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From the Washington Post:

First, a fast-rising female esports star was threatened. Then she quit. Then she didn’t exist.

By Noah Smith January 6

In December, a minor league esports team thought it had signed a fast-rising, highly ranked female player who played under the nickname of Ellie.

In case you are wondering, eSports is watching other people play video games as a spectator sport. Why you would want to is unexplained. And what exactly is the distinction between “minor league esports” and, presumably, major league esports is beyond me.

As the news of the signing reverberated around the Internet, Ellie shared screen captures of threats from online attackers and less than two weeks later, Overwatch Contenders team Second Wind tweeted that she left the team, “due to some unforeseen reactions.” The circumstances only grew more mysterious from there.

After a few days of online rumbling on Reddit, what seemed like yet another case of toxicity and misogyny in gaming turned into something far stranger, and problematic. Ellie was revealed as a fraud, a fake account operated by a male player posing as a female.

“We found that ‘Ellie’ was a fabricated identity … created by a veteran player to obfuscate their identity,” an Overwatch League spokesperson said.

The hoax reveals the unique challenges esports leagues and teams face as they try to move the sport towards mainstream respectability, as well as progress beyond the longstanding instances and accusations of sexism within the gaming community from both players and game-publishing companies.

In other words, guys are constantly inventing dubious new pastimes, such as professional spectator videogaming, then society gets concerned that not enough women are interested and/or good at it, so demand exceeds supply.

 
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  1. Anon[155] • Disclaimer says:

    Not as funny as ‘gay girl in syria’ which was total ROTFL.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/06/gay-girl-damascus-syria-blog

    • LOL: reactionry
  2. And finally, “Tito” a supposed undocumented phenom of amazing talent from Guatemala, was revealed to be a computer virus that destroyed the fundamental operations of every team in the major league, and the minor league reigned triumphant.

  3. In case you are wondering, eSports is watching other people play video games as a spectator sport. Why you would want to is unexplained.

    The Diamond Minecart has cornered that market for six-year-olds. However, there are plenty of YouTube videos where you can watch kids play with the newest toys. Passive, yes, but much cheaper than buying them yourself.

  4. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon

    I came here to post this. Note the theatrical, baffled tone — these goons will not mention that, far from being an aw-shucks one-off news-of-the-odd story, this is the latest episode in a series of over-reaching establishment-aligned activists getting caught lying. Not only has The Lady Vanished, but she’s like the twelfth one.
    Related: NPR’s the World with Mark O. Wuhrman insistently demands to know if Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will moralistically bother Riyadh about Khaashaqji, who was recently revealed to everybody except Mr Mark to be a spy for Qatar.

  5. @Anon

    Your link at first leapfrogged that story, but the rabbit hole took me to this wonderful headline:

    Canada: truck driver in hockey bus crash that killed 16 pleads guilty
    Jaskirat Singh Sidhu pleads guilty to multiple dangerous driving counts over April crash in rural Saskatchewan

    • Replies: @reactionry
    , @Hodag
    , @a reader
  6. Here is my frank discussion on the cycle of subculture creations

    1: A small group of awkward smart men get together and make up something. Largely get mocked and ignored by culture.

    2: After awhile more and more “average” men begin to get involved in at as well.

    3: Money, fame, and women begin to enter the subculture.

    4: A small group of “independent” women enter the scene. Mostly welcomed but a lot of the awkward men push back against this for good and bad reasons.

    5: Media pretends that minorities who aren’t interested in the subculture were excluded and makes ineffective pushes to get more of them in (if it’s a black subculture then whites are typically interested in it, their challenge is keeping it black)

    6: Women writ large somewhat get involved in the community which cements the subculture as mainstream.

    7: Awkward smart guys, once again outcast, begin to create anew.

    Now plug in rock n roll, computers, and video games into my cycle and tell me that doesn’t sound familiar!!!!!!!!!

    • Agree: jim jones, Abe
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    , @SFG
    , @dr kill
  7. Anonymous[411] • Disclaimer says:

    This is related to Watsoning. Men are not standing up to the victim classes and saying “BULLSHIT.”

    It’s the matriarchy that demands more female representation. In a normal healthy society there is very little matriarchy but when men retreat the void will be filled.

    When you don’t call someone out on their bullshit (and demonstrate that you’re immune to it) then the bullshit increases to infinity.

    This is the social dynamic going on right now between men and the so-called victim classes. There are signs that this era is peaking but northern Europeans are genetically suited as hosts for aggressive aliens so get ready for a lot more nonsense.

    For now the psycho bitches, crazy trannies, obnoxious blacks, Jews, Muslims absolutely rule this society.

  8. J.Ross says: • Website


    Of course, the fault lies with anyone who does not already reflexively assume that people claiming to be Asiatic lesbians online are men.

  9. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    Scarlett Hostyn, the Canadian esports star, just transitioned to female to solve her problem.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  10. Lot says:

    Lion of the Blogosphere created a “Libertarian Girl” blog that very quickly eclipsed his own earnest efforts.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060428005655/http://libertariangirl.typepad.com:80/my_weblog/2005/02/if_it_werent_fo.html

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Anon
  11. Lot says:
    @Lot

    Completely timeless:

    “One thing I learned from this blog is how easy attractive woman have it. When I had a blog as my real self, no one linked to me, no one left any comments, it was as if the blog existed in a vacuum. But things were different for Libertarian Girl. Every day I’d check Technorati and discover new unsolicited links. It was like I had warped into an alternate universe where all the rules had changed. At the rate things were happening, this would have been an A-list blog in a few more months.

    It’s funny how there have been some posts in the blogosphere saying that the political blogosphere was a boys club that discriminated against women, as evidenced by how few politics bloggers were women. Boy were they completely off the mark. It’s ten times easier for a woman’s blog to become popular.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anon
  12. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    There are companies like this in Japan that put together esports teams. The career of a competitor is shockingly short, just a few years until they can no longer keep up. Companies will employ some of these washed up players as coaches to help the younger kids with training and tactics.

    Being a female esports competitor is kind of a scam, at least in Japan. You need a certain level of skill, but beyond that nobody cares if you win anything: it’s all based on how cute you are. They sign with talent agents and polish their singing skills, or try to get commercial sponsorships.

  13. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    Show bob, show vergana. I rap you tomorrow. Are you single?

  14. Hail says: • Website

    OT:

    Brian Kolfage, the paraplegic veteran behind the GoFundMe to build the Wall (339,000 contributors, $20.24 million raised), has set up a 501(c)(4) called WeBuildTheWall.

    WeBuildTheWall will use the accumulated and still-steadily-incoming donation money to privately construct portions of the wall.

    This “citizens’ auxiliary wall-construction force” will IMO be good for morale.

    UPDATE: January 11, 2019

    To show the government how “We the People” can get this done, we have formed a Section 501(c)(4) non-profit Florida Corporation named “We Build the Wall, Inc.” to receive the GoFundMe contributions. Our website can be found at http://www.webuildthewall.us

    Our team strongly believes that we can complete our segments of the wall for less than half of the government’s estimated costs on a per mile basis.

    Their list of board members shows a mix of big-name immigration patriots and military rounded out by good-for-‘optics’ young female Fox News types:

    – Brigadier General Dr. Robert S. Spalding III;
    – Industrialist John Daniel Moran, Jr.;
    – Ex-Navy SEAL and businessman Erik Prince;
    – Former Secretary of State of Kansas Kris Kobach;
    – Law enforcement and immigration expert Sheriff David Clarke;
    – Fox news contributor and border security expert Sara A. Carter;
    – Former Colorado Congressman and presidential candidate Tom Tancredo;
    – Media consultant and journalist Jennifer Lawrence

  15. In case you are wondering, eSports is watching other people play video games as a spectator sport.

    Revenge of the Nerds. How many drone pilots and so forth are highly skilled gamers? Anyway, the fact that video games are becoming big-money beyond the home consumer market means these nerds converted their nerdy interests into market value as a mate.

    Women do develop intricate highly-specialized obsessions involving esoteric knowledge and abstruse skills, like fashion and makeup and potions and serums. These things are big money, too, but don’t have much use to the military industrial complex.

    Is that a generalization? Yes it is. I did not account for the male makeup consumer or female video game dorkwad.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  16. DFH says:

    Why you would want to is unexplained

    Odd comment from someone who watches baseball

    • Replies: @Chase
    , @rocko
  17. Lot says:
    @Hail

    The board is reassuring. I feared it would be another gofundme scam.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    , @Hail
  18. @Reg Cæsar

    More “That’s Not Huey Are”

    While finishing up a dreadful post (orig. for another thread, but now have an excuse to inflict it here) today I Googled an assertion that with respect to “Singh,” it was “… adopted by the Sikhs in 1699, as per the instructions of Guru Gobind Singh. Singh is used by all baptized male Sikhs, regardless of their geographical or cultural binding” and that “The Singh surname derives from the Sanskrit simha**, meaning ‘lion.’ So, one could say, “Good Griffe, Charlize Brown!” and imagine some Dorothy Parker-type prodigy opining that if every Lion’s Paw, Isaac Newton and Huey Newton attending the Yale Prom were laid end to end, she would not be at all surprised.

    That “hockey bus crash “* and for that matter, the 2012 shootings at the Sikh temple (gurdwara) in Oak Creek, Wisconsin and various and sundry other Singh killings were horrific, not laughing matters and not who we are. Nonetheless, they could conjure images of a National Lampoon-ish Proto-Pepe amputee ala “That’s not funny, that’s Sikh.”
    https://www.google.com/search?q=national+lampoon+%22that%27s+not+funny+that%27s+sick%22&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjm9IeEsOffAhVJ8IMKHX4-CfUQ_AUIDygC&biw=1134&bih=781#imgrc=P7xyUEk-o7CmYM:

    Yep, might go to Hell for that one – or perhaps worse yet, get reincarnated in India

    * hockey bus crash – should ask La Griffe du Lion (not Mark Steyn) if (the grifter?) Michael Mann should “plead guilty” to misuse of a virtual hockey stick.
    ** simha Sanskrit/Swahili cognate – Simba?
    nope https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/26298/are-simba-bantu-and-simha-indic-related
    And what of Simchat/Simhat Torah? – nah, too many bad puns just about write themselves here and this post is chock-a-schlock full enough already

    • Replies: @reactionry
  19. Tyrion 2 says:

    OT, but genuine and attractive woman Tulsi Gabbard announces for 2020. Any politician who is anti-war because they are pro their compatriot soldiers cannot be all bad, and certainly no SJW type.

    First Samoan, first Hindu, first non-Christian, first woman, first Indian first from Hawaii and first good looking President?

    “Criticism” from Twitter:

    No doubt she has some blue cred. However, there are many other candidates who have similar cred but don’t have Gabbard’s baggage related to being pro-Putin, pro-Assad, pro-Hindu nationalist, and anti-refugee (just to name a few).

  20. David says:
    @Hail

    If you donated through gofundme, you have to confirm via a few clicks that you agree to your donation being transferred to the new 501(c). Otherwise your donation will be refunded to you.

  21. They’ve come for Frank Mentzer, arguably the man whom, with Gygax, Arneson, and Moldvay was most responsible for developing Dungeons & Dragons, and the man who was most responsible for the line of the game that developed parallel to Advanced Dungeons & Dragons.

    He got me-tooed by some nobody female project manager who published ostensibly Problematic texts they exchanged years ago. She made her stink just as her career basically petered out and just as Mentzer was working to launch a big product via KickStarter (the project had other, unrelated problems, but nevermind).

    So a legend in his late sixties, hailed nearly universally by everyone who has known him and worked with him for decades as a sweet, avuncular old guy with no pretensions who will appear at any convention, play with any person, sign any autograph, and give any interview (apparently he even would help with charities like folks using rôle-playing to help kids with social anxiety, problems with literacy, etc.) – this guy is now Unpersoned because some uppity female decided his saying she was beautiful and if he were only thirty years younger….

    Now, I’m not saying it’s utterly impossibly his remarks were meant not as harmless compliments (my gentlemanly father said stuff like that All The Time to pretty young waitresses who thought the world of him as their favourite regular) – I’m not saying it’s not utterly impossible the guy lives a double life as a dirty old man or whatever, but even if the remarks were not meant jokingly and in a bit of fun raillery, they don’t rise to the level of anything more than, at most, deserving of a reomnstration to be more reserved and professional. Instead, he is Unpersoned.

    I hope it’s not too far afield a topic, but I don’t think Steve follows that hobby, and it is very fitting of any interest of his in the phenomenon of evil harridans invading primarily male mileus and maliciously destroying male heroes in those mileus.

    People here write about “naming the Joo” so I hereby name the female dog, but N.B. the gory details presented are her version of events alone; more can be easily researched for the interested:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/delafina777/status/920489843821486080

  22. @Tyrion 2

    Kamala 2020

    Mark my words: It’s coming, and consequences will never be the same….

  23. @reactionry

    [talking to myself; do that a lot]

    “Leapfrogged” is not who we are.
    -Pepe

    (will take a “hobbling hop” outta’ here to find some “sanctuary”/”sanctuaried” – don’t want to get more people pithed off )

  24. Trevor H. says:
    @Lot

    What’s more, it’s become big and important enough that GoFundMe won’t be able to shut it down and seize the funds without repercussions. And you know they want to, on the grounds of stirring up anti-immigrant fervor and other naughty things.

  25. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    When will Robert Smith and the guys in Kiss start being harangued for appropriating the female space of back-combing and make-up?

    Trick question: Never, because they are rockstars and they make women tingle, so they are allowed to. It’s only ever the guys who are otherwise Undesirable (unassuming or socially awkward young men playing videogames or Dungeons & Dragons or whatever) who must be punished for not being Chad Thundercock.

    Although the previous point that rock ‘n’ roll wasn’t always tingly, just as technology wasn’t cool until Steve Jobs made it into shiny Veblen goods that made tingles without the need to understand Ohm’s law. There is indeed a cycle and progression to the phenomenon. I grew up playing Dungeons & Dragons. I was there. Now females my age and older swear they are huge fans of the hobby and always have been because Steven Colbert and Vin Diesel are. It’s the female conformity that occurs both en masse and with individuals. (Spoken words: “You like Jack Vance and skiing? Me too!! Oh my gawd!” | Actual thoughts: “Who the Hell is Jack Vance? I can’t stand being out in the cold. But damn, this guy is gorgeous and he’s a physician!”)

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  26. Hail says: • Website
    @Lot

    The prestige of these big names (more coming?) could also boost donations.

    I see nothing but good coming from this citizen-funded wall construction force. Daily in the news? Dood for morale and for pressure on T from the right.

    Well done, Brian Kolfage. Goes to show, they can take a man’s legs but, not his spirit.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  27. clyde says:

    ESports….lol…what a joke. You pay to watch dooods play video games.

  28. Kyle says:

    “seemed like yet another case of toxicity and misogyny in gaming turned into something far stranger, and problematic. ”
    Hahahahhahahahahahahhahaha!!!!!!

    What could be more troubling than toxic trash talk directed towards poor Ellie? If Ellie was actually a man, gasp! This is just another example of why men’s spaces must be shut down and made to be more inclusive for women. And minorities. What exactly is sexism and inclusivity supposed to mean. Is pwning a girl player and getting multiple head shots on them proof of endemic sexism in gaming? Or is it only sexism if you call them a pussy afterwards? The next question would be which are these women more upset about, being called a pussy, or getting pwned with head shots.

  29. @J.Ross

    Obviously,Wuhrman is another Qatari operator, duh! Or” maybe he really IS that stupid”.

  30. Anon[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    One thing I learned from this blog is how easy attractive woman have it.

    I used to use this trick in support forums when I had a technical question about some software. I chose a black female given name. This was before intersectionality was the thing, but intuitively I knew that I’d get guys jumping over all over themselves competing to answer me with such a name.

    • LOL: BB753
  31. El Dato says:
    @J.Ross

    who was recently revealed to everybody except Mr Mark to be a spy for Qatar.

    … which of course makes it ok to dismember him in a show that Tarantino would like have on tape in his cellar cinema. Because Qatar is like, Satan. For some reason.

    I wonder whether Saudis continue to drop wads of cash for such public service announcements?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  32. El Dato says:

    This is like a discussion from the last century.

    All-women teams exist in “e-Sports”, like, you know, forever:

    Personally played against someone who must have been 14 in the early 2000s. I was getting pwned. Damned kids.

  33. Hodag says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    1. Ethnic Sihks have taken to over the road trucking much like the Patel clan/caste have taken to small hotel owning.

    By and large Sihks do not cause much trouble and in college it was a lot of fun throwing their magic red shoes in a tree.

    2. I will watch women’s sports if the participants are attractive or, golf-wise, the course is good. I attended the first US Senior Women’s Open at Chicago Golf Club this last summer. You could walk the course without ropes and I met up with a few other architecture nerds. Good times.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  34. George says:

    So why hasn’t there ever been a female version of Laurel and Hardy?

    Maybe there’s something about women being funny together that male comedy impresarios don’t like – or think we won’t

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/12/female-laurel-hardy-comedy-duo

    In other news, anti-invade-the-world/female/Hindu/Polynesian quadroon/military veteran/surfer/personal pronouns she-her Tulsi Gabbard has announced for President. Numbers USA gives her an F on immigration, but then again she represents an island in the Pacific. Fun fact: wikipedia claims she was born in Leloaloa, American Samoa which from google maps appears to be a beach.

    Her father State Senator Mike Gabbard founded the nonprofit Stop Promoting Homosexuality America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gabbard

  35. Jake says:

    So we are supposed to be worried, angered, that some guys fake being chicks to play esports, but at the same time we are supposed to declare it the most normal of normals that some guys pretend to be chicks to play actual sports. or recieve chick affirmative action, or just to no longer be hated for being the evil white male.

    Or, worst of all perhaps, to get in on that fashionable lesbian thing that has lots of writhing chicks.

  36. @Reg Cæsar

    Remember when being indoors was for punishment? Kids only know the sickly blue glow of the Telescreen in the dark; the sky is a mystery to them. It’s got to affect everything – pineal gland, waistline, type II diabetes, sensory-based intelligence, emotions . . . and adults who never look away from one glowing screen or another mystify me. Do they really forget? Is the Matrix in full effect?

  37. BB753 says:

    My rule of thumb is ‘always assume that everybody on the Internet is a man”.

  38. njguy73 says:
    @Hail

    – Media consultant and journalist Jennifer Lawrence

    That’s some lady named Jennifer L. Lawrence. Not Jennifer Shrader Lawrence.

  39. bomag says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Looks to be a female version of Hussein Obama: little executive experience; always in the public sector; earlier support for traditional positions has “evolved”; enthralled with her exotic past (took an oath of office on a Hindu text).

    May well be the resume du jour.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  40. I think some of the games themselves are actually quite interesting (StarCraft for example is a fun SciFi strategy game that you can play individually “against the computer” or individually or in teams against other players online) and I can see it becoming much more mainstream (if not exactly getting the Monday Night Football treatment) IF they can make it understandable to an average fan (most of the videos on youTube are nearly unwatchable because the current crop of commentators is catering only to current fans who are hardcore gamers and understand all their in-jokes and terminology). Honestly though I’d welcome a new “sport” that seems more geared to intellectual and cooperative kids.

    On the whole it seems like it’s been a really long time since we got another big “sport.” A few years back it seemed like Professional Paintball had a shot at becoming a “thing” (there was a professional league that was broadcast on ESPN2) but it seems to have mostly disappeared. There was also (quite a few years ago now) an attempt to bring Roller Derby back with a professional league that aired on what is now Spike, as well as a sport I remember being called SlamBall (?) that involves a combination of basketball and giant trampolines.

  41. JimB says:

    In other words, [white] guys are constantly inventing dubious new pastimes…

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  42. El Dato says:
    @Hail

    > Ex-Navy SEAL and businessman Erik Prince;

    Isn’t that the guy behind the modern-day Praetorian Guard?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  43. Altai says:

    This is the thing that never made sense about the narrative around ‘GamerGate’, the gaming community largely exists online and people’s race or ethnicity is completely hidden. It’s not even a case of it being ‘racist’ or not, how do you discriminate against people you can’t see?

    And that’s before you get into the idea of nerds and geeks being ‘racist’ or ‘sexist’. Prior to being targeted and betrayed by people they saw as allies, they were largely indifferent or pro ‘diversity’. I think that’s what made it so impossible to go back, they were accused of something they didn’t have a single inclination towards. It was such an own goal.

  44. I enjoy esports while TV sports bore me to death.
    First, because it’s something that I can actually play, so I understand better the skill and the strategy of professional players than with a sport that I never played, or the last time I played I was in college. I can also use the stuff I see in my own games.
    Second, nerdy east asian and white boys make almost the entirety of the player base and that’s fine by me. Society would be a better place if we stopped worshipping thugs for their athletic prowess. That’s how we end up will all these campus rapes.

  45. @Hail

    Eric Prince is the founder of Blackwater, brother of Betsy DeVos.

  46. snorlax says:
    @Hail

    – Media consultant and journalist Jennifer Lawrence

    Is JLaw replacing TSwift?!

  47. El Dato says:
    @Tyrion 2

    sounds good

    hindu nationalism is icing on the cake

    didnt the US sign a special nuclear power development effort understanding with India back under Bush WWW, liberating resources for nuke R&D?

  48. snorlax says:
    @Tyrion 2

    She recently decided to be pro-war, because Trump.

    • Replies: @George
  49. @Tyrion 2

    Franklin Pierce was a reasonably handsome man.

    • Replies: @Erik L
  50. @Anon

    Scarlett was entered in the Guinness Book of Records as “highest career earnings for a female competitive video game player” on October 5, 2016.[12]

    Forbes named Scarlett one of the most powerful women in international sports in 2018. [13]

    Chalk another one up for “Men are better than women at everything — even at being women.”

  51. In case you are wondering, eSports is watching other people play video games as a spectator sport. Why you would want to is unexplained.

    I’ve never heard of this “sport” but I can understand why one would watch. I’ve briefly watched friends play, and it could be interesting enough for some to watch as they would a movie. I played D&D in the early 80’s. However, even though I ran a character, I mostly was along to listen to the story being told. And how it played out. With minimal involvement beyond making basic plays with my character.

    Then there was the side chatter which could be entertaining.

  52. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s easy.

    Major league is what Kaepernik used do, in order to get paid.

    Minor league is where you volunteered in order to get in college and / or through college. It’s the sort of competition where the American elites used to send their children, in order to pretend they are also great sportspeople and forces of nature, while successfully dodging games against the abled, as if it were the draft.

    Why would anyone want to see esports? The answer is the same as why Americans watch college sports – too much time on their hand, due to too low taxes. Sports watching is not likely occupation in China or India, where a majority has to work. In contrast, in America, the passion for the special olympics culminates with March madness, where everybody delights in seeing people who couldn’t make, but “may make it soon”.

    Also, FYI, esports are electronic sports, the sort you actually play, not merely watch. Again, your White-in-college sports experience lets you down. Here, you have to click and keypress as soon and as smart as you can. Overwatch is a shooter game, not your track team from high school.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  53. Abe says: • Website
    @Anon

    Steve covered this at the time! To paraphrase our great host (and one of my favorite iSteve lines ever) – “on the Internet no one knows you’re a hot lesbian Syrian warblogger”.

  54. TWS says:
    @Anon

    That dude used to hang out on a politics and history group I was part of. He’d have a story that related to being Moslem, lesbian or female for everything. One time he insisted his ,’Muslim brother’ was constantly being targeted by people with dogs to drive them because he was Muslim.

    He even scammed wedding and baby gifts from people. He was a lying sack which made it clear to me none of the reporting from the mena could be trusted.

  55. George says:
    @snorlax

    “She recently decided to be pro-war, because Trump.” Good both parties will nominate someone anti war. Actually with Warren and Gabbard sounding anti invade the world it will make it difficult for Kamala Harris and ancient pale males to avoid the issue in the primaries.

    Nov ’16: Democrat Rep. Tulsi Gabbard defends her visit with Trump

    Gabbard, a Democrat, said in a statement the meeting was about the nation’s policies regarding Syria, fighting terrorism and other foreign policy challenges. She did not say whether they talked about a position for her in his administration.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-gabbard-trump-visit-20161121-story.html

    Feb ’16: Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard Steps Down From DNC, Endorses Bernie Sanders

    https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/congresswoman-endorses-bernie-sanders-steps-down-dnc-n527481

    Children Breakdown: Warren 2, Gabbard 0 but still youngish, Harris 2 stepchildren, Biden 4 /2 baby mamas, O’Rourke 3.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    , @snorlax
  56. @Tyrion 2

    Tyrion, Sigh, so add Gabbard to Harris and Warren and now NY’s Gillibrand to the list of dem presidential candidates. I’m sure Hillary will also announce giving the left a buffet of woman candidates.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  57. @Tyrion 2

    Oh, look, incels and boomers idolizing a Gyppo for her “beauty”. Over the last decade, a few hundred thousands Tulsies and Vindals left Romania for Western Europe. I am looking forward to the day the Brits will elect one as… well, anything.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  58. @The Real Jackson Houston

    So you’re saying that it’s all cyclical and that history repeats itself? Who knew?

    Seriously though, you can scale up or scale down your observation and see the same core dynamic. The grownups create something, let the kiddies take over, fail to assert control over the kiddies, it all turns to shit and the grownups have to build something all over again. It’s like the fundamental constant of humanity.

  59. @Hodag

    What are the Sikh magic red shoes? That Sikh guy reminds me of some well-known person, but I can’t quite figure out who, exactly.

  60. @Tyrion 2

    I don’t think there’s any Indian in her. She’s of Samoan descent, and her dad belonged to some hawaiian Hare Krishna-ish new-agey cult led by a self-styled ’70s guru named Chris Butler.

    I notice that the comments on Washington Post articles about Tulsi Gabbard usually have an avalanche of trollish, unhinged sounding comments painting her as a wacko. Maybe there’s a counter-cult that hates her guts.

  61. SFG says:
    @The Real Jackson Houston

    Agree wholeheartedly, and this raises a huge question IMHO.

    Why is this not cultural appropriation?

    The whole thing came about (and I do have to admit this) because white rock stars were using songs written by black musicians back in the 50s and not giving them credit. This then got extended to ridiculous things like white people performing yoga, kung fu, and wearing hoop earrings.

    So why is it OK when, say, minorities and women invade something like science fiction and video games and computers in general originally created by white guys, to the point of driving the guys out, whereas we all know if the reverse happened, it would be horrible.

    Women in video gaming are performing cultural appropriation. Say it loud!

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @snorlax
  62. SFG says:
    @SFG

    I’m replying to my own comment because this is going to need its own thread. 😉

    At some point someone’s going to complain that a lot of the original comic book guys were Jewish. This is actually true–(((Stan Lee))) made a lot of the original Marvel characters even if he did rip off Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby for a lot of stuff (or at least was smarter about publicity and marketing…this is a sore spot with comic book fans from what I know). Superman was created by (((Joe Shuster))) and (((Jerry Siegel))). Batman was created by (((Bob Kane))) and (((Bill Finger))). Wonder Woman, on the other hand, was created by the WASP Harvard-educated (back when these things went together) William Moulton Marston (who wanted to create a female superhero so boys would submit to loving female authority, and snuck bondage plotlines into his early comics–I am not making this up).

    Even in scifi you had (((Asimov))) together Clarke and Heinlein as the big three of scifi’s early days.

    You can argue about what this means and how it should affect your views on non-nerd cultural appropriation–was it Jews polluting white minds with degenerate filth? (I’d argue Batman and Superman were good all-American heroes, though Marvel always leaned left of DC. And comic books are about the last places anyone still believes in right and wrong these days, or at least admits to it.) Gentiles appropriating Jewish creations? The reverse, as with Ditko and Kirby? (But a lot of the creators, Jewish and not, did really well off their creations.) Keep in mind nobody thought a movie with Spiderman was going to be a blockbuster in 1960.

    Anyway, argue away. 🙂

    • Replies: @snorlax
  63. One of my high school buddies was an All American Five-Tooler – we all thought it was only a matter of time before he’d make it to the show.

    Turns out he just didn’t have the thumbs for it.

  64. BenKenobi says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    While I wouldn’t be interested in watching (for example) a Korean Starcraft tournament, I certainly find speedrunning in all its variants quite intriguing.

    To illustrate, here’s a world record play through of Super Mario Bros 2. I could do this in about 20 minutes, but 8:52 is an insanely good time.

  65. @PiltdownMan

    Every terrorist plastered on the news for the past twenty years or so? That’s probably the root of the vague familiarity and sense of fame.

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  66. snorlax says:
    @SFG

    You mean (((Jack Kirby))). A shonda for the goyim!

  67. Paul Rise says:
    @PiltdownMan

    It’s the bots and troll farms that Team Clinton deployed in 2008 and 2016. She is running again and trashing any candidate who might oppose her.

    Also, the guy video gamer should have just identified as a woman. Problem solved!

  68. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:

    In case you are wondering, eSports is watching other people play video games as a spectator sport. Why you would want to is unexplained. And what exactly is the distinction between “minor league esports” and, presumably, major league esports is beyond me.

    I’d say (as a young fellow and an Overwatch player, though not a watcher of eSports) that it’s for some of the same reasons that older guys sit on their butts and spend hours watching football, basketball or certain combat sports: There’s a certain sort of reflected/osmotic glory that people seem to subconsciously believe will accrue to them by being fans of successful people/teams.

    You, personally, might not be very good at playing football, boxing, basketball, or for that matter playing Widowmaker in Overwatch. But, hey, if you watch someone who’s really good, and know a lot of random information about them, isn’t that almost as cool as actually being good at something yourself?

    Sidenote: Something you might find interesting about the video game in question that, while of course the highest levels of play are completely male dominated, there is actually a surprisingly non-trivial female component of the player base. A widely-held and no doubt accurate stereotype is that female players overwhelmingly play characters whose job is to heal their teammates, as opposed to killing enemies.

  69. @Reg Cæsar

    Why do people watch sportsball? Speaking of which, Dak Prescott is the last remaining “Black” QB in the NFL playoffs. Of course, he is > 50% White and he stands for the flag. I’m assuming his white momma had no African in her and his sperm daddy was not 100% African.

  70. @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Dang, forgot about Mahomes. My bad. Another greater than 50% White dude.

    • Replies: @Kyle
  71. prosa123 says:
    @George

    “Children Breakdown: Warren 2, Gabbard 0 but still youngish, Harris 2 stepchildren, Biden 4 /2 baby mamas, O’Rourke 3.”

    Also, Gillibrand 2.

  72. @PiltdownMan

    I notice that the comments on Washington Post articles about Tulsi Gabbard usually have an avalanche of trollish, unhinged sounding comments painting her as a wacko. Maybe there’s a counter-cult that hates her guts.

    I don’t see any of her expressed positions as more wacko than the positions of lefties they’re celebrating now as the future of the Democratic party (i.e. AOC).

    I think what some might not like about her is that she doesn’t seem motivated by hate or resentment, so she doesn’t come off to a die hard lefty as a real warrior for the cause. Hawaii has always been a minority-majority territory then State, so perhaps her lack of resentment comes from not having perceived herself as a minority in any meaningful sense.

    I find her to be just about the most likable personality in all of U.S. politics on all sides.

  73. Anon[917] • Disclaimer says:

    … Maybe Haven Monahan is really a woman.

  74. Anon[917] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    In this age of trans-genderism, he COULD BE a she… or even a they.

  75. snorlax says:
    @SFG

    The whole thing came about (and I do have to admit this) because white rock stars were using songs written by black musicians back in the 50s and not giving them credit.

    This is a retconned PC myth.

    When covering their songs, white musicians did give black writers and/or original performers credit, and the original writers became wealthy off royalties when the cover was a hit. Many of the most popular acts of the 50s were black, and they had many huge hits including many #1s.

    While they did invent the predecessor genre of blues, and they were hugely overrepresented among early rock acts, blacks did not invent rock music, and Elvis Presley did invent or at minimum co-invented it.

    Let’s look at the most frequently cited case of alleged “theft,” Elvis’ 1956 cover of Big Mama Thornton’s 1952 “Hound Dog.”

    1. The song was written by (((Leiber and Stoller))), not Big Mama.
    2. Big Mama made out very well from her version, which was a huge hit and sold over 2 million copies. Her single was re-released multiple times off the coattails of Elvis’ even bigger hit.
    3. Elvis’ version has a radically different arrangement, lyrics and tempo; it’s near as makes no difference a different song. Big Mama’s is a very generic blues cut, Elvis’ is unmistakably rock.
    4. I defy you to find any recording, by any artist, black or white, both recorded before and as high-energy, catchy and “rock”-sounding as Elvis’ “Hound Dog.”

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Lot
  76. Like the Mathew McConaughey drive-by, it didn’t happen but it could have happened.

    So it’s time for you to shut up so they can have this very important Conversation at you.

  77. snorlax says:
    @George

    December 2018:

    • Replies: @George
    , @RudyM
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  78. Erik L says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    I can’t put my finger on why, but this may be my favorite comment ever on iSteve

  79. George says:
    @snorlax

    Tulsi Gabbard reveals she met Assad in Syria, without informing top Democrats

    Hawaiian congresswoman claims she went on a ‘fact-finding’ mission in support of ‘peace’ for Syrian people, but characterized US-backed rebels as ‘terrorists’

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats

    • Replies: @George
  80. Cato says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I don’t think there’s any Indian in her.

    I think her husband is Indian.

  81. @El Dato

    … which of course makes it ok to dismember him in a show that Tarantino would like have on tape in his cellar cinema. Because Qatar is like, Satan. For some reason.

    It doesn’t make it okay. It makes it 100% fake news. It makes it a Big Lie designed to hurt me and my people.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  82. “In case you are wondering, eSports is watching other people play video games as a spectator sport. Why you would want to is unexplained.”

    Why is Golf televised? Why is Curling an Olympic sport? Why? Just why?

  83. @Dacian Julien Ciolos

    Oh, look, incels and boomers idolizing a Gyppo for her “beauty”

    I don’t where you’re getting the gypsy thing, but her looks are awfully mediocre.

  84. RudyM says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I notice that the comments on Washington Post articles about Tulsi Gabbard usually have an avalanche of trollish, unhinged sounding comments painting her as a wacko. Maybe there’s a counter-cult that hates her guts.

    The counter-cult is called the DNC.

  85. ATBOTL says:
    @J.Ross

    It’s sad to see neocon pro-Saudi narratives showing up on this blog’s comments.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @snorlax
  86. RudyM says:
    @snorlax

    WTF? She’s running alright. The best way to deal with the concerns she raises would be to facilitate having the Kurds reach an agreement with Assad (which, realistically, probably just means letting them know we no longer have their back, getting out the way, letting them work it out, perhaps with the help of governments actually capable of diplomacy, like Russia).

  87. Mr. Anon says:

    The only thing sillier than watching a bunch of grown men chase a ball around a field or a court is watching grown men play Call of Duty.

    Just wait a couple years – eventually there will be fantasy E-sports leagues.

  88. snorlax says:

    OT: The Wall Street Journal has an off-the-wall proposal for wall funding.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/would-big-pharma-pay-for-the-wall-11547298000

    Would Big Pharma Pay for the Wall?

    The government shutdown over funding for the border wall may start to put a dent in the prodigious cash flows of big drug and biotech firms

    The White House is brainstorming ways to pay for the proposed wall along the southern border of the U.S.

    If the shutdown drags on much longer, perhaps it should consider giving drug-industry executives a call. They might be highly motivated to contribute to the $5 billion that President Trump is seeking for the project. Retail drug spending topped $330 billion in 2017, according to Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services data.

    Ensuring the government reopens soon is very much in the industry’s interest. Absent a deal, the Food and Drug Administration will run out of funds to process applications for new drugs. That could become a nightmare—particularly for smaller biotechs that generally burn cash and need a predictable regulatory process to function properly. Worse, those companies may not be able to close financing deals without approval from the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    Maybe it’s time to invest in shovels and concrete instead of lab equipment.

  89. Okay, to some women, it is of utmost importance to prove that women & men are more similar than dissimilar. But when males appropriate that feminist concept, they must do it within what are now socially acceptable boundaries, like Chelsea Manning’s adoption of a female identity va a sex change operation. In a far less extreme way, a male cannot vicariously experience the role of a female, which, according to feminists, is not (or should not be) different than the role of a male. Males can go under the surgeon’s knife to get that female experience, with feminists gushing approval, but they cannot pretend to be a female video game enthusiast online—a far less extreme version of something otherwise embraced by feminists. This just reinforces the truth of two old cliches: women cannot make up their mnds, and women want it both ways.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  90. George says:
    @George

    Her name was missing from a letter from 169 House Democrats around that time condemning Steve Bannon’s White House appointment.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/01/tulsi-gabbard-is-running-for-president-can-she-shake-her-ties-to-dictators-and-nationalists/

    Mother Jones hates Gabbard.

  91. There is a new ad out where a bunch of young boys stop what they are doing to sprint to the house of another boy who is in a wheelchair while playing some unseen video game. At least I think that’s what he is doing, suddenly every one is dancing around because he has accomplished something, again off screen. Has anyone else seen this inclusivity ad?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  92. ATBOTL says:

    “…northern Europeans are genetically suited as hosts for aggressive aliens…”

    That’s why we need to make our nationalisms very direct and explicit. We don’t have the ability like some groups to say one thing and do another. We will do whatever we say out loud. That’s why pushing the boundaries of speech is so important for us.

  93. OT: Good news! The Castro brothers are running for president:

    https://nypost.com/2019/01/12/julian-castro-announces-2020-presidential-run/

    They will be tough to beat. While Julián is glad handing in Iowa, Joaquín ( as Julián) can get a head start in New Hampshire. I wonder if they’ve learned to speak Spanish yet?

    Julián might have the flimsiest C.V. of any presidential candidate in history ( HUD secretary and ceremonial mayor of San Antonio), but combined with his Congressman brother, it looks a little better.

    Their mom can go around talking about her life as a Chicano activist and how the Alamo makes her “sick,” and the brothers can explain that they do not look that way due to fetal alcohol syndrome.

    I don’t know why the Olson twins never did this movie. ‘Full White House:’ Mary Kate and Ashley juggle being co-president with dating Sarkozy nephews and dreamy movie stars.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @njguy73
  94. @Ghost of Bull Moose

  95. We have to invent an event where you watch the people watching others play video games. They probably already have it in Japan, so we’d have to re-invent it.

  96. @ben tillman

    ” … me and my people.”

    Keyboard loudmouths?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  97. @snorlax

    Tulsi Gabbard is one of the few Dems who don’t follow the script, which means she has no future in that party.

  98. Peterike says:
    @George

    “So why hasn’t there ever been a female version of Laurel and Hardy?”

    You obviously haven’t heard of “Broad City.”

    It’s a joke son!

  99. syonredux says:

    There is an interesting Cultural Evolution project in this

    As Democratic elites reunite with neocons, the party’s voters are becoming far more militaristic and pro-war than Republicans

    • Replies: @syonredux
  100. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    But what is remarkable about the new polling data on Syria is that the vast bulk of support for keeping troops there comes from Democratic Party voters, while Republicans and independents overwhelming favor their removal. The numbers are stark: Of people who voted for Clinton in 2016, only 26 percent support withdrawing troops from Syria, while 59 percent oppose it. Trump voters overwhelmingly support withdraw by 76 percent to 14 percent.

    A core ethos of the anti-Trump #Resistance has become militarism, jingoism, and neoconservatism. Trump is frequently attacked by Democrats using longstanding Cold War scripts wielded for decades against them by the far right: Trump is insufficiently belligerent with U.S. enemies; he’s willing to allow the Bad Countries to take over by bringing home U.S. soldiers; his efforts to establish less hostile relations with adversary countries is indicative of weakness or even treason.

    At the same time, Democratic policy elites in Washington are once again formally aligning with neoconservatives, even to the point of creating joint foreign policy advocacy groups (a reunion that predated Trump). The leading Democratic Party think tank, the Center for American Progress, donated $200,000 to the neoconservative American Enterprise Institute and has multilevel alliances with warmongering institutions. By far the most influential liberal media outlet, MSNBC, is stuffed full of former Bush-Cheney officials, security state operatives, and agents, while even the liberal stars are notably hawkish (a decade ago, long before she went as far down the pro-war and Cold Warrior rabbit hole that she now occupies, Rachel Maddow heralded herself as a “national security liberal” who was “all about counterterrorism”).

    All of this has resulted in a new generation of Democrats, politically engaged for the first time as a result of fears over Trump, being inculcated with values of militarism and imperialism, trained to view once-discredited, war-loving neocons such as Bill Kristol, Max Boot, and David Frum, and former CIA and FBI leaders as noble experts and trusted voices of conscience. It’s inevitable that all of these trends would produce a party that is increasingly pro-war and militaristic

    https://theintercept.com/2019/01/11/as-democratic-elites-reunite-with-neocons-the-partys-voters-are-becoming-far-more-militaristic-and-pro-war-than-republicans/

  101. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL

    It’s sad to see neocon pro-Saudi narratives showing up on this blog’s comments.

    You prefer to be in a complete and absolute echo chamber.

  102. Man, I got left behind when I found out there are people who dress up in furry costumes and go to conventions to try to get laid. I give up. I don’t care what eeee—sports is.

    There real are a lot of people in he world, and a lot of money, in order for all of these things to exist.

    I’m going to take a nap now, to enjoy my own form of fake reality, and it doesn’t require any electricity except what goes on in my own brain.

  103. @George

    “So why hasn’t there ever been a female version of Laurel and Hardy?”

    Thelma Todd and Zasu Pitts were a comedy team in short films in the early thirties. Then Zasu was replaced by Patsy Kelly. Todd and Kelly were closer in age, and seemed to mesh better.

  104. Clyde says:

    Here is something from 2015 when Tulisi Gabbard got married
    https://tinyurl.com/yanvmng4
    Husband is a “Hawaii based” cinematographer who is 5 years younger.

    This time she is planning a Vedic wedding ceremony in keeping with the couple’s Hindu faith. “For us it’s about having a shared sense of spiritual values and what we hold important,”

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  105. njguy73 says:
    @bomag

    Looks to be a female version of Hussein Obama: little executive experience; always in the public sector; earlier support for traditional positions has “evolved”; enthralled with her exotic past (took an oath of office on a Hindu text).

    Just start building her monument now.

    • Replies: @bomag
  106. njguy73 says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I don’t know why the Olson twins never did this movie. ‘Full White House:’ Mary Kate and Ashley juggle being co-president with dating Sarkozy nephews and dreamy movie stars.

    Dear Shonda Rhimes,

    Read this, then get the Sister, Sister twins on the phone.

    I get 5% of the back-end.

    Best,

    NJGuy73

  107. @JimB

    The Dangerous Sports Club, a bunch of well-heeled Oxbridge types, pioneered sofa skiing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Sports_Club

    The Club pioneered surrealist skiing, beginning in 1983 and holding three events at St. Moritz, Switzerland, in which competitors were required to devise a sculpture mounted on skis and ride it down a mountain. Entries included a grand piano, a Louis XIV dining set, and an 8-man boat. The event reached its limits when the Club arrived in St. Moritz with a London double-decker bus, wanting to send it down the ski slopes, and the Swiss resort managers refused.

    There’s a film about them which features the ski contests.

    OT – the Gilets Jaunes are out again for ActeIX.

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/ActeIX

  108. @Tyrion 2

    She’s pro Hindu nationalist??? SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!

  109. Fredrik says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    I don’t folloe NFL bur someone who understands the racial composition should create a calculator for fans to know which one to support. Eg black quarterback gives -10. White defender gives 3 points. Team with highest score is being supported.

  110. @Anon

    too much time on their hand, due to too low taxes.

    Gee, another reason statists can tell me they’re taking my money away from me for my own good.

  111. BB753 says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Well, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is quite a looker if you’re into Rican girls and still young and nubile. Though I’m afraid she won’t age well. Dems should field her as vice-president in 2020.

    • Replies: @fish
    , @Neuday
  112. Lot says:
    @snorlax

    Higher energy rock song recorded before Hound Dog?

    I was going to say Train Kept A Rollin, but it was recorded the same day, 7/2/56.

    Rock Around the Clock is from 1954, and better in that it is easier to dance to.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  113. Anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Gotta say, I’m ambivalent on the whole Tulsi Gabbard project, but “pro-Assad?” What does that even mean now? I don’t think even the FSB is really “pro-Assad” in any coherent way

    • Replies: @Anon
  114. bomag says:
    @njguy73

    LOL

    I was thinking they could get the Nobel prize to her a year early.

  115. Anon7 says:

    OT: More artificial intelligence bias. Face++ AI software thinks black guys are angrier than white guys

    Understanding the Hidden Bias in Emotion-Reading AIs

    “On average, Face++ rates black faces as twice as angry as white faces. Face API scores black faces as three times more contemptuous than white faces. After matching players based on their smiles, both facial analysis programs are still more likely to assign the negative emotions of anger or contempt to black faces.”

    According to BLM, black people are angrier than white people, so maybe this AI is just reporting the facts.

    I once went to the funeral of a black friend of mine, and was astounded by the picture used on the funeral program. I’d never seen that expression of anger. I only knew him in the context of the white workplace and had never seen the face that he showed his own community.

    Also, I used to play pick-up basketball on a primarily black court, and I can tell you that you had better learn to show your emotions to the other players. If you’re pissed at what just happened, you don’t just adopt an expression of mild concern and say “I say, old man, didn’t your actions just then constitute a foul?” You screw up your face into an expression your white friends have never seen, and you shout “WTF, m**f***er, that’s a foul, G**d*** my m**f**ing ball on top.”

  116. These e-sports are now the road out of the ghetto – or at least, the road out of the arcade.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/02/education/learning/video-games-esports-scholarships.html
    By all appearances, it’s the road to a multicultural rainbow paradise.
    Let those lame Chinese send probes to the far side of the Moon – we’ll whip their asses in multiplayer VR!

    • Replies: @Clyde
  117. @Clyde

    Perhaps they should emigrate to India.

  118. @SunBakedSuburb

    No. White people. Americans. Hell, probably humans in general.

  119. Jack D says:
    @Endgame Napoleon

    I have no love for the feminist gang, but there is a difference between someone who feels that he is a female trapped in a male body (I would call this mental illness but then again being gay used to be considered a form of mental illness) and someone who assumes a fake online identity for fun and profit.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  120. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Pretty much the pro Assad contingent is only all of the incel / alt right / manosphere / WN/ JW to the JQ /former stormfronters ,they are fervently pro Assad. They like Assad more than even the craziest Ayatollah likes Assad. He looks white and hates Jews . Nuff said.

    Having said that those guys would worhip Dahmer , Gacy or even a talking turd if it said it hated Jews.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Lurker
    , @TWS
  121. snorlax says:
    @Lot

    Just because a song has the word “rock” (50s slang for “dance”) in its title doesn’t make it rock music. That silly criterion is popularly accepted because people are incapable of understanding that words can change meanings and because it buttresses the claim that blacks invented rock.

    I’d characterize “Rock Around the Clock” as pop, maybe transitional. It sounds extremely dated and moreover just not very good to the modern listener. The lineup of Bill Haley & His Comets was acoustic guitar, steel guitar, acoustic double bass, piano/accordion, saxophone and drums, which is not a rock band.

    I’ll grant that “Train Kept A-Rollin’” is even higher-energy and more “rock”-sounding than “Hound Dog,” but not as catchy or good.

    But in any case neither of those contradict my point. “Train Kept A-Rollin’” was co-written and originally recorded by a black guy, Tiny Bradshaw, but he did receive credit and royalties and had a very successful career in his own right. As an aside, I’d say Bradshaw’s version is closer to “rock” than “Rock Around the Clock.”

  122. @Jack D

    I think anyone who uses a pseudonym or false persona online is a sex pervert and should be chemically castrated and undergo electroshock therapy.

  123. @Buffalo Joe

    I have seen the ad. It is so stupid I can’t remember what it is advertising.

  124. Clyde says:
    @Macumazahn

    Let those lame Chinese send probes to the far side of the Moon – we’ll whip their asses in multiplayer VR!

    eSports competitions is dooods watching other dooods competing in shoot’em up video games. High video body count guaranteed otherwise no attendance.

  125. snorlax says:
    @ATBOTL

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/opinion/khashoggi-trump-saudi-relations.html

    • Replies: @reactionry
  126. Moshe says:
    @J.Ross

    I believe you’re you referring to Qhajjogi*, a decades long American journalist for the Washington Post who was killed in Manhattan by the hand of the Emperor of Saudi Arabia for his invaluable 3 volume work “Democracy: An Owner’s Manual”.

    ______

    *Not to be confused with Jacob Zuma.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  127. Chase says:
    @DFH

    When I read the quoted, I read it as a tongue-in-cheek acknowledgment of the absurdity of watching boys play games of all sorts.

  128. @Autochthon

    Normal young men don’t want to be Chad Thundercock, that was my gay porn stage name.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @reactionry
  129. @Anon

    Stuart Margolin (Angel from Rockford Files)

  130. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I’m sure Hillary will also announce giving the left a buffet of woman candidates.

    Why the Democratic Party has binders full of women!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  131. Mr. Anon says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    Ah, c’mon Jimbo, you’re killin’ me, man! You’re killin’ me!

  132. @El Dato

    He was the guy who came up with Blackwater and hopefully will run in 2024.

  133. Mr. Anon says:
    @syonredux

    All of this has resulted in a new generation of Democrats, politically engaged for the first time as a result of fears over Trump, being inculcated with values of militarism and imperialism, trained to view once-discredited, war-loving neocons such as Bill Kristol, Max Boot, and David Frum, and former CIA and FBI leaders as noble experts and trusted voices of conscience.

    Here you go Democrats………………………

    Enjoy!

  134. @snorlax

    “Journolist” Jamal Khashoggi Beria?

  135. @Redneck farmer

    Was that around 2000? The teasers on the boxcovers write themselves:

    Erection 2000
    A Chad Thundercock Production
    Starring Chad Thundercock
    Written By Chad Thundercock
    Directed By Chad Thundercock

    Featuring Al “Wood” Gore, Georgie Bush, Katherine Hairiest, & Introducing Lance Goodthrust as Justice Reemed-Kissed

    “You thought hanging chads have caused a stir? Wait till you see this hung Chad….”

  136. @Redneck farmer

    Reborn (in Incel Hell?) as Becky* Sundercock?

    * Don’t call 911 on blacks; call 555-…

  137. @George

    So why hasn’t there ever been a female version of Laurel and Hardy?

    Christopher Hitchens wrote an article some years ago, reminding us of a point of view that was once commonplace.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2007/01/hitchens200701

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  138. Anon[366] • Disclaimer says:

    eSports is watching other people play video games as a spectator sport. Why you would want to is unexplained.

    Says the golf fan.

    • LOL: Autochthon
  139. DPG says:

    I’ve watched a fair amount of Starcraft. It’s like watching a chess match where the players don’t take turns. They have to move the pieces as fast as they can and strategize on the fly while controlling their pieces. Tremendous multitasking challenge.

    Interestingly, the only high achieving woman in Starcraft, and one of the highest achieving non-Koreans, is a transgender male-to-female.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlett_(video_game_player)

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @CAL2
    , @TWS
  140. Anonymous[455] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Two thoughts:

    1. To first approximation, either party will have more anti-war sentiment within it when the other party is in power; for the opposition party to be the more militaristic side is a new development, and a strange one.

    2. What is called the Trump “Resistance” could more accurately be called the “Trump Reaction.” Any attempt by Trump to undo the status quo, even in a way that left-leaning people should ostensibly support, will be broadly opposed by the Democratic establishment. Looking downstream, I think this will strengthen the AOC/Sanders far-left element of the party, since they generally haven’t gone in for this sort of pettiness and will be perceived as more “authentic” for (not) having done so.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  141. @PiltdownMan

    Laverne & Shirley? Kate & Allie? Lucy & Ethel?

    Only the last two come anywhere near being noteworthy or memorable female comic pairings, and they only did the one vehicle and set of characters, without variations on the theme.

    Humour allays fear, dissipates tension, and helps prevent violence. Males need ways to do that to succeed as groups, especially once tribal society and inter-tribal conflict sets in, so there would be sleextion for it. Women, among themselves, can rely on their males to handle all that stuff, and, in the face of a need to survive violence should their males be overcome, they resort to something else altogether:

    Why has their never been a male Marilyn Monroe? Delilah? Wife of Potifer…? Oh, males seduce, nut in utterly different ways, far less successfully, and for entirely different reasons. N.B.: The closing quip aside, the point is not that males don’t seduce or have reason to, but that females aren’t as funny and don’t have reason to be….

  142. @DPG

    You do realise that person is just another male talented at the game, albeit with a mental illness? He’s not “the only high-achieving woman” – he’s just another of the men, but with a disturbing personal problem.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster, dfordoom
  143. @syonredux

    Right. And still we get oodles of white people right here at this blog who insist on blaming white people rather than those who lie to them. Wake up.

  144. @Anon

    I cannot think why a professional news organisation which paid no attention to what it was doing was taken in by this obvious fraud.

  145. @Anon

    Almost no one on the alt-right gives a shit about Assad. You’re hallucinating. However, your comment illustrates why we are critical of the Jews. You’re always trying to manipulate us into taking your side against our own interests. Dahmer? Come on. That’s just a disgustingly cynical ploy.

  146. @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon, too funny and one of the torpedoes that sank the good ship Romney.

  147. Lurker says:
    @Anon

    I’ve seen some weak hasbara in my time but that’s truly pathetic.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  148. a reader says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Canada: truck driver in hockey bus crash that killed 16 pleads guilty
    Jaskirat Singh Sidhu pleads guilty to multiple dangerous driving counts over April crash in rural Saskatchewan

    The owner of the Calgary trucking company that hired Singh, Sukhmander Singh of Adesh Deol Trucking, also faces eight charges relating to non-compliance with federal and provincial safety regulations.

  149. Kyle says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Mahomes threw 50 touchdowns this year, which is impressive. But the rules favor offense and scoring these days. Only a few people have thrown more than 40. Peyton Manning had 49 in 2004, and 55 in 2013. The ‘13 season Manning was 37 years old and coming off of a neck injury involving degenerative nerves in his spinal cord, I think it’s safe to assume that HGH and steroids were strong factors. Tom Brady had 50 in 2007 the 16-0 regular season. Dan Marino threw 48 in 1984 and 44 in 1986. If twenty three year old dan Marino was playing this year with current passer interference rules and targeting penalties, he’d be approaching 60 touchdowns. 1984 Marino is the most prolific QB to ever play for a single season stretch. They lost to Montana in the super bowl that year.
    I just checked PRo football reference and there’s a few more honorable mentions. Rodgers had 40 in 2016, luck had 40 in 2014. Brees had 46 and 43 in 2011 and 2012. Kurt Warner had 41 in 99 the greatest show on turf year.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  150. @Kyle

    Mahomes has been the top story pretty much all season.

    Quarterback statistics tend to rise with every decade, so 50 isn’t jaw-dropping anymore, but second place this season was 39, so 50 is a lot.

    • Replies: @CAL2
    , @Autochthon
  151. CAL2 says:
    @DPG

    So in other words, a mentally disturbed guy.

    I’ve watched a little and actually played some of the original StarCraft. There isn’t really much strategy. It’s all “How fast can I do these tasks while annoying my opponent before I swarm him with a mass of units.” There is a multi-tasking talent, but that’s pretty much it.

    • Replies: @Carl
  152. CAL2 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    You have to add it that the NFL has tilted the rules towards the offense even more in the last decade. Also include that the Chief’s offense is stacked with talent. Good NFL offensive teams will have a good QB and two standout players. The Chief’s have what, 4 or 5? Mahomes has done great, but in that offense, he should. It’s like Dak Prescott’s first season where he had a running back, two good receivers, and monster offensive line. He looked like the next great QB. He lost the running back the next year and suddenly the passing coverages were a lot tighter.

  153. @Steve Sailer

    How can a guy like you, so interested in sportsbl, not reckon how come so-called electronic sports interest some people?

    My guess is maybe sportsball offers insights into human biodiversity, a strong interest of yours, but your interest in sportsball seems more than kust ancillary to its value in that vein.

    I neither play not watch others play videogames or sportball, so I’ve no dog in the fight and I like to think I’m disinterested (I don’t even care much for watching, as a spectator, athletic events I participate in and love myself, like skiing or running races), but I can see the appeal for some: it’d be lind of like watching a movie with good computer-generated images or other animation: a hero undertaking a quest to fight dragons, solve puzzles, explore wilderness; a commando battling or sneaking his way behind the lines for an assasination or to provide intelligence; or even, with the video games simulating sportsball, well, a game of sportsball. And so on. There’s a plot, a story, characters are encountered and interacted with, exciting sequences of action occur, etc.

    A game of sportsball (a real one or a simulated one in videogames) actually seems much less appealing: some hulking Negroes in tight pants chase a ball around for two hours? I’d rather watch Sonic the Hedgehog smash zany robots or Simon Belmont battle the undead as he unlocks the secrets to defeating Dracula for two hours (or whatever is popular in videogames nowadays; I’m old and don’t keep up, as I said).

    I suspect a lot of folks here (and this characterisation does NOT describe your – Steve Sailer’s words, I know!) effectively saying “E-sports are gay, man; I wanna watch me some sportsball and be a man, woo!” will line up to see the latest superhero movie or vehicles like The Expendables without any self-awareness of how similar those films are to watching someone play a modern videogame.

  154. notanon says:

    Why you would want to is unexplained.

    TV is 99% cultural poison,

  155. fish says:
    @BB753

    Well, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is quite a looker if you’re into Rican girls and still young and nubile.

    Quite the looker if she keeps her mouth shut so (a) We don’t have to listen to her political positions (b) So we don’t have to see those rather unfortunately large horse teeth with which she was gifted. Her nickname should be “picket fence” as in able to eat an apple through one!

  156. Carl says:

    Remember folks, golf is a perfectly reasonable “sport” and spending huge chunks of your life watching other men play it is totally normal. But not esports! Where’s the skill in THAT, it’s all happening on a screen!

  157. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    Its totally factual. If Dahmer ( a pure white aryan) spent his final days giving prison interviews where he ranted against Jews/Israel he would have a fan base here with many of the commenters , maybe even with head incel Ron himself.

    Hey Im no expert, and I know he did horrendous things but even a broken clock is right 2 times per day. This guy is woke to the JQ . Watch this 90 minute interview on youtube , it goes by real quick if your entire life is online in the land of make believe.

  158. rocko says:
    @DFH

    Or golf, or chess, or cricket for that matter.

  159. TWS says:
    @Anon

    You’re a lying. Assad fights ISIS and AQ we supported both. Troll.

    • Replies: @Anon
  160. TWS says:
    @DPG

    Then he’s not female. Mutilating myself into looking like a horse would not make me a horse.

  161. Prusmc says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Tulsi:
    The only woman or potential presidential women candidate who appears as if she actually would enjoy sex with a male. AOC is too young to run. The others look like they prefer the “strap-on” life style.

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
  162. Neuday says:
    @BB753

    “Dating” an obviously crazy Puerto Rican girl? I can’t think of worse advice.

    • Replies: @BB753
  163. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    What is called the Trump “Resistance” could more accurately be called the “Trump Reaction.” Any attempt by Trump to undo the status quo, even in a way that left-leaning people should ostensibly support, will be broadly opposed by the Democratic establishment.

    Yes! But not just the party establishment, but the rank-and-file in all wings. Some examples:

    1) Trade tariffs. A great idea supported by Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, and many others, until Trump came on board, in which case it became obviously the stupidest plan that only a complete ignoramus economic illiterate could support.

    2) Disengaging from Syria. Again, obviously the smart and moral thing to do for several years, according to much of progressive media and several legislators. Until Trump announced it, at which point it became something that only stupid ignorant people with no understanding of geopolitics could possibly get behind.

    Looking downstream, I think this will strengthen the AOC/Sanders far-left element of the party, since they generally haven’t gone in for this sort of pettiness and will be perceived as more “authentic” for (not) having done so.

    This I think is wrong, because the far-left has done the most whiplashing of positions in reaction to Trump. To take the above two examples, the corporate wing of the party was always against trade tariffs and pro-Syria intervention.

  164. @George

    I thought the female Laurel and Hardy were French and Saunders?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  165. I’d always have a female character when first playing a MMORPG. Guys will always White Knight the noob nerdette. This is a bit different from the Social games like Second Life or There or IMVU where most the Avatars are women, and most of the Women Avatars are Lipstick Lesbians who are men in Real Life. Are you a gay male if your Gay lady avatar is having sex with a lesbian avatar being controlled by another guy behind the keyboard? It’s all too weird.

  166. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @TWS

    No sir , you are lying. The ONLY reason you or anyone else commenting at this webzine likes Assad is because he is against Israel.

  167. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    IDK, are Hasbro usually this mentally ill? I wouldn’t think such pathetic attempts at propaganda would win over many hearts and minds.

    Watch this 90 minute interview on youtube , it goes by real quick if your entire life is online in the land of make believe.

    Says the woman with 45 different screen names, all using the same identical writing style.

  168. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey Anon

    Says the woman with 45 different screen names, all using the same identical writing style.

    Pot
    Kettle
    Black

    You are so woke !!!!

  169. BB753 says:
    @Neuday

    Who said anything about dating? But they’re good for a fling.

  170. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    I thought the female Laurel and Hardy were French and Saunders?

    Except that they weren’t actually funny.

    But expecting comedy to be funny is probably evidence of my toxic masculinity.

  171. R. says:

    In case you are wondering, eSports is watching other people play video games as a spectator sport. Why you would want to is unexplained.

    No one ever explained to me why people watch sports. I’ve been mystified by that since childhood. I presume there’s people here who do watch sports? Why?

    I mean, I get team sports. I’ve played soccer, basketball and even baseball (only a few times, it was fun).

    But why would you watch other people do it?

    • Replies: @BB753
  172. BB753 says:
    @R.

    Same reason people watch porn.

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