that made this happen?
     
    As Instapundit would say, "No. Next question".

    These morons never think that the things they gin up will come back to bite them, because they are the good people.
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  216. @Beardman

    Between Oprah and Pocahontas, the brainy and socially adept Oprah might have a chance. With Pocahontas? Hello again, President Trump.
     
    Remember Oprah confidently proclaimed she was a Zulu, even though anyone with a rudimentary grasp of history knew Zulus, with few exceptions, weren’t any part of the Atlantic slave trade, except perhaps occasionally as middl-men, selling off members of tribes they defeated to back and Portuguese slave merchants. She was forced to admit she wasn’t, then had to cop to her DNA results betraying that she was part Chinese.

    And brainy? Oprah's a big fat hot mess. She may be naive, but she’s not stupid. At her age, she knows her limitations, and seems interested in preserving her legacy. She must be aware of what Trump is capable of, and knows she’d fold under hardcore relentless pressure of massive assaults on her current good standing like an angry swarm of locusts.

    Stop Trump? The woman can’t even stop a hot fudge sundae!

    I confess I didn’t know of her Zulu proclamation. I also must confess that I’ve claimed to be a Samnite. (We wuz gladiators!)

    All that aside, our discussion was centered around whom the Dems would want in their next primary. If you will recall, last time around they chose a woman whose only platform was ‘it’s my turn.’

    She may be naive, but she’s not stupid. At her age, she knows her limitations, and seems interested in preserving her legacy.

    I don’t think she will run.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/01/09/gayle-king-oprah-winfrey-not-actively-considering-running-president-but-intrigued/1016513001/

    Oprah’s a big fat hot mess

    Well her weight does fluctuate certainly. Of course, during the presidential campaign both contenders morphed into blowfish. It’s hard to stay trim on the campaign trail.

    On the other hand, Bernie, with his ecto/mesomorph advantage and paleo-ish diet maintained a healthy weight.

    But it doesn’t matter, because:

    Stop Trump? The woman can’t even stop a hot fudge sundae!

    You win the internet with that one.

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  217. @Thirdeye
    The problem with prognosticating an emerging Democratic lock because of demographics is that it assumes that the nonwhite vote will be monolithic. The 2008 and 2012 elections gave that impression, 2008 when Republicans were at their nadir over war and the economy, and 2012 when their candidate was a blatant elitist who made money off of destroying American jobs. 2016 actually showed cracks in that supposed electoral monolith that the Democrats have come to rely upon. Black males showed a move towards Trump and if Democrats continue to embrace misandry the trend is likely to continue. The Hispanic monolith is even weaker than the black monolith. Their values tend to be rooted in Catholicism and socially conservative (Hispanics voted with a significant margin against gay marriage in 2008). Championing misandry and the effeminizing of men is not going to sit well with Hispanic men or women who adhere to the traditions of La Familia with male protectors. Also, Hispanic identification tends to weaken significantly a couple of generations away from immigration, i.e. they start to identify as caucasian. There will be very real competition for the votes of nonwhites, and a more conservative program is likely to win a lot of them who are not indoctrinated with identity politics. East and South Asian immigrants also have streaks of cultural conservatism that will make the Democrats' embrace of postmodernist identity politics unappealing.

    Unfortunately, this isn’t in any way true and there is no data to demonstrate otherwise. It’s an old argument that Democrats and the Wall Street Journal crowd use to try and convince conservatives that letting in illegals from Mexico is really a boon to Republicans. The book “Adios America”dismantles this argument in a very convincing way. First, the social conservatism and the Catholicism of Hispanics is either exaggerated or waning. Second, no matter what their beliefs are regarding religion and social policy, Hispanics love the social welfare state and ultimately, that dictates their votes. It may be true that Hispanics aren’t monolithic in every sense, but in the “who they vote” for sense, they are. In her book, Ms. Coulter points out that the PRI ruled Mexico for over seventy years. I also wouldn’t count on other Hispanics, like let’s say Puerto Ricans, to be crypto conservatives.

    As far as Asians are concerned, they are also not monolithic, but their voting record is in no way conservative. Pointing to a few prominent conservatives of Asian ancestry demonstrates nothing other than the fact that outliers exist. I wouldn’t, for example, extrapolate too much about black Americans by examining the politics of Thomas Sowell or Ben Carson.

    Steve has pointed out how the KKKrazy Glue that holds the leftist coalition together is vulnerable in some respects. Nevertheless, there is a tipping point where the the number of conservative whites will decrease to such a number relative to the population as a whole that their influence in national elections will be minimal. There may still be politicians called Republicans, but they won’t in any meaningful sense be conservative. I’m pretty sure we see that now. Even then, getting elected will be muy difficult. As Ann likes to say to those Republicans who argue this point with her, go to California, run as a conservative Republican and get elected governor and then we can talk.

    If that’s not enough to convince you, consider why Democrats want the “undocumented” in the country. If they truly believed more illegals would help conservatives or the Republican party, they wouldn’t want amnesty, sanctuary cities and the like. After all, they aren’t the stupid party.

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    Thorough and cogent rebuttal.

    Second, no matter what their beliefs are regarding religion and social policy, Hispanics love the social welfare state and ultimately, that dictates their votes.
     
    Likewise, with blacks, I believe. Said to be highly averse and even hostile to homosexuals and majority voted 'no' in referendum on same-sex "marriage". Yet still voted overwhelmingly for Obama and many other candidates who have emphatically endorsed and championed said travesty in particular and "LGBTQ" deviancy and degeneracy in general.

    Some great videos can be found online of Louis Farrakhan condemning Obama for the aforesaid transgression.
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  218. Dissident says:
    @EdwardM
    I could see Oprah winning in 2020. She might do so by running the most opaque campaign in history. She could make no policy pronouncements, no stump speeches, no debates (assuming she doesn't take federal funding), no interviews other than puff pieces in which she says how above politics she is, we need to heel as a nation, she won't engage in personal attacks, you go grrrl, etc.

    And it could work. Of course all media mentions would be puff pieces, far more than with Clinton or even Obama, and it would basically be a referendum on Trump with all of the culture stacked against him and Oprah presented as a heroine for our times (i.e., a magic negro).

    It's tempting to think of Trump's voter base in 2016 as his ceiling. Assuming that some downscale white women (Oprah's core audience) shift to her, and blacks come out at a higher rate, then which voters would move from Clinton 2016 to Trump 2020 to counteract Oprah? Best bet is probably a few middle- and upper-middle-class whites who are seeing higher paychecks and 401(k)'s. A few blacks who got jobs in the Trump economy? Some Millennials who are now working and paying taxes?

    we need to heel as a nation

    Was that misspelling deliberate?

    After all, few are the iSteve commenters who do not know that when the usual suspects talk about “healing” in the context-in-question, what they really mean is for hetero-normative whites to heel before persons-of-color, sexual deviants and degenerates, Muslims, and other Others.

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  219. @biz

    The core elements of Trump’s appeal with voters were immigration control, bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and greater restraint on wars abroad.
     
    First, on manufacturing, it has actually been coming back to the United States, from before Trump was even a thing through the present. But it does not come with many jobs anymore, because of automation. Anyone who thought that Trump, or anyone else, could reverse the decline of manufacturing jobs was an idiot.

    Second, on restraining wars abroad, this was never one of Trumps selling points. Rather he promised to get more aggressive with ISIS than Obama.

    …on restraining wars abroad, this was never one of Trumps selling points.

    From Donald Trump’s foreign policy speech at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington DC, April 2016:

    I will not hesitate to deploy military force when there is no alternative…

    I will never send our finest into battle unless necessary, and I mean absolutely necessary…

    Our goal is peace and prosperity, not war and destruction. The best way to achieve those goals is through a disciplined, deliberate and consistent foreign policy…

    …unlike other candidates for the presidency, war and aggression will not be my first instinct. You cannot have a foreign policy without diplomacy. A superpower understands that caution and restraint are really truly signs of strength.

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    biz is just wrong here. He reflexively opposes anything that may jeopardize American financial and military largesse to Israel.

    Fact is, Trump's criticism of Iraq and other Middle East involvement was one of the key things that set him apart from from the pack--and also incurred the wrath of the neocons. "#NeverTrump"
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  220. @Svigor

    I can see Oprah running, and possibly winning, against Trump. I don’t see Oprah running in a real primary. The powers behind the scenes would need to suppress the opposition, maybe sending out the message that “it is time” for a black woman and anyone who runs against her is a sexist racist. But fixing the primary didn’t work out so well last time. But that won’t necessarily stop them from doing it again.
     
    I was thinking something similar; Oprah might find her hardest going in the primary.

    I’d like to say “Not a chance in hell…” but then again, that’s exactly what I said in 2008.
     
    Yeah, same here. I actually thought there was some deep well of wisdom that would prevent the electorate from giving a completely unqualified unknown a pass just because he was Black. I was wrong.

    On the other hand, I give you John McCain. There's plenty of deep wisdom screaming "danger!" about that guy.

    I doubt we have to worry any more about McCain, due to his cancer and chemo treatment.

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  221. @Reg Cæsar

    … Having spent about 15 seconds in The Presence in 1987, Oprah remains the greatest natural politician I’ve ever met.
     
    I forget what this grammatical error is called, but that opening dependent clause sounds like it refers to Oprah. That leaves the question, who is Th[is] Presence?

    You? Obama? Prince?

    I forget what this grammatical error is called…

    As Zach says, a “dangling participle”; but, in England, it is often termed a “misrelated participle”.

    My favourite example of the type occurred in a documentary programme on the BBC:
    “Born to an upper middle-class family, his father died when he was only two”.

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    Is there something about Ms Winfrey which attracts dangling participles?

    From Associated press, 10th January 2018:

    As Democrats encouraged Winfrey to consider a bid, her best friend, CBS News host Gayle King, said Tuesday that Winfrey is "intrigued" by the idea.
    "She loves this country and would like to be of service in some way, but I don't think she's actively considering it at this time," King said, noting that she had spoken to Winfrey at length the night before.

     

    King then went on to confuse the issue with this participle:

    "I also know that after years of watching the Oprah show, you always have the right to change your mind."
     
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  222. @utu
    It was Oprah who sold Obama to African-Americans. Remember "He is the One, he is the One" at pro Obama rallies she organized in 2008/2009?

    She could lock down the pedophile sodomites vote by having Little Linda Graham as her VP. I’m sure he’ d be delighted

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  223. Svigor says:

    “We don’t have time for personality politics anymore. We’ve got that right now. We’ve got the greatest apprentice on earth,” DeMoro says, referring derisively to Trump. “We’ve substituted personalities for expertise in this country. The election itself has to be an in-depth debate about economic policy. That’s not her skill set. It has to be with people who seriously worked in government and understand how government works.

    We had 8 years of the greatest apprentice on Earth, Hussein Obama. He did nothing to qualify for the presidency, unlike Trump who has performed as an executive in a cutthroat industry for a very long time.

    And Hussein couldn’t get things done with a fawning press and a compliant swamp.

    Yeah, he may be. If he lasts 8 years, there’s a pretty good chance that he’ll be the last. Regardless, once Florida flips, it’s basically over. Sooner or later, Texas or Arizona will flip as well.

    Of course, with the presidency comes the judges.

    We whites better get used to a lot more overt government policies against us – and in the name of equality, of course.

    This assumes that White voting patterns remain constant, something they have not done.

    It’s tempting to think of Trump’s voter base in 2016 as his ceiling.

    Maybe. Incumbents always get a boost, and one might even argue that Trump could get a better boost than average (yes, I know I’m contradicting myself; anything’s possible I guess) because he hasn’t nuked anyone yet.

    Trump would mop the floor with Oprah. He would thrash her so badly that most people would find it too painful to watch. I don’t think Oprah wants to go out on that kind of note. She’s much more valuable to the Democrats as a kingmaker, as the one to give her shamonic approval to the one who eventually runs. She’s being groomed not to be the candidate, but to bless the candidate.

    LOL, like the old black lady of wisdom magic negro in The Stand.

    The Republicans are losing 0.5-1 million votes a year from white population decline and nonwhite population growth. That’s not everything but it’s a reality to be recognized. The Republicans are never going to randomly surge back and win many more black voters or some fantasy like that.

    Again, the assumption that White voting patterns will hold constant, something they have not done.

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  224. @rogue-one
    So what? Despite her comments white women remain her largest audience and supporters.

    I keep seeing people say that white women are her biggest audience, but surely it’s black women? She’s one of their own; her success means a lot to them.

    Just as I remember seeing Obama articles taped to the walls of offices in the black government bureaucracies in my city. I’d expect cOprah to receive the same level of worship.

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  225. J.Ross says: • Website
    @George Taylor
    Do you think prominent, ambitious, heterosexual White Male liberal politicos realize that for certain higher office's; President of the United States, U.S. Supreme Court justice, the governors of certain blue states they now have no chance of being nominated now or in the future? Are they self aware enough to understand it was there own enabling that made this happen?

    The answer to your question is Jeb Bush palling around with Mexican government criminals and honestly imagining that a born-to-wealth dysgenic dead end like him would last three seconds in competition with the modern day Borgias of the Spanish speaking Americas, or Bill Clinton’s wife being put forward as a protector of women, or Bernie Sanders letting random black chicks have his microphone but then going on with his campaign. To be a politician is to be unburdened by reality.

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  226. @englishmike

    ...on restraining wars abroad, this was never one of Trumps selling points.
     
    From Donald Trump's foreign policy speech at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington DC, April 2016:

    I will not hesitate to deploy military force when there is no alternative...

    I will never send our finest into battle unless necessary, and I mean absolutely necessary...

    Our goal is peace and prosperity, not war and destruction. The best way to achieve those goals is through a disciplined, deliberate and consistent foreign policy...

    ...unlike other candidates for the presidency, war and aggression will not be my first instinct. You cannot have a foreign policy without diplomacy. A superpower understands that caution and restraint are really truly signs of strength.
     

    biz is just wrong here. He reflexively opposes anything that may jeopardize American financial and military largesse to Israel.

    Fact is, Trump’s criticism of Iraq and other Middle East involvement was one of the key things that set him apart from from the pack–and also incurred the wrath of the neocons. “#NeverTrump”

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    Fact is, Trump’s criticism of Iraq and other Middle East involvement was one of the key things that set him apart from from the pack–and also incurred the wrath of the neocons. “#NeverTrump”
     
    That could be but there's more to the picture. During the campaign, the President also threw some pretty juicy red meat out to Invade the World tough guys and Zionist hawks. And for that very reason, there were more than a few staunch Zionists who favored him over H. (Rodham-)Clinton. This included at least some neocon types, such as David Horowitz and Norman Podhoretz (the elder Pod), as covered by our host, Mr. Sailer. It is from one of those iSteve posts that I distinctly recall that Horowitz, at least, specifically cited Trump's promise to "shred" the Iran deal.

    I many times lamented during the campaign that when it came to Invade the World, Trump was considerably weaker, less clear and less consistent than he was on Invite the World. It seemed to me (and still does) that the President could have gained considerable additional support if he would have had a clear, strong and consistent anti-war message and emphasized it. I do question, though, just how possible that would have been, given the reality that war is perhaps the one area for which it can be said more than any other that we have a Uniparty.

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  227. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Sean
    Zuckerberg has hired Obama people and is obviously considering a run at being pres. Facebook can turn an election in a democracy, there is no doubt about that now.

    >Zuckerberg is a contender for President
    No, he can’t be, and opinions to the contrary do not matter. Zuck would lose an election to a large, friendly pig.
    >Facebook can swing an election
    What? Are you doing this on purpose?
    >there’s no doubt about that now
    Oh, so you actually believe that incoherent nonsense about “Russian hackers”? You saw the tech illierate congresscritter hold up an image of a 4chan meme and heard him call it an advertisement? You saw the facebook ad with the election-swinging six thousand likes?
    “Russian hackers” is a way of dismissing us. It depends on many impossible things, notably that people did not object to the artificial “refugee” crisis in 2015, or, indeed, until they saw a couple of ads on facebook. No person initiated into 4chan culture is on facebook (hating Zuck is a primary sacrament). If anything facebook dupes can be generalized as centrist or Democrat.

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  228. @englishmike

    I forget what this grammatical error is called...

     

    As Zach says, a "dangling participle"; but, in England, it is often termed a "misrelated participle".

    My favourite example of the type occurred in a documentary programme on the BBC:
    "Born to an upper middle-class family, his father died when he was only two".

    Is there something about Ms Winfrey which attracts dangling participles?

    From Associated press, 10th January 2018:

    As Democrats encouraged Winfrey to consider a bid, her best friend, CBS News host Gayle King, said Tuesday that Winfrey is “intrigued” by the idea.
    “She loves this country and would like to be of service in some way, but I don’t think she’s actively considering it at this time,” King said, noting that she had spoken to Winfrey at length the night before.

    King then went on to confuse the issue with this participle:

    “I also know that after years of watching the Oprah show, you always have the right to change your mind.”

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  229. Sean says:

    Russia does not control a social media platform that dominates the internet (all click bait ads were specifically designed to, only there to, game Facebook’s algorithm).

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-nsas-top-talent-is-leaving-because-of-low-pay-and-battered-morale/2018/01/02/ff19f0c6-ec04-11e7-9f92-10a2203f6c8d_story.html

    Facebook has the NSA people deserting to it in droves. Zuckerberg might have had the means to stop Trump getting elected and probably would have if he’d seen a Trump win coming years before. The next election will be fought against social media with computer power that already can win at Texas no limit hold em poker as well as go and chess. They can refine ads, find what works and with the Facebook (and others like Google) altering its rules to hamstring the opposition, yes they can turn an election. Zuckerberg might not run but his and similar corperations will be the real opposition, not the Dems candidate.

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    So they're ready to fight the last war?
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  230. Alden says:
    @J.Ross
    Oprah's influence came from having the ideal time slot in the last years of network television. Now she struggles for viewers. She has never been a strategist.
    Since it's an open thread
    a song about migration from a Cambodian basket-weaving online forum denied its justice

    what have I posted, Hiroshi', what have I done
    become a normie with Norton
    become a twitt'rer for fun
    Has OP replied and is the hour now found
    That nothing remains but tendies on the ground
    The floorbound tendies that nobody sees
    As the pusher robot makes descent a breeze
    If there's another happening joint
    son i am very disappoint
    I have achieved what no tripfag can with a name
    When they gave me a number the last two digits were the same
    The frog has departed the well
    The witch will be dragged off to hell
    Then why did I allow that mod
    to sticky my thread and be called God
    he tsundere'd me like a maggot
    he gave me Abigail pics and called me a faggot
    One click from him and I'd be banned
    watching David misstate facts
    and [unable to argue] forced to relax
    My log belongs to Chris I know
    I signed that EULA long ago
    My browser's pointed to and fro
    Is there another page to k's'post
    I am backtraced but I ghost
    And the Wired is dark and vast
    As I stare into the pixels
    Of lonely Saturdays building my past
    I'll escape now from the Wired
    And go a way from the key board
    ANONYMOUS NAMES NO ONE NOW
    DIVISION BY ZERO IS UNDEFINED!~!

    Her show was just a copy of Phil Donahue. But she and her adoring audience turned it into a billion dollar brand.

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    Oprah is rich because she owned her show. Phil Donahue was a hired hand.
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  231. Alden says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    The Dems are going for the TV-watching, Oprah-loving female voter. All emotion and no substantive policy. Might work.

    2014 Tweet:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/518108200391163904

    White women will have to be appealed to explicitly in racial terms if Oprah runs. The White ladies who think Oprah is their imaginary Black pal will have to be snapped out of their lunacy with tough rhetoric.

    White political leaders will have to connect Oprah to Black criminality, Black Lives Matter thuggery, Black rape against White females, Black IQ and Black lack of impulse control and the fact that sub-Saharan Africa is a hell hole because of the Blacks who live there.

    Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore, Newark and every other region of Black population concentration must be used as an example of what happens when Blacks run amok.

    Oprah will be a good wedge to separate out the weak cowardly cuckservatives like Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell. White women want a White political leader who will fight for them. Oprah should be encouraged to run.

    Oprah makes the politics racial; any politics that leads to explicit WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS is good.

    It will be pretty difficult to connect Oprah to criminal black men.

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  232. Alden says:
    @Clyde

    He should dump Pence for Oprah.
     
    Far wiser for Donald Trump to appoint her Minster of Entertainment and Ethno-masochism.

    Ambassador to Sweden, Germany or S Africa would be good.

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  233. @George Taylor
    Do you think prominent, ambitious, heterosexual White Male liberal politicos realize that for certain higher office's; President of the United States, U.S. Supreme Court justice, the governors of certain blue states they now have no chance of being nominated now or in the future? Are they self aware enough to understand it was there own enabling that made this happen?

    Are they self aware enough to understand it was there own enabling that made this happen?

    As Instapundit would say, “No. Next question”.

    These morons never think that the things they gin up will come back to bite them, because they are the good people.

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  234. @Alden
    Her show was just a copy of Phil Donahue. But she and her adoring audience turned it into a billion dollar brand.

    Oprah is rich because she owned her show. Phil Donahue was a hired hand.

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  235. @Steve Sailer
    Oprah is something.

    The party of the perverts, the parasites and the privileged.?

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  236. @Dissident

    Lesbian rumors about her and Gayle King etc.
     
    Could such rumors harm a Democrat running in Current Year? If anything, wouldn't homosexual experience be considered a pro?

    I’m sure black men would love it.

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  237. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Sean
    Russia does not control a social media platform that dominates the internet (all click bait ads were specifically designed to, only there to, game Facebook's algorithm).

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-nsas-top-talent-is-leaving-because-of-low-pay-and-battered-morale/2018/01/02/ff19f0c6-ec04-11e7-9f92-10a2203f6c8d_story.html
    Facebook has the NSA people deserting to it in droves. Zuckerberg might have had the means to stop Trump getting elected and probably would have if he'd seen a Trump win coming years before. The next election will be fought against social media with computer power that already can win at Texas no limit hold em poker as well as go and chess. They can refine ads, find what works and with the Facebook (and others like Google) altering its rules to hamstring the opposition, yes they can turn an election. Zuckerberg might not run but his and similar corperations will be the real opposition, not the Dems candidate.

    So they’re ready to fight the last war?

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    Like the Germans in 1939!
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  238. @Rosamond Vincy
    TV has ruined politics. Ever since the landmark televised Nixon-Kennedy debates, it's all about who has charisma. Oh, to have someone boring and competent manage the country without having to INSPIRE it!

    Oh, to have someone boring and competent manage the country without having to INSPIRE it!

    Oh, come on. Nobody could do boring like Obama could.

    And “managing the country” is not in the president’s, nor anybody else’s, job description. He’s charged with presiding over the government. That’s all.

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  239. @Dave Pinsen
    America can't wait to look under its seat.

    America can’t wait to look under its seat.

    For chewing gum?

    Hell, it’s been decades since anyone was fined for spitting in the street.

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  240. Dissident says:
    @Opinionator
    biz is just wrong here. He reflexively opposes anything that may jeopardize American financial and military largesse to Israel.

    Fact is, Trump's criticism of Iraq and other Middle East involvement was one of the key things that set him apart from from the pack--and also incurred the wrath of the neocons. "#NeverTrump"

    Fact is, Trump’s criticism of Iraq and other Middle East involvement was one of the key things that set him apart from from the pack–and also incurred the wrath of the neocons. “#NeverTrump”

    That could be but there’s more to the picture. During the campaign, the President also threw some pretty juicy red meat out to Invade the World tough guys and Zionist hawks. And for that very reason, there were more than a few staunch Zionists who favored him over H. (Rodham-)Clinton. This included at least some neocon types, such as David Horowitz and Norman Podhoretz (the elder Pod), as covered by our host, Mr. Sailer. It is from one of those iSteve posts that I distinctly recall that Horowitz, at least, specifically cited Trump’s promise to “shred” the Iran deal.

    I many times lamented during the campaign that when it came to Invade the World, Trump was considerably weaker, less clear and less consistent than he was on Invite the World. It seemed to me (and still does) that the President could have gained considerable additional support if he would have had a clear, strong and consistent anti-war message and emphasized it. I do question, though, just how possible that would have been, given the reality that war is perhaps the one area for which it can be said more than any other that we have a Uniparty.

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    Fair points. And yet, there were good reasons to believe Trump, of anyone, would change our course. Also, large swaths of Americans in both parties just seem to really be supportive of fighting ""Islamofascism"", so it is perhaps unrealistic to expect a purer antiwar campaign or administration.
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  241. Dissident says:
    @NoWeltschmerz
    Unfortunately, this isn't in any way true and there is no data to demonstrate otherwise. It's an old argument that Democrats and the Wall Street Journal crowd use to try and convince conservatives that letting in illegals from Mexico is really a boon to Republicans. The book "Adios America"dismantles this argument in a very convincing way. First, the social conservatism and the Catholicism of Hispanics is either exaggerated or waning. Second, no matter what their beliefs are regarding religion and social policy, Hispanics love the social welfare state and ultimately, that dictates their votes. It may be true that Hispanics aren't monolithic in every sense, but in the "who they vote" for sense, they are. In her book, Ms. Coulter points out that the PRI ruled Mexico for over seventy years. I also wouldn't count on other Hispanics, like let's say Puerto Ricans, to be crypto conservatives.

    As far as Asians are concerned, they are also not monolithic, but their voting record is in no way conservative. Pointing to a few prominent conservatives of Asian ancestry demonstrates nothing other than the fact that outliers exist. I wouldn't, for example, extrapolate too much about black Americans by examining the politics of Thomas Sowell or Ben Carson.

    Steve has pointed out how the KKKrazy Glue that holds the leftist coalition together is vulnerable in some respects. Nevertheless, there is a tipping point where the the number of conservative whites will decrease to such a number relative to the population as a whole that their influence in national elections will be minimal. There may still be politicians called Republicans, but they won't in any meaningful sense be conservative. I'm pretty sure we see that now. Even then, getting elected will be muy difficult. As Ann likes to say to those Republicans who argue this point with her, go to California, run as a conservative Republican and get elected governor and then we can talk.

    If that's not enough to convince you, consider why Democrats want the "undocumented" in the country. If they truly believed more illegals would help conservatives or the Republican party, they wouldn't want amnesty, sanctuary cities and the like. After all, they aren't the stupid party.

    Thorough and cogent rebuttal.

    Second, no matter what their beliefs are regarding religion and social policy, Hispanics love the social welfare state and ultimately, that dictates their votes.

    Likewise, with blacks, I believe. Said to be highly averse and even hostile to homosexuals and majority voted ‘no’ in referendum on same-sex “marriage”. Yet still voted overwhelmingly for Obama and many other candidates who have emphatically endorsed and championed said travesty in particular and “LGBTQ” deviancy and degeneracy in general.

    Some great videos can be found online of Louis Farrakhan condemning Obama for the aforesaid transgression.

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  242. Sean says:
    @J.Ross
    So they're ready to fight the last war?

    Like the Germans in 1939!

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  243. @Dissident

    Fact is, Trump’s criticism of Iraq and other Middle East involvement was one of the key things that set him apart from from the pack–and also incurred the wrath of the neocons. “#NeverTrump”
     
    That could be but there's more to the picture. During the campaign, the President also threw some pretty juicy red meat out to Invade the World tough guys and Zionist hawks. And for that very reason, there were more than a few staunch Zionists who favored him over H. (Rodham-)Clinton. This included at least some neocon types, such as David Horowitz and Norman Podhoretz (the elder Pod), as covered by our host, Mr. Sailer. It is from one of those iSteve posts that I distinctly recall that Horowitz, at least, specifically cited Trump's promise to "shred" the Iran deal.

    I many times lamented during the campaign that when it came to Invade the World, Trump was considerably weaker, less clear and less consistent than he was on Invite the World. It seemed to me (and still does) that the President could have gained considerable additional support if he would have had a clear, strong and consistent anti-war message and emphasized it. I do question, though, just how possible that would have been, given the reality that war is perhaps the one area for which it can be said more than any other that we have a Uniparty.

    Fair points. And yet, there were good reasons to believe Trump, of anyone, would change our course. Also, large swaths of Americans in both parties just seem to really be supportive of fighting “”Islamofascism””, so it is perhaps unrealistic to expect a purer antiwar campaign or administration.

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    Also, large swaths of Americans in both parties just seem to really be supportive of fighting “”Islamofascism””
     
    Many are no doubt honestly deluded and misled by the pro-war propaganda propagated by the Respectables. But I think it is rather apparent that there is also, I'm afraid, a certain percentage of the population who have a certain lust for war and would welcome any pretext to indulge it.

    Another way that it seems to me that Trump repeatedly missed a great opportunity: When charged with "racism", "Islamophobia", etc., shouldn't he have pointed-out the direct and extensive culpability of HRC, Obama and so many of the others leveling said charges, in murderous Invade the World policies that have overwhelmingly affected Muslim and Arab populations? To paraphrase a comment by Unz commenter Working Class that I recall as having been made at some point during the lead-up to the November 2016 election,

    After bombing and killing them for all these years, it turns-out Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama really love Muslims after all. Who knew?

    If only we could have leaders who could effectively assert our right, determination and readiness to do what is necessary to defend and protect ourselves, while at the same time and no less effectively convince the voting public that interventionist foreign policy is pernicious, counterproductive, self-defeating and, at least in many cases, morally untenable.

    Thanks for the reply.

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  244. Dissident says:
    @Opinionator
    Fair points. And yet, there were good reasons to believe Trump, of anyone, would change our course. Also, large swaths of Americans in both parties just seem to really be supportive of fighting ""Islamofascism"", so it is perhaps unrealistic to expect a purer antiwar campaign or administration.

    Also, large swaths of Americans in both parties just seem to really be supportive of fighting “”Islamofascism””

    Many are no doubt honestly deluded and misled by the pro-war propaganda propagated by the Respectables. But I think it is rather apparent that there is also, I’m afraid, a certain percentage of the population who have a certain lust for war and would welcome any pretext to indulge it.

    Another way that it seems to me that Trump repeatedly missed a great opportunity: When charged with “racism”, “Islamophobia”, etc., shouldn’t he have pointed-out the direct and extensive culpability of HRC, Obama and so many of the others leveling said charges, in murderous Invade the World policies that have overwhelmingly affected Muslim and Arab populations? To paraphrase a comment by Unz commenter Working Class that I recall as having been made at some point during the lead-up to the November 2016 election,

    After bombing and killing them for all these years, it turns-out Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama really love Muslims after all. Who knew?

    If only we could have leaders who could effectively assert our right, determination and readiness to do what is necessary to defend and protect ourselves, while at the same time and no less effectively convince the voting public that interventionist foreign policy is pernicious, counterproductive, self-defeating and, at least in many cases, morally untenable.

    Thanks for the reply.

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