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NYT Editorial Board Member: Trump Is Like a Pushy Jew Who Ought to be Blackballed from Our Country Club

From the New York Times Editorial Page:

The ‘Caddyshack’ President
By ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON FEB. 13, 2017

“Now you’ve got some pretty good pictures — the prime minister of Japan, and the president.”

That’s President Trump, crashing a wedding party at his Mar-a-Lago club on Saturday night, immediately after holding a news conference with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan …

… This is rule by Al Czervik, Rodney Dangerfield’s character in “Caddyshack”: a reckless, clownish boor surrounded by sycophants, determined to blow up all convention.

That sounds pretty anti-Semitic, New York Times!

(Not to mention her being racist toward visiting Asian dignitaries.)

Here’s the Caddyshack scene that the NYT Editorial writer was reminded of by Trump and the Oriental gentleman at the country club.

But isn’t Al Czervik actually the hero of the movie, not bigoted Judge Elihu Smailes? After all, Al gets the last line:

C’mon, Elizabeth, confess: you always doze off when your husband tries to make you watch his favorite moronic golf movie, so you don’t actually know what Caddyshack is about.

Screenshot 2017-02-13 19.47.32

Speaking of clownish, I liked this correction:

Correction: February 13, 2017

An earlier version of this article misstated whom Mr. Trump once introduced as “the richest guy in Germany.” It was a golf club member, not a reporter.

Of course, who doesn’t confuse a reporter with the richest guy in Germany?

 
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  1. Are we allowed to say “pushy Jew” now?

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  2. This week, you’re denouncing Trump by comparing him to the hero of the movie.

    The hero was Danny Noonan, whose name I had to look up because the star of that film was so unmemorable and boring. Caddyshack is one of those movies people have to restructure in their heads to remember it as good.

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    The actor who played Noonan played a partner in the law firm in Michael Clayton, where Clooney played the ethnic Catholic local kid who made it to the white shoe law firm in NYC... sort of...
    which kind of would have been the career arc of Noonan...
    , @whorefinder
    I liked the fact that the main plot was moved by boring actors playing it low-key and rather straight; it allowed Dangerfield, Murray, Chase, and Knight to ham it up without it being too overbearing.

    And the Danny Noonan gets to bang Lacey Underall, who made many of us a man back in the day:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIESeY6qq1w


    Quick trivia: Danny's Irish girlfriend, Maggie, was played by Sarah Holcomb. Holcomb is the only actor to appear in both Caddyshack and Animal House ---she plays the 13-year-old jailbait whom the one of the characters has sex with on the football field.

    , @ScarletNumber
    You aren't being fair. Both Danny's first and last name were used as comedic dialogue by other characters, so that should be an easy name to remember. Czervik, on the other hand...
    , @Yak-15
    No. It was an amazing movie. You are boring.
  3. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Trump is more like Dangerfield in BACK TO SCHOOL.

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    • Agree: DWB
    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    Trump will be unable to hire Kurt Vougenot to write his English papers.
  4. Ironically Bill Clinton had to join Trump’s country club in Westchester because none of the other clubs would take him.

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  5. It helps that pushy Jewishness is associated with New York landlords. (As Tony Soprano put it to a shylock from whom he borrowed money, “The rent! The rent!”)

    I was just reading The Edge of Sadness, by Edwin O’Connor, whose protagonist is an alcoholic priest. But most of the story is driven by a millionaire Irish Catholic landlord in some big New England city (I don’t remember whether the book tells us where) named Charlie Carmody. One passage about him struck me as vividly Trumpian:

    “Charlie has a trick that’s worth more than a mountain of gold: he knows how to keep people talking about him. He doesn’t care much what they say, so long as they mention the name. It’s the kind of thing he works at night and day. He has it all figured out, don’t you see, that if he keeps at it long enough, people will do it out of habit, and there’ll come a day when if they don’t mention Charlie’s name they’ll all start to sweat and think maybe they’re not even talking at all.”

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  6. In a closed meeting with Senate Democrats, President Trump points to Kirsten Gillibrand and says, “When I was your age, I’d already made $3 billion!”

    “Yeah? So what?” Chuck Schumer replies.

    “So what? So let’s dance!”

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  7. Irony is that Ted Knight’s birth name was Tadeusz Wladyslaw Konopka.

    Not quite Czervik, but close.

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  8. Seeing Stephen Miller this weekend on the Sunday Morning demonstrated why Jews should not be discounted as allies. Miller shows like a hard-core conservative edge, and unwilling to concede the battlefield at the first sign of tut-tutting by the “good and the great”.

    The Left’s “anyone has a right to emigrate to America” is a Godsend. The stupidity of it won’t be lost on even the least of our polity. And the Attorneys General championing this idiocy will rue their participation, with great ruing.

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    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    @Charles Erwin Wilson,
    Like many Jews in politics, Stephen Miller is very intense and energetic. It's great watching him go after liberals, especially Jewish liberals.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    He was good, it was funny seeing George Stephanopoulos, once the wunderkind himself, getting "aggressive". Seemed hard for him after 8 years of playing softball.
    Miller's performance reminds the rest of us to BTFO the Narrative. Stay strong, hard, dismissive, and focused on the campaign promises... though you could tell he was reading notes off camera. Fine with me. F*ck 'em and their proprieties
    , @Dave Pinsen
    The left (and their allies on the right like Joe Scarborough) have really gone after Miller hard since his round of Sunday shows.
    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/830977464381931520
    , @AndrewR
    Lol wrong!!!

    Miller is a lying snake. He lied about having worked with Richard Spencer at Duke. He can't be trusted as far as we can throw him.
  9. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    OT: Trump just caved and sacked Flynn. What nonsense. There are transcripts of the call. There was/is no mystery as to what was said. This is chickenshit. This is the biggest mistake Trump has made so far.

    The thing about Trump is that he makes big mistakes. He did so throughout the campaign. I can’t believe he just fed Flynn to the sharks. Trump really laid down like a bitch tonight. He still thinks he can appease his enemies.

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    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    Why was there a wiretap on Flynn's phone? More may be revealed later, but the Times is claiming that Flynn's crime was requesting that Russia not imposes sanctions on the US.
    , @Jack D
    He made Pence look like a fool by lying to him repeatedly. Trump would have forgiven him for the rest but you don't make someone above you in the hierarchy look like a fool. Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign and I'm sure Pence was the one who wanted Flynn out.
    , @Anonymous
    Agreed. Deep State won and they will be emboldened to go even further to take out Trump.

    Here's what Col. Pat Lang (USA, ret.), a guy with a lot of experience inside the intelligence community, had to say this evening:


    We intercept every embassy's communications as do they in their countries People who don't know that should stick to the Style Section in the Post. Is it not obvious that someone in the government who has access to the transcripts of the intercepts is giving them to selected media agents. . Now, who would that be? I agree with you that Flynn did the right thing in this. I am surprised that he did not know better than to discuss something like this on the telephone. If Trump does not make deep management purges in cabinet departments and intel agencies, the leakers who are living in his nest will finish him in the end. pl

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/02/httpstheinterceptcom20170212dark-essays-by-white-house-staffer-are-the-intellectual-source-code-of-trumpism.html#comments
     

    , @Jack Hanson
    Whoa another brave anon and his opinions.

    If Flynn would have been candid, he would have been fine. Flynn goofed. Lack of candor will always get you culled.

  10. @FKA Max
    I actually caddied for the richest family in Germany in my youth...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Albrecht
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_Albrecht

    Here...

    http://www.oefte.com/

    Essener Golf Club Haus Oefte E.V.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8--WWAmKr3o

    Do they dress like reporters?

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    No exactly... but one of the sons I caddied for several times, who just recently died, smoked a lot -- like some reporters do-- and he was always wearing sunglasses. I guess he could have been mistaken for a reporter, the Hunter S. Thompson kind of reporter. He was in your height range, Mr. Sailer, around 6 feet and 4 inches tall, maybe even taller.

    This is/was him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthold_Albrecht

    Here some pictures of him, so you can judge for yourself, if he looks or dresses like a reporter: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244577/Aldi-heir-Berthold-Albrecht-dies-leaving-11-billion-fortune-family-wait-month-announce-death.html

    I also suspect, that he is the one who was the member at Trump's club, if Trump was telling the truth to that reporter, because I remember from one of the conversations he had with one of his friends from America on one of the rounds I accompanied him on, that he just loved the Ritz-Carlton in Miami. He just could not stop praising and talking about how much he liked the Ritz-Carlton in Miami. He spend quite a bit of time in Florida as far as I could tell.

    He is also the guy from whom I learned, that if you are a billionaire, or the richest family in Germany/Europe, you never, ever travel together on the same plane... because that would complicate inheritance matters if all of you died in the same plane crash.

    I did some calculations some time back, and I figured that about 1/6th of German GDP plays at that golf club, that I caddied at/for in my youth. I calculated that the billionaires and CEOs who frequented that club and/or who were members there, at the time I caddied there, represented companies with a combined revenue of about 600 billion USD.

    Interesting times for sure.

  11. Flynn’s main enemies were … inside the Trump Administration. Notably Pence, Ivanka, and Jared Kushner.

    Expect someone like Mitt Romney to surface, and “be nice to Muslims” as the new policy.

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  12. No one has ever introduced a reporter as the richest guy of anywhere.

    Flynn is out. Trump really needs to steel himself because his enemies will try to pick off his staff one by one.

    It’s a little crazy that Flynn did not assume that the Obama Administration was taping him when he spoke to the Russian Ambassador on the phone – that alone calls his judgment into question. You’re not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy, Big Brother is watching you. His protestations that he did not remember what was said sounded like weak sauce. Not only should he have assumed that someone was listening in but he should have also assumed that his words would be twisted to paint him in the most unflattering light. Everyone in the Administration has a target on his back and should behave accordingly.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Yeah, this is a mistake. Trump forgot his own lesson from the campaign; never cave. Previously this was a nothing controversy; nobody outside of DC and the media gives half a sh*t about Russian sanctions. Now they've dumped several buckets of bloody chum in the water. Nearly all the comments on the mainstream right-wing sites (Fox, Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, Hot Air) are from anti-Trump liberals. (Which means they're excited and conservatives are depressed).

    I thought Flynn was a mistake from the start; having been the guest of honor seated next to Putin at the Russia Today banquet in Moscow was an enormous red flag that he was inclined towards excessive displays of obsequiousness that would embarrass the administration. Still, firing him shows weakness and implicitly admits to poor judgment on Trump's part and wrongdoing on Flynn's, and so is a much greater mistake.
    , @Glossy
    People have said that Flynn is a partisan of escalating the conflict with Iran. I don't know if he's the loudest one in the administration on that front. If the war with Iran party is weakened by this, that's good. But giving people up is a sign of weakness, and that's bad.
    , @Rod1963
    Flynn showed extremely bad judgement and failed to follow ComSec. Look almost anyone with the security clearance among other things knows that communications with foreign embassies is monitored and recorded - that's how we nabbed low level traitors trying to sell state secrets to the commies during the 80's.

    Flynn should have known that and kept any conversation open and above board because both sides would be recording what he said. He was arrogant and paid for it.

    Oh yeah there's tap on every phone in the White House and those staffers with personal phones.
    You have to assume some spook at the NSA is recording everything they are saying and the transcripts were also released by the NSA - which is a crime.

    Chances are someone in the gang of 8 ordered this release. That's where the rot is.

    Trump had to dump him.
    , @Opinionator
    Have you seen the transcript? (I have not.)

    "Everyone in the Administration has a target on his back and should behave accordingly."

    Completely agree with that. They need to tighten things up.

    , @Anon
    There's a simple fix. Start firing people and keep firing your way down the chain until the leaks stop.
  13. @Anonymous
    OT: Trump just caved and sacked Flynn. What nonsense. There are transcripts of the call. There was/is no mystery as to what was said. This is chickenshit. This is the biggest mistake Trump has made so far.

    The thing about Trump is that he makes big mistakes. He did so throughout the campaign. I can't believe he just fed Flynn to the sharks. Trump really laid down like a bitch tonight. He still thinks he can appease his enemies.

    Why was there a wiretap on Flynn’s phone? More may be revealed later, but the Times is claiming that Flynn’s crime was requesting that Russia not imposes sanctions on the US.

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    • Replies: @Boomstick
    The NSA was hoovering up the Russian side of the conversation. His counterpart in the conversation is a major target.
    , @Opinionator
    Why was there a wiretap on Flynn’s phone? More may be revealed later, but the Times is claiming that Flynn’s crime was requesting that Russia not imposes sanctions on the US

    It's been characterized as standard operating procedure for the US to tap conversations of that Russian official.

    Ironically, persuading the Russians to hold off on sanctions would seem to be a doing a good turn for our country.
  14. @Anonymous
    OT: Trump just caved and sacked Flynn. What nonsense. There are transcripts of the call. There was/is no mystery as to what was said. This is chickenshit. This is the biggest mistake Trump has made so far.

    The thing about Trump is that he makes big mistakes. He did so throughout the campaign. I can't believe he just fed Flynn to the sharks. Trump really laid down like a bitch tonight. He still thinks he can appease his enemies.

    He made Pence look like a fool by lying to him repeatedly. Trump would have forgiven him for the rest but you don’t make someone above you in the hierarchy look like a fool. Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign and I’m sure Pence was the one who wanted Flynn out.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    He made Pence look like a fool by lying to him repeatedly. Trump would have forgiven him for the rest but you don’t make someone above you in the hierarchy look like a fool. Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign and I’m sure Pence was the one who wanted Flynn out.
     
    Bullshit.

    Pence is a mediocre intellect neocon who wants war with Russia. He said so in the debates. He was a mediocre radio talk show before going into politics.

    Of course it was all bullshit and Flynn never made reference to sanctions just improved relations. Russian Strategic Rocket Forces had gone to DEFCON-2 and were moving toward DEFCON-1. Flynn knew this and needed to deescalate as NSA designee.

    With a Flynn's resignation Deep State won. Trump and the outsiders lost. Big time. Deep State HAD to take out Flynn because he was inside the belly of the Deep State as head of DIA and knew their m.o. They fabricated and lied and pushed the narrative and won. Major loss for realists. So, first we have the federal judiciary controlling our immigration policy and now we have Deep State controlling foreign policy and making the world safe for Davos.

    And I can't believe Trump caved. It will only get ten times worse for him now.

    , @guest
    "Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign"

    Trump front-paid him for that by putting Pence on the ticket. I don't think Pence went beyond the call of duty for a VP candidate, except insofar as Trump was an outsider who needed steering. Also insofar as Trump was an unusual candidate, hated by all insiders including his own party, and given ridiculously low chances of winning. But Pence knew that going in.

    , @Opinionator
    I'd like to see the transcript before making such a strong judgment.

    But consider a different perspective: Wasn't it the leakers who made Pence look like a fool? Otherwise, what was the harm here? The United States avoided having sanctions imposed on it. I was glad of that when it happened.

    I have yet to see an explanation given by the media for how Flynn was "compromise" and vulnerable to blackmail as a result of this. (The guess explanation I make is not very convincing.)
  15. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jack D
    He made Pence look like a fool by lying to him repeatedly. Trump would have forgiven him for the rest but you don't make someone above you in the hierarchy look like a fool. Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign and I'm sure Pence was the one who wanted Flynn out.

    He made Pence look like a fool by lying to him repeatedly. Trump would have forgiven him for the rest but you don’t make someone above you in the hierarchy look like a fool. Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign and I’m sure Pence was the one who wanted Flynn out.

    Bullshit.

    Pence is a mediocre intellect neocon who wants war with Russia. He said so in the debates. He was a mediocre radio talk show before going into politics.

    Of course it was all bullshit and Flynn never made reference to sanctions just improved relations. Russian Strategic Rocket Forces had gone to DEFCON-2 and were moving toward DEFCON-1. Flynn knew this and needed to deescalate as NSA designee.

    With a Flynn’s resignation Deep State won. Trump and the outsiders lost. Big time. Deep State HAD to take out Flynn because he was inside the belly of the Deep State as head of DIA and knew their m.o. They fabricated and lied and pushed the narrative and won. Major loss for realists. So, first we have the federal judiciary controlling our immigration policy and now we have Deep State controlling foreign policy and making the world safe for Davos.

    And I can’t believe Trump caved. It will only get ten times worse for him now.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Chickenshit is really an excellent way to describe this.
    Banon, Decius and Miller will be next.
    , @Olorin
    Trump tests loyalty.

    This guy failed.

    You're anon, and anon agrees. Surprise.

    Your prose style and syntax strikes me as a bit of Edelman mixed with a touch of Ogilvy and a dollop of Ketchum. But surely that's just me projecting. Surely you're more to the tune of SKDK Knickerbocker.
  16. @Jack D
    No one has ever introduced a reporter as the richest guy of anywhere.

    Flynn is out. Trump really needs to steel himself because his enemies will try to pick off his staff one by one.

    It's a little crazy that Flynn did not assume that the Obama Administration was taping him when he spoke to the Russian Ambassador on the phone - that alone calls his judgment into question. You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy, Big Brother is watching you. His protestations that he did not remember what was said sounded like weak sauce. Not only should he have assumed that someone was listening in but he should have also assumed that his words would be twisted to paint him in the most unflattering light. Everyone in the Administration has a target on his back and should behave accordingly.

    Yeah, this is a mistake. Trump forgot his own lesson from the campaign; never cave. Previously this was a nothing controversy; nobody outside of DC and the media gives half a sh*t about Russian sanctions. Now they’ve dumped several buckets of bloody chum in the water. Nearly all the comments on the mainstream right-wing sites (Fox, Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, Hot Air) are from anti-Trump liberals. (Which means they’re excited and conservatives are depressed).

    I thought Flynn was a mistake from the start; having been the guest of honor seated next to Putin at the Russia Today banquet in Moscow was an enormous red flag that he was inclined towards excessive displays of obsequiousness that would embarrass the administration. Still, firing him shows weakness and implicitly admits to poor judgment on Trump’s part and wrongdoing on Flynn’s, and so is a much greater mistake.

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  17. @Jack D
    He made Pence look like a fool by lying to him repeatedly. Trump would have forgiven him for the rest but you don't make someone above you in the hierarchy look like a fool. Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign and I'm sure Pence was the one who wanted Flynn out.

    “Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign”

    Trump front-paid him for that by putting Pence on the ticket. I don’t think Pence went beyond the call of duty for a VP candidate, except insofar as Trump was an outsider who needed steering. Also insofar as Trump was an unusual candidate, hated by all insiders including his own party, and given ridiculously low chances of winning. But Pence knew that going in.

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    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    Not true. Pences' manly destruction of the nincompoop Kaine was a turning point and a major morale boost for the campaign. And it completely settled the 'heart attack' issue overnight.
  18. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Seeing Stephen Miller this weekend on the Sunday Morning demonstrated why Jews should not be discounted as allies. Miller shows like a hard-core conservative edge, and unwilling to concede the battlefield at the first sign of tut-tutting by the "good and the great".

    The Left's "anyone has a right to emigrate to America" is a Godsend. The stupidity of it won't be lost on even the least of our polity. And the Attorneys General championing this idiocy will rue their participation, with great ruing.

    ,
    Like many Jews in politics, Stephen Miller is very intense and energetic. It’s great watching him go after liberals, especially Jewish liberals.

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  19. Trump’s personality is very Jewish: he never forgets any insults or feuds from the past; and he always makes his opponent the guilty person. He would be a very good politician in Israel.

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  20. @Jack D
    No one has ever introduced a reporter as the richest guy of anywhere.

    Flynn is out. Trump really needs to steel himself because his enemies will try to pick off his staff one by one.

    It's a little crazy that Flynn did not assume that the Obama Administration was taping him when he spoke to the Russian Ambassador on the phone - that alone calls his judgment into question. You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy, Big Brother is watching you. His protestations that he did not remember what was said sounded like weak sauce. Not only should he have assumed that someone was listening in but he should have also assumed that his words would be twisted to paint him in the most unflattering light. Everyone in the Administration has a target on his back and should behave accordingly.

    People have said that Flynn is a partisan of escalating the conflict with Iran. I don’t know if he’s the loudest one in the administration on that front. If the war with Iran party is weakened by this, that’s good. But giving people up is a sign of weakness, and that’s bad.

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    • Replies: @guest
    "If the war with Iran party is weakened by this, that's good"

    It will almost certainly be to the advantage of the War Party as a whole, which isn't focused on Iran but wants it all. Except Saudi Arabia and Israel.
  21. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    OT: Trump just caved and sacked Flynn. What nonsense. There are transcripts of the call. There was/is no mystery as to what was said. This is chickenshit. This is the biggest mistake Trump has made so far.

    The thing about Trump is that he makes big mistakes. He did so throughout the campaign. I can't believe he just fed Flynn to the sharks. Trump really laid down like a bitch tonight. He still thinks he can appease his enemies.

    Agreed. Deep State won and they will be emboldened to go even further to take out Trump.

    Here’s what Col. Pat Lang (USA, ret.), a guy with a lot of experience inside the intelligence community, had to say this evening:

    We intercept every embassy’s communications as do they in their countries People who don’t know that should stick to the Style Section in the Post. Is it not obvious that someone in the government who has access to the transcripts of the intercepts is giving them to selected media agents. . Now, who would that be? I agree with you that Flynn did the right thing in this. I am surprised that he did not know better than to discuss something like this on the telephone. If Trump does not make deep management purges in cabinet departments and intel agencies, the leakers who are living in his nest will finish him in the end. pl

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/02/httpstheinterceptcom20170212dark-essays-by-white-house-staffer-are-the-intellectual-source-code-of-trumpism.html#comments

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  22. @Steve Sailer
    Do they dress like reporters?

    No exactly… but one of the sons I caddied for several times, who just recently died, smoked a lot — like some reporters do– and he was always wearing sunglasses. I guess he could have been mistaken for a reporter, the Hunter S. Thompson kind of reporter. He was in your height range, Mr. Sailer, around 6 feet and 4 inches tall, maybe even taller.

    This is/was him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthold_Albrecht

    Here some pictures of him, so you can judge for yourself, if he looks or dresses like a reporter: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244577/Aldi-heir-Berthold-Albrecht-dies-leaving-11-billion-fortune-family-wait-month-announce-death.html

    I also suspect, that he is the one who was the member at Trump’s club, if Trump was telling the truth to that reporter, because I remember from one of the conversations he had with one of his friends from America on one of the rounds I accompanied him on, that he just loved the Ritz-Carlton in Miami. He just could not stop praising and talking about how much he liked the Ritz-Carlton in Miami. He spend quite a bit of time in Florida as far as I could tell.

    He is also the guy from whom I learned, that if you are a billionaire, or the richest family in Germany/Europe, you never, ever travel together on the same plane… because that would complicate inheritance matters if all of you died in the same plane crash.

    I did some calculations some time back, and I figured that about 1/6th of German GDP plays at that golf club, that I caddied at/for in my youth. I calculated that the billionaires and CEOs who frequented that club and/or who were members there, at the time I caddied there, represented companies with a combined revenue of about 600 billion USD.

    Interesting times for sure.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    Corrections: *Not* exactly… & He *spent* quite a bit of time in Florida...

    Sorry, I rushed that comment a bit...

    The American he played golf with that day was actually the CEO of Trader Joe's, who was about to retire. They had flown him out to Germany on a farewell trip with golfing, etc.


    Germany's Theo Albrecht of Aldi Nord bought the company in 1979 as a personal investment for his family.[6] Coulombe was succeeded as CEO by John Shields in 1987. Under his leadership the company expanded beyond California, moving into Arizona in 1993 and into the Pacific Northwest two years later.[2] In 1996, the company opened its first stores on the East Coast: in Brookline and Cambridge both outside Boston.[2] Shields retired in 2001 when Dan Bane succeeded him as CEO after being the President of the Western Division. When Bane became CEO there were 156 stores in 15 states.[11]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trader_Joe's#History

    John Shields (23 March 1932 - 31 October 2014) was an American businessman who was the CEO of the American grocery store chain Trader Joe's from 1988 to 2001.[1] Shields was voted the Master Entrepreneur of the Los Angeles Area in 1993.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_V._Shields
  23. @Clifford Brown
    Why was there a wiretap on Flynn's phone? More may be revealed later, but the Times is claiming that Flynn's crime was requesting that Russia not imposes sanctions on the US.

    The NSA was hoovering up the Russian side of the conversation. His counterpart in the conversation is a major target.

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  24. FactsAreImportant did it first! (In my comment on May 19):

    Was Caddy Shack a prophetic foretelling of Trump’s takeover of the Republican party?

    Rodney Dangerfield is a REAL ESTATE developer who takes over the stuffy country club headed by Ted Knight. The members are outraged by the uncouth, ORANGE-clad Dangerfield, who is rude to women and club members, and who ends up beating Ted Knight at his own game (golf).

    Coincidence? Or eerily accurate prophetic prophecy? You decide!

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/surname-and-status-in-florence-persist-since-donatellos-time/?highlight=caddy#comment-1425238

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    • Replies: @guest
    You know what I always wondered about the "rude to women" Al Czervik? He crashes a party, dances with an old bag (Ted Knight's wife? I forget), and asks, "Wanna make $14 the hard way?" How did arrive at that figure?
  25. @Glossy
    People have said that Flynn is a partisan of escalating the conflict with Iran. I don't know if he's the loudest one in the administration on that front. If the war with Iran party is weakened by this, that's good. But giving people up is a sign of weakness, and that's bad.

    “If the war with Iran party is weakened by this, that’s good”

    It will almost certainly be to the advantage of the War Party as a whole, which isn’t focused on Iran but wants it all. Except Saudi Arabia and Israel.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    But Iran is one of their two primary targets in the Middle East (along with Syria), wouldn't you say?

    And globally Russia probably tops the list. So regardless of how we may feel about Flynn's hostility toward Iran and Syria, his removal helps to clear the path toward hostility against Russia.
  26. Steve, you missed the best part of the NY Times comparison: they make it based on racism against East Asians!

    “Now you’ve got some pretty good pictures — the prime minister of Japan, and the president.”

    That’s President Trump, crashing a wedding party at his Mar-a-Lago club on Saturday night, immediately after holding a news conference with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan

    When Rodney Dangerfield is introduced (and promptly steals) Caddyshack, he’s introduced riding into the country club (Bushwood!) with his Asian, non-speaking friend…Mr Wang!:

    But Wang is a Chinese surname, not a a Japanese one: https://infogalactic.com/info/Wang_%28surname%29

    In other words, the NY Times is so racist that they were inspired to compare Trump to Rodney Dangerfield because they confused a Japanese man (Abe) with a Chinese one (Wang) walking into a country club with the loud, garish white guy. Massive Pokemon point deduction against those racists!

    Also, hilarious they don’t get how Dangerfield was the good guy in Caddyshack. Talk about cultural disconnect. This is why Trump won.

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    • Replies: @guest
    "I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?"

    All things considered, it doesn't matter who was what race, which characters were the good or bad guys, what the writers, actors, and director intended, or any of that. What matters is it's all one big pile of un-PC humor, and the NYT is free to rearrange it as it sees fit.

    "This is my friend, Mr. Wang...no offense!"

    , @Foreign Expert
    Right. Wang is pronounced Oh in Japanese, like the baseball player.
  27. Also, Steve, when will we get a breakdown of the architecture of Bushwood? Was it mid-Century design or classic 1920s?How likely was it the minister would score a hole in one in the rain on that hole? Where was the shack in relation to the pool? How much property damage did that gopher cause?

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  28. @Guy de Champlagne
    This week, you’re denouncing Trump by comparing him to the hero of the movie.

    The hero was Danny Noonan, whose name I had to look up because the star of that film was so unmemorable and boring. Caddyshack is one of those movies people have to restructure in their heads to remember it as good.

    The actor who played Noonan played a partner in the law firm in Michael Clayton, where Clooney played the ethnic Catholic local kid who made it to the white shoe law firm in NYC… sort of…
    which kind of would have been the career arc of Noonan…

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    • Replies: @guest
    As I recall his boss was Sydney Pollack, who doesn't strike me as the traditional "white shoe" type. Not that it was Czervik at Law, or anything.
    , @Hibernian
    "the ethnic Catholic local kid"

    A description which could fit guys ranging from John Gotti jr. to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
  29. @Guy de Champlagne
    This week, you’re denouncing Trump by comparing him to the hero of the movie.

    The hero was Danny Noonan, whose name I had to look up because the star of that film was so unmemorable and boring. Caddyshack is one of those movies people have to restructure in their heads to remember it as good.

    I liked the fact that the main plot was moved by boring actors playing it low-key and rather straight; it allowed Dangerfield, Murray, Chase, and Knight to ham it up without it being too overbearing.

    And the Danny Noonan gets to bang Lacey Underall, who made many of us a man back in the day:

    Quick trivia: Danny’s Irish girlfriend, Maggie, was played by Sarah Holcomb. Holcomb is the only actor to appear in both Caddyshack and Animal House —she plays the 13-year-old jailbait whom the one of the characters has sex with on the football field.

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    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    She never appeared in another movie again.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    "Holcomb is the only actor to appear in both Caddyshack and Animal House"

    Doug Kenney's in both, of course. Stork and one of Al's 'sycophants' doing coke on the dining table.

  30. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Seeing Stephen Miller this weekend on the Sunday Morning demonstrated why Jews should not be discounted as allies. Miller shows like a hard-core conservative edge, and unwilling to concede the battlefield at the first sign of tut-tutting by the "good and the great".

    The Left's "anyone has a right to emigrate to America" is a Godsend. The stupidity of it won't be lost on even the least of our polity. And the Attorneys General championing this idiocy will rue their participation, with great ruing.

    He was good, it was funny seeing George Stephanopoulos, once the wunderkind himself, getting “aggressive”. Seemed hard for him after 8 years of playing softball.
    Miller’s performance reminds the rest of us to BTFO the Narrative. Stay strong, hard, dismissive, and focused on the campaign promises… though you could tell he was reading notes off camera. Fine with me. F*ck ‘em and their proprieties

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  31. @FactsAreImportant
    FactsAreImportant did it first! (In my comment on May 19):

    Was Caddy Shack a prophetic foretelling of Trump’s takeover of the Republican party?

    Rodney Dangerfield is a REAL ESTATE developer who takes over the stuffy country club headed by Ted Knight. The members are outraged by the uncouth, ORANGE-clad Dangerfield, who is rude to women and club members, and who ends up beating Ted Knight at his own game (golf).

    Coincidence? Or eerily accurate prophetic prophecy? You decide!
     

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/surname-and-status-in-florence-persist-since-donatellos-time/?highlight=caddy#comment-1425238

    You know what I always wondered about the “rude to women” Al Czervik? He crashes a party, dances with an old bag (Ted Knight’s wife? I forget), and asks, “Wanna make $14 the hard way?” How did arrive at that figure?

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  32. @whorefinder
    Steve, you missed the best part of the NY Times comparison: they make it based on racism against East Asians!

    "Now you’ve got some pretty good pictures — the prime minister of Japan, and the president.”

    That’s President Trump, crashing a wedding party at his Mar-a-Lago club on Saturday night, immediately after holding a news conference with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan
     

    When Rodney Dangerfield is introduced (and promptly steals) Caddyshack, he's introduced riding into the country club (Bushwood!) with his Asian, non-speaking friend...Mr Wang!:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=171FURqSIQc

    But Wang is a Chinese surname, not a a Japanese one: https://infogalactic.com/info/Wang_%28surname%29

    In other words, the NY Times is so racist that they were inspired to compare Trump to Rodney Dangerfield because they confused a Japanese man (Abe) with a Chinese one (Wang) walking into a country club with the loud, garish white guy. Massive Pokemon point deduction against those racists!

    Also, hilarious they don't get how Dangerfield was the good guy in Caddyshack. Talk about cultural disconnect. This is why Trump won.

    “I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don’t tell ‘em you’re Jewish, okay?”

    All things considered, it doesn’t matter who was what race, which characters were the good or bad guys, what the writers, actors, and director intended, or any of that. What matters is it’s all one big pile of un-PC humor, and the NYT is free to rearrange it as it sees fit.

    “This is my friend, Mr. Wang…no offense!”

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  33. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    The actor who played Noonan played a partner in the law firm in Michael Clayton, where Clooney played the ethnic Catholic local kid who made it to the white shoe law firm in NYC... sort of...
    which kind of would have been the career arc of Noonan...

    As I recall his boss was Sydney Pollack, who doesn’t strike me as the traditional “white shoe” type. Not that it was Czervik at Law, or anything.

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Indeed, and Pollack was perfect casting. But Michael O'Keefe -Danny Noonan- as the sort of vindictive partner (to his co-ethnic blue collar Irishman), still subservient to Pollack, is the essential way that goodwhites police ethnic (bad) whites. Play ball with the tribe against your folk and boom you're hot shit... Noonan wasn't a main character but damn when I saw him I thought of all my BC, Georgetown, and Fordham friends...
  34. @FKA Max
    No exactly... but one of the sons I caddied for several times, who just recently died, smoked a lot -- like some reporters do-- and he was always wearing sunglasses. I guess he could have been mistaken for a reporter, the Hunter S. Thompson kind of reporter. He was in your height range, Mr. Sailer, around 6 feet and 4 inches tall, maybe even taller.

    This is/was him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthold_Albrecht

    Here some pictures of him, so you can judge for yourself, if he looks or dresses like a reporter: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244577/Aldi-heir-Berthold-Albrecht-dies-leaving-11-billion-fortune-family-wait-month-announce-death.html

    I also suspect, that he is the one who was the member at Trump's club, if Trump was telling the truth to that reporter, because I remember from one of the conversations he had with one of his friends from America on one of the rounds I accompanied him on, that he just loved the Ritz-Carlton in Miami. He just could not stop praising and talking about how much he liked the Ritz-Carlton in Miami. He spend quite a bit of time in Florida as far as I could tell.

    He is also the guy from whom I learned, that if you are a billionaire, or the richest family in Germany/Europe, you never, ever travel together on the same plane... because that would complicate inheritance matters if all of you died in the same plane crash.

    I did some calculations some time back, and I figured that about 1/6th of German GDP plays at that golf club, that I caddied at/for in my youth. I calculated that the billionaires and CEOs who frequented that club and/or who were members there, at the time I caddied there, represented companies with a combined revenue of about 600 billion USD.

    Interesting times for sure.

    Corrections: *Not* exactly… & He *spent* quite a bit of time in Florida…

    Sorry, I rushed that comment a bit…

    The American he played golf with that day was actually the CEO of Trader Joe’s, who was about to retire. They had flown him out to Germany on a farewell trip with golfing, etc.

    Germany’s Theo Albrecht of Aldi Nord bought the company in 1979 as a personal investment for his family.[6] Coulombe was succeeded as CEO by John Shields in 1987. Under his leadership the company expanded beyond California, moving into Arizona in 1993 and into the Pacific Northwest two years later.[2] In 1996, the company opened its first stores on the East Coast: in Brookline and Cambridge both outside Boston.[2] Shields retired in 2001 when Dan Bane succeeded him as CEO after being the President of the Western Division. When Bane became CEO there were 156 stores in 15 states.[11]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trader_Joe’s#History

    John Shields (23 March 1932 – 31 October 2014) was an American businessman who was the CEO of the American grocery store chain Trader Joe’s from 1988 to 2001.[1] Shields was voted the Master Entrepreneur of the Los Angeles Area in 1993.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_V._Shields

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    his mannerisms are very Noo Yawk blue collar

    i expect that triggers people who have tried to lose those mannerisms

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  36. On a different note, how could the NY Times publish this and not know they would be laughed at and memed into oblivion on the issue? Seriously, the tone deafness of the Left here when it comes to how people view Caddyshack and how pearl-clutching the Left’s overreactions are—it’s breathtaking. We’re three months after the election, and they still think that calling Trump “boorish” and “uncouth” and “rude” will somehow get Hillary Clinton elected.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "On a different note, how could the NY Times publish this and not know they would be laughed at and memed into oblivion on the issue?"

    Will they?

    Stuff I find funny usually doesn't go viral.

  37. The actor who played Noonan played a partner in the law firm in Michael Clayton, where Clooney played the ethnic Catholic local kid who made it to the white shoe law firm in NYC… sort of…
    which kind of would have been the career arc of Noonan…

    Good read on one of my favorite films since 2000 directed by Tony Gilroy. Clooney never quite fits in with the elite corporate law firm system. His Irish working class background and family are both the source of his downfall and how he eventually escapes the amoral corporate system. I also read something inherently Celtic in the three horses on the hill that inspire Clooney to leave his car and, thus, survive the car bombing. Symbolically, the horses represent his family and how he will eventually escape the predicament that he is in by reaching out to his imperfect family.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8BL6-a_lzM

    Tony Gilroy’s films range from The Devil’s Advocate, a cheesy, but highly entertaining, occult take on Manhattan law firm corruption, the Bourne movies, the underrated and darkly, beautiful LA centric Nightcrawler (as Producer working with his brother, Dan Gilroy) to Star Wars: Rogue One which he allegedly rescued from the ashes. I am quite the fan of his work. Still, Michael Clayton is my favorite.

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    A DC insider friend said this is the essential movie for Catholics who think they can make it in DC. Catholics can't (and stay Catholic). You're always a fixer, never a partner, never an owner, never "in charge" despite demographics
    , @Seth Largo
    This is why I love the Sailer-sphere crew. I thought I was the only person on the planet with such a high regard for Michael Clayton. Tom Wilkinson is fantastic in it, and the long take finale is a nice art house touch.
  38. @Anonymous
    OT: Trump just caved and sacked Flynn. What nonsense. There are transcripts of the call. There was/is no mystery as to what was said. This is chickenshit. This is the biggest mistake Trump has made so far.

    The thing about Trump is that he makes big mistakes. He did so throughout the campaign. I can't believe he just fed Flynn to the sharks. Trump really laid down like a bitch tonight. He still thinks he can appease his enemies.

    Whoa another brave anon and his opinions.

    If Flynn would have been candid, he would have been fine. Flynn goofed. Lack of candor will always get you culled.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Have you read the transcript?
    , @AndrewR
    Does Trump pay you to be his shameless sycophant, do you do it for free, or do you pay him for the honor?

    "Omg someone criticized Dear Leader! I had better insult them real quick before more people start thinking for themselves!"

  39. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Trump and Ryan

    1) on the one hand the media are the primary enemy so caving to them on anything is bad

    2) on the other, maybe there’s more to it that was worse than caving

    hard to say

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  40. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Seeing Stephen Miller this weekend on the Sunday Morning demonstrated why Jews should not be discounted as allies. Miller shows like a hard-core conservative edge, and unwilling to concede the battlefield at the first sign of tut-tutting by the "good and the great".

    The Left's "anyone has a right to emigrate to America" is a Godsend. The stupidity of it won't be lost on even the least of our polity. And the Attorneys General championing this idiocy will rue their participation, with great ruing.

    The left (and their allies on the right like Joe Scarborough) have really gone after Miller hard since his round of Sunday shows.
    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/830977464381931520

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  41. @whorefinder
    On a different note, how could the NY Times publish this and not know they would be laughed at and memed into oblivion on the issue? Seriously, the tone deafness of the Left here when it comes to how people view Caddyshack and how pearl-clutching the Left's overreactions are---it's breathtaking. We're three months after the election, and they still think that calling Trump "boorish" and "uncouth" and "rude" will somehow get Hillary Clinton elected.

    “On a different note, how could the NY Times publish this and not know they would be laughed at and memed into oblivion on the issue?”

    Will they?

    Stuff I find funny usually doesn’t go viral.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    For months, we on the pro-Trump side have been half-joking/half-serious in comparing Trump to Dangerfield in Caddyshack, in a very positive way. For the NY Times to pick it up and try to make it seem negative is totally missing the boat, and re-invigorating the meme.

    I'm guessing either the NY Times staffers discovered the meme but didn't note how it was being used and thought they could "own" it, or else there is a secret troll/mole at the paper who mentioned it to the editors and got them to publish it in all dour seriousness while the troll/mole was laughing his head off.

    Now whenever someone Googles the meme "Trump Caddyshack" they're getting a NY Times editorial in all it's seriousness that sounds straight out of a Judge Smails press release from Bushwood.

    And this, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhRCD6MQ0Ps

    , @Forbes

    Stuff I find funny usually doesn’t go viral.
     
    Considering it's from the NYT--given the NYT's declining influence--might explain it.
  42. @Jack D
    No one has ever introduced a reporter as the richest guy of anywhere.

    Flynn is out. Trump really needs to steel himself because his enemies will try to pick off his staff one by one.

    It's a little crazy that Flynn did not assume that the Obama Administration was taping him when he spoke to the Russian Ambassador on the phone - that alone calls his judgment into question. You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy, Big Brother is watching you. His protestations that he did not remember what was said sounded like weak sauce. Not only should he have assumed that someone was listening in but he should have also assumed that his words would be twisted to paint him in the most unflattering light. Everyone in the Administration has a target on his back and should behave accordingly.

    Flynn showed extremely bad judgement and failed to follow ComSec. Look almost anyone with the security clearance among other things knows that communications with foreign embassies is monitored and recorded – that’s how we nabbed low level traitors trying to sell state secrets to the commies during the 80′s.

    Flynn should have known that and kept any conversation open and above board because both sides would be recording what he said. He was arrogant and paid for it.

    Oh yeah there’s tap on every phone in the White House and those staffers with personal phones.
    You have to assume some spook at the NSA is recording everything they are saying and the transcripts were also released by the NSA – which is a crime.

    Chances are someone in the gang of 8 ordered this release. That’s where the rot is.

    Trump had to dump him.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Flynn should have known that and kept any conversation open and above board because both sides would be recording what he said. He was arrogant and paid for it.

    What was not above board about the conversation? Flynn presumably thought he was doing our country a good turn if Russia would decide to delay sanctions.
  43. … This is rule by Al Czervik, Rodney Dangerfield’s character in “Caddyshack”: a reckless, clownish boor surrounded by sycophants, determined to blow up all convention.

    “Blow up all convention” or “Blow up all gopher tunnels.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Hx5ka1FiA

    Is it just me, or does Caddyshack end with the triumphant, defiantly pre-CGI gopher dancing to the song “I’m Alt Right” by Kenny Loggins. I’m not one for meme magic, but this is all getting too weird.

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  44. @Steve Sailer
    "On a different note, how could the NY Times publish this and not know they would be laughed at and memed into oblivion on the issue?"

    Will they?

    Stuff I find funny usually doesn't go viral.

    For months, we on the pro-Trump side have been half-joking/half-serious in comparing Trump to Dangerfield in Caddyshack, in a very positive way. For the NY Times to pick it up and try to make it seem negative is totally missing the boat, and re-invigorating the meme.

    I’m guessing either the NY Times staffers discovered the meme but didn’t note how it was being used and thought they could “own” it, or else there is a secret troll/mole at the paper who mentioned it to the editors and got them to publish it in all dour seriousness while the troll/mole was laughing his head off.

    Now whenever someone Googles the meme “Trump Caddyshack” they’re getting a NY Times editorial in all it’s seriousness that sounds straight out of a Judge Smails press release from Bushwood.

    And this, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhRCD6MQ0Ps

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    • Replies: @Njguy73
    And then there's this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STgUzV72qyU
    , @Forbes
    I have it on good authority there aren't any troll/moles at the NYT planting memes so as to laugh their head off. Conversely, the first explanation--discovered the meme but didn't understand it, thought they could own it--makes complete sense. The NYT is certain it owns the news, sets the agenda, writes The Narrative--everyone else are mere amateurs.

    It's three months after the election, and they think "The Caddyshack President" is both clever and devastating--when it's neither.
  45. Steve,

    Did you coin “The Megaphone” and “Invade the Word Invite the World”?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The latter, I think.

    "Megaphone" comes from a commenter, perhaps Svigor.

    , @benjaminl
    As a longtime fan, I recall that "in hock to the world" was originally appended to the end of the latter.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/09/invade-world-invite-world-in-hock-to.html
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/10/introduction-to-my-book-americas-half.html
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/search/label/invade%20invite%20in%20hock

    nicely tying in the Sand State Housing Bubble. Apparently it made it into Steve's Obama book too (see second link)
  46. In other entertainment news – A former Bond girl is to star as the new lead in a reboot of SWAT. Mexicans making inroads on the small screen. In more diversity news, the Bachelorette is going to be a Black woman next go-around. It will be interesting to see what effect this has on the legions of nice white ladies who regularly watch the show – will they want to see 30 Black men competing for her hand in marriage. Even more interesting is the behind the scenes drama – will ABC have to discount ad rates in order to fill all of the commercial spots?

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  47. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Maybe Jews hate Trump because he reminds them of their pushy, annoying Jewish uncle without the excuse of being Jewish.

    Reporters may hate him because he reminds them of their first landlord back when they moved to New York as young cubs just out of journalism school, and when he showed them the rat hole he had available for $2800 a month, they just cried.

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    So, Trump is literally Jewish Hitler.

    And Jews are now like Joseph McCarthy and Cold Warriors in SEVEN DAYS IN MAY.

    Russians are coming!! We need military takeover to stop Trump!!

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  49. @Opinionator
    Steve,

    Did you coin "The Megaphone" and "Invade the Word Invite the World"?

    The latter, I think.

    “Megaphone” comes from a commenter, perhaps Svigor.

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  50. @guest
    As I recall his boss was Sydney Pollack, who doesn't strike me as the traditional "white shoe" type. Not that it was Czervik at Law, or anything.

    Indeed, and Pollack was perfect casting. But Michael O’Keefe -Danny Noonan- as the sort of vindictive partner (to his co-ethnic blue collar Irishman), still subservient to Pollack, is the essential way that goodwhites police ethnic (bad) whites. Play ball with the tribe against your folk and boom you’re hot shit… Noonan wasn’t a main character but damn when I saw him I thought of all my BC, Georgetown, and Fordham friends…

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  51. I’m getting the distinct impression I should communicate to Steve solely via YouTube clips he can re-post.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Video wins over everything. It's far more compelling to most people and far more effective (when well-produced) than any other medium. Not for nothing did our self-styled 'betters' gain a stranglehold on movies and broadcast media early on. Not incidentally, it's generally one-way communication, like movies and television.

    I have to avoid a lot of sites which now post videos instead of print stories, since I'm often on my phone and don't have the bandwidth. Besides, I don't like the slow pace of video, which you can't really adjust.

    Even worse, some of my favorite discussion sites have devolved into people simply posting YouTube links back and forth, in lieu of thinking up, you know, words of their own. Our preference here for actual language and interaction is one reason unz.com continues to attract intelligent contributors. Long may it last!

  52. @Jack D
    No one has ever introduced a reporter as the richest guy of anywhere.

    Flynn is out. Trump really needs to steel himself because his enemies will try to pick off his staff one by one.

    It's a little crazy that Flynn did not assume that the Obama Administration was taping him when he spoke to the Russian Ambassador on the phone - that alone calls his judgment into question. You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy, Big Brother is watching you. His protestations that he did not remember what was said sounded like weak sauce. Not only should he have assumed that someone was listening in but he should have also assumed that his words would be twisted to paint him in the most unflattering light. Everyone in the Administration has a target on his back and should behave accordingly.

    Have you seen the transcript? (I have not.)

    “Everyone in the Administration has a target on his back and should behave accordingly.”

    Completely agree with that. They need to tighten things up.

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  53. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jack D
    No one has ever introduced a reporter as the richest guy of anywhere.

    Flynn is out. Trump really needs to steel himself because his enemies will try to pick off his staff one by one.

    It's a little crazy that Flynn did not assume that the Obama Administration was taping him when he spoke to the Russian Ambassador on the phone - that alone calls his judgment into question. You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy, Big Brother is watching you. His protestations that he did not remember what was said sounded like weak sauce. Not only should he have assumed that someone was listening in but he should have also assumed that his words would be twisted to paint him in the most unflattering light. Everyone in the Administration has a target on his back and should behave accordingly.

    There’s a simple fix. Start firing people and keep firing your way down the chain until the leaks stop.

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    • Replies: @Busby
    No. Float multiple versions of the same story to selected targets. See what is published in the paper.

    I doubt we ever see the transcript. Classified SCI.
  54. @Clifford Brown
    Why was there a wiretap on Flynn's phone? More may be revealed later, but the Times is claiming that Flynn's crime was requesting that Russia not imposes sanctions on the US.

    Why was there a wiretap on Flynn’s phone? More may be revealed later, but the Times is claiming that Flynn’s crime was requesting that Russia not imposes sanctions on the US

    It’s been characterized as standard operating procedure for the US to tap conversations of that Russian official.

    Ironically, persuading the Russians to hold off on sanctions would seem to be a doing a good turn for our country.

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  55. @Jack D
    He made Pence look like a fool by lying to him repeatedly. Trump would have forgiven him for the rest but you don't make someone above you in the hierarchy look like a fool. Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign and I'm sure Pence was the one who wanted Flynn out.

    I’d like to see the transcript before making such a strong judgment.

    But consider a different perspective: Wasn’t it the leakers who made Pence look like a fool? Otherwise, what was the harm here? The United States avoided having sanctions imposed on it. I was glad of that when it happened.

    I have yet to see an explanation given by the media for how Flynn was “compromise” and vulnerable to blackmail as a result of this. (The guess explanation I make is not very convincing.)

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    The "compromised" thing was pure BS by Obama holdovers. Flynn's crime was lying to the people on his team - they would have had his back if he had had theirs, but he left them (esp. Pence) out to dry and you don't do that. He should have leveled with them from the start and then he could have ridden out the storm with their support. Trump thrives on attacks from the outside but he will not tolerate disloyalty within his team.
  56. @JohnnyD
    @Charles Erwin Wilson,
    Like many Jews in politics, Stephen Miller is very intense and energetic. It's great watching him go after liberals, especially Jewish liberals.

    He doesn’t need to be confrontational.

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  57. @Clifford Brown

    The actor who played Noonan played a partner in the law firm in Michael Clayton, where Clooney played the ethnic Catholic local kid who made it to the white shoe law firm in NYC… sort of…
    which kind of would have been the career arc of Noonan…
     
    Good read on one of my favorite films since 2000 directed by Tony Gilroy. Clooney never quite fits in with the elite corporate law firm system. His Irish working class background and family are both the source of his downfall and how he eventually escapes the amoral corporate system. I also read something inherently Celtic in the three horses on the hill that inspire Clooney to leave his car and, thus, survive the car bombing. Symbolically, the horses represent his family and how he will eventually escape the predicament that he is in by reaching out to his imperfect family.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8BL6-a_lzM

    Tony Gilroy's films range from The Devil's Advocate, a cheesy, but highly entertaining, occult take on Manhattan law firm corruption, the Bourne movies, the underrated and darkly, beautiful LA centric Nightcrawler (as Producer working with his brother, Dan Gilroy) to Star Wars: Rogue One which he allegedly rescued from the ashes. I am quite the fan of his work. Still, Michael Clayton is my favorite.

    A DC insider friend said this is the essential movie for Catholics who think they can make it in DC. Catholics can’t (and stay Catholic). You’re always a fixer, never a partner, never an owner, never “in charge” despite demographics

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  58. @guest
    "If the war with Iran party is weakened by this, that's good"

    It will almost certainly be to the advantage of the War Party as a whole, which isn't focused on Iran but wants it all. Except Saudi Arabia and Israel.

    But Iran is one of their two primary targets in the Middle East (along with Syria), wouldn’t you say?

    And globally Russia probably tops the list. So regardless of how we may feel about Flynn’s hostility toward Iran and Syria, his removal helps to clear the path toward hostility against Russia.

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    Strike suggestion that Flynn was hostile to Syria.
    , @guest
    Yes, Russia is target #1, hopefully to eventually take over, but in the meantime to surround and suffocate. It is also the stupidest possible target, I think, stupider than China. In that sense even if Flynn was a madman on the subject of Iran, his obsession would be like smoking a couple of cigarettes a day compared to the full-blown meth addiction the Deep State has for Russia.
  59. @Jack Hanson
    Whoa another brave anon and his opinions.

    If Flynn would have been candid, he would have been fine. Flynn goofed. Lack of candor will always get you culled.

    Have you read the transcript?

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Flynn obviously thought he needed to resign. I'm not shocked by the pearl clutching going on from the same chorus around here that has been looking for a reason to proclaim how doomed we are since Trump pulled ahead in August 2015.

    Trump held onto people in the past over worst screw ups, so obviously something went down that must have jarred his confidence in Flynn. Personally I think the man was a little too hung up over Iran, and that was causing friction with the Russian detente.

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.

  60. @Rod1963
    Flynn showed extremely bad judgement and failed to follow ComSec. Look almost anyone with the security clearance among other things knows that communications with foreign embassies is monitored and recorded - that's how we nabbed low level traitors trying to sell state secrets to the commies during the 80's.

    Flynn should have known that and kept any conversation open and above board because both sides would be recording what he said. He was arrogant and paid for it.

    Oh yeah there's tap on every phone in the White House and those staffers with personal phones.
    You have to assume some spook at the NSA is recording everything they are saying and the transcripts were also released by the NSA - which is a crime.

    Chances are someone in the gang of 8 ordered this release. That's where the rot is.

    Trump had to dump him.

    Flynn should have known that and kept any conversation open and above board because both sides would be recording what he said. He was arrogant and paid for it.

    What was not above board about the conversation? Flynn presumably thought he was doing our country a good turn if Russia would decide to delay sanctions.

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  61. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    A DC insider friend said this is the essential movie for Catholics who think they can make it in DC. Catholics can't (and stay Catholic). You're always a fixer, never a partner, never an owner, never "in charge" despite demographics

    Roberts, Biden, Pelosi … losers!

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    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    He said 'and stay Catholic'.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    One of the other funny things about high ranking fixer Catholics in DC (Roberts, Biden, Pelosi, etc.) is hearing them complain about how mean the nuns were at parochial schools back in the day... I recall a conversation over drinks with Chris and Kathleen Matthews about this... as if turning illiterate peasants into Supreme Court justices and high level operatives in the span of one generation were easy...
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Interestingly it was a Buchanan nephew who said this. Pat has kept his religious integrity pretty well while doing great work in a very hostile environment.
  62. @Opinionator
    But Iran is one of their two primary targets in the Middle East (along with Syria), wouldn't you say?

    And globally Russia probably tops the list. So regardless of how we may feel about Flynn's hostility toward Iran and Syria, his removal helps to clear the path toward hostility against Russia.

    Strike suggestion that Flynn was hostile to Syria.

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  63. @whorefinder
    Steve, you missed the best part of the NY Times comparison: they make it based on racism against East Asians!

    "Now you’ve got some pretty good pictures — the prime minister of Japan, and the president.”

    That’s President Trump, crashing a wedding party at his Mar-a-Lago club on Saturday night, immediately after holding a news conference with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan
     

    When Rodney Dangerfield is introduced (and promptly steals) Caddyshack, he's introduced riding into the country club (Bushwood!) with his Asian, non-speaking friend...Mr Wang!:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=171FURqSIQc

    But Wang is a Chinese surname, not a a Japanese one: https://infogalactic.com/info/Wang_%28surname%29

    In other words, the NY Times is so racist that they were inspired to compare Trump to Rodney Dangerfield because they confused a Japanese man (Abe) with a Chinese one (Wang) walking into a country club with the loud, garish white guy. Massive Pokemon point deduction against those racists!

    Also, hilarious they don't get how Dangerfield was the good guy in Caddyshack. Talk about cultural disconnect. This is why Trump won.

    Right. Wang is pronounced Oh in Japanese, like the baseball player.

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  64. @Opinionator
    Have you read the transcript?

    Flynn obviously thought he needed to resign. I’m not shocked by the pearl clutching going on from the same chorus around here that has been looking for a reason to proclaim how doomed we are since Trump pulled ahead in August 2015.

    Trump held onto people in the past over worst screw ups, so obviously something went down that must have jarred his confidence in Flynn. Personally I think the man was a little too hung up over Iran, and that was causing friction with the Russian detente.

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.

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    • Replies: @utu

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.
     
    No, it is not going to happen. It is over. Trump gave up. I heard it in his voice during the press conference with Justin Trudeau. Trump will resign or resign himself to follow the Deep State.
    , @anon

    I think the man was a little too hung up over Iran, and that was causing friction with the Russian detente.
     
    LOL, who do you think he's going to be replaced with Ben Rhodes?
    He's going to be replaced with some neocon dipshit who's hawkish on Iran *and* Russia.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    The problem is his security fetish. The things that Bush did to make the services more effective also make them more powerful and less easy to re-staff. The solution isn't just firing people, it's dismantling institutions, but Trump's not going to do that.
    , @anon

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.
     
    It's certainly needed.

    In theory it should be easy to do by going after the people responsible for arming Isis - that should unravel the whole network - but maybe not so easy in practice.

  65. @guest
    "Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign"

    Trump front-paid him for that by putting Pence on the ticket. I don't think Pence went beyond the call of duty for a VP candidate, except insofar as Trump was an outsider who needed steering. Also insofar as Trump was an unusual candidate, hated by all insiders including his own party, and given ridiculously low chances of winning. But Pence knew that going in.

    Not true. Pences’ manly destruction of the nincompoop Kaine was a turning point and a major morale boost for the campaign. And it completely settled the ‘heart attack’ issue overnight.

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    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    In saying that, I'm not buying into the idea that Pence wanted Flynn gone, I'm just saying that Trump's loyalty to Pence is not surprising. I have no idea whether Flynn is a martyr or a traitor. I would say that, given reports that Trump was torn, Bannon must have wanted him gone.
    , @guest
    That's what VP candidates are supposed to do. Besides sticking by the main candidate, which is the bare minimum, they're supposed to be better than the other VP candidate and they're supposed to be able to be president in the event of the main candidate's death.

    That being said, there's nothing wrong with Trump being grateful, enforcing chain of command, sticking by Pence over Flynn even though Flynn's putative scandal wasn't a big deal, etc. But to categorize it as Trump owing Pence for Pence simply being what a VP is supposed to be? I don't get it.

    Say Trump likes Pence, and they're buddies now. Fine. But it's not as if Trump owes Pence because Pence stuck by Trump. What kind of thinking is that? Politics is not like that.
  66. Get on board with “Russia Is Evil” and “Iran and North Korea must be stopped”, and “we have to bomb those Chinese Islands”. Get on board with all of it, or get gone.

    Pretty simple stuff, this. The next bullshit but profitable war is always right around the corner. Our system doesn’t invade for the spoils of those we invade, but rather to enjoy the spoils of weapons sales profits from the wars they start. There’s plenty of dough in those circles to go around but it WILL go around and lots of it. It’s all extracted from us right here at home. Wars don’t even have to make any sense, they are their own reward to those who direct EVERYTHING.

    Starting wars wouldn’t be such a wonderful thing, nor as frequent, without profit. And they don’t even have to ask permission anymore.

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  67. @G Pinfold
    Not true. Pences' manly destruction of the nincompoop Kaine was a turning point and a major morale boost for the campaign. And it completely settled the 'heart attack' issue overnight.

    In saying that, I’m not buying into the idea that Pence wanted Flynn gone, I’m just saying that Trump’s loyalty to Pence is not surprising. I have no idea whether Flynn is a martyr or a traitor. I would say that, given reports that Trump was torn, Bannon must have wanted him gone.

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    Bannon must have wanted him gone.
     
    Breitbart was running pro-Flynn articles up to the moment of resignation. The word is that Kushner was the one who wanted him gone.
  68. @whorefinder
    I liked the fact that the main plot was moved by boring actors playing it low-key and rather straight; it allowed Dangerfield, Murray, Chase, and Knight to ham it up without it being too overbearing.

    And the Danny Noonan gets to bang Lacey Underall, who made many of us a man back in the day:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIESeY6qq1w


    Quick trivia: Danny's Irish girlfriend, Maggie, was played by Sarah Holcomb. Holcomb is the only actor to appear in both Caddyshack and Animal House ---she plays the 13-year-old jailbait whom the one of the characters has sex with on the football field.

    She never appeared in another movie again.

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  69. @Guy de Champlagne
    This week, you’re denouncing Trump by comparing him to the hero of the movie.

    The hero was Danny Noonan, whose name I had to look up because the star of that film was so unmemorable and boring. Caddyshack is one of those movies people have to restructure in their heads to remember it as good.

    You aren’t being fair. Both Danny’s first and last name were used as comedic dialogue by other characters, so that should be an easy name to remember. Czervik, on the other hand…

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  70. Keeping true to my vow, I won’t click on a NYT or WaPo sourced article, but I will YAWN, and say so what , who cares.

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  71. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Seeing Stephen Miller this weekend on the Sunday Morning demonstrated why Jews should not be discounted as allies. Miller shows like a hard-core conservative edge, and unwilling to concede the battlefield at the first sign of tut-tutting by the "good and the great".

    The Left's "anyone has a right to emigrate to America" is a Godsend. The stupidity of it won't be lost on even the least of our polity. And the Attorneys General championing this idiocy will rue their participation, with great ruing.

    Lol wrong!!!

    Miller is a lying snake. He lied about having worked with Richard Spencer at Duke. He can’t be trusted as far as we can throw him.

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  72. @Opinionator
    I'd like to see the transcript before making such a strong judgment.

    But consider a different perspective: Wasn't it the leakers who made Pence look like a fool? Otherwise, what was the harm here? The United States avoided having sanctions imposed on it. I was glad of that when it happened.

    I have yet to see an explanation given by the media for how Flynn was "compromise" and vulnerable to blackmail as a result of this. (The guess explanation I make is not very convincing.)

    The “compromised” thing was pure BS by Obama holdovers. Flynn’s crime was lying to the people on his team – they would have had his back if he had had theirs, but he left them (esp. Pence) out to dry and you don’t do that. He should have leveled with them from the start and then he could have ridden out the storm with their support. Trump thrives on attacks from the outside but he will not tolerate disloyalty within his team.

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  73. @Jack Hanson
    Whoa another brave anon and his opinions.

    If Flynn would have been candid, he would have been fine. Flynn goofed. Lack of candor will always get you culled.

    Does Trump pay you to be his shameless sycophant, do you do it for free, or do you pay him for the honor?

    “Omg someone criticized Dear Leader! I had better insult them real quick before more people start thinking for themselves!”

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  74. @Guy de Champlagne
    This week, you’re denouncing Trump by comparing him to the hero of the movie.

    The hero was Danny Noonan, whose name I had to look up because the star of that film was so unmemorable and boring. Caddyshack is one of those movies people have to restructure in their heads to remember it as good.

    No. It was an amazing movie. You are boring.

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  75. A WASP Al Czervik. I like this a lot. The parallels are really there. Al’s a condo developer just like Trump. He tells his money manager if everyone’s buying sell sell sell. And if everyone’s selling buy buy buy. Just as Trump smartly did during the 2008 meltdown. And when Al rips a huge fart at the country club gala, this could only be a perfect metaphor for Trump in South Carolina, telling the GOPe and neocons that Bush was a disastrous president who didn’t keep us safe.

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  76. @Jack Hanson
    Flynn obviously thought he needed to resign. I'm not shocked by the pearl clutching going on from the same chorus around here that has been looking for a reason to proclaim how doomed we are since Trump pulled ahead in August 2015.

    Trump held onto people in the past over worst screw ups, so obviously something went down that must have jarred his confidence in Flynn. Personally I think the man was a little too hung up over Iran, and that was causing friction with the Russian detente.

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.

    No, it is not going to happen. It is over. Trump gave up. I heard it in his voice during the press conference with Justin Trudeau. Trump will resign or resign himself to follow the Deep State.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    I wanna say this is satire, but Poe's Law and all.
    , @peterike

    Trump gave up. I heard it in his voice during the press conference with Justin Trudeau.
     
    Did you look into his eyes and see his soul, too?
    , @grapesoda
    Why not just wait and see how it plays out? I don't see the need to forecast doom here. It's not a very scientific way of thinking.

    I see this kind of tendency on the website of a sports team I follow. I hope these people don't react this way to setbacks in their own lives. I just think like, "Oh that sucks. I'll have to got through it now." Not like, "Everything is ruined! It's all so horrible!!" IDK OK I'll stop rambling now :)
  77. @G Pinfold
    In saying that, I'm not buying into the idea that Pence wanted Flynn gone, I'm just saying that Trump's loyalty to Pence is not surprising. I have no idea whether Flynn is a martyr or a traitor. I would say that, given reports that Trump was torn, Bannon must have wanted him gone.

    Bannon must have wanted him gone.

    Breitbart was running pro-Flynn articles up to the moment of resignation. The word is that Kushner was the one who wanted him gone.

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  78. @whorefinder
    I liked the fact that the main plot was moved by boring actors playing it low-key and rather straight; it allowed Dangerfield, Murray, Chase, and Knight to ham it up without it being too overbearing.

    And the Danny Noonan gets to bang Lacey Underall, who made many of us a man back in the day:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIESeY6qq1w


    Quick trivia: Danny's Irish girlfriend, Maggie, was played by Sarah Holcomb. Holcomb is the only actor to appear in both Caddyshack and Animal House ---she plays the 13-year-old jailbait whom the one of the characters has sex with on the football field.

    “Holcomb is the only actor to appear in both Caddyshack and Animal House”

    Doug Kenney’s in both, of course. Stork and one of Al’s ‘sycophants’ doing coke on the dining table.

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  79. FYI, Czervik is a play on the Russian word “little worm,” which carries the same negative connotations as in English.

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  80. @whorefinder
    For months, we on the pro-Trump side have been half-joking/half-serious in comparing Trump to Dangerfield in Caddyshack, in a very positive way. For the NY Times to pick it up and try to make it seem negative is totally missing the boat, and re-invigorating the meme.

    I'm guessing either the NY Times staffers discovered the meme but didn't note how it was being used and thought they could "own" it, or else there is a secret troll/mole at the paper who mentioned it to the editors and got them to publish it in all dour seriousness while the troll/mole was laughing his head off.

    Now whenever someone Googles the meme "Trump Caddyshack" they're getting a NY Times editorial in all it's seriousness that sounds straight out of a Judge Smails press release from Bushwood.

    And this, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhRCD6MQ0Ps

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  81. Wall Street Journal sez in unsigned editorial that Trump should give Priebus more authority, attacks Bannon, Miller, Kushner, Kellyanne Conway and Gary Cohn. Confirms my belief that Priebus is extremely bad news. #FirePriebus

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-disruption-1487031837

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    WSJ is open borders, so consider the implications. (WSJ was basically neverTrump.)
  82. @utu

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.
     
    No, it is not going to happen. It is over. Trump gave up. I heard it in his voice during the press conference with Justin Trudeau. Trump will resign or resign himself to follow the Deep State.

    I wanna say this is satire, but Poe’s Law and all.

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  83. @Anon
    There's a simple fix. Start firing people and keep firing your way down the chain until the leaks stop.

    No. Float multiple versions of the same story to selected targets. See what is published in the paper.

    I doubt we ever see the transcript. Classified SCI.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    That would be difficult. In this case, I think some of the leakers in various departments are coordinating together. They're all 'old Obama hands.' They don't think Trump is a legitimate president, and they're trying to destroy him, period. Trump HAS to fire them. This is a turf war for the presidency of a type that's unprecedented in American politics. Normally all the issues about who's in charge are settled once and for all after the election. This is the first time the government bureaucracy has chosen to fight en masse against an incoming president. It's also the first time the media has ever done this, too.

    Younger readers may not realize it, but this never happens in American politics. No other president has ever had to face opposition like this from the bureaucratic body he is supposed to govern, which tells you how much Obama has corrupted the government and made them his fanatical personal partisans. There is no precedent for this behavior in our history, and it must be dealt with by large-scale firings. Trump has to get rid of all these people and do it fast.
  84. There’s a simple fix. Start firing people and keep firing your way down the chain until the leaks stop.

    It’s not all that hard to find leaks, you just feed “marked” information to particular people, and see where it goes. But if the leaks are everywhere then yes, cleaning house can be the best way forward. Of course, you’ll pick up all new leaks…

    FYI, Czervik is a play on the Russian word “little worm,” which carries the same negative connotations as in English.

    Czervik is a play on the English word, “cervix.”

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  85. @Anon
    Trump is more like Dangerfield in BACK TO SCHOOL.

    Trump will be unable to hire Kurt Vougenot to write his English papers.

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  86. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Busby
    No. Float multiple versions of the same story to selected targets. See what is published in the paper.

    I doubt we ever see the transcript. Classified SCI.

    That would be difficult. In this case, I think some of the leakers in various departments are coordinating together. They’re all ‘old Obama hands.’ They don’t think Trump is a legitimate president, and they’re trying to destroy him, period. Trump HAS to fire them. This is a turf war for the presidency of a type that’s unprecedented in American politics. Normally all the issues about who’s in charge are settled once and for all after the election. This is the first time the government bureaucracy has chosen to fight en masse against an incoming president. It’s also the first time the media has ever done this, too.

    Younger readers may not realize it, but this never happens in American politics. No other president has ever had to face opposition like this from the bureaucratic body he is supposed to govern, which tells you how much Obama has corrupted the government and made them his fanatical personal partisans. There is no precedent for this behavior in our history, and it must be dealt with by large-scale firings. Trump has to get rid of all these people and do it fast.

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    "This is the first time..."

    Nixon. Remind me, who was Deep Throat? It wasn't a lifer FBI bureaucrat, was it? And the media had a little bit to do with hounding him out of office, didn't it?

    This is a little different, because Nixon was a career politician. Not an insider's-insider but inside enough, and surrounded by insiders despite his somewhat outside appeal to the public. He was also considered evil by the press and the permanent government, but not illegitimate and a threat to civilization itself.

    However, one of the big reasons they went after him was his "plot that failed," his grand plan to set up a sort of super-cabinet above the cabinet to reign in the uncontrolled federal bureaucracy. People forget about that. That's not something they let you get away with. The president doesn't run the executive branch, Dick, you poor, silly man.

    , @Opinionator
    And replace them with whom?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    How many of these people are fireable, and how many are protected by civil service rules?
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    @Anonymous

    He made Pence look like a fool by lying to him repeatedly. Trump would have forgiven him for the rest but you don’t make someone above you in the hierarchy look like a fool. Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign and I’m sure Pence was the one who wanted Flynn out.
     
    Bullshit.

    Pence is a mediocre intellect neocon who wants war with Russia. He said so in the debates. He was a mediocre radio talk show before going into politics.

    Of course it was all bullshit and Flynn never made reference to sanctions just improved relations. Russian Strategic Rocket Forces had gone to DEFCON-2 and were moving toward DEFCON-1. Flynn knew this and needed to deescalate as NSA designee.

    With a Flynn's resignation Deep State won. Trump and the outsiders lost. Big time. Deep State HAD to take out Flynn because he was inside the belly of the Deep State as head of DIA and knew their m.o. They fabricated and lied and pushed the narrative and won. Major loss for realists. So, first we have the federal judiciary controlling our immigration policy and now we have Deep State controlling foreign policy and making the world safe for Davos.

    And I can't believe Trump caved. It will only get ten times worse for him now.

    Chickenshit is really an excellent way to describe this.
    Banon, Decius and Miller will be next.

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    @Jack Hanson
    Flynn obviously thought he needed to resign. I'm not shocked by the pearl clutching going on from the same chorus around here that has been looking for a reason to proclaim how doomed we are since Trump pulled ahead in August 2015.

    Trump held onto people in the past over worst screw ups, so obviously something went down that must have jarred his confidence in Flynn. Personally I think the man was a little too hung up over Iran, and that was causing friction with the Russian detente.

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.

    I think the man was a little too hung up over Iran, and that was causing friction with the Russian detente.

    LOL, who do you think he’s going to be replaced with Ben Rhodes?
    He’s going to be replaced with some neocon dipshit who’s hawkish on Iran *and* Russia.

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    Which is why Abrams is Deputy SecState.

    Oh wait no. Take off your zipper mask.
  89. What’s really funny is that I would have voted for Al Czervik over Hillary Clinton too.

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    I told people that I would have voted for the first random person I found on the street in downtown Chicago over HRC.
    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    I would have voted for Spaulding over Hillary.
  90. @Jack Hanson
    Flynn obviously thought he needed to resign. I'm not shocked by the pearl clutching going on from the same chorus around here that has been looking for a reason to proclaim how doomed we are since Trump pulled ahead in August 2015.

    Trump held onto people in the past over worst screw ups, so obviously something went down that must have jarred his confidence in Flynn. Personally I think the man was a little too hung up over Iran, and that was causing friction with the Russian detente.

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.

    The problem is his security fetish. The things that Bush did to make the services more effective also make them more powerful and less easy to re-staff. The solution isn’t just firing people, it’s dismantling institutions, but Trump’s not going to do that.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    You were also saying Trump wasn't going to win the primary or general.

    We will see what he does.
  91. @Opinionator
    But Iran is one of their two primary targets in the Middle East (along with Syria), wouldn't you say?

    And globally Russia probably tops the list. So regardless of how we may feel about Flynn's hostility toward Iran and Syria, his removal helps to clear the path toward hostility against Russia.

    Yes, Russia is target #1, hopefully to eventually take over, but in the meantime to surround and suffocate. It is also the stupidest possible target, I think, stupider than China. In that sense even if Flynn was a madman on the subject of Iran, his obsession would be like smoking a couple of cigarettes a day compared to the full-blown meth addiction the Deep State has for Russia.

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    And we're off to the races already:

    "President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at a daily news briefing. "At the same time, he fully expects to and wants to get along with Russia."
     


    WASHINGTON — Russia has secretly deployed a new cruise missile that American officials say violates a landmark arms control treaty, posing a major test for President Trump as his administration is facing a crisis over its ties to Moscow.
     
  92. @G Pinfold
    Not true. Pences' manly destruction of the nincompoop Kaine was a turning point and a major morale boost for the campaign. And it completely settled the 'heart attack' issue overnight.

    That’s what VP candidates are supposed to do. Besides sticking by the main candidate, which is the bare minimum, they’re supposed to be better than the other VP candidate and they’re supposed to be able to be president in the event of the main candidate’s death.

    That being said, there’s nothing wrong with Trump being grateful, enforcing chain of command, sticking by Pence over Flynn even though Flynn’s putative scandal wasn’t a big deal, etc. But to categorize it as Trump owing Pence for Pence simply being what a VP is supposed to be? I don’t get it.

    Say Trump likes Pence, and they’re buddies now. Fine. But it’s not as if Trump owes Pence because Pence stuck by Trump. What kind of thinking is that? Politics is not like that.

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    Because for all the backpatting that goes on about how woke some people here think they are, the reality is that a majority of commenters are a level above Huff Post and not the Secret Masters they believe themselves to be.
    , @Anon
    It's true that politics is different, but Trump is not a professional politician. He may have a very different notion of loyalty than professional pols do.
  93. @Anonymous

    He made Pence look like a fool by lying to him repeatedly. Trump would have forgiven him for the rest but you don’t make someone above you in the hierarchy look like a fool. Trump owes one to Pence who really stuck with him during the campaign and I’m sure Pence was the one who wanted Flynn out.
     
    Bullshit.

    Pence is a mediocre intellect neocon who wants war with Russia. He said so in the debates. He was a mediocre radio talk show before going into politics.

    Of course it was all bullshit and Flynn never made reference to sanctions just improved relations. Russian Strategic Rocket Forces had gone to DEFCON-2 and were moving toward DEFCON-1. Flynn knew this and needed to deescalate as NSA designee.

    With a Flynn's resignation Deep State won. Trump and the outsiders lost. Big time. Deep State HAD to take out Flynn because he was inside the belly of the Deep State as head of DIA and knew their m.o. They fabricated and lied and pushed the narrative and won. Major loss for realists. So, first we have the federal judiciary controlling our immigration policy and now we have Deep State controlling foreign policy and making the world safe for Davos.

    And I can't believe Trump caved. It will only get ten times worse for him now.

    Trump tests loyalty.

    This guy failed.

    You’re anon, and anon agrees. Surprise.

    Your prose style and syntax strikes me as a bit of Edelman mixed with a touch of Ogilvy and a dollop of Ketchum. But surely that’s just me projecting. Surely you’re more to the tune of SKDK Knickerbocker.

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  94. @Anon
    That would be difficult. In this case, I think some of the leakers in various departments are coordinating together. They're all 'old Obama hands.' They don't think Trump is a legitimate president, and they're trying to destroy him, period. Trump HAS to fire them. This is a turf war for the presidency of a type that's unprecedented in American politics. Normally all the issues about who's in charge are settled once and for all after the election. This is the first time the government bureaucracy has chosen to fight en masse against an incoming president. It's also the first time the media has ever done this, too.

    Younger readers may not realize it, but this never happens in American politics. No other president has ever had to face opposition like this from the bureaucratic body he is supposed to govern, which tells you how much Obama has corrupted the government and made them his fanatical personal partisans. There is no precedent for this behavior in our history, and it must be dealt with by large-scale firings. Trump has to get rid of all these people and do it fast.

    “This is the first time…”

    Nixon. Remind me, who was Deep Throat? It wasn’t a lifer FBI bureaucrat, was it? And the media had a little bit to do with hounding him out of office, didn’t it?

    This is a little different, because Nixon was a career politician. Not an insider’s-insider but inside enough, and surrounded by insiders despite his somewhat outside appeal to the public. He was also considered evil by the press and the permanent government, but not illegitimate and a threat to civilization itself.

    However, one of the big reasons they went after him was his “plot that failed,” his grand plan to set up a sort of super-cabinet above the cabinet to reign in the uncontrolled federal bureaucracy. People forget about that. That’s not something they let you get away with. The president doesn’t run the executive branch, Dick, you poor, silly man.

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  95. @utu

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.
     
    No, it is not going to happen. It is over. Trump gave up. I heard it in his voice during the press conference with Justin Trudeau. Trump will resign or resign himself to follow the Deep State.

    Trump gave up. I heard it in his voice during the press conference with Justin Trudeau.

    Did you look into his eyes and see his soul, too?

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  96. @Rebunga
    What's really funny is that I would have voted for Al Czervik over Hillary Clinton too.

    I told people that I would have voted for the first random person I found on the street in downtown Chicago over HRC.

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  97. @Anon
    That would be difficult. In this case, I think some of the leakers in various departments are coordinating together. They're all 'old Obama hands.' They don't think Trump is a legitimate president, and they're trying to destroy him, period. Trump HAS to fire them. This is a turf war for the presidency of a type that's unprecedented in American politics. Normally all the issues about who's in charge are settled once and for all after the election. This is the first time the government bureaucracy has chosen to fight en masse against an incoming president. It's also the first time the media has ever done this, too.

    Younger readers may not realize it, but this never happens in American politics. No other president has ever had to face opposition like this from the bureaucratic body he is supposed to govern, which tells you how much Obama has corrupted the government and made them his fanatical personal partisans. There is no precedent for this behavior in our history, and it must be dealt with by large-scale firings. Trump has to get rid of all these people and do it fast.

    And replace them with whom?

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    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    Nobody, if replacements can't be found. It's a nest of vipers, why tolerate them a minute longer? Why not ask some intelligent (I said intelligent, not liberal) high-schoolers to volunteer? Couldn't be worse, and may indeed prove a whole lot better.
  98. @anon

    I think the man was a little too hung up over Iran, and that was causing friction with the Russian detente.
     
    LOL, who do you think he's going to be replaced with Ben Rhodes?
    He's going to be replaced with some neocon dipshit who's hawkish on Iran *and* Russia.

    Which is why Abrams is Deputy SecState.

    Oh wait no. Take off your zipper mask.

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  99. @Chrisnonymous
    The problem is his security fetish. The things that Bush did to make the services more effective also make them more powerful and less easy to re-staff. The solution isn't just firing people, it's dismantling institutions, but Trump's not going to do that.

    You were also saying Trump wasn’t going to win the primary or general.

    We will see what he does.

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  100. @guest
    That's what VP candidates are supposed to do. Besides sticking by the main candidate, which is the bare minimum, they're supposed to be better than the other VP candidate and they're supposed to be able to be president in the event of the main candidate's death.

    That being said, there's nothing wrong with Trump being grateful, enforcing chain of command, sticking by Pence over Flynn even though Flynn's putative scandal wasn't a big deal, etc. But to categorize it as Trump owing Pence for Pence simply being what a VP is supposed to be? I don't get it.

    Say Trump likes Pence, and they're buddies now. Fine. But it's not as if Trump owes Pence because Pence stuck by Trump. What kind of thinking is that? Politics is not like that.

    Because for all the backpatting that goes on about how woke some people here think they are, the reality is that a majority of commenters are a level above Huff Post and not the Secret Masters they believe themselves to be.

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    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Berty
    The fact that the likes of Mark Minter posts here, the elderly sperg loved by redpill losers all over the net, is proof enough of the poor quality of the comments here. Mostly it's either guys who have problems with women or money and blame it all on Jews or blacks, or it's elderly folks slipping into senility who post here because Netflix is too scary and confusing.
  101. The reality is that if Flynn was competent at CI, he would have not let himself be recorded surreptiously.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    You assume he had something to hide.
    , @Jack D
    The only way he could have prevented this was by not talking on the phone. He could have had an in person meeting with the Russian ambassador at some secure location (and hoped that the ambassador was not wired himself) or else he could have just kept his mouth shut until after the inauguration and limited his conversation to wishing the ambassador Merry Christmas as he told Pence he did. If he was talking on the phone he should have assumed that he was being taped, that whatever he said would leak one way or another and that therefore whatever he said should be suitable for publication on the front page of the NYT (or too platitudinous to warrant publication). He was not yet in office and had no business even telegraphing that US policy would change after Trump took office. He had no authority to say anything on behalf of the US beyond "Merry Christmas and a I look forward to working with you after the Inauguration when I will have authority to speak on behalf of the US government. If he had said that he would still have a job.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    The reality is that if Flynn was competent at CI, he would have not let himself be recorded surreptiously.
     
    Don't be naïve. With the technology and the security laws they have now, they can eavesdrop on anyone they want any old time they feel like it. The Deep State won't even let a president stand in their way. What makes you think they're going to let some NSA director do so? Dennis Kucinich nails it in this Fox News interview: http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/02/14/kucinich-pins-flynn-leak-on-intel-community-warns-another-cold-war.html
  102. President Trump is indeed a wrecking ball voted into office for the specific purpose of destroying the current WASP/Jew ruling class. There are patriotic WASPs and patriotic Jews, but they are not present for the most part in the Deep State of the American Empire.

    The WASP/Jew ruling class that runs the American Empire is treasonous and evil. I use WASP to specifically identify those of English origins who are mostly Germanic in genetic ancestry. George Washington and Andrew Jackson were not WASPs.

    The Ivy League universities are infested by Jews and WASPs who constantly scheme against their own nation. These WASP/Jews push open borders mass immigration and open borders free trade. These WASP/Jew treasonites use the militaristic inclinations of the European Christian ancestral core of the USA to fight unnecessary overseas wars that only serve the interests of Israel and the military-industrial complex.

    President Trump is friendly with people who are friendly to him. They may be WASPs or Jews or Germans or Irish or Scandinavian or Italians or a mongrel mix of ancestries. President Trump knows damn well that the WASP/Jew ruling class that is destroying the United States is trying to undermine him. President Trump will defeat the WASP/Jew Deep State traitors who are trying to obliterate the sovereignty of the United States.

    God Bless President Trump And To Hell With The WASP/Jew Deep State Traitors

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  103. This is rule by Al Czervik, Rodney Dangerfield’s character in “Caddyshack”: a reckless, clownish boor surrounded by sycophants, determined to blow up all convention.

    This is another nuance the NYT misses: the people around Al Czervik aren’t sycophants. He’s a lot of fun and they like being around him. In contrast Judge Smails aims to collect sycophants but is too much of a twerp to bring it off.

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    • Replies: @guest
    I don't know enough about the inner workings of the Czervik Entourage to say why they're all there. Al could be supplying his friends with coke in exchange for their company, I don't know. (Not Wang, who seems well off, but Wang is there for business purposes.) But it's inarguable that while they are with him their enthusiasm is genuine.

    Sycophants are by definition obsequious in exchange for favors. But if you happen to benefit from the company of Al Czervik and in the meantime actually enjoy yourself, you're not being obsequious. You're taking advantage of a good time, is all.
  104. @Boomstick

    This is rule by Al Czervik, Rodney Dangerfield’s character in “Caddyshack”: a reckless, clownish boor surrounded by sycophants, determined to blow up all convention.
     
    This is another nuance the NYT misses: the people around Al Czervik aren't sycophants. He's a lot of fun and they like being around him. In contrast Judge Smails aims to collect sycophants but is too much of a twerp to bring it off.

    I don’t know enough about the inner workings of the Czervik Entourage to say why they’re all there. Al could be supplying his friends with coke in exchange for their company, I don’t know. (Not Wang, who seems well off, but Wang is there for business purposes.) But it’s inarguable that while they are with him their enthusiasm is genuine.

    Sycophants are by definition obsequious in exchange for favors. But if you happen to benefit from the company of Al Czervik and in the meantime actually enjoy yourself, you’re not being obsequious. You’re taking advantage of a good time, is all.

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  105. @Jack Hanson
    Because for all the backpatting that goes on about how woke some people here think they are, the reality is that a majority of commenters are a level above Huff Post and not the Secret Masters they believe themselves to be.

    The fact that the likes of Mark Minter posts here, the elderly sperg loved by redpill losers all over the net, is proof enough of the poor quality of the comments here. Mostly it’s either guys who have problems with women or money and blame it all on Jews or blacks, or it’s elderly folks slipping into senility who post here because Netflix is too scary and confusing.

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    • Replies: @grapesoda
    Yeah you sound like a real happy guy man. How do I get to be more like you?
  106. Traitor Mitch McConnell says he’ll create a witch-hunt committee to investigate Flynn + “links” to Trump. Watergate, Iran-Contra, Ken Starr, Benghazi all happened while Congress was controlled by the opposition party. This is a truly outrageous act of treachery.

    It’s clear that there’s a soft coup in motion to impeach Trump and install Pence. Should not have given them the opening they needed. Like I said it was a huge mistake to allow a nothing controversy to be elevated like this.

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    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig

    Traitor Mitch McConnell says he’ll create a witch-hunt committee to investigate Flynn + “links” to Trump. Watergate, Iran-Contra, Ken Starr, Benghazi all happened while Congress was controlled by the opposition party. This is a truly outrageous act of treachery.
     
    What else would you expect from Mitch McConnell?
  107. @Anon
    That would be difficult. In this case, I think some of the leakers in various departments are coordinating together. They're all 'old Obama hands.' They don't think Trump is a legitimate president, and they're trying to destroy him, period. Trump HAS to fire them. This is a turf war for the presidency of a type that's unprecedented in American politics. Normally all the issues about who's in charge are settled once and for all after the election. This is the first time the government bureaucracy has chosen to fight en masse against an incoming president. It's also the first time the media has ever done this, too.

    Younger readers may not realize it, but this never happens in American politics. No other president has ever had to face opposition like this from the bureaucratic body he is supposed to govern, which tells you how much Obama has corrupted the government and made them his fanatical personal partisans. There is no precedent for this behavior in our history, and it must be dealt with by large-scale firings. Trump has to get rid of all these people and do it fast.

    How many of these people are fireable, and how many are protected by civil service rules?

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    The leaks are illegal (many of them could even be prosecuted as treason), but of course the rub is you have to prove they're the leakers to fire them, if they're protected by civil service laws.
    , @reiner Tor
    In Hungary the governments usually reorganize to circumvent these rules, and send the protected people to the reorganized diminished agencies, while give the new jobs for the party people in the newly created all-powerful agencies. But it requires legislative power, which Trump might lack.
  108. This is without a doubt the biggest change in the zeitgeist since the days of my youth. We lustily cheered Belushi’s Blutarsky, Rodney’s Al Czervik, Bill Murray’s camp counselor and the like. The slobs were the heroes, the snobs the villains. We’re now being ruled by 100,000 Glen Marmalards.

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    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig

    This is without a doubt the biggest change in the zeitgeist since the days of my youth. We lustily cheered Belushi’s Blutarsky, Rodney’s Al Czervik, Bill Murray’s camp counselor and the like. The slobs were the heroes, the snobs the villains. We’re now being ruled by 100,000 Glen Marmalards.
     
    Yeah. Back then, populism was still considered a good thing; it's now basically a four-letter word. Remember Arthur Schlesinger Jr's book The Age of Jackson? Andrew Jackson was the good-guy. Now he's fighting for his life of the twenty-dollar bill.
  109. @Dave Pinsen
    How many of these people are fireable, and how many are protected by civil service rules?

    The leaks are illegal (many of them could even be prosecuted as treason), but of course the rub is you have to prove they’re the leakers to fire them, if they’re protected by civil service laws.

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  110. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @guest
    That's what VP candidates are supposed to do. Besides sticking by the main candidate, which is the bare minimum, they're supposed to be better than the other VP candidate and they're supposed to be able to be president in the event of the main candidate's death.

    That being said, there's nothing wrong with Trump being grateful, enforcing chain of command, sticking by Pence over Flynn even though Flynn's putative scandal wasn't a big deal, etc. But to categorize it as Trump owing Pence for Pence simply being what a VP is supposed to be? I don't get it.

    Say Trump likes Pence, and they're buddies now. Fine. But it's not as if Trump owes Pence because Pence stuck by Trump. What kind of thinking is that? Politics is not like that.

    It’s true that politics is different, but Trump is not a professional politician. He may have a very different notion of loyalty than professional pols do.

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  111. @Jack Hanson
    The reality is that if Flynn was competent at CI, he would have not let himself be recorded surreptiously.

    You assume he had something to hide.

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    I'm not. He got fired for lying to Pence.

    So either he is out of the loop in his own trade or he's too dishonest to keep around. Neither prospect is flattering.
  112. @Jack Hanson
    The reality is that if Flynn was competent at CI, he would have not let himself be recorded surreptiously.

    The only way he could have prevented this was by not talking on the phone. He could have had an in person meeting with the Russian ambassador at some secure location (and hoped that the ambassador was not wired himself) or else he could have just kept his mouth shut until after the inauguration and limited his conversation to wishing the ambassador Merry Christmas as he told Pence he did. If he was talking on the phone he should have assumed that he was being taped, that whatever he said would leak one way or another and that therefore whatever he said should be suitable for publication on the front page of the NYT (or too platitudinous to warrant publication). He was not yet in office and had no business even telegraphing that US policy would change after Trump took office. He had no authority to say anything on behalf of the US beyond “Merry Christmas and a I look forward to working with you after the Inauguration when I will have authority to speak on behalf of the US government. If he had said that he would still have a job.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    He was not yet in office and had no business even telegraphing that US policy would change after Trump took office.

    What is wrong with telegraphing the leanings of the Trump team? Russia can take it with a grain of salt: Flynn is just one member of the transition; he is not in office yet; Trump not yet pres; thinking and circumstances could change. Up to them.

    , @Jack Hanson
    Which is my point. He should have assumed he was being recorded and cunning enough to know his words might bite him in the ass.

    He didn't. He wasn't. So instead Trump picks a Navy SEAL as NSC that is giving off a "cleaner" vibe.

    I'm curious if this will be Trump's new standard: Foil my first choice, okay. Here's my second, twice as bad (to progs). We will see with his Labor Sec pick.
  113. @Steve Sailer
    "On a different note, how could the NY Times publish this and not know they would be laughed at and memed into oblivion on the issue?"

    Will they?

    Stuff I find funny usually doesn't go viral.

    Stuff I find funny usually doesn’t go viral.

    Considering it’s from the NYT–given the NYT’s declining influence–might explain it.

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  114. @Jack D
    The only way he could have prevented this was by not talking on the phone. He could have had an in person meeting with the Russian ambassador at some secure location (and hoped that the ambassador was not wired himself) or else he could have just kept his mouth shut until after the inauguration and limited his conversation to wishing the ambassador Merry Christmas as he told Pence he did. If he was talking on the phone he should have assumed that he was being taped, that whatever he said would leak one way or another and that therefore whatever he said should be suitable for publication on the front page of the NYT (or too platitudinous to warrant publication). He was not yet in office and had no business even telegraphing that US policy would change after Trump took office. He had no authority to say anything on behalf of the US beyond "Merry Christmas and a I look forward to working with you after the Inauguration when I will have authority to speak on behalf of the US government. If he had said that he would still have a job.

    He was not yet in office and had no business even telegraphing that US policy would change after Trump took office.

    What is wrong with telegraphing the leanings of the Trump team? Russia can take it with a grain of salt: Flynn is just one member of the transition; he is not in office yet; Trump not yet pres; thinking and circumstances could change. Up to them.

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  115. @whorefinder
    For months, we on the pro-Trump side have been half-joking/half-serious in comparing Trump to Dangerfield in Caddyshack, in a very positive way. For the NY Times to pick it up and try to make it seem negative is totally missing the boat, and re-invigorating the meme.

    I'm guessing either the NY Times staffers discovered the meme but didn't note how it was being used and thought they could "own" it, or else there is a secret troll/mole at the paper who mentioned it to the editors and got them to publish it in all dour seriousness while the troll/mole was laughing his head off.

    Now whenever someone Googles the meme "Trump Caddyshack" they're getting a NY Times editorial in all it's seriousness that sounds straight out of a Judge Smails press release from Bushwood.

    And this, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhRCD6MQ0Ps

    I have it on good authority there aren’t any troll/moles at the NYT planting memes so as to laugh their head off. Conversely, the first explanation–discovered the meme but didn’t understand it, thought they could own it–makes complete sense. The NYT is certain it owns the news, sets the agenda, writes The Narrative–everyone else are mere amateurs.

    It’s three months after the election, and they think “The Caddyshack President” is both clever and devastating–when it’s neither.

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  116. @snorlax
    Wall Street Journal sez in unsigned editorial that Trump should give Priebus more authority, attacks Bannon, Miller, Kushner, Kellyanne Conway and Gary Cohn. Confirms my belief that Priebus is extremely bad news. #FirePriebus

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-disruption-1487031837

    WSJ is open borders, so consider the implications. (WSJ was basically neverTrump.)

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  117. @snorlax
    Traitor Mitch McConnell says he'll create a witch-hunt committee to investigate Flynn + "links" to Trump. Watergate, Iran-Contra, Ken Starr, Benghazi all happened while Congress was controlled by the opposition party. This is a truly outrageous act of treachery.

    It's clear that there's a soft coup in motion to impeach Trump and install Pence. Should not have given them the opening they needed. Like I said it was a huge mistake to allow a nothing controversy to be elevated like this.

    Traitor Mitch McConnell says he’ll create a witch-hunt committee to investigate Flynn + “links” to Trump. Watergate, Iran-Contra, Ken Starr, Benghazi all happened while Congress was controlled by the opposition party. This is a truly outrageous act of treachery.

    What else would you expect from Mitch McConnell?

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  118. @Jack Hanson
    The reality is that if Flynn was competent at CI, he would have not let himself be recorded surreptiously.

    The reality is that if Flynn was competent at CI, he would have not let himself be recorded surreptiously.

    Don’t be naïve. With the technology and the security laws they have now, they can eavesdrop on anyone they want any old time they feel like it. The Deep State won’t even let a president stand in their way. What makes you think they’re going to let some NSA director do so? Dennis Kucinich nails it in this Fox News interview: http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/02/14/kucinich-pins-flynn-leak-on-intel-community-warns-another-cold-war.html

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    How silly of me, to assume a career MI officer would stay up to date on his trade.

    Perhaps it is you who is being naive.
  119. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @guest
    Yes, Russia is target #1, hopefully to eventually take over, but in the meantime to surround and suffocate. It is also the stupidest possible target, I think, stupider than China. In that sense even if Flynn was a madman on the subject of Iran, his obsession would be like smoking a couple of cigarettes a day compared to the full-blown meth addiction the Deep State has for Russia.

    And we’re off to the races already:

    “President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea,” Spicer said at a daily news briefing. “At the same time, he fully expects to and wants to get along with Russia.”

    WASHINGTON — Russia has secretly deployed a new cruise missile that American officials say violates a landmark arms control treaty, posing a major test for President Trump as his administration is facing a crisis over its ties to Moscow.

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    • Replies: @newrouter
    " Russia has secretly deployed a new cruise missile that American officials say violates a landmark arms control treaty, "

    also "trolling" off the east coast


    Invading a country club near you or the shtelt near (((you))):

    The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming!

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060921/
  120. @Rebunga
    What's really funny is that I would have voted for Al Czervik over Hillary Clinton too.

    I would have voted for Spaulding over Hillary.

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  121. @Opinionator
    Steve,

    Did you coin "The Megaphone" and "Invade the Word Invite the World"?

    As a longtime fan, I recall that “in hock to the world” was originally appended to the end of the latter.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/09/invade-world-invite-world-in-hock-to.html
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/10/introduction-to-my-book-americas-half.html
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/search/label/invade%20invite%20in%20hock

    nicely tying in the Sand State Housing Bubble. Apparently it made it into Steve’s Obama book too (see second link)

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  122. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    The actor who played Noonan played a partner in the law firm in Michael Clayton, where Clooney played the ethnic Catholic local kid who made it to the white shoe law firm in NYC... sort of...
    which kind of would have been the career arc of Noonan...

    “the ethnic Catholic local kid”

    A description which could fit guys ranging from John Gotti jr. to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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  123. The latter, I think.

    “Megaphone” comes from a commenter, perhaps Svigor.

    No, mine was “bullhorn.” It really sounds like a more apt title, what with “bull” being in the title, and all, but “mega” has a creepier, more dystopian vibe.

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  124. @Svigor

    The latter, I think.

    “Megaphone” comes from a commenter, perhaps Svigor.
     
    No, mine was "bullhorn." It really sounds like a more apt title, what with "bull" being in the title, and all, but "mega" has a creepier, more dystopian vibe.

    Bullhorn is good, too.

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  125. @Anonymous
    And we're off to the races already:

    "President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at a daily news briefing. "At the same time, he fully expects to and wants to get along with Russia."
     


    WASHINGTON — Russia has secretly deployed a new cruise missile that American officials say violates a landmark arms control treaty, posing a major test for President Trump as his administration is facing a crisis over its ties to Moscow.
     

    ” Russia has secretly deployed a new cruise missile that American officials say violates a landmark arms control treaty, ”

    also “trolling” off the east coast

    Invading a country club near you or the shtelt near (((you))):

    The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming!

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060921/

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  126. @Opinionator
    And replace them with whom?

    Nobody, if replacements can’t be found. It’s a nest of vipers, why tolerate them a minute longer? Why not ask some intelligent (I said intelligent, not liberal) high-schoolers to volunteer? Couldn’t be worse, and may indeed prove a whole lot better.

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  127. The fact that the likes of Mark Minter posts here, the elderly sperg loved by redpill losers all over the net, is proof enough of the poor quality of the comments here. Mostly it’s either guys who have problems with women or money and blame it all on Jews or blacks, or it’s elderly folks slipping into senility who post here because Netflix is too scary and confusing

    Ad hom. But I’d be delighted to know where the comments are better.

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    She must have followed somebody here from Rollo's place. Give her a pint of vodka and stick her in a corner. One of his bunny-boilers, he's got more than is either necessary or decent, and he doesn't ban them until they start spamming the comments to death. Their trade mark is picking a "blokey" first name as a handle.
  128. @Seamus Padraig

    The reality is that if Flynn was competent at CI, he would have not let himself be recorded surreptiously.
     
    Don't be naïve. With the technology and the security laws they have now, they can eavesdrop on anyone they want any old time they feel like it. The Deep State won't even let a president stand in their way. What makes you think they're going to let some NSA director do so? Dennis Kucinich nails it in this Fox News interview: http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/02/14/kucinich-pins-flynn-leak-on-intel-community-warns-another-cold-war.html

    How silly of me, to assume a career MI officer would stay up to date on his trade.

    Perhaps it is you who is being naive.

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  129. @Opinionator
    You assume he had something to hide.

    I’m not. He got fired for lying to Pence.

    So either he is out of the loop in his own trade or he’s too dishonest to keep around. Neither prospect is flattering.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Maybe he misled Pence because Pence is the kind of standard-issue Russophobic GOPe neocon to get the wrong ideas.
    , @Opinionator
    No. It's not clear that he "lied" to Pence. You haven't seen the transcript, and you have no first hand knowledge of what he told Pence. The Washington Post stated that the transcript could be read in two ways. And the account given in Flynn's resignation letter is at odds with your characterization.

    You present a false dichotomy.

  130. Another way to plug leaks is to fire anyone who gives off a whiff of not wanting the job. People who represent consistent, damaging leaks don’t want their jobs. Pursuant to that, look at people who are well-connected, independently wealthy or married to someone who is, young and single, etc. People who fit the profile of not being too hungry, in other words.

    It’s the White House, people who work there should want their jobs.

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    • Replies: @Boomstick
    Most of the people involved are not White House, I suspect. They're probably in the permanent bureaucracy. This gets to Michael Anton's piece, but only worse. This is secret administrative state control. A regulatory agency has at least nominal democratic control by the executive and legislative branches, and is an identifiable entity that can one get angry at and reign in. Secret control by unidentified persons that could be in any one of several secret intelligence or diplomatic agencies is a not very good outcome. Sheepdogs that begin to worry livestock develop a taste for it, and need to be quickly identified and culled.

    If they really wanted to stop Flynn for substantiative reasons it should have been simple enough: refuse a security clearance.

    https://amgreatness.com/2017/02/12/decius-darkness-qa-michael-anton/

    The country was on a bad course, in my view. Administrative state control was growing and the speed of that growth was accelerating. There is massive bipartisan support for administrative state rule. The major exception in the last generation was the Trump candidacy.

    Now, my judgement may have been wrong that 2016 was the last chance to turn things around. Obviously I don’t think it was wrong or else I wouldn’t have written that but one can’t rule it out.
     
  131. Looking at this now, the fact that the Deep State would lay its cards on the table to take out Flynn is somewhat telling at the level of desperation on the other side.

    Using this to knock out Bannon or Miller would have hurt, but Flynn? They just put everyone on alert that there is a seriously rogue element in the Intel community, one that has to be dealt with immediately.

    It would all be very intriguing and Byzantine if it were not happening in our own government.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I don't know. Wasn't Flynn already being investigated at high levels of authority at the end of the Obama administration as a result of the alleged hack? How is this an example of "deep state" maneuvering?
    , @Expletive Deleted
    I know the President won't have time to wade through all the George Smiley novels, but he ought to have a couple of hours watching, say, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (I don't know if you can get the Alec Guinness TV ones on disk ). Of course we don't trace moles via shonky typewriters anymore, and the Provos' antics put paid to leaving stuff in bins in the street for the most part.
  132. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jack Hanson
    I'm not. He got fired for lying to Pence.

    So either he is out of the loop in his own trade or he's too dishonest to keep around. Neither prospect is flattering.

    Maybe he misled Pence because Pence is the kind of standard-issue Russophobic GOPe neocon to get the wrong ideas.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Yeah, but Trump isn't. Flynn was in long enough to know how chain of command works, and if your concerns aren't met by the guy you're talking to, you take it to the next level.

    Here's a brain stumper: Would Flynn have tolerated a subordinate lying to him, you think?
  133. @Jack Hanson
    I'm not. He got fired for lying to Pence.

    So either he is out of the loop in his own trade or he's too dishonest to keep around. Neither prospect is flattering.

    No. It’s not clear that he “lied” to Pence. You haven’t seen the transcript, and you have no first hand knowledge of what he told Pence. The Washington Post stated that the transcript could be read in two ways. And the account given in Flynn’s resignation letter is at odds with your characterization.

    You present a false dichotomy.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Let's say he lied to Pence. People lie all the time, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit. That's insubordination, but he did a good turn in calming Russia's nerves, I think, or at least making a gesture in that direction. And the opposition, including and especially the press, is on a nonstop mission to paint the Trump administration as in bed with Russia. You've gotta weigh that against the no-no of lying.

    Did he even make Pence look bad? I don't know, no one remembers that part. The specific basis for his firing has the appearance of a pretext at this point. Assuming Pence didn't say "him or me," it either came down to not being able to trust Flynn or Trump's "your fired" spidey sense for who belongs on Team Trump. I don't know how good that sense is, but he's mostly won so far so I don't look at it askance.

    You can't say they had more to lose Narrative-wise by keeping Flynn, considering the whole story fits so well into the Russian infiltration of the Trump administration Narrative, plus the general Trump Is Incompetent Narrative. So Flynn has to be out of line enough for the bad press to be worth it. Lying to Pence sounds more like a cover story than the real deal.

    Unless Trump is just a fire-happy guy, and will continue to be as apparently arbitrary as he was on The Apprentice. If so, he really should focus on the leakers and the Russophobic saber-rattlers, not the Flynns of the world. Though for the record I don't like Flynn.

    Hopefully he fires a lot of neocons, GOPe's, and squishy-cons, too. I just get a bad feeling he's going to eventually be surrounded by the Rinse Pubises of the world
    , @Jack Hanson
    Cool argument by assumption bro. Glad to see you haven't changed since you were predicting Trump was doomed every week during the general.
  134. @Jack Hanson
    Looking at this now, the fact that the Deep State would lay its cards on the table to take out Flynn is somewhat telling at the level of desperation on the other side.

    Using this to knock out Bannon or Miller would have hurt, but Flynn? They just put everyone on alert that there is a seriously rogue element in the Intel community, one that has to be dealt with immediately.

    It would all be very intriguing and Byzantine if it were not happening in our own government.

    I don’t know. Wasn’t Flynn already being investigated at high levels of authority at the end of the Obama administration as a result of the alleged hack? How is this an example of “deep state” maneuvering?

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    • Replies: @guest
    People assume the leak came from the Deep State, and Flynn stands in the way of their anti-Russomania because he sat next to Putin somewhere, sometime. That's about as far as the thinking goes.

    The very fact that Russia, the national security adviser, and a leaked wiretap is involved makes me think Deep State. I wouldn't even have to know anything about the political context. That's how peoples' minds work.

  135. @Opinionator
    I don't know. Wasn't Flynn already being investigated at high levels of authority at the end of the Obama administration as a result of the alleged hack? How is this an example of "deep state" maneuvering?

    People assume the leak came from the Deep State, and Flynn stands in the way of their anti-Russomania because he sat next to Putin somewhere, sometime. That’s about as far as the thinking goes.

    The very fact that Russia, the national security adviser, and a leaked wiretap is involved makes me think Deep State. I wouldn’t even have to know anything about the political context. That’s how peoples’ minds work.

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  136. @Opinionator
    No. It's not clear that he "lied" to Pence. You haven't seen the transcript, and you have no first hand knowledge of what he told Pence. The Washington Post stated that the transcript could be read in two ways. And the account given in Flynn's resignation letter is at odds with your characterization.

    You present a false dichotomy.

    Let’s say he lied to Pence. People lie all the time, and it wouldn’t surprise me a bit. That’s insubordination, but he did a good turn in calming Russia’s nerves, I think, or at least making a gesture in that direction. And the opposition, including and especially the press, is on a nonstop mission to paint the Trump administration as in bed with Russia. You’ve gotta weigh that against the no-no of lying.

    Did he even make Pence look bad? I don’t know, no one remembers that part. The specific basis for his firing has the appearance of a pretext at this point. Assuming Pence didn’t say “him or me,” it either came down to not being able to trust Flynn or Trump’s “your fired” spidey sense for who belongs on Team Trump. I don’t know how good that sense is, but he’s mostly won so far so I don’t look at it askance.

    You can’t say they had more to lose Narrative-wise by keeping Flynn, considering the whole story fits so well into the Russian infiltration of the Trump administration Narrative, plus the general Trump Is Incompetent Narrative. So Flynn has to be out of line enough for the bad press to be worth it. Lying to Pence sounds more like a cover story than the real deal.

    Unless Trump is just a fire-happy guy, and will continue to be as apparently arbitrary as he was on The Apprentice. If so, he really should focus on the leakers and the Russophobic saber-rattlers, not the Flynns of the world. Though for the record I don’t like Flynn.

    Hopefully he fires a lot of neocons, GOPe’s, and squishy-cons, too. I just get a bad feeling he’s going to eventually be surrounded by the Rinse Pubises of the world

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Is this the "Animal House" defense - Flynn to Pence - "You f'ked up - you trusted me"?

    It's OK to lie to the press if you think you can get away with it. It's not OK to lie to the people on your own team for the purpose of saving your ass. Flynn was looking out for Flynn. Once you start acting that way in the WH, your days are numbered - your job is to make the President look good, not to make yourself look good.

    I don't know how Flynn thought he would get away with it- he should have known that there were people listening in on the conversation. He may have figured that the transcripts were top secret and would never leak to the press and that he would get away with lying to Pence. If the controversy had died down because the press had no proof, Trump and Pence might have forgiven him (apparently no one bothered to tell Pence that Flynn was lying to him until he read about it in the newspaper) but instead Trump's enemies saw blood in the water and moved in for the kill. He chose poorly.
  137. @Svigor
    Another way to plug leaks is to fire anyone who gives off a whiff of not wanting the job. People who represent consistent, damaging leaks don't want their jobs. Pursuant to that, look at people who are well-connected, independently wealthy or married to someone who is, young and single, etc. People who fit the profile of not being too hungry, in other words.

    It's the White House, people who work there should want their jobs.

    Most of the people involved are not White House, I suspect. They’re probably in the permanent bureaucracy. This gets to Michael Anton’s piece, but only worse. This is secret administrative state control. A regulatory agency has at least nominal democratic control by the executive and legislative branches, and is an identifiable entity that can one get angry at and reign in. Secret control by unidentified persons that could be in any one of several secret intelligence or diplomatic agencies is a not very good outcome. Sheepdogs that begin to worry livestock develop a taste for it, and need to be quickly identified and culled.

    If they really wanted to stop Flynn for substantiative reasons it should have been simple enough: refuse a security clearance.

    https://amgreatness.com/2017/02/12/decius-darkness-qa-michael-anton/

    The country was on a bad course, in my view. Administrative state control was growing and the speed of that growth was accelerating. There is massive bipartisan support for administrative state rule. The major exception in the last generation was the Trump candidacy.

    Now, my judgement may have been wrong that 2016 was the last chance to turn things around. Obviously I don’t think it was wrong or else I wouldn’t have written that but one can’t rule it out.

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    Sheepdogs that begin to worry livestock develop a taste for it, and need to be quickly identified and culled.
     
    He's going to need a pretty large barn to take them all out behind.
  138. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Out_(film)

    When blacks are going around committing all the crime, we have to worry about some white town that is make negroes disappear?

    What is this? Boy with the Dragon Ass Tattoo?

    But then, Hollywood gives us FAKE AMERICA.

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  139. @Anonymous
    Maybe he misled Pence because Pence is the kind of standard-issue Russophobic GOPe neocon to get the wrong ideas.

    Yeah, but Trump isn’t. Flynn was in long enough to know how chain of command works, and if your concerns aren’t met by the guy you’re talking to, you take it to the next level.

    Here’s a brain stumper: Would Flynn have tolerated a subordinate lying to him, you think?

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  140. @Opinionator
    No. It's not clear that he "lied" to Pence. You haven't seen the transcript, and you have no first hand knowledge of what he told Pence. The Washington Post stated that the transcript could be read in two ways. And the account given in Flynn's resignation letter is at odds with your characterization.

    You present a false dichotomy.

    Cool argument by assumption bro. Glad to see you haven’t changed since you were predicting Trump was doomed every week during the general.

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  141. @whorefinder
    I'm getting the distinct impression I should communicate to Steve solely via YouTube clips he can re-post.

    Video wins over everything. It’s far more compelling to most people and far more effective (when well-produced) than any other medium. Not for nothing did our self-styled ‘betters’ gain a stranglehold on movies and broadcast media early on. Not incidentally, it’s generally one-way communication, like movies and television.

    I have to avoid a lot of sites which now post videos instead of print stories, since I’m often on my phone and don’t have the bandwidth. Besides, I don’t like the slow pace of video, which you can’t really adjust.

    Even worse, some of my favorite discussion sites have devolved into people simply posting YouTube links back and forth, in lieu of thinking up, you know, words of their own. Our preference here for actual language and interaction is one reason unz.com continues to attract intelligent contributors. Long may it last!

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  142. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jack Hanson
    Flynn obviously thought he needed to resign. I'm not shocked by the pearl clutching going on from the same chorus around here that has been looking for a reason to proclaim how doomed we are since Trump pulled ahead in August 2015.

    Trump held onto people in the past over worst screw ups, so obviously something went down that must have jarred his confidence in Flynn. Personally I think the man was a little too hung up over Iran, and that was causing friction with the Russian detente.

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.

    It’s certainly needed.

    In theory it should be easy to do by going after the people responsible for arming Isis – that should unravel the whole network – but maybe not so easy in practice.

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  143. @Berty
    The fact that the likes of Mark Minter posts here, the elderly sperg loved by redpill losers all over the net, is proof enough of the poor quality of the comments here. Mostly it's either guys who have problems with women or money and blame it all on Jews or blacks, or it's elderly folks slipping into senility who post here because Netflix is too scary and confusing.

    Yeah you sound like a real happy guy man. How do I get to be more like you?

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  144. @utu

    The bigger issue is the deep state purge Trump is going to HAVE to engage in now.
     
    No, it is not going to happen. It is over. Trump gave up. I heard it in his voice during the press conference with Justin Trudeau. Trump will resign or resign himself to follow the Deep State.

    Why not just wait and see how it plays out? I don’t see the need to forecast doom here. It’s not a very scientific way of thinking.

    I see this kind of tendency on the website of a sports team I follow. I hope these people don’t react this way to setbacks in their own lives. I just think like, “Oh that sucks. I’ll have to got through it now.” Not like, “Everything is ruined! It’s all so horrible!!” IDK OK I’ll stop rambling now :)

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    I think the key thing to remember is elements of the CIA helped create and arm Isis.

    #

    I’m going to assume what Flynn did was something that is always done by candidates even if it’s against the rules i.e. having informal chats with world leaders to make sure no one gets jumpy. I’d expect one of Clinton’s team did the same.

    Flynn assumed it would be kept discreet because it usually is – for good reason.

    Deep state leaks tape to damage Trump – but seems out of proportion to me – risking a treason trial to get Flynn, revealing their hand to score a small victory?

    So my guess is it was a panic move by the people connected to the Isis operation.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    The FBI was listening not the CIA. Listening in on embassies in the US is FBI jurisdiction. The CIA is not supposed to spy inside the US. The FBI is full of leaks plus they reported to the Obama loyalist acting AG in the Justice Dept. Whatever they did is not treason though it may violate other laws.

    Flynn's chat apparently was somewhat ambiguous as to whether it went over the line or not. Really the best thing is to say "we're not in charge yet and I can't speak on behalf of the US gov until I am" and leave it at that. This would be equally true going the other way. We only have 1 President at a time. Maybe the solution is to move the Inauguration up even further - in the UK it's done overnight. Flynn might have gotten away with it if he hadn't lied to his own team. Trump would have loved to fight the Dems on this if he thought that Flynn was on his side instead of on Flynn's side.
    , @guest
    It's a stretch to think they risked treason charges, even if they were caught, and despite the fact that they'd have the establishment discretely on their side.
    , @utu
    When Flynn was the head of DIA while gen. Dempsey was the Chief of Staff, DIA sabotaged some CIA weapon shipments to Syria. This was done to open channels with Assad via Tel Aviv, Moscow and Berlin. It is possible that this operation was done with a tacit approval of Obama. However by September 2015 when Putin moved to Syria this faction in Pentagon was sidelined and replaced with anti Russian hawks.

    Anyway, Flynn and his Pentagon faction was playing alternate game to that of CIA and neocons. So certainly he was in position to chart new course against neocons and CIA. W/o him Trump chances of changing anything are zero I am afraid. Besides Trump will be preoccupied with his own survival. They want him out. They won't accept him even if he cried uncle.
  146. @Horseball
    This is without a doubt the biggest change in the zeitgeist since the days of my youth. We lustily cheered Belushi's Blutarsky, Rodney's Al Czervik, Bill Murray's camp counselor and the like. The slobs were the heroes, the snobs the villains. We're now being ruled by 100,000 Glen Marmalards.

    This is without a doubt the biggest change in the zeitgeist since the days of my youth. We lustily cheered Belushi’s Blutarsky, Rodney’s Al Czervik, Bill Murray’s camp counselor and the like. The slobs were the heroes, the snobs the villains. We’re now being ruled by 100,000 Glen Marmalards.

    Yeah. Back then, populism was still considered a good thing; it’s now basically a four-letter word. Remember Arthur Schlesinger Jr’s book The Age of Jackson? Andrew Jackson was the good-guy. Now he’s fighting for his life of the twenty-dollar bill.

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  147. ” Pushy Jew”

    “Tipsy” Livni who cannot travel outside Israel because of legal threats, is being pushed to become the Asst SG of the UN. Israel has a long history of non-compliance with UN resolutions and it seems are US is bent on rewarding it.

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  148. @Steve Sailer
    Roberts, Biden, Pelosi ... losers!

    One of the other funny things about high ranking fixer Catholics in DC (Roberts, Biden, Pelosi, etc.) is hearing them complain about how mean the nuns were at parochial schools back in the day… I recall a conversation over drinks with Chris and Kathleen Matthews about this… as if turning illiterate peasants into Supreme Court justices and high level operatives in the span of one generation were easy…

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    The illiterate peasant fathers of the three Catholic fixers you mentioned were (1) an electrical engineer who became a steel mill maintenance director, (2) an airport manager, and (3) a Mayor of Baltimore.
  149. @Steve Sailer
    Roberts, Biden, Pelosi ... losers!

    Interestingly it was a Buchanan nephew who said this. Pat has kept his religious integrity pretty well while doing great work in a very hostile environment.

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  150. @guest
    Let's say he lied to Pence. People lie all the time, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit. That's insubordination, but he did a good turn in calming Russia's nerves, I think, or at least making a gesture in that direction. And the opposition, including and especially the press, is on a nonstop mission to paint the Trump administration as in bed with Russia. You've gotta weigh that against the no-no of lying.

    Did he even make Pence look bad? I don't know, no one remembers that part. The specific basis for his firing has the appearance of a pretext at this point. Assuming Pence didn't say "him or me," it either came down to not being able to trust Flynn or Trump's "your fired" spidey sense for who belongs on Team Trump. I don't know how good that sense is, but he's mostly won so far so I don't look at it askance.

    You can't say they had more to lose Narrative-wise by keeping Flynn, considering the whole story fits so well into the Russian infiltration of the Trump administration Narrative, plus the general Trump Is Incompetent Narrative. So Flynn has to be out of line enough for the bad press to be worth it. Lying to Pence sounds more like a cover story than the real deal.

    Unless Trump is just a fire-happy guy, and will continue to be as apparently arbitrary as he was on The Apprentice. If so, he really should focus on the leakers and the Russophobic saber-rattlers, not the Flynns of the world. Though for the record I don't like Flynn.

    Hopefully he fires a lot of neocons, GOPe's, and squishy-cons, too. I just get a bad feeling he's going to eventually be surrounded by the Rinse Pubises of the world

    Is this the “Animal House” defense – Flynn to Pence – “You f’ked up – you trusted me”?

    It’s OK to lie to the press if you think you can get away with it. It’s not OK to lie to the people on your own team for the purpose of saving your ass. Flynn was looking out for Flynn. Once you start acting that way in the WH, your days are numbered – your job is to make the President look good, not to make yourself look good.

    I don’t know how Flynn thought he would get away with it- he should have known that there were people listening in on the conversation. He may have figured that the transcripts were top secret and would never leak to the press and that he would get away with lying to Pence. If the controversy had died down because the press had no proof, Trump and Pence might have forgiven him (apparently no one bothered to tell Pence that Flynn was lying to him until he read about it in the newspaper) but instead Trump’s enemies saw blood in the water and moved in for the kill. He chose poorly.

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    • Replies: @guest
    I don't know why you're looking at it all from Flynn's side. What he did and didn't do, and why it's fireable. Pence reading about it in the newspaper I could care less about. It is a bad thing that Flynn would be insubordinate, and you'd have to wonder whether you can trust him, if you're Trump or Flynn.

    But there are other considerations. Like what's the worse press, the original story or the story that's come out after the firing, apparently confirming everyone's stupid, childish suspicions? Because I say the latter. What's more important, Pence's position/being able to trust your advisor, or losing to the Deep State?

    There are about a million considerations, and I don't know if Trump, a semi-politician, grasps them all. I say this not as a Flynn defender, I don't care about that guy in particular.
    , @anon

    I don’t know how Flynn thought he would get away with it- he should have known that there were people listening in on the conversation. He may have figured that the transcripts were top secret and would never leak to the press
     
    maybe it's normal for an incoming administration to have back channel chats with the Russians to ensure everyone is on the same page

    (now i've thought of it i'd be a little surprised if it wasn't)
  151. @Clifford Brown

    The actor who played Noonan played a partner in the law firm in Michael Clayton, where Clooney played the ethnic Catholic local kid who made it to the white shoe law firm in NYC… sort of…
    which kind of would have been the career arc of Noonan…
     
    Good read on one of my favorite films since 2000 directed by Tony Gilroy. Clooney never quite fits in with the elite corporate law firm system. His Irish working class background and family are both the source of his downfall and how he eventually escapes the amoral corporate system. I also read something inherently Celtic in the three horses on the hill that inspire Clooney to leave his car and, thus, survive the car bombing. Symbolically, the horses represent his family and how he will eventually escape the predicament that he is in by reaching out to his imperfect family.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8BL6-a_lzM

    Tony Gilroy's films range from The Devil's Advocate, a cheesy, but highly entertaining, occult take on Manhattan law firm corruption, the Bourne movies, the underrated and darkly, beautiful LA centric Nightcrawler (as Producer working with his brother, Dan Gilroy) to Star Wars: Rogue One which he allegedly rescued from the ashes. I am quite the fan of his work. Still, Michael Clayton is my favorite.

    This is why I love the Sailer-sphere crew. I thought I was the only person on the planet with such a high regard for Michael Clayton. Tom Wilkinson is fantastic in it, and the long take finale is a nice art house touch.

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  152. @anon
    I think the key thing to remember is elements of the CIA helped create and arm Isis.

    #

    I'm going to assume what Flynn did was something that is always done by candidates even if it's against the rules i.e. having informal chats with world leaders to make sure no one gets jumpy. I'd expect one of Clinton's team did the same.

    Flynn assumed it would be kept discreet because it usually is - for good reason.

    Deep state leaks tape to damage Trump - but seems out of proportion to me - risking a treason trial to get Flynn, revealing their hand to score a small victory?

    So my guess is it was a panic move by the people connected to the Isis operation.

    The FBI was listening not the CIA. Listening in on embassies in the US is FBI jurisdiction. The CIA is not supposed to spy inside the US. The FBI is full of leaks plus they reported to the Obama loyalist acting AG in the Justice Dept. Whatever they did is not treason though it may violate other laws.

    Flynn’s chat apparently was somewhat ambiguous as to whether it went over the line or not. Really the best thing is to say “we’re not in charge yet and I can’t speak on behalf of the US gov until I am” and leave it at that. This would be equally true going the other way. We only have 1 President at a time. Maybe the solution is to move the Inauguration up even further – in the UK it’s done overnight. Flynn might have gotten away with it if he hadn’t lied to his own team. Trump would have loved to fight the Dems on this if he thought that Flynn was on his side instead of on Flynn’s side.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Really the best thing is to say “we’re not in charge yet and I can’t speak on behalf of the US gov until I am” and leave it at that.

    You still haven't explained why Flynn shouldn't have said what he said.
  153. @Svigor

    The fact that the likes of Mark Minter posts here, the elderly sperg loved by redpill losers all over the net, is proof enough of the poor quality of the comments here. Mostly it’s either guys who have problems with women or money and blame it all on Jews or blacks, or it’s elderly folks slipping into senility who post here because Netflix is too scary and confusing
     
    Ad hom. But I'd be delighted to know where the comments are better.

    She must have followed somebody here from Rollo’s place. Give her a pint of vodka and stick her in a corner. One of his bunny-boilers, he’s got more than is either necessary or decent, and he doesn’t ban them until they start spamming the comments to death. Their trade mark is picking a “blokey” first name as a handle.

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  154. @Jack Hanson
    Looking at this now, the fact that the Deep State would lay its cards on the table to take out Flynn is somewhat telling at the level of desperation on the other side.

    Using this to knock out Bannon or Miller would have hurt, but Flynn? They just put everyone on alert that there is a seriously rogue element in the Intel community, one that has to be dealt with immediately.

    It would all be very intriguing and Byzantine if it were not happening in our own government.

    I know the President won’t have time to wade through all the George Smiley novels, but he ought to have a couple of hours watching, say, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (I don’t know if you can get the Alec Guinness TV ones on disk ). Of course we don’t trace moles via shonky typewriters anymore, and the Provos’ antics put paid to leaving stuff in bins in the street for the most part.

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  155. @Boomstick
    Most of the people involved are not White House, I suspect. They're probably in the permanent bureaucracy. This gets to Michael Anton's piece, but only worse. This is secret administrative state control. A regulatory agency has at least nominal democratic control by the executive and legislative branches, and is an identifiable entity that can one get angry at and reign in. Secret control by unidentified persons that could be in any one of several secret intelligence or diplomatic agencies is a not very good outcome. Sheepdogs that begin to worry livestock develop a taste for it, and need to be quickly identified and culled.

    If they really wanted to stop Flynn for substantiative reasons it should have been simple enough: refuse a security clearance.

    https://amgreatness.com/2017/02/12/decius-darkness-qa-michael-anton/

    The country was on a bad course, in my view. Administrative state control was growing and the speed of that growth was accelerating. There is massive bipartisan support for administrative state rule. The major exception in the last generation was the Trump candidacy.

    Now, my judgement may have been wrong that 2016 was the last chance to turn things around. Obviously I don’t think it was wrong or else I wouldn’t have written that but one can’t rule it out.
     

    Sheepdogs that begin to worry livestock develop a taste for it, and need to be quickly identified and culled.

    He’s going to need a pretty large barn to take them all out behind.

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  156. @Dave Pinsen
    How many of these people are fireable, and how many are protected by civil service rules?

    In Hungary the governments usually reorganize to circumvent these rules, and send the protected people to the reorganized diminished agencies, while give the new jobs for the party people in the newly created all-powerful agencies. But it requires legislative power, which Trump might lack.

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  157. @anon
    I think the key thing to remember is elements of the CIA helped create and arm Isis.

    #

    I'm going to assume what Flynn did was something that is always done by candidates even if it's against the rules i.e. having informal chats with world leaders to make sure no one gets jumpy. I'd expect one of Clinton's team did the same.

    Flynn assumed it would be kept discreet because it usually is - for good reason.

    Deep state leaks tape to damage Trump - but seems out of proportion to me - risking a treason trial to get Flynn, revealing their hand to score a small victory?

    So my guess is it was a panic move by the people connected to the Isis operation.

    It’s a stretch to think they risked treason charges, even if they were caught, and despite the fact that they’d have the establishment discretely on their side.

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  158. @Jack D
    Is this the "Animal House" defense - Flynn to Pence - "You f'ked up - you trusted me"?

    It's OK to lie to the press if you think you can get away with it. It's not OK to lie to the people on your own team for the purpose of saving your ass. Flynn was looking out for Flynn. Once you start acting that way in the WH, your days are numbered - your job is to make the President look good, not to make yourself look good.

    I don't know how Flynn thought he would get away with it- he should have known that there were people listening in on the conversation. He may have figured that the transcripts were top secret and would never leak to the press and that he would get away with lying to Pence. If the controversy had died down because the press had no proof, Trump and Pence might have forgiven him (apparently no one bothered to tell Pence that Flynn was lying to him until he read about it in the newspaper) but instead Trump's enemies saw blood in the water and moved in for the kill. He chose poorly.

    I don’t know why you’re looking at it all from Flynn’s side. What he did and didn’t do, and why it’s fireable. Pence reading about it in the newspaper I could care less about. It is a bad thing that Flynn would be insubordinate, and you’d have to wonder whether you can trust him, if you’re Trump or Flynn.

    But there are other considerations. Like what’s the worse press, the original story or the story that’s come out after the firing, apparently confirming everyone’s stupid, childish suspicions? Because I say the latter. What’s more important, Pence’s position/being able to trust your advisor, or losing to the Deep State?

    There are about a million considerations, and I don’t know if Trump, a semi-politician, grasps them all. I say this not as a Flynn defender, I don’t care about that guy in particular.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    How was he insubordinate?
    , @BB753
    Trump always plays the long game. He merely threw a bone to the deep state to distract them and gain time. A big purge is in the making and it won't look pretty.
  159. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    One of the other funny things about high ranking fixer Catholics in DC (Roberts, Biden, Pelosi, etc.) is hearing them complain about how mean the nuns were at parochial schools back in the day... I recall a conversation over drinks with Chris and Kathleen Matthews about this... as if turning illiterate peasants into Supreme Court justices and high level operatives in the span of one generation were easy...

    The illiterate peasant fathers of the three Catholic fixers you mentioned were (1) an electrical engineer who became a steel mill maintenance director, (2) an airport manager, and (3) a Mayor of Baltimore.

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Okay, not really one generation, but I think you get my point... my agrarian Hibernian family went from immigrant to millionaire in one, no education to college in two, no education to Ivy League in three generations...
  160. @anon
    I think the key thing to remember is elements of the CIA helped create and arm Isis.

    #

    I'm going to assume what Flynn did was something that is always done by candidates even if it's against the rules i.e. having informal chats with world leaders to make sure no one gets jumpy. I'd expect one of Clinton's team did the same.

    Flynn assumed it would be kept discreet because it usually is - for good reason.

    Deep state leaks tape to damage Trump - but seems out of proportion to me - risking a treason trial to get Flynn, revealing their hand to score a small victory?

    So my guess is it was a panic move by the people connected to the Isis operation.

    When Flynn was the head of DIA while gen. Dempsey was the Chief of Staff, DIA sabotaged some CIA weapon shipments to Syria. This was done to open channels with Assad via Tel Aviv, Moscow and Berlin. It is possible that this operation was done with a tacit approval of Obama. However by September 2015 when Putin moved to Syria this faction in Pentagon was sidelined and replaced with anti Russian hawks.

    Anyway, Flynn and his Pentagon faction was playing alternate game to that of CIA and neocons. So certainly he was in position to chart new course against neocons and CIA. W/o him Trump chances of changing anything are zero I am afraid. Besides Trump will be preoccupied with his own survival. They want him out. They won’t accept him even if he cried uncle.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    So I see your doom fantasy defeatism wasn't satire, but how you really feel.

    Good grief you are sad.
    , @anon

    When Flynn was the head of DIA while gen. Dempsey was the Chief of Staff, DIA sabotaged some CIA weapon shipments to Syria. This was done to open channels with Assad via Tel Aviv, Moscow and Berlin.
     
    So Flynn would know all about the CIA's gun running for Isis.

    If Trump could get the ball rolling on this I'd expect it could take out most of his Deep State enemies and half his GOPe enemies as well like McCain and McMuffin.
  161. @utu
    When Flynn was the head of DIA while gen. Dempsey was the Chief of Staff, DIA sabotaged some CIA weapon shipments to Syria. This was done to open channels with Assad via Tel Aviv, Moscow and Berlin. It is possible that this operation was done with a tacit approval of Obama. However by September 2015 when Putin moved to Syria this faction in Pentagon was sidelined and replaced with anti Russian hawks.

    Anyway, Flynn and his Pentagon faction was playing alternate game to that of CIA and neocons. So certainly he was in position to chart new course against neocons and CIA. W/o him Trump chances of changing anything are zero I am afraid. Besides Trump will be preoccupied with his own survival. They want him out. They won't accept him even if he cried uncle.

    So I see your doom fantasy defeatism wasn’t satire, but how you really feel.

    Good grief you are sad.

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  162. @Jack D
    The only way he could have prevented this was by not talking on the phone. He could have had an in person meeting with the Russian ambassador at some secure location (and hoped that the ambassador was not wired himself) or else he could have just kept his mouth shut until after the inauguration and limited his conversation to wishing the ambassador Merry Christmas as he told Pence he did. If he was talking on the phone he should have assumed that he was being taped, that whatever he said would leak one way or another and that therefore whatever he said should be suitable for publication on the front page of the NYT (or too platitudinous to warrant publication). He was not yet in office and had no business even telegraphing that US policy would change after Trump took office. He had no authority to say anything on behalf of the US beyond "Merry Christmas and a I look forward to working with you after the Inauguration when I will have authority to speak on behalf of the US government. If he had said that he would still have a job.

    Which is my point. He should have assumed he was being recorded and cunning enough to know his words might bite him in the ass.

    He didn’t. He wasn’t. So instead Trump picks a Navy SEAL as NSC that is giving off a “cleaner” vibe.

    I’m curious if this will be Trump’s new standard: Foil my first choice, okay. Here’s my second, twice as bad (to progs). We will see with his Labor Sec pick.

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    • Replies: @res

    I’m curious if this will be Trump’s new standard: Foil my first choice, okay. Here’s my second, twice as bad (to progs). We will see with his Labor Sec pick.
     
    That makes sense to me. Does The Art of the Deal say anything related to this?
  163. @Jack Hanson
    Cool argument by assumption bro. Glad to see you haven't changed since you were predicting Trump was doomed every week during the general.

    All the premises are facts.

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  164. @guest
    I don't know why you're looking at it all from Flynn's side. What he did and didn't do, and why it's fireable. Pence reading about it in the newspaper I could care less about. It is a bad thing that Flynn would be insubordinate, and you'd have to wonder whether you can trust him, if you're Trump or Flynn.

    But there are other considerations. Like what's the worse press, the original story or the story that's come out after the firing, apparently confirming everyone's stupid, childish suspicions? Because I say the latter. What's more important, Pence's position/being able to trust your advisor, or losing to the Deep State?

    There are about a million considerations, and I don't know if Trump, a semi-politician, grasps them all. I say this not as a Flynn defender, I don't care about that guy in particular.

    How was he insubordinate?

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    • Replies: @guest
    By lying to Pence, who I take it is his superior.
  165. @Jack D
    The FBI was listening not the CIA. Listening in on embassies in the US is FBI jurisdiction. The CIA is not supposed to spy inside the US. The FBI is full of leaks plus they reported to the Obama loyalist acting AG in the Justice Dept. Whatever they did is not treason though it may violate other laws.

    Flynn's chat apparently was somewhat ambiguous as to whether it went over the line or not. Really the best thing is to say "we're not in charge yet and I can't speak on behalf of the US gov until I am" and leave it at that. This would be equally true going the other way. We only have 1 President at a time. Maybe the solution is to move the Inauguration up even further - in the UK it's done overnight. Flynn might have gotten away with it if he hadn't lied to his own team. Trump would have loved to fight the Dems on this if he thought that Flynn was on his side instead of on Flynn's side.

    Really the best thing is to say “we’re not in charge yet and I can’t speak on behalf of the US gov until I am” and leave it at that.

    You still haven’t explained why Flynn shouldn’t have said what he said.

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  166. @Opinionator
    How was he insubordinate?

    By lying to Pence, who I take it is his superior.

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    • Replies: @utu
    "By lying to Pence, who I take it is his superior."

    Trump should get Pence out of DC. There is so many 3rd world countries that would be very happy to be visited by the VP of the US. I am sure there are some funerals to attend as well.
  167. @Opinionator
    Really the best thing is to say “we’re not in charge yet and I can’t speak on behalf of the US gov until I am” and leave it at that.

    You still haven't explained why Flynn shouldn't have said what he said.

    What did he say exactly?

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Let's be generous (to the critics) and suppose that sanctions came up but that no deal was made. None of us have seen the transcript but the above interpretation is reasonable given that it appeared in a media organ hostile to Trump. See a NYT article with Google FBI interviewed Flynn.

    Let's be even more generous and suppose that Flynn indicated that Trump would not be inclined to extend sanctions once in office.

    Or let's even go behind that and say a deal was made.

    What of it?

  168. @reiner Tor
    What did he say exactly?

    Let’s be generous (to the critics) and suppose that sanctions came up but that no deal was made. None of us have seen the transcript but the above interpretation is reasonable given that it appeared in a media organ hostile to Trump. See a NYT article with Google FBI interviewed Flynn.

    Let’s be even more generous and suppose that Flynn indicated that Trump would not be inclined to extend sanctions once in office.

    Or let’s even go behind that and say a deal was made.

    What of it?

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I'm not a lawyer, much less an English-speaking lawyer, and even less a US lawyer, but my understanding is that cutting a deal with the Russians was illegal. It sounds stupid that a sitting duck president can conduct foreign policy in total contradiction to the expected foreign policy of the president elect, and that meanwhile the president elect and his team are forbidden by law to contact the foreign powers affected to mitigate the harmful (to the US) effects of the sitting duck's actions, but apparently that is the law. In any event, I think it's difficult to know what he said.

    My instinct (disclaimer: obviously based on incomplete information) is that if what he said was legal, then it was stupid to fore him out, because forcing Flynn out gave the impression of admission of guilt. Perhaps Trump has a better view of this (obviously he's in possession of a lot more information, including the full transcript), but my instinct would be to protect Flynn unless he explicitly broke the law (and perhaps even then), and get rid of him later, after the media storm has passed. That way he'll eventually rid of the troublesome subordinate, without admitting to any guilt on his part (and, implicitly, bad judgment on the part of the leader who appointed the subordinate). That's how strong leaders operate around the world. I'm sure that's what Orbán does in Hungary.

  169. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jack D
    Is this the "Animal House" defense - Flynn to Pence - "You f'ked up - you trusted me"?

    It's OK to lie to the press if you think you can get away with it. It's not OK to lie to the people on your own team for the purpose of saving your ass. Flynn was looking out for Flynn. Once you start acting that way in the WH, your days are numbered - your job is to make the President look good, not to make yourself look good.

    I don't know how Flynn thought he would get away with it- he should have known that there were people listening in on the conversation. He may have figured that the transcripts were top secret and would never leak to the press and that he would get away with lying to Pence. If the controversy had died down because the press had no proof, Trump and Pence might have forgiven him (apparently no one bothered to tell Pence that Flynn was lying to him until he read about it in the newspaper) but instead Trump's enemies saw blood in the water and moved in for the kill. He chose poorly.

    I don’t know how Flynn thought he would get away with it- he should have known that there were people listening in on the conversation. He may have figured that the transcripts were top secret and would never leak to the press

    maybe it’s normal for an incoming administration to have back channel chats with the Russians to ensure everyone is on the same page

    (now i’ve thought of it i’d be a little surprised if it wasn’t)

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  170. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @guest
    It's a stretch to think they risked treason charges, even if they were caught, and despite the fact that they'd have the establishment discretely on their side.

    yeah, scratch that bit

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  171. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @utu
    When Flynn was the head of DIA while gen. Dempsey was the Chief of Staff, DIA sabotaged some CIA weapon shipments to Syria. This was done to open channels with Assad via Tel Aviv, Moscow and Berlin. It is possible that this operation was done with a tacit approval of Obama. However by September 2015 when Putin moved to Syria this faction in Pentagon was sidelined and replaced with anti Russian hawks.

    Anyway, Flynn and his Pentagon faction was playing alternate game to that of CIA and neocons. So certainly he was in position to chart new course against neocons and CIA. W/o him Trump chances of changing anything are zero I am afraid. Besides Trump will be preoccupied with his own survival. They want him out. They won't accept him even if he cried uncle.

    When Flynn was the head of DIA while gen. Dempsey was the Chief of Staff, DIA sabotaged some CIA weapon shipments to Syria. This was done to open channels with Assad via Tel Aviv, Moscow and Berlin.

    So Flynn would know all about the CIA’s gun running for Isis.

    If Trump could get the ball rolling on this I’d expect it could take out most of his Deep State enemies and half his GOPe enemies as well like McCain and McMuffin.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Does he even want to take out Juan McLame or Egg McMuffin? I don't like that man sitting in such a formerly august body, but it's fun to see the Nightly News turn to its pet Republican corpse whenever it needs a quote about what a bad wittle boy Trump has been. With Juan, all we'll be left with is Lindsey Graham. Or if he's canned too, then who? One of them chicks no one cares about? Mitch McConnell? How boring.

    As for McMuffin, he's even funnier than David French.
  172. @guest
    I don't know why you're looking at it all from Flynn's side. What he did and didn't do, and why it's fireable. Pence reading about it in the newspaper I could care less about. It is a bad thing that Flynn would be insubordinate, and you'd have to wonder whether you can trust him, if you're Trump or Flynn.

    But there are other considerations. Like what's the worse press, the original story or the story that's come out after the firing, apparently confirming everyone's stupid, childish suspicions? Because I say the latter. What's more important, Pence's position/being able to trust your advisor, or losing to the Deep State?

    There are about a million considerations, and I don't know if Trump, a semi-politician, grasps them all. I say this not as a Flynn defender, I don't care about that guy in particular.

    Trump always plays the long game. He merely threw a bone to the deep state to distract them and gain time. A big purge is in the making and it won’t look pretty.

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  173. @Opinionator
    Let's be generous (to the critics) and suppose that sanctions came up but that no deal was made. None of us have seen the transcript but the above interpretation is reasonable given that it appeared in a media organ hostile to Trump. See a NYT article with Google FBI interviewed Flynn.

    Let's be even more generous and suppose that Flynn indicated that Trump would not be inclined to extend sanctions once in office.

    Or let's even go behind that and say a deal was made.

    What of it?

    I’m not a lawyer, much less an English-speaking lawyer, and even less a US lawyer, but my understanding is that cutting a deal with the Russians was illegal. It sounds stupid that a sitting duck president can conduct foreign policy in total contradiction to the expected foreign policy of the president elect, and that meanwhile the president elect and his team are forbidden by law to contact the foreign powers affected to mitigate the harmful (to the US) effects of the sitting duck’s actions, but apparently that is the law. In any event, I think it’s difficult to know what he said.

    My instinct (disclaimer: obviously based on incomplete information) is that if what he said was legal, then it was stupid to fore him out, because forcing Flynn out gave the impression of admission of guilt. Perhaps Trump has a better view of this (obviously he’s in possession of a lot more information, including the full transcript), but my instinct would be to protect Flynn unless he explicitly broke the law (and perhaps even then), and get rid of him later, after the media storm has passed. That way he’ll eventually rid of the troublesome subordinate, without admitting to any guilt on his part (and, implicitly, bad judgment on the part of the leader who appointed the subordinate). That’s how strong leaders operate around the world. I’m sure that’s what Orbán does in Hungary.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Cutting deals is illegal. There are laws against unauthorized people conducting their own foreign policy. Laws under which probably no one's been prosecuted ever, but you know they'd find something to shoot Flynn down with if it was there. But the truth is there was no deal. This is a nothing scandal, and he was fired for internal, courtly reasons.

    Pretty much everyone accepts that at this point, except those who imagine there's more damming stuff out there. Which is possible, I guess, but based on what we know this is only a scandal if you squint your eyes, tilt your head, step back ten paces, empty your mind of conscious thought, and let the Putin demons dance before your eyes.

    , @Opinionator
    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/832401778062745600
  174. @guest
    By lying to Pence, who I take it is his superior.

    “By lying to Pence, who I take it is his superior.”

    Trump should get Pence out of DC. There is so many 3rd world countries that would be very happy to be visited by the VP of the US. I am sure there are some funerals to attend as well.

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  175. @Jack Hanson
    Which is my point. He should have assumed he was being recorded and cunning enough to know his words might bite him in the ass.

    He didn't. He wasn't. So instead Trump picks a Navy SEAL as NSC that is giving off a "cleaner" vibe.

    I'm curious if this will be Trump's new standard: Foil my first choice, okay. Here's my second, twice as bad (to progs). We will see with his Labor Sec pick.

    I’m curious if this will be Trump’s new standard: Foil my first choice, okay. Here’s my second, twice as bad (to progs). We will see with his Labor Sec pick.

    That makes sense to me. Does The Art of the Deal say anything related to this?

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  176. Flynn as sacrificial lamb to give Trump leverage to smash flat the IC establishment.

    But we are getting into triple bankshot theory with that one.

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    • Replies: @guest
    I don't get how it gives Trump leverage. Maybe it removes the leverage Deep State thought it gained by the leak. But absence of leverage is not leverage.
    , @utu
    Trump was back to himself during the press conference today. I suspect he was energized by Bibi who must have given him some reassurances. It is sad though that the American president must draw support from Israel to be able to carry out his policies against the internal opposition. Who calls the shots?
  177. @BB753
    Trump always plays the long game. He merely threw a bone to the deep state to distract them and gain time. A big purge is in the making and it won't look pretty.

    A big purge is in the making

    Let’s hope so.

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  178. @anon

    When Flynn was the head of DIA while gen. Dempsey was the Chief of Staff, DIA sabotaged some CIA weapon shipments to Syria. This was done to open channels with Assad via Tel Aviv, Moscow and Berlin.
     
    So Flynn would know all about the CIA's gun running for Isis.

    If Trump could get the ball rolling on this I'd expect it could take out most of his Deep State enemies and half his GOPe enemies as well like McCain and McMuffin.

    Does he even want to take out Juan McLame or Egg McMuffin? I don’t like that man sitting in such a formerly august body, but it’s fun to see the Nightly News turn to its pet Republican corpse whenever it needs a quote about what a bad wittle boy Trump has been. With Juan, all we’ll be left with is Lindsey Graham. Or if he’s canned too, then who? One of them chicks no one cares about? Mitch McConnell? How boring.

    As for McMuffin, he’s even funnier than David French.

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  179. @reiner Tor
    I'm not a lawyer, much less an English-speaking lawyer, and even less a US lawyer, but my understanding is that cutting a deal with the Russians was illegal. It sounds stupid that a sitting duck president can conduct foreign policy in total contradiction to the expected foreign policy of the president elect, and that meanwhile the president elect and his team are forbidden by law to contact the foreign powers affected to mitigate the harmful (to the US) effects of the sitting duck's actions, but apparently that is the law. In any event, I think it's difficult to know what he said.

    My instinct (disclaimer: obviously based on incomplete information) is that if what he said was legal, then it was stupid to fore him out, because forcing Flynn out gave the impression of admission of guilt. Perhaps Trump has a better view of this (obviously he's in possession of a lot more information, including the full transcript), but my instinct would be to protect Flynn unless he explicitly broke the law (and perhaps even then), and get rid of him later, after the media storm has passed. That way he'll eventually rid of the troublesome subordinate, without admitting to any guilt on his part (and, implicitly, bad judgment on the part of the leader who appointed the subordinate). That's how strong leaders operate around the world. I'm sure that's what Orbán does in Hungary.

    Cutting deals is illegal. There are laws against unauthorized people conducting their own foreign policy. Laws under which probably no one’s been prosecuted ever, but you know they’d find something to shoot Flynn down with if it was there. But the truth is there was no deal. This is a nothing scandal, and he was fired for internal, courtly reasons.

    Pretty much everyone accepts that at this point, except those who imagine there’s more damming stuff out there. Which is possible, I guess, but based on what we know this is only a scandal if you squint your eyes, tilt your head, step back ten paces, empty your mind of conscious thought, and let the Putin demons dance before your eyes.

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  180. @Jack Hanson
    Flynn as sacrificial lamb to give Trump leverage to smash flat the IC establishment.

    But we are getting into triple bankshot theory with that one.

    I don’t get how it gives Trump leverage. Maybe it removes the leverage Deep State thought it gained by the leak. But absence of leverage is not leverage.

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  181. I also bought bigger block cherub stickers (to match the invitations) to
    act being a seal to the back.

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  182. @Jack Hanson
    Flynn as sacrificial lamb to give Trump leverage to smash flat the IC establishment.

    But we are getting into triple bankshot theory with that one.

    Trump was back to himself during the press conference today. I suspect he was energized by Bibi who must have given him some reassurances. It is sad though that the American president must draw support from Israel to be able to carry out his policies against the internal opposition. Who calls the shots?

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  183. @reiner Tor
    I'm not a lawyer, much less an English-speaking lawyer, and even less a US lawyer, but my understanding is that cutting a deal with the Russians was illegal. It sounds stupid that a sitting duck president can conduct foreign policy in total contradiction to the expected foreign policy of the president elect, and that meanwhile the president elect and his team are forbidden by law to contact the foreign powers affected to mitigate the harmful (to the US) effects of the sitting duck's actions, but apparently that is the law. In any event, I think it's difficult to know what he said.

    My instinct (disclaimer: obviously based on incomplete information) is that if what he said was legal, then it was stupid to fore him out, because forcing Flynn out gave the impression of admission of guilt. Perhaps Trump has a better view of this (obviously he's in possession of a lot more information, including the full transcript), but my instinct would be to protect Flynn unless he explicitly broke the law (and perhaps even then), and get rid of him later, after the media storm has passed. That way he'll eventually rid of the troublesome subordinate, without admitting to any guilt on his part (and, implicitly, bad judgment on the part of the leader who appointed the subordinate). That's how strong leaders operate around the world. I'm sure that's what Orbán does in Hungary.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Well, unless Flynn did something illegal, my second paragraph applies: Trump should've protected him, and ousted him later, after the media storm has passed.
  184. @Opinionator
    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/832401778062745600

    Well, unless Flynn did something illegal, my second paragraph applies: Trump should’ve protected him, and ousted him later, after the media storm has passed.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    FYI

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445005/flynn-phone-call-coverup-searching-crime
    , @Opinionator
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/16/michael-flynn-has-absolutely-nothing-to-fear-from-the-logan-act/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8ba5e1e86c38
  185. @reiner Tor
    Well, unless Flynn did something illegal, my second paragraph applies: Trump should've protected him, and ousted him later, after the media storm has passed.
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  186. @reiner Tor
    Well, unless Flynn did something illegal, my second paragraph applies: Trump should've protected him, and ousted him later, after the media storm has passed.
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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Thanks for the links. So what I said applies: unless there was some other, unrelated reason for Flynn's dismissal, he should've protected him.
  187. @Opinionator
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/16/michael-flynn-has-absolutely-nothing-to-fear-from-the-logan-act/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8ba5e1e86c38

    Thanks for the links. So what I said applies: unless there was some other, unrelated reason for Flynn’s dismissal, he should’ve protected him.

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  188. @Hibernian
    The illiterate peasant fathers of the three Catholic fixers you mentioned were (1) an electrical engineer who became a steel mill maintenance director, (2) an airport manager, and (3) a Mayor of Baltimore.

    Okay, not really one generation, but I think you get my point… my agrarian Hibernian family went from immigrant to millionaire in one, no education to college in two, no education to Ivy League in three generations…

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