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From the New York Times, a review of the revival of the 1985 Tony Award-winning musical Big River, which is based on Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn:

Review: A New ‘Big River,’ Endearing but Ill Timed

By LAURA COLLINS-HUGHES FEB. 9, 2017

… But “Big River” feels like an awkward fit for this moment.

… It’s because of the cultural conversation we’ve been having lately about the role of black artists, and women too.

Have you noticed how the once innocent word “conversation” has recently taken on Stalinist connotations of indoctrination and censorship.

Expectations have changed.

It is hard, in a way that it wasn’t in 1985 — or even in 2003, when Deaf West Theater brought its stunning revival to Broadway — to watch a story that’s framed as the tale of Huck and Jim without being bothered by how sidelined Jim is, and how very white and male anyone who has a substantial role is: Huck, the con men, Tom Sawyer (Charlie Franklin).

Not diverse enough! (Only an all-black cast would be diverse enough)

… In this cast of 22, black characters other than Jim are mostly in the background.

Okay, but the musical is based on a novel entitled Huckleberry Finn, which was a sequel to Tom Sawyer, and Jim is the main character not named Huckleberry Finn or Tom Sawyer in the book Huckleberry Finn.

But as the Oscars found, once you go black you can never go back.

Katherine A. Guy, in her professional stage debut, does set off some welcome vocal fireworks in “How Blest We Are,” playing a slave named Alice’s Daughter, but that solo is really all she gets to do.

Even with the warm rapport between Mr. Barasch and Mr. Scatliffe, and the gorgeous blending of their voices in “Muddy Water” and “River in the Rain,” this is ultimately the story of a white boy waking up to injustice, then painting himself as a hero.

White boys … they must be dealt with.

I’m not arguing for rewriting Twain or for consigning “Big River” to the scrap heap.

Oh, really?

But especially right now, with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging, the show doesn’t seem to have a great deal to add.

Who let Mark Twain be part of the National Conversation?

 
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  1. Langley says:

    “Have you noticed how the once innocent word “conversation” has recently taken on Stalinist connotations of indoctrination and censorship.”

    Have you noticed how the once innocent word “pride” has recently taken on Stalinist connotations of indoctrination and censorship?

    Have you noticed how the once innocent word “dissent” has recently taken on Stalinist connotations of indoctrination and censorship?

    Have you noticed how the once innocent word “gender” has recently taken on Stalinist connotations of indoctrination and censorship?

    Have you noticed how the once innocent word…

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  2. You know you are in full SJW libtard territory when the reporterette has a hyphenated last name.

    How are the NYT’s circulation numbers these days?

    Ts:dr

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    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    I think it may be higher than some claim. It's the one non local paper that you will see in circulation around the country. Every Starbucks carries it. Most towns over 100,000 carry it, as probably many large and small town libraries. Never in my life have I seen a west coast or midwestern newspaper have such circulation. Maybe there was one like that several decades ago, but not in my adult life. I also notice how smaller news markets carry a narrower range of syndicated columnists than before, usually just NYT or WaPo writers.

    While it's true that the influence of legacy media is smaller than before, the reduction in competition and the overall cultural shift back eastward in some ways has buffered the NYT.

    , @Yak-15
    It is truly super SJW territory. Why do they even print these things?
    , @oh its just me too
    the global elite are trying to regain control of the narrative initially lost by the internet.

    Remember when Google news was a legitimate non bias aggregate? That lasted about two months... now its funneling MSM and filtering out alternative sources.

    The purpose of MSM is not ratings, circulation - its a giant megaphone.

    You'll have to hear it even if you don't want to. Like CNN playing on nearly all public places there is a screen.

    The NYT's purpose is the official narrative of the elite. It is what you are supposed to believe.
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  3. syonredux says:

    But especially right now, with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging, the show doesn’t seem to have a great deal to add.

    I would say that it has a great deal to add. For example, if, while watching it, notions of “exclusion” and “privilege” pop into your head, you have just established that you are a self-hating White woman…..

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    More likely she has established that she either never read any Twain, or read only a little.

    With the utter inability to comprehend it that would result from having an IQ in the 100-105 range and zero experience of life or history or people outside of textwhoring in her echobubble.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-collins-hughes-1832588

    I seem to recall a theatre review she did of a performance of The Taming of the Shrew that Taki skewered in The Spectator. It and other scribblings seem to suggest she has no personal or family life or marriage. (Maybe that's why she's frontin' and weepin' for all those poor black men being brutally bullwhipped out of their deserved star status. Pyg(fe)malion looking for the right block of granite.)

    Which leads to a broader observation:

    The habit of thought that views the entire world and everything in it as "exclusion" versus "privilege" whiffs of high school girls gossiping about who's running with whom, who isn't allowed in, who the popular kids are, and why they are bad.

    This petty female mentality has been constructed as the state religion. By now it's women without families or children playing matriarch to the entire nation/world, telling everyone what to do, how to think, act, speak, and dress.

    And to think this feminist thing launched with the claim that men were responsible for oppression, repression, depression, and lack of sexual pleasure/fulfillment/lollipops and rainbows.

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  4. Langley says:

    “It is hard, in a way that it wasn’t in 1985 — or even in 2003, when Deaf West Theater brought its stunning revival to Broadway — to watch a story that’s framed as the tale of Huck and Jim without being bothered by how sidelined Jim is,”

    They were tryin to keep it on the down low.

    “Come Back to the Raft Ag’in, Huck Honey!”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Fiedler#.22Come_Back_to_the_Raft_Ag.E2.80.99in.2C_Huck_Honey.21.22

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    “It is hard, in a way that it wasn’t in 1985 — or even in 2003, when Deaf West Theater brought its stunning revival to Broadway — to watch a story that’s framed as the tale of Huck and Jim without being bothered by how sidelined Jim is,”

    They were tryin to keep it on the down low.

    “Come Back to the Raft Ag’in, Huck Honey!”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Fiedler#.22Come_Back_to_the_Raft_Ag.E2.80
     
    Excellent point. Clearly, in order to make Big River palatable to SJW sensibilities, we need to add a Homoerotic aspect.....To be sure, this would require a certain amount of finesse, as pederasty is not yet PC.....The obvious solution: up Huck's age to 18....

    RE: Leslie Fiedler,

    Love and Death in the American Novel is one of the most anti-WASP critical works ever written. The basic theme: WASP males are Gay, and they secretly desire male-on-male love with Blacks and Amerinds. Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure).

    Of course, standards have changed, and Homophilia is now de rigueur.... so his standing has taken quite a hit in recent years.....A Queer Theory specialist of my acquaintance once remarked that the Fiedler's Homophobia has made him something of an un-person, a relic of the '50s, etc.
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  5. Truth be told, there’s no “plumbing of soul over questions of privilege and belonging” going on around me. My dad used to tell me, “A man who hits a woman is not a man, a man who does not provide for his family is not a man, and never apologize for who you are as long as you are being the best you can be.”

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    enemy, I like your dad.
    , @Connecticut Famer
    "Plumbing of soul!" "Privilege and belonging!" What rubbish!

    Smart man, your dad. Old fashioned...but smart. Let's hope that"old fashioned" makes a return some day, though it won't happen in my lifetime.

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  6. Obviously in New York this will tag “Big River” as full-bubonic. Full blooded socially-aware liberal theatergoers would rather drive across Aleppo to an Isis compound for a root canal than box office a Nazi leper. They really missed out on pulling a ‘Hamilton’ here. Just make the damn thing about Jim. And Twain never wrote, in specific text, “Huck is not a trans.” Any future revival must roll in ‘hardened’ with characters reframed as Undoubtables – those social groups whose status as victims cannot be questioned. Yes. Put the runaway downstage, add a song about him inventing a rudimentary jet turbine engine for the raft and a prototype formula for penicillin. God dammit. Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway.

    Look Twain was a flaming liberal. He’d understand. Or, being a man of the nineteenth Century, he might just pull a hog leg blow your jackass head off.

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    • Replies: @Langley
    " Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway."

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

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  7. Apparently we can’t stage Big River until the United States stops plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging.

    Like that’s ever going to happen.

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  8. PSR says:

    Oh, *we’ve* been having a cultural conversation? It has sounded like a monologue to me.

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    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    "Diatribe" would be more like it....
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  9. Reed says:

    Just wait until someone makes a musical about Ernest Hemingway’s work. Feminist literary critics called him ‘public enemy number one’.

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    @Reed,
    Back in Hemmingway's day, the left was very masculine.
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  10. syonredux says:
    @Langley
    "It is hard, in a way that it wasn’t in 1985 — or even in 2003, when Deaf West Theater brought its stunning revival to Broadway — to watch a story that’s framed as the tale of Huck and Jim without being bothered by how sidelined Jim is,"

    They were tryin to keep it on the down low.

    "Come Back to the Raft Ag’in, Huck Honey!"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Fiedler#.22Come_Back_to_the_Raft_Ag.E2.80.99in.2C_Huck_Honey.21.22

    “It is hard, in a way that it wasn’t in 1985 — or even in 2003, when Deaf West Theater brought its stunning revival to Broadway — to watch a story that’s framed as the tale of Huck and Jim without being bothered by how sidelined Jim is,”

    They were tryin to keep it on the down low.

    “Come Back to the Raft Ag’in, Huck Honey!”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Fiedler#.22Come_Back_to_the_Raft_Ag.E2.80

    Excellent point. Clearly, in order to make Big River palatable to SJW sensibilities, we need to add a Homoerotic aspect…..To be sure, this would require a certain amount of finesse, as pederasty is not yet PC…..The obvious solution: up Huck’s age to 18….

    RE: Leslie Fiedler,

    Love and Death in the American Novel is one of the most anti-WASP critical works ever written. The basic theme: WASP males are Gay, and they secretly desire male-on-male love with Blacks and Amerinds. Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure).

    Of course, standards have changed, and Homophilia is now de rigueur…. so his standing has taken quite a hit in recent years…..A Queer Theory specialist of my acquaintance once remarked that the Fiedler’s Homophobia has made him something of an un-person, a relic of the ’50s, etc.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "Love and Death in the American Novel is one of the most anti-WASP critical works ever written."

    I wonder if that John Hurt movie was inspired by that book.

    LOVE AND DEATH IN LONG ISLAND is actually an interesting movie, real food for thought.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJaAMIojNL0

    "Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure)."

    Did he spell them out as 'perversions' or as something 'liberating'?

    Jewish sexual literature was less inhibited, and writers like Philip Roth and Erica Jong let it all hang out. Perhaps, such candor made them 'less perverted' since the obsession were given outlet.

    But where did it lead the Jews? Lena Dunham and Anthony Weiner.

    Sexual Libertarianism turned out to be a dead end. Tommy mother was right. People need to listen to her advice.

    https://youtu.be/3eVqdnDk02Y?t=1m42s
    , @Anonymous
    The irony is that, whether his characters were or not, Twain himself was likely gay:

    " Larry Kramer: 'How could you not realise Mark Twain was gay?' "

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/21/larry-kramer-i-decided-i-was-going-to-write-a-history-of-my-american-people

    “Most histories are written by straight people who wouldn’t know, see the signs that a gay person does when they look at a person’s life,” Kramer said. “I mean, how could you write the life of Mark Twain without realising that he was hugely, hugely gay? The way he lived, who his friends were, and how his relationships began. And what he wrote about! I don’t know how you could avoid the assumption that he’s gay.”
     
    "Twain's outing"

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/twains-outing/100324.article

    A biography of Mark Twain that claims he had several gay encounters has added a new twist to a literary legend. Tim Cornwell reports.

    Andy Hoffman has dropped a bombshell on the world of Mark Twain scholarship with his suggestion that the master of American letters had a series of homosexual encounters.
     
    "Was Twain Gay? A Hypothesis Stirs Controversy
    Scholar's Hypothesis On Homosexuality Stirs Controversy About Twain's
    World"

    While he was roughing it as a young man in the mining camps and newspaper offices of the Wild West, did Mark Twain have homosexual relationships?

    The question, a hypothesis raised warily at a scholarly conference last month by a Providence-based scholar, has the usually sedate world of Twain experts buzzing, with some welcoming the interpretation and others finding the suggestion too thin to support.

    The argument, as restated by telephone Thursday by Andy Hoffman, 37, a visiting scholar at Brown University who is working on a Twain biography, is this: During Twain's Western years -- primarily between 1861 and 1866 -- he developed strong friendships with men such as fellow journalists Dan De Quille and Clement Rice. In both cases, the friendships ended abruptly and acrimoniously -- resembling romances scorned. "It seemed to me they had passionate endings because they were passionate relationships," Hoffman said. (Twain came East permanently in 1868, married Olivia Langdon in 1870 and moved to Hartford in 1871.)

    Western humorist Artemus Ward, who Hoffman says was homosexual, once wrote a letter to Twain that opened, "My dearest love ..."

    "Whether it's simply a joke or whether it is more significant about the nature of the relationship is anyone's guess. My guess is that it's more about the nature of the relationship," Hoffman said.

    In a newspaper squib a few weeks before Twain left Virginia City for San Francisco, he wrote: "Dan De Quille and Mark Twain are to be married shortly. About time." "Which seems kind of blatant, even for frontier humor," Hoffman observed.

    In addition, Twain's San Francisco crowd included a group of writers who called themselves the Bohemians. They were, Hoffman said, quite tolerant of homosexual and bisexual behavior.
     
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  11. Langley says:
    @San Fernando Curt
    Obviously in New York this will tag "Big River" as full-bubonic. Full blooded socially-aware liberal theatergoers would rather drive across Aleppo to an Isis compound for a root canal than box office a Nazi leper. They really missed out on pulling a 'Hamilton' here. Just make the damn thing about Jim. And Twain never wrote, in specific text, "Huck is not a trans." Any future revival must roll in 'hardened' with characters reframed as Undoubtables - those social groups whose status as victims cannot be questioned. Yes. Put the runaway downstage, add a song about him inventing a rudimentary jet turbine engine for the raft and a prototype formula for penicillin. God dammit. Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway.

    Look Twain was a flaming liberal. He'd understand. Or, being a man of the nineteenth Century, he might just pull a hog leg blow your jackass head off.

    ” Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway.”

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

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    Don't forget Kirk and Spock.

    As for plumbing ... the New York papers once made a cause celebre out of a Haitian immigrant named Abner Louima, who claimed to have been plunger-raped by the police.

    Reading the NYT makes me feel as if I've been assaulted myself. It goes beyond fake news to a new psychedelic realm of unreality. If there is a world where the depraved rantings of hyphenated Timesmen/womyn/theyx bear any resemblance to observable, verifiable truth, then it must be one with tangerine trees and marmalade skies.

    , @San Fernando Curt
    And God knows Leslie knows everything. The bathhouse is expanding. Following logically that would mean Roy Rogers and... Trigger.

    Good Lord in heaven.

    , @Anon
    "Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness."

    There might be a bit of truth to this since many key writers were homo or leaning that way.

    But then, it goes to show that homosexuality and imperialism have always gone together.

    And today, homomania is very much a feature of Western Imperialism.

    Homos are more adventurous, especially since they need not worry about pregnancy and could go off on their own and do their own stuff.
    Indeed, in some cases, they had to GO OFF to other lands to indulge in that stuff since they had the power advantage over the less advanced folks.

    Consider Donald Richie's homo affairs in Japan.
    He could get away with this in Japan(that was, in some ways, more tolerant of homo behavior) but not in the States.
    Or consider the fat homo ex-pat in YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUSLY.
    So, it may not always have been a desire for the interracial but the interracial as a relatively safe outlet for what wasn't tolerated in the West. (Likewise, we have Muslim men doing in the West the sort of stuff that would not be tolerated in Muslim world.)

    https://youtu.be/47DSKfUwuWc?t=37s

    Now, we are seeing sex tourism among white women, and they are going for Jungle Junk in Cuba, Africa, and etc. So, I guess the new 'sexual imperialism' will be led by white women(and cucky men). But this is a strange kind of imperialism. On the one hand, rich whites are buying sexual favors from blacks, but blacks are sexually conquering them physically. Whites financially control blacks to conquer whites sexually. A globo form of sado-masochism.

    It is a wacky world we live in.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...

    "Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook"
     
    Those who've read an unabridged edition of "The Last of the Mohicans" should be aware that Alice Munro, the lover of Chingachgook's son, Uncas, was a mulatto. That's multiculturalism on steroids and one reason Cooper made sure he was in England when the novel was published
    , @flyingtiger
    Green hornet and Kato lived in the city. Mind you the Green Hornet is a descendant of the Lone Ranger.
    , @Thomas Fuller
    Can anyone explain why he was called the Lone Ranger, when Tonto was with him all the time?
    , @Pericles
    ... Marx and Engels ...
    , @Anonymous
    Tmmy and Lassie.

    Clarke and Lois. (Tranny issues)
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  12. Hamilton-berry Finn.

    Now it’s OK.

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  13. Amasius says:

    “I felt good and all washed clean of sin for the first time I had ever felt so in my life, and I knowed I could pray now. But I didn’t do it straight off, but laid the paper [the letter giving Jim up] down and set there thinking–thinking how good it was all this happened so, and how near I come to being lost and going to hell. And went on thinking. And got to thinking over our trip down the river; and I see Jim before me all the time: in the day and in the night-time, sometimes moonlight, sometimes storms, and we a-floating along, talking and singing and laughing. But somehow I couldn’t seem to strike no places to harden me against him, but only the other kind. I’d see him standing my watch on top of his’n, ‘stead of calling me, so I could go on sleeping; and see him how glad he was when I come back out of the fog; and when I come to him again in the swamp, up there where the feud was; and such-like times; and would always call me honey, and pet me and do everything he could think of for me, and how good he always was; and at last I struck the time I saved him by telling the men we had small-pox aboard, and he was so grateful, and said I was the best friend old Jim ever had in the world, and the ONLY one he’s got now; and then I happened to look around and see that paper.

    “It was a close place. I took it up, and held it in my hand. I was a-trembling, because I’d got to decide, forever, betwixt two things, and I knowed it. I studied a minute, sort of holding my breath, and then says to myself:
         
    “‘All right, then, I’ll GO to hell’–and tore it up.”

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  14. NOTA says:

    You know, there will come a point when enough people start openly rolling their eyes at this crap that it becomes safe to do so everywhere. And then, like magic, it will evaporate.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    NOTA, We really need a protest march that effectively shuts down the NYT for a couple of days. Imagine looking up at the offices of the Gray Lady and seeing Ms. Collins-Hughes clutching her pearls while tears of fear stream down her cheeks.
    , @Old fogey
    "You know, there will come a point when enough people start openly rolling their eyes at this crap that it becomes safe to do so everywhere. And then, like magic, it will evaporate."

    Lord willing.
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  15. @Jim Don Bob
    You know you are in full SJW libtard territory when the reporterette has a hyphenated last name.

    How are the NYT's circulation numbers these days?

    Ts:dr

    I think it may be higher than some claim. It’s the one non local paper that you will see in circulation around the country. Every Starbucks carries it. Most towns over 100,000 carry it, as probably many large and small town libraries. Never in my life have I seen a west coast or midwestern newspaper have such circulation. Maybe there was one like that several decades ago, but not in my adult life. I also notice how smaller news markets carry a narrower range of syndicated columnists than before, usually just NYT or WaPo writers.

    While it’s true that the influence of legacy media is smaller than before, the reduction in competition and the overall cultural shift back eastward in some ways has buffered the NYT.

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  16. Luke Lea says:

    The NYT comments on this review agree with you, Steve, overwhelmingly, which must tell us something though I’m not sure what. Multi-cultural revisionists coming out of the woodwork? Or out of the closet. The cultural winds continue to shift.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    True, but there's only 14 comments.

    Big stories with an SJW slant get hundreds or thousands.
    , @benjaminl
    Even the liberal Frank Rich is having second thoughts about the PC juggernaut...

    https://twitter.com/frankrichny/status/830616262707286016
    , @Old fogey
    Don't forget that when an organization sure of its own moral superiority as the NYT will just double-down on the "teaching lessons" it offers whenever it sees that some of its readers actually have the temerity to disagree.
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  17. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I’m sure there is a way to repurpose Huck as a DREAMer. Shocking really, if nobody has tried it yet. Aren’t “Citizen Kane” and “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” about the wonder-working power of immigration? We have already established that the Great Religions are all immigrants rights parables at their root

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    I’m sure there is a way to repurpose Huck as a DREAMer. Shocking really, if nobody has tried it yet. Aren’t “Citizen Kane” and “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” about the wonder-working power of immigration? We have already established that the Great Religions are all immigrants rights parables at their root
     
    Well, Finn is an Irish name.......And, as we all know, the Irish didn't become White until Kennedy was inaugurated....
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  18. newrouter says:

    ” It’s because of the cultural conversation we’ve been having lately about the role of black artists, and women too.”

    The New York values someone once remarked upon.

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  19. artichoke says:

    The NYT writer can plumb his or her own soul. Maybe it’s full of sewage and needs plumbing, draining, whatever. My soul is generally OK and not available for plumbing.

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  20. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The great irony.

    Those who champion race-mixing flee from race-mixed nations and head for white nations.

    They say whites have much to gain by race-mixing, but these non-whites, mestizos, and mulattoes of North Africa and Latin America don’t wanna remain in race-mixed nations.

    But if race-mixing is so wonderful, why do race-mixed people in race-mixed nations want to head to white nations?

    Meanwhile… I don’t know what is real or unreal anymore.

    http://thehardtimes.net/hardstyle/how-a-diy-asymmetrical-haircut-eliminate-my-white-privilege/

    The difference between 60s/70s and now is that back then, when people like Mick Jagger and David Bowie did weird-odd stuff, it was just an ‘artistic’ or ‘creative’ or personal expression, though, to be sure, Yoko Ono convinced Lennon that staying in bed with a peace sign was some kind of activism.

    Now, wallowing in self-indulgence carries political significance. So, messing with your hair means you DID something of profound importance.

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    And those who champion race-mixed schools flee race-mixed schools.
    , @Autochthon
    Take a break, friend; head to the firing range or the gym and blow off some stress. This piece seems to be intentionally preposterous, in the vein of The Onion (in the days when that publication was actually funny).
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  21. @Luke Lea
    The NYT comments on this review agree with you, Steve, overwhelmingly, which must tell us something though I'm not sure what. Multi-cultural revisionists coming out of the woodwork? Or out of the closet. The cultural winds continue to shift.

    True, but there’s only 14 comments.

    Big stories with an SJW slant get hundreds or thousands.

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  22. OT: the first Mexicans have strolled into Canada

    ‘We had to run’: Refugees walking across B.C. border in fear of U.S. crackdown

    http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/we-had-to-run-refugees-walking-across-b-c-border-in-fear-of-u-s-crackdown

    This could become a flood given our mentally challenged prime minister.

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    Frau, Well if you fear a flood, then build a dam. See previous Steve article about dams and spillways. But seriously, Canada doesn't have a lot of Mexicans in B.C. does it. I remember lots of Asians.
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  23. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    I'm sure there is a way to repurpose Huck as a DREAMer. Shocking really, if nobody has tried it yet. Aren't "Citizen Kane" and "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" about the wonder-working power of immigration? We have already established that the Great Religions are all immigrants rights parables at their root

    I’m sure there is a way to repurpose Huck as a DREAMer. Shocking really, if nobody has tried it yet. Aren’t “Citizen Kane” and “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” about the wonder-working power of immigration? We have already established that the Great Religions are all immigrants rights parables at their root

    Well, Finn is an Irish name…….And, as we all know, the Irish didn’t become White until Kennedy was inaugurated….

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    And, as we all know, the Irish didn’t become White until Kennedy was inaugurated….

     

    God bless John Fievel Kennedy.
    , @Jefferson
    "Well, Finn is an Irish name…….And, as we all know, the Irish didn’t become White until Kennedy was inaugurated…."

    The Irish didn't become White until Irish Americans like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity came out against open borders and did not say that Mexicans and Central Americans are the new Irish and Italians.
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  24. @Langley
    " Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway."

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

    Don’t forget Kirk and Spock.

    As for plumbing … the New York papers once made a cause celebre out of a Haitian immigrant named Abner Louima, who claimed to have been plunger-raped by the police.

    Reading the NYT makes me feel as if I’ve been assaulted myself. It goes beyond fake news to a new psychedelic realm of unreality. If there is a world where the depraved rantings of hyphenated Timesmen/womyn/theyx bear any resemblance to observable, verifiable truth, then it must be one with tangerine trees and marmalade skies.

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    "Abner Louima, who claimed to have been plunger-raped by the police."

    As I recall , now I maybe wrong . but as I recall the doctors in the hospital where he was treated for a perforated bowel brought that particular incident to the attention of the authorities , but perhaps my memory has failed me in my old age what with all the liquor and drugs . Perhaps my memory has failed me again in the case of case of Amadou Diallo who as I recall was shot 19 times while standing unarmed in front of his building . As I said my memory may be faulty . While I firmly believe that these two among the millions of other brown , tan and yellow immigrants are only doing our country harm I have had my own interactions with the police most of which were benign . But the 6-8 encounters that filled me with dread I remember very well . Being a nice law abiding (for the most part) white man I was cooperative and resisted their efforts to provoke me . But I recognized in all of them the same bullies we all encountered in middle school only in these particular incidents they had the power of the law and the ability to deliver much worse than an ass whipping .
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Reading the NYT makes me feel as if I’ve been assaulted myself. It goes beyond fake news to a new psychedelic realm of unreality.
     
    Total degeneracy from the NYT: “Encounters” profile of a 12 year old kid. Pictorial shows him playing in a Comet Ping Pong type establishment:

    "He’s ‘Little’ in the Film ‘Moonlight,’ but Big on the Dodgeball Court"

    Critics and moviegoers have been taken by Alex’s performance, most of it delivered without any words, in which he communicates the adolescent angst of a young boy growing up in an environment where his sexuality is not understood. “Mahershala taught me a lot of tips about facials,” he said of his co-star Mahershala Ali, whom he calls his second father. “He was all like, ‘Just think about the moment that is going on.’”
     
    Facials? WTF. More freaky “Encounters”:

    "Veronica Webb, Overseer of Pizza Parties"

    The teenagers sprawled on the couch, a tangle of arms and legs, and watched “Thor” while they waited for the pizza to arrive.
     

    Molly, Ms. Webb’s 12-year-old daughter, emerged from her upstairs bedroom, wearing a crimson cape. “Chris, did you blunt my sword yet?” she asked her stepfather. […] “No,” he said. “I’m teaching you patience.”
     
    These people are sick.

    "What Is Paul Rudnick Doing Writing Young Adult Fiction?"

    It didn’t take much to persuade Paul Rudnick to step inside P.S. 3 the other day to watch parents waiting to take their children home.
     

    “Do they release the children all at once and let people pick who they want?” he asked. The children in hats with animal ears made him feel as dizzy as if he were on a carousel, he said.
     
    Q.E.D.
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  25. @Langley
    " Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway."

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

    And God knows Leslie knows everything. The bathhouse is expanding. Following logically that would mean Roy Rogers and… Trigger.

    Good Lord in heaven.

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    And God knows Leslie knows everything. The bathhouse is expanding. Following logically that would mean Roy Rogers and… Trigger.
     
    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London's struggle with "Homoerotic" impulses.....
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  26. syonredux says:
    @San Fernando Curt
    And God knows Leslie knows everything. The bathhouse is expanding. Following logically that would mean Roy Rogers and... Trigger.

    Good Lord in heaven.

    And God knows Leslie knows everything. The bathhouse is expanding. Following logically that would mean Roy Rogers and… Trigger.

    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London’s struggle with “Homoerotic” impulses…..

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    Call of the Walk on the Wild Side.
    , @SPMoore8
    My British cousins couldn't stop laughing when they found out that Roy Rogers stuffed Trigger after his death.
    , @whorefinder

    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London’s struggle with “Homoerotic” impulses…..
     
    One major problem with both gays and females is that they literally understand nothing about straight male friendships. Since both groups' interactions with straight males is strictly based on sexual desire, they assume that that is all straight men are about, all the time. This is why gays/females are obsessed with "deconstructing" all male friendships in fiction as sexual in nature, e.g. The Kirk/Spock "slash" fic is almost always written by females/gays.

    Their stunning ignorance and refusal to admit the reality of straight male bonding, and their hostility towards straight male bonding (as they perceive it as a sexual threat to themselves), is a dangerous intellectual development.

    P.S. some straight male lefties have half-heartedly jumped on this train, too, but they are always denoted by a lack of fathers in their lives and being pretty lonely dudes with few male friends of their own.
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  27. God I hope it isn’t a hit. I don’t know if the Cathedral could stand another blow this close off the election. If you remember they went bug-fuck crazy. Then hit another padded ceiling when the inauguration rolled around. They’re on shaky ground right now. Tell you what: Google ‘psychotic episode’ and try to sleep tonight.

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  28. Arclight says:

    The problem is that the cultural achievements of Western civilization are overwhelmingly the work of stale pale males and no amount of whistling past the graveyard can totally cover that up. There wouldn’t be a ton of art of literature to enjoy or discuss otherwise.

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  29. @syonredux

    And God knows Leslie knows everything. The bathhouse is expanding. Following logically that would mean Roy Rogers and… Trigger.
     
    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London's struggle with "Homoerotic" impulses.....

    Call of the Walk on the Wild Side.

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    It doesn't get more 19th century western homo-erotic than the snuff scene from:

    I'm Your Huckleberry


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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  30. The thing is, Huck Finn isn’t just any work by a stale pale male, and it’s not even just any great American work. It’s the central articulation of the post-Civil War, liberal racial creed, that the freedman and the white man will bury the lash and join in friendship, as is permitted by the bounty of the American continent:

    Sometimes we’d have that whole river all to ourselves for the longest time. Yonder was the banks and the islands, across the water; and maybe a spark- which was a candle in a cabin window- and sometimes on the water you could see a spark or two- on a raft or a scow, you know; and maybe you could hear a fiddle or a song coming over from one of them crafts. It’s lovely to live on a raft. We had the sky, up there, all speckled with stars, and we used to lay on our backs and look up at them, and discuss about whether they was made, or only just happened- Jim he allowed they was made, but I allowed they happened; I judged it would have took too long to make so many. Jim said the moon could a laid them; well, that looked kind of reasonable, so I didn’t say nothing against it, because I’ve seen a frog lay most as many, so of course it could be done. We used to watch the stars that fell, too, and see them streak down. Jim allowed they’d got spoiled and was hove out of the nest.

    If you decide that the story of Huck Finn is *too racist* to any longer be performed, we’re all really done for.

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    The thing is, Huck Finn isn’t just any work by a stale pale male, and it’s not even just any great American work. It’s the central articulation of the post-Civil War, liberal racial creed, that the freedman and the white man will bury the lash and join in friendship, as is permitted by the bounty of the American continent:

    It has been that long since I read either that or Tom Sawyer, and I forgot which I liked better. But if that book has in part brought us liberal racial screed, that does little to recommend it to me. Along with TKAM and 12 Angry Men, forget them, I'll stick with The Color of Crime as one of the great American cultural truths to show the next generation.

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    We really don't know how to handle history, or art. Our democracy is relentless in denying its ancestors. The present sneers at the past with a sense of superiority that comes merely from being the present. No other kind of ignorance indulges in such self flattery.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    On our American raft, there's only room for two is how I see it. We need someone to explicate "raft ethics".
    , @Jack D

    'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
    'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
    'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'
     
    (This BTW explains why for example "colored people" is bad but "people of color" is good - because the Left says so and they are master, but I digress).

    Collins-Hughes has no problem with the idea of Huck and Jim on a raft, but she would like Jim to be the captain.
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  31. @Anon
    The great irony.

    Those who champion race-mixing flee from race-mixed nations and head for white nations.

    They say whites have much to gain by race-mixing, but these non-whites, mestizos, and mulattoes of North Africa and Latin America don't wanna remain in race-mixed nations.

    But if race-mixing is so wonderful, why do race-mixed people in race-mixed nations want to head to white nations?

    Meanwhile... I don't know what is real or unreal anymore.

    http://thehardtimes.net/hardstyle/how-a-diy-asymmetrical-haircut-eliminate-my-white-privilege/

    The difference between 60s/70s and now is that back then, when people like Mick Jagger and David Bowie did weird-odd stuff, it was just an 'artistic' or 'creative' or personal expression, though, to be sure, Yoko Ono convinced Lennon that staying in bed with a peace sign was some kind of activism.

    Now, wallowing in self-indulgence carries political significance. So, messing with your hair means you DID something of profound importance.

    And those who champion race-mixed schools flee race-mixed schools.

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  32. Anonym says:
    @Spotted Toad
    The thing is, Huck Finn isn't just any work by a stale pale male, and it's not even just any great American work. It's the central articulation of the post-Civil War, liberal racial creed, that the freedman and the white man will bury the lash and join in friendship, as is permitted by the bounty of the American continent:

    Sometimes we'd have that whole river all to ourselves for the longest time. Yonder was the banks and the islands, across the water; and maybe a spark- which was a candle in a cabin window- and sometimes on the water you could see a spark or two- on a raft or a scow, you know; and maybe you could hear a fiddle or a song coming over from one of them crafts. It's lovely to live on a raft. We had the sky, up there, all speckled with stars, and we used to lay on our backs and look up at them, and discuss about whether they was made, or only just happened- Jim he allowed they was made, but I allowed they happened; I judged it would have took too long to make so many. Jim said the moon could a laid them; well, that looked kind of reasonable, so I didn't say nothing against it, because I've seen a frog lay most as many, so of course it could be done. We used to watch the stars that fell, too, and see them streak down. Jim allowed they'd got spoiled and was hove out of the nest.
     
    If you decide that the story of Huck Finn is *too racist* to any longer be performed, we're all really done for.

    The thing is, Huck Finn isn’t just any work by a stale pale male, and it’s not even just any great American work. It’s the central articulation of the post-Civil War, liberal racial creed, that the freedman and the white man will bury the lash and join in friendship, as is permitted by the bounty of the American continent:

    It has been that long since I read either that or Tom Sawyer, and I forgot which I liked better. But if that book has in part brought us liberal racial screed, that does little to recommend it to me. Along with TKAM and 12 Angry Men, forget them, I’ll stick with The Color of Crime as one of the great American cultural truths to show the next generation.

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    But if that book has in part brought us liberal racial screed, that does little to recommend it to me. Along with TKAM and 12 Angry Men, forget them,
     
    Huckleberry Finn is a hell of a lot better than either To Kill a Mockingbird or Twelve Angry Men.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anonym, Our HS staged "12 Angry Men" as "12 Angry Jurors" to be more inclusive. Sigh.
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  33. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Langley
    " Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway."

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

    “Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.”

    There might be a bit of truth to this since many key writers were homo or leaning that way.

    But then, it goes to show that homosexuality and imperialism have always gone together.

    And today, homomania is very much a feature of Western Imperialism.

    Homos are more adventurous, especially since they need not worry about pregnancy and could go off on their own and do their own stuff.
    Indeed, in some cases, they had to GO OFF to other lands to indulge in that stuff since they had the power advantage over the less advanced folks.

    Consider Donald Richie’s homo affairs in Japan.
    He could get away with this in Japan(that was, in some ways, more tolerant of homo behavior) but not in the States.
    Or consider the fat homo ex-pat in YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUSLY.
    So, it may not always have been a desire for the interracial but the interracial as a relatively safe outlet for what wasn’t tolerated in the West. (Likewise, we have Muslim men doing in the West the sort of stuff that would not be tolerated in Muslim world.)

    Now, we are seeing sex tourism among white women, and they are going for Jungle Junk in Cuba, Africa, and etc. So, I guess the new ‘sexual imperialism’ will be led by white women(and cucky men). But this is a strange kind of imperialism. On the one hand, rich whites are buying sexual favors from blacks, but blacks are sexually conquering them physically. Whites financially control blacks to conquer whites sexually. A globo form of sado-masochism.

    It is a wacky world we live in.

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    Nonsense .
    , @inselaffen
    I doubt 'sexual imperialism' is lead by white women holidaying in black countries, compared to numbers of white male sex tourism (and mail order bride importing) from southeast asia.
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  34. kek says:

    To all running their mouth with the anti white nonsense we are done with you, a country built by the genius of my gifted white race that provided you the venue to voice your nonsense. There is no argument for the glory of the west, the white race has accomplished astounding and unequal achievements in documented history. Black lives matter? No idiots all lives matter and Blacks contribute what? White lives are a necessity for the human existence. This isn’t a difficult choice on the college campus.

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  35. Cagey Beast says: • Website

    Probably the only way to make “nice White ladies” stop these conversations on problematic White maleness is to turn the tables on them. We need to start ruining their favourite works of fiction, institutions and traditions. Someone needs to do yet another film adaptation of Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid’s Tale but make it with an all Black, all male, all gay cast. Same thing with the Girl With A Dragon Tattoo franchise, etc, etc.

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    All muslum. The book is based on Moslem culture. I was not sure if the author supported or was protesting against Islam.
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  36. Langley says:
    @San Fernando Curt
    Call of the Walk on the Wild Side.

    It doesn’t get more 19th century western homo-erotic than the snuff scene from:

    I’m Your Huckleberry

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    Get a grip for Christ sake , it's a Hollywood movie . As divorced from reality as CNN . "Hero" or "villain" everyone would prefer to shoot from cover , ambush your enemy , take him unawares , preferably from behind . No idiot High Noon heroics . All the sweeter in the telling .
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  37. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    “It is hard, in a way that it wasn’t in 1985 — or even in 2003, when Deaf West Theater brought its stunning revival to Broadway — to watch a story that’s framed as the tale of Huck and Jim without being bothered by how sidelined Jim is,”

    They were tryin to keep it on the down low.

    “Come Back to the Raft Ag’in, Huck Honey!”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Fiedler#.22Come_Back_to_the_Raft_Ag.E2.80
     
    Excellent point. Clearly, in order to make Big River palatable to SJW sensibilities, we need to add a Homoerotic aspect.....To be sure, this would require a certain amount of finesse, as pederasty is not yet PC.....The obvious solution: up Huck's age to 18....

    RE: Leslie Fiedler,

    Love and Death in the American Novel is one of the most anti-WASP critical works ever written. The basic theme: WASP males are Gay, and they secretly desire male-on-male love with Blacks and Amerinds. Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure).

    Of course, standards have changed, and Homophilia is now de rigueur.... so his standing has taken quite a hit in recent years.....A Queer Theory specialist of my acquaintance once remarked that the Fiedler's Homophobia has made him something of an un-person, a relic of the '50s, etc.

    “Love and Death in the American Novel is one of the most anti-WASP critical works ever written.”

    I wonder if that John Hurt movie was inspired by that book.

    LOVE AND DEATH IN LONG ISLAND is actually an interesting movie, real food for thought.

    “Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure).”

    Did he spell them out as ‘perversions’ or as something ‘liberating’?

    Jewish sexual literature was less inhibited, and writers like Philip Roth and Erica Jong let it all hang out. Perhaps, such candor made them ‘less perverted’ since the obsession were given outlet.

    But where did it lead the Jews? Lena Dunham and Anthony Weiner.

    Sexual Libertarianism turned out to be a dead end. Tommy mother was right. People need to listen to her advice.

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    " Anglo-Saxon perversions " . What good is a perversion if it's not secret ? The Jew is a "free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions" because it's very existence is a perversion . And it embraces that .
    , @syonredux

    “Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure).”

    Did he spell them out as ‘perversions’ or as something ‘liberating’?
     
    He pretty much spells it out.
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  39. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Actually, ANY EXCUSE to get rid of these musicals would be okay with me.

    Does the world need broadway musical garbage like LES MISERABLES, PHANTOM OF OPERA, HAMILTON, RAGTIME, MS SAIGON, WICKED, etc, etc.

    Shut them all down. Use any excuse. Kitsch must die.

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    Actually, ANY EXCUSE to get rid of these musicals would be okay with me.

    Does the world need broadway musical garbage like LES MISERABLES, PHANTOM OF OPERA, HAMILTON, RAGTIME, MS SAIGON, WICKED, etc, etc.

    Shut them all down. Use any excuse. Kitsch must die.
     

    I'm sure most of the writers and playwrights in 18th and 19th century would be perplexed that people would still go to plays and musicals after the advent of movie and television technology.

    Jane Austen would probably say, why read three pages of book to describe a scene which a movie director could do visually in seconds? And the best writers can never convey the subtlety of expression which a good actor can add.

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  40. @Spotted Toad
    The thing is, Huck Finn isn't just any work by a stale pale male, and it's not even just any great American work. It's the central articulation of the post-Civil War, liberal racial creed, that the freedman and the white man will bury the lash and join in friendship, as is permitted by the bounty of the American continent:

    Sometimes we'd have that whole river all to ourselves for the longest time. Yonder was the banks and the islands, across the water; and maybe a spark- which was a candle in a cabin window- and sometimes on the water you could see a spark or two- on a raft or a scow, you know; and maybe you could hear a fiddle or a song coming over from one of them crafts. It's lovely to live on a raft. We had the sky, up there, all speckled with stars, and we used to lay on our backs and look up at them, and discuss about whether they was made, or only just happened- Jim he allowed they was made, but I allowed they happened; I judged it would have took too long to make so many. Jim said the moon could a laid them; well, that looked kind of reasonable, so I didn't say nothing against it, because I've seen a frog lay most as many, so of course it could be done. We used to watch the stars that fell, too, and see them streak down. Jim allowed they'd got spoiled and was hove out of the nest.
     
    If you decide that the story of Huck Finn is *too racist* to any longer be performed, we're all really done for.

    We really don’t know how to handle history, or art. Our democracy is relentless in denying its ancestors. The present sneers at the past with a sense of superiority that comes merely from being the present. No other kind of ignorance indulges in such self flattery.

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    Well said.
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  41. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I know what musical would be relevant to our time.

    Ones about..

    1. Globalist looting of Russia in the 90s.

    2. Bush’s War on Iraq with full blessing of the NYT.

    3. Obama’s War on Libya and Syria and the current disaster over there.

    4. Decent bakers being forced to bake homo wedding cakes and participate in sin and filth.

    5. Massive illegal immigration and all the problems they have caused.

    6. BLM and Ferguson effect.

    7. ‘Punch a Nazi because free speech is hate speech’.

    But the best idea by far…

    HAVEN MONAHAN AND HIS KKK RAPE CREW.

    Julie Taymore can do the art direction with a giant glass table that shatters.

    What’s Pete Townshend doing lately? Maybe he can do a Tommy-like score.

    Coakley song can go something like:

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  42. e says:

    But especially right now, with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging, the show doesn’t seem to have a great deal to add.

    I can assure you, Ms. C-H, neither most Americans , myself included, are not “plumbing” [our] souls[s] over questions of privilege and belonging.”

    Perhaps you need to get out more or widen your circle of acquaintances. It might help you cope.

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  43. SPMoore8 says:
    @syonredux

    And God knows Leslie knows everything. The bathhouse is expanding. Following logically that would mean Roy Rogers and… Trigger.
     
    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London's struggle with "Homoerotic" impulses.....

    My British cousins couldn’t stop laughing when they found out that Roy Rogers stuffed Trigger after his death.

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    I visited Roy Rogers' Ranch on a field trip when I was about 8.
    , @Langley
    When Dale Evans heard about trigger she told Roy he better not get any ideas about her!
    , @Pericles
    Meanwhile, their Australian relatives were rooted to the ground in horror.
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  44. Speaking of cultural, I just have to write about the four 70-ish women at the table next to me in a SF bison burger joint. First they all agree what a fabulous film Hidden Figures is. Then they get separate checks, and question the Filipino waitress about who had what, addressing her as “dear.” They also have something in common with younger women these days: they simply ignore the one man with the group. Wait, now discussing the Super Bowl. “Once it went into overtime you just knew it was going to end like that.”

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  45. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    “It is hard, in a way that it wasn’t in 1985 — or even in 2003, when Deaf West Theater brought its stunning revival to Broadway — to watch a story that’s framed as the tale of Huck and Jim without being bothered by how sidelined Jim is,”

    They were tryin to keep it on the down low.

    “Come Back to the Raft Ag’in, Huck Honey!”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Fiedler#.22Come_Back_to_the_Raft_Ag.E2.80
     
    Excellent point. Clearly, in order to make Big River palatable to SJW sensibilities, we need to add a Homoerotic aspect.....To be sure, this would require a certain amount of finesse, as pederasty is not yet PC.....The obvious solution: up Huck's age to 18....

    RE: Leslie Fiedler,

    Love and Death in the American Novel is one of the most anti-WASP critical works ever written. The basic theme: WASP males are Gay, and they secretly desire male-on-male love with Blacks and Amerinds. Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure).

    Of course, standards have changed, and Homophilia is now de rigueur.... so his standing has taken quite a hit in recent years.....A Queer Theory specialist of my acquaintance once remarked that the Fiedler's Homophobia has made him something of an un-person, a relic of the '50s, etc.

    The irony is that, whether his characters were or not, Twain himself was likely gay:

    ” Larry Kramer: ‘How could you not realise Mark Twain was gay?’ ”

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/21/larry-kramer-i-decided-i-was-going-to-write-a-history-of-my-american-people

    “Most histories are written by straight people who wouldn’t know, see the signs that a gay person does when they look at a person’s life,” Kramer said. “I mean, how could you write the life of Mark Twain without realising that he was hugely, hugely gay? The way he lived, who his friends were, and how his relationships began. And what he wrote about! I don’t know how you could avoid the assumption that he’s gay.”

    “Twain’s outing”

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/twains-outing/100324.article

    A biography of Mark Twain that claims he had several gay encounters has added a new twist to a literary legend. Tim Cornwell reports.

    Andy Hoffman has dropped a bombshell on the world of Mark Twain scholarship with his suggestion that the master of American letters had a series of homosexual encounters.

    “Was Twain Gay? A Hypothesis Stirs Controversy
    Scholar’s Hypothesis On Homosexuality Stirs Controversy About Twain’s
    World”

    While he was roughing it as a young man in the mining camps and newspaper offices of the Wild West, did Mark Twain have homosexual relationships?

    The question, a hypothesis raised warily at a scholarly conference last month by a Providence-based scholar, has the usually sedate world of Twain experts buzzing, with some welcoming the interpretation and others finding the suggestion too thin to support.

    The argument, as restated by telephone Thursday by Andy Hoffman, 37, a visiting scholar at Brown University who is working on a Twain biography, is this: During Twain’s Western years — primarily between 1861 and 1866 — he developed strong friendships with men such as fellow journalists Dan De Quille and Clement Rice. In both cases, the friendships ended abruptly and acrimoniously — resembling romances scorned. “It seemed to me they had passionate endings because they were passionate relationships,” Hoffman said. (Twain came East permanently in 1868, married Olivia Langdon in 1870 and moved to Hartford in 1871.)

    Western humorist Artemus Ward, who Hoffman says was homosexual, once wrote a letter to Twain that opened, “My dearest love …”

    “Whether it’s simply a joke or whether it is more significant about the nature of the relationship is anyone’s guess. My guess is that it’s more about the nature of the relationship,” Hoffman said.

    In a newspaper squib a few weeks before Twain left Virginia City for San Francisco, he wrote: “Dan De Quille and Mark Twain are to be married shortly. About time.” “Which seems kind of blatant, even for frontier humor,” Hoffman observed.

    In addition, Twain’s San Francisco crowd included a group of writers who called themselves the Bohemians. They were, Hoffman said, quite tolerant of homosexual and bisexual behavior.

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    Has a homosexual writer ever not claimed that some famous person of yore was homosexual?

    The number of people whom gays have retroactively inducted into their ranks must by now be second only to those claimed by the Mormons.
    , @syonredux

    with some welcoming the interpretation and others finding the suggestion too thin to support.
     
    Calling the evidence "thin" is an understatement.
    , @Langley
    When Twain was here in Hawaii back at the end of the 19th-century he would roam the beaches of Waikiki strip down to appear of bronze colored Speedo's. Everyone called him the industrial age pervert.

    What this thread really needs is a image of the bronze age pervert and big Jim fighting it out over a prone Huck on a raft in the Mississippi.
    , @Moshe
    In addition, his book about his time in the west is called Roughing It (ahem) and he notes there that as a young man he had opposed to Brigham Young's multiple marriages to women (something he never would have said if Young had married a bunch of men), he also "humourously" extolled the advantages of lying, and spoke of sitting on the clothes of Hawain nude bathing females (something that would have been considered sexually aggressive if he were straight, his main books relate to BOYS ('nuff said), he once briefly owned a dirty mine...

    The evidence is Blatant and Obvious.

    If you claim not to see it we all know what you're tring to hide.

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  46. @Langley
    " Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway."

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

    “Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook”

    Those who’ve read an unabridged edition of “The Last of the Mohicans” should be aware that Alice Munro, the lover of Chingachgook’s son, Uncas, was a mulatto. That’s multiculturalism on steroids and one reason Cooper made sure he was in England when the novel was published

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  47. Ivy says:

    The NYT seems presumptuous in asserting that the United States is plumbing yada yada. Their prior role of leading newspaper has been diminished, although they may not be ready to accept what has become evident to the rest of the world.

    That pretense may be maintained for a while longer, however each new revelation and outbreak of truth must feel like water torture in the editorial meetings. One can only hope that similar events are influencing other publications and networks accordingly. The endgame of old media seems underway, so what will the next phase bring?

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    Newspapers, today, carry no news. It's all feature articles and opinion pieces. They've become daily opinion journals or magazines. If newspapers want to stay in business, they'll recognize the news is reported on-line, and their print publishing schedule and content will be severely curtailed. Local papers have a monopoly on local, community content. National newspapers have the challenge of no monopoly content--well, except for pitiful pieces from contributors such as Collins-Hughes.
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  48. J1234 says:

    Wow, has it really been 30+ years since Big River? As I recall, the big scandal back then (among the Newsweek entertainment reviewers and theater police) was that country singer Roger Miller was actually going to get a Tony. Apparently, that was something akin to the Beverly Hillbillys truck winning the concours d’elegance at Pebble Beach.

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  49. @Anon
    The great irony.

    Those who champion race-mixing flee from race-mixed nations and head for white nations.

    They say whites have much to gain by race-mixing, but these non-whites, mestizos, and mulattoes of North Africa and Latin America don't wanna remain in race-mixed nations.

    But if race-mixing is so wonderful, why do race-mixed people in race-mixed nations want to head to white nations?

    Meanwhile... I don't know what is real or unreal anymore.

    http://thehardtimes.net/hardstyle/how-a-diy-asymmetrical-haircut-eliminate-my-white-privilege/

    The difference between 60s/70s and now is that back then, when people like Mick Jagger and David Bowie did weird-odd stuff, it was just an 'artistic' or 'creative' or personal expression, though, to be sure, Yoko Ono convinced Lennon that staying in bed with a peace sign was some kind of activism.

    Now, wallowing in self-indulgence carries political significance. So, messing with your hair means you DID something of profound importance.

    Take a break, friend; head to the firing range or the gym and blow off some stress. This piece seems to be intentionally preposterous, in the vein of The Onion (in the days when that publication was actually funny).

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  50. Hyphenated names used to be for fancy English people. Now they just make me think they’re black. (She isn’t, unless in a Katherine Johnson sort of way)

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    What happens when one hyphenate marries another one? Do they flip a coin to determine the order of which name is the top?
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  51. whorefinder says: • Website
    @syonredux

    And God knows Leslie knows everything. The bathhouse is expanding. Following logically that would mean Roy Rogers and… Trigger.
     
    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London's struggle with "Homoerotic" impulses.....

    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London’s struggle with “Homoerotic” impulses…..

    One major problem with both gays and females is that they literally understand nothing about straight male friendships. Since both groups’ interactions with straight males is strictly based on sexual desire, they assume that that is all straight men are about, all the time. This is why gays/females are obsessed with “deconstructing” all male friendships in fiction as sexual in nature, e.g. The Kirk/Spock “slash” fic is almost always written by females/gays.

    Their stunning ignorance and refusal to admit the reality of straight male bonding, and their hostility towards straight male bonding (as they perceive it as a sexual threat to themselves), is a dangerous intellectual development.

    P.S. some straight male lefties have half-heartedly jumped on this train, too, but they are always denoted by a lack of fathers in their lives and being pretty lonely dudes with few male friends of their own.

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    I'm a woman who's always been puzzled by other women's insistence that straight male friendships are secretly or even subconsciously gay. It can only be due to female vanity.

    Frankly as one who finds the company of most other women torturously boring and irritating, I can well understand straight guys wanting to hang out together with no women around. I love being the only woman in an otherwise all-male environment. Not because I'm the center of attention; in such groups, I sit on the sidelines unnoticed. But it's so relaxing! The conversation is invariably better, too. I envy men having this outlet.
    , @biz
    Completely agree with your comment. Very perceptive.
    , @Anotheranon
    Also, "romantic friendship" between members of the same sex (passionate but not necessarily sexual) was a completely normal thing until quite recently.
    , @Forbes

    Their stunning ignorance and refusal to admit the reality of straight male bonding, and their hostility towards straight male bonding (as they perceive it as a sexual threat to themselves), is a dangerous intellectual development.
     
    The nature of straight male bonding is outside their experience and instincts, and in my experience, women make (almost) no effort to understand men--so their hostility results (in part) from their perception of being excluded. Any all-male activity, once intruded upon by a woman, changes the entire character and experience of the activity.
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  52. donut says:
    @Stan Adams
    Don't forget Kirk and Spock.

    As for plumbing ... the New York papers once made a cause celebre out of a Haitian immigrant named Abner Louima, who claimed to have been plunger-raped by the police.

    Reading the NYT makes me feel as if I've been assaulted myself. It goes beyond fake news to a new psychedelic realm of unreality. If there is a world where the depraved rantings of hyphenated Timesmen/womyn/theyx bear any resemblance to observable, verifiable truth, then it must be one with tangerine trees and marmalade skies.

    “Abner Louima, who claimed to have been plunger-raped by the police.”

    As I recall , now I maybe wrong . but as I recall the doctors in the hospital where he was treated for a perforated bowel brought that particular incident to the attention of the authorities , but perhaps my memory has failed me in my old age what with all the liquor and drugs . Perhaps my memory has failed me again in the case of case of Amadou Diallo who as I recall was shot 19 times while standing unarmed in front of his building . As I said my memory may be faulty . While I firmly believe that these two among the millions of other brown , tan and yellow immigrants are only doing our country harm I have had my own interactions with the police most of which were benign . But the 6-8 encounters that filled me with dread I remember very well . Being a nice law abiding (for the most part) white man I was cooperative and resisted their efforts to provoke me . But I recognized in all of them the same bullies we all encountered in middle school only in these particular incidents they had the power of the law and the ability to deliver much worse than an ass whipping .

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  53. qwerty says:

    Here’s the underlying, truthful reason black people aren’t the main characters in Huck Finn: it’s a story FOR white people, written by a white guy. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

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  54. donut says:
    @Anon
    "Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness."

    There might be a bit of truth to this since many key writers were homo or leaning that way.

    But then, it goes to show that homosexuality and imperialism have always gone together.

    And today, homomania is very much a feature of Western Imperialism.

    Homos are more adventurous, especially since they need not worry about pregnancy and could go off on their own and do their own stuff.
    Indeed, in some cases, they had to GO OFF to other lands to indulge in that stuff since they had the power advantage over the less advanced folks.

    Consider Donald Richie's homo affairs in Japan.
    He could get away with this in Japan(that was, in some ways, more tolerant of homo behavior) but not in the States.
    Or consider the fat homo ex-pat in YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUSLY.
    So, it may not always have been a desire for the interracial but the interracial as a relatively safe outlet for what wasn't tolerated in the West. (Likewise, we have Muslim men doing in the West the sort of stuff that would not be tolerated in Muslim world.)

    https://youtu.be/47DSKfUwuWc?t=37s

    Now, we are seeing sex tourism among white women, and they are going for Jungle Junk in Cuba, Africa, and etc. So, I guess the new 'sexual imperialism' will be led by white women(and cucky men). But this is a strange kind of imperialism. On the one hand, rich whites are buying sexual favors from blacks, but blacks are sexually conquering them physically. Whites financially control blacks to conquer whites sexually. A globo form of sado-masochism.

    It is a wacky world we live in.

    Nonsense .

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  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The ‘Conversation’ should be about blacks not caring about non-blacks. Blacks don’t care. Never have and never will.

    Blacks don’t give a damn about any outside group. They can’t get along or even coexist peacefully with any non-black group.

    Black people also do not care about the planet. Or any other planets.

    Blacks are the most self-involved humans. They live in a black bubble of make believe. The modern world has sprung up around them and they had nothing to do with it.

    It’s a form of perpetual childhood and non-blacks should not encourage this state of affairs. Non-blacks should everywhere and always call blacks on their bullshit and force them to behave in a civilized manner.

    That should be the conversation.

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    They can’t get along or even coexist peacefully with any non-black group.

    Or apparently, within their own group either.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    A lot of non-white, non-blacks feel that way but are afraid to articulate their position openly, lest they would be mocked by whites and hated by blacks.
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  56. donut says:
    @Langley
    It doesn't get more 19th century western homo-erotic than the snuff scene from:

    I'm Your Huckleberry


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

    Get a grip for Christ sake , it’s a Hollywood movie . As divorced from reality as CNN . “Hero” or “villain” everyone would prefer to shoot from cover , ambush your enemy , take him unawares , preferably from behind . No idiot High Noon heroics . All the sweeter in the telling .

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  57. Mr. Anon says:

    I find it highly problematic that this review was written by a white woman. The Times should fire Ms. Collins Hyphen Hughes and replace her with a woman of color. Or, even better, a trans-woman of color.

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  58. donut says:
    @Anon
    "Love and Death in the American Novel is one of the most anti-WASP critical works ever written."

    I wonder if that John Hurt movie was inspired by that book.

    LOVE AND DEATH IN LONG ISLAND is actually an interesting movie, real food for thought.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJaAMIojNL0

    "Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure)."

    Did he spell them out as 'perversions' or as something 'liberating'?

    Jewish sexual literature was less inhibited, and writers like Philip Roth and Erica Jong let it all hang out. Perhaps, such candor made them 'less perverted' since the obsession were given outlet.

    But where did it lead the Jews? Lena Dunham and Anthony Weiner.

    Sexual Libertarianism turned out to be a dead end. Tommy mother was right. People need to listen to her advice.

    https://youtu.be/3eVqdnDk02Y?t=1m42s

    ” Anglo-Saxon perversions ” . What good is a perversion if it’s not secret ? The Jew is a “free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions” because it’s very existence is a perversion . And it embraces that .

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    Jesus Sailer , not that I am complaining , but how did you let me slip that past ? Mark one up for the Anti-Semites !
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  59. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous
    The irony is that, whether his characters were or not, Twain himself was likely gay:

    " Larry Kramer: 'How could you not realise Mark Twain was gay?' "

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/21/larry-kramer-i-decided-i-was-going-to-write-a-history-of-my-american-people

    “Most histories are written by straight people who wouldn’t know, see the signs that a gay person does when they look at a person’s life,” Kramer said. “I mean, how could you write the life of Mark Twain without realising that he was hugely, hugely gay? The way he lived, who his friends were, and how his relationships began. And what he wrote about! I don’t know how you could avoid the assumption that he’s gay.”
     
    "Twain's outing"

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/twains-outing/100324.article

    A biography of Mark Twain that claims he had several gay encounters has added a new twist to a literary legend. Tim Cornwell reports.

    Andy Hoffman has dropped a bombshell on the world of Mark Twain scholarship with his suggestion that the master of American letters had a series of homosexual encounters.
     
    "Was Twain Gay? A Hypothesis Stirs Controversy
    Scholar's Hypothesis On Homosexuality Stirs Controversy About Twain's
    World"

    While he was roughing it as a young man in the mining camps and newspaper offices of the Wild West, did Mark Twain have homosexual relationships?

    The question, a hypothesis raised warily at a scholarly conference last month by a Providence-based scholar, has the usually sedate world of Twain experts buzzing, with some welcoming the interpretation and others finding the suggestion too thin to support.

    The argument, as restated by telephone Thursday by Andy Hoffman, 37, a visiting scholar at Brown University who is working on a Twain biography, is this: During Twain's Western years -- primarily between 1861 and 1866 -- he developed strong friendships with men such as fellow journalists Dan De Quille and Clement Rice. In both cases, the friendships ended abruptly and acrimoniously -- resembling romances scorned. "It seemed to me they had passionate endings because they were passionate relationships," Hoffman said. (Twain came East permanently in 1868, married Olivia Langdon in 1870 and moved to Hartford in 1871.)

    Western humorist Artemus Ward, who Hoffman says was homosexual, once wrote a letter to Twain that opened, "My dearest love ..."

    "Whether it's simply a joke or whether it is more significant about the nature of the relationship is anyone's guess. My guess is that it's more about the nature of the relationship," Hoffman said.

    In a newspaper squib a few weeks before Twain left Virginia City for San Francisco, he wrote: "Dan De Quille and Mark Twain are to be married shortly. About time." "Which seems kind of blatant, even for frontier humor," Hoffman observed.

    In addition, Twain's San Francisco crowd included a group of writers who called themselves the Bohemians. They were, Hoffman said, quite tolerant of homosexual and bisexual behavior.
     

    Has a homosexual writer ever not claimed that some famous person of yore was homosexual?

    The number of people whom gays have retroactively inducted into their ranks must by now be second only to those claimed by the Mormons.

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    Homophobic nonsense.
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  60. 5371 says:

    [Have you noticed how the once innocent word “conversation” has recently taken on Stalinist connotations of indoctrination and censorship.]

    “Conversation” now means what “struggle session” did in China 50 years ago.

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  61. Jack D says:

    The purpose of art is to serve the Revolution!

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  62. donut says:
    @donut
    " Anglo-Saxon perversions " . What good is a perversion if it's not secret ? The Jew is a "free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions" because it's very existence is a perversion . And it embraces that .

    Jesus Sailer , not that I am complaining , but how did you let me slip that past ? Mark one up for the Anti-Semites !

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  63. syonredux says:
    @Anonym
    The thing is, Huck Finn isn’t just any work by a stale pale male, and it’s not even just any great American work. It’s the central articulation of the post-Civil War, liberal racial creed, that the freedman and the white man will bury the lash and join in friendship, as is permitted by the bounty of the American continent:

    It has been that long since I read either that or Tom Sawyer, and I forgot which I liked better. But if that book has in part brought us liberal racial screed, that does little to recommend it to me. Along with TKAM and 12 Angry Men, forget them, I'll stick with The Color of Crime as one of the great American cultural truths to show the next generation.

    But if that book has in part brought us liberal racial screed, that does little to recommend it to me. Along with TKAM and 12 Angry Men, forget them,

    Huckleberry Finn is a hell of a lot better than either To Kill a Mockingbird or Twelve Angry Men.

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    Huckleberry Finn is a hell of a lot better than either To Kill a Mockingbird or Twelve Angry Men.

    I remember reading both raptly and making it through them, enjoying both Twain books a lot. FYI Goodreads rates Sawyer higher and amazon has them pegged.
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  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon
    Has a homosexual writer ever not claimed that some famous person of yore was homosexual?

    The number of people whom gays have retroactively inducted into their ranks must by now be second only to those claimed by the Mormons.

    Homophobic nonsense.

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    Homophobic nonsense.
     
    Hey, Homos spout a lot of nonsense. Just look at Larry Kramer.....
    , @Mr. Anon
    Nonsense, what you say is clearly wrong. And "homophobic"? That's your word - it's a ridiculous term. Most normal people are repulsed by homosexuality, and for good reason. But then homosexual activists are not merely content to pervert history - they also wish to pervert the language.
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  65. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    "Love and Death in the American Novel is one of the most anti-WASP critical works ever written."

    I wonder if that John Hurt movie was inspired by that book.

    LOVE AND DEATH IN LONG ISLAND is actually an interesting movie, real food for thought.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJaAMIojNL0

    "Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure)."

    Did he spell them out as 'perversions' or as something 'liberating'?

    Jewish sexual literature was less inhibited, and writers like Philip Roth and Erica Jong let it all hang out. Perhaps, such candor made them 'less perverted' since the obsession were given outlet.

    But where did it lead the Jews? Lena Dunham and Anthony Weiner.

    Sexual Libertarianism turned out to be a dead end. Tommy mother was right. People need to listen to her advice.

    https://youtu.be/3eVqdnDk02Y?t=1m42s

    “Jews, though, are free of such Anglo-Saxon perversions (as Gore Vidal noted, presumably the embers of the Burning Bush keep them pure).”

    Did he spell them out as ‘perversions’ or as something ‘liberating’?

    He pretty much spells it out.

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  66. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Homophobic nonsense.

    Homophobic nonsense.

    Hey, Homos spout a lot of nonsense. Just look at Larry Kramer…..

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  67. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    The irony is that, whether his characters were or not, Twain himself was likely gay:

    " Larry Kramer: 'How could you not realise Mark Twain was gay?' "

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/21/larry-kramer-i-decided-i-was-going-to-write-a-history-of-my-american-people

    “Most histories are written by straight people who wouldn’t know, see the signs that a gay person does when they look at a person’s life,” Kramer said. “I mean, how could you write the life of Mark Twain without realising that he was hugely, hugely gay? The way he lived, who his friends were, and how his relationships began. And what he wrote about! I don’t know how you could avoid the assumption that he’s gay.”
     
    "Twain's outing"

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/twains-outing/100324.article

    A biography of Mark Twain that claims he had several gay encounters has added a new twist to a literary legend. Tim Cornwell reports.

    Andy Hoffman has dropped a bombshell on the world of Mark Twain scholarship with his suggestion that the master of American letters had a series of homosexual encounters.
     
    "Was Twain Gay? A Hypothesis Stirs Controversy
    Scholar's Hypothesis On Homosexuality Stirs Controversy About Twain's
    World"

    While he was roughing it as a young man in the mining camps and newspaper offices of the Wild West, did Mark Twain have homosexual relationships?

    The question, a hypothesis raised warily at a scholarly conference last month by a Providence-based scholar, has the usually sedate world of Twain experts buzzing, with some welcoming the interpretation and others finding the suggestion too thin to support.

    The argument, as restated by telephone Thursday by Andy Hoffman, 37, a visiting scholar at Brown University who is working on a Twain biography, is this: During Twain's Western years -- primarily between 1861 and 1866 -- he developed strong friendships with men such as fellow journalists Dan De Quille and Clement Rice. In both cases, the friendships ended abruptly and acrimoniously -- resembling romances scorned. "It seemed to me they had passionate endings because they were passionate relationships," Hoffman said. (Twain came East permanently in 1868, married Olivia Langdon in 1870 and moved to Hartford in 1871.)

    Western humorist Artemus Ward, who Hoffman says was homosexual, once wrote a letter to Twain that opened, "My dearest love ..."

    "Whether it's simply a joke or whether it is more significant about the nature of the relationship is anyone's guess. My guess is that it's more about the nature of the relationship," Hoffman said.

    In a newspaper squib a few weeks before Twain left Virginia City for San Francisco, he wrote: "Dan De Quille and Mark Twain are to be married shortly. About time." "Which seems kind of blatant, even for frontier humor," Hoffman observed.

    In addition, Twain's San Francisco crowd included a group of writers who called themselves the Bohemians. They were, Hoffman said, quite tolerant of homosexual and bisexual behavior.
     

    with some welcoming the interpretation and others finding the suggestion too thin to support.

    Calling the evidence “thin” is an understatement.

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  68. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    —–>Speaking of cultural, I just have to write about the four 70-ish women at the table next to me in a SF bison burger joint…. They also have something in common with younger women these days: they simply ignore the one man with the group.<——

    Sad situation. No man should be out with a large group of ladies unless he is single and trying to get one into bed. No wonder guys like this fall silent. He's not trying to get laid and four hens are going talk hen stuff so what's the point?

    The guy should excuse himself. Women do it all the time ("I don't want to listen to your stupid friends")

    Trump is never in this situation unless the women are his daughters and even then he dominates. If Melania, Ivanka, Tiffany and Kelly Anne Conway start talking girl stuff you know Trump says, "OK, get out of my office."

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  69. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous
    Homophobic nonsense.

    Nonsense, what you say is clearly wrong. And “homophobic”? That’s your word – it’s a ridiculous term. Most normal people are repulsed by homosexuality, and for good reason. But then homosexual activists are not merely content to pervert history – they also wish to pervert the language.

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  70. with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging

    More like we’re being subjected to an involuntary endoscopy.

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    You must be a local notwithstanding the handle... Most of these guys are pointing at your namesake for the unnecessary medical procedure.
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  71. pyrrhus says:
    @PSR
    Oh, *we've* been having a cultural conversation? It has sounded like a monologue to me.

    “Diatribe” would be more like it….

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  72. Ivy says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Hyphenated names used to be for fancy English people. Now they just make me think they're black. (She isn't, unless in a Katherine Johnson sort of way)

    What happens when one hyphenate marries another one? Do they flip a coin to determine the order of which name is the top?

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    Feminists, so determined for the women's cause against the patriarchy, that in marriage, they take the name of their father and their husband's father. The irony runs deep.
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  73. Dr. Doom says:

    Well it just goes to show, there’s what you know and what the media says.

    AND NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET.

    Always preferred Ambrose Bierce Myself. More edge, less sass.

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    From Ambrose Bierce's The Devil's Dictionary:

    Conservative
    (n.) A statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.

    Cynic
    (n.) A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic’s eyes to improve his vision.

    Egotist
    (n.) A person of low taste, more interested in himself than in me.

    Faith
    (n.) Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

    Lawyer
    (n.) One skilled in circumvention of the law.

    Marriage
    (n.) A household consisting of a master, a mistress, and two slaves, making in all, two.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil’s_Dictionary
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  74. @SPMoore8
    My British cousins couldn't stop laughing when they found out that Roy Rogers stuffed Trigger after his death.

    I visited Roy Rogers’ Ranch on a field trip when I was about 8.

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  75. Langley says:
    @SPMoore8
    My British cousins couldn't stop laughing when they found out that Roy Rogers stuffed Trigger after his death.

    When Dale Evans heard about trigger she told Roy he better not get any ideas about her!

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  76. Langley says:
    @Anonymous
    The irony is that, whether his characters were or not, Twain himself was likely gay:

    " Larry Kramer: 'How could you not realise Mark Twain was gay?' "

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/21/larry-kramer-i-decided-i-was-going-to-write-a-history-of-my-american-people

    “Most histories are written by straight people who wouldn’t know, see the signs that a gay person does when they look at a person’s life,” Kramer said. “I mean, how could you write the life of Mark Twain without realising that he was hugely, hugely gay? The way he lived, who his friends were, and how his relationships began. And what he wrote about! I don’t know how you could avoid the assumption that he’s gay.”
     
    "Twain's outing"

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/twains-outing/100324.article

    A biography of Mark Twain that claims he had several gay encounters has added a new twist to a literary legend. Tim Cornwell reports.

    Andy Hoffman has dropped a bombshell on the world of Mark Twain scholarship with his suggestion that the master of American letters had a series of homosexual encounters.
     
    "Was Twain Gay? A Hypothesis Stirs Controversy
    Scholar's Hypothesis On Homosexuality Stirs Controversy About Twain's
    World"

    While he was roughing it as a young man in the mining camps and newspaper offices of the Wild West, did Mark Twain have homosexual relationships?

    The question, a hypothesis raised warily at a scholarly conference last month by a Providence-based scholar, has the usually sedate world of Twain experts buzzing, with some welcoming the interpretation and others finding the suggestion too thin to support.

    The argument, as restated by telephone Thursday by Andy Hoffman, 37, a visiting scholar at Brown University who is working on a Twain biography, is this: During Twain's Western years -- primarily between 1861 and 1866 -- he developed strong friendships with men such as fellow journalists Dan De Quille and Clement Rice. In both cases, the friendships ended abruptly and acrimoniously -- resembling romances scorned. "It seemed to me they had passionate endings because they were passionate relationships," Hoffman said. (Twain came East permanently in 1868, married Olivia Langdon in 1870 and moved to Hartford in 1871.)

    Western humorist Artemus Ward, who Hoffman says was homosexual, once wrote a letter to Twain that opened, "My dearest love ..."

    "Whether it's simply a joke or whether it is more significant about the nature of the relationship is anyone's guess. My guess is that it's more about the nature of the relationship," Hoffman said.

    In a newspaper squib a few weeks before Twain left Virginia City for San Francisco, he wrote: "Dan De Quille and Mark Twain are to be married shortly. About time." "Which seems kind of blatant, even for frontier humor," Hoffman observed.

    In addition, Twain's San Francisco crowd included a group of writers who called themselves the Bohemians. They were, Hoffman said, quite tolerant of homosexual and bisexual behavior.
     

    When Twain was here in Hawaii back at the end of the 19th-century he would roam the beaches of Waikiki strip down to appear of bronze colored Speedo’s. Everyone called him the industrial age pervert.

    What this thread really needs is a image of the bronze age pervert and big Jim fighting it out over a prone Huck on a raft in the Mississippi.

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  77. syonredux says:
    @Dr. Doom
    Well it just goes to show, there's what you know and what the media says.

    AND NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET.

    Always preferred Ambrose Bierce Myself. More edge, less sass.

    From Ambrose Bierce’s The Devil’s Dictionary:

    Conservative
    (n.) A statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.

    Cynic
    (n.) A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic’s eyes to improve his vision.

    Egotist
    (n.) A person of low taste, more interested in himself than in me.

    Faith
    (n.) Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

    Lawyer
    (n.) One skilled in circumvention of the law.

    Marriage
    (n.) A household consisting of a master, a mistress, and two slaves, making in all, two.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil’s_Dictionary

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    I don't think this was in the original DD, but it should have been:

    Youth
    (n.) A novice in the art of wasting one's life.
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  78. Oh for God’s sake let’s drop it. I don’t think Roy Rogers belongs in a thread so stuck on gay plumbing.

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    Boy. That didn't come out right.
    , @San Fernando Curt
    Boy. That didn't come out right.
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  79. @San Fernando Curt
    Oh for God's sake let's drop it. I don't think Roy Rogers belongs in a thread so stuck on gay plumbing.

    Boy. That didn’t come out right.

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  80. @San Fernando Curt
    Oh for God's sake let's drop it. I don't think Roy Rogers belongs in a thread so stuck on gay plumbing.

    Boy. That didn’t come out right.

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  81. Kylie says:
    @whorefinder

    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London’s struggle with “Homoerotic” impulses…..
     
    One major problem with both gays and females is that they literally understand nothing about straight male friendships. Since both groups' interactions with straight males is strictly based on sexual desire, they assume that that is all straight men are about, all the time. This is why gays/females are obsessed with "deconstructing" all male friendships in fiction as sexual in nature, e.g. The Kirk/Spock "slash" fic is almost always written by females/gays.

    Their stunning ignorance and refusal to admit the reality of straight male bonding, and their hostility towards straight male bonding (as they perceive it as a sexual threat to themselves), is a dangerous intellectual development.

    P.S. some straight male lefties have half-heartedly jumped on this train, too, but they are always denoted by a lack of fathers in their lives and being pretty lonely dudes with few male friends of their own.

    I’m a woman who’s always been puzzled by other women’s insistence that straight male friendships are secretly or even subconsciously gay. It can only be due to female vanity.

    Frankly as one who finds the company of most other women torturously boring and irritating, I can well understand straight guys wanting to hang out together with no women around. I love being the only woman in an otherwise all-male environment. Not because I’m the center of attention; in such groups, I sit on the sidelines unnoticed. But it’s so relaxing! The conversation is invariably better, too. I envy men having this outlet.

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  82. @syonredux
    From Ambrose Bierce's The Devil's Dictionary:

    Conservative
    (n.) A statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.

    Cynic
    (n.) A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic’s eyes to improve his vision.

    Egotist
    (n.) A person of low taste, more interested in himself than in me.

    Faith
    (n.) Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

    Lawyer
    (n.) One skilled in circumvention of the law.

    Marriage
    (n.) A household consisting of a master, a mistress, and two slaves, making in all, two.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil’s_Dictionary

    I don’t think this was in the original DD, but it should have been:

    Youth
    (n.) A novice in the art of wasting one’s life.

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  83. Moshe says:
    @Anonymous
    The irony is that, whether his characters were or not, Twain himself was likely gay:

    " Larry Kramer: 'How could you not realise Mark Twain was gay?' "

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/21/larry-kramer-i-decided-i-was-going-to-write-a-history-of-my-american-people

    “Most histories are written by straight people who wouldn’t know, see the signs that a gay person does when they look at a person’s life,” Kramer said. “I mean, how could you write the life of Mark Twain without realising that he was hugely, hugely gay? The way he lived, who his friends were, and how his relationships began. And what he wrote about! I don’t know how you could avoid the assumption that he’s gay.”
     
    "Twain's outing"

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/twains-outing/100324.article

    A biography of Mark Twain that claims he had several gay encounters has added a new twist to a literary legend. Tim Cornwell reports.

    Andy Hoffman has dropped a bombshell on the world of Mark Twain scholarship with his suggestion that the master of American letters had a series of homosexual encounters.
     
    "Was Twain Gay? A Hypothesis Stirs Controversy
    Scholar's Hypothesis On Homosexuality Stirs Controversy About Twain's
    World"

    While he was roughing it as a young man in the mining camps and newspaper offices of the Wild West, did Mark Twain have homosexual relationships?

    The question, a hypothesis raised warily at a scholarly conference last month by a Providence-based scholar, has the usually sedate world of Twain experts buzzing, with some welcoming the interpretation and others finding the suggestion too thin to support.

    The argument, as restated by telephone Thursday by Andy Hoffman, 37, a visiting scholar at Brown University who is working on a Twain biography, is this: During Twain's Western years -- primarily between 1861 and 1866 -- he developed strong friendships with men such as fellow journalists Dan De Quille and Clement Rice. In both cases, the friendships ended abruptly and acrimoniously -- resembling romances scorned. "It seemed to me they had passionate endings because they were passionate relationships," Hoffman said. (Twain came East permanently in 1868, married Olivia Langdon in 1870 and moved to Hartford in 1871.)

    Western humorist Artemus Ward, who Hoffman says was homosexual, once wrote a letter to Twain that opened, "My dearest love ..."

    "Whether it's simply a joke or whether it is more significant about the nature of the relationship is anyone's guess. My guess is that it's more about the nature of the relationship," Hoffman said.

    In a newspaper squib a few weeks before Twain left Virginia City for San Francisco, he wrote: "Dan De Quille and Mark Twain are to be married shortly. About time." "Which seems kind of blatant, even for frontier humor," Hoffman observed.

    In addition, Twain's San Francisco crowd included a group of writers who called themselves the Bohemians. They were, Hoffman said, quite tolerant of homosexual and bisexual behavior.
     

    In addition, his book about his time in the west is called Roughing It (ahem) and he notes there that as a young man he had opposed to Brigham Young’s multiple marriages to women (something he never would have said if Young had married a bunch of men), he also “humourously” extolled the advantages of lying, and spoke of sitting on the clothes of Hawain nude bathing females (something that would have been considered sexually aggressive if he were straight, his main books relate to BOYS (’nuff said), he once briefly owned a dirty mine…

    The evidence is Blatant and Obvious.

    If you claim not to see it we all know what you’re tring to hide.

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  84. @Stan Adams
    Don't forget Kirk and Spock.

    As for plumbing ... the New York papers once made a cause celebre out of a Haitian immigrant named Abner Louima, who claimed to have been plunger-raped by the police.

    Reading the NYT makes me feel as if I've been assaulted myself. It goes beyond fake news to a new psychedelic realm of unreality. If there is a world where the depraved rantings of hyphenated Timesmen/womyn/theyx bear any resemblance to observable, verifiable truth, then it must be one with tangerine trees and marmalade skies.

    Reading the NYT makes me feel as if I’ve been assaulted myself. It goes beyond fake news to a new psychedelic realm of unreality.

    Total degeneracy from the NYT: “Encounters” profile of a 12 year old kid. Pictorial shows him playing in a Comet Ping Pong type establishment:

    “He’s ‘Little’ in the Film ‘Moonlight,’ but Big on the Dodgeball Court”

    Critics and moviegoers have been taken by Alex’s performance, most of it delivered without any words, in which he communicates the adolescent angst of a young boy growing up in an environment where his sexuality is not understood. “Mahershala taught me a lot of tips about facials,” he said of his co-star Mahershala Ali, whom he calls his second father. “He was all like, ‘Just think about the moment that is going on.’”

    Facials? WTF. More freaky “Encounters”:

    “Veronica Webb, Overseer of Pizza Parties”

    The teenagers sprawled on the couch, a tangle of arms and legs, and watched “Thor” while they waited for the pizza to arrive.

    Molly, Ms. Webb’s 12-year-old daughter, emerged from her upstairs bedroom, wearing a crimson cape. “Chris, did you blunt my sword yet?” she asked her stepfather. […] “No,” he said. “I’m teaching you patience.”

    These people are sick.

    “What Is Paul Rudnick Doing Writing Young Adult Fiction?”

    It didn’t take much to persuade Paul Rudnick to step inside P.S. 3 the other day to watch parents waiting to take their children home.

    “Do they release the children all at once and let people pick who they want?” he asked. The children in hats with animal ears made him feel as dizzy as if he were on a carousel, he said.

    Q.E.D.

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    You're kidding, right? You picked random parts to sound dirtier. I could take Steve's writing about golf course architecture and excerpt the parts about holes to make it sound like he was writing about anonymous gay sex.

    There was a big pedophile presence in the early gay rights movement that nobody will own up to. A disproportionate number of pedophiles were gay if you look at the last available data before they stopped printing it. (You'd have to get access to old editions of textbooks on criminology and psychiatry, which are hard to come by.) The 1972 Gay Rights Platform included removing all age of consent laws.

    But the Comet Ping Pong thing struck me as baseless. All the evidence was that a bunch of famous people talked about pizza and pasta.
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  85. Olorin says:
    @syonredux

    But especially right now, with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging, the show doesn’t seem to have a great deal to add.
     
    I would say that it has a great deal to add. For example, if, while watching it, notions of "exclusion" and "privilege" pop into your head, you have just established that you are a self-hating White woman.....

    More likely she has established that she either never read any Twain, or read only a little.

    With the utter inability to comprehend it that would result from having an IQ in the 100-105 range and zero experience of life or history or people outside of textwhoring in her echobubble.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-collins-hughes-1832588

    I seem to recall a theatre review she did of a performance of The Taming of the Shrew that Taki skewered in The Spectator. It and other scribblings seem to suggest she has no personal or family life or marriage. (Maybe that’s why she’s frontin’ and weepin’ for all those poor black men being brutally bullwhipped out of their deserved star status. Pyg(fe)malion looking for the right block of granite.)

    Which leads to a broader observation:

    The habit of thought that views the entire world and everything in it as “exclusion” versus “privilege” whiffs of high school girls gossiping about who’s running with whom, who isn’t allowed in, who the popular kids are, and why they are bad.

    This petty female mentality has been constructed as the state religion. By now it’s women without families or children playing matriarch to the entire nation/world, telling everyone what to do, how to think, act, speak, and dress.

    And to think this feminist thing launched with the claim that men were responsible for oppression, repression, depression, and lack of sexual pleasure/fulfillment/lollipops and rainbows.

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    Excellent post! Especially your last three paragraphs. As always follow the money! One way or another women have more access and control over it that ever. Follow the money!
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  86. Anonym says:
    @syonredux

    But if that book has in part brought us liberal racial screed, that does little to recommend it to me. Along with TKAM and 12 Angry Men, forget them,
     
    Huckleberry Finn is a hell of a lot better than either To Kill a Mockingbird or Twelve Angry Men.

    Huckleberry Finn is a hell of a lot better than either To Kill a Mockingbird or Twelve Angry Men.

    I remember reading both raptly and making it through them, enjoying both Twain books a lot. FYI Goodreads rates Sawyer higher and amazon has them pegged.

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    Huckleberry Finn is a hell of a lot better than either To Kill a Mockingbird or Twelve Angry Men.

    I remember reading both raptly and making it through them, enjoying both Twain books a lot. FYI Goodreads rates Sawyer higher and amazon has them pegged.
     
    To Kill a Mockingbird and Twelve Angry Men are good examples of middlebrow lit; Huckleberry Finn, in contrast, is a genuine masterpiece, one of the greatest novels of the 19th century. Tom Sawyer is an excellent boys' book, but it's not the equal of Huckleberry Finn.
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  87. I hope there is a Ta-Nehisi musical in the works. Between the world goes ’round? Between the world and me and juliet? The black and pink panther? I bet there is.

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  88. I am the very proud owner of the complete works of Mark Twain, and Twain is indeed one of America’s greatest authors and story tellers. I snicker when I hear people such as Bill Maher referred to as humorist, when they pale in comparison to Twain and Will Rodgers. Steve you disappoint me, it is only 10 am here on the East Coast and you have already given me a full days helping of agita.

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  89. @enemy of earth
    Truth be told, there's no "plumbing of soul over questions of privilege and belonging" going on around me. My dad used to tell me, "A man who hits a woman is not a man, a man who does not provide for his family is not a man, and never apologize for who you are as long as you are being the best you can be."

    enemy, I like your dad.

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  90. @NOTA
    You know, there will come a point when enough people start openly rolling their eyes at this crap that it becomes safe to do so everywhere. And then, like magic, it will evaporate.

    NOTA, We really need a protest march that effectively shuts down the NYT for a couple of days. Imagine looking up at the offices of the Gray Lady and seeing Ms. Collins-Hughes clutching her pearls while tears of fear stream down her cheeks.

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  91. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Actually, ANY EXCUSE to get rid of these musicals would be okay with me.

    Does the world need broadway musical garbage like LES MISERABLES, PHANTOM OF OPERA, HAMILTON, RAGTIME, MS SAIGON, WICKED, etc, etc.

    Shut them all down. Use any excuse. Kitsch must die.

    Actually, ANY EXCUSE to get rid of these musicals would be okay with me.

    Does the world need broadway musical garbage like LES MISERABLES, PHANTOM OF OPERA, HAMILTON, RAGTIME, MS SAIGON, WICKED, etc, etc.

    Shut them all down. Use any excuse. Kitsch must die.

    I’m sure most of the writers and playwrights in 18th and 19th century would be perplexed that people would still go to plays and musicals after the advent of movie and television technology.

    Jane Austen would probably say, why read three pages of book to describe a scene which a movie director could do visually in seconds? And the best writers can never convey the subtlety of expression which a good actor can add.

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  92. Clyde says:
    @Olorin
    More likely she has established that she either never read any Twain, or read only a little.

    With the utter inability to comprehend it that would result from having an IQ in the 100-105 range and zero experience of life or history or people outside of textwhoring in her echobubble.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-collins-hughes-1832588

    I seem to recall a theatre review she did of a performance of The Taming of the Shrew that Taki skewered in The Spectator. It and other scribblings seem to suggest she has no personal or family life or marriage. (Maybe that's why she's frontin' and weepin' for all those poor black men being brutally bullwhipped out of their deserved star status. Pyg(fe)malion looking for the right block of granite.)

    Which leads to a broader observation:

    The habit of thought that views the entire world and everything in it as "exclusion" versus "privilege" whiffs of high school girls gossiping about who's running with whom, who isn't allowed in, who the popular kids are, and why they are bad.

    This petty female mentality has been constructed as the state religion. By now it's women without families or children playing matriarch to the entire nation/world, telling everyone what to do, how to think, act, speak, and dress.

    And to think this feminist thing launched with the claim that men were responsible for oppression, repression, depression, and lack of sexual pleasure/fulfillment/lollipops and rainbows.

    Excellent post! Especially your last three paragraphs. As always follow the money! One way or another women have more access and control over it that ever. Follow the money!

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  93. @Anonymous
    The 'Conversation' should be about blacks not caring about non-blacks. Blacks don't care. Never have and never will.

    Blacks don't give a damn about any outside group. They can't get along or even coexist peacefully with any non-black group.

    Black people also do not care about the planet. Or any other planets.

    Blacks are the most self-involved humans. They live in a black bubble of make believe. The modern world has sprung up around them and they had nothing to do with it.

    It's a form of perpetual childhood and non-blacks should not encourage this state of affairs. Non-blacks should everywhere and always call blacks on their bullshit and force them to behave in a civilized manner.

    That should be the conversation.

    They can’t get along or even coexist peacefully with any non-black group.

    Or apparently, within their own group either.

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  94. biz says:
    @whorefinder

    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London’s struggle with “Homoerotic” impulses…..
     
    One major problem with both gays and females is that they literally understand nothing about straight male friendships. Since both groups' interactions with straight males is strictly based on sexual desire, they assume that that is all straight men are about, all the time. This is why gays/females are obsessed with "deconstructing" all male friendships in fiction as sexual in nature, e.g. The Kirk/Spock "slash" fic is almost always written by females/gays.

    Their stunning ignorance and refusal to admit the reality of straight male bonding, and their hostility towards straight male bonding (as they perceive it as a sexual threat to themselves), is a dangerous intellectual development.

    P.S. some straight male lefties have half-heartedly jumped on this train, too, but they are always denoted by a lack of fathers in their lives and being pretty lonely dudes with few male friends of their own.

    Completely agree with your comment. Very perceptive.

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  95. @Frau Katze
    OT: the first Mexicans have strolled into Canada

    'We had to run': Refugees walking across B.C. border in fear of U.S. crackdown

    http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/we-had-to-run-refugees-walking-across-b-c-border-in-fear-of-u-s-crackdown

    This could become a flood given our mentally challenged prime minister.

    Frau, Well if you fear a flood, then build a dam. See previous Steve article about dams and spillways. But seriously, Canada doesn’t have a lot of Mexicans in B.C. does it. I remember lots of Asians.

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  96. @Anonym
    The thing is, Huck Finn isn’t just any work by a stale pale male, and it’s not even just any great American work. It’s the central articulation of the post-Civil War, liberal racial creed, that the freedman and the white man will bury the lash and join in friendship, as is permitted by the bounty of the American continent:

    It has been that long since I read either that or Tom Sawyer, and I forgot which I liked better. But if that book has in part brought us liberal racial screed, that does little to recommend it to me. Along with TKAM and 12 Angry Men, forget them, I'll stick with The Color of Crime as one of the great American cultural truths to show the next generation.

    Anonym, Our HS staged “12 Angry Men” as “12 Angry Jurors” to be more inclusive. Sigh.

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    Anonym, Our HS staged “12 Angry Men” as “12 Angry Jurors” to be more inclusive. Sigh.
     
    Which ruins it, obviously. The play depends on the dynamic that exists in an all male group. Add in women, and things just won't work.
    , @Anonym
    Actually such a PC fairy tale is ripe for deconstructing as something like 12 Angry Liberals. The accused should be a straight white male. Maybe the crime is a hate hoax, albeit one involving a murder. The jurors should be all coalition of the fringe members, majority non-white with a white gay, lesbian, maybe a trans, an occupy type and a young single white woman.

    But instead of a not guilty verdict, a dystopic guilty verdict should be reached, in spite of all the facts coming out, in order to send the right message. Because even if he is not guilty, the culture of hate must be opposed. The non-whites care not about innocence or guilt but who the accused is - a cishet White Male, optionally rightist.

    The SWW hears all the arguments and in the end decides to bow to peer pressure, convicting the man. In the epilogue her conscience gets to her. She either commits suicide, kills the hoaxer, or burns her media and book library, cancels her NYT subscription, and goes rightist.
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  97. SFG says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Reading the NYT makes me feel as if I’ve been assaulted myself. It goes beyond fake news to a new psychedelic realm of unreality.
     
    Total degeneracy from the NYT: “Encounters” profile of a 12 year old kid. Pictorial shows him playing in a Comet Ping Pong type establishment:

    "He’s ‘Little’ in the Film ‘Moonlight,’ but Big on the Dodgeball Court"

    Critics and moviegoers have been taken by Alex’s performance, most of it delivered without any words, in which he communicates the adolescent angst of a young boy growing up in an environment where his sexuality is not understood. “Mahershala taught me a lot of tips about facials,” he said of his co-star Mahershala Ali, whom he calls his second father. “He was all like, ‘Just think about the moment that is going on.’”
     
    Facials? WTF. More freaky “Encounters”:

    "Veronica Webb, Overseer of Pizza Parties"

    The teenagers sprawled on the couch, a tangle of arms and legs, and watched “Thor” while they waited for the pizza to arrive.
     

    Molly, Ms. Webb’s 12-year-old daughter, emerged from her upstairs bedroom, wearing a crimson cape. “Chris, did you blunt my sword yet?” she asked her stepfather. […] “No,” he said. “I’m teaching you patience.”
     
    These people are sick.

    "What Is Paul Rudnick Doing Writing Young Adult Fiction?"

    It didn’t take much to persuade Paul Rudnick to step inside P.S. 3 the other day to watch parents waiting to take their children home.
     

    “Do they release the children all at once and let people pick who they want?” he asked. The children in hats with animal ears made him feel as dizzy as if he were on a carousel, he said.
     
    Q.E.D.

    You’re kidding, right? You picked random parts to sound dirtier. I could take Steve’s writing about golf course architecture and excerpt the parts about holes to make it sound like he was writing about anonymous gay sex.

    There was a big pedophile presence in the early gay rights movement that nobody will own up to. A disproportionate number of pedophiles were gay if you look at the last available data before they stopped printing it. (You’d have to get access to old editions of textbooks on criminology and psychiatry, which are hard to come by.) The 1972 Gay Rights Platform included removing all age of consent laws.

    But the Comet Ping Pong thing struck me as baseless. All the evidence was that a bunch of famous people talked about pizza and pasta.

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    But the Comet Ping Pong thing struck me as baseless. All the evidence was that a bunch of famous people talked about pizza and pasta.

     

    If you know what I mean.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Yes, I’m kidding. It may be tough to tell because the NYT is so warped that my cut ’n’ paste satirical innuendo is probably only ten years ahead of actual ‘lifestyle’ content.
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  98. berserker says:

    Please God, save us from these upper middle class, self-loathing Whites. They are a true cancer.
    - I say that as an atheist and a non-White person.

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  99. Yak-15 says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    You know you are in full SJW libtard territory when the reporterette has a hyphenated last name.

    How are the NYT's circulation numbers these days?

    Ts:dr

    It is truly super SJW territory. Why do they even print these things?

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  100. @Jim Don Bob
    You know you are in full SJW libtard territory when the reporterette has a hyphenated last name.

    How are the NYT's circulation numbers these days?

    Ts:dr

    the global elite are trying to regain control of the narrative initially lost by the internet.

    Remember when Google news was a legitimate non bias aggregate? That lasted about two months… now its funneling MSM and filtering out alternative sources.

    The purpose of MSM is not ratings, circulation – its a giant megaphone.

    You’ll have to hear it even if you don’t want to. Like CNN playing on nearly all public places there is a screen.

    The NYT’s purpose is the official narrative of the elite. It is what you are supposed to believe.

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    "But especially right now, with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging, the show doesn’t seem to have a great deal to add."

    She speaks only for the SJW crowd. Her argument, of course, is nonsense.

    "the global elite are trying to regain control of the narrative initially lost by the internet."

    Please define global elite, as there are a myriad of definitions regarding this concept.

    "The NYT’s purpose is the official narrative of the elite. It is what you are supposed to believe."

    Just like Breitbart is the official narrative of the Alt Right. So what's your point here? Both are mouthpieces for a particular agenda. Rather than put your snout full bore into their slop, why not read multiple sources from multiple perspectives and figure out what is "truth".
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  101. @Langley
    " Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway."

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

    Green hornet and Kato lived in the city. Mind you the Green Hornet is a descendant of the Lone Ranger.

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    Green hornet and Kato lived in the city. Mind you the Green Hornet is a descendant of the Lone Ranger.
     
    Yep. The Green Hornet's father was the Lone Ranger's nephew.

    When I was in my teens, I read Philip Jose Farmer's spoof biography Tarzan Alive: A Definitive Biography of Lord Greystoke. In it, he adopts the Baker Street Irregular approach (fictional characters like Sherlock Holmes and Tarzan were real people) and attempts to separate fact from fiction in the Ape Man's life. The part that I liked best, though, was the genealogy in the back of the book, where Farmer shows that Tarzan was related to Sherlock Holmes, Leopold Bloom, Prof. Challenger, Nero Wolfe, Doc Savage, etc.

    That set me off on my own excursions into "creative mythography."For example, I swiftly worked out that John Carter of Mars was obviously related to both Randolph Carter (the hero of Lovecraft's Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath) and to the Victorian detective Nick Carter.And the Reid family (the Lone Ranger's surname) had to be connected to various other Reed/Reid/Reades: boy inventor Frank Reade, Reed Richards, etc.
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  102. @Anon
    "Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness."

    There might be a bit of truth to this since many key writers were homo or leaning that way.

    But then, it goes to show that homosexuality and imperialism have always gone together.

    And today, homomania is very much a feature of Western Imperialism.

    Homos are more adventurous, especially since they need not worry about pregnancy and could go off on their own and do their own stuff.
    Indeed, in some cases, they had to GO OFF to other lands to indulge in that stuff since they had the power advantage over the less advanced folks.

    Consider Donald Richie's homo affairs in Japan.
    He could get away with this in Japan(that was, in some ways, more tolerant of homo behavior) but not in the States.
    Or consider the fat homo ex-pat in YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUSLY.
    So, it may not always have been a desire for the interracial but the interracial as a relatively safe outlet for what wasn't tolerated in the West. (Likewise, we have Muslim men doing in the West the sort of stuff that would not be tolerated in Muslim world.)

    https://youtu.be/47DSKfUwuWc?t=37s

    Now, we are seeing sex tourism among white women, and they are going for Jungle Junk in Cuba, Africa, and etc. So, I guess the new 'sexual imperialism' will be led by white women(and cucky men). But this is a strange kind of imperialism. On the one hand, rich whites are buying sexual favors from blacks, but blacks are sexually conquering them physically. Whites financially control blacks to conquer whites sexually. A globo form of sado-masochism.

    It is a wacky world we live in.

    I doubt ‘sexual imperialism’ is lead by white women holidaying in black countries, compared to numbers of white male sex tourism (and mail order bride importing) from southeast asia.

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  103. @Cagey Beast
    Probably the only way to make "nice White ladies" stop these conversations on problematic White maleness is to turn the tables on them. We need to start ruining their favourite works of fiction, institutions and traditions. Someone needs to do yet another film adaptation of Margaret Atwood's Handmaid's Tale but make it with an all Black, all male, all gay cast. Same thing with the Girl With A Dragon Tattoo franchise, etc, etc.

    All muslum. The book is based on Moslem culture. I was not sure if the author supported or was protesting against Islam.

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    You mean Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid's Tale ? That was upper-middlebrow erotica for White ladies. It indicted White, Christian men for doing in a fictional dystopia what real Muslims do in their own countries today.

    Clearly this stuff is catnip for the cat ladies: it's been made into a radio play (twice), an opera, a stage production, a movie, an audio book, a one-woman stage show, a podcast series, a concept album and a TV series.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid%27s_Tale#Adaptations

    https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/830806647895384064

    How many of these women have read a Handmaid's Tale? I'll be every last one of them. Post-White, post-Protestant, post-national, postmodern ladies be crazy.

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  104. @enemy of earth
    Truth be told, there's no "plumbing of soul over questions of privilege and belonging" going on around me. My dad used to tell me, "A man who hits a woman is not a man, a man who does not provide for his family is not a man, and never apologize for who you are as long as you are being the best you can be."

    “Plumbing of soul!” “Privilege and belonging!” What rubbish!

    Smart man, your dad. Old fashioned…but smart. Let’s hope that”old fashioned” makes a return some day, though it won’t happen in my lifetime.

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    Yep, for a crazy East Texas hillbilly he got a few things right. He was very old fashioned. I was not allowed to wash dishes, make beds, do laundry, etc. because "boys don't do those chores." He once told me, "If I ever walk in a room and see you sitting down and there's a woman standing up I will kick your ass." Got me in a lot of trouble riding public transportation in the 60s and 70s. Force of habit would lead me to offer my seat to a standing woman and I would get either dirty looks or verbal castigation for sexist behavior. Don't even get me started on the crap I got for opening or holding the door for a woman.

    I very consciously raised my biological sons with the non-negotiable prohibition against laying a hand on a girl or woman. Once we had a foster daughter who was a real piece of work. She quickly picked up that my sons were not allowed to hit her and she tried to take advantage of that. They complained that it was not fair. I told them it might not be fair but that's the way it is. I also told them they could defend themselves by blocking hits or slaps but could not retaliate. To their credit they blocked her attempts to fight but never retaliated.

    I am painfully aware of my shortcomings as a husband and father but I think I got it right on this.
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    @flyingtiger
    All muslum. The book is based on Moslem culture. I was not sure if the author supported or was protesting against Islam.

    You mean Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid’s Tale ? That was upper-middlebrow erotica for White ladies. It indicted White, Christian men for doing in a fictional dystopia what real Muslims do in their own countries today.

    Clearly this stuff is catnip for the cat ladies: it’s been made into a radio play (twice), an opera, a stage production, a movie, an audio book, a one-woman stage show, a podcast series, a concept album and a TV series.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid%27s_Tale#Adaptations

    How many of these women have read a Handmaid’s Tale? I’ll be every last one of them. Post-White, post-Protestant, post-national, postmodern ladies be crazy.

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    This Handmaid’s Tale business gave me an idea. The "pussy hat", Pussy Riot demographic is a huge market that loves to get flustered about all things White, male and Trumpy. Instead of robbing banks like other political movements, what if the alt-right financed itself by writing Trump-themed erotica for these ladies? They obviously get a guilty pleasure out of patriarchy porn and what could give them bigger thrills than stuff about the Presbyterian Polygamist In Chief? We need to get Bronze Age Pervert onto this.
    , @Ivy
    Toxoplasma Gondii is likely to figure prominently in subsequent medical work, with accompanying political and cultural side effects. Therein lies an opportunity for the enterprising pharma researcher.
    , @cthulhu
    I have read The Handmaid's Tale and second your opinion. It clearly owes a debt (unacknowledged, of course) to Robert Heinlein's early-50s novella If This Goes On-, which was about an evangelical Christian takeover of the US and featured sexual slavery of women by the power structure. But Heinlein's story had a plausibility and vitality that Atwood's overblown tale sorely lacks in its overeagerness to Expose The Patriarchy.

    I certainly won't be watching the new TV series based on it, but I must admit that the late Natasha Richardson was quite delectable in the otherwise forgettable film adaptation.
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  106. janby says:

    I’m trying to wrap my mind around race-based angst concerning supporting roles versus starring roles because Jim is the one stand-out noble adult character in the book. Jim, a simple, uneducated, superstitious man, evolves into a “Christ-like” father figure whose gentleness and extraordinary powers of forgiveness play a pivotal role in Huck’s moral development. Twain brilliantly marries the sublime and the simple in Jim to paint one of the most sympathetic noble characters in literature while simultaneously making Jim believable. An artistic tour-de-force!

    Bean-counting narcissistic sjws spend so much time counting Huck Finn’s paragraphs and adding up its micro-aggressions, that they bypass/discount the highly nuanced contemptuous portrayal of white society in the book. And heaven forbid the poor schmuck who authors a role-reversed Huck Finn in which the white figure becomes the wise father figure and all the major black figures venal hucksters or worse.

    The “Dear White People” genre of black versus white literature and/or film is no artistic tour de force; it’s more an insufferable homage to banality.

    In answer, a white male is allowed to contribute to America’s cultural conversation because he knew how to write an explosively powerful nuanced portrayal that had an enduring legacy.

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  107. syonredux says:
    @Anonym
    Huckleberry Finn is a hell of a lot better than either To Kill a Mockingbird or Twelve Angry Men.

    I remember reading both raptly and making it through them, enjoying both Twain books a lot. FYI Goodreads rates Sawyer higher and amazon has them pegged.

    Huckleberry Finn is a hell of a lot better than either To Kill a Mockingbird or Twelve Angry Men.

    I remember reading both raptly and making it through them, enjoying both Twain books a lot. FYI Goodreads rates Sawyer higher and amazon has them pegged.

    To Kill a Mockingbird and Twelve Angry Men are good examples of middlebrow lit; Huckleberry Finn, in contrast, is a genuine masterpiece, one of the greatest novels of the 19th century. Tom Sawyer is an excellent boys’ book, but it’s not the equal of Huckleberry Finn.

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  108. @Langley
    " Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway."

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

    Can anyone explain why he was called the Lone Ranger, when Tonto was with him all the time?

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    "Can anyone explain why he was called the Lone Ranger, when Tonto was with him all the time?"

    Because he was the Lone [Texas] Ranger. Tonto, being a sidekick not a Texas Ranger, didn't count.
    , @guest
    Tonto wasn't a Ranger, duh.
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  109. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast
    You mean Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid's Tale ? That was upper-middlebrow erotica for White ladies. It indicted White, Christian men for doing in a fictional dystopia what real Muslims do in their own countries today.

    Clearly this stuff is catnip for the cat ladies: it's been made into a radio play (twice), an opera, a stage production, a movie, an audio book, a one-woman stage show, a podcast series, a concept album and a TV series.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid%27s_Tale#Adaptations

    https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/830806647895384064

    How many of these women have read a Handmaid's Tale? I'll be every last one of them. Post-White, post-Protestant, post-national, postmodern ladies be crazy.

    This Handmaid’s Tale business gave me an idea. The “pussy hat”, Pussy Riot demographic is a huge market that loves to get flustered about all things White, male and Trumpy. Instead of robbing banks like other political movements, what if the alt-right financed itself by writing Trump-themed erotica for these ladies? They obviously get a guilty pleasure out of patriarchy porn and what could give them bigger thrills than stuff about the Presbyterian Polygamist In Chief? We need to get Bronze Age Pervert onto this.

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    Er ... it may not have come to your notice, but a goodly population of the obese, sex-starved, cat-owning harpies you mention, with or without fat, bald, bespectacled, impotent and generally useless husbands, foamed themselves into a battery-powered frenzy not too long since with the aid of a cynical and deeply disgusting work of sado-masochistic pornography entitled Fifty Shades of Grey. The obese (etc.) authoress of that book is now a multi-millionairess (note the gender of these nouns – I refuse to comply with the Thought Police and will NOT come quietly, unlike, perhaps, the females in question, the book in one hand and the appliance in another) which tells you much about the collapse of morals in the West.
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  110. syonredux says:
    @flyingtiger
    Green hornet and Kato lived in the city. Mind you the Green Hornet is a descendant of the Lone Ranger.

    Green hornet and Kato lived in the city. Mind you the Green Hornet is a descendant of the Lone Ranger.

    Yep. The Green Hornet’s father was the Lone Ranger’s nephew.

    When I was in my teens, I read Philip Jose Farmer’s spoof biography Tarzan Alive: A Definitive Biography of Lord Greystoke. In it, he adopts the Baker Street Irregular approach (fictional characters like Sherlock Holmes and Tarzan were real people) and attempts to separate fact from fiction in the Ape Man’s life. The part that I liked best, though, was the genealogy in the back of the book, where Farmer shows that Tarzan was related to Sherlock Holmes, Leopold Bloom, Prof. Challenger, Nero Wolfe, Doc Savage, etc.

    That set me off on my own excursions into “creative mythography.”For example, I swiftly worked out that John Carter of Mars was obviously related to both Randolph Carter (the hero of Lovecraft’s Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath) and to the Victorian detective Nick Carter.And the Reid family (the Lone Ranger’s surname) had to be connected to various other Reed/Reid/Reades: boy inventor Frank Reade, Reed Richards, etc.

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  111. syonredux says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Anonym, Our HS staged "12 Angry Men" as "12 Angry Jurors" to be more inclusive. Sigh.

    Anonym, Our HS staged “12 Angry Men” as “12 Angry Jurors” to be more inclusive. Sigh.

    Which ruins it, obviously. The play depends on the dynamic that exists in an all male group. Add in women, and things just won’t work.

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  112. @Connecticut Famer
    "Plumbing of soul!" "Privilege and belonging!" What rubbish!

    Smart man, your dad. Old fashioned...but smart. Let's hope that"old fashioned" makes a return some day, though it won't happen in my lifetime.

    Yep, for a crazy East Texas hillbilly he got a few things right. He was very old fashioned. I was not allowed to wash dishes, make beds, do laundry, etc. because “boys don’t do those chores.” He once told me, “If I ever walk in a room and see you sitting down and there’s a woman standing up I will kick your ass.” Got me in a lot of trouble riding public transportation in the 60s and 70s. Force of habit would lead me to offer my seat to a standing woman and I would get either dirty looks or verbal castigation for sexist behavior. Don’t even get me started on the crap I got for opening or holding the door for a woman.

    I very consciously raised my biological sons with the non-negotiable prohibition against laying a hand on a girl or woman. Once we had a foster daughter who was a real piece of work. She quickly picked up that my sons were not allowed to hit her and she tried to take advantage of that. They complained that it was not fair. I told them it might not be fair but that’s the way it is. I also told them they could defend themselves by blocking hits or slaps but could not retaliate. To their credit they blocked her attempts to fight but never retaliated.

    I am painfully aware of my shortcomings as a husband and father but I think I got it right on this.

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  113. janby says:

    The better question: “Why is someone who seriously asked this question getting paid for it?”

    There’s a world of difference between legitimate discussions about the book’s literary cultural merit and discussions about whether white males deserve a seat at the table. Many contend that white males are immune from micro-aggressions. Maybe that’s because society accepts and richly rewards openly hatin’ on white males.

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  114. benjaminl says:
    @Luke Lea
    The NYT comments on this review agree with you, Steve, overwhelmingly, which must tell us something though I'm not sure what. Multi-cultural revisionists coming out of the woodwork? Or out of the closet. The cultural winds continue to shift.

    Even the liberal Frank Rich is having second thoughts about the PC juggernaut…

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  115. Corvinus says:
    @oh its just me too
    the global elite are trying to regain control of the narrative initially lost by the internet.

    Remember when Google news was a legitimate non bias aggregate? That lasted about two months... now its funneling MSM and filtering out alternative sources.

    The purpose of MSM is not ratings, circulation - its a giant megaphone.

    You'll have to hear it even if you don't want to. Like CNN playing on nearly all public places there is a screen.

    The NYT's purpose is the official narrative of the elite. It is what you are supposed to believe.

    “But especially right now, with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging, the show doesn’t seem to have a great deal to add.”

    She speaks only for the SJW crowd. Her argument, of course, is nonsense.

    “the global elite are trying to regain control of the narrative initially lost by the internet.”

    Please define global elite, as there are a myriad of definitions regarding this concept.

    “The NYT’s purpose is the official narrative of the elite. It is what you are supposed to believe.”

    Just like Breitbart is the official narrative of the Alt Right. So what’s your point here? Both are mouthpieces for a particular agenda. Rather than put your snout full bore into their slop, why not read multiple sources from multiple perspectives and figure out what is “truth”.

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    That's fine , if the NY Times wants to admit that it is the semi-official organ of the left wing of the Democrat Party, a sort of American Pravda, I have no problem with that.

    But that's not how they sell themselves - outside of the editorial pages, they publicly maintain that devoted to unbiased factual coverage. You can argue that it's impossible to be unbiased, but in the past they at least made an effort or at least tried to cover their tracks. Now they barely even try to hide it anymore, but they still maintain that they are the purveyors of "real news" and Breibart, etc. are "fake news".
    , @oh its just me too
    global elite: davos men as defined by Sam Huntington

    I do read multiple sources, but as I pointed out in my post the global elite (davos men) are trying to control of the narrative again - thus for example aggregators like google news favor MSM, facebook routinely kills trending conservative stories, twitter bans conservative accounts but not far left ones, etc...
    , @Mr. Anon
    "She speaks only for the SJW crowd."

    No, she speaks for the New York Times, hardly a marginal group.

    "Please define global elite, as there are a myriad of definitions regarding this concept."

    The elite who push globalism off on the rest of us. Get your head out of your ass, where it seems to permanently reside, and they aren't hard to identify.

    "Just like Breitbart is the official narrative of the Alt Right."

    You are obviously ignorant. Breitbart isn't "Alt Right".

    ".....why not read multiple sources from multiple perspectives and figure out what is “truth”."

    That you put the word truth into scare quotes says everything important there is to know about you.
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  116. A turn of phrase that Huck uses that I’ve borrowed since my teens: “I’m a nation sorry for you.”

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  117. Pericles says:
    @Langley
    " Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway."

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

    … Marx and Engels …

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  118. Pericles says:
    @syonredux

    I’m sure there is a way to repurpose Huck as a DREAMer. Shocking really, if nobody has tried it yet. Aren’t “Citizen Kane” and “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” about the wonder-working power of immigration? We have already established that the Great Religions are all immigrants rights parables at their root
     
    Well, Finn is an Irish name.......And, as we all know, the Irish didn't become White until Kennedy was inaugurated....

    And, as we all know, the Irish didn’t become White until Kennedy was inaugurated….

    God bless John Fievel Kennedy.

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  119. Pericles says:
    @SPMoore8
    My British cousins couldn't stop laughing when they found out that Roy Rogers stuffed Trigger after his death.

    Meanwhile, their Australian relatives were rooted to the ground in horror.

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    I think the connotation of sexual intercourse is common to both Brits and Aussies, at any rate that's why they were laughing.
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  120. Pericles says:
    @SFG
    You're kidding, right? You picked random parts to sound dirtier. I could take Steve's writing about golf course architecture and excerpt the parts about holes to make it sound like he was writing about anonymous gay sex.

    There was a big pedophile presence in the early gay rights movement that nobody will own up to. A disproportionate number of pedophiles were gay if you look at the last available data before they stopped printing it. (You'd have to get access to old editions of textbooks on criminology and psychiatry, which are hard to come by.) The 1972 Gay Rights Platform included removing all age of consent laws.

    But the Comet Ping Pong thing struck me as baseless. All the evidence was that a bunch of famous people talked about pizza and pasta.

    But the Comet Ping Pong thing struck me as baseless. All the evidence was that a bunch of famous people talked about pizza and pasta.

    If you know what I mean.

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  121. Jack D says:
    @Corvinus
    "But especially right now, with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging, the show doesn’t seem to have a great deal to add."

    She speaks only for the SJW crowd. Her argument, of course, is nonsense.

    "the global elite are trying to regain control of the narrative initially lost by the internet."

    Please define global elite, as there are a myriad of definitions regarding this concept.

    "The NYT’s purpose is the official narrative of the elite. It is what you are supposed to believe."

    Just like Breitbart is the official narrative of the Alt Right. So what's your point here? Both are mouthpieces for a particular agenda. Rather than put your snout full bore into their slop, why not read multiple sources from multiple perspectives and figure out what is "truth".

    That’s fine , if the NY Times wants to admit that it is the semi-official organ of the left wing of the Democrat Party, a sort of American Pravda, I have no problem with that.

    But that’s not how they sell themselves – outside of the editorial pages, they publicly maintain that devoted to unbiased factual coverage. You can argue that it’s impossible to be unbiased, but in the past they at least made an effort or at least tried to cover their tracks. Now they barely even try to hide it anymore, but they still maintain that they are the purveyors of “real news” and Breibart, etc. are “fake news”.

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    "But that’s not how they sell themselves – outside of the editorial pages, they publicly maintain that devoted to unbiased factual coverage."

    And so does Fox News and Breitbart. Your point? Of course, each author for these respective publications, along with the NYT, may have their own individual agenda separate from the agencies they represent.
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  122. @whorefinder

    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London’s struggle with “Homoerotic” impulses…..
     
    One major problem with both gays and females is that they literally understand nothing about straight male friendships. Since both groups' interactions with straight males is strictly based on sexual desire, they assume that that is all straight men are about, all the time. This is why gays/females are obsessed with "deconstructing" all male friendships in fiction as sexual in nature, e.g. The Kirk/Spock "slash" fic is almost always written by females/gays.

    Their stunning ignorance and refusal to admit the reality of straight male bonding, and their hostility towards straight male bonding (as they perceive it as a sexual threat to themselves), is a dangerous intellectual development.

    P.S. some straight male lefties have half-heartedly jumped on this train, too, but they are always denoted by a lack of fathers in their lives and being pretty lonely dudes with few male friends of their own.

    Also, “romantic friendship” between members of the same sex (passionate but not necessarily sexual) was a completely normal thing until quite recently.

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    "Also, “romantic friendship” between members of the same sex (passionate but not necessarily sexual) was a completely normal thing until quite recently."

    I'm old enough to remember the transition between businessman sharing a room during travel to a strict one man to a room rule after the gay revolution.
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  123. Twain fought* for the Confederacy during the Civil War, and therefore his ideas, works and actions are just as discredited and worthless as those of the slave-holding Washington, Jefferson, and Madison.

    * If by fought you mean spent two weeks drilling in a company of Missouri volunteers who disbanded and scattered at their first sight of the Union Army.

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    "The Private History of a Campaign that Failed," by Mark Twain


    http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/phctf.html
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  124. Ivy says:
    @Cagey Beast
    You mean Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid's Tale ? That was upper-middlebrow erotica for White ladies. It indicted White, Christian men for doing in a fictional dystopia what real Muslims do in their own countries today.

    Clearly this stuff is catnip for the cat ladies: it's been made into a radio play (twice), an opera, a stage production, a movie, an audio book, a one-woman stage show, a podcast series, a concept album and a TV series.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid%27s_Tale#Adaptations

    https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/830806647895384064

    How many of these women have read a Handmaid's Tale? I'll be every last one of them. Post-White, post-Protestant, post-national, postmodern ladies be crazy.

    Toxoplasma Gondii is likely to figure prominently in subsequent medical work, with accompanying political and cultural side effects. Therein lies an opportunity for the enterprising pharma researcher.

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  125. Anonym says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Anonym, Our HS staged "12 Angry Men" as "12 Angry Jurors" to be more inclusive. Sigh.

    Actually such a PC fairy tale is ripe for deconstructing as something like 12 Angry Liberals. The accused should be a straight white male. Maybe the crime is a hate hoax, albeit one involving a murder. The jurors should be all coalition of the fringe members, majority non-white with a white gay, lesbian, maybe a trans, an occupy type and a young single white woman.

    But instead of a not guilty verdict, a dystopic guilty verdict should be reached, in spite of all the facts coming out, in order to send the right message. Because even if he is not guilty, the culture of hate must be opposed. The non-whites care not about innocence or guilt but who the accused is – a cishet White Male, optionally rightist.

    The SWW hears all the arguments and in the end decides to bow to peer pressure, convicting the man. In the epilogue her conscience gets to her. She either commits suicide, kills the hoaxer, or burns her media and book library, cancels her NYT subscription, and goes rightist.

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  126. @Corvinus
    "But especially right now, with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging, the show doesn’t seem to have a great deal to add."

    She speaks only for the SJW crowd. Her argument, of course, is nonsense.

    "the global elite are trying to regain control of the narrative initially lost by the internet."

    Please define global elite, as there are a myriad of definitions regarding this concept.

    "The NYT’s purpose is the official narrative of the elite. It is what you are supposed to believe."

    Just like Breitbart is the official narrative of the Alt Right. So what's your point here? Both are mouthpieces for a particular agenda. Rather than put your snout full bore into their slop, why not read multiple sources from multiple perspectives and figure out what is "truth".

    global elite: davos men as defined by Sam Huntington

    I do read multiple sources, but as I pointed out in my post the global elite (davos men) are trying to control of the narrative again – thus for example aggregators like google news favor MSM, facebook routinely kills trending conservative stories, twitter bans conservative accounts but not far left ones, etc…

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    "global elite: davos men as defined by Sam Huntington"

    That is one way of looking at it.

    "I do read multiple sources, but as I pointed out in my post the global elite (davos men) are trying to control of the narrative again – thus for example aggregators like google news favor MSM, facebook routinely kills trending conservative stories, twitter bans conservative accounts but not far left ones, etc…"

    Yes, Facebook and Twitter ban conservative stories. But are they not exercising their freedom of association that the right touts so highly? Are they not a private enterprise that has the liberty to make those business decisions, however short sighted in the long term?
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  127. cthulhu says:
    @Cagey Beast
    You mean Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid's Tale ? That was upper-middlebrow erotica for White ladies. It indicted White, Christian men for doing in a fictional dystopia what real Muslims do in their own countries today.

    Clearly this stuff is catnip for the cat ladies: it's been made into a radio play (twice), an opera, a stage production, a movie, an audio book, a one-woman stage show, a podcast series, a concept album and a TV series.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid%27s_Tale#Adaptations

    https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/830806647895384064

    How many of these women have read a Handmaid's Tale? I'll be every last one of them. Post-White, post-Protestant, post-national, postmodern ladies be crazy.

    I have read The Handmaid’s Tale and second your opinion. It clearly owes a debt (unacknowledged, of course) to Robert Heinlein’s early-50s novella If This Goes On-, which was about an evangelical Christian takeover of the US and featured sexual slavery of women by the power structure. But Heinlein’s story had a plausibility and vitality that Atwood’s overblown tale sorely lacks in its overeagerness to Expose The Patriarchy.

    I certainly won’t be watching the new TV series based on it, but I must admit that the late Natasha Richardson was quite delectable in the otherwise forgettable film adaptation.

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  128. @SFG
    You're kidding, right? You picked random parts to sound dirtier. I could take Steve's writing about golf course architecture and excerpt the parts about holes to make it sound like he was writing about anonymous gay sex.

    There was a big pedophile presence in the early gay rights movement that nobody will own up to. A disproportionate number of pedophiles were gay if you look at the last available data before they stopped printing it. (You'd have to get access to old editions of textbooks on criminology and psychiatry, which are hard to come by.) The 1972 Gay Rights Platform included removing all age of consent laws.

    But the Comet Ping Pong thing struck me as baseless. All the evidence was that a bunch of famous people talked about pizza and pasta.

    Yes, I’m kidding. It may be tough to tell because the NYT is so warped that my cut ’n’ paste satirical innuendo is probably only ten years ahead of actual ‘lifestyle’ content.

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  129. Old fogey says:
    @NOTA
    You know, there will come a point when enough people start openly rolling their eyes at this crap that it becomes safe to do so everywhere. And then, like magic, it will evaporate.

    “You know, there will come a point when enough people start openly rolling their eyes at this crap that it becomes safe to do so everywhere. And then, like magic, it will evaporate.”

    Lord willing.

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  130. Old fogey says:
    @Luke Lea
    The NYT comments on this review agree with you, Steve, overwhelmingly, which must tell us something though I'm not sure what. Multi-cultural revisionists coming out of the woodwork? Or out of the closet. The cultural winds continue to shift.

    Don’t forget that when an organization sure of its own moral superiority as the NYT will just double-down on the “teaching lessons” it offers whenever it sees that some of its readers actually have the temerity to disagree.

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  131. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "But especially right now, with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging, the show doesn’t seem to have a great deal to add."

    She speaks only for the SJW crowd. Her argument, of course, is nonsense.

    "the global elite are trying to regain control of the narrative initially lost by the internet."

    Please define global elite, as there are a myriad of definitions regarding this concept.

    "The NYT’s purpose is the official narrative of the elite. It is what you are supposed to believe."

    Just like Breitbart is the official narrative of the Alt Right. So what's your point here? Both are mouthpieces for a particular agenda. Rather than put your snout full bore into their slop, why not read multiple sources from multiple perspectives and figure out what is "truth".

    “She speaks only for the SJW crowd.”

    No, she speaks for the New York Times, hardly a marginal group.

    “Please define global elite, as there are a myriad of definitions regarding this concept.”

    The elite who push globalism off on the rest of us. Get your head out of your ass, where it seems to permanently reside, and they aren’t hard to identify.

    “Just like Breitbart is the official narrative of the Alt Right.”

    You are obviously ignorant. Breitbart isn’t “Alt Right”.

    “…..why not read multiple sources from multiple perspectives and figure out what is “truth”.”

    That you put the word truth into scare quotes says everything important there is to know about you.

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  132. Forbes says:
    @yaqub the mad scientist
    We really don't know how to handle history, or art. Our democracy is relentless in denying its ancestors. The present sneers at the past with a sense of superiority that comes merely from being the present. No other kind of ignorance indulges in such self flattery.

    Well said.

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  133. Forbes says:
    @Ivy
    The NYT seems presumptuous in asserting that the United States is plumbing yada yada. Their prior role of leading newspaper has been diminished, although they may not be ready to accept what has become evident to the rest of the world.

    That pretense may be maintained for a while longer, however each new revelation and outbreak of truth must feel like water torture in the editorial meetings. One can only hope that similar events are influencing other publications and networks accordingly. The endgame of old media seems underway, so what will the next phase bring?

    Newspapers, today, carry no news. It’s all feature articles and opinion pieces. They’ve become daily opinion journals or magazines. If newspapers want to stay in business, they’ll recognize the news is reported on-line, and their print publishing schedule and content will be severely curtailed. Local papers have a monopoly on local, community content. National newspapers have the challenge of no monopoly content–well, except for pitiful pieces from contributors such as Collins-Hughes.

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    Local newspapers are increasingly part of Warren Buffett's group, so with a twist on filtering of what is news and what editorial policy is pursued, or are family-owned sheets trying to hang on.
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  134. Spmoore8 says:
    @Pericles
    Meanwhile, their Australian relatives were rooted to the ground in horror.

    I think the connotation of sexual intercourse is common to both Brits and Aussies, at any rate that’s why they were laughing.

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    'Twas merely a variation on the theme.
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  135. Forbes says:
    @whorefinder

    A female colleague of mine once tried to persuade me that The Call of the Wild was about Jack London’s struggle with “Homoerotic” impulses…..
     
    One major problem with both gays and females is that they literally understand nothing about straight male friendships. Since both groups' interactions with straight males is strictly based on sexual desire, they assume that that is all straight men are about, all the time. This is why gays/females are obsessed with "deconstructing" all male friendships in fiction as sexual in nature, e.g. The Kirk/Spock "slash" fic is almost always written by females/gays.

    Their stunning ignorance and refusal to admit the reality of straight male bonding, and their hostility towards straight male bonding (as they perceive it as a sexual threat to themselves), is a dangerous intellectual development.

    P.S. some straight male lefties have half-heartedly jumped on this train, too, but they are always denoted by a lack of fathers in their lives and being pretty lonely dudes with few male friends of their own.

    Their stunning ignorance and refusal to admit the reality of straight male bonding, and their hostility towards straight male bonding (as they perceive it as a sexual threat to themselves), is a dangerous intellectual development.

    The nature of straight male bonding is outside their experience and instincts, and in my experience, women make (almost) no effort to understand men–so their hostility results (in part) from their perception of being excluded. Any all-male activity, once intruded upon by a woman, changes the entire character and experience of the activity.

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    "in my experience, women make (almost) no effort to understand men"

    Traditionally, women were better at understanding men than vice-versa.

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  136. syonredux says:
    @Milo Minderbinder
    Twain fought* for the Confederacy during the Civil War, and therefore his ideas, works and actions are just as discredited and worthless as those of the slave-holding Washington, Jefferson, and Madison.

    * If by fought you mean spent two weeks drilling in a company of Missouri volunteers who disbanded and scattered at their first sight of the Union Army.

    “The Private History of a Campaign that Failed,” by Mark Twain

    http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/phctf.html

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    I've read that Twain went West because he was seriously worried about being executed for desertion.
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  137. Forbes says:
    @Ivy
    What happens when one hyphenate marries another one? Do they flip a coin to determine the order of which name is the top?

    Feminists, so determined for the women’s cause against the patriarchy, that in marriage, they take the name of their father and their husband’s father. The irony runs deep.

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    One of those previously-hyphenated unions has to decide either to have four linked names or do some pruning. Then there is the choice of lead name - Who's on first? I don't know... Should it be Abbott-Costello-Tinker-Evers, or something else?

    Either way, someone will be put out. Such are the challenges of intersectionality, or is that some other DSM category?
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  138. @Anonymous
    The 'Conversation' should be about blacks not caring about non-blacks. Blacks don't care. Never have and never will.

    Blacks don't give a damn about any outside group. They can't get along or even coexist peacefully with any non-black group.

    Black people also do not care about the planet. Or any other planets.

    Blacks are the most self-involved humans. They live in a black bubble of make believe. The modern world has sprung up around them and they had nothing to do with it.

    It's a form of perpetual childhood and non-blacks should not encourage this state of affairs. Non-blacks should everywhere and always call blacks on their bullshit and force them to behave in a civilized manner.

    That should be the conversation.

    A lot of non-white, non-blacks feel that way but are afraid to articulate their position openly, lest they would be mocked by whites and hated by blacks.

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  139. @Forbes

    Their stunning ignorance and refusal to admit the reality of straight male bonding, and their hostility towards straight male bonding (as they perceive it as a sexual threat to themselves), is a dangerous intellectual development.
     
    The nature of straight male bonding is outside their experience and instincts, and in my experience, women make (almost) no effort to understand men--so their hostility results (in part) from their perception of being excluded. Any all-male activity, once intruded upon by a woman, changes the entire character and experience of the activity.

    “in my experience, women make (almost) no effort to understand men”

    Traditionally, women were better at understanding men than vice-versa.

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    Understanding how to manipulate, yes. Just plain understanding, no.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I suspect that decreasing family sizes (fewer siblings) and frequency of intergenerational cohabitation is decreasing the two sexes' abilities to understand one another.

    (Luckily, we have many more genders now, so if you can't understand women, just find a gender you can understand!)
    , @guest
    That's true, partly because we're using "understand" here in a womanly sense. Their interest in gossip and talking about their feelings makes them shrewd folk-sociologists and -psychologists. But they're not very objective, and if the aim were to describe the opposite sex like we describe the bull weevil, men would do better.

    That being said, practical day to day knowledge of the opposite sex goes to woman traditionally because traditional woman would've starved without it. Her sexual strategy was to manipulate a man into sticking around, working for her and her children, protecting them. This has a two-fold effect. Firstly, a conwoman's gotta know her mark. Secondly, it's hard for men to get a handle on the sex that never stops lying.

    Things are different now, since women have become financially, legally and socially independent. They haven't stopped lying, but they probably have lost their hard edge of Noticing, which isn't inborn but comes with practice.

    , @Forbes
    Traditionally, historically, it is probably the case that women were better at understanding men than vice-versa. And those women were likely called housewives and homemakers and mothers (a successful mating strategy). Today, women (single, working) make little effort to understand men. Mostly, they don't have to. They're told by the culture (and their fathers) they can do (aspire to) whatever they want, and not to settle for anything but the best (because they deserve it). This inflated self-worth results in a lack of self-awareness in how the sexes interact. It's a strange double standard--they get independence of action and sexual liberation of the modern era, but count on male (provider) chauvinism of the older era that satisfies their every want and desire. And why not? They're told they can have it all.
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  140. JohnnyD says:
    @Reed
    Just wait until someone makes a musical about Ernest Hemingway's work. Feminist literary critics called him 'public enemy number one'.

    ,
    Back in Hemmingway’s day, the left was very masculine.

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    "Back in Hemingway's day, the left was very masculine."

    During WWII, Hollywood loved war heroes. I just read a biography of fighter ace Robert Lee Scott (love the name) titled "Double Ace." Scott wrote a big wartime bestseller "God is My Copilot." He spent several months in Hollywood getting the movie on the book made.

    Scott got to know several famous actresses well, "very well," as his biographer wrote.
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  141. @International Jew

    with the United States plumbing its own soul over questions of privilege and belonging
     
    More like we're being subjected to an involuntary endoscopy.

    You must be a local notwithstanding the handle… Most of these guys are pointing at your namesake for the unnecessary medical procedure.

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  142. Ivy says:
    @Forbes
    Newspapers, today, carry no news. It's all feature articles and opinion pieces. They've become daily opinion journals or magazines. If newspapers want to stay in business, they'll recognize the news is reported on-line, and their print publishing schedule and content will be severely curtailed. Local papers have a monopoly on local, community content. National newspapers have the challenge of no monopoly content--well, except for pitiful pieces from contributors such as Collins-Hughes.

    Local newspapers are increasingly part of Warren Buffett’s group, so with a twist on filtering of what is news and what editorial policy is pursued, or are family-owned sheets trying to hang on.

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  143. inertial says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "in my experience, women make (almost) no effort to understand men"

    Traditionally, women were better at understanding men than vice-versa.

    Understanding how to manipulate, yes. Just plain understanding, no.

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  144. Ivy says:
    @Forbes
    Feminists, so determined for the women's cause against the patriarchy, that in marriage, they take the name of their father and their husband's father. The irony runs deep.

    One of those previously-hyphenated unions has to decide either to have four linked names or do some pruning. Then there is the choice of lead name – Who’s on first? I don’t know… Should it be Abbott-Costello-Tinker-Evers, or something else?

    Either way, someone will be put out. Such are the challenges of intersectionality, or is that some other DSM category?

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  145. @Spotted Toad
    The thing is, Huck Finn isn't just any work by a stale pale male, and it's not even just any great American work. It's the central articulation of the post-Civil War, liberal racial creed, that the freedman and the white man will bury the lash and join in friendship, as is permitted by the bounty of the American continent:

    Sometimes we'd have that whole river all to ourselves for the longest time. Yonder was the banks and the islands, across the water; and maybe a spark- which was a candle in a cabin window- and sometimes on the water you could see a spark or two- on a raft or a scow, you know; and maybe you could hear a fiddle or a song coming over from one of them crafts. It's lovely to live on a raft. We had the sky, up there, all speckled with stars, and we used to lay on our backs and look up at them, and discuss about whether they was made, or only just happened- Jim he allowed they was made, but I allowed they happened; I judged it would have took too long to make so many. Jim said the moon could a laid them; well, that looked kind of reasonable, so I didn't say nothing against it, because I've seen a frog lay most as many, so of course it could be done. We used to watch the stars that fell, too, and see them streak down. Jim allowed they'd got spoiled and was hove out of the nest.
     
    If you decide that the story of Huck Finn is *too racist* to any longer be performed, we're all really done for.

    On our American raft, there’s only room for two is how I see it. We need someone to explicate “raft ethics”.

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  146. @Steve Sailer
    "in my experience, women make (almost) no effort to understand men"

    Traditionally, women were better at understanding men than vice-versa.

    I suspect that decreasing family sizes (fewer siblings) and frequency of intergenerational cohabitation is decreasing the two sexes’ abilities to understand one another.

    (Luckily, we have many more genders now, so if you can’t understand women, just find a gender you can understand!)

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  147. Kylie says:
    @Thomas Fuller
    Can anyone explain why he was called the Lone Ranger, when Tonto was with him all the time?

    “Can anyone explain why he was called the Lone Ranger, when Tonto was with him all the time?”

    Because he was the Lone [Texas] Ranger. Tonto, being a sidekick not a Texas Ranger, didn’t count.

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    Thanks. Poor Tonto was always the one to get knocked on the noggin as he rounded the corner of the homely shed that served a multitude of low-budget functions (desperadoes' hideout, sheriff's office, headquarters at the silver mine, etc., etc.). Frankly I don't why he he stuck around.
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  148. @JohnnyD
    @Reed,
    Back in Hemmingway's day, the left was very masculine.

    “Back in Hemingway’s day, the left was very masculine.”

    During WWII, Hollywood loved war heroes. I just read a biography of fighter ace Robert Lee Scott (love the name) titled “Double Ace.” Scott wrote a big wartime bestseller “God is My Copilot.” He spent several months in Hollywood getting the movie on the book made.

    Scott got to know several famous actresses well, “very well,” as his biographer wrote.

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  149. guest says:
    @Thomas Fuller
    Can anyone explain why he was called the Lone Ranger, when Tonto was with him all the time?

    Tonto wasn’t a Ranger, duh.

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  150. guest says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "in my experience, women make (almost) no effort to understand men"

    Traditionally, women were better at understanding men than vice-versa.

    That’s true, partly because we’re using “understand” here in a womanly sense. Their interest in gossip and talking about their feelings makes them shrewd folk-sociologists and -psychologists. But they’re not very objective, and if the aim were to describe the opposite sex like we describe the bull weevil, men would do better.

    That being said, practical day to day knowledge of the opposite sex goes to woman traditionally because traditional woman would’ve starved without it. Her sexual strategy was to manipulate a man into sticking around, working for her and her children, protecting them. This has a two-fold effect. Firstly, a conwoman’s gotta know her mark. Secondly, it’s hard for men to get a handle on the sex that never stops lying.

    Things are different now, since women have become financially, legally and socially independent. They haven’t stopped lying, but they probably have lost their hard edge of Noticing, which isn’t inborn but comes with practice.

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  151. Pericles says:
    @Spmoore8
    I think the connotation of sexual intercourse is common to both Brits and Aussies, at any rate that's why they were laughing.

    ‘Twas merely a variation on the theme.

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  152. @Cagey Beast
    This Handmaid’s Tale business gave me an idea. The "pussy hat", Pussy Riot demographic is a huge market that loves to get flustered about all things White, male and Trumpy. Instead of robbing banks like other political movements, what if the alt-right financed itself by writing Trump-themed erotica for these ladies? They obviously get a guilty pleasure out of patriarchy porn and what could give them bigger thrills than stuff about the Presbyterian Polygamist In Chief? We need to get Bronze Age Pervert onto this.

    Er … it may not have come to your notice, but a goodly population of the obese, sex-starved, cat-owning harpies you mention, with or without fat, bald, bespectacled, impotent and generally useless husbands, foamed themselves into a battery-powered frenzy not too long since with the aid of a cynical and deeply disgusting work of sado-masochistic pornography entitled Fifty Shades of Grey. The obese (etc.) authoress of that book is now a multi-millionairess (note the gender of these nouns – I refuse to comply with the Thought Police and will NOT come quietly, unlike, perhaps, the females in question, the book in one hand and the appliance in another) which tells you much about the collapse of morals in the West.

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  153. @Kylie
    "Can anyone explain why he was called the Lone Ranger, when Tonto was with him all the time?"

    Because he was the Lone [Texas] Ranger. Tonto, being a sidekick not a Texas Ranger, didn't count.

    Thanks. Poor Tonto was always the one to get knocked on the noggin as he rounded the corner of the homely shed that served a multitude of low-budget functions (desperadoes’ hideout, sheriff’s office, headquarters at the silver mine, etc., etc.). Frankly I don’t why he he stuck around.

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  154. Jack D says:
    @Spotted Toad
    The thing is, Huck Finn isn't just any work by a stale pale male, and it's not even just any great American work. It's the central articulation of the post-Civil War, liberal racial creed, that the freedman and the white man will bury the lash and join in friendship, as is permitted by the bounty of the American continent:

    Sometimes we'd have that whole river all to ourselves for the longest time. Yonder was the banks and the islands, across the water; and maybe a spark- which was a candle in a cabin window- and sometimes on the water you could see a spark or two- on a raft or a scow, you know; and maybe you could hear a fiddle or a song coming over from one of them crafts. It's lovely to live on a raft. We had the sky, up there, all speckled with stars, and we used to lay on our backs and look up at them, and discuss about whether they was made, or only just happened- Jim he allowed they was made, but I allowed they happened; I judged it would have took too long to make so many. Jim said the moon could a laid them; well, that looked kind of reasonable, so I didn't say nothing against it, because I've seen a frog lay most as many, so of course it could be done. We used to watch the stars that fell, too, and see them streak down. Jim allowed they'd got spoiled and was hove out of the nest.
     
    If you decide that the story of Huck Finn is *too racist* to any longer be performed, we're all really done for.

    ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
    ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
    ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.’

    (This BTW explains why for example “colored people” is bad but “people of color” is good – because the Left says so and they are master, but I digress).

    Collins-Hughes has no problem with the idea of Huck and Jim on a raft, but she would like Jim to be the captain.

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  155. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Langley
    " Why not just make it an interracial love story? It was always going there anyway."

    Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook .

    The Lone Ranger and Tanto.

    The Green Hornet and Kato.

    Fiedler claimed American fiction was based on homoerotic interracial relationships of men in the wilderness.

    And never forget the forbidden intersperses love of Batman and Robin.

    If you all drank enough coffee you could see it too.

    Tmmy and Lassie.

    Clarke and Lois. (Tranny issues)

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  156. Forbes says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "in my experience, women make (almost) no effort to understand men"

    Traditionally, women were better at understanding men than vice-versa.

    Traditionally, historically, it is probably the case that women were better at understanding men than vice-versa. And those women were likely called housewives and homemakers and mothers (a successful mating strategy). Today, women (single, working) make little effort to understand men. Mostly, they don’t have to. They’re told by the culture (and their fathers) they can do (aspire to) whatever they want, and not to settle for anything but the best (because they deserve it). This inflated self-worth results in a lack of self-awareness in how the sexes interact. It’s a strange double standard–they get independence of action and sexual liberation of the modern era, but count on male (provider) chauvinism of the older era that satisfies their every want and desire. And why not? They’re told they can have it all.

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  157. Forbes says:
    @guest
    That's true, partly because we're using "understand" here in a womanly sense. Their interest in gossip and talking about their feelings makes them shrewd folk-sociologists and -psychologists. But they're not very objective, and if the aim were to describe the opposite sex like we describe the bull weevil, men would do better.

    That being said, practical day to day knowledge of the opposite sex goes to woman traditionally because traditional woman would've starved without it. Her sexual strategy was to manipulate a man into sticking around, working for her and her children, protecting them. This has a two-fold effect. Firstly, a conwoman's gotta know her mark. Secondly, it's hard for men to get a handle on the sex that never stops lying.

    Things are different now, since women have become financially, legally and socially independent. They haven't stopped lying, but they probably have lost their hard edge of Noticing, which isn't inborn but comes with practice.

    Well stated.

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  158. Hibernian says:
    @syonredux
    "The Private History of a Campaign that Failed," by Mark Twain


    http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/phctf.html

    I’ve read that Twain went West because he was seriously worried about being executed for desertion.

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  159. @Anotheranon
    Also, "romantic friendship" between members of the same sex (passionate but not necessarily sexual) was a completely normal thing until quite recently.

    “Also, “romantic friendship” between members of the same sex (passionate but not necessarily sexual) was a completely normal thing until quite recently.”

    I’m old enough to remember the transition between businessman sharing a room during travel to a strict one man to a room rule after the gay revolution.

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    Back in the '80s, Steve Jobs insisted that his employees share hotel rooms at conventions and other professional meetings.

    The reason, according to Accidental Empires, was "to limit bed hopping, not to save money. Apple is a very sexy company, and Jobs wanted his people to lavish that libido on the products rather than on each other."

    http://dilbert.com/strip/1998-07-09

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIwhjp_c1d0
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  160. MB says: • Website

    Wait just one doggone NY minute.
    When the remake docudrama comes out with Al “The Snitch” Sharpton and Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson as the two cons, the Duke and the Dauphin, all will be well in SocJust LaLa Land and the fakestream media drama critics can go back down for their nap.

    On the other hand, when it finally dawns on the libprogs, that Al baby and Jesse are culturally appropriating evul ded whyte peeple, the caterwauling will be excruciating to cover up the obvious and ongoing duplicitous hypocrisy of our sainted betters..

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  161. Corvinus says:
    @Jack D
    That's fine , if the NY Times wants to admit that it is the semi-official organ of the left wing of the Democrat Party, a sort of American Pravda, I have no problem with that.

    But that's not how they sell themselves - outside of the editorial pages, they publicly maintain that devoted to unbiased factual coverage. You can argue that it's impossible to be unbiased, but in the past they at least made an effort or at least tried to cover their tracks. Now they barely even try to hide it anymore, but they still maintain that they are the purveyors of "real news" and Breibart, etc. are "fake news".

    “But that’s not how they sell themselves – outside of the editorial pages, they publicly maintain that devoted to unbiased factual coverage.”

    And so does Fox News and Breitbart. Your point? Of course, each author for these respective publications, along with the NYT, may have their own individual agenda separate from the agencies they represent.

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  162. Corvinus says:
    @oh its just me too
    global elite: davos men as defined by Sam Huntington

    I do read multiple sources, but as I pointed out in my post the global elite (davos men) are trying to control of the narrative again - thus for example aggregators like google news favor MSM, facebook routinely kills trending conservative stories, twitter bans conservative accounts but not far left ones, etc...

    “global elite: davos men as defined by Sam Huntington”

    That is one way of looking at it.

    “I do read multiple sources, but as I pointed out in my post the global elite (davos men) are trying to control of the narrative again – thus for example aggregators like google news favor MSM, facebook routinely kills trending conservative stories, twitter bans conservative accounts but not far left ones, etc…”

    Yes, Facebook and Twitter ban conservative stories. But are they not exercising their freedom of association that the right touts so highly? Are they not a private enterprise that has the liberty to make those business decisions, however short sighted in the long term?

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  163. @Robert Hume
    "Also, “romantic friendship” between members of the same sex (passionate but not necessarily sexual) was a completely normal thing until quite recently."

    I'm old enough to remember the transition between businessman sharing a room during travel to a strict one man to a room rule after the gay revolution.

    Back in the ’80s, Steve Jobs insisted that his employees share hotel rooms at conventions and other professional meetings.

    The reason, according to Accidental Empires, was “to limit bed hopping, not to save money. Apple is a very sexy company, and Jobs wanted his people to lavish that libido on the products rather than on each other.”

    http://dilbert.com/strip/1998-07-09

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  164. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux

    I’m sure there is a way to repurpose Huck as a DREAMer. Shocking really, if nobody has tried it yet. Aren’t “Citizen Kane” and “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” about the wonder-working power of immigration? We have already established that the Great Religions are all immigrants rights parables at their root
     
    Well, Finn is an Irish name.......And, as we all know, the Irish didn't become White until Kennedy was inaugurated....

    “Well, Finn is an Irish name…….And, as we all know, the Irish didn’t become White until Kennedy was inaugurated….”

    The Irish didn’t become White until Irish Americans like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity came out against open borders and did not say that Mexicans and Central Americans are the new Irish and Italians.

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  165. Dissident says:
    @janby
    I'm trying to wrap my mind around race-based angst concerning supporting roles versus starring roles because Jim is the one stand-out noble adult character in the book. Jim, a simple, uneducated, superstitious man, evolves into a "Christ-like" father figure whose gentleness and extraordinary powers of forgiveness play a pivotal role in Huck's moral development. Twain brilliantly marries the sublime and the simple in Jim to paint one of the most sympathetic noble characters in literature while simultaneously making Jim believable. An artistic tour-de-force!

    Bean-counting narcissistic sjws spend so much time counting Huck Finn's paragraphs and adding up its micro-aggressions, that they bypass/discount the highly nuanced contemptuous portrayal of white society in the book. And heaven forbid the poor schmuck who authors a role-reversed Huck Finn in which the white figure becomes the wise father figure and all the major black figures venal hucksters or worse.

    The “Dear White People” genre of black versus white literature and/or film is no artistic tour de force; it’s more an insufferable homage to banality.

    In answer, a white male is allowed to contribute to America’s cultural conversation because he knew how to write an explosively powerful nuanced portrayal that had an enduring legacy.

    Perhaps the best comment I’ve read in this thread so far. Brilliantly incisive. Surprised it got no response.

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