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From the New York Times:

Chicago, Convulsed by Violence, Confronts Trump’s Twitter Threat

By JULIE BOSMAN JAN. 25, 2017

CHICAGO — President Trump spent part of Tuesday watching television in the White House and firing off a Twitter post aimed at the nation’s third-largest city. “If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”

Chicagoans spent Wednesday debating what to make of it. From some corners of the city, the post from Mr. Trump brought indignation.

“He meant locking up more black and brown folks,” said Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, addressing the City Council here on Wednesday morning. “Just like Republicans, just like right-wingers have always done.”

… And there was some confusion. “The statement is so broad,” Eddie Johnson, the police superintendent, told The Chicago Tribune. “I have no idea what he’s talking about.”

Whatever Mr. Trump’s intention, his message put the city on the defensive once again for its escalating problem of gun violence, which has been mostly concentrated in neighborhoods on the West and South Sides.

Guns flock to those Sides because of the Tragic Dirt, unlike the Magic Dirt on the North Side.

Just this month, 239 people were shot, 40 of them fatally, a police spokesman said Wednesday. In the same period last year, 227 people were shot, 33 fatally. In 2016, there were at least 762 homicides in Chicago, the highest number in two decades, though the per-capita murder rate remains lower than that of some other major cities, including Baltimore and St. Louis.

What could possibly be the common denominator among Chicago, St. Louis, and Baltimore that causes their homicide rate to soar post-Ferguson?

I mean, besides #BlackLiesMurder?

Mr. Trump’s Twitter post on Tuesday echoed one he made on Jan. 2 about Chicago’s murder rate. “If Mayor can’t do it he must ask for Federal help!” he wrote.

The new post landed on the eve of a City Council meeting, where elected officials parsed the president’s statement and his unspecified threat of federal intervention.

“If the president of the United States wants to give us money to help with other crime-fighting improvement methods, we truly welcome that, and we embrace that,” said Alderman Howard Brookins Jr., whose district is on the South Side. “We ask him to send that money tomorrow.” …

Chicago, obviously, has been completely deprived of federal sympathy and funds for the last eight years because the only Chicagoan in the previous Administration was Arne Duncan.

And Rahm Emanuel.

And William Daley.

And Valerie Jarrett.

And Barack Obama.

Earlier this month, in the final days of Barack Obama’s presidency, the Justice Department concluded a sweeping 13-month investigation of the city’s police practices. Its report described a police department whose officers routinely trampled on the civil rights of Chicago residents, especially Latinos and African-Americans.

As opposed to them getting murdered by their fellow Chicago civilians, which is, evidently, a big improvement.

Many officers use excessive force when making arrests or confronting suspects, the report said, and those actions are rarely punished or investigated further by superiors. City officials said they welcomed the report and would pursue a consent decree, even under the Trump administration.

What could Trump possibly be thinking of when he refers to sending the Feds to Chicago? It’s not as if there have ever been any television shows or movies about honest federal agents fighting crime in corrupt Chicago …

 
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  1. It’s still amazing to see “President Trump” in the NYT. What a world.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    Best timeline ever!
    , @Anonymous

    It’s still amazing to see “President Trump” in the NYT. What a world.
     
    Or being on a military base, like I was yesterday, and see President Trump's portrait on the top of the chain of command with "Commander-in-Chief" under his portrait.
    , @guest
    Yeah, they go through the trouble of telling us Trump watched tv while tweeting, two activities that we're supposed to believe are beneath the dignity great leaders. But they have to start by calling him "President Trump," which ruins the effect. This guy shouldn't be president. I mean, he watches tv and tweets, for Obama's sake!

    What can you say? President...Trump. They've gotta find something else to call him.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    How beautiful that sounds.

    "President Trump."

    Every time David Brooks hears that, he dies a little bit inside.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    Brexit, hearing the BBC news opening with the words "President Trump", Mrs May announcing the “days of Britain and America intervening in sovereign countries in an attempt to remake the world in our own image are over” - what a time of hope to be alive in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dAvPw6YgRI
  2. Chicago doesn’t have the highest murder rate, not by a long shot. It just has the most murders due to having a high rate and a very large population. It makes people look kind of silly focusing on chicago. Doubly silly when they seem to think the high murder rate makes the whole city unlivable.

    http://fox6now.com/2016/11/02/americas-25-murder-capitals-milwaukee-has-10th-highest-murder-rate-of-any-american-city/

    • Replies: @BB753
    According to your link, Washington DC has a worst murder rate than Chicago! Why doesn't Trump do something about it, right where he's living?
    , @GW
    It has the highest murder rate of major cities--higher than NY or Dallas or Phoenix certainly.
    , @Robert Henderson
    To understand how high homicide rates in the US are reflect on the fact that the total number of homicides in England and Wales in 2015 was 574. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35372940

    England and Wales have a combined population of around 54 million.

    Where England and Wales do resemble the States is the disproportionately large number of blacks involved in crime, viz:

    "In general, Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) groups appear to be over-represented at most stages throughout the CJS, compared to the White ethnic group, though this is not universal and does not appear to worsen as they progress through the system. Among BAME groups, Black and Mixed individuals were often the most over-represented. Trends over time for each ethnic group have tended to mirror overall trends, with little change in relative positions between ethnic groups."https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2014

    The low homicide rate might at first glance be ascribed to tight gun controls. However, England has since the Middle Ages had an exceptionally low level of violence when compared with other countries. The Canadian sociologist Elliott Leyton examines this fact in his book Men of Blood. This raises the question of how far culture can restrain innate human behavioural tendencies through the working of natural selection on innate human behavioural traits. For example, England may be populated by a disproportionate number of people able to exercise self control.
    , @Robert Henderson
    To understand how high homicide rates in the US are reflect on the fact that the total number of homicides in England and Wales in 2015 was 574. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35372940

    England and Wales have a combined population of around 54 million.

    Where England and Wales do resemble the States is the disproportionately large number of blacks involved in crime, viz:

    "In general, Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) groups appear to be over-represented at most stages throughout the CJS, compared to the White ethnic group, though this is not universal and does not appear to worsen as they progress through the system. Among BAME groups, Black and Mixed individuals were often the most over-represented. Trends over time for each ethnic group have tended to mirror overall trends, with little change in relative positions between ethnic groups."https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2014

    The low homicide rate might at first glance be ascribed to tight gun controls. However, England has since the Middle Ages had an exceptionally low level of violence when compared with other countries. The Canadian sociologist Elliott Leyton examines this fact in his book Men of Blood. This raises the question of how far culture can restrain innate human behavioural tendencies through the working of natural selection on innate human behavioural traits. For example, England may be populated by a disproportionate number of people able to exercise self control.
  3. “He meant locking up more black and brown folks,” said Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, addressing the City Council here on Wednesday morning. “Just like Republicans, just like right-wingers have always done.”

    Someone should ask Mr. Rosa who is committing all of the murders in Chicago? The city’s Polish community? Bob Newhart? Ferris Bueller? Harry & Marv? Kevin McCallister? The band Chicago?

  4. @Dave Pinsen
    It's still amazing to see "President Trump" in the NYT. What a world.

    Best timeline ever!

  5. Everyday is a 1929 Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre in the city of Chicago, but replace Alphonse Gabriel Capone with Eric Holder’s sons.

    • Replies: @ricpic
    Which is why Trump should not let himself be sucked into "doing something" about the endless chaos that is black life. Benign neglect, baby, just like Senator Moynihan counseled. Benign neglect is the only way to keep resources, time and energy from being sucked down the black hole -- pun intended.
  6. Forget it, Steve. It’s Chi Town.

    • LOL: Jacobite
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Excellent!
  7. “He meant locking up more black and brown folks,” said Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, addressing the City Council here on Wednesday morning. “Just like Republicans, just like right-wingers have always done.”

    Yeah, Republicans have always done that. Just look at all the Negroes that Lincoln locked up. And remember how Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock to lock up all the black and brown people, after Republican Chief Justice Earl Warren ordered them all to be locked up? Sheesh…

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Dr. X:

    All the reason to hold the Republican Party in well deserved contempt starting with Lincoln, the unindicted War Criminal, through Earl Warren, the chief drum beater for Japanese American incarceration in World War II.
  8. Sailer is on a roll today, congratulations on saving Western Civilization Steve.

  9. Now that’s what I’m talkin’ ’bout!

  10. As a Chicago resident I believe it’s time to build a wall here too. Several walls.

    • Replies: @FactsAreImportant
    Mark Zuckerberg agrees.

    https://www.rt.com/business/375272-hawaii-protest-wall-mark-zuckerberg/
    , @Olorin
    In Wisconsin they have a joke about that. Only it involves the entire state of Illinois.
    , @Anonymous
    Don't forget the lethal finials.
  11. Chicago didn’t vote for Trump. Who cares about their problems? Black Chicago violence is a positive for us, both for the obvious reason and also as an effective meme in the struggle for gun rights. Bad move. Send the Feds to bust up some small town heroin rings.

  12. @Dave Pinsen
    It's still amazing to see "President Trump" in the NYT. What a world.

    It’s still amazing to see “President Trump” in the NYT. What a world.

    Or being on a military base, like I was yesterday, and see President Trump’s portrait on the top of the chain of command with “Commander-in-Chief” under his portrait.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Do the troops generally support our God-Emperor?
  13. O.M.G.!!!!

    Tragic Dirt!!!!

    Pure genius

  14. Guns flock to those Sides because of the Tragic Dirt, unlike the Magic Dirt on the North Side.

    It is ironic that at one time Lincoln Park was known most for being a gang infested Puerto Rican neighborhood and the the most notorious public housing project in Chicago was on the North Side, Cabrini Green. Both the West Side and certain parts of the South Side have seen gentrification start come in. I think that all of the crime will keep real estate prices down in those areas for the near future though. On the other hand, people who see past the present are probably buying up property in the West and South Sides, and will cash in in the future. Developers who took a chance on Lincoln Park when all of the whites were fleeing the FALN riots of the 60’s and 70’s cashed in the same way when the turn around happened there. I know multipe people people who talk about growing up and living in the Lincoln Park area and they all end the story of their youth by saying, “if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!”

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    I cannot believe how much and how fast Lincoln park has improved. I went to visit DePaul university and was chased out by PR gangs. According to congressmen Luis G, the Latin Kings drove out the whites and then the law biding PRs!
    At the time, we thought if a neighborhood goes bad, it stays bad. Now we know how to take back the neighborhoods. I have also seen Bucktown and now Logan Square come back.
    Long live gentrification!
    , @PV van der Byl
    What led to the turn around and gentrification?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Mike, Follow the money trail. Cabrini Green and I think the Taylor projects were demolished in a failed bid to land the Olympics. Among those involved were, Barack Obama, Oprah, Valerie Jarret, Rahm Emmanuel and the Pritzkers. Chicago send Michelle O and Oprah with their bid. See who profits from the vacant land.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I know multipe people people who talk about growing up and living in the Lincoln Park area and they all end the story of their youth by saying, “if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!”
     
    Yeah, Lincoln Park's a lovely area now days. It seems hard to believe it ever wasn't.
  15. It is weird to see the NYT come out somewhat on the side of Chicago. It is usually hostile or condescending to the capital of flyover country.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Chicago may be the biggest city for a long stretch in middle America, but in no way is it the capital of flyover country or even the Midwest. Normal people increasingly fear Chicago, and it is not as friendly and down to earth as it used to be by a long shot. Yes, I lived there.

    But at least Chicago in places offers almost LA level housing prices, it has stressful polluting time wasting traffic congestion, offset by high taxes and crap weather. Yeah what an attractive example and capital for a region.

    This is not the safe, hardworking Polish and German and Irish city of broad shoulders that some people are remembering, sadly.
    , @Jefferson
    "It is weird to see the NYT come out somewhat on the side of Chicago. It is usually hostile or condescending to the capital of flyover country."

    Chicago is not culturally part of Flyover Country. Chicago has more culturally in common with Los Angeles than with Lincoln, Nebraska.

  16. I see people on my Faceberg screaming “HE CAN’T DO THAT” but they forget how the feds combed through just every aspect of the City of Ferguson in hopes of finding hate crimes. Obama has established a clear precedent for siccing the federal hounds on municipalities, Trump isn’t doing anything here that Obama didn’t do several times the last several years. Thanks Obama!

    • Replies: @res

    Obama has established a clear precedent for siccing the federal hounds on municipalities,
     
    Obama established so many clear precedents for increasing executive power. I wonder if he is reflective enough to realize what a gift he gave Trump?
  17. Steve, I had to google and find The Untouchables to figure out what you meant. We’re not all grandpas here, maaaan.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    The Untouchables is a classic, if you haven't ever watched it you should.
    , @Richard S
    Isn't that typical of an anon? Bringing a millennial's perspective to a middle-aged man's site?
    , @CJ

    Steve, I had to google and find The Untouchables to figure out what you meant. We’re not all grandpas here, maaaan.
     
    Those old TV shows were daytime reruns when I was ten years old, and I'm 64 next month. You should watch some of them for laughs. Of course Elliott Ness and his G-men were the heroes, but my favorite gangster was Frank Nitti. I liked his black shirt and white tie.
    , @Olorin
    Yeah, Steve. Don't you realize that requiring a Millennial to reach outside his own brainscape for a cultural reference is the equivalent of p^^y grabbing?
  18. “If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!””

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors’ race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn’t expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    • Replies: @bomag

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government
     
    Good point, but that's what we've got. The feds have their fingers in all the pies because of purse strings; much time is spent, from local boards to the statehouse, on how to juggle things so they stay eligible for federal funds.

    And the fed judiciary has essentially been packed with activist judges who use the commerce clause etc. to rule in favor of federal oversight on anything. Expanding the brand, so to speak.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Declare Chicago to be in a state of rebellion or insurrection. Put the Illinois National Guard under Federal command and order it to occupy Chicago. Put soldiers and armored personnel carriers on the streets. Have them break up any group of more than three people and give them authority to conduct stop and frisk weapons searches. Declare martial law and suspend the operation of the writ of habeus corpus. Criminal trials will be conducted under summary procedures by military-style tribunals.

    These steps might provoke civil war, but it just might be decisive action now would avert a civil war that to me looks increasingly inevitable.
    , @oddsbodkins
    But there are many levers the federal government can pull to make Illinois comply, in the style of tying highway funds to 55mph speed limits.
    , @sabril

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult.
     
    If you are talking about actually taking over the Chicago police department, then you are probably right.

    But there is no impediment -- legal, constitutional, or traditional -- to Trump beefing up the FBI presence in Chicago and stepping up enforcement of federal laws against weapon and drug trafficking, racketeering, etc.

    Where I work -- NYC -- it is very common for the feds to prosecute serious cases involving narcotics, weapons, financial crime, and probably a lot of other stuff.
    , @guest
    What are you even talking about? Do you have a PHD in Trump Tweet Studies? Why run with the notion that he's literally going to take over administration of the municipality of Chicago? That's presumptuous, and then you pile presumption upon presumption. Why? Because Trump's gonna be Trump.

    Someone above brought up Ferguson, and there's a fine example. (Actually, a crappy example, but useful for our purposes.) In that situation, the feds all but arrogated local law enforcement privileges unto itself because civil rights. It presumed to the right to look over all police actions with a fine-toothed comb, as though it were 1965 and the KKK was in charge. And people acted like it was perfectly normal, because Washington's superpowers derive from race.

    You mentioned the "constitutional rights held by all citizens," and why couldn't Trump invoke those, at least as convincingly as wielded by the power-mad civil rights-era Washingtonians? (Who managed to win the phrase "civil rights" for themselves for generations, for the Pete's sake.) Because it'd be controversial? So was the civil rights movement, as you said.

    But nevermind these questions. Trump doesn't have to do anything in particular, because his tweet was vague. If he did plow in, Civil War-style, obviously it'd be constitutionally controversial. But who cares, unless or until something like that happens?

    Again, what are we even talking about?
    , @Autochthon
    You still think States have sovereignty in practice? That's quaint. The War of Northern Aggression was the death of the concept; misapplications of the Fourteenth Amendment (e.g., Lochner v. New York,) and the Commerce Clause (e.g., Wickard v. Filburn) were it's burial.

    I applaud you, though; I'm actually pleasantly surprised to see right-minded persons like you still properly understand the structure of the federation Jefferson, Madison et al. constituted, before it was bastardized.

    One pattern that occurs again and again in this context is leftists' complete lack of consistency and principle:

    - The C.S.A. was an unlawful insurrection, Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus was swell, as was the federal intervention against States since: forced racial integration, nonsense such as one saw in Ferguson, states' peace officers preclusion from enforcing federal laws regarding immigration (though they are encouraged – and required! – to enforce "civil rights), the federal dictation of voting districts, etc. ad nauseam; BUT

    - Donald Trump enforcement of longstanding statutes is overreaching, California may secede from the evil federal government; Colorado, California, Washington, etc. can ignore federal statutes regarding controlled substances; countless cities can defy federal law regarding immigration; California, Chicago, etc, can effectively abnegate citizens' federally guaranteed right to bear arms (notwithstanding the righteous application of the Fourteenth Amendment to deny other states the decision to not have white children assaulted by black children in schools)....

    One could go on and on. It's all much more concisely put in observations attributed to men who understood the reality of this stuff:

    "The Pope! How many divisions has he got?" – Joseph Stalin

    "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." – Mao Tse-Tung
     
    High-minded principles and flowery language count for nothing; they never have. It all remains down to raw power, no more or less than it did in the neolithic or bronze ages. People foolishly believe otherwise because in the interim the rulers have become clever enough to know deceiving people into believing they are free is less hassle than beating them to remind them they are not. Conservative persons, for a very long time, have placed faith in principles and platitudes whilst leftists were offering violence – both political and physical – with no quarter. The worm is turning, hence the conniption fits on the left. It's all very well and good to accost a man who has taken an oath to be peaceful, smugly assured the victim will not retaliate, but if once that man realises his moral resolve against aggression does not preclude defence, the bully who started it all quickly discovers and invokes the moral imperative against aggression. This phenomenon is unfolding now with the left's hand-wringing about what Trump's administration can and cannot do based upon principles they themselves never observed when they controlled the government.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    eD, Some of these gangs have a documented existence that spans years if not decades. Hammer them with the RICO laws.
    , @Desiderius

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult.
     
    Is there a federal agency the killers would not be in hot water with if they bothered to check? They famously got Capone on tax evasion. Put Koskinen on the case.

    Hey! Hey! Hey!

    This is IRS audit!
    , @Jacobite
    The Army was dispatched by executive order and took over the city of Gary Indiana in October of 1919 and imposed martial law for 4 months.
    , @Jack D

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult.
     
    Don't make me laugh. FDR destroyed the little bit of state sovereignty that Lincoln hadn't already destroyed. If the Federal government wanted to make crossing the street a federal crime they could. Or else Congress could cut off Federal funds to any place that had street crossers. Just last week (seems like years ago) the Federal gov. announced that the Chicago police were going to have to sign a "consent decree" crippling their ability to do effective policing (don't throw me in the briar patch, Brer Rabbit) with the Feds or else. Where was "state sovereignty" then?

    The Left has always supported enlarging the scope of the Fed gov because it allowed them to push aside the local "deplorables" but they never considered that the Fed gov would not always be in leftist hands. All the weapons that Obama is about to wield against them (and he intends to, make no mistake) were built in the labs of leftist government - Obama is their Frankenstein.

    , @unez_rdr
    Well, this is my first comment here, I hope it passes muster!
    eD, your comment got me thinking. What if Pres. Trump did push to do something a bit over the line, a step further than Obama? It would go to court. Evvile Republican! Activist judges. Rule against DC power grab. Shazam! Precedent against such a power grab in the future.
    If this is the system and the rules of the game now, maybe a patriot might use them to his advantage to protect the country from further abuse . . .
  19. “He meant locking up more black and brown folks,” said Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, addressing the City Council here on Wednesday morning. “Just like Republicans, just like right-wingers have always done.”

    Incarceration is a strategy that works; it is one of the few methods at their disposal; and Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, alleged political leader in Chicago, wants to take it off the table from the start ‘Because Racism, and the Wrong people are using it’.

    I didn’t realize the criminal class was so able to put their people in power in Chicago. Maybe that’s part of the problem.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    bomag, I have read on the Second City Cop blog that there are documented money transfers, ie. political donations,between politicians in Chicago and major gangs.
    , @Hibernian
    They've been doing it since at least 1919.
  20. I’m trying to get this straight: it’s OK to send the Feds in provided they issue a report decrying your police department as racist thereby ensuring that said police will further withdraw from doing their jobs which results in more murders of black bodies by black bodies – which is what the Obama administration did, but it’s not OK to send in the Feds to actually try and prevent more murders of black bodies by black bodies because? ? ? ?

    • Replies: @NOTA
    The Justice department can investigate an alleged crime or pattern of civil rights abuses in a local police department, but it's not so clear that translates into being able to put lots of federal policemen on the streets to enforce state laws against murder.
    , @res

    because? ? ? ?
     
    That's easy. Because racism! But don't ask me how to explain how blacks being murdered is less racist than blacks being arrested for committing crimes.
  21. They would smell work boots coming, you don’t want them anywhere else, either….
    wouldn’t be neighborly unless it was Liberia boat tickets…………..
    Go in with
    Census workers
    Food services
    Healthcare workers
    Home services units
    Free Menthols
    Cops, detectives, SWAT to check and fingerprint, pic, and register SS
    Abscond with most guns except in certain situations..

    “lose” some plutonium dust

  22. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government

    Good point, but that’s what we’ve got. The feds have their fingers in all the pies because of purse strings; much time is spent, from local boards to the statehouse, on how to juggle things so they stay eligible for federal funds.

    And the fed judiciary has essentially been packed with activist judges who use the commerce clause etc. to rule in favor of federal oversight on anything. Expanding the brand, so to speak.

  23. The best thing you could do for Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis is institute an aggressive Stop, Question, & Frisk policy. I know that’s considered trampling on the rights of blacks and Hispanics by the New York Times, but it has to decide whether it wants to deal with the reality or pretend that you can govern a large NAM population under principles developed in the Angl0-Scottish Enlightenment and meant for a civilized people.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    The NYT, made their choice decades ago and they are going with the second alternative, forever or until they fold.
  24. Chicago and Illinois is undergoing a financial crisis, so there may be something going on other than Black people. The pension and benefits crisis in most places in the US is possible evidence the system of policing and everything else is falling apart.

    • Replies: @Ed
    All of which are in some shape or form linked in large part to black people.

    1. Blacks generally take more from the system than contribute. Their low incomes don't generate enough taxes. Since their communities are high crime the homes aren't in demand so little comes in the way from their property taxes.

    2. Their social dysfunction leads to higher policing, schooling & other municipal expenses. A good example of this is to compare the sizes of the police forces in Baltimore to Boston. Boston has fewer officers than Baltimore & cost Boston less.

    3. Their voting styles lead to leaders who are often marginal & corrupt. They tend not to hold politicians accountable if they pander to their sense of victimhood. Often time corrupt black leaders will cry racism after beung charged & the community rallies around them.
    , @Joe Schmoe

    Chicago and Illinois is undergoing a financial crisis, so there may be something going on other than Black people. The pension and benefits crisis in most places in the US is possible evidence the system of policing and everything else is falling apart.
     
    I am not so familiar with this. Couldd you explain its connection to murders in the black community in Chicago?
  25. I think he’s just putting the Democratic machine there on blast

  26. Fun fact: I went to junior high with Julie Bosman in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Her father was mayor up until a few years ago.

  27. I’m not sure there is really a problem to solve here. The residents of the ghettos where the vast majority of these murders take place seem to prefer the current situation to the Bad Old Days of stop & frisk/proactive policing. Carry on and let us know when you’d like to try something different.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Exactly, win/win for everyone.
    There was an old 60's Lefty in Los Angeles who used to push the idea that the way to prevent oppression and police brutality in Watts was to have the police act like the Fire Department. They don't patrol the streets looking for fires, they stay in the station house until they are called.
    Back in those days I was naive, so I used to think he was crazy.
  28. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    Declare Chicago to be in a state of rebellion or insurrection. Put the Illinois National Guard under Federal command and order it to occupy Chicago. Put soldiers and armored personnel carriers on the streets. Have them break up any group of more than three people and give them authority to conduct stop and frisk weapons searches. Declare martial law and suspend the operation of the writ of habeus corpus. Criminal trials will be conducted under summary procedures by military-style tribunals.

    These steps might provoke civil war, but it just might be decisive action now would avert a civil war that to me looks increasingly inevitable.

    • Agree: Richard S
    • Disagree: 27 year old, Chrisnonymous
    • LOL: jtgw
    • Troll: Clyde
    • Replies: @NOTA
    That is a precedent that could be used in a lot of very bad ways.
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    You're describing the military junta of my parents' youth. Two wrongs don't make a right.
    , @Richard S
    Watch out for a particular "Reichstag fire" moment he can take advantage of, first. The President has read his history. H T!
    , @res
    First comment I have seen that got all four buttons (Agree, Disagree, LOL, Troll) pushed in response. Well done. Regardless of the merit of your idea.
    , @Jacobite
    It worked in Gary in 1919.
  29. “I will send in the Feds!”

    Eddie Johnson, the police superintendent, told The Chicago Tribune. “I have no idea what he’s talking about.”

    Ba ha ha! Ah, never change, Chicago, you symbol of upright morality and nobility in public service.

    Trump should send in a few mechanized infantry brigades and sweep these troublemakers from the streets.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Richard, Chicago cops call Police Superintendent Edward Johnson, "Special Ed."
  30. Need it be pointed out that the Feds are already in Chicago? The Department of “Justice”, but they’re in Chicago to hinder law enforcement, not to help it.

    So if Trump is not just trolling the Obamanauts and actually wants to reduce Chicago crime, the first step is to pull those Feds out of Chicago.

    Feds who would be helpful in reducing Chicago crime might include RICO investigators and federal prosecutors. Soros-backed racketeers have paid criminals to injure Chicagoans including Chicago police.

    And I hardly need add that the upper levels of the Chicago political administration are rife with corruption, which the City shows no interest in prosecuting, because they’d be prosecuting themselves. The Feds have prosecuted some of this before and could do so again.

  31. Leftists enjoy watching the body count rise. These are their eugenics roots coming out. And they can conveniently blame everything on the NRA. Odd how they want government intrusion in every part of your life but when it comes to rooting out gang bangers — hands off!

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Leftists enjoy watching the body count rise. These are their eugenics roots coming out. And they can conveniently blame everything on the NRA. Odd how they want government intrusion in every part of your life but when it comes to rooting out gang bangers — hands off!"

    The Left sees law abiding White gun owners as the real gangbangers in this country who all need to either get the death penalty or life in prison.
  32. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “If the president of the United States wants to give us money to help

    Hah, there you have it, the inevitable ‘send mo’ money’ routine. Of course the black politicians want to be the ones to distribute that money. The homicide rate represents an opportunity for them.

    “He meant locking up more black and brown folks,” said Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa,

    Locking up the murderers of Chicago would entail that since that’s what they happen to be. This politician is obviously a mental giant to have been able to arrive at this conclusion. Better to let it just go on than to lock up one more black-brown person even if they are a homicide perp. These black-brown politicians are a stupid and venal bunch who will do nothing unless there’s something in it for them. Chicago is unfortunate in that it’s part first world but with a third world attachment for which it has to foot the bill.

  33. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    But there are many levers the federal government can pull to make Illinois comply, in the style of tying highway funds to 55mph speed limits.

  34. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult.

    If you are talking about actually taking over the Chicago police department, then you are probably right.

    But there is no impediment — legal, constitutional, or traditional — to Trump beefing up the FBI presence in Chicago and stepping up enforcement of federal laws against weapon and drug trafficking, racketeering, etc.

    Where I work — NYC — it is very common for the feds to prosecute serious cases involving narcotics, weapons, financial crime, and probably a lot of other stuff.

  35. @Harry Baldwin
    The best thing you could do for Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis is institute an aggressive Stop, Question, & Frisk policy. I know that's considered trampling on the rights of blacks and Hispanics by the New York Times, but it has to decide whether it wants to deal with the reality or pretend that you can govern a large NAM population under principles developed in the Angl0-Scottish Enlightenment and meant for a civilized people.

    The NYT, made their choice decades ago and they are going with the second alternative, forever or until they fold.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, I am boycotting the NYT and WaPo, so I don't click on their articles, but I would like to know if they allowed comments and what was the general feeling of the respondents. Thank you.
  36. @Alfa158
    The NYT, made their choice decades ago and they are going with the second alternative, forever or until they fold.

    Alfa, I am boycotting the NYT and WaPo, so I don’t click on their articles, but I would like to know if they allowed comments and what was the general feeling of the respondents. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    I only look at their articles when they are linked from elsewhere, but I haven't looked at this one yet. As general rule though, what happens is that, despite what their typical readership is like, the comments sections will frequently have a surprisingly large percentage of comments that blast articles that are particularly stupid and PC. These newspapers and others, will often then close the article to new comments, or even simply delete the comments. In the case of articles with particularly "sensitive" contents, the paper will lock out comments from the start. Actual published letters to the editor are usually filtered to only include commenters that agree with the article. This makes sense, most of the people who subscribe to the paper and will send in a letter are people on the West Side who pay hundreds of dollars a year for paper subscriptions and are doctrinaire liberals. The NYT reinforces their bigotries and makes them feel good about themselves.
  37. When the Plantation President and you Plantation Whites gonna admit the cause for the black holocuast is white racist policing! It’s statistically proven that the more white racist the popo the more blacks and Browns are homicided. Detroit. Chirac. Baltimore. This why the so called Ferguson effect you Hitlers always talkin bout. We is being white racismed to death!

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @bomag

    It’s statistically proven...
     
    But staztizticks be racisss.
  38. Quote, “He meant locking up more black and brown folks,” said Alderman Carlos Rameriz-Rosa about Trump’s comment to “send in the Feds.” Chicago has 50 Alder people to help Rahm govern (misgovern?) the city. Each one treats their ward/district as a fiefdom. These people make well over $100k per year plus perks. They have to speak like this to maintain their cred in their ward. Sadly, a short while ago a Chicago US Congressman lost his grandson to a drive by shooting. Apparently, at least according to the people’s representatives , they like to live this way or prove me wrong.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Chicago could economize by following the Los Angeles County model. Use 5 Supervisors instead of 50 Aldermen. Given their fiscal situation (budgets, pensions, litigation payouts, etc) they might be forced to make some of those hard choices soon. Trump would be doing the citizens a favor by providing some air cover or diversion while the choices get proposed. Get the press to vent about those issues while the substantive ones get decided. Why not?
  39. @slumber_j
    Forget it, Steve. It's Chi Town.

    Excellent!

  40. Commenter eD, above, makes the following excellent point, which I find educational:

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. It’s a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    I would bet 99% of Americans don’t know this. I didn’t know this. Chalk this ignorance up to mediocrity, bad education, or media and politicians who have always telegraphed the idea that the federal government can step in anywhere and do anything.

    Similarly, we have always been hypnotized into thinking presidents have the power to do anything, even though we are supposed to have learned in civics class that their power is limited.

    Personally I don’t know why we should be wringing our hands over this carnage. Let them kill each other. I mean, look at who’s shooting whom! It’s who, whom, right?

    We should be thinking about the cops who have always been engaged in a sisyphean effort to push back this jungle violence. This #blackliesmurder-caused, Obama/Holder-facilitated “wave of violence” is the result of federal, media and agitator efforts to intimidate law enforcement.

    What would happen if we just left those hellholes alone? I know, they would become like Haiti. It’s an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them kill each other? No, I know, there are plenty of people and structures of society that will never let that happen.

    Blue Sisyphus is condemned to an eternal push against Black Violence.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Buzz, Golden Border for Sisyphean twice in one comment.
    , @jtgw
    You might be very interested in checking out Brion McClanahan's podcast. He's helped me understand a lot more about the constitutional structure of the US, in particular the primacy of the states. Too many people believe that states' powers are graciously delegated to them by a benevolent central government, when in fact the federal powers are delegated to the central government by the states (though as eD noted, this does not extend down to the local level, as local government powers are also derived from their respective states). According to a strict reading of the constitution, Trump could only send in federal officers to Chicago at the request of Illinois' legislature, or in an emergency, the governor. The mayor or city council do not have the authority to request federal intervention, nor can Congress or the president intervene unilaterally. But as others have noted, a precedent was already set against this by George Washington in his second administration, when he sent in federal troops to quell the Whiskey Rebellion in Pennsylvania, despite the fact that Pennsylvania's legislature and governor did not request intervention.
    , @bomag

    It’s an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them [love] each other?
     
    We get the neocon "invade the world" writ small: it is better to fight them in the ghetto than to fight them when they invade suburbia/nearby gentrified areas. I notice we get "refugees" in the form of section 8 vouchers/affirmative action job shifting, etc., so, as another commentator noted, we really need walls all over the place.
    , @Jefferson
    "What would happen if we just left those hellholes alone? I know, they would become like Haiti. It’s an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them kill each other? No, I know, there are plenty of people and structures of society that will never let that happen."

    The government already leaves those hellholes alone and let them kill each other, hence their extremely high murder rates.
    , @Hillary's medical van
    If anyone wants to stand in the way of your experiment, follow the calumnious lead of Mr. Ramirez-Rosa and call him (or "they") a racist.
  41. @TWalsh2
    I'm trying to get this straight: it's OK to send the Feds in provided they issue a report decrying your police department as racist thereby ensuring that said police will further withdraw from doing their jobs which results in more murders of black bodies by black bodies - which is what the Obama administration did, but it's not OK to send in the Feds to actually try and prevent more murders of black bodies by black bodies because? ? ? ?

    The Justice department can investigate an alleged crime or pattern of civil rights abuses in a local police department, but it’s not so clear that translates into being able to put lots of federal policemen on the streets to enforce state laws against murder.

  42. 1. Gun crimes and drug crimes can be prosecuted by the US Attorney.

    2. The Feds can investigate the corrupt ties between city pols and gangs as alleged by John Kass and others.

    3. I doubt the average civilian living in Gang Enterprise Zones would shed many tears over increased law enforcement.

    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    3. I doubt the average civilian living in Gang Enterprise Zones would shed many tears over increased law enforcement.

    You must be new around here...
    , @flyingtiger
    Arrest the Miegs field wreckers. This alone will help achieve all three of your goals. Someone will have to explain to me why the Feds refuse to enforce their laws in Chicago.
    , @Boomstick
    The federal drug and gun prosecutions are often done in partnership with the local police. The local police do a lot of the arresting and street work, and the feds prosecute and toss into jail. Years ago "Project Exile" in Virginia was the model for this sort of thing. Eg, a felon is arrested by local police while in possession of a gun; he gets jammed up on federal gun charges and is shipped off to a federal prison far, far away. This is unpopular with progressives these days because, surprise, most of the felons arrested with guns and put away are NAMs.

    If the Chicago police leadership is committed to not policing if involves arresting brown people then the federal efforts probably won't go very far.
  43. @Diversity Heretic
    Declare Chicago to be in a state of rebellion or insurrection. Put the Illinois National Guard under Federal command and order it to occupy Chicago. Put soldiers and armored personnel carriers on the streets. Have them break up any group of more than three people and give them authority to conduct stop and frisk weapons searches. Declare martial law and suspend the operation of the writ of habeus corpus. Criminal trials will be conducted under summary procedures by military-style tribunals.

    These steps might provoke civil war, but it just might be decisive action now would avert a civil war that to me looks increasingly inevitable.

    That is a precedent that could be used in a lot of very bad ways.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    The precedent was set by George Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion. Constitutionally, the feds can only intervene to suppress rebellion at the request of the governor.
    , @snorlax
    Wasn't that Rubicon already crossed with respect to racial issues when Ike sent the National Guard to enforce Brown v. Board of Education? Or maybe Reconstruction. And from the other side LBJ, Pappy Bush and Dubya sending the Guard to put down the 1967 Detroit, 1992 LA and 2005 Katrina rioters. And the precedent was set for non-racial issues at least as far back as the Whiskey Rebellion.
  44. There’s that misprint again.

    It’s not “gun violence,” Fake News guys. It’s “gang violence.”

  45. @Busby
    1. Gun crimes and drug crimes can be prosecuted by the US Attorney.

    2. The Feds can investigate the corrupt ties between city pols and gangs as alleged by John Kass and others.

    3. I doubt the average civilian living in Gang Enterprise Zones would shed many tears over increased law enforcement.

    3. I doubt the average civilian living in Gang Enterprise Zones would shed many tears over increased law enforcement.

    You must be new around here…

  46. @Mike Zwick

    Guns flock to those Sides because of the Tragic Dirt, unlike the Magic Dirt on the North Side.
     
    It is ironic that at one time Lincoln Park was known most for being a gang infested Puerto Rican neighborhood and the the most notorious public housing project in Chicago was on the North Side, Cabrini Green. Both the West Side and certain parts of the South Side have seen gentrification start come in. I think that all of the crime will keep real estate prices down in those areas for the near future though. On the other hand, people who see past the present are probably buying up property in the West and South Sides, and will cash in in the future. Developers who took a chance on Lincoln Park when all of the whites were fleeing the FALN riots of the 60's and 70's cashed in the same way when the turn around happened there. I know multipe people people who talk about growing up and living in the Lincoln Park area and they all end the story of their youth by saying, "if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!"

    I cannot believe how much and how fast Lincoln park has improved. I went to visit DePaul university and was chased out by PR gangs. According to congressmen Luis G, the Latin Kings drove out the whites and then the law biding PRs!
    At the time, we thought if a neighborhood goes bad, it stays bad. Now we know how to take back the neighborhoods. I have also seen Bucktown and now Logan Square come back.
    Long live gentrification!

  47. “Whatever Mr. Trump’s intention, his message put the city on the defensive once again for its escalating problem of gun violence, which has been mostly concentrated in neighborhoods on the West and South Sides.”

    “Oh the South Side of Chicago, is the baddest part of town…”–Jim Croce

  48. @Busby
    1. Gun crimes and drug crimes can be prosecuted by the US Attorney.

    2. The Feds can investigate the corrupt ties between city pols and gangs as alleged by John Kass and others.

    3. I doubt the average civilian living in Gang Enterprise Zones would shed many tears over increased law enforcement.

    Arrest the Miegs field wreckers. This alone will help achieve all three of your goals. Someone will have to explain to me why the Feds refuse to enforce their laws in Chicago.

  49. @NOTA
    That is a precedent that could be used in a lot of very bad ways.

    The precedent was set by George Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion. Constitutionally, the feds can only intervene to suppress rebellion at the request of the governor.

    • Replies: @Busby
    Washington was well within his authority to intervene. Federal officers attempting to collect the tax had been assaulted. Because the size of the Army was so small you could muster it in the courtyard of West Point, Washington had recourse to ask governors to call out the militia. They mustered 15,000 men.

    Now, because of the post Civil War Posse Comitatus Act the Army and Air Force may not be employed to enforce domestic laws in the United States. Except by request of a governor or in the case of insurrection or rebellion.
  50. OT, here’s an IStevey article. I assume y’all know how to get behind the WSJ paywall, as permeable as they always say a border wall would be. Hey maybe that’s why they thinks walls don’t work:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/california-housing-crunch-prompts-push-to-allow-building-1485340200

    “Marco Gonzalez spent more than a decade suing real-estate developers in California over housing proposals that would have spoiled wetlands and gutted hillsides. The environmental lawyer won cases that stopped scores of units from being built.

    Now he is on the opposite side, fighting cities and neighborhood groups in Southern California that fail to provide enough new housing units.”

    Blah blah, for 30 years California has built half the number of homes needed to keep up with population growth and keep home price inflation in line with rest of country, blah blah, complex housing laws, blah blah, 49th in housing units per capita, blah blah, in 1970 median price 30% above national average, now 2.5xs national average, blah blah, environmental laws allow residents to challenge development near picturesque coastal regions, blah blah. As Steve Sailer has said, blah blah.

    Just kidding about that last one.

    No mention of immigration. Although you have the lawyer, Mr. Gonzalez, and a developer, a Mr. Habibi, quoted.

  51. @Mike Zwick

    Guns flock to those Sides because of the Tragic Dirt, unlike the Magic Dirt on the North Side.
     
    It is ironic that at one time Lincoln Park was known most for being a gang infested Puerto Rican neighborhood and the the most notorious public housing project in Chicago was on the North Side, Cabrini Green. Both the West Side and certain parts of the South Side have seen gentrification start come in. I think that all of the crime will keep real estate prices down in those areas for the near future though. On the other hand, people who see past the present are probably buying up property in the West and South Sides, and will cash in in the future. Developers who took a chance on Lincoln Park when all of the whites were fleeing the FALN riots of the 60's and 70's cashed in the same way when the turn around happened there. I know multipe people people who talk about growing up and living in the Lincoln Park area and they all end the story of their youth by saying, "if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!"

    What led to the turn around and gentrification?

  52. Robert Stack was a racist. I know for a fact that he used a black caddie one year in the actors’ golf tournament at Riviera. That was the year they somehow “forgot” to invite Buddy Hackett.

  53. “Oh, that’s what Trump meant,” Alderman Carlos Ramierez-Rosa was quoted as saying, as federal investigators crawled up his ass with a flashlight and a clipboard.

    “Oh, now I get it,” Eddie Johnson, police superintendent, told the Tribune, as investigators tickled his colon.

    “So do I,” said Julie Bosman, looking on.

  54. @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, I am boycotting the NYT and WaPo, so I don't click on their articles, but I would like to know if they allowed comments and what was the general feeling of the respondents. Thank you.

    I only look at their articles when they are linked from elsewhere, but I haven’t looked at this one yet. As general rule though, what happens is that, despite what their typical readership is like, the comments sections will frequently have a surprisingly large percentage of comments that blast articles that are particularly stupid and PC. These newspapers and others, will often then close the article to new comments, or even simply delete the comments. In the case of articles with particularly “sensitive” contents, the paper will lock out comments from the start. Actual published letters to the editor are usually filtered to only include commenters that agree with the article. This makes sense, most of the people who subscribe to the paper and will send in a letter are people on the West Side who pay hundreds of dollars a year for paper subscriptions and are doctrinaire liberals. The NYT reinforces their bigotries and makes them feel good about themselves.

  55. Trump’s tweets about Chicago are a lot simpler than is generally recognized here.

    First, he’s trolling them (the press, the Chicago pols, etc.). This is observable from the reactions, e.g. the wonderment of Supt. Eddie Johnson, the send more money of Ald. Brookins, and Ald. Ramirez-Rosa’s Republicans locking up blacks and browns. Instead of addressing the murder rate problem, they are challenging/confronting–even pushing back against–the President.

    The NYT article goes to great length pointing out (inadvertently) this cluelessness–including its own, e.g. as if the DOJ report is substantive, rather than a distraction to change the subject from bodies piling up in the morgue.

    Second, Trump’s opening negotiations on his terms, e.g. his Jan. 2 tweet, “If Mayor can’t do it he must ask for Federal help!” Trump is not going to be caught in a Katrina-like situation where the ankle-biting media puts blame/responsibility on the White House–for not promptly intervening, irrespective of federal-state roles.

    Third, Trump is getting ahead of the partisan politics by directly addressing the topic, so as not to be accused of being insensitive to inner city plight. Trump served it up–ball is now in Chicago’s court. The question now becomes one of how Chicago responds.

    This is how politics are played when you treat the left just as they treat you–instead of being rolled by the left, and accepting the role as gracious and gentlemanly loser.

    • Replies: @Drake
    That's insightful, thank you.
  56. In other news, the NYT reported that the president of Mexico “reiterated his commitment to protect the interests of Mexico and the Mexican people.” The New York Times declined to condemn President Nieto’s “Mexico First” policy, and did not compare President Nieto to Hitler.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/mexico-president-donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-border-wall/index.html

    • LOL: Desiderius
  57. @Dave Pinsen
    It's still amazing to see "President Trump" in the NYT. What a world.

    Yeah, they go through the trouble of telling us Trump watched tv while tweeting, two activities that we’re supposed to believe are beneath the dignity great leaders. But they have to start by calling him “President Trump,” which ruins the effect. This guy shouldn’t be president. I mean, he watches tv and tweets, for Obama’s sake!

    What can you say? President…Trump. They’ve gotta find something else to call him.

  58. This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult.

    IANAL, but I’ve never read anything that would suggest that the feds can’t investigate federal crimes anywhere they please, inside the US. Most of the really juicy stuff is a federal crime.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around

    Bribery, racketeering, conspiracy, etc.; I’m willing to bet these are all federal crimes.

    If you are talking about actually taking over the Chicago police department, then you are probably right.

    But there is no impediment — legal, constitutional, or traditional — to Trump beefing up the FBI presence in Chicago and stepping up enforcement of federal laws against weapon and drug trafficking, racketeering, etc.

    Don’t forget focus. Trump gets to decide where the feds focus their efforts, too.

    The Justice department can investigate an alleged crime or pattern of civil rights abuses in a local police department, but it’s not so clear that translates into being able to put lots of federal policemen on the streets to enforce state laws against murder.

    It’s pretty clear that putting pressure on people is a good way to get them to do what you want.

    The precedent was set by George Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion. Constitutionally, the feds can only intervene to suppress rebellion at the request of the governor.

    “The Constitution ain’t what it used to be” – Abraham Lincoln.

    • Replies: @marty
    In 1988 in federal court in SF I argued that action taken under a federal statute was ultra vires because the statute itself specifically enjoined anything in direct conflict with state law. With a smile the judge said to me, "haven't you ever heard of inherent federal power?" ( I hadn't).
  59. @JerryC
    I'm not sure there is really a problem to solve here. The residents of the ghettos where the vast majority of these murders take place seem to prefer the current situation to the Bad Old Days of stop & frisk/proactive policing. Carry on and let us know when you'd like to try something different.

    Exactly, win/win for everyone.
    There was an old 60’s Lefty in Los Angeles who used to push the idea that the way to prevent oppression and police brutality in Watts was to have the police act like the Fire Department. They don’t patrol the streets looking for fires, they stay in the station house until they are called.
    Back in those days I was naive, so I used to think he was crazy.

  60. @Guy de Champlagne
    Chicago doesn't have the highest murder rate, not by a long shot. It just has the most murders due to having a high rate and a very large population. It makes people look kind of silly focusing on chicago. Doubly silly when they seem to think the high murder rate makes the whole city unlivable.

    http://fox6now.com/2016/11/02/americas-25-murder-capitals-milwaukee-has-10th-highest-murder-rate-of-any-american-city/

    According to your link, Washington DC has a worst murder rate than Chicago! Why doesn’t Trump do something about it, right where he’s living?

  61. @Yak-15
    As a Chicago resident I believe it's time to build a wall here too. Several walls.
  62. @Dave Pinsen
    It's still amazing to see "President Trump" in the NYT. What a world.

    How beautiful that sounds.

    “President Trump.”

    Every time David Brooks hears that, he dies a little bit inside.

  63. @NOTA
    That is a precedent that could be used in a lot of very bad ways.

    Wasn’t that Rubicon already crossed with respect to racial issues when Ike sent the National Guard to enforce Brown v. Board of Education? Or maybe Reconstruction. And from the other side LBJ, Pappy Bush and Dubya sending the Guard to put down the 1967 Detroit, 1992 LA and 2005 Katrina rioters. And the precedent was set for non-racial issues at least as far back as the Whiskey Rebellion.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    National Guard is a state resource activated by the governor--unless federalized by the president. In the referenced uses, I'm pretty certain it was the governors who activated the Guard. States also have mutual aid agreements with the other states so that out-of-state resources (including the National Guard) can be utilized, which necessitates no federal involvement. After all, federal aid amounts (essentially) to writing checks as reimbursement for disaster costs/damages.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Thanks for those points. It would, of course, be much better if the State of Illinois acted, as the governor and state legislature have the authority to do--they could simply abolish the City of Chicago and rule directly from Springfield. But if President Trump is serious about "sending in the Feds," I don't think half-measures are appropriate; he catches all the rhetorical criticism of sterner measures but with no realistic chance of resolving the problem.

    Alternatively, President Trump could declare that black on black violence is of no further concern to the national government and Negro communities will be left alone to sort out their own problems.

    Perilous times call for decisive action, one way or another.
    , @donut
    I'm not sure Reconstruction is a good example for the current discussion . The Southern States had been in rebellion and if I understand correctly really had no say until congress said they did . From Wikpedia : "The Republican Congress established military districts in the South and used Army personnel to administer the region until new governments loyal to the Union could be established. Congress temporarily suspended the ability to vote of approximately 10,000 to 15,000 white men who had been Confederate officials or senior officers, while constitutional amendments gave full citizenship and suffrage to former slaves."
    Kenneth Stampp's "The Era of Reconstruction" is a good book on the subject but OT for this post . However if things keep on the way they are who knows ?
    Another book of Prof. Stampp's "America in 1857: A Nation on the Brink" may be more relevant . I don't think in my 66 years I've ever seen the country this divided . Our differences are irreconcilable in my view and as in 1857 the radical Democrats both North and South are pushing the country towards a violent split . One has to assume from their rhetoric and actions that they look forward to it with relish . Maybe we should too .
  64. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    What are you even talking about? Do you have a PHD in Trump Tweet Studies? Why run with the notion that he’s literally going to take over administration of the municipality of Chicago? That’s presumptuous, and then you pile presumption upon presumption. Why? Because Trump’s gonna be Trump.

    Someone above brought up Ferguson, and there’s a fine example. (Actually, a crappy example, but useful for our purposes.) In that situation, the feds all but arrogated local law enforcement privileges unto itself because civil rights. It presumed to the right to look over all police actions with a fine-toothed comb, as though it were 1965 and the KKK was in charge. And people acted like it was perfectly normal, because Washington’s superpowers derive from race.

    You mentioned the “constitutional rights held by all citizens,” and why couldn’t Trump invoke those, at least as convincingly as wielded by the power-mad civil rights-era Washingtonians? (Who managed to win the phrase “civil rights” for themselves for generations, for the Pete’s sake.) Because it’d be controversial? So was the civil rights movement, as you said.

    But nevermind these questions. Trump doesn’t have to do anything in particular, because his tweet was vague. If he did plow in, Civil War-style, obviously it’d be constitutionally controversial. But who cares, unless or until something like that happens?

    Again, what are we even talking about?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "It presumed to the right to look over all police actions with a fine-toothed comb, as though it were 1965 and the KKK was in charge. And people acted like it was perfectly normal, because Washington’s superpowers derive from race."

    It's perfectly plausible that a 67 percent Negro town like Ferguson would be run by the KKK, sarcasm.
  65. @George
    Chicago and Illinois is undergoing a financial crisis, so there may be something going on other than Black people. The pension and benefits crisis in most places in the US is possible evidence the system of policing and everything else is falling apart.

    All of which are in some shape or form linked in large part to black people.

    1. Blacks generally take more from the system than contribute. Their low incomes don’t generate enough taxes. Since their communities are high crime the homes aren’t in demand so little comes in the way from their property taxes.

    2. Their social dysfunction leads to higher policing, schooling & other municipal expenses. A good example of this is to compare the sizes of the police forces in Baltimore to Boston. Boston has fewer officers than Baltimore & cost Boston less.

    3. Their voting styles lead to leaders who are often marginal & corrupt. They tend not to hold politicians accountable if they pander to their sense of victimhood. Often time corrupt black leaders will cry racism after beung charged & the community rallies around them.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    On balance, and with apologies to the good african-americans who are actually civilized and American, that group has been a massive deadweight loss to Chicago and to our country for the reasons you identify and then some.

    Here in downtown LA, there is almost not a single day when I do not have a black person curse, spit, or swing his first near me while I'm walking around. They seem to have become more aggressive and emboldened since we came to SoCal in the past six years or so. They swear and act menacing and grab their crotch in front of my wife and children.

    They constitute a small percentage of our city and county population, way way way smaller proportion than Chicago or cook county, but are responsible for a great share of our quality of life problems, especially constant intimidation and filth.

    We are not "PREjudiced" but POSTjudiced, because our generalizations are based on long bitter personal experience, not what we heard or read somewhere. Whether on the shores of Lake Michigan or in the LA Basin, our experience is the same, and we do not have to tolerate being treated this way.

    , @Jefferson
    "1. Blacks generally take more from the system than contribute. Their low incomes don’t generate enough taxes."

    Black taxes don't make America go round.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Ed, Excellent. Just Google mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and Detroit to see how the Detroit black community rallied around their corrupt mayor and his equally corrupt Congresswoman mother, who rallied the blacks by saying: "Don't let them do yo boy this way" after he was indicted.
  66. @Diversity Heretic
    Declare Chicago to be in a state of rebellion or insurrection. Put the Illinois National Guard under Federal command and order it to occupy Chicago. Put soldiers and armored personnel carriers on the streets. Have them break up any group of more than three people and give them authority to conduct stop and frisk weapons searches. Declare martial law and suspend the operation of the writ of habeus corpus. Criminal trials will be conducted under summary procedures by military-style tribunals.

    These steps might provoke civil war, but it just might be decisive action now would avert a civil war that to me looks increasingly inevitable.

    You’re describing the military junta of my parents’ youth. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  67. @Guy de Champlagne
    Chicago doesn't have the highest murder rate, not by a long shot. It just has the most murders due to having a high rate and a very large population. It makes people look kind of silly focusing on chicago. Doubly silly when they seem to think the high murder rate makes the whole city unlivable.

    http://fox6now.com/2016/11/02/americas-25-murder-capitals-milwaukee-has-10th-highest-murder-rate-of-any-american-city/

    It has the highest murder rate of major cities–higher than NY or Dallas or Phoenix certainly.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Higher rate in Chicago than LA by far.
  68. @Busby
    1. Gun crimes and drug crimes can be prosecuted by the US Attorney.

    2. The Feds can investigate the corrupt ties between city pols and gangs as alleged by John Kass and others.

    3. I doubt the average civilian living in Gang Enterprise Zones would shed many tears over increased law enforcement.

    The federal drug and gun prosecutions are often done in partnership with the local police. The local police do a lot of the arresting and street work, and the feds prosecute and toss into jail. Years ago “Project Exile” in Virginia was the model for this sort of thing. Eg, a felon is arrested by local police while in possession of a gun; he gets jammed up on federal gun charges and is shipped off to a federal prison far, far away. This is unpopular with progressives these days because, surprise, most of the felons arrested with guns and put away are NAMs.

    If the Chicago police leadership is committed to not policing if involves arresting brown people then the federal efforts probably won’t go very far.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    CPD seems to be a dysfunctional entity above the rank of Sergeant if Second City Cop is accurate.

    The current supervisor is there to function as a sock puppet for Emmanuel's policies.
    , @Lugash
    I'm not enthusiastic about using federal gun laws to clean up Chicago, or any other city. It lets incompetently run cities and states push their problems onto the nation at large. If Rahm wants to pander to BLM, let him deal with the dead bodies.

    If even a tenth of what the Chicago cop blog Second City Cop writes is accurate, then the CPD is so corrupt and hopelessly mismanaged that no amount of federal gibsmedat will make the city safe. They can clean up their own house first, or the feds can come in and RICO them.
  69. @Anon
    It is weird to see the NYT come out somewhat on the side of Chicago. It is usually hostile or condescending to the capital of flyover country.

    Chicago may be the biggest city for a long stretch in middle America, but in no way is it the capital of flyover country or even the Midwest. Normal people increasingly fear Chicago, and it is not as friendly and down to earth as it used to be by a long shot. Yes, I lived there.

    But at least Chicago in places offers almost LA level housing prices, it has stressful polluting time wasting traffic congestion, offset by high taxes and crap weather. Yeah what an attractive example and capital for a region.

    This is not the safe, hardworking Polish and German and Irish city of broad shoulders that some people are remembering, sadly.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Chicago may be the biggest city for a long stretch in middle America, but in no way is it the capital of flyover country or even the Midwest. Normal people increasingly fear Chicago, and it is not as friendly and down to earth as it used to be by a long shot. Yes, I lived there."

    Donald J. Trump definitely did not encounter any Midwestern/Flyover Country politeness the last time he step foot in Chicago.
  70. @GW
    It has the highest murder rate of major cities--higher than NY or Dallas or Phoenix certainly.

    Higher rate in Chicago than LA by far.

  71. OT: Looks like the PC net just caught Seinfeld. He seems to me like a secret iSteve reader or, at least, I suspect he might not be adverse to much that Steve writes.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/jerry-seinfeld-lands-in-hot-water-over-black-lives-matter-tweet/ar-AAmi2sO?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

    As Steve likes to point out, Jews will not get a “victim’s pass” in the coming new order so they might want to reconsider their support.

  72. @Ed
    All of which are in some shape or form linked in large part to black people.

    1. Blacks generally take more from the system than contribute. Their low incomes don't generate enough taxes. Since their communities are high crime the homes aren't in demand so little comes in the way from their property taxes.

    2. Their social dysfunction leads to higher policing, schooling & other municipal expenses. A good example of this is to compare the sizes of the police forces in Baltimore to Boston. Boston has fewer officers than Baltimore & cost Boston less.

    3. Their voting styles lead to leaders who are often marginal & corrupt. They tend not to hold politicians accountable if they pander to their sense of victimhood. Often time corrupt black leaders will cry racism after beung charged & the community rallies around them.

    On balance, and with apologies to the good african-americans who are actually civilized and American, that group has been a massive deadweight loss to Chicago and to our country for the reasons you identify and then some.

    Here in downtown LA, there is almost not a single day when I do not have a black person curse, spit, or swing his first near me while I’m walking around. They seem to have become more aggressive and emboldened since we came to SoCal in the past six years or so. They swear and act menacing and grab their crotch in front of my wife and children.

    They constitute a small percentage of our city and county population, way way way smaller proportion than Chicago or cook county, but are responsible for a great share of our quality of life problems, especially constant intimidation and filth.

    We are not “PREjudiced” but POSTjudiced, because our generalizations are based on long bitter personal experience, not what we heard or read somewhere. Whether on the shores of Lake Michigan or in the LA Basin, our experience is the same, and we do not have to tolerate being treated this way.

  73. @Michaeloh
    When the Plantation President and you Plantation Whites gonna admit the cause for the black holocuast is white racist policing! It's statistically proven that the more white racist the popo the more blacks and Browns are homicided. Detroit. Chirac. Baltimore. This why the so called Ferguson effect you Hitlers always talkin bout. We is being white racismed to death!

    It’s statistically proven…

    But staztizticks be racisss.

  74. The mayor of Chicago can’t fix black crime. Neither can Trump and the feds.

    The mayor and city council of my city tried to fix a blighted and crime infested area here, and all it did was disperse the crime throughout the city, mostly in other lower income areas that were (up until the city’s project) not all that black. It just moved the (mostly black) criminals to other neighborhoods.

    Reducing crime in Chicago will mean either arresting a whole helluva lot of young black men, which will piss off BLM, and the Dems ain’t gonna go for that, or moving a significant number of the criminals out of that area in the name of diversity or opportunity or whatever they’re calling it. It will reduce crime in the afflicted areas – which will get loads of press – but increase it in other areas – which will get no press.

    I say leave Chicago as it is. Let black criminal behavior stay concentrated where it is. Let South Chicago’s crime and violence serve as a permanent reminder of the failure of progressive social justice philosophy.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  75. Trump’s vague threat works and got the big city Chicago libs all riled up. T`rump was poking a stick into an ant mound and stirring. Trump can leave them guessing and fill in the blanks later. Or not.
    Obama sent in the Feds/Justice Department to crush various town and city police departments. So Trump figures he’ll do a variation of this himself. Or perhaps not.

    Keep those libs off balance, flailing about and guessing! lol

  76. @anon
    Steve, I had to google and find The Untouchables to figure out what you meant. We're not all grandpas here, maaaan.

    The Untouchables is a classic, if you haven’t ever watched it you should.

  77. @Yak-15
    As a Chicago resident I believe it's time to build a wall here too. Several walls.

    In Wisconsin they have a joke about that. Only it involves the entire state of Illinois.

  78. @anon
    Steve, I had to google and find The Untouchables to figure out what you meant. We're not all grandpas here, maaaan.

    Isn’t that typical of an anon? Bringing a millennial’s perspective to a middle-aged man’s site?

  79. @Diversity Heretic
    Declare Chicago to be in a state of rebellion or insurrection. Put the Illinois National Guard under Federal command and order it to occupy Chicago. Put soldiers and armored personnel carriers on the streets. Have them break up any group of more than three people and give them authority to conduct stop and frisk weapons searches. Declare martial law and suspend the operation of the writ of habeus corpus. Criminal trials will be conducted under summary procedures by military-style tribunals.

    These steps might provoke civil war, but it just might be decisive action now would avert a civil war that to me looks increasingly inevitable.

    Watch out for a particular “Reichstag fire” moment he can take advantage of, first. The President has read his history. H T!

  80. @Anonymous

    It’s still amazing to see “President Trump” in the NYT. What a world.
     
    Or being on a military base, like I was yesterday, and see President Trump's portrait on the top of the chain of command with "Commander-in-Chief" under his portrait.

    Do the troops generally support our God-Emperor?

  81. The responses to my first comment above were all well argued, and I agree that in practice the principles of federalism and local control have been so violated already that we are probably in a situation where we have to tear the entire structure down and improve it.

    However, street crime and even murder really should be local issues. The Chicago metropolitan area, even without bringing in downstate Illinois, is large enough and wealthy enough to handle this. Same with just the City of Chicago. I’d argue that the people living in south Chicago -and really the violence is confined there- could organize and police themselves. A strategy of containment to the southern part of the city plus support for whatever neighborhood watch groups the locals can get organized should work fine.

    I was just reading that murder wasn’t a federal crime until 1963-64 (it was made one apparently to keep the investigation of the JFK assassination within the federal government), and it took alot of opportunistic federal pols and compliant state pols to give people the idea that the federal government is somehow responsible for street crime, with Nixon and Clinton probably the biggest offenders.

    For that matter, the idea of police being big heavily armed bureaucracies is a pretty modern idea.

  82. @Boomstick
    The federal drug and gun prosecutions are often done in partnership with the local police. The local police do a lot of the arresting and street work, and the feds prosecute and toss into jail. Years ago "Project Exile" in Virginia was the model for this sort of thing. Eg, a felon is arrested by local police while in possession of a gun; he gets jammed up on federal gun charges and is shipped off to a federal prison far, far away. This is unpopular with progressives these days because, surprise, most of the felons arrested with guns and put away are NAMs.

    If the Chicago police leadership is committed to not policing if involves arresting brown people then the federal efforts probably won't go very far.

    CPD seems to be a dysfunctional entity above the rank of Sergeant if Second City Cop is accurate.

    The current supervisor is there to function as a sock puppet for Emmanuel’s policies.

  83. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    You still think States have sovereignty in practice? That’s quaint. The War of Northern Aggression was the death of the concept; misapplications of the Fourteenth Amendment (e.g., Lochner v. New York,) and the Commerce Clause (e.g., Wickard v. Filburn) were it’s burial.

    I applaud you, though; I’m actually pleasantly surprised to see right-minded persons like you still properly understand the structure of the federation Jefferson, Madison et al. constituted, before it was bastardized.

    One pattern that occurs again and again in this context is leftists’ complete lack of consistency and principle:

    – The C.S.A. was an unlawful insurrection, Abraham Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus was swell, as was the federal intervention against States since: forced racial integration, nonsense such as one saw in Ferguson, states’ peace officers preclusion from enforcing federal laws regarding immigration (though they are encouraged – and required! – to enforce “civil rights), the federal dictation of voting districts, etc. ad nauseam; BUT

    – Donald Trump enforcement of longstanding statutes is overreaching, California may secede from the evil federal government; Colorado, California, Washington, etc. can ignore federal statutes regarding controlled substances; countless cities can defy federal law regarding immigration; California, Chicago, etc, can effectively abnegate citizens’ federally guaranteed right to bear arms (notwithstanding the righteous application of the Fourteenth Amendment to deny other states the decision to not have white children assaulted by black children in schools)….

    One could go on and on. It’s all much more concisely put in observations attributed to men who understood the reality of this stuff:

    “The Pope! How many divisions has he got?” – Joseph Stalin

    “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” – Mao Tse-Tung

    High-minded principles and flowery language count for nothing; they never have. It all remains down to raw power, no more or less than it did in the neolithic or bronze ages. People foolishly believe otherwise because in the interim the rulers have become clever enough to know deceiving people into believing they are free is less hassle than beating them to remind them they are not. Conservative persons, for a very long time, have placed faith in principles and platitudes whilst leftists were offering violence – both political and physical – with no quarter. The worm is turning, hence the conniption fits on the left. It’s all very well and good to accost a man who has taken an oath to be peaceful, smugly assured the victim will not retaliate, but if once that man realises his moral resolve against aggression does not preclude defence, the bully who started it all quickly discovers and invokes the moral imperative against aggression. This phenomenon is unfolding now with the left’s hand-wringing about what Trump’s administration can and cannot do based upon principles they themselves never observed when they controlled the government.

  84. @snorlax
    Wasn't that Rubicon already crossed with respect to racial issues when Ike sent the National Guard to enforce Brown v. Board of Education? Or maybe Reconstruction. And from the other side LBJ, Pappy Bush and Dubya sending the Guard to put down the 1967 Detroit, 1992 LA and 2005 Katrina rioters. And the precedent was set for non-racial issues at least as far back as the Whiskey Rebellion.

    National Guard is a state resource activated by the governor–unless federalized by the president. In the referenced uses, I’m pretty certain it was the governors who activated the Guard. States also have mutual aid agreements with the other states so that out-of-state resources (including the National Guard) can be utilized, which necessitates no federal involvement. After all, federal aid amounts (essentially) to writing checks as reimbursement for disaster costs/damages.

  85. @Boomstick
    The federal drug and gun prosecutions are often done in partnership with the local police. The local police do a lot of the arresting and street work, and the feds prosecute and toss into jail. Years ago "Project Exile" in Virginia was the model for this sort of thing. Eg, a felon is arrested by local police while in possession of a gun; he gets jammed up on federal gun charges and is shipped off to a federal prison far, far away. This is unpopular with progressives these days because, surprise, most of the felons arrested with guns and put away are NAMs.

    If the Chicago police leadership is committed to not policing if involves arresting brown people then the federal efforts probably won't go very far.

    I’m not enthusiastic about using federal gun laws to clean up Chicago, or any other city. It lets incompetently run cities and states push their problems onto the nation at large. If Rahm wants to pander to BLM, let him deal with the dead bodies.

    If even a tenth of what the Chicago cop blog Second City Cop writes is accurate, then the CPD is so corrupt and hopelessly mismanaged that no amount of federal gibsmedat will make the city safe. They can clean up their own house first, or the feds can come in and RICO them.

    • Replies: @Hubbub
    As an Illini, I can say with some degree of certainty that Chicago is uncleanupable. Best let it fester, and try to contain the infection until the city dies. Do not attempt to do 'good' toward this blighted metropolis; it will be in vain, for the town is Hell itself. Do not throw money at it, do not send in the armed forces, but simply let it die from its own corruptness. It must be destroyed and the ground left barren unto the third generation before it is permitted to rebuild.

    With the return of the natives from D.C., you should only expect life to become more of what it already is in the Windy City on the Lake.
  86. @Anon
    It is weird to see the NYT come out somewhat on the side of Chicago. It is usually hostile or condescending to the capital of flyover country.

    “It is weird to see the NYT come out somewhat on the side of Chicago. It is usually hostile or condescending to the capital of flyover country.”

    Chicago is not culturally part of Flyover Country. Chicago has more culturally in common with Los Angeles than with Lincoln, Nebraska.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Chicago is not culturally part of Flyover Country. Chicago has more culturally in common with Los Angeles than with Lincoln, Nebraska.
     
    Chicago is where people go who think they're too good for the places they grew up, but who don't want to have to deal with the coasts.

    These days it's mostly dork drain with some residual babe drain among the more slow-witted.
  87. @snorlax
    Wasn't that Rubicon already crossed with respect to racial issues when Ike sent the National Guard to enforce Brown v. Board of Education? Or maybe Reconstruction. And from the other side LBJ, Pappy Bush and Dubya sending the Guard to put down the 1967 Detroit, 1992 LA and 2005 Katrina rioters. And the precedent was set for non-racial issues at least as far back as the Whiskey Rebellion.

    Thanks for those points. It would, of course, be much better if the State of Illinois acted, as the governor and state legislature have the authority to do–they could simply abolish the City of Chicago and rule directly from Springfield. But if President Trump is serious about “sending in the Feds,” I don’t think half-measures are appropriate; he catches all the rhetorical criticism of sterner measures but with no realistic chance of resolving the problem.

    Alternatively, President Trump could declare that black on black violence is of no further concern to the national government and Negro communities will be left alone to sort out their own problems.

    Perilous times call for decisive action, one way or another.

  88. Dear Steve,

    By saying what you say from time to time about the Jews as a collectivity without individual agency is a slap in my face, an insult. You would never say “the English believe such and such.” How, as a fair man, can you not see this an intellectual error mixed together with a stew of unexpressed feelings of the sort that color everyone’s so-called objective thought?

    I don’t expect you to okay this as a comment, I merely intend it as a vehicle of communication. I really enjoy your insights and have learnt a lot, but hopefully my self-respect as one of ((them)) will keep me from encountering another of your writings about how the jews do/believe this or that. I don’t need the gratuitous insult.

    Respectfully,
    Mike Exxx
    Austin
    512-4xxx

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, Do you want us to call you? And why post as Anonymous and then leave your name and phone number? But thanks, truly, for stopping by.
    , @donut
    Insert donut's standard standard anti-Semitic reply here .
    , @mobi

    You would never say “the English believe such and such.
     
    Surely, you must be joking.

    (That's practically all Steve does, in effect).
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Although your posting of personal information here is evidence to the contrary, and in spite of your assertion of individual agency, I'm fairly sure you possess enough of the stereotypical, vaunted intelligence to at least understand that there are five stages of grief.

    You appear to be in the bargaining stage.

    You can expect depression to occur fairly soon. Then, if you're lucky, acceptance of the law of averages will follow.

    PS: We all should accept the scientific averages, as well as our own evidence of experience. And yes, we can say "the English believe" they are more civilized, for example. (That's it, isn't it?) Everyone has his strengths and weaknesses, his talents and foibles. I can accept those of people like me. Can you?

    I have an urge now to apologize for being harsh, but that's just the 3/4 goy in me wanting to be nice. (So I'll give you 3/4 of an apology.) It's all good. Be well.

    , @guest
    People routinely, on this site and others, say "the English/Frenchmen/whites/blacks/bikers/lesbians/Stanley Kubrick enthusiasts/dental hygienists/methamphetamine addicts/whatever believe such and such," without fear of breaking the social contract or violating the sacred honor of Truth. Not that there can't be backlash, but not usually on the grounds improper collectivity and denial of individual agency. More likely on the grounds that a group you maligned (in their eyes) is higher on the hierarchy than your group(s).

    Your post reeks of special pleading. This resembles the lament I often hear from Israel defenders, complaining that their nation is held to a higher standard than others. For instance, when they "disproportionately" retaliate against terrorist attacks. What they're really seeking is for the world to hold them to lower standards, because they're Israel, damnit, and they're special.
  89. Obama sends Feds into a city: totally necessary and normal.

    Trump sends Feds into a city: unprecedented!

    • Replies: @Rod1963
    Yep, I sure didn't see this outcry from folks when Obama was forcing states to take Muslim refugees or using the DOJ to bully towns who wanted tougher screening on Section 8 renters or intimidating police forces.

    Selective outrage at it's finest.
  90. @anon
    Steve, I had to google and find The Untouchables to figure out what you meant. We're not all grandpas here, maaaan.

    Steve, I had to google and find The Untouchables to figure out what you meant. We’re not all grandpas here, maaaan.

    Those old TV shows were daytime reruns when I was ten years old, and I’m 64 next month. You should watch some of them for laughs. Of course Elliott Ness and his G-men were the heroes, but my favorite gangster was Frank Nitti. I liked his black shirt and white tie.

    • Replies: @donut
    That's odd . I'm 66 and remember watching them weekly in primetime with my grand parents who had lived through those times . BTW Frank Nitti killed himself rather than return to prison .
  91. @Mike Zwick

    Guns flock to those Sides because of the Tragic Dirt, unlike the Magic Dirt on the North Side.
     
    It is ironic that at one time Lincoln Park was known most for being a gang infested Puerto Rican neighborhood and the the most notorious public housing project in Chicago was on the North Side, Cabrini Green. Both the West Side and certain parts of the South Side have seen gentrification start come in. I think that all of the crime will keep real estate prices down in those areas for the near future though. On the other hand, people who see past the present are probably buying up property in the West and South Sides, and will cash in in the future. Developers who took a chance on Lincoln Park when all of the whites were fleeing the FALN riots of the 60's and 70's cashed in the same way when the turn around happened there. I know multipe people people who talk about growing up and living in the Lincoln Park area and they all end the story of their youth by saying, "if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!"

    Mike, Follow the money trail. Cabrini Green and I think the Taylor projects were demolished in a failed bid to land the Olympics. Among those involved were, Barack Obama, Oprah, Valerie Jarret, Rahm Emmanuel and the Pritzkers. Chicago send Michelle O and Oprah with their bid. See who profits from the vacant land.

    • Replies: @Ivy

    See who profits from the vacant land.
     
    Also see how the Real Estate Reverends milk the system. There is a big trough of money funded by everyone else. Play your cards right and you could be sitting on a portfolio, collecting rents, getting an advisory fee or two, and otherwise being paid to look the other way and stay relatively silent. Variations on the theme played out across big eastern cities for a few generations.
  92. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    eD, Some of these gangs have a documented existence that spans years if not decades. Hammer them with the RICO laws.

  93. @bomag

    “He meant locking up more black and brown folks,” said Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, addressing the City Council here on Wednesday morning. “Just like Republicans, just like right-wingers have always done.”
     
    Incarceration is a strategy that works; it is one of the few methods at their disposal; and Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, alleged political leader in Chicago, wants to take it off the table from the start 'Because Racism, and the Wrong people are using it'.

    I didn't realize the criminal class was so able to put their people in power in Chicago. Maybe that's part of the problem.

    bomag, I have read on the Second City Cop blog that there are documented money transfers, ie. political donations,between politicians in Chicago and major gangs.

  94. @Ed
    All of which are in some shape or form linked in large part to black people.

    1. Blacks generally take more from the system than contribute. Their low incomes don't generate enough taxes. Since their communities are high crime the homes aren't in demand so little comes in the way from their property taxes.

    2. Their social dysfunction leads to higher policing, schooling & other municipal expenses. A good example of this is to compare the sizes of the police forces in Baltimore to Boston. Boston has fewer officers than Baltimore & cost Boston less.

    3. Their voting styles lead to leaders who are often marginal & corrupt. They tend not to hold politicians accountable if they pander to their sense of victimhood. Often time corrupt black leaders will cry racism after beung charged & the community rallies around them.

    “1. Blacks generally take more from the system than contribute. Their low incomes don’t generate enough taxes.”

    Black taxes don’t make America go round.

  95. @Richard S

    “I will send in the Feds!”
     

    Eddie Johnson, the police superintendent, told The Chicago Tribune. “I have no idea what he’s talking about.”
     
    Ba ha ha! Ah, never change, Chicago, you symbol of upright morality and nobility in public service.

    Trump should send in a few mechanized infantry brigades and sweep these troublemakers from the streets.

    Richard, Chicago cops call Police Superintendent Edward Johnson, “Special Ed.”

    • Replies: @Richard S
    May God protect and save the men of the Chicago P.D.

    Prediction: The 50th anniversary of the 1968 terror-sedition being put down will be celebrated in a grand style. The times they have-a changed.

    O/T, did you see Trump with English PM May? Thatcher she ain't! She and the BBC propaganda-harpy were both literally "literally shaking" in the charismatic Presence.
    , @Jack O'Fire
    Special Ed probably fits.

    Steve has been silent on Shaun King lately. Yesterday on 4chan/pol/ they had series of tweets where he found out that all the major dem congressmen/senators have only ONE black senior staffer!

    What really made me laugh about the thread in particular was they rolled out a new nickname for Shaun King. They call him "Talcum X"

    HA HA HA...
  96. @Buzz Mohawk
    Commenter eD, above, makes the following excellent point, which I find educational:

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. It's a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.
     
    I would bet 99% of Americans don't know this. I didn't know this. Chalk this ignorance up to mediocrity, bad education, or media and politicians who have always telegraphed the idea that the federal government can step in anywhere and do anything.

    Similarly, we have always been hypnotized into thinking presidents have the power to do anything, even though we are supposed to have learned in civics class that their power is limited.

    Personally I don't know why we should be wringing our hands over this carnage. Let them kill each other. I mean, look at who's shooting whom! It's who, whom, right?

    We should be thinking about the cops who have always been engaged in a sisyphean effort to push back this jungle violence. This #blackliesmurder-caused, Obama/Holder-facilitated "wave of violence" is the result of federal, media and agitator efforts to intimidate law enforcement.

    What would happen if we just left those hellholes alone? I know, they would become like Haiti. It's an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them kill each other? No, I know, there are plenty of people and structures of society that will never let that happen.

    Blue Sisyphus is condemned to an eternal push against Black Violence.

    Buzz, Golden Border for Sisyphean twice in one comment.

  97. @Buzz Mohawk
    Commenter eD, above, makes the following excellent point, which I find educational:

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. It's a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.
     
    I would bet 99% of Americans don't know this. I didn't know this. Chalk this ignorance up to mediocrity, bad education, or media and politicians who have always telegraphed the idea that the federal government can step in anywhere and do anything.

    Similarly, we have always been hypnotized into thinking presidents have the power to do anything, even though we are supposed to have learned in civics class that their power is limited.

    Personally I don't know why we should be wringing our hands over this carnage. Let them kill each other. I mean, look at who's shooting whom! It's who, whom, right?

    We should be thinking about the cops who have always been engaged in a sisyphean effort to push back this jungle violence. This #blackliesmurder-caused, Obama/Holder-facilitated "wave of violence" is the result of federal, media and agitator efforts to intimidate law enforcement.

    What would happen if we just left those hellholes alone? I know, they would become like Haiti. It's an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them kill each other? No, I know, there are plenty of people and structures of society that will never let that happen.

    Blue Sisyphus is condemned to an eternal push against Black Violence.

    You might be very interested in checking out Brion McClanahan’s podcast. He’s helped me understand a lot more about the constitutional structure of the US, in particular the primacy of the states. Too many people believe that states’ powers are graciously delegated to them by a benevolent central government, when in fact the federal powers are delegated to the central government by the states (though as eD noted, this does not extend down to the local level, as local government powers are also derived from their respective states). According to a strict reading of the constitution, Trump could only send in federal officers to Chicago at the request of Illinois’ legislature, or in an emergency, the governor. The mayor or city council do not have the authority to request federal intervention, nor can Congress or the president intervene unilaterally. But as others have noted, a precedent was already set against this by George Washington in his second administration, when he sent in federal troops to quell the Whiskey Rebellion in Pennsylvania, despite the fact that Pennsylvania’s legislature and governor did not request intervention.

  98. @Buzz Mohawk
    Commenter eD, above, makes the following excellent point, which I find educational:

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. It's a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.
     
    I would bet 99% of Americans don't know this. I didn't know this. Chalk this ignorance up to mediocrity, bad education, or media and politicians who have always telegraphed the idea that the federal government can step in anywhere and do anything.

    Similarly, we have always been hypnotized into thinking presidents have the power to do anything, even though we are supposed to have learned in civics class that their power is limited.

    Personally I don't know why we should be wringing our hands over this carnage. Let them kill each other. I mean, look at who's shooting whom! It's who, whom, right?

    We should be thinking about the cops who have always been engaged in a sisyphean effort to push back this jungle violence. This #blackliesmurder-caused, Obama/Holder-facilitated "wave of violence" is the result of federal, media and agitator efforts to intimidate law enforcement.

    What would happen if we just left those hellholes alone? I know, they would become like Haiti. It's an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them kill each other? No, I know, there are plenty of people and structures of society that will never let that happen.

    Blue Sisyphus is condemned to an eternal push against Black Violence.

    It’s an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them [love] each other?

    We get the neocon “invade the world” writ small: it is better to fight them in the ghetto than to fight them when they invade suburbia/nearby gentrified areas. I notice we get “refugees” in the form of section 8 vouchers/affirmative action job shifting, etc., so, as another commentator noted, we really need walls all over the place.

  99. @Ed
    All of which are in some shape or form linked in large part to black people.

    1. Blacks generally take more from the system than contribute. Their low incomes don't generate enough taxes. Since their communities are high crime the homes aren't in demand so little comes in the way from their property taxes.

    2. Their social dysfunction leads to higher policing, schooling & other municipal expenses. A good example of this is to compare the sizes of the police forces in Baltimore to Boston. Boston has fewer officers than Baltimore & cost Boston less.

    3. Their voting styles lead to leaders who are often marginal & corrupt. They tend not to hold politicians accountable if they pander to their sense of victimhood. Often time corrupt black leaders will cry racism after beung charged & the community rallies around them.

    Ed, Excellent. Just Google mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and Detroit to see how the Detroit black community rallied around their corrupt mayor and his equally corrupt Congresswoman mother, who rallied the blacks by saying: “Don’t let them do yo boy this way” after he was indicted.

    • Replies: @donut
    Maybe they rallied the corrupt press rather than the Black community . I mean after all who rallied around Barry and Cankles ? The community or the press ?
  100. @Mike Zwick

    Guns flock to those Sides because of the Tragic Dirt, unlike the Magic Dirt on the North Side.
     
    It is ironic that at one time Lincoln Park was known most for being a gang infested Puerto Rican neighborhood and the the most notorious public housing project in Chicago was on the North Side, Cabrini Green. Both the West Side and certain parts of the South Side have seen gentrification start come in. I think that all of the crime will keep real estate prices down in those areas for the near future though. On the other hand, people who see past the present are probably buying up property in the West and South Sides, and will cash in in the future. Developers who took a chance on Lincoln Park when all of the whites were fleeing the FALN riots of the 60's and 70's cashed in the same way when the turn around happened there. I know multipe people people who talk about growing up and living in the Lincoln Park area and they all end the story of their youth by saying, "if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!"

    I know multipe people people who talk about growing up and living in the Lincoln Park area and they all end the story of their youth by saying, “if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!”

    Yeah, Lincoln Park’s a lovely area now days. It seems hard to believe it ever wasn’t.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    It seems hard to believe it ever wasn’t
     
    This is what I think of when I think of Lincoln Park:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlCC1GOwFw
    , @Ivy

    “if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!”
     
    Many of those stories should be reworded along the lines of "if I wasn't in fear for my life and had to flee that building I lived in, I would be rich today".
  101. @Dr. X

    “He meant locking up more black and brown folks,” said Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, addressing the City Council here on Wednesday morning. “Just like Republicans, just like right-wingers have always done.”
     
    Yeah, Republicans have always done that. Just look at all the Negroes that Lincoln locked up. And remember how Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock to lock up all the black and brown people, after Republican Chief Justice Earl Warren ordered them all to be locked up? Sheesh...

    Dr. X:

    All the reason to hold the Republican Party in well deserved contempt starting with Lincoln, the unindicted War Criminal, through Earl Warren, the chief drum beater for Japanese American incarceration in World War II.

  102. OT: Here’s a fun example of the state of our press. Left as an exercise for the reader to decide if they are lying or just stupid (actually I lean towards both as an explanation):
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

    Looking within the article

    Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November. He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton, who received about 2.8 million more votes than Mr. Trump.

    Mr. Richman calculated that Mrs. Clinton would have collected 81 percent of noncitizen votes.

    We can calculate (yes, I know the approximations don’t justify the number of significant digits) 1,280,000 total noncitizen votes with 1,036,800 votes for Hillary and 243,200 votes for Trump.
    So not only is the headline literally wrong they manage to understate the problem by counting votes for Trump as an offsetting positive (now that’s funny).

    Then there is the spin of “not a problem” that permeates the article. Well I guess they at least made it possible for discerning readers to understand.

    More from the professor behind the work. First, some virtue signaling:
    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/stop-citing-our-work-virginia-professor-says-trumps-twisting-his-research-on-non-citizen-voting/
    which contains this gem:

    The researchers found that 6.4 percent of non-citizens actually voted in 2008 and another 2.2 percent in 2010.

    Does that mean 2.2% or 8.6% in 2010 or what? I suppose it could be much lower because 2010 was a non-presidential election year.

    And here is his blog with this article (updated today):
    https://fs.wp.odu.edu/jrichman/2016/11/28/is-it-plausible-that-non-citizen-votes-account-for-the-entire-margin-of-trumps-popular-vote-loss-to-clinton/

  103. @Buffalo Joe
    Richard, Chicago cops call Police Superintendent Edward Johnson, "Special Ed."

    May God protect and save the men of the Chicago P.D.

    Prediction: The 50th anniversary of the 1968 terror-sedition being put down will be celebrated in a grand style. The times they have-a changed.

    O/T, did you see Trump with English PM May? Thatcher she ain’t! She and the BBC propaganda-harpy were both literally “literally shaking” in the charismatic Presence.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    Trump with English PM May? Thatcher she ain’t! She and the BBC propaganda-harpy were both literally “literally shaking” in the charismatic Presence.
     
    oh please, post a link

    that sounds priceless
  104. @Anonymouse
    Dear Steve,

    By saying what you say from time to time about the Jews as a collectivity without individual agency is a slap in my face, an insult. You would never say "the English believe such and such." How, as a fair man, can you not see this an intellectual error mixed together with a stew of unexpressed feelings of the sort that color everyone's so-called objective thought?

    I don't expect you to okay this as a comment, I merely intend it as a vehicle of communication. I really enjoy your insights and have learnt a lot, but hopefully my self-respect as one of ((them)) will keep me from encountering another of your writings about how the jews do/believe this or that. I don't need the gratuitous insult.

    Respectfully,
    Mike Exxx
    Austin
    512-4xxx

    Anon, Do you want us to call you? And why post as Anonymous and then leave your name and phone number? But thanks, truly, for stopping by.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I am surprised that my comment was okayed. The phone number was merely to give Steve the option to call me and promise he would stop insulting ((me)).

    Mike in Austin
  105. @Buffalo Joe
    bomag, I have read on the Second City Cop blog that there are documented money transfers, ie. political donations,between politicians in Chicago and major gangs.
  106. @Svigor

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult.
     
    IANAL, but I've never read anything that would suggest that the feds can't investigate federal crimes anywhere they please, inside the US. Most of the really juicy stuff is a federal crime.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around
     
    Bribery, racketeering, conspiracy, etc.; I'm willing to bet these are all federal crimes.

    If you are talking about actually taking over the Chicago police department, then you are probably right.

    But there is no impediment — legal, constitutional, or traditional — to Trump beefing up the FBI presence in Chicago and stepping up enforcement of federal laws against weapon and drug trafficking, racketeering, etc.
     
    Don't forget focus. Trump gets to decide where the feds focus their efforts, too.

    The Justice department can investigate an alleged crime or pattern of civil rights abuses in a local police department, but it’s not so clear that translates into being able to put lots of federal policemen on the streets to enforce state laws against murder.
     
    It's pretty clear that putting pressure on people is a good way to get them to do what you want.

    The precedent was set by George Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion. Constitutionally, the feds can only intervene to suppress rebellion at the request of the governor.
     
    "The Constitution ain't what it used to be" - Abraham Lincoln.

    In 1988 in federal court in SF I argued that action taken under a federal statute was ultra vires because the statute itself specifically enjoined anything in direct conflict with state law. With a smile the judge said to me, “haven’t you ever heard of inherent federal power?” ( I hadn’t).

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    You had not because (as you and I know) no such animal exists. The federal government has only those powers enumerated in the federal constitution. The judge you dealt with, like so many other federal judges before and since, was making things up to usurp to himself authority he does not legitimately have.

    Jurists of principle, such as Antonin Scalia, are forever pointing this stuff out, but they are outnumbered and largely ignored; recall John Ely's irrefutable observation that "substantive due process" makes as much sense as "green pastel redness."
  107. @Wilkey
    Obama sends Feds into a city: totally necessary and normal.

    Trump sends Feds into a city: unprecedented!

    Yep, I sure didn’t see this outcry from folks when Obama was forcing states to take Muslim refugees or using the DOJ to bully towns who wanted tougher screening on Section 8 renters or intimidating police forces.

    Selective outrage at it’s finest.

  108. @RadicalCenter
    Chicago may be the biggest city for a long stretch in middle America, but in no way is it the capital of flyover country or even the Midwest. Normal people increasingly fear Chicago, and it is not as friendly and down to earth as it used to be by a long shot. Yes, I lived there.

    But at least Chicago in places offers almost LA level housing prices, it has stressful polluting time wasting traffic congestion, offset by high taxes and crap weather. Yeah what an attractive example and capital for a region.

    This is not the safe, hardworking Polish and German and Irish city of broad shoulders that some people are remembering, sadly.

    “Chicago may be the biggest city for a long stretch in middle America, but in no way is it the capital of flyover country or even the Midwest. Normal people increasingly fear Chicago, and it is not as friendly and down to earth as it used to be by a long shot. Yes, I lived there.”

    Donald J. Trump definitely did not encounter any Midwestern/Flyover Country politeness the last time he step foot in Chicago.

  109. OT: Google is throwing keggers in DC for Republicans. Sick of winning yet?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/technology/google-in-post-obama-era-aggressively-woos-republicans.html?_r=0

    • Replies: @Ivy

    Google is throwing keggers in DC for Republicans. Sick of winning yet?
     
    "We're not hosting an intergalactic kegger down here."

    (but it seems like it)
  110. I do not consider BHO a Chicagoan. Sure, he lived here for awhile. But he was born elsewhere. He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii. His bigher education was in California, New York, and Massachusetts. He carpet-bagged here for a few years. Now that (Saints be praised!) he’s out of the White House, he’s not coming back. He’s not one of us. Never really was.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    MBlanc, Nor was Hillary ever a New Yorker. Another carpetbagger from the left wing.
  111. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “What could possibly be the common denominator among Chicago, St. Louis, and Baltimore that causes their homicide rate to soar post-Ferguson?”

    Blame Game can get out of control, but we suffer from Blame Shame of PC.

    PC says three groups are holy: Jews, Homos, and Blacks. So, even to blame them for what they do wrong is shameful.

    So, what killed the homos? HIV but how did it spread? Uh… Reagan’s Indifference. I think the medical association will categorize it as a disease.

    A mother: “Doctor, what did my gay son die of?”

    Doctor: “Ma’am, he succumbed to Reagan’s Indifferitis.”

    [MORE]

    Remember… we can never blame the homos.

    Same with Jews. Though Jews made a sport of blaming Wasp for EVERYTHING, we must still blame ‘white privilege’ when so many social ills are now the result of Jewish power. Now, some Jews are willing to say that maybe anti-Zionism isn’t necessarily ‘antisemitism’. But this doesn’t address the core issue since the bulk of Jewish Power isn’t in Israel but in the US. So, even if Jews concede that anti-Zionism may be legit, they stick to the position that ANY criticism of Jewish Power OUTSIDE Israel is indeed ‘antisemitic’ and need to be shut down.

    And then we have blacks. BLM is surely the most surreal movement of the 21st century.
    When it comes to feminism and Rape Culture, it’s not as effective since, most feminists being white females, they can still be somewhat bashed and ridiculed. ‘Misogyny’ isn’t a cardinal sin. Women haven’t been sanctified like Jews, homos, and blacks, not least because much of pop culture is committed to exploiting women as pieces of meat. Liberal Pop Media prefer women as whores than righteous prudes.

    But blacks do have holiness, and BLM is just totally unreal. How the most thuggish, dangerous, and murderous people, the blacks, get to accuse America of their own high death rates is truly a sight to behold. The tortured logic that would elevate Michael Brown of all people into a ‘gentle giant’.
    The idea that the lunatics burning down cities are ‘peaceful protesters’.
    And even after police men got murdered, the same mantras over and over.

    But blacks are holy through the cult of MLK, and that means blame shame for anyone who blames the right people in this equation.

    Even Trump is part of this blame shame culture. Rahm is a punk, but he is NOT responsible for this mayhem. Of course, Rahm himself will blame EVERYONE but the blacks.

    I blame the blacks.

    In communist societies, good noble communists didn’t kill innocent people.
    So, if innocents died…

    1. They didn’t die. It never happened. Just move along and pretend you saw nothing.

    2. They were capitalist Nazi spies and deserved to die.

    3. They were killed by capitalist sabotage monsters who must be exposed.

  112. @guest
    What are you even talking about? Do you have a PHD in Trump Tweet Studies? Why run with the notion that he's literally going to take over administration of the municipality of Chicago? That's presumptuous, and then you pile presumption upon presumption. Why? Because Trump's gonna be Trump.

    Someone above brought up Ferguson, and there's a fine example. (Actually, a crappy example, but useful for our purposes.) In that situation, the feds all but arrogated local law enforcement privileges unto itself because civil rights. It presumed to the right to look over all police actions with a fine-toothed comb, as though it were 1965 and the KKK was in charge. And people acted like it was perfectly normal, because Washington's superpowers derive from race.

    You mentioned the "constitutional rights held by all citizens," and why couldn't Trump invoke those, at least as convincingly as wielded by the power-mad civil rights-era Washingtonians? (Who managed to win the phrase "civil rights" for themselves for generations, for the Pete's sake.) Because it'd be controversial? So was the civil rights movement, as you said.

    But nevermind these questions. Trump doesn't have to do anything in particular, because his tweet was vague. If he did plow in, Civil War-style, obviously it'd be constitutionally controversial. But who cares, unless or until something like that happens?

    Again, what are we even talking about?

    “It presumed to the right to look over all police actions with a fine-toothed comb, as though it were 1965 and the KKK was in charge. And people acted like it was perfectly normal, because Washington’s superpowers derive from race.”

    It’s perfectly plausible that a 67 percent Negro town like Ferguson would be run by the KKK, sarcasm.

  113. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, Do you want us to call you? And why post as Anonymous and then leave your name and phone number? But thanks, truly, for stopping by.

    I am surprised that my comment was okayed. The phone number was merely to give Steve the option to call me and promise he would stop insulting ((me)).

    Mike in Austin

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Do you want me to edit out your phone number?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Mike, There is a line in the comment box where you can add your email address and Steve could contact you that way. By the way could you just type in your SS# too. And maybe a pin number.
  114. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The #1 problem and catalyst of the current mess was the video of Laquan McDonald which showed an officer several feet away emptying 16 shots into the ‘youth’. This plus the settlement with the ACLU that effectively ended proactive contacts with the police.

    The Justice Department rushed out the Chicago report to beat Obama out of office. Now Rahm says he still wants to sign a consent decree, regardless of its merits. Go figure.

    However, Eddie Johnson — Superintendent Special Ed — has been bitching and moaning about the extensive rap sheets that turn up on both the victims and perps of the homicides. Including multiple gun violations. A Federal enforcement of gun violations would be a help. In the ‘bad old days’ when everyone was happy to fill up prisons, police could convict and jail highly dangerous and violent suspected murders on less serious charges. Worst case, a drug beef, if nothing else. But now, there seems to be virtually a quota system and only the worst of the worst get significant jail time.

    The latest shooting written up here was by a rival gang at a memorial service. With some proactive policing, there was frequently a serious effort to reduce retaliation killings. The cops would do something about the killer and threaten to come down hard on retaliation. It didn’t always work, but consider the alternative. One murder turns into two, into three, etc.

    There is a lot more going on than that, but once the police gave up on enforcement in the worst black neighborhoods, the numbers rose quickly.

    A final tidbit. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-obama-reduces-gangster-disciples-sentence-20170118-story.html

    I was waiting for Obama to release the next Willie Horton. Chicago had done/tried everything at one time or another. The RICO’ed a bunch of the worst. But then, there seemed to be a devolution of gangs to younger, less organized, ad hoc micro gangs who couldn’t be controlled. This had the media’s attention during the Chief Keef episode (including the murder of lil Jo Jo) and subsequent involvement of Kayne West. In addition, the single dumbest excuse for the rise in violence is the argument that tearing down the projects actually made things worse. However, I am starting to believe it has some merit, although this is the sort of explanation that isn’t ‘actionable’. It pushed some really bad people to some already awful neighborhoods and destroyed whatever equilibrium that had been established. All this proceeded the current surge of homicides. But even prior to this, the numbers seemed stalled at unacceptably high levels. And various tactics like gang units, RICO’ing the worst of the big gangs, and tearing down projects had all been done.

    One aspect of project removal is that to the extent that the former problem resident migrated to Englewood and Austin, nothing seemed as urgent. Mexicans are creating a buffer as they expand out into formerly black areas. The only thing Chicago blacks have to bargain over is the fact that they occupy space in a city that people care about. The real hell holes are places like East St Louis and Gary, Indiana that may as well be on another continent. Those places have continuously deteriorated and depopulated until they are truly third world. Parts of the South Side are headed in that direction. There is serious effort to hive off areas next to the Lake, but further West, no one cares.

    The murder spree is awful, but must be seen in the context of black out migration. After Clinton’s welfare reform and tearing down the projects, there is simply no reason for the poor to live in an expensive city.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    According to reporter Sam Quinones, Los Angeles under Bill Bratton used RICO in a mirror image fashion to Chicago: rather than round up gang leaders to attempt to decapitate gangs, they rounded up gang followers en masse.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, seriously, strict enforcement of existing laws would go a long way to prevent crimes. I read the Plains Dealer on line (Cleveland.com) and I am astonished at how many shooters are recently released from jail, on probation, on parole or out on bail. A 15 year sandwich shop clerk was shot point blank in the head and killed a few months ago. The shooter was already out of jail from a 2013 shooting. What the hell is that?
  115. @Bragadocious
    Leftists enjoy watching the body count rise. These are their eugenics roots coming out. And they can conveniently blame everything on the NRA. Odd how they want government intrusion in every part of your life but when it comes to rooting out gang bangers -- hands off!

    “Leftists enjoy watching the body count rise. These are their eugenics roots coming out. And they can conveniently blame everything on the NRA. Odd how they want government intrusion in every part of your life but when it comes to rooting out gang bangers — hands off!”

    The Left sees law abiding White gun owners as the real gangbangers in this country who all need to either get the death penalty or life in prison.

  116. @anon
    The #1 problem and catalyst of the current mess was the video of Laquan McDonald which showed an officer several feet away emptying 16 shots into the 'youth'. This plus the settlement with the ACLU that effectively ended proactive contacts with the police.

    The Justice Department rushed out the Chicago report to beat Obama out of office. Now Rahm says he still wants to sign a consent decree, regardless of its merits. Go figure.

    However, Eddie Johnson -- Superintendent Special Ed -- has been bitching and moaning about the extensive rap sheets that turn up on both the victims and perps of the homicides. Including multiple gun violations. A Federal enforcement of gun violations would be a help. In the 'bad old days' when everyone was happy to fill up prisons, police could convict and jail highly dangerous and violent suspected murders on less serious charges. Worst case, a drug beef, if nothing else. But now, there seems to be virtually a quota system and only the worst of the worst get significant jail time.

    The latest shooting written up here was by a rival gang at a memorial service. With some proactive policing, there was frequently a serious effort to reduce retaliation killings. The cops would do something about the killer and threaten to come down hard on retaliation. It didn't always work, but consider the alternative. One murder turns into two, into three, etc.

    There is a lot more going on than that, but once the police gave up on enforcement in the worst black neighborhoods, the numbers rose quickly.

    A final tidbit. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-obama-reduces-gangster-disciples-sentence-20170118-story.html

    I was waiting for Obama to release the next Willie Horton. Chicago had done/tried everything at one time or another. The RICO'ed a bunch of the worst. But then, there seemed to be a devolution of gangs to younger, less organized, ad hoc micro gangs who couldn't be controlled. This had the media's attention during the Chief Keef episode (including the murder of lil Jo Jo) and subsequent involvement of Kayne West. In addition, the single dumbest excuse for the rise in violence is the argument that tearing down the projects actually made things worse. However, I am starting to believe it has some merit, although this is the sort of explanation that isn't 'actionable'. It pushed some really bad people to some already awful neighborhoods and destroyed whatever equilibrium that had been established. All this proceeded the current surge of homicides. But even prior to this, the numbers seemed stalled at unacceptably high levels. And various tactics like gang units, RICO'ing the worst of the big gangs, and tearing down projects had all been done.

    One aspect of project removal is that to the extent that the former problem resident migrated to Englewood and Austin, nothing seemed as urgent. Mexicans are creating a buffer as they expand out into formerly black areas. The only thing Chicago blacks have to bargain over is the fact that they occupy space in a city that people care about. The real hell holes are places like East St Louis and Gary, Indiana that may as well be on another continent. Those places have continuously deteriorated and depopulated until they are truly third world. Parts of the South Side are headed in that direction. There is serious effort to hive off areas next to the Lake, but further West, no one cares.

    The murder spree is awful, but must be seen in the context of black out migration. After Clinton's welfare reform and tearing down the projects, there is simply no reason for the poor to live in an expensive city.

    According to reporter Sam Quinones, Los Angeles under Bill Bratton used RICO in a mirror image fashion to Chicago: rather than round up gang leaders to attempt to decapitate gangs, they rounded up gang followers en masse.

  117. @Anonymous
    I am surprised that my comment was okayed. The phone number was merely to give Steve the option to call me and promise he would stop insulting ((me)).

    Mike in Austin

    Do you want me to edit out your phone number?

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Steve,
    what happened to that "you have 24 hours" ADL guy from last week? Was there any substantive contact? That could make for an interesting screen play or just a way to pass the time.
  118. @anon
    Steve, I had to google and find The Untouchables to figure out what you meant. We're not all grandpas here, maaaan.

    Yeah, Steve. Don’t you realize that requiring a Millennial to reach outside his own brainscape for a cultural reference is the equivalent of p^^y grabbing?

  119. @Buzz Mohawk
    Commenter eD, above, makes the following excellent point, which I find educational:

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. It's a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.
     
    I would bet 99% of Americans don't know this. I didn't know this. Chalk this ignorance up to mediocrity, bad education, or media and politicians who have always telegraphed the idea that the federal government can step in anywhere and do anything.

    Similarly, we have always been hypnotized into thinking presidents have the power to do anything, even though we are supposed to have learned in civics class that their power is limited.

    Personally I don't know why we should be wringing our hands over this carnage. Let them kill each other. I mean, look at who's shooting whom! It's who, whom, right?

    We should be thinking about the cops who have always been engaged in a sisyphean effort to push back this jungle violence. This #blackliesmurder-caused, Obama/Holder-facilitated "wave of violence" is the result of federal, media and agitator efforts to intimidate law enforcement.

    What would happen if we just left those hellholes alone? I know, they would become like Haiti. It's an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them kill each other? No, I know, there are plenty of people and structures of society that will never let that happen.

    Blue Sisyphus is condemned to an eternal push against Black Violence.

    “What would happen if we just left those hellholes alone? I know, they would become like Haiti. It’s an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them kill each other? No, I know, there are plenty of people and structures of society that will never let that happen.”

    The government already leaves those hellholes alone and let them kill each other, hence their extremely high murder rates.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    But there are cops in there every day, rolling that boulder up the hill...

    Let's transfer them all to Brooklyn Heights, where life is uber cool, where they can look out at The Statue of Immigration.

    It's the least we could do for them.

  120. “Earlier this month, in the final days of Barack Obama’s presidency, the Justice Department concluded a sweeping 13-month investigation of the city’s police practices. Its report described a police department whose officers routinely trampled on the civil rights of Chicago residents, especially Latinos and African-Americans.”

    Praise Jesus! The Justice Department is finally concentrating on the REAL problem: civil rights violations. Can’t think of a better way to divert the public’s attention from the madness in the streets than by concentrating on “civil rights violations.”

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Con, Notice that it is never a violation of someone's civil rights when you kill them. By the way civil is now a racist term doncha know.
  121. @Buzz Mohawk
    Commenter eD, above, makes the following excellent point, which I find educational:

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. It's a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.
     
    I would bet 99% of Americans don't know this. I didn't know this. Chalk this ignorance up to mediocrity, bad education, or media and politicians who have always telegraphed the idea that the federal government can step in anywhere and do anything.

    Similarly, we have always been hypnotized into thinking presidents have the power to do anything, even though we are supposed to have learned in civics class that their power is limited.

    Personally I don't know why we should be wringing our hands over this carnage. Let them kill each other. I mean, look at who's shooting whom! It's who, whom, right?

    We should be thinking about the cops who have always been engaged in a sisyphean effort to push back this jungle violence. This #blackliesmurder-caused, Obama/Holder-facilitated "wave of violence" is the result of federal, media and agitator efforts to intimidate law enforcement.

    What would happen if we just left those hellholes alone? I know, they would become like Haiti. It's an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them kill each other? No, I know, there are plenty of people and structures of society that will never let that happen.

    Blue Sisyphus is condemned to an eternal push against Black Violence.

    If anyone wants to stand in the way of your experiment, follow the calumnious lead of Mr. Ramirez-Rosa and call him (or “they”) a racist.

  122. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult.

    Is there a federal agency the killers would not be in hot water with if they bothered to check? They famously got Capone on tax evasion. Put Koskinen on the case.

    Hey! Hey! Hey!

    This is IRS audit!

  123. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I know multipe people people who talk about growing up and living in the Lincoln Park area and they all end the story of their youth by saying, “if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!”
     
    Yeah, Lincoln Park's a lovely area now days. It seems hard to believe it ever wasn't.

    It seems hard to believe it ever wasn’t

    This is what I think of when I think of Lincoln Park:

  124. @Jefferson
    "It is weird to see the NYT come out somewhat on the side of Chicago. It is usually hostile or condescending to the capital of flyover country."

    Chicago is not culturally part of Flyover Country. Chicago has more culturally in common with Los Angeles than with Lincoln, Nebraska.

    Chicago is not culturally part of Flyover Country. Chicago has more culturally in common with Los Angeles than with Lincoln, Nebraska.

    Chicago is where people go who think they’re too good for the places they grew up, but who don’t want to have to deal with the coasts.

    These days it’s mostly dork drain with some residual babe drain among the more slow-witted.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Chicago is where people go who think they’re too good for the places they grew up, but who don’t want to have to deal with the coasts.

    These days it’s mostly dork drain with some residual babe drain among the more slow-witted."

    More like can't afford to live in the Coasts, rather than don't want to deal with the Coasts. It's still cheaper to live in Chicago than it is to live in Los Angeles, New York City, San Francisco, Boston, and San Diego for example.

    Chicago is Detroit lite, so I don't know why it is socially considered high status to reside in that city.
  125. @Buffalo Joe
    Richard, Chicago cops call Police Superintendent Edward Johnson, "Special Ed."

    Special Ed probably fits.

    Steve has been silent on Shaun King lately. Yesterday on 4chan/pol/ they had series of tweets where he found out that all the major dem congressmen/senators have only ONE black senior staffer!

    What really made me laugh about the thread in particular was they rolled out a new nickname for Shaun King. They call him “Talcum X”

    HA HA HA…

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  126. @Random Dude on the Internet
    I see people on my Faceberg screaming "HE CAN'T DO THAT" but they forget how the feds combed through just every aspect of the City of Ferguson in hopes of finding hate crimes. Obama has established a clear precedent for siccing the federal hounds on municipalities, Trump isn't doing anything here that Obama didn't do several times the last several years. Thanks Obama!

    Obama has established a clear precedent for siccing the federal hounds on municipalities,

    Obama established so many clear precedents for increasing executive power. I wonder if he is reflective enough to realize what a gift he gave Trump?

  127. @TWalsh2
    I'm trying to get this straight: it's OK to send the Feds in provided they issue a report decrying your police department as racist thereby ensuring that said police will further withdraw from doing their jobs which results in more murders of black bodies by black bodies - which is what the Obama administration did, but it's not OK to send in the Feds to actually try and prevent more murders of black bodies by black bodies because? ? ? ?

    because? ? ? ?

    That’s easy. Because racism! But don’t ask me how to explain how blacks being murdered is less racist than blacks being arrested for committing crimes.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    res, That's easy. All cops, regardless of color are racists. So anything a cop does is racist. Blacks killing blacks is their culture.
  128. @Diversity Heretic
    Declare Chicago to be in a state of rebellion or insurrection. Put the Illinois National Guard under Federal command and order it to occupy Chicago. Put soldiers and armored personnel carriers on the streets. Have them break up any group of more than three people and give them authority to conduct stop and frisk weapons searches. Declare martial law and suspend the operation of the writ of habeus corpus. Criminal trials will be conducted under summary procedures by military-style tribunals.

    These steps might provoke civil war, but it just might be decisive action now would avert a civil war that to me looks increasingly inevitable.

    First comment I have seen that got all four buttons (Agree, Disagree, LOL, Troll) pushed in response. Well done. Regardless of the merit of your idea.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Damn, you beat me to it.

    I think we should call this the "Unz Hat Trick."
  129. @Desiderius

    Chicago is not culturally part of Flyover Country. Chicago has more culturally in common with Los Angeles than with Lincoln, Nebraska.
     
    Chicago is where people go who think they're too good for the places they grew up, but who don't want to have to deal with the coasts.

    These days it's mostly dork drain with some residual babe drain among the more slow-witted.

    “Chicago is where people go who think they’re too good for the places they grew up, but who don’t want to have to deal with the coasts.

    These days it’s mostly dork drain with some residual babe drain among the more slow-witted.”

    More like can’t afford to live in the Coasts, rather than don’t want to deal with the Coasts. It’s still cheaper to live in Chicago than it is to live in Los Angeles, New York City, San Francisco, Boston, and San Diego for example.

    Chicago is Detroit lite, so I don’t know why it is socially considered high status to reside in that city.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Chicago might experience a bit of a renaissance after years of losing talent to DC (based on what one of my employees determined among his former midwest cohort), among other cities. The federal magnet will reverse polarity and expel people, aided and abetted by announcements about hiring freezes and RIFs.
  130. @Lugash
    I'm not enthusiastic about using federal gun laws to clean up Chicago, or any other city. It lets incompetently run cities and states push their problems onto the nation at large. If Rahm wants to pander to BLM, let him deal with the dead bodies.

    If even a tenth of what the Chicago cop blog Second City Cop writes is accurate, then the CPD is so corrupt and hopelessly mismanaged that no amount of federal gibsmedat will make the city safe. They can clean up their own house first, or the feds can come in and RICO them.

    As an Illini, I can say with some degree of certainty that Chicago is uncleanupable. Best let it fester, and try to contain the infection until the city dies. Do not attempt to do ‘good’ toward this blighted metropolis; it will be in vain, for the town is Hell itself. Do not throw money at it, do not send in the armed forces, but simply let it die from its own corruptness. It must be destroyed and the ground left barren unto the third generation before it is permitted to rebuild.

    With the return of the natives from D.C., you should only expect life to become more of what it already is in the Windy City on the Lake.

  131. @snorlax
    Wasn't that Rubicon already crossed with respect to racial issues when Ike sent the National Guard to enforce Brown v. Board of Education? Or maybe Reconstruction. And from the other side LBJ, Pappy Bush and Dubya sending the Guard to put down the 1967 Detroit, 1992 LA and 2005 Katrina rioters. And the precedent was set for non-racial issues at least as far back as the Whiskey Rebellion.

    I’m not sure Reconstruction is a good example for the current discussion . The Southern States had been in rebellion and if I understand correctly really had no say until congress said they did . From Wikpedia : “The Republican Congress established military districts in the South and used Army personnel to administer the region until new governments loyal to the Union could be established. Congress temporarily suspended the ability to vote of approximately 10,000 to 15,000 white men who had been Confederate officials or senior officers, while constitutional amendments gave full citizenship and suffrage to former slaves.”
    Kenneth Stampp’s “The Era of Reconstruction” is a good book on the subject but OT for this post . However if things keep on the way they are who knows ?
    Another book of Prof. Stampp’s “America in 1857: A Nation on the Brink” may be more relevant . I don’t think in my 66 years I’ve ever seen the country this divided . Our differences are irreconcilable in my view and as in 1857 the radical Democrats both North and South are pushing the country towards a violent split . One has to assume from their rhetoric and actions that they look forward to it with relish . Maybe we should too .

  132. @jtgw
    The precedent was set by George Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion. Constitutionally, the feds can only intervene to suppress rebellion at the request of the governor.

    Washington was well within his authority to intervene. Federal officers attempting to collect the tax had been assaulted. Because the size of the Army was so small you could muster it in the courtyard of West Point, Washington had recourse to ask governors to call out the militia. They mustered 15,000 men.

    Now, because of the post Civil War Posse Comitatus Act the Army and Air Force may not be employed to enforce domestic laws in the United States. Except by request of a governor or in the case of insurrection or rebellion.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    The tax was constitutional; what is in dispute is the methods used to suppress the revolt to collect the taxes. My understanding is that the federal authority to summon the militia was intended to repel foreign invasions; if it was a matter of domestic rebellion, the states had priority in deciding how to deal with it. The governor had the authority to quell a rebellion within his state on his own authority, didn't he? And Lincoln used Washington's precedent to justify his own violations of state sovereignty.
  133. @Dave Pinsen
    It's still amazing to see "President Trump" in the NYT. What a world.

    Brexit, hearing the BBC news opening with the words “President Trump”, Mrs May announcing the “days of Britain and America intervening in sovereign countries in an attempt to remake the world in our own image are over” – what a time of hope to be alive in.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It's too bad Don Cornelius isn't still alive. He'd be in line for a prominent post in this administration.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiciESt-LA4

  134. @MBlanc46
    I do not consider BHO a Chicagoan. Sure, he lived here for awhile. But he was born elsewhere. He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii. His bigher education was in California, New York, and Massachusetts. He carpet-bagged here for a few years. Now that (Saints be praised!) he's out of the White House, he's not coming back. He's not one of us. Never really was.

    MBlanc, Nor was Hillary ever a New Yorker. Another carpetbagger from the left wing.

  135. @Anonymous
    I am surprised that my comment was okayed. The phone number was merely to give Steve the option to call me and promise he would stop insulting ((me)).

    Mike in Austin

    Mike, There is a line in the comment box where you can add your email address and Steve could contact you that way. By the way could you just type in your SS# too. And maybe a pin number.

  136. @Anonymouse
    Dear Steve,

    By saying what you say from time to time about the Jews as a collectivity without individual agency is a slap in my face, an insult. You would never say "the English believe such and such." How, as a fair man, can you not see this an intellectual error mixed together with a stew of unexpressed feelings of the sort that color everyone's so-called objective thought?

    I don't expect you to okay this as a comment, I merely intend it as a vehicle of communication. I really enjoy your insights and have learnt a lot, but hopefully my self-respect as one of ((them)) will keep me from encountering another of your writings about how the jews do/believe this or that. I don't need the gratuitous insult.

    Respectfully,
    Mike Exxx
    Austin
    512-4xxx

    Insert donut’s standard standard anti-Semitic reply here .

  137. @Buffalo Joe
    Quote, "He meant locking up more black and brown folks," said Alderman Carlos Rameriz-Rosa about Trump's comment to "send in the Feds." Chicago has 50 Alder people to help Rahm govern (misgovern?) the city. Each one treats their ward/district as a fiefdom. These people make well over $100k per year plus perks. They have to speak like this to maintain their cred in their ward. Sadly, a short while ago a Chicago US Congressman lost his grandson to a drive by shooting. Apparently, at least according to the people's representatives , they like to live this way or prove me wrong.

    Chicago could economize by following the Los Angeles County model. Use 5 Supervisors instead of 50 Aldermen. Given their fiscal situation (budgets, pensions, litigation payouts, etc) they might be forced to make some of those hard choices soon. Trump would be doing the citizens a favor by providing some air cover or diversion while the choices get proposed. Get the press to vent about those issues while the substantive ones get decided. Why not?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Ivy, The 45 Alder persons without a ward would not let that happen, plus then there might be a chance that the remaining mega wards would vote white. And lastly, Chicago is a democrat stronghold. They thrive on the sorrows of their peeps.
  138. @anon
    The #1 problem and catalyst of the current mess was the video of Laquan McDonald which showed an officer several feet away emptying 16 shots into the 'youth'. This plus the settlement with the ACLU that effectively ended proactive contacts with the police.

    The Justice Department rushed out the Chicago report to beat Obama out of office. Now Rahm says he still wants to sign a consent decree, regardless of its merits. Go figure.

    However, Eddie Johnson -- Superintendent Special Ed -- has been bitching and moaning about the extensive rap sheets that turn up on both the victims and perps of the homicides. Including multiple gun violations. A Federal enforcement of gun violations would be a help. In the 'bad old days' when everyone was happy to fill up prisons, police could convict and jail highly dangerous and violent suspected murders on less serious charges. Worst case, a drug beef, if nothing else. But now, there seems to be virtually a quota system and only the worst of the worst get significant jail time.

    The latest shooting written up here was by a rival gang at a memorial service. With some proactive policing, there was frequently a serious effort to reduce retaliation killings. The cops would do something about the killer and threaten to come down hard on retaliation. It didn't always work, but consider the alternative. One murder turns into two, into three, etc.

    There is a lot more going on than that, but once the police gave up on enforcement in the worst black neighborhoods, the numbers rose quickly.

    A final tidbit. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-obama-reduces-gangster-disciples-sentence-20170118-story.html

    I was waiting for Obama to release the next Willie Horton. Chicago had done/tried everything at one time or another. The RICO'ed a bunch of the worst. But then, there seemed to be a devolution of gangs to younger, less organized, ad hoc micro gangs who couldn't be controlled. This had the media's attention during the Chief Keef episode (including the murder of lil Jo Jo) and subsequent involvement of Kayne West. In addition, the single dumbest excuse for the rise in violence is the argument that tearing down the projects actually made things worse. However, I am starting to believe it has some merit, although this is the sort of explanation that isn't 'actionable'. It pushed some really bad people to some already awful neighborhoods and destroyed whatever equilibrium that had been established. All this proceeded the current surge of homicides. But even prior to this, the numbers seemed stalled at unacceptably high levels. And various tactics like gang units, RICO'ing the worst of the big gangs, and tearing down projects had all been done.

    One aspect of project removal is that to the extent that the former problem resident migrated to Englewood and Austin, nothing seemed as urgent. Mexicans are creating a buffer as they expand out into formerly black areas. The only thing Chicago blacks have to bargain over is the fact that they occupy space in a city that people care about. The real hell holes are places like East St Louis and Gary, Indiana that may as well be on another continent. Those places have continuously deteriorated and depopulated until they are truly third world. Parts of the South Side are headed in that direction. There is serious effort to hive off areas next to the Lake, but further West, no one cares.

    The murder spree is awful, but must be seen in the context of black out migration. After Clinton's welfare reform and tearing down the projects, there is simply no reason for the poor to live in an expensive city.

    Anon, seriously, strict enforcement of existing laws would go a long way to prevent crimes. I read the Plains Dealer on line (Cleveland.com) and I am astonished at how many shooters are recently released from jail, on probation, on parole or out on bail. A 15 year sandwich shop clerk was shot point blank in the head and killed a few months ago. The shooter was already out of jail from a 2013 shooting. What the hell is that?

  139. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    The Army was dispatched by executive order and took over the city of Gary Indiana in October of 1919 and imposed martial law for 4 months.

  140. @Diversity Heretic
    Declare Chicago to be in a state of rebellion or insurrection. Put the Illinois National Guard under Federal command and order it to occupy Chicago. Put soldiers and armored personnel carriers on the streets. Have them break up any group of more than three people and give them authority to conduct stop and frisk weapons searches. Declare martial law and suspend the operation of the writ of habeus corpus. Criminal trials will be conducted under summary procedures by military-style tribunals.

    These steps might provoke civil war, but it just might be decisive action now would avert a civil war that to me looks increasingly inevitable.

    It worked in Gary in 1919.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    In Newton, Iowa in 1938, as a result of a bitter strike at the Maytag Company, the Iowa National Guard was called in and the town was declared under martial law. There are photos of Guardsmen with machine guns, I mean heavy, water-cooled, rifle calibre, machine guns, set up on the streets. My father and aunt went over to the park where the National Guard was bivouaced and watched them put live ammunition in their rifles. Any group of greater than three was told by a guardsmen to break it up and move on. And this was in a situation in which no one had been killed, although there were fist fights and some beatings. My great uncle had been beaten but he said he bore his opponent no ill will and would willingly shake his hand.

    But back then we were a serious nation, Iowa was a serious state, and the people involved were white.
  141. @CJ

    Steve, I had to google and find The Untouchables to figure out what you meant. We’re not all grandpas here, maaaan.
     
    Those old TV shows were daytime reruns when I was ten years old, and I'm 64 next month. You should watch some of them for laughs. Of course Elliott Ness and his G-men were the heroes, but my favorite gangster was Frank Nitti. I liked his black shirt and white tie.

    That’s odd . I’m 66 and remember watching them weekly in primetime with my grand parents who had lived through those times . BTW Frank Nitti killed himself rather than return to prison .

    • Replies: @CJ
    They ran at 4 pm Saturdays on the only TV station available then in the upper Ottawa Valley, which only broadcast from noon to midnight. Cable TV (a co-op effort called Community Antenna Television) didn't arrive until around 1967. I'm sure they weren't new shows; a relative visiting from Niagara Falls had seen some of them before and knew how the plots would unfold.
    , @David In TN
    I'm 66 and watched The Untouchables on ABC primetime 1960-63. Eliot Ness was a real life Prohibition agent, but the TV show was fictional. I read that Robert Stack based his characterization of Ness on "the bravest men I ever knew, Audie Murphy and Butch O'Hare." Stack remarked that Murphy and O'Hare were examples of men who were the best at what they did but didn't brag about it.

    Stack said the gangsters were the "stars" of the show and he "reacted rather than acted" in playing Eliot Ness. He also said the show didn't glorify the gangsters the way the Godfather movies did.
  142. @Connecticut Famer
    "Earlier this month, in the final days of Barack Obama’s presidency, the Justice Department concluded a sweeping 13-month investigation of the city’s police practices. Its report described a police department whose officers routinely trampled on the civil rights of Chicago residents, especially Latinos and African-Americans."

    Praise Jesus! The Justice Department is finally concentrating on the REAL problem: civil rights violations. Can't think of a better way to divert the public's attention from the madness in the streets than by concentrating on "civil rights violations."

    Con, Notice that it is never a violation of someone’s civil rights when you kill them. By the way civil is now a racist term doncha know.

  143. @Anonymouse
    Dear Steve,

    By saying what you say from time to time about the Jews as a collectivity without individual agency is a slap in my face, an insult. You would never say "the English believe such and such." How, as a fair man, can you not see this an intellectual error mixed together with a stew of unexpressed feelings of the sort that color everyone's so-called objective thought?

    I don't expect you to okay this as a comment, I merely intend it as a vehicle of communication. I really enjoy your insights and have learnt a lot, but hopefully my self-respect as one of ((them)) will keep me from encountering another of your writings about how the jews do/believe this or that. I don't need the gratuitous insult.

    Respectfully,
    Mike Exxx
    Austin
    512-4xxx

    You would never say “the English believe such and such.

    Surely, you must be joking.

    (That’s practically all Steve does, in effect).

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Surely, you must be joking.

    (That’s practically all Steve does, in effect).
     
    Joke?
  144. @Buffalo Joe
    Ed, Excellent. Just Google mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and Detroit to see how the Detroit black community rallied around their corrupt mayor and his equally corrupt Congresswoman mother, who rallied the blacks by saying: "Don't let them do yo boy this way" after he was indicted.

    Maybe they rallied the corrupt press rather than the Black community . I mean after all who rallied around Barry and Cankles ? The community or the press ?

  145. @res

    because? ? ? ?
     
    That's easy. Because racism! But don't ask me how to explain how blacks being murdered is less racist than blacks being arrested for committing crimes.

    res, That’s easy. All cops, regardless of color are racists. So anything a cop does is racist. Blacks killing blacks is their culture.

  146. @Buffalo Joe
    Mike, Follow the money trail. Cabrini Green and I think the Taylor projects were demolished in a failed bid to land the Olympics. Among those involved were, Barack Obama, Oprah, Valerie Jarret, Rahm Emmanuel and the Pritzkers. Chicago send Michelle O and Oprah with their bid. See who profits from the vacant land.

    See who profits from the vacant land.

    Also see how the Real Estate Reverends milk the system. There is a big trough of money funded by everyone else. Play your cards right and you could be sitting on a portfolio, collecting rents, getting an advisory fee or two, and otherwise being paid to look the other way and stay relatively silent. Variations on the theme played out across big eastern cities for a few generations.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Ivy, Nice reply. Here in Buffalo a local Rev. has developed quite a real estate portfolio anchored by his church. There is now a lawsuit where a developer claims the Rev. got Buffalo's mayor to cancel a development because he was not included. The lawsuit seems to have legs.
  147. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I know multipe people people who talk about growing up and living in the Lincoln Park area and they all end the story of their youth by saying, “if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!”
     
    Yeah, Lincoln Park's a lovely area now days. It seems hard to believe it ever wasn't.

    “if I could have hung on to that building I lived in, I would be rich today!”

    Many of those stories should be reworded along the lines of “if I wasn’t in fear for my life and had to flee that building I lived in, I would be rich today”.

  148. @Ivy
    Chicago could economize by following the Los Angeles County model. Use 5 Supervisors instead of 50 Aldermen. Given their fiscal situation (budgets, pensions, litigation payouts, etc) they might be forced to make some of those hard choices soon. Trump would be doing the citizens a favor by providing some air cover or diversion while the choices get proposed. Get the press to vent about those issues while the substantive ones get decided. Why not?

    Ivy, The 45 Alder persons without a ward would not let that happen, plus then there might be a chance that the remaining mega wards would vote white. And lastly, Chicago is a democrat stronghold. They thrive on the sorrows of their peeps.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    I'm hoping for some force majeure (or something less drastic) that encourages more representative government. Perhaps that would not be as extreme a reduction as in LA, but something to foster greater citizenism and less cronyism.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Not too much chance of that anymore. Barely above thirty percent of Chicago's residents are non-Hispanic whites.
  149. @anonguy
    OT: Google is throwing keggers in DC for Republicans. Sick of winning yet?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/technology/google-in-post-obama-era-aggressively-woos-republicans.html?_r=0

    Google is throwing keggers in DC for Republicans. Sick of winning yet?

    “We’re not hosting an intergalactic kegger down here.”

    (but it seems like it)

  150. @Steve Sailer
    Do you want me to edit out your phone number?

    Steve,
    what happened to that “you have 24 hours” ADL guy from last week? Was there any substantive contact? That could make for an interesting screen play or just a way to pass the time.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    It was a joke comment. A damn fine one, too—a lot of iStevers bit.
  151. @Ivy

    See who profits from the vacant land.
     
    Also see how the Real Estate Reverends milk the system. There is a big trough of money funded by everyone else. Play your cards right and you could be sitting on a portfolio, collecting rents, getting an advisory fee or two, and otherwise being paid to look the other way and stay relatively silent. Variations on the theme played out across big eastern cities for a few generations.

    Ivy, Nice reply. Here in Buffalo a local Rev. has developed quite a real estate portfolio anchored by his church. There is now a lawsuit where a developer claims the Rev. got Buffalo’s mayor to cancel a development because he was not included. The lawsuit seems to have legs.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Thanks. There is a certain creativity in the big cities where people decide that George Carlin wasn't entirely correct. He said there was a big club and you ain't in it.

    The new and improved urban version: There is a big club, and if you hit people with it, you're in.
  152. @Jefferson
    "Chicago is where people go who think they’re too good for the places they grew up, but who don’t want to have to deal with the coasts.

    These days it’s mostly dork drain with some residual babe drain among the more slow-witted."

    More like can't afford to live in the Coasts, rather than don't want to deal with the Coasts. It's still cheaper to live in Chicago than it is to live in Los Angeles, New York City, San Francisco, Boston, and San Diego for example.

    Chicago is Detroit lite, so I don't know why it is socially considered high status to reside in that city.

    Chicago might experience a bit of a renaissance after years of losing talent to DC (based on what one of my employees determined among his former midwest cohort), among other cities. The federal magnet will reverse polarity and expel people, aided and abetted by announcements about hiring freezes and RIFs.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    Chicago might experience a bit of a renaissance after years of losing talent to DC (based on what one of my employees determined among his former midwest cohort), among other cities. The federal magnet will reverse polarity and expel people, aided and abetted by announcements about hiring freezes and RIFs.
     
    I could see that. The top tier of DC is world class and wouldn't be caught dead living in Chicago, but the yeoman/administrator class of DC are exactly the type of people I associate with Chicago.
  153. @Jefferson
    "What would happen if we just left those hellholes alone? I know, they would become like Haiti. It’s an interesting thought experiment though: Could this be done? Can we just pull out and let them kill each other? No, I know, there are plenty of people and structures of society that will never let that happen."

    The government already leaves those hellholes alone and let them kill each other, hence their extremely high murder rates.

    But there are cops in there every day, rolling that boulder up the hill…

    Let’s transfer them all to Brooklyn Heights, where life is uber cool, where they can look out at The Statue of Immigration.

    It’s the least we could do for them.

  154. @Buffalo Joe
    Ivy, The 45 Alder persons without a ward would not let that happen, plus then there might be a chance that the remaining mega wards would vote white. And lastly, Chicago is a democrat stronghold. They thrive on the sorrows of their peeps.

    I’m hoping for some force majeure (or something less drastic) that encourages more representative government. Perhaps that would not be as extreme a reduction as in LA, but something to foster greater citizenism and less cronyism.

  155. The May visit is epic-level trolling of the Guardian and BBC – those pictures of Trump leading her by the hand will be in every paper tomorrow. I think UK blood pressure and stroke specialists may have to work this weekend.

    He should tweet “As for torture, any decisions will be taken by Defense Secretary “Mad Dog”” – just to trigger them that little bit more.

  156. @Buffalo Joe
    Ivy, Nice reply. Here in Buffalo a local Rev. has developed quite a real estate portfolio anchored by his church. There is now a lawsuit where a developer claims the Rev. got Buffalo's mayor to cancel a development because he was not included. The lawsuit seems to have legs.

    Thanks. There is a certain creativity in the big cities where people decide that George Carlin wasn’t entirely correct. He said there was a big club and you ain’t in it.

    The new and improved urban version: There is a big club, and if you hit people with it, you’re in.

  157. @Anonymouse
    Dear Steve,

    By saying what you say from time to time about the Jews as a collectivity without individual agency is a slap in my face, an insult. You would never say "the English believe such and such." How, as a fair man, can you not see this an intellectual error mixed together with a stew of unexpressed feelings of the sort that color everyone's so-called objective thought?

    I don't expect you to okay this as a comment, I merely intend it as a vehicle of communication. I really enjoy your insights and have learnt a lot, but hopefully my self-respect as one of ((them)) will keep me from encountering another of your writings about how the jews do/believe this or that. I don't need the gratuitous insult.

    Respectfully,
    Mike Exxx
    Austin
    512-4xxx

    Although your posting of personal information here is evidence to the contrary, and in spite of your assertion of individual agency, I’m fairly sure you possess enough of the stereotypical, vaunted intelligence to at least understand that there are five stages of grief.

    You appear to be in the bargaining stage.

    You can expect depression to occur fairly soon. Then, if you’re lucky, acceptance of the law of averages will follow.

    PS: We all should accept the scientific averages, as well as our own evidence of experience. And yes, we can say “the English believe” they are more civilized, for example. (That’s it, isn’t it?) Everyone has his strengths and weaknesses, his talents and foibles. I can accept those of people like me. Can you?

    I have an urge now to apologize for being harsh, but that’s just the 3/4 goy in me wanting to be nice. (So I’ll give you 3/4 of an apology.) It’s all good. Be well.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    And just to prove how flawed and neurotic I am: I am compelled to clarify that when I wrote "law of averages," I really should have written "law of large numbers."
  158. @Buzz Mohawk
    Although your posting of personal information here is evidence to the contrary, and in spite of your assertion of individual agency, I'm fairly sure you possess enough of the stereotypical, vaunted intelligence to at least understand that there are five stages of grief.

    You appear to be in the bargaining stage.

    You can expect depression to occur fairly soon. Then, if you're lucky, acceptance of the law of averages will follow.

    PS: We all should accept the scientific averages, as well as our own evidence of experience. And yes, we can say "the English believe" they are more civilized, for example. (That's it, isn't it?) Everyone has his strengths and weaknesses, his talents and foibles. I can accept those of people like me. Can you?

    I have an urge now to apologize for being harsh, but that's just the 3/4 goy in me wanting to be nice. (So I'll give you 3/4 of an apology.) It's all good. Be well.

    And just to prove how flawed and neurotic I am: I am compelled to clarify that when I wrote “law of averages,” I really should have written “law of large numbers.”

  159. @marty
    In 1988 in federal court in SF I argued that action taken under a federal statute was ultra vires because the statute itself specifically enjoined anything in direct conflict with state law. With a smile the judge said to me, "haven't you ever heard of inherent federal power?" ( I hadn't).

    You had not because (as you and I know) no such animal exists. The federal government has only those powers enumerated in the federal constitution. The judge you dealt with, like so many other federal judges before and since, was making things up to usurp to himself authority he does not legitimately have.

    Jurists of principle, such as Antonin Scalia, are forever pointing this stuff out, but they are outnumbered and largely ignored; recall John Ely’s irrefutable observation that “substantive due process” makes as much sense as “green pastel redness.”

    • Replies: @guest
    You can't expect people who went to school for 19 years (not counting preschool and kindygarden) to understand that the term "process" refers to a process.

    Now that I think about it, those 19 years may be "substantially" about making people gullible enough to believe processes can be substantive.

  160. @res
    First comment I have seen that got all four buttons (Agree, Disagree, LOL, Troll) pushed in response. Well done. Regardless of the merit of your idea.

    Damn, you beat me to it.

    I think we should call this the “Unz Hat Trick.”

    • Replies: @res
    That's a good name for it. I wonder if there is any way to search for comments like that. It would make a fun category for "Best of the Unz Review comments."
  161. @Busby
    Washington was well within his authority to intervene. Federal officers attempting to collect the tax had been assaulted. Because the size of the Army was so small you could muster it in the courtyard of West Point, Washington had recourse to ask governors to call out the militia. They mustered 15,000 men.

    Now, because of the post Civil War Posse Comitatus Act the Army and Air Force may not be employed to enforce domestic laws in the United States. Except by request of a governor or in the case of insurrection or rebellion.

    The tax was constitutional; what is in dispute is the methods used to suppress the revolt to collect the taxes. My understanding is that the federal authority to summon the militia was intended to repel foreign invasions; if it was a matter of domestic rebellion, the states had priority in deciding how to deal with it. The governor had the authority to quell a rebellion within his state on his own authority, didn’t he? And Lincoln used Washington’s precedent to justify his own violations of state sovereignty.

    • Replies: @guest
    Its constitutionality is suspect. Direct taxes are supposed to be apportioned among the states. Lots of people considered the whiskey tax a direct tax as opposed to a consumption tax. They didn't just drink it, the stored wealth in it and used it as virtual currency.
  162. Well, he’s just not from Chicago.

  163. @Ivy
    Steve,
    what happened to that "you have 24 hours" ADL guy from last week? Was there any substantive contact? That could make for an interesting screen play or just a way to pass the time.

    It was a joke comment. A damn fine one, too—a lot of iStevers bit.

  164. @Anonymous Nephew
    Brexit, hearing the BBC news opening with the words "President Trump", Mrs May announcing the “days of Britain and America intervening in sovereign countries in an attempt to remake the world in our own image are over” - what a time of hope to be alive in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dAvPw6YgRI

    It’s too bad Don Cornelius isn’t still alive. He’d be in line for a prominent post in this administration.

  165. @mobi

    You would never say “the English believe such and such.
     
    Surely, you must be joking.

    (That's practically all Steve does, in effect).

    Surely, you must be joking.

    (That’s practically all Steve does, in effect).

    Joke?

    • Replies: @mobi

    Joke?
     
    Make group observations
  166. @George
    Chicago and Illinois is undergoing a financial crisis, so there may be something going on other than Black people. The pension and benefits crisis in most places in the US is possible evidence the system of policing and everything else is falling apart.

    Chicago and Illinois is undergoing a financial crisis, so there may be something going on other than Black people. The pension and benefits crisis in most places in the US is possible evidence the system of policing and everything else is falling apart.

    I am not so familiar with this. Couldd you explain its connection to murders in the black community in Chicago?

  167. @Desiderius

    Surely, you must be joking.

    (That’s practically all Steve does, in effect).
     
    Joke?

    Joke?

    Make group observations

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Make group observations
     
    joke
  168. @BenKenobi
    Damn, you beat me to it.

    I think we should call this the "Unz Hat Trick."

    That’s a good name for it. I wonder if there is any way to search for comments like that. It would make a fun category for “Best of the Unz Review comments.”

  169. @Ivy
    Chicago might experience a bit of a renaissance after years of losing talent to DC (based on what one of my employees determined among his former midwest cohort), among other cities. The federal magnet will reverse polarity and expel people, aided and abetted by announcements about hiring freezes and RIFs.

    Chicago might experience a bit of a renaissance after years of losing talent to DC (based on what one of my employees determined among his former midwest cohort), among other cities. The federal magnet will reverse polarity and expel people, aided and abetted by announcements about hiring freezes and RIFs.

    I could see that. The top tier of DC is world class and wouldn’t be caught dead living in Chicago, but the yeoman/administrator class of DC are exactly the type of people I associate with Chicago.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    The so-called top tier of DC are legends in their own minds, greatly overrated.
  170. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult.

    Don’t make me laugh. FDR destroyed the little bit of state sovereignty that Lincoln hadn’t already destroyed. If the Federal government wanted to make crossing the street a federal crime they could. Or else Congress could cut off Federal funds to any place that had street crossers. Just last week (seems like years ago) the Federal gov. announced that the Chicago police were going to have to sign a “consent decree” crippling their ability to do effective policing (don’t throw me in the briar patch, Brer Rabbit) with the Feds or else. Where was “state sovereignty” then?

    The Left has always supported enlarging the scope of the Fed gov because it allowed them to push aside the local “deplorables” but they never considered that the Fed gov would not always be in leftist hands. All the weapons that Obama is about to wield against them (and he intends to, make no mistake) were built in the labs of leftist government – Obama is their Frankenstein.

  171. @bomag

    “He meant locking up more black and brown folks,” said Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, addressing the City Council here on Wednesday morning. “Just like Republicans, just like right-wingers have always done.”
     
    Incarceration is a strategy that works; it is one of the few methods at their disposal; and Carlos Ramirez-Rosa, alleged political leader in Chicago, wants to take it off the table from the start 'Because Racism, and the Wrong people are using it'.

    I didn't realize the criminal class was so able to put their people in power in Chicago. Maybe that's part of the problem.

    They’ve been doing it since at least 1919.

  172. @Buffalo Joe
    Ivy, The 45 Alder persons without a ward would not let that happen, plus then there might be a chance that the remaining mega wards would vote white. And lastly, Chicago is a democrat stronghold. They thrive on the sorrows of their peeps.

    Not too much chance of that anymore. Barely above thirty percent of Chicago’s residents are non-Hispanic whites.

  173. @donut
    That's odd . I'm 66 and remember watching them weekly in primetime with my grand parents who had lived through those times . BTW Frank Nitti killed himself rather than return to prison .

    They ran at 4 pm Saturdays on the only TV station available then in the upper Ottawa Valley, which only broadcast from noon to midnight. Cable TV (a co-op effort called Community Antenna Television) didn’t arrive until around 1967. I’m sure they weren’t new shows; a relative visiting from Niagara Falls had seen some of them before and knew how the plots would unfold.

  174. @anonguy

    Chicago might experience a bit of a renaissance after years of losing talent to DC (based on what one of my employees determined among his former midwest cohort), among other cities. The federal magnet will reverse polarity and expel people, aided and abetted by announcements about hiring freezes and RIFs.
     
    I could see that. The top tier of DC is world class and wouldn't be caught dead living in Chicago, but the yeoman/administrator class of DC are exactly the type of people I associate with Chicago.

    The so-called top tier of DC are legends in their own minds, greatly overrated.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @anonguy
    Hard to disagree with that.
    , @Desiderius
    My theory is that the best have been sticking close to home for a good long while undetected.
  175. @eD
    "If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on,” he wrote, “I will send in the Feds!”"

    This is not something I would expect Trump to know, but state sovereignty makes this very difficult. The state government of Illinois can take over the municipal government and police of Chicago pretty much at will, as the state of Michigan did recently with Detroit. Legally, local government has no independent standing apart from the states they are located in. Its a very different story with the federal government, which was one of the big though unreported reasons with the lack of response to Katrina.

    Yes, the federal governments has pushed state governments in the South around, but these were in circumstances where these governments were taking over federal military installations and post offices (the first time) or openly violating federal court orders based on constitutional rights that are held by all US citizens (the second time), and still it was a very difficult and controversial process.

    One of the worst features of American political discourse is the tendency to treat the federal government as just a really big state government, and Trump and Clinton both answered alot of questions in the debates that would be appropriate for a state governors' race, but not for federal office. I really wouldn't expect Trump to know better, though Clinton, who is supposed to be a lawyer, should have.

    Well, this is my first comment here, I hope it passes muster!
    eD, your comment got me thinking. What if Pres. Trump did push to do something a bit over the line, a step further than Obama? It would go to court. Evvile Republican! Activist judges. Rule against DC power grab. Shazam! Precedent against such a power grab in the future.
    If this is the system and the rules of the game now, maybe a patriot might use them to his advantage to protect the country from further abuse . . .

    • Replies: @res
    Good first comment. I don't know how hard it would be to structure something that would yield a solid precedent (i.e. a broad rather than narrow ruling). Probably best considered near the end of either this term or if he is popular his second.
  176. @RadicalCenter
    The so-called top tier of DC are legends in their own minds, greatly overrated.

    Hard to disagree with that.

  177. @Richard S
    May God protect and save the men of the Chicago P.D.

    Prediction: The 50th anniversary of the 1968 terror-sedition being put down will be celebrated in a grand style. The times they have-a changed.

    O/T, did you see Trump with English PM May? Thatcher she ain't! She and the BBC propaganda-harpy were both literally "literally shaking" in the charismatic Presence.

    Trump with English PM May? Thatcher she ain’t! She and the BBC propaganda-harpy were both literally “literally shaking” in the charismatic Presence.

    oh please, post a link

    that sounds priceless

  178. @Anonymouse
    Dear Steve,

    By saying what you say from time to time about the Jews as a collectivity without individual agency is a slap in my face, an insult. You would never say "the English believe such and such." How, as a fair man, can you not see this an intellectual error mixed together with a stew of unexpressed feelings of the sort that color everyone's so-called objective thought?

    I don't expect you to okay this as a comment, I merely intend it as a vehicle of communication. I really enjoy your insights and have learnt a lot, but hopefully my self-respect as one of ((them)) will keep me from encountering another of your writings about how the jews do/believe this or that. I don't need the gratuitous insult.

    Respectfully,
    Mike Exxx
    Austin
    512-4xxx

    People routinely, on this site and others, say “the English/Frenchmen/whites/blacks/bikers/lesbians/Stanley Kubrick enthusiasts/dental hygienists/methamphetamine addicts/whatever believe such and such,” without fear of breaking the social contract or violating the sacred honor of Truth. Not that there can’t be backlash, but not usually on the grounds improper collectivity and denial of individual agency. More likely on the grounds that a group you maligned (in their eyes) is higher on the hierarchy than your group(s).

    Your post reeks of special pleading. This resembles the lament I often hear from Israel defenders, complaining that their nation is held to a higher standard than others. For instance, when they “disproportionately” retaliate against terrorist attacks. What they’re really seeking is for the world to hold them to lower standards, because they’re Israel, damnit, and they’re special.

  179. @mobi

    Joke?
     
    Make group observations

    Make group observations

    joke

  180. @RadicalCenter
    The so-called top tier of DC are legends in their own minds, greatly overrated.

    My theory is that the best have been sticking close to home for a good long while undetected.

  181. @Autochthon
    You had not because (as you and I know) no such animal exists. The federal government has only those powers enumerated in the federal constitution. The judge you dealt with, like so many other federal judges before and since, was making things up to usurp to himself authority he does not legitimately have.

    Jurists of principle, such as Antonin Scalia, are forever pointing this stuff out, but they are outnumbered and largely ignored; recall John Ely's irrefutable observation that "substantive due process" makes as much sense as "green pastel redness."

    You can’t expect people who went to school for 19 years (not counting preschool and kindygarden) to understand that the term “process” refers to a process.

    Now that I think about it, those 19 years may be “substantially” about making people gullible enough to believe processes can be substantive.

  182. @jtgw
    The tax was constitutional; what is in dispute is the methods used to suppress the revolt to collect the taxes. My understanding is that the federal authority to summon the militia was intended to repel foreign invasions; if it was a matter of domestic rebellion, the states had priority in deciding how to deal with it. The governor had the authority to quell a rebellion within his state on his own authority, didn't he? And Lincoln used Washington's precedent to justify his own violations of state sovereignty.

    Its constitutionality is suspect. Direct taxes are supposed to be apportioned among the states. Lots of people considered the whiskey tax a direct tax as opposed to a consumption tax. They didn’t just drink it, the stored wealth in it and used it as virtual currency.

  183. @Jacobite
    It worked in Gary in 1919.

    In Newton, Iowa in 1938, as a result of a bitter strike at the Maytag Company, the Iowa National Guard was called in and the town was declared under martial law. There are photos of Guardsmen with machine guns, I mean heavy, water-cooled, rifle calibre, machine guns, set up on the streets. My father and aunt went over to the park where the National Guard was bivouaced and watched them put live ammunition in their rifles. Any group of greater than three was told by a guardsmen to break it up and move on. And this was in a situation in which no one had been killed, although there were fist fights and some beatings. My great uncle had been beaten but he said he bore his opponent no ill will and would willingly shake his hand.

    But back then we were a serious nation, Iowa was a serious state, and the people involved were white.

  184. @Yak-15
    As a Chicago resident I believe it's time to build a wall here too. Several walls.

    Don’t forget the lethal finials.

  185. @Forbes
    Trump's tweets about Chicago are a lot simpler than is generally recognized here.

    First, he's trolling them (the press, the Chicago pols, etc.). This is observable from the reactions, e.g. the wonderment of Supt. Eddie Johnson, the send more money of Ald. Brookins, and Ald. Ramirez-Rosa's Republicans locking up blacks and browns. Instead of addressing the murder rate problem, they are challenging/confronting--even pushing back against--the President.

    The NYT article goes to great length pointing out (inadvertently) this cluelessness--including its own, e.g. as if the DOJ report is substantive, rather than a distraction to change the subject from bodies piling up in the morgue.

    Second, Trump's opening negotiations on his terms, e.g. his Jan. 2 tweet, "If Mayor can’t do it he must ask for Federal help!” Trump is not going to be caught in a Katrina-like situation where the ankle-biting media puts blame/responsibility on the White House--for not promptly intervening, irrespective of federal-state roles.

    Third, Trump is getting ahead of the partisan politics by directly addressing the topic, so as not to be accused of being insensitive to inner city plight. Trump served it up--ball is now in Chicago's court. The question now becomes one of how Chicago responds.

    This is how politics are played when you treat the left just as they treat you--instead of being rolled by the left, and accepting the role as gracious and gentlemanly loser.

    That’s insightful, thank you.

  186. @Guy de Champlagne
    Chicago doesn't have the highest murder rate, not by a long shot. It just has the most murders due to having a high rate and a very large population. It makes people look kind of silly focusing on chicago. Doubly silly when they seem to think the high murder rate makes the whole city unlivable.

    http://fox6now.com/2016/11/02/americas-25-murder-capitals-milwaukee-has-10th-highest-murder-rate-of-any-american-city/

    To understand how high homicide rates in the US are reflect on the fact that the total number of homicides in England and Wales in 2015 was 574. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35372940

    England and Wales have a combined population of around 54 million.

    Where England and Wales do resemble the States is the disproportionately large number of blacks involved in crime, viz:

    “In general, Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) groups appear to be over-represented at most stages throughout the CJS, compared to the White ethnic group, though this is not universal and does not appear to worsen as they progress through the system. Among BAME groups, Black and Mixed individuals were often the most over-represented. Trends over time for each ethnic group have tended to mirror overall trends, with little change in relative positions between ethnic groups.”https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2014

    The low homicide rate might at first glance be ascribed to tight gun controls. However, England has since the Middle Ages had an exceptionally low level of violence when compared with other countries. The Canadian sociologist Elliott Leyton examines this fact in his book Men of Blood. This raises the question of how far culture can restrain innate human behavioural tendencies through the working of natural selection on innate human behavioural traits. For example, England may be populated by a disproportionate number of people able to exercise self control.

  187. @Guy de Champlagne
    Chicago doesn't have the highest murder rate, not by a long shot. It just has the most murders due to having a high rate and a very large population. It makes people look kind of silly focusing on chicago. Doubly silly when they seem to think the high murder rate makes the whole city unlivable.

    http://fox6now.com/2016/11/02/americas-25-murder-capitals-milwaukee-has-10th-highest-murder-rate-of-any-american-city/

    To understand how high homicide rates in the US are reflect on the fact that the total number of homicides in England and Wales in 2015 was 574. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35372940

    England and Wales have a combined population of around 54 million.

    Where England and Wales do resemble the States is the disproportionately large number of blacks involved in crime, viz:

    “In general, Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) groups appear to be over-represented at most stages throughout the CJS, compared to the White ethnic group, though this is not universal and does not appear to worsen as they progress through the system. Among BAME groups, Black and Mixed individuals were often the most over-represented. Trends over time for each ethnic group have tended to mirror overall trends, with little change in relative positions between ethnic groups.”https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2014

    The low homicide rate might at first glance be ascribed to tight gun controls. However, England has since the Middle Ages had an exceptionally low level of violence when compared with other countries. The Canadian sociologist Elliott Leyton examines this fact in his book Men of Blood. This raises the question of how far culture can restrain innate human behavioural tendencies through the working of natural selection on innate human behavioural traits. For example, England may be populated by a disproportionate number of people able to exercise self control.

  188. @donut
    That's odd . I'm 66 and remember watching them weekly in primetime with my grand parents who had lived through those times . BTW Frank Nitti killed himself rather than return to prison .

    I’m 66 and watched The Untouchables on ABC primetime 1960-63. Eliot Ness was a real life Prohibition agent, but the TV show was fictional. I read that Robert Stack based his characterization of Ness on “the bravest men I ever knew, Audie Murphy and Butch O’Hare.” Stack remarked that Murphy and O’Hare were examples of men who were the best at what they did but didn’t brag about it.

    Stack said the gangsters were the “stars” of the show and he “reacted rather than acted” in playing Eliot Ness. He also said the show didn’t glorify the gangsters the way the Godfather movies did.

  189. Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa affiliated with the Latin Kings or the Spanish Cobras? That degenerates like him are quoted in the NYT demonstrates why the Times is evacuating three floors.

  190. Steve,

    In an example of an ultimate Alt-Right Troll, Trump could send Jeff Sessions to tour Hyde Park and meet with the University of Chicago’s special campus police force and ask them how they keep their all but gated community murder free while it is surrounded on three sides with South Side mayhem.

    Maybe an impromptu press conference right out side of former U of C’s special law school lecturer BHO’s campus residence would just the ticket.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    If Sessions made it out alive.
  191. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Steve,

    In an example of an ultimate Alt-Right Troll, Trump could send Jeff Sessions to tour Hyde Park and meet with the University of Chicago's special campus police force and ask them how they keep their all but gated community murder free while it is surrounded on three sides with South Side mayhem.

    Maybe an impromptu press conference right out side of former U of C's special law school lecturer BHO's campus residence would just the ticket.

    If Sessions made it out alive.

  192. @Jefferson
    Everyday is a 1929 Saint Valentine's Day Massacre in the city of Chicago, but replace Alphonse Gabriel Capone with Eric Holder's sons.

    Which is why Trump should not let himself be sucked into “doing something” about the endless chaos that is black life. Benign neglect, baby, just like Senator Moynihan counseled. Benign neglect is the only way to keep resources, time and energy from being sucked down the black hole — pun intended.

  193. @unez_rdr
    Well, this is my first comment here, I hope it passes muster!
    eD, your comment got me thinking. What if Pres. Trump did push to do something a bit over the line, a step further than Obama? It would go to court. Evvile Republican! Activist judges. Rule against DC power grab. Shazam! Precedent against such a power grab in the future.
    If this is the system and the rules of the game now, maybe a patriot might use them to his advantage to protect the country from further abuse . . .

    Good first comment. I don’t know how hard it would be to structure something that would yield a solid precedent (i.e. a broad rather than narrow ruling). Probably best considered near the end of either this term or if he is popular his second.

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