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Jennifer Steinhauer is the New York Times reporter who fell so hard for the self-evidently absurd UVA night of broken glass gang rape fantasy clusterfake.

Here’s her December 4th NYT article well after the story had already been exploded elsewhere — it’s original title is still visible in URL “String of Sexual Assault Cases May Lead to Tipping Point”

Here’s Steinhauer’s November 24th article: “University of Virginia Officials Vow to Combat Campus Rape Problem.”

And here’s here November 21st NYT article: “University of Virginia’s Image Suffers After Campus Rape Report.”

And she’s still on the UVA beat and, not surprisingly, the NYT still hasn’t reported the most humiliating aspects of it being hoaxed, such as ever mentioning the name “Haven Monahan.”

UVA Fraternity Reinstated After Rolling Stone Article on Rape

By JENNIFER STEINHAUER JAN. 12, 2015

An article in late November in Rolling Stone described in graphic detail a gang rape alleged to have taken place at the Phi Kappa Psi house at the University of Virginia. Credit Steve Helber/Associated Press

The University of Virginia, after receiving guidance from the local police, has reinstated the fraternity at the center of a magazine article that detailed gang rape allegations that later unraveled.

“We welcome Phi Kappa Psi, and we look forward to working with all fraternities and sororities in enhancing and promoting a safe environment for all,” Teresa A. Sullivan, the president of the university, said in a statement.

In November, an article in Rolling Stone magazine detailed a student’s account of a 2012 gang rape at the fraternity, which prompted Ms. Sullivan to suspend all fraternities through the end of the year and to contact the Charlottesville Police Department to request a criminal investigation.

The story of the student, identified only as “Jackie,” started to crumble as various people and news organizations began to investigate the veracity of the account, and her friends contested details. Rolling Stone then published a note to readers from Will Dana, the managing editor, stating, “In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie’s account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced.”

The Charlottesville police are still investigating the claims and will be for a few weeks, a spokesman for the department, Capt. Gary Pleasants, said. “We just agreed with UVA that Phi Kappa Psi could be reinstated.”

Last week, Ms. Sullivan authorized addenda on alcohol use to the University’s Fraternal Organization Agreement that fraternities must sign by mid-month. The addenda ban kegs of beer and pre-made mixes of liquor and punch — often served to young women at parties — at fraternity parties and limits beer to closed cans. Further, at least one fraternity member must be sober at functions, in keeping with a trend on campuses that bystanders play a bigger role in preventing sexual assault.

Somehow, though, that doesn’t sound adequate to stop Haven Monahan from doing it again.

 
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  1. So has anyone lost a job let alone gone to jail over this travesty. Sullivan should be history, that she isn’t is further proof that being left not only means you never have to say you’re sorry, it means there are no consequences whatsoever.

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    So has anyone lost a job let alone gone to jail over this travesty. Sullivan should be history, that she isn’t is further proof that being left not only means you never have to say you’re sorry, it means there are no consequences whatsoever.
     
    It looks like if as long as you push the CMM "Narrative" you are bullit proof.

    NYT layed off over a hundred employees the week before Christmas. I posted comments that of the dozen or so NYT reporters, editors and opinion writers who covered the UVA Rape hoax according to the prescribed "Campus Rape Crisis Narrative", none have lost their jobs.

    However, the one NYT reporter who did lose her job was Ariel Kaminer, who penned articles that were concerned with the due process rights of a Colombia University student who was accused of rape by a SJW radical feminist student loon.

    See here http://www.unz.com/isteve/washington-post-denounces-frat-at-center-of-u-va-sexual-assault-controversy/#comment-805994

    Steve also mentioned a list of journalists who flogged the "BlackLivesMatter" Ferguson "Narrative", looks like none have lost their jobs either.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/narrative-formation-case-study-nyts-role-in-the-ferguson-fiasco/
    http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/12/media-megaphone-contributed-to-brooklyn.html

    You can double check my work, but I did not notice any reporter who pushed the Michael Brown = Gentile Giant party line lost their job either.

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  2. The NYT is not in the business of reporting news. Their job is propaganda and I have to say they’re very good at it.

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    No, the situation is much worse rhan that. The NYT, NPR, BBC, Washington Post,Rolling Stone, etc., are in the business of both reporting news and spreading propaganda, and the reporters may not always be 100% clear which one they're doing. This is bad, because sometimes, they're the best available sources of information about something--all those news sources have done some really first-rate reporting. You have to take what they say with some skepticism, consider their angle and their biases and their incentives, but they still have good information sometimes--often, the best available information on some subject where they're paying someone to report stuff that hardly anyone else is paying attention to.
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  3. 2Mintzin1 [AKA "Mike"] says:

    Interesting that the college prez thinks that she can just brazen it out and admit nothing…that way, the whole mess will eventually go away and all that will be left are the “addenda” the fraternities have agreed to. She may be right.
    I am not surprised that the NYT has chosen not to explore the story, but I am surprised that the fraternities folded so quickly. They acted as if they were actually guilty of something. An interesting display of the powerlessness of the privileged white male on campus.

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    Has it ever failed for a democrat?
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  4. Steve,

    Let’s see if your comment can make it to the top of the NYT comment section. You did write a comment, didn’t you?

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  5. Je Suis Haven Monahan

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    Winning.
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  6. Oldie but goodie.

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    Thanks for posting that MSNBC clip. Leftist mental choreography at its best.

    The way they play off each other. The arch facial expressions.

    Kabuki for the 21st Century.
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  7. Ann Coulter wrote a column last month in which she described how the left often stages hoaxes, and then demands changes to the system or law to prevent the recurrence of the event which never really happened in the first place. Though this case was not mentioned in her column, it appears now it fits the pattern with these new rules to protect future Jackies from the devious barkeep Haven Monahan.

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  8. The addenda ban kegs of beer and pre-made mixes of liquor and punch — often served to young women at parties — at fraternity parties and limits beer to closed cans.

    They must be of the H. L. Mencken mindset:

    A Man forbids his wife to drink too much because, deep in his secret archives, he has records of the behavior of other women who drank too much, and is eager to safeguard his wife’s self-respect, and his own dignity, against what he knows to be certain invasion. In brief, it is a commonplace of observation, familiar to all males beyond the age of twenty-one, that once a woman is drunk the rest is a mere matter of time and place: the girl is already there. ― H.L. Mencken, Prejudices

    Also:

    The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. ― H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women

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    "The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. "

    Sadly, she succeeded.

    Wir mussen die Feministen ausrotten!

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  9. If the fate of Duke’s Group of 88 is any indication, there will be no accountability.

    At least 3 of the Group of 88 have actually been promoted at Duke since the case, with another 8 being lured away to more lucrative positions at other schools. See this recent update:

    http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2014/07/checking-in-with-group-of-88.html

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  10. “Somehow, though, that doesn’t sound adequate to stop Haven Monahan from doing it again.”

    I know Haven Monahan, and this new environment is one in which he thrives. Ask not for whom Haven comes, fair maid, he comes for thee. As I write, he is probably afoot on campuses far and wide, hither and yon, here and about.

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  11. ~ I note that the NYT story uses the “original” version of the Rolling Stone apology, with “trust in her misplaced.” That was almost immediately superseded, and the fact that the author of this article is using the old form suggests to me that she is attempting to express her own disappointment.

    ~ Like the predicted catastrophe that never happens because it is prepared for, we will never know how bad this story could have gotten if it wasn’t squelched so soon. But it was, and the SOP in these kinds of cases is to memory hole the story. Then, when it is brought up at a later date, everyone will say, “Yeah, well, I never really believed it anyway.”

    ~ The left likes to manufacture hoaxes because they yearn to be on the front lines of a struggle where they don’t have to take any risks. That is why I call them “civil rights re-enactors;” they just want to pretend that they are in the front lines of something or other.

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  12. The addenda ban kegs of beer…

    I don’t want to make “a painfully obtuse statement of the obvious,” but that is sacrilege!

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  13. @Steven Wilson
    So has anyone lost a job let alone gone to jail over this travesty. Sullivan should be history, that she isn't is further proof that being left not only means you never have to say you're sorry, it means there are no consequences whatsoever.

    So has anyone lost a job let alone gone to jail over this travesty. Sullivan should be history, that she isn’t is further proof that being left not only means you never have to say you’re sorry, it means there are no consequences whatsoever.

    It looks like if as long as you push the CMM “Narrative” you are bullit proof.

    NYT layed off over a hundred employees the week before Christmas. I posted comments that of the dozen or so NYT reporters, editors and opinion writers who covered the UVA Rape hoax according to the prescribed “Campus Rape Crisis Narrative”, none have lost their jobs.

    However, the one NYT reporter who did lose her job was Ariel Kaminer, who penned articles that were concerned with the due process rights of a Colombia University student who was accused of rape by a SJW radical feminist student loon.

    See here http://www.unz.com/isteve/washington-post-denounces-frat-at-center-of-u-va-sexual-assault-controversy/#comment-805994

    Steve also mentioned a list of journalists who flogged the “BlackLivesMatter” Ferguson “Narrative”, looks like none have lost their jobs either.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/narrative-formation-case-study-nyts-role-in-the-ferguson-fiasco/

    http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/12/media-megaphone-contributed-to-brooklyn.html

    You can double check my work, but I did not notice any reporter who pushed the Michael Brown = Gentile Giant party line lost their job either.

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  14. @Harold

    The addenda ban kegs of beer and pre-made mixes of liquor and punch — often served to young women at parties — at fraternity parties and limits beer to closed cans.
     
    They must be of the H. L. Mencken mindset:

    A Man forbids his wife to drink too much because, deep in his secret archives, he has records of the behavior of other women who drank too much, and is eager to safeguard his wife’s self-respect, and his own dignity, against what he knows to be certain invasion. In brief, it is a commonplace of observation, familiar to all males beyond the age of twenty-one, that once a woman is drunk the rest is a mere matter of time and place: the girl is already there. ― H.L. Mencken, Prejudices

     
    Also:

    The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. ― H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women
     

    “The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. ”

    Sadly, she succeeded.

    Wir mussen die Feministen ausrotten!

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    Wir mussen die Feministen ausrotten!
     
    Jawohl, Frau Kommissarin!
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  15. “Further, at least one fraternity member must be sober at functions”

    I used to be that guy!

    Don’t see how banning kegs will accomplish anything, but sweet mixed drinks really are insidious. The best way to reduce drinking might be to make pure vodka the only choice.

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    I kind of like that idea of vodka and water as the only drink.
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  16. Are the fraternities demanding an apology for the harassment they endured?

    This is pretty outrageous.

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  17. Is the name – Steinhauer – enough to kill any criticism?

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    Are you suggesting it’s a Jewish name? There may be Jewish Steinhauers. Jennifer Steinhauer may be Jewish (I don’t know). But I think the name is just a German name. A quick web search tells me it means ‘stonemason’.
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  18. @International Jew
    "Further, at least one fraternity member must be sober at functions"

    I used to be that guy!


    Don't see how banning kegs will accomplish anything, but sweet mixed drinks really are insidious. The best way to reduce drinking might be to make pure vodka the only choice.

    I kind of like that idea of vodka and water as the only drink.

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    • Replies: @Busby
    Grain alcohol and rain water.

    POE
    , @cthulhu
    Cheap Scotch. Water optional. No college girl will drink cheap Scotch.
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  19. Priss Factor [AKA "Hannah Monahan"] says:

    I hope Sabrina Rubin will grant me an interview.

    I have a story of rape to tell.

    2 yrs ago, I used to work as an intern at the NYT. A bunch of editors asked me to stay after hours and when I did, they turned off the lights and raped me for 5 hrs. And then they put me in a bag and took me to the office of CNN and raped me for 5 more hrs with the CNN staff including a tranny with a beer bottle and a lesbian with a strap on.

    And then put me in a bag and drove me to Harvard and raped me for 5 hrs more with the staff of Harvard Law school.

    I don’t know how I survived but I demand something be done about NYT, CNN, and Harvard.

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    And then they put me in a bag and took me to the office of CNN and raped me for 5 more hrs with the CNN staff
     
    There is a hole in your story, sister. Everyone knows that everyone is gay at CNN and cannot possibly rape a woman.
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  20. What type of parent(singular) would name her son Haven? It would have to either be a trailer trash single mommy naming him after a character in a daytime soap opera in or a gender feminist intent on non-surgical castration of the only male left in her household. If there was a dad in the household at the time of his naming it could only happen if that was a last name in the family tree but with a non-WASPy last name like Monahan, I think it’s a very long shot indeed.

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    And the award for "stepping on the rake and whacking hisself about the spectacles area" goes to Prof. Woland, unless he is exhibiting a level of nuance and subtlety usually lacking even here.

    At least here, it is accepted that "Haven Monohan" is a nom de plume at best, if it isn't straight up maskirovka. (It's straight up maskirovka.)
    , @dcite
    I knew a Jewish guy named Haven once. It seemed to be considered a cool name. I never knew where it came from but there was certainly no stigma attached and he was quite like a rock star in many ways. Many ways.
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  21. @Art
    Is the name – Steinhauer – enough to kill any criticism?

    Are you suggesting it’s a Jewish name? There may be Jewish Steinhauers. Jennifer Steinhauer may be Jewish (I don’t know). But I think the name is just a German name. A quick web search tells me it means ‘stonemason’.

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  22. @SFG
    "The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. "

    Sadly, she succeeded.

    Wir mussen die Feministen ausrotten!

    Wir mussen die Feministen ausrotten!

    Jawohl, Frau Kommissarin!

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  23. Why is this a surprise? In the realm of politics and mass media (I repeat myself), truth doesn’t matter. Victory does. It doesn’t matter what the reality says.

    I remember when the CDC was about to release the result of its study on the efficacy of the Brady bill on gun control. I know for a fact that some gun control groups prepared two separate and different press releases in anticipation.

    If the CDC study showed that the Brady bill was effective in curbing “gun violence,” the response was going to be “Gun control works! We need more stringent gun control!”

    If, on the other hand, the CDC study showed that the Brady bill was ineffective, the response was going to be “The Brady bill was inadequate and did not go far enough. We need more stringent gun control!” (and this was in the end, what occurred).

    No matter what investigations or studies say, the agenda is and remains always the same.

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  24. Jackie should have said she was Hispanic and that her fake non existent Blond male rapists were immigration restrictionists who are members of The Minute Men Project and that after they raped her they spray painted “STAY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY YOU DIRTY WETBACK” all over her dorm room. She would have gotten even more sympathy from the progressive left wing establishment.

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    Blond male rapists were immigration restrictionists who are members of The Minute Men Project and that after they raped her they spray painted “STAY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY YOU DIRTY WETBACK” all over her dorm room.
     
    Or a simple "Sieg Heil" would've done: http://britneynationalparty.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/hicks.jpg

    Too cute?
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  25. And she’s still on the UVA beat and, not surprisingly, the NYT still hasn’t reported the most humiliating aspects of it being hoaxed, such as ever mentioning the name “Haven Monahan.”

    Still waiting on them giving priority attention to the name Jesse Leroy Matthew Jr.

    He seems to have targeted quite a few White Female Bodies for rape and destruction down there in ole Virginia.

    http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26581667/man-seen-missing-uva-student-being-sought?obref=obinsite

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    Jesse Leroy Matthew Jr.
     
    This name is the real story, and it has been buried under all the shattered glass.
    , @Prof. Woland
    Not to mock the deceased, but what is the counterpart of the white frat boy? The white college princess. And in this case it appears one was singled out by a 300 lb black thug who had his way with her. It does not paint a very pretty picture and for the feminist SJW it must be like rubbing their noses in shit.
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  26. What matters is not what happened, but how it is remembered.

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  27. @Rifleman

    And she’s still on the UVA beat and, not surprisingly, the NYT still hasn’t reported the most humiliating aspects of it being hoaxed, such as ever mentioning the name “Haven Monahan.”
     
    Still waiting on them giving priority attention to the name Jesse Leroy Matthew Jr.

    He seems to have targeted quite a few White Female Bodies for rape and destruction down there in ole Virginia.

    http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26581667/man-seen-missing-uva-student-being-sought?obref=obinsite

    Jesse Leroy Matthew Jr.

    This name is the real story, and it has been buried under all the shattered glass.

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  28. @Steve Sailer
    I kind of like that idea of vodka and water as the only drink.

    Grain alcohol and rain water.

    POE

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    If the idea is to lessen how often teenage girls get super drunk, then ban fancy mixed drinks and wine, and allow only beer and vodka.
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  29. @Cagey Beast
    Je Suis Haven Monahan

    Winning.

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  30. @Rifleman

    And she’s still on the UVA beat and, not surprisingly, the NYT still hasn’t reported the most humiliating aspects of it being hoaxed, such as ever mentioning the name “Haven Monahan.”
     
    Still waiting on them giving priority attention to the name Jesse Leroy Matthew Jr.

    He seems to have targeted quite a few White Female Bodies for rape and destruction down there in ole Virginia.

    http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26581667/man-seen-missing-uva-student-being-sought?obref=obinsite

    Not to mock the deceased, but what is the counterpart of the white frat boy? The white college princess. And in this case it appears one was singled out by a 300 lb black thug who had his way with her. It does not paint a very pretty picture and for the feminist SJW it must be like rubbing their noses in shit.

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  31. @2Mintzin1
    Interesting that the college prez thinks that she can just brazen it out and admit nothing...that way, the whole mess will eventually go away and all that will be left are the "addenda" the fraternities have agreed to. She may be right.
    I am not surprised that the NYT has chosen not to explore the story, but I am surprised that the fraternities folded so quickly. They acted as if they were actually guilty of something. An interesting display of the powerlessness of the privileged white male on campus.

    Has it ever failed for a democrat?

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  32. @Prof. Woland
    What type of parent(singular) would name her son Haven? It would have to either be a trailer trash single mommy naming him after a character in a daytime soap opera in or a gender feminist intent on non-surgical castration of the only male left in her household. If there was a dad in the household at the time of his naming it could only happen if that was a last name in the family tree but with a non-WASPy last name like Monahan, I think it's a very long shot indeed.

    And the award for “stepping on the rake and whacking hisself about the spectacles area” goes to Prof. Woland, unless he is exhibiting a level of nuance and subtlety usually lacking even here.

    At least here, it is accepted that “Haven Monohan” is a nom de plume at best, if it isn’t straight up maskirovka. (It’s straight up maskirovka.)

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  33. “Last week, Ms. Sullivan authorized addenda on alcohol use to the University’s Fraternal Organization Agreement that fraternities must sign by mid-month. The addenda ban kegs of beer and pre-made mixes of liquor and punch — often served to young women at parties — at fraternity parties and limits beer to closed cans. Further, at least one fraternity member must be sober at functions, in keeping with a trend on campuses that bystanders play a bigger role in preventing sexual assault.”

    I just looked up Virginia’s legal drinking age. It has been 21 since 1987.

    Why are these colleges making rules about alcohol usage by fraternities that does not acknowledge that most frat members are too young to drink legally? Well of course the answer is that they feel helpless, that many frats are off campus and not owned by the university and so many obvious solutions are off the table.

    Nevertheless, the law is the law. The gain vs. the pain of trying to restrict individual students bringing booze into their individual dorm rooms or small, often spontaneous gatherings isn’t worth it. But it seems to me that equation changes when we are talking about organized groups of people ranging from freshman to seniors, in which case most group members are under 21.

    The way to go to solve the University of Virginia’s problem was to ban the use of alcohol at frat parties.

    That’s it. It has to be done to solve the problem with alcohol use at frats anywhere. And those alcohol problems frankly affect the guys drinking more than anybody else. How many have flunked out or left with GPAs under 2.0 because they were drinking way too much and way too often?

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    Banning alcohol at parties will just lead to binge drinking before parties.

    It was a bad idea to raise the drinking age to 21. IIRC, the Feds bribed/coerced states to raise their drinking ages in return for highway funding or something in the '80s. It really should be 16 for beer and wine, 18 for anything else. Raise the driving age by a couple of years, if anything.
    , @Twinkie

    I just looked up Virginia’s legal drinking age. It has been 21 since 1987.
     
    And the age of consent is 18. What's your point? That there isn't a whole lot of statutory rape prosecutions in VA?

    Laws do not make men. Parents do. You can shape the drinking and fornication culture (or lack thereof) in your own household and, therefore, children.
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  34. in keeping with a trend on campuses that bystanders play a bigger role in preventing sexual assault

    This person writes for the Times? Do they have copyeditors there anymore?

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  35. […] Source: Steve Sailer […]

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  36. It’s a very big strike zone when White cisgendered males are at the plate.

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  37. The msnbc clip prompts me to ask: Does anyone still watch TV? Now that we are so much better informed and aware of the corruption, the narratives. I just don’t get any bang out of those talking head shows. They just wind me up.

    American TV, great hair.

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    A few years ago, I was in a hospital and my hands were too swollen to work an iPhone, and I didn't have the attention span to read, so I watched daytime TV. Soon, I turned the sound off, since it seemed unnecessary. CNBC had little countdowns to the market open, the market close, or the next release of some arcane bit of economic data (which, since estimates were already priced into markets, would invariably be a wet firecracker); the women's talk shows interviewed celebrities, or fitness/diet people; the Spanish-language channel had some knock-off of The People's Court; etc. It reminded me of the old Paddy Chayefsky quote about how modern man faces the dilemma of work or watching daytime TV.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    "Does anyone still watch TV?"
     
    Philo Farnsworth, the inventor of television, said he didn't watch it, because there was nothing to watch. So it's kind of always been this way.

    TV is transitioning to a la carte internet viewing, which will enable us to go directly to our Breaking Bad middle-brow fun, and leaving cable channels for low-brow advertising to the groundlings.

    Really, some of us are finding it harder and harder to look at normal channels for more than a few minutes. Same for most movies.

    Thank goodness there will always be good things one has not read yet.
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  38. @notsaying
    "Last week, Ms. Sullivan authorized addenda on alcohol use to the University’s Fraternal Organization Agreement that fraternities must sign by mid-month. The addenda ban kegs of beer and pre-made mixes of liquor and punch — often served to young women at parties — at fraternity parties and limits beer to closed cans. Further, at least one fraternity member must be sober at functions, in keeping with a trend on campuses that bystanders play a bigger role in preventing sexual assault."

    I just looked up Virginia's legal drinking age. It has been 21 since 1987.

    Why are these colleges making rules about alcohol usage by fraternities that does not acknowledge that most frat members are too young to drink legally? Well of course the answer is that they feel helpless, that many frats are off campus and not owned by the university and so many obvious solutions are off the table.

    Nevertheless, the law is the law. The gain vs. the pain of trying to restrict individual students bringing booze into their individual dorm rooms or small, often spontaneous gatherings isn't worth it. But it seems to me that equation changes when we are talking about organized groups of people ranging from freshman to seniors, in which case most group members are under 21.

    The way to go to solve the University of Virginia's problem was to ban the use of alcohol at frat parties.

    That's it. It has to be done to solve the problem with alcohol use at frats anywhere. And those alcohol problems frankly affect the guys drinking more than anybody else. How many have flunked out or left with GPAs under 2.0 because they were drinking way too much and way too often?

    Banning alcohol at parties will just lead to binge drinking before parties.

    It was a bad idea to raise the drinking age to 21. IIRC, the Feds bribed/coerced states to raise their drinking ages in return for highway funding or something in the ’80s. It really should be 16 for beer and wine, 18 for anything else. Raise the driving age by a couple of years, if anything.

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    #38 - Dave Pinsen It might. But it also might push the frats to hold their parties in bars and restaurants. Sure it would cost lots more but that's kind of the point. It gets the problem out of the university's jurisdiction. Speaking of jurisdiction, I have to wonder where Liquor Control is. How does the head of the University of Virginia revise "rules" about big, pre-planned and presumably advertised parties where illegal underage drinking goes on? If someone in the private sector advertised an "All You Can Drink, Ages 17-23" party wouldn't Liquor Control be all over them?

    By the way, why do you want a lower drinking age?
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  39. @Jay
    The msnbc clip prompts me to ask: Does anyone still watch TV? Now that we are so much better informed and aware of the corruption, the narratives. I just don't get any bang out of those talking head shows. They just wind me up.

    American TV, great hair.

    A few years ago, I was in a hospital and my hands were too swollen to work an iPhone, and I didn’t have the attention span to read, so I watched daytime TV. Soon, I turned the sound off, since it seemed unnecessary. CNBC had little countdowns to the market open, the market close, or the next release of some arcane bit of economic data (which, since estimates were already priced into markets, would invariably be a wet firecracker); the women’s talk shows interviewed celebrities, or fitness/diet people; the Spanish-language channel had some knock-off of The People’s Court; etc. It reminded me of the old Paddy Chayefsky quote about how modern man faces the dilemma of work or watching daytime TV.

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  40. Kind of a sad commentary that UVa is still successfully making demands on the frat rather than the lawyers from national demanding grovelling apologies, and perhaps material damages/concessions from the University people.

    The analogy is a dog biting its owner. There are a few nutcase dogs out there, sudden rage syndrome, adopting an adult dog of uneven temperament, etc, but in most conventional cases the owner effectively trains the dog to eventually bit his master. He lets the pup get away with the occasional growl or food protection, these things escalate, slowly empowering the dog and, perhaps unconsciously, cowing the owner, until the dog finally goes for the brass ring.

    If the frat takes this lying down, rather than demanding scalps, reparations, restoration of slandered honor, punishment of the slandering student/magazine/journalist and abetting academicians, there shouldn’t be any sympathy later on when they are getting even more egregiously rolled.

    One can only hope that they will grow a pair and are simply waiting for the police “investigation” to conclude. In more normal times, it would be obvious that that is what is going on now, but these days no one is going broke underestimating the passive submissiveness of the alleged patriarchy.

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  41. @Jay
    The msnbc clip prompts me to ask: Does anyone still watch TV? Now that we are so much better informed and aware of the corruption, the narratives. I just don't get any bang out of those talking head shows. They just wind me up.

    American TV, great hair.

    “Does anyone still watch TV?”

    Philo Farnsworth, the inventor of television, said he didn’t watch it, because there was nothing to watch. So it’s kind of always been this way.

    TV is transitioning to a la carte internet viewing, which will enable us to go directly to our Breaking Bad middle-brow fun, and leaving cable channels for low-brow advertising to the groundlings.

    Really, some of us are finding it harder and harder to look at normal channels for more than a few minutes. Same for most movies.

    Thank goodness there will always be good things one has not read yet.

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    I shot my TV set, literally, when I was 17 years old and never looked back. My lack of pop culture references to fall back on in a conversation makes it a quick study to see if someone's actually worth talking to.
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  42. @Dave Pinsen
    Banning alcohol at parties will just lead to binge drinking before parties.

    It was a bad idea to raise the drinking age to 21. IIRC, the Feds bribed/coerced states to raise their drinking ages in return for highway funding or something in the '80s. It really should be 16 for beer and wine, 18 for anything else. Raise the driving age by a couple of years, if anything.

    #38 – Dave Pinsen It might. But it also might push the frats to hold their parties in bars and restaurants. Sure it would cost lots more but that’s kind of the point. It gets the problem out of the university’s jurisdiction. Speaking of jurisdiction, I have to wonder where Liquor Control is. How does the head of the University of Virginia revise “rules” about big, pre-planned and presumably advertised parties where illegal underage drinking goes on? If someone in the private sector advertised an “All You Can Drink, Ages 17-23″ party wouldn’t Liquor Control be all over them?

    By the way, why do you want a lower drinking age?

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    Why I want a lower drinking age? Because teens are going to drink anyway, and if it's legal, they can do so in safer settings. And maybe develop a healthier relationship with alcohol than if their first introduction to it is via binge drinking.
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  43. Say “Haven Monahan” three times into a dorm room mirror …

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  44. @notsaying
    #38 - Dave Pinsen It might. But it also might push the frats to hold their parties in bars and restaurants. Sure it would cost lots more but that's kind of the point. It gets the problem out of the university's jurisdiction. Speaking of jurisdiction, I have to wonder where Liquor Control is. How does the head of the University of Virginia revise "rules" about big, pre-planned and presumably advertised parties where illegal underage drinking goes on? If someone in the private sector advertised an "All You Can Drink, Ages 17-23" party wouldn't Liquor Control be all over them?

    By the way, why do you want a lower drinking age?

    Why I want a lower drinking age? Because teens are going to drink anyway, and if it’s legal, they can do so in safer settings. And maybe develop a healthier relationship with alcohol than if their first introduction to it is via binge drinking.

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  45. and others suggesting bad tasting hard liqour may be a solution to binge drinking. That might work for Mediterreanen peoples and Germans, but for Scandinavians, Russians, lots of Eastern Europeans and presumably the Irish getting blackout drunk on something that can be used to strip paint is more seen as a fun challenge rather than an actual obstacle.

    I recall an interview with Finnish ski jumper Matti Nykänen who was going to take part in a campaign against alcoholism where he earnestly explained that from now on he would only drink beer. In his view that was pretty much the same thing as being a teetotaler.

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    When I was in Moscow in 2001 for a science conference, the alcoholics passed out in the street were clutching vodka bottles, while the high-functioning college students drank beer.
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  46. @FRJ
    @International Jew

    and others suggesting bad tasting hard liqour may be a solution to binge drinking. That might work for Mediterreanen peoples and Germans, but for Scandinavians, Russians, lots of Eastern Europeans and presumably the Irish getting blackout drunk on something that can be used to strip paint is more seen as a fun challenge rather than an actual obstacle.

    I recall an interview with Finnish ski jumper Matti Nykänen who was going to take part in a campaign against alcoholism where he earnestly explained that from now on he would only drink beer. In his view that was pretty much the same thing as being a teetotaler.

    When I was in Moscow in 2001 for a science conference, the alcoholics passed out in the street were clutching vodka bottles, while the high-functioning college students drank beer.

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    From the movie script for Under the Volcano:

    I think- I think I will only drink beer today on our outing.

    Chin. Chin.

    There's nothing like...beer- [ Coughs ] beer to straighten one out. -You know?

    - Mm-hmm.

    -And then -

    - Uh-huh, uh-huh.

    Then go back to the strychnine.
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  47. I think you’re neglecting an HBD-aspect here. Some people, eg large numbers of American Indians and Swedes, are just predisposed to binge drink and can’t have a healthy relationship with alcohol no matter how it’s introduced.

    The appropriate legal drinking age probably ranges from 0 to 99 depending on what group of people you are talking about.

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    "Some people, eg large numbers of American Indians and Swedes, are just predisposed to binge drink and can’t have a healthy relationship with alcohol no matter how it’s introduced.

    The appropriate legal drinking age probably ranges from 0 to 99 depending on what group of people you are talking about."

    The appropriate legal drinking age is 18, at a maximum, the age of majority.

    Formulating laws "because science" or "9 of 10 sociologists agree..." has led to all sorts of mischief and judicial activism.

    'tis a slippery slope, so seems best, IMO, to stick to principle and pursuit of justice, not expediency in formulating laws.

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  48. @Priss Factor
    I hope Sabrina Rubin will grant me an interview.

    I have a story of rape to tell.

    2 yrs ago, I used to work as an intern at the NYT. A bunch of editors asked me to stay after hours and when I did, they turned off the lights and raped me for 5 hrs. And then they put me in a bag and took me to the office of CNN and raped me for 5 more hrs with the CNN staff including a tranny with a beer bottle and a lesbian with a strap on.

    And then put me in a bag and drove me to Harvard and raped me for 5 hrs more with the staff of Harvard Law school.

    I don't know how I survived but I demand something be done about NYT, CNN, and Harvard.

    And then they put me in a bag and took me to the office of CNN and raped me for 5 more hrs with the CNN staff

    There is a hole in your story, sister. Everyone knows that everyone is gay at CNN and cannot possibly rape a woman.

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    who says Hannah is a woman. You can never assume anything from names anymore.
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  49. @notsaying
    "Last week, Ms. Sullivan authorized addenda on alcohol use to the University’s Fraternal Organization Agreement that fraternities must sign by mid-month. The addenda ban kegs of beer and pre-made mixes of liquor and punch — often served to young women at parties — at fraternity parties and limits beer to closed cans. Further, at least one fraternity member must be sober at functions, in keeping with a trend on campuses that bystanders play a bigger role in preventing sexual assault."

    I just looked up Virginia's legal drinking age. It has been 21 since 1987.

    Why are these colleges making rules about alcohol usage by fraternities that does not acknowledge that most frat members are too young to drink legally? Well of course the answer is that they feel helpless, that many frats are off campus and not owned by the university and so many obvious solutions are off the table.

    Nevertheless, the law is the law. The gain vs. the pain of trying to restrict individual students bringing booze into their individual dorm rooms or small, often spontaneous gatherings isn't worth it. But it seems to me that equation changes when we are talking about organized groups of people ranging from freshman to seniors, in which case most group members are under 21.

    The way to go to solve the University of Virginia's problem was to ban the use of alcohol at frat parties.

    That's it. It has to be done to solve the problem with alcohol use at frats anywhere. And those alcohol problems frankly affect the guys drinking more than anybody else. How many have flunked out or left with GPAs under 2.0 because they were drinking way too much and way too often?

    I just looked up Virginia’s legal drinking age. It has been 21 since 1987.

    And the age of consent is 18. What’s your point? That there isn’t a whole lot of statutory rape prosecutions in VA?

    Laws do not make men. Parents do. You can shape the drinking and fornication culture (or lack thereof) in your own household and, therefore, children.

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  50. @Jefferson
    Jackie should have said she was Hispanic and that her fake non existent Blond male rapists were immigration restrictionists who are members of The Minute Men Project and that after they raped her they spray painted "STAY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY YOU DIRTY WETBACK" all over her dorm room. She would have gotten even more sympathy from the progressive left wing establishment.

    Blond male rapists were immigration restrictionists who are members of The Minute Men Project and that after they raped her they spray painted “STAY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY YOU DIRTY WETBACK” all over her dorm room.

    Or a simple “Sieg Heil” would’ve done:

    Too cute?

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  51. Sober Swedes can be painful to be around. I’ve to family Christenings that were as flat as a major depressive’s affect. Zero reactivity until booze came to the rescue.

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    Bergman's masterpiece "Fanny and Alexander" might be seen as reinforcing your position...
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  52. “The addenda [plural noun] … limits [singular verb] beer to closed cans.”
    Huh? Beer is allowed, but only inside sealed metal containers? This makes no sense, grammatically or bibulously.

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  53. @FRJ
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think you're neglecting an HBD-aspect here. Some people, eg large numbers of American Indians and Swedes, are just predisposed to binge drink and can't have a healthy relationship with alcohol no matter how it's introduced.

    The appropriate legal drinking age probably ranges from 0 to 99 depending on what group of people you are talking about.

    “Some people, eg large numbers of American Indians and Swedes, are just predisposed to binge drink and can’t have a healthy relationship with alcohol no matter how it’s introduced.

    The appropriate legal drinking age probably ranges from 0 to 99 depending on what group of people you are talking about.”

    The appropriate legal drinking age is 18, at a maximum, the age of majority.

    Formulating laws “because science” or “9 of 10 sociologists agree…” has led to all sorts of mischief and judicial activism.

    ’tis a slippery slope, so seems best, IMO, to stick to principle and pursuit of justice, not expediency in formulating laws.

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  54. @Busby
    Grain alcohol and rain water.

    POE

    If the idea is to lessen how often teenage girls get super drunk, then ban fancy mixed drinks and wine, and allow only beer and vodka.

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    If the idea is to lessen how often teenage girls get super drunk, then ban fancy mixed drinks and wine, and allow only beer and vodka.

    Kids in the Hall - Girl Drink Drunk
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  55. @Steve Sailer
    If the idea is to lessen how often teenage girls get super drunk, then ban fancy mixed drinks and wine, and allow only beer and vodka.

    If the idea is to lessen how often teenage girls get super drunk, then ban fancy mixed drinks and wine, and allow only beer and vodka.

    Kids in the Hall – Girl Drink Drunk

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  56. @Steve Sailer
    When I was in Moscow in 2001 for a science conference, the alcoholics passed out in the street were clutching vodka bottles, while the high-functioning college students drank beer.

    From the movie script for Under the Volcano:

    I think- I think I will only drink beer today on our outing.

    Chin. Chin.

    There’s nothing like…beer- [ Coughs ] beer to straighten one out. -You know?

    - Mm-hmm.

    -And then -

    - Uh-huh, uh-huh.

    Then go back to the strychnine.

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  57. @Buzz Mohawk

    "Does anyone still watch TV?"
     
    Philo Farnsworth, the inventor of television, said he didn't watch it, because there was nothing to watch. So it's kind of always been this way.

    TV is transitioning to a la carte internet viewing, which will enable us to go directly to our Breaking Bad middle-brow fun, and leaving cable channels for low-brow advertising to the groundlings.

    Really, some of us are finding it harder and harder to look at normal channels for more than a few minutes. Same for most movies.

    Thank goodness there will always be good things one has not read yet.

    I shot my TV set, literally, when I was 17 years old and never looked back. My lack of pop culture references to fall back on in a conversation makes it a quick study to see if someone’s actually worth talking to.

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  58. “civil rights re-enactors;”

    I love that. Really, really good. That deserves to become a household shame.

    The best way to reduce drinking might be to make pure vodka the only choice.

    If you chill (decent) vodka it barely has any taste.

    I kind of like that idea of vodka and water as the only drink.

    I think pure-grain alcohol and distilled water, or rainwater, works best.

    I see Buzz beat me to it.

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    Not vodka, gin.
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  59. Steve,

    You need to coin a new word go accompany “Frontlash” and “Megaphonics”, to describe the immunity granted to the most incompetent or even reprehensible journalists as long as they are shameless indefatigable promoters of Cultural Marxist Media “CMM” narratives.

    Something that reminding one of tireless Michael Palin in Monty Python’s Dead Parrot sketch.

    In fact “Dead Parroting” might be a candidate. It is a rather fresh phrase with only 736 google hits.

    But it should perhaps also remind one of the true masters of “Dead Parroting” , none other than CNN’s Jeffery Toobin. Toobin has been a leading conductor of one journalistic train wreck after another for the last 20 years and he somehow still has a job. On top of that Toobin has lead a truly disgusting lifestyle that should have ended his career if any of the professional feminists in the media had been paying attention.

    The NYT’s David Carr is a another master of Dead Parroting who has keeps surviving one wave of layoffs after another in spite of being a former crack head who inflicted true mayhem upon others.

    So maybe “Dead Parrot Master” might be a variation on the term.

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  60. @Svigor

    “civil rights re-enactors;”
     
    I love that. Really, really good. That deserves to become a household shame.

    The best way to reduce drinking might be to make pure vodka the only choice.
     
    If you chill (decent) vodka it barely has any taste.

    I kind of like that idea of vodka and water as the only drink.
     
    I think pure-grain alcohol and distilled water, or rainwater, works best.

    I see Buzz beat me to it.

    Not vodka, gin.

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  61. Thinking back, I can’t believe the sweet stuff I drank in my 20s: creme de menthe, Bailey’s Irish Cream, Kahlua.

    My father always ordered a gin and tonic. I couldn’t understand how he could stand the taste.

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  62. The award for most dishonest coverage goes to …. [drumroll] … NPR. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/12/376752598/u-va-reinstates-fraternity-accused-in-rolling-stone-rape-story

    NPR says

    In announcing the news, the university said police in that Charlottesville, Va., haven’t been able to confirm accusations involving the fraternity in the November 2014 article.

    “Haven’t been able to confirm.” No mention at all of the overwhelming evidence that the accusations were actually false. In NPR-land, the evidence just fell a little short of “confirming” the accusations. These things are so hard to prove conclusively, you know.

    How does NPR deal with the all the facts they don’t want to acknowledge?

    Rolling Stone published a statement in December, saying the magazine should have worked harder to get “the other side of the story.” And as NPR previously reported: “On Dec. 5, after doubts were raised about the article, Rolling Stone walked back some of the assertions in the story, and it said it had ‘come to the conclusion that our trust in [Jackie] was misplaced.’ The magazine later deleted that line, saying the mistakes in the story “are on Rolling Stone, not on Jackie.”

    In NPR-land, Rolling Stone made some teeny tiny mistakes. They didn’t “get ‘the other side of the story’”. There are some small, nit-picky, doubts that NPR doesn’t want to bother you with. Rolling Stone “walked back some assertions”. Originally, Rolling Stone thought their “trust in Jackie was misplaced”, but they later retracted even that modest little hint that Jackie might have not been 100% truthful. Oh no, banish the thought! The mistakes were actually by Rolling Stone. Suggesting anything negative about Jackie would be in such poor taste, like breaking wind in the drawing room at tea-time. Well-bred people simply don’t do such things.

    The comments on the NPR article are 95% anti-NPR.

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  63. You folks have it all wrong about Vodka, it’s not just for hard drinkers anymore.

    Nowadays the number of flavored Vodkas has exploded, partly to attract the young female and black consumer. And many of these flavored vodkas are still clear in color, so that it’s not always obvious that you’re drinking a “gimmicky” flavored vodka. Also, the liquor producers are making extra $$ margin being able to get away with reducing the alcohol content to 30-35% and supplanting that volume with cheap syrup. Even Grey Goose has blasphemed themselves by putting out orange, Le Melon and black cherry flavors.

    3 Olives has at least 15 flavors that I can name off the top of my head, including these:

    loopy (tastes like fruit loops)
    dude (tastes like Mello Yello)
    bubble gum
    cake
    Marilyn Monroe strawberry
    pomegranate
    whipped cream
    s’mores

    All of the under 25 women have a “pet” vodka flavor that they like. About the only time I see youngish women drinking “straight” vodka is if they order a red bull and vodka and just accept whatever house/well vodka is delivered in that concoction.

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  64. I just want to point out how insidious the editorial supervision is at the NYT. Look at the headline (typically written by the editor): it’s impossible to distinguish whether the reinstatement went forward BECAUSE OF the members’ innocence, or IN SPITE OF their guilt. The awkwardly-worded lead gives the same ambiguous impression, where “allegations” “unraveled” could easily be taken to mean something like a botched prosecution.

    The result is that the naive reader scanning the headlines and lead paragraphs is arguably being misled, and at the least receives nothing in the way of useful information on the real UVA story. No serious editor would tolerate that level of ineptitude in the basic function of journalism. Which validates the comment way above that the NYT is a propaganda outfit. And it’s hardly alone.

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  65. I’ve never tasted gin, believe it or not. One hears things, and there’s always something else to be had.

    UVa could just mandate rotgut Vodka. Popov hangover is no joke.

    Sweet booze, most of that was in the teen years when you drink what you can get. Peppermint schnapps, some peach crap I can’t remember the name of, etc.

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  66. @Prof. Woland
    What type of parent(singular) would name her son Haven? It would have to either be a trailer trash single mommy naming him after a character in a daytime soap opera in or a gender feminist intent on non-surgical castration of the only male left in her household. If there was a dad in the household at the time of his naming it could only happen if that was a last name in the family tree but with a non-WASPy last name like Monahan, I think it's a very long shot indeed.

    I knew a Jewish guy named Haven once. It seemed to be considered a cool name. I never knew where it came from but there was certainly no stigma attached and he was quite like a rock star in many ways. Many ways.

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  67. @Twinkie

    And then they put me in a bag and took me to the office of CNN and raped me for 5 more hrs with the CNN staff
     
    There is a hole in your story, sister. Everyone knows that everyone is gay at CNN and cannot possibly rape a woman.

    who says Hannah is a woman. You can never assume anything from names anymore.

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    who says Hannah is a woman. You can never assume anything from names anymore.
     
    Hannah is who she says she is. Physical attributes are immaterial. When in doubt, always assume "she" like David Brooks does.
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  68. @dcite
    who says Hannah is a woman. You can never assume anything from names anymore.

    who says Hannah is a woman. You can never assume anything from names anymore.

    Hannah is who she says she is. Physical attributes are immaterial. When in doubt, always assume “she” like David Brooks does.

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  69. I tell y’alls how to prevent alcoholism in your children. Get ‘em hooked on Bordeaux early on (I started to give some sips to my kids starting about age 2).

    They won’t drink anything else and they won’t be able to afford much of it until they make their own money. Until then, they have to drink with their parents.

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    I tell y’alls how to prevent alcoholism in your children. Get ‘em hooked on Bordeaux early on (I started to give some sips to my kids starting about age 2).

    They won’t drink anything else and they won’t be able to afford much of it until they make their own money. Until then, they have to drink with their parents.

     

    Chateau David at $10 is not much more expensive than a six-pack of beer, and Roy Charles at $9 is also a good deal.
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  70. @Steve Sailer
    I kind of like that idea of vodka and water as the only drink.

    Cheap Scotch. Water optional. No college girl will drink cheap Scotch.

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    Nor expensive scotch, either.
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  71. @Jay
    Sober Swedes can be painful to be around. I've to family Christenings that were as flat as a major depressive's affect. Zero reactivity until booze came to the rescue.

    Bergman’s masterpiece “Fanny and Alexander” might be seen as reinforcing your position…

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  72. Has anyone seen anything about Jackie Coakley recently? Is she home with the ‘rents? Back at school? I Google her name every week or two but it’s been a while since I’ve seen anything new about her.

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  73. @cthulhu
    Cheap Scotch. Water optional. No college girl will drink cheap Scotch.

    Nor expensive scotch, either.

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  74. […] Just a reminder, there are no consequences for lying journalists. […]

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  75. @Twinkie
    I tell y'alls how to prevent alcoholism in your children. Get 'em hooked on Bordeaux early on (I started to give some sips to my kids starting about age 2).

    They won't drink anything else and they won't be able to afford much of it until they make their own money. Until then, they have to drink with their parents.

    I tell y’alls how to prevent alcoholism in your children. Get ‘em hooked on Bordeaux early on (I started to give some sips to my kids starting about age 2).

    They won’t drink anything else and they won’t be able to afford much of it until they make their own money. Until then, they have to drink with their parents.

    Chateau David at $10 is not much more expensive than a six-pack of beer, and Roy Charles at $9 is also a good deal.

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  76. @Anon
    Oldie but goodie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbfKzXa6pjg

    Thanks for posting that MSNBC clip. Leftist mental choreography at its best.

    The way they play off each other. The arch facial expressions.

    Kabuki for the 21st Century.

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  77. @BB753
    The NYT is not in the business of reporting news. Their job is propaganda and I have to say they're very good at it.

    No, the situation is much worse rhan that. The NYT, NPR, BBC, Washington Post,Rolling Stone, etc., are in the business of both reporting news and spreading propaganda, and the reporters may not always be 100% clear which one they’re doing. This is bad, because sometimes, they’re the best available sources of information about something–all those news sources have done some really first-rate reporting. You have to take what they say with some skepticism, consider their angle and their biases and their incentives, but they still have good information sometimes–often, the best available information on some subject where they’re paying someone to report stuff that hardly anyone else is paying attention to.

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