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  1. Cao Cao says:

    The current state for the left looks like this:

    The political case against the wall is weak. The Federal Shutdown hurts Dems, not Republicans, because:
    1) When the EBT renewal doesn’t come in February, Dems are going to receive an immense amount of pressure from their constituents, who are the primary recipients thereof.
    2) The fact that tax refunds are continuing unabated triggers Libs (now calling it “illegal”), because they benefit actual tax producers rather than consumers.

    The ideological case against the wall is simply not there. We’re somewhere between “Orange Man Bad” and, “Restricting freedom of movement is immoral”, but Dems are unwilling to assume the Open Borders stance to go with it.

    The economic case against the wall isn’t there. There is a substantial literature on the amount of money we’re losing as a country because of illegal immigrants.

    All that’s left is for one President and one Senate Majority Leader to not fuck this up. As I see it, there’s no need for compromise. We’re getting a wall, it’s going to be the bill the House passed, and without even using the Senate nuclear option to boot. The question will then become: Can we hold the election in 2020 so that we can guarantee the completion of the wall’s construction?

  2. Richard S says:

    Lol, high stakes pressurised negotiating is more than just the President’s bread and butter; it’s the oxygen in his lifeblood. He *thrives* on it.

    The fact that he’s in the right AND holds all the cards just makes Nanchuck look more doddering and hapless.

  3. peterike says:

    Meh. Trump will declare his state of emergency and order the wall to be built. Some Judge will file an injunction five minutes later (no doubt there are already several half-written). It will all vanish into endless litigation. No wall is built. The End.

    Trump has a much larger opportunity here than building the wall, and that is telling the Judiciary to get stuffed. He has clear Executive authority to do whatever he wants with immigration. If he finally stands up to some podunk judge’s order and says “Sorry, we don’t have to listen to you,” and breaks their power once and for all, he will have done more to help America than building the wall. Which of course he could then build. The supreme power of the judiciary is a myth that exists only because no one has dared to challenge them.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @Ron Mexico
  4. jb says:

    I am very worried that Trump will be suckered into trading a DACA amnesty for wall funding. The problem is not the DACA amnesty itself though, the problem is giving the Democrats something they want right now in return for a promise of something that supposedly will happen in the future. If Trump gives the Democrats their amnesty then it done, and can’t be clawed back. But the Democrats will then do everything in their power to prevent the wall from ever being built.

    I would be willing though to exchange a DACA amnesty (with limitations — for example they shouldn’t get the vote or be allowed to bring in their relatives) in return for an end to chain migration and the diversity lottery. Those policies can be eliminated with the stroke of a pen, and once they are ended they will be difficult for the Democrats to reinstate, so we would also be getting something we want right now. E-Verify would also be nice, but I would be satisfied with ending chain migration and the diversity lottery. That would be a huge big deal, because it would be the first major victory for immigration restrictionists in decades. A DACA amnesty is probably inevitable, and in any case most of those people are never going home, so we should get as much as we possibly can for it in return.

    • Replies: @Travis
    , @Ed
  5. Pat Boyle says:

    This seems to me to be a non-story. The government is not closed down. Their is no danger to anyone. This is just a symbolic gesture that is only serious if you take it seriously.

    I live in Oakland a few blocks from the Hayward fault. If I lived in Oklahoma I would worry about tornadoes. In Hawaii maybe volcanoes. But living here I am concerned with earthquakes. I presume the earthquake will come and that Feds will send in the troops and engineers to repair stuff. I figure we could be without power or water for a couple weeks. If the government were really closed down then an earthquake, volcano or tornado would be worse because the remedies would be delayed.

    Is that likely?

    Not at all. With a natural catastrophe Trump would immediately declare some sort of exception and everything that could be done would be done. You know that this is true. The government has not gone missing. It’s just hiding for a little while.

  6. Thirdtwin says:

    TV clowns like Ana Navarra and Seth Meyer are really going to screw it up for the Dems. And Jim Acosta appearing at a section of the border where there is a wall, and noting a lack of crisis there, is not going to help them, either.

  7. Tiny Duck says:

    1. white privilege is being talked about every day and actions are being promoted. Even OLD white men are calling out other whites for their perfidy https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/01/10/dallas-sportscaster-dale-hansen-targets-covert-racism-nfl-owners-over-coaching-hires/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0922456355bb

    2. racism is being smacked down and white men are feeling a little bit of push back for their perfidy https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/us/new-york-meteorologist-racial-slur/index.html

    3. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has white men running scared and outsmarts them at every turn. She is a great dancer and makes conservatives angry at her joy

    4. Kamala Harris is going to be the next president https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/424674-kamala-harris-to-enter-presidential-race-on-or-around-mlk-day-report

    Trump is being stymied at every turn. He WILL be impeached.

    Face it you guys lost. white supremacy is the evil of out time and will be dealt with no matter how much perfidy you guys use.

  8. JimB says:

    The shutdown mainly hurts Democrat constituents. It’s dumb for Trump to settle for $5 billion in chump change to build dormitories for refugees who will inevitably be admitted to the US. He needs to declare a national emergency, use the Army Corps of Engineers and Israeli contractors to build a complete wall in 18 months, cost be damned, and move the goalposts to drastic immigration reduction as the condition for opening government.

  9. Coulter pierced Donald’s fog, simple as that. Not getting the border done carries more negative weight than Read My Lips No New Taxes ever did. He’ll have to stick with this project in one way or another, and there are enough creative ways that do not involve Democrats (or Republocrats) so that it really would be surprising were he not to land on one that works. Or he’s done.

    • Agree: Bubba
  10. vinteuil says:

    Greetings from Rome.

    I’m thinking maybe Matteo Salvini *gets it* all, in a way that Trump never could.

    Fingers crossed.

  11. Alfa158 says:

    The workers who aren’t getting paid will get all their back pay after the shutdown. The ones who are told not to go in to work are getting time off that they will be paid for anyway, so they are in good shape. If anyone can’t get by when missing a couple of paychecks then they are not handling their finances properly. NO ONE working for the Federal government is being underpaid for their skills or work, so if they are in pain it is because of their own negligence and profligacy.
    The only potential safety related problem I have seen so far is that apparently a few TSA granny-friskers are defying orders and refusing to go in to work. That just means the TSA can skip a few “random” X-ray deep searches to take up the slack, and it won’t really affect safety or waiting lines.
    Trump needs to keep the squeeze on. The government workers will be squealing to Congress to cough up the $5B. If it is true that the EBT is going to stop flowing that will definitely force the deal. Trump benefits by forcing the Uniparty to give him a win on this issue, and by making it clear to the voters that the Dems really are for open borders.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Mr. Anon
  12. Alfa158 says:
    @vinteuil

    I’m hoping he does and that he is able to enact his program. If that happens then, the way the US is going, I may just have to “de-emigrate” and return to La Patria.

  13. Wency says:
    @vinteuil

    Please elaborate. I think just about everybody wishes Trump could have risen to the occasion more. What is Salvini doing/saying to inspire confidence?

  14. Barnard says:

    If the wall doesn’t happen now, it doesn’t help the long term prospects for sensible immigration policy that this is most likely Steve King’s last term in Congress. It will be a loss, but King made several unforced errors in the last couple of years that gave his opponents ammo against him. Hopefully some younger and more astute immigration patriots will run for Congress and get elected. King’s primary opponent, who is likely to beat him, will be another Republican out of the Ben Sasse mold.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us/politics/steve-king-trump-immigration-wall.html

  15. @Pat Boyle

    Some of us laugh a little and partly think that this is a good way to demonstrate how non-essential most of our federal government is, while our empathetic side recognizes that thousands of people have now had their incomes cut off.

    So, why not just put them on welfare and start mailing them those government checks that have a picture of the Statue of Liberty on them? “Send me your tired, your poor, your wretched government employees…”

  16. If the GOP was really behind Trump and the people who voted for him, they would take out full page ads online, in print and on billboards with the faces of Pelosi, Schumer, Obama et. al. with their face and a direct quote from when they supported border security and warned about illegal immigration.Repeat this often. The Right is starting to bend left on this problem and will see the consequences if they don’t convince the voters they they are correct.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  17. istevefan says:

    Now that we are here, Trump needs to stay in shutdown mode. His position only gets stronger the longer this shutdown goes on. The democrats need government more than the republicans. Just wait until the EBT cards are not reloaded at the end of the month. Let the democrats explain to their base that keeping the border open is more important then they are.

    Backing down or compromising won’t get him any favor with the opposition. They will still hate him. They will still want to impeach him. If he didn’t get any favor for breaking the Iran Deal, moving the embassy to Jerusalem or now for criminal justice reform, he sure isn’t going to get any favor for caving on the wall.

    Caving will crater his base. The media and democrats know this. They know Trump will probably get reelected if he can deliver something tangible on the border wall. That is why they will fight to the death to prevent him from getting it.

    But the democrat base will have a harder time surviving the extended shutdown. Soon the pressure will be on the democrats, if it is not already, to give Trump his measly $5 billion in funding.

    • Agree: Anonym, Hail, TTSSYF, RVBlake
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Hail
  18. Trump’s strategy is to drum up publicity over the border wall stalemate. Build public and media awareness that Democrats refuse to compromise and refuse to support any type of border wall or immigration limits. Then Trump will make some type of end run around Congress, and use some executive power to build the wall without Congressional support. Obama enacted DACA without Congress, and it still isn’t an actual law of any kind. Trump will remind people of that and ultimately get away with building a wall, which is less of an executive over-reach.

    This is the best t-shirt on the Internet: https://www.zazzle.com/trump_the_wall_is_coming_t_shirt-235666818746343883
    (change the shirt’s base color to black. The default teal looks ridiculous)

  19. What most people are missing:

    Shutting down the government looks bad and is always unpopular.

    The Democrats found that out the hard way shutting the government down for 3 days for illegal aliens (DACA). Even many people who support DACA were angry about the shutdown.

    Even some people who support the wall are against the shutdown.

    A long shutdown did not help Newt Gingrich. Nor will akg shutdown help Trump.

  20. @Pat Boyle

    If I lived in Oakland, CA earthquakes would be the least of my worries. Know what I’m sayin’?

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
  21. Flip says:

    Why did he not push for the wall when the Republicans controlled the House? I’d rather see E-Verify and national ID cards with citizenship/residency status.

  22. Lot says:
    @Alfa158

    Lately TSA has been less aggro.

    Sometimes they waive the no shoe rule, increasingly they go back to the old metal detectors during busy times instead of the new body scanners. Last 10 flights I was sent to the old metal detector maybe 3 times.

    So if during the low travel winter season 20-30% no-show, they can avoid lines this way.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @rufus
  23. Lot says:
    @istevefan

    Agree.

    EBT will be funded through the end if February though. Probably California will fund it with state dollars, tax revenue is booming.

    The older “government cheese” program that sends basic mostly canned and boxed foods to certain poor, elderly, and remote Indian tribes will run out this month however.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  24. Doug says:

    What Trump should do is publicly tie the border wall to some pet left-wing cause. Preferably something that almost exclusively benefits Black Americans. Say clean water for Flint. He says for every dollar allocated to the wall, he’ll sign off on *two* dollars for Flint. It’s all a rounding error in the federal budget anyway.

    If the Democrats refuse they start to look unreasonably stubborn. The only way they can possibly defend refusing the offer is by saying the border wall is inherently immoral regardless of the cost. At the point, their base is going to start getting pretty restless. It’s going to look like Congressional Democrats value migrants from Central America, more than they do native-born black Americans who’ve been their most loyal base for a long time. That’s going to be pretty hard to defend when the primary debates roll around in six months.

  25. Asdf says:

    Trump simply continuing to raise the one subject your not supposed to. Any other republican would have comprimised a long time ago.

  26. I just saw that Los Angeles public schools are less than 10 percent White. Let us say that European Christians make up half of that “White” figure. I think that is 5 percent White.

    The public school government workers in Los Angeles want to go out on strike to get more loot.

    Why not just fire every one of them and take away any benefits they expect to get in the future?

    Unlike Randy Newman, I don’t love LA, and I ain’t ever been within a thousand miles of the place.

    This guy is reading Steve Sailer:

    • Replies: @donut
  27. Trevor H. says:

    Speaking of walls. More white Americans are killed each year by blacks than Israelis killed by Palestinians in the entirety of Israel’s history. Where is the protection for us? Instead we pay for theirs.

    https://nypost.com/2019/01/10/israel-opens-segregated-highway-dubbed-apartheid-road/

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  28. vinteuil says:

    “The Democrats found that out the hard way shutting the government down for 3 days for illegal aliens (DACA). Even many people who support DACA were angry about the shutdown.”

    wtf are you talking about, dude?

  29. istevefan says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Shutting down the government looks bad and is always unpopular.

    Your assumption is not correct. A shutdown is not viewed as bad by all people or even a clear majority.

    Also, from a neutral point of view it appears the democrats are the ones causing the shutdown. Trump and the GOP are ready to sign off if there is $5 billion for the wall. That amount compared to the entire budget is not even a material amount. Our budget is in the neighborhood of $4 trillion. The funds requested by Trump are about 0.125% of that.

    So it is the democrats who look foolish. They are holding up the government over what amounts to a rounding error of the entire budget. Whereas Trump and the GOP are standing for a policy that, A) they campaigned on and thus gave voters a chance to support, and B) there is clearly a need given the flow of people and drugs coming across that border.

    A neutral observer would most certainly conclude the democrats are the ones being ridiculous on this matter.

    • Replies: @bucky
  30. @Doug

    Maybe, but too many feel no wall will po whitey enough to not care about harm to themselves.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  31. @vinteuil

    The way in which Salvini sees — and uses right away – every opportunity to attack Macron for example full frontal – since months – is fascinating.

    Salvini even saw the Yellow Vests coming while tweeting in summer: The real enemy of Macron would not be Salvini, as Macron had boasted, but: The French population! – – – That stuck! And hurts!

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  32. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It would be good to get the federal government to stop issuing checks with the statue of liberty on them. The statue of liberty does not, and ought not, represent the United States.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  33. Stick says:

    Shutting down government for Americans is good. Shutting down government for illegals is bad. Let it fester for a while. Pretty sure the above works for Trump not Nanzi and Chuckie.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  34. Mr. Anon says:
    @Alfa158

    Those TSA workers who call in sick because of the fulough should be fired. If you work for the federal government and your work is deemed essential then you go to work during a furlough; those are the conditions of employment. If they don’t like it – screw ’em – they can quit.

    Of course, it’s not as if the TSA is really essential anyway. Needless to say, my heart does not bleed for the blue-shirt goons.

  35. @Paleo Liberal

    All that matters is the base. Trump’s base supports the shutdown (finally). If Trump doesn’t win on this funding, he’s going to lose in 2020. It is what it is.

  36. bucky says:

    Trump himself said that he would take all credit for the shutdown. So the shutdown belongs to him. Schumer had a huge rascally grin on his face when Trump said this because Schumer is smarter than Trump at this.

    The Dems will win this one because the person asking for a change in the status quo is Trump. The media is right here: if Trump really wanted the wall, he would bargain for it. That is how things work. Since he’s just doing this grandstanding, this is indeed a manufactured crisis by Trump and is political theater.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  37. Since Pelosi-Schumer won’t agree to the current, rather pathetic, request for $5 billion, why not present a better “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”(TM) package? Go big or go home.

    I’m trying to start a twitter hashtag for a “Sinai-Jordan Covenant.” #SinaiJordanCovenant

    An incredibly simple and hard-to-criticize program is captured in three words that ring with Biblical sanctity and inevitability.

    Build across the US-Mexican border precisely the same barrier that Israel has built in the Sinai for the express purpose of keeping out economic migrants (Netanyahu calls them “interlopers”) from Africa coming through Egypt. Take care to distinguish the Sinai barrier from the barriers put around Gaza and the West Bank, which were built solely to stop terrorism and thus are not nearly as applicable to the US-Mexico situation. Based on the per-mile cost to Israel thus far, this would come in at around DJT’s original $25 billion asking price. It would also completely cut off the nonsense about such a barrier being “immoral.” The DC consensus does not believe anything Israel does can be immoral.

    Enact precisely the immigration legislation proposed by the great Barbara Jordan just before her tragically early death circa 1996. Jordan articulated better than anyone the need to help our lower-earning fellow citizens by restricting immigration. She proposed cutting _legal_ immigration to about half a million, sharply restricting chain migration, and aggressively enforcing the law against _employers_ of illegal aliens. As Jordan was an African-American woman (and possibly gay), all of the brain-dead smears about racism, sexism, etc. would be rendered mute.

    Sinai. Jordan. Together as one Covenant with the American people.

    #SinaiJordanCovenant

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  38. bucky says:
    @istevefan

    This is really not the way that life works. This is like asking, “why don’t teachers work for no pay because they love the students so much.” Trump is pushing for a change in the status quo. This means that it is on him.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  39. @Dieter Kief

    Matteo Salvini has damn good instincts and brains, and he’ll borrow and utilize political tactics and strategies from any source.

    It is my opinion that the various and assorted ruling classes of European Christian nations have been increasingly censoring the internet to prevent good ideas and political tactics from being spread rapidly amongst patriotic parties and individuals.

    Populism is the desire by patriotic citizens to replace their ruling class with a new ruling class that advances and protects the interests of the citizenry and the nation as a whole.

    Salvini called Macron a mouse!

    Trump said the FAKE NEWS media is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American people.

    Salvini says:

    “Macron is not a problem for me, Macron is a problem for the French people.”

  40. Just saw an AP video on the ‘Net. Ranchers and other interests (environmental, a RC church parish) situated at or near the banks of the Ree-oh Gran-day are up in arms for fear of losing their property to Uncle Sap in accordance with the so-called “Takings Clause” of the US Constitution (a/k/a “eminent domain”). Am counting the days before the federal law suits/injunctions etc begin to get filed. Bet the farm (ranch?) that the wall ain’t happenin’ anytime soon. As suggested elsewhere, this wall thing is at least a full generation too late.

    • Replies: @donut
  41. Trump might lay the groundworks for his next campaign: The Democrats blocked the wall – let’s try again!

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @fish
  42. I have said several times in the past that if Congress tries to obstruct Trump, he should simply dissolve it and announce his intention to govern without Congress. Now it appears as if he is giving it a go. This shutdown could last for months, maybe years. No matter what happens, it’s clear that the Constitution has been de facto abrogated and Congress will never be relevant in the same way again. From now on, we will only have Caesars and an oligarchical senate. The imperial age has begun.

    Another important story in the news recently is the personal and financial turmoil in the life of Jeff Bezos. Although nobody has mentioned it, the end of Amazon’s days as a high-flying FAANG stock valued at 117 times forward earnings cannot be far behind. This was inevitable. The fraudulent nature of its whole business model was bound to be exposed and fall apart eventually.

    This is a good time to reflect on what it means for a private individual to amass $150 billion in paper wealth. Where did that money come from, and where will it go? The first part is easy to answer. It was extracted from the productive economy by means of financial repression (beating down wages, taking advantage of ZIRP lending, arranging sweetheart deals with government regulators) and by depreciating and liquidating the nation’s capital base (infrastructure, retailers, the USPS). Amazon was from the beginning a zombie company that was entirely catabolic with respect to the economy as a whole, existing by feeding on the value stored up in the design margin of that which was built before it.

    Where the money will go is very interesting to ponder. The answer is that it will go nowhere. Most of that notional wealth will simply evaporate in a great revaluation once the music stops, and the country will be forced to save (i.e. under-consume) in order to rebuild the design margin that was used up, or simply get used to a lower standard of living. But that is the very nature of catabolic companies, depreciation engines, and entropy eaters: They destroy value and leave behind nothing in their wake but exhaustion and devastation.

    In the long view of history, the fall of Amazon will seem completely logical and preordained, while its rise will be just another example of the endless, timeless pageantry of the fools.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  43. fish says:
    @Dieter Kief

    The Democrats blocked the wall – let’s try again!

    Yeah…I imagine things will be a little more “Third Worldy” by November 2020!

    Sounds like a winner!

  44. @Lot

    If you fly regularly definitely get the TSA-pre thing done. Or the more encompassing globo-entry.

    Since AnotherMom decamped us to Florida our flying frequency has gone up. Going in and out of Orlando i’m happy not to be in the standard line. And since i–unfortunately unlike a huge number of people who don’t seem to understand the concept of “packed”–have my gear properly packed, i toss my bag and pack on the conveyor, stroll on through the old-style metal dectector and am out, no muss, no fuss.

    (Of course, your TSA-pre won’t get approved until after the shutdown, but the Wall will be worth it.)

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @donut
  45. Rapparee says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Some of us laugh a little and partly think that this is a good way to demonstrate how non-essential most of our federal government is, while our empathetic side recognizes that thousands of people have now had their incomes cut off.

    Agreed. I feel badly for people who are out of a paycheck (including a relative of mine), but for the most part, these stalemates just interrupt the Feds doling out money they probably should never have been spending in the first place.

    I don’t expect the Wall to prove a cure-all, but the bottom line is that if the Federal government can’t bother to protect the territorial integrity of the United States, there’s no good reason for it to exist at all. If Congress won’t demonstrate some kind of committment on this issue, we might as well let Washington wither and split up into fifty independent republics. It’d be a nasty mess, but better than letting DC continue to spread foul mischief at our expense while we get nothing of value in return.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  46. istevefan says:
    @Doug

    What Trump should do is publicly tie the border wall to some pet left-wing cause.

    How about tying it to Israeli aid?

    • Replies: @rufus
    , @Lot
    , @Detective Club
    , @donut
  47. George says:

    GEORGE SOROS HIRED ME AS A PAID PROTESTER, BUT I’M STILL WAITING FOR MY MONEY
    https://shadowproof.com/2018/10/09/still-waiting-paid-by-george-soros-for-protest-trump/

    I WAS A PROFESSIONAL ANARCHIST PAID BY SUPER-RICH LIBERAL GEORGE SOROS TO BRING TRUMP DOWN
    https://shadowproof.com/2017/02/25/professional-anarchist-soros-trump/

    HERE IS THE NDA THAT GEORGE SOROS FORCED PROFESSIONAL ANARCHIST TO SIGN
    https://shadowproof.com/2017/08/17/nda-george-soros-forced-professional-anarchist-sign/

  48. “Open thread” is so much less appealing a title than the synonymous “Irish pennant”:

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    , @donut
  49. Trump should’ve done this when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It would’ve been a lot easier to get the funding then. The fact that he’s doing it now when he knows the Dems will never agree to it makes me think he’s never had intention of following through on his campaign promises. The Dems will never agree to fund the wall. They know that the media is 99% on their side and will turn public opinion against Trump the longer the shutdown goes on and he’ll cave. He always does. I’ve grown pretty disillusioned with the guy. I think he’s greatest achievement will be getting the eltites to admit what they have planned for America, not that it’s going to make any difference now that. I’m not trolling, just sick of the whole sideshow.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @MBlanc46
  50. rufus says:
    @Lot

    I would of cavity searched you tbh….

  51. @Buzz Mohawk

    A genuine Jonathan told me that the common and annoying misspelling “Jonathon” led him to reply, “I’m not the race”.

    I’m not sure what “Johnathan” implies, but “Johnathon” sounds like a long, long time on the toilet.

    Jonathan’s John-a-thon might be a good commercial for a laxative. The alimentary opposite of “Mamma mia, atsa some spicy meatball-a!”

  52. rufus says:
    @istevefan

    Nice try son…

    – AIPAC Internet Outreach

  53. Bummer we can’t keep the shutdown AND get the wall.

  54. If this shutdown goes on any longer, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will be forced to star in a porno entitled “The Tippy-Top.”

    • Replies: @donut
  55. Anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle

    This is just a symbolic gesture that is only serious if you take it seriously.

    So it is like the Wizard of Oz? Or Silicon Valley?

    By Kieren McCarthy, a guy who blew a fuse when a Google worker emitted an unwoke internal memorandum:

    Two out of five Silicon Valley techies complain Trump’s H-1B crackdown has hit ’em hard

    The company that was [according to a low-effort questionnaire] statistically most impacted was eBay with 55.4 per cent of respondents answering Yes. At the bottom was Google with 28.8 per cent answering Yes – quite possibly thanks to Google’s large number of subsidiaries in other countries.

    Tech companies have tried repeatedly, but largely unsuccessfully, to get the Trump Administration to draw a distinction between the issue of illegal immigration – something that is currently resulting in a government shutdown – and the hiring of talented workers from across the globe to boost American companies.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  56. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    I fly a lot, but here, San Jose, and midwest airport near my parents the regular security line rarely is more than 7 minutes.

    My patience for waiting in lines anyway has gone up a lot since smartphones. Maybe the USSR would have lasted longer if people could have been instagramming for hours in the breadline.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  57. @Reg Cæsar

    Irish pennants were a great way to lose free time in the Marine Corps. But that was then.

  58. Lot says:
    @istevefan

    That would be a great way to advance the career of Mike Pence.

  59. Anon7 says:

    In order: Wall, Trump, Shutdown, Politics

    Wall – yes, we need funding for physical barriers, fences, walls, as needed. No, no one ever thought Mexico would write a check for the Wall. Yes, we can easily “get Mexico to pay for it” by trade deals (um, Congress?), a tax on remittances (um, Congress?) etc. Yes, every Congress in our history has voted money for physical border security, passport control, etc.

    Trump – he didn’t look very high energy, but he did look focused and determined. (Nancy and Chuck – did a mortician do your makeup?) For the good of our country, Mr. Trump, please stand firm.

    Shutdown – The longer the shutdown continues, the better. I suggest that everyone who is not getting a paycheck should try the private sector for employment (this could last for a year, according to the President!). You might like it better. You could start your own business. Endless possibilities!

    Politics – as usual. Both parties (but not the President, or most Americans) are fine with immigration just the way it is, because it is working fine for their benefactors. Cheap labor (GOP) and new voters (Dems) – broken immigration has been forged over decades by both sides and is baked into our social reality. There isn’t a chance in hell of fixing it, unless Donald J. Trump is a Jesus-level miracle worker.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
  60. @istevefan

    The US is an “idea nation.” Israel is The Homeland for the Jews. America is a whore who takes dubious credit cards from afflicted johns, suffering from various forms of virulent VD. Israel is a small Chinese take-out place that will only accept hard cash on counter for the Kung Po Chicken luncheon special (shrimp fried rice is $1.00 extra and you need a microscope to see the shrimp).

  61. Stick says:

    How about Israel funding the wall? We seem to fund theirs.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  62. @Rapparee

    I don’t expect the Wall to prove a cure-all…

    Yes. Indeed it would not be. It’s just basic crowd control and should already be there.

    Think about football games, stadiums, big places and events that attract a lot of people. Experts plan and place barriers of various kinds in strategic places — to manipulate the flow of people. Those physical devices are never expected to do the whole job; what they do is guide humans in the directions you want them to go, or delay them when they try to go somewhere else. You have time to apprehend them when they stray.

    Furthermore, $5 billion or whatever is a drop in the bucket of federal spending. It is nothing. There is no honest reason not to just let The Department Of Sillyland Home Protection Monitor Security™ (or whatever it is called now) have a few bucks for their erections. In the good old USA, no one would ever have interfered with a proper erection.

  63. @Doug

    Doug, Remember this great quote…”All politics are local.” Blacks in Buffalo or Cleveland don’t really care about water in Flint, Mich.

  64. @peterike

    The media no doubt is already rehearsing its ritual incantation of “Constitoootional Crisis!”

    • Replies: @Pericles
  65. @Tiny Duck

    “She is a great dancer and makes conservatives angry at her joy”

    Tiny Dick, that is one of funniest things you’ve ever written (and that’s saying something).

    • Replies: @fish
  66. @Mr. Anon

    Sadly, the statue, Liberty Enlightening the World (La Liberté éclairant le monde) has become our own giant piece of haute Français kitsch, a lawn jockey in our front yard, to which interlopers have assigned their own self-serving meaning.

    Come On In!

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  67. Rosie says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Maybe, but too many feel no wall will po whitey enough to not care about harm to themselves.

    That would be very revealing, wouldn’t it?

  68. @Flip

    Why did he not push for the wall when the Republicans controlled the House? I’d rather see E-Verify and national ID cards with citizenship/residency status.

    These are great questions! We have had Trump for two years now, so when did this thing become an emergency? Why have he and his party not spent the last two years enacting comprehensive immigration reform, changing treaty agreements on acceptance of refugees, and so on, if that is what they believe is necessary?

    I voted for Trump since he seemed to be running somewhat to the left of Hillary Clinton and was promising medical insurance reform to replace Obamacare, which seemed ludicrous to me–forcing working families and retirees with young dependents to spend hundreds of dollars per month for insurance that provided some measure of bankruptcy protection, but no health care.

    The medical insurance reform has gone nowhere.

    A businessman could be an effective president if he appoints wise people to advise him, and obtains the best possible information to make executive decisions.

    So I was pretty shaken early in the Presidency when I learned that Trump was an avid viewer of Fox News, and picking up ideas from Fox News stories, while simultaneously complaining of fake news. I had expected him to be using his access to real data, not tabloid news.

    Before the election, when Trump spoke of fake news I assumed that he was extremely media savvy and knowledgeable about the news-making process, and that he wasn’t going to give someone like tabloid king Rupert Murdoch any kind of opportunity to input ideas on how to govern the US.

    I was even more shaken when I heard recently that Trump had allegedly been influenced by something said by the ludicrous Rush Limbaugh.

    He also ran on the wall for the southern border. Personally I am agnostic about the wall, but I am prepared to accept that government should work towards providing whatever the relevant law enforcement agencies think they need to prevent illegal activities along the border, whether people smuggling, drug smuggling, or crime gang activity. However, this does not seem like something to close down the government over. The problem is nothing new.

    Frankly it seems to me that the early signs of dementia that were suspected early in Trump’s term of office are starting to become harder to hide, and to a large extent he has limited awareness of what is going on, but is very good at confabulating (giving the impression that he knows what’s up) enough to fool some of the people some of the time, but perhaps not those closest to him.

  69. Pat Boyle says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I don’t think you know much about Oakland. Contrary to wide spread opinion Oakland is not a black city getting more black every day. Oakland is in fact getting more white, Some call this gentrification.

    The city is now made up of three groups in equal proportions: whites, blacks and Hispanics. Each group dwells at a different altitude. Whites at the top on the mountain tops. Hispanics in the middles and blacks down near the Bay level. I for example live at 1,000 feet. My modest little house has appreciated to over a million dollars. It is one of the least expensive houses in my all white crime free neighborhood.

    We have recently gotten some East Asians but the proportion of blacks has been dropping. The dividing line is Highway 13. This freeway is also the Hayward fault. It is sort of Trump’s wall. There is a good deal of crime in the black districts but almost none higher up. I built a tall redwood fence around my property. It’s not for people it’s for deer. You can walk from my house through the woods for twenty miles or more and seldom see another house. We border on a huge state park system. Lots of deer, raccoons, and wild turkeys. The City has posted warning notices to beware of the cougars in my back yard. This is not an inner city urban ghetto. I have a half dozen or so redwoods.

    I moved to California in the sixties. There are less than half as many blacks in San Francisco today as there were when when I came from the East. Then thirty years ago I bought a house in the Oakland hills. The real estate values have soared and the black population has diminished. We have lousy government of course but great weather.

    .

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Whiskey
    , @Pericles
  70. The shutdown will likely piss off govt. workers who are Trump voters, but that Venn diagram overlap is fairly small (at least, I would imagine). The real effects of this will be on how hard the House Reps are hit (especially the new ones) by impacts in their local districts. Since there’s no method of federal recall of Congress members however, this could drag on for quite some time (are Dems will cede control of the House to Repubs in exchange for the Presidency? Possibly).

    How much this reflects on Trump remains to be seen. Worst case scenario is that enough Republicans cave in both the House and Senate to not only pass a bill without wall funding, but override a presidential veto. Realistically, the Dems may hold out for as long as they can to try to make the wall a Pyrrhic victory for Trump—it’s then up to Trump to handle the aftermath of a long shutdown. If he handles it well, it’s a win; if he doesn’t, well, at least we’ll have a wall.

  71. Dr. X says:

    The Democrats can’t — and won’t — cave on the wall. The wall is an existential threat to their future, which depends entirely on “the browning of America.”

    If there is no wall, the next Democratic administration can merely order ICE to stand down, just like Obama did. They will tacitly or openly invite as many illegals to come as possible, and will grant amnesty to all of them, flipping Texas and Florida blue and winning every presidential election for the next fifty years. But if the wall is in place, it will provide a physical barrier to entry, and the next Democrat administration can’t very well tell ICE to tear it down or open holes in it.

    If Trump caves, he is finished, the Republican Party is finished, and America is finished. The Democrats sink the 8-ball.

    My guess is that either Trump partially caves, or the judiciary steps in on the side of the Democrats. (I hope I’m wrong.)

    But the wall is only a partial solution to this problem. There is one other issue almost no one is talking about: restricting legal immigration, and the lack of monitoring of people who overstay temporary visas. The future of the U.S. hangs in the balance here. I certainly hope that Trump prevails, but the odds are not overwhelming that he will.

  72. MarkinLA says:
    @bucky

    People are sick of “bargains” on the immigration issue. People are still waiting for the government to keep it’s end of the 1986 bargain.

    • Replies: @bucky
  73. @Intelligent Dasein

    Mr Bezos is worth hundreds of billions, and is divorcing his 48 year old wife to be with a 49 year old.

    Not since Charles binned Diana (the #1 female icon in the world at the time, way beyond a Beyonce or Taylor Swift) for Camilla has such a baffling decision been taken.

    Truly there’s nowt as queer as folk.

  74. @Reg Cæsar

    A genuine Jonathan told me that the common and annoying misspelling “Jonathon” led him to reply, “I’m not the race”.

    I’m not sure what “Johnathan” implies, but “Johnathon” sounds like a long, long time on the toilet.

    Considering that I have an old, traditional, and Biblical name, one used by many famous people such as Jonathan Swift or Jonathan Franzen it amazes me how few people can spell it correctly. I don’t think there was ever a problem in the first 35 years of my life, but after I came to the US, my name became unspellable.

    I tried telling people “same as in the Bible”, but this did not work either, and I soon discovered that for all the popular praise for the Bible as a good book and an inerrant source of information, there are very few people who have actually read it employed in clerical tasks such as correctly recording names on utility accounts.

    One possible factor is that in the US one comes across Spanish, Dutch, and German variations on the spelling. One of the Spanish versions is Jhonattan, which looks dyslexic to the English eye.

  75. The diversity visa is there to get some whites in the country. Almost any white country, including Luxemburg, can send 5000 people a year on the diversity visa. Both Russia and Ukraine are in top 7 for the number of DV. Previously, the list was topped by Ireland, Poland, Bulgaria, Albania. Conversely, Mexico, India, China, almost all South American countries, Carribean islands, Central American shitholes do not qualify for DV.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  76. @Tiny Duck

    Trump is being stymied at every turn. He WILL be impeached.

    The House may vote for impeachment, but it would just be a dog and pony show. Reason: Convicting the president and removing him from office would require a two-thirds supermajority in the Senate, where the Republicans have 53 of the 100 seats.

  77. MarkinLA says:
    @Jean Ralphio

    Trump never did push for it. it was only because of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbagh that he grew a spine. He was already tweeting his folding message out when he was attacked. He was tweeting some nonsense to the effect: “We’ll get it done one way or another” which was an obvious signal he was about to sign the bill.

  78. MarkinLA says:

    Trump should tie border wall funding to ending the carried interest deduction that mostly benefit hedge fund managers. Use that money that the IRS would collect to build the wall. I bet it is far more than 5 billion a year. If hedge fund managers had to pay the 36% federal tax on wage income instead of the 14% capital gains that is passed through to them, it would be a lot of money.

    • Replies: @gman
  79. @Cao Cao

    ” … EBT renewal doesn’t come in February, Dems … who are the primary recipients thereof …”

    I’d be willing to bet that more than half of Trump’s white working class constituents are on the EBT program. If Trump is politically savvy — and so far, no real evidence of that as the D.C. mafia continue their destruction of him unabated — he’ll find a way to work with the Dem goons to fund EBT in February and beyond while fighting for his wall. Food stamps are not popular with libertarian religionists and small guvment types. But their voices are dying. Market fundamentalism is fading fast in the era of late-stage capitalism.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Precious
    , @ben tillman
  80. Bubba says:
    @Lot

    When the EBT cards are not funded I imagine the “Chocolate Cities” will immediately turn far more murderous than they are now.

  81. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Pat Boyle

    I apologize for this. Can’t resist.

    Hollywood also has problems with cougars in backyards.

    Courtney Cox, Jennifer Anniston, Charlize Theron.

    • Replies: @Lot
  82. @YetAnotherAnon

    Not really. Diana was beautiful but also a needy headcase who had nothing in common with Charles. They had no shared interests other than their children. And Bezos is unlikely to commit to marrying anyone else any time soon.

  83. @Anon7

    If you work for a private company with a lot of government contracts, you are going to be pretty screwed.

  84. sugeo says:
    @vinteuil

    Oh no, Salvini is building a wall around Italy? How is that going to work?

    Do you realize that, save for three Africans, who get fed by old nuns, every other migrant is in their way to France, then UK?

    You have bigger problems that whatever Salvini is focused on. Look at how Italy is switching places with Spain, in nearly any field.

  85. bucky says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You could even argue that his white-stock wife is…more attractive…than this random Latina he’s gotten familiar with?

    It’s really sad seeing people age and become pigs, breaking vows, whoring around. Al Gore did something similar, and this is after Tipper Gore had led family values crusades in the 80’s.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  86. bucky says:
    @MarkinLA

    Then they don’t have to bargain for DACA. They could bargain for something else that is near and dear. For instance: those tax cuts that Trump passed have resulted in a large funding shortfall. How come the plutocrat stuff never gets bargained for?

  87. @Randy the Auditor

    Don’t count on Repug support for Trump. Most of them want to be free of the Orange One and return to their country club ways, with good scout Romney as their standard bearer. But the joke is on them: the grand old party is dust. The big money they count on to fund their emptiness no longer exists. The Democratic Party is now the political base for the deep state, shadow government, and the billionaire class. Actually, the joke is on me.

    • Agree: fish
  88. @Buzz Mohawk

    Home of the worst hamburgers in Burbank.

  89. You could even argue that his white-stock wife is…more attractive…than this random Latina he’s gotten familiar with?

    Maybe Warren Buffett will sweep her off her feet.

  90. Hail says: • Website
    @istevefan

    Caving will crater his base.

    Would the Jared Kushner Compromise count as caving?

    Under Kushner’s deal, Trump gets:
    – $5.7 billion for wall
    – No asylum reform (no Flores, no TVPRA)
    – No E-Verify
    – No more detention space
    – No end to sanctuaries

    And in exchange:
    – Amnesty for DACA
    – Amnesty for TPS immigrants
    – H-2B cheap labor increase

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @istevefan
    , @Lot
  91. Travis says:
    @jb

    Any compromise to grant residency for the dreamers must eliminate the diversity lottery and impose a significant fine on the dreamers. Eliminating the diversity lottery is actually much more important than the wall. charge $8,000 for DACA applications and increase the Visa application fees and increase the Greencard fee to $7,400.

    This will generate the Billions required to construct a wall and the increased fees. An application fee of $2,500 for dreamers and a fine of $5,000 would raise $7 Billion. Increasing the green car fees from the current $1,400 to $7,400 would raise an additional $5 billion per year.

    Back in 1998 when my wife applied for her green car it cost $1,200. Why has the fee remained the same for 21 years ? Everything else costs much more. Also in 1998 my wife was forced to pay a fine for over-staying her visa…the fine was $1,000 back in 1998 and is still $1,000.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  92. Hail says: • Website

    Julian von Abele is pressuring Trump from the right on Wall:

    Julian von Abele @VonAbele
    5 hours ago

    No fence! We need a BIG CONCRETE SOLID WALL to keep America safe! Tell Trump not to give in and build a BIG SOLID, AMERICAN WALL!

    After action report of the media machine’s life-destruction attempt of the New York-based undesirable bearing theinitials JvA and born in 1997, hereinafter referred to as JvA1997-1; Executive summary:

    “Destruction attempt against target JvA1997-1 failed; Has boomeranged.”

    • Replies: @istevefan
  93. gman says:
    @MarkinLA

    Too bad he keeps stuffing his cabinet with Goldman Sachs bankers

  94. Ed says:
    @jb

    I wasn’t worried but annoyed when reports came out that Graham was working on a deal to exchange wall for DACA, TPS, Hb2.

    However today Graham threw up his hands in frustration saying,”he’s done”, lol. So much for that.

    Pence came out a few hours ago and said no wall money, no gov’t.

  95. Trump should grab all that fat federal government loot that is being stolen by Puerto Rico and California and use those precious funds to build a cement wall and a fencing system and some barriers and assorted obstacles and those triangular cement tank stoppers on the border between the United States and Mexico.

    Cut Puerto Rico loose now!

    The United States should cut all ties with Puerto Rico — effective immediately!

    California must be financially crushed and de-populated so it is once again suitable for White Core Americans to enjoy Affordable Family Formation.

    • Replies: @Hail
  96. @YetAnotherAnon

    Mr Bezos is worth hundreds of billions, and is divorcing his 48 year old wife to be with a 49 year old.

    Read the story this morning and that struck me too. Crazy.

    Note: i’m your classic provider beta. Met AnotherMom in grad school, been married 30+ and expect to run out the clock with her doing the grandparent thing.

    But holy cow. If my marriage is on the rocks and i’m the richest guy in the world, i’m not writing pathetic swooning you-are-my-everything style notes to some 50-ish married gal whose got three kids from a couple different guys. If he’s grabbing up some curvy ripe 25 year old Amazonian, he plans to bang out four more kids with–with a rock solid pre-nup in place … ok, i get the biological imperative to spread your genes. But swooning like a 14 year old virgin over a well used menopausal 5o year old?

    Some guys truly are pathetic. Bezos is an embarassment to penis people everywhere.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Precious
    , @Rosie
  97. rufus says:
    @Lot

    okay guys, this is not 4 chan, and ya I know they cucked, but its not 8 chan either

  98. fish says:
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Ohs Tinys…..

    Why you be looking at wimminz? Oh yeah…..never minds

    Lenderf “lookin foward to plugging dat Tiny hole” Pittys

  99. istevefan says:
    @Hail

    Holy Cow. Julian is not backing down.

  100. @Anonymous

    the hiring of talented workers from across the globe to boost American companies.

    Let me guess– their chief talent is working for less money and being required to stay with the employer who brings them in.

  101. @Cao Cao

    We’re somewhere between

    We’re between America First and Immigrants First.

  102. Lot says:
    @Whiskey

    So does Seattle, one even caught Jeff Bezos.

  103. istevefan says:
    @Hail

    I wish I could get some time with Trump alone. He is supposed to be a great negotiator, yet if he is considering any of what you list, he clearly is not informed on this issue.

    First and foremost that must be made clear to Trump is that the other side has had 50 plus years of unfettered immigration that has resulted in the largest mass migration of peoples across international borders in history. It has resulted in the most dramatic demographic transformation of any nation in history that was not militarily invaded and its inhabitants put to death.

    With that being said, there is no more room for compromise. To compromise with the other side would be akin to finding out your accountant has been skimming $1000 from you for 50 years. Now that you have found out and confronted him, he wants to negotiate and might agree to cut back to stealing $850 per year.

    No way. You would demand both a full stop of the theft, and a form of restitution. Likewise, Trump needs to understand the free ride is over. Not only is this not just about the wall, it’s about the full spectrum of immigration, from legal to work visas to refugees to illegal and anything else that might fall outside that little description.

    Additionally, the immediate enforcement of laws and resultant deportation of those who do not qualify is a given. Also, it is time to get the Overton Window to shift to a new topic called repatriation. If we have to allocate funds from our defense budget, aid to Israel, etc., to help entice so called legal aliens to leave, then so be it.

    Back to Trump, as a super negotiator if he understood fully what the other side has already been given over the past 50 years, he would never budge. I’d rather have the government be shutdown indefinitely than to accept a compromise from those who have already ruined my nation. I’d rather have my entire stock portfolio crater to zero and destroy my accumulated wealth than to accept a compromise from those who have already ruined my nation.

  104. Art says:

    When Trump said to pull out the troops from Syria – his presidency was over.

    He will get ZERO cooperation from the Zionist forces in government and media.

    • Replies: @Precious
  105. @Doug

    he’ll sign off on *two* dollars for Flint

    Democrats haven’t given a damn about Flint for most of the last 7 or 8 decades they’ve run the place.

  106. @Trevor H.

    Executives and managers have offices. Their employees work out in the open.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  107. Spud Boy says:

    $5B isn’t enough to fund the environmental impact studies, let alone a wall.

    It’s simply more bread and circuses for the media and Twitter-verse to hyperventilate over.

    Not that it’s my wish, but illegal immigration won’t be slowed anytime soon, and Trump will not pursue the nomination in 2020.

  108. What I see on the progressive news sites sites is, “We don’t need a wall because most illegals are people who have overstayed their visas.” What I don’t see is that observation followed by a concrete plan to prevent people overstaying their visas. It’s just an attempt to change the subject.

    Is there some effective border control plan that Democrats support? I haven’t heard of one yet.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  109. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    If Trump is going to declare an emergency to build the wall, he ought to use it to enact some other policies while he’s at it, such as immigration restriction.

    Of course, the left will sue to try to stop it. So why don’t right-leaning legal groups engage in some lawfare of their own? Sue sanctuary cities on behalf of victims of illegal immigrant crime, for example. Find which illegal alien criminals were allowed in here under specious claims of asylum here because of coaching by pro bono immigration lawyers and sue those lawyers. Force left wing lawyers to play defense. The more of them forced to defend those sorts of lawsuits, the less damage they can do on offense.

    • Replies: @bomag
  110. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    The richest man of the 16th century, Charles V, at age 17, delayed his marriage to the beautiful, intelligent, and huge dowry-holding 14 year old Isabelle of Portugal to carry on an affair with his grandfather’s 29-year-old widow, Germaine de Foix. His advisors had to talk him out of trying to marry her.

    He later made his son (27) marry the older Queen Mary Tudor (36).

  111. SF says:
    @Doug

    I wrote as much to Diane Feinstein, who isn’t running for president and is occasionally reasonable. There are plenty of government programs popular in CA that could use more money.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  112. Precious says:
    @Tiny Duck

    racism is being smacked down and white men are feeling a little bit of push back for their perfidy

    It was an honest pronunciation mistake. He meant to say Martin Luther King Park but he accidentally said Martin Luther Coon Park.

    Kamala Harris is going to be the next president

    Doesn’t she have a white husband? If so, white supremacy struck again!

  113. Lot says:
    @Hail

    Worse than the status quo. Worse than Trump just caving and signing the spending bill as is.

  114. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin

    NPR to some credit did air a border control official who said that, in the 90s, until they got a barrier, the job was completely unmanageable.

  115. Precious says:
    @AnotherDad

    Bezos is an embarassment

    This joke was going around twitter…

    Hearing reports that despite his divorce, Jeff Bezos will maintain full custody of Andrew Cuomo and Bill de Blasio

  116. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish Logic on Italy and Israel: Italians should celebrate losing their homeland to non-Italians, and Jews should celebrate regaining their homeland from non-Jews.

    NYT and other globalist publications love to discuss how ancient Italian villages are emptying of native Italians and filling up with Muslims and Africans. NYT and globo-press say it’s a wonderful thing. Replacement? So what? Change is a good thing, and all nations should be reinvented and made vibrant.

    Okay… but if it’s a great thing that parts of Italy are filling up with non-Italians and if such transformation is NO BIG DEAL(and something to celebrate), why didn’t Jews celebrate the fact that they got replaced by Arabs and other goyim in Ancient Israel?
    If Italy filling up with non-Italians is great, then it must have been just super for Ancient Israel to get filled up with non-Jews to the point where Jews became a tiny minority in what was once their homeland. Diaspora Jews should have been celebrating Population Replacement in Ancient Israel for 2000 yrs than bitching and complaining about how the Tribe had lost its dear kingdom, the one and only homeland that it wishes to reclaim.

    Jewish logic: “Italians, be happy and celebrate the fact that your towns and villages are being colonized by Africans and Arabs” … and … “We Jews were so traumatized by the tragic loss of our homeland to goyim that we struggled for 2000 yrs to finally get it back.”

  117. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    Is there a classy way to seriously imply that Ginsberg is already dead and the Democrats are accepting reality about as expertly as they normally do? Someone suggested making an issue of the fact that Ginsberg can’t “work from home,” litigants are owed time before a judge’s face (not going to work in the current year with trial appearances by video, but possibly a source of pressure).

  118. Precious says:
    @Art

    When Trump said to pull out the troops from Syria – his presidency was over.

    Just like his presidential election campaign was over when that tape leaked about him bragging about how you can grab’em by the p****

    He will get ZERO cooperation from the Zionist forces in government and media.

    He doesn’t need their cooperation, troops are coming home.

    • Replies: @Art
  119. J.Ross says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon

    This will come up the next time someone pretends not to understand why people don’t want to get married or insists that Bezos is smart. At least he dodged a fake abuse accusation.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  120. @Lot

    29 and 49 are totally different. When I was 17, late 20s women seemed amazing. When I was 37, late 20s women still seemed amazing. It isn’t a straight line decline from puberty to the grave.

    • Replies: @Lot
  121. Precious says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    If Trump is politically savvy — and so far, no real evidence of that

    Other than some minor stuff like winning the 2016 US Presidential Election, but I suppose that doesn’t count because evidence has a six month expiration date.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  122. @istevefan

    “To compromise with the other side would be akin to finding out your accountant has been skimming $1000 from you for 50 years. Now that you have found out and confronted him, he wants to negotiate and might agree to cut back to stealing $850 per year.”

    Yes, and any other Republican would surly accept, and claim he got a good deal — that’s why we elected Trump!

  123. bomag says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Force left wing lawyers to play defense.

    Yes; some of that goes on; but we’re lacking the pipeline of money and people.

    Every NGO involved in the “refugee” etc racket is amply funded and staffed thanks to the taxpayer; likewise the various city councils. The pipelines are in place, and few of them are for limiting immigration.

  124. @Precious

    Succeeding as a candidate (winning an election) and falint as a governor (not implementing policies, not out-manouvering opposition, etc.) are not mutually exclusive qualties, as evidenced by Donald Trump, whose sole significant achievement so far has been a dramatic reduction in taxes for the super-rich (with, arguably, a bit of expanded military entanglement in Syria).

    • Replies: @Precious
  125. @peterike

    “The supreme power of the judiciary is a myth that exists only because no one has dared to challenge them.” What about that guy whose portrait hangs to Trump’s left in the O.O.? The baddest muthaf’er ever to be President, Jackson.

  126. @istevefan

    Come now, don’t be coy; surely you have already crafted a plan to rely upon a reverse-mortgage if your investments truly do become worthless: it’s all you think about!

  127. Precious says:
    @Autochthon

    are not mutually exclusive qualties, as evidenced by Donald Trump, whose sole significant achievement so far has been

    1) Economic growth of over 3% for the first time in over a decade
    1) 4 million new jobs created in the US economy
    1) Jobless claims at lowest level in almost five decades
    1) Consumer confidence at an 18 year high
    1) $450 billion moved back into the USA from overseas
    1) Rolling back Dodd-Frank and providing relief to credit unions and regional banks
    1) Right-to-try legislation
    1) Euthanized Obamacare’s individual mandate penalty
    1) Two dozen US Circuit Court Judges confirmed
    1) Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court
    1) Defended the US border from the migrant invader caravan
    1) Replaced NAFTA with USMCA
    1) Withdrew from TPP
    1) Tariffs on $250 billion of Chinese goods
    1) Withdrew from Paris climate agreement
    1) Moved the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem
    1) Returned US hostages from North Korea
    1) Opened North Korea negotiations with South Korea
    1) Defeated ISIS
    1) Fired Comey, McCabe and Strzok
    1) Survived assassination attempts

    I am quite happy with each “sole significant achievement” that Trump keeps stacking on to his stack of sole significant achievements.

    Did I say six months? Sorry, I meant to say evidence must have a six day expiration date. Who can bother to remember what happened last week?

  128. TTSSYF says:
    @bucky

    Tiny Buck? I mean, Duck?

  129. Rosie says:
    @J.Ross

    This will come up the next time someone pretends not to understand why people don’t want to get married or insists that Bezos is smart. At least he dodged a fake abuse accusation.

    I don’t know about the fake abuse allegation, but I do know that this story is certainly no justification for MGTOW. A certain embarrassing wignat who shall remain nameless is claiming this is “divorce rape.” He paints Bezos as a helpless victim who lost half “his” wealth to his “whore” wife, never bothering to mention his galavanting around the planet with another woman.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Autochthon
  130. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    What’s the point in a wall if we’re still importing millions of future democrats annually? Has anyone answered that question or even tried?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @dvorak
  131. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    Note: i’m your classic provider beta. Met AnotherMom in grad school, been married 30+ and expect to run out the clock with her doing the grandparent thing.

    Good for you. I’m not Stoic enough to believe that virtue is happiness, but it certainly is, at a minimum, necessary for happiness. How can you be “happy” if you can’t look at yourself in the mirror?

  132. Lot says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    You probably wouldn’t have tried to marry de Foix in that situation though. And knowing that your grandfather was there first….

  133. @Flip

    Because, unlike in the fever dreams of iSteve commenters with 0 understanding of Civics, he is not in charge of the House. Paul Ryan was, and all the members of the Freedom Eagles Guns Constitution Caucus seemed unwilling to force the issue beyond tweeting.

    Much like how when people (idiots) speak up about how Trump isn’t firing judges, they are either too stupid to know that Congress is in charge of impeaching federal judges, and yet again Trump is not a wild card you use in place of whatever branch of government isn’t doing its job.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  134. MarkinLA says:
    @Anon

    Yes, we have to focus on one thing at a time. You are doing the Dems bidding by changing the subject. If we don’t get the wall, you can be sure there will be no movement on anything else.

  135. MarkinLA says:
    @Jack Hanson

    Yes but he could have told Ryan what had to be in a bill before Ryan brought it to the House floor and he could have signaled that it was DOA without those items. He could have liasoned with the Freedom Caucus to help force the issue. Remember he also promised to end the carried interest deduction and Ryan put that in the bill.

    Ryan called Trump’s bluff and Trump folded. Trump may have thought he was buying support but Ryan screwed him and it is obvious Trump was incompetent.

    There is an old saying on Wall Street and it probably applies to politics as well:

    If you want love, get a dog.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  136. There’s two arguments to be made on the injunction front. One is that there is zero standing for anyone to sue (Congress can’t sue), but as we’ve seen, little things like standing don’t matter when Chief Roberts has to dance or else his gay lover tells all to the MSM. (see also: Roberts recently ignoring Hawaii v Trump to rule sheepherders in the Turd World can have standing in a 9th Circus courtroom despite never having stepped in the US).

    The other is that the federal courts shut down on the 19th, so no civil suits brought by a mystery meat lawyer to a mystery meat judge on behalf of mystery meats around the globe.

    As some have intimated, the very real issue is with the courts. No one wants Trump to go full Tribune of the Plebs more than me, demand to know how many legions the Courts possess and then cross the Rubicon. Then we get to see an unelected mandarin in a black dress ordering the arrest of a lawfully elected president declared “democracy in action” by BlueCheck Twitter.

    Of course, many of the same people demanding this here are unwilling to deal with the possible fallout from such a drastic step.

  137. dvorak says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Shutting down the government looks bad and is always unpopular.

    One thing that the GOP hasn’t tried is shutting down the government and then weeping like women about it. “I can’t believe you made me do this.”

    Trump’s emotional side (in the campaign) is only the tip of the iceberg for the possibilities of an EMO GOP. Don’t look to the fucking nerds of the GOP to attempt it, though.

  138. Art says:
    @Precious

    When Trump said to pull out the troops from Syria – his presidency was over.

    Just like his presidential election campaign was over when that tape leaked about him bragging about how you can grab’em by the p****

    He will get ZERO cooperation from the Zionist forces in government and media.

    He doesn’t need their cooperation, troops are coming home.

    The Zionist are going to just role over when they control most all of congress, all of the US generals, 95% of the media? You say they are going to do nothing? You say Israel’s security can be compromised just like that without a fight?

    Really?

    • Replies: @Precious
  139. dvorak says:
    @Anon

    What’s the point in a wall if we’re still importing millions of future democrats annually? Has anyone answered that question or even tried?

    As Sen. Schumer pointed out, the wall is a symbol. It’s the opposite of the Ellis Island Slut / Fag Hag / Benetton Baby Mama / Mother of Dragons / Shiksa Goddess / Good Goy.

  140. @Michael Humphreys

    Very nice. You are pitching it right across the plate for the blacks and the Evangelicals.

  141. @Tiny Duck

    The gallant forces march on! The Empire if falling, giving only light resistance. Combat, Glory, and the Loot of Empier await!

    Counterinsurgency

  142. @SunBakedSuburb

    I’d be willing to bet that more than half of Trump’s white working class constituents are on the EBT program.

    Can I be your bookie?

    If the non-existent “EBT program” is supposed to include food stamps, it couldn’t be more than 5%. You’re off by at least an order of magnitude.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  143. donut says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    If RAMZPAUL were a seasoning he would be like tarragon leaves , not essential day to day but needed for some recipes .

  144. anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Well, he gets a demerit for implying his wife is not married to an ‘alpha’ provider male, which is sort of not that complimentary to her, but he gets credit for the witticism – not a bad one – about his future plans for doing the grandparent thing with her.

    And yes, virtue is happiness – that is not Stoicism, in which virtue is the best bulwark against unhappiness, nothing more, I know Stoics as well as they can be known, poor creatures – virtue is happiness because God wants us to be virtuous, and God loves us all.

    And there are not that many of us. Even large groups of us – say the 20 million or so aborted in the CONUS in the last 20 years of poor George Herbert Walker Bush’s life – are not that large of a group, compared to, say, the number of people who teared up when Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan, neither of whom love each other in real life, decided to become a loving couple at the end of all those shenanigans and side-streets in “Sleepless in Seattle”.

    Virtue is happiness because God created all the billions of us and because billions is a small number, from the correct point of view, and because being virtuous is what God wants us to be, and, believe me or not, he is very interested in whether you are virtuous or not, and he is rooting for you. As Ernest Borgnine said in the Poseidon Adventure : “Tell them to break out their hymnbooks and sing Nearer My God to Thee”!

  145. donut says:
    @Prester John

    How about a link to this fake news story . ” Ranchers and other interests (environmental, a RC church parish) “other interests” says it all really .

  146. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jean Ralphio

    I hope that you’re wrong. I suspect that you’re right.

  147. MBlanc46 says:
    @Rosie

    A pithy piece of philosophical wisdom from our Rosie.

    • Replies: @Anon
  148. MBlanc46 says:
    @Lot

    For which his son became king of England. Not a bad deal, I’d say.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @Anon
  149. anon[359] • Disclaimer says:

    This could end up being a make or break moment for the nation and its democratic system (which I personally believe has already failed). Cortez and company are attempting to guilt the public into thinking these caravan invaders are just as “American” as you or I or Trump. If that argument is allowed to stand, we could truly see open borders and the destruction of the Republican Party and all the values espoused by its members (gun rights, free speech, religious expression, due process, the right to an attorney,* etc.). It feels a bit like the environment just before the acceptance of gay marriage. One side will win big here.

    *In the case of James Fields, the guy involved in the Charlottesville vehicle death, he was stuck with a crap public defender because mobs of Leftists attacked prospective attorneys and threatened to have them disbarred. That was pure racial payback. Even Bin Laden would have gotten a lawyer.

    If immigration isn’t stopped, legal and illegal (and the birthrate issue resolved), no Republican can win the White House again after 2020. At that point, all checks and balances break down as the Democrats pack the courts and begin oppressing white conservatives. Gun rights? Bye. Religious freedom? Banned; that’s hate speech. Controversial YouTube videos? Put in limited state or banned. Say the wrong thing or associate with the wrong group and you could be blacklisted by the SPLC/FBI; your bank could deny you service. Sound outlandish? It’s already happening. I don’t see how it should be so hard to project where this could be heading in the future.

    That’s exactly what happened when Obama was president, so there is the precedent. That’s how we got the myriad anti-white and anti-male policies we saw. As soon as they thought they had won permanently, their mask dropped. It could again soon. When Obama was president, people who expressed constitutionally protected rights like freedom of religion were sued and almost ruined (Colorado baker); people who donated to the wrong political cause (traditional marriage) were fired and blacklisted (Mozilla board member); mobs of terrorists attacked American monuments and left-wing media editorialized in favor of destroying Mount Rushmore (too many white males); our comic book superheroes and movie adaptations were race and gender swapped (no white males need apply); Obama flooded small republican towns with costly immigrants and future democrat voters; college males had their presumption of innocence revoked in cases involving accusations of sexual misconduct (because women vote democrat); we saw countless “get whitey” witch hunts across the nation, most notably at a Southern University where a white male – obviously – fraternity was attacked by a mob incited by hate-motivated lies printed by Rolling Stone magazine; we saw endless race controversies in the entertainment industry (#oscarssowhite); Obama threatened to deprive schools of money if they didn’t integrate bathrooms for transgenders; comedy was all but outlawed; we got BLM; we got terrorist attacks on white cops; MTV was running YouTube propaganda openly attacking white people (NYC votes democrat); Obama made our schools unruly nightmares (black males vote democrat); elements of the armed forces lowered standards to let unqualified females join (women vote democrat); we got all manner of insane Orwellian terms aimed at whites and males (the losers) – mansplaining, manspreading, triggered, problematic, white privilege, rape culture, and “the male gaze” (cat ladies vote democrat); Obama’s DOJ prosecuted a record number of journalists and the FBI allegedly planted spyware on a CBS journalist’s computer in retaliation for negative coverage on a gun running scandal; and the murder rate soared 23% in black cities from nearly endless media-generated anti-white hoaxes and hysteria.*

    *Remember when Obama sent his DOJ to Ferguson to sniff out what they was sure existed at the time, a conspiracy to murder poor innocent teddy bear Michael Brown? Oops. Turned out their investigation confirmed local results; the guy rushed the cop. But it didn’t save the cop (white male, obviously). YouTubers called him racist anyway and blasted his picture to the whole world. How many of those kinds of incidents did we have? How many more could we have under president Kamala Harris?

    Even under Trump we have seen a mass deplatforming of conservatives with nearly no effort to stop this, so they’re not exactly being shy about their plans. Ask yourself, how could a permanent Republican minority ever hope to stop a permanent democrat majority government – with the courts packed and the media preaching lockstep – from purging the internet at some point of all “hate speech”? Isn’t it clear where this path ultimately leads? Absolute power and all… When Obama was president and the writing was seemingly on the wall, authors were sending their manuscripts to “progressive” groups so they could be purged of unintentional wrong think. Scary. It seems like all the pieces are there for some serious repression in the future, especially considering the police state apparatus revealed by Edward Snowdon.

    Remember back when the left would screech about Reagan and the AIDS crisis, blaming him for not doing enough (gays vote democrat)? Well, what exactly did Obama do about the Opiod Crisis and the Suicide Crisis disproportionately affecting white males? Nothing (white males vote republican). That’s your future in a nutshell.

    In the future, we could get reparations and an expansion of discriminatory affirmative action policies; we see exactly that occurring in South Africa while the media largely ignores it. We could also see more corruption with checks and balances removed; absolute power corrupts absolutely. And more racism as the democrats gin up racial animus against whites to win elections (they already did with BLM so what’s to stop them in the future?). We could see an expansion of hate crimes laws that essentially prohibit certain speech; the uniparty has already set that precedent with their illegal BDS boycott laws. We could also see the destruction of critical industries like Silicon Valley as the democrats lose control of their constituents; unionization and disastrous diversity quotas incoming. California has already gotten the ball rolling by threatening corporations who don’t have at least one woman on their board with huge fines; how much longer for ethnic groups, sexual orientation, or gender identity? Can American companies compete against Chinese companies while doing that?

    We could also see a myriad of private groups like the ADL and SPLC censoring websites ranging from Reddit to YouTube (they already kinda do). Those same groups publicly blacklist wrongthinkers. The SPLC is currently being sued for illegally breaching an NDA; they got a lawyer fired and ruined because he bought a DVD from Ebay questioning the holocaust (they never even asked why he bought it…in theory he could have been merely curious or perhaps even a Zionist doing opposition research) and being a member of a controversial, disbanded, white group ~15 years ago. Now that private companies can sell your internet data (thanks Trump – asleep at the wheel), how much longer will it be before the SPLC/FBI buys internet data in bulk, hires a third party to analyze it, and publicly blacklists dissidents who merely searched the internet for controversial things?

    Think that’s impossible? Well, there are already various antifa groups who run similar operations, although not as sophisticated. I wonder what the SPLC could do with a half billion dollar war chest and the indirect support of the deepstate? They once had the direct assistance of the deepstate…back before they were caught giving shooting targets depicting white conservatives to the FBI (or ATF), if I remember correctly. Ironically, their rhetoric later inspired a real terrorist shooting aimed at white conservatives at the Family Research Counsel.

    The worst case scenario a few years hence? We get a major war with Russia as the democrat coalition of the stupid actually buys into the hateful, crazy rhetoric party & media elites have been pushing for years…of course, it will be a war disproportionately fought by white males (they vote Kremlin).

    I guess an important question to ask here is, “what’s next if we lose?” Has anyone asked that yet?

  150. donut says:
    @AnotherDad

    Since I don’t have to fly anymore I don’t . If I’m where I’m going is within two days of where I live I’ll rent a car and drive . I’ve seen the videos and read the stories but I never had any bad experiences with the TSA and the lines moved along pretty smoothly . It’s the whole bus station , overflowing trashcans food court grubbiness of the airports I can’t abide . 1/4 of the passengers sitting on the floor , the noise , TVs on every where . If you try to move away from the CNN TV you come in range of the FOX TV ( do they pay for that?) .

    “Asshole clear!”

    I just need to check inside your asshole sir .

  151. donut says:
    @ben tillman

    It would seem that more than the suburb is sunbaked .

  152. @bucky

    It’s really sad seeing people age and become pigs, breaking vows, whoring around. Al Gore did something similar, and this is after Tipper Gore had led family values crusades in the 80’s.

    David Lloyd George excused his adultery in terms which Warren Harding and Bill Clinton could have used without editing. He blamed his wife’s “insufferable Methodism”.

  153. donut says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’d forgotten that phrase .

  154. @Rosie

    Well, he gets a demerit for implying his wife is not married to an ‘alpha’ provider male…

    Ricardo Montalban said the greatest Latin lover he’d ever known was his father, who was married to his mother for 55 years.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  155. George says:

    Border Wall: Turkey has completed 900 km long security wall on Syria border, totally effective

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CsGE6_1547144145

  156. @Randy the Auditor

    I don’t know what sounds randier– “Randy the Auditor”, or “Randy the Planner”.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2656738/?ref_=nm_knf_i3

  157. donut says:
    @Detective Club

    Man , leave that girl alone . It’s not nice to make fun of the handicapped . She’s so clueless that she’s almost endearing .

  158. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @no diversity

    The diversity visa is there to get some whites in the country. Almost any white country, including Luxemburg, can send 5000 people a year on the diversity visa. Both Russia and Ukraine are in top 7 for the number of DV. Previously, the list was topped by Ireland, Poland, Bulgaria, Albania.

    Are Albanians, Bulgarians, and the Irish white?

    • Replies: @no diversity
  159. donut says:
    @MBlanc46

    He didn’t stick around though so he must have thought very little of the English crown .

  160. anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    wwebd said:

    rem acu tetigisti

  161. @Lot

    Yeah, and the ensuing marriage between Chuck 5 and Isabelle was one for the ages. They were a true love match and when she died he had to be sequestered in a monastery so the plebs couldn’t see the universal emperor totally breaking down from grief. He wore black every day for the rest of his life after that. Trying to say Charles V didn’t have a major jonesing for Isabelle only is only plausible to the historically ignorant.

    Isabelle of Portugal was a serious babe though, so I get it.

  162. @Anonymous

    You, a mongrel in a country of mongrels, still try to pretend you are whiter than an Irish? The scale of whiteness starts with Fitzpatrick type I, not with Kushner I or Obama I. Americans interbred with Africans and Jews for 300 years – worse than Albanians.

    Surely, if America were indeed number 1, the visas would be craved by others, richer, smarter people. But at this point, Ireland qualifies for DV. For a country to qualify, it has to stay below 5000 immigrants through any other way. This means Ireland did not send to YOUR shithole even 5000 immigrants in the previous year. I can’t see your superiority when even the Irish, who are still in economic troubles, shun you.

  163. vinteuil says:
    @Lot

    My patience for waiting in lines anyway has gone up a lot since smartphones. Maybe the USSR would have lasted longer if people could have been instagramming .

    Heh. Ain’t it the truth!

    Waiting in line at FCO right now.

  164. Ed says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Kamala, not only wont win but will be lucky if she gets past South Carolina.

  165. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Rosie

    And the first little male piggy said, “surely money will protect me!”
    And the second little male piggy said, “surely accomplishment will protect me!”
    And the third little male piggy said, “surely mass media power and government connections will protect me!”
    AND DIVORCEWOLF SAID YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED BY THE GOD “PLUTONIUM” IN FACT YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED.

  166. Hail says: • Website
    @istevefan

    if he is considering any of what you list, he clearly is not informed on this issue

    Reports suggest it was a Kushner gambit and if Trump was into caving in to Kushner, he never would have done the shutdown in the first place, seems to me.

    In other news, Lindsey Graham endorses State of Emergency:

  167. Anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @MBlanc46

    Rosie is clearly a miserable hateful person so she’s not in a position to be preaching about virtue. What’s that word for people who don’t practice what they preach again?

    Rosie – do one virtuous act ever in your life. Don’t try to prance around like oh look how virtuous I am. You’re doing it wrong.

  168. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    That’s hilarious, you preaching about how to be happy. People who are happy don’t try to start shit out of nowhere in thread after thread. You’re a nasty human being.

  169. @Rosie

    What is a wignat?

    • Replies: @Hail
  170. Pericles says:
    @Known Fact

    The media no doubt is already rehearsing its ritual incantation of “Constitoootional Crisis!”

    Every overreaching injunction from the Judge of Mahalo Weed LMAO Junction is a constitutional crisis. The whole judicial system is rotten with political interest, nowadays nakedly so. It’s just for some reason the media don’t want to write about that.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
  171. Pericles says:
    @Pat Boyle

    These days it’s not hard to find pictures of grinning Silicon Valley types posing in Oakland. Gentrification, here we come!

  172. Pericles says:
    @SF

    Diane Feinstein, who isn’t running for president and is occasionally reasonable.

    Then on other days she goes on long-winded hatefilled rants and plots to destroy SC applicants. I hope her limo takes a dive into the bay some rainy day.

  173. @Reg Cæsar

    I’m not sure what “Johnathan” implies, but “Johnathon” sounds like a long, long time on the toilet.

    LOL!

  174. FozzieT says:

    Trump needs to get out and hold some rallies, pronto. Trump rallies are the Right’s organized, civil version of the Left’s Street mob protests.

  175. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @MBlanc46

    Mary Tudors husband didn’t become king of England. He didn’t spend much time there busy with ruling half of Europe and Latin America

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  176. anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    “Yes, we have to focus on one thing at a time. You are doing the Dems bidding by changing the subject. If we don’t get the wall, you can be sure there will be no movement on anything else.”

    Please. Changing the subject to something much more important. Even if you get your wall, what’s the point if legal immigration continues? Bringing up the topic does nothing but put pressure on congress and the democrat media to address the subject.

  177. @Travis

    True, eliminating the diversity lottery would be a great achievement and is more important than building the wall. Ending the diversity would reduce Muslim immigration more than the so-called Muslim ban -which banned immigration from a few select nations. 30,000 Muslims are granted green cards each year via the diversity visa lottery.

  178. Hail says: • Website
    @Autochthon

    wigger + nationalist?

    Come to think of it, has the term ‘wigger’ been in long-term decline? Haven’t seen it pop up too much lately.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  179. Paul Rain says:

    This could have worked if done 2 years ago.

    It wasn’t done 2 years ago. Instead Trump spent that time releasing thugs and doing stuff for Bibi.

    The reason is that Trump is nothing but a tool of the Zionist entity.

  180. @MarkinLA

    Ultimately Trump decided that a big inter-party civil war before a Midterm wasn’t the best thing ever and went with option B. Can’t say I blame him.

    However, its ridiculous of you to whine on about how Trump either has unlimited power but he won’t use it or is so ultimately powerless we shouldn’t support him (depending on the post in question) so you can swallow blackpills.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  181. I’m looking for libertarians who support the wall.

    Are there any?

    I know there are some – Hoppe, for instance – who support closed borers, but are there any libertarians who have publicly come out in favor of Trump and his movement to build the wall?

    I have a friend who “opposes the wall” because he thinks it’s immoral to spend money on border defenses until we decrease the budget deficit.

    I usually tell him, “Have fun getting your anarcho-capitalist paradise after we allow several million more low-IQ communists.”

  182. BB753 says:

    Steve, you’re missing the greatest story in the news! Jeff Bezos is in love and divorcing his wife. Sexting his junk and writing stuff like thus:
    “I love you, alive girl. I will show you with my body, and my lips and my eyes, very soon,”

    https://pagesix.com/2019/01/10/jeff-bezos-racy-texts-to-lauren-sanchez-revealed/

    She’s Latina, very plain and older than his current wife. Should we short Amazon?

  183. MBlanc46 says:
    @Anon

    He became King at the insistence of his wife, regardless of how assiduous he was in his royal duties.

  184. Hail says: • Website
    @Charles Pewitt

    Cut Puerto Rico loose now!

    They will no longer have to be subjected to Trumpian racism/neglect.

    Really a Win-Win.

    @TuckerCarlson, wherever you are, find a way to get this idea out there.

  185. MarkinLA says:
    @Jack Hanson

    The Wall was the centerpiece of his campaign. If you can’t force that to get that done what can you do?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  186. @ben tillman

    Yeah, your comment indicates ignorance of the subject. EBT is the new term for food stamps. And anecdotally, I know more than a few white working class Trump supporters.

  187. @Hail

    So, someone like Trailer Park Boys‘s J-Roc, only if he wanted to have all his homies move with him to the Pacific Northwest and declare secessecion? Are there even three such persons on the planet? Two? One…?

    • Replies: @Hail
  188. @MarkinLA

    I’ve previously made the point Trump can’t show up in 2020 with “Build the Wall”. He also can’t make Paul Ryan bring a bill to the House. That being said, this current strategy might work out.

    • Replies: @BB753
  189. BB753 says:
    @Jack Hanson

    What strategy? Trump keeps winging it. My guess is he’s waiting for the Dem candidate to be official and then he’ll decide on the go which way to destroy him.

  190. Hail says: • Website
    @Autochthon

    If ‘wignat’ does mean “wigger nationalist,” likely the people using it will intend both words in the portmanteau to have a qualifying effect on the other, with the end result being that both terms are implied to be understood ironically. In other words, ‘wignat’ refers not to formal, committed wiggers with racial-nationalist beliefs on the side (which would be bizarre), or to formal, committed racial-nationalists who like the wigger lifestyle (which would also be weird, if somehow slightly less hard to buy), but to unserious, confused, and/or mockable people with some kind of poorly-thought-out but vaguely right-wing politics.

    Maybe the ‘wignat’ is a kind of cousin-archetype of the ‘LARPer’ (Live Action Role Play, i.e. sliding into an ideological-identity of some distant period of the past).

    All that said, I am not sure what ‘wignat’ means and I have never used the term myself (Bing suggests it is associated with the Daily Stormer), but I have seen people use wigger in the manner above described (i.e., non-literally).

    @Rosie and other ‘wignat’ users: I know this is late thread, but if any user of the term ‘wignat’ sees this (including you, Rosie), I’d love to hear your thoughts on the above.

  191. Precious says:
    @Art

    The Zionist are going to just role over when they control most all of congress, all of the US generals, 95% of the media? You say Israel’s security can be compromised just like that without a fight? Really?

    No, I am saying they will fight and lose.

    You say they are going to do nothing?

    No, I am saying they are going to do something, and fail.

    Check the news:

    “Troops begin removing military equipment from Syria”

    “US official says withdrawal from Syria has begun”

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