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From the New York Times:

Tulsi Gabbard’s White Pantsuit Isn’t Winning

The Democratic presidential candidate has made white the staple of debate night appearances. It leaves a chill.

By Vanessa Friedman
Nov. 21, 2019, 8:07 a.m. ET

What has happened to the white pantsuit? Watching the Democratic debate held in Atlanta on Wednesday night, it was one of the questions that stuck with me. It’s not as important as Medicare for All, obviously, or economic disparity. But given the role white pantsuits have played in the national conversation for the last three years, it’s not immaterial. (No pun intended.)

It was only a mere presidential election cycle ago, after all, that the white suit was thrust into the limelight as a symbol of so much: women’s advancement and opportunity, and the possibility of change. That it became not an item of clothing but a placeholder in a continuum that began with the suffragists, continued through Geraldine Ferraro, and resonated today. That it sparked mountains of text and tweets and entire Facebook groups dedicated to celebrating its meaning and urging adoption — and then designating it the outfit of the opposition.

That Hillary Clinton made it a cause célèbre, #WearWhiteToVote made it a hashtag, Melania Trump made it a pointed subject of speculation, and the women of the 116th Congress made it a gauntlet. …

Now Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, underdog presidential candidate, has, by all indications, made it her uniform. And yet no one really seems to care.

Wednesday evening marked the third time Ms. Gabbard appeared in a white pantsuit during a debate.

But it most probably also has to do with the fact that Ms. Gabbard herself doesn’t seem particularly interested in connecting with the suffragists, but rather is using her white suits to tap into another tradition, latent in the public memory: the mythical white knight, riding in to save us all from yet another “regime change war.”

Her white suits are not the white suits of Ms. Clinton, nor even the white of Ms. Williamson, whose early appearances in the shade often seemed tied to her wellness gospel and ideas of renewal and rebirth. Rather, they are the white of avenging angels and flaming swords, of somewhat combative righteousness (also cult leaders). And that kind of association, though it can be weirdly compelling, is also not really community building. It sets someone apart, rather than joining others together. It has connotations of the fringe, rather than the center.

Vanessa Friedman is The Times’s fashion director and chief fashion critic. She was previously the fashion editor of the Financial Times. @VVFriedman

In contrast, I would guess that Rep. Gabbard wears white frequently to show off her dark complexion to remind Democrats that she isn’t wholly white.

 
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  1. What’s with putting “(No pun intended)” in an editorial piece? People say that when speaking extemporaneously, as they may have inadvertently made a pun, but what is the purpose in a piece of writing? Is it to say, “Hey look–I made a pun!” or is it to apologize for the possible distraction of a pun, in which case one could go back and change the offending word? I find it cutesy.

  2. black sea says:

    One hopes that the editors of the New York Times have a sense of humor about their own journalistic content. It would be a shame for the entertainment value to be lost on those who have to spend their days laboring over this sort of thing.

  3. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    What has happened to the white pantsuit? But given the role white pantsuits have played in the national conversation for the last three years, it’s not immaterial. (No pun intended.)

    … the white suit… Geraldine Ferraro…, outfit of the opposition…And yet no one really seems to care…. third time Ms. Gabbard appeared in a white pantsuit during a debate… using her white suits to tap into another tradition…Her white suits are not the white suits of Ms. Clinton…the white of avenging angels and flaming swords, of somewhat combative righteousness (also cult leaders).

  4. I thought the Party Line was that talking about female politicians’ looks and clothing was sexist. In any event, Gabbard usually wears red, which is a better color for her.

  5. • LOL: Tusk, silviosilver
  6. Neoconned says:

    I know Steve’s “most important graph in the world” but what is the “2nd most important graph” some commenters on here talk about?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  7. Tusk says:

    Her white suits are not the white suits of Ms. Clinton, nor even the white of Ms. Williamson, whose early appearances in the shade often seemed tied to her wellness gospel and ideas of renewal and rebirth. Rather, they are the white of avenging angels and flaming swords, of somewhat combative righteousness (also cult leaders)

    To me it is interesting that a viewer is able to understand the ‘meaning’ behind a colour when someone wears it. This seems to me akin to mind reading. Whereas Clinton was good because that was her intention obviously, Gabbard is evil because that is her intention obviously. Are we going to ever move past this stage of journalism where everyone is imagining the inside of peoples minds to understand their intent? Seems to me this is what happens when too many punters have studied English at University in that they must read into everything.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mr McKenna
  8. indocon says:

    (((Vanessa Friedman))) and her ilk are going to take this whole country down with them.

    I wonder what these people really think on inside? Can they be that oblivious to comprehending the reactions to their actions? My choice is among the following-
    -They really are too smart to not comprehend the reaction of their actions
    -They really don’t think deplorable are capable of another French Revolution, which allows them to march on
    -They are confident of making US look like CA (and Latin America following that) soon, which will give them permanent power

  9. nebulafox says:

    Are they sure they want to advance this argument? Half the electorate would require the fashion equivalent to a punch right on the nose (nakedness, “KILL X” T-Shirt, etc) to pay attention to clothes in the first place, 30% more are sane enough to not base their vote on clothes.

    18% of the remainder probably can’t resist the most masculine, dominant presence on the stage in any event, which Gabbard can lay a serious claim to being, considering that many of her male rivals are geriatrics or practical eunuchs.

    What does that leave, the adult equivalent to the Heathers gossiping on the fringes of the popular kid table?

    >But it most probably also has to do with the fact that Ms. Gabbard herself doesn’t seem particularly interested in connecting with the suffragists, but rather is using her white suits to tap into another tradition, latent in the public memory: the mythical white knight, riding in to save us all from yet another “regime change war.”

    Save us from the neocon/MI complex dragon, white knight! Your predecessor made the grievous mistake of trying to keep it as a pet!

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  10. Neoconned says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I love Glenn. 1 of the few journalists left willing to call “bull” when he sees it.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  11. The difference is that Gabbard looks good in it.

    While certain others look like Picasso’s Pierrot

  12. Tusk says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Hillary had the whole “Kim Jong-Un” look going for her. Probably not for the best.

    • LOL: Thea
  13. Anonymous[792] • Disclaimer says:

    Rationed. Looks like about 99% disagreement on twitter. Tulsi will fundraise and campaign off of this article. Thanks Vanessa!

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
  14. In contrast, I would guess that Rep. Gabbard wears white frequently to show off her dark complexion to remind Democrats that she isn’t wholly white.

    In further contrast (hey I just got that pun), I would guess Rep. Gabbard wears white in order to show off a pretty decent ass. I wouldn’t know, honestly.

    Just that point of mine, along with the fact that the press finds it important what these candidates wear, are very good reasons for keeping women completely out of all politics higher than library board. At least, these debates should be held on radio again, or better yet, via nothing but tweets.

  15. Anon[681] • Disclaimer says:

    Another ridiculous hit piece, from a people steeped in the Culture of Critique. Of course they don’t like her to “stand apart”. How dare her criticize the “regime change” wars. Look to Mayor Buttplug and learn! Of course your “brothers and sisters” are upset at Trump, they want to stay in Syria and fight alongside their Kurdish “brothers in arm”! Mayor Buttplug knows who butters his toast.

    Snot nose Buttplug is the epitome of the Harvard douche bag. The last thing we need is another Kool Aid drinking establishment weasel on that stage, in a white pants suit. Go Tulsi!

    • Replies: @Russ
  16. black sea says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It don’t matter what you wear
    They’re checking out your savior faire
    And it don’t matter what you do
    ‘Cause everything looks good on you!

    RuPaul — Supermodel

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  17. Hail says: • Website

    Vanessa Friedman is The Times’s fashion director and chief fashion critic. She was previously the fashion editor of the Financial Times

    Vanessa Friedman

    – born Dec. 1968 to wealthy parents Frederica Schwab (b.1939, New York; BA, Vassar; MA, Columbia SIPA; formerly “vice president and an associate publisher at Little, Brown & Company, the book publisher in New York”) and Stephen J. Friedman (b.1938; BA, Princeton ’59; JD, Harvard ’62; “a senior partner in Debevoise & Plimpton, the New York law firm” to 2004; later Dean [from 2004] and President of Pace University [2007-2017]) — the father is not to be confused with another Jewish New York-origin Stephen J. Friedman (b.1937), Chair of the President’s Intelligence Advisory Board 2005-2009, whose son David co-created Game of Thrones;

    ca. 1985: Vanessa graduates from prestigious Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire;

    1989: graduates with a BA from Princeton, her father’s alma mater; major: History, minor in European Cultural Studies and Creative Writing; Vanessa on her time at Princeton:

    I wrote a historical novel for my thesis, which, I don’t know how I got away with that honestly. [laughs]

    – marries June 1996 J. David Stewart of Toronto, Canada (born ca. 1964; also a BA at Princeton; MA, East Asian Studies, Univ. of Toronto); her new husband was/is an investment banker whose father owned a financial management company in Toronto; the wedding was officiated by Rabbi Joel S. Goor at the University Club in New York City;

    April 1998: Vanessas is first published in the New Yorker (age 29);

    – ca. 1998?: Moves to London; In her own words:

    my husband worked at JP Morgan and they said to him, “Would you like to go to London for two years?” …we had no kids and no apartment, and were like, “Yeah, we’ll go for a little bit, it’ll be fun!” And we stayed for 12. [laughs]

    2000: Has first child in London; “I decided I needed a full-time job again because I needed to control my time;”

    2000 to 2002: serves as fashion features director for InStyle UK;

    2002: Has second child;

    2003: appointed the inaugural fashion editor of the Financial Times;

    – By or before 2010, returns to her native New York City;

    Early 2010s: her years of hard work in London finally paying off, Vanessa receives the Front Page Award for fashion writing (2012) and Fashion Monitor Journalist of the Year award (2013).

    March 2014: named the fashion director and chief fashion critic for The New York Times;

  18. BenKenobi says:

    I would guess that Rep. Gabbard wears white frequently to show off her dark complexion

    “The tan is gonna make the white in the outfit pop, the white makes the tan pop.”
    – Dee Reynolds

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
  19. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:

    Tulsi is a hot milf. (Maybe a childless milf but she probably has a dog or cat.) Her wiki page has hot photos. She is photogenic as hell. Sorry to learn she’s married to some guy named Abraham Williams.

    Too bad she is politically incoherent. She is anti-interventionist like Ron Flipping Paul but the ideology behind that position doesn’t apply to anything else? It doesn’t compute to have so much distrust in the State but only on a single issue.

    But she is eye candy on the stage and she has a good vocal delivery also that is businesslike without being annoying like Doomberg. Can’t blame frumpy boring Klobuchar for giving Tulsi the “You’re making me feel so ugly” scowl…

    • Replies: @Hail
  20. @Harry Baldwin

    “I find it cutesy.”

    You’re acting like good English prose style still exists in a public context. Nope mon, nada bing nada boom, Ya hafts ta go snooping around underground fo de real China white dese daze, mon. Organs like NYT or WaPo or Slate or HuffPo do not generate good English, they generate some kind of maggot/worm slurry designed to get the NPCs up from their pods and out to their yoga or pilates classes, then to their fair-trade coffee barns, then to their cubicles and back again, all the time with CNN and MSNBC and ESPN telling them how America now consists of wealthy exurban Black computer geniuses giving each other a Lexus for Christmas or something.

    Good English prose style expired some time around the death of Oscar Wilde. If you want the opposite of cutesy, go read something like “Arms and the Man” or “How He Lied To Her Husband.”

    “When I want to know the news, I read Byron” — Frank O’Hara

  21. @black sea

    It just hit me: What probably bothers Ms. Friedman is how good Tulsi looks in those white suits. As a regular iSteve reader, I should have realized this sooner. There is probably a Sailer Law about it.

    • Agree: Dumbo
    • Replies: @byrresheim
  22. We need to eliminate the absence of color, once and for all.

  23. Nothing says Klan better than a brown lady wearing white after Labour Day.

  24. Beware White Fashion Cults.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    , @0dc
  25. I’m going to guess that Rep. Gabbard’s choice of white has something to do with her Hindu religious faith.

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Saraswati-always-shown-in-white

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_in_Hinduism

  26. The egregiousness of the white pantsuit after Labor Day! Lock her up! You’re not in Hawaii anymore, Tulsi. Better not be wearing red shoes either!

  27. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:

    Tulsi vs Nikki in 2024

    …maybe “Brawling” Bobby Jindal can get on one of these Hindu tickets.

    Fuck this. Immigrant spawn is dedicated globalist, neolib or neocon. These people will function as alien viceroys for the NWO. Just like installing the various alienated presidents in Europe.

    Too much immigration is absolute poison. The impeachment hearing witnesses are proving that our State Dept has been globalized! … which doesn’t make any sense whatsoever unless you’re a globalist grifter.

    Democrat jackass party is so far gone that there is no bizarre alien exotic mix that they won’t champion as MORE AMERICAN THAN YOU COULD EVER BE, BIGOT.

    Bring on our new Hindu overlords! I’m sure they’ll lead the country to a whole new level of greatness.

  28. The Issues we womxn should air:
    What Kamala does with her hair.
    Tulsi’s pantsuit: Why white?
    Warren’s makeup: Too slight?
    In the polling booth, what should one wear?

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Hail
  29. anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    White looks a lot better on brown and black women than colors, though it does accentuate how ugly Tulsi Gabbard is.

    • Troll: Ian Smith
    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
  30. AKAHorace says:

    This was a good start but does it go far enough ? What about her fascist choices in fingernail care ?

    The public has a right to know !

  31. Mr. Anon says:

    ……..the mythical white knight, riding in to save us all from yet another “regime change war.”

    “Regime change war” in quotes? Isn’t that what they are? At least ostensibly?

  32. Anon[604] • Disclaimer says:

    If you know anything about photography, white draws the eye. She’s doing it make herself stand out. Red also does the same thing.

    It’s a common leftist tactic to complain about a female politician’s clothes if they don’t like the candidate. Remember how the left complained about Sarah Palin’s clothes? I sure do. They went disgracefully bonkers.

    Basically, when a female columnist (I did not use the word reporter, you’ll notice) decides to complain about a politician’s clothes, it’s the equivalent of a black ghetto chick cracking her knuckles and diving for another black chick’s weave.

    It’s howl n’ hair pullin’ time.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @guest
  33. Anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    I was reading the excerpt in the post, and I thought, Robin Givhan is getting even crazier. Then I saw that the writer was Vanessa Friedman. That made sense.

    I have to say, Friedman’s deliciously dismissive put-down piece on the Apple Watch when it first appeared has earned her a place in my heart, but most of what she has written since is who-gives-a-shit terrible.

  34. Hail says: • Website
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    What Kamala does with her hair.

    Does she have naturally kinky hair?

  35. Anon[331] • Disclaimer says:

    The Issues we womxn should air:
    What Kamala does with her hair.
    Tulsi’s pantsuit: Why white?
    Warren’s makeup: Too slight?
    In the polling booth, what should one wear?

    Male issues:

    Nancy Pelosi, what a massive titrack! How far down are they hanging by now? Would she beat William Howard Taft’s bra size if she became president?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  36. @Hail

    Ms. Friedman, seen sharing a jest
    With She Who Would Learn from the West:
    The Umbilical Fairy
    In patchwork canary
    Ill-at-ease in the way she is dressed.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  37. Daniel H says:

    No doubt Vanessa Friedman is adheringn to some corollary to Sailer’s law on female journalism, but I can’t quite figure out what that corollary is. Probably something to do with the fact that Vanessa Friedman has concluded that she, herself, looks awful in white and this is driving her to distraction.

  38. Hail says: • Website

    I would guess that Rep. Gabbard wears white frequently to show off her dark complexion to remind Democrats that she isn’t wholly white

    Thanks to Dr. Skip Gates and his PBS team at Finding Your Roots, we actually have a public 23andMe for Tulsi Gabbard, which is neat.

    Tulsi is 5/16ths Pacific Islander, 10/16ths NW-European [Christian] (primarily colonial American and German ancestry), 1/16th other European-Christian, and 0/16ths Jewish.

    Her father is 5/8ths Pacific Islander and from him she appears to inherit her right-wing tendencies; it is her full-White-Christian mother from whom she inherits Hinduism (Hawaii…).

    (See also a full account of Tulsi’s Finding Your Roots segment [comm.-160] in a Jan. 2019 iSteve comment section.)

    • Replies: @Romanian
    , @Herbert West
  39. bclinton says:

    By leaps and bounds, she is the hottest presidential candidate in history. That’s an accomplishment in and of itself.

  40. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Ron Flipping Paul

    Ron Paul apparently tweeted a ‘Smash Cultural Marxism’ cartoon before being talked into deleting it:

    Are you stunned by what has become of American culture? Well, it’s not an accident. You’ve probably heard of “Cultural Marxism,” but do you know what it means? … [more]

    The day Tulsi uses the phrase “Cultural Marxism” and says “Are you stunned by what has become of American culture?” — that is the day she ascends to the pantheon of heroes.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  41. J1234 says:

    “Friedman”…now there’s a name right out of the blue, completely arbitrary and not relevant to anything.

  42. …Vanessa Friedman

    Lol. As the anti-semites say, every.single.time.

    Oh, for the days when I just wouldn’t have noticed.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  43. Anonymous[892] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, I hope Nikki Haley is on your radar. She is out with a book PR campaign now and she is doing exactly what Obama did. She is bitching about being teased and bullied as a minority growing up on the “mean streets” of some rotten 90% white affluent area. It’s a joke.

    Haley is another grievance monger who has lived an idyllic life in America like the nutcase thin skin CIA puppet Obama. And now America must pay for not being the perfect utopia for her resentlful alien ass.

    Nikki Haley is Trump’s damn fantasy candidate. Sad but true.

    God save us from estrogen fueled government.

  44. As Freud said, “Sometimes a white pantsuit is just a white pantsuit.”

  45. Now Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, underdog presidential candidate, has, by all indications, made it her uniform. And yet no one really seems to care.

    Don’t care didn’t care
    Don’t care was wild
    Don’t care stole plum and pear
    Like any beggar’s child.
    Don’t care was made to care
    Don’t care was hung
    Don’t care was put in a pot
    And boiled till he was done.

  46. anon[746] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    If you know anything about photography, white draws the eye. She’s doing it make herself stand out. Red also does the same thing.

  47. anon[746] • Disclaimer says:

    It was only a mere presidential election cycle ago, after all, that the white suit was thrust into the limelight as a symbol of so much:

    Absolutely. Especially when paired with the right automobile and guns.

  48. @BenKenobi

    Grobin likes his girls to pop.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  49. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Update: What was young Vanessa Friedman up to between her 1989 Princeton graduation and her June 1996 wedding to the Canadian investment banker?

    Vanessa Friedman on her writing career origins:

    [After graduation from Princeton in 1989,] I went to Paris and did an internship at a law firm there, and while I was doing that, I started moonlighting at a magazine called Paris Passion — which was not a porn magazine, it was a precursor of Time Out — and just kept going from there.

    [About 1990,] I was like, “What do I wanna do? Do I want to be a lawyer or do I want to do writing? Whither my life?” I came back to New York and I took the LSATs. Then I decided I could always go back to law school, but you are never a 40-year-old editorial assistant, so I should maybe try that first. I got a job at Grand Street; it was a literary magazine run by Jean Stein [1934-2017], at the time out of her house on West End, and my job was to go in, make the coffee and turn on the lights, and then she and her partner would come out in their bathrobes. [laughs]

    I did that for three months, then I went to Vanity Fair [in 1991?] and started working in magazines. I jumped around a lot. I mostly did culture, started writing at The New Yorker, where I went after Vanity Fair, with Tina Brown, and then went to Vogue as a contributing editor

    (From an interview with Vanessa Friedman by Tyler McCall, published in Fashionista, April 22, 2019)

    The New Yorker archives show us she was being published there as early as May 1993:

    https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/vanessa-friedman/page/2

    So she had her hand held a lot of the way; she got her start in publishing, seemingly while still 21 (she turned 22 in Dec. 1990), from someone named Jean Stein. Ethnic networking is real.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Mr McKenna
  50. jon says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thank you. This has always been a huge pet peeve of mine.

    You wrote something, then you noticed the pun, then you decided that, rather than remove the pun, you’ll just claim it was unintentional.

    Methinks some of these puns are intended after all.

  51. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tusk

    To me it is interesting that a viewer is able to understand the ‘meaning’ behind a colour when someone wears it. This seems to me akin to mind reading.

    Was a big to-do when Naomi Wolf delphically counseled Al Gore to wear more earth tones, back in 2000. At the time I took the coverage to be tut-tutting him (and, really, her) for superficiality — except it actually didn’t go as far as minimum-courage criticism away from right-wing quarters. This particular stupid anecdote of Beltway spin-world was, now that I remember it, mostly relayed as an ambiguous topic of interest, like they wanted to give cover to readers inclined to the same psychology/sorcery approach to life. My dating years furnished more than one example of an ostensibly normal chick who’d later confide she was clairvoyant, felt spirit connections to her great-grandmothers, etc.; this has to be a dirt-common American female trait.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  52. @Hail

    ‘… The day Tulsi uses the phrase “Cultural Marxism” and says “Are you stunned by what has become of American culture?” — that is the day she ascends to the pantheon of heroes…’

    You need to get real. Tulsi Gabbard is a fairly conventional liberal Democrat who opposes war.

    It’s just that against the backdrop of the current crop of loonies and willing servants of Israel, she looks pretty good.

    It’d be great to see her run against Trump. That would be an actual choice — even if not the one I’d like to make.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @SFG
    , @MBlanc46
  53. @Clifford Brown

    Another White Fashion Cult with Kenny G.

  54. @Anonymous

    Al wore a lot of 4 button suitcoats when he was running for President in 2000. I was going thru my old coats to clear out of my closet and found a 4 button suit. It hasn’t come back in fashion yet.

  55. El Dato says:

    Tulsi expertly detected as Putin’s most likely candidate by experts:

    Who does Putin want in the White House in 2020? ‘Experts’ suggest reading RT to find out

    Watts, for the uninitiated, is one of the most prolific media charlatans when it comes to fake Russian expertise – and one of the developers behind the ‘Hamilton 68’ dashboard ‘tracking’ Russian influence campaigns online. Launched with much fanfare in 2017, Hamilton 68’s popularity soon fizzled out as even the most ardent Russia critics admitted that media coverage of bot influence was “totally overblown.”

    Now Watts is back with a new approach to “deciphering where, why, how and for whom” Russia might interfere in 2020. This time, he wants you to read RT and Sputnik – and to get you started, he and his team at the Boeing-funded Foreign Policy Research Institute (FPRI) have analyzed 1,711 articles so you don’t have to.

    In the wattswork:

    Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard is the overwhelming favorite of Kremlin news outlets

    Since January 1, 2019, Gabbard has been mentioned 61 times, ranking sixth in total mentions just behind O’Rourke.

    Gabbard is the only candidate assessed to receive more positive mentions (28) than negative mentions (6), and more positive mentions (28) than neutral mentions (27).

    It’s practically Columbo.

  56. El Dato says:
    @black sea

    That’s like wishing that a coven of NuWitches smirk a bit when throwing hexes.

  57. OT- I had the exact same thought as Patton Oswalt on Trump’s Note.

    Not a bad Morrissey song…

  58. I’m surprised no one has mentioned:

    In any case, it’s because of things like this that they gang up on her, not her suits:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  59. In contrast, I would guess that Rep. Gabbard wears white frequently to show off her dark complexion to remind Democrats that she isn’t wholly white.

    Watch– they’ll interpret it as a flag of surrender.

    the mythical white knight, riding in to save us all from yet another “regime change war.”

    Well, speaking of suffragists, Emmeline Pankhurst had three daughters. She and one of them dropped what they were doing on that front to support the war effort– by handing out white feathers! You could forgive the teenage lasses duped into doing so– many later apologized. But the Pankhursts were old enough to know better.

    Another daughter was horrified. She was a pacifist, and wouldn’t talk to them for awhile. Her Stateside counterpart was Jeannette Rankin who, representing Montana in Congress, voted against entry in both world wars.

    The sisters were born in Old Trafford; one died in Santa Monica, the other in Addis Ababa. The whole family was nuts, but at least one had principles.

    Kind of like these Democrats.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @Joe Stalin
  60. @black sea

    The Party ™ does not allow self-mockery, comrade. Attempted humor is reserved for Dirt People and their elected representatives.

  61. @Harry Baldwin

    Is it to say, “Hey look–I made a pun!”

    It is of course exactly this; it’s a symptom of the precious self-absorption of nearly all so-called journalists nowadays. The precious slang, the winking coinages, the sarcasm and snark – it’s all more important to them than the subject. It’s why reporting and opinions both lack any gravitas, structured argument, or logic, but instead are entirely reduced to “Aren’t I clever and hip?”

    Cf. “Let’s Talk About My Hair!,” etc.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Hail
  62. @Clifford Brown

    The NYT struggles mightily to apply the KKKrazyGlue to the Dem coalition.

    Even for a Partei-member, such cognitive dissonance and lack of self-awareness must be painful.

  63. Dumbo says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    But what is the pun? I can’t see any here. Immaterial – a material? Lame. I think this “no pun intended” stuff is just bad writing. Either you intend it or you don’t.

    But given the role white pantsuits have played in the national conversation for the last three years, it’s not immaterial. (No pun intended.)

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  64. Vanessa Friedman, googly eyed shrew:

    Tha fizz don’t lie.

  65. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    The real reason Tulsi grates on Vanessa and, presumably, her readers: Tulsi has a unique combo of being pretty, young (for a POTUS candidate), and not being strident. It makes the rest of them look worse in contrast.

  66. RobUK says:

    Remarkable, not simply the sheer trivia of it but also the absolute hypocrisy shown by her previous article on Clinton. This person clearly has a low embarrassment threshold.

  67. @Dave Pinsen

    ‘The real reason Tulsi grates on Vanessa and, presumably, her readers: Tulsi has a unique combo of being pretty, young (for a POTUS candidate), and not being strident. ‘

    She doesn’t grate at all. The problem is that she’s manifestly unwilling to fight the wars Israel expects the US to fight.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
  68. @Reg Cæsar

    For a while, when I was six, I lived in Addis Ababa and from my dining room window, I could see the cathedral in which Emmeline Pankhurst’s daughter, Sylvia, had been buried in, just four years earlier. She’s a great figure to the Ethiopians, because she actively supported Haile Selassie against Mussolini. Abyssinia had defeated the Italians in 1896 at the Battle of Adowa (now Adwa) and Mussolini was determined to avenge the humiliation.

    The Ethiopians bury their war dead at Addis Ababa’s Holy Trinity Cathedral, and in 1964, they had a big contingent serve as front-line UN troops in the Congolese conflict. There were often impressive military funerals that went up the hill, past our apartment, to the church.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  69. El Dato says:

    Remember “Crying in White” (helpfully via Snopes: Does an Image Show Ocasio-Cortez Fake-Crying at a Migrant Camp?: FALSE: “It was just a genuine, found moment,” he said. “If we [the news media] weren’t there she still would have broken down, I think. She could see the entrance to the camps out in the distance.”.

    “The camps. People get in, but nobody ever gets out. Ever!”

    https://twitter.com/i_p_a_1/status/1143361683710193665/photo/1

  70. @Cagey Beast

    Joan Greenwood.

    She’s good in “The Man in the White Suit,” but she’s legendary in “Kind Hearts and Coronets” and “The Importance of Being Earnest.”

    • Replies: @syonredux
  71. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Hail

    More like ethnic networking “Israel”, amirite?

    Seriously though, this is more like class networking (of which ethnicity is a component). It’s not like Jean Stein would have given Half Sigma/LOTB an internship.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  72. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Vanessa Friedman has the New York City elite publishing/white shoe law firm parents, has the Princeton degree, got the easy entree into the elite world of New York Times journalism, snagged an investment banker husband, and enjoyed the expatriate lifestyle in fashionable London.

    I’m guessing that Tulsi Gabbard, that déclassé mixed-white nobody from equally déclassé Hawaii, with the plebian military career, must have something Friedman can never have.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    , @guest
    , @Anonymous
  73. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    In the late ‘90s, I worked with a guy who wore 4 and even 5 button suits. His wife worked for Ralph Lauren. Maybe he got the experimental stuff?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  74. 0dc says: • Website
    @Clifford Brown

    “knights” in white satin?

  75. @Dave Pinsen

    If you wear a suit with too many buttons, people start expecting you to carry their luggage for them.

    • LOL: Daniel H
  76. @indocon

    “Can they be that oblivious to comprehending the reactions to their actions?”

    When you effectively control the megaphone (see what happens to UK media people like Katie Hopkins who go off-message) it’s amazing what you can get away with. Which is why Jeremy Corbyn is low in the polls, because of a non stop media barrage. The UK public don’t notice the ethnicity of most of the “barragers”.

  77. @MikeatMikedotMike

    She could be a poster child for Michael Woodley’s Spiteful Mutant hypothesis.

  78. SFG says:
    @indocon

    Closest to #3, I’d guess.

    I think it’s more likely the GOP will find some way to exploit the religious leanings of Latinos. I’ve lived through so many cases of ‘this party is dead 4 EVER’ only to hear it about the other side 2-6 years later.

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
  79. SFG says:
    @Colin Wright

    Pretty much. It’s more a ‘bygone-variety-of-Democrat’ thing than an ‘alt-right’ thing, the bygone-variety being the antimilitarist (not so much pacifist in her case).

    The thing is, with the all the realignments, you’re sometimes going to see positions from disparate sides overlap, especially as not everyone adopts the new values of their side right away. You see similar stuff with a lot of the old-school freedom-of-speech liberals joining the left end of the ‘Intellectual Dark Web’ (look at, say, Areo, which is a liberal-but-not-progressive version of Quillette.)

    Remember when the left was for free speech and the right was for free trade? Remember when the left was against war? ‘Memba?

  80. @Tusk

    Are we going to ever move past this stage of journalism where everyone is imagining the inside of peoples minds to understand their intent?

    But we’ve only just arrived..

    • LOL: sayless
  81. @Hail

    By this point it’s definitely fair to conclude that Princeton is very much the co-equal of Harvard and Yale when it comes to the ‘Tribal’ Ascendancy. In case there was any doubt, that is.

    This also explains why legacy admissions preferences haven’t been abolished.

    • Replies: @Hail
  82. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Bow down before your Mistress, Mike Dot Mike!

    PS: Those are beady eyes, not googly. I think.

  83. black sea says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Yow . . . fashion can only paper over so many cracks.

    Let’s hope Hubby has a low T-count, a busy schedule, and poor eyesight.

  84. dearieme says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I was going thru my old coats to clear out of my closet

    Oh dear, middle-aged spread?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  85. @Tusk

    I told my mother I wasn’t surprised Trump won. Hillary dressed like Dr. Evil.

  86. @SFG

    Hispanic religious feelings? Hmm society is becoming ever more secular. I think what motivates Hispanics consist mostly of material benefits from redistributive programs such as income supports , affirmative action etc

    many Hispanics really believe that the US -Mexico border is a totally artificial and unjust one and immigration should not be limited.

    Can Republicans get Hispanics vote ? They would have to engage in W43 level of pandering, but they know that the Dems will match any Republican bid.
    In addition the core of Republican party is developing a White identity and they will stay at home if Karl Rove types just ignore YT and go in search of the “conservative “ Hispanic

    • Replies: @indocon
  87. Romanian says: • Website
    @Hail

    How trustworthy is that data. I got my 23andme test done a few months ago, and they have already changed every estimate regarding the marginal bits of DNA. I log in to take some screenshots and they said they had new data and they had recalculated my scores. Gone was the 0.2% South Asian on which I was staking my future political career as a minority politician. I had become 1% West Asian and North African, 3.5% Eastern European (the Eastern Slavs) and the other percentages I had were rejiggered. This was a few days ago. Still shaking and sobbing.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  88. @Hail

    What’s the over under on how many underage supermodels she’s facilitated the meeting of with Wall Street scumbags?

  89. Tulip says:

    Interesting that the NYT’s fixates on the attire of a female candidate rather than offer any substantive comments on Gabbard’s policies, and then engages in what amounts to paranoid free association. Why does anyone take them seriously as anything other than a national propaganda outlet.

  90. The article reads like something that should have been said from a shrink’s couch not the pages of the “country’s leading newspaper.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  91. ic1000 says:

    It’s okay to wear white.

  92. Thea says:
    @indocon

    I also don’t think a revolution is possible. A plutocracy is quite different from an aristocracy and tptb have kept the public pretty well divided.

    I’m afraid number three is where we are headed unless they run out of Latin Americans eager to come here somehow.

  93. Hail says: • Website
    @Romanian

    I’ve also noticed the minor percentages change, every few months, in my two years or so on 23andMe. They’ve tended to get more accurate (in line with paper genealogy) for me.

    The lesson is not to put a lot of trust in the very low-% results (e.g., Elizabeth Warren’s 0.3%-0.4% Amerind result), but that should already be obvious.

    As for Tulsi, this advice means, Don’t go around claiming mainland NE Asian ancestry despite that 1.1% Broadly East Asian. We don’t know what that 1.1% result means. It could just be how their algorithm circa mid-late 2018 read the Samoan ancestry, assigning a portion to Broadly East Asian.

    (One thing that disappoints me about 23andMe’s presentation is they still, as yet, won’t make a % Neanderthal estimate, just some scale on which you you rank in Neanderthal admixture “against other 23andMe customers.”)

    • Replies: @Romanian
  94. NOTA says:
    @indocon

    I dunno, usually things are more or less as they appear. Friedman probably isn’t some genius carrying out a nefarious plot to dumb down discourse. Instead, she’s yet another elite who has been promoted far beyond her abilities. This sort of fluff is all she’s got to offer.

    Almost nobody is really playing eleven-dimensional chess. Mostly, their decisions look dumb either because they’re responding to incentives other than doing smart things, or because of honest inability.

    It’s probably both in this case. The NYT has been gunning for Gabbard for awhile now, perhaps because she’s Not One Of Us, perhaps because they’re scared of seeing a serious antiwar voice arise anywhere.

  95. @El Dato

    Watts, for the uninitiated, is one of the most prolific media charlatans when it comes to fake Russian expertise – and one of the developers behind the ‘Hamilton 68’ dashboard ‘tracking’ Russian influence campaigns online.

    And Hamilton 68 is about as fake as “Russian expertise” can get.

  96. NOTA says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I believe the usual term used here is “born on third base and thinks she hit a triple.”

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  97. @Romanian

    How about all those Romanians to your northeast who think they are something called “Moldovan”?

    I know a doctor whose mother-in-law is a proud Romanian. He told me she had a DNA test done and the results came back mostly Greek. He laughed and said she was devastated.

    You live in a complicated part of the world, my friend. I will be there for Christmas.

    • Replies: @Romanian
  98. WJ says:

    A person name Friedman mocking Gabbard for wanting to end “regime change wars”. Color me surprised.

  99. Romanian says: • Website
    @Hail

    You are right, of course. But these things are fundamentally uncertain, unless you are from some particular group. For most people’s purposes, a simple identity (French) suffices, and they get thrown off balance by these complex estimates which do not necessarily represent some tortured or exotic family tree, as opposed to the vagaries of genetics. How much fake African-American ancestry do you have? 😀 I heard that was a thing.

    • Replies: @sayless
    , @Hail
  100. Mr. Anon says:
    @Colin Wright

    EST – Eastern Standard Time

  101. Anon[497] • Disclaimer says:

    All I have to say is that any pantsuit worn by Tulsi… is one lucky pantsuit!

    When Tulsi was younger she looked like a prettier Ali MacGraw.

  102. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    Seriously though, this is more like class networking (of which ethnicity is a component).

    Class networking – old boys’ networks and old girls’ networks – these are things you’re not supposed to notice any more. If you notice class at all you’ll get shouted down. Liberals will be angry at you because you might notice that they’re very good at class networking. And conservatives will accuse you of being a commie.

  103. Romanian says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Ha, lol, well that is a complicated issue, and the Moldovan identity as distinct from a Romanian one was a Soviet project that is still being pursued by Russian interest groups and their affiliated useful idiots who think that it is possible to have a neutral state with a separatist region they pay for and with a Russian army occupying it. But ethnicity is complicated like that and one can never say that this is the exact moment when some regional sort of identity has truly transformed into a new ethnicity. I am Oltean, if you are familiar with our regional stereotypes and prejudices. We are the Appalachians of Romania.

    As for the Greek thing, the problem with the mother-in-law (and your explanation of the doctor’s reaction is spot on for Romanian attitudes) is that she mistakes the gene markers and their correlation with today’s more or less homogeneous states with her ethnicity. The South and the East, to the greatest degree, have always been full of Greeks and other Balkans, just as this was also true for Greece itself, which was full of Balkans, Turks etc. The father of Michael the Great was allegedly the Greek trader who financed his first bid (literal bid) for the principality of Wallachia from the Ottomans. I myself am, according to 23andme, 82% Balkan with the greatest matches being in Southern Romania, Transylvania and the Peloponnesus in Greece (we wuz Spartans!). And those particular ancestors need not have been Greek – they could have been the Balkans Romance speakers like the Aromanians, the Cuto-Vlachs under their myriad names and dialects who were consummate regional traders. The Aromanians tried to start their own state in Greece during the 1st World War, the Principality of Pindus. That is how many there were of them. They failed and the Greeks had huge reprisals which led to many leaving and others becoming Greek, even though they maintain the family links to Aromanians in Romania. Simona Halep, the tennis player, is proud pureblood Aromanian.

    So my partial Greek match can reflect either Greek ancestors, Balkans Romance speaking ancestors, but this may also reflect the mixed origin of Greeks, given the Byzantines, the Asen Empire and other ties. Plus, if you look at the city street names and the descendants of the nobility of Romania, you will see a lot of Greek families from the bad old Ottoman days when they ruled the country as a profit making enterprise. They definitely had byblows. Hell, one of our Presidential candidate in on-going race is called Paleologu, the Greekiest name ever.

    We are happy to have you again in the country! Have a pleasant stay and give us a review lol.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  104. @Buzz Mohawk

    When nine hundred years old you reach, look as good you will not.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  105. @(((Owen)))

    Thank you, Yoda.

    Our house is about four hundred years old, and it is a mess because we’ve left the door open for the past fifty.

    • LOL: Alden
  106. @Hail

    Tulsi has no “right wing tendencies “, other than being physically fit

  107. Is Vanessa Friedman from the same tribe as Thomas Friedman?

  108. Alfa158 says:
    @indocon

    Scorpions don’t reflect on what they are going to do while that frog is giving them a ride across the river. It’s just not how they evolved.

  109. Dan Hayes says:
    @Hail

    Hail:

    By that photo Jimmy Durante would be jealous of her schnoz!

  110. roo_ster says:
    @Hail

    Seeing that profile shot tells us why she went for the straight on foreshortening shot for her byline photo.

  111. anon[597] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    The precious slang, the winking coinages, the sarcasm and snark – it’s all more important to them than the subject.

    “Journalism” is merely a Comments section, with wider distribution.

  112. @NOTA

    Indeed, and now inspired by that, here is a term for American members of the Coalition of the Fringes: Born on second base and think they’re at the plate with two strikes.

  113. George says:

    “Rather, they are the white of avenging angels and flaming swords, of somewhat combative righteousness (also cult leaders).”

    Joan of Arc? Valkyrie? Or Columbia?

    Columbia is the female personification of the United States.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_(name)

  114. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @PiltdownMan

    I used to think the iSteve commenter who was, variously, a social worker, computer programmer, BDSM harem-keeper, and some other things besides was our community’s Mr. Belvedere, but he has rivals in the exotic life stories department.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @SFG
  115. sayless says:
    @Romanian

    A friend who’s been doing genealogy for fifty years told me that in the U.S. there are more white descendants of African slaves than black ones. Haven’t looked into it but I believe her; she’s a scientist and doesn’t assert facts unless she’s confident they’re true.

    Am not sure African-American ancestry is a thing though, the way American Indian ancestry is. Has anyone here encountered that?

  116. anon[597] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    What’s with putting “(No pun intended)” in an editorial piece?

    Indeed, the NYT style manual should be edited to ban this phrase and replace it with “If you know what I mean”.

    But given the role white pantsuits have played in the national conversation for the last three years, it’s not immaterial. (No pun intended.) It really suits her, if you know what I mean.

    Why stop at lame prep-school innuendo? Get all the way down! If you know what I mean.

  117. Bang on. She only wears white to show off her dark skin. Like how Steve Jobs only wore black to show off his whiteness. It’s not like he actually liked wearing black or anything. People only wear black to show off their white skin. Effing racists.

  118. It’s my understanding, that the lighter colored clothing tends NOT to make folks look slimmer than they actually are & makes them appear quicker than they actually are. Hey, bigger & faster!

  119. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Neoconned

    https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_et_al_Disintermediating_Friends.pdf

    Most couples meet online or in bars.
    Takeaway — total disintermediation, women are not wanting references on character, stability, network of prospective mate. Just sexiness which is seen in online photos or in the bar (which bad chad bad boy can pick them up against the others?)

    White women have essentially become Black women, in how they choose and hook up with mates. Which leaves most White dudes out in the cold, as White men are evolved to be beta, but technology: the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, rising female incomes, rising female independence, etc. make beta male provision useless and now seemingly repellent.

    Look at the graph at the very bottom of the PDF. It shows a dramatic increase in bars and online, and massive decline in intermediation — women choose from now whatever they want instead of a pre-selected group through friends, college, work, church, etc.

    This has profound implications for politics and culture.

  120. @nebulafox

    18% of the remainder probably can’t resist the most masculine, dominant presence on the stage in any event, which Gabbard can lay a serious claim to being, considering that many of her male rivals are geriatrics or practical eunuchs.

    I agree. Representative Gabbard is, simultaneously, both the most masculine, and the most feminine Democratic Presidential candidate. I wouldn’t have thought that was possible, but I guess in a world* where Pete Buttigieg can be perceived as a serious contender for the Presidency, anything’s possible.

    *honk, honk

  121. Vanessa Friedman – always check the phyzz. The Askepathy here is at 11.

  122. @Anon

    You forgot, “I wonder if AOC is as crazy in the sack as she is on economic issues? Mmmmm…”

  123. “…the mythical white knight, riding in to save us all from yet another ‘regime change war’.”

    Note that the last phrase is in quotes. Wonder how many members of the Friedman family have served in the capacity of overseas cannon fodder like Gabbard. Bet on “nada.” In fact, it’s doubtful that neither she or anyone else of her ilk even KNOW any such individuals.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  124. @Neoconned

    He doesn’t suffer fools gladly. Which is all you can ask for from a journalist.

  125. @El Dato

    Tulsi expertly detected as Putin’s most likely candidate by experts

    The Russians prefer the candidate who doesn’t want to nuke them.

    Nazis are notorious for their desire to avoid being nuked.

  126. Daniel H says:
    @Steve Sailer

    4 buttons, three buttons, 2 buttons, side vent, centered vent. Small things, but I believe that they indicate something. I meet a man and I examine his suit. If I notice that his suit jacket is ventless I write him off as a flunky, a today, a follower, a 2nd rater. A man I would never allow to lead me as far, even, as the bar room.

  127. guest says:

    Not interested in connecting it with the suffragists? (Suddenly not known as suffragettes?) Literally who cares about suffragettes? Has that given any presidential candidate traction ever?

  128. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    She also did the voice dub for the evil queen in Barbarella:

  129. guest says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Her pedigree is perfect for cutting down politicians for not being as fashionable as [checks notes] Hillary Clinton? That can’t be right.

  130. guest says:
    @Anon

    Palin actually started a trend, I think. At least I don’t remember Hot Pioneer Lady (or Hot School Marm/Hot Librarian) around before her brief flare-up. Unlike, say, Michelle Obama who probably actually had clothing lines named after her, but they could have been slapped on anything.

    I dunno much about such things, but I’d venture to guess Tulsi’s skintone goes with white. Which I don’t imagine the NYT wants to write about.

  131. Svevlad says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I dunno why angloids are so anal about puns. Matter of fact, I think here people actively try to make them as much as possible

  132. — to save us all from yet another ‘regime change war.’

    Snark from another elitist progressive ghoul.

  133. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Worse than I imagined. On a cheerier note, this thread is full of quality takes and zippy one-liners. You guys are firing on all cylinders today.

  134. Alden says:
    @Whiskey

    You aren’t most men whiskey.

    Most men have no trouble meeting women. Maybe it’s because they don’t hate women? Maybe because they can carry on a conversation about topics other than “ I hate women?” Maybe because they are attractive and appealing? Maybe because they’re friends with women their own age? Maybe because they do things other than go to bars and post nonsense on the internet?

  135. @Buzz Mohawk

    With her gigantic arse Mrs. Rodham-Clinton should stick to dark colors, preferably an unlit room.

  136. Not Raul says:

    Isn’t the white suit worn to show who is the psychiatrist, and who are the lunatics?

  137. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Simplest Reason.

    If Tulsi were Jewish, Friedman would give her a pass. But she’s not, hence the ankle-biting.

    Ergo, the reason Friedman wrote this is because Tulsi is not part of The Tribe.

  138. Alden says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Look at her forehead. Botoxxed to the max, smooth as a marble counter top. But neck, chin and the wrinkles around the nose and mouth just scream her age. I have nothing against face lifts and cosmetic surgery. But she would look a million times better if she’d had neck, all 4 eyelids and full face lift instead of just botoxxing her forehead.

    And I bet she wears black all the time because Noo Yawkers think it displays their sophistication. To me, black screams dowdy frumpy, doesn’t bother, lazy, lower middle class who can’t afford much. Black clothes can get pretty dirty without noticing. Ring around the collar is not noticeable with black. Whites brights and pastels need a lot of care. Black just hides dirt.

    Some women look very good with a severely pulled back bun. She isn’t one of them. A face like hers needs a layered, collar length fluffy style to distract from her ugly face. That’s why Mrs Obama and Orca Winfrey wear those fluffy hairstyles, to distract the eye from their ugly faces.

    Ugly frumps shouldn’t criticize other women, especially very pretty very well dressed United States Senators.

  139. @Dumbo

    Right, she’s not only drawing attention to what she considers a pun, but a strained pun at best.

  140. El Dato says:
    @Interested Bystander

    There is no difference.

    NYT is a paper for Chow-Chows.

  141. @Dave Pinsen

    Tulsi is able to speak forcefully without sounding strident, in contrast to Liz Warren or Hillary Clinton.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  142. anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Don't Look at Me

    Are you coming on to me?

  143. @Dave Pinsen

    That’s completely uncalled for and I’m really saddened it’s come from you, of all commenters, Dave. That hurts, man.

    While I fully agree that an anonymous comments forum such as this offers ample scope for fabulists, I have mentioned my brief childhood stay in Ethiopia in the Sixties here before a couple of times, in the two or three years I’ve been active here. The childhood memory above is accurate. Or rather, as accurate as I can recall it.

    I’ve also mentioned my (adult) stays in East Asia as an expatriate in the financial industry and sundry personal reminiscences and credentials that we’re pertinent to topics at hand. Over six decades, life and experiences (and memories) add up.

    I did vaguely expect to have my leg pulled when I posted that but did not expect to be slandered.

    Your choice of lack of anonymity here, and elsewhere online, is your choice, and, to me, admirably courageous, given the potential for personal abuse or worse. It wouldn’t be, and hasn’t been, my choice.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @Dave Pinsen
  144. Everyone white is bad, donchaknow.

    You’re not even allowed to drink a bottle of white wine anymore!

  145. @Whiskey

    Whiskey sees a tree fall and assumes the whole forest is flat, but he has a supporting datapoint that simply wouldn’t have been possible 20 years ago.

    Young Brit graduette, only 21 (but 3 years of uni with its carousel opportunities), gap-yearing round the world, Tinder and two SM/Fetish apps on her phone, enjoys being restrained, choked etc, as testified in court by a previous partner. Alas one of her Tinder dates chokes her to death just before she hits 22. She’d been with someone else the previous night, and her killer went on another Tinder date within a few hours of killing her.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7708905/Grace-MIllane-murder-trial-latest.html

    It’s a kind of Looking For Mr Goodbar forty years on, but the deceased came from an intact, close middle-class family, no known issues. And her poor parents had to hear it all in court.

  146. SFG says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Hey, I was never a social worker…

  147. @Whiskey

    Look at the graph at the very bottom of the PDF. It shows a dramatic increase in bars and online, and massive decline in intermediation — women choose from now whatever they want instead of a pre-selected group through friends, college, work, church, etc.

    Well, a lot of this is due to the society that has been created.

    Many people are simply too busy working to make ends meet to keep up strong friendships.

    College is now a 4 or 5-year long party to, “experiment,” or, “find oneself.”

    Work is finished as a venue, largely due to draconian HR departments that will summarily end a male’s career over the slightest romantic infraction.

    Church? People still go there?

  148. @PiltdownMan

    Or did I completely misunderstand your post and Mr. Belvedere reference and go off the deep end just now?

    Damn.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  149. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    By this point it’s definitely fair to conclude that Princeton is very much the co-equal of Harvard and Yale when it comes to the ‘Tribal’ Ascendancy

    From Ron Unz’ college demographics tool:

    Princeton University
    1980: 79.8% US-White, 63.1% male
    1986: 78.2% US-White, 63.1% male (Vanessa Friedman’s freshman-sophomore year)
    1988: 75.8% US-White, 61.3% male (Vanessa Friedman’s junior-senior year)
    2000: 68.0% US-White, 52.3% male
    2010: 48.8% US-White, 50.8% male
    2017: 42.5% US-White, 51.3% male

    Non-Residents rise from a consistent 5% in the 1980s and 1990s, to a consistent 10-12% from the mid 2000s, with a big expansion in the early 2000s (by policy?) causing this realignment.

    Asians appear to have been capped at 10-13% from the early 1990s to mid 2000s, but starting about the late 2000s were allowed to increase to a higher cap of 20-22%, steady from 2013 to present. Add in whatever share of the Non-Residents are from Asia (presumably most), making for a ~30% Total Asian share by the mid 2010s.

    As for the Jews, Ron Unz’ work has them a 1/4 share of the White total at Princeton as of the late 2000s and early 2010s. Did that ratio hold in the 1980s, too? If so, Jews may have declined from ~20% of Princeton during Vanessa Friedman’s time, to ~10% today. Or might the ratio have increased/decreased?

    • Replies: @Romanian
  150. @dearieme

    Inattentive reader, Steve recently mentioned that he’d lost a fair amount of weight.

  151. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @PiltdownMan

    You have imputed something to my comment I didn’t intend. I didn’t suggest you or the other commenter whose handle escapes me at the moment were fabulists. Some people actually have had very interesting lives. IIRC, the character Mr. Belvedere wasn’t a fabulist either, but it’s been a long time since I watched the show. I just remember his exotic stories.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  152. Russ says:
    @Anon

    Snot nose Buttplug is the epitome of the Harvard douche bag. The last thing we need is another Kool Aid drinking establishment weasel on that stage, in a white pants suit. Go Tulsi!

    I do appreciate that when he tried to clip her (with every bit of the smarm and condescension characteristic of the feces fertilizer) for meeting with Assad, she very coolly cited JFK – Khrushchev, FDR – Stalin, and Reagan – Gorbachev in her retort.

  153. Mim says:

    Yet all those congress women wore white in President Trump’s state of the union address… was that their
    statement???https://www.thecut.com/…/women-of-congress-dressed-in…

  154. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin

    Exactly. This is a female superpower, and Tulsi alone has it among this field.

  155. “Now Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, underdog presidential candidate, has, by all indications, made it her uniform. And yet no one really seems to care.”

    Someone obviously cares a great deal. Vanessa Friedman, take your irony supplement!

  156. Sophistry Corner

    On their face, Friedman’s words make no sense whatsoever. “White knight”?! Hence, we must go beyond them, to tease out what she is up to.

    She heaps lavish praise on Hillary Clinton, only to snipe pettily at Tulsi Gabbard for the same choice in wardrobe. This must mean that Friedman is a Hillaryite, and hates Gabbard for not being Hillary, or it means nothing. (I can’t find a third option.)

    The Washington Post ran a similarly bitchy column by its fashion writer during the Democrats’ 2000 post-election attempt to steal the election through massive election fraud and judicial chicanery, attacking Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris’ makeup. However, the WP writer didn’t use comparison and contrast in her sniping.

  157. @Dave Pinsen

    My sincere apologies, Dave. I retract any insinuation of ill-will or slander completely, of course.

    Be well.

    • Replies: @Romanian
  158. MBlanc46 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Look at the Policies section of her website. Every Leftist lunatic scheme is there.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  159. @MBlanc46

    ‘Look at the Policies section of her website. Every Leftist lunatic scheme is there.’

    Yeah…but ya gotta consider the alternatives.

    I don’t need to think too hard unless and until she squares off against Trump.

    That ain’t gonna happen, so…

  160. Hail says: • Website
    @Autochthon

    Read her interview in Fashionista (April 22, 2019) for a mega dose of what you describe.

    [MORE]

    What first interested you about working in media?

    I was really interested in writing; originally, in fiction, and then just in all forms of word usage. I think that’s how I found my way here. I got into magazines first, and newspapers kind of laterally.

    I went to Princeton; I studied history and I minored or got a certificate in European Cultural Studies and Creative Writing. I thought it would be fun. I wrote a historical novel for my thesis, which, I don’t know how I got away with that honestly. [laughs] I also wrote about the Weimar and Bauhaus and I speak no German. I don’t know how I got away with that either!

    Then I went to Paris and did an internship at a law firm there, and while I was doing that, I started moonlighting at a magazine called Paris Passion — which was not a porn magazine, it was a precursor of Time Out — and just kept going from there.

    What were your first steps in the industry?

    I was like, “What do I wanna do? Do I want to be a lawyer or do I want to do writing? Whither my life?” I came back to New York and I took the LSATs. Then I decided I could always go back to law school, but you are never a 40-year-old editorial assistant, so I should maybe try that first. I got a job at Grand Street; it was a literary magazine run by Jean Stein, at the time out of her house on West End, and my job was to go in, make the coffee and turn on the lights, and then she and her partner would come out in their bathrobes. [laughs]

    I did that for three months, then I went to Vanity Fair and started working in magazines. I jumped around a lot. I mostly did culture, started writing at The New Yorker, where I went after Vanity Fair, with Tina Brown, and then went to Vogue as a contributing editor, but really wasn’t doing fashion and beauty. It was mostly art stuff — same at Elle. Then I moved to London and started doing everything because I was freelancing.

    How did you end up in London and what were you doing when you first moved there?

    I got married; my husband worked at JP Morgan and they said to him, “Would you like to go to London for two years?” I was like, 27, and we had no kids and no apartment, and were like, “Yeah, we’ll go for a little bit, it’ll be fun!” And we stayed for 12. [laughs]

    I was sitting in our loft in Kentish Town, I knew one person and had this very part-time contract from Elle to be their European editor, and realized if I didn’t start calling people, no one would really care at all that I was there. So I started just madly sending out pitches and letters — which is something I just sucked at, beyond. I had so much neurosis about it. It would take me a week to craft one — and five years after I started, I got much better at it. [laughs]

    How did you find freelancing?

    Terrible! I was a terrible freelancer. There are people who are really fantastic freelancers and really good at balancing work with the ability to pursue other interests and hobbies and all that, and I was just completely neurotic. As soon as I finished a story, I would go into panic meltdown mode and be like, “I have nothing to do!” And then send out millions more pitch letters and then get way too much work and then panic about that. When I had my first child, which was in 2000, I decided I needed a full-time job again because I needed to control my time.

    [Continued]

    See also family origin and life trajectory for Vanessa Friedman (and reply), one source for which is this interview.

  161. Hail says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin

    Ngram shows that appearances of the phrase “no pun intended” begin a steady upswing in 1968 over the then-established ‘base rate’ (the 1940s-to-1960s running avg.).

    By the late 1970s, “no pun intended” was at 3x its base rate, and by the early 1990s it was at 6x its base rate. In the 2000s, it reached 12x its former base rate. It had truly broken its way into standard writing. The “American English” corpus magnifies this trend even more, reaching 15x the base rate in the 2000s.

    We are left with the intriguing conclusion that “no pun intended” and general Western decline (falling birth rate, higher drug use, the opening up of immigration, anti-white racial policies, stagnant real wages, left-wing ascendancy, and the rest) track each other — begin to emerge and expand together, side by side.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  162. indocon says:
    @Houston 1992

    Actually I slightly disagree. Having lived in California for last 10+ years, I come across a lot of hispanics who are very gettable for republicans. The common trait among all these people is not very hard to guess – married with kids, low-middle class, some what religious, and most likely picking white as race on census. One of the reasons I think a lot of these people either don’t vote or vote Democratic is that the Republican party today offers them absolutely nothing. If Republicans could come up with that effective health care solution that does expand coverage by punishing drug companies (who by the way are 100% located in blue areas today), it would go along way to make more inroad with these people.

  163. Hail says: • Website
    @Romanian

    How much fake African-American ancestry do you have? 😀

    Myself I have always gotten 0.0% Subsaharan, 0.0% Amerind, and 0.0% Jewish — the last one somewhat a surprise, given that a fair portion of my ancestry is in Germany — and this consistent across the maybe six or so noticeable (small) shifts in the percentages since I first got 23andMe, which I realize is now closer to three years ago.

    Early on, I think they gave me 0.1% Yakut; then that changed into 0.1% Broadly East Asian, which stuck around a while. In 2018, it was re-branded “Broadly East Asian and Native American,” due no doubt to pressure from the Elizabeth Warren-type customer demographic.

    I am currently at 99.8% European and 0.2% Unassigned, after a period when they had me at 100.0% European.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    , @Hail
  164. Romanian says: • Website
    @Hail

    Too bad they don’t give medical data anymore. I uploaded my dna file to genomelink for their pointless and useless traits. I was aggrieved to learn that, for male pattern baldness, I have:

    25%
    You have a stronger tendency for balding
    50%
    You have an intermediate tendency for not balding
    25%
    You have a stronger tendency for not balding

    What am I supposed to learn from that :))

    I am 98.6% European right now (82.1% Greek and Balkan, 6.6% Italian, 3.8% broadly South Eastern European, 3.5% Eastern European, 0.2% Northwestern European, 2.4% broadly European), 0.6% Anatolian, 0.3% broadly West Asian/North African, 0.5% unassigned. Does that make me a euromutt? 😀 And this from families with no memory of having ever been anywhere else. Maybe I will do well in the future Neo-Ottoman Caliphate, efendi!

    • Replies: @Hail
  165. Romanian says: • Website
    @Hail

    I believe Ron Unz was referring to Jews as a total percentage of the average Ivy, not as a percentage of the White population. And quoting Hillel data.

    • Replies: @Hail
  166. Romanian says: • Website
    @PiltdownMan

    God, this forum is so civilized!

  167. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    As for trace Subsaharan ancestry in White Americans: Browsing profiles of distant cousins in the 23andMe database, I once recorded the average guesses 23andMe made for my 60 closest cousins, almost all being people totally unknown to me, but the great majority of whom I expect are in the US non-South. The aggregate was:

    – (99.5% Total European if incl. Jewish as European; 97.5% if not);
    – – 88.2% NW European;
    – – 9.2% all other types of European;
    – – 2.0% Jewish (almost all of which is from two individual half-Jews in the sample; 12 of the remaining 58 had generally small levels, ranging from 0.1% to one at 11.5%; if excluding the two half-Jews, it is down to a 0.5% Jewish for the aggregate n=58);
    – 0.2% East Asian and Native American;
    – 0.1% South Asian;
    – 0.1% Middle East and North Africa;
    – 0.1% Subsaharan.

    The 0.1% Subsaharan looks like this:

    – 47/60 of my closest DNA cousins get 0.0% Subsaharan,
    – 11/60 get a trace amount (generally 0.1% to 0.2%, around the supposed US-White aggregate average), and
    – 2/60 get a more meaningful percentage: These two were 1.1% and 1.8%; the latter individual has a Spanish name and an overall ancestral-profile that suggests one grandparent from Latin America).

    ___________

    23andMe gives their statistical methodology on false-positive rates. They claim that when they make a ‘Subsaharan’ call, it is subject to a “0%” false-positive rate (presumably this means <0.5%, how can it be true zero?).

    Others with reported false-positive rates of 0% are 'Melanesian,' 'Native American,' 'African Hunter Gatherer,' and 'Somali.' Most European subcategories are subject to higher false-positives, up to 5-10%; for some reason 18% for Finnish. I believe this means that 18% of the time they suggest a person has any Finnish ancestry, it is a wrong call; not that when they make a "10% Finnish" call that 8.2% of it will be true Finnish and 1.8% will be wrong.

    "Manchurian & Mongolian" is their highest false-positive-rate call of all, at 25%.

    Ashkenazi Jewish has both the lowest false-positive rate of the 'European' ethnicities, at 1%, and what looks to be the lowest false-negative rate for any group for which 23andMe makes estimates, 3%. (French & German is up to 50% false negative — meaning 23andMe will correctly categorize actual French & German ancestry correctly only half the time, with the rest generally deposited into Broadly NW European or Broadly European — in my experience, they’ve gotten modestly better at guessing German correctly since 2017.)

    To add something obvious: It must be that the chance of having a 0.1%-or-higher trace Subsaharan ancestry in the US goes up with the percentage of one's ancestors who were colonial, especially in the southern colonies; in my case, only 1/8 branches is colonial (7/8ths in Europe as of the mid-19th century), and that one was not in the South.

    I have one DNA Relative, for example, who moved to the Deep South and married a man from there. She is 0.0% Subsaharan. Her son, also in the 23andMe database, is 0.5%, implying the father is 1.0%.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  168. Hail says: • Website
    @Romanian

    Here is the relevant figure from Ron Unz’ landmark Nov. 2012 article, “The Myth of American Meritocracy,” an article which is kind of a founding document of the Unz Review, if predating it (published in The American Conservative):

    Princeton, 2007 to 2011
    – Non-Jewish White: 37%
    – Jewish: 13%

    Does this derive from [White] – [Jewish] = [Non-Jewish White]?

  169. Hail says: • Website
    @Romanian

    23andMe expects me to drink 210-220 mg of caffeine a day, vs. the average of 250-260 mg. (IOW, if I drink at all, they think it will be [not ‘should’ be, not health advice] a cup less a day than the the average US coffee drinker.)

    Most of these traits are just-for-fun. They don’t have “Your likelihood of alcohol dependence or cigarette addiction,” which they probably could.

  170. gcochran says:
    @Whiskey

    As I have said before, someone has to gift Whiskey with a tranny hooker. It’s time.

    • Replies: @anon
  171. anon[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @gcochran

    Pre-op or post-op? There might be a price difference.

  172. Hibernian says:
    @Hail

    I have one DNA Relative, for example, who moved to the Deep South and married a man from there. She is 0.0% Subsaharan. Her son, also in the 23andMe database, is 0.5%, implying the father is 1.0%.

    Guess who’s coming to dinner?

  173. In contrast, I would guess that Rep. Gabbard wears white frequently to show off her dark complexion to remind Democrats that she isn’t wholly white.

    See, this is why you’re not writing for the NYT. How can you get an Sulzberger Blog-worthy screed out of a simple, straightforward explanation like that?

    Now if you were better able to automatically reject the obvious explanation; to construct a complex semitic conspiracy theory like Ms. Friedman’s; to wield the “Whiteness” canard as a club to bash Ms. Gabbard without ever directly invoking it… then ol’ A.G. would be knocking on your door.

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