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The NYT’s 1619 project to “reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are,” which sounds like a parody I wrote but is actually real, is off to a surprising start. Instead of having a black lady write about her hair, the Times has a black guy write about basketball. That’s totally nonstereotypical!

Is Slavery’s Legacy in the Power Dynamics of Sports?

In the N.B.A., the very term “owner” has come under fire, as players, most of whom are black, assert self-determination.

By Kurt Streeter, Aug. 16, 2019

There is no other business like the N.B.A. Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America. Nearly 80 percent of league players are black. They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.

Yet, for all of their success, most of them cannot look at N.B.A. leadership and see their own reflections. The vast majority of head coaches are white, as are most general managers and other league executives. Of the men and women with controlling interests in N.B.A. teams, only one, Michael Jordan of the Charlotte Hornets, looks like most of the players on his team.

This stark divide, and the familiar questions it raises about white people overseeing the toil of African-Americans, adds a layer of tension that ripples just beneath the glamour of the N.B.A. Much of what transpires in the league can be seen through the lens of race, especially this summer, when players upended the usual power dynamics by forcing a flurry of trades and transformational free-agent signings.

Consider the debate sparked by Draymond Green, the Golden State Warriors’ voluble All-Star forward, when he cast a wary eye on the league, its power structure and its racial tensions.

In a string of public comments last fall that included an appearance on LeBron James’s HBO talk show, Green questioned how the white men and women who control all but one of the N.B.A’.s 30 teams are described.

“The word ‘owner,’” Green said, “it dates back to slavery.”

It has been 400 years since chattel slavery began in what is now the United States. But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619 — with African slaves and white owners, with people as currency — should be reworked when it comes to a business with the N.B.A.’s racial dynamic.

His remedy? “Maybe use the word ‘chairman’ instead.”

The league was already steering away from “owner,” though no official edict has been issued and Commissioner Adam Silver has said he’s fine with the word when it’s used in careful context. At N.B.A. headquarters, officials use “governor” as often as possible. Nonetheless, Silver told The New York Times in a recent interview that Green’s commentary was important.

Also something something Donald Sterling …

 
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  1. They own the business, not the players, you morons.

    • Agree: Bubba, Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Silva
    And, I think, in the specific meaning, since when every player was white.
  2. Every red-blooded male sports fan in the nation can recite the salaries of top ball players. Not one can quote the income of team owners. Few even know who the owners are. Can’t imagine why.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    They can't dunk.
    , @Bugg
    I understand salary caps are a way for team owners to suppress players' salaries . Professional sports is entertainment. Nobody goes to a concert nor a movie and much cares what the performers were paid. Sports should be no different.And no North American sports team in the Big 4 has gone out of business since the NHL's Cleveland Barons in the mid 1970s.If a team cannot make money one market, move. if they cannot make money at all, shut down. If you root for a team that doesn't want to do much more than stay in business rather than win, you know that going into it. But the NBA is a special kind of stupid, paying serious contract millions to guys nobody would cross the street to watch play. And even during the playoffs all the sports media talks about is if this guy is signing with this team. The games are secondary.
    , @Jim Christian

    Few even know who the owners are. Can’t imagine why.
     
    Here in Boston, owner of Manchester United, John Henry, owns the Red Sox and Fenway Park. Robert Kraft owns the New England Patriots and the stadium Patriot Place. The Celtics and the Boston Bruins are a little murkier. A "group" owns them and it's a tough nut to crack to inquire as to who is on their boards. This is all private marketplace, they get to be as private as they wish.
    , @Russ

    Few even know who the owners are. Can’t imagine why.
     
    After NBA commissioner Silver punished L.A. NBA owner Sterling (ne' Tokowitz) for racism by forcing Tokowitz to sell his team for a record $2B to Ballmer, Atlanta NBA owner Levenson ratted himself out for having sent a "racist" email. One rarely encounters such hilarity southwest of the Catskills.
  3. Does this project involve discussing any of the white people who lived in probably more horrible conditions of slavery or not?

    • Replies: @dearieme
    Are you a Kentish Fool or a Fool of Kent?
    , @Forbes
    The audience who pay for the tickets and cable fees that fund players' multi-million dollar salaries surely live in more horrible conditions than the players.

    Maybe a discussion of income inequality is in order...
    , @bored identity
    If once upon a time in America, Maurice Podoloff, Jewish Ice Rink Master, hadn't figured out a novel way to charge idiotic huwhite audiences year round, LeBron today would be yet another 300 lb bouncer - this time dealing dope to his huwhite idiotic customers in some Akron bar chaired by some triple parenthetical Hookah Bar Governer.


    bored identity strongly believes that the world would certainly be a better place without Organized Sports - a subversive concept first protocolised at the dawn of the 20th century.
  4. Evidently an “owner” is not a “chairman”. That’s why there is no “shares chairmanship”.

    Well, at least the players are not called “pickers”. Which would be bad.

    But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619

    “1619” must appears at least once in each article. Bonus points for “the lexicon of 1619”.

    Just keep rolling!

    They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    • Replies: @Bill B.

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?
     
    No.
    , @Jim Christian

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?
     
    It is astounding to me that anyone can sit through it. It's actually WORSE than NASCAR because at least NASCAR is doing 200MPH. The NBA? I'd sooner watch National Geo re-runs, Sub Saharan-African series. These basketball players are descended from the people who used to have to chase down their dinner every night after all. Some of these guys they're bringing in now actually DID chase down their dinner, pre-NBA.

    I'm not knocking that because that would be racist. Everyone has to chase down their dinner somehow.

    Oh, and that train, number 1916?
    https://i.imgur.com/u7j8lKO.jpg

    Blacks didn't build that.

    , @Neoconned
    I never got the ill impression the basketball sport was huge outside the USA. A LITTLE bit in China and Europe but that's it.

    Steve posted an article here back during the Donald Sterling crap about how 40% of NBA viewers were black men over age 40.....not good demographics for the NBA....
    , @Jack D

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?
     
    Oh yes they are. When I was in China, if I told people I was from Philadelphia, they would immediately respond (in Chinese) "76ers!"


    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-soak-insane-atmosphere-during-arrival-nba-china-games

    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-grateful-support-china-they-return-home-regular-season

    There are 300,000,000 people in China who PLAY basketball, of which approximately 299,999,995 play it worse than any NBA player, so the Chinese really appreciate seeing the real masters show them how its done.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Well, at least the players are not called “pickers”. Which would be bad.
     
    How about "haircroppers"?


    https://media.gq.com/photos/56bd145b63efb0fb31652444/master/pass/nba-hair.png
    , @Escher

    Well, at least the players are not called “pickers”. Which would be bad.
     
    Pickers and high rollers.
    When will the campaign to rename the senate “whip” be kicked off?
    , @Russ
    8

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?
     
    Well, Toronto did win the latest NBA championship, but since Toronto aspires to be a U.S. inner city, your point stands. The victory celebration was supposed to underscore diversity, diversity, and diversity. Four were shot. By contrast, St. Louis (a suburb of Ferguson, MO) won the latest NHL championship, whereupon the overwhelmingly white fan base celebrated that all-white team without incident (save for some spectacularly blissful public drunkenness by several victorious players).
    , @Hibernian
    The NBL merged with the BBA to form the NBA in the late '40s. I know, it's a typo.
  5. This stark divide, and the familiar questions it raises about white people overseeing the toil of African-Americans, adds a layer of tension that ripples just beneath the glamour of the N.B.A. Much of what transpires in the league can be seen through the lens of race, especially this summer, when players upended the usual power dynamics by forcing a flurry of trades and transformational free-agent signings.

    Or, as Nick DiPaolo put it,

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Forbes

    Much of what transpires in the league can be seen through the lens of race, especially this summer, when players upended the usual power dynamics by forcing a flurry of trades and transformational free-agent signings.
     
    It's about the benjamins. Money is power, winning is prestige. What's race got to do with it...
    , @Sam Haysom
    Or to quote another one of his jokes “anyone who claims they haven’t used the n word has never bet a grand on an NBA game.”
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Gotta love the @NBA A league where the teams line ups depend on what brothers hung out with what brothers at what titty bars in the off-season
     
    They're fine with 'players.' They like being called 'players.'
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Gotta love the @NBA A league where the teams line ups depend on what brothers hung out with what brothers at what titty bars in the off-season.
     
    Shep Messing of the New York Cosmos was asked decades later if the team's European stars looked down on the three token Americans.

    Ha! He said they were the most popular guys on the squad. They knew where all the hot night spots were.
  6. How about “overseer”? Don’t some schools and other non-profit organizations use that term?

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @slumber_j

    How about “overseer”? Don’t some schools and other non-profit organizations use that term?
     
    There's Harvard's Board of Overseers, for example.

    My late grandfather-in-law was a Harvard Overseer. But don't worry: we've Cancelled him.
    , @guest
    I was thinking we could go with one of Bill Murray's characters from SNL: the Whipmaster.

    https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.g0lWjeeunXTzpeD-UIFN-gHaEC&pid=Api&dpr=1.5

  7. Get rid of the term owner. I like overseer much better. Pretend that the real owner is behind a curtain, Wizard of Oz style. It would be great if a major accounting firm looked at the books of these overseers. +Did you see how GE went down 14% the other day because Markopolos called them on their fake accounting. The game in major sports team ownership is asset appreciation, not mad profits. Same for football and béisbol

    • Replies: @JimB
    I think the NBA owners should be required to dress like Colonel Sanders when attending games. Blacks love KFC and Colonel Sanders, for reasons a SJW could never understand.
  8. I still refuse to believe this is real. I can’t. This all started with certain titles in universities. Where the titles in question had ‘master’ in them. Now that was obviously insane, but at least ‘master’ is what slave owners were called a little more specifically even if only an insane person would say that was the words typical or only meaning. But ‘owner’ being a racist word for the owner of something?!

    Props to Jewish academics, they’ve managed to channel SJW activism towards this while evading the very real racism, colonialism, police brutality and general murder that Israel does that it couldn’t get away with without the sycophantic support of the US government and media. It’s actually impressive.

    • Replies: @bored identity



    Props to Jewish academics, they’ve managed to channel SJW activism towards this while evading the very real racism, colonialism, police brutality and general murder that Israel does that it couldn’t get away with without the sycophantic support of the US government and media.

    It’s actually impressive.

     

    Having Tdzak D to admit the same would be even more impressive.
    , @J.Ross
    Not only is it real, but we're not really fighting it in any way.
  9. Off topic, but thought this was interesting re “the Harvard Number”.
    Wexner Family Charitable Fund gives 7,000,000 to Harvard as reported on its 2015 filing.
    One David Wexner of New Albany Ohio is a freshman in 2016.

    I don’t know, maybe they would have taken the kid either way, given his rowing ability and what not. But, that number is in line with your friend’s bemoaning of the hedge fund guys running the number up to 5,000,000 in 2010.

    https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/311318013/2017_01_PF%2F31-1318013_990PF_201512
    https://www.gocrimson.com/sports/mcrew-lw/2017-18/bios/wexner_david_7lcr?view=bio

    • Replies: @Anon
    Thanks for this.. It's going to do the rounds during my next few parents' get together. "Harvard Number" is something I can use.
    , @slumber_j
    His sister Sarah too, btw. But yeah: if you're crushing varsity crew even at the lightweight level, Harvard likes you a whole lot.
  10. “The word ‘owner,’” Green said, “it dates back to slavery.”

    Even further than that, as it happens. I know, I know, a university degree doesn’t go far these days.

    His remedy? “Maybe use the word ‘chairman’ instead.”

    Listen to this sexist. We got rid of ‘chairman’ decades ago, fool. Educate your elongated ass.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Instead of Chairman, I suggest Kang, Chief or Big Man. These are all concepts that are compatible with African culture.

    What they are dancing around here is really the Zimbabwe problem - it's not that the players are mostly black, it's that the owners are white. If they could replace the white owners with blacks then we wouldn't have to worry about what to call them. They could call them Baas no problem as long as the owners were black.

    But they are really afraid to hit this head on, because realistically there are very few blacks that have the BILLIONS needed to buy an NBA team nowadays. Even super rich NBA players don't have billions.
  11. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    How come the general manager and the head coach of the Hornets are white? Michael, my man, walk the talk. Hire an all black executive team. There are some black Nike alumni with sports business experience looking for work. The Hornets need a diversity and inclusion VP, stat. An all black front office. An all black back office. A black accounting office and VP finance. An all black coaching staff.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
    "My man"? What is this, 1970? An episode of "Room 222"?
    , @JMcG
    Exactly. A black news anchor in New Orleans was killed in a plane crash the other day. She was doing one of those local interest stories and went up in a Pitts aerobatic plane.
    I had to check the Daily Mail, but sure enough, the pilot was black.
    I don’t know what I’ll do when the Daily Mail becomes the Daily Malian.
  12. Some of the comments on that article are truly nutty.

    I have always found many aspects of sports reminiscent of slavery. One particular event that bothers me in football is the combine. Nearly naked mostly black bodies being weighed and measured, their physical specifications analyzed and compared. They stand there in full public view as each body part is peered over, compared and contrasted against the rest. They run, jump, throw, and zig zag about for a further breakdown of who is the best physical specimen for the money. If that is not an slave auction block then you have never read a history book.

    My white husband thinks nothing of the word owner in sports. At the risk of (again) sounding “too sensitive” in his opinion, I did express that I had a problem with it. You can argue all you want that it merely means they own the team and not the players. I can promise you that all of those old rich white men consider themselves as owners of the players. The only thing that can separate their little club from the rest of the mere filthy rich is the notion of owning their very own black men.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Analysis of language as opposed to analysis of reality is the sign of a problematic mind.

    It's like making efforts of being in a Matrix-style virtual reality 24/7. And reading blogposts by Agent Smith telling you exactly what to appreciate.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    If that is not an slave auction block then you have never read a history book.
     
    I might think that comment was someone trolling them. But the NYT comment section seems to be entirely humor-free.
    , @Bugg
    As parent of D2 football player, the combine is simply the last step to the top rung. Their own high schools do all that every summer starting Day 1 freshman year. And promising football players from the time they get picked out as prospects as early as sophomore year of high school go to camps run by colleges. And that's multiple time every summer until they pick a college. There have been a number of time where an NFL team relied too much on combine stats rather than football ability. Tom Brady, for example, did not have a good combine, spare the mental tests. Dan Marino pretty much blew off the same tests(also had issues with partying hard, it was the 1980s). And sometimes teams stupidly think a good combine by a workout warrior makes up for a lack of real football talent, like the Eagles taking Boston College's LB Mike Mamula, the Jets taking Ohio State's LB Vernon Gholston, or the Packers taking Michigan State roidhead OT Tony Mandarich. And by the way,every player goes through it, not just the black guys.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Yeah, that NYT comment is actually on the mark. The only difference between the NFL combine and a slave auction is that the NFL draft is not literally an auction.
  13. If the word “owner” and the white/black divide of executives/players is so triggering, why not call for the sport to go the way of the Grid Girls? Shut the whole enterprise down.

  14. @Kent Nationalist
    Does this project involve discussing any of the white people who lived in probably more horrible conditions of slavery or not?

    Are you a Kentish Fool or a Fool of Kent?

  15. They should refer to owners as moguls. Black people like the word mogul. It’s cooler than owner and reminds them of Dr. Dre, Oprah, the jewish people from shark tank, or the guy from the sham-wow commercial. Changing the title of owner would go a long way towards mitigating player anger. They would no longer look at ownership and fail to see their own reflections. If this somehow doesn’t work we could try replacing all nba team owners using this simple algorithm. Black man = true ; white man = false. We could start at the top with league commissioner Adam silver. He should be replaced by Alan Iverson. Players should no longer have to show up to practice if they don’t feel like it, they should be allowed to wear baggy gangster clothing during press conferences.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >the Jewish people from Shark Tank

    Kevin (may death and icy chaos smooth his path to prime ministership) is like pure Scottish and is actually typical of a now-forgotten, memory-holed Canadian archetype.
    ...
    The only other memorable Shark Tank guys are the Croat who likes cars, and Daymond.
  16. It’s time to nationalise all the sports teams and make the people the owners.

  17. @PiltdownMan
    Some of the comments on that article are truly nutty.

    I have always found many aspects of sports reminiscent of slavery. One particular event that bothers me in football is the combine. Nearly naked mostly black bodies being weighed and measured, their physical specifications analyzed and compared. They stand there in full public view as each body part is peered over, compared and contrasted against the rest. They run, jump, throw, and zig zag about for a further breakdown of who is the best physical specimen for the money. If that is not an slave auction block then you have never read a history book.

    My white husband thinks nothing of the word owner in sports. At the risk of (again) sounding "too sensitive" in his opinion, I did express that I had a problem with it. You can argue all you want that it merely means they own the team and not the players. I can promise you that all of those old rich white men consider themselves as owners of the players. The only thing that can separate their little club from the rest of the mere filthy rich is the notion of owning their very own black men.
     

    Analysis of language as opposed to analysis of reality is the sign of a problematic mind.

    It’s like making efforts of being in a Matrix-style virtual reality 24/7. And reading blogposts by Agent Smith telling you exactly what to appreciate.

  18. Didn’t they also have balls and baskets during slavery?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Didn’t they also have balls and baskets during slavery?
     
    The Arabs took away at least one of those.

    Thus, women slaves in the Arab world were often turned into concubines living in harems, and rarely as wives, their children becoming free. A large number of male slaves and young boys were castrated and turned into eunuchs who kept watch over the harems. Castration was a particularly brutal operation with a survival rate of only 10%.

    Recalling Africa’s harrowing tale of its first slavers – The Arabs – as UK Slave Trade Abolition is commemorated
     

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds_J_VFXgAA18Cv.jpg
  19. Nice to see the Times got a guy with street cred to write the story: a tennis player from Cal Berkeley…

    That said, I think the players should embrace the past, not try to erase it. I recommend “Massa” for the owners and “Overseer” for the coaches.

  20. Is Slavery’s Legacy in the Power Dynamics of Sports?

    It sure is… from (((Judah P. Benjamin))) to (((Adam Silver))), the legacy continues…

  21. which sounds like a parody I wrote

    Exactly what I thought!

    Their bubble has drifted so far away they quite literally don’t see the distance between themselves and most Americans.

    But, then, of course, those Americans are all just deplorable bitter clingers, so they should just shut and die. Quickly, please.

    What I think is hilarious is that this whole movement, from an objective POV, looks exactly like what a racist white supremacist evil genius would devise to promote his ideology.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  22. The NBA is exactly like slavery. I mean . . . except for the part where you get paid millions of dollars for playing a game.

    Aside from the cringy stupidity of the whole thesis, this article is seriously written at about a high school newspaper level at best.

    Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America.

    Really? Jump shots and dunks are “monuments”? And my ninth grade teacher would have written “cliche” in red pencil next to “heart-pounding drama.”

    The NYT is not sending its best on this “everything is slavery” series.

    • Replies: @Silva
    Fantastically rewarded slaves have existed - though not in the West.
    , @skedaddle
    I'm not sure teachers are allowed to use red anymore, it's such an aggressive color, you know. But at least the writer admits that jump shots and dunks are considered gleaming monuments of black achievement. Nothing like those gleaming white achievements of a polio vaccine, moon landing, flush toilets, electricity and way, way down the list, the game of basketball.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Quite to the contrary, Mr. Toad, I think NBA basketball is a lot like slavery. It should be ended the same way. It will take a strong leader, basically a tyrant, again - who will be our Mr. Lincoln to lead the teams into war with each other to end this moral travesty? Perhaps after the Hornets fire that first 3-point shot against some Northern team, the various teams of the North can route the South in a series of overtime battles, such as the 3rd Battle of Bull Run, in Chicago this time.

    ... I would go on a lot longer with this theme, if I knew more about, and gave more of a shit about, basketball ... *

    .

    * Perhaps I should leave this to Reg Caesar. Mr. Derbyshire has gotten into the history of the War of Northern Aggression lately, but I'm not sure about basketball.
    , @Alfa158
    The NYT, as Steve repeatedly demonstrates by quoting its content, no longer has a best. Entrenched mediocrities is pretty much all they got, and getting first pick in the journalism school draft isn’t going to improve things.
  23. @PiltdownMan
    Some of the comments on that article are truly nutty.

    I have always found many aspects of sports reminiscent of slavery. One particular event that bothers me in football is the combine. Nearly naked mostly black bodies being weighed and measured, their physical specifications analyzed and compared. They stand there in full public view as each body part is peered over, compared and contrasted against the rest. They run, jump, throw, and zig zag about for a further breakdown of who is the best physical specimen for the money. If that is not an slave auction block then you have never read a history book.

    My white husband thinks nothing of the word owner in sports. At the risk of (again) sounding "too sensitive" in his opinion, I did express that I had a problem with it. You can argue all you want that it merely means they own the team and not the players. I can promise you that all of those old rich white men consider themselves as owners of the players. The only thing that can separate their little club from the rest of the mere filthy rich is the notion of owning their very own black men.
     

    If that is not an slave auction block then you have never read a history book.

    I might think that comment was someone trolling them. But the NYT comment section seems to be entirely humor-free.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Laughter is the work of the devil and of anti-depatriarchialists.

    The revolution: Serious Business.
  24. Fighting the legacy of slavery ….kinda like fighting that octopus in Ed Wood’s bride of the monster……it don’t fight back.

  25. @Hypnotoad666

    If that is not an slave auction block then you have never read a history book.
     
    I might think that comment was someone trolling them. But the NYT comment section seems to be entirely humor-free.

    Laughter is the work of the devil and of anti-depatriarchialists.

    The revolution: Serious Business.

  26. All professional sports are “gleaming monuments” to American (and Canadian in the case of basketball) Anglo-Saxon civilization which brought forth each one and sustains the legal and financial structure whereby everybody gets paid. Africans, whether in the U.S. or elsewhere, haven’t come up with a single sporting enterprise, not one.

  27. • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    Yes to what Mr Yang said. I've recognized this for some time. The window in which manipulatable white liberals are the gatekeepers of money and undeserved privilege is rapidly closing. An America dominated by Mexicans, Chinese, Armenians, Russians, Koreans, Persians etc etc will not give one-half of a sh*t about the grievances of blacks.
  28. Yes, “owner” is awful. Let’s use “master” instead.

  29. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    So, what are you white guys going to do to win the identity politics discourse?

    I’m not American. I see the appalling madness. Yet reading Sailer I don’t get ANY ideas about what to do or how to speak to advance your cause. Or any good cause. It’s all aw-shucks-I-white-and-smart-and-notice-everything. And notice. And comment. And notice again. It’s plain depressing! Your ancestors did better.

    On what values and language and life do you build a community?!? tip: there’s no such thing as “white values”. It’s an historically empty category.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Right now life is still too good for whites, even the Noticers on the Dissident Right to do anything.

    Why risk your comfy, well paying job on some DR thing.

    Also, alot of whites are in pretty depressing shape, especially with the Appalachian tendency towards pills. Alot of whites are obese, or tatted, or both.

    I honestly don't know what the solution is. Clearly a growing number of people are "noticing" but it is not translating into anything. We expect some political savior to come and save us (opposite attitude of the founders).

    I don't know, man. Shit is fucked, as we say in French. I just educate myself, work out, and improve every day. I don't really know what else to do.
  30. @El Dato
    Evidently an "owner" is not a "chairman". That's why there is no "shares chairmanship".

    Well, at least the players are not called "pickers". Which would be bad.

    But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619
     
    "1619" must appears at least once in each article. Bonus points for "the lexicon of 1619".

    Just keep rolling!

    https://i.imgur.com/u7j8lKO.jpg

    They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.
     
    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    No.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    Filipinos are interested in basketball
  31. The new owner of the Brooklyn Nets is Asian

  32. My solution to the NBA=slavery scandal:

    1) Owners be called Guardian Fairy.

    2) Racial quotas in line with national demographics be introduced so that black players don’t feel intimidated by slave flashbacks.

  33. NBA = World Star, except not as well produced.

  34. Do the white players get a 1607 project to support their cause? Guaranteed 4 to 7 year contracts?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    As long as there are penalties that enable the team to control them until the day they die. Getting drunk, 3 years per incident; sick days, for every day sick, 2 weeks to the contract; performance penalties; etc..
  35. I have a better idea: proportional racial representation on sports teams. It has worked so well in academia and government employment.

    If only 13% of the players were Black, there wouldn’t be a slavery stigma for “owners.”

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    If only 13% of the players were Black, there wouldn’t be a slavery stigma for “owners.”
     
    And then the teams would "look like America." I've heard that's supposed to be a good thing.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I have a better idea: proportional racial representation on sports teams. It has worked so well in academia and government employment.

    If only 13% of the players were Black, there wouldn’t be a slavery stigma for “owners.”
     
    Better yet, return the teams to Syracuse, Rochester, Ft Wayne, Anderson, and Tri-Cities.

    I was going to suggest that Minnesota may be blacker today than California was when the Lakers left Minneapolis. But Minnesota is blacker than the California of today!


    http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/black-population/
  36. @Couch Scientist
    Off topic, but thought this was interesting re "the Harvard Number".
    Wexner Family Charitable Fund gives 7,000,000 to Harvard as reported on its 2015 filing.
    One David Wexner of New Albany Ohio is a freshman in 2016.

    I don't know, maybe they would have taken the kid either way, given his rowing ability and what not. But, that number is in line with your friend's bemoaning of the hedge fund guys running the number up to 5,000,000 in 2010.

    https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/311318013/2017_01_PF%2F31-1318013_990PF_201512
    https://www.gocrimson.com/sports/mcrew-lw/2017-18/bios/wexner_david_7lcr?view=bio

    Thanks for this.. It’s going to do the rounds during my next few parents’ get together. “Harvard Number” is something I can use.

    • Replies: @Couch Scientist
    I just think the government should do something so that we could all afford to pay seven million dollars to get our kids into the best school. The American Dream after all.
  37. The Colin Kapernick/Eric Reid/Draymond Green narrative is a good example of why reparations are an idiotic idea because no amount of money will ever entice people whose identity is built around resentment and grievance to abandon it if it gets the attention they want.

    These are guys who earn hundreds of times the amount the average joe does in a year, live a lifestyle 99.99% will never know, and still are unhappy. If we had reparations the payment to individuals would at best be in the tens of thousands, a sum that can be frittered away on a car lot in a matter of a few hours, and most recipients wouldn’t really have their lives altered in any way at all. The fact that millions of people were gifted a one-time jackpot would not permanently alter the feelings or character of the recipients and when it became apparent reparations solved nothing, we’d just get more calls for more of the same to ‘effect change.’

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Almost nobody in the reparations movement is talking seriously about a one time payment unless they are trying to hoodwink Whites into thinking they can get Black people off their backs with one payoff.
    Reparations would mean permanent cash subsidies, plus mandatory quotas in schools, hiring and promotions in private corporations and government positions, legislative seats, and criminal arrests, plus veto and censorship power in discussions about race in mass media.
    Oh wait, never mind, they already have all that.
    Please ignore this comment.
  38. I’m guessing t’s down mostly to the evil of Cotton Fitzsimmons. Gareth Bale plays soccer in Spain, so it’s not him.

    Anyhow, instead of “owners,” they could be called “Richburgs.”

    It kinda stylish, like icebergs of money or something, and it would honor Keith Richburg, author of Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa – “Talk to me about Africa’s legacy of European colonialism, and I’ll give you Malaysia and Singapore, ruled by the British and occupied by Japan during World War II. ”

    https://angrybearblog.com/2017/02/a-review-of-out-of-america-a-black-man-confronts-africa-by-keith-richburg.html

  39. The NBA is a racist organization not because its owners don’t “reflect” the demographics of the players, but because the players don’t reflect the demographics of America.

    It is such a common demand that our institutions “reflect” the demographics of the country. Where is the demand for affirmative action for the NBA, NFL and NHL?

    Whites, hispanics and asians must surely be discriminated against in these racist organizations. No justice, no peace!

  40. “The word ‘owner,’” Green said, “it dates back to slavery.”

    What does the word ‘moron’ date back to?

    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    LOL!
  41. I would contend that the word dates back to at least the 15th century, when an Englishman bought a loaf of bread at the local market.

  42. So when does it get revealed that all the “1619 project” writers are all actually Unz.com contributors?

  43. That reminds me of how South Park talked of the NCAA back in 2011.

  44. @Hhsiii
    They own the business, not the players, you morons.

    And, I think, in the specific meaning, since when every player was white.

  45. @EdwardM
    How about "overseer"? Don't some schools and other non-profit organizations use that term?

    How about “overseer”? Don’t some schools and other non-profit organizations use that term?

    There’s Harvard’s Board of Overseers, for example.

    My late grandfather-in-law was a Harvard Overseer. But don’t worry: we’ve Cancelled him.

  46. @Hypnotoad666
    The NBA is exactly like slavery. I mean . . . except for the part where you get paid millions of dollars for playing a game.

    Aside from the cringy stupidity of the whole thesis, this article is seriously written at about a high school newspaper level at best.

    Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America.
     
    Really? Jump shots and dunks are "monuments"? And my ninth grade teacher would have written "cliche" in red pencil next to "heart-pounding drama."

    The NYT is not sending its best on this "everything is slavery" series.

    Fantastically rewarded slaves have existed – though not in the West.

  47. I object to the term “player”, which reduces these men to the stereotype of sex crazed promiscuous sociopaths, when in fact many of them are in stable relationships with their wives and/or the mothers of their children.

    When you look at the list of owners – Wyc Grousbeck, Jerry Reinsdorf, Dan Gilbert, Mark Cuban (originally Chabenisky), Joe Lacob, Herbert Simon, Micky Arison, Marc Lasry, Joshua Harris, Larry Tanenbaum, Tony Ressler – let’s face it, that is a lot of white people.

  48. Spare us from dead tree newspapers and their odious guilt-tripping “projects”!

    The local is dusting off its annual series about how obese Indians from the rez have so much trouble adapting to College Life. I.e., reading, writing, math and science.

    This, after the U even built them a teepee-shaped Native American cultural center!

    Wth do they want? Btw these students get (free) Pell AND tribal grants.

  49. @Mr McKenna
    Every red-blooded male sports fan in the nation can recite the salaries of top ball players. Not one can quote the income of team owners. Few even know who the owners are. Can't imagine why.

    They can’t dunk.

  50. “In the N.B.A., the very term ‘owner’ has come under fire, as players, most of whom are black, assert self-determination.”

    If they had the courage of their convictions — and were not simply engaged in moral preening — they would quit their employment with the team owner. But they are too hypocritical and making too much money to do that.

  51. @Couch Scientist
    Off topic, but thought this was interesting re "the Harvard Number".
    Wexner Family Charitable Fund gives 7,000,000 to Harvard as reported on its 2015 filing.
    One David Wexner of New Albany Ohio is a freshman in 2016.

    I don't know, maybe they would have taken the kid either way, given his rowing ability and what not. But, that number is in line with your friend's bemoaning of the hedge fund guys running the number up to 5,000,000 in 2010.

    https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/311318013/2017_01_PF%2F31-1318013_990PF_201512
    https://www.gocrimson.com/sports/mcrew-lw/2017-18/bios/wexner_david_7lcr?view=bio

    His sister Sarah too, btw. But yeah: if you’re crushing varsity crew even at the lightweight level, Harvard likes you a whole lot.

    • Replies: @Couch Scientist
    The Wexner foundation had also given 100,000 to Westerville Crew that year. Presumably this was where young Wexner had rowed. He certainly wasnt going to lose for want of a better boat!
  52. @Hypnotoad666
    The NBA is exactly like slavery. I mean . . . except for the part where you get paid millions of dollars for playing a game.

    Aside from the cringy stupidity of the whole thesis, this article is seriously written at about a high school newspaper level at best.

    Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America.
     
    Really? Jump shots and dunks are "monuments"? And my ninth grade teacher would have written "cliche" in red pencil next to "heart-pounding drama."

    The NYT is not sending its best on this "everything is slavery" series.

    I’m not sure teachers are allowed to use red anymore, it’s such an aggressive color, you know. But at least the writer admits that jump shots and dunks are considered gleaming monuments of black achievement. Nothing like those gleaming white achievements of a polio vaccine, moon landing, flush toilets, electricity and way, way down the list, the game of basketball.

  53. If nothing else, Antoine Walker, Kenny Anderson and Allen Iverson taught us that well-paid basketball-Americans have issues with money and owning things. But that doesn’t make for a proper woke story. Draymond will probably be bankrupt too 5 years after he retires.

  54. I know the owner of a construction company who has a few black people working for him as unskilled laborers so that he can get government contracts. What should he be called?

    • Replies: @Paul
    Would contractor even be acceptable?
  55. This is not something totally new. These basketball players have something in common with our canine and feline friends too. Apparently, cats and dogs do not like having “owners” either, at least according to a bunch of signs we saw today in a big march by a group from People Eating Tasty Animals.*

    The cats have always taken us to be the slaves and themselves as the owners, but the dogs have been acting like a bunch of Uncle Toms. Those border collies especially have been running around on command like a bunch of 2nd-round draft NBA negroes.

    .

    * I had to get out there and yell “Prime Rib, NOW!” a few times before the wife got on me about it.

  56. Washed up Carmelo Anthony was paid roughly $30 million by 2 NBA teams to do nothing last season. That’s not slavery. And an example among why the NBA is a bad business proposition long term.

  57. There’s a very simple solution. To avoid the unpleasant overtones of “owner”, and also disparate impact, replace all black players with white players! No more racist plantation manned by a white owner.

  58. Let blacks run the NBA. I couldn’t care less. And give them weedparations, to boot. Also, give them all the gas stations and minimart concessions. They can sit behind a counter doing nothing just as well as Indians and Chinese.

  59. @Paul
    I know the owner of a construction company who has a few black people working for him as unskilled laborers so that he can get government contracts. What should he be called?

    Would contractor even be acceptable?

  60. English soccer teams traditionally referred to their owners as ‘the chairman’, but more recently the term owner seems to have come into vogue in the era when most of the owners are foreigners (i.e. not British).

    In this era of diversity top clubs sport owners who are Russian, Arab, Thai, Iranian, Egyptian and Chinese, but the largest group of owners are the Americans.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-richest-billionaire-premier-league-owners-2019-8#1-manchester-city-owner-sheikh-mansour-30-billion-12

    But just to clarify, they only own the clubs or the corporations that control the clubs, and the registrations of the players, which can be bought and sold, but do not bodily own the players. A player cannot be sold to another club without the consent of the player.

    Hence we have the current interesting situation of Welsh player Gareth Bale at Real Madrid, who has fallen out of favor with the team manager Zinedine Zidane who does not want to play him, and yet has a full three years to run on a contract that pays him something like $1/2 million per WEEK to stay home and play golf if he is not selected. Nice work if you can get it!

    https://www.ccn.com/zidane-headbutts-bale-out-which-one-is-the-real-madrid-legend/

    Bale does not object to going to another club, but is not willing to take a pay cut, and almost no club in the world can afford his salary.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    It's interesting and very good to hear that a manager can sit a high-paid, non-producing player.

    Peter Angelos, the majority "owner" of the Baltimore Orioles who also does not own the bodies of any players, has a very similar interesting situation with Chris "Crush" Davis who currently earns $21 million dollars a year (7 year, no-trade, guaranteed $161 million dollars with $42 million deferred between 2023 and 2037) for batting 0.176 (he batted 0.168 in 2018) and had to be physically restrained from going after the Orioles manager during a game last week.

    However, "Crush" still plays.

    Angelos should cut his losses and let "Crush" sit home and play golf as they would be a far better team without him. The excellent manager Buck Showalter turned the Orioles around for 5 competitive seasons above 0.500 between 2013 to 2017, but even he couldn't help the pathetic "owners" of the Orioles with their disastrous decisions.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    But just to clarify, they only own the clubs or the corporations that control the clubs, and the registrations of the players, which can be bought and sold, but do not bodily own the players. A player cannot be sold to another club without the consent of the player.
     
    Some of us figured this out back in the death throes of the "reserve clause" in baseball. The players weren't traded, their contracts were.

    Contracts that they had signed, to play a game for money.
  61. @Hypnotoad666
    The NBA is exactly like slavery. I mean . . . except for the part where you get paid millions of dollars for playing a game.

    Aside from the cringy stupidity of the whole thesis, this article is seriously written at about a high school newspaper level at best.

    Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America.
     
    Really? Jump shots and dunks are "monuments"? And my ninth grade teacher would have written "cliche" in red pencil next to "heart-pounding drama."

    The NYT is not sending its best on this "everything is slavery" series.

    Quite to the contrary, Mr. Toad, I think NBA basketball is a lot like slavery. It should be ended the same way. It will take a strong leader, basically a tyrant, again – who will be our Mr. Lincoln to lead the teams into war with each other to end this moral travesty? Perhaps after the Hornets fire that first 3-point shot against some Northern team, the various teams of the North can route the South in a series of overtime battles, such as the 3rd Battle of Bull Run, in Chicago this time.

    … I would go on a lot longer with this theme, if I knew more about, and gave more of a shit about, basketball … *

    .

    * Perhaps I should leave this to Reg Caesar. Mr. Derbyshire has gotten into the history of the War of Northern Aggression lately, but I’m not sure about basketball.

  62. @Mr McKenna
    Every red-blooded male sports fan in the nation can recite the salaries of top ball players. Not one can quote the income of team owners. Few even know who the owners are. Can't imagine why.

    I understand salary caps are a way for team owners to suppress players’ salaries . Professional sports is entertainment. Nobody goes to a concert nor a movie and much cares what the performers were paid. Sports should be no different.And no North American sports team in the Big 4 has gone out of business since the NHL’s Cleveland Barons in the mid 1970s.If a team cannot make money one market, move. if they cannot make money at all, shut down. If you root for a team that doesn’t want to do much more than stay in business rather than win, you know that going into it. But the NBA is a special kind of stupid, paying serious contract millions to guys nobody would cross the street to watch play. And even during the playoffs all the sports media talks about is if this guy is signing with this team. The games are secondary.

  63. The racism doesn’t end there. Basketball players appear on a ‘court’, which brings back painful memories of the time Atticus Finch had to defend OJ Simpson in another kind of ‘court’ after he was accused of smiling at a white lady.

    And let’s not even get started on black athletes who get ‘trials’ at clubs, or the fact that they are working on a field ‘overseen’ by white spectators. I mean, why not just put the fans on horseback with a whip in their hands and tell them to chew tobacco whilst they’re at it.

    And ‘Goal’ is just ‘gaol’ with the letters switched around to fool black bodies. Pool players use a white ball to hit red, yellow and finally black balls in a vile reminder of the genocide of the native Americans, the Chinese exclusion act and the slave trade.

  64. @Mr McKenna
    Every red-blooded male sports fan in the nation can recite the salaries of top ball players. Not one can quote the income of team owners. Few even know who the owners are. Can't imagine why.

    Few even know who the owners are. Can’t imagine why.

    Here in Boston, owner of Manchester United, John Henry, owns the Red Sox and Fenway Park. Robert Kraft owns the New England Patriots and the stadium Patriot Place. The Celtics and the Boston Bruins are a little murkier. A “group” owns them and it’s a tough nut to crack to inquire as to who is on their boards. This is all private marketplace, they get to be as private as they wish.

  65. So how long before President Harris gives the NBA to the players? A week after taking office?

    And how long before attending NBA games are mandatory for every White man.

  66. @El Dato
    Evidently an "owner" is not a "chairman". That's why there is no "shares chairmanship".

    Well, at least the players are not called "pickers". Which would be bad.

    But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619
     
    "1619" must appears at least once in each article. Bonus points for "the lexicon of 1619".

    Just keep rolling!

    https://i.imgur.com/u7j8lKO.jpg

    They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.
     
    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    It is astounding to me that anyone can sit through it. It’s actually WORSE than NASCAR because at least NASCAR is doing 200MPH. The NBA? I’d sooner watch National Geo re-runs, Sub Saharan-African series. These basketball players are descended from the people who used to have to chase down their dinner every night after all. Some of these guys they’re bringing in now actually DID chase down their dinner, pre-NBA.

    I’m not knocking that because that would be racist. Everyone has to chase down their dinner somehow.

    Oh, and that train, number 1916?
    Blacks didn’t build that.

  67. Stormzy the rapper has the right idea. Give special privileges to dindu students to go to Cambridge. Don’t sponsor anyone outside your race, which a White man would be taken to court for diacwiminaysgun for.

    No a crime-prone, low IQ race deffo needs the right to go to an institution they did nothing to create, so they can give their high IQ charitably & turn it into the paradise on earth that is contemporary Africa.

    They should just ban Stale Pale Males from owning anything: da brudsaz be the best. I know this because I have never set foot outside my door on my love fe, & see all the cool black, scientists drs & lawyers in ads. Surely the advertising (((rats))) can be trusted. Why I hear their IQ is even higher than Stormzy!!!!!!!!!!!

  68. @PiltdownMan
    Some of the comments on that article are truly nutty.

    I have always found many aspects of sports reminiscent of slavery. One particular event that bothers me in football is the combine. Nearly naked mostly black bodies being weighed and measured, their physical specifications analyzed and compared. They stand there in full public view as each body part is peered over, compared and contrasted against the rest. They run, jump, throw, and zig zag about for a further breakdown of who is the best physical specimen for the money. If that is not an slave auction block then you have never read a history book.

    My white husband thinks nothing of the word owner in sports. At the risk of (again) sounding "too sensitive" in his opinion, I did express that I had a problem with it. You can argue all you want that it merely means they own the team and not the players. I can promise you that all of those old rich white men consider themselves as owners of the players. The only thing that can separate their little club from the rest of the mere filthy rich is the notion of owning their very own black men.
     

    As parent of D2 football player, the combine is simply the last step to the top rung. Their own high schools do all that every summer starting Day 1 freshman year. And promising football players from the time they get picked out as prospects as early as sophomore year of high school go to camps run by colleges. And that’s multiple time every summer until they pick a college. There have been a number of time where an NFL team relied too much on combine stats rather than football ability. Tom Brady, for example, did not have a good combine, spare the mental tests. Dan Marino pretty much blew off the same tests(also had issues with partying hard, it was the 1980s). And sometimes teams stupidly think a good combine by a workout warrior makes up for a lack of real football talent, like the Eagles taking Boston College’s LB Mike Mamula, the Jets taking Ohio State’s LB Vernon Gholston, or the Packers taking Michigan State roidhead OT Tony Mandarich. And by the way,every player goes through it, not just the black guys.

  69. OT:

    Steve, this essay is not a good example of your First Law.

    It is your First Law.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/16/opinion/lizzo-kelly-mcgillis.html

  70. Let’s also not forget that basketball was invented by white people. Blacks are expropriating our culture and must be hated and punished for it.

  71. Why not just call the owners “club owners” and move on? Nah – makes too much sense. Dramond has gotta be angry about something.

  72. @Hypnotoad666
    The NBA is exactly like slavery. I mean . . . except for the part where you get paid millions of dollars for playing a game.

    Aside from the cringy stupidity of the whole thesis, this article is seriously written at about a high school newspaper level at best.

    Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America.
     
    Really? Jump shots and dunks are "monuments"? And my ninth grade teacher would have written "cliche" in red pencil next to "heart-pounding drama."

    The NYT is not sending its best on this "everything is slavery" series.

    The NYT, as Steve repeatedly demonstrates by quoting its content, no longer has a best. Entrenched mediocrities is pretty much all they got, and getting first pick in the journalism school draft isn’t going to improve things.

    • Agree: SimpleSong
  73. SMK says: • Website

    If not for slavery, viritually all of these dimwits, who revel in their bogus victimhood, wouldn’t be alive and earning millions and tens of millions of dollars a year playing a game invented by whites males -a game which blacks would never have invented. And so, too, with football and baseball. They owe their lives -and their fame and fortunes- to slavery. The legacy of slavery is an evil and scourge -for whites who live in a society with violent black criminals, and the likes of Al Sharpton, Calypso Louie and the Nation of Islam, Eric Holder, Michael Eric Dyson, Joy Reid, Don Lemon, ad nauseum.

  74. There is no other business like the N.B.A. Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America. Nearly 80 percent of league players are black. They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.

    If an activity that had been clearly invented by blacks was taken up by Whites and consumed White America, Whites would forever be told how they did not invent it, and that they owe blacks for providing them with their favorite pastime. Yet basketball, which was clearly invented by Whites within living memory no less, is never put through this truth process in which the current people enjoying this endeavor are told to be grateful for the others who invented it.

    They readily have the gumption to accuse Whites of cultural appropriation, yet never seem to be able to formulate those words when discussing basketball.

    Who, Whom…

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    Yeah, keep on talking about basketball whilst the black ladies conspire and laugh.
  75. @Altai
    I still refuse to believe this is real. I can't. This all started with certain titles in universities. Where the titles in question had 'master' in them. Now that was obviously insane, but at least 'master' is what slave owners were called a little more specifically even if only an insane person would say that was the words typical or only meaning. But 'owner' being a racist word for the owner of something?!

    Props to Jewish academics, they've managed to channel SJW activism towards this while evading the very real racism, colonialism, police brutality and general murder that Israel does that it couldn't get away with without the sycophantic support of the US government and media. It's actually impressive.

    Props to Jewish academics, they’ve managed to channel SJW activism towards this while evading the very real racism, colonialism, police brutality and general murder that Israel does that it couldn’t get away with without the sycophantic support of the US government and media.

    It’s actually impressive.

    Having Tdzak D to admit the same would be even more impressive.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Don't know about Jack, but I'd say this has gotten well out of the hands of Jewish academics at this points. Baquet's a POC. Just because you summoned the monster doesn't mean you know how to dismiss it.
    , @Jack D
    You got me. I admit it. I confess. There's no point in denying it any more. You've figured out our game. Us Tdzoos are clever but not as clever as you goyim who invented algebra and stuff while we were still trying to figure out what to do with eggs that were laid on Shabbos. This is a plot by us Tdzooos to distract you Goyim while we oppress the peace loving Gazans. Also while we have you distracted and on the defensive over whether to call NBA team owners "owners" or "chairmen" we are going to defile your luscious blond shiksa daughters. Because that's how we Tdzoos roll.
  76. @El Dato
    Evidently an "owner" is not a "chairman". That's why there is no "shares chairmanship".

    Well, at least the players are not called "pickers". Which would be bad.

    But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619
     
    "1619" must appears at least once in each article. Bonus points for "the lexicon of 1619".

    Just keep rolling!

    https://i.imgur.com/u7j8lKO.jpg

    They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.
     
    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    I never got the ill impression the basketball sport was huge outside the USA. A LITTLE bit in China and Europe but that’s it.

    Steve posted an article here back during the Donald Sterling crap about how 40% of NBA viewers were black men over age 40…..not good demographics for the NBA….

  77. Al Davis of the Oakland Raiders used to go by the title, “President of the General Partner”. Let’s give titles like that a try, that will clear up any confusion!

  78. @Arclight
    The Colin Kapernick/Eric Reid/Draymond Green narrative is a good example of why reparations are an idiotic idea because no amount of money will ever entice people whose identity is built around resentment and grievance to abandon it if it gets the attention they want.

    These are guys who earn hundreds of times the amount the average joe does in a year, live a lifestyle 99.99% will never know, and still are unhappy. If we had reparations the payment to individuals would at best be in the tens of thousands, a sum that can be frittered away on a car lot in a matter of a few hours, and most recipients wouldn't really have their lives altered in any way at all. The fact that millions of people were gifted a one-time jackpot would not permanently alter the feelings or character of the recipients and when it became apparent reparations solved nothing, we'd just get more calls for more of the same to 'effect change.'

    Almost nobody in the reparations movement is talking seriously about a one time payment unless they are trying to hoodwink Whites into thinking they can get Black people off their backs with one payoff.
    Reparations would mean permanent cash subsidies, plus mandatory quotas in schools, hiring and promotions in private corporations and government positions, legislative seats, and criminal arrests, plus veto and censorship power in discussions about race in mass media.
    Oh wait, never mind, they already have all that.
    Please ignore this comment.

    • Replies: @bucky
    The reparations movement is a classic high-low alliance.

    Who was the biggest reparations publication? The Atlantic with the 2014 Coates article.

    Coates himself coincidentally started his rise in 2008, with the election of Obama but also with the financial catastrophe.

    Reparations is not meant to be solved. It is a problem so big and complicated that by nature it cannot be solved. That is why it is perfect.

    It is a polarizing issue. The proponents get to speak with holy zeal. The opponents are alienated by it. It is the perfect issue to inspire voter turnout.

    It is perfectly akin to abortion. Seriously. The right has abortion to get the proles out to vote. The Left is forming around reparations. The people really running the show get what they want: libertarian economics from the right and LGBT cultural agenda from the left.
  79. @Clyde
    Get rid of the term owner. I like overseer much better. Pretend that the real owner is behind a curtain, Wizard of Oz style. It would be great if a major accounting firm looked at the books of these overseers. +Did you see how GE went down 14% the other day because Markopolos called them on their fake accounting. The game in major sports team ownership is asset appreciation, not mad profits. Same for football and béisbol

    I think the NBA owners should be required to dress like Colonel Sanders when attending games. Blacks love KFC and Colonel Sanders, for reasons a SJW could never understand.

  80. @Jonathan Mason
    English soccer teams traditionally referred to their owners as 'the chairman', but more recently the term owner seems to have come into vogue in the era when most of the owners are foreigners (i.e. not British).

    In this era of diversity top clubs sport owners who are Russian, Arab, Thai, Iranian, Egyptian and Chinese, but the largest group of owners are the Americans.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-richest-billionaire-premier-league-owners-2019-8#1-manchester-city-owner-sheikh-mansour-30-billion-12

    But just to clarify, they only own the clubs or the corporations that control the clubs, and the registrations of the players, which can be bought and sold, but do not bodily own the players. A player cannot be sold to another club without the consent of the player.

    Hence we have the current interesting situation of Welsh player Gareth Bale at Real Madrid, who has fallen out of favor with the team manager Zinedine Zidane who does not want to play him, and yet has a full three years to run on a contract that pays him something like $1/2 million per WEEK to stay home and play golf if he is not selected. Nice work if you can get it!

    https://www.ccn.com/zidane-headbutts-bale-out-which-one-is-the-real-madrid-legend/

    Bale does not object to going to another club, but is not willing to take a pay cut, and almost no club in the world can afford his salary.

    It’s interesting and very good to hear that a manager can sit a high-paid, non-producing player.

    Peter Angelos, the majority “owner” of the Baltimore Orioles who also does not own the bodies of any players, has a very similar interesting situation with Chris “Crush” Davis who currently earns $21 million dollars a year (7 year, no-trade, guaranteed $161 million dollars with $42 million deferred between 2023 and 2037) for batting 0.176 (he batted 0.168 in 2018) and had to be physically restrained from going after the Orioles manager during a game last week.

    However, “Crush” still plays.

    Angelos should cut his losses and let “Crush” sit home and play golf as they would be a far better team without him. The excellent manager Buck Showalter turned the Orioles around for 5 competitive seasons above 0.500 between 2013 to 2017, but even he couldn’t help the pathetic “owners” of the Orioles with their disastrous decisions.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    It’s interesting and very good to hear that a manager can sit a high-paid, non-producing player.
     
    Except that he's not. In his 6 years at Real Madrid Bale has scored over 100 goals and contributed many assists, and scored the winning goals in several crucial games, usually in a spectacular manner.

    The downside is that he is rather injury prone, doesn't get on with team mates, has refused, or been unable, to learn Spanish after living in Spain for 6 years, although he apparently very much enjoys living in Madrid, doesn't socialize with team mates as he prefers to go to bed early, and is nicknamed, derisively, "el golfer" by his team mates, as he seems to prefer golf to soccer.

    Anyway, with a net worth of over $120 million, and half a million a week coming in, he can afford to be a stay-at-home wage slave!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCvWSzJyHPk
  81. “… a black lady write about her hair …”

    Shoniqua and her weaves will seem like the good ole days if the new POC overclass achieve their goal of installing black female leadership for the coming Matriarchal Order. While we’ve been underestimating the black lady threat to Western Civilization, UCLA prof. Kimberle Crenshaw unleashed Intersectionality on our society, Goddess Oprah hijacked the minds of white women, and the rather Rubenesque Roxane Gay is leading the charge to center the American narrative on black bodies through the NYT’s 1619 Project.

    Wise Corvinus implores us to detect and notice patterns. Canny Counterinsurgency encourages us to compose a thesis with footnotes to consider the problem. Stoned SunBakedSuburb demands that we dig up the bones of the men who built our civilization in order to create an elixir that will strengthen us for the looming battle between light and black ladies.

  82. “The word ‘owner,’” Green said, “it dates back to slavery.”

    Uh, no:

    owner (n.)
    mid-14c., agent noun from own (v.).

  83. The owners ARE NOT “WHITE.” They are Jewish. They are only WHITE when they want to be.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  84. @istevefan

    There is no other business like the N.B.A. Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America. Nearly 80 percent of league players are black. They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.
     
    If an activity that had been clearly invented by blacks was taken up by Whites and consumed White America, Whites would forever be told how they did not invent it, and that they owe blacks for providing them with their favorite pastime. Yet basketball, which was clearly invented by Whites within living memory no less, is never put through this truth process in which the current people enjoying this endeavor are told to be grateful for the others who invented it.

    They readily have the gumption to accuse Whites of cultural appropriation, yet never seem to be able to formulate those words when discussing basketball.

    Who, Whom...

    Yeah, keep on talking about basketball whilst the black ladies conspire and laugh.

  85. Sure it is silly on some level but you know what else? I kind of don’t care. I don’t much care for professional sports on a whole. The whole Enterprise is rotten.

  86. His remedy? “Maybe use the word ‘chairman’ instead.”

  87. OT: Facial recognition technology is Techno-Racism!

    Willie Burton, a black member of the civilian Detroit Police Commission that oversees the department, noted Detroit’s population is 83% black and that made using the technology especially worrying.

    “This should be the last place police use the technology because it can’t identify one black man or woman to another,” he said. “Every black man with a beard looks alike to it. Every black man with a hoodie looks alike. This is techno-racism.”

    Congresswoman (and ‘PoC’) Rashida Tlaib, whose district includes parts of Detroit, recently introduced legislation that would prohibit its use at public housing.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/16/its-techno-racism-detroit-is-quietly-using-facial-recognition-to-make-arrests

    OT2: Fish Farmers now using facial recognition on salmon!

    See also The Racist History Behind Facial Recognition. No comments from fish, as far as I know.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    OT2: Fish Farmers now using facial recognition on salmon! https://futurism.com/the-byte/facial-recognition-fish
     
    Norway of course which is very hi-tech in salmon farming. They feed and raise their salmon so well that they are almost wild. Was in a gourmet grocery today and they had Norway salmon that called wild even though farmed. Norway was leading in salmon farming even 30+ years ago when I had some of their delicious farmed salmon at a New York restaurant. They were smallish and two per order, two were filling! The details on how they (Norway) are able to semi-wild farm salmon are on the internet.
  88. @Alfa158
    Almost nobody in the reparations movement is talking seriously about a one time payment unless they are trying to hoodwink Whites into thinking they can get Black people off their backs with one payoff.
    Reparations would mean permanent cash subsidies, plus mandatory quotas in schools, hiring and promotions in private corporations and government positions, legislative seats, and criminal arrests, plus veto and censorship power in discussions about race in mass media.
    Oh wait, never mind, they already have all that.
    Please ignore this comment.

    The reparations movement is a classic high-low alliance.

    Who was the biggest reparations publication? The Atlantic with the 2014 Coates article.

    Coates himself coincidentally started his rise in 2008, with the election of Obama but also with the financial catastrophe.

    Reparations is not meant to be solved. It is a problem so big and complicated that by nature it cannot be solved. That is why it is perfect.

    It is a polarizing issue. The proponents get to speak with holy zeal. The opponents are alienated by it. It is the perfect issue to inspire voter turnout.

    It is perfectly akin to abortion. Seriously. The right has abortion to get the proles out to vote. The Left is forming around reparations. The people really running the show get what they want: libertarian economics from the right and LGBT cultural agenda from the left.

    • Agree: Herbert West
  89. NYT: To Fight Legacy of Slavery, NBA Team Owners Shouldn’t be Called “Owners”

    I agree. In future, they should be called “overseers”, “bossmen”, or “masters”.

  90. I think the NBA owners should be at least 80% African American. Let the ownership look like the players. Same with the Coaches. Get rid of Steve Kerr and that jerk at the SA Spurs and hire some black guys.

  91. to istevefan-
    1. basketball has practically been reinvented with the not-so-subtle changing and bending of the rules to accomodate a more individualistic/athletic style over a team/play-oriented style… with slight exaggeration, the nba hoops involves a superstar dribble/driving while the other four players hang loose…
    2. what was a gradual erosion became a flood when they allowed palming, this effectively means the defender has no cue when the offensive player picks up their dribble and they are either going to pass or shoot… no more, they ‘pick up their dribble’ every other bounce, palming and holding the ball so long that a defender is neutralized…
    3. ‘superstar walks’ are such a joke they are openly groused about it… a regular nba journeyman gets a step and a half beyond what is supposed to be ‘traveling’; a second tier superstar gets 2 steps, and a top tier superstar gets 3 steps more… like i said, a joke, a travesty of ‘rules’, and a weird, inequitable issue of naked entitlement based on status… wait, wha ? ??
    4. defenders have become so hamstrung, they can perform perfect, no-touch defense running down the court with a fast breaking player, then, *whump*, the offensive player dips his shoulder into the defender, and 9 times out of 10 the defender is called for a ‘foul’ the offensive player instigated… more bs…
    5. yeah, the nba has some of the most incredible athletes on the planet; but as a sports fan, i rarely watch the pro game (a fair amount of college hoops) because it is so NOT a team sport, and also ‘who cares?’ about stupid, entitled, arrogant, spoiled, gypsy players, gypsy teams, and a season way too long and meaningless that really starts with the playoffs…

  92. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says:

    When society has conquered the basic ills, such as lack of food, shelter, clothing, etc., people start focusing on trivialities and blowing up about them like it’s the end of the world. This is where all that nonsense about microaggressions got its start. The fact that someone microaggressed you, is that person’s fault alone, not ‘society in general.’

  93. I think “Bossman” would be a reasonable compromise.

  94. In the N.B.A., the very term “owner” has come under fire, as players, most of whom are black, assert self-determination.

    Unlike real slaves with real owners, these modern prima donnas are free to walk off the plantation at any time.

    This stark divide, and the familiar questions it raises about white people overseeing the toil of African-Americans,

    Then make your own league. Given that 80% of the players are black, it wouldn’t be that hard to create their own league with their own rules, teams and financial relationships.

    Blacks bitching about the current structure of the NBA, given that they hold most of the cards when it comes to talent, is akin to 2nd Amendment types bitching about this nation being taken away from them. Both have the tools to effect what they want. Neither seems willing to use them.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    If....


    https://twitter.com/hieronymusjosef/status/1162774365748023297



    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1162232189158744064


    If black families were as rich as white ones, U.S. economy would be $1.5 trillion bigger



    https://cbsn.ws/2OZIejl

     

  95. This whole notion of having black men perform physical labor for white profit or to enhance white leisure is problematic. It must end.

    No more can we allow blacks to be paraded into the “arena”–the name itself evoking the dispatch of slaves as entertainment–to perform physical feats, often at the cost of injury to their black bodies, for the entertainment of whites.

    If white people want to watch sporting competitions, they should put their own white bodies in the arena for entertainment.

    Blacks can enjoy healthy sports competition amongst themselves. But white people must be banned as owners and spectators of black bodies.

    • LOL: Jonathan Mason
  96. old news. i thought NBA came to this official resolution 1 or 2 months ago.

    some chinese guy just paid 2.3 billion total to take 100% ownership of the Nets.

    this is total nonsense, even from a finance and math perspective. NBA teams are not worth 2 billion dollars. i know some of these 21st century rich guys have billions to burn, so they can afford to wildly overpay, but this is getting stupid.

    when Ballmer paid 2 billion for the Clippers, i said 1 of 2 things will happen. either everybody will agree that he paid $100,000 for a used Honda Civic, and that he wasted his money. Or, nonsense will set in, and everybody will then agree that used Honda Civics are indeed now worth $100,000, raising the market price of used Honda Civics to 6 figures.

    the latter happened. which is pure twaddle. suddenly even garbage NBA teams which lose money every year, had their values rise to 1 billion.

    NBA payrolls are also treading on a money losing, unsustainable television contract which ESPN made a few years ago, where ESPN way overpaid and can’t afford it, and that they’ll have to roll back next time. so paying average players 20 million a year will go away in the 2020s. it’s offensive to see garbage players making more in 1 year than recent hall of famers made in their entire career. we’re not talking about guys from 70 years ago. more like awesome players from 30 years ago, totally in the modern era, who might have got 20 million total. now some scrub that scores 12 points a game gets his entire career salary in one contract.

    baseball and football contracts make sense, at least mathematically and financially. these contracts make no sense. half of NBA teams still lose money.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    Some people are better situated to take advantage of negative interest rates than others.
    , @Barnard
    The pro leagues think they are going to see big growth from streaming services. The only thing that would hurt the franchise values is a true and significant dropoff in public interest. Even in that event, the NBA thinks they can make up for it through increasing interest in China. I don't know how that will work for them, but no one has been losing money buying an NBA team for awhile now.
  97. The NYT’s 1619 project to “reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are,”

    I thought this explanation of their 1619 project was good in really capturing–in clear language–how the minoritarian project has been propagandized in the US. Minoritarianism in microcosm.

    Of course how this whole effort has actually benefitted blacks? Led them to have better lives? Be more successful in modern industrial/service (i.e. white) economy? Uh …

    But that was never the point. The point we to tear down–“deconstruct”–white gentiles and their responsibility for and claim on the incredibly prosperous and free nation they built in America

  98. Chairman would have to be Chairperson. What the owners own is a Franchise. They could be the Franchisee. Perhaps out of respect for the founders the owners could be called Master.

  99. According to recent news stories, rap impresario Jay-Z is now an NFL owner.

    https://www.theroot.com/jay-z-reportedly-to-get-majority-ownership-in-nfl-team-1837328603/amp

    I tell you, black people in this country just can’t catch a break. Just as a successful black man actually becomes an NFL owner, you can’t call them owners.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    This is especially poignant when you realize that the first person in America to be a slave owner - as recognized by a civil court in 1654 - was a black man named Anthony Johnson.
  100. Under the system of slavery white owners and slavemasters shagged the black wives and daughters of their black male slaves, and broke up their families willy-nilly for any random stupid reason.

    Under the sportsball system black men shag the white wives, girlfriends, and daughters of the white owners and fans and break up their own families for random, stupid reasons mostly because they think more with their penises than with their brains.

    So yeah, exactly the same.

  101. Each NBA team should just refer to its team owner as the Man.

    There is no other business like the N.B.A. Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America. Nearly 80 percent of league players are black.

    We need to get the EEOC on the NBA right now!

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks..."

    How much do you want to bet that the bozo who penned this twaddle sat back a moment, re-read it back to himself in his head, smiled and thought, Now THAT's some fiiiine writing. Man, I am another Langston Hughes!

    Rim-rattling dunks. Really. Giggle.
    , @Thirdtwin
    I think the EEOC is 80% black, too.
  102. The day the NYT officially went full retard.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Evergreen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q
  103. @Kent Nationalist
    Does this project involve discussing any of the white people who lived in probably more horrible conditions of slavery or not?

    The audience who pay for the tickets and cable fees that fund players’ multi-million dollar salaries surely live in more horrible conditions than the players.

    Maybe a discussion of income inequality is in order…

  104. @Altai
    I still refuse to believe this is real. I can't. This all started with certain titles in universities. Where the titles in question had 'master' in them. Now that was obviously insane, but at least 'master' is what slave owners were called a little more specifically even if only an insane person would say that was the words typical or only meaning. But 'owner' being a racist word for the owner of something?!

    Props to Jewish academics, they've managed to channel SJW activism towards this while evading the very real racism, colonialism, police brutality and general murder that Israel does that it couldn't get away with without the sycophantic support of the US government and media. It's actually impressive.

    Not only is it real, but we’re not really fighting it in any way.

  105. @Dave Pinsen

    This stark divide, and the familiar questions it raises about white people overseeing the toil of African-Americans, adds a layer of tension that ripples just beneath the glamour of the N.B.A. Much of what transpires in the league can be seen through the lens of race, especially this summer, when players upended the usual power dynamics by forcing a flurry of trades and transformational free-agent signings.
     
    Or, as Nick DiPaolo put it,

    https://twitter.com/nickdipaolo/status/1154160905233604610?s=21

    Much of what transpires in the league can be seen through the lens of race, especially this summer, when players upended the usual power dynamics by forcing a flurry of trades and transformational free-agent signings.

    It’s about the benjamins. Money is power, winning is prestige. What’s race got to do with it…

  106. Upteenth reminder that Donald Sterling would never have gotten into any trouble if he actually was a racist.
    Sterling had a girlfriend who was
    >black
    >promiscuous
    (both of which he was cool with)
    >but also rubbing his nose in his cuckhood.
    His unforgivable sin was asking his black girlfriend to cheat on him less publicly.

  107. A few years ago I counted noses in sports team ownership. A strange pattern emerged. https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=7805

  108. @Anon7
    OT: Facial recognition technology is Techno-Racism!


    Willie Burton, a black member of the civilian Detroit Police Commission that oversees the department, noted Detroit’s population is 83% black and that made using the technology especially worrying.

    “This should be the last place police use the technology because it can’t identify one black man or woman to another,” he said. “Every black man with a beard looks alike to it. Every black man with a hoodie looks alike. This is techno-racism.”

    Congresswoman (and 'PoC') Rashida Tlaib, whose district includes parts of Detroit, recently introduced legislation that would prohibit its use at public housing.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/16/its-techno-racism-detroit-is-quietly-using-facial-recognition-to-make-arrests
     
    OT2: Fish Farmers now using facial recognition on salmon!

    See also The Racist History Behind Facial Recognition. No comments from fish, as far as I know.

    OT2: Fish Farmers now using facial recognition on salmon! https://futurism.com/the-byte/facial-recognition-fish

    Norway of course which is very hi-tech in salmon farming. They feed and raise their salmon so well that they are almost wild. Was in a gourmet grocery today and they had Norway salmon that called wild even though farmed. Norway was leading in salmon farming even 30+ years ago when I had some of their delicious farmed salmon at a New York restaurant. They were smallish and two per order, two were filling! The details on how they (Norway) are able to semi-wild farm salmon are on the internet.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I've never seen a salmon that was small enough that you could eat two whole fish (unless they were harvesting immature fish). Farm raised salmon are usually harvested at around 8 to 10 lbs. You lose a little for the guts, etc. but there's no way you could eat two of them or even one.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Norway was leading in salmon farming even 30+ years ago...
     
    Do they use silos?


    https://www.buwatec.com/fish-silo/

    Dairy Farmer's Silos Now Filled With Fish

    The Future of Fish Farming May Be Indoors

    The island camp that Anders Breivik attacked was essentially a human fish silo. They were farming Social Democrats.

    , @J.Ross
    As I understand it the argument against farmed salmon is really a long-term, meddling in god's domain sort of thing.
  109. @Dave Pinsen

    This stark divide, and the familiar questions it raises about white people overseeing the toil of African-Americans, adds a layer of tension that ripples just beneath the glamour of the N.B.A. Much of what transpires in the league can be seen through the lens of race, especially this summer, when players upended the usual power dynamics by forcing a flurry of trades and transformational free-agent signings.
     
    Or, as Nick DiPaolo put it,

    https://twitter.com/nickdipaolo/status/1154160905233604610?s=21

    Or to quote another one of his jokes “anyone who claims they haven’t used the n word has never bet a grand on an NBA game.”

  110. The NBA is a fascinating league from a business perspective. It is a black league, not only are the vast majority of the players black but about 40% of its fans are black. Yet none of this has prevented the league from making loads of cash and growing internationally.

    Basketball has replaced baseball as America’s second sport and is probably behind soccer in terms of international team sports.

  111. @prime noticer
    old news. i thought NBA came to this official resolution 1 or 2 months ago.

    some chinese guy just paid 2.3 billion total to take 100% ownership of the Nets.

    this is total nonsense, even from a finance and math perspective. NBA teams are not worth 2 billion dollars. i know some of these 21st century rich guys have billions to burn, so they can afford to wildly overpay, but this is getting stupid.

    when Ballmer paid 2 billion for the Clippers, i said 1 of 2 things will happen. either everybody will agree that he paid $100,000 for a used Honda Civic, and that he wasted his money. Or, nonsense will set in, and everybody will then agree that used Honda Civics are indeed now worth $100,000, raising the market price of used Honda Civics to 6 figures.

    the latter happened. which is pure twaddle. suddenly even garbage NBA teams which lose money every year, had their values rise to 1 billion.

    NBA payrolls are also treading on a money losing, unsustainable television contract which ESPN made a few years ago, where ESPN way overpaid and can't afford it, and that they'll have to roll back next time. so paying average players 20 million a year will go away in the 2020s. it's offensive to see garbage players making more in 1 year than recent hall of famers made in their entire career. we're not talking about guys from 70 years ago. more like awesome players from 30 years ago, totally in the modern era, who might have got 20 million total. now some scrub that scores 12 points a game gets his entire career salary in one contract.

    baseball and football contracts make sense, at least mathematically and financially. these contracts make no sense. half of NBA teams still lose money.

    Some people are better situated to take advantage of negative interest rates than others.

  112. @El Dato
    Evidently an "owner" is not a "chairman". That's why there is no "shares chairmanship".

    Well, at least the players are not called "pickers". Which would be bad.

    But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619
     
    "1619" must appears at least once in each article. Bonus points for "the lexicon of 1619".

    Just keep rolling!

    https://i.imgur.com/u7j8lKO.jpg

    They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.
     
    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    Oh yes they are. When I was in China, if I told people I was from Philadelphia, they would immediately respond (in Chinese) “76ers!”

    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-soak-insane-atmosphere-during-arrival-nba-china-games

    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-grateful-support-china-they-return-home-regular-season

    There are 300,000,000 people in China who PLAY basketball, of which approximately 299,999,995 play it worse than any NBA player, so the Chinese really appreciate seeing the real masters show them how its done.

  113. Maybe keep the word owner and just field all white basketball teams so as not to offend anyone?

  114. @Clyde

    OT2: Fish Farmers now using facial recognition on salmon! https://futurism.com/the-byte/facial-recognition-fish
     
    Norway of course which is very hi-tech in salmon farming. They feed and raise their salmon so well that they are almost wild. Was in a gourmet grocery today and they had Norway salmon that called wild even though farmed. Norway was leading in salmon farming even 30+ years ago when I had some of their delicious farmed salmon at a New York restaurant. They were smallish and two per order, two were filling! The details on how they (Norway) are able to semi-wild farm salmon are on the internet.

    I’ve never seen a salmon that was small enough that you could eat two whole fish (unless they were harvesting immature fish). Farm raised salmon are usually harvested at around 8 to 10 lbs. You lose a little for the guts, etc. but there’s no way you could eat two of them or even one.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Jack...This was back in 1983 so this was a different farmed Norwegian salmon situation. Eaten at about 14th street or so. I was in town because a relative had serious medical problems so i know the year. Each salmon was the size of a good size mackerel
    The salmon was deliciously memorable so I remember.
    Salmon and tuna are the ultimate fish. Tuna sushi and sashimi is what I like....all others are marketing and ornaments (aka commentary) to get the female sushi hounds excited.
  115. @Pericles

    “The word ‘owner,’” Green said, “it dates back to slavery.”

     

    Even further than that, as it happens. I know, I know, a university degree doesn't go far these days.

    His remedy? “Maybe use the word ‘chairman’ instead.”

     

    Listen to this sexist. We got rid of 'chairman' decades ago, fool. Educate your elongated ass.

    Instead of Chairman, I suggest Kang, Chief or Big Man. These are all concepts that are compatible with African culture.

    What they are dancing around here is really the Zimbabwe problem – it’s not that the players are mostly black, it’s that the owners are white. If they could replace the white owners with blacks then we wouldn’t have to worry about what to call them. They could call them Baas no problem as long as the owners were black.

    But they are really afraid to hit this head on, because realistically there are very few blacks that have the BILLIONS needed to buy an NBA team nowadays. Even super rich NBA players don’t have billions.

  116. @Dave Pinsen

    This stark divide, and the familiar questions it raises about white people overseeing the toil of African-Americans, adds a layer of tension that ripples just beneath the glamour of the N.B.A. Much of what transpires in the league can be seen through the lens of race, especially this summer, when players upended the usual power dynamics by forcing a flurry of trades and transformational free-agent signings.
     
    Or, as Nick DiPaolo put it,

    https://twitter.com/nickdipaolo/status/1154160905233604610?s=21

    Gotta love the @NBA A league where the teams line ups depend on what brothers hung out with what brothers at what titty bars in the off-season

    They’re fine with ‘players.’ They like being called ‘players.’

  117. @Jack D
    I've never seen a salmon that was small enough that you could eat two whole fish (unless they were harvesting immature fish). Farm raised salmon are usually harvested at around 8 to 10 lbs. You lose a little for the guts, etc. but there's no way you could eat two of them or even one.

    Jack…This was back in 1983 so this was a different farmed Norwegian salmon situation. Eaten at about 14th street or so. I was in town because a relative had serious medical problems so i know the year. Each salmon was the size of a good size mackerel
    The salmon was deliciously memorable so I remember.
    Salmon and tuna are the ultimate fish. Tuna sushi and sashimi is what I like….all others are marketing and ornaments (aka commentary) to get the female sushi hounds excited.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I believe you although your memory can play funny tricks on you. An early childhood memory I had was of little miniature yellow bananas. These looked just like regular (Cavendish) bananas but were like 1/3 scale. Then I didn't see them for my entire childhood and I began to doubt whether they even existed or whether I had just imagined them. And then many years later I saw them (again?) and lo and behold they are real - I see them in the stores nowadays quite regularly. I still don't know whether I actually saw them as a child or not.

    The snobs say that farm raised salmon is inferior to the wild product but I like its richness - it's like the Kobe beef of fish. Like Kobe beef you can't apply too much heat too it or all the luscious fat will exude in a puddle of grease. Low and slow is the way to go.
  118. @Bubba
    It's interesting and very good to hear that a manager can sit a high-paid, non-producing player.

    Peter Angelos, the majority "owner" of the Baltimore Orioles who also does not own the bodies of any players, has a very similar interesting situation with Chris "Crush" Davis who currently earns $21 million dollars a year (7 year, no-trade, guaranteed $161 million dollars with $42 million deferred between 2023 and 2037) for batting 0.176 (he batted 0.168 in 2018) and had to be physically restrained from going after the Orioles manager during a game last week.

    However, "Crush" still plays.

    Angelos should cut his losses and let "Crush" sit home and play golf as they would be a far better team without him. The excellent manager Buck Showalter turned the Orioles around for 5 competitive seasons above 0.500 between 2013 to 2017, but even he couldn't help the pathetic "owners" of the Orioles with their disastrous decisions.

    It’s interesting and very good to hear that a manager can sit a high-paid, non-producing player.

    Except that he’s not. In his 6 years at Real Madrid Bale has scored over 100 goals and contributed many assists, and scored the winning goals in several crucial games, usually in a spectacular manner.

    The downside is that he is rather injury prone, doesn’t get on with team mates, has refused, or been unable, to learn Spanish after living in Spain for 6 years, although he apparently very much enjoys living in Madrid, doesn’t socialize with team mates as he prefers to go to bed early, and is nicknamed, derisively, “el golfer” by his team mates, as he seems to prefer golf to soccer.

    Anyway, with a net worth of over $120 million, and half a million a week coming in, he can afford to be a stay-at-home wage slave!

    • Replies: @Bubba
    Now that is an excellent post with an incredible video - he sounds like a well-grounded, young man and certainly gifted with amazing athletic talent.

    Thank you for correcting me as I don't follow soccer (yes, I know it's called 'football') and didn't know the intricacies of your first post.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    If Bale can consistently perform on the pitch at that level I don't really see the issue with Real and the Spanish putting up with some of his peculiar Welsh quirks.
  119. @Anon7
    According to recent news stories, rap impresario Jay-Z is now an NFL owner.

    https://www.theroot.com/jay-z-reportedly-to-get-majority-ownership-in-nfl-team-1837328603/amp

    I tell you, black people in this country just can’t catch a break. Just as a successful black man actually becomes an NFL owner, you can’t call them owners.

    This is especially poignant when you realize that the first person in America to be a slave owner – as recognized by a civil court in 1654 – was a black man named Anthony Johnson.

  120. anonymous[585] • Disclaimer says:

    Anti Whiteism:

    “Diversity”, “anti racism”, mass immigration and assimilation… those are all White ‘Privileges’

    Borders, demographic and cultural self-preservation… those are non White Privileges

    ‘Diversity’ means chasing down the last White person.

    No school, no town, no country is allowed to be White.

    Anti racist is code for Anti White
    It’s White G…

  121. @El Dato
    Evidently an "owner" is not a "chairman". That's why there is no "shares chairmanship".

    Well, at least the players are not called "pickers". Which would be bad.

    But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619
     
    "1619" must appears at least once in each article. Bonus points for "the lexicon of 1619".

    Just keep rolling!

    https://i.imgur.com/u7j8lKO.jpg

    They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.
     
    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    Well, at least the players are not called “pickers”. Which would be bad.

    How about “haircroppers”?

  122. @Jonathan Mason
    English soccer teams traditionally referred to their owners as 'the chairman', but more recently the term owner seems to have come into vogue in the era when most of the owners are foreigners (i.e. not British).

    In this era of diversity top clubs sport owners who are Russian, Arab, Thai, Iranian, Egyptian and Chinese, but the largest group of owners are the Americans.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-richest-billionaire-premier-league-owners-2019-8#1-manchester-city-owner-sheikh-mansour-30-billion-12

    But just to clarify, they only own the clubs or the corporations that control the clubs, and the registrations of the players, which can be bought and sold, but do not bodily own the players. A player cannot be sold to another club without the consent of the player.

    Hence we have the current interesting situation of Welsh player Gareth Bale at Real Madrid, who has fallen out of favor with the team manager Zinedine Zidane who does not want to play him, and yet has a full three years to run on a contract that pays him something like $1/2 million per WEEK to stay home and play golf if he is not selected. Nice work if you can get it!

    https://www.ccn.com/zidane-headbutts-bale-out-which-one-is-the-real-madrid-legend/

    Bale does not object to going to another club, but is not willing to take a pay cut, and almost no club in the world can afford his salary.

    But just to clarify, they only own the clubs or the corporations that control the clubs, and the registrations of the players, which can be bought and sold, but do not bodily own the players. A player cannot be sold to another club without the consent of the player.

    Some of us figured this out back in the death throes of the “reserve clause” in baseball. The players weren’t traded, their contracts were.

    Contracts that they had signed, to play a game for money.

  123. @Clyde

    OT2: Fish Farmers now using facial recognition on salmon! https://futurism.com/the-byte/facial-recognition-fish
     
    Norway of course which is very hi-tech in salmon farming. They feed and raise their salmon so well that they are almost wild. Was in a gourmet grocery today and they had Norway salmon that called wild even though farmed. Norway was leading in salmon farming even 30+ years ago when I had some of their delicious farmed salmon at a New York restaurant. They were smallish and two per order, two were filling! The details on how they (Norway) are able to semi-wild farm salmon are on the internet.

    Norway was leading in salmon farming even 30+ years ago…

    Do they use silos?

    https://www.buwatec.com/fish-silo/

    Dairy Farmer’s Silos Now Filled With Fish

    The Future of Fish Farming May Be Indoors

    The island camp that Anders Breivik attacked was essentially a human fish silo. They were farming Social Democrats.

  124. @Anon
    How come the general manager and the head coach of the Hornets are white? Michael, my man, walk the talk. Hire an all black executive team. There are some black Nike alumni with sports business experience looking for work. The Hornets need a diversity and inclusion VP, stat. An all black front office. An all black back office. A black accounting office and VP finance. An all black coaching staff.

    “My man”? What is this, 1970? An episode of “Room 222”?

  125. @Cloudbuster
    I have a better idea: proportional racial representation on sports teams. It has worked so well in academia and government employment.

    If only 13% of the players were Black, there wouldn't be a slavery stigma for "owners."

    If only 13% of the players were Black, there wouldn’t be a slavery stigma for “owners.”

    And then the teams would “look like America.” I’ve heard that’s supposed to be a good thing.

  126. OT: The New York Times seems to be running a series on “The New Nativists” who have ostensibly shaped the immigration debate:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/us/anti-immigration-cordelia-scaife-may.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab

  127. How about banning black players? Watching them dribble the ball is so much like picking cotton.

  128. @Kent Nationalist
    Does this project involve discussing any of the white people who lived in probably more horrible conditions of slavery or not?

    If once upon a time in America, Maurice Podoloff, Jewish Ice Rink Master, hadn’t figured out a novel way to charge idiotic huwhite audiences year round, LeBron today would be yet another 300 lb bouncer – this time dealing dope to his huwhite idiotic customers in some Akron bar chaired by some triple parenthetical Hookah Bar Governer.

    bored identity strongly believes that the world would certainly be a better place without Organized Sports – a subversive concept first protocolised at the dawn of the 20th century.

  129. @istevefan

    In the N.B.A., the very term “owner” has come under fire, as players, most of whom are black, assert self-determination.
     
    Unlike real slaves with real owners, these modern prima donnas are free to walk off the plantation at any time.

    This stark divide, and the familiar questions it raises about white people overseeing the toil of African-Americans,
     
    Then make your own league. Given that 80% of the players are black, it wouldn't be that hard to create their own league with their own rules, teams and financial relationships.

    Blacks bitching about the current structure of the NBA, given that they hold most of the cards when it comes to talent, is akin to 2nd Amendment types bitching about this nation being taken away from them. Both have the tools to effect what they want. Neither seems willing to use them.

    If….

    https://twitter.com/hieronymusjosef/status/1162774365748023297

    If black families were as rich as white ones, U.S. economy would be $1.5 trillion bigger

    https://cbsn.ws/2OZIejl

    • Replies: @BB753
    The correct reply is: with no Blacks in America to squander money upon, the US economy would be 1.5 trillion bigger.
  130. @Digital Samizdat
    Each NBA team should just refer to its team owner as the Man.

    There is no other business like the N.B.A. Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America. Nearly 80 percent of league players are black.
     
    We need to get the EEOC on the NBA right now!

    “rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks…”

    How much do you want to bet that the bozo who penned this twaddle sat back a moment, re-read it back to himself in his head, smiled and thought, Now THAT’s some fiiiine writing. Man, I am another Langston Hughes!

    Rim-rattling dunks. Really. Giggle.

  131. @bored identity



    Props to Jewish academics, they’ve managed to channel SJW activism towards this while evading the very real racism, colonialism, police brutality and general murder that Israel does that it couldn’t get away with without the sycophantic support of the US government and media.

    It’s actually impressive.

     

    Having Tdzak D to admit the same would be even more impressive.

    Don’t know about Jack, but I’d say this has gotten well out of the hands of Jewish academics at this points. Baquet’s a POC. Just because you summoned the monster doesn’t mean you know how to dismiss it.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Don’t know about Jack, but I’d say this has gotten well out of the hands of Jewish academics at this points. Baquet’s a POC. Just because you summoned the monster doesn’t mean you know how to dismiss it.
     
    You are referring to the so called Jews who run the NY Times. The reality is these "Jew" owners who allegedly call the shots there to brainwash Presidents, Congressmen on down to the American public...
    The reality is they are half Jewish, semi Jewish, Quarter Jewish, One eighth Jewish, and Combination Jewish Episcopalians, also High Yella Jewish. I am saying their Jewishness and blood is very remote by now. 85% of these NY Times owners "Jews" despise Netanyahu and support anything the Palestinians do.
    , @Dan Hayes
    SFG:

    Summoning the monster and failure to dismiss it has already been chronicled in Disney's "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" which in turn was chronicling the Golem's activities!
  132. As former Detroit mayor Coleman Young would refer to himself as:

    Head N-Word In Charge (HNIC)

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    In the Marines, it's the HMFWIC.
  133. @Clyde
    Jack...This was back in 1983 so this was a different farmed Norwegian salmon situation. Eaten at about 14th street or so. I was in town because a relative had serious medical problems so i know the year. Each salmon was the size of a good size mackerel
    The salmon was deliciously memorable so I remember.
    Salmon and tuna are the ultimate fish. Tuna sushi and sashimi is what I like....all others are marketing and ornaments (aka commentary) to get the female sushi hounds excited.

    I believe you although your memory can play funny tricks on you. An early childhood memory I had was of little miniature yellow bananas. These looked just like regular (Cavendish) bananas but were like 1/3 scale. Then I didn’t see them for my entire childhood and I began to doubt whether they even existed or whether I had just imagined them. And then many years later I saw them (again?) and lo and behold they are real – I see them in the stores nowadays quite regularly. I still don’t know whether I actually saw them as a child or not.

    The snobs say that farm raised salmon is inferior to the wild product but I like its richness – it’s like the Kobe beef of fish. Like Kobe beef you can’t apply too much heat too it or all the luscious fat will exude in a puddle of grease. Low and slow is the way to go.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    The snobs say that farm raised salmon is inferior to the wild product but I like its richness – it’s like the Kobe beef of fish. Like Kobe beef you can’t apply too much heat too it or all the luscious fat will exude in a puddle of grease. Low and slow is the way to go.
     
    You must be joking. I will only eat that farm raised drek in a restaurant situation. Norwegian farm raised might be an exception these days. As far as bananas go..... I have grown many of them including the small ones you mention. How about some red bananas? All bananas grow like weeds here in my undisclosed location in anytown USA. If you were at my place I would sell you a few huge banana roots at 7 dollars each. I just grew two pineapples too. Super sweet with minimum acid.
  134. @slumber_j
    His sister Sarah too, btw. But yeah: if you're crushing varsity crew even at the lightweight level, Harvard likes you a whole lot.

    The Wexner foundation had also given 100,000 to Westerville Crew that year. Presumably this was where young Wexner had rowed. He certainly wasnt going to lose for want of a better boat!

    • Replies: @Couch Scientist
    I was mostly surprised by the profit turning of a Bear Stearns ABS fund in 2015, but I dont know much about securities or tax filings.
    , @Clyde

    The Wexner foundation had also given 100,000 to Westerville Crew that year. Presumably this was where young Wexner had rowed. He certainly wasnt going to lose for want of a better boat!
     
    And the amazing (I like that dumb cliché word amazing) thing is that most of the world thinks Leslie Wexner is gay. But wiki says he punched out four children. Along with his wife of course who had to carry. Where is the love in that relationship but hardly unique in human existence. Maybe Epstein lured him in with homo hookups that he video recorded for blackmail.
  135. @Anon
    Thanks for this.. It's going to do the rounds during my next few parents' get together. "Harvard Number" is something I can use.

    I just think the government should do something so that we could all afford to pay seven million dollars to get our kids into the best school. The American Dream after all.

  136. Leave it to black folks to bite the hands that feed them.

  137. “people as currency”

    People are not very useful as currency. I think you mean people as a commodity.

    • LOL: Ben tillman
  138. @bored identity



    Props to Jewish academics, they’ve managed to channel SJW activism towards this while evading the very real racism, colonialism, police brutality and general murder that Israel does that it couldn’t get away with without the sycophantic support of the US government and media.

    It’s actually impressive.

     

    Having Tdzak D to admit the same would be even more impressive.

    You got me. I admit it. I confess. There’s no point in denying it any more. You’ve figured out our game. Us Tdzoos are clever but not as clever as you goyim who invented algebra and stuff while we were still trying to figure out what to do with eggs that were laid on Shabbos. This is a plot by us Tdzooos to distract you Goyim while we oppress the peace loving Gazans. Also while we have you distracted and on the defensive over whether to call NBA team owners “owners” or “chairmen” we are going to defile your luscious blond shiksa daughters. Because that’s how we Tdzoos roll.

    • LOL: Clyde
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Many a truth is spoken in jest.
    , @Clyde
    And after all the violence and double talk
    There's just a song in all the trouble and the strife
    You do the walk, yeah, you do the walk of life
    Mm, you do the walk of life

    **** I take this literally as in walking every day same as Steve. Just out taking a long fast stroll. If I could run I would. If I could fly away I would. As in... That is Joni Mitchel who lied about her high cheekbones. This was her Sámi heritage. Not Canadian Indian as she liked to claim. I would like to see her DNA chart.
    , @bored identity
    Was this Tdzak D's elementary shul sarcasm supposed to be some kind of of the Poor Mensch's Phillip Roth ?

    Stop flattering yourself; no one's getting you, and no one's after your kind- with an exception of your own chutzpahstic conscience:



    "...we are going to defile your luscious blond shiksa daughters. Because that’s how we Tdzoos roll."

     

    Judging on the account of Tdzak's 'ethics, moral compass, and free will', y'all should know by now how this story ends:


    https://www.kevinandkell.com/2018/strips/kk20180610.jpg


    Keep rolling, Tdzak.
  139. “The word ‘owner,’ it dates back to slavery”

    Pretty sure it dates back to the Middle Ages.

    By the way, is it necessary to point out the thing these owners own is the team, not the players? Because if he owns employees then he owns the white collar guys and the janitors and the dance squads and the kid in charge of moving the trampoline in front of the basket for the mascot.

  140. @JimDandy
    The day the NYT officially went full retard.

    Evergreen:

  141. @EdwardM
    How about "overseer"? Don't some schools and other non-profit organizations use that term?

    I was thinking we could go with one of Bill Murray’s characters from SNL: the Whipmaster.

    https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.g0lWjeeunXTzpeD-UIFN-gHaEC&pid=Api&dpr=1.5

  142. The sooner whites recognize that there is nothing that can be done to appease blacks, as a group, and quit trying, the better off we’ll be.

  143. White people who watch the NBA and NFL are fools. Why do we put put up with multi-millionaire negroes complaining about white people?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    There are people on this earth who think that King Janes didn't deface his own portcullis.
  144. @Ron Mexico
    Do the white players get a 1607 project to support their cause? Guaranteed 4 to 7 year contracts?

    As long as there are penalties that enable the team to control them until the day they die. Getting drunk, 3 years per incident; sick days, for every day sick, 2 weeks to the contract; performance penalties; etc..

  145. @mikemikev
    Didn't they also have balls and baskets during slavery?

    Didn’t they also have balls and baskets during slavery?

    The Arabs took away at least one of those.

    Thus, women slaves in the Arab world were often turned into concubines living in harems, and rarely as wives, their children becoming free. A large number of male slaves and young boys were castrated and turned into eunuchs who kept watch over the harems. Castration was a particularly brutal operation with a survival rate of only 10%.

    Recalling Africa’s harrowing tale of its first slavers – The Arabs – as UK Slave Trade Abolition is commemorated

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This makes no sense. Why would you undertake an operation that killed 90% of your male slaves? Slaves were cheaper in the Arab world but they weren't THAT cheap. Castration is practiced all the time on farm animals with very low mortality. You really have to take articles like this with a big grain of salt. Did the Arabian Center for Disease Control keep stats on the mortality rates from castration? Or is the writer pulling this number out of xer ass?
  146. @Dave Pinsen

    This stark divide, and the familiar questions it raises about white people overseeing the toil of African-Americans, adds a layer of tension that ripples just beneath the glamour of the N.B.A. Much of what transpires in the league can be seen through the lens of race, especially this summer, when players upended the usual power dynamics by forcing a flurry of trades and transformational free-agent signings.
     
    Or, as Nick DiPaolo put it,

    https://twitter.com/nickdipaolo/status/1154160905233604610?s=21

    Gotta love the @NBA A league where the teams line ups depend on what brothers hung out with what brothers at what titty bars in the off-season.

    Shep Messing of the New York Cosmos was asked decades later if the team’s European stars looked down on the three token Americans.

    Ha! He said they were the most popular guys on the squad. They knew where all the hot night spots were.

  147. @Anonymous
    “The word ‘owner,’” Green said, “it dates back to slavery.”

    What does the word 'moron' date back to?

    LOL!

  148. @Kyle
    They should refer to owners as moguls. Black people like the word mogul. It’s cooler than owner and reminds them of Dr. Dre, Oprah, the jewish people from shark tank, or the guy from the sham-wow commercial. Changing the title of owner would go a long way towards mitigating player anger. They would no longer look at ownership and fail to see their own reflections. If this somehow doesn’t work we could try replacing all nba team owners using this simple algorithm. Black man = true ; white man = false. We could start at the top with league commissioner Adam silver. He should be replaced by Alan Iverson. Players should no longer have to show up to practice if they don’t feel like it, they should be allowed to wear baggy gangster clothing during press conferences.

    >the Jewish people from Shark Tank

    Kevin (may death and icy chaos smooth his path to prime ministership) is like pure Scottish and is actually typical of a now-forgotten, memory-holed Canadian archetype.

    The only other memorable Shark Tank guys are the Croat who likes cars, and Daymond.

  149. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    White people who watch the NBA and NFL are fools. Why do we put put up with multi-millionaire negroes complaining about white people?

    There are people on this earth who think that King Janes didn’t deface his own portcullis.

  150. @Cloudbuster
    I have a better idea: proportional racial representation on sports teams. It has worked so well in academia and government employment.

    If only 13% of the players were Black, there wouldn't be a slavery stigma for "owners."

    I have a better idea: proportional racial representation on sports teams. It has worked so well in academia and government employment.

    If only 13% of the players were Black, there wouldn’t be a slavery stigma for “owners.”

    Better yet, return the teams to Syracuse, Rochester, Ft Wayne, Anderson, and Tri-Cities.

    I was going to suggest that Minnesota may be blacker today than California was when the Lakers left Minneapolis. But Minnesota is blacker than the California of today!

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/black-population/

  151. @Clyde

    OT2: Fish Farmers now using facial recognition on salmon! https://futurism.com/the-byte/facial-recognition-fish
     
    Norway of course which is very hi-tech in salmon farming. They feed and raise their salmon so well that they are almost wild. Was in a gourmet grocery today and they had Norway salmon that called wild even though farmed. Norway was leading in salmon farming even 30+ years ago when I had some of their delicious farmed salmon at a New York restaurant. They were smallish and two per order, two were filling! The details on how they (Norway) are able to semi-wild farm salmon are on the internet.

    As I understand it the argument against farmed salmon is really a long-term, meddling in god’s domain sort of thing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    No keeping cattle or poultry then, either. From now on, it's only what you can hunt. Of course, that's only for the nobility. The rest of us have to go back to eating potatoes and cabbage (except we'll call it vegan).
  152. Every time I think we’re at peak SJW stupidity, they top themselves!

  153. @Jonathan Mason

    It’s interesting and very good to hear that a manager can sit a high-paid, non-producing player.
     
    Except that he's not. In his 6 years at Real Madrid Bale has scored over 100 goals and contributed many assists, and scored the winning goals in several crucial games, usually in a spectacular manner.

    The downside is that he is rather injury prone, doesn't get on with team mates, has refused, or been unable, to learn Spanish after living in Spain for 6 years, although he apparently very much enjoys living in Madrid, doesn't socialize with team mates as he prefers to go to bed early, and is nicknamed, derisively, "el golfer" by his team mates, as he seems to prefer golf to soccer.

    Anyway, with a net worth of over $120 million, and half a million a week coming in, he can afford to be a stay-at-home wage slave!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCvWSzJyHPk

    Now that is an excellent post with an incredible video – he sounds like a well-grounded, young man and certainly gifted with amazing athletic talent.

    Thank you for correcting me as I don’t follow soccer (yes, I know it’s called ‘football’) and didn’t know the intricacies of your first post.

  154. @Couch Scientist
    The Wexner foundation had also given 100,000 to Westerville Crew that year. Presumably this was where young Wexner had rowed. He certainly wasnt going to lose for want of a better boat!

    I was mostly surprised by the profit turning of a Bear Stearns ABS fund in 2015, but I dont know much about securities or tax filings.

  155. @Reg Cæsar

    Didn’t they also have balls and baskets during slavery?
     
    The Arabs took away at least one of those.

    Thus, women slaves in the Arab world were often turned into concubines living in harems, and rarely as wives, their children becoming free. A large number of male slaves and young boys were castrated and turned into eunuchs who kept watch over the harems. Castration was a particularly brutal operation with a survival rate of only 10%.

    Recalling Africa’s harrowing tale of its first slavers – The Arabs – as UK Slave Trade Abolition is commemorated
     

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds_J_VFXgAA18Cv.jpg

    This makes no sense. Why would you undertake an operation that killed 90% of your male slaves? Slaves were cheaper in the Arab world but they weren’t THAT cheap. Castration is practiced all the time on farm animals with very low mortality. You really have to take articles like this with a big grain of salt. Did the Arabian Center for Disease Control keep stats on the mortality rates from castration? Or is the writer pulling this number out of xer ass?

  156. @J.Ross
    As I understand it the argument against farmed salmon is really a long-term, meddling in god's domain sort of thing.

    No keeping cattle or poultry then, either. From now on, it’s only what you can hunt. Of course, that’s only for the nobility. The rest of us have to go back to eating potatoes and cabbage (except we’ll call it vegan).

  157. Maybe the players could, you know, actually invest their earnings in a team instead of buying that 9th Escalade.

  158. @El Dato
    Evidently an "owner" is not a "chairman". That's why there is no "shares chairmanship".

    Well, at least the players are not called "pickers". Which would be bad.

    But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619
     
    "1619" must appears at least once in each article. Bonus points for "the lexicon of 1619".

    Just keep rolling!

    https://i.imgur.com/u7j8lKO.jpg

    They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.
     
    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    Well, at least the players are not called “pickers”. Which would be bad.

    Pickers and high rollers.
    When will the campaign to rename the senate “whip” be kicked off?

  159. @SFG
    Don't know about Jack, but I'd say this has gotten well out of the hands of Jewish academics at this points. Baquet's a POC. Just because you summoned the monster doesn't mean you know how to dismiss it.

    Don’t know about Jack, but I’d say this has gotten well out of the hands of Jewish academics at this points. Baquet’s a POC. Just because you summoned the monster doesn’t mean you know how to dismiss it.

    You are referring to the so called Jews who run the NY Times. The reality is these “Jew” owners who allegedly call the shots there to brainwash Presidents, Congressmen on down to the American public…
    The reality is they are half Jewish, semi Jewish, Quarter Jewish, One eighth Jewish, and Combination Jewish Episcopalians, also High Yella Jewish. I am saying their Jewishness and blood is very remote by now. 85% of these NY Times owners “Jews” despise Netanyahu and support anything the Palestinians do.

  160. @Jack D
    You got me. I admit it. I confess. There's no point in denying it any more. You've figured out our game. Us Tdzoos are clever but not as clever as you goyim who invented algebra and stuff while we were still trying to figure out what to do with eggs that were laid on Shabbos. This is a plot by us Tdzooos to distract you Goyim while we oppress the peace loving Gazans. Also while we have you distracted and on the defensive over whether to call NBA team owners "owners" or "chairmen" we are going to defile your luscious blond shiksa daughters. Because that's how we Tdzoos roll.

    Many a truth is spoken in jest.

    • Agree: byrresheim
  161. Say, does this aversion to the notion of ownership explain a reliably lower rate of home ownership and net worth for some ethnic groups?

    Some friends and I were all set to get matching 1619 Project tattoos tonight. Now I’m having second thoughts. Forehead or chest? My local tatartist has been struggling to complete an inked depiction of the collected works of Michelle O. on my buttocks (plural of an arse-half; M has a lot to convey. Apologies if that’s TMI.).

    9-point Geneva font.

  162. @PiltdownMan
    Some of the comments on that article are truly nutty.

    I have always found many aspects of sports reminiscent of slavery. One particular event that bothers me in football is the combine. Nearly naked mostly black bodies being weighed and measured, their physical specifications analyzed and compared. They stand there in full public view as each body part is peered over, compared and contrasted against the rest. They run, jump, throw, and zig zag about for a further breakdown of who is the best physical specimen for the money. If that is not an slave auction block then you have never read a history book.

    My white husband thinks nothing of the word owner in sports. At the risk of (again) sounding "too sensitive" in his opinion, I did express that I had a problem with it. You can argue all you want that it merely means they own the team and not the players. I can promise you that all of those old rich white men consider themselves as owners of the players. The only thing that can separate their little club from the rest of the mere filthy rich is the notion of owning their very own black men.
     

    Yeah, that NYT comment is actually on the mark. The only difference between the NFL combine and a slave auction is that the NFL draft is not literally an auction.

  163. @Anon
    So, what are you white guys going to do to win the identity politics discourse?

    I'm not American. I see the appalling madness. Yet reading Sailer I don't get ANY ideas about what to do or how to speak to advance your cause. Or any good cause. It's all aw-shucks-I-white-and-smart-and-notice-everything. And notice. And comment. And notice again. It's plain depressing! Your ancestors did better.

    On what values and language and life do you build a community?!? tip: there's no such thing as "white values". It's an historically empty category.

    Right now life is still too good for whites, even the Noticers on the Dissident Right to do anything.

    Why risk your comfy, well paying job on some DR thing.

    Also, alot of whites are in pretty depressing shape, especially with the Appalachian tendency towards pills. Alot of whites are obese, or tatted, or both.

    I honestly don’t know what the solution is. Clearly a growing number of people are “noticing” but it is not translating into anything. We expect some political savior to come and save us (opposite attitude of the founders).

    I don’t know, man. Shit is fucked, as we say in French. I just educate myself, work out, and improve every day. I don’t really know what else to do.

  164. @bored identity
    If....


    https://twitter.com/hieronymusjosef/status/1162774365748023297



    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1162232189158744064


    If black families were as rich as white ones, U.S. economy would be $1.5 trillion bigger



    https://cbsn.ws/2OZIejl

     

    The correct reply is: with no Blacks in America to squander money upon, the US economy would be 1.5 trillion bigger.

  165. @Couch Scientist
    The Wexner foundation had also given 100,000 to Westerville Crew that year. Presumably this was where young Wexner had rowed. He certainly wasnt going to lose for want of a better boat!

    The Wexner foundation had also given 100,000 to Westerville Crew that year. Presumably this was where young Wexner had rowed. He certainly wasnt going to lose for want of a better boat!

    And the amazing (I like that dumb cliché word amazing) thing is that most of the world thinks Leslie Wexner is gay. But wiki says he punched out four children. Along with his wife of course who had to carry. Where is the love in that relationship but hardly unique in human existence. Maybe Epstein lured him in with homo hookups that he video recorded for blackmail.

  166. @Jonathan Mason

    It’s interesting and very good to hear that a manager can sit a high-paid, non-producing player.
     
    Except that he's not. In his 6 years at Real Madrid Bale has scored over 100 goals and contributed many assists, and scored the winning goals in several crucial games, usually in a spectacular manner.

    The downside is that he is rather injury prone, doesn't get on with team mates, has refused, or been unable, to learn Spanish after living in Spain for 6 years, although he apparently very much enjoys living in Madrid, doesn't socialize with team mates as he prefers to go to bed early, and is nicknamed, derisively, "el golfer" by his team mates, as he seems to prefer golf to soccer.

    Anyway, with a net worth of over $120 million, and half a million a week coming in, he can afford to be a stay-at-home wage slave!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCvWSzJyHPk

    If Bale can consistently perform on the pitch at that level I don’t really see the issue with Real and the Spanish putting up with some of his peculiar Welsh quirks.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    If Bale can consistently perform on the pitch at that level I don’t really see the issue with Real and the Spanish putting up with some of his peculiar Welsh quirks.
     
    If he could do it consistently, then he would be God!

    He is a bit inconsistent, but this seems to be mainly related to injury issues.

    But there is a new twist to the story. Yesterday he played as a starter due to a last minute injury to another player, and played very well and provided the assist for a key goal with a brilliant piece of play. What is more, Bale, who is a left-footed player was playing yesterday on the left wing, whereas for the last 6 years Real Madrid have insisted on using him on the right side, so that he can cut inside and shoot with his left foot.

    Before he went to Real Madrid, Bale was known for scoring from the left with his left foot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dem0PFQAmM
  167. @Bill B.

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?
     
    No.

    Filipinos are interested in basketball

  168. @Jack D
    You got me. I admit it. I confess. There's no point in denying it any more. You've figured out our game. Us Tdzoos are clever but not as clever as you goyim who invented algebra and stuff while we were still trying to figure out what to do with eggs that were laid on Shabbos. This is a plot by us Tdzooos to distract you Goyim while we oppress the peace loving Gazans. Also while we have you distracted and on the defensive over whether to call NBA team owners "owners" or "chairmen" we are going to defile your luscious blond shiksa daughters. Because that's how we Tdzoos roll.

    And after all the violence and double talk
    There’s just a song in all the trouble and the strife
    You do the walk, yeah, you do the walk of life
    Mm, you do the walk of life

    **** I take this literally as in walking every day same as Steve. Just out taking a long fast stroll. If I could run I would. If I could fly away I would. As in… That is Joni Mitchel who lied about her high cheekbones. This was her Sámi heritage. Not Canadian Indian as she liked to claim. I would like to see her DNA chart.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    I just saw Mark Knopfler tonight. He is a treasure. He’s seventy now, and when he did his final curtain call, he had the air of a man who wouldn’t be coming back again. I’m very glad I was able to go.
  169. @SFG
    Don't know about Jack, but I'd say this has gotten well out of the hands of Jewish academics at this points. Baquet's a POC. Just because you summoned the monster doesn't mean you know how to dismiss it.

    SFG:

    Summoning the monster and failure to dismiss it has already been chronicled in Disney’s “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice” which in turn was chronicling the Golem’s activities!

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    You seem to have left out Goethe in the pedigree of that cartoon, sir.
  170. @Mr McKenna
    Every red-blooded male sports fan in the nation can recite the salaries of top ball players. Not one can quote the income of team owners. Few even know who the owners are. Can't imagine why.

    Few even know who the owners are. Can’t imagine why.

    After NBA commissioner Silver punished L.A. NBA owner Sterling (ne’ Tokowitz) for racism by forcing Tokowitz to sell his team for a record $2B to Ballmer, Atlanta NBA owner Levenson ratted himself out for having sent a “racist” email. One rarely encounters such hilarity southwest of the Catskills.

    • Replies: @Bigdicknick
    haha yeah i remember that.

    "oh no I am such a racist! I am soooo sorry...I guess I will have to be pressured into selling my team for the good of the community. Please just throw me anywhere, except the briar patch. I will have no chance for survival there, but I suppose its all I deserve."
  171. @Anon
    How come the general manager and the head coach of the Hornets are white? Michael, my man, walk the talk. Hire an all black executive team. There are some black Nike alumni with sports business experience looking for work. The Hornets need a diversity and inclusion VP, stat. An all black front office. An all black back office. A black accounting office and VP finance. An all black coaching staff.

    Exactly. A black news anchor in New Orleans was killed in a plane crash the other day. She was doing one of those local interest stories and went up in a Pitts aerobatic plane.
    I had to check the Daily Mail, but sure enough, the pilot was black.
    I don’t know what I’ll do when the Daily Mail becomes the Daily Malian.

  172. @Clyde
    And after all the violence and double talk
    There's just a song in all the trouble and the strife
    You do the walk, yeah, you do the walk of life
    Mm, you do the walk of life

    **** I take this literally as in walking every day same as Steve. Just out taking a long fast stroll. If I could run I would. If I could fly away I would. As in... That is Joni Mitchel who lied about her high cheekbones. This was her Sámi heritage. Not Canadian Indian as she liked to claim. I would like to see her DNA chart.

    I just saw Mark Knopfler tonight. He is a treasure. He’s seventy now, and when he did his final curtain call, he had the air of a man who wouldn’t be coming back again. I’m very glad I was able to go.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    I just saw Mark Knopfler tonight. He is a treasure. He’s seventy now, and when he did his final curtain call, he had the air of a man who wouldn’t be coming back again. I’m very glad I was able to go.
     
    He will be back in three years. Because his band members need the money. He likes the NE New England area and put on some fairly intimate shows a few years back in small town Maine. Were subsidized (and hotel too) by a wealthy benefactor and why not! I used to read the tour diary by organist Guy Fletcher. http://guyfletcher.co.uk/2019-european-tour-diary/
  173. @El Dato
    Evidently an "owner" is not a "chairman". That's why there is no "shares chairmanship".

    Well, at least the players are not called "pickers". Which would be bad.

    But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619
     
    "1619" must appears at least once in each article. Bonus points for "the lexicon of 1619".

    Just keep rolling!

    https://i.imgur.com/u7j8lKO.jpg

    They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.
     
    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    8

    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    Well, Toronto did win the latest NBA championship, but since Toronto aspires to be a U.S. inner city, your point stands. The victory celebration was supposed to underscore diversity, diversity, and diversity. Four were shot. By contrast, St. Louis (a suburb of Ferguson, MO) won the latest NHL championship, whereupon the overwhelmingly white fan base celebrated that all-white team without incident (save for some spectacularly blissful public drunkenness by several victorious players).

  174. @Dan Hayes
    SFG:

    Summoning the monster and failure to dismiss it has already been chronicled in Disney's "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" which in turn was chronicling the Golem's activities!

    You seem to have left out Goethe in the pedigree of that cartoon, sir.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  175. @JMcG
    I just saw Mark Knopfler tonight. He is a treasure. He’s seventy now, and when he did his final curtain call, he had the air of a man who wouldn’t be coming back again. I’m very glad I was able to go.

    I just saw Mark Knopfler tonight. He is a treasure. He’s seventy now, and when he did his final curtain call, he had the air of a man who wouldn’t be coming back again. I’m very glad I was able to go.

    He will be back in three years. Because his band members need the money. He likes the NE New England area and put on some fairly intimate shows a few years back in small town Maine. Were subsidized (and hotel too) by a wealthy benefactor and why not! I used to read the tour diary by organist Guy Fletcher. http://guyfletcher.co.uk/2019-european-tour-diary/

  176. @Digital Samizdat
    Each NBA team should just refer to its team owner as the Man.

    There is no other business like the N.B.A. Its rainbow jump shots, rim-rattling dunks and heart-pounding drama are gleaming monuments to black America. Nearly 80 percent of league players are black.
     
    We need to get the EEOC on the NBA right now!

    I think the EEOC is 80% black, too.

  177. @MalePaleStale
    As former Detroit mayor Coleman Young would refer to himself as:

    Head N-Word In Charge (HNIC)

    In the Marines, it’s the HMFWIC.

  178. @Jack D
    You got me. I admit it. I confess. There's no point in denying it any more. You've figured out our game. Us Tdzoos are clever but not as clever as you goyim who invented algebra and stuff while we were still trying to figure out what to do with eggs that were laid on Shabbos. This is a plot by us Tdzooos to distract you Goyim while we oppress the peace loving Gazans. Also while we have you distracted and on the defensive over whether to call NBA team owners "owners" or "chairmen" we are going to defile your luscious blond shiksa daughters. Because that's how we Tdzoos roll.

    Was this Tdzak D’s elementary shul sarcasm supposed to be some kind of of the Poor Mensch’s Phillip Roth ?

    Stop flattering yourself; no one’s getting you, and no one’s after your kind– with an exception of your own chutzpahstic conscience:

    “…we are going to defile your luscious blond shiksa daughters. Because that’s how we Tdzoos roll.”

    Judging on the account of Tdzak’s ‘ethics, moral compass, and free will’, y’all should know by now how this story ends:

    Keep rolling, Tdzak.

  179. If there’s any there there to this silliness, it’s the fact that American English as a language tends to use “team” to mean both the senses of the organization and the men. The owner owns the organization which employs the men, but the owner does not own the men.

    In German, “Verein” means team as an organization, while “Mannschaft” (literally translates how it looks: man shaft) means team as the men. So this rhetorical confusion is impossible in this country.

  180. ‘Reframe history’. I.e. redefine, twist, and propagandize history. The Pravda version of history. There’s a saying, “There goes a man who believes his own BS”. That man is now the editor of the NYT.

  181. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1162562184750206976

    Yes to what Mr Yang said. I’ve recognized this for some time. The window in which manipulatable white liberals are the gatekeepers of money and undeserved privilege is rapidly closing. An America dominated by Mexicans, Chinese, Armenians, Russians, Koreans, Persians etc etc will not give one-half of a sh*t about the grievances of blacks.

  182. ““The word ‘owner,’” Green said, “it dates back to slavery.”’

    The concept of ownership was invented for black slaves. so…..prior to black slavery in the americas the concept of property did not exist? This is really up there in terms of monomaniacal statements by blacks.

  183. @Russ

    Few even know who the owners are. Can’t imagine why.
     
    After NBA commissioner Silver punished L.A. NBA owner Sterling (ne' Tokowitz) for racism by forcing Tokowitz to sell his team for a record $2B to Ballmer, Atlanta NBA owner Levenson ratted himself out for having sent a "racist" email. One rarely encounters such hilarity southwest of the Catskills.

    haha yeah i remember that.

    “oh no I am such a racist! I am soooo sorry…I guess I will have to be pressured into selling my team for the good of the community. Please just throw me anywhere, except the briar patch. I will have no chance for survival there, but I suppose its all I deserve.”

  184. @prime noticer
    old news. i thought NBA came to this official resolution 1 or 2 months ago.

    some chinese guy just paid 2.3 billion total to take 100% ownership of the Nets.

    this is total nonsense, even from a finance and math perspective. NBA teams are not worth 2 billion dollars. i know some of these 21st century rich guys have billions to burn, so they can afford to wildly overpay, but this is getting stupid.

    when Ballmer paid 2 billion for the Clippers, i said 1 of 2 things will happen. either everybody will agree that he paid $100,000 for a used Honda Civic, and that he wasted his money. Or, nonsense will set in, and everybody will then agree that used Honda Civics are indeed now worth $100,000, raising the market price of used Honda Civics to 6 figures.

    the latter happened. which is pure twaddle. suddenly even garbage NBA teams which lose money every year, had their values rise to 1 billion.

    NBA payrolls are also treading on a money losing, unsustainable television contract which ESPN made a few years ago, where ESPN way overpaid and can't afford it, and that they'll have to roll back next time. so paying average players 20 million a year will go away in the 2020s. it's offensive to see garbage players making more in 1 year than recent hall of famers made in their entire career. we're not talking about guys from 70 years ago. more like awesome players from 30 years ago, totally in the modern era, who might have got 20 million total. now some scrub that scores 12 points a game gets his entire career salary in one contract.

    baseball and football contracts make sense, at least mathematically and financially. these contracts make no sense. half of NBA teams still lose money.

    The pro leagues think they are going to see big growth from streaming services. The only thing that would hurt the franchise values is a true and significant dropoff in public interest. Even in that event, the NBA thinks they can make up for it through increasing interest in China. I don’t know how that will work for them, but no one has been losing money buying an NBA team for awhile now.

  185. @Jack D
    I believe you although your memory can play funny tricks on you. An early childhood memory I had was of little miniature yellow bananas. These looked just like regular (Cavendish) bananas but were like 1/3 scale. Then I didn't see them for my entire childhood and I began to doubt whether they even existed or whether I had just imagined them. And then many years later I saw them (again?) and lo and behold they are real - I see them in the stores nowadays quite regularly. I still don't know whether I actually saw them as a child or not.

    The snobs say that farm raised salmon is inferior to the wild product but I like its richness - it's like the Kobe beef of fish. Like Kobe beef you can't apply too much heat too it or all the luscious fat will exude in a puddle of grease. Low and slow is the way to go.

    The snobs say that farm raised salmon is inferior to the wild product but I like its richness – it’s like the Kobe beef of fish. Like Kobe beef you can’t apply too much heat too it or all the luscious fat will exude in a puddle of grease. Low and slow is the way to go.

    You must be joking. I will only eat that farm raised drek in a restaurant situation. Norwegian farm raised might be an exception these days. As far as bananas go….. I have grown many of them including the small ones you mention. How about some red bananas? All bananas grow like weeds here in my undisclosed location in anytown USA. If you were at my place I would sell you a few huge banana roots at 7 dollars each. I just grew two pineapples too. Super sweet with minimum acid.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Hmm, bananas and pineapples. I'd say you've narrowed down your undisclosed location considerably. I'd love some banana corms but here in the undisclosed frost belt they'd freeze come Halloween. Always a sad day when you come out one morning and all of your tomatoes and other annuals are dead, but it's part of the cycle of life, I guess.
  186. How about Master instead? Kind of rings a bell

  187. @The Wild Geese Howard
    If Bale can consistently perform on the pitch at that level I don't really see the issue with Real and the Spanish putting up with some of his peculiar Welsh quirks.

    If Bale can consistently perform on the pitch at that level I don’t really see the issue with Real and the Spanish putting up with some of his peculiar Welsh quirks.

    If he could do it consistently, then he would be God!

    He is a bit inconsistent, but this seems to be mainly related to injury issues.

    But there is a new twist to the story. Yesterday he played as a starter due to a last minute injury to another player, and played very well and provided the assist for a key goal with a brilliant piece of play. What is more, Bale, who is a left-footed player was playing yesterday on the left wing, whereas for the last 6 years Real Madrid have insisted on using him on the right side, so that he can cut inside and shoot with his left foot.

    Before he went to Real Madrid, Bale was known for scoring from the left with his left foot.

  188. @El Dato
    Evidently an "owner" is not a "chairman". That's why there is no "shares chairmanship".

    Well, at least the players are not called "pickers". Which would be bad.

    But Green suggested that the lexicon of 1619
     
    "1619" must appears at least once in each article. Bonus points for "the lexicon of 1619".

    Just keep rolling!

    https://i.imgur.com/u7j8lKO.jpg

    They are multimillionaire superstars, international icons and global purveyors of African-American excellence and culture.
     
    Is anyone outside of the US even interested in NBL games or players?

    The NBL merged with the BBA to form the NBA in the late ’40s. I know, it’s a typo.

  189. @Clyde

    The snobs say that farm raised salmon is inferior to the wild product but I like its richness – it’s like the Kobe beef of fish. Like Kobe beef you can’t apply too much heat too it or all the luscious fat will exude in a puddle of grease. Low and slow is the way to go.
     
    You must be joking. I will only eat that farm raised drek in a restaurant situation. Norwegian farm raised might be an exception these days. As far as bananas go..... I have grown many of them including the small ones you mention. How about some red bananas? All bananas grow like weeds here in my undisclosed location in anytown USA. If you were at my place I would sell you a few huge banana roots at 7 dollars each. I just grew two pineapples too. Super sweet with minimum acid.

    Hmm, bananas and pineapples. I’d say you’ve narrowed down your undisclosed location considerably. I’d love some banana corms but here in the undisclosed frost belt they’d freeze come Halloween. Always a sad day when you come out one morning and all of your tomatoes and other annuals are dead, but it’s part of the cycle of life, I guess.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Banana corms indeed, you got that 100% right. But corms must form a banana mat -look this up- to really take off. Some internet dopes call banana stalks trees. Bananas are stupid good on them and they love it. U will be in Del Ray within 5 years.,
  190. @Jack D
    Hmm, bananas and pineapples. I'd say you've narrowed down your undisclosed location considerably. I'd love some banana corms but here in the undisclosed frost belt they'd freeze come Halloween. Always a sad day when you come out one morning and all of your tomatoes and other annuals are dead, but it's part of the cycle of life, I guess.

    Banana corms indeed, you got that 100% right. But corms must form a banana mat -look this up- to really take off. Some internet dopes call banana stalks trees. Bananas are stupid good on them and they love it. U will be in Del Ray within 5 years.,

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