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  1. I don’t like Alabama voters that much at the moment. Apparently they didn’t read my endorsement of Moore here.

    In any event, probably Trump’s cucking (i.e. becoming Dubya II with tax cuts and wars around the world) didn’t help them, though.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    The media is as much pro-Neocon as it is pro-Leftist, because Neocon is a wing of virulent Leftist imperialism. And the media, therefore, will not touch on that. The media will tell us over and over how the voters of Alabama decided to be pure.

    No doubt, more than a few well meaning and simple-minded Evangelicals stayed home, because they were so disappointed with Roy Moore for being accused. But another group did not back Moore because they see the Trump administration slowly getting every inch of its body into bed with Neocons.
    , @Paleo Liberal
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    In any event, probably Trump’s cucking (i.e. becoming Dubya II with tax cuts and wars around the world) didn’t help them, though.
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    Which has surprised me not at all.

    It turns out, for the 2016 election, I knew people who knew the Clinton and the Trump families very well.

    As far as Trump goes, I knew a lawyer who did legal for for Fred Trump for several decades. I mean, this was someone who knew the insides of the Trump business like the back of his hand.

    Leading up to the election, I kept getting emails from this guy's son-in-law, who is someone I know extremely well. Every email was along the lines of "Donald Trump is a crook" or "Donald Trump is a con man".

    The people I knew who knew the inner workings of the Trump business voted for Hillary Clinton.


    I held my nose and voted for Hillary Clinton. I firmly believed that Trump's alt-right leanings were a con, and that he would govern like a Bush.

    I have stated in other places (such as a letter of mine that was on the VDARE web site) that if Trump turned out NOT to be a con man, and if he governed the way he promised, I would vote for his re-election. If he wound up as a noisier JEB, I would vote for whatever crap weasel the Democrats come up with.

    So, how's the RAISE Act going?
    Or how about DACA?
    Or replacing Obamacare with something better?
    Or a tax plan that doesn't just let the elites continue their pillage of our country?
    Oh, and did you notice the tax breaks for golf course owners and real estate developers? Gee, I wonder who THAT helps?
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  2. Berty says:

    Trump has to stop galvanizing the Democrats with his tweets and start delivering for his base or else this result will be repeated all over the country next year.

    Moore was a shit candidate who got stabbed in the back but Trump needs to dump his neocons and start governing like he promised.

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  3. Great win tonight for common sense immigration reform.

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    Liberalism, classical or whatever, means 'whatever I feel like at any moment is good and right' to women. JS Mill proposes that only that which injures others should be restricted by the state. Which only applies to men, who injure women by their very existence, in word and deed. Mill himself with his creepy muse would be with the feminists now. Classical liberalism is a recipe for feminocracy. Exactly as we are seeing. It's not an answer, it's the cause of the current problem.
    , @celt darnell

    Great win tonight for common sense immigration reform.
     
    Translation: Great win tonight for open borders and amnesty.

    You're welcome.
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  5. Paul Rain says:

    Technical human beings were allowed to vote who shouldn’t have been allowed to vote.

    It may be that enough were illegals or felons for Moore to still win. Or they may simply have been general women, blacks, and Irish.

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  6. Thomas says:

    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.
    , @Anonymous
    Seems to have been more the result of national Democratic party focusing hard $$ and efforts into Alabama. Probably 99% of them the only time they would show an interest in or assist a white man (Doug Jones) is when he can be used as a weapon against whites. Best thing Jones could've done for his family would have been dropping out of his campaign immediately before voting started.
    , @Detective Club
    The political kill-shot for Roy Moore was one which he applied to himself. He denied up and down that he ever touched that fourteen year old girl way back when but didn’t deny that he dated 16, 17, or 18 year old girls - - - all with the permission of their mothers, of course! - - - way back when, way back when he was in his thirties.

    It reminds one of the pedophile who was arrested by the police for using his lavish apartment for luring in underage girls. When the cops arrive with the cuffs and find the walls decorated with a series of lurid replicas of Balthus (Franco-Polish painter, famous or infamous for specializing in depicting naked and half-naked pubescent girls in extremely provocative poses), they ask what’s with all the young flesh on canvas. The pedo replies that his apartment is really a part-time art gallery and that he didn’t have time to go chasing after any young thing in strawberry panties because he has always just been a simple lover of great art. So there!
    , @Return of Shawn
    You do realize that the term pedophile refers to attraction to prepubescent kids, right?

    There are credible allegations that Moore went after high school age girls that were not 18.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Pedophile? Really? You fell for the hit job. I bet you are one of those guys that believes diversity is our strength.

    Dude the left and GOPe hate straight white men and want them dead.
    , @L Woods
    Moore is not a "pedophile," even if the accusations against him are true. The continual use of that word cheapens the actually-horrifying offenses against prepubescent children that really do occur.
    , @Travis
    We should not label men who date 15, 16, 17 , 18 and 19 year-olds as pedophiles. Elvis Presley was never considered a pedo , despite dating several 14 year-old girls when he was 25. The age of consent in the majority of states is still 16. Only one of the Roy Moore "accusers" was under the age of consent and none of the "accusers" claim he had sex with them. 8 of the 9 of the "accusers" were over the age of consent and claim they dated Moore and he was a gentleman , only going as far as kissing them.
    Not too long ago , from 1944 - 1964 the average age of first marriages in the United States was 19 years-old.

    Judge Moore is certainly not a pedophile and the so-called allegations are from 40 years ago and indicate he was not a sexual predator.. none of the accusers claim he had sex with them.
    , @Cloudbuster
    What Moore was accused of is not pedophilia.
    , @JimB
    It's a shame Moore lost. He would have voted reliably for the Trump agenda, which is why the Uniparty is celebrating his defeat. The Globalists have unlimited funds to interfere in state elections, so expect this and the Virginia Gubinatorial election to be a template. Gin up false charges against populist candidates and falsely accuse them of racism and sexual perversion. Heaven forbid the election should be about issues that matter to the lives of voters. Then pad the Democrat immigrant/Hispanic/black margin with felons and illegal aliens.

    Democrats and globalists have been losing the political and cultural argument for decades, but they have been winning elections through sleazy propaganda, which drives down voter turnout except for motivated left wing partisans. Moore was basically defeated by 22,000 felon votes activated in the the weeks before the election. The rural white base was discouraged to vote by illegal Facebook ads indicating that votes were public record, the implication being that when the globalist overlords regain the White House voters could have their taxes audited. Not an unreasonable assumption after Hopey Changey politicized every corner of the Federal bureaucracy, which is why we have Hillary partisans running an FBI investigation into everyone even remotely connected to a populist president.

    We now live in a third world country. Enjoy!
    , @SteveRogers42
    And of course, in a few years actual pedophilia will be legitimized, since the practitioners were "born that way". Just as homos and trannys were redefined into perfectly-normal non-perverts, pedos will be given the seal of globohomo approval.

    But in the Current Year, a nationalist and reliable MAGA supporter got successfully smeared with an unearned label...one that will soon be retconned into "respectability".
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  7. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t apologize – it’s a puppet show. Take it from the Great Swamp Drainer himself:

    “The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!”

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  8. Too Late. Too Soon.

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  9. J Clivas says:

    Moore reminds me of that foolish Senate candidate from Missouri who refused to bow out of the race.

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  10. LondonBob says:

    It was Mo Brooks to win, but he didn’t support McConnell so he torpedoed his bid and supported the ghastly Luther Strange. The upshot being the weak Roy Moore won and then lost with a lacklustre GOP turnout.

    Candidates matter, the Dems are motivated, the smearing will continue and the GOP prefers to sabotage themselves.

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  11. We’re better off. Guys like Moore with their Christian identity politics and abortion nonsense have no place in the Trumpian GOP. Moore is a relic of the 90s and was weird even then, and even by Alabama standards at that.

    Really the only thing that tonight shows is that the Dems are super motivated and the Republicans are not. We knew that already. It means that the GOP is headed for a bad 2018 but whatever.

    In the long run this means that the seat goes to Mo “War on Whites” Brooks. Exactly the kind of guy we want. In 2021 the Dems will be cursing Jones for having knocked off Moore and thus opening the door to Brooks.

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  12. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Stinging rebuke of the Republican Party. White turnout was way down and a majority of voters said the Moore allegations had no impact on their vote. So, what gives?

    We elected Trump but got Bush II: tax cuts for the rich, wars and near constant threats of wars, interfering in Syria, secret troop increases in Iraq and Afghanistan, no economic populism, no renegotiation of NAFTA, cronyism (Kushner), etc.

    It’s not hard to see how Jones won: universal healthcare, raise minimum wage, moderate on abortion, for middle class tax cuts not cutting taxes on rich donors, etc.

    The GOP donor class helped this along. Trump should have vanquished them, but instead he got into bed with them and, together, they handed themselves a shocking defeat.

    Trump’s ego contributed. He let the Goldman Sachs fox in the hen house early on because he liked the idea of people who once rejected him working for him and they gave him an unpopular tax cut for their friends in return.

    Breitbart is freaking out calling the guy ultraliberal because he supports raising the minimum wage and possibly a universal minimum income. These people are way out of touch.

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  13. Tiny Duck says:

    Thank goodness.

    Looking at the demographic data People of Color voted for Jones at 95%

    whites voted for Moore at 70% and white men at 80%

    Why do white men hate America?

    It looks once again People of Color especially Black Women have saved the day

    This is why demographic change is so important. Only when evil white “men” are stripped of power will pedophilia and racism be killed

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    Ohs Tinys…..


    - Lendert "Dey putted us on teh busses and buyd us lunchs to vote" Pitt
    , @al gore rhythms
    Now I KNOW you're kidding.
    , @Currahee
    Go Kamala, go Girl!
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  14. @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

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    And frankly the fact is, liberal politicians tend to outnumber conservative politicians about 10:1 (if not more) in the personal sleeze department. Not surprising given their platforms, and tendency to champion ideas about freeing criminals, moral relativity, removing drug laws, anti-police, etc.

    Others have made the point that Moore was accused but never proven, and the Dems have had the chance to remove many proven offenders but never did so. Also, hard to believe it's a pure interest in discrediting Moore and not a cover for partisan interests when they want to support and import in boatloads of the people who turned Rotherham into the child rape capital of the West.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    The Democrats will play as dirty as necessary in order to win, a mind-set which is loathe to most "old-time" Republicans.

    I have been saying for ages : The only way to defeat these dissolute MFs is to turn it around on them, starting with pounding them with the "Racist" label 24/7, as this is their main bludgeon in their catalog of dirty-tricks.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.
    , @Barnard
    That seemed to be the argument that worked against Moore. A class of people in Alabama were embarrassed by him. They don't realize coastal elites are going despise and mock them no matter what they do. It would be better to focus on breaking the hold popular culture has on society than obsess about individual elections like this.
    , @27 year old

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    I think this analysis is wrong, or at least, doesn't apply to Moore. He didn't lose for being "odd" he lost because they called him a child rapist. What about him was "odd"? For that matter, what about him was alt-right? He's not a normie, but he was a hardcore Christian.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as "sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo".

    Thats not "well he's antiestablishment so he's got to be a little odd". A little odd is like he wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z in the early 2000s or being a young earth creationist. They slandered him by accusing him of multiple child rapes.

    He didn't run on an alt right platform, or even a partway alt right platform. He ran on "I will vote for Trump's agenda". 60 million Americans voted for Trump's Agenda, too. That's tens of millions of people who are not in the least bit odd.

    This has been disjointed but what I'm trying to say is - I don't agree with "he was alt right so of course he had weird shit in his past". He didn't run on alt right ism, he ran on Trump's 2016 campaign promises and trying to date legal teens in the 1970s is not weird shit in the way you're implying it is.

    , @jimbojones

    we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way.
     
    Why? Don't see one following from the other.
    After Trump set the stage, someone espousing his views doesn't have to be an independent thinker anymore, or even more than a little bit brave. Just has to follow Trump.

    Drudge may have a point that Moore was a little too crazy, even quite apart from the sexual mumbo-jumbo. The Democrats also voted in unprecedented numbers.

    A tactical defeat is not the worst thing in the course of a long campaign; it offers the opportunity for self-criticism and course-correction.

    If the economy continues to soar over 2018, the Democrats continue with the crazy, and the Republicans present at least some semblance of a united front under Trump, the 2018 midterms could bring the essential dismantling of the Democratic party. Even if the Republicans do poorly in 2018, Trump would still have a chance for reelection in 2020 - like Reagan in 1984, Clinton in 1996 and W in 2004.
    , @Ian M.

    I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.
     
    Our governing class will not stop the rot if they are rotten themselves.
    , @JollyOldSoul
    "I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way."

    What's odd is what the MSM decides is odd. Devout Christian? Odd. Hardcore drag queen sleeping with 10 different men in a week? Perfectly normal. Devout believer of violent 6th Century religion who forces his wife to wear a burqua? Why he's what America is all about!
    , @Tim Howells

    we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way.
     
    There may be something to this. I saw an interesting quote from a psychologist who debriefed Korean war prisoners who had been subjected to brainwashing techniques. He started out thinking that those who had not succumbed would be remarkable, heroic people. In fact he found they were consistently socially awkward, distrustful and unlikable. With hindsight it makes sense, since advanced brainwashing techniques play on our deepest social instincts. Sometimes it helps to be missing a few screws.

    On the other hand it's easy to point to Steve, Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor and many others as counterexamples. But I'm no sure how well any of them would hold up under the full treatment continually being dished out to Trump and Moore.
    , @istevefan
    There is a story about Lyndon Johnson. Supposedly he once told an aid to tell the press that one of his opponents had sex with a horse. The aid replied, "we can't do that, you just made that up."

    LBJ then apparently said, "I know. I just want to see that SOB deny it in public."

    Well I think something similar happened to Moore. And the GOP, along with our conservative media went along with it.

    Recall that soon after the story broke Sean Hannity attempted to defend Moore. But he immediately faced a backlash by advertisers who were swamped from Media Matters and the like. Hannity got spooked and then in fact became an inquisitor on Moore. He made demands that Moore disprove the allegations and then grilled him in an interview.

    From that point on neither Hannity nor Rush supported the guy. They didn't oppose him either, but they never really tried to push for Moore and never called for examination of the yearbook and other suspicious items. And the GOP abandoned him by pulling funds and publicly announcing their support for his opponent.

    I am from Missouri and didn't know much about Moore except from his '10 Commandment' days as a judge. So I was surprised that 40-year old accusations would suddenly surface on a man who has been a lightening rod for the past 20 years, just weeks before the Senate election when it was too late to remove his name from the ballot. It is not for nothing that Missouri is called the "Show Me" state.

    A cursory review of the so called charges made me think Moore was getting railroaded.

    1) The original article that featured the misconduct with the 14 yr old was 'padded' with three other girls who were making ZERO accusations against Moore. They claimed they dated him when they were of legal age. You might not like a 32 year old dating someone at legal age, but if that is a problem change the legal age to 21. By padding the story the media then claimed he had multiple accusers.

    2) The woman with the yearbook was sketchy at best. The yearbook she introduced was immaterial to her claim of being assaulted. Whether he signed it or not does not proved assault. But yet she felt the need to produce the yearbook to make her case. Upon casual inspection from the photos available on CNN, it appears the signature area is suspicious. Troubling to me was the fact she had later appeared before Judge Moore in a divorce case and did not request the judge recuse himself. Additionally the Judge's explanation for his signature with the initials 'DA' following it made more sense than the accuser stating Moore signed his name as the county DA when he was not the county DA at that time.

    Yet Rush, Hannity and the GOP did not demand to see the yearbook. If the yearbook was altered, then that accuser's case falls.

    3) The woman who said Moore groped her in the same room with her mother was easier for me to dismiss. The WaPo had built its case that Moore liked teenage girls. They called him a pedophile which really isn't the correct term. But they claimed he liked them young. So if that were true, why would he grope a then 28 year old mother of three? To a man who only likes them young, a 28 year old mother of three is not attractive.

    4) We then had people claim that Moore was banned from a Mall and the cops were told to be on the lookout for this child predator. Yet a former mall official denied this and there were no police reports about this. People also repeated the claim that everybody knew Moore "liked them young". If so why was this never brought out during the most contentious moments of Moore's career when he was a national story for his refusal to take down the Ten Commandments? It seems odd that a moralizing man, despised by the media, would not have been exposed then when his scalp was worth its weight in gold. No, the story was saved for that rainy day in 2017 when this guy was one month away from winning a Senate seat.

    5) The lady that claimed she went to the movies with Moore as a teenager in 1981 produced a scrapbook that WaPo photographed. This scrapbook had the ticket stubs and the date and name of the guy who took her to the movies in 1981. Roy's name was on this list. Yet just looking at the photo in the WaPo of her tickets, one immediately sees an orange ticket with the word "Child" printed on it. In America a Child's ticket is less expensive than a full priced adult ticket and is thus only given to kids under 12. The woman was 18 years old in 1981. Why would she have a "child's" ticket in her scapbook? To me this appeared suspicious to say the least.

    6) The list goes on. Even the original 14 year old girl has holes in her story. She claimed Moore called her in her room at her house. Her mother claims they did not have a phone in the daughter's room. Back then phones were something you leased from the local telco and most homes probably had one phone hanging on the kitchen wall, and maybe one in the living room. And the overwhelming majority of people had one phone number even if they had multiple phones.

    I can't say for sure whether Moore is guilty or not. I don't have all the evidence and depressingly no one was asking to see any. They all took the accusers' words because they were partisan democrats and GOPe, or they were too afraid to defend the man in public because of the fear of being tarred as a supporter of a pedophile.

    In the end that is my real concern. We are going to see this play out over and over because the standard is now any charges must be believed, and any questioning of said charges is tantamount to support for rape, abuse, etc.

    As a Missourian I already know how 2018 will play out. Claire McCaskill will find herself in a tight race in October. At the point of no return when the ballots cannot be changed, a few women will come forward to announce that her GOP opponent assaulted them years before. He will then be expected to withdraw and the GOP will abandon him.

    I am sure this will happen in other key races too.

    , @Boethiuss

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    So, what's the upshot of this?

    How about we just do things the right way? Run decent people, don't go off weak tangents, vote Republican.
    , @Hugh
    Mo Brooks would have been a better candidate than either Moore or Strange. You can’t ignore candidate quality in retail politics. It’s not all about ideas, personality counts too.

    So why was Mo frozen out?
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  15. The silver lining for Trump is that Democrats will almost certainly take the wrong lesson from this and now Kamala Harris is the prohibitive favorite for the nomination. Trump would beat her like a drum. The Twitterverse is shouting that “black women just saved America!”

    Worst dark cloud for Trump is Susan Collins now owns the GOP caucus in the Senate. No tax reform means no legislative win at all in all of 2017.

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  16. Hibernian says:

    At the very least consider that such people are susceptible to blackmail.

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    If I have two alt-right candidates, I'll always choose the one untainted by sexual scandals (or any other scandals), probably even if the tainted guy is a little more solid on the issues. In the case of a near alt-right candidate with a scandal and a normie Uniparty candidate without a scandal I would always go for the near alt-right candidate, regardless of the scandal. I'd vote for the guy who hit the woman with his car in Charlottesville over a normie candidate, even though I think he's a stupid aggressive nutcase with anger management issues and I think he's guilty of manslaughter. Of course, I'd be happier if I had a better alt-right(ish) candidate, but it's not like we can be choosy.

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don't want tax cuts for the rich, nor more Middle Eastern wars (nor a Second Korean War, This Time with Nukes), and so probably weren't very motivated to vote for him based on the issues alone.
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  17. MarcW says:

    The accusations against Moore were credible. His denials were not. People don’t want to take time off in the Christmas preparations to go vote for the mall perv.

    Trump has been pretty ineffective as president which is going to tamper down enthusiasm. Enthusiasm will be low at least until the wall gets started. Instead of any discussion about the wall, we’re having a discussion about the same old tax cutting agenda that the party has had going since Reagan. Trump, personally will benefit, but I think voters in Alabama have figured out that they won’t.

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    When did you stop having sex with your mother?

    See how I did that.
    , @Boethiuss

    The accusations against Moore were credible. His denials were not. People don’t want to take time off in the Christmas preparations to go vote for the mall perv.
     
    Yeah, this.
    , @celt darnell
    The accusations against Moore weren't credible. Indeed, by referencing him as "the mall perv" you're repeating a debunked allegation against him.

    Fake news much?
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  18. Given the current climate toward accusations of sexual misbehavior, Roy Moore would have continued as a liability if he had won. His loss of the election can be interpreted perhaps as positive for the alt-right agenda, even in the medium term.

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    • Replies: @Currahee
    Yes, he certainly would have dick-stepped with some sort of Christian gibberish followed by apologetic Zionist slobbbering.
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  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    Seems to have been more the result of national Democratic party focusing hard $$ and efforts into Alabama. Probably 99% of them the only time they would show an interest in or assist a white man (Doug Jones) is when he can be used as a weapon against whites. Best thing Jones could’ve done for his family would have been dropping out of his campaign immediately before voting started.

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  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    They still haven’t called off the liquidation of the kulaks, however.

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  21. Dr. X says:

    The Democrat didn’t “win,” the Republicans defeated their own candidate.

    Moore’s loss was by approximately the same number as the write-in votes, presumably just about all of which were cast by Republicans (e.g., Richard Shelby) who refused to vote for Moore.

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  22. Tiny Duck says:

    We will replace you. America is becoming diverse and we want nothing to do with ehite supremacy

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  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    And frankly the fact is, liberal politicians tend to outnumber conservative politicians about 10:1 (if not more) in the personal sleeze department. Not surprising given their platforms, and tendency to champion ideas about freeing criminals, moral relativity, removing drug laws, anti-police, etc.

    Others have made the point that Moore was accused but never proven, and the Dems have had the chance to remove many proven offenders but never did so. Also, hard to believe it’s a pure interest in discrediting Moore and not a cover for partisan interests when they want to support and import in boatloads of the people who turned Rotherham into the child rape capital of the West.

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  24. ChrisZ says:

    One thing that strikes me is that for all the left’s “euphoria” over this outcome (and all the effort they put into defying Trump), in terms of actual *electoral* results the face of their “resistance” is made up of guys like Jones, Northam in VA, Gov.-elect Goldman-Sachs in NJ: i.e. their own hated “stale, pale, male” rival. (With an accent on “stale,” because who could be “inspired” by these guys beyond the fact that they nominally have a D associated with them and can be expected to function accordingly?)

    A lot of what’s always made the Left attractive is its mythology that “our guys are more exciting, more revolutionary, more exotic: a vanguard of the future.” By contrast, the slogan of these recent elections might be: “we just want our managers in positions of power.”

    That’s probably always been the reality beneath the pretext, but that reality seems especially naked in these instances. It’s a big come-down from the glamorous “lineage” of FDR, JFK, Obama, and (in her way) Mrs. Clinton. What’s going to happen to the “glue that binds the coalition of the fringes,” once it sinks in that the beneficiary of all their agitation is a bunch of rich white guys?

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  25. Jake says:
    @reiner Tor
    I don’t like Alabama voters that much at the moment. Apparently they didn’t read my endorsement of Moore here.

    In any event, probably Trump’s cucking (i.e. becoming Dubya II with tax cuts and wars around the world) didn’t help them, though.

    The media is as much pro-Neocon as it is pro-Leftist, because Neocon is a wing of virulent Leftist imperialism. And the media, therefore, will not touch on that. The media will tell us over and over how the voters of Alabama decided to be pure.

    No doubt, more than a few well meaning and simple-minded Evangelicals stayed home, because they were so disappointed with Roy Moore for being accused. But another group did not back Moore because they see the Trump administration slowly getting every inch of its body into bed with Neocons.

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  26. Bliss says:

    Bannon’s reputation and credibility just took a big hit.

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    Bannon’s reputation and credibility just took a big hit.
     
    On the contrary, Bannon made the best of a bad hand, and no doubt told Trump exactly that this is what was happening.

    Bannon will depart 7 weeks before the end of the Trump presidency.
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  27. Nico says:

    This of course was the first veritable political test of the THOT patrol’s power in the Trump era and in particular in the wake of the #metoo shenanigans. It is now established that plausible accusations of sexual misconduct or even just creepiness may serve to destroy a man socially and politically before exact level of credibility has been established, let alone preponderance and we might as well forget about guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    This game just got a whole lot nastier.

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  28. What’s the White body count in your time of disaffected blogging, Steve?

    Do you think you’ve moved the pendulum in White favour? Do you have a view of the collective benefit when you post?

    You’ve known that things like Rotherham have been ongoing at least a decade before Rotherham, what impact has your blogging had and what impact do you hope to have?

    Would you characterise your blogging career as the very epitome of Marshall Mcluhan’s aphorism “the medium is the message”?

    Is our future as bleak as that?

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  29. Moore is 70. His campaign was the campaign of a Seventy year-old. Energetic politicians of that age, like Trump, are few and far between. A much younger candidate would have been preferable.
    Anyway, on foreign affairs and the like, Moore is just another Neocon, Israel First supporter. No loss there.

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  30. The GOP establishment are still all in on anti-Trump. He thus far has not taken over/transformed/shifted the party.

    Moore did 70% among Whites. But he and the GOP did not do enough to get them to show up. I don’t think even Trump got that high of a White share. Dems went hard with black celebrities and misleading ads to max black turnout.

    The process of canceling the 2016 election will pick up steam, at least in the minds of the #resistance. More impeachment talk and Mueller stuff.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    The enemy has a playbook, but is it repeatable? They used fake news about sex stuff plus a full nationwide media press on tiny little Alabama. They can make stuff up about all the 2018 candidates, but the country can’t do a month of sustained hate/interest in all of them at the same time.

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    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.
     
    I haven't been to the Drudge Report in many, many moons, ever since Matt Drudge started telling me that I needed to turn off my ad blocker in order to view his site. Sorry Matt, you're just not that important to me; I'll get my news elsewhere.

    But as for hating Bannon, I can hardly hold that against him. If there is one upside to this election, it's that Bannon was handed a well-deserved humiliation. Steve Bannon is a freaking clown who has spent his whole life weaseling his way into high profile positions, making a mess of things, and then leaving under a cloud while claiming that the strictures of the job interfered with his independence and creativity, and that he was better off without it.

    Well, pardon me, but the longsuffering dissident rightists shouldn't be asked to carry the baggage for Steve Bannon's personal journey of self-discovery. If you're going to take a leading position, you had better gird yourself for the responsibilities of the job, understanding that it's going to require sacrifice and self-denial on your part. I hope to God this will be Bannon's last rodeo, for we could do without leaders like him.
    , @Detective Club
    Trump crushed Hillary by about 28% in Alabama in 2016. 2016 turnout was 66.1% in Alabama. Moore lost by about 1 1/2%. Alabama turnout in 2017 was between 38% and 42%. Rather than vote for the Lefty Dem or "Kid-Toucher" Moore, Alabama Republicans stayed home.
    , @BenKenobi
    All the power of The Megaphone produced this slim victory. Nonetheless it should be a wake-up call.

    Every election will be like this from now on. The polarization continues apace.

    This train has no brakes.
    It was designed that way because it was known people would chicken out. The Globalists and their Coalition of the Fringes are pissed about 2016 (nothing worse than uppity Whites). If they get back into power they will go full Bolshevik to prevent another 2016.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Very well put. God that homosexual Jew Drudge has completely surrendered to the Devil out of his hatred for Bannon. His coverage of this race was akin to the HuffPost. F him.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.
     
    Drudge is an old-fashioned tabloid journalist. He likes controversy - buzz - and he fans it for the clicks. I don't think he has any particular animus against Bannon. Bannon screwed up in backing Moore. He's going to have to take his licks.
    , @Rod1963
    Without the sex stuff and the GOP elite repudiating Moore from the get go, it's not repeatable.

    Moore was the perfect storm for the Democrats. Abandoned by his party and the senate making noises about throwing him out of the senate; attacked by FoxNews on a continual basis; Hannity throwing him under the bus, etc. It all added up.

    Drudge didn't help, he doesn't like Trump, Bannon or the MAGA movement. All he does is link to Liberal sites like WaPo and NYC.

    Most of the sex stuff came from the RNC/McConnell people. The timing points to it. the bimbo eruptions were timed so as to force Moore out and put Strange back into play except Moore didn't step down so it blew up in the McConnell's face. When they realized Moore was stepping down, they went full scorched Earth on him and didn't care that it would the GOP a senate seat.

    The Democrats love dropping bimbo eruptions a day or two before the election so as to keep the Republican from doing any sort of damage control.

    Lastly Trump's gradual cucking is hurting the GOP. His endorsements don't carry weight anymore. The guy is all about tax cuts for the rich and foreign interventions now. Very Dubya.
    , @Moral Stone
    On top of the adverse media attention, it has to be mentioned that Roy Moore acted like an idiot in terms of defending himself and deflecting the bad press. Not even Hannity could make the guy seem quite human, and he never remotely softened his tone in a general election "pivot."

    Also, Roy Moore might support Trump but he's not really Trump-like in his policies, particularly his monomaniacal focus on abortion and gay stuff. Trump mostly ignored all of that during his run. Moore alienated centrist conservatives with it.
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  31. Hrw-500 says:

    VoxDay posted a interesting rant. http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2017/12/republicans-never-learn.html

    Some begin to ponder if there was voter fraud?

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    My favorite line:

    And neither of them [Trump and Bannon] has even seriously begun to fight
     
    Lol. "Things look bad now, but just wait 'til Homer starts punching back!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=b3F6i3cqhyw
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  32. @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    The political kill-shot for Roy Moore was one which he applied to himself. He denied up and down that he ever touched that fourteen year old girl way back when but didn’t deny that he dated 16, 17, or 18 year old girls – – – all with the permission of their mothers, of course! – – – way back when, way back when he was in his thirties.

    It reminds one of the pedophile who was arrested by the police for using his lavish apartment for luring in underage girls. When the cops arrive with the cuffs and find the walls decorated with a series of lurid replicas of Balthus (Franco-Polish painter, famous or infamous for specializing in depicting naked and half-naked pubescent girls in extremely provocative poses), they ask what’s with all the young flesh on canvas. The pedo replies that his apartment is really a part-time art gallery and that he didn’t have time to go chasing after any young thing in strawberry panties because he has always just been a simple lover of great art. So there!

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  33. @27 year old
    The GOP establishment are still all in on anti-Trump. He thus far has not taken over/transformed/shifted the party.

    Moore did 70% among Whites. But he and the GOP did not do enough to get them to show up. I don't think even Trump got that high of a White share. Dems went hard with black celebrities and misleading ads to max black turnout.

    The process of canceling the 2016 election will pick up steam, at least in the minds of the #resistance. More impeachment talk and Mueller stuff.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    The enemy has a playbook, but is it repeatable? They used fake news about sex stuff plus a full nationwide media press on tiny little Alabama. They can make stuff up about all the 2018 candidates, but the country can't do a month of sustained hate/interest in all of them at the same time.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    I haven’t been to the Drudge Report in many, many moons, ever since Matt Drudge started telling me that I needed to turn off my ad blocker in order to view his site. Sorry Matt, you’re just not that important to me; I’ll get my news elsewhere.

    But as for hating Bannon, I can hardly hold that against him. If there is one upside to this election, it’s that Bannon was handed a well-deserved humiliation. Steve Bannon is a freaking clown who has spent his whole life weaseling his way into high profile positions, making a mess of things, and then leaving under a cloud while claiming that the strictures of the job interfered with his independence and creativity, and that he was better off without it.

    Well, pardon me, but the longsuffering dissident rightists shouldn’t be asked to carry the baggage for Steve Bannon’s personal journey of self-discovery. If you’re going to take a leading position, you had better gird yourself for the responsibilities of the job, understanding that it’s going to require sacrifice and self-denial on your part. I hope to God this will be Bannon’s last rodeo, for we could do without leaders like him.

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  34. @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    The Democrats will play as dirty as necessary in order to win, a mind-set which is loathe to most “old-time” Republicans.

    I have been saying for ages : The only way to defeat these dissolute MFs is to turn it around on them, starting with pounding them with the “Racist” label 24/7, as this is their main bludgeon in their catalog of dirty-tricks.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

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  35. BenKenobi says:

    Hey Steve, in the wake of this election it looks like a writer at Salon just suggested the Democrats adopt the Sailer Strategy:

    https://www.salon.com/2017/12/13/doug-jones-alabama-miracle-it-all-came-down-to-turnout/

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  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The establishment GOP came out against Moore. Richard Shelby, Cory Gardner, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, the national GOP, et al. I was a solid Republican and voted straight GOP in the past. Trump is my last GOP vote. I will stick with him to the end but that’s it. The Swamp can’t be drained, the Deep State is as powerful as ever, and the DOJ is rogue and ignore the President and Congress, and we have a worthless AG who took the short yellow bus to the Foghorn J. Leghorn School of Law. I want the GOP establishment and its members destroyed. To combine lines from Michael Brown’s stepfather and Malcolm X, “Burn this bitch down by any means necessary.”

    The Establishment (to include Democrats, others) believes things will return to normal post-Trump. If they continue to try to thwart Trump every step every day, the damage to America will be permanent. The vast majority of Trump supporters out in middle America and large pockets of blue state America have had their eyes opened. They will never rally around some GOP candidate with the Establishment imprimatur. But how could they after Trump? They news media has been damaged beyond repair. You will have a complete loss of trust in America and its institutions. They will not really go along to get along but will be sand in the gears. The next leader will be seen as a sham no matter how much artificial adulation is generated. The fate of Trump is the fate of America.

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  37. @27 year old
    The GOP establishment are still all in on anti-Trump. He thus far has not taken over/transformed/shifted the party.

    Moore did 70% among Whites. But he and the GOP did not do enough to get them to show up. I don't think even Trump got that high of a White share. Dems went hard with black celebrities and misleading ads to max black turnout.

    The process of canceling the 2016 election will pick up steam, at least in the minds of the #resistance. More impeachment talk and Mueller stuff.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    The enemy has a playbook, but is it repeatable? They used fake news about sex stuff plus a full nationwide media press on tiny little Alabama. They can make stuff up about all the 2018 candidates, but the country can't do a month of sustained hate/interest in all of them at the same time.

    Trump crushed Hillary by about 28% in Alabama in 2016. 2016 turnout was 66.1% in Alabama. Moore lost by about 1 1/2%. Alabama turnout in 2017 was between 38% and 42%. Rather than vote for the Lefty Dem or “Kid-Toucher” Moore, Alabama Republicans stayed home.

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    Rather than vote for the Lefty Dem or “Kid-Toucher” Moore, Alabama Republicans stayed home.
     
    Voter suppression. Mission accomplished.
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  38. Barnard says:
    @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    That seemed to be the argument that worked against Moore. A class of people in Alabama were embarrassed by him. They don’t realize coastal elites are going despise and mock them no matter what they do. It would be better to focus on breaking the hold popular culture has on society than obsess about individual elections like this.

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    We don’t care about coastal elites. Moore would be an embarrassment even if Alabama was its own country. Moore is a joke and always has been and NEVER does well even in Alabama despite his crazy (and not that big, maybe 1/3 of the electorate) longtime base of support. We’ve been exposed to this guy’s antics for a quarter century. The right is better off without Israel worshipping kooks whose only argument is to rant about gays and “baby killing” like it’s still the 80s or 90s. Moore even did his stumping almost solely at Baptist churches and barns, and had pastors robocalling houses. His whole personality/campaign was extremely grating to people who aren’t hyper-religious and this vote was more an indictment of Moore rather than a sign of some political shift. Any standard Republican would have won. Black turnout was not that big of a deal because they always turn out for Dems in high numbers here, with the exception of Hillary who had their turnout depressed.

    If the right wing or alt lite wants to hang on in the future then they must drop guys like Moore and people whose first choice are guys like Moore. That was the general consensus in these parts a few years ago, I am not sure what has changed in that people are suddenly so upset over a (predictable) loss like this. A lot more to gain by bringing more white “normies” over than there is pandering to the nuttiest fringe who will always support conservatives anyway. Trump won because he managed to pull some independents and democrats over, not because of evangelicals. Trump had the correct instinct in endorsing Strange and staying out of the election subsequently, it’s a shame someone clearly forced him to wade into the fray and promote Moore at the last minute. I wonder who gave the bad advice.

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  39. @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    You do realize that the term pedophile refers to attraction to prepubescent kids, right?

    There are credible allegations that Moore went after high school age girls that were not 18.

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  40. Okie says:

    That the Washington r establisment was willing to go to the lengths it did to give a deep red seat to a leftist for 3 yrs is a sign of either how bad Moore is (dunno, I am not from bama) or how much more important power is over party. I’mnot willing to spend time researching a man who will vanish from national view now, but I bet it is a whole lot of the latter over the former. Schumer did effectively the same thing to franken (cut off the tap, in frankens’s case it was access to power, in mitch m it was acess to money)but with 2 big differences one a d replaces him and 2 franken’ issues were much less offensive but far better substantiated.

    The joy in never trump whoville last night makes me think we are headed for a 3 to 3.5 party future pretty soon. However unless the coalition of the fringes does break to create the 0.5 that hands power to the left to not just manage a decline as the r-est wants to do but actually accelerate it

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  41. @Hibernian
    At the very least consider that such people are susceptible to blackmail.

    If I have two alt-right candidates, I’ll always choose the one untainted by sexual scandals (or any other scandals), probably even if the tainted guy is a little more solid on the issues. In the case of a near alt-right candidate with a scandal and a normie Uniparty candidate without a scandal I would always go for the near alt-right candidate, regardless of the scandal. I’d vote for the guy who hit the woman with his car in Charlottesville over a normie candidate, even though I think he’s a stupid aggressive nutcase with anger management issues and I think he’s guilty of manslaughter. Of course, I’d be happier if I had a better alt-right(ish) candidate, but it’s not like we can be choosy.

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don’t want tax cuts for the rich, nor more Middle Eastern wars (nor a Second Korean War, This Time with Nukes), and so probably weren’t very motivated to vote for him based on the issues alone.

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    He was for closing of the border.

    There were never any issues discussed. It was one hatchet job after another. "Tax cuts for the rich" can you guys come up with a better go to empty phrase.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    And he was brave enough to stand up to the homo and granny tyranny brigade. Which is extremely brave in 2017 for anyone, especially a politician.

    That woman in Charlottesville died of a heart attack. And let's see how you respond when your car is surrounded by a very violent, angry mob when you know the cops are standing down.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don’t want tax cuts for the rich...
     
    In global terms, Alabama's "lower class whites" are very much part of the rich.
    , @Neoconned1
    So this. I'll bring back Jim Carvilles advice "it's the economy stupid"......

    We DON'T WANT another neocon ginned up "war" that's actually another crony capitalist giveaway to defense companies. Nor do we want another failed tax giveaway disguised as stimulus while the rich rake it in left & right.

    We want JOBS. We want them NOW while we actually can still work. I'm 34. In 5 years I'll be 40 and nearing retirement years.

    I don't expect to get rich BUT I do expect a middle class living.

    If this means Hispanics get rounded up and deported & the anchor kids stripped of citizenship and deported then so be it.

    Life isn't fair and we're nuts and stupid to be thinking others are playing by the rules when they arent.

    The Japanese have what is considered a right wing party in the LDP that has ruled Japan for much of the post war period.

    They have dealt with Japan's deflation and shrinking population and aging workforce thru a combination of Fed central bank pumping gimmicks, tax cuts for corporations, MASSIVE Central Bank financed New Deal and Great Society programs to keep marginal males employed etc

    Basically they combined Trump, Reagan, FDR & LBJ and Ben Bernanke to boot. With marginal results. The alternative was anarchy, mass unemployment and radical politics.

    Really if any of you are as smart as I think you are then you know this is what's going to happen. They're saying something akin to 25-45% of jobs will vanish in the coming 20 yrs from automation/robots/computers etc

    Billionaire "bond King" Bill Gross among others have called for the legislative inplementation of BIG..... Basic Income Guarantee....where the govt just prints up $ and gives it to you as a civil right.

    "It's over"....we should be dropping immigration legal or otherwise by 95% and as Pittsburgh Thatcherite and others have proposed we should be SELLING American citizenship to the highest bidder....

    If this gets out of the Deep States fingers the officer corps of the military could step in and set up a junta.... would it be that bad.... given the corruption in Washington?

    The military would probably clean a lotta that crap up. John Doe on the street could give two shots about gays or abortion or ME adventuring....bring the troops HOME....that's step 1

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  42. As I’m the limerick guy, when I thought Roy Moore was sure to win, I tried to come up with a limerick. Something about “ladies” who were “over the hill by the eighties” and “there’s a place you can go” and “some call it Hell, I call it Hades” (tying it in with Sling Blade). It wasn’t very good, anyway.

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  43. BenKenobi says:
    @27 year old
    The GOP establishment are still all in on anti-Trump. He thus far has not taken over/transformed/shifted the party.

    Moore did 70% among Whites. But he and the GOP did not do enough to get them to show up. I don't think even Trump got that high of a White share. Dems went hard with black celebrities and misleading ads to max black turnout.

    The process of canceling the 2016 election will pick up steam, at least in the minds of the #resistance. More impeachment talk and Mueller stuff.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    The enemy has a playbook, but is it repeatable? They used fake news about sex stuff plus a full nationwide media press on tiny little Alabama. They can make stuff up about all the 2018 candidates, but the country can't do a month of sustained hate/interest in all of them at the same time.

    All the power of The Megaphone produced this slim victory. Nonetheless it should be a wake-up call.

    Every election will be like this from now on. The polarization continues apace.

    This train has no brakes.
    It was designed that way because it was known people would chicken out. The Globalists and their Coalition of the Fringes are pissed about 2016 (nothing worse than uppity Whites). If they get back into power they will go full Bolshevik to prevent another 2016.

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  44. @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    Pedophile? Really? You fell for the hit job. I bet you are one of those guys that believes diversity is our strength.

    Dude the left and GOPe hate straight white men and want them dead.

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  45. @27 year old
    The GOP establishment are still all in on anti-Trump. He thus far has not taken over/transformed/shifted the party.

    Moore did 70% among Whites. But he and the GOP did not do enough to get them to show up. I don't think even Trump got that high of a White share. Dems went hard with black celebrities and misleading ads to max black turnout.

    The process of canceling the 2016 election will pick up steam, at least in the minds of the #resistance. More impeachment talk and Mueller stuff.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    The enemy has a playbook, but is it repeatable? They used fake news about sex stuff plus a full nationwide media press on tiny little Alabama. They can make stuff up about all the 2018 candidates, but the country can't do a month of sustained hate/interest in all of them at the same time.

    Very well put. God that homosexual Jew Drudge has completely surrendered to the Devil out of his hatred for Bannon. His coverage of this race was akin to the HuffPost. F him.

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  46. One is always remindered, in one of your squalid hate sessions of the lower IQ classes that they do feel the sting of death every bit as much as you do, Sir Steve.

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    One is always remindered, in one of your squalid hate sessions of the lower IQ classes that they do feel the sting of death every bit as much as you do...
     
    Yes, many's the time I've been remindered of exactly this.
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  47. Anon7 says:

    There was no exercise of due process in Roy Moore’s case. No judge, no opposing counsels, no gathering of evidence under oath; it is just he said/she said accusations. At least one of the accusers is known to have lied about a yearbook inscription, part of which she added. Game over for Roy Moore.

    It’s clever, when you think about it. Ambitious and successful men will always have a sexual history because women will always desire them, there will always be women who feel offended and the success of the attack on Roy Moore means that men can no longer run for national political office. It’s not about the truth of an accusation, it’s about how women feel.

    For 2018, if the Democrats can win enough seats in the House, and the Republicans fail to hold fast, the women will accuse and the man will lose ™; Donald Trump will certainly be impeached.

    So, what to do? This is all politics, so we need to go on the offensive. I’m sure some of the 100 Democrat women in Congress who now call for an investigation of President Trump are vulnerable; pick some of the weak ones and demand a recall, or otherwise go after them in the primaries.

    Republican women are going to need to step up to the plate here, because only they can speak against these Democrat women.

    Also, Trump and Republicans need to run on the strength of the economy; if enough can win, this #metoo movement will peter out as all movements eventually do.

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  48. Moore is the Hillary Clinton of Alabama politics.

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  49. Corn says:

    Moore lost and I’m very unhappy about it. I’m trying to console myself by telling myself he was fairly flawed as a candidate to begin with but I’m bummed. No doubt the NeverTrumpers are elated.

    As for Trump, he needs to double down. Push hard against DACA and implement the agenda he campaigned on via executive order as much as he can. I keep hearing of shenanigans going on amongst Mueller’s investigators and it’s infuriating. Trump will never be accepted by the DC set so he may as well become the monster they portray him as.

    It’s my understanding Moore lost because blacks were far more likely to show up to polls than whites. Maybe more whites would’ve shown up if Moore had been able to talk about the wall that was being built or the mass deportations being staged. Instead we’ve gotten more tax cuts for the rich and UMC and Israel has a new capital.

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    Your analysis is right on the money. If we wanted no major action to close the border to illegal immigration and little to reduce legal immigration, we could have voted for Jeb! or little Marco. If we wanted an unnecessary, nondefensive war against Iran or Russia, we could have voted for Shrillery.

    If we wanted tax cuts for the top one percent but actual tax INCREASES for some of us below that, well, we could have freeking stayed home on Election Day.

    Based on our current tentative understanding of the House-Senate modified tax bill, my wife and I will actually pay fed income tax at a higher rate in 2018 than now. That is wrong, not to mention infuriating and stupid politics for trump and repubs.

    We have three young children and live in CA. We live in a very small apartment, drive one old vehicle, and have no TV, all to enable us to still invest meaningfully toward retirement and nominally towards kids' college without going into debt or burdening others.

    We contributed more than we could afford to Trump's campaign, and I work my ass off trying to keep enabling my wife to be a full time Mom (and a wonderful one) -- and to pay my share of the food stamps, Medi-Cal, "free" education, "free" strollers and car seats, "free" or discounted daycare, "free" bike helmets, free school breakfasts and lunches and optional dinners (!!) and basically every goddamn minute of at least six million mexicans' and Africans' lives in this State alone.

    Yet they will raise OUR taxes while scumbag financial paperpushers, trust fund slackers, and ultra-wealthy bankers, brokers, doctors, entertainers, and developers in the top bracket get a cut?

    The corporate tax cuts (which I'd support up to a point) are permanent while tax cuts directly to individuals have a sunset date?

    Low-income people who already pay NO fed income tax continue to "get back" money they never paid thru the "Earned Incone Tax Credit" while we pay even more towards most major services and needs in their lives thanks to the tax hike??

    Oh HELL no.

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  50. @reiner Tor
    If I have two alt-right candidates, I'll always choose the one untainted by sexual scandals (or any other scandals), probably even if the tainted guy is a little more solid on the issues. In the case of a near alt-right candidate with a scandal and a normie Uniparty candidate without a scandal I would always go for the near alt-right candidate, regardless of the scandal. I'd vote for the guy who hit the woman with his car in Charlottesville over a normie candidate, even though I think he's a stupid aggressive nutcase with anger management issues and I think he's guilty of manslaughter. Of course, I'd be happier if I had a better alt-right(ish) candidate, but it's not like we can be choosy.

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don't want tax cuts for the rich, nor more Middle Eastern wars (nor a Second Korean War, This Time with Nukes), and so probably weren't very motivated to vote for him based on the issues alone.

    He was for closing of the border.

    There were never any issues discussed. It was one hatchet job after another. “Tax cuts for the rich” can you guys come up with a better go to empty phrase.

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  51. Busby says:

    Rick Wilson is being feted for some final week television commercials that have his fan boys all atwitter.
    His response is a model of post modern modesty, “Gee. Aw shucks, I was just doing my patriotic duty.”

    Like Ramsay McDonald, he is a modest man with much to be modest about.

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    Like Ramsay McDonald, he is a modest man with much to be modest about.
     
    iirc Churchill said that about Clement Attlee, the post-war Labour pm.
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  52. @reiner Tor
    If I have two alt-right candidates, I'll always choose the one untainted by sexual scandals (or any other scandals), probably even if the tainted guy is a little more solid on the issues. In the case of a near alt-right candidate with a scandal and a normie Uniparty candidate without a scandal I would always go for the near alt-right candidate, regardless of the scandal. I'd vote for the guy who hit the woman with his car in Charlottesville over a normie candidate, even though I think he's a stupid aggressive nutcase with anger management issues and I think he's guilty of manslaughter. Of course, I'd be happier if I had a better alt-right(ish) candidate, but it's not like we can be choosy.

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don't want tax cuts for the rich, nor more Middle Eastern wars (nor a Second Korean War, This Time with Nukes), and so probably weren't very motivated to vote for him based on the issues alone.

    And he was brave enough to stand up to the homo and granny tyranny brigade. Which is extremely brave in 2017 for anyone, especially a politician.

    That woman in Charlottesville died of a heart attack. And let’s see how you respond when your car is surrounded by a very violent, angry mob when you know the cops are standing down.

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    That should be tranny tyranny not granny. Dang spell check.
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  53. iffen says:

    I watched the returns come in on CNN. The most perplexing part was trying to figure out who Wolf Blitzer was for.

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  54. @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    I think this analysis is wrong, or at least, doesn’t apply to Moore. He didn’t lose for being “odd” he lost because they called him a child rapist. What about him was “odd”? For that matter, what about him was alt-right? He’s not a normie, but he was a hardcore Christian.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as “sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo”.

    Thats not “well he’s antiestablishment so he’s got to be a little odd”. A little odd is like he wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z in the early 2000s or being a young earth creationist. They slandered him by accusing him of multiple child rapes.

    He didn’t run on an alt right platform, or even a partway alt right platform. He ran on “I will vote for Trump’s agenda”. 60 million Americans voted for Trump’s Agenda, too. That’s tens of millions of people who are not in the least bit odd.

    This has been disjointed but what I’m trying to say is – I don’t agree with “he was alt right so of course he had weird shit in his past”. He didn’t run on alt right ism, he ran on Trump’s 2016 campaign promises and trying to date legal teens in the 1970s is not weird shit in the way you’re implying it is.

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    Agree. There was nothing remotely "alt-right" about Moore.

    Moore was a flawed candidate for any number of reasons, not the least of which is that he's a grand-stander and a Prima Donna. He's more interested in being the hero of his own little story than he is in getting something substantive done.
    , @Chrisnonymous

    wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z i
     
    M

    TMI, 27 year old. T. M. I.
    , @Ian M.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as “sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo”.
     
    Is the allegation of raping a 14-year-old credible?

    Someone in his thirties trying to date 16-year-olds (or whatever it was) is odd behavior though, regardless of whether they were legal or not. That's not normal behavior. I have no idea if the allegations are credible though, I haven't followed the story.
    , @Cloudbuster
    a child rapist

    that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s

    Nope. Full stop. He was accused of getting down to underwear with the girl, making out a bit, and then immediately stopping and taking her home when she got uncomfortable.

    Even aside from the fact that the girls' story was falling apart due to inaccuracies and impossibilities in the details, that's not rape.

    None of the allegations involved child rape. Can we at least use accurate terms here, instead of leftist propaganda?

    , @David Allan coe
    There were no allegations that he raped anyone...but a single allegation he tried to seduce a 14 year-old and stopped when she resisted......the women who claimed he dated them when they were 17, 18, 19, 21 and 22 years-old - all claimed he was a grntleman, never did more than kiss and hold hands...which does not collaborate the 24 year-old''s story...in fact it suggests she is lying.
    , @reiner Tor
    Well, Trump's campaign had a lot of alt-right(ish) ideas, like immigration restrictionism etc. His "agenda" theoretically still contains these. I know it's significantly to the left of Steve's citizenism, but he seemed to be far to the right of anything available.

    he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s
     
    Those girls were teenagers (like 17), and he was like over 35 at the time. That's a little weird, trying to seduce very young girls.

    he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s
     
    I guess it was like statutory rape (no violence, just seducing a girl under legal age - or was there actual violence?) Aside from the criminality of it all, that might not be totally abnormal (human history has a number of examples of 14-year-olds married off to 40-year-old guys), but it's not totally normal either, especially not in our culture. Especially from a "hardcore Christian".

    But I'm not sure what was your point. Would you have voted for the Democrat, had you lived in Alabama? Or would you have stayed home? If not, basically you're thinking similar to me: no matter how tainted the guy, still better than the enemy.
    , @c matt
    From what I understand, he did not deny the dating 16-18 yos when he was in his 30s. Sorry, but that does count as strange, even in 1970s Alabama. His polling numbers began to sink with those revelations so it is highly likely that turned off enough of his would-be supporters. In turn that was enough to send the election the other way. Don't know what his story about the 14 year old was - did he say he only tried to seduce her but stopped as soon as she felt uncomfortable? If he copped to anything even remotely like that, color me shocked that he lost support.
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  55. J1234 says:

    “Trump comes tumbling to Earth,” the headlines read. “Stunning Defeat,” but the media is talking about it’s arch enemy Trump more than Roy Moore. Trump said Moore couldn’t win early on, and supported Moore’s opponent, but that’s now just called a lame excuse by the media. He did what he should to keep a Republican seat in the Senate. If he hadn’t promoted Moore, the media would ask, “why did he just sit by and do nothing?”

    The media also refuses to de-conflate the sex scandal hysteria, not acknowledging the difference between accusations made against public figures along with sitting politicians, and accusations made for the first time ever (and right at the critical moment) against people running for office. Expect to see more sexual misconduct accusations made against candidates over the next several years, at least in close races.

    The Democrats, who claim the electoral college is a barrier to the democratic process, have found a way to circumvent the democratic process. Or at least their operatives in the media have. It didn’t work on Donald Trump, but this election has shown it can still work.

    Having said that, the three accusers that the media has recently trotted (or re-trotted) out against Trump are hilarious! One is a beauty pageant contestant who said that Trump lined all the girls up and looked at them like they were meat. That never happens at beauty pageants. She then said that Trump walked into the girls’ dressing rooms while she was naked under her robe. I’m not exactly sure how you can be naked under a robe. And how is that more revealing than the swimsuit you parade in during the event? Another women accused him of “misogynistic” stuff without being more specific.

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  56. L Woods says:
    @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    Moore is not a “pedophile,” even if the accusations against him are true. The continual use of that word cheapens the actually-horrifying offenses against prepubescent children that really do occur.

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  57. Better off this way. Why leave the Republicans stuck with a pervy Senator that the Democrats and the MSM will drag up every election? This seat flips back to the Republicans next election as long as they can find a candidate who restricts himself to dating women that have a driver’s license.

    The Democrats are far more suceptable to sex scandals, and the results of this election will keep the focus on them.

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    Agree completely, NJTC. (We may be on the same train as I type this, BTW.) I prefer to spend my energy arguing on behalf of the Wall rather than defending Moore. Although to be honest, we’ve all argued enough and it’s past time to see the Wall erected in all its glory.

    About Dems being more susceptible to sex scandals than Reps: it’s true of course, even if it’s a pitifully low standard. When it was revealed that zero-charisma R-Sen. Pete Domenici had knocked up his own R colleague Paul Laxalt’s daughter, it was clear to me that misconduct was deeply entrenched everywhere in the capital.

    The difference is the Left has taken to using sexual misconduct accusations against the Right proactively and tactically, with no return fire from the Right. (Indeed, misconduct is not even necessary. Recall that Obama won his Senate seat when Jack Ryan was accused of having sex with his own wife—actress Jerry Ryan.)

    To neutralize the threat, the Right would need to strike a “balance of terror.”
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  58. How do you account for Ron Unz being far more hyper-critical of the Jew than you are, Steve?

    How do you account for ten years of pan handling your basic 3 pea trick bullshit whilst others have died by the sword of honour in your absence?

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  59. notice says:

    They are about to demand a special prosecutor for the sexual harassment allegations against Trump according to Laura Ingram (on Fox last night), so that he can be “tried” in congress. . There are supposedly some 16 accusers. I think I see a new avenue of Den/RINO attacks on traditional conservatives: find women he has worked with in the past, and then pay them to make an accusation right before the primary against whatever GOPe candidate. Remember folks; Dems/NeoCons will stoop to anything. Slander doesn’t even make their consciences itch, much less pang. Moore’s second accuser’s own stepson says she is lying and voted for Moore.

    If you have a skeleton in your closet, let somebody else run. These opposition research firms are sure to find it.

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  60. Luke Lea says:

    It was a rare chance for Democratic voters in overwhelmingly Republican Alabama to actually make a difference. I imagine they turned out in larger numbers than usual.

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  61. Hey, Steve, write a post about the high IQ destiny of Israel being the rightful capital of Washington

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  62. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Republican senators will now see one of their own exploit that single vote majority to extract favors, promises and legislative pork. The tail wags the dog again.

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  63. @reiner Tor
    I don’t like Alabama voters that much at the moment. Apparently they didn’t read my endorsement of Moore here.

    In any event, probably Trump’s cucking (i.e. becoming Dubya II with tax cuts and wars around the world) didn’t help them, though.

    “””
    In any event, probably Trump’s cucking (i.e. becoming Dubya II with tax cuts and wars around the world) didn’t help them, though.
    “””

    Which has surprised me not at all.

    It turns out, for the 2016 election, I knew people who knew the Clinton and the Trump families very well.

    As far as Trump goes, I knew a lawyer who did legal for for Fred Trump for several decades. I mean, this was someone who knew the insides of the Trump business like the back of his hand.

    Leading up to the election, I kept getting emails from this guy’s son-in-law, who is someone I know extremely well. Every email was along the lines of “Donald Trump is a crook” or “Donald Trump is a con man”.

    The people I knew who knew the inner workings of the Trump business voted for Hillary Clinton.

    I held my nose and voted for Hillary Clinton. I firmly believed that Trump’s alt-right leanings were a con, and that he would govern like a Bush.

    I have stated in other places (such as a letter of mine that was on the VDARE web site) that if Trump turned out NOT to be a con man, and if he governed the way he promised, I would vote for his re-election. If he wound up as a noisier JEB, I would vote for whatever crap weasel the Democrats come up with.

    So, how’s the RAISE Act going?
    Or how about DACA?
    Or replacing Obamacare with something better?
    Or a tax plan that doesn’t just let the elites continue their pillage of our country?
    Oh, and did you notice the tax breaks for golf course owners and real estate developers? Gee, I wonder who THAT helps?

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    And Hillary Clinton would have meant more foreign (and lost) wars, more Third-World immigration (lots and lots more), more affirmative action and other anti-white, especially anti-white male, policies. If you think PC is authoritarian now, under Hillary we would move to the totalitarian stage. Oh, and by now she'd have appointed far-left loons to secure all of the above constitutionally through two Supreme Court nominations (cancer-stricken Ginsberg would have resigned, secure in the knowledge that she'd be replaced by someone even further to the extreme left than her).

    At least Trump spared us from all of the above. But, of course, you support all of the above in its entirety - that's why you're butthurt Trump won.

    And he's done some good stuff: Immigration is down; the Muslim travel ban has been upheld by the Supreme Court and so far, barring a dumbass missile strike in Syria, we've had no new wars.

    Whatever his flaws, thank God Trump won.
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  64. White Core Americans(WCAs) will have to militarize to protect their political interests. WCAs will have to vote politicians into power who will create a separate military command devoted exclusively to the interests of regular White Core Americans. Think big.

    Upper Middle Class Whitey has joined forces with the plutocrats and Democrats to crush ordinary White Core Americans. The Democrats have created a coalitional creature that benefits Upper Middle Class Whites, White government workers, Blacks, Jews, Mestizos, Asians and other non-Whites. This coalition will be the cause of Civil War II.

    Perhaps this new military structure can be called the White Core American Patriots. History tells us that it always comes down to a fight.

    Upper Middle Class Whites and plutocrats have been the biggest beneficiary of the monetary extremism of the Federal Reserve Bank. The Plutocrats and Upper Middle Class Whites have control of most of the assets that have enjoyed massive price increases because of the monetary extremism policy of the Fed. White Core Americans of modest means have been slammed by this.

    The Republican Party will not be able to attract the moderate income Whites who still vote Democrat if the GOP is still controlled by plutocrats, transnational corporations and Upper Middle Class Whites.

    IMMIGRATION will be the issue and the battlefield for the White Core American Patriots military to win control of the American Empire.

    Remember, many of us voted for President Trump to be a wrecking ball. Perhaps the wrecking ball will be the upcoming global financial implosion, but Trump hasn’t even engaged in the mass firing of Deep State government workers that is the true meaning of “drain the swamp.”

    DEBT and DEMOGRAPHY are the whole ballgame. A politician who ain’t talking about debt and demography is a nasty whore for the current ruling class.

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  65. Deep US South White Evangelical Zio-Christianity is a gutter religion…..it’s core “spiritual values” are 1)worship Israel….2)shrieck like a girl: “WHAT A STUD ROLL TIDE!!!! TYRONE!!! every Saturday in the Fall…3)Babs and Chip adopting infant future Roll Tide!!! Tyrones!!!….4)Cannon Fodder for OUR FRIEND ISRAEL!!!

    I support the Christian Russian Military Conquest and Russian Christian conquest of Alabama…drive the White Zio-Christian imbeciles out of Alabama…….so Alabama can finally be a real-authentic White Christian State…or else it’s:ALAH….BAMA comming soon after Tuesday…..Nov 3 2020….

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    I support the Christian Russian Military Conquest and Russian Christian conquest of Alabama…drive the White Zio-Christian imbeciles out of Alabama…….so Alabama can finally be a real-authentic White Christian State…or else it’s:ALAH….BAMA comming soon after Tuesday…..Nov 3 2020….
     
    What a drooler. Russia can't even conquer Ukraine, more or less its own territory. You'll be waiting a while for them to conquer Alabama.
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  66. Open Thread on Alabama Election

    Is an open thread something like a hanging chad?

    It sounds more like an Irish pennant.

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  67. @reiner Tor
    If I have two alt-right candidates, I'll always choose the one untainted by sexual scandals (or any other scandals), probably even if the tainted guy is a little more solid on the issues. In the case of a near alt-right candidate with a scandal and a normie Uniparty candidate without a scandal I would always go for the near alt-right candidate, regardless of the scandal. I'd vote for the guy who hit the woman with his car in Charlottesville over a normie candidate, even though I think he's a stupid aggressive nutcase with anger management issues and I think he's guilty of manslaughter. Of course, I'd be happier if I had a better alt-right(ish) candidate, but it's not like we can be choosy.

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don't want tax cuts for the rich, nor more Middle Eastern wars (nor a Second Korean War, This Time with Nukes), and so probably weren't very motivated to vote for him based on the issues alone.

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don’t want tax cuts for the rich…

    In global terms, Alabama’s “lower class whites” are very much part of the rich.

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    And in terms of US federal personal income tax brackets?
    , @Autochthon
    In global terms (to borrow a hackneyed and torturous phrase) the most no one gives a hoot in Hell about Alabama's poor white people (previously known simply as "Alabamans"); hence these folks reciprocate by not assessing their welfare and basing their political decisions upon their wealth vis-a-vis global terms.

    "Things are rough in the Congo or Bangladesh? Bummer. The Congolese and Bangladeshis should work to fix those problems; I wish them all success. I'm concerned with my own lot."

    This approach used to be called sensible; minding one's own business.
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  68. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No evidence has been adduced against Moore Nor does it matter. Like it or not, the allegations and innuendo (however tenuous) were “out there” and given the current zeitgeist that’s all that counts. Perversely, it was better for the GOP that he lost. At least the voters made the decision, rightly or wrongly, and not Big Media (which would have been the case had he won). The GOP will have a hard enough time trying to defend the REAL target, Don Trump, without having to justify Moore.

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  69. Moore lost 72% white Madison County 57 to 40. Trump won that by 55 to 38. Looks like upscale white moderates aren’t very impressed by Steve Bannon’s candidate selection.

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    Madison County includes Huntsville with its rocket scientists.
    , @istevefan

    Looks like upscale white moderates aren’t very impressed by Steve Bannon’s candidate selection.
     
    Can you tell me what candidate on Earth, not named Donald Trump, could have won that election after the Washington Post story broke in November and his party not only dumped him, but actively joined in the media chorus for him to lose?

    People are now complaining that Moore was a bad candidate because of the circus created out of the WaPo story. Yet prior to that piece Moore was a shoo-in. And prior to that piece there were no stories about such behavior, else they most certainly would have been used to smear Moore during his '10 Commandment' days and during his primary run.

    This was a professional hit job the likes of which I've never seen. My main question at this point are who was behind it, the democrats or the GOPe?

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  70. Live by identity politics, die by identity politics.

    Moore’s identity politics were: “I’m a white conservative fundamentalist Christian Republican”.

    That is usually enough to win in Alabama.

    There were two big factors.

    First, as others have pointed out, this being a close election energized people who were NOT white, and/or NOT conservative Republicans and/or NOT fundamentalist Christians.

    Second, when one behaves in a way of which white conservative fundamentalist Christians may disapprove, don’t be surprised when many of them stay home or cast a protest write-in ballot. Saying “I never met her” and then having a yearbook entry you signed may strike some as bearing false witness.

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    Well stated, Paleo.

    I'm guessing a lot of Alabaman whites who stayed home didn't want the Democrat but also didn't want to be embarrassed by such a stereotypical white hypocrite straight outta central casting.

    At least Bill Maher (who I used to like but now find insufferable) will be disappointed over having one less Southern state to disparage.
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  71. Clyde says:

    Alabama is one of our top five conservative states and they just elected an ultra-liberal. This will embolden the gals to try harder to take down DJT via harassment accusations. This also boosts the inexecrable Kamala Harris for a 2020 run at the Presidency as part of an overall realignment of female power vs male power. With all these male chefs, actors, pols getting booted the feminists are are on a roll. And you pick-up artist jamokes are next!

    I am woman
    I am invincible
    I am strong
    I am woman

    ____________________________

    I Am Woman (1972) by Helen Reddy

    Oh yes I am wise
    But it’s wisdom born of pain
    Yes, I’ve paid the price
    But look how much I gained
    If I have to I can face anything
    I am strong (strong)
    I am invincible (invincible)
    I am woman
    Oh, I am woman
    I am invincible
    I am strong

    I am woman
    I am invincible
    I am strong
    I am woman

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  72. Steve, at what stage did you decide that it was more profitable to stop being a crypto a jew and outwardly promoting Isrealie causes whilst simultaneously laffing at the ineptness of White goy repsonses to their enslavement?

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  73. This is from BRIGHT, the daily newsletter from The Federalist‘s feminine side:

    No Moore Problems for the GOP

    Despite showing up on horseback to vote, Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore lost the special election to Democrat candidate Doug Jones.

    The defeat in the deep red state is a minor blow to President Donald Trump, and reduces the Republican Senate majority from 52 to 51, but many who feared a Moore victory would create Moore problems for the GOP are breathing a yuge sigh of relief this morning.

    Bright prospects, eh? Moore is our Franken, thus, we have a lighter load without him.

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    Bright prospects, eh? Moore is our Franken, thus, we have a lighter load without him.
     
    It doesn't matter. The very fact that he ran as a Republican and that the Republican Party (eventually, grudgingly) supported him will be trotted out at every opportunity. He'll be the 3rd Senator from Alabama.
    , @Verymuchalive
    The hackette responsible for BRIGHT is one Gracy Olmstead. Prim and proper ? Yes - and this is surely a crime in any journalist. But much worse - she's Rod Dreher in a blouse.
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  74. Sailer says:

    Sorry, I wasn’t paying much attention.

    I wasn’t either. Although a peckerwood from Alabama that I read on Twitter was convinced Moore would win.

    I want the GOP to pass the frigging tax bill so they can get back to the bloody civil war ripping the Republican Party to pieces. That will be worth paying attention to.

    The Federal Reserve Bank is trying to “normalize” the federal funds rate while sloughing off some worthless toxic mortgage backed securities from its balance sheet; that is worth paying attention to.

    Upper Middle Class Whitey and Blacks. Upper Middle Class Whitey(UMCW) is now using the accusation of racism against White Core Americans of modest means to deflect from the economic globalizer thievery engaged in by the UMCWs.

    Alabama and its election results are connected to the rise of the Alternative for Deutschland Party. How so?

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  75. Mr. Anon says:
    @27 year old

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    I think this analysis is wrong, or at least, doesn't apply to Moore. He didn't lose for being "odd" he lost because they called him a child rapist. What about him was "odd"? For that matter, what about him was alt-right? He's not a normie, but he was a hardcore Christian.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as "sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo".

    Thats not "well he's antiestablishment so he's got to be a little odd". A little odd is like he wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z in the early 2000s or being a young earth creationist. They slandered him by accusing him of multiple child rapes.

    He didn't run on an alt right platform, or even a partway alt right platform. He ran on "I will vote for Trump's agenda". 60 million Americans voted for Trump's Agenda, too. That's tens of millions of people who are not in the least bit odd.

    This has been disjointed but what I'm trying to say is - I don't agree with "he was alt right so of course he had weird shit in his past". He didn't run on alt right ism, he ran on Trump's 2016 campaign promises and trying to date legal teens in the 1970s is not weird shit in the way you're implying it is.

    Agree. There was nothing remotely “alt-right” about Moore.

    Moore was a flawed candidate for any number of reasons, not the least of which is that he’s a grand-stander and a Prima Donna. He’s more interested in being the hero of his own little story than he is in getting something substantive done.

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  76. Mr. Anon says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    This is from BRIGHT, the daily newsletter from The Federalist's feminine side:

    No Moore Problems for the GOP

    Despite showing up on horseback to vote, Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore lost the special election to Democrat candidate Doug Jones.

    The defeat in the deep red state is a minor blow to President Donald Trump, and reduces the Republican Senate majority from 52 to 51, but many who feared a Moore victory would create Moore problems for the GOP are breathing a yuge sigh of relief this morning.
     

    Bright prospects, eh? Moore is our Franken, thus, we have a lighter load without him.

    Bright prospects, eh? Moore is our Franken, thus, we have a lighter load without him.

    It doesn’t matter. The very fact that he ran as a Republican and that the Republican Party (eventually, grudgingly) supported him will be trotted out at every opportunity. He’ll be the 3rd Senator from Alabama.

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    He’ll be the 3rd Senator from Alabama.
     
    I thought that was Jeff Sessions.

    Actually, Sessions and Richard Shelby committed an offense against women far worse than some aging virgin bachelor asking a teenager on a date. They voted for the defense bill which would have tossed women into the Selective Service grinder.

    Was Moore's position on that ever inquired of?
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  77. Alabamians will go for half-baked Baptist integralism, but not, it seems, for a half-baked Baptist integralist who sniffs around teenaged girls. If the Democrats weren’t utterly incapable of nominating a candidate who deviates from pro-abortion orthodoxy, this wouldn’t have been close.

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  78. This peckerwood from Alabama is pissed at Upper Middle Class Whitey in the GOP.

    My father was a peckerwood. Peckerwood simply means rural White Southerner. Peckerwoods are good honest people who have been targeted for destruction by the globalizer rats in the evil ruling class of the American Empire.

    Pissed Off Peckerwood From Alabama:

    https://twitter.com/occdissent/status/940790145359458304

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  79. Tiny Duck says:

    white men voted for the pedophile by 70%.

    Why do white Christian men hate America?

    People of Color saved the world yet again

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    Ohs Tinys…..memeber when dey said our luv wud pedofillya….we'n got truden's dat!


    -Lenert "luvs him sum Tinys" PizzTTss
    , @Autochthon
    That word does not mean what you think it means. Even if the allegations are true, the guy was not chasing after eight-year-olds. The repeated misused of the term may have served the media's (and your) purpose, though.
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  80. Travis says:
    @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    We should not label men who date 15, 16, 17 , 18 and 19 year-olds as pedophiles. Elvis Presley was never considered a pedo , despite dating several 14 year-old girls when he was 25. The age of consent in the majority of states is still 16. Only one of the Roy Moore “accusers” was under the age of consent and none of the “accusers” claim he had sex with them. 8 of the 9 of the “accusers” were over the age of consent and claim they dated Moore and he was a gentleman , only going as far as kissing them.
    Not too long ago , from 1944 – 1964 the average age of first marriages in the United States was 19 years-old.

    Judge Moore is certainly not a pedophile and the so-called allegations are from 40 years ago and indicate he was not a sexual predator.. none of the accusers claim he had sex with them.

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  81. Alabama Peckerwood knows the score.

    Alabama Peckerwood sample:

    It is a party with a White working class populist base, but with a suburban upper middle class conservative management agenda. This is how we have mysteriously gone from “Build the Wall” to passing a massive corporate tax cut for wealthy donors. It is why the Republican Party is now turning its attention to entitlement reform after working to defeat Roy Moore in the Alabama Senate race. These three things are connected and illustrate who was really empowered by the 2016 presidential election.

    https://twitter.com/occdissent/status/940832013413740544

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  82. Mr. Anon says:
    @27 year old
    The GOP establishment are still all in on anti-Trump. He thus far has not taken over/transformed/shifted the party.

    Moore did 70% among Whites. But he and the GOP did not do enough to get them to show up. I don't think even Trump got that high of a White share. Dems went hard with black celebrities and misleading ads to max black turnout.

    The process of canceling the 2016 election will pick up steam, at least in the minds of the #resistance. More impeachment talk and Mueller stuff.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    The enemy has a playbook, but is it repeatable? They used fake news about sex stuff plus a full nationwide media press on tiny little Alabama. They can make stuff up about all the 2018 candidates, but the country can't do a month of sustained hate/interest in all of them at the same time.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    Drudge is an old-fashioned tabloid journalist. He likes controversy – buzz – and he fans it for the clicks. I don’t think he has any particular animus against Bannon. Bannon screwed up in backing Moore. He’s going to have to take his licks.

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  83. Mr. Anon says:

    Moore lost by 1.5%. Write-ins totaled 1.7%. I suspect the write-ins were almost all from Republican voters. Had they not written-in, Moore might have won, although not by enough to have a avoided a mandatory recount.

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  84. George says:

    Was Roy Moore ‘alt right’ in any way? He seemed more like a colorful sort of wingnut. On ‘invite the world’ he did not seem much different than other Rs and on ‘invade the world’ he seemed the same as other Rs. Other than his colorfulness, and maybe his offering nothing to Blacks, what was the attraction?

    Would establishment republican Luther Strange have worked out better? What would he have done if elected.

    Doug Jones seems like a conventional D. So I guess Obama(Romney)Care is safe for a while, which given the alternative proposed by the Rs is not a bad thing.

    As far as alt right issues:

    Alabama at this point is not self sufficient in STEM so Alabama cannot do much to stop immigration in that area. I am assuming Alabama does not really need immigrants in other areas, but that might not be true.

    Alabama would have a painful adjustment if the forever war ended, so I don’t see Alabama doing much to stop it, not that any state is.

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  85. jim jones says:

    The DM is ecstatic that Trump`s boy lost, confirming my belief that they are run by “you know who”

    https://imgur.com/a/qY1Cn

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  86. @27 year old

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    I think this analysis is wrong, or at least, doesn't apply to Moore. He didn't lose for being "odd" he lost because they called him a child rapist. What about him was "odd"? For that matter, what about him was alt-right? He's not a normie, but he was a hardcore Christian.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as "sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo".

    Thats not "well he's antiestablishment so he's got to be a little odd". A little odd is like he wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z in the early 2000s or being a young earth creationist. They slandered him by accusing him of multiple child rapes.

    He didn't run on an alt right platform, or even a partway alt right platform. He ran on "I will vote for Trump's agenda". 60 million Americans voted for Trump's Agenda, too. That's tens of millions of people who are not in the least bit odd.

    This has been disjointed but what I'm trying to say is - I don't agree with "he was alt right so of course he had weird shit in his past". He didn't run on alt right ism, he ran on Trump's 2016 campaign promises and trying to date legal teens in the 1970s is not weird shit in the way you're implying it is.

    wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z i

    M

    TMI, 27 year old. T. M. I.

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  87. @Reg Cæsar

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don’t want tax cuts for the rich...
     
    In global terms, Alabama's "lower class whites" are very much part of the rich.

    And in terms of US federal personal income tax brackets?

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    The point is, when you go on and on about "taxing the rich", you'll find out soon enough that that includes you. The states first in line to ratify the Sixteenth Amendment were the ones pushing the Liberty Amendment fifty years later. But it was too late.
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  88. The hot takes seem to be the END OF BANNON, ignoring that Bannon didn’t hold a gun to McConnell’s head and tell him to light a fire to 50-100 million dollars (seen sources saying both) in order to defeat Mo Brooks in the primary.

    Also ignored is the Bush Mafia’s complicity in forging that yearbook. Considering how little the Left and Cucks learn from when their shit goes WRONG, you better believe its gonna be all yearbooks, all the time from here on out.

    Another hot take to look at: why is the media claiming BLACK WOMEN BEAT MOORE? There’s some wacky voting metrics with the amount of blacks showing up in an off year election to vote for a SF style white guy. If anyone questions the Chicago style vote counting, expect the media to run with “Republicans trying to steal Rosa Park’s vote!”.

    Probably the most honest take is that the Left got its Scott Brown. Woo.

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    I already used up my current "Agree."

    Well said.
    , @istevefan

    Also ignored is the Bush Mafia’s complicity in forging that yearbook. Considering how little the Left and Cucks learn from when their shit goes WRONG, you better believe its gonna be all yearbooks, all the time from here on out.
     
    For anyone who doubts this, look at CNN's original tweet of the yearbook. I use this link because if I linked to any other source people would claim the photo had been doctored. But this photo is the one put out by CNN.

    After opening the tweet, click on the right-hand photo to enlarge it. Notice the ink coloration? People mistakenly suggested two different colored inks were used. But that is not the case because it would have been easily spotted as a hack job. The better explanation I have found is that they used what they believed to have been the same color ink. But the newer ink has a different chemical formula than the original from 1977. So the two inks reflect light differently and the camera angle of the freeze-frame caught it. The naked eye probably could not have caught it.

    Anyway it looks suspicious enough to at least demand an impartial party have access to determine if it is different. At the very least it should not be used to help railroad a guy out of town.

    Additionally there is the suspicious signature with "DA" following his name. As stated above Moore's explanation that his judicial clerk, whose initials were DA, did this after stamping his name to legal docs makes sense. Given that Ms Nelson appeared before Moore in a divorce case and had such a doc with that stamp and initials, it further merits independent examination before condemning the guy.

    Keep in mind the yearbook is immaterial about whether or not assault was committed. However, because Ms Nelson introduced it to cement her case, any indication of fraud should totally destroy her credibility.

    Too bad Rush, Hannity and others refused to push on this specific item. They were too afraid of being wrong. I don't see why. We are supposed to suss out the truth and should not be punished for doing so.
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  89. @Busby
    Rick Wilson is being feted for some final week television commercials that have his fan boys all atwitter.
    His response is a model of post modern modesty, "Gee. Aw shucks, I was just doing my patriotic duty."

    Like Ramsay McDonald, he is a modest man with much to be modest about.

    Like Ramsay McDonald, he is a modest man with much to be modest about.

    iirc Churchill said that about Clement Attlee, the post-war Labour pm.

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    That supposed Churchill quote was relayed by Clark Clifford but does not reflect reality. Churchill respected Attlee a lot for his work as Deputy Prime Minister in the coalition government during the war years. He looked after domestic concerns while Churchill focused on the war and diplomacy. Without his support for Churchill's desire to fight on after the defeat of France, the British may have agreed peace terms with Hitler.
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  90. @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way.

    Why? Don’t see one following from the other.
    After Trump set the stage, someone espousing his views doesn’t have to be an independent thinker anymore, or even more than a little bit brave. Just has to follow Trump.

    Drudge may have a point that Moore was a little too crazy, even quite apart from the sexual mumbo-jumbo. The Democrats also voted in unprecedented numbers.

    A tactical defeat is not the worst thing in the course of a long campaign; it offers the opportunity for self-criticism and course-correction.

    If the economy continues to soar over 2018, the Democrats continue with the crazy, and the Republicans present at least some semblance of a united front under Trump, the 2018 midterms could bring the essential dismantling of the Democratic party. Even if the Republicans do poorly in 2018, Trump would still have a chance for reelection in 2020 – like Reagan in 1984, Clinton in 1996 and W in 2004.

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  91. Ian M. says:
    @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    Our governing class will not stop the rot if they are rotten themselves.

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  92. Anon7 says:

    I’m wondering if the harassment issue will jump the shark short of Trump’s impeachment. As you recall, we haven’t renamed all of the stuff named after slave holders like Washington and Jefferson, or taken down all their statues and monuments, in spite of all the BLM vitriol of last summer. The media machine might be fanning these flames too soon.

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  93. Virginia Dare and Hunter Wallace and the ghost of Sam Francis.

    Merry Christmas To Everyone — Except for the GOP globalizer rats who push mass immigration, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams and endless, overseas Neo-Conservative wars.

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  94. Bugg says:

    Trump is still leading the MFM around like a cats following a laser pointer. But cannot help but think he would be much more effective if he toned it down a bit. Obama got away with a lot more than he should have. And he did because while his policies were leftist nonsense, he was polite and presentable. He was no different than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, but looking good in a suit and nonthreatening went a long way.

    Ann Coulter has said this, as have others; the GOP is always better off with a mild but conservative guy rather than an actual Jesus freak snakehandler. Even in the deep south, this is a less religious country than ever. The whole Jesus! riff only goes so far. Those people are voting for you anyway. There are white middle and working class people who get turned off by that act. Looks a lot like Jerry lee Lewis’s cousin,Jimmy Swaggart; how many more shoes would drop had Moore won? And in this case Alabama stupidly did not vote for a guy who fit the bill, Mo Brooks, in the primary.

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  95. Ian M. says:
    @27 year old

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    I think this analysis is wrong, or at least, doesn't apply to Moore. He didn't lose for being "odd" he lost because they called him a child rapist. What about him was "odd"? For that matter, what about him was alt-right? He's not a normie, but he was a hardcore Christian.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as "sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo".

    Thats not "well he's antiestablishment so he's got to be a little odd". A little odd is like he wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z in the early 2000s or being a young earth creationist. They slandered him by accusing him of multiple child rapes.

    He didn't run on an alt right platform, or even a partway alt right platform. He ran on "I will vote for Trump's agenda". 60 million Americans voted for Trump's Agenda, too. That's tens of millions of people who are not in the least bit odd.

    This has been disjointed but what I'm trying to say is - I don't agree with "he was alt right so of course he had weird shit in his past". He didn't run on alt right ism, he ran on Trump's 2016 campaign promises and trying to date legal teens in the 1970s is not weird shit in the way you're implying it is.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as “sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo”.

    Is the allegation of raping a 14-year-old credible?

    Someone in his thirties trying to date 16-year-olds (or whatever it was) is odd behavior though, regardless of whether they were legal or not. That’s not normal behavior. I have no idea if the allegations are credible though, I haven’t followed the story.

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  96. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In retrospect he wasn’t a good candidate. Next time they should slate someone not only less strange but younger so they could stick around for a few terms.

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  97. Okie44 says:

    It would have been a lot wiser to have picked Andrew McCarthy for AG, and left Sessions in the Senate, where he could have been much more influential.

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  98. Fresh from victory, it will be interesting to see if the Democrats double down on the witch hunt and start increasing the number fake up sexual harassment / racial discrimination charges against their political opponents. It certainly was not the only reason Moore lost but in the short run there seems to be very little downside. Trump will be the next target now that the Mueller probe seems to be falling apart. Like all cultural revolutions and moral panics everyone eventually becomes over exposed and then burnt out for at least a generation or two.

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    They already started re-doubling down after Franken announced his intent to resign.

    At this morning's hearing with DAG Rosenstein, most of the Democrats asked him whether he was ready now to sic DOJ on Trump for sexual "assault" or whatever. One particularly dumb CBC member kept asking if he or the accusers could formally register a complaint, and Rosenstein kept politely saying, any citizen can report what they believe to be a Federal crime to the FBI. The esteemed congressman apparently doesn't know the difference between a tort and a crime nor between a Federal crime and a state crime.
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  99. @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    What Moore was accused of is not pedophilia.

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  100. @27 year old

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    I think this analysis is wrong, or at least, doesn't apply to Moore. He didn't lose for being "odd" he lost because they called him a child rapist. What about him was "odd"? For that matter, what about him was alt-right? He's not a normie, but he was a hardcore Christian.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as "sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo".

    Thats not "well he's antiestablishment so he's got to be a little odd". A little odd is like he wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z in the early 2000s or being a young earth creationist. They slandered him by accusing him of multiple child rapes.

    He didn't run on an alt right platform, or even a partway alt right platform. He ran on "I will vote for Trump's agenda". 60 million Americans voted for Trump's Agenda, too. That's tens of millions of people who are not in the least bit odd.

    This has been disjointed but what I'm trying to say is - I don't agree with "he was alt right so of course he had weird shit in his past". He didn't run on alt right ism, he ran on Trump's 2016 campaign promises and trying to date legal teens in the 1970s is not weird shit in the way you're implying it is.

    a child rapist

    that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s

    Nope. Full stop. He was accused of getting down to underwear with the girl, making out a bit, and then immediately stopping and taking her home when she got uncomfortable.

    Even aside from the fact that the girls’ story was falling apart due to inaccuracies and impossibilities in the details, that’s not rape.

    None of the allegations involved child rape. Can we at least use accurate terms here, instead of leftist propaganda?

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    He was accused of getting down to underwear with the girl, making out a bit, and then immediately stopping and taking her home when she got uncomfortable.
     
    Still pretty messed up.
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  101. No one on the Republican side looks good here. The establishment backed Strange because he was part of the establishment. The non-establishment voted for a kook like Moore instead of a saner conservative like Mo Brooks, I guess because Brooks was Mormon.

    But once Moore was the nominee they should never have listened to any last minute character assassination by a bunch of women – and their pupetmasters in the MSM – who could’ve made their accusations over a decade ago but instead waited until Moore had faced the voters in both a primary and a runoff. And the whole MSM – the MSM that supported Ted Kennedy in seven elections after he left Mary Jo Kopechne to die – was telling Alabama voters they’d have to be a bunch of rednecks to vote for the guy.

    Until the Republican establishment begins to realize it has to do more for its conservative voters than sing them lullabies it is going to keep seeing races such as this. And Stephen Bannon has nothing to apologize for.

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  102. Sam Davis says:

    white women with college degrees pretty much did Moore in from the data I can see.

    white men w/ degree: 64-32% Moore
    white men w/o degree: 81-16% Moore
    white women w/ degree: 54-43% Moore
    white women w/0 degree: 74-24% Moore

    he was an awful candidate, and not it any way alt-right, imo. he is a hardcore Christian who only cares about gay people. Mo Brooks would have won by a landslide, but the GOPe wouldn’t allow that, thus we have a Democrat in Alabama.

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    white women w/ degree: 54-43% Moore

     

    The demographic most likely to find Moore 'icky'?
    , @Ed
    These are actually pretty good exits that don’t show any erosion in Trump’s base among those that showed up. The problem is Moore galvanized his opponents to show up more than Trump’s base.

    He was just a bad candidate, Trump’s rally actually brought him back into a tie according to Jones’ internals, before Jones was up. Moore promptly spends the last week going missing and only shows up to do the Bannon event.
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  103. @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    “I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way.”

    What’s odd is what the MSM decides is odd. Devout Christian? Odd. Hardcore drag queen sleeping with 10 different men in a week? Perfectly normal. Devout believer of violent 6th Century religion who forces his wife to wear a burqua? Why he’s what America is all about!

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  104. AndrewR says:

    I never liked Moore to begin with. Bible beaters are as bad as SJWs, although admittedly less powerful at the moment.

    My money is on all the accusations being accurate. But, if they all turn out to be fabricated, that still won’t be the most astounding conspiracy to have ever succeeded.

    I know nothing about Jones, although I cannot respect any white man who chooses to affiliate with the Democrats in 2017. The lack of self-respect needed for such an affiliation is unfathomable to me.

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  105. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Now there is no excuse for Franken to wait before resigning.

    Even if Franken isn’t a rapist, he could be. He is definitely a creep. Gotta go.

    The Congressional Republicans need to remember Ted Kennedy.

    Not for that reason. Because the Dems had the votes to cram through whatever health care bill they wanted and instead ended up with the worst possible compromise. All because Ted got brain cancer and the Dems thought they owned Mass.

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  106. Moore was already so unpopular in Alabama that he came within 4 points of losing a previous statewide election:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/08/how-to-beat-roy-moore-bob-vance-287124?platform=hootsuite

    Then he had the sexual predator/ underage sex allegations thrown on top, and lost by 1.5%.

    So what does this mean for the larger electoral picture?

    Maybe nothing?

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  107. EH says:

    Quite a bit of that 7:1 outspending of Moore by Jones is said to have gone to busing Black voters to the polls, where they voted 95% for Jones, despite not so long ago 60% of Blacks not being aware there was even an election. Jones got about 90% as many votes as Hillary, Moore got about half the votes Trump did in 2016. Fraud in the late-reporting big blue counties is also likely – waiting to find out how much they needed to stuff.

    The ruling against preserving electronic records by the Alabama Supreme Court is said to be with Moore’s consent, the electronic records are said to be pictures of paper ballots, the paper ballots themselves are preserved for recount.

    Military and provisional ballots still remain to be counted.

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  108. A number of takeaways:

    1) True to form, the very last (and very late) votes came in from Democrat-controlled areas and, by some strange coincidence, managed to put the Dem over the line. Goodness, fancy that! Seriously, we’re being asked to believe that blacks turned out by as much as 77% to vote for a no-name paleface in an off-year, while the whites all stayed at home. I’m seeing claims of the black turnout exceeding the white one by 20% — in a special election. Yeah, that’s totally credible — not.

    2) As usual, the Republican Establishment was useless. The charges against Moore came from two accusers, one of whom admitted to fabricating the evidence against him. Apparently, that was good enough to throw Moore under a bus. Morality, you see. After all, we all remember how the Democrats threw Ted Kennedy under a bus after he drowned Mary Jo Kopechne. Oh, wait a minute, they didn’t! The Republicans had the slimmest of majorities in the Senate and they’ve made it slimmer. The “stupid party” doesn’t even begin to cover it.

    3) The media proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they are the propaganda wing of the Democratic Party (for, like, the 50 millionth time).

    So basically, same old, same old. One final point, however:

    4) I like Trump, I want him to win a second term, but he needs to raise his game. He should have moved on the wall and DACA already. Instead we’ve got tax cuts for the very rich and yet more concessions to the Likud Lobby. Had the wall been under construction and DACA terminated, he could have gone to Alabama with the message that failing to vote for Moore endangered that agenda. I know Trump didn’t want Moore, but at least he understood why a Republican win was needed. Given the stakes, he needed to do more — especially as the Establishment Republicans weren’t going to do anything.

    If anyone has the information, I’m curious — by how much did the Dems outspend the Republicans on this one? It seems like they pushed the boat out on this one.

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  109. Whiskey says: • Website

    Moore lost BC White women and cucked White men seeking female approval stayed home. Victory for media, Hollywood, Ashley Judd, pussy hats, etc.

    No cared about Wars, since we are not fighting new ones and normie Whites like Israel and detest Muslims. Most also figure government is their enemy existing to take their money and give to non Whites.

    This was all about Moore lacking alpha being old.

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  110. He didn’t do himself any favors by granting an interview to a 12 year old girl days before the election. Nor was his wife’s “we love the Jews, one of our attorneys is a Jew” particularly helpful. A guy who can’t read the landscape and avoid such obvious tone-deaf screwups probably shouldn’t be a US senator.

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  111. @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way.

    There may be something to this. I saw an interesting quote from a psychologist who debriefed Korean war prisoners who had been subjected to brainwashing techniques. He started out thinking that those who had not succumbed would be remarkable, heroic people. In fact he found they were consistently socially awkward, distrustful and unlikable. With hindsight it makes sense, since advanced brainwashing techniques play on our deepest social instincts. Sometimes it helps to be missing a few screws.

    On the other hand it’s easy to point to Steve, Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor and many others as counterexamples. But I’m no sure how well any of them would hold up under the full treatment continually being dished out to Trump and Moore.

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    Exactly. Could you imagine the vitriol that would be hurled at our esteemed leader, Mr. Sailer, if he was to run for political office?
    , @reiner Tor

    Steve, Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor
     
    I think there's a reason they are among the most influential alt-right (or in the case of Steve rather alt-center) authors. But Trump is not exactly of the same erudition as these people.
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  112. JimB says:
    @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    It’s a shame Moore lost. He would have voted reliably for the Trump agenda, which is why the Uniparty is celebrating his defeat. The Globalists have unlimited funds to interfere in state elections, so expect this and the Virginia Gubinatorial election to be a template. Gin up false charges against populist candidates and falsely accuse them of racism and sexual perversion. Heaven forbid the election should be about issues that matter to the lives of voters. Then pad the Democrat immigrant/Hispanic/black margin with felons and illegal aliens.

    Democrats and globalists have been losing the political and cultural argument for decades, but they have been winning elections through sleazy propaganda, which drives down voter turnout except for motivated left wing partisans. Moore was basically defeated by 22,000 felon votes activated in the the weeks before the election. The rural white base was discouraged to vote by illegal Facebook ads indicating that votes were public record, the implication being that when the globalist overlords regain the White House voters could have their taxes audited. Not an unreasonable assumption after Hopey Changey politicized every corner of the Federal bureaucracy, which is why we have Hillary partisans running an FBI investigation into everyone even remotely connected to a populist president.

    We now live in a third world country. Enjoy!

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    We now live in a third world country. Enjoy!
     
    Yesss! And a few more years of global warming/climate change/whatever, we'll have the climate commensurate with a Banana Republic!
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  113. Aside from the obvious, which is that October Surprises are damaging, it appears Roy Moore was not a good candidate.

    He’s apparently widely viewed in Alabama as an annoying grandstander, he was clueless on policy issues (did not know what DACA was!), and for all his testosterone he ran a surprisingly low energy campaign. In the final week he disappeared for several days to visit his alma mater.

    James Kirkpatrick has a special writeup here: http://www.vdare.com/articles/msm-triumphs-as-gop-establishment-sabotages-winnable-alabama-senate-race

    That said, what I will always remember from this race is all the pathetic beta lickspittles who accused Roy Moore of PEDOPHILIA for dating teenagers.

    Heartiste/Roissy posted a photo of a 14 year-old Kim Kardashion on his blog:

    It’s not pedophilia to want to motorboat that.

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    I couldn’t take the hypocrisy, the “teen” and “school girl” genres of porn are staples receiving millions of views.

    Someone is watching these vids and they aren’t all teen boys wanking off. Also you’re right most men looking at the pic of 14 yo Kim and find themselves attracted to it aren’t deviants or guilty of child porn. This country has shifted too far the hysterical norms of women that are prone to shift month to month. A country where homosexuality is lauded and healthy male attraction to the opposite sex is sneered at isn’t long in the making. We’re basically running on fumes.

    That said Moore was just a bad candidate. Jones internals actually had Jones up before Trump’s rally then after it their numbers showed it a dead heat. What does Moore do after the rally? Head to Philly to watch Army/Navy and go missing the last week. Couldn’t muster a visit to the good auxillery ladies in suburban Mobile or Montgomery?

    , @JimB
    O.J. Simpson would agree with you.
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  114. OT, at Harvard:

    During Orientation Week in August of 2016, I was out late drinking in Harvard Square with two classmates. The topic switched to the women in our class. Over the drunken hum of the bar’s collective conversation, one guy proposed the “hottest” girls in our class. The other did the same. They both then asked me to rank the girls in our cohort in the order I wanted to get with. My alarmed heart bolted blood to my cheeks. I crossed my arms, unable to speak. “Are we making you uncomfortable?” one asked me. I cannot remember my exact response. But it was not: “Yes. Objectifying women, even though it seems harmless to you, demeans them and creates an environment that makes sexual assault more likely.” Instead, I uncrossed my arms, I shook my head, and yes, I discussed which girls were hot.

    Our Best and Brightest at their very Best and Brightest.

    It’s not who they are! (Bodice ripping edition — follow the blood bolting heart!)

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/39937/

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  115. Polynices says:

    Eh. It was pretty close despite everything. This is very much one of those political events where absolutely any outcome could be spun in whatever direction is convenient to the speaker.

    Trump was terrible! Moore was terrible! McConnell was terrible! Democrats are terrible! If only [fill-in-the-blank] was less terrible or did what I prefer, Moore would have won!

    But it was actually close. Shouldn’t overinterpret.

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  116. istevefan says:
    @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    There is a story about Lyndon Johnson. Supposedly he once told an aid to tell the press that one of his opponents had sex with a horse. The aid replied, “we can’t do that, you just made that up.”

    LBJ then apparently said, “I know. I just want to see that SOB deny it in public.”

    Well I think something similar happened to Moore. And the GOP, along with our conservative media went along with it.

    Recall that soon after the story broke Sean Hannity attempted to defend Moore. But he immediately faced a backlash by advertisers who were swamped from Media Matters and the like. Hannity got spooked and then in fact became an inquisitor on Moore. He made demands that Moore disprove the allegations and then grilled him in an interview.

    From that point on neither Hannity nor Rush supported the guy. They didn’t oppose him either, but they never really tried to push for Moore and never called for examination of the yearbook and other suspicious items. And the GOP abandoned him by pulling funds and publicly announcing their support for his opponent.

    I am from Missouri and didn’t know much about Moore except from his ’10 Commandment’ days as a judge. So I was surprised that 40-year old accusations would suddenly surface on a man who has been a lightening rod for the past 20 years, just weeks before the Senate election when it was too late to remove his name from the ballot. It is not for nothing that Missouri is called the “Show Me” state.

    A cursory review of the so called charges made me think Moore was getting railroaded.

    1) The original article that featured the misconduct with the 14 yr old was ‘padded’ with three other girls who were making ZERO accusations against Moore. They claimed they dated him when they were of legal age. You might not like a 32 year old dating someone at legal age, but if that is a problem change the legal age to 21. By padding the story the media then claimed he had multiple accusers.

    2) The woman with the yearbook was sketchy at best. The yearbook she introduced was immaterial to her claim of being assaulted. Whether he signed it or not does not proved assault. But yet she felt the need to produce the yearbook to make her case. Upon casual inspection from the photos available on CNN, it appears the signature area is suspicious. Troubling to me was the fact she had later appeared before Judge Moore in a divorce case and did not request the judge recuse himself. Additionally the Judge’s explanation for his signature with the initials ‘DA’ following it made more sense than the accuser stating Moore signed his name as the county DA when he was not the county DA at that time.

    Yet Rush, Hannity and the GOP did not demand to see the yearbook. If the yearbook was altered, then that accuser’s case falls.

    3) The woman who said Moore groped her in the same room with her mother was easier for me to dismiss. The WaPo had built its case that Moore liked teenage girls. They called him a pedophile which really isn’t the correct term. But they claimed he liked them young. So if that were true, why would he grope a then 28 year old mother of three? To a man who only likes them young, a 28 year old mother of three is not attractive.

    4) We then had people claim that Moore was banned from a Mall and the cops were told to be on the lookout for this child predator. Yet a former mall official denied this and there were no police reports about this. People also repeated the claim that everybody knew Moore “liked them young”. If so why was this never brought out during the most contentious moments of Moore’s career when he was a national story for his refusal to take down the Ten Commandments? It seems odd that a moralizing man, despised by the media, would not have been exposed then when his scalp was worth its weight in gold. No, the story was saved for that rainy day in 2017 when this guy was one month away from winning a Senate seat.

    5) The lady that claimed she went to the movies with Moore as a teenager in 1981 produced a scrapbook that WaPo photographed. This scrapbook had the ticket stubs and the date and name of the guy who took her to the movies in 1981. Roy’s name was on this list. Yet just looking at the photo in the WaPo of her tickets, one immediately sees an orange ticket with the word “Child” printed on it. In America a Child’s ticket is less expensive than a full priced adult ticket and is thus only given to kids under 12. The woman was 18 years old in 1981. Why would she have a “child’s” ticket in her scapbook? To me this appeared suspicious to say the least.

    6) The list goes on. Even the original 14 year old girl has holes in her story. She claimed Moore called her in her room at her house. Her mother claims they did not have a phone in the daughter’s room. Back then phones were something you leased from the local telco and most homes probably had one phone hanging on the kitchen wall, and maybe one in the living room. And the overwhelming majority of people had one phone number even if they had multiple phones.

    I can’t say for sure whether Moore is guilty or not. I don’t have all the evidence and depressingly no one was asking to see any. They all took the accusers’ words because they were partisan democrats and GOPe, or they were too afraid to defend the man in public because of the fear of being tarred as a supporter of a pedophile.

    In the end that is my real concern. We are going to see this play out over and over because the standard is now any charges must be believed, and any questioning of said charges is tantamount to support for rape, abuse, etc.

    As a Missourian I already know how 2018 will play out. Claire McCaskill will find herself in a tight race in October. At the point of no return when the ballots cannot be changed, a few women will come forward to announce that her GOP opponent assaulted them years before. He will then be expected to withdraw and the GOP will abandon him.

    I am sure this will happen in other key races too.

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    As a Missourian I already know how 2018 will play out. Claire McCaskill will find herself in a tight race in October. At the point of no return when the ballots cannot be changed, a few women will come forward to announce that her GOP opponent assaulted them years before. He will then be expected to withdraw and the GOP will abandon him.
     
    Oh bullshit. Is that what happened to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Tom Cotton etc, etc? Of course not. In this case at least, Roy Moore was accused of this or that because he was manifestly guilty. The party needs to do a better job of figuring how get people like Moore, Christine O'Donnell, and Todd Akin out of the race. Let's figure out how to play as a team one time.
    , @reiner Tor
    Sounds plausible. But will the accusations work for several seats at the same time? The media cannot focus on many stories all at once...
    , @bomag

    We are going to see this play out over and over because the standard is now any charges must be believed...
     
    A discussion along the lines here should continue, showing that Moore was maligned. It would lessen similar future attacks.

    The underage sex charge is such a powerful weapon against a political foe that it is bound to be misused.

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  117. schrub says:

    The results of this election are statistically impossible. Moore could only have lost if his white suppporters simply didn’t turn up. In fact they did turn up.

    There has to be other, more devious factors, involved here. Were illegal aliens allowed to vote? Ex cons? Were the votes tampered with? Did people vote multiple times? Were dead people voted? Anybody who knows anything about Chicago politics under the Daly family dynasty knows how easy it is to corrupt an election.

    What was George Soros, along with his virtually unlimited source of funds, doing to influence this election? If he was half as active in Alabama as he has been trying to corrupt politics in Hungary, he was very involved. Was he paying people to vote?

    Deep down this election wasn’t really about Moore. It was about who will control the the next Supreme Court nominations. What was done to Moore by the media resembles the similarly outlandish charges that were leveled against Clarence Thomas during the excruciating ordeal that he had to endure in the run up to the vote on his Supreme Court nomination. Thomas was virtually crucified while the Republican establishment simply stood by in silence. The RINOS disliked him as much as the democrats did.

    And then there is Alabama Senator Richard Shelby who went out of his way to sabotage Moore’s election despite the potentially great effects this might have for the Republican Party in Washington and nationally. Shelby undoubtedly knew how a loss by Moore will now make it virtually impossible for a conservative Supreme Court to be pass muster considering the voting habits of faux Republicans Senators like Susan Collins. Collins will now be even more than willing to vote against any right wing nominees. If any Supreme Court judge now retires his/her replacement, at a bare minimum, will be another David Souter.

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    Any word on how many votes Kristol's McMuffin-style write-in garnered? Between that guy, the felons, bussed in bodies and illegals, well pretty soon you're talking 1-1.5%, safely above the .5% near-miss. Expect this from here on out as SOP. If the candidates don't improve, and can't manage a margin, they will deserve to lose.
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  118. fnn says:

    Mark Steyn is a funny guy:

    https://www.steynonline.com/8325/o-tempora-o-moores

    Unfortunately for him, Moore lacks the nimbleness of Donald Trump, who can skip through fields of lethal mines like a frog skimming lily pads without a care in the world. For all the talk of the new populism, it’s worth remembering that the Trump of 2015 is not of general application: he was a unique combination of brilliant instinct, low cunning, and a celebrity status that made him all but indestructible to the usual cannily timed “dirty tricks” – which is what the Moore story, like the Billy Bush tape, was.

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  119. @Tim Howells

    we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way.
     
    There may be something to this. I saw an interesting quote from a psychologist who debriefed Korean war prisoners who had been subjected to brainwashing techniques. He started out thinking that those who had not succumbed would be remarkable, heroic people. In fact he found they were consistently socially awkward, distrustful and unlikable. With hindsight it makes sense, since advanced brainwashing techniques play on our deepest social instincts. Sometimes it helps to be missing a few screws.

    On the other hand it's easy to point to Steve, Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor and many others as counterexamples. But I'm no sure how well any of them would hold up under the full treatment continually being dished out to Trump and Moore.

    Exactly. Could you imagine the vitriol that would be hurled at our esteemed leader, Mr. Sailer, if he was to run for political office?

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  120. Rod1963 says:
    @27 year old
    The GOP establishment are still all in on anti-Trump. He thus far has not taken over/transformed/shifted the party.

    Moore did 70% among Whites. But he and the GOP did not do enough to get them to show up. I don't think even Trump got that high of a White share. Dems went hard with black celebrities and misleading ads to max black turnout.

    The process of canceling the 2016 election will pick up steam, at least in the minds of the #resistance. More impeachment talk and Mueller stuff.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    The enemy has a playbook, but is it repeatable? They used fake news about sex stuff plus a full nationwide media press on tiny little Alabama. They can make stuff up about all the 2018 candidates, but the country can't do a month of sustained hate/interest in all of them at the same time.

    Without the sex stuff and the GOP elite repudiating Moore from the get go, it’s not repeatable.

    Moore was the perfect storm for the Democrats. Abandoned by his party and the senate making noises about throwing him out of the senate; attacked by FoxNews on a continual basis; Hannity throwing him under the bus, etc. It all added up.

    Drudge didn’t help, he doesn’t like Trump, Bannon or the MAGA movement. All he does is link to Liberal sites like WaPo and NYC.

    Most of the sex stuff came from the RNC/McConnell people. The timing points to it. the bimbo eruptions were timed so as to force Moore out and put Strange back into play except Moore didn’t step down so it blew up in the McConnell’s face. When they realized Moore was stepping down, they went full scorched Earth on him and didn’t care that it would the GOP a senate seat.

    The Democrats love dropping bimbo eruptions a day or two before the election so as to keep the Republican from doing any sort of damage control.

    Lastly Trump’s gradual cucking is hurting the GOP. His endorsements don’t carry weight anymore. The guy is all about tax cuts for the rich and foreign interventions now. Very Dubya.

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  121. There are always local factors in electoral races, so commenters from Alabama are especially valuable here. And there’s always the problem of projecting one’s personal opinion as the explanation for actions of people who may have voted the way that they did for quite different reasons.

    With those reservations, I’d say Trump’s apparent strategy of governing as a Chamber of Commerce Republican with a particularly bellicose foreign policy may cost the Republicans Congress in 2018 (with a Trump impeachment a near certainty in 2019) and make Trump’s prospects for reelection in 2020 nearly nonexistant.

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  122. Boethiuss says:
    @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    So, what’s the upshot of this?

    How about we just do things the right way? Run decent people, don’t go off weak tangents, vote Republican.

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    How about we just do things the right way? Run decent people, don’t go off weak tangents, vote Republican.
     
    It is hard to get decent people to run in this climate. Much of politics is covering for your candidate's weaknesses.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    How's that been working for you?
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  123. Boethiuss says:
    @istevefan
    There is a story about Lyndon Johnson. Supposedly he once told an aid to tell the press that one of his opponents had sex with a horse. The aid replied, "we can't do that, you just made that up."

    LBJ then apparently said, "I know. I just want to see that SOB deny it in public."

    Well I think something similar happened to Moore. And the GOP, along with our conservative media went along with it.

    Recall that soon after the story broke Sean Hannity attempted to defend Moore. But he immediately faced a backlash by advertisers who were swamped from Media Matters and the like. Hannity got spooked and then in fact became an inquisitor on Moore. He made demands that Moore disprove the allegations and then grilled him in an interview.

    From that point on neither Hannity nor Rush supported the guy. They didn't oppose him either, but they never really tried to push for Moore and never called for examination of the yearbook and other suspicious items. And the GOP abandoned him by pulling funds and publicly announcing their support for his opponent.

    I am from Missouri and didn't know much about Moore except from his '10 Commandment' days as a judge. So I was surprised that 40-year old accusations would suddenly surface on a man who has been a lightening rod for the past 20 years, just weeks before the Senate election when it was too late to remove his name from the ballot. It is not for nothing that Missouri is called the "Show Me" state.

    A cursory review of the so called charges made me think Moore was getting railroaded.

    1) The original article that featured the misconduct with the 14 yr old was 'padded' with three other girls who were making ZERO accusations against Moore. They claimed they dated him when they were of legal age. You might not like a 32 year old dating someone at legal age, but if that is a problem change the legal age to 21. By padding the story the media then claimed he had multiple accusers.

    2) The woman with the yearbook was sketchy at best. The yearbook she introduced was immaterial to her claim of being assaulted. Whether he signed it or not does not proved assault. But yet she felt the need to produce the yearbook to make her case. Upon casual inspection from the photos available on CNN, it appears the signature area is suspicious. Troubling to me was the fact she had later appeared before Judge Moore in a divorce case and did not request the judge recuse himself. Additionally the Judge's explanation for his signature with the initials 'DA' following it made more sense than the accuser stating Moore signed his name as the county DA when he was not the county DA at that time.

    Yet Rush, Hannity and the GOP did not demand to see the yearbook. If the yearbook was altered, then that accuser's case falls.

    3) The woman who said Moore groped her in the same room with her mother was easier for me to dismiss. The WaPo had built its case that Moore liked teenage girls. They called him a pedophile which really isn't the correct term. But they claimed he liked them young. So if that were true, why would he grope a then 28 year old mother of three? To a man who only likes them young, a 28 year old mother of three is not attractive.

    4) We then had people claim that Moore was banned from a Mall and the cops were told to be on the lookout for this child predator. Yet a former mall official denied this and there were no police reports about this. People also repeated the claim that everybody knew Moore "liked them young". If so why was this never brought out during the most contentious moments of Moore's career when he was a national story for his refusal to take down the Ten Commandments? It seems odd that a moralizing man, despised by the media, would not have been exposed then when his scalp was worth its weight in gold. No, the story was saved for that rainy day in 2017 when this guy was one month away from winning a Senate seat.

    5) The lady that claimed she went to the movies with Moore as a teenager in 1981 produced a scrapbook that WaPo photographed. This scrapbook had the ticket stubs and the date and name of the guy who took her to the movies in 1981. Roy's name was on this list. Yet just looking at the photo in the WaPo of her tickets, one immediately sees an orange ticket with the word "Child" printed on it. In America a Child's ticket is less expensive than a full priced adult ticket and is thus only given to kids under 12. The woman was 18 years old in 1981. Why would she have a "child's" ticket in her scapbook? To me this appeared suspicious to say the least.

    6) The list goes on. Even the original 14 year old girl has holes in her story. She claimed Moore called her in her room at her house. Her mother claims they did not have a phone in the daughter's room. Back then phones were something you leased from the local telco and most homes probably had one phone hanging on the kitchen wall, and maybe one in the living room. And the overwhelming majority of people had one phone number even if they had multiple phones.

    I can't say for sure whether Moore is guilty or not. I don't have all the evidence and depressingly no one was asking to see any. They all took the accusers' words because they were partisan democrats and GOPe, or they were too afraid to defend the man in public because of the fear of being tarred as a supporter of a pedophile.

    In the end that is my real concern. We are going to see this play out over and over because the standard is now any charges must be believed, and any questioning of said charges is tantamount to support for rape, abuse, etc.

    As a Missourian I already know how 2018 will play out. Claire McCaskill will find herself in a tight race in October. At the point of no return when the ballots cannot be changed, a few women will come forward to announce that her GOP opponent assaulted them years before. He will then be expected to withdraw and the GOP will abandon him.

    I am sure this will happen in other key races too.

    As a Missourian I already know how 2018 will play out. Claire McCaskill will find herself in a tight race in October. At the point of no return when the ballots cannot be changed, a few women will come forward to announce that her GOP opponent assaulted them years before. He will then be expected to withdraw and the GOP will abandon him.

    Oh bullshit. Is that what happened to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Tom Cotton etc, etc? Of course not. In this case at least, Roy Moore was accused of this or that because he was manifestly guilty. The party needs to do a better job of figuring how get people like Moore, Christine O’Donnell, and Todd Akin out of the race. Let’s figure out how to play as a team one time.

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    Oh bullshit. Is that what happened to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Tom Cotton etc, etc? Of course not.
     
    Stop being obtuse. What happened to Moore is pretty distinct to autumn 2017 and probably beyond. Namely, any woman who brings charges is to be believed, PERIOD. The accused is presumed guilty. And to defend the accused is to condone assault. Thus, we have the party immediately cutting ties to the accused.

    This is new to the past 3 months, so much so that Time even made the "silence breakers" their person of the year. Had the adults stood up to this it might have ended. But now that that precedent has been set, it will be a weapon for future campaigns. And why not given that we are not even allowed to challenge the allegations?
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    Bulls--t. He was not manifestly guilty. istevefan laid out an excellent argument and you manifestly believe the scumbags from the left and GOPe. And who are these great candidates of which you speak? You mean McCain, Flake, Ryan, Romney. Those candidates?

    How can there be this much stupid blindness in the world?
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  124. @27 year old
    The GOP establishment are still all in on anti-Trump. He thus far has not taken over/transformed/shifted the party.

    Moore did 70% among Whites. But he and the GOP did not do enough to get them to show up. I don't think even Trump got that high of a White share. Dems went hard with black celebrities and misleading ads to max black turnout.

    The process of canceling the 2016 election will pick up steam, at least in the minds of the #resistance. More impeachment talk and Mueller stuff.

    Matt Drudge has chosen the side of globalist/traitors/cucks. He hates Bannon more than he likes America. Sad.

    The enemy has a playbook, but is it repeatable? They used fake news about sex stuff plus a full nationwide media press on tiny little Alabama. They can make stuff up about all the 2018 candidates, but the country can't do a month of sustained hate/interest in all of them at the same time.

    On top of the adverse media attention, it has to be mentioned that Roy Moore acted like an idiot in terms of defending himself and deflecting the bad press. Not even Hannity could make the guy seem quite human, and he never remotely softened his tone in a general election “pivot.”

    Also, Roy Moore might support Trump but he’s not really Trump-like in his policies, particularly his monomaniacal focus on abortion and gay stuff. Trump mostly ignored all of that during his run. Moore alienated centrist conservatives with it.

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    Yeah if we continue to acquiesce to sodomites and baby killers we will eventually "get our country back". LOL. That strategy has really worked for us.

    The only reason I'm legally carrying a gun right now is because the 2A defenders never give an inch.

    The left and GOPe hate me and want to see me dead. They are playing for keeps. Are you?
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  125. unit472 says:

    Pretty clear to me that Senator Shelby sank Moore. I hope the Alabama GOP run someone against him the primary and if that fails enough Moore voters will remember the kind of skunk Shelby is and sees to it he is put out to pasture or a nursing home.

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    Agree. The Shelby anti-endorsement might have been worth a point or two. Why? He has been a solid conservative since he left the Dems and has nothing left to prove, it seems. Very unfortunate.
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    I just came across this on YouTube. Good for him:

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  127. George says:

    Where was Moore on the white death? If he had an opinion I bet it involved police and jail. Again Moore was not alt right, as I understand it, as much as colorful wingnut baby boomer from the past. To be honest, post Bannon, Trump is basically a colorful wingnut baby boomer from the past.

    There is no reason Doug Jones will not be good enough on immigration, and asking him to be a lone voice against foreign intervention is maybe asking too much. Oddly Sen Jones is sort of a colorful liberal baby boomer from the past. His claim to fame is bringing some low level ‘later’* Klansmen to justice decades after their crimes had relevance in what might have sort of been a sort of maybe railroading. The KKKrazy glue that holds the D coalition together.

    So will Jones cuck out and sell out the blacks that got him elected? Oddly Alabama blacks are not served by invite/invade the world, but I doubt Jones will do much about it. To me, he seems to be in the Edward Kennedy mold. Alabama is not self sufficient in STEM and other experts, Alabama needs cheap labor, Alabama is a big military industrial state, so Jones will sell out the blacks, while fighting the KKK LARPers.

    * The actual KKK ceases to exist after WWII, I have read the term ‘later’ klan to describe the post WWII klan attempts at revival. I think today the derisive term LARPers is what is used to describe the current Klan.

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  128. Boethiuss says:

    The alt-right or Dissident Right or what have you, they have gone past the idea of Right vs. Left. They have even gone past the idea of nationalist vs. globalist. The real battle for them is normies vs. cranks. Well, that isn’t turning out so well now.

    Let’s cut the crap already and do what we’re supposed to do. It might even work.

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  129. @Reg Cæsar
    This is from BRIGHT, the daily newsletter from The Federalist's feminine side:

    No Moore Problems for the GOP

    Despite showing up on horseback to vote, Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore lost the special election to Democrat candidate Doug Jones.

    The defeat in the deep red state is a minor blow to President Donald Trump, and reduces the Republican Senate majority from 52 to 51, but many who feared a Moore victory would create Moore problems for the GOP are breathing a yuge sigh of relief this morning.
     

    Bright prospects, eh? Moore is our Franken, thus, we have a lighter load without him.

    The hackette responsible for BRIGHT is one Gracy Olmstead. Prim and proper ? Yes – and this is surely a crime in any journalist. But much worse – she’s Rod Dreher in a blouse.

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  130. I personally don’t think the loss was all that shocking. Remember the Scott Brown shock/upset one year into Obama’s 1st term? This was a similar thing. Not only that, but unlike Brown, the leftist candidate had the uniparty media in his back. Plus, the GOPe refused to help Moore. If they had done so, he would likely have won. The ground game is important.

    Moore may not have been the best candidate, but it was definitely a winnable race had the GOPe put in the effort and had the media even tried to pretend being unbiased.

    I hear people say “oh gee, this makes the legislate agenda even tougher going forward!”. As if that’s a bad thing. The only thing the Trump presidency has given us are massive tax cuts mostly for the rich + failed attempts at gutting healthcare. No wall. Nothing on DACA. No “America First” foreign policy, instead he’s doubling down on failed Afghan wars.

    Ultimately, the only lasting good legacy of Trump will be the various judges. Rest is best blocked by the dems so we don’t get the pro-big corporate agenda like we do now, instead of rewarding the base.

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  131. @27 year old

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    I think this analysis is wrong, or at least, doesn't apply to Moore. He didn't lose for being "odd" he lost because they called him a child rapist. What about him was "odd"? For that matter, what about him was alt-right? He's not a normie, but he was a hardcore Christian.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as "sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo".

    Thats not "well he's antiestablishment so he's got to be a little odd". A little odd is like he wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z in the early 2000s or being a young earth creationist. They slandered him by accusing him of multiple child rapes.

    He didn't run on an alt right platform, or even a partway alt right platform. He ran on "I will vote for Trump's agenda". 60 million Americans voted for Trump's Agenda, too. That's tens of millions of people who are not in the least bit odd.

    This has been disjointed but what I'm trying to say is - I don't agree with "he was alt right so of course he had weird shit in his past". He didn't run on alt right ism, he ran on Trump's 2016 campaign promises and trying to date legal teens in the 1970s is not weird shit in the way you're implying it is.

    There were no allegations that he raped anyone…but a single allegation he tried to seduce a 14 year-old and stopped when she resisted……the women who claimed he dated them when they were 17, 18, 19, 21 and 22 years-old – all claimed he was a grntleman, never did more than kiss and hold hands…which does not collaborate the 24 year-old”s story…in fact it suggests she is lying.

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    The media reported it as a rape, even if they did not use those words. I know it was fake, don't need to convince me. He was brought down by lies and a backstabbing from his own party is my point.
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    This stuff works because White dudes white knight for women, White mans disease, and White women hate hate hate most White men for the sin of beta

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  134. @27 year old

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    I think this analysis is wrong, or at least, doesn't apply to Moore. He didn't lose for being "odd" he lost because they called him a child rapist. What about him was "odd"? For that matter, what about him was alt-right? He's not a normie, but he was a hardcore Christian.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as "sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo".

    Thats not "well he's antiestablishment so he's got to be a little odd". A little odd is like he wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z in the early 2000s or being a young earth creationist. They slandered him by accusing him of multiple child rapes.

    He didn't run on an alt right platform, or even a partway alt right platform. He ran on "I will vote for Trump's agenda". 60 million Americans voted for Trump's Agenda, too. That's tens of millions of people who are not in the least bit odd.

    This has been disjointed but what I'm trying to say is - I don't agree with "he was alt right so of course he had weird shit in his past". He didn't run on alt right ism, he ran on Trump's 2016 campaign promises and trying to date legal teens in the 1970s is not weird shit in the way you're implying it is.

    Well, Trump’s campaign had a lot of alt-right(ish) ideas, like immigration restrictionism etc. His “agenda” theoretically still contains these. I know it’s significantly to the left of Steve’s citizenism, but he seemed to be far to the right of anything available.

    he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s

    Those girls were teenagers (like 17), and he was like over 35 at the time. That’s a little weird, trying to seduce very young girls.

    he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s

    I guess it was like statutory rape (no violence, just seducing a girl under legal age – or was there actual violence?) Aside from the criminality of it all, that might not be totally abnormal (human history has a number of examples of 14-year-olds married off to 40-year-old guys), but it’s not totally normal either, especially not in our culture. Especially from a “hardcore Christian”.

    But I’m not sure what was your point. Would you have voted for the Democrat, had you lived in Alabama? Or would you have stayed home? If not, basically you’re thinking similar to me: no matter how tainted the guy, still better than the enemy.

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    But I’m not sure what was your point. Would you have voted for the Democrat, had you lived in Alabama? Or would you have stayed home? If not, basically you’re thinking similar to me: no matter how tainted the guy, still better than the enemy.
     
    I would have voted for Moore. I agree that our guy is always better. What I was trying to say is I don't think he was tainted. I think he was slandered and then stabbed in the back. It's not an issue of a "flawed candidate", it was a deliberate takedown.
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  135. Hugh says:
    @reiner Tor
    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.

    The left often overlooks such things in its own representatives, even when they have to choose from two of the same Uniparty candidates, or when they can choose between two similar leftists. I don’t quite care if our representatives are equally (or more) despicable as individuals as are the leftists, as long as they will stop the rot.

    Mo Brooks would have been a better candidate than either Moore or Strange. You can’t ignore candidate quality in retail politics. It’s not all about ideas, personality counts too.

    So why was Mo frozen out?

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  136. @Tim Howells

    we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way.
     
    There may be something to this. I saw an interesting quote from a psychologist who debriefed Korean war prisoners who had been subjected to brainwashing techniques. He started out thinking that those who had not succumbed would be remarkable, heroic people. In fact he found they were consistently socially awkward, distrustful and unlikable. With hindsight it makes sense, since advanced brainwashing techniques play on our deepest social instincts. Sometimes it helps to be missing a few screws.

    On the other hand it's easy to point to Steve, Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor and many others as counterexamples. But I'm no sure how well any of them would hold up under the full treatment continually being dished out to Trump and Moore.

    Steve, Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor

    I think there’s a reason they are among the most influential alt-right (or in the case of Steve rather alt-center) authors. But Trump is not exactly of the same erudition as these people.

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  137. @istevefan
    There is a story about Lyndon Johnson. Supposedly he once told an aid to tell the press that one of his opponents had sex with a horse. The aid replied, "we can't do that, you just made that up."

    LBJ then apparently said, "I know. I just want to see that SOB deny it in public."

    Well I think something similar happened to Moore. And the GOP, along with our conservative media went along with it.

    Recall that soon after the story broke Sean Hannity attempted to defend Moore. But he immediately faced a backlash by advertisers who were swamped from Media Matters and the like. Hannity got spooked and then in fact became an inquisitor on Moore. He made demands that Moore disprove the allegations and then grilled him in an interview.

    From that point on neither Hannity nor Rush supported the guy. They didn't oppose him either, but they never really tried to push for Moore and never called for examination of the yearbook and other suspicious items. And the GOP abandoned him by pulling funds and publicly announcing their support for his opponent.

    I am from Missouri and didn't know much about Moore except from his '10 Commandment' days as a judge. So I was surprised that 40-year old accusations would suddenly surface on a man who has been a lightening rod for the past 20 years, just weeks before the Senate election when it was too late to remove his name from the ballot. It is not for nothing that Missouri is called the "Show Me" state.

    A cursory review of the so called charges made me think Moore was getting railroaded.

    1) The original article that featured the misconduct with the 14 yr old was 'padded' with three other girls who were making ZERO accusations against Moore. They claimed they dated him when they were of legal age. You might not like a 32 year old dating someone at legal age, but if that is a problem change the legal age to 21. By padding the story the media then claimed he had multiple accusers.

    2) The woman with the yearbook was sketchy at best. The yearbook she introduced was immaterial to her claim of being assaulted. Whether he signed it or not does not proved assault. But yet she felt the need to produce the yearbook to make her case. Upon casual inspection from the photos available on CNN, it appears the signature area is suspicious. Troubling to me was the fact she had later appeared before Judge Moore in a divorce case and did not request the judge recuse himself. Additionally the Judge's explanation for his signature with the initials 'DA' following it made more sense than the accuser stating Moore signed his name as the county DA when he was not the county DA at that time.

    Yet Rush, Hannity and the GOP did not demand to see the yearbook. If the yearbook was altered, then that accuser's case falls.

    3) The woman who said Moore groped her in the same room with her mother was easier for me to dismiss. The WaPo had built its case that Moore liked teenage girls. They called him a pedophile which really isn't the correct term. But they claimed he liked them young. So if that were true, why would he grope a then 28 year old mother of three? To a man who only likes them young, a 28 year old mother of three is not attractive.

    4) We then had people claim that Moore was banned from a Mall and the cops were told to be on the lookout for this child predator. Yet a former mall official denied this and there were no police reports about this. People also repeated the claim that everybody knew Moore "liked them young". If so why was this never brought out during the most contentious moments of Moore's career when he was a national story for his refusal to take down the Ten Commandments? It seems odd that a moralizing man, despised by the media, would not have been exposed then when his scalp was worth its weight in gold. No, the story was saved for that rainy day in 2017 when this guy was one month away from winning a Senate seat.

    5) The lady that claimed she went to the movies with Moore as a teenager in 1981 produced a scrapbook that WaPo photographed. This scrapbook had the ticket stubs and the date and name of the guy who took her to the movies in 1981. Roy's name was on this list. Yet just looking at the photo in the WaPo of her tickets, one immediately sees an orange ticket with the word "Child" printed on it. In America a Child's ticket is less expensive than a full priced adult ticket and is thus only given to kids under 12. The woman was 18 years old in 1981. Why would she have a "child's" ticket in her scapbook? To me this appeared suspicious to say the least.

    6) The list goes on. Even the original 14 year old girl has holes in her story. She claimed Moore called her in her room at her house. Her mother claims they did not have a phone in the daughter's room. Back then phones were something you leased from the local telco and most homes probably had one phone hanging on the kitchen wall, and maybe one in the living room. And the overwhelming majority of people had one phone number even if they had multiple phones.

    I can't say for sure whether Moore is guilty or not. I don't have all the evidence and depressingly no one was asking to see any. They all took the accusers' words because they were partisan democrats and GOPe, or they were too afraid to defend the man in public because of the fear of being tarred as a supporter of a pedophile.

    In the end that is my real concern. We are going to see this play out over and over because the standard is now any charges must be believed, and any questioning of said charges is tantamount to support for rape, abuse, etc.

    As a Missourian I already know how 2018 will play out. Claire McCaskill will find herself in a tight race in October. At the point of no return when the ballots cannot be changed, a few women will come forward to announce that her GOP opponent assaulted them years before. He will then be expected to withdraw and the GOP will abandon him.

    I am sure this will happen in other key races too.

    Sounds plausible. But will the accusations work for several seats at the same time? The media cannot focus on many stories all at once…

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  138. @reiner Tor
    And in terms of US federal personal income tax brackets?

    The point is, when you go on and on about “taxing the rich”, you’ll find out soon enough that that includes you. The states first in line to ratify the Sixteenth Amendment were the ones pushing the Liberty Amendment fifty years later. But it was too late.

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  139. ic1000 says:

    This election was a victory for the Establishment Media wing of the Democratic Party. But then, “Heads I Win, Tails You Lose” — a sitting Sen. Moore would have been an albatross around the GOP’s neck for the 2018 midterm elections.

    While the Washington Post’s Motives and Means are evident, I am assuming that the paper timed it to cripple Moore for the general election, rather than for the primary. Is there any solid evidence either way?

    In Alabama, by the time the Post published, it was too late for the ballot to be changed.

    In the Memory Hole department, that had also been true for the 2002 New Jersey Senate race, when Democratic candidate Robert Torricelli withdrew in disgrace a few weeks before the election. Fortunately, the Democrats had a friendly State Supreme Court, willing to break that rule to bend the arc of history in the right direction.

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  140. “Without Moore” that was yesterday, but today the Jackass Party ratcheted up their silly Trump is unfit allegations at Rosensteins Senate Kabuki session. Led by Little Gutierrez. Too bad the witch hunt goes on with or without Moore.

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  141. @reiner Tor
    Sounds plausible. But will the accusations work for several seats at the same time? The media cannot focus on many stories all at once...

    Wait until Ted Cruz gets this treatment.

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  142. Why would blacks turn out in such impressive numbers to vote for this sniveling lefty bald headed schmuck? Leftism? They didn’t turn out for Hillary,Queen of Commies.
    They were offended by Moore’s muscular Christianity? His derogation of the amendments that came after no. 10? His horse? You know a white man on a horse doesn’t like blacks.
    They hate Moore,certainly,but the turnout was awfully large. Obama put an obscene amount of money in. I am sure that money wound up in a lot of pockets.
    This election stinks.

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  143. Anon • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Moore ran a 19th century campaign in the 21st century.

    Granted, there was the big problem with the sex scandal accusations.

    But in a way, I think his moralism was a bigger problem than his alleged improprieties.
    After all, Trump was attacked as #1 Pussy Grabber, but he won BIGLY in Alabama.

    Compare Buchanan with Trump. Trump got much farther because he came across as practical can-do businessman than a moralist and religious zealot. At some point, excessive moralism comes across as intolerant and bigoted than bigly.
    Americans just don’t like too much puritanism or moralism. It’s like those Westerns. In RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY and PAT GARRETT AND BILLY THE KID, we prefer the easy going gunmen to the fire-and-brimstones preachers.
    Same in John Ford universe. Wayne has a code but he’s not a preacher. Even the preacher in THE SEARCHERS is likable because he’s a practical man and has a sense of humor than a prig as he rides off to do battle with the ‘childish savages’.

    Moore may appeal to the religious and the moralists, but he wasn’t much fun. He reminds people of R.G. Armstrong’s characters.

    We need morality, but people don’t want too much from politicians. People go to church for that. Also, because Moore relied so much on religion and morals, the accusations really hurt him with the uptight moralists.
    Another thing. Voters prefer a ‘real man’ to some flower-wuss. Trump may be a pussy grabber, he came across as a real man. He had that Billy Boy Clinton thing, the teflon. He was waterproof. He never pretended to be a moralist, so if some improprieties about him were found, he could just shrug and shake it off. A dog that admits it has fleas can just scratch some off. A dog that says it got no fleas will arouse shock even if he has one flea. But more than that, Moore’s dating young women sounds a bit pathetic. Even if nothing wrong happened, what kind of full-growed man goes around dating 16 yr old girls with flowers and… poems.
    Moore rides the horse around and talks tough, but his romantic life has been rather dweeby. Indeed, his put-on toughness came across as a crutch for his insecurities. Trump seems at ease with his big status. Moore always has to carry a gun, wear a cowboy hat, ride a horse, thump the Bible.
    So, even if there had been no scandal, I think his moralism was hardly a plus, and on such matters, he seemed nonplussed. Even though he wore a cowboy hat, he talked more like a preacher than a cowboy.

    Also, even rural folks aint what they used to be. They have access to cable TV and internet, and Moore’s horse and pony show was too old school. Just like American Indians in reservations are addicted to Kardashians and trash TV, moralism is hardly much of a factor in rural white America that’s been poisoned not only with opioids and meth but junk TV and internet garbage.

    And then he said stuff that really energized blacks. Stuff about ending all amendments after the first 10. Dumb thing to say down South, esp in Alabama. I don’t think blacks came out to vote over sex scandal stuff. They must be laughing at that stuff since their culture is so slutty and skanky and pimpy. And it was A Thing among black preachers to enjoy womenfolk. What MLK did was hardly an exception.

    Trump endorsed Strange over Moore, but Moore won. Trump stuck his neck out for Moore, but Moore lost. 0-2 for Trump. A kind of Laffer Curve is operative here. If a candidate is too cucked, too many conservative voters reject him. But if the candidate is too ‘hick’ and old-fashioned, it energizes blacks and alienates moderate white conservatives with education.

    I never much liked Moore but then I never much cared for the Bible-thumping side of Buchanan either. I mean Evolution is real. While current Homomania is crazy and sick, homos do exist and are born that way, and that’s just a reality that must be faced. American Conservatism has the worthless Cucks on one side and dogged zealots on the other who are no longer relevant or meaningful in changing times. We need the realists and rationalists.

    Too much of Moore’s style was at odds with Trump’s. Interesting that the far less moral Trump inspired so many more votes in Alabama than moralist Moore did.

    (As for abortion, it is the SJW theme on the Right. Too many cons are addicted to feeling holy by pulling out that card. Abortion is good for the Right. If low-IQ black women wanna abort their kids, let them and even pay them for it. If Lib women wanna kill their own kids, go right ahead. I mean how nice if Ann Dunham had aborted Obaby. Sure, abortion is ugly, and Conservatives should reject it for themselves, but I say let the other side do it. Also, all this moralism is bogus because these pro-life clowns are utterly silent about US wars that killed so many in other nations, even Arab Christians.)

    It seems the ‘left’ and the ‘right’ appeal to different emotions.
    Progs go for pitch, Cons go for base. Progs love to stir up rage to hysterical pitch. It’s about screams and screeching. Cons prefer to dig deep and cling to the base, the foundation. It’s like Archie Bunker in THE NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD who prefers to hunker down in the basement.

    Trump was an outlier because he was the one major ‘conservative’ candidate who raised the pitch of the American Right. He got them to come out loud and proud as America First. He was brash and didn’t back down. Even as the prog elites fear the White Silence(maybe ‘silence is violence’), they fear White Pitch even more. Maybe white pitch can turn into white pitchforks.

    The Pitchers have an advantage and disadvantage.
    As screaming and shrieking mobs, they go on the offensive, hurl accusations, and feel morally superior. In contrast, the Basers play defense and hunker down as they lack the ambition to control and own the Narrative and Official Ideology. They may go to the bat, but in baseball, the pitcher strikes out many more players than players hit the ball. Trump just managed to hit a grand slam against all odds, but then Trump didn’t come to the bat as a baser but a batter with a pitch-mentality even as he faced the pitcher.

    The disadvantage of Pitchers is they must be high-energy to get involved. They must be inflamed with some new scandal, new controversy, new outrage, be it BLM or Rape Culture or etc. It can be effective when well-managed but it can easily get out of hand since hysteria, once unloosed, is hard to control. Even Mao couldn’t restrain what he’d unleashed with the Cultural Revolution. It’s like playing with fire. A fire-expert may be able to burn only a part of the forest, but there is always the chance that the fire will spread of its own accord, and that’s what happened with BLM.

    In contrast, Basers are more solid and consistent. But because they play defense and hunker down, they are always reacting than going forward on the attack. Bannon has a new kind of strategy that goes on the attack, but Moore was a poor vehicle for this populism because Moore was too old school to connect with 21st century realities.

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  144. @Reg Cæsar

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don’t want tax cuts for the rich...
     
    In global terms, Alabama's "lower class whites" are very much part of the rich.

    In global terms (to borrow a hackneyed and torturous phrase) the most no one gives a hoot in Hell about Alabama’s poor white people (previously known simply as “Alabamans”); hence these folks reciprocate by not assessing their welfare and basing their political decisions upon their wealth vis-a-vis global terms.

    “Things are rough in the Congo or Bangladesh? Bummer. The Congolese and Bangladeshis should work to fix those problems; I wish them all success. I’m concerned with my own lot.”

    This approach used to be called sensible; minding one’s own business.

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    ...hence these folks reciprocate by not assessing their welfare and basing their political decisions upon their wealth vis-a-vis global terms.
     
    But the folks cutting them the checks do. Southerners were shocked when the federal income tax their pappies cheered so loudly came down to bite them in the ass as well. Then those wonderful young bureaucrats of the New Deal distributing this-and-that felt guilty and decided to distribute to colored as well. Good God, we can't have that!

    H L Mencken saw coming what the average cracker couldn't: the state is the enemy of every decent man.

    previously known simply as “Alabamans”
     
    I thought it was "Alabamians". What's the difference?

    "Michiganian" and "Michigander" depend on the situation.
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  145. bomag says:
    @istevefan
    There is a story about Lyndon Johnson. Supposedly he once told an aid to tell the press that one of his opponents had sex with a horse. The aid replied, "we can't do that, you just made that up."

    LBJ then apparently said, "I know. I just want to see that SOB deny it in public."

    Well I think something similar happened to Moore. And the GOP, along with our conservative media went along with it.

    Recall that soon after the story broke Sean Hannity attempted to defend Moore. But he immediately faced a backlash by advertisers who were swamped from Media Matters and the like. Hannity got spooked and then in fact became an inquisitor on Moore. He made demands that Moore disprove the allegations and then grilled him in an interview.

    From that point on neither Hannity nor Rush supported the guy. They didn't oppose him either, but they never really tried to push for Moore and never called for examination of the yearbook and other suspicious items. And the GOP abandoned him by pulling funds and publicly announcing their support for his opponent.

    I am from Missouri and didn't know much about Moore except from his '10 Commandment' days as a judge. So I was surprised that 40-year old accusations would suddenly surface on a man who has been a lightening rod for the past 20 years, just weeks before the Senate election when it was too late to remove his name from the ballot. It is not for nothing that Missouri is called the "Show Me" state.

    A cursory review of the so called charges made me think Moore was getting railroaded.

    1) The original article that featured the misconduct with the 14 yr old was 'padded' with three other girls who were making ZERO accusations against Moore. They claimed they dated him when they were of legal age. You might not like a 32 year old dating someone at legal age, but if that is a problem change the legal age to 21. By padding the story the media then claimed he had multiple accusers.

    2) The woman with the yearbook was sketchy at best. The yearbook she introduced was immaterial to her claim of being assaulted. Whether he signed it or not does not proved assault. But yet she felt the need to produce the yearbook to make her case. Upon casual inspection from the photos available on CNN, it appears the signature area is suspicious. Troubling to me was the fact she had later appeared before Judge Moore in a divorce case and did not request the judge recuse himself. Additionally the Judge's explanation for his signature with the initials 'DA' following it made more sense than the accuser stating Moore signed his name as the county DA when he was not the county DA at that time.

    Yet Rush, Hannity and the GOP did not demand to see the yearbook. If the yearbook was altered, then that accuser's case falls.

    3) The woman who said Moore groped her in the same room with her mother was easier for me to dismiss. The WaPo had built its case that Moore liked teenage girls. They called him a pedophile which really isn't the correct term. But they claimed he liked them young. So if that were true, why would he grope a then 28 year old mother of three? To a man who only likes them young, a 28 year old mother of three is not attractive.

    4) We then had people claim that Moore was banned from a Mall and the cops were told to be on the lookout for this child predator. Yet a former mall official denied this and there were no police reports about this. People also repeated the claim that everybody knew Moore "liked them young". If so why was this never brought out during the most contentious moments of Moore's career when he was a national story for his refusal to take down the Ten Commandments? It seems odd that a moralizing man, despised by the media, would not have been exposed then when his scalp was worth its weight in gold. No, the story was saved for that rainy day in 2017 when this guy was one month away from winning a Senate seat.

    5) The lady that claimed she went to the movies with Moore as a teenager in 1981 produced a scrapbook that WaPo photographed. This scrapbook had the ticket stubs and the date and name of the guy who took her to the movies in 1981. Roy's name was on this list. Yet just looking at the photo in the WaPo of her tickets, one immediately sees an orange ticket with the word "Child" printed on it. In America a Child's ticket is less expensive than a full priced adult ticket and is thus only given to kids under 12. The woman was 18 years old in 1981. Why would she have a "child's" ticket in her scapbook? To me this appeared suspicious to say the least.

    6) The list goes on. Even the original 14 year old girl has holes in her story. She claimed Moore called her in her room at her house. Her mother claims they did not have a phone in the daughter's room. Back then phones were something you leased from the local telco and most homes probably had one phone hanging on the kitchen wall, and maybe one in the living room. And the overwhelming majority of people had one phone number even if they had multiple phones.

    I can't say for sure whether Moore is guilty or not. I don't have all the evidence and depressingly no one was asking to see any. They all took the accusers' words because they were partisan democrats and GOPe, or they were too afraid to defend the man in public because of the fear of being tarred as a supporter of a pedophile.

    In the end that is my real concern. We are going to see this play out over and over because the standard is now any charges must be believed, and any questioning of said charges is tantamount to support for rape, abuse, etc.

    As a Missourian I already know how 2018 will play out. Claire McCaskill will find herself in a tight race in October. At the point of no return when the ballots cannot be changed, a few women will come forward to announce that her GOP opponent assaulted them years before. He will then be expected to withdraw and the GOP will abandon him.

    I am sure this will happen in other key races too.

    We are going to see this play out over and over because the standard is now any charges must be believed…

    A discussion along the lines here should continue, showing that Moore was maligned. It would lessen similar future attacks.

    The underage sex charge is such a powerful weapon against a political foe that it is bound to be misused.

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  146. Know lots of Alabamans. He’s been notorious for years, hit up on a friend of mine when she was 17. He literally campaigns at Baptist churches.

    Call me a hater, but there’s something just freaky about the whole Southern Baptist thing that’s way beyond Falwellism. The politicization of this church in deep South states has made crap like this boil to the surface even more. You can call speaking in tongues Pentecostals weird, but I never see this kind of crap with them. They probably fall for these kinds of Elmer Gantry’s as much as Baptists, but they don’t play power politics with them. There’s a kind of arrogance to this denomination that is toxic.

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  147. anonguy says:

    With friends like Moore, who needs enemies?

    Trump famously (now) expressed this during the primary, but ya know, nobody was listening (then).

    This is a great outcome for America, and hence the world, that Alabamans tossed Roy. They are looking for a happy future now rather than an angry past.

    I see this also as an indication that in the South, finally, the past is past and now the forgetting can start. Notice that the issue of Confederate memorial cleansing didn’t come up in the election at all, in Alabama, of all places.

    These are grand times, everything else going on to which we can now add finally discarding the Confederate emotional baggage that the USA has been bearing for 150 years.

    Oh yeah, Bannon and Franken of course, huge losers too.

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    There was no "Confederate monument cleansing" (i.e. Year Zero activities) issue in Alabama because no Confederate monuments have come down there.

    As for the "discarding the Confederate emotional baggage," can we also ditch the slavery emotional baggage? How about the patriarchy emotional baggage? How about the Ellis Island emotional baggage? How about the Holocaust emotional baggage? How about Mexican butthurt over the Mexican-American War baggage? Can we ditch all those, too?

    The "happy future" you speak of is simply the United States being turned into a Third World sh*thole.

    And when that happens, the Confederate States will look like a comparative golden age.
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  148. Boethiuss says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Deep US South White Evangelical Zio-Christianity is a gutter religion.....it’s core “spiritual values” are 1)worship Israel....2)shrieck like a girl: “WHAT A STUD ROLL TIDE!!!! TYRONE!!! every Saturday in the Fall...3)Babs and Chip adopting infant future Roll Tide!!! Tyrones!!!....4)Cannon Fodder for OUR FRIEND ISRAEL!!!

    I support the Christian Russian Military Conquest and Russian Christian conquest of Alabama...drive the White Zio-Christian imbeciles out of Alabama.......so Alabama can finally be a real-authentic White Christian State...or else it’s:ALAH....BAMA comming soon after Tuesday.....Nov 3 2020....

    I support the Christian Russian Military Conquest and Russian Christian conquest of Alabama…drive the White Zio-Christian imbeciles out of Alabama…….so Alabama can finally be a real-authentic White Christian State…or else it’s:ALAH….BAMA comming soon after Tuesday…..Nov 3 2020….

    What a drooler. Russia can’t even conquer Ukraine, more or less its own territory. You’ll be waiting a while for them to conquer Alabama.

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  149. istevefan says:
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    As a Missourian I already know how 2018 will play out. Claire McCaskill will find herself in a tight race in October. At the point of no return when the ballots cannot be changed, a few women will come forward to announce that her GOP opponent assaulted them years before. He will then be expected to withdraw and the GOP will abandon him.
     
    Oh bullshit. Is that what happened to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Tom Cotton etc, etc? Of course not. In this case at least, Roy Moore was accused of this or that because he was manifestly guilty. The party needs to do a better job of figuring how get people like Moore, Christine O'Donnell, and Todd Akin out of the race. Let's figure out how to play as a team one time.

    Oh bullshit. Is that what happened to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Tom Cotton etc, etc? Of course not.

    Stop being obtuse. What happened to Moore is pretty distinct to autumn 2017 and probably beyond. Namely, any woman who brings charges is to be believed, PERIOD. The accused is presumed guilty. And to defend the accused is to condone assault. Thus, we have the party immediately cutting ties to the accused.

    This is new to the past 3 months, so much so that Time even made the “silence breakers” their person of the year. Had the adults stood up to this it might have ended. But now that that precedent has been set, it will be a weapon for future campaigns. And why not given that we are not even allowed to challenge the allegations?

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    What happened to Moore is pretty distinct to autumn 2017 and probably beyond. Namely, any woman who brings charges is to be believed, PERIOD. The accused is presumed guilty. And to defend the accused is to condone assault. Thus, we have the party immediately cutting ties to the accused.

    This is new to the past 3 months

    Though you are correct it is worth pointing out that the feminists/leftists have pushed this view that women never lie about such incidents for decades. Protests by women's groups backed by favourable media coverage following acquittals in sexual assault cases - no matter how little evidence of guilt there was - have been common since at least the early 90s. These protests have always been accompanied by demands for changes in both the legal system and the general culture, yet I don't recall the political Right ever seriously addressing such dangerous attacks on the presumption of innocence. Just like with multiculturalism, immigration, freedom of speech, and any other number of important issues conservatives throughout the Anglosphere (and elsewhere, I suspect) have been mostly MIA, thus allowing the Left to frame each issue without much, if any, resistance. Needless to say, these are the same MIA conservatives who now say they are morally obliged to resist Trump due to their deeply-held non-negotiable political principles.

    , @Boethiuss

    This is new to the past 3 months, so much so that Time even made the “silence breakers” their person of the year. Had the adults stood up to this it might have ended. But now that that precedent has been set, it will be a weapon for future campaigns. And why not given that we are not even allowed to challenge the allegations?
     
    The he's not. He just didn't have anything meaningful to say.

    Why did he stay in the race anyway? Like somehow there was nothing he could do. That's bullshit.
    He could have left the race. And the party base and the establishment should have forced him out.
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  150. bomag says:
    @Boethiuss

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    So, what's the upshot of this?

    How about we just do things the right way? Run decent people, don't go off weak tangents, vote Republican.

    How about we just do things the right way? Run decent people, don’t go off weak tangents, vote Republican.

    It is hard to get decent people to run in this climate. Much of politics is covering for your candidate’s weaknesses.

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  151. @Boethiuss


    As a Missourian I already know how 2018 will play out. Claire McCaskill will find herself in a tight race in October. At the point of no return when the ballots cannot be changed, a few women will come forward to announce that her GOP opponent assaulted them years before. He will then be expected to withdraw and the GOP will abandon him.
     
    Oh bullshit. Is that what happened to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Tom Cotton etc, etc? Of course not. In this case at least, Roy Moore was accused of this or that because he was manifestly guilty. The party needs to do a better job of figuring how get people like Moore, Christine O'Donnell, and Todd Akin out of the race. Let's figure out how to play as a team one time.

    Bulls–t. He was not manifestly guilty. istevefan laid out an excellent argument and you manifestly believe the scumbags from the left and GOPe. And who are these great candidates of which you speak? You mean McCain, Flake, Ryan, Romney. Those candidates?

    How can there be this much stupid blindness in the world?

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    He was not manifestly guilty. istevefan laid out an excellent argument and you manifestly believe the scumbags from the left and GOPe. And who are these great candidates of which you speak? You mean McCain, Flake, Ryan, Romney. Those candidates?
     
    No, I believe the women, plural, who have gone on record with their full names and corroborating evidence.

    He could have admitted the accusations against him, which let's face it are more or less true. You could likely say that they weren't that bad and they happened a long time ago. But of course he didn't. They did the usual bullshit of deny and threatened to sue, in a situation where he was clearly lying.

    This is a problem for crank candidates especially. There was already the bit about the 10 Commandments and other problems with his performance as the chief judge in Alabama. We can't ever let anything slide because there's going to be the next issue tomorrow.

    There's no way he would have made it through a GOP primary with these issues holding over his head, so the only reason he got as far as he did was because of a successful deception over GOP primary voters. We need more discipline and less ego from the people who are supposedly going to help us in Washington.
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  152. @Boethiuss

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    So, what's the upshot of this?

    How about we just do things the right way? Run decent people, don't go off weak tangents, vote Republican.

    How’s that been working for you?

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    How’s that been working for you?
     
    It worked pretty well in 2010 and 2014
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  153. @Moral Stone
    On top of the adverse media attention, it has to be mentioned that Roy Moore acted like an idiot in terms of defending himself and deflecting the bad press. Not even Hannity could make the guy seem quite human, and he never remotely softened his tone in a general election "pivot."

    Also, Roy Moore might support Trump but he's not really Trump-like in his policies, particularly his monomaniacal focus on abortion and gay stuff. Trump mostly ignored all of that during his run. Moore alienated centrist conservatives with it.

    Yeah if we continue to acquiesce to sodomites and baby killers we will eventually “get our country back”. LOL. That strategy has really worked for us.

    The only reason I’m legally carrying a gun right now is because the 2A defenders never give an inch.

    The left and GOPe hate me and want to see me dead. They are playing for keeps. Are you?

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    I am playing for keeps. That's why I say if "liberal" Alabamans want to abort their babies we should probably let them.

    The right-wing obsession with religion is what blinded them to what was happening to their country. We're all equal in God's eyes, I hear. Hell the whole SJW/left-wing are just conservative Christians who decided God was dead but kept the radical equalist tenets. We need a better cohort of conservatives than Bible thumpers if we want to have a chance of becoming a less progressive country.
    , @propagandist hacker
    lighten up, Francis
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  154. A devastating loss to be sure. This good man deserved better but he couldn’t beat the Democrats and most of the Republicans at the same time.

    Before the election I felt confident that there would be enough Alabamans who would put aside their doubts about Moore to send a well deserved F*** You! to Bitch McConnell and his gang. I admit I overestimated their testicular fortitude.

    To be sure underneath it all there was something a bit off about Moore. The cowboy outfits (some described it as dressing up as Woody from Toy Story), the horse riding, pulling out a gun at a campaign rally and some odd behavior in interviews all worked against him.

    The lies about his sexual peccadilloes were obvious 11th hour inventions, acts of desperation to prevent this good and decent man from ascending to the Senate. Something like that hasn’t been pulled off in decades. The closest any US Senate candidate came to this level of bipartisan abuse was the ex-Klansman that ran in Louisiana in 1990 and perhaps Oliver North in ’94.

    There is a unspoken subtext to the pulling out all stops nature of the attacks against him. As a staunch opponents of gay marriage he earned the undying hatred of the usual suspects on the left. His second expulsion from AL high court was for refusing to knuckle under to the US Supreme Court’s gay marriage travesty. This may also explain why some closeted and semi-closeted RINO’s were especially giddy at the thought of taking him down.

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    I think his normal stand on homosexuality is what set Drudge against him.
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  155. Ed says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Aside from the obvious, which is that October Surprises are damaging, it appears Roy Moore was not a good candidate.

    He's apparently widely viewed in Alabama as an annoying grandstander, he was clueless on policy issues (did not know what DACA was!), and for all his testosterone he ran a surprisingly low energy campaign. In the final week he disappeared for several days to visit his alma mater.

    James Kirkpatrick has a special writeup here: http://www.vdare.com/articles/msm-triumphs-as-gop-establishment-sabotages-winnable-alabama-senate-race

    That said, what I will always remember from this race is all the pathetic beta lickspittles who accused Roy Moore of PEDOPHILIA for dating teenagers.

    Heartiste/Roissy posted a photo of a 14 year-old Kim Kardashion on his blog: https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/kardashian14.jpeg?w=500&h=462

    It's not pedophilia to want to motorboat that.

    I couldn’t take the hypocrisy, the “teen” and “school girl” genres of porn are staples receiving millions of views.

    Someone is watching these vids and they aren’t all teen boys wanking off. Also you’re right most men looking at the pic of 14 yo Kim and find themselves attracted to it aren’t deviants or guilty of child porn. This country has shifted too far the hysterical norms of women that are prone to shift month to month. A country where homosexuality is lauded and healthy male attraction to the opposite sex is sneered at isn’t long in the making. We’re basically running on fumes.

    That said Moore was just a bad candidate. Jones internals actually had Jones up before Trump’s rally then after it their numbers showed it a dead heat. What does Moore do after the rally? Head to Philly to watch Army/Navy and go missing the last week. Couldn’t muster a visit to the good auxillery ladies in suburban Mobile or Montgomery?

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  156. @German_reader

    Like Ramsay McDonald, he is a modest man with much to be modest about.
     
    iirc Churchill said that about Clement Attlee, the post-war Labour pm.

    That supposed Churchill quote was relayed by Clark Clifford but does not reflect reality. Churchill respected Attlee a lot for his work as Deputy Prime Minister in the coalition government during the war years. He looked after domestic concerns while Churchill focused on the war and diplomacy. Without his support for Churchill’s desire to fight on after the defeat of France, the British may have agreed peace terms with Hitler.

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  157. @Ian M.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as “sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo”.
     
    Is the allegation of raping a 14-year-old credible?

    Someone in his thirties trying to date 16-year-olds (or whatever it was) is odd behavior though, regardless of whether they were legal or not. That's not normal behavior. I have no idea if the allegations are credible though, I haven't followed the story.

    There was no allegation concerning rape….in fact none of the girls said he had sex with them…it stopped at kissing, one claimed he touched her breast.

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  158. @jesse helms think-alike
    A devastating loss to be sure. This good man deserved better but he couldn't beat the Democrats and most of the Republicans at the same time.

    Before the election I felt confident that there would be enough Alabamans who would put aside their doubts about Moore to send a well deserved F*** You! to Bitch McConnell and his gang. I admit I overestimated their testicular fortitude.

    To be sure underneath it all there was something a bit off about Moore. The cowboy outfits (some described it as dressing up as Woody from Toy Story), the horse riding, pulling out a gun at a campaign rally and some odd behavior in interviews all worked against him.

    The lies about his sexual peccadilloes were obvious 11th hour inventions, acts of desperation to prevent this good and decent man from ascending to the Senate. Something like that hasn't been pulled off in decades. The closest any US Senate candidate came to this level of bipartisan abuse was the ex-Klansman that ran in Louisiana in 1990 and perhaps Oliver North in '94.

    There is a unspoken subtext to the pulling out all stops nature of the attacks against him. As a staunch opponents of gay marriage he earned the undying hatred of the usual suspects on the left. His second expulsion from AL high court was for refusing to knuckle under to the US Supreme Court's gay marriage travesty. This may also explain why some closeted and semi-closeted RINO's were especially giddy at the thought of taking him down.

    I think his normal stand on homosexuality is what set Drudge against him.

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  159. Look at the cucks without a memory past two weeks ago come crawling outta the woodwork.

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    Yep. And what amazes me is they always want to play by, and defend, the left's playbook.

    They're like the Washington Generals. Except, they pay for the privilege to be beaten.
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  160. eah says:

    See Jeffrey Epstein’s flight logs.

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  161. Pericles says:

    Isn’t the real story the enormously successful GOTV of the Democrats?

    Or whatever happened.

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    Following an eleventh-hour order instructing voting officials in Alabama to keep the digital ballots generated in Tuesday’s controversial Senate election, the state’s Supreme Court has issued a stay to block that decision.

     

    https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/alabama-digital-records-vote-roy-moore/

    Lol, perhaps they magnanimously want to save Moore from a painful loss after a recount.
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  162. Reminder that Steve Bannon, for all his faults, did not run Moore’s campaign or light a fire under millions of dollars to beat Mo Brooks in the primary.

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    Reminder that Steve Bannon, for all his faults, did not run Moore’s campaign.....
     
    What are you talking about, that's exactly what he did.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/364391-bannon-special-place-in-hell-for-republicans-who-dont-support-trump-moore
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  163. Ann Coulter says Alabama 2020 US Senate election campaign has started. She likes Mo Brooks.

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    Unfortunately Rep. Brooks just announced that he has prostate cancer, which may rule him out for 2020:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/364682-alabama-rep-mo-brooks-reveals-he-has-prostate-cancer

    I wonder if somehow the establishment knew this in advance and that's why they didn't support him? Of course there are plenty of simpler explanations.
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  164. @reiner Tor
    Well, Trump's campaign had a lot of alt-right(ish) ideas, like immigration restrictionism etc. His "agenda" theoretically still contains these. I know it's significantly to the left of Steve's citizenism, but he seemed to be far to the right of anything available.

    he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s
     
    Those girls were teenagers (like 17), and he was like over 35 at the time. That's a little weird, trying to seduce very young girls.

    he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s
     
    I guess it was like statutory rape (no violence, just seducing a girl under legal age - or was there actual violence?) Aside from the criminality of it all, that might not be totally abnormal (human history has a number of examples of 14-year-olds married off to 40-year-old guys), but it's not totally normal either, especially not in our culture. Especially from a "hardcore Christian".

    But I'm not sure what was your point. Would you have voted for the Democrat, had you lived in Alabama? Or would you have stayed home? If not, basically you're thinking similar to me: no matter how tainted the guy, still better than the enemy.

    But I’m not sure what was your point. Would you have voted for the Democrat, had you lived in Alabama? Or would you have stayed home? If not, basically you’re thinking similar to me: no matter how tainted the guy, still better than the enemy.

    I would have voted for Moore. I agree that our guy is always better. What I was trying to say is I don’t think he was tainted. I think he was slandered and then stabbed in the back. It’s not an issue of a “flawed candidate”, it was a deliberate takedown.

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  165. anon • Disclaimer says:

    An avalanche of lurid accusations with little or no time to refute them one by one seems to work so it’ll be refined and used again in this evolved form. The Russian connection seems to have fizzled and besides it’s too hard to follow, X met with Y who then met with Z and so on, requiring an organization chart. The American public prefers to focus on sexual issues and besides it’s more fun. How many conversations has this sparked? Moore himself appears to basically be for Moore, just another self-centered careerist of no value except in regards to balance in the Senate.

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  166. Matra says:
    @istevefan

    Oh bullshit. Is that what happened to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Tom Cotton etc, etc? Of course not.
     
    Stop being obtuse. What happened to Moore is pretty distinct to autumn 2017 and probably beyond. Namely, any woman who brings charges is to be believed, PERIOD. The accused is presumed guilty. And to defend the accused is to condone assault. Thus, we have the party immediately cutting ties to the accused.

    This is new to the past 3 months, so much so that Time even made the "silence breakers" their person of the year. Had the adults stood up to this it might have ended. But now that that precedent has been set, it will be a weapon for future campaigns. And why not given that we are not even allowed to challenge the allegations?

    What happened to Moore is pretty distinct to autumn 2017 and probably beyond. Namely, any woman who brings charges is to be believed, PERIOD. The accused is presumed guilty. And to defend the accused is to condone assault. Thus, we have the party immediately cutting ties to the accused.

    This is new to the past 3 months

    Though you are correct it is worth pointing out that the feminists/leftists have pushed this view that women never lie about such incidents for decades. Protests by women’s groups backed by favourable media coverage following acquittals in sexual assault cases – no matter how little evidence of guilt there was – have been common since at least the early 90s. These protests have always been accompanied by demands for changes in both the legal system and the general culture, yet I don’t recall the political Right ever seriously addressing such dangerous attacks on the presumption of innocence. Just like with multiculturalism, immigration, freedom of speech, and any other number of important issues conservatives throughout the Anglosphere (and elsewhere, I suspect) have been mostly MIA, thus allowing the Left to frame each issue without much, if any, resistance. Needless to say, these are the same MIA conservatives who now say they are morally obliged to resist Trump due to their deeply-held non-negotiable political principles.

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    Though you are correct it is worth pointing out that the feminists/leftists have pushed this view that women never lie about such incidents for decades.
     
    Yes but back in the 1990s it was not uncommon to attack the accusers. Recall the Clinton machine basically calling all the Clinton accusers "white trash". I think Carville once mentioned something about never knowing what one will find when you drag $100 through a trailer park.
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  167. “Muh Mo Brooks”

    If Mo Brooks had also been accused of child rape and then stabbed in the back by his own party, I don’t think he would have won either.

    But Mo Brooks wouldn’t be accused, it wouldnt have been credible!

    Who gave Moore accusers credibility? Mitt Romney…

    Stop blaming Moore for the loss. The blame should be on the GOPe.

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    Stop blaming Moore for the loss. The blame should be on the GOPe.


    The Republican Party ruling class would rather lose to a Democrat than allow a pro-sovereignty, immigration reductionist Republican candidate win an election. George W Bush, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and the rest of the mass immigration supporting GOP ruling class must be defeated.

    Mo Brooks was attacked in the Alabama US Senate GOP primary by Mitch McConnell because Brooks supports pro-American immigration reductions. That is how Moore beat McConnell's candidate Luther Strange and Mo Brooks in the GOP primary. Jared Kushner told Trump to support Strange. Kushner supports mass immigration and an Israel First foreign policy.

    The open borders mass immigration faction of the Republican Party must be destroyed. Be aware that Tom Cotton is not to be trusted on immigration. Cotton is a Neo-Conservative who has been sneakily pushing a restrictionist immigration bill in order to neutralize the immigration issue. Cotton saw how immigration as an issue killed loads of GOP candidates in the 2016 presidential primary.

    Tom Cotton is a puppet for the Neo-Conservatives. Tom Cotton wants to drag the US military into more Iraq War debacles on behalf of Israel.
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  168. @reiner Tor
    If I have two alt-right candidates, I'll always choose the one untainted by sexual scandals (or any other scandals), probably even if the tainted guy is a little more solid on the issues. In the case of a near alt-right candidate with a scandal and a normie Uniparty candidate without a scandal I would always go for the near alt-right candidate, regardless of the scandal. I'd vote for the guy who hit the woman with his car in Charlottesville over a normie candidate, even though I think he's a stupid aggressive nutcase with anger management issues and I think he's guilty of manslaughter. Of course, I'd be happier if I had a better alt-right(ish) candidate, but it's not like we can be choosy.

    A more serious issue is that probably a lot of lower class whites don't want tax cuts for the rich, nor more Middle Eastern wars (nor a Second Korean War, This Time with Nukes), and so probably weren't very motivated to vote for him based on the issues alone.

    So this. I’ll bring back Jim Carvilles advice “it’s the economy stupid”……

    We DON’T WANT another neocon ginned up “war” that’s actually another crony capitalist giveaway to defense companies. Nor do we want another failed tax giveaway disguised as stimulus while the rich rake it in left & right.

    We want JOBS. We want them NOW while we actually can still work. I’m 34. In 5 years I’ll be 40 and nearing retirement years.

    I don’t expect to get rich BUT I do expect a middle class living.

    If this means Hispanics get rounded up and deported & the anchor kids stripped of citizenship and deported then so be it.

    Life isn’t fair and we’re nuts and stupid to be thinking others are playing by the rules when they arent.

    The Japanese have what is considered a right wing party in the LDP that has ruled Japan for much of the post war period.

    They have dealt with Japan’s deflation and shrinking population and aging workforce thru a combination of Fed central bank pumping gimmicks, tax cuts for corporations, MASSIVE Central Bank financed New Deal and Great Society programs to keep marginal males employed etc

    Basically they combined Trump, Reagan, FDR & LBJ and Ben Bernanke to boot. With marginal results. The alternative was anarchy, mass unemployment and radical politics.

    Really if any of you are as smart as I think you are then you know this is what’s going to happen. They’re saying something akin to 25-45% of jobs will vanish in the coming 20 yrs from automation/robots/computers etc

    Billionaire “bond King” Bill Gross among others have called for the legislative inplementation of BIG….. Basic Income Guarantee….where the govt just prints up $ and gives it to you as a civil right.

    “It’s over”….we should be dropping immigration legal or otherwise by 95% and as Pittsburgh Thatcherite and others have proposed we should be SELLING American citizenship to the highest bidder….

    If this gets out of the Deep States fingers the officer corps of the military could step in and set up a junta…. would it be that bad…. given the corruption in Washington?

    The military would probably clean a lotta that crap up. John Doe on the street could give two shots about gays or abortion or ME adventuring….bring the troops HOME….that’s step 1

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  169. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    white men voted for the pedophile by 70%.

    Why do white Christian men hate America?

    People of Color saved the world yet again

    Ohs Tinys…..memeber when dey said our luv wud pedofillya….we’n got truden’s dat!

    -Lenert “luvs him sum Tinys” PizzTTss

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  170. @David Allan coe
    There were no allegations that he raped anyone...but a single allegation he tried to seduce a 14 year-old and stopped when she resisted......the women who claimed he dated them when they were 17, 18, 19, 21 and 22 years-old - all claimed he was a grntleman, never did more than kiss and hold hands...which does not collaborate the 24 year-old''s story...in fact it suggests she is lying.

    The media reported it as a rape, even if they did not use those words. I know it was fake, don’t need to convince me. He was brought down by lies and a backstabbing from his own party is my point.

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  171. Thomas says:

    Folks, the election is over, and obviously the efforts to split the conceptual atom between pedophilia and ephebophilia in the context of a 34 year-old man who had to be watched around a mall because he kept trolling for teenage girls, was propositioning girls through their mothers, was stalking after teenage girls in their high schools, did not carry the day with enough conservative-leaning voters in Alabama, a state that went 28 points for Trump, and had reelected Jeff Sessions with 97% of the vote three years ago. If you’re at the point where you need to explain those distinctions and make those kinds of rationalizations to voters, you probably went with the wrong candidate. If anyone wants to issue nuanced apologias for that behavior, knock yourselves out. I don’t think though that it can be reasonably debated that it doesn’t look too good on a political candidate, particularly one who needs to win over socially-conservative voters and suburban parents, especially given these results.

    And can we dispense with the “allegations” dodge? Unless there was some grand conspiracy assembled in the last year between a dozen or so witnesses in Etowah County, Alabama 40 years ago and “Bernie Bernstein at the Washington Post” to smear Moore, the “allegations” that he had a lech for teenage girls were credible. (I found his defense that he “without the permission of her mother” particularly lulzy.)

    The fact is Moore was a long-known kook and self-promoter, one who had been twice kicked off the Alabama Supreme Court for valid reasons (refusing to enforce or attempting to interfere with enforcement of federal court orders), and who had twice lost attempted runs for Governor. I wouldn’t have associated him so much with anything having to do with MAGA until recently, and that mostly attempting to ride Trump’s coattails (which he’s now tracked mud all over). He was mostly associated with the dumbest sort of religious conservatism, the Kim Davis element, which hasn’t managed to conserve much of anything, and is lucky if it can even scrape out rearguard defenses of bakers who simply object to being singled out to be forced into participating in homosexual nuptials. The only real thing he would have brought to MAGA that I could see was being the first (and now probably the last) would-be soldier in Steve Bannon’s war on Mitch McConnell (which I would say is probably over now; I’d be amazed if even half as many people would return a call from Steve Bannon today as would have yesterday).

    You enlist a kook in your cause, you run the risk that they’ll turn out to be kooky in other ways. Trump might be the one exception (and his success in business and in media shows that he knows how to manage and survive these scrapes), but don’t make the mistake of assuming that not being a normie in general terms somehow equates to being on the right side of issues. All that would have been needed out of a junior Senator from Alabama would have been one reliable Senate vote, and there’s next to no chance that a Republican Senator from Alabama would have been a McCain/Collins/Murkowski-style moderate or maverick.

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    You are pushing discredited allegations and forged evidence so hard that OFA must be really nervous about all this.
    , @istevefan

    And can we dispense with the “allegations” dodge?
     
    Have your looked at the photos of the evidence in the Washington Post? Scroll down to look at the scrapbook of movie tickets. Look at the orange ticket. Why would she have a "childs" ticket when she was 18 at the time?

    Additionally the woman with the yearbook even acknowledged that she added to the passages in her yearbook.

    I don't think it is unreasonable to question these documents. I believe in due process.

    Keep in mind these documents were not even necessary to prove assault. But because they were introduced to add weight to the claims, then so too should they discredit said claims if they have been altered or are fraudulent.
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    He was mostly associated with the dumbest sort of religious conservatism, the Kim Davis element, which hasn’t managed to conserve much of anything, and is lucky if it can even scrape out rearguard defenses of bakers who simply object to being singled out to be forced into participating in homosexual nuptials. This kind of stupidity in a less religious country repels more voters than it attracts. There are a lot of white working and middle class that find this idiocy disgusting. The government can barely do the things it supposed to do. Adding morality to the mix is a joke.And it coming from a guy babbling to Hannity about asking mom's permission to date their teen daughter was a circus. Could almost hear Hannity turning his mike off to say WHAT THE FU...
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  172. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    And he was brave enough to stand up to the homo and granny tyranny brigade. Which is extremely brave in 2017 for anyone, especially a politician.

    That woman in Charlottesville died of a heart attack. And let's see how you respond when your car is surrounded by a very violent, angry mob when you know the cops are standing down.

    That should be tranny tyranny not granny. Dang spell check.

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    Let's not understate the granny tyranny. They're the ones destroying the nation with their social security and medicare costs!
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  173. EdwardM says:
    @Prof. Woland
    Fresh from victory, it will be interesting to see if the Democrats double down on the witch hunt and start increasing the number fake up sexual harassment / racial discrimination charges against their political opponents. It certainly was not the only reason Moore lost but in the short run there seems to be very little downside. Trump will be the next target now that the Mueller probe seems to be falling apart. Like all cultural revolutions and moral panics everyone eventually becomes over exposed and then burnt out for at least a generation or two.

    They already started re-doubling down after Franken announced his intent to resign.

    At this morning’s hearing with DAG Rosenstein, most of the Democrats asked him whether he was ready now to sic DOJ on Trump for sexual “assault” or whatever. One particularly dumb CBC member kept asking if he or the accusers could formally register a complaint, and Rosenstein kept politely saying, any citizen can report what they believe to be a Federal crime to the FBI. The esteemed congressman apparently doesn’t know the difference between a tort and a crime nor between a Federal crime and a state crime.

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  174. istevefan says:
    @Matra
    What happened to Moore is pretty distinct to autumn 2017 and probably beyond. Namely, any woman who brings charges is to be believed, PERIOD. The accused is presumed guilty. And to defend the accused is to condone assault. Thus, we have the party immediately cutting ties to the accused.

    This is new to the past 3 months

    Though you are correct it is worth pointing out that the feminists/leftists have pushed this view that women never lie about such incidents for decades. Protests by women's groups backed by favourable media coverage following acquittals in sexual assault cases - no matter how little evidence of guilt there was - have been common since at least the early 90s. These protests have always been accompanied by demands for changes in both the legal system and the general culture, yet I don't recall the political Right ever seriously addressing such dangerous attacks on the presumption of innocence. Just like with multiculturalism, immigration, freedom of speech, and any other number of important issues conservatives throughout the Anglosphere (and elsewhere, I suspect) have been mostly MIA, thus allowing the Left to frame each issue without much, if any, resistance. Needless to say, these are the same MIA conservatives who now say they are morally obliged to resist Trump due to their deeply-held non-negotiable political principles.

    Though you are correct it is worth pointing out that the feminists/leftists have pushed this view that women never lie about such incidents for decades.

    Yes but back in the 1990s it was not uncommon to attack the accusers. Recall the Clinton machine basically calling all the Clinton accusers “white trash”. I think Carville once mentioned something about never knowing what one will find when you drag $100 through a trailer park.

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    Clinton was the exception to the rule due to politics. In normal cases with no politicians involved the media and activists made it look like every acquittal - even in he said, she said cases - was an insult to women and further evidence of their oppression and therefore the need to change laws, attitudes, etc. An entire generation, maybe two, growing up with that view rarely being challenged may be a contributing factor to today's hysteria.
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  175. EdwardM says:
    @unit472
    Pretty clear to me that Senator Shelby sank Moore. I hope the Alabama GOP run someone against him the primary and if that fails enough Moore voters will remember the kind of skunk Shelby is and sees to it he is put out to pasture or a nursing home.

    Agree. The Shelby anti-endorsement might have been worth a point or two. Why? He has been a solid conservative since he left the Dems and has nothing left to prove, it seems. Very unfortunate.

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  176. @Thomas
    Folks, the election is over, and obviously the efforts to split the conceptual atom between pedophilia and ephebophilia in the context of a 34 year-old man who had to be watched around a mall because he kept trolling for teenage girls, was propositioning girls through their mothers, was stalking after teenage girls in their high schools, did not carry the day with enough conservative-leaning voters in Alabama, a state that went 28 points for Trump, and had reelected Jeff Sessions with 97% of the vote three years ago. If you're at the point where you need to explain those distinctions and make those kinds of rationalizations to voters, you probably went with the wrong candidate. If anyone wants to issue nuanced apologias for that behavior, knock yourselves out. I don't think though that it can be reasonably debated that it doesn't look too good on a political candidate, particularly one who needs to win over socially-conservative voters and suburban parents, especially given these results.

    And can we dispense with the "allegations" dodge? Unless there was some grand conspiracy assembled in the last year between a dozen or so witnesses in Etowah County, Alabama 40 years ago and "Bernie Bernstein at the Washington Post" to smear Moore, the "allegations" that he had a lech for teenage girls were credible. (I found his defense that he "without the permission of her mother" particularly lulzy.)

    The fact is Moore was a long-known kook and self-promoter, one who had been twice kicked off the Alabama Supreme Court for valid reasons (refusing to enforce or attempting to interfere with enforcement of federal court orders), and who had twice lost attempted runs for Governor. I wouldn't have associated him so much with anything having to do with MAGA until recently, and that mostly attempting to ride Trump's coattails (which he's now tracked mud all over). He was mostly associated with the dumbest sort of religious conservatism, the Kim Davis element, which hasn't managed to conserve much of anything, and is lucky if it can even scrape out rearguard defenses of bakers who simply object to being singled out to be forced into participating in homosexual nuptials. The only real thing he would have brought to MAGA that I could see was being the first (and now probably the last) would-be soldier in Steve Bannon's war on Mitch McConnell (which I would say is probably over now; I'd be amazed if even half as many people would return a call from Steve Bannon today as would have yesterday).

    You enlist a kook in your cause, you run the risk that they'll turn out to be kooky in other ways. Trump might be the one exception (and his success in business and in media shows that he knows how to manage and survive these scrapes), but don't make the mistake of assuming that not being a normie in general terms somehow equates to being on the right side of issues. All that would have been needed out of a junior Senator from Alabama would have been one reliable Senate vote, and there's next to no chance that a Republican Senator from Alabama would have been a McCain/Collins/Murkowski-style moderate or maverick.

    You are pushing discredited allegations and forged evidence so hard that OFA must be really nervous about all this.

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  177. istevefan says:
    @Detective Club
    Trump crushed Hillary by about 28% in Alabama in 2016. 2016 turnout was 66.1% in Alabama. Moore lost by about 1 1/2%. Alabama turnout in 2017 was between 38% and 42%. Rather than vote for the Lefty Dem or "Kid-Toucher" Moore, Alabama Republicans stayed home.

    Rather than vote for the Lefty Dem or “Kid-Toucher” Moore, Alabama Republicans stayed home.

    Voter suppression. Mission accomplished.

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  178. If there’s one thing I’m seeing looking around its that spineless boomer cucks are ten times the enemy SJWs are.

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  179. EdwardM says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Ann Coulter says Alabama 2020 US Senate election campaign has started. She likes Mo Brooks.

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/941002829308792833

    Unfortunately Rep. Brooks just announced that he has prostate cancer, which may rule him out for 2020:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/364682-alabama-rep-mo-brooks-reveals-he-has-prostate-cancer

    I wonder if somehow the establishment knew this in advance and that’s why they didn’t support him? Of course there are plenty of simpler explanations.

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  180. @Jack Hanson
    Look at the cucks without a memory past two weeks ago come crawling outta the woodwork.

    Yep. And what amazes me is they always want to play by, and defend, the left’s playbook.

    They’re like the Washington Generals. Except, they pay for the privilege to be beaten.

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    They’re like the Washington Generals. Except, they pay for the privilege to be beaten.
     
    Lol. As opposed to juggernauts of winning, competence and good execution like Roy Moore.
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  181. istevefan says:
    @Thomas
    Folks, the election is over, and obviously the efforts to split the conceptual atom between pedophilia and ephebophilia in the context of a 34 year-old man who had to be watched around a mall because he kept trolling for teenage girls, was propositioning girls through their mothers, was stalking after teenage girls in their high schools, did not carry the day with enough conservative-leaning voters in Alabama, a state that went 28 points for Trump, and had reelected Jeff Sessions with 97% of the vote three years ago. If you're at the point where you need to explain those distinctions and make those kinds of rationalizations to voters, you probably went with the wrong candidate. If anyone wants to issue nuanced apologias for that behavior, knock yourselves out. I don't think though that it can be reasonably debated that it doesn't look too good on a political candidate, particularly one who needs to win over socially-conservative voters and suburban parents, especially given these results.

    And can we dispense with the "allegations" dodge? Unless there was some grand conspiracy assembled in the last year between a dozen or so witnesses in Etowah County, Alabama 40 years ago and "Bernie Bernstein at the Washington Post" to smear Moore, the "allegations" that he had a lech for teenage girls were credible. (I found his defense that he "without the permission of her mother" particularly lulzy.)

    The fact is Moore was a long-known kook and self-promoter, one who had been twice kicked off the Alabama Supreme Court for valid reasons (refusing to enforce or attempting to interfere with enforcement of federal court orders), and who had twice lost attempted runs for Governor. I wouldn't have associated him so much with anything having to do with MAGA until recently, and that mostly attempting to ride Trump's coattails (which he's now tracked mud all over). He was mostly associated with the dumbest sort of religious conservatism, the Kim Davis element, which hasn't managed to conserve much of anything, and is lucky if it can even scrape out rearguard defenses of bakers who simply object to being singled out to be forced into participating in homosexual nuptials. The only real thing he would have brought to MAGA that I could see was being the first (and now probably the last) would-be soldier in Steve Bannon's war on Mitch McConnell (which I would say is probably over now; I'd be amazed if even half as many people would return a call from Steve Bannon today as would have yesterday).

    You enlist a kook in your cause, you run the risk that they'll turn out to be kooky in other ways. Trump might be the one exception (and his success in business and in media shows that he knows how to manage and survive these scrapes), but don't make the mistake of assuming that not being a normie in general terms somehow equates to being on the right side of issues. All that would have been needed out of a junior Senator from Alabama would have been one reliable Senate vote, and there's next to no chance that a Republican Senator from Alabama would have been a McCain/Collins/Murkowski-style moderate or maverick.

    And can we dispense with the “allegations” dodge?

    Have your looked at the photos of the evidence in the Washington Post? Scroll down to look at the scrapbook of movie tickets. Look at the orange ticket. Why would she have a “childs” ticket when she was 18 at the time?

    Additionally the woman with the yearbook even acknowledged that she added to the passages in her yearbook.

    I don’t think it is unreasonable to question these documents. I believe in due process.

    Keep in mind these documents were not even necessary to prove assault. But because they were introduced to add weight to the claims, then so too should they discredit said claims if they have been altered or are fraudulent.

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    In case if the Washington Post delete the photo of the scrapbook of movie tickets, here a copy archived on Archive.is http://archive.is/hhb91
    https://archive.is/hhb91/483e3c62b9129c355809c8f102ac9153c5823e2e
    , @c matt
    But he's not talking about the yearbook or other documents. If I understand correctly, Moore himself stated in his defense that he got the mothers' permission to date their teenage daughters when he was in his mid-30s. Wow, great defense there Einstein. So the moms pimp out their teenage daughters to you, probably hoping for a profitable match like something out of a Jane Austen novel. That is supposed to resonate with 2017 suburban Alabamians?
    , @Thomas
    istevefan, Jack Hanson,

    Like I said fellas, election's over, your guy lost. If you want to pore over the fine points of these "allegations" for the next half-century, the way some people do over the JFK assassination, and rail against the fiendish cunning of the Washington Post or the unfairness that Moore was denied "due process," knock yourselves out. I don't live in or vote in Alabama, but it was clearly enough to convince enough Alabama Republicans to stay home or else write someone else in, probably along with other factors that made Moore an embarrassment and the only Republican in Alabama who could lose a statewide election. Establishment cucks have to live with the fact that the Republican electorate wants immigration restriction, MAGA/alt-right/etc., has to live with the fact that a large part of the Republican electorate considers sexual immorality a problem. I don't think there's any realistic dispute of the basic point that Moore pursued teenage girls as a mature adult man, and he pretty much refused to deny that point ("permission of her mother," again, lol). Roissy/Heartiste paeans to barely legal flesh and claims that "it was the 70's" aside, it's long been recognized that older men who are obligate pursuers of teenage girls have something wrong with them. (https://youtu.be/lBcAjLuo_Y8?t=6m36s)

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  182. @27 year old
    "Muh Mo Brooks"

    If Mo Brooks had also been accused of child rape and then stabbed in the back by his own party, I don't think he would have won either.

    But Mo Brooks wouldn't be accused, it wouldnt have been credible!

    Who gave Moore accusers credibility? Mitt Romney...

    Stop blaming Moore for the loss. The blame should be on the GOPe.

    Stop blaming Moore for the loss. The blame should be on the GOPe.

    The Republican Party ruling class would rather lose to a Democrat than allow a pro-sovereignty, immigration reductionist Republican candidate win an election. George W Bush, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and the rest of the mass immigration supporting GOP ruling class must be defeated.

    Mo Brooks was attacked in the Alabama US Senate GOP primary by Mitch McConnell because Brooks supports pro-American immigration reductions. That is how Moore beat McConnell’s candidate Luther Strange and Mo Brooks in the GOP primary. Jared Kushner told Trump to support Strange. Kushner supports mass immigration and an Israel First foreign policy.

    The open borders mass immigration faction of the Republican Party must be destroyed. Be aware that Tom Cotton is not to be trusted on immigration. Cotton is a Neo-Conservative who has been sneakily pushing a restrictionist immigration bill in order to neutralize the immigration issue. Cotton saw how immigration as an issue killed loads of GOP candidates in the 2016 presidential primary.

    Tom Cotton is a puppet for the Neo-Conservatives. Tom Cotton wants to drag the US military into more Iraq War debacles on behalf of Israel.

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  183. c matt says:
    @27 year old

    I don’t know how much substance there is to the accusations, but we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that anyone even half willing to be on board with some alt-rightish agenda will be at the very least odd (and possibly worse) in some way. If someone is normal, he’s most likely a normie as well.
     
    I think this analysis is wrong, or at least, doesn't apply to Moore. He didn't lose for being "odd" he lost because they called him a child rapist. What about him was "odd"? For that matter, what about him was alt-right? He's not a normie, but he was a hardcore Christian.

    The sex allegations were 1 that he tried to date girls of legal age in the 1970s and 2 that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s. The media spun 1 + 2 as "sexual misconduct with teens, including raping a 14yo".

    Thats not "well he's antiestablishment so he's got to be a little odd". A little odd is like he wrote sexually tinged lord of the rings fanfiction or had a bust of Julius Evola on his back patio or he ran a web forum about the anime Dragon Ball Z in the early 2000s or being a young earth creationist. They slandered him by accusing him of multiple child rapes.

    He didn't run on an alt right platform, or even a partway alt right platform. He ran on "I will vote for Trump's agenda". 60 million Americans voted for Trump's Agenda, too. That's tens of millions of people who are not in the least bit odd.

    This has been disjointed but what I'm trying to say is - I don't agree with "he was alt right so of course he had weird shit in his past". He didn't run on alt right ism, he ran on Trump's 2016 campaign promises and trying to date legal teens in the 1970s is not weird shit in the way you're implying it is.

    From what I understand, he did not deny the dating 16-18 yos when he was in his 30s. Sorry, but that does count as strange, even in 1970s Alabama. His polling numbers began to sink with those revelations so it is highly likely that turned off enough of his would-be supporters. In turn that was enough to send the election the other way. Don’t know what his story about the 14 year old was – did he say he only tried to seduce her but stopped as soon as she felt uncomfortable? If he copped to anything even remotely like that, color me shocked that he lost support.

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    "Strange" is a long way from illegal, and it wouldn't be "strange" in most contexts through history anyway. All this talk of "pedophilia" regarding teenaged girls is nothing but self-serving hysteria stemming from women intent on hedging off younger competition. There's nothing physiologically significant about the age of 18, long before which point most of them have lost their innocence to the football team/campus drug dealer anyway.
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  184. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Moore was a guy who claimed to be a big Christian, yet he dated a 14-year old girl. He was a sanctimonious hypocrite. Religious Southerners understand sanctimonious hypocrites very well–they’ve suffered a lot from them over the decades, and they really dislike this sort of guy.

    Nor was any Alabaman parent with daughters in the 12-16 age range going to be voting for Moore. An older man who chases after girls in this age range is someone who really gets off on being the seducer of naive young virgins, and parents automatically loathe him for trying to get their daughters into trouble.

    Rule: Don’t expect voters who elect someone they wouldn’t trust in the same room with their own kin.

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    Yes, much better that they lose their virginity to Jamal the linebacker than a rising politician.
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  185. Hrw-500 says:
    @istevefan

    And can we dispense with the “allegations” dodge?
     
    Have your looked at the photos of the evidence in the Washington Post? Scroll down to look at the scrapbook of movie tickets. Look at the orange ticket. Why would she have a "childs" ticket when she was 18 at the time?

    Additionally the woman with the yearbook even acknowledged that she added to the passages in her yearbook.

    I don't think it is unreasonable to question these documents. I believe in due process.

    Keep in mind these documents were not even necessary to prove assault. But because they were introduced to add weight to the claims, then so too should they discredit said claims if they have been altered or are fraudulent.

    In case if the Washington Post delete the photo of the scrapbook of movie tickets, here a copy archived on Archive.is http://archive.is/hhb91

    https://archive.is/hhb91/483e3c62b9129c355809c8f102ac9153c5823e2e

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  186. @Barnard
    That seemed to be the argument that worked against Moore. A class of people in Alabama were embarrassed by him. They don't realize coastal elites are going despise and mock them no matter what they do. It would be better to focus on breaking the hold popular culture has on society than obsess about individual elections like this.

    We don’t care about coastal elites. Moore would be an embarrassment even if Alabama was its own country. Moore is a joke and always has been and NEVER does well even in Alabama despite his crazy (and not that big, maybe 1/3 of the electorate) longtime base of support. We’ve been exposed to this guy’s antics for a quarter century. The right is better off without Israel worshipping kooks whose only argument is to rant about gays and “baby killing” like it’s still the 80s or 90s. Moore even did his stumping almost solely at Baptist churches and barns, and had pastors robocalling houses. His whole personality/campaign was extremely grating to people who aren’t hyper-religious and this vote was more an indictment of Moore rather than a sign of some political shift. Any standard Republican would have won. Black turnout was not that big of a deal because they always turn out for Dems in high numbers here, with the exception of Hillary who had their turnout depressed.

    If the right wing or alt lite wants to hang on in the future then they must drop guys like Moore and people whose first choice are guys like Moore. That was the general consensus in these parts a few years ago, I am not sure what has changed in that people are suddenly so upset over a (predictable) loss like this. A lot more to gain by bringing more white “normies” over than there is pandering to the nuttiest fringe who will always support conservatives anyway. Trump won because he managed to pull some independents and democrats over, not because of evangelicals. Trump had the correct instinct in endorsing Strange and staying out of the election subsequently, it’s a shame someone clearly forced him to wade into the fray and promote Moore at the last minute. I wonder who gave the bad advice.

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  187. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Thank goodness.

    Looking at the demographic data People of Color voted for Jones at 95%

    whites voted for Moore at 70% and white men at 80%

    Why do white men hate America?

    It looks once again People of Color especially Black Women have saved the day

    This is why demographic change is so important. Only when evil white "men" are stripped of power will pedophilia and racism be killed

    Ohs Tinys…..

    - Lendert “Dey putted us on teh busses and buyd us lunchs to vote” Pitt

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  189. eah says:
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    That does seem kind of improbable.
    , @eah, @ScarletNumber
    Considering Trump didn't endorse Moore in his primary and Moore was a lousy candidate, I believe it 100 percent.
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  190. c matt says:
    @istevefan

    And can we dispense with the “allegations” dodge?
     
    Have your looked at the photos of the evidence in the Washington Post? Scroll down to look at the scrapbook of movie tickets. Look at the orange ticket. Why would she have a "childs" ticket when she was 18 at the time?

    Additionally the woman with the yearbook even acknowledged that she added to the passages in her yearbook.

    I don't think it is unreasonable to question these documents. I believe in due process.

    Keep in mind these documents were not even necessary to prove assault. But because they were introduced to add weight to the claims, then so too should they discredit said claims if they have been altered or are fraudulent.

    But he’s not talking about the yearbook or other documents. If I understand correctly, Moore himself stated in his defense that he got the mothers’ permission to date their teenage daughters when he was in his mid-30s. Wow, great defense there Einstein. So the moms pimp out their teenage daughters to you, probably hoping for a profitable match like something out of a Jane Austen novel. That is supposed to resonate with 2017 suburban Alabamians?

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    But he’s not talking about the yearbook or other documents. If I understand correctly, Moore himself stated in his defense that he got the mothers’ permission to date their teenage daughters when he was in his mid-30s. Wow, great defense there Einstein. So the moms pimp out their teenage daughters to you, probably hoping for a profitable match like something out of a Jane Austen novel. That is supposed to resonate with 2017 suburban Alabamians?
     
    Yeah, afterall, they're not Hillbillies....................like Jerry Seinfeld, who started dating his (now) wife when he was 39 and she was 17, or New Wave musician Doug Fieger:

    My Sharona

    Those guys are backwoods crackers straight out of Tobacco Road or Dogpatch.

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  191. Thomas says:
    @istevefan

    And can we dispense with the “allegations” dodge?
     
    Have your looked at the photos of the evidence in the Washington Post? Scroll down to look at the scrapbook of movie tickets. Look at the orange ticket. Why would she have a "childs" ticket when she was 18 at the time?

    Additionally the woman with the yearbook even acknowledged that she added to the passages in her yearbook.

    I don't think it is unreasonable to question these documents. I believe in due process.

    Keep in mind these documents were not even necessary to prove assault. But because they were introduced to add weight to the claims, then so too should they discredit said claims if they have been altered or are fraudulent.

    istevefan, Jack Hanson,

    Like I said fellas, election’s over, your guy lost. If you want to pore over the fine points of these “allegations” for the next half-century, the way some people do over the JFK assassination, and rail against the fiendish cunning of the Washington Post or the unfairness that Moore was denied “due process,” knock yourselves out. I don’t live in or vote in Alabama, but it was clearly enough to convince enough Alabama Republicans to stay home or else write someone else in, probably along with other factors that made Moore an embarrassment and the only Republican in Alabama who could lose a statewide election. Establishment cucks have to live with the fact that the Republican electorate wants immigration restriction, MAGA/alt-right/etc., has to live with the fact that a large part of the Republican electorate considers sexual immorality a problem. I don’t think there’s any realistic dispute of the basic point that Moore pursued teenage girls as a mature adult man, and he pretty much refused to deny that point (“permission of her mother,” again, lol). Roissy/Heartiste paeans to barely legal flesh and claims that “it was the 70′s” aside, it’s long been recognized that older men who are obligate pursuers of teenage girls have something wrong with them. (https://youtu.be/lBcAjLuo_Y8?t=6m36s)

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    Like I said fellas, election’s over, your guy lost.
     
    Oh ho ho. Duly noted.
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  192. Matra says:
    @istevefan

    Though you are correct it is worth pointing out that the feminists/leftists have pushed this view that women never lie about such incidents for decades.
     
    Yes but back in the 1990s it was not uncommon to attack the accusers. Recall the Clinton machine basically calling all the Clinton accusers "white trash". I think Carville once mentioned something about never knowing what one will find when you drag $100 through a trailer park.

    Clinton was the exception to the rule due to politics. In normal cases with no politicians involved the media and activists made it look like every acquittal – even in he said, she said cases – was an insult to women and further evidence of their oppression and therefore the need to change laws, attitudes, etc. An entire generation, maybe two, growing up with that view rarely being challenged may be a contributing factor to today’s hysteria.

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  193. Ian M. says:
    @Cloudbuster
    a child rapist

    that he raped a 14 year old in the 1970s

    Nope. Full stop. He was accused of getting down to underwear with the girl, making out a bit, and then immediately stopping and taking her home when she got uncomfortable.

    Even aside from the fact that the girls' story was falling apart due to inaccuracies and impossibilities in the details, that's not rape.

    None of the allegations involved child rape. Can we at least use accurate terms here, instead of leftist propaganda?

    He was accused of getting down to underwear with the girl, making out a bit, and then immediately stopping and taking her home when she got uncomfortable.

    Still pretty messed up.

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    As I said, her story is falling apart.

    She will now promptly disappear back into the woodwork, having delivered her payload, and we will never hear from her again.
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  194. Hail says: • Website

    How much is that one Alabama Senate seat worth?

    435 House members
    100 Senators

    To account for the smaller number of Senators but equal power between branches:
    House Weight: 435 x 1 = 435
    Senate Weight: 100 x 4.35 = 435 (4.35/Senator)

    House @ two-year terms
    Senate @ six-year terms

    To accounts for term lengths
    [House Weight] x 2 = 870 (2.0/House Member)
    [Senate Weight] x 6 = 2,610 (26.1/Senator)

    [Total Weighted Power, U.S. Congress, both branches]
    3,480

    13.05: The weight of Alabama’s second Senate seat, vacant, to be filled Jan. 2018 to Jan. 2021, three years (i.e., half the length of normal Senator’s weight).

    The loss of the Alabama Senate seat, weighted, is thus 13.05/3480 = 0.375% of Congressional Power transferred from R to D last night.

    ___________________________

    As for this “Weighted Congressional Power” calculation, about 1,000 of of the slots are Solid D, never changing, about 1,000 are Solid R, never changing, and at very max 1,480 are potentially swingeable (historically). The loss of the 13.05 slots in Alabama does come from the 1,000 Solid R column (1.3% of the Solid R Congressional Strength, as here proposed), but will be won back in Nov. 2020 and from 2021 will be back to Solid R.

    So many things go into pushing marginal voters one way or another and turnout that the one-time loss of 0.4% of Congressional Strength (as here proposed), is trivial. The Trump Strategy won in Nov 2016, and could win again, with marginal Whites and turnout thereof, swamping these flukes and minor fluctuations.

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  195. @MarcW
    The accusations against Moore were credible. His denials were not. People don't want to take time off in the Christmas preparations to go vote for the mall perv.

    Trump has been pretty ineffective as president which is going to tamper down enthusiasm. Enthusiasm will be low at least until the wall gets started. Instead of any discussion about the wall, we're having a discussion about the same old tax cutting agenda that the party has had going since Reagan. Trump, personally will benefit, but I think voters in Alabama have figured out that they won't.

    When did you stop having sex with your mother?

    See how I did that.

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  196. Matra says:

    Open Thread on Alabama Election

    Sorry, I wasn’t paying much attention.

    You seem to have lost some interest in politics since Trump came on the scene.

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  197. JimB says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Aside from the obvious, which is that October Surprises are damaging, it appears Roy Moore was not a good candidate.

    He's apparently widely viewed in Alabama as an annoying grandstander, he was clueless on policy issues (did not know what DACA was!), and for all his testosterone he ran a surprisingly low energy campaign. In the final week he disappeared for several days to visit his alma mater.

    James Kirkpatrick has a special writeup here: http://www.vdare.com/articles/msm-triumphs-as-gop-establishment-sabotages-winnable-alabama-senate-race

    That said, what I will always remember from this race is all the pathetic beta lickspittles who accused Roy Moore of PEDOPHILIA for dating teenagers.

    Heartiste/Roissy posted a photo of a 14 year-old Kim Kardashion on his blog: https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/kardashian14.jpeg?w=500&h=462

    It's not pedophilia to want to motorboat that.

    O.J. Simpson would agree with you.

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  198. Marat says:
    @schrub
    The results of this election are statistically impossible. Moore could only have lost if his white suppporters simply didn't turn up. In fact they did turn up.

    There has to be other, more devious factors, involved here. Were illegal aliens allowed to vote? Ex cons? Were the votes tampered with? Did people vote multiple times? Were dead people voted? Anybody who knows anything about Chicago politics under the Daly family dynasty knows how easy it is to corrupt an election.

    What was George Soros, along with his virtually unlimited source of funds, doing to influence this election? If he was half as active in Alabama as he has been trying to corrupt politics in Hungary, he was very involved. Was he paying people to vote?

    Deep down this election wasn't really about Moore. It was about who will control the the next Supreme Court nominations. What was done to Moore by the media resembles the similarly outlandish charges that were leveled against Clarence Thomas during the excruciating ordeal that he had to endure in the run up to the vote on his Supreme Court nomination. Thomas was virtually crucified while the Republican establishment simply stood by in silence. The RINOS disliked him as much as the democrats did.

    And then there is Alabama Senator Richard Shelby who went out of his way to sabotage Moore's election despite the potentially great effects this might have for the Republican Party in Washington and nationally. Shelby undoubtedly knew how a loss by Moore will now make it virtually impossible for a conservative Supreme Court to be pass muster considering the voting habits of faux Republicans Senators like Susan Collins. Collins will now be even more than willing to vote against any right wing nominees. If any Supreme Court judge now retires his/her replacement, at a bare minimum, will be another David Souter.

    Any word on how many votes Kristol’s McMuffin-style write-in garnered? Between that guy, the felons, bussed in bodies and illegals, well pretty soon you’re talking 1-1.5%, safely above the .5% near-miss. Expect this from here on out as SOP. If the candidates don’t improve, and can’t manage a margin, they will deserve to lose.

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  199. Boethiuss says:
    @istevefan

    Oh bullshit. Is that what happened to Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, Tom Cotton etc, etc? Of course not.
     
    Stop being obtuse. What happened to Moore is pretty distinct to autumn 2017 and probably beyond. Namely, any woman who brings charges is to be believed, PERIOD. The accused is presumed guilty. And to defend the accused is to condone assault. Thus, we have the party immediately cutting ties to the accused.

    This is new to the past 3 months, so much so that Time even made the "silence breakers" their person of the year. Had the adults stood up to this it might have ended. But now that that precedent has been set, it will be a weapon for future campaigns. And why not given that we are not even allowed to challenge the allegations?

    This is new to the past 3 months, so much so that Time even made the “silence breakers” their person of the year. Had the adults stood up to this it might have ended. But now that that precedent has been set, it will be a weapon for future campaigns. And why not given that we are not even allowed to challenge the allegations?

    The he’s not. He just didn’t have anything meaningful to say.

    Why did he stay in the race anyway? Like somehow there was nothing he could do. That’s bullshit.
    He could have left the race. And the party base and the establishment should have forced him out.

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  200. Trump offends Steve’s Boomer sensibilities. You could hear him getting wet over polished Mitt Romney despite Romney being everything Steve claims to argue against.

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  201. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Yeah if we continue to acquiesce to sodomites and baby killers we will eventually "get our country back". LOL. That strategy has really worked for us.

    The only reason I'm legally carrying a gun right now is because the 2A defenders never give an inch.

    The left and GOPe hate me and want to see me dead. They are playing for keeps. Are you?

    I am playing for keeps. That’s why I say if “liberal” Alabamans want to abort their babies we should probably let them.

    The right-wing obsession with religion is what blinded them to what was happening to their country. We’re all equal in God’s eyes, I hear. Hell the whole SJW/left-wing are just conservative Christians who decided God was dead but kept the radical equalist tenets. We need a better cohort of conservatives than Bible thumpers if we want to have a chance of becoming a less progressive country.

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    You mean like communism?
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  202. pedro says:

    Frankly -

    The reason that “believe the woman” has become such a mantra is that groping and other unwanted touching are still so very common. My wife can recall her first big meeting as a p[rofessional wherea highly placed official from a major city laid his hand on her thigh under the table. 20 years later she’s still angry, mostly because there was no way she could resist without creating a scene and losing a major account. It’s an adolescent fantasy that women think it’s “hot” or are secretly flattered. The discussion needs to start with this reognition.

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  203. L Woods says:
    @c matt
    From what I understand, he did not deny the dating 16-18 yos when he was in his 30s. Sorry, but that does count as strange, even in 1970s Alabama. His polling numbers began to sink with those revelations so it is highly likely that turned off enough of his would-be supporters. In turn that was enough to send the election the other way. Don't know what his story about the 14 year old was - did he say he only tried to seduce her but stopped as soon as she felt uncomfortable? If he copped to anything even remotely like that, color me shocked that he lost support.

    “Strange” is a long way from illegal, and it wouldn’t be “strange” in most contexts through history anyway. All this talk of “pedophilia” regarding teenaged girls is nothing but self-serving hysteria stemming from women intent on hedging off younger competition. There’s nothing physiologically significant about the age of 18, long before which point most of them have lost their innocence to the football team/campus drug dealer anyway.

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  204. Pericles says:
    @Thomas
    istevefan, Jack Hanson,

    Like I said fellas, election's over, your guy lost. If you want to pore over the fine points of these "allegations" for the next half-century, the way some people do over the JFK assassination, and rail against the fiendish cunning of the Washington Post or the unfairness that Moore was denied "due process," knock yourselves out. I don't live in or vote in Alabama, but it was clearly enough to convince enough Alabama Republicans to stay home or else write someone else in, probably along with other factors that made Moore an embarrassment and the only Republican in Alabama who could lose a statewide election. Establishment cucks have to live with the fact that the Republican electorate wants immigration restriction, MAGA/alt-right/etc., has to live with the fact that a large part of the Republican electorate considers sexual immorality a problem. I don't think there's any realistic dispute of the basic point that Moore pursued teenage girls as a mature adult man, and he pretty much refused to deny that point ("permission of her mother," again, lol). Roissy/Heartiste paeans to barely legal flesh and claims that "it was the 70's" aside, it's long been recognized that older men who are obligate pursuers of teenage girls have something wrong with them. (https://youtu.be/lBcAjLuo_Y8?t=6m36s)

    Like I said fellas, election’s over, your guy lost.

    Oh ho ho. Duly noted.

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  205. Boethiuss says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Bulls--t. He was not manifestly guilty. istevefan laid out an excellent argument and you manifestly believe the scumbags from the left and GOPe. And who are these great candidates of which you speak? You mean McCain, Flake, Ryan, Romney. Those candidates?

    How can there be this much stupid blindness in the world?

    He was not manifestly guilty. istevefan laid out an excellent argument and you manifestly believe the scumbags from the left and GOPe. And who are these great candidates of which you speak? You mean McCain, Flake, Ryan, Romney. Those candidates?

    No, I believe the women, plural, who have gone on record with their full names and corroborating evidence.

    He could have admitted the accusations against him, which let’s face it are more or less true. You could likely say that they weren’t that bad and they happened a long time ago. But of course he didn’t. They did the usual bullshit of deny and threatened to sue, in a situation where he was clearly lying.

    This is a problem for crank candidates especially. There was already the bit about the 10 Commandments and other problems with his performance as the chief judge in Alabama. We can’t ever let anything slide because there’s going to be the next issue tomorrow.

    There’s no way he would have made it through a GOP primary with these issues holding over his head, so the only reason he got as far as he did was because of a successful deception over GOP primary voters. We need more discipline and less ego from the people who are supposedly going to help us in Washington.

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    Two women, one of whom admitted fabricating evidence against him.

    You believe women when they accuse Republican,s no matter how flimsy the evidence, while not believing women who accuse Democrats, not matter how solid the evidence.

    Duly noted. Perhaps you should have been a journalist.

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  206. Boethiuss says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Reminder that Steve Bannon, for all his faults, did not run Moore's campaign or light a fire under millions of dollars to beat Mo Brooks in the primary.

    Reminder that Steve Bannon, for all his faults, did not run Moore’s campaign…..

    What are you talking about, that’s exactly what he did.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/364391-bannon-special-place-in-hell-for-republicans-who-dont-support-trump-moore

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    What the hell are YOU talking about?

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/1/roy-moore-campaign-manager-nra-board-us-now/

    Bill Armistead was running his campaign, you fool. Gosh damn you're going to have to change your name again out of shame after this thread, you schmuck.
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  207. LondonBob says:

    Dodged a bullet, there is more to come out about Moore and his affection for a little too young for comfort girls.

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    Makes no sense to say dodged a bullet. Impeaching Moore or having him resign, would have resulted in the republican governor of Alabama naming his successor. That successor would vote generally much better than Doug jones on some vital issues, including the future composition of our country through immigration, and would tend to have an advantage in name recognition and incumbency when it came time to win reelection on his own.

    Fools in Alabama should have voted for Moore and then pushed him to quit after he was sworn in and Traitor Jones thereby denied that powerful seat.
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  208. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan both support mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. McConnell and Ryan are only preventing from openly pushing total mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders because they know that would cause instant civil war in the GOP.

    That is why Boehner killed the Obama/Rubio Mass Immigration Surge — Illegal Alien Amnesty bill S744 in the US House.

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  209. Boethiuss says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Yep. And what amazes me is they always want to play by, and defend, the left's playbook.

    They're like the Washington Generals. Except, they pay for the privilege to be beaten.

    They’re like the Washington Generals. Except, they pay for the privilege to be beaten.

    Lol. As opposed to juggernauts of winning, competence and good execution like Roy Moore.

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    Bannon is 8 and 1, while you were crying about how doomed we were during the general election and got so embarassed you had to change your name to hide your posting career.

    Maybe sit this one out before you need a third name change.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    As defined by the left which you appear to be a proud member.
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  210. L Woods says:
    @Anon
    Moore was a guy who claimed to be a big Christian, yet he dated a 14-year old girl. He was a sanctimonious hypocrite. Religious Southerners understand sanctimonious hypocrites very well--they've suffered a lot from them over the decades, and they really dislike this sort of guy.

    Nor was any Alabaman parent with daughters in the 12-16 age range going to be voting for Moore. An older man who chases after girls in this age range is someone who really gets off on being the seducer of naive young virgins, and parents automatically loathe him for trying to get their daughters into trouble.

    Rule: Don't expect voters who elect someone they wouldn't trust in the same room with their own kin.

    Yes, much better that they lose their virginity to Jamal the linebacker than a rising politician.

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  211. Pericles says:
    @Pericles
    Isn't the real story the enormously successful GOTV of the Democrats?

    Or whatever happened.

    Following an eleventh-hour order instructing voting officials in Alabama to keep the digital ballots generated in Tuesday’s controversial Senate election, the state’s Supreme Court has issued a stay to block that decision.

    https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/alabama-digital-records-vote-roy-moore/

    Lol, perhaps they magnanimously want to save Moore from a painful loss after a recount.

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  212. Boethiuss says:
    @MarcW
    The accusations against Moore were credible. His denials were not. People don't want to take time off in the Christmas preparations to go vote for the mall perv.

    Trump has been pretty ineffective as president which is going to tamper down enthusiasm. Enthusiasm will be low at least until the wall gets started. Instead of any discussion about the wall, we're having a discussion about the same old tax cutting agenda that the party has had going since Reagan. Trump, personally will benefit, but I think voters in Alabama have figured out that they won't.

    The accusations against Moore were credible. His denials were not. People don’t want to take time off in the Christmas preparations to go vote for the mall perv.

    Yeah, this.

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  213. @Tiny Duck
    Thank goodness.

    Looking at the demographic data People of Color voted for Jones at 95%

    whites voted for Moore at 70% and white men at 80%

    Why do white men hate America?

    It looks once again People of Color especially Black Women have saved the day

    This is why demographic change is so important. Only when evil white "men" are stripped of power will pedophilia and racism be killed

    Now I KNOW you’re kidding.

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  214. Bugg says:
    @Thomas
    Folks, the election is over, and obviously the efforts to split the conceptual atom between pedophilia and ephebophilia in the context of a 34 year-old man who had to be watched around a mall because he kept trolling for teenage girls, was propositioning girls through their mothers, was stalking after teenage girls in their high schools, did not carry the day with enough conservative-leaning voters in Alabama, a state that went 28 points for Trump, and had reelected Jeff Sessions with 97% of the vote three years ago. If you're at the point where you need to explain those distinctions and make those kinds of rationalizations to voters, you probably went with the wrong candidate. If anyone wants to issue nuanced apologias for that behavior, knock yourselves out. I don't think though that it can be reasonably debated that it doesn't look too good on a political candidate, particularly one who needs to win over socially-conservative voters and suburban parents, especially given these results.

    And can we dispense with the "allegations" dodge? Unless there was some grand conspiracy assembled in the last year between a dozen or so witnesses in Etowah County, Alabama 40 years ago and "Bernie Bernstein at the Washington Post" to smear Moore, the "allegations" that he had a lech for teenage girls were credible. (I found his defense that he "without the permission of her mother" particularly lulzy.)

    The fact is Moore was a long-known kook and self-promoter, one who had been twice kicked off the Alabama Supreme Court for valid reasons (refusing to enforce or attempting to interfere with enforcement of federal court orders), and who had twice lost attempted runs for Governor. I wouldn't have associated him so much with anything having to do with MAGA until recently, and that mostly attempting to ride Trump's coattails (which he's now tracked mud all over). He was mostly associated with the dumbest sort of religious conservatism, the Kim Davis element, which hasn't managed to conserve much of anything, and is lucky if it can even scrape out rearguard defenses of bakers who simply object to being singled out to be forced into participating in homosexual nuptials. The only real thing he would have brought to MAGA that I could see was being the first (and now probably the last) would-be soldier in Steve Bannon's war on Mitch McConnell (which I would say is probably over now; I'd be amazed if even half as many people would return a call from Steve Bannon today as would have yesterday).

    You enlist a kook in your cause, you run the risk that they'll turn out to be kooky in other ways. Trump might be the one exception (and his success in business and in media shows that he knows how to manage and survive these scrapes), but don't make the mistake of assuming that not being a normie in general terms somehow equates to being on the right side of issues. All that would have been needed out of a junior Senator from Alabama would have been one reliable Senate vote, and there's next to no chance that a Republican Senator from Alabama would have been a McCain/Collins/Murkowski-style moderate or maverick.

    He was mostly associated with the dumbest sort of religious conservatism, the Kim Davis element, which hasn’t managed to conserve much of anything, and is lucky if it can even scrape out rearguard defenses of bakers who simply object to being singled out to be forced into participating in homosexual nuptials. This kind of stupidity in a less religious country repels more voters than it attracts. There are a lot of white working and middle class that find this idiocy disgusting. The government can barely do the things it supposed to do. Adding morality to the mix is a joke.And it coming from a guy babbling to Hannity about asking mom’s permission to date their teen daughter was a circus. Could almost hear Hannity turning his mike off to say WHAT THE FU…

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  215. Currahee says:
    @Peter Johnson
    Given the current climate toward accusations of sexual misbehavior, Roy Moore would have continued as a liability if he had won. His loss of the election can be interpreted perhaps as positive for the alt-right agenda, even in the medium term.

    Yes, he certainly would have dick-stepped with some sort of Christian gibberish followed by apologetic Zionist slobbbering.

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  216. ChrisZ says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    Better off this way. Why leave the Republicans stuck with a pervy Senator that the Democrats and the MSM will drag up every election? This seat flips back to the Republicans next election as long as they can find a candidate who restricts himself to dating women that have a driver’s license.

    The Democrats are far more suceptable to sex scandals, and the results of this election will keep the focus on them.

    Agree completely, NJTC. (We may be on the same train as I type this, BTW.) I prefer to spend my energy arguing on behalf of the Wall rather than defending Moore. Although to be honest, we’ve all argued enough and it’s past time to see the Wall erected in all its glory.

    About Dems being more susceptible to sex scandals than Reps: it’s true of course, even if it’s a pitifully low standard. When it was revealed that zero-charisma R-Sen. Pete Domenici had knocked up his own R colleague Paul Laxalt’s daughter, it was clear to me that misconduct was deeply entrenched everywhere in the capital.

    The difference is the Left has taken to using sexual misconduct accusations against the Right proactively and tactically, with no return fire from the Right. (Indeed, misconduct is not even necessary. Recall that Obama won his Senate seat when Jack Ryan was accused of having sex with his own wife—actress Jerry Ryan.)

    To neutralize the threat, the Right would need to strike a “balance of terror.”

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    The accusation in the Ryan divorce, unsealed really for political reasons by a wacky judge, was that Mr. Ryan wanted to take Mrs. Ryan to an orgy at a club which catered to that kind of thing.
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  217. @Boethiuss


    Reminder that Steve Bannon, for all his faults, did not run Moore’s campaign.....
     
    What are you talking about, that's exactly what he did.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/364391-bannon-special-place-in-hell-for-republicans-who-dont-support-trump-moore

    What the hell are YOU talking about?

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/1/roy-moore-campaign-manager-nra-board-us-now/

    Bill Armistead was running his campaign, you fool. Gosh damn you’re going to have to change your name again out of shame after this thread, you schmuck.

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    What the hell are YOU talking about?
     
    What do you mean what am I talking about? I'm talking about the fact that when the shit was hitting the fan and it looked like Moore was going to be pressured out of the race, Steve Bannon came from Breitbart to organize and speak at a bunch of rallies and thereby hope to pull his irons out of the fire, thereby losing an otherwise unloseable race. A race which you thought Moore was going to win up till yesterday (since you like to keep score on such things).

    That's what I'm talking about.
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  218. @Boethiuss

    They’re like the Washington Generals. Except, they pay for the privilege to be beaten.
     
    Lol. As opposed to juggernauts of winning, competence and good execution like Roy Moore.

    Bannon is 8 and 1, while you were crying about how doomed we were during the general election and got so embarassed you had to change your name to hide your posting career.

    Maybe sit this one out before you need a third name change.

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    You thought Moore was going to win as of two days ago, so maybe you should start commenting as Jack Hansonn.
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  219. Boethiuss says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...
    How's that been working for you?

    How’s that been working for you?

    It worked pretty well in 2010 and 2014

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  220. @Pat Hannagan
    One is always remindered, in one of your squalid hate sessions of the lower IQ classes that they do feel the sting of death every bit as much as you do, Sir Steve.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWbiVqlSMgc

    One is always remindered, in one of your squalid hate sessions of the lower IQ classes that they do feel the sting of death every bit as much as you do…

    Yes, many’s the time I’ve been remindered of exactly this.

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  221. Eagle Eye says:
    @Bliss
    Bannon’s reputation and credibility just took a big hit.

    Bannon’s reputation and credibility just took a big hit.

    On the contrary, Bannon made the best of a bad hand, and no doubt told Trump exactly that this is what was happening.

    Bannon will depart 7 weeks before the end of the Trump presidency.

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  222. @Boethiuss

    They’re like the Washington Generals. Except, they pay for the privilege to be beaten.
     
    Lol. As opposed to juggernauts of winning, competence and good execution like Roy Moore.

    As defined by the left which you appear to be a proud member.

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    As defined by the left which you appear to be a proud member.
     
    Cut the crap. It ought to be obvious by now that the winning Right politics is a conservative/nationalist fusion coalition. It was obvious the day before yesterday even, but it's even more plain now.

    Instead, the alt-right has egged us on to a crank politics for its own sake. I actually like fringe-y people, even fringe-y politics for the most part, but there's a reason why they never go anywhere and mainstream politics just keeps plugging away.

    Politics is about trust, and the flakes don't have it. That's the thing that they need to appreciate and understand. There's the fear that at any time they're an eyelash away from going off on some bullshit about the n****rs or the Jews or flouride in the water Derb-style and make themselves radioactive along with anyone who associates with them.

    Roy Moore was already a flake. He was already at the end of the rope where normies could trust him, or at least believe that the damage he could cause would be contained. Then we got the underage sex scandals, and that was a bridge too far.

    And for emphasis, the more successful the alt-right is, the more important this will be. Like those people marching in Charlottesville. Nobody cared about them when it was last August and Hillary was 12 points ahead in the polls. But now, Trump is in office and so people have to wonder: are those people actual Nazis or actual KKK and if they were how would I know the difference?

    Alt-righters haven't internalized any of this, to be honest I'm not sure they can. But even so they shouldn't be deluding themselves into thinking that people have no other choices when they plainly do. Eg, Roy Moore.
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  223. but says:
    @Classical Liberal
    https://twitter.com/TheToddSchulte/status/940801428041486337

    Great win tonight for common sense immigration reform.

    Liberalism, classical or whatever, means ‘whatever I feel like at any moment is good and right’ to women. JS Mill proposes that only that which injures others should be restricted by the state. Which only applies to men, who injure women by their very existence, in word and deed. Mill himself with his creepy muse would be with the feminists now. Classical liberalism is a recipe for feminocracy. Exactly as we are seeing. It’s not an answer, it’s the cause of the current problem.

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  224. @Moral Stone
    I am playing for keeps. That's why I say if "liberal" Alabamans want to abort their babies we should probably let them.

    The right-wing obsession with religion is what blinded them to what was happening to their country. We're all equal in God's eyes, I hear. Hell the whole SJW/left-wing are just conservative Christians who decided God was dead but kept the radical equalist tenets. We need a better cohort of conservatives than Bible thumpers if we want to have a chance of becoming a less progressive country.

    You mean like communism?

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    You think communism is a conservative ideology, with its implementation of radical egalitarianism and blank slate ideology? You’re either a troll or an idiot and either way I’m done arguing with you.
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  225. Currahee says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Thank goodness.

    Looking at the demographic data People of Color voted for Jones at 95%

    whites voted for Moore at 70% and white men at 80%

    Why do white men hate America?

    It looks once again People of Color especially Black Women have saved the day

    This is why demographic change is so important. Only when evil white "men" are stripped of power will pedophilia and racism be killed

    Go Kamala, go Girl!

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  226. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Yeah if we continue to acquiesce to sodomites and baby killers we will eventually "get our country back". LOL. That strategy has really worked for us.

    The only reason I'm legally carrying a gun right now is because the 2A defenders never give an inch.

    The left and GOPe hate me and want to see me dead. They are playing for keeps. Are you?

    lighten up, Francis

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  227. @Polynices
    Eh. It was pretty close despite everything. This is very much one of those political events where absolutely any outcome could be spun in whatever direction is convenient to the speaker.

    Trump was terrible! Moore was terrible! McConnell was terrible! Democrats are terrible! If only [fill-in-the-blank] was less terrible or did what I prefer, Moore would have won!

    But it was actually close. Shouldn't overinterpret.

    Shouldn’t be close in Alabama ‘though. Not much to interpret there.

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  228. @Thomas
    In a shocking upset, the pedophile and twice defrocked judge lost.

    And of course, in a few years actual pedophilia will be legitimized, since the practitioners were “born that way”. Just as homos and trannys were redefined into perfectly-normal non-perverts, pedos will be given the seal of globohomo approval.

    But in the Current Year, a nationalist and reliable MAGA supporter got successfully smeared with an unearned label…one that will soon be retconned into “respectability”.

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    The left (and shortly thereafter the cucked right) will find a rationalization for making the sodomizing of a 6 year old boy acceptable (nay, laudable!) but dating a 16 year old girl EVIL. "Something something patriarchy, something something power imbalance, something something loser." See? That wasn't hard.
    , @Thomas

    And of course, in a few years actual pedophilia will be legitimized, since the practitioners were “born that way”. Just as homos and trannys were redefined into perfectly-normal non-perverts, pedos will be given the seal of globohomo approval.
     
    Under past and current trends, I doubt it. First, pedophilia has seemed to become even more taboo over time as every other sexual deviance has been legitimized. (To hear some people on this board tell it, it was fashionable in the 70's to go trolling around the mall for teenagers.) I think there's been a process of collective reaction formation and displacement that's maintained pedophilia as the last unacceptable sexual vice, and has actually pushed it even further beyond the pale than it might have been years ago, even as every other sexual taboo has eroded.

    Years ago, early gay rights organizations were playing footsie with pedo outfits but dropped them like a hot potato once backlash from parents' groups arrived. The gay organizations went on to dress up like nice, friendly next-door neighbors in sweater vests who just wanted to get married. To this day, they'll bare their nails and make hissy noises if you even suggest any of them would even dream of looking at anyone who was a day short of 18.

    Also, advocating publicly for the legitimization of pedophilia or participating in any sort of pedophile-rights organization is probably a great way to get aggressive attention from law enforcement, so there's not much opportunity for any sort of pressure groups or "lavender mafia" to get off the ground.

    Then again, what do I know? I think "transgenderism" is the best living example of mass psychosis.

    My guess: if pedophilia gets legitimized, it will be through attacks on Western norms against polygamy and child marriage being treated as "racist" against Muslims.
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  229. @Ian M.

    He was accused of getting down to underwear with the girl, making out a bit, and then immediately stopping and taking her home when she got uncomfortable.
     
    Still pretty messed up.

    As I said, her story is falling apart.

    She will now promptly disappear back into the woodwork, having delivered her payload, and we will never hear from her again.

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  230. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    That should be tranny tyranny not granny. Dang spell check.

    Let’s not understate the granny tyranny. They’re the ones destroying the nation with their social security and medicare costs!

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  231. Hibernian says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    Moore lost 72% white Madison County 57 to 40. Trump won that by 55 to 38. Looks like upscale white moderates aren't very impressed by Steve Bannon's candidate selection.

    Madison County includes Huntsville with its rocket scientists.

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  232. @eah

    That does seem kind of improbable.

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  233. @MarcW
    The accusations against Moore were credible. His denials were not. People don't want to take time off in the Christmas preparations to go vote for the mall perv.

    Trump has been pretty ineffective as president which is going to tamper down enthusiasm. Enthusiasm will be low at least until the wall gets started. Instead of any discussion about the wall, we're having a discussion about the same old tax cutting agenda that the party has had going since Reagan. Trump, personally will benefit, but I think voters in Alabama have figured out that they won't.

    The accusations against Moore weren’t credible. Indeed, by referencing him as “the mall perv” you’re repeating a debunked allegation against him.

    Fake news much?

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  234. @Boethiuss

    He was not manifestly guilty. istevefan laid out an excellent argument and you manifestly believe the scumbags from the left and GOPe. And who are these great candidates of which you speak? You mean McCain, Flake, Ryan, Romney. Those candidates?
     
    No, I believe the women, plural, who have gone on record with their full names and corroborating evidence.

    He could have admitted the accusations against him, which let's face it are more or less true. You could likely say that they weren't that bad and they happened a long time ago. But of course he didn't. They did the usual bullshit of deny and threatened to sue, in a situation where he was clearly lying.

    This is a problem for crank candidates especially. There was already the bit about the 10 Commandments and other problems with his performance as the chief judge in Alabama. We can't ever let anything slide because there's going to be the next issue tomorrow.

    There's no way he would have made it through a GOP primary with these issues holding over his head, so the only reason he got as far as he did was because of a successful deception over GOP primary voters. We need more discipline and less ego from the people who are supposedly going to help us in Washington.

    Two women, one of whom admitted fabricating evidence against him.

    You believe women when they accuse Republican,s no matter how flimsy the evidence, while not believing women who accuse Democrats, not matter how solid the evidence.

    Duly noted. Perhaps you should have been a journalist.

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    Two women, one of whom admitted fabricating evidence against him.
     
    No no. Lots of women, on the record, basically independent telling and thereby corroborating the same story. With lots of ancillary evidence besides. Bullshit about the MSM aside, there's lot of credibility there. I wouldn't necessarily believe it otherwise.

    But this is silly anyway. If Moore had more concern for us and less ego, he would have left the race anyway. His presence in the race was worth ~30% against us. Why should we want to be carrying that kind of albatross?
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  235. istevefan says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    Moore lost 72% white Madison County 57 to 40. Trump won that by 55 to 38. Looks like upscale white moderates aren't very impressed by Steve Bannon's candidate selection.

    Looks like upscale white moderates aren’t very impressed by Steve Bannon’s candidate selection.

    Can you tell me what candidate on Earth, not named Donald Trump, could have won that election after the Washington Post story broke in November and his party not only dumped him, but actively joined in the media chorus for him to lose?

    People are now complaining that Moore was a bad candidate because of the circus created out of the WaPo story. Yet prior to that piece Moore was a shoo-in. And prior to that piece there were no stories about such behavior, else they most certainly would have been used to smear Moore during his ’10 Commandment’ days and during his primary run.

    This was a professional hit job the likes of which I’ve never seen. My main question at this point are who was behind it, the democrats or the GOPe?

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  236. Boethiuss says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...
    As defined by the left which you appear to be a proud member.

    As defined by the left which you appear to be a proud member.

    Cut the crap. It ought to be obvious by now that the winning Right politics is a conservative/nationalist fusion coalition. It was obvious the day before yesterday even, but it’s even more plain now.

    Instead, the alt-right has egged us on to a crank politics for its own sake. I actually like fringe-y people, even fringe-y politics for the most part, but there’s a reason why they never go anywhere and mainstream politics just keeps plugging away.

    Politics is about trust, and the flakes don’t have it. That’s the thing that they need to appreciate and understand. There’s the fear that at any time they’re an eyelash away from going off on some bullshit about the n****rs or the Jews or flouride in the water Derb-style and make themselves radioactive along with anyone who associates with them.

    Roy Moore was already a flake. He was already at the end of the rope where normies could trust him, or at least believe that the damage he could cause would be contained. Then we got the underage sex scandals, and that was a bridge too far.

    And for emphasis, the more successful the alt-right is, the more important this will be. Like those people marching in Charlottesville. Nobody cared about them when it was last August and Hillary was 12 points ahead in the polls. But now, Trump is in office and so people have to wonder: are those people actual Nazis or actual KKK and if they were how would I know the difference?

    Alt-righters haven’t internalized any of this, to be honest I’m not sure they can. But even so they shouldn’t be deluding themselves into thinking that people have no other choices when they plainly do. Eg, Roy Moore.

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    Another serious problem that alt-righters on the Internet have is that they refuse to accept that Trump himself is responsible for much of his current problems. His tweeting isn't helping him at all. It's amusing to "pwn libs" and trigger them as he's done with Warren and Gilliband, but the reality is that it's done nothing except mobilize and galvanize the opposition. At the same time he's depressed his base by governing like some bizarre fusion of Nixon and GWB. NAFTA is still here. DACA is apparently never going away. He's appointed treacherous neocons like Haley and McMaster who want wars in both Iran and North Korea while continuing the eternal Afghanistan campaign. He can't be bothered with the meat and potatoes of actual policymaking and has outsourced those responsibilities to Jared while he goes golfing. And yes I hate Ryan and Mitch as much as anyone here but they aren't the ones running the White House.

    Things have got to change quickly or else he's a lame duck.
    , @Amasius

    conservative/nationalist fusion coalition
     
    How is such a thing possible? "Conservatives" want open borders for cheap labor and pro-capital gobalism and tax policies. Populists want closed borders, good jobs, and a reasonably equitable economic order.

    Actually, that's what we've had all along. Get the rubes to vote R ("Hey, we're not as crazy as those democrats!"), then don't give them anything. The fusion is a giant swindle.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    You are the type of guy who brings a hair brush to a gun fight.

    Your way of thinking is why we have "homo" marriage, trannies in the military, open borders, open season on white men,,,, Should I continue with the litany of losses?

    I want nothing to do with fellas like you that get us McCain, Flake, Corker, etc.
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  237. utu says:

    Money talks.

    Doug Jones is outspending Roy Moore 10-to-1 on the Alabama airwaves

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/doug-jones-outspending-roy-moore-10-1-airwaves-n824281

    Why Republicans did not spend more?

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  238. Berty says:
    @Boethiuss

    As defined by the left which you appear to be a proud member.
     
    Cut the crap. It ought to be obvious by now that the winning Right politics is a conservative/nationalist fusion coalition. It was obvious the day before yesterday even, but it's even more plain now.

    Instead, the alt-right has egged us on to a crank politics for its own sake. I actually like fringe-y people, even fringe-y politics for the most part, but there's a reason why they never go anywhere and mainstream politics just keeps plugging away.

    Politics is about trust, and the flakes don't have it. That's the thing that they need to appreciate and understand. There's the fear that at any time they're an eyelash away from going off on some bullshit about the n****rs or the Jews or flouride in the water Derb-style and make themselves radioactive along with anyone who associates with them.

    Roy Moore was already a flake. He was already at the end of the rope where normies could trust him, or at least believe that the damage he could cause would be contained. Then we got the underage sex scandals, and that was a bridge too far.

    And for emphasis, the more successful the alt-right is, the more important this will be. Like those people marching in Charlottesville. Nobody cared about them when it was last August and Hillary was 12 points ahead in the polls. But now, Trump is in office and so people have to wonder: are those people actual Nazis or actual KKK and if they were how would I know the difference?

    Alt-righters haven't internalized any of this, to be honest I'm not sure they can. But even so they shouldn't be deluding themselves into thinking that people have no other choices when they plainly do. Eg, Roy Moore.

    Another serious problem that alt-righters on the Internet have is that they refuse to accept that Trump himself is responsible for much of his current problems. His tweeting isn’t helping him at all. It’s amusing to “pwn libs” and trigger them as he’s done with Warren and Gilliband, but the reality is that it’s done nothing except mobilize and galvanize the opposition. At the same time he’s depressed his base by governing like some bizarre fusion of Nixon and GWB. NAFTA is still here. DACA is apparently never going away. He’s appointed treacherous neocons like Haley and McMaster who want wars in both Iran and North Korea while continuing the eternal Afghanistan campaign. He can’t be bothered with the meat and potatoes of actual policymaking and has outsourced those responsibilities to Jared while he goes golfing. And yes I hate Ryan and Mitch as much as anyone here but they aren’t the ones running the White House.

    Things have got to change quickly or else he’s a lame duck.

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    It’s amusing to “pwn libs” and trigger them as he’s done with Warren and Gilliband, but the reality is that it’s done nothing except mobilize and galvanize the opposition.
     
    Along these lines it should be noted that he does nothing at all to intimidate the opposition. He says nasty things about people on Twitter and sometimes scores but there's nobody afraid of getting hurt, personally or careerwise, for getting on the other side of Donald Trump politically.

    Kathy Griffin pretend to decapitate him, ISIS-style, and lost a TV show. Anything less than that is fair game.
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  239. Berty says:

    I also want to add that he really needs to start acting more presidential. Like a LOT more presidential.

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    " Acting more presidential"

    Just what, pray tell, does "acting presidential" involve? : Speaking in somber tones, and never getting to the point, or claiming, regarding anything which we disagree with, "that's not who we are", or telling the leader of the biggest, with twelve time zones, country on earth that his nation is only a "regional power".
    Or disparaging the (hard working, decent) "deplorables" and their despised bibles and guns.
    Or screwing actresses while having a gorgeous wife at home.
    Just what does "acting presidential" consist of other than being a political BS artist such as the majority of politicians, who have brought calamity and bloodshed everywhere on earth, have always been.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

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  240. @Paleo Liberal
    Live by identity politics, die by identity politics.

    Moore's identity politics were: "I'm a white conservative fundamentalist Christian Republican".

    That is usually enough to win in Alabama.

    There were two big factors.

    First, as others have pointed out, this being a close election energized people who were NOT white, and/or NOT conservative Republicans and/or NOT fundamentalist Christians.

    Second, when one behaves in a way of which white conservative fundamentalist Christians may disapprove, don't be surprised when many of them stay home or cast a protest write-in ballot. Saying "I never met her" and then having a yearbook entry you signed may strike some as bearing false witness.

    Well stated, Paleo.

    I’m guessing a lot of Alabaman whites who stayed home didn’t want the Democrat but also didn’t want to be embarrassed by such a stereotypical white hypocrite straight outta central casting.

    At least Bill Maher (who I used to like but now find insufferable) will be disappointed over having one less Southern state to disparage.

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    Maher and his ilk will have no trouble disparaging Alabama for "almost" electing Moore and just for being Alabama.
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  241. Amasius says:
    @Boethiuss

    As defined by the left which you appear to be a proud member.
     
    Cut the crap. It ought to be obvious by now that the winning Right politics is a conservative/nationalist fusion coalition. It was obvious the day before yesterday even, but it's even more plain now.

    Instead, the alt-right has egged us on to a crank politics for its own sake. I actually like fringe-y people, even fringe-y politics for the most part, but there's a reason why they never go anywhere and mainstream politics just keeps plugging away.

    Politics is about trust, and the flakes don't have it. That's the thing that they need to appreciate and understand. There's the fear that at any time they're an eyelash away from going off on some bullshit about the n****rs or the Jews or flouride in the water Derb-style and make themselves radioactive along with anyone who associates with them.

    Roy Moore was already a flake. He was already at the end of the rope where normies could trust him, or at least believe that the damage he could cause would be contained. Then we got the underage sex scandals, and that was a bridge too far.

    And for emphasis, the more successful the alt-right is, the more important this will be. Like those people marching in Charlottesville. Nobody cared about them when it was last August and Hillary was 12 points ahead in the polls. But now, Trump is in office and so people have to wonder: are those people actual Nazis or actual KKK and if they were how would I know the difference?

    Alt-righters haven't internalized any of this, to be honest I'm not sure they can. But even so they shouldn't be deluding themselves into thinking that people have no other choices when they plainly do. Eg, Roy Moore.

    conservative/nationalist fusion coalition

    How is such a thing possible? “Conservatives” want open borders for cheap labor and pro-capital gobalism and tax policies. Populists want closed borders, good jobs, and a reasonably equitable economic order.

    Actually, that’s what we’ve had all along. Get the rubes to vote R (“Hey, we’re not as crazy as those democrats!”), then don’t give them anything. The fusion is a giant swindle.

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    Actually, that’s what we’ve had all along. Get the rubes to vote R (“Hey, we’re not as crazy as those democrats!”), then don’t give them anything. The fusion is a giant swindle.
     
    The Bannon-style populism is a swindle. Simply put, populists aren't strong enough in America to move the ball if the rest of America is organized against them. People don't just have to believe in or acquiesce to your cause, they also have to trust you. Optimally, they'd even like you. Populism has gotten as far as it has because it was a new thing in America, so there weren't as many enemies to contend with. With Bannon-style populism giving a middle finger to the rest of America, you'll get your share of enemies right quick.
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  242. Amasius says:
    @Hrw-500
    VoxDay posted a interesting rant. http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2017/12/republicans-never-learn.html

    Some begin to ponder if there was voter fraud?

    My favorite line:

    And neither of them [Trump and Bannon] has even seriously begun to fight

    Lol. “Things look bad now, but just wait ’til Homer starts punching back!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=b3F6i3cqhyw

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  243. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    You mean like communism?

    You think communism is a conservative ideology, with its implementation of radical egalitarianism and blank slate ideology? You’re either a troll or an idiot and either way I’m done arguing with you.

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    Communism wanted God dead just like you want your "conservatism". That is what I was referring to. Who's the idiot. You have to keep up around here.

    And I don't recognize your handle. Are you Jonah Goldberg?
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  244. @Boethiuss

    As defined by the left which you appear to be a proud member.
     
    Cut the crap. It ought to be obvious by now that the winning Right politics is a conservative/nationalist fusion coalition. It was obvious the day before yesterday even, but it's even more plain now.

    Instead, the alt-right has egged us on to a crank politics for its own sake. I actually like fringe-y people, even fringe-y politics for the most part, but there's a reason why they never go anywhere and mainstream politics just keeps plugging away.

    Politics is about trust, and the flakes don't have it. That's the thing that they need to appreciate and understand. There's the fear that at any time they're an eyelash away from going off on some bullshit about the n****rs or the Jews or flouride in the water Derb-style and make themselves radioactive along with anyone who associates with them.

    Roy Moore was already a flake. He was already at the end of the rope where normies could trust him, or at least believe that the damage he could cause would be contained. Then we got the underage sex scandals, and that was a bridge too far.

    And for emphasis, the more successful the alt-right is, the more important this will be. Like those people marching in Charlottesville. Nobody cared about them when it was last August and Hillary was 12 points ahead in the polls. But now, Trump is in office and so people have to wonder: are those people actual Nazis or actual KKK and if they were how would I know the difference?

    Alt-righters haven't internalized any of this, to be honest I'm not sure they can. But even so they shouldn't be deluding themselves into thinking that people have no other choices when they plainly do. Eg, Roy Moore.

    You are the type of guy who brings a hair brush to a gun fight.

    Your way of thinking is why we have “homo” marriage, trannies in the military, open borders, open season on white men,,,, Should I continue with the litany of losses?

    I want nothing to do with fellas like you that get us McCain, Flake, Corker, etc.

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  245. @Corn
    Moore lost and I’m very unhappy about it. I’m trying to console myself by telling myself he was fairly flawed as a candidate to begin with but I’m bummed. No doubt the NeverTrumpers are elated.

    As for Trump, he needs to double down. Push hard against DACA and implement the agenda he campaigned on via executive order as much as he can. I keep hearing of shenanigans going on amongst Mueller’s investigators and it’s infuriating. Trump will never be accepted by the DC set so he may as well become the monster they portray him as.

    It’s my understanding Moore lost because blacks were far more likely to show up to polls than whites. Maybe more whites would’ve shown up if Moore had been able to talk about the wall that was being built or the mass deportations being staged. Instead we’ve gotten more tax cuts for the rich and UMC and Israel has a new capital.

    Your analysis is right on the money. If we wanted no major action to close the border to illegal immigration and little to reduce legal immigration, we could have voted for Jeb! or little Marco. If we wanted an unnecessary, nondefensive war against Iran or Russia, we could have voted for Shrillery.

    If we wanted tax cuts for the top one percent but actual tax INCREASES for some of us below that, well, we could have freeking stayed home on Election Day.

    Based on our current tentative understanding of the House-Senate modified tax bill, my wife and I will actually pay fed income tax at a higher rate in 2018 than now. That is wrong, not to mention infuriating and stupid politics for trump and repubs.

    We have three young children and live in CA. We live in a very small apartment, drive one old vehicle, and have no TV, all to enable us to still invest meaningfully toward retirement and nominally towards kids’ college without going into debt or burdening others.

    We contributed more than we could afford to Trump’s campaign, and I work my ass off trying to keep enabling my wife to be a full time Mom (and a wonderful one) — and to pay my share of the food stamps, Medi-Cal, “free” education, “free” strollers and car seats, “free” or discounted daycare, “free” bike helmets, free school breakfasts and lunches and optional dinners (!!) and basically every goddamn minute of at least six million mexicans’ and Africans’ lives in this State alone.

    Yet they will raise OUR taxes while scumbag financial paperpushers, trust fund slackers, and ultra-wealthy bankers, brokers, doctors, entertainers, and developers in the top bracket get a cut?

    The corporate tax cuts (which I’d support up to a point) are permanent while tax cuts directly to individuals have a sunset date?

    Low-income people who already pay NO fed income tax continue to “get back” money they never paid thru the “Earned Incone Tax Credit” while we pay even more towards most major services and needs in their lives thanks to the tax hike??

    Oh HELL no.

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    Lol no you won't
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  246. Roy Moore got shafted Who doesn’t think that ? The GOP Establishment are worst than leftists

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  247. @LondonBob
    Dodged a bullet, there is more to come out about Moore and his affection for a little too young for comfort girls.

    Makes no sense to say dodged a bullet. Impeaching Moore or having him resign, would have resulted in the republican governor of Alabama naming his successor. That successor would vote generally much better than Doug jones on some vital issues, including the future composition of our country through immigration, and would tend to have an advantage in name recognition and incumbency when it came time to win reelection on his own.

    Fools in Alabama should have voted for Moore and then pushed him to quit after he was sworn in and Traitor Jones thereby denied that powerful seat.

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    Exactly right. By the time of election day, Moore was nothing but a place-holder. A chit to be redeemed for a do-over.

    Moore is a flake; he would probably have been a lousy Senator. But it would have been nice to keep the seat in the R column.
    , @Corvinus
    "Fools in Alabama should have voted for Moore and then pushed him to quit after he was sworn in and Traitor Jones thereby denied that powerful seat."

    So Alabamans should have elected someone they knew was incompetent, then promptly worked to get him out so a precious seat could be maintained in the Senate for the Republicans, a group that you despise?

    Wow, just wow.
    , @Corvinus
    "The corporate tax cuts (which I’d support up to a point) are permanent while tax cuts directly to individuals have a sunset date?"

    Thanks to Trump, the crony capitalist. Didn't see that one coming, eh? Totally blind sided by the GOP tax scam, I mean, tax plan?
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  248. eah says:

    OT

    Kentucky State Rep. Dan Johnson died of ‘probable suicide’ on bridge in Mt. Wash

    Kentucky State Rep. Dan Johnson, who was under investigation for alleged sexual molestation, died of a “probable suicide,” the Bullitt County coroner said…

    Comments

    oh good, so the #metoo movement now has a bodycount. who knew that having your life ruined without the opportunity to ever prove your innocence would lead to suicide?

    So very sad that this is what our nation has come to.

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  249. Berty says:

    Roy Moore isn’t conceding:

    “Today, we no longer recognize the universal truth that God is the author of our life and liberty,” he said. “Abortion, sodomy, and materialism have taken the place of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    I can’t imagine why anybody would be embarrassed to vote for him.

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  250. BenKenobi says:
    @Jack Hanson
    The hot takes seem to be the END OF BANNON, ignoring that Bannon didn't hold a gun to McConnell's head and tell him to light a fire to 50-100 million dollars (seen sources saying both) in order to defeat Mo Brooks in the primary.

    Also ignored is the Bush Mafia's complicity in forging that yearbook. Considering how little the Left and Cucks learn from when their shit goes WRONG, you better believe its gonna be all yearbooks, all the time from here on out.

    Another hot take to look at: why is the media claiming BLACK WOMEN BEAT MOORE? There's some wacky voting metrics with the amount of blacks showing up in an off year election to vote for a SF style white guy. If anyone questions the Chicago style vote counting, expect the media to run with "Republicans trying to steal Rosa Park's vote!".

    Probably the most honest take is that the Left got its Scott Brown. Woo.

    I already used up my current “Agree.”

    Well said.

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  251. Boethiuss says:
    @celt darnell
    Two women, one of whom admitted fabricating evidence against him.

    You believe women when they accuse Republican,s no matter how flimsy the evidence, while not believing women who accuse Democrats, not matter how solid the evidence.

    Duly noted. Perhaps you should have been a journalist.

    Two women, one of whom admitted fabricating evidence against him.

    No no. Lots of women, on the record, basically independent telling and thereby corroborating the same story. With lots of ancillary evidence besides. Bullshit about the MSM aside, there’s lot of credibility there. I wouldn’t necessarily believe it otherwise.

    But this is silly anyway. If Moore had more concern for us and less ego, he would have left the race anyway. His presence in the race was worth ~30% against us. Why should we want to be carrying that kind of albatross?

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    No no. Lots of women, on the record, basically independent telling and thereby corroborating the same story. With lots of ancillary evidence besides. Bullshit about the MSM aside, there’s lot of credibility there. I wouldn’t necessarily believe it otherwise.
     
    Are you that dense that you believe these accusations at the 11th hour? A man who has had a decades long career with nothing like this at all on his record is now suddenly a serial sexual predator? You have no skepticism at all? You are not the least bit concerned about the timing, both in when the allegations were made public and in how long they have gone unreported? It doesn't add up and it reeks of a political hit job.

    As for lots of women it comes down to the Leigh Corfman. The other gals in the original story were not filing complaints. They were thrown in to pad a story about a man who supposedly was an ephebophile.

    Beverly Nelson admitted to altering the yearbook that she so enthusiastically displayed as evidence.

    Tina Johnson was a 28 year old mother of three. After convincing us that Roy Moore was an ephebophile, we are now supposed to believe that he grabbed the backside of such a woman, while her mother was in the same room no less. An ephebophile by definition would not find a 28 year old three-time mom attractive.

    Debbie Wesson Gibson provided a scrapbook with dubious features. But she did not find anything wrong with Moore for over 36 years until the WaPo story came out about Corfman.

    It's one thing if a candidate has a history of such charges. But Moore did not. At least he did not until it was too late to remove his name from the ballot of a US Senate race.

    If you can be separated from a candidate that easily, and thus throw the election to someone who is pledging to ideologically oppose you on nearly every issue of importance, then you are setting yourself up for failure. This will happen again. It was just too easy.

    As a commenter wrote above, the best thing would have been to elect Moore. If the charges somehow turned out to be true then he could have been removed. At least his removal would have been based upon something more substantial. But no, the allegations alone got half the GOP base to stay home.

    This has to be the single best voter suppression operation I've seen. And just think, the GOP is routinely criticized for trying to suppress the black vote. They don't have anything on what just happened in Alabama.
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  252. Boethiuss says:
    @Jack Hanson
    What the hell are YOU talking about?

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/1/roy-moore-campaign-manager-nra-board-us-now/

    Bill Armistead was running his campaign, you fool. Gosh damn you're going to have to change your name again out of shame after this thread, you schmuck.

    What the hell are YOU talking about?

    What do you mean what am I talking about? I’m talking about the fact that when the shit was hitting the fan and it looked like Moore was going to be pressured out of the race, Steve Bannon came from Breitbart to organize and speak at a bunch of rallies and thereby hope to pull his irons out of the fire, thereby losing an otherwise unloseable race. A race which you thought Moore was going to win up till yesterday (since you like to keep score on such things).

    That’s what I’m talking about.

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    Again not knowing what you're talking about, par for the course for you, I know.

    We were talking about campaign managers, you dunce. Bannon making the best of a bad situation thanks to McConnell's idiocy and literally forged evidence does not make this his fault in any way. If Armistead had run a focused campaign versus what went on, they could have won handily. Instead the campaign bunkered down.

    You're gonna have to change your name again here in a minute bruh. This is just getting sad.
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  253. Boethiuss says:
    @Berty
    Another serious problem that alt-righters on the Internet have is that they refuse to accept that Trump himself is responsible for much of his current problems. His tweeting isn't helping him at all. It's amusing to "pwn libs" and trigger them as he's done with Warren and Gilliband, but the reality is that it's done nothing except mobilize and galvanize the opposition. At the same time he's depressed his base by governing like some bizarre fusion of Nixon and GWB. NAFTA is still here. DACA is apparently never going away. He's appointed treacherous neocons like Haley and McMaster who want wars in both Iran and North Korea while continuing the eternal Afghanistan campaign. He can't be bothered with the meat and potatoes of actual policymaking and has outsourced those responsibilities to Jared while he goes golfing. And yes I hate Ryan and Mitch as much as anyone here but they aren't the ones running the White House.

    Things have got to change quickly or else he's a lame duck.

    It’s amusing to “pwn libs” and trigger them as he’s done with Warren and Gilliband, but the reality is that it’s done nothing except mobilize and galvanize the opposition.

    Along these lines it should be noted that he does nothing at all to intimidate the opposition. He says nasty things about people on Twitter and sometimes scores but there’s nobody afraid of getting hurt, personally or careerwise, for getting on the other side of Donald Trump politically.

    Kathy Griffin pretend to decapitate him, ISIS-style, and lost a TV show. Anything less than that is fair game.

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  254. Boethiuss says:
    @Amasius

    conservative/nationalist fusion coalition
     
    How is such a thing possible? "Conservatives" want open borders for cheap labor and pro-capital gobalism and tax policies. Populists want closed borders, good jobs, and a reasonably equitable economic order.

    Actually, that's what we've had all along. Get the rubes to vote R ("Hey, we're not as crazy as those democrats!"), then don't give them anything. The fusion is a giant swindle.

    Actually, that’s what we’ve had all along. Get the rubes to vote R (“Hey, we’re not as crazy as those democrats!”), then don’t give them anything. The fusion is a giant swindle.

    The Bannon-style populism is a swindle. Simply put, populists aren’t strong enough in America to move the ball if the rest of America is organized against them. People don’t just have to believe in or acquiesce to your cause, they also have to trust you. Optimally, they’d even like you. Populism has gotten as far as it has because it was a new thing in America, so there weren’t as many enemies to contend with. With Bannon-style populism giving a middle finger to the rest of America, you’ll get your share of enemies right quick.

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    You know, I'm starting to wonder what "Bannon-style populism" is even supposed to be? So far as I've seen all it involves is one group of Republicans calling another group of Republicans "globalists" and "cucks" but when it comes to actual policy the two are strikingly similar. Despite being labeled a horrible white supremacist Bannon seems to get along just fine with corporations hedge funds and bankers. He had no objections to the terrible Obamacare repeal that failed and actually pushed hard for it (I should note that this was the beginning of Trumps very steep drop in the polls). he didn't make Trump tear up NAFTA on day one and we still have no wall.

    Just what exactly did we vote for?

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  255. Boethiuss says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Bannon is 8 and 1, while you were crying about how doomed we were during the general election and got so embarassed you had to change your name to hide your posting career.

    Maybe sit this one out before you need a third name change.

    You thought Moore was going to win as of two days ago, so maybe you should start commenting as Jack Hansonn.

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    Moore lost by a squeaker with obvious voter shenanigans based off the entire national political and cultural apparatus against. In spite of that, his margin of loss may very well trigger a recount.

    Your default position is to put in your ballgag and wail about how we are doomed. Settle your cuck ass down.
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  256. @Moral Stone
    You think communism is a conservative ideology, with its implementation of radical egalitarianism and blank slate ideology? You’re either a troll or an idiot and either way I’m done arguing with you.

    Communism wanted God dead just like you want your “conservatism”. That is what I was referring to. Who’s the idiot. You have to keep up around here.

    And I don’t recognize your handle. Are you Jonah Goldberg?

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  257. istevefan says:
    @Boethiuss

    Two women, one of whom admitted fabricating evidence against him.
     
    No no. Lots of women, on the record, basically independent telling and thereby corroborating the same story. With lots of ancillary evidence besides. Bullshit about the MSM aside, there's lot of credibility there. I wouldn't necessarily believe it otherwise.

    But this is silly anyway. If Moore had more concern for us and less ego, he would have left the race anyway. His presence in the race was worth ~30% against us. Why should we want to be carrying that kind of albatross?

    No no. Lots of women, on the record, basically independent telling and thereby corroborating the same story. With lots of ancillary evidence besides. Bullshit about the MSM aside, there’s lot of credibility there. I wouldn’t necessarily believe it otherwise.

    Are you that dense that you believe these accusations at the 11th hour? A man who has had a decades long career with nothing like this at all on his record is now suddenly a serial sexual predator? You have no skepticism at all? You are not the least bit concerned about the timing, both in when the allegations were made public and in how long they have gone unreported? It doesn’t add up and it reeks of a political hit job.

    As for lots of women it comes down to the Leigh Corfman. The other gals in the original story were not filing complaints. They were thrown in to pad a story about a man who supposedly was an ephebophile.

    Beverly Nelson admitted to altering the yearbook that she so enthusiastically displayed as evidence.

    Tina Johnson was a 28 year old mother of three. After convincing us that Roy Moore was an ephebophile, we are now supposed to believe that he grabbed the backside of such a woman, while her mother was in the same room no less. An ephebophile by definition would not find a 28 year old three-time mom attractive.

    Debbie Wesson Gibson provided a scrapbook with dubious features. But she did not find anything wrong with Moore for over 36 years until the WaPo story came out about Corfman.

    It’s one thing if a candidate has a history of such charges. But Moore did not. At least he did not until it was too late to remove his name from the ballot of a US Senate race.

    If you can be separated from a candidate that easily, and thus throw the election to someone who is pledging to ideologically oppose you on nearly every issue of importance, then you are setting yourself up for failure. This will happen again. It was just too easy.

    As a commenter wrote above, the best thing would have been to elect Moore. If the charges somehow turned out to be true then he could have been removed. At least his removal would have been based upon something more substantial. But no, the allegations alone got half the GOP base to stay home.

    This has to be the single best voter suppression operation I’ve seen. And just think, the GOP is routinely criticized for trying to suppress the black vote. They don’t have anything on what just happened in Alabama.

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    Yes, he is that dense.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Excellent analysis.

    On another note, there sure is a bunch new concern troll monikers in this thread.
    , @Boethiuss

    Are you that dense that you believe these accusations at the 11th hour? A man who has had a decades long career with nothing like this at all on his record is now suddenly a serial sexual predator? You have no skepticism at all? You are not the least bit concerned about the timing, both in when the allegations were made public and in how long they have gone unreported? It doesn’t add up and it reeks of a political hit job.
     
    Ok, what is going to be the upshot of my "concern"? Hit job or no, the accusations are likely to be true or at least well-substantiated. We know that from when Roy Moore weakly tried to deny them, but ended up confirming them.

    If the timing of this had been different, or maybe if he'd handled the accusations a little better, he might have survived. But, let's repeat, if this information would have come out a month or so earlier, he would never have survived a primary, so there it's hard to give Moore any credit for that.
    , @Boethiuss

    If you can be separated from a candidate that easily, and thus throw the election to someone who is pledging to ideologically oppose you on nearly every issue of importance, then you are setting yourself up for failure. This will happen again. It was just too easy.

    As a commenter wrote above, the best thing would have been to elect Moore. If the charges somehow turned out to be true then he could have been removed. At least his removal would have been based upon something more substantial. But no, the allegations alone got half the GOP base to stay home.
     
    This is just ridiculous, in fact it's the opposite of the reasons why Moore had to go now. If Moore stays, he brings down the whole GOP with him because he closely associates the GOP name with Moore. Every Senate candidate from Missouri, North Dakota, Indiana wherever is going to talking about the age of consent and rest of Moore's crap. When push comes to shove you can overlook stuff like a monument to the Ten Commandments at a courthouse. That's just one guy, and it has nothing to do with me. You can't do that with the sexual abuse of children.

    Imagine a debate or a simultaneous interview of the candidates:

    "Mr D. Crat, you have sponsored an amendment to remove the requirements for proficiency in the English as part of the process for normalizing the status of the undocumented. Your opponent has accused you of supporting amnesty, what is your response to that?"

    "Well Wolf, I don't know where the Republicans land on this, but throughout my entire career in public service I have taken a strong stand against child rape."

    "Good point D. I also have a question for Mr GOP: considering how many of Roy Moore's votes were crucial to supporting the Trump/Republican agenda, how can the Republicans reestablish credibility against the exploitation of children?"

    We can't afford to carry that kind of dead weight. As things stand we lose one sure thing Senate seat which is a big deal, but we keep Moore from contaminating the GOP brand and next year's debate. He had to go now.
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  258. istevefan says:
    @Jack Hanson
    The hot takes seem to be the END OF BANNON, ignoring that Bannon didn't hold a gun to McConnell's head and tell him to light a fire to 50-100 million dollars (seen sources saying both) in order to defeat Mo Brooks in the primary.

    Also ignored is the Bush Mafia's complicity in forging that yearbook. Considering how little the Left and Cucks learn from when their shit goes WRONG, you better believe its gonna be all yearbooks, all the time from here on out.

    Another hot take to look at: why is the media claiming BLACK WOMEN BEAT MOORE? There's some wacky voting metrics with the amount of blacks showing up in an off year election to vote for a SF style white guy. If anyone questions the Chicago style vote counting, expect the media to run with "Republicans trying to steal Rosa Park's vote!".

    Probably the most honest take is that the Left got its Scott Brown. Woo.

    Also ignored is the Bush Mafia’s complicity in forging that yearbook. Considering how little the Left and Cucks learn from when their shit goes WRONG, you better believe its gonna be all yearbooks, all the time from here on out.

    For anyone who doubts this, look at CNN’s original tweet of the yearbook. I use this link because if I linked to any other source people would claim the photo had been doctored. But this photo is the one put out by CNN.

    After opening the tweet, click on the right-hand photo to enlarge it. Notice the ink coloration? People mistakenly suggested two different colored inks were used. But that is not the case because it would have been easily spotted as a hack job. The better explanation I have found is that they used what they believed to have been the same color ink. But the newer ink has a different chemical formula than the original from 1977. So the two inks reflect light differently and the camera angle of the freeze-frame caught it. The naked eye probably could not have caught it.

    Anyway it looks suspicious enough to at least demand an impartial party have access to determine if it is different. At the very least it should not be used to help railroad a guy out of town.

    Additionally there is the suspicious signature with “DA” following his name. As stated above Moore’s explanation that his judicial clerk, whose initials were DA, did this after stamping his name to legal docs makes sense. Given that Ms Nelson appeared before Moore in a divorce case and had such a doc with that stamp and initials, it further merits independent examination before condemning the guy.

    Keep in mind the yearbook is immaterial about whether or not assault was committed. However, because Ms Nelson introduced it to cement her case, any indication of fraud should totally destroy her credibility.

    Too bad Rush, Hannity and others refused to push on this specific item. They were too afraid of being wrong. I don’t see why. We are supposed to suss out the truth and should not be punished for doing so.

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  259. Berty says:
    @Boethiuss

    Actually, that’s what we’ve had all along. Get the rubes to vote R (“Hey, we’re not as crazy as those democrats!”), then don’t give them anything. The fusion is a giant swindle.
     
    The Bannon-style populism is a swindle. Simply put, populists aren't strong enough in America to move the ball if the rest of America is organized against them. People don't just have to believe in or acquiesce to your cause, they also have to trust you. Optimally, they'd even like you. Populism has gotten as far as it has because it was a new thing in America, so there weren't as many enemies to contend with. With Bannon-style populism giving a middle finger to the rest of America, you'll get your share of enemies right quick.

    You know, I’m starting to wonder what “Bannon-style populism” is even supposed to be? So far as I’ve seen all it involves is one group of Republicans calling another group of Republicans “globalists” and “cucks” but when it comes to actual policy the two are strikingly similar. Despite being labeled a horrible white supremacist Bannon seems to get along just fine with corporations hedge funds and bankers. He had no objections to the terrible Obamacare repeal that failed and actually pushed hard for it (I should note that this was the beginning of Trumps very steep drop in the polls). he didn’t make Trump tear up NAFTA on day one and we still have no wall.

    Just what exactly did we vote for?

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    "We" haha right.

    'hello my fellow alt righters' indeed
    , @Boethiuss

    You know, I’m starting to wonder what “Bannon-style populism” is even supposed to be? So far as I’ve seen all it involves is one group of Republicans calling another group of Republicans “globalists” and “cucks” but when it comes to actual policy the two are strikingly similar.
     
    Yeah, this is what I was trying to get at in an earlier comment. Bannon would like us to believe this is about globalism vs. nationalism etc. But increasingly that's turned out to be a red herring. This is simply being a flaky crank for its own sake. Certainly that's been the case with Roy Moore. The usual things that would excite the commenters here: immigration, trade, non-interventionism, were nonissues during that whole campaign. Roy Moore wants us to die on the hill of the Ten Commandments and underage sex. And we get butthurt when that doesn't fly.
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  260. L Woods says:
    @SteveRogers42
    And of course, in a few years actual pedophilia will be legitimized, since the practitioners were "born that way". Just as homos and trannys were redefined into perfectly-normal non-perverts, pedos will be given the seal of globohomo approval.

    But in the Current Year, a nationalist and reliable MAGA supporter got successfully smeared with an unearned label...one that will soon be retconned into "respectability".

    The left (and shortly thereafter the cucked right) will find a rationalization for making the sodomizing of a 6 year old boy acceptable (nay, laudable!) but dating a 16 year old girl EVIL. “Something something patriarchy, something something power imbalance, something something loser.” See? That wasn’t hard.

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    This.

    "Well of course the constitution says killing babies in the womb is a right, sodomites marrying is a right, trannies in the military is right, freedom of association for me but not thee is a right, diversity in hiring and admissions is a right, banning prayer in school is a right, women in combat is a right, ignoring immigration laws is a right, born here you are a citizen is a right"
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  261. @anonguy
    With friends like Moore, who needs enemies?

    Trump famously (now) expressed this during the primary, but ya know, nobody was listening (then).

    This is a great outcome for America, and hence the world, that Alabamans tossed Roy. They are looking for a happy future now rather than an angry past.

    I see this also as an indication that in the South, finally, the past is past and now the forgetting can start. Notice that the issue of Confederate memorial cleansing didn't come up in the election at all, in Alabama, of all places.

    These are grand times, everything else going on to which we can now add finally discarding the Confederate emotional baggage that the USA has been bearing for 150 years.

    Oh yeah, Bannon and Franken of course, huge losers too.

    There was no “Confederate monument cleansing” (i.e. Year Zero activities) issue in Alabama because no Confederate monuments have come down there.

    As for the “discarding the Confederate emotional baggage,” can we also ditch the slavery emotional baggage? How about the patriarchy emotional baggage? How about the Ellis Island emotional baggage? How about the Holocaust emotional baggage? How about Mexican butthurt over the Mexican-American War baggage? Can we ditch all those, too?

    The “happy future” you speak of is simply the United States being turned into a Third World sh*thole.

    And when that happens, the Confederate States will look like a comparative golden age.

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  262. @istevefan

    No no. Lots of women, on the record, basically independent telling and thereby corroborating the same story. With lots of ancillary evidence besides. Bullshit about the MSM aside, there’s lot of credibility there. I wouldn’t necessarily believe it otherwise.
     
    Are you that dense that you believe these accusations at the 11th hour? A man who has had a decades long career with nothing like this at all on his record is now suddenly a serial sexual predator? You have no skepticism at all? You are not the least bit concerned about the timing, both in when the allegations were made public and in how long they have gone unreported? It doesn't add up and it reeks of a political hit job.

    As for lots of women it comes down to the Leigh Corfman. The other gals in the original story were not filing complaints. They were thrown in to pad a story about a man who supposedly was an ephebophile.

    Beverly Nelson admitted to altering the yearbook that she so enthusiastically displayed as evidence.

    Tina Johnson was a 28 year old mother of three. After convincing us that Roy Moore was an ephebophile, we are now supposed to believe that he grabbed the backside of such a woman, while her mother was in the same room no less. An ephebophile by definition would not find a 28 year old three-time mom attractive.

    Debbie Wesson Gibson provided a scrapbook with dubious features. But she did not find anything wrong with Moore for over 36 years until the WaPo story came out about Corfman.

    It's one thing if a candidate has a history of such charges. But Moore did not. At least he did not until it was too late to remove his name from the ballot of a US Senate race.

    If you can be separated from a candidate that easily, and thus throw the election to someone who is pledging to ideologically oppose you on nearly every issue of importance, then you are setting yourself up for failure. This will happen again. It was just too easy.

    As a commenter wrote above, the best thing would have been to elect Moore. If the charges somehow turned out to be true then he could have been removed. At least his removal would have been based upon something more substantial. But no, the allegations alone got half the GOP base to stay home.

    This has to be the single best voter suppression operation I've seen. And just think, the GOP is routinely criticized for trying to suppress the black vote. They don't have anything on what just happened in Alabama.

    Yes, he is that dense.

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  263. Mr. Anon says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Makes no sense to say dodged a bullet. Impeaching Moore or having him resign, would have resulted in the republican governor of Alabama naming his successor. That successor would vote generally much better than Doug jones on some vital issues, including the future composition of our country through immigration, and would tend to have an advantage in name recognition and incumbency when it came time to win reelection on his own.

    Fools in Alabama should have voted for Moore and then pushed him to quit after he was sworn in and Traitor Jones thereby denied that powerful seat.

    Exactly right. By the time of election day, Moore was nothing but a place-holder. A chit to be redeemed for a do-over.

    Moore is a flake; he would probably have been a lousy Senator. But it would have been nice to keep the seat in the R column.

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  264. @istevefan

    No no. Lots of women, on the record, basically independent telling and thereby corroborating the same story. With lots of ancillary evidence besides. Bullshit about the MSM aside, there’s lot of credibility there. I wouldn’t necessarily believe it otherwise.
     
    Are you that dense that you believe these accusations at the 11th hour? A man who has had a decades long career with nothing like this at all on his record is now suddenly a serial sexual predator? You have no skepticism at all? You are not the least bit concerned about the timing, both in when the allegations were made public and in how long they have gone unreported? It doesn't add up and it reeks of a political hit job.

    As for lots of women it comes down to the Leigh Corfman. The other gals in the original story were not filing complaints. They were thrown in to pad a story about a man who supposedly was an ephebophile.

    Beverly Nelson admitted to altering the yearbook that she so enthusiastically displayed as evidence.

    Tina Johnson was a 28 year old mother of three. After convincing us that Roy Moore was an ephebophile, we are now supposed to believe that he grabbed the backside of such a woman, while her mother was in the same room no less. An ephebophile by definition would not find a 28 year old three-time mom attractive.

    Debbie Wesson Gibson provided a scrapbook with dubious features. But she did not find anything wrong with Moore for over 36 years until the WaPo story came out about Corfman.

    It's one thing if a candidate has a history of such charges. But Moore did not. At least he did not until it was too late to remove his name from the ballot of a US Senate race.

    If you can be separated from a candidate that easily, and thus throw the election to someone who is pledging to ideologically oppose you on nearly every issue of importance, then you are setting yourself up for failure. This will happen again. It was just too easy.

    As a commenter wrote above, the best thing would have been to elect Moore. If the charges somehow turned out to be true then he could have been removed. At least his removal would have been based upon something more substantial. But no, the allegations alone got half the GOP base to stay home.

    This has to be the single best voter suppression operation I've seen. And just think, the GOP is routinely criticized for trying to suppress the black vote. They don't have anything on what just happened in Alabama.

    Excellent analysis.

    On another note, there sure is a bunch new concern troll monikers in this thread.

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    I noticed that too. OFA must have gotten some Soros bux for Christmas.
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  265. Mr. Anon says:
    @c matt
    But he's not talking about the yearbook or other documents. If I understand correctly, Moore himself stated in his defense that he got the mothers' permission to date their teenage daughters when he was in his mid-30s. Wow, great defense there Einstein. So the moms pimp out their teenage daughters to you, probably hoping for a profitable match like something out of a Jane Austen novel. That is supposed to resonate with 2017 suburban Alabamians?

    But he’s not talking about the yearbook or other documents. If I understand correctly, Moore himself stated in his defense that he got the mothers’ permission to date their teenage daughters when he was in his mid-30s. Wow, great defense there Einstein. So the moms pimp out their teenage daughters to you, probably hoping for a profitable match like something out of a Jane Austen novel. That is supposed to resonate with 2017 suburban Alabamians?

    Yeah, afterall, they’re not Hillbillies………………..like Jerry Seinfeld, who started dating his (now) wife when he was 39 and she was 17, or New Wave musician Doug Fieger:

    My Sharona

    Those guys are backwoods crackers straight out of Tobacco Road or Dogpatch.

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    Jerry Seinfeld met his wife when he was 44 and she was 27. Nice try though.
    , @Autochthon
    I followed your link and was horrified to learn of a travesty much more serious than schtupping young poon:

    In the Pazz & Jop 1979 Critic's Poll "My Sharona" and Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk" were tied for sixth place in the list of top singles of the year.
     
    Eeesh.


    "I Want You To Want Me," among others, was infinitely superiour.
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  266. @L Woods
    The left (and shortly thereafter the cucked right) will find a rationalization for making the sodomizing of a 6 year old boy acceptable (nay, laudable!) but dating a 16 year old girl EVIL. "Something something patriarchy, something something power imbalance, something something loser." See? That wasn't hard.

    This.

    “Well of course the constitution says killing babies in the womb is a right, sodomites marrying is a right, trannies in the military is right, freedom of association for me but not thee is a right, diversity in hiring and admissions is a right, banning prayer in school is a right, women in combat is a right, ignoring immigration laws is a right, born here you are a citizen is a right”

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  267. Berty says:

    So many angry and desperate defenses of Roy Moore in this thread. You guys sure picked a bad hill to die on.

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    LOL. At least you used the word angry instead of problematic or some such.

    Let me guess, you are Rich Lowry.

    Is the Corner closed today?
    , @istevefan

    You guys sure picked a bad hill to die on.
     
    It is more along the lines of we picked a bad party to die for.

    I watched last year as GOPe fought tooth and nail to support Hillary over Trump despite their long history of telling us to we had to rally around whoever was their party nominee, e.g. John McCain. They essentially risked a Supreme Court pick and probably more because Trump did not meet their standards.

    I watched GOPe piss away last year's historic victory of the House, Senate and White House, along with major gains in a majority of the states. I watched them renege on a 7 year promise to eliminate Obamacare. I've watched them do absolutely nothing for a full 12 months while having more power than at any time since the 1920s.

    I watched last night as GOPe put the final touches on blowing a shoo-in Senate seat which now puts our agenda in more jeopardy.

    Shall I go on?

    The problem last night in Alabama, and currently in Washington, is not Roy Moore. It is the GOPe.
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  268. @Paleo Liberal
    """
    In any event, probably Trump’s cucking (i.e. becoming Dubya II with tax cuts and wars around the world) didn’t help them, though.
    """

    Which has surprised me not at all.

    It turns out, for the 2016 election, I knew people who knew the Clinton and the Trump families very well.

    As far as Trump goes, I knew a lawyer who did legal for for Fred Trump for several decades. I mean, this was someone who knew the insides of the Trump business like the back of his hand.

    Leading up to the election, I kept getting emails from this guy's son-in-law, who is someone I know extremely well. Every email was along the lines of "Donald Trump is a crook" or "Donald Trump is a con man".

    The people I knew who knew the inner workings of the Trump business voted for Hillary Clinton.


    I held my nose and voted for Hillary Clinton. I firmly believed that Trump's alt-right leanings were a con, and that he would govern like a Bush.

    I have stated in other places (such as a letter of mine that was on the VDARE web site) that if Trump turned out NOT to be a con man, and if he governed the way he promised, I would vote for his re-election. If he wound up as a noisier JEB, I would vote for whatever crap weasel the Democrats come up with.

    So, how's the RAISE Act going?
    Or how about DACA?
    Or replacing Obamacare with something better?
    Or a tax plan that doesn't just let the elites continue their pillage of our country?
    Oh, and did you notice the tax breaks for golf course owners and real estate developers? Gee, I wonder who THAT helps?

    And Hillary Clinton would have meant more foreign (and lost) wars, more Third-World immigration (lots and lots more), more affirmative action and other anti-white, especially anti-white male, policies. If you think PC is authoritarian now, under Hillary we would move to the totalitarian stage. Oh, and by now she’d have appointed far-left loons to secure all of the above constitutionally through two Supreme Court nominations (cancer-stricken Ginsberg would have resigned, secure in the knowledge that she’d be replaced by someone even further to the extreme left than her).

    At least Trump spared us from all of the above. But, of course, you support all of the above in its entirety – that’s why you’re butthurt Trump won.

    And he’s done some good stuff: Immigration is down; the Muslim travel ban has been upheld by the Supreme Court and so far, barring a dumbass missile strike in Syria, we’ve had no new wars.

    Whatever his flaws, thank God Trump won.

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    People that bash Trump don’t recognize how bad the alternative would have been. Clinton openly ran on “white privilege” and denounced working class Americans as “deplorables” if she had won the cultural climate would have been 10x worse than it is today.

    It appears Trump for now is taking the right lessons from Moore’s defeat. It’s more about Moore, but he has a role in this too. Tone it down on Twitter, stop negatively dominating the news.
    Focus on policy, he needs to be more populist in his orientation next year. His target audience should be Midwest whites next year, his Southern antagonist bass is with him. By targeting MW whites it would help him soften his image a bit and yield more populist policy.
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  269. @Berty
    So many angry and desperate defenses of Roy Moore in this thread. You guys sure picked a bad hill to die on.

    LOL. At least you used the word angry instead of problematic or some such.

    Let me guess, you are Rich Lowry.

    Is the Corner closed today?

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  270. @Classical Liberal
    https://twitter.com/TheToddSchulte/status/940801428041486337

    Great win tonight for common sense immigration reform.

    Great win tonight for common sense immigration reform.

    Translation: Great win tonight for open borders and amnesty.

    You’re welcome.

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  271. istevefan says:
    @Berty
    So many angry and desperate defenses of Roy Moore in this thread. You guys sure picked a bad hill to die on.

    You guys sure picked a bad hill to die on.

    It is more along the lines of we picked a bad party to die for.

    I watched last year as GOPe fought tooth and nail to support Hillary over Trump despite their long history of telling us to we had to rally around whoever was their party nominee, e.g. John McCain. They essentially risked a Supreme Court pick and probably more because Trump did not meet their standards.

    I watched GOPe piss away last year’s historic victory of the House, Senate and White House, along with major gains in a majority of the states. I watched them renege on a 7 year promise to eliminate Obamacare. I’ve watched them do absolutely nothing for a full 12 months while having more power than at any time since the 1920s.

    I watched last night as GOPe put the final touches on blowing a shoo-in Senate seat which now puts our agenda in more jeopardy.

    Shall I go on?

    The problem last night in Alabama, and currently in Washington, is not Roy Moore. It is the GOPe.

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    The difference is Trump won. Roy Moore lost in a state that went 62% for Trump.

    If Steve Bannon wanted to remove Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader, I guess he got a vote for that either way last night. I can just imagine how productive a two-vote majority in the Senate will be this coming year for Trump and his agenda.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    Myself voted straight Republican for fifty-plus years, and will never again participate in an election, regardless of level.
    These idiots have allowed themselves to be intimidated out of power by one simple expression, that of : "Racism".
    I have advised for years, to no avail, to turn the Democrats supreme weapon, the expression of "Racism" back on them.
    As this one simple word has allowed them to gain the advantage in every contested area of society.
    DT should open every tweet with the phrase : "To Democrat racists, the founders of the KKK", and rub the historical facts under their noses.
    However this approach apparently seems beneath the "dignity" of the Republican goody-two-shoes Dummköpfe, so just keep losing you Goddamn nitwits.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.
    , @Authenticjazzman
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  272. Thomas says:
    @SteveRogers42
    And of course, in a few years actual pedophilia will be legitimized, since the practitioners were "born that way". Just as homos and trannys were redefined into perfectly-normal non-perverts, pedos will be given the seal of globohomo approval.

    But in the Current Year, a nationalist and reliable MAGA supporter got successfully smeared with an unearned label...one that will soon be retconned into "respectability".

    And of course, in a few years actual pedophilia will be legitimized, since the practitioners were “born that way”. Just as homos and trannys were redefined into perfectly-normal non-perverts, pedos will be given the seal of globohomo approval.

    Under past and current trends, I doubt it. First, pedophilia has seemed to become even more taboo over time as every other sexual deviance has been legitimized. (To hear some people on this board tell it, it was fashionable in the 70′s to go trolling around the mall for teenagers.) I think there’s been a process of collective reaction formation and displacement that’s maintained pedophilia as the last unacceptable sexual vice, and has actually pushed it even further beyond the pale than it might have been years ago, even as every other sexual taboo has eroded.

    Years ago, early gay rights organizations were playing footsie with pedo outfits but dropped them like a hot potato once backlash from parents’ groups arrived. The gay organizations went on to dress up like nice, friendly next-door neighbors in sweater vests who just wanted to get married. To this day, they’ll bare their nails and make hissy noises if you even suggest any of them would even dream of looking at anyone who was a day short of 18.

    Also, advocating publicly for the legitimization of pedophilia or participating in any sort of pedophile-rights organization is probably a great way to get aggressive attention from law enforcement, so there’s not much opportunity for any sort of pressure groups or “lavender mafia” to get off the ground.

    Then again, what do I know? I think “transgenderism” is the best living example of mass psychosis.

    My guess: if pedophilia gets legitimized, it will be through attacks on Western norms against polygamy and child marriage being treated as “racist” against Muslims.

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  273. Thomas says:
    @istevefan

    You guys sure picked a bad hill to die on.
     
    It is more along the lines of we picked a bad party to die for.

    I watched last year as GOPe fought tooth and nail to support Hillary over Trump despite their long history of telling us to we had to rally around whoever was their party nominee, e.g. John McCain. They essentially risked a Supreme Court pick and probably more because Trump did not meet their standards.

    I watched GOPe piss away last year's historic victory of the House, Senate and White House, along with major gains in a majority of the states. I watched them renege on a 7 year promise to eliminate Obamacare. I've watched them do absolutely nothing for a full 12 months while having more power than at any time since the 1920s.

    I watched last night as GOPe put the final touches on blowing a shoo-in Senate seat which now puts our agenda in more jeopardy.

    Shall I go on?

    The problem last night in Alabama, and currently in Washington, is not Roy Moore. It is the GOPe.

    The difference is Trump won. Roy Moore lost in a state that went 62% for Trump.

    If Steve Bannon wanted to remove Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader, I guess he got a vote for that either way last night. I can just imagine how productive a two-vote majority in the Senate will be this coming year for Trump and his agenda.

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  275. @Mr. Anon

    But he’s not talking about the yearbook or other documents. If I understand correctly, Moore himself stated in his defense that he got the mothers’ permission to date their teenage daughters when he was in his mid-30s. Wow, great defense there Einstein. So the moms pimp out their teenage daughters to you, probably hoping for a profitable match like something out of a Jane Austen novel. That is supposed to resonate with 2017 suburban Alabamians?
     
    Yeah, afterall, they're not Hillbillies....................like Jerry Seinfeld, who started dating his (now) wife when he was 39 and she was 17, or New Wave musician Doug Fieger:

    My Sharona

    Those guys are backwoods crackers straight out of Tobacco Road or Dogpatch.

    Jerry Seinfeld met his wife when he was 44 and she was 27. Nice try though.

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    Jerry Seinfeld met his wife when he was 44 and she was 27. Nice try though.
     
    My mistake. I meant his girlfriend, Shoshanna Lonstein:

    http://defamer.gawker.com/remember-when-38-year-old-jerry-seinfeld-dated-a-17-yea-1714153938

    He was 38; she was a 17 year old high-school student.

    Nice try though.

    , @istevefan

    Jerry Seinfeld met his wife when he was 44 and she was 27. Nice try though.
     
    He confused two different gals. Prior to meeting his wife, who had just returned from her honeymoon with her first husband, late thirty-something Jerry Seinfeld dated teenager Shoshanna Lonstein.
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  276. @Sam Davis
    white women with college degrees pretty much did Moore in from the data I can see.

    white men w/ degree: 64-32% Moore
    white men w/o degree: 81-16% Moore
    white women w/ degree: 54-43% Moore
    white women w/0 degree: 74-24% Moore

    he was an awful candidate, and not it any way alt-right, imo. he is a hardcore Christian who only cares about gay people. Mo Brooks would have won by a landslide, but the GOPe wouldn't allow that, thus we have a Democrat in Alabama.

    white women w/ degree: 54-43% Moore

    The demographic most likely to find Moore ‘icky’?

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  277. Ed says:
    @Sam Davis
    white women with college degrees pretty much did Moore in from the data I can see.

    white men w/ degree: 64-32% Moore
    white men w/o degree: 81-16% Moore
    white women w/ degree: 54-43% Moore
    white women w/0 degree: 74-24% Moore

    he was an awful candidate, and not it any way alt-right, imo. he is a hardcore Christian who only cares about gay people. Mo Brooks would have won by a landslide, but the GOPe wouldn't allow that, thus we have a Democrat in Alabama.

    These are actually pretty good exits that don’t show any erosion in Trump’s base among those that showed up. The problem is Moore galvanized his opponents to show up more than Trump’s base.

    He was just a bad candidate, Trump’s rally actually brought him back into a tie according to Jones’ internals, before Jones was up. Moore promptly spends the last week going missing and only shows up to do the Bannon event.

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  278. Ed says:
    @celt darnell
    And Hillary Clinton would have meant more foreign (and lost) wars, more Third-World immigration (lots and lots more), more affirmative action and other anti-white, especially anti-white male, policies. If you think PC is authoritarian now, under Hillary we would move to the totalitarian stage. Oh, and by now she'd have appointed far-left loons to secure all of the above constitutionally through two Supreme Court nominations (cancer-stricken Ginsberg would have resigned, secure in the knowledge that she'd be replaced by someone even further to the extreme left than her).

    At least Trump spared us from all of the above. But, of course, you support all of the above in its entirety - that's why you're butthurt Trump won.

    And he's done some good stuff: Immigration is down; the Muslim travel ban has been upheld by the Supreme Court and so far, barring a dumbass missile strike in Syria, we've had no new wars.

    Whatever his flaws, thank God Trump won.

    People that bash Trump don’t recognize how bad the alternative would have been. Clinton openly ran on “white privilege” and denounced working class Americans as “deplorables” if she had won the cultural climate would have been 10x worse than it is today.

    It appears Trump for now is taking the right lessons from Moore’s defeat. It’s more about Moore, but he has a role in this too. Tone it down on Twitter, stop negatively dominating the news.
    Focus on policy, he needs to be more populist in his orientation next year. His target audience should be Midwest whites next year, his Southern antagonist bass is with him. By targeting MW whites it would help him soften his image a bit and yield more populist policy.

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    One of the more interesting comments I read somewhere called the GOP the "Yabut" party.

    Trump did such and such! Yabut Hillary!

    Moore did so and so! Yabut Al Franken!

    Like it or not, in off-year elections, the party in power is judged not by their record. So far in 2017 the GOP has been judged on its own merits, not by what people imagine a Hillary Clinton presidency would be like. Yabut doesn't win off-year elections. Like it or not, Hillary Clinton is not in the White House nor in Congress nor in any other elected office, and won't be on the ballot in 2018.

    For the 2017 elections, the GOP did significantly worse in EVERY election than in 2016. Which means that for a lot of voters Yabut isn't working anymore.

    Up through 2016 GOP had been extremely lucky that the Democratic Party has been self-destructing faster than the GOP for about the past 52 years. In 2017 the Democratic Party has been showing signs of life, while the GOP has been self-destructing faster than the Democrats.

    The ONLY thing that could keep 2018 from being a complete bloodbath is the incompetence of the Democratic Party. Being a Democrat myself, I take no joy in the incompetence of the Democrats.

    However, if the GOP is hell-bent on being the party of screwing over its own base, it could be a bloodbath anyway. If the Democrats get their act together, it could be a bloodbath. If the Mueller investigation turns up really nasty stuff about Trump (and sources I know who were close to Trump many years ago say there are plenty of skeletons that could turn up), it will be a bloodbath. Yabut won't work.

    I want Trump to do a great job, because I value my country far, far, far more than I value the empty husk of the Democratic Party. It looks to me like he has turned against the people who elected him, and is in bed with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. I live in Wisconsin, and I take absolutely no pride in Paul Ryan.

    My family have been Democrats since the beginning. I had an ancestor who was a Major under Andrew Jackson, and one of the soldiers under my ancestor's command saved Jackson's life in the Battle of Horseshoe Bend. Democrats ever since.

    My wife's family came here from a Communist country, and fell in love with Reagan. Republicans ever since.

    When my wife and I first met, we would both split our ballots, voting for the best candidate regardless of party We lived in NYC. We both voted for Giuliani, for example, because Dinkins was so incredibly corrupt and incompetent. We now live in Wisconsin, where the GOP has screwed over working people so badly that neither of us will ever vote for a Republican.

    So, my wife and I look at things and say, what have the Republican done for us?

    My mother-in-law had to compete with illegal aliens in her job in New York, which lowered her wages and finally caused her to retire earlier than she wanted. The GOP did nothing to stop that.

    My wife's family sees their neighborhood in NYC being overrun by illegal aliens. The GOP does nothing.

    My wife is a state employee, and the Wisconsin GOP screwed over state employees.

    I have kids in Wisconsin public schools, and the Wisconsin GOP screwed over the public schools.

    I have a kid at the University of Wisconsin. One day the Wisconsin GOP took $250 million from the UW and gave it to the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team. Is our kids learning yet?

    A company in Wisconsin I used to work for moved my jobs overseas. The GOP tax plan rewards companies that offshore.

    At one point I lost a job because a company thought it cheaper to hire an H1-B visa worker. The GOP has done nothing to stop the abuse of the H1-B system, despite all the promises in the last election. Instead they give tax breaks to the companies who hire H1-B workers.

    I am now an independent contractor. The GOP tax plan screws over independent contractors.

    "Yabut Hillary" doesn't cut it. Hillary is not in office. She is not the one screwing my family over. My family is getting screwed over by Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and now Donald Trump. Every one of them a Republican.

    I am ashamed to see what has happened to the once-great Democratic Party. But, they are the only ones standing in the way of the Corporate GOP. That is enough to keep me from leaving what used to be the party of Jackson, and it is enough to keep my wife voting against what used to be the party of Reagan.
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  279. @istevefan

    You guys sure picked a bad hill to die on.
     
    It is more along the lines of we picked a bad party to die for.

    I watched last year as GOPe fought tooth and nail to support Hillary over Trump despite their long history of telling us to we had to rally around whoever was their party nominee, e.g. John McCain. They essentially risked a Supreme Court pick and probably more because Trump did not meet their standards.

    I watched GOPe piss away last year's historic victory of the House, Senate and White House, along with major gains in a majority of the states. I watched them renege on a 7 year promise to eliminate Obamacare. I've watched them do absolutely nothing for a full 12 months while having more power than at any time since the 1920s.

    I watched last night as GOPe put the final touches on blowing a shoo-in Senate seat which now puts our agenda in more jeopardy.

    Shall I go on?

    The problem last night in Alabama, and currently in Washington, is not Roy Moore. It is the GOPe.

    Myself voted straight Republican for fifty-plus years, and will never again participate in an election, regardless of level.
    These idiots have allowed themselves to be intimidated out of power by one simple expression, that of : “Racism”.
    I have advised for years, to no avail, to turn the Democrats supreme weapon, the expression of “Racism” back on them.
    As this one simple word has allowed them to gain the advantage in every contested area of society.
    DT should open every tweet with the phrase : “To Democrat racists, the founders of the KKK”, and rub the historical facts under their noses.
    However this approach apparently seems beneath the “dignity” of the Republican goody-two-shoes Dummköpfe, so just keep losing you Goddamn nitwits.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  280. @istevefan

    You guys sure picked a bad hill to die on.
     
    It is more along the lines of we picked a bad party to die for.

    I watched last year as GOPe fought tooth and nail to support Hillary over Trump despite their long history of telling us to we had to rally around whoever was their party nominee, e.g. John McCain. They essentially risked a Supreme Court pick and probably more because Trump did not meet their standards.

    I watched GOPe piss away last year's historic victory of the House, Senate and White House, along with major gains in a majority of the states. I watched them renege on a 7 year promise to eliminate Obamacare. I've watched them do absolutely nothing for a full 12 months while having more power than at any time since the 1920s.

    I watched last night as GOPe put the final touches on blowing a shoo-in Senate seat which now puts our agenda in more jeopardy.

    Shall I go on?

    The problem last night in Alabama, and currently in Washington, is not Roy Moore. It is the GOPe.

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  281. @Boethiuss

    What the hell are YOU talking about?
     
    What do you mean what am I talking about? I'm talking about the fact that when the shit was hitting the fan and it looked like Moore was going to be pressured out of the race, Steve Bannon came from Breitbart to organize and speak at a bunch of rallies and thereby hope to pull his irons out of the fire, thereby losing an otherwise unloseable race. A race which you thought Moore was going to win up till yesterday (since you like to keep score on such things).

    That's what I'm talking about.

    Again not knowing what you’re talking about, par for the course for you, I know.

    We were talking about campaign managers, you dunce. Bannon making the best of a bad situation thanks to McConnell’s idiocy and literally forged evidence does not make this his fault in any way. If Armistead had run a focused campaign versus what went on, they could have won handily. Instead the campaign bunkered down.

    You’re gonna have to change your name again here in a minute bruh. This is just getting sad.

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    You’re gonna have to change your name again here in a minute bruh. This is just getting sad.
     
    You've beat this drum at least a half dozen times by now. And it just occurred to me, that the comments on this site are searchable. And I know these newfangled computers are complicated for a Mayberry RFD deputy like yourself, but I went and looked it up. And according to the archives, I stopped commenting as Boethius in April of last year and started commenting as Boethiuss in June. And I can assure you I thought Trump just as much a loser in June as he was in April.

    So maybe you should be changing your moniker to Brian Ross Fake News.
    , @Boethiuss

    We were talking about campaign managers, you dunce. Bannon making the best of a bad situation thanks to McConnell’s idiocy and literally forged evidence does not make this his fault in any way.
     
    You're talking about campaign managers, I'm talking about how Bannon massively fubared this race. Lol, Bannon is not at fault. Bullshit, he's the most at fault of anyone for this debacle past Moore himself, and maybe including him.

    They had plenty of time to get Moore out of the race after the shit went down. He had at least a month to go to Moore and say,

    "Look Roy, you're out. Strange (or Mo Brooks, or state Rep Jim Smith from Montgomery or whoever) is our guy. Mitch wants you out, Sessions wants you out, Shelby wants you out, I want you out. There's nobody left who will help you. It might look unfair, but we're not going to try to put a child sex offender in the Senate. It's too late to take your name off the ballot but if you try to stay in the race you're looking at 10% of the vote, max. You gotta go."

    And he might have done it except that doesn't work for Bannon. Bannon isn't about actually winning, he's just trying to get one over on Mitch McConnell.

    This business about Mitch McConnell has cooties is a bullshit game from the get-go. Bannon and his friends can still play that game if they want to, but they still have to take care of business and they horribly failed to do so. Contrary to what another commenter suggested, it's not Mitch McConnell who's the Washington Generals of this game.
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  282. @Boethiuss
    You thought Moore was going to win as of two days ago, so maybe you should start commenting as Jack Hansonn.

    Moore lost by a squeaker with obvious voter shenanigans based off the entire national political and cultural apparatus against. In spite of that, his margin of loss may very well trigger a recount.

    Your default position is to put in your ballgag and wail about how we are doomed. Settle your cuck ass down.

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    Moore lost by a squeaker with obvious voter shenanigans based off the entire national political and cultural apparatus against. In spite of that, his margin of loss may very well trigger a recount.
     
    There haven't been any credible accusations of voting irregularities that I have seen and you haven't cited any. He's a loser. He lost.
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  283. @Berty
    You know, I'm starting to wonder what "Bannon-style populism" is even supposed to be? So far as I've seen all it involves is one group of Republicans calling another group of Republicans "globalists" and "cucks" but when it comes to actual policy the two are strikingly similar. Despite being labeled a horrible white supremacist Bannon seems to get along just fine with corporations hedge funds and bankers. He had no objections to the terrible Obamacare repeal that failed and actually pushed hard for it (I should note that this was the beginning of Trumps very steep drop in the polls). he didn't make Trump tear up NAFTA on day one and we still have no wall.

    Just what exactly did we vote for?

    “We” haha right.

    ‘hello my fellow alt righters’ indeed

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  284. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Excellent analysis.

    On another note, there sure is a bunch new concern troll monikers in this thread.

    I noticed that too. OFA must have gotten some Soros bux for Christmas.

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  285. @Berty
    I also want to add that he really needs to start acting more presidential. Like a LOT more presidential.

    ” Acting more presidential”

    Just what, pray tell, does “acting presidential” involve? : Speaking in somber tones, and never getting to the point, or claiming, regarding anything which we disagree with, “that’s not who we are”, or telling the leader of the biggest, with twelve time zones, country on earth that his nation is only a “regional power”.
    Or disparaging the (hard working, decent) “deplorables” and their despised bibles and guns.
    Or screwing actresses while having a gorgeous wife at home.
    Just what does “acting presidential” consist of other than being a political BS artist such as the majority of politicians, who have brought calamity and bloodshed everywhere on earth, have always been.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

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  286. @JimB
    It's a shame Moore lost. He would have voted reliably for the Trump agenda, which is why the Uniparty is celebrating his defeat. The Globalists have unlimited funds to interfere in state elections, so expect this and the Virginia Gubinatorial election to be a template. Gin up false charges against populist candidates and falsely accuse them of racism and sexual perversion. Heaven forbid the election should be about issues that matter to the lives of voters. Then pad the Democrat immigrant/Hispanic/black margin with felons and illegal aliens.

    Democrats and globalists have been losing the political and cultural argument for decades, but they have been winning elections through sleazy propaganda, which drives down voter turnout except for motivated left wing partisans. Moore was basically defeated by 22,000 felon votes activated in the the weeks before the election. The rural white base was discouraged to vote by illegal Facebook ads indicating that votes were public record, the implication being that when the globalist overlords regain the White House voters could have their taxes audited. Not an unreasonable assumption after Hopey Changey politicized every corner of the Federal bureaucracy, which is why we have Hillary partisans running an FBI investigation into everyone even remotely connected to a populist president.

    We now live in a third world country. Enjoy!

    We now live in a third world country. Enjoy!

    Yesss! And a few more years of global warming/climate change/whatever, we’ll have the climate commensurate with a Banana Republic!

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  287. Mr. Anon says:
    @ScarletNumber
    Jerry Seinfeld met his wife when he was 44 and she was 27. Nice try though.

    Jerry Seinfeld met his wife when he was 44 and she was 27. Nice try though.

    My mistake. I meant his girlfriend, Shoshanna Lonstein:

    http://defamer.gawker.com/remember-when-38-year-old-jerry-seinfeld-dated-a-17-yea-1714153938

    He was 38; she was a 17 year old high-school student.

    Nice try though.

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    Nice try though.
     
    LOL You're the one who was wrong, not me. I know the difference between Jerry's girlfriend and wife. Janis Ian sang a famous song about the girlfriend.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K3_6TnpVDQ
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  288. @Ed
    People that bash Trump don’t recognize how bad the alternative would have been. Clinton openly ran on “white privilege” and denounced working class Americans as “deplorables” if she had won the cultural climate would have been 10x worse than it is today.

    It appears Trump for now is taking the right lessons from Moore’s defeat. It’s more about Moore, but he has a role in this too. Tone it down on Twitter, stop negatively dominating the news.
    Focus on policy, he needs to be more populist in his orientation next year. His target audience should be Midwest whites next year, his Southern antagonist bass is with him. By targeting MW whites it would help him soften his image a bit and yield more populist policy.

    One of the more interesting comments I read somewhere called the GOP the “Yabut” party.

    Trump did such and such! Yabut Hillary!

    Moore did so and so! Yabut Al Franken!

    Like it or not, in off-year elections, the party in power is judged not by their record. So far in 2017 the GOP has been judged on its own merits, not by what people imagine a Hillary Clinton presidency would be like. Yabut doesn’t win off-year elections. Like it or not, Hillary Clinton is not in the White House nor in Congress nor in any other elected office, and won’t be on the ballot in 2018.

    For the 2017 elections, the GOP did significantly worse in EVERY election than in 2016. Which means that for a lot of voters Yabut isn’t working anymore.

    Up through 2016 GOP had been extremely lucky that the Democratic Party has been self-destructing faster than the GOP for about the past 52 years. In 2017 the Democratic Party has been showing signs of life, while the GOP has been self-destructing faster than the Democrats.

    The ONLY thing that could keep 2018 from being a complete bloodbath is the incompetence of the Democratic Party. Being a Democrat myself, I take no joy in the incompetence of the Democrats.

    However, if the GOP is hell-bent on being the party of screwing over its own base, it could be a bloodbath anyway. If the Democrats get their act together, it could be a bloodbath. If the Mueller investigation turns up really nasty stuff about Trump (and sources I know who were close to Trump many years ago say there are plenty of skeletons that could turn up), it will be a bloodbath. Yabut won’t work.

    I want Trump to do a great job, because I value my country far, far, far more than I value the empty husk of the Democratic Party. It looks to me like he has turned against the people who elected him, and is in bed with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. I live in Wisconsin, and I take absolutely no pride in Paul Ryan.

    My family have been Democrats since the beginning. I had an ancestor who was a Major under Andrew Jackson, and one of the soldiers under my ancestor’s command saved Jackson’s life in the Battle of Horseshoe Bend. Democrats ever since.

    My wife’s family came here from a Communist country, and fell in love with Reagan. Republicans ever since.

    When my wife and I first met, we would both split our ballots, voting for the best candidate regardless of party We lived in NYC. We both voted for Giuliani, for example, because Dinkins was so incredibly corrupt and incompetent. We now live in Wisconsin, where the GOP has screwed over working people so badly that neither of us will ever vote for a Republican.

    So, my wife and I look at things and say, what have the Republican done for us?

    My mother-in-law had to compete with illegal aliens in her job in New York, which lowered her wages and finally caused her to retire earlier than she wanted. The GOP did nothing to stop that.

    My wife’s family sees their neighborhood in NYC being overrun by illegal aliens. The GOP does nothing.

    My wife is a state employee, and the Wisconsin GOP screwed over state employees.

    I have kids in Wisconsin public schools, and the Wisconsin GOP screwed over the public schools.

    I have a kid at the University of Wisconsin. One day the Wisconsin GOP took $250 million from the UW and gave it to the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team. Is our kids learning yet?

    A company in Wisconsin I used to work for moved my jobs overseas. The GOP tax plan rewards companies that offshore.

    At one point I lost a job because a company thought it cheaper to hire an H1-B visa worker. The GOP has done nothing to stop the abuse of the H1-B system, despite all the promises in the last election. Instead they give tax breaks to the companies who hire H1-B workers.

    I am now an independent contractor. The GOP tax plan screws over independent contractors.

    “Yabut Hillary” doesn’t cut it. Hillary is not in office. She is not the one screwing my family over. My family is getting screwed over by Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and now Donald Trump. Every one of them a Republican.

    I am ashamed to see what has happened to the once-great Democratic Party. But, they are the only ones standing in the way of the Corporate GOP. That is enough to keep me from leaving what used to be the party of Jackson, and it is enough to keep my wife voting against what used to be the party of Reagan.

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    Just curious what you think screws over independent contractors in the GOP tax plan?

    I want specifics.
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  289. @eah

    Considering Trump didn’t endorse Moore in his primary and Moore was a lousy candidate, I believe it 100 percent.

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  290. istevefan says:
    @ScarletNumber
    Jerry Seinfeld met his wife when he was 44 and she was 27. Nice try though.

    Jerry Seinfeld met his wife when he was 44 and she was 27. Nice try though.

    He confused two different gals. Prior to meeting his wife, who had just returned from her honeymoon with her first husband, late thirty-something Jerry Seinfeld dated teenager Shoshanna Lonstein.

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  291. Boethiuss says:
    @istevefan

    No no. Lots of women, on the record, basically independent telling and thereby corroborating the same story. With lots of ancillary evidence besides. Bullshit about the MSM aside, there’s lot of credibility there. I wouldn’t necessarily believe it otherwise.
     
    Are you that dense that you believe these accusations at the 11th hour? A man who has had a decades long career with nothing like this at all on his record is now suddenly a serial sexual predator? You have no skepticism at all? You are not the least bit concerned about the timing, both in when the allegations were made public and in how long they have gone unreported? It doesn't add up and it reeks of a political hit job.

    As for lots of women it comes down to the Leigh Corfman. The other gals in the original story were not filing complaints. They were thrown in to pad a story about a man who supposedly was an ephebophile.

    Beverly Nelson admitted to altering the yearbook that she so enthusiastically displayed as evidence.

    Tina Johnson was a 28 year old mother of three. After convincing us that Roy Moore was an ephebophile, we are now supposed to believe that he grabbed the backside of such a woman, while her mother was in the same room no less. An ephebophile by definition would not find a 28 year old three-time mom attractive.

    Debbie Wesson Gibson provided a scrapbook with dubious features. But she did not find anything wrong with Moore for over 36 years until the WaPo story came out about Corfman.

    It's one thing if a candidate has a history of such charges. But Moore did not. At least he did not until it was too late to remove his name from the ballot of a US Senate race.

    If you can be separated from a candidate that easily, and thus throw the election to someone who is pledging to ideologically oppose you on nearly every issue of importance, then you are setting yourself up for failure. This will happen again. It was just too easy.

    As a commenter wrote above, the best thing would have been to elect Moore. If the charges somehow turned out to be true then he could have been removed. At least his removal would have been based upon something more substantial. But no, the allegations alone got half the GOP base to stay home.

    This has to be the single best voter suppression operation I've seen. And just think, the GOP is routinely criticized for trying to suppress the black vote. They don't have anything on what just happened in Alabama.

    Are you that dense that you believe these accusations at the 11th hour? A man who has had a decades long career with nothing like this at all on his record is now suddenly a serial sexual predator? You have no skepticism at all? You are not the least bit concerned about the timing, both in when the allegations were made public and in how long they have gone unreported? It doesn’t add up and it reeks of a political hit job.

    Ok, what is going to be the upshot of my “concern”? Hit job or no, the accusations are likely to be true or at least well-substantiated. We know that from when Roy Moore weakly tried to deny them, but ended up confirming them.

    If the timing of this had been different, or maybe if he’d handled the accusations a little better, he might have survived. But, let’s repeat, if this information would have come out a month or so earlier, he would never have survived a primary, so there it’s hard to give Moore any credit for that.

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    Hit job or no, the accusations are likely to be true or at least well-substantiated.
     
    The point is they appear to not be well-substantiated. Hence in a 40 plus year career in which he has been the enemy of both democrat and GOPe alike, allegations of such behavior have never been made.

    There is no way a lightening rod like Moore can last that long if he had such past behavior. He did not emerge from a cave to run for the Senate.

    If the timing of this had been different, or maybe if he’d handled the accusations a little better, he might have survived.
     
    The only guys in my lifetime who could have survived such allegations are Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. The former because the media would have been casting doubt upon the accusers and the latter because of sheer force of personal will and charisma.

    My main concern in all of this is that we are moving into the territory of allegations prove guilt. Which is BS. We had a guy in Kentucky commit suicide yesterday. Even some of the democrats I think are getting shafted. We cannot condone accepting allegations without some level of scrutiny.
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  292. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Also ignored is the Bush Mafia’s complicity in forging that yearbook. Considering how little the Left and Cucks learn from when their shit goes WRONG, you better believe its gonna be all yearbooks, all the time from here on out.
     
    For anyone who doubts this, look at CNN's original tweet of the yearbook. I use this link because if I linked to any other source people would claim the photo had been doctored. But this photo is the one put out by CNN.

    After opening the tweet, click on the right-hand photo to enlarge it. Notice the ink coloration? People mistakenly suggested two different colored inks were used. But that is not the case because it would have been easily spotted as a hack job. The better explanation I have found is that they used what they believed to have been the same color ink. But the newer ink has a different chemical formula than the original from 1977. So the two inks reflect light differently and the camera angle of the freeze-frame caught it. The naked eye probably could not have caught it.

    Anyway it looks suspicious enough to at least demand an impartial party have access to determine if it is different. At the very least it should not be used to help railroad a guy out of town.

    Additionally there is the suspicious signature with "DA" following his name. As stated above Moore's explanation that his judicial clerk, whose initials were DA, did this after stamping his name to legal docs makes sense. Given that Ms Nelson appeared before Moore in a divorce case and had such a doc with that stamp and initials, it further merits independent examination before condemning the guy.

    Keep in mind the yearbook is immaterial about whether or not assault was committed. However, because Ms Nelson introduced it to cement her case, any indication of fraud should totally destroy her credibility.

    Too bad Rush, Hannity and others refused to push on this specific item. They were too afraid of being wrong. I don't see why. We are supposed to suss out the truth and should not be punished for doing so.

    Evidently the “Moore DA” etc. was added; didn’t she admit that? The question is: is Moore the original “Roy”? I mean, the signature by itself only proves that she knew some guy named Roy.

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  293. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Makes no sense to say dodged a bullet. Impeaching Moore or having him resign, would have resulted in the republican governor of Alabama naming his successor. That successor would vote generally much better than Doug jones on some vital issues, including the future composition of our country through immigration, and would tend to have an advantage in name recognition and incumbency when it came time to win reelection on his own.

    Fools in Alabama should have voted for Moore and then pushed him to quit after he was sworn in and Traitor Jones thereby denied that powerful seat.

    “Fools in Alabama should have voted for Moore and then pushed him to quit after he was sworn in and Traitor Jones thereby denied that powerful seat.”

    So Alabamans should have elected someone they knew was incompetent, then promptly worked to get him out so a precious seat could be maintained in the Senate for the Republicans, a group that you despise?

    Wow, just wow.

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    So Alabamans should have elected someone they knew was incompetent, then promptly worked to get him out so a precious seat could be maintained in the Senate for the Republicans, a group that you despise?
     
    If it resulted in a better class of Republican, the gambit might have been worth it.

    Even with its flaws, it's certainly better than any advice you've ever offered here.

    Wow, just wow.
     
    Any other hipster phrases from the bowling alley bar you want to throw in? Yawn, just yawn.
    , @Mr. Anon

    So Alabamans should have elected someone they knew was incompetent, then promptly worked to get him out so a precious seat could be maintained in the Senate for the Republicans, a group that you despise?
     
    In order to keep out someone from a group we despise more - Democrats - yes. And why is electing someone incompetent necessarily so bad? It's better than electing someone who might be competent, but only at enacting a loathesome agenda, which is what Doug Jones is.

    Apparently you are too stupid to understand the rather simple logic involved.

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  294. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Makes no sense to say dodged a bullet. Impeaching Moore or having him resign, would have resulted in the republican governor of Alabama naming his successor. That successor would vote generally much better than Doug jones on some vital issues, including the future composition of our country through immigration, and would tend to have an advantage in name recognition and incumbency when it came time to win reelection on his own.

    Fools in Alabama should have voted for Moore and then pushed him to quit after he was sworn in and Traitor Jones thereby denied that powerful seat.

    “The corporate tax cuts (which I’d support up to a point) are permanent while tax cuts directly to individuals have a sunset date?”

    Thanks to Trump, the crony capitalist. Didn’t see that one coming, eh? Totally blind sided by the GOP tax scam, I mean, tax plan?

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  295. Boethiuss says:
    @istevefan

    No no. Lots of women, on the record, basically independent telling and thereby corroborating the same story. With lots of ancillary evidence besides. Bullshit about the MSM aside, there’s lot of credibility there. I wouldn’t necessarily believe it otherwise.
     
    Are you that dense that you believe these accusations at the 11th hour? A man who has had a decades long career with nothing like this at all on his record is now suddenly a serial sexual predator? You have no skepticism at all? You are not the least bit concerned about the timing, both in when the allegations were made public and in how long they have gone unreported? It doesn't add up and it reeks of a political hit job.

    As for lots of women it comes down to the Leigh Corfman. The other gals in the original story were not filing complaints. They were thrown in to pad a story about a man who supposedly was an ephebophile.

    Beverly Nelson admitted to altering the yearbook that she so enthusiastically displayed as evidence.

    Tina Johnson was a 28 year old mother of three. After convincing us that Roy Moore was an ephebophile, we are now supposed to believe that he grabbed the backside of such a woman, while her mother was in the same room no less. An ephebophile by definition would not find a 28 year old three-time mom attractive.

    Debbie Wesson Gibson provided a scrapbook with dubious features. But she did not find anything wrong with Moore for over 36 years until the WaPo story came out about Corfman.

    It's one thing if a candidate has a history of such charges. But Moore did not. At least he did not until it was too late to remove his name from the ballot of a US Senate race.

    If you can be separated from a candidate that easily, and thus throw the election to someone who is pledging to ideologically oppose you on nearly every issue of importance, then you are setting yourself up for failure. This will happen again. It was just too easy.

    As a commenter wrote above, the best thing would have been to elect Moore. If the charges somehow turned out to be true then he could have been removed. At least his removal would have been based upon something more substantial. But no, the allegations alone got half the GOP base to stay home.

    This has to be the single best voter suppression operation I've seen. And just think, the GOP is routinely criticized for trying to suppress the black vote. They don't have anything on what just happened in Alabama.

    If you can be separated from a candidate that easily, and thus throw the election to someone who is pledging to ideologically oppose you on nearly every issue of importance, then you are setting yourself up for failure. This will happen again. It was just too easy.

    As a commenter wrote above, the best thing would have been to elect Moore. If the charges somehow turned out to be true then he could have been removed. At least his removal would have been based upon something more substantial. But no, the allegations alone got half the GOP base to stay home.

    This is just ridiculous, in fact it’s the opposite of the reasons why Moore had to go now. If Moore stays, he brings down the whole GOP with him because he closely associates the GOP name with Moore. Every Senate candidate from Missouri, North Dakota, Indiana wherever is going to talking about the age of consent and rest of Moore’s crap. When push comes to shove you can overlook stuff like a monument to the Ten Commandments at a courthouse. That’s just one guy, and it has nothing to do with me. You can’t do that with the sexual abuse of children.

    Imagine a debate or a simultaneous interview of the candidates:

    “Mr D. Crat, you have sponsored an amendment to remove the requirements for proficiency in the English as part of the process for normalizing the status of the undocumented. Your opponent has accused you of supporting amnesty, what is your response to that?”

    “Well Wolf, I don’t know where the Republicans land on this, but throughout my entire career in public service I have taken a strong stand against child rape.”

    “Good point D. I also have a question for Mr GOP: considering how many of Roy Moore’s votes were crucial to supporting the Trump/Republican agenda, how can the Republicans reestablish credibility against the exploitation of children?”

    We can’t afford to carry that kind of dead weight. As things stand we lose one sure thing Senate seat which is a big deal, but we keep Moore from contaminating the GOP brand and next year’s debate. He had to go now.

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  296. Boethiuss says:
    @Berty
    You know, I'm starting to wonder what "Bannon-style populism" is even supposed to be? So far as I've seen all it involves is one group of Republicans calling another group of Republicans "globalists" and "cucks" but when it comes to actual policy the two are strikingly similar. Despite being labeled a horrible white supremacist Bannon seems to get along just fine with corporations hedge funds and bankers. He had no objections to the terrible Obamacare repeal that failed and actually pushed hard for it (I should note that this was the beginning of Trumps very steep drop in the polls). he didn't make Trump tear up NAFTA on day one and we still have no wall.

    Just what exactly did we vote for?

    You know, I’m starting to wonder what “Bannon-style populism” is even supposed to be? So far as I’ve seen all it involves is one group of Republicans calling another group of Republicans “globalists” and “cucks” but when it comes to actual policy the two are strikingly similar.

    Yeah, this is what I was trying to get at in an earlier comment. Bannon would like us to believe this is about globalism vs. nationalism etc. But increasingly that’s turned out to be a red herring. This is simply being a flaky crank for its own sake. Certainly that’s been the case with Roy Moore. The usual things that would excite the commenters here: immigration, trade, non-interventionism, were nonissues during that whole campaign. Roy Moore wants us to die on the hill of the Ten Commandments and underage sex. And we get butthurt when that doesn’t fly.

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    Like I said before, it's fun to see liberals get pissed off and act stupid because of something you did, but if you're not able to follow up on that with something to benefit your voters and beliefs than what exactly have you really accomplished?

    Moore, Akin, and Mourdock were all alike in that they were lame weepy Christian Right candidates who ultimately couldn't handle the pressures of a real campaign and hoped that the party label would pull them through. They didn't care about the real issues that voters wanted them to address and it hurt them (Moore apparently didn't even know what DACA was). But they sure did trigger liberals and the media so I guess we're supposed to love them? No thanks.
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  297. And the heads keep rolling. Here’s a particularly absurd case of gay sex regret:

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article189465769.html

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  298. @Mr. Anon

    Jerry Seinfeld met his wife when he was 44 and she was 27. Nice try though.
     
    My mistake. I meant his girlfriend, Shoshanna Lonstein:

    http://defamer.gawker.com/remember-when-38-year-old-jerry-seinfeld-dated-a-17-yea-1714153938

    He was 38; she was a 17 year old high-school student.

    Nice try though.

    Nice try though.

    LOL You’re the one who was wrong, not me. I know the difference between Jerry’s girlfriend and wife. Janis Ian sang a famous song about the girlfriend.

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    LOL You’re the one who was wrong, not me.
     
    You were the one who was trying to wave away the salient point. He did indeed date a high-school student.
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