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From the NYT Op-Ed Page:

The Opinion Pages | CONTRIBUTING OP-ED WRITER

The Virginia Shooter Wanted Fame. Let’s Not Give It to Him.

Zeynep Tufekci

A BRUTAL attack takes place on live television; the on-air reporter and cameraman are fatally shot while at work on an early morning story.

The resulting footage — essentially a stomach-churning snuff film — aired on cable news, and was embedded in online news reports.

In a further grotesque twist, the killer filmed the episode and posted his first-person shooter video on social media. “See Facebook,” he tweeted, directing readers to the video that he also posted on Twitter, and which auto-played on many streams as people shared the posts.

This is probably exactly what the shooter, who took two lives and then his own on Wednesday in Virginia, was hoping for in his engineering of mass media and viral infamy. And he is not the only one. Studies show a rise in public mass shootings in the years since the 1999 killings at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

These incidents are often followed by discussions of the availability of guns, and about mental health support. Those are crucial issues. But there is something else going on, too: Many of these shooters are seeking a twisted form of notoriety. The killers’ success in obtaining the distorted fame they seek is helping inspire the next troubled person.

We need to understand the copycat aspect of these killings so that we can start dampening this effect.

I am sympathetic to this line of argument in general. I reported upon a post-Columbine copycat school shooting in 2001 and felt like my presence (and the presence of 31 different media outlets’ satellite camera trucks) was just encouraging the next little creep. (Oddly enough, however, classic school shootings largely halted after the one I covered.)

Of course, the media didn’t seem to have any qualms about rewarding with fame the white South Carolina shooter who murdered those black churchgoers. Indeed, that little bastard’s crime seems almost perfectly calibrated to get his name repeated in the prestige press in endless thinkpieces about how the terrible racial injustices of the past are still rampant in the Evil South. The most plausible explanation for his choice of victims was to ensure his notoriety.

Now, a black gay Virginia shooter all hyped up by mainstream media’s constant identity politics hatemongering, a mediacrity himself, murders two straight white people. So now it’s time to hush up about the killer’s amply documented motivations …

 
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  1. Columbine shooters were clearly motivated in part by fame, but plenty of these guys are just plain crazy. The Virginia Tech shooter claimed to have a supermodel girlfriend from outer space whose name was “Jelly.” Trying to calibrate our actions to avoid setting off crazy people is pointless.

    Mass shootings have become a thing now, and I don’t know if you can get that toothpaste back into the tube. The institution of going postal is a meme that occupies psychological space in people’s minds, from the sane to the borderline to the completely deranged. People see it as a possible course of action where previously they didn’t.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    True, but postal workers go postal much less often these days.
    , @Stan D Mute
    We have 300,000,000+ people now and a small fraction the social cohesion we had just a generation or two ago. Those are big factors. And let's not imagine mass murder is a new feature. We had the Zebra killings flushed down the memory hole along with many others. And the all time worst was the michigan guy who blew up a school full of kids because he was upset about his taxes. Our media today pretends every new shooting is unprecedented and the worst one ever in a bid to get more viewers and clicks.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Sparkling Wiggle says:

    Mass shootings have become a thing now, and I don’t know if you can get that toothpaste back into the tube. The institution of going postal is a meme that occupies psychological space in people’s minds, from the sane to the borderline to the completely deranged. People see it as a possible course of action where previously they didn’t."

    A lot of the people who are liable to do that kind of thing are not especially well informed. They live in a sea of media ephemera with a very short time horizon. If the "going postal" meme can be suppressed for a few years, it would be almost as if it had never existed at all. How much of what was going on in the public eye back in 2010 can you even remember now? Or 2012? Or even last year? And you are probably a lot smarter and more clued in than the average rampage killer.
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  2. What a wild coincidence!!

    Talk about the media “having your cake, and eating it too”. Is there anyway of breaking the evil MSM? Trump might be able to, but it will be a long shot. Thank goodness for the internet, shining a light on these lying race-mongers.

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    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    "Trump might be able to, but it will be a long shot."

    On that subject, I was just thinking - Trump/Zimmerman 2016! The Donald and The Zim-Zam on the same ticket would tear a serious f***ing hole out of the space-time continuum!
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  3. How convenient!

    Of course the only reason why this incident got nationwide – and even worldwide – attention is the fact that it was caught on camera. It it were not for that, the story would’ve been thrown into the bin of silence along with countless other dog bites man stories.

    As for copycats, regarding the MO, I’m sure that many aspiring gangta’s were greatly impressed by the POV style, and consider it very innovative. Maybe sometime soon somebody will try to top it with a selfie-stick or something.

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  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve,

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but ((((((the media)))))) wants to suppress information that would engender European-American solidarity and fellow feeling. Coverage of black crime would do that–and hence such information is downplayed. Coverage of this vicious racial hate crime against two whites in the flush of youth also would do that–and hence, as we are seeing, is suppressed.

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    • Replies: @The Trumpening
    Ding ding, we have a winner.

    And in general, we need to do less complaining and pointing out inconsistency and hypocrisy and more straightforward explaining what has been and is going on, and discussing ways forward to set things right proper.

    Comes a Trumpening.
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  5. @Sparkling Wiggle
    Columbine shooters were clearly motivated in part by fame, but plenty of these guys are just plain crazy. The Virginia Tech shooter claimed to have a supermodel girlfriend from outer space whose name was "Jelly." Trying to calibrate our actions to avoid setting off crazy people is pointless.

    Mass shootings have become a thing now, and I don't know if you can get that toothpaste back into the tube. The institution of going postal is a meme that occupies psychological space in people's minds, from the sane to the borderline to the completely deranged. People see it as a possible course of action where previously they didn't.

    True, but postal workers go postal much less often these days.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I wonder if that is related to the worsening of the economy making postal workers more appreciative of having a job with good pay and benefits.
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  6. @PistolPete
    What a wild coincidence!!

    Talk about the media "having your cake, and eating it too". Is there anyway of breaking the evil MSM? Trump might be able to, but it will be a long shot. Thank goodness for the internet, shining a light on these lying race-mongers.

    “Trump might be able to, but it will be a long shot.”

    On that subject, I was just thinking – Trump/Zimmerman 2016! The Donald and The Zim-Zam on the same ticket would tear a serious f***ing hole out of the space-time continuum!

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  7. What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

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    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos
    My first guess is Turkish.

    Writing for NYT, just another job Americans won't do.
    , @Anonymous
    Zeynep = female name
    Tufekci = Turkish surname
    , @Lugash
    Turkish? Initially I thought there was memory corruption or a rendering bug in the NYT web page.

    Edit: Yep, female Turk assistant prof of computer science/digital studies.

    , @young_american
    The NYT should replace 100% of its staff with H1-B visa holders. Who could oppose that?
    , @Big Bill
    If you cannot tell from its name whether it is a male home sapiens, female home sapiens, cat, dog, automobile model, dessert topping, floor wax or galaxy, then it has no business immigrating to the USA.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci?
     
    That's the first thing that struck me. It sounds like a kosher or halal butcher's take on turducken.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci?

     

    Anagram:
    Cute Fez, Ye Pink.
    , @WhatEvvs
    "Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!"

    Actually, the NY Times should be using commentators from around the world. They would do a lot better than Tom Friedman's idiotic, breathless, on-his-knees garbage about India. The world is flat, it would be easy. They wouldn't even need an H1-B visa to run op-eds from a variety of great, English-speaking Indian commentators.
    , @Pericles
    Replace the NYT journalist and editorial staff entirely with Turks so as to provide fresh, diverse perspectives. I think it would be quite a learning experience, not to mention fun.
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  8. http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=311

    Mark Ames’s Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion: From Reagan’s Workplaces to Clinton’s Columbine and Beyond.

    Topics discussed include:

    How slaves in the antebellum South were conditioned to accept slavery and how it relates to corporate America.
    How Ronald Reagan restructured the economic system
    Why Reagaonomics provocked spree shootings
    Why the Right-wing is wrong when it misinterprets political correctness for egalitarianism and how America today is the most inegalitarian in its history
    Why whites are overrepresneted among spree shooters.
    How managerialism combines the worst aspects of capitalism and socialism
    The connection between standardized tests and school shootings
    How the value of the college degree collapsed.
    How bullying in schools is institutionalized and how prevention of retribution against bullying contributes to spree shootings
    How sexual frustration contributes to spree shootings but the manosphere is wrong about its the primary reason
    How feminism and mass immigration suppress wages and how Ames ignores those issues and complains about scapegoating of immigrants.
    How the Alternative Right has failed to adress the economic issue
    Andy Nowicki’s The Columbine Pilgrim
    Why suffering seldom ennobles people but instead makes them into monsters
    The aim of workplace shootings is to destroy the system that oppresses the shooter
    The aim of school shootings is to destroy a system of oppression, most often bullies

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    • Replies: @NeonBets
    You left out a few of the topics from that Mark Ames podcast:

    How Mark Ames (and possibly Matt Taibbi) engaged in statutory rape of 14 year olds, bragged about it their memoir and referred to them as "c*nts".

    How statutory rape (see also Roman Polanski) is perfectly fine so long as one holds proper left-leaning credentials.

    How it's not really even statutory rape if you are in Russia "banging" 14 year old girls who were essentially throw-away orphan-sex-slaves from a collapsed state with no guardian other than a pimp.

    How Ames and Taibbi took the normal frat-boy experience, stuck an exponent on it, revved that mother up to the fifth power...but nonetheless...this dynamic duo has maintained an exalted position in the MSM with Tiabbi even landing a premier gig at none other than Rolling Stone.

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  9. Alternative title:

    “Let’s Memory-Hole the Black, Gay Criminal’s Hate Crime Against White Gentiles, Ok People?”

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    • Agree: Kylie
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  10. It’s amazing the things the NYT sometimes suddenly discover. Like how ridiculously sensitive college students are about being offended – when Duke freshmen object to reading a gay comic book. Or how federal judges can be animated by partisanship – like when a judge in the south objects to Obamnesty. Of course these are just one-off developments that have no wider applicability beyond these specific instances.

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  11. Too bad these notoriety-seeking imbeciles aren’t around to wallow in their infamy. Notoriety +Suicide is somewhat oxymoronic, isn’t it?

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  12. Going postal.
    White beta-male rage.
    Affirmative Action racist co-worker revenge.

    We could create a FBI division to investigate incidences where blacks accuse whites of racism, as that is sometimes a precursor to a mass-shooting event. Hear something, say something. Filing a racial discrimination suit would also be a red flag.

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  13. Not that I expect integrity from the press these days especially but I was a bit taken aback by the choice of images so many newspapers – & not just tabloids but even some ‘respectable’ ones – put on their front cover. I’d like to think even 10 years ago it would have been different. Carefully picking the frame to ‘best’ show the terror on her face as she gets shot, from the killer’s eye view, and plaster it all over your front page. Some even photoshopped lurid muzzle flash in there to further cartoonize an image I’ve seen a lot of people say already looked like something out of a computer game.

    So they gave the killer what he want, in spades. I’m sure the message will sink in to any other losers who want people to hear them yell on the way out. Of course these images are easy to find on the internet, but if you have to go to a gore site to see them, at least it ‘feels’ seedy & wrong (like using an affair website, I guess), but with mainstream press chasing the ‘gorn’ market by plastering it all over public spaces, it normalises it. Of course if you cornered any of the editors who approved, selected, photoshopped those pics they’d blather about ‘free press’ ‘reporting the news’ etc. Not until it was their daughter, wife, mother…

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    > Of course if you cornered any of the editors who approved, selected,
    > photoshopped those pics they’d blather about ‘free press’
    > ‘reporting the news’ etc. Not until it was their daughter, wife, mother

    Are you sure?

    Marx supercedes such quotidian concerns such as offspring, siblings and soulmates. I.e., assuming you are a barn-animal-in-estrus-attracted, calf-loving, goat-head worshipping SJW. Faustian bargain anyone?
    , @larry lurker

    Some even photoshopped lurid muzzle flash in there to further cartoonize an image I’ve seen a lot of people say already looked like something out of a computer game.
     
    I share in your queasiness over how prominently these images are being displayed in some mainstream media outlets, but the muzzle flashes were definitely not photoshopped- they're in the original video and clearly visible if you watch in super slow motion using something like VLC Player (not that I'm recommending anyone do this.)

    Right now we've probably got some outlets running a muzzle flash frame and others running a frame from 1/30th of a second earlier, so I can see why people would assume the flashes are shopped.

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  14. The media often discovers themes that distinguish mass shootings from each other. For example, Jihad (everywhere), anti-Jihad (Norway), Batman (Colorado).

    The Roanoke gunman made Twitter and Facebook pronouncements about “race war” and his desire for revenge after his victims’ “racist comments,” so The New York Times suggested at first that the theme here was… social media. But that didn’t stick. Today, after much analysis, the official theme of the Roanoke gunman has emerged: he was a gunman.

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    • Replies: @IA
    MSM never uses jihad. Obama banned use of Islam.
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  15. I usually go out of my way not to name these killers, but will name the location. Probably makes no difference.

    However, the reticence in this case seems spurious since it was not present in VA Tech, nor Sandy Hook, nor that weirdo in So Cal who shot those girls a year or so ago, nor with the guy in South Carolina.

    Basically, the rule appears to be: if you can blame it on guns, or, if you can use the shooting to promote a specific narrative (racism, violence against women), OK. But in the case of a gay black man who shoots three people, including two white women, and kills two of them, better just change the subject.

    Of course it’s deeply hypocritical, and while I don’t really mind deep sixing this story, then they should have been honest about the South Carolina shooting as well: namely, crazy people do crazy things, it’s not about the Confederate battle flag, etc.

    For all that, it’s simply too easy for these crackpots to get hold of weapons. I remember after Sandy Hook, there was discussion about limiting the mentally ill from access to weapons, but that was criticized for stigmatizing the “neurologically atypical.” So then the only alternative is taking everyone’s weapons away. That is not going to happen.

    But realistically something has to be done.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Sounds like a good two-step plan to make gun ownership by badwhites illegal: 1) have lefty psychiatrists add, say, "nativism" to the DSM as a psychiatric disorder. 2) ban nativists from owning guns on account of their mental illness.
    , @Chris Mallory
    Those who have been adjudicated as mentally ill are already denied access to weapons. If you want to start restricting rights based on rumor or hearsay, then go take a long walk off a short pier. Any thing short of a hearing to declare a person unfit is just that, rumor and hearsay.
    , @Stan D Mute

    But realistically something has to be done.
     
    Don't keep us in suspense, what? What's the answer? How is government going to prevent whackjobs from getting guns and murdering innocent people?

    Let's keep some perspective too. Horrible as these events are, in a nation of 300,000,000+ people, what are your odds of being randomly murdered by some whackjob? How many are there in a year? 20? 50?

    Maybe we should abandon PC and rat out the whackjobs. If you know someone who is batshit crazy or has major rage issues then turn them in. People don't want to get involved and that is a big part of this problem. Some of this is unavoidable in a nation this large with our right to own guns, but we could do a better job.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    > But realistically something has to be done.

    That's great SPanky. The SWPL/SJW solution is to disarm law-abiding citizens. Is that your proposal? Because that is as far as 'realistically something has to be done' goes. Do you think that will eliminate or even reduce the death of innocents caught up in the delusions of lunatics?
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  16. @Anonymous
    Steve,

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but ((((((the media)))))) wants to suppress information that would engender European-American solidarity and fellow feeling. Coverage of black crime would do that--and hence such information is downplayed. Coverage of this vicious racial hate crime against two whites in the flush of youth also would do that--and hence, as we are seeing, is suppressed.

    Ding ding, we have a winner.

    And in general, we need to do less complaining and pointing out inconsistency and hypocrisy and more straightforward explaining what has been and is going on, and discussing ways forward to set things right proper.

    Comes a Trumpening.

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  17. @Steve Sailer
    True, but postal workers go postal much less often these days.

    I wonder if that is related to the worsening of the economy making postal workers more appreciative of having a job with good pay and benefits.

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    • Replies: @Don't Drone Me, Bro!
    That makes sense, although I remember this as a bad-90s-economy phenomenon. As I understand it, the post office hires based entirely on a written test, meaning people whose personalities would get them filtered out during the usual interview process are able to get jobs there. Probably most of these people are just odd in harmless ways - nervous, hygiene issues, whatever - but people may have developed aversions to certain personalities for a reason. (And it is my duty as an iSteve commenter to predict that finding creepy people creepy will be made a hate crime in 2023 by President-for-Life Caitlyn Jenner (pbuh).)

    I don't know if the post office did something about the problem, but my unscientific survey shows that the most unstable profession these days is engineer. Most workplace shootings seem to be by recently fired engineers, and engineers are wildly over represented in the ranks of terrorists. There is a hurtful stereotype of engineers as all having "weird" or "creepy" personalities, but this is completely unfounded - in reality, the vast majority of engineers strike people as "eerie" or "serial killerish". Education is the key to overcoming ignorance and prejudice.
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  18. @SPMoore8
    I usually go out of my way not to name these killers, but will name the location. Probably makes no difference.

    However, the reticence in this case seems spurious since it was not present in VA Tech, nor Sandy Hook, nor that weirdo in So Cal who shot those girls a year or so ago, nor with the guy in South Carolina.

    Basically, the rule appears to be: if you can blame it on guns, or, if you can use the shooting to promote a specific narrative (racism, violence against women), OK. But in the case of a gay black man who shoots three people, including two white women, and kills two of them, better just change the subject.

    Of course it's deeply hypocritical, and while I don't really mind deep sixing this story, then they should have been honest about the South Carolina shooting as well: namely, crazy people do crazy things, it's not about the Confederate battle flag, etc.

    For all that, it's simply too easy for these crackpots to get hold of weapons. I remember after Sandy Hook, there was discussion about limiting the mentally ill from access to weapons, but that was criticized for stigmatizing the "neurologically atypical." So then the only alternative is taking everyone's weapons away. That is not going to happen.

    But realistically something has to be done.

    Sounds like a good two-step plan to make gun ownership by badwhites illegal: 1) have lefty psychiatrists add, say, “nativism” to the DSM as a psychiatric disorder. 2) ban nativists from owning guns on account of their mental illness.

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    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Yeah, I could see an interpretation going in that direction. But, seriously, no one can seriously argue that most of these shooters in the past ten years had any business acquiring firearms. And if I am going to be presented with only two alternatives, doing nothing to restrict gun ownership, or facing the prospect of seeing my daughter shot dead by a crazy person, I know which way I will vote. If you are serious about protecting the Second Amendment, then there has to be something more on the table than, "Shit happens."
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  19. @Dave Pinsen
    Sounds like a good two-step plan to make gun ownership by badwhites illegal: 1) have lefty psychiatrists add, say, "nativism" to the DSM as a psychiatric disorder. 2) ban nativists from owning guns on account of their mental illness.

    Yeah, I could see an interpretation going in that direction. But, seriously, no one can seriously argue that most of these shooters in the past ten years had any business acquiring firearms. And if I am going to be presented with only two alternatives, doing nothing to restrict gun ownership, or facing the prospect of seeing my daughter shot dead by a crazy person, I know which way I will vote. If you are serious about protecting the Second Amendment, then there has to be something more on the table than, “Shit happens.”

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    My point about the politicization of psychiatry isn't just theoretical: there's a history of it. And it doesn't have to be limited to gun ownership. Why should a nativist be allowed to poison the mind of a young girl? Maybe the state needs to take your daughter away from you.

    As for restricting gun ownership, plenty has already been done, there are already federal regulations in place in addition to state ones: background checks, waiting periods, etc. Gay black guy passed all that. However: it's been mentioned by former coworkers that the shooter had a history of having a violent temper, that he needed to be escorted out of one workplace by cops, that he physically threatened people, etc. And none of that made it on his background check.

    That's an issue, and it's probably related to fear of getting sued, but maybe he wouldn't have been able to buy the gun legally if someone had started a paper trail on him years ago, by filing assault charges on him, or getting a restraining order, etc.
    , @Whiskey
    That's not you alternatives. They are, possibly being armed, or certainly being dusarmed, when approved, gay or Black or gay and Black killers appear. There is no nada none possibility of the US authorities disarming Blacks. Whites yes. Just as France disarmed Whites but every Muslim male seems to have an AK.

    Govt is not not not there to protect you and your family. It exists to protect potential Black or other approved group killers.

    Steve has it wrong. Blacks, gays, Muslims, feminists etc. are the core. We, straight White people, are the marginal and despised fringe.

    The only only only one who will defend you is you. Better be armed. The FBI is too busy investigating Trump and Hilary, email to arrest Vesper Flanagan
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Yeah, I could see an interpretation going in that direction."

    It will go in that direction, if the door is opened. That's why it's important to not open the door.

    "But, seriously, no one can seriously argue that most of these shooters in the past ten years had any business acquiring firearms."

    It is already illegal for people who have been adjudged to be mentally defective from buying a firearm at a gun store. Admittedly it relies on self-reporting, but the form you fill out is inspected by the FBI and compared to thier databases. I would be loath to permit the government even broader lattitude to conduct background investigations of citizens.

    "And if I am going to be presented with only two alternatives, doing nothing to restrict gun ownership, or facing the prospect of seeing my daughter shot dead by a crazy person, I know which way I will vote. If you are serious about protecting the Second Amendment, then there has to be something more on the table than, “Shit happens.”"

    But shit does happen and that's the way life is. You can't legislate away every vicissitude of life. But you can legislate away ancient liberties, and good luck ever getting them back once you do. If your answer to every problem is the lame old "I don't want any parent to go through what I have gone through......" then I know which way I will vote..........against anyone who even breathes the vaguest murmur of gun control.

    Steve is right: the way to combat these lunatics is to stop giving them the attention they crave. It would help if the President of the United States didn't show up at the scene to slather unctuous, fake emotion all over the place in response to such crimes. The fact that these crazy people are able to conjure up the most powerful man in the world with their deranged actions surely serves as an inducement for them.

    I saw today that the governor of Virginia, McAwful or whatever his name is, made an appearance in Roanoake in order to wring some political advantage from the recent incident and score some "I care" brownie-points.
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  20. @SPMoore8
    I usually go out of my way not to name these killers, but will name the location. Probably makes no difference.

    However, the reticence in this case seems spurious since it was not present in VA Tech, nor Sandy Hook, nor that weirdo in So Cal who shot those girls a year or so ago, nor with the guy in South Carolina.

    Basically, the rule appears to be: if you can blame it on guns, or, if you can use the shooting to promote a specific narrative (racism, violence against women), OK. But in the case of a gay black man who shoots three people, including two white women, and kills two of them, better just change the subject.

    Of course it's deeply hypocritical, and while I don't really mind deep sixing this story, then they should have been honest about the South Carolina shooting as well: namely, crazy people do crazy things, it's not about the Confederate battle flag, etc.

    For all that, it's simply too easy for these crackpots to get hold of weapons. I remember after Sandy Hook, there was discussion about limiting the mentally ill from access to weapons, but that was criticized for stigmatizing the "neurologically atypical." So then the only alternative is taking everyone's weapons away. That is not going to happen.

    But realistically something has to be done.

    Those who have been adjudicated as mentally ill are already denied access to weapons. If you want to start restricting rights based on rumor or hearsay, then go take a long walk off a short pier. Any thing short of a hearing to declare a person unfit is just that, rumor and hearsay.

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  21. @SPMoore8
    Yeah, I could see an interpretation going in that direction. But, seriously, no one can seriously argue that most of these shooters in the past ten years had any business acquiring firearms. And if I am going to be presented with only two alternatives, doing nothing to restrict gun ownership, or facing the prospect of seeing my daughter shot dead by a crazy person, I know which way I will vote. If you are serious about protecting the Second Amendment, then there has to be something more on the table than, "Shit happens."

    My point about the politicization of psychiatry isn’t just theoretical: there’s a history of it. And it doesn’t have to be limited to gun ownership. Why should a nativist be allowed to poison the mind of a young girl? Maybe the state needs to take your daughter away from you.

    As for restricting gun ownership, plenty has already been done, there are already federal regulations in place in addition to state ones: background checks, waiting periods, etc. Gay black guy passed all that. However: it’s been mentioned by former coworkers that the shooter had a history of having a violent temper, that he needed to be escorted out of one workplace by cops, that he physically threatened people, etc. And none of that made it on his background check.

    That’s an issue, and it’s probably related to fear of getting sued, but maybe he wouldn’t have been able to buy the gun legally if someone had started a paper trail on him years ago, by filing assault charges on him, or getting a restraining order, etc.

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    Would never work because anger isn't mental illness, nor is a propensity to violence.

    You might consider banning the depressed, but that essentially bans a massive swathe of the population.

    Other than that Colorado batman shooter, all the mass shooters seem to have been sane. The California guy, the gay black guy, the Virginia tech guy, the Norway guy, the confederacy guy. They had grievances and pent up rage, yes. But who doesn't?
    , @Jim Don Bob
    +100 on what Dave Pinsen said. The sad truth is that there is nothing the -state- can do to prevent this kind of thing. Armed citizens, however, can be effective first responders. Notice that the one time any of these morons tried this in Texas, they got snuffed. They usually avoid places where their victims might be able to shoot back.

    Robert Heinlein said that an armed society is a polite society. It wouldn't bother me one bit if everyone packed.

    The truly sad part about the MSM's refusal to consider the racial angle is that it makes racial conflict more likely. At a certain point, whites are gonna get tired of being targets, and whites are -much- more heavily armed than anyone else.
    , @Big Bill
    I have a simpler rule: anyone who makes a cranky or unfounded EEOC complaint should be banned from owning a gun.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Good points. And if the killer (I won't say his name) had not been indulged in his ethnic grievance mongering for so many years, maybe he wouldn't have gotten so torqued up about it.
    , @SPMoore8
    Well, my daughter is is bit older than this young lady who was shot dead, that's why I thought of her.

    I realize there's some needle threading that is required here, but something really has to be done. I cannot accept the idea that I have to accept this kind of mass shooting on a yearly basis. And I am a rightwinger who loves guns. And if I feel that way, I can imagine how the rest of my progressive/liberal family, friends, and neighbors feel. In fact I know how they feel: they want to do a Scotland or Australia.

    Inevitably, it looks like we are either going to have to monitor people more carefully or monitor weapons more carefully. I'd prefer the first, before the second.
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  22. @Jim Don Bob
    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

    My first guess is Turkish.

    Writing for NYT, just another job Americans won’t do.

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  23. Off-topic,

    An article in the ATLANTIC on the popularity of HP Lovecraft. Rather predictably, it spends a great deal of time discussing how people can bear reading a racist author:

    The Unlikely Reanimation of H.P. Lovecraft
    125 years after his birth, the author known for his eerie tales—and his racist beliefs—has had one of the biggest comebacks in Western literature.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/08/hp-lovecraft-125/401471/

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    Is it amazing that I read most of his work and never realized that it was racist until some article online pointed that out to me? Euros outside the US, except for Germans, seem (seemed) to be born without having the raycissdar implanted when they were young. Like a sort of innocence you had prior to eating the forbidden fruit of noticing. It's the miracle of a monocultural and more or less homogeneous society.
    , @Brutusale
    Phil Eil, the author of the Atlantic piece, has all the hallmarks of a Sailer parody.

    Jewish, semi-failed editor of a failed alternative paper, fanboy of TN Coates and now a part-time instructor at an art school know to New Englanders as Riz-Dick.
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  24. @Dave Pinsen
    My point about the politicization of psychiatry isn't just theoretical: there's a history of it. And it doesn't have to be limited to gun ownership. Why should a nativist be allowed to poison the mind of a young girl? Maybe the state needs to take your daughter away from you.

    As for restricting gun ownership, plenty has already been done, there are already federal regulations in place in addition to state ones: background checks, waiting periods, etc. Gay black guy passed all that. However: it's been mentioned by former coworkers that the shooter had a history of having a violent temper, that he needed to be escorted out of one workplace by cops, that he physically threatened people, etc. And none of that made it on his background check.

    That's an issue, and it's probably related to fear of getting sued, but maybe he wouldn't have been able to buy the gun legally if someone had started a paper trail on him years ago, by filing assault charges on him, or getting a restraining order, etc.

    Would never work because anger isn’t mental illness, nor is a propensity to violence.

    You might consider banning the depressed, but that essentially bans a massive swathe of the population.

    Other than that Colorado batman shooter, all the mass shooters seem to have been sane. The California guy, the gay black guy, the Virginia tech guy, the Norway guy, the confederacy guy. They had grievances and pent up rage, yes. But who doesn’t?

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    Didn't the Gifford shooter have a history of mental illness? He was a democrat after all.
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  25. @SPMoore8
    Yeah, I could see an interpretation going in that direction. But, seriously, no one can seriously argue that most of these shooters in the past ten years had any business acquiring firearms. And if I am going to be presented with only two alternatives, doing nothing to restrict gun ownership, or facing the prospect of seeing my daughter shot dead by a crazy person, I know which way I will vote. If you are serious about protecting the Second Amendment, then there has to be something more on the table than, "Shit happens."

    That’s not you alternatives. They are, possibly being armed, or certainly being dusarmed, when approved, gay or Black or gay and Black killers appear. There is no nada none possibility of the US authorities disarming Blacks. Whites yes. Just as France disarmed Whites but every Muslim male seems to have an AK.

    Govt is not not not there to protect you and your family. It exists to protect potential Black or other approved group killers.

    Steve has it wrong. Blacks, gays, Muslims, feminists etc. are the core. We, straight White people, are the marginal and despised fringe.

    The only only only one who will defend you is you. Better be armed. The FBI is too busy investigating Trump and Hilary, email to arrest Vesper Flanagan

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  26. @Jim Don Bob
    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

    Zeynep = female name
    Tufekci = Turkish surname

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  27. Same thing happens with suicides. The go in waves if you publicize them. That’s why I was so surprised to see them pushing the whole ‘bullying gays = suicides”. Then I realized they didn’t care about the kids they just cared about the gays.

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  28. @Dave Pinsen
    My point about the politicization of psychiatry isn't just theoretical: there's a history of it. And it doesn't have to be limited to gun ownership. Why should a nativist be allowed to poison the mind of a young girl? Maybe the state needs to take your daughter away from you.

    As for restricting gun ownership, plenty has already been done, there are already federal regulations in place in addition to state ones: background checks, waiting periods, etc. Gay black guy passed all that. However: it's been mentioned by former coworkers that the shooter had a history of having a violent temper, that he needed to be escorted out of one workplace by cops, that he physically threatened people, etc. And none of that made it on his background check.

    That's an issue, and it's probably related to fear of getting sued, but maybe he wouldn't have been able to buy the gun legally if someone had started a paper trail on him years ago, by filing assault charges on him, or getting a restraining order, etc.

    +100 on what Dave Pinsen said. The sad truth is that there is nothing the -state- can do to prevent this kind of thing. Armed citizens, however, can be effective first responders. Notice that the one time any of these morons tried this in Texas, they got snuffed. They usually avoid places where their victims might be able to shoot back.

    Robert Heinlein said that an armed society is a polite society. It wouldn’t bother me one bit if everyone packed.

    The truly sad part about the MSM’s refusal to consider the racial angle is that it makes racial conflict more likely. At a certain point, whites are gonna get tired of being targets, and whites are -much- more heavily armed than anyone else.

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    "The truly sad part about the MSM’s refusal to consider the racial angle is that it makes racial conflict more likely. At a certain point, whites are gonna get tired of being targets, and whites are -much- more heavily armed than anyone else."

    lol, here we go again...
    , @Anonymous

    Robert Heinlein said that an armed society is a polite society.
     
    Is there any evidence for the "more guns, less crime" hypothesis? My sense is that the issue has been studied and adjudicated as inconclusive or wrong; see, e.g.,

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w9336

    On the other hand: Gun ownership does increase the risk of suicide (one example of many: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMP0805923).
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  29. @Jim Don Bob
    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

    Turkish? Initially I thought there was memory corruption or a rendering bug in the NYT web page.

    Edit: Yep, female Turk assistant prof of computer science/digital studies.

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  30. @Jim Don Bob
    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

    The NYT should replace 100% of its staff with H1-B visa holders. Who could oppose that?

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    The writing might improve but every story would be about needing even more H-1Bs.
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  31. Quentin Tarentino is really exited about the racial tensions in the air:

    Hateful Eight uses the Civil War as a backdrop, sort of like how The Good, the Bad and the Ugly does.

    The Good, the Bad and the Ugly doesn’t get into the racial conflicts of the Civil War; it’s just a thing that’s happening. My movie is about the country being torn apart by it, and the racial aftermath, six, seven, eight, ten years later.

    That’s going to make this movie feel contemporary. Everybody’s talking about race right now.

    I know. I’m very excited by that.

    Excited?

    Finally, the issue of white supremacy is being talked about and dealt with. And it’s what the movie’s about.

    How did what’s happening in Baltimore and Ferguson find its way into The Hateful Eight?

    It was already in the script. It was already in the footage we shot. It just happens to be timely right now. We’re not trying to make it timely. It is timely. I love the fact that people are talking and dealing with the institutional racism that has existed in this country and been ignored. I feel like it’s another ’60s moment, where the people themselves had to expose how ugly they were before things could change. I’m hopeful that that’s happening now.

    You supported Obama. How do you think he’s done?

    I think he’s fantastic. He’s my favorite president, hands down, of my lifetime. He’s been awesome this past year. Especially the rapid, one-after-another-after-another-after-another aspect of it. It’s almost like take no prisoners. His he-doesn’t-give-a-shit attitude has just been so cool. Everyone always talks about these lame-duck presidents. I’ve never seen anybody end with this kind of ending. All the people who supported him along the way that questioned this or that and the other? All of their questions are being answered now.

    http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/quentin-tarantino-lane-brown-in-conversation.html

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  32. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/27/breitbart-news-posts-factual-headline-about-race-war-execution-internet-melts-down/

    The SJW media leftists have gone ballistic over Breitbart calling the shooter a racist and saying racs had something to do with the shooting. The same professional racists like Jonathan Chait who wrote about ferguson or charleston over and over threw giant temper tantrums when the facts about VA were published. They are acting like college students needing a safe space after not receiving proper trigger warnings – they are having breakdowns at the thought of one of their fellow travelers being all the things they like to accuse white southern males of being. A black gay reporter who supports obama, fights white privilege, has a gay pride rainbow flag, and read story after story about Charleston put in his own words that he was racist and wanted to start a race war?!?!?!

    Seriously, check out these twitter reactions – from the Huffington Post to DailyKos to Media Matters. Cognitive Dissonance at its finest!

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  34. Slightly OT. Former NYT reporter and current Fox Detroit reporter Charlie LeDuff debunks a “blacklivesmatter” poor innocent black body murdered by evil racist polices.

    http://youtu.be/HjiUsbI6SP8

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  35. @Sparkling Wiggle
    Columbine shooters were clearly motivated in part by fame, but plenty of these guys are just plain crazy. The Virginia Tech shooter claimed to have a supermodel girlfriend from outer space whose name was "Jelly." Trying to calibrate our actions to avoid setting off crazy people is pointless.

    Mass shootings have become a thing now, and I don't know if you can get that toothpaste back into the tube. The institution of going postal is a meme that occupies psychological space in people's minds, from the sane to the borderline to the completely deranged. People see it as a possible course of action where previously they didn't.

    We have 300,000,000+ people now and a small fraction the social cohesion we had just a generation or two ago. Those are big factors. And let’s not imagine mass murder is a new feature. We had the Zebra killings flushed down the memory hole along with many others. And the all time worst was the michigan guy who blew up a school full of kids because he was upset about his taxes. Our media today pretends every new shooting is unprecedented and the worst one ever in a bid to get more viewers and clicks.

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  36. The stereotype of the angry black male killing white women took a century or more to develop. This man who sure looks a lot more like Travon than the boy next door just helped reinforce it. I can guarantee we won’t hear Hilary or Michelle Obama say “This could have been my daughter”.

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    I can guarantee we won’t hear Hilary or Michelle Obama say “This could have been my daughter”.
     
    They have daughters. You can see them between those Secret Service guys. One was in the news trade, and bombed. Oops, I mean failed.
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  37. @SPMoore8
    I usually go out of my way not to name these killers, but will name the location. Probably makes no difference.

    However, the reticence in this case seems spurious since it was not present in VA Tech, nor Sandy Hook, nor that weirdo in So Cal who shot those girls a year or so ago, nor with the guy in South Carolina.

    Basically, the rule appears to be: if you can blame it on guns, or, if you can use the shooting to promote a specific narrative (racism, violence against women), OK. But in the case of a gay black man who shoots three people, including two white women, and kills two of them, better just change the subject.

    Of course it's deeply hypocritical, and while I don't really mind deep sixing this story, then they should have been honest about the South Carolina shooting as well: namely, crazy people do crazy things, it's not about the Confederate battle flag, etc.

    For all that, it's simply too easy for these crackpots to get hold of weapons. I remember after Sandy Hook, there was discussion about limiting the mentally ill from access to weapons, but that was criticized for stigmatizing the "neurologically atypical." So then the only alternative is taking everyone's weapons away. That is not going to happen.

    But realistically something has to be done.

    But realistically something has to be done.

    Don’t keep us in suspense, what? What’s the answer? How is government going to prevent whackjobs from getting guns and murdering innocent people?

    Let’s keep some perspective too. Horrible as these events are, in a nation of 300,000,000+ people, what are your odds of being randomly murdered by some whackjob? How many are there in a year? 20? 50?

    Maybe we should abandon PC and rat out the whackjobs. If you know someone who is batshit crazy or has major rage issues then turn them in. People don’t want to get involved and that is a big part of this problem. Some of this is unavoidable in a nation this large with our right to own guns, but we could do a better job.

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  38. $00.02 worth: Vester is a paradigm of the liberal-created killer. He’s a sub-mediocrity who got jobs he didn’t deserve his whole life because of his color and, when it became helpful, his sexual orientation. He grew up to the whispers and caresses of white libs who told him he was subject to systemic racial oppression, owed reparations swag of one sort (cash) or another (attention.) He didn’t have the IQ to understand that these swine were speaking methaphorically, generically, poetically: he thought white people LITERALLY owed him whatever he wanted and for much of his life, with a series of jobs he didn’t deserve and was clearly incapable of performing, he seemed to have it right. But–it always happens–somewhere along the way, people noted there was no there there. He was stupid and lazy and wasn’t able to process as is required of a reporter (thus he was called “a human tape-recorder.”) He interpreted all these stigmata as racist in origin and came quickly to the conclusion that whites were against him, which, since he was such a work dork with an attitude problem, may have come to be true. Actually, his peers were probably against him, knowing of his nothingness, while for what was certainly too long management let him get away with sh– rather than go to the effort of firing him. Still he managed, after great effort, to get himself fired. His refusal to accept responsibility for his own dimness mestatasized into pure psychosis. The two co-workers paid the price for his failure and we all pay in psychic grief and unexpressable anger for his crime. Liberals created him, abetted by the toad in the White House and other race enablers. Shabby beyond measure. Someone should be punished hard and long.

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    This should be the editorial on the NYT.
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  39. It’s not just ‘liberal’ outlets that are ‘disappearing’ the story — as of now, it is also gone from the Drudge site.

    SBPDL asks: President Obama, will you be singing “Amazing Grace” at the Funerals of Alison Parker and Adam Ward?

    My guess would be no.

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  40. somebody correct me if this is wrong, but weren’t the Columbine shooters revealed to be the bullies themselves? Didn’t it turn out that the whole initial story about those guys was wrong?

    I wonder if there’s a definitive book written about them.

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    Yes.
    , @Gilbert Ratchet
    Try Dave Cullen's _Columbine_ (2009)
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  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Hilldebeest today in Cleveland said that politicians against funding “women’s health” were making common cause with ISIS or whatever (“We expect to hear these positions from terrorists”). Hyperpartisan identity has filled the vacuum for the traditional self-image & allegiances discarded by people who believe they aren’t white (in fact, are off- or post-white). Blacks didn’t undergo this same denaturing process so they don’t register a twinge of distress when a well-coiffed newsblonde gets butchered live; they weren’t exactly broken up about Nicole Brown Simpson either. With the VT bitter beta (or gamma) the Koreans were pretty embarrassed but to them, higher ed is like church. It’s only a minority within the coastal white minorities who possess that archaic cultural trait known as “shame.” The multicult majority, including its white segment, knows only special pleading and the philosophy of the squeaky wheel. They think shaming is when you tell a tramp wearing sweatpants to the office, emblazoned with “Juicy” on the seat, that she’s a tramp. Or telling a fat guy to lose some weight instead of sweating on everybody, or shushing noisy teenagers at a movie or expelling them from the school (which is an unconscionable failure to recognize diverse learning/moviegoing styles); all that old civil society crapola, now deader than “Bryce Williams”

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  42. Oooh, I like that: “mediacrity” instead of “mediocrity” since he was a media guy and sought media attention. I’m gonna use that myself.

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  43. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Did Kanye West start BLM by interfering with Taylor Swift’s award ceremony?

    It seems most racial problems have something to do with blacks interfering with other people’s lives.

    The real issue isn’t Black Lives Matter but blacks feel Non-Black Lives Don’t Matter. Blacks act like predators who look upon everyone as prey. Michael Brown interfered with a storeowner like Kanye interfered with Swift. Black Ego Matters.

    Blacks get in other people’s way, cause all the problem, and then bitch and complain if police get involved to restrain blacks from going too far.

    Ali acting like Kanye West. Blacks too often kill other blacks because they get in each other’s way. But when blacks kill blacks, blacks are silent. But when blacks get in police’s way and police fight back, blacks throw a fit as if they’re entitled to act ‘black’ at all times.

    Usually, it’s when blacks act ‘black’ with other blacks that they are most likely to get killed. When blacks act ‘black’ with whites, whites usually cower in fear or submit. But cops cannot back down because a cop who backs down to thugs is no cop.

    The black way: we don’t respect you and act rude all the time… but you better respect us.
    Imagine if a white guy interrupted a black performer. Blacks would have cried ‘racism’ and would have stormed the stage to beat up the white boy messing with a black woman receiving her award. But blacks feel entitled to mess up white lives, just like Ali felt entitled to harass Sonny Liston, even at the man’s house.
    Black Respect goes like this: we must respect our right not to respect you. It’s the rapper thug reality.

    White folks voted for Obama in the hope that his Nice Negro act would send a message to blacks to act nicer(and be rewarded for being nice). After all these years, negroes are still negroes… just like the nice negro Nelson Mandela didn’t change anything about the fate of South Africa where blacks just get worse and worse.

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  44. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
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    Hilarious!

    Actually, they do save your house in the larger scheme of things, by returning the constituent items to nature, where they then decompose ("recycle") and become One With The Universe.
    , @Jefferson
    "https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/27/how-tens-of-thousands-of-migrants-could-help-save-europe/

    Next: how Termites can save your house."

    The writer of that article Ishaan Tharoor is a Muslim. So of course he believes Muslims are good for Europe ,because he is writing from a bias perspective and not a neutral objective perspective.

    Ishaar Tharoor is the Muslim version of Jorge Ramos.

    , @Romanian
    I wrote a stinging rebuttal that won't even show up!!!

    Damn these people.

    I have a better example than termites. John Derbyshire wrote something regarding the thoughtcrime cover-up in Robert Putnam's books on the effects of diversity.

    "The paper has a very curious structure. After a brief introduction (two pages), there are three main sections, headed as follows:

    + The Prospects and Benefits of Immigration and Ethnic Diversity (three pages)
    + Immigration and Diversity Foster Social Isolation (nineteen pages)
    + Becoming Comfortable with Diveristy (seven pages)

    I’ve had some mild amusement here at my desk trying to think up imaginary research papers similarly structured. One for publication in a health journal, perhaps, with three sections titled

    + Health benefits of drinking green tea
    + Green tea causes intestinal cancer
    + Making the switch to green tea!"
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  45. Most states do not provide access to arms registry lists. http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_firearm_registry_lists If access was mandated, then third parties could construct services that could trigger alerts to interested parties (such as an ex-employee became a gun-owner). If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?

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    Simpleton: A public gun registry tells every criminal where to steal guns. It also tells every SJW dominated HR department who to blacklist.
    , @Chris Mallory

    why should gun ownership information not be public information?
     
    Pretty simple, because in the state in which I live, my guns are not registered. I don't have to ask government permission to buy a firearm from another private citizen. I don't have to give the government serial numbers of the firearms I own.
    , @TWS
    Please put a sign in front of your house so we can be sure whether or not you own a firearm. I'm sure your safety will be greatly enhanced. Moron.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "simpleton says:

    If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?"

    You certainly live up to your screen name.

    Crazy people might become killers, so it is important for us to know who might be crazy. Therefore medical and psychiatric records should be public information. And specifically, your medical and psychiatric records should be public information.

    People under financial stress often do desperate things, therefore financial and income tax records should be public information. And specifically, your financial and income tax records should be public information.

    You like where this is going?

    Gun ownership records should not be public, because they are nobodys damn business - not the governments, not burglars, and not yours.

    , @Forbes

    why should gun ownership information not be public information?
     
    Because it tells criminals who's safe to rob because they're not armed.
    , @Anonymous
    This is just the kind of gun registry used to disarm citizens in most foreign countries. Try reading the constitution.
    , @skinnyhoops
    Households without guns would be a more likey target for burglary and home invasion if gun ownership were public information. A non-public gun registry affords pacifist non-gun owners a crime supressing free ride. Lawful gun owners should get a tax credit. Of course criminals and non-citizens should never be allowed to own or carry firearms.
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  46. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-27/germany-tells-facebook-get-tougher-on-racist-anti-refugee-posts

    Don’t block the invaders but block patriotic messages about invaders.

    Germany committing a second Holocaust… against its own people and nation.

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    And this one is real.
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  47. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Jayson Blair Redux but with a gun.

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  48. “True, but postal workers go postal much less often these days.”

    - With all the cutbacks in postal staff, they’re too busy with work to ‘go postal’ nowadays.

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  49. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/08/how-tv-murderer-was-criticized-by-bosses-for-appalling-journalistic-standards/

    “In a sometimes-rambling account of his time at WDBJ Flanagan accused co-workers of racially harassing him by placing a watermelon around the office.
    The watermelon would appear, then disappear, then appear and disappear, then appear and disappear again only to appear again,’ he wrote in a May 2014 letter to presiding Judge Francis Burkart.”

    I propose a new meme: Seeing Watermelons.

    Blacks with racistitis ‘see watermelon’ everywhere.

    Tell-Tale Watermelon.

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    Like Captain Queeg's strawberries in The Caine Mutiny Courtmartial.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Did somebody say watermelon?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    The Urban Dictionary defines"gaslighting" as "A form of intimidation or psychological abuse, sometimes called Ambient Abuse where false information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their own memory, perception and quite often, their sanity." SJWs like this term, which they use to suggest that society attempts to make minorities feel crazy by denying racism where it exists.

    We need a new term that communicates the opposite message, that society is now being driven crazy by the tendency of minorities ("victims") to perceive racism where it does not exist. An example would be accusing Nice White Lady schoolteachers of racism for disciplining their black students for no reason. It's the opposite of gaslighting, in that rather than a sane person's perceptions being manipulated to believe he's crazy, a crazy person's perceptions are being validated to make society believe it is evil.

    Perhaps the expression "watermeloning" would cover this phenomenon. "The Virginia shooter's problem was that he was watermeloning."
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  50. @Crassus
    The media often discovers themes that distinguish mass shootings from each other. For example, Jihad (everywhere), anti-Jihad (Norway), Batman (Colorado).

    The Roanoke gunman made Twitter and Facebook pronouncements about "race war" and his desire for revenge after his victims' "racist comments," so The New York Times suggested at first that the theme here was… social media. But that didn't stick. Today, after much analysis, the official theme of the Roanoke gunman has emerged: he was a gunman.

    MSM never uses jihad. Obama banned use of Islam.

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  51. “classic school shootings largely halted after the one I covered.”

    Now you’re starting to sound like Trump.

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  52. In regards to the hysteria about The Trumpening from Tom Friedman, George Will, and the like – avoid the trap of, to paraphrase Jonathan Swift, trying to reason someone out of something they didn’t reason into in the first place.

    Our Nation’s next leader, Donald J. Trump, did not try to reason Jorge Ramos out of the nonsense and propaganda he was pooping from his pie hole. He took action. And Mr. Ramos backed down and backed out when faced with unshakable Will and Balls and Backbone. A Nation soon awakens and does likewise.

    Comes a Trumpening.

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  53. OT: USA Today: As construction heats up, so does worker shortage:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/08/26/construction-worker-shortage/32430517/

    How long before they say we need more immigrants to solve the problem of Americans earning more money?

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    Unfinished houses, rotting in the streets.
    , @ben tillman

    OT: USA Today: As construction heats up, so does worker shortage:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/08/26/construction-worker-shortage/32430517/

    How long before they say we need more immigrants to solve the problem of Americans earning more money?
     
    Today I saw something extraordinary at a construction site in Dallas. No, it wasn't a White or Black man.

    It was a woman -- a mestizo woman -- working with the men.
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  54. @Dave Pinsen
    I wonder if that is related to the worsening of the economy making postal workers more appreciative of having a job with good pay and benefits.

    That makes sense, although I remember this as a bad-90s-economy phenomenon. As I understand it, the post office hires based entirely on a written test, meaning people whose personalities would get them filtered out during the usual interview process are able to get jobs there. Probably most of these people are just odd in harmless ways – nervous, hygiene issues, whatever – but people may have developed aversions to certain personalities for a reason. (And it is my duty as an iSteve commenter to predict that finding creepy people creepy will be made a hate crime in 2023 by President-for-Life Caitlyn Jenner (pbuh).)

    I don’t know if the post office did something about the problem, but my unscientific survey shows that the most unstable profession these days is engineer. Most workplace shootings seem to be by recently fired engineers, and engineers are wildly over represented in the ranks of terrorists. There is a hurtful stereotype of engineers as all having “weird” or “creepy” personalities, but this is completely unfounded – in reality, the vast majority of engineers strike people as “eerie” or “serial killerish”. Education is the key to overcoming ignorance and prejudice.

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    The Post Office is a low-skill civil service job, where a smart but poorly socialized person can do well on the test and be hired according to their test score, making allowances for affirmative action. You can be pretty deranged as long as you do your work and obey the rules, until you go postal.
    But in recent years, it's been filling up with foreign born Orientals. They're not crazy at all. They're smart enough but can't speak intelligible English, so it's the best job they can get. Instead of poor socialization steering them to postal jobs, poor English does. We're replacing bizzarros with Orientals.
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  55. @Jim Don Bob
    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

    If you cannot tell from its name whether it is a male home sapiens, female home sapiens, cat, dog, automobile model, dessert topping, floor wax or galaxy, then it has no business immigrating to the USA.

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  56. @Dave Pinsen
    My point about the politicization of psychiatry isn't just theoretical: there's a history of it. And it doesn't have to be limited to gun ownership. Why should a nativist be allowed to poison the mind of a young girl? Maybe the state needs to take your daughter away from you.

    As for restricting gun ownership, plenty has already been done, there are already federal regulations in place in addition to state ones: background checks, waiting periods, etc. Gay black guy passed all that. However: it's been mentioned by former coworkers that the shooter had a history of having a violent temper, that he needed to be escorted out of one workplace by cops, that he physically threatened people, etc. And none of that made it on his background check.

    That's an issue, and it's probably related to fear of getting sued, but maybe he wouldn't have been able to buy the gun legally if someone had started a paper trail on him years ago, by filing assault charges on him, or getting a restraining order, etc.

    I have a simpler rule: anyone who makes a cranky or unfounded EEOC complaint should be banned from owning a gun.

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    Actually I would say the racism explanation for poor school achievement of immigrants in Finland is on topic. The racism excuse continually absolves one group and blames another group for any kind of disparity that occurs. Unfortunately, mentally unbalanced people like Vester come to believe that this is how the world actually is.
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  58. @inselaffen
    Not that I expect integrity from the press these days especially but I was a bit taken aback by the choice of images so many newspapers - & not just tabloids but even some 'respectable' ones - put on their front cover. I'd like to think even 10 years ago it would have been different. Carefully picking the frame to 'best' show the terror on her face as she gets shot, from the killer's eye view, and plaster it all over your front page. Some even photoshopped lurid muzzle flash in there to further cartoonize an image I've seen a lot of people say already looked like something out of a computer game.

    So they gave the killer what he want, in spades. I'm sure the message will sink in to any other losers who want people to hear them yell on the way out. Of course these images are easy to find on the internet, but if you have to go to a gore site to see them, at least it 'feels' seedy & wrong (like using an affair website, I guess), but with mainstream press chasing the 'gorn' market by plastering it all over public spaces, it normalises it. Of course if you cornered any of the editors who approved, selected, photoshopped those pics they'd blather about 'free press' 'reporting the news' etc. Not until it was their daughter, wife, mother...

    > Of course if you cornered any of the editors who approved, selected,
    > photoshopped those pics they’d blather about ‘free press’
    > ‘reporting the news’ etc. Not until it was their daughter, wife, mother

    Are you sure?

    Marx supercedes such quotidian concerns such as offspring, siblings and soulmates. I.e., assuming you are a barn-animal-in-estrus-attracted, calf-loving, goat-head worshipping SJW. Faustian bargain anyone?

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  59. @Priss Factor
    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/08/how-tv-murderer-was-criticized-by-bosses-for-appalling-journalistic-standards/

    "In a sometimes-rambling account of his time at WDBJ Flanagan accused co-workers of racially harassing him by placing a watermelon around the office.
    The watermelon would appear, then disappear, then appear and disappear, then appear and disappear again only to appear again,’ he wrote in a May 2014 letter to presiding Judge Francis Burkart."

    I propose a new meme: Seeing Watermelons.

    Blacks with racistitis 'see watermelon' everywhere.

    Tell-Tale Watermelon.

    Like Captain Queeg’s strawberries in The Caine Mutiny Courtmartial.

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  60. @simpleton
    Most states do not provide access to arms registry lists. http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_firearm_registry_lists If access was mandated, then third parties could construct services that could trigger alerts to interested parties (such as an ex-employee became a gun-owner). If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?

    Simpleton: A public gun registry tells every criminal where to steal guns. It also tells every SJW dominated HR department who to blacklist.

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    Canada spent $2 billion in the 90s on a national gun registry that was budgeted at $200 million. I can't remember if it was hacked or if the info was public, but more than a few gun owners were targeted by thieves. The current administration of Stephen Harper dismantled the registry, although I am sure the RCMP has a copy somewhere. Just for backup, you know.
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  61. @SPMoore8
    I usually go out of my way not to name these killers, but will name the location. Probably makes no difference.

    However, the reticence in this case seems spurious since it was not present in VA Tech, nor Sandy Hook, nor that weirdo in So Cal who shot those girls a year or so ago, nor with the guy in South Carolina.

    Basically, the rule appears to be: if you can blame it on guns, or, if you can use the shooting to promote a specific narrative (racism, violence against women), OK. But in the case of a gay black man who shoots three people, including two white women, and kills two of them, better just change the subject.

    Of course it's deeply hypocritical, and while I don't really mind deep sixing this story, then they should have been honest about the South Carolina shooting as well: namely, crazy people do crazy things, it's not about the Confederate battle flag, etc.

    For all that, it's simply too easy for these crackpots to get hold of weapons. I remember after Sandy Hook, there was discussion about limiting the mentally ill from access to weapons, but that was criticized for stigmatizing the "neurologically atypical." So then the only alternative is taking everyone's weapons away. That is not going to happen.

    But realistically something has to be done.

    > But realistically something has to be done.

    That’s great SPanky. The SWPL/SJW solution is to disarm law-abiding citizens. Is that your proposal? Because that is as far as ‘realistically something has to be done’ goes. Do you think that will eliminate or even reduce the death of innocents caught up in the delusions of lunatics?

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  62. @Don't Drone Me, Bro!
    That makes sense, although I remember this as a bad-90s-economy phenomenon. As I understand it, the post office hires based entirely on a written test, meaning people whose personalities would get them filtered out during the usual interview process are able to get jobs there. Probably most of these people are just odd in harmless ways - nervous, hygiene issues, whatever - but people may have developed aversions to certain personalities for a reason. (And it is my duty as an iSteve commenter to predict that finding creepy people creepy will be made a hate crime in 2023 by President-for-Life Caitlyn Jenner (pbuh).)

    I don't know if the post office did something about the problem, but my unscientific survey shows that the most unstable profession these days is engineer. Most workplace shootings seem to be by recently fired engineers, and engineers are wildly over represented in the ranks of terrorists. There is a hurtful stereotype of engineers as all having "weird" or "creepy" personalities, but this is completely unfounded - in reality, the vast majority of engineers strike people as "eerie" or "serial killerish". Education is the key to overcoming ignorance and prejudice.

    The Post Office is a low-skill civil service job, where a smart but poorly socialized person can do well on the test and be hired according to their test score, making allowances for affirmative action. You can be pretty deranged as long as you do your work and obey the rules, until you go postal.
    But in recent years, it’s been filling up with foreign born Orientals. They’re not crazy at all. They’re smart enough but can’t speak intelligible English, so it’s the best job they can get. Instead of poor socialization steering them to postal jobs, poor English does. We’re replacing bizzarros with Orientals.

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    What happened was they started requiring the workers to process more and faster. Fewer breaks and firings for those who weren't making the cut. Processing mail all day is both tedious and stressful if you are constantly pushed to go faster.

    I like how the postal service spun it comparing it to a number of other professions including stop and rob clerk things like that saying a postal worker was no more likely to be killed or injured while on the job. What they didn't say because they couldn't is that postal workers are no more likely to be hurt or killed by their coworkers. The work and the workforce has changed and it is an entirely different generation of workers doing the work but I remember working the old sorting machines and bundling by hand. The effing things were loud and a good worker had to process thousands of pieces a day accurately with just a glance at a poorly written or smeared address.

    Keep telling people they have to do it faster and faster and firing them if you don't when before they had a much more leisurely and sane job and you'll get dysfunctional behavior.
    , @poolside
    But in recent years, it’s been filling up with foreign born Orientals.

    I can't remember the last time I saw a white postal worker.

    In my neck of the woods, they are ALL Indian/Asian or black.
    , @Don't Drone Me, Bro!

    We’re replacing bizzarros with Orientals.
     
    That's funny because it's true. My regular mailman is a reserved but pleasant Chinese immigrant. On his days off we alternate between white guy with several unattractive body modifications, or a spherical lesbian with green hair.
    , @Anonymous
    In my area of N. Calif. the E. Asians seem to be overrepresented in USPS but would be the plurality at most. My home town, a tiny city near the Rose Bowl, used to have the SoCal mix at the main P.O. but now their workforce is 100% Koreans (I have wondered if this is a legally stable situation). Since the same isn't true of county or state buildings nearby (DMV, police, etc.) I figured the E. Asians derive some particular eclat from federal employment.
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  63. @young_american
    The NYT should replace 100% of its staff with H1-B visa holders. Who could oppose that?

    The writing might improve but every story would be about needing even more H-1Bs.

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  64. @Jim Don Bob
    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci?

    That’s the first thing that struck me. It sounds like a kosher or halal butcher’s take on turducken.

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    When I see a name like that, I have to run it through the Internet Anagram Server to decode.
    Among others, I get, "Cute Fez, Ye Pink!"
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  65. @Louis Renault
    The stereotype of the angry black male killing white women took a century or more to develop. This man who sure looks a lot more like Travon than the boy next door just helped reinforce it. I can guarantee we won't hear Hilary or Michelle Obama say "This could have been my daughter".

    I can guarantee we won’t hear Hilary or Michelle Obama say “This could have been my daughter”.

    They have daughters. You can see them between those Secret Service guys. One was in the news trade, and bombed. Oops, I mean failed.

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  66. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    OMG!!!!!

    I’m seeing watermelons everywhere too.

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    Who can forget this summit dinner from 1962?:

    Kennedy: That leaves Mr. Nkrumah. What will you have, Mr Nkrumah?
    Nkrumah: I'll have some watermelon.
    Kennedy: Don't put me on, Mr Nkrumah.
     
    The First Family
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  67. @Jim Don Bob
    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci?

    Anagram:
    Cute Fez, Ye Pink.

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  68. Translation: The Virginia shooter doesn’t help the NYT’s anti-white narrative.

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  69. The most plausible explanation for his choice of victims was to ensure his notoriety.

    For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious – he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years.

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    "he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years."

    but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    the guy was seriously nuts.
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  70. @Priss Factor
    OMG!!!!!

    I'm seeing watermelons everywhere too.

    https://youtu.be/4dAy9u0_9nM?t=26s

    Who can forget this summit dinner from 1962?:

    Kennedy: That leaves Mr. Nkrumah. What will you have, Mr Nkrumah?
    Nkrumah: I’ll have some watermelon.
    Kennedy: Don’t put me on, Mr Nkrumah.

    The First Family

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  71. @t
    OT: USA Today: As construction heats up, so does worker shortage:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/08/26/construction-worker-shortage/32430517/

    How long before they say we need more immigrants to solve the problem of Americans earning more money?

    Unfinished houses, rotting in the streets.

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  72. @Priss Factor
    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/08/how-tv-murderer-was-criticized-by-bosses-for-appalling-journalistic-standards/

    "In a sometimes-rambling account of his time at WDBJ Flanagan accused co-workers of racially harassing him by placing a watermelon around the office.
    The watermelon would appear, then disappear, then appear and disappear, then appear and disappear again only to appear again,’ he wrote in a May 2014 letter to presiding Judge Francis Burkart."

    I propose a new meme: Seeing Watermelons.

    Blacks with racistitis 'see watermelon' everywhere.

    Tell-Tale Watermelon.

    Did somebody say watermelon?

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  73. OT

    Hiring of accused pedophile rocks Albuquerque school system

    …Martinez, 50, was hired in June as the district’s $163,000-per-year deputy superintendent under the name Jason Martinez, but quit on Aug. 20, citing personal reasons. But the real reason for his abrupt resignation, which came after weeks of Martinez dodging fingerprinting and background checks…The question remaining in Albuquerque is how a predator landed a job in the 95,000-pupil district…Martinez, despite not submitting a resume or cover letter, had been personally appointed by current Superintendent Luis Valentino,…

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  74. This dead Black Homo supposedly only experienced anti-Gay discrimination from White people but never from Black people. I find it extremely hard to believe that he has never in his entire life ever been called a faggot by any of his fellow Black brothers and sisters.

    Maybe he gave his Black a race pass on their Homophobia and there for never held them to the same high moral standard that he does with evil Whitey. He expects Blacks to hate Gay guys, but he expects Whites to put Gay guys on a pedestal and when that does not always happen it made him very angry.

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    Its likely he only hit on white guys. Just like how STR8 blacks have no interest in black women.
    , @Truth
    Actually, he made it quite clear that he faced ridicule from white women and black men.
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  75. @Jim Don Bob
    +100 on what Dave Pinsen said. The sad truth is that there is nothing the -state- can do to prevent this kind of thing. Armed citizens, however, can be effective first responders. Notice that the one time any of these morons tried this in Texas, they got snuffed. They usually avoid places where their victims might be able to shoot back.

    Robert Heinlein said that an armed society is a polite society. It wouldn't bother me one bit if everyone packed.

    The truly sad part about the MSM's refusal to consider the racial angle is that it makes racial conflict more likely. At a certain point, whites are gonna get tired of being targets, and whites are -much- more heavily armed than anyone else.

    “The truly sad part about the MSM’s refusal to consider the racial angle is that it makes racial conflict more likely. At a certain point, whites are gonna get tired of being targets, and whites are -much- more heavily armed than anyone else.”

    lol, here we go again…

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    Yeah, because the entire history of the world including the United States doesn't have a history of ethnic violence going back to flint knapping days. I know, it's different this time. Because.
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  76. Growing up in California it was the ‘serial killer’ we feared. The Zodiac, The Trailside Killer, The Nightstalker. They didn’t have video or social media so they had to achieve their effect by just being ‘out there’, persistent and anonymous. They had to work hard to become notorious. There was a lot of competition so you couldn’t just leave a body along a road you had to have a ‘signature’ the media could latch onto so they would know it was you! Juan Corona murdered dozens of winos and farmworkers over the years but never received the kind of attention the Son of Sam or Zodiac got because he killed people no one would report or miss. To be a famous serial killer you had to kill middle class people in gruesome ways or settings and stay in business long enough to make it clear you were a methodical maniac.

    Today those terrifying serial killers are gone and we are left with just rampage killers. They’ve been around forever but not until Columbine did they get media savvy and try to explain their reasoning with manifestos, deranged videos and the like. Previously they just showed up at a McDonalds or their work place and started shooting everyone and then were either shot to death by police or committed suicide so other than adding the term ‘going postal’ to our vocabulary they did not become personally famous.

    I think it is a good idea to not give these people the ‘fame’ they seek. They are not serial killers on the prowl whose activity must be publicized because they are still at large and need to be stopped. They are simply losers who try to use the bodies of their victims to achieve what they couldn’t on their own… even through murder.

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  77. @Reg Cæsar

    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci?
     
    That's the first thing that struck me. It sounds like a kosher or halal butcher's take on turducken.

    When I see a name like that, I have to run it through the Internet Anagram Server to decode.
    Among others, I get, “Cute Fez, Ye Pink!”

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  78. @Priss Factor
    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/08/how-tv-murderer-was-criticized-by-bosses-for-appalling-journalistic-standards/

    "In a sometimes-rambling account of his time at WDBJ Flanagan accused co-workers of racially harassing him by placing a watermelon around the office.
    The watermelon would appear, then disappear, then appear and disappear, then appear and disappear again only to appear again,’ he wrote in a May 2014 letter to presiding Judge Francis Burkart."

    I propose a new meme: Seeing Watermelons.

    Blacks with racistitis 'see watermelon' everywhere.

    Tell-Tale Watermelon.

    The Urban Dictionary defines”gaslighting” as “A form of intimidation or psychological abuse, sometimes called Ambient Abuse where false information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their own memory, perception and quite often, their sanity.” SJWs like this term, which they use to suggest that society attempts to make minorities feel crazy by denying racism where it exists.

    We need a new term that communicates the opposite message, that society is now being driven crazy by the tendency of minorities (“victims”) to perceive racism where it does not exist. An example would be accusing Nice White Lady schoolteachers of racism for disciplining their black students for no reason. It’s the opposite of gaslighting, in that rather than a sane person’s perceptions being manipulated to believe he’s crazy, a crazy person’s perceptions are being validated to make society believe it is evil.

    Perhaps the expression “watermeloning” would cover this phenomenon. “The Virginia shooter’s problem was that he was watermeloning.”

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  79. “For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious – he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years.”

    I live in the are Roof grew up in. I would guess his middle school was roughly 40 to 50% black. If he wasn’t in AP classes, which I assume he wasn’t, then his classes were along the line of 80% black. As far as I can tell, he dropped out of high school after one year.

    I pity any white kid relegated to black-majority, non-AP classes in my local school district. His fascination with whites in Rhodesia might be explained by his own feelings of abandonment during his school years.

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    Yeah, there are a lot of things I don't think a lost of the posters here REALLY understand.

    You've got your northeast types, the west coasters. Some that could live anywhere but are insulated by their economic condition.

    In the end a lot of the things people here write about are as academic to them as they are to Pacific Northwest and ecotopia liberals.

    I mean there is just no way some of these guys are going to understand what it is like to be a 20 or 30 thousand a year guy with a couple of kids, payments out the wazoo, and a broken transmission on the car. If your local school district is one of the ones you describe, then that's it. That's what you have and what you are going to live with.

    Asabiyyah. Or that is a fancy word, but tribe, clan, whatever.

    And as the man said, "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."

    But in the end it depends on who "we" is doesn't it?
    , @anon

    His fascination with whites in Rhodesia might be explained by his own feelings of abandonment during his school years.
     
    That jumped out at me too.
    , @Ed
    Interesting background information. This might explain why Dylan's black friends, there were two featured in the media, were not stereotypically black. They seemed white wash or more accurately not into urban culture. They must have banded together against the more numerous ghetto identifying blacks.

    My high school had similar demographics, non-blacks in lower tier classes went through hell & many either dropped out or simply checked out of school mentally.
    , @Truth

    “For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious – he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years.”
     
    "Mah po' luh boy wuz a victim uh racizm' he dindu nuffin!"
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  80. The Times now has an article that looks squarely at his motivations:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/vester-lee-flanagan-grievances-homicidal-explosion.html

    A Life of Listing Grievances, and Then Virginia Gunman’s Final Homicidal Explosion

    “The fax, along with letters and photographs from his childhood, and interviews with people who have known him over the years, reveal someone who was consumed for much of his life with an encyclopedia of grievances. He was a black man who saw racism in every workplace; a gay man who felt demeaned, especially by other black men; a floundering son who addressed his accusatory suicide note to his successful father; an aspiring television newsman who, despite some talent, could not succeed at work or get along with his colleagues.”

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  81. @simpleton
    Most states do not provide access to arms registry lists. http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_firearm_registry_lists If access was mandated, then third parties could construct services that could trigger alerts to interested parties (such as an ex-employee became a gun-owner). If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?

    why should gun ownership information not be public information?

    Pretty simple, because in the state in which I live, my guns are not registered. I don’t have to ask government permission to buy a firearm from another private citizen. I don’t have to give the government serial numbers of the firearms I own.

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    I can't count how many times the idea of a public gun registry comes up.

    Massachusetts, with among the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, has New England's highest homicide rate. Vermont, with fuck-all for gun laws, has the lowest. Why should Vermonters suffer for the failures of the People's Commonwealth of MA?
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  82. Off Topic

    Steve, I have a story suggestion for you. These two links:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/business/a-internet-mortgage-provider-reaps-the-rewards-of-lending-boldly.html?_r=0

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/3473736-the-new-york-times-has-only-scratched-the-surface-on-bofi-holding

    It has iSteve-y themes. It involves a bank, run by somewhat sketchy characters, lending money to various sketchy characters, strange alt-doc mortgage lending practices, Southern California, failures of due diligence by everyone in sight, and improbable and vaguely ponzi-looking financial results. The bank has a “foreign national program” which lends to “Russians” and “Ukrainians.” More generally, they seems to make a lot of loans to apparently rich foreigners with opaque finances who want to buy houses in SoCal and don’t mind paying far above market interest rates. Oh, and house flippers. My personal favorite thing about the whole matter is that the actual, legal name of the principal subsidiary and brand name of this billion dollar corporation has a grammatical error in it.

    Anyway, seems like something you might like.

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  83. @RobS
    http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=311

    Mark Ames’s Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion: From Reagan’s Workplaces to Clinton’s Columbine and Beyond.



    Topics discussed include:

    How slaves in the antebellum South were conditioned to accept slavery and how it relates to corporate America.
    How Ronald Reagan restructured the economic system
    Why Reagaonomics provocked spree shootings
    Why the Right-wing is wrong when it misinterprets political correctness for egalitarianism and how America today is the most inegalitarian in its history
    Why whites are overrepresneted among spree shooters.
    How managerialism combines the worst aspects of capitalism and socialism
    The connection between standardized tests and school shootings
    How the value of the college degree collapsed.
    How bullying in schools is institutionalized and how prevention of retribution against bullying contributes to spree shootings
    How sexual frustration contributes to spree shootings but the manosphere is wrong about its the primary reason
    How feminism and mass immigration suppress wages and how Ames ignores those issues and complains about scapegoating of immigrants.
    How the Alternative Right has failed to adress the economic issue
    Andy Nowicki’s The Columbine Pilgrim
    Why suffering seldom ennobles people but instead makes them into monsters
    The aim of workplace shootings is to destroy the system that oppresses the shooter
    The aim of school shootings is to destroy a system of oppression, most often bullies

    You left out a few of the topics from that Mark Ames podcast:

    How Mark Ames (and possibly Matt Taibbi) engaged in statutory rape of 14 year olds, bragged about it their memoir and referred to them as “c*nts”.

    How statutory rape (see also Roman Polanski) is perfectly fine so long as one holds proper left-leaning credentials.

    How it’s not really even statutory rape if you are in Russia “banging” 14 year old girls who were essentially throw-away orphan-sex-slaves from a collapsed state with no guardian other than a pimp.

    How Ames and Taibbi took the normal frat-boy experience, stuck an exponent on it, revved that mother up to the fifth power…but nonetheless…this dynamic duo has maintained an exalted position in the MSM with Tiabbi even landing a premier gig at none other than Rolling Stone.

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    The weird thing is that Taibbi's father has been at NBC News for decades. Last month I saw him introducing some piece of filler on the "Today" show. In the old days 2nd- and 3rd-generation journalists/politicians/professors had to contend with the stereotype that they'd fallen into that work from not being able to make it in any other field (it's different for natural caste professions like cops & TV actors where the public endorses the advantages of continuity). When reading young Matt's foul-mouthed raging against his professional colleagues one does wonder at the origin of this passionate intra-class hatred...

    But the stigma attaching to "legacy" hires & admits exists for a good reason.
    , @HA
    "How Mark Ames (and possibly Matt Taibbi)..."

    Do you have a link that specifically discusses your allegation against Taibbi? (It wasn't hard to find dirt on Ames, but I don't find guilt by association very credible.)
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  84. If a picture of Dylan Roof with a Confederate flag can be used to condemn southern culture as hateful, maybe we should post pictures of every gay militant with a rainbow flag and declare homosexuality to be inherently hateful and demand that all symbols of gay culture be banned.

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  85. @Discard
    Simpleton: A public gun registry tells every criminal where to steal guns. It also tells every SJW dominated HR department who to blacklist.

    Canada spent $2 billion in the 90s on a national gun registry that was budgeted at $200 million. I can’t remember if it was hacked or if the info was public, but more than a few gun owners were targeted by thieves. The current administration of Stephen Harper dismantled the registry, although I am sure the RCMP has a copy somewhere. Just for backup, you know.

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    I have to give the Canucks credit on this one. Part of the reason the registry failed is because the people in the western provinces refused to register their weapons. They would organize large demonstrations with signs telling the government that they won't comply and to come and arrest them.
    , @BigGaySteve
    Actually that was created by the same company as screwed up the obamacare site. They are the one IT company with significant numbers of non Asian minorities including one of Mooshell's college buddies.
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  86. @Formerly CARealist
    somebody correct me if this is wrong, but weren't the Columbine shooters revealed to be the bullies themselves? Didn't it turn out that the whole initial story about those guys was wrong?

    I wonder if there's a definitive book written about them.

    Yes.

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  87. @Formerly CARealist
    somebody correct me if this is wrong, but weren't the Columbine shooters revealed to be the bullies themselves? Didn't it turn out that the whole initial story about those guys was wrong?

    I wonder if there's a definitive book written about them.

    Try Dave Cullen’s _Columbine_ (2009)

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  88. @Otto the P
    $00.02 worth: Vester is a paradigm of the liberal-created killer. He's a sub-mediocrity who got jobs he didn't deserve his whole life because of his color and, when it became helpful, his sexual orientation. He grew up to the whispers and caresses of white libs who told him he was subject to systemic racial oppression, owed reparations swag of one sort (cash) or another (attention.) He didn't have the IQ to understand that these swine were speaking methaphorically, generically, poetically: he thought white people LITERALLY owed him whatever he wanted and for much of his life, with a series of jobs he didn't deserve and was clearly incapable of performing, he seemed to have it right. But--it always happens--somewhere along the way, people noted there was no there there. He was stupid and lazy and wasn't able to process as is required of a reporter (thus he was called "a human tape-recorder.") He interpreted all these stigmata as racist in origin and came quickly to the conclusion that whites were against him, which, since he was such a work dork with an attitude problem, may have come to be true. Actually, his peers were probably against him, knowing of his nothingness, while for what was certainly too long management let him get away with sh-- rather than go to the effort of firing him. Still he managed, after great effort, to get himself fired. His refusal to accept responsibility for his own dimness mestatasized into pure psychosis. The two co-workers paid the price for his failure and we all pay in psychic grief and unexpressable anger for his crime. Liberals created him, abetted by the toad in the White House and other race enablers. Shabby beyond measure. Someone should be punished hard and long.

    This should be the editorial on the NYT.

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  89. I think the guy in Va had a lot of racial aggressions. I am not sure, however, if this is a racially motivated crime compared to the Charleston Guy. Why?

    In the Charleston case the should-have-been-aborted picked random blacks to kill. He said he wanted to start a race war and chose specifically, people he did not know because they were black.

    The Va shooter POS chose people he knew that he felt tormented him. They were his former coworkers who were white. He did talk about race wars and the rest but he also did not randomly assault anonymous whites (save the interviewee who he also did not coup de grace). This seems to have more aspects of work antagonism than random white killing.

    Did Obama, BLM, et al motivate him? Probably. Does the media downplay black crime? Absolutely! But I believe this is not entirely a racially motivated occurrence.

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  90. @Swampfox
    "For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious – he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years."

    I live in the are Roof grew up in. I would guess his middle school was roughly 40 to 50% black. If he wasn't in AP classes, which I assume he wasn't, then his classes were along the line of 80% black. As far as I can tell, he dropped out of high school after one year.

    I pity any white kid relegated to black-majority, non-AP classes in my local school district. His fascination with whites in Rhodesia might be explained by his own feelings of abandonment during his school years.

    Yeah, there are a lot of things I don’t think a lost of the posters here REALLY understand.

    You’ve got your northeast types, the west coasters. Some that could live anywhere but are insulated by their economic condition.

    In the end a lot of the things people here write about are as academic to them as they are to Pacific Northwest and ecotopia liberals.

    I mean there is just no way some of these guys are going to understand what it is like to be a 20 or 30 thousand a year guy with a couple of kids, payments out the wazoo, and a broken transmission on the car. If your local school district is one of the ones you describe, then that’s it. That’s what you have and what you are going to live with.

    Asabiyyah. Or that is a fancy word, but tribe, clan, whatever.

    And as the man said, “We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.”

    But in the end it depends on who “we” is doesn’t it?

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  91. @Jim Don Bob
    Canada spent $2 billion in the 90s on a national gun registry that was budgeted at $200 million. I can't remember if it was hacked or if the info was public, but more than a few gun owners were targeted by thieves. The current administration of Stephen Harper dismantled the registry, although I am sure the RCMP has a copy somewhere. Just for backup, you know.

    I have to give the Canucks credit on this one. Part of the reason the registry failed is because the people in the western provinces refused to register their weapons. They would organize large demonstrations with signs telling the government that they won’t comply and to come and arrest them.

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    The same thing would happen here. Molon Labe.
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  92. “The Virginia Shooter Wanted Fame. Let’s Not Give It to Him;” the South Carolina Shooter, on the Other Hand …”

    Hypocrisy you say? What will the MSM think of next?

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    "The Virginia Shooter Wanted Fame. Let’s Not Give It to Him"

    The Virginia Shooter is dead. He killed himself. He cannot bask in his notoriety. Not mentioning him by name does not, I repeat, does not take away from his fame, for he cannot enjoy it - unless you believe that he is - "Our Town"-like - floating above our heads in the ether witnessing every word said about him.

    I say, Vester Lee Flanagan is dead and cannot wallow in his notorious fame - so how can we deny him such vanity when he is dead, already? Think about it: "The Virginia Shooter wanted Fame. Let's Not Give It to Him". Ooh, okay! Mum's the word; are you listening Vester, oops, sorry, I mean Virginia Shooter?
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  93. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3213599/TV-gunman-s-mother-violent-outbursts-threatened-kill-father-two-sisters-eight-years-old-court-documents-claim.html

    “TV gunman’s mother had ‘violent outbursts and threatened to kill him, his father and two sisters when he was eight years old’, court documents claim”

    Hey, the nutjob’s mother talked and acted like Serena Williams on court. A strong, beautiful, and outspoken black woman who don’t take no shit but spews shit all over. Maybe Claudia Rankin the Stankin can pen a paean to her.

    PS: Could it be Serena as a little girl was so quiet and afraid to ask for a little more food(like Oliver Twist) because she was terrified of her mother? But Rankin makes it sound like the ghosts of the KKK were haunting her like the kid in SIXTH SENSE.

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    “TV gunman’s mother had ‘violent outbursts and threatened to kill him, his father and two sisters when he was eight years old’, court documents claim”
     
    Jayman calling.
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  94. WhatEvvs [AKA "AamirKhanFan"] says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

    “Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!”

    Actually, the NY Times should be using commentators from around the world. They would do a lot better than Tom Friedman’s idiotic, breathless, on-his-knees garbage about India. The world is flat, it would be easy. They wouldn’t even need an H1-B visa to run op-eds from a variety of great, English-speaking Indian commentators.

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  95. WhatEvvs [AKA "AamirKhanFan"] says:
    @Priss Factor
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/27/how-tens-of-thousands-of-migrants-could-help-save-europe/

    Next: how Termites can save your house.

    Hilarious!

    Actually, they do save your house in the larger scheme of things, by returning the constituent items to nature, where they then decompose (“recycle”) and become One With The Universe.

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  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Hbd and race realism that is not explicitly pro-white actually is worse for whites than dealing with liberals alone. What race realists and hbders want is for only high iq non whites to immigrate to white countries. This means that not only will whites be bred out an be a minority in their own countries, the nonwhites who are going to replace them and displace them will actually have iqs that are higher than the average white, at least with the liberals they are going to bring in Latinos and blacks, against whom whites at least have the advantage of having higher iq scores, and a nonwhite with an iq of 115 is a bigger threat than a nonwhite with an iq of 90, even if the nonwhite with an iq of 115 is less overtly violent, because a smart enemy can potentially cause bigger and more serious problems than a dumb one. Plus the fact that the smart nonwhites are less overtly violent makes it easier for the whites to accept them and take them into white communities, and so increases the possibility that whites will race mix with them, but maybe that is what sailer wants from the start? I mean he wants nonwhites to assimilate and integrate into white society, which will mean that they will live in closer proximity to white people and will interact with them a lot more, and right now the only thing keeping some communities white is that there is very little nonwhite presence there to begin with, and thus there is very little chance for nonwhites in those communities to mingle and race mix with non whites. I wonder if comment control will even publish this comment lol. Remember that a significant part of the hbd movement is only there because they dislike nonwhite men.

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  97. So one is a hate crime and the other isn’t?

    The trouble started when the media sensationalized a police killing as a hate crime when in fact it was a justified homicide in self-defense. Before that it was the accidental death of a 350 llbs. man with diabetes, emphysema, and heart disease depicted as police misconduct motivated by racial bias. Then, in Baltimore, they sensationalized what appears to have been a self-inflicted accidental death as another police hate crime.

    What is the result of all this elite misconduct? We seem to be entering a period of increased violence and lawlessness in the black ghettoes because the police are now reluctant to aggressively police these areas.

    Who suffers most? Law abiding black families trapped in these high-crime areas by poverty and lack of employment opportunities, brought about in part at least by our current trade and immigration policies which (before Trump) these same media were reluctant to discuss.

    In other words, we can lay a big part of the blame at the feet of that small group of influential editors who meet each morning at the NYT to decide what stories to feature on their front page and how to frame them. Maybe it is time to start picketing the NYT headquarters with signs on which are written “Have Your No Shame?” and “You Have Blood on Your Hands” and the like.

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    "Who suffers most? Law abiding black families..."

    statistically insiggy

    "In other words, we can lay a big part of the blame at the feet of that small group of influential editors who meet each morning at the NYT to decide what stories to feature on their front page and how to frame them."

    They are bad but the reality would be the same even if Jared Taylor ran the Times.

    Blacks are out of control.

    NYT hasn't been honest about Mexers and Asians either. But they are not rioting.

    , @Ed
    To that end the black lives matter loons interrupted DC's mayor remarks to a community gathering in high crime SE. She was there to announce her quest for more police powers to monitor repeat offenders, basically stop & frisk. The BLM folks don't like and interrupt, however the mayor doesn't back down and crowd gives her a standing ovation.

    They interview a murder victim's mother & friend afterwards and they call the BLM folks rude & agree with mayor. The media is under the impression that the mostly lighter skinned, suburb raised colleagues are representative of what blacks in the inner city actually want.

    Outside theschool, which Bowser said would be converted into a temporary community center offering city services, was a collection of stuffed animals and empty liquor bottles marking the spot where 18-year-old Shaun Simmons was fatally shot on Aug. 1. His mother, Shantee Simmons, said she agreed with the mayor's approach. A friend, Robin McKinney, said the protesters were rude.

    "None of them came to support her when her son died," said McKinney, who is black. "None of that 'Black Lives Matter' came and supported her"
     
    .

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/black-lives-matter-boos-washington-mayors-anti-crime-33361802
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  98. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    I’m seeing watermelons…

    Eyes of Negro Mars

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  99. OT: Dr. Leonardo Trasande of NYU has no problem acknowledging the Relationship between IQ and economic output in relation to exposure to lead. The Sierra Club Radio broadcast it on PBS. http://www.sierraclub.org/radio

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  100. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    What happens to a lunacy deferred?

    Does it grow big
    like a watermelon in the sun?
    Or fester like a sore–
    And then run?
    Does it stink like rotten meat?
    Or crust and sugar over–
    like a syrupy sweet?

    Maybe it just sags
    like a heavy load.

    Or does it explode?

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  101. @Jim Don Bob
    What kind of a name is Zeynep Tufekci? Is the NYT using H1-B visas too!

    Replace the NYT journalist and editorial staff entirely with Turks so as to provide fresh, diverse perspectives. I think it would be quite a learning experience, not to mention fun.

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  102. In the past, people feared being outed, but the process might take some time(or never).

    Now, they can be exposed in nano-seconds on twitter.

    People live in abject fear of being twouted and twamed(twitter shamed).

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  103. @simpleton
    Most states do not provide access to arms registry lists. http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_firearm_registry_lists If access was mandated, then third parties could construct services that could trigger alerts to interested parties (such as an ex-employee became a gun-owner). If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?

    Please put a sign in front of your house so we can be sure whether or not you own a firearm. I’m sure your safety will be greatly enhanced. Moron.

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  104. @Discard
    The Post Office is a low-skill civil service job, where a smart but poorly socialized person can do well on the test and be hired according to their test score, making allowances for affirmative action. You can be pretty deranged as long as you do your work and obey the rules, until you go postal.
    But in recent years, it's been filling up with foreign born Orientals. They're not crazy at all. They're smart enough but can't speak intelligible English, so it's the best job they can get. Instead of poor socialization steering them to postal jobs, poor English does. We're replacing bizzarros with Orientals.

    What happened was they started requiring the workers to process more and faster. Fewer breaks and firings for those who weren’t making the cut. Processing mail all day is both tedious and stressful if you are constantly pushed to go faster.

    I like how the postal service spun it comparing it to a number of other professions including stop and rob clerk things like that saying a postal worker was no more likely to be killed or injured while on the job. What they didn’t say because they couldn’t is that postal workers are no more likely to be hurt or killed by their coworkers. The work and the workforce has changed and it is an entirely different generation of workers doing the work but I remember working the old sorting machines and bundling by hand. The effing things were loud and a good worker had to process thousands of pieces a day accurately with just a glance at a poorly written or smeared address.

    Keep telling people they have to do it faster and faster and firing them if you don’t when before they had a much more leisurely and sane job and you’ll get dysfunctional behavior.

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    I read the book Going Postal and it seemed like the Postal Service was a hell hole to work at that time if these things are true. These people were pushed to the brink by management. I remember reading about 1 eventual shooter who would have his supervisor spy at him at his house if I remember correctly. They would look for any incident to write somebody up.


    At the time the Postal Service was trying to be like a regular company without subsidies if I remember correctly so they were really driving people hard.

    I would handle the mail at work years ago and it is amazing that some of the mail even got to where it was supposed to go because the address was incomplete or practically unreadable,
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  105. @Swampfox
    "For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious – he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years."

    I live in the are Roof grew up in. I would guess his middle school was roughly 40 to 50% black. If he wasn't in AP classes, which I assume he wasn't, then his classes were along the line of 80% black. As far as I can tell, he dropped out of high school after one year.

    I pity any white kid relegated to black-majority, non-AP classes in my local school district. His fascination with whites in Rhodesia might be explained by his own feelings of abandonment during his school years.

    His fascination with whites in Rhodesia might be explained by his own feelings of abandonment during his school years.

    That jumped out at me too.

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  106. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Luke Lea
    So one is a hate crime and the other isn't?

    The trouble started when the media sensationalized a police killing as a hate crime when in fact it was a justified homicide in self-defense. Before that it was the accidental death of a 350 llbs. man with diabetes, emphysema, and heart disease depicted as police misconduct motivated by racial bias. Then, in Baltimore, they sensationalized what appears to have been a self-inflicted accidental death as another police hate crime.

    What is the result of all this elite misconduct? We seem to be entering a period of increased violence and lawlessness in the black ghettoes because the police are now reluctant to aggressively police these areas.

    Who suffers most? Law abiding black families trapped in these high-crime areas by poverty and lack of employment opportunities, brought about in part at least by our current trade and immigration policies which (before Trump) these same media were reluctant to discuss.

    In other words, we can lay a big part of the blame at the feet of that small group of influential editors who meet each morning at the NYT to decide what stories to feature on their front page and how to frame them. Maybe it is time to start picketing the NYT headquarters with signs on which are written "Have Your No Shame?" and "You Have Blood on Your Hands" and the like.

    “Who suffers most? Law abiding black families…”

    statistically insiggy

    “In other words, we can lay a big part of the blame at the feet of that small group of influential editors who meet each morning at the NYT to decide what stories to feature on their front page and how to frame them.”

    They are bad but the reality would be the same even if Jared Taylor ran the Times.

    Blacks are out of control.

    NYT hasn’t been honest about Mexers and Asians either. But they are not rioting.

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    Blacks are out of control.
     
    A relatively small minority of blacks when you get right down to it, mostly males between 18 and 35. What percentage exactly? I'm not sure.
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  107. @Discard
    The Post Office is a low-skill civil service job, where a smart but poorly socialized person can do well on the test and be hired according to their test score, making allowances for affirmative action. You can be pretty deranged as long as you do your work and obey the rules, until you go postal.
    But in recent years, it's been filling up with foreign born Orientals. They're not crazy at all. They're smart enough but can't speak intelligible English, so it's the best job they can get. Instead of poor socialization steering them to postal jobs, poor English does. We're replacing bizzarros with Orientals.

    But in recent years, it’s been filling up with foreign born Orientals.

    I can’t remember the last time I saw a white postal worker.

    In my neck of the woods, they are ALL Indian/Asian or black.

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  108. @SPMoore8
    Yeah, I could see an interpretation going in that direction. But, seriously, no one can seriously argue that most of these shooters in the past ten years had any business acquiring firearms. And if I am going to be presented with only two alternatives, doing nothing to restrict gun ownership, or facing the prospect of seeing my daughter shot dead by a crazy person, I know which way I will vote. If you are serious about protecting the Second Amendment, then there has to be something more on the table than, "Shit happens."

    “Yeah, I could see an interpretation going in that direction.”

    It will go in that direction, if the door is opened. That’s why it’s important to not open the door.

    “But, seriously, no one can seriously argue that most of these shooters in the past ten years had any business acquiring firearms.”

    It is already illegal for people who have been adjudged to be mentally defective from buying a firearm at a gun store. Admittedly it relies on self-reporting, but the form you fill out is inspected by the FBI and compared to thier databases. I would be loath to permit the government even broader lattitude to conduct background investigations of citizens.

    “And if I am going to be presented with only two alternatives, doing nothing to restrict gun ownership, or facing the prospect of seeing my daughter shot dead by a crazy person, I know which way I will vote. If you are serious about protecting the Second Amendment, then there has to be something more on the table than, “Shit happens.””

    But shit does happen and that’s the way life is. You can’t legislate away every vicissitude of life. But you can legislate away ancient liberties, and good luck ever getting them back once you do. If your answer to every problem is the lame old “I don’t want any parent to go through what I have gone through……” then I know which way I will vote……….against anyone who even breathes the vaguest murmur of gun control.

    Steve is right: the way to combat these lunatics is to stop giving them the attention they crave. It would help if the President of the United States didn’t show up at the scene to slather unctuous, fake emotion all over the place in response to such crimes. The fact that these crazy people are able to conjure up the most powerful man in the world with their deranged actions surely serves as an inducement for them.

    I saw today that the governor of Virginia, McAwful or whatever his name is, made an appearance in Roanoake in order to wring some political advantage from the recent incident and score some “I care” brownie-points.

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  109. @Swampfox
    "For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious – he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years."

    I live in the are Roof grew up in. I would guess his middle school was roughly 40 to 50% black. If he wasn't in AP classes, which I assume he wasn't, then his classes were along the line of 80% black. As far as I can tell, he dropped out of high school after one year.

    I pity any white kid relegated to black-majority, non-AP classes in my local school district. His fascination with whites in Rhodesia might be explained by his own feelings of abandonment during his school years.

    Interesting background information. This might explain why Dylan’s black friends, there were two featured in the media, were not stereotypically black. They seemed white wash or more accurately not into urban culture. They must have banded together against the more numerous ghetto identifying blacks.

    My high school had similar demographics, non-blacks in lower tier classes went through hell & many either dropped out or simply checked out of school mentally.

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  110. @Luke Lea
    So one is a hate crime and the other isn't?

    The trouble started when the media sensationalized a police killing as a hate crime when in fact it was a justified homicide in self-defense. Before that it was the accidental death of a 350 llbs. man with diabetes, emphysema, and heart disease depicted as police misconduct motivated by racial bias. Then, in Baltimore, they sensationalized what appears to have been a self-inflicted accidental death as another police hate crime.

    What is the result of all this elite misconduct? We seem to be entering a period of increased violence and lawlessness in the black ghettoes because the police are now reluctant to aggressively police these areas.

    Who suffers most? Law abiding black families trapped in these high-crime areas by poverty and lack of employment opportunities, brought about in part at least by our current trade and immigration policies which (before Trump) these same media were reluctant to discuss.

    In other words, we can lay a big part of the blame at the feet of that small group of influential editors who meet each morning at the NYT to decide what stories to feature on their front page and how to frame them. Maybe it is time to start picketing the NYT headquarters with signs on which are written "Have Your No Shame?" and "You Have Blood on Your Hands" and the like.

    To that end the black lives matter loons interrupted DC’s mayor remarks to a community gathering in high crime SE. She was there to announce her quest for more police powers to monitor repeat offenders, basically stop & frisk. The BLM folks don’t like and interrupt, however the mayor doesn’t back down and crowd gives her a standing ovation.

    They interview a murder victim’s mother & friend afterwards and they call the BLM folks rude & agree with mayor. The media is under the impression that the mostly lighter skinned, suburb raised colleagues are representative of what blacks in the inner city actually want.

    Outside theschool, which Bowser said would be converted into a temporary community center offering city services, was a collection of stuffed animals and empty liquor bottles marking the spot where 18-year-old Shaun Simmons was fatally shot on Aug. 1. His mother, Shantee Simmons, said she agreed with the mayor’s approach. A friend, Robin McKinney, said the protesters were rude.

    “None of them came to support her when her son died,” said McKinney, who is black. “None of that ‘Black Lives Matter’ came and supported her”

    .

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/black-lives-matter-boos-washington-mayors-anti-crime-33361802

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    "Shouting "Jobs, not jails!" and "More police is not the answer!,"

    The real hardcore violent thugs in the African American community like the ones who rob convenience stores and pistol whip the Arab, Pakistani, Indian, Vietnamese, Chinese, or Korean store owner or employee, are not really interested in a 9 to 5 job.

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  111. @simpleton
    Most states do not provide access to arms registry lists. http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_firearm_registry_lists If access was mandated, then third parties could construct services that could trigger alerts to interested parties (such as an ex-employee became a gun-owner). If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?

    “simpleton says:

    If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?”

    You certainly live up to your screen name.

    Crazy people might become killers, so it is important for us to know who might be crazy. Therefore medical and psychiatric records should be public information. And specifically, your medical and psychiatric records should be public information.

    People under financial stress often do desperate things, therefore financial and income tax records should be public information. And specifically, your financial and income tax records should be public information.

    You like where this is going?

    Gun ownership records should not be public, because they are nobodys damn business – not the governments, not burglars, and not yours.

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  112. @thinkingabout it
    Would never work because anger isn't mental illness, nor is a propensity to violence.

    You might consider banning the depressed, but that essentially bans a massive swathe of the population.

    Other than that Colorado batman shooter, all the mass shooters seem to have been sane. The California guy, the gay black guy, the Virginia tech guy, the Norway guy, the confederacy guy. They had grievances and pent up rage, yes. But who doesn't?

    Didn’t the Gifford shooter have a history of mental illness? He was a democrat after all.

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  113. @27 year old
    "The truly sad part about the MSM’s refusal to consider the racial angle is that it makes racial conflict more likely. At a certain point, whites are gonna get tired of being targets, and whites are -much- more heavily armed than anyone else."

    lol, here we go again...

    Yeah, because the entire history of the world including the United States doesn’t have a history of ethnic violence going back to flint knapping days. I know, it’s different this time. Because.

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  114. @Dave Pinsen
    My point about the politicization of psychiatry isn't just theoretical: there's a history of it. And it doesn't have to be limited to gun ownership. Why should a nativist be allowed to poison the mind of a young girl? Maybe the state needs to take your daughter away from you.

    As for restricting gun ownership, plenty has already been done, there are already federal regulations in place in addition to state ones: background checks, waiting periods, etc. Gay black guy passed all that. However: it's been mentioned by former coworkers that the shooter had a history of having a violent temper, that he needed to be escorted out of one workplace by cops, that he physically threatened people, etc. And none of that made it on his background check.

    That's an issue, and it's probably related to fear of getting sued, but maybe he wouldn't have been able to buy the gun legally if someone had started a paper trail on him years ago, by filing assault charges on him, or getting a restraining order, etc.

    Good points. And if the killer (I won’t say his name) had not been indulged in his ethnic grievance mongering for so many years, maybe he wouldn’t have gotten so torqued up about it.

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  115. @Sparkling Wiggle
    Columbine shooters were clearly motivated in part by fame, but plenty of these guys are just plain crazy. The Virginia Tech shooter claimed to have a supermodel girlfriend from outer space whose name was "Jelly." Trying to calibrate our actions to avoid setting off crazy people is pointless.

    Mass shootings have become a thing now, and I don't know if you can get that toothpaste back into the tube. The institution of going postal is a meme that occupies psychological space in people's minds, from the sane to the borderline to the completely deranged. People see it as a possible course of action where previously they didn't.

    “Sparkling Wiggle says:

    Mass shootings have become a thing now, and I don’t know if you can get that toothpaste back into the tube. The institution of going postal is a meme that occupies psychological space in people’s minds, from the sane to the borderline to the completely deranged. People see it as a possible course of action where previously they didn’t.”

    A lot of the people who are liable to do that kind of thing are not especially well informed. They live in a sea of media ephemera with a very short time horizon. If the “going postal” meme can be suppressed for a few years, it would be almost as if it had never existed at all. How much of what was going on in the public eye back in 2010 can you even remember now? Or 2012? Or even last year? And you are probably a lot smarter and more clued in than the average rampage killer.

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  116. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @anon

    The most plausible explanation for his choice of victims was to ensure his notoriety.
     
    For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious - he'd been the victim of black teen gangs for years.

    “he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years.”

    but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    the guy was seriously nuts.

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    "but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    the guy was seriously nuts."

    Roof's choice of victims was not "nuts". He wanted to start a race war. His choice of victims was designed to provoke a tit-for-tat (or worse) response by blacks, which he hoped would radicalize whites.
    , @anon

    but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?
     
    Same reason a battered wife hits the kids not the husband - fear.

    It's like a white kid gets beat up at school by a black gang and then goes and beats up an elderly Asian man - scared of the people who did it so take it on someone else.

    (I'm not saying he wasn't nuts as well. The stress being put on society by the anti-white screeching from the media will effect nutty people first.)

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  117. @simpleton
    Most states do not provide access to arms registry lists. http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_firearm_registry_lists If access was mandated, then third parties could construct services that could trigger alerts to interested parties (such as an ex-employee became a gun-owner). If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?

    why should gun ownership information not be public information?

    Because it tells criminals who’s safe to rob because they’re not armed.

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  118. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Some people see increase in race-mixing and figure that America will be one big mixed racial paradise where people finally get along.

    And it’s true enough that even in prominently white towns/communities, you will see mixed-race mulatto kids among the batch, and these kids will grow up with white kids, and white kids will come to look upon race-mixing as good thing. So, will all the races mix and tensions go away?

    I don’t think so. Even if increasing numbers of blacks mix with whites, I doubt if the mixed race will serve as bridge between whites and blacks. Also, there will remain the Core Black Community that will be overwhelmingly ‘ghetto’ in attitude, outlook, sensibility, behavior, and etc., and this community will only grow larger. Also, many trashy black guys get both white women and black women pregnant. Such males produce both more mixed race kids and more black kids(as black women will spread their legs to just about any man).

    Instead of whites and blacks mixing, there will be a mulatto population, some of which will mingle mostly with whites and some of which will just join ‘ghetto’ culture. There will be haute mulattos like Obama and low mulattos who just become part of the core black gangsta bitchass ho scene.
    Sure, in rhetoric, some of these haute Negroes/mulattoes will speak the language of Revolution, but they would be disgusted with the idea of living in a Core Black Area. In fact, their rage comes from the repressed fact that, deep down inside, they prefer the white world over the black one. They could be accused of being race traitors, so they pre-empt it by bitching about ‘racism’ but they still prefer to live in whitopia than blackistan, and they do whatever is necessary to get a leg up in white/Jewish/homo society. Also, they get paranoid about whites cuz many know that they got special treatment via Affirmative Action. Even though most whites treat them nice and stuff, haute blacks can’t help feeling that whites condescend to them(which they do) and act out of fear(which is also true as white folks are terrified of black rage and accusation of ‘racism’).

    The Obama-Jarrett-Holder phenom is not about whites and blacks being bridged via race-mixing. It’s about mulattoes who found a way IN to the white/Jewish/homo society. Michelle Obama is somewhat angrier because she’s a pure black without the smooth white edges that mulattoes have. She has to try extra-hard to be ‘white’ when her nature is closer to Serena Williams, shoo.
    As for mulattos who join the core black community, they will be into ghetto jive culture, pure and simple.

    Though The Hissy Coates talked about Black Bodies, the main appeal of his persona to white Lib elites is the primacy of the Black Mind. We may see him as an intellectual featherweight, but he is still a writer who intellectualizes stuff. It’s mind over body. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. He is hyped as the new James Baldwin, and that is more appealing to white Libs than some Negro who is hailed as the new Mike Tyson, 50 cents, Sonny Liston, or Superfly. Baldwin was a scrawny Negromo or Homogro who gained fame with the use of his mind. At some point, he got militant, but even his militancy was stated in words, and words are created by the mind and processed through the mind. With the likes of Baldwin and The Hissy Coates, it’s black mind communing with white/Jewish/homo minds, and that is less threatening. It’s like Shelby Steele was less threatening than Al Sharpton and a crowd of Negroes marching through Howard Beach or Benson Hurst.
    The Hissy Coates may seem a bit grumpier, but his appeal to whites/Jews/homos isn’t all that different from the appeal of the likes of John McWhorther, Shelby Steele, and etc. Agree or disagree with him, The Hissy Coates is about the Black Mind explaining the Black Body than a Negro who threateningly puts his black body at the center. Negroes who put black bodies at front, center, and back are not writers. They are athletes, gangstas, rappers, thugs, criminals, bullies, and etc. NYers know all about this from the crime epidemic of the late 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s when Negroes were running wild and hollering ‘can you dig it?’

    The Hissy Coates intellectualizes the black body, and that is less threatening than using it. I suppose NYT approves of Claudia Rankin too cuz she intellectualizes Serena Williams’ body. When something is turned into an idea, one feels a measure of control over it as a thought or an idea. NYT staff wouldn’t want to meet someone like Serena Williams in real life, but her body-as-an-idea is something they can hold in their minds. In this, The Hissy Coates is like Steve McQueen the British Negro film-maker, whose arthouse works appeal to the mind of white folks. So, even though 12 YRS A SKIN-GAMER has a lot to do about the black body, it is turned into an idea of ‘white guilt’ and black tragedy. It may challenge white conscience, but it makes the black body less threatening. (Or, it offers an convenient way for white Libs to ‘intellectually’ excuse bad black behavior. “It was due to slavery”.) Presented as ‘victim of white racism’, it is something to ponder over than hide from. In a strange way, the appeal of The Hissy Coates’ book to white Libs(and even a small Japanese-American woman like Michiko Kookitani) is that it makes them feel power OVER the black body. They can feel sympathy for it. Oh those poor poor Negroes whose bodies suffer so much from White Power. It’s Retro-Negro, object of pity that makes white people feel empowered in their patronizing compassion.
    Thinking about black bodies through the black mind of Coates is less threatening than dealing with black bodies as raw reality. So, even though white Libs make a big deal about the black body theme in the book, the main appeal is the preference of the Black Mind over the Black Body(even if The Hissy Coates’ mind is rather mindless). Wouldn’t it be less threatening if Radio Raheem or Michael Brown had entered a pizzeria or a store and stuck up a conversation about the black body than use their black body to intimidate and threaten non-blacks?

    White Libs turn the issue of the Black Body into a Mind Issue to make it less threatening. This was the appeal of UNFORGIVABLE BLACKNESS too. The raw reality of Jack Johnson is that he beat up and humiliated tons of white guys, destroyed white manhood before white women’s eyes, and sexually conquered white women. It is total defeat for the white race that should fear the Negro.
    But UNFORGIVABLE BLACKNESS intellectualizes Johnson’s victory as a social statement about black dignity, pride, manhood, and etc. Now those themes may well have been true enough for blacks at the time, but the bare facts of the story is that black bodies are an EXISTENTIAL THREAT(or SEXISTENTIAL THREAT) to the white race. But if you turn Johnson’s story into a thought-experiment about ‘racism’ and ‘social justice’, and it seems less threatening to white folks.

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  119. He incurred a problem by wearing an Obama button on air. There’s no attempt to link him to the Dem party or president. Were he white the slightest of association with anything and everyone would be highlighted

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  120. So, what’s the deal with that Lopez-Sanchez fellow who is accused of shooting and killing a woman at the San Francisco waterfront?

    Yeah, yeah, umpteen felony drug convictions blah blah deported a zillion times blah blah sanctuary city.

    None of this answers why? Just because you are an undocumented immigrant drug runner, does that mean you get your thrills by shooting a tourist in the back?

    Just looking at the guy, he doesn’t have that 1000 yard stare of other shooters, he doesn’t have that respect/disrespect culture defiant look of some other criminal defendants. He just has this shrug-of-the-shoulder look of he doesn’t know why he did this.

    What was the deal? Was he shooting to defend himself in his line of work (drug dealing) and the bullet just “crested the hill” striking an uninvolved bystander (at some distance). Was he just bored and started firing at random? Was this act something that established his bona fides as a drug dealer? Did he have anger towards white women for some slight?

    I really want to know more about this crime — was it terrorism, was it hate, was there any justification behind it all or is this guy just some-kind-of-stupid? The powers that be seriously want this on the back pages for all of the ammunition, excuse the phrase, it gives the anti-immigrant faction, but why should we be anti-immigrant? Are there those entering our country bearing hate or should be enforce our border to keep out people with really low IQ?

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    He's a dim-bulb that was high on drugs. I'm open to considering just about any conspiracy theory, but I think this guy is what he is. He was doped up on sleep meds, found a gun, and in his stupor decided to start shooting at sea lions.
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  121. @Ed
    To that end the black lives matter loons interrupted DC's mayor remarks to a community gathering in high crime SE. She was there to announce her quest for more police powers to monitor repeat offenders, basically stop & frisk. The BLM folks don't like and interrupt, however the mayor doesn't back down and crowd gives her a standing ovation.

    They interview a murder victim's mother & friend afterwards and they call the BLM folks rude & agree with mayor. The media is under the impression that the mostly lighter skinned, suburb raised colleagues are representative of what blacks in the inner city actually want.

    Outside theschool, which Bowser said would be converted into a temporary community center offering city services, was a collection of stuffed animals and empty liquor bottles marking the spot where 18-year-old Shaun Simmons was fatally shot on Aug. 1. His mother, Shantee Simmons, said she agreed with the mayor's approach. A friend, Robin McKinney, said the protesters were rude.

    "None of them came to support her when her son died," said McKinney, who is black. "None of that 'Black Lives Matter' came and supported her"
     
    .

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/black-lives-matter-boos-washington-mayors-anti-crime-33361802

    “Shouting “Jobs, not jails!” and “More police is not the answer!,”

    The real hardcore violent thugs in the African American community like the ones who rob convenience stores and pistol whip the Arab, Pakistani, Indian, Vietnamese, Chinese, or Korean store owner or employee, are not really interested in a 9 to 5 job.

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  122. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    It’s obvious from NYT’s funny games that the media are toying with us.

    I think what everyone needs is a new academic discipline called Power Studies or Manipulation Studies or Advertisement Studies or Propaganda Studies.

    Schools teach about science, literature, history, and stuff. But they don’t teach about the teaching/informing of those subjects, i.e. everything subject that we are taught or informed is not the pure reality but the reality filtered through a system of ideas, signs, symbols, tropes, agendas, biases, and etc.

    There is a class on consumer information in schools that warn kids about how they are targeted by advertisers, but it’s not enough. It’s not enough because it’s not just consumer products that are advertised but EVERYTHING.

    Even education is a form of manipulation, and even the so-called de-constructors are constructors and propagators of the PC agenda.

    We need to raise awareness not only of what is false or wrong but how the power of media/advertising/education works, what kinds of mind-trick techniques are employed, how pop culture/entertainment aren’t only fun stuff but means of shaping our values and outlooks, and etc.

    We watch TV and often agree or disagree, but we don’t ask about the Wizard behind the Curtain and the tricks that he employs.

    We need to expose that, and, of course, the first step is to spell out WHO has the control. It explains why Rick Sanchez was let go. He said WHO.

    And there are so many mind tricks and techniques. Like the Pavlovian advertising trick that associated homos with the rainbow. The power of spectacle.

    To understand magic, we have to know the tricks behind it.

    The mass media is a magic trick. We need to know the tricks.

    What the NYT is trying to pull is a slick one.

    We need to come up with terms for tricks like this.

    Also, we have to raise consciousness and awareness among Americans that they are really really dumb.

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    It’s obvious from NYT’s funny games that the media are toying with us.
     
    It's almost like they are trolling the public. Maybe there's money in it. Make 'em mad.
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  123. @Priss Factor
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/27/how-tens-of-thousands-of-migrants-could-help-save-europe/

    Next: how Termites can save your house.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/27/how-tens-of-thousands-of-migrants-could-help-save-europe/

    Next: how Termites can save your house.”

    The writer of that article Ishaan Tharoor is a Muslim. So of course he believes Muslims are good for Europe ,because he is writing from a bias perspective and not a neutral objective perspective.

    Ishaar Tharoor is the Muslim version of Jorge Ramos.

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    Actually Ishaan Tharoor is a Hindu (or strictly speaking a deracinated globalist brown division.)

    His father Shashi Tharoor is a career UN flunky.
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  124. @Discard
    The Post Office is a low-skill civil service job, where a smart but poorly socialized person can do well on the test and be hired according to their test score, making allowances for affirmative action. You can be pretty deranged as long as you do your work and obey the rules, until you go postal.
    But in recent years, it's been filling up with foreign born Orientals. They're not crazy at all. They're smart enough but can't speak intelligible English, so it's the best job they can get. Instead of poor socialization steering them to postal jobs, poor English does. We're replacing bizzarros with Orientals.

    We’re replacing bizzarros with Orientals.

    That’s funny because it’s true. My regular mailman is a reserved but pleasant Chinese immigrant. On his days off we alternate between white guy with several unattractive body modifications, or a spherical lesbian with green hair.

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  125. @Ananias Dare
    Off-topic,

    An article in the ATLANTIC on the popularity of HP Lovecraft. Rather predictably, it spends a great deal of time discussing how people can bear reading a racist author:

    The Unlikely Reanimation of H.P. Lovecraft
    125 years after his birth, the author known for his eerie tales—and his racist beliefs—has had one of the biggest comebacks in Western literature.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/08/hp-lovecraft-125/401471/

    Is it amazing that I read most of his work and never realized that it was racist until some article online pointed that out to me? Euros outside the US, except for Germans, seem (seemed) to be born without having the raycissdar implanted when they were young. Like a sort of innocence you had prior to eating the forbidden fruit of noticing. It’s the miracle of a monocultural and more or less homogeneous society.

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  126. @Priss Factor
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/27/how-tens-of-thousands-of-migrants-could-help-save-europe/

    Next: how Termites can save your house.

    I wrote a stinging rebuttal that won’t even show up!!!

    Damn these people.

    I have a better example than termites. John Derbyshire wrote something regarding the thoughtcrime cover-up in Robert Putnam’s books on the effects of diversity.

    “The paper has a very curious structure. After a brief introduction (two pages), there are three main sections, headed as follows:

    + The Prospects and Benefits of Immigration and Ethnic Diversity (three pages)
    + Immigration and Diversity Foster Social Isolation (nineteen pages)
    + Becoming Comfortable with Diveristy (seven pages)

    I’ve had some mild amusement here at my desk trying to think up imaginary research papers similarly structured. One for publication in a health journal, perhaps, with three sections titled

    + Health benefits of drinking green tea
    + Green tea causes intestinal cancer
    + Making the switch to green tea!”

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    "I wrote a stinging rebuttal that won’t even show up!!!"

    Of course, they are not entirely wrong. Every invasion come with some benefits.
    I'm sure the Chinese takeover of Tibet is adding more Chinese restaurants.
    And the Mongol Invasion of Russia did lead to the Silk Road that had some positive things.

    But one has to look at the big picture. If this keeps up, you lose your nation.

    All of Europe can be Kosovo-ized.

    It's like the Middle East and North Africa is being Zionized -- messed up by Zio-global foreign policy -- , and Europe is being 'Palestinianized' or 'Arab-ized'. When Zionists did ethnic cleansing in the late 40s, many Palestinians poured into Jordan.
    Now, with the entire region all shaken up, all Arabs have been 'Palestinianized', and they are flooding into Europe as sanctuary.

    When Huns invaded the Germanic barbarians from the East, the Germanic barbarians, in desperation, pushed against Rome.
    Today, Zionization is messing up the Middle East and North Africa, and all those people are pouring into Europe.

    Dire situation.

    Europe is also finally being Ottomanized. But the invaders are coming not as armies but as 'refugees'. Same end result.

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  127. A firearms registry list is just something waiting to be hacked. Given that most hackers are moonlighting national security people in Russia, China, Taiwan, South Korea, North Korea, Israel etc., embedded with approval by the security people in organized crime hacker gangs, any repository of information about people of any value will be hacked. Examples include 100 million taxpayer info hacked, something like 35 million US background checks and background interview data hacked from OPM, numerous ObamaCare hacks including btw, my brother’s personal info from Blue Shield of CA used to open phony Verizon accounts. The only solution is to not have a registry. Otherwise you’re looking at Dark Market online sales of gun owners addresses and inventory.

    And the whole BLM issue is really just Blacks demanding a legalized form of privilege. Government exists to allow widescale looting by first the connected, dynastic gangs: the Clintons, Bushes, Obamas, Kennedys, etc. have by political power, with connected billionaires like Soros and Adelson and the Koch Brothers and the like. The power rests not btw on the billionaires but the political dynasties doling out favors or retracting them.

    Then second in power and control comes the court poets, bards, and priests: people at Salon, Lena Dunham, various trust fund and foundation supported “performance artists” and SJW who don’t make money but get court money from the dynasties to further religious belief in Diversity and PC and the like. People like Jerry Seinfeld, Colin Quinn, Patton Oswalt, and Steve Harvey are in revolt because they don’t get court money, they don’t have the sinecure, they make money by making people laugh and a stifling religious inquisition threatens them directly.

    Finally come Black people who demand a sort of Street Authority. BLM want Black people to be able to deal out beatings and if deemed required, killings of various White people with no legal recourse by Whites. Including police officers. The vast majority of the Black population is not going to be hobnobbing with the elite at Davos, or even writing click-bait religious articles about how devout they are hating BadWhites. So they have to have something.

    BLM is all about social power in lieu of economic power.

    Vester Flanagan’s main complaint was that White people treated him like a human being, instead of a Warrior Overlord whom proper bowing, scraping, fear, and groveling was due. This is a pretty mainstream Black demand, Ta Nehisi Coates argues it, as does Cornel West, most rappers, and Obama. This demand animated Michael Brown AND Trayvon Martin. It seems to have been the motivator for Ismail Abdullah Brinsley, the shooter of the two NYC cops, Aaron Alexis the DC Navy Yard shooting, the SCE shooter here in the City of Industry, and Omar Thornton and particularly Nkosi Thandiwe.

    Black violence against Whites will NEVER stop because its driven by more and more demands of fawning deference and groveling to make up for income and other status disparities. The more fawning and more deferential Whites become around Blacks, particularly males for whom status is more important (for women it is beauty) the greater the Black demands.

    This is particularly unhealthy as it simply doles out status and street social power based on race, with less and less status for those who produce wealth and stability and more and more for those who produce violence and chaos. The system and the logical demands of BLM guarantees that most White men will have, outside the few in the dynastic empires (the Bushes, Clinton son-in-law, Kennedys etc.) and less court priests will have two choices: either a sexless, groveling semi-eunuch or full on John Wesley Hardin.

    Hardin’s autobiography is available free and online. It has the usual justifications and evasions of a killer “forced into it” but it reveals in total his motivation: he LIKED having people afraid of him, being a deadly killer made him not just the son who failed to become a lawyer but a person to be afraid of, and made him btw irresistible to the ladies. The same motivation was behind most of the Mafia.

    Prediction: IF society continues to dole out street power and status based on BLM demands for a street color caste system and privileges, White men will short circuit that by the old outlaw system which is as thoroughly ingrained in White character as Harold Bluetooth and Viking raids. Or various post-Roman warlords carving out territory and calling themselves King. That story is as old as Braveheart.

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  128. OT: Jeb! Bush gets a proven winner to help out with his campaign:

    Cantor to join Jeb!’s campaign

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  129. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Romanian
    I wrote a stinging rebuttal that won't even show up!!!

    Damn these people.

    I have a better example than termites. John Derbyshire wrote something regarding the thoughtcrime cover-up in Robert Putnam's books on the effects of diversity.

    "The paper has a very curious structure. After a brief introduction (two pages), there are three main sections, headed as follows:

    + The Prospects and Benefits of Immigration and Ethnic Diversity (three pages)
    + Immigration and Diversity Foster Social Isolation (nineteen pages)
    + Becoming Comfortable with Diveristy (seven pages)

    I’ve had some mild amusement here at my desk trying to think up imaginary research papers similarly structured. One for publication in a health journal, perhaps, with three sections titled

    + Health benefits of drinking green tea
    + Green tea causes intestinal cancer
    + Making the switch to green tea!"

    “I wrote a stinging rebuttal that won’t even show up!!!”

    Of course, they are not entirely wrong. Every invasion come with some benefits.
    I’m sure the Chinese takeover of Tibet is adding more Chinese restaurants.
    And the Mongol Invasion of Russia did lead to the Silk Road that had some positive things.

    But one has to look at the big picture. If this keeps up, you lose your nation.

    All of Europe can be Kosovo-ized.

    It’s like the Middle East and North Africa is being Zionized — messed up by Zio-global foreign policy — , and Europe is being ‘Palestinianized’ or ‘Arab-ized’. When Zionists did ethnic cleansing in the late 40s, many Palestinians poured into Jordan.
    Now, with the entire region all shaken up, all Arabs have been ‘Palestinianized’, and they are flooding into Europe as sanctuary.

    When Huns invaded the Germanic barbarians from the East, the Germanic barbarians, in desperation, pushed against Rome.
    Today, Zionization is messing up the Middle East and North Africa, and all those people are pouring into Europe.

    Dire situation.

    Europe is also finally being Ottomanized. But the invaders are coming not as armies but as ‘refugees’. Same end result.

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    Wow, those Joos sure do have magic powers. Tens of millions of Europeans are killed and displaced during and after WWII and it's no big deal, but the Joos displace a couple of hundred thousand Arabs from one tiny corner of the Middle East (look at a map of the Muslim world - Israel is a little tiny dot that you can barely see on the map) and the result is the destruction of all of Western civilization.
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  130. One important lesson should be taken from the Vester Flanigan tragedy. It should be absorbed, contemplated, made instinctive. Morality demands such from us, and nothing less. That lesson: Even the role-poly ones are dangerous.

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  131. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Neocons are really Ziocons. As they are ethno-cons for Jewish power and Israel, they are essentially bio-cons. It’s about loyalty to their biological tribe.

    White folks also need to become Biocons. Since they came from Europe, they must become Eurocons.

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  132. Miley Cyrus self identifies herself as a gender fluid Pansexual.

    https://www.yahoo.com/health/miley-cyrus-identifies-as-pansexual-what-does-127797473807.html

    It is hard to believe she comes from a Southern Christian family in Tennessee. She really has rebelled against her traditional Southern roots and is a lot less conservative than her father Billy Ray. She is now a lot culturally closer to SWPL Hipster Berkeley, California Whites than she is to Tennessee Whites. Miley Cyrus is too weird even for Austin, Texas standards. She is Berkeley and Portland, Oregon level of weird. It all started when she got rid of her long feminine hair and adopted the short butch dyke hair cut.

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    "Miley Cyrus self identifies herself as a gender fluid Pansexual."

    She should just identify as Pan.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=pan+greek+mythology&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS584&espv=2&biw=1680&bih=941&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI6KCM-v_MxwIVSTc-Ch147wt8&dpr=1
    , @shk12344
    Giver her 20 years and she will be making appearances on 700 club with reanimated corpse of Pat Robertson.
    , @Anonymous
    From a former child actress -- who still looks young for her age -- the hamfisted epater-bourgeoisie behavior of MiCy is unsurprising. Like Lohan she's been surrounded by showbiz freaks her whole life and doesn't grasp the practical real-life limits of her "powers," while they last. But in 10-15 years I'd expect her to turn out a lot like her parents, or whichever one she takes after more. There are even hints of that now; I remember her wanting to get married at 18? But it was funny how her cartoon-slut act fizzled so quickly -- not before it was embraced for a New Third-Wave Feminist Ideal by Jezebel, Salon et al. They all wrote the same article, essentially complaining that Cyrus wasn't getting the same uniformly sunny coverage the "patriarchy" gives to popular-but-corny Taylor Swift (feminist bloggers are at last so dumb they don't even realize who's manipulating whom; Swift orchestrates the brand, not the other way around). It's a foolish premise because every father would obviously prefer the female offspring who acts feminine, tends to her looks, and presents the qualities of being upbeat and (mostly) chaste in a non-specific fashion; whereas a daughter dressing & acting like Cyrus is taken as a direct insult.
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  133. Kanye West is surely very envious.

    Bryce Williams’ interruption of the white lady reporter was more ‘badass’ than his interruption of Taylor Swift.

    And both were before a TV audience.

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    I wonder if Bryce Williams' last thoughts were, "F**k Kanye, I'mma not happy for this white b*tch, and I'mma not gonna let her finish!"
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  134. @simpleton
    Most states do not provide access to arms registry lists. http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_firearm_registry_lists If access was mandated, then third parties could construct services that could trigger alerts to interested parties (such as an ex-employee became a gun-owner). If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?

    This is just the kind of gun registry used to disarm citizens in most foreign countries. Try reading the constitution.

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  135. @simpleton
    Most states do not provide access to arms registry lists. http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_firearm_registry_lists If access was mandated, then third parties could construct services that could trigger alerts to interested parties (such as an ex-employee became a gun-owner). If home ownership, website ownership is mostly public, why should gun ownership information not be public information?

    Households without guns would be a more likey target for burglary and home invasion if gun ownership were public information. A non-public gun registry affords pacifist non-gun owners a crime supressing free ride. Lawful gun owners should get a tax credit. Of course criminals and non-citizens should never be allowed to own or carry firearms.

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    It's more likely that gun owners would be targeted for an unoccupied residence burglary. Firearms are a valuable item with significant street value.

    The progressive political class is patently hostile to civilian gun ownership and will attempt to by whatever means it can to first restrict and then eliminate it. As it stands in the US the government (federal, state, or local) has to prove why you can't own one, rather than you proving to them why you should be permitted to own one. If the later should become the case they will rapidly escalate the requirements, and eventually make it effectively impossible. See for example the legal hoop-jumping in Washington DC.

    Gun rights is one area that has resisted the progressive assault well, and I think that has a lot to do with Obama's hostility. He got stiff-armed after Newtown, and the defeat stung on a personal level.
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  136. @Swampfox
    "For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious – he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years."

    I live in the are Roof grew up in. I would guess his middle school was roughly 40 to 50% black. If he wasn't in AP classes, which I assume he wasn't, then his classes were along the line of 80% black. As far as I can tell, he dropped out of high school after one year.

    I pity any white kid relegated to black-majority, non-AP classes in my local school district. His fascination with whites in Rhodesia might be explained by his own feelings of abandonment during his school years.

    “For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious – he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years.”

    “Mah po’ luh boy wuz a victim uh racizm’ he dindu nuffin!”

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    He did do something and killing people who personally hadn't done anything to deserve it was wrong.

    That doesn't change the fact that anyone who knows what really goes on the other side of the NYT's wall of lies, knows there's about a 95% chance his life was like a school version of Shawshank Redemption.
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  137. A distinction rarely made (and certainly not any difference morally, but perhaps worth noting for purposes of analysis) is that there are really two kinds of mass shootings. In some (for example Omar Thornton or Amy Bishop, and now also this guy) the murderer kills people that he knows and acts based on perceived grievances. But in most of the recent prominent shootings, the murderer kills complete strangers, often for an unclear motive. (The “unclear motive” part does not apply to Roof, but it is usually the case.) School shootings are probably in between – the killers probably do know at least some of their victims personally, but the larger the high school the less likely this is, and some high schools these days are very large.

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  138. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    It’s about time that white folks understood that civic duty cannot be understood and practiced apart from ethnic duty and historic duty.

    Civic duty means caring about the good of the community than just oneself.
    But civic values cannot be understood apart from ethic identity and values.
    Different races/cultures have different temperaments and norms.

    Also, society isn’t just about social space but movement through time. We are here because people in the past cared for the future(which is now the present), and that means we owe something to the future. Our decisions must well-serve those in the future.

    What today’s white people are doing to future white people is downright criminal.

    All these cuck elites like Lindsey Graham are selling out the future of white race for their 30 pieces of silver.

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  139. @Jefferson
    Miley Cyrus self identifies herself as a gender fluid Pansexual.
    https://www.yahoo.com/health/miley-cyrus-identifies-as-pansexual-what-does-127797473807.html

    It is hard to believe she comes from a Southern Christian family in Tennessee. She really has rebelled against her traditional Southern roots and is a lot less conservative than her father Billy Ray. She is now a lot culturally closer to SWPL Hipster Berkeley, California Whites than she is to Tennessee Whites. Miley Cyrus is too weird even for Austin, Texas standards. She is Berkeley and Portland, Oregon level of weird. It all started when she got rid of her long feminine hair and adopted the short butch dyke hair cut.

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  140. @inselaffen
    Not that I expect integrity from the press these days especially but I was a bit taken aback by the choice of images so many newspapers - & not just tabloids but even some 'respectable' ones - put on their front cover. I'd like to think even 10 years ago it would have been different. Carefully picking the frame to 'best' show the terror on her face as she gets shot, from the killer's eye view, and plaster it all over your front page. Some even photoshopped lurid muzzle flash in there to further cartoonize an image I've seen a lot of people say already looked like something out of a computer game.

    So they gave the killer what he want, in spades. I'm sure the message will sink in to any other losers who want people to hear them yell on the way out. Of course these images are easy to find on the internet, but if you have to go to a gore site to see them, at least it 'feels' seedy & wrong (like using an affair website, I guess), but with mainstream press chasing the 'gorn' market by plastering it all over public spaces, it normalises it. Of course if you cornered any of the editors who approved, selected, photoshopped those pics they'd blather about 'free press' 'reporting the news' etc. Not until it was their daughter, wife, mother...

    Some even photoshopped lurid muzzle flash in there to further cartoonize an image I’ve seen a lot of people say already looked like something out of a computer game.

    I share in your queasiness over how prominently these images are being displayed in some mainstream media outlets, but the muzzle flashes were definitely not photoshopped- they’re in the original video and clearly visible if you watch in super slow motion using something like VLC Player (not that I’m recommending anyone do this.)

    Right now we’ve probably got some outlets running a muzzle flash frame and others running a frame from 1/30th of a second earlier, so I can see why people would assume the flashes are shopped.

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  141. There is something weird about all these shootings. I know Brutus ale will accuse me of being a dave McGowan fan boy (guilty by the way).
    Whether it’s the weird reactions by loved ones or the sandy hook phoniness that seems to permeate all these incidents. …. the more you actually look into these events the more they seem hoaky.

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  142. @Realist
    "The Virginia Shooter Wanted Fame. Let’s Not Give It to Him;" the South Carolina Shooter, on the Other Hand ..."

    Hypocrisy you say? What will the MSM think of next?

    “The Virginia Shooter Wanted Fame. Let’s Not Give It to Him”

    The Virginia Shooter is dead. He killed himself. He cannot bask in his notoriety. Not mentioning him by name does not, I repeat, does not take away from his fame, for he cannot enjoy it – unless you believe that he is – “Our Town”-like – floating above our heads in the ether witnessing every word said about him.

    I say, Vester Lee Flanagan is dead and cannot wallow in his notorious fame – so how can we deny him such vanity when he is dead, already? Think about it: “The Virginia Shooter wanted Fame. Let’s Not Give It to Him”. Ooh, okay! Mum’s the word; are you listening Vester, oops, sorry, I mean Virginia Shooter?

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    Achilles said he was motivated by the fame that will outlive him.
    , @Priss Factor
    Never mind fame. We can give him shame, and that is what NYT doesn't want to give him cuz he is associated with blackness and homoness.
    , @Realist
    I was quoting Steve's headline. If you have a problem with it address him not me
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  143. @Dave Pinsen
    My point about the politicization of psychiatry isn't just theoretical: there's a history of it. And it doesn't have to be limited to gun ownership. Why should a nativist be allowed to poison the mind of a young girl? Maybe the state needs to take your daughter away from you.

    As for restricting gun ownership, plenty has already been done, there are already federal regulations in place in addition to state ones: background checks, waiting periods, etc. Gay black guy passed all that. However: it's been mentioned by former coworkers that the shooter had a history of having a violent temper, that he needed to be escorted out of one workplace by cops, that he physically threatened people, etc. And none of that made it on his background check.

    That's an issue, and it's probably related to fear of getting sued, but maybe he wouldn't have been able to buy the gun legally if someone had started a paper trail on him years ago, by filing assault charges on him, or getting a restraining order, etc.

    Well, my daughter is is bit older than this young lady who was shot dead, that’s why I thought of her.

    I realize there’s some needle threading that is required here, but something really has to be done. I cannot accept the idea that I have to accept this kind of mass shooting on a yearly basis. And I am a rightwinger who loves guns. And if I feel that way, I can imagine how the rest of my progressive/liberal family, friends, and neighbors feel. In fact I know how they feel: they want to do a Scotland or Australia.

    Inevitably, it looks like we are either going to have to monitor people more carefully or monitor weapons more carefully. I’d prefer the first, before the second.

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    Inevitably, it looks like we are either going to have to monitor people more carefully or monitor weapons more carefully. I’d prefer the first, before the second.
     
    A couple of alternative solutions:

    - Throttle back on mass immigration, particularly by potentially violent or aggrieved groups. That would have prevented some shootings directly (e.g., the one at those recruiting stations in the south recently), and it would reduce some of the social atomization ("bowling alone") that probably exacerbates the mental instability of some shooters.

    - Throttle back on affirmative action. Without it, as Dennis Dale noted on Twitter, you'd probably have fewer aggrieved black shooters.
    , @anon

    And I am a rightwinger who loves guns.
     
    I think you're a concern troll - someone who pretends to be on one side while actually being on the other.

    The first step in doing something about gun violence is for the media to admit most of it is caused by black youth gangs.

    Until that happens all other arguments are bogus.
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  144. @eah

    Actually I would say the racism explanation for poor school achievement of immigrants in Finland is on topic. The racism excuse continually absolves one group and blames another group for any kind of disparity that occurs. Unfortunately, mentally unbalanced people like Vester come to believe that this is how the world actually is.

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  145. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Discard
    The Post Office is a low-skill civil service job, where a smart but poorly socialized person can do well on the test and be hired according to their test score, making allowances for affirmative action. You can be pretty deranged as long as you do your work and obey the rules, until you go postal.
    But in recent years, it's been filling up with foreign born Orientals. They're not crazy at all. They're smart enough but can't speak intelligible English, so it's the best job they can get. Instead of poor socialization steering them to postal jobs, poor English does. We're replacing bizzarros with Orientals.

    In my area of N. Calif. the E. Asians seem to be overrepresented in USPS but would be the plurality at most. My home town, a tiny city near the Rose Bowl, used to have the SoCal mix at the main P.O. but now their workforce is 100% Koreans (I have wondered if this is a legally stable situation). Since the same isn’t true of county or state buildings nearby (DMV, police, etc.) I figured the E. Asians derive some particular eclat from federal employment.

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    "In my area of N. Calif. the E. Asians seem to be overrepresented in USPS but would be the plurality at most. My home town, a tiny city near the Rose Bowl, used to have the SoCal mix at the main P.O. but now their workforce is 100% Koreans (I have wondered if this is a legally stable situation). Since the same isn’t true of county or state buildings nearby (DMV, police, etc.) I figured the E. Asians derive some particular eclat from federal employment."

    The nearest walking distance Post Office where I live almost all of the employees are Asian with the exception of 1 token White woman who looks like the doppelganger of the teacher who gets murdered by Chucky in Child's Play 2.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnxibz4Gb2s
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  146. @TWS
    What happened was they started requiring the workers to process more and faster. Fewer breaks and firings for those who weren't making the cut. Processing mail all day is both tedious and stressful if you are constantly pushed to go faster.

    I like how the postal service spun it comparing it to a number of other professions including stop and rob clerk things like that saying a postal worker was no more likely to be killed or injured while on the job. What they didn't say because they couldn't is that postal workers are no more likely to be hurt or killed by their coworkers. The work and the workforce has changed and it is an entirely different generation of workers doing the work but I remember working the old sorting machines and bundling by hand. The effing things were loud and a good worker had to process thousands of pieces a day accurately with just a glance at a poorly written or smeared address.

    Keep telling people they have to do it faster and faster and firing them if you don't when before they had a much more leisurely and sane job and you'll get dysfunctional behavior.

    I read the book Going Postal and it seemed like the Postal Service was a hell hole to work at that time if these things are true. These people were pushed to the brink by management. I remember reading about 1 eventual shooter who would have his supervisor spy at him at his house if I remember correctly. They would look for any incident to write somebody up.

    At the time the Postal Service was trying to be like a regular company without subsidies if I remember correctly so they were really driving people hard.

    I would handle the mail at work years ago and it is amazing that some of the mail even got to where it was supposed to go because the address was incomplete or practically unreadable,

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    The term "going postal" is from the movie "Clueless" in 1995.

    Back then my local post office, Uptown in Chicago, was the worst in America. The New Yorker ran a 10 page article about how bad the Uptown post office was. The workers didn't seem to be too much under the lash of management there, but then my sample was biased.

    , @Mr. Anon
    I knew someone who had several relatives who worked for the post-office in the 80s, and she said the same thing - that the Post Office was an especially unpleasant place to work and that it had lousy management-worker relations.
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  147. @Jefferson
    Miley Cyrus self identifies herself as a gender fluid Pansexual.
    https://www.yahoo.com/health/miley-cyrus-identifies-as-pansexual-what-does-127797473807.html

    It is hard to believe she comes from a Southern Christian family in Tennessee. She really has rebelled against her traditional Southern roots and is a lot less conservative than her father Billy Ray. She is now a lot culturally closer to SWPL Hipster Berkeley, California Whites than she is to Tennessee Whites. Miley Cyrus is too weird even for Austin, Texas standards. She is Berkeley and Portland, Oregon level of weird. It all started when she got rid of her long feminine hair and adopted the short butch dyke hair cut.

    Giver her 20 years and she will be making appearances on 700 club with reanimated corpse of Pat Robertson.

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  148. @Priss Factor
    "Who suffers most? Law abiding black families..."

    statistically insiggy

    "In other words, we can lay a big part of the blame at the feet of that small group of influential editors who meet each morning at the NYT to decide what stories to feature on their front page and how to frame them."

    They are bad but the reality would be the same even if Jared Taylor ran the Times.

    Blacks are out of control.

    NYT hasn't been honest about Mexers and Asians either. But they are not rioting.

    Blacks are out of control.

    A relatively small minority of blacks when you get right down to it, mostly males between 18 and 35. What percentage exactly? I’m not sure.

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    From my experience, a lot of blacks have a funny way with rules.

    Too many are like Jayson Blair and Serena Williams.

    They may not commit violent crime, but they have a funny sense of entitlement, different rules for themselves, no sense of responsibility, and etc. And even non-criminal blacks in government pull so many dirty tricks.

    Look at the Atlanta school test scandal. It was carried out be administrators and teachers.

    So, the problem isn't just about robbery and rape. It's about national character or racial character.

    Look at Greeks. Low national character. Most Greeks are not killers or robbers, but so many are cheaters cheaters pumpkin eaters.

    So much of criminal black behavior is enabled by blacks who don't commit crime.

    Look at the mayor of Baltimore. Look at Al Sharpton. Look at Eric Holder.

    And then, you got rappers and Muhammad Ali's of the world who may not commit crime but promote a culture of abrasiveness and childishiness though it was entertaining in the case of Ali, as when he beat up the 'black gorilla doll' of Frazier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ37lyT6u8Y
    , @Jack D
    On any given day, 30 percent of African-American males ages 20 to 29 are "under correctional supervision" - either in jail or prison or on probation or parole.

    So the idea that this is some tiny minority and that most blacks are law abiding is just plain wrong. If you assume that those under correctional supervision are concentrated in inner city areas (and that a certain percentage commit crimes but are never arrested), then probably a majority of inner city young black males are involved in criminality.
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  149. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    Miley Cyrus self identifies herself as a gender fluid Pansexual.
    https://www.yahoo.com/health/miley-cyrus-identifies-as-pansexual-what-does-127797473807.html

    It is hard to believe she comes from a Southern Christian family in Tennessee. She really has rebelled against her traditional Southern roots and is a lot less conservative than her father Billy Ray. She is now a lot culturally closer to SWPL Hipster Berkeley, California Whites than she is to Tennessee Whites. Miley Cyrus is too weird even for Austin, Texas standards. She is Berkeley and Portland, Oregon level of weird. It all started when she got rid of her long feminine hair and adopted the short butch dyke hair cut.

    From a former child actress — who still looks young for her age — the hamfisted epater-bourgeoisie behavior of MiCy is unsurprising. Like Lohan she’s been surrounded by showbiz freaks her whole life and doesn’t grasp the practical real-life limits of her “powers,” while they last. But in 10-15 years I’d expect her to turn out a lot like her parents, or whichever one she takes after more. There are even hints of that now; I remember her wanting to get married at 18? But it was funny how her cartoon-slut act fizzled so quickly — not before it was embraced for a New Third-Wave Feminist Ideal by Jezebel, Salon et al. They all wrote the same article, essentially complaining that Cyrus wasn’t getting the same uniformly sunny coverage the “patriarchy” gives to popular-but-corny Taylor Swift (feminist bloggers are at last so dumb they don’t even realize who’s manipulating whom; Swift orchestrates the brand, not the other way around). It’s a foolish premise because every father would obviously prefer the female offspring who acts feminine, tends to her looks, and presents the qualities of being upbeat and (mostly) chaste in a non-specific fashion; whereas a daughter dressing & acting like Cyrus is taken as a direct insult.

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  150. @Priss Factor
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3213599/TV-gunman-s-mother-violent-outbursts-threatened-kill-father-two-sisters-eight-years-old-court-documents-claim.html

    "TV gunman's mother had 'violent outbursts and threatened to kill him, his father and two sisters when he was eight years old', court documents claim"

    Hey, the nutjob's mother talked and acted like Serena Williams on court. A strong, beautiful, and outspoken black woman who don't take no shit but spews shit all over. Maybe Claudia Rankin the Stankin can pen a paean to her.

    PS: Could it be Serena as a little girl was so quiet and afraid to ask for a little more food(like Oliver Twist) because she was terrified of her mother? But Rankin makes it sound like the ghosts of the KKK were haunting her like the kid in SIXTH SENSE.

    “TV gunman’s mother had ‘violent outbursts and threatened to kill him, his father and two sisters when he was eight years old’, court documents claim”

    Jayman calling.

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  151. @Priss Factor
    It's obvious from NYT's funny games that the media are toying with us.

    I think what everyone needs is a new academic discipline called Power Studies or Manipulation Studies or Advertisement Studies or Propaganda Studies.

    Schools teach about science, literature, history, and stuff. But they don't teach about the teaching/informing of those subjects, i.e. everything subject that we are taught or informed is not the pure reality but the reality filtered through a system of ideas, signs, symbols, tropes, agendas, biases, and etc.

    There is a class on consumer information in schools that warn kids about how they are targeted by advertisers, but it's not enough. It's not enough because it's not just consumer products that are advertised but EVERYTHING.

    Even education is a form of manipulation, and even the so-called de-constructors are constructors and propagators of the PC agenda.

    We need to raise awareness not only of what is false or wrong but how the power of media/advertising/education works, what kinds of mind-trick techniques are employed, how pop culture/entertainment aren't only fun stuff but means of shaping our values and outlooks, and etc.

    We watch TV and often agree or disagree, but we don't ask about the Wizard behind the Curtain and the tricks that he employs.

    We need to expose that, and, of course, the first step is to spell out WHO has the control. It explains why Rick Sanchez was let go. He said WHO.

    And there are so many mind tricks and techniques. Like the Pavlovian advertising trick that associated homos with the rainbow. The power of spectacle.

    To understand magic, we have to know the tricks behind it.

    The mass media is a magic trick. We need to know the tricks.

    What the NYT is trying to pull is a slick one.

    We need to come up with terms for tricks like this.

    Also, we have to raise consciousness and awareness among Americans that they are really really dumb.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVeEUosn1Wc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym_TGFLqgUw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGjk_GRLgoY

    It’s obvious from NYT’s funny games that the media are toying with us.

    It’s almost like they are trolling the public. Maybe there’s money in it. Make ‘em mad.

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  152. @Inquiring Mind
    So, what's the deal with that Lopez-Sanchez fellow who is accused of shooting and killing a woman at the San Francisco waterfront?

    Yeah, yeah, umpteen felony drug convictions blah blah deported a zillion times blah blah sanctuary city.

    None of this answers why? Just because you are an undocumented immigrant drug runner, does that mean you get your thrills by shooting a tourist in the back?

    Just looking at the guy, he doesn't have that 1000 yard stare of other shooters, he doesn't have that respect/disrespect culture defiant look of some other criminal defendants. He just has this shrug-of-the-shoulder look of he doesn't know why he did this.

    What was the deal? Was he shooting to defend himself in his line of work (drug dealing) and the bullet just "crested the hill" striking an uninvolved bystander (at some distance). Was he just bored and started firing at random? Was this act something that established his bona fides as a drug dealer? Did he have anger towards white women for some slight?

    I really want to know more about this crime -- was it terrorism, was it hate, was there any justification behind it all or is this guy just some-kind-of-stupid? The powers that be seriously want this on the back pages for all of the ammunition, excuse the phrase, it gives the anti-immigrant faction, but why should we be anti-immigrant? Are there those entering our country bearing hate or should be enforce our border to keep out people with really low IQ?

    He’s a dim-bulb that was high on drugs. I’m open to considering just about any conspiracy theory, but I think this guy is what he is. He was doped up on sleep meds, found a gun, and in his stupor decided to start shooting at sea lions.

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    Apparently it was involuntary manslaughter. Forensics on the bullet indicate a downward trajectory as well as a ricochet. So, they will have a hard time charging him with murder. He probably was taking a shot at a sea lion.

    Sorry, but that's the way it's looking.
    , @Jack D
    Just like the shooter on the train in France "found a gun" in the park. It's funny that I have lived for almost 6 decades and never once have I "found a gun" (and had I found one, it would never occur to me to pick it up and use it to start taking shots at sea lions, robbing a train car, etc.) Even if you accept these guys' explanations at face value (which is itself a pretty big leap of faith) then what they do next does not exonerate them (though maybe it reduces the severity of their crime). Presumably this is the point of their cock and bull stories - they realize that they are caught red handed and have zero chance of presenting themselves as innocent of any crime, but maybe they can get away with doing a few years instead of life.
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  153. @Ttjy
    I read the book Going Postal and it seemed like the Postal Service was a hell hole to work at that time if these things are true. These people were pushed to the brink by management. I remember reading about 1 eventual shooter who would have his supervisor spy at him at his house if I remember correctly. They would look for any incident to write somebody up.


    At the time the Postal Service was trying to be like a regular company without subsidies if I remember correctly so they were really driving people hard.

    I would handle the mail at work years ago and it is amazing that some of the mail even got to where it was supposed to go because the address was incomplete or practically unreadable,

    The term “going postal” is from the movie “Clueless” in 1995.

    Back then my local post office, Uptown in Chicago, was the worst in America. The New Yorker ran a 10 page article about how bad the Uptown post office was. The workers didn’t seem to be too much under the lash of management there, but then my sample was biased.

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    Steve, I think it was the Oklahoma shooting in 1986 that started it all. I remember the Edmond shooting very well, for reasons I won't go into, but I think it started there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_post_office_shooting
    , @Brutusale
    The term appeared in the St. Pete Times in 1993. Clueless came out in 1995.

    http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/159050.html
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  154. @Hubbub
    "The Virginia Shooter Wanted Fame. Let’s Not Give It to Him"

    The Virginia Shooter is dead. He killed himself. He cannot bask in his notoriety. Not mentioning him by name does not, I repeat, does not take away from his fame, for he cannot enjoy it - unless you believe that he is - "Our Town"-like - floating above our heads in the ether witnessing every word said about him.

    I say, Vester Lee Flanagan is dead and cannot wallow in his notorious fame - so how can we deny him such vanity when he is dead, already? Think about it: "The Virginia Shooter wanted Fame. Let's Not Give It to Him". Ooh, okay! Mum's the word; are you listening Vester, oops, sorry, I mean Virginia Shooter?

    Achilles said he was motivated by the fame that will outlive him.

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    Achilles said he was motivated by the fame that will outlive him.

     

    Vester wasn't Achilles. Just a heel.
    , @Wyrd
    The Ephesians weren't too successful in wiping out Herostratus' name despite their best efforts.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, the point of not giving these spree killers fame is that the up-and-comers see how much attention the last one got. They then seek to exceed that by doing something even more novel and appalling. It doesn't matter to them that they'll be dead. They savor the prospect in advance.
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  155. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Luke Lea

    Blacks are out of control.
     
    A relatively small minority of blacks when you get right down to it, mostly males between 18 and 35. What percentage exactly? I'm not sure.

    From my experience, a lot of blacks have a funny way with rules.

    Too many are like Jayson Blair and Serena Williams.

    They may not commit violent crime, but they have a funny sense of entitlement, different rules for themselves, no sense of responsibility, and etc. And even non-criminal blacks in government pull so many dirty tricks.

    Look at the Atlanta school test scandal. It was carried out be administrators and teachers.

    So, the problem isn’t just about robbery and rape. It’s about national character or racial character.

    Look at Greeks. Low national character. Most Greeks are not killers or robbers, but so many are cheaters cheaters pumpkin eaters.

    So much of criminal black behavior is enabled by blacks who don’t commit crime.

    Look at the mayor of Baltimore. Look at Al Sharpton. Look at Eric Holder.

    And then, you got rappers and Muhammad Ali’s of the world who may not commit crime but promote a culture of abrasiveness and childishiness though it was entertaining in the case of Ali, as when he beat up the ‘black gorilla doll’ of Frazier.

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  156. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @NeonBets
    You left out a few of the topics from that Mark Ames podcast:

    How Mark Ames (and possibly Matt Taibbi) engaged in statutory rape of 14 year olds, bragged about it their memoir and referred to them as "c*nts".

    How statutory rape (see also Roman Polanski) is perfectly fine so long as one holds proper left-leaning credentials.

    How it's not really even statutory rape if you are in Russia "banging" 14 year old girls who were essentially throw-away orphan-sex-slaves from a collapsed state with no guardian other than a pimp.

    How Ames and Taibbi took the normal frat-boy experience, stuck an exponent on it, revved that mother up to the fifth power...but nonetheless...this dynamic duo has maintained an exalted position in the MSM with Tiabbi even landing a premier gig at none other than Rolling Stone.

    The weird thing is that Taibbi’s father has been at NBC News for decades. Last month I saw him introducing some piece of filler on the “Today” show. In the old days 2nd- and 3rd-generation journalists/politicians/professors had to contend with the stereotype that they’d fallen into that work from not being able to make it in any other field (it’s different for natural caste professions like cops & TV actors where the public endorses the advantages of continuity). When reading young Matt’s foul-mouthed raging against his professional colleagues one does wonder at the origin of this passionate intra-class hatred…

    But the stigma attaching to “legacy” hires & admits exists for a good reason.

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    Wow - I never realized that. I guess because I have rarely seen the father's name in print and rarely heard the son's name spoken out loud. It seems so obvious now.
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  157. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    If US has a special relation with Israel, someone should ask the presidential candidate,
    “If Israel has problems with nation _____, will you favor Israel’s interests over that nation’s?”

    So, the wishes of Jewish-Americans take precedence over that of Turkish-Americans.

    If Liberal Jews are opposed to racial favoritism and if the GOP is about colorblindness, how could this be?

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  158. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Hubbub
    "The Virginia Shooter Wanted Fame. Let’s Not Give It to Him"

    The Virginia Shooter is dead. He killed himself. He cannot bask in his notoriety. Not mentioning him by name does not, I repeat, does not take away from his fame, for he cannot enjoy it - unless you believe that he is - "Our Town"-like - floating above our heads in the ether witnessing every word said about him.

    I say, Vester Lee Flanagan is dead and cannot wallow in his notorious fame - so how can we deny him such vanity when he is dead, already? Think about it: "The Virginia Shooter wanted Fame. Let's Not Give It to Him". Ooh, okay! Mum's the word; are you listening Vester, oops, sorry, I mean Virginia Shooter?

    Never mind fame. We can give him shame, and that is what NYT doesn’t want to give him cuz he is associated with blackness and homoness.

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  159. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    All this homo business….

    it’s not about ‘gay rights’ but about ‘gay’ wrongs.

    it is wrong for homos to insist that their deviant ‘sexuality’ is just as good as the real kind.

    what’s truly perverse is homos not only say it is just as good but deserving of celebration and praise that even real sexuality never gets.

    when the other side mentions ‘gay rights’, we need to say it’s about ‘gay’ wrongs.

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  160. @Priss Factor
    "he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years."

    but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    the guy was seriously nuts.

    “but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    the guy was seriously nuts.”

    Roof’s choice of victims was not “nuts”. He wanted to start a race war. His choice of victims was designed to provoke a tit-for-tat (or worse) response by blacks, which he hoped would radicalize whites.

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    "“but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    the guy was seriously nuts.”

    Roof’s choice of victims was not “nuts”. He wanted to start a race war. His choice of victims was designed to provoke a tit-for-tat (or worse) response by blacks, which he hoped would radicalize whites."

    So if Dylan Roof had gunned down a bunch of Black drug dealers instead of Black church folks, you think in his mind it would not have resulted in a race war?
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  161. @Lugash
    He's a dim-bulb that was high on drugs. I'm open to considering just about any conspiracy theory, but I think this guy is what he is. He was doped up on sleep meds, found a gun, and in his stupor decided to start shooting at sea lions.

    Apparently it was involuntary manslaughter. Forensics on the bullet indicate a downward trajectory as well as a ricochet. So, they will have a hard time charging him with murder. He probably was taking a shot at a sea lion.

    Sorry, but that’s the way it’s looking.

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    What about Murder 2 by depraved indifference - what Teddy Kennedy should have been charged with?
    , @MarkinLA
    Then the solution is to charge him with a crime for each bullet discharged as an attempted murder, and sentence him consecutively so that he never gets out of prison - that or hire the Aryan Brotherhood to save the state some money.
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  162. @Steve Sailer
    The term "going postal" is from the movie "Clueless" in 1995.

    Back then my local post office, Uptown in Chicago, was the worst in America. The New Yorker ran a 10 page article about how bad the Uptown post office was. The workers didn't seem to be too much under the lash of management there, but then my sample was biased.

    Steve, I think it was the Oklahoma shooting in 1986 that started it all. I remember the Edmond shooting very well, for reasons I won’t go into, but I think it started there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_post_office_shooting

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    I don't think the expression "going postal" appeared immediately after the 1986 incident, though. It only arose after a couple of similar incidents. I found this:

    The first known publication of the term “Going Postal” was in the St. Petersburg Times on December 17, 1993. In his article Violence at work tied to loss of esteem, Karl Vick stated; “The symposium was sponsored by the U.S. Postal Service, which has seen so many outbursts that in some circles excessive stress is known as ‘going postal…”

    Later that month, on December 31st, the Los Angeles Times published an article "The Year in Review, 1993" in which they stated: “Unlike the more deadly mass shootings around the nation, which have lent a new term to the language, referring to shooting up the office as “going postal,…”

    It isn’t known who exactly started the phrase “going postal” but what is clear is that it was already a common phrase among Americans at that time.
     
    http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/09/the-origin-of-the-term-going-postal/
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  163. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    I wonder how much of this homosexual’s brain was eaten away by drug use. He was a former prostitute- so he was definitely in “the scene.” The gay media has tried to downplay the fact that queers use tons of drugs, but it’s as true today as it was 20 years ago. The cleanest gay man I know (raised Mormon) takes 15 Z-bars a day. It’s a problem.

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    "I wonder how much of this homosexual’s brain was eaten away by drug use. He was a former prostitute- so he was definitely in “the scene.” The gay media has tried to downplay the fact that queers use tons of drugs, but it’s as true today as it was 20 years ago. The cleanest gay man I know (raised Mormon) takes 15 Z-bars a day. It’s a problem."

    I only found out that Vester Lee Faggagan was a prostitute from reading Right Wing websites like American Renaissance.

    What is your theory as to why none of the cable news channels have reported on the fact that Vester Lee Faggagan was a hoe who had sex for money? Is it because he was Gay and it reinforces the stereotype that Homosexual men are over represented in the world's oldest profession known as prostitution. The Gay Mafia is hell bent on covering that up.
    , @BigGaySteve
    There are a minority of gays that don't do drugs, but I will admit while on 13 week health care travel assignments in DC & Miami I was not able to find any in either city.
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  164. @Steve Sailer
    Achilles said he was motivated by the fame that will outlive him.

    Achilles said he was motivated by the fame that will outlive him.

    Vester wasn’t Achilles. Just a heel.

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    As he was homo, a high heel.
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  165. @Anon
    Kanye West is surely very envious.

    Bryce Williams' interruption of the white lady reporter was more 'badass' than his interruption of Taylor Swift.

    And both were before a TV audience.

    I wonder if Bryce Williams’ last thoughts were, “F**k Kanye, I’mma not happy for this white b*tch, and I’mma not gonna let her finish!”

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    I wonder if Bryce Williams’ last thoughts were, “F**k Kanye, I’mma not happy for this white b*tch, and I’mma not gonna let her finish!”
     
    If you look at his tweets the cameraman who filed an HR compliant against him was his likely main target. Odds are it was a sexual harassment compliant.
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  166. @Steve Sailer
    Achilles said he was motivated by the fame that will outlive him.

    The Ephesians weren’t too successful in wiping out Herostratus’ name despite their best efforts.

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  167. Priss Factor [AKA "protocols of the melders of iron"] says:
    @Reg Cæsar


    Achilles said he was motivated by the fame that will outlive him.

     

    Vester wasn't Achilles. Just a heel.

    As he was homo, a high heel.

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  168. @Anonymous
    In my area of N. Calif. the E. Asians seem to be overrepresented in USPS but would be the plurality at most. My home town, a tiny city near the Rose Bowl, used to have the SoCal mix at the main P.O. but now their workforce is 100% Koreans (I have wondered if this is a legally stable situation). Since the same isn't true of county or state buildings nearby (DMV, police, etc.) I figured the E. Asians derive some particular eclat from federal employment.

    “In my area of N. Calif. the E. Asians seem to be overrepresented in USPS but would be the plurality at most. My home town, a tiny city near the Rose Bowl, used to have the SoCal mix at the main P.O. but now their workforce is 100% Koreans (I have wondered if this is a legally stable situation). Since the same isn’t true of county or state buildings nearby (DMV, police, etc.) I figured the E. Asians derive some particular eclat from federal employment.”

    The nearest walking distance Post Office where I live almost all of the employees are Asian with the exception of 1 token White woman who looks like the doppelganger of the teacher who gets murdered by Chucky in Child’s Play 2.

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  169. @sailer

    Here is an example of Bezo’s war with NYT. It takes apart a piece where NYT claims Clarence Thomas copies his language in bench opinions from submitted briefs. The studies cited show Thomas having a higher count of language from brief but only a fraction of point, .2% higher than Sotomayer 11.29 vs 11.04. And followed by Ginsburg at 10.55. And the second study cited had Thomas at 6.2%, far from the “not thinking for himself” idea the times left the reader with. The Post makes it clear that NYT it is all about the narrative.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/28/unfair-to-justice-thomas/

    Fortune had piece saying

    “Here’s why the Sulzberger family should sell the New York Times”

    http://fortune.com/2015/08/27/sulzberger-family-sell-nyt/

    What shock that the NYT has a publisher named Sulzberger, no?

    I can’t figure out the original nyt writer Adam Liptak. He is a long time legal writer for the nyt and covered the supremes since 2008. I guess his ideological dislike of Thomas might be due to his membership in the tribe.

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    "Here is an example of Bezo’s war with NYT."

    And excellent opportunity for the Washington Post to distinguish itself from the Times by abandoning the politically correct bandwagon all across the board. We saw an inkling of that in their coverage of the U. of Virginia rape allegations. Credibility -- reporting the news objectively "without fear or favor" -- is a prestige national newspaper's most valuable asset. The door is wide open for the Post to replace the Times as the go to paper for the educated reader.

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  170. @Steve Sailer
    Achilles said he was motivated by the fame that will outlive him.

    Yes, the point of not giving these spree killers fame is that the up-and-comers see how much attention the last one got. They then seek to exceed that by doing something even more novel and appalling. It doesn’t matter to them that they’ll be dead. They savor the prospect in advance.

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  171. @SPMoore8
    Apparently it was involuntary manslaughter. Forensics on the bullet indicate a downward trajectory as well as a ricochet. So, they will have a hard time charging him with murder. He probably was taking a shot at a sea lion.

    Sorry, but that's the way it's looking.

    What about Murder 2 by depraved indifference – what Teddy Kennedy should have been charged with?

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  172. @t
    OT: USA Today: As construction heats up, so does worker shortage:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/08/26/construction-worker-shortage/32430517/

    How long before they say we need more immigrants to solve the problem of Americans earning more money?

    OT: USA Today: As construction heats up, so does worker shortage:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/08/26/construction-worker-shortage/32430517/

    How long before they say we need more immigrants to solve the problem of Americans earning more money?

    Today I saw something extraordinary at a construction site in Dallas. No, it wasn’t a White or Black man.

    It was a woman — a mestizo woman — working with the men.

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  173. @SPMoore8
    Apparently it was involuntary manslaughter. Forensics on the bullet indicate a downward trajectory as well as a ricochet. So, they will have a hard time charging him with murder. He probably was taking a shot at a sea lion.

    Sorry, but that's the way it's looking.

    Then the solution is to charge him with a crime for each bullet discharged as an attempted murder, and sentence him consecutively so that he never gets out of prison – that or hire the Aryan Brotherhood to save the state some money.

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    No, no, no. An "attempted" crime means that you intended to do something (kill someone) but did not succeed. This is the opposite.

    The highest charge they may be able to get him on is "depraved heart murder" - you don't intend to kill anyone specific but you do something incredibly reckless and dangerous such as driving into a crowd with your car. Depraved heart murder is a serious felony which can get you decades to life.

    The problem is if he was really trying to kill a seal and the bullet ricocheted, this is not a sign of a depraved heart. The best that they might be able to stick is negligent homicide, which only gets you a few years.
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  174. @Ttjy
    I read the book Going Postal and it seemed like the Postal Service was a hell hole to work at that time if these things are true. These people were pushed to the brink by management. I remember reading about 1 eventual shooter who would have his supervisor spy at him at his house if I remember correctly. They would look for any incident to write somebody up.


    At the time the Postal Service was trying to be like a regular company without subsidies if I remember correctly so they were really driving people hard.

    I would handle the mail at work years ago and it is amazing that some of the mail even got to where it was supposed to go because the address was incomplete or practically unreadable,

    I knew someone who had several relatives who worked for the post-office in the 80s, and she said the same thing – that the Post Office was an especially unpleasant place to work and that it had lousy management-worker relations.

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    Here is an article with a ton of comments from postal employees about how bad it is there. It may have been better in the 60's or 70's.

    http://postalemployeenetwork.com/news/2010/04/the-u-s-postal-service-is-a-toxic-work-environment/

    Here's one comment by someone:

    I understand the workroom stress. I had a acting supervisor who was trying to get brownie points who consistently harassed me over little trivial things that I went to PAR and started talking with someone to relieve stress. So 6 years ago when the retirement bonus came I ran like hell to mental freedom

    Another:

    I’ve worked for USPS for over two years now and it’s thw wirst place I’ve ever worked for. The supervisors are like slave masters and the employees are treated simply like slaves. Since working there, my body is breaking down especially my wrists and knees. I
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  175. @SPMoore8
    Steve, I think it was the Oklahoma shooting in 1986 that started it all. I remember the Edmond shooting very well, for reasons I won't go into, but I think it started there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_post_office_shooting

    I don’t think the expression “going postal” appeared immediately after the 1986 incident, though. It only arose after a couple of similar incidents. I found this:

    The first known publication of the term “Going Postal” was in the St. Petersburg Times on December 17, 1993. In his article Violence at work tied to loss of esteem, Karl Vick stated; “The symposium was sponsored by the U.S. Postal Service, which has seen so many outbursts that in some circles excessive stress is known as ‘going postal…”

    Later that month, on December 31st, the Los Angeles Times published an article “The Year in Review, 1993″ in which they stated: “Unlike the more deadly mass shootings around the nation, which have lent a new term to the language, referring to shooting up the office as “going postal,…”

    It isn’t known who exactly started the phrase “going postal” but what is clear is that it was already a common phrase among Americans at that time.

    http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/09/the-origin-of-the-term-going-postal/

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  176. @SPMoore8
    Well, my daughter is is bit older than this young lady who was shot dead, that's why I thought of her.

    I realize there's some needle threading that is required here, but something really has to be done. I cannot accept the idea that I have to accept this kind of mass shooting on a yearly basis. And I am a rightwinger who loves guns. And if I feel that way, I can imagine how the rest of my progressive/liberal family, friends, and neighbors feel. In fact I know how they feel: they want to do a Scotland or Australia.

    Inevitably, it looks like we are either going to have to monitor people more carefully or monitor weapons more carefully. I'd prefer the first, before the second.

    Inevitably, it looks like we are either going to have to monitor people more carefully or monitor weapons more carefully. I’d prefer the first, before the second.

    A couple of alternative solutions:

    – Throttle back on mass immigration, particularly by potentially violent or aggrieved groups. That would have prevented some shootings directly (e.g., the one at those recruiting stations in the south recently), and it would reduce some of the social atomization (“bowling alone”) that probably exacerbates the mental instability of some shooters.

    – Throttle back on affirmative action. Without it, as Dennis Dale noted on Twitter, you’d probably have fewer aggrieved black shooters.

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    – Throttle back on affirmative action. Without it, as Dennis Dale noted on Twitter, you’d probably have fewer aggrieved black shooters.

    There's also flip side, white version of the Virginia shooter. Marginal white guys in corporate America see affirmative action fuckups getting jobs, praise and promotions and wonder why they aren't. They might not be up to standard, but they see such sub-standard examples running around and naturally assume the system is against them.
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  177. @WGG
    I wonder how much of this homosexual's brain was eaten away by drug use. He was a former prostitute- so he was definitely in "the scene." The gay media has tried to downplay the fact that queers use tons of drugs, but it's as true today as it was 20 years ago. The cleanest gay man I know (raised Mormon) takes 15 Z-bars a day. It's a problem.

    “I wonder how much of this homosexual’s brain was eaten away by drug use. He was a former prostitute- so he was definitely in “the scene.” The gay media has tried to downplay the fact that queers use tons of drugs, but it’s as true today as it was 20 years ago. The cleanest gay man I know (raised Mormon) takes 15 Z-bars a day. It’s a problem.”

    I only found out that Vester Lee Faggagan was a prostitute from reading Right Wing websites like American Renaissance.

    What is your theory as to why none of the cable news channels have reported on the fact that Vester Lee Faggagan was a hoe who had sex for money? Is it because he was Gay and it reinforces the stereotype that Homosexual men are over represented in the world’s oldest profession known as prostitution. The Gay Mafia is hell bent on covering that up.

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    It was included in his tweets. Escort=prostitute. Also he used to be a male ho but it seems he aged out of it.
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  178. @Jefferson
    "https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/27/how-tens-of-thousands-of-migrants-could-help-save-europe/

    Next: how Termites can save your house."

    The writer of that article Ishaan Tharoor is a Muslim. So of course he believes Muslims are good for Europe ,because he is writing from a bias perspective and not a neutral objective perspective.

    Ishaar Tharoor is the Muslim version of Jorge Ramos.

    Actually Ishaan Tharoor is a Hindu (or strictly speaking a deracinated globalist brown division.)

    His father Shashi Tharoor is a career UN flunky.

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  179. I twice worked as Christmas help at the Post Office in the 70′s. Boring, but not hard or stressful. A whole lot of whiners, though, particularly men. I really noticed that the women were much better suited than most of the men.

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  180. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    +100 on what Dave Pinsen said. The sad truth is that there is nothing the -state- can do to prevent this kind of thing. Armed citizens, however, can be effective first responders. Notice that the one time any of these morons tried this in Texas, they got snuffed. They usually avoid places where their victims might be able to shoot back.

    Robert Heinlein said that an armed society is a polite society. It wouldn't bother me one bit if everyone packed.

    The truly sad part about the MSM's refusal to consider the racial angle is that it makes racial conflict more likely. At a certain point, whites are gonna get tired of being targets, and whites are -much- more heavily armed than anyone else.

    Robert Heinlein said that an armed society is a polite society.

    Is there any evidence for the “more guns, less crime” hypothesis? My sense is that the issue has been studied and adjudicated as inconclusive or wrong; see, e.g.,

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w9336

    On the other hand: Gun ownership does increase the risk of suicide (one example of many: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMP0805923).

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    http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636
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  181. So the post office could not find a single decent white or Mexican person to deliver the mail, so they have to hire those asians or indians instead?

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  182. @Anonymous
    The weird thing is that Taibbi's father has been at NBC News for decades. Last month I saw him introducing some piece of filler on the "Today" show. In the old days 2nd- and 3rd-generation journalists/politicians/professors had to contend with the stereotype that they'd fallen into that work from not being able to make it in any other field (it's different for natural caste professions like cops & TV actors where the public endorses the advantages of continuity). When reading young Matt's foul-mouthed raging against his professional colleagues one does wonder at the origin of this passionate intra-class hatred...

    But the stigma attaching to "legacy" hires & admits exists for a good reason.

    Wow – I never realized that. I guess because I have rarely seen the father’s name in print and rarely heard the son’s name spoken out loud. It seems so obvious now.

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  183. @Ananias Dare
    Off-topic,

    An article in the ATLANTIC on the popularity of HP Lovecraft. Rather predictably, it spends a great deal of time discussing how people can bear reading a racist author:

    The Unlikely Reanimation of H.P. Lovecraft
    125 years after his birth, the author known for his eerie tales—and his racist beliefs—has had one of the biggest comebacks in Western literature.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/08/hp-lovecraft-125/401471/

    Phil Eil, the author of the Atlantic piece, has all the hallmarks of a Sailer parody.

    Jewish, semi-failed editor of a failed alternative paper, fanboy of TN Coates and now a part-time instructor at an art school know to New Englanders as Riz-Dick.

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  184. @Chris Mallory

    why should gun ownership information not be public information?
     
    Pretty simple, because in the state in which I live, my guns are not registered. I don't have to ask government permission to buy a firearm from another private citizen. I don't have to give the government serial numbers of the firearms I own.

    I can’t count how many times the idea of a public gun registry comes up.

    Massachusetts, with among the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, has New England’s highest homicide rate. Vermont, with fuck-all for gun laws, has the lowest. Why should Vermonters suffer for the failures of the People’s Commonwealth of MA?

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  185. @Mark Minter
    @sailer

    Here is an example of Bezo's war with NYT. It takes apart a piece where NYT claims Clarence Thomas copies his language in bench opinions from submitted briefs. The studies cited show Thomas having a higher count of language from brief but only a fraction of point, .2% higher than Sotomayer 11.29 vs 11.04. And followed by Ginsburg at 10.55. And the second study cited had Thomas at 6.2%, far from the "not thinking for himself" idea the times left the reader with. The Post makes it clear that NYT it is all about the narrative.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/28/unfair-to-justice-thomas/

    Fortune had piece saying

    "Here's why the Sulzberger family should sell the New York Times"
    http://fortune.com/2015/08/27/sulzberger-family-sell-nyt/

    What shock that the NYT has a publisher named Sulzberger, no?

    I can't figure out the original nyt writer Adam Liptak. He is a long time legal writer for the nyt and covered the supremes since 2008. I guess his ideological dislike of Thomas might be due to his membership in the tribe.

    “Here is an example of Bezo’s war with NYT.”

    And excellent opportunity for the Washington Post to distinguish itself from the Times by abandoning the politically correct bandwagon all across the board. We saw an inkling of that in their coverage of the U. of Virginia rape allegations. Credibility — reporting the news objectively “without fear or favor” — is a prestige national newspaper’s most valuable asset. The door is wide open for the Post to replace the Times as the go to paper for the educated reader.

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  186. @Anonymous

    Robert Heinlein said that an armed society is a polite society.
     
    Is there any evidence for the "more guns, less crime" hypothesis? My sense is that the issue has been studied and adjudicated as inconclusive or wrong; see, e.g.,

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w9336

    On the other hand: Gun ownership does increase the risk of suicide (one example of many: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMP0805923).
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  187. @Steve Sailer
    The term "going postal" is from the movie "Clueless" in 1995.

    Back then my local post office, Uptown in Chicago, was the worst in America. The New Yorker ran a 10 page article about how bad the Uptown post office was. The workers didn't seem to be too much under the lash of management there, but then my sample was biased.

    The term appeared in the St. Pete Times in 1993. Clueless came out in 1995.

    http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/159050.html

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  188. @MarkinLA
    I have to give the Canucks credit on this one. Part of the reason the registry failed is because the people in the western provinces refused to register their weapons. They would organize large demonstrations with signs telling the government that they won't comply and to come and arrest them.

    The same thing would happen here. Molon Labe.

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  189. @Priss Factor
    "I wrote a stinging rebuttal that won’t even show up!!!"

    Of course, they are not entirely wrong. Every invasion come with some benefits.
    I'm sure the Chinese takeover of Tibet is adding more Chinese restaurants.
    And the Mongol Invasion of Russia did lead to the Silk Road that had some positive things.

    But one has to look at the big picture. If this keeps up, you lose your nation.

    All of Europe can be Kosovo-ized.

    It's like the Middle East and North Africa is being Zionized -- messed up by Zio-global foreign policy -- , and Europe is being 'Palestinianized' or 'Arab-ized'. When Zionists did ethnic cleansing in the late 40s, many Palestinians poured into Jordan.
    Now, with the entire region all shaken up, all Arabs have been 'Palestinianized', and they are flooding into Europe as sanctuary.

    When Huns invaded the Germanic barbarians from the East, the Germanic barbarians, in desperation, pushed against Rome.
    Today, Zionization is messing up the Middle East and North Africa, and all those people are pouring into Europe.

    Dire situation.

    Europe is also finally being Ottomanized. But the invaders are coming not as armies but as 'refugees'. Same end result.

    Wow, those Joos sure do have magic powers. Tens of millions of Europeans are killed and displaced during and after WWII and it’s no big deal, but the Joos displace a couple of hundred thousand Arabs from one tiny corner of the Middle East (look at a map of the Muslim world – Israel is a little tiny dot that you can barely see on the map) and the result is the destruction of all of Western civilization.

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    "Tens of millions of Europeans are killed and displaced during and after WWII and it’s no big deal, but the Joos displace a couple of hundred thousand Arabs from one tiny corner of the Middle East (look at a map of the Muslim world – Israel is a little tiny dot that you can barely see on the map) and the result is the destruction of all of Western civilization."

    You really are a dammy.

    First of all, the nation that caused the problem of WWII got punished and blamed big time. Germans are still apologizing.

    Secondly, Palestinians got punished by 'Joos' and the great powers that backed them(US and USSR) for nothing they ever did. They didn't cause WWII.
    And the US that retaliated with mega-violence after Pearl Harbor and 9/11--each killing around 3,000--shouldn't be lecturing to others about use of violence as revenge.

    Also, I didn't say the displacement of Pallies in late 40s directly led to the current crisis. I said it was a mini-rehearsal for what would happen on a much bigger scale. Initially, Zionism was about securing control of the tiny Holy Land. Later, it morphed into an obsessive need to control the entire region(often by pressuring the US and its vassal state EU to support Zionist hostility against all 'enemies of Israel').
    When Jews pushed out Pallies, many poured into neighboring areas, causing problems in Jordan and Lebanon and Syria. But it didn't directly involve Europe.

    Since the Clinton yrs, Jews got a total lock on control of foreign policy, and it grew more during Bush and Obama yrs. Zionist-driven policy led to invasion of Iraq, toppling of Gadfly, and total messing up of Syria. The whole region is overrun with radical terrorists in absence of order and refugees are now in a situation much like the one faced by Pallies in the late 40s.

    Now, would this happened if not for Zionist control of foreign policy in US and EU?

    Who was the grand intellectual who called a Jihad against Gadfly? (He was silent about Zionist massacre by the way)

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/25/levy-libya-film-screening-cannes-festival
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  190. @Luke Lea

    Blacks are out of control.
     
    A relatively small minority of blacks when you get right down to it, mostly males between 18 and 35. What percentage exactly? I'm not sure.

    On any given day, 30 percent of African-American males ages 20 to 29 are “under correctional supervision” – either in jail or prison or on probation or parole.

    So the idea that this is some tiny minority and that most blacks are law abiding is just plain wrong. If you assume that those under correctional supervision are concentrated in inner city areas (and that a certain percentage commit crimes but are never arrested), then probably a majority of inner city young black males are involved in criminality.

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    This tells us that you cannot have diversity when the groups have such different levels of criminality.

    Policing in Western societies is based on less than 5% criminal class.
    , @Jefferson
    "On any given day, 30 percent of African-American males ages 20 to 29 are “under correctional supervision” – either in jail or prison or on probation or parole."

    Suge Knight for example is 50 years old and can qualify for AARP, yet he still behaves like a Michael Brown type yoof. There are a lot of Black males that never outgrow that thug phase. They can be middle age but still behave like yoofs.

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  191. @Hubbub
    "The Virginia Shooter Wanted Fame. Let’s Not Give It to Him"

    The Virginia Shooter is dead. He killed himself. He cannot bask in his notoriety. Not mentioning him by name does not, I repeat, does not take away from his fame, for he cannot enjoy it - unless you believe that he is - "Our Town"-like - floating above our heads in the ether witnessing every word said about him.

    I say, Vester Lee Flanagan is dead and cannot wallow in his notorious fame - so how can we deny him such vanity when he is dead, already? Think about it: "The Virginia Shooter wanted Fame. Let's Not Give It to Him". Ooh, okay! Mum's the word; are you listening Vester, oops, sorry, I mean Virginia Shooter?

    I was quoting Steve’s headline. If you have a problem with it address him not me

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  192. @Lugash
    He's a dim-bulb that was high on drugs. I'm open to considering just about any conspiracy theory, but I think this guy is what he is. He was doped up on sleep meds, found a gun, and in his stupor decided to start shooting at sea lions.

    Just like the shooter on the train in France “found a gun” in the park. It’s funny that I have lived for almost 6 decades and never once have I “found a gun” (and had I found one, it would never occur to me to pick it up and use it to start taking shots at sea lions, robbing a train car, etc.) Even if you accept these guys’ explanations at face value (which is itself a pretty big leap of faith) then what they do next does not exonerate them (though maybe it reduces the severity of their crime). Presumably this is the point of their cock and bull stories – they realize that they are caught red handed and have zero chance of presenting themselves as innocent of any crime, but maybe they can get away with doing a few years instead of life.

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    It’s funny that I have lived for almost 6 decades and never once have I “found a gun"…
     
    You don't live in a country that hosted two world wars on her soil. Don't tell me everything was picked up after that, like a Tea Party rally.
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  193. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Jack D
    On any given day, 30 percent of African-American males ages 20 to 29 are "under correctional supervision" - either in jail or prison or on probation or parole.

    So the idea that this is some tiny minority and that most blacks are law abiding is just plain wrong. If you assume that those under correctional supervision are concentrated in inner city areas (and that a certain percentage commit crimes but are never arrested), then probably a majority of inner city young black males are involved in criminality.

    This tells us that you cannot have diversity when the groups have such different levels of criminality.

    Policing in Western societies is based on less than 5% criminal class.

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  194. @MarkinLA
    Then the solution is to charge him with a crime for each bullet discharged as an attempted murder, and sentence him consecutively so that he never gets out of prison - that or hire the Aryan Brotherhood to save the state some money.

    No, no, no. An “attempted” crime means that you intended to do something (kill someone) but did not succeed. This is the opposite.

    The highest charge they may be able to get him on is “depraved heart murder” – you don’t intend to kill anyone specific but you do something incredibly reckless and dangerous such as driving into a crowd with your car. Depraved heart murder is a serious felony which can get you decades to life.

    The problem is if he was really trying to kill a seal and the bullet ricocheted, this is not a sign of a depraved heart. The best that they might be able to stick is negligent homicide, which only gets you a few years.

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    Discharging a firearm in a crowd is a felony by itself. Each bullet is a separate crime if the DA wants to go that far and sentencing consecutively will make sure he never gets out.
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  195. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Jack D
    Wow, those Joos sure do have magic powers. Tens of millions of Europeans are killed and displaced during and after WWII and it's no big deal, but the Joos displace a couple of hundred thousand Arabs from one tiny corner of the Middle East (look at a map of the Muslim world - Israel is a little tiny dot that you can barely see on the map) and the result is the destruction of all of Western civilization.

    “Tens of millions of Europeans are killed and displaced during and after WWII and it’s no big deal, but the Joos displace a couple of hundred thousand Arabs from one tiny corner of the Middle East (look at a map of the Muslim world – Israel is a little tiny dot that you can barely see on the map) and the result is the destruction of all of Western civilization.”

    You really are a dammy.

    First of all, the nation that caused the problem of WWII got punished and blamed big time. Germans are still apologizing.

    Secondly, Palestinians got punished by ‘Joos’ and the great powers that backed them(US and USSR) for nothing they ever did. They didn’t cause WWII.
    And the US that retaliated with mega-violence after Pearl Harbor and 9/11–each killing around 3,000–shouldn’t be lecturing to others about use of violence as revenge.

    Also, I didn’t say the displacement of Pallies in late 40s directly led to the current crisis. I said it was a mini-rehearsal for what would happen on a much bigger scale. Initially, Zionism was about securing control of the tiny Holy Land. Later, it morphed into an obsessive need to control the entire region(often by pressuring the US and its vassal state EU to support Zionist hostility against all ‘enemies of Israel’).
    When Jews pushed out Pallies, many poured into neighboring areas, causing problems in Jordan and Lebanon and Syria. But it didn’t directly involve Europe.

    Since the Clinton yrs, Jews got a total lock on control of foreign policy, and it grew more during Bush and Obama yrs. Zionist-driven policy led to invasion of Iraq, toppling of Gadfly, and total messing up of Syria. The whole region is overrun with radical terrorists in absence of order and refugees are now in a situation much like the one faced by Pallies in the late 40s.

    Now, would this happened if not for Zionist control of foreign policy in US and EU?

    Who was the grand intellectual who called a Jihad against Gadfly? (He was silent about Zionist massacre by the way)

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/25/levy-libya-film-screening-cannes-festival

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  196. @Priss Factor
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-27/germany-tells-facebook-get-tougher-on-racist-anti-refugee-posts

    Don't block the invaders but block patriotic messages about invaders.

    Germany committing a second Holocaust... against its own people and nation.

    And this one is real.

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  197. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @SPMoore8
    Well, my daughter is is bit older than this young lady who was shot dead, that's why I thought of her.

    I realize there's some needle threading that is required here, but something really has to be done. I cannot accept the idea that I have to accept this kind of mass shooting on a yearly basis. And I am a rightwinger who loves guns. And if I feel that way, I can imagine how the rest of my progressive/liberal family, friends, and neighbors feel. In fact I know how they feel: they want to do a Scotland or Australia.

    Inevitably, it looks like we are either going to have to monitor people more carefully or monitor weapons more carefully. I'd prefer the first, before the second.

    And I am a rightwinger who loves guns.

    I think you’re a concern troll – someone who pretends to be on one side while actually being on the other.

    The first step in doing something about gun violence is for the media to admit most of it is caused by black youth gangs.

    Until that happens all other arguments are bogus.

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  198. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    "he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years."

    but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    the guy was seriously nuts.

    but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    Same reason a battered wife hits the kids not the husband – fear.

    It’s like a white kid gets beat up at school by a black gang and then goes and beats up an elderly Asian man – scared of the people who did it so take it on someone else.

    (I’m not saying he wasn’t nuts as well. The stress being put on society by the anti-white screeching from the media will effect nutty people first.)

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  199. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    “For anyone who like Roof grew up in majority black areas the most plausible explanation is obvious – he’d been the victim of black teen gangs for years.”
     
    "Mah po' luh boy wuz a victim uh racizm' he dindu nuffin!"

    He did do something and killing people who personally hadn’t done anything to deserve it was wrong.

    That doesn’t change the fact that anyone who knows what really goes on the other side of the NYT’s wall of lies, knows there’s about a 95% chance his life was like a school version of Shawshank Redemption.

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    "If it wont fur'em raciss Peepul my po' boy coulda bean da' press-a-dent..DEY TOOK MY BOYAA LIFE AWAY'FRM ME!"

    -The victim Dylan Storm Roof was known around school as an aspiring rapper and basketball player with a lot of friends...
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  200. @Dave Pinsen

    Inevitably, it looks like we are either going to have to monitor people more carefully or monitor weapons more carefully. I’d prefer the first, before the second.
     
    A couple of alternative solutions:

    - Throttle back on mass immigration, particularly by potentially violent or aggrieved groups. That would have prevented some shootings directly (e.g., the one at those recruiting stations in the south recently), and it would reduce some of the social atomization ("bowling alone") that probably exacerbates the mental instability of some shooters.

    - Throttle back on affirmative action. Without it, as Dennis Dale noted on Twitter, you'd probably have fewer aggrieved black shooters.

    – Throttle back on affirmative action. Without it, as Dennis Dale noted on Twitter, you’d probably have fewer aggrieved black shooters.

    There’s also flip side, white version of the Virginia shooter. Marginal white guys in corporate America see affirmative action fuckups getting jobs, praise and promotions and wonder why they aren’t. They might not be up to standard, but they see such sub-standard examples running around and naturally assume the system is against them.

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  201. @NeonBets
    You left out a few of the topics from that Mark Ames podcast:

    How Mark Ames (and possibly Matt Taibbi) engaged in statutory rape of 14 year olds, bragged about it their memoir and referred to them as "c*nts".

    How statutory rape (see also Roman Polanski) is perfectly fine so long as one holds proper left-leaning credentials.

    How it's not really even statutory rape if you are in Russia "banging" 14 year old girls who were essentially throw-away orphan-sex-slaves from a collapsed state with no guardian other than a pimp.

    How Ames and Taibbi took the normal frat-boy experience, stuck an exponent on it, revved that mother up to the fifth power...but nonetheless...this dynamic duo has maintained an exalted position in the MSM with Tiabbi even landing a premier gig at none other than Rolling Stone.

    “How Mark Ames (and possibly Matt Taibbi)…”

    Do you have a link that specifically discusses your allegation against Taibbi? (It wasn’t hard to find dirt on Ames, but I don’t find guilt by association very credible.)

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  202. @Mr. Anon
    I knew someone who had several relatives who worked for the post-office in the 80s, and she said the same thing - that the Post Office was an especially unpleasant place to work and that it had lousy management-worker relations.

    Here is an article with a ton of comments from postal employees about how bad it is there. It may have been better in the 60′s or 70′s.

    http://postalemployeenetwork.com/news/2010/04/the-u-s-postal-service-is-a-toxic-work-environment/

    Here’s one comment by someone:

    I understand the workroom stress. I had a acting supervisor who was trying to get brownie points who consistently harassed me over little trivial things that I went to PAR and started talking with someone to relieve stress. So 6 years ago when the retirement bonus came I ran like hell to mental freedom

    Another:

    I’ve worked for USPS for over two years now and it’s thw wirst place I’ve ever worked for. The supervisors are like slave masters and the employees are treated simply like slaves. Since working there, my body is breaking down especially my wrists and knees. I

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    My brother was a carrier until recently. He says the difference in conditions in his job and theirs is like day and night. He blamed it on their union, but I don't think that's the reason. More likely the nature of the job.

    He used to deliver in his city's most notorious ghetto, but always felt safe. No one dared touch the mailman; he carries the welfare checks!

    , @EdwardM
    I have no sympathy for coddled, unaccountable unionized government employees.
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  203. @anon
    He did do something and killing people who personally hadn't done anything to deserve it was wrong.

    That doesn't change the fact that anyone who knows what really goes on the other side of the NYT's wall of lies, knows there's about a 95% chance his life was like a school version of Shawshank Redemption.

    “If it wont fur’em raciss Peepul my po’ boy coulda bean da’ press-a-dent..DEY TOOK MY BOYAA LIFE AWAY’FRM ME!”

    -The victim Dylan Storm Roof was known around school as an aspiring rapper and basketball player with a lot of friends…

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    I had a lot of black friends where I grew up too - got fed by their moms after school etc.

    I still got attacked 2-3 times a day by the local gangstas.

    When the last white kids are gone the gangstas pick on the black kids that act white.
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  204. @CMPX
    "but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    the guy was seriously nuts."

    Roof's choice of victims was not "nuts". He wanted to start a race war. His choice of victims was designed to provoke a tit-for-tat (or worse) response by blacks, which he hoped would radicalize whites.

    ““but why shoot nice churchgoers who welcomed him into the church?

    the guy was seriously nuts.”

    Roof’s choice of victims was not “nuts”. He wanted to start a race war. His choice of victims was designed to provoke a tit-for-tat (or worse) response by blacks, which he hoped would radicalize whites.”

    So if Dylan Roof had gunned down a bunch of Black drug dealers instead of Black church folks, you think in his mind it would not have resulted in a race war?

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  205. @Jack D
    On any given day, 30 percent of African-American males ages 20 to 29 are "under correctional supervision" - either in jail or prison or on probation or parole.

    So the idea that this is some tiny minority and that most blacks are law abiding is just plain wrong. If you assume that those under correctional supervision are concentrated in inner city areas (and that a certain percentage commit crimes but are never arrested), then probably a majority of inner city young black males are involved in criminality.

    “On any given day, 30 percent of African-American males ages 20 to 29 are “under correctional supervision” – either in jail or prison or on probation or parole.”

    Suge Knight for example is 50 years old and can qualify for AARP, yet he still behaves like a Michael Brown type yoof. There are a lot of Black males that never outgrow that thug phase. They can be middle age but still behave like yoofs.

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  206. @Jefferson
    This dead Black Homo supposedly only experienced anti-Gay discrimination from White people but never from Black people. I find it extremely hard to believe that he has never in his entire life ever been called a faggot by any of his fellow Black brothers and sisters.

    Maybe he gave his Black a race pass on their Homophobia and there for never held them to the same high moral standard that he does with evil Whitey. He expects Blacks to hate Gay guys, but he expects Whites to put Gay guys on a pedestal and when that does not always happen it made him very angry.

    Its likely he only hit on white guys. Just like how STR8 blacks have no interest in black women.

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  207. @Jim Don Bob
    Canada spent $2 billion in the 90s on a national gun registry that was budgeted at $200 million. I can't remember if it was hacked or if the info was public, but more than a few gun owners were targeted by thieves. The current administration of Stephen Harper dismantled the registry, although I am sure the RCMP has a copy somewhere. Just for backup, you know.

    Actually that was created by the same company as screwed up the obamacare site. They are the one IT company with significant numbers of non Asian minorities including one of Mooshell’s college buddies.

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  208. The same thing would happen here.

    AFAICT it has. Apparently, huge numbers of NY State gun owners are quietly refusing to register their firearms, as required by a recent law.

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  209. @WGG
    I wonder how much of this homosexual's brain was eaten away by drug use. He was a former prostitute- so he was definitely in "the scene." The gay media has tried to downplay the fact that queers use tons of drugs, but it's as true today as it was 20 years ago. The cleanest gay man I know (raised Mormon) takes 15 Z-bars a day. It's a problem.

    There are a minority of gays that don’t do drugs, but I will admit while on 13 week health care travel assignments in DC & Miami I was not able to find any in either city.

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  210. @njguy73
    I wonder if Bryce Williams' last thoughts were, "F**k Kanye, I'mma not happy for this white b*tch, and I'mma not gonna let her finish!"

    I wonder if Bryce Williams’ last thoughts were, “F**k Kanye, I’mma not happy for this white b*tch, and I’mma not gonna let her finish!”

    If you look at his tweets the cameraman who filed an HR compliant against him was his likely main target. Odds are it was a sexual harassment compliant.

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  211. @Jefferson
    "I wonder how much of this homosexual’s brain was eaten away by drug use. He was a former prostitute- so he was definitely in “the scene.” The gay media has tried to downplay the fact that queers use tons of drugs, but it’s as true today as it was 20 years ago. The cleanest gay man I know (raised Mormon) takes 15 Z-bars a day. It’s a problem."

    I only found out that Vester Lee Faggagan was a prostitute from reading Right Wing websites like American Renaissance.

    What is your theory as to why none of the cable news channels have reported on the fact that Vester Lee Faggagan was a hoe who had sex for money? Is it because he was Gay and it reinforces the stereotype that Homosexual men are over represented in the world's oldest profession known as prostitution. The Gay Mafia is hell bent on covering that up.

    It was included in his tweets. Escort=prostitute. Also he used to be a male ho but it seems he aged out of it.

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  212. @Jack D
    No, no, no. An "attempted" crime means that you intended to do something (kill someone) but did not succeed. This is the opposite.

    The highest charge they may be able to get him on is "depraved heart murder" - you don't intend to kill anyone specific but you do something incredibly reckless and dangerous such as driving into a crowd with your car. Depraved heart murder is a serious felony which can get you decades to life.

    The problem is if he was really trying to kill a seal and the bullet ricocheted, this is not a sign of a depraved heart. The best that they might be able to stick is negligent homicide, which only gets you a few years.

    Discharging a firearm in a crowd is a felony by itself. Each bullet is a separate crime if the DA wants to go that far and sentencing consecutively will make sure he never gets out.

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  213. @Jack D
    Just like the shooter on the train in France "found a gun" in the park. It's funny that I have lived for almost 6 decades and never once have I "found a gun" (and had I found one, it would never occur to me to pick it up and use it to start taking shots at sea lions, robbing a train car, etc.) Even if you accept these guys' explanations at face value (which is itself a pretty big leap of faith) then what they do next does not exonerate them (though maybe it reduces the severity of their crime). Presumably this is the point of their cock and bull stories - they realize that they are caught red handed and have zero chance of presenting themselves as innocent of any crime, but maybe they can get away with doing a few years instead of life.

    It’s funny that I have lived for almost 6 decades and never once have I “found a gun”…

    You don’t live in a country that hosted two world wars on her soil. Don’t tell me everything was picked up after that, like a Tea Party rally.

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  214. @Ttjy
    Here is an article with a ton of comments from postal employees about how bad it is there. It may have been better in the 60's or 70's.

    http://postalemployeenetwork.com/news/2010/04/the-u-s-postal-service-is-a-toxic-work-environment/

    Here's one comment by someone:

    I understand the workroom stress. I had a acting supervisor who was trying to get brownie points who consistently harassed me over little trivial things that I went to PAR and started talking with someone to relieve stress. So 6 years ago when the retirement bonus came I ran like hell to mental freedom

    Another:

    I’ve worked for USPS for over two years now and it’s thw wirst place I’ve ever worked for. The supervisors are like slave masters and the employees are treated simply like slaves. Since working there, my body is breaking down especially my wrists and knees. I

    My brother was a carrier until recently. He says the difference in conditions in his job and theirs is like day and night. He blamed it on their union, but I don’t think that’s the reason. More likely the nature of the job.

    He used to deliver in his city’s most notorious ghetto, but always felt safe. No one dared touch the mailman; he carries the welfare checks!

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  215. @Jefferson
    This dead Black Homo supposedly only experienced anti-Gay discrimination from White people but never from Black people. I find it extremely hard to believe that he has never in his entire life ever been called a faggot by any of his fellow Black brothers and sisters.

    Maybe he gave his Black a race pass on their Homophobia and there for never held them to the same high moral standard that he does with evil Whitey. He expects Blacks to hate Gay guys, but he expects Whites to put Gay guys on a pedestal and when that does not always happen it made him very angry.

    Actually, he made it quite clear that he faced ridicule from white women and black men.

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  216. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    "If it wont fur'em raciss Peepul my po' boy coulda bean da' press-a-dent..DEY TOOK MY BOYAA LIFE AWAY'FRM ME!"

    -The victim Dylan Storm Roof was known around school as an aspiring rapper and basketball player with a lot of friends...

    I had a lot of black friends where I grew up too – got fed by their moms after school etc.

    I still got attacked 2-3 times a day by the local gangstas.

    When the last white kids are gone the gangstas pick on the black kids that act white.

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  217. @skinnyhoops
    Households without guns would be a more likey target for burglary and home invasion if gun ownership were public information. A non-public gun registry affords pacifist non-gun owners a crime supressing free ride. Lawful gun owners should get a tax credit. Of course criminals and non-citizens should never be allowed to own or carry firearms.

    It’s more likely that gun owners would be targeted for an unoccupied residence burglary. Firearms are a valuable item with significant street value.

    The progressive political class is patently hostile to civilian gun ownership and will attempt to by whatever means it can to first restrict and then eliminate it. As it stands in the US the government (federal, state, or local) has to prove why you can’t own one, rather than you proving to them why you should be permitted to own one. If the later should become the case they will rapidly escalate the requirements, and eventually make it effectively impossible. See for example the legal hoop-jumping in Washington DC.

    Gun rights is one area that has resisted the progressive assault well, and I think that has a lot to do with Obama’s hostility. He got stiff-armed after Newtown, and the defeat stung on a personal level.

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  218. @Ttjy
    Here is an article with a ton of comments from postal employees about how bad it is there. It may have been better in the 60's or 70's.

    http://postalemployeenetwork.com/news/2010/04/the-u-s-postal-service-is-a-toxic-work-environment/

    Here's one comment by someone:

    I understand the workroom stress. I had a acting supervisor who was trying to get brownie points who consistently harassed me over little trivial things that I went to PAR and started talking with someone to relieve stress. So 6 years ago when the retirement bonus came I ran like hell to mental freedom

    Another:

    I’ve worked for USPS for over two years now and it’s thw wirst place I’ve ever worked for. The supervisors are like slave masters and the employees are treated simply like slaves. Since working there, my body is breaking down especially my wrists and knees. I

    I have no sympathy for coddled, unaccountable unionized government employees.

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  219. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on dolor de cabeza en el embarazo.
    Regards

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