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There are few things more poisonous to democracy and rule of law than a political party figuring out it can win elections by importing foreigners to vote for it. It’s unethical and, in fact, it’s so unethical that it encourages the party and its allies to go on the offensive to make the victims, the citizens, feel vaguely guilty about their “privilege.”

One way to trim the Democratic Party’s ability to manufacture votes through immigration is to actually enforce the law that says that to becomes citizens, immigrants must be able to read, write, and speak basic English. Jason Richwine has a done a study for the Center for Immigration Studies using an international benchmark, the PIAAC test, a cousin of the famous PISA test. From the Washington Examiner:

5 million immigrants granted US citizenship can’t speak English

by Paul Bedard | Jul 12, 2017, 3:12 PM

In a stunning indictment of the system that tests immigrants on their eligibility to become “naturalized citizens,” a new report finds that a third are functionally illiterate, unable to speak and understand enough English to get that status.

Some 32 percent of naturalized citizens, about 5 million, fall below “basic” skills in English, the equivalent of being functionally illiterate, according to a new report from the Center for Immigration Studies.

The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.

According to the U.S. Customs and Immigration Services, those hopeful of becoming U.S. citizens must “be able to read, write, and speak basic English.” They must also “have a basic understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).”

While the immigrants apparently pass the minimum test, CIS looked also to a more authoritative test conducted by the Program for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies and found that in reality many immigrants are functionally illiterate. The tests, done before President Trump took office, suggest that 32 percent of all naturalized citizens speak English “not well or not at all.” Of those, nearly half were Hispanics.

 
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  1. Karl says:

    what are the common-law writs, which would allow an individual American to move the court to forbid issuance of a certificate of naturalization to a named person, for reasons of English-illiteracy, or to have it revoked?

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Such a case would be immediately dismissed for lack of standing.

    The cases that have been partially successful against both Obama's and Trump's EOs have been brought by states as the primary plaintiffs.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I think that the writ would be mandamus, which a court issues to compel an official to perform a (generally ministerial) duty. Courts are generally reluctant to grant such writs and the present judiciary is so enamored with immigration that finding a judge willing to do so would be difficult. An individual might also have difficulty obtaining standing, which would require that the person seeking the writ would suffer some kind of individual loss on the basis of what the administrative official plans to do. The "standing" of the plantiffs in the actions brought to enjoin the Trump visa issuance moratorium was pretty flimsy, but sufficient for a court hostile to the Trump order in the first place.

    It strikes me that if citizenship were granted on the basis of fraudulent representations of English competency, that the citizenship would be subject to revocation once the fraud is proved. Recently naturalized citizens could be required to report for English competency testing--people failing the test would have their citizenship revoked. A person with revoked citizenship could then be deported to the country of origin--they're now just illegal aliens. Any person who originally certified English-language competence would face criminal fraud charges. An aggressive program might lead to self-deportation or even return to the original homeland.
    Precede the whole thing with a three month period of voluntary, free-of-charge renunciation of citizenship, as long as the person renouncing it leaves within the three month period.

    Here's a good project for Jeff Sessions.
    , @Neoconned
    Stop w the crazy sovereign citizen nutjob dog whistling.

    An individual cant do shit. We have to act as a group & form lobbies, interest groups, etc.....and that is just a start.

    I just left Humboldt County wrapping up my vacation for the summer.

    There are tens of thousands of foreigners here. Some illegals some on tourist visas lying about being on vacation.

    You cant even get a job trimming pot any more....

    There are ppl here from Africa, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia, North Africa, Europe and of course scores from Mexico and Central America.

    If Trump doesnt end this shit soon we won't even have an economy any more
    , @John D. Horton
    All "writs" were abolished by the 1938 "Federal Rules of Civil Procedure." Naturalization is an administrative process handled through the Department of Homeland Security's Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS).

    It might be possible to sue under the Administrative Procedures Act 5 USC 500-, but generally you have to be a "real party in interest" to be granted "standing" to sue. The real party in interest is usually the person applying for citizenship so the courts probably won't allow your standing to sue as a third party claiming that parts of the immigration law were not properly followed in accordance with the Administrative Procedures Act.

    At a minimum you could file objections to a citizenship application with the USCIS and they might take than into consideration before granting citizenship.

    Reporting the criminal activity and fraud of a citizen-applicant would definitely get them barred from citizenship especially if they are convicted of a felony. So creating a police and court record of felony criminal convictions should be an automatic bar to citizenship which you should report to the USCIS.
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  2. jim jones says:

    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

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    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?
     
    Usually the person manning the cash register can. In my favorite Chinese restaurant, there is a tiny 8-year-old girl standing on a box running the cash register at times. Her English is impeccable. The owner speaks a certain amount of Spanish, necessary for supervising the staff.
    , @lamps
    The maitre'd, and the waitresses can speak English. The people who cook and wash dishes might not, but then again, they don't need to for their jobs.

    I know that you were implying that none of them could speak english.
    , @Rora
    Ret me guess: Not a rot?
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?
     
    Most of these are illegal aliens, Jim, not just people who cheated through the immigration test. I have the inside scoop on this from a Chinamanperson. There are millions of illegal Chinese, and they are smart enough not to bring attention to themselves.

    BTW, I'm not saying it's hurt the LaRaza Mexicans bringing on attention, YET, but I'm hoping it will soon - something like this suggestion on VDare: Colorado’s “Licenses For Illegals” Program Presents ICE With An Opportunity–Round Up The Illegals Who’ve Applied

    I wish just ONE GUY in government with some guts and smarts would carry something like this out. What he would realize after the fact would be that an event like this would be in the national spotlight, making him a BIG NAME. A lot of these people want to be a BIG NAME - for some that's all they do care about. All we gotta do is get an idea like this into one guy's head - once it becomes a huge story, and he receives accolades from patriotic Americans all over the country, others will follow in his footsteps. Who's gonna be this leader?
    , @ThreeCranes
    I stopped going to Chinese restaurants, particularly buffets.

    I always look into the back to size up the personnel and I won't eat in a restaurant that employs all Mexican cooks. I've lived in Mexico and seen what their kitchens look like up close. Filthy mops laden with Pine Sol being dragged across mud smeared floors does little to sharpen my appetite. Since most local restaurants feature hispanic help that leaves me little choice but to eat at home. Better food and less chance of disease.

    , @Elf Himself

    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?
     
    Well, in flyover country where I live, all of the ethnic Chinese who work directly with customers speak it at least passingly - most of them pretty well, actually. Can't speak for the Guatemalans and Salvadorans in the kitchen, though.
    , @Olorin
    I never go to restaurants where ANY of the staff show signs of (or have been discussed by friends as) being unable to speak English.

    How the hell would they be acquainted with, e.g., this:

    http://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/Pubs/332-033.pdf

    http://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Food/FoodWorkerandIndustry/FoodSafetyRules

    Which itself is the lowest possible bar agreed upon by greedy restaurant owners and bickering politicians (both of them classes of scientific ignoramuses as evidenced by their choice of occupation).

    No thankee. No interest whatever in eating anything compiled by people who have to be reminded to poo in the loo, or not boil dogs, cats, and pigs alive.

    , @anonymous
    This article is talking about people who have been minted as new US citizens. The majority of servers in Chinese restaurants are not only non US citizens, they probably aren't even in this nation legally.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    None, but one of the Cantonese ladies spoke excellent Mandarin.
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  3. There are few things more poisonous to democracy and rule of law than a political party figuring out it can win elections by importing foreigners to vote for it. It’s unethical.

    What is unethical about it?

    How is it that it poisons democracy?

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    • Replies: @OFWHAP
    It's similar to POTUS wanting to increase the number of SC Justices and then "packing the Court" with friendly judges. The current citizens also have no say on our immigration policy, so our voices are being drowned out by politicians looking to entrench themselves.
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  4. Hubbub says:

    In a multicultural, multiracial society we welcome those who cannot speak or understand English. We simply demand that our native citizens learn new and foreign languages in order to get by in their own country. Isn’t Spanish becoming a required course in our schools? If not, it should be. then, and then, we can add Arabic, Pashtun, Asian (various Eastern languages – take your pick), Swahili, Burundian, etc. We must be a welcoming society.

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  5. Of those, nearly half were Hispanics

    Luckily, Ron Unz has a plan to fix that. That way, we won’t have any problems with lots of Hispanics, right Ron?

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  6. Altai says:

    In a stunning indictment of the system that tests immigrants on their eligibility to become “naturalized citizens,” a new report finds that a third are functionally illiterate, unable to speak and understand enough English to get that status.

    Is it so stunning? Theses signs exist for a reason.
    http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BAX03G/vote-korean-chinese-spanish-english-multi-language-language-poll-polling-BAX03G.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxGlrvbCUAA-rkF.jpghttps://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/fieldable-panel-panes/basic-panes/images/2015/08/07/voting_banner.png
    Here is PBS before the election crowing about how the new languages on voter registration forms in New York will lead to more immigrants voting.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/new-york-city-voter-registration-languages/

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  7. Clyde says:

    I am going to trot out the standard, “It would be racist to demand that those aspiring to be US citizens to be English literate or marginally functional.”

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, this is exactly what would be said if Trump tried to actually enforce the law- the same thing that happnes whenever he tries to enforce the law, like doing something about the stream of illegals or halting the immigration of people from the Middle East who blatantly are a source of danger for American citzenry- "Its racist, it's deplorable, that's not who we are," blah blah blah, waaaaa.... idiots waving signs, judges ruling it is unconstitutional to enforce the law over some nonsensical technicality. At this point, the only thing that would take back rule of law in this country would be a millitary state.
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  8. DJF says:

    The problem with this is that Democrats will just claim that immigrant lack of skill in English is due to White racism since not enough US tax money was spent educating immigrants.

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  9. Rob McX says:

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.

    The idea of an “American” who can’t speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Easily possible if you live in an enclave where you almost never hear or have to use English. I also wonder how many of the people who are illiterate in English are also illiterate in their native spoken language (probably Spanish). I've read that lots of the "Syrian" refugees are illiterate in Arabic--the prospects that they'll become literate in an Indo-European language are slim and none.

    And Steve is right--importing foreigners and improperly naturalizing them because they'll vote for your party's candidates is a complete and reprehensible perversion of democracy.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?
     
    A person of a lower level of education and literacy in their native language, or a homebound wife, people who only associate with groups of same language workers, such as agricultural workers or cleaning crews.

    Both of my children, aged 8 and 4, came to the US 14 months ago as fluent native speakers of Spanish, and now both are so fluent in English that they have completely forgotten how to speak Spanish, except for singing a few nursery rhymes.

    When we were on vacation in a Spanish speaking country a few weeks ago, they completely blanked out when people who have known them all their lives spoke to them in Spanish.

    And yet when I asked them what the Spanish word for 'fox' was the other day, both of them instantly replied 'zorro'.

    This has forced their mother to step up her knowledge of English, which is her third language, so as to communicate with her children, as they are no longer able to take directions in Spanish.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm not sure what kind of person, Rob, but I met a Chinese lady selling food out of her garage in a nice 2,000 sq. ft home in the exurbs via some on-line deal - she and the Chinese husband (who wasn't there then) have been here since the early 1990's, and the lady could hardly communicate. It was reedikaluss.

    There's no assimilation once immigrants move to areas with even just a few hundred people from the same country. Hey, one could say the same for American expatriates in some sections of Guadalajara, or wherever, or a community in Costa Rica. Is Fred Reed assimilated? He doesn't write much about it after we commenters tore him a virtual new one when he wrote that one idiotic post about his Mexicanity a few months back (he's a great writer otherwise though)

    , @Barnard
    To be fair, there were many Eastern European and Italian immigrants in the 19th and early 20th Century who never became fluent in English. They were mostly the older family members and lived in neighborhoods where they wouldn't have needed to learn it. The same kind of thing happens now, the kids learn English but the parents don't even try.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Rob, it works because they live in tight knit communities and there is no requirement for them to speak English. Probably against the law to say you must speak English to be hired. In Buffalo, my cousin teaches ELS students, who only speak Spanish at home. They stay in these programs for two years and then if no progress they are taught solely in Spanish. How many excellent math and science teachers do you think they have that are fluent in Spanish. When I in worked in Columbia I took the time to learn enough Spanish so I could ask directions and order a meal. It wasn't that hard and I was only there for a month at a time. Of course now most signage and instructions are in multiple languages so why bother.
    , @Brutusale
    This description applies to about 70% of the production employees in just about any manufacturing facility in the country these days.

    The company I'm currently consulting for is 60% Asian (mostly Cambodians, with a generous component of Vietnamese and Chinese in the hand-finishing department) and 25% Hispanic in production. The only English-fluent ones were born here.

    The perfect example is my production liaison, a very nice, well-liked and hardworking Cambodian. He, his mother, his brother and his grandfather were the only family members to escape the Pol Pot nightmare. He spent 2 years in Thailand and then came to the US at age 9. He's been here for almost 40 years, and his English, while mostly intelligible face-to-face, is hard to parse on the phone. He's told me that he mostly speaks Khmer at home, and the majority of his reports are Cambodians and he's responsible to make translations for them. He's the English language scholar for his department!

    He invited me to his daughter's high school graduation last month. I met his wife, who came from Cambodia at age 2 and is fluent in both languages; her English is essentially unaccented. Their 2 children both seem like average American kids and are less comfortable speaking Khmer to their elders.

    Liaison and wife are both citizens, proud to be Americans and quite happy to be here. The kids are indistinguishable from their friends I saw at the party, who were mostly white with a smattering of Asians. It seems to me that they track closely with the immigrant/1st generation experience through the years.

    , @for-the-record

    What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?
     
    Brits, for one, they are universally known for this. I am currently living in Portugal (Madeira), and the British expat community essentially takes pride in the fact that they don't speak Portuguese.
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    It's quite possible to have a lifestyle that doesn't require you to learn the native language, but in the context of English, the global lingua franca, not learning it when you live in a country where it is spoken is incomprehensible to me. The "insular community" reasoning is weak, because there are masses of people proficient-to-fluent in English who have never stepped foot in an English-language country, much less spoken it at home. It's especially frustrating where Hispanics are concerned. Having to learn English with Chinese as your mother tongue is one thing, but Spanish and English are sister languages in the study of language acquisition; if you are fluent in one, the other one is highly accessible. Not to mention that English is in general an easy foreign language to learn (except for its many irregularities, but those aren't central to the language). Is there an intentional resistance by many Hispanic Americans to not learn English, ala Quebec? Also, is a language test requirement even feasible as a policy recommendation when the USA has no official language?
    , @anonymous

    The idea of an “American” who can’t speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?
     
    An invader.
    , @FLgeezer
    >What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    Nearly everyone in Miami-Dade County.
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  10. Lot says:
    @Karl
    what are the common-law writs, which would allow an individual American to move the court to forbid issuance of a certificate of naturalization to a named person, for reasons of English-illiteracy, or to have it revoked?

    Such a case would be immediately dismissed for lack of standing.

    The cases that have been partially successful against both Obama’s and Trump’s EOs have been brought by states as the primary plaintiffs.

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    brought by states as the primary plaintiffs.
     
    What about counties, cities, and various boards of control? (School boards)
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  11. @Karl
    what are the common-law writs, which would allow an individual American to move the court to forbid issuance of a certificate of naturalization to a named person, for reasons of English-illiteracy, or to have it revoked?

    I think that the writ would be mandamus, which a court issues to compel an official to perform a (generally ministerial) duty. Courts are generally reluctant to grant such writs and the present judiciary is so enamored with immigration that finding a judge willing to do so would be difficult. An individual might also have difficulty obtaining standing, which would require that the person seeking the writ would suffer some kind of individual loss on the basis of what the administrative official plans to do. The “standing” of the plantiffs in the actions brought to enjoin the Trump visa issuance moratorium was pretty flimsy, but sufficient for a court hostile to the Trump order in the first place.

    It strikes me that if citizenship were granted on the basis of fraudulent representations of English competency, that the citizenship would be subject to revocation once the fraud is proved. Recently naturalized citizens could be required to report for English competency testing–people failing the test would have their citizenship revoked. A person with revoked citizenship could then be deported to the country of origin–they’re now just illegal aliens. Any person who originally certified English-language competence would face criminal fraud charges. An aggressive program might lead to self-deportation or even return to the original homeland.
    Precede the whole thing with a three month period of voluntary, free-of-charge renunciation of citizenship, as long as the person renouncing it leaves within the three month period.

    Here’s a good project for Jeff Sessions.

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    Good ideas.

    Isn't there also an old law on the books that immigrants shouldn't be public charges?
    , @Autochthon
    This proposal is exactly the kind of thing the government is liable to implement any day now; it very much embodies the concerns and priorities of politicians everywhere, and fits with their ideals and practices. They are very much earnest and eager about justice, democracy, and fairness to the citizenry in their commitment to uphold constitutional ideals memorialised by the nation's founders.
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  12. Lot says:

    It isn’t about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

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    It isn’t about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration
     
    This is not the party of the 1930s or 1960s anymore. JFK would be thrown out and unPersoned and threatened with death by today's D party.

    , the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.
     
    The D's have been quite open about using immigration to replace white people. They've written reports about it encouraging it, devised political strategies around it, and constantly celebrate how "whites" will be replaced soon,

    Yes, the real goal is the elites v. middle class, but to get most D's on board they needed to give something more immediate to the party hacks. Promised electoral success was that, along with massive corporate donations for it.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I suspect that Democrats hit upon the strategy as a response to Nixon's southern strategy. The Democratic coalition that elected FDR, Harry Truman and even JFK and Lyndon Johnson bears only a passing resemblance to the Democratic coalition of today.
    , @ic1000
    One post but two Sailerisms that even some of my Blue State fellow citizens might kinda sorta get.

    There are few things more poisonous to democracy and rule of law than a political party figuring out it can win elections by importing foreigners to vote for it.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle.
    , @Chriscom
    Lot, embrace the power of "and."
    , @Cato

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.
     
    The illegal immigration of low-skill Latinos has most harmed the bottom of the US labor force, not the middle. Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration--cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.
    , @wj
    A different Democratic party and during the depression.

    Today's Democrats have undergone an astonishingly complete transformation on immigration. HRC's statements opposing illegal immigration from 10 years ago, Bill Clinton's legislation from 20 years ago, Obama voting funding for a border fence in 2006. These are all distant and forgotten positions, never to return again. Judging by ICE actions under Obama, it is immoral to simply control the border at all.

    The 2010 mid term defeats rattled the Dems so much that they came to the conclusion that a demographic kill shot was the only solution to an aging, more and more conservative white American voting population.

    The greed factor comes in with the GOP , especially in regard to the near miss Gang of 8 of 2013.
    , @Jason Liu
    The democrats back then would be considered reactionary fascists today. Trump is probably more socially liberally than any of them.
    , @prole
    Certainly a big reason for our immigration policy was designed primarily to lower wages...but the Democrats have realized it also expands their advantage in elections, thus the Democrats want amnesty and to continue accepting 1.2 million legal immigrants each year.
    , @Thea
    I often disagree with you but you are spot on here and this is an important point. If Johnson hadn't screwed up Vietnam, 1968 would have gone Dem likely.

    The GOP whores accept donations from global corporations just as much if not more than Dems.

    Dems have become the immigrants party by necessity not design.

    , @Barnard
    It is about replacing groups they previously had to pander to in order to win elections with others who are more easily controlled and manipulated. Also, many of them now believe the rhetoric about whites being the worst thing in the history of the world.
    , @Travis
    Massive immigration was promoted by the GOP to reduce wages and weaken the unions. The 1990 Immigration Act was approved by the Senate. Only 3 GOP senators voted against this bill, which doubled Legal immigration, created the diversity Lottery and the H1b visa program. Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for naturalization which was imposed in the Naturalization Act of 1906 and eliminating the exclusion of homosexuals under the medically classification of "sexual deviant" that was present in the passage of the 1965 Act.

    Interesting to note that Al Gore and Harry Reid were two of 15 democrats who voted against the 1990 Immigration Act. Both California Senators voted against it (Republican Pete Wilson and Democrat Alan Cranston)

    but since then the democrats have realized that massive immigration does create more democrats. This is a reason the democrats will fight against immigration reform which reduces Legal immigration. If 60% of recent immigrants were voting for Republicans, Harry Reid and the Democratic Senate would have passed immigration reform when they had the majority in 2009 to Reduce Legal immigration.
    , @FKA Max
    This is what it is all about, in my opinion:

    The charge is that the Vatican strongly desires to see a Catholic majority in America so that the Vatican can exercise much greater, if not complete, control over the American democratic process, in the same way that the Vatican controlled the government of Italy for decades through the Christian Democratic Party. Many authors have advanced this idea. I have read this charge time and again over the past decade or so, and, until recently, I thought the idea ridiculous. But after observing the Church’s bold and thinly veiled actions in the Reagan Administration, I now believe these authors are probably describing reality. If 150 million Latin Americans legally and illegally migrate to the United States in the next twenty to thirty years, this apparent goal can be achieved. And, as I discussed at length in chapter two,[6] these numbers are demonstrably not farfetched.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1623864

    Catholicism’s incredible growth story

    Critics keep announcing the Church’s imminent demise. If only they realised that numbers have doubled since 1970 – and are still rising

    This reality was brought home to me when I visited Denmark, which is historically one of the continent’s least Catholic nations. But go to a small city like Aarhus and watch the floods of people surrounding the small Catholic church, where Masses are offered in languages as diverse as Vietnamese, English, Chaldean and Tagalog (the last being the main tongue of the Philippines). The global Church comes home; or perhaps we should say, the empires strike back.

    When we consider those African statistics alone, any suggestion of the Catholic Church “dying” or even stagnating is so wildly inaccurate as to be comical.


    – http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/september-9th-2016/catholicisms-incredible-growth-story/
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1870992

    California and the End of White America
    The unprecedented racial transformation of California and its political consequences.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

    And it was not just moderate Republicans like Wilson who held pro-immigrant views; so, too, contrary to stereotype, did many prominent conservatives. The entrepreneurship and economic dynamism of most immigrants, the strong family values and Catholic faith of Latinos, the fierce anti-Communism of Cuban and Vietnamese refugees–these did not go unnoticed during the Reagan era. In 1984, during the heated debate over the Simpson-Mazzoli Immigration Act, none other than right-winger Patrick J. Buchanan had denounced the proposed legislation as mean-spirited toward hard-working illegal immigrants,
    [...]
    If the Right could find little fault with immigrants during this period, liberals and the Left often showed greater hostility. Environmentalists pushing for slow-growth economic measures often locked horns with Latino (and black) elected officials from working-class districts where the paramount issue was jobs rather than “quality of life”;
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1843877

    The “Refugees Welcome” and “open borders” agenda is driven by globalist capitalists (Davos Men), who are aided and abetted by the Catholic Church, etc., not by ordinary women.

    The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. Their alliance with the Church has put in place a system that pays no heed to genetic inheritance. When the Catholic Church is in power in Latin America, whether the stronger ecclesiastical current of time is on the Right or Left, the arc of history will always lead to a country (even one as white as Argentina) that looks like Brazil or the Dominican Republic, with all of the politico-economic problems that entails.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/jthompson/tomster-on-marriage/#comment-1839275
    , @International Jew
    You're right of course that the Dems were doing just fine all along (like, LBJ winning in a landslide in 1964!)

    But what the "ringers" have made possible is a change in the Dems' center of gravity, leftward. You could say it's enabled the crazy lesbians and sociology professors and black militants to take the party away from ethnic whites and their labor unions.
    , @AnotherDad

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.
     
    Lot--respect you/your comments a "lot", very sharp for a younger guy, always worth reading.

    But "not any political goals" is just ridiculous.

    The 'state party' in every nation always finds ways to use state power not just to reward its friends but to cement its grip on power. (It's been like this since civilization first stated and it was "the court" party.) In the democratic West that means, "more voters!", and it recruits them by creating more and more 'entanglement' with and dependence on the state. Directly with employees and welfare (cash, housing, food, medical care), but beyond that with grantees, "activists", affirmative action hires, beneficiaries of hiring goals, legal infrastructure dealing with regulation, private bureaucracy necessary to react to it, on and on and on.

    The need of the state party for voters to keep it in power is precisely why the welfare state has been a runaway train in the West. The huge increase in both welfare dependency and legal entitlement and entanglement generated by the sexual revolution and feminism--the state taking from men and giving to women, in multiple ways, substituting for the old voluntary and reciprocal institution of marriage--is why the state pushed that so hard and why it was so overwhelmingly successful.

    The state parties in the West--rightly--realized that immigration is the "killer app" of political dominance. The new "citizens", are highly likely to be welfare and "services" dependent. But even better, the friction and grievance--racism!, "islamophobia!"--generated in multi-ethnic societies provides both a continual management function for the state (you'll never have any "small government" or "libertarian" paradise in a multi-ethnic society) and a locked in voter base for the state party.

    Seriously, this dynamic shouldn't even need to be spelled out--especially to Sailer commenters. It's obvious.

    Yes, there was direct private, "cheap labor" greed involved, especially in ramping this up--Mexican grape pickers for California vineyards, Mirpuris for Manchester mills, Turk "guest workers" for German industry. And there still is private "greed" demand for cheap immigrant labor from various ag, construction, "hospitality" industry companies--at least in the US where cheap labor immigrants still often work. But these low skill immigrants really aren't important to most of the economy even in the States and they don't do anything useful in Europe but suck welfare. (And uglify the streets--Paris full of black guys hawking shit.)

    "Greed" is definitely a huge driver, but that "greed" mostly isn't even private--Joe's construction or Jane's restaurant. Rather it is the greed--and "lust"--of the 'state party' for perpetual dominance and of all its apparatchiks for their comfy sinecures.

    , @anonymous

    It isn’t about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

     

    Emanuel Celler did not spend 40 years trying to upend US immigration policy because he was greedy.
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  13. @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    Easily possible if you live in an enclave where you almost never hear or have to use English. I also wonder how many of the people who are illiterate in English are also illiterate in their native spoken language (probably Spanish). I’ve read that lots of the “Syrian” refugees are illiterate in Arabic–the prospects that they’ll become literate in an Indo-European language are slim and none.

    And Steve is right–importing foreigners and improperly naturalizing them because they’ll vote for your party’s candidates is a complete and reprehensible perversion of democracy.

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    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    It isn’t about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration

    This is not the party of the 1930s or 1960s anymore. JFK would be thrown out and unPersoned and threatened with death by today’s D party.

    , the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    The D’s have been quite open about using immigration to replace white people. They’ve written reports about it encouraging it, devised political strategies around it, and constantly celebrate how “whites” will be replaced soon,

    Yes, the real goal is the elites v. middle class, but to get most D’s on board they needed to give something more immediate to the party hacks. Promised electoral success was that, along with massive corporate donations for it.

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  15. @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    I suspect that Democrats hit upon the strategy as a response to Nixon’s southern strategy. The Democratic coalition that elected FDR, Harry Truman and even JFK and Lyndon Johnson bears only a passing resemblance to the Democratic coalition of today.

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    I suspect that Democrats hit upon the strategy as a response to Nixon’s southern strategy.
     
    The Democrats have always been about finding new, poor immigrants to keep their share of the vote high. The descendants of immigrants tend to segue towards voting Republican, even if this takes many decades. The last great surge of Italians, after decades of high Italian immigration, was in the 10's. By 1970, the Italian vote was split 50-50, despite being reliably Democratic for the prior decades.
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  16. If this standard had been enforced from the get-go, we would not have people like the descendants of the Drumpfs and Kushners lording it over us now.

    It would not be a bad idea to deport anyone who is not fluent in English and literate.

    Unfortunately that would mean placing a large percentage of native born US citizens and native Americans in gulags pending removal as even high school diplomas and college degrees provide no warranty of literacy. I suppose it is doable, but it will need some work.

    Perhaps the President can consult with the Russians as they have some experience in this area of human resources management, and come up with a final solution to our personnel problems.

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    You are aware that laws applying to immigrants relating to naturalization do not apply to natural born citizens?
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  17. ic1000 says:
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    One post but two Sailerisms that even some of my Blue State fellow citizens might kinda sorta get.

    There are few things more poisonous to democracy and rule of law than a political party figuring out it can win elections by importing foreigners to vote for it.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle.

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    There are few things more poisonous to democracy and rule of law than a political party figuring out it can win elections by importing foreigners to vote for it.
     
    I harbor a fantasy where we deport our political opponents, which seems to be the plan in some of the countries shipping their precious people here.
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  18. @jim jones
    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    Usually the person manning the cash register can. In my favorite Chinese restaurant, there is a tiny 8-year-old girl standing on a box running the cash register at times. Her English is impeccable. The owner speaks a certain amount of Spanish, necessary for supervising the staff.

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  19. @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    A person of a lower level of education and literacy in their native language, or a homebound wife, people who only associate with groups of same language workers, such as agricultural workers or cleaning crews.

    Both of my children, aged 8 and 4, came to the US 14 months ago as fluent native speakers of Spanish, and now both are so fluent in English that they have completely forgotten how to speak Spanish, except for singing a few nursery rhymes.

    When we were on vacation in a Spanish speaking country a few weeks ago, they completely blanked out when people who have known them all their lives spoke to them in Spanish.

    And yet when I asked them what the Spanish word for ‘fox’ was the other day, both of them instantly replied ‘zorro’.

    This has forced their mother to step up her knowledge of English, which is her third language, so as to communicate with her children, as they are no longer able to take directions in Spanish.

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    One commenter on here proposed a few months back in the Salma Hayek thread proposed only allowing female immigrants with no children of child bearing age to immigrate.

    No kids, no old cat ladies, no men.

    This would be a true Trumpian immigration policy that 90+pc of men in the country would get behind.

    No joke we should do this.

    I guarantee that border will slam shut in WEEKS NOT MONTHS once all the women here start losing their gold digging rackets.....
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  20. lamps says:
    @jim jones
    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    The maitre’d, and the waitresses can speak English. The people who cook and wash dishes might not, but then again, they don’t need to for their jobs.

    I know that you were implying that none of them could speak english.

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    The maitre’d, and the waitresses can speak English.

    You go to Chinese restaurants with a maitre'd and waitresses? Well ain't you fancy!

    In the typical Chinese hash takeout dive, yeah it's the one cash register person speaking quasi-English and none of the cooks in the back (who around here are all Chinese) speak it. Though since many of the Chinese have been here a long time now, increasingly the upfront person is a teen or 20-something -- the children who speak very good English.

    Though in Asian sit-down restaurants I do find the wait staff are marginal English speakers. They are far from fluent. I guess on the coasts there's an endless supply of fresh off-the-boaters so we might have a higher percentage of bad English speakers.

    Agree with someone else on the thread that Chinese illegals are WAY more than is generally reported.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Here in Los Angeles we often encounter waiters / waitresses who speak and understand very little English.

    As for cooks and dishwasher "not needing English for their jobs", they should "need English" to live in our damn country in the first place.
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  21. Chriscom says:
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    Lot, embrace the power of “and.”

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  22. ladderff says:

    Steve, you’re the best but eventually you’re going to have to give up on putting “democracy” next to “rule of law.”

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  23. Cato says:
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    The illegal immigration of low-skill Latinos has most harmed the bottom of the US labor force, not the middle. Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration–cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.

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    Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration–cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.
     
    No, they might get a bit of cheaper labor, but this is nothing compared to the cost in the form of inferior schools, higher taxes, crowded hospitals, uninsured drunk drivers, less street parking, and a million ways little and big that low-skill immigration degrades the quality of life.

    I've been to 95% white places that have very high wages for unskilled labor: Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Luxembourg. People do fine without cheap labor.

    In my hometown in the 1990's, with virtually no immigrants, I had a job when I was 16 that paid, adjusted for inflation, $13 an hour. And plenty of 12-15 year old boys cut grass and shoveled snow for much more than minimum wage while their sisters babysat. All work done by immigrants now while teenagers get fat playing playing video games and social media.
    , @Faraday's Bobcat

    The illegal immigration of low-skill Latinos has most harmed the bottom of the US labor force, not the middle. Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration–cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.
     
    It may have most harmed the lower class, but it has harmed the middle as well, and in fact changed jobs like construction that used to be middle class and turned them into lower-class jobs, where you not only get paid crap but have no power or rights. In 1980 many construction workers could put their kids through college - try that now!

    Illegal immigration has a political purpose as well as an economic one: to devalue citizenship, which is a middle class value.

    The Democrats destroyed the middle class's values, and the Republicans destroyed its finances. Trump's unpardonable sin is merely having noticed this.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    cheaper and better yard work

     

    By definition not better, given the Laws of Economics. If they were better workers, other employers would want to steal them by offering higher wages. The wages of Mexicans on the Free Market shows the objective value of their labor. Mexicans are so undesirable as employees that in order to be hired they need to "sweeten the pot" by agreeing to low wages and long hours. If they were to go on strike and demand the same wages as native Whites, employers would just hire Whites instead.
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  24. Arclight says:

    It should – but doesn’t – give anyone pause that a major political party is so uncommitted to the people that already live here that they will import voters simply to hold onto power, and despite all the rhetoric about diversity the leaders will remain almost thoroughly white. The GOP deserves its share of blame as they have looked the other way on this issue for 2 decades at the behest of their Chamber of Commerce donors. In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else.

    So far Trump looks like a train wreck to me, but if he can hit the pause button on immigration for 4-8 years and keep the establishment out of power at the same time, it’s worth it provided we don’t end up doubling down on Afghanistan or involved in a war somewhere else.

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    • Replies: @Thea
    "Uncommitted to the people that already live here"

    This should be the mantra of the GOP but unfortunately most of them like the Bushes, Ryan, McCain etc are traitors as well.

    "We are comitted to Americans already here, not the 8 billion who want to come"
    That would win.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    On some important campaign promises, e.g., extricating the USA from the foreign war quagmires that Clinton/Bush/Obama have gotten us into and improving relations with Russia and China, Trump's record is weak and vacillating at best. But quietly, and on less prominent fronts, he's been fulfilling campaign promises and successfully chipping away at disastrous Obama policies. He's even appointed one authentic conservative judge to the Supreme Court. And he's done all this in the face of relentless opposition across the entire establishment including many of the snakes in what's supposed to be his party.

    Part of that establishment's strategy, implemented by their lackeys in the fake news MSM, is to harp endlessly on Trump's unfulfilled campaign promises while burying and otherwise ignoring the President's many small and quiet successes. If you doubt this, do a realistic comparison of what our current President has achieved during his first six months in office compared with the lackluster record -- I'm being kind here! -- of our first affirmative action President during the same time frame of his Presidency.
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    , @anonymous
    Why did it take the public over fifty years to wake up to the fact that they were being hosed? The Hart-Cellar Act was passed in 1965. Where were the critics THEN? Why no enforcement THEN? Enter Trump--fifty years later and possibly twenty-five years too late. Whether he will be able to to anything about it now is open to question. Yeah, ok, put up a wall! "Tighten up" on immigration! That horse already left the barn during a time in which, with the exception of Pat Buchanan, Peter Brimelow and a few "right wing" talk-radio hosts, not a finger was lifted.
    , @boxty
    If Trump's presidency looks like a train wreck to you, then it's because of the feckless GOP in Congress. Trump is getting stuff done within his powers as President. Congress? Not so much. Or were you hoping that Trump would literally be Hitler?
    , @RadicalCenter
    Great comment, Arclight.

    I'll quibble only that we should NOT expect the Dem Party leadership to remain white for long. That is changing and will likely change fairly drastically in the near future, especially here in California. Mexicans and part-Mexicans will lead the Dem Party in many parts of the country soon enough.
    , @Dee

    In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else
     
    When you can become a multi-millionaire from 15-20 years of 'serving', that's what you get; they want themselves and their family financially fixed for the next couple of generations if they do it right.

    Trump is upsetting this gravy train; if you were able to place a loaded gun to their heads, that's the answer as to why they oppose Trump. Not ideological nonsense; money and power are always the reason. That, and womyn for the guys; most men get rich to attract a better looking broad.

    See; William Jefferson Clintoon for the best recent example of this....

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    Perhaps the suite of naturalization, immigration and voting laws (the rules) enacted in the age of the three-masted frigate need updating for the age of the $500 intercontinental plane ride and the internet, since self-restraint seems absent from the Demi-ratic character.
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  25. Rora says:
    @jim jones
    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    Ret me guess: Not a rot?

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  26. bomag says:
    @Lot
    Such a case would be immediately dismissed for lack of standing.

    The cases that have been partially successful against both Obama's and Trump's EOs have been brought by states as the primary plaintiffs.

    brought by states as the primary plaintiffs.

    What about counties, cities, and various boards of control? (School boards)

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    The challenge to DAPA involved the states focusing on things like the cost of issuing illegals driver licenses. There is nothing stopping a county from doing this.

    A county challenging the illegal naturalization of people who lack of English skills might survive dismissal, so not a bad idea.

    In fact, now is a really good time for conservative cities and states to sue the federal government and work out "settlements" with the Trump DOJ that advances our shared causes. If Trump just goes and does X, he can be sued in Hawaii/Seattle/9th Circuit and the liberal judge can stop him. But if a conservative state AG sues Trump/DHS in front of a friendly federal judge in Texas and they settle for X, the government is bound to do X and it is the conservative Texas federal judge who supervises the settlement and decides if it is OK.

    This isn't my clever idea, liberal lawyers have been doing this for a long time.

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  27. wj says:
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    A different Democratic party and during the depression.

    Today’s Democrats have undergone an astonishingly complete transformation on immigration. HRC’s statements opposing illegal immigration from 10 years ago, Bill Clinton’s legislation from 20 years ago, Obama voting funding for a border fence in 2006. These are all distant and forgotten positions, never to return again. Judging by ICE actions under Obama, it is immoral to simply control the border at all.

    The 2010 mid term defeats rattled the Dems so much that they came to the conclusion that a demographic kill shot was the only solution to an aging, more and more conservative white American voting population.

    The greed factor comes in with the GOP , especially in regard to the near miss Gang of 8 of 2013.

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  28. bomag says:
    @ic1000
    One post but two Sailerisms that even some of my Blue State fellow citizens might kinda sorta get.

    There are few things more poisonous to democracy and rule of law than a political party figuring out it can win elections by importing foreigners to vote for it.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle.

    There are few things more poisonous to democracy and rule of law than a political party figuring out it can win elections by importing foreigners to vote for it.

    I harbor a fantasy where we deport our political opponents, which seems to be the plan in some of the countries shipping their precious people here.

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  29. Jason Liu says:
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    The democrats back then would be considered reactionary fascists today. Trump is probably more socially liberally than any of them.

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  30. @jim jones
    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    Most of these are illegal aliens, Jim, not just people who cheated through the immigration test. I have the inside scoop on this from a Chinamanperson. There are millions of illegal Chinese, and they are smart enough not to bring attention to themselves.

    BTW, I’m not saying it’s hurt the LaRaza Mexicans bringing on attention, YET, but I’m hoping it will soon – something like this suggestion on VDare: Colorado’s “Licenses For Illegals” Program Presents ICE With An Opportunity–Round Up The Illegals Who’ve Applied

    I wish just ONE GUY in government with some guts and smarts would carry something like this out. What he would realize after the fact would be that an event like this would be in the national spotlight, making him a BIG NAME. A lot of these people want to be a BIG NAME – for some that’s all they do care about. All we gotta do is get an idea like this into one guy’s head – once it becomes a huge story, and he receives accolades from patriotic Americans all over the country, others will follow in his footsteps. Who’s gonna be this leader?

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    Sheriff Joe Arpaio?
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  31. Thea says:
    @Arclight
    It should - but doesn't - give anyone pause that a major political party is so uncommitted to the people that already live here that they will import voters simply to hold onto power, and despite all the rhetoric about diversity the leaders will remain almost thoroughly white. The GOP deserves its share of blame as they have looked the other way on this issue for 2 decades at the behest of their Chamber of Commerce donors. In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else.

    So far Trump looks like a train wreck to me, but if he can hit the pause button on immigration for 4-8 years and keep the establishment out of power at the same time, it's worth it provided we don't end up doubling down on Afghanistan or involved in a war somewhere else.

    “Uncommitted to the people that already live here”

    This should be the mantra of the GOP but unfortunately most of them like the Bushes, Ryan, McCain etc are traitors as well.

    “We are comitted to Americans already here, not the 8 billion who want to come”
    That would win.

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    Being for the people who are already here would garner some votes from the people who are already here, but it would not please the donor class who benefit hugely from globalism/mass immigration.
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  32. There are few things more poisonous to democracy and rule of law than a political party figuring out it can win elections by importing foreigners to vote for it. It’s unethical and, in fact, it’s so unethical that it encourages the party and its allies to go on the offensive to make the victims, the citizens, feel vaguely guilty about their “privilege.”

    The donor-controlled politician whores in the Republican Party are just as much to blame as the politician rats in the Democrat Party. The Republican Party donors want wages to remain low and housing costs to remain high. That is also what the globalized central bankers want.

    President Trump destroyed Jebby Bush on immigration and it was a beautiful thing to watch. Jebby Bush’s campaign was over before he even announced his candidacy for the presidency. President Trump rightly said that Jebby supported amnesty for illegal alien invaders, and that was enough to sink Jebby Bush.

    Mass immigration — both legal and illegal — will lead to Civil War II in the United States. There is now no other way to stop nation-wrecking mass immigration.

    The imposition of White guilt is just about out of gas as a campaign tactic for the Democrat Party. President Trump will support the Republican plan to reduce legal immigration that will be launched in the US Senate. It will be interesting to see Rubio, Graham, McCain and the Democrats respond to it.

    This is how it’s done. This Tweet is from 2015:

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  33. prole says:
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    Certainly a big reason for our immigration policy was designed primarily to lower wages…but the Democrats have realized it also expands their advantage in elections, thus the Democrats want amnesty and to continue accepting 1.2 million legal immigrants each year.

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  34. @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    I’m not sure what kind of person, Rob, but I met a Chinese lady selling food out of her garage in a nice 2,000 sq. ft home in the exurbs via some on-line deal – she and the Chinese husband (who wasn’t there then) have been here since the early 1990′s, and the lady could hardly communicate. It was reedikaluss.

    There’s no assimilation once immigrants move to areas with even just a few hundred people from the same country. Hey, one could say the same for American expatriates in some sections of Guadalajara, or wherever, or a community in Costa Rica. Is Fred Reed assimilated? He doesn’t write much about it after we commenters tore him a virtual new one when he wrote that one idiotic post about his Mexicanity a few months back (he’s a great writer otherwise though)

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  35. songbird says:

    Not a surprise to me. In the old days, you could be arrested for speaking a foreign languange at the polling stations. Nowadays they have translated ballots. There are even signs hung on the outside of buildings which say “vote here” in languages other than English.

    Of course, you never hear about them pasing out translated Constitutions.

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    A few years ago Boston had FEC poll watchers forced on them for not having enough ballots in Mandarin!
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  36. Thea says:
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    I often disagree with you but you are spot on here and this is an important point. If Johnson hadn’t screwed up Vietnam, 1968 would have gone Dem likely.

    The GOP whores accept donations from global corporations just as much if not more than Dems.

    Dems have become the immigrants party by necessity not design.

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  37. USCIS is essentially a rubber-stamp operation. They want speed, numbers, and no complaints. Denying a case takes much longer than approving one. There is no reward or recognition for doing the job honestly and correctly, only pressure and hassle from management about low ‘productivity’. The vast majority if officers, if not bleeding heart liberals or completely incompetent, have got the message and decided to look after #1. I (almost) cant blame them.

    There are also exemptions from the language requirement for older appmicants and those with a ‘disability’ that prevents them from learning English.

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  38. @jim jones
    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    I stopped going to Chinese restaurants, particularly buffets.

    I always look into the back to size up the personnel and I won’t eat in a restaurant that employs all Mexican cooks. I’ve lived in Mexico and seen what their kitchens look like up close. Filthy mops laden with Pine Sol being dragged across mud smeared floors does little to sharpen my appetite. Since most local restaurants feature hispanic help that leaves me little choice but to eat at home. Better food and less chance of disease.

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  39. Barnard says:
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    It is about replacing groups they previously had to pander to in order to win elections with others who are more easily controlled and manipulated. Also, many of them now believe the rhetoric about whites being the worst thing in the history of the world.

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  40. The Z Blog says: • Website

    Another aspect to this is to end the policy of publishing government documents in multiple languages. If Jubutu cannot read the ballot or figure out how to register to vote, because he is either stupid or cannot read English, that’s a good result. I could be persuaded to make an exception for the courts appointing a translator for non-English speakers, but only on condition that the person is deported at the end of his process, regardless of his status.

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  41. Barnard says:
    @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    To be fair, there were many Eastern European and Italian immigrants in the 19th and early 20th Century who never became fluent in English. They were mostly the older family members and lived in neighborhoods where they wouldn’t have needed to learn it. The same kind of thing happens now, the kids learn English but the parents don’t even try.

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  42. Travis says:
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    Massive immigration was promoted by the GOP to reduce wages and weaken the unions. The 1990 Immigration Act was approved by the Senate. Only 3 GOP senators voted against this bill, which doubled Legal immigration, created the diversity Lottery and the H1b visa program. Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for naturalization which was imposed in the Naturalization Act of 1906 and eliminating the exclusion of homosexuals under the medically classification of “sexual deviant” that was present in the passage of the 1965 Act.

    Interesting to note that Al Gore and Harry Reid were two of 15 democrats who voted against the 1990 Immigration Act. Both California Senators voted against it (Republican Pete Wilson and Democrat Alan Cranston)

    but since then the democrats have realized that massive immigration does create more democrats. This is a reason the democrats will fight against immigration reform which reduces Legal immigration. If 60% of recent immigrants were voting for Republicans, Harry Reid and the Democratic Senate would have passed immigration reform when they had the majority in 2009 to Reduce Legal immigration.

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    Good point, the 1990 was in several ways worse than the 64 Act.

    The legal immigration ramp-up was about the same for both, but the 1990 Act is what got the current wave of African and Muslim immigration started.
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  43. I was often struck by the brazen dishonesty of Obama, as when he would stress that, to receive amnesty, illegal aliens would have to learn English in addition to paying back taxes and a penalty. Of course we knew that all of these requirements were a joke. There was no intention of requiring English proficiency–I’m sure that as long as the applicant stated ‘si’ when asked if he intended to learn English, that would be sufficient. And of course Obama knew that. And it didn’t bother him to lie about it.

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    The Obama 'legacy' will become more apparent with time. Immigration, the Dallas police shootings and so many other themes will live on despite the media memory hole tricks. Someday, someone will disclose the sanitized records about who he really was and what he did or did not do, such as those sealed transcripts.

    To get more of a look into his character, research the term Obamamometer, stemming from his law school days.
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  44. I agree that dems are importing the voters to win elections but I don’t think the “political party figures out it can…” really explains the story.

    It starts with capital vs labor.

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    To what do you attribute history's conquests, ethnic cleansings, genocides?
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  45. @27 year old
    I agree that dems are importing the voters to win elections but I don't think the "political party figures out it can..." really explains the story.

    It starts with capital vs labor.

    To what do you attribute history’s conquests, ethnic cleansings, genocides?

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    A theory of something doesn't have to explain every thing
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  46. “…be able to read, write and speak basic English.” That’s pretty funny considering that Detroit is almost 50% functionally illiterate and in Ohio, the cities of Akron, Canton and Cleveland are in turmoil as they realize that hundreds of third graders (750 plus in Cleveland) won’t be promoted to fourth grade because they can’t meet the State’s minimum requirement for reading. Ohio allows school districts to use tests other than their standard reading tests and allows students multiple tries to meet the standard. Apparently the kids can’t pass any of the tests, but in a few years they can vote. Democrats, We Understand You, Even if No One Else Can, that slogan and a nice logo should adorn their DNC podiums. Nome sane?

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    Come now. You don't need to be literate to vote.

    You just push the button on your smartphone that has Mark Zuckerberg's face on it.
    , @International Jew
    A literacy requirement applied to immigrants and likewise to the native-born would make a lot of sense. Unfortunately, because of the inevitable "disparate impact", this is just one more "nice thing we can't have".

    And it shouldn't be just basic literacy either. What are elections for, anyway? A lot of Dems think elections should be shams that produce a seeming "mandate" for a small political class to run things, undisturbed, as it sees fit. But if, instead, elections are to produce good public policy, then it makes no sense to give weight to ignorant and muddle-headed views. Same way, at home, you don't consult your 8-year-old about whether to fix your furnace or buy a new one.

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  47. @Arclight
    It should - but doesn't - give anyone pause that a major political party is so uncommitted to the people that already live here that they will import voters simply to hold onto power, and despite all the rhetoric about diversity the leaders will remain almost thoroughly white. The GOP deserves its share of blame as they have looked the other way on this issue for 2 decades at the behest of their Chamber of Commerce donors. In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else.

    So far Trump looks like a train wreck to me, but if he can hit the pause button on immigration for 4-8 years and keep the establishment out of power at the same time, it's worth it provided we don't end up doubling down on Afghanistan or involved in a war somewhere else.

    On some important campaign promises, e.g., extricating the USA from the foreign war quagmires that Clinton/Bush/Obama have gotten us into and improving relations with Russia and China, Trump’s record is weak and vacillating at best. But quietly, and on less prominent fronts, he’s been fulfilling campaign promises and successfully chipping away at disastrous Obama policies. He’s even appointed one authentic conservative judge to the Supreme Court. And he’s done all this in the face of relentless opposition across the entire establishment including many of the snakes in what’s supposed to be his party.

    Part of that establishment’s strategy, implemented by their lackeys in the fake news MSM, is to harp endlessly on Trump’s unfulfilled campaign promises while burying and otherwise ignoring the President’s many small and quiet successes. If you doubt this, do a realistic comparison of what our current President has achieved during his first six months in office compared with the lackluster record — I’m being kind here! — of our first affirmative action President during the same time frame of his Presidency.
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  48. Whiskey says: • Website

    Its far deeper than that. There has been a War Among Whites since at least Cromwell’s time; and arguably all the way back to Caesar vs. the Gauls. GoodWhites HATE HATE HATE us BadWhites, always have, always will.

    White people *LACK* enough nationalism and race-orientation to compete against Asians, Africans, and Latin American Mestizos. Nor are the leadership of the Western Left Parties destined to be all or even partially White; the next Democratic nominee is almost certainly going to be Black again; Bernie, Hillary! and Elizabeth Fauxcahontas Warren are all elderly, as is Merkel and May and power bottom Macron has figured out more Africans = he’s replaced by an African.

    I don’t see anti immigration lawfare happening. The law is whatever a liberal GoodWhite Judge says it is, it needs no consistency or internal logic, its just feelings against those bad, bad people. Sacred Non-Whites certainly cannot be denied their global patrimony to be above and privileged over evil BadWhites. The law (Judges) are pretty clear on this. As is the Pope, all churches, media, etc.

    Rather, what we need is our own $PLC. One that does harassment that is legal but engendering FEAR, fear in our enemies: political party figures (both parties, McCain and San Fran Nan alike); the media; law; and so on. FEAR and FEAR ALONE is the way to go; it is far, far better to be feared than loved.

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    FEAR and FEAR ALONE is the way to go; it is far, far better to be feared than loved.

    Or in the words of Emperor Tiberius "oderint dum metuant." Although I have come to recognize the wisdom of this dictum, the realization saddens me. I wish the cultural left would form its own country and leave decent people alone. Live and let live. Yet, they never practice what used to be their motto; they do the opposite and try by all means to make sure that others suffer the consequences of their crazy and suicidal worldview. Unfortunately there is no way to reason with them. At the very least they need to know that we are willing to defend ourselves.
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  49. My friend’s parents have been here almost 50 years and can’t speak English at all. They are citizens.

    Neither can her father’s brothers and sisters, who have been here almost as long. Any guesses as to their ethnicity?

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    Scottish?
    , @AndrewR
    Dutch?
    , @Travis
    The parents of my college girlfriend immigrated from Poland in 1965 when he was 25...in 1995 the Father still was unable to speak English. via chain immigration he was able to et his parents green cards in the 80s.
    , @Olorin
    Québécois?

    ;D

    , @Kylie
    WTF--??

    My maternal grandmother, born in 1890 in Vienna with only the equivalent of a sixth grade education, came to America as a young woman. She learned to speak, read and write English. She had a heavy Viennese accent but was easily understandable.

    I loved her dearly but don't kid myself that she was very bright. Just a hard-working naturalized citizen determined to assimilate to what she perceived as American ways.

    Nor was she exceptional. I know many others like her to whom I'm not related.

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  50. Ivy says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    I was often struck by the brazen dishonesty of Obama, as when he would stress that, to receive amnesty, illegal aliens would have to learn English in addition to paying back taxes and a penalty. Of course we knew that all of these requirements were a joke. There was no intention of requiring English proficiency--I'm sure that as long as the applicant stated 'si' when asked if he intended to learn English, that would be sufficient. And of course Obama knew that. And it didn't bother him to lie about it.

    The Obama ‘legacy’ will become more apparent with time. Immigration, the Dallas police shootings and so many other themes will live on despite the media memory hole tricks. Someday, someone will disclose the sanitized records about who he really was and what he did or did not do, such as those sealed transcripts.

    To get more of a look into his character, research the term Obamamometer, stemming from his law school days.

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    Ivy, the Dallas police assassinations should rise to the level of an Emmit Till memory.
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  51. @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    Rob, it works because they live in tight knit communities and there is no requirement for them to speak English. Probably against the law to say you must speak English to be hired. In Buffalo, my cousin teaches ELS students, who only speak Spanish at home. They stay in these programs for two years and then if no progress they are taught solely in Spanish. How many excellent math and science teachers do you think they have that are fluent in Spanish. When I in worked in Columbia I took the time to learn enough Spanish so I could ask directions and order a meal. It wasn’t that hard and I was only there for a month at a time. Of course now most signage and instructions are in multiple languages so why bother.

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  52. @Ivy
    The Obama 'legacy' will become more apparent with time. Immigration, the Dallas police shootings and so many other themes will live on despite the media memory hole tricks. Someday, someone will disclose the sanitized records about who he really was and what he did or did not do, such as those sealed transcripts.

    To get more of a look into his character, research the term Obamamometer, stemming from his law school days.

    Ivy, the Dallas police assassinations should rise to the level of an Emmit Till memory.

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  53. Many of these non-English speakers are not just voting in US elections but in foreign elections as well since we now permit runaway “dual citizenship” anymore, mostly Mexican. It is not just for “Israeli-Americans” anymore goy. I suspect it is common among most Latinos, Turks, Africans, Iranians, Iraqis ….

    Regardless of one’s command of the English language, how about at least not allowing dual voting.

    How about immediately removing from office any elected official or judge holding dual citizenship, and if possible, prosecuting those who voted in foreign elections?

    This is why increasingly democracy is becoming a globalist shame.

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  54. Mike1 says:

    The person who tested me on my English ability and US history knowledge could barely speak English. That may be part of the problem.

    To call it a “test” is also a wild exaggeration. What happens is that you talk to someone for a couple of minutes. There didn’t seem any real possibility of failure.

    Amusingly, early in the process I experienced what would have come across as extremely racist if I wasn’t white. A guy who was checking my documents muttered “I can’t believe you people think you can just come to this country and start a business”. I’m not sure who “you people” was meant to be because he was one of the few white people working for immigration in LA.

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  55. eah says:

    As I’ve mentioned, take a trip abroad and when you return look around at the people in the line for ‘US Citizens…’ when going thru immigration control — US citizenship has been disgustingly cheapened to the point it has little cachet anymore, nor is it good value, certainly if you are a productive working person (Social Security: Many pay more in taxes than they’ll get back; Puerto Ricans on disability would probably disagree) — it just means you’re a tax mule for Uncle Sam.

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    Yep. At SFO, the people in the non-citizens line are the ones who look like my idea of an American.

    But to be fair, the US citizens who travel abroad the most are going to be the most recently arrived ones. For a sixth-generation American, a trip abroad (ie beyond Canada or Mexico) is maybe a once in a lifetime event.
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  56. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    My friend's parents have been here almost 50 years and can't speak English at all. They are citizens.

    Neither can her father's brothers and sisters, who have been here almost as long. Any guesses as to their ethnicity?

    Scottish?

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  57. @jim jones
    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    Well, in flyover country where I live, all of the ethnic Chinese who work directly with customers speak it at least passingly – most of them pretty well, actually. Can’t speak for the Guatemalans and Salvadorans in the kitchen, though.

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  58. J1234 says:

    Our local school board wants (and, unfortunately, will get) more money, in part because half of the growth in our district’s student population is made up of kids who can’t speak English. And immigrants aren’t costing us anything, they say.

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    Do they brag about how many different native languages are spoken by the students and what a great thing that is for the community? The school district where I live considers it something to celebrate instead of a major challenge for the teachers that costs money and takes time away from teaching other topics.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    A lot of school funding is tied to the number of ESL students and the number of students receiving free lunches.
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  59. AndrewR says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    My friend's parents have been here almost 50 years and can't speak English at all. They are citizens.

    Neither can her father's brothers and sisters, who have been here almost as long. Any guesses as to their ethnicity?

    Dutch?

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  60. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Arclight
    It should - but doesn't - give anyone pause that a major political party is so uncommitted to the people that already live here that they will import voters simply to hold onto power, and despite all the rhetoric about diversity the leaders will remain almost thoroughly white. The GOP deserves its share of blame as they have looked the other way on this issue for 2 decades at the behest of their Chamber of Commerce donors. In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else.

    So far Trump looks like a train wreck to me, but if he can hit the pause button on immigration for 4-8 years and keep the establishment out of power at the same time, it's worth it provided we don't end up doubling down on Afghanistan or involved in a war somewhere else.

    Why did it take the public over fifty years to wake up to the fact that they were being hosed? The Hart-Cellar Act was passed in 1965. Where were the critics THEN? Why no enforcement THEN? Enter Trump–fifty years later and possibly twenty-five years too late. Whether he will be able to to anything about it now is open to question. Yeah, ok, put up a wall! “Tighten up” on immigration! That horse already left the barn during a time in which, with the exception of Pat Buchanan, Peter Brimelow and a few “right wing” talk-radio hosts, not a finger was lifted.

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    Why did it take the public over fifty years to wake up to the fact that they were being hosed?
     
    You're wrong; most of the public still doesn't begin to appreciate the scale of this disaster.
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  61. Travis says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    My friend's parents have been here almost 50 years and can't speak English at all. They are citizens.

    Neither can her father's brothers and sisters, who have been here almost as long. Any guesses as to their ethnicity?

    The parents of my college girlfriend immigrated from Poland in 1965 when he was 25…in 1995 the Father still was unable to speak English. via chain immigration he was able to et his parents green cards in the 80s.

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  62. boxty says:

    I know somebody that processes passport applications for new citizens that just finished their swearing in ceremony. It’s a joint program between the city and the Feds. The trainer from the State Department barely spoke English. She was reading off of a power point presentation and could barely read what was on the screen. So you don’t have to even speak English to get a job at the State Department either.

    This city worker and her coworkers always say they don’t understand how most of the new citizens applying for passports could have passed their citizenship tests when they barely speak English. They also laugh about how Arab men think they can just cut to the front of the passport application line and how irritated the men get when they are told to go to the back of the line.

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  63. Luke Lea says:

    Also don’t become a public charge or face deportation. All we have to do is enforce the law. May need a biometric national ID however to do it.

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  64. boxty says:
    @Arclight
    It should - but doesn't - give anyone pause that a major political party is so uncommitted to the people that already live here that they will import voters simply to hold onto power, and despite all the rhetoric about diversity the leaders will remain almost thoroughly white. The GOP deserves its share of blame as they have looked the other way on this issue for 2 decades at the behest of their Chamber of Commerce donors. In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else.

    So far Trump looks like a train wreck to me, but if he can hit the pause button on immigration for 4-8 years and keep the establishment out of power at the same time, it's worth it provided we don't end up doubling down on Afghanistan or involved in a war somewhere else.

    If Trump’s presidency looks like a train wreck to you, then it’s because of the feckless GOP in Congress. Trump is getting stuff done within his powers as President. Congress? Not so much. Or were you hoping that Trump would literally be Hitler?

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  65. Olorin says:
    @jim jones
    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    I never go to restaurants where ANY of the staff show signs of (or have been discussed by friends as) being unable to speak English.

    How the hell would they be acquainted with, e.g., this:

    http://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/Pubs/332-033.pdf

    http://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Food/FoodWorkerandIndustry/FoodSafetyRules

    Which itself is the lowest possible bar agreed upon by greedy restaurant owners and bickering politicians (both of them classes of scientific ignoramuses as evidenced by their choice of occupation).

    No thankee. No interest whatever in eating anything compiled by people who have to be reminded to poo in the loo, or not boil dogs, cats, and pigs alive.

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  66. Olorin says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    "...be able to read, write and speak basic English." That's pretty funny considering that Detroit is almost 50% functionally illiterate and in Ohio, the cities of Akron, Canton and Cleveland are in turmoil as they realize that hundreds of third graders (750 plus in Cleveland) won't be promoted to fourth grade because they can't meet the State's minimum requirement for reading. Ohio allows school districts to use tests other than their standard reading tests and allows students multiple tries to meet the standard. Apparently the kids can't pass any of the tests, but in a few years they can vote. Democrats, We Understand You, Even if No One Else Can, that slogan and a nice logo should adorn their DNC podiums. Nome sane?

    Come now. You don’t need to be literate to vote.

    You just push the button on your smartphone that has Mark Zuckerberg’s face on it.

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    Olorin, please don't tell the other guys, but I still have a flip phone...sad, huh?
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  67. Olorin says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    My friend's parents have been here almost 50 years and can't speak English at all. They are citizens.

    Neither can her father's brothers and sisters, who have been here almost as long. Any guesses as to their ethnicity?

    Québécois?

    ;D

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    I think Quebecois were very likely to speak at least some English before coming to the US, at least until lately; I have a dog in the fight because my great grandfather was a Quebecois.
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  68. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    This is what it is all about, in my opinion:

    The charge is that the Vatican strongly desires to see a Catholic majority in America so that the Vatican can exercise much greater, if not complete, control over the American democratic process, in the same way that the Vatican controlled the government of Italy for decades through the Christian Democratic Party. Many authors have advanced this idea. I have read this charge time and again over the past decade or so, and, until recently, I thought the idea ridiculous. But after observing the Church’s bold and thinly veiled actions in the Reagan Administration, I now believe these authors are probably describing reality. If 150 million Latin Americans legally and illegally migrate to the United States in the next twenty to thirty years, this apparent goal can be achieved. And, as I discussed at length in chapter two,[6] these numbers are demonstrably not farfetched.

    https://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1623864

    Catholicism’s incredible growth story

    Critics keep announcing the Church’s imminent demise. If only they realised that numbers have doubled since 1970 – and are still rising

    This reality was brought home to me when I visited Denmark, which is historically one of the continent’s least Catholic nations. But go to a small city like Aarhus and watch the floods of people surrounding the small Catholic church, where Masses are offered in languages as diverse as Vietnamese, English, Chaldean and Tagalog (the last being the main tongue of the Philippines). The global Church comes home; or perhaps we should say, the empires strike back.

    When we consider those African statistics alone, any suggestion of the Catholic Church “dying” or even stagnating is so wildly inaccurate as to be comical.

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/september-9th-2016/catholicisms-incredible-growth-story/

    https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1870992

    California and the End of White America
    The unprecedented racial transformation of California and its political consequences.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

    And it was not just moderate Republicans like Wilson who held pro-immigrant views; so, too, contrary to stereotype, did many prominent conservatives. The entrepreneurship and economic dynamism of most immigrants, the strong family values and Catholic faith of Latinos, the fierce anti-Communism of Cuban and Vietnamese refugees–these did not go unnoticed during the Reagan era. In 1984, during the heated debate over the Simpson-Mazzoli Immigration Act, none other than right-winger Patrick J. Buchanan had denounced the proposed legislation as mean-spirited toward hard-working illegal immigrants,
    [...]
    If the Right could find little fault with immigrants during this period, liberals and the Left often showed greater hostility. Environmentalists pushing for slow-growth economic measures often locked horns with Latino (and black) elected officials from working-class districts where the paramount issue was jobs rather than “quality of life”;

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1843877

    The “Refugees Welcome” and “open borders” agenda is driven by globalist capitalists (Davos Men), who are aided and abetted by the Catholic Church, etc., not by ordinary women.

    The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. Their alliance with the Church has put in place a system that pays no heed to genetic inheritance. When the Catholic Church is in power in Latin America, whether the stronger ecclesiastical current of time is on the Right or Left, the arc of history will always lead to a country (even one as white as Argentina) that looks like Brazil or the Dominican Republic, with all of the politico-economic problems that entails.

    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/tomster-on-marriage/#comment-1839275

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    But American Catholics have long been frustratingly difficult for the Vatican to control. Taking devout Mexican peasants and turning them into secular American consumers won't really offer the Vatican much more influence here.

    The trajectory for Irish, Polish & Italian Catholics arriving here was towards less observance. Much like American Jews.

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  69. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @jim jones
    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    This article is talking about people who have been minted as new US citizens. The majority of servers in Chinese restaurants are not only non US citizens, they probably aren’t even in this nation legally.

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    69 anonymous > The majority of servers in Chinese restaurants are not only non US citizens, they probably aren’t even in this nation legally.


    The ==servers== are carefully chosen to be able to put customers at ease.

    Restaurants cannot afford to present a hassle-acious customer-facing experience. There is to much competition right in the same fucking strip mall

    Talk shit all you want about asian restaurants in the USA.... they are the one category which hasn't been completely submerged by national franchising. Ok, MAYBE mexican as well.

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  70. KM32 says:

    “When I in worked in Columbia I took the time to learn enough Spanish so I could ask directions and order a meal.”

    Which is a million miles from actually being able to speak Spanish.

    The fact is, most adults can’t learn a language without heroic efforts. Plenty of people simply can’t reproduce accents in any sort of passable way, for a start, and to be able to have a good conversation requires thousands of words of vocabulary and intense study of grammar for all but a few language savants. I’m conversational in one language and fluent in another, and moving to conversational takes a lot of effort, and hundreds of hours of work to achieve fluency.
    And why should the average person do so when there’s no pressure either at work, home, or from society to do so? This holds here, and it holds in Gringo enclaves in Latin America, where almost no retired Americans are fluent. I’ve met dozens of expats, and have yet to meet a person retired in Latin America who can fluently speak Spanish who wasn’t already fluent when they retired there. A good half make no effort whatsoever.

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    sure, but why should we allow them to become citizens?
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  71. WR says:
    @Whiskey
    Its far deeper than that. There has been a War Among Whites since at least Cromwell's time; and arguably all the way back to Caesar vs. the Gauls. GoodWhites HATE HATE HATE us BadWhites, always have, always will.

    White people *LACK* enough nationalism and race-orientation to compete against Asians, Africans, and Latin American Mestizos. Nor are the leadership of the Western Left Parties destined to be all or even partially White; the next Democratic nominee is almost certainly going to be Black again; Bernie, Hillary! and Elizabeth Fauxcahontas Warren are all elderly, as is Merkel and May and power bottom Macron has figured out more Africans = he's replaced by an African.

    I don't see anti immigration lawfare happening. The law is whatever a liberal GoodWhite Judge says it is, it needs no consistency or internal logic, its just feelings against those bad, bad people. Sacred Non-Whites certainly cannot be denied their global patrimony to be above and privileged over evil BadWhites. The law (Judges) are pretty clear on this. As is the Pope, all churches, media, etc.

    Rather, what we need is our own $PLC. One that does harassment that is legal but engendering FEAR, fear in our enemies: political party figures (both parties, McCain and San Fran Nan alike); the media; law; and so on. FEAR and FEAR ALONE is the way to go; it is far, far better to be feared than loved.

    FEAR and FEAR ALONE is the way to go; it is far, far better to be feared than loved.

    Or in the words of Emperor Tiberius “oderint dum metuant.” Although I have come to recognize the wisdom of this dictum, the realization saddens me. I wish the cultural left would form its own country and leave decent people alone. Live and let live. Yet, they never practice what used to be their motto; they do the opposite and try by all means to make sure that others suffer the consequences of their crazy and suicidal worldview. Unfortunately there is no way to reason with them. At the very least they need to know that we are willing to defend ourselves.

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    Tiberius may have repeated them, but those words were first written by Lucius Accius, in Atreus.

    In the event, none of this nonsense will change except violently; political solutions are now impossible.
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  72. KM32 says:

    Latin Americans aren’t particularly nationalist. The professional agitators in this country (who are white, Ramos-style Latinos, mostly) get off on it, but actual Latinos don’t care, and less so when you get south of the border. There is a lot of racism, but nobody would think anything of marrying someone who is less dark, less native or black than they are. People are happy to marry up in status, no matter the race or nationality.

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  73. Barnard says:
    @J1234
    Our local school board wants (and, unfortunately, will get) more money, in part because half of the growth in our district's student population is made up of kids who can't speak English. And immigrants aren't costing us anything, they say.

    Do they brag about how many different native languages are spoken by the students and what a great thing that is for the community? The school district where I live considers it something to celebrate instead of a major challenge for the teachers that costs money and takes time away from teaching other topics.

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    Barnard, Met my daughter's neighbor who teaches either in Sweet Home school district or Depew, both nearby. Both districts are first ring suburbs of Buffalo. She has refugees and immigrants who speak 8 different languages but not English. I asked how she coped. She said if she has more than one student who speaks the same foreign language she sits them next to each other, otherwise she just teaches to her class. Sad, but worse in Buffalo.
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  74. Kylie says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    My friend's parents have been here almost 50 years and can't speak English at all. They are citizens.

    Neither can her father's brothers and sisters, who have been here almost as long. Any guesses as to their ethnicity?

    WTF–??

    My maternal grandmother, born in 1890 in Vienna with only the equivalent of a sixth grade education, came to America as a young woman. She learned to speak, read and write English. She had a heavy Viennese accent but was easily understandable.

    I loved her dearly but don’t kid myself that she was very bright. Just a hard-working naturalized citizen determined to assimilate to what she perceived as American ways.

    Nor was she exceptional. I know many others like her to whom I’m not related.

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    Well, on the plus side they never vote, because they don't feel like it's their business.
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  75. Brutusale says:
    @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    This description applies to about 70% of the production employees in just about any manufacturing facility in the country these days.

    The company I’m currently consulting for is 60% Asian (mostly Cambodians, with a generous component of Vietnamese and Chinese in the hand-finishing department) and 25% Hispanic in production. The only English-fluent ones were born here.

    The perfect example is my production liaison, a very nice, well-liked and hardworking Cambodian. He, his mother, his brother and his grandfather were the only family members to escape the Pol Pot nightmare. He spent 2 years in Thailand and then came to the US at age 9. He’s been here for almost 40 years, and his English, while mostly intelligible face-to-face, is hard to parse on the phone. He’s told me that he mostly speaks Khmer at home, and the majority of his reports are Cambodians and he’s responsible to make translations for them. He’s the English language scholar for his department!

    He invited me to his daughter’s high school graduation last month. I met his wife, who came from Cambodia at age 2 and is fluent in both languages; her English is essentially unaccented. Their 2 children both seem like average American kids and are less comfortable speaking Khmer to their elders.

    Liaison and wife are both citizens, proud to be Americans and quite happy to be here. The kids are indistinguishable from their friends I saw at the party, who were mostly white with a smattering of Asians. It seems to me that they track closely with the immigrant/1st generation experience through the years.

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    Brutus, for what it's worth, I think people like your liaison have no desire to return to Cambodia, the land of their nightmares. I think lots of Mexicans would gladly return home if Mexico was more stable and they had a decent nest egg.
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  76. How about a drug test for immigrants? Not only for citizenship, but just to come here to get a work or student visa, green card, refugee.

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  77. @Olorin
    Come now. You don't need to be literate to vote.

    You just push the button on your smartphone that has Mark Zuckerberg's face on it.

    Olorin, please don’t tell the other guys, but I still have a flip phone…sad, huh?

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    I miss my flip phone. It didn't butt-dial people, nor did it refuse to respond to my finger swipes when I try to answer it, as my iPhone often does, especially when my hands are cold.
    , @Olorin
    I do too. It's the one I don't mind falling out of my logging chaps pocket on the tractor and ending up smooshed into the forest duff or lost in slash or a ravine.

    You probably have parallel narrative possibilities. "Yeah, I still have a flip phone. Been kinda sentimentally attached to it since I pulled it out of the belly of this muskie lunker I caught two summers after dropping it outta the boat." Like that.

    FWIW, I'm waiting for the American release of the new Nokia 3310. Cell phone calls in the field aren't the same without the Nokia Chime (aka the national anthem of Finland...which is actually a lick from a 19th century Spanish vals; tango being the national dance of Finland).
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  78. @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    You’re right of course that the Dems were doing just fine all along (like, LBJ winning in a landslide in 1964!)

    But what the “ringers” have made possible is a change in the Dems’ center of gravity, leftward. You could say it’s enabled the crazy lesbians and sociology professors and black militants to take the party away from ethnic whites and their labor unions.

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    The current Democratic party is closer to the center-right than ever. Except for marriage equality, the Democratic party has successfully fought against any movement leftward on any issue. "Crazy lesbians and sociology professors and black militants" have no power in the Democratic party at present, unless they have billionaire friends.

    The notion that excessive immigration is the fault of one party is crazy. 10 straight administrations of both parties have had effectively identical immigration policies.

    Even if it were true, and it isn't, that unlimited immigration is the fault of the Dems, what does it say about the Republicans that they can't even be bothered to oppose a policy that hurts them electorally and hurts the country, just so they can pay their nannies and gardeners less money?
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  79. @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    Lot–respect you/your comments a “lot”, very sharp for a younger guy, always worth reading.

    But “not any political goals” is just ridiculous.

    The ‘state party’ in every nation always finds ways to use state power not just to reward its friends but to cement its grip on power. (It’s been like this since civilization first stated and it was “the court” party.) In the democratic West that means, “more voters!”, and it recruits them by creating more and more ‘entanglement’ with and dependence on the state. Directly with employees and welfare (cash, housing, food, medical care), but beyond that with grantees, “activists”, affirmative action hires, beneficiaries of hiring goals, legal infrastructure dealing with regulation, private bureaucracy necessary to react to it, on and on and on.

    The need of the state party for voters to keep it in power is precisely why the welfare state has been a runaway train in the West. The huge increase in both welfare dependency and legal entitlement and entanglement generated by the sexual revolution and feminism–the state taking from men and giving to women, in multiple ways, substituting for the old voluntary and reciprocal institution of marriage–is why the state pushed that so hard and why it was so overwhelmingly successful.

    The state parties in the West–rightly–realized that immigration is the “killer app” of political dominance. The new “citizens”, are highly likely to be welfare and “services” dependent. But even better, the friction and grievance–racism!, “islamophobia!”–generated in multi-ethnic societies provides both a continual management function for the state (you’ll never have any “small government” or “libertarian” paradise in a multi-ethnic society) and a locked in voter base for the state party.

    Seriously, this dynamic shouldn’t even need to be spelled out–especially to Sailer commenters. It’s obvious.

    Yes, there was direct private, “cheap labor” greed involved, especially in ramping this up–Mexican grape pickers for California vineyards, Mirpuris for Manchester mills, Turk “guest workers” for German industry. And there still is private “greed” demand for cheap immigrant labor from various ag, construction, “hospitality” industry companies–at least in the US where cheap labor immigrants still often work. But these low skill immigrants really aren’t important to most of the economy even in the States and they don’t do anything useful in Europe but suck welfare. (And uglify the streets–Paris full of black guys hawking shit.)

    “Greed” is definitely a huge driver, but that “greed” mostly isn’t even private–Joe’s construction or Jane’s restaurant. Rather it is the greed–and “lust”–of the ‘state party’ for perpetual dominance and of all its apparatchiks for their comfy sinecures.

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    I think Ann Sterzinger summarised very well the ideal society of the open borders globalists:

    It’s brilliant: create a ruling caste, a working caste, and a voting caste. The working caste must be kept too small and busy to matter in political life; instead of shorter hours and better pay, they may be granted all the joys of ever-higher productivity and taxes in order to keep their fertility trimmed. Instead of allowing the stupider segments of the voting caste to peter out, or to integrate into the working caste, they should be siloed behind welfare firewalls, safe from struggle, medically cossetted, their only duty to society contained in the voting booth. This will keep the comforting myths of democracy alive whilst keeping the top caste happily in the driver’s seat — or rather, in the back of the limousine; it’s the working class that drives. And their seat is lined with spikes.
     
    One small disagreement I have with your comment is that it sounds a bit pessimistic. We don't have to live like this. For a good portion of the 20th century, America and Western Europe didn't - we had prosperous, homogeneous societies. We could still return to that.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Great AnotherDad! That's one of the best comments on governments's pushing for the immigration invasion I've read on here ever (and I agree with all of your comments on about any issue).

    Just to set the record straight, though not completely sure if you'd agree, this whole thing is not some kind of well-thought-out conspiracy. I don't believe things work that way. However, as you said "The ‘state party’ in every nation always finds ways to use state power not just to reward its friends but to cement its grip on power." It's not via some monthly secret meetings an that sort of thing though. It's more of a natural thing for all government control freaks (oops, redundancy there, sorry) that reach a certain level of power.

    It is very natural for the control freaks in governments to have fear and disdain for any type of people that don't "take kindly" to being bossed around, like to form associations, and, most importantly (and I can't believe I haven't written a post on this) have the means to spend time trying to save their country rather than just enough to get by. Oh, they especially fear groups of people that understand that it's not good to give up your guns. Who are these people, in general? Everyone knows the answer, even the stupid folks in governments.

    That's why it makes them feel much more relaxed to have a docile population that is used to the 3rd world - not only the conditions, but the 3rd world way of thinking. "Yeah, we can riot to get some more stuff from our betters, or to get our betters to give more leniency in their punishments of our bad behavior, but we will never be them. Things will always be this way." That's the kind of thinking of the population that exists in the wet dreams of people running governments.

    Our elites in the US want to be able to run things like the elites in the 3rd world, so they need to bring in that type of population. Yes, welfare has helped create the dependency our elites like in some of the population, but there are these big pockets of white men who really believe in making their own way in this world for themselves and their families. What's to be done with them? "Who will rid us of these horrible independent thinkers? Anyone? ... anyone?... Bueller?"
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  80. peterike says:
    @lamps
    The maitre'd, and the waitresses can speak English. The people who cook and wash dishes might not, but then again, they don't need to for their jobs.

    I know that you were implying that none of them could speak english.

    The maitre’d, and the waitresses can speak English.

    You go to Chinese restaurants with a maitre’d and waitresses? Well ain’t you fancy!

    In the typical Chinese hash takeout dive, yeah it’s the one cash register person speaking quasi-English and none of the cooks in the back (who around here are all Chinese) speak it. Though since many of the Chinese have been here a long time now, increasingly the upfront person is a teen or 20-something — the children who speak very good English.

    Though in Asian sit-down restaurants I do find the wait staff are marginal English speakers. They are far from fluent. I guess on the coasts there’s an endless supply of fresh off-the-boaters so we might have a higher percentage of bad English speakers.

    Agree with someone else on the thread that Chinese illegals are WAY more than is generally reported.

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    80 peterike > none of the cooks in the back (who around here are all Chinese) speak [English]

    I propose you prove that claim with the following test: next time you're there, stick your head into the kitchen and sing out -

    Hey.... which one of you guys dropped this ten dollar bill?


    They are chinese. They learned with their mother's milk that roundeyes are barbarians. They don't feel the need to include you in their smalltalk back aft.

    It is not THEIR homeland which allows itself to be swamped by Afghanis & Somalis. And they know it.
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  81. @Barnard
    Do they brag about how many different native languages are spoken by the students and what a great thing that is for the community? The school district where I live considers it something to celebrate instead of a major challenge for the teachers that costs money and takes time away from teaching other topics.

    Barnard, Met my daughter’s neighbor who teaches either in Sweet Home school district or Depew, both nearby. Both districts are first ring suburbs of Buffalo. She has refugees and immigrants who speak 8 different languages but not English. I asked how she coped. She said if she has more than one student who speaks the same foreign language she sits them next to each other, otherwise she just teaches to her class. Sad, but worse in Buffalo.

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  82. @Brutusale
    This description applies to about 70% of the production employees in just about any manufacturing facility in the country these days.

    The company I'm currently consulting for is 60% Asian (mostly Cambodians, with a generous component of Vietnamese and Chinese in the hand-finishing department) and 25% Hispanic in production. The only English-fluent ones were born here.

    The perfect example is my production liaison, a very nice, well-liked and hardworking Cambodian. He, his mother, his brother and his grandfather were the only family members to escape the Pol Pot nightmare. He spent 2 years in Thailand and then came to the US at age 9. He's been here for almost 40 years, and his English, while mostly intelligible face-to-face, is hard to parse on the phone. He's told me that he mostly speaks Khmer at home, and the majority of his reports are Cambodians and he's responsible to make translations for them. He's the English language scholar for his department!

    He invited me to his daughter's high school graduation last month. I met his wife, who came from Cambodia at age 2 and is fluent in both languages; her English is essentially unaccented. Their 2 children both seem like average American kids and are less comfortable speaking Khmer to their elders.

    Liaison and wife are both citizens, proud to be Americans and quite happy to be here. The kids are indistinguishable from their friends I saw at the party, who were mostly white with a smattering of Asians. It seems to me that they track closely with the immigrant/1st generation experience through the years.

    Brutus, for what it’s worth, I think people like your liaison have no desire to return to Cambodia, the land of their nightmares. I think lots of Mexicans would gladly return home if Mexico was more stable and they had a decent nest egg.

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    By more stable you mean less corrupt? I know no Mexican, US citizen or otherwise, who wants to return to Mexico for any reason other than cheap surgery or to visit relatives. The decent nest egg and stability for Mexicans has been created right here in the US and they know it perfectly well. In fact, this is true for everybody from anywhere south of the border down to the south pole that I've met.
    , @Brutusale
    His wife went back last year for her niece's wedding. He hasn't been back nor does he want to.
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  83. Brutusale says:
    @songbird
    Not a surprise to me. In the old days, you could be arrested for speaking a foreign languange at the polling stations. Nowadays they have translated ballots. There are even signs hung on the outside of buildings which say "vote here" in languages other than English.

    Of course, you never hear about them pasing out translated Constitutions.

    A few years ago Boston had FEC poll watchers forced on them for not having enough ballots in Mandarin!

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    The Chinese are actually one of the more right-leaning (or at least pro-law and order) voting blocs in Boston, if transactional about it. Chinatown was covered in Charlie Baker* signs in 2014, after the local BLM went hard after a Chinese cop who shot a black guy.

    *Our RINO/NeverTrump (but best we can realistically get in this state) governor, elected that year.
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  84. @Achmed E. Newman

    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?
     
    Most of these are illegal aliens, Jim, not just people who cheated through the immigration test. I have the inside scoop on this from a Chinamanperson. There are millions of illegal Chinese, and they are smart enough not to bring attention to themselves.

    BTW, I'm not saying it's hurt the LaRaza Mexicans bringing on attention, YET, but I'm hoping it will soon - something like this suggestion on VDare: Colorado’s “Licenses For Illegals” Program Presents ICE With An Opportunity–Round Up The Illegals Who’ve Applied

    I wish just ONE GUY in government with some guts and smarts would carry something like this out. What he would realize after the fact would be that an event like this would be in the national spotlight, making him a BIG NAME. A lot of these people want to be a BIG NAME - for some that's all they do care about. All we gotta do is get an idea like this into one guy's head - once it becomes a huge story, and he receives accolades from patriotic Americans all over the country, others will follow in his footsteps. Who's gonna be this leader?

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio?

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    Too old, seemingly not too bright, and recently defeated for re-election.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    That'd be fine IJ, but he is getting pretty old to go far in politics. It'd be a great thing for a younger man to do. These politicians, at every level (yeah, sheriffs of high-population counties are politicians) are so ambitious, and you'd think just one of them would get it into his head to show some courage, ignore the name-calling and then the sky's the limit a far as name-recognition from then on.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    There's a new sheriff in town, courtesy one Giorgy Schwartz- bond villain.
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  85. MBlanc46 says:
    @Thea
    "Uncommitted to the people that already live here"

    This should be the mantra of the GOP but unfortunately most of them like the Bushes, Ryan, McCain etc are traitors as well.

    "We are comitted to Americans already here, not the 8 billion who want to come"
    That would win.

    Being for the people who are already here would garner some votes from the people who are already here, but it would not please the donor class who benefit hugely from globalism/mass immigration.

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  86. @Buffalo Joe
    Brutus, for what it's worth, I think people like your liaison have no desire to return to Cambodia, the land of their nightmares. I think lots of Mexicans would gladly return home if Mexico was more stable and they had a decent nest egg.

    By more stable you mean less corrupt? I know no Mexican, US citizen or otherwise, who wants to return to Mexico for any reason other than cheap surgery or to visit relatives. The decent nest egg and stability for Mexicans has been created right here in the US and they know it perfectly well. In fact, this is true for everybody from anywhere south of the border down to the south pole that I’ve met.

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    Still, thank you and I will now call you Sicario, although you are missing an "O" in your pseudo handle.
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  87. @Buffalo Joe
    "...be able to read, write and speak basic English." That's pretty funny considering that Detroit is almost 50% functionally illiterate and in Ohio, the cities of Akron, Canton and Cleveland are in turmoil as they realize that hundreds of third graders (750 plus in Cleveland) won't be promoted to fourth grade because they can't meet the State's minimum requirement for reading. Ohio allows school districts to use tests other than their standard reading tests and allows students multiple tries to meet the standard. Apparently the kids can't pass any of the tests, but in a few years they can vote. Democrats, We Understand You, Even if No One Else Can, that slogan and a nice logo should adorn their DNC podiums. Nome sane?

    A literacy requirement applied to immigrants and likewise to the native-born would make a lot of sense. Unfortunately, because of the inevitable “disparate impact”, this is just one more “nice thing we can’t have”.

    And it shouldn’t be just basic literacy either. What are elections for, anyway? A lot of Dems think elections should be shams that produce a seeming “mandate” for a small political class to run things, undisturbed, as it sees fit. But if, instead, elections are to produce good public policy, then it makes no sense to give weight to ignorant and muddle-headed views. Same way, at home, you don’t consult your 8-year-old about whether to fix your furnace or buy a new one.

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    IJ, Nicely stated. I am guessing that if Detroit is almost 50% functionally illiterate, so it must be in Buffalo, Cleveland, Baltimore, Philly, Newark, Trenton ad nauseum and we know how they vote in city wide elections.
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  88. OFWHAP says:
    @Opinionator

    There are few things more poisonous to democracy and rule of law than a political party figuring out it can win elections by importing foreigners to vote for it. It’s unethical.
     
    What is unethical about it?

    How is it that it poisons democracy?

    It’s similar to POTUS wanting to increase the number of SC Justices and then “packing the Court” with friendly judges. The current citizens also have no say on our immigration policy, so our voices are being drowned out by politicians looking to entrench themselves.

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  89. @eah
    As I've mentioned, take a trip abroad and when you return look around at the people in the line for 'US Citizens...' when going thru immigration control -- US citizenship has been disgustingly cheapened to the point it has little cachet anymore, nor is it good value, certainly if you are a productive working person (Social Security: Many pay more in taxes than they'll get back; Puerto Ricans on disability would probably disagree) -- it just means you're a tax mule for Uncle Sam.

    Yep. At SFO, the people in the non-citizens line are the ones who look like my idea of an American.

    But to be fair, the US citizens who travel abroad the most are going to be the most recently arrived ones. For a sixth-generation American, a trip abroad (ie beyond Canada or Mexico) is maybe a once in a lifetime event.

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  90. @anonymous
    Why did it take the public over fifty years to wake up to the fact that they were being hosed? The Hart-Cellar Act was passed in 1965. Where were the critics THEN? Why no enforcement THEN? Enter Trump--fifty years later and possibly twenty-five years too late. Whether he will be able to to anything about it now is open to question. Yeah, ok, put up a wall! "Tighten up" on immigration! That horse already left the barn during a time in which, with the exception of Pat Buchanan, Peter Brimelow and a few "right wing" talk-radio hosts, not a finger was lifted.

    Why did it take the public over fifty years to wake up to the fact that they were being hosed?

    You’re wrong; most of the public still doesn’t begin to appreciate the scale of this disaster.

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    What would you tell them in order that they are able appreciate it?
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  91. Brutusale says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Brutus, for what it's worth, I think people like your liaison have no desire to return to Cambodia, the land of their nightmares. I think lots of Mexicans would gladly return home if Mexico was more stable and they had a decent nest egg.

    His wife went back last year for her niece’s wedding. He hasn’t been back nor does he want to.

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    91 Brutusale > He hasn’t been back nor does he want to

    I don't think you really know what he privately really thinks.

    To my knowledge, the Cambodia of 2017 is rather safer to be in than the southern California of 2017. And a western social-security annuity puts you in the top 10% of folks

    If he gets widowed, he will go back there to get a 23-year-old second wife. Almost guarantee that.

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  92. @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    Brits, for one, they are universally known for this. I am currently living in Portugal (Madeira), and the British expat community essentially takes pride in the fact that they don’t speak Portuguese.

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  93. eah says:

    Third world migration is the gift that keeps on giving.

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  94. anonn says:
    @International Jew
    You're right of course that the Dems were doing just fine all along (like, LBJ winning in a landslide in 1964!)

    But what the "ringers" have made possible is a change in the Dems' center of gravity, leftward. You could say it's enabled the crazy lesbians and sociology professors and black militants to take the party away from ethnic whites and their labor unions.

    The current Democratic party is closer to the center-right than ever. Except for marriage equality, the Democratic party has successfully fought against any movement leftward on any issue. “Crazy lesbians and sociology professors and black militants” have no power in the Democratic party at present, unless they have billionaire friends.

    The notion that excessive immigration is the fault of one party is crazy. 10 straight administrations of both parties have had effectively identical immigration policies.

    Even if it were true, and it isn’t, that unlimited immigration is the fault of the Dems, what does it say about the Republicans that they can’t even be bothered to oppose a policy that hurts them electorally and hurts the country, just so they can pay their nannies and gardeners less money?

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    ... the Democratic party has successfully fought against any movement leftward on any issue.
     
    Well it depends which state you live in, anonn ...
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    as to how far it is from my current location, as I want to be able to legally obtain whatever drugs you're on! It sounds like a blast!

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  96. @Buffalo Joe
    Olorin, please don't tell the other guys, but I still have a flip phone...sad, huh?

    I miss my flip phone. It didn’t butt-dial people, nor did it refuse to respond to my finger swipes when I try to answer it, as my iPhone often does, especially when my hands are cold.

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    Harry, twice my beloved daughters have gifted me with new I-phones and twice I have returned them, the phones not my girls. My current phone is a metallic orange version of my basic black one. My youngest bought for me on line. I once dropped my original one in a gallon of paint, cleaned it off with mineral spirts...good as new, kind of Charles Bronson good looking.
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  97. @International Jew
    A literacy requirement applied to immigrants and likewise to the native-born would make a lot of sense. Unfortunately, because of the inevitable "disparate impact", this is just one more "nice thing we can't have".

    And it shouldn't be just basic literacy either. What are elections for, anyway? A lot of Dems think elections should be shams that produce a seeming "mandate" for a small political class to run things, undisturbed, as it sees fit. But if, instead, elections are to produce good public policy, then it makes no sense to give weight to ignorant and muddle-headed views. Same way, at home, you don't consult your 8-year-old about whether to fix your furnace or buy a new one.

    IJ, Nicely stated. I am guessing that if Detroit is almost 50% functionally illiterate, so it must be in Buffalo, Cleveland, Baltimore, Philly, Newark, Trenton ad nauseum and we know how they vote in city wide elections.

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  98. @StillCARealist
    By more stable you mean less corrupt? I know no Mexican, US citizen or otherwise, who wants to return to Mexico for any reason other than cheap surgery or to visit relatives. The decent nest egg and stability for Mexicans has been created right here in the US and they know it perfectly well. In fact, this is true for everybody from anywhere south of the border down to the south pole that I've met.

    Still, thank you and I will now call you Sicario, although you are missing an “O” in your pseudo handle.

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    I watched that movie on Amazon Prime, since it was free, and I had to block the images out of my head afterwards. Cheap lives and wanton killing, I wonder how honestly it depicted Mexico.
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  99. @Harry Baldwin
    I miss my flip phone. It didn't butt-dial people, nor did it refuse to respond to my finger swipes when I try to answer it, as my iPhone often does, especially when my hands are cold.

    Harry, twice my beloved daughters have gifted me with new I-phones and twice I have returned them, the phones not my girls. My current phone is a metallic orange version of my basic black one. My youngest bought for me on line. I once dropped my original one in a gallon of paint, cleaned it off with mineral spirts…good as new, kind of Charles Bronson good looking.

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    ...kind of Charles Bronson good looking
     
    Just like you, eh?
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  100. Thea says:
    @FKA Max
    This is what it is all about, in my opinion:

    The charge is that the Vatican strongly desires to see a Catholic majority in America so that the Vatican can exercise much greater, if not complete, control over the American democratic process, in the same way that the Vatican controlled the government of Italy for decades through the Christian Democratic Party. Many authors have advanced this idea. I have read this charge time and again over the past decade or so, and, until recently, I thought the idea ridiculous. But after observing the Church’s bold and thinly veiled actions in the Reagan Administration, I now believe these authors are probably describing reality. If 150 million Latin Americans legally and illegally migrate to the United States in the next twenty to thirty years, this apparent goal can be achieved. And, as I discussed at length in chapter two,[6] these numbers are demonstrably not farfetched.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1623864

    Catholicism’s incredible growth story

    Critics keep announcing the Church’s imminent demise. If only they realised that numbers have doubled since 1970 – and are still rising

    This reality was brought home to me when I visited Denmark, which is historically one of the continent’s least Catholic nations. But go to a small city like Aarhus and watch the floods of people surrounding the small Catholic church, where Masses are offered in languages as diverse as Vietnamese, English, Chaldean and Tagalog (the last being the main tongue of the Philippines). The global Church comes home; or perhaps we should say, the empires strike back.

    When we consider those African statistics alone, any suggestion of the Catholic Church “dying” or even stagnating is so wildly inaccurate as to be comical.


    – http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/september-9th-2016/catholicisms-incredible-growth-story/
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1870992

    California and the End of White America
    The unprecedented racial transformation of California and its political consequences.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

    And it was not just moderate Republicans like Wilson who held pro-immigrant views; so, too, contrary to stereotype, did many prominent conservatives. The entrepreneurship and economic dynamism of most immigrants, the strong family values and Catholic faith of Latinos, the fierce anti-Communism of Cuban and Vietnamese refugees–these did not go unnoticed during the Reagan era. In 1984, during the heated debate over the Simpson-Mazzoli Immigration Act, none other than right-winger Patrick J. Buchanan had denounced the proposed legislation as mean-spirited toward hard-working illegal immigrants,
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    If the Right could find little fault with immigrants during this period, liberals and the Left often showed greater hostility. Environmentalists pushing for slow-growth economic measures often locked horns with Latino (and black) elected officials from working-class districts where the paramount issue was jobs rather than “quality of life”;
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1843877

    The “Refugees Welcome” and “open borders” agenda is driven by globalist capitalists (Davos Men), who are aided and abetted by the Catholic Church, etc., not by ordinary women.

    The “Latino” Oligarchy, as is often the case with Mercantile elites, is short-sighted and profit oriented. Their alliance with the Church has put in place a system that pays no heed to genetic inheritance. When the Catholic Church is in power in Latin America, whether the stronger ecclesiastical current of time is on the Right or Left, the arc of history will always lead to a country (even one as white as Argentina) that looks like Brazil or the Dominican Republic, with all of the politico-economic problems that entails.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/jthompson/tomster-on-marriage/#comment-1839275

    But American Catholics have long been frustratingly difficult for the Vatican to control. Taking devout Mexican peasants and turning them into secular American consumers won’t really offer the Vatican much more influence here.

    The trajectory for Irish, Polish & Italian Catholics arriving here was towards less observance. Much like American Jews.

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    As long as American Catholics keep donating to the Church and its charities, keep sending their children to Catholic schools/universities, keep going to Catholic hospitals, and keep putting the Church as beneficiary of their charitable remainder trusts, etc. I don't think the RCC is too terribly concerned about how observant or not American Catholics are. The less observant, rich American Catholics might in fact give more generously to the Church due to feelings of guilt for not being observant/devout enough, or to get better heavenly real estate, etc.

    The Church has never truly been a spiritual entity, but mainly an earthly power, in my opinion. It is the oldest and biggest globalized, tax-exempt corporation/organization on the planet. Just as Israel's prosperity and power would be greatly diminished without the support of rich American Jews, so would the RCC's without the resources of rich American Catholics. The more American Catholics there are the more political and military power and financial resources the Vatican will have/gain.


    The United States of America is the Vatican’s golden goose:

    Earthly concerns
    The Catholic church is as big as any company in America. Bankruptcy cases have shed some light on its finances and their mismanagement

    http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

    The American church may account for as much as 60% of the global institution’s wealth. Little surprise, then, that it is the biggest contributor to head office (ahead of Germany, Italy and France). Everything from renovations to St Peter’s Basilica in Rome to the Pontifical Gregorian University, the church’s version of West Point, is largely paid for with American money.

    Where that money comes from is hard to say (the church does not release numbers on this either). Some of it is from the offerings of the faithful. Anecdotal evidence suggests that America’s Catholics give about $10 per week on average. Assuming that one-third attend church regularly, that would put the annual offertory income at around $13 billion. More comes from elite groups of large donors such as the Papal Foundation, based in Pennsylvania, whose 138 members pledge to donate at least $1m annually, and Legatus, a group of more than 2,000 Catholic business leaders that was founded by Tom Monaghan of Domino’s Pizza.
     

    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1869494

    The Church has an excellent claim to have invented globalisation, and that goes far towards explaining just why its numbers are actually booming. Throughout history there had been so many so-called “world empires” which in reality were mainly confined to Eurasia. Only in the 16th century did the Spanish and Portuguese empires truly span the globe. For me, true globalisation began in 1578, when the Catholic Church established its diocese at Manila, in the Philippines – as a suffragan see of Mexico City, on the other side of the immense Pacific Ocean.
     
    - http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/september-9th-2016/catholicisms-incredible-growth-story/
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  101. TWS says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    If this standard had been enforced from the get-go, we would not have people like the descendants of the Drumpfs and Kushners lording it over us now.

    It would not be a bad idea to deport anyone who is not fluent in English and literate.

    Unfortunately that would mean placing a large percentage of native born US citizens and native Americans in gulags pending removal as even high school diplomas and college degrees provide no warranty of literacy. I suppose it is doable, but it will need some work.

    Perhaps the President can consult with the Russians as they have some experience in this area of human resources management, and come up with a final solution to our personnel problems.

    You are aware that laws applying to immigrants relating to naturalization do not apply to natural born citizens?

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  102. Lot says:
    @Cato

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.
     
    The illegal immigration of low-skill Latinos has most harmed the bottom of the US labor force, not the middle. Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration--cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.

    Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration–cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.

    No, they might get a bit of cheaper labor, but this is nothing compared to the cost in the form of inferior schools, higher taxes, crowded hospitals, uninsured drunk drivers, less street parking, and a million ways little and big that low-skill immigration degrades the quality of life.

    I’ve been to 95% white places that have very high wages for unskilled labor: Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Luxembourg. People do fine without cheap labor.

    In my hometown in the 1990′s, with virtually no immigrants, I had a job when I was 16 that paid, adjusted for inflation, $13 an hour. And plenty of 12-15 year old boys cut grass and shoveled snow for much more than minimum wage while their sisters babysat. All work done by immigrants now while teenagers get fat playing playing video games and social media.

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    This is not a disagreement of the gist of your post except in defense of Cato's point wrt one phrase: "upper middle class". Many of the bad effects on society that you mentioned don't affect these types. They've got their good doctors, clinics, (don't know about their ER's), they live where the schools aren't infested, so are not inferior, they earn enough to where the taxes and high insurance are just chump change, or at least not that significant. They don't care about the lost teenage jobs, as their kids are too elite for such work, and they don't want them working among Mexicans .. wait??

    I don't think they get off scot-free on the drunk-driving Mexicans, though. There's some chance they or their kids may get slammed by a Mexican gardening crew leaving the neighborhood in the evening, or morning (yes, "or morning") after having one too many beers cases of beer.

    The upper-middle classes are ignorant of the problem and think everyone else is just too xenophobic or they just don't care about you. It's the middle and lower-middle but working, classes that pay the big price on this in the short run. In the long run everybody who doesn't have a Global Challenger fueled up and a bug-out location in S. America will pay.
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  103. Lot says:
    @Travis
    Massive immigration was promoted by the GOP to reduce wages and weaken the unions. The 1990 Immigration Act was approved by the Senate. Only 3 GOP senators voted against this bill, which doubled Legal immigration, created the diversity Lottery and the H1b visa program. Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for naturalization which was imposed in the Naturalization Act of 1906 and eliminating the exclusion of homosexuals under the medically classification of "sexual deviant" that was present in the passage of the 1965 Act.

    Interesting to note that Al Gore and Harry Reid were two of 15 democrats who voted against the 1990 Immigration Act. Both California Senators voted against it (Republican Pete Wilson and Democrat Alan Cranston)

    but since then the democrats have realized that massive immigration does create more democrats. This is a reason the democrats will fight against immigration reform which reduces Legal immigration. If 60% of recent immigrants were voting for Republicans, Harry Reid and the Democratic Senate would have passed immigration reform when they had the majority in 2009 to Reduce Legal immigration.

    Good point, the 1990 was in several ways worse than the 64 Act.

    The legal immigration ramp-up was about the same for both, but the 1990 Act is what got the current wave of African and Muslim immigration started.

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  104. Lot says:
    @bomag

    brought by states as the primary plaintiffs.
     
    What about counties, cities, and various boards of control? (School boards)

    The challenge to DAPA involved the states focusing on things like the cost of issuing illegals driver licenses. There is nothing stopping a county from doing this.

    A county challenging the illegal naturalization of people who lack of English skills might survive dismissal, so not a bad idea.

    In fact, now is a really good time for conservative cities and states to sue the federal government and work out “settlements” with the Trump DOJ that advances our shared causes. If Trump just goes and does X, he can be sued in Hawaii/Seattle/9th Circuit and the liberal judge can stop him. But if a conservative state AG sues Trump/DHS in front of a friendly federal judge in Texas and they settle for X, the government is bound to do X and it is the conservative Texas federal judge who supervises the settlement and decides if it is OK.

    This isn’t my clever idea, liberal lawyers have been doing this for a long time.

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    In fact, now is a really good time for conservative cities and states to sue the federal government and work out “settlements” with the Trump DOJ that advances our shared causes.
     
    I love this idea! But I suspect that even though conservative cities and states have the numbers they don't have the presence of mind to do so.

    Nonetheless, this is a great idea. Kudos to you Lot.
    , @Boethiuss

    In fact, now is a really good time for conservative cities and states to sue the federal government and work out “settlements” with the Trump DOJ that advances our shared causes. If Trump just goes and does X, he can be sued in Hawaii/Seattle/9th Circuit and the liberal judge can stop him. But if a conservative state AG sues Trump/DHS in front of a friendly federal judge in Texas and they settle for X, the government is bound to do X and it is the conservative Texas federal judge who supervises the settlement and decides if it is OK.
     
    This is a good idea and if Mitch McConnell or Jeff Sessions were President, we might be making progress on this. Unfortunately for us, the President is Donald Trump, and this is really heavy lifting.

    Trump hasn't staffed the DOJ, or any of the federal agencies really, with ideologically friendly administrators. He doesn't know any, and the few that he does know he treats like shit so they stay arm's length away.

    We don't have enough lawyers in the DOJ to pull this off.
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  105. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
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    I think that the writ would be mandamus, which a court issues to compel an official to perform a (generally ministerial) duty. Courts are generally reluctant to grant such writs and the present judiciary is so enamored with immigration that finding a judge willing to do so would be difficult. An individual might also have difficulty obtaining standing, which would require that the person seeking the writ would suffer some kind of individual loss on the basis of what the administrative official plans to do. The "standing" of the plantiffs in the actions brought to enjoin the Trump visa issuance moratorium was pretty flimsy, but sufficient for a court hostile to the Trump order in the first place.

    It strikes me that if citizenship were granted on the basis of fraudulent representations of English competency, that the citizenship would be subject to revocation once the fraud is proved. Recently naturalized citizens could be required to report for English competency testing--people failing the test would have their citizenship revoked. A person with revoked citizenship could then be deported to the country of origin--they're now just illegal aliens. Any person who originally certified English-language competence would face criminal fraud charges. An aggressive program might lead to self-deportation or even return to the original homeland.
    Precede the whole thing with a three month period of voluntary, free-of-charge renunciation of citizenship, as long as the person renouncing it leaves within the three month period.

    Here's a good project for Jeff Sessions.

    Good ideas.

    Isn’t there also an old law on the books that immigrants shouldn’t be public charges?

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  106. @Diversity Heretic
    Easily possible if you live in an enclave where you almost never hear or have to use English. I also wonder how many of the people who are illiterate in English are also illiterate in their native spoken language (probably Spanish). I've read that lots of the "Syrian" refugees are illiterate in Arabic--the prospects that they'll become literate in an Indo-European language are slim and none.

    And Steve is right--importing foreigners and improperly naturalizing them because they'll vote for your party's candidates is a complete and reprehensible perversion of democracy.

    Pretty sad situation.

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  107. @Cato

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.
     
    The illegal immigration of low-skill Latinos has most harmed the bottom of the US labor force, not the middle. Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration--cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.

    The illegal immigration of low-skill Latinos has most harmed the bottom of the US labor force, not the middle. Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration–cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.

    It may have most harmed the lower class, but it has harmed the middle as well, and in fact changed jobs like construction that used to be middle class and turned them into lower-class jobs, where you not only get paid crap but have no power or rights. In 1980 many construction workers could put their kids through college – try that now!

    Illegal immigration has a political purpose as well as an economic one: to devalue citizenship, which is a middle class value.

    The Democrats destroyed the middle class’s values, and the Republicans destroyed its finances. Trump’s unpardonable sin is merely having noticed this.

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  108. @lamps
    The maitre'd, and the waitresses can speak English. The people who cook and wash dishes might not, but then again, they don't need to for their jobs.

    I know that you were implying that none of them could speak english.

    Here in Los Angeles we often encounter waiters / waitresses who speak and understand very little English.

    As for cooks and dishwasher “not needing English for their jobs”, they should “need English” to live in our damn country in the first place.

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  109. @Arclight
    It should - but doesn't - give anyone pause that a major political party is so uncommitted to the people that already live here that they will import voters simply to hold onto power, and despite all the rhetoric about diversity the leaders will remain almost thoroughly white. The GOP deserves its share of blame as they have looked the other way on this issue for 2 decades at the behest of their Chamber of Commerce donors. In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else.

    So far Trump looks like a train wreck to me, but if he can hit the pause button on immigration for 4-8 years and keep the establishment out of power at the same time, it's worth it provided we don't end up doubling down on Afghanistan or involved in a war somewhere else.

    Great comment, Arclight.

    I’ll quibble only that we should NOT expect the Dem Party leadership to remain white for long. That is changing and will likely change fairly drastically in the near future, especially here in California. Mexicans and part-Mexicans will lead the Dem Party in many parts of the country soon enough.

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  110. EdwardM says:

    Wow, mainstream jounalist Paul Bedard is allowed to cite (granted, in a right-of-center outlet) without opprobrium a study by the disgraced-discredited-racist-heathen Jason Richwine? Progress. I am glad to see that Dr. Richwine is able to earn a living.

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  111. @International Jew
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio?

    Too old, seemingly not too bright, and recently defeated for re-election.

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  112. @International Jew
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio?

    That’d be fine IJ, but he is getting pretty old to go far in politics. It’d be a great thing for a younger man to do. These politicians, at every level (yeah, sheriffs of high-population counties are politicians) are so ambitious, and you’d think just one of them would get it into his head to show some courage, ignore the name-calling and then the sky’s the limit a far as name-recognition from then on.

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    I mentioned Arpaio to point out that politicians like that draw heavy fire. They have to be prepared to lose their jobs, their businesses, friends, family. Well, unless they come from a very special social milieu...if such milieus even exist anymore.
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  113. Dee says:
    @Arclight
    It should - but doesn't - give anyone pause that a major political party is so uncommitted to the people that already live here that they will import voters simply to hold onto power, and despite all the rhetoric about diversity the leaders will remain almost thoroughly white. The GOP deserves its share of blame as they have looked the other way on this issue for 2 decades at the behest of their Chamber of Commerce donors. In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else.

    So far Trump looks like a train wreck to me, but if he can hit the pause button on immigration for 4-8 years and keep the establishment out of power at the same time, it's worth it provided we don't end up doubling down on Afghanistan or involved in a war somewhere else.

    In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else

    When you can become a multi-millionaire from 15-20 years of ‘serving’, that’s what you get; they want themselves and their family financially fixed for the next couple of generations if they do it right.

    Trump is upsetting this gravy train; if you were able to place a loaded gun to their heads, that’s the answer as to why they oppose Trump. Not ideological nonsense; money and power are always the reason. That, and womyn for the guys; most men get rich to attract a better looking broad.

    See; William Jefferson Clintoon for the best recent example of this….

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    Since anything would be an improvement over Hillary in that regard, I'd say he went to a lot of trouble for nothing.
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  114. Neoconned says:
    @Karl
    what are the common-law writs, which would allow an individual American to move the court to forbid issuance of a certificate of naturalization to a named person, for reasons of English-illiteracy, or to have it revoked?

    Stop w the crazy sovereign citizen nutjob dog whistling.

    An individual cant do shit. We have to act as a group & form lobbies, interest groups, etc…..and that is just a start.

    I just left Humboldt County wrapping up my vacation for the summer.

    There are tens of thousands of foreigners here. Some illegals some on tourist visas lying about being on vacation.

    You cant even get a job trimming pot any more….

    There are ppl here from Africa, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia, North Africa, Europe and of course scores from Mexico and Central America.

    If Trump doesnt end this shit soon we won’t even have an economy any more

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    114 Neoconned > Stop w the crazy sovereign citizen nutjob dog whistling

    next you'll be telling us that a US court would never award a woman $2 million for spilling coffee on her own lap
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  115. Rob McX says:
    @AnotherDad

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.
     
    Lot--respect you/your comments a "lot", very sharp for a younger guy, always worth reading.

    But "not any political goals" is just ridiculous.

    The 'state party' in every nation always finds ways to use state power not just to reward its friends but to cement its grip on power. (It's been like this since civilization first stated and it was "the court" party.) In the democratic West that means, "more voters!", and it recruits them by creating more and more 'entanglement' with and dependence on the state. Directly with employees and welfare (cash, housing, food, medical care), but beyond that with grantees, "activists", affirmative action hires, beneficiaries of hiring goals, legal infrastructure dealing with regulation, private bureaucracy necessary to react to it, on and on and on.

    The need of the state party for voters to keep it in power is precisely why the welfare state has been a runaway train in the West. The huge increase in both welfare dependency and legal entitlement and entanglement generated by the sexual revolution and feminism--the state taking from men and giving to women, in multiple ways, substituting for the old voluntary and reciprocal institution of marriage--is why the state pushed that so hard and why it was so overwhelmingly successful.

    The state parties in the West--rightly--realized that immigration is the "killer app" of political dominance. The new "citizens", are highly likely to be welfare and "services" dependent. But even better, the friction and grievance--racism!, "islamophobia!"--generated in multi-ethnic societies provides both a continual management function for the state (you'll never have any "small government" or "libertarian" paradise in a multi-ethnic society) and a locked in voter base for the state party.

    Seriously, this dynamic shouldn't even need to be spelled out--especially to Sailer commenters. It's obvious.

    Yes, there was direct private, "cheap labor" greed involved, especially in ramping this up--Mexican grape pickers for California vineyards, Mirpuris for Manchester mills, Turk "guest workers" for German industry. And there still is private "greed" demand for cheap immigrant labor from various ag, construction, "hospitality" industry companies--at least in the US where cheap labor immigrants still often work. But these low skill immigrants really aren't important to most of the economy even in the States and they don't do anything useful in Europe but suck welfare. (And uglify the streets--Paris full of black guys hawking shit.)

    "Greed" is definitely a huge driver, but that "greed" mostly isn't even private--Joe's construction or Jane's restaurant. Rather it is the greed--and "lust"--of the 'state party' for perpetual dominance and of all its apparatchiks for their comfy sinecures.

    I think Ann Sterzinger summarised very well the ideal society of the open borders globalists:

    It’s brilliant: create a ruling caste, a working caste, and a voting caste. The working caste must be kept too small and busy to matter in political life; instead of shorter hours and better pay, they may be granted all the joys of ever-higher productivity and taxes in order to keep their fertility trimmed. Instead of allowing the stupider segments of the voting caste to peter out, or to integrate into the working caste, they should be siloed behind welfare firewalls, safe from struggle, medically cossetted, their only duty to society contained in the voting booth. This will keep the comforting myths of democracy alive whilst keeping the top caste happily in the driver’s seat — or rather, in the back of the limousine; it’s the working class that drives. And their seat is lined with spikes.

    One small disagreement I have with your comment is that it sounds a bit pessimistic. We don’t have to live like this. For a good portion of the 20th century, America and Western Europe didn’t – we had prosperous, homogeneous societies. We could still return to that.

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    RobX, I wrote my reply to AnotherDad before I read your reply here. As to the pessimism and how we could have the society we used to have, this is why I don't understand how intelligent people on this very blog could be socialists.

    Don't they realize what dependency on government does to the population? Yes, welfare and the like work better to stupefy some races than others. In all cases, it makes for a stupider population, and one that will never resist more Big Government (who cares?, the socialists say - well, when that Big Government decides to allow a freakin' invasion, why should they care what YOU think about it - you have given them almost absolute power, YOU DUPES!)
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  116. snorlax says:
    @Brutusale
    A few years ago Boston had FEC poll watchers forced on them for not having enough ballots in Mandarin!

    The Chinese are actually one of the more right-leaning (or at least pro-law and order) voting blocs in Boston, if transactional about it. Chinatown was covered in Charlie Baker* signs in 2014, after the local BLM went hard after a Chinese cop who shot a black guy.

    *Our RINO/NeverTrump (but best we can realistically get in this state) governor, elected that year.

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    "Sorry Charlie" Baker is in the running for the worst vote I ever cast!

    After spending the past 8 months around Cambodians, Vietnamese and Chinese workers, my opinion of the Chinese has hit a new low. Mendacity is their default setting.
    , @Joe Stalin
    Chicago's Chinatown used have all sorts Taiwanese flags but apparently in the past few decades all the recent immigrants are PRC. You see all sorts of PRC flag bits here and there when visiting.

    That's why amazingly enough, following the 9/11 attack, Wentworth in Chinatown burst forth with American flags - a nation at war showing solidarity.
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  117. Neoconned says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?
     
    A person of a lower level of education and literacy in their native language, or a homebound wife, people who only associate with groups of same language workers, such as agricultural workers or cleaning crews.

    Both of my children, aged 8 and 4, came to the US 14 months ago as fluent native speakers of Spanish, and now both are so fluent in English that they have completely forgotten how to speak Spanish, except for singing a few nursery rhymes.

    When we were on vacation in a Spanish speaking country a few weeks ago, they completely blanked out when people who have known them all their lives spoke to them in Spanish.

    And yet when I asked them what the Spanish word for 'fox' was the other day, both of them instantly replied 'zorro'.

    This has forced their mother to step up her knowledge of English, which is her third language, so as to communicate with her children, as they are no longer able to take directions in Spanish.

    One commenter on here proposed a few months back in the Salma Hayek thread proposed only allowing female immigrants with no children of child bearing age to immigrate.

    No kids, no old cat ladies, no men.

    This would be a true Trumpian immigration policy that 90+pc of men in the country would get behind.

    No joke we should do this.

    I guarantee that border will slam shut in WEEKS NOT MONTHS once all the women here start losing their gold digging rackets…..

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    One commenter on here proposed a few months back in the Salma Hayek thread proposed only allowing female immigrants with no children of child bearing age to immigrate.
     
    It's an even better idea to permit only, fertile, childless, female immigrants. (I don't understand your interest in whether the children of prospective female immigrants are able to bear children or not; it's best if the female immigrants are childless).
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  118. @AnotherDad

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.
     
    Lot--respect you/your comments a "lot", very sharp for a younger guy, always worth reading.

    But "not any political goals" is just ridiculous.

    The 'state party' in every nation always finds ways to use state power not just to reward its friends but to cement its grip on power. (It's been like this since civilization first stated and it was "the court" party.) In the democratic West that means, "more voters!", and it recruits them by creating more and more 'entanglement' with and dependence on the state. Directly with employees and welfare (cash, housing, food, medical care), but beyond that with grantees, "activists", affirmative action hires, beneficiaries of hiring goals, legal infrastructure dealing with regulation, private bureaucracy necessary to react to it, on and on and on.

    The need of the state party for voters to keep it in power is precisely why the welfare state has been a runaway train in the West. The huge increase in both welfare dependency and legal entitlement and entanglement generated by the sexual revolution and feminism--the state taking from men and giving to women, in multiple ways, substituting for the old voluntary and reciprocal institution of marriage--is why the state pushed that so hard and why it was so overwhelmingly successful.

    The state parties in the West--rightly--realized that immigration is the "killer app" of political dominance. The new "citizens", are highly likely to be welfare and "services" dependent. But even better, the friction and grievance--racism!, "islamophobia!"--generated in multi-ethnic societies provides both a continual management function for the state (you'll never have any "small government" or "libertarian" paradise in a multi-ethnic society) and a locked in voter base for the state party.

    Seriously, this dynamic shouldn't even need to be spelled out--especially to Sailer commenters. It's obvious.

    Yes, there was direct private, "cheap labor" greed involved, especially in ramping this up--Mexican grape pickers for California vineyards, Mirpuris for Manchester mills, Turk "guest workers" for German industry. And there still is private "greed" demand for cheap immigrant labor from various ag, construction, "hospitality" industry companies--at least in the US where cheap labor immigrants still often work. But these low skill immigrants really aren't important to most of the economy even in the States and they don't do anything useful in Europe but suck welfare. (And uglify the streets--Paris full of black guys hawking shit.)

    "Greed" is definitely a huge driver, but that "greed" mostly isn't even private--Joe's construction or Jane's restaurant. Rather it is the greed--and "lust"--of the 'state party' for perpetual dominance and of all its apparatchiks for their comfy sinecures.

    Great AnotherDad! That’s one of the best comments on governments’s pushing for the immigration invasion I’ve read on here ever (and I agree with all of your comments on about any issue).

    Just to set the record straight, though not completely sure if you’d agree, this whole thing is not some kind of well-thought-out conspiracy. I don’t believe things work that way. However, as you said “The ‘state party’ in every nation always finds ways to use state power not just to reward its friends but to cement its grip on power.” It’s not via some monthly secret meetings an that sort of thing though. It’s more of a natural thing for all government control freaks (oops, redundancy there, sorry) that reach a certain level of power.

    It is very natural for the control freaks in governments to have fear and disdain for any type of people that don’t “take kindly” to being bossed around, like to form associations, and, most importantly (and I can’t believe I haven’t written a post on this) have the means to spend time trying to save their country rather than just enough to get by. Oh, they especially fear groups of people that understand that it’s not good to give up your guns. Who are these people, in general? Everyone knows the answer, even the stupid folks in governments.

    That’s why it makes them feel much more relaxed to have a docile population that is used to the 3rd world – not only the conditions, but the 3rd world way of thinking. “Yeah, we can riot to get some more stuff from our betters, or to get our betters to give more leniency in their punishments of our bad behavior, but we will never be them. Things will always be this way.” That’s the kind of thinking of the population that exists in the wet dreams of people running governments.

    Our elites in the US want to be able to run things like the elites in the 3rd world, so they need to bring in that type of population. Yes, welfare has helped create the dependency our elites like in some of the population, but there are these big pockets of white men who really believe in making their own way in this world for themselves and their families. What’s to be done with them? “Who will rid us of these horrible independent thinkers? Anyone? … anyone?… Bueller?”

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  119. @Rob McX
    I think Ann Sterzinger summarised very well the ideal society of the open borders globalists:

    It’s brilliant: create a ruling caste, a working caste, and a voting caste. The working caste must be kept too small and busy to matter in political life; instead of shorter hours and better pay, they may be granted all the joys of ever-higher productivity and taxes in order to keep their fertility trimmed. Instead of allowing the stupider segments of the voting caste to peter out, or to integrate into the working caste, they should be siloed behind welfare firewalls, safe from struggle, medically cossetted, their only duty to society contained in the voting booth. This will keep the comforting myths of democracy alive whilst keeping the top caste happily in the driver’s seat — or rather, in the back of the limousine; it’s the working class that drives. And their seat is lined with spikes.
     
    One small disagreement I have with your comment is that it sounds a bit pessimistic. We don't have to live like this. For a good portion of the 20th century, America and Western Europe didn't - we had prosperous, homogeneous societies. We could still return to that.

    RobX, I wrote my reply to AnotherDad before I read your reply here. As to the pessimism and how we could have the society we used to have, this is why I don’t understand how intelligent people on this very blog could be socialists.

    Don’t they realize what dependency on government does to the population? Yes, welfare and the like work better to stupefy some races than others. In all cases, it makes for a stupider population, and one that will never resist more Big Government (who cares?, the socialists say – well, when that Big Government decides to allow a freakin’ invasion, why should they care what YOU think about it – you have given them almost absolute power, YOU DUPES!)

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  120. @Lot
    The challenge to DAPA involved the states focusing on things like the cost of issuing illegals driver licenses. There is nothing stopping a county from doing this.

    A county challenging the illegal naturalization of people who lack of English skills might survive dismissal, so not a bad idea.

    In fact, now is a really good time for conservative cities and states to sue the federal government and work out "settlements" with the Trump DOJ that advances our shared causes. If Trump just goes and does X, he can be sued in Hawaii/Seattle/9th Circuit and the liberal judge can stop him. But if a conservative state AG sues Trump/DHS in front of a friendly federal judge in Texas and they settle for X, the government is bound to do X and it is the conservative Texas federal judge who supervises the settlement and decides if it is OK.

    This isn't my clever idea, liberal lawyers have been doing this for a long time.

    In fact, now is a really good time for conservative cities and states to sue the federal government and work out “settlements” with the Trump DOJ that advances our shared causes.

    I love this idea! But I suspect that even though conservative cities and states have the numbers they don’t have the presence of mind to do so.

    Nonetheless, this is a great idea. Kudos to you Lot.

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  121. @Achmed E. Newman
    That'd be fine IJ, but he is getting pretty old to go far in politics. It'd be a great thing for a younger man to do. These politicians, at every level (yeah, sheriffs of high-population counties are politicians) are so ambitious, and you'd think just one of them would get it into his head to show some courage, ignore the name-calling and then the sky's the limit a far as name-recognition from then on.

    I mentioned Arpaio to point out that politicians like that draw heavy fire. They have to be prepared to lose their jobs, their businesses, friends, family. Well, unless they come from a very special social milieu…if such milieus even exist anymore.

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    Yeah, well, it depends on the region. Were a Sheriff in Texas (minus Austin) to apply THE LAW, as it should be with full media coverage, he couldn't lose his job till the term's up, but I don't believe he would anyway and would have the recognition to move up in the political world. He may not lose too many friends, and the family is another story (got to let the wife know that politics should be a man's world and to stay out - she's gonna be worried about the "status" and such, but will have admiration for a husband who makes a stand if she is a real woman).

    In California, all bets are off - you'd need a bunch of close friends as a back-up militia and a 4-wheel drive vehicle ready to haul the family far out into the desert if need be.
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  122. @Diversity Heretic
    I think that the writ would be mandamus, which a court issues to compel an official to perform a (generally ministerial) duty. Courts are generally reluctant to grant such writs and the present judiciary is so enamored with immigration that finding a judge willing to do so would be difficult. An individual might also have difficulty obtaining standing, which would require that the person seeking the writ would suffer some kind of individual loss on the basis of what the administrative official plans to do. The "standing" of the plantiffs in the actions brought to enjoin the Trump visa issuance moratorium was pretty flimsy, but sufficient for a court hostile to the Trump order in the first place.

    It strikes me that if citizenship were granted on the basis of fraudulent representations of English competency, that the citizenship would be subject to revocation once the fraud is proved. Recently naturalized citizens could be required to report for English competency testing--people failing the test would have their citizenship revoked. A person with revoked citizenship could then be deported to the country of origin--they're now just illegal aliens. Any person who originally certified English-language competence would face criminal fraud charges. An aggressive program might lead to self-deportation or even return to the original homeland.
    Precede the whole thing with a three month period of voluntary, free-of-charge renunciation of citizenship, as long as the person renouncing it leaves within the three month period.

    Here's a good project for Jeff Sessions.

    This proposal is exactly the kind of thing the government is liable to implement any day now; it very much embodies the concerns and priorities of politicians everywhere, and fits with their ideals and practices. They are very much earnest and eager about justice, democracy, and fairness to the citizenry in their commitment to uphold constitutional ideals memorialised by the nation’s founders.

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    Start at 8:25

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  124. Boethiuss says:
    @Lot
    The challenge to DAPA involved the states focusing on things like the cost of issuing illegals driver licenses. There is nothing stopping a county from doing this.

    A county challenging the illegal naturalization of people who lack of English skills might survive dismissal, so not a bad idea.

    In fact, now is a really good time for conservative cities and states to sue the federal government and work out "settlements" with the Trump DOJ that advances our shared causes. If Trump just goes and does X, he can be sued in Hawaii/Seattle/9th Circuit and the liberal judge can stop him. But if a conservative state AG sues Trump/DHS in front of a friendly federal judge in Texas and they settle for X, the government is bound to do X and it is the conservative Texas federal judge who supervises the settlement and decides if it is OK.

    This isn't my clever idea, liberal lawyers have been doing this for a long time.

    In fact, now is a really good time for conservative cities and states to sue the federal government and work out “settlements” with the Trump DOJ that advances our shared causes. If Trump just goes and does X, he can be sued in Hawaii/Seattle/9th Circuit and the liberal judge can stop him. But if a conservative state AG sues Trump/DHS in front of a friendly federal judge in Texas and they settle for X, the government is bound to do X and it is the conservative Texas federal judge who supervises the settlement and decides if it is OK.

    This is a good idea and if Mitch McConnell or Jeff Sessions were President, we might be making progress on this. Unfortunately for us, the President is Donald Trump, and this is really heavy lifting.

    Trump hasn’t staffed the DOJ, or any of the federal agencies really, with ideologically friendly administrators. He doesn’t know any, and the few that he does know he treats like shit so they stay arm’s length away.

    We don’t have enough lawyers in the DOJ to pull this off.

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  125. @anonn
    The current Democratic party is closer to the center-right than ever. Except for marriage equality, the Democratic party has successfully fought against any movement leftward on any issue. "Crazy lesbians and sociology professors and black militants" have no power in the Democratic party at present, unless they have billionaire friends.

    The notion that excessive immigration is the fault of one party is crazy. 10 straight administrations of both parties have had effectively identical immigration policies.

    Even if it were true, and it isn't, that unlimited immigration is the fault of the Dems, what does it say about the Republicans that they can't even be bothered to oppose a policy that hurts them electorally and hurts the country, just so they can pay their nannies and gardeners less money?

    … the Democratic party has successfully fought against any movement leftward on any issue.

    Well it depends which state you live in, anonn …






    as to how far it is from my current location, as I want to be able to legally obtain whatever drugs you’re on! It sounds like a blast!

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  126. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    It isn't about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    It isn’t about electing demorats. Democrats did just fine before mass immigration. In fact, during most of the low period of immigration Democrats or Ike won every presidential election between 1932 and 1964. All it did is rejigger the map.

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.

    Emanuel Celler did not spend 40 years trying to upend US immigration policy because he was greedy.

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  127. @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    It’s quite possible to have a lifestyle that doesn’t require you to learn the native language, but in the context of English, the global lingua franca, not learning it when you live in a country where it is spoken is incomprehensible to me. The “insular community” reasoning is weak, because there are masses of people proficient-to-fluent in English who have never stepped foot in an English-language country, much less spoken it at home. It’s especially frustrating where Hispanics are concerned. Having to learn English with Chinese as your mother tongue is one thing, but Spanish and English are sister languages in the study of language acquisition; if you are fluent in one, the other one is highly accessible. Not to mention that English is in general an easy foreign language to learn (except for its many irregularities, but those aren’t central to the language). Is there an intentional resistance by many Hispanic Americans to not learn English, ala Quebec? Also, is a language test requirement even feasible as a policy recommendation when the USA has no official language?

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  128. @Lot

    Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration–cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.
     
    No, they might get a bit of cheaper labor, but this is nothing compared to the cost in the form of inferior schools, higher taxes, crowded hospitals, uninsured drunk drivers, less street parking, and a million ways little and big that low-skill immigration degrades the quality of life.

    I've been to 95% white places that have very high wages for unskilled labor: Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Luxembourg. People do fine without cheap labor.

    In my hometown in the 1990's, with virtually no immigrants, I had a job when I was 16 that paid, adjusted for inflation, $13 an hour. And plenty of 12-15 year old boys cut grass and shoveled snow for much more than minimum wage while their sisters babysat. All work done by immigrants now while teenagers get fat playing playing video games and social media.

    This is not a disagreement of the gist of your post except in defense of Cato’s point wrt one phrase: “upper middle class”. Many of the bad effects on society that you mentioned don’t affect these types. They’ve got their good doctors, clinics, (don’t know about their ER’s), they live where the schools aren’t infested, so are not inferior, they earn enough to where the taxes and high insurance are just chump change, or at least not that significant. They don’t care about the lost teenage jobs, as their kids are too elite for such work, and they don’t want them working among Mexicans .. wait??

    I don’t think they get off scot-free on the drunk-driving Mexicans, though. There’s some chance they or their kids may get slammed by a Mexican gardening crew leaving the neighborhood in the evening, or morning (yes, “or morning”) after having one too many beers cases of beer.

    The upper-middle classes are ignorant of the problem and think everyone else is just too xenophobic or they just don’t care about you. It’s the middle and lower-middle but working, classes that pay the big price on this in the short run. In the long run everybody who doesn’t have a Global Challenger fueled up and a bug-out location in S. America will pay.

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    They may be ignorant (many are) but there are none that are unaffected:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/07/left-wing-indoctrination-in-the-schools-its-worse-than-you-think.php
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  129. @Neoconned
    One commenter on here proposed a few months back in the Salma Hayek thread proposed only allowing female immigrants with no children of child bearing age to immigrate.

    No kids, no old cat ladies, no men.

    This would be a true Trumpian immigration policy that 90+pc of men in the country would get behind.

    No joke we should do this.

    I guarantee that border will slam shut in WEEKS NOT MONTHS once all the women here start losing their gold digging rackets.....

    One commenter on here proposed a few months back in the Salma Hayek thread proposed only allowing female immigrants with no children of child bearing age to immigrate.

    It’s an even better idea to permit only, fertile, childless, female immigrants. (I don’t understand your interest in whether the children of prospective female immigrants are able to bear children or not; it’s best if the female immigrants are childless).

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    OK, OK, the guy missed 2 commas. Cut him some slack. He may be a bad punctuationalist, but he's OUR punctuationalist!

    "Fertile" does sound a lot sexier though. Along with Neoconned's (corrected) stipulations, I would add a chest/waist/hip measurement requirement. The numbers could be buried deep within the law, in some type of centerfold - it could be the first House Bill printed in color with non-stick pages, fold-outs, and possibly a forum section.

    "We have to pass it to know ... hubba, hubba."
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  130. @International Jew
    I mentioned Arpaio to point out that politicians like that draw heavy fire. They have to be prepared to lose their jobs, their businesses, friends, family. Well, unless they come from a very special social milieu...if such milieus even exist anymore.

    Yeah, well, it depends on the region. Were a Sheriff in Texas (minus Austin) to apply THE LAW, as it should be with full media coverage, he couldn’t lose his job till the term’s up, but I don’t believe he would anyway and would have the recognition to move up in the political world. He may not lose too many friends, and the family is another story (got to let the wife know that politics should be a man’s world and to stay out – she’s gonna be worried about the “status” and such, but will have admiration for a husband who makes a stand if she is a real woman).

    In California, all bets are off – you’d need a bunch of close friends as a back-up militia and a 4-wheel drive vehicle ready to haul the family far out into the desert if need be.

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  131. @Autochthon

    One commenter on here proposed a few months back in the Salma Hayek thread proposed only allowing female immigrants with no children of child bearing age to immigrate.
     
    It's an even better idea to permit only, fertile, childless, female immigrants. (I don't understand your interest in whether the children of prospective female immigrants are able to bear children or not; it's best if the female immigrants are childless).

    OK, OK, the guy missed 2 commas. Cut him some slack. He may be a bad punctuationalist, but he’s OUR punctuationalist!

    “Fertile” does sound a lot sexier though. Along with Neoconned’s (corrected) stipulations, I would add a chest/waist/hip measurement requirement. The numbers could be buried deep within the law, in some type of centerfold – it could be the first House Bill printed in color with non-stick pages, fold-outs, and possibly a forum section.

    “We have to pass it to know … hubba, hubba.”

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    It's true; I'm a dick. Ironically, I misplaced the period in my own parenthetical sentence.

    Still, leave me my small pleasures sending up poor composition; Neoconned knows I got nothin' but love fo' him.
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  132. @Opinionator
    To what do you attribute history's conquests, ethnic cleansings, genocides?

    A theory of something doesn’t have to explain every thing

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    What makes you think the impulse to mass immigration is any different from history's other conquests and genocides?
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  133. Hibernian says:
    @Olorin
    Québécois?

    ;D

    I think Quebecois were very likely to speak at least some English before coming to the US, at least until lately; I have a dog in the fight because my great grandfather was a Quebecois.

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    You mean moose, right?

    :D
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  134. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clyde
    I am going to trot out the standard, "It would be racist to demand that those aspiring to be US citizens to be English literate or marginally functional."

    Yes, this is exactly what would be said if Trump tried to actually enforce the law- the same thing that happnes whenever he tries to enforce the law, like doing something about the stream of illegals or halting the immigration of people from the Middle East who blatantly are a source of danger for American citzenry- “Its racist, it’s deplorable, that’s not who we are,” blah blah blah, waaaaa…. idiots waving signs, judges ruling it is unconstitutional to enforce the law over some nonsensical technicality. At this point, the only thing that would take back rule of law in this country would be a millitary state.

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  135. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Thea
    But American Catholics have long been frustratingly difficult for the Vatican to control. Taking devout Mexican peasants and turning them into secular American consumers won't really offer the Vatican much more influence here.

    The trajectory for Irish, Polish & Italian Catholics arriving here was towards less observance. Much like American Jews.

    As long as American Catholics keep donating to the Church and its charities, keep sending their children to Catholic schools/universities, keep going to Catholic hospitals, and keep putting the Church as beneficiary of their charitable remainder trusts, etc. I don’t think the RCC is too terribly concerned about how observant or not American Catholics are. The less observant, rich American Catholics might in fact give more generously to the Church due to feelings of guilt for not being observant/devout enough, or to get better heavenly real estate, etc.

    The Church has never truly been a spiritual entity, but mainly an earthly power, in my opinion. It is the oldest and biggest globalized, tax-exempt corporation/organization on the planet. Just as Israel’s prosperity and power would be greatly diminished without the support of rich American Jews, so would the RCC’s without the resources of rich American Catholics. The more American Catholics there are the more political and military power and financial resources the Vatican will have/gain.

    The United States of America is the Vatican’s golden goose:

    Earthly concerns
    The Catholic church is as big as any company in America. Bankruptcy cases have shed some light on its finances and their mismanagement

    http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

    The American church may account for as much as 60% of the global institution’s wealth. Little surprise, then, that it is the biggest contributor to head office (ahead of Germany, Italy and France). Everything from renovations to St Peter’s Basilica in Rome to the Pontifical Gregorian University, the church’s version of West Point, is largely paid for with American money.

    Where that money comes from is hard to say (the church does not release numbers on this either). Some of it is from the offerings of the faithful. Anecdotal evidence suggests that America’s Catholics give about $10 per week on average. Assuming that one-third attend church regularly, that would put the annual offertory income at around $13 billion. More comes from elite groups of large donors such as the Papal Foundation, based in Pennsylvania, whose 138 members pledge to donate at least $1m annually, and Legatus, a group of more than 2,000 Catholic business leaders that was founded by Tom Monaghan of Domino’s Pizza.

    https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1869494

    The Church has an excellent claim to have invented globalisation, and that goes far towards explaining just why its numbers are actually booming. Throughout history there had been so many so-called “world empires” which in reality were mainly confined to Eurasia. Only in the 16th century did the Spanish and Portuguese empires truly span the globe. For me, true globalisation began in 1578, when the Catholic Church established its diocese at Manila, in the Philippines – as a suffragan see of Mexico City, on the other side of the immense Pacific Ocean.

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/september-9th-2016/catholicisms-incredible-growth-story/

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    The Catholic church is as big as any company in America.

     

    The Pope owns 51% of General Motors
    And the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us


    From the rousing, kind of forgotten George Harrison song. Ok, so it's not true. It's fake but accurate.

    https://youtu.be/QGI3RWBhuUo
    , @Thea
    Those numbers are very interesting. I did not realize how financially dependent the Vatican is on Americans.

    I grew up Catholic but converted to a Protestant sect. There is still something about it, maybe nostalgia, that pulls me in sometimes.

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  136. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dee

    In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else
     
    When you can become a multi-millionaire from 15-20 years of 'serving', that's what you get; they want themselves and their family financially fixed for the next couple of generations if they do it right.

    Trump is upsetting this gravy train; if you were able to place a loaded gun to their heads, that's the answer as to why they oppose Trump. Not ideological nonsense; money and power are always the reason. That, and womyn for the guys; most men get rich to attract a better looking broad.

    See; William Jefferson Clintoon for the best recent example of this....

    Since anything would be an improvement over Hillary in that regard, I’d say he went to a lot of trouble for nothing.

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  137. @27 year old
    A theory of something doesn't have to explain every thing

    What makes you think the impulse to mass immigration is any different from history’s other conquests and genocides?

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    Mass immigration is genocide, but there is a difference between what we're seeing now and the historical instances of genocide. In the latter case, people tried to wipe out another race to make their own country more homogeneous. Genocide was a response to the problems posed by a multiracial society, the chosen solution being to make it homogeneous by wiping out minorities (or at least killing off enough of them to leave one race clearly dominant).

    The open borders crowd started out with countries that were mostly white, and seek to ruin them by bringing in more races and diversifying the population.
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  138. @jim jones
    Go into a Chinese restaurant, how many of the staff can speak English?

    None, but one of the Cantonese ladies spoke excellent Mandarin.

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  139. @International Jew
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio?

    There’s a new sheriff in town, courtesy one Giorgy Schwartz- bond villain.

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  140. @Arclight
    It should - but doesn't - give anyone pause that a major political party is so uncommitted to the people that already live here that they will import voters simply to hold onto power, and despite all the rhetoric about diversity the leaders will remain almost thoroughly white. The GOP deserves its share of blame as they have looked the other way on this issue for 2 decades at the behest of their Chamber of Commerce donors. In short, our political class cares more about maintaining their position of power than anything else.

    So far Trump looks like a train wreck to me, but if he can hit the pause button on immigration for 4-8 years and keep the establishment out of power at the same time, it's worth it provided we don't end up doubling down on Afghanistan or involved in a war somewhere else.

    Perhaps the suite of naturalization, immigration and voting laws (the rules) enacted in the age of the three-masted frigate need updating for the age of the $500 intercontinental plane ride and the internet, since self-restraint seems absent from the Demi-ratic character.

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  141. Rob McX says:
    @Opinionator
    What makes you think the impulse to mass immigration is any different from history's other conquests and genocides?

    Mass immigration is genocide, but there is a difference between what we’re seeing now and the historical instances of genocide. In the latter case, people tried to wipe out another race to make their own country more homogeneous. Genocide was a response to the problems posed by a multiracial society, the chosen solution being to make it homogeneous by wiping out minorities (or at least killing off enough of them to leave one race clearly dominant).

    The open borders crowd started out with countries that were mostly white, and seek to ruin them by bringing in more races and diversifying the population.

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  142. @Achmed E. Newman
    This is not a disagreement of the gist of your post except in defense of Cato's point wrt one phrase: "upper middle class". Many of the bad effects on society that you mentioned don't affect these types. They've got their good doctors, clinics, (don't know about their ER's), they live where the schools aren't infested, so are not inferior, they earn enough to where the taxes and high insurance are just chump change, or at least not that significant. They don't care about the lost teenage jobs, as their kids are too elite for such work, and they don't want them working among Mexicans .. wait??

    I don't think they get off scot-free on the drunk-driving Mexicans, though. There's some chance they or their kids may get slammed by a Mexican gardening crew leaving the neighborhood in the evening, or morning (yes, "or morning") after having one too many beers cases of beer.

    The upper-middle classes are ignorant of the problem and think everyone else is just too xenophobic or they just don't care about you. It's the middle and lower-middle but working, classes that pay the big price on this in the short run. In the long run everybody who doesn't have a Global Challenger fueled up and a bug-out location in S. America will pay.
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  143. @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, OK, the guy missed 2 commas. Cut him some slack. He may be a bad punctuationalist, but he's OUR punctuationalist!

    "Fertile" does sound a lot sexier though. Along with Neoconned's (corrected) stipulations, I would add a chest/waist/hip measurement requirement. The numbers could be buried deep within the law, in some type of centerfold - it could be the first House Bill printed in color with non-stick pages, fold-outs, and possibly a forum section.

    "We have to pass it to know ... hubba, hubba."

    It’s true; I’m a dick. Ironically, I misplaced the period in my own parenthetical sentence.

    Still, leave me my small pleasures sending up poor composition; Neoconned knows I got nothin’ but love fo’ him.

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  144. Karl says:
    @anonymous
    This article is talking about people who have been minted as new US citizens. The majority of servers in Chinese restaurants are not only non US citizens, they probably aren't even in this nation legally.

    69 anonymous > The majority of servers in Chinese restaurants are not only non US citizens, they probably aren’t even in this nation legally.

    The ==servers== are carefully chosen to be able to put customers at ease.

    Restaurants cannot afford to present a hassle-acious customer-facing experience. There is to much competition right in the same fucking strip mall

    Talk shit all you want about asian restaurants in the USA…. they are the one category which hasn’t been completely submerged by national franchising. Ok, MAYBE mexican as well.

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    they are the one category which hasn’t been completely submerged by national franchising
     
    --Diners (esp. in NJ, NY)
    --Italian (okay, maybe my east-coast-ness is showing here)
    --Haute cuisine (of course)
    --Indian
    --Other ethnic stuff here on the East Coast

    Diners used to use plenty of illegal labor, the others not so much.

    That said, why aren't there franchised Chinese/Asian places?
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  145. Karl says:
    @peterike
    The maitre’d, and the waitresses can speak English.

    You go to Chinese restaurants with a maitre'd and waitresses? Well ain't you fancy!

    In the typical Chinese hash takeout dive, yeah it's the one cash register person speaking quasi-English and none of the cooks in the back (who around here are all Chinese) speak it. Though since many of the Chinese have been here a long time now, increasingly the upfront person is a teen or 20-something -- the children who speak very good English.

    Though in Asian sit-down restaurants I do find the wait staff are marginal English speakers. They are far from fluent. I guess on the coasts there's an endless supply of fresh off-the-boaters so we might have a higher percentage of bad English speakers.

    Agree with someone else on the thread that Chinese illegals are WAY more than is generally reported.

    80 peterike > none of the cooks in the back (who around here are all Chinese) speak [English]

    I propose you prove that claim with the following test: next time you’re there, stick your head into the kitchen and sing out -

    Hey…. which one of you guys dropped this ten dollar bill?

    They are chinese. They learned with their mother’s milk that roundeyes are barbarians. They don’t feel the need to include you in their smalltalk back aft.

    It is not THEIR homeland which allows itself to be swamped by Afghanis & Somalis. And they know it.

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  146. Karl says:
    @Brutusale
    His wife went back last year for her niece's wedding. He hasn't been back nor does he want to.

    91 Brutusale > He hasn’t been back nor does he want to

    I don’t think you really know what he privately really thinks.

    To my knowledge, the Cambodia of 2017 is rather safer to be in than the southern California of 2017. And a western social-security annuity puts you in the top 10% of folks

    If he gets widowed, he will go back there to get a 23-year-old second wife. Almost guarantee that.

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    , @Brutusale
    I don't know about you, but returning to a place where 80% of my family was murdered may not be a trip I'd want to take.

    He met his wife when they were both shopping at their local Khmer market near Boston.
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  147. @Kylie
    WTF--??

    My maternal grandmother, born in 1890 in Vienna with only the equivalent of a sixth grade education, came to America as a young woman. She learned to speak, read and write English. She had a heavy Viennese accent but was easily understandable.

    I loved her dearly but don't kid myself that she was very bright. Just a hard-working naturalized citizen determined to assimilate to what she perceived as American ways.

    Nor was she exceptional. I know many others like her to whom I'm not related.

    Well, on the plus side they never vote, because they don’t feel like it’s their business.

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  148. Karl says:
    @Neoconned
    Stop w the crazy sovereign citizen nutjob dog whistling.

    An individual cant do shit. We have to act as a group & form lobbies, interest groups, etc.....and that is just a start.

    I just left Humboldt County wrapping up my vacation for the summer.

    There are tens of thousands of foreigners here. Some illegals some on tourist visas lying about being on vacation.

    You cant even get a job trimming pot any more....

    There are ppl here from Africa, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia, North Africa, Europe and of course scores from Mexico and Central America.

    If Trump doesnt end this shit soon we won't even have an economy any more

    114 Neoconned > Stop w the crazy sovereign citizen nutjob dog whistling

    next you’ll be telling us that a US court would never award a woman $2 million for spilling coffee on her own lap

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  149. @KM32
    "When I in worked in Columbia I took the time to learn enough Spanish so I could ask directions and order a meal."

    Which is a million miles from actually being able to speak Spanish.

    The fact is, most adults can't learn a language without heroic efforts. Plenty of people simply can't reproduce accents in any sort of passable way, for a start, and to be able to have a good conversation requires thousands of words of vocabulary and intense study of grammar for all but a few language savants. I'm conversational in one language and fluent in another, and moving to conversational takes a lot of effort, and hundreds of hours of work to achieve fluency.
    And why should the average person do so when there's no pressure either at work, home, or from society to do so? This holds here, and it holds in Gringo enclaves in Latin America, where almost no retired Americans are fluent. I've met dozens of expats, and have yet to meet a person retired in Latin America who can fluently speak Spanish who wasn't already fluent when they retired there. A good half make no effort whatsoever.

    sure, but why should we allow them to become citizens?

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  150. Trelane says:

    What percentage of immigrants score above 70 on the Global Assessment of Functioning (100=somebody you’d go to for personal advice, 0=somebody with persistant risk of harm to self or others.)

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  151. @Cato

    Mass third world immigration to the West is about greed and malice, the top and bottom against the middle, not any political goals.
     
    The illegal immigration of low-skill Latinos has most harmed the bottom of the US labor force, not the middle. Upper middle-class Americans actually benefit from the immigration--cheaper and better yard work, house cleaning, etc.

    cheaper and better yard work

    By definition not better, given the Laws of Economics. If they were better workers, other employers would want to steal them by offering higher wages. The wages of Mexicans on the Free Market shows the objective value of their labor. Mexicans are so undesirable as employees that in order to be hired they need to “sweeten the pot” by agreeing to low wages and long hours. If they were to go on strike and demand the same wages as native Whites, employers would just hire Whites instead.

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  152. Olorin says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Olorin, please don't tell the other guys, but I still have a flip phone...sad, huh?

    I do too. It’s the one I don’t mind falling out of my logging chaps pocket on the tractor and ending up smooshed into the forest duff or lost in slash or a ravine.

    You probably have parallel narrative possibilities. “Yeah, I still have a flip phone. Been kinda sentimentally attached to it since I pulled it out of the belly of this muskie lunker I caught two summers after dropping it outta the boat.” Like that.

    FWIW, I’m waiting for the American release of the new Nokia 3310. Cell phone calls in the field aren’t the same without the Nokia Chime (aka the national anthem of Finland…which is actually a lick from a 19th century Spanish vals; tango being the national dance of Finland).

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  153. Olorin says:
    @Hibernian
    I think Quebecois were very likely to speak at least some English before coming to the US, at least until lately; I have a dog in the fight because my great grandfather was a Quebecois.

    You mean moose, right?

    :D

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    Sled dog.
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  154. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Britain’s odious former ‘New Labour’,(wholly owned subsidiary of The Economist),were the absolute masters – and the originators – of the stratagem of importing, wholesale, a brand new electorate.

    There was a short-term price to pay in terms of a nativist backlash, but that appears to have largely evaporated and now it’s business as usual.
    Current demographic trends indicate automatic, permanent, in-built Labour Party majority rule by 2030.

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  155. @International Jew

    Why did it take the public over fifty years to wake up to the fact that they were being hosed?
     
    You're wrong; most of the public still doesn't begin to appreciate the scale of this disaster.

    What would you tell them in order that they are able appreciate it?

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  156. I knew an American woman who lived n japan for twenty years and couldn’t speak a word.

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  157. @WR
    FEAR and FEAR ALONE is the way to go; it is far, far better to be feared than loved.

    Or in the words of Emperor Tiberius "oderint dum metuant." Although I have come to recognize the wisdom of this dictum, the realization saddens me. I wish the cultural left would form its own country and leave decent people alone. Live and let live. Yet, they never practice what used to be their motto; they do the opposite and try by all means to make sure that others suffer the consequences of their crazy and suicidal worldview. Unfortunately there is no way to reason with them. At the very least they need to know that we are willing to defend ourselves.

    Tiberius may have repeated them, but those words were first written by Lucius Accius, in Atreus.

    In the event, none of this nonsense will change except violently; political solutions are now impossible.

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  158. Hibernian says:
    @Olorin
    You mean moose, right?

    :D

    Sled dog.

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    Interesting. I don't associate mushing with Quebec at all. So I looked it up thanks to you.

    I'll be dayumed.

    http://www.defitaiga.ca/

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  159. @Buffalo Joe
    Still, thank you and I will now call you Sicario, although you are missing an "O" in your pseudo handle.

    I watched that movie on Amazon Prime, since it was free, and I had to block the images out of my head afterwards. Cheap lives and wanton killing, I wonder how honestly it depicted Mexico.

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    Still, years ago that was Columbia in reality.
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  160. peterike says:
    @FKA Max
    As long as American Catholics keep donating to the Church and its charities, keep sending their children to Catholic schools/universities, keep going to Catholic hospitals, and keep putting the Church as beneficiary of their charitable remainder trusts, etc. I don't think the RCC is too terribly concerned about how observant or not American Catholics are. The less observant, rich American Catholics might in fact give more generously to the Church due to feelings of guilt for not being observant/devout enough, or to get better heavenly real estate, etc.

    The Church has never truly been a spiritual entity, but mainly an earthly power, in my opinion. It is the oldest and biggest globalized, tax-exempt corporation/organization on the planet. Just as Israel's prosperity and power would be greatly diminished without the support of rich American Jews, so would the RCC's without the resources of rich American Catholics. The more American Catholics there are the more political and military power and financial resources the Vatican will have/gain.


    The United States of America is the Vatican’s golden goose:

    Earthly concerns
    The Catholic church is as big as any company in America. Bankruptcy cases have shed some light on its finances and their mismanagement

    http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

    The American church may account for as much as 60% of the global institution’s wealth. Little surprise, then, that it is the biggest contributor to head office (ahead of Germany, Italy and France). Everything from renovations to St Peter’s Basilica in Rome to the Pontifical Gregorian University, the church’s version of West Point, is largely paid for with American money.

    Where that money comes from is hard to say (the church does not release numbers on this either). Some of it is from the offerings of the faithful. Anecdotal evidence suggests that America’s Catholics give about $10 per week on average. Assuming that one-third attend church regularly, that would put the annual offertory income at around $13 billion. More comes from elite groups of large donors such as the Papal Foundation, based in Pennsylvania, whose 138 members pledge to donate at least $1m annually, and Legatus, a group of more than 2,000 Catholic business leaders that was founded by Tom Monaghan of Domino’s Pizza.
     

    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1869494

    The Church has an excellent claim to have invented globalisation, and that goes far towards explaining just why its numbers are actually booming. Throughout history there had been so many so-called “world empires” which in reality were mainly confined to Eurasia. Only in the 16th century did the Spanish and Portuguese empires truly span the globe. For me, true globalisation began in 1578, when the Catholic Church established its diocese at Manila, in the Philippines – as a suffragan see of Mexico City, on the other side of the immense Pacific Ocean.
     
    - http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/september-9th-2016/catholicisms-incredible-growth-story/

    The Catholic church is as big as any company in America.

    The Pope owns 51% of General Motors
    And the stock exchange is the only thing he’s qualified to quote us

    From the rousing, kind of forgotten George Harrison song. Ok, so it’s not true. It’s fake but accurate.

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  161. @Diversity Heretic
    I suspect that Democrats hit upon the strategy as a response to Nixon's southern strategy. The Democratic coalition that elected FDR, Harry Truman and even JFK and Lyndon Johnson bears only a passing resemblance to the Democratic coalition of today.

    I suspect that Democrats hit upon the strategy as a response to Nixon’s southern strategy.

    The Democrats have always been about finding new, poor immigrants to keep their share of the vote high. The descendants of immigrants tend to segue towards voting Republican, even if this takes many decades. The last great surge of Italians, after decades of high Italian immigration, was in the 10′s. By 1970, the Italian vote was split 50-50, despite being reliably Democratic for the prior decades.

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  162. Thea says:
    @FKA Max
    As long as American Catholics keep donating to the Church and its charities, keep sending their children to Catholic schools/universities, keep going to Catholic hospitals, and keep putting the Church as beneficiary of their charitable remainder trusts, etc. I don't think the RCC is too terribly concerned about how observant or not American Catholics are. The less observant, rich American Catholics might in fact give more generously to the Church due to feelings of guilt for not being observant/devout enough, or to get better heavenly real estate, etc.

    The Church has never truly been a spiritual entity, but mainly an earthly power, in my opinion. It is the oldest and biggest globalized, tax-exempt corporation/organization on the planet. Just as Israel's prosperity and power would be greatly diminished without the support of rich American Jews, so would the RCC's without the resources of rich American Catholics. The more American Catholics there are the more political and military power and financial resources the Vatican will have/gain.


    The United States of America is the Vatican’s golden goose:

    Earthly concerns
    The Catholic church is as big as any company in America. Bankruptcy cases have shed some light on its finances and their mismanagement

    http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

    The American church may account for as much as 60% of the global institution’s wealth. Little surprise, then, that it is the biggest contributor to head office (ahead of Germany, Italy and France). Everything from renovations to St Peter’s Basilica in Rome to the Pontifical Gregorian University, the church’s version of West Point, is largely paid for with American money.

    Where that money comes from is hard to say (the church does not release numbers on this either). Some of it is from the offerings of the faithful. Anecdotal evidence suggests that America’s Catholics give about $10 per week on average. Assuming that one-third attend church regularly, that would put the annual offertory income at around $13 billion. More comes from elite groups of large donors such as the Papal Foundation, based in Pennsylvania, whose 138 members pledge to donate at least $1m annually, and Legatus, a group of more than 2,000 Catholic business leaders that was founded by Tom Monaghan of Domino’s Pizza.
     

    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1869494

    The Church has an excellent claim to have invented globalisation, and that goes far towards explaining just why its numbers are actually booming. Throughout history there had been so many so-called “world empires” which in reality were mainly confined to Eurasia. Only in the 16th century did the Spanish and Portuguese empires truly span the globe. For me, true globalisation began in 1578, when the Catholic Church established its diocese at Manila, in the Philippines – as a suffragan see of Mexico City, on the other side of the immense Pacific Ocean.
     
    - http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/september-9th-2016/catholicisms-incredible-growth-story/

    Those numbers are very interesting. I did not realize how financially dependent the Vatican is on Americans.

    I grew up Catholic but converted to a Protestant sect. There is still something about it, maybe nostalgia, that pulls me in sometimes.

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    I grew up Catholic but converted to a Protestant sect. There is still something about it, maybe nostalgia, that pulls me in sometimes.
     
    Thea, Michael Corleone had the same problem as you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-IkWpm7TS0


    (That was before the "Pope" was a Commie, however.)
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  163. Olorin says:
    @Hibernian
    Sled dog.

    Interesting. I don’t associate mushing with Quebec at all. So I looked it up thanks to you.

    I’ll be dayumed.

    http://www.defitaiga.ca/

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  164. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    The idea of an “American” who can’t speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    An invader.

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  165. EriK says:
    @Karl
    91 Brutusale > He hasn’t been back nor does he want to

    I don't think you really know what he privately really thinks.

    To my knowledge, the Cambodia of 2017 is rather safer to be in than the southern California of 2017. And a western social-security annuity puts you in the top 10% of folks

    If he gets widowed, he will go back there to get a 23-year-old second wife. Almost guarantee that.

    You do know that when you reply t0 a comment that the helpful Unz comment system provides a link the comment to which you are replying? Don’t you?

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  166. @Thea
    Those numbers are very interesting. I did not realize how financially dependent the Vatican is on Americans.

    I grew up Catholic but converted to a Protestant sect. There is still something about it, maybe nostalgia, that pulls me in sometimes.

    I grew up Catholic but converted to a Protestant sect. There is still something about it, maybe nostalgia, that pulls me in sometimes.

    Thea, Michael Corleone had the same problem as you:

    (That was before the “Pope” was a Commie, however.)

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  167. Brutusale says:
    @snorlax
    The Chinese are actually one of the more right-leaning (or at least pro-law and order) voting blocs in Boston, if transactional about it. Chinatown was covered in Charlie Baker* signs in 2014, after the local BLM went hard after a Chinese cop who shot a black guy.

    *Our RINO/NeverTrump (but best we can realistically get in this state) governor, elected that year.

    “Sorry Charlie” Baker is in the running for the worst vote I ever cast!

    After spending the past 8 months around Cambodians, Vietnamese and Chinese workers, my opinion of the Chinese has hit a new low. Mendacity is their default setting.

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    He's killed (with veto threats) both the illegal alien drivers' licenses and "sanctuary state" legislation, as well as DeLeo's attempt to cancel the mandatory tax cut in favor of a massive EITC welfare increase, all of which and worse Marsha would've signed.

    He's disappointed me as well even relatively to my low expectations, but he's still vastly preferable to the alternative.
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  168. FLgeezer says:
    @Rob McX

    The report is a follow on to one that found 67 percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can’t speak much English.
     
    The idea of an "American" who can't speak English sounds ridiculous. What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    >What kind of person stays in a country for 15 years without gaining a proper knowledge of the language?

    Nearly everyone in Miami-Dade County.

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  169. Brutusale says:
    @Karl
    91 Brutusale > He hasn’t been back nor does he want to

    I don't think you really know what he privately really thinks.

    To my knowledge, the Cambodia of 2017 is rather safer to be in than the southern California of 2017. And a western social-security annuity puts you in the top 10% of folks

    If he gets widowed, he will go back there to get a 23-year-old second wife. Almost guarantee that.

    I don’t know about you, but returning to a place where 80% of my family was murdered may not be a trip I’d want to take.

    He met his wife when they were both shopping at their local Khmer market near Boston.

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  170. snorlax says:
    @Brutusale
    "Sorry Charlie" Baker is in the running for the worst vote I ever cast!

    After spending the past 8 months around Cambodians, Vietnamese and Chinese workers, my opinion of the Chinese has hit a new low. Mendacity is their default setting.

    He’s killed (with veto threats) both the illegal alien drivers’ licenses and “sanctuary state” legislation, as well as DeLeo’s attempt to cancel the mandatory tax cut in favor of a massive EITC welfare increase, all of which and worse Marsha would’ve signed.

    He’s disappointed me as well even relatively to my low expectations, but he’s still vastly preferable to the alternative.

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    True that, but I still am tired unto death voting for the "less repugnant" than "good".

    Massachusetts has a lot to recommend it, but the quickening flow of colored/foreign folk working their way into my area has me rethinking things. My brother was up from FL recently, doing some drone stuff at Amazon's local facility, and he commented that he never thought he'd see the day when he noticed more minorities where I live than where he lives!
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  171. Brutusale says:
    @snorlax
    He's killed (with veto threats) both the illegal alien drivers' licenses and "sanctuary state" legislation, as well as DeLeo's attempt to cancel the mandatory tax cut in favor of a massive EITC welfare increase, all of which and worse Marsha would've signed.

    He's disappointed me as well even relatively to my low expectations, but he's still vastly preferable to the alternative.

    True that, but I still am tired unto death voting for the “less repugnant” than “good”.

    Massachusetts has a lot to recommend it, but the quickening flow of colored/foreign folk working their way into my area has me rethinking things. My brother was up from FL recently, doing some drone stuff at Amazon’s local facility, and he commented that he never thought he’d see the day when he noticed more minorities where I live than where he lives!

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  172. @StillCARealist
    I watched that movie on Amazon Prime, since it was free, and I had to block the images out of my head afterwards. Cheap lives and wanton killing, I wonder how honestly it depicted Mexico.

    Still, years ago that was Columbia in reality.

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  173. @J1234
    Our local school board wants (and, unfortunately, will get) more money, in part because half of the growth in our district's student population is made up of kids who can't speak English. And immigrants aren't costing us anything, they say.

    A lot of school funding is tied to the number of ESL students and the number of students receiving free lunches.

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  174. Last year there was was multiple stabbing in Chicago’s Chinatown. Funny thing was it wasn’t Asians, it was Mexicans. Apparently, Mexicans had come to ‘merica to be stabbed and killed by fellow Mexicans while in the employ of Chinese.

    https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161123/chinatown/no-bail-for-man-charged-fatal-chinatown-stabbing

    As I tell relatives, they could have stayed in Mexico if they wanted to be stabbed by Mexicans.

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  175. @snorlax
    The Chinese are actually one of the more right-leaning (or at least pro-law and order) voting blocs in Boston, if transactional about it. Chinatown was covered in Charlie Baker* signs in 2014, after the local BLM went hard after a Chinese cop who shot a black guy.

    *Our RINO/NeverTrump (but best we can realistically get in this state) governor, elected that year.

    Chicago’s Chinatown used have all sorts Taiwanese flags but apparently in the past few decades all the recent immigrants are PRC. You see all sorts of PRC flag bits here and there when visiting.

    That’s why amazingly enough, following the 9/11 attack, Wentworth in Chinatown burst forth with American flags – a nation at war showing solidarity.

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    It's my understanding that even the Kuomintang has given up, except in a pro forma sense, on the idea of Chinese reunification under RoC (Taiwanese) control. So that may have dampened enthusiasm among the diaspora.

    But yes, Chinese newcomers do seem to be mainly PRC-nationalist, especially the nonimmigrants (that is, students, expats and absentee real estate buyers).
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  176. @Buffalo Joe
    Harry, twice my beloved daughters have gifted me with new I-phones and twice I have returned them, the phones not my girls. My current phone is a metallic orange version of my basic black one. My youngest bought for me on line. I once dropped my original one in a gallon of paint, cleaned it off with mineral spirts...good as new, kind of Charles Bronson good looking.

    …kind of Charles Bronson good looking

    Just like you, eh?

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  177. @Karl
    what are the common-law writs, which would allow an individual American to move the court to forbid issuance of a certificate of naturalization to a named person, for reasons of English-illiteracy, or to have it revoked?

    All “writs” were abolished by the 1938 “Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.” Naturalization is an administrative process handled through the Department of Homeland Security’s Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS).

    It might be possible to sue under the Administrative Procedures Act 5 USC 500-, but generally you have to be a “real party in interest” to be granted “standing” to sue. The real party in interest is usually the person applying for citizenship so the courts probably won’t allow your standing to sue as a third party claiming that parts of the immigration law were not properly followed in accordance with the Administrative Procedures Act.

    At a minimum you could file objections to a citizenship application with the USCIS and they might take than into consideration before granting citizenship.

    Reporting the criminal activity and fraud of a citizen-applicant would definitely get them barred from citizenship especially if they are convicted of a felony. So creating a police and court record of felony criminal convictions should be an automatic bar to citizenship which you should report to the USCIS.

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  178. snorlax says:
    @Joe Stalin
    Chicago's Chinatown used have all sorts Taiwanese flags but apparently in the past few decades all the recent immigrants are PRC. You see all sorts of PRC flag bits here and there when visiting.

    That's why amazingly enough, following the 9/11 attack, Wentworth in Chinatown burst forth with American flags - a nation at war showing solidarity.

    It’s my understanding that even the Kuomintang has given up, except in a pro forma sense, on the idea of Chinese reunification under RoC (Taiwanese) control. So that may have dampened enthusiasm among the diaspora.

    But yes, Chinese newcomers do seem to be mainly PRC-nationalist, especially the nonimmigrants (that is, students, expats and absentee real estate buyers).

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  179. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Karl
    69 anonymous > The majority of servers in Chinese restaurants are not only non US citizens, they probably aren’t even in this nation legally.


    The ==servers== are carefully chosen to be able to put customers at ease.

    Restaurants cannot afford to present a hassle-acious customer-facing experience. There is to much competition right in the same fucking strip mall

    Talk shit all you want about asian restaurants in the USA.... they are the one category which hasn't been completely submerged by national franchising. Ok, MAYBE mexican as well.

    they are the one category which hasn’t been completely submerged by national franchising

    –Diners (esp. in NJ, NY)
    –Italian (okay, maybe my east-coast-ness is showing here)
    –Haute cuisine (of course)
    –Indian
    –Other ethnic stuff here on the East Coast

    Diners used to use plenty of illegal labor, the others not so much.

    That said, why aren’t there franchised Chinese/Asian places?

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