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From Crain’s Chicago Business:

Invoking the specter of Nazi Germany, Obama warns against complacency

December 06, 2017

American democracy is fragile, and unless care is taken it could follow the path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

Mixed in with many softer comments, that was the somewhat jaw-dropping bottom line of Barack Obama last night as, in a Q&A session before the Economic Club of Chicago, the Chicagoan who used to be president dropped a bit of red meat to a hometown crowd that likely is a lot closer to him than the man whose name never was mentioned: President Donald Trump.

Obama’s comments came after a series of playful questions from moderator and Ariel Investments President Mellody Hobson

In agreeing to be interviewed by Ms. Hobson, Obama was really stretching the envelope of his social comfort zone, which extends from wealthy Chicago black people all the way to rich Chicago black people. Mellody Hobson, who is George Lucas’s girlfriend and a two-time Bilderberger, is president of the Ariel investment fund founded by John W. Rogers, Princeton basketball teammate of Obama’s brother-in-law Craig Robinson.

—in the great Batman vs. Superman debate, for instance, we learned Obama sides with Batman—before she eventually asked him what he’s learned as a world citizen of sorts. …

At least indirectly, those comments could be seen as criticism of Trump, whose foreign policy focuses on an “America first” paradigm that critics say distracts from this country’s unique role.

Obama moved from that to talking about a nativist mistrust and unease that has swept around the world. He argued that such things as the speed of technical change and the uneven impact of globalization have come too quickly to be absorbed in many cultures, bringing strange new things and people to areas in which “people didn’t (used to) challenge your assumptions.” As a result, “nothing feels solid,” he said. “Sadly, there’s something in us that looks for simple answers when we’re agitated.”

Still, the U.S. has survived tough times before and will again, he noted, particularly mentioning the days of communist fighter Joseph McCarthy and former President Richard Nixon. But one reason the country survived is because it had a free press to ask questions, Obama added. Though he has problems with the media just like Trump has had, “what I understood was the principle that the free press was vital.”

The danger is “grow(ing) complacent,” Obama said. “We have to tend to this garden of democracy or else things could fall apart quickly.”

That’s what happened in Germany in the 1930s, which despite the democracy of the Weimar Republic and centuries of high-level cultural and scientific achievements, Adolph Hitler rose to dominate, Obama noted. “Sixty million people died. . . .So, you’ve got to pay attention. And vote.”

Obama said his greatest “regret and disappointment” was the failure to enact tighter controls on gun possession.

 
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  1. Obama’s greatest failures are failing to close down Guantanamo, stop drone strike programs and pointless guerilla war sponsoring in the Middle East, the diplomatic side of the Arab Spring too, etc.

    These are things he actually promised or closely related to them, as ending the Iraq War was not a mandate to start new ME wars, and his liberal constituents expected of him, not pie-in-the-sky goals, but he didn’t accomplish those.

    Obamacare ended up sucking and didn’t fulfill the goal of being a temporary stopgap before a more comprehensive universal/singlepayer system was developed, but compared to the above that’s not as big of a deal or failure directly on him; it’s also on the party, the electorate and all.

    Trump is too much of a moron to do anything like “Nazi Germany” of course, that’s the first place to start. I agree it is crazy all the neoliberal establishment literally believes in this propaganda.

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  2. Marty says:

    I wonder if his audience realizes what he means by Democracy, i.e. the system in which robed elites make sure every majority preference is nullified.

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  3. syonredux says:

    American democracy is fragile, and unless care is taken it could follow the path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

    But I thought that WOKE folk had already agreed that that the USA was already under Nazi rule, you know, what with Trump being Hitler and all……

    in the great Batman vs. Superman debate, for instance, we learned Obama sides with Batman—before she eventually asked him what he’s learned as a world citizen of sorts. …

    But doesn’t that mean that he sides with the evil WASP nativist against the virtuous immigrant….

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    • Replies: @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    Right. All of American History is White Supremacy = Nazism.

    Obama is behind the curve here.
    , @guest
    There is no Great Batman vs. Superman Debate, apart from whether Batman is clever and rich enough to overcome Superman possessing every other advantage.

    That movie was a muddle on the theme/message front.

    The Marvel Civil War stuff had more of a political debate, though it too was an excuse to watch characters punch eachother.

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  4. “American democracy is fragile, and unless care is taken it could follow the path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.”

    Translation: We must work even harder to eliminate whites, before they realize all of the racial appeasement isn’t working and stop giving minorities undeserved advancement.

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  5. mobi says:

    “Obama Fulfills Godwin’s Law”

    His second greatest regret will be learning he didn’t come up with it himself.

    Seriously, I wonder if he’s secretly worried 2012 might prove to be the Year of Peak Affirmative Action.

    On the other, since that would make him the peak, I guess not.

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  6. Thomas says:

    Steve, you may have fun for a long time charting the post-Presidential career of Barack Obama. Either that, or die of boredom.

    …in the great Batman vs. Superman debate, for instance, we learned Obama sides with Batman…

    The self-made superhero and not the orphan with alien roots that made him what he was? Seems a bit aspirational, though I suppose both Obama and Batman have parental absence as part of their histories and motivations.

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    Batman is self-made in the sense of getting his powers from technology, because he's merely human. But let's not forget he's "to the (Wayne) manor born." Superman could be from alien royalty (I don't know), but here he was just a farmboy.
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  7. Two things:

    Hitler’s first name is spelled Adolf.

    And,

    Obama said his greatest “regret and disappointment” was the failure to enact tighter controls on gun possession.

    Hmmm, who else enacted tight controls on gun possession? Oh wait, Hitler!

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    "Hitler’s first name is spelled Adolf." Only in Cherman.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Hmmm, who else enacted tight controls on gun possession? Oh wait, Hitler!
     
    AGREED! Thanks, A.M., I was going to write something to this effect. (and by post 7 - not bad!)
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  8. Barnard says:

    Still, the U.S. has survived tough times before and will again, he noted, particularly mentioning the days of communist fighter Joseph McCarthy and former President Richard Nixon.

    The biggest threats the United States faced in the 20th Century were an anti-Communist senator and a President who was forced to resign. If not for our “free press,” all would have been lost.

    That’s what happened in Germany in the 1930s, which despite the democracy of the Weimar Republic and centuries of high-level cultural and scientific achievements, Adolph(sic) Hitler rose to dominate, Obama noted. “Sixty million people died. . . .So, you’ve got to pay attention. And vote.”

    I wonder how a transcript would read, this is George W. Bush level ignorance if not beyond it. Does he think Germany had some long history of democracy prior to the 1930s? Does he think the Weimar Republic was some great success that Hitler drove off the rails? Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

    Probably Richard Nixon. You know, the evil one.

    BTW, it's funny how when liberals want to reference a dishonest president, they always bring up Richard Nixon and maybe also "W" with his "weapons of mass destruction." To me, it's hard to beat Bill Clinton and Barack Obama when it comes to lying, though in the latter case, since his lies were in the service of the narrative, he gets a pass.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?
     
    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it. John Adams read a hell of a lot of it.

    Presidents are usually too busy making history to read much of it, though.
    , @Art Deco
    this is George W. Bush level ignorance i

    The real George W. Bush is an avid consumer of academic history.
    , @nebulafox
    >Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

    Ironically enough, the answer to that for the GOP would be probably be... Richard Nixon.

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  9. anon says: • Disclaimer

    He argued that such things as the speed of technical change and the uneven impact of globalization have come too quickly to be absorbed in many cultures, bringing strange new things and people to areas in which “people didn’t (used to) challenge your assumptions.”

    I don’t know. I always assumed that Muslims and other third-world types were more trouble than they were worth, and would probably either try to blow me up or hold me down and gang-rape me if they had a chance.

    In other words, I don’t think people’s problem with the way things turned out is that their asumptions were “challenged”.

    It’s like this guy goes out of his way to keep reminding me why I didn’t like him.

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    • Replies: @Forbes

    It’s like this guy goes out of his way to keep reminding me why I didn’t like him.
     
    He turns his cluelessness into an act that waxes philosophical where he says nothing.
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  10. Obama’s greatest disappointment was not being able to serve a third term.

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    I think he had pretty well lost interest in doing the job by mid 2013. If all he had to do was use his pen and phone, maybe, but even working with a Democrat controlled Congress would have been too taxing for him in a third term.

    A good answer would have been that he left his political party in such bad shape that they were given a choice of Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders to succeed him as President, with no decent candidates on the horizon for future runs at the White House. I don't think getting mentored by Obama would have done much to help most young Democratic politicians though.
    , @fish

    Obama’s greatest disappointment was not being able to serve a third term.
     
    ….and then a fourth!


    Not his fault…..obviously we all failed him!

    , @Zach
    But when you can’t run yourself, you can always run your wife, which people say he will do. Senators back in the 1940s probably hadn’t envisioned that when they passed the 22nd amendment.
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  11. So….we all can move into obama’s house now right?

    I presume he’s got the walls down, doors open, and isn’t going to go all nativist and isolationist on us? Right when we really need to move in? I am sure he is ready and raring to have his assumptions challenged when we arrive? I mean at this time of technical and social change, it’s tempting to put up walls and seek easy answers. I am sure obaza is above all that. After all, we’re just “folks” looking to crash there for a few years.

    Really hope he hasn’t gone all xenophobic and racist on us. I hope he doesn’t have a knee-jerk xenophobic reaction to those of us who are not black or mulatto.

    I haven’t had dinner yet this pm. Anyone know his home address?

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  12. Barnard says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Obama's greatest disappointment was not being able to serve a third term.

    I think he had pretty well lost interest in doing the job by mid 2013. If all he had to do was use his pen and phone, maybe, but even working with a Democrat controlled Congress would have been too taxing for him in a third term.

    A good answer would have been that he left his political party in such bad shape that they were given a choice of Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders to succeed him as President, with no decent candidates on the horizon for future runs at the White House. I don’t think getting mentored by Obama would have done much to help most young Democratic politicians though.

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    Barnard, good reply. Thank you.
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  13. EriK says:

    “We have to tend to this garden of democracy or else things could fall apart quickly.”

    BHO aka Chance the gardener

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    So they *did* have him run for president after the end.
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  14. @Barnard

    Still, the U.S. has survived tough times before and will again, he noted, particularly mentioning the days of communist fighter Joseph McCarthy and former President Richard Nixon.
     
    The biggest threats the United States faced in the 20th Century were an anti-Communist senator and a President who was forced to resign. If not for our "free press," all would have been lost.

    That’s what happened in Germany in the 1930s, which despite the democracy of the Weimar Republic and centuries of high-level cultural and scientific achievements, Adolph(sic) Hitler rose to dominate, Obama noted. “Sixty million people died. . . .So, you’ve got to pay attention. And vote.”
     
    I wonder how a transcript would read, this is George W. Bush level ignorance if not beyond it. Does he think Germany had some long history of democracy prior to the 1930s? Does he think the Weimar Republic was some great success that Hitler drove off the rails? Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

    Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

    Probably Richard Nixon. You know, the evil one.

    BTW, it’s funny how when liberals want to reference a dishonest president, they always bring up Richard Nixon and maybe also “W” with his “weapons of mass destruction.” To me, it’s hard to beat Bill Clinton and Barack Obama when it comes to lying, though in the latter case, since his lies were in the service of the narrative, he gets a pass.

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  15. “people didn’t (used to) challenge your assumptions.”

    The so-called free press that Obama admires never challenged any of his assumptions. I can’t recall him ever being asked a challenging question. Even when the blowhard Bill O’Reilly interviewed him, everything he asked was stupid and easily batted away, i.e., “How does it feel to know that so many people hate you?”

    It warms my heart to know that Obama’s greatest disappointment is not having been able to disarm the bitter clingers.

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  16. Obama is an anti-White mulatto who pushed open borders mass immigration in order to racially transform the United States. Obama treasonously put the interests of foreigners ahead of the interests of American citizens.

    Obama also pushed the Obama/Rubio Illegal Alien Amnesty — Mass Immigration Surge bill(S744) that passed the US Senate with at least a dozen GOP votes in 2013. That bill was killed in the US House by Boehner in order to prevent a bloody GOP civil war. The Obama/Rubio immigration bill(S744) would have tripled legal immigration and it would have given amnesty to 12 to 30 million illegal alien invaders.

    Obama deliberately destroyed Libya and then had the keystone cop arseholes in the CIA run guns and money out of Libya to arm and fund the Islamic Radical Terrorists in Syria. Obama kept the war going in Syria to create more chaos in the Middle East. That is what his Jew donors wanted him to do, so he did it. Obama did this to please Israel and the Jew Democrats who fund the Democrat Party.

    Obama cheekily attempted to have Hillary Clinton’s White Sanctuary Town of Chappaqua, New York inundated by non-Whites through a US federal government no-income housing scam. Hillary was in his face about that one, I’m sure.

    Obama moved to a mostly-White part of Rome on the Potomac and built a big wall around his mansion.

    Obama riled up the Black Lives Matter mob to the extent that cops were being killed by murderous Black scum at an alarming clip. Some guy on the internet believes that Obama’s Black Lives Matter advocacy might have cost Hillary Clinton the election. Hillary Clinton did not go out of her way to condemn the killings of the cops by the Black Lives Matter thugs, so maybe she agreed with Obama. White voters disagreed with Obama and Hillary on the Black Lives Matter mob.

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  17. Though he has problems with the media just like Trump has had

    The absurdity of this statement is breathtaking. The author is intimating that the relationship each of these men had with the media is somehow similar? Could they be more diametrically opposed? Truly, shockingly absurd.

    Oh, yeah, now I remember when the media really gave Obama all that grief about…………..

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    • Replies: @bgates
    Though he has problems with the media just like Trump has had

    The absurdity of this statement is breathtaking.

    #theAssistance

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  18. Obama said his greatest “regret and disappointment” was the failure to enact tighter controls on gun possession.

    He could have started by offering to limit such controls to his South Side neighbors. After those have been shown to work, we can then consider expanding them, to Peotone or Zion or wherever.

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  19. @Barnard

    Still, the U.S. has survived tough times before and will again, he noted, particularly mentioning the days of communist fighter Joseph McCarthy and former President Richard Nixon.
     
    The biggest threats the United States faced in the 20th Century were an anti-Communist senator and a President who was forced to resign. If not for our "free press," all would have been lost.

    That’s what happened in Germany in the 1930s, which despite the democracy of the Weimar Republic and centuries of high-level cultural and scientific achievements, Adolph(sic) Hitler rose to dominate, Obama noted. “Sixty million people died. . . .So, you’ve got to pay attention. And vote.”
     
    I wonder how a transcript would read, this is George W. Bush level ignorance if not beyond it. Does he think Germany had some long history of democracy prior to the 1930s? Does he think the Weimar Republic was some great success that Hitler drove off the rails? Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

    Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it. John Adams read a hell of a lot of it.

    Presidents are usually too busy making history to read much of it, though.

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    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it. John Adams read a hell of a lot of it.

    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.
    , @syonredux

    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it.
     
    Indeed. His The Naval War of 1812 is regarded as a a classic in the field.
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  20. dearieme says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Two things:

    Hitler's first name is spelled Adolf.

    And,

    Obama said his greatest “regret and disappointment” was the failure to enact tighter controls on gun possession.
     
    Hmmm, who else enacted tight controls on gun possession? Oh wait, Hitler!

    “Hitler’s first name is spelled Adolf.” Only in Cherman.

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  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If there is a modern equivalent to Nazi Germany it is the PRC.

    -Immense and expanding economy
    -Annexing other countries and areas such as Tibet and islands in the South China Sea.
    -Ability to use their own population in other countries to reunite and aid the origin country.
    -Ramp up of military investment
    -Totalitarian and nationalistic government that practically prohibits immigration into their country but allows/encouraged emigration.

    Add:
    -Heavy handed meddling in other countries using their own people, bribery etc.
    -1.4B people of IQ > 100
    -Nuclear weapons

    But no, we’ve got to hunt down the last of the white people who desire to have countries or even suburbs or schools for themselves. We should also self-censor posts that attempt to add some social stigma to miscegenation. That’s not who we are! And if we happen to be white now, that’s not who we’ll be in future!

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    That makes Obama out to be pretty sympathetic. Is encouraging BLM really worse than going to war with China?
    , @anon

    That’s not who we are!
     
    There should be a way to score that phrase to get the Obama-nique pathos:

    THAt's notwhowe aRE!

    Scrunch up face -- then widen eyes -- then look straight ahead.
    Summon your smuggest mug.

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  22. fish says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Obama's greatest disappointment was not being able to serve a third term.

    Obama’s greatest disappointment was not being able to serve a third term.

    ….and then a fourth!

    Not his fault…..obviously we all failed him!

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  23. They bring up Hitler to shame Whites into not taking their own side in politics. This isn’t an historical analysis by Obama, this just him pressing the button to zap Whitey with the shock collar one more time.

    If political analysts really were trying to help their fellow citizens make sense of the potential dangers of Trump’s MAGA movement, they wouldn’t be pointing to Hitler’s rise. Instead, they’d look at Peronism in Argentina or 20th century South American political history more generally.

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  24. Buck says:

    C’mon Obama! Hitler was just trying to “fundamentally transform” Germany and unite all of Europe under one government. It was just the sort of thing that a post-nationalist like yourself would agree with.

    Every day, I’m thankful that Trump won. Not because I have any God-emperor delusions but I’m pretty sure the Donald isn’t down with the World Citizens. It’s hard to imagine any president of any country of any time disliking their country as much as Obama hates America.”Inside every White American, is a Nazi waiting to get out!” His disdain for Americans is disgusting.

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  25. unit472 says:

    So Obama identifies with Bruce Wayne the millionaire dilettante over the working class newspaper reporter Clark Kent. Figures.

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    Batman was no diletantte--you obviously have not read the comic
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  26. Forbes says:
    @anon

    He argued that such things as the speed of technical change and the uneven impact of globalization have come too quickly to be absorbed in many cultures, bringing strange new things and people to areas in which “people didn’t (used to) challenge your assumptions.”
     
    I don't know. I always assumed that Muslims and other third-world types were more trouble than they were worth, and would probably either try to blow me up or hold me down and gang-rape me if they had a chance.

    In other words, I don't think people's problem with the way things turned out is that their asumptions were "challenged".

    It's like this guy goes out of his way to keep reminding me why I didn't like him.

    It’s like this guy goes out of his way to keep reminding me why I didn’t like him.

    He turns his cluelessness into an act that waxes philosophical where he says nothing.

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  27. the real question is, Why do the commentariat waste their time covering an uneducated affirmative action hire? Why not cover what a plumber or nurse thinks about the world? What I most look forward to are (1) hearing funny stories about Malia’s cognitive troubles at Harvard and (2) seeing crime photos of all the SJWs who are mugged visiting the Obama Rec Center masquerading as a library. Good stuff is yet to come

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  28. 6 million people died? Between 50 and 80 million people died! The Jews were only the start.

    Technically, their own disabled Aryans were the start. Families of people institutionalized with mental or physical disabilities got form letters stating the so-and-so had died of appendicitis or measles. When they protested that so-and-so’s appendix had been taken out when she was 6 or Junior had measles when he was 3, the Nazis changed the form letters to blame pneumonia.

    Guy knows less about history than I know about quantum physics.

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    The quote clearly says sixty million, not six.
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  29. @unit472
    So Obama identifies with Bruce Wayne the millionaire dilettante over the working class newspaper reporter Clark Kent. Figures.

    Batman was no diletantte–you obviously have not read the comic

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  30. Is this where he claimed responsibility for how the economy is doing?

    Obama is so in love with himself he huffs his own farts.

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  31. @Barnard
    I think he had pretty well lost interest in doing the job by mid 2013. If all he had to do was use his pen and phone, maybe, but even working with a Democrat controlled Congress would have been too taxing for him in a third term.

    A good answer would have been that he left his political party in such bad shape that they were given a choice of Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders to succeed him as President, with no decent candidates on the horizon for future runs at the White House. I don't think getting mentored by Obama would have done much to help most young Democratic politicians though.

    Barnard, good reply. Thank you.

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  32. bgates says:
    @Steve from Detroit
    Though he has problems with the media just like Trump has had

    The absurdity of this statement is breathtaking. The author is intimating that the relationship each of these men had with the media is somehow similar? Could they be more diametrically opposed? Truly, shockingly absurd.

    Oh, yeah, now I remember when the media really gave Obama all that grief about..............

    Though he has problems with the media just like Trump has had

    The absurdity of this statement is breathtaking.

    #theAssistance

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  33. Dr. X says:

    Obama said his greatest “regret and disappointment” was the failure to enact tighter controls on gun possession.

    So… a man who will have armed Secret Service protection for the rest of his life warns us against an American Hitler… yet he regrets not taking our guns away.

    That sonofabitch.

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    Now you're insulting bitches.
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  34. From: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/05/us/harvey-weinstein-complicity.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top-stories

    “I just want you to let you know that Harvey’s a rapist and this is going to come out at some point,” Ms. Dunham said she told Kristina Schake, the campaign’s deputy communications director. She recalled adding, “I think it’s a really bad idea for him to host fund-raisers and be involved because it’s an open secret in Hollywood that he has a problem with sexual assault.”

    Amazingly, Dunham had not accused Weinstein of hitting on HER.

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    "I'm a rapist, not a blind man."
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  35. Barack Obama has always come across as a sophomoric campus intellectual type, ready to spin a glib theory about any topic, but always carefully avoiding rigor or cross-examination.

    The Brits have a useful word for the type. He is a pseud.

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  36. @syonredux

    American democracy is fragile, and unless care is taken it could follow the path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
     
    But I thought that WOKE folk had already agreed that that the USA was already under Nazi rule, you know, what with Trump being Hitler and all......

    in the great Batman vs. Superman debate, for instance, we learned Obama sides with Batman—before she eventually asked him what he’s learned as a world citizen of sorts. …
     
    But doesn't that mean that he sides with the evil WASP nativist against the virtuous immigrant....

    Right. All of American History is White Supremacy = Nazism.

    Obama is behind the curve here.

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  37. I just had a revelation. Probably not worth much in the large scheme of things.

    Barack Obama may live in posterity as the least noteworthy president ever.

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    He’ll be on the short list for most destructive, not the least noteworthy. Perhaps you didn’t notice: He’s BLACK.
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  38. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Shouldn’t his greatest regret be having helped cause hundreds of thousands of people to die and millions to suffer in his abominable wars in Syria and Libya as well as elsewhere? It’s all down the memory hole I guess. No point in bringing up awkward subjects; better to ask him about why he is so great. Nobody cares about some dead Syrians anyway, they’re not even human, so let’s get back to fawning over this prize poodle.

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  39. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Rosamond Vincy
    From: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/05/us/harvey-weinstein-complicity.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top-stories

    “I just want you to let you know that Harvey’s a rapist and this is going to come out at some point,” Ms. Dunham said she told Kristina Schake, the campaign’s deputy communications director. She recalled adding, “I think it’s a really bad idea for him to host fund-raisers and be involved because it’s an open secret in Hollywood that he has a problem with sexual assault.”

    Amazingly, Dunham had not accused Weinstein of hitting on HER.

    “I’m a rapist, not a blind man.”

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    I don't suggest he would ever attempt it, only that she would jump at the chance for a "me-too" moment, particularly since her campus rape story cracked more quickly than Haven Monahan's frat house glass coffee table.
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  40. donut says:

    Is he still alive ?

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  41. Presidents are usually too busy making history to read much of it, though.

    Every one of them is college educated to the Master’s level the past 30 years. JFK, RFK the lawyer/AG, just bachelor’s, but both were Law Schoolers, Bobby from UVA. Hillary, Bill, both lawyers. Bush, the supposed moron (like a fox), MBA from Yale. Trump’s MBA from Wharton. All were ‘educated”.

    All that having been said, how could they not have read and know their history? As millennials age and take over (Gen X will never get a sniff at power, heh), I’ll look to THEM to have had no serious history even with all their degrees.

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  42. Art Deco says:
    @Barnard

    Still, the U.S. has survived tough times before and will again, he noted, particularly mentioning the days of communist fighter Joseph McCarthy and former President Richard Nixon.
     
    The biggest threats the United States faced in the 20th Century were an anti-Communist senator and a President who was forced to resign. If not for our "free press," all would have been lost.

    That’s what happened in Germany in the 1930s, which despite the democracy of the Weimar Republic and centuries of high-level cultural and scientific achievements, Adolph(sic) Hitler rose to dominate, Obama noted. “Sixty million people died. . . .So, you’ve got to pay attention. And vote.”
     
    I wonder how a transcript would read, this is George W. Bush level ignorance if not beyond it. Does he think Germany had some long history of democracy prior to the 1930s? Does he think the Weimar Republic was some great success that Hitler drove off the rails? Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

    this is George W. Bush level ignorance i

    The real George W. Bush is an avid consumer of academic history.

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    The real George W. Bush is an avid consumer of academic history.
     
    What, you mean like Michael Beschloss and Doris Kearns Goodwin? "Presidential Historians"?
    , @Barnard
    I know he read a lot of books, but any interviews with him proved he was no more knowledgeable about history than this example from Obama. He truly believes that Islam is a religion of peace.
    , @Eagle Eye

    The real George W. Bush is an avid consumer of academic history.
     
    So THAT'S what Cheney was doing in Iraq when I was president! Wow!
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  43. @Almost Missouri
    Two things:

    Hitler's first name is spelled Adolf.

    And,

    Obama said his greatest “regret and disappointment” was the failure to enact tighter controls on gun possession.
     
    Hmmm, who else enacted tight controls on gun possession? Oh wait, Hitler!

    Hmmm, who else enacted tight controls on gun possession? Oh wait, Hitler!

    AGREED! Thanks, A.M., I was going to write something to this effect. (and by post 7 – not bad!)

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  44. Art Deco says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?
     
    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it. John Adams read a hell of a lot of it.

    Presidents are usually too busy making history to read much of it, though.

    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it. John Adams read a hell of a lot of it.

    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.

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    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.
     
    Gibbon?
    , @guest
    Is this a serious question? Not much history worth reading before 1826? No such thing as the classics?

    All that time from Herodotus to modern scholarship, what do we find? Scribbles and bibbles?

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  45. Sixty million people died. . . .So, you’ve got to pay attention. And vote.”

    I’m pretty sure Adolf(ph) Hitler was elected to office. So, that’s not gonna help. Later on, there were gonna be no more elections. Only lots of citizens with guns could have done anything by that point … but, they didn’t have them, cause …

    This guy just writes and talks like a clueless juvenile too. I wish we still had ex-Presidents, like a 1/2 century ago, that left office broke, went back to their hometowns, and just shut the fuck up for the rest of their our lives.

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  46. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    this is George W. Bush level ignorance i

    The real George W. Bush is an avid consumer of academic history.

    The real George W. Bush is an avid consumer of academic history.

    What, you mean like Michael Beschloss and Doris Kearns Goodwin? “Presidential Historians”?

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  47. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it. John Adams read a hell of a lot of it.

    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.

    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.

    Gibbon?

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    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.

    Gibbon?
     
    John Adams was a big fan of Gibbon. He was also very conversant with David Hume's The History of England and the writings of William Robertson.
    , @Anon
    History, yes; reliable, no.
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  48. Mr. Anon says:

    I bet Barack Obama has never even read a book on Germany, let alone Germany in the interwar years. What he knows is probably just what he picked up from TV and movies.

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    Precisely: Barry's idea of intellectually hip material is Rules for Radicals. What an embarrassment! I remember listening to his 1st convention speech and thinking, This uneducated empty suit is full of shit
    , @Rohirrimborn
    Cut him some slack. At least he knows that in nearby Austria they speak Austrian.
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  49. Zach says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Obama's greatest disappointment was not being able to serve a third term.

    But when you can’t run yourself, you can always run your wife, which people say he will do. Senators back in the 1940s probably hadn’t envisioned that when they passed the 22nd amendment.

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    I'll wager it did occur to them.

    1. The Argentine military sent an ultimatum to Juan Domingo Peron in 1951 when he wanted to put his wife on his election ticket.

    2. You had a number of former first ladies around at the time, including Eleanor Roosevelt, who had business interests and a public presence distinct from her husband's from about 1926 onward. This included a regular newspaper column. She actually held a quasi-diplomatic position at the time.


    When a legislator dies in office, it's not rare for his wife to run for his seat. However, you haven't had many examples in this country of men running their wives as decoys for term-limited executive positions. If I'm not mistaken, the number of times this has happened in the last century at the state level is in the single digits.

    See Pat Buchanan's assessment of Michelle Obama: she doesn't like public life.

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  50. @EriK

    “We have to tend to this garden of democracy or else things could fall apart quickly.”
     
    BHO aka Chance the gardener

    So they *did* have him run for president after the end.

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  51. guest says:

    Democracy, save us from democracy!

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  52. Obama moved from that to talking about a nativist mistrust and unease that has swept around the world.

    How strange it is that there’s so much “nativist mistrust” of an immigration policy that is built on so many blatant falsehoods. The lies told by the immivasion lobby are as uncountable as the stars.

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    nativist mistrust
     
    Nativist distrust is a snooty, derogatory term for voter disapproval.
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  53. @Anon
    "I'm a rapist, not a blind man."

    I don’t suggest he would ever attempt it, only that she would jump at the chance for a “me-too” moment, particularly since her campus rape story cracked more quickly than Haven Monahan’s frat house glass coffee table.

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  54. guest says:
    @syonredux

    American democracy is fragile, and unless care is taken it could follow the path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
     
    But I thought that WOKE folk had already agreed that that the USA was already under Nazi rule, you know, what with Trump being Hitler and all......

    in the great Batman vs. Superman debate, for instance, we learned Obama sides with Batman—before she eventually asked him what he’s learned as a world citizen of sorts. …
     
    But doesn't that mean that he sides with the evil WASP nativist against the virtuous immigrant....

    There is no Great Batman vs. Superman Debate, apart from whether Batman is clever and rich enough to overcome Superman possessing every other advantage.

    That movie was a muddle on the theme/message front.

    The Marvel Civil War stuff had more of a political debate, though it too was an excuse to watch characters punch eachother.

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    There is no Great Batman vs. Superman Debate, apart from whether Batman is clever and rich enough to overcome Superman possessing every other advantage.
     
    Hey, according to SJWs, everything must be measured according to the WOKE scale, and that includes pop singers (Taylor Swift is pure thoughtcrime) and superheroes:

    1. Superman: symbolically conveys the idea that immigrants are better than natives. Verdict: WOKE

    2. Batman: WASP nativist. Verdict: un-Woke

    3. Wonder Woman: Feminism+ LGBTQ. Verdict: uber-WOKE

    4. Spider-Man: walking symbol of White cishet privilege. Verdict: un-WOKE, needs to be killed off and replaced with Black Latinx Miles Morales...IMMEDIATELY!

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  55. @Dr. X

    Obama said his greatest “regret and disappointment” was the failure to enact tighter controls on gun possession.
     
    So... a man who will have armed Secret Service protection for the rest of his life warns us against an American Hitler... yet he regrets not taking our guns away.

    That sonofabitch.

    Now you’re insulting bitches.

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  56. guest says:
    @Thomas
    Steve, you may have fun for a long time charting the post-Presidential career of Barack Obama. Either that, or die of boredom.

    ...in the great Batman vs. Superman debate, for instance, we learned Obama sides with Batman...
     
    The self-made superhero and not the orphan with alien roots that made him what he was? Seems a bit aspirational, though I suppose both Obama and Batman have parental absence as part of their histories and motivations.

    Batman is self-made in the sense of getting his powers from technology, because he’s merely human. But let’s not forget he’s “to the (Wayne) manor born.” Superman could be from alien royalty (I don’t know), but here he was just a farmboy.

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  57. guest says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    6 million people died? Between 50 and 80 million people died! The Jews were only the start.

    Technically, their own disabled Aryans were the start. Families of people institutionalized with mental or physical disabilities got form letters stating the so-and-so had died of appendicitis or measles. When they protested that so-and-so's appendix had been taken out when she was 6 or Junior had measles when he was 3, the Nazis changed the form letters to blame pneumonia.

    Guy knows less about history than I know about quantum physics.

    The quote clearly says sixty million, not six.

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  58. guest says:
    @Art Deco
    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it. John Adams read a hell of a lot of it.

    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.

    Is this a serious question? Not much history worth reading before 1826? No such thing as the classics?

    All that time from Herodotus to modern scholarship, what do we find? Scribbles and bibbles?

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    Why not respond to what I actually said or offer an opinion of your own (rather than replying to something I did not say)?
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  59. @Mr. Anon
    I bet Barack Obama has never even read a book on Germany, let alone Germany in the interwar years. What he knows is probably just what he picked up from TV and movies.

    Precisely: Barry’s idea of intellectually hip material is Rules for Radicals. What an embarrassment! I remember listening to his 1st convention speech and thinking, This uneducated empty suit is full of shit

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    I remember listening to his 1st convention speech and thinking, This uneducated empty suit is full of shit

     

    "So this is the pinnacle of Harvard."
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  60. syonredux says:
    @Mr. Anon

    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.
     
    Gibbon?

    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.

    Gibbon?

    John Adams was a big fan of Gibbon. He was also very conversant with David Hume’s The History of England and the writings of William Robertson.

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  61. syonredux says:
    @guest
    There is no Great Batman vs. Superman Debate, apart from whether Batman is clever and rich enough to overcome Superman possessing every other advantage.

    That movie was a muddle on the theme/message front.

    The Marvel Civil War stuff had more of a political debate, though it too was an excuse to watch characters punch eachother.

    There is no Great Batman vs. Superman Debate, apart from whether Batman is clever and rich enough to overcome Superman possessing every other advantage.

    Hey, according to SJWs, everything must be measured according to the WOKE scale, and that includes pop singers (Taylor Swift is pure thoughtcrime) and superheroes:

    1. Superman: symbolically conveys the idea that immigrants are better than natives. Verdict: WOKE

    2. Batman: WASP nativist. Verdict: un-Woke

    3. Wonder Woman: Feminism+ LGBTQ. Verdict: uber-WOKE

    4. Spider-Man: walking symbol of White cishet privilege. Verdict: un-WOKE, needs to be killed off and replaced with Black Latinx Miles Morales…IMMEDIATELY!

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  62. syonredux says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?
     
    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it. John Adams read a hell of a lot of it.

    Presidents are usually too busy making history to read much of it, though.

    Theodore Roosevelt wrote some of it.

    Indeed. His The Naval War of 1812 is regarded as a a classic in the field.

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  63. Pericles says:
    @Meretricious
    Precisely: Barry's idea of intellectually hip material is Rules for Radicals. What an embarrassment! I remember listening to his 1st convention speech and thinking, This uneducated empty suit is full of shit

    I remember listening to his 1st convention speech and thinking, This uneducated empty suit is full of shit

    “So this is the pinnacle of Harvard.”

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    Barry never went to Harvard. He went to "Harvard"--folly?
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  64. Would it be Reductio ad Hitlerum of me to note that that Obama is a follower of the Goebbels fork of The Big Lie?

    Tell it big, tell it often … stick to it no matter how absurd it may seem.

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    Would it be Reductio ad Hitlerum of me to note that that Obama is a follower of the Goebbels fork of The Big Lie?
     
    nah

    closer to Reductio ad Propagandum.
    True, Goebbels is said to have said that, but the Brits were master craftsmen of the Big Lie --
    evidence preserved right here, courtesy of Ron Unz:

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/MahlThomas-1998

    and
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-conquest-of-the-united-states-by-britain/

    in addition to
    Churchill's Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29635592-churchill-s-ministry-of-ungentlemanly-warfare

    Germans were actually pikers in the propaganda field; according to an obscure booklet by E H Gombrich, an art critic who worked as a radio monitor for the Brits during the unpleasantness in Europe, Goebbels was too prissy-insistent on aesthetics, hewed too close to truthiness.
    , @guest
    Of course, the "big lie" idea comes from Mein Kampf, and is attributed by Hitler to the Jews.

    Anyway, it's not a matter of just lying bigly and sticking by your guns no matter how absurd. The idea is that the lie not be absurd but simply so big that people will believe it on the basis of no one being willing to believe the liar would be quite *that* deceitful.

    I don't think it really has much meaning anymore, when people are aware on a basic level of the idea of propaganda, and there's a very low level of confidence that anyone tells the truth in public anymore. But it retains some relevance.

    For instance, let's say the case for WMDs in Iraq was a deliberate lie. Instead of a mixture of incompetence and pushing for a foregone conclusion, it was invented out of whole cloth. If found out, that could ruin the War Party's credibility for generations. Therefore, it gives normal people pause: would they really risk lying like that? Isn't that too much to believe? This, despite the fact that organizations like the CIA are known as lie factory.

    But WMDs weren't sold on a Big Lie basis. If it wasn't an honest mistake, it was a bunch little to medium lies, with plausible deniability along the way.

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  65. nebulafox says:
    @Barnard

    Still, the U.S. has survived tough times before and will again, he noted, particularly mentioning the days of communist fighter Joseph McCarthy and former President Richard Nixon.
     
    The biggest threats the United States faced in the 20th Century were an anti-Communist senator and a President who was forced to resign. If not for our "free press," all would have been lost.

    That’s what happened in Germany in the 1930s, which despite the democracy of the Weimar Republic and centuries of high-level cultural and scientific achievements, Adolph(sic) Hitler rose to dominate, Obama noted. “Sixty million people died. . . .So, you’ve got to pay attention. And vote.”
     
    I wonder how a transcript would read, this is George W. Bush level ignorance if not beyond it. Does he think Germany had some long history of democracy prior to the 1930s? Does he think the Weimar Republic was some great success that Hitler drove off the rails? Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

    >Who was the last President we had who had some actual knowledge of world history?

    Ironically enough, the answer to that for the GOP would be probably be… Richard Nixon.

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  66. Barnard says:
    @Art Deco
    this is George W. Bush level ignorance i

    The real George W. Bush is an avid consumer of academic history.

    I know he read a lot of books, but any interviews with him proved he was no more knowledgeable about history than this example from Obama. He truly believes that Islam is a religion of peace.

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    but any interviews with him proved he was no more knowledgeable about history than this example from Obama.

    You ran through the transcripts of his interviews? And his interviews, unlike the interview with any other elected official you're likely to see had the quality of academic colloquia?
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  67. Art Deco says:
    @guest
    Is this a serious question? Not much history worth reading before 1826? No such thing as the classics?

    All that time from Herodotus to modern scholarship, what do we find? Scribbles and bibbles?

    Why not respond to what I actually said or offer an opinion of your own (rather than replying to something I did not say)?

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    I did respond to what you've u actually said, which was so silly that I legitimately thought it might be a joke.
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  68. Art Deco says:
    @Zach
    But when you can’t run yourself, you can always run your wife, which people say he will do. Senators back in the 1940s probably hadn’t envisioned that when they passed the 22nd amendment.

    I’ll wager it did occur to them.

    1. The Argentine military sent an ultimatum to Juan Domingo Peron in 1951 when he wanted to put his wife on his election ticket.

    2. You had a number of former first ladies around at the time, including Eleanor Roosevelt, who had business interests and a public presence distinct from her husband’s from about 1926 onward. This included a regular newspaper column. She actually held a quasi-diplomatic position at the time.

    When a legislator dies in office, it’s not rare for his wife to run for his seat. However, you haven’t had many examples in this country of men running their wives as decoys for term-limited executive positions. If I’m not mistaken, the number of times this has happened in the last century at the state level is in the single digits.

    See Pat Buchanan’s assessment of Michelle Obama: she doesn’t like public life.

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  69. American democracy is fragile, and unless care is taken it could follow the path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s…The danger is “grow(ing) complacent,” Obama said. “We have to tend to this garden of democracy or else things could fall apart quickly…Sixty million people died…So, you’ve got to pay attention. And vote.”

    Democracy. He keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

    Obama is talking about murder, genocide, and invading your neighbors as the worst outcome of democracy. If there is a way to create contempt for democracy among the general public I imagine it would be by having leaders completely ignore perfectly reasonable, non-murderous laws supported overwhelmingly by the people. So let us, the elite, tend ‘this little garden of democracy’ by ignoring the votes of the 59% of Caifornians who want their immigration laws enforced (1994); by ignoring votes in several states to make English the official language; by overthrowing the votes of tens of millions of voters in 30+ states who don’t want gay marriage; etc.

    The elite have nothing but contempt for democracy. It is a ruse to make the people think we govern ourselves while the elite pursue their own agenda and look after only their own interests. But when voters dare to challenge the elite by casting a vote directly on a matter, which all too often is overturned or ignored, the mask slips.

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  70. Bill says:
    @Anonymous
    If there is a modern equivalent to Nazi Germany it is the PRC.

    -Immense and expanding economy
    -Annexing other countries and areas such as Tibet and islands in the South China Sea.
    -Ability to use their own population in other countries to reunite and aid the origin country.
    -Ramp up of military investment
    -Totalitarian and nationalistic government that practically prohibits immigration into their country but allows/encouraged emigration.

    Add:
    -Heavy handed meddling in other countries using their own people, bribery etc.
    -1.4B people of IQ > 100
    -Nuclear weapons

    But no, we've got to hunt down the last of the white people who desire to have countries or even suburbs or schools for themselves. We should also self-censor posts that attempt to add some social stigma to miscegenation. That's not who we are! And if we happen to be white now, that's not who we'll be in future!

    That makes Obama out to be pretty sympathetic. Is encouraging BLM really worse than going to war with China?

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  71. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    About what was he actually reading? Adams died in 1826. The bibliography of reliable histories would have been quite modest at that time.
     
    Gibbon?

    History, yes; reliable, no.

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    History, yes; reliable, no.
     
    Some parts of Gibbon are very reliable.....and the parts that are not are still beautiful examples of English prose.
    , @dfordoom

    History, yes; reliable, no.

     

    You think modern historians are reliable?

    Napoleon was right. History is lies agreed upon.
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  72. @Mr. Anon
    I bet Barack Obama has never even read a book on Germany, let alone Germany in the interwar years. What he knows is probably just what he picked up from TV and movies.

    Cut him some slack. At least he knows that in nearby Austria they speak Austrian.

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  73. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    History, yes; reliable, no.

    History, yes; reliable, no.

    Some parts of Gibbon are very reliable…..and the parts that are not are still beautiful examples of English prose.

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    Well, that's pretty much what it means to be not reliable. But I'll give you the beautiful prose. As for what Adams actually read, the Adams library catalogue is available on archive.org. Gibbon is there of course, but there's a lot of other history, including quite a lot I hadn't heard of. Probably Adams didn't read everything there, but it's quite an interesting selection, and as I think the introduction states particularly strong on history.
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  74. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    History, yes; reliable, no.
     
    Some parts of Gibbon are very reliable.....and the parts that are not are still beautiful examples of English prose.

    Well, that’s pretty much what it means to be not reliable. But I’ll give you the beautiful prose. As for what Adams actually read, the Adams library catalogue is available on archive.org. Gibbon is there of course, but there’s a lot of other history, including quite a lot I hadn’t heard of. Probably Adams didn’t read everything there, but it’s quite an interesting selection, and as I think the introduction states particularly strong on history.

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  75. Eagle Eye says:
    @Art Deco
    this is George W. Bush level ignorance i

    The real George W. Bush is an avid consumer of academic history.

    The real George W. Bush is an avid consumer of academic history.

    So THAT’S what Cheney was doing in Iraq when I was president! Wow!

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  76. Eagle Eye says:
    @JollyOldSoul
    Obama moved from that to talking about a nativist mistrust and unease that has swept around the world.

    How strange it is that there's so much "nativist mistrust" of an immigration policy that is built on so many blatant falsehoods. The lies told by the immivasion lobby are as uncountable as the stars.

    nativist mistrust

    Nativist distrust is a snooty, derogatory term for voter disapproval.

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  77. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    If there is a modern equivalent to Nazi Germany it is the PRC.

    -Immense and expanding economy
    -Annexing other countries and areas such as Tibet and islands in the South China Sea.
    -Ability to use their own population in other countries to reunite and aid the origin country.
    -Ramp up of military investment
    -Totalitarian and nationalistic government that practically prohibits immigration into their country but allows/encouraged emigration.

    Add:
    -Heavy handed meddling in other countries using their own people, bribery etc.
    -1.4B people of IQ > 100
    -Nuclear weapons

    But no, we've got to hunt down the last of the white people who desire to have countries or even suburbs or schools for themselves. We should also self-censor posts that attempt to add some social stigma to miscegenation. That's not who we are! And if we happen to be white now, that's not who we'll be in future!

    That’s not who we are!

    There should be a way to score that phrase to get the Obama-nique pathos:

    THAt’s notwhowe aRE!

    Scrunch up face — then widen eyes — then look straight ahead.
    Summon your smuggest mug.

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  78. @The Alarmist
    Would it be Reductio ad Hitlerum of me to note that that Obama is a follower of the Goebbels fork of The Big Lie?

    Tell it big, tell it often ... stick to it no matter how absurd it may seem.

    Would it be Reductio ad Hitlerum of me to note that that Obama is a follower of the Goebbels fork of The Big Lie?

    nah

    closer to Reductio ad Propagandum.
    True, Goebbels is said to have said that, but the Brits were master craftsmen of the Big Lie –
    evidence preserved right here, courtesy of Ron Unz:

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/MahlThomas-1998

    and

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-conquest-of-the-united-states-by-britain/

    in addition to
    Churchill’s Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29635592-churchill-s-ministry-of-ungentlemanly-warfare

    Germans were actually pikers in the propaganda field; according to an obscure booklet by E H Gombrich, an art critic who worked as a radio monitor for the Brits during the unpleasantness in Europe, Goebbels was too prissy-insistent on aesthetics, hewed too close to truthiness.

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  79. @Pericles

    I remember listening to his 1st convention speech and thinking, This uneducated empty suit is full of shit

     

    "So this is the pinnacle of Harvard."

    Barry never went to Harvard. He went to “Harvard”–folly?

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  80. Obama said. “We have to tend to this garden of democracy”

    Now he’s talking like Chauncey Gardener? I suppose its fitting as they seem to have the same intellectual depth.

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  81. MBlanc46 says:
    @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    I just had a revelation. Probably not worth much in the large scheme of things.

    Barack Obama may live in posterity as the least noteworthy president ever.

    He’ll be on the short list for most destructive, not the least noteworthy. Perhaps you didn’t notice: He’s BLACK.

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  82. guest says:
    @Art Deco
    Why not respond to what I actually said or offer an opinion of your own (rather than replying to something I did not say)?

    I did respond to what you’ve u actually said, which was so silly that I legitimately thought it might be a joke.

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    I did respond to what you’ve u actually said, which was so silly that I legitimately thought it might be a joke.

    More Dunning-Kruger from you. Thanks for the chuckle.
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  83. guest says:
    @The Alarmist
    Would it be Reductio ad Hitlerum of me to note that that Obama is a follower of the Goebbels fork of The Big Lie?

    Tell it big, tell it often ... stick to it no matter how absurd it may seem.

    Of course, the “big lie” idea comes from Mein Kampf, and is attributed by Hitler to the Jews.

    Anyway, it’s not a matter of just lying bigly and sticking by your guns no matter how absurd. The idea is that the lie not be absurd but simply so big that people will believe it on the basis of no one being willing to believe the liar would be quite *that* deceitful.

    I don’t think it really has much meaning anymore, when people are aware on a basic level of the idea of propaganda, and there’s a very low level of confidence that anyone tells the truth in public anymore. But it retains some relevance.

    For instance, let’s say the case for WMDs in Iraq was a deliberate lie. Instead of a mixture of incompetence and pushing for a foregone conclusion, it was invented out of whole cloth. If found out, that could ruin the War Party’s credibility for generations. Therefore, it gives normal people pause: would they really risk lying like that? Isn’t that too much to believe? This, despite the fact that organizations like the CIA are known as lie factory.

    But WMDs weren’t sold on a Big Lie basis. If it wasn’t an honest mistake, it was a bunch little to medium lies, with plausible deniability along the way.

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    They're not the War Party ... they're the Stupid Party. Having made a big production about going in to get the WMDs, one would expect them to find and produce a couple of them, much like a cop drops a pistol next to the perp he unjustly shot, to show the original mission was accomplished.

    The GOP isn't alone here: The Obama administration should have at least produced the body of OBL after the "successful" raid on his compound. I'm sure the willing accomplices in the MSM would have looked past the freezer burn.
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  84. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon
    History, yes; reliable, no.

    History, yes; reliable, no.

    You think modern historians are reliable?

    Napoleon was right. History is lies agreed upon.

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  85. @guest
    Of course, the "big lie" idea comes from Mein Kampf, and is attributed by Hitler to the Jews.

    Anyway, it's not a matter of just lying bigly and sticking by your guns no matter how absurd. The idea is that the lie not be absurd but simply so big that people will believe it on the basis of no one being willing to believe the liar would be quite *that* deceitful.

    I don't think it really has much meaning anymore, when people are aware on a basic level of the idea of propaganda, and there's a very low level of confidence that anyone tells the truth in public anymore. But it retains some relevance.

    For instance, let's say the case for WMDs in Iraq was a deliberate lie. Instead of a mixture of incompetence and pushing for a foregone conclusion, it was invented out of whole cloth. If found out, that could ruin the War Party's credibility for generations. Therefore, it gives normal people pause: would they really risk lying like that? Isn't that too much to believe? This, despite the fact that organizations like the CIA are known as lie factory.

    But WMDs weren't sold on a Big Lie basis. If it wasn't an honest mistake, it was a bunch little to medium lies, with plausible deniability along the way.

    They’re not the War Party … they’re the Stupid Party. Having made a big production about going in to get the WMDs, one would expect them to find and produce a couple of them, much like a cop drops a pistol next to the perp he unjustly shot, to show the original mission was accomplished.

    The GOP isn’t alone here: The Obama administration should have at least produced the body of OBL after the “successful” raid on his compound. I’m sure the willing accomplices in the MSM would have looked past the freezer burn.

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  86. Art Deco says:
    @Barnard
    I know he read a lot of books, but any interviews with him proved he was no more knowledgeable about history than this example from Obama. He truly believes that Islam is a religion of peace.

    but any interviews with him proved he was no more knowledgeable about history than this example from Obama.

    You ran through the transcripts of his interviews? And his interviews, unlike the interview with any other elected official you’re likely to see had the quality of academic colloquia?

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    You ran through the transcripts of his interviews? And his interviews, unlike the interview with any other elected official you’re likely to see had the quality of academic colloquia?
     
    Have you, you officious clown? Do tell us more about the superior intellect and wisdom of George W. "Cokehead-Alcoholic" Bush, you fawning toady idiot.
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  87. Art Deco says:
    @guest
    I did respond to what you've u actually said, which was so silly that I legitimately thought it might be a joke.

    I did respond to what you’ve u actually said, which was so silly that I legitimately thought it might be a joke.

    More Dunning-Kruger from you. Thanks for the chuckle.

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    I don't know what you thought you said but to me and other imbeciles at my abysmal IQ level it seemed like "guest" had put the correct construction on your words. Would it be too much to ask you to clarify?
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  88. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    I did respond to what you’ve u actually said, which was so silly that I legitimately thought it might be a joke.

    More Dunning-Kruger from you. Thanks for the chuckle.

    I don’t know what you thought you said but to me and other imbeciles at my abysmal IQ level it seemed like “guest” had put the correct construction on your words. Would it be too much to ask you to clarify?

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  89. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    but any interviews with him proved he was no more knowledgeable about history than this example from Obama.

    You ran through the transcripts of his interviews? And his interviews, unlike the interview with any other elected official you're likely to see had the quality of academic colloquia?

    You ran through the transcripts of his interviews? And his interviews, unlike the interview with any other elected official you’re likely to see had the quality of academic colloquia?

    Have you, you officious clown? Do tell us more about the superior intellect and wisdom of George W. “Cokehead-Alcoholic” Bush, you fawning toady idiot.

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