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From the New York Times:

Where Did All the Black Teachers Go?
Editorial Observer
By BRENT STAPLES APRIL 20, 2017

… States and localities with significant black populations are beginning to recognize the whiteness of the teacher corps as an obstacle to student achievement. At the same time, statistics show that districts are doing a miserable job of retaining teachers of color and that more leave the field each year than enter it. A 2016 report by the Education Trust shows why. Among other things, African-Americans interested in teaching black students find they are steered into positions where they teach only black students. The same teachers complain of being pigeonholed as disciplinarians, their other talents rendered invisible.

In the NYT, use of the word “whiteness” correlates highly with anti-white attitudes and anti-white initiatives. The word “whiteness” in the NYT is more or less intended as a racial slur.

 
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  1. 2Mintzin1 says:

    “States and localities with significant black populations are beginning to recognize the whiteness of the teacher corps as an obstacle to student achievement. ”

    “Among other things, African-Americans interested in teaching black students find they are steered into positions where they teach only black students. ”

    Am I missing something, or is there a contradiction here?

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    • Agree: jimbojones
    • Replies: @San Fernando Curt
    Don't really think white students need black teachers. If they're anything like black students, it's better if we all teach your own. No offense, you understand.
    , @PSR
    No, you're not missing anything except leftist groupthink blinders.
    , @Mr. Blank
    The teachers are saying they don't want to be typecast as The Teacher Who Handles Those Troublesome Black Kids. It's not an unreasonable gripe. A lot of black people hate it when they start at a new job and suddenly get promoted to Vice President of Black Stuff.
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  2. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Didn’t you blog about another op/ed where someone claimed black students need black teachers? And now Staples says black teachers resent being steered to teach black students?

    Whoever wrote that diversity tax post needs to update it.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Danged if you do, danged if you don't.
    , @bomag

    And now Staples says black teachers resent being steered to teach black students?
     
    I suppose it is part of the "code".

    People go into teaching assuming they will be tapped to teach the happy, shining people.

    If they announce that they are willing to teach the less than happy, shining people; they mean that they are willing to do, maybe, one or two classes a day. It's emotional labor, man! Who can be expected to do it full time?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    dave, The NYT is the print equivalent of a bad FM radio station where the music is on a loop. Wait a bit and the same overplayed story comes around again.
  3. Sean says:

    They went for much better jobs. A black who can become a teacher can reasonably aim much higher now.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Sean, I won't disagree but teaching isn't a bad job once you've established yourself. Very good pay for 184 7 hour days. Usually great benefits with little contribution from the teacher and a nice retirement package. Not true in all the states of course but usually true in the northeast, especially NY.
    , @Baltimore teacher
    I teach in a school that is 2/3 black and the teaching staff is 75% white and Asian (mostly Indian or Filipino). This is not unusual in our district. As others have surmised, affirmative action has played a part. Much easier to become an administrator or work at the district office if you're black. Also much easier to get into grad school after your TFA time is up. Test scores and grades that would be wholly noncompetitive for whites it Asians will get you into U of Maryland or better.

    Whites and Asians are also much more likely to value the teaching schedule bc most are married with kids and there are many teacher couples or teacher/professor type couples. People in this situation are much less likely to leave teaching.

    Lastly, financial stability pays a big role. $80k (our city schools avg for mid career people) is not crazy money, but if you are responsible it should be easy to get by and save money. This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers--always buying new cars, new electronics, mortgaged to the hilt, child support, etc. But 2 teachers making $160k with fully paid HC and pension isn't bad for 40 weeks in the classroom each yr.
    , @Thea
    I had a couple of good teachers who happened to be black growing up. None of them talked about Blackety black black all day so that helped.

    Today, I assume such teachers merely accessed Affirmative Action to get their positions. Sad.
    , @The Alarmist
    If you are a fairly literate and well spoken person of colour, you can easily land a corporate diversity officer job that pays well into six figures ... bonus points if you are female, trifecta if you are also gay, perfecta if you are post-op transgender.
  4. Yes, I’m completely confused now.

    Weren’t we told that only black teachers can teach black kids?

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Shouting, Correct, until they are actually confronted with all the problems that come with trying to teach black students. Then they bail.
    , @Baltimore teacher
    Some of my classes (the tougher ones) seem to value blackness/black culture over virtually anything else in life. Many of my black students have never gone far outside their own part of the city. They listen primarily to Baltimore rappers. Their media of choice is social media, not tv--things going on outside their immediate vicinity barely register with them. They tend to be very homophobic and racist against non-AAs including Caribbean and African immigrants (we have a significant % of both and they tend to be excellent students and athletes).

    My non black students seen to value teaching ability very highly and not care much about race in a teacher.

    Any school event ends up being pretty segregated, with AAs doing one thing and everyone else, inc non-native blacks, doing another. For example at lunch, you'll have many tables that are black only. The rest of the tables are very diverse and integrated between Latino/Asian/white/middle Eastern including the immigrant blacks and the higher according/less insular blacks.
    , @Pat Boyle
    The idea that only blacks can teach blacks is a 'just so' story. It is an explanation crafted after the fact.

    In the fifties and the sixties the theory was that we needed to acculturate blacks by letting them interact with the whites from the dominant culture. I was a public social worker for a couple years in the San Francisco of the sixties.

    The official liberal dogma at the time was that blacks had been separated from mainstream society and that was why they were so backward. Lots of nice white girls just out of college would go to a poor black home and show them a better way to live. Or at least that was the theory.

    Home visits from your white social worker didn't seem to work so they were cut out. Similarly black school achievement was supposedly improved when black kids were around whites. That after all was the theory behind bussing. But we couldn't just cut out all teaching to blacks - could we?

    But switching the teachers from black to white - as was done with school integration - didn't work. Black students still did poorly. And then later when we switched from white teachers back to black that didn't work either. No teachers of any color can make black kids learn as well as white or Asian kids.

    So far no one has a method by which blacks learn as well as whites - but as long as their is lots of tax money available - someone will propose a new theory.
  5. OT from Paris, France

    The reasons, that continually renew themselves and which in November 2015 led to the declaration of the state of emergency about all of France, which was prolonged only three months after for an indefinite time, have, as it looks today in Paris on the Champs Elysées, renewed themselves again: One suspect shot dead, one policemen killed, two severely wounded.

    This happened, after a terrorist attack on presidential candidate Fillon could be neutalized in the last moment – almost exactly what has happened in the case of a planned attack on an unnamed candidate for the French presidential elections in Nizza, as the French public was informed on a press conference held by government officials on Tuesday.

    All these events seem to have an Islamic background.

    “We have in France about hundred quarters, that resemble (Bruxelles islamic terroist hideaway, DK) Molenbeek”, said French Secretary for Urban Development, Patrick Kanner, in April 2016.

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Europe has terminally lost its way. Why do you care? It's choosing to kill itself. Not my problem, not our problem, not America's problem. If they want to turn their nations into open air markets for Islam, good for them!

    Focus on what we can control in our country.
    , @Broski
    Le Pen's luck.
  6. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Didn't you blog about another op/ed where someone claimed black students need black teachers? And now Staples says black teachers resent being steered to teach black students?

    Whoever wrote that diversity tax post needs to update it.

    Danged if you do, danged if you don’t.

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  7. @2Mintzin1
    "States and localities with significant black populations are beginning to recognize the whiteness of the teacher corps as an obstacle to student achievement. "

    "Among other things, African-Americans interested in teaching black students find they are steered into positions where they teach only black students. "


    Am I missing something, or is there a contradiction here?

    Don’t really think white students need black teachers. If they’re anything like black students, it’s better if we all teach your own. No offense, you understand.

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  8. These things seem to have almost disappeared:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_school

    Just like insane asylums the inmates have been released. So…

    Different times, different culture:

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    anony-mouse:

    It gets even better in NYC, our current mayor Bill Deblasio plans to release 5,000 prisoners into the streets, and have another 5,00o incarcerated in jails newly-built in the preditors' neighborhoods.

    All this untrammeled do-goodism will ensure a return to Bonfire of Vanities Crime Rates!
  9. Barnard says:

    The education establishment is going on 50 years of making up excuses to explain away the achievement gap and justify why they need just a little more money to finally solve it once and for all. Are there any limits to their creativity? I wonder if they will circle back to some of their old excuses after enough time passes.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The education establishment is going on 50 years of making up excuses
     
    They have money to sponsor political candidates. They do not care about education, regardless of race. They are pimps, the recipients of their largesse are whores.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Barnard, Do you know what a Mobius band is? That is the apt description of the American educational system, an never ending loop.
  10. bomag says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Didn't you blog about another op/ed where someone claimed black students need black teachers? And now Staples says black teachers resent being steered to teach black students?

    Whoever wrote that diversity tax post needs to update it.

    And now Staples says black teachers resent being steered to teach black students?

    I suppose it is part of the “code”.

    People go into teaching assuming they will be tapped to teach the happy, shining people.

    If they announce that they are willing to teach the less than happy, shining people; they mean that they are willing to do, maybe, one or two classes a day. It’s emotional labor, man! Who can be expected to do it full time?

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    • Replies: @anon

    It’s emotional labor, man! Who can be expected to do it full time?
     
    I realize it has become trendy around these parts to mock the phrase "emotional labor". But if spending all day, every day with a bunch of ghetto teens isn't precisely that, I don't know what is.

    The blacks that get college degrees are trying to move up in the world and I fully understand their not wanting to be pigeon-holed professionally. Same situation with cops. Perhaps some kind of balance would be acceptable?

  11. Dr. X says:

    The blatant anti-white bigotry and naked hypocrisy of the NYT is breathtaking.

    Can anyone even imagine them printing an article stating “The Jewishness of the press corps is an obstacle” to reporting the truth”?

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    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Look at the bright side, people say it all the time on Unz.com

    When white teachers are refused jobs, I can promise you Jewish teachers won't be able to save their careers by saying, "I'm not White, I'm Jewish, just ask Richard Spencer or David Duke."
  12. Well, now that other gov’t jobs are open to them, they’re flocking to them. Why deal with punk kids when you can lord it over people at the DMV?

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  13. PSR says:
    @2Mintzin1
    "States and localities with significant black populations are beginning to recognize the whiteness of the teacher corps as an obstacle to student achievement. "

    "Among other things, African-Americans interested in teaching black students find they are steered into positions where they teach only black students. "


    Am I missing something, or is there a contradiction here?

    No, you’re not missing anything except leftist groupthink blinders.

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  14. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @bomag

    And now Staples says black teachers resent being steered to teach black students?
     
    I suppose it is part of the "code".

    People go into teaching assuming they will be tapped to teach the happy, shining people.

    If they announce that they are willing to teach the less than happy, shining people; they mean that they are willing to do, maybe, one or two classes a day. It's emotional labor, man! Who can be expected to do it full time?

    It’s emotional labor, man! Who can be expected to do it full time?

    I realize it has become trendy around these parts to mock the phrase “emotional labor”. But if spending all day, every day with a bunch of ghetto teens isn’t precisely that, I don’t know what is.

    The blacks that get college degrees are trying to move up in the world and I fully understand their not wanting to be pigeon-holed professionally. Same situation with cops. Perhaps some kind of balance would be acceptable?

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    • Agree: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @bomag

    Perhaps some kind of balance would be acceptable?
     
    I'm all for negotiation and compromise, but we get little good faith from the other side. They are, largely, dictating terms.

    And I agree that teaching ghetto youth is a modern day Verdun; our "generals" are throwing people into a grinder. There are many better ideas out there.
    , @Bill
    How about blacks teach blacks exclusively. For balance, they can organize that activity however they want, including by warehousing most black students and making no effort to teach them at all. Emotional labor mitigated!
  15. inertial says:

    Pigeonholing black teachers as disciplinarians is bad! Only white teachers should punish black kids. No, wait, that not good either. Oh, I have an idea. The best solution to this conundrum is – no discipline at all!

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Pigeonholing black teachers as disciplinarians is bad!
     
    Adrian Peterson and Michael Vick have given black disciplinary methods a bad name.
  16. @Dave Pinsen
    Didn't you blog about another op/ed where someone claimed black students need black teachers? And now Staples says black teachers resent being steered to teach black students?

    Whoever wrote that diversity tax post needs to update it.

    dave, The NYT is the print equivalent of a bad FM radio station where the music is on a loop. Wait a bit and the same overplayed story comes around again.

    Read More
  17. @Shouting Thomas
    Yes, I'm completely confused now.

    Weren't we told that only black teachers can teach black kids?

    Shouting, Correct, until they are actually confronted with all the problems that come with trying to teach black students. Then they bail.

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  18. Arclight says:

    Always a new excuse – one group of progressives says blacks need black teachers, another says they need to be in white-majority schools, another says they need to have an Afro-centric curriculum to keep them engaged, yet another says you can’t expect blacks to sit still, be quiet or speak correctly because it’s not their culture.

    It all adds up to the left admitting one way or another that they are totally baffled about what to do with the most troubled part of their base after years of promising this or that solution will turn everything around – but it never does. So naturally it must be blamed on a different group in society or phenomena like “privilege” because the left sincerely believes that of all the people on Earth who have ever faced obstacles to freedom or success, American blacks are uniquely incapable of helping themselves.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Ivy
    The dueling groups may represent a stage (denial?, bargaining, etc) in the Kubler-Ross 5-Step cycle. That might be an endgame, although they have teased us before and then gone off on other tangents.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Puts one in mind of the climax of "Gee Officer Krupke".
    The trouble is he's lazy
    The trouble is he drinks
    The trouble is he's crazy
    The trouble is he stinks
    The trouble is he's growing
    The trouble is he's grown...
    Uh Oh have I just done racism...
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Arclight, You nailed it when you said this is their "base." They built on this shit foundation and they are stuck with it. They need the votes.
  19. the word “whiteness” in the NYT is more or less intended as a racial slur.

    Where do you get the ‘less’ here?

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  20. @Sean
    They went for much better jobs. A black who can become a teacher can reasonably aim much higher now.

    Sean, I won’t disagree but teaching isn’t a bad job once you’ve established yourself. Very good pay for 184 7 hour days. Usually great benefits with little contribution from the teacher and a nice retirement package. Not true in all the states of course but usually true in the northeast, especially NY.

    Read More
  21. @Barnard
    The education establishment is going on 50 years of making up excuses to explain away the achievement gap and justify why they need just a little more money to finally solve it once and for all. Are there any limits to their creativity? I wonder if they will circle back to some of their old excuses after enough time passes.

    The education establishment is going on 50 years of making up excuses

    They have money to sponsor political candidates. They do not care about education, regardless of race. They are pimps, the recipients of their largesse are whores.

    Read More
  22. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Yet another example of the goodthinkers’ complete conditioning at this late stage rendering them incapable of even thinking certain things; in this case, the headline and their concern should be why aren’t blacks proving capable and willing teachers? This plays out over and over again, particularly with blacks but also the other major minorities and women, where mediocrity, failure or simple lack of interest in a field (as we’ve seen they’re even coming after hobbies) on the part of presumed victims is deemed a priori evidence of bias that can only be corrected with more laws, programs; everything is rammed into the Narrate 0 Matic and comes out gravy for the activist class.

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  23. Yak-15 says:
    @Dieter Kief
    OT from Paris, France

    The reasons, that continually renew themselves and which in November 2015 led to the declaration of the state of emergency about all of France, which was prolonged only three months after for an indefinite time, have, as it looks today in Paris on the Champs Elysées, renewed themselves again: One suspect shot dead, one policemen killed, two severely wounded.

    This happened, after a terrorist attack on presidential candidate Fillon could be neutalized in the last moment - almost exactly what has happened in the case of a planned attack on an unnamed candidate for the French presidential elections in Nizza, as the French public was informed on a press conference held by government officials on Tuesday.

    All these events seem to have an Islamic background.

    "We have in France about hundred quarters, that resemble (Bruxelles islamic terroist hideaway, DK) Molenbeek", said French Secretary for Urban Development, Patrick Kanner, in April 2016.

    Europe has terminally lost its way. Why do you care? It’s choosing to kill itself. Not my problem, not our problem, not America’s problem. If they want to turn their nations into open air markets for Islam, good for them!

    Focus on what we can control in our country.

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    • Agree: Kevin C.
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Europe has terminally lost its way. Why do you care?
     
    I look upon such phenomenons as the one I described above in France right now as huge scale social experminents, which nobody could pay to set up - not even if a really rich university would share the cost and sell the publishing rights to Hollywood or something like this - uhh - but you can sort of read/decipher them (those big scale social experiments) and draw conclusions from them - and maybe learn from them - practically for free. And I do think we still can learn from them.

    Plus - I, as a German may I add, love France - not only Montaingne and Chamfort, Diderot, Chopin, Molière (sigh - his play Le Malade Imaginaire (The Imaginary Invalid)) is one of the ... best plays ever! - it should be taught in medical school, including the fact, that Molière wrote it, when being terminally ill - and died on stage, playing (!) the Imaginary Invalid - now, I mean: That's the best combination of humor and wisdom and artist's courage I've ever come across!). Ok, then there are the photographers Ronis and Atget and painters Renoir and Corot and...I love to visit France. The rural south - - - the Cévennes, the Massif Céntral - bikers heaven, really. Burgundy. The Loire. The French Jura. And that is all until now pretty much intact. And the shere beauty of it... The north is good too, but cities like Lille start to get frightening. No go areas, where the locals urge you to walk around - in bright daylight. And areas with pretty poor white folks, which have lost all their charme.

  24. @Sean
    They went for much better jobs. A black who can become a teacher can reasonably aim much higher now.

    I teach in a school that is 2/3 black and the teaching staff is 75% white and Asian (mostly Indian or Filipino). This is not unusual in our district. As others have surmised, affirmative action has played a part. Much easier to become an administrator or work at the district office if you’re black. Also much easier to get into grad school after your TFA time is up. Test scores and grades that would be wholly noncompetitive for whites it Asians will get you into U of Maryland or better.

    Whites and Asians are also much more likely to value the teaching schedule bc most are married with kids and there are many teacher couples or teacher/professor type couples. People in this situation are much less likely to leave teaching.

    Lastly, financial stability pays a big role. $80k (our city schools avg for mid career people) is not crazy money, but if you are responsible it should be easy to get by and save money. This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers–always buying new cars, new electronics, mortgaged to the hilt, child support, etc. But 2 teachers making $160k with fully paid HC and pension isn’t bad for 40 weeks in the classroom each yr.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    BALTIMORE??
    Run away!Run away!
    , @David Davenport
    This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers

    At least one Baltimore teacher lacks or tends to lack skill in English grammar.
    , @CalSTRS member

    fully paid HC and pension
     
    Is that the East Coast norm? In California, Jerry Brown increased the employees/members contributions for pension to 10.25% from 8% a few years back. The employee contribution to HC in term of premium/co-pay had also being raised with each new contracts in most districts.
  25. The whiteness of the teacher’s corpse is an obstacle to attract a new teacher to the same school.

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    • Replies: @Baltimore teacher
    The whiteness of the teaching corps at a certain school is well known within any district. It translates to competence being valued. Black teachers will vouch for this in private, even if publicly they not along at articles like the current example.

    Schools that are overturning black and have mostly or only black teachers are generally not good places to work and often reflect and administration that is not objective in teacher evaluation (which matters in cities like mine that base pay on formal observation scores by administrators).
  26. kihowi says:

    Let me translate that.

    We’re worried that if white children are among their own people they might experience a sense of safety and belonging. When surrounded by strangers they’ll feel alienated and vulnerable, which is what we want.

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    • Agree: 27 year old
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Let me translate that: We’re worried that if white children are among their own people they might experience a sense of safety and belonging. When surrounded by strangers they’ll feel alienated and vulnerable, which is what we want."

    Aye.
  27. Patriot says:

    African-Americans need to get educated in Sub Sahara Africa, where they can be free of White teachers and White People.

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  28. @Shouting Thomas
    Yes, I'm completely confused now.

    Weren't we told that only black teachers can teach black kids?

    Some of my classes (the tougher ones) seem to value blackness/black culture over virtually anything else in life. Many of my black students have never gone far outside their own part of the city. They listen primarily to Baltimore rappers. Their media of choice is social media, not tv–things going on outside their immediate vicinity barely register with them. They tend to be very homophobic and racist against non-AAs including Caribbean and African immigrants (we have a significant % of both and they tend to be excellent students and athletes).

    My non black students seen to value teaching ability very highly and not care much about race in a teacher.

    Any school event ends up being pretty segregated, with AAs doing one thing and everyone else, inc non-native blacks, doing another. For example at lunch, you’ll have many tables that are black only. The rest of the tables are very diverse and integrated between Latino/Asian/white/middle Eastern including the immigrant blacks and the higher according/less insular blacks.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Baltimore Teacher, the self segregation by black students that you describe was the subject of a book by Beverly Tatum, aptly named, "Why are all the Black Students Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?"
    , @Ivy
    Have you seen much evidence of a drift into an oral culture, where literacy and numeracy seem to be in danger of fading away? That has been my concern with the focus on rap to the exclusion of other methods of gaining or exchanging information. That type of oral drift would represent a setback for ongoing civilization, and would seem to be self-defeating and isolationist.
    , @Ed
    It's very odd to me that African-American leaders can't see how the cultural degradation of AAs is a bad thing.
    , @Bill

    The rest of the tables are very diverse and integrated between Latino/Asian/white/middle Eastern including the immigrant blacks and the higher according/less insular blacks.
     
    Is the school majority AA?
  29. Ivy says:
    @Arclight
    Always a new excuse - one group of progressives says blacks need black teachers, another says they need to be in white-majority schools, another says they need to have an Afro-centric curriculum to keep them engaged, yet another says you can't expect blacks to sit still, be quiet or speak correctly because it's not their culture.

    It all adds up to the left admitting one way or another that they are totally baffled about what to do with the most troubled part of their base after years of promising this or that solution will turn everything around - but it never does. So naturally it must be blamed on a different group in society or phenomena like "privilege" because the left sincerely believes that of all the people on Earth who have ever faced obstacles to freedom or success, American blacks are uniquely incapable of helping themselves.

    The dueling groups may represent a stage (denial?, bargaining, etc) in the Kubler-Ross 5-Step cycle. That might be an endgame, although they have teased us before and then gone off on other tangents.

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    • Replies: @Arclight
    It will never stop - blacks voting 90% Democratic is essential for the party to win national elections, and they aren't going to be even slightly critical of a group that they need that badly. They will (and do) blame the people that tend to vote for the other party.
  30. @Jack Chick's Dick
    The whiteness of the teacher's corpse is an obstacle to attract a new teacher to the same school.

    The whiteness of the teaching corps at a certain school is well known within any district. It translates to competence being valued. Black teachers will vouch for this in private, even if publicly they not along at articles like the current example.

    Schools that are overturning black and have mostly or only black teachers are generally not good places to work and often reflect and administration that is not objective in teacher evaluation (which matters in cities like mine that base pay on formal observation scores by administrators).

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  31. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The problem for many black teachers teaching black students is the constant daily reminder of why, when a black teacher hails a cab, the cabs pass him/her by. Being around the students daily contradicts their semi-religious inner narrative identifying cab drivers as irrational, and bigoted, while introducing the reality that the cab drivers are only trying to avoid violence and/or loss of income from the overrepresented savage class of blacks, who so predominate black culture:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5fe_1492728031

    If you were a generally intelligent, goal-oriented black person, would you want to be reminded on a daily basis that no matter how hard you work, no matter how hard you try, you’ll always be followed around in expensive department stores till the day you die, thanks to the culture of the aimless, brainless louts sitting before you in your classroom?

    That’s got to be, at least depressing, if not emotionally disorienting.

    Teacher’s working with black students are at risk for PTSD, just like the police, and the results sometimes aren’t very pretty.

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  32. Praxis tests are a big barrier to black teachers. There are few black secondary science or math teachers in my city but many black elementary, English, and SS teachers. ETS would probably not release the figures by race (??) but I imagine the pass rates on chemistry and physics (required subjects in MD HS) are very low for blacks. Biology is easier but I still very the black pass rate is pretty low.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Teacher tests have been made harder over the last 20 years or so, which is why public school teacher ranks are still so white. A lot of people would like to start World War Teacher to take the jobs of the nice white lady teachers, but they haven't quite figured out the right tactics. But you can see the momentum gathering with this one study about how black youths do better with black teachers. (I don't know if it has been replicated or not.)
  33. Broski says:
    @Dieter Kief
    OT from Paris, France

    The reasons, that continually renew themselves and which in November 2015 led to the declaration of the state of emergency about all of France, which was prolonged only three months after for an indefinite time, have, as it looks today in Paris on the Champs Elysées, renewed themselves again: One suspect shot dead, one policemen killed, two severely wounded.

    This happened, after a terrorist attack on presidential candidate Fillon could be neutalized in the last moment - almost exactly what has happened in the case of a planned attack on an unnamed candidate for the French presidential elections in Nizza, as the French public was informed on a press conference held by government officials on Tuesday.

    All these events seem to have an Islamic background.

    "We have in France about hundred quarters, that resemble (Bruxelles islamic terroist hideaway, DK) Molenbeek", said French Secretary for Urban Development, Patrick Kanner, in April 2016.

    Le Pen’s luck.

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  34. @Baltimore teacher
    Praxis tests are a big barrier to black teachers. There are few black secondary science or math teachers in my city but many black elementary, English, and SS teachers. ETS would probably not release the figures by race (??) but I imagine the pass rates on chemistry and physics (required subjects in MD HS) are very low for blacks. Biology is easier but I still very the black pass rate is pretty low.

    Teacher tests have been made harder over the last 20 years or so, which is why public school teacher ranks are still so white. A lot of people would like to start World War Teacher to take the jobs of the nice white lady teachers, but they haven’t quite figured out the right tactics. But you can see the momentum gathering with this one study about how black youths do better with black teachers. (I don’t know if it has been replicated or not.)

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    The Democrats would find it much harder to win without the financial and organizational muscle of the teachers union. The left worldwide has known this ever since Jules Ferry seized control of the schools from the Church.

    Alienate the NWLs and say hello to swing state Illinois, and permanent GOP rule in the Midwest.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, they will push out the Nice Old White Lady Teachers (NOWLT) by making the classrooms an absolute hellhole of physical and verbal abuse. You already see countless stories and studies on how black students are "over" disciplined and suspended from school. As soon as the classroom becomes a MMA Octagon, the battered NOWLTs will flee or take an early pension. Young white girls will be steered away from teaching. The reason: powerful teachers' unions find that blacks are easy to lead, even when you give them positions of importance , not actual power. They become a controllable voting bloc. The leaders of the national teachers union get great paychecks and have disproportionate power in politics. "But it's for the children" is a mighty sledge hammer.
  35. SFG says:

    I suspect a little of the subtext here (as with ‘Waiting for Superman’ a while ago) is that given the general decline of the economy, at least below the 90th percentile or so, safe but moderate-paying jobs like education tend to become more desirable. So you’re going to see articles like this so minorities get their share of the teacher slots, just like feminists started attacking tech when they realized one of the few booming industries had very few women in it.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    SFG, A teacher in my WNY school district at the 95 percentile will earn $94k plus benefits.
  36. Tarrou says:

    If I can disentangle……

    1: We need more black teachers, because black kids won’t learn from non-blacks

    2: Black teachers are relatively rare, and hate having to deal with black kids

    3: White teachers know they can’t punish black kids without holy racism hell being raised, so they try to get the black teachers to do all the dirty work of discipline.

    4: Clearly, black kids need no discipline, so this is racist.

    Really, there’s only one solution. All public schoolteachers have to be black.

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  37. @Baltimore teacher
    Some of my classes (the tougher ones) seem to value blackness/black culture over virtually anything else in life. Many of my black students have never gone far outside their own part of the city. They listen primarily to Baltimore rappers. Their media of choice is social media, not tv--things going on outside their immediate vicinity barely register with them. They tend to be very homophobic and racist against non-AAs including Caribbean and African immigrants (we have a significant % of both and they tend to be excellent students and athletes).

    My non black students seen to value teaching ability very highly and not care much about race in a teacher.

    Any school event ends up being pretty segregated, with AAs doing one thing and everyone else, inc non-native blacks, doing another. For example at lunch, you'll have many tables that are black only. The rest of the tables are very diverse and integrated between Latino/Asian/white/middle Eastern including the immigrant blacks and the higher according/less insular blacks.

    Baltimore Teacher, the self segregation by black students that you describe was the subject of a book by Beverly Tatum, aptly named, “Why are all the Black Students Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?”

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    • Replies: @Baltimore teacher
    I'm familiar with the book but the book does not go far enough or explain enough IMO.

    It's not merely that black students associate overwhelmingly ONLY with other black students. It's that all the other groups we have (all types of asians, latinos, middle easterners, non-AA blacks, poor whites) intermix at a very high rate. There is no "white table" and there are basically no "mexican" tables. It's more like "AA" and "non-AA". The newly arrived immigrant blacks are pretty strongly anti-AA for the most part. It's sad and yet makes perfect sense.
  38. @SFG
    I suspect a little of the subtext here (as with 'Waiting for Superman' a while ago) is that given the general decline of the economy, at least below the 90th percentile or so, safe but moderate-paying jobs like education tend to become more desirable. So you're going to see articles like this so minorities get their share of the teacher slots, just like feminists started attacking tech when they realized one of the few booming industries had very few women in it.

    SFG, A teacher in my WNY school district at the 95 percentile will earn $94k plus benefits.

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    A few years ago a NYC public school teacher called the Suze Orman show to ask if she could afford a lakeside condo in upstate NY. It seems that the woman was about to retire at age 60, and her Social Security would not kick in for another 6 years, so her income after retirement would therefore drop temporarily to her $108k a year pension, and she didn't think she could maintain her lifestyle in the Big Apple on that kind of money.
  39. bomag says:
    @anon

    It’s emotional labor, man! Who can be expected to do it full time?
     
    I realize it has become trendy around these parts to mock the phrase "emotional labor". But if spending all day, every day with a bunch of ghetto teens isn't precisely that, I don't know what is.

    The blacks that get college degrees are trying to move up in the world and I fully understand their not wanting to be pigeon-holed professionally. Same situation with cops. Perhaps some kind of balance would be acceptable?

    Perhaps some kind of balance would be acceptable?

    I’m all for negotiation and compromise, but we get little good faith from the other side. They are, largely, dictating terms.

    And I agree that teaching ghetto youth is a modern day Verdun; our “generals” are throwing people into a grinder. There are many better ideas out there.

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    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur

    I’m all for negotiation and compromise, but we get little good faith from the other side.
     
    Yes, there's no compromise on affirmative action. It's an anti-White (and often anti-Asian) modern version of Jim Crow. The only question is whether "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." was an honest plea or a bait and switch.
  40. Arclight says:
    @Ivy
    The dueling groups may represent a stage (denial?, bargaining, etc) in the Kubler-Ross 5-Step cycle. That might be an endgame, although they have teased us before and then gone off on other tangents.

    It will never stop – blacks voting 90% Democratic is essential for the party to win national elections, and they aren’t going to be even slightly critical of a group that they need that badly. They will (and do) blame the people that tend to vote for the other party.

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  41. @Buffalo Joe
    Baltimore Teacher, the self segregation by black students that you describe was the subject of a book by Beverly Tatum, aptly named, "Why are all the Black Students Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?"

    I’m familiar with the book but the book does not go far enough or explain enough IMO.

    It’s not merely that black students associate overwhelmingly ONLY with other black students. It’s that all the other groups we have (all types of asians, latinos, middle easterners, non-AA blacks, poor whites) intermix at a very high rate. There is no “white table” and there are basically no “mexican” tables. It’s more like “AA” and “non-AA”. The newly arrived immigrant blacks are pretty strongly anti-AA for the most part. It’s sad and yet makes perfect sense.

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    • Replies: @newrouter
    "It’s more like “AA” and “non-AA”. "

    grifters got to grift
  42. countenance says: • Website

    Where did all the black teachers go?

    Remember, we all want GREAT teachers for black students.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Remember, we all want GREAT teachers for black students.
     
    Not just GREAT. They must all be Superman. They must bestride the Globe as Titans! They must be the Kwisatz Haderach.

    Anything less would be soft expectation of low racism. Or something.

  43. newrouter says:
    @Baltimore teacher
    I'm familiar with the book but the book does not go far enough or explain enough IMO.

    It's not merely that black students associate overwhelmingly ONLY with other black students. It's that all the other groups we have (all types of asians, latinos, middle easterners, non-AA blacks, poor whites) intermix at a very high rate. There is no "white table" and there are basically no "mexican" tables. It's more like "AA" and "non-AA". The newly arrived immigrant blacks are pretty strongly anti-AA for the most part. It's sad and yet makes perfect sense.

    “It’s more like “AA” and “non-AA”. ”

    grifters got to grift

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  44. Thea says:
    @Sean
    They went for much better jobs. A black who can become a teacher can reasonably aim much higher now.

    I had a couple of good teachers who happened to be black growing up. None of them talked about Blackety black black all day so that helped.

    Today, I assume such teachers merely accessed Affirmative Action to get their positions. Sad.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    Growing up in the South one generation removed from segregation, there was always a noticeable difference in quality between older and younger black teachers.

    The older ones, who'd entered the profession during segregation, tended to be excellent, though rough around the edges. The younger ones were far more polished but noticeably dimmer and frequently incompetent. I assume this was part of the legacy of affirmative action.
    , @oddsbodkins
    You just deployed 'happens to be black' on Sailer's blog! I'm assuming that your deprogramming is incomplete.

    https://youtu.be/ttUvsrcxKmI
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I had a couple of good teachers who happened to be black growing up.
     
    What color are they now?
    , @Almost Missouri
    Two of my best grade school teachers were black. Neither of them talked about blackety-black either.

    My worst grade school teacher was also black. She did talk about blackety-black all day. Weird coincidence, I know. In spite of her terrible teaching, her class was an informative window into the paranoia, scapegoating, counter-logic and general dysfunction of contemporary black culture. It was also a lesson in the odd way that my black classmates, most of whom I had known most of my life to be largely indifferent to race questions, would suddenly and unapologetically line up to man the race barricades when this teacher blew her blackety-black horn.

    Being a highly visible minority in a majority black neighborhood, this had certain, um ... implications, not entirely lost on my grade school mind.

  45. Ivy says:
    @Baltimore teacher
    Some of my classes (the tougher ones) seem to value blackness/black culture over virtually anything else in life. Many of my black students have never gone far outside their own part of the city. They listen primarily to Baltimore rappers. Their media of choice is social media, not tv--things going on outside their immediate vicinity barely register with them. They tend to be very homophobic and racist against non-AAs including Caribbean and African immigrants (we have a significant % of both and they tend to be excellent students and athletes).

    My non black students seen to value teaching ability very highly and not care much about race in a teacher.

    Any school event ends up being pretty segregated, with AAs doing one thing and everyone else, inc non-native blacks, doing another. For example at lunch, you'll have many tables that are black only. The rest of the tables are very diverse and integrated between Latino/Asian/white/middle Eastern including the immigrant blacks and the higher according/less insular blacks.

    Have you seen much evidence of a drift into an oral culture, where literacy and numeracy seem to be in danger of fading away? That has been my concern with the focus on rap to the exclusion of other methods of gaining or exchanging information. That type of oral drift would represent a setback for ongoing civilization, and would seem to be self-defeating and isolationist.

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    • Replies: @Baltimore teacher
    Yes, the ability to read and think critically, especially when it involves data or concepts such as quantities of time or percentages, is nearly zero in the most isolated AA students. The very idea that these skills relate to "real life" is lost on them. Many (nearly all) of their parents think they should pass just for showing up.

    Likewise, the idea that a mere 10-20 miles up I-95 there are **entire schools** filled with students who can compare prokaryotes and eukaryotes or find the molecular mass of C2H6 is unreal to them.

    On the other hand, they can repeat every line from a newly released rap song and will compete with each other to see who can do the best version. All in the same period they write a 2 sentence answer to a full-page essay question.

  46. @Dr. X
    The blatant anti-white bigotry and naked hypocrisy of the NYT is breathtaking.

    Can anyone even imagine them printing an article stating "The Jewishness of the press corps is an obstacle" to reporting the truth"?

    Look at the bright side, people say it all the time on Unz.com

    When white teachers are refused jobs, I can promise you Jewish teachers won’t be able to save their careers by saying, “I’m not White, I’m Jewish, just ask Richard Spencer or David Duke.”

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    When white teachers are refused jobs, I can promise you Jewish teachers won’t be able to save their careers by saying...
     
    Okay, the white teachers are refused jobs. Are you saying that because white teacher are refused jobs, the careers of Jewish teachers are then in jeopardy? Maybe the white teachers are refused jobs and there is no adverse impact on Jewish teachers at all.
    , @Bill
    That's certainly how AA admission to the Ivies has worked out. Oh, wait . . .
    , @Tim Howells
    This is true! Already demonstrated by 1968 that Black and Jewish comrades in the struggle against White Supremacy can easily turn on each other quite viciously when their interests conflict:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_teachers%27_strike_of_1968

    An early sign of the future of the Democratic Party, and the "coalition of the fringes". Can't come to soon either.
  47. @Ivy
    Have you seen much evidence of a drift into an oral culture, where literacy and numeracy seem to be in danger of fading away? That has been my concern with the focus on rap to the exclusion of other methods of gaining or exchanging information. That type of oral drift would represent a setback for ongoing civilization, and would seem to be self-defeating and isolationist.

    Yes, the ability to read and think critically, especially when it involves data or concepts such as quantities of time or percentages, is nearly zero in the most isolated AA students. The very idea that these skills relate to “real life” is lost on them. Many (nearly all) of their parents think they should pass just for showing up.

    Likewise, the idea that a mere 10-20 miles up I-95 there are **entire schools** filled with students who can compare prokaryotes and eukaryotes or find the molecular mass of C2H6 is unreal to them.

    On the other hand, they can repeat every line from a newly released rap song and will compete with each other to see who can do the best version. All in the same period they write a 2 sentence answer to a full-page essay question.

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    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    find the molecular mass of C2H6
     
    30 g
    , @Buffalo Joe
    BT, Telling that they can repeat all the lyrics of a new rap song but little from yesterday's lesson plan. So the SOLUTION! Teach black students all classes in rap! There, run with that and copyright your lesson plan and remember me when you are rich. And, this is just me saying this, but nice to have you around.
  48. @Arclight
    Always a new excuse - one group of progressives says blacks need black teachers, another says they need to be in white-majority schools, another says they need to have an Afro-centric curriculum to keep them engaged, yet another says you can't expect blacks to sit still, be quiet or speak correctly because it's not their culture.

    It all adds up to the left admitting one way or another that they are totally baffled about what to do with the most troubled part of their base after years of promising this or that solution will turn everything around - but it never does. So naturally it must be blamed on a different group in society or phenomena like "privilege" because the left sincerely believes that of all the people on Earth who have ever faced obstacles to freedom or success, American blacks are uniquely incapable of helping themselves.

    Puts one in mind of the climax of “Gee Officer Krupke”.
    The trouble is he’s lazy
    The trouble is he drinks
    The trouble is he’s crazy
    The trouble is he stinks
    The trouble is he’s growing
    The trouble is he’s grown…
    Uh Oh have I just done racism…

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  49. @Baltimore teacher
    I teach in a school that is 2/3 black and the teaching staff is 75% white and Asian (mostly Indian or Filipino). This is not unusual in our district. As others have surmised, affirmative action has played a part. Much easier to become an administrator or work at the district office if you're black. Also much easier to get into grad school after your TFA time is up. Test scores and grades that would be wholly noncompetitive for whites it Asians will get you into U of Maryland or better.

    Whites and Asians are also much more likely to value the teaching schedule bc most are married with kids and there are many teacher couples or teacher/professor type couples. People in this situation are much less likely to leave teaching.

    Lastly, financial stability pays a big role. $80k (our city schools avg for mid career people) is not crazy money, but if you are responsible it should be easy to get by and save money. This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers--always buying new cars, new electronics, mortgaged to the hilt, child support, etc. But 2 teachers making $160k with fully paid HC and pension isn't bad for 40 weeks in the classroom each yr.

    BALTIMORE??
    Run away!Run away!

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  50. @bomag

    Perhaps some kind of balance would be acceptable?
     
    I'm all for negotiation and compromise, but we get little good faith from the other side. They are, largely, dictating terms.

    And I agree that teaching ghetto youth is a modern day Verdun; our "generals" are throwing people into a grinder. There are many better ideas out there.

    I’m all for negotiation and compromise, but we get little good faith from the other side.

    Yes, there’s no compromise on affirmative action. It’s an anti-White (and often anti-Asian) modern version of Jim Crow. The only question is whether “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” was an honest plea or a bait and switch.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The only question is whether “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” was an honest plea or a bait and switch.
     
    Bait and switch. Everything the left offers is bait and switch.
  51. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Look at the bright side, people say it all the time on Unz.com

    When white teachers are refused jobs, I can promise you Jewish teachers won't be able to save their careers by saying, "I'm not White, I'm Jewish, just ask Richard Spencer or David Duke."

    When white teachers are refused jobs, I can promise you Jewish teachers won’t be able to save their careers by saying…

    Okay, the white teachers are refused jobs. Are you saying that because white teacher are refused jobs, the careers of Jewish teachers are then in jeopardy? Maybe the white teachers are refused jobs and there is no adverse impact on Jewish teachers at all.

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    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Any discrimination against Whites is going to affect non-elite Jews just as badly. Most people going into teaching aren't exactly elites (except for Gerald Levin's son).

    There's no question that elites have different interests than the masses and that Jews make a disproportionate percentage of elites. But the vast majority of Jews aren't elites and are getting just as screwed by the extreme levels of anti-White discrimination in America.
    , @PV van der Byl
    Yes, obviously, the Jewish teachers would then lose their jobs. Don't you understand they are classified as white according to all government criteria?

    And this isn't just some theoretical possibility. Mass purges of white teachers by black activists has happened and the first significant instance was almost 50 years ago:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_teachers%27_strike_of_1968
  52. Alfa158 says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    SFG, A teacher in my WNY school district at the 95 percentile will earn $94k plus benefits.

    A few years ago a NYC public school teacher called the Suze Orman show to ask if she could afford a lakeside condo in upstate NY. It seems that the woman was about to retire at age 60, and her Social Security would not kick in for another 6 years, so her income after retirement would therefore drop temporarily to her $108k a year pension, and she didn’t think she could maintain her lifestyle in the Big Apple on that kind of money.

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    • Replies: @jill
    Retired NYC teachers withdraw money from their tax deferred 403(b) free of state and city taxes. They are also guaranteed a fixed rate of 7 percent in their 403(b). Principals are guaranteed a 8.25 percent return. Also, their health and drug insurance is fully paid for and they get reimbursed for Medicare Part B premiums and for Income Related Monthly Adjustment Amount (IRMAA) on their Medicare Part B.

    Utopia.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, I refuse to sit with my cousin and his wife at any family functions. She is an active BPS teacher, he is a retired BPS teacher. They complain constantly about finances. She makes a paltry $84K teaching art, he collects his full pension and teaches to ESL students part time at $75 p/hr. They live in a lake front home and summer in Europe. I have a friend who was a BPS teacher. He went into consulting and has done extremely well. He is embarrassed by his friends that are still teachers, their constant complaining about pay is unbearable.
  53. Mr. Blank says:
    @Thea
    I had a couple of good teachers who happened to be black growing up. None of them talked about Blackety black black all day so that helped.

    Today, I assume such teachers merely accessed Affirmative Action to get their positions. Sad.

    Growing up in the South one generation removed from segregation, there was always a noticeable difference in quality between older and younger black teachers.

    The older ones, who’d entered the profession during segregation, tended to be excellent, though rough around the edges. The younger ones were far more polished but noticeably dimmer and frequently incompetent. I assume this was part of the legacy of affirmative action.

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  54. Mr. Blank says:
    @2Mintzin1
    "States and localities with significant black populations are beginning to recognize the whiteness of the teacher corps as an obstacle to student achievement. "

    "Among other things, African-Americans interested in teaching black students find they are steered into positions where they teach only black students. "


    Am I missing something, or is there a contradiction here?

    The teachers are saying they don’t want to be typecast as The Teacher Who Handles Those Troublesome Black Kids. It’s not an unreasonable gripe. A lot of black people hate it when they start at a new job and suddenly get promoted to Vice President of Black Stuff.

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    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    A lot of black people hate it when they start at a new job and suddenly get promoted to Vice President of Black Stuff.

    And a lot of black people want exactly that.
  55. Whiskey says: • Website

    World War Teacher will be excellent. First, firing every single one of the Nice White Lady teachers in favor of Dontavious and Shaniqua and Shitavious is a good thing. Nothing radicalizes someone more than losing money, noted Machiavelli. A Nice White Lady teacher fired so that DBrickashaw can take her job is a brand new radical member of the Alt-Right.

    Second, what’s public school when EVERY TEACHER IS BLACK? Yep its a WorldStarHipHop video every single second, and will be as attractive to parents of White kids as a trip to Compton or Chicago’s South Side. White support for public education will go to ZERO, and they will flee to either homeschooling or Religious Education that is private. Either way, Democrats/Aristocrats (same thing) lose a huge base, by going all Black. They don’t gain any marginal Black supporters who would otherwise stay home or vote Republican (that’s a function of walking around money at election time). And they lose all those nice White Lady teachers.

    Then there will be huge efforts by the White middle and working, and fired Nice White Lady teachers, and large portions of the lesser Nobility to simply erase public schooling. Since it will be a drain on them and fights over money are always more vicious and lasting. Aristo Dems have traded on the everyone in the party bit of public education, but when its all Black all the Time, it will have the same pulling power as WorldStar.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Whiskey, Nice job, you said it all. You went to Catholic schools?
  56. donut says:

    In a sane world I would bemoan my poor health and impending death .

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  57. Mr. Anon says:

    Where Did All the Black Teachers Go?

    Jail?

    Atlanta Public Schools Cheating Scandal

    Perhaps this recent event gives some indication as to why black teachers are so indispensible.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Mr. Anon, This is the best example of "The school to prison pipeline", built by whites without EPA interference.
  58. Mr. Anon says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    I’m all for negotiation and compromise, but we get little good faith from the other side.
     
    Yes, there's no compromise on affirmative action. It's an anti-White (and often anti-Asian) modern version of Jim Crow. The only question is whether "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." was an honest plea or a bait and switch.

    The only question is whether “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” was an honest plea or a bait and switch.

    Bait and switch. Everything the left offers is bait and switch.

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    It may have been an honest plea but it has had the consequence of bait n switch--so, in fact "the only question" doesn't matter. Results, not intentions, are all that matter.

    We all know what the road to hell with paved with...
  59. Mr. Anon says:
    @countenance
    Where did all the black teachers go?

    Remember, we all want GREAT teachers for black students.

    Remember, we all want GREAT teachers for black students.

    Not just GREAT. They must all be Superman. They must bestride the Globe as Titans! They must be the Kwisatz Haderach.

    Anything less would be soft expectation of low racism. Or something.

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  60. Mr. Anon says:
    @kihowi
    Let me translate that.

    We're worried that if white children are among their own people they might experience a sense of safety and belonging. When surrounded by strangers they'll feel alienated and vulnerable, which is what we want.
     

    “Let me translate that: We’re worried that if white children are among their own people they might experience a sense of safety and belonging. When surrounded by strangers they’ll feel alienated and vulnerable, which is what we want.”

    Aye.

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  61. @Baltimore teacher
    I teach in a school that is 2/3 black and the teaching staff is 75% white and Asian (mostly Indian or Filipino). This is not unusual in our district. As others have surmised, affirmative action has played a part. Much easier to become an administrator or work at the district office if you're black. Also much easier to get into grad school after your TFA time is up. Test scores and grades that would be wholly noncompetitive for whites it Asians will get you into U of Maryland or better.

    Whites and Asians are also much more likely to value the teaching schedule bc most are married with kids and there are many teacher couples or teacher/professor type couples. People in this situation are much less likely to leave teaching.

    Lastly, financial stability pays a big role. $80k (our city schools avg for mid career people) is not crazy money, but if you are responsible it should be easy to get by and save money. This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers--always buying new cars, new electronics, mortgaged to the hilt, child support, etc. But 2 teachers making $160k with fully paid HC and pension isn't bad for 40 weeks in the classroom each yr.

    This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers

    At least one Baltimore teacher lacks or tends to lack skill in English grammar.

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    • Replies: @Ed
    Let he who has never made a typo or editing error cast the first snarky stone.
    , @larry lurker
    Clearly auto-correct. Or maybe the poster was having a stroke. Grammatical error is the least likely explanation.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    David, Well, we are all human here, some more so than others. Reminds me of the story on the Root website a few years back that garnered dozens of replies because a racist recipe stated..."Add one teaspoon of ground black people" and the commenters could not believe that was a typo. I mean, where do you even buy Ground Black People?
  62. @Thea
    I had a couple of good teachers who happened to be black growing up. None of them talked about Blackety black black all day so that helped.

    Today, I assume such teachers merely accessed Affirmative Action to get their positions. Sad.

    You just deployed ‘happens to be black’ on Sailer’s blog! I’m assuming that your deprogramming is incomplete.

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  63. Dan Hayes says:
    @anony-mouse
    These things seem to have almost disappeared:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_school

    Just like insane asylums the inmates have been released. So...

    Different times, different culture:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmXlc8ow4zk

    anony-mouse:

    It gets even better in NYC, our current mayor Bill Deblasio plans to release 5,000 prisoners into the streets, and have another 5,00o incarcerated in jails newly-built in the preditors’ neighborhoods.

    All this untrammeled do-goodism will ensure a return to Bonfire of Vanities Crime Rates!

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  64. @Baltimore teacher
    Yes, the ability to read and think critically, especially when it involves data or concepts such as quantities of time or percentages, is nearly zero in the most isolated AA students. The very idea that these skills relate to "real life" is lost on them. Many (nearly all) of their parents think they should pass just for showing up.

    Likewise, the idea that a mere 10-20 miles up I-95 there are **entire schools** filled with students who can compare prokaryotes and eukaryotes or find the molecular mass of C2H6 is unreal to them.

    On the other hand, they can repeat every line from a newly released rap song and will compete with each other to see who can do the best version. All in the same period they write a 2 sentence answer to a full-page essay question.

    find the molecular mass of C2H6

    30 g

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    • Replies: @Luke55
    No, the molecular mass of one molecule of Ethane is (roughly) 30 atomic mass units, NOT 30 grams. The latter weight would require one mole (Avogadro's # of molecules, roughly 6.023 x 10 to the 23rd) of molecules.
  65. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    When white teachers are refused jobs, I can promise you Jewish teachers won’t be able to save their careers by saying...
     
    Okay, the white teachers are refused jobs. Are you saying that because white teacher are refused jobs, the careers of Jewish teachers are then in jeopardy? Maybe the white teachers are refused jobs and there is no adverse impact on Jewish teachers at all.

    Any discrimination against Whites is going to affect non-elite Jews just as badly. Most people going into teaching aren’t exactly elites (except for Gerald Levin’s son).

    There’s no question that elites have different interests than the masses and that Jews make a disproportionate percentage of elites. But the vast majority of Jews aren’t elites and are getting just as screwed by the extreme levels of anti-White discrimination in America.

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    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    The question of what fraction of Jews are not elite is an interesting one. What fraction of Jews are not in the top 20% of incomes, when compared to those of similar age and sex?
    , @oddsbodkins
    The question of what fraction of Jews are not elite is an interesting one. What fraction of Jews are not in the top 20% of incomes, when compared to those of similar age and sex?
  66. Steve, how can you stand to read all of these mind-numbing articles about the unbearable whiteness of everything? Slogging through this tripe would drive me nuts.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Stan, doing a job that most Americans won't do. Steve is the original Dreamer.
    , @Bill Jones
    As it has Steve.
  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Nice White Ladies were the tip of the spear stabbing the rest of us in the back.

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  68. @Baltimore teacher
    I teach in a school that is 2/3 black and the teaching staff is 75% white and Asian (mostly Indian or Filipino). This is not unusual in our district. As others have surmised, affirmative action has played a part. Much easier to become an administrator or work at the district office if you're black. Also much easier to get into grad school after your TFA time is up. Test scores and grades that would be wholly noncompetitive for whites it Asians will get you into U of Maryland or better.

    Whites and Asians are also much more likely to value the teaching schedule bc most are married with kids and there are many teacher couples or teacher/professor type couples. People in this situation are much less likely to leave teaching.

    Lastly, financial stability pays a big role. $80k (our city schools avg for mid career people) is not crazy money, but if you are responsible it should be easy to get by and save money. This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers--always buying new cars, new electronics, mortgaged to the hilt, child support, etc. But 2 teachers making $160k with fully paid HC and pension isn't bad for 40 weeks in the classroom each yr.

    fully paid HC and pension

    Is that the East Coast norm? In California, Jerry Brown increased the employees/members contributions for pension to 10.25% from 8% a few years back. The employee contribution to HC in term of premium/co-pay had also being raised with each new contracts in most districts.

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    California is probably a little ahead of the curve regarding employee contributions because their fiscal situation (ex-Illinois and NJ) is worse than everywhere else. IIRC, NY teachers contribute small amounts, though probably calculated in $ per check rather than % of annual pay.
  69. @Thea
    I had a couple of good teachers who happened to be black growing up. None of them talked about Blackety black black all day so that helped.

    Today, I assume such teachers merely accessed Affirmative Action to get their positions. Sad.

    I had a couple of good teachers who happened to be black growing up.

    What color are they now?

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Reg, Funny, but be nice. I remember when a sports reporter asked Doug Williams, " How long have you been a black quarterback?" "Um, all my life."
  70. @inertial
    Pigeonholing black teachers as disciplinarians is bad! Only white teachers should punish black kids. No, wait, that not good either. Oh, I have an idea. The best solution to this conundrum is - no discipline at all!

    Pigeonholing black teachers as disciplinarians is bad!

    Adrian Peterson and Michael Vick have given black disciplinary methods a bad name.

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  71. Ed says:

    Brett used to be a normal writer than he got on Twitter and it’s been SJW nonsense ever since.

    Personally I wouldn’t be opposed to a lower cerification process for black teachers if they’re confined to teach at black schools.

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  72. Ed says:
    @Baltimore teacher
    Some of my classes (the tougher ones) seem to value blackness/black culture over virtually anything else in life. Many of my black students have never gone far outside their own part of the city. They listen primarily to Baltimore rappers. Their media of choice is social media, not tv--things going on outside their immediate vicinity barely register with them. They tend to be very homophobic and racist against non-AAs including Caribbean and African immigrants (we have a significant % of both and they tend to be excellent students and athletes).

    My non black students seen to value teaching ability very highly and not care much about race in a teacher.

    Any school event ends up being pretty segregated, with AAs doing one thing and everyone else, inc non-native blacks, doing another. For example at lunch, you'll have many tables that are black only. The rest of the tables are very diverse and integrated between Latino/Asian/white/middle Eastern including the immigrant blacks and the higher according/less insular blacks.

    It’s very odd to me that African-American leaders can’t see how the cultural degradation of AAs is a bad thing.

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    • Replies: @Baltimore teacher
    Typing on phone. Autocorrect.

    Alternatively, you can choose to believe in can't spell it use grammar properly.

    Your choice. ;-)
  73. Ed says:
    @David Davenport
    This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers

    At least one Baltimore teacher lacks or tends to lack skill in English grammar.

    Let he who has never made a typo or editing error cast the first snarky stone.

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  74. Luke55 says:
    @ScarletNumber

    find the molecular mass of C2H6
     
    30 g

    No, the molecular mass of one molecule of Ethane is (roughly) 30 atomic mass units, NOT 30 grams. The latter weight would require one mole (Avogadro’s # of molecules, roughly 6.023 x 10 to the 23rd) of molecules.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Like, Stop. The two of you just stop. Scarlet could have written "Blue" as the answer and most of us would be ok with it. Well, me anyways.
  75. @Ed
    It's very odd to me that African-American leaders can't see how the cultural degradation of AAs is a bad thing.

    Typing on phone. Autocorrect.

    Alternatively, you can choose to believe in can’t spell it use grammar properly.

    Your choice. ;-)

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    • Replies: @Ed
    I believe auto-correct since it happens to me daily. Also thanks for your insights from ground zero.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Thanks for the report. There is a lot of good theorizing here, so it's always good to hear from someone like you, (and Just Some Cop), who is actually on the front lines. Be careful out there.
  76. @David Davenport
    This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers

    At least one Baltimore teacher lacks or tends to lack skill in English grammar.

    Clearly auto-correct. Or maybe the poster was having a stroke. Grammatical error is the least likely explanation.

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  77. @Thea
    I had a couple of good teachers who happened to be black growing up. None of them talked about Blackety black black all day so that helped.

    Today, I assume such teachers merely accessed Affirmative Action to get their positions. Sad.

    Two of my best grade school teachers were black. Neither of them talked about blackety-black either.

    My worst grade school teacher was also black. She did talk about blackety-black all day. Weird coincidence, I know. In spite of her terrible teaching, her class was an informative window into the paranoia, scapegoating, counter-logic and general dysfunction of contemporary black culture. It was also a lesson in the odd way that my black classmates, most of whom I had known most of my life to be largely indifferent to race questions, would suddenly and unapologetically line up to man the race barricades when this teacher blew her blackety-black horn.

    Being a highly visible minority in a majority black neighborhood, this had certain, um … implications, not entirely lost on my grade school mind.

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  78. jill says:
    @Alfa158
    A few years ago a NYC public school teacher called the Suze Orman show to ask if she could afford a lakeside condo in upstate NY. It seems that the woman was about to retire at age 60, and her Social Security would not kick in for another 6 years, so her income after retirement would therefore drop temporarily to her $108k a year pension, and she didn't think she could maintain her lifestyle in the Big Apple on that kind of money.

    Retired NYC teachers withdraw money from their tax deferred 403(b) free of state and city taxes. They are also guaranteed a fixed rate of 7 percent in their 403(b). Principals are guaranteed a 8.25 percent return. Also, their health and drug insurance is fully paid for and they get reimbursed for Medicare Part B premiums and for Income Related Monthly Adjustment Amount (IRMAA) on their Medicare Part B.

    Utopia.

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  79. dearieme says:

    To what sorts of schools do black teachers send their own children?

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    • Replies: @res
    A good question. This article does not address the race angle, but statistics for some well known Democratic cities might provide a clue: http://www.aei.org/publication/why-do-public-school-teachers-send-their-own-children-to-private-schools-at-a-rate-2x-the-national-average/
    , @Buffalo Joe
    deari, To the school closest to their baby momma or baby daddy's crib.
  80. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    When white teachers are refused jobs, I can promise you Jewish teachers won’t be able to save their careers by saying...
     
    Okay, the white teachers are refused jobs. Are you saying that because white teacher are refused jobs, the careers of Jewish teachers are then in jeopardy? Maybe the white teachers are refused jobs and there is no adverse impact on Jewish teachers at all.

    Yes, obviously, the Jewish teachers would then lose their jobs. Don’t you understand they are classified as white according to all government criteria?

    And this isn’t just some theoretical possibility. Mass purges of white teachers by black activists has happened and the first significant instance was almost 50 years ago:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_teachers%27_strike_of_1968

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  81. Thirdtwin says:

    Are blacks leaving the classroom, but not the schools? In my anecdotal experience, black teachers are much more interested in climbing the bureaucratic ladder than white teachers. They angle for jobs as Counselors, Assistant Principals and Principals with a political zeal that is amazing. Teaching gets to be a drag after a few years for most of them, and they see the perks the administrative class gets. Part of the reason failing school systems are so top-heavy with bureaucrats is that nobody wants to ride herd on students; they all want to ride herd on young white teachers.

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    • Replies: @res
    Another good question. I wonder if there are statistics available to answer it.

    This study looks like a decent start: Race and the Principal Pipeline - Center for Education Policy Analysis
    Some commentary on the paper along with a link to the PDF (probably a better place to start than the 50 page PDF): https://cepa.stanford.edu/news/race-and-principal-pipeline

    Some excerpts:

    The analysis of demographic data from national, state, and local sources shows variation in the representation of Blacks in the principal workforce. At the national level, 11 percent of principals are black, though the percentage of black principals nearly doubles (21 percent) in urban communities (see Figure 1). In Wisconsin, the share of black principals is five percent and the representation of black principals in Milwaukee is 49 percent. The representation of black principals differs from that of black teachers.
    ...
    At the national level, the share of black principals is four percentage points higher than the share of black teachers, that is more than a 50 percent increase. It is nine percentage-points (75 percent) higher in urban communities. In Wisconsin, the share of black principals relative to teachers is three percentage points (150 percent) higher and 29 percentage points (145 percent) higher in Milwaukee. The share of black principals is higher than the share of black teachers and the difference in representation is much greater in urban areas. Thus, black principals are relatively over-represented in the principal workforce compared to teachers.
    ...
    The over-representation relative to teachers does not necessarily imply overrepresentation since a higher proportion of teachers than students are white.
    ...
    In other words, the representation of black principals is lower than that of students.
    ...
    Taken together, these results indicate black principals are more representative of the black student population than are black teachers, though still not fully representative. This result is somewhat surprising given that almost all principals are former teachers. In the next sections, we explore the role of race and ethnicity in the transition from teacher to principal.

     


    Black teachers have the highest probability of becoming principals throughout the teacher lifecycle. Hispanic teachers have the lowest probabilities and the probabilities for white teachers are situated between the two minority groups. The racial differences in the hazard functions are statistically significant.

     


    The inclusion of teacher characteristics, school characteristics, and year fixed effects increases the odds ratio from 2.18 to 6.36.
     
    Wow. Not a subtle effect! The picture is more complicated for Hispanics.

    The results from the prior tables show that race is a significant predictor of teacher movement into some intermediary positions. In particular, minority teachers are more likely to possess leadership experiences that may make them appealing principal candidates. However, they tend come from schools that are, on average, less likely to produce leaders.
     
    Emphasis mine in the next quote.

    We also find racial differences in teachers' intent to pursue an administrative credential. Although, some teachers may get obtain an administrative to increase their wages, the intent to pursue an administrative credential provides a signal (albeit fuzzy) of a teacher's desire for school leadership. Our analysis finds a greater proportion of black teachers report currently pursuing a credential than white teachers (10 percent compared to 2 percent). The racial gap in intent widens when examine novice teachers. Among teachers with no more than three years of experience, four percent of white teachers report currently pursuing a credential compared to 22 percent of black teachers and 25 percent of Hispanic teachers. This further supports the supplyside explanation for racial differences in principal labor force exist because black teachers are more likely to desire a career in school administration.
     
    Looks like you are onto something...

    P.S. That paper looks like an honest attempt to address the issue and ask relevant questions. It also includes supporting figures and tables.
  82. Bill says:
    @Baltimore teacher
    Some of my classes (the tougher ones) seem to value blackness/black culture over virtually anything else in life. Many of my black students have never gone far outside their own part of the city. They listen primarily to Baltimore rappers. Their media of choice is social media, not tv--things going on outside their immediate vicinity barely register with them. They tend to be very homophobic and racist against non-AAs including Caribbean and African immigrants (we have a significant % of both and they tend to be excellent students and athletes).

    My non black students seen to value teaching ability very highly and not care much about race in a teacher.

    Any school event ends up being pretty segregated, with AAs doing one thing and everyone else, inc non-native blacks, doing another. For example at lunch, you'll have many tables that are black only. The rest of the tables are very diverse and integrated between Latino/Asian/white/middle Eastern including the immigrant blacks and the higher according/less insular blacks.

    The rest of the tables are very diverse and integrated between Latino/Asian/white/middle Eastern including the immigrant blacks and the higher according/less insular blacks.

    Is the school majority AA?

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    • Replies: @Bill
    Oh, I see you already answered that the school is 2/3 black. That pretty much explains the diversity of the non-black tables, though.
  83. Bill says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Look at the bright side, people say it all the time on Unz.com

    When white teachers are refused jobs, I can promise you Jewish teachers won't be able to save their careers by saying, "I'm not White, I'm Jewish, just ask Richard Spencer or David Duke."

    That’s certainly how AA admission to the Ivies has worked out. Oh, wait . . .

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    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The number of Jews in Ivies has been vastly overestimated. Regardless, they are not competing for teaching jobs. The 5% or so of Jews that are elites (and maybe 1% of White non-Jews) are doing better than ever. That does absolutely nothing for the rest of us.
  84. Bill says:
    @anon

    It’s emotional labor, man! Who can be expected to do it full time?
     
    I realize it has become trendy around these parts to mock the phrase "emotional labor". But if spending all day, every day with a bunch of ghetto teens isn't precisely that, I don't know what is.

    The blacks that get college degrees are trying to move up in the world and I fully understand their not wanting to be pigeon-holed professionally. Same situation with cops. Perhaps some kind of balance would be acceptable?

    How about blacks teach blacks exclusively. For balance, they can organize that activity however they want, including by warehousing most black students and making no effort to teach them at all. Emotional labor mitigated!

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  85. Bill says:
    @Bill

    The rest of the tables are very diverse and integrated between Latino/Asian/white/middle Eastern including the immigrant blacks and the higher according/less insular blacks.
     
    Is the school majority AA?

    Oh, I see you already answered that the school is 2/3 black. That pretty much explains the diversity of the non-black tables, though.

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  86. Tiny Duck says:

    What needs to happen to fix schools is that whites cannot be allowed to be a majority anywhere

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    Doesn't appear to be working as the schools in majority-minority (non-white majority) cities are colossal failures.

    But nice try.
  87. @Alfa158
    A few years ago a NYC public school teacher called the Suze Orman show to ask if she could afford a lakeside condo in upstate NY. It seems that the woman was about to retire at age 60, and her Social Security would not kick in for another 6 years, so her income after retirement would therefore drop temporarily to her $108k a year pension, and she didn't think she could maintain her lifestyle in the Big Apple on that kind of money.

    Alfa, I refuse to sit with my cousin and his wife at any family functions. She is an active BPS teacher, he is a retired BPS teacher. They complain constantly about finances. She makes a paltry $84K teaching art, he collects his full pension and teaches to ESL students part time at $75 p/hr. They live in a lake front home and summer in Europe. I have a friend who was a BPS teacher. He went into consulting and has done extremely well. He is embarrassed by his friends that are still teachers, their constant complaining about pay is unbearable.

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    The bigger the city, the bigger the pay and pension. I don't know how long it can be sustained. One of my wife's colleagues's was married to a worker for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. He retired on a typical pension for workers at that utility, $10k per month. The DWP routinely raises water rates by 10% to 20% at a shot. When citizens complain, the governing commission has implicitly said they don't care, their responsibility is to the union members, not the public, and there is nothing you can do about it because in effect they pick who gets to hold public office and appoint them to the board.
    In California at least there is a law that requires that records on the salary and pension of all state and local public sector workers must be accessible to the public. During the Presidential campaign a commenter had found news reports identifying some of the San Jose patrol officers who had stood by while Trump supporters were attacked. Those officers during the previous year had, with overtime, averaged $300k in pay.
    One thing about teachers is that it is no longer quite such a 7 hour a day 184 day job. Thanks to the massive growth in the administrative segment of the educational establishment the teachers I know complain that they have to put in long hours after school doing all the busy work reporting and documentation that the administrators have put into place in order to justify their jobs. The schools also are open late with after school programs because the kids parents need day care for them while they are working at the car wash or nannying other people's kids. In LA because of the population explosion for mass immigration, schools are pretty much in operation year-round on split schedules to take care of every one. During the last budget crisis when the schools had to close for the summer, there was massive wailing from parents about losing their free day care provider.
    , @Forbes
    The conversation with a school teacher eventually (as a sort of Murphy's Law) turns to their pay and benefits as poor, as compared to some other school district or what they would receive in the private sector. The unrealistic expectations and/or terms can be counted on to be uninformed, with a misunderstanding of what the cost of their benefits and pension compensation actually amounts to--especially as compared to the private sector.

    It is impossible to think of any private sector middle class/middle income occupation where retirement before age 65 is possible, without inherited wealth or reliance on a second source of income (or substantial personal savings), yet retirement after 30 years teaching is an expectation.

    Teaching jobs have nearly always struck me as a jobs program for adults, with student learning an after thought--an incidental or accidental by-product of day care for adolescents. There are exceptions, of course, that of "the exceptions that prove the rule" sort.
    , @Ganderson
    Joe- I'm a high school teacher.I feel I'm well compensated for what I do. The kids I teach however , are mostly interested in what I have to offer. Teaching at a ghetto school where none of the kids, or nearly none of the kids, have any interest in anything remotely academic it's just a sucky job. There is no amount of money that would convince me to teach in such a school.
  88. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Look at the bright side, people say it all the time on Unz.com

    When white teachers are refused jobs, I can promise you Jewish teachers won't be able to save their careers by saying, "I'm not White, I'm Jewish, just ask Richard Spencer or David Duke."

    This is true! Already demonstrated by 1968 that Black and Jewish comrades in the struggle against White Supremacy can easily turn on each other quite viciously when their interests conflict:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_teachers%27_strike_of_1968

    An early sign of the future of the Democratic Party, and the “coalition of the fringes”. Can’t come to soon either.

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  89. Ed says:
    @Baltimore teacher
    Typing on phone. Autocorrect.

    Alternatively, you can choose to believe in can't spell it use grammar properly.

    Your choice. ;-)

    I believe auto-correct since it happens to me daily. Also thanks for your insights from ground zero.

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  90. Alfa158 says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, I refuse to sit with my cousin and his wife at any family functions. She is an active BPS teacher, he is a retired BPS teacher. They complain constantly about finances. She makes a paltry $84K teaching art, he collects his full pension and teaches to ESL students part time at $75 p/hr. They live in a lake front home and summer in Europe. I have a friend who was a BPS teacher. He went into consulting and has done extremely well. He is embarrassed by his friends that are still teachers, their constant complaining about pay is unbearable.

    The bigger the city, the bigger the pay and pension. I don’t know how long it can be sustained. One of my wife’s colleagues’s was married to a worker for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. He retired on a typical pension for workers at that utility, $10k per month. The DWP routinely raises water rates by 10% to 20% at a shot. When citizens complain, the governing commission has implicitly said they don’t care, their responsibility is to the union members, not the public, and there is nothing you can do about it because in effect they pick who gets to hold public office and appoint them to the board.
    In California at least there is a law that requires that records on the salary and pension of all state and local public sector workers must be accessible to the public. During the Presidential campaign a commenter had found news reports identifying some of the San Jose patrol officers who had stood by while Trump supporters were attacked. Those officers during the previous year had, with overtime, averaged $300k in pay.
    One thing about teachers is that it is no longer quite such a 7 hour a day 184 day job. Thanks to the massive growth in the administrative segment of the educational establishment the teachers I know complain that they have to put in long hours after school doing all the busy work reporting and documentation that the administrators have put into place in order to justify their jobs. The schools also are open late with after school programs because the kids parents need day care for them while they are working at the car wash or nannying other people’s kids. In LA because of the population explosion for mass immigration, schools are pretty much in operation year-round on split schedules to take care of every one. During the last budget crisis when the schools had to close for the summer, there was massive wailing from parents about losing their free day care provider.

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    Alfa, It can't be sustained. The American cities that have filed for bankruptcy did so because of unfunded pension liabilities, which in Chicago's case is $10BILLION and climbing. Teachers talk about their long hours but they now have the omnipresent aides that watch the classroom while the teacher grades papers and updates the lesson plan. Teachers' aides are another reason school budgets are so high. Check out the teachers' parking lot after the last bell, pretty empty. Teacher union contracts mandate the work schedule and the hours, so your teacher friends are blowing smoke. Buffalo Public School teachers average 18 days of absence from the class room, that is three weeks plus! What other industry would allow you to be absent that much and still retain your job! Reason is: substitute teaching is another lucrative segment of teaching. Otherwise, we're good.
  91. @Baltimore teacher
    Typing on phone. Autocorrect.

    Alternatively, you can choose to believe in can't spell it use grammar properly.

    Your choice. ;-)

    Thanks for the report. There is a lot of good theorizing here, so it’s always good to hear from someone like you, (and Just Some Cop), who is actually on the front lines. Be careful out there.

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  92. res says:
    @dearieme
    To what sorts of schools do black teachers send their own children?

    A good question. This article does not address the race angle, but statistics for some well known Democratic cities might provide a clue: http://www.aei.org/publication/why-do-public-school-teachers-send-their-own-children-to-private-schools-at-a-rate-2x-the-national-average/

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  93. @Sean
    They went for much better jobs. A black who can become a teacher can reasonably aim much higher now.

    If you are a fairly literate and well spoken person of colour, you can easily land a corporate diversity officer job that pays well into six figures … bonus points if you are female, trifecta if you are also gay, perfecta if you are post-op transgender.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Alarmist, Joe Biden described Barrack Obama that way and look where Obama wound up.
  94. res says:
    @Thirdtwin
    Are blacks leaving the classroom, but not the schools? In my anecdotal experience, black teachers are much more interested in climbing the bureaucratic ladder than white teachers. They angle for jobs as Counselors, Assistant Principals and Principals with a political zeal that is amazing. Teaching gets to be a drag after a few years for most of them, and they see the perks the administrative class gets. Part of the reason failing school systems are so top-heavy with bureaucrats is that nobody wants to ride herd on students; they all want to ride herd on young white teachers.

    Another good question. I wonder if there are statistics available to answer it.

    This study looks like a decent start: Race and the Principal Pipeline – Center for Education Policy Analysis
    Some commentary on the paper along with a link to the PDF (probably a better place to start than the 50 page PDF): https://cepa.stanford.edu/news/race-and-principal-pipeline

    Some excerpts:

    The analysis of demographic data from national, state, and local sources shows variation in the representation of Blacks in the principal workforce. At the national level, 11 percent of principals are black, though the percentage of black principals nearly doubles (21 percent) in urban communities (see Figure 1). In Wisconsin, the share of black principals is five percent and the representation of black principals in Milwaukee is 49 percent. The representation of black principals differs from that of black teachers.

    At the national level, the share of black principals is four percentage points higher than the share of black teachers, that is more than a 50 percent increase. It is nine percentage-points (75 percent) higher in urban communities. In Wisconsin, the share of black principals relative to teachers is three percentage points (150 percent) higher and 29 percentage points (145 percent) higher in Milwaukee. The share of black principals is higher than the share of black teachers and the difference in representation is much greater in urban areas. Thus, black principals are relatively over-represented in the principal workforce compared to teachers.

    The over-representation relative to teachers does not necessarily imply overrepresentation since a higher proportion of teachers than students are white.

    In other words, the representation of black principals is lower than that of students.

    Taken together, these results indicate black principals are more representative of the black student population than are black teachers, though still not fully representative. This result is somewhat surprising given that almost all principals are former teachers. In the next sections, we explore the role of race and ethnicity in the transition from teacher to principal.

    Black teachers have the highest probability of becoming principals throughout the teacher lifecycle. Hispanic teachers have the lowest probabilities and the probabilities for white teachers are situated between the two minority groups. The racial differences in the hazard functions are statistically significant.

    The inclusion of teacher characteristics, school characteristics, and year fixed effects increases the odds ratio from 2.18 to 6.36.

    Wow. Not a subtle effect! The picture is more complicated for Hispanics.

    The results from the prior tables show that race is a significant predictor of teacher movement into some intermediary positions. In particular, minority teachers are more likely to possess leadership experiences that may make them appealing principal candidates. However, they tend come from schools that are, on average, less likely to produce leaders.

    Emphasis mine in the next quote.

    We also find racial differences in teachers’ intent to pursue an administrative credential. Although, some teachers may get obtain an administrative to increase their wages, the intent to pursue an administrative credential provides a signal (albeit fuzzy) of a teacher’s desire for school leadership. Our analysis finds a greater proportion of black teachers report currently pursuing a credential than white teachers (10 percent compared to 2 percent). The racial gap in intent widens when examine novice teachers. Among teachers with no more than three years of experience, four percent of white teachers report currently pursuing a credential compared to 22 percent of black teachers and 25 percent of Hispanic teachers. This further supports the supplyside explanation for racial differences in principal labor force exist because black teachers are more likely to desire a career in school administration.

    Looks like you are onto something…

    P.S. That paper looks like an honest attempt to address the issue and ask relevant questions. It also includes supporting figures and tables.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    res, Harvard offers a doctorate in Urban Education to train black school superintendents. Black school superintendents are the best scam going. Quit or get fired, take your severance package and move on to the next job. Buffalo's new school superintendent,Kriener Cash, took the job, but just rented a house, he said he wasn't here to put down roots and he didn't want the hassle of selling a house if the board terminated him or he quit. The sup before him, Dr. Pamela Brown, Harvard Phd.(see above), was hired at $240K and was so unqualified that the school board hired a mentor to train her. The mentor was a black woman who hired two more black woman mentors to help her train Dr. Brown. The majority black school board was on recorded as saying they wanted a sup that resembled the majority of the students, you know, black for black.
  95. @Yak-15
    Europe has terminally lost its way. Why do you care? It's choosing to kill itself. Not my problem, not our problem, not America's problem. If they want to turn their nations into open air markets for Islam, good for them!

    Focus on what we can control in our country.

    Europe has terminally lost its way. Why do you care?

    I look upon such phenomenons as the one I described above in France right now as huge scale social experminents, which nobody could pay to set up – not even if a really rich university would share the cost and sell the publishing rights to Hollywood or something like this – uhh – but you can sort of read/decipher them (those big scale social experiments) and draw conclusions from them – and maybe learn from them – practically for free. And I do think we still can learn from them.

    Plus – I, as a German may I add, love France – not only Montaingne and Chamfort, Diderot, Chopin, Molière (sigh – his play Le Malade Imaginaire (The Imaginary Invalid)) is one of the … best plays ever! – it should be taught in medical school, including the fact, that Molière wrote it, when being terminally ill – and died on stage, playing (!) the Imaginary Invalid – now, I mean: That’s the best combination of humor and wisdom and artist’s courage I’ve ever come across!). Ok, then there are the photographers Ronis and Atget and painters Renoir and Corot and…I love to visit France. The rural south – – – the Cévennes, the Massif Céntral – bikers heaven, really. Burgundy. The Loire. The French Jura. And that is all until now pretty much intact. And the shere beauty of it… The north is good too, but cities like Lille start to get frightening. No go areas, where the locals urge you to walk around – in bright daylight. And areas with pretty poor white folks, which have lost all their charme.

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    It's very sad to see in person. I wish things were different but I see a fate similar to Lebanon as France's future.
  96. Pat Boyle says:
    @Shouting Thomas
    Yes, I'm completely confused now.

    Weren't we told that only black teachers can teach black kids?

    The idea that only blacks can teach blacks is a ‘just so’ story. It is an explanation crafted after the fact.

    In the fifties and the sixties the theory was that we needed to acculturate blacks by letting them interact with the whites from the dominant culture. I was a public social worker for a couple years in the San Francisco of the sixties.

    The official liberal dogma at the time was that blacks had been separated from mainstream society and that was why they were so backward. Lots of nice white girls just out of college would go to a poor black home and show them a better way to live. Or at least that was the theory.

    Home visits from your white social worker didn’t seem to work so they were cut out. Similarly black school achievement was supposedly improved when black kids were around whites. That after all was the theory behind bussing. But we couldn’t just cut out all teaching to blacks – could we?

    But switching the teachers from black to white – as was done with school integration – didn’t work. Black students still did poorly. And then later when we switched from white teachers back to black that didn’t work either. No teachers of any color can make black kids learn as well as white or Asian kids.

    So far no one has a method by which blacks learn as well as whites – but as long as their is lots of tax money available – someone will propose a new theory.

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    So far no one has a method by which blacks learn as well as whites – but as long as their is lots of tax money available – someone will propose a new theory.

     

    This is a great industry, solving it would just ruin the potential for future profits.
  97. Maj. Kong says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Teacher tests have been made harder over the last 20 years or so, which is why public school teacher ranks are still so white. A lot of people would like to start World War Teacher to take the jobs of the nice white lady teachers, but they haven't quite figured out the right tactics. But you can see the momentum gathering with this one study about how black youths do better with black teachers. (I don't know if it has been replicated or not.)

    The Democrats would find it much harder to win without the financial and organizational muscle of the teachers union. The left worldwide has known this ever since Jules Ferry seized control of the schools from the Church.

    Alienate the NWLs and say hello to swing state Illinois, and permanent GOP rule in the Midwest.

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  98. @Pat Boyle
    The idea that only blacks can teach blacks is a 'just so' story. It is an explanation crafted after the fact.

    In the fifties and the sixties the theory was that we needed to acculturate blacks by letting them interact with the whites from the dominant culture. I was a public social worker for a couple years in the San Francisco of the sixties.

    The official liberal dogma at the time was that blacks had been separated from mainstream society and that was why they were so backward. Lots of nice white girls just out of college would go to a poor black home and show them a better way to live. Or at least that was the theory.

    Home visits from your white social worker didn't seem to work so they were cut out. Similarly black school achievement was supposedly improved when black kids were around whites. That after all was the theory behind bussing. But we couldn't just cut out all teaching to blacks - could we?

    But switching the teachers from black to white - as was done with school integration - didn't work. Black students still did poorly. And then later when we switched from white teachers back to black that didn't work either. No teachers of any color can make black kids learn as well as white or Asian kids.

    So far no one has a method by which blacks learn as well as whites - but as long as their is lots of tax money available - someone will propose a new theory.

    So far no one has a method by which blacks learn as well as whites – but as long as their is lots of tax money available – someone will propose a new theory.

    This is a great industry, solving it would just ruin the potential for future profits.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Daniel.. . . Almost in need of a RICO investigation. The national teachers unions have probably done more damage to America than organized crime. Yeah, I know that's hyperbole, but consider how much damage has been done to this country by liberal education policies. I will humbly take criticism on this point.
  99. Forbes says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, I refuse to sit with my cousin and his wife at any family functions. She is an active BPS teacher, he is a retired BPS teacher. They complain constantly about finances. She makes a paltry $84K teaching art, he collects his full pension and teaches to ESL students part time at $75 p/hr. They live in a lake front home and summer in Europe. I have a friend who was a BPS teacher. He went into consulting and has done extremely well. He is embarrassed by his friends that are still teachers, their constant complaining about pay is unbearable.

    The conversation with a school teacher eventually (as a sort of Murphy’s Law) turns to their pay and benefits as poor, as compared to some other school district or what they would receive in the private sector. The unrealistic expectations and/or terms can be counted on to be uninformed, with a misunderstanding of what the cost of their benefits and pension compensation actually amounts to–especially as compared to the private sector.

    It is impossible to think of any private sector middle class/middle income occupation where retirement before age 65 is possible, without inherited wealth or reliance on a second source of income (or substantial personal savings), yet retirement after 30 years teaching is an expectation.

    Teaching jobs have nearly always struck me as a jobs program for adults, with student learning an after thought–an incidental or accidental by-product of day care for adolescents. There are exceptions, of course, that of “the exceptions that prove the rule” sort.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Forbes, Nicely stated. Teachers also think that they are the only ones who ever go in early or stay late or bring work home. They are also saddled with buying "supplies", because electricians, mechanics, plumbers, etc. are given full tool boxes and pick-up trucks.
  100. Forbes says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The only question is whether “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” was an honest plea or a bait and switch.
     
    Bait and switch. Everything the left offers is bait and switch.

    It may have been an honest plea but it has had the consequence of bait n switch–so, in fact “the only question” doesn’t matter. Results, not intentions, are all that matter.

    We all know what the road to hell with paved with…

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  101. Forbes says:
    @CalSTRS member

    fully paid HC and pension
     
    Is that the East Coast norm? In California, Jerry Brown increased the employees/members contributions for pension to 10.25% from 8% a few years back. The employee contribution to HC in term of premium/co-pay had also being raised with each new contracts in most districts.

    California is probably a little ahead of the curve regarding employee contributions because their fiscal situation (ex-Illinois and NJ) is worse than everywhere else. IIRC, NY teachers contribute small amounts, though probably calculated in $ per check rather than % of annual pay.

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  102. @Steve Sailer
    Teacher tests have been made harder over the last 20 years or so, which is why public school teacher ranks are still so white. A lot of people would like to start World War Teacher to take the jobs of the nice white lady teachers, but they haven't quite figured out the right tactics. But you can see the momentum gathering with this one study about how black youths do better with black teachers. (I don't know if it has been replicated or not.)

    Steve, they will push out the Nice Old White Lady Teachers (NOWLT) by making the classrooms an absolute hellhole of physical and verbal abuse. You already see countless stories and studies on how black students are “over” disciplined and suspended from school. As soon as the classroom becomes a MMA Octagon, the battered NOWLTs will flee or take an early pension. Young white girls will be steered away from teaching. The reason: powerful teachers’ unions find that blacks are easy to lead, even when you give them positions of importance , not actual power. They become a controllable voting bloc. The leaders of the national teachers union get great paychecks and have disproportionate power in politics. “But it’s for the children” is a mighty sledge hammer.

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  103. @Daniel Chieh

    So far no one has a method by which blacks learn as well as whites – but as long as their is lots of tax money available – someone will propose a new theory.

     

    This is a great industry, solving it would just ruin the potential for future profits.

    Daniel.. . . Almost in need of a RICO investigation. The national teachers unions have probably done more damage to America than organized crime. Yeah, I know that’s hyperbole, but consider how much damage has been done to this country by liberal education policies. I will humbly take criticism on this point.

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  104. @Alfa158
    The bigger the city, the bigger the pay and pension. I don't know how long it can be sustained. One of my wife's colleagues's was married to a worker for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. He retired on a typical pension for workers at that utility, $10k per month. The DWP routinely raises water rates by 10% to 20% at a shot. When citizens complain, the governing commission has implicitly said they don't care, their responsibility is to the union members, not the public, and there is nothing you can do about it because in effect they pick who gets to hold public office and appoint them to the board.
    In California at least there is a law that requires that records on the salary and pension of all state and local public sector workers must be accessible to the public. During the Presidential campaign a commenter had found news reports identifying some of the San Jose patrol officers who had stood by while Trump supporters were attacked. Those officers during the previous year had, with overtime, averaged $300k in pay.
    One thing about teachers is that it is no longer quite such a 7 hour a day 184 day job. Thanks to the massive growth in the administrative segment of the educational establishment the teachers I know complain that they have to put in long hours after school doing all the busy work reporting and documentation that the administrators have put into place in order to justify their jobs. The schools also are open late with after school programs because the kids parents need day care for them while they are working at the car wash or nannying other people's kids. In LA because of the population explosion for mass immigration, schools are pretty much in operation year-round on split schedules to take care of every one. During the last budget crisis when the schools had to close for the summer, there was massive wailing from parents about losing their free day care provider.

    Alfa, It can’t be sustained. The American cities that have filed for bankruptcy did so because of unfunded pension liabilities, which in Chicago’s case is $10BILLION and climbing. Teachers talk about their long hours but they now have the omnipresent aides that watch the classroom while the teacher grades papers and updates the lesson plan. Teachers’ aides are another reason school budgets are so high. Check out the teachers’ parking lot after the last bell, pretty empty. Teacher union contracts mandate the work schedule and the hours, so your teacher friends are blowing smoke. Buffalo Public School teachers average 18 days of absence from the class room, that is three weeks plus! What other industry would allow you to be absent that much and still retain your job! Reason is: substitute teaching is another lucrative segment of teaching. Otherwise, we’re good.

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    substitute teaching is another lucrative segment of teaching
     
    Yeah, not so much. $80-90 per day, no bennies in even the best districts which are hard to get into. Subs are the adjuncts of K-12.
  105. @Barnard
    The education establishment is going on 50 years of making up excuses to explain away the achievement gap and justify why they need just a little more money to finally solve it once and for all. Are there any limits to their creativity? I wonder if they will circle back to some of their old excuses after enough time passes.

    Barnard, Do you know what a Mobius band is? That is the apt description of the American educational system, an never ending loop.

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  106. @Arclight
    Always a new excuse - one group of progressives says blacks need black teachers, another says they need to be in white-majority schools, another says they need to have an Afro-centric curriculum to keep them engaged, yet another says you can't expect blacks to sit still, be quiet or speak correctly because it's not their culture.

    It all adds up to the left admitting one way or another that they are totally baffled about what to do with the most troubled part of their base after years of promising this or that solution will turn everything around - but it never does. So naturally it must be blamed on a different group in society or phenomena like "privilege" because the left sincerely believes that of all the people on Earth who have ever faced obstacles to freedom or success, American blacks are uniquely incapable of helping themselves.

    Arclight, You nailed it when you said this is their “base.” They built on this shit foundation and they are stuck with it. They need the votes.

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  107. @Baltimore teacher
    Yes, the ability to read and think critically, especially when it involves data or concepts such as quantities of time or percentages, is nearly zero in the most isolated AA students. The very idea that these skills relate to "real life" is lost on them. Many (nearly all) of their parents think they should pass just for showing up.

    Likewise, the idea that a mere 10-20 miles up I-95 there are **entire schools** filled with students who can compare prokaryotes and eukaryotes or find the molecular mass of C2H6 is unreal to them.

    On the other hand, they can repeat every line from a newly released rap song and will compete with each other to see who can do the best version. All in the same period they write a 2 sentence answer to a full-page essay question.

    BT, Telling that they can repeat all the lyrics of a new rap song but little from yesterday’s lesson plan. So the SOLUTION! Teach black students all classes in rap! There, run with that and copyright your lesson plan and remember me when you are rich. And, this is just me saying this, but nice to have you around.

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  108. @Reg Cæsar

    I had a couple of good teachers who happened to be black growing up.
     
    What color are they now?

    Reg, Funny, but be nice. I remember when a sports reporter asked Doug Williams, ” How long have you been a black quarterback?” “Um, all my life.”

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    I remember when a sports reporter asked Doug Williams, ” How long have you been a black quarterback?” “Um, all my life.”
     
    That's kinda young to start, even for Tiger Woods.

    Nashville Cats, been playin' since they's babies,
    Nashville Cats, get work before they're two.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulVQsQBenvs
  109. @Whiskey
    World War Teacher will be excellent. First, firing every single one of the Nice White Lady teachers in favor of Dontavious and Shaniqua and Shitavious is a good thing. Nothing radicalizes someone more than losing money, noted Machiavelli. A Nice White Lady teacher fired so that DBrickashaw can take her job is a brand new radical member of the Alt-Right.

    Second, what's public school when EVERY TEACHER IS BLACK? Yep its a WorldStarHipHop video every single second, and will be as attractive to parents of White kids as a trip to Compton or Chicago's South Side. White support for public education will go to ZERO, and they will flee to either homeschooling or Religious Education that is private. Either way, Democrats/Aristocrats (same thing) lose a huge base, by going all Black. They don't gain any marginal Black supporters who would otherwise stay home or vote Republican (that's a function of walking around money at election time). And they lose all those nice White Lady teachers.

    Then there will be huge efforts by the White middle and working, and fired Nice White Lady teachers, and large portions of the lesser Nobility to simply erase public schooling. Since it will be a drain on them and fights over money are always more vicious and lasting. Aristo Dems have traded on the everyone in the party bit of public education, but when its all Black all the Time, it will have the same pulling power as WorldStar.

    Whiskey, Nice job, you said it all. You went to Catholic schools?

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  110. @Mr. Anon

    Where Did All the Black Teachers Go?
     
    Jail?

    Atlanta Public Schools Cheating Scandal

    Perhaps this recent event gives some indication as to why black teachers are so indispensible.

    Mr. Anon, This is the best example of “The school to prison pipeline”, built by whites without EPA interference.

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  111. @David Davenport
    This skill send to be lacking in the black teachers

    At least one Baltimore teacher lacks or tends to lack skill in English grammar.

    David, Well, we are all human here, some more so than others. Reminds me of the story on the Root website a few years back that garnered dozens of replies because a racist recipe stated…”Add one teaspoon of ground black people” and the commenters could not believe that was a typo. I mean, where do you even buy Ground Black People?

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  112. @Stan Adams
    Steve, how can you stand to read all of these mind-numbing articles about the unbearable whiteness of everything? Slogging through this tripe would drive me nuts.

    Stan, doing a job that most Americans won’t do. Steve is the original Dreamer.

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  113. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Any discrimination against Whites is going to affect non-elite Jews just as badly. Most people going into teaching aren't exactly elites (except for Gerald Levin's son).

    There's no question that elites have different interests than the masses and that Jews make a disproportionate percentage of elites. But the vast majority of Jews aren't elites and are getting just as screwed by the extreme levels of anti-White discrimination in America.

    The question of what fraction of Jews are not elite is an interesting one. What fraction of Jews are not in the top 20% of incomes, when compared to those of similar age and sex?

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    Top 20% of incomes is not a good bar for membership in the elite. There are police, teachers, journeyman electricians, accountants, nurses, etc. in the top 20% of incomes.
  114. @Luke55
    No, the molecular mass of one molecule of Ethane is (roughly) 30 atomic mass units, NOT 30 grams. The latter weight would require one mole (Avogadro's # of molecules, roughly 6.023 x 10 to the 23rd) of molecules.

    Like, Stop. The two of you just stop. Scarlet could have written “Blue” as the answer and most of us would be ok with it. Well, me anyways.

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  115. @dearieme
    To what sorts of schools do black teachers send their own children?

    deari, To the school closest to their baby momma or baby daddy’s crib.

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  116. @The Alarmist
    If you are a fairly literate and well spoken person of colour, you can easily land a corporate diversity officer job that pays well into six figures ... bonus points if you are female, trifecta if you are also gay, perfecta if you are post-op transgender.

    Alarmist, Joe Biden described Barrack Obama that way and look where Obama wound up.

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  117. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Any discrimination against Whites is going to affect non-elite Jews just as badly. Most people going into teaching aren't exactly elites (except for Gerald Levin's son).

    There's no question that elites have different interests than the masses and that Jews make a disproportionate percentage of elites. But the vast majority of Jews aren't elites and are getting just as screwed by the extreme levels of anti-White discrimination in America.

    The question of what fraction of Jews are not elite is an interesting one. What fraction of Jews are not in the top 20% of incomes, when compared to those of similar age and sex?

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  118. @res
    Another good question. I wonder if there are statistics available to answer it.

    This study looks like a decent start: Race and the Principal Pipeline - Center for Education Policy Analysis
    Some commentary on the paper along with a link to the PDF (probably a better place to start than the 50 page PDF): https://cepa.stanford.edu/news/race-and-principal-pipeline

    Some excerpts:

    The analysis of demographic data from national, state, and local sources shows variation in the representation of Blacks in the principal workforce. At the national level, 11 percent of principals are black, though the percentage of black principals nearly doubles (21 percent) in urban communities (see Figure 1). In Wisconsin, the share of black principals is five percent and the representation of black principals in Milwaukee is 49 percent. The representation of black principals differs from that of black teachers.
    ...
    At the national level, the share of black principals is four percentage points higher than the share of black teachers, that is more than a 50 percent increase. It is nine percentage-points (75 percent) higher in urban communities. In Wisconsin, the share of black principals relative to teachers is three percentage points (150 percent) higher and 29 percentage points (145 percent) higher in Milwaukee. The share of black principals is higher than the share of black teachers and the difference in representation is much greater in urban areas. Thus, black principals are relatively over-represented in the principal workforce compared to teachers.
    ...
    The over-representation relative to teachers does not necessarily imply overrepresentation since a higher proportion of teachers than students are white.
    ...
    In other words, the representation of black principals is lower than that of students.
    ...
    Taken together, these results indicate black principals are more representative of the black student population than are black teachers, though still not fully representative. This result is somewhat surprising given that almost all principals are former teachers. In the next sections, we explore the role of race and ethnicity in the transition from teacher to principal.

     


    Black teachers have the highest probability of becoming principals throughout the teacher lifecycle. Hispanic teachers have the lowest probabilities and the probabilities for white teachers are situated between the two minority groups. The racial differences in the hazard functions are statistically significant.

     


    The inclusion of teacher characteristics, school characteristics, and year fixed effects increases the odds ratio from 2.18 to 6.36.
     
    Wow. Not a subtle effect! The picture is more complicated for Hispanics.

    The results from the prior tables show that race is a significant predictor of teacher movement into some intermediary positions. In particular, minority teachers are more likely to possess leadership experiences that may make them appealing principal candidates. However, they tend come from schools that are, on average, less likely to produce leaders.
     
    Emphasis mine in the next quote.

    We also find racial differences in teachers' intent to pursue an administrative credential. Although, some teachers may get obtain an administrative to increase their wages, the intent to pursue an administrative credential provides a signal (albeit fuzzy) of a teacher's desire for school leadership. Our analysis finds a greater proportion of black teachers report currently pursuing a credential than white teachers (10 percent compared to 2 percent). The racial gap in intent widens when examine novice teachers. Among teachers with no more than three years of experience, four percent of white teachers report currently pursuing a credential compared to 22 percent of black teachers and 25 percent of Hispanic teachers. This further supports the supplyside explanation for racial differences in principal labor force exist because black teachers are more likely to desire a career in school administration.
     
    Looks like you are onto something...

    P.S. That paper looks like an honest attempt to address the issue and ask relevant questions. It also includes supporting figures and tables.

    res, Harvard offers a doctorate in Urban Education to train black school superintendents. Black school superintendents are the best scam going. Quit or get fired, take your severance package and move on to the next job. Buffalo’s new school superintendent,Kriener Cash, took the job, but just rented a house, he said he wasn’t here to put down roots and he didn’t want the hassle of selling a house if the board terminated him or he quit. The sup before him, Dr. Pamela Brown, Harvard Phd.(see above), was hired at $240K and was so unqualified that the school board hired a mentor to train her. The mentor was a black woman who hired two more black woman mentors to help her train Dr. Brown. The majority black school board was on recorded as saying they wanted a sup that resembled the majority of the students, you know, black for black.

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    Black school superintendents are the best scam going.

    Yep. Even here - my 90% White county (voted 65% for Trump) just hired a black school superintendent at $250K.

    Another somewhat scam is that cities nationwide are all trying to hire a black (or female) police chief.
  119. @Bill
    That's certainly how AA admission to the Ivies has worked out. Oh, wait . . .

    The number of Jews in Ivies has been vastly overestimated. Regardless, they are not competing for teaching jobs. The 5% or so of Jews that are elites (and maybe 1% of White non-Jews) are doing better than ever. That does absolutely nothing for the rest of us.

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  120. @Mr. Blank
    The teachers are saying they don't want to be typecast as The Teacher Who Handles Those Troublesome Black Kids. It's not an unreasonable gripe. A lot of black people hate it when they start at a new job and suddenly get promoted to Vice President of Black Stuff.

    A lot of black people hate it when they start at a new job and suddenly get promoted to Vice President of Black Stuff.

    And a lot of black people want exactly that.

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  121. In 1987, a couple of years out of undergrad w/ my BS Computer Science, I wanted to escape the New England winters and, almost on a lark, sent in my resume to the Miami-Dade County School District. Within two weeks, I was being interviewed at their Biscayne Blvd., Miami headquarters and, even though I never spent once second in front of a classroom, before lunchtime I had a job offer to teach math at the same salary as my software job back home. I ended up backing out but, to think, if I had taken that job (and lasted), this year would have made my 30th year and full retirement in my early 50s at probably about $50K annual lifetime pension plus annual COLA.

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    E- my question would be, would you have lasted? My presumption is that since you read and comment on this site you're no dummy. Being " not a dummy" is a requirement for teaching high school, but is not sufficient. You have to be able to control the classroom, which in some ways I think, is like speed in athletics . You either have it or you don't. One can get faster, but one cannot become fast. Similarly if you're not someone who can control a classroom to begin with you can get better at it, but probably never will be great at it. BTW any mistakes in this are due to my dictating while I'm watching the Bruins game.
  122. @Forbes
    The conversation with a school teacher eventually (as a sort of Murphy's Law) turns to their pay and benefits as poor, as compared to some other school district or what they would receive in the private sector. The unrealistic expectations and/or terms can be counted on to be uninformed, with a misunderstanding of what the cost of their benefits and pension compensation actually amounts to--especially as compared to the private sector.

    It is impossible to think of any private sector middle class/middle income occupation where retirement before age 65 is possible, without inherited wealth or reliance on a second source of income (or substantial personal savings), yet retirement after 30 years teaching is an expectation.

    Teaching jobs have nearly always struck me as a jobs program for adults, with student learning an after thought--an incidental or accidental by-product of day care for adolescents. There are exceptions, of course, that of "the exceptions that prove the rule" sort.

    Forbes, Nicely stated. Teachers also think that they are the only ones who ever go in early or stay late or bring work home. They are also saddled with buying “supplies”, because electricians, mechanics, plumbers, etc. are given full tool boxes and pick-up trucks.

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  123. Forbes says:
    @Tiny Duck
    What needs to happen to fix schools is that whites cannot be allowed to be a majority anywhere

    Doesn’t appear to be working as the schools in majority-minority (non-white majority) cities are colossal failures.

    But nice try.

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  124. @Buffalo Joe
    res, Harvard offers a doctorate in Urban Education to train black school superintendents. Black school superintendents are the best scam going. Quit or get fired, take your severance package and move on to the next job. Buffalo's new school superintendent,Kriener Cash, took the job, but just rented a house, he said he wasn't here to put down roots and he didn't want the hassle of selling a house if the board terminated him or he quit. The sup before him, Dr. Pamela Brown, Harvard Phd.(see above), was hired at $240K and was so unqualified that the school board hired a mentor to train her. The mentor was a black woman who hired two more black woman mentors to help her train Dr. Brown. The majority black school board was on recorded as saying they wanted a sup that resembled the majority of the students, you know, black for black.

    Black school superintendents are the best scam going.

    Yep. Even here – my 90% White county (voted 65% for Trump) just hired a black school superintendent at $250K.

    Another somewhat scam is that cities nationwide are all trying to hire a black (or female) police chief.

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  125. Steve,

    What obstacles? Life is Beautiful!

    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/04/21/why-pick-on-middlebury/

    This gentleman could perhaps benefit from your unique brand of enlightenment.

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  126. Ganderson says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, I refuse to sit with my cousin and his wife at any family functions. She is an active BPS teacher, he is a retired BPS teacher. They complain constantly about finances. She makes a paltry $84K teaching art, he collects his full pension and teaches to ESL students part time at $75 p/hr. They live in a lake front home and summer in Europe. I have a friend who was a BPS teacher. He went into consulting and has done extremely well. He is embarrassed by his friends that are still teachers, their constant complaining about pay is unbearable.

    Joe- I’m a high school teacher.I feel I’m well compensated for what I do. The kids I teach however , are mostly interested in what I have to offer. Teaching at a ghetto school where none of the kids, or nearly none of the kids, have any interest in anything remotely academic it’s just a sucky job. There is no amount of money that would convince me to teach in such a school.

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    Ganderson, thank you for your reply and your honesty.
  127. Ganderson says:
    @E. Rekshun
    In 1987, a couple of years out of undergrad w/ my BS Computer Science, I wanted to escape the New England winters and, almost on a lark, sent in my resume to the Miami-Dade County School District. Within two weeks, I was being interviewed at their Biscayne Blvd., Miami headquarters and, even though I never spent once second in front of a classroom, before lunchtime I had a job offer to teach math at the same salary as my software job back home. I ended up backing out but, to think, if I had taken that job (and lasted), this year would have made my 30th year and full retirement in my early 50s at probably about $50K annual lifetime pension plus annual COLA.

    E- my question would be, would you have lasted? My presumption is that since you read and comment on this site you’re no dummy. Being ” not a dummy” is a requirement for teaching high school, but is not sufficient. You have to be able to control the classroom, which in some ways I think, is like speed in athletics . You either have it or you don’t. One can get faster, but one cannot become fast. Similarly if you’re not someone who can control a classroom to begin with you can get better at it, but probably never will be great at it. BTW any mistakes in this are due to my dictating while I’m watching the Bruins game.

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  128. MBlanc46 says:
    @Dennis Dale
    Yet another example of the goodthinkers' complete conditioning at this late stage rendering them incapable of even thinking certain things; in this case, the headline and their concern should be why aren't blacks proving capable and willing teachers? This plays out over and over again, particularly with blacks but also the other major minorities and women, where mediocrity, failure or simple lack of interest in a field (as we've seen they're even coming after hobbies) on the part of presumed victims is deemed a priori evidence of bias that can only be corrected with more laws, programs; everything is rammed into the Narrate 0 Matic and comes out gravy for the activist class.

    Dennis Dale: Narrate o Matic. Love it.

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  129. @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, It can't be sustained. The American cities that have filed for bankruptcy did so because of unfunded pension liabilities, which in Chicago's case is $10BILLION and climbing. Teachers talk about their long hours but they now have the omnipresent aides that watch the classroom while the teacher grades papers and updates the lesson plan. Teachers' aides are another reason school budgets are so high. Check out the teachers' parking lot after the last bell, pretty empty. Teacher union contracts mandate the work schedule and the hours, so your teacher friends are blowing smoke. Buffalo Public School teachers average 18 days of absence from the class room, that is three weeks plus! What other industry would allow you to be absent that much and still retain your job! Reason is: substitute teaching is another lucrative segment of teaching. Otherwise, we're good.

    substitute teaching is another lucrative segment of teaching

    Yeah, not so much. $80-90 per day, no bennies in even the best districts which are hard to get into. Subs are the adjuncts of K-12.

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    desi, my wife, who works for the district, says you are right, subs make about $15 p/hr here. Last year Buffalo spent $7.5 million on substitute teachers and that says a lot about the commitment of BPS teachers to their careers. Using the $15 p/hr sub pay, that means that teachers under contract missed 500,000 hrs. of class time.
  130. biz says:
    @oddsbodkins
    The question of what fraction of Jews are not elite is an interesting one. What fraction of Jews are not in the top 20% of incomes, when compared to those of similar age and sex?

    Top 20% of incomes is not a good bar for membership in the elite. There are police, teachers, journeyman electricians, accountants, nurses, etc. in the top 20% of incomes.

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  131. @Ganderson
    Joe- I'm a high school teacher.I feel I'm well compensated for what I do. The kids I teach however , are mostly interested in what I have to offer. Teaching at a ghetto school where none of the kids, or nearly none of the kids, have any interest in anything remotely academic it's just a sucky job. There is no amount of money that would convince me to teach in such a school.

    Ganderson, thank you for your reply and your honesty.

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  132. @Desiderius

    substitute teaching is another lucrative segment of teaching
     
    Yeah, not so much. $80-90 per day, no bennies in even the best districts which are hard to get into. Subs are the adjuncts of K-12.

    desi, my wife, who works for the district, says you are right, subs make about $15 p/hr here. Last year Buffalo spent $7.5 million on substitute teachers and that says a lot about the commitment of BPS teachers to their careers. Using the $15 p/hr sub pay, that means that teachers under contract missed 500,000 hrs. of class time.

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  133. @Buffalo Joe
    Reg, Funny, but be nice. I remember when a sports reporter asked Doug Williams, " How long have you been a black quarterback?" "Um, all my life."

    I remember when a sports reporter asked Doug Williams, ” How long have you been a black quarterback?” “Um, all my life.”

    That’s kinda young to start, even for Tiger Woods.

    Nashville Cats, been playin’ since they’s babies,
    Nashville Cats, get work before they’re two.

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  134. Yak-15 says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Europe has terminally lost its way. Why do you care?
     
    I look upon such phenomenons as the one I described above in France right now as huge scale social experminents, which nobody could pay to set up - not even if a really rich university would share the cost and sell the publishing rights to Hollywood or something like this - uhh - but you can sort of read/decipher them (those big scale social experiments) and draw conclusions from them - and maybe learn from them - practically for free. And I do think we still can learn from them.

    Plus - I, as a German may I add, love France - not only Montaingne and Chamfort, Diderot, Chopin, Molière (sigh - his play Le Malade Imaginaire (The Imaginary Invalid)) is one of the ... best plays ever! - it should be taught in medical school, including the fact, that Molière wrote it, when being terminally ill - and died on stage, playing (!) the Imaginary Invalid - now, I mean: That's the best combination of humor and wisdom and artist's courage I've ever come across!). Ok, then there are the photographers Ronis and Atget and painters Renoir and Corot and...I love to visit France. The rural south - - - the Cévennes, the Massif Céntral - bikers heaven, really. Burgundy. The Loire. The French Jura. And that is all until now pretty much intact. And the shere beauty of it... The north is good too, but cities like Lille start to get frightening. No go areas, where the locals urge you to walk around - in bright daylight. And areas with pretty poor white folks, which have lost all their charme.

    It’s very sad to see in person. I wish things were different but I see a fate similar to Lebanon as France’s future.

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  135. @Stan Adams
    Steve, how can you stand to read all of these mind-numbing articles about the unbearable whiteness of everything? Slogging through this tripe would drive me nuts.

    As it has Steve.

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