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From the New York Times today:

Why White Supremacists Are Chugging Milk (and Why Geneticists Are Alarmed)

By Amy Harmon
Oct. 17, 2018

Amy Harmon is a national correspondent covering the intersection of science and society. She has won two Pulitzer Prizes, for her series “The DNA Age,” and as part of a team for the series “How Race Is Lived in America.” Follow her on Twitter @amy_harmon

One of the many HateGraphs published in the NYT today to show how evil white supremacists are using facts, logic, and science.

Nowhere on the agenda of the annual meeting of the American Society of Human Genetics, being held in San Diego this week, is a topic plaguing many of its members: the recurring appropriation of the field’s research in the name of white supremacy.

“Sticking your neck out on political issues is difficult,” said Jennifer Wagner, a bioethicist and president of the group’s social issues committee, who had sought to convene a panel on the racist misuse of genetics and found little traction.

I will put in bold all words like “misconception” and “distortion” so you can know what is Goodthink. (Otherwise, you might, almost, get the impression that Ms. Harmon is trolling the Goodthinkers by dumping a lot of politically incorrect science on them in the guise of deploring what the Badthinkers are up to.)

But the specter of the field’s ignominious past, which includes support for the American eugenics movement, looms large for many geneticists in light of today’s white identity politics. They also worry about how new tools that are allowing them to home in on the genetic basis of hot-button traits like intelligence will be misconstrued to fit racist ideologies.

In recent months, some scientists have spotted distortions of their own academic papers in far-right internet forums. Others have fielded confused queries about claims of white superiority wrapped in the jargon of human genetics. Misconceptions about how genes factor into America’s stark racial disparities have surfaced in the nation’s increasingly heated arguments over school achievement gaps, immigration and policing.

Instead of long-discounted proxies like skull circumference and family pedigrees, according to experts who track the far-right, today’s proponents of racial hierarchy are making their case by misinterpreting research on the human genome itself. And in debates that have largely been limited to ivory-tower forums, the scientists whose job is to mine humanity’s genetic variations for the collective good are grappling with how to respond. …

One slide Dr. Novembre has folded into his recent talks depicts a group of white nationalists chugging milk at a 2017 gathering to draw attention to a genetic trait known to be more common in white people than others — the ability to digest lactose as adults. It also shows a social media post from an account called “Enter The Milk Zone” with a map lifted from a scientific journal article on the trait’s evolutionary history.

In most of the world, the article explains, the gene that allows for the digestion of lactose switches off after childhood. But with the arrival of the first cattle herders in Europe some 5,000 years ago, a chance mutation that left it turned on provided enough of a nutritional leg up that nearly all of those who survived eventually carried it. In the post, the link is accompanied by a snippet of hate speech urging individuals of African ancestry to leave America. “If you can’t drink milk,” it says in part, “you have to go back.”

In an inconvenient truth for white supremacists, a similar bit of evolution turns out to have occurred among cattle breeders in East Africa.

Checkmate, racists!

Scientists need to be more aware of the racial lens through which some of their basic findings are being filtered, Dr. Novembre says, and do a better job at pointing out how they can be twisted.

But the white nationalist infatuation with dairy also heightened Dr. Novembre’s concerns about how to handle new evolutionary studies that deal with behavioral traits, such as how long people stay in school.

Anticipating misinterpretations of a recent study on how genes associated with high education attainment, identified in Europeans, varied in different populations around the world, the lead author, Fernando Racimo, created his own “frequently asked questions” document for nonscientists, which he posted on Twitter.

Racimo has come up with a hypothesis somewhat similar to that of David Piffer’s that we can already guess the findings of the next decade or so of racial genomics research by looking at the genetic-driven traits already discovered to have been under different selection pressures among different populations and assume that we will discover more such DNA to have been selected for by the same selection pressures.

I find that theory interesting, but I’m also perfectly happy to wait out the decade or whatever it will take to find out for sure through ever more accurate huge sample size brute force genomic studies. For instance, we saw the first one million sample size study of the genetic correlates of educational attainment published in July.

The Racimo-Piffer theory might turn out to be a brilliant shortcut, or it might turn out to be mostly wrong because, for example, it could be that blacks are so different from whites genetically that studying how white genomes work doesn’t tell you much about how black genomes work. (That would be ironic.)

For example, if I recall correctly (and I may not), Pygmies appear to be short for genetic reasons that aren’t particularly similar to the genetic reasons why short Europeans are shorter than tall Europeans.

The genetics of height, while still complicated, appears to be much simpler than the genetics of intelligence, so height will likely provide us with possible examples of the various natures of racial differences before IQ gets wholly unraveled (if it ever does).

Anyway, time will tell.

And in a commentary that accompanied the paper in the journal Genetics, Dr. Novembre warned that such research is “wrapped in numerous caveats” that are likely to get lost in translation.

I linked to Dr. Novembre’s commentary in my iSteve blog last May.

“Great care,” his commentary concludes, “should be taken in communicating results of these studies to general audiences.”

As I blogged in response, endorsing Novembre’s caution, “This seems like a pretty reasonable way to proceed.” On the other hand, it’s important that the public keeps an eye out for explicit or tacit agreements among scientists not to investigate major questions, such as the genetics of racial differences in intelligence, for reasons of political correctness.

For example, the Cochran-Harpending theory of why Ashkenazi IQs are high on average, has, to my third hand awareness, been seriously proposed as the subject of a medical study three times, with each time the study getting called off before it began for fear that the results, whatever they might turn out to be, would be politically unpopular.

Back to the NYT:

Already, some of those audiences are flaunting DNA ancestry test results indicating exclusively European heritage as though they were racial ID cards. They are celebrating traces of Neanderthal DNA not found in people with only African ancestry. And they are trading messages with the coded term “race realism,” which takes oxygen from the claim that the liberal scientific establishment has obscured the truth about biological racial differences.

Some scientists suggest that engaging with racists would simply lend credibility to obviously specious claims. Many say that they do not study race, in any case: The racial categories used by the United States census correlate only imperfectly with the geographic ancestry groupings of interest to evolutionary geneticists. “Black,” for instance, is a socially defined term that includes many Americans who have a majority of European ancestry.

Of course, what that means is the opposite of what poor NYT subscribers assume it means: In reality, the average traits of self-identified blacks, including, for example, Democratic candidate for governor of Maryland, Ben Jealous, who looks more like a golfer than a cornerback, are going to be less distinctive in behavior from whites than if only blacks who are genetically highly black are studied.

For example, the last 64 finalists in the Olympic 100m dash going back through 1984 have all been socially identified as black. Judging from their pictures, only a small handful (such as Frankie Fredericks and Jimmy Vicaut) appear to have had much white admixture.

But as the pace of human population genetics research has accelerated, it has yielded results that, to many nonscientists, appear to challenge the idea of race as a wholly social construction. Genetic ancestry tests advertise “ethnicity estimates” (Senator Elizabeth Warren appealed to the perceived authority of DNA this week to demonstrate her Native American heritage, in response to mocking by President Trump), and some disease-risk genes have turned out to be more common among certain genetic ancestry groups. Doctors use patients’ self-identified race as a proxy for geographic ancestry, because individual readouts of DNA are costly, and though the correlation is imperfect, it exists.

As DNA databases tied to medical records and personal questionnaires have reached a critical mass for individuals of European descent, moreover, so-called polygenic scores that synthesize the hundreds or thousands of genes that contribute to many human traits into a single number are being developed to predict health risks, and in some cases, behavior.

Last summer, researchers developed a score that can roughly predict the level of formal education completed by white Americans by looking at their DNA. And while those scores cannot yet be compared among racial or population groups, the new techniques have prompted some scientists to feel it is the field’s responsibility to head off predictable misrepresentations.

“You have to make a judgment when you have powerful information that can be misused,” said David Reich, a Harvard geneticist who has publicly called on colleagues in a recent book and in a New York Times Op-Ed to more directly address the prospect of identifying genetic differences between populations in socially sensitive traits.

There is no evidence, scientists stress, that environmental and cultural differences will not turn out to be the primary driver of behavioral differences between population groups.

At the same time, the advances in genetic technology have put white supremacists into a kind of anticipatory lather.

“Science is on our side,” crowed Jared Taylor, the founder of the white nationalist group American Renaissance, in a recent video that cites Dr. Reich’s book.

Dr. Reich was among those to decline an invitation to lead a discussion on the topic at the San Diego meeting. “I really wanted to return to research,” he said.

The widespread uncertainty among Americans over what scientists know about genetic differences between racial groups, experts say, has left many flummoxed in the face of white supremacist claims that invoke genetics. …

And when a blogger at the far-right Unz Review noted that the DNA variations associated with high IQ in a 2017 study of Europeans were at the lowest frequency among Africans,

No link is given (must protect readers’ innocent eyes), so I don’t know whether that was me, Anatoly, or Dr. James.

the study’s lead author, Danielle Posthuma, wrote in a published reply that such cross-population comparisons were spurious.

Although I’ve mentioned Dr. Posthuma’s name frequently, I’ve been cautious about letting the published papers speak for themselves. We will know more about genetic racial differences and their relation to IQ and educational attainment, if any, with a higher degree of certainty soon enough, so I’m content to wait.

“This,” she wrote, “is a very deep-rooted misunderstanding.”

Update: Although the NYT would not provide a link, that was the Unz Review blog post “Comments on Piffer from Prof Posthuma” by Dr. James Thompson of University College London.

Back to the NYT:

Many geneticists at the top of their field say they do not have the ability to communicate to a general audience on such a complicated and fraught topic. Some suggest journalists might take up the task. Several declined to speak on the record for this story.

And with much still unknown, some scientists worry that rebutting basic misconceptions without being able to provide definitive answers could do more harm than good.

And so forth and so on. A most interesting article

By the way, here’s Ms. Harmon’s 2007 NYT article “In DNA Era, New Worries About Prejudice” about what’s happening now that “genetic information is slipping out of the laboratory and into everyday life, carrying with it the inescapable message that people of different races have different DNA.”

 
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  1. J.Ross says: • Website

    >the far-right Unz review
    Modren dzûrnımalism, ladies and gentlemen. Of course the poor dear doesn’t know how to characterize diversity that goes past skin color and understands the word “right” to merely signify “wrong.” Good thing marijuana is being made more available.
    ——-
    Yet another Onion headline that should be true:
    Trump says the only way to find out what happened in the Saudi consulate in Turkey is to send in more journalists one at a time.

    https://politics.theonion.com/trump-the-only-way-to-find-out-what-happened-at-the-s-1829814925

    • LOL: JMcG
  2. BenKenobi says:

    How many years late is this article to the “chugging milk” meme?

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
  3. Anon7 says:

    Thanks to the NYT, we’ve flipped all those “Got Milk?” t-shirts, billboards, commercials, hollywood celebrity endorsements. Speaking of which:

    Now see what our neighbors to the south will do to fit in:

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  4. eah says:

    “fringe group” — Naturalization Act of 1790 — “deep divisions” — ‘Diversity is Strength’ — reading the replies to this ‘Today’ tweet shows why the NPC meme has really taken off.

  5. “Why I Stopped Driving with My Headlights On When It’s ‘Dark’ Out:

    Dawn and dusk show us that, as with so-called ‘races’, there is no clear, simplistic binary between ‘day’ and ‘night’. My conscience will not allow me to give comfort to white supremacists by pretending otherwise.”

  6. This is all very reminiscent of Robert Putnam’s reluctance to publish his findings on diversity because people might get the wrong idea. It was much easier to suppress BadThink when only the MSM had the megaphone, and there was no pesky Internet where people could talk about Bad Things. But I am sure the FANGs are working to restore the correct balance of thought.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2011/10/diversity_destr_2/

    • Replies: @istevefan
  7. Charizard says:

    As fun as it is to see new scientific findings that contradict the moral orthodoxy, it ultimately won’t matter. No amount of evidence will suffice.

    Consider, for instance, how much evidence there is for biological sex differences, or for the validity of IQ, or for innate personality differences between individuals. And consider how little any of these findings have altered the mainstream discourse around, say, the gender wage gap, or the education system.

    What I’m saying is, we’re doomed.

  8. pyrrhus says:

    “genetic information is slipping out of the laboratory and into everyday life, carrying with it the inescapable message that people of different races have different DNA.”

    She’s frightened by the horrid threat of genetic information “slipping” out of the laboratory informing Normies that different races have some different DNA! Tells you everything you need to know about American Academia and the Leftist propaganda machine.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Forbes
    , @Them Guys
  9. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT The Honduran reboot of the human wave reminder that we still have no wall has been filmed receiving an organized disbursement of cash.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Them Guys
  10. Steve, did you see the piece in the latest New Yorker by Masha Gessen? It’s basically a perverted copy of one of your recent posts, from the other side of the Looking Glass:

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/elizabeth-warren-falls-for-trumps-trap-and-promotes-insidious-ideas-about-race-and-dna

    Your post:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/media-falls-for-trumps-trap-on-warren/

    Gessen’s column puts on full display the kind of scientific illiteracy and logical incoherence we have come to expect of The New Yorker.

  11. In the Olden Days….the research papers of hyper-educated geneticists weren’t needed to ascertain racial tribal membership. Gut-level-racial-tribal-instincts were more than sufficient. This is why, and how, Europeans were able to lay claim to North America.

    Something deep down inside of me tells me that The upcomming you-know-what-war over the very scarce LIVING AND BREEDING space within the borders of America between the majority non-white Democratic Party Voting Bloc and the Historic Native Born White American Majority Nation won’t be peacefully ajudicated by quoting the research of Robert Plomin……….do you see what I’m getting at?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  12. Jack D says:

    Lactose is a dangerous poison that is naturally present in milk (like the cyanide in manioc). A few white people happen to be immune from this poison, but the best thing would be just to ban this dangerous product unless the poison was first removed from it. I’m sure there are many people of color who have accidentally ingested this product and suffered from lactose poisoning – perhaps they are new immigrants and unable to read labels in English. Just a small addition of the lactase enzyme to each quart of milk would allow dairy producers to detoxify their product for the sake of public health. We already mandate the addition of Vitamin D to milk even though not everyone needs it.

    Banning lactose bearing milk would also have the beneficial side effect of making these racist public milk drinking demonstrations pointless.

  13. Svigor says:

    You missed one:

    claims of white superiority

    Definitely goodthink, because only goodthinkers talk about it. Race-realists, even white nationalist ones, are pretty rigorous. And “superiority” isn’t a rigorous term as goodthinkers use it, which is precisely why goodthinkers use it, and race-realists don’t.

    “If you can’t drink milk,” it says in part, “you have to go back.”

    In an inconvenient truth for white supremacists, a similar bit of evolution turns out to have occurred among cattle breeders in East Africa.

    Other people have to go back, too.

    Checkmate, bigots!

    Some scientists suggest that engaging with racists would simply lend credibility to obviously specious claims.

    They’re right (obviously specious = “unpc”). We hand them their pedigreed asses, and NPCs go, “hmmmmmmmm.”

  14. Daniel H says:

    >>Instead of long-discounted proxies like skull circumference and family pedigrees….

    Discounted, but not discredited.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  15. anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    “Climate science” leaving the laboratory: doubleplusgood
    “Race science” leaving the laboratory: doubleplusungood

    • Replies: @Jack D
  16. Jack D says:
    @Wilbur Hassenfus

    I’ve heard that white supremacists are driving with their headlights on as a secret endorsement of white supremacy. Don’t play into their hands. Always kneel for the national anthem and NEVER drive with your headlights on, day or night.

    Please repost this on social media! Spread the word. LIGHTS OUT ON WHITE SUPREMITY!

    • Agree: Svigor
    • Replies: @Them Guys
  17. Jack D says:
    @pyrrhus

    Scientist need to go back to working in Latin or using mirror writing or secret codes. Giving the peasants access to such dangerous knowledge was a mistake.

  18. Has it occurred to the author of the piece that most blacks in the Western Hemisphere are from West, not East Africa?

  19. Jack D says:
    @candid_observer

    The sad thing is that The New Yorker was once famous for its fact checking department. Now it’s infamous:

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/06/new-yorker-fact-checker-ice-tweet-resignation.html

  20. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:

    Debating whether to read an article by someone whose beat description includes the word intersection

    • Replies: @D. K.
  21. And we wonder why our greatest “innovations” are 99% gay electronic toys in the past decade. So much energy is spent navigating good thinking that there ain’t any left to actually innovate.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  22. @J.Ross

    Maybe the Republican National Committee is handing out the cash in Honduras to march north in time for the elections?

    • LOL: Luke Lea
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @J.Ross
    , @Travis
    , @Anon
  23. Jack D says:
    @anon

    When genetic science leaves the lab it gets MISconstrued, MISinterpreted, MISused, MISconceived and various other mis-es.

    When the Left uses climate science to tell us that we have to go back to living a pre-Industrial Revolution lifestyle, they don’t mis- a thing.

  24. bomag says:

    Have no fear, there’s Chanda Chisala and a cohort of West African commenters that assure us genetics show that African ancestry is at least as smart; often smarter; and a great deal of the time WAY SMARTER than the rest of the world. Further research will only strengthen this conclusion, so bring it on.

    When this truth finally leaks out, a megaphone will be strapped to the heads of every white person to remind them of this 24/7.

    tiny duck approves of this message.

  25. The NYT is fouling its trousers these days. They’re kinda dumb — and seemingly proud of it.

    Example: In Central Asian places, Kumis is a traditional drink. Fermented, but not of high alcoholic content. The old school stuff was made by shaking an oddly shaped leather bladder, full of mare’s milk, ~1000 times. Very organic :)

    I’m proud that I’ve drunk both horse- and camel-milk kumis. It’s not bad, really.

    A very well-traveled Turk once told me that milk was the safest nourishment, no matter where one finds oneself.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  26. ‘… In reality, the average traits of self-identified blacks, including, for example, Democratic candidate for governor of Maryland, Ben Jealous, who looks more like a golfer than a cornerback, are going to be less distinctive from whites than if only blacks who are genetically highly black are studied…’

    People who are ‘genetically highly black’ don’t wind up being governors and such in the first place.

    As a rule, their brains are just too small. For example, if some ‘black’ winds up commenting on this post, odds are he’ll be at least half white. Very few pure blacks are going to be intelligent enough to comfortably surf the literate parts of the web.

    …and that’s the way it is, folks. Look around you.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @Lids
    , @Okechukwu
  27. Jefferson says:

    “In reality, the average traits of self-identified blacks, including, for example, Democratic candidate for governor of Maryland, Ben Jealous, who looks more like a golfer than a cornerback,”

    Benjamin Jealous looks like an overweight Vince Vaughn. He’s the least Black person to run the NAACP since Walter Francis White.

  28. https://startingstrength.com/article/a_clarification

    I guess this means Mark Rippetoe and all Starting Strength adherents are racist…

  29. D. K. says:
    @Anon

    Why, was her readily apparent brain damage caused by her crossing an intersection against the light?

  30. Alfa158 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    That seems like a more plausible explanation.

  31. Jefferson says:

    Most Asians can not consume dairy that is why they do not use real milk at boba tea shops and instead use soy, so maybe milk is Literally Hitler if most Asians get instant diarrhea if they consume it.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @orionyx
  32. @Charizard

    “…we’re doomed”

    spoken like a True Conservative. Actually,

    you are doomed. As to the rest of us,

    I don’t presume to say.

  33. Alfa158 says:

    “There is no evidence, scientists stress, that environmental and cultural differences will not turn out to be the primary driver of behavioral differences between population groups.”

    There is also no evidence that it will not turn out that my birth certificate was falsified, and I was actually born in Tierra Del Fuego.

    Either these “scientists” are ignorant of the scientific method or they know how to keep their jobs.

    • Replies: @megabar
  34. trelane says:

    Dr. Novembre and Prof. Racimo? What is this an Albert Broccoli directed adaptation of an Ian Fleming novel?

    • LOL: Liza
    • Replies: @slumber_j
  35. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    The guy handing out the money is Plaxicoing a pistol and has a gang-compatible haircut.
    The last wave was just let in without a fight, right?
    I get that they want martyrs, but if we could swoop in and arrest them all without any telegenic pools of blood, that would be ideal.

    • Replies: @Liza
  36. “No link is given (must protect readers’ innocent eyes), so I don’t know whether that was me, Anatoly, or Dr. James.”

    I think James Thompson might have posted my graph of ethnic average polygenic scores for education attainment, but I created it, and Harmon posted it without attribution or making contact with me in any way. I know it is fashionable among geneticists to say that population substructure makes those comparisons illegitimate, but 1) the correlation is a massive 0.9, 2) genetic distance does not explain the order of the averages, 3) studies that criticize the methodology tend to look at traits in which whites have high scores and use imputation to exaggerate population substructure problems. My graph shows Asians have the highest polygenic scores. Imputation isn’t necessary with 1000 Genomes data because the database is so complete. I found a high correlation for the same type of graph for height, but the liberal geneticists created a graph in which white and black bell curves don’t overlap. If I had time, I could create a similar graph, and I’m sure the bell curves would overlap. They do for education attainment.

    If polygenic scores “don’t work” for minorities, then they will suffer from lost opportunities in diagnostics, embryo selection, and drug development. If scientists assume they don’t work inappropriately, then minorities will suffer unnecessarily.

    • Replies: @phil
  37. Travis says:
    @Steve Sailer

    its the Russians again. Kremlin operatives have infiltrated the Soros organization to help further the Trump agenda.

  38. Nowhere on the agenda of the annual meeting of the American Society of Human Genetics, being held in San Diego this week, is a topic plaguing many of its members: the recurring appropriation of the field’s research in the name of white supremacy.

    It’s even worse in physics. Anyone knows that the laws of physics can be used to make a gun. But the physicists just refuse to face facts. It’s all quark this and lepton that. We’re way overdue for a serious discussion about who should be allowed to learn science.

  39. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Evil Racist White Supremeist Drumpf reduces poor black and brown meatpackers into penury

    (Bloomberg) — On any given Monday, America’s biggest supplier of ground beef has 1,000 jobs unfilled, pushing Cargill Inc. to aggressively sweeten the pot on benefits to retain existing workers and hire new ones.
    The openings, largely at the meatpacker level, are the result of the Trump administration’s tough stand on immigration and a U.S. unemployment rate reaching decade lows. While the number represents less than 1 percent of Cargill’s work force, the shortage is slowing output and hindering production of new higher-margin products, executives say.
    With global demand for meat rising in a robust economy, Cargill and other industry leaders say the need to expand gives them little choice but to boost worker benefits — with added pay in some cases, as well as new housing, health care and busing incentives.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-000-unfilled-jobs-forcing-110000283.html

  40. Tiny Duck says:

    Things would be so much easier if whites didn’t exist.

    People of Color (Asians jews, blacks latino muslims) get along great with each other

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date and procreate with Males of Color

  41. Coemgen says:
    @Jack D

    In a room full of white people I am “the white guy” and you would definitely not want to be downwind of me if I’ve been drinking cows’ milk.

    It takes all type to make a world.

    Globalism uber alles!

  42. Dtbb says:

    Reading these “goodthinkers” is excruciatingly difficult. Nothing is clear and concise. Steve, you’re a fine writer, how hard is it to write these types of articles?

  43. Tom-in-VA says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/sports/nba-top-100-players-2018/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5c8e3a6cbf11

    Somewhat OT: a graphic of the top 100 NBA players, as picked by the Washington Post’s top basketball reporter. There are even a few white guys in it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  44. Ron Unz says:

    And when a blogger at the far-right Unz Review noted that the DNA variations associated with high IQ in a 2017 study of Europeans were at the lowest frequency among Africans,

    No link is given (must protect readers’ innocent eyes), so I don’t know whether that was me, Anatoly, or Dr. James.

    Too bad about the lack of a link, but maybe some of the NYT readers got curious about the reference, and quickly found this “far-right” webzine by Googling it.

    Oddly enough, they discovered that today’s main features were an article by prominent moderate-conservative Andrew Bacevich promoting Elizabeth Warren’s presidential campaign and a piece republished from the Trotskyite-Marxist World Socialist Website denouncing Internet censorship by the corporate elites. Moreover, one of yesterday’s main features was by a longtime leftist antiwar activist denouncing the US-backed Yemen war. Presumably, the NYT readers were quite, quite confused.

    I think it’s perfectly correct to characterize The Review as “Far Right.” But a more complete and accurate description would be “Far Right and Far Left”…

  45. @Tom-in-VA

    What proportion of white NBA players have names ending in “ic”?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Muse
  46. What is it with Jennifers?

    The ones born in the 1950s were by-and-large alright, as they probably had more literate parents. But there’s been a whole wave of post-Love Story ones that are causing trouble in the world that only ditzes can cause. God help us should a Jennifer be elected president. (The most successful one in politics so far, Gov Granholm of Michigan, is a native of Canada and thus disqualified. But there’ll be more.)

    The name was never heard outside of Cornwall before George Bernard Shaw used it in a play. All those 19th-century Jennys you come across were from Jane.

  47. @Redneck farmer

    They don’t care, just like the British lefties who think the existence of North African skeletons from the Roman era Britain proves there were black people in Britain when the Romans ran the place. Ironically the only black President is East African, not West African who constitute probably 99.9 percent plus or more of the US black population.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anon
  48. @Steve Sailer

    What proportion of white NBA players have names ending in “ic”?

    You could do a skin-tone analysis of that chart. Sherwin-Williams or Pantone could help you.

    A neat study to do would be several years of Brazilian soccer leagues, with each player assigned a number for his tone, or perhaps using the plethora of Portuguese terms for mixed ancestries.

    Then go through all the goals scored, and note the time, or, for a sub, the time since his entry. See how the time charts for each mix compare. Would the dark blacks dominate in the first minutes or each half, and the white guys in those ghost minutes at the end?

  49. @Unladen Swallow

    Ironically the only black President is East African…

    …on one side, and mostly white Southerner on the other.

  50. @Tiny Duck

    Yeah, the I encourage line… is that the 25th time you’ve used that? Jews aren’t white? Really?? you could really inflate your lists of accomplished POC’s if you count Jews, nice try td. Jews get along great with blacks? Latino’s as well, and no one gets along better with blacks than Asians!!! Just ask Korean store owners.

    Asians aren’t white? the lefties screeching at Silicon Valley think they are, no one ever mentions Asians are a lot more common than blacks and Hispanics, they just get lumped with whites when they complain about a lack of diversity in technology. You morons on the left really need to get out a consistent story about who constitutes your coalition.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  51. anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:

    How committed are “leftists” to a “diversity” stance GLOBALLY?

    In what NON WHITE majority countries are we seeing priority for “diversity”, for “antiracism”? For mass immigration from peoples different than the majority population?

    Diversity just means finding ANYTHING white and Chasing Them Down until its ACCEPTABLY non white

    its Anti White!

    • Replies: @Anon
  52. @Redneck farmer

    They don’t care. Africans are all the same for them; poor people they pretend to like in order to show off to other progressive Whites.

  53. Forbes says:
    @pyrrhus

    carrying with it the inescapable message that people of different races have different DNA

    You know, this rings a bell with something discussed around here recently. I recall there was even some national news coverage. I think it had to do with DNA…

    Was it about the genetic findings of a DNA test?

    It’s on the tip of my tongue. Can someone refresh my memory? I’m sure it was important.

  54. Flemur says:

    What a silly article.

    The “milk zone” nonsense consists of a single “4chan” (whatever that is) thread – google:

    ["Enter The Milk Zone" -"Supremacists Are Chugging"]

    –> About 5 results –> 4chan

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  55. @BenKenobi

    Can’t read NYT since I cancelled. Chrome incognito windows unavailable on the iPad.

    But they’re wrong if they say only Europeans have a lactase persistence gene.

    One African tribe independently developed their own (not sure if it’s the same mutation). This tribe is heavily into cattle.

    Check for maps of lactase persistence. You see unusual areas like, if I’m not mistaken, some area in Saudi Arabia.

    It is true that I grew up assuming that drinking milk was a worldwide phenomenon, and was rather surprised to learn that it isn’t.

    Even in Europe, it’s most common (nearly 100%) in the north.

  56. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Horseshoey.
    I would say “horseshoers unite,” but that’d make us ringers …

  57. “Great care,” his commentary concludes, “should be taken in communicating results of these studies to general audiences.”

    Agreed. I, for example, think everybody should have been more careful when reporting on the supposed Blackness of Cheddar Man; yet neither the NYT nor many geneticists seem to agree with me in this case. Curious, huh?

    Here’s their “careful communication” from back then (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/world/europe/uk-cheddar-man-skeleton-skin.html):

    As scientists are retrieving more DNA from ancient Britons, they are discovering how the isles received wave after wave of immigrants over tens of thousands of years

    LOL, “immigrants”. Yeah, back then it was just like now, people “immigrated”, they didn’t invade and kill everyone to grab the land.

    “What may seem a truth — that people who feel British should have white skin — through time it’s not all something that is an immutable truth,” said Yoan Diekmann, a biologist at University College London who took part in the research.

    Somehow, ignoring that Cheddar Man was not British (cuz Britain there was not) and that he has nothing to do with the current non-whites of Britain didn’t sound like a misrepresentation to the NYT.

    • Replies: @FO337
  58. Flemur says:

    And when a blogger at the far-right Unz Review noted [NOTICING ALERT!] that the DNA variations associated with high IQ in a 2017 study of Europeans were at the lowest frequency among Africans, the study’s lead author, Danielle Posthuma, wrote in a published reply that such cross-population comparisons were spurious.

    That sounds like an admission that the “populations” are genetically VERY different from each other, more different than two people from the same “population”.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @L Woods
    , @Anon
  59. @Flemur

    Right. The argument is that the races are so genetically different that what has been learned from studying white genetics simply doesn’t apply to black genetics. That could be true, but it’s kind of unexpected.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
  60. drtomcor says:

    If I ever write with a pen name, “Dr. Novembre” will be the one. So cool!

    And I’ll never lose my accent!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  61. L Woods says:
    @Charizard

    Unfortunately, you’re right (and I already used my agree button).

  62. L Woods says:
    @Flemur

    I caught that as well. But will any NYT readers? Somehow I have my doubts.

  63. Gollios says:

    Wasn’t the chugging white milk meme a 4Chan invention that got a lot of mileage during phase one of the “He Will Not Divide Us” op? And when will journalists figure out how these work? It’s not that hard:

    1. Create funny meme and use it ironically.
    2. Wait for a select population to use it un-ironically. It doesn’t matter if that group is white nationalists or freebleeding feminists.
    3. Watch the press take it completely seriously.
    4. Laugh as the primary target falls for it.

    You’d think at some point the fourth estate would catch on…but they’ve fallen for Pepe the Frog, the OK sign, freebleeding, milk, “It’s ok to be white,” and now seem to be horribly overreacting to being called NPCs.

    Echo chambers are a hell of a drug…

    BTW, I cannot wait until the ho-teps weaponize their memes and start playing the game too. Considering the press reaction to Kanye, we will see some heads explode.

    • Replies: @william munny
  64. FO337 says:
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    “Great care,” his commentary concludes, “should be taken in communicating results of these studies to general audiences.”

    Like the Dead Sea Scrolls! Too fragile to be seen by the General Public.

    People might get the wrong idea. We’ll publish most of them. Really!

    • Replies: @FO337
  65. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    About 20 years ago the White hating liberals were ranting and raving about how racist milk is and how milk and dairy had to be removed from healthy eating and food groups taught in the public schools.

    They hate us, what else is new.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  66. FO337 says:
    @J.Ross

    Is Ron saying he banished the blood-libel and holocaust denial stuff from the front page for now?

  67. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Most nations resulting from imperialism are crazy-diverse.

    Look at Latin America and Indonesia.

  68. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frau Katze

    Growing up I never thought about drinking milk or anything else. Only thing I remember is something about even children drinking low alcohol ale and watered wine instead of unsafe water in the old days

    Everything Whites do is bad and evil so let’s do what we do and to hell with liberals and the NY Slimes.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
  69. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    So the British lefties don’t know that the N Africans of Roman days were Whites

    Sounds like the black Muslims who claim the Moroccans who colonized Spain were African negroes. And that the ethnic Greek Cleopatra and Nefertiti were black. And that blacks were even ancient Chinese royalty

    Then there’s Professor Bernal of Cornell who claimed the ancient Greeks learned everything from African negroes

    That Robin Hood movie with Morgan Freeman is on Netflix now.

  70. ic1000 says:

    Near the article’s end –

    > [Dr. Anna Di Rienzo, a human genetics professor at the University of Chicago,] has helped organize a meeting of social scientists, geneticists and journalists at Harvard next week to discuss the social implications of the field’s newest tools. Participants have been promised that the meeting will be restricted to some three-dozen invitees and that any remarks made there will be confidential.

    Steve, this exclusive, double-secret, invitation-only group has to be a gathering of your old HBD listserv members. Let us know how it goes!

    • Replies: @Anon
  71. @Charizard

    What I’m saying is, we’re doomed.

    No we are not.

    Your time perspective is too short. Reality gets the last word in these matters, and the fact is, liberals have fewer children than those of us identifying as (we-are-not-doomed) conservatives.

    Go back and read John Derbyshire, patron saint of the Eeyore-Private-Hudson brigade, before Brexit and the 2016 Trump victory. And keep in mind, the Eeyore-Private-Hudson brigade is one of the contingents of sappers.

    Whose side are you on? If it our side then stop your self-indulgent sapping. If not, buddy up with Corvinus. He’ll be your BFF right up until you are shipped to the Gulag.

  72. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Cargill’s one of the biggest meat packers in the country. It does commercial meat for restaurant chains schools and factories that produce frozen canned and processed meats.

    They’ve long been known for hiring nothing but illegal aliens. Boo hoo the factories that make ham bacon salami bologna and the rest can’t get enough Cargill pork to keep their own illegals busy.

    Wish I could boycott food the way I boycott liberal media.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  73. Wilkey says:

    Is there any specific nutritional advantage to drinking milk, like vitamins or minerals that are hard to get anywhere else – perhaps calcium? – or was the advantage in milk simply that it was a source of mobile calories, at a time when calories themselves were often in short supply?

    If the latter then perhaps there is no real advantage to drinking milk today.

    Also, dairy cows and chickens probably have to be the most amazing foodsources ever. They provide fresh food every day, and you don’t have to wait months for the food to grow or slaughter the animal to get your meal. In retrospect it’s easy to understand why lactase peristence was such a crucial evolutionary development.

    • Replies: @Hu Mi Yu
  74. “There is no evidence, scientists stress, that environmental and cultural differences will not turn out to be the primary driver of behavioral differences between population groups.”

    Hmm….there is also no evidence that ALIENS will not turn out to be the primary driver of differences between groups…what is the government hiding??!!

  75. @Jack D

    Scientist need to go back to working in Latin or using mirror writing or secret codes. Giving the peasants access to such dangerous knowledge was a mistake.

    Then the Catholic Church was right and Luther was wrong.

  76. @Anon

    With global demand for meat rising in a robust economy, Cargill and other industry leaders say the need to expand gives them little choice but to boost worker benefits — with added pay in some cases, as well as new housing, health care and busing incentives.

    Boosting worker benefits? Who would have guessed it? Well, except for those of us who knew that unrestricted immigration was nothing more than a way for the rich to get richer at the expense of the workers.

  77. @Jack D

    Sorry to say it, Jack, but with your continuing autistically presumptuous attitude you’ll have to go back. Many such cases. Sad! :(

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @FO337
  78. Jack D says:
    @Kibernetika

    In most of the world, before refrigeration it was impossible to keep fresh milk for more than a few hours – you had to process it in some way before it spoiled – turn it into cheese, yogurt, kumis, kefir, etc. Sometime these products would be processed even further to dehydrate and/or salt them more so they would keep even better. The microorganisms that ferment milk live by consuming the lactose so the cultured products have less lactose than fresh milk, an added benefit to lactose intolerant people. (Hard cheeses have almost no lactose remaining).

    The old school stuff was made by shaking an oddly shaped leather bladder, full of mare’s milk, ~1000 times. Very organic :)

    The bladder is oddly shaped because it is an actual bladder from an animal. Originally, you weren’t supposed to shake it, you were supposed to ride with it on your horse all day.

    A very well-traveled Turk once told me that milk was the safest nourishment, no matter where one finds oneself.

    Well maybe if the milk is cultured or pasteurized, but back in the day raw milk was (rightly) considered dangerous. Gail Borden was inspired to invent condensed milk by the children he saw dying around him from drinking unsafe milk.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Kibernetika
  79. @J.Ross

    I would say “horseshoers unite,” but that’d make us ringers …

    Yep, beer-spewing funny! Might only work with those of us who have tossed the shoe. :-)

  80. Glaivester says: • Website

    I suspect no one will appreciate Danielle Posthuma’s contributions to science until after she dies.

    • Replies: @bent
  81. @Ron Unz

    But a more complete and accurate description would be “Far Right and Far Left”…

    Yeah, there are some flat-out Commies you have on here. I’d think the lady from the NY Times would feel right at home. Then you’ve got a few Libertarians. I wouldn’t call the alt-right “far right” at all, either.

    The telling part is that the writer uses the phrase “far-right” for your website to mention an article with an excerpt that is just a science factoid. Is the term “far-right” used there to say “he wrote this, but since he’s far-right, you can ignore that tidbit of badthink.”

    Oh, if I’ve got your attention, I’m using Firefox Quantum 62.0 on Windows 7, and since I changed to this browser, I never see the 5-minute [EDIT] stuff. I’m used to it by now, but just wanted to let you know.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @FO337
  82. Nathan says:

    “Doctors use patients’ self-identified race as a proxy for geographic ancestry, because individual readouts of DNA are costly, and though the correlation is imperfect, it exists.”

    I think you should have put the word “correlation” in bold here. Everybody knows “correlation does not equal causation,” and that’s what’s being reinforced here. But there’s also an obvious CAUSATION, and that’s the fact that up until the invention of air travel, geography played a huge role in who could reproduce with whom. Since air travel is a relatively recent invention, the bulk of any particular individual’s ancestors will necessarily be confined to a limited geographic area.

  83. Anon[926] • Disclaimer says:

    Judging by one of Harmon’s recent tweets, David Reich seems to be under suspicion by rightthinkers.

    I love his quote in the article, “Gosh, I totally want to do that anti-racism panel at the conference, but damn, I have some urgent research to attend to.”

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  84. In the post, the link is accompanied by a snippet of hate speech urging individuals of African ancestry to leave America. “If you can’t drink milk,” it says in part, “you have to go back.”

    There have been sillier ways to run a Customs & Immigration Department. It wouldn’t take a whole lot of remodeling either:

    Keep a fridge near each inspector’s station full of cheap gas-station gallons of whole milk. Upon request for entry underneath the airport terminal, each passenger must drink a quart and wait through a 1 hour window. No bathrooms will be provided. Passengers should not have any of their own milk, as that could be an agricultural hazard and should have been confiscated by Customs already. For those passengers under extra suspicion, a 2nd quart should be offered, not out of any refrigerator.

    • Replies: @FO337
  85. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:

    What is Posthuma’s own ethnic background?

  86. istevefan says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    It makes one wonder that If diversity really is a strength why does the establishment have to work around the clock policing evidence to the contrary?

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    , @Forbes
  87. Alfa158 says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    I’m starting to worry that TD is actually a bot rather than a human. The posts are increasingly looking like the descriptions of typical bot posts. I thought all along that he was an incompetent satirist and was trying to coach him to do better. Leftists mostly avoid Right Wing sites because they seem to be afraid of being contaminated by Crimethink or doxed by their comrades. At least with good trolls we can get simulations of Leftists debating us. Cuck Neocons also seem to boycott us.
    So maybe Tiny Duck is one of those mythical Russian bots we keep hearing about?

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  88. @Anon7

    Salma Hayek in a milk commercial and that’s all they could come up with?

  89. By the way, here’s Ms. Harmon’s 2007 NYT article “In DNA Era, New Worries About Prejudice” about what’s happening now that “genetic information is slipping out of the laboratory and into everyday life, carrying with it the inescapable message that people of different races have different DNA.”

    Can people not get that? I mean people without multiple advanced degrees in not noticing the obvious?

    This whole “race doesn’t exist” thing coming from people who regularly proclaim that right wingers are a bunch of brain damaged knuckle dragging Bible beaters who don’t believve in “Evolution” is just bizarre. What do they think selection did for the past 10,000 years while people were out inventing agriculture, towns, trade, roads, cities, money, taxes, armies, written language, sailing ships, bronze, iron … algebra, printing, modern science, steam power, industry, railroads, telegraphs, electricity, airplanes, washing machines, nuclear weapons and power, jet aircraft, space travel, microwave ovens and the Internet? Putting it’s feet up and having a cold one?

  90. Liza says:
    @J.Ross

    Well, as I live and breathe, that is the first time I’ve seen “Plaxico” used as a verb.

  91. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Oh, if I’ve got your attention, I’m using Firefox Quantum 62.0 on Windows 7, and since I changed to this browser, I never see the 5-minute [EDIT] stuff. I’m used to it by now, but just wanted to let you know.

    That’s unfortunate. The Edit window is a third-party plugin that using jQuery to interface with the WordPress core, and I’ve heard it sometimes breaks under certain configurations. My only advice would be to clear your browser cache and maybe that would somehow fix the problem.

  92. @Anon

    You had unsafe water?

    In the 1960s in BC, Canada, we briefly lived in a house on the outskirts of a small town. It had a well. We were awfully sick there, the whole family. We left that town pretty quickly.

    I can’t remember if my parents tested the water.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Autochthon
  93. gregor says:
    @Charizard

    While you’re dooming and glooming, I’ll be working myself into an anticipatory lather while reading my favorite FAR-RIGHT WEBZINE.

    Shitlibs are gonna shitlib. But they are only a fraction of the population. Normal people in contrast are naturally prone to HBD ideas and require decades of deliberate training to suppress this intuition. And even then they’re always on the verge of reverting to their baser instincts (which is why the left is so terrified of the Nazi specter). That can only be maintained with strict control of the media and educational system, and that control is now falling apart.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  94. @Charizard

    Indeed, the genomic data directly contradicts some of the most ridiculous assertions made by the willfully blind people on the left, but it is not like the conventional wisdom exists in a world where we had no information about phenotypes of people of different races, or about the heritability of phenotypic traits. These woke white folks can say whatever the hell they want. Look at which schools they send their kids to, and what neighborhoods they live in. If they really believe that people are the same all over why do they waste so much money to live in a place and send their kids to a school where everyone looks like them? If they really believe that intelligence isn’t heritable, why do twee millenial wedding stories always describe how they met some other high IQ person at a highly selective university and never how they met a comely girl at a local bar? No amount of evidence will convince people who refuse to see it.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  95. FO337 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I swear, I can’t even tell when he’s serious anymore :(

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  96. FO337 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Do you use a script blocker? I have to disable part of noscript here.
    Otherwise I’m also on FF 62.x and Win8.2 with no problems.

  97. FO337 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No bathrooms will be provided.

    Oh great, so it’ll be just like where they came from.

  98. Is that “anticipatory lather” on your screen, or are you just happy to see me?

    Or have you just been drinking milk and reading iSteve again?

  99. @Steve Sailer

    It also doesn’t accord with what we know about biology. There can be subtle differences of the same gene knockout in different background strains of mice, but the biological effects of the same mutation are generally concordant across different genetic backgrounds.

    We don’t typically know exactly what different versions of the same SNP are doing that lead to phenotypic differences, but a reasonable guess is that the causal SNPs are usually subtly changing the levels of gene expression by modifying transcription factor binding sites. There are possible reasons why a given SNP might do something in one population (or mouse strain) and not another (epistatic interactions, for example if the population of interest has a different version of the transcription factor that binds the SNP than another). But the “99.9% of the DNA is identical” observation cuts both ways. Most of these biological pathways are extremely well conserved.

    There is just no reason to think that most of these SNPs won’t have concordant effects between mice and humans, let alone between humans of different races. The EDAR SNP that has swept to high frequency in East Asians has a concordant effect on hair follicle thickness when it is introduced into mice (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3575602/). It’s certainly possible that this won’t be the case for any particular variant, but across thousands of variants it must generally be true. There is no reason to think that genes involved in the central nervous system would be fundamentally different, other than disliking political implications of this line of reasoning. It’s just not a credible objection, there is no biological rationale.

  100. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Race is EVERYTHING!

  101. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:

    Release the tsetse flies! See who’s bragging then, milk boys. ;-)

  102. Anonymous[746] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charizard

    we’re doomed

    Rubbish. People around the world are waking up at an accelerating pace. Meanwhile, the mouse with a megaphone in the other corner is getting ridiculed into oblivion. They keep giving it bigger megaphones but it’s only making it worse for the narrative.

    Try to network more. There are plenty of kindred spirits everywhere.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  103. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000

    University of Chicago is one of the universities planning to drop SAT and ACT tests Why not, we’re on our way to be third world country. Not why not have third world admissions standards as well.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jim Don Bob
  104. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frau Katze

    We had regular city water from the mountains. Water was unsafe in the old days which was why people drank beer and wine instead of water.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    , @Anonymous
  105. @Anon

    Third world countries usually have pretty strict testing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Reg Cæsar
  106. @FO337

    I doubt he even knows.

    He recently trolled here (#138), too, or was he serious? I got bunches of ‘em. The best are my past arguments with him about the meaning of “founding stock.”

  107. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Cattle have the same herd diseases like TB humans have and cow milk was a prime cause of TB in humans.

  108. @Anon

    Yep, alcohol is a disinfectant.

  109. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Test takers in third world countries cheat. The degrees are pretty much for sale as are admissions. Remember when Chinese parents rioted because the test givers decided to have monitors?

    Chinese language newspapers advertise test prep courses passing guaranteed. Guaranteed is code for we’ll help you cheat.

    • Replies: @gabriel alberton
  110. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Try to network more. There are plenty of kindred spirits everywhere.

    Really? How to initiate such relationships?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  111. Escher says:
    @Anon

    Poor Cargill executives may have to cut their bonuses by a few thousand dollars to pay for the wage increases of their worker bees. The humanity!

  112. @Alfa158

    Not a very competently coded bot if he is, can bots be programmed to be awful spellers? I suppose they can, but the mistakes look like the kind that people would make if they were determined post trollish comments all day long on their cell phone. He also disappeared for nearly a month recently, that sounds like he didn’t have access to any kind of laptop or cell phone, as if he was indisposed, like he was in prison.

  113. @Steve Sailer

    Third world countries usually have pretty strict testing.

    Particularly Austria, Switzerland, and Finland.

  114. I’m always flabbergasted by articles like this.
    White supremacy is quite easily explained: the direction of the rotation of the earth, climate in Asia gets better if one moves from east to west, the ‘grass highway’, no mountains, from E Siberia to the Flemish coast, the unique North Sea.
    In a few words, population pressure, solved by ingenuity.
    Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Civilisations’, London, 2000
    What this historian does not mention is that in England coal and iron ore were found close to one another, and that England had easy transport over waterways.
    Another factor, longer ago, the ice ages, just the cleverest survived.
    Intelligence is to a large extent hereditary
    William H. Calvin, ‘De opkomst van het intellect, Een reis naar de ijstijd’, Amsterdam 1994 (The Ascent of Mind. Ice Climates and the Evolution of Intelligence’, 1990)
    In North Africa there was no ice, possibly this explains a lower IQ there ?
    E. – F. Gautier, ‘Le Passé de l’Afrique du Nord’, 1937, 1952, Paris

  115. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:

    The two PC chart makes it appear that blacks are much further from the rest than their internal variation. I thought it was a big thing that differences among Africans were supposed to be bigger than from them?

    • Replies: @res
  116. So let’s see if I have got this straight: (1) there is no scientific basis for the concept of genetically distinct racial groups; but (2) it is scientifically invalid to compare Black and White polygenic scores for various traits because they are such genetically distinct groups.

    Sounds airtight to me. I guess the science really is settled. The NYT told me so.

  117. Stogumber says:

    I’m more and more occupied with the question: What happened with the Kantian, Max-Weberian and Karl-Popperian distinction between factual statements and value statemants (or, in the Popperian fallilibistic theory, assumptions vs. proposals). Weber meant that scientists, above all social scientists, ought to concentrate on factual questions – sociology ought to be distinguished from socialism.

    This was once the gold standard of science, but then disappeared under a heap of demands for “social responsibility” of scientists.
    The new idea is that the scientist has to control what happens with his results, i.e. above all, which practical arguments are formed basing partly on his results (als logical premises).
    In the high times of Weberianism, if a scientist learned that his findings were used for “bad” practical arguments he would have shrugged it off, saying that that’s the way of the world: scientific results belong to everyone and everyone can draw the practical consequences like he wants to.
    Nowadays the scientist in such a case has not only to tell that he doesn’t share the practical argument, he has to claim that he was “misunderstood” and “misinterpreted”, even if that is not correct – only someone has drawn from the (correctly interpreted) facts some consequences he doesn’t support.

    In the end, these statements about understanding and interpretation lead to a completely change in our concept of “meaning”. “Meaning” in the scientific world was over some decades identical with “semantical denotation” or even “semantical reference” (to what objects or events in the outer world does the word refer?). Nowadays we return to a Hegelian understanding of meaning: the meaning of a word/sentence is the whole of all sentences/arguments which are formed this word, denotations and connotations are not distinguished. But this undermines our possibility to debate with each other because we are practically condemned to talk past each other or talk at cross-purposes (if we don’t accidentally belong to the same subcultural community with shared meanings).

  118. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:

    “Black,” for instance, is a socially defined term that includes many Americans who have a majority of European ancestry.

    Aren’t all “terms” socially defined?

    • Replies: @Forbes
  119. Anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Another Becky gets slammed. NBC runs two internet videos of white women supposedly being racist, one by blocking a black man’s path and another for calling the police (dubbed Golf Cart Gail).

    It should be blatantly obvious by now that NBC is attempting to suppress the white vote and increase the black vote for the democrats by stirring up racial animus since their Kavanaugh lynching failed. That’s exactly what they did back in 2016…and 2014 with BLM. 2014, 2016, 2018…see a pattern? Let’s review their coverage over the last 48 hours:

    1. NBC interview: “The midterm elections are just 20 days away, and @peteralexander got a rare look inside one fringe group hoping to capitalize on deep divisions within the country: white nationalists”

    2. Golf Cart Gail

    3. Blonde girl blocks black guy’s path

    I still think someone should take the “Race War” section of the Daily Stormer site and splice it next to the thumbnails of these NBC stories and ask “what’s the difference?” I think that might crystallize what they are doing in the minds of a lot of people.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @FO337
  120. So, it’s not Magic Dirt®?

  121. Anonymous[746] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Why initiate? Just red-pill your current friends and family first. Their trust, and the truth, are already on your side so it’s only a matter of time if you’re patient and measured.

    Also, get involved in local politics.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  122. @AnotherDad

    Isn’t it a “search for Truth” allegory?

    Steve “The Milkman” Sailer…

  123. @Charizard

    Nice write-up, your comment. And proof, that patience, and humor are now even more important than before.
    I have to admit: I found this quote for example in Steve’s post brilliant – and funny, too (it would have been very funny without the remark in the bracket, but with it, – – I laughed out loud!) – – – or would you have wished I hadn’t? – – :- – just askin’…

    The Racimo-Piffer theory might turn out to be a brilliant shortcut, or it might turn out to be mostly wrong because, for example, it could be that blacks are so different from whites genetically that studying how white genomes work doesn’t tell you much about how black genomes work. (That would be ironic.)

  124. @Charizard

    Consider, for instance, how much evidence there is for biological sex differences, or for the validity of IQ, or for innate personality differences between individuals. And consider how little any of these findings have altered the mainstream discourse around, say, the gender wage gap, or the education system.

    How true!

    We all grew up on tug of war concept. A simple straight line rope where there are two groups, each pulling the rope to their side. And, the winner is!

    Now let us think about a circle. Put men and women at 12 (0)’oclock and 6′oclock positions. See the diversity just in men and women. Or do the same thing with day and night. Or with white and black. Boggles the mind!

    We should get out the mentality of tug of war.

  125. @Gollios

    Right. That video clip is from the He Will Not Divide Us cam. If I remember right this was the final straw and he started moving the cameras to different locations, which the kids then tracked down using plane routes and weather reports. Good, clean, fun for kids on the spectrum. I can imagine these guys laughing that they are still taking the bait.

  126. Bliss says:

    In the post, the link is accompanied by a snippet of hate speech urging individuals of African ancestry to leave America. “If you can’t drink milk,” it says in part, “you have to go back.”

    But, but the natives of America are more lactose intolerant than african-americans. Where do they go back to? Turns out the mongoloid race is by far the most unable to drink milk, with east asians leading the way (90-100%). Native Americans are at 80-100% while African-Americans are at 75%:

    https://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000661

  127. TTSSYF says:
    @415 reasons

    I’ve always thought that everyone who selects a mate and has children is practicing eugenics in some form or another…even Lefties.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
  128. jim jones says:
    @Frau Katze

    The free VPN Tunnelbear is available for iPad. My experience is that all locations outside the US can read the NYT for free:

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
  129. Coemgen says:
    @istevefan

    “Diversity is Strength,” is a paraphrase of “Divide and Conquer.”

    It’s not a new concept.

    Globalism uber alles!

  130. Muse says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I was in a country recently with a lot of people with names ending in “ic”. The urinals were mounted so high on the wall I nearly had to stand on my toes.

    Then I went back to Italy and I was a giant again.

  131. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    Re: the paper on Ashkenazi intelligence linked above:

    I’m neither educated nor interested enough to read the whole thing, but perhaps someone who has could clarify something for me. From the intro:

    Although these disorders have been attributed to a bottleneck in Ashkenazi history and consequent genetic drift, there is no evidence of any bottleneck. Gene frequencies at a large number of autosomal loci show that if there was a bottleneck then subsequent gene flow from Europeans must have been very large, obliterating the effects of any bottleneck.

    So: either there was no bottleneck, or there was considerably more outmarriage among medieval Jews than previously thought. Am I grasping this correctly?

  132. @Stogumber

    ” distinction between factual statements and value statemants ”
    Gone, we now have the hazy concept ‘opinion’, on both sides of the Atlantic, I fear.
    What exactly an opinion is, do not know if it has been defined.
    But I see it as a mixture of suppositions about facts, on the one side, and moral judgements, political preferences, on the other side.
    Lasch wrote that during Watergate truth became unimportant
    Christopher Lasch, ‘The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations’, 1979, 1980, London

  133. Anne Lid says:
    @Flemur

    I’m watching JF Gariepy’s conversation with Eric Striker about this article, and that’s what Striker said, she dusted down some 4chan memes. Bit of YouTube history: Krautandtea wanted to take down race realists, and Harmon was supposed to write an article about it. She backed out when the whole thing crashed to the ground.

  134. Anon777 says:

    I’m sure a lot of evidence in this field isn’t even being released. Years ago I read about two researchers from Harvard who studied a tribe in Africa–the same Africans who constantly win all the marathons around the world–and discovered they had a genetic advantage for running due to their extremely thin wrist and ankle bones.

    The researchers said they would not publish the material as they were afraid of charges of racism, loss of jobs, etc.

  135. @Ron Unz

    Same configuration, same problem. Cache clearing doesn’t do anything for me.

  136. Giuseppe says:

    This reminds me of that racist ad campaign from 40 years ago, “everybody needs milk,” “tout le monde a besoin du lait,” etc.

    However I have since then lost the ability to process dairy. It must be my 1/1024 Native blood.

  137. Sean says:

    White supremacists and SJW are probably in more need of chugging milk (and IPA) because they have smaller parathyroids (weaker bones). Black genomes work to make cornerbacks, Jewish genomes to make quantum physicists, and Chinese genomes to make placid and uncomplaining citizen workers who simply cannot be bettered.

    The inescapable message that people of different races have different DNA had its thunder completely stolen by everyone already knowing that different races were somewhat different and Germans and English are different from each other too. The question of whether the pursuing the greatest efficiency of the state, for instance by having a manly Jewish elite and Asian technical class means that the ethnic majority or nation revolts is unresolved. Human society is organised into nation-states the nation part of which, be its IQ low or high compared to others, will rebel if it is threatened. There really is no point thinking about things without bearing that in mind.

  138. Dr. Novembre sounds like a Bond villain.

    James Bond: Do you really expect them to pay, Doctor Novembre?

    Doctor Novembre: No, Mister Bond. I expect them… to die.

  139. slumber_j says:
    @trelane

    No love for Dr. Posthuma?

    Anyway, I dig how suggestively close “Racimo” is to “racismo.” He’d better watch what he says extra-closely from now on, or else!!

  140. RouterAl says:

    it’s so hard to be white , when you have to pay homage to a race of people who could not invent the wheel , who never discovered lime mortar and never build a two story building until the pesky white guys tuned up and stopped them eating each other and selling each other in to slavery.
    If you want a good picture of Africa in mid Victorian times try any of Sir Richard Burton’s books, the one of his visit to Dahome is very informative.
    Within 50 years of Burton’s visits the land was covered in towns , railways, roads , bridges , law and order was enforced and slavery ended all done by the pesky white man.
    If you want a further example , white guys do not do very well in malarial areas, but we produced anti-malarial’s to allow us to be there. Since white guys handed back the countries to their indigenous people , have they spent any of their wealth producing answers to their health problems , a cheap cure for malaria say. Nope but they are keen to jump on board a nice Airbus A380 and fly to persuade Bill Gates to spent some of his money to solve their problem.
    The African victim mentality is famous , I watched some African recently on BBC TV trying to blame us for stealing their raw rubber back in Victorian times , the program neglected to point out that his people had no chemistry with which to turn the rubber in to any kind of product and that a white guy invented the process that turned worthless raw rubber in to a valuable commodity , and that we took that further when we produced synthetic rubber from coal and silicone rubber and flouro-silicone rubber, a but why allow a bash whitey to pass by.
    We white guys really need to stop being so nice to everyone and start taking credit for the world and technology we invented and used to improved everyone’s life’s.

    • Agree: Them Guys
  141. @Stogumber

    Weber meant that scientists, above all social scientists, ought to concentrate on factual questions – sociology ought to be distinguished from socialism.

    That’s nice.

    People who think that way were crowded out on the basis of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, ideology, and character.

    But at least those fields got their 20 pieces of social justice, so there is that.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  142. Saxon says:
    @Frau Katze

    It became a meme because most American whites are descended from groups with near 100% lactose tolerance who could drink milk no problem, whereas the percentages among other racial groups in general tend to be very low. It’s largely just a joke and the same humorless people buttblasted by the NPC bit which has their number are, big shock, also upset by this since it takes something verifiably true and creates a little packet of mass communication with it.

  143. @Jefferson

    And Asians are so not intellectually inferior that they are limited at Universities. Uh-oh, there goes the White Supremacy theory.

  144. @AnotherDad

    Ideology is a powerful filter. There are entire industries premised on the notion that human evolution stopped 100,000 years ago and only happens from the teeth down.

  145. @Ron Unz

    I have a software problem with UR too. For many months I have been unable to email a single comment using my Android (Samsung) smartphone. I haven’t tried using a computer instead as it would be very inconvenient.

  146. @Frau Katze

    What about India? They practically worship cows.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Frau Katze
  147. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @Wilkey

    Is there any specific nutritional advantage to drinking milk, like vitamins or minerals that are hard to get anywhere else – perhaps calcium? – or was the advantage in milk simply that it was a source of mobile calories, at a time when calories themselves were often in short supply?

    If the latter then perhaps there is no real advantage to drinking milk today.

    Why do you assume that consuming milk has only advantages? More than half of the world population lack the gene for lactase. If adults are unable to digest milk, then babies have less competition for food. The lactase gene may be an advantage in cultures that breed cattle, and a disadvantage in agricultural communities.

    Also, dairy cows and chickens probably have to be the most amazing foodsources ever.

    Aha! A dairy lobbyist.

    They provide fresh food every day, and you don’t have to wait months for the food to grow or slaughter the animal to get your meal.

    How long does it take a chicken to mature enough to lay eggs? Or a cow old enough to be studded and begin producing milk. And what do you do when livestock is too old to produce? Put them on social security?

    In retrospect it’s easy to understand why lactase peristence was such a crucial evolutionary development.

    Hardly crucial: most people do not have it.

    • Replies: @DFH
  148. If my ancestry didn’t burden me with so much overweening sympathy for The Other, I could enjoy this Schadenfreude — of watching the blank slate narrative collapse on its practitioners — more wholeheartedly.

  149. anon[771] • Disclaimer says:

    Show us the data that shows that the Chromosomal or Genetic or DNA analysis could identify one race and eliminate another .

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Pam's Travel
  150. @Tiny Duck

    >This is why I encourage my white female students to only date and procreate with Males of Color

    Presumably some actually take the bait? Thanks for helping to cull the herd.

  151. @Rosamond Vincy

    Who says that they’re dumb ?
    Tribes in Indochina had to work just forty days a year.
    Norman Lewis, ‘A Dragon Apparent, Travels in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam’, 1951, 1982, London

  152. @Hypnotoad666

    Hopefully by repeatedly pointing out the obvious we don’t inadvertently let out too much air from the cogdis balloon. The Diversity Myth is one delusion that needs to be permanently ruptured and not just deflated.

  153. @Rosamond Vincy

    White supremacy can be seen by anyone.
    Steam engine, railway, mass iron production, internal combustion engine, electricity, airplane, and so on and so forth.
    This does not mean that other peoples could not have done the same.
    The old Greeks were quite knowledgeable scientifically, but did nothing useful with their knowledge.
    As book on technical progress and social change states: an invention is like a door opened to a room until then closed, but nobody forces one to go into the room’.
    The history of something as simple, apparently, as the stirrup, amazing.
    Lynn White Jr., ‘Medieval Technology and Social Change’, Oxford 1962
    The Romans, as around 1300 in present Morocco, Marrakech, had excellent fresh water and sewage systems.
    Aqueducts of tweny or so miles.
    The Roman Segovia aqueduct functioned into the early 20th century.
    Few people are interested, I cycled along it, saw the still existing point where impurities could sink.
    Medieval European towns were dung heaps, in Dutch Dordrecht the street level rose seven metres over time because all garbage was thrown into the towns.
    When Pizarro came to Mexico city, he was flabbergasted, a city of this size, yet so clean, did not exist in Europe.
    But, as I stated before, nowhere in th world, as far as I know, iron ore and coal so close together as in England.
    When the trees all had been felled, coal was needed, water had to be pumped out of the mines, a clever mine owner invented a steam driven pump, from which the steam engine emerged.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Tyrion 2
  154. @AnotherDad

    1. Ms. Hayek is of Lebanese extraction, Lebanon being part of the Greater Land of Milk and Honey.

    2. I hear that Mexicans really like milk, the more butterfat the better.

    3. Milk comes in, um, jugs?

  155. Forbes says:
    @Anonymous

    And in this case, self-defined, as in self-identity.

  156. Forbes says:
    @Anon

    #3 is probably a set-up, play acting. Nobody has their camera phone ready and recording from the get-go. How do you capture getting blocked from the start unless you know what is to happen?

  157. @Desiderius

    ” People who think that way were crowded out on the basis of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, ideology, and character.
    But at least those fields got their 20 pieces of social justice, so there is that. ”

    Unable to comprehend, my idea is that fake ‘sciences’ as gender studies, migration studies, here in Europe ‘European studies’, in fact EU propaganda, ‘duurzame transitie’, the ‘science of how not to use fossil or nuclear energy any more, also ‘climate science’, we know next to nothing about climate, did great harm.
    In the good old days science was defined as someting like ‘about which reasonable men could agree’.
    By mixing science with politics, facts and preferences have become mixed, a dangerous cocktail.

  158. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Trump’s threatening to close the border. He won’t. They’ll arrive November 1. The media will be there slobbering all over the invaders and vilifying Trump the Border Patrol and White Americans

    I wonder what employers have recruiters with the marchers and busses chartered to bring them to their new jobs. Cargill and Tyson for sure.

  159. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Disclaimer and @Anon

    We have been doing effective activism identifying and doxing the worst filthy rich American Agribusiness leaders who destroy small Southern and Midwestern towns by flooding the areas with the lowest wage 3rd world illegal aliens, or just naturalized Somalians etc.

    I personal led street protests and advertising campaigns against Tyson Foods CEO Donny Smith ($ 8 million a year compensation) for flooding Tyson Middle Tennessee meat processing plants with Somalian Bantu Muslim low wage workers.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2013/10/04/published-in-rutherford-tn-reader/

    I encourage you both to personally oppose, fight and that entails DOXING the specific Cargill executives that are destroying Southern and Midwestern towns by flooding them with the lowest wage illegal alien or naturalized 3rd world workers. The key is to stop just complaining about impersonal corporations like Cargill doing this and do the research to identify the specific filthy rich bad people at Cargill doing this.

    Identify then dox them in the communities, have their families disown them. Do what the Left does to us when they dox us and get us fired from our jobs, get our families to disown them.

    OK so here are the specific bad guy Cargill executives – it’s like the old TV Show “Mission Impossible” – “should you choose this mission” here’s what you got to do:

    Dox

    https://www.cargill.com/about/executive-team

    David MacLennan
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

    LeighAnne Baker

    LeighAnne Baker
    Human Resources

    David Dines

    David Dines
    Metals and Shipping
    Risk Management

    Todd Hall

    Todd Hall
    Protein and Salt

    Ruth Kimmelshue

    Ruth Kimmelshue
    Business Operations & Supply Chain

    Marcel Smits

    Marcel Smits
    Chief Financial Officer

    Joe Stone

    Joe Stone
    Animal Nutrition

    Gert-Jan van den Akker

    Gert-Jan van den Akker
    Agricultural Supply Chain

    Frank van Lierde

    Frank van Lierde
    Food & Bio-industrial Ingredients

    (These $*$&#@ as* ho*** traitors appear to be entirely White Gentiles, so the horrible truth is we can’t blame all our immigration horrors on the Jews)

    Please PM if you have any questions on what to do. This is war and we need to start fighting in effective ways:

    J Ryan
    The Political Cesspool

    [email protected]

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Dave Bowman
  160. @Frau Katze

    By “the old days” he is thinking of times like 1960 B.C., not 1960 in B.C.

  161. Them Guys says:
    @pyrrhus

    I Still think, and after reading this article even more so think it, that various DNA research has now proven that early on, say a few thousand years ago. That African Blacks really did Mate with Apes and Baboons and definitely Chimps…They claim a Chimps DNA is about 98% identical to a Humans DNA and Genes….So okay, perhaps Black Africans lack a 2% Genetic DNA margin and it is why most of them are such Low IQ, Lazy ass, Destroyers of whatever was built or created by European Whiteys. This article almost confirms such African combo mix DNA is now one of The most Top Secret well hidden away info to have existed in modern era times.

    I also wont be shocked to find out that what this articles DNA Expert claims, about being very careful about what type info her and her ilk expose JQ-Public to, is really “Code” for something closer to this…

    We DNA Experts Must await our fellow travelers in the us congress and us senate when they mandate and create new fed laws that will allow More, Extra, Better yet, and far more $$$ shekels costly advances in…Affirative Action policy geared towards providing far greater Cash/Shekel/$$$ Benifits to newly discovered African Blacks, and all browns that mixed with africans and have this DNA Combo Mix.

    Because we know that several Black Leaders such as Al Sharpton, and Jessie Jackson the two major “Reverand” self anointed, self apointed, Leaders of American Blacks. Are certain to demand such extra $$$ benifits for fellow semi-apes and semi-baboons once our DNA Proof evidence leaks out!….They will claim that being a sub human and part animal can now be used as excuse, in every act of violent crimes against European Whiteys. And that due to partial Monkey DNA which causes an excuse for such militant criminal actions, it also causes such Blacks to spend all ther time and efforts doing such criminal acts. And hinders Blacks from doing any productive, physical labor work. Therefore, unless the USA Fed Govnt makes massive changes in affirmative action programs, and especially changes to provide much greater monthly stipends to every Black “person”. Our New DNA sub-human-baboon/ape/chimp mixtures in at least 95% of African Blacks, must be kept under tighter security. Perhaps locked away in Fort Knox even.

    Only After the senate and house of congress both act, and create new fed laws to deal with this phenom, will we recomend a full DNA Info release. We DNA Experts Must also recieve a 100% Fed Govnt. and likewise from each of the 50 States Govnt’s…100% assurance in Writing! As our insurance against being sued until flat broke bankrupted, as the main causes of future Riotings, Lootings, and overall Nationwide major destruction on a scale never yet seen in all of known history. Should our expert DNA findings either leak out prior to the new fed affirmative action law fixes….Or, incase such new fed law fixes are unable to get passed, and angry cash seeking Blacks go all out ape crap crazy.

    As a final warning to congress and jq public in genral, we advise also that fed laws make it certain that idiotic gender bender lib dems and goofy feminst types, who recently have insisted on and gotten rights to re-design mariage laws and adoption laws so faggots and lezbos can marry and adopt others kids etc…Must not be now allowed to claim any African Blacks as their own, Pets. Just because DNA evidence findings now prove a real ape/baboon/chimp Link with African Blacks, it should in no way authorize any agendas for owership of them as a Pet in the same ways as folks now can own a Dog or Cat legally.

  162. @Anon

    Not here in Brazil. No widely-advertised cram school helps or even suggests to their students that they cheat to pass the university entrance exams. If they were caught doing so, they’d be in serious trouble.

    They may be criticized in many other regards, like completely ignoring subjects that the exams don’t ask about and being very shallow from a learning perspective, but when there’s cheating, it’s done by individuals unaffiliated with any cram school, and our police seems to be pretty effective at finding them out. Fraud is rather rare at an exam that millions of people take every year here.

  163. Them Guys says:
    @J.Ross

    I saw a news headline and video, didn’t view nor read it, that showed and stated of a now 4,000+ member sized group of those border crashers headed to the USA border. It also showed clear as a bell rung, their group honcho leaders at front of group, smiling and proudly carrying a Huge National state Flag of their home country Honduras.

    So Proud of their own state flag they need to bring it with their group. Yet we are constantly told by TV msm news how badly they desire to be a usa citizen right?…Hogwash!…Yes they may wish to be a citizen of America all right…But not like we think of it being. More like a citizen fully entitled to every affirmative action and anti-whitey, perk or benefit they can scarf up once inside usa border zones.

    Where is Trump with executive orders to force all fed cops and border cops to fully enforce every law designed to halt such vast abuse of Us and Our Nation, eh. He’s probably on Air Force One plane headed back to Israel for dinner with Nuttyahoo and his zio crew.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  164. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Speaking of Firefox, Firefox Klar (supposedly a more secure variant) for Android auto-completes the URL UPS.COM, but not UNZ.COM.

    Presumably this is a political choice by the goodthinkers at Mozilla.

  165. res says:
    @Anonymous

    The two PC chart makes it appear that blacks are much further from the rest than their internal variation. I thought it was a big thing that differences among Africans were supposed to be bigger than from them?

    This is because the African-Other variation is systematic (can mostly be captured in the first two PCs). The intra-African variation appears in the higher order PCs. That said, the plot in question is odd in that it claims 80% (!) of the variance is explained by the first two PCs. I think that is because there are roughly equal numbers of widely distributed populations without many intermediates, but I have not looked closely at this particular dataset.

  166. Them Guys says:
    @Jack D

    I do Morris Code with my cars headlights…I flash out a constant message in morris code that says…”It’s Okay to be White!”…..I like doing it when stuck behind a car driven by a negro driver ahead of me……Next I will buy one of those LED Light signs made for car dash boards under rear window. They can be programed to light up in several color choices, and with most any message you program it to display…That will be great use of 1st amendt free speech with the most absolute NON PC messages I can come up with. These type led message displays look exactly like seen on wall street buildings with a constant scrolling message which keeps repeating, only much smaller size display of course…Fairly cheep to buy too…Like $29.99 or so, up to about $99.99 for better grade.

  167. M Edward says:

    Actually my Danish ancestors and most northern Europeans have been raising cattle and drinking milk for thousands of years.
    There is no link between some perceived “white-supremacy” and drinking milk.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  168. GU says:

    Re: Olympic sprinters

    Canada’s Andre De Grasse seems to have a significant white heritage based on his skin color. He looks quite light next to Usain Bolt, and he had a summer tan at the Olympics. I’d guess between 25% – 50% white heritage.

  169. Anon[164] • Disclaimer says:

    Africans didn’t evolve to be different, nor did White people.

    Africans are a result of Cro Magnid types procreating with (likely raped by) archaic hominids after small bands migrated from Europe down into sub-saharan Africa.

    The same racial creation mechanism occurred when unmixed homo sapiens migrated to East and Central Asia.

    That this is the mechanism of our differences is what the current science (note: not pop sci articles with an axe to grind) points to for anyone who bothers to read it.

    This is not a controversial statement when only accounting for the defensible science.

    No one evolved from Blacks nor from any known hominin. No one evolved to be Black. “Human evolution”, as we know and think of it, is a series of admixture events.

    No one can come close to scientifically accounting for how the first pre-mixed homo sapiens came to be. I say that as a scientist who has no axe to grind in religious mythology.

    What we do know is that unmixed Homo Sapiens arrived on the scene and, at some point in time, started inter-breeding with the hominins that were awaiting them in the caves and trees. Again, likely via rape.

    There is no hominin mtDNA in our genetic pool, which means that no breeding was the result of human males procreating with their females. This points to a likely mechanism of rape from the hominin males to human females.

    White people aren’t who they are due to Neanderthal admixture. The existed before the admixture event, unlike other races (Blacks and Asians).

    High Neanderthal admixture White groups likely came to their genetic fate by the same mechanism as Blacks, after unmixed Homo Sapiens (likely best represented by the genetic core of modern…take a guess as to the very specific tribe, which becomes easy once your eye for admixture influenced physiognomic detail becomes refined) migrated from Europe to the regions of modern Armenia and Northern Israel (the two originating loci of the Western variety of cave dwelling Neanderthal).

    Note the biblical significance to the locations of the resting Ark of Noah (in Armenia) and the Biblical Israel.

    In fact, for anyone who cares to look very hard, the tribal migration can be back-traced through tribal names and other referential historical documentation as to their identity as they moved.

    In fact, the names stick today. If you know where to look and can figure out how they translate. Though, I don’t necessarily recommend going down this rabbit hole. Its not so easy (but here’s a hint: ignore the modern Jews when working backward, for the most part – I say this because many are tempted to concentrate on them due to their modern activity – also, I am certainly not implying any type of British Israeli theory – this is before the time of the Jews and does not have much to do with them – I reference the Bible only as a document that stores some historical information in myth and outright).

    Note that this does not put higher admixture White groups on the same footing as Blacks, as they are mixed with entirely different hominin species. Neanderthals and Homo Heidelbergensis, for example, are not comparable as similar species.

    What all of this means, in how we perceive racially broad social behavior in today’s world, is that prior mixing with differing hominins leads to entirely differing genetic results and differing cognitive-behavioral results. Every admixed human is constantly fighting their specific inner hominin demon, so to speak.

    How the priests (“experts” in modern language) who dictate acceptable evolutionary theory get away with their dishonest frameworks, in light of what clearly actually occurred, is that they purposefully omit information.

    Take, for example, the statements that Blacks have no appreciable Neanderthal DNA. This is true. However, the people who dictate acceptable thought use this incomplete information to allow the world to draw the conclusion that Blacks are unmixed with hominins and thus represent the first human species that others evolved from.

    What is actually true is that Blacks have no appreciable Neanderthal DNA, but have ultra high levels of even earlier archaic hominin admixture that Whites do not possess. Revealing this fact, in the public sphere, would completely invalidate modern human evolutionary theory. It wouldn’t do a little damage. It would blow it up so thoroughly that the sociopolitical concussion would turn the world order on its side insofar as racial perspectives and relations are concerned. And that’s before we get to the fallout from the loss of trust in the so called experts after such a and forceful and long-ongoing lie.

    This is the bombshell waiting to cook off.

    All of the other talk around evolutionary genetics is a distraction. Because the argument on both sides is founded on the flawed premise of divergence through racial evolution instead of inter-species breeding, it is likely that this argument will lend itself to being forever trapped in the realm of debate as either side constantly finds flaws that sound reasonable enough to the masses for it to remain there.

    To those who have an interest in keeping it there and in keeping the truth suppressed of how divergent we are (that we are biologically defined by the DNA of differing alien hominin species), that would be the beauty of the argument.

    The milk point made by WN’s is largely irrelevant, if we could agree that it doesn’t imply the lie that needs to be overturned. I’m not sure that we can.

  170. I think the myth here is myth 1.

    I have never heard anyone – ever contend that biological constructs such as skin color is not rooted in biology.

    Well,

    I have heard that expressed. Here on this sit. It is routinely claimed that the belief is a myth –

    problem this sight seems to be loaded with people who are the source of the very myth they claim is contended.

    Challenges as to whether whites are superior and what that ,means to leadership don’t deny that something a benign as skin color is not rooted in biology. Whether IQ, morality, industriousness, etc are contentions — but those are not biological constructs. They are human traits — which have various expression and practice rooted in environment, traditions, etc and their interplay with biology is uncertain.

    I am keenly aware that black Africans are not developing supersonic weapons

    Laugh.

  171. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    The cow veneration in India is a relatively new phenomenon (likely since the “Hindu” revival after the wane of Buddhism a few centuries before Christ).

    My belief that it is an anti-Vedic measure installed by the enemies of the Vedic people after they were deposed.

    Their enemies were cow (Spring Sun) worshippers and the Vedic people were likely cow sacrificers (Law and Order focused). The original Vedic people would have seen cow veneration as a primary sign of degeneracy (read their 10 century BC, or so, comments on how they viewed the Greeks).

    Back when this sort of sacrificing magic meant something, this measure would have been seen to be very logical and of some importance by the victors over the Vedic people (the Greeks, via the Buddhism-Dionysus cult).

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  172. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flemur

    Nice catch.

  173. haddox says:

    After looking through the NYT comments on this “news” article, I tend to agree. Predictable (as NPCs), but still somewhat depressing.

    Although one commenter there nailed the whole charade:

    “The article is almost entirely content free; the author states a claim they oppose, cites an appeal to authority, and says nothing else.

    It all looks rather hollow, the subtext is that geneticists can’t actually rebut the conclusions being drawn, they just say they’re wrong because they say so.

    The article also obsesses over milk, which is quite clearly a silly joke.”

  174. @drtomcor

    As the old Jewish joke goes “Lose my eccent? Never!! Vunce ah yenkee alvays ah yenkee”

  175. @Stogumber

    You’re right about Hegel and wrong, too.
    You’re right – Hegel understood that knowledge in modern times is the result of revisionism/criticism (and these are just other terms for progress).

    But – and this is the more delicate part, which I can only articulate because I’ve studied Habermas (Truth and Justification, Theory of Communicative Action)): Hegel was the one to overcome the limitations of the subject-philosophy. He discovered, that work and language are the means (the media), which allow us to overcome the limits of our personal experience and build (= form/ discover) cultural truths.

    Thus – Hegel, most usefully understood allows to a) acknowledge the changes that time always brings with it – – – without any traces of relativism.

    And at the same time b) he lays the foundations to understand, that language, well understood, can never be something private (=relative) and that not only language socializes us (thus liberating us from solipsism) – but work too, as the second big medium to share (= discover, acknowledge, define…) reality.

  176. DFH says:
    @Hu Mi Yu

    most people do not have it.

    Yes but the people responsible for inventing, creating and discovering almost everything worthwhile do

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  177. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Why initiate? Just red-pill your current friends and family first. Their trust, and the truth, are already on your side so it’s only a matter of time if you’re patient and measured.

    How, specifically? Where to start? How to present it?

    Also, get involved in local politics.

    Such as doing what, for example?

    • Replies: @Anon
  178. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Are you saying that other groups are potentially just as creative as Whites?

  179. Anon[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    That this is the mechanism of our differences is what the current science (note: not pop sci articles with an axe to grind) points to for anyone who bothers to read it.

    Could you recommend a book and a college course that would help one understand what you have posted here?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  180. @M Edward

    Mexicans like things con queso. Also, dulce de leche is amazing.

  181. orionyx says:
    @Jefferson

    India is in Asia, so I assume that its people are Asians. They drink a lot of milk with no ill-effects. Cows are sacred there precisely because they provide good nourishment from their dugs. (In Sanskrit, milk is dugdha – the gift of the dug).

  182. @Anon

    I thought it was because the cow is everyone’s mother, providing milk, cheese, and ghee.

    Paneer is beautiful stuff.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  183. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    I don’t really get this article or most of the comments. Maybe I skimmed it too fast. But the issue about race for people of European origin, aka white people, is that they are being genocided by a cultural elite that defines reproduction as the only sexual vice, while promoting immigration (of mostly non-white people) as a the solution to the European population implosion.

    The policy of race replacement is actively promoted even by scientists, as exemplified by Science Magazine, the publication of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, that touts immigration and intergenerational wealth transfer (i.e., from the dying European population to the incoming non-European population) as the solution to the demise of Whitey.

    The process of European genocide is analogous to the action of that parasitic worm that invades the brains of rats and mice and makes them friendly toward cats: PC brainwashing makes white people welcome those who will usurp the place of their own posterity. In the case of the worm, it parasitizes both the rat and the cat, passing back and forth as the rat is infected from cat shit and the cat is infected from rat brains. In the case of the PC meme for European genocide, the brain-washed victim population destroys itself by spewing the agent of its own destruction by way of the institutions of so-called education, the globalist social media political gate-keepers, the media and Hollywood, while the beneficiaries spew it quite naturally as any sane self-serving people would.

    But here in Canada, we have, at last, pushback, however feeble.

  184. There is no evidence, scientists stress, that environmental and cultural differences will not turn out to be the primary driver of behavioral differences between population groups.

    Uh huh? I tend to doubt the veracity of this statement, but be that as it may, why is environmentalism the null hypothesis? What evidence is there that environmental and cultural differences will turn out to be the primary driver of behavioral differences between population groups. Make environmentalist defend their theory.

  185. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    (different anon)
    Yes, that’s a bit of a rationalization though (I think it significantly postdates widespread Brahmanical vegetarianism). Those sentiments were unheard of in the Vedic era and they still are somewhat foreign to some parts of India.

    Paneer is good but as pretty much the sum total of the Indian cheese culture it is somewhat unimpressive. I think a more temperate climate is probably necessary, or at least optimal, for developing a wide range of cheeses that can be safely eaten.

  186. “But the specter of the field’s ignominious past, which includes support for the American eugenics movement, looms large for many geneticists in light of today’s white identity politics. They also worry about how new tools that are allowing them to home in on the genetic basis of hot-button traits like intelligence will be MISCONSTRUED to fit racist ideologies.”

    “MISCONCEPTIONS about how genes factor into America’s stark racial disparities have surfaced in the nation’s increasingly heated arguments over school achievement gaps, immigration and policing.”

    “Anticipating MISINTERPRETATIONS of a recent study on how genes associated with high education attainment, identified in Europeans, varied in different populations around the world, the lead author, Fernando Racimo, created his own “frequently asked questions” document for nonscientists, which he posted on Twitter. ”

    It seems to me that the writer has already made up their mind about what the science will tell them. I like how the ‘misinterpretations’ are any knowledge that might end up benefiting white nationalist viewpoints. All knees bow to liberalism.

  187. Tyrion 2 says:
    @anon

    Does that sound smart to you? Pointing out that a sometimes useful concept created to describe the natural world is not 100% discrete in the data?

    You’ve got your thinking backwards. It is a useful concept because it actually has use, like in medical diagnosis. Or even in everyday life: if you don’t see colour, you will act dumber. It is one of many data points that we sensibly use to make resource limited decisions.

    Walk in the room looking for someone called Liou, probably better to first try the Chinese looking woman and not someone “chugging milk”.

    All you’ve done is pointed out that it is imperfect, which of course it is – like everything but abstract political ideologies, such as progressivism, that make total sense in our heads but are basically just made up.

    “Hey, everybody is born with the same talents”

    “What evidence do you have for that?”

    “Um…it sounds nice!”

    • Replies: @anon
  188. Tyrion 2 says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The English agricultural revolution preceded the industrial revolution and was just as important.

  189. phil says:
    @nooffensebut

    “My graph shows Asians have the highest polygenic scores. Imputation isn’t necessary with 1000 Genomes data because the database is so complete.”

    In the 1000 Genomes data set, Japan is represented by people from Tokyo, Vietnamese are represented by people from Saigon, and a big component of the data from China is taken from Beijing university students.

    These constitute wildly-biased data. A majority of Chinese people live in the countryside. Most Japanese live outside of Tokyo, and a large number of Vietnamese live outside of Saigon. Nevertheless, the polygenic score for Japan is not much different than the one for Utah Whites.

    People commonly use 105 as an average IQ score for China, but the samples used to arrive at such an estimate are biased toward urban areas. When Lynn undertook a standardization that fairly surveyed outlying areas, he arrive at an estimate of 101–still high compared to the rest of the world, but not statistically diffferent from that in Switzerland or Germany.

  190. I hope it’s generally recognized that culture can affect genes and not just the reverse. If Jews were excluded by religion from hereditary aristocracy, chuch hierarchy, and land-ownership, and responded by developing a focus on trade and finance, then a meritocratic approach to mate-selection would be encouraged. Additionally, the Jewish religion emphasizes universal literacy, which would be an asset in mental occupations. I have noticed Jewish girls are more impressed by brains than gentiles, and that attitude over time would produce a higher average IQ. I am told that rabbis were expected to be the smartest men in the village and also to have the most children.
    Comments?

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Dave Bowman
  191. Cowcharge says:

    So I suppose now I’ll be harassed by rabid democrats at restaurants for drinking milk?

  192. @Anon

    I found myself intrigued by this theory (as is often the case with Wrongthink).
    Any places where one might read up on this?

    Thanks

    • Replies: @Anon
  193. @War for Blair Mountain

    very scarce

    Have you ever been in a freakin’ airplane Dr. Ford?

    • Replies: @Rod1963
  194. Many geneticists at the top of their field say they do not have the ability to communicate to a general audience on such a complicated and fraught topic.

    All this really means is that the scientific evidence does not lead to the philosophical conclusions they want you to reach…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  195. @jim jones

    Thanks for the tip on TunnelBear.

    I also discovered that Safari has a “private” mode, like the Chrome Incognito.

  196. @Rosamond Vincy

    The global maps are not always the same, but India doesn’t seem to have lactase persistence.

    I note that cheese and butter don’t have much lactose.

  197. Dr. Novembre? Dr. Racismo? Dr. Posthuma?

    You’ve been 4channed!

  198. Anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Start with crime and race. Thats easy to back up and no one likes a rapist or murderer.

    Get involved with a local politician. Find one who you support and call their office and ask if you can help with their campaign. They always need volunteers and paid canvassers.

    I work for an assemblyman and meet people daily that are sick of this current culture. People are waking up at a staggering rate.

  199. megabar says:
    @Alfa158

    >> “There is no evidence, scientists stress, that environmental and cultural differences will not turn out to be the primary driver of behavioral differences between population groups.”

    > Either these “scientists” are ignorant of the scientific method or they know how to keep their jobs.

    Well to be more precise, there is in fact plenty of evidence. Twin studies, adoption studies, and the failure of early interventions on adulthood IQ.

    What the author should have written is that there is no proof, which is, of course, a very high bar to clear.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  200. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Hey man, it is useful to stay quiet when you don’t have a freaking idea what the word proof means . If your DNA doesn’t identify you as black or white, then genes are still unproven behind the differences between races. IQ colors height disease vulnerabilities protective factors from diseases , psychometric tests on cognitive functions or personality can point to a genetic basis But if they dont congregate in certain directions , then forget about it .

    So far DNA has nothing to do to differentiate one group from another.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Them Guys
  201. This FT article by Clive Cookson may interest some readers of this thread [Sorry if the accidental add on annoys some readers]

    Families and schools have a substantial influence on whether young people go to university but no effect on how well students perform once they get there, according to the first study of genetic and environmental influences on higher education.

    Researchers at King’s College London studied 3,000 pairs of identical and non-identical twins and 3,000 other people in the UK, in an effort to disentangle the factors that determine university enrolment and performance. Results were published in the journal Scientific Reports.

    [MORE]

    Genetic factors account for 51 per cent of differences between school leavers in whether or not they go on to university. What the researchers call “shared environment” — mainly school and family background — accounts for 36 per cent, while “non-shared environment”, reflecting individual circumstances, contributes the remaining 13 per cent.

    Although the King’s study did not look specifically at students’ socio-economic background, the findings support the view that teenagers from poor and disadvantaged families are less likely than their more privileged counterparts to proceed to a university education for which their genes are well suited. Researchers suggested that admissions policies should take more account of these social factors into account.

    “You would expect heritability — the genetic influence — to increase in a fairer and more equitable society,” said Emily Smith-Woolley, one member of the research team at King’s Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience

    An earlier study by King’s researchers showed that shared environment played a big role in secondary education, accounting for 40 per cent of differences in whether students choose to take A-levels.

    Once someone gets to university, the contribution of “shared environment” declines to less than 1 per cent. Achievement, measured by the student’s final degree class, is determined 46 per cent by genetics and 53 per cent by non-shared or individual environment.

    “Unlike secondary school, where students tend to share educational experiences, university provides young people with greater opportunity to be independent and to carve out their interests based on their natural abilities and aptitudes,” said Ziada Ayorech, another King’s researcher.

    “Students’ unique environments — such as new friends and new experiences — appear to be explaining differences in university achievement and the role of shared environment becomes less significant.”

    Apart from studying the overall contribution of genes to educational achievement, scientists are beginning to identify some of the thousands of specific DNA variations responsible. The latest — and still unpublished — research suggests that up to 15 per cent of variance in achievement may be predictable through a “polygenic score” based on detailed DNA analysis, said Dr Smith-Woolley. But science is still a long way from producing a useful genetic test for guiding young people to the best educational options.

    **** **** ****

    Oops!! I seem to have also somehow copied and pasted another FT piece on a book by Alan Greenspan and Adrian Wooldridge but leave it as UR readers may well find it interesting.

    **** **** ****

    This co-authorship combines an unlikely pair. The “maestro” is 92-year-old Alan Greenspan, not only the second-longest-serving chief of monetary policy as chairman of the Federal Reserve for 18-plus years, but also a life-long student of American capitalism as a provider of economic forecasts and advice. But Greenspan’s legacy at the Fed of inscrutable statements designed to obscure the intent of monetary policy makes him a most unlikely creator of an accessible economic history.

    This is where Adrian Wooldridge comes in, author of nine previous books and one of the anonymous team of writers at The Economist. This book snaps, crackles and pops with a sustained Economist-quality writing style, mixing a clear set of themes on the evolution of the American project with a full plate of anecdotes, mini-biographies, and pithy quotes from both well-known and obscure sources.

    Three themes are highlighted — productivity as the measure of economic progress; the “Siamese twins of creation and destruction” as the sources of productivity growth; and the political reaction to the consequences of creative destruction. This triplet fosters a unique blend of economic, business, and political history. Readers are warned to expect a heavy dose of politics: “anyone who regards economic history as history with the politics left out is reading the wrong book.”

    The narrative interplay between business success and failure and the changing forms of government’s response make this a “top-down” history. We follow companies newly formed and long-established — from Eli Whitney and his cotton gin to Jeff Bezos and Amazon — sometimes ignored but frequently overregulated by occupants of the Oval Office. Seldom do we get a “bottom-up” account — the passages on economic progress as experienced by ordinary people, while evocative and colourful, are few and far between. The most notable lapse is the near-total absence of any mention of the fact that inequality has soared since the late 1970s.

    Capitalism in America begins with an inspired leap of the imagination as the world’s elite of 1620 convene in Davos. Wrapped in their national costumes of the day, the Chinese, Turks, Spaniards, and Britons argue about which among them will be the dominant power of the coming centuries. “In all of the arguing in Davos, one region goes unmentioned: North America. The region is nothing more than an empty space on the map.”

    Soon we are immersed in an account of the heady days of post-1776 expansion in a nation blessed with infinite resources and an immense ratio of land to people. Rapid growth alternated between waves of boom and bust marked by frequent financial crises. The split nation of north and south contrasted New England inventiveness with the irony that Whitney’s cotton gin made slavery more profitable and fuelled its territorial expansion. A centrepiece is the “binary dispute between industrial modernisers and agrarian slaveholders” personified in the alternative visions respectively of Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson.

    Profit-rich American corporations have chosen to pay higher dividends and buy back shares instead of investing for long-term growth

    The great post-civil-war expansion featured the “giant sucking sound” of millions of immigrants being drawn in from Europe as the ever-expanding railroads, enjoying massive government subsidies in the form of free land, in turn subsidised the new arrivals so that they would populate the west. Mini-biographies of Carnegie, Rockefeller, and other tycoons contrast their creative ruthlessness with their philanthropy. “These great entrepreneurs earned their place in history not by inventing new things but by organizing them.” Ever downward went the price of steel, oil, and with Henry Ford’s assembly line, the price of mobility. Yet, only a page or two reckons the human cost of underpaid labourers, including the consequences of malnutrition. And the workers shot in the back by Carnegie’s company-hired paramilitaries during the Homestead Steel lockout of 1892 or in other episodes of labour unrest receive no mention at all.

    In the “revolt against laissez-faire” of the 1900-1920 progressive era, trusts were busted, food and drugs were regulated, women gained the vote, and the Fed was established. Economic growth soared in the 1920s under the impact of electric machines in reconfigured factories. Calvin Coolidge, president from 1923-29, briefly emerged from his silence to declare that “ordinary people would hardly notice if the federal government went out of business.” Looming trouble — “serpents in this paradise” — appears in the form of ballooning consumer debt and restrictive immigration laws.

    The descent into the Great Depression is colourfully described — “the Union League club had a room wallpapered with worthless stock certificates.” Overhanging debt squeezed economic activity in a downward spiral of deflation, while America’s fragile and atomised banking system suffered 25,000 failures. The Smoot-Hawley tariff of 1930 stifled trade and invited retaliation, while the Fed was paralysed. Missing in this account was the regulation laxity of allowing investors to buy equities with only a 10 per cent down payment that pumped up the 1928-29 stock market bubble and hastened its collapse.

    The book’s conservative tilt first emerges in its treatment of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who is grudgingly admired as a politician, salesman, and wartime leader. His New Deal is criticised for centralising power in Washington with an alphabet soup of new agencies and for creating a social security entitlement that was not fully funded. FDR’s attempts to revive the economy are viewed as a failure in light of the devastating second depression that occurred in 1937-38.

    Instead, the Great Depression finally ended with the explosive growth of military expenditures starting in mid-1940. The authors paint a masterful portrait of the second world war production miracle, blending tales of Ford’s Willow-Run plant and Henry Kaiser’s west coast shipyards with obscure achievements such as the doubling of America’s stock of machine tools between 1940-45.

    The “golden era” of postwar America with its baby boom and world dominance is viewed as the creation of Harry “no experiments” Truman and Dwight “limited government” Eisenhower. The socialism that condemned Britain to decades of slow growth was wisely avoided, while America took the lead in rebuilding war-torn Europe and establishing the institutions of globalisation. Eisenhower’s supreme achievement of the interstate highways formed “the nation’s commercial and cultural grid, binding its regions, bridging its dialects . . . they’ve insinuated themselves into our slang, perception of time and space, our mental maps.”

    Most histories end the golden age in 1973 with the oil crisis and the breakdown of the Bretton Woods system. But here the Johnson presidency of the 1960s is treated as a precursor of the stagflation of the 1970s. LBJ is chastised for over-reach, particularly in the form of the 1965 creation of the Medicare entitlement: as one quoted observer quips “he adopts programs the way a child eats chocolate chip cookies”. There is no recognition that Medicare was a blessing to an elderly population thereafter freed from health insecurity and medical bankruptcy.

    The “Age of Optimism” begins with the inauguration of Ronald Reagan, who is praised for breaking the unions, continuing Jimmy Carter’s legacy of deregulation, and achieving the most substantial tax reform since the first world war, leading to a “rebirth of business optimism”. Yet the authors’ devastating indictment of the complacency of US business and its lack of attention to quality undermines their upbeat portrait of the 1980s. German and Japanese auto imports squeezed the Big Three of Detroit, while Japanese firms took over the market for consumer electronics.

    Reagan does not escape criticism, as he allowed the nominal national debt to triple, and it is Bill Clinton who receives praise for reducing the debt and reforming welfare. The book is at its best in profiling the rise of Silicon Valley and the “electronic frontier,” the role of the defense department in the origins of the internet, and the rebirth of American entrepreneurship that led to today’s global dominance by Apple, Google and their corporate brethren.

    What of the great financial crisis? The authors’ account combines the growth of derivatives and securitisation and their interplay with subprime mortgages in an environment of complacency because the financial world had been stable for so long. Greenspan argues against blaming his Fed’s low 2003-05 interest rates for the housing bubble and bust, pointing to a worldwide saving glut that pushed down long-term interest rates. Not mentioned are the regulatory levers his Fed could have used to dampen the housing bubble.

    The book ends with an America in decline. Greenspan and Wooldridge recognise that “more Americans are living better lives than ever before” and paint a stunning portrait of the multi-dimensional improvement in living conditions since the late 19th century. Otherwise the omens are bleak. Productivity growth since 2010 has slowed to a trickle, creative destruction is drying up, business dynamism is fading, labour mobility is ossifying, and business concentration is rising as firms protect themselves with “all sorts of walls and moats.” Besides overregulation, the underlying evil is the growth of entitlements, which crowd out investment spending which in turn pinches productivity growth. The solution is to follow Sweden by moving from a defined-benefit system toward a defined-contribution plan, while indexing the retirement age to rising life expectancy.

    But Sweden stands for much else that the authors ignore — a regime of greater security for ordinary people with medical care and parental leave provided as rights of citizenship, financed by higher taxes, together with less inequality. Further, to blame entitlements for the slump of private investment ignores the fact that the crowding-out mechanism works through high interest rates, whereas actual rates have been historically low. Instead, profit-rich US corporations have chosen to pay higher dividends and buy back shares instead of investing for long-term growth.

    Readers will emerge from this heady blend of economic, business, and political history with a sense of exhilaration that so much of the American experience could be described so vividly and insightfully, but many will prefer a different portfolio of policy prescriptions.

    Capitalism in America: A History, by Alan Greenspan and Adrian Wooldridge, Penguin Press, RRP$35/Allen Press, RRP£25, 486 pages

    Robert Gordon is professor of economics at Northwestern university and author of ‘The Rise and Fall of American Growth’

    Join our online book group on Facebook at FTBooksCafe. Subscribe to FT Life on YouTube for the latest FT Weekend videos

    Is it possible to know the state of the UK public finances under present conditions? No. The unknowns are too great. But the Green Budget — a superb analysis of the UK’s fiscal position by the Institute for Fiscal Studies — shows we do know some things, even if many are “known unknowns”.

    First, we know that overall prospects for the economy are subject to grave uncertainties. One is whether a deal over the withdrawal from the EU, and then on the future relationship, will be reached and, if so, what it will look like. Another is the context in which a post-Brexit UK will determine its place in the world and, above all, how far de-globalisation might go, especially on trade. Perhaps most important is the uncertainty about prospective productivity performance: will it remain as dismal as it has been over much of the past decade? Or are we at the beginning of an improvement? Yet another uncertainty is the collapse of the UK’s policy consensus: the right proposes the UK as a capitalist paradise; the left suggests it should become a socialist one. So we are blind on fundamental issues such as future policies on immigration, the treatment of foreign capital, the role of finance and the future tax regime.

    Second, we know that the Brexit referendum has already been economically damaging. As Citi’s Christian Schulz notes, before the referendum cumulative growth was forecast, on average, at 6.5 per cent from 2015 to 2018. After the vote, cumulative growth was forecast at 4.4 per cent. The outcome now looks to be about 4.9 per cent. Note that the UK’s MSCI index has fallen 24 per cent relative to the US’s and 13 per cent relative to the eurozone’s since the referendum. In brief, Brexit hurts.

    Third, we know to a high degree of certainty that the impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be negative over at least a decade. The overwhelming weight of professional opinion is on this side of the argument. The question is only how negative it will be. That depends on the deal that is struck (if any), the global context (which looks bad right now) and the UK’s policy choices (which are wildly uncertain). A particular concern, well laid out in the Green Budget, comes from the fact that the UK specialises in services, where global liberalisation has been most difficult. That suggests a potential upside, but realising it may not be achieved.

    Fourth, the fiscal position is more difficult than it looks, though this judgment is subject to the uncertainties detailed above. Borrowing has finally returned to pre-crisis levels and the public finances have proved more robust than expected given economic performance. But, adds the IFS report, “without much higher growth than forecast or substantial tax rises, ‘ending austerity’, as the prime minister has promised, is not compatible with eliminating the deficit, as the chancellor has promised, by the mid-2020s”.

    In all probability, the latter promise will be abandoned. But the UK’s net public debt is now some 50 per cent of gross domestic product higher than before the crisis. The ratio of net debt to GDP will also fall very slowly from this high level, if the deficit were not to shrink. This is partly because of the low growth and partly because some items will raise the debt without affecting borrowing: notably, student loans.

    Fifth, “ending austerity” is an ambiguous notion. Does it mean reducing the cyclically adjusted deficit? If so, it is incompatible with the government’s other objectives, under current growth assumptions. But it might mean (and most people probably take it to mean) an end to cuts in departmental spending. But, states the report, if “‘ending austerity’ means no further real cuts to unprotected departments beyond 2019-20, then this would require an additional £15bn of spending by 2022-23”. To meet this level of spending while keeping deficit reduction on course would require tax rises of much the same size. In sum, “ending austerity” means either higher than planned borrowing or higher taxes. Finally, it is very likely that taxes will need to rise: the question is how and by how much. This is partly because the pressures for higher spending have built up so far.

    One significant area is defence. Even in health, spending will almost certainly rise more than is planned. According to the IMF, the ratio of fiscal revenue to GDP this year, at 37 per cent, is well below that of prosperous European countries, such as Germany (on 45 per cent) or the Netherlands (on 44 per cent). The British have long believed they can finance a European welfare state with US taxation. Short of a miracle, that choice will have to be made. The chancellor, Philip Hammond, will not make it. It looms ahead, all the same.

    [email protected]

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @EliteCommInc.
  202. @Anon

    I won’t put paneer up there with Gouda, edam, or muenster, but it goes well with spinach.

  203. Tyrion 2 says:
    @anon

    It does congregate in many ways though. It just doesn’t do that in every way, especially as proven by our limited knowledge. You take struggling with nuance to an absurd level.

    Or do you really think someome reading a DNA test is no more accurate than random at estimating ancestry?

    • Replies: @anon
  204. @Frau Katze

    Chrome incognito windows unavailable on the iPad.

    Firefox exists for iOS (involuntary Open-Source).

    For those of us who use desktops, there’s also the FF extension “Anti-Paywall“, which does pretty much what you would deduce from the name.

    Paywalls seem to have been inspired by the later bastardisation of the legend of King Cnut and the tide. (Also, journalism seems to be dominated by people who can safely be referred to as Ignorant Cnuts, thanks to the human ability to deduce what is meant so long as the fist and last letters are in place).

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  205. Anonymous[746] • Disclaimer says:
    @jack daniels

    Comments?

    Average IQ in Israel is 95.

  206. Anon[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    That’s actually not as far off as you might think. My original paragraph holds true (I stress that this is my interpretation) but the calf and cow were symbols of the reborn Sun (after winter solstice) that matures in the Spring. That was always a Mother-Sun cult.

    The Eastern-Sunrise-Mother Goddess of Life (Eostre, etc) mates with the Father God of the West, Death and Justice (Mars, Tyr, Ares, Mitra, etc) to bear the calf (after the Winter solstice) who matures and runs wild as the Bull in the Spring as the dominant Spring Sun.

    This Bull was a symbol of disorder, social destruction, liberation, and freedom at the hand of young foreign men. The cult was favored by Semitic-mixed peoples like the Greeks and others. See Dionysus. See Tammuz.

    Conversely, the non-Semitic Western types, like those who ran Vedic India, preferred to venerate the God of Law and Order (the West, Death, Justice, etc). He symbolically came to power as the Bull-Sun waned starting after the Summer Solstice, matured in power at the Autumn Equinox and Harvest time, and peaked in power at the Winter Solstice. He was often symbolized as the Ram (see Ares among others) and demonized by the Semitic peoples. In later agricultural Western European pagan religions, this would have been the God of the Harvest (who is venerated in the Fall like the Archangel Michael in Christianity who is also a God of Law and Order).

  207. @megabar

    So high it’s doesn’t exist. As usual they’ve got their burden backwards.

  208. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH

    Yes but the people responsible for inventing, creating and discovering almost everything worthwhile do

    Only over a limited stretch of recent centuries.

  209. @TTSSYF

    To pick another example of universal revealed heriditarianism, why do people care about Lebron James’s 14 year old son’s ability to play basketball if they don’t have a strong prior that he will be exceptional at it? Yet I’d venture to say that the majority of woke NBA fans who care about Bronny would strenuously object to the idea that kids at a bad school with dumb parents were at all predisposed to be less intelligent than kids elsewhere.

  210. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    as long s you struggle, don’t keep on claiming certainty .
    You are neither a geneticist nor a cognitive psychologist ( your argument proves ) You don’t know where to look and how to look at the available data and how to formulate even a possible hypothesis .

    You are ranting

    Don’t rant.

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  211. Agent76 says:

    May 9, 2014 Eugenics: Science In History

    Chronicling the origins and implementation of modern eugenics, from the Enlightenment to the Holocaust.

  212. Factorize says:

    It surprises me greatly that the anti-DNA crowd continue to advance their argument in the face of what already appears to be conclusive evidence.

    The recent Educational Attainment GWAS with over 1 million people should be understood as a near definitive demonstration that traits such as EA and IQ will differ between groups because there will be differing allele frequencies it is no longer plausible to argue otherwise.

    It certainly has me wondering whether once the science has been shown beyond all question to be fully validated the reality deniers simply continue ad hominems and not confront the actual issue.

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  213. @Kratoklastes

    Thanks for the tips. I discovered that Safari has an incognito mode, so I’m OK.

    I was willing to pay for NYT although it was getting worse and worse. Sarah “I hate whites” Jeong on their editorial board was the last straw. I’d been a (digital) subscriber for several years.

    I still pay for the Wall Street Journal, the only place I have found that reviews books that don’t have some SJW angle.

  214. Sure, race exists. Little black girls in England are smarter than you are. Nyah nyah.

    • Replies: @Anon
  215. Anonymous[746] • Disclaimer says:
    @Factorize

    reality deniers

    That’s the key phrase. Even in the Dark Ages people understood that races, intelligence and heritability existed. They could see, and experience them in their daily lives.

    Only lately, after a century of IQ research, we’re getting this new breed of brainwashed lemmings who’ll ignore everything to protect their feels. It’s like talking to a blind, illiterate shut-in.

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  216. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Them Guys

    Trump has signalled that he is watching this; Mexico has deployed soldiers to receive the wave, and Trump greeted this news with “look forward to working with you.” I do not think it will be like last time.
    —-
    Vexillological note: several of the flags of Central America have a blue-white-blue tricolor to celebrate bordering on two great oceans. Guatemala has a vertical one with no device, and neighbors have horizontal ones with an often hard-to-distinguish device telling them apart.

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  217. Anonymous[746] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Your comment is literally bigger than the article. What happened to the “MORE” tag?

  218. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anonymous

    Somalis aren’t Bantus.

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  219. @Jack D

    Try lactose-free soy or almond milk.

  220. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @GourmetDan

    Many geneticists at the top of their field say they do not have the ability to communicate to a general audience on such a complicated and fraught topic.

    In plain English, they’re scared sh-tless of being harassed by mobs of witless, screeching harpies.

  221. @Jack D

    Well explicated and correct. I wish that I could share pics of the examples of old kumis bladders that I had in mind. But in this particular collection in Central Asia, I noted that there was a lot of cutting and sewing involved. These examples were definitely crafted to achieve a certain shape. Perhaps it was particular to the culture and period.

    My father was raised on a farm in a long-lost foreign land, and we used to have minor arguments over what was stale or off in the fridge ;) If I saw a past expiry date, I’d want to chuck it. My pops would sniff it, and more often than not, drink it or eat it. Milks, eggs, and cheese.

    And he also knew about animal bladders. Once we were tossing a football around in the ’70s and he casually mentioned that when he was a kid, they played with balls made from animal bladders, and I couldn’t comprehend…

  222. @J.Ross

    there are bantus in somalia. They are called somali bantus. Its a minority ethnic group there.

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  223. lavoisier says: • Website
    @candid_observer

    Gessen’s column puts on full display the kind of scientific illiteracy and logical incoherence we have come to expect of The New Yorker.

    And for that matter virtually all of the imbeciles that call themselves mainstream journalists.

  224. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    NYT: Helpless Companies are being forced by evil orange man Trump to pay more for workers. Oh the humanity!

    Also NYT:Evil orange man Trump hates workers receiving a living wage because he didn’t agree to a $15 min wage.

  225. Factorize says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, I suppose now that everyone is so highly cocooned into their own virtual gated communities self-apparent differences between groups can somehow be casually dismissed knowing full well that no one on either end of the political spectrum has any meaningful real world experience that would contradict agitprop. In more primitive times and societies people would have a more realistic impression of these group differences because they lived in physical reality and probably would have had a more humanistic understanding of people as people and not as objects in an identity politics grudge match.

    And what conclusion should we expect to reach when the evidence has been finally adjudicated?
    Will the white supremacists then be judged to have been right all along? It seems a very poor strategy to have framed the discussion as it has been. It is so odd to me that a genetically component of IQ is being regarded as a great defeat for egalitarians. They will achieve what they have always wanted: Why not simply declare victory, instead of grasping for defeat? Genetically engineering smarter people already appears to be feasible; it will be fairly cheap and uses low level technology. I still have no conception of how one would go about environmentally engineering a similar level of intelligence.

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  226. J.Ross says: • Website
    @BigDickNick

    … is this the most perfectly meaningless comment from the most gratuitously obscenely named commenter? Would it be reasonable to describe the United Kingdom as Tibet because there are Tibetans in London? Somalis are not Bantus. The other guy was using “Bantu” to mean “Black.” There’s also white people in Somalia, you know: should we call it a white country?

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  227. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    The other guy was using “Bantu” to mean “Black.”

    Nope, and he wasn’t “describing” Somalia in any way, shape or form.

    Perpetually outraged and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  228. anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Perhaps in the somewhat near future even that encouragement may not be needed, if indeed white females find a need to quench their maternal instincts.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-sperm/sperm-count-falling-sharply-in-developed-world-researchers-say-idUSKBN1AA28K

    Couldn’t happen to a better people. ;)

  229. @Wizard of Oz

    There are some real issues with the study as provided. However, this comment,

    “Although the King’s study did not look specifically at students’ socio-economic background, the findings support the view that teenagers from poor and disadvantaged families are less likely than their more privileged counterparts to proceed to a university education for which their genes are well suited. ”

    undermines the very objective of the study. Socio-economic factors would key environmentals to consider based on the supposed research objective(s).

    It was interesting reading.

  230. anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    But a more complete and accurate description would be “Far Right and Far Left”

    Mr.Unz, given the variety of views on this great site, you couldn’t be more accurate.

  231. Them Guys says:
    @Daniel H

    Note how they divert the issue of skulls to,” circumference” and avoid any mention of the skull’s Side Profile, eh…Right, because if they draw atten to side profile of skull shapes, even a 5 year old kid can fast see a huge resemblance between, a typical Ape or Gorilla skull side profiles distinct slant look down from forehead to chin area, with that of the typical Negro and as well most Khazar aka Ashkanazies too.

    Reality says, there is a whole lots more to it all, than their claims of “No differences besides, Skin Color” eh. Originally each separate race of humans began as separate and different Races. But in order to discount any type of God or Creation event, they must attempt every ridiculous, crazed, alternate answers they can conjure up. Race as no more than a social construct, is just another idiotic claim by such astute wonderments called “experts”.

    Anybody who thinks there are no other differences, besides skin color?…Just go live within Detroit for a few months….Then, return here an tell us all what you discovered about No difference besides skin color ok….Or rely on folks like Me and several others here at UNZ forums, who have been born, raised, and lived in Detroit Mich, Before, During and After the Big changes encountered due to a mass infiltration of, Negro Blacks in Detroit……And Detroit is just one example out of a thousand cities that had the exact same story of, gone from great to wasteland and done in Record fast time frames.

  232. Them Guys says:
    @Jack Hanson

    Indeed, and notice also how PC correctness in past few years has totally destroyed most peoples ability to speak a sentence. A good example is TV News shows with a round table of half dozen speaker “experts”. No matter the issue or subject at hand, you can tell how each person when they speak, first goes through a mental thought process. Which causes them to keep halting speech with a bunch of, Ahhh’s and Ummm’s etc before uttering out every third word spoken.

    “Well, as I ahhh ahhh ummm see things about Illegal immigrant issues ahh ummm ahh it ahh seems that ahh ummm hmmm ahh to be that ahh hmm ummmm ahh that if ah ahhh ahh ummmm….

    Plus in order for the massively dumbed downs and Low IQ Blacks to be able to keep up and understand whatever is spoken in a speech on live tv by say, the usa prez or some senator, they always must break up each sentence into small parts….Well folks I have…….Come here to…..Tell you all…..about….our new……plans to go to……..Other…..places abroad… and to….go there for…..a plan to……etc etc.

    It never used to be like this at all….Until the advent of mandated PC correctness, and with the added advances to PC of including the Metoo type “Gotchya” scams….Today everyone is so scared and so in fear of offending anyone, someone, no one, its caused most people to look and sound like a total foolish imbecile.

    Hope I live to see a full return to normalcy and common sense again in speaking, and how folks act in public sectors…I for one never fell for any type PC crap demands, I always have and will continue to speak my mind in private or public, and care not who may like or hate what I say or how I say it. Yes I try to not offend any person on purpose, but I never halt words due to fear of offending anybody or, god forbid, offending their sensibilities! Whatever that means?

    At same time, I won’t hesitate to tell another person to get fucked or fuck off asshole. In fact at times I look forward to a chance to bitch out some stupid lib dem feminist or lezbo or African black clown. We should not have to deal with so many foolish idiots so dumbed down by pc and schools etc….I say, it is We that are the Real True victims in it all!

  233. Them Guys says:
    @Colin Wright

    Right, and what a huge $$$$ scam for usa taxpayers to have to fund costly laptops or desk top computers for every schoolkid now. How do, as per most stats I ever read claim, at least a full Half of black public school students in the usa are unable to read, how do or can they make good use of a computer?……You must be able to read just to type in a damn website address!

    Plus if they use those tax funded computers in schools, in same way as they deal with most all else in life, then probably within a few months each black students computer is as trashed as their typical ghetto dwellings and streets are. Wrecked, Ruined, and non functional within 90 days tops.

    A far better way to spend so many tax dollars would be to have fed or state gov operatives buy boat loads of Dope, Crack, Meth, Heroin, etc and just freely pass it out to all ghetto dwellers ages 10 yrs old and up. They will remain happy and content, wont be raiding closest 711 stores cash registers in gun point armed robberies, nor stalking Whites to rob, rape or murder as long as they maintain a good Buzz on. Plus, if they are just given Downer type dope like heroin and valiums etc. Then they will be too sleepy dreamy like to wreck or riot and burn neighborhoods down at the drop of a Chicken Bone!…A Nationwide, Win Win!

  234. Them Guys says:
    @Anon

    I rather see them do an article on…How a few years ago they said that the new much higher costs for vehicle fuels, especially Diesel fuel for big rig trucks, was main reason we kept seeing much higher costs for most every food item and product….That was back when a Gallon of Diesel was about $4.50 to even $5.00 per gal. nationwide, recall that?….So okay, if that was Main reason for such higher grocery store costs on all foods etc……Then why now, after we have seen a drastic drop to aprox one half cost per gallon of Diesel and Gasoline, closer to $2.50 per gal, most every higher cost food product has still remained higher priced?

    When will grocery store costs drop along with costs of big rig trucker fuels expenses?

    Its begun to sound same as prior and older stories we were told of how, food costs had to rise due to, Shortages of Coffee, and Peanuts for peanut butter, Sugars, Butter etc….Almost akin to claims of Peak Oil, eh….And of which so far, even 20-25 years later, zero actual shortages have occurred.

    Perhaps it is and has been no more than a bunch of corporate producers mass of abject Lies, with well grant paid scientists going along with all such claims. They must believe we all simply forget these claims as time passes eh?….Well most folks do not fast forget such claims when so many prices go so much higher and never return back down.

    Based upon My Math…If Costly fuels resulted in much higher food prices?…Then at todays Half rate of truckers fuel, we should see most food items go down by a factor of Half in current high prices. Because they were doubled mostly when fuels were twice as much cost.

    Also, if Low wage paid china workers is reason for todays lower prices on many, maybe most things you now buy such as furniture’s and kids toys, appliances, and everything from A to Z mainly…Then why are Jap made Autos not far cheaper to buy yet?…..And Korean cars too, should be far lower in prices. Even usa made cars and trucks are mainly made in Mexico now….Yet new pick up trucks are about $40-50+ grand!….While Mexican auto workers get paid $5 per hr right?

    Maybe whoever is in charge of whichever fed agency oversees Consumer Gouging’s and corp monopoly laws has been fast asleep at wheel lately?

  235. Them Guys says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Very correct! For if zero European Whiteys ever existed, you would save plenty of shekels$$$ by never needing to buy a vacume cleaner or broom to clean the Dirt floor in your cave or, Mud mixed with shit made Hut dwellings. No money spent at grocery stores due to being just Cannibals again. And more phys fit savages due to no cars or planes, so all savages must walk…Or…Run when chased by neighboring tribe savages seeking a cannibal dinner with You as main dish!

    No Velcro since no Whitey got the great idea to create Velcro by observing how, that Nappy Savage negro kinky stuff called Hair, sticks to everything so swell, eh….Indeed what a wonderful Wakanda Floating in mid air savage created and built city life it would be, if zero whiteys ever existed….But then You awoke from your comic book Wakanda dream, and realized how much of an idiot low life you actually are. You should Profusely Thank every European White you ever encounter for their existence you abject fool.

  236. @Anon

    We were forced to drink a tiny (third of a pint?) bottle of sun-or-radiator-warmed, Welfare-State-provided milk every day in primary school. On particularly un-British days it was often curdled and stank.
    The only way you could dodge it was by actually vomiting it back up, as the shrewish schoolmarm would stand over the renegades until they complied. Often with a sizeable wooden rule twitching in her wizened paw.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  237. Just go live within South Boston for a few months….

    Just go live within South Philly for a few months….

    Just go live within Hell’s kitchen for a few months….

    Until these communities were heavily invested in — they were the white bastions of criminal infernos. Not restricted to city life, Hillbilly Eglogy makes a case that deviance is no respecter of color. But one only be an honest broker of history to get that and the dynamics that create said environments –

    http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/race-crime-and-statistical-malpractice-how-the-right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data/

    • Agree: Okechukwu
    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @Anonymous
  238. Che Guava says:

    I have my doubts about lactose intolerance in general. I am sure it exists, but …

    In Japan in the mid-1980s, milk products were relatively not favoured, soy milk was much more common.

    Later, companies started promoting yoghurt as a particularly healthy part of the diet, the promotion succeeded.

    By the mid-1990s, soy milk (although still very much available now) had been eclipsed by cow’s milk. IMHO, because of the popularisation of yoghurt.

    So, I have to wonder how much the earlier attiude was because of a social myth, not a genuine genetic code for lactose intolerance.

    I have a close friend who says she is soy-product (without enough processing) intolerant. That was very surprising to me, but sure believe it, without having to see evidence.

    OTOH, alcohol is another matter, have friends whose faces become bright red after one drink, others who avoid it because they behave too stupidly after one. From my observation, that is more real, for all but the tiny minority of lactose intolerant people (again, I do understand that it is a real phenomenon, but think it is grossy exaggerated).

  239. Them Guys says:
    @Anon

    I admit I know very little about all these scientific worded terms. I just had to look up the meaning of “Hominin”. But as I expected to find based on what you and several others here have written. I found a nice color photo of some type Monkey or Ape. And a short description of scientific gobbly gook wordings. But which seem to state that, indeed my prior reply postings here where I asked or implied as to a Yes or a No answer of….Are African Black folks mixed with DNA genetics from Apes and Chimps and Baboons etc?…..From what you posted here and what I found when looking up meaning of word of, hominin, it appears the answer is a resounding Yes.

    So if I am correct here?…Then I also fully agree that no sane scientist today is ever going to go public with such info or evidence proofs. They would be hounded and destroyed as a vile racist, and worse.

    However, if I am correct here in assuming a Yes answer to Blacks did mix and mate with actual monkeys and apes etc….Then thanks for confirming it. It has been something I have wondered about since at the age of about 10 years old, when the first black family moved into my prior all white Detroit neighborhood, which now was, 55 years ago.

    Regardless what type lib lefty nonsense we ever heard and still hear about how Everybody evolved from Africa and African blacks etc…I rejected and still reject it as 100% pure BS nonsense.

    I am a European White Man, and even though have far less formal education than many here have. I am still aware enough and smart enough to see and know deep down the vast differences between whites vs blacks.

    I also feel that No other explanation ever yet offered from any DNA or other type scientists, makes more sense than, that to me and many other layman folks if zero monkey mix occurred…Than what else can best explain the how’s and whys of…Why do most, maybe 95% or more, of African Blacks regardless Where they live or for how long there, not just look so alike to an Ape, but also Act so alike to real monkeys and apes?

    If you could mix or mate a common dog breed with say, a bald eagle…You’d expect to achieve a flying dog no?…And a Eagle Bird that Barks!….So ergo if blacks do not possess ape dna?…Why do they act as much like a real ape as the real apes at Detroit Zoo?

    We most certainly ain’t the same except for skin color, eh.

    ps: it seems due to affirmative action policy and PC agendas, with so many, many unqualified low IQ type Blacks in so many fed and state govnt jobs now…It is no real wonder that most everything is run backwards, inefficiently and overall bad as can get. And makes those Planet of the Apes Movies look more realistic every week that passes by. America…A Nation Run with sub human monkey mixed low level and bad attitude black workers. Maybe the next new episode can be called….Planet of the Apes= America in Real Time! soon at local theaters near You!

    • Replies: @Anon
  240. Them Guys says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    That link you posted is the most anti white racist Jewboy alive today in usa. Plus a raging rabid lefty commie to boot…Maybe HufPo web forums is more attuned to you eh.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  241. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    race-crime-and-statistical-malpractice-how-the-right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data

    Really? I’ve lived in MENA countries for years. You didn’t, obviously

    There’s a reason why only White countries are subjected to this senseless invasion.

    You’ve never lived in a country that was both smart and safe? Tragic.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  242. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Factorize

    Genetically engineering smarter people already appears to be feasible; it will be fairly cheap and uses low level technology. I still have no conception of how one would go about environmentally engineering a similar level of intelligence.

    Nor does anyone else, including the Department of Education, although a glimmer of false hope had been provided by the early reports of cognitive improvement with the Dual N Back testing. But the money now seems to be on weightlifting, with genetics still a poor second at best.

  243. Them Guys says:
    @anon

    Then if DNA don’t tell a race of a person, how does the FBI use DNA samples from a Raped victim woman, to determine if it is a Suspook Black Rapist or a white suspect?

  244. Them Guys says:
    @J.Ross

    Yes that flag I saw a part of was white and blue colors. Not sure but iirc was a horizontal blue line against white background colors. What matters Most is that even though they flood into My America and Your America, they still so Love their own nation to Proudly carry its flag as they enter here.

    I swear man, give me 100% us prez controls for only six months or less, and I’d have 90% of all current and past problems fixed and the usa would be then run like a fine swiss watch…Close to perfect.

    No real reasons all this flooding of non whites into, Only white nations cannot be stopped and every current illegal be booted OUT!…We Owe nobody else anything like instant citizenships etc.

    I wish at times we were back in Cowboys era as it was absolute most freedom and liberty era ever in usa. And in that era we’d see a million armed patriots headed to south border regions to defend it and boot out invaders……This is more than any other cause, a cause caused by international Jews.

    Every white nation now, and ONLY white nations are affected by it. Why isn’t multicultic diversity swell for Japs? or Africa? or China? eh?…Nope only for White nations, destruction is main key goal. And nothing more so pisses me off. Except maybe that too many fellow whiteys do not seem to care enough if at all, that is even worse for pissing me off I guess.

  245. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    So your problem with Minnesotan Somalis is that they’re all part of the “Somali Bantu” minority, and if they were Somali Somalis (as they actually are) they’d be fine?

  246. Paul Rain says:

    Huh. I dunno about Frankie Fredericks. He could have a bit of German in him, but he doesn’t look that atypical for a Herrero.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  247. Them Guys says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Just another brick in the Wall….Teacher! Leave them kids alone! Pink Floyd classic song.

    The more time passes, the more I learn, the more convinced I am that quitting school after I completed 8th grade in a Detroit public school system, was The Best thing I ever did in my lifetime.

    I grew up very poor and lived in a Detroit fed public housing projects as a small kid from age 9-10 until age 18. Moved away, then returned home to stay and help protect my mom and help support her until finally she remarried. I was then 20 yrs old.

    When I quit school at age 15, the principal, assistant Principal, and several others in control plus my Math teacher called me into the main office to show me the IQ tests we all took at beginning of 7th grade. They thought by showing me the test results it would change my mind on quitting school. Well according to those California/Iowa IQ testings done back then, they told me I scored 3rd from the top of aprox. 3,500+ students in 3 seperate school districts. I was aged 12 when took those tests…They also said my total IQ level score was rated at, 142, and was very close to genius level. Two of them accused me of cheating!….So, I asked them, Well who did I copy and cheat from?..They got confused…I said…If I did cheat and copy from another kids test paper, which of the other Two kids who scored a bit hgher than I did sat close enough to me so I could see their test answer pages?….Because who else could I have copied from to cheat if everyone else scored much lower than me?….That had them staring like a deer in headlights! Then they admitted those two kids with a bit higher score were at a seperate school and district from mine. So obviously I couldn’t cheat if wanted to, since my score was higher than all other kids, except for those two others.

    Then they all tried in vain to get me to remain in school…So I said ok lets do a deal, you say my Math and History and all other things tested, except for spelling usage and usage of commas, verbs etc I scored 4.5 to 5 full grades above 7th grade…Therefore place me into a 1st or 2nd year college course and I will stay in school….Otherwise, why should I remain in lower grades than my testings show I qualify for?…I also asked every one of them, whats their IQ level scores compared to mine at my age of 12 when took tests?….After a few hesitations…My Math teacher guy, told me…I checked and you scored higher than all of us here now as adults….I then said, Ok then maybe I should be teaching all of You folks since you say I am smarter right….They didn’t like that responce but could not well argue it at all either.

    Well they finally admitted the main and only real reason for Not allowing me to advance into a college course at age 15 yrs, let alone back when I was 12 yrs old and tested, was due to…State and fed funds paid about $500 per year, per student head count!…Ah Ha….So thats it eh, acted so concerned for my future in school, yet wont let me enter a college I am well qualified for due to more $$$ per year if I remain in school another 5-6 yrs before college.

    I figured if my tested iq was 142 at age 12 yrs, it probably was higher at age 15, and I quit school then and there and never yet regreted it a bit…I got jobs, earned money, by age 18-20 had own small buisness and retired by age 36.5 yrs old…Early retirement due mainly to several vehicle accidnt’s, none my fault at all per official police reports and live witness’.

    I am very lucky I quit school just a bit prior to when all those lib marxist agendas and programs were first enacted…Them Bastards never got their claw hooks very deeply into my mind eh…Most kids who stayed in school then, my old class mates, ended up as liberal marxist dem basket cases in their mind dept’s…And I’d wager their schoolings had much to do with ending up so lib brainwashed. Indeed…Teacher! leave them kids Alone!

    I also quit going to catholic church at same age 15 when quit school, after they enacted, Vatican-Jew II…Best two things I did that saved me from their brainwashings and commie teachings. Plus I simply Hated school with a passion like nothing else I ever hated. Good thing I never got called for army duty during vietnam era….I’d have ended up doing 20 yrs hard labor gulag style, as Id never adapt to military regulation style life…Some of Us were born to be an Independant thinker I reckon. And self-taught via life experiences and massive amounts of constant reading stuff, all types stuff is better education system in my opinion. Drink that soured chunky Milk in school? That’ll be the Day!

  248. Okechukwu says:

    There’s no grand conspiracy to keep this junk out of the mainstream. You can’t expect theories that are easily falsified to gain scientific currency. Anyone can easily refute this nonsense. But try refuting the law of universal gravitation.

    Here’s why this is a lost cause. Okay, you’ve got your “graphs” and your “data” and you’re trying desperately to convince people that this or that race is smarter or dumber. But, inevitably, someone will retort that they know this or that person who is absolutely brilliant and this or that other person who is a complete nincompoop. End of discussion.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Anon
  249. @candid_observer

    Gessen’s column puts on full display the kind of scientific illiteracy and logical incoherence we have come to expect of The New Yorker.

    “… of The New Yorker, and… well… Jews”

    Fixed that for you.

    You’re welcome.

  250. @Anon

    I don’t imagine that (((David Reich))) would be likely to need any excuse at all to do an anti-racism panel.

  251. @Hypnotoad666

    I wish you’d stop inconveniently pointing out that NYT Jews – like all other agenda-driven Jews (or, as I tend to think of them, “Jews”) – are fanatically stubborn to the point of blindness and insensate stupidity when it comes to the ability to follow a rational, logical line of reasoning which is in any way contrary to their native neurosis.

  252. Skeptikal says:
    @Jack D

    I like milk!
    I grew up drinking raw milk.
    Sometimes straight from the cow.
    When my father was milking.

    This whole discussion sounds udderly hysterical.
    Really.
    More hysterical than anything else I have read lately.

  253. @Okechukwu

    End of discussion.

    Until we win and you lose, repeatedly, that is indeed the case.

    After that I suspect your attitude will improve.

  254. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @William D. Wall

    I apologize for the delay. Below, find references to science articles (mostly actual research articles, but there is one popular article that references research and one Wikipedia reference) to get you started along with very short summaries (mine).

    Reference the articles in the links for fuller abstracts (summaries) for the research articles. That should give you a foundation to enable you to consider the information and research further as needed.

    Research conclusion: Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/

    Research conclusion: Eastern Mediterranean needs to be considered as just as likely a place of hominin diversification and hominin origins as tropical Africa.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0177127

    Research conclusion: No known hominin is ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans (Cro Magnid).

    https://phys.org/news/2013-10-hominin-ancestor-neanderthals-modern-humans.html

    Research conclusion: “Caucasians” did not evolve from Africans and likely did not migrate out of Africa, but into Africa.

    http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

    A territorial origin of haplogroups α- and β-remains unknown; however, the most likely origin for each of them is a vast triangle stretched from Central Europe in the west through the Russian Plain to the east and to Levant to the south. Haplogroup B is descended from β-haplogroup (and not from haplogroup A, from which it is very distant, and separated by as much as 123,000 years of “lat- eral” mutational evolution) likely migrated to Africa after 46,000 ybp. The finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid haplogroups, as well as all non-African haplogroups do not carry either SNPs M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262, M32, M59, P289, P291, P102, M13, M171, M118 (haplogroup A and its subclades SNPs) or M60, M181, P90 (haplogroup B), as it was shown recently in “Walk through Y” FTDNA Project (the reference is incorporated therein) on several hundred people from various haplogroups.

    Research conclusion: Genetic evidence for archaic admixture in Africa

    http://www.pnas.org/content/108/37/15123.full

    Research conclusion: Early modern humans mated with archaic hominids in Africa. Sub-Saharan genetic diversity is due to introgression with archaic Hominids.

    My note: Europeans do not share the genetics of these hominids, which means that we did not evolve from Black Africans. Also see the rest of the evidence presented in this reply that also supports this conclusion.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/21/285734

    Research conclusion: 28,000 yr old European Cro Magnid genetics are unchanged from modern European genetics, and are absent any Hominid admixture.

    The Paglicci 23 individual carried a mtDNA sequence that is still common in Europe, and which radically differs from those of the almost contemporary Neandertals, demonstrating a genealogical continuity across 28,000 years, from Cro-Magnoid to modern Europeans.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0002700

    Research conclusions (from the conclusions cited at Wikipedia): Neanderthal-derived and Denisovan-derived ancestry is significantly absent from most modern populations in Sub-Saharan Africa..

    The findings show that the source of modern human gene flow into Neanderthals originated from a population of early modern humans from about 100,000 years ago, predating the out-of-Africa migration of the modern human ancestors of present-day non-Africans

    My summary: European and Asian mixing with Eurasian hominids (Neanderthal and Denisovan) did not occur in Africa (as evidenced by the fact that Africans largely do not carry these genetics), but at the same time would have had to occur well before the proposed Out of Africa Date. This invalidates the Out of Africa Date, and thus a crucial pillar of the theory (which is date specific according to their cited evidence).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humans

    • Replies: @j2
  255. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    See my recent reply to William D. Wall.

    There are no books. You have to read the research (start with what I cite in my reply) and decide what it invalidates and what it validates. In my opinion, it clearly invalidates the human evolutionary theory that says that we evolved from modern Black Africans who, in turn, were said to evolve from Hominids.

    What it points to is that we migrated to Africa and procreated (again, likely by rape in my opinion) with male hominids. The same process likely occurred in East Asia to create the Asian races.

    To prove the mainstream account at this point, you’d have to disprove that Black Africans mated with archaic hominids

    here:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/21/285734

    http://www.pnas.org/content/108/37/15123.full

    and that this study is completely wrong:

    http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

    That’s to start. No one is going to volunteer to challenge those studies, nor would they be able to be successful at such a challenge.

    That’s the problem with lies of omission. Once what you omitted is revealed in the public sphere, given that omission of those facts was the only action framing your lie as the truth, you don’t have an option of going back to validate your lie without successfully criticizing the previously omitted fact. Due to the nature of a lie of omission, that omitted fact / variable will almost always be difficult to criticize and prove wrong / account for (or it would have been criticized / accounted for instead of being omitted in the first place).

    In this case, to criticize the previously omitted fact they would have to go back and do what they are desperately trying to avoid: test modern Africans for archaic hominid genetics with a lot of press covering the results.

    Of course, these tests were previously accomplished regardless. These test results eradicate their modern theories that hold that we evolved from modern Africans, and would cause a hell-storm of sociopolitical backlash as a result.

    So, what is their response instead? To ignore the research, as any whiff of notice and critique would commit them to re-running the research that will get the same result.

    This is why you won’t be able to read a book nor be able to take a course on this. You need to read the research.

  256. @Anon

    Also, gulab jamun and kala jamun. But I’ll admit the syrup is the real taste factor there; the cheese is mostly there for texture. Many recipes don’t even use cheese: they use milk powder,vdugar, ghee, etc.

  257. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The Puritans hated liquor but loved their beer.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  258. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Them Guys

    Not quite chimps and baboons, but archaic hominids (“archaic” being a word that tends to describe non-neanderthal hominids whose evidence of existence is often found in Africa). See my later responses to Anon and William. D Wall (trace them back through the reply links), starting with William.

  259. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    See my recent reply to William D. Wall.

    There are no books. You have to read the research (start with what I cite in my reply) and decide what it invalidates and what it validates. In my opinion, it clearly invalidates the human evolutionary theory that says that we evolved from modern Black Africans who, in turn, were said to evolve from Hominids.

    What it points to is that we migrated to Africa and procreated (again, likely by rape in my opinion) with male hominids. The same process likely occurred in East Asia to create the Asian races.

    To prove the mainstream account at this point, you’d have to disprove that Black Africans mated with archaic hominids

    here:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/21/285734

    http://www.pnas.org/content/108/37/15123.full

    and that this study is completely wrong:

    http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

    That’s to start. No one is going to be able to do that.

    That’s the problem with lies of omission. Once what you omitted is revealed in the public sphere, given that omission of those facts was the only action framing your lie as the truth, you don’t have an option of going back to validate your lie without successfully criticizing the previously omitted fact. Due to the nature of a lie of omission, that omitted fact will almost always be difficult to criticize and prove wrong (or it would have been criticized instead of being omitted in the first place).

    In this case, to criticize the previously omitted fact they would have to go back and do what they are desperately trying to avoid: test modern Africans for archaic hominid genetics with a lot of press covering the results.

    Of course, these tests were previously accomplished regardless. These test results eradicate their modern theories that hold that we evolved from modern Africans, and would cause a hell-storm of sociopolitical backlash as a result.

    So, what is their response instead? To ignore the research, as any whiff of notice and critique would commit them to re-running the research that will get the same result.

    This is why you won’t be able to read a book nor be able to take a course on this. You need to read the research.

  260. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu

    Spoken like someone who has no notion of (racially rooted) Bell Curves nor their observable affect on social outcomes of all kinds. You don’t project a grasp of simple statistics, and so your claims as to what is easily falsifiable don’t exactly have a lot of credibility.

    That academics can lose their jobs for seriously challenging the orthodoxy is enough proof that there is concerted effort to keep this out of the mainstream.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  261. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    So if I understand correctly, milk is healthy for whites and unhealthy for Blacks, Jews and Asians?

    In a sensible society this would be said openly, without obfuscatory BS, and people would be free to do as suits them according to their nature. Instead of that, we have people campaigning to brand all milk as unconditionally unhealthy for everybody – and “Nazi” to boot.

  262. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    As those “smart” black little negro girls glare in wonder at all of the airplanes, cars, boats, modern clothing, communication, technology, electricity, indoor plumbing, vaccines and other modern medicine, fair legal system, classical music and instruments, metallurgy, uncorrupt police and government, protection from a modern military, two thousand years of literature, bevy of well developed languages, etc. that they are utterly cocooned in by their “inferiors” and that they fail to lead in once in the workforce.

    By the way, as they live in ‘England”, a country whose name has a very precise racial connotation that is not them but who at one time owned 80% of the planet and still keeps within her sphere of influence a great deal of that land.

    Why were these geniuses just waiting down there in grass hut villages awaiting to unleash civilization on the rest of us?

    Why do they overwhelmingly choose to bang out three to six illegitimate kids from thug baby daddies like yourself, and go on welfare instead of becoming physicists or aerospace engineers? Is physics too racist and beneath them?

  263. Okechukwu says:
    @Anon

    Spoken like someone who has no notion of (racially rooted) Bell Curves nor their observable affect on social outcomes of all kinds.

    Oh, gee, I suppose you think I haven’t heard your bullshit before. Get out of here.

    Firstly, you have no idea what the true averages are, as no one has, will or can ever do a credible comparison of the innate intelligence of various groupings around the world. You ain’t gonna beat Kalahari Bushmen on an IQ test of their own design, bruh. You’ll be lucky to score 30.

    Secondly, only IQists, who quite ironically aren’t very smart themselves, would perceive human intelligence in terms of averages. What does that even mean? Whose averages? Based on what? My reference was to intrinsic human intelligence, not some paper test of dubious efficacy.

    That academics can lose their jobs for seriously challenging the orthodoxy is enough proof that there is concerted effort to keep this out of the mainstream.

    Real, provable and repeatable scientific principles are immune to social or professional opprobrium. The fact that people are censured for promulgating racist pseudoscience provides stark evidence of the invalidity of racist pseudoscience. If the academics were propounding a valid idea they would be untouchable.

  264. @Okechukwu

    You ain’t gonna beat Kalahari Bushmen on an IQ test of their own design

    Except that wouldn’t be an IQ test, but a Specialist Knowledge test. Nobody – including you – will ever do well on a Specialist Knowledge test set by a specialist in a subject about which they know nothing. Do you imagine that your Kalahari bushmen would do well on a test about the earthquake-proof technology of Tokyo skyscrapers ? Or the design of the turbo-engine for the Airbus A320 ?

    Or are you in fact really telling me that you don’t understand the difference between a generic human IQ test, and a Specialist Knowledge test in any subject ? If you’re really saying that, you are so severely intellectually and educationally handicapped on the subject of human intelligence and it’s proven racial differences that you really have no place discussing anything at all in a high-IQ forum such as this.

  265. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    I agree that “innateness” is a big question. I also agree that using an average is really only useful for sociological issues and not at the level of the individual but I wonder:

    If you were to put a probability on whether or not the global white average innate IQ exceeded the black average, what probablity would you put it at?

    I’ll take 50% to mean that you think they are likely the same.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Okechukwu
  266. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I’ll also add that your rejection of modern IQ tests is a silly one. They have been extensively developed and tested over many decades and extremely widely adopted to continually proven practical effect. It does no justice to the rest of your argument that on that one particular issue you are so willing to fly in the face of plain reality.

  267. @Okechukwu

    The fact that people are censured for promulgating racist pseudoscience provides stark evidence of the invalidity of racist pseudoscience

    No, you ignorant cretin. It proves only that those blind, stubborn, pathologically-ill, ruthless, profoundly evil, mortally-dangerous controllers of all discourse who have a fixed interest in maintaining the status quo (ie. the inexorable movement towards chaos and destruction) are utterly single-minded in their determination to root out and destroy all contrary thought and behaviour – n0 matter how well-founded in science, or any other branch of proven, incontrovertible human knowledge.

    And you didn’t know that, right ?

    Yeah, right.

  268. @jack daniels

    If Jews were excluded by religion from hereditary aristocracy, church hierarchy, and land-ownership, and responded by developing a focus on trade and finance

    Indeed.

    Except that, of course, they were not. The Jewish worship of money, and their genetic addiction to “finance”, usury, unlawful gain, “sharp practices”, and utterly immoral and disgustingly racist financial dishonesty even with their own kind, not to mention with all “unclean” Gentiles, has been an unchanging, obvious, fixed and stereotypical Jewish character trait for very, very much longer than that:

    Now the Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. He found in the temple those selling cattle and sheep and doves, and the money brokers in their seats. So after making a whip of ropes, he drove all those with the sheep and cattle out of the temple, and he poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. And he said to those selling the doves: “Take these things away from here! Stop making the house of my Father a house of commerce!” – John Ch.2 V.14-16

  269. @anonymous

    Interesting – thank you.

    But I can categorically assure you, and would happily lay any amount of money you might care to name as a wager, that “Ruth Kimmelshue” is most certainly NOT a “White Gentile”.

    I would place an educated guess that probably goes also for “Marcel Smits”.

  270. @Them Guys

    I am interested in the content of his analysis. And while I disagree with some aspects — he positions that stats argument in its proper context by juxtaposing it against the entire black population, not merely a small percentage.

    If one wants to have a fear based on the percentages advanced by most people in the majority – fine by me. But on the whole, such fears to the actual numbers — really looks and sounds irrational.

    even if one has issues with the messenger.

    laughing, I decided to take a break from, making these arguments myself.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  271. @Anonymous

    Since I am unclear what you are referring to, I can only say your comments have no frame by which I can address your issue — they don’t make any sense.

    I have lived in several countries. And frankly, I felt safe in all of them, Including at least one underdeveloped country. There was a time when i might have felt safe south of the border, but those days are long gone. And while I acknowledge that the majority of the US population is white, it has never been an “all white” country.

    I hope that answers your inquiry.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  272. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Great post. Naturally, Okechukwu won’t even understand it but others will.

  273. Anonymous[947] • Disclaimer says:

    Ideally IQ tests should be abstract from any cultural or educational influences. Rotate an object in your mind and picture it from unseen directions. This sort of thing.

  274. Anon[212] • Disclaimer says:

    So much gentrification is genetrification. Just look at the color divides.

  275. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    And while I acknowledge that the majority of the US population is white, it has never been an “all white” country.

    The point is – I believe – that even in multi-racial countries like the US, only “white” (or some other high-IQ East Asian) areas are relatively (?!) safe. It’s the black/brown ghettos that you’re explicitly warning your (white) kids to avoid.

    Meanwhile – if you live in Iceland, Slovakia or Poland (99+% white but different “development” scores) – you’d probably let your 18 year old daughter join her (female) friend and hitchhike to a 3-day hiking trail in your own, white, high-IQ country.

    …or:

    Performance Artist Killed on Peace Trip Is Mourned

    MILAN — The two friends, both performance artists, hatched the idea about a year ago: wearing white wedding dresses, they would hitchhike from Italy to the Balkans to the Middle East to send a message of peace and “marriage between different peoples and nations.”

    But the message delivered by their performance piece was mostly sad and raw. After just three weeks on the road, one of the two Italian artists, Pippa Bacca, 33, was killed by a driver who offered her a ride.

    Her naked body was found on April 11 in some bushes near a Turkish village after a suspect led investigators to the site. Although an official cause of death has not been given, local Turkish authorities said Ms. Bacca had been raped and strangled.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  276. @anon

    In March 2003, investigators turned to Tony Frudakis, a molecular biologist who said he could determine the suspect’s race by analyzing his DNA

    . https://www.wired.com/2007/10/the-inconvenient-science-of-racial-dna-profiling/

    The chance of mis-identifying a European as an African or E. Asian is exponentially small!

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2008/11/european-genetic-substructure.html

  277. Anon[970] • Disclaimer says:

    Care for some printed modern Jewish ethnocentrism and racism, to contrast with their duplicitous persecution of “their enemies” who are every non-Jewish White person whom they denounce as “supremacist” for wanting the same things that they do?

    Here you are:

    https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2018/05/israels-demographic-miracle/

    V. The Secret Zionist Victory

    We can sum up the story so far:

    In 2000, for each Arab child born in Israel there were two Jewish children: a ratio of 2/1.

    In 2010, for each Arab child born in Israel there were three Jewish children: a ratio of 3/1.

    In 2020, two years from now, if current trends hold, for every Arab child born in Israel there will be four Jewish children: a ratio of 4/1.

    Absolute numbers tell the story even more starkly. In 2001, 95,146 Jewish children were born in Israel, and 41,440 Arab children; in 2015 the respective numbers were 137,708 and 41,016. In other words, within a mere fifteen years the number of Jewish children rose by more than 45 percent while the number of Arab children remained essentially unchanged.

    The continued ingathering of Jews to Israel is an added source of demographic optimism. Since the turn of the century and the petering-out of the massive wave of Jewish immigrants from the ex-Soviet Union, smaller but still significant numbers have been coming both from the former USSR and from such countries as France, Ethiopia, and the U.S. In the last decade the net gain (subtracting returning Israelis and new immigrants who subsequently left) has been fairly constant at an average of about 20,000 annually or more than 200,000 additional Jews each decade.

    These statistics tell a heartening tale concerning the demographic strength needed for Israel to survive and prevail in its existential struggle with its enemies. They also tell another tale—a Jewish tale—concerning Israel’s relationship to the diaspora.

  278. Them Guys says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    In other words You like several others here, are unable to ever pass up a chance to rally for, promote, support and totally Defend every Jew and Negro discussed in any way, shape or form.

    As to Fear?….Obvious that you never yet lived anywhere such as Detroit Mich or Chicago. Nor in any location where the ratio of Blacks Vs Whites leans very heavy on the Black numbers side as a majority pop. It is unhealthy and downright dangerous for any sane white person to not maintain a healthy type fear, when surrounded by such huge numbers of savages.

    For prime examples of that see: Various websites articles and color photos of a before and after look at the Many, Many, Too Many White females who also thought “What’s to fear being in close proximity with Negroes?” and “But My Black Boyfriend never would act that way to Me!”….Most in the before Negro Coontact, look very pretty…Yet in those after Negro Coontact photos, Look more like badly beaten, knifed 40 times, throats slit, set on Fire while still barley alive, in order to get rid of the evidence of the typical Rape prior to the actual vicious, violent murders committed on those “I have No Fear” Former pretty Whitey women…..When they attack White males, they usually do not do the Rape parts and just go straight to the Vicious Murder parts.

    And when you do the math based on worlds best ever, FBI Violent Crime Yearly stats reports…A typical American White person is about, 50-Times more likely to get Murdered by a Black male aged 14 to 27 yrs old….Than any Blacks are to be murdered by a White person. That’s when you account also for the huge differences in overall population numbers of us vs them too. Leave that out and you get numbers much lower. Which is probably the main method used by Jewboy and anti-whitey guy Tim Wise. Plus add in a few Alinsky tactics for good measure.

    Incogman website a year or two ago did an extensive expose’ on Tim Wise and it explains him to the proverbial T.

  279. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu

    Oh, gee, I suppose you think I haven’t heard your bullshit before. Get out of here.

    You actually ignore the concept of IQ curves in general with your prior statements, whether or not those distributions are essentially rooted in race or not, when you imply that population IQ distribution is meaningless / nonexistent if the member of one group has a higher IQ than another member of the same group.

    If you are denying the statistical distributions of test performance, in general, then you’re denying standardized testing and its decades long statistical results that always form around a Bell Curve for any population. Which would mean that you are uneducated on this subject and can’t possibly think you are keeping up with this conversation.

    To deny that population results distribute along a Bell Cure is to deny the basic foundation of our standardized testing and its observed results. We have used these standardized tests for psychology, education, cognitive function testing for decades.

    Population results always conform to a Bell Curve. No one tries to form a Bell Curve with the distribution. It forms because there is a repeatable statistical distribution for each population.

    Firstly, you have no idea what the true averages are, as no one has, will or can ever do a credible comparison of the innate intelligence of various groupings around the world.

    Do you understand how IQ works? Its a standardized number, not an absolute number. That means that its very definition is roughly based on one groups 50 percentile score, or average score.

    They take one group, figure out the 50% percentile score (a simplification of the process), and label that score 100. This is the reference group whose distribution (Bell Curve) the test is standardized to.

    All other groups score and are plotted relative to the reference group. In the case of IQ , the modern tests are standardized to American White populations. So, yes, is axiomatic that we know what their average score is. Their average score of 100 is the definition of average for IQ tests. Though, I would offer that such standardization would be more interesting if the reference groups were haplotype tested beforehand and standardized to one haplotype group (one genetic tribe).

    We don’t have to know what the scores are around the world. We know what the group distribution is here, which is what matters. That distribution has been linked to social outcomes.

    Though, it is likely that worldwide scores for each genetic tribe, with all variables controlled for, would be similar.

    Secondly, only IQists, who quite ironically aren’t very smart themselves, would perceive human intelligence in terms of averages.

    Or those who are competent in math and science.

    What does that even mean? Whose averages? Based on what?

    I explained that to you earlier in this reply. Its obvious that you don’t know how standardized tests work. Try to learn.

    My reference was to intrinsic human intelligence, not some paper test of dubious efficacy.

    Is “intrinsic human intelligence” a black thing invented to rebut “science jerks”? That’s how it sounds.

    Standardized IQ testing “efficacy” is not, nor can it be, “dubious” because it simply measures relative performance in comparison to the reference group.

    It is not attempting to measure anything in isolation, only in comparison. Thus, your contingent’s frequent protest that it doesn’t measure intelligence sounds ridiculous to anyone who has a basic grasp of statistics and standardized tests.

    Performance on a select set of tasks, compared to the reference group performance, is what is measured. Call it IQ or call it something else. Semantics do not matter.

    If the Black group performs less well on those specific tasks, that performance being what “IQ” measures, then they absolutely perform less well an there can be no debate. Their score distribution is what it is.

    If society deems that task performance to be representative of the type of cognitive ability that represents intelligence, then it does. And it does.

    And, moreover, social and income outcomes have been found to well correlate to society’s assertion of that fact.

    If corporations and universities correlate those tasks to the best measurement of who will do best in their systems, then they do. And they do, either explicitly (some corps test applicants) or implicitly (through SAT/ACT tests, grades, etc). There can be no serious argument against their experience and preference.

    You can call the measurement of this performance IQ measurement or something else if that hurts your feelings. However, the fact remains that performance measurement on those tasks has been widely correlated to job performance, academic performance, and social outcomes. A group’s distributed scores in completing those tasks is widely used as a relatively accurate measurement of their general capability.

    This means that your arguments as to the what is being measured are meaningless, and only semantic in nature. Each group’s Bell Cure is what it is, and it widely correlates to real world performance and outcomes.

  280. Anon[433] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu

    Real, provable and repeatable scientific principles are immune to social or professional opprobrium.

    They absolutely are not. Nor has there ever been a test of research conclusions that holds that in order for them to be true then they can not be successfully suppressed. For certain, that was not taught in graduate school when I obtained my science degree.

    I suggest that you refrain from niggering-up science with low IQ logic. Its bad for your race’s image.

    The fact that people are censured for promulgating racist pseudoscience provides stark evidence of the invalidity of racist pseudoscience.

    That’s not how “evidence” and “validity” works.

    You learned that much when you obtained your science degree, right?

    If the academics were propounding a valid idea they would be untouchable.

    No sane person would attempt to claim, in the public sphere, that all truth has remained unsuppressed.

    Your general position relies on the opposite of what you claim. Your position is that Blacks are the cognitive equals of White people.

    However, for most of human civilization, we have held that you were a breed of ape-people and not quite human. Mostly fit only for slavery and certainly dangerous enough to routinely punish with swift enough justice so as to dissuade you (often unfruitfully) from further savagery. Certainly unfit for integration and race mixing.

    That was the world’s truth for all of written history, and certainly much longer.

    By your logic that holds that things are true because they are acccepted, if your modern view was “propounding a valid idea” then our perspectives on you for thousands of years would have been long ago rendered invalid.

    So, which is it? Are our ideas invalid because they are successfully suppressed now, or are your ideas invalid because they were successfully suppressed for most of human history? You don’t have the IQ for this discussion.

    The truth is that the truth can be suppressed by any manner of mechanism. The truth is that a lack of open forum for research critique, without censure for wrongthink, creates an environment that is openly contradictory to the widely held standards of scientific review. Period. Legitimate science simply does not allow for retribution when challenged. The presence of this type of open censorship, non-scientific dismissal of challenging science, and open retribution is prima facie evidence of a protected lie and a corrupted public knowledge base.

    You learned the basic standards and ethics of research and review in the process of receiving your science degree, right?

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  281. FO337 says:
    @Anon

    Right in the NYT’s back yard, the sort of story they ignore every day of the year.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/441635-pizza-restaurant-racist-attack/

    Naturally, if the races were reversed, it’d be an international scandal.

    We have to read the overseas media to find out what’s going on in our own country.

  282. j2 says:
    @Anon

    Your two first references:
    Earliest hominids date now to 7.2 mybp. They may have developed in Europe, but it has no relevance to the Out of Africa theory.

    Third reference: the reference suggests a diverse time of 1 million between Neanderthals and humans. None of the known 13 species are found to be the common ancestor. This is not in any way in contradiction with the Out of Africa theory.

    Fourth reference: there is an error in this paper. All BT has M91 and all non-Africans are subclasses of BT, BT->CT->further

    Fifth and sixth reference:
    There were hominids in Africa c. 120,000 ybp, like Homo sapiens idaltu, which may have ingressed to Y-DNA A and B, yet be absent in BT. Thus, your argument does not show that non-Africans did not develop from BT and that BT does not have African origin.

    Seventh reference: there is no Neanderthal admixture in mt-DNA, nor in Y-DNA, but there is admixture in autosomal DNA. Probably this is because Neanderthal and Denisov DNA causes much reduced fertility if in Y-DNA and it may be that the mother was always human, causing the lack of admixture in mt-DNA.

    Eight reference: you cannot exclude the possibility that there were Neanderthals in Africa, or some human population migrated earlier to Europe and backmigrated to Africa and died out in Europe. There are many similar possibilities.

    Conclusion, these references do not refute the Out of Africa theory.

  283. @Dave Bowman

    And you think that there is an IQ test which isn”t specialist knowledge test? Arranging abstract shapes in sequence requires specialist knowledge. Not so bad as anon linguistic comparator for sophisticated literate cultures perhaps but useless for non literates although not (strongly) language based (not strongly – you need words even to describe and think about abstract shapes).

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  284. Rod1963 says:
    @Desiderius

    Wow, that’s a intelligent come back.

    There is a limit to arable land. Here in CA where we once had large fruit groves in Orange, Imperial county, San Bernadino are now full of housing tracts.

    A lot of the land is desert and cannot be used as well. This applies to all of the South West as well.

    Worse, go North and land that was just a decade or two ago being farmed is now homes for geeks commuting to Silicon Valley. Again population growth drives out farmers.

    In my area just East of a Los Angeles, lots of fruit groves were cut down in the last years because the city makes it hard to grow fruit, punishing growers for using well water of all things.

    Oh lets not talk about the elephant in the room. The 20 million illegals sucking up land and water in the state.

  285. @Anonymous

    It is my understanding that when traveling one should pay attention to advisories that warn about certain areas. That doesn’t have anything to do with IQ. That’s a question of ethics, which is not definitively connected to IQ as previous referenced — high IQ communities are full of unethical behavior.

    I would note that you identify the correct environments that might be more risky — and that would be the case whether said communities are white, brown, blue or red. Chances are, if i had a daughter, I would find it odd that her camping excursion cross paths with any ghettos of any color. Most importantly, I doubt I would approve of her going camping alone. And despite her age I might very threaten to remove from will should she press the matter.

    Rape and murder are tragic events. That it happens to people randomly is very rare. But they do happen.

    https://www.thelocal.it/20161125/116-women-have-been-murdered-in-italy-this-year-how-can-italy-tackle-gendered-violence

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/society/2017/7/12/Turkeys-deepening-tragedy-of-murdered-women

    Even when traveling in pairs, the issue can be risky. While there’s probably a less than 2% change of running into someone who take another’s life — it happens. It’s connection to IQ is dubious.

    Taking note of the extremes

    https://www.murdermiletours.com/blog/serial-killers-with-an-abnormally-high-iq

    https://www.businessinsider.com/a-surprising-look-at-the-average-serial-killer-2015-5?IR=T

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  286. Anonymous[738] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    Arranging abstract shapes in sequence requires specialist knowledge.

    “Abstract” and “specialist” being exactly the wrong words to describe it. Koko the gorilla did fairly well with progressive matrices.

  287. Anonymous[738] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    It is my understanding that when traveling one should pay attention to advisories that warn about certain areas. That doesn’t have anything to do with IQ. That’s a question of ethics, which is not definitively connected to IQ as previous referenced — high IQ communities are full of unethical behavior.

    But you don’t get any travel advisories in Iceland, Slovakia or Poland – except maybe for gypsy settlements which is only underscoring my point. A poor white neighbourhood in Slovakia is probably safer than any civilian, non-fenced area in the US.

    It’s not about ethics and individuals – it’s about crime and societies. A racially cohesive, high-IQ society (Japan, for instance) will tend to be trust-based and fairly safe. A racially cohesive, low-IQ society (Kenya) will be much worse.

    But the shit really starts hitting the fan when you mix races with significant IQ differences. It creates structural, hereditary inequality and resentment. The link between inequality and crime is well documented so maybe you should check it out. Also we have a century of research proving that IQ is both hereditary and closely linked to “success” (personal and national).

    Or you can unglue yourself from the screen, get a passport, and travel a little. Safe, multicultural paradises like Brazil and South Africa are a plane ticket away.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  288. Olorin says:
    @Wilbur Hassenfus

    Every time I read your name I get the worst hankering for scrapple and horehound drops.

  289. @Anonymous

    Ohh brother . . .

    let’s just end this before you sink deeper into your persistent trench digging.

    “It’s not about ethics and individuals – it’s about crime and societies.”

    That has got to be a classic somewhere. Crime and society — is nothing but ethics. I have been polite enough to indulge your stray from the issue about as much as I care to. Allow me to make it very simple — sure some countries have lower crime rates than others.

    Travel advisories:

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/iceland-travel-advisory.html

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/slovakia-travel-advisory.html

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/slovakia-travel-advisory.html

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/ukraine-travel-advisory.html

    The destabilizing issues that inhabit much of the third world foster environments where criminal activity is more likely to flourish. IQ doesn’t matter a lick. It’s the environment as you yourself note. Skin color doesn’t matter a lick. Though whites have been very busy structuring the world along color lines — destabilizing a myriad of societies. The Ukraine was once a fairly safe place to visit. But the whites upended the place and those whites who so engaged were from the US, and Europe, and the Ukraine. High IQ did not stop them from making a stable region into something more unsavory.

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/lesotho-travel-advisory.html

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/gabon-travel-advisory.html

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/kenya-travel-advisory.html

    I would note other factors: geographic size, level of cohesion or cooperation across differences — that’s not an issue of color but behavior. No continent has been subdivided by manufactured cultural differences to get at is resources than the continent of Africa. I have no idea how long it will take for those differences to be aligned to system more stable at least as stable before the Europeans arrived. But given the level of violence, murder and theft brought to the continent by whites — claimed to have a higher IQ — one can safely say — IQ is no guarantor of safety or a guide to ethical behavior among one’s fellows. To the extent that one makes color about social polity as faux the dynamic is — the more one will tend to structurate it’s societies along said lines and then fill the voids with confirming data and ignore data that contradicts the same. Your gymnastics here indicates that the practice is alive and well.

    Ohh brother, it’s like reading Clarence Darrow. No. IQ mixing does not by definition incite strife to crime or even anything of the kind. Every society has people of varying IQ’s. Whether said IQ’s will make a difference to violence is anyone’s guess dependent on more factors than IQ alone as you have already demonstrated, but your hyper-fixation on IQ to superiority has you trapped. The primary cohesive factor to decreased violence among one’s fellows is practiced and understood rules of conduct regardless of IQ.

    Attend any HS and the divisions are available to study:

    geeks, jocks, theater people and the rest — shared values keeps the peace or at least shared understanding of behavior.
    ______________________________

    I am ever amazed at the number of people on this site — with supposed IQ above the norm — definitely higher than my own — who make assumptions about others life experiences about which they could not possibly know (unless they the person). About my travel experience, let’s just say I know enough that the state department provides information and access to informational resources for nearly every single location on the planet

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/antarctica-travel-advisory.html

    Laugh — I haven’t gotten over your it’s not about ethics – it’s about crime reference.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  290. Okechukwu says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Or are you in fact really telling me that you don’t understand the difference between a generic human IQ test, and a Specialist Knowledge test in any subject ?

    The Kalahari Bushmen will present a generic human IQ test, and you will fail. You do not get to arbitrate what is or isn’t an IQ test. Nor do you get to the judge what is or isn’t culturally neutral. As far as I know, there is no such thing as a culturally neutral IQ test. So tests that are steeped in the Bushmen culture are perfectly valid.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  291. Anonymous[738] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Travel advisories:

    Ohh brother…

    I’ve only visited your first two advisory links – to Iceland and Slovakia – and they’re showing “Level 1 – exercise normal precautions”. There’s obviously no “level ZERO” advisory in the system – as indicated in the right-hand panel.

    Your post is clearly meant to deceive right from the start so you’ll have to forgive me for skipping the rest of your “thoughts” on the subject. Cheers.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @EliteCommInc.
  292. Okechukwu says:
    @Anonymous

    What he’s trying to tell you is that societal dysfunction has nothing to do with race (something a 4 year should know). No continent has seen more murder and mayhem than Europe.

    • Replies: @res
  293. @Anonymous

    oh come now.

    I have addressed your dance head on. There’s nothing deceptive.

    You say they don’t provide travel advisories — well either they do or they do not.

    Turns out they do, even for Poland, Slovakia and Iceland. I then go a step further indicating some white countries in which said advisories are different.

    I then go a step further by including some from the continent of Africa which are the same as those of Iceland, Slovakia and Poland and the Ukraine. Assuming as you have contended that blacks, in this instance, especially African blacks have a lower IQ, it doesn’t seem to have any impact on the conditions warranted by the travel advisories to countries that you most certainly believe are populated with whites — who have a high IQ.

    All of which undermine your premise on the rather peculiar array of IQ to criminal activity and skin color and ethnic cohesion linkages.

    No there is no level zero — why you even mention it makes no sense in light of the conversation we are having regarding travel, safety and IQ.

    I then address your comments on the same.

    It is my habit to tackle these matters head on. You on the other hand have woven such a tabled mess, but reflective and reflexive of the most of the analysis regarding IQ and superior anything. I fully expected the popular — but we make better toilets which lower our crime rate.

    But I suspect the key to your fail lies in the inescapable conundrums previously stated among them, claiming that ethics and crime are unrelated.

    That is precious.

  294. Okechukwu says:
    @Tyrion 2

    If you were to put a probability on whether or not the global white average innate IQ exceeded the black average, what probablity would you put it at?

    I’ll take 50% to mean that you think they are likely the same.

    It’s impossible to ascertain. Black and white populations exhibit within group variation and between group overlap.

    First we’d have to have a mechanism, scientific or otherwise, that captures innate intelligence. IQ tests are deeply flawed and prone to politicization based on ideology. So eliminate IQ from the inquiry. Then we’d have to conduct tests encompassing hundreds of millions of people. Although I suppose adequate representative samples would suffice.

    All of this would be impossible to accomplish, of course, since there isn’t exactly a constituency for this sort of scientific frivolity beyond a tiny fringe of IQists who yearn fervently to promote their bigotry by tying it to “science.” This matter arouses a weird, obsessional dogmatism here but the real world simply isn’t interested. Most people understand that intelligence is unconnected to race or skin color.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  295. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    Those people you accuse of “bigotry” are facing genuine disposession and open celebrated racial discrimination against them, in part because a sort of blood libel is alleged that flourishes in the absence of IQ theories.

    Basically, this stuff stops being important when black people stop blaming everything on whitey.

    • Agree: res
    • LOL: Okechukwu
  296. @Bliss

    But, but the natives of America are more lactose intolerant than african-americans. Where do they go back to?

    Siberia.

  297. Lids says:
    @Colin Wright

    Odds are she might be half white. ;)
    Colin White, why do you believe that the white/black hybrids are still referred to as black. This is a devastating label, which is seemingly blanketed to even those who were raised around the white side of their family, while having been isolated from blacks the majority of their lives.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  298. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/01/27/mapped-corruption-across-the-world-2/

    Now we get to watch Okechukwu move the goalposts away from “societal dysfunction has nothing to do with race.”

  299. Okechukwu says:
    @res

    Now we get to watch Okechukwu move the goalposts away from “societal dysfunction has nothing to do with race.”

    You represent the kind of unnuanced, unsophisticated thinking that is common to your ilk. What you posted is a snapshot in time. Europe had been a dysfunctional cauldron of murder and mayhem for long stretches of history. And they were white back then, weren’t they?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  300. Okechukwu says:
    @Anon

    They absolutely are not. Nor has there ever been a test of research conclusions that holds that in order for them to be true then they can not be successfully suppressed.

    I tell you what, dummy, propose that humans are more intelligent than chimpanzees. And see if there is any way possible to suppress that research conclusion. See if the pro-chimp lobby can successfully excoriate you and bury your findings in the name of political correctness. You see, that particular unfalsifiable scientific fact will always prevail against any and all opposition arrayed against it.

    But with regard to human intelligence, and alleged racial hierarchies in intelligence, that is something you can hope longingly for, but can never prove. Anybody can disprove it. I can introduce a single black person who is smarter than you and everyone you know. So where does that leave your theory? Presumably, if there’s a genetic component at play, that black person should lack those genes. So what you allege to be a far-reaching conspiracy to conceal “the truth” is actually people reacting in good faith to the absurdity of your argument.

    For certain, that was not taught in graduate school when I obtained my science degree.

    Everybody’s a learned scholar on the Internet. Your posts give you away, however. You’re an uneducated imbecile.

    So, which is it? Are our ideas invalid because they are successfully suppressed now, or are your ideas invalid because they were successfully suppressed for most of human history? You don’t have the IQ for this discussion.

    You still don’t get it. We don’t live in inquisition-era Europe with an all-powerful church that burns books and scientists. In our present age, valid, authentic, repeatable and unfalsifiable scientific truths are absolutely impervious to all attempts to discredit them. If an idea can be discredited, mocked, falsified, refuted and debunked, that means that the idea has no discernible scientific merit. Racist pseudoscience falls into that category. Its proponents are the ones engaged in a conspiracy — a conspiracy to lie, deny, obfuscate, cherrypick, present fraudulent data, ignore contradictory data and generally ignore reality.

  301. Anonymous[738] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu

    Here we go again.

    I’ve lost count of the number of times a random, English speaking vibrant (invariably a shitskin in a white country), furiously complains about white people and white countries while being completely oblivious to the fact that:

    - His mom brought him into the white country for a reason.

    - He doesn’t want to leave the white country for a reason.

    - His attitude and – dare I say unnuanced, unsophisticated thinking – only proves that the whites should have never allowed him and his mom invade.

    Sorry, Okechukwu, but you’ll have to go back. Or try Wakanda for a change. I hear it’s lovely this time of year:

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Troll: Okechukwu
  302. @Okechukwu

    You really shouldn’t call other commenters “uneducated imbecile[s]” while blathering about “inquisition-era Europe” and its “all-powerful church that burn[ed] books and scientists.” It rather puts you in the position of the pot calling the kettle black, so to speak. ;)

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  303. @res

    “The watchdog’s findings are based on whether a country has an independent judiciary, a clean and well-functioning public sector, and institutions trustworthy enough to prevent corruption and prosecute corrupt officials.”

    I was curious so I took a look at this article. It pains me to say it —

    but it does not present a case of corruption. It makes a case that what might be considered typical institutions or organizations that exist in the regions in yellow have as a means of dealing with corruption. That is not the same thing as measuring actual levels of corruption.

    “The watchdog’s findings are based on whether a country has an independent judiciary, a clean and well-functioning public sector, and institutions trustworthy enough to prevent corruption and prosecute corrupt officials.” Just because a town doesn’t have cops doesn’t mean a town is corrupt.

    The one example referenced in the article actually indicts a Swedish company that engaged in bribes. Which would reflect some depth about how corruption works — the nations with the companies and the finances head to nations that don’t have the same and engage in bribery and who knows what else. Partially owned by the Swedes — last I understood — they are part of the white high IQ superior ethics arguments constantly made. In this instance, it seems whites head into dark peoples countries to engage in criminal activity — so while corruption may exist in a darker people’s country — whites seem willing participants and initiators.

    I noticed Russia and its neighbors, — considered pure white by the reckoning of many are noted as places lacking in mechanisms to deal with corruption — but by your shortcut — is corrupt.

    Last I understood FIFA was not populated by blacks in their executive tiers of management.

    It might be a good idea to actually read the report before leaning on it’s surface to make a case.

    https://www.transparency.org/cpi2015

    It does not say what you intend it to support.

    • Agree: Okechukwu
    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  304. Okechukwu says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    So your position is that the church didn’t stifle science and progress in Europe? Notice that the triumph of Christianity in Europe heralded the Dark Ages. Civilizations that had come and gone thousands of years before were more advanced.

  305. @Lids

    ‘…Colin White, why do you believe that the white/black hybrids are still referred to as black. This is a devastating label, which is seemingly blanketed to even those who were raised around the white side of their family, while having been isolated from blacks the majority of their lives.’

    Hopefully, you’re being sarcastic. I prefer to think you’re making an allusion to Obama, and his triumphs over adversity.

  306. @res

    ‘…Now we get to watch Okechukwu…’

    I never really thought of that as an opportunity. Isn’t the key to sanity simply to ignore him?

    • Replies: @res
  307. Okechukwu says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I noticed Russia and its neighbors, — considered pure white by the reckoning of many are noted as places lacking in mechanisms to deal with corruption — but by your shortcut — is corrupt.

    Not only that, even the West is intensely corrupt. It’s just a different kind of corruption, but it’s corruption nonetheless. The United States is a cesspool of corruption. The things that go on in our healthcare and defense industries (just two examples) make the stuff happening in red shaded countries seem like child’s play.

    Our politicians are corrupt while in office and mega-corrupt when they leave office. They instantly parlay their insider access into highly lucrative lobbying positions, often promoting policies and programs that are inimical to the interests of the United States.

    In short, res is an idiot. He’s an ideologue, actually. He has no interest in facts or reality. Unfortunately for him, the real world is governed by facts and reality.

  308. Okechukwu says:
    @Colin Wright

    People who are ‘genetically highly black’ don’t wind up being governors and such in the first place.

    As a rule, their brains are just too small. For example, if some ‘black’ winds up commenting on this post, odds are he’ll be at least half white. Very few pure blacks are going to be intelligent enough to comfortably surf the literate parts of the web.

    Hahaha. And you clowns wonder why no one takes you seriously. This kind of tripe you spew makes you responsible for your own ghettoization. White supremacists, in their stupidity, have always been their own worst enemies.

    Btw, I’m not half white. I’m not even one-tenth of one percent white. In fact I have no white in me at all. But I have a massive brain. When I was in a hat shop in an all-white town in North Dakota, they didn’t have a hat that would fit me. The shop wasn’t prepared for someone with such a large brain. I have to special order everything on account of my large brain, from bicycle helmets to sunglasses.

  309. @Okechukwu

    ‘…Btw, I’m not half white. I’m not even one-tenth of one percent white. In fact I have no white in me at all. But I have a massive brain. When I was in a hat shop in an all-white town in North Dakota, they didn’t have a hat that would fit me. The shop wasn’t prepared for someone with such a large brain. I have to special order everything on account of my large brain, from bicycle helmets to sunglasses.’

    How does it feel to be such a freak?

    …or should I have just not said anything?

  310. @Okechukwu

    ‘… As far as I know, there is no such thing as a culturally neutral IQ test…’

    There are lots of culturally neutral IQ tests. It’s just that blacks do even worse on them than they do on the culturally-influenced tests.

  311. @Okechukwu

    Well,

    you and I are not going to agree on the polity here. I fully embrace ,my conservative roots. However, I do think that some sense of integrity and fair play should be in order in these discussions.

    That attitude will always put me in the outs with those with whom I am politically aligned. That’s painful, but integrity matters. So that when I challenge the last executives policies and liberals and democrats, and same sex practitioners, and feminists, they will have to deal with content, not merely my opposition.

    There’s no disputing the data that the country has been overly abusive with blacks in this country. That does not require i agree with them on issues.

    I have no comments on name calling . . .

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  312. Our White/Asian children are chugging milk day and night, literally, and growing wonderfully. I had no idea it might make them realistic about racial differences or proud of their own european genetic and cultural heritage. Running out to buy another couple gallons right now of Extra Pale Milk.

    They can drink it while we are having THE TALK. Since we are in LA, the Talk takes longer and includes warnings and observations from experience with more different groups of people, not just our angry Affican Bruthas.

  313. @Okechukwu

    We are not supremacist in the sense of wanting to rule you or hurt you. I don’t want that, seriously, and would wish you the best —somewhere else.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  314. @Okechukwu

    I have to agree with you, O, that the USA should be classified as much more corrupt than these maps and studies suggest. Fair is fair.

    Your examples of the military and healthcare are right on the money.

    We are being fleeced by hundreds of billions annually in excess military spending that does not improve our safety or freedom or economy on balance, and the people pushing the spending often know that it doesn’t.

    We are also being fleeced by doctors and hospitals and government health programs, to fund healthcare for people who broke our law to get here or stay here (illegal aliens), for people who openly hate and resent us and harm us disproportionately while contributing little financially to the system (your bruthas, above all, now joined by gangbanging Mexican and Latino mestizo morons in serious numbers), for excessive insurance company and government bureaucracy that does not deliver more or better healthcare, and generally for absurd doctor salaries.

    Yeah, the USA isn’t as corrupt as Russia. Right.

  315. @Okechukwu

    Dude, when people say that you have a swelled head, that’s not what they mean.

  316. Factorize says:

    For those not on the leading edge of legislated behavior control, here is the definition of the UK’s anti-social behavior order.

    “An ASBO was issued in response to “conduct which caused or was likely to cause harm, harassment, alarm or distress, to one or more persons not of the same household as him or herself and where an ASBO was seen as necessary to protect relevant persons from further anti-social acts by the defendant” ”

    What is very unclear to me is: Why have not ASBOs been issued for claims that there are differences in intelligence between different groups of people? The definition given above does not indicate whether the conduct which was likely to cause distress needs to be shown to be untrue. Apparently all that is required is that one or more persons felt the conduct to be distressing.

    It is very comforting to know that we are now protected against having to contemplate anything that might be considered by one or more persons as distressing.

  317. Okechukwu says:
    @RadicalCenter

    We are not supremacist in the sense of wanting to rule you or hurt you.

    You might want to speak for yourself. White supremacism isn’t a monolithic bloc with a governing body that directs policy. Some of you even have aspirations to genocide.

    I don’t want that, seriously, and would wish you the best —somewhere else.

    It would make much more sense for you people to remove yourselves from America. Even your fellow whites don’t want you here. I know innumerable whites in America and around the world and not one of them identifies with your ideology. You’re a fringe element that is profoundly embarrassing to normal, rational whites.

    There are a number of uninhabited islands that are for sale. You could easily create your utopian white power state in any one of of them. Good luck.

  318. Okechukwu says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    So that when I challenge the last executives policies and liberals and democrats, and same sex practitioners, and feminists, they will have to deal with content, not merely my opposition.

    I don’t think you can put a political label on those factors. A lot of hardcore conservative Republicans are closet homosexuals. Some are even openly homosexual like the Log Cabin Republicans.

    Log Cabin Republicans is the nation’s largest Republican organization dedicated to representing LGBT conservatives and allies. For more than 30 years, we have promoted the fight for equality through our state and local chapters.

    http://www.logcabin.org/

    And is feminism really a liberal thing? I doubt the plurality of white women who voted for Trump wanted to go back to the kitchen.

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  319. Excuse the delay — missed this comment.

    I am familiar with this nomenclature and group.

    And with each of these I must have issue. Now to sure, I don’t care what people do in the bedroom. I mean that I have no intention of making rules about how two consenting individuals express their feelings. None of my business, until, they start advocating that expression into some manner of policy —

    By doing so you in effect ask for me to comment on the same. And my view will always be, that same sex relational behavior is out of the natural order and no society should be compelled to promote that which is retroactive to its existence. Marriage is a private. But the practice of legal sanction is something else entirely. What support the community provides for its maintenance makes perfect sense because of its vitality in what it provides. Heterosexuals unions and relations not only provide essential new members to community, but those couples invest in preparing those new members to be part of the whole financially and socially. No other arrangement comes close and same sex practitioners are actually engaged in a dynamic that is utterly retro to giving.

    The failure of the the so called “Log Cabin” Republicans is apparent in the name. Pres. Abraham Lincoln would not have endorsed such behavior, much less comprehended a behavior that is by its very expression one used as “humiliating submission”. There is nothing about it that represents any manner of freedom. The only link it has to that nomenclature is one of war. It is rebellion against the the very purpose of male female dynamic. And frankly, I have never understood why anyone would acknowledge it as in any manner respectful. As a conservative, it’s strains credulity that such a group could lay claim to anything “traditionally conservative”.

    Again, in the closet or out — none of my business, until they decide that what they are so engaged requires my assent, and then I must reject it and do so strenuously.

  320. @Okechukwu

    Nothing in my comments makes a case for women existing exclusively in the kitchen. The history on human beings makes it very clear that women have been active participants on the development of human society, ever since there were women. I am going to be careful here, but nothing that I know of Pres. Trump’s policies or advocacy suggests that women be exclusively in the kitchen — or in the kitchen at all, for that matter.

    The current contentions by activist women is comprised of arguments that are devoid of context of that history. The socialization between men and women indicates a record in which women have played no small active role. Current advocacy groups have manipulated truth by leaning on extremes, ignoring data that conflicts with their advocacy, manipulating scenarios, make over generalizations and dismiss the impact that biology has played in role development, much of which actually elevates the status of women to their advantage.

    They seem bankrupt of any of the socialization of role making that covers several million years.

  321. @Okechukwu

    So your position is that the church didn’t stifle science and progress in Europe?

    On the basis of what evidence are you asserting that it did?

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  322. @Okechukwu

    Some of you even have aspirations to genocide.

    So what? If “white supremists” are “just clowns,” then you shouldn’t be in the least bit worried that such a thing would ever come to pass. :P

    It would make much more sense for you people to remove yourselves from America.

    Not really. There’s little cause for so-called “white supremists” to trouble their neighbours as a general rule. As we’re seeing more and more these days, that doesn’t really hold true for other races in America.

    Even your fellow whites don’t want you here. I know innumerable whites in America and around the world and not one of them identifies with your ideology. You’re a fringe element that is profoundly embarrassing to normal, rational whites.

    Well, that’s the problem of the outsider’s perspective, I’m afraid. So many of us whites have this problem were we just avoid telling people (especially strange, foreign people) things that we think might upset them. You might call it “white lies.” ;)

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  323. res says:
    @Colin Wright

    It’s fun to predict his moves in advance. It can also be fun to watch the epic examples of projection he indulges in.

    Though you may be right about ignoring him being better for sanity…

  324. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    In short, res is an idiot. He’s an ideologue, actually. He has no interest in facts or reality. Unfortunately for him, the real world is governed by facts and reality.

    Now that was funny. What an amazing example of projection. You truly do live in Bizarro world.

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  325. Okechukwu says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    On the basis of what evidence are you asserting that it did?

    Open a book.

  326. Okechukwu says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    So what? If “white supremists” are “just clowns,” then you shouldn’t be in the least bit worried that such a thing would ever come to pass.

    It's not my job to worry about white supremacists. The FBI and related agencies are tasked with that. In that vein, I'm sure this site attracts a lot of law enforcement scrutiny, which is why I will probably stop posting here. While I'm certainly not a Nazi or a white supremacist, in fact quite the opposite, and while I'm one of the few rational voices here, I nevertheless don't want to be tainted by association. People online aren't as anonymous as they think they are. All it takes is one of the cellar-dwelling psychopaths here to go on a rampage and that will put this entire place under a microscope. Some of your more unhinged writings will be published in mainstream media. People will be doxxed.

    Not really. There’s little cause for so-called “white supremists” to trouble their neighbours as a general rule. As we’re seeing more and more these days, that doesn’t really hold true for other races in America.

    Well, then stop telling people to leave. White supremacist pinheads aren’t going to make anyone go anywhere.

    Well, that’s the problem of the outsider’s perspective, I’m afraid. So many of us whites have this problem were we just avoid telling people (especially strange, foreign people) things that we think might upset them. You might call it “white lies.”

    Yeah, right. The white people I know are going to join forces with neo-Nazis against me just because. Ever notice that whenever you people hold a rally, less than 10 of you show up, besieged by tens of thousands of whites who would tear you to pieces if police weren’t there to protect you?

  327. Okechukwu says:
    @res

    Now that was funny. What an amazing example of projection. You truly do live in Bizarro world.

    You were proven wrong as always. Go somewhere, lick your wounds and shut-up. By now you should be well accustomed to having your head handed to you whenever you try to debate.

    You provided a graphic that revealed Central and Eastern Europe (the whitest regions on earth) to be more corrupt than the African countries you were trying to vilify. It takes a special brand of stupidity to do something like that. Moreover, you failed to recognize the titanic, trillion dollar corruption happening in your own country. The US banking sector and Wall Street alone steal much more money per annum than all the thieves and kleptocrats in the red-shaded countries combined.

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  328. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    Do you actually believe the things you write? First, as always you impute motives and/or beliefs to me which are not there. Second, your read of the graphic as it relates to your original point is…interesting. Did you fail to notice the lowest corruption countries on it?

    And as I noted in my earlier comment:

    Now we get to watch Okechukwu move the goalposts away from “societal dysfunction has nothing to do with race.”

    You seem to have moved them to “a small number of Eastern European countries are more corrupt than a small number of African countries” while ignoring the overall correlation obviously visible in the graphic. Thanks for being so predictable.

    I invite you to show me some examples of me having my head handed to me in debate. Because if you consider this one you are seriously deluded.

    Agreed there is massive corruption in the US.

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