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From the New York Times:

As Labor Pool Shrinks, Prison Time Is Less of a Hiring Hurdle
By BEN CASSELMAN JAN. 13, 2018

A rapidly tightening labor market is forcing companies across the country to consider workers they once would have turned away. That is providing opportunities to people who have long faced barriers to employment, such as criminal records, disabilities or prolonged bouts of joblessness. …

The American economy hasn’t experienced this kind of fierce competition for workers since the late 1990s and early 2000s, the last time the unemployment rate — currently 4.1 percent — was this low.

As employers dip deeper into the pool of available labor, workers are coming off the economy’s sidelines. The participation rate for what economists call prime-age workers — those ages 25 to 54 — hit a seven-year high in December. Employment gains have been especially strong for groups that often face discrimination — unemployment for African-Americans fell to 6.8 percent in November, the lowest rate on record.

It’s almost as if the Trump Administration enforcing more of the laws against illegal immigration than the Obama Administration has benefited America’s blacks and America’s screw-ups of all colors who want a second chance at working for an honest living.

 
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  2. anon • Disclaimer says:

    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I’ve noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere. The cop or detective or whoever would get indignant that someone would bring it up, and say that nobody should hold anything against a man who has “paid his debt to society”.

    You’d hear it a lot, really, in the same way you hear that diversity is our strength. As though it was something that nobody really believed, but that the powers that be were attempting to drill it into the audience’s heads.

    I grew up later, so I was indoctrinated into the idea that, if you ever wanted a job, you should have thought about that before you stole that candy bar as a kid. It was surprising to hear that it wasn’t always that way.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    Also. I wonder if companies are hiring ex-cons now because they need to replace all the people they had to fire for anonymously posting racist memes on the internet.

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    • Replies: @utu

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.
     
    What about the plan for the exponential growth of prison industry and incarceration rate?
    , @J.Ross
    Both from direct government inception and from interest on the part of writers, entertainment media works in social advocacy stories constantly. These become highly visible after a couple of decades, and sometimes at the time. Probably the only time it was done well was "Bang! You're Dead!" from Alfred Hitchcock Presents, in which young Will Robinson stumbles across a real loaded revolver but believes it to be a toy, and there is no one there to warn him of the danger.
    More often these present as horrifyingly patronizing magic negros and the handicapped-yet-athletic (Longstreet, Ironsides, and Mother from the Tara King years of The Avengers). Yes, many really do come straight from government. Whoever watched cartoons in the eighties will recall an episode where everybody is abruptly out of character and lecturing you about how drugs are bad.
    , @biz
    Yes and there was also the hapless but ultimately lovable and harmless criminal/degenerate, like Otis on Andy Griffith.

    I too grew up in a later time when the message was that one smoked joint would mean a night in lockup with Bubba the ass raping ass rapist and did we mention prison rape, and would lead to your life spiraling completely out of control, so it was fascinating to me to see some of the different attitude on those 60s/70s shows. Then again society was much more relaxed about everything in those days before my time, including drinking/DUI, flirting/sex, and pretty much anything else that might interest a teenager.
    , @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    Good observation. Another common narrative in the 60s and 70s was the belief that criminals could be rehabilitated while Incarcerated , learning naw skills and getting an education in prison in order to return to society as a productive citizen. The Film “a clockwork Orange” touches on an extreme version of rehabilitation in prison
    , @bomag

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.
     
    I'd say inertia from the sixties: emptying the mental institutions; prison movies like Birdman of Alcatraz,Cool Hand Luke, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, etc; lit from Norman Mailer and the Angry Black Guys implying that cons were just misunderstood geniuses, blah blah blah.
    , @njguy73

    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I’ve noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere.
     
    Was one of them the Sanford and Son episode where Lamont has an ex-con friend played by Ron Glass (Harris from Barney Miller)?
    , @Triumph104
    Jim Rockford from The Rockford Files was an ex-convict. He had been wrongfully convicted so he received a pardon. His prison buddy was played by Isaac Hayes. In one episode Jim helped him get on his feet after he was released from prison.

    In real life, actor Charles Dutton served time for manslaughter. He dropped out of middle school but eventually earned a master's from the Yale School of Drama.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_S._Dutton
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  3. One thing about the “liberal”/”progressive”/anti-white/super-state ideology is that every little tidbit is a fact unto itself. The individual pieces never have to make any sense as any sort of coherent argument or ideology. Whatever is going on is simply cranked into the narrative in its own tiny little context.

    Ergo simultaneously
    tight labor market in the context of blacks and ex-cons –> good!
    tight labor market in the context of immigration –> crops rotting in the fields!

    simultaneously
    blacks oppressed by white teachers/standards in school system –> evil
    blacks not going to school with enough white kids –> evil

    simultaneously
    blacks moving into white neighborhoods –> diversity! great!
    blacks having to listen to white police officers –> racism! evil!

    simultaneously
    immigration is wonderful, the best thing ever!
    and yet all these things progressives claim to care about
    – wages
    – unemployment
    – jobs for black people
    – income inequality
    – social cohesion
    – status of women/”gender equity”/feminism
    – LBGTQ tolerance/happy-think
    – housing affordability
    – congestion
    – sprawl
    – social cohesion/community
    – good schools
    – open space
    – the environment
    – overpopulation
    – resource deletion
    – habitat destruction
    – global warming
    immigration makes worse.

    There is simply no need for any rational consistency. There is simply the narrative.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    The cognitive dissonance is what helped cure my former liberal leanings.

    Lets have a couple more.

    White flight evil!
    Gentrification (whites moving in) evil!

    Abortion good!
    Eugenics evil!

    Ad infinitum...

    A comprehensive list would great, if anyone feels like adding to it.

    , @Maj. Kong
    There is an internal consistency to their thoughts.

    Remove the ancien regime of white Christian patriarchs.
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  4. J.Ross says: • Website

    I am sure all those economists are going to be busy writing apologies and corrections, what with these being jobs Americans not only will do but have been, funnily enough, looking for.

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  5. utu says:
    @anon
    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I've noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere. The cop or detective or whoever would get indignant that someone would bring it up, and say that nobody should hold anything against a man who has "paid his debt to society".

    You'd hear it a lot, really, in the same way you hear that diversity is our strength. As though it was something that nobody really believed, but that the powers that be were attempting to drill it into the audience's heads.

    I grew up later, so I was indoctrinated into the idea that, if you ever wanted a job, you should have thought about that before you stole that candy bar as a kid. It was surprising to hear that it wasn't always that way.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    Also. I wonder if companies are hiring ex-cons now because they need to replace all the people they had to fire for anonymously posting racist memes on the internet.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    What about the plan for the exponential growth of prison industry and incarceration rate?

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Ex-con employees may yet be the farm team for the prisons, so growth isn't foregone. Imagine some SJW complaining about a wayward glance (or any excuse) from the new employee. That leads to a quick visit from the parole officer, then the poor con is off to another stretch of a few years for some trumped-up parole violation.
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  6. anon • Disclaimer says:

    One of the problems with hiring people who have survived long sentences can be that they bring the prison yard with them to the workplace.
    A Civil Construction firm on the Gold Coast hired a number of them with government subsidies.
    There were still 2 left after 10 years, but Company morale had been destroyed, because only idiots can work with these people, and they closed the doors.

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  7. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anon
    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I've noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere. The cop or detective or whoever would get indignant that someone would bring it up, and say that nobody should hold anything against a man who has "paid his debt to society".

    You'd hear it a lot, really, in the same way you hear that diversity is our strength. As though it was something that nobody really believed, but that the powers that be were attempting to drill it into the audience's heads.

    I grew up later, so I was indoctrinated into the idea that, if you ever wanted a job, you should have thought about that before you stole that candy bar as a kid. It was surprising to hear that it wasn't always that way.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    Also. I wonder if companies are hiring ex-cons now because they need to replace all the people they had to fire for anonymously posting racist memes on the internet.

    Both from direct government inception and from interest on the part of writers, entertainment media works in social advocacy stories constantly. These become highly visible after a couple of decades, and sometimes at the time. Probably the only time it was done well was “Bang! You’re Dead!” from Alfred Hitchcock Presents, in which young Will Robinson stumbles across a real loaded revolver but believes it to be a toy, and there is no one there to warn him of the danger.
    More often these present as horrifyingly patronizing magic negros and the handicapped-yet-athletic (Longstreet, Ironsides, and Mother from the Tara King years of The Avengers). Yes, many really do come straight from government. Whoever watched cartoons in the eighties will recall an episode where everybody is abruptly out of character and lecturing you about how drugs are bad.

    Read More
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  8. eah says:

    Comparing socioeconomïc metrics of Blacks, especially black families, in the 1950s, ie pre Civil Rights, to those of today would be interesting — eg illegitimacy would be one (but only one), since single motherhood generally correlates strongly with poverty and welfare dependence.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The thing that cured Thomas Sowell of his youthful radicalism was researching former colonies and noticing that development was a function of (true post-colonial) independence.
    , @George
    "Comparing socioeconomïc metrics of Blacks, especially black families, in the 1950s, ie pre Civil Rights"

    You mean pre war in Vietnam and pre immigration act of 1965.
    , @Jesse
    Are we seriously going through this trucon garbage? You could get the illegitimacy rate to zero and if you're still working with the same gene pool, they'd do just as badly. Compare things like literacy, crime, health, etc. instead.
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  9. biz says:
    @anon
    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I've noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere. The cop or detective or whoever would get indignant that someone would bring it up, and say that nobody should hold anything against a man who has "paid his debt to society".

    You'd hear it a lot, really, in the same way you hear that diversity is our strength. As though it was something that nobody really believed, but that the powers that be were attempting to drill it into the audience's heads.

    I grew up later, so I was indoctrinated into the idea that, if you ever wanted a job, you should have thought about that before you stole that candy bar as a kid. It was surprising to hear that it wasn't always that way.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    Also. I wonder if companies are hiring ex-cons now because they need to replace all the people they had to fire for anonymously posting racist memes on the internet.

    Yes and there was also the hapless but ultimately lovable and harmless criminal/degenerate, like Otis on Andy Griffith.

    I too grew up in a later time when the message was that one smoked joint would mean a night in lockup with Bubba the ass raping ass rapist and did we mention prison rape, and would lead to your life spiraling completely out of control, so it was fascinating to me to see some of the different attitude on those 60s/70s shows. Then again society was much more relaxed about everything in those days before my time, including drinking/DUI, flirting/sex, and pretty much anything else that might interest a teenager.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Corn
    “I too grew up in a later time when the message was that one smoked joint would mean a night in lockup with Bubba the ass raping ass rapist and did we mention prison rape, and would lead to your life spiraling completely out of control, so it was fascinating to me to see some of the different attitude on those 60s/70s shows. Then again society was much more relaxed about everything in those days before my time, including drinking/DUI, flirting/sex, and pretty much anything else that might interest a teenager.”

    I guess when less people act stupid/destructively you can be more lenient with the ones who do act stupid.

    My late father (born in 1941) used to tell me stories from his bar days. According to him if you were pulled over drunk back in the ‘50s and ‘60s the cop would usually do one of two things:

    1. Tell you to park it and give you a ride home.
    2. If you were close to home you’d be told your night was over and to drive yourself straight home.
    Getting ticketed for DUI was fairly uncommon, usually only happening if you hurt somebody or were a stupid drunk who tried to argue with/run from the cop.

    Totally unlike today, at least where my family is from.
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  10. Lurker says:
    @AnotherDad
    One thing about the "liberal"/"progressive"/anti-white/super-state ideology is that every little tidbit is a fact unto itself. The individual pieces never have to make any sense as any sort of coherent argument or ideology. Whatever is going on is simply cranked into the narrative in its own tiny little context.

    Ergo simultaneously
    tight labor market in the context of blacks and ex-cons --> good!
    tight labor market in the context of immigration --> crops rotting in the fields!

    simultaneously
    blacks oppressed by white teachers/standards in school system --> evil
    blacks not going to school with enough white kids --> evil

    simultaneously
    blacks moving into white neighborhoods --> diversity! great!
    blacks having to listen to white police officers --> racism! evil!

    simultaneously
    immigration is wonderful, the best thing ever!
    and yet all these things progressives claim to care about
    -- wages
    -- unemployment
    -- jobs for black people
    -- income inequality
    -- social cohesion
    -- status of women/"gender equity"/feminism
    -- LBGTQ tolerance/happy-think
    -- housing affordability
    -- congestion
    -- sprawl
    -- social cohesion/community
    -- good schools
    -- open space
    -- the environment
    -- overpopulation
    -- resource deletion
    -- habitat destruction
    -- global warming
    immigration makes worse.

    There is simply no need for any rational consistency. There is simply the narrative.

    The cognitive dissonance is what helped cure my former liberal leanings.

    Lets have a couple more.

    White flight evil!
    Gentrification (whites moving in) evil!

    Abortion good!
    Eugenics evil!

    Ad infinitum…

    A comprehensive list would great, if anyone feels like adding to it.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Injecting homosexuals with hormones to turn them straight = evil
    Injecting young boys with hormones to turn them into girls = good
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  11. J.Ross says: • Website
    @eah
    Comparing socioeconomïc metrics of Blacks, especially black families, in the 1950s, ie pre Civil Rights, to those of today would be interesting -- eg illegitimacy would be one (but only one), since single motherhood generally correlates strongly with poverty and welfare dependence.

    The thing that cured Thomas Sowell of his youthful radicalism was researching former colonies and noticing that development was a function of (true post-colonial) independence.

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  12. George says:
    @eah
    Comparing socioeconomïc metrics of Blacks, especially black families, in the 1950s, ie pre Civil Rights, to those of today would be interesting -- eg illegitimacy would be one (but only one), since single motherhood generally correlates strongly with poverty and welfare dependence.

    “Comparing socioeconomïc metrics of Blacks, especially black families, in the 1950s, ie pre Civil Rights”

    You mean pre war in Vietnam and pre immigration act of 1965.

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  13. Dr. X says:

    A rapidly tightening labor market is forcing companies across the country to consider workers they once would have turned away.

    I’m hearing quite a lot about this “tight labor market,” but I still see employers offering $11-12 an hour. Fifteen bucks an hour is a fortune where I live.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    This (http://freebeacon.com/politics/report-10-percent-of-amazons-ohio-workforce-on-food-stamps) says that 10% of Amazon's Ohio employees get food stamps. Amazon says it pays $14.50 to start.
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  14. @anon
    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I've noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere. The cop or detective or whoever would get indignant that someone would bring it up, and say that nobody should hold anything against a man who has "paid his debt to society".

    You'd hear it a lot, really, in the same way you hear that diversity is our strength. As though it was something that nobody really believed, but that the powers that be were attempting to drill it into the audience's heads.

    I grew up later, so I was indoctrinated into the idea that, if you ever wanted a job, you should have thought about that before you stole that candy bar as a kid. It was surprising to hear that it wasn't always that way.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    Also. I wonder if companies are hiring ex-cons now because they need to replace all the people they had to fire for anonymously posting racist memes on the internet.

    Good observation. Another common narrative in the 60s and 70s was the belief that criminals could be rehabilitated while Incarcerated , learning naw skills and getting an education in prison in order to return to society as a productive citizen. The Film “a clockwork Orange” touches on an extreme version of rehabilitation in prison

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    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Well, Anthony Burgess's 1962 novel (the English version, anyway) ends with Alex giving up a life of crime and contemplating a future in which he's productive and married.

    The movie's ending, though, makes it clear that Alex was back to his old ways ("I was cured, all right").

    Interestingly, Kubrick had the insight in 1971 to make a movie in which it was clear that the British government paid thugs to do their dirty work.

    "Do I make myself clear, Alex?"
    "As an unwanted light, Fred. As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You can rely on me, Fred."

    https://youtu.be/arijbOzqM-E
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  15. Jesse says:
    @eah
    Comparing socioeconomïc metrics of Blacks, especially black families, in the 1950s, ie pre Civil Rights, to those of today would be interesting -- eg illegitimacy would be one (but only one), since single motherhood generally correlates strongly with poverty and welfare dependence.

    Are we seriously going through this trucon garbage? You could get the illegitimacy rate to zero and if you’re still working with the same gene pool, they’d do just as badly. Compare things like literacy, crime, health, etc. instead.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Are we seriously going through this trucon garbage? You could get the illegitimacy rate to zero and if you’re still working with the same gene pool, they’d do just as badly. Compare things like literacy, crime, health, etc. instead.
     
    This isn't "trucon garbage".

    Yes, you're dealing with the same gene pool, which will never perform anywhere near the white level, but you can suffer with it as best as possible or as worst as possible.

    Blacks behaved better--in terms of family structure, employment, crime, attitude--prior to liberation. Liberation was bad for blacks in terms of their conforming to white civilized norms. And bad for whites because liberated blacks sliding down to their black norms turned even larger sections of our cities and some of our suburbs into dystopian no-go zones and subjected us to more black crime, dysfunction and expense.

    When you think about it this makes sense. Liberation is more dangerous for people with lower-IQs and poorer judgment. (That's why we impose stricture rules on children than adults--less sense, poorer judgment.) Blacks benefit even more than whites from a society that lays down strict "this is how you behave" rules, precisely because they are so poor at making good decisions on their own.

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    Word in the ghetto: Trump change, not chump change

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  17. bomag says:
    @anon
    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I've noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere. The cop or detective or whoever would get indignant that someone would bring it up, and say that nobody should hold anything against a man who has "paid his debt to society".

    You'd hear it a lot, really, in the same way you hear that diversity is our strength. As though it was something that nobody really believed, but that the powers that be were attempting to drill it into the audience's heads.

    I grew up later, so I was indoctrinated into the idea that, if you ever wanted a job, you should have thought about that before you stole that candy bar as a kid. It was surprising to hear that it wasn't always that way.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    Also. I wonder if companies are hiring ex-cons now because they need to replace all the people they had to fire for anonymously posting racist memes on the internet.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    I’d say inertia from the sixties: emptying the mental institutions; prison movies like Birdman of Alcatraz,Cool Hand Luke, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, etc; lit from Norman Mailer and the Angry Black Guys implying that cons were just misunderstood geniuses, blah blah blah.

    Read More
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  18. Corn says:
    @biz
    Yes and there was also the hapless but ultimately lovable and harmless criminal/degenerate, like Otis on Andy Griffith.

    I too grew up in a later time when the message was that one smoked joint would mean a night in lockup with Bubba the ass raping ass rapist and did we mention prison rape, and would lead to your life spiraling completely out of control, so it was fascinating to me to see some of the different attitude on those 60s/70s shows. Then again society was much more relaxed about everything in those days before my time, including drinking/DUI, flirting/sex, and pretty much anything else that might interest a teenager.

    “I too grew up in a later time when the message was that one smoked joint would mean a night in lockup with Bubba the ass raping ass rapist and did we mention prison rape, and would lead to your life spiraling completely out of control, so it was fascinating to me to see some of the different attitude on those 60s/70s shows. Then again society was much more relaxed about everything in those days before my time, including drinking/DUI, flirting/sex, and pretty much anything else that might interest a teenager.”

    I guess when less people act stupid/destructively you can be more lenient with the ones who do act stupid.

    My late father (born in 1941) used to tell me stories from his bar days. According to him if you were pulled over drunk back in the ‘50s and ‘60s the cop would usually do one of two things:

    1. Tell you to park it and give you a ride home.
    2. If you were close to home you’d be told your night was over and to drive yourself straight home.
    Getting ticketed for DUI was fairly uncommon, usually only happening if you hurt somebody or were a stupid drunk who tried to argue with/run from the cop.

    Totally unlike today, at least where my family is from.

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  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker
    The cognitive dissonance is what helped cure my former liberal leanings.

    Lets have a couple more.

    White flight evil!
    Gentrification (whites moving in) evil!

    Abortion good!
    Eugenics evil!

    Ad infinitum...

    A comprehensive list would great, if anyone feels like adding to it.

    Injecting homosexuals with hormones to turn them straight = evil
    Injecting young boys with hormones to turn them into girls = good

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  20. eah says:

    Speaking of garbage…

    they’d do just as badly

    I expect that for nearly every metric, a married couple are better off than a single mother — this is very likely especially so for Blacks.

    Compare things like literacy, crime, health, etc.

    Regarding all of the above, I also expect a stronger relationship for single than for two parent families.

    In other words, single parenthood significantly worsens outcomes for black women and their children.

    Schwachkopf.

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    "I expect that for nearly every metric, a married couple are better off than a single mother — this is very likely especially so for Blacks."

    No kidding. You're looking at people who are capable of getting and staying married, while comparing them to people who are not capable of those things. The marriage part reflects those differences; it doesn't cause them.

    I know this is very difficult for conservatives to understand, but at some point you need, desperately, to understand the difference between causation and correlation. You're not providing any real arguments.

    You could make sure that all parents get married, and the ones who are doing badly now would do just as badly if you made their parents sign the marriage certificate. The only difference would be if you somehow managed to stop the ones doing badly from breeding at all. It. Is. Literally. All. About. The. Genes.
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  21. Jesse says:
    @eah
    Speaking of garbage...

    they’d do just as badly

    I expect that for nearly every metric, a married couple are better off than a single mother -- this is very likely especially so for Blacks.

    Compare things like literacy, crime, health, etc.

    Regarding all of the above, I also expect a stronger relationship for single than for two parent families.

    In other words, single parenthood significantly worsens outcomes for black women and their children.

    Schwachkopf.

    “I expect that for nearly every metric, a married couple are better off than a single mother — this is very likely especially so for Blacks.”

    No kidding. You’re looking at people who are capable of getting and staying married, while comparing them to people who are not capable of those things. The marriage part reflects those differences; it doesn’t cause them.

    I know this is very difficult for conservatives to understand, but at some point you need, desperately, to understand the difference between causation and correlation. You’re not providing any real arguments.

    You could make sure that all parents get married, and the ones who are doing badly now would do just as badly if you made their parents sign the marriage certificate. The only difference would be if you somehow managed to stop the ones doing badly from breeding at all. It. Is. Literally. All. About. The. Genes.

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    I know one shouldn’t take any life lessons from fiction especially fiction that features dragons but as a fan of the Game of Thrones, I must.

    On the show bastards are seen as being born out of passion and the implication is that they are of bad blood, deficient. I know there are other reasons for how inheritance traditionally excluded bastards in real life but I wonder if this was part of the thinking as well? That kids born on the other side of the bed would be some what more chaotic, troublesome than those born on the right side.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "You could make sure that all parents get married, and the ones who are doing badly now would do just as badly if you made their parents sign the marriage certificate. The only difference would be if you somehow managed to stop the ones doing badly from breeding at all. It. Is. Literally. All. About. The. Genes."

    No, no, no. It is NOT all about the genes.

    Necessary (which genes are) does not equal sufficient.

    Iceland, one of the wealthiest and best-educated nations on earth, was a poor subsistence economy before WW2. Same genes. China was a starving peasant economy in 1957, now heading for world #1. Same genes.

    (Germany followed obediently a militaristic leader in 1930s, follows obediently a suicidal one in the 2010s. Same genes.)

    The underclass in the UK (which is what I know best) is directly descended from the respectable working class of the 1930s/40s/50s, although I'll accept there have been some dysgenic effects over the last two welfare generations (many of the bad boys fathering multiple kids would simply not have been able to find a mate prior to the 1960s, when welfare was limited and bastardy a disgrace).

    The upper and middle classes still have huge power over the culture*, and hence the behaviour, of the population. The problem is that after the long march through the institutions, the rise to power of many whose interests are not aligned with those of the native population, and the demonisation (and worse) of those whose interests are so aligned, the messages, moral and physical**, that Fishtown gets are those which reinforce dysfunction.

    * Soccer fans now have no concern about 500 people chanting "you fat b*****d" at a slightly chunky opposition goalkeeper, but would be horrified if a single opposition fan shouted "you black b*****d" at their BME keeper. Fifty years back the 'n-word' was in frequent use to describe the (few) black players in the UK. This change didn't happen spontaneously.

    ** 4 Somali girls beat a white girl unconscious, shouting "white b***h" - suspended sentences. A white Brit hangs bacon on a mosque door - six months, and he dies mysteriously in prison.
    Parents of girls being abused by Muslim gangs are threatened with prosecution for hate crime by police and social workers. Planning laws are enforced for householders, but ignored for travellers. I could go on.

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  22. Ivy says:
    @utu

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.
     
    What about the plan for the exponential growth of prison industry and incarceration rate?

    Ex-con employees may yet be the farm team for the prisons, so growth isn’t foregone. Imagine some SJW complaining about a wayward glance (or any excuse) from the new employee. That leads to a quick visit from the parole officer, then the poor con is off to another stretch of a few years for some trumped-up parole violation.

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    Employees with less or no negotiating power also help employers hold down personnel costs and reduce the likelihood of a restive workforce.
    , @utu
    Absolutely. The parole department enforcement policies are a valve that might be used to keep the incarceration rate at the desired level. If it drops and if it is not desirable it is very easy to to bring some parolees back to prison. There is no legal recourse for a parolee.
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  23. @Jesse
    Are we seriously going through this trucon garbage? You could get the illegitimacy rate to zero and if you're still working with the same gene pool, they'd do just as badly. Compare things like literacy, crime, health, etc. instead.

    Are we seriously going through this trucon garbage? You could get the illegitimacy rate to zero and if you’re still working with the same gene pool, they’d do just as badly. Compare things like literacy, crime, health, etc. instead.

    This isn’t “trucon garbage”.

    Yes, you’re dealing with the same gene pool, which will never perform anywhere near the white level, but you can suffer with it as best as possible or as worst as possible.

    Blacks behaved better–in terms of family structure, employment, crime, attitude–prior to liberation. Liberation was bad for blacks in terms of their conforming to white civilized norms. And bad for whites because liberated blacks sliding down to their black norms turned even larger sections of our cities and some of our suburbs into dystopian no-go zones and subjected us to more black crime, dysfunction and expense.

    When you think about it this makes sense. Liberation is more dangerous for people with lower-IQs and poorer judgment. (That’s why we impose stricture rules on children than adults–less sense, poorer judgment.) Blacks benefit even more than whites from a society that lays down strict “this is how you behave” rules, precisely because they are so poor at making good decisions on their own.

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    Blacks are doing better on almost every metric (life expectancy, general health, literacy) since "liberation". There's nothing inherently "bad" about it. The real problem is that they're getting squeezed out, because dealing with them is so awkward. They're getting pushed out of the labor market, not by the welfare state, but by the millions of cheap pliable workers brought in specifically to crush them. They could do better, not great or even good but better in a system minus the millions of artificial competitors. The jobs would be more numerous, the wages would go up and the rents would be lower.

    But please, I'm begging you, let go of the whining about liberals and liberalization. Firstly, blacks will not adhere to white family norms, and it wouldn't do them any good even if it could happen. Secondly, yes, left wing social norms don't seem to work for people to the left hand side of the Bell Curve. But they do work well for those to the right of it, and those people don't want to live in a social system based on the needs of those who are beneath them. They'll go insane, and the prospect will drive smart non conservatives (and most white Americans are not, in fact, conservatives) away from shared goals like stopping immigration.

    But yes, social structures can help or hinder. But the social structures that help will be things like plenty of good jobs, a reasonable amount of second chances for screw ups, a closed border, reasonable rents, restricting the fertility of the worst of the worst...Guys, let go of the fantasy that you can make that Welfare Mom in the ghetto get married to at least one of her babies' fathers and things will magically get better, or that her kids will suddenly regress to a higher mean. It's embarrassing.
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    @Ivy
    Ex-con employees may yet be the farm team for the prisons, so growth isn't foregone. Imagine some SJW complaining about a wayward glance (or any excuse) from the new employee. That leads to a quick visit from the parole officer, then the poor con is off to another stretch of a few years for some trumped-up parole violation.

    Employees with less or no negotiating power also help employers hold down personnel costs and reduce the likelihood of a restive workforce.

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  25. Jesse says:
    @AnotherDad

    Are we seriously going through this trucon garbage? You could get the illegitimacy rate to zero and if you’re still working with the same gene pool, they’d do just as badly. Compare things like literacy, crime, health, etc. instead.
     
    This isn't "trucon garbage".

    Yes, you're dealing with the same gene pool, which will never perform anywhere near the white level, but you can suffer with it as best as possible or as worst as possible.

    Blacks behaved better--in terms of family structure, employment, crime, attitude--prior to liberation. Liberation was bad for blacks in terms of their conforming to white civilized norms. And bad for whites because liberated blacks sliding down to their black norms turned even larger sections of our cities and some of our suburbs into dystopian no-go zones and subjected us to more black crime, dysfunction and expense.

    When you think about it this makes sense. Liberation is more dangerous for people with lower-IQs and poorer judgment. (That's why we impose stricture rules on children than adults--less sense, poorer judgment.) Blacks benefit even more than whites from a society that lays down strict "this is how you behave" rules, precisely because they are so poor at making good decisions on their own.

    Blacks are doing better on almost every metric (life expectancy, general health, literacy) since “liberation”. There’s nothing inherently “bad” about it. The real problem is that they’re getting squeezed out, because dealing with them is so awkward. They’re getting pushed out of the labor market, not by the welfare state, but by the millions of cheap pliable workers brought in specifically to crush them. They could do better, not great or even good but better in a system minus the millions of artificial competitors. The jobs would be more numerous, the wages would go up and the rents would be lower.

    But please, I’m begging you, let go of the whining about liberals and liberalization. Firstly, blacks will not adhere to white family norms, and it wouldn’t do them any good even if it could happen. Secondly, yes, left wing social norms don’t seem to work for people to the left hand side of the Bell Curve. But they do work well for those to the right of it, and those people don’t want to live in a social system based on the needs of those who are beneath them. They’ll go insane, and the prospect will drive smart non conservatives (and most white Americans are not, in fact, conservatives) away from shared goals like stopping immigration.

    But yes, social structures can help or hinder. But the social structures that help will be things like plenty of good jobs, a reasonable amount of second chances for screw ups, a closed border, reasonable rents, restricting the fertility of the worst of the worst…Guys, let go of the fantasy that you can make that Welfare Mom in the ghetto get married to at least one of her babies’ fathers and things will magically get better, or that her kids will suddenly regress to a higher mean. It’s embarrassing.

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    But they do work well for those to the right of it, and those people don’t want to live in a social system based on the needs of those who are beneath them. They’ll go insane, and the prospect will drive smart non conservatives (and most white Americans are not, in fact, conservatives) away from shared goals like stopping immigration.
     
    The Dem candidate for President hasn't won a majority of the white male vote since 1964.

    The white liberal minority and the Jewish liberal majority have cultural dominance over white conservatives. It is repugnant to the republican form of government to have Hollywood and Harvard being made of 90%+ leftists. That is a dominance they guard more jealously than any Klansman ever did in the Jim Crow era.

    I cannot see any evidence that feminism and gay pride have improved things for the right half of the bell curve. On every measure our civilization is headed for the exits. Liberalism has run riot for centuries, hollowing out what was once the greatest culture, its time to turn it back.
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  26. njguy73 says:
    @anon
    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I've noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere. The cop or detective or whoever would get indignant that someone would bring it up, and say that nobody should hold anything against a man who has "paid his debt to society".

    You'd hear it a lot, really, in the same way you hear that diversity is our strength. As though it was something that nobody really believed, but that the powers that be were attempting to drill it into the audience's heads.

    I grew up later, so I was indoctrinated into the idea that, if you ever wanted a job, you should have thought about that before you stole that candy bar as a kid. It was surprising to hear that it wasn't always that way.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    Also. I wonder if companies are hiring ex-cons now because they need to replace all the people they had to fire for anonymously posting racist memes on the internet.

    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I’ve noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere.

    Was one of them the Sanford and Son episode where Lamont has an ex-con friend played by Ron Glass (Harris from Barney Miller)?

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  27. Ed says:
    @Jesse
    "I expect that for nearly every metric, a married couple are better off than a single mother — this is very likely especially so for Blacks."

    No kidding. You're looking at people who are capable of getting and staying married, while comparing them to people who are not capable of those things. The marriage part reflects those differences; it doesn't cause them.

    I know this is very difficult for conservatives to understand, but at some point you need, desperately, to understand the difference between causation and correlation. You're not providing any real arguments.

    You could make sure that all parents get married, and the ones who are doing badly now would do just as badly if you made their parents sign the marriage certificate. The only difference would be if you somehow managed to stop the ones doing badly from breeding at all. It. Is. Literally. All. About. The. Genes.

    I know one shouldn’t take any life lessons from fiction especially fiction that features dragons but as a fan of the Game of Thrones, I must.

    On the show bastards are seen as being born out of passion and the implication is that they are of bad blood, deficient. I know there are other reasons for how inheritance traditionally excluded bastards in real life but I wonder if this was part of the thinking as well? That kids born on the other side of the bed would be some what more chaotic, troublesome than those born on the right side.

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  28. @anon
    This might only be sort of tangentially related, but recently, watching old shows on MeTV, I've noticed that a lot of shows from the seventies would have a plot involving an ex-con working somewhere. The cop or detective or whoever would get indignant that someone would bring it up, and say that nobody should hold anything against a man who has "paid his debt to society".

    You'd hear it a lot, really, in the same way you hear that diversity is our strength. As though it was something that nobody really believed, but that the powers that be were attempting to drill it into the audience's heads.

    I grew up later, so I was indoctrinated into the idea that, if you ever wanted a job, you should have thought about that before you stole that candy bar as a kid. It was surprising to hear that it wasn't always that way.

    So I just wonder what was going on in the seventies that made that such an important idea.

    Also. I wonder if companies are hiring ex-cons now because they need to replace all the people they had to fire for anonymously posting racist memes on the internet.

    Jim Rockford from The Rockford Files was an ex-convict. He had been wrongfully convicted so he received a pardon. His prison buddy was played by Isaac Hayes. In one episode Jim helped him get on his feet after he was released from prison.

    In real life, actor Charles Dutton served time for manslaughter. He dropped out of middle school but eventually earned a master’s from the Yale School of Drama.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_S._Dutton

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  29. eah says:
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    The bifurcation dates to the Watergate coup.
    , @gunner29
    It splits in '74; that was the beginning of the malaise decade where the 'misery index' was created. Add unemployment percentage to inflation percentage to get the misery index.

    It took ten years after the end of the post war 30 year boom to work the excesses out of the world's economies. And like the Depression era peeps that were never going to take on debt or big risks with their money, if you bounced from one marginal job to another for those ten years, like I did, when the Reagan boom finally hit in '84, lots of peeps weren't that aggressive about agitating for higher wages and benefits.

    Because they remembered what it was like living paycheck to paycheck and always being worried about loosing their job. Because it had happened before, and it could happen again.

    So you kept your mouth shut and did the job.

    Of course the other big things that hit about then were Europe and Japan completely recovering from being bombed flat and were now competition instead of markets for everything the US made.

    And computers finally getting good enough and cheap enough that they could start putting robots in factories.

    UAW, United Auto Workers went from 1.6 million in '79 to .5 million in '83. That was closing plants and installing thousands of robots in the ones still open. So productivity went up and wages flat....
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    Despite all this, blacks will still hate Trump.

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  31. @eah

    The bifurcation dates to the Watergate coup.

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    After passage of Hart-Celler, I'm sure it took time for an 'economically critical mass' of immigrants to begin having an effect.
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  32. Maj. Kong says:
    @AnotherDad
    One thing about the "liberal"/"progressive"/anti-white/super-state ideology is that every little tidbit is a fact unto itself. The individual pieces never have to make any sense as any sort of coherent argument or ideology. Whatever is going on is simply cranked into the narrative in its own tiny little context.

    Ergo simultaneously
    tight labor market in the context of blacks and ex-cons --> good!
    tight labor market in the context of immigration --> crops rotting in the fields!

    simultaneously
    blacks oppressed by white teachers/standards in school system --> evil
    blacks not going to school with enough white kids --> evil

    simultaneously
    blacks moving into white neighborhoods --> diversity! great!
    blacks having to listen to white police officers --> racism! evil!

    simultaneously
    immigration is wonderful, the best thing ever!
    and yet all these things progressives claim to care about
    -- wages
    -- unemployment
    -- jobs for black people
    -- income inequality
    -- social cohesion
    -- status of women/"gender equity"/feminism
    -- LBGTQ tolerance/happy-think
    -- housing affordability
    -- congestion
    -- sprawl
    -- social cohesion/community
    -- good schools
    -- open space
    -- the environment
    -- overpopulation
    -- resource deletion
    -- habitat destruction
    -- global warming
    immigration makes worse.

    There is simply no need for any rational consistency. There is simply the narrative.

    There is an internal consistency to their thoughts.

    Remove the ancien regime of white Christian patriarchs.

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  33. Maj. Kong says:
    @Jesse
    Blacks are doing better on almost every metric (life expectancy, general health, literacy) since "liberation". There's nothing inherently "bad" about it. The real problem is that they're getting squeezed out, because dealing with them is so awkward. They're getting pushed out of the labor market, not by the welfare state, but by the millions of cheap pliable workers brought in specifically to crush them. They could do better, not great or even good but better in a system minus the millions of artificial competitors. The jobs would be more numerous, the wages would go up and the rents would be lower.

    But please, I'm begging you, let go of the whining about liberals and liberalization. Firstly, blacks will not adhere to white family norms, and it wouldn't do them any good even if it could happen. Secondly, yes, left wing social norms don't seem to work for people to the left hand side of the Bell Curve. But they do work well for those to the right of it, and those people don't want to live in a social system based on the needs of those who are beneath them. They'll go insane, and the prospect will drive smart non conservatives (and most white Americans are not, in fact, conservatives) away from shared goals like stopping immigration.

    But yes, social structures can help or hinder. But the social structures that help will be things like plenty of good jobs, a reasonable amount of second chances for screw ups, a closed border, reasonable rents, restricting the fertility of the worst of the worst...Guys, let go of the fantasy that you can make that Welfare Mom in the ghetto get married to at least one of her babies' fathers and things will magically get better, or that her kids will suddenly regress to a higher mean. It's embarrassing.

    But they do work well for those to the right of it, and those people don’t want to live in a social system based on the needs of those who are beneath them. They’ll go insane, and the prospect will drive smart non conservatives (and most white Americans are not, in fact, conservatives) away from shared goals like stopping immigration.

    The Dem candidate for President hasn’t won a majority of the white male vote since 1964.

    The white liberal minority and the Jewish liberal majority have cultural dominance over white conservatives. It is repugnant to the republican form of government to have Hollywood and Harvard being made of 90%+ leftists. That is a dominance they guard more jealously than any Klansman ever did in the Jim Crow era.

    I cannot see any evidence that feminism and gay pride have improved things for the right half of the bell curve. On every measure our civilization is headed for the exits. Liberalism has run riot for centuries, hollowing out what was once the greatest culture, its time to turn it back.

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  34. utu says:
    @Ivy
    Ex-con employees may yet be the farm team for the prisons, so growth isn't foregone. Imagine some SJW complaining about a wayward glance (or any excuse) from the new employee. That leads to a quick visit from the parole officer, then the poor con is off to another stretch of a few years for some trumped-up parole violation.

    Absolutely. The parole department enforcement policies are a valve that might be used to keep the incarceration rate at the desired level. If it drops and if it is not desirable it is very easy to to bring some parolees back to prison. There is no legal recourse for a parolee.

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  35. @Jesse
    "I expect that for nearly every metric, a married couple are better off than a single mother — this is very likely especially so for Blacks."

    No kidding. You're looking at people who are capable of getting and staying married, while comparing them to people who are not capable of those things. The marriage part reflects those differences; it doesn't cause them.

    I know this is very difficult for conservatives to understand, but at some point you need, desperately, to understand the difference between causation and correlation. You're not providing any real arguments.

    You could make sure that all parents get married, and the ones who are doing badly now would do just as badly if you made their parents sign the marriage certificate. The only difference would be if you somehow managed to stop the ones doing badly from breeding at all. It. Is. Literally. All. About. The. Genes.

    “You could make sure that all parents get married, and the ones who are doing badly now would do just as badly if you made their parents sign the marriage certificate. The only difference would be if you somehow managed to stop the ones doing badly from breeding at all. It. Is. Literally. All. About. The. Genes.”

    No, no, no. It is NOT all about the genes.

    Necessary (which genes are) does not equal sufficient.

    Iceland, one of the wealthiest and best-educated nations on earth, was a poor subsistence economy before WW2. Same genes. China was a starving peasant economy in 1957, now heading for world #1. Same genes.

    (Germany followed obediently a militaristic leader in 1930s, follows obediently a suicidal one in the 2010s. Same genes.)

    The underclass in the UK (which is what I know best) is directly descended from the respectable working class of the 1930s/40s/50s, although I’ll accept there have been some dysgenic effects over the last two welfare generations (many of the bad boys fathering multiple kids would simply not have been able to find a mate prior to the 1960s, when welfare was limited and bastardy a disgrace).

    The upper and middle classes still have huge power over the culture*, and hence the behaviour, of the population. The problem is that after the long march through the institutions, the rise to power of many whose interests are not aligned with those of the native population, and the demonisation (and worse) of those whose interests are so aligned, the messages, moral and physical**, that Fishtown gets are those which reinforce dysfunction.

    * Soccer fans now have no concern about 500 people chanting “you fat b*****d” at a slightly chunky opposition goalkeeper, but would be horrified if a single opposition fan shouted “you black b*****d” at their BME keeper. Fifty years back the ‘n-word’ was in frequent use to describe the (few) black players in the UK. This change didn’t happen spontaneously.

    ** 4 Somali girls beat a white girl unconscious, shouting “white b***h” – suspended sentences. A white Brit hangs bacon on a mosque door – six months, and he dies mysteriously in prison.
    Parents of girls being abused by Muslim gangs are threatened with prosecution for hate crime by police and social workers. Planning laws are enforced for householders, but ignored for travellers. I could go on.

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  36. eah says:
    @Desiderius
    The bifurcation dates to the Watergate coup.

    After passage of Hart-Celler, I’m sure it took time for an ‘economically critical mass’ of immigrants to begin having an effect.

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  37. @Dr. X

    A rapidly tightening labor market is forcing companies across the country to consider workers they once would have turned away.
     
    I'm hearing quite a lot about this "tight labor market," but I still see employers offering $11-12 an hour. Fifteen bucks an hour is a fortune where I live.

    This (http://freebeacon.com/politics/report-10-percent-of-amazons-ohio-workforce-on-food-stamps) says that 10% of Amazon’s Ohio employees get food stamps. Amazon says it pays $14.50 to start.

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  38. @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    Good observation. Another common narrative in the 60s and 70s was the belief that criminals could be rehabilitated while Incarcerated , learning naw skills and getting an education in prison in order to return to society as a productive citizen. The Film “a clockwork Orange” touches on an extreme version of rehabilitation in prison

    Well, Anthony Burgess’s 1962 novel (the English version, anyway) ends with Alex giving up a life of crime and contemplating a future in which he’s productive and married.

    The movie’s ending, though, makes it clear that Alex was back to his old ways (“I was cured, all right”).

    Interestingly, Kubrick had the insight in 1971 to make a movie in which it was clear that the British government paid thugs to do their dirty work.

    “Do I make myself clear, Alex?”
    “As an unwanted light, Fred. As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You can rely on me, Fred.”

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  39. gunner29 says:
    @eah

    It splits in ’74; that was the beginning of the malaise decade where the ‘misery index’ was created. Add unemployment percentage to inflation percentage to get the misery index.

    It took ten years after the end of the post war 30 year boom to work the excesses out of the world’s economies. And like the Depression era peeps that were never going to take on debt or big risks with their money, if you bounced from one marginal job to another for those ten years, like I did, when the Reagan boom finally hit in ’84, lots of peeps weren’t that aggressive about agitating for higher wages and benefits.

    Because they remembered what it was like living paycheck to paycheck and always being worried about loosing their job. Because it had happened before, and it could happen again.

    So you kept your mouth shut and did the job.

    Of course the other big things that hit about then were Europe and Japan completely recovering from being bombed flat and were now competition instead of markets for everything the US made.

    And computers finally getting good enough and cheap enough that they could start putting robots in factories.

    UAW, United Auto Workers went from 1.6 million in ’79 to .5 million in ’83. That was closing plants and installing thousands of robots in the ones still open. So productivity went up and wages flat….

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