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A curious story in the WSJ:

Palantir Sued Over Alleged Hiring Discrimination

Labor Department says data-mining firm has shown bias against Asian job applicants since at least 2010

By TIM HIGGINS
Updated Sept. 27, 2016 1:09 a.m. ET

Palantir Technologies has discriminated systematically against Asian job applicants since at least January 2010, the U.S. Department of Labor said in a lawsuit filed Monday.

The Palo Alto, Calif., data-mining firm is one of the world’s most valuable private companies, best known for helping the U.S. track down Osama bin Laden. It has been been party to more than $340 million in federal contracts since January 2010, according to the complaint, and counts the Federal Bureau of Investigation and U.S. Army among its clients.

“Federal contractors have an obligation to ensure that their hiring practices and policies are free of all forms of discrimination,” Patricia Shiu, director of the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Program, said in a statement.

From Patricia Shiu’s bio page on the Dept. of Labor site:

She represented workers in both individual and class action employment discrimination and harassment cases involving sex, race, sexual orientation, national origin, religion, immigration status, disability, and domestic violence. … She is the recipient of many awards, including the Joe Morozumi Lifetime Achievement Award, the Abby J. Leibman Pursuit of Justice Award, and the Pacific Asian American Women Bay Area’s “Woman Warrior Award.”

So, no bias there!

The WSJ goes on:

… The accusation that Palantir discriminated against Asians is an oddity in Silicon Valley, where big companies including Google parent Alphabet Inc. and Facebook Inc. have been criticized for hiring too many white and Asian engineers, and too few blacks and Hispanics. …

The suit cited several instances of bias. For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.

“The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in 3.4 million,” the government said in the filing.

In case you are wondering, here’s Wikipedia on Palantir:

Palantir Technologies, Inc. is a private American software and services company, specializing in big data analysis. Founded in 2004, Palantir’s original clients were federal agencies of the United States Intelligence Community (USIC). … The company is known for two software projects in particular: Palantir Gotham is used by counter-terrorism analysts at offices in the USIC and United States Department of Defense, fraud investigators at the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, and cyber analysts at Information Warfare Monitor (responsible for the GhostNet and the Shadow Network investigations). … As of December 2014 the company continued to have diverse private funders, such as Kenneth Langone and Stanley Druckenmiller, In-Q-Tel of the CIA, Tiger Global Management, and Founders Fund. As of December 2014, Peter Thiel was Palantir’s largest shareholder. In January 2015, the company was valued at US$15 billion after an undisclosed round of funding with US$50 million in November 2014.

… Early investments were $2 million from the US Central Intelligence Agency venture arm In-Q-Tel, and $30 million from Thiel and his firm, Founders Fund. …

Palantir developed its technology by computer scientists and analysts from intelligence agencies over three years, through pilots facilitated by In-Q-Tel. The software concept grew out of technology developed at PayPal to detect fraudulent activity, much of it conducted by Russian organized crime syndicates.

Palantir partner Information Warfare Monitor used Palantir software to uncover both the Ghostnet and the Shadow Network. The Ghostnet was a China-based cyber espionage network targeting 1,295 computers in 103 countries, including the Dalai Lama’s office, a NATO computer and embassies. The Shadow Network was also a China-based espionage operation that hacked into the Indian security and defense apparatus. Cyber spies stole documents related to Indian security, embassies abroad, and NATO troop activity in Afghanistan.

So, maybe, the reason Palantir gets 85% of its job applications for software engineer from Asians but only hires 44% Asian has something to do with, I don’t know, Chinese espionage?

 
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  1. The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart. I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians.

    My guess would be that palantir tackles novel, intricate problems and Asians tend to live up to the stereotype of being grinders. They’ll blow away a white kid when they face a problem that they’ve already been taught to master. But if the task requires orthogonal thinking, I’ll take the neck bearded white guy.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians."

    Palantir is involved in intelligence gathering for the US government. Perhaps the management doesn't want to hire Chinese, because a significant fraction of likely candidates might be spies, or could eventually be recruited to be spies.

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this - go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    , @AndrewR
    The chance that you know multiple people that work there, all of whom are "3 and 4 std dev above the average kind of smart" seems... unlikely.
    , @PiltdownMan

    The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart.
     
    Not to get nitpickingly literal, but surely you say that in a broad manner of speaking?

    Three standard deviations above the IQ mean is an IQ of about 155 or more. Four standard deviations implies an IQ of about 180 or more.

    The truth is that even the brainiest reaches of academia, such as the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ or the Harvard Fellows program wouldn't meet that definition of next-level smart across the board—let alone a place like Palantir.

    There's a lot of this kind of self-congratulatory hyperbole not just in Silicon Valley but also in the intelligence services.

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  2. LOL! Just reread the LOTR novels last week. The name Palantir is too much Kek in current-year racial politics.

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  3. So this is what it took to take down Gawker.

    Maybe the DOJ is concerned that Thiel will go after Hillary next.

    Or maybe Zuckerberg wants more Palo Alto real estate.

    In the fight against GhostNet and the Shadow Network, I think they were right to hire staff who look like Scarlett Johansson.

    She looks way more like Major Motoko Kusanagi than any of those 85% Asian applicants.

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  4. My guess is that DOL has wanted to do this to a Silicon Valley company for a while, but most such companies are well-connected and popular. Thiel supporting Trump gave them an opening.

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    • Replies: @dr kill
    That a thought such as this can clearly be correct tells us everything we need to know about the Obama regime. Hillary would be worse. The scalping will begin the last week of January. Remember Travelgate?
    , @Pseudonymic Handle
    Agree.
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  5. Perhaps Steve can speculate on *why* the Labor department would want to do this, ’cause I can’t figure out who this will make happy. Surely Asians in IT are not eager for diversity lawsuits against Silicon Valley companies? Who then? Democratic constituents complaining that Silicon Valley is too White-and-Asian? Hillary Clinton, facing a challenge from Trump on immigration?

    Strange!

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Maybe Patricia Shiu standing up for her Chinese side of the family?

    The Obama Administration out to get Peter Thiel for endorsing Trump?

    , @Anonymous
    The only upshot is that white males cannot possibly be allowed to win.
    , @snorlax
    It's presumably at the behest of other tech companies, to punish him for not toeing the line on H-1Bs. (Not sure what his views are, but Trump support is objectively anti-H-1B).
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  6. @DPG
    The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart. I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they're prejudiced against Asians.

    My guess would be that palantir tackles novel, intricate problems and Asians tend to live up to the stereotype of being grinders. They'll blow away a white kid when they face a problem that they've already been taught to master. But if the task requires orthogonal thinking, I'll take the neck bearded white guy.

    “I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians.”

    Palantir is involved in intelligence gathering for the US government. Perhaps the management doesn’t want to hire Chinese, because a significant fraction of likely candidates might be spies, or could eventually be recruited to be spies.

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this – go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

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    why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm?
     
    The intelligence community needs to stay on the cutting edge but the federal government isn't exactly known for being innovative. Also, being an investor is probably pretty good leverage when you're trying to convince some anarcho-capitalist tech geeks that putting a backdoor in their firmware isn't really going against their beliefs.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this – go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?
     
    I'm confident the men who wrote the Constitution would say this is ultra vires, like having the unconstitutional Fed engage in an unconstitutional bailout of private companies. Or ceding war powers to the Executive. Or Departments of Education, Energy, Interior, HHS, HUD. It's a long list.

    That's why I don't take "Constitutional conservatives" seriously. The original Constitutional scheme was destroyed by the 14th and subsequent amendments, and the document means what those in power say it means regardless.
    , @The Alarmist

    "... why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm?"
     
    Why should the Congress Critters and their staffers be the only govt employees to get in on the ground floor of the next big thing? Where do you think they get all their insider trading ideas? Consider In-Q-Tel and it's peers to be a Co-investment scheme.
    , @27 year old
    >CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this – go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints?

    Interestingly enough, the Department of Agriculture is a major mortgage lender, or more accurately, a major guarantor of mortgage debt.

    http://www.rd.usda.gov/programs-services/single-family-housing-guaranteed-loan-program

    However, I don't think they did this with the intention of making money, and I doubt they are making money on the program.

    Another Charles Murray class divide marker: Do you know about USDA home loans?
    , @Tex
    The usual contracting processes get in the way of procuring super-dooper secret stuff. They like flexibility, low profiles, and getting the best value, not the lowest bid. The problem is that contracting processes are rigid in order to prevent abuse, like having your own tax-payer funded venture capital firm.
    , @AnotherDad

    Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?
     
    Department of Interior indeed. Well done.
    , @anonn
    There are more laws preventing wholesale theft of government money if the work is done through an actual government agency. By outsourcing such work to the "private sector" they get to loot the public purse, fire American workers, sell secrets to the Chinese, etc. Privatization and outsourcing have rarely, possibly never been about efficiencies. They're created to facilitate plutocrats stealing from taxpayers, plain and simple.
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  7. So does that mean that if 85% of qualified applicants are white that they better hire in line with that percentage? LOL. Sorry, don’t know what got in to me.

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    I was thinking the same thing. I didn't know hiring was supposed to match applicants' racial breakdown.

    BTW, is TheBoom The Boom the Japanese ska Okinawa band? I have about a dozen of their CD's from the 90's. Or something else?
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  8. @Vinay
    Perhaps Steve can speculate on *why* the Labor department would want to do this, 'cause I can't figure out who this will make happy. Surely Asians in IT are not eager for diversity lawsuits against Silicon Valley companies? Who then? Democratic constituents complaining that Silicon Valley is too White-and-Asian? Hillary Clinton, facing a challenge from Trump on immigration?

    Strange!

    Maybe Patricia Shiu standing up for her Chinese side of the family?

    The Obama Administration out to get Peter Thiel for endorsing Trump?

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    • Replies: @ATX Hipster

    The Obama Administration out to get Peter Thiel for endorsing Trump?
     
    That was my immediate gut-level reaction. If they actually cared about hiring practices they could go after a bigger fish like Google. Of course, 427 White House visits probably means Google doesn't have much to worry about there.
    , @eah
    Or maybe it's just an egregious abuse of power and taxpayer money by a despicable administration and its hack political appointees?

    Shiu is part of the Minority Occupation Government (and an ugly part at that).

    Nothing galls me more than these useless non-white rent-seeking parasites who now serve as diversity enforcement goons and overlords -- they are paid by money coerced from Whites and then turn around and tell us, in various way, what shitty racists we are. In our own country. Or what used to be our own country.

    , @Desiderius
    has something to do with, I don’t know, Chinese espionage?
    , @Vinay
    "Maybe Patricia Shiu standing up for her Chinese side of the family?"

    I can't imagine Silicon Valley Chinese thinking Federal discrimination lawsuits against tech are a great idea. The optics are terrible -- "only" 40 % Asian, 85 percent(!) Asian applicants, a rock-star company -- and they're surely smart enough to know it. Plus zero chances of enthusiastic support from the Democratic coalition.
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  9. The suit cited several instances of bias. For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.

    How does the government know who is “qualified”? Do they know what this company is looking for? And knowing precisely what this company and each hiring manager wants, did they interview 1,160 persons?

    Of course not. By qualified they mean “credentialed”, which is hardly the same thing. If this is the kind of evidence the government uses, companies will have to hire according to government mandated quotas by credential. And remember who you are getting – the schools will have to credential by racial quota as well.

    What this will lead to is the outsourcing of engineering functions. You don’t have to sit in the US to write code. Engineering teams will be set up in Israel, India, Japan. Idiocy.

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    How does the government know who is “qualified”? Do they know what this company is looking for? And knowing precisely what this company and each hiring manager wants, did they interview 1,160 persons?
     
    My thoughts exactly. If we go by what DPG (comment #1) said, Palantir employees tend to be exceptionally smart. If Silicon Valley SW engineering hiring situation is anything like here in Seattle, which is a safe assumption, there is no way that there are that many truly qualified applicants for each position. "Qualified" if you BS on your resume, yes.
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  10. @TheBoom
    So does that mean that if 85% of qualified applicants are white that they better hire in line with that percentage? LOL. Sorry, don't know what got in to me.

    I was thinking the same thing. I didn’t know hiring was supposed to match applicants’ racial breakdown.

    BTW, is TheBoom The Boom the Japanese ska Okinawa band? I have about a dozen of their CD’s from the 90′s. Or something else?

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  11. Yes, they’re trying to limit Chinese espionage. And Obama’s client China is pretty mad about it too!

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  12. SEC just brought an insider trading case against Leon Cooperman, who wrote an open letter to Obama criticizing his policies.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Is this true? Isn't this an abuse of power?
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  13. For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants

    So there is not a shortage of STEM workers after all . . .

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    • Replies: @dr kill
    Correct. They are in oversupply. Kids in my field are graduating with 200k debt and earning the same amount I made in 1985. Something's got to give.
    , @Anonymous
    Sometimes I see white mothers bragging about how their child is majoring in STEM, and I feel almost pity for them and want to tell them that the propaganda about the STEM shortage and STEM as a path to future career success is mostly a lie. But, I don't want to crush them, plus their child might be one of the exceptions who goes on to really make it big or to simply have a really very nice STEM career.
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  14. Maybe Patricia Shiu standing up for her Chinese side of the family?

    In the Obama Admin diversity wars she is just an amiable stooge who is told what to do and who to sue. Her Chinese side is vanishing because her children are only 25% so. The real purpose for pushing workplace diversity is to provide fictional gov’t employment for useless female basket weavers (armed with law degrees) and similar libs.

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  15. Palantir is significantly more Asian than the city it is headquartered in. Palantir is 44 percent Asian compared to Palo Alto which is only 27 percent Asian, so that company has a positive bias towards the Ching Chongs and the Slumdog Millionaires.

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  16. @Vinay
    Perhaps Steve can speculate on *why* the Labor department would want to do this, 'cause I can't figure out who this will make happy. Surely Asians in IT are not eager for diversity lawsuits against Silicon Valley companies? Who then? Democratic constituents complaining that Silicon Valley is too White-and-Asian? Hillary Clinton, facing a challenge from Trump on immigration?

    Strange!

    The only upshot is that white males cannot possibly be allowed to win.

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  17. What’s strange is that Asians are generally not counted as “real minorities” in silicon valley because we’re not oppressed enough. That’s why you hear a lot of whining about how tech isn’t diverse even though Asians are disproportionately represented.

    It’s possible that Patricia is just some type of SJW who, unable to push blacks and browns into the narrative, was force to use a less desirable victim group (Asians) to signal virtue.

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    • Agree: Jeff77450
    • Replies: @ic1000
    Patricia Shiu hasn't realized that blacks are 14% of the US population. Once she figures that out, she will amend her complaint so as to force Palantir to crash-hire top-level software engineers until that level is reached.

    America is in love with Diversity, the Justice Department should keep giving it to them good and hard. With the right policies imposed from above, the US can become as successful as Brazil. Or Burundi. Or Burma. You go Patty, the sky's the limit!
    , @Jefferson
    "It’s possible that Patricia is just some type of SJW"

    The majority of Asian Americans in general are Social Justice Warriors.
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  18. Doesn’t this suit set a federal (Democrat political) precedent that whites do not contribute to diversity? It seems like an inescapable conclusion, given federal diversity preferences for every other group except, it seemed before, Asians.

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  19. OT.

    The Guardian wonders whether James Flynn might be a crimethinker after all.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/27/james-flynn-race-iq-myths-does-your-family-make-you-smarter

    “Go to the American suburbs one evening,” says Flynn, “and find three professors. The Chinese professor’s kids immediately do their homework. The Jewish professor’s kids have to be yelled at. The black professor says: ‘Why don’t we go out and shoot a few baskets?”

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    I've just noticed - one paragraph on African American IQ scores contains three links - two to Rushton's work and one to this Unz Review piece

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/
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  20. Huge lawsuits about institutions that have a very large share of asians not being even more asian is the thing now, ask Harvard College, the oldest corporation in the United States.

    So, maybe, the reason Palantir gets 85% of its job applications for software engineer from Asians but only hires 44% Asian has something to do with, I don’t know, Chinese espionage?

    You got the “asian” wrong in the case of Palantir, whose niche of giant software contracts for large corporations and governments is heavily South Asian.

    The accusations might be all true, Palantir is the biggest company in the sub-niche for projects where you want the programmers to be majority American. Many companies in the same market will give you 100% Indian workforces for your project. That could be OK for a company like Pepsico, they are very international and I think they even have an Indian-American female CEO.

    But for the CIA, or even for the top projects at Wal-Mart, 100% Indian immigrants is too big of a culture clash.

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    Once upon a time there used to be a lot of fuss about institutions that had a very large share of Jews not being even more Jewish, ask Harvard College, the oldest corporation in the United States.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Palantir may work with India (along with working with Britain and Israel), but according to a recent NYT article it has a corporate policy of not working with China.
    , @Jefferson
    "But for the CIA, or even for the top projects at Wal-Mart, 100% Indian immigrants is too big of a culture clash."

    Do you ever experience culture shock/culture clash when going to a heavily Asian area of San Diego? Have you ever been to The San Gabriel Valley or a heavily Asian Bay Area suburb?
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  21. I’ve wondered about the legality of setting up an in-house foundation which grants supplemental pay to favored employees.

    The corporate pay is set low, so those you want to discriminate against aren’t attracted to apply, the people you favor get “grants” to supplement their pay.

    The corporation is not discriminating – all employees are paid low salaries. The foundation has freedom to discriminate, see scholarships for inner city blacks, science grants for female students, etc.

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  22. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT.

    The Guardian wonders whether James Flynn might be a crimethinker after all.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/27/james-flynn-race-iq-myths-does-your-family-make-you-smarter

    “Go to the American suburbs one evening,” says Flynn, “and find three professors. The Chinese professor’s kids immediately do their homework. The Jewish professor’s kids have to be yelled at. The black professor says: ‘Why don’t we go out and shoot a few baskets?"
     

    I’ve just noticed – one paragraph on African American IQ scores contains three links – two to Rushton’s work and one to this Unz Review piece

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

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  23. @Lot
    Huge lawsuits about institutions that have a very large share of asians not being even more asian is the thing now, ask Harvard College, the oldest corporation in the United States.


    So, maybe, the reason Palantir gets 85% of its job applications for software engineer from Asians but only hires 44% Asian has something to do with, I don’t know, Chinese espionage?
     
    You got the "asian" wrong in the case of Palantir, whose niche of giant software contracts for large corporations and governments is heavily South Asian.

    The accusations might be all true, Palantir is the biggest company in the sub-niche for projects where you want the programmers to be majority American. Many companies in the same market will give you 100% Indian workforces for your project. That could be OK for a company like Pepsico, they are very international and I think they even have an Indian-American female CEO.

    But for the CIA, or even for the top projects at Wal-Mart, 100% Indian immigrants is too big of a culture clash.

    Once upon a time there used to be a lot of fuss about institutions that had a very large share of Jews not being even more Jewish, ask Harvard College, the oldest corporation in the United States.

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    Once upon a time there used to be a lot of fuss about institutions that had a very large share of Jews not being even more Jewish, ask Harvard College
     
    It was a reasonable policy initially, and Harvard dropped it eventually when it no longer made sense. Discrimination lawsuits were not necessary. Even for the policy's "victims," going to a good sub-Harvard college was hardly a grand injustice. And the 20% or so of Jews at Harvard during the Jewish quota era got what they wanted: a chance to assimilate into the American elite. That would have been harder to do in 1925 or 30 if it had been 35-40% Jewish.

    The policy was more questionable for medical schools that had Jewish quotas.
    , @biz
    That was because of explicit quotas - caps on the number of Jews allowed entry, no matter how qualified they might be. It is similar to what Malaysia currently does to its Chinese minority.
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  24. Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.

    Trump just did not remind me of a Republican who wins statewide in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

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    • Replies: @5371
    [Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight]
    > after Brexit
    > using betting markets to predict
    And no mention of your own prediction that the media would call Trump the winner?
    , @fnn
    Czechs think Trump won:
    http://motls.blogspot.com/2016/09/most-czech-viewers-trump-won-1st-debate.html

    The American media claim that polls shows that about 70% think that Hillary has won and 30% think that Trump has won. The percentages are reverted in the Czech media. A poll at center-right mainstream server iDNES.cz shows a 2-to-1 vote in favor of Trump's victory in the debate. A discussion on the major traditional left-wing Novinky.cz server shows a much bigger support for the comments in favor of Trump.

    I feel closer to iDNES.cz readers so here are the top upvoted comments as of this moment:

    Petr Novák, 47+/0–

    Cybersecurity. Clinton: All hackers are from Russia. ... :-D

    František Popluhař, 66/3

    OMG, when Hillary is smiling, it sends shivers down my spine. If a new remake of the One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest will be shot, I have a proposal for the role of the insane nurse.

    Tonda Hejlík, 90/6

    So far it's typical. Donald wants to lower the taxes to stop firms from fleeing abroad or returning to the U.S. Hillary wants to invest, increase wages, welfare payments, but she doesn't say who will pay the bill. Typical socialist wasting out of other people's money.

    Tomáš Vrábel, 74/6

    Trump: Secretary Clinton, what's your plan?

    Clinton: Look at my website – sometimes she changed "website" to her "book". She couldn't add anything, not even a general cliché.

    If the Democrats were trying to make sure that she shows that she has a plan, unlike Trump, it hasn't been successful so far.

    Karel Nedopil, 66/6

    An empty and fake [two adjectives that ex-president Klaus used against a center-right prime minister in a legendary SMS message] Hillary Clinton will send the U.S. to an even faster decline. She really has no plan.

    Jiří Fogel, 32/1

    Given the careful methods with which "ert" is praising his favorite politician Clinton, it seems that she hasn't done too well. ;-)

    Štěpán Binko, 30/1

    If the ... [c*nt] really said that the financial crisis was caused by the reduction of the taxes for the rich, I will really start to pray for a Trump victory.

    Petr Michalík, 39/3

    Trump: "You are informing the ISIS about your plans in advance. Then you are fighting them for your whole life."

    Clinton: "You want to lower the taxes for you and your family to have even higher profits."

    Trump was more to the point, clearer. Clinton was closer to clichés and began with her family and granddaughter's 2nd birthday. Maybe the female voters will be impressed by that.

    Jan Souček, 35/3

    According to the information in the article, Trump is right at least when he claims that the companies are moving to Asia where the labor is cheaper and therefore steal the jobs from America. It's happening to Europe, too. He's also right that the U.S. is responsible for the birth of the Islamic State. I am not sure whether the Iraq invasion was the cause but it surely hasn't helped to calm the atmosphere in the region. Clinton's talk was dominated by the traditional political clichés we know from our politicians, too.

    Hoang Anh Binh [Vietnamese Czech], 33/3

    When one is listening what comrade Clinton is saying, it sounds just like the vacuous clichés from [Czech socialist prime minister] Sobotka. [I couldn't distinguish this comment from an all-Czech right-wing commenter.]
     
    , @Clyde

    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. Trump just did not remind me of a Republican who wins statewide in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.
     
    My bet is that in the polling this this week Trump will still be doing great in the new swing state of Colorado. And not get hurt in the states you mention. Down a point at most. Wisconsin is always the most dicey for Trump.
    , @Studley
    I sort of agree from overseas watching it on tv as a neutral.

    'swings and roundabouts'. Who was laying more punches on who?

    Trump got bruised but he was as good in debate as Dukakis in '88 against first President Bush.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Lot still mad Cruz got rolled by the Trump Train. News at 11.
    , @AnotherDad

    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.
     
    I watched a good hour, before i had to leave for my scout meeting. For someone who really cares it was painful. Hillary was not "good"--she was her usual smarmy self, with the typical Democrat\big-state crap about a plan for everything. And she is deathly boring. But she showed up to do her shtick competently.

    I'm guessing that the betting markets had a lot of people like me, who aware of Hillary's vulnerabilities and the opportunities to clear make a nationalist case *expected*--had "priced in"-- Trump to show up and do some of that. And he utterly failed to do so.
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  25. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe Patricia Shiu standing up for her Chinese side of the family?

    The Obama Administration out to get Peter Thiel for endorsing Trump?

    The Obama Administration out to get Peter Thiel for endorsing Trump?

    That was my immediate gut-level reaction. If they actually cared about hiring practices they could go after a bigger fish like Google. Of course, 427 White House visits probably means Google doesn’t have much to worry about there.

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    Thought that immediately, too. But, this legal pursuit will have the unintended consequences of having all the pan-Asian guys and white guys working in SV realize that an existential crisis looms over them: their hopes of having a family - affording it; hanging on to their job/a job, once they are middle-aged.

    The American People & the future of the USA is at stake. This will galvanize more people, not just the ones who are working in SV to vote for Trump. Why in the world would they not? No one will vote against their economic interests ever again...2008 Wall Street-owned crisis was the last straw. Even the What's the Matter with Kansas people are voting for Trump.

    Remembering Herman's, "the rent is too damn high," together with "Everyday" American's reality (all worker bees) in SV/Pacific Northwest, will instill a sense of dread. So many of the techies still have student loans to pay, and the cleaners, cooks, security personnel, yoga instructors, etc. at these corporations are dependent on the paycheck. Brexit was the first calving of the EU iceberg, after all.

    OT: my wonderful late father often said, "this country has too many lawyers, and, eventually too many frivolous lawsuits, or unwinnable lawsuits, will bankrupt the USA, destroy companies that employ thousands of people who are dependent on their paychecks." No other country in the world has a zest for lawsuits like the US. Was it Shakespeare who said something about offing lawyers? I'm too tired to remember the specific words.

    I expect massive amounts of people to just hide who they will vote for. Upshot: no stupid, wasteful lawn signs to ruin the Halloween decor. As a person concerned with aesthetics, this is quite nice.

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  26. @Mr. Anon
    "I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians."

    Palantir is involved in intelligence gathering for the US government. Perhaps the management doesn't want to hire Chinese, because a significant fraction of likely candidates might be spies, or could eventually be recruited to be spies.

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this - go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm?

    The intelligence community needs to stay on the cutting edge but the federal government isn’t exactly known for being innovative. Also, being an investor is probably pretty good leverage when you’re trying to convince some anarcho-capitalist tech geeks that putting a backdoor in their firmware isn’t really going against their beliefs.

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    "The intelligence community needs to stay on the cutting edge.........."

    Who says? Them? What statutory authority is there for a government agency to go into business? Or is the CIA supposed to be above the law?
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  27. @Vinay
    Perhaps Steve can speculate on *why* the Labor department would want to do this, 'cause I can't figure out who this will make happy. Surely Asians in IT are not eager for diversity lawsuits against Silicon Valley companies? Who then? Democratic constituents complaining that Silicon Valley is too White-and-Asian? Hillary Clinton, facing a challenge from Trump on immigration?

    Strange!

    It’s presumably at the behest of other tech companies, to punish him for not toeing the line on H-1Bs. (Not sure what his views are, but Trump support is objectively anti-H-1B).

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  28. @Lot
    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.

    Trump just did not remind me of a Republican who wins statewide in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

    [Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight]
    > after Brexit
    > using betting markets to predict
    And no mention of your own prediction that the media would call Trump the winner?

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    And no mention of your own prediction that the media would call Trump the winner?
     
    I didn't think she'd win so clearly.

    > after Brexit
     
    Well if they were perfect predictors, they would not be very fun.

    The market probably overreacted. The polls over the next two days will be more important.
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  29. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe Patricia Shiu standing up for her Chinese side of the family?

    The Obama Administration out to get Peter Thiel for endorsing Trump?

    Or maybe it’s just an egregious abuse of power and taxpayer money by a despicable administration and its hack political appointees?

    Shiu is part of the Minority Occupation Government (and an ugly part at that).

    Nothing galls me more than these useless non-white rent-seeking parasites who now serve as diversity enforcement goons and overlords — they are paid by money coerced from Whites and then turn around and tell us, in various way, what shitty racists we are. In our own country. Or what used to be our own country.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I agree that Shiu is a rent-seeking parasite who has made a good living out of the diversity racket, but the Chinese have been here a long time. There's a good chance Shiu's Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu's Chinese ancestors did make this more of "your country" than Shiu's?

    One also notes the Orwellian deceit of calling a half-"white" person "non-white", unless you consider the Irish to be "non-white", which you presumably do not.

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    I think THE lasting memory of obummer's terms will be the complete and utter destruction of even a hint that our Federal alphabet agencies are anything but goon squads at the beck and call of the demoncrats.

    IRS, FBI, DOJ, DHS, etc.

    We are so FUBAR.
    , @Twinkie

    Minority Occupation Government
     
    While I share your indignation about rent-seeking parasites, non-white or not, let's get a little perspective.

    Blacks leverage their small percentage of the electorate well because they block-vote. But they hardly run any serious decision-making part of the government even with a half-black president in charge.

    Hispanics and Asians are too diverse and don't vote in large enough numbers to matter much politically. Although that may change in the future, the change as such is slower in coming than expected and, in any case, whites still dominate most institutions of power and influence.

    Your framing of "minority occupation government" vs. oppressed majority whites is therefore highly inaccurate and misleading. The real battle is between "Goodwhites" and "Badwhites," with the blacks siding with the former, and the rest (Hispanics and Asians) serving as invisible pawns at best.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that Hispanics and Asians do not matter - merely that their influence or any alleged roles in "minority occupation government" is highly exaggerated at best.
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  30. @bjdubbs
    SEC just brought an insider trading case against Leon Cooperman, who wrote an open letter to Obama criticizing his policies.

    Is this true? Isn’t this an abuse of power?

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  31. @Lot
    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.

    Trump just did not remind me of a Republican who wins statewide in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

    Czechs think Trump won:

    http://motls.blogspot.com/2016/09/most-czech-viewers-trump-won-1st-debate.html

    The American media claim that polls shows that about 70% think that Hillary has won and 30% think that Trump has won. The percentages are reverted in the Czech media. A poll at center-right mainstream server iDNES.cz shows a 2-to-1 vote in favor of Trump’s victory in the debate. A discussion on the major traditional left-wing Novinky.cz server shows a much bigger support for the comments in favor of Trump.

    I feel closer to iDNES.cz readers so here are the top upvoted comments as of this moment:

    Petr Novák, 47+/0–

    Cybersecurity. Clinton: All hackers are from Russia. … :-D

    František Popluhař, 66/3

    OMG, when Hillary is smiling, it sends shivers down my spine. If a new remake of the One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest will be shot, I have a proposal for the role of the insane nurse.

    Tonda Hejlík, 90/6

    So far it’s typical. Donald wants to lower the taxes to stop firms from fleeing abroad or returning to the U.S. Hillary wants to invest, increase wages, welfare payments, but she doesn’t say who will pay the bill. Typical socialist wasting out of other people’s money.

    Tomáš Vrábel, 74/6

    Trump: Secretary Clinton, what’s your plan?

    Clinton: Look at my website – sometimes she changed “website” to her “book”. She couldn’t add anything, not even a general cliché.

    If the Democrats were trying to make sure that she shows that she has a plan, unlike Trump, it hasn’t been successful so far.

    Karel Nedopil, 66/6

    An empty and fake [two adjectives that ex-president Klaus used against a center-right prime minister in a legendary SMS message] Hillary Clinton will send the U.S. to an even faster decline. She really has no plan.

    Jiří Fogel, 32/1

    Given the careful methods with which “ert” is praising his favorite politician Clinton, it seems that she hasn’t done too well. ;-)

    Štěpán Binko, 30/1

    If the … [c*nt] really said that the financial crisis was caused by the reduction of the taxes for the rich, I will really start to pray for a Trump victory.

    Petr Michalík, 39/3

    Trump: “You are informing the ISIS about your plans in advance. Then you are fighting them for your whole life.”

    Clinton: “You want to lower the taxes for you and your family to have even higher profits.”

    Trump was more to the point, clearer. Clinton was closer to clichés and began with her family and granddaughter’s 2nd birthday. Maybe the female voters will be impressed by that.

    Jan Souček, 35/3

    According to the information in the article, Trump is right at least when he claims that the companies are moving to Asia where the labor is cheaper and therefore steal the jobs from America. It’s happening to Europe, too. He’s also right that the U.S. is responsible for the birth of the Islamic State. I am not sure whether the Iraq invasion was the cause but it surely hasn’t helped to calm the atmosphere in the region. Clinton’s talk was dominated by the traditional political clichés we know from our politicians, too.

    Hoang Anh Binh [Vietnamese Czech], 33/3

    When one is listening what comrade Clinton is saying, it sounds just like the vacuous clichés from [Czech socialist prime minister] Sobotka. [I couldn't distinguish this comment from an all-Czech right-wing commenter.]

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    Not that the debate increased my respect for the vile sociopath Hillary one iota but she won the debate by any reasonable measure. She appeared healthy and, unlike Trump, she didn't ramble, interrupt the moderator, hit below the belt or go past her alotted time much if at all. Trump missed a lot of great opportunities. He also said some ridiculous things (like saying she'd been fighting ISIS her whole life). He also missed a great opportunity to call her out on a really really stupid thing she said (she implied that Trump unjustifiably believes women shouldn't get equal pay for inferior work).

    Trump really is not a serious candidate.

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  32. @Lot
    Huge lawsuits about institutions that have a very large share of asians not being even more asian is the thing now, ask Harvard College, the oldest corporation in the United States.


    So, maybe, the reason Palantir gets 85% of its job applications for software engineer from Asians but only hires 44% Asian has something to do with, I don’t know, Chinese espionage?
     
    You got the "asian" wrong in the case of Palantir, whose niche of giant software contracts for large corporations and governments is heavily South Asian.

    The accusations might be all true, Palantir is the biggest company in the sub-niche for projects where you want the programmers to be majority American. Many companies in the same market will give you 100% Indian workforces for your project. That could be OK for a company like Pepsico, they are very international and I think they even have an Indian-American female CEO.

    But for the CIA, or even for the top projects at Wal-Mart, 100% Indian immigrants is too big of a culture clash.

    Palantir may work with India (along with working with Britain and Israel), but according to a recent NYT article it has a corporate policy of not working with China.

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  33. @MC
    My guess is that DOL has wanted to do this to a Silicon Valley company for a while, but most such companies are well-connected and popular. Thiel supporting Trump gave them an opening.

    That a thought such as this can clearly be correct tells us everything we need to know about the Obama regime. Hillary would be worse. The scalping will begin the last week of January. Remember Travelgate?

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  34. The ‘Department of Labor’ needs to be shut down and given a burial, decent or otherwise.

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    Agreed.
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  35. @Triumph104

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants
     
    So there is not a shortage of STEM workers after all . . .

    Correct. They are in oversupply. Kids in my field are graduating with 200k debt and earning the same amount I made in 1985. Something’s got to give.

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  36. @Lot
    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.

    Trump just did not remind me of a Republican who wins statewide in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. Trump just did not remind me of a Republican who wins statewide in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

    My bet is that in the polling this this week Trump will still be doing great in the new swing state of Colorado. And not get hurt in the states you mention. Down a point at most. Wisconsin is always the most dicey for Trump.

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  37. The rather elastic term “Asian” includes both Indians and Chinese, among other ethnicities, as far as I know.

    Perhaps Palantir weeded out most Chinese applicants and took in Indians who accounted for most of the 44% of hires?

    I’m speculating, but perhaps some weird race-envy thing set off Ms. Chiu’s investigation and lawsuit? While working in Asia in the 1990s, I observed the sometimes severe face issues many Chinese professionals had relative to Indian professionals. This leads me to suspect something like that is at work.

    I find it hard to believe that anyone would blow the whistle and cry anti-Asian discrimination if fully 44% of the hires had been Chinese. More like somebody got wind of something along the lines of an Indian mafia at Palantir favoring their own and turned to a friendly Fed official. It may be a turf battle-and in their minds, white guys need not apply, so to speak.

    As I said, I’m freely speculating.

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    Seems possible.

    From the NYT:

    "Should Palantir keep working with the British government, despite its harsh press laws? The contracts continue. Some employees do not want Palantir aiding Israel, because they disagree with its policies toward Palestinians. There are still contracts with the Israeli government. Palantir has decided not to work with China."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/business/unlocking-secrets-if-not-its-own-value.html

    Judging from Palantir.com's Open Positions page, Palantir operates primarily in the Five Eyes or Anglo-Saxon Powers, the spy alliance that emerged out of the Alan Turing Era, along with northwestern Europe and Israel:

    https://www.palantir.com/careers/

    It's almost as if China, Russia, India, Pakistan, and Iran aren't part of the Team.

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  38. @PiltdownMan
    The rather elastic term "Asian" includes both Indians and Chinese, among other ethnicities, as far as I know.

    Perhaps Palantir weeded out most Chinese applicants and took in Indians who accounted for most of the 44% of hires?

    I'm speculating, but perhaps some weird race-envy thing set off Ms. Chiu's investigation and lawsuit? While working in Asia in the 1990s, I observed the sometimes severe face issues many Chinese professionals had relative to Indian professionals. This leads me to suspect something like that is at work.

    I find it hard to believe that anyone would blow the whistle and cry anti-Asian discrimination if fully 44% of the hires had been Chinese. More like somebody got wind of something along the lines of an Indian mafia at Palantir favoring their own and turned to a friendly Fed official. It may be a turf battle-and in their minds, white guys need not apply, so to speak.

    As I said, I'm freely speculating.

    Seems possible.

    From the NYT:

    “Should Palantir keep working with the British government, despite its harsh press laws? The contracts continue. Some employees do not want Palantir aiding Israel, because they disagree with its policies toward Palestinians. There are still contracts with the Israeli government. Palantir has decided not to work with China.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/business/unlocking-secrets-if-not-its-own-value.html

    Judging from Palantir.com’s Open Positions page, Palantir operates primarily in the Five Eyes or Anglo-Saxon Powers, the spy alliance that emerged out of the Alan Turing Era, along with northwestern Europe and Israel:

    https://www.palantir.com/careers/

    It’s almost as if China, Russia, India, Pakistan, and Iran aren’t part of the Team.

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    Yeah.

    In the normal commercial world, a private company that is a client, represents the majority of revenue to a service provider and wants to see some new faces across the table would simply drop a hint or two. But Palantir and the government are different-or rather, they are the same, in a deep state sense.

    I know about independence of executive departments in our government but it certainly appears that one arm of the executive, Ms. Shiu's, is working at cross purposes with another, namely, the national security apparatus that signs the checks to Palantir and requires high security employees at Palantir, i.e. white guys. I'm surprised no one has ridden herd higher up and and simply told her to shelve the investigation. Or maybe I'm not surprised.

    , @Anonymous
    Not working with China is pretty standard policy for government agencies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_exclusion_policy_of_NASA

    Also the Obama administration has been pushing hard for the TPP, the whole point of which is to exclude China.
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  39. @5371
    [Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight]
    > after Brexit
    > using betting markets to predict
    And no mention of your own prediction that the media would call Trump the winner?

    And no mention of your own prediction that the media would call Trump the winner?

    I didn’t think she’d win so clearly.

    > after Brexit

    Well if they were perfect predictors, they would not be very fun.

    The market probably overreacted. The polls over the next two days will be more important.

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    You watched 10 minutes and think she won clearly. Thanks for the insight.
    , @Buck Turgidson
    IMO, WAY too much is made of these presidential debates. The media whips up a huge frenzy b/c they want viewers but I don't think most people are looking for the best BSr and master of weasel words and slipperiness (at which cankles is pretty good), but rather a leader with a vision for the country. I believe Trump is greatly superior on the latter, and that last night's debate will be a distant memory by this coming weekend. I thought the debate was kind of boring. I thought hillary looked arrogant and dismissive and was kicking up a lot of dust with no ability to follow through and achieve on anything; and I thought Mr Trump missed several opportunities to take H out to the woodshed on obamacare, the world's highest corporate tax rate, wide open borders and cheap labor destroying job prospects for young black men, and her awful record and behavior on 'cybersecurity' when she set up her own server to do an end run around federal cybersecurity law and protocol.
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  40. You know, this needs more play. Diversity silliness is actually starting to affect *national security*. We’re not going to have smart people spying for us because they have to be the right shade. The Chinese have got to be laughing their heads off. Same with the Russians, though they’ve probably got a bottle of vodka open.

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    No, we have already had national security totally compromised by diversity.

    We have unindicted co conspirators of Al Qaeda and ISIS in the FBI and CIA. We have the Muslim brotherhood as the closest aide to our future president.

    We have had ethnic Chinese whose families are still under the direction control of the PRC in our national labs and IC for decades now.

    And the bulk of the mathematicians in the NSA have strong ties to Israel.

    We've got transgenders in the military, lowering standards for combat to allow women to pass, and we have a ship named for Harvey Milk.

    The ship has already hit the iceberg.
    , @Wilkey
    "You know, this needs more play. Diversity silliness is actually starting to affect*national security*."

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs? The fact that Obama has now promoted as many (or more) blacks to the rank of four star general than all previous presidents combined?

    At the last count (and this was probably a year ago) there were 8 blacks appointed to four star by presidents before Obama, and Obama alone had appointed 8. At that time 18% of currently serving four stars were black. That despite the fact that blacks are only 13% of the US population and a far smaller share of the officer corps.
    , @frizzled
    National security being threatened by hiring people with obvious ethnic loyalties to a different nation is nothing new - in fact, it's one of the oldest arguments for discrimination. Jonathan Pollard and the Rosenbergs are the American prototypes, but of course l'affaire Dreyfus is the most famous.
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  41. @5371
    Once upon a time there used to be a lot of fuss about institutions that had a very large share of Jews not being even more Jewish, ask Harvard College, the oldest corporation in the United States.

    Once upon a time there used to be a lot of fuss about institutions that had a very large share of Jews not being even more Jewish, ask Harvard College

    It was a reasonable policy initially, and Harvard dropped it eventually when it no longer made sense. Discrimination lawsuits were not necessary. Even for the policy’s “victims,” going to a good sub-Harvard college was hardly a grand injustice. And the 20% or so of Jews at Harvard during the Jewish quota era got what they wanted: a chance to assimilate into the American elite. That would have been harder to do in 1925 or 30 if it had been 35-40% Jewish.

    The policy was more questionable for medical schools that had Jewish quotas.

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    It was a reasonable policy initially, and Harvard dropped it eventually when it no longer made sense. Discrimination lawsuits were not necessary. Even for the policy’s “victims,” going to a good sub-Harvard college was hardly a grand injustice. And the 20% or so of Jews at Harvard during the Jewish quota era got what they wanted: a chance to assimilate into the American elite.
     
    That's not what he's talking about. He's talking about this:

    https://paw.princeton.edu/article/just-plain-wrong-former-admission-dean-fred-hargadon-responds-chosen-author-jerome-karabel
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  42. @Jason Liu
    What's strange is that Asians are generally not counted as "real minorities" in silicon valley because we're not oppressed enough. That's why you hear a lot of whining about how tech isn't diverse even though Asians are disproportionately represented.

    It's possible that Patricia is just some type of SJW who, unable to push blacks and browns into the narrative, was force to use a less desirable victim group (Asians) to signal virtue.

    Patricia Shiu hasn’t realized that blacks are 14% of the US population. Once she figures that out, she will amend her complaint so as to force Palantir to crash-hire top-level software engineers until that level is reached.

    America is in love with Diversity, the Justice Department should keep giving it to them good and hard. With the right policies imposed from above, the US can become as successful as Brazil. Or Burundi. Or Burma. You go Patty, the sky’s the limit!

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  43. I like how Apple invented another make work job (VP of Social Initiatives) but couldn’t even be bothered to put a POC in the position.

    Will the DOJ investigate this Klan meeting or did they give enough money to the Obama campaign?

    http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/

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    It's kind of like Google's Chief Diversity Scold, Laszlo Bock, looks like a U-Boat Kapitan:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/09/25/business/25state-web1/25state-web1-master675.jpg

    Sometimes they're not even trying ...

    , @Clyde
    http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/
    I like the inscrutable Kung Fu master scowl on Jonathan Ives face. What a fakir!
    And how come the two black executives out of nineteen have their photos at the bottom? I see racism and misogyny from the gaily ruled Apple Corps.
    , @BB753
    Over half of the guys look seriously gay. Just a coincidence, I suppose. It's not like Tim Cook would surround himself with toyboys, no way?
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  44. @bjdubbs
    I like how Apple invented another make work job (VP of Social Initiatives) but couldn't even be bothered to put a POC in the position.

    Will the DOJ investigate this Klan meeting or did they give enough money to the Obama campaign?

    http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/

    It’s kind of like Google’s Chief Diversity Scold, Laszlo Bock, looks like a U-Boat Kapitan:

    Sometimes they’re not even trying …

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    To Palantir's credit, they have Palan-queer.

    From their 'Diversity' page.


    Over the years, Palantirians have organized many community and interest groups that receive support and resources from the company. Active groups include Women in Technology, Veterans at Palantir, Palantir Parents, and Palan-Queer (our group for the LGBT-identified and allies).
     
    , @PiltdownMan
    A video of Laszlo Bock leaving for work.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDtiVc2V8ls
    , @inertial
    Herr Kapitan must doing some kind of real work too important to trust to the usual affirmative action cases. No doubt this work is value destroying and bad for society - but it's real.
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  45. @Lot
    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.

    Trump just did not remind me of a Republican who wins statewide in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

    I sort of agree from overseas watching it on tv as a neutral.

    ‘swings and roundabouts’. Who was laying more punches on who?

    Trump got bruised but he was as good in debate as Dukakis in ’88 against first President Bush.

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  46. @Steve Sailer
    It's kind of like Google's Chief Diversity Scold, Laszlo Bock, looks like a U-Boat Kapitan:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/09/25/business/25state-web1/25state-web1-master675.jpg

    Sometimes they're not even trying ...

    To Palantir’s credit, they have Palan-queer.

    From their ‘Diversity’ page.

    Over the years, Palantirians have organized many community and interest groups that receive support and resources from the company. Active groups include Women in Technology, Veterans at Palantir, Palantir Parents, and Palan-Queer (our group for the LGBT-identified and allies).

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  47. @Steve Sailer
    Seems possible.

    From the NYT:

    "Should Palantir keep working with the British government, despite its harsh press laws? The contracts continue. Some employees do not want Palantir aiding Israel, because they disagree with its policies toward Palestinians. There are still contracts with the Israeli government. Palantir has decided not to work with China."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/business/unlocking-secrets-if-not-its-own-value.html

    Judging from Palantir.com's Open Positions page, Palantir operates primarily in the Five Eyes or Anglo-Saxon Powers, the spy alliance that emerged out of the Alan Turing Era, along with northwestern Europe and Israel:

    https://www.palantir.com/careers/

    It's almost as if China, Russia, India, Pakistan, and Iran aren't part of the Team.

    Yeah.

    In the normal commercial world, a private company that is a client, represents the majority of revenue to a service provider and wants to see some new faces across the table would simply drop a hint or two. But Palantir and the government are different-or rather, they are the same, in a deep state sense.

    I know about independence of executive departments in our government but it certainly appears that one arm of the executive, Ms. Shiu’s, is working at cross purposes with another, namely, the national security apparatus that signs the checks to Palantir and requires high security employees at Palantir, i.e. white guys. I’m surprised no one has ridden herd higher up and and simply told her to shelve the investigation. Or maybe I’m not surprised.

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    It's a win-win for big government. Palantir pays off DoL with taxpayer money given to them by the deep state. There's also the added bonus of making the government look more accountable and less corrupt. So the taxpayer gets double raped while being led to think their government is run by honest, fair-monded people.
    , @bomag

    Or maybe I’m not surprised.
     
    +1

    It is a bit sobering to glimpse the workings of the top levels of government and see all the petty feuds and other disorganization.
    , @Nico
    I can just imagine a series of espionage scandals breaking out, with a number of Chinese-"American" federal employees implicated in the various acts of treason. After about three or four of these the general public begins to catch on to who and what is this Fifth Column and a President Hillary Clinton takes to the mike, paraphrasing Manuel Valls: "As devastating a blow as these security leaks are, it would be an even greater loss if we began calling the merits of our diversity and tolerance into question."
    , @TangoMan
    I’m surprised no one has ridden herd higher up and and simply told her to shelve the investigation. Or maybe I’m not surprised.

    This is a political parting shot from Obama to Thiel for his support of Trump.
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  48. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe Patricia Shiu standing up for her Chinese side of the family?

    The Obama Administration out to get Peter Thiel for endorsing Trump?

    has something to do with, I don’t know, Chinese espionage?

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  49. @Steve Sailer
    It's kind of like Google's Chief Diversity Scold, Laszlo Bock, looks like a U-Boat Kapitan:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/09/25/business/25state-web1/25state-web1-master675.jpg

    Sometimes they're not even trying ...

    A video of Laszlo Bock leaving for work.

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  50. For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.
    “The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in 3.4 million,” the government said in the filing.

    Let’s check this arithmetic. Among n = 14+11 = 25 hirees randomly chosen from a pool of qualified applicants 85% of whom are Asian, what is the probability of hiring no more than 11 Asians?

    p = .85 = prb that a qualified applicant is Asian, q = 1-p = .15 = prb that a qualified applicant is non-Asian, P(k) = prb that exactly k of the n hirees are Asian = C(n,k) ways to choose k out of n applicants * p^k prb that these k applicants are Asian * q^(n-k) prb that the other n-k applicants are non-Asian; i.e., P(k) = C(n,k)*p^k*q^(n-k). So the asked-for probability is P(0)+P(1)+P(2)+…+P(11).

    Here is a TI-83/84 programmable calculator routine to compute this probability:

    25 sto N:.85 sto P:1-P sto Q:0 sto S

    For(K,0,11):(N nCr K)*P^K*Q^(N-K)+S sto S:End

    Disp S

    When I run this routine, I get S = 2.493574543E-6, which is approximately 1 in 401,031, not 1 in 3.4 million. Did I do something wrong?

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    I tried a google spreadsheet and got your number too. It took me a while though. Math is hard
    , @candid_observer
    I had been checking this calculation as well.

    Here's the odd thing: in some fairly standard programs, one gets different answers depending on how the problem is formulated.

    In Excel, I put in the following formula in a cell:

    =1/(BINOM.DIST(11,25,0.85,1))

    And I get, as you do,

    401030.7223

    On the other hand, if I enter the equivalent formula,

    =1/(1-BINOM.DIST(14,25,0.15,1))

    I get instead:

    3164275.18

    which pretty well agrees with the figure from the article of 3.4M.

    I find that I see the same thing in R, where if I run the line

    >1/pbinom(11, size=25, prob=0.85)

    I get

    [1] 401030.7

    But if I run

    > 1/(1-pbinom(14, size=25, prob=0.15))

    I get:

    [1] 3164275

    I can only assume that in the first cases, the exact binomial distribution is employed, and in the second, the normal approximation is used instead.

    Your code clearly is calculating the exact binomial distribution, and so must be correct -- as are the two examples of the first case above.

    , @International Jew
    Dunno, does that iteration For(K,0,11) end with 11, or perhaps with 10 (as analogous syntax would work in languages such as C or Python)?

    Or maybe the author didn't have a TI handy and just used the normal approximation, starting from 1sd = sqrt(npq).

    Regardless, the important question here is what model is appropriate for your data (and specifically, if all those applicants are interchangeable).

    , @Winston
    The probability of hiring an Asians is not always 0.85 when you hire more than 1 person. For example, suppose you have 2 oranges and 1 apple. If you select 1 fruit out of the 3 fruits, the probability of getting an orange will be 2/3. However, the probability of continuing getting another orange after you already have an orange will be 1/2, instead of 2/3.

    "Among n = 14+11 = 25 hirees randomly chosen from a pool of qualified applicants 85% of whom are Asian, what is the probability of hiring no more than 11 Asians?"

    Therefore, the number of Asians is 1160*0.85= 986, non-Asians is 1160*0.15= 174. The probability of Asian<= 11 when there're 25 hirees is P(n<=11)= SUM[C(981, n)*C(174, 25-n)/C(1160, 25)].
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  51. When will they just simplify things and make it illegal to hire white men?

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    Patience Grasshopper.
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  52. @Lot

    And no mention of your own prediction that the media would call Trump the winner?
     
    I didn't think she'd win so clearly.

    > after Brexit
     
    Well if they were perfect predictors, they would not be very fun.

    The market probably overreacted. The polls over the next two days will be more important.

    You watched 10 minutes and think she won clearly. Thanks for the insight.

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  53. @Mr. Anon
    "I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians."

    Palantir is involved in intelligence gathering for the US government. Perhaps the management doesn't want to hire Chinese, because a significant fraction of likely candidates might be spies, or could eventually be recruited to be spies.

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this - go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this – go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    I’m confident the men who wrote the Constitution would say this is ultra vires, like having the unconstitutional Fed engage in an unconstitutional bailout of private companies. Or ceding war powers to the Executive. Or Departments of Education, Energy, Interior, HHS, HUD. It’s a long list.

    That’s why I don’t take “Constitutional conservatives” seriously. The original Constitutional scheme was destroyed by the 14th and subsequent amendments, and the document means what those in power say it means regardless.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    It wasn't the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter). Most government programs fit under post New Deal interpretations of the general welfare clause - " The Congress shall have Power To .... provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." EVERYTHING conceivably promotes the general welfare and fits under this clause. Under the S. Ct. precedents, Congress is its own judge as to what promotes the general welfare - if they say it does, then it does and the courts have no right to question this. The 16th Amendment (income tax) also had a major effect because it created a huge slush fund to pay for all this nonsense.

    As the US becomes more and more like a Communist country, it becomes useful to look at other Communist countries. In China it is very common for the military and other government agencies to have their own businesses and often in fields that have nothing to do with the underlying mission of the agency but are just good investments (or at least provide lucrative corruption opportunities for gov't officials). In the US, this has been done up until now by subsidies and loans - the Dept. of Energy didn't actually own Solyndra, they just provided all the funding for it. In some ways this is even worse - what we do is that we socialize losses and privatize gains. Goldman Sachs really likes this setup.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    the document means what those in power say it means regardless.
     
    Your insouciance is disappointing. To abandon the last vestige of the rule by law so cavalierly is both foolish and shortsighted.

    Just as the Soviet Union presented their arbitrary and capricious abuse of their citizens as conformance to their laws, all of the Democrats/SJW/Societal sociopaths that rule us insist that it is "Constitutional". If you kick out the last leg of the stool holding up our polity what will replace it?

    Your perspective, should it be embraced, will make matters worse.

    Form does not ensure substance, but remove the form and kiss goodbye to restoring the substance.

    We need the substance. The alternative is a Hobbesian state of nature.
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  54. @SFG
    You know, this needs more play. Diversity silliness is actually starting to affect *national security*. We're not going to have smart people spying for us because they have to be the right shade. The Chinese have got to be laughing their heads off. Same with the Russians, though they've probably got a bottle of vodka open.

    No, we have already had national security totally compromised by diversity.

    We have unindicted co conspirators of Al Qaeda and ISIS in the FBI and CIA. We have the Muslim brotherhood as the closest aide to our future president.

    We have had ethnic Chinese whose families are still under the direction control of the PRC in our national labs and IC for decades now.

    And the bulk of the mathematicians in the NSA have strong ties to Israel.

    We’ve got transgenders in the military, lowering standards for combat to allow women to pass, and we have a ship named for Harvey Milk.

    The ship has already hit the iceberg.

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    • Replies: @Not Raul
    How do you know that the bulk of the Mathematicians in the NSA have strong ties to Isreal? That sort of information isn't public.
    , @artichoke
    I don't know if you're right about NSA being full of Jewish mathematicians.

    But if it is, that's a good signal for its competence. Jews are heavily represented among the best mathematicians.

    When you try to have a Jew-free math department, you get this (search for "ceased to exist")
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/setting-the-record-straight-about-jewish-mathematicians-in-nazi-germany-1.397629

    That used to be the leading mathematics department in the world.
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  55. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe Patricia Shiu standing up for her Chinese side of the family?

    The Obama Administration out to get Peter Thiel for endorsing Trump?

    “Maybe Patricia Shiu standing up for her Chinese side of the family?”

    I can’t imagine Silicon Valley Chinese thinking Federal discrimination lawsuits against tech are a great idea. The optics are terrible — “only” 40 % Asian, 85 percent(!) Asian applicants, a rock-star company — and they’re surely smart enough to know it. Plus zero chances of enthusiastic support from the Democratic coalition.

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  56. @Lot

    And no mention of your own prediction that the media would call Trump the winner?
     
    I didn't think she'd win so clearly.

    > after Brexit
     
    Well if they were perfect predictors, they would not be very fun.

    The market probably overreacted. The polls over the next two days will be more important.

    IMO, WAY too much is made of these presidential debates. The media whips up a huge frenzy b/c they want viewers but I don’t think most people are looking for the best BSr and master of weasel words and slipperiness (at which cankles is pretty good), but rather a leader with a vision for the country. I believe Trump is greatly superior on the latter, and that last night’s debate will be a distant memory by this coming weekend. I thought the debate was kind of boring. I thought hillary looked arrogant and dismissive and was kicking up a lot of dust with no ability to follow through and achieve on anything; and I thought Mr Trump missed several opportunities to take H out to the woodshed on obamacare, the world’s highest corporate tax rate, wide open borders and cheap labor destroying job prospects for young black men, and her awful record and behavior on ‘cybersecurity’ when she set up her own server to do an end run around federal cybersecurity law and protocol.

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  57. That’s funny, was just thinking about how the internet is a modern-day, real-life version of the Palantiri, with similar dangers and power.

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  58. @5371
    Once upon a time there used to be a lot of fuss about institutions that had a very large share of Jews not being even more Jewish, ask Harvard College, the oldest corporation in the United States.

    That was because of explicit quotas – caps on the number of Jews allowed entry, no matter how qualified they might be. It is similar to what Malaysia currently does to its Chinese minority.

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    That was because of explicit quotas – caps on the number of Jews allowed entry, no matter how qualified they might be. It is similar to what Malaysia currently does to its Chinese minority.
     
    This is a nonsense point. It was just Jewish striving and whining.

    As i've pointed out repeatedly these were *private* Protestant institutions serving the NE WASPy elite. They are entitled to define their mission as they see fit and even refuse to serve *anyone*--no Jews, none of my Irish Catholic folks, no Asians, heck no downmarket Protestant rednecks (still pretty much the case). They could have filled their student bodies with your Cabots and Lowells, Lodges Eliots, Forbes, Delanos and Coolidges with your occasional Bush thrown in. If that's what they wanted to do. They chose instead to continue to cater to their historic WASP founders, but also take a quota of folks from talented outgroups ... and then those folks whine about it.


    Your claim that the complaint was about explicit quotas "no matter how qualified" is just mathematically\logically a nonsense point. (Yes, the Supreme Court has used it--but then they gave us Griggs v. Duke Power and "disparate impact", math is not what they do.)

    Once you wade into affirmative action at all, you're doing this. You're saying "i'm willing to live with inferiority\superiority in my (normal) selection metric to get the results i want. Making what you're doing fuzzy is irrelevant. Harvard manages to rustle up a 10-12% African American class every year despite no-conceivable academic metric yielding them anything close to that (even after tapping Africa). What actually chaps your hide is simply that the quota was on you--*your people*. That, of course, everyone seems to think is uniquely "unfair".


    Some sort of "affirmative action"--i.e. quotas--seems to come down like rain whenever you have "diversity" and democratic politics (even often non-democratic politics)--see India.

    The best policy is far and away ... do not have diversity!

    But if you have it, then the honesty of a quota--like the Indians--is far better. Then you can have the straight out political fight about the size of the quota for various groups. Which lets you also discuss the cost v. benefits of the quota.

    My take is once you're having affirmative action and quotas, you *should* have quota on the high achieving groups as well--they bear the cost not just the groups in the middle of the pack. Which in the case of the US is in fact the white gentiles entirely responsible for building the nation!

    A quota range, say representation of no less than 1/2 X--where X is your group's share of the population--to no more than 4X, strikes me as very fair. Blacks would get 8%--not their share, but significantly represented. Hispanics maybe a point more. On the other end, Jews would be limited to 8% and Asians to 16%--again perhaps not their shares of the most talented, but the truly talented ones get their due. White gentiles in the middle would be squeezed, but not the squeeze out they get now. You could have under-represented groups--say Scots-Irish rednecks--petition for their own quota to make sure they had representation.

    Diversity sucks. But if you're going to play these games, then best to play them in the daylight with fair rules.

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  59. IRONY ALERT

    Asian employees in SV are usually not considered as an example of diversity when the subject matter is SV diversity.

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  60. @ATX Hipster

    why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm?
     
    The intelligence community needs to stay on the cutting edge but the federal government isn't exactly known for being innovative. Also, being an investor is probably pretty good leverage when you're trying to convince some anarcho-capitalist tech geeks that putting a backdoor in their firmware isn't really going against their beliefs.

    “The intelligence community needs to stay on the cutting edge……….”

    Who says? Them? What statutory authority is there for a government agency to go into business? Or is the CIA supposed to be above the law?

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    "Statutory authority?" What, are you in the second grade?

    That being said, maybe there is a law; I don't know. But they don't need one. The CIA is not supposed to be above the law, but practically it is. So is the rest of the executive branch, not to mention the federal government as a whole. They make it up as they go.
    , @ATX Hipster
    I don't know about the legality of it. I was just giving a rationale.

    Espionage is an arms race that doesn't end. Of course the CIA should try to stay on top of current technology.

    Whether or not they should do it by gambling tax dollars is a separate issue. The government gives grants all the time. In-Q-Tel at least can make its money back. It's the federal government though, so it's probably fair to assume the system is extremely corrupt.
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  61. @DPG
    The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart. I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they're prejudiced against Asians.

    My guess would be that palantir tackles novel, intricate problems and Asians tend to live up to the stereotype of being grinders. They'll blow away a white kid when they face a problem that they've already been taught to master. But if the task requires orthogonal thinking, I'll take the neck bearded white guy.

    The chance that you know multiple people that work there, all of whom are “3 and 4 std dev above the average kind of smart” seems… unlikely.

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    Not unlikely. "The Bell Curve" on social stratification.

    ... How much partitioning has really occurred?

    Perhaps a few examples will illustrate. Think of your twelve closest friends or colleagues. For most readers of this book, a large majority will be college graduates. Does it surprise you to learn that the odds of having even half at them be college graduates are only six in a thousand, if people were randomly paired off? [341 Many of you will not think it odd that half or more of the dozen have advanced degrees. But the odds against finding such a result among a randomly chosen group of twelve Americans are actually more than a million to one. Are any of the dozen a graduate of Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Cal Tech, MIT, Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell, Columbia, University of Chicago, or Brown? The chance that even one is a graduate of those twelve schools is one in a thousand. The chance of finding two among that group is one in fifty thousand. The chance of finding four or more is less than one in a billion.

    Most readers of this book — this may be said because we know a great deal about the statistical tendencies of people who read a book like this — are in preposterously unlikely groups, and this reflects the degree of partitioning that has already occurred.

     

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  62. @eah
    Or maybe it's just an egregious abuse of power and taxpayer money by a despicable administration and its hack political appointees?

    Shiu is part of the Minority Occupation Government (and an ugly part at that).

    Nothing galls me more than these useless non-white rent-seeking parasites who now serve as diversity enforcement goons and overlords -- they are paid by money coerced from Whites and then turn around and tell us, in various way, what shitty racists we are. In our own country. Or what used to be our own country.

    I agree that Shiu is a rent-seeking parasite who has made a good living out of the diversity racket, but the Chinese have been here a long time. There’s a good chance Shiu’s Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu’s Chinese ancestors did make this more of “your country” than Shiu’s?

    One also notes the Orwellian deceit of calling a half-”white” person “non-white”, unless you consider the Irish to be “non-white”, which you presumably do not.

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    Red Indians have been here even longer than Railroad-Americans. What's your point?
    , @guest
    Orwellian? Get out of here. You think Obama is deceiving people when he presents himself as black? We all know about his white mom but play along anyway. Why do you think that is.

    You have to study up on racial conventions. You can't deduce them logically from general principle.
    , @Some Economist

    One also notes the Orwellian deceit of calling a half-”white” person “non-white”, unless you consider the Irish to be “non-white”, which you presumably do not.
     
    It's the Shius, Obamas, and the Colin Kaepernicks of this country who have made the choice to identify so for their benefit.
    , @AnotherDad

    There’s a good chance Shiu’s Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu’s Chinese ancestors did make this more of “your country” than Shiu’s?
     
    You have a point--for some whites. (3/4 of my ancestors were here before Shiu's Chinese ancestors could possibly have showed up--and i'd bet the German 1\4 was here before them too. But i realize that may not true be for folks who are predominantly Great Wave, depending on when Shiu's ancestors came.)

    However, he still has a point: America is nice because it is a white nation.

    Specifically a NW European, Anglo-origin nation. It isn't nice for example because of blacks--who have been here almost as long as anyone. (If the blacks weren't here it would be a whole lot nicer.) It isn't nice because of the native Americans. It isn't nice because of the Mexicans. It isn't nice because of the Jews--whatever their scientific contributions. And it certainly isn't nice because of the Asians--most of whom are in fact very recent immigrants despite a small longtime Chinese presence.

    I think this is all pretty obvious. But in this case we have pretty solid proof, in that Canada, Australia and New Zealand are also ... all pretty darn nice in a very similar sort of way, despite differing geography, native populations, and follow on slave and immigrant populations.

    This is absolutely not to say that Jews and East Asians can't create nice societies of their own. They obviously--Israel, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan--can. But they are different. What has made the United States "nice"--prosperous and free--is the Anglo sphere version of the special sauce that characterizes NW European built nations and makes them very very nice.

    So his point stands. If you're white, you're aware that "your people"--your race, your culture--are precisely what has made the country pleasant and prosperous. To then get these tedious heckling lectures from non-white origin people who are enjoying this pleasant prosperity created by your people ... yes, it's annoying.
    , @eah
    calling a half-”white” person “non-white”

    OK, she's an ethnic then -- do you like that better? -- does she identify as white, or as ethnic? -- btw, do you think her ethnic or her white half is the reason -- or one of the main reasons -- she got the job?

    the Orwellian deceit

    We seem to have different understandings of the words "Orwellian" and "deceit".

    And thanks for not disputing that she's ugly.
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  63. @eah
    Or maybe it's just an egregious abuse of power and taxpayer money by a despicable administration and its hack political appointees?

    Shiu is part of the Minority Occupation Government (and an ugly part at that).

    Nothing galls me more than these useless non-white rent-seeking parasites who now serve as diversity enforcement goons and overlords -- they are paid by money coerced from Whites and then turn around and tell us, in various way, what shitty racists we are. In our own country. Or what used to be our own country.

    I think THE lasting memory of obummer’s terms will be the complete and utter destruction of even a hint that our Federal alphabet agencies are anything but goon squads at the beck and call of the demoncrats.

    IRS, FBI, DOJ, DHS, etc.

    We are so FUBAR.

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  64. @fnn
    Czechs think Trump won:
    http://motls.blogspot.com/2016/09/most-czech-viewers-trump-won-1st-debate.html

    The American media claim that polls shows that about 70% think that Hillary has won and 30% think that Trump has won. The percentages are reverted in the Czech media. A poll at center-right mainstream server iDNES.cz shows a 2-to-1 vote in favor of Trump's victory in the debate. A discussion on the major traditional left-wing Novinky.cz server shows a much bigger support for the comments in favor of Trump.

    I feel closer to iDNES.cz readers so here are the top upvoted comments as of this moment:

    Petr Novák, 47+/0–

    Cybersecurity. Clinton: All hackers are from Russia. ... :-D

    František Popluhař, 66/3

    OMG, when Hillary is smiling, it sends shivers down my spine. If a new remake of the One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest will be shot, I have a proposal for the role of the insane nurse.

    Tonda Hejlík, 90/6

    So far it's typical. Donald wants to lower the taxes to stop firms from fleeing abroad or returning to the U.S. Hillary wants to invest, increase wages, welfare payments, but she doesn't say who will pay the bill. Typical socialist wasting out of other people's money.

    Tomáš Vrábel, 74/6

    Trump: Secretary Clinton, what's your plan?

    Clinton: Look at my website – sometimes she changed "website" to her "book". She couldn't add anything, not even a general cliché.

    If the Democrats were trying to make sure that she shows that she has a plan, unlike Trump, it hasn't been successful so far.

    Karel Nedopil, 66/6

    An empty and fake [two adjectives that ex-president Klaus used against a center-right prime minister in a legendary SMS message] Hillary Clinton will send the U.S. to an even faster decline. She really has no plan.

    Jiří Fogel, 32/1

    Given the careful methods with which "ert" is praising his favorite politician Clinton, it seems that she hasn't done too well. ;-)

    Štěpán Binko, 30/1

    If the ... [c*nt] really said that the financial crisis was caused by the reduction of the taxes for the rich, I will really start to pray for a Trump victory.

    Petr Michalík, 39/3

    Trump: "You are informing the ISIS about your plans in advance. Then you are fighting them for your whole life."

    Clinton: "You want to lower the taxes for you and your family to have even higher profits."

    Trump was more to the point, clearer. Clinton was closer to clichés and began with her family and granddaughter's 2nd birthday. Maybe the female voters will be impressed by that.

    Jan Souček, 35/3

    According to the information in the article, Trump is right at least when he claims that the companies are moving to Asia where the labor is cheaper and therefore steal the jobs from America. It's happening to Europe, too. He's also right that the U.S. is responsible for the birth of the Islamic State. I am not sure whether the Iraq invasion was the cause but it surely hasn't helped to calm the atmosphere in the region. Clinton's talk was dominated by the traditional political clichés we know from our politicians, too.

    Hoang Anh Binh [Vietnamese Czech], 33/3

    When one is listening what comrade Clinton is saying, it sounds just like the vacuous clichés from [Czech socialist prime minister] Sobotka. [I couldn't distinguish this comment from an all-Czech right-wing commenter.]
     

    Not that the debate increased my respect for the vile sociopath Hillary one iota but she won the debate by any reasonable measure. She appeared healthy and, unlike Trump, she didn’t ramble, interrupt the moderator, hit below the belt or go past her alotted time much if at all. Trump missed a lot of great opportunities. He also said some ridiculous things (like saying she’d been fighting ISIS her whole life). He also missed a great opportunity to call her out on a really really stupid thing she said (she implied that Trump unjustifiably believes women shouldn’t get equal pay for inferior work).

    Trump really is not a serious candidate.

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    There were times when he didn't even finish his thought, like during the birther question when he kept talking about Blumenthal and Doyle but never actually reaching a conclusion.

    He definitely could have stood to be more zen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbecIBvR3mE
    , @Abe

    Trump missed a lot of great opportunities. He also said some ridiculous things (like saying she’d been fighting ISIS her whole life). He also missed a great opportunity to call her out on a really really stupid thing she said (she implied that Trump unjustifiably believes women shouldn’t get equal pay for inferior work).
     
    Trump had a slip of the tongue with the "whole life" comment; everyone knows what he really meant. Same for Clinton saying it unfair women should work as hard for equal pay. The great Aspergers electoral tidal wave we've been hearing about for so long has not gone through the formality of actually coming into existence.
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  65. @PiltdownMan
    Yeah.

    In the normal commercial world, a private company that is a client, represents the majority of revenue to a service provider and wants to see some new faces across the table would simply drop a hint or two. But Palantir and the government are different-or rather, they are the same, in a deep state sense.

    I know about independence of executive departments in our government but it certainly appears that one arm of the executive, Ms. Shiu's, is working at cross purposes with another, namely, the national security apparatus that signs the checks to Palantir and requires high security employees at Palantir, i.e. white guys. I'm surprised no one has ridden herd higher up and and simply told her to shelve the investigation. Or maybe I'm not surprised.

    It’s a win-win for big government. Palantir pays off DoL with taxpayer money given to them by the deep state. There’s also the added bonus of making the government look more accountable and less corrupt. So the taxpayer gets double raped while being led to think their government is run by honest, fair-monded people.

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  66. @bjdubbs
    I like how Apple invented another make work job (VP of Social Initiatives) but couldn't even be bothered to put a POC in the position.

    Will the DOJ investigate this Klan meeting or did they give enough money to the Obama campaign?

    http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/

    http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/

    I like the inscrutable Kung Fu master scowl on Jonathan Ives face. What a fakir!
    And how come the two black executives out of nineteen have their photos at the bottom? I see racism and misogyny from the gaily ruled Apple Corps.

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  67. Since when was Chinese espionage a disqualifying factor?

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  68. @Mr. Anon
    "I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians."

    Palantir is involved in intelligence gathering for the US government. Perhaps the management doesn't want to hire Chinese, because a significant fraction of likely candidates might be spies, or could eventually be recruited to be spies.

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this - go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    “… why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm?”

    Why should the Congress Critters and their staffers be the only govt employees to get in on the ground floor of the next big thing? Where do you think they get all their insider trading ideas? Consider In-Q-Tel and it’s peers to be a Co-investment scheme.

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  69. How much of this is revenge against Peter Thiel?

    Also, I’m going from assuming that the establishment types – on both left and right – are just that freaking stupid to assuming they actively hate their own country.

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    just that freaking stupid to assuming they actively hate their own country.
     
    The country we know as America is not their own country. They're (enthusiastic) citizens of the world. Ask them.
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  70. @bjdubbs
    I like how Apple invented another make work job (VP of Social Initiatives) but couldn't even be bothered to put a POC in the position.

    Will the DOJ investigate this Klan meeting or did they give enough money to the Obama campaign?

    http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/

    Over half of the guys look seriously gay. Just a coincidence, I suppose. It’s not like Tim Cook would surround himself with toyboys, no way?

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  71. @Mr. Anon
    "I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians."

    Palantir is involved in intelligence gathering for the US government. Perhaps the management doesn't want to hire Chinese, because a significant fraction of likely candidates might be spies, or could eventually be recruited to be spies.

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this - go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    >CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this – go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints?

    Interestingly enough, the Department of Agriculture is a major mortgage lender, or more accurately, a major guarantor of mortgage debt.

    http://www.rd.usda.gov/programs-services/single-family-housing-guaranteed-loan-program

    However, I don’t think they did this with the intention of making money, and I doubt they are making money on the program.

    Another Charles Murray class divide marker: Do you know about USDA home loans?

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    class divide marker: Do you know about USDA home loans?
     
    They certainly know about that other USDA venture, EBT, or "Eat Before Thursday [midnight]", when the paycheck is posted.
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  72. Why would anyone be surprised by this? National security and effectiveness have long been thrown overboard in the arrogant belief that US margins are so robust that we can handicap ourselves and still win easily. Or at least be defeated with no real consequences, like Vietnam. Even perhaps better for Nice White Ladies and their allies among NAMs.

    As Michelle Obama said, some (WHITE) people will have to be fired so (incompetent) Blacks and Hispanics and Nice White Ladies can take their jobs.

    This is the end result of SJW/PC/Civil Rights movements. Expulsion of Whites particularly White men from every job and their replacement by incompetent non-Whites, and White women. Who are not exactly a picture of competence in most fields outside medicine. Melissa Mayer at Yahoo?

    Indian programmers are useful for stuff that is cheap and non-consequential. Every time performance and reliability and accuracy are important, Indian programmers fail. They are cheap, that’s about it.

    Hillary looked like a sneering, Nice White Lady in the debate, and Trump was rattled and IMHO ineffective in his responses. However I figure that Hillary did marginally better as White women love that sneering Nice White Ladyism and the idea of hereditary aristocracy.

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  73. Sued for hiring not enough Asians? Looks like you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t. As for Asians spying, I’ve heard it’s actually a big problem from someone who works in the industry.

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  74. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT, but used to be they retired your number because of a lifetime’s batting average over 300, lots of home runs, RBIs and few errors or for a career with a great won/loss ratio, high strikeout rate and low ERA but today all you have to do to gain baseball immortality is go for a midnight joy ride with your friends in your hotrod boat and smash head-on into a rock jetty at high speed and kill yourself and your friends. This is a great example of sterling behavior to set before your kids as worthy of undying praise.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/09/26/marlins-honor-jose-fernandez/91134160/

    As the Derb says, “We Are Doomed.”

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    The virtue-signalling down here is embarrassing and disgusting. They are flying the flag at half-staff, for Christ's sake.
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  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants
     
    So there is not a shortage of STEM workers after all . . .

    Sometimes I see white mothers bragging about how their child is majoring in STEM, and I feel almost pity for them and want to tell them that the propaganda about the STEM shortage and STEM as a path to future career success is mostly a lie. But, I don’t want to crush them, plus their child might be one of the exceptions who goes on to really make it big or to simply have a really very nice STEM career.

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    Just had this conversation last night with my brother - a $400K/yr medical doctor working for a large insurance company. He's strongly discouraging his two sons (ages 12 & 14) from going into medicine. He wants them to study engineering. I've argued with him about the severe limitations on a successful, lucrative engineering career, but he knows a guy that has a brother that studied engineering and became a big VP at GE, so there.

    I earned my BS Computer Science 30 years ago followed up w/ a well-regarded MBA, and due to a couple of layoffs & blown opportunities, the "Great Recession," H-1B immigration, and crushing competition, I'm earning exactly what I earned in 1999 - well under $100K. My sis-in-law is a $150K per year optometrist working 35-hour weeks as an employee of some established practice. They plan to retire at 55 y/o with over $10 million net worth.
    , @artichoke
    What else are you gonna major in? Some left-wing field where you have to kiss the PC professor's behind all the time?
    , @Neoconned
    A friend of mine who's a chemical engineer with a B.S. degree from an SEC school just left Austin, Texas because he couldn't find work there. I think he's in Tennessee now, after taking a pay cut at age 45.

    I'm graduating soon to be a psych nurse - they say there's a nurse shortage.....it's my understanding that's only true in terrible parts of the nation like the plain a state's or the rural south where no one wants to live....-
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  77. Any non-US Citizen Asians Palantir hires are probably (hopefully?) all working on Palantir’s healthcare, legal, and financial projects. That said, in light of 2nd & 3rd generation Muslim immigrants contracting Sudden Jihadi Syndrome, a rational nation would be asking itself what proportion of its intelligence apparatus it feels comfortable putting in the hands of people who may have ethnic loyalty to competing powers.

    In 2011 a Palantir engineer went rogue trying to take down WikiLeaks: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/08/14/agent-of-intelligence-how-a-deviant-philosopher-built-palantir-a-cia-funded-data-mining-juggernaut/3/#5f2bb6211886

    The Hacker News crowd isn’t too hot on Palantir for reasons all over the board ranging from toxic culture to delivering a supposedly mediocre product.

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  78. OT: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/opinion/im-black-does-america-have-a-plan-for-my-life.html?_r=0

    Yale SJW/Prof: “I’m Black. Does America Have a Plan for My Life?”

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  79. @Mr. Anon
    "I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians."

    Palantir is involved in intelligence gathering for the US government. Perhaps the management doesn't want to hire Chinese, because a significant fraction of likely candidates might be spies, or could eventually be recruited to be spies.

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this - go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    The usual contracting processes get in the way of procuring super-dooper secret stuff. They like flexibility, low profiles, and getting the best value, not the lowest bid. The problem is that contracting processes are rigid in order to prevent abuse, like having your own tax-payer funded venture capital firm.

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  80. For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian

    Talk about burying the lede – for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications – more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn’t involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees – $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income – what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) – if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about “the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates” who would lead to the “immiseration of the proletariat” – his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn’t true at all – workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn’t that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I’ll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don’t require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout’s hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn’t be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game – even the leftist gov’t doesn’t pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn’t they have hired some of those?

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    Very good comment.
    , @Barnard
    A decent opposition political party would use this as an opportunity to end the HB-1 visa program for the tech industry. Too bad we don't have one of those.
    , @Mark Eugenikos

    ...for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications – more than 40 applicants for each job.
     
    The first comment (DPG) mentioned that, from his personal experience, Palantir employees are exceptionally smart. Meaning, there is no way that Palantir received 40 really qualified applicants for each position. I know a bit about hiring SW engineers in Seattle, and you just don't get 40 really qualified applicants for each position, especially on the high end. I have no doubt that most of those 40 were under-qualified or just BS'ed on their resumes to appear qualified.

    A good hiring manager would quickly cut through the crap and weed out the marginal applicants. But I can see why the DOL would want to over-inflate the number of qualified applicants in their lawsuit, in order to make Palantir's negotiating position weaker.

    From my experience again, the only SW engineers that companies can afford to underpay are H1-Bs, because they can't leave. The competition for qualified staff (citizens or green card holders) is just too high to allow systematic underpayment, at least here in Seattle.

    I agree with the rest of your comment.
    , @tomv

    if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available.
     
    I don't know. Palantir is at super elite. Maybe they get 40 applicants for each position because they pay well? Certainly Palantir employees are not there because they have nowhere else to go.

    Similarly, how many applicants do you think Goldman gets for each position? Are you going to argue that Goldman employees are underpaid based on that?
    , @Jefferson
    "Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game – even the leftist gov’t doesn’t pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn’t they have hired some of those?"

    Why didn't Palantir hire Donald Glover from The Martian, after all he is obviously a MENSA genius.

    By the way Donald Glover's guilty of racist cultural appropriation, because his rap name is Childish Gambino and he's obviously not Italian or part of any other Mediterranean ethnic group for that matter.

    , @Anonymous
    Jack D says, "If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn’t that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?"

    Yes and those in the FIRE sector are looking forward to the day America's population doubles again to seven million souls. Since they only extract rents and add no use value to the economy, their profit model can be based upon nothing other than population growth. That's it. That's their plan.
    , @AnotherDad
    Good comment Jack.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income – what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) – if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay.
     
    To me it's obvious: Immigration has crapped on working and now middle class life.

    The historic Franklinesque advantage Americans had--plentiful land relative to labor has been tossed away. Americans have been placed into labor competition with a semi-inexhaustible supply of Mexicans\CentralAmericas or Indians or Chinese depending on your occupation. And while the nation is not "cordwood" crowded, it is significantly more crowded than when you and I were pups. And in many of the urban centers--like SillyValley--that have decent paying jobs, you are competing for housing with everyone in the world and the standard post-war detached single family housing--in any sort of decent neighborhood--is ridiculously expensive.

    If i was a CEO, i'd be wanting to move as many operations as i could to ... elsewhere. Anywhere in flyover country, that still has some nice amenities but hasn't yet gotten ridiculously expensive. Anywhere you could recruit staff with the promise of "affordable family formation". But then i'm not a CEO. For the CEOs "ridiculously expensive" is not a big problem. And even that fleeing "solution" is a treadmill. The "California escape" places of generation back--especially here in Seattle but now even Denver--are getting expensive. Any place that gets some job growth and some scale ... will start becoming less and less affordable. There is no escape when the door is open.
    , @Clyde
    What you are describing is going on because the Luddites were 200 years premature but they were correct. The three horsemen of the tech progress apocalypse, automation, computerization, robots have permanently devalued labor. It has produced this permanent labor surplus. Of course we make this worse for our remaining high paying private sector jobs by allowing in H1Bs to devalue their wages quicker.
    This is why a gov't job is a good job. Applies to gov't contractors too.

    Stupid (traitorous) free trade policies also devalue US labor but Donald Trump can institute all the tariffs he wants on Chinese/Asian manufactures. When this brings some manufacturing back home these plants will only need 30% the workers they used to, due to tech progress.
    And Trump can help free things up in our economy by getting rid of volumes of Federal regulations. Stop crippling businesses and putting up barriers to those who want to go into business.
    , @PiltdownMan

    If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn’t that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?
     
    Five other people isn't that bad, if you read this article.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/09/17/hacker-house-blues-my-life-with-12-programmers-2-rooms-and-one-21st-century-dream/

    These are worker camps for the new gold rush—a gold rush that appears, by now, to have lasted for half a generation. In ten or twenty years in America, there will be a seriously embittered cohort of aging high IQ computer science grads.

    Obviously, not everyone is going to be able to grab the IPO gold ring or get lucrative options early enough in the cycle—most will not. The youthful, free market, dog-eat-dog machismo of Silicon Valley culture will have proven to be insufficient for them to provide for old age, let alone to become wealthy.

    Immiserisation indeed.

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  81. @MC
    My guess is that DOL has wanted to do this to a Silicon Valley company for a while, but most such companies are well-connected and popular. Thiel supporting Trump gave them an opening.

    Agree.

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  82. Oh Steve, you are an inveterate conspiracy theorist!

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  83. @SFG
    You know, this needs more play. Diversity silliness is actually starting to affect *national security*. We're not going to have smart people spying for us because they have to be the right shade. The Chinese have got to be laughing their heads off. Same with the Russians, though they've probably got a bottle of vodka open.

    “You know, this needs more play. Diversity silliness is actually starting to affect*national security*.”

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs? The fact that Obama has now promoted as many (or more) blacks to the rank of four star general than all previous presidents combined?

    At the last count (and this was probably a year ago) there were 8 blacks appointed to four star by presidents before Obama, and Obama alone had appointed 8. At that time 18% of currently serving four stars were black. That despite the fact that blacks are only 13% of the US population and a far smaller share of the officer corps.

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    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs?
     
    Notice that for jobs that really, really cannot fail (apparently Sec. of State and President of the United States are now jobs that merely cannot fail) they are still occupied exclusively by craggy old white dudes- Comey at FBI, Brenner at CIA, Carter at Defense? (BTW, pro tip which my homie AnotherDad will back me up on- the one weird way you can tell who is gay, especially by the time they reach middle age, is whether they have the ebullient, boyishly awake look (gay) or the beaten-down, how can I kill myself and the family still collect the insurance 'cause my wife is a b!tch and my kids are spoiled jerks daily though experiment look (straight).

    But, yeah, those jobs will be in the sights of the diversity headhunters soon enough. As you mention, special operations (Rangers, if not Seals just yet) have been tagged for improving their womyn quotient and it'll soon be 10 years since Gen. Casey said diversity is the most terrible casualty our armed forces could sustain. I can't wait till Congress approves funds for next generation nuclear submarines with lactation stations, halal kitchens and prayer rooms- that'll show those stale pale Ruskies who still cling to dying notions about submarine speed and stealth! Wonder also when the pressure will begin to drop intelligence services' traditional prejudice against people with messy personal lives (affairs, divorces) as it discriminates against gay men and their situational notions of commitment, or to be spiteful go the other way and make national intelligence a lesbian old girls' network, since where else can you find candidates with such impeccably clean personal lives that they're creeping up on their silver wedding anniversaries but haven't had sex with anyone in 20 years!
    , @Mr. Anon
    "At the last count (and this was probably a year ago) there were 8 blacks appointed to four star by presidents before Obama, and Obama alone had appointed 8."

    How many 4 star generals were there during all of WWII? Has there been some kind of rank inflation in the US military? Perhaps someone who has been / is in the military could answer this.
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  84. @The Anti-Gnostic

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this – go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?
     
    I'm confident the men who wrote the Constitution would say this is ultra vires, like having the unconstitutional Fed engage in an unconstitutional bailout of private companies. Or ceding war powers to the Executive. Or Departments of Education, Energy, Interior, HHS, HUD. It's a long list.

    That's why I don't take "Constitutional conservatives" seriously. The original Constitutional scheme was destroyed by the 14th and subsequent amendments, and the document means what those in power say it means regardless.

    It wasn’t the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter). Most government programs fit under post New Deal interpretations of the general welfare clause – ” The Congress shall have Power To …. provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States.” EVERYTHING conceivably promotes the general welfare and fits under this clause. Under the S. Ct. precedents, Congress is its own judge as to what promotes the general welfare – if they say it does, then it does and the courts have no right to question this. The 16th Amendment (income tax) also had a major effect because it created a huge slush fund to pay for all this nonsense.

    As the US becomes more and more like a Communist country, it becomes useful to look at other Communist countries. In China it is very common for the military and other government agencies to have their own businesses and often in fields that have nothing to do with the underlying mission of the agency but are just good investments (or at least provide lucrative corruption opportunities for gov’t officials). In the US, this has been done up until now by subsidies and loans – the Dept. of Energy didn’t actually own Solyndra, they just provided all the funding for it. In some ways this is even worse – what we do is that we socialize losses and privatize gains. Goldman Sachs really likes this setup.

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    Having read the 14th, it seems focused on the events of the War of Northern Aggression and seems totally redundant these days. The constitution and the bill of rights seems to cover it.

    I particularly dislike the 'birth-right citizenship' vapors I detect emanating from it.

    Does that make me a pro-slavery extremist?

    Personally, I find the economic arguments and the human arguments against slavery pretty persuasive and consider it a huge mistake to have ever imported slaves to the US and think that the penalty for involvement in the slave trade should be hanging by the neck until dead.

    , @guest
    The 13th amendment abolished slavery (or some of it), not the 14th. You can oppose the 14th without regard to slavery. Why even bring it up?
    , @Almost Missouri
    It was the 13th Amendment that outlawed slavery not the 14th (i.e., the Anti-Gnostic is not pro-slavery). Like most bad laws, the 14th may have been well-intentioned, but its vague wording and dubious enactment made it a platform for every judicial activist and progressive utopianist since. It now guarantees little or nothing that isn't guaranteed better elsewhere, while it exclusively guarantee a bunch of activist claptrap its drafters and promoters never foresaw. Exhibit A: birthright citizenship.
    , @AnotherDad

    It wasn’t the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter).
     
    Huh? Jack i thought you were a lawyer or legal knowledgeable or something? (My age addled brain gets confused.)

    The 14th amendment isn't about slavery. The 13th finished that off. And in line with Anti-Gnostic's argument, i hear its Equal Protection clause being trotted out all the time by the left when they want to rip up some tradition or legislate via judges.

    Here's Section 1--the part that gets trotted out:

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
     
    Clearly the equal protection clause was there simply to insure that blacks\ex-slaves had the same rights and protections under civil and criminal law. But indeed it has been stretched repeatedly by the left, to anti-democratically strip majorities from making normal distinctions--age, sex, marital status, criminal background, etc. etc.--in law. Who knew for instance that the states approving this amendment were requiring gay marriage?

    I agree with you that the New Deal era was a significant break in our constitutional tradition with the idea Congress should decide everything. Honestly it had a great deal to do with the War and the Cold War in legitimizing an all powerful federal government. But the Civil War was a huge break as well. And in this post-War identity-politics era the 14th amendment has been a significant tool of the left.
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  85. I actually know a bit about Palantir:

    - Palantir has lots of Asian employees. Palantir PR videos heavily feature asian employees (with popped collars). I am highly skeptical of claims that they discriminate against Asians.

    - A legit scandal about Palantir: they fund “news” outlets like Wired to run fake news stories that are very thinly veiled advertisements for Palantir. Read the following, it’s not subtle. It’s so outrageously obviously fake journalism, but I guess people who aren’t on guard and wary will fall for it.

    https://www.wired.com/2012/08/palantir/

    https://www.wired.com/2012/08/software-brain-not-survivable/

    - The whole military intelligence defense contractor space is a wreck. They have a reputation for having large well paid staff pumping out low quality software. Top software talent is easy to buy, but the political + organizational culture of the defense contracting world just does not lead to awesome software. It’s _extremely_ regulation heavy. Palantir wants to sell themselves as a lean and efficient alternative to traditional defense contractors, but in reality, they are exactly just another defense contractor wanting to get their hands on large defense contractor contract dollars.

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    A legit scandal about Palantir: they fund “news” outlets like Wired to run fake news stories that are very thinly veiled advertisements for Palantir.
     
    There isn't a single corporation on Earth that doesn't do this.
    , @Jack D

    but the political + organizational culture of the defense contracting world just does not lead to awesome software
     
    Often it doesn't lead to software at all. It's not unusual for the DoD to spend billions on a project that never results in a working product. The millions and millions of lines of spaghetti code just trip over each other and will never run. Sort of like the Obamacare software.
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  86. Coalition of the Fringes fraying? Trying to apply a little kkkrazy glue … ?

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  87. So Thiel is obviously a Trump-supporter and a mensch, and despite our popular sideline of taking potshots at him over male growth hormone use and “power-glute” sex ads so is Andrew Sullivan (he defended John Rocker’s right to speak his mind back in the day and is still an uncompromising defender of free speech) what is it about gays and surveillance/intrigue/spying? Thiel owns Palantir, and Tim Cook Apple, maker of the real-life version of 1984′s telescreen, which provides you information but is also an incredibly comprehensive way to spy on you and control your life (it even now tells you to do your “daily jerks”- the only thing Orwell got wrong about the future is failing to see it would come in a much more convenient form factor).

    I was struck by the point from ZERO DARK THIRTY that real diversity is hiring a woman analyst to track bin Laden, since she would be more attuned to the network of family and personal relationships that could be used to snare him. So is the higher-than-expected preponderance of gay males in the intrigue professions simply their world-beating combination of cold, male analytics with a more female-attuned sensitivity to relationships, social status, and interiority?

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  88. @Jack D
    It wasn't the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter). Most government programs fit under post New Deal interpretations of the general welfare clause - " The Congress shall have Power To .... provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." EVERYTHING conceivably promotes the general welfare and fits under this clause. Under the S. Ct. precedents, Congress is its own judge as to what promotes the general welfare - if they say it does, then it does and the courts have no right to question this. The 16th Amendment (income tax) also had a major effect because it created a huge slush fund to pay for all this nonsense.

    As the US becomes more and more like a Communist country, it becomes useful to look at other Communist countries. In China it is very common for the military and other government agencies to have their own businesses and often in fields that have nothing to do with the underlying mission of the agency but are just good investments (or at least provide lucrative corruption opportunities for gov't officials). In the US, this has been done up until now by subsidies and loans - the Dept. of Energy didn't actually own Solyndra, they just provided all the funding for it. In some ways this is even worse - what we do is that we socialize losses and privatize gains. Goldman Sachs really likes this setup.

    Having read the 14th, it seems focused on the events of the War of Northern Aggression and seems totally redundant these days. The constitution and the bill of rights seems to cover it.

    I particularly dislike the ‘birth-right citizenship’ vapors I detect emanating from it.

    Does that make me a pro-slavery extremist?

    Personally, I find the economic arguments and the human arguments against slavery pretty persuasive and consider it a huge mistake to have ever imported slaves to the US and think that the penalty for involvement in the slave trade should be hanging by the neck until dead.

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    It certainly would be great to get rid of the 14th, but that's what passes for "constitutional law" among licensed attorneys. They don't tell you that, but that's what it is.

    When Khizr Khan waved our Constitution at us, he referred to only one part of it: the 14th. Because he's a lawyer. (But nobody told us, oops they must have forgotten.)

    It would take a complete regime change to dethrone the 14th, just as the imposition of it was considered a legal regime change, in which we put aside "laws" and came under "statutes".
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  89. @PiltdownMan
    Yeah.

    In the normal commercial world, a private company that is a client, represents the majority of revenue to a service provider and wants to see some new faces across the table would simply drop a hint or two. But Palantir and the government are different-or rather, they are the same, in a deep state sense.

    I know about independence of executive departments in our government but it certainly appears that one arm of the executive, Ms. Shiu's, is working at cross purposes with another, namely, the national security apparatus that signs the checks to Palantir and requires high security employees at Palantir, i.e. white guys. I'm surprised no one has ridden herd higher up and and simply told her to shelve the investigation. Or maybe I'm not surprised.

    Or maybe I’m not surprised.

    +1

    It is a bit sobering to glimpse the workings of the top levels of government and see all the petty feuds and other disorganization.

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  90. @SFG
    You know, this needs more play. Diversity silliness is actually starting to affect *national security*. We're not going to have smart people spying for us because they have to be the right shade. The Chinese have got to be laughing their heads off. Same with the Russians, though they've probably got a bottle of vodka open.

    National security being threatened by hiring people with obvious ethnic loyalties to a different nation is nothing new – in fact, it’s one of the oldest arguments for discrimination. Jonathan Pollard and the Rosenbergs are the American prototypes, but of course l’affaire Dreyfus is the most famous.

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    You do know (unlike Pollard and the Rosenbergs) Dreyfus was actually innocent, right?
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  91. @Wilkey
    "You know, this needs more play. Diversity silliness is actually starting to affect*national security*."

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs? The fact that Obama has now promoted as many (or more) blacks to the rank of four star general than all previous presidents combined?

    At the last count (and this was probably a year ago) there were 8 blacks appointed to four star by presidents before Obama, and Obama alone had appointed 8. At that time 18% of currently serving four stars were black. That despite the fact that blacks are only 13% of the US population and a far smaller share of the officer corps.

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs?

    Notice that for jobs that really, really cannot fail (apparently Sec. of State and President of the United States are now jobs that merely cannot fail) they are still occupied exclusively by craggy old white dudes- Comey at FBI, Brenner at CIA, Carter at Defense? (BTW, pro tip which my homie AnotherDad will back me up on- the one weird way you can tell who is gay, especially by the time they reach middle age, is whether they have the ebullient, boyishly awake look (gay) or the beaten-down, how can I kill myself and the family still collect the insurance ’cause my wife is a b!tch and my kids are spoiled jerks daily though experiment look (straight).

    But, yeah, those jobs will be in the sights of the diversity headhunters soon enough. As you mention, special operations (Rangers, if not Seals just yet) have been tagged for improving their womyn quotient and it’ll soon be 10 years since Gen. Casey said diversity is the most terrible casualty our armed forces could sustain. I can’t wait till Congress approves funds for next generation nuclear submarines with lactation stations, halal kitchens and prayer rooms- that’ll show those stale pale Ruskies who still cling to dying notions about submarine speed and stealth! Wonder also when the pressure will begin to drop intelligence services’ traditional prejudice against people with messy personal lives (affairs, divorces) as it discriminates against gay men and their situational notions of commitment, or to be spiteful go the other way and make national intelligence a lesbian old girls’ network, since where else can you find candidates with such impeccably clean personal lives that they’re creeping up on their silver wedding anniversaries but haven’t had sex with anyone in 20 years!

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    the beaten-down
     
    Also known as the Costco Shopper Look.
    , @Wilkey
    "Notice that for jobs that really, really cannot fail (apparently Sec. of State and President of the United States are now jobs that merely cannot fail) they are still occupied exclusively by craggy old white dudes"

    Yep. It was obvious in the picture taken during the Osama bin Laden raid. I recall counting 13 people in the photo, only one of whom - Obama himself - was even partially non-white. This was a collection of the most important national security figures in the administration, and of course there was no diversity.

    Same goes for Obama's campaign headquarters, which was almost 100% white + Asian. What, you thought Obama was going to put his re-election at risk by insisting on diversity? His re-election is IMPORTANT. It's far more important than bringing the 101st Airborne safely home.
    , @AnotherDad

    (BTW, pro tip which my homie AnotherDad will back me up on- the one weird way you can tell who is gay, especially by the time they reach middle age, is whether they have the ebullient, boyishly awake look (gay) or the beaten-down, how can I kill myself and the family still collect the insurance ’cause my wife is a b!tch and my kids are spoiled jerks daily though experiment look (straight).
     
    LOL. In fact, best laugh i've had in quite a while ... until i read Sailer's reply.
    , @Anonymous
    A devastating comment. "lactation stations…" Hah!
    , @Clyde
    You have a lot of good material there for an alt-right comedy channel.
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  92. @Jack D

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian
     
    Talk about burying the lede - for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications - more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn't involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees - $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income - what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) - if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about "the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates" who would lead to the "immiseration of the proletariat" - his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn't true at all - workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn't that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I'll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don't require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout's hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn't be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game - even the leftist gov't doesn't pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn't they have hired some of those?

    Very good comment.

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  93. @PiltdownMan
    Yeah.

    In the normal commercial world, a private company that is a client, represents the majority of revenue to a service provider and wants to see some new faces across the table would simply drop a hint or two. But Palantir and the government are different-or rather, they are the same, in a deep state sense.

    I know about independence of executive departments in our government but it certainly appears that one arm of the executive, Ms. Shiu's, is working at cross purposes with another, namely, the national security apparatus that signs the checks to Palantir and requires high security employees at Palantir, i.e. white guys. I'm surprised no one has ridden herd higher up and and simply told her to shelve the investigation. Or maybe I'm not surprised.

    I can just imagine a series of espionage scandals breaking out, with a number of Chinese-”American” federal employees implicated in the various acts of treason. After about three or four of these the general public begins to catch on to who and what is this Fifth Column and a President Hillary Clinton takes to the mike, paraphrasing Manuel Valls: “As devastating a blow as these security leaks are, it would be an even greater loss if we began calling the merits of our diversity and tolerance into question.”

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  94. @ATX Hipster

    The Obama Administration out to get Peter Thiel for endorsing Trump?
     
    That was my immediate gut-level reaction. If they actually cared about hiring practices they could go after a bigger fish like Google. Of course, 427 White House visits probably means Google doesn't have much to worry about there.

    Thought that immediately, too. But, this legal pursuit will have the unintended consequences of having all the pan-Asian guys and white guys working in SV realize that an existential crisis looms over them: their hopes of having a family – affording it; hanging on to their job/a job, once they are middle-aged.

    The American People & the future of the USA is at stake. This will galvanize more people, not just the ones who are working in SV to vote for Trump. Why in the world would they not? No one will vote against their economic interests ever again…2008 Wall Street-owned crisis was the last straw. Even the What’s the Matter with Kansas people are voting for Trump.

    Remembering Herman’s, “the rent is too damn high,” together with “Everyday” American’s reality (all worker bees) in SV/Pacific Northwest, will instill a sense of dread. So many of the techies still have student loans to pay, and the cleaners, cooks, security personnel, yoga instructors, etc. at these corporations are dependent on the paycheck. Brexit was the first calving of the EU iceberg, after all.

    OT: my wonderful late father often said, “this country has too many lawyers, and, eventually too many frivolous lawsuits, or unwinnable lawsuits, will bankrupt the USA, destroy companies that employ thousands of people who are dependent on their paychecks.” No other country in the world has a zest for lawsuits like the US. Was it Shakespeare who said something about offing lawyers? I’m too tired to remember the specific words.

    I expect massive amounts of people to just hide who they will vote for. Upshot: no stupid, wasteful lawn signs to ruin the Halloween decor. As a person concerned with aesthetics, this is quite nice.

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    I hope you're right, if only to see the media hacks heads spinning trying to understand Trump winning SV in a landslide. I don't think that many of them will actually make the connection.
    , @Neoconned
    Love your post but you made one vital error.....

    You say ppl won't vote against their economic interests.....

    What do you think all the minorities and women do for their welfare programs, chain migration, free public school and housing vouchers, govt make-work jobs, etc....

    Take that away and they're hosed.....
    , @artichoke
    Regarding all the lawyers that we didn't kill ... the "Sue the Saudis" act, where Congress just over-rode Obama's veto, could be genius. That new law actually means that Americans can generally sue foreign governments for their actions affecting the USA, as I understand it. Currently America is hobbled by American lawsuits. Now the whole world can be hobbled by American lawsuits!
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  95. @Jack D

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian
     
    Talk about burying the lede - for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications - more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn't involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees - $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income - what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) - if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about "the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates" who would lead to the "immiseration of the proletariat" - his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn't true at all - workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn't that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I'll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don't require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout's hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn't be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game - even the leftist gov't doesn't pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn't they have hired some of those?

    A decent opposition political party would use this as an opportunity to end the HB-1 visa program for the tech industry. Too bad we don’t have one of those.

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  96. @Cwhatfuture

    The suit cited several instances of bias. For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.
     
    How does the government know who is "qualified"? Do they know what this company is looking for? And knowing precisely what this company and each hiring manager wants, did they interview 1,160 persons?

    Of course not. By qualified they mean "credentialed", which is hardly the same thing. If this is the kind of evidence the government uses, companies will have to hire according to government mandated quotas by credential. And remember who you are getting - the schools will have to credential by racial quota as well.

    What this will lead to is the outsourcing of engineering functions. You don't have to sit in the US to write code. Engineering teams will be set up in Israel, India, Japan. Idiocy.

    How does the government know who is “qualified”? Do they know what this company is looking for? And knowing precisely what this company and each hiring manager wants, did they interview 1,160 persons?

    My thoughts exactly. If we go by what DPG (comment #1) said, Palantir employees tend to be exceptionally smart. If Silicon Valley SW engineering hiring situation is anything like here in Seattle, which is a safe assumption, there is no way that there are that many truly qualified applicants for each position. “Qualified” if you BS on your resume, yes.

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  97. @Abe

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs?
     
    Notice that for jobs that really, really cannot fail (apparently Sec. of State and President of the United States are now jobs that merely cannot fail) they are still occupied exclusively by craggy old white dudes- Comey at FBI, Brenner at CIA, Carter at Defense? (BTW, pro tip which my homie AnotherDad will back me up on- the one weird way you can tell who is gay, especially by the time they reach middle age, is whether they have the ebullient, boyishly awake look (gay) or the beaten-down, how can I kill myself and the family still collect the insurance 'cause my wife is a b!tch and my kids are spoiled jerks daily though experiment look (straight).

    But, yeah, those jobs will be in the sights of the diversity headhunters soon enough. As you mention, special operations (Rangers, if not Seals just yet) have been tagged for improving their womyn quotient and it'll soon be 10 years since Gen. Casey said diversity is the most terrible casualty our armed forces could sustain. I can't wait till Congress approves funds for next generation nuclear submarines with lactation stations, halal kitchens and prayer rooms- that'll show those stale pale Ruskies who still cling to dying notions about submarine speed and stealth! Wonder also when the pressure will begin to drop intelligence services' traditional prejudice against people with messy personal lives (affairs, divorces) as it discriminates against gay men and their situational notions of commitment, or to be spiteful go the other way and make national intelligence a lesbian old girls' network, since where else can you find candidates with such impeccably clean personal lives that they're creeping up on their silver wedding anniversaries but haven't had sex with anyone in 20 years!

    the beaten-down

    Also known as the Costco Shopper Look.

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    Lord yes! That's the look.

    BTW, life insurance purchased more than three years before your suicide is still payable. Unless, you commit suicide by cop. Then the insurance company would more than likely consider your death happened during the commission of a felony. Much better to pull the trigger yourself in the privacy of your own kitchen while the wife is shopping and the kids are gone.
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  98. @Jack D

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian
     
    Talk about burying the lede - for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications - more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn't involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees - $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income - what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) - if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about "the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates" who would lead to the "immiseration of the proletariat" - his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn't true at all - workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn't that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I'll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don't require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout's hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn't be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game - even the leftist gov't doesn't pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn't they have hired some of those?

    …for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications – more than 40 applicants for each job.

    The first comment (DPG) mentioned that, from his personal experience, Palantir employees are exceptionally smart. Meaning, there is no way that Palantir received 40 really qualified applicants for each position. I know a bit about hiring SW engineers in Seattle, and you just don’t get 40 really qualified applicants for each position, especially on the high end. I have no doubt that most of those 40 were under-qualified or just BS’ed on their resumes to appear qualified.

    A good hiring manager would quickly cut through the crap and weed out the marginal applicants. But I can see why the DOL would want to over-inflate the number of qualified applicants in their lawsuit, in order to make Palantir’s negotiating position weaker.

    From my experience again, the only SW engineers that companies can afford to underpay are H1-Bs, because they can’t leave. The competition for qualified staff (citizens or green card holders) is just too high to allow systematic underpayment, at least here in Seattle.

    I agree with the rest of your comment.

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  99. “14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian”

    A bag contains 1160 balls. 174 of the balls are colored white while 986 of the balls are a color other than white or yellow. Usual disclaimer about drawing being done in a fair way with no replacement blah blah blah.

    25 balls are drawn from the bag, what is the probability of drawing exactly 14 white balls?

    What is the probability of drawing 14 or more white balls?

    Post your answer here because I don’t care enough to solve it. I could not find an online calculator within my allotted 30 seconds of internet search time.

    Astute pupils will want to go further by looking into confidence intervals to see if the single Palantir draw is really out of bounds and by how many standard deviations. Feel free to make assumptions about the apriori distribution of white balls, you get super duper bonus points if you can work Bayes theorem into this somehow.

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    Suppose you've got a coin weighted 85/15 in favor of heads. You flip it 25 times and get 11 heads. That is what happened at Palantir with "heads" = "Asian". The chances of that happening by chance are roughly .000002, or two in a million. So it is a tad more than what the story says: "one in 3.4 million." And yes ... I am Asian.
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  100. @Mark Eugenikos

    How does the government know who is “qualified”? Do they know what this company is looking for? And knowing precisely what this company and each hiring manager wants, did they interview 1,160 persons?
     
    My thoughts exactly. If we go by what DPG (comment #1) said, Palantir employees tend to be exceptionally smart. If Silicon Valley SW engineering hiring situation is anything like here in Seattle, which is a safe assumption, there is no way that there are that many truly qualified applicants for each position. "Qualified" if you BS on your resume, yes.

    Doesn’t everyone BS on their resume?

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  102. @PiltdownMan
    Yeah.

    In the normal commercial world, a private company that is a client, represents the majority of revenue to a service provider and wants to see some new faces across the table would simply drop a hint or two. But Palantir and the government are different-or rather, they are the same, in a deep state sense.

    I know about independence of executive departments in our government but it certainly appears that one arm of the executive, Ms. Shiu's, is working at cross purposes with another, namely, the national security apparatus that signs the checks to Palantir and requires high security employees at Palantir, i.e. white guys. I'm surprised no one has ridden herd higher up and and simply told her to shelve the investigation. Or maybe I'm not surprised.

    I’m surprised no one has ridden herd higher up and and simply told her to shelve the investigation. Or maybe I’m not surprised.

    This is a political parting shot from Obama to Thiel for his support of Trump.

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  103. @Lot
    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.

    Trump just did not remind me of a Republican who wins statewide in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

    Lot still mad Cruz got rolled by the Trump Train. News at 11.

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    Lot still mad Cruz got rolled by the Trump Train.

     

    You're mistaking me for someone else, I've always been on the Trump Train.

    Cruz was the best of the dozen establishment candidates, but he was still awful.
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  104. @Buck Turgidson
    The 'Department of Labor' needs to be shut down and given a burial, decent or otherwise.

    Agreed.

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  105. We know how Asians excel at credentialism. This is a direct attack on the remaining whites working in STEM fields.

    Remember to pull this one out when some clown suggests that Asians might ally with whites against the diversity extortion coalition. Asians are part of this, they covet white held jobs in STEM, the professions and small business as well as white seats in the top universities.

    The conflict between whites and Asians is just getting started. Asian ethnic activist groups have a raft of similar complaints, arguing that not enough executives, CEO’s, Ivy League professors, judges etc. are Asian because too many are white.

    Obama may be doing this to stoke tension between whites and Asians. It will work, whites in STEM are already under siege and know it.

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  106. @Massimo Heitor
    I actually know a bit about Palantir:

    - Palantir has lots of Asian employees. Palantir PR videos heavily feature asian employees (with popped collars). I am highly skeptical of claims that they discriminate against Asians.

    - A legit scandal about Palantir: they fund "news" outlets like Wired to run fake news stories that are very thinly veiled advertisements for Palantir. Read the following, it's not subtle. It's so outrageously obviously fake journalism, but I guess people who aren't on guard and wary will fall for it.

    https://www.wired.com/2012/08/palantir/
    https://www.wired.com/2012/08/software-brain-not-survivable/

    - The whole military intelligence defense contractor space is a wreck. They have a reputation for having large well paid staff pumping out low quality software. Top software talent is easy to buy, but the political + organizational culture of the defense contracting world just does not lead to awesome software. It's _extremely_ regulation heavy. Palantir wants to sell themselves as a lean and efficient alternative to traditional defense contractors, but in reality, they are exactly just another defense contractor wanting to get their hands on large defense contractor contract dollars.

    A legit scandal about Palantir: they fund “news” outlets like Wired to run fake news stories that are very thinly veiled advertisements for Palantir.

    There isn’t a single corporation on Earth that doesn’t do this.

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  107. @George
    "14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian"

    A bag contains 1160 balls. 174 of the balls are colored white while 986 of the balls are a color other than white or yellow. Usual disclaimer about drawing being done in a fair way with no replacement blah blah blah.

    25 balls are drawn from the bag, what is the probability of drawing exactly 14 white balls?

    What is the probability of drawing 14 or more white balls?

    Post your answer here because I don't care enough to solve it. I could not find an online calculator within my allotted 30 seconds of internet search time.

    Astute pupils will want to go further by looking into confidence intervals to see if the single Palantir draw is really out of bounds and by how many standard deviations. Feel free to make assumptions about the apriori distribution of white balls, you get super duper bonus points if you can work Bayes theorem into this somehow.

    Suppose you’ve got a coin weighted 85/15 in favor of heads. You flip it 25 times and get 11 heads. That is what happened at Palantir with “heads” = “Asian”. The chances of that happening by chance are roughly .000002, or two in a million. So it is a tad more than what the story says: “one in 3.4 million.” And yes … I am Asian.

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    If we must be so terribly aspie in our approach to this issue, we should acknowledge that the cumulative probability of getting anything less than 85% Asian hires, like 21 out of 25, is of course something closer to only 50%. Chance alone is obviously racist. And no, I am not Asian.
    , @J
    Doc, what the hell are you calculating? According to the accusation Palantir was racially distorting the free play of the probabilities. 85% of the applicant were Asian, therefore, says the government, 85% of the hired engineers should have been Asian. Any other proportion would mean that Palantir is racially biased.

    The only way Palantir can survive in this Government imposed racial quota system is by cheating, which given the Government's ludicrous math skills, must be extremely easy and fun.
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  108. I wonder if Obama will sue Harvard, Yale, and Princeton for only having 17% Asian enrollment. Plus they are a little lopsided religiously as well.

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  109. What appears to be out of line is not the number of Asians hired by Palantir, but the number of Asians who applied for the job.

    I find these statistics quoted in another article (complaining about women’s low numbers instead of Asian low numbers, so they can be honest about the Asian thing.)

    White employees are 61 percent of Google’s workforce while Asians make up 30 percent, blacks 2 percent and Hispanics 3 percent. The majority of leadership roles – 72 percent – are held by whites with Asians holding 23 percent and other minorities claiming less than 6 percent of top spots.

    Four percent of employed software developers in the United States are African American, 5 percent are Hispanic and 29 percent are Asian, according to the [Bureau of Labor Statistics]. Comparatively, 1 percent of the Google’s tech workforce is black, 2 percent is Hispanic and 34 percent is Asian.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/29/most-google-employees-are-white-men-where-are-allthewomen/

    Obviously, 11/25 Asians (=44%) is more than compatible both with Google’s numbers and the numbers nationwide for Asian software engineers.

    But how did 85% of the “qualified applicants” to these jobs at Palantir turn out to be Asian? (And does “qualified” mean only technically qualified, or also eligible to get a top secret security clearance?)

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    "But how did 85% of the “qualified applicants” to these jobs at Palantir turn out to be Asian?"

    The numbers are so skewed, it's almost as if Chinese intelligence services would try to flood Palantir with applicants in the hopes of getting a few moles in the door.
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  110. @Anonymous
    OT, but used to be they retired your number because of a lifetime's batting average over 300, lots of home runs, RBIs and few errors or for a career with a great won/loss ratio, high strikeout rate and low ERA but today all you have to do to gain baseball immortality is go for a midnight joy ride with your friends in your hotrod boat and smash head-on into a rock jetty at high speed and kill yourself and your friends. This is a great example of sterling behavior to set before your kids as worthy of undying praise.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/09/26/marlins-honor-jose-fernandez/91134160/

    As the Derb says, "We Are Doomed."

    The virtue-signalling down here is embarrassing and disgusting. They are flying the flag at half-staff, for Christ’s sake.

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  111. @AndrewR
    Not that the debate increased my respect for the vile sociopath Hillary one iota but she won the debate by any reasonable measure. She appeared healthy and, unlike Trump, she didn't ramble, interrupt the moderator, hit below the belt or go past her alotted time much if at all. Trump missed a lot of great opportunities. He also said some ridiculous things (like saying she'd been fighting ISIS her whole life). He also missed a great opportunity to call her out on a really really stupid thing she said (she implied that Trump unjustifiably believes women shouldn't get equal pay for inferior work).

    Trump really is not a serious candidate.

    There were times when he didn’t even finish his thought, like during the birther question when he kept talking about Blumenthal and Doyle but never actually reaching a conclusion.

    He definitely could have stood to be more zen.

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  112. @Anonymous
    Sometimes I see white mothers bragging about how their child is majoring in STEM, and I feel almost pity for them and want to tell them that the propaganda about the STEM shortage and STEM as a path to future career success is mostly a lie. But, I don't want to crush them, plus their child might be one of the exceptions who goes on to really make it big or to simply have a really very nice STEM career.

    Just had this conversation last night with my brother – a $400K/yr medical doctor working for a large insurance company. He’s strongly discouraging his two sons (ages 12 & 14) from going into medicine. He wants them to study engineering. I’ve argued with him about the severe limitations on a successful, lucrative engineering career, but he knows a guy that has a brother that studied engineering and became a big VP at GE, so there.

    I earned my BS Computer Science 30 years ago followed up w/ a well-regarded MBA, and due to a couple of layoffs & blown opportunities, the “Great Recession,” H-1B immigration, and crushing competition, I’m earning exactly what I earned in 1999 – well under $100K. My sis-in-law is a $150K per year optometrist working 35-hour weeks as an employee of some established practice. They plan to retire at 55 y/o with over $10 million net worth.

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    I wasted some years in engineering then went into finance, which was much more fun.

    I think a STEM undergrad degree is fine, it's a good education and gives you a fallback occupation. But engineering per se is a young person's game, and the white men are totally cucked so it's a bad place for a white man to stay.

    One should move on to graduate training in, say, medicine, optometry, law if the job market improves -- something where an old practitioner is "seasoned" rather than "obsolete".
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  113. @Jesse
    How much of this is revenge against Peter Thiel?

    Also, I'm going from assuming that the establishment types - on both left and right - are just that freaking stupid to assuming they actively hate their own country.

    just that freaking stupid to assuming they actively hate their own country.

    The country we know as America is not their own country. They’re (enthusiastic) citizens of the world. Ask them.

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  114. Insightful read on the topic:

    The Insider Threat, from an Alt-Right Viewpoint
    Carl F. Robinson

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/08/the-insider-threat-from-an-alt-right-viewpoint/

    The White Savior Narrative Influencing American Leadership Policies

    After Major Hasan went on his rampage, the US Army’s Chief of Staff General George Casey stated that “Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.”[16] Under the Civil Rights narrative, American government officials are put into a position where they must be a “white savior” to the non-whites and keep the regular mission going. The “white savior” is a white person who motivates, saves, improves, etc. some group of non-whites. Due to this sub-function of the Civil Rights environment, no Chief of Staff can possibly say that Islamic soldiers punch above their weight in insider threat behavior. To this day, more Americans have been killed by Muslims in the US Army than Muslims have been killed on the American side in combat. Saying so is admitting failure as a “white savior.” For the same reason, no American official can say that employing Chinese in sensitive technical positions is a bad idea.

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    I suppose Casey's comment gets to the heart of the real purpose of the US Army now - to diversify the world, clearing the path for Global Consumerization.
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  115. @Cloudbuster
    When will they just simplify things and make it illegal to hire white men?

    Patience Grasshopper.

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  116. So is the higher-than-expected preponderance of gay males in the intrigue professions simply their world-beating combination of cold, male analytics with a more female-attuned sensitivity to relationships, social status, and interiority?

    “A single life does well with churchmen, for charity will hardly water the ground when it first must fill a pool.”

    - Francis Bacon, Essays

    http://www.bartleby.com/3/1/8.html

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  117. @AndrewR
    Not that the debate increased my respect for the vile sociopath Hillary one iota but she won the debate by any reasonable measure. She appeared healthy and, unlike Trump, she didn't ramble, interrupt the moderator, hit below the belt or go past her alotted time much if at all. Trump missed a lot of great opportunities. He also said some ridiculous things (like saying she'd been fighting ISIS her whole life). He also missed a great opportunity to call her out on a really really stupid thing she said (she implied that Trump unjustifiably believes women shouldn't get equal pay for inferior work).

    Trump really is not a serious candidate.

    Trump missed a lot of great opportunities. He also said some ridiculous things (like saying she’d been fighting ISIS her whole life). He also missed a great opportunity to call her out on a really really stupid thing she said (she implied that Trump unjustifiably believes women shouldn’t get equal pay for inferior work).

    Trump had a slip of the tongue with the “whole life” comment; everyone knows what he really meant. Same for Clinton saying it unfair women should work as hard for equal pay. The great Aspergers electoral tidal wave we’ve been hearing about for so long has not gone through the formality of actually coming into existence.

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  118. @Massimo Heitor
    I actually know a bit about Palantir:

    - Palantir has lots of Asian employees. Palantir PR videos heavily feature asian employees (with popped collars). I am highly skeptical of claims that they discriminate against Asians.

    - A legit scandal about Palantir: they fund "news" outlets like Wired to run fake news stories that are very thinly veiled advertisements for Palantir. Read the following, it's not subtle. It's so outrageously obviously fake journalism, but I guess people who aren't on guard and wary will fall for it.

    https://www.wired.com/2012/08/palantir/
    https://www.wired.com/2012/08/software-brain-not-survivable/

    - The whole military intelligence defense contractor space is a wreck. They have a reputation for having large well paid staff pumping out low quality software. Top software talent is easy to buy, but the political + organizational culture of the defense contracting world just does not lead to awesome software. It's _extremely_ regulation heavy. Palantir wants to sell themselves as a lean and efficient alternative to traditional defense contractors, but in reality, they are exactly just another defense contractor wanting to get their hands on large defense contractor contract dollars.

    but the political + organizational culture of the defense contracting world just does not lead to awesome software

    Often it doesn’t lead to software at all. It’s not unusual for the DoD to spend billions on a project that never results in a working product. The millions and millions of lines of spaghetti code just trip over each other and will never run. Sort of like the Obamacare software.

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    But they created Ada to fix that problem, so surely it is no longer so.
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  119. This is textbook anarcho-tyranny. They can go after whomever they want, whenever they want, for whatever reason. It’s up to their whim.

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  120. @Mr. Anon
    "The intelligence community needs to stay on the cutting edge.........."

    Who says? Them? What statutory authority is there for a government agency to go into business? Or is the CIA supposed to be above the law?

    “Statutory authority?” What, are you in the second grade?

    That being said, maybe there is a law; I don’t know. But they don’t need one. The CIA is not supposed to be above the law, but practically it is. So is the rest of the executive branch, not to mention the federal government as a whole. They make it up as they go.

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    Are you? It means authority deriving from the law. It's a perfectly normal term. I am not obligated to indulge your ignorance.
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  121. @Jack D
    It wasn't the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter). Most government programs fit under post New Deal interpretations of the general welfare clause - " The Congress shall have Power To .... provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." EVERYTHING conceivably promotes the general welfare and fits under this clause. Under the S. Ct. precedents, Congress is its own judge as to what promotes the general welfare - if they say it does, then it does and the courts have no right to question this. The 16th Amendment (income tax) also had a major effect because it created a huge slush fund to pay for all this nonsense.

    As the US becomes more and more like a Communist country, it becomes useful to look at other Communist countries. In China it is very common for the military and other government agencies to have their own businesses and often in fields that have nothing to do with the underlying mission of the agency but are just good investments (or at least provide lucrative corruption opportunities for gov't officials). In the US, this has been done up until now by subsidies and loans - the Dept. of Energy didn't actually own Solyndra, they just provided all the funding for it. In some ways this is even worse - what we do is that we socialize losses and privatize gains. Goldman Sachs really likes this setup.

    The 13th amendment abolished slavery (or some of it), not the 14th. You can oppose the 14th without regard to slavery. Why even bring it up?

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  122. @biz
    That was because of explicit quotas - caps on the number of Jews allowed entry, no matter how qualified they might be. It is similar to what Malaysia currently does to its Chinese minority.

    That was because of explicit quotas – caps on the number of Jews allowed entry, no matter how qualified they might be. It is similar to what Malaysia currently does to its Chinese minority.

    This is a nonsense point. It was just Jewish striving and whining.

    As i’ve pointed out repeatedly these were *private* Protestant institutions serving the NE WASPy elite. They are entitled to define their mission as they see fit and even refuse to serve *anyone*–no Jews, none of my Irish Catholic folks, no Asians, heck no downmarket Protestant rednecks (still pretty much the case). They could have filled their student bodies with your Cabots and Lowells, Lodges Eliots, Forbes, Delanos and Coolidges with your occasional Bush thrown in. If that’s what they wanted to do. They chose instead to continue to cater to their historic WASP founders, but also take a quota of folks from talented outgroups … and then those folks whine about it.

    Your claim that the complaint was about explicit quotas “no matter how qualified” is just mathematically\logically a nonsense point. (Yes, the Supreme Court has used it–but then they gave us Griggs v. Duke Power and “disparate impact”, math is not what they do.)

    Once you wade into affirmative action at all, you’re doing this. You’re saying “i’m willing to live with inferiority\superiority in my (normal) selection metric to get the results i want. Making what you’re doing fuzzy is irrelevant. Harvard manages to rustle up a 10-12% African American class every year despite no-conceivable academic metric yielding them anything close to that (even after tapping Africa). What actually chaps your hide is simply that the quota was on you–*your people*. That, of course, everyone seems to think is uniquely “unfair”.

    Some sort of “affirmative action”–i.e. quotas–seems to come down like rain whenever you have “diversity” and democratic politics (even often non-democratic politics)–see India.

    The best policy is far and away … do not have diversity!

    But if you have it, then the honesty of a quota–like the Indians–is far better. Then you can have the straight out political fight about the size of the quota for various groups. Which lets you also discuss the cost v. benefits of the quota.

    My take is once you’re having affirmative action and quotas, you *should* have quota on the high achieving groups as well–they bear the cost not just the groups in the middle of the pack. Which in the case of the US is in fact the white gentiles entirely responsible for building the nation!

    A quota range, say representation of no less than 1/2 X–where X is your group’s share of the population–to no more than 4X, strikes me as very fair. Blacks would get 8%–not their share, but significantly represented. Hispanics maybe a point more. On the other end, Jews would be limited to 8% and Asians to 16%–again perhaps not their shares of the most talented, but the truly talented ones get their due. White gentiles in the middle would be squeezed, but not the squeeze out they get now. You could have under-represented groups–say Scots-Irish rednecks–petition for their own quota to make sure they had representation.

    Diversity sucks. But if you’re going to play these games, then best to play them in the daylight with fair rules.

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    "But if you’re going to play these games, then best to play them in the daylight with fair rules."

    Now you're talking! And you said it well too.
    , @Jack D

    As i’ve pointed out repeatedly these were *private* Protestant institutions serving the NE WASPy elite. They are entitled to define their mission as they see fit and even refuse to serve *anyone*
     
    "Entitled" how? In your estimation, yes. According to law, no. Certainly not after 1964, but even in 1924 this was a dicey position politically in the Northeast US if perhaps not yet legally. As I have explained before, even in the 20s they didn't have the cojones to come out and say that this is what they were doing and hid behind "regional diversity".
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  123. @AndrewR
    I agree that Shiu is a rent-seeking parasite who has made a good living out of the diversity racket, but the Chinese have been here a long time. There's a good chance Shiu's Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu's Chinese ancestors did make this more of "your country" than Shiu's?

    One also notes the Orwellian deceit of calling a half-"white" person "non-white", unless you consider the Irish to be "non-white", which you presumably do not.

    Red Indians have been here even longer than Railroad-Americans. What’s your point?

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  124. @AndrewR
    The chance that you know multiple people that work there, all of whom are "3 and 4 std dev above the average kind of smart" seems... unlikely.

    Not unlikely. “The Bell Curve” on social stratification.

    … How much partitioning has really occurred?

    Perhaps a few examples will illustrate. Think of your twelve closest friends or colleagues. For most readers of this book, a large majority will be college graduates. Does it surprise you to learn that the odds of having even half at them be college graduates are only six in a thousand, if people were randomly paired off? [341 Many of you will not think it odd that half or more of the dozen have advanced degrees. But the odds against finding such a result among a randomly chosen group of twelve Americans are actually more than a million to one. Are any of the dozen a graduate of Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Cal Tech, MIT, Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell, Columbia, University of Chicago, or Brown? The chance that even one is a graduate of those twelve schools is one in a thousand. The chance of finding two among that group is one in fifty thousand. The chance of finding four or more is less than one in a billion.

    Most readers of this book — this may be said because we know a great deal about the statistical tendencies of people who read a book like this — are in preposterously unlikely groups, and this reflects the degree of partitioning that has already occurred.

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  125. @AndrewR
    I agree that Shiu is a rent-seeking parasite who has made a good living out of the diversity racket, but the Chinese have been here a long time. There's a good chance Shiu's Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu's Chinese ancestors did make this more of "your country" than Shiu's?

    One also notes the Orwellian deceit of calling a half-"white" person "non-white", unless you consider the Irish to be "non-white", which you presumably do not.

    Orwellian? Get out of here. You think Obama is deceiving people when he presents himself as black? We all know about his white mom but play along anyway. Why do you think that is.

    You have to study up on racial conventions. You can’t deduce them logically from general principle.

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  126. @Mr. Anon
    "The intelligence community needs to stay on the cutting edge.........."

    Who says? Them? What statutory authority is there for a government agency to go into business? Or is the CIA supposed to be above the law?

    I don’t know about the legality of it. I was just giving a rationale.

    Espionage is an arms race that doesn’t end. Of course the CIA should try to stay on top of current technology.

    Whether or not they should do it by gambling tax dollars is a separate issue. The government gives grants all the time. In-Q-Tel at least can make its money back. It’s the federal government though, so it’s probably fair to assume the system is extremely corrupt.

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  127. @Jack D
    It wasn't the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter). Most government programs fit under post New Deal interpretations of the general welfare clause - " The Congress shall have Power To .... provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." EVERYTHING conceivably promotes the general welfare and fits under this clause. Under the S. Ct. precedents, Congress is its own judge as to what promotes the general welfare - if they say it does, then it does and the courts have no right to question this. The 16th Amendment (income tax) also had a major effect because it created a huge slush fund to pay for all this nonsense.

    As the US becomes more and more like a Communist country, it becomes useful to look at other Communist countries. In China it is very common for the military and other government agencies to have their own businesses and often in fields that have nothing to do with the underlying mission of the agency but are just good investments (or at least provide lucrative corruption opportunities for gov't officials). In the US, this has been done up until now by subsidies and loans - the Dept. of Energy didn't actually own Solyndra, they just provided all the funding for it. In some ways this is even worse - what we do is that we socialize losses and privatize gains. Goldman Sachs really likes this setup.

    It was the 13th Amendment that outlawed slavery not the 14th (i.e., the Anti-Gnostic is not pro-slavery). Like most bad laws, the 14th may have been well-intentioned, but its vague wording and dubious enactment made it a platform for every judicial activist and progressive utopianist since. It now guarantees little or nothing that isn’t guaranteed better elsewhere, while it exclusively guarantee a bunch of activist claptrap its drafters and promoters never foresaw. Exhibit A: birthright citizenship.

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  128. @AndrewR
    I agree that Shiu is a rent-seeking parasite who has made a good living out of the diversity racket, but the Chinese have been here a long time. There's a good chance Shiu's Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu's Chinese ancestors did make this more of "your country" than Shiu's?

    One also notes the Orwellian deceit of calling a half-"white" person "non-white", unless you consider the Irish to be "non-white", which you presumably do not.

    One also notes the Orwellian deceit of calling a half-”white” person “non-white”, unless you consider the Irish to be “non-white”, which you presumably do not.

    It’s the Shius, Obamas, and the Colin Kaepernicks of this country who have made the choice to identify so for their benefit.

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  129. @Steve Sailer

    the beaten-down
     
    Also known as the Costco Shopper Look.

    Lord yes! That’s the look.

    BTW, life insurance purchased more than three years before your suicide is still payable. Unless, you commit suicide by cop. Then the insurance company would more than likely consider your death happened during the commission of a felony. Much better to pull the trigger yourself in the privacy of your own kitchen while the wife is shopping and the kids are gone.

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  130. OT. Again.

    When a UK women’s champion fell-runner (1 British and 3 English titles in one of the toughest athletic disciplines) stabbed a (black) senior UK Athletics official and was convicted of attempted murder, I assumed it was a case of unrequited lust or similar – media reports were pretty vague about motive and the victim was a hunky former rugby star. Hell hath no fury etc.

    Turns out the athlete, Lauren Jeska, was formerly a male, and was (allegedly) facing an inquiry into her status as a “female” runner.

    “Her titles could have been in doubt if UK Athletics ruled that she had had an unfair advantage while competing against women, sources suggested.”

    https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2016/09/22/uk-transwoman-athlete-admits-to-triple-stab-attack-on-sports-officials-who-discovered-he-was-male/

    (The site I think is very against that sort of thing, but it links to the press reports)

    S/he is in a women’s prison now – hopefully not in the kitchens.

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  131. @Jack D

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian
     
    Talk about burying the lede - for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications - more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn't involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees - $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income - what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) - if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about "the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates" who would lead to the "immiseration of the proletariat" - his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn't true at all - workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn't that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I'll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don't require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout's hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn't be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game - even the leftist gov't doesn't pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn't they have hired some of those?

    if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available.

    I don’t know. Palantir is at super elite. Maybe they get 40 applicants for each position because they pay well? Certainly Palantir employees are not there because they have nowhere else to go.

    Similarly, how many applicants do you think Goldman gets for each position? Are you going to argue that Goldman employees are underpaid based on that?

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  132. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.
    “The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in 3.4 million,” the government said in the filing.

    Let's check this arithmetic. Among n = 14+11 = 25 hirees randomly chosen from a pool of qualified applicants 85% of whom are Asian, what is the probability of hiring no more than 11 Asians?

    p = .85 = prb that a qualified applicant is Asian, q = 1-p = .15 = prb that a qualified applicant is non-Asian, P(k) = prb that exactly k of the n hirees are Asian = C(n,k) ways to choose k out of n applicants * p^k prb that these k applicants are Asian * q^(n-k) prb that the other n-k applicants are non-Asian; i.e., P(k) = C(n,k)*p^k*q^(n-k). So the asked-for probability is P(0)+P(1)+P(2)+...+P(11).

    Here is a TI-83/84 programmable calculator routine to compute this probability:

    25 sto N:.85 sto P:1-P sto Q:0 sto S

    For(K,0,11):(N nCr K)*P^K*Q^(N-K)+S sto S:End

    Disp S

    When I run this routine, I get S = 2.493574543E-6, which is approximately 1 in 401,031, not 1 in 3.4 million. Did I do something wrong?

    I tried a google spreadsheet and got your number too. It took me a while though. Math is hard

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  133. @Jack D

    but the political + organizational culture of the defense contracting world just does not lead to awesome software
     
    Often it doesn't lead to software at all. It's not unusual for the DoD to spend billions on a project that never results in a working product. The millions and millions of lines of spaghetti code just trip over each other and will never run. Sort of like the Obamacare software.

    But they created Ada to fix that problem, so surely it is no longer so.

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    But they created Ada to fix that problem, so surely it is no longer so.


    Hahaha! My grandfather worked on the Patriot Missile for a large government defense contractor, my father worked on the Patriot Missile for a large government defense contractor, and thirty years ago I worked on the Patriot Missile, coding in Ada, for a large government defense contractor. My grandmother had been enjoying my grandfather's pension from the large government defense contractor for forty years!
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  134. @Jack D
    It wasn't the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter). Most government programs fit under post New Deal interpretations of the general welfare clause - " The Congress shall have Power To .... provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." EVERYTHING conceivably promotes the general welfare and fits under this clause. Under the S. Ct. precedents, Congress is its own judge as to what promotes the general welfare - if they say it does, then it does and the courts have no right to question this. The 16th Amendment (income tax) also had a major effect because it created a huge slush fund to pay for all this nonsense.

    As the US becomes more and more like a Communist country, it becomes useful to look at other Communist countries. In China it is very common for the military and other government agencies to have their own businesses and often in fields that have nothing to do with the underlying mission of the agency but are just good investments (or at least provide lucrative corruption opportunities for gov't officials). In the US, this has been done up until now by subsidies and loans - the Dept. of Energy didn't actually own Solyndra, they just provided all the funding for it. In some ways this is even worse - what we do is that we socialize losses and privatize gains. Goldman Sachs really likes this setup.

    It wasn’t the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter).

    Huh? Jack i thought you were a lawyer or legal knowledgeable or something? (My age addled brain gets confused.)

    The 14th amendment isn’t about slavery. The 13th finished that off. And in line with Anti-Gnostic’s argument, i hear its Equal Protection clause being trotted out all the time by the left when they want to rip up some tradition or legislate via judges.

    Here’s Section 1–the part that gets trotted out:

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Clearly the equal protection clause was there simply to insure that blacks\ex-slaves had the same rights and protections under civil and criminal law. But indeed it has been stretched repeatedly by the left, to anti-democratically strip majorities from making normal distinctions–age, sex, marital status, criminal background, etc. etc.–in law. Who knew for instance that the states approving this amendment were requiring gay marriage?

    I agree with you that the New Deal era was a significant break in our constitutional tradition with the idea Congress should decide everything. Honestly it had a great deal to do with the War and the Cold War in legitimizing an all powerful federal government. But the Civil War was a huge break as well. And in this post-War identity-politics era the 14th amendment has been a significant tool of the left.

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    But the Civil War was a huge break as well…
     
    …as were the fugitive slave ordinances before that which, although constitutional, were a crushing blow to state sovereignty. Why would crossing the Great Lakes free a slave, but not crossing the Ohio? Why didn't the states in-between have a say in the matter?
    , @Jack D
    13, 14 and 15 were all enacted together. 14 is directed at former slaves - the "persons" and "citizens" they keep talking about are implicitly the ex-slaves who were just freed in 13.
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  135. @27 year old
    >CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this – go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints?

    Interestingly enough, the Department of Agriculture is a major mortgage lender, or more accurately, a major guarantor of mortgage debt.

    http://www.rd.usda.gov/programs-services/single-family-housing-guaranteed-loan-program

    However, I don't think they did this with the intention of making money, and I doubt they are making money on the program.

    Another Charles Murray class divide marker: Do you know about USDA home loans?

    class divide marker: Do you know about USDA home loans?

    They certainly know about that other USDA venture, EBT, or “Eat Before Thursday [midnight]“, when the paycheck is posted.

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  136. @Mr. Anon
    "I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians."

    Palantir is involved in intelligence gathering for the US government. Perhaps the management doesn't want to hire Chinese, because a significant fraction of likely candidates might be spies, or could eventually be recruited to be spies.

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this - go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    Department of Interior indeed. Well done.

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  137. @Jason Liu
    What's strange is that Asians are generally not counted as "real minorities" in silicon valley because we're not oppressed enough. That's why you hear a lot of whining about how tech isn't diverse even though Asians are disproportionately represented.

    It's possible that Patricia is just some type of SJW who, unable to push blacks and browns into the narrative, was force to use a less desirable victim group (Asians) to signal virtue.

    “It’s possible that Patricia is just some type of SJW”

    The majority of Asian Americans in general are Social Justice Warriors.

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  138. @AnotherDad

    It wasn’t the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter).
     
    Huh? Jack i thought you were a lawyer or legal knowledgeable or something? (My age addled brain gets confused.)

    The 14th amendment isn't about slavery. The 13th finished that off. And in line with Anti-Gnostic's argument, i hear its Equal Protection clause being trotted out all the time by the left when they want to rip up some tradition or legislate via judges.

    Here's Section 1--the part that gets trotted out:

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
     
    Clearly the equal protection clause was there simply to insure that blacks\ex-slaves had the same rights and protections under civil and criminal law. But indeed it has been stretched repeatedly by the left, to anti-democratically strip majorities from making normal distinctions--age, sex, marital status, criminal background, etc. etc.--in law. Who knew for instance that the states approving this amendment were requiring gay marriage?

    I agree with you that the New Deal era was a significant break in our constitutional tradition with the idea Congress should decide everything. Honestly it had a great deal to do with the War and the Cold War in legitimizing an all powerful federal government. But the Civil War was a huge break as well. And in this post-War identity-politics era the 14th amendment has been a significant tool of the left.

    But the Civil War was a huge break as well…

    …as were the fugitive slave ordinances before that which, although constitutional, were a crushing blow to state sovereignty. Why would crossing the Great Lakes free a slave, but not crossing the Ohio? Why didn’t the states in-between have a say in the matter?

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  139. Didn’t Sauron have a Palantir? Just sayin’.

    what is it about gays and surveillance/intrigue/spying?

    1. No families.
    2. Degenerates.
    3. Easily blackmailed/security risk.

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  140. @Lot
    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.

    Trump just did not remind me of a Republican who wins statewide in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, etc.

    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.

    I watched a good hour, before i had to leave for my scout meeting. For someone who really cares it was painful. Hillary was not “good”–she was her usual smarmy self, with the typical Democrat\big-state crap about a plan for everything. And she is deathly boring. But she showed up to do her shtick competently.

    I’m guessing that the betting markets had a lot of people like me, who aware of Hillary’s vulnerabilities and the opportunities to clear make a nationalist case *expected*–had “priced in”– Trump to show up and do some of that. And he utterly failed to do so.

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    Hillary had all the support, possibly knowing the questions, possibly earpiece, definitely Holt helping her all he could. Trump did well to fight all this, which effectively limited the damage. Even if Trump looked good to true believers and average sincere people, it shows that Hillary will have such extra help all the way to the election.

    And that last point might be what drove the betting odds in her favor.
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  141. @Jack D

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian
     
    Talk about burying the lede - for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications - more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn't involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees - $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income - what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) - if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about "the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates" who would lead to the "immiseration of the proletariat" - his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn't true at all - workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn't that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I'll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don't require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout's hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn't be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game - even the leftist gov't doesn't pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn't they have hired some of those?

    “Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game – even the leftist gov’t doesn’t pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn’t they have hired some of those?”

    Why didn’t Palantir hire Donald Glover from The Martian, after all he is obviously a MENSA genius.

    By the way Donald Glover’s guilty of racist cultural appropriation, because his rap name is Childish Gambino and he’s obviously not Italian or part of any other Mediterranean ethnic group for that matter.

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  142. @Anonymous
    Sometimes I see white mothers bragging about how their child is majoring in STEM, and I feel almost pity for them and want to tell them that the propaganda about the STEM shortage and STEM as a path to future career success is mostly a lie. But, I don't want to crush them, plus their child might be one of the exceptions who goes on to really make it big or to simply have a really very nice STEM career.

    What else are you gonna major in? Some left-wing field where you have to kiss the PC professor’s behind all the time?

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  143. I think you all had best think of strategies for the contingencies where Trump doesn’t win. Of course that should have been done from the beginning – hope for the best and plan for the worst – but I’m not especially sanguine about his chances right now.

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    Get liquid and go to one of the many countries with a better climate. I am not going to contribute my skills to Hillary's America.
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  144. @AnotherDad

    Trump dropped hard in the betting markets overnight. I only watched 10 minutes of it, but I thought Hillary looked and sounded better than Trump.
     
    I watched a good hour, before i had to leave for my scout meeting. For someone who really cares it was painful. Hillary was not "good"--she was her usual smarmy self, with the typical Democrat\big-state crap about a plan for everything. And she is deathly boring. But she showed up to do her shtick competently.

    I'm guessing that the betting markets had a lot of people like me, who aware of Hillary's vulnerabilities and the opportunities to clear make a nationalist case *expected*--had "priced in"-- Trump to show up and do some of that. And he utterly failed to do so.

    Hillary had all the support, possibly knowing the questions, possibly earpiece, definitely Holt helping her all he could. Trump did well to fight all this, which effectively limited the damage. Even if Trump looked good to true believers and average sincere people, it shows that Hillary will have such extra help all the way to the election.

    And that last point might be what drove the betting odds in her favor.

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    Agree. Hillary also had the advantage of speaking as an insider. As former Secretary of State she was familiar with the language in which all these issues are cast. This gave the appearance of mastery. I am sick to death of the Clintons and will never vote for one, but yeah, I do believe that Hillary bested Trump. He was often on the defensive.

    For some reason, Trump didn't go for the jugular. He said that we, as a nation, had wasted so much money on foreign wars that we couldn't afford to fix our infrastructure. She responded that if he had paid his income taxes then maybe we could afford to do so. Why didn't he immediately lambast her and Bill's prostituting themselves via their tax-shelter family foundations? And describe how they have been the beneficiary of malign foreign and domestic tax-exempt donations?
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  145. @melendwyr
    I think you all had best think of strategies for the contingencies where Trump doesn't win. Of course that should have been done from the beginning - hope for the best and plan for the worst - but I'm not especially sanguine about his chances right now.

    Get liquid and go to one of the many countries with a better climate. I am not going to contribute my skills to Hillary’s America.

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  146. @Mr. Anon
    "I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they’re prejudiced against Asians."

    Palantir is involved in intelligence gathering for the US government. Perhaps the management doesn't want to hire Chinese, because a significant fraction of likely candidates might be spies, or could eventually be recruited to be spies.

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this - go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?

    There are more laws preventing wholesale theft of government money if the work is done through an actual government agency. By outsourcing such work to the “private sector” they get to loot the public purse, fire American workers, sell secrets to the Chinese, etc. Privatization and outsourcing have rarely, possibly never been about efficiencies. They’re created to facilitate plutocrats stealing from taxpayers, plain and simple.

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  147. @AndrewR
    I agree that Shiu is a rent-seeking parasite who has made a good living out of the diversity racket, but the Chinese have been here a long time. There's a good chance Shiu's Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu's Chinese ancestors did make this more of "your country" than Shiu's?

    One also notes the Orwellian deceit of calling a half-"white" person "non-white", unless you consider the Irish to be "non-white", which you presumably do not.

    There’s a good chance Shiu’s Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu’s Chinese ancestors did make this more of “your country” than Shiu’s?

    You have a point–for some whites. (3/4 of my ancestors were here before Shiu’s Chinese ancestors could possibly have showed up–and i’d bet the German 1\4 was here before them too. But i realize that may not true be for folks who are predominantly Great Wave, depending on when Shiu’s ancestors came.)

    However, he still has a point: America is nice because it is a white nation.

    Specifically a NW European, Anglo-origin nation. It isn’t nice for example because of blacks–who have been here almost as long as anyone. (If the blacks weren’t here it would be a whole lot nicer.) It isn’t nice because of the native Americans. It isn’t nice because of the Mexicans. It isn’t nice because of the Jews–whatever their scientific contributions. And it certainly isn’t nice because of the Asians–most of whom are in fact very recent immigrants despite a small longtime Chinese presence.

    I think this is all pretty obvious. But in this case we have pretty solid proof, in that Canada, Australia and New Zealand are also … all pretty darn nice in a very similar sort of way, despite differing geography, native populations, and follow on slave and immigrant populations.

    This is absolutely not to say that Jews and East Asians can’t create nice societies of their own. They obviously–Israel, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan–can. But they are different. What has made the United States “nice”–prosperous and free–is the Anglo sphere version of the special sauce that characterizes NW European built nations and makes them very very nice.

    So his point stands. If you’re white, you’re aware that “your people”–your race, your culture–are precisely what has made the country pleasant and prosperous. To then get these tedious heckling lectures from non-white origin people who are enjoying this pleasant prosperity created by your people … yes, it’s annoying.

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    America is nice because it is a white nation.

     

    Too nice.

    That's why our women are working so hard to import some not-so-niceness by hook or by crook.
    , @AndrewR
    I don't really disagree, but as Desiderius points out, far too many do.
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  148. Hillary’s heavy handed regulators at it again. I would not be surprised to see them bringing lawsuits at the same time for the company hiring too many Asians and not enough Asians. Certainly for not enough blacks and Hispanics. The only ones that are fair game for overt discrimination are straight white Christian males.

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  149. Thought that immediately, too. But, this legal pursuit will have the unintended consequences of having all the pan-Asian guys and white guys working in SV realize that an existential crisis looms over them: their hopes of having a family – affording it; hanging on to their job/a job, once they are middle-aged.

    Age discrimination is a problem for whites and Asians. By the time they’re pushing 40, most “engineers” will be in some other line of work.

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  150. @AnotherDad

    There’s a good chance Shiu’s Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu’s Chinese ancestors did make this more of “your country” than Shiu’s?
     
    You have a point--for some whites. (3/4 of my ancestors were here before Shiu's Chinese ancestors could possibly have showed up--and i'd bet the German 1\4 was here before them too. But i realize that may not true be for folks who are predominantly Great Wave, depending on when Shiu's ancestors came.)

    However, he still has a point: America is nice because it is a white nation.

    Specifically a NW European, Anglo-origin nation. It isn't nice for example because of blacks--who have been here almost as long as anyone. (If the blacks weren't here it would be a whole lot nicer.) It isn't nice because of the native Americans. It isn't nice because of the Mexicans. It isn't nice because of the Jews--whatever their scientific contributions. And it certainly isn't nice because of the Asians--most of whom are in fact very recent immigrants despite a small longtime Chinese presence.

    I think this is all pretty obvious. But in this case we have pretty solid proof, in that Canada, Australia and New Zealand are also ... all pretty darn nice in a very similar sort of way, despite differing geography, native populations, and follow on slave and immigrant populations.

    This is absolutely not to say that Jews and East Asians can't create nice societies of their own. They obviously--Israel, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan--can. But they are different. What has made the United States "nice"--prosperous and free--is the Anglo sphere version of the special sauce that characterizes NW European built nations and makes them very very nice.

    So his point stands. If you're white, you're aware that "your people"--your race, your culture--are precisely what has made the country pleasant and prosperous. To then get these tedious heckling lectures from non-white origin people who are enjoying this pleasant prosperity created by your people ... yes, it's annoying.

    America is nice because it is a white nation.

    Too nice.

    That’s why our women are working so hard to import some not-so-niceness by hook or by crook.

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  151. It’s very difficult to get a DOD secret clearance if you have close relatives in China, and a top secret clearance would be right out. Will the DOJ sue the DOD?

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  152. @Abe

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs?
     
    Notice that for jobs that really, really cannot fail (apparently Sec. of State and President of the United States are now jobs that merely cannot fail) they are still occupied exclusively by craggy old white dudes- Comey at FBI, Brenner at CIA, Carter at Defense? (BTW, pro tip which my homie AnotherDad will back me up on- the one weird way you can tell who is gay, especially by the time they reach middle age, is whether they have the ebullient, boyishly awake look (gay) or the beaten-down, how can I kill myself and the family still collect the insurance 'cause my wife is a b!tch and my kids are spoiled jerks daily though experiment look (straight).

    But, yeah, those jobs will be in the sights of the diversity headhunters soon enough. As you mention, special operations (Rangers, if not Seals just yet) have been tagged for improving their womyn quotient and it'll soon be 10 years since Gen. Casey said diversity is the most terrible casualty our armed forces could sustain. I can't wait till Congress approves funds for next generation nuclear submarines with lactation stations, halal kitchens and prayer rooms- that'll show those stale pale Ruskies who still cling to dying notions about submarine speed and stealth! Wonder also when the pressure will begin to drop intelligence services' traditional prejudice against people with messy personal lives (affairs, divorces) as it discriminates against gay men and their situational notions of commitment, or to be spiteful go the other way and make national intelligence a lesbian old girls' network, since where else can you find candidates with such impeccably clean personal lives that they're creeping up on their silver wedding anniversaries but haven't had sex with anyone in 20 years!

    “Notice that for jobs that really, really cannot fail (apparently Sec. of State and President of the United States are now jobs that merely cannot fail) they are still occupied exclusively by craggy old white dudes”

    Yep. It was obvious in the picture taken during the Osama bin Laden raid. I recall counting 13 people in the photo, only one of whom – Obama himself – was even partially non-white. This was a collection of the most important national security figures in the administration, and of course there was no diversity.

    Same goes for Obama’s campaign headquarters, which was almost 100% white + Asian. What, you thought Obama was going to put his re-election at risk by insisting on diversity? His re-election is IMPORTANT. It’s far more important than bringing the 101st Airborne safely home.

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  153. @Abe

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs?
     
    Notice that for jobs that really, really cannot fail (apparently Sec. of State and President of the United States are now jobs that merely cannot fail) they are still occupied exclusively by craggy old white dudes- Comey at FBI, Brenner at CIA, Carter at Defense? (BTW, pro tip which my homie AnotherDad will back me up on- the one weird way you can tell who is gay, especially by the time they reach middle age, is whether they have the ebullient, boyishly awake look (gay) or the beaten-down, how can I kill myself and the family still collect the insurance 'cause my wife is a b!tch and my kids are spoiled jerks daily though experiment look (straight).

    But, yeah, those jobs will be in the sights of the diversity headhunters soon enough. As you mention, special operations (Rangers, if not Seals just yet) have been tagged for improving their womyn quotient and it'll soon be 10 years since Gen. Casey said diversity is the most terrible casualty our armed forces could sustain. I can't wait till Congress approves funds for next generation nuclear submarines with lactation stations, halal kitchens and prayer rooms- that'll show those stale pale Ruskies who still cling to dying notions about submarine speed and stealth! Wonder also when the pressure will begin to drop intelligence services' traditional prejudice against people with messy personal lives (affairs, divorces) as it discriminates against gay men and their situational notions of commitment, or to be spiteful go the other way and make national intelligence a lesbian old girls' network, since where else can you find candidates with such impeccably clean personal lives that they're creeping up on their silver wedding anniversaries but haven't had sex with anyone in 20 years!

    (BTW, pro tip which my homie AnotherDad will back me up on- the one weird way you can tell who is gay, especially by the time they reach middle age, is whether they have the ebullient, boyishly awake look (gay) or the beaten-down, how can I kill myself and the family still collect the insurance ’cause my wife is a b!tch and my kids are spoiled jerks daily though experiment look (straight).

    LOL. In fact, best laugh i’ve had in quite a while … until i read Sailer’s reply.

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  154. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian
     
    Talk about burying the lede - for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications - more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn't involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees - $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income - what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) - if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about "the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates" who would lead to the "immiseration of the proletariat" - his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn't true at all - workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn't that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I'll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don't require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout's hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn't be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game - even the leftist gov't doesn't pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn't they have hired some of those?

    Jack D says, “If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn’t that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?”

    Yes and those in the FIRE sector are looking forward to the day America’s population doubles again to seven million souls. Since they only extract rents and add no use value to the economy, their profit model can be based upon nothing other than population growth. That’s it. That’s their plan.

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  155. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.
    “The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in 3.4 million,” the government said in the filing.

    Let's check this arithmetic. Among n = 14+11 = 25 hirees randomly chosen from a pool of qualified applicants 85% of whom are Asian, what is the probability of hiring no more than 11 Asians?

    p = .85 = prb that a qualified applicant is Asian, q = 1-p = .15 = prb that a qualified applicant is non-Asian, P(k) = prb that exactly k of the n hirees are Asian = C(n,k) ways to choose k out of n applicants * p^k prb that these k applicants are Asian * q^(n-k) prb that the other n-k applicants are non-Asian; i.e., P(k) = C(n,k)*p^k*q^(n-k). So the asked-for probability is P(0)+P(1)+P(2)+...+P(11).

    Here is a TI-83/84 programmable calculator routine to compute this probability:

    25 sto N:.85 sto P:1-P sto Q:0 sto S

    For(K,0,11):(N nCr K)*P^K*Q^(N-K)+S sto S:End

    Disp S

    When I run this routine, I get S = 2.493574543E-6, which is approximately 1 in 401,031, not 1 in 3.4 million. Did I do something wrong?

    I had been checking this calculation as well.

    Here’s the odd thing: in some fairly standard programs, one gets different answers depending on how the problem is formulated.

    In Excel, I put in the following formula in a cell:

    =1/(BINOM.DIST(11,25,0.85,1))

    And I get, as you do,

    401030.7223

    On the other hand, if I enter the equivalent formula,

    =1/(1-BINOM.DIST(14,25,0.15,1))

    I get instead:

    3164275.18

    which pretty well agrees with the figure from the article of 3.4M.

    I find that I see the same thing in R, where if I run the line

    >1/pbinom(11, size=25, prob=0.85)

    I get

    [1] 401030.7

    But if I run

    > 1/(1-pbinom(14, size=25, prob=0.15))

    I get:

    [1] 3164275

    I can only assume that in the first cases, the exact binomial distribution is employed, and in the second, the normal approximation is used instead.

    Your code clearly is calculating the exact binomial distribution, and so must be correct — as are the two examples of the first case above.

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    It's not a binomial distribution. Unlike flipping a coin where the chance of getting a head or tail is always a constant (1/2), the probability of getting an Asian out of the same applicant pool will change as more applicants are selected.
    , @candid_observer
    Actually, it occurs to me that I made a mistake in the formulas for the second cases above, and it probably is the same mistake that lies behind the 3.4M figure quoted in the article.

    I had said that the second formulations of the problem were the same as the first. They are not.

    The correct formulas are, respectively for Excel and R:

    =1/(1-BINOM.DIST(13,25,0.15,1))

    1/(1-pbinom(13, size=25, prob=0.15))

    Basically, because the second formula is measuring the probability distribution including, and to the right of, the number of successes in question, the remaining left of that distribution must end at the number of successes minus 1 (i.e., 13, instead of 14).

    These new formulas are equivalent to, and agree with in calculation, the formulas:

    1/(BINOM.DIST(11,25,0.85,1))

    1/pbinom(11, size=25, prob=0.85)

    I speculate that the 3.4M figure came from making the same mistake I made, but with a slightly adjusted probability -- bear in mind that the 15% figure is very likely an approximation, so that they may have used a more exact figure.
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  156. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.
    “The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in 3.4 million,” the government said in the filing.

    Let's check this arithmetic. Among n = 14+11 = 25 hirees randomly chosen from a pool of qualified applicants 85% of whom are Asian, what is the probability of hiring no more than 11 Asians?

    p = .85 = prb that a qualified applicant is Asian, q = 1-p = .15 = prb that a qualified applicant is non-Asian, P(k) = prb that exactly k of the n hirees are Asian = C(n,k) ways to choose k out of n applicants * p^k prb that these k applicants are Asian * q^(n-k) prb that the other n-k applicants are non-Asian; i.e., P(k) = C(n,k)*p^k*q^(n-k). So the asked-for probability is P(0)+P(1)+P(2)+...+P(11).

    Here is a TI-83/84 programmable calculator routine to compute this probability:

    25 sto N:.85 sto P:1-P sto Q:0 sto S

    For(K,0,11):(N nCr K)*P^K*Q^(N-K)+S sto S:End

    Disp S

    When I run this routine, I get S = 2.493574543E-6, which is approximately 1 in 401,031, not 1 in 3.4 million. Did I do something wrong?

    Dunno, does that iteration For(K,0,11) end with 11, or perhaps with 10 (as analogous syntax would work in languages such as C or Python)?

    Or maybe the author didn’t have a TI handy and just used the normal approximation, starting from 1sd = sqrt(npq).

    Regardless, the important question here is what model is appropriate for your data (and specifically, if all those applicants are interchangeable).

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  157. @AnotherDad

    That was because of explicit quotas – caps on the number of Jews allowed entry, no matter how qualified they might be. It is similar to what Malaysia currently does to its Chinese minority.
     
    This is a nonsense point. It was just Jewish striving and whining.

    As i've pointed out repeatedly these were *private* Protestant institutions serving the NE WASPy elite. They are entitled to define their mission as they see fit and even refuse to serve *anyone*--no Jews, none of my Irish Catholic folks, no Asians, heck no downmarket Protestant rednecks (still pretty much the case). They could have filled their student bodies with your Cabots and Lowells, Lodges Eliots, Forbes, Delanos and Coolidges with your occasional Bush thrown in. If that's what they wanted to do. They chose instead to continue to cater to their historic WASP founders, but also take a quota of folks from talented outgroups ... and then those folks whine about it.


    Your claim that the complaint was about explicit quotas "no matter how qualified" is just mathematically\logically a nonsense point. (Yes, the Supreme Court has used it--but then they gave us Griggs v. Duke Power and "disparate impact", math is not what they do.)

    Once you wade into affirmative action at all, you're doing this. You're saying "i'm willing to live with inferiority\superiority in my (normal) selection metric to get the results i want. Making what you're doing fuzzy is irrelevant. Harvard manages to rustle up a 10-12% African American class every year despite no-conceivable academic metric yielding them anything close to that (even after tapping Africa). What actually chaps your hide is simply that the quota was on you--*your people*. That, of course, everyone seems to think is uniquely "unfair".


    Some sort of "affirmative action"--i.e. quotas--seems to come down like rain whenever you have "diversity" and democratic politics (even often non-democratic politics)--see India.

    The best policy is far and away ... do not have diversity!

    But if you have it, then the honesty of a quota--like the Indians--is far better. Then you can have the straight out political fight about the size of the quota for various groups. Which lets you also discuss the cost v. benefits of the quota.

    My take is once you're having affirmative action and quotas, you *should* have quota on the high achieving groups as well--they bear the cost not just the groups in the middle of the pack. Which in the case of the US is in fact the white gentiles entirely responsible for building the nation!

    A quota range, say representation of no less than 1/2 X--where X is your group's share of the population--to no more than 4X, strikes me as very fair. Blacks would get 8%--not their share, but significantly represented. Hispanics maybe a point more. On the other end, Jews would be limited to 8% and Asians to 16%--again perhaps not their shares of the most talented, but the truly talented ones get their due. White gentiles in the middle would be squeezed, but not the squeeze out they get now. You could have under-represented groups--say Scots-Irish rednecks--petition for their own quota to make sure they had representation.

    Diversity sucks. But if you're going to play these games, then best to play them in the daylight with fair rules.

    “But if you’re going to play these games, then best to play them in the daylight with fair rules.”

    Now you’re talking! And you said it well too.

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  158. @Jack D

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian
     
    Talk about burying the lede - for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications - more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn't involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees - $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income - what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) - if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about "the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates" who would lead to the "immiseration of the proletariat" - his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn't true at all - workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn't that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I'll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don't require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout's hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn't be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game - even the leftist gov't doesn't pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn't they have hired some of those?

    Good comment Jack.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income – what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) – if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay.

    To me it’s obvious: Immigration has crapped on working and now middle class life.

    The historic Franklinesque advantage Americans had–plentiful land relative to labor has been tossed away. Americans have been placed into labor competition with a semi-inexhaustible supply of Mexicans\CentralAmericas or Indians or Chinese depending on your occupation. And while the nation is not “cordwood” crowded, it is significantly more crowded than when you and I were pups. And in many of the urban centers–like SillyValley–that have decent paying jobs, you are competing for housing with everyone in the world and the standard post-war detached single family housing–in any sort of decent neighborhood–is ridiculously expensive.

    If i was a CEO, i’d be wanting to move as many operations as i could to … elsewhere. Anywhere in flyover country, that still has some nice amenities but hasn’t yet gotten ridiculously expensive. Anywhere you could recruit staff with the promise of “affordable family formation”. But then i’m not a CEO. For the CEOs “ridiculously expensive” is not a big problem. And even that fleeing “solution” is a treadmill. The “California escape” places of generation back–especially here in Seattle but now even Denver–are getting expensive. Any place that gets some job growth and some scale … will start becoming less and less affordable. There is no escape when the door is open.

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    And while the nation is not “cordwood” crowded, it is significantly more crowded than when you and I were pups.
     
    In 1980 the US Census counted around 226 million people. Today we have around 100 million more. You're right about it being significantly more crowded.
    , @ATX Hipster
    The CEOs of the top SV companies are not looking to hire people who want affordable family formation. They want people who will substitute coworkers for family and put up with open offices and absurd cost of living in exchange for prestige and nerf gun fights.
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  159. @Alice
    No, we have already had national security totally compromised by diversity.

    We have unindicted co conspirators of Al Qaeda and ISIS in the FBI and CIA. We have the Muslim brotherhood as the closest aide to our future president.

    We have had ethnic Chinese whose families are still under the direction control of the PRC in our national labs and IC for decades now.

    And the bulk of the mathematicians in the NSA have strong ties to Israel.

    We've got transgenders in the military, lowering standards for combat to allow women to pass, and we have a ship named for Harvey Milk.

    The ship has already hit the iceberg.

    How do you know that the bulk of the Mathematicians in the NSA have strong ties to Isreal? That sort of information isn’t public.

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    LOL.

    Very good!
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  160. @Lot
    Huge lawsuits about institutions that have a very large share of asians not being even more asian is the thing now, ask Harvard College, the oldest corporation in the United States.


    So, maybe, the reason Palantir gets 85% of its job applications for software engineer from Asians but only hires 44% Asian has something to do with, I don’t know, Chinese espionage?
     
    You got the "asian" wrong in the case of Palantir, whose niche of giant software contracts for large corporations and governments is heavily South Asian.

    The accusations might be all true, Palantir is the biggest company in the sub-niche for projects where you want the programmers to be majority American. Many companies in the same market will give you 100% Indian workforces for your project. That could be OK for a company like Pepsico, they are very international and I think they even have an Indian-American female CEO.

    But for the CIA, or even for the top projects at Wal-Mart, 100% Indian immigrants is too big of a culture clash.

    “But for the CIA, or even for the top projects at Wal-Mart, 100% Indian immigrants is too big of a culture clash.”

    Do you ever experience culture shock/culture clash when going to a heavily Asian area of San Diego? Have you ever been to The San Gabriel Valley or a heavily Asian Bay Area suburb?

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    The most Asian places I've been in the USA was Chinatown and the Sunset in San Francisco and parts of Santa Clara County.

    I think these are all great places. Chinatown is teeming and touristy but still has some charm, but the Sunset and Silicon Valley are all nice places to visit and look nice to live if you can afford it.
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  161. @AnotherDad
    Good comment Jack.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income – what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) – if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay.
     
    To me it's obvious: Immigration has crapped on working and now middle class life.

    The historic Franklinesque advantage Americans had--plentiful land relative to labor has been tossed away. Americans have been placed into labor competition with a semi-inexhaustible supply of Mexicans\CentralAmericas or Indians or Chinese depending on your occupation. And while the nation is not "cordwood" crowded, it is significantly more crowded than when you and I were pups. And in many of the urban centers--like SillyValley--that have decent paying jobs, you are competing for housing with everyone in the world and the standard post-war detached single family housing--in any sort of decent neighborhood--is ridiculously expensive.

    If i was a CEO, i'd be wanting to move as many operations as i could to ... elsewhere. Anywhere in flyover country, that still has some nice amenities but hasn't yet gotten ridiculously expensive. Anywhere you could recruit staff with the promise of "affordable family formation". But then i'm not a CEO. For the CEOs "ridiculously expensive" is not a big problem. And even that fleeing "solution" is a treadmill. The "California escape" places of generation back--especially here in Seattle but now even Denver--are getting expensive. Any place that gets some job growth and some scale ... will start becoming less and less affordable. There is no escape when the door is open.

    And while the nation is not “cordwood” crowded, it is significantly more crowded than when you and I were pups.

    In 1980 the US Census counted around 226 million people. Today we have around 100 million more. You’re right about it being significantly more crowded.

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  162. @Peripatetic commenter
    But they created Ada to fix that problem, so surely it is no longer so.

    But they created Ada to fix that problem, so surely it is no longer so.

    Hahaha! My grandfather worked on the Patriot Missile for a large government defense contractor, my father worked on the Patriot Missile for a large government defense contractor, and thirty years ago I worked on the Patriot Missile, coding in Ada, for a large government defense contractor. My grandmother had been enjoying my grandfather’s pension from the large government defense contractor for forty years!

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  163. OT
    Leading libertarian thinker Charles Murray is now urging a halt to the immigration of lower-skilled workers, because the cutoff of extra labor may persuade employers and political leaders to revive declining communities of lower-skilled Americans.
    “I have had to undergo a great deal of rethinking on all of this this year… [now] I want to shut down low-skill immigration for a while,” Charles Murray told a D.C. event hosted by the Center for Immigration Studies.
    Today in Breitbart ____ https://goo.gl/cfqhx9

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  164. @candid_observer
    What appears to be out of line is not the number of Asians hired by Palantir, but the number of Asians who applied for the job.

    I find these statistics quoted in another article (complaining about women's low numbers instead of Asian low numbers, so they can be honest about the Asian thing.)


    White employees are 61 percent of Google’s workforce while Asians make up 30 percent, blacks 2 percent and Hispanics 3 percent. The majority of leadership roles – 72 percent – are held by whites with Asians holding 23 percent and other minorities claiming less than 6 percent of top spots.

    Four percent of employed software developers in the United States are African American, 5 percent are Hispanic and 29 percent are Asian, according to the [Bureau of Labor Statistics]. Comparatively, 1 percent of the Google’s tech workforce is black, 2 percent is Hispanic and 34 percent is Asian.
     

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/29/most-google-employees-are-white-men-where-are-allthewomen/

    Obviously, 11/25 Asians (=44%) is more than compatible both with Google's numbers and the numbers nationwide for Asian software engineers.

    But how did 85% of the "qualified applicants" to these jobs at Palantir turn out to be Asian? (And does "qualified" mean only technically qualified, or also eligible to get a top secret security clearance?)

    “But how did 85% of the “qualified applicants” to these jobs at Palantir turn out to be Asian?”

    The numbers are so skewed, it’s almost as if Chinese intelligence services would try to flood Palantir with applicants in the hopes of getting a few moles in the door.

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    "Asian" in software is code for Indian. Dollars to donuts most of the "Asian" applicants were Subcontinentals.
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  165. Ah, Steve, this article offers a great example of Doublethink. I’ve been trying to find less controversial examples of Doublethink to explain the concept when I teach 1984. This article might work. Thanks.

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  166. @AnotherDad

    There’s a good chance Shiu’s Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu’s Chinese ancestors did make this more of “your country” than Shiu’s?
     
    You have a point--for some whites. (3/4 of my ancestors were here before Shiu's Chinese ancestors could possibly have showed up--and i'd bet the German 1\4 was here before them too. But i realize that may not true be for folks who are predominantly Great Wave, depending on when Shiu's ancestors came.)

    However, he still has a point: America is nice because it is a white nation.

    Specifically a NW European, Anglo-origin nation. It isn't nice for example because of blacks--who have been here almost as long as anyone. (If the blacks weren't here it would be a whole lot nicer.) It isn't nice because of the native Americans. It isn't nice because of the Mexicans. It isn't nice because of the Jews--whatever their scientific contributions. And it certainly isn't nice because of the Asians--most of whom are in fact very recent immigrants despite a small longtime Chinese presence.

    I think this is all pretty obvious. But in this case we have pretty solid proof, in that Canada, Australia and New Zealand are also ... all pretty darn nice in a very similar sort of way, despite differing geography, native populations, and follow on slave and immigrant populations.

    This is absolutely not to say that Jews and East Asians can't create nice societies of their own. They obviously--Israel, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan--can. But they are different. What has made the United States "nice"--prosperous and free--is the Anglo sphere version of the special sauce that characterizes NW European built nations and makes them very very nice.

    So his point stands. If you're white, you're aware that "your people"--your race, your culture--are precisely what has made the country pleasant and prosperous. To then get these tedious heckling lectures from non-white origin people who are enjoying this pleasant prosperity created by your people ... yes, it's annoying.

    I don’t really disagree, but as Desiderius points out, far too many do.

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  167. @FKA Max
    Insightful read on the topic:

    The Insider Threat, from an Alt-Right Viewpoint
    Carl F. Robinson

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/08/the-insider-threat-from-an-alt-right-viewpoint/

    The White Savior Narrative Influencing American Leadership Policies

    After Major Hasan went on his rampage, the US Army’s Chief of Staff General George Casey stated that “Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.”[16] Under the Civil Rights narrative, American government officials are put into a position where they must be a “white savior” to the non-whites and keep the regular mission going. The “white savior” is a white person who motivates, saves, improves, etc. some group of non-whites. Due to this sub-function of the Civil Rights environment, no Chief of Staff can possibly say that Islamic soldiers punch above their weight in insider threat behavior. To this day, more Americans have been killed by Muslims in the US Army than Muslims have been killed on the American side in combat. Saying so is admitting failure as a “white savior.” For the same reason, no American official can say that employing Chinese in sensitive technical positions is a bad idea.
     

    I suppose Casey’s comment gets to the heart of the real purpose of the US Army now – to diversify the world, clearing the path for Global Consumerization.

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  168. @Jack D

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian
     
    Talk about burying the lede - for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications - more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn't involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees - $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income - what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) - if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about "the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates" who would lead to the "immiseration of the proletariat" - his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn't true at all - workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn't that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I'll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don't require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout's hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn't be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game - even the leftist gov't doesn't pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn't they have hired some of those?

    What you are describing is going on because the Luddites were 200 years premature but they were correct. The three horsemen of the tech progress apocalypse, automation, computerization, robots have permanently devalued labor. It has produced this permanent labor surplus. Of course we make this worse for our remaining high paying private sector jobs by allowing in H1Bs to devalue their wages quicker.
    This is why a gov’t job is a good job. Applies to gov’t contractors too.

    Stupid (traitorous) free trade policies also devalue US labor but Donald Trump can institute all the tariffs he wants on Chinese/Asian manufactures. When this brings some manufacturing back home these plants will only need 30% the workers they used to, due to tech progress.
    And Trump can help free things up in our economy by getting rid of volumes of Federal regulations. Stop crippling businesses and putting up barriers to those who want to go into business.

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  169. @guest
    "Statutory authority?" What, are you in the second grade?

    That being said, maybe there is a law; I don't know. But they don't need one. The CIA is not supposed to be above the law, but practically it is. So is the rest of the executive branch, not to mention the federal government as a whole. They make it up as they go.

    Are you? It means authority deriving from the law. It’s a perfectly normal term. I am not obligated to indulge your ignorance.

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  170. @Lagertha
    Thought that immediately, too. But, this legal pursuit will have the unintended consequences of having all the pan-Asian guys and white guys working in SV realize that an existential crisis looms over them: their hopes of having a family - affording it; hanging on to their job/a job, once they are middle-aged.

    The American People & the future of the USA is at stake. This will galvanize more people, not just the ones who are working in SV to vote for Trump. Why in the world would they not? No one will vote against their economic interests ever again...2008 Wall Street-owned crisis was the last straw. Even the What's the Matter with Kansas people are voting for Trump.

    Remembering Herman's, "the rent is too damn high," together with "Everyday" American's reality (all worker bees) in SV/Pacific Northwest, will instill a sense of dread. So many of the techies still have student loans to pay, and the cleaners, cooks, security personnel, yoga instructors, etc. at these corporations are dependent on the paycheck. Brexit was the first calving of the EU iceberg, after all.

    OT: my wonderful late father often said, "this country has too many lawyers, and, eventually too many frivolous lawsuits, or unwinnable lawsuits, will bankrupt the USA, destroy companies that employ thousands of people who are dependent on their paychecks." No other country in the world has a zest for lawsuits like the US. Was it Shakespeare who said something about offing lawyers? I'm too tired to remember the specific words.

    I expect massive amounts of people to just hide who they will vote for. Upshot: no stupid, wasteful lawn signs to ruin the Halloween decor. As a person concerned with aesthetics, this is quite nice.

    I hope you’re right, if only to see the media hacks heads spinning trying to understand Trump winning SV in a landslide. I don’t think that many of them will actually make the connection.

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    Oh, but my ancestors in the old country fought against all odds several times, and raised 4,000 men to fight the enemy in a last attempt to take back land.

    Young people who are working today 1-15 years out of college need to wake up. If they want to have a comfortable retirement one day, they must understand what is at stake with this election. Hillary, continuing with Obama, will make it harder for men to move on to lives of prosperity and familial happiness....plus there will be increased crime, anarchy in the streets and Jihadi terrorism. Nothing will be secure (your job) and serene (your neighborhood). Wars in the Middle East or Asia will be par for the course. Don't vote for these Grifters! Spread the word, be Paul Revere....assuage others to be Paul Revere...there's just 40 days - sounds so fracking biblical, right?

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  171. @Steve Sailer
    Seems possible.

    From the NYT:

    "Should Palantir keep working with the British government, despite its harsh press laws? The contracts continue. Some employees do not want Palantir aiding Israel, because they disagree with its policies toward Palestinians. There are still contracts with the Israeli government. Palantir has decided not to work with China."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/business/unlocking-secrets-if-not-its-own-value.html

    Judging from Palantir.com's Open Positions page, Palantir operates primarily in the Five Eyes or Anglo-Saxon Powers, the spy alliance that emerged out of the Alan Turing Era, along with northwestern Europe and Israel:

    https://www.palantir.com/careers/

    It's almost as if China, Russia, India, Pakistan, and Iran aren't part of the Team.

    Not working with China is pretty standard policy for government agencies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_exclusion_policy_of_NASA

    Also the Obama administration has been pushing hard for the TPP, the whole point of which is to exclude China.

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  172. @Wilkey
    "You know, this needs more play. Diversity silliness is actually starting to affect*national security*."

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs? The fact that Obama has now promoted as many (or more) blacks to the rank of four star general than all previous presidents combined?

    At the last count (and this was probably a year ago) there were 8 blacks appointed to four star by presidents before Obama, and Obama alone had appointed 8. At that time 18% of currently serving four stars were black. That despite the fact that blacks are only 13% of the US population and a far smaller share of the officer corps.

    “At the last count (and this was probably a year ago) there were 8 blacks appointed to four star by presidents before Obama, and Obama alone had appointed 8.”

    How many 4 star generals were there during all of WWII? Has there been some kind of rank inflation in the US military? Perhaps someone who has been / is in the military could answer this.

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  173. My 2 cents.

    They probably discriminate.

    But in favor of people with military service in their background.

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  174. @Jack D

    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian
     
    Talk about burying the lede - for 25 skilled job openings they received over 1,000 applications - more than 40 applicants for each job. For jobs in Silicon Valley, where no matter how much a programmer makes, he can expect to spend most of it on astronomical rents (forget about actually owing a house) or be crammed into some kind of miserable overcrowded situation. To live a normal American middle class life with a 3 bedroom house and a yard for your kids that doesn't involve a 2 hour commute, you need to make millions. Whatever they are paying these employees - $150K, 200K or more, is not nearly enough given what the local housing costs are.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income - what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) - if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay. If our economy was really healthy there would never be that kind of disparity between the # of applicants and the number of positions available. That gives employers crazy bargaining power to underpay you and exploit you. Marx used to talk about "the reserve army of the unemployed at the factory gates" who would lead to the "immiseration of the proletariat" - his idea was that there would always be so many more workers than jobs that wages would be driven down, down, down. During the post-WWII boom, that wasn't true at all - workers were in short supply and companies competed with better wage and benefit packages to lure them. But now, Marx is being proved right again. If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn't that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Maybe some of the 40 already had lower paying jobs in software but I'll bet a bunch of them were underemployed somewhere outside their field. Something like half of college grads are working in jobs that don't require a degree. You have a cascade effect. Rather than college grads being completely unemployed, you have college grads taking blue collar jobs, blue collar workers taking menial jobs, people who used to have menial jobs staying home and living on welfare and in the illegal economy. So 40 underemployed software engineer applicants ultimately mean that somewhere there are 40 yout's hanging around on street corners and shooting at each other.

    And out of that 85% Asia applicant group, how many were immigrants? If these folks were back home in Bangalore, maybe the competition for Americans wouldn't be so rough? But maybe Palantir really LIKES it that they can get 40 people for each opening?

    Another buried lede is that NAMs were not even in the game - even the leftist gov't doesn't pretend that they could have hired blacks or Hispanics. What about all the black software geniuses you see in the movies? Couldn't they have hired some of those?

    If a full grown man with a college degree and a valuable skill is being forced to share a 2 br apt. with 5 other people, isn’t that in effect immiseration by historic American standards?

    Five other people isn’t that bad, if you read this article.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/09/17/hacker-house-blues-my-life-with-12-programmers-2-rooms-and-one-21st-century-dream/

    These are worker camps for the new gold rush—a gold rush that appears, by now, to have lasted for half a generation. In ten or twenty years in America, there will be a seriously embittered cohort of aging high IQ computer science grads.

    Obviously, not everyone is going to be able to grab the IPO gold ring or get lucrative options early enough in the cycle—most will not. The youthful, free market, dog-eat-dog machismo of Silicon Valley culture will have proven to be insufficient for them to provide for old age, let alone to become wealthy.

    Immiserisation indeed.

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  175. @AnotherDad
    Good comment Jack.

    Fundamentally, our economy really really sucks. No wonder there is no growth in wages (especially if you look at discretionary income – what is actually left after you pay for taxes, housing, health care, etc.) – if you can get 40 people to fill each job, there is no pressure to offer increased pay.
     
    To me it's obvious: Immigration has crapped on working and now middle class life.

    The historic Franklinesque advantage Americans had--plentiful land relative to labor has been tossed away. Americans have been placed into labor competition with a semi-inexhaustible supply of Mexicans\CentralAmericas or Indians or Chinese depending on your occupation. And while the nation is not "cordwood" crowded, it is significantly more crowded than when you and I were pups. And in many of the urban centers--like SillyValley--that have decent paying jobs, you are competing for housing with everyone in the world and the standard post-war detached single family housing--in any sort of decent neighborhood--is ridiculously expensive.

    If i was a CEO, i'd be wanting to move as many operations as i could to ... elsewhere. Anywhere in flyover country, that still has some nice amenities but hasn't yet gotten ridiculously expensive. Anywhere you could recruit staff with the promise of "affordable family formation". But then i'm not a CEO. For the CEOs "ridiculously expensive" is not a big problem. And even that fleeing "solution" is a treadmill. The "California escape" places of generation back--especially here in Seattle but now even Denver--are getting expensive. Any place that gets some job growth and some scale ... will start becoming less and less affordable. There is no escape when the door is open.

    The CEOs of the top SV companies are not looking to hire people who want affordable family formation. They want people who will substitute coworkers for family and put up with open offices and absurd cost of living in exchange for prestige and nerf gun fights.

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    They want people who will substitute coworkers for family
     
    Exactly. At my company, we celebrate trivial software milestones with stupid "team outings". If you don't need me to work that day, just give me the damn day off!
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  176. @Steve Sailer
    "But how did 85% of the “qualified applicants” to these jobs at Palantir turn out to be Asian?"

    The numbers are so skewed, it's almost as if Chinese intelligence services would try to flood Palantir with applicants in the hopes of getting a few moles in the door.

    “Asian” in software is code for Indian. Dollars to donuts most of the “Asian” applicants were Subcontinentals.

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  177. @AnotherDad

    It wasn’t the 14th Amendment (being pro-slavery is pretty extreme even for an alt-righter).
     
    Huh? Jack i thought you were a lawyer or legal knowledgeable or something? (My age addled brain gets confused.)

    The 14th amendment isn't about slavery. The 13th finished that off. And in line with Anti-Gnostic's argument, i hear its Equal Protection clause being trotted out all the time by the left when they want to rip up some tradition or legislate via judges.

    Here's Section 1--the part that gets trotted out:

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
     
    Clearly the equal protection clause was there simply to insure that blacks\ex-slaves had the same rights and protections under civil and criminal law. But indeed it has been stretched repeatedly by the left, to anti-democratically strip majorities from making normal distinctions--age, sex, marital status, criminal background, etc. etc.--in law. Who knew for instance that the states approving this amendment were requiring gay marriage?

    I agree with you that the New Deal era was a significant break in our constitutional tradition with the idea Congress should decide everything. Honestly it had a great deal to do with the War and the Cold War in legitimizing an all powerful federal government. But the Civil War was a huge break as well. And in this post-War identity-politics era the 14th amendment has been a significant tool of the left.

    13, 14 and 15 were all enacted together. 14 is directed at former slaves – the “persons” and “citizens” they keep talking about are implicitly the ex-slaves who were just freed in 13.

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  178. @Abe

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs?
     
    Notice that for jobs that really, really cannot fail (apparently Sec. of State and President of the United States are now jobs that merely cannot fail) they are still occupied exclusively by craggy old white dudes- Comey at FBI, Brenner at CIA, Carter at Defense? (BTW, pro tip which my homie AnotherDad will back me up on- the one weird way you can tell who is gay, especially by the time they reach middle age, is whether they have the ebullient, boyishly awake look (gay) or the beaten-down, how can I kill myself and the family still collect the insurance 'cause my wife is a b!tch and my kids are spoiled jerks daily though experiment look (straight).

    But, yeah, those jobs will be in the sights of the diversity headhunters soon enough. As you mention, special operations (Rangers, if not Seals just yet) have been tagged for improving their womyn quotient and it'll soon be 10 years since Gen. Casey said diversity is the most terrible casualty our armed forces could sustain. I can't wait till Congress approves funds for next generation nuclear submarines with lactation stations, halal kitchens and prayer rooms- that'll show those stale pale Ruskies who still cling to dying notions about submarine speed and stealth! Wonder also when the pressure will begin to drop intelligence services' traditional prejudice against people with messy personal lives (affairs, divorces) as it discriminates against gay men and their situational notions of commitment, or to be spiteful go the other way and make national intelligence a lesbian old girls' network, since where else can you find candidates with such impeccably clean personal lives that they're creeping up on their silver wedding anniversaries but haven't had sex with anyone in 20 years!

    A devastating comment. “lactation stations…” Hah!

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  179. @Steve Sailer
    It's kind of like Google's Chief Diversity Scold, Laszlo Bock, looks like a U-Boat Kapitan:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/09/25/business/25state-web1/25state-web1-master675.jpg

    Sometimes they're not even trying ...

    Herr Kapitan must doing some kind of real work too important to trust to the usual affirmative action cases. No doubt this work is value destroying and bad for society – but it’s real.

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  180. @AnotherDad

    That was because of explicit quotas – caps on the number of Jews allowed entry, no matter how qualified they might be. It is similar to what Malaysia currently does to its Chinese minority.
     
    This is a nonsense point. It was just Jewish striving and whining.

    As i've pointed out repeatedly these were *private* Protestant institutions serving the NE WASPy elite. They are entitled to define their mission as they see fit and even refuse to serve *anyone*--no Jews, none of my Irish Catholic folks, no Asians, heck no downmarket Protestant rednecks (still pretty much the case). They could have filled their student bodies with your Cabots and Lowells, Lodges Eliots, Forbes, Delanos and Coolidges with your occasional Bush thrown in. If that's what they wanted to do. They chose instead to continue to cater to their historic WASP founders, but also take a quota of folks from talented outgroups ... and then those folks whine about it.


    Your claim that the complaint was about explicit quotas "no matter how qualified" is just mathematically\logically a nonsense point. (Yes, the Supreme Court has used it--but then they gave us Griggs v. Duke Power and "disparate impact", math is not what they do.)

    Once you wade into affirmative action at all, you're doing this. You're saying "i'm willing to live with inferiority\superiority in my (normal) selection metric to get the results i want. Making what you're doing fuzzy is irrelevant. Harvard manages to rustle up a 10-12% African American class every year despite no-conceivable academic metric yielding them anything close to that (even after tapping Africa). What actually chaps your hide is simply that the quota was on you--*your people*. That, of course, everyone seems to think is uniquely "unfair".


    Some sort of "affirmative action"--i.e. quotas--seems to come down like rain whenever you have "diversity" and democratic politics (even often non-democratic politics)--see India.

    The best policy is far and away ... do not have diversity!

    But if you have it, then the honesty of a quota--like the Indians--is far better. Then you can have the straight out political fight about the size of the quota for various groups. Which lets you also discuss the cost v. benefits of the quota.

    My take is once you're having affirmative action and quotas, you *should* have quota on the high achieving groups as well--they bear the cost not just the groups in the middle of the pack. Which in the case of the US is in fact the white gentiles entirely responsible for building the nation!

    A quota range, say representation of no less than 1/2 X--where X is your group's share of the population--to no more than 4X, strikes me as very fair. Blacks would get 8%--not their share, but significantly represented. Hispanics maybe a point more. On the other end, Jews would be limited to 8% and Asians to 16%--again perhaps not their shares of the most talented, but the truly talented ones get their due. White gentiles in the middle would be squeezed, but not the squeeze out they get now. You could have under-represented groups--say Scots-Irish rednecks--petition for their own quota to make sure they had representation.

    Diversity sucks. But if you're going to play these games, then best to play them in the daylight with fair rules.

    As i’ve pointed out repeatedly these were *private* Protestant institutions serving the NE WASPy elite. They are entitled to define their mission as they see fit and even refuse to serve *anyone*

    “Entitled” how? In your estimation, yes. According to law, no. Certainly not after 1964, but even in 1924 this was a dicey position politically in the Northeast US if perhaps not yet legally. As I have explained before, even in the 20s they didn’t have the cojones to come out and say that this is what they were doing and hid behind “regional diversity”.

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  181. The suit cited several instances of bias. For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.

    “The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in 3.4 million,” the government said in the filing.

    Non-Blacks are 87% of the american population, but only make up around 33% of the NBA.
    The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately HIGHER than one in 3.4 million.

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    At most the NBA is 20% non-black. Black Americans make up over 70% of the players and roughly half of the international players are black/African descent.
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  182. @Abe

    What tipped you off? The Obama Administration allowing women to become Navy SEALs?
     
    Notice that for jobs that really, really cannot fail (apparently Sec. of State and President of the United States are now jobs that merely cannot fail) they are still occupied exclusively by craggy old white dudes- Comey at FBI, Brenner at CIA, Carter at Defense? (BTW, pro tip which my homie AnotherDad will back me up on- the one weird way you can tell who is gay, especially by the time they reach middle age, is whether they have the ebullient, boyishly awake look (gay) or the beaten-down, how can I kill myself and the family still collect the insurance 'cause my wife is a b!tch and my kids are spoiled jerks daily though experiment look (straight).

    But, yeah, those jobs will be in the sights of the diversity headhunters soon enough. As you mention, special operations (Rangers, if not Seals just yet) have been tagged for improving their womyn quotient and it'll soon be 10 years since Gen. Casey said diversity is the most terrible casualty our armed forces could sustain. I can't wait till Congress approves funds for next generation nuclear submarines with lactation stations, halal kitchens and prayer rooms- that'll show those stale pale Ruskies who still cling to dying notions about submarine speed and stealth! Wonder also when the pressure will begin to drop intelligence services' traditional prejudice against people with messy personal lives (affairs, divorces) as it discriminates against gay men and their situational notions of commitment, or to be spiteful go the other way and make national intelligence a lesbian old girls' network, since where else can you find candidates with such impeccably clean personal lives that they're creeping up on their silver wedding anniversaries but haven't had sex with anyone in 20 years!

    You have a lot of good material there for an alt-right comedy channel.

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    Look what happened to Million Dollar Extreme. I'd be more concerned with figuring out what to do when Youtube cracks down and you can't promote yourself to anyone outside your small circle. They are owned by Google, after all.
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  183. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @artichoke
    Hillary had all the support, possibly knowing the questions, possibly earpiece, definitely Holt helping her all he could. Trump did well to fight all this, which effectively limited the damage. Even if Trump looked good to true believers and average sincere people, it shows that Hillary will have such extra help all the way to the election.

    And that last point might be what drove the betting odds in her favor.

    Agree. Hillary also had the advantage of speaking as an insider. As former Secretary of State she was familiar with the language in which all these issues are cast. This gave the appearance of mastery. I am sick to death of the Clintons and will never vote for one, but yeah, I do believe that Hillary bested Trump. He was often on the defensive.

    For some reason, Trump didn’t go for the jugular. He said that we, as a nation, had wasted so much money on foreign wars that we couldn’t afford to fix our infrastructure. She responded that if he had paid his income taxes then maybe we could afford to do so. Why didn’t he immediately lambast her and Bill’s prostituting themselves via their tax-shelter family foundations? And describe how they have been the beneficiary of malign foreign and domestic tax-exempt donations?

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  184. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.
    “The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in 3.4 million,” the government said in the filing.

    Let's check this arithmetic. Among n = 14+11 = 25 hirees randomly chosen from a pool of qualified applicants 85% of whom are Asian, what is the probability of hiring no more than 11 Asians?

    p = .85 = prb that a qualified applicant is Asian, q = 1-p = .15 = prb that a qualified applicant is non-Asian, P(k) = prb that exactly k of the n hirees are Asian = C(n,k) ways to choose k out of n applicants * p^k prb that these k applicants are Asian * q^(n-k) prb that the other n-k applicants are non-Asian; i.e., P(k) = C(n,k)*p^k*q^(n-k). So the asked-for probability is P(0)+P(1)+P(2)+...+P(11).

    Here is a TI-83/84 programmable calculator routine to compute this probability:

    25 sto N:.85 sto P:1-P sto Q:0 sto S

    For(K,0,11):(N nCr K)*P^K*Q^(N-K)+S sto S:End

    Disp S

    When I run this routine, I get S = 2.493574543E-6, which is approximately 1 in 401,031, not 1 in 3.4 million. Did I do something wrong?

    The probability of hiring an Asians is not always 0.85 when you hire more than 1 person. For example, suppose you have 2 oranges and 1 apple. If you select 1 fruit out of the 3 fruits, the probability of getting an orange will be 2/3. However, the probability of continuing getting another orange after you already have an orange will be 1/2, instead of 2/3.

    “Among n = 14+11 = 25 hirees randomly chosen from a pool of qualified applicants 85% of whom are Asian, what is the probability of hiring no more than 11 Asians?”

    Therefore, the number of Asians is 1160*0.85= 986, non-Asians is 1160*0.15= 174. The probability of Asian<= 11 when there're 25 hirees is P(n<=11)= SUM[C(981, n)*C(174, 25-n)/C(1160, 25)].

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    "Therefore, the number of Asians is 1160*0.85= 986, non-Asians is 1160*0.15= 174. The probability of Asian<= 11 when there're 25 hirees is P(n<=11)= SUM[C(981, n)*C(174, 25-n)/C(1160, 25)]."

    Yes, I get your point about random selection with versus without replacement. When I redo the calculation with what you suggest (taking 981 to be a mistyping of 986), the probability of hiring 11 or fewer Asians comes to 1.770017089E-6 = 1 in 564,966, which is still much different from 1 in 3.4 million. So the mystery remains.
    , @ben tillman
    But that doesn't affect the expected result. Whether you hire 25 people at a time or 25 people one at a time, you're still pulling from the same pool.
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  185. Could this be a way to funnel $$$ to favored groups? Prominent government contractor is sued for some reason, but is told that the money for the payout will come from the padding in future contracts.

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  186. @frizzled
    National security being threatened by hiring people with obvious ethnic loyalties to a different nation is nothing new - in fact, it's one of the oldest arguments for discrimination. Jonathan Pollard and the Rosenbergs are the American prototypes, but of course l'affaire Dreyfus is the most famous.

    You do know (unlike Pollard and the Rosenbergs) Dreyfus was actually innocent, right?

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    Yes, Frizzled knows, that's what makes his comment humorous, or something.
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  187. @SFG
    You do know (unlike Pollard and the Rosenbergs) Dreyfus was actually innocent, right?

    Yes, Frizzled knows, that’s what makes his comment humorous, or something.

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  188. @Clyde
    You have a lot of good material there for an alt-right comedy channel.

    Look what happened to Million Dollar Extreme. I’d be more concerned with figuring out what to do when Youtube cracks down and you can’t promote yourself to anyone outside your small circle. They are owned by Google, after all.

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  189. @TalkDoc
    Suppose you've got a coin weighted 85/15 in favor of heads. You flip it 25 times and get 11 heads. That is what happened at Palantir with "heads" = "Asian". The chances of that happening by chance are roughly .000002, or two in a million. So it is a tad more than what the story says: "one in 3.4 million." And yes ... I am Asian.

    If we must be so terribly aspie in our approach to this issue, we should acknowledge that the cumulative probability of getting anything less than 85% Asian hires, like 21 out of 25, is of course something closer to only 50%. Chance alone is obviously racist. And no, I am not Asian.

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  190. This shows how profound ” disparate outcome” jurisprudence really is . Taken to its logical extreme(as it will be), virtually every group, association, company, etc is guilty. It is unnatural.
    It is revolutionary.

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    This shows how profound ” disparate outcome” jurisprudence really is . Taken to its logical extreme(as it will be), virtually every group, association, company, etc is guilty. It is unnatural.
    It is revolutionary.
     
    Well, they're certainly heightening the contradictions, just not the ones you'd think they'd want to.
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  191. @The Anti-Gnostic

    By the way, why does the CIA have its own venture capital firm? Can other agencies do this – go into business for themselves? Could the Department of Agriculture open up a chain of burger joints? Could the Department of the Interior open up a bunch of strip clubs and sex-toy stores?
     
    I'm confident the men who wrote the Constitution would say this is ultra vires, like having the unconstitutional Fed engage in an unconstitutional bailout of private companies. Or ceding war powers to the Executive. Or Departments of Education, Energy, Interior, HHS, HUD. It's a long list.

    That's why I don't take "Constitutional conservatives" seriously. The original Constitutional scheme was destroyed by the 14th and subsequent amendments, and the document means what those in power say it means regardless.

    the document means what those in power say it means regardless.

    Your insouciance is disappointing. To abandon the last vestige of the rule by law so cavalierly is both foolish and shortsighted.

    Just as the Soviet Union presented their arbitrary and capricious abuse of their citizens as conformance to their laws, all of the Democrats/SJW/Societal sociopaths that rule us insist that it is “Constitutional”. If you kick out the last leg of the stool holding up our polity what will replace it?

    Your perspective, should it be embraced, will make matters worse.

    Form does not ensure substance, but remove the form and kiss goodbye to restoring the substance.

    We need the substance. The alternative is a Hobbesian state of nature.

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    We need the substance. The alternative is a Hobbesian state of nature.

     

    Then you need substantive thinkers (mean 100 IQ) who share a consensus on legal norms. Diverse societies are not governable by non-arbitrary means.
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  192. @ATX Hipster
    I hope you're right, if only to see the media hacks heads spinning trying to understand Trump winning SV in a landslide. I don't think that many of them will actually make the connection.

    Oh, but my ancestors in the old country fought against all odds several times, and raised 4,000 men to fight the enemy in a last attempt to take back land.

    Young people who are working today 1-15 years out of college need to wake up. If they want to have a comfortable retirement one day, they must understand what is at stake with this election. Hillary, continuing with Obama, will make it harder for men to move on to lives of prosperity and familial happiness….plus there will be increased crime, anarchy in the streets and Jihadi terrorism. Nothing will be secure (your job) and serene (your neighborhood). Wars in the Middle East or Asia will be par for the course. Don’t vote for these Grifters! Spread the word, be Paul Revere….assuage others to be Paul Revere…there’s just 40 days – sounds so fracking biblical, right?

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  193. @Seran

    The suit cited several instances of bias. For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.

    “The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in 3.4 million,” the government said in the filing.
     
    Non-Blacks are 87% of the american population, but only make up around 33% of the NBA.
    The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately HIGHER than one in 3.4 million.

    At most the NBA is 20% non-black. Black Americans make up over 70% of the players and roughly half of the international players are black/African descent.

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    There is an NBA player named Giannis Antetokounmpo who the commentators refer to as The Greek Freak, even though he looks about as Greek as Barack Hussein Obama's sons.

    If Greek actor John Stamos had a son he would not look like Giannis Antetokounmpo.
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  194. @ATX Hipster
    The CEOs of the top SV companies are not looking to hire people who want affordable family formation. They want people who will substitute coworkers for family and put up with open offices and absurd cost of living in exchange for prestige and nerf gun fights.

    They want people who will substitute coworkers for family

    Exactly. At my company, we celebrate trivial software milestones with stupid “team outings”. If you don’t need me to work that day, just give me the damn day off!

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  195. @pepperinmono
    This shows how profound " disparate outcome" jurisprudence really is . Taken to its logical extreme(as it will be), virtually every group, association, company, etc is guilty. It is unnatural.
    It is revolutionary.

    This shows how profound ” disparate outcome” jurisprudence really is . Taken to its logical extreme(as it will be), virtually every group, association, company, etc is guilty. It is unnatural.
    It is revolutionary.

    Well, they’re certainly heightening the contradictions, just not the ones you’d think they’d want to.

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    Power only exists if it is used.
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  196. @DPG
    The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart. I would find it strange that they would be irrationally ignoring talent because they're prejudiced against Asians.

    My guess would be that palantir tackles novel, intricate problems and Asians tend to live up to the stereotype of being grinders. They'll blow away a white kid when they face a problem that they've already been taught to master. But if the task requires orthogonal thinking, I'll take the neck bearded white guy.

    The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart.

    Not to get nitpickingly literal, but surely you say that in a broad manner of speaking?

    Three standard deviations above the IQ mean is an IQ of about 155 or more. Four standard deviations implies an IQ of about 180 or more.

    The truth is that even the brainiest reaches of academia, such as the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ or the Harvard Fellows program wouldn’t meet that definition of next-level smart across the board—let alone a place like Palantir.

    There’s a lot of this kind of self-congratulatory hyperbole not just in Silicon Valley but also in the intelligence services.

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    The truth is that even the brainiest reaches of academia, such as the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ or the Harvard Fellows program wouldn’t meet that definition of next-level smart across the board—let alone a place like Palantir.
     
    My understanding is that IAS is in fact one of the few places that would qualify, at least it was when I could go there for walks. Peaceful place.

    Agreed on the unlikelihood of Palantir being quite that level.
    , @res

    Three standard deviations above the IQ mean is an IQ of about 155 or more. Four standard deviations implies an IQ of about 180 or more.
     
    IQ is usually quoted with an SD of 15. Therefore 3 and 4 SD correspond to 145 and 160 respectively (about one in 1,000 and 10,000 people). Speaking as someone in that range (the lower side), Silicon Valley is a decent place to look for people like that (in engineering, math, and science heavy professions), and based on what I have seen of Palantir's recruiting they are probably significantly better than average (IMHO). Do I think most people at Palantir are like that? No. Do I find DPG's assertion of "The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart" believable? If DPG is smart and knows STEM types as I assume, Yes (note "tend to" rather than "all"). And to respond to your strawman, I would be surprised if anywhere is like that across the board (especially with affirmative action these days), but I wouldn't bet against your examples being more than three quarters at or above that level (maybe half would be safer, I'm not sure how much AA has taken hold in those places and what the field breakdowns are).

    But I do definitely agree with your closing: "There’s a lot of this kind of self-congratulatory hyperbole not just in Silicon Valley but also in the intelligence services."

    Anyone who is seriously interested in what levels of IQ you see in top tier scientists should check out Anne Roe's The Making of a Scientist

    P.S. It would be worth hearing Ron Unz's take on the plausibility of DPG's comment since he is in Palo Alto (same as Palantir) and even smarter than the range we are discussing IMHO.
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  197. @eah
    Or maybe it's just an egregious abuse of power and taxpayer money by a despicable administration and its hack political appointees?

    Shiu is part of the Minority Occupation Government (and an ugly part at that).

    Nothing galls me more than these useless non-white rent-seeking parasites who now serve as diversity enforcement goons and overlords -- they are paid by money coerced from Whites and then turn around and tell us, in various way, what shitty racists we are. In our own country. Or what used to be our own country.

    Minority Occupation Government

    While I share your indignation about rent-seeking parasites, non-white or not, let’s get a little perspective.

    Blacks leverage their small percentage of the electorate well because they block-vote. But they hardly run any serious decision-making part of the government even with a half-black president in charge.

    Hispanics and Asians are too diverse and don’t vote in large enough numbers to matter much politically. Although that may change in the future, the change as such is slower in coming than expected and, in any case, whites still dominate most institutions of power and influence.

    Your framing of “minority occupation government” vs. oppressed majority whites is therefore highly inaccurate and misleading. The real battle is between “Goodwhites” and “Badwhites,” with the blacks siding with the former, and the rest (Hispanics and Asians) serving as invisible pawns at best.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that Hispanics and Asians do not matter – merely that their influence or any alleged roles in “minority occupation government” is highly exaggerated at best.

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    Your framing of “minority occupation government”..........
     
    The US Department of Justice is definitely a minority occupied Federal agency. Yes or no? Just look what they have been up to and who has been running the show.
    How about the US Dept of Education?
    How about the US Dept of Housing and Urban Development?
    How about the US Dept Labor?
    They all are minority occupied arms of the USG. They hire minorities and disperse taxpayers money to minorities.
    , @ben tillman

    Blacks leverage their small percentage of the electorate well because they block-vote.
     
    No, their leverage comes from the fact that they are the prop on which the edifice of anti-whitism is constructed. Black dysfunction is the fault of whites; therefore the white race is a moral outlaw with no rights whatsoever.
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  198. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Madatory outsourcing news:

    “University of California’s ties with HCL are complicated: UC San Diego says its chancellor, who is on the board of directors of an HCL unit, was not involved in UC San Francisco’s vendor negotiations”, Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Sep 26, 2016:

    “The offshore outsourcing planned at the University of California’s San Francisco (UCSF) campus is following a standard playbook. The affected employees expect to train their replacements as a condition of severance. Their jobs will soon be in India and they’ll be out of work. …

    …Khosla is an independent and non-executive director on the HCL Infosystems board of directors….

    …the chancellor of the University of California, San Diego (UCSD), Pradeep K. Khosla, may still be getting compensated by HCL Infosystems. It is one of the units of India-based HCL, the IT services contractor hired by the university. …

    …But the IT services contract with HCL negotiated by UCSF can be used at any of the 10 campuses in the 190,000-employee University of California system, said UCSF CIO Joe Bengfort…

    …The affected IT employees in San Francisco, who have spoken to Computerworld on the condition of anonymity, believe that the shifting of their jobs to India may be the start of a system-wide effort to move these public, partially taxpayer-supported jobs, overseas. They have reason to believe this is true.

    The HCL contract was discussed in August by the university’s system-wide Architecture Committee, according to notes from the meeting. …

    …The “HCL agreement is UC-wide,” according to the committee’s meeting notes…

    …Affected university IT employees have launched a petition drive to try to get the university to stop its outsourcing.”

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  199. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Do you remember when it was Silicon Valley?

    “H-1B bill advances in House — as does anxiety about it: The House Judiciary Committee is set to vote on $100,000 wage minimum for H-1B-dependent firms”, Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Sep 13, 2016:

    “…Technically, H-1B “dependent” firms — those employing 15% or more visa workers — are prohibited from displacing U.S. employees. They are also required to make a “good faith” effort to hire a U.S. worker before taking on a visa worker. But these U.S. worker protections were also made toothless by law. …

    …For instance, the University of California at San Francisco is planning a lay off some 80 workers. It has hired India-based HCL, an H-1B-dependent firm, which may bring in H-1B workers, similar to what happened at Disney. …

    …Employers, say critics, will hire H-1B workers because they are relatively inexpensive, young and indentured labor, and a rise in the visa cap will be to the disadvantage of older and higher-paid tech workers. The visa is applied for by the employer, and the loss of a job can mean deportation. …

    …John Miano, a computer programmer who became an attorney and co-author of the recent book on the visa, Sold Out, says the Issa bill still includes…

    …The law is a tangle, said Miano. “It would be simple to replace this tangle with a single sentence that bans replacing Americans with H-1B workers,” …”

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  200. @Jack Hanson
    Lot still mad Cruz got rolled by the Trump Train. News at 11.

    Lot still mad Cruz got rolled by the Trump Train.

    You’re mistaking me for someone else, I’ve always been on the Trump Train.

    Cruz was the best of the dozen establishment candidates, but he was still awful.

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  201. @PiltdownMan

    The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart.
     
    Not to get nitpickingly literal, but surely you say that in a broad manner of speaking?

    Three standard deviations above the IQ mean is an IQ of about 155 or more. Four standard deviations implies an IQ of about 180 or more.

    The truth is that even the brainiest reaches of academia, such as the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ or the Harvard Fellows program wouldn't meet that definition of next-level smart across the board—let alone a place like Palantir.

    There's a lot of this kind of self-congratulatory hyperbole not just in Silicon Valley but also in the intelligence services.

    The truth is that even the brainiest reaches of academia, such as the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ or the Harvard Fellows program wouldn’t meet that definition of next-level smart across the board—let alone a place like Palantir.

    My understanding is that IAS is in fact one of the few places that would qualify, at least it was when I could go there for walks. Peaceful place.

    Agreed on the unlikelihood of Palantir being quite that level.

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    My understanding is that IAS is in fact one of the few places that would qualify, at least it was when I could go there for walks. Peaceful place.

    Agreed on the unlikelihood of Palantir being quite that level.
     
    Thanks for the perspective. So you would agree with IAS being like that across the board? (I'm trying to calibrate my understanding) Do you find the assertions in my previous comment believable? (I agree Palantir is probably not at the level of IAS, and to be clear I am asking about my organizational assertions, not what I said about Ron and myself)
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  202. @Desiderius

    This shows how profound ” disparate outcome” jurisprudence really is . Taken to its logical extreme(as it will be), virtually every group, association, company, etc is guilty. It is unnatural.
    It is revolutionary.
     
    Well, they're certainly heightening the contradictions, just not the ones you'd think they'd want to.

    Power only exists if it is used.

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  203. @AndrewR
    I agree that Shiu is a rent-seeking parasite who has made a good living out of the diversity racket, but the Chinese have been here a long time. There's a good chance Shiu's Chinese ancestors have been here longer than yours. Or does the fact that your ancestors looked more like many of the people who were already here when your ancestors immigrated than Shiu's Chinese ancestors did make this more of "your country" than Shiu's?

    One also notes the Orwellian deceit of calling a half-"white" person "non-white", unless you consider the Irish to be "non-white", which you presumably do not.

    calling a half-”white” person “non-white”

    OK, she’s an ethnic then — do you like that better? — does she identify as white, or as ethnic? — btw, do you think her ethnic or her white half is the reason — or one of the main reasons — she got the job?

    the Orwellian deceit

    We seem to have different understandings of the words “Orwellian” and “deceit”.

    And thanks for not disputing that she’s ugly.

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  204. @Jefferson
    "But for the CIA, or even for the top projects at Wal-Mart, 100% Indian immigrants is too big of a culture clash."

    Do you ever experience culture shock/culture clash when going to a heavily Asian area of San Diego? Have you ever been to The San Gabriel Valley or a heavily Asian Bay Area suburb?

    The most Asian places I’ve been in the USA was Chinatown and the Sunset in San Francisco and parts of Santa Clara County.

    I think these are all great places. Chinatown is teeming and touristy but still has some charm, but the Sunset and Silicon Valley are all nice places to visit and look nice to live if you can afford it.

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  205. @Winston
    The probability of hiring an Asians is not always 0.85 when you hire more than 1 person. For example, suppose you have 2 oranges and 1 apple. If you select 1 fruit out of the 3 fruits, the probability of getting an orange will be 2/3. However, the probability of continuing getting another orange after you already have an orange will be 1/2, instead of 2/3.

    "Among n = 14+11 = 25 hirees randomly chosen from a pool of qualified applicants 85% of whom are Asian, what is the probability of hiring no more than 11 Asians?"

    Therefore, the number of Asians is 1160*0.85= 986, non-Asians is 1160*0.15= 174. The probability of Asian<= 11 when there're 25 hirees is P(n<=11)= SUM[C(981, n)*C(174, 25-n)/C(1160, 25)].

    “Therefore, the number of Asians is 1160*0.85= 986, non-Asians is 1160*0.15= 174. The probability of Asian<= 11 when there're 25 hirees is P(n<=11)= SUM[C(981, n)*C(174, 25-n)/C(1160, 25)]."

    Yes, I get your point about random selection with versus without replacement. When I redo the calculation with what you suggest (taking 981 to be a mistyping of 986), the probability of hiring 11 or fewer Asians comes to 1.770017089E-6 = 1 in 564,966, which is still much different from 1 in 3.4 million. So the mystery remains.

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    Indeed a mystery. It could be that the the probability that a qualified candidate is Asian is not always 0.85 in every interview the company has conducted, although on average, 85% of the qualified interviewees are Asian.

    For instance, in an extreme case, let's say the company has conducted 2 separate interviews to hire 25 people. In the 1st interview, there are 174 candidates attending and none of them is Asian. Therefore, the company has to hire 14 non-Asians. In the 2nd interview, there are 986 candidates and all of them are Asians, and so the remaining 11 spots all go to the Asians. If that's the case the probability of hiring 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians out of the 1160 applicants would be 100% (instead of 1 in 3.4 million). This is a guess but it's normal for companies to not hire all their employees at one time. More information is needed for solving the mystery, or there is the possibility that the court could be wrong too. :]

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  206. @candid_observer
    I had been checking this calculation as well.

    Here's the odd thing: in some fairly standard programs, one gets different answers depending on how the problem is formulated.

    In Excel, I put in the following formula in a cell:

    =1/(BINOM.DIST(11,25,0.85,1))

    And I get, as you do,

    401030.7223

    On the other hand, if I enter the equivalent formula,

    =1/(1-BINOM.DIST(14,25,0.15,1))

    I get instead:

    3164275.18

    which pretty well agrees with the figure from the article of 3.4M.

    I find that I see the same thing in R, where if I run the line

    >1/pbinom(11, size=25, prob=0.85)

    I get

    [1] 401030.7

    But if I run

    > 1/(1-pbinom(14, size=25, prob=0.15))

    I get:

    [1] 3164275

    I can only assume that in the first cases, the exact binomial distribution is employed, and in the second, the normal approximation is used instead.

    Your code clearly is calculating the exact binomial distribution, and so must be correct -- as are the two examples of the first case above.

    It’s not a binomial distribution. Unlike flipping a coin where the chance of getting a head or tail is always a constant (1/2), the probability of getting an Asian out of the same applicant pool will change as more applicants are selected.

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    When you're talking about a pool of size 1160 and you're taking out only 25 candidates, the binomial distribution is plenty close enough - especially when the concern is over a difference of an order of magnitude (app 400,000-500,000 vs 3.4M), and especially when the numbers of those of interest is so small -- only 25 are hired, and a single hire one way or another makes such a vast difference in the underlying probabilities. What does the extra precision really get you?

    When doing statistics, it's always important to keep the big picture in mind.
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  207. @Twinkie

    Minority Occupation Government
     
    While I share your indignation about rent-seeking parasites, non-white or not, let's get a little perspective.

    Blacks leverage their small percentage of the electorate well because they block-vote. But they hardly run any serious decision-making part of the government even with a half-black president in charge.

    Hispanics and Asians are too diverse and don't vote in large enough numbers to matter much politically. Although that may change in the future, the change as such is slower in coming than expected and, in any case, whites still dominate most institutions of power and influence.

    Your framing of "minority occupation government" vs. oppressed majority whites is therefore highly inaccurate and misleading. The real battle is between "Goodwhites" and "Badwhites," with the blacks siding with the former, and the rest (Hispanics and Asians) serving as invisible pawns at best.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that Hispanics and Asians do not matter - merely that their influence or any alleged roles in "minority occupation government" is highly exaggerated at best.

    Your framing of “minority occupation government”……….

    The US Department of Justice is definitely a minority occupied Federal agency. Yes or no? Just look what they have been up to and who has been running the show.
    How about the US Dept of Education?
    How about the US Dept of Housing and Urban Development?
    How about the US Dept Labor?
    They all are minority occupied arms of the USG. They hire minorities and disperse taxpayers money to minorities.

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  208. @TalkDoc
    Suppose you've got a coin weighted 85/15 in favor of heads. You flip it 25 times and get 11 heads. That is what happened at Palantir with "heads" = "Asian". The chances of that happening by chance are roughly .000002, or two in a million. So it is a tad more than what the story says: "one in 3.4 million." And yes ... I am Asian.

    Doc, what the hell are you calculating? According to the accusation Palantir was racially distorting the free play of the probabilities. 85% of the applicant were Asian, therefore, says the government, 85% of the hired engineers should have been Asian. Any other proportion would mean that Palantir is racially biased.

    The only way Palantir can survive in this Government imposed racial quota system is by cheating, which given the Government’s ludicrous math skills, must be extremely easy and fun.

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  209. @Lot

    Once upon a time there used to be a lot of fuss about institutions that had a very large share of Jews not being even more Jewish, ask Harvard College
     
    It was a reasonable policy initially, and Harvard dropped it eventually when it no longer made sense. Discrimination lawsuits were not necessary. Even for the policy's "victims," going to a good sub-Harvard college was hardly a grand injustice. And the 20% or so of Jews at Harvard during the Jewish quota era got what they wanted: a chance to assimilate into the American elite. That would have been harder to do in 1925 or 30 if it had been 35-40% Jewish.

    The policy was more questionable for medical schools that had Jewish quotas.

    It was a reasonable policy initially, and Harvard dropped it eventually when it no longer made sense. Discrimination lawsuits were not necessary. Even for the policy’s “victims,” going to a good sub-Harvard college was hardly a grand injustice. And the 20% or so of Jews at Harvard during the Jewish quota era got what they wanted: a chance to assimilate into the American elite.

    That’s not what he’s talking about. He’s talking about this:

    https://paw.princeton.edu/article/just-plain-wrong-former-admission-dean-fred-hargadon-responds-chosen-author-jerome-karabel

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  210. The suit cited several instances of bias. For a software engineer position, the government said, the company hired 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians among more than 1,160 qualified applicants of whom 85% were Asian.

    Gosh, then the qualifications are having a disparate impact.

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  211. @Twinkie

    Minority Occupation Government
     
    While I share your indignation about rent-seeking parasites, non-white or not, let's get a little perspective.

    Blacks leverage their small percentage of the electorate well because they block-vote. But they hardly run any serious decision-making part of the government even with a half-black president in charge.

    Hispanics and Asians are too diverse and don't vote in large enough numbers to matter much politically. Although that may change in the future, the change as such is slower in coming than expected and, in any case, whites still dominate most institutions of power and influence.

    Your framing of "minority occupation government" vs. oppressed majority whites is therefore highly inaccurate and misleading. The real battle is between "Goodwhites" and "Badwhites," with the blacks siding with the former, and the rest (Hispanics and Asians) serving as invisible pawns at best.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that Hispanics and Asians do not matter - merely that their influence or any alleged roles in "minority occupation government" is highly exaggerated at best.

    Blacks leverage their small percentage of the electorate well because they block-vote.

    No, their leverage comes from the fact that they are the prop on which the edifice of anti-whitism is constructed. Black dysfunction is the fault of whites; therefore the white race is a moral outlaw with no rights whatsoever.

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  212. @PiltdownMan

    The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart.
     
    Not to get nitpickingly literal, but surely you say that in a broad manner of speaking?

    Three standard deviations above the IQ mean is an IQ of about 155 or more. Four standard deviations implies an IQ of about 180 or more.

    The truth is that even the brainiest reaches of academia, such as the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ or the Harvard Fellows program wouldn't meet that definition of next-level smart across the board—let alone a place like Palantir.

    There's a lot of this kind of self-congratulatory hyperbole not just in Silicon Valley but also in the intelligence services.

    Three standard deviations above the IQ mean is an IQ of about 155 or more. Four standard deviations implies an IQ of about 180 or more.

    IQ is usually quoted with an SD of 15. Therefore 3 and 4 SD correspond to 145 and 160 respectively (about one in 1,000 and 10,000 people). Speaking as someone in that range (the lower side), Silicon Valley is a decent place to look for people like that (in engineering, math, and science heavy professions), and based on what I have seen of Palantir’s recruiting they are probably significantly better than average (IMHO). Do I think most people at Palantir are like that? No. Do I find DPG’s assertion of “The people I know who work at palantir tend to be next-level smart. 3 and 4 std dev above average kind of smart” believable? If DPG is smart and knows STEM types as I assume, Yes (note “tend to” rather than “all”). And to respond to your strawman, I would be surprised if anywhere is like that across the board (especially with affirmative action these days), but I wouldn’t bet against your examples being more than three quarters at or above that level (maybe half would be safer, I’m not sure how much AA has taken hold in those places and what the field breakdowns are).

    But I do definitely agree with your closing: “There’s a lot of this kind of self-congratulatory hyperbole not just in Silicon Valley but also in the intelligence services.”

    Anyone who is seriously interested in what levels of IQ you see in top tier scientists should check out Anne Roe’s The Making of a Scientist

    P.S. It would be worth hearing Ron Unz’s take on the plausibility of DPG’s comment since he is in Palo Alto (same as Palantir) and even smarter than the range we are discussing IMHO.

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    Anyone who is seriously interested in what levels of IQ you see in top tier scientists should check out Anne Roe’s The Making of a Scientist
     
    Thank you for the recommendation. While searching for reviews of Roe's book, found one on Unz Review, I noticed several pdf copies of The Making of a Scientist by Richard Feynman. Strangely, the article is routinely assigned to schoolchildren when instead it should be required reading for parents.
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  213. @Desiderius

    The truth is that even the brainiest reaches of academia, such as the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ or the Harvard Fellows program wouldn’t meet that definition of next-level smart across the board—let alone a place like Palantir.
     
    My understanding is that IAS is in fact one of the few places that would qualify, at least it was when I could go there for walks. Peaceful place.

    Agreed on the unlikelihood of Palantir being quite that level.

    My understanding is that IAS is in fact one of the few places that would qualify, at least it was when I could go there for walks. Peaceful place.

    Agreed on the unlikelihood of Palantir being quite that level.

    Thanks for the perspective. So you would agree with IAS being like that across the board? (I’m trying to calibrate my understanding) Do you find the assertions in my previous comment believable? (I agree Palantir is probably not at the level of IAS, and to be clear I am asking about my organizational assertions, not what I said about Ron and myself)

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  214. Say we are five engineers applying for the same job: A, B, C, D and E. A is hired. That result is highly improbable, arguably the employer has some kind of bias, and B, C, D, and E are entitled to accuse the employer of racial/sexist/cognitive/whatever discrimination and demand an apology and financial redress. The NSA is lucky that it can contract hungry Israeli startups to do some real work for it.

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  215. @Winston
    It's not a binomial distribution. Unlike flipping a coin where the chance of getting a head or tail is always a constant (1/2), the probability of getting an Asian out of the same applicant pool will change as more applicants are selected.

    When you’re talking about a pool of size 1160 and you’re taking out only 25 candidates, the binomial distribution is plenty close enough – especially when the concern is over a difference of an order of magnitude (app 400,000-500,000 vs 3.4M), and especially when the numbers of those of interest is so small — only 25 are hired, and a single hire one way or another makes such a vast difference in the underlying probabilities. What does the extra precision really get you?

    When doing statistics, it’s always important to keep the big picture in mind.

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    When you’re talking about a pool of size 1160 and you’re taking out only 25 candidates, the binomial distribution is plenty close enough – especially when the concern is over a difference of an order of magnitude (app 400,000-500,000 vs 3.4M), and especially when the numbers of those of interest is so small — only 25 are hired, and a single hire one way or another makes such a vast difference in the underlying probabilities. What does the extra precision really get you?
     
    And it's not actually extra precision. On average, the reduction in the white applicant pool and the reduction in the yellow applicant pool balance each other out so there's no reason to even take that into account. Taking a handful of 25 yellow and white marbles from a bucket is probabilistically identical to taking out 25 marbles one at a time. (If you can't see the marbles, of course.)
    , @Winston
    This is not about being extra precise but about being correct. Granted you also believe that the number of total applicants is a fixed number, then the probability of getting an Asian is not 0.85 all the time. Using binomial distribution will always yield the same result regardless of a pool size of 1160, 1.1 million or 1 billion. However, please see what the "extra precision" would get if you try the method i mentioned with a pool size of 1084. The point is, even though sometimes two methods yield similar results, it does not mean that they are the same fundamentally, or that one is simply more precise than the other.
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  216. @Winston
    The probability of hiring an Asians is not always 0.85 when you hire more than 1 person. For example, suppose you have 2 oranges and 1 apple. If you select 1 fruit out of the 3 fruits, the probability of getting an orange will be 2/3. However, the probability of continuing getting another orange after you already have an orange will be 1/2, instead of 2/3.

    "Among n = 14+11 = 25 hirees randomly chosen from a pool of qualified applicants 85% of whom are Asian, what is the probability of hiring no more than 11 Asians?"

    Therefore, the number of Asians is 1160*0.85= 986, non-Asians is 1160*0.15= 174. The probability of Asian<= 11 when there're 25 hirees is P(n<=11)= SUM[C(981, n)*C(174, 25-n)/C(1160, 25)].

    But that doesn’t affect the expected result. Whether you hire 25 people at a time or 25 people one at a time, you’re still pulling from the same pool.

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    Yes, but my point is that the probability of getting an Asian is not a constant as the hiring process goes along.
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  217. @candid_observer
    When you're talking about a pool of size 1160 and you're taking out only 25 candidates, the binomial distribution is plenty close enough - especially when the concern is over a difference of an order of magnitude (app 400,000-500,000 vs 3.4M), and especially when the numbers of those of interest is so small -- only 25 are hired, and a single hire one way or another makes such a vast difference in the underlying probabilities. What does the extra precision really get you?

    When doing statistics, it's always important to keep the big picture in mind.

    When you’re talking about a pool of size 1160 and you’re taking out only 25 candidates, the binomial distribution is plenty close enough – especially when the concern is over a difference of an order of magnitude (app 400,000-500,000 vs 3.4M), and especially when the numbers of those of interest is so small — only 25 are hired, and a single hire one way or another makes such a vast difference in the underlying probabilities. What does the extra precision really get you?

    And it’s not actually extra precision. On average, the reduction in the white applicant pool and the reduction in the yellow applicant pool balance each other out so there’s no reason to even take that into account. Taking a handful of 25 yellow and white marbles from a bucket is probabilistically identical to taking out 25 marbles one at a time. (If you can’t see the marbles, of course.)

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  218. @Triumph104
    At most the NBA is 20% non-black. Black Americans make up over 70% of the players and roughly half of the international players are black/African descent.

    There is an NBA player named Giannis Antetokounmpo who the commentators refer to as The Greek Freak, even though he looks about as Greek as Barack Hussein Obama’s sons.

    If Greek actor John Stamos had a son he would not look like Giannis Antetokounmpo.

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  219. @candid_observer
    When you're talking about a pool of size 1160 and you're taking out only 25 candidates, the binomial distribution is plenty close enough - especially when the concern is over a difference of an order of magnitude (app 400,000-500,000 vs 3.4M), and especially when the numbers of those of interest is so small -- only 25 are hired, and a single hire one way or another makes such a vast difference in the underlying probabilities. What does the extra precision really get you?

    When doing statistics, it's always important to keep the big picture in mind.

    This is not about being extra precise but about being correct. Granted you also believe that the number of total applicants is a fixed number, then the probability of getting an Asian is not 0.85 all the time. Using binomial distribution will always yield the same result regardless of a pool size of 1160, 1.1 million or 1 billion. However, please see what the “extra precision” would get if you try the method i mentioned with a pool size of 1084. The point is, even though sometimes two methods yield similar results, it does not mean that they are the same fundamentally, or that one is simply more precise than the other.

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    I don't know what to say.

    If you can't see that in the larger picture the binomial model is perfectly adequate to the job, I don't see how you can ever do statistics.

    Virtually every statistical model makes assumptions that are known to be literally false and "incorrect" in the real case to which they are applied, but still are close enough to the reality that the model can make useful predictions.

    Do you seriously think that, for example, pollsters take into account the 300M US population from which their 1,000 samples are chosen, and make the proper adjustments? They'd be laughed at if they did, because the adjustment would have such a negligible effect, and is completely dwarfed by other sources of error.
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  220. @ben tillman
    But that doesn't affect the expected result. Whether you hire 25 people at a time or 25 people one at a time, you're still pulling from the same pool.

    Yes, but my point is that the probability of getting an Asian is not a constant as the hiring process goes along.

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  221. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "Therefore, the number of Asians is 1160*0.85= 986, non-Asians is 1160*0.15= 174. The probability of Asian<= 11 when there're 25 hirees is P(n<=11)= SUM[C(981, n)*C(174, 25-n)/C(1160, 25)]."

    Yes, I get your point about random selection with versus without replacement. When I redo the calculation with what you suggest (taking 981 to be a mistyping of 986), the probability of hiring 11 or fewer Asians comes to 1.770017089E-6 = 1 in 564,966, which is still much different from 1 in 3.4 million. So the mystery remains.

    Indeed a mystery. It could be that the the probability that a qualified candidate is Asian is not always 0.85 in every interview the company has conducted, although on average, 85% of the qualified interviewees are Asian.

    For instance, in an extreme case, let’s say the company has conducted 2 separate interviews to hire 25 people. In the 1st interview, there are 174 candidates attending and none of them is Asian. Therefore, the company has to hire 14 non-Asians. In the 2nd interview, there are 986 candidates and all of them are Asians, and so the remaining 11 spots all go to the Asians. If that’s the case the probability of hiring 14 non-Asians and 11 Asians out of the 1160 applicants would be 100% (instead of 1 in 3.4 million). This is a guess but it’s normal for companies to not hire all their employees at one time. More information is needed for solving the mystery, or there is the possibility that the court could be wrong too. :]

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  222. @candid_observer
    I had been checking this calculation as well.

    Here's the odd thing: in some fairly standard programs, one gets different answers depending on how the problem is formulated.

    In Excel, I put in the following formula in a cell:

    =1/(BINOM.DIST(11,25,0.85,1))

    And I get, as you do,

    401030.7223

    On the other hand, if I enter the equivalent formula,

    =1/(1-BINOM.DIST(14,25,0.15,1))

    I get instead:

    3164275.18

    which pretty well agrees with the figure from the article of 3.4M.

    I find that I see the same thing in R, where if I run the line

    >1/pbinom(11, size=25, prob=0.85)

    I get

    [1] 401030.7

    But if I run

    > 1/(1-pbinom(14, size=25, prob=0.15))

    I get:

    [1] 3164275

    I can only assume that in the first cases, the exact binomial distribution is employed, and in the second, the normal approximation is used instead.

    Your code clearly is calculating the exact binomial distribution, and so must be correct -- as are the two examples of the first case above.

    Actually, it occurs to me that I made a mistake in the formulas for the second cases above, and it probably is the same mistake that lies behind the 3.4M figure quoted in the article.

    I had said that the second formulations of the problem were the same as the first. They are not.

    The correct formulas are, respectively for Excel and R:

    =1/(1-BINOM.DIST(13,25,0.15,1))

    1/(1-pbinom(13, size=25, prob=0.15))

    Basically, because the second formula is measuring the probability distribution including, and to the right of, the number of successes in question, the remaining left of that distribution must end at the number of successes minus 1 (i.e., 13, instead of 14).

    These new formulas are equivalent to, and agree with in calculation, the formulas:

    1/(BINOM.DIST(11,25,0.85,1))

    1/pbinom(11, size=25, prob=0.85)

    I speculate that the 3.4M figure came from making the same mistake I made, but with a slightly adjusted probability — bear in mind that the 15% figure is very likely an approximation, so that they may have used a more exact figure.

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  223. @Winston
    This is not about being extra precise but about being correct. Granted you also believe that the number of total applicants is a fixed number, then the probability of getting an Asian is not 0.85 all the time. Using binomial distribution will always yield the same result regardless of a pool size of 1160, 1.1 million or 1 billion. However, please see what the "extra precision" would get if you try the method i mentioned with a pool size of 1084. The point is, even though sometimes two methods yield similar results, it does not mean that they are the same fundamentally, or that one is simply more precise than the other.

    I don’t know what to say.

    If you can’t see that in the larger picture the binomial model is perfectly adequate to the job, I don’t see how you can ever do statistics.

    Virtually every statistical model makes assumptions that are known to be literally false and “incorrect” in the real case to which they are applied, but still are close enough to the reality that the model can make useful predictions.

    Do you seriously think that, for example, pollsters take into account the 300M US population from which their 1,000 samples are chosen, and make the proper adjustments? They’d be laughed at if they did, because the adjustment would have such a negligible effect, and is completely dwarfed by other sources of error.

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