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From the NYT:

A White Church No More
By RUSSELL MOORE MAY 6, 2016

YEARS ago, members of a Southern Baptist church in suburban Birmingham, Ala., who couldn’t figure out why their church was in decline asked a friend of mine for advice. The area had been majority white during the violent years of Jim Crow. While civil rights protesters were beaten and children were blown apart by bombs, church members had said nothing. That would be “political,” church members said, and they wanted to stick to “simple gospel preaching.”

As the years marched on, the area became majority black. The congregation dwindled to a small band of elderly whites who now lived elsewhere. They tried, they said, to “reach out” to the church’s African-American neighbors, but couldn’t get them to join.

A canvass of the area would have told them that the church had already sent a message to those neighbors when it had stood silent in the face of atrocity. Those neighbors now had no interest in bailing out a congregation with a ministry too cowardly to speak up for righteousness when it had seemed too costly to do so.

As of this week, the nation faces a crazier election season than many of us ever imagined, with Donald J. Trump as the all-but-certain nominee of the Republican Party. Regardless of the outcome in November, his campaign is forcing American Christians to grapple with some scary realities that will have implications for years to come.

This election has cast light on the darkness of pent-up nativism and bigotry all over the country. There are not-so-coded messages denouncing African-Americans and immigrants; concern about racial justice and national unity is ridiculed as “political correctness.” Religious minorities are scapegoated for the sins of others, with basic religious freedoms for them called into question. Many of those who have criticized Mr. Trump’s vision for America have faced threats and intimidation from the “alt-right” of white supremacists and nativists who hide behind avatars on social media.

The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech did not envision that more than 50 years later “Go back to Africa” would be screamed at black protesters or that a major presidential candidate would tweet racially charged comments. Some American Christians may be tempted to ignore these issues, hoping they are just a wave of “political incorrectness” that will ebb in due time. That sort of moral silence shortchanges both our gospel and our future.

When many secular Americans think of evangelicals, they think of old, white precinct captains in Iowa or old, white television evangelists and their media empires. But that’s not what evangelical Christianity is. Evangelical Christianity is committed to conserving the orthodoxy of the church, is rooted in the authority of the Bible over every competing authority and has a zeal to see people come to Christ by being “born again” through faith in him.

The center of gravity for both orthodoxy and evangelism is not among Anglo suburban evangelicals but among African Anglicans and Asian Calvinists and Latin American Pentecostals. The vital core of American evangelicalism today can be found in churches that are multiethnic and increasingly dominated by immigrant communities.

The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin.

… American Christianity faces a test of whether we will identify as Christians first. Majorities come and majorities go. And sometimes a silent majority is too silent for its own good.

… American Christians who respond to cultural tumult with nostalgia fail to do this. They are blinding themselves to the injustices faced by their black and brown brothers and sisters in the supposedly idyllic Mayberry of white Christian America. That world was murder, sometimes literally, for minority evangelicals.

This has gospel implications not only for minorities and immigrants but for the so-called silent majority. A vast majority of Christians, on earth and in heaven, are not white and have never spoken English. A white American Christian who disregards nativist language is in for a shock. The man on the throne in heaven is a dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking “foreigner” who is probably not all that impressed by chants of “Make America great again.”

Russell Moore, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, is the author of “Onward: Engaging the Culture Without Losing the Gospel.”

 
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  1. Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/world/europe/britain-election-results.html

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did."

    The Liberals in the comments section of The New York Times just had an orgasm at London electing a Muslim for mayor.

    It's weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims? It must be a Cuck fantasy for Atheists to want to live in a society like Syria or Yemen.

    Atheists who love Muslims remind me of Feminazis who say there is a war on women, yet they only date thugs or bad boys and do not give nice guys the time of the day.

    , @This Is Our Home
    London will never have a non-Muslim Mayor again.

    The reasons are complex but only to be compounded over time.

    1. Muslims in Britain are perhaps the most politically organised community and vote at far higher rates than others. At least when engaged.

    2. Turnout in the mayoral election is quite low overall.

    This means that Khan required only 1.1 million votes to win in a landslide and that a majority of his votes could well have been Muslims. He probably could have won with just 1 mill.

    After all

    3. London has at least 1.2 million Muslims. Of whom 800 thousand are probably of voting age. I can guarantee that 650 thousand of that voted because they really do get out the vote and therefore that Khan received about 600 thousand Muslim votes.

    This makes him a shoe-in to win reelection in 4 years when the very fast growing Muslim population is even bigger. And it means that in 8 years when he has to step down Muslims will form a strong plurality and still vote as a 90 percent block. Getting that block to vote for you will require you to be Muslim and in a city as diverse as London there are no other significant blocks left to stand as a counter weight.

    Perhaps if house prices become even more ludicrous the Muslims will start to move to other parts of the country and once that builds momentum many will move but that is just a thought.

    To be honest, it is better that our politics reflects our demographics. It makes everything more honest and open. It is also good that the Mayor does not control immigration policy...
  2. He’s literally looking for a magic negro. Can’t parody that.

    • Replies: @merlin
    We already have one, but he is leaving in 7 months.
  3. I’m guessing the local temple is packed with all kinds…

  4. The only silver lining to this is that few Baptists or Protestants in general that I know have respect for Moore’s opinions. SBC membership and participation is driven by the money and organizational support they offer to churches much more than their theology or political/cultural views. And I’m speaking from CA where the membership is much more inclined to lean left culturally and politically. The main concern they express is that Moore’s fashionable Leftism will empty out their churches just like it has done to Methodists, Lutherans etc…

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Is Moore considered to be on the Left? He was one of the contributors to the notorious "Against Trump" hissy-fit at National Review. He was contemptible enough then; with this he sinks to a new depth.

    It's a great irony that the hysterical reaction to Trump among self-proclaimed "principled conservatives" has exposed how much they've always been in it for fame and money. I hope Moore got a thrill from his little NYT byline.
    , @I.W.
    "fashionable Leftism" says it - spot on.
  5. God-botherers getting Strange New Respect for inveighing against the correct demons– but Russell Moore is an amnesty zealot from way back. Because journalists no longer do backfill pieces, every predictable “diss” column originating from an unsurprising quarter is greeted as “further confirmation of an ominous social trend.” If the NYT powers became radical vegetarians they’d publish Adolf H op-eds in support of the right side of history. Get me 500 words from David Koch criticizing Trump, to the suburban libs that’ll be like, mind-blowing

    • Agree: slumber_j, Alec Leamas
  6. SFG says:

    “The man on the throne in heaven is a dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking “foreigner” who is probably not all that impressed by chants of “Make America great again.””

    That’s what always bugged me–he’s basically saying he knows what God looks like. Sounds vaguely blasphemous, but I’m not that well versed in these things.

    Oh, you ought to check this one out:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-pac-formed-to-pressure-white-males-not-to-run-for-office/

    I thought y’all were joking, but…

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    They should be careful for what they wish for. Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism posted a good rant titled "Who will pay for everything when the white people are gone"? http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.ca/2016/05/who-will-pay-for-everything-when-white.html
    , @Glaivester

    That’s what always bugged me–he’s basically saying he knows what God looks like. Sounds vaguely blasphemous, but I’m not that well versed in these things.
     
    I suppose the idea is that he has an inkling of what God looked like when he became a human being - the reference is obviously specifically thinking of God incarnated as Jesus. Yet, how dark-skinned would Jesus really be? The best people to look at for an idea would probably be Mizrahi Jews - and Dan Hedaya is white enough to play Richard Nixon.
  7. I stopped reading by the second paragraph discussing Trump. Obnoxious.

    In related news, I am surrounded by liberal female relatives waiting for my dad to get out of femur surgery. They are united in the belief that the violence at the Trump rally in Chicago was Trump supporters.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    My mother-in-law blamed the California fiasco on Trump's "inflammatory" rhetoric. I asked her what he said that was so bad. Her reply, "He called all Mexican Americans rapists."

    That's our world.
    , @anon
    Most people are operating on the impression of reality they get from the media not actual reality - that's how the media can herd millions.

    It's all a con trick - very powerful and very fragile at the same time.
    , @merlin
    They are united in the belief that the violence at the Trump rally in Chicago was Trump supporters.
    >>>> That's why they call themselves jackasses.
  8. At least Russell Moore seems willing to wait until I die of natural causes before he consigns me to Eternal Damnation.

    The next six months are going to be a hell of a ride. As Trump rises in the polls, the visceral, spit-spraying anger will get worse and worse.

    Anybody who doubts Trump’s patriotism should chew on this: I suspect Trump’s chances of death or serious injury between now and the election are greater than police officers, firefighters or military personnel overseas. He is literally laying his life on the line for his country.

    • Replies: @Cracker
    I think there have been attempts on him already. But you are correct, it is going to get worse. And as Steve wrote about that guy in Europe, well, he had it coming, right? Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Gonna get nasty...
    , @PistolPete
    If Trump is killed, I feel there will be a Revolution. Or at least some ugliness... But that's been said many times, and Americans are incredibly Cucked nowadays. We will see...
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I've been concerned for Trump and his family ever since his campaign took off. The anti-Trump forces are beating the bushes, hoping they can inflame enough loons so that sooner or later one of these will make a successful attempt on Trump's life. This NYT oped is just an example of the least hate-filled material. If these vile specimens of humanity succeed they will be the first to shed crocodile tears at the "hatred poisoning American politics". They will also inevitably use Trump's demise as an argument for further gun control.
  9. Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only. Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Down with Trump! Down with white supremacy and privilege! Up with tolerance and diversity!

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    Another (or the same) one-post-wonder troll.
    , @Rainbow Cloud
    Go away.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Jesus was a Jew. What Israel's (and American Jews') stance on nationalism and immigration for Israel.

    Are Jews evil? Are Jews intolerant and anti-diversity.

    You, sir, are a child. And a spoiled one at that.

    , @Priss Factor
    I know you is trolling... but...

    Christianity is a strange kind of religion.

    It is both nativist and anti-nativist.

    It arose in a time of Jewish resistance against the Roman Empire. Collaborationist Jews just went along with the Romans. Patriotic Jews wanted to drive the Romans out by any means necessary.

    Jesus was more a patriotic Jew and certainly not a collaborationist Jew. He respected the patriotic Jews who were idealistic and willing to die for God and their land.
    He had no respect for the collaborationists who just went along to enrich themselves and live well and enjoy privilege.
    But He fell out of favor with the patriots as well because He thought the Jews should just leave it up to God. The real battle was a spiritual battle. And vengeance would be God's.
    If Jews were to be very good and give up their wealth and choose holy poverty and prove their goodness in the eyes of God, then God would take care of things. God would send terror upon the bad folks and smite them. According to John, God would even send the 666 beask that was scarier than Godzilla and Mechagodzilla combined.

    Jesus saw armed resistance as futile since Romans were so much more powerful in arms. Also, too many key Jews were collaborators. And Romans appointed Herod as king of the Jews. And Herod was a master builder and a mighty tyrant in his own right.

    So, how could Jews win? Jesus relied on God. If Jews were really really good, God would take care of it. And for this to happen, Jesus had to be sacrificed as a the Perfect Man. He would not resist the torture and pain. He would take the whupping(though prolly not as horrible as in Gibson's movie) and then die on the Cross. And then God would open up the heavens, send the angels of vengeance(like in Raiders of the Lost Ark), and kick some butt. But it didn't happen that way.
    Since God didn't punish the evildoers when Jesus got nailed to the Cross, the idea was that it will happen some day. Who knows when?
    The whole idea began as revenge for the Jews against Romans, but since the religion outlasted the Roman Empire, the revelation about Judgement Day took on new meanings. Ironically, even though Jesus wanted to see God smash pagan Rome, the Rome that got smashed was Christian, and the smashing was done by pagans.
    Go figure.

    Anyway, Christianity began as a religion of resistance. It was to resist the Roman imperialists and the Jewish collaborators. But unlike Zealots who wanted to be like the Viet Cong, Jesus was more into what Gandhi pulled later. Gandhi had numbers on his side. Jesus thought He had God on His side.

    St. Paul was a collaborator who used to whup patriotic Jews for the Romans. But he had a change of heart. And he came to serve Jesus. And he wanted to win over Jews, but Jews told him to get lost.

    This is when Christianity, which began as a Jewish-nativist religion(and was maintained as such by Peter and his followers), became an anti-nativist religion. Disappointed by his fellow Jews--who also kicked his ass a few times--, Paul decided to turn it into a universal religion for all folks, and to make it palatable to non-Jews, his version didn't require men to slice off their weenie skins. (That sure helped in spreading the faith.) Paul turned against the Jews and even railed against them. He appealed to Greeks, Romans, Syrians, and other peoples. And when he went among Jews, he favored exile Jews in non-Jewish lands.

    But Romans didn't like it. Romans were for pagan universalism of Roman rule.
    It was political universalism that placed huge areas under Roman authority. Religiously, Romans let others worship their own gods.

    Romans didn't like the idea of a new kind of universalism, a spiritual one based on the God of the Jews. Even as Paul appealed to Romans and excoriated Jews, Romans found him bothersome and dangerous.

    It was spiritual universalism vs political universalism. Eventually, of course, the two merged under Constantine.

    Christianity that developed was dual-in-nature. It was both anti-imperialist and pro-imperialist. To the extent that its originator was a Jew who resisted the Roman imperialists and was killed by them, Christianity was an anti-Roman-imperialist religion. Also, a kind of 'slave religion' that morally favored the wretched-of-the-earth, it favored the oppressed over the oppressors.

    But on the other hand, Christianity could not have spread so easily if not for Roman Empire's vast cross-circuitry of roads and trade routes. Paul traveled of foot and by sea all over. He was able to do this cuz of Pax Romana. Also, his Roman citizenship saved him a bunch of times. So, even as he was spreading the faith that originated as anti-imperialism, his very means of spreading it was made possible by the existence of the Empire. In a way, Paul was standing up to Roman power and Roman way. But he wasn't pure of heart like Jesus. He could be diplomatic, savvy, political, cunning. He knew how to save his own skin. He worked like a salesman. Unlike Jesus, he didn't seek martyrdom. He tried to avoid it as much as possible.
    He knew there was much to gain from Roman power, Roman laws, Roman military power. After all, without Roman imperialism, there would just be chaos and violence all around.

    Furthermore, Christianity had its own seeds of imperialism. If indeed Jesus is the Son of One and Only God and if His truth is the only true truth, it means that the entire world must be made to accept His truth. That was justification for imperialism for the Romans and later the Europeans. Indeed, even US slavery was justified along the lines of turning black heathens into Aunt Esthers. And Spanish justified their conquest of the New World on the basis of spreading the faith.

    So, Christianity spread via imperialism even though it originated as an act of anti-imperialism. Not only did Christians make a pact with mighty military power(beginning with Romans) but the innate core of Christianity is a kind of spiritual imperialism(very much like Islam that came later). To save the world, the world has to be conquered, and all must be made to share in the faith in the Lord.

    Indeed, Moore overlooks the fact that the Christianization of much of the world is the product of Western Imperialism. He also fails to understand that his hope for more Christians-of-color in the West is the product of reverse-imperialism, the invasion of the West by darkie hordes(most of whom will be converted more to rap music and thug culture than religion).

    I reject such imperialism and globalism. Imperialism had value long ago when the West did have much to teach the world. Also, there was a time when so many peoples were isolated and had much to gain by being shaken out of their doldrums into the international system dominated by the West, the most advanced folks on earth.

    But now, globalism threatens all nations, all cultures, all traditions. It is like a hurricane that threatens the integrity and identity of every nation and civilization.
    And for every new Christian convert created by globalism, there are 1000 new fans of Miley Cyrus and other such filth. Besides, the main faith spread by global West is now homomania.

    Let non-Christian peoples keep their own cultures and identities. And let Europeans and Americans keep theirs.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    I'm glad someone finally agrees with me that the Obergefell decision was white-supremacist.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Before about six months ago we had intelligent trolls, ...
    , @Tracy
    And that's why I'm glad to be a Catholic, a member of a religion that has Tradition and the Magisterium along with Sacred Scripture instead of "sola scriptura." The Catholic Church teaches (in spite of what many in today's Vatican wish, including the Pope himself) that subsidiarity is key to political thinking. Catholic teaching doesn't gibe with what Steve calls "leapfrogging loyalties" (see The Morality of Everyday Life, from Culture Wars.

    There's a reason why God dealt with the Tower of Babel as He did.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    If you were a Christian you w2ould be familiar with the context of "pearls before swine".
  10. not entirely OT:

    Trump responds to Miss Lindsay’s criticism:

    DONALD J. TRUMP RESPONSE TO LINDSEY GRAHAM
    “I fully understand why Lindsey Graham cannot support me. If I got beaten as badly as I beat him, and all the other candidates he endorsed, I would not be able to give my support either. Every time I see Lindsey Graham spew hate during interviews I ask why the media never questions how I single-handedly destroyed his hapless run for President. As a candidate who did not receive 1% in his own state – compared to my victory at nearly 40% with many others in the race – he has zero credibility. He was a poor representative and an embarrassment to the great people of South Carolina. Judging by the incompetent way he ran his campaign, it is easy to see why his military strategies have failed so badly — we can’t even beat ISIS!
    While I will unify the party, Lindsey Graham has shown himself to be beyond rehabilitation. And like the voters who rejected him, so will I!”
    Donald J. Trump

    DONALD J. TRUMP RESPONSE TO LINDSEY GRAHAM"I fully understand why Lindsey Graham cannot support me. If I got beaten as…

    Posted by Donald J. Trump on Friday, May 6, 2016

    This is incredible; can you imagine Romney or W having the nutsacular fortitude to respond to attacks like this. Finally a politician who doesn’t say “thank you sir may I have another” in response to insane attacks from the Left.

    meanwhile Grahamnesty is looking worse for wear:

    are those Kaposi lesions breaking out on his nose and temple?

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Bravo, Trump. Notice that his pointed slights vs Graham are visual, "Every time I SEE Graham"; "'...it's easy to SEE why his military strategies failed so badly". Trump's personality, as I contended on an earlier post, is very visual. Probably north of 85% visual is how he expresses himself which would tend to be pretty high.

    In other words, for those who doubt that Trump's Wall is mere bluster, or campaign fodder for the booboisie out in the hinterlands, you're gonna be in for a big surprise. The MSM has consistently underestimated him, and so too are people like Russell Moore, the NYT's religious man of the moment who appears to be slightly obsessed with the N word, Nativism.

    , @Daniel H
    >>Lindsey Graham has shown himself to be beyond rehabilitation. ....

    But we haven't tried reparative therapy yet. Ooops. That's been outlawed.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Hear, hear! There are many politicians I hold in contempt, but at the far end of the spectrum, the one that fills me with an almost unbearable, visceral loathing is Lindsey Graham.
  11. @Paul Mendez
    At least Russell Moore seems willing to wait until I die of natural causes before he consigns me to Eternal Damnation.

    The next six months are going to be a hell of a ride. As Trump rises in the polls, the visceral, spit-spraying anger will get worse and worse.

    Anybody who doubts Trump's patriotism should chew on this: I suspect Trump's chances of death or serious injury between now and the election are greater than police officers, firefighters or military personnel overseas. He is literally laying his life on the line for his country.

    I think there have been attempts on him already. But you are correct, it is going to get worse. And as Steve wrote about that guy in Europe, well, he had it coming, right? Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Gonna get nasty…

  12. The New York Times believes in the existence of a hell and a heaven? I thought everybody who worked for that rag was a Godless Atheist.

  13. Brother Moore is a “baptist” like our muslim-in-chief is.

  14. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Moore looks like a tootkin. He seems married with children, but just look at him. He looks fruitier than Marco Rubberio.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    He reminds me of of the smarmy and firmly-closeted Reverend Steve Newlin from True Blood.
    , @merlin
    His sharp angular teeth are intimidating me.
    , @artichoke
    Perhaps not surprisingly, he shares a number of facial features with Paul Ryan. That's not a compliment.
  15. @Anonymous
    Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only. Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Down with Trump! Down with white supremacy and privilege! Up with tolerance and diversity!

    Another (or the same) one-post-wonder troll.

    • Replies: @TWS
    Same
    , @Alfa158
    Yep, the deranged, brain-dead style seems to be the same on multiple fake names.
    Unz doesn't use one of the registry services like Disqus or Google, perhaps so that posters can't be easily reverse traced and end up in a dossier. As a result any troll can create as many monikers and fictitious e-mail addresses as they want.
  16. Best Sailer title ever?

    • Agree: TWS
  17. @Anonymous
    Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only. Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Down with Trump! Down with white supremacy and privilege! Up with tolerance and diversity!

    Go away.

  18. ….Aaaaaaand this is why I no longer consider myself a Southern Baptist.

  19. @AndrewR
    I stopped reading by the second paragraph discussing Trump. Obnoxious.

    In related news, I am surrounded by liberal female relatives waiting for my dad to get out of femur surgery. They are united in the belief that the violence at the Trump rally in Chicago was Trump supporters.

    My mother-in-law blamed the California fiasco on Trump’s “inflammatory” rhetoric. I asked her what he said that was so bad. Her reply, “He called all Mexican Americans rapists.”

    That’s our world.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Your mother-in-law, like the rest of the democrats/leftist, is summoning the very demon she wants to marginalize, dismiss with extreme prejudice and, yes, I will write it, demonize.

    Trump is a mild version of what that kind of dishonesty has produced. Those who follow Trump, should this continue, will make Trump's controversial positions seem like salt-free rolled oats for breakfast.
    , @Maj. Kong
    It is a trope of liberalism, to deny the moral agency of anyone who is not a straight, white male.

    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for being a paragon of "incivility", which somehow led to Rep. Giffords being shot by a mentally deranged man.

    Rush Limbaugh was blamed by Bill Clinton in a speech for inciting McVeigh to the OKC bombing.

    It's quite remarkable that Romney got 59% of white voters, when every single piece of the cultural establishment is on the left.
    , @Nico
    Interestingly, "Mother-in-law" is an anagram for "woman Hitler."
  20. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    “The center of gravity for both orthodoxy and evangelism is not among Anglo suburban evangelicals but among African Anglicans and Asian Calvinists and Latin American Pentecostals. The vital core of American evangelicalism today can be found in churches that are multiethnic and increasingly dominated by immigrant communities.”

    O-kay!!

    It’s all about consumers for Christ. We need more immigrants to buy Evanjelly horsedung.

    I guess evanjellies are okay to NYT as long as they push for open borders.

    This is why Christianity is dangerous. Its primary identity is ‘Christian’ than ‘racial or national brethren’.

    Did the fool ever ask why the community became majority black? Cuz of black crime and violence, surely. Indeed, it was fear of black crime and violence that accounted for white southerners resistance to so-called Civil Rights Movement.
    Jews certainly seem to understand why West Bank needs harsh measures to deal with Pallies.

    He talks of bombings as if tons of Negroes died in them. Just a handful did.
    Many more whites were killed at the hands of black thugs. But no mention of that.

    MLK was a thug who whored around and beat up women and laughed about it. Some man of peace.

    How often do you hear “go back to africa”? white folks are too scared of negroes to say such stuff.

    If anything Trump and his supporters are saying LEAVE OTHER NATIONS ALONE.

    • Replies: @palerider1861
    Fantastic, Polly!

    You just said everything I was thinking --- concise and to the point, you knocked it out of the park!

    I discovered a new word the other day: contumacious.

    To the extent that Moore represents mainstream Christian thinking, I will endeavor to be as consciously contumacious as currently possible.
    , @Harry Savannah
    Like the rest of your comment your anti-Christian bigotry is just boring sophistry. Trump won the evangelical vote - 2 to 1, and that over a "bona fide" evangelical in Cruz. Dig deep and find a particle of fair-mindedness within bigot, or drop out altogether. We don't need another White with a negro emote-a-minute mentality.
  21. @Anonymous
    Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only. Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Down with Trump! Down with white supremacy and privilege! Up with tolerance and diversity!

    Jesus was a Jew. What Israel’s (and American Jews’) stance on nationalism and immigration for Israel.

    Are Jews evil? Are Jews intolerant and anti-diversity.

    You, sir, are a child. And a spoiled one at that.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    If Jesus were alive now, he'd probably be an activist in Shalom Achshav.

    (If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)
    , @Wyrd
    Jesus was a Jew.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6vnsrmmUZ4
  22. @boogerbently
    Another (or the same) one-post-wonder troll.

    Same

  23. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    White folks need Covenantism.

    Like Jews, they need their own unique Covenant with God.

    Be a prophet, seek it, and you shall find it.

    • Replies: @Niccolo Salo
    "White folks need Covenantism.

    Like Jews, they need their own unique Covenant with God.

    Be a prophet, seek it, and you shall find it."

    In short: reject Christ.

    No thanks....whites have been doing that everywhere with disastrous consequences.
    , @Andrew
    "White folks need Covenantism. Like Jews, they need their own unique Covenant with God. Be a prophet, seek it, and you shall find it."

    We have it already. It's called America. The Covenant was made by thousands and millions as they passed over the sea in faith like Noah and Moses and took possession of their inheritance in the land.

    All you have to do is open your eyes to find what they bequeathed to us. It's all around us and is already ours because they made it and we inherited it.

    All around me are towns and houses and schools and Churches my people built, fields they cleared and planted, roads they blazed and graded, and factories they created; governed in order and harmony by institutions they founded and laws they wrote in the light of faith.

    The Covenant was made when our ancestors stood up as free men, took on responsibility for their own, and swore an oath to God promising fidelity in exchange for a new beginning in a new country.

    Vote Trump to renew it and keep it.
  24. Let’s remember, Russell Moore was part of the Evangelical Immigration Table (EIT), a project of Soros’ National Immigration Forum. The Evangelical Immigration Table was funded partly by Paul Singer (Rubio’s money man), by which I mean he paid for their ads promoting amnesty during the Gang of Eight battle, which was pretty much all that the EIT did.

    • Replies: @jesse helms think-alike
    Thanks. It's amazing how often it is true that in order to understand some otherwise inexplicable act you need to follow the money.

    Recall Limbaugh and other conservative talk radio thought leaders being "asked" to get onboard with supporting Gang of Eight amnesty.

    When confronted on this the universal response was some variation of "So what?"
    , @Clifford Brown
    Bingo. Churches are simply going where the money is, both in terms of big donors, but also new membership.

    Religious charities that would otherwise be facing declining endowments have become de facto arms of the federal government. Taking in millions in federal grants in order to settle and care for hundreds of thousands of immigrants. It is a brilliant way to create astroturf support for open border policies.
    , @rod1963
    I see now, Moore is one of those venomous Liberation Theologians/Marxist thugs in disguise that have destroyed churches across the country by infesting them with a dose of PC/MC and anti-White, anti-Christian thinking.
  25. And this is why you have separate countries. I am tired of arguing. I want a divorce.

    • Agree: Forbes
  26. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Hell, eh?

    Oh well…

  27. @Glaivester
    Let's remember, Russell Moore was part of the Evangelical Immigration Table (EIT), a project of Soros' National Immigration Forum. The Evangelical Immigration Table was funded partly by Paul Singer (Rubio's money man), by which I mean he paid for their ads promoting amnesty during the Gang of Eight battle, which was pretty much all that the EIT did.

    Thanks. It’s amazing how often it is true that in order to understand some otherwise inexplicable act you need to follow the money.

    Recall Limbaugh and other conservative talk radio thought leaders being “asked” to get onboard with supporting Gang of Eight amnesty.

    When confronted on this the universal response was some variation of “So what?”

  28. As a Catholic, Steve probably doesn’t realize how jarring it is for us good ole Scots-Irish boys that a Southern Baptist leader would go all in on globalism.

    During the Reagan-Bush era, Southern Baptist churches were about as patriotic as you could get outside Mormons.

    At vacation Bible school, kids pledged to the US flag and something called the “Christian flag” (a Protestant thing).

    During the 1980s, the black National Baptist Convention was interested in joining the Southern Baptist Convention. If Moore likes diversity so much, why doesn’t he pursue that?

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2205&dat=19810704&id=D-ZfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RQMGAAAAIBAJ&pg=1126,93451&hl=en

  29. Jesus’ human nature was taken from the flesh of his mother Mary, who was a lineal descendant of the House of David. David’s appearance is described in the First Book of Kings (which the Protestants erroneously call the First Book of Samuel) as “ruddy.” First Kings 16:12 (Douey-Rheims Bible) reads:

    He sent therefore and brought him. Now he was ruddy and beautiful to behold, and of a comely face. And the Lord said: Arise, and anoint him, for this is he.

    Now the word ‘ruddy’ in this context means red-haired or fair-haired, leading to the conclusion that David was of a generally Caucasian-like appearance. Michelangelo’s famous statue of David, although it was contemplated rather than copied from models, is probably pretty close to his actual appearance.

    Since the House of David was descended from this ruddy or fair-haired man, it stands to reason that Mary was fair herself. And since Jesus’ human nature was taken entirely from her, He could not help but be the spitting image of His mother.

    The Shroud of Turin gives a height for Jesus of about 5’10” (rather tall for the time period) and generally Caucasoid facial features. Additionally, the earliest extant frescoes depicting Jesus, dating from the II Century A.D., are strikingly similar to the depictions of the Renaissance Masters. And since the very concept of “whiteness,” let alone white supremacy, was unheard of at the time, the artists had no reason to lie.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The problem with this theory is that the lineage of David led to Joseph, not Mary.
    , @Pseudonymic Handle
    I've seen lots of orthodox christian palestinians that still live in Nazareth and Bethlehem who are the best approximation of the population during roman times and all of them were white skinned and lots had blue or green eyes.
    They looked more like greeks or italians then egyptians.
    , @donut
    What is the point of this post ?
  30. Glen Beck and the NYT seem close theologically. Make of that what you wish. The sad thing is the number of church-going types who look to either source for religious guidance. I doubt there’s much overlap between NYT and Beck fans so this weepy globalist stuff gets out far and wide.

  31. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    That dark-skinned Aramaic guy who is all about love will roast us in hell forever for voting for Trump.

    Wow, who can do without such love?

  32. Moore has been on the anti-Trump bandwagon since pretty much day one.

    • Replies: @Elvis Nixon
    Russell Moore hated Cruz even more. Russell Moore apparently thought Rubio was the obvious choice for Evangelical Christians.

    Sanity in the Southern Baptist Convention can be found with Albert Mohler.

    Mohler's podcast stands in stark contrast to Moore's Soros funded bleatings.
  33. Ah, I read this and thought Sailer. white folks better just step aside to get on the right side of Jesus history.

  34. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    http://www.alan.com/2016/05/06/mayor-says-potholes-can-be-filled-with-prayer/

    Lawdy!!! Glory be!!!

    I think the dark one’s among us and cut our tax burden by filling potholes with prayers.

  35. Clearly if the term “self-hating” can apply to Jews or gays who dissent from the identity-politics line, then Russell Moore is a “self-hating” Christian.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Read between the lines, it just the same old Cultural Marxism. Any concern about Le Grand Remplacement is dismissed with a handwave, when it would be called colonization in any other culture.

    Moore is a white man who believes his own people's existence is evil, and therefore is trying to bring it about in hopes of redemption. Arguably going farther than just "signaling" virtue.

    Of course, like a certain Mr. Tim Wise, I will have to wonder about where exactly he lives...
  36. For a long time, evangelical religious denominations seemed immune to the politicization that infected mainline Protestantism and the Catholic church in America, but that time is over.

    Now we will see if evangelical churches start to shrink like their counterparts have over the last generation.

  37. Still, whitey did create Jesus, whatever color he was. You gotta live with the things you create. Dance with the one that brought ya. Tolerate the ones you brought.

  38. This entire nonsensical rant gets funnier when you imagine how he typed it up for Twitter first.

  39. While civil rights protesters were beaten and children were blown apart by bombs, church members had said nothing. That would be “political,” church members said, and they wanted to stick to “simple gospel preaching.”

    He is criticizing Christians who did not want to be political. But Christians who became political are public enemy number one to the Left. In fact after the Roe v. Wade decision and other attempts to de-Christianize the nation, the morals and values voters became a strong voting segment. I recall the creation of the Moral Majority back in the 1980s. And ever since I hear liberals moan and groan that Christians are trying to impose their religion, or that the GOP and Christians are trying to inject religion into politics.

    Now this joker comes along and complains Christians weren’t political earlier. They’re political, they are just mostly for Trump which makes this dude unhappy.

  40. There are few people whom I genuinely hate. But, as a White Southerner, I really do loathe this man, who is always looking to receive a few pats on the head by spitting on his ancestors.

    I know many Southern Baptists. Russell Moore’s opinions are the opposite of their own, and he knows this. Hence an essay like this, for which I suspect he was paid in pieces of silver.

    • Agree: RamonaQ
  41. I used to date a girl whose dad would let you start getting to know him by saying “I’ve been a part of three cults in my life: West Point, the Masons, and Amway. He explained to me the real root of Christian Zionism as inhering in some second-rate commentary that got stuck in some unneeded translation of the bible which now bizarrely dominates Evangelical understanding of what is and should be going on in the world. It was interesting stuff and is still interesting because only the Masons know how to track that particular translation of the bible down. Go ahead and try. Go ahead and try to find anywhere in the Bible it talks about fucking zionism. As everyone who does the reading right should know, the question believers should care about now is only the time lag between when the rainbow angel swears to God he knows and accepts his fate, the time lag between that and when the seventh angel sounds. Because the third woe cometh quickly.

    Anyone ever consider what six six six at speed sounds like? It sounds like it sounds in all the tongues across Christendom.

    • Replies: @biz

    Go ahead and try to find anywhere in the Bible it talks about fucking zionism.
     
    "A hungry person dreams of eating but wakes up still hungry. A thirsty person dreams of drinking but is still faint from thirst when morning comes. So it will be with your enemies, with those who attack Mount Zion."
    - Isaiah 29:8

    "Sing aloud, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel! Rejoice and exult with all your heart, O daughter of Jerusalem! The Lord has taken away the judgments against you; he has cleared away your enemies."
    - Zephaniah 3:14

    And that's Old Testament, neglecting the stuff in Revelations etc. that many interpret as Israel should be restored to make way for the second coming.

  42. “The area had been majority white during the violent years of Jim Crow.”

    “As the years marched on, the area became majority black.”

    If the area was violent when it was majority White, it must be violence on steroids now that the area is majority Black.

    “The center of gravity for both orthodoxy and evangelism is not among Anglo suburban evangelicals but among African Anglicans and Asian Calvinists and Latin American Pentecostals. The vital core of American evangelicalism today can be found in churches that are multiethnic and increasingly dominated by immigrant communities.”

    If the majority of American Evangelicals are not White, why do most of them vote Republican in presidential elections? Hildabeast sure as hell is not going to win their vote in November. Evangelicals are to The GOP like what African Americans are to The DNC, when it comes to loyal voting base.

    “The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin.”

    Only? So the next Billy Graham will speak less English than Jeb’s wife Columba? Talk about lack of assimilation on the part of America’s future immigrants.

    “The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech did not envision that more than 50 years later “Go back to Africa” would be screamed at black protesters”

    I am sure The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King did not envision that more than 50 years later on average about 5,000 thousand Black men in this country are murdered each year by other Black men. I am sure he didn’t envision that more than 50 years later all of the streets named after him would be located in underclass thug neighborhoods.

    “American Christianity faces a test of whether we will identify as Christians first.”

    The majority of Black Americans do not identify as Christians first, most of them identify as Blacks first. Your average Black American Christian will feel more tribal kinship with a Black Muslim over a White Christian, that is why Christian churches tend to be racially segregated in The U.S.

    “They are blinding themselves to the injustices faced by their black and brown brothers and sisters in the supposedly idyllic Mayberry of white Christian America. That world was murder, sometimes literally, for minority evangelicals.”

    If White Christian America is murder, than Black Christian America is ISIS controlled Syria and Iraq. The majority of Black churches are located in very violent neighborhoods. A high percentage of Black churches tend to be located in neighborhoods where the Comcast cable and internet installers are afraid to step foot in.

    “The man on the throne in heaven is a dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking “foreigner” who is probably not all that impressed by chants of “Make America great again.”

    Why does God have to be a man? Sexist much. And the war on women continues.

  43. Russell Moore:
    …old, white precinct captains in Iowa or old, white television evangelists and their media empires. But that’s not what evangelical Christianity is.

    Your old white mugs, eeeew!

    The Bible calls on Christians to bear one another’s burdens. White American Christians who respond to cultural tumult with nostalgia fail to do this.

    Your old white money, MOAR MOAR MOAR

  44. What is wrong with the NY Times? Everyone knows that God is a 5’7″ yellow skinned foreigner who speaks Korean and who does not want tariffs placed on goods made in the Republic of Korea. A guy from the Unification Church said so.

  45. Nothing good ever happens on Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. –

    http://abc7ny.com/news/2-arrested-in-murder-of-njit-student/1326736/

    • Replies: @fish

    "......Micalizzi was a second-year mechanical engineering major on the dean's list at NJIT. He is originally from Freehold Township in Monmouth County."
     
    Tally of the evenings festivities....

    SOCIETAL FINAL SCORE -

    - 1 FUTURE MECHANICAL ENGINEER

    +2 DINDU NUFFINS @ 90K/YR IN THE PENAL SYSTEM

    Sounds like everything is working just fine "Fundamentally Transformed" wise.
  46. @AndrewR
    I stopped reading by the second paragraph discussing Trump. Obnoxious.

    In related news, I am surrounded by liberal female relatives waiting for my dad to get out of femur surgery. They are united in the belief that the violence at the Trump rally in Chicago was Trump supporters.

    Most people are operating on the impression of reality they get from the media not actual reality – that’s how the media can herd millions.

    It’s all a con trick – very powerful and very fragile at the same time.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Fragile? I don't know. People believe what they want to about Trump. If someone hates him enough then possibly no amount of evidence could cause them not to blame him and his supporters for everything.
  47. @DDosCapitol
    The only silver lining to this is that few Baptists or Protestants in general that I know have respect for Moore's opinions. SBC membership and participation is driven by the money and organizational support they offer to churches much more than their theology or political/cultural views. And I'm speaking from CA where the membership is much more inclined to lean left culturally and politically. The main concern they express is that Moore's fashionable Leftism will empty out their churches just like it has done to Methodists, Lutherans etc...

    Is Moore considered to be on the Left? He was one of the contributors to the notorious “Against Trump” hissy-fit at National Review. He was contemptible enough then; with this he sinks to a new depth.

    It’s a great irony that the hysterical reaction to Trump among self-proclaimed “principled conservatives” has exposed how much they’ve always been in it for fame and money. I hope Moore got a thrill from his little NYT byline.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    What this farce has convinced me of is that's how every ideology ends up. "Principled conservatives" are making the short, happy journey to social democracy and cultural Marxism.

    Trump is offering a pragmatic, nationalist conservatism which is associated with classic nation-state politics.

  48. Wow, the grievance industry is reeling right now. If Trump is elected, will their gravy train end?

  49. There are not-so-coded messages denouncing African-Americans and immigrants;

    Can anyone produce a single quote anywhere in which Trump denounces African-Americans? Harbinger of the campaign where Left will simply make up stuff about Trump.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    He dwnounced BLM protesters which apparently means he hates all blacks
    , @Lovernios X
    Because those messages were only "not-so coded" Moore was able to decipher them. If they were fully coded he wouldn't have had a clue. Need to tell the Trump camp to increase their coding level up to 11. That should fix the problem.
  50. @jesse helms think-alike
    not entirely OT:

    Trump responds to Miss Lindsay's criticism:

    DONALD J. TRUMP RESPONSE TO LINDSEY GRAHAM
    "I fully understand why Lindsey Graham cannot support me. If I got beaten as badly as I beat him, and all the other candidates he endorsed, I would not be able to give my support either. Every time I see Lindsey Graham spew hate during interviews I ask why the media never questions how I single-handedly destroyed his hapless run for President. As a candidate who did not receive 1% in his own state - compared to my victory at nearly 40% with many others in the race - he has zero credibility. He was a poor representative and an embarrassment to the great people of South Carolina. Judging by the incompetent way he ran his campaign, it is easy to see why his military strategies have failed so badly --- we can’t even beat ISIS!
    While I will unify the party, Lindsey Graham has shown himself to be beyond rehabilitation. And like the voters who rejected him, so will I!"
    Donald J. Trump


    https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10157012824830725

    This is incredible; can you imagine Romney or W having the nutsacular fortitude to respond to attacks like this. Finally a politician who doesn't say "thank you sir may I have another" in response to insane attacks from the Left.

    meanwhile Grahamnesty is looking worse for wear:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChzWEksWwAA0mxl.jpg

    are those Kaposi lesions breaking out on his nose and temple?

    Bravo, Trump. Notice that his pointed slights vs Graham are visual, “Every time I SEE Graham”; “‘…it’s easy to SEE why his military strategies failed so badly”. Trump’s personality, as I contended on an earlier post, is very visual. Probably north of 85% visual is how he expresses himself which would tend to be pretty high.

    In other words, for those who doubt that Trump’s Wall is mere bluster, or campaign fodder for the booboisie out in the hinterlands, you’re gonna be in for a big surprise. The MSM has consistently underestimated him, and so too are people like Russell Moore, the NYT’s religious man of the moment who appears to be slightly obsessed with the N word, Nativism.

  51. Russell Moore, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention…

    *AHEM*

    “This Baptist Charity Is Being Paid Hundreds of Millions to Shelter Child Migrants” http://time.com/3066459/unaccompanied-minor-immigration-border/

    Since December, BCFS (Baptist Child and Family Services) has received more than $280 million in federal grants to operate these shelters, according to government records. On July 7, two days before Dinnin met Obama in Dallas, the Department of Health and Human Services awarded BCFS $190,707,505 in a single grant.

    The federal grant money for sheltering unaccompanied children, provided by HHS’s Administration for Children and Families, has so far totaled $671 million during the 2014 fiscal year. BCFS has received 40% of those funds, making it the largest recipient of money disbursed to contractors to temporarily house unaccompanied children…

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Follow the money.
  52. @Priss Factor
    White folks need Covenantism.

    Like Jews, they need their own unique Covenant with God.

    Be a prophet, seek it, and you shall find it.

    “White folks need Covenantism.

    Like Jews, they need their own unique Covenant with God.

    Be a prophet, seek it, and you shall find it.”

    In short: reject Christ.

    No thanks….whites have been doing that everywhere with disastrous consequences.

  53. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only. Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Down with Trump! Down with white supremacy and privilege! Up with tolerance and diversity!

    I know you is trolling… but…

    Christianity is a strange kind of religion.

    It is both nativist and anti-nativist.

    It arose in a time of Jewish resistance against the Roman Empire. Collaborationist Jews just went along with the Romans. Patriotic Jews wanted to drive the Romans out by any means necessary.

    Jesus was more a patriotic Jew and certainly not a collaborationist Jew. He respected the patriotic Jews who were idealistic and willing to die for God and their land.
    He had no respect for the collaborationists who just went along to enrich themselves and live well and enjoy privilege.
    But He fell out of favor with the patriots as well because He thought the Jews should just leave it up to God. The real battle was a spiritual battle. And vengeance would be God’s.
    If Jews were to be very good and give up their wealth and choose holy poverty and prove their goodness in the eyes of God, then God would take care of things. God would send terror upon the bad folks and smite them. According to John, God would even send the 666 beask that was scarier than Godzilla and Mechagodzilla combined.

    Jesus saw armed resistance as futile since Romans were so much more powerful in arms. Also, too many key Jews were collaborators. And Romans appointed Herod as king of the Jews. And Herod was a master builder and a mighty tyrant in his own right.

    So, how could Jews win? Jesus relied on God. If Jews were really really good, God would take care of it. And for this to happen, Jesus had to be sacrificed as a the Perfect Man. He would not resist the torture and pain. He would take the whupping(though prolly not as horrible as in Gibson’s movie) and then die on the Cross. And then God would open up the heavens, send the angels of vengeance(like in Raiders of the Lost Ark), and kick some butt. But it didn’t happen that way.
    Since God didn’t punish the evildoers when Jesus got nailed to the Cross, the idea was that it will happen some day. Who knows when?
    The whole idea began as revenge for the Jews against Romans, but since the religion outlasted the Roman Empire, the revelation about Judgement Day took on new meanings. Ironically, even though Jesus wanted to see God smash pagan Rome, the Rome that got smashed was Christian, and the smashing was done by pagans.
    Go figure.

    Anyway, Christianity began as a religion of resistance. It was to resist the Roman imperialists and the Jewish collaborators. But unlike Zealots who wanted to be like the Viet Cong, Jesus was more into what Gandhi pulled later. Gandhi had numbers on his side. Jesus thought He had God on His side.

    St. Paul was a collaborator who used to whup patriotic Jews for the Romans. But he had a change of heart. And he came to serve Jesus. And he wanted to win over Jews, but Jews told him to get lost.

    This is when Christianity, which began as a Jewish-nativist religion(and was maintained as such by Peter and his followers), became an anti-nativist religion. Disappointed by his fellow Jews–who also kicked his ass a few times–, Paul decided to turn it into a universal religion for all folks, and to make it palatable to non-Jews, his version didn’t require men to slice off their weenie skins. (That sure helped in spreading the faith.) Paul turned against the Jews and even railed against them. He appealed to Greeks, Romans, Syrians, and other peoples. And when he went among Jews, he favored exile Jews in non-Jewish lands.

    But Romans didn’t like it. Romans were for pagan universalism of Roman rule.
    It was political universalism that placed huge areas under Roman authority. Religiously, Romans let others worship their own gods.

    Romans didn’t like the idea of a new kind of universalism, a spiritual one based on the God of the Jews. Even as Paul appealed to Romans and excoriated Jews, Romans found him bothersome and dangerous.

    It was spiritual universalism vs political universalism. Eventually, of course, the two merged under Constantine.

    Christianity that developed was dual-in-nature. It was both anti-imperialist and pro-imperialist. To the extent that its originator was a Jew who resisted the Roman imperialists and was killed by them, Christianity was an anti-Roman-imperialist religion. Also, a kind of ‘slave religion’ that morally favored the wretched-of-the-earth, it favored the oppressed over the oppressors.

    But on the other hand, Christianity could not have spread so easily if not for Roman Empire’s vast cross-circuitry of roads and trade routes. Paul traveled of foot and by sea all over. He was able to do this cuz of Pax Romana. Also, his Roman citizenship saved him a bunch of times. So, even as he was spreading the faith that originated as anti-imperialism, his very means of spreading it was made possible by the existence of the Empire. In a way, Paul was standing up to Roman power and Roman way. But he wasn’t pure of heart like Jesus. He could be diplomatic, savvy, political, cunning. He knew how to save his own skin. He worked like a salesman. Unlike Jesus, he didn’t seek martyrdom. He tried to avoid it as much as possible.
    He knew there was much to gain from Roman power, Roman laws, Roman military power. After all, without Roman imperialism, there would just be chaos and violence all around.

    Furthermore, Christianity had its own seeds of imperialism. If indeed Jesus is the Son of One and Only God and if His truth is the only true truth, it means that the entire world must be made to accept His truth. That was justification for imperialism for the Romans and later the Europeans. Indeed, even US slavery was justified along the lines of turning black heathens into Aunt Esthers. And Spanish justified their conquest of the New World on the basis of spreading the faith.

    So, Christianity spread via imperialism even though it originated as an act of anti-imperialism. Not only did Christians make a pact with mighty military power(beginning with Romans) but the innate core of Christianity is a kind of spiritual imperialism(very much like Islam that came later). To save the world, the world has to be conquered, and all must be made to share in the faith in the Lord.

    Indeed, Moore overlooks the fact that the Christianization of much of the world is the product of Western Imperialism. He also fails to understand that his hope for more Christians-of-color in the West is the product of reverse-imperialism, the invasion of the West by darkie hordes(most of whom will be converted more to rap music and thug culture than religion).

    I reject such imperialism and globalism. Imperialism had value long ago when the West did have much to teach the world. Also, there was a time when so many peoples were isolated and had much to gain by being shaken out of their doldrums into the international system dominated by the West, the most advanced folks on earth.

    But now, globalism threatens all nations, all cultures, all traditions. It is like a hurricane that threatens the integrity and identity of every nation and civilization.
    And for every new Christian convert created by globalism, there are 1000 new fans of Miley Cyrus and other such filth. Besides, the main faith spread by global West is now homomania.

    Let non-Christian peoples keep their own cultures and identities. And let Europeans and Americans keep theirs.

  54. @DDosCapitol
    The only silver lining to this is that few Baptists or Protestants in general that I know have respect for Moore's opinions. SBC membership and participation is driven by the money and organizational support they offer to churches much more than their theology or political/cultural views. And I'm speaking from CA where the membership is much more inclined to lean left culturally and politically. The main concern they express is that Moore's fashionable Leftism will empty out their churches just like it has done to Methodists, Lutherans etc...

    “fashionable Leftism” says it – spot on.

  55. @Anonymous
    Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only. Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Down with Trump! Down with white supremacy and privilege! Up with tolerance and diversity!

    I’m glad someone finally agrees with me that the Obergefell decision was white-supremacist.

  56. Dr. X says:

    The dark-skinned, Aramaic speaking man on the throne in heaven also made it to adulthood (so that the Jews and Romans could conspire to crucify him) because he wasn’t aborted by his mother.

    I wonder if he is going to send all the white, liberal, pro-choice Hillary voters to hell, too? Maybe the NYT can print that article next…

  57. @Anon7
    Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/world/europe/britain-election-results.html

    “Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did.”

    The Liberals in the comments section of The New York Times just had an orgasm at London electing a Muslim for mayor.

    It’s weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims? It must be a Cuck fantasy for Atheists to want to live in a society like Syria or Yemen.

    Atheists who love Muslims remind me of Feminazis who say there is a war on women, yet they only date thugs or bad boys and do not give nice guys the time of the day.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    The cultural hegemony of the United States is more powerful than we think it is. I'm starting to think that electing a Muslim mayor is done at least partly in imitation of our electing Barack Obama.

    It's more cargo-culti than multi-culti.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    The smart-set liberal atheists are so conceited in their opinions that they really believe everyone else in the world is just like they are. Hence, for them, "Muslim" is just a sort of cultural moniker designating a penchant for turbans, camels, and living in the desert. Underneath the exterior, every Muslim is really just another liberal cosmopolitan globalist with enlightened ideas.

    These people are so irreligious themselves that they really cannot imagine anyone else actually being religious. Thus, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, Muslims are not really religious people as far as they're concerned. All that "Allahu Akbar" stuff is instantly transmogrified in their minds into a sort of soccer chant. And Muslims do not wage Jihad against the West for religious reasons, but because they are "an oppressed minority seeking a redress of grievances" in the true '60s Leftist narrative. The proper thing to do is to throw money at them and give them room to express their discontent. If a few hundred Western civilians get butchered every now and again, that's just the price we have to pay for our "diversity" (the loss of which would be an even greater catastrophe).

    The only people the smart-set atheists reserve any genuine contempt for are white Christians. Why? Because they are the only ones, in their minds, who are truly religious (read: narrow, bigoted, prejudicial, intolerant). In the morality play which they substitute for reality, white Christians play the role of evil anti-globalist bigot, despite the fact that the entire Roman Catholic pseudo-Church of the Vatican II era, the entire Anglican Communion, and almost all mainstream Protestants and Evangelicals have long ago been cucked when it comes to the globalists' pet issues of unlimited tolerance and unlimited immigration.

    This all allows us to obtain a clue as to what modern Liberalism really is. It is first and foremost a categorical misreading of reality, an illusion; and furthermore, within that illusion, it is a sappy melodrama devoid of nuance or psychological depth. Nothing is stupider than this rootless urban intelligence. Liberalism is the most pig-headed attitude possible. It is sheer, blind, self-conceit.
    , @dumpstersquirrel
    "It’s weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims?"

    Enemy of my enemy is my friend. The atheist rainbow left hates Christians because we don't celebrate their sundry alternative deathstyles (e.g., sodomy, child rape, abortion, drug abuse), so they are on the side of anyone they perceive as an enemy to their most hated enemy of all. They're beyond thrilled when they imagine a Christian's horrified reaction to a musloid mayor. It just makes their day. They don't care that musloids also don't pretend to celebrate their various alternative deathstyles -- they're consumed with the momentary thrill of kicking Christians in the throat

    #itsnothing2celebrate
    , @FozzieT
    "It’s weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power."

    Once you understand that liberals are solely motivated by hatred of straight, white, Christian males, it all makes perfect sense.
    , @Cwhatfuture
    NY Times readers are provincial, and poorly educated, that is they graduated from the best American universities in the liberal arts. So they are dismissive and contemptuous of the two worldviews that they are familiar with but whose followers disagree with them. Christianity and Orthodox (non-liberal) Judaism. How can you disagree with the "beautiful people"? The beautiful people also love brown skinned people (from very afar). Now they do not know anything about Islam (as I said they are poorly educated) except they believe it comes from the third world, its adherents are mostly brown skinned, and it hates Christianity and Judaism. So Islam checks all the boxes as something that is very good in their minds.
    , @anon

    It’s weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.
     
    They don't hate religion; they hate Christianity and Christians.
  58. PUTIN!!!!!!!!!!!

    could you get the KGB to check out this guy’s bank account and email before the election please 🙂

  59. Jesus was white. For the most obvious reason of them all. White people followed him.

  60. Where’s Samuel L Jackson when you need him?

  61. $BC, $PLC, what’s the difference really? Every bit of what ails America can be directly traced to these antique book lovers and their zeal for universalism. Of course it’s nice when they come out and brag about doing what I’ve accused them of doing for three decades, but I can’t imagine any of their Cuck fetishists jumping ship over it so its of no practical value. They’ll keep on tirelessly working to replace white western man with their spiritual “brothers” from third world tribes who have never seen plumbing (indoor or otherwise)…

  62. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    My mother-in-law blamed the California fiasco on Trump's "inflammatory" rhetoric. I asked her what he said that was so bad. Her reply, "He called all Mexican Americans rapists."

    That's our world.

    Your mother-in-law, like the rest of the democrats/leftist, is summoning the very demon she wants to marginalize, dismiss with extreme prejudice and, yes, I will write it, demonize.

    Trump is a mild version of what that kind of dishonesty has produced. Those who follow Trump, should this continue, will make Trump’s controversial positions seem like salt-free rolled oats for breakfast.

  63. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Moore is a good example of how the Cult of Compassion could shut off a man’s heart to his fellow brethren.

    Moore’s Cult of Compassion is all about the Noble Negro(of To Kill a Mocking Bird). His childlike mind is stuck in the 50s of Jimmy Crow. He has no idea how much this nation has changed. He still seems to think white folks have it all and must share with all the world. He must live in a bubble and be disconnected from reality since so many white people are hurting, largely due to growing diversity.

    He is so full of himself, his own goodness, his own precious holiness, and his self-righteous conceit that he is blind to problems faced by real Americans whose needs have been overlooked by idiots like him and other globalists who favor ‘more consumers for my brand(in his care, religion)’ than for what is good for my fellow countrymen.

    Moore is too busy looking into the looking glass and muttering ‘mirror mirror on the wall, who is the goody-goodiest of them all’ to realize that America of today isn’t what it was 50 yrs ago. It is now an America where blacks routinely beat up and bully whites. It is a nation where blacks are far more likely to taunt and insult whites than other way around. I mean how many whites say ‘go back to Africa’? But just listen to rap music that is filled with filth.

    Moore has too much pride, a bad thing in Christianity. His moral pride and preening holy-shmoliness blinds him to the fact that he’s a greedy sumfabitch who’s only interested in increasing members for his church than doing what is good for all Americans.
    And more immigration and more diversity is NOT what this country needs.

    Diversity is imperialism, imperialism is diversity. Roman Empire was diverse… because it was an EMPIRE!

    If the West deserves to be invaded to make it diverse, then the corollary is ALL the world deserves to be invaded to make them more diverse.

    Crazy.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  64. @Anonymous
    Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only. Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Down with Trump! Down with white supremacy and privilege! Up with tolerance and diversity!

    Before about six months ago we had intelligent trolls, …

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    Yeah. These new trolls are like human "joy buzzers" or "whoopee cushions".
  65. @SFG
    "The man on the throne in heaven is a dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking “foreigner” who is probably not all that impressed by chants of “Make America great again.”"

    That's what always bugged me--he's basically saying he knows what God looks like. Sounds vaguely blasphemous, but I'm not that well versed in these things.

    Oh, you ought to check this one out:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-pac-formed-to-pressure-white-males-not-to-run-for-office/

    I thought y'all were joking, but...

    They should be careful for what they wish for. Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism posted a good rant titled “Who will pay for everything when the white people are gone”? http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.ca/2016/05/who-will-pay-for-everything-when-white.html

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "They should be careful for what they wish for. Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism posted a good rant titled “Who will pay for everything when the white people are gone”?"

    Most Asian Americans earn enough money to pay income taxes, so they will pay for the welfare safety nest of the NAM underclass.

    You will start seeing Negro and Chicano Section 8 Housing popping up in affluent Asian American suburbs in The San Gabriel Valley and The Bay Area for example.

  66. Member of The New World Order of professional wrestling Kevin Nash has endorsed Donald Trump for POTUS.
    http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Kevin_Nash_Wears_Trump_Shirt_Bobby_Roode_-_WWE_NXT_UK_Note_SmackDown_Top_10.html

  67. Hoyos says:

    I have a strong Baptist background, I even went to the one of the largest and oldest Baptist universities in the United States.

    White guilt is insane. CS Lewis handled it best when he said that you should not ask for forgiveness, or had penance demanded from you, for a sin which you have in no sense done.

    It’s a likely sign of departure from orthodoxy when you grab one true idea in Christianity (that all men of whatever race should come to Jesus) and start ignoring other truths (like not bearing false witness against your neighbor; we all know Trump doesn’t hate black people, he seems to promote them to executive positions).

    I may be wrong, although I don’t think so, but if Daniel can serve a pagan king, Joseph can serve a pagan king, and David himself can serve a pagan king (oh yes he did, when he was on the run from Saul) then I think I can vote for Trump.

    • Replies: @NickG

    CS Lewis handled it best when he said that you should not ask for forgiveness, or had penance demanded from you, for a sin which you have in no sense done.
     
    Lewis rejecting vicarious guilt as tosh. Which - given that he was a famous apologist for vicarious redemption - is ironic, if you think about it.

    Lewis should have stuck to writing fantasy novels.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    CS Lewis handled it best when he said that you should not ask for forgiveness, or had penance demanded from you, for a sin which you have in no sense done.

     

    Yes, exactly. Lewis addresses this in an essay called 'The Dangers of National Repentance'. It's short, but profound and prescient.
  68. @Priss Factor
    White folks need Covenantism.

    Like Jews, they need their own unique Covenant with God.

    Be a prophet, seek it, and you shall find it.

    “White folks need Covenantism. Like Jews, they need their own unique Covenant with God. Be a prophet, seek it, and you shall find it.”

    We have it already. It’s called America. The Covenant was made by thousands and millions as they passed over the sea in faith like Noah and Moses and took possession of their inheritance in the land.

    All you have to do is open your eyes to find what they bequeathed to us. It’s all around us and is already ours because they made it and we inherited it.

    All around me are towns and houses and schools and Churches my people built, fields they cleared and planted, roads they blazed and graded, and factories they created; governed in order and harmony by institutions they founded and laws they wrote in the light of faith.

    The Covenant was made when our ancestors stood up as free men, took on responsibility for their own, and swore an oath to God promising fidelity in exchange for a new beginning in a new country.

    Vote Trump to renew it and keep it.

  69. @jesse helms think-alike
    not entirely OT:

    Trump responds to Miss Lindsay's criticism:

    DONALD J. TRUMP RESPONSE TO LINDSEY GRAHAM
    "I fully understand why Lindsey Graham cannot support me. If I got beaten as badly as I beat him, and all the other candidates he endorsed, I would not be able to give my support either. Every time I see Lindsey Graham spew hate during interviews I ask why the media never questions how I single-handedly destroyed his hapless run for President. As a candidate who did not receive 1% in his own state - compared to my victory at nearly 40% with many others in the race - he has zero credibility. He was a poor representative and an embarrassment to the great people of South Carolina. Judging by the incompetent way he ran his campaign, it is easy to see why his military strategies have failed so badly --- we can’t even beat ISIS!
    While I will unify the party, Lindsey Graham has shown himself to be beyond rehabilitation. And like the voters who rejected him, so will I!"
    Donald J. Trump


    https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10157012824830725

    This is incredible; can you imagine Romney or W having the nutsacular fortitude to respond to attacks like this. Finally a politician who doesn't say "thank you sir may I have another" in response to insane attacks from the Left.

    meanwhile Grahamnesty is looking worse for wear:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChzWEksWwAA0mxl.jpg

    are those Kaposi lesions breaking out on his nose and temple?

    >>Lindsey Graham has shown himself to be beyond rehabilitation. ….

    But we haven’t tried reparative therapy yet. Ooops. That’s been outlawed.

  70. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Jesus was a Jew. What Israel's (and American Jews') stance on nationalism and immigration for Israel.

    Are Jews evil? Are Jews intolerant and anti-diversity.

    You, sir, are a child. And a spoiled one at that.

    If Jesus were alive now, he’d probably be an activist in Shalom Achshav.

    (If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "(If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)"

    Hah! WWJC - What Would Jesus Carry?
    , @Tracy
    Matthew 26: [36] Then Jesus came with them into a country place which is called Gethsemani; and he said to his disciples: Sit you here, till I go yonder and pray. [37] And taking with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, he began to grow sorrowful and to be sad. [38] Then he saith to them: My soul is sorrowful even unto death: stay you here, and watch with me. [39] And going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. [40] And he cometh to his disciples, and findeth them asleep, and he saith to Peter: What? Could you not watch one hour with me?

    [41] Watch ye, and pray that ye enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh weak. [42] Again the second time, he went and prayed, saying: My Father, if this chalice may not pass away, but I must drink it, thy will be done. [43] And he cometh again and findeth them sleeping: for their eyes were heavy. [44] And leaving them, he went again: and he prayed the third time, saying the selfsame word. [45] Then he cometh to his disciples, and saith to them: Sleep ye now and take your rest; behold the hour is at hand, and the Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of sinners.

    [46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me. [47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the ancients of the people. [48] And he that betrayed him, gave them a sign, saying: Whomsoever I shall kiss, that is he, hold him fast. [49] And forthwith coming to Jesus, he said: Hail, Rabbi. And he kissed him. [50] And Jesus said to him: Friend, whereto art thou come? Then they came up, and laid hands on Jesus, and held him.

    [51] And behold one of them that were with Jesus, stretching forth his hand, drew out his sword: and striking the servant of the high priest, cut off his ear. [52] Then Jesus saith to him: Put up again thy sword into its place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword. [53] Thinkest thou that I cannot ask my Father, and he will give me presently more than twelve legions of angels? [54] How then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that so it must be done?
    , @David
    To the faithful, Jesus lives. That's the whole idea.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    That is blasphemous.
    , @GW
    He is alive now.
    , @SFG
    I wouldn't make too much fun of Jesus--how do you feel when these guys make Holocaust jokes?
  71. Talk such as this may cause the Silent Majority to turn to the Lovecraftian Old Ones. Be careful what you wish for.

  72. @Glaivester
    Let's remember, Russell Moore was part of the Evangelical Immigration Table (EIT), a project of Soros' National Immigration Forum. The Evangelical Immigration Table was funded partly by Paul Singer (Rubio's money man), by which I mean he paid for their ads promoting amnesty during the Gang of Eight battle, which was pretty much all that the EIT did.

    Bingo. Churches are simply going where the money is, both in terms of big donors, but also new membership.

    Religious charities that would otherwise be facing declining endowments have become de facto arms of the federal government. Taking in millions in federal grants in order to settle and care for hundreds of thousands of immigrants. It is a brilliant way to create astroturf support for open border policies.

  73. That Russell’s article would appear in the NYT is simply bizarre. Would they publish an evangelical Op-Ed about how “the majority of people who ever lived” were bound to not enter Heaven because they refused to accept Jesus as their Savior?

    I doubt it. And I also doubt that many evangelicals even read, or respect, anything in the New York Times.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    That Russell’s article would appear in the NYT is simply bizarre. Would they publish an evangelical Op-Ed about how “the majority of people who ever lived” were bound to not enter Heaven because they refused to accept Jesus as their Savior?

    I doubt it. And I also doubt that many evangelicals even read, or respect, anything in the New York Times.
     
    No, I'm afraid I disagree on both points. That is, it doesn't surprise me that the NYT would publish this: they're looking to lure any voters to Hillary they possible can. They know that evangelicals right now are in a state of some confusion, as their traditional 'safe' political options are not available in the current presidential race. Leftists are nothing if not relentless; any potential pool of votes is a target.

    There are also some evangelicals -- perhaps more than you think -- who live out the old story of being small-town/flyover state born and bred, wanting to be faithful Christians, and yet still yearning to get in tune with what they perceive to be the high notes played by 'sophisticated' thinkers. These evangelicals certainly do pay attention to the NYT.

    Discerning and fighting liberal drift is a constant challenge for western churches. Remember that all of the attraction of the left from a Christian point of view originates in Christianity itself -- equality of believers; compassion and care for the poor and oppressed; seeking peace on earth -- but the left empties out and twists these virtues into cruel caricatures. Never the less, some Christians convince themselves that this time their sophisticated lefty temptors are sincere . . . .
  74. OT: Hate Hoax follow up. Students plead not guilty in UAlbany bus attack. Whatever you do, you MUST click on this link

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    OT: Hate Hoax follow up. Students plead not guilty in UAlbany bus attack. Whatever you do, you MUST click on this link

     

    She dindu nuffin.

    Loyalty to the narrative is impervious to evidence.
  75. Get your bumper sticker:

    HONKY IF YOU LOVE JESUS!

  76. you trumptsters don’t know what the problem is or what to do about it. effin’ white face obama.

    The Benghazi Talking Points
    And how they were changed to obscure the truth

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-benghazi-talking-points/article/720543

    lie cheat steal go for it trumpsters!!11!!

  77. Contemporary Christian authorities get it all ass-backward. Christianity triumphed in Europe by offering everyone their own Jesus. Briton St. Patrick, who was taken hostage by Irish pirates as an adolescent and after his escape educated by Romans in Gaul (quite a story if you think about it), brought Jesus back to the Irish in Irish terms. Saxon missionaries from England evangelized the Germans in the 8th century by giving them a Jesus they could relate to.

    Now the priests tell us that Jesus is nothing like us. That we should bow to a foreign Jesus. It’s ridiculous. Takes the worst aspects of colonialism and directs them back at their own flock. This is why Christianity is floundering. I’m beginning to understand why the Jacobins, Communists and even Orwell hated religion so much, even though I think their critiques were not all that well-informed.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @John Derbyshire
    "I like the Church of England better than Our Lord"—Orwell
  78. “The area had been majority white during the violent years of Jim Crow.”

    In what way was the Jim Crow era “violent”? It may have been injust, but it was not particularly violent. The violent crime rate today is over twice what it was in 1960. In 1991, it was nearly 5 times greater than what it was in 1960. We are frankly more justified in referring to the “violent affirmative action era”.

    “That would be “political,” church members said, and they wanted to stick to “simple gospel preaching.””

    Imagine that. A church whose members were primarily concerned with the salvation of their immortal soul rather than the political ephemera of the day. What the hell kind of Christians are they?

  79. “Russell Moore, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, is the author of “Onward: Engaging the Culture Without Losing the Gospel.””

    This entire sentence is one long trip down the insane, hypocritical road of black religion.

    A man who talks this way is ethical? What is this man doing on a religious liberty commission?

    Engaging the culture without losing the gospel? When was the gospel about black supremacy delusions?

  80. @International Jew
    If Jesus were alive now, he'd probably be an activist in Shalom Achshav.

    (If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)

    “(If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)”

    Hah! WWJC – What Would Jesus Carry?

  81. @Glaivester
    Let's remember, Russell Moore was part of the Evangelical Immigration Table (EIT), a project of Soros' National Immigration Forum. The Evangelical Immigration Table was funded partly by Paul Singer (Rubio's money man), by which I mean he paid for their ads promoting amnesty during the Gang of Eight battle, which was pretty much all that the EIT did.

    I see now, Moore is one of those venomous Liberation Theologians/Marxist thugs in disguise that have destroyed churches across the country by infesting them with a dose of PC/MC and anti-White, anti-Christian thinking.

  82. “From the NYT:”

    Why is a publication that is largely jewish, largely homosexual, and (probably) mostly athiest, all of a sudden so solicitous of evangelical christians? Do they care about what other evangelicals think or just this one who happens to agree with them? Do they otherwise ever show any great interest in the opinions of evangelical christians beyond some kind of cartoon version of what they believe?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Leftists know they cannot dismiss Trump's base for now.
  83. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Moore’s idiocy is the product of a mono-moral narrative where one side was totally good and the other side was totally bad.

    That is the template of how US sees race relations.

    Whites were totally bad, whereas non-whites, esp blacks, were totally good.
    It’s a cartoon vision of history, and it mortally wounds white moral pride since NO JUSTIFICATION has been offered for the Segregationists. Thus, they had no reason but PURE EVIL in having opposed King and Civil Rights Marches.

    So, all the rightness and justification during the Civil Rights Era are placed with blacks & allies and NONE with whites who opposed the movement.

    Now, if blacks were just whites with dark skin, the anti-segregationists would have been right, more or less. Why deny full rights to a people solely based on skin color?

    But races do exist and racial differences are real and go way beyond skin color. Whites southerners(and northerners too as it turned out) had good reasons to fear social equality with blacks since blacks are the superior race when it comes to physicality, aggression, thuggery, and etc. It’s be like integrating retrievers with pit bulls. Same species, but different races.

    So, while the laws were legally unfair to blacks, getting rid of those laws would have been biologically unfair to whites. Blacks would act aggressively toward whites, lots of whites would get hurt. White guys would lose male pride and see their women go with stronger negroes. What humiliation, what shame. Interracism is ‘racism’ insofar as women go with men of another race on the premise that they are superior as men.

    And even though northerners mocked southern bigots, the Libs in NY an Chicago and Detroit and etc all found out the same truth. They too began to be terrorized by black thuggery and moved away from darkening areas. White flight was due to white fright of the stronger meaner more aggressive Negro.

    So, a mono-moral narrative is bogus. We need a duo-moral narrative that tries to understand both sides. (We do such for Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East Conflict. We know Jews are oppressing Palestinians, but we also know that if angry Pallies were given total equal rights, they will violently strike out at Jews whom they see as occupiers and imperialists. So, both sides have legit fears and rages. We don’t use mono-moral narrative on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.)

    Now, the Civil Rights Movement was a compelling one for blacks. They had a right to be angry and demand justice.
    BUT, justice for blacks could only lead to all sorts of problems of whites who were likely to be treated like Jerry Quarry at the fists of Ali and Frazier.

    THAT side of history should be told as well. From a biological viewpoint, whites did have some compelling moral justification for opposing racial integration.

    And given what happened to NY and other cities, we’ve seen how Libs used massive incarceration, gentrification, and stop and frisk to control blacks or get rid of them demographically. They talk of ‘racial justice’ but act in ways that increase segregation. Notice how rich Lib cities just get whiter and more Jewishier(and maybe more Asian).

    Also, if Nixon used the Southern Strategy against Dems in 68 and 72, Lib elites used the Foreign Strategy. They used immigration to use yellows and browns as buffers between themselves and blacks.
    And by filling the Dem Party with more immigrants, the party became more viable in the long run cuz a Black Party is bound to fall to ruin like Detroit.
    But a party where browns and yellows increasingly count more than blacks is viable for the white/Jewish/homo overlords of the Dem party.

    Foreign Strategy vs Southern Strategy.

  84. Whiskey says: • Website

    Reason #5,788 why I am not a Christian. Good God that was revolting. And unfortunately, it **IS** Christianity, pretty much. There is nothing even remotely un-Christian about Moore’s comments. Obama as Jesus 2.0, Chocolate Version, is a fulfillment of Christianity, I can recall all sorts of people after Obama was first elected praising the “redemption” of fallen American from racism. Including those on the right, such as Breitbart’s John Nolte.

    Sorry, being “fallen” and needing “redemption” are foreign concepts to me, nor am I ashamed of either my country or heritage. Neither are perfect, both are better than everything else. Because they are mine.

    Sadly, this is how most Christians believe. No wonder most have moved on to post-Christian beliefs about Gaia, Global Warming, Sustainability, Recycling, and other green religious idiocies.

    There are real spewers of religious bigotry, hate, and murder. They are called ISIS, and more generally Muslims. I don’t see any zealous denunciation of the real life murders of secular and reformist Bangladeshis over the last few months. Or the murders of Copts in Egypt by Muslims, or the murders of Buddhist Thais by Muslims. No, because that would entail real courage, courting violence by those dedicated to wiping out any and all globally who criticize them.

    Libeling Trump and his supporters is cost-free proposition. Speaking the truth about Islam, Muslims, ISIS, means courting death. Christianity, a cheap moral grandstanding platform since about 1000 AD (in the West at least).

  85. Like Jews, they need their own unique Covenant with God.

    The framework is already there in the Bible. E.g., there’s a law requiring believers to only select their rulers from their own ethnic group. I want to say in Kings, but don’t quote me on that.

    There’s also the the logic of spirituality. Once you accept that God did not create races and ethnic groups for them to be erased by man (He gave us Earth, flora, and fauna to use, but not the nations), a lot flows on naturally from that.

    There’s also the interpretation that Christianity is the Covenant you’re talking about; He gave ethnic particularism to the Jews first, like a trial run, then dissolved that Covenant and re-forged it, this time with each nation of man (and each to come). You just have to start with the mindset that the first Covenant was where God laid out his intentions. Thus the particularism of the OT is filtered into Christianity. This comports well with Christ’s proclaimation that none of the old laws would pass away.

    There’s all kinds of stuff in the Bible that is ignored, misinterpreted, or both. It’s important to get as many translations as possible (except Scofield) when analyzing Scripture. Online Parallel Bible is good for this.

  86. You just have to start with the mindset that the first Covenant was where God laid out his intentions for each nation/ethnic group.

  87. Quite possibly the most ridiculous, asinine article I have ever read. This guy is a major-league jackass.

  88. With content like this, I cannot understand why the NYT just reported a loss.

  89. It offends me that nativism is implied to be equivalent to bigotry and white supremacy.

  90. @jesse helms think-alike
    not entirely OT:

    Trump responds to Miss Lindsay's criticism:

    DONALD J. TRUMP RESPONSE TO LINDSEY GRAHAM
    "I fully understand why Lindsey Graham cannot support me. If I got beaten as badly as I beat him, and all the other candidates he endorsed, I would not be able to give my support either. Every time I see Lindsey Graham spew hate during interviews I ask why the media never questions how I single-handedly destroyed his hapless run for President. As a candidate who did not receive 1% in his own state - compared to my victory at nearly 40% with many others in the race - he has zero credibility. He was a poor representative and an embarrassment to the great people of South Carolina. Judging by the incompetent way he ran his campaign, it is easy to see why his military strategies have failed so badly --- we can’t even beat ISIS!
    While I will unify the party, Lindsey Graham has shown himself to be beyond rehabilitation. And like the voters who rejected him, so will I!"
    Donald J. Trump


    https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10157012824830725

    This is incredible; can you imagine Romney or W having the nutsacular fortitude to respond to attacks like this. Finally a politician who doesn't say "thank you sir may I have another" in response to insane attacks from the Left.

    meanwhile Grahamnesty is looking worse for wear:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChzWEksWwAA0mxl.jpg

    are those Kaposi lesions breaking out on his nose and temple?

    Hear, hear! There are many politicians I hold in contempt, but at the far end of the spectrum, the one that fills me with an almost unbearable, visceral loathing is Lindsey Graham.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Hear, hear! There are many politicians I hold in contempt, but at the far end of the spectrum, the one that fills me with an almost unbearable, visceral loathing is Lindsey Graham.
     
    But he's a good brother, uncle, and friend.
  91. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    The new Disraeli in the making?

    The new ‘tolerant’ face of London. Tolerate the invasion.

    Vichy France was sure tolerant of German rule.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8c974c8e-1379-11e6-bb40-c30e3bfcf63b.html

  92. Lot says:

    Clergymen are the enemy of middle class white Americans for the same reason businessmen are: they care more about the quantity than quality of Americans.

    If you follow American Christian intellectuals, they are full of praise for African churches, and their longing for millions of loyal, unquestioning, simple-minded new African followers is palpable.

  93. @Bill P
    Contemporary Christian authorities get it all ass-backward. Christianity triumphed in Europe by offering everyone their own Jesus. Briton St. Patrick, who was taken hostage by Irish pirates as an adolescent and after his escape educated by Romans in Gaul (quite a story if you think about it), brought Jesus back to the Irish in Irish terms. Saxon missionaries from England evangelized the Germans in the 8th century by giving them a Jesus they could relate to.

    Now the priests tell us that Jesus is nothing like us. That we should bow to a foreign Jesus. It's ridiculous. Takes the worst aspects of colonialism and directs them back at their own flock. This is why Christianity is floundering. I'm beginning to understand why the Jacobins, Communists and even Orwell hated religion so much, even though I think their critiques were not all that well-informed.

    “I like the Church of England better than Our Lord”—Orwell

    • Replies: @5371
    Sounds very Maurrassian; where is the quote from?
    , @Bill P
    Totally in character.

    BTW, have you wondered, given your own recent bout with the disease, whether Hillary Clinton suffers from lymphoma? Camille Paglia mentioned a lump on her neck recently, and her persistent hoarseness and cough seem to point in that direction. I'm curious, because my uncle mentioned these as his symptoms when he was diagnosed.
    , @Bill P
    Totally in character. I love Orwell's consistency.

    BTW, have you wondered, given your own recent bout with the disease, whether Hillary Clinton suffers from lymphoma? Camille Paglia mentioned a lump on her neck recently, and her persistent hoarseness and cough seem to point in that direction. I'm curious, because my uncle mentioned these as his symptoms when he was diagnosed with lymphoma.

    A side note in the Andrea Mitchell interview was the inadvertent revelation about Hillary’s health. She was wearing a conveniently high mandarin collar, but check out the moment when she mentions Vladimir Putin: one can clearly see an unmistakable lump bulging from the left side of her neck. Whether it is a goiter or some other growth should surely be of legitimate public concern in a presidential candidate.
     
    , @Sean the Neon Caucasian
    Yeah, Churchill was a lot like Karl Marx - upper class poof who had all the time, money, contacts, and connections to write tomes full of memorable quotes.
  94. Some say the worst thing that ever happened to the West as the acceptance of a Middle Eastern religion into Europe.

    • Replies: @David
    Douglas Adams suggests the worst thing ever to happen was chimpanzees climbing down out of the trees.
    , @Bill Jones
    When Christianity was being slapped together in the third and fourth centuries, there was a fairly strong constituency who wanted to eave it into the Greek Mystery Religions rather than that of the Jews.

    Hence the elevation of a wafer (grain of wheat).
  95. WGG says:

    Russell Moore is spot on in this article… with his impression of Dana Carvey’s famous Church Lady character. “Who else doesn’t like his home being invaded by foreigners, could it be… SATAN…ATAN…atan??!”

    Seriously did this guy, in God’s name, just endorse the live-birth-abortion candidate because “muh racism”? This charlatan is deceiver and a pagan. Whatever abstract set of ideals Moore worships in his heart of hearts, its name is not Christ or Yahweh.

    Let’s see. First, I should point out that the God of the Bible is a tribalist. He does not endorse letting other tribes infiltrate and corrupt the culture; He is explicitly against it. Second, God despises a rebellious heart. That is an appropriate description for these illegal aliens. They are rebels against authority, and thieves of a public trust which does not belong to them. They have stolen the opportunity to come here from those who wait in proper lines. And of course they have stolen jobs which by law do not belong to them.

    Third, the hymn says in CHRIST there is no East or West, but Muslims are idolaters. Many Latin Americans are as well, with their participation in mild witchcraft using curanderas, some even worshipping Pancho Villa and Santa Muerte. Don’t believe me? I’ll send you the candles. We have no Christian obligations to allow these idolaters and thieves to corrupt our society. Sending money or mission trips to help them in their own countries is appropriate- allowing them to further destroy the West is not, especially not by Biblical standards.

    If Trump reminds me of anyone in the Bible, it is King David, for although Trump has flaws, he also exudes joy. God loved David for his joyfulness, and He loves Trump, too.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    Please, you're not being very fair to pagans.
    , @SAM HOUSTON
    "This charlatan is deceiver and a pagan."

    As a Heathen I won't tolerate this bigoted comparison! You will be subjected to the Blood Eagle! ;)
  96. I’m so sick of this BS narrative about how blacks used to live in terror in the South and how anyone who opposed the “Civil Rights” movement was evil and etc., etc., etc. This BS is simply being used by the elites to justify their own power and silence anyone who questions the system. What is really scaring them is that they are losing control of the narrative and that simply calling people racist isn’t enough to silence us anymore.

  97. OT, but I’m sure everyone has read Andrew Sullivan’s attack piece on Trump. No analysis. Over 7000 words to repeat “Trump is Hitler!”

    The GOP ignored Trump for a long time. Then everyone laughed when he started to run. Now they’re on the attack…

    https://twitter.com/_chrisnonymous/status/728809934180130817

  98. @John Derbyshire
    "I like the Church of England better than Our Lord"—Orwell

    Sounds very Maurrassian; where is the quote from?

  99. White nationalists need a whiter religion. Judaism?

  100. @SPMoore8
    That Russell's article would appear in the NYT is simply bizarre. Would they publish an evangelical Op-Ed about how "the majority of people who ever lived" were bound to not enter Heaven because they refused to accept Jesus as their Savior?

    I doubt it. And I also doubt that many evangelicals even read, or respect, anything in the New York Times.

    That Russell’s article would appear in the NYT is simply bizarre. Would they publish an evangelical Op-Ed about how “the majority of people who ever lived” were bound to not enter Heaven because they refused to accept Jesus as their Savior?

    I doubt it. And I also doubt that many evangelicals even read, or respect, anything in the New York Times.

    No, I’m afraid I disagree on both points. That is, it doesn’t surprise me that the NYT would publish this: they’re looking to lure any voters to Hillary they possible can. They know that evangelicals right now are in a state of some confusion, as their traditional ‘safe’ political options are not available in the current presidential race. Leftists are nothing if not relentless; any potential pool of votes is a target.

    There are also some evangelicals — perhaps more than you think — who live out the old story of being small-town/flyover state born and bred, wanting to be faithful Christians, and yet still yearning to get in tune with what they perceive to be the high notes played by ‘sophisticated’ thinkers. These evangelicals certainly do pay attention to the NYT.

    Discerning and fighting liberal drift is a constant challenge for western churches. Remember that all of the attraction of the left from a Christian point of view originates in Christianity itself — equality of believers; compassion and care for the poor and oppressed; seeking peace on earth — but the left empties out and twists these virtues into cruel caricatures. Never the less, some Christians convince themselves that this time their sophisticated lefty temptors are sincere . . . .

    • Agree: Spmoore8, Antonymous
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    The NYT doesn't publish material directed to conservatives or Christians, they publish material for the benefit of the greater print and television press corps in order to mold its views, which in turn molds the coverage of people and events. I have no doubt that they didn't give this Moore jerk free reign - did they solicit him with the piece's proposition or the reverse? Will we ever hear from him in the pages of the NYT about matters of concern for Evangelicals outside of the narrow cast of pro-immigration and anti-white advocacy? It's hard to think of it.

    I think sometimes we forget that the other side needs its views reinforced regularly, and that is the purpose of this piece - a credentialed Evangelical big mahoff calling Trump a racist (as if that needed to be written again) but more importantly offering a sort of Protestant excommunication of Evangelicals supporting Trump. It reinforces in the minds of the Upper West Side and media types (there is overlap here) what they already want to think of white Evangelicals.
  101. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Ricketts the bald-headed fool looks like a turtle.

  102. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    The choice was Jewish guy vs Muslim guy.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/342106-sadiq-khan-london-mayor/

    • Replies: @5371
    Goldsmith only had one Jewish grandparent.
  103. Tracy says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only. Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Down with Trump! Down with white supremacy and privilege! Up with tolerance and diversity!

    And that’s why I’m glad to be a Catholic, a member of a religion that has Tradition and the Magisterium along with Sacred Scripture instead of “sola scriptura.” The Catholic Church teaches (in spite of what many in today’s Vatican wish, including the Pope himself) that subsidiarity is key to political thinking. Catholic teaching doesn’t gibe with what Steve calls “leapfrogging loyalties” (see The Morality of Everyday Life, from Culture Wars.

    There’s a reason why God dealt with the Tower of Babel as He did.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    And that’s why I’m glad to be a Catholic, a member of a religion that has Tradition and the Magisterium
     
    Way back, around 1970, our Sunday School class took a field trip to a local Catholic church -- part of our diversity curriculum I guess. They were doing their mass and it was really packed. A few things struck me:

    1. Everyone was casually dressed. Some more casual than the dress codes of the public schools of the time. I remember thinking, Don't these people have any respect, to come dressed like shlumpers.

    2. Some of the prayers were all too familiar; Christians have ripped off some of our best material.

    3. The priest (who met with us afterward) appeared not to be wearing any underwear under his dark robe; when he moved, you could see a large object swinging where his crotch must have been.

    4. They weren't praying in Latin. Huge disappointment.

    , @ben tillman

    And that’s why I’m glad to be a Catholic, a member of a religion that has Tradition and the Magisterium along with Sacred Scripture instead of “sola scriptura.”
     
    What constitutes the scripture? The answer depends on history or tradition, i.e., the apostolic succession (or something along those lines). In other words, it's immediately evident that "sola scriptura" is impossible.
  104. Tracy says: • Website
    @International Jew
    If Jesus were alive now, he'd probably be an activist in Shalom Achshav.

    (If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)

    Matthew 26: [36] Then Jesus came with them into a country place which is called Gethsemani; and he said to his disciples: Sit you here, till I go yonder and pray. [37] And taking with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, he began to grow sorrowful and to be sad. [38] Then he saith to them: My soul is sorrowful even unto death: stay you here, and watch with me. [39] And going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. [40] And he cometh to his disciples, and findeth them asleep, and he saith to Peter: What? Could you not watch one hour with me?

    [41] Watch ye, and pray that ye enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh weak. [42] Again the second time, he went and prayed, saying: My Father, if this chalice may not pass away, but I must drink it, thy will be done. [43] And he cometh again and findeth them sleeping: for their eyes were heavy. [44] And leaving them, he went again: and he prayed the third time, saying the selfsame word. [45] Then he cometh to his disciples, and saith to them: Sleep ye now and take your rest; behold the hour is at hand, and the Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of sinners.

    [46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me. [47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the ancients of the people. [48] And he that betrayed him, gave them a sign, saying: Whomsoever I shall kiss, that is he, hold him fast. [49] And forthwith coming to Jesus, he said: Hail, Rabbi. And he kissed him. [50] And Jesus said to him: Friend, whereto art thou come? Then they came up, and laid hands on Jesus, and held him.

    [51] And behold one of them that were with Jesus, stretching forth his hand, drew out his sword: and striking the servant of the high priest, cut off his ear. [52] Then Jesus saith to him: Put up again thy sword into its place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword. [53] Thinkest thou that I cannot ask my Father, and he will give me presently more than twelve legions of angels? [54] How then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that so it must be done?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Ugh. What's the tldr version?
  105. @John Derbyshire
    "I like the Church of England better than Our Lord"—Orwell

    Totally in character.

    BTW, have you wondered, given your own recent bout with the disease, whether Hillary Clinton suffers from lymphoma? Camille Paglia mentioned a lump on her neck recently, and her persistent hoarseness and cough seem to point in that direction. I’m curious, because my uncle mentioned these as his symptoms when he was diagnosed.

  106. @John Derbyshire
    "I like the Church of England better than Our Lord"—Orwell

    Totally in character. I love Orwell’s consistency.

    BTW, have you wondered, given your own recent bout with the disease, whether Hillary Clinton suffers from lymphoma? Camille Paglia mentioned a lump on her neck recently, and her persistent hoarseness and cough seem to point in that direction. I’m curious, because my uncle mentioned these as his symptoms when he was diagnosed with lymphoma.

    A side note in the Andrea Mitchell interview was the inadvertent revelation about Hillary’s health. She was wearing a conveniently high mandarin collar, but check out the moment when she mentions Vladimir Putin: one can clearly see an unmistakable lump bulging from the left side of her neck. Whether it is a goiter or some other growth should surely be of legitimate public concern in a presidential candidate.

  107. Forget this Xtianity stuff. I’m a pagan. An italian/kraut pagan and proud of it.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    Thanks for sharing. I beat Double Dragon for the NES.
  108. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fascinating.

    After years and years and years of mocking, humiliating, ridiculing, and general snobbish disdain aimed at evangelical Christians and their beliefs, the NYT is now starting to get all ‘hell-fire and damnation’ on those who don’t toe the PC line.

    There is absolutely no depth beneath which the PC brigade will not stoop in order to impose their peculiar mindset.

  109. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    My mother-in-law blamed the California fiasco on Trump's "inflammatory" rhetoric. I asked her what he said that was so bad. Her reply, "He called all Mexican Americans rapists."

    That's our world.

    It is a trope of liberalism, to deny the moral agency of anyone who is not a straight, white male.

    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for being a paragon of “incivility”, which somehow led to Rep. Giffords being shot by a mentally deranged man.

    Rush Limbaugh was blamed by Bill Clinton in a speech for inciting McVeigh to the OKC bombing.

    It’s quite remarkable that Romney got 59% of white voters, when every single piece of the cultural establishment is on the left.

  110. @MC
    Clearly if the term "self-hating" can apply to Jews or gays who dissent from the identity-politics line, then Russell Moore is a "self-hating" Christian.

    Read between the lines, it just the same old Cultural Marxism. Any concern about Le Grand Remplacement is dismissed with a handwave, when it would be called colonization in any other culture.

    Moore is a white man who believes his own people’s existence is evil, and therefore is trying to bring it about in hopes of redemption. Arguably going farther than just “signaling” virtue.

    Of course, like a certain Mr. Tim Wise, I will have to wonder about where exactly he lives…

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Moore is a white man who believes his own people’s existence is evil
     
    No, his own people are the elect who believe as he does. The reprobate deserve what's coming to them, in his mind.
  111. … American Christians who respond to cultural tumult with nostalgia fail to do this. They are blinding themselves to the injustices faced by their black and brown brothers and sisters in the supposedly idyllic Mayberry of white Christian America. That world was murder, sometimes literally, for minority evangelicals.

    Is Rev. Moore familiar with The White Death

  112. @Priss Factor
    The choice was Jewish guy vs Muslim guy.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/342106-sadiq-khan-london-mayor/

    Goldsmith only had one Jewish grandparent.

    • Replies: @neon2
    Correct.
    His father's mother was a French Catholic, and his own mother, née Vane-Tempest-Stewart is the daughter of the 8th Marquess of Londonderry, the head of a family of immense political influence, particularly on the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
    He was simply too grand to be Mayor of London, not too Jewish.
  113. @Maj. Kong
    Read between the lines, it just the same old Cultural Marxism. Any concern about Le Grand Remplacement is dismissed with a handwave, when it would be called colonization in any other culture.

    Moore is a white man who believes his own people's existence is evil, and therefore is trying to bring it about in hopes of redemption. Arguably going farther than just "signaling" virtue.

    Of course, like a certain Mr. Tim Wise, I will have to wonder about where exactly he lives...

    Moore is a white man who believes his own people’s existence is evil

    No, his own people are the elect who believe as he does. The reprobate deserve what’s coming to them, in his mind.

  114. NickG says:
    @Hoyos
    I have a strong Baptist background, I even went to the one of the largest and oldest Baptist universities in the United States.

    White guilt is insane. CS Lewis handled it best when he said that you should not ask for forgiveness, or had penance demanded from you, for a sin which you have in no sense done.

    It's a likely sign of departure from orthodoxy when you grab one true idea in Christianity (that all men of whatever race should come to Jesus) and start ignoring other truths (like not bearing false witness against your neighbor; we all know Trump doesn't hate black people, he seems to promote them to executive positions).

    I may be wrong, although I don't think so, but if Daniel can serve a pagan king, Joseph can serve a pagan king, and David himself can serve a pagan king (oh yes he did, when he was on the run from Saul) then I think I can vote for Trump.

    CS Lewis handled it best when he said that you should not ask for forgiveness, or had penance demanded from you, for a sin which you have in no sense done.

    Lewis rejecting vicarious guilt as tosh. Which – given that he was a famous apologist for vicarious redemption – is ironic, if you think about it.

    Lewis should have stuck to writing fantasy novels.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I suppose you don't believe in vaccination, then either.

    Perhaps some more thought on the matter wouldn't hurt.
  115. Why is everyone so obsessed with skin color and gender nowadays? This is actually a very low level of consciousness. It’s offensive and degrading to reduce a human being to their mere race and gender identification, and it’s a transparent power play. When I walk down the street, I don’t think, “Gee I’m a white male, what should I do today?” But other people, being racist and sexist, do see me this way. And I find this incredibly offensive to have my humanity reduced in such a degraded way.

    Was Jesus in the Gospels saying, “and as a dark-skinned Aramaic male, I can truly say…” No, because they weren’t myopically obsessed with these issues the way many people now are. Whatever happened to us all just being human beings?

    Progressivism tries to claim that we need reverse racism to combat previous racism. But two wrongs don’t make a right. That one old saying destroys all of progressivism. And besides, it’s a transparent power grab. They don’t give a shit about equality. It makes me sick, these hypocritical Gen Y and progressive fucks, claiming to be about equality while at the same time being incredibly hateful and racist. It’s kind of like a contest to see, how hateful can I be, while being incredibly self-righteous at the same time and proclaiming myself to be on the side of what’s right and good? Just absolutely disgusting to anyone who’s not seduced by the incredibly shallow ideology.

    • Replies: @AndyBoy
    Gee, why is it life is great in every White country and miserable in every Brown one?

    Both the liberal and the conservative form of "anti-racist" utopianism is wrong.

    Race matters. A lot.
    , @Anonitron2
    If we're talking places with low levels of ethnic sectarianism, the ancient Levant isn't exactly the first that comes to mind.
  116. @anon
    Most people are operating on the impression of reality they get from the media not actual reality - that's how the media can herd millions.

    It's all a con trick - very powerful and very fragile at the same time.

    Fragile? I don’t know. People believe what they want to about Trump. If someone hates him enough then possibly no amount of evidence could cause them not to blame him and his supporters for everything.

  117. @Jimi

    There are not-so-coded messages denouncing African-Americans and immigrants;
     
    Can anyone produce a single quote anywhere in which Trump denounces African-Americans? Harbinger of the campaign where Left will simply make up stuff about Trump.

    He dwnounced BLM protesters which apparently means he hates all blacks

  118. @Mr. Anon
    "From the NYT:"

    Why is a publication that is largely jewish, largely homosexual, and (probably) mostly athiest, all of a sudden so solicitous of evangelical christians? Do they care about what other evangelicals think or just this one who happens to agree with them? Do they otherwise ever show any great interest in the opinions of evangelical christians beyond some kind of cartoon version of what they believe?

    Leftists know they cannot dismiss Trump’s base for now.

  119. @Hoyos
    I have a strong Baptist background, I even went to the one of the largest and oldest Baptist universities in the United States.

    White guilt is insane. CS Lewis handled it best when he said that you should not ask for forgiveness, or had penance demanded from you, for a sin which you have in no sense done.

    It's a likely sign of departure from orthodoxy when you grab one true idea in Christianity (that all men of whatever race should come to Jesus) and start ignoring other truths (like not bearing false witness against your neighbor; we all know Trump doesn't hate black people, he seems to promote them to executive positions).

    I may be wrong, although I don't think so, but if Daniel can serve a pagan king, Joseph can serve a pagan king, and David himself can serve a pagan king (oh yes he did, when he was on the run from Saul) then I think I can vote for Trump.

    CS Lewis handled it best when he said that you should not ask for forgiveness, or had penance demanded from you, for a sin which you have in no sense done.

    Yes, exactly. Lewis addresses this in an essay called ‘The Dangers of National Repentance’. It’s short, but profound and prescient.

  120. Was Jesus in the Gospels saying, “and as a dark-skinned Aramaic male,”

    That would be as unlikely as him saying “and as a yellow skinned Japanese male.”

    Jesus was a Jew, and as such was almost certainly white. Aramaic is a Semitic language that Jesus spoke, not his ethnicity. Incidentally, if you look at people from Aram, they are white as well.

    I agree that people should be judged as individuals, though in the absence of specific individual information or given large numbers, I will take race into account. For example, I will never knowingly walk into a black neighborhood because even though every single individual I encounter might be an angel, there is too high a likelihood that I will encounter a violent criminal.

  121. What a coincidence that a remake of Roots and Nat Turner’s The Birth Of A Nation is coming out during a presidential election season. Django Unchained came out during the 2012 presidential election season.

    No doubt Hollywood will release another Negro slave movie during the 2020 presidential election season.

    • Replies: @Palerider1861
    Wouldn't that film be better named "Afterbirth of a Nation"?
  122. Paulus (or St. Paul) had the grace to say that he wanted to be “a Jew to the Jews and a Greek to the Greeks”.
    And Paulus is the historical model for effective evangelizing.
    So oughtn’t this Russell Moore try to be a White to the Whites? Just give it a try, Russell!

  123. OT but useful as a juxtaposition.

    81.9% of British Jews would vote Conservative if an election were held now.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/157746/labour-support-among-british-jews-collapses-85-cent

  124. @Anon7
    Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/world/europe/britain-election-results.html

    London will never have a non-Muslim Mayor again.

    The reasons are complex but only to be compounded over time.

    1. Muslims in Britain are perhaps the most politically organised community and vote at far higher rates than others. At least when engaged.

    2. Turnout in the mayoral election is quite low overall.

    This means that Khan required only 1.1 million votes to win in a landslide and that a majority of his votes could well have been Muslims. He probably could have won with just 1 mill.

    After all

    3. London has at least 1.2 million Muslims. Of whom 800 thousand are probably of voting age. I can guarantee that 650 thousand of that voted because they really do get out the vote and therefore that Khan received about 600 thousand Muslim votes.

    This makes him a shoe-in to win reelection in 4 years when the very fast growing Muslim population is even bigger. And it means that in 8 years when he has to step down Muslims will form a strong plurality and still vote as a 90 percent block. Getting that block to vote for you will require you to be Muslim and in a city as diverse as London there are no other significant blocks left to stand as a counter weight.

    Perhaps if house prices become even more ludicrous the Muslims will start to move to other parts of the country and once that builds momentum many will move but that is just a thought.

    To be honest, it is better that our politics reflects our demographics. It makes everything more honest and open. It is also good that the Mayor does not control immigration policy…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You are quite right.
    , @Marcus
    I find it hard to believe they're more politically organized than Jews. Also do the various Muslim nationalities really have much in common? Sure they'll all vote for a Muslim against an Englishman, but that's not saying much.
    , @biz
    I don't know whether this is true or not but someone posted here a few days ago claiming that the Muslim percentage in London has leveled off. It is due to a lot of non-Muslim immigration from Eastern Europe, Poland, Africa, Sikhs, etc.
    , @Anon7
    Sadiq Khan won on the fifth round of voting. I don't have the foggiest idea how their election process works. If you compare the 2001 and 2011 census results, it certainly looks like Muslims have a incipient demographic edge.

    Khan's selection as a candidate was seen as part of a wider move towards the left in Labour that emerged during the leadership election that followed Miliband's resignation.[29] Key policies that Khan has proposed include a London 'living rent';[34] a quota system for ethnic minority officers in the Metropolitan Police;[35] increased home building;[36] and a campaign for a London Living Wage.[37] Commentators raised Khan's Muslim religion as a potential barrier to election, after a poll (not mentioning Khan by name) suggested that 31% of Londoners would be 'uncomfortable' with a Muslim mayor.[38] Khan, who was London's first Muslim MP, argued that the election of a Muslim could encourage London to become recognised as a more cosmopolitan city.[38] While Khan previously stated that he would serve a full term as MP for Tooting if he were to become Mayor of London,[39] he has since said he would stand down as MP for Tooting if he was elected Mayor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_mayoral_election,_2016)
     
    Here's a bit more about London's religious mix:

    According to the 2011 Census, the largest religious groupings are Christians (48.4 per cent), followed by those of no religion (20.7 per cent), no response (8.5 per cent), Muslims (12.4 per cent), Hindus (5.0 per cent), Jews (1.8 per cent), Sikhs (1.5 per cent), Buddhists (1.0 per cent) and other (0.6 per cent).[1]

    In 2001, the numbers were respectively Christians (58.2 per cent), followed by those of no religion (15.8 per cent), no response (8.7 per cent), Muslims (8.5 per cent), Hindus (4.1 per cent), Jews (2.1 per cent), Sikhs (1.5 per cent), Buddhists (0.8 per cent) and other (0.5 per cent).

    Islam is London's second largest religion. 38% of England's Muslims live in London, where they represent 12.4% of the population. There were 1,012,823 Muslims reported in the 2011 census in the Greater London area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_London
     
  125. Leftist conservative [AKA "Make Unz.com Great Again"] says: • Website

    those at the top of all our institutions, they always want more more MOAR human livestock–more taxpayers, more workers, more consumers, more worshipers, etc….so of course those who are in charge will favor immigration. And of course those who pander to those in charge, those who create propaganda for those in charge, then they too will favor immigration.

    The battle is not between right and left…there is only the battle between ordinary american citizens versus those at the top and their minions. Do we live in a human livestock ranch, where the elite farm us for profits? Or is this a nation full of citizens who control that nation to their own benefit?

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Do we live in a human livestock ranch, where the elite farm us for profits?
     
    Yes, we do, and the fascinating thing is that - unlike cattle ranchers -- the owners prefer their livestock to be of low quality!
  126. Sean says:

    The NYT god is a Mexican (of 100% Lebanese ancestry) who is worth 77.1 billion.

    When asked on BBC WS the other day about immigrants lowering US wages ,Vicente Fox apparently (it was bleeped) used the F word. Fox (another not very Hispanic looking Mexican) also exclaimed “Jesus Christ!”. That kind of respect for Christianity speaks for itself.

  127. So their god is a dark-skinned dude with aramaic as his tongue huh? Good to know. I’ll keep my eye out for that guy.
    Now who’s the Anti-Christ?

  128. @International Jew
    If Jesus were alive now, he'd probably be an activist in Shalom Achshav.

    (If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)

    To the faithful, Jesus lives. That’s the whole idea.

  129. @AndyBoy
    Some say the worst thing that ever happened to the West as the acceptance of a Middle Eastern religion into Europe.

    Douglas Adams suggests the worst thing ever to happen was chimpanzees climbing down out of the trees.

  130. @Jefferson
    "Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did."

    The Liberals in the comments section of The New York Times just had an orgasm at London electing a Muslim for mayor.

    It's weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims? It must be a Cuck fantasy for Atheists to want to live in a society like Syria or Yemen.

    Atheists who love Muslims remind me of Feminazis who say there is a war on women, yet they only date thugs or bad boys and do not give nice guys the time of the day.

    The cultural hegemony of the United States is more powerful than we think it is. I’m starting to think that electing a Muslim mayor is done at least partly in imitation of our electing Barack Obama.

    It’s more cargo-culti than multi-culti.

  131. @grapesoda
    Why is everyone so obsessed with skin color and gender nowadays? This is actually a very low level of consciousness. It's offensive and degrading to reduce a human being to their mere race and gender identification, and it's a transparent power play. When I walk down the street, I don't think, "Gee I'm a white male, what should I do today?" But other people, being racist and sexist, do see me this way. And I find this incredibly offensive to have my humanity reduced in such a degraded way.

    Was Jesus in the Gospels saying, "and as a dark-skinned Aramaic male, I can truly say..." No, because they weren't myopically obsessed with these issues the way many people now are. Whatever happened to us all just being human beings?

    Progressivism tries to claim that we need reverse racism to combat previous racism. But two wrongs don't make a right. That one old saying destroys all of progressivism. And besides, it's a transparent power grab. They don't give a shit about equality. It makes me sick, these hypocritical Gen Y and progressive fucks, claiming to be about equality while at the same time being incredibly hateful and racist. It's kind of like a contest to see, how hateful can I be, while being incredibly self-righteous at the same time and proclaiming myself to be on the side of what's right and good? Just absolutely disgusting to anyone who's not seduced by the incredibly shallow ideology.

    Gee, why is it life is great in every White country and miserable in every Brown one?

    Both the liberal and the conservative form of “anti-racist” utopianism is wrong.

    Race matters. A lot.

  132. I have this odd feeling that once dark-skinned Jesus starts sending Whites to hell he’s not going to stop at the ones who voted for Trump.

    Rich white liberals can never see that the monster they create has them second on the list. I guess they think they’re clever enough to avoid the consequences. Or they just don’t think at all.

  133. It is so kind of the NYT to offer advice to those they hate. I am sure they are sincere and mean well.

  134. Funny, I remember Trump winning white evangelical Christians in most Southern primaries. As a matter of fact, that was when Ted Cruz should have realized that it wasn’t happening for him this year, when voters who were right in his wheelhouse weren’t universally flocking to him, and he should have given up.

    There’s also a massive but unsurprising contradiction in Russell Moore’s way of thinking. He wants to stroke and support and nourish the tribalism of the various non-white groups of evangelicals, but wants white evangelicals to deny and extinguish their tribalism.

  135. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Before about six months ago we had intelligent trolls, ...

    Yeah. These new trolls are like human “joy buzzers” or “whoopee cushions“.

  136. @Bert
    Moore has been on the anti-Trump bandwagon since pretty much day one.

    Russell Moore hated Cruz even more. Russell Moore apparently thought Rubio was the obvious choice for Evangelical Christians.

    Sanity in the Southern Baptist Convention can be found with Albert Mohler.

    Mohler’s podcast stands in stark contrast to Moore’s Soros funded bleatings.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Sanity in the Southern Baptist Convention can be found with Albert Mohler.

    Mohler’s podcast stands in stark contrast to Moore’s Soros funded bleatings.

     

    I agree. I listen to Mohler's daily briefing, and he's excellent.
  137. And some people thought the Inquisition was a bad idea.

  138. @Jefferson
    "Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did."

    The Liberals in the comments section of The New York Times just had an orgasm at London electing a Muslim for mayor.

    It's weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims? It must be a Cuck fantasy for Atheists to want to live in a society like Syria or Yemen.

    Atheists who love Muslims remind me of Feminazis who say there is a war on women, yet they only date thugs or bad boys and do not give nice guys the time of the day.

    The smart-set liberal atheists are so conceited in their opinions that they really believe everyone else in the world is just like they are. Hence, for them, “Muslim” is just a sort of cultural moniker designating a penchant for turbans, camels, and living in the desert. Underneath the exterior, every Muslim is really just another liberal cosmopolitan globalist with enlightened ideas.

    These people are so irreligious themselves that they really cannot imagine anyone else actually being religious. Thus, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, Muslims are not really religious people as far as they’re concerned. All that “Allahu Akbar” stuff is instantly transmogrified in their minds into a sort of soccer chant. And Muslims do not wage Jihad against the West for religious reasons, but because they are “an oppressed minority seeking a redress of grievances” in the true ’60s Leftist narrative. The proper thing to do is to throw money at them and give them room to express their discontent. If a few hundred Western civilians get butchered every now and again, that’s just the price we have to pay for our “diversity” (the loss of which would be an even greater catastrophe).

    The only people the smart-set atheists reserve any genuine contempt for are white Christians. Why? Because they are the only ones, in their minds, who are truly religious (read: narrow, bigoted, prejudicial, intolerant). In the morality play which they substitute for reality, white Christians play the role of evil anti-globalist bigot, despite the fact that the entire Roman Catholic pseudo-Church of the Vatican II era, the entire Anglican Communion, and almost all mainstream Protestants and Evangelicals have long ago been cucked when it comes to the globalists’ pet issues of unlimited tolerance and unlimited immigration.

    This all allows us to obtain a clue as to what modern Liberalism really is. It is first and foremost a categorical misreading of reality, an illusion; and furthermore, within that illusion, it is a sappy melodrama devoid of nuance or psychological depth. Nothing is stupider than this rootless urban intelligence. Liberalism is the most pig-headed attitude possible. It is sheer, blind, self-conceit.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @bomag
    Excellent analysis.

    Libs are forevermore enamored of a kind of Rousseauian viewpoint where everyone else in the world is in chains thanks to the White Man; thus their world view starts and ends with battling that entity.
  139. @International Jew
    If Jesus were alive now, he'd probably be an activist in Shalom Achshav.

    (If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)

    That is blasphemous.

  140. Either Whiskeys Place or Occam’s Razor had a thought piece of few years back on how Christianity was becoming loud, brown and obnoxious. This fits right in. Perhaps there’s an opening for the Orthodox Church to appeal to whites.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Wasn't me. What's needed is "American Zionism." Just as I like and admire (Israeli) Jews because they went from meekly going to their doom with a few exceptions ... to fighting for their lives over and over again, we in the West need our own version of Zionism. Involving courage (which even enemies admire) and respect for traditions, values, and heritage of our peoples.

    America is a young country but has given the world much: first men on the moon, modern Christmas, New Year's eve, bbq, long-form television, the blockbuster movie, jazz, blues, rock, Halloween, etc.

    These things are worthy of, if not worship in the place of NAM-Jesus, at least veneration, the way the Japanese and to an extent Israeli Zionists do also.

    American Zionism says that America as it was founded, fought for, bled for, sacrificed for, died for, has value. Meaning. Worthiness. And it is not to be thrown away under sentimental blubberings to cover a cynical attempt to reestablish serfdom by inviting the Third World. Let the Third World create their own wealth and heritage -- ours is ours.

    We ought to emulate Donald Trump who admires and has made an election commercial for Bibi Netanyahu. If Zionism is good for Jews, who have their own country, it is even **BETTER** for Americans who need to fight and win to retain theirs.

    But Christianity is now just worthless, and it has become worthless because of its NAM worship which was always implicit in its universalism and anti-nationalism held within the Bible and Jesus's message. Its not either a Gramscian conspiracy or "the Joooossssss!" but the logical outcome of holding the entirety of the New Testament as the revealed word of God. Nietsche also found fault with what he called a "slave religion."
  141. @Jefferson
    "Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did."

    The Liberals in the comments section of The New York Times just had an orgasm at London electing a Muslim for mayor.

    It's weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims? It must be a Cuck fantasy for Atheists to want to live in a society like Syria or Yemen.

    Atheists who love Muslims remind me of Feminazis who say there is a war on women, yet they only date thugs or bad boys and do not give nice guys the time of the day.

    “It’s weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims?”

    Enemy of my enemy is my friend. The atheist rainbow left hates Christians because we don’t celebrate their sundry alternative deathstyles (e.g., sodomy, child rape, abortion, drug abuse), so they are on the side of anyone they perceive as an enemy to their most hated enemy of all. They’re beyond thrilled when they imagine a Christian’s horrified reaction to a musloid mayor. It just makes their day. They don’t care that musloids also don’t pretend to celebrate their various alternative deathstyles — they’re consumed with the momentary thrill of kicking Christians in the throat

    #itsnothing2celebrate

  142. “Go back to Africa” would be screamed at black protesters

    I will need to see explicit video evidence before I believe that this actually happened.

    • Replies: @JimB
    The NYT is trolling white Christian people again. Their writers would never publish "Islam, an Arab religion no more." Try telling Saudi Arabians that Mohammad or Allah is a Somalian.
    , @SAM HOUSTON
    I've had Socialist Jackass Whiners scream GO BACK TO EUROPE! at me.
    , @NOTA
    Why would it matter? If some nut who supports Trump or Hillary or Sanders behaves badly, how could that really tell you whether or not their candidate is fit for office?
    , @Mr. Anon
    "I will need to see explicit video evidence before I believe that this actually happened."

    Yeah, I don't believe that claim either, anymore than I believe that Ku Klux Klansmen wander around the Oberlin campus.

  143. @WGG
    Russell Moore is spot on in this article... with his impression of Dana Carvey's famous Church Lady character. "Who else doesn't like his home being invaded by foreigners, could it be... SATAN...ATAN...atan??!"

    Seriously did this guy, in God's name, just endorse the live-birth-abortion candidate because "muh racism"? This charlatan is deceiver and a pagan. Whatever abstract set of ideals Moore worships in his heart of hearts, its name is not Christ or Yahweh.

    Let's see. First, I should point out that the God of the Bible is a tribalist. He does not endorse letting other tribes infiltrate and corrupt the culture; He is explicitly against it. Second, God despises a rebellious heart. That is an appropriate description for these illegal aliens. They are rebels against authority, and thieves of a public trust which does not belong to them. They have stolen the opportunity to come here from those who wait in proper lines. And of course they have stolen jobs which by law do not belong to them.

    Third, the hymn says in CHRIST there is no East or West, but Muslims are idolaters. Many Latin Americans are as well, with their participation in mild witchcraft using curanderas, some even worshipping Pancho Villa and Santa Muerte. Don't believe me? I'll send you the candles. We have no Christian obligations to allow these idolaters and thieves to corrupt our society. Sending money or mission trips to help them in their own countries is appropriate- allowing them to further destroy the West is not, especially not by Biblical standards.

    If Trump reminds me of anyone in the Bible, it is King David, for although Trump has flaws, he also exudes joy. God loved David for his joyfulness, and He loves Trump, too.

    Please, you’re not being very fair to pagans.

    • Replies: @SFG
    'Pagan' in evangelical Christian rhetoric usually means 'barbarian'--ruled by the appetites and loving only power. Remember, Christians were initially reacting against the Roman Empire.

    It actually does describe a real constellation of views, I think--more or less what you would expect from any organism according to evolution. It fits the Christian idea that Christianity fights against man's animal nature.

    Comments from people who know more than me welcome.

  144. @This Is Our Home
    London will never have a non-Muslim Mayor again.

    The reasons are complex but only to be compounded over time.

    1. Muslims in Britain are perhaps the most politically organised community and vote at far higher rates than others. At least when engaged.

    2. Turnout in the mayoral election is quite low overall.

    This means that Khan required only 1.1 million votes to win in a landslide and that a majority of his votes could well have been Muslims. He probably could have won with just 1 mill.

    After all

    3. London has at least 1.2 million Muslims. Of whom 800 thousand are probably of voting age. I can guarantee that 650 thousand of that voted because they really do get out the vote and therefore that Khan received about 600 thousand Muslim votes.

    This makes him a shoe-in to win reelection in 4 years when the very fast growing Muslim population is even bigger. And it means that in 8 years when he has to step down Muslims will form a strong plurality and still vote as a 90 percent block. Getting that block to vote for you will require you to be Muslim and in a city as diverse as London there are no other significant blocks left to stand as a counter weight.

    Perhaps if house prices become even more ludicrous the Muslims will start to move to other parts of the country and once that builds momentum many will move but that is just a thought.

    To be honest, it is better that our politics reflects our demographics. It makes everything more honest and open. It is also good that the Mayor does not control immigration policy...

    You are quite right.

  145. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Ethics at America’s premier college.

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/harvard-imposes-pc-blacklist-on-off-campus-groups/

    itasc

    is this a serious country?

  146. @This Is Our Home
    London will never have a non-Muslim Mayor again.

    The reasons are complex but only to be compounded over time.

    1. Muslims in Britain are perhaps the most politically organised community and vote at far higher rates than others. At least when engaged.

    2. Turnout in the mayoral election is quite low overall.

    This means that Khan required only 1.1 million votes to win in a landslide and that a majority of his votes could well have been Muslims. He probably could have won with just 1 mill.

    After all

    3. London has at least 1.2 million Muslims. Of whom 800 thousand are probably of voting age. I can guarantee that 650 thousand of that voted because they really do get out the vote and therefore that Khan received about 600 thousand Muslim votes.

    This makes him a shoe-in to win reelection in 4 years when the very fast growing Muslim population is even bigger. And it means that in 8 years when he has to step down Muslims will form a strong plurality and still vote as a 90 percent block. Getting that block to vote for you will require you to be Muslim and in a city as diverse as London there are no other significant blocks left to stand as a counter weight.

    Perhaps if house prices become even more ludicrous the Muslims will start to move to other parts of the country and once that builds momentum many will move but that is just a thought.

    To be honest, it is better that our politics reflects our demographics. It makes everything more honest and open. It is also good that the Mayor does not control immigration policy...

    I find it hard to believe they’re more politically organized than Jews. Also do the various Muslim nationalities really have much in common? Sure they’ll all vote for a Muslim against an Englishman, but that’s not saying much.

  147. @This Is Our Home
    London will never have a non-Muslim Mayor again.

    The reasons are complex but only to be compounded over time.

    1. Muslims in Britain are perhaps the most politically organised community and vote at far higher rates than others. At least when engaged.

    2. Turnout in the mayoral election is quite low overall.

    This means that Khan required only 1.1 million votes to win in a landslide and that a majority of his votes could well have been Muslims. He probably could have won with just 1 mill.

    After all

    3. London has at least 1.2 million Muslims. Of whom 800 thousand are probably of voting age. I can guarantee that 650 thousand of that voted because they really do get out the vote and therefore that Khan received about 600 thousand Muslim votes.

    This makes him a shoe-in to win reelection in 4 years when the very fast growing Muslim population is even bigger. And it means that in 8 years when he has to step down Muslims will form a strong plurality and still vote as a 90 percent block. Getting that block to vote for you will require you to be Muslim and in a city as diverse as London there are no other significant blocks left to stand as a counter weight.

    Perhaps if house prices become even more ludicrous the Muslims will start to move to other parts of the country and once that builds momentum many will move but that is just a thought.

    To be honest, it is better that our politics reflects our demographics. It makes everything more honest and open. It is also good that the Mayor does not control immigration policy...

    I don’t know whether this is true or not but someone posted here a few days ago claiming that the Muslim percentage in London has leveled off. It is due to a lot of non-Muslim immigration from Eastern Europe, Poland, Africa, Sikhs, etc.

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
    Muslims have become the welfare class of London. Many are not of course, but many are just peasant villagers subsisting off the state instead of fields and swelling their numbers through cousin marriage from back home and high birthrates. They are the real grounded residents of London now. The English working classes have mostly left.
  148. White nationalists need a whiter religion.

    True, but we need to reform Christianity, too. It will be much easier to reform the faith of millions of white Christians than to persuade them to leave their religion. This is helped by the fact that most of Christianity in its current forms is heresy, and ethnic particularism runs all through Scripture.

    Leftists are largely non-Christian, and hostile to the faith, but they didn’t satisfy themselves with abandoning Christianity. They did the smart thing and turned it to their own ends.

    Remember that all of the attraction of the left from a Christian point of view originates in Christianity itself — equality of believers; compassion and care for the poor and oppressed; seeking peace on earth — but the left empties out and twists these virtues into cruel caricatures. Never the less, some Christians convince themselves that this time their sophisticated lefty temptors are sincere . . . .

    Equality of believers is easily replaced with equality of nations. A great many racial nationalists ascribe to a universalist belief in states and nationalisms for all peoples.

    Compassion and care for the poor and oppressed don’t demand national suicide.

    Peace on Earth is more compatible with racial nationalism than with Diversity or multiculturalism, since the latter are recipes for strife (see Tower of Babel for a Scriptural warning, if reality isn’t guide enough).

    Forget this Xtianity stuff. I’m a pagan. An italian/kraut pagan and proud of it.

    For many ethnopatriots, Christianity is repellent because 1) all they know is the current leftist heresies, and little about Scripture, and 2) their ethnopatriotism comes first, so they look for a less subverted religion. But the ethnopatriots who are militantly anti-Christian are making a tactical error; it will be far easier to peel ethnocentric white Christians away from Christianity using ethnopatriotic ideas than it would be to peel anti-ethnocentric white Christians away from Christianity using ethnopatriotic ideas.

    Paulus (or St. Paul) had the grace to say that he wanted to be “a Jew to the Jews and a Greek to the Greeks”.

    Interesting. One might infer that God does the same.

    These people are so irreligious themselves that they really cannot imagine anyone else actually being religious.

    Maybe. Or maybe what they’re blind to is their own religiosity. Their religion being leftism, of which it is an article of faith to uncritically accept the other, as long as he votes in unison.

    Of course, he won’t always vote in unison. Eventually he will turn on the white leftists.

    The only people the smart-set atheists reserve any genuine contempt for are white Christians.

    The left always eats its own. See Soviet Union, Chi-coms, etc.

  149. This is good in a way, we need to realize that Christianity is the enemy and always has been, despite what paleos and nostalgists say.

  150. @Elvis Nixon
    Russell Moore hated Cruz even more. Russell Moore apparently thought Rubio was the obvious choice for Evangelical Christians.

    Sanity in the Southern Baptist Convention can be found with Albert Mohler.

    Mohler's podcast stands in stark contrast to Moore's Soros funded bleatings.

    Sanity in the Southern Baptist Convention can be found with Albert Mohler.

    Mohler’s podcast stands in stark contrast to Moore’s Soros funded bleatings.

    I agree. I listen to Mohler’s daily briefing, and he’s excellent.

    • Replies: @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    If you listen to Mohler, and you think he's excellent, you're not listening very often.

    Mohler, far from being "excellent" is filled with about as much anti-white hatred as Moore. But unlike Moore, he doesn't shout if from every housetop 24/7.

    Mohler denounces the Confederate flag (but then turns around and says he won't remove all the honors and monuments to slaveowners at the seminary he runs, because he doesn't want to lose donations or his job) http://pulpitandpen.org/2015/06/23/mohler-says-he-will-not-remove-racist-names-still-demands-removal-of-flag/

    He says police brutality against blacks is a huge problem in America. He babbled nonsense about Trayvon and Ferguson repeatedly. Says white cops love to shoot unarmed black kids. http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/07/15/the-central-tragedy-of-this-case-remains-trayvon-martin-belongs-to-us-all/

    He pushes perversions like interracial marriage and transracial adoption.

    He constantly goes on about the "wickedness" of "racism".

    However, unlike Moore, Mohler and John Piper, the other well known evangelical promoter of anti-white hatred, appear to have learned a lesson after both Trayvon and Michael Brown blew up in their face. Mohler and Piper, while not retracting any of the hateful things they have written about whites in the past, have certainly gotten a lot less vocal about "racism" and "police brutality" over the last year or so. But make no mistake - they still believe this garbage. They just got tired of being embarrassed over and over by taking up the cause of all these poor innocent black children, only to have them into "piece a shit" cases.

    But Moore hasn't learned a thing.
    , @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Sanity in the Southern Baptist Convention can be found with Albert Mohler.
     
    You couldn't be more wrong.

    Mohler is rabidly anti-white, too. Maybe he doesn't foam at the mouth quite as badly as Moore, but he's essentially no different.

    Denounced the "epidemic" of "innocent black men" being gunned down by police.

    Denounced the Confederate flag. (But refuses to shit in his own backyard - he won't take down the names and monuments to slaveholders all over the college and seminary he heads up. Doesn't want to lose his job or donations.)

    Pushes interracial marriage and transracial adoption.

    Google his name with "Trayvon" or "Ferguson" and check it out for yourself. He was pushing the hate whitey narrative hard during those days. But, unlike Moore, after Ferguson blew up in his face and made a fool of him, after Trayvon did the same thing, Mohler had sense enough to put a sock in it for a while. He hasn't retracted anything, but he certainly hasn't been nearly as vocal.

    But he hates white people almost as much as Moore does.
  151. Flee Evangelical Christianity. Run.

  152. The man on the throne of Russell Moore’s heart is George Soros.

    My God commands “Love your neighbor as you love yourself”.

    Russell Moore’s god commands “Support foreign policies that result in the ethnic cleansing of Syrian Christians, support immigration policies that result in the repeated unpunished gang rape of pre-teen English girls, and support trade policies that impoverish working class American communities.”

    My God loves all nations, including America.

    Russell Moore’s god hates all nations, especially America.

  153. biz says:
    @Pat Casey
    I used to date a girl whose dad would let you start getting to know him by saying "I've been a part of three cults in my life: West Point, the Masons, and Amway. He explained to me the real root of Christian Zionism as inhering in some second-rate commentary that got stuck in some unneeded translation of the bible which now bizarrely dominates Evangelical understanding of what is and should be going on in the world. It was interesting stuff and is still interesting because only the Masons know how to track that particular translation of the bible down. Go ahead and try. Go ahead and try to find anywhere in the Bible it talks about fucking zionism. As everyone who does the reading right should know, the question believers should care about now is only the time lag between when the rainbow angel swears to God he knows and accepts his fate, the time lag between that and when the seventh angel sounds. Because the third woe cometh quickly.

    Anyone ever consider what six six six at speed sounds like? It sounds like it sounds in all the tongues across Christendom.

    Go ahead and try to find anywhere in the Bible it talks about fucking zionism.

    “A hungry person dreams of eating but wakes up still hungry. A thirsty person dreams of drinking but is still faint from thirst when morning comes. So it will be with your enemies, with those who attack Mount Zion.”
    – Isaiah 29:8

    “Sing aloud, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel! Rejoice and exult with all your heart, O daughter of Jerusalem! The Lord has taken away the judgments against you; he has cleared away your enemies.”
    – Zephaniah 3:14

    And that’s Old Testament, neglecting the stuff in Revelations etc. that many interpret as Israel should be restored to make way for the second coming.

  154. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Jesus was as tough on the Jews and the poor as on the rich, the powerful\, and the Romans.

    According to Jesus, being poor and oppressed didn’t necessarily make one good and holy. It had to a matter of the heart.
    Being poor and oppressed is a physical condition. One could be poor but dream of wealth. One could be powerless but dream of power and domination.

    For Jesus, the only kind of goodness was self-chosen poverty(than the poverty of failure or mere oppression) and voluntary powerlessness. One’s soul had to make peace with poverty and humility as eternal goods. Only then could the soul be good. Only when one was at peace with having little and seeking no power, even amidst political oppression.

    But that is not the Christianity of today. The poor and have-lesses constantly bitch for more as they look to rich people as their model. Instead of accepting poverty as an ideal, the poor wanna be like rich celebrities.
    And the powerless clamor for more power because they are worldly.
    And they are filled with moral vanity and pride on the basis that having less or belonging to some official ‘victim’ group makes them holy and justified. Jesus railed against pride, esp moral pride. The only way to true morality was humility, not through holier-than-thou pride.

    According to true Christianity…
    The poor who want wealth cannot be good.
    The powerless who crave power cannot be good.
    To be good, it isn’t enough to be physically poor and powerless.
    One had to happily accept poverty and powerlessness as the good. And then one had serve God through prayer and leave it up to Him to sort it out.

    Now, that kind of faith is too demanding…

    so maybe what the West is something like the bubblegum faith.

    Sylia and Priss are great archetypes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL4pxh24TtA

  155. @Taco

    “Go back to Africa” would be screamed at black protesters
     
    I will need to see explicit video evidence before I believe that this actually happened.

    The NYT is trolling white Christian people again. Their writers would never publish “Islam, an Arab religion no more.” Try telling Saudi Arabians that Mohammad or Allah is a Somalian.

  156. Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only.

    This is true of almost all so-called Christians today, who follow leftist heresies, instead of the Scripture. Ethnopatriots are much closer to the true faith, because they haven’t embraced heresy and rejected the ethnic particularism found all through the Bible. In this, they are similar to the Jews, who are very particularist. Real Christians know this, somewhere, deep down. They know that a just God would not set up just a single, Chosen people in the ethno-state of Israel, and everyone else in diversity land. They know deep down that ethno-states are His plan for everyone. That He dissolved the old covenant with the formerly-chosen people, and wrote a new one with all peoples.

    Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Jesus said his piece, and he never condemned nativism or anti-immigration. But there is evidence that he was a racial nationalist. He told the foreign woman that he would not heal her daughter, because he had come “for the sons of Israel.” He only relented when she acknowledged her people’s inferiority by begging for scraps from the master’s table, like a dog. Then there is the parable of the Good Samaritan, which is laughably misinterpreted by the Christian heretics. The Samaritans were a sort of quasi-Jewish ethnic group, and many “pure” Jews despised them for it (after all, it’s not the distant other who pose the greatest threat of assimilation and amalgamation, but the nearest other). If Jesus had wanted to tell a parable about the virtues of Diversity, he had a great many more-distant others to choose among; the Levant was the crossroads of the world. He could have told a parable about the Good Ethiopian, the Good Hindu, the Good Persian, the Good Nubian, etc. Instead he chose the Samaritans, a group indistinguishable from the Hebrews to distant-other eyes, because he was making a point roughly equivalent to a pan-European WN arguing against a strict racial nationalist (say, a National Socialist) that Europeans are all in this together, and shouldn’t war among themselves when so many non-white groups are warring against all of Europe. It’s unfortunate that the heretics have managed to sell their 180 degrees wrong interpretation to the sheep.

    Christ also said all the old (OT) law is still valid. You know, like the laws that foreign religions and cultures must be smashed and run out of the land of the faithful. A strong message of intolerance.

  157. @International Jew
    If Jesus were alive now, he'd probably be an activist in Shalom Achshav.

    (If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)

    He is alive now.

    • Replies: @SFG
    If he agreed with you, he'd be the International Christian.
  158. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    I don’t need no stinkin’ Baptism.

    I have my own religion, Polly-theism.

    And now I speak unto you the Truth of Polly.

    These are the hardcore truths without the flaky assurances one finds in New Age fads.

    We believe in heaven and hell, and the sinners according to the church of Polly shall be condemned for all eternity.

    And now hear ye, for I shall reveal the truth that is the only true truth, the violation of which shall bring upon you punishment worse than a date with Lena Dunham or Lindsey Graham.

    If you support the homo agenda, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support open borders, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support amnesty for illegals, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support more wars for Israel, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support excessive race-mixing, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you listen to gangsta rap , YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you believe Bruce Jenner is a woman, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you voted for Obama, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you won’t stop eating pork, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL. (pigs are too smart like dogs)

    If you are a fan of Star Trek, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you liked the new Star Wars movie, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you accept the regression to the bean, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support BLM, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you think Madmen is the best TV show ever, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support a new cold war with Russia, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support Merkel, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you condemn Orban, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you read NYT other than to mock it, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you are into grunge culture, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you are a fan of post-Reservoir tarantino, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    • Replies: @merlin
    Polly wanna cracker? (Or is Polly a cracker?)
    , @Palerider1861
    Perfect, except the word "excessive" is itself excessive!
  159. @Jimi

    There are not-so-coded messages denouncing African-Americans and immigrants;
     
    Can anyone produce a single quote anywhere in which Trump denounces African-Americans? Harbinger of the campaign where Left will simply make up stuff about Trump.

    Because those messages were only “not-so coded” Moore was able to decipher them. If they were fully coded he wouldn’t have had a clue. Need to tell the Trump camp to increase their coding level up to 11. That should fix the problem.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Like the racist dog who always detects the racist dog-whistle...
  160. @Paul Mendez
    At least Russell Moore seems willing to wait until I die of natural causes before he consigns me to Eternal Damnation.

    The next six months are going to be a hell of a ride. As Trump rises in the polls, the visceral, spit-spraying anger will get worse and worse.

    Anybody who doubts Trump's patriotism should chew on this: I suspect Trump's chances of death or serious injury between now and the election are greater than police officers, firefighters or military personnel overseas. He is literally laying his life on the line for his country.

    If Trump is killed, I feel there will be a Revolution. Or at least some ugliness… But that’s been said many times, and Americans are incredibly Cucked nowadays. We will see…

  161. “As the years marched on, the area became majority black.”

    I’d like to know what the crime rate was when Whites were the majority and what it is now.

    “Those neighbors now had no interest in bailing out a congregation with a ministry too cowardly to speak up for righteousness when it had seemed too costly to do so.”

    You mean like how Black church congregations cover up the fact that 85% of the victims of interracial violent crimeare White? Or that THOUSANDS of White women are raped every year by Black men yet the number of Black women
    raped by White men is statistically zero! Or how Hispanic church congregations cover up for the massive Hispanic illegal population in America. Or the massive drug trafficking into America they engage in. Or the fact that their presence heredrives down wages and drives up taxes! I guess when “righteousness” is too costly for Colored people THEN it’s REALLY
    too costly!

    “This election has cast light on the darkness of pent-up nativism and bigotry all over the country.”

    You mean like when illegal Mexican immigrants violently disrupt Trump political rallies while waving the MEXICAN flag?

    “concern about racial justice and national unity is ridiculed as “political correctness.” ”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You can’t have “unity” if you have diversity!

    “Many of those who have criticized Mr. Trump’s vision for America have faced threats and intimidation from the “alt-right” of white supremacists and nativists who hide behind avatars on social media.”

    Many of those (including yours truly) who have supported Mr. Trump’s vision for America have faced threats and intimidation from the “anti-racist” left of Brown supremacists and foreign irredentists who hide behind avatars on
    social media.

    “The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech did not envision that more than 50 years later”

    That 55% of all violent crime in America would be committed by Black men!

    “The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin.”

    In other words Whites are being ethnically cleansed from their own country. What would Jesus think of THAT?

    “American Christianity faces a test of whether we will identify as Christians first.”

    As opposed to identifying as AMERICANS first?

    “The man on the throne in heaven is a dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking “foreigner” who is probably not all that impressed by chants of “Make America great again.””

    Except he wasn’t a foreigner in ISRAEL!!!!!!! And I don’t think he approved of the occupation of the Holy Land by the ROMANS! You know the FOREIGNERS who CRUCIFIED HIM??????!!!!!!!

    In conclusion I’d just like to know how much money Russell Moore or his organization received from the likes of George Soros or Sheldon Adelson etc., etc.

  162. @Jefferson
    "Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did."

    The Liberals in the comments section of The New York Times just had an orgasm at London electing a Muslim for mayor.

    It's weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims? It must be a Cuck fantasy for Atheists to want to live in a society like Syria or Yemen.

    Atheists who love Muslims remind me of Feminazis who say there is a war on women, yet they only date thugs or bad boys and do not give nice guys the time of the day.

    “It’s weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.”

    Once you understand that liberals are solely motivated by hatred of straight, white, Christian males, it all makes perfect sense.

  163. @ChrisZ
    Is Moore considered to be on the Left? He was one of the contributors to the notorious "Against Trump" hissy-fit at National Review. He was contemptible enough then; with this he sinks to a new depth.

    It's a great irony that the hysterical reaction to Trump among self-proclaimed "principled conservatives" has exposed how much they've always been in it for fame and money. I hope Moore got a thrill from his little NYT byline.

    What this farce has convinced me of is that’s how every ideology ends up. “Principled conservatives” are making the short, happy journey to social democracy and cultural Marxism.

    Trump is offering a pragmatic, nationalist conservatism which is associated with classic nation-state politics.

    • Replies: @Bert
    I'd like to add that it's also crystallized how much the term "constitutional conservative" has become essentially the same as "loyal unquestioned Republican party hack".
  164. @Taco

    “Go back to Africa” would be screamed at black protesters
     
    I will need to see explicit video evidence before I believe that this actually happened.

    I’ve had Socialist Jackass Whiners scream GO BACK TO EUROPE! at me.

  165. @NickG

    CS Lewis handled it best when he said that you should not ask for forgiveness, or had penance demanded from you, for a sin which you have in no sense done.
     
    Lewis rejecting vicarious guilt as tosh. Which - given that he was a famous apologist for vicarious redemption - is ironic, if you think about it.

    Lewis should have stuck to writing fantasy novels.

    I suppose you don’t believe in vaccination, then either.

    Perhaps some more thought on the matter wouldn’t hurt.

  166. Anon7 says:
    @This Is Our Home
    London will never have a non-Muslim Mayor again.

    The reasons are complex but only to be compounded over time.

    1. Muslims in Britain are perhaps the most politically organised community and vote at far higher rates than others. At least when engaged.

    2. Turnout in the mayoral election is quite low overall.

    This means that Khan required only 1.1 million votes to win in a landslide and that a majority of his votes could well have been Muslims. He probably could have won with just 1 mill.

    After all

    3. London has at least 1.2 million Muslims. Of whom 800 thousand are probably of voting age. I can guarantee that 650 thousand of that voted because they really do get out the vote and therefore that Khan received about 600 thousand Muslim votes.

    This makes him a shoe-in to win reelection in 4 years when the very fast growing Muslim population is even bigger. And it means that in 8 years when he has to step down Muslims will form a strong plurality and still vote as a 90 percent block. Getting that block to vote for you will require you to be Muslim and in a city as diverse as London there are no other significant blocks left to stand as a counter weight.

    Perhaps if house prices become even more ludicrous the Muslims will start to move to other parts of the country and once that builds momentum many will move but that is just a thought.

    To be honest, it is better that our politics reflects our demographics. It makes everything more honest and open. It is also good that the Mayor does not control immigration policy...

    Sadiq Khan won on the fifth round of voting. I don’t have the foggiest idea how their election process works. If you compare the 2001 and 2011 census results, it certainly looks like Muslims have a incipient demographic edge.

    Khan’s selection as a candidate was seen as part of a wider move towards the left in Labour that emerged during the leadership election that followed Miliband’s resignation.[29] Key policies that Khan has proposed include a London ‘living rent’;[34] a quota system for ethnic minority officers in the Metropolitan Police;[35] increased home building;[36] and a campaign for a London Living Wage.[37] Commentators raised Khan’s Muslim religion as a potential barrier to election, after a poll (not mentioning Khan by name) suggested that 31% of Londoners would be ‘uncomfortable’ with a Muslim mayor.[38] Khan, who was London’s first Muslim MP, argued that the election of a Muslim could encourage London to become recognised as a more cosmopolitan city.[38] While Khan previously stated that he would serve a full term as MP for Tooting if he were to become Mayor of London,[39] he has since said he would stand down as MP for Tooting if he was elected Mayor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_mayoral_election,_2016)

    Here’s a bit more about London’s religious mix:

    According to the 2011 Census, the largest religious groupings are Christians (48.4 per cent), followed by those of no religion (20.7 per cent), no response (8.5 per cent), Muslims (12.4 per cent), Hindus (5.0 per cent), Jews (1.8 per cent), Sikhs (1.5 per cent), Buddhists (1.0 per cent) and other (0.6 per cent).[1]

    In 2001, the numbers were respectively Christians (58.2 per cent), followed by those of no religion (15.8 per cent), no response (8.7 per cent), Muslims (8.5 per cent), Hindus (4.1 per cent), Jews (2.1 per cent), Sikhs (1.5 per cent), Buddhists (0.8 per cent) and other (0.5 per cent).

    Islam is London’s second largest religion. 38% of England’s Muslims live in London, where they represent 12.4% of the population. There were 1,012,823 Muslims reported in the 2011 census in the Greater London area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_London

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
    I know how it works and Sadiq Khan won in an absolute landslide.
  167. fish says:
    @Bugg
    Nothing good ever happens on Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. -

    http://abc7ny.com/news/2-arrested-in-murder-of-njit-student/1326736/

    “……Micalizzi was a second-year mechanical engineering major on the dean’s list at NJIT. He is originally from Freehold Township in Monmouth County.”

    Tally of the evenings festivities….

    SOCIETAL FINAL SCORE –

    – 1 FUTURE MECHANICAL ENGINEER

    +2 DINDU NUFFINS @ 90K/YR IN THE PENAL SYSTEM

    Sounds like everything is working just fine “Fundamentally Transformed” wise.

  168. @Tracy
    Matthew 26: [36] Then Jesus came with them into a country place which is called Gethsemani; and he said to his disciples: Sit you here, till I go yonder and pray. [37] And taking with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, he began to grow sorrowful and to be sad. [38] Then he saith to them: My soul is sorrowful even unto death: stay you here, and watch with me. [39] And going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. [40] And he cometh to his disciples, and findeth them asleep, and he saith to Peter: What? Could you not watch one hour with me?

    [41] Watch ye, and pray that ye enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh weak. [42] Again the second time, he went and prayed, saying: My Father, if this chalice may not pass away, but I must drink it, thy will be done. [43] And he cometh again and findeth them sleeping: for their eyes were heavy. [44] And leaving them, he went again: and he prayed the third time, saying the selfsame word. [45] Then he cometh to his disciples, and saith to them: Sleep ye now and take your rest; behold the hour is at hand, and the Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of sinners.

    [46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me. [47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the ancients of the people. [48] And he that betrayed him, gave them a sign, saying: Whomsoever I shall kiss, that is he, hold him fast. [49] And forthwith coming to Jesus, he said: Hail, Rabbi. And he kissed him. [50] And Jesus said to him: Friend, whereto art thou come? Then they came up, and laid hands on Jesus, and held him.

    [51] And behold one of them that were with Jesus, stretching forth his hand, drew out his sword: and striking the servant of the high priest, cut off his ear. [52] Then Jesus saith to him: Put up again thy sword into its place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword. [53] Thinkest thou that I cannot ask my Father, and he will give me presently more than twelve legions of angels? [54] How then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that so it must be done?

    Ugh. What’s the tldr version?

    • Replies: @candid_observer

    Ugh. What’s the tldr version?
     
    The Word of God is a Yawn.

    Or, in Hebrew, Yahwen.

  169. @WGG
    Russell Moore is spot on in this article... with his impression of Dana Carvey's famous Church Lady character. "Who else doesn't like his home being invaded by foreigners, could it be... SATAN...ATAN...atan??!"

    Seriously did this guy, in God's name, just endorse the live-birth-abortion candidate because "muh racism"? This charlatan is deceiver and a pagan. Whatever abstract set of ideals Moore worships in his heart of hearts, its name is not Christ or Yahweh.

    Let's see. First, I should point out that the God of the Bible is a tribalist. He does not endorse letting other tribes infiltrate and corrupt the culture; He is explicitly against it. Second, God despises a rebellious heart. That is an appropriate description for these illegal aliens. They are rebels against authority, and thieves of a public trust which does not belong to them. They have stolen the opportunity to come here from those who wait in proper lines. And of course they have stolen jobs which by law do not belong to them.

    Third, the hymn says in CHRIST there is no East or West, but Muslims are idolaters. Many Latin Americans are as well, with their participation in mild witchcraft using curanderas, some even worshipping Pancho Villa and Santa Muerte. Don't believe me? I'll send you the candles. We have no Christian obligations to allow these idolaters and thieves to corrupt our society. Sending money or mission trips to help them in their own countries is appropriate- allowing them to further destroy the West is not, especially not by Biblical standards.

    If Trump reminds me of anyone in the Bible, it is King David, for although Trump has flaws, he also exudes joy. God loved David for his joyfulness, and He loves Trump, too.

    “This charlatan is deceiver and a pagan.”

    As a Heathen I won’t tolerate this bigoted comparison! You will be subjected to the Blood Eagle! 😉

    • Replies: @WGG
    Calling him a pagan isn't a slur against pagans, it is to simply point out that he has no credibility or authority within Christianity. As a Christian, I see pagan gods as creations of the human imagination. As creative psychic manifestations of human desires, some are noble and some are not. This fool Moore's gods are not noble. His pagan gods are called "Validation from Rich and Powerful" "Leftist Values" and of course "His own Ego". That is a very ignoble pantheon. He didn't even try to quote scripture to back up his leftist dogma. Funny that.

    Anyway, there are many beautiful religions in the world. Marxism and Leftism are some of the ugly ones. But as I stated before, Christians are under no mandate to play host to pagans of any kind- quite the opposite.

    "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them." Jeremiah 10:2. Don't learn their ways, yet we should give them (democratic) power to rule over us? I don't think so.

    Is the blood eagle still considered a punishment? I think the Pear of Anguish is making a comeback in the growing sexual perv/ degenerate community. I just can't keep up.
  170. @Jefferson
    "Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did."

    The Liberals in the comments section of The New York Times just had an orgasm at London electing a Muslim for mayor.

    It's weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims? It must be a Cuck fantasy for Atheists to want to live in a society like Syria or Yemen.

    Atheists who love Muslims remind me of Feminazis who say there is a war on women, yet they only date thugs or bad boys and do not give nice guys the time of the day.

    NY Times readers are provincial, and poorly educated, that is they graduated from the best American universities in the liberal arts. So they are dismissive and contemptuous of the two worldviews that they are familiar with but whose followers disagree with them. Christianity and Orthodox (non-liberal) Judaism. How can you disagree with the “beautiful people”? The beautiful people also love brown skinned people (from very afar). Now they do not know anything about Islam (as I said they are poorly educated) except they believe it comes from the third world, its adherents are mostly brown skinned, and it hates Christianity and Judaism. So Islam checks all the boxes as something that is very good in their minds.

  171. @Anon87
    OT: Hate Hoax follow up. Students plead not guilty in UAlbany bus attack. Whatever you do, you MUST click on this link

    OT: Hate Hoax follow up. Students plead not guilty in UAlbany bus attack. Whatever you do, you MUST click on this link

    She dindu nuffin.

    Loyalty to the narrative is impervious to evidence.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    The three Albany students in the latest hate hoax have been tossed out of school - two permanently. Finally a school administrations with the cojones to do the right thing.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/6/university-at-albany-expels-students-indicted-in-h/

    I am sure this story will lead the network news tonight, and be featured front page above the fold in tomorrow's NYT and Wapo. Bwahahahahahaha!
  172. One thing I’ve become curious about is the scope of the so-called Alt-Right movement — which is clearly going to get a lot more attention in the months to come — and years to come, should Trump prevail (and likely even if he doesn’t, given his level of support in the US — winning the Republican nomination in something of a breeze considering his opposition from the powers-that-be is pretty hard not to notice).

    What are the sites which best represent that movement? Obviously, Unz is one such, maybe the most prominent, as well as VDare and Takis — but where else?

    Any suggestions? It would be nice to compose a list. (Maybe it already exists?)

    Also, a compilation of Alt-Left sites would be good. (Personally, I’m far more Alt-left than anything else.)

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Trump himself impresses me as being Alt-Center.
    , @candid_observer
    I guess one obvious issue is: how does one define Alt-*?

    My guess is that the underlying common feature is a form of citizenism -- a commitment to the idea that a nation's interests and goals are properly represented by the authentic interests of its citizens. This particular commitment assumes a number of other things, can be justified in several ways (HBD being an obvious, but not necessary, one), and has a number of important consequences. But it does seem to be the consistent underlying feature of Alt-* thinking.

    , @Anonym
    I would say breitbart.com is an alt-right site, though how much it will reliably be so in the future is a very open question. I would not be surprised if they attempt a swing to the GOPe in future, when the owners judge the time is right.
    , @SFG
    Anatoly Karlin is more or less an alt-lefter, but I don't know of anyone else who is.

    It's also a matter of how far out you want to go. I think 'between Breitbart and Stormfront' is probably a good operational definition.

  173. The next thing you know, we’re gonna hear that Dracula was black.

    • Replies: @fish

    The next thing you know, we’re gonna hear that Dracula was black.

     



    Already heard it ........back in 1972!



    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068284/?ref_=nv_sr_1
    , @Priss Factor
    Oh, where have you been? That is old.

    It was done already with Blacula.

    I saw it with a bunch of Negroes.

    There's a scene where a white detective notices that one of the vampires is a fellow cop and hesitates to kill him.

    The frightened(and howling) Negroes were hollering, 'kill him, kill him'.

    https://youtu.be/n92XBsqbSF4?t=1m55s
  174. @Tracy
    And that's why I'm glad to be a Catholic, a member of a religion that has Tradition and the Magisterium along with Sacred Scripture instead of "sola scriptura." The Catholic Church teaches (in spite of what many in today's Vatican wish, including the Pope himself) that subsidiarity is key to political thinking. Catholic teaching doesn't gibe with what Steve calls "leapfrogging loyalties" (see The Morality of Everyday Life, from Culture Wars.

    There's a reason why God dealt with the Tower of Babel as He did.

    And that’s why I’m glad to be a Catholic, a member of a religion that has Tradition and the Magisterium

    Way back, around 1970, our Sunday School class took a field trip to a local Catholic church — part of our diversity curriculum I guess. They were doing their mass and it was really packed. A few things struck me:

    1. Everyone was casually dressed. Some more casual than the dress codes of the public schools of the time. I remember thinking, Don’t these people have any respect, to come dressed like shlumpers.

    2. Some of the prayers were all too familiar; Christians have ripped off some of our best material.

    3. The priest (who met with us afterward) appeared not to be wearing any underwear under his dark robe; when he moved, you could see a large object swinging where his crotch must have been.

    4. They weren’t praying in Latin. Huge disappointment.

  175. Who were the Samaritans and why were they important?

    The Samaritans were a racially mixed [sic; they were probably less racially different from the Hebrews of the time than the Palestinians are from Middle Eastern Jews today] society with Jewish and pagan ancestry. Although they worshiped Yahweh as did the Jews, their religion was not mainstream Judaism. They accepted only the first five books of the Bible as canonical, and their temple was on Mount Gerazim instead of on Mount Zion in Jerusalem (Jn 4:20).

    The Samaritans of Jesus’ day were strict monotheists. In some respects they were more strict than Jews about the commands of the Mosaic law, especially the sabbath regulations, but they did not share the Jewish stricture against pronouncing the divine name Yahweh in their oaths.

    Because of their imperfect adherence to Judaism and their partly pagan ancestry, the Samaritans were despised by ordinary Jews. Rather than contaminate themselves by passing through Samaritan territory, Jews who were traveling from Judea to Galilee or vice versa would cross over the river Jordan, bypass Samaria by going through Transjordan, and cross over the river again as they neared their destination. The Samaritans also harbored antipathy toward the Jews (Lk 9:52-53).

    That the Samaritans were separated from and looked down upon by the Jews makes them important in the New Testament. Jesus indicated a new attitude must be taken toward the Samaritans when he passed through their towns instead of crossing the Jordan to avoid them (Jn 4:4-5), when he spoke with a Samaritan woman, contrary to Jewish custom (Jn 4:9), and when he said a time would come when worshiping in Jerusalem or on Mount Gerazim would not be important (Jn 4:21-24). When asked whom to regard as our neighbor, Jesus told the story of the Good Samaritan precisely because Samaritans were despised.

    In other words, Christ chose a people for his parable who were about as close to the Hebrews as a people could get without being official Hebrews. This is the opposite of making an argument for diversity; it’s making an argument for making the Jewish tent a bit bigger, because it’s a big world out there, and people so similar should step back and look at the big picture, instead of worrying so much about the small differences. It’s like Austrian nationalists saying they have a lot in common with German nationalists, and exhorting them to stop the narrow focus on historical conflicts between Germans and Austrians that occurred in the much smaller world of the past.

    If anything, Christ was making a specific political argument about a specific situation of his time. But if one wants to draw genuine sociopolitical conclusions from it, they’re pretty much 180 degrees opposite of the heretical leftist interpretation.

  176. @candid_observer
    One thing I've become curious about is the scope of the so-called Alt-Right movement -- which is clearly going to get a lot more attention in the months to come -- and years to come, should Trump prevail (and likely even if he doesn't, given his level of support in the US -- winning the Republican nomination in something of a breeze considering his opposition from the powers-that-be is pretty hard not to notice).

    What are the sites which best represent that movement? Obviously, Unz is one such, maybe the most prominent, as well as VDare and Takis -- but where else?

    Any suggestions? It would be nice to compose a list. (Maybe it already exists?)

    Also, a compilation of Alt-Left sites would be good. (Personally, I'm far more Alt-left than anything else.)

    Trump himself impresses me as being Alt-Center.

  177. @boogerbently
    Another (or the same) one-post-wonder troll.

    Yep, the deranged, brain-dead style seems to be the same on multiple fake names.
    Unz doesn’t use one of the registry services like Disqus or Google, perhaps so that posters can’t be easily reverse traced and end up in a dossier. As a result any troll can create as many monikers and fictitious e-mail addresses as they want.

  178. @Taco

    “Go back to Africa” would be screamed at black protesters
     
    I will need to see explicit video evidence before I believe that this actually happened.

    Why would it matter? If some nut who supports Trump or Hillary or Sanders behaves badly, how could that really tell you whether or not their candidate is fit for office?

  179. @Taco

    “Go back to Africa” would be screamed at black protesters
     
    I will need to see explicit video evidence before I believe that this actually happened.

    “I will need to see explicit video evidence before I believe that this actually happened.”

    Yeah, I don’t believe that claim either, anymore than I believe that Ku Klux Klansmen wander around the Oberlin campus.

  180. @candid_observer
    One thing I've become curious about is the scope of the so-called Alt-Right movement -- which is clearly going to get a lot more attention in the months to come -- and years to come, should Trump prevail (and likely even if he doesn't, given his level of support in the US -- winning the Republican nomination in something of a breeze considering his opposition from the powers-that-be is pretty hard not to notice).

    What are the sites which best represent that movement? Obviously, Unz is one such, maybe the most prominent, as well as VDare and Takis -- but where else?

    Any suggestions? It would be nice to compose a list. (Maybe it already exists?)

    Also, a compilation of Alt-Left sites would be good. (Personally, I'm far more Alt-left than anything else.)

    I guess one obvious issue is: how does one define Alt-*?

    My guess is that the underlying common feature is a form of citizenism — a commitment to the idea that a nation’s interests and goals are properly represented by the authentic interests of its citizens. This particular commitment assumes a number of other things, can be justified in several ways (HBD being an obvious, but not necessary, one), and has a number of important consequences. But it does seem to be the consistent underlying feature of Alt-* thinking.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I think you're really just describing a nationalist--the word got a bad name after 1945. 'Alt-right' sounds edgier and cooler than 'far-right'.

    Steve's actually at the *moderate* end of the spectrum compared to, say, Jared Taylor, who's moderate compared to the guys who threaten journalists.

    Not all HBDers are even on that position--Razib, for example, is more or less a conservatarian from what I've seen. JayMan's a liberal.

    Still, the construct has validity--Trump is alt-center to the extent he's for anything at all other than Trump.

    I used to joke that you can tell the far right (or alt-right) from the mainstream right when they hate Jews more than Muslims. Breitbart's just before that crossover point--they've even got a Jerusalem subsite.
  181. @Cracker
    Forget this Xtianity stuff. I'm a pagan. An italian/kraut pagan and proud of it.

    Thanks for sharing. I beat Double Dragon for the NES.

  182. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Sanity in the Southern Baptist Convention can be found with Albert Mohler.

    Mohler’s podcast stands in stark contrast to Moore’s Soros funded bleatings.

     

    I agree. I listen to Mohler's daily briefing, and he's excellent.

    If you listen to Mohler, and you think he’s excellent, you’re not listening very often.

    Mohler, far from being “excellent” is filled with about as much anti-white hatred as Moore. But unlike Moore, he doesn’t shout if from every housetop 24/7.

    Mohler denounces the Confederate flag (but then turns around and says he won’t remove all the honors and monuments to slaveowners at the seminary he runs, because he doesn’t want to lose donations or his job) http://pulpitandpen.org/2015/06/23/mohler-says-he-will-not-remove-racist-names-still-demands-removal-of-flag/

    He says police brutality against blacks is a huge problem in America. He babbled nonsense about Trayvon and Ferguson repeatedly. Says white cops love to shoot unarmed black kids. http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/07/15/the-central-tragedy-of-this-case-remains-trayvon-martin-belongs-to-us-all/

    He pushes perversions like interracial marriage and transracial adoption.

    He constantly goes on about the “wickedness” of “racism”.

    However, unlike Moore, Mohler and John Piper, the other well known evangelical promoter of anti-white hatred, appear to have learned a lesson after both Trayvon and Michael Brown blew up in their face. Mohler and Piper, while not retracting any of the hateful things they have written about whites in the past, have certainly gotten a lot less vocal about “racism” and “police brutality” over the last year or so. But make no mistake – they still believe this garbage. They just got tired of being embarrassed over and over by taking up the cause of all these poor innocent black children, only to have them into “piece a shit” cases.

    But Moore hasn’t learned a thing.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for the links to the Mohler articles. I hadn't read any of his columns before; I'm only acquainted via his podcast, which I've been listening to for a couple months.

    In that time, Mohler has been excellent -- and I do choose that word with intent -- in speaking out against abortion, gay marriage, WWT, and several other issues beloved of the leftist literati.

    He's said little about racial issues in the time I've listened. He does point out the irony of the outsized proportion of aborted children being black.

    For any prominent Christian -- indeed, for any Christian -- racism is a sin. What is hard to see for many baby boomer Christians, who've been raised on the American race narrative, is how the most insidious form of racism is to treat the Other as someone who's already half-absolved before God because of his status as historical victim. This dehumanizes the Other, and subtly raises the status of the 'guilty oppressor', who can be a full participant in Christianity's sin-and-redemption story, while the Other serves best as a prop.

    I haven't seen too much of this from Mohler. Perhaps you're right in that he's deemphasized race stories because of past miscalculations. I'll keep listening.

  183. A canvass of the area would have told them that the church had already sent a message to those neighbors when it had stood silent in the face of atrocity.

    I seriously doubt that was it. Black people just don’t much go to white churches, and vice versa. People self-segregate when given a chance.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I seriously doubt that was it. Black people just don’t much go to white churches, and vice versa. People self-segregate when given a chance."

    Most Black Christians would feel more comfortable attending an all Black Muslim mosque than they would attending an all White Christian church.

    Even for most Black Christians, Blackness trumps Christianity.
  184. Biggest pile of white-guilt garbage I’ve read in a while. I usually go out of my way to avoid it. And, admittedly, I just skimmed this one. I’ve had plenty for one lifetime of being lectured about how racist whites are.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    Christianity is a great religion and did much good.

    But it has two tendencies that can be pain in the ass.

    1. Moral vanity. I'm so holy shmoly. Christians get off this like crackheads get off crack.
    This is why i don't care for pro-life crowd. I see compelling moral reasons for opposing abortion, but the pro-lifers just love feeling morally superior. Can't stand them.

    As the US is now ruled by the GLOB, the moral narrative is dominated by progs. So, Christians are now trying to prove their holy shmoliness by showing that they are also with the New Narrative program. So, we have homomania and xenomania for christ.
    When it comes to moral vanity, Christians gotta be #1. Since the new moral narrative is proggy, Christians desperately try to play to the GLOB.

    2. Guilt and redemption fetish. Christianity says we all killed Christ, but Jesus forgave us and we need to show that we sinners are worthy of His love by begging forgiveness and seeking redemption.

    The secular version of this is 'we oppressed negroes but MLK as new christ preached forgiveness and love, so we must live up to his dream.'

    Then, there is the mindset as combo of self-loathing and self-promotion.

    "I know I'm sinful and worthless, but since I admit I'm sinful and worthless, I'm so much better than those who don't know and admit they are sinful and worthless."

    The secular version of this, "I know I have white privilege but since I admit it, I'm better than those 'racists' who won't admit it. Nyah nyah."

    It's no wonder that Christianity is merging with the GLOB whether it's in the form of Moore or Pope.

    I don't need no stinking moral vanity.
    I don't need no stinking guilt and redemption.

    Not when I got the truth on my side.

    church of polly-theism says Moore shall burn in hell for his vanity and sicko fetish.
  185. @Intelligent Dasein
    The smart-set liberal atheists are so conceited in their opinions that they really believe everyone else in the world is just like they are. Hence, for them, "Muslim" is just a sort of cultural moniker designating a penchant for turbans, camels, and living in the desert. Underneath the exterior, every Muslim is really just another liberal cosmopolitan globalist with enlightened ideas.

    These people are so irreligious themselves that they really cannot imagine anyone else actually being religious. Thus, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, Muslims are not really religious people as far as they're concerned. All that "Allahu Akbar" stuff is instantly transmogrified in their minds into a sort of soccer chant. And Muslims do not wage Jihad against the West for religious reasons, but because they are "an oppressed minority seeking a redress of grievances" in the true '60s Leftist narrative. The proper thing to do is to throw money at them and give them room to express their discontent. If a few hundred Western civilians get butchered every now and again, that's just the price we have to pay for our "diversity" (the loss of which would be an even greater catastrophe).

    The only people the smart-set atheists reserve any genuine contempt for are white Christians. Why? Because they are the only ones, in their minds, who are truly religious (read: narrow, bigoted, prejudicial, intolerant). In the morality play which they substitute for reality, white Christians play the role of evil anti-globalist bigot, despite the fact that the entire Roman Catholic pseudo-Church of the Vatican II era, the entire Anglican Communion, and almost all mainstream Protestants and Evangelicals have long ago been cucked when it comes to the globalists' pet issues of unlimited tolerance and unlimited immigration.

    This all allows us to obtain a clue as to what modern Liberalism really is. It is first and foremost a categorical misreading of reality, an illusion; and furthermore, within that illusion, it is a sappy melodrama devoid of nuance or psychological depth. Nothing is stupider than this rootless urban intelligence. Liberalism is the most pig-headed attitude possible. It is sheer, blind, self-conceit.

    Excellent analysis.

    Libs are forevermore enamored of a kind of Rousseauian viewpoint where everyone else in the world is in chains thanks to the White Man; thus their world view starts and ends with battling that entity.

  186. @grapesoda
    Why is everyone so obsessed with skin color and gender nowadays? This is actually a very low level of consciousness. It's offensive and degrading to reduce a human being to their mere race and gender identification, and it's a transparent power play. When I walk down the street, I don't think, "Gee I'm a white male, what should I do today?" But other people, being racist and sexist, do see me this way. And I find this incredibly offensive to have my humanity reduced in such a degraded way.

    Was Jesus in the Gospels saying, "and as a dark-skinned Aramaic male, I can truly say..." No, because they weren't myopically obsessed with these issues the way many people now are. Whatever happened to us all just being human beings?

    Progressivism tries to claim that we need reverse racism to combat previous racism. But two wrongs don't make a right. That one old saying destroys all of progressivism. And besides, it's a transparent power grab. They don't give a shit about equality. It makes me sick, these hypocritical Gen Y and progressive fucks, claiming to be about equality while at the same time being incredibly hateful and racist. It's kind of like a contest to see, how hateful can I be, while being incredibly self-righteous at the same time and proclaiming myself to be on the side of what's right and good? Just absolutely disgusting to anyone who's not seduced by the incredibly shallow ideology.

    If we’re talking places with low levels of ethnic sectarianism, the ancient Levant isn’t exactly the first that comes to mind.

  187. @GW
    He is alive now.

    If he agreed with you, he’d be the International Christian.

  188. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Please, you're not being very fair to pagans.

    ‘Pagan’ in evangelical Christian rhetoric usually means ‘barbarian’–ruled by the appetites and loving only power. Remember, Christians were initially reacting against the Roman Empire.

    It actually does describe a real constellation of views, I think–more or less what you would expect from any organism according to evolution. It fits the Christian idea that Christianity fights against man’s animal nature.

    Comments from people who know more than me welcome.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Read D. S. Wilson's Darwin's Cathedral. There's a review on amazon.co.uk written on 2/2/2013, with which I totally agree.
  189. @The Last Real Calvinist

    That Russell’s article would appear in the NYT is simply bizarre. Would they publish an evangelical Op-Ed about how “the majority of people who ever lived” were bound to not enter Heaven because they refused to accept Jesus as their Savior?

    I doubt it. And I also doubt that many evangelicals even read, or respect, anything in the New York Times.
     
    No, I'm afraid I disagree on both points. That is, it doesn't surprise me that the NYT would publish this: they're looking to lure any voters to Hillary they possible can. They know that evangelicals right now are in a state of some confusion, as their traditional 'safe' political options are not available in the current presidential race. Leftists are nothing if not relentless; any potential pool of votes is a target.

    There are also some evangelicals -- perhaps more than you think -- who live out the old story of being small-town/flyover state born and bred, wanting to be faithful Christians, and yet still yearning to get in tune with what they perceive to be the high notes played by 'sophisticated' thinkers. These evangelicals certainly do pay attention to the NYT.

    Discerning and fighting liberal drift is a constant challenge for western churches. Remember that all of the attraction of the left from a Christian point of view originates in Christianity itself -- equality of believers; compassion and care for the poor and oppressed; seeking peace on earth -- but the left empties out and twists these virtues into cruel caricatures. Never the less, some Christians convince themselves that this time their sophisticated lefty temptors are sincere . . . .

    The NYT doesn’t publish material directed to conservatives or Christians, they publish material for the benefit of the greater print and television press corps in order to mold its views, which in turn molds the coverage of people and events. I have no doubt that they didn’t give this Moore jerk free reign – did they solicit him with the piece’s proposition or the reverse? Will we ever hear from him in the pages of the NYT about matters of concern for Evangelicals outside of the narrow cast of pro-immigration and anti-white advocacy? It’s hard to think of it.

    I think sometimes we forget that the other side needs its views reinforced regularly, and that is the purpose of this piece – a credentialed Evangelical big mahoff calling Trump a racist (as if that needed to be written again) but more importantly offering a sort of Protestant excommunication of Evangelicals supporting Trump. It reinforces in the minds of the Upper West Side and media types (there is overlap here) what they already want to think of white Evangelicals.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    I think sometimes we forget that the other side needs its views reinforced regularly, and that is the purpose of this piece – a credentialed Evangelical big mahoff calling Trump a racist (as if that needed to be written again) but more importantly offering a sort of Protestant excommunication of Evangelicals supporting Trump. It reinforces in the minds of the Upper West Side and media types (there is overlap here) what they already want to think of white Evangelicals.

     

    Yes, I agree that The Narrative requires constant maintenance, but then why do they need an evangelical to do this? Doesn't this create even more cognitive dissonance than usual in the underexercised minds of NYT readers?

    I guess you could argue that having an evangelical come in to the pages of the NYT to conduct a self-criticism session, in the Maoist mode, is entertaining and satisfying for the NYT's core readers. But I'm not sure good loyal liberal NYT readers need to be convinced by an evangelical that other evangelicals are doubleplusungood.

    In other words, your theory seems to me too subtle, too much like a double-bank shot. Isn't the simpler explanation that the NYT and our other Betters are more worried about upcoming presidential vote totals than they may be letting on, and they're trying to drive wedges into the enemy's already-unsettled voting bloc, and maybe even draw some of the wanderers into the lofty uplands of the D-voting Enlightened?

  190. @International Jew
    If Jesus were alive now, he'd probably be an activist in Shalom Achshav.

    (If Jesus had had a gun, he would be alive now.)

    I wouldn’t make too much fun of Jesus–how do you feel when these guys make Holocaust jokes?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "I wouldn’t make too much fun of Jesus–how do you feel when these guys make Holocaust jokes?"

    What guys? What jokes? Can you point to one?
    , @reiner Tor
    I personally don't care much, but I'm not quite religious.
    , @International Jew
    Jesus was a Jew. You're telling me I can't tell Jewish jokes now?

    Besides, saying "...he'd be alive now" would get me in a heap of trouble with my rabbi too.

    Btw, do you know the Leonardo da Vinci Last Supper joke?
    "Table for 26, name's Jesus."
    "26? There's only 13 of you."
    "We like to all sit on the same side, lol."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo_da_Vinci)#/media/File%3A%C3%9Altima_Cena_-_Da_Vinci_5.jpg

  191. That was basically gobbledygook, but at least they’re actually mentioning the “alt-right,” if only to denigrate it. That’s progress, or regress, whichever is preferable.

  192. @Paul Mendez
    At least Russell Moore seems willing to wait until I die of natural causes before he consigns me to Eternal Damnation.

    The next six months are going to be a hell of a ride. As Trump rises in the polls, the visceral, spit-spraying anger will get worse and worse.

    Anybody who doubts Trump's patriotism should chew on this: I suspect Trump's chances of death or serious injury between now and the election are greater than police officers, firefighters or military personnel overseas. He is literally laying his life on the line for his country.

    I’ve been concerned for Trump and his family ever since his campaign took off. The anti-Trump forces are beating the bushes, hoping they can inflame enough loons so that sooner or later one of these will make a successful attempt on Trump’s life. This NYT oped is just an example of the least hate-filled material. If these vile specimens of humanity succeed they will be the first to shed crocodile tears at the “hatred poisoning American politics”. They will also inevitably use Trump’s demise as an argument for further gun control.

  193. @Anonymous
    Racists are white nationalists are Christians in name only. Jesus would condemn nativism and anti immigrant action.

    Down with Trump! Down with white supremacy and privilege! Up with tolerance and diversity!

    If you were a Christian you w2ould be familiar with the context of “pearls before swine”.

  194. The man on the throne in heaven is a dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking “foreigner” who is probably not all that impressed by chants of “Make America great again.

    Good thing foreigners can’t vote then.

  195. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Sanity in the Southern Baptist Convention can be found with Albert Mohler.

    Mohler’s podcast stands in stark contrast to Moore’s Soros funded bleatings.

     

    I agree. I listen to Mohler's daily briefing, and he's excellent.

    Sanity in the Southern Baptist Convention can be found with Albert Mohler.

    You couldn’t be more wrong.

    Mohler is rabidly anti-white, too. Maybe he doesn’t foam at the mouth quite as badly as Moore, but he’s essentially no different.

    Denounced the “epidemic” of “innocent black men” being gunned down by police.

    Denounced the Confederate flag. (But refuses to shit in his own backyard – he won’t take down the names and monuments to slaveholders all over the college and seminary he heads up. Doesn’t want to lose his job or donations.)

    Pushes interracial marriage and transracial adoption.

    Google his name with “Trayvon” or “Ferguson” and check it out for yourself. He was pushing the hate whitey narrative hard during those days. But, unlike Moore, after Ferguson blew up in his face and made a fool of him, after Trayvon did the same thing, Mohler had sense enough to put a sock in it for a while. He hasn’t retracted anything, but he certainly hasn’t been nearly as vocal.

    But he hates white people almost as much as Moore does.

  196. @SFG
    "The man on the throne in heaven is a dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking “foreigner” who is probably not all that impressed by chants of “Make America great again.”"

    That's what always bugged me--he's basically saying he knows what God looks like. Sounds vaguely blasphemous, but I'm not that well versed in these things.

    Oh, you ought to check this one out:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-pac-formed-to-pressure-white-males-not-to-run-for-office/

    I thought y'all were joking, but...

    That’s what always bugged me–he’s basically saying he knows what God looks like. Sounds vaguely blasphemous, but I’m not that well versed in these things.

    I suppose the idea is that he has an inkling of what God looked like when he became a human being – the reference is obviously specifically thinking of God incarnated as Jesus. Yet, how dark-skinned would Jesus really be? The best people to look at for an idea would probably be Mizrahi Jews – and Dan Hedaya is white enough to play Richard Nixon.

    • Replies: @Cracker
    Hedaya looks like a Sicilian.
    , @Jefferson
    "Yet, how dark-skinned would Jesus really be?"

    Most Blacks believe Jesus Christ was racially one of them, which makes zero sense. Since when were Blacks racially Indigeneous to Bethlehem. That part of the world is not the ancestral homeland of the Negro race. There was no way Jesus Christ's mother Mary racially looked like Michelle Obama.

    Another example of Blacks committing cultural appropriation.

    They Blackwash Jews and Italians. Who knew that so many Ellis Island immigrants descend from the Negro race.
  197. @SFG
    I wouldn't make too much fun of Jesus--how do you feel when these guys make Holocaust jokes?

    “I wouldn’t make too much fun of Jesus–how do you feel when these guys make Holocaust jokes?”

    What guys? What jokes? Can you point to one?

  198. Moore: The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin.

    What does he mean by “the next Billy Graham?” The next world evangelist? Or the next American evangelist? If the former, he could well be right and it would be fine, but I don’t see how that would be a problem for “nativist” whites. No one is insisting that all evangelism should come form the United States or be done in English. There might well today be some very effective Chinese evangelists giving out the word in China who reach more people than Billy Graham. And that’s fine.

    But it doesn’t mean we have to destroy our country.

    If, on the other hand, he means that next American evangelist won’t speak English, he is effectively acquiescing to the destruction of our nation.

    He is a traitor.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin."

    What? Only speak one language, presumably to serve only one people in one nation?

    The next Billy(Gomez, Abdullah, Farhad, Wong, etc) will surely be a 'racist', 'nationalist', and 'xenophobic' hater.
    , @Isidore the Farmer
    He is saying, to young white Christians, the next Billy Graham will not be one of you. He says the same thing later, only slightly differently, when he describes Christ: He is not like you.

    This is, of course, a very insulting and discouraging thing to say to someone supposedly needing to be evangelized. No one would go into a classroom of black students and say, "The next MLK will likely be a red-headed Irish kid from Boston." (Note: I'm not saying Graham and MLK are equivalent.)

    Even if such a thing were true demographically, a decent human being would still seek a way to encourage or inspire the audience he was trying to evangelize, rather than telling them their ancestors were little better than dog feces and they have no future in this world.

    For whites, there is more hope in a hit of meth than in the lecture Moore just gave. No wonder so many have turned to it.

    I am a deacon in an SBC church. I will no longer tag any tithes for the state convention of my home state. All will be for local use only. I want no part of helping fund Moore's message to people like my own children. Life is hard enough without having this garbage heaped on their head.
  199. @International Jew
    Ugh. What's the tldr version?

    Ugh. What’s the tldr version?

    The Word of God is a Yawn.

    Or, in Hebrew, Yahwen.

  200. @Glaivester

    That’s what always bugged me–he’s basically saying he knows what God looks like. Sounds vaguely blasphemous, but I’m not that well versed in these things.
     
    I suppose the idea is that he has an inkling of what God looked like when he became a human being - the reference is obviously specifically thinking of God incarnated as Jesus. Yet, how dark-skinned would Jesus really be? The best people to look at for an idea would probably be Mizrahi Jews - and Dan Hedaya is white enough to play Richard Nixon.

    Hedaya looks like a Sicilian.

  201. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Diversity Heretic
    Either Whiskeys Place or Occam's Razor had a thought piece of few years back on how Christianity was becoming loud, brown and obnoxious. This fits right in. Perhaps there's an opening for the Orthodox Church to appeal to whites.

    Wasn’t me. What’s needed is “American Zionism.” Just as I like and admire (Israeli) Jews because they went from meekly going to their doom with a few exceptions … to fighting for their lives over and over again, we in the West need our own version of Zionism. Involving courage (which even enemies admire) and respect for traditions, values, and heritage of our peoples.

    America is a young country but has given the world much: first men on the moon, modern Christmas, New Year’s eve, bbq, long-form television, the blockbuster movie, jazz, blues, rock, Halloween, etc.

    These things are worthy of, if not worship in the place of NAM-Jesus, at least veneration, the way the Japanese and to an extent Israeli Zionists do also.

    American Zionism says that America as it was founded, fought for, bled for, sacrificed for, died for, has value. Meaning. Worthiness. And it is not to be thrown away under sentimental blubberings to cover a cynical attempt to reestablish serfdom by inviting the Third World. Let the Third World create their own wealth and heritage — ours is ours.

    We ought to emulate Donald Trump who admires and has made an election commercial for Bibi Netanyahu. If Zionism is good for Jews, who have their own country, it is even **BETTER** for Americans who need to fight and win to retain theirs.

    But Christianity is now just worthless, and it has become worthless because of its NAM worship which was always implicit in its universalism and anti-nationalism held within the Bible and Jesus’s message. Its not either a Gramscian conspiracy or “the Joooossssss!” but the logical outcome of holding the entirety of the New Testament as the revealed word of God. Nietsche also found fault with what he called a “slave religion.”

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  202. J1234 says:

    Russell Moore, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention

    The formula is pretty simple: Every time you put articles like this in publications like the New York Times, the support for Donald Trump goes UP, not down. How can people not notice this? So maybe Russell Moore, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, is trying to get Trump elected?

    If not, then you have to wonder how someone like Russell Moore rose to president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention in the first place.

  203. @SFG
    'Pagan' in evangelical Christian rhetoric usually means 'barbarian'--ruled by the appetites and loving only power. Remember, Christians were initially reacting against the Roman Empire.

    It actually does describe a real constellation of views, I think--more or less what you would expect from any organism according to evolution. It fits the Christian idea that Christianity fights against man's animal nature.

    Comments from people who know more than me welcome.

    Read D. S. Wilson’s Darwin’s Cathedral. There’s a review on amazon.co.uk written on 2/2/2013, with which I totally agree.

  204. @SFG
    I wouldn't make too much fun of Jesus--how do you feel when these guys make Holocaust jokes?

    I personally don’t care much, but I’m not quite religious.

  205. “The man on the throne in heaven is a ….”

    Sexist bigot! Everyone knows that God is a woman.

  206. @Thomas

    Russell Moore, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention...
     
    *AHEM*

    "This Baptist Charity Is Being Paid Hundreds of Millions to Shelter Child Migrants" http://time.com/3066459/unaccompanied-minor-immigration-border/

    Since December, BCFS (Baptist Child and Family Services) has received more than $280 million in federal grants to operate these shelters, according to government records. On July 7, two days before Dinnin met Obama in Dallas, the Department of Health and Human Services awarded BCFS $190,707,505 in a single grant.
    ...
    The federal grant money for sheltering unaccompanied children, provided by HHS’s Administration for Children and Families, has so far totaled $671 million during the 2014 fiscal year. BCFS has received 40% of those funds, making it the largest recipient of money disbursed to contractors to temporarily house unaccompanied children...
     

    Follow the money.

    • Replies: @Skinnyhoops
    Follow the money. Some preachers make a good living passing the collection plate among a diverse congregation that includes lots of tithing immigrants. https://withoutwalls.org
  207. @SFG
    I wouldn't make too much fun of Jesus--how do you feel when these guys make Holocaust jokes?

    Jesus was a Jew. You’re telling me I can’t tell Jewish jokes now?

    Besides, saying “…he’d be alive now” would get me in a heap of trouble with my rabbi too.

    Btw, do you know the Leonardo da Vinci Last Supper joke?
    “Table for 26, name’s Jesus.”
    “26? There’s only 13 of you.”
    “We like to all sit on the same side, lol.”

    • Replies: @David
    Jesus walks into a NYC deli and orders a bagel with cream cheese. They give him the bagel and enough cream cheese to feed five thousand people.

    I liked your joke but "lol" is anachronistic.

    Hey, you know Jesus made a real pun. When he said camel though the eye of a needle. There's a Greek word real close to camel that means rope. Different by one vowel.

    , @ben tillman
    Your joke was amusing enough, but maybe it was a dinner theatre and they all wanted a good view of the show.
  208. Completely off topic but I saw the new Captain America movie and he is clearly meant to be gay.

  209. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Jesus was a Jew. What Israel's (and American Jews') stance on nationalism and immigration for Israel.

    Are Jews evil? Are Jews intolerant and anti-diversity.

    You, sir, are a child. And a spoiled one at that.

    Jesus was a Jew.

  210. @Priss Factor
    Moore looks like a tootkin. He seems married with children, but just look at him. He looks fruitier than Marco Rubberio.

    http://www.bc.edu/centers/boisi/publicevents/s14/russell-moore/_jcr_content/content/bcimage_0.img.jpg/1393360038159.jpg

    http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/Christianity/RussellMoore.jpg

    http://news.sbts.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/20120924_1309-color1.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ugr_Dc_V7Ek/maxresdefault.jpg

    He reminds me of of the smarmy and firmly-closeted Reverend Steve Newlin from True Blood.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    He came out of the coffin eventually, and provided some great laughs.
  211. @Cracker
    The next thing you know, we're gonna hear that Dracula was black.

    The next thing you know, we’re gonna hear that Dracula was black.

    Already heard it ……..back in 1972!

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068284/?ref_=nv_sr_1

  212. @Priss Factor
    "The center of gravity for both orthodoxy and evangelism is not among Anglo suburban evangelicals but among African Anglicans and Asian Calvinists and Latin American Pentecostals. The vital core of American evangelicalism today can be found in churches that are multiethnic and increasingly dominated by immigrant communities."

    O-kay!!

    It's all about consumers for Christ. We need more immigrants to buy Evanjelly horsedung.

    I guess evanjellies are okay to NYT as long as they push for open borders.

    This is why Christianity is dangerous. Its primary identity is 'Christian' than 'racial or national brethren'.

    Did the fool ever ask why the community became majority black? Cuz of black crime and violence, surely. Indeed, it was fear of black crime and violence that accounted for white southerners resistance to so-called Civil Rights Movement.
    Jews certainly seem to understand why West Bank needs harsh measures to deal with Pallies.

    He talks of bombings as if tons of Negroes died in them. Just a handful did.
    Many more whites were killed at the hands of black thugs. But no mention of that.

    MLK was a thug who whored around and beat up women and laughed about it. Some man of peace.

    How often do you hear "go back to africa"? white folks are too scared of negroes to say such stuff.

    If anything Trump and his supporters are saying LEAVE OTHER NATIONS ALONE.

    Fantastic, Polly!

    You just said everything I was thinking — concise and to the point, you knocked it out of the park!

    I discovered a new word the other day: contumacious.

    To the extent that Moore represents mainstream Christian thinking, I will endeavor to be as consciously contumacious as currently possible.

  213. @TWS
    He's literally looking for a magic negro. Can't parody that.

    We already have one, but he is leaving in 7 months.

  214. @International Jew
    Jesus was a Jew. You're telling me I can't tell Jewish jokes now?

    Besides, saying "...he'd be alive now" would get me in a heap of trouble with my rabbi too.

    Btw, do you know the Leonardo da Vinci Last Supper joke?
    "Table for 26, name's Jesus."
    "26? There's only 13 of you."
    "We like to all sit on the same side, lol."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo_da_Vinci)#/media/File%3A%C3%9Altima_Cena_-_Da_Vinci_5.jpg

    Jesus walks into a NYC deli and orders a bagel with cream cheese. They give him the bagel and enough cream cheese to feed five thousand people.

    I liked your joke but “lol” is anachronistic.

    Hey, you know Jesus made a real pun. When he said camel though the eye of a needle. There’s a Greek word real close to camel that means rope. Different by one vowel.

  215. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
    @Cloudbuster
    Biggest pile of white-guilt garbage I've read in a while. I usually go out of my way to avoid it. And, admittedly, I just skimmed this one. I've had plenty for one lifetime of being lectured about how racist whites are.

    Christianity is a great religion and did much good.

    But it has two tendencies that can be pain in the ass.

    1. Moral vanity. I’m so holy shmoly. Christians get off this like crackheads get off crack.
    This is why i don’t care for pro-life crowd. I see compelling moral reasons for opposing abortion, but the pro-lifers just love feeling morally superior. Can’t stand them.

    As the US is now ruled by the GLOB, the moral narrative is dominated by progs. So, Christians are now trying to prove their holy shmoliness by showing that they are also with the New Narrative program. So, we have homomania and xenomania for christ.
    When it comes to moral vanity, Christians gotta be #1. Since the new moral narrative is proggy, Christians desperately try to play to the GLOB.

    2. Guilt and redemption fetish. Christianity says we all killed Christ, but Jesus forgave us and we need to show that we sinners are worthy of His love by begging forgiveness and seeking redemption.

    The secular version of this is ‘we oppressed negroes but MLK as new christ preached forgiveness and love, so we must live up to his dream.’

    Then, there is the mindset as combo of self-loathing and self-promotion.

    “I know I’m sinful and worthless, but since I admit I’m sinful and worthless, I’m so much better than those who don’t know and admit they are sinful and worthless.”

    The secular version of this, “I know I have white privilege but since I admit it, I’m better than those ‘racists’ who won’t admit it. Nyah nyah.”

    It’s no wonder that Christianity is merging with the GLOB whether it’s in the form of Moore or Pope.

    I don’t need no stinking moral vanity.
    I don’t need no stinking guilt and redemption.

    Not when I got the truth on my side.

    church of polly-theism says Moore shall burn in hell for his vanity and sicko fetish.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Wow, you really go off on those GLOB's .... Why?
  216. @Priss Factor
    Moore looks like a tootkin. He seems married with children, but just look at him. He looks fruitier than Marco Rubberio.

    http://www.bc.edu/centers/boisi/publicevents/s14/russell-moore/_jcr_content/content/bcimage_0.img.jpg/1393360038159.jpg

    http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/Christianity/RussellMoore.jpg

    http://news.sbts.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/20120924_1309-color1.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ugr_Dc_V7Ek/maxresdefault.jpg

    His sharp angular teeth are intimidating me.

  217. His sharp angular teeth are intimidating; he looks like a democRAT.

  218. Religion: opiate of the masses, no matter what their race or average IQ.

    Irrelevant.

  219. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
    @Glaivester
    Moore: The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin.

    What does he mean by "the next Billy Graham?" The next world evangelist? Or the next American evangelist? If the former, he could well be right and it would be fine, but I don't see how that would be a problem for "nativist" whites. No one is insisting that all evangelism should come form the United States or be done in English. There might well today be some very effective Chinese evangelists giving out the word in China who reach more people than Billy Graham. And that's fine.

    But it doesn't mean we have to destroy our country.

    If, on the other hand, he means that next American evangelist won't speak English, he is effectively acquiescing to the destruction of our nation.

    He is a traitor.

    “The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin.”

    What? Only speak one language, presumably to serve only one people in one nation?

    The next Billy(Gomez, Abdullah, Farhad, Wong, etc) will surely be a ‘racist’, ‘nationalist’, and ‘xenophobic’ hater.

  220. @Priss Factor
    I don't need no stinkin' Baptism.

    I have my own religion, Polly-theism.

    And now I speak unto you the Truth of Polly.

    These are the hardcore truths without the flaky assurances one finds in New Age fads.

    We believe in heaven and hell, and the sinners according to the church of Polly shall be condemned for all eternity.

    And now hear ye, for I shall reveal the truth that is the only true truth, the violation of which shall bring upon you punishment worse than a date with Lena Dunham or Lindsey Graham.

    If you support the homo agenda, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support open borders, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support amnesty for illegals, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support more wars for Israel, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support excessive race-mixing, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you listen to gangsta rap , YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you believe Bruce Jenner is a woman, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you voted for Obama, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you won't stop eating pork, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL. (pigs are too smart like dogs)

    If you are a fan of Star Trek, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you liked the new Star Wars movie, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you accept the regression to the bean, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support BLM, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you think Madmen is the best TV show ever, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support a new cold war with Russia, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support Merkel, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you condemn Orban, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you read NYT other than to mock it, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you are into grunge culture, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you are a fan of post-Reservoir tarantino, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    Polly wanna cracker? (Or is Polly a cracker?)

  221. @biz
    I don't know whether this is true or not but someone posted here a few days ago claiming that the Muslim percentage in London has leveled off. It is due to a lot of non-Muslim immigration from Eastern Europe, Poland, Africa, Sikhs, etc.

    Muslims have become the welfare class of London. Many are not of course, but many are just peasant villagers subsisting off the state instead of fields and swelling their numbers through cousin marriage from back home and high birthrates. They are the real grounded residents of London now. The English working classes have mostly left.

  222. @AndrewR
    I stopped reading by the second paragraph discussing Trump. Obnoxious.

    In related news, I am surrounded by liberal female relatives waiting for my dad to get out of femur surgery. They are united in the belief that the violence at the Trump rally in Chicago was Trump supporters.

    They are united in the belief that the violence at the Trump rally in Chicago was Trump supporters.
    >>>> That’s why they call themselves jackasses.

  223. @Brutusale
    He reminds me of of the smarmy and firmly-closeted Reverend Steve Newlin from True Blood.

    He came out of the coffin eventually, and provided some great laughs.

  224. @Anon7
    Sadiq Khan won on the fifth round of voting. I don't have the foggiest idea how their election process works. If you compare the 2001 and 2011 census results, it certainly looks like Muslims have a incipient demographic edge.

    Khan's selection as a candidate was seen as part of a wider move towards the left in Labour that emerged during the leadership election that followed Miliband's resignation.[29] Key policies that Khan has proposed include a London 'living rent';[34] a quota system for ethnic minority officers in the Metropolitan Police;[35] increased home building;[36] and a campaign for a London Living Wage.[37] Commentators raised Khan's Muslim religion as a potential barrier to election, after a poll (not mentioning Khan by name) suggested that 31% of Londoners would be 'uncomfortable' with a Muslim mayor.[38] Khan, who was London's first Muslim MP, argued that the election of a Muslim could encourage London to become recognised as a more cosmopolitan city.[38] While Khan previously stated that he would serve a full term as MP for Tooting if he were to become Mayor of London,[39] he has since said he would stand down as MP for Tooting if he was elected Mayor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_mayoral_election,_2016)
     
    Here's a bit more about London's religious mix:

    According to the 2011 Census, the largest religious groupings are Christians (48.4 per cent), followed by those of no religion (20.7 per cent), no response (8.5 per cent), Muslims (12.4 per cent), Hindus (5.0 per cent), Jews (1.8 per cent), Sikhs (1.5 per cent), Buddhists (1.0 per cent) and other (0.6 per cent).[1]

    In 2001, the numbers were respectively Christians (58.2 per cent), followed by those of no religion (15.8 per cent), no response (8.7 per cent), Muslims (8.5 per cent), Hindus (4.1 per cent), Jews (2.1 per cent), Sikhs (1.5 per cent), Buddhists (0.8 per cent) and other (0.5 per cent).

    Islam is London's second largest religion. 38% of England's Muslims live in London, where they represent 12.4% of the population. There were 1,012,823 Muslims reported in the 2011 census in the Greater London area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_London
     

    I know how it works and Sadiq Khan won in an absolute landslide.

  225. @Lovernios X
    Because those messages were only "not-so coded" Moore was able to decipher them. If they were fully coded he wouldn't have had a clue. Need to tell the Trump camp to increase their coding level up to 11. That should fix the problem.

    Like the racist dog who always detects the racist dog-whistle…

  226. Leftist conservative [AKA "Make Unz.com Great Again"] says: • Website

    *libs hissing in tongues and shuddering violently as they read this truth-telling*

  227. neon2 says:
    @5371
    Goldsmith only had one Jewish grandparent.

    Correct.
    His father’s mother was a French Catholic, and his own mother, née Vane-Tempest-Stewart is the daughter of the 8th Marquess of Londonderry, the head of a family of immense political influence, particularly on the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
    He was simply too grand to be Mayor of London, not too Jewish.

  228. OT, but the latest in rigged diversity.

  229. @Intelligent Dasein
    Jesus' human nature was taken from the flesh of his mother Mary, who was a lineal descendant of the House of David. David's appearance is described in the First Book of Kings (which the Protestants erroneously call the First Book of Samuel) as "ruddy." First Kings 16:12 (Douey-Rheims Bible) reads:

    He sent therefore and brought him. Now he was ruddy and beautiful to behold, and of a comely face. And the Lord said: Arise, and anoint him, for this is he.
     
    Now the word 'ruddy' in this context means red-haired or fair-haired, leading to the conclusion that David was of a generally Caucasian-like appearance. Michelangelo's famous statue of David, although it was contemplated rather than copied from models, is probably pretty close to his actual appearance.

    Since the House of David was descended from this ruddy or fair-haired man, it stands to reason that Mary was fair herself. And since Jesus' human nature was taken entirely from her, He could not help but be the spitting image of His mother.

    The Shroud of Turin gives a height for Jesus of about 5'10'' (rather tall for the time period) and generally Caucasoid facial features. Additionally, the earliest extant frescoes depicting Jesus, dating from the II Century A.D., are strikingly similar to the depictions of the Renaissance Masters. And since the very concept of "whiteness," let alone white supremacy, was unheard of at the time, the artists had no reason to lie.

    The problem with this theory is that the lineage of David led to Joseph, not Mary.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    The problem with this theory is that the lineage of David led to Joseph, not Mary.
     
    Actually, both St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary were of the House of David. The genealogy given in the Gospel of St. Luke, Chapter III is that of Mary.
  230. WGG says:
    @SAM HOUSTON
    "This charlatan is deceiver and a pagan."

    As a Heathen I won't tolerate this bigoted comparison! You will be subjected to the Blood Eagle! ;)

    Calling him a pagan isn’t a slur against pagans, it is to simply point out that he has no credibility or authority within Christianity. As a Christian, I see pagan gods as creations of the human imagination. As creative psychic manifestations of human desires, some are noble and some are not. This fool Moore’s gods are not noble. His pagan gods are called “Validation from Rich and Powerful” “Leftist Values” and of course “His own Ego”. That is a very ignoble pantheon. He didn’t even try to quote scripture to back up his leftist dogma. Funny that.

    Anyway, there are many beautiful religions in the world. Marxism and Leftism are some of the ugly ones. But as I stated before, Christians are under no mandate to play host to pagans of any kind- quite the opposite.

    “Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.” Jeremiah 10:2. Don’t learn their ways, yet we should give them (democratic) power to rule over us? I don’t think so.

    Is the blood eagle still considered a punishment? I think the Pear of Anguish is making a comeback in the growing sexual perv/ degenerate community. I just can’t keep up.

  231. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
    @Cracker
    The next thing you know, we're gonna hear that Dracula was black.

    Oh, where have you been? That is old.

    It was done already with Blacula.

    I saw it with a bunch of Negroes.

    There’s a scene where a white detective notices that one of the vampires is a fellow cop and hesitates to kill him.

    The frightened(and howling) Negroes were hollering, ‘kill him, kill him’.

  232. London will never have a non-Muslim Mayor again.

    Spain will never have a non-Muslim ruler again.

    Just getting into the spirit of things.

    He reminds me of of the smarmy and firmly-closeted Reverend Steve Newlin from True Blood.

    True Blood is the TV equivalent of the pro-choice movement using a candy apple baby for their banner. It’s so vile, its condemnations amount to endorsements, and vice-versa. Normal to assume it’s an intentional subversion of leftism, diversity, tolerance, and homosexuality, but it probably isn’t.

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home

    Spain will never have a non-Muslim ruler again.

    Just getting into the spirit of things
     
    Point taken.
  233. @Hrw-500
    They should be careful for what they wish for. Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism posted a good rant titled "Who will pay for everything when the white people are gone"? http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.ca/2016/05/who-will-pay-for-everything-when-white.html

    “They should be careful for what they wish for. Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism posted a good rant titled “Who will pay for everything when the white people are gone”?”

    Most Asian Americans earn enough money to pay income taxes, so they will pay for the welfare safety nest of the NAM underclass.

    You will start seeing Negro and Chicano Section 8 Housing popping up in affluent Asian American suburbs in The San Gabriel Valley and The Bay Area for example.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    From what I saw on this Youtube clip. I think Asians- Americans won't stay too close to them and some might defend their property like the Korean community did during the LA riots of 1992.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5wCLfEZI4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py4AMYebHGI
  234. o/t Jonathan Haidt’s editorial in the Weekend Wall Street Journal on how to improve race relations on college campuses is really good. I wouldn’t quite call it perfect (it mentions but undersells the significance of psychometrics to the competence of blacks in the military, for instance) but Haidt is definitely more reasonable than 99% of public intellectuals out there and at least sticks his neck out into crimethink territory to note that the current methods probably do more harm than good.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  235. @Harry Baldwin
    Hear, hear! There are many politicians I hold in contempt, but at the far end of the spectrum, the one that fills me with an almost unbearable, visceral loathing is Lindsey Graham.

    Hear, hear! There are many politicians I hold in contempt, but at the far end of the spectrum, the one that fills me with an almost unbearable, visceral loathing is Lindsey Graham.

    But he’s a good brother, uncle, and friend.

  236. @Glaivester

    That’s what always bugged me–he’s basically saying he knows what God looks like. Sounds vaguely blasphemous, but I’m not that well versed in these things.
     
    I suppose the idea is that he has an inkling of what God looked like when he became a human being - the reference is obviously specifically thinking of God incarnated as Jesus. Yet, how dark-skinned would Jesus really be? The best people to look at for an idea would probably be Mizrahi Jews - and Dan Hedaya is white enough to play Richard Nixon.

    “Yet, how dark-skinned would Jesus really be?”

    Most Blacks believe Jesus Christ was racially one of them, which makes zero sense. Since when were Blacks racially Indigeneous to Bethlehem. That part of the world is not the ancestral homeland of the Negro race. There was no way Jesus Christ’s mother Mary racially looked like Michelle Obama.

    Another example of Blacks committing cultural appropriation.

    They Blackwash Jews and Italians. Who knew that so many Ellis Island immigrants descend from the Negro race.

  237. OT: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/07/turkey-plans-european-mega-mosque-erdogan-to-preside-over-opening-ceremony/

    Check out the cover of the Spectator as you scroll down. It would be difficult to find a more perfect encapsulation of traitor Merkel’s submission to Turkey and Islam in general. And Merkel as well, in all her jowly vacuousness.

  238. @Cloudbuster
    A canvass of the area would have told them that the church had already sent a message to those neighbors when it had stood silent in the face of atrocity.

    I seriously doubt that was it. Black people just don't much go to white churches, and vice versa. People self-segregate when given a chance.

    “I seriously doubt that was it. Black people just don’t much go to white churches, and vice versa. People self-segregate when given a chance.”

    Most Black Christians would feel more comfortable attending an all Black Muslim mosque than they would attending an all White Christian church.

    Even for most Black Christians, Blackness trumps Christianity.

  239. @Alec Leamas

    OT: Hate Hoax follow up. Students plead not guilty in UAlbany bus attack. Whatever you do, you MUST click on this link

     

    She dindu nuffin.

    Loyalty to the narrative is impervious to evidence.

    The three Albany students in the latest hate hoax have been tossed out of school – two permanently. Finally a school administrations with the cojones to do the right thing.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/6/university-at-albany-expels-students-indicted-in-h/

    I am sure this story will lead the network news tonight, and be featured front page above the fold in tomorrow’s NYT and Wapo. Bwahahahahahaha!

  240. @candid_observer
    One thing I've become curious about is the scope of the so-called Alt-Right movement -- which is clearly going to get a lot more attention in the months to come -- and years to come, should Trump prevail (and likely even if he doesn't, given his level of support in the US -- winning the Republican nomination in something of a breeze considering his opposition from the powers-that-be is pretty hard not to notice).

    What are the sites which best represent that movement? Obviously, Unz is one such, maybe the most prominent, as well as VDare and Takis -- but where else?

    Any suggestions? It would be nice to compose a list. (Maybe it already exists?)

    Also, a compilation of Alt-Left sites would be good. (Personally, I'm far more Alt-left than anything else.)

    I would say breitbart.com is an alt-right site, though how much it will reliably be so in the future is a very open question. I would not be surprised if they attempt a swing to the GOPe in future, when the owners judge the time is right.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Do they have a strong white-identity angle? They mostly seem to report on black/Latino crime, which any law-and-order type would approve of.
  241. @AndyBoy
    Some say the worst thing that ever happened to the West as the acceptance of a Middle Eastern religion into Europe.

    When Christianity was being slapped together in the third and fourth centuries, there was a fairly strong constituency who wanted to eave it into the Greek Mystery Religions rather than that of the Jews.

    Hence the elevation of a wafer (grain of wheat).

  242. Too many comments to wade through at this point. So, casting aside all the thoughts about what a jerk this guy Moore is (and I am not going to refute that), I was struck by one thought when I read the first part of his article. That is, the Republican idiots really blew it back in the ’90’s when they didn’t reach out to the (conservative mostly) black churches. They could have easily forged a strong alliance which would far overshadow the current 9 to 1 ratio of GOP vs Demo among blacks. ESPECIALLY VOTING blacks.
    Oh well, I hate the Repubs as much as I hate the Demos, so I don’t give a rat’s, but I sure got to shake my head at their stupidity.

  243. @Svigor

    London will never have a non-Muslim Mayor again.
     
    Spain will never have a non-Muslim ruler again.

    Just getting into the spirit of things.

    He reminds me of of the smarmy and firmly-closeted Reverend Steve Newlin from True Blood.
     
    True Blood is the TV equivalent of the pro-choice movement using a candy apple baby for their banner. It's so vile, its condemnations amount to endorsements, and vice-versa. Normal to assume it's an intentional subversion of leftism, diversity, tolerance, and homosexuality, but it probably isn't.

    Spain will never have a non-Muslim ruler again.

    Just getting into the spirit of things

    Point taken.

  244. @Alec Leamas
    The NYT doesn't publish material directed to conservatives or Christians, they publish material for the benefit of the greater print and television press corps in order to mold its views, which in turn molds the coverage of people and events. I have no doubt that they didn't give this Moore jerk free reign - did they solicit him with the piece's proposition or the reverse? Will we ever hear from him in the pages of the NYT about matters of concern for Evangelicals outside of the narrow cast of pro-immigration and anti-white advocacy? It's hard to think of it.

    I think sometimes we forget that the other side needs its views reinforced regularly, and that is the purpose of this piece - a credentialed Evangelical big mahoff calling Trump a racist (as if that needed to be written again) but more importantly offering a sort of Protestant excommunication of Evangelicals supporting Trump. It reinforces in the minds of the Upper West Side and media types (there is overlap here) what they already want to think of white Evangelicals.

    I think sometimes we forget that the other side needs its views reinforced regularly, and that is the purpose of this piece – a credentialed Evangelical big mahoff calling Trump a racist (as if that needed to be written again) but more importantly offering a sort of Protestant excommunication of Evangelicals supporting Trump. It reinforces in the minds of the Upper West Side and media types (there is overlap here) what they already want to think of white Evangelicals.

    Yes, I agree that The Narrative requires constant maintenance, but then why do they need an evangelical to do this? Doesn’t this create even more cognitive dissonance than usual in the underexercised minds of NYT readers?

    I guess you could argue that having an evangelical come in to the pages of the NYT to conduct a self-criticism session, in the Maoist mode, is entertaining and satisfying for the NYT’s core readers. But I’m not sure good loyal liberal NYT readers need to be convinced by an evangelical that other evangelicals are doubleplusungood.

    In other words, your theory seems to me too subtle, too much like a double-bank shot. Isn’t the simpler explanation that the NYT and our other Betters are more worried about upcoming presidential vote totals than they may be letting on, and they’re trying to drive wedges into the enemy’s already-unsettled voting bloc, and maybe even draw some of the wanderers into the lofty uplands of the D-voting Enlightened?

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    Well, I'm of the view that any Evangelical who reads the NYT either in print or online is probably a Democrat voter anyway, likely a Bernie partisan. Note that Moore didn't really examine his own beliefs and behaviors - he pointed the finger of blame squarely at the Evangelicals who haven't yet been shamed into changing their view to match his by prior, less vicious slanders. I think it gives the NYT types a jolly to have a purported Evangelical leader burn his "flock" this way - that they're not really "good [anti-white] Christians anyway," which reinforces their own narrative about "real Christians" who would be enacting the left's program anyway. Interestingly, these same types tell Muslims who the real Muslims are, which is to say not the terrorist, honor-killing, woman-beating types.

    I'd imagine the further use of this piece may come later - one of the Sunday shows may invite Moore on to expound upon his thesis and state more slanders, or it will be used as material for the cross-examination of some Republican Evangelical candidate(s) who supports Trump.
  245. @The Anti-Gnostic
    What this farce has convinced me of is that's how every ideology ends up. "Principled conservatives" are making the short, happy journey to social democracy and cultural Marxism.

    Trump is offering a pragmatic, nationalist conservatism which is associated with classic nation-state politics.

    I’d like to add that it’s also crystallized how much the term “constitutional conservative” has become essentially the same as “loyal unquestioned Republican party hack”.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  246. @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    If you listen to Mohler, and you think he's excellent, you're not listening very often.

    Mohler, far from being "excellent" is filled with about as much anti-white hatred as Moore. But unlike Moore, he doesn't shout if from every housetop 24/7.

    Mohler denounces the Confederate flag (but then turns around and says he won't remove all the honors and monuments to slaveowners at the seminary he runs, because he doesn't want to lose donations or his job) http://pulpitandpen.org/2015/06/23/mohler-says-he-will-not-remove-racist-names-still-demands-removal-of-flag/

    He says police brutality against blacks is a huge problem in America. He babbled nonsense about Trayvon and Ferguson repeatedly. Says white cops love to shoot unarmed black kids. http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/07/15/the-central-tragedy-of-this-case-remains-trayvon-martin-belongs-to-us-all/

    He pushes perversions like interracial marriage and transracial adoption.

    He constantly goes on about the "wickedness" of "racism".

    However, unlike Moore, Mohler and John Piper, the other well known evangelical promoter of anti-white hatred, appear to have learned a lesson after both Trayvon and Michael Brown blew up in their face. Mohler and Piper, while not retracting any of the hateful things they have written about whites in the past, have certainly gotten a lot less vocal about "racism" and "police brutality" over the last year or so. But make no mistake - they still believe this garbage. They just got tired of being embarrassed over and over by taking up the cause of all these poor innocent black children, only to have them into "piece a shit" cases.

    But Moore hasn't learned a thing.

    Thanks for the links to the Mohler articles. I hadn’t read any of his columns before; I’m only acquainted via his podcast, which I’ve been listening to for a couple months.

    In that time, Mohler has been excellent — and I do choose that word with intent — in speaking out against abortion, gay marriage, WWT, and several other issues beloved of the leftist literati.

    He’s said little about racial issues in the time I’ve listened. He does point out the irony of the outsized proportion of aborted children being black.

    For any prominent Christian — indeed, for any Christian — racism is a sin. What is hard to see for many baby boomer Christians, who’ve been raised on the American race narrative, is how the most insidious form of racism is to treat the Other as someone who’s already half-absolved before God because of his status as historical victim. This dehumanizes the Other, and subtly raises the status of the ‘guilty oppressor’, who can be a full participant in Christianity’s sin-and-redemption story, while the Other serves best as a prop.

    I haven’t seen too much of this from Mohler. Perhaps you’re right in that he’s deemphasized race stories because of past miscalculations. I’ll keep listening.

  247. While civil rights protesters were beaten and children were blown apart by bombs, church members had said nothing. That would be “political,” church members said…

    Which is it? Did they say something or nothing?

  248. @Intelligent Dasein
    Jesus' human nature was taken from the flesh of his mother Mary, who was a lineal descendant of the House of David. David's appearance is described in the First Book of Kings (which the Protestants erroneously call the First Book of Samuel) as "ruddy." First Kings 16:12 (Douey-Rheims Bible) reads:

    He sent therefore and brought him. Now he was ruddy and beautiful to behold, and of a comely face. And the Lord said: Arise, and anoint him, for this is he.
     
    Now the word 'ruddy' in this context means red-haired or fair-haired, leading to the conclusion that David was of a generally Caucasian-like appearance. Michelangelo's famous statue of David, although it was contemplated rather than copied from models, is probably pretty close to his actual appearance.

    Since the House of David was descended from this ruddy or fair-haired man, it stands to reason that Mary was fair herself. And since Jesus' human nature was taken entirely from her, He could not help but be the spitting image of His mother.

    The Shroud of Turin gives a height for Jesus of about 5'10'' (rather tall for the time period) and generally Caucasoid facial features. Additionally, the earliest extant frescoes depicting Jesus, dating from the II Century A.D., are strikingly similar to the depictions of the Renaissance Masters. And since the very concept of "whiteness," let alone white supremacy, was unheard of at the time, the artists had no reason to lie.

    I’ve seen lots of orthodox christian palestinians that still live in Nazareth and Bethlehem who are the best approximation of the population during roman times and all of them were white skinned and lots had blue or green eyes.
    They looked more like greeks or italians then egyptians.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I’ve seen lots of orthodox christian palestinians that still live in Nazareth and Bethlehem who are the best approximation of the population during roman times and all of them were white skinned and lots had blue or green eyes.
    They looked more like greeks or italians then egyptians."

    The White skin Non Brown Palestinian Christians look like Ashkenazi Jews. There was a Palestinian Christian at my high school who has a hook nose and pasty pale skin. Which should not be surprising because genetics have proven that Palestinians are genetically closely related to Jews.

  249. @Forbes
    Follow the money.

    Follow the money. Some preachers make a good living passing the collection plate among a diverse congregation that includes lots of tithing immigrants. https://withoutwalls.org

  250. @Priss Factor
    Christianity is a great religion and did much good.

    But it has two tendencies that can be pain in the ass.

    1. Moral vanity. I'm so holy shmoly. Christians get off this like crackheads get off crack.
    This is why i don't care for pro-life crowd. I see compelling moral reasons for opposing abortion, but the pro-lifers just love feeling morally superior. Can't stand them.

    As the US is now ruled by the GLOB, the moral narrative is dominated by progs. So, Christians are now trying to prove their holy shmoliness by showing that they are also with the New Narrative program. So, we have homomania and xenomania for christ.
    When it comes to moral vanity, Christians gotta be #1. Since the new moral narrative is proggy, Christians desperately try to play to the GLOB.

    2. Guilt and redemption fetish. Christianity says we all killed Christ, but Jesus forgave us and we need to show that we sinners are worthy of His love by begging forgiveness and seeking redemption.

    The secular version of this is 'we oppressed negroes but MLK as new christ preached forgiveness and love, so we must live up to his dream.'

    Then, there is the mindset as combo of self-loathing and self-promotion.

    "I know I'm sinful and worthless, but since I admit I'm sinful and worthless, I'm so much better than those who don't know and admit they are sinful and worthless."

    The secular version of this, "I know I have white privilege but since I admit it, I'm better than those 'racists' who won't admit it. Nyah nyah."

    It's no wonder that Christianity is merging with the GLOB whether it's in the form of Moore or Pope.

    I don't need no stinking moral vanity.
    I don't need no stinking guilt and redemption.

    Not when I got the truth on my side.

    church of polly-theism says Moore shall burn in hell for his vanity and sicko fetish.

    Wow, you really go off on those GLOB’s …. Why?

  251. @candid_observer
    One thing I've become curious about is the scope of the so-called Alt-Right movement -- which is clearly going to get a lot more attention in the months to come -- and years to come, should Trump prevail (and likely even if he doesn't, given his level of support in the US -- winning the Republican nomination in something of a breeze considering his opposition from the powers-that-be is pretty hard not to notice).

    What are the sites which best represent that movement? Obviously, Unz is one such, maybe the most prominent, as well as VDare and Takis -- but where else?

    Any suggestions? It would be nice to compose a list. (Maybe it already exists?)

    Also, a compilation of Alt-Left sites would be good. (Personally, I'm far more Alt-left than anything else.)

    Anatoly Karlin is more or less an alt-lefter, but I don’t know of anyone else who is.

    It’s also a matter of how far out you want to go. I think ‘between Breitbart and Stormfront’ is probably a good operational definition.

  252. SFG says:
    @candid_observer
    I guess one obvious issue is: how does one define Alt-*?

    My guess is that the underlying common feature is a form of citizenism -- a commitment to the idea that a nation's interests and goals are properly represented by the authentic interests of its citizens. This particular commitment assumes a number of other things, can be justified in several ways (HBD being an obvious, but not necessary, one), and has a number of important consequences. But it does seem to be the consistent underlying feature of Alt-* thinking.

    I think you’re really just describing a nationalist–the word got a bad name after 1945. ‘Alt-right’ sounds edgier and cooler than ‘far-right’.

    Steve’s actually at the *moderate* end of the spectrum compared to, say, Jared Taylor, who’s moderate compared to the guys who threaten journalists.

    Not all HBDers are even on that position–Razib, for example, is more or less a conservatarian from what I’ve seen. JayMan’s a liberal.

    Still, the construct has validity–Trump is alt-center to the extent he’s for anything at all other than Trump.

    I used to joke that you can tell the far right (or alt-right) from the mainstream right when they hate Jews more than Muslims. Breitbart’s just before that crossover point–they’ve even got a Jerusalem subsite.

  253. @Anonym
    I would say breitbart.com is an alt-right site, though how much it will reliably be so in the future is a very open question. I would not be surprised if they attempt a swing to the GOPe in future, when the owners judge the time is right.

    Do they have a strong white-identity angle? They mostly seem to report on black/Latino crime, which any law-and-order type would approve of.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Maybe they aren't alt-right, although they have a lot of articles that I have enjoyed reading. There is a strong anti-Islam and anti-Islamic immigration sentiment on there. Lots of articles on that subject. Lots of articles about African and Muslim migrants. The comments are further to the right. They have definitely been pro-Trump.

    Is Citizenism alt-right?
  254. @Pseudonymic Handle
    I've seen lots of orthodox christian palestinians that still live in Nazareth and Bethlehem who are the best approximation of the population during roman times and all of them were white skinned and lots had blue or green eyes.
    They looked more like greeks or italians then egyptians.

    “I’ve seen lots of orthodox christian palestinians that still live in Nazareth and Bethlehem who are the best approximation of the population during roman times and all of them were white skinned and lots had blue or green eyes.
    They looked more like greeks or italians then egyptians.”

    The White skin Non Brown Palestinian Christians look like Ashkenazi Jews. There was a Palestinian Christian at my high school who has a hook nose and pasty pale skin. Which should not be surprising because genetics have proven that Palestinians are genetically closely related to Jews.

  255. @Glaivester
    Moore: The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin.

    What does he mean by "the next Billy Graham?" The next world evangelist? Or the next American evangelist? If the former, he could well be right and it would be fine, but I don't see how that would be a problem for "nativist" whites. No one is insisting that all evangelism should come form the United States or be done in English. There might well today be some very effective Chinese evangelists giving out the word in China who reach more people than Billy Graham. And that's fine.

    But it doesn't mean we have to destroy our country.

    If, on the other hand, he means that next American evangelist won't speak English, he is effectively acquiescing to the destruction of our nation.

    He is a traitor.

    He is saying, to young white Christians, the next Billy Graham will not be one of you. He says the same thing later, only slightly differently, when he describes Christ: He is not like you.

    This is, of course, a very insulting and discouraging thing to say to someone supposedly needing to be evangelized. No one would go into a classroom of black students and say, “The next MLK will likely be a red-headed Irish kid from Boston.” (Note: I’m not saying Graham and MLK are equivalent.)

    Even if such a thing were true demographically, a decent human being would still seek a way to encourage or inspire the audience he was trying to evangelize, rather than telling them their ancestors were little better than dog feces and they have no future in this world.

    For whites, there is more hope in a hit of meth than in the lecture Moore just gave. No wonder so many have turned to it.

    I am a deacon in an SBC church. I will no longer tag any tithes for the state convention of my home state. All will be for local use only. I want no part of helping fund Moore’s message to people like my own children. Life is hard enough without having this garbage heaped on their head.

  256. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I think sometimes we forget that the other side needs its views reinforced regularly, and that is the purpose of this piece – a credentialed Evangelical big mahoff calling Trump a racist (as if that needed to be written again) but more importantly offering a sort of Protestant excommunication of Evangelicals supporting Trump. It reinforces in the minds of the Upper West Side and media types (there is overlap here) what they already want to think of white Evangelicals.

     

    Yes, I agree that The Narrative requires constant maintenance, but then why do they need an evangelical to do this? Doesn't this create even more cognitive dissonance than usual in the underexercised minds of NYT readers?

    I guess you could argue that having an evangelical come in to the pages of the NYT to conduct a self-criticism session, in the Maoist mode, is entertaining and satisfying for the NYT's core readers. But I'm not sure good loyal liberal NYT readers need to be convinced by an evangelical that other evangelicals are doubleplusungood.

    In other words, your theory seems to me too subtle, too much like a double-bank shot. Isn't the simpler explanation that the NYT and our other Betters are more worried about upcoming presidential vote totals than they may be letting on, and they're trying to drive wedges into the enemy's already-unsettled voting bloc, and maybe even draw some of the wanderers into the lofty uplands of the D-voting Enlightened?

    Well, I’m of the view that any Evangelical who reads the NYT either in print or online is probably a Democrat voter anyway, likely a Bernie partisan. Note that Moore didn’t really examine his own beliefs and behaviors – he pointed the finger of blame squarely at the Evangelicals who haven’t yet been shamed into changing their view to match his by prior, less vicious slanders. I think it gives the NYT types a jolly to have a purported Evangelical leader burn his “flock” this way – that they’re not really “good [anti-white] Christians anyway,” which reinforces their own narrative about “real Christians” who would be enacting the left’s program anyway. Interestingly, these same types tell Muslims who the real Muslims are, which is to say not the terrorist, honor-killing, woman-beating types.

    I’d imagine the further use of this piece may come later – one of the Sunday shows may invite Moore on to expound upon his thesis and state more slanders, or it will be used as material for the cross-examination of some Republican Evangelical candidate(s) who supports Trump.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    I think it gives the NYT types a jolly to have a purported Evangelical leader burn his “flock” this way – that they’re not really “good [anti-white] Christians anyway,” which reinforces their own narrative about “real Christians” who would be enacting the left’s program anyway. Interestingly, these same types tell Muslims who the real Muslims are, which is to say not the terrorist, honor-killing, woman-beating types.

    I’d imagine the further use of this piece may come later – one of the Sunday shows may invite Moore on to expound upon his thesis and state more slanders, or it will be used as material for the cross-examination of some Republican Evangelical candidate(s) who supports Trump.
     

    This is great analysis; it'll be interesting to see if Moore does indeed suddenly become a Sunday morning darling on the screen -- rather than in the pulpit!
  257. @SFG
    Do they have a strong white-identity angle? They mostly seem to report on black/Latino crime, which any law-and-order type would approve of.

    Maybe they aren’t alt-right, although they have a lot of articles that I have enjoyed reading. There is a strong anti-Islam and anti-Islamic immigration sentiment on there. Lots of articles on that subject. Lots of articles about African and Muslim migrants. The comments are further to the right. They have definitely been pro-Trump.

    Is Citizenism alt-right?

  258. “Crime of crimes, throughout our history the Catholic religion has been the great pimp, the great crossbreeder of noble races, the great procuress for the corrupt….The Catholic religion, founded by 12 Jews, will have proudly fulfilled its role when we have all disappeared under the great boggy waves of that giant Asiatic whorehouse brewing on the horizon.”

    – Louis-Ferdinand Celine

  259. @International Jew
    Jesus was a Jew. You're telling me I can't tell Jewish jokes now?

    Besides, saying "...he'd be alive now" would get me in a heap of trouble with my rabbi too.

    Btw, do you know the Leonardo da Vinci Last Supper joke?
    "Table for 26, name's Jesus."
    "26? There's only 13 of you."
    "We like to all sit on the same side, lol."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo_da_Vinci)#/media/File%3A%C3%9Altima_Cena_-_Da_Vinci_5.jpg

    Your joke was amusing enough, but maybe it was a dinner theatre and they all wanted a good view of the show.

  260. @Jefferson
    "Yikes. Maybe they should a Muslim mayor just to be safe, like Londoners just did."

    The Liberals in the comments section of The New York Times just had an orgasm at London electing a Muslim for mayor.

    It's weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    Why do Atheists want so badly to be ruled over by Muslims? It must be a Cuck fantasy for Atheists to want to live in a society like Syria or Yemen.

    Atheists who love Muslims remind me of Feminazis who say there is a war on women, yet they only date thugs or bad boys and do not give nice guys the time of the day.

    It’s weird seeing a bunch of Godless Liberal Atheists who claim they hate religion, yet want to see more Muslims in positions of power.

    They don’t hate religion; they hate Christianity and Christians.

  261. @Anonymous
    The problem with this theory is that the lineage of David led to Joseph, not Mary.

    The problem with this theory is that the lineage of David led to Joseph, not Mary.

    Actually, both St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary were of the House of David. The genealogy given in the Gospel of St. Luke, Chapter III is that of Mary.

  262. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…Romans didn’t like the idea of a new kind of universalism…”

    Though it might be that rich Roman women wanted the type of religion that theologians such as Origen crafted as they formulated what Christianity meant in practice. I think Origen was supported by rich Roman women at a number of critical times when it mattered. I’ve also seen somewhere that Christianity received a great assist when rich young women were willing to die in public for it.

  263. @Alec Leamas
    Well, I'm of the view that any Evangelical who reads the NYT either in print or online is probably a Democrat voter anyway, likely a Bernie partisan. Note that Moore didn't really examine his own beliefs and behaviors - he pointed the finger of blame squarely at the Evangelicals who haven't yet been shamed into changing their view to match his by prior, less vicious slanders. I think it gives the NYT types a jolly to have a purported Evangelical leader burn his "flock" this way - that they're not really "good [anti-white] Christians anyway," which reinforces their own narrative about "real Christians" who would be enacting the left's program anyway. Interestingly, these same types tell Muslims who the real Muslims are, which is to say not the terrorist, honor-killing, woman-beating types.

    I'd imagine the further use of this piece may come later - one of the Sunday shows may invite Moore on to expound upon his thesis and state more slanders, or it will be used as material for the cross-examination of some Republican Evangelical candidate(s) who supports Trump.

    I think it gives the NYT types a jolly to have a purported Evangelical leader burn his “flock” this way – that they’re not really “good [anti-white] Christians anyway,” which reinforces their own narrative about “real Christians” who would be enacting the left’s program anyway. Interestingly, these same types tell Muslims who the real Muslims are, which is to say not the terrorist, honor-killing, woman-beating types.

    I’d imagine the further use of this piece may come later – one of the Sunday shows may invite Moore on to expound upon his thesis and state more slanders, or it will be used as material for the cross-examination of some Republican Evangelical candidate(s) who supports Trump.

    This is great analysis; it’ll be interesting to see if Moore does indeed suddenly become a Sunday morning darling on the screen — rather than in the pulpit!

  264. @Jefferson
    What a coincidence that a remake of Roots and Nat Turner's The Birth Of A Nation is coming out during a presidential election season. Django Unchained came out during the 2012 presidential election season.

    No doubt Hollywood will release another Negro slave movie during the 2020 presidential election season.

    Wouldn’t that film be better named “Afterbirth of a Nation”?

  265. @John Derbyshire
    "I like the Church of England better than Our Lord"—Orwell

    Yeah, Churchill was a lot like Karl Marx – upper class poof who had all the time, money, contacts, and connections to write tomes full of memorable quotes.

  266. The man on the throne in heaven is a dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking “foreigner”

    How the hell does he know what color skin “the man on the throne” has? Jesus’s mother may have been a Levantine Jew, but if his religion is right then Jesus’s father was God. How does he know what skin color genes God passed on to His son?

    By suggesting that Jesus was genetically Jewish rather than genetically the son of God, this man implies he doesn’t believe his own damn religion.

  267. @Tracy
    And that's why I'm glad to be a Catholic, a member of a religion that has Tradition and the Magisterium along with Sacred Scripture instead of "sola scriptura." The Catholic Church teaches (in spite of what many in today's Vatican wish, including the Pope himself) that subsidiarity is key to political thinking. Catholic teaching doesn't gibe with what Steve calls "leapfrogging loyalties" (see The Morality of Everyday Life, from Culture Wars.

    There's a reason why God dealt with the Tower of Babel as He did.

    And that’s why I’m glad to be a Catholic, a member of a religion that has Tradition and the Magisterium along with Sacred Scripture instead of “sola scriptura.”

    What constitutes the scripture? The answer depends on history or tradition, i.e., the apostolic succession (or something along those lines). In other words, it’s immediately evident that “sola scriptura” is impossible.

  268. I see compelling moral reasons for opposing abortion

    That’s the understatement of the century. There only three valid, general reasons for supporting abortion: it’s the status quo (morally bankrupt, but still valid), pregnancy is inconvenient (AKA, I don’t want to look fat), and it’s the only thing keeping the black birth rate under control. And only two of them can be mentioned in public. Adoption checks the rest.

    Note that I’m in favor of leaving abortion alone. But all of the moral arguments are on the pro-life side. All.

    This is good in a way, we need to realize that Christianity is the enemy and always has been, despite what paleos and nostalgists say.

    The (((Culture of Critique))) agrees 100%.

    For any prominent Christian — indeed, for any Christian — racism is a sin.

    That’s heresy. God is a racist.

    Not all HBDers are even on that position–Razib, for example, is more or less a conservatarian from what I’ve seen. JayMan’s a liberal.

    I knew “opposes free speech” was a plank in the liberal platform, so no surprise there. But this is the first time I’ve seen the word, “conservatarian,” so the fact that they also oppose free speech is news to me. Good to know.

    I used to joke that you can tell the far right (or alt-right) from the mainstream right when they hate Jews more than Muslims. Breitbart’s just before that crossover point–they’ve even got a Jerusalem subsite.

    So my “a pox on both their houses” stance makes me, what? Perfectly poised on the border?

  269. @Leftist conservative
    those at the top of all our institutions, they always want more more MOAR human livestock--more taxpayers, more workers, more consumers, more worshipers, etc....so of course those who are in charge will favor immigration. And of course those who pander to those in charge, those who create propaganda for those in charge, then they too will favor immigration.

    The battle is not between right and left...there is only the battle between ordinary american citizens versus those at the top and their minions. Do we live in a human livestock ranch, where the elite farm us for profits? Or is this a nation full of citizens who control that nation to their own benefit?

    Do we live in a human livestock ranch, where the elite farm us for profits?

    Yes, we do, and the fascinating thing is that – unlike cattle ranchers — the owners prefer their livestock to be of low quality!

    • Replies: @Leftist conservative
    uneducated foreigner proles have more kids, as opposed to educated foreigners....more kids--> more workers/consumers---> more profits....meanwhile the influx of foreigners pushes young white americans into college and more debt ---> mo' money mo' money mo' money for the big corporations....more more MOAR....
  270. Leftist conservative [AKA "Make Unz.com Great Again"] says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    Do we live in a human livestock ranch, where the elite farm us for profits?
     
    Yes, we do, and the fascinating thing is that - unlike cattle ranchers -- the owners prefer their livestock to be of low quality!

    uneducated foreigner proles have more kids, as opposed to educated foreigners….more kids–> more workers/consumers—> more profits….meanwhile the influx of foreigners pushes young white americans into college and more debt —> mo’ money mo’ money mo’ money for the big corporations….more more MOAR….

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    uneducated foreigner proles have more kids, as opposed to educated foreigners….more kids–> more workers/consumers—> more profits
     
    But educated or productive whites would have had more kids if incentivized to do so. The ranch owners' actions reveal a preference for inferior stock.
  271. @Intelligent Dasein
    Jesus' human nature was taken from the flesh of his mother Mary, who was a lineal descendant of the House of David. David's appearance is described in the First Book of Kings (which the Protestants erroneously call the First Book of Samuel) as "ruddy." First Kings 16:12 (Douey-Rheims Bible) reads:

    He sent therefore and brought him. Now he was ruddy and beautiful to behold, and of a comely face. And the Lord said: Arise, and anoint him, for this is he.
     
    Now the word 'ruddy' in this context means red-haired or fair-haired, leading to the conclusion that David was of a generally Caucasian-like appearance. Michelangelo's famous statue of David, although it was contemplated rather than copied from models, is probably pretty close to his actual appearance.

    Since the House of David was descended from this ruddy or fair-haired man, it stands to reason that Mary was fair herself. And since Jesus' human nature was taken entirely from her, He could not help but be the spitting image of His mother.

    The Shroud of Turin gives a height for Jesus of about 5'10'' (rather tall for the time period) and generally Caucasoid facial features. Additionally, the earliest extant frescoes depicting Jesus, dating from the II Century A.D., are strikingly similar to the depictions of the Renaissance Masters. And since the very concept of "whiteness," let alone white supremacy, was unheard of at the time, the artists had no reason to lie.

    What is the point of this post ?

  272. @Leftist conservative
    uneducated foreigner proles have more kids, as opposed to educated foreigners....more kids--> more workers/consumers---> more profits....meanwhile the influx of foreigners pushes young white americans into college and more debt ---> mo' money mo' money mo' money for the big corporations....more more MOAR....

    uneducated foreigner proles have more kids, as opposed to educated foreigners….more kids–> more workers/consumers—> more profits

    But educated or productive whites would have had more kids if incentivized to do so. The ranch owners’ actions reveal a preference for inferior stock.

  273. @Priss Factor
    "The center of gravity for both orthodoxy and evangelism is not among Anglo suburban evangelicals but among African Anglicans and Asian Calvinists and Latin American Pentecostals. The vital core of American evangelicalism today can be found in churches that are multiethnic and increasingly dominated by immigrant communities."

    O-kay!!

    It's all about consumers for Christ. We need more immigrants to buy Evanjelly horsedung.

    I guess evanjellies are okay to NYT as long as they push for open borders.

    This is why Christianity is dangerous. Its primary identity is 'Christian' than 'racial or national brethren'.

    Did the fool ever ask why the community became majority black? Cuz of black crime and violence, surely. Indeed, it was fear of black crime and violence that accounted for white southerners resistance to so-called Civil Rights Movement.
    Jews certainly seem to understand why West Bank needs harsh measures to deal with Pallies.

    He talks of bombings as if tons of Negroes died in them. Just a handful did.
    Many more whites were killed at the hands of black thugs. But no mention of that.

    MLK was a thug who whored around and beat up women and laughed about it. Some man of peace.

    How often do you hear "go back to africa"? white folks are too scared of negroes to say such stuff.

    If anything Trump and his supporters are saying LEAVE OTHER NATIONS ALONE.

    Like the rest of your comment your anti-Christian bigotry is just boring sophistry. Trump won the evangelical vote – 2 to 1, and that over a “bona fide” evangelical in Cruz. Dig deep and find a particle of fair-mindedness within bigot, or drop out altogether. We don’t need another White with a negro emote-a-minute mentality.

  274. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    My mother-in-law blamed the California fiasco on Trump's "inflammatory" rhetoric. I asked her what he said that was so bad. Her reply, "He called all Mexican Americans rapists."

    That's our world.

    Interestingly, “Mother-in-law” is an anagram for “woman Hitler.”

  275. Nico says:

    The bottom line as everyone knows is that white Christians who kowtow to the intellectual postcolonial paradigm nourished and encouraged by white ex-Christians to turn Third Worlders against both whites AND Christians imagine that by doing so they will convince Third Worlders to turn to Christianity and hey, perhaps Moore even thinks that his new brethren will be there to spare his own life in the upcoming upheaval.

    Such people are in for a bad surprise. I suspect many of them will be in for an even worse surprise after they are slaughtered.

  276. @Priss Factor
    I don't need no stinkin' Baptism.

    I have my own religion, Polly-theism.

    And now I speak unto you the Truth of Polly.

    These are the hardcore truths without the flaky assurances one finds in New Age fads.

    We believe in heaven and hell, and the sinners according to the church of Polly shall be condemned for all eternity.

    And now hear ye, for I shall reveal the truth that is the only true truth, the violation of which shall bring upon you punishment worse than a date with Lena Dunham or Lindsey Graham.

    If you support the homo agenda, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support open borders, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support amnesty for illegals, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support more wars for Israel, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support excessive race-mixing, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you listen to gangsta rap , YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you believe Bruce Jenner is a woman, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you voted for Obama, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you won't stop eating pork, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL. (pigs are too smart like dogs)

    If you are a fan of Star Trek, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you liked the new Star Wars movie, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you accept the regression to the bean, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support BLM, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you think Madmen is the best TV show ever, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support a new cold war with Russia, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you support Merkel, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you condemn Orban, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you read NYT other than to mock it, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you are into grunge culture, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    If you are a fan of post-Reservoir tarantino, YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL.

    Perfect, except the word “excessive” is itself excessive!

  277. Russell Moore’s views are heretical on many levels. As for his claim that Christ was “dark skinned,” I wonder if this idiot has ever looked around the Middle East. The Mid-East is full of light-skinned people.

    I’ve only shared a couple of my blog posts on this site, but I think this one is worth reading:
    http://colrebsez.blogspot.com/2016/05/baptist-leader-moore-goes-off-tracks.html

  278. @Priss Factor
    Moore looks like a tootkin. He seems married with children, but just look at him. He looks fruitier than Marco Rubberio.

    http://www.bc.edu/centers/boisi/publicevents/s14/russell-moore/_jcr_content/content/bcimage_0.img.jpg/1393360038159.jpg

    http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/Christianity/RussellMoore.jpg

    http://news.sbts.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/20120924_1309-color1.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ugr_Dc_V7Ek/maxresdefault.jpg

    Perhaps not surprisingly, he shares a number of facial features with Paul Ryan. That’s not a compliment.

  279. >>> “Go back to Africa”

    I didn’t think of that one, but I will start using it. In St Petersburg, FL, we have the Uhuru’s, who call themselves “Africans”.

  280. Just how does Russell Moore know that the man on the throne is dark skinned, that anyone in this nether world of his has colored skin at all, that he is so confident in his historical knowledge of Jesus that he was indeed dark skinned and not some kind of mix? Was Eusebius wrong? Half right?

    Some years ago I came across this statement: “The Reverend John O’Brien stated over Cardinal O’Connell’s stamp, that the Pope does not receive revelation nor inspiration.”

    If that is true, then Russell presumes greater spiritual acumen than the Pope and all the underlings, direct and indirect. Susan B Anthony expressed my sentiment:

    “I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”

    As did Morgan Freeman in Bruce Almighty: “Ha ha ha. That’s your problem Bruce—that’s everybody’s problem. You keep looking up.”

    It should be obvious to all Christians at the least, that people everywhere create God, including his gender and skin color in their own image.

  281. @Jefferson
    "They should be careful for what they wish for. Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism posted a good rant titled “Who will pay for everything when the white people are gone”?"

    Most Asian Americans earn enough money to pay income taxes, so they will pay for the welfare safety nest of the NAM underclass.

    You will start seeing Negro and Chicano Section 8 Housing popping up in affluent Asian American suburbs in The San Gabriel Valley and The Bay Area for example.

    From what I saw on this Youtube clip. I think Asians- Americans won’t stay too close to them and some might defend their property like the Korean community did during the LA riots of 1992.

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