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Sam Rockwell’s Golden Globes Win Fuels a Debate
By REGGIE UGWU JAN. 7, 2018

Sam Rockwell is the kind of actor for whom “supporting actor” categories were invented: a steady, colorful presence in acclaimed movies that are often headlined by higher-wattage stars. So plenty of people were happy to see him take home the Golden Globe for actor in a supporting role Sunday night.

But not everyone was pleased with the movie, and performance, for which he won the honor. “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri” — Martin McDonagh’s violent revenge parable starring Mr. Rockwell and Frances McDormand — has been the subject of fierce debate on social media and among critics who have sparred over both its artistic merits and its racial politics.

Mr. Rockwell’s character is a police officer who, among other sins, is deeply racist.

On Twitter, some expressed disappointment that the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which produces the Globes, rewarded the film, while others said their enthusiasm for Mr. Rockwell was dampened by their distaste for his character.

Rockwell’s performance seemed awfully authentic to me, since it was almost an exact perfect impression, including body language and gait, of a distant relation of mine (whom I presume he’s never met).

As for Ebbing, Missouri, I’d say it’s the kind of movie that would be better off in the long run if it doesn’t win Best Picture.

 
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  1. At least the MTV Movie/TV Awards are honest enough to have “Best Villain” as an award.

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    We are nearing the end of this American experiment in democracy and multiculturalism.....

    I fear military rule comes next once these random identity groups start demanding ransoms of huge portions of GDP....
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  2. A Person Of Color in whiteface should have played this deplorable racist role.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    A Person Of Color in whiteface should have played this deplorable racist role.
     
    Or, Harvey Keitel-style, in white-something-else.
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  3. Awards should only be given to actors who play woke characters. If the character’s dialog doesn’t contain a denunciation of white supremacy, the character is problematic

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Yet Hollywood supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY.
    And no Hollywood / media mention of:

    Israel to shut migrant centre and deport Africans
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/
    or:
    Israel will pay African migrants to leave, to jail if they don't accept.
    http://news.trust.org/item/20180103115805-egc1s
    "Netanyahu has called the migrants' presence a threat to Israel's social fabric and Jewish character, and one government minister has referred to them as "a cancer"."

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  4. Reggie Ugwu is from Nigeria and is a decent and intelligent writer

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/my-fathers-house?utm_term=.lrL441XLnV#.ivgeerDQL3

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    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Nigeria needs writers.

    Nigeria needs writers rather more than America does; we have them aplenty.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    More salient is that he's Igbo, the tribe often referred to as "the Jews of Africa".
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  5. @Clyde
    Reggie Ugwu is from Nigeria and is a decent and intelligent writer
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/my-fathers-house?utm_term=.lrL441XLnV#.ivgeerDQL3

    Nigeria needs writers.

    Nigeria needs writers rather more than America does; we have them aplenty.

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    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    Second generation African immigrant Americans usually have a bigger racial chip on their shoulders than their parents. Another big reason to halt all African immigration to America.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    But does Nigeria have any readers? Also, yes indeed, cease all immigrants from the vibrant counties.
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  6. Unironically the left wants us to go artistically backwards. Art, when not child porn or preserved sharks, is to be simplistic parables, and even the actor playing the role of a bad guy should feel bad about the fictitious character, perhaps revealing this by not doing a good job. Eventually the Krugmans and Nyes will have the wider world so well sorted out that it will no longer be necessary to have any sort of bad guy.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.
    , @Ivy
    Soviets had their take on Realist Art and the New Soviet Man. America will keep getting its SJW Committee Art, for a little while more. Hillary was to be the New American Man, but that plan was upset.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_realism

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  7. OT: Salvadorans, moral preeners, and cheap labor lobby pissed that something called “Temporary Protected Status” is actually meant to be, ya know, temporary.

    Also, people who rail against the term “anchor babies” tell us that we can’t deport 200,000 Salvadorans because of all their, uh, anchor thingies.

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  8. @J.Ross
    Unironically the left wants us to go artistically backwards. Art, when not child porn or preserved sharks, is to be simplistic parables, and even the actor playing the role of a bad guy should feel bad about the fictitious character, perhaps revealing this by not doing a good job. Eventually the Krugmans and Nyes will have the wider world so well sorted out that it will no longer be necessary to have any sort of bad guy.

    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It’s a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

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    Why?
    , @J.Ross
    ... so in other words you agree that this was to be a parable with a spelled-out moral manifesting in the fate of the character, and not just a story?
    Do you think that Roman Polanski agrees that rich men should get to attack young women given the "consequences" at the end of -- you know what, bad example. Do you think that the makers of Miracle Mile actually wanted to see LA burn?
    , @Tex


    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It’s a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.
     
    What does facing consequences have to do with a character being well-written? It may be satisfying to an audience, or it might not, but it doesn't have anything to do with being well-written. In fact, I'd think it might make a character more believable. Ditto on the guilt. In my experience, consequences tend to be hit or miss, and seldom enacted in a fashion that fits neatly into a two-hour film.

    I also have a notion that recognition of excellence in acting, depends on the quality of the acting.
    , @anon
    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed.

    I haven't seen the movie, but lots of people in real life don't face any consequences, or even guilt, for the things they do. That doesn't seem like it would necessarily mean the character is poorly written.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    The Hayes code is over. Having evil characters face no consequences (at least in this world) is not poor writing: it's reality. Remember "Chinatown"? Or how about "The Great Gatsby," in which New Money and No Money people pay a heavy price for their sins but Old Money people do not?
    , @guest
    "If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good"

    It's an acting award, not a writing award.

    I can see the Golden Globes demuring from rewarding crap movies, even if the acting is stellar. Because it would hurt their reputation. But this is an otherwise highly-regarded movie, up for other awards.

    I remember reading a person once denigrating the performance of Anthony Mackie in the Hurt Locker. Another person defended him, saying something like "Don't you know how important his character is to the story?" I thought "Who cares?" That's not the subject at hand.

    People sometimes get their wires crossed, but separating performance from writing shouldn't be this complicated.
    , @SteveM

    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed.
     
    "Poorly written"? American law enforcement at all levels is suffused with Goon Brain cops who act and think exactly like Sam Rockwell's character. And OBTW, they almost always get away with their beat downs and other violations of constitutional rights and civil liberties. The Goons merely retreat back to the squad room and safely yuk it up over donuts.

    Writing Rockwell's character any other way would have made it poorly written.

    P.S. fortuitous cell phone video capture is our only defense.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    "The Wire" is one of the best-written and most realistic things I've ever seen. Not only better than almost any television series, but better than almost any movie. And you know what? At the end of it, a fair number of the bad guys got away without consequences. That's part of what made the show feel real.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences
     
    That sounds completely reasonable. The temptation is to assume a witch hunt based strictly on the actor's race and/or political tribal affiliation.

    I do like when this crowd exercises same calm restraint.
    , @dr kill
    Is it fair to say that your favorite tales (parables) begin with 'Once upon a time' and end with 'They all lived H A E'?
    In real life no one ever pays.
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  9. @J.Ross
    Unironically the left wants us to go artistically backwards. Art, when not child porn or preserved sharks, is to be simplistic parables, and even the actor playing the role of a bad guy should feel bad about the fictitious character, perhaps revealing this by not doing a good job. Eventually the Krugmans and Nyes will have the wider world so well sorted out that it will no longer be necessary to have any sort of bad guy.

    Soviets had their take on Realist Art and the New Soviet Man. America will keep getting its SJW Committee Art, for a little while more. Hillary was to be the New American Man, but that plan was upset.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_realism

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    "They should make nails out of such men, they would be the strongest nails in the world!" -- V. Mayakovsky
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  10. @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    Why?

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    An actor can always turn down any role. Arguably, taking a bad role reflects poorly on an actor. I do concede that other factors can complicate this rule. I suppose there are some actors who can't afford to turn down any roles. I don't know if this was the case here.
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  11. @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    … so in other words you agree that this was to be a parable with a spelled-out moral manifesting in the fate of the character, and not just a story?
    Do you think that Roman Polanski agrees that rich men should get to attack young women given the “consequences” at the end of — you know what, bad example. Do you think that the makers of Miracle Mile actually wanted to see LA burn?

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  12. @Ivy
    Soviets had their take on Realist Art and the New Soviet Man. America will keep getting its SJW Committee Art, for a little while more. Hillary was to be the New American Man, but that plan was upset.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_realism

    “They should make nails out of such men, they would be the strongest nails in the world!” — V. Mayakovsky

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  13. @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It’s a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    What does facing consequences have to do with a character being well-written? It may be satisfying to an audience, or it might not, but it doesn’t have anything to do with being well-written. In fact, I’d think it might make a character more believable. Ditto on the guilt. In my experience, consequences tend to be hit or miss, and seldom enacted in a fashion that fits neatly into a two-hour film.

    I also have a notion that recognition of excellence in acting, depends on the quality of the acting.

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    Sometimes consequences are necessary for the story to be believable. For instance, the protagonist of the current Star Wars movies is crap because she's perfect at everything and gets out of too many situations too easily. Much more than other characters, as if she occupies an overlapping parallel universe.

    But only sometimes is this the case. I haven't seen the movie under discussion, so I couldn't say. But the idea that the character is poorly written because he doesn't face consequences is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence.

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  14. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed.

    I haven’t seen the movie, but lots of people in real life don’t face any consequences, or even guilt, for the things they do. That doesn’t seem like it would necessarily mean the character is poorly written.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Crimes and Misdemeanors is half about a man who murders his mistress and neither faces any consequences nor feels any guilt. It has been consistently lauded as one of the best films of its decade and many argue it is Woody Allen's masterpiece.
    , @Nico
    Film is primarily a narrative medium, though, and the narrative story is all about action and consequence, conflict and resolution. For a writer to introduce a conflict without resolving it, as in Chinatown, enters Uncanny Valley in a way that can still be engrossing notwithstanding the “creepy” feel it naturally imparts to its viewers. For a writer to introduce conflicts and not even follow up feels like a cop-out. Mostly it’s sloppy writing.
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  15. @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    The Hayes code is over. Having evil characters face no consequences (at least in this world) is not poor writing: it’s reality. Remember “Chinatown”? Or how about “The Great Gatsby,” in which New Money and No Money people pay a heavy price for their sins but Old Money people do not?

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    • Replies: @Moses
    Wait, what? No, reality is when the nerdling wins over the jock or bad boy to get the hot popular girl in the end. Everyone knows that's what happens IRL.
    , @PiltdownMan

    The Hayes code is over. Having evil characters face no consequences (at least in this world) is not poor writing: it’s reality. Remember “Chinatown”? Or how about “The Great Gatsby,” in which New Money and No Money people pay a heavy price for their sins but Old Money people do not?
     
    The Hayes code may be over, but so are the 1970s and the American New Wave in cinema (aka New Hollywood).

    Many of the great movies from young, new directors in that period, from the late '60s to the mid-70s, would likely be excorciated for all kinds of spurious reasons today, from misogyny to an excess of whiteness. Midnight Cowboy, Easy Rider, Klute, Last Tango in Paris, Dirty Harry, The French Connection, Five Easy Pieces, Carnal Knowledge...I can see that today's bluestockings would find rich pickings, so many things wrong in so many ways, in those movies from almost five decades ago.
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  16. On Twitter, some expressed disappointment that the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which produces the Globes, rewarded the film, while others said their enthusiasm for Mr. Rockwell was dampened by their distaste for his character.

    And yet they probably wouldn’t have had any problem if he had won an award for playing Hannibal Lecter.

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  17. @Rosamond Vincy
    The Hayes code is over. Having evil characters face no consequences (at least in this world) is not poor writing: it's reality. Remember "Chinatown"? Or how about "The Great Gatsby," in which New Money and No Money people pay a heavy price for their sins but Old Money people do not?

    Wait, what? No, reality is when the nerdling wins over the jock or bad boy to get the hot popular girl in the end. Everyone knows that’s what happens IRL.

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Sure, and Molly Ringwald ends up with
    Michael Schoeffling rather than Anthony Michael Hall
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  18. It’s incredibly frustrating that such an important immigration debate is happening right now and all anyone can talk about is Bannon or that stupid book. No wonder everybody hates Washington.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Frustrating or telling? And who's "everyone"?
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  19. But…but…didn’t the new black CofP put ol’ Sam in his place? Sure, he gave Sam the ol’ what-for and turned him around to see the errors of his ways – didn’t he, huh!

    A predictable racist moment that all true racists can giggle through.

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  20. @Berty
    It's incredibly frustrating that such an important immigration debate is happening right now and all anyone can talk about is Bannon or that stupid book. No wonder everybody hates Washington.

    Frustrating or telling? And who’s “everyone”?

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    Everybody is everybody. Nobody on any side likes Washington, albeit for their own reasons.
    , @J.Ross
    Your happiness and sense of purpose is proportional to how much of the mainstream media you let into your life. NPR and BBC can't shut up about the Wolff book. As far as I have listened they have said nothing meaningful or legally consequential. You can join their mantra session if you want to. There's other people talking about other things, eg the honorable Mr Nunes pursuing evidence of Fusion GPS confecting the whole Russian hackers story in order to commit sedition (Strzok's "insurance policy").
    Don't accept the presupposition that the spawn of Edward Bernays* are "everyone" or that what they choose to focus on is noteworthy.
    (*This include MSM gentiles and excludes non-MSM Jews.)
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  21. OT Daily Caller is saying that Nunes (who, with Grassley, are Congressional big wheels, who are not necessarily fans of Trump, but who are informed and serious about pursuing Democratic Party criminals) now has the paperwork used to start the FISA wiretapping on the Trunp campaign. This is so big the MSM will start just reading FaF excerpts on the air.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/08/exclusive-house-intel-information-has-received-all-docs-on-trump-dossier-from-doj-and-fb-i/

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    • Replies: @guest
    The House Intelligence Committee is busy cross-referencing the Trump "dossier" with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the Donation of Constantine, and Comey's Secret Diary in order to gauge its precise level of B.S.-ness.
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  22. @J.Ross
    Frustrating or telling? And who's "everyone"?

    Everybody is everybody. Nobody on any side likes Washington, albeit for their own reasons.

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  23. anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT, but David Brooks has chimed in to tell us what separates fake journalism from the real stuff produced by the likes of David Brooks:

    Fox News pioneered modern lowbrowism. The modern lowbrow (think Sean Hannity or Dinesh D’Souza) ignores normal journalistic or intellectual standards. He creates a style of communication that doesn’t make you think more; it makes you think and notice less. He offers a steady diet of affirmation, focuses on simple topics that require little background information, and gets viewers addicted to daily doses of righteous contempt and delicious vindication.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opinion/anti-trump-opposition.html

    The irony is magnificent. It’s actually not that bad of an article for the NYT, but in true Brooksian fashion, he seems to have just now noticed that the anti-Trump movement contains a lot of dummies. Perhaps he’s just too good of a journalist to have noticed all the pussy hat people or the legions of self-proclaimed experts on Russian spy operations.

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    Anyone can compare Dystopia USA's Storm series (or that George guy's exhaustively linked and sourced timeline of the Awan story) to a wind-up doll chanting "Russian hackers" and see what involves knowledge and noticing. Heartiste regularly links peer-reviewed scientific studies: when has Brooks done so?
    Also, I don't like D'Souza and intend no disrespect to Hannity, but D'Souza was a highly educated White House official, and the producer of the most successful political documentary ever: Hannity is a house painter who built a following on talk radio. Only someone like David Brooks would see them as stylistically similar. David Brooks a year ago did a vanity piece about taking some shiksa peasant girl who washed his feet to an upmarket sandwich shop and chuckled over how deeply impressed she was. Not enough bricks can fall on his enormous head.
    , @guest
    Journalism was totally highbrow before Fox News, guys.

    Also, sexual intercourse began in 1963.
    , @whorefinder
    At this point, Brooks, like Fred Reed, has gone completely native.
    , @Maj. Kong
    Brooks is right in ripping Dinesh. D'Souza is an unethical plagiarist that "punches right" and never gets called on it because he isn't white.

    Has Dinesh ever called out his co-ethnics for voting BJP in India but Democrat here? Has he ever called one of his co-ethics anti-white?
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  24. writer is a dumb, affirmative action hire–NY Times arts coverage has become a joke. nothing more needs to be said.

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  25. Actors don’t get any better than Sam Rockwell. Moon. Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. The man is su effing perb. Any acknowledgment of his artistry is welcome to my mind.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Sam Rockwell is better than Woody Harrelson and Frances McDormand in this "Ebbing" movie and I like them a lot.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Michelle, or in "Mr. Right", which is more of a lowbrow guy movie, but he is good.
    , @L Bean
    He's also really excellent in that Jesse James movie where he plays a nervous member of James' gang. Seriously rec it, even Brad Pitt is bearable in this film.
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  26. @Moses
    Wait, what? No, reality is when the nerdling wins over the jock or bad boy to get the hot popular girl in the end. Everyone knows that's what happens IRL.

    Sure, and Molly Ringwald ends up with
    Michael Schoeffling rather than Anthony Michael Hall

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    John Hughes didn't shy away from those realities of the male/female dichotomy. In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn't get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Some critics claimed Hughes "fixed" this incongruity in Some Kind of Wonderful, where the lead male character gets with his alleged-ugly duckling best friend Mary Stuart Masterson versus the popular chick Lea Thompson, thereby finally giving the "outcast" best friend/sidekick the lead's love.

    Except the sexes are deliberately reversed, and Mary Stuart Masterson is clearly a very cute outcast chick just dressed not-like-a-prom-queen. Because for men, the social status of the girl he likes doesn't matter, it's about her looks, and most men can see through a girl's non-made-up facade to see she's got a cute face and decent body (although glamming her up will increase the "wow" factor when looking at her). But for girls, status matters.

    Nerd-gets-the-hot-girl movies are geared towards guys, most of whom by definition are not alpha, and therefore enjoy the story where they finally get the hot girl who is now out of reach. But after so many movies and TV shows promise this to guys and reality doesn't deliver, we get a lot of confusion and misery among guys, for whom pop culture has lied to them about the nature of women. Enter Game, PUA lifestyles, and the Alt-Right to fill the void.

    Notably, because the nerds don't get the girls but the alphas do, Sixteen Candles and Pretty in Pink, were/are more popular with teen girls than with boys. And of course Grease, which, in addition to being a musical, is the story of the good girl who tames the bad boy---and the alpha bad boy of the local gang at that. If it were for boys, the nerd would have beaten up John Travolta after showing him to be a pig and Sandy would have swooned for the nerd.

    , @guest
    It was nice that Molly Ringwald ended up with Andrew McCarthy instead of Duckie, however.
    , @oddsbodkins
    Nope. Molly ends up with Long Duk Dong.
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  27. From what I gather, he should’ve gotten an Uncle Tom Lifetime Achievement award.

    Just to state the obvious: The New York Times considers this newsworthy, the grievances worth airing. But the grievances of anyone to the right of the left half of the GOPe, not so much.

    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It’s a reasonable critique of the character.

    This is a show for adults, right? I can see your criterion as being valid for entertainment meant for small, simple, undeveloped minds.

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  28. Fox News pioneered modern lowbrowism.

    Having no principles beyond Israeli and Jewish interests ain’t exactly Goethe.

    Journalism is, and always has been, lowbrow.

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  29. @anon
    OT, but David Brooks has chimed in to tell us what separates fake journalism from the real stuff produced by the likes of David Brooks:

    Fox News pioneered modern lowbrowism. The modern lowbrow (think Sean Hannity or Dinesh D’Souza) ignores normal journalistic or intellectual standards. He creates a style of communication that doesn’t make you think more; it makes you think and notice less. He offers a steady diet of affirmation, focuses on simple topics that require little background information, and gets viewers addicted to daily doses of righteous contempt and delicious vindication.
     

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opinion/anti-trump-opposition.html

    The irony is magnificent. It's actually not that bad of an article for the NYT, but in true Brooksian fashion, he seems to have just now noticed that the anti-Trump movement contains a lot of dummies. Perhaps he's just too good of a journalist to have noticed all the pussy hat people or the legions of self-proclaimed experts on Russian spy operations.

    Anyone can compare Dystopia USA’s Storm series (or that George guy’s exhaustively linked and sourced timeline of the Awan story) to a wind-up doll chanting “Russian hackers” and see what involves knowledge and noticing. Heartiste regularly links peer-reviewed scientific studies: when has Brooks done so?
    Also, I don’t like D’Souza and intend no disrespect to Hannity, but D’Souza was a highly educated White House official, and the producer of the most successful political documentary ever: Hannity is a house painter who built a following on talk radio. Only someone like David Brooks would see them as stylistically similar. David Brooks a year ago did a vanity piece about taking some shiksa peasant girl who washed his feet to an upmarket sandwich shop and chuckled over how deeply impressed she was. Not enough bricks can fall on his enormous head.

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  30. @J.Ross
    Frustrating or telling? And who's "everyone"?

    Your happiness and sense of purpose is proportional to how much of the mainstream media you let into your life. NPR and BBC can’t shut up about the Wolff book. As far as I have listened they have said nothing meaningful or legally consequential. You can join their mantra session if you want to. There’s other people talking about other things, eg the honorable Mr Nunes pursuing evidence of Fusion GPS confecting the whole Russian hackers story in order to commit sedition (Strzok’s “insurance policy”).
    Don’t accept the presupposition that the spawn of Edward Bernays* are “everyone” or that what they choose to focus on is noteworthy.
    (*This include MSM gentiles and excludes non-MSM Jews.)

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  31. @Rosamond Vincy
    Sure, and Molly Ringwald ends up with
    Michael Schoeffling rather than Anthony Michael Hall

    John Hughes didn’t shy away from those realities of the male/female dichotomy. In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn’t get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Some critics claimed Hughes “fixed” this incongruity in Some Kind of Wonderful, where the lead male character gets with his alleged-ugly duckling best friend Mary Stuart Masterson versus the popular chick Lea Thompson, thereby finally giving the “outcast” best friend/sidekick the lead’s love.

    Except the sexes are deliberately reversed, and Mary Stuart Masterson is clearly a very cute outcast chick just dressed not-like-a-prom-queen. Because for men, the social status of the girl he likes doesn’t matter, it’s about her looks, and most men can see through a girl’s non-made-up facade to see she’s got a cute face and decent body (although glamming her up will increase the “wow” factor when looking at her). But for girls, status matters.

    Nerd-gets-the-hot-girl movies are geared towards guys, most of whom by definition are not alpha, and therefore enjoy the story where they finally get the hot girl who is now out of reach. But after so many movies and TV shows promise this to guys and reality doesn’t deliver, we get a lot of confusion and misery among guys, for whom pop culture has lied to them about the nature of women. Enter Game, PUA lifestyles, and the Alt-Right to fill the void.

    Notably, because the nerds don’t get the girls but the alphas do, Sixteen Candles and Pretty in Pink, were/are more popular with teen girls than with boys. And of course Grease, which, in addition to being a musical, is the story of the good girl who tames the bad boy—and the alpha bad boy of the local gang at that. If it were for boys, the nerd would have beaten up John Travolta after showing him to be a pig and Sandy would have swooned for the nerd.

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    In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn’t get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Don't forget The Breakfast Club, where Molly Ringwald ends up with the bad boy (who is also a whiny prick), and the jock ends up with the crazy girl (which seems not only unlikely, but would probably end up being a valuable life lesson for him in the real world). And who does Anthony Michael Hall get? Nobody. Just the satisfaction of doing everyone else's homework for them, like a sucker.

    Ducky at least gets a girl in Pretty In Pink. Just not the one he wanted. It's hard to feel too sorry for him, though, as he seems to be almost deliberately annoying throughout the movie.
    , @Tom-in-VA
    “If it were for boys, the nerd would have beaten up John Travolta after showing him to be a pig and Sandy would have swooned for the nerd.“

    In other words, the George McFly story in Back to the Future.
    , @MarcB.

    And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.
     
    It was also handsome upperclassman vs. freshman at peak awkward stage. Hughes still threw Hall's character an unlikely bone by insinuating he had a had a shot with that pretty senior chick. Hughes over the top films (Weird Science, 16 Candles) hold up much better than the the sentimental, after school special fare (Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink). The Breakfast Club in particular was an embarrassingly earnest attempt to amplify the normal adolescent pangs of middle class kids growing up in the suburbs into something far more serious. Too many adults who saw it on cable suddenly felt the need to become youth counselors.
    , @Stan Adams
    Has anyone here ever seen Black Widow (1987), starring Debra Winger and Theresa Russell? It's not a great movie, but it's a good primer on the psychology of female jealousy. The trailer makes it seem a little cheesier than it actually is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDQjTZvVXWU

    Russell is a sociopath who has a nasty habit of marrying rich men (including Dennis Hopper and Nicol Williamson), murdering them, and running off with their money. Winger is a low-level Justice Department researcher who figures out what Russell is doing, chases her, finds her, befriends her, and doggedly pursues her until ... well, I don't want to give away the ending.

    The movie makes it clear that Winger is jealous of Russell. (At one point, Russell "loans" her boyfriend to Winger, and Winger explicitly says that she "can't compete.") Winger's depressing daily routine - she's a workaholic who comes home to an empty apartment every night - is contrasted with Russell's glamorous lifestyle.

    Winger is driven by a resentful-plain-girl-going-after-the-popular-cheerleader mentality. And, yes, it's easy to see Winger as a (((plain))) girl going after a *blonde* WASP who is prettier and better able to snare high-status men.

    Interestingly, Winger was offered the Russell role, but turned it down because she couldn't understand the character's motivations.
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  32. @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    “If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good”

    It’s an acting award, not a writing award.

    I can see the Golden Globes demuring from rewarding crap movies, even if the acting is stellar. Because it would hurt their reputation. But this is an otherwise highly-regarded movie, up for other awards.

    I remember reading a person once denigrating the performance of Anthony Mackie in the Hurt Locker. Another person defended him, saying something like “Don’t you know how important his character is to the story?” I thought “Who cares?” That’s not the subject at hand.

    People sometimes get their wires crossed, but separating performance from writing shouldn’t be this complicated.

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    An actor can always turn down a role. Choosing to play a poorly written character reflects poorly on the actor.
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  33. Sheeesh, Steve.

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  34. @Tex


    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It’s a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.
     
    What does facing consequences have to do with a character being well-written? It may be satisfying to an audience, or it might not, but it doesn't have anything to do with being well-written. In fact, I'd think it might make a character more believable. Ditto on the guilt. In my experience, consequences tend to be hit or miss, and seldom enacted in a fashion that fits neatly into a two-hour film.

    I also have a notion that recognition of excellence in acting, depends on the quality of the acting.

    Sometimes consequences are necessary for the story to be believable. For instance, the protagonist of the current Star Wars movies is crap because she’s perfect at everything and gets out of too many situations too easily. Much more than other characters, as if she occupies an overlapping parallel universe.

    But only sometimes is this the case. I haven’t seen the movie under discussion, so I couldn’t say. But the idea that the character is poorly written because he doesn’t face consequences is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence.

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    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn't Oscar Isaac the star of this new series? He looks like if Al Pacino had been cast as Han Solo in 1977, and he can act. He's some kind of Latino Middle Easterner for intersectionality points.
    , @Tex
    Dixon, Rockwell's character, suffers tremendously, though more through natural consequences. A large part of the film is that character's redemption as he tries to live up to a higher standard, and the terrible pain he experiences as he does what he feels is right.

    The film is perhaps not "realistic." I surmised it takes place in a world without lawyers, let alone prosecutors. But I assumed that McDonagh was more interested in character than the procedures of small-town bureaucracy.
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  35. That’s a bit strange, I should be replying, in the Bernays comment, to Mr Wooster and instead it looks like I’m babbling to myself.

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  36. @Rosamond Vincy
    Sure, and Molly Ringwald ends up with
    Michael Schoeffling rather than Anthony Michael Hall

    It was nice that Molly Ringwald ended up with Andrew McCarthy instead of Duckie, however.

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    To hell with both of them. Young Spader as Steff.
    , @whorefinder
    Nice and, more importantly, believable. Unfortunately, if teen boys watch the film---again, its a movie more for girls---- the point flies completely above their heads.

    The cause of a lot of blue pilled, true believer men and gamma behavior is their belief, reinforced by movies for teen boys, that nerdy or wimpy or just plain unalpha guys can get the hottest girl simply by being himself, beating the "jerk" alpha, and mouthing leftist platitudes. It's why the red pill causes real pain and anguish for these men, and why many reject it so violently----if you've built a major part of your life and personality on a certain belief, and there's a hint that belief is false, much of your world comes crashing down. Plato's parable of the caves, etc.

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  37. @J.Ross
    OT Daily Caller is saying that Nunes (who, with Grassley, are Congressional big wheels, who are not necessarily fans of Trump, but who are informed and serious about pursuing Democratic Party criminals) now has the paperwork used to start the FISA wiretapping on the Trunp campaign. This is so big the MSM will start just reading FaF excerpts on the air.
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/08/exclusive-house-intel-information-has-received-all-docs-on-trump-dossier-from-doj-and-fb-i/

    The House Intelligence Committee is busy cross-referencing the Trump “dossier” with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the Donation of Constantine, and Comey’s Secret Diary in order to gauge its precise level of B.S.-ness.

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  38. ha, haaa. For the first time: the movie every liberal hates, but can’t declare it an identitarian umbrella, to destroy it with their identitarian weapons, and protests about effing nothing…. and all, it, may be the movie that destroys all our consciousness and all! We will all be free from the weak, and declined phoniness! Hurrah!

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  39. @anon
    OT, but David Brooks has chimed in to tell us what separates fake journalism from the real stuff produced by the likes of David Brooks:

    Fox News pioneered modern lowbrowism. The modern lowbrow (think Sean Hannity or Dinesh D’Souza) ignores normal journalistic or intellectual standards. He creates a style of communication that doesn’t make you think more; it makes you think and notice less. He offers a steady diet of affirmation, focuses on simple topics that require little background information, and gets viewers addicted to daily doses of righteous contempt and delicious vindication.
     

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opinion/anti-trump-opposition.html

    The irony is magnificent. It's actually not that bad of an article for the NYT, but in true Brooksian fashion, he seems to have just now noticed that the anti-Trump movement contains a lot of dummies. Perhaps he's just too good of a journalist to have noticed all the pussy hat people or the legions of self-proclaimed experts on Russian spy operations.

    Journalism was totally highbrow before Fox News, guys.

    Also, sexual intercourse began in 1963.

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  40. @Hunsdon
    Nigeria needs writers.

    Nigeria needs writers rather more than America does; we have them aplenty.

    Second generation African immigrant Americans usually have a bigger racial chip on their shoulders than their parents. Another big reason to halt all African immigration to America.

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  41. @anon
    OT, but David Brooks has chimed in to tell us what separates fake journalism from the real stuff produced by the likes of David Brooks:

    Fox News pioneered modern lowbrowism. The modern lowbrow (think Sean Hannity or Dinesh D’Souza) ignores normal journalistic or intellectual standards. He creates a style of communication that doesn’t make you think more; it makes you think and notice less. He offers a steady diet of affirmation, focuses on simple topics that require little background information, and gets viewers addicted to daily doses of righteous contempt and delicious vindication.
     

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opinion/anti-trump-opposition.html

    The irony is magnificent. It's actually not that bad of an article for the NYT, but in true Brooksian fashion, he seems to have just now noticed that the anti-Trump movement contains a lot of dummies. Perhaps he's just too good of a journalist to have noticed all the pussy hat people or the legions of self-proclaimed experts on Russian spy operations.

    At this point, Brooks, like Fred Reed, has gone completely native.

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  42. Is that obviously gay black man really called Ugwu?

    That reminds me of the role of names in tribalism. Displaying a self-consciously foreign name is a act of aggression. “Hey everybody! I don’t want to be like you! I like that other continent better anyway!” Added to that is the small annoyance you cause everybody who has to figure out how to pronounce it. That’s a microaggression.

    In the past, foreign immigrants changed their name to fit in.

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    I think it would be interesting to trace the history of "traditional" Irish names coming back into popularity versus times of rising revolutionary actions/terrorism in Ireland against English/Protestant rule. There's probably a correlation in there somewhere, and given the history goes back hundreds of years, might be fairly well establishable.

    Might give us all some clue about what's in store for us since I've noticed at least two generations of "Laquishas" and "DeShauns" roaming around causing all sorts of diversity. I don't think its been widespread further back than that, since black Tim Meadows joked about how trashy "black" names sounded in, of all movies, Mean Girls (2004):

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/762515780630009082/


    Anyway, I'm sure the CIA made a study of that years ago.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "That reminds me of the role of names in tribalism. Displaying a self-consciously foreign name is a act of aggression"


    Now black Londoners called Ian demand to be called Kwame.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kwei-Armah
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  43. …a police officer who, among other sins, is deeply racist.

    What greater sin is there? All others pale. And why might that be? — perhaps he has finely tuned ‘noticing’ skills.

    “Es gibt in Berlin keinen Polizisten, der nicht AfD gewählt hat”

    ‘It would be difficult to find a cop in Berlin who did not vote AfD’ (said/speculated Peter Hahne, a German media personality).

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    Somewhere there are some serious theologians sincerely pondering how to point out that we've elevated "racism" to a sin, and that that is actually heretical, and that priests/preachers shouldn't do it, or, you know, they're committing heresy and blasphemy.

    At which point those on The Right Side of History will immediately denounce them as worse that Hitler.
    , @Seth Largo
    Are you a fluent German speaker? I would translate it as "There are no police in Berlin who did not vote AfD."

    If you are a German speaker, please do correct me. I'm always trying to refine my Deutsch.
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  44. Mr. Ugwu should play James Harden in his biopic.

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  45. @anon
    OT, but David Brooks has chimed in to tell us what separates fake journalism from the real stuff produced by the likes of David Brooks:

    Fox News pioneered modern lowbrowism. The modern lowbrow (think Sean Hannity or Dinesh D’Souza) ignores normal journalistic or intellectual standards. He creates a style of communication that doesn’t make you think more; it makes you think and notice less. He offers a steady diet of affirmation, focuses on simple topics that require little background information, and gets viewers addicted to daily doses of righteous contempt and delicious vindication.
     

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opinion/anti-trump-opposition.html

    The irony is magnificent. It's actually not that bad of an article for the NYT, but in true Brooksian fashion, he seems to have just now noticed that the anti-Trump movement contains a lot of dummies. Perhaps he's just too good of a journalist to have noticed all the pussy hat people or the legions of self-proclaimed experts on Russian spy operations.

    Brooks is right in ripping Dinesh. D’Souza is an unethical plagiarist that “punches right” and never gets called on it because he isn’t white.

    Has Dinesh ever called out his co-ethnics for voting BJP in India but Democrat here? Has he ever called one of his co-ethics anti-white?

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    D'Souza is dumb, don't get me wrong. From what I've seen, Hannity usually is too. I'm not defending them at all. It's just funny how a NYT editorial claims that what they do is better, or causes you to actually think and notice more than you otherwise would.
    , @J.Ross
    But that's exactly not why Brooks is ripping D'Souza. Brooks is ripping D'Souza for being in the same category as Hannity, which is plainly untrue except in the sense that Brooks is allowed to have opinions and )))certain others((( are not.
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  46. @Rosamond Vincy
    Sure, and Molly Ringwald ends up with
    Michael Schoeffling rather than Anthony Michael Hall

    Nope. Molly ends up with Long Duk Dong.

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  47. @guest
    Sometimes consequences are necessary for the story to be believable. For instance, the protagonist of the current Star Wars movies is crap because she's perfect at everything and gets out of too many situations too easily. Much more than other characters, as if she occupies an overlapping parallel universe.

    But only sometimes is this the case. I haven't seen the movie under discussion, so I couldn't say. But the idea that the character is poorly written because he doesn't face consequences is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence.

    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series? He looks like if Al Pacino had been cast as Han Solo in 1977, and he can act. He’s some kind of Latino Middle Easterner for intersectionality points.

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    He was great in Agora as well.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1186830/
    , @whorefinder

    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series?
     
    Oscar Isaac is basically the Han Solo character, but as seen through SJW-man-hating feminist eyes. In other words, all of the male recklessness and cocksuredness and great piloting and rebel--with-a-heart-of-gold roguishness must be femsplained to be incompetent, bad, and he personally must in all ways be made secondary to the the females. Han was basically the sexy guy in high school/college that the purple-hair brigade never got to date---he was too busy with the hot chicks who didn't give him headaches----so they're destroying him by proxy (in addition to killing off the actual Han in the last film).

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they're thinking of making Isaac's character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film---for "diversity", of course. I don't know how that would work since apparently in The Last Jedi they made the black guy hookup with a female character, but I'm thinking it'll be about sexual fluidity and how "love has no bounds" and on-the-down-low realities about black men.

    If so by trashing Isaac's character so much they've basically degraded a gay man, which would set up a diversity p.r. battle: gay men versus feminists.

    Also, Steve, I heard The Last Jedi was severely unperforming in China. Could you comment? I think hooking up the black guy with an Asian female would have something to do with it, even if the actress is Vietnamese and not Chinese. Of course, it could just be that it's a crappy movie/preach fest with no rationale behind anyone's actions, but hey, lots of things contribute.

    It appears Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible. A very, very strange maneuver from a bottom line standpoint.
    , @PiltdownMan

    Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series? He looks like if Al Pacino had been cast as Han Solo in 1977, and he can act. He’s some kind of Latino Middle Easterner for intersectionality points.
     
    The points count for nothing. He's a man. And too much of one.
    , @Desiderius
    Because he has a dick and no man is sucking it.

    Next question.
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  48. It begins! BBC reports on Romania being successfully diversified.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42439405

    I know a Romanian whose body was not ready to sit next to Big Black Guy in the office to the point of freaking a bit out, so this may be a Big Thing.

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    Thanks for the story.

    Here's the correct link.
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  49. @Michelle
    Actors don't get any better than Sam Rockwell. Moon. Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. The man is su effing perb. Any acknowledgment of his artistry is welcome to my mind.

    Sam Rockwell is better than Woody Harrelson and Frances McDormand in this “Ebbing” movie and I like them a lot.

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    Sam Rockwell was the only redeeming quality about that Charlie's Angels debacle. I did not see the twist coming when he turned out to be the bad guy, and his personality shift from goofy oddball charming type to sexy, suave, genius bad guy (proto-Tony Stark, but not quite as babbling) showed off a range that that film just did not deserve.
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  50. @Steve Sailer
    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn't Oscar Isaac the star of this new series? He looks like if Al Pacino had been cast as Han Solo in 1977, and he can act. He's some kind of Latino Middle Easterner for intersectionality points.

    He was great in Agora as well.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1186830/

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  51. @guest
    "If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good"

    It's an acting award, not a writing award.

    I can see the Golden Globes demuring from rewarding crap movies, even if the acting is stellar. Because it would hurt their reputation. But this is an otherwise highly-regarded movie, up for other awards.

    I remember reading a person once denigrating the performance of Anthony Mackie in the Hurt Locker. Another person defended him, saying something like "Don't you know how important his character is to the story?" I thought "Who cares?" That's not the subject at hand.

    People sometimes get their wires crossed, but separating performance from writing shouldn't be this complicated.

    An actor can always turn down a role. Choosing to play a poorly written character reflects poorly on the actor.

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    You think that an actor's work is to simply read the writing?
    , @guest
    That's irrelevant. But now that you mention it, an actor's job isn't necessarily to pick the best-written roles. What if he thinks it's an overall well-written story? What if he thinks the movie will be a hit, and wants to be seen in it? What if he really wants to work with the people involved? What if he thinks, "Hey, that's not the best character on paper, but I can really do something with it."
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  52. @kihowi
    Is that obviously gay black man really called Ugwu?

    That reminds me of the role of names in tribalism. Displaying a self-consciously foreign name is a act of aggression. "Hey everybody! I don't want to be like you! I like that other continent better anyway!" Added to that is the small annoyance you cause everybody who has to figure out how to pronounce it. That's a microaggression.

    In the past, foreign immigrants changed their name to fit in.

    I think it would be interesting to trace the history of “traditional” Irish names coming back into popularity versus times of rising revolutionary actions/terrorism in Ireland against English/Protestant rule. There’s probably a correlation in there somewhere, and given the history goes back hundreds of years, might be fairly well establishable.

    Might give us all some clue about what’s in store for us since I’ve noticed at least two generations of “Laquishas” and “DeShauns” roaming around causing all sorts of diversity. I don’t think its been widespread further back than that, since black Tim Meadows joked about how trashy “black” names sounded in, of all movies, Mean Girls (2004):

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/762515780630009082/

    Anyway, I’m sure the CIA made a study of that years ago.

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    The Irish rebels of 1916 mostly were baptized with given names like John Francis or James Joseph, although some had adopted Gaelic Christian names by the time they rebelled (which was, for almost all of the leaders anyway, soon followed by execution by the British.) Eamon de Valera was an exception; there may have been others. (He was also an exception to the part about being executed.)
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  53. @Rosamond Vincy
    The Hayes code is over. Having evil characters face no consequences (at least in this world) is not poor writing: it's reality. Remember "Chinatown"? Or how about "The Great Gatsby," in which New Money and No Money people pay a heavy price for their sins but Old Money people do not?

    The Hayes code is over. Having evil characters face no consequences (at least in this world) is not poor writing: it’s reality. Remember “Chinatown”? Or how about “The Great Gatsby,” in which New Money and No Money people pay a heavy price for their sins but Old Money people do not?

    The Hayes code may be over, but so are the 1970s and the American New Wave in cinema (aka New Hollywood).

    Many of the great movies from young, new directors in that period, from the late ’60s to the mid-70s, would likely be excorciated for all kinds of spurious reasons today, from misogyny to an excess of whiteness. Midnight Cowboy, Easy Rider, Klute, Last Tango in Paris, Dirty Harry, The French Connection, Five Easy Pieces, Carnal Knowledge…I can see that today’s bluestockings would find rich pickings, so many things wrong in so many ways, in those movies from almost five decades ago.

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    A local public radio host spoke about wanting to have his teenage son watch Altman's "M*A*S*H" with him, because he remembered how hip, iconoclastic, and transgresssive he thought it was when he first saw it . However, watching it anew with his son, he was appalled by the blatant racism, misogyny, sexism, cis-genderism, transphobia, etc, and couldn't believe he once enjoyed it.

    So it goes...
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  54. @Steve Sailer
    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn't Oscar Isaac the star of this new series? He looks like if Al Pacino had been cast as Han Solo in 1977, and he can act. He's some kind of Latino Middle Easterner for intersectionality points.

    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series?

    Oscar Isaac is basically the Han Solo character, but as seen through SJW-man-hating feminist eyes. In other words, all of the male recklessness and cocksuredness and great piloting and rebel–with-a-heart-of-gold roguishness must be femsplained to be incompetent, bad, and he personally must in all ways be made secondary to the the females. Han was basically the sexy guy in high school/college that the purple-hair brigade never got to date—he was too busy with the hot chicks who didn’t give him headaches—-so they’re destroying him by proxy (in addition to killing off the actual Han in the last film).

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they’re thinking of making Isaac’s character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film—for “diversity”, of course. I don’t know how that would work since apparently in The Last Jedi they made the black guy hookup with a female character, but I’m thinking it’ll be about sexual fluidity and how “love has no bounds” and on-the-down-low realities about black men.

    If so by trashing Isaac’s character so much they’ve basically degraded a gay man, which would set up a diversity p.r. battle: gay men versus feminists.

    Also, Steve, I heard The Last Jedi was severely unperforming in China. Could you comment? I think hooking up the black guy with an Asian female would have something to do with it, even if the actress is Vietnamese and not Chinese. Of course, it could just be that it’s a crappy movie/preach fest with no rationale behind anyone’s actions, but hey, lots of things contribute.

    It appears Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible. A very, very strange maneuver from a bottom line standpoint.

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    The Chinese were all working on post-Cultural Revolution pig farms with no electricity when Star Wars came out in 1977, so they don't get what's the big deal about this franchise. You kind of had to be there in the movie theater in 1977 or 1980, and the Chinese weren't.
    , @Lurker

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they’re thinking of making Isaac’s character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film
     
    No, won't happen. They will not allow a black man to be portrayed as gay in such a major franchise. Black masculinity is sacrosanct. They have shown him to be a bit inept and women boss him around but it won't go any further than that.

    Oscar Isaac may end up gaying off at some point but then his character does exhibit signs of toxic white masculinity, which is intolerable.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible.

    They're doing the same with Marvel Comics. Hey, “Doin' right ain't got no end,” as that great American Forrest Carter wrote in "The Outlaw Josey Wales."
    , @guest
    "gay men versus feminists"

    Victory: feminists. That's easy.

    Unless the gay man happens to be black, or at least more Other-y than Oscar Isaac. Who is capable of playing many races, including white. His breakout role as Llewyn Davis I always interpreted as white, at least. Given the fact that he identifies his unusual first name as Welsh, and his surname sounds Welsh, too.

    Gay men have precipitously fallen in Pokemon status since the victory of gay marriage, you may have noticed. Individuals are still influential and in positions of power, but the movement has lost its juice. The Culture War has less use for them.

    Eventually, I predict they'll become just more males. Especially if they're white or white-adjacent.

    , @Whiskey
    Never about profits. Always about sjw messages.
    , @Clyde

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they’re thinking of making Isaac’s character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film—for “diversity”, of course.
     
    Not going to happen due to the Chinese/Asian movie markets not being brainwashed enough into sexual diversity. Asians will stay away from the theaters in droves. We know these stupid Star Wars remakes are dependent on foreign revenues.
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  55. @Steve Sailer
    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn't Oscar Isaac the star of this new series? He looks like if Al Pacino had been cast as Han Solo in 1977, and he can act. He's some kind of Latino Middle Easterner for intersectionality points.

    Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series? He looks like if Al Pacino had been cast as Han Solo in 1977, and he can act. He’s some kind of Latino Middle Easterner for intersectionality points.

    The points count for nothing. He’s a man. And too much of one.

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  56. @Alden
    Why?

    An actor can always turn down any role. Arguably, taking a bad role reflects poorly on an actor. I do concede that other factors can complicate this rule. I suppose there are some actors who can’t afford to turn down any roles. I don’t know if this was the case here.

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    This is the worst taek I've ever seen on this websight,,,
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  57. @Steve Sailer
    Sam Rockwell is better than Woody Harrelson and Frances McDormand in this "Ebbing" movie and I like them a lot.

    Sam Rockwell was the only redeeming quality about that Charlie’s Angels debacle. I did not see the twist coming when he turned out to be the bad guy, and his personality shift from goofy oddball charming type to sexy, suave, genius bad guy (proto-Tony Stark, but not quite as babbling) showed off a range that that film just did not deserve.

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  58. Sailer, publish my comment from last night that I spent like ten minutes on.

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  59. @anon
    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed.

    I haven't seen the movie, but lots of people in real life don't face any consequences, or even guilt, for the things they do. That doesn't seem like it would necessarily mean the character is poorly written.

    Crimes and Misdemeanors is half about a man who murders his mistress and neither faces any consequences nor feels any guilt. It has been consistently lauded as one of the best films of its decade and many argue it is Woody Allen’s masterpiece.

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  60. @whorefinder

    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series?
     
    Oscar Isaac is basically the Han Solo character, but as seen through SJW-man-hating feminist eyes. In other words, all of the male recklessness and cocksuredness and great piloting and rebel--with-a-heart-of-gold roguishness must be femsplained to be incompetent, bad, and he personally must in all ways be made secondary to the the females. Han was basically the sexy guy in high school/college that the purple-hair brigade never got to date---he was too busy with the hot chicks who didn't give him headaches----so they're destroying him by proxy (in addition to killing off the actual Han in the last film).

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they're thinking of making Isaac's character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film---for "diversity", of course. I don't know how that would work since apparently in The Last Jedi they made the black guy hookup with a female character, but I'm thinking it'll be about sexual fluidity and how "love has no bounds" and on-the-down-low realities about black men.

    If so by trashing Isaac's character so much they've basically degraded a gay man, which would set up a diversity p.r. battle: gay men versus feminists.

    Also, Steve, I heard The Last Jedi was severely unperforming in China. Could you comment? I think hooking up the black guy with an Asian female would have something to do with it, even if the actress is Vietnamese and not Chinese. Of course, it could just be that it's a crappy movie/preach fest with no rationale behind anyone's actions, but hey, lots of things contribute.

    It appears Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible. A very, very strange maneuver from a bottom line standpoint.

    The Chinese were all working on post-Cultural Revolution pig farms with no electricity when Star Wars came out in 1977, so they don’t get what’s the big deal about this franchise. You kind of had to be there in the movie theater in 1977 or 1980, and the Chinese weren’t.

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    Sorry, that doesn't seem to make sense. The Chinese like a lot of American blockbusters that are big because the source material was big in America's past.

    The Marvel movies being a prime example---all that stuff's heyday from the 60s-80s. Or The Transformers series (an 80's cartoon). Cultural differences are more prevalent in comedies crossing borders. But big-budget explosion-sword fighting films need little cultural translation.
    , @Clyde

    The Chinese were all working on post-Cultural Revolution pig farms with no electricity when Star Wars came out in 1977, so they don’t get what’s the big deal about this franchise.
     
    Not completely true. When the Red Guard fanatics hauled your azz out of your bougie university setting you were given a choice. Exile to a stinky pig farm for two years or exiled to hoeing cabbages for three. You had no chance of any sex (with a woman) on the pig farm because your hands smelled like pig shyte no matter how much soap (wasn't any anyways) you used.
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  61. @eah
    ...a police officer who, among other sins, is deeply racist.

    What greater sin is there? All others pale. And why might that be? -- perhaps he has finely tuned 'noticing' skills.

    "Es gibt in Berlin keinen Polizisten, der nicht AfD gewählt hat"

    'It would be difficult to find a cop in Berlin who did not vote AfD' (said/speculated Peter Hahne, a German media personality).

    Somewhere there are some serious theologians sincerely pondering how to point out that we’ve elevated “racism” to a sin, and that that is actually heretical, and that priests/preachers shouldn’t do it, or, you know, they’re committing heresy and blasphemy.

    At which point those on The Right Side of History will immediately denounce them as worse that Hitler.

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  62. @Steve Sailer
    The Chinese were all working on post-Cultural Revolution pig farms with no electricity when Star Wars came out in 1977, so they don't get what's the big deal about this franchise. You kind of had to be there in the movie theater in 1977 or 1980, and the Chinese weren't.

    Sorry, that doesn’t seem to make sense. The Chinese like a lot of American blockbusters that are big because the source material was big in America’s past.

    The Marvel movies being a prime example—all that stuff’s heyday from the 60s-80s. Or The Transformers series (an 80′s cartoon). Cultural differences are more prevalent in comedies crossing borders. But big-budget explosion-sword fighting films need little cultural translation.

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    It's not the source material, it's the original movie, which dates to 1977. (Star Wars' source material is 30 or 40 years older.) The Marvel and Transformer movies all originated in the era when China had movie theaters.

    The rest of the world is asking the Chinese to imagine how awesome Star Wars must have seemed in 1977, but that's asking too much of their knowledge of American pop culture.

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    It's weird that he seems to be saying that people actually should have a resistance to unspeakable truths. I'd be interested in hearing his whole statement.
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  64. It’s amazing how far Sam Rockwell’s career has come since playing Guy Fleegman in Galaxy Quest.

    Apparently Sam Rockwell was born with that name, which is interesting because it sounds made up, sort of like a Flintstones character.

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    Galaxy Quest was the only hilarious movie I ever saw. Plus I have never seen an episode of Star Trek. Only a minute here and there and its memes. Such as "He's dead Jim"
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  66. @whorefinder
    Sorry, that doesn't seem to make sense. The Chinese like a lot of American blockbusters that are big because the source material was big in America's past.

    The Marvel movies being a prime example---all that stuff's heyday from the 60s-80s. Or The Transformers series (an 80's cartoon). Cultural differences are more prevalent in comedies crossing borders. But big-budget explosion-sword fighting films need little cultural translation.

    It’s not the source material, it’s the original movie, which dates to 1977. (Star Wars’ source material is 30 or 40 years older.) The Marvel and Transformer movies all originated in the era when China had movie theaters.

    The rest of the world is asking the Chinese to imagine how awesome Star Wars must have seemed in 1977, but that’s asking too much of their knowledge of American pop culture.

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  67. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @whorefinder
    John Hughes didn't shy away from those realities of the male/female dichotomy. In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn't get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Some critics claimed Hughes "fixed" this incongruity in Some Kind of Wonderful, where the lead male character gets with his alleged-ugly duckling best friend Mary Stuart Masterson versus the popular chick Lea Thompson, thereby finally giving the "outcast" best friend/sidekick the lead's love.

    Except the sexes are deliberately reversed, and Mary Stuart Masterson is clearly a very cute outcast chick just dressed not-like-a-prom-queen. Because for men, the social status of the girl he likes doesn't matter, it's about her looks, and most men can see through a girl's non-made-up facade to see she's got a cute face and decent body (although glamming her up will increase the "wow" factor when looking at her). But for girls, status matters.

    Nerd-gets-the-hot-girl movies are geared towards guys, most of whom by definition are not alpha, and therefore enjoy the story where they finally get the hot girl who is now out of reach. But after so many movies and TV shows promise this to guys and reality doesn't deliver, we get a lot of confusion and misery among guys, for whom pop culture has lied to them about the nature of women. Enter Game, PUA lifestyles, and the Alt-Right to fill the void.

    Notably, because the nerds don't get the girls but the alphas do, Sixteen Candles and Pretty in Pink, were/are more popular with teen girls than with boys. And of course Grease, which, in addition to being a musical, is the story of the good girl who tames the bad boy---and the alpha bad boy of the local gang at that. If it were for boys, the nerd would have beaten up John Travolta after showing him to be a pig and Sandy would have swooned for the nerd.

    In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn’t get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Don’t forget The Breakfast Club, where Molly Ringwald ends up with the bad boy (who is also a whiny prick), and the jock ends up with the crazy girl (which seems not only unlikely, but would probably end up being a valuable life lesson for him in the real world). And who does Anthony Michael Hall get? Nobody. Just the satisfaction of doing everyone else’s homework for them, like a sucker.

    Ducky at least gets a girl in Pretty In Pink. Just not the one he wanted. It’s hard to feel too sorry for him, though, as he seems to be almost deliberately annoying throughout the movie.

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    Duckie has been scientifically proven to be the most annoying character in film history.
    , @MarcB.

    It’s hard to feel too sorry for him, though, as he seems to be almost deliberately annoying throughout the movie.
     
    He came off as gay. His feelings for Ringwald's character lacked the requisite teenage lust you'd expect, even from a beta orbiter.
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  68. @njguy73
    At least the MTV Movie/TV Awards are honest enough to have "Best Villain" as an award.

    We are nearing the end of this American experiment in democracy and multiculturalism…..

    I fear military rule comes next once these random identity groups start demanding ransoms of huge portions of GDP….

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  69. @Maj. Kong
    Brooks is right in ripping Dinesh. D'Souza is an unethical plagiarist that "punches right" and never gets called on it because he isn't white.

    Has Dinesh ever called out his co-ethnics for voting BJP in India but Democrat here? Has he ever called one of his co-ethics anti-white?

    D’Souza is dumb, don’t get me wrong. From what I’ve seen, Hannity usually is too. I’m not defending them at all. It’s just funny how a NYT editorial claims that what they do is better, or causes you to actually think and notice more than you otherwise would.

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  70. @ScarletNumber
    It's amazing how far Sam Rockwell's career has come since playing Guy Fleegman in Galaxy Quest.

    Apparently Sam Rockwell was born with that name, which is interesting because it sounds made up, sort of like a Flintstones character.

    Galaxy Quest was the only hilarious movie I ever saw. Plus I have never seen an episode of Star Trek. Only a minute here and there and its memes. Such as “He’s dead Jim”

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  71. @Steve Sailer
    The Chinese were all working on post-Cultural Revolution pig farms with no electricity when Star Wars came out in 1977, so they don't get what's the big deal about this franchise. You kind of had to be there in the movie theater in 1977 or 1980, and the Chinese weren't.

    The Chinese were all working on post-Cultural Revolution pig farms with no electricity when Star Wars came out in 1977, so they don’t get what’s the big deal about this franchise.

    Not completely true. When the Red Guard fanatics hauled your azz out of your bougie university setting you were given a choice. Exile to a stinky pig farm for two years or exiled to hoeing cabbages for three. You had no chance of any sex (with a woman) on the pig farm because your hands smelled like pig shyte no matter how much soap (wasn’t any anyways) you used.

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  72. @whorefinder
    John Hughes didn't shy away from those realities of the male/female dichotomy. In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn't get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Some critics claimed Hughes "fixed" this incongruity in Some Kind of Wonderful, where the lead male character gets with his alleged-ugly duckling best friend Mary Stuart Masterson versus the popular chick Lea Thompson, thereby finally giving the "outcast" best friend/sidekick the lead's love.

    Except the sexes are deliberately reversed, and Mary Stuart Masterson is clearly a very cute outcast chick just dressed not-like-a-prom-queen. Because for men, the social status of the girl he likes doesn't matter, it's about her looks, and most men can see through a girl's non-made-up facade to see she's got a cute face and decent body (although glamming her up will increase the "wow" factor when looking at her). But for girls, status matters.

    Nerd-gets-the-hot-girl movies are geared towards guys, most of whom by definition are not alpha, and therefore enjoy the story where they finally get the hot girl who is now out of reach. But after so many movies and TV shows promise this to guys and reality doesn't deliver, we get a lot of confusion and misery among guys, for whom pop culture has lied to them about the nature of women. Enter Game, PUA lifestyles, and the Alt-Right to fill the void.

    Notably, because the nerds don't get the girls but the alphas do, Sixteen Candles and Pretty in Pink, were/are more popular with teen girls than with boys. And of course Grease, which, in addition to being a musical, is the story of the good girl who tames the bad boy---and the alpha bad boy of the local gang at that. If it were for boys, the nerd would have beaten up John Travolta after showing him to be a pig and Sandy would have swooned for the nerd.

    “If it were for boys, the nerd would have beaten up John Travolta after showing him to be a pig and Sandy would have swooned for the nerd.“

    In other words, the George McFly story in Back to the Future.

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    I don't recall the part where Sandy was dating a time-traveler who happened to be her own son. (/troll).

    But I do recall Olivia Newton-John as Sandy. Sigh.

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  73. @eah

    It’s weird that he seems to be saying that people actually should have a resistance to unspeakable truths. I’d be interested in hearing his whole statement.

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  74. @anon
    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed.

    I haven't seen the movie, but lots of people in real life don't face any consequences, or even guilt, for the things they do. That doesn't seem like it would necessarily mean the character is poorly written.

    Film is primarily a narrative medium, though, and the narrative story is all about action and consequence, conflict and resolution. For a writer to introduce a conflict without resolving it, as in Chinatown, enters Uncanny Valley in a way that can still be engrossing notwithstanding the “creepy” feel it naturally imparts to its viewers. For a writer to introduce conflicts and not even follow up feels like a cop-out. Mostly it’s sloppy writing.

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  75. @AndrewR
    An actor can always turn down a role. Choosing to play a poorly written character reflects poorly on the actor.

    You think that an actor’s work is to simply read the writing?

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    He thinks actors are all cash-engorged and can turn down roles at will.
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  76. If hollywood stops using racist whites as the villains in films who will they use as the bad guys ?

    it would please me if Hollywood stopped making dozens of films each year , with unsympathetic, evil, racist white guys….start making films with unsympathetic Black racists or Mexican racists of Chinese racists…This may actually make the SJWs heads explode…

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    it would please me if Hollywood stopped making dozens of films each year , with unsympathetic, evil, racist white guys….start making films with unsympathetic Black racists or Mexican racists of Chinese racists…This may actually make the SJWs heads explode…
     
    Vanishing chance of this now that the #metoo pod people gals are swarming into the Hollywood hive brain. Such that it is. More jobs and influence for the gals and less for the hetero- normative white guys. Same as the rest of the workforce has been drifting since the Ronald Reagan administration. Down with the jobs where men actually make things aka produce. Up with the make work jobs that cater to women's self worth. Down with the real economy. Up with the frivolous economy aka the masturbation economy.
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  77. @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed.

    “Poorly written”? American law enforcement at all levels is suffused with Goon Brain cops who act and think exactly like Sam Rockwell’s character. And OBTW, they almost always get away with their beat downs and other violations of constitutional rights and civil liberties. The Goons merely retreat back to the squad room and safely yuk it up over donuts.

    Writing Rockwell’s character any other way would have made it poorly written.

    P.S. fortuitous cell phone video capture is our only defense.

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    P.S. fortuitous cell phone video capture is our only defense.

    That and quoting maritime law and the Articles of Confederation, as well as asking repeatedly if you're being detained.
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  78. @AndrewR
    An actor can always turn down any role. Arguably, taking a bad role reflects poorly on an actor. I do concede that other factors can complicate this rule. I suppose there are some actors who can't afford to turn down any roles. I don't know if this was the case here.

    This is the worst taek I’ve ever seen on this websight,,,

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  79. Not just good/bad journalism. Brooks also finds it necessary to point out how we need to get back to the all-knowing managerial state and tell the lowbrow hoi polloi to shut up.

    Brooks is a caricature of effete intellectualism masquerading as wisdom.

    He longs for a time when “honest” men like William Buckley ruled the roost. Seriously?

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  80. @Travis
    If hollywood stops using racist whites as the villains in films who will they use as the bad guys ?

    it would please me if Hollywood stopped making dozens of films each year , with unsympathetic, evil, racist white guys....start making films with unsympathetic Black racists or Mexican racists of Chinese racists...This may actually make the SJWs heads explode...

    it would please me if Hollywood stopped making dozens of films each year , with unsympathetic, evil, racist white guys….start making films with unsympathetic Black racists or Mexican racists of Chinese racists…This may actually make the SJWs heads explode…

    Vanishing chance of this now that the #metoo pod people gals are swarming into the Hollywood hive brain. Such that it is. More jobs and influence for the gals and less for the hetero- normative white guys. Same as the rest of the workforce has been drifting since the Ronald Reagan administration. Down with the jobs where men actually make things aka produce. Up with the make work jobs that cater to women’s self worth. Down with the real economy. Up with the frivolous economy aka the masturbation economy.

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  81. Ugh, “body language.” Better to use the word ‘deportment’

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  82. @guest
    Sometimes consequences are necessary for the story to be believable. For instance, the protagonist of the current Star Wars movies is crap because she's perfect at everything and gets out of too many situations too easily. Much more than other characters, as if she occupies an overlapping parallel universe.

    But only sometimes is this the case. I haven't seen the movie under discussion, so I couldn't say. But the idea that the character is poorly written because he doesn't face consequences is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence.

    Dixon, Rockwell’s character, suffers tremendously, though more through natural consequences. A large part of the film is that character’s redemption as he tries to live up to a higher standard, and the terrible pain he experiences as he does what he feels is right.

    The film is perhaps not “realistic.” I surmised it takes place in a world without lawyers, let alone prosecutors. But I assumed that McDonagh was more interested in character than the procedures of small-town bureaucracy.

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  83. OT: What are the odds that a left-handed Samoan freshman quarterback would win the national championship? https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-vs-georgia-freshman-qb-tua-tagovailoa-replaces-jalen-hurts-at-halftime/

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    Who was the first Samoan college quarterback?

    Jack Thompson, the Throwin' Samoan, at Washington State in 1976?

    Then there was Samoa Samoa at WSU in 1980. I figured his name made up for Thompson's name in ethnic obviousness.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    midtown, What coach, other than Nick Saban, would bench his star QB (25-2) for a true freshman with no starts? Saban is so focused and intense that I am willing to bet the first thing he said to his staff after the win was..."Find me a reliable field goal kicker."
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  84. @Michelle
    Actors don't get any better than Sam Rockwell. Moon. Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. The man is su effing perb. Any acknowledgment of his artistry is welcome to my mind.

    Michelle, or in “Mr. Right”, which is more of a lowbrow guy movie, but he is good.

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  85. @midtown
    OT: What are the odds that a left-handed Samoan freshman quarterback would win the national championship? https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-vs-georgia-freshman-qb-tua-tagovailoa-replaces-jalen-hurts-at-halftime/

    Who was the first Samoan college quarterback?

    Jack Thompson, the Throwin’ Samoan, at Washington State in 1976?

    Then there was Samoa Samoa at WSU in 1980. I figured his name made up for Thompson’s name in ethnic obviousness.

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    The most famous one was Sal Aunese of Colorado. He knocked up the coach's daughter before dying of cancer at 21.
    , @Sports Fan
    Sal Aunese during the late 80s glory years of Colorado football. He impregnated the coach's daughter, led CU to being a ranked team, then tragically died of aggressive cancer. He served as the inspiration for the 1990 team that split the mythical national championship with Georgia Tech.
    , @midtown
    No ((( ))) needed on that one, eh?
    , @Ivy
    Washington football teams collected some fun names back in the day. Sonny Sixkiller at UW was a few years older than the WSU guys, and had a film appearance in The Longest Yard. Dunno if he ever had a pick six.
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  86. @SteveM

    People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed.
     
    "Poorly written"? American law enforcement at all levels is suffused with Goon Brain cops who act and think exactly like Sam Rockwell's character. And OBTW, they almost always get away with their beat downs and other violations of constitutional rights and civil liberties. The Goons merely retreat back to the squad room and safely yuk it up over donuts.

    Writing Rockwell's character any other way would have made it poorly written.

    P.S. fortuitous cell phone video capture is our only defense.

    P.S. fortuitous cell phone video capture is our only defense.

    That and quoting maritime law and the Articles of Confederation, as well as asking repeatedly if you’re being detained.

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  87. @whorefinder

    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series?
     
    Oscar Isaac is basically the Han Solo character, but as seen through SJW-man-hating feminist eyes. In other words, all of the male recklessness and cocksuredness and great piloting and rebel--with-a-heart-of-gold roguishness must be femsplained to be incompetent, bad, and he personally must in all ways be made secondary to the the females. Han was basically the sexy guy in high school/college that the purple-hair brigade never got to date---he was too busy with the hot chicks who didn't give him headaches----so they're destroying him by proxy (in addition to killing off the actual Han in the last film).

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they're thinking of making Isaac's character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film---for "diversity", of course. I don't know how that would work since apparently in The Last Jedi they made the black guy hookup with a female character, but I'm thinking it'll be about sexual fluidity and how "love has no bounds" and on-the-down-low realities about black men.

    If so by trashing Isaac's character so much they've basically degraded a gay man, which would set up a diversity p.r. battle: gay men versus feminists.

    Also, Steve, I heard The Last Jedi was severely unperforming in China. Could you comment? I think hooking up the black guy with an Asian female would have something to do with it, even if the actress is Vietnamese and not Chinese. Of course, it could just be that it's a crappy movie/preach fest with no rationale behind anyone's actions, but hey, lots of things contribute.

    It appears Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible. A very, very strange maneuver from a bottom line standpoint.

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they’re thinking of making Isaac’s character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film

    No, won’t happen. They will not allow a black man to be portrayed as gay in such a major franchise. Black masculinity is sacrosanct. They have shown him to be a bit inept and women boss him around but it won’t go any further than that.

    Oscar Isaac may end up gaying off at some point but then his character does exhibit signs of toxic white masculinity, which is intolerable.

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    The gay black guy on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is pretty funny.
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  88. @Steve Sailer
    Who was the first Samoan college quarterback?

    Jack Thompson, the Throwin' Samoan, at Washington State in 1976?

    Then there was Samoa Samoa at WSU in 1980. I figured his name made up for Thompson's name in ethnic obviousness.

    The most famous one was Sal Aunese of Colorado. He knocked up the coach’s daughter before dying of cancer at 21.

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  89. @Steve Sailer
    Who was the first Samoan college quarterback?

    Jack Thompson, the Throwin' Samoan, at Washington State in 1976?

    Then there was Samoa Samoa at WSU in 1980. I figured his name made up for Thompson's name in ethnic obviousness.

    Sal Aunese during the late 80s glory years of Colorado football. He impregnated the coach’s daughter, led CU to being a ranked team, then tragically died of aggressive cancer. He served as the inspiration for the 1990 team that split the mythical national championship with Georgia Tech.

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  90. @anon
    In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn’t get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Don't forget The Breakfast Club, where Molly Ringwald ends up with the bad boy (who is also a whiny prick), and the jock ends up with the crazy girl (which seems not only unlikely, but would probably end up being a valuable life lesson for him in the real world). And who does Anthony Michael Hall get? Nobody. Just the satisfaction of doing everyone else's homework for them, like a sucker.

    Ducky at least gets a girl in Pretty In Pink. Just not the one he wanted. It's hard to feel too sorry for him, though, as he seems to be almost deliberately annoying throughout the movie.

    Duckie has been scientifically proven to be the most annoying character in film history.

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  91. @Lurker

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they’re thinking of making Isaac’s character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film
     
    No, won't happen. They will not allow a black man to be portrayed as gay in such a major franchise. Black masculinity is sacrosanct. They have shown him to be a bit inept and women boss him around but it won't go any further than that.

    Oscar Isaac may end up gaying off at some point but then his character does exhibit signs of toxic white masculinity, which is intolerable.

    The gay black guy on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is pretty funny.

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    The gay black guy on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is pretty funny.
     
    When black guys come out as gay, they come out as so extremely gay that it's almost like a new class of homosexual. Perhaps its over compensation for having to butch it up so much amongst blacks growing up, perhaps its blacks natural tendency to act up in public, perhaps its something else, but if a black guy's out of the closet, you can tell him a mile away, if only from his loud effeminate gay voice screeching and screaming to top volume.
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  92. @eah
    ...a police officer who, among other sins, is deeply racist.

    What greater sin is there? All others pale. And why might that be? -- perhaps he has finely tuned 'noticing' skills.

    "Es gibt in Berlin keinen Polizisten, der nicht AfD gewählt hat"

    'It would be difficult to find a cop in Berlin who did not vote AfD' (said/speculated Peter Hahne, a German media personality).

    Are you a fluent German speaker? I would translate it as “There are no police in Berlin who did not vote AfD.”

    If you are a German speaker, please do correct me. I’m always trying to refine my Deutsch.

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    Are you a fluent German speaker?

    Ja.

    “There are no police in Berlin who did not vote AfD.”

    Literally, yes, that's what he said -- but I found such an absolute claim rather unlikely -- etwas übertrieben -- so I softened it to something more reasonable/glaubwürdig.
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  93. @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    “The Wire” is one of the best-written and most realistic things I’ve ever seen. Not only better than almost any television series, but better than almost any movie. And you know what? At the end of it, a fair number of the bad guys got away without consequences. That’s part of what made the show feel real.

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    Agree that "The Wire" was a great achievement in, say, sociological realism. Just, in my opinion, HLOTS was much better (or different), one of the few triumphs of American TV. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2010/mar/27/homicide-life-street-david-simon
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Lance Riddick was great in The Wire. He is also good in the Amazon series Bosch, which I have been bingeing on lately, thanks to an iSteve recommendation.
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  94. @Steve Sailer
    Who was the first Samoan college quarterback?

    Jack Thompson, the Throwin' Samoan, at Washington State in 1976?

    Then there was Samoa Samoa at WSU in 1980. I figured his name made up for Thompson's name in ethnic obviousness.

    No ((( ))) needed on that one, eh?

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  95. @PiltdownMan

    The Hayes code is over. Having evil characters face no consequences (at least in this world) is not poor writing: it’s reality. Remember “Chinatown”? Or how about “The Great Gatsby,” in which New Money and No Money people pay a heavy price for their sins but Old Money people do not?
     
    The Hayes code may be over, but so are the 1970s and the American New Wave in cinema (aka New Hollywood).

    Many of the great movies from young, new directors in that period, from the late '60s to the mid-70s, would likely be excorciated for all kinds of spurious reasons today, from misogyny to an excess of whiteness. Midnight Cowboy, Easy Rider, Klute, Last Tango in Paris, Dirty Harry, The French Connection, Five Easy Pieces, Carnal Knowledge...I can see that today's bluestockings would find rich pickings, so many things wrong in so many ways, in those movies from almost five decades ago.

    A local public radio host spoke about wanting to have his teenage son watch Altman’s “M*A*S*H” with him, because he remembered how hip, iconoclastic, and transgresssive he thought it was when he first saw it . However, watching it anew with his son, he was appalled by the blatant racism, misogyny, sexism, cis-genderism, transphobia, etc, and couldn’t believe he once enjoyed it.

    So it goes…

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    I don't remember any transgenderism in the movie. It was the TV show that had the cross dresser.
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  96. @whorefinder

    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series?
     
    Oscar Isaac is basically the Han Solo character, but as seen through SJW-man-hating feminist eyes. In other words, all of the male recklessness and cocksuredness and great piloting and rebel--with-a-heart-of-gold roguishness must be femsplained to be incompetent, bad, and he personally must in all ways be made secondary to the the females. Han was basically the sexy guy in high school/college that the purple-hair brigade never got to date---he was too busy with the hot chicks who didn't give him headaches----so they're destroying him by proxy (in addition to killing off the actual Han in the last film).

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they're thinking of making Isaac's character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film---for "diversity", of course. I don't know how that would work since apparently in The Last Jedi they made the black guy hookup with a female character, but I'm thinking it'll be about sexual fluidity and how "love has no bounds" and on-the-down-low realities about black men.

    If so by trashing Isaac's character so much they've basically degraded a gay man, which would set up a diversity p.r. battle: gay men versus feminists.

    Also, Steve, I heard The Last Jedi was severely unperforming in China. Could you comment? I think hooking up the black guy with an Asian female would have something to do with it, even if the actress is Vietnamese and not Chinese. Of course, it could just be that it's a crappy movie/preach fest with no rationale behind anyone's actions, but hey, lots of things contribute.

    It appears Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible. A very, very strange maneuver from a bottom line standpoint.

    Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible.

    They’re doing the same with Marvel Comics. Hey, “Doin’ right ain’t got no end,” as that great American Forrest Carter wrote in “The Outlaw Josey Wales.”

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    They’re doing the same with Marvel Comics. Hey, “Doin’ right ain’t got no end,” as that great American Forrest Carter wrote in “The Outlaw Josey Wales.”
     
    We shall see. Kevin Feige has proven quite a steadying hand who has kept most of the SJW-stuff out of the Marvel films, even with feminazi nutcase Joss Wheedon at the helm of the Avengers. About the only SJW-nonsense that seeped in (1) was Black Widow as the token female tough grrl, but she is in the comics, so he really can't be held responsible, and her tough-grrl routine is kept minimal and she's not preaching feminism when she talks, and does serve a function; and (2) a hilariously unbelievable scene in Age of Ultron where Iron Man and Thor argue about whose girlfriend is more accomplished and smart----as if man cared about such a thing; that was clearly a Wheedon forced-scene.

    However, it does seem to be ramping up. The Black Panther film seems to be very "blacks are kangz!" and they're promoting very early the chick Captain Marvel film. Again, we shall see

    Also, as a side note, I don't think producer Kathy Kennedy is causing the feminazi/SJW destruction of Star Wars. Kennedy is an old Speilberg hand and was part of all the Indiana Jones films, Gremlins, Jurassic Park, Back to the Future Part II and III other big hit guy films if you check her resume. She clearly knows and likes making films that appeal to straight white males.

    Instead, I get the sense Kennedy may become the fall guy for any feminazism, and that it's someone higher up, perhaps a group-corporate decision, who is pushing this SJWism on Star Wars, and it may turn out to be that Kennedy held back even more egregious SJW insertion into the franchise.

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  97. @guest
    It was nice that Molly Ringwald ended up with Andrew McCarthy instead of Duckie, however.

    To hell with both of them. Young Spader as Steff.

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    I interpreted his character as being drunk or high in every scene. Which isn't a good quality for a high school student.

    Though that may have just been Spader's acting style.
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  98. @whorefinder
    John Hughes didn't shy away from those realities of the male/female dichotomy. In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn't get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Some critics claimed Hughes "fixed" this incongruity in Some Kind of Wonderful, where the lead male character gets with his alleged-ugly duckling best friend Mary Stuart Masterson versus the popular chick Lea Thompson, thereby finally giving the "outcast" best friend/sidekick the lead's love.

    Except the sexes are deliberately reversed, and Mary Stuart Masterson is clearly a very cute outcast chick just dressed not-like-a-prom-queen. Because for men, the social status of the girl he likes doesn't matter, it's about her looks, and most men can see through a girl's non-made-up facade to see she's got a cute face and decent body (although glamming her up will increase the "wow" factor when looking at her). But for girls, status matters.

    Nerd-gets-the-hot-girl movies are geared towards guys, most of whom by definition are not alpha, and therefore enjoy the story where they finally get the hot girl who is now out of reach. But after so many movies and TV shows promise this to guys and reality doesn't deliver, we get a lot of confusion and misery among guys, for whom pop culture has lied to them about the nature of women. Enter Game, PUA lifestyles, and the Alt-Right to fill the void.

    Notably, because the nerds don't get the girls but the alphas do, Sixteen Candles and Pretty in Pink, were/are more popular with teen girls than with boys. And of course Grease, which, in addition to being a musical, is the story of the good girl who tames the bad boy---and the alpha bad boy of the local gang at that. If it were for boys, the nerd would have beaten up John Travolta after showing him to be a pig and Sandy would have swooned for the nerd.

    And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    It was also handsome upperclassman vs. freshman at peak awkward stage. Hughes still threw Hall’s character an unlikely bone by insinuating he had a had a shot with that pretty senior chick. Hughes over the top films (Weird Science, 16 Candles) hold up much better than the the sentimental, after school special fare (Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink). The Breakfast Club in particular was an embarrassingly earnest attempt to amplify the normal adolescent pangs of middle class kids growing up in the suburbs into something far more serious. Too many adults who saw it on cable suddenly felt the need to become youth counselors.

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    Unfortunately, out of all of those, The Breakfast Club is the one most continuously referenced to this day by both men and women, and Judd Apatow's character is often lauded as a "bad boy" men should aspire to be, despite his being whiny and nasty and abused.

    I always pointed out to people who "luuuuved" the film that Apatow came off as a crybaby drama queen whose story sounds put upon or exaggerated, and how the ending basically says if you're a nerdy kid you should just shut up and do everyone's homework and not complain about not getting laid. I get daggers.
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  99. When I saw the film, I thought the character was poorly written because it was so cartoonish. You know, the sort of knuckle-dragging Neanderthal a liberal Irish playwright would think inhabits a place like Ebbing, MO.

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  100. Bad Guys are almost always the best parts.

    As usual, SJWs hurt the people they supposedly want to help. They want every movie to be some form of TKAMockingbird.

    I saw Andre Braugher play Iago at the Folger years ago, he was fantastic. Unconventional casting can be great if it’s not always in the same direction. And I’ll bet they’d sell more home security service plans if the burglars in the ads weren’t always goofy, harmless white guys.

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    Bad Guys are almost always the best parts.
     
    Yup. With a good guy, you have to keep him a certain set of boundaries, or else the audience stops sympathizing with him. Even "anti-hero" types can't do certain things, like kick dogs or beat their wives or be "racist". With villains, you can play them straight up evil, or you can even give them some gray shades to give them sympathy, and either works. Much more freedom. Plus, as red pilled guys know, evil isn't a turn off for female veiwers. Hannibal Lector is a good modern example.
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  101. @anon
    In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn’t get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Don't forget The Breakfast Club, where Molly Ringwald ends up with the bad boy (who is also a whiny prick), and the jock ends up with the crazy girl (which seems not only unlikely, but would probably end up being a valuable life lesson for him in the real world). And who does Anthony Michael Hall get? Nobody. Just the satisfaction of doing everyone else's homework for them, like a sucker.

    Ducky at least gets a girl in Pretty In Pink. Just not the one he wanted. It's hard to feel too sorry for him, though, as he seems to be almost deliberately annoying throughout the movie.

    It’s hard to feel too sorry for him, though, as he seems to be almost deliberately annoying throughout the movie.

    He came off as gay. His feelings for Ringwald’s character lacked the requisite teenage lust you’d expect, even from a beta orbiter.

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    He came off as gay.

    That too. Very, very gay. So gay that it was almost like he was making fun of gay people. But it wouldn't make sense for the character to be gay, so I always thought that Jon Cryer just really was gay all of my life, and that just came through in the performance. I was really surprised to find that he married a woman.
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  102. @Clyde
    Reggie Ugwu is from Nigeria and is a decent and intelligent writer
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/my-fathers-house?utm_term=.lrL441XLnV#.ivgeerDQL3

    More salient is that he’s Igbo, the tribe often referred to as “the Jews of Africa”.

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    Just think how Iggy Stooge might have turned out if he was an Igbo.
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  103. @Rosamond Vincy
    To hell with both of them. Young Spader as Steff.

    I interpreted his character as being drunk or high in every scene. Which isn’t a good quality for a high school student.

    Though that may have just been Spader’s acting style.

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    Maybe, but he goes after what he wants, even if it's in the wrong way. Andrew McCarthy is Hamlet. Meh.
    , @whorefinder
    I wonder just how many producers' offices James Spader had to visit late at night during his teen and early 20s to get to where he did. The man's acting style is so out there for a major film/TV actor he had to have done some casting couch work to break in. He's got to have some Corey Feldmen-type stories.
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  105. @whorefinder

    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series?
     
    Oscar Isaac is basically the Han Solo character, but as seen through SJW-man-hating feminist eyes. In other words, all of the male recklessness and cocksuredness and great piloting and rebel--with-a-heart-of-gold roguishness must be femsplained to be incompetent, bad, and he personally must in all ways be made secondary to the the females. Han was basically the sexy guy in high school/college that the purple-hair brigade never got to date---he was too busy with the hot chicks who didn't give him headaches----so they're destroying him by proxy (in addition to killing off the actual Han in the last film).

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they're thinking of making Isaac's character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film---for "diversity", of course. I don't know how that would work since apparently in The Last Jedi they made the black guy hookup with a female character, but I'm thinking it'll be about sexual fluidity and how "love has no bounds" and on-the-down-low realities about black men.

    If so by trashing Isaac's character so much they've basically degraded a gay man, which would set up a diversity p.r. battle: gay men versus feminists.

    Also, Steve, I heard The Last Jedi was severely unperforming in China. Could you comment? I think hooking up the black guy with an Asian female would have something to do with it, even if the actress is Vietnamese and not Chinese. Of course, it could just be that it's a crappy movie/preach fest with no rationale behind anyone's actions, but hey, lots of things contribute.

    It appears Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible. A very, very strange maneuver from a bottom line standpoint.

    “gay men versus feminists”

    Victory: feminists. That’s easy.

    Unless the gay man happens to be black, or at least more Other-y than Oscar Isaac. Who is capable of playing many races, including white. His breakout role as Llewyn Davis I always interpreted as white, at least. Given the fact that he identifies his unusual first name as Welsh, and his surname sounds Welsh, too.

    Gay men have precipitously fallen in Pokemon status since the victory of gay marriage, you may have noticed. Individuals are still influential and in positions of power, but the movement has lost its juice. The Culture War has less use for them.

    Eventually, I predict they’ll become just more males. Especially if they’re white or white-adjacent.

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    The homos haven't lost cache so much as they've been upstaged by the trannies. "hey, you thought you were so transgressive! Well, lookee here, we've got mental illness on you by a mile."

    IOW, they've been out-crazied. They're still sacrosanct according to the received wisdom. My son's professor at the JC explicitly told the students to never assume somebody's heterosexual. No talking about marriage as though it's a male/female endeavor!

    while I'm at it, I was just at kid's class put on by the local vector control. Lots of info about mosquitoes and their characteristics. There was no nonsense about "gender". It was male and female he created them, and nothing in between. Very refreshing.
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  106. @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences

    That sounds completely reasonable. The temptation is to assume a witch hunt based strictly on the actor’s race and/or political tribal affiliation.

    I do like when this crowd exercises same calm restraint.

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  107. @AndrewR
    An actor can always turn down a role. Choosing to play a poorly written character reflects poorly on the actor.

    That’s irrelevant. But now that you mention it, an actor’s job isn’t necessarily to pick the best-written roles. What if he thinks it’s an overall well-written story? What if he thinks the movie will be a hit, and wants to be seen in it? What if he really wants to work with the people involved? What if he thinks, “Hey, that’s not the best character on paper, but I can really do something with it.”

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    AndrewR's a troll, best to ignore him.
    , @Ivy
    Actors who are not yet household names may be glad for any role. They may hope for the day or even hour when they will be able to exercise more discretion rather than just accepting gratefully that big or small break, or the rent-paying gig. ("You're an actor? Which restaurant?"). Add in the impact or potentially malign influence of those colorful characters we've read about recently and see how many promising careers could be boosted or blown in ways not previously evident to the average movie viewer.
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  108. @Harry Baldwin
    Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible.

    They're doing the same with Marvel Comics. Hey, “Doin' right ain't got no end,” as that great American Forrest Carter wrote in "The Outlaw Josey Wales."

    They’re doing the same with Marvel Comics. Hey, “Doin’ right ain’t got no end,” as that great American Forrest Carter wrote in “The Outlaw Josey Wales.”

    We shall see. Kevin Feige has proven quite a steadying hand who has kept most of the SJW-stuff out of the Marvel films, even with feminazi nutcase Joss Wheedon at the helm of the Avengers. About the only SJW-nonsense that seeped in (1) was Black Widow as the token female tough grrl, but she is in the comics, so he really can’t be held responsible, and her tough-grrl routine is kept minimal and she’s not preaching feminism when she talks, and does serve a function; and (2) a hilariously unbelievable scene in Age of Ultron where Iron Man and Thor argue about whose girlfriend is more accomplished and smart—-as if man cared about such a thing; that was clearly a Wheedon forced-scene.

    However, it does seem to be ramping up. The Black Panther film seems to be very “blacks are kangz!” and they’re promoting very early the chick Captain Marvel film. Again, we shall see

    Also, as a side note, I don’t think producer Kathy Kennedy is causing the feminazi/SJW destruction of Star Wars. Kennedy is an old Speilberg hand and was part of all the Indiana Jones films, Gremlins, Jurassic Park, Back to the Future Part II and III other big hit guy films if you check her resume. She clearly knows and likes making films that appeal to straight white males.

    Instead, I get the sense Kennedy may become the fall guy for any feminazism, and that it’s someone higher up, perhaps a group-corporate decision, who is pushing this SJWism on Star Wars, and it may turn out to be that Kennedy held back even more egregious SJW insertion into the franchise.

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  109. @guest
    It was nice that Molly Ringwald ended up with Andrew McCarthy instead of Duckie, however.

    Nice and, more importantly, believable. Unfortunately, if teen boys watch the film—again, its a movie more for girls—- the point flies completely above their heads.

    The cause of a lot of blue pilled, true believer men and gamma behavior is their belief, reinforced by movies for teen boys, that nerdy or wimpy or just plain unalpha guys can get the hottest girl simply by being himself, beating the “jerk” alpha, and mouthing leftist platitudes. It’s why the red pill causes real pain and anguish for these men, and why many reject it so violently—-if you’ve built a major part of your life and personality on a certain belief, and there’s a hint that belief is false, much of your world comes crashing down. Plato’s parable of the caves, etc.

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  110. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Bad Guys are almost always the best parts.

    As usual, SJWs hurt the people they supposedly want to help. They want every movie to be some form of TKAMockingbird.

    I saw Andre Braugher play Iago at the Folger years ago, he was fantastic. Unconventional casting can be great if it's not always in the same direction. And I'll bet they'd sell more home security service plans if the burglars in the ads weren't always goofy, harmless white guys.

    Bad Guys are almost always the best parts.

    Yup. With a good guy, you have to keep him a certain set of boundaries, or else the audience stops sympathizing with him. Even “anti-hero” types can’t do certain things, like kick dogs or beat their wives or be “racist”. With villains, you can play them straight up evil, or you can even give them some gray shades to give them sympathy, and either works. Much more freedom. Plus, as red pilled guys know, evil isn’t a turn off for female veiwers. Hannibal Lector is a good modern example.

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  111. @Tom-in-VA
    “If it were for boys, the nerd would have beaten up John Travolta after showing him to be a pig and Sandy would have swooned for the nerd.“

    In other words, the George McFly story in Back to the Future.

    I don’t recall the part where Sandy was dating a time-traveler who happened to be her own son. (/troll).

    But I do recall Olivia Newton-John as Sandy. Sigh.

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  112. One of the Baddest Dudes was Aaron Eckhart who played Chad in the film “In the Company of Men.” Two male co-workers, working temporarily at a branch office, conspire to simultaneously romance an insecure woman and then dump her at the same time.

    As Chad says to his co-worker”Let’s hurt someone… She’ll be reaching for the sleeping pills within a week.” I wonder if this movie could even be made today.

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    I laughed when I watched "The Silence of the Lambs". But I was shaken to the core when I saw "In the Company of Men". It took me two days to settle down. I still consider it the most violent movie I've ever seen.
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  113. @whorefinder

    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series?
     
    Oscar Isaac is basically the Han Solo character, but as seen through SJW-man-hating feminist eyes. In other words, all of the male recklessness and cocksuredness and great piloting and rebel--with-a-heart-of-gold roguishness must be femsplained to be incompetent, bad, and he personally must in all ways be made secondary to the the females. Han was basically the sexy guy in high school/college that the purple-hair brigade never got to date---he was too busy with the hot chicks who didn't give him headaches----so they're destroying him by proxy (in addition to killing off the actual Han in the last film).

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they're thinking of making Isaac's character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film---for "diversity", of course. I don't know how that would work since apparently in The Last Jedi they made the black guy hookup with a female character, but I'm thinking it'll be about sexual fluidity and how "love has no bounds" and on-the-down-low realities about black men.

    If so by trashing Isaac's character so much they've basically degraded a gay man, which would set up a diversity p.r. battle: gay men versus feminists.

    Also, Steve, I heard The Last Jedi was severely unperforming in China. Could you comment? I think hooking up the black guy with an Asian female would have something to do with it, even if the actress is Vietnamese and not Chinese. Of course, it could just be that it's a crappy movie/preach fest with no rationale behind anyone's actions, but hey, lots of things contribute.

    It appears Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible. A very, very strange maneuver from a bottom line standpoint.

    Never about profits. Always about sjw messages.

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  114. @Harry Baldwin
    "The Wire" is one of the best-written and most realistic things I've ever seen. Not only better than almost any television series, but better than almost any movie. And you know what? At the end of it, a fair number of the bad guys got away without consequences. That's part of what made the show feel real.

    Agree that “The Wire” was a great achievement in, say, sociological realism. Just, in my opinion, HLOTS was much better (or different), one of the few triumphs of American TV. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2010/mar/27/homicide-life-street-david-simon

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  115. @midtown
    OT: What are the odds that a left-handed Samoan freshman quarterback would win the national championship? https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-vs-georgia-freshman-qb-tua-tagovailoa-replaces-jalen-hurts-at-halftime/

    midtown, What coach, other than Nick Saban, would bench his star QB (25-2) for a true freshman with no starts? Saban is so focused and intense that I am willing to bet the first thing he said to his staff after the win was…”Find me a reliable field goal kicker.”

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    My guess is he knew through practice time what Tua could do and that both he and the starter were very close in talent, although maybe good at different things. So when the starter was ineffective, it was not that great of a leap to try the other. The question will be who will be the starter going forward. And yes, they will probably leave no stone unturned to find a PK.
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  116. @guest
    I interpreted his character as being drunk or high in every scene. Which isn't a good quality for a high school student.

    Though that may have just been Spader's acting style.

    Maybe, but he goes after what he wants, even if it’s in the wrong way. Andrew McCarthy is Hamlet. Meh.

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    And again we see: women value a man with drive and ambition and win-at-all-costs mentality, and don't care about his morality or moral quandries.

    It's not for nothing that men have long commented on the fact that women are feckless and have no moral compass. It's because they don't .
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  117. @Hunsdon
    Nigeria needs writers.

    Nigeria needs writers rather more than America does; we have them aplenty.

    But does Nigeria have any readers? Also, yes indeed, cease all immigrants from the vibrant counties.

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  118. @Rosamond Vincy
    Maybe, but he goes after what he wants, even if it's in the wrong way. Andrew McCarthy is Hamlet. Meh.

    And again we see: women value a man with drive and ambition and win-at-all-costs mentality, and don’t care about his morality or moral quandries.

    It’s not for nothing that men have long commented on the fact that women are feckless and have no moral compass. It’s because they don’t .

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    Surely Spader's incredible '80s hair has something to do with it? Looks count.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    In terms of cavewoman instincts, Ducky couldn't defend you from the sabertooth tiger, Blaine might not even try. Steff damned well would defend you from the sabertooth tiger--unless he hired the tiger himself.
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  119. @guest
    That's irrelevant. But now that you mention it, an actor's job isn't necessarily to pick the best-written roles. What if he thinks it's an overall well-written story? What if he thinks the movie will be a hit, and wants to be seen in it? What if he really wants to work with the people involved? What if he thinks, "Hey, that's not the best character on paper, but I can really do something with it."

    AndrewR’s a troll, best to ignore him.

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  120. @guest
    I interpreted his character as being drunk or high in every scene. Which isn't a good quality for a high school student.

    Though that may have just been Spader's acting style.

    I wonder just how many producers’ offices James Spader had to visit late at night during his teen and early 20s to get to where he did. The man’s acting style is so out there for a major film/TV actor he had to have done some casting couch work to break in. He’s got to have some Corey Feldmen-type stories.

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  121. @JerryC
    A Person Of Color in whiteface should have played this deplorable racist role.

    A Person Of Color in whiteface should have played this deplorable racist role.

    Or, Harvey Keitel-style, in white-something-else.

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  122. @Maj. Kong
    Brooks is right in ripping Dinesh. D'Souza is an unethical plagiarist that "punches right" and never gets called on it because he isn't white.

    Has Dinesh ever called out his co-ethnics for voting BJP in India but Democrat here? Has he ever called one of his co-ethics anti-white?

    But that’s exactly not why Brooks is ripping D’Souza. Brooks is ripping D’Souza for being in the same category as Hannity, which is plainly untrue except in the sense that Brooks is allowed to have opinions and )))certain others((( are not.

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  123. @El Dato
    It begins! BBC reports on Romania being successfully diversified.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42439405

    I know a Romanian whose body was not ready to sit next to Big Black Guy in the office to the point of freaking a bit out, so this may be a Big Thing.

    Thanks for the story.

    Here’s the correct link.

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  124. @Steve Sailer
    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn't Oscar Isaac the star of this new series? He looks like if Al Pacino had been cast as Han Solo in 1977, and he can act. He's some kind of Latino Middle Easterner for intersectionality points.

    Because he has a dick and no man is sucking it.

    Next question.

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  125. @whorefinder
    John Hughes didn't shy away from those realities of the male/female dichotomy. In Pretty in Pink, the nerdy Ducky doesn't get the girl, the rich kid Andy McCarthy does. And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.

    Some critics claimed Hughes "fixed" this incongruity in Some Kind of Wonderful, where the lead male character gets with his alleged-ugly duckling best friend Mary Stuart Masterson versus the popular chick Lea Thompson, thereby finally giving the "outcast" best friend/sidekick the lead's love.

    Except the sexes are deliberately reversed, and Mary Stuart Masterson is clearly a very cute outcast chick just dressed not-like-a-prom-queen. Because for men, the social status of the girl he likes doesn't matter, it's about her looks, and most men can see through a girl's non-made-up facade to see she's got a cute face and decent body (although glamming her up will increase the "wow" factor when looking at her). But for girls, status matters.

    Nerd-gets-the-hot-girl movies are geared towards guys, most of whom by definition are not alpha, and therefore enjoy the story where they finally get the hot girl who is now out of reach. But after so many movies and TV shows promise this to guys and reality doesn't deliver, we get a lot of confusion and misery among guys, for whom pop culture has lied to them about the nature of women. Enter Game, PUA lifestyles, and the Alt-Right to fill the void.

    Notably, because the nerds don't get the girls but the alphas do, Sixteen Candles and Pretty in Pink, were/are more popular with teen girls than with boys. And of course Grease, which, in addition to being a musical, is the story of the good girl who tames the bad boy---and the alpha bad boy of the local gang at that. If it were for boys, the nerd would have beaten up John Travolta after showing him to be a pig and Sandy would have swooned for the nerd.

    Has anyone here ever seen Black Widow (1987), starring Debra Winger and Theresa Russell? It’s not a great movie, but it’s a good primer on the psychology of female jealousy. The trailer makes it seem a little cheesier than it actually is:

    Russell is a sociopath who has a nasty habit of marrying rich men (including Dennis Hopper and Nicol Williamson), murdering them, and running off with their money. Winger is a low-level Justice Department researcher who figures out what Russell is doing, chases her, finds her, befriends her, and doggedly pursues her until … well, I don’t want to give away the ending.

    The movie makes it clear that Winger is jealous of Russell. (At one point, Russell “loans” her boyfriend to Winger, and Winger explicitly says that she “can’t compete.”) Winger’s depressing daily routine – she’s a workaholic who comes home to an empty apartment every night – is contrasted with Russell’s glamorous lifestyle.

    Winger is driven by a resentful-plain-girl-going-after-the-popular-cheerleader mentality. And, yes, it’s easy to see Winger as a (((plain))) girl going after a *blonde* WASP who is prettier and better able to snare high-status men.

    Interestingly, Winger was offered the Russell role, but turned it down because she couldn’t understand the character’s motivations.

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    Female divorce attorneys sometimes specialize in representing men in divorce custody battles. Those who do ---that is, those women whose job it is is to tear another woman to pieces and a hussy and golddigger and such on the stand----are often the nastiest of all lawyers, and that's saying something, since divorce law itself attracts basically people for whom Hollywood entertainment law and/or slip-and-fall law suits aren''t sociopathic enough.

    When Paul McCartney divorced his peg-leg golddigger porn star second wife (the won he hooked up with less than a year after his long-term first wife's body was cold), he hired a female divorce attorney who tore his second wife to shreds and reduced her divorce share to about 1/10th of what she could have gotten if she'd settled with Paul at the beginning of the divorce.

    The second wife and Paul's divorce attorney hated each other so much that, at the final court hearing, the second wife took a carafe of water off the court room table and, in front of the judge, dumped it not on Paul, but on Paul's divorce lawyer (who emerged from court with wet hair as a result).

    That's a new level of how much women can hate other women.

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  126. @TheBoom
    Awards should only be given to actors who play woke characters. If the character's dialog doesn't contain a denunciation of white supremacy, the character is problematic

    Yet Hollywood supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY.
    And no Hollywood / media mention of:

    Israel to shut migrant centre and deport Africans

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/

    or:
    Israel will pay African migrants to leave, to jail if they don’t accept.

    http://news.trust.org/item/20180103115805-egc1s

    “Netanyahu has called the migrants’ presence a threat to Israel’s social fabric and Jewish character, and one government minister has referred to them as “a cancer”.”

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  127. @Jus' Sayin'...
    More salient is that he's Igbo, the tribe often referred to as "the Jews of Africa".

    Just think how Iggy Stooge might have turned out if he was an Igbo.

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  128. @Seth Largo
    Are you a fluent German speaker? I would translate it as "There are no police in Berlin who did not vote AfD."

    If you are a German speaker, please do correct me. I'm always trying to refine my Deutsch.

    Are you a fluent German speaker?

    Ja.

    “There are no police in Berlin who did not vote AfD.”

    Literally, yes, that’s what he said — but I found such an absolute claim rather unlikely — etwas übertrieben — so I softened it to something more reasonable/glaubwürdig.

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    Germanics cannot feel that they are alone in something so they will involuntarily talk up numbers (here Swedes are much worse than Germans, Bavarians are better than Berliners, and Austrians are almost free of this tendency: it seems to be geographically tied), but he is probably correct in spirit as far as a clear majority.
    There was a German youth court judge who tried to talk about what she was seeing every day. Decent people predictably compared her to, or declared her to be, that other sort of German. After enduring that for a while she killed herself. The media denies this vociferously, I forget if they claim it was random death or just suicide without a clear motive, but there's no denying the pressure she was under.
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  129. @whorefinder

    I saw the last half hour of the Star Wars movie, and I was wondering: Why isn’t Oscar Isaac the star of this new series?
     
    Oscar Isaac is basically the Han Solo character, but as seen through SJW-man-hating feminist eyes. In other words, all of the male recklessness and cocksuredness and great piloting and rebel--with-a-heart-of-gold roguishness must be femsplained to be incompetent, bad, and he personally must in all ways be made secondary to the the females. Han was basically the sexy guy in high school/college that the purple-hair brigade never got to date---he was too busy with the hot chicks who didn't give him headaches----so they're destroying him by proxy (in addition to killing off the actual Han in the last film).

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they're thinking of making Isaac's character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film---for "diversity", of course. I don't know how that would work since apparently in The Last Jedi they made the black guy hookup with a female character, but I'm thinking it'll be about sexual fluidity and how "love has no bounds" and on-the-down-low realities about black men.

    If so by trashing Isaac's character so much they've basically degraded a gay man, which would set up a diversity p.r. battle: gay men versus feminists.

    Also, Steve, I heard The Last Jedi was severely unperforming in China. Could you comment? I think hooking up the black guy with an Asian female would have something to do with it, even if the actress is Vietnamese and not Chinese. Of course, it could just be that it's a crappy movie/preach fest with no rationale behind anyone's actions, but hey, lots of things contribute.

    It appears Disney bought this franchise expressly for the purpose of running it into the ground as quickly as possible. A very, very strange maneuver from a bottom line standpoint.

    Interestingly, a strong rumor floating now is that they’re thinking of making Isaac’s character and the black guy a homosexual couple in the next Star Wars film—for “diversity”, of course.

    Not going to happen due to the Chinese/Asian movie markets not being brainwashed enough into sexual diversity. Asians will stay away from the theaters in droves. We know these stupid Star Wars remakes are dependent on foreign revenues.

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  130. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @MarcB.

    It’s hard to feel too sorry for him, though, as he seems to be almost deliberately annoying throughout the movie.
     
    He came off as gay. His feelings for Ringwald's character lacked the requisite teenage lust you'd expect, even from a beta orbiter.

    He came off as gay.

    That too. Very, very gay. So gay that it was almost like he was making fun of gay people. But it wouldn’t make sense for the character to be gay, so I always thought that Jon Cryer just really was gay all of my life, and that just came through in the performance. I was really surprised to find that he married a woman.

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  131. @Michelle
    Actors don't get any better than Sam Rockwell. Moon. Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. The man is su effing perb. Any acknowledgment of his artistry is welcome to my mind.

    He’s also really excellent in that Jesse James movie where he plays a nervous member of James’ gang. Seriously rec it, even Brad Pitt is bearable in this film.

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  132. @Buffalo Joe
    midtown, What coach, other than Nick Saban, would bench his star QB (25-2) for a true freshman with no starts? Saban is so focused and intense that I am willing to bet the first thing he said to his staff after the win was..."Find me a reliable field goal kicker."

    My guess is he knew through practice time what Tua could do and that both he and the starter were very close in talent, although maybe good at different things. So when the starter was ineffective, it was not that great of a leap to try the other. The question will be who will be the starter going forward. And yes, they will probably leave no stone unturned to find a PK.

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  133. Do any of you watch ‘Live PD’? There’s a NC cop they follow, Danny Brown, who reminds me so much of this character. He’s a sadistic and twisted racist. So I guess art imitates life in real time in the late 2010s.

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  134. Colin Flaherty’s youtube channel reporting on black on white crime (referenced in a number of past Unz comment section posts) has been terminated and all his videos removed. Where someone has uploaded one of his videos within their video, as the below example, youtube has partially censored.

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    Flaherty is a completely middle of the road guy with no history of "identitarianism" or lunches with David Duke twenty years ago or anything like that, and his only crime lately has been to notice the patterns of completely out of proportion, out of control, and unreported black crime. This is literally two plus two equals five.
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  135. @CCZ
    Colin Flaherty's youtube channel reporting on black on white crime (referenced in a number of past Unz comment section posts) has been terminated and all his videos removed. Where someone has uploaded one of his videos within their video, as the below example, youtube has partially censored.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WboFRZ2Uts

    Flaherty is a completely middle of the road guy with no history of “identitarianism” or lunches with David Duke twenty years ago or anything like that, and his only crime lately has been to notice the patterns of completely out of proportion, out of control, and unreported black crime. This is literally two plus two equals five.

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  136. @eah
    Are you a fluent German speaker?

    Ja.

    “There are no police in Berlin who did not vote AfD.”

    Literally, yes, that's what he said -- but I found such an absolute claim rather unlikely -- etwas übertrieben -- so I softened it to something more reasonable/glaubwürdig.

    Germanics cannot feel that they are alone in something so they will involuntarily talk up numbers (here Swedes are much worse than Germans, Bavarians are better than Berliners, and Austrians are almost free of this tendency: it seems to be geographically tied), but he is probably correct in spirit as far as a clear majority.
    There was a German youth court judge who tried to talk about what she was seeing every day. Decent people predictably compared her to, or declared her to be, that other sort of German. After enduring that for a while she killed herself. The media denies this vociferously, I forget if they claim it was random death or just suicide without a clear motive, but there’s no denying the pressure she was under.

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    a German youth court judge

    Kirsten Heisig
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  137. @whorefinder
    And again we see: women value a man with drive and ambition and win-at-all-costs mentality, and don't care about his morality or moral quandries.

    It's not for nothing that men have long commented on the fact that women are feckless and have no moral compass. It's because they don't .

    Surely Spader’s incredible ’80s hair has something to do with it? Looks count.

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  138. “Altman’s “M*A*S*H” … appalled by the blatant racism, misogyny, sexism, cis-genderism, transphobia, etc, and couldn’t believe he once enjoyed it.”

    It must be tough, constantly having to struggle-session with your own memory.

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  139. @whorefinder
    And again we see: women value a man with drive and ambition and win-at-all-costs mentality, and don't care about his morality or moral quandries.

    It's not for nothing that men have long commented on the fact that women are feckless and have no moral compass. It's because they don't .

    In terms of cavewoman instincts, Ducky couldn’t defend you from the sabertooth tiger, Blaine might not even try. Steff damned well would defend you from the sabertooth tiger–unless he hired the tiger himself.

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    James Spader as Ultron was a very good move, but he really should have a Hannibal Lector-type big screen criminal to his name. He just exudes creepiness and malevolence and morality-doesn't-matter, as his turn in Boston Legal showed.

    I could actually see Spader pulling off something impossible, like playing a man who's racist and kicks dogs and beats his innocent wife and yet still maintaining audience and critical sympathy.
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  140. @kihowi
    Is that obviously gay black man really called Ugwu?

    That reminds me of the role of names in tribalism. Displaying a self-consciously foreign name is a act of aggression. "Hey everybody! I don't want to be like you! I like that other continent better anyway!" Added to that is the small annoyance you cause everybody who has to figure out how to pronounce it. That's a microaggression.

    In the past, foreign immigrants changed their name to fit in.

    “That reminds me of the role of names in tribalism. Displaying a self-consciously foreign name is a act of aggression”

    Now black Londoners called Ian demand to be called Kwame.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kwei-Armah

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  141. @MarcB.

    And as you said, in Sixteen Candles, Molly Ringwald gets the rich handsome alpha, not nerdy Anthony Michael Hall.
     
    It was also handsome upperclassman vs. freshman at peak awkward stage. Hughes still threw Hall's character an unlikely bone by insinuating he had a had a shot with that pretty senior chick. Hughes over the top films (Weird Science, 16 Candles) hold up much better than the the sentimental, after school special fare (Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink). The Breakfast Club in particular was an embarrassingly earnest attempt to amplify the normal adolescent pangs of middle class kids growing up in the suburbs into something far more serious. Too many adults who saw it on cable suddenly felt the need to become youth counselors.

    Unfortunately, out of all of those, The Breakfast Club is the one most continuously referenced to this day by both men and women, and Judd Apatow’s character is often lauded as a “bad boy” men should aspire to be, despite his being whiny and nasty and abused.

    I always pointed out to people who “luuuuved” the film that Apatow came off as a crybaby drama queen whose story sounds put upon or exaggerated, and how the ending basically says if you’re a nerdy kid you should just shut up and do everyone’s homework and not complain about not getting laid. I get daggers.

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    Judd Apatow?
    , @J.Ross
    Out of all the things Apatow is responsible for, this is not one.
    I admit I had to look it up, you mean Judd Nelson.
    (Hey, Detective Skanky was in this movie!)
    , @Lurker
    You mean Judd Nelson?
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  142. @ScarletNumber
    The gay black guy on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is pretty funny.

    The gay black guy on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is pretty funny.

    When black guys come out as gay, they come out as so extremely gay that it’s almost like a new class of homosexual. Perhaps its over compensation for having to butch it up so much amongst blacks growing up, perhaps its blacks natural tendency to act up in public, perhaps its something else, but if a black guy’s out of the closet, you can tell him a mile away, if only from his loud effeminate gay voice screeching and screaming to top volume.

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  143. @whorefinder
    Unfortunately, out of all of those, The Breakfast Club is the one most continuously referenced to this day by both men and women, and Judd Apatow's character is often lauded as a "bad boy" men should aspire to be, despite his being whiny and nasty and abused.

    I always pointed out to people who "luuuuved" the film that Apatow came off as a crybaby drama queen whose story sounds put upon or exaggerated, and how the ending basically says if you're a nerdy kid you should just shut up and do everyone's homework and not complain about not getting laid. I get daggers.

    Judd Apatow?

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    lol. Sorry, meant Judd Nelson, my mistake. I think I was confused because I just was reading about John Hughes, and Judd Apatow said something like "all my films are just John Hughes films with dick jokes".

    Man, there a lot of Judds in Hollywood, for such an unusual name. Judd Nelson, Judd Apatown, Ashley Judd.....

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  144. @Stan Adams
    Has anyone here ever seen Black Widow (1987), starring Debra Winger and Theresa Russell? It's not a great movie, but it's a good primer on the psychology of female jealousy. The trailer makes it seem a little cheesier than it actually is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDQjTZvVXWU

    Russell is a sociopath who has a nasty habit of marrying rich men (including Dennis Hopper and Nicol Williamson), murdering them, and running off with their money. Winger is a low-level Justice Department researcher who figures out what Russell is doing, chases her, finds her, befriends her, and doggedly pursues her until ... well, I don't want to give away the ending.

    The movie makes it clear that Winger is jealous of Russell. (At one point, Russell "loans" her boyfriend to Winger, and Winger explicitly says that she "can't compete.") Winger's depressing daily routine - she's a workaholic who comes home to an empty apartment every night - is contrasted with Russell's glamorous lifestyle.

    Winger is driven by a resentful-plain-girl-going-after-the-popular-cheerleader mentality. And, yes, it's easy to see Winger as a (((plain))) girl going after a *blonde* WASP who is prettier and better able to snare high-status men.

    Interestingly, Winger was offered the Russell role, but turned it down because she couldn't understand the character's motivations.

    Female divorce attorneys sometimes specialize in representing men in divorce custody battles. Those who do —that is, those women whose job it is is to tear another woman to pieces and a hussy and golddigger and such on the stand—-are often the nastiest of all lawyers, and that’s saying something, since divorce law itself attracts basically people for whom Hollywood entertainment law and/or slip-and-fall law suits aren”t sociopathic enough.

    When Paul McCartney divorced his peg-leg golddigger porn star second wife (the won he hooked up with less than a year after his long-term first wife’s body was cold), he hired a female divorce attorney who tore his second wife to shreds and reduced her divorce share to about 1/10th of what she could have gotten if she’d settled with Paul at the beginning of the divorce.

    The second wife and Paul’s divorce attorney hated each other so much that, at the final court hearing, the second wife took a carafe of water off the court room table and, in front of the judge, dumped it not on Paul, but on Paul’s divorce lawyer (who emerged from court with wet hair as a result).

    That’s a new level of how much women can hate other women.

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    A man should always have a woman divorce attorney. There are certain things a woman can get away with that a man never could, plus only a woman can truly know what another woman is capable of.
    , @DCThrowback
    incredible comment, thanks.
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  145. @Steve Sailer
    Judd Apatow?

    lol. Sorry, meant Judd Nelson, my mistake. I think I was confused because I just was reading about John Hughes, and Judd Apatow said something like “all my films are just John Hughes films with dick jokes”.

    Man, there a lot of Judds in Hollywood, for such an unusual name. Judd Nelson, Judd Apatown, Ashley Judd…..

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    Hirsch
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  146. It’s amazing how far Sam Rockwell’s career has come since playing Guy Fleegman in Galaxy Quest.

    Thanks for mentioning that. For some reason I had placed Rockwell as the Franken-faced FBI guy from Boardwalk Empire. He’s who seems to be a big cuck, I know nothing about Rockwell’s politics. You could tell he was gonna be really good from his turn in Galaxy Quest. He showed real acting chops, and real comedic chops. He reminds me a bit of Bob Odenkirk, he’s great at the sleazy manipulative gladhander.

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    He was also great in Matchstick Men and a recent blind item at CDAN has him pegged as one of the nicest guys in Hollywood (he and his wife did something extraordinarily nice and cool at the Golden Globes). So in my book, he's one of the good guys.
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  147. And yet they probably wouldn’t have had any problem if he had won an award for playing Hannibal Lecter.

    Murder is real crime. So they know it will stay a crime if they stop enforcing it in their fantasy land. Racism is a phony crime. They know it will stop being a crime if they stop enforcing it in their fantasy land.

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  148. @Rosamond Vincy
    In terms of cavewoman instincts, Ducky couldn't defend you from the sabertooth tiger, Blaine might not even try. Steff damned well would defend you from the sabertooth tiger--unless he hired the tiger himself.

    James Spader as Ultron was a very good move, but he really should have a Hannibal Lector-type big screen criminal to his name. He just exudes creepiness and malevolence and morality-doesn’t-matter, as his turn in Boston Legal showed.

    I could actually see Spader pulling off something impossible, like playing a man who’s racist and kicks dogs and beats his innocent wife and yet still maintaining audience and critical sympathy.

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    He's actually played a fair number of psychopaths. His character in The Blacklist is one, Less Than Zero was another. More than a few people have commented that he and Rob Lowe could have switched roles in Bad Influence and the movie would have worked just as well, if not better.
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  149. @Dube
    You think that an actor's work is to simply read the writing?

    He thinks actors are all cash-engorged and can turn down roles at will.

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  150. @whorefinder
    Unfortunately, out of all of those, The Breakfast Club is the one most continuously referenced to this day by both men and women, and Judd Apatow's character is often lauded as a "bad boy" men should aspire to be, despite his being whiny and nasty and abused.

    I always pointed out to people who "luuuuved" the film that Apatow came off as a crybaby drama queen whose story sounds put upon or exaggerated, and how the ending basically says if you're a nerdy kid you should just shut up and do everyone's homework and not complain about not getting laid. I get daggers.

    Out of all the things Apatow is responsible for, this is not one.
    I admit I had to look it up, you mean Judd Nelson.
    (Hey, Detective Skanky was in this movie!)

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  151. @AndrewR
    I feel dirty to say something that an SJW would agree with, but you have mischaracterized the reason people are upset. People feel that the character was poorly written in that he never faced any consequences (or even just plain guilt) for the bad behavior he admits, for laughs, to have previously committed. It's a reasonable critique of the character. If a character is poorly written then an actor should probably not get an award for that character, even if the acting was good.

    Is it fair to say that your favorite tales (parables) begin with ‘Once upon a time’ and end with ‘They all lived H A E’?
    In real life no one ever pays.

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    In real life no one ever pays.
     
    And they often end up on top.
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  152. @whorefinder
    Unfortunately, out of all of those, The Breakfast Club is the one most continuously referenced to this day by both men and women, and Judd Apatow's character is often lauded as a "bad boy" men should aspire to be, despite his being whiny and nasty and abused.

    I always pointed out to people who "luuuuved" the film that Apatow came off as a crybaby drama queen whose story sounds put upon or exaggerated, and how the ending basically says if you're a nerdy kid you should just shut up and do everyone's homework and not complain about not getting laid. I get daggers.

    You mean Judd Nelson?

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  153. even with feminazi nutcase Joss Wheedon at the helm of the Avengers.

    Joss Whedon has an awful lot of questionable material in his past to be as pozzed as dissident righters seem to think he is. Exhibit A would be Firefly, which featured plucky Confederate heros sticking it to the Union after losing the Civil War, and not one but two ultimate villains played by black guys (one at the end of the show’s run, and another for double-down goodness in the film). He has way too much fun with mirror universe episodes about Hydra (nazis) in Agents of SHIELD (Hydra world doesn’t seem that bad, and the horrible fascists actually get several asides to articulate their viewpoints in ways not designed to make them look bad), etc. I say the guy has a wide subversive streak. Yes, he’s got a weird thing about butt-kicking babes. Worth pointing out is that this allows him to show women being punched in the face. Also worth pointing out is that this allowed him to pair a white guy with a hot black wife; everyone who reads the manual knows that onscreen interracial relationships aren’t supposed to work that way.

    (2) a hilariously unbelievable scene in Age of Ultron where Iron Man and Thor argue about whose girlfriend is more accomplished and smart—-as if man cared about such a thing; that was clearly a Wheedon forced-scene.

    Forcing Scarlett to get up and walk away because “testosterone.” The idea being, guys will argue about and be competitive over even the most absurd shit, even shit they don’t care about.

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  154. @mikeInThe716
    One of the Baddest Dudes was Aaron Eckhart who played Chad in the film "In the Company of Men." Two male co-workers, working temporarily at a branch office, conspire to simultaneously romance an insecure woman and then dump her at the same time.

    As Chad says to his co-worker"Let's hurt someone... She'll be reaching for the sleeping pills within a week." I wonder if this movie could even be made today.

    I laughed when I watched “The Silence of the Lambs”. But I was shaken to the core when I saw “In the Company of Men”. It took me two days to settle down. I still consider it the most violent movie I’ve ever seen.

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    Was Company of Men the one that ends with a beta trying to do the right thing screaming at a deaf girl who rejected him? And middles with the alpha flagrantly lying to his wife, to her total credulity?
    Did you see "Let's Kill All The Lawyers"?
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  155. @Kylie
    I laughed when I watched "The Silence of the Lambs". But I was shaken to the core when I saw "In the Company of Men". It took me two days to settle down. I still consider it the most violent movie I've ever seen.

    Was Company of Men the one that ends with a beta trying to do the right thing screaming at a deaf girl who rejected him? And middles with the alpha flagrantly lying to his wife, to her total credulity?
    Did you see “Let’s Kill All The Lawyers”?

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    Yes. No. You recommend it?
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  156. @whorefinder
    I think it would be interesting to trace the history of "traditional" Irish names coming back into popularity versus times of rising revolutionary actions/terrorism in Ireland against English/Protestant rule. There's probably a correlation in there somewhere, and given the history goes back hundreds of years, might be fairly well establishable.

    Might give us all some clue about what's in store for us since I've noticed at least two generations of "Laquishas" and "DeShauns" roaming around causing all sorts of diversity. I don't think its been widespread further back than that, since black Tim Meadows joked about how trashy "black" names sounded in, of all movies, Mean Girls (2004):

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/762515780630009082/


    Anyway, I'm sure the CIA made a study of that years ago.

    The Irish rebels of 1916 mostly were baptized with given names like John Francis or James Joseph, although some had adopted Gaelic Christian names by the time they rebelled (which was, for almost all of the leaders anyway, soon followed by execution by the British.) Eamon de Valera was an exception; there may have been others. (He was also an exception to the part about being executed.)

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  157. @guest
    "gay men versus feminists"

    Victory: feminists. That's easy.

    Unless the gay man happens to be black, or at least more Other-y than Oscar Isaac. Who is capable of playing many races, including white. His breakout role as Llewyn Davis I always interpreted as white, at least. Given the fact that he identifies his unusual first name as Welsh, and his surname sounds Welsh, too.

    Gay men have precipitously fallen in Pokemon status since the victory of gay marriage, you may have noticed. Individuals are still influential and in positions of power, but the movement has lost its juice. The Culture War has less use for them.

    Eventually, I predict they'll become just more males. Especially if they're white or white-adjacent.

    The homos haven’t lost cache so much as they’ve been upstaged by the trannies. “hey, you thought you were so transgressive! Well, lookee here, we’ve got mental illness on you by a mile.”

    IOW, they’ve been out-crazied. They’re still sacrosanct according to the received wisdom. My son’s professor at the JC explicitly told the students to never assume somebody’s heterosexual. No talking about marriage as though it’s a male/female endeavor!

    while I’m at it, I was just at kid’s class put on by the local vector control. Lots of info about mosquitoes and their characteristics. There was no nonsense about “gender”. It was male and female he created them, and nothing in between. Very refreshing.

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    The homos haven’t lost cache so much as they’ve been upstaged by the trannies.
     
    Agreed. Homosexuals are still close to the top of the victim rankings. Trannies are now at the very top. But homosexuals still outrank black men and white women.

    On the other hand a black homosexual man has lots of victim status. I could see Disney going for that. Especially with the crazy SJWs who seem to be in charge of their Star Wars franchise.

    Commercially it would be dumb since Asian markets would hate it. But SJWs don't care about that and Disney doesn't care about that. Those racist homophobic Chinese have to be taught to think exactly like American SJWs.
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  158. @Steve Sailer
    Who was the first Samoan college quarterback?

    Jack Thompson, the Throwin' Samoan, at Washington State in 1976?

    Then there was Samoa Samoa at WSU in 1980. I figured his name made up for Thompson's name in ethnic obviousness.

    Washington football teams collected some fun names back in the day. Sonny Sixkiller at UW was a few years older than the WSU guys, and had a film appearance in The Longest Yard. Dunno if he ever had a pick six.

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  159. Three federal Ugwus average $100,113 (+$17,000). Small sample size, carried high by a doctor.

    Seven federal names with an Ugwu root average 92,472 (+9,770) .

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  160. @guest
    That's irrelevant. But now that you mention it, an actor's job isn't necessarily to pick the best-written roles. What if he thinks it's an overall well-written story? What if he thinks the movie will be a hit, and wants to be seen in it? What if he really wants to work with the people involved? What if he thinks, "Hey, that's not the best character on paper, but I can really do something with it."

    Actors who are not yet household names may be glad for any role. They may hope for the day or even hour when they will be able to exercise more discretion rather than just accepting gratefully that big or small break, or the rent-paying gig. (“You’re an actor? Which restaurant?”). Add in the impact or potentially malign influence of those colorful characters we’ve read about recently and see how many promising careers could be boosted or blown in ways not previously evident to the average movie viewer.

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    (“You’re an actor? Which restaurant?”)
     
    I heard this story years ago. It might be apocryphal.

    A dinner-theater company decided to add an audience-participation component to its performance. The patrons were not told that they were about to become part of the show.

    During the meal, an actor dressed like a jewelry thief burst into the dining room, brandishing a gun, and screamed at the unsuspecting diners: "Everyone on the floor! Down on the ground! Now!"

    (The idea was that the thief would "steal" an expensive necklace from one of the diners - an undercover actor - and then the patrons would assist the "detective" in solving the crime.)

    One of the elderly diners slumped to the floor, clutching his chest, while his wife started screaming that he was having a heart attack. (Supposedly it was merely a panic attack.) The actor immediately dropped the gun and crouched down to help the old man, but before he could explain what was going on, one of the other patrons smashed a plate over his head. After being kicked multiple times, he ended having to go to the hospital.

    Needless to say, some of the patrons filed lawsuits, and the company went out of business.
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  161. @J.Ross
    Was Company of Men the one that ends with a beta trying to do the right thing screaming at a deaf girl who rejected him? And middles with the alpha flagrantly lying to his wife, to her total credulity?
    Did you see "Let's Kill All The Lawyers"?

    Yes. No. You recommend it?

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    It's not bad but not necessary, it's kind of similar as a very intelligent and specifically focused independent film. Better than anything in theatres.
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  162. @whorefinder
    lol. Sorry, meant Judd Nelson, my mistake. I think I was confused because I just was reading about John Hughes, and Judd Apatow said something like "all my films are just John Hughes films with dick jokes".

    Man, there a lot of Judds in Hollywood, for such an unusual name. Judd Nelson, Judd Apatown, Ashley Judd.....

    Hirsch

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  163. @whorefinder
    Female divorce attorneys sometimes specialize in representing men in divorce custody battles. Those who do ---that is, those women whose job it is is to tear another woman to pieces and a hussy and golddigger and such on the stand----are often the nastiest of all lawyers, and that's saying something, since divorce law itself attracts basically people for whom Hollywood entertainment law and/or slip-and-fall law suits aren''t sociopathic enough.

    When Paul McCartney divorced his peg-leg golddigger porn star second wife (the won he hooked up with less than a year after his long-term first wife's body was cold), he hired a female divorce attorney who tore his second wife to shreds and reduced her divorce share to about 1/10th of what she could have gotten if she'd settled with Paul at the beginning of the divorce.

    The second wife and Paul's divorce attorney hated each other so much that, at the final court hearing, the second wife took a carafe of water off the court room table and, in front of the judge, dumped it not on Paul, but on Paul's divorce lawyer (who emerged from court with wet hair as a result).

    That's a new level of how much women can hate other women.

    A man should always have a woman divorce attorney. There are certain things a woman can get away with that a man never could, plus only a woman can truly know what another woman is capable of.

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    Only a woman attorney could be taken seriously when she argues in open court that an ex-wife's allegations of abuse, rape, and molestation of their children were all lies invented by the ex-wife to separate him from their children. A male attorney simply could not say it, but only suggest it.
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  164. @Harry Baldwin
    A local public radio host spoke about wanting to have his teenage son watch Altman's "M*A*S*H" with him, because he remembered how hip, iconoclastic, and transgresssive he thought it was when he first saw it . However, watching it anew with his son, he was appalled by the blatant racism, misogyny, sexism, cis-genderism, transphobia, etc, and couldn't believe he once enjoyed it.

    So it goes...

    I don’t remember any transgenderism in the movie. It was the TV show that had the cross dresser.

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    Speak of the devil, RIP Jamie Farr at 83.
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  165. @ScarletNumber
    A man should always have a woman divorce attorney. There are certain things a woman can get away with that a man never could, plus only a woman can truly know what another woman is capable of.

    Only a woman attorney could be taken seriously when she argues in open court that an ex-wife’s allegations of abuse, rape, and molestation of their children were all lies invented by the ex-wife to separate him from their children. A male attorney simply could not say it, but only suggest it.

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  166. @J.Ross
    Germanics cannot feel that they are alone in something so they will involuntarily talk up numbers (here Swedes are much worse than Germans, Bavarians are better than Berliners, and Austrians are almost free of this tendency: it seems to be geographically tied), but he is probably correct in spirit as far as a clear majority.
    There was a German youth court judge who tried to talk about what she was seeing every day. Decent people predictably compared her to, or declared her to be, that other sort of German. After enduring that for a while she killed herself. The media denies this vociferously, I forget if they claim it was random death or just suicide without a clear motive, but there's no denying the pressure she was under.

    a German youth court judge

    Kirsten Heisig

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  167. @dr kill
    Is it fair to say that your favorite tales (parables) begin with 'Once upon a time' and end with 'They all lived H A E'?
    In real life no one ever pays.

    In real life no one ever pays.

    And they often end up on top.

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  168. Media also complained that the white Edgar Valdez Villarreal was set to be played by Charlie Hunnam. Granted, Hunnam is British and doesn’t look like Villarreal, but the article complained that he should not be played by his because he was White.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/01/charlie-hunnam-whitewashing-edgar-valdez-villareal

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  169. @whorefinder
    James Spader as Ultron was a very good move, but he really should have a Hannibal Lector-type big screen criminal to his name. He just exudes creepiness and malevolence and morality-doesn't-matter, as his turn in Boston Legal showed.

    I could actually see Spader pulling off something impossible, like playing a man who's racist and kicks dogs and beats his innocent wife and yet still maintaining audience and critical sympathy.

    He’s actually played a fair number of psychopaths. His character in The Blacklist is one, Less Than Zero was another. More than a few people have commented that he and Rob Lowe could have switched roles in Bad Influence and the movie would have worked just as well, if not better.

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    He's played psychopaths, but those who follow a "code", which always makes them palatable.

    I'm talking about Spader playing a guy who kicks dogs, beats his wife, acts "racist", and does all sorts of taboo things on screen----and still manages to elicit sympathy. Spader gives off such a perverted, evil vibe he could, I think, plausibly pull it off.

    Cannibalism and murdering people out of hand really aren't going to make you hated as a character these days. Silence of the Lambs and its copycats created that.
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  170. @Ivy
    Actors who are not yet household names may be glad for any role. They may hope for the day or even hour when they will be able to exercise more discretion rather than just accepting gratefully that big or small break, or the rent-paying gig. ("You're an actor? Which restaurant?"). Add in the impact or potentially malign influence of those colorful characters we've read about recently and see how many promising careers could be boosted or blown in ways not previously evident to the average movie viewer.

    (“You’re an actor? Which restaurant?”)

    I heard this story years ago. It might be apocryphal.

    A dinner-theater company decided to add an audience-participation component to its performance. The patrons were not told that they were about to become part of the show.

    During the meal, an actor dressed like a jewelry thief burst into the dining room, brandishing a gun, and screamed at the unsuspecting diners: “Everyone on the floor! Down on the ground! Now!”

    (The idea was that the thief would “steal” an expensive necklace from one of the diners – an undercover actor – and then the patrons would assist the “detective” in solving the crime.)

    One of the elderly diners slumped to the floor, clutching his chest, while his wife started screaming that he was having a heart attack. (Supposedly it was merely a panic attack.) The actor immediately dropped the gun and crouched down to help the old man, but before he could explain what was going on, one of the other patrons smashed a plate over his head. After being kicked multiple times, he ended having to go to the hospital.

    Needless to say, some of the patrons filed lawsuits, and the company went out of business.

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  171. Coming attraction! See the trailer:

    Nuremberg Laws 2. Racial Classification Board. White actors may appear only in gorilla suits. Must wear white sleeve patch in public.

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  172. @Kylie
    Yes. No. You recommend it?

    It’s not bad but not necessary, it’s kind of similar as a very intelligent and specifically focused independent film. Better than anything in theatres.

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  173. @Svigor

    It’s amazing how far Sam Rockwell’s career has come since playing Guy Fleegman in Galaxy Quest.
     
    Thanks for mentioning that. For some reason I had placed Rockwell as the Franken-faced FBI guy from Boardwalk Empire. He's who seems to be a big cuck, I know nothing about Rockwell's politics. You could tell he was gonna be really good from his turn in Galaxy Quest. He showed real acting chops, and real comedic chops. He reminds me a bit of Bob Odenkirk, he's great at the sleazy manipulative gladhander.

    He was also great in Matchstick Men and a recent blind item at CDAN has him pegged as one of the nicest guys in Hollywood (he and his wife did something extraordinarily nice and cool at the Golden Globes). So in my book, he’s one of the good guys.

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  174. @whorefinder
    Female divorce attorneys sometimes specialize in representing men in divorce custody battles. Those who do ---that is, those women whose job it is is to tear another woman to pieces and a hussy and golddigger and such on the stand----are often the nastiest of all lawyers, and that's saying something, since divorce law itself attracts basically people for whom Hollywood entertainment law and/or slip-and-fall law suits aren''t sociopathic enough.

    When Paul McCartney divorced his peg-leg golddigger porn star second wife (the won he hooked up with less than a year after his long-term first wife's body was cold), he hired a female divorce attorney who tore his second wife to shreds and reduced her divorce share to about 1/10th of what she could have gotten if she'd settled with Paul at the beginning of the divorce.

    The second wife and Paul's divorce attorney hated each other so much that, at the final court hearing, the second wife took a carafe of water off the court room table and, in front of the judge, dumped it not on Paul, but on Paul's divorce lawyer (who emerged from court with wet hair as a result).

    That's a new level of how much women can hate other women.

    incredible comment, thanks.

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  175. @Harry Baldwin
    "The Wire" is one of the best-written and most realistic things I've ever seen. Not only better than almost any television series, but better than almost any movie. And you know what? At the end of it, a fair number of the bad guys got away without consequences. That's part of what made the show feel real.

    Lance Riddick was great in The Wire. He is also good in the Amazon series Bosch, which I have been bingeing on lately, thanks to an iSteve recommendation.

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  176. @Rosamond Vincy
    He's actually played a fair number of psychopaths. His character in The Blacklist is one, Less Than Zero was another. More than a few people have commented that he and Rob Lowe could have switched roles in Bad Influence and the movie would have worked just as well, if not better.

    He’s played psychopaths, but those who follow a “code”, which always makes them palatable.

    I’m talking about Spader playing a guy who kicks dogs, beats his wife, acts “racist”, and does all sorts of taboo things on screen—-and still manages to elicit sympathy. Spader gives off such a perverted, evil vibe he could, I think, plausibly pull it off.

    Cannibalism and murdering people out of hand really aren’t going to make you hated as a character these days. Silence of the Lambs and its copycats created that.

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    "Secretary" is sort of close to that, perhaps the closest we'll see: a successful, mostly heteronormative white male lawyer literally dominating his pretty younger female assistant.
    The set design in that movie was so amazingly good it made me despair of ever not living in hovels.
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  177. @stillCARealist
    The homos haven't lost cache so much as they've been upstaged by the trannies. "hey, you thought you were so transgressive! Well, lookee here, we've got mental illness on you by a mile."

    IOW, they've been out-crazied. They're still sacrosanct according to the received wisdom. My son's professor at the JC explicitly told the students to never assume somebody's heterosexual. No talking about marriage as though it's a male/female endeavor!

    while I'm at it, I was just at kid's class put on by the local vector control. Lots of info about mosquitoes and their characteristics. There was no nonsense about "gender". It was male and female he created them, and nothing in between. Very refreshing.

    The homos haven’t lost cache so much as they’ve been upstaged by the trannies.

    Agreed. Homosexuals are still close to the top of the victim rankings. Trannies are now at the very top. But homosexuals still outrank black men and white women.

    On the other hand a black homosexual man has lots of victim status. I could see Disney going for that. Especially with the crazy SJWs who seem to be in charge of their Star Wars franchise.

    Commercially it would be dumb since Asian markets would hate it. But SJWs don’t care about that and Disney doesn’t care about that. Those racist homophobic Chinese have to be taught to think exactly like American SJWs.

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  178. @whorefinder
    He's played psychopaths, but those who follow a "code", which always makes them palatable.

    I'm talking about Spader playing a guy who kicks dogs, beats his wife, acts "racist", and does all sorts of taboo things on screen----and still manages to elicit sympathy. Spader gives off such a perverted, evil vibe he could, I think, plausibly pull it off.

    Cannibalism and murdering people out of hand really aren't going to make you hated as a character these days. Silence of the Lambs and its copycats created that.

    “Secretary” is sort of close to that, perhaps the closest we’ll see: a successful, mostly heteronormative white male lawyer literally dominating his pretty younger female assistant.
    The set design in that movie was so amazingly good it made me despair of ever not living in hovels.

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    a successful, mostly heteronormative white male lawyer literally dominating his pretty younger female assistant
     
    Spader plays an insecure, afraid-of-women man who the secretary coaxes into the role of dominating her all the time, literally taking a three day hunger strike to force him to do it to her. While he occasionally flashes into a dominating mode, he's quite shy and respectful and afraid to do it most of the time till she gives him permission. Not anything close to a psychopath or a bad guy.

    And Sad Turtle isn't that pretty, just young with a good body. Maggie Gyllenall is aging into Fifth Business.

    I will say Spader played that role well and was well cast; he did the conflicted-pervert routine later throughout Boston Legal. Maggie G. did her job good as well, as she went from suicidal and slow and unconfident to confident and sharper and happy. One of the stories about the film is that the producers wanted her to ultimately choose the nerdy boyfriend over Spader, and the director fought against it very hard, which I believe was the correct choice.

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  179. @J.Ross
    "Secretary" is sort of close to that, perhaps the closest we'll see: a successful, mostly heteronormative white male lawyer literally dominating his pretty younger female assistant.
    The set design in that movie was so amazingly good it made me despair of ever not living in hovels.

    a successful, mostly heteronormative white male lawyer literally dominating his pretty younger female assistant

    Spader plays an insecure, afraid-of-women man who the secretary coaxes into the role of dominating her all the time, literally taking a three day hunger strike to force him to do it to her. While he occasionally flashes into a dominating mode, he’s quite shy and respectful and afraid to do it most of the time till she gives him permission. Not anything close to a psychopath or a bad guy.

    And Sad Turtle isn’t that pretty, just young with a good body. Maggie Gyllenall is aging into Fifth Business.

    I will say Spader played that role well and was well cast; he did the conflicted-pervert routine later throughout Boston Legal. Maggie G. did her job good as well, as she went from suicidal and slow and unconfident to confident and sharper and happy. One of the stories about the film is that the producers wanted her to ultimately choose the nerdy boyfriend over Spader, and the director fought against it very hard, which I believe was the correct choice.

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  180. @ScarletNumber
    I don't remember any transgenderism in the movie. It was the TV show that had the cross dresser.

    Speak of the devil, RIP Jamie Farr at 83.

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    Whoops, I fell for an internet hoax. Farr is still alive.
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  181. @ScarletNumber
    Speak of the devil, RIP Jamie Farr at 83.

    Whoops, I fell for an internet hoax. Farr is still alive.

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  182. And Sad Turtle isn’t that pretty, just young with a good body. Maggie Gyllenall is aging into Fifth Business.

    I did a spit-take every time the joker talked about how pretty she was in that Batman flick. AFAICT she’s sub-par for screen actresses, never mind leading ladies.

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