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NYT: "The Secret of Jamaica’s Runners: It’s About Culture, Not Genetics."

From the New York Times:

The Secret of Jamaica’s Runners
By ORLANDO PATTERSON AUG. 13, 2016

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — Among the most enigmatic features of Jamaica, an island of only 2.8 million people, is its astonishing supremacy in running.

No, not in running, but in sprinting: Jamaicans are not strong beyond 400 meters and are nonexistent in the distance races. Black Africans in general tend to be efficient runners for biomechanical reasons, but muscular West Africans tend to be better at the sprints and elongated East Africans from high altitude tend to be better at the distance races. The last 64 Olympic finalists in men’s 100 meter dash going back through 1984 have had most of their ancestry tracing back to the Atlantic side of the African continent.

Currently, the world’s fastest man and woman are both Jamaicans. Nineteen of the 26 fastest times ever recorded in 100 meter races were by Jamaicans. The list goes on.

Jamaica’s global dominance is broad and deep, both male and female, and started to emerge over half a century ago. At the 1952 Olympics in Helsinki, Jamaica was ranked 13th by the International Olympic Committee. By the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, it was first in sprints, with Usain Bolt winning three gold medals, and an unprecedented clean sweep of the women’s 100 meters.

West Indians have been strong in Olympic sprinting since 1948. (Despite Patterson’s Jamaican chauvinism, there’s nothing special about Jamaica compared to the smaller English-speaking West Indian islands, which also do extremely well for their even smaller population sizes.)

What happened between 2004 and 2008 to propel the West Indians over African-Americans was that the American heroine of the 2000 Games, Marion Jones, went to prison for lying to federal agents about her PEDs use. Prison concentrates the mind wonderfully, so American performance in sprinting dipped relative to West Indian performance.

The West Indian Olympic heroes, in contrast, didn’t worry about their governments imprisoning them for doing what it takes to bring Olympic glory home to the islands.

As I wrote in VDARE back in 2008:

The Jamaicans argue that the new American drug testing and sanction system has finally leveled the playing field. Americans counter by asserting that now the Jamaicans are more doped than the Americans.

Nobody knows for sure.

From the BBC in 2013:

Jamaica doping scandals tip of iceberg, says senior drug tester

By David Bond
BBC sports editor

Jamaica’s most senior drug tester says the country’s recent rash of failed tests might be the “tip of an iceberg”.

Dr Paul Wright told the BBC that the Caribbean island’s anti-doping regime had been woefully short of the international standards required.

His comments come a week after the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) visited Jamaica to investigate claims that the country’s athletes were not being tested rigorously enough.

Patterson goes on in the NYT:

How do Jamaicans do it? It’s not because of genetics, as some claim. A vast majority of Jamaicans’ ancestors are from West Africa, which has relatively few outstanding sprinters.

West Africa is home to tons of outstanding sprinters relative to any group in the world other than the West African Diaspora. (West Africa has nature on its side in sprinting, but the West African Diaspora has nature and nurture).

The last I checked in 2012 there might have been close to an order of magnitude more West Africans who had run 100m in under ten seconds compared to maybe four nonblacks in world history: an Australian who was half Aborigine half Irish, a Frenchman, a Chinese guy, and a Pole. (Here’s the list of the fastest 100m times ever before this Olympics.)

Nor can genetics explain why Jamaicans outperform other blacks in the Americas, especially in Brazil, which has 36 times as many of them.

Some of Brazilian black ancestry traces back to East Africa (e.g., Mozambique), and relatively little traces to places like Nigeria, Ghana, and Senegal where Jamaicans and African-Americans tend to be from. East Africans are seldom outstanding sprinters but are sometimes good distance runners. In contrast, Jamaicans and African-Americans are very similar in which parts of Africa they are from, and have similar profiles in which distances they do best in.

Ask a Jamaican like me (I was born and raised there), and we’ll give you a very different answer: … Jamaica is perhaps the only country in the world where a track and field meet is the premier sporting event.

But of course the reason West Indians like sprinting so much is because they have the right nature and nurture to win at the Olympics. Jamaicans only vaguely like the 800m and 1500m and they don’t care about the longer races because they don’t have the genes to win at distance running.

Here are where the fastest Jamaican men rank in all the time lists by distance:

100m: #1 Usain Bolt

200m: #1 Usain Bolt

400m: #41 Rusheen McDonald

800m: #2887 Seymour Newman

1500m: No Jamaicans in top 7836 times ever

Notice a pattern? It’s not like the Jamaican track teams don’t want to win gold medals at longer distances, they’re just better at the sprints.

… So the real question is, why is Jamaica nuts for track?

Part of the answer is institutional. The British first introduced organized and informal athletics, and interscholastic competition, to Jamaica and other colonies in the late 19th century. One of Jamaica’s founding fathers, N. W. Manley, was the greatest student athlete of his generation; later, as the revered head of state, he tirelessly promoted track and field.

A big advantage that British West Indies countries had in the 20th Century over West Africa was that, due to the healthier climate, they kept a larger leadership caste of whites and middle class mulattos. During the opening ceremonies “Parade of Nations” you’ll notice that a striking proportion of the middle-aged sports bureaucrats representing third world countries in the West Indies and East Africa are white, even in 2016. But that’s not true of sweaty West Africa, which produces a lot of talent but not very well organized teams (as seen in soccer, where West African players make a lot of money in Europe, but West African countries haven’t progressed much in the World Cup since Cameroon’s peak a generation ago).

… These efforts succeeded because of an abundance of very healthy children and young people — the result not of Jamaica’s mountainous terrain, as some have claimed, but of the extraordinary success of a public health campaign partly spearheaded in the 1920s by specialists from the Rockefeller Foundation. …

The result was what the historical demographer James Riley calls the Jamaican paradox: one of the rare instances of a poor country with the life expectancy of an advanced society, a health transition that began in the 1920s and improved at one of the fastest paces on record, from 36 years at birth in 1920 to 70 by 1977.

Public health is a good thing.

Anyway, as we see here, explanations that integrate nature and nurture are usually better than ones that try to explain everything away by nurture.

 
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  1. Meanwhile, the 1.6 billion South Asians have won a grand total of zero medals.

    I blame culture.

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    • Replies: @Santoculto
    Olympics or sports on general are almost pure entertainment/distraction even this tend to emulate a pretty physical human past where this kinesthetic talents was indispensable.

    I blame none if some country win zero medals in any event. It's not important.

    My opinion of course.
    , @Jefferson
    "Meanwhile, the 1.6 billion South Asians have won a grand total of zero medals.

    I blame culture."

    How about Mexicans who have won a grand total of zero medals of any kind in Rio. Even Fiji has won more medals than Mexico and Fiji has a smaller population than the city of Austin. Mexico has the 11th largest population on the planet.
    , @Anonymous
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  2. By the way, doesn’t public intellectual/popular author Malcolm Gladwell have some Jamaican ancestry? Wonder what Malcolm’s fastest time was growing up at school? Could he have realistically made the national team in Track and Field events and be representing Jamaica in the 100m during the late 80′s early 90′s? One may never know but its fun to speculate on such things.

    On another note: A friend of mine works in advertising and worked with Usain Bolt in the first quarter of 2012 on his Gatorade commercial. Speaking of public health, my friend and his production crew stayed there for about three weeks in Jamaica but had to change hotels during the first week due to an outbreak of malaria in the city (Kingston). Bolt had insisted on filming his Gatorade commercial at home in Jamaica rather than in Berlin at the world track championship meets that winter. Friend mentioned that the track they filmed the ad on in Kingston was no better than a standard US high school track. So relatively speaking, at least compared to the US, Jamaica appears to be a second rate economy.

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    • Replies: @K.
    Many moons ago, Gladwell wrote a piece for The New Yorker that referenced his teenage track and field obsession.
    , @Kyle
    Second rate US highschool tracks are pretty good quality. They have vulcanized rubber.
    , @Njguy73

    By the way, doesn’t public intellectual/popular author Malcolm Gladwell have some Jamaican ancestry?
     
    "I think we assume that the talent-finding in the top occupations is pretty efficient. But what always strikes me is the amount of evidence in the opposite direction...There are huge numbers of people who clearly could play pro sports, but don’t want to...And an even greater number who could, but can’t. America has one of the highest incarceration rates in recorded history, for example...That works out to about 2 million people — the majority of whom are young men, and a disproportionate share of those young men are young black men. Surely there must be hundreds — if not thousands — of potential professional athletes in that number, not to mention scientists or entrepreneurs or poets...."

    (Interviewer comments on how Canada is very efficient in finding hockey talent)

    "Not to mention the Kenyans in distance running, and the Dutch in soccer, and the Jamaicans in sprinting. It’s the flip side of the same point. In theory, big countries should dominate all sports because they have the biggest talent pool. But they don’t, because societies squander their talent. If you are a tiny country you can hold your own against someone 10 times your size just by being slightly more efficient..."

    Malcolm Gladwell interview with Bill Simmons, June 7, 2012

    http://grantland.com/features/gladwell-vs-simmons-iv/

    , @pyrrhus
    Too much white blood....
  3. Dirk Dagger [AKA "That's Not Who We Are"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Not off topic but the real topic. Ibtihaj Muhamed wins BRONZE!

    I couldn’t help but feel proud watching the Olympics’ opening ceremony as the camera panned across Team USA and Ibtihaj’s smiling face. Pride for my country, pride for the 554 Olympians representing us and pride for the first hijabi Muslim American woman to serve on Team USA. Wearing hijab and being a visibly Muslim woman myself, it is empowering to see someone like Ibtihaj who does not let hateful, anti-Muslim rhetoric hold her back from achieving her goals. — Asha Noor

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    • Replies: @AM_2
    Drat. I was hoping she'd stay out of metal contention. At least she didn't win the gold.

    My how times, they have a changed.
    , @iSteveFan
    Here is a tweet in what appears to be our muslim fencer making fun of beheadings.

    That is pretty sick to make a joke about beheadings by your co-religionists.

    I am sure if a generic, white American did the same, the media would be all over it.

    , @EriK
    I'd be more impressed if she won a swimming medal wearing a hijab.
    , @Forbes
    A team medal not an individual medal, if that makes a difference.
  4. Paging Jayman.

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    • Replies: @AM_2
    It was all genetic destiny! (Except the part where they lived in Jamaica.) Please ignore the man behind the curtain.
  5. Steve can write his critiques of conventional sports wisdom until the cows come home but Orlando Patterson has the megaphone.

    In the end we all go down the memory hole.

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  6. @JohnnyWalker123
    Meanwhile, the 1.6 billion South Asians have won a grand total of zero medals.

    I blame culture.

    Olympics or sports on general are almost pure entertainment/distraction even this tend to emulate a pretty physical human past where this kinesthetic talents was indispensable.

    I blame none if some country win zero medals in any event. It’s not important.

    My opinion of course.

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  7. Anyway, as we see here, explanations that integrate nature and nurture are usually better than ones that try to explain everything away by nurture.

    Based on the above, is there another piece in the Sailer / Occam cutlery drawer, or arsenal?

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  8. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    only a racist would notice that west africans and east africans are a different race.

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    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    "only a racist would notice that west africans and east africans are a different race."

    You mean someone who watches a lot of races?
  9. @Dirk Dagger
    Not off topic but the real topic. Ibtihaj Muhamed wins BRONZE!

    I couldn’t help but feel proud watching the Olympics’ opening ceremony as the camera panned across Team USA and Ibtihaj’s smiling face. Pride for my country, pride for the 554 Olympians representing us and pride for the first hijabi Muslim American woman to serve on Team USA. Wearing hijab and being a visibly Muslim woman myself, it is empowering to see someone like Ibtihaj who does not let hateful, anti-Muslim rhetoric hold her back from achieving her goals. -- Asha Noor
     

    Drat. I was hoping she’d stay out of metal contention. At least she didn’t win the gold.

    My how times, they have a changed.

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    Isn’t it funny that you could go to a local animal shelter and find a least a half-dozen dogs– who haven’t been training and who have been lying around all day– who could go out and blow by Usain Bolt in the 100 yard dash first time out. Maybe even after making a quick pit stop to do some grass sniffing. A little comparison: Usain Bolt has been clocked at top speed at 23 mph. A little border collie can top 30 mph.

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    • Replies: @Kyle
    "The fastest human footspeed on record is 44.64 km/h (12.4 m/s or 27.8 mph), seen during the final 100 meters sprint of the World Championships in Berlin on 16 August 2009 by Usain Bolt "

    Animals are quick but humans have gigantic limbs, and humans are very strong.
  11. @yaqub the mad scientist
    Paging Jayman.

    It was all genetic destiny! (Except the part where they lived in Jamaica.) Please ignore the man behind the curtain.

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  12. Nurture sure as the Fritos helps … see also, Speed Skating, Netherlands and Field Hockey, Netherlands.

    In a more iSteve-ish spirit, I can’t help but think that the increased success of US Men’s Volleyball is due in no small way to tall white kids realizing they’re being selected against in basketball …

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  13. Despite Patterson’s Jamaican chauvinism, there’s nothing special about Jamaica compared to the smaller English-speaking West Indian islands, which also do extremely well for their even smaller population sizes.

    Winningest country per capita in London at the 2012 Olympics: Grenada, with Kirani James’s single gold medal in the 400 metres divided among its tiny population of just over one hundred thousand.

    http://www.medalspercapita.com/#medals-per-capita:2012

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  14. That’s odd about Brazilian blacks being of East African ancestry, considering there were Portuguese colonies in West Africa that were closer.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Good point, Mozambique and Angola now have about the same populations, and that was probably roughly the case during the slave era too. But Angola is much closer to American slave markets.

    It may be that SW and SE Africans missed out on the running evolution, and to the extent they mixed together in Brazil, and then mixed more with whites and Indians, the they fell just a little too far behind pure West and East Africans.

    Another issue for Brazil is that natural athletes with a lot of talent will be pushed to be the world's 800th best soccer player instead of 20th best runner. Soccer pays better and is more popular.
    , @Kyle
    West Africa means the panhandle, not the actual western part of the lower continent, like the Congo and below is not considered west africa.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Okay, here's a map that makes sense: http://people.uwec.edu/ivogeler/w111/slaves1.jpg

    Portugal's colonization in Africa started with slave raids in West Africa, followed by establishing bases around the continent to support its India trade.

    Steve's right that Brazil got some slaves from East Africa, but they got more from West Africa.
    , @biz
    In the earliest days of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the Europeans got their slaves from Arab raiders, who were more active in a belt stretching from Chad through Sudan, Kenya, Tanzania, and Mozambique. Only later did Europeans set up their own bases in West Africa. So the regions of the Americas where the first slaves were brought would have more East African ancestry.

    (Don't tell Farrakhan or any of Unz's local Islam apologists about the outsized role Muslims played in the African slave trade though)
  15. @Dave Pinsen
    That's odd about Brazilian blacks being of East African ancestry, considering there were Portuguese colonies in West Africa that were closer.

    Good point, Mozambique and Angola now have about the same populations, and that was probably roughly the case during the slave era too. But Angola is much closer to American slave markets.

    It may be that SW and SE Africans missed out on the running evolution, and to the extent they mixed together in Brazil, and then mixed more with whites and Indians, the they fell just a little too far behind pure West and East Africans.

    Another issue for Brazil is that natural athletes with a lot of talent will be pushed to be the world’s 800th best soccer player instead of 20th best runner. Soccer pays better and is more popular.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A black guy from Brazil held the world record in the marathon for a few years. You don't see that with people of West African descent.
    , @Jefferson
    "It may be that SW and SE Africans missed out on the running evolution, and to the extent they mixed together in Brazil, and then mixed more with whites and Indians, the they fell just a little too far behind pure West and East Africans."

    Yeah Brazil's "Blacks" are way too racially miscegenated to dominate sprinting like Jamaicans and West Africans.

    Even in Salvador which is the "Blackest" city in Brazil, the average Brazilian there who self identifies as "Black" is genetically only 49 percent Sub Saharan African, which basically makes them Mulattos. Mulattos don't dominate sprinting.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador,_Bahia#Demographics
  16. @Dirk Dagger
    Not off topic but the real topic. Ibtihaj Muhamed wins BRONZE!

    I couldn’t help but feel proud watching the Olympics’ opening ceremony as the camera panned across Team USA and Ibtihaj’s smiling face. Pride for my country, pride for the 554 Olympians representing us and pride for the first hijabi Muslim American woman to serve on Team USA. Wearing hijab and being a visibly Muslim woman myself, it is empowering to see someone like Ibtihaj who does not let hateful, anti-Muslim rhetoric hold her back from achieving her goals. -- Asha Noor
     

    Here is a tweet in what appears to be our muslim fencer making fun of beheadings.

    That is pretty sick to make a joke about beheadings by your co-religionists.

    I am sure if a generic, white American did the same, the media would be all over it.

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    • Replies: @Kyle
    I'm reminded of Austin Powers,
    "That's not a way to get 'ahead' in life."
    , @gruff
    That picture is hilarious.
    , @Big Bill
    In the photo she is celebrating Islam's "knife culture".
  17. @Dirk Dagger
    Not off topic but the real topic. Ibtihaj Muhamed wins BRONZE!

    I couldn’t help but feel proud watching the Olympics’ opening ceremony as the camera panned across Team USA and Ibtihaj’s smiling face. Pride for my country, pride for the 554 Olympians representing us and pride for the first hijabi Muslim American woman to serve on Team USA. Wearing hijab and being a visibly Muslim woman myself, it is empowering to see someone like Ibtihaj who does not let hateful, anti-Muslim rhetoric hold her back from achieving her goals. -- Asha Noor
     

    I’d be more impressed if she won a swimming medal wearing a hijab.

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  18. The secret of Jamaican runners:

    We’re good at sprinting, so we emphasize it and we promote it as a national sport.

    I mean, do the article-writers really think that if Mexico emphasized and promoted basketball, in the next 10 years they’d be a world power with only native-born Mexicans?

    Anything to cover up the obvious racial divide amongst skills.

    Assholes.

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    • Replies: @rod1963
    Of course it's always about covering up racial disparities. We cannot have whites noticing differences in the races.

    Still many do notice it anyway, but are smart enough to keep their mouths shut in polite society about it. They know what can happen to them if they blurt it out in public.

    It's worse than outing yourself as a cannibal that ate homeless people as a hobby. Really, being a white racist seems to be the worst thing in the world according to the elites. Heck even being a member of ISIS is more acceptable.

    So we're forced to engage in some sort of pathetic kabuki dance explaining away why some people are better at certain activities than others while ignoring the elephant in the room.

    Orwell would get a big kick out of it and then probably cry.

  19. @Lot
    Good point, Mozambique and Angola now have about the same populations, and that was probably roughly the case during the slave era too. But Angola is much closer to American slave markets.

    It may be that SW and SE Africans missed out on the running evolution, and to the extent they mixed together in Brazil, and then mixed more with whites and Indians, the they fell just a little too far behind pure West and East Africans.

    Another issue for Brazil is that natural athletes with a lot of talent will be pushed to be the world's 800th best soccer player instead of 20th best runner. Soccer pays better and is more popular.

    A black guy from Brazil held the world record in the marathon for a few years. You don’t see that with people of West African descent.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Is there other evidence linking him to East Africa other than the proposition that a minor portion of African slaves in Brazil came from East Africa.

    His looks?
    Did those slaves ends up in particular areas of Brazil that he is also from?
    Any genetic testing done by him?
  20. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Women’s 100m run:
    Elaine Thompson (JAM) gold,
    Tori Bowie (USA) silver,
    Shelly-Ann Fraser-Price (JAM) bronze.

    :
    Team USA’s Ryan Murphy, Cody Miller, Michael Phelps and Nathan Adrian win gold in men’s 4x100m medley relay

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Are there any other countries that win gold in track and swimming?
    , @carol
    Speaking of, I think Phelps looks and acts awfully peculiar. Esp the horsey face..is he doping? HGH?

    Not to be an unpatriotic downer but after what *I* went through with Lance Armstrong, I suspicion everyone.

  21. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    By the way, doesn't public intellectual/popular author Malcolm Gladwell have some Jamaican ancestry? Wonder what Malcolm's fastest time was growing up at school? Could he have realistically made the national team in Track and Field events and be representing Jamaica in the 100m during the late 80's early 90's? One may never know but its fun to speculate on such things.

    On another note: A friend of mine works in advertising and worked with Usain Bolt in the first quarter of 2012 on his Gatorade commercial. Speaking of public health, my friend and his production crew stayed there for about three weeks in Jamaica but had to change hotels during the first week due to an outbreak of malaria in the city (Kingston). Bolt had insisted on filming his Gatorade commercial at home in Jamaica rather than in Berlin at the world track championship meets that winter. Friend mentioned that the track they filmed the ad on in Kingston was no better than a standard US high school track. So relatively speaking, at least compared to the US, Jamaica appears to be a second rate economy.

    Many moons ago, Gladwell wrote a piece for The New Yorker that referenced his teenage track and field obsession.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Here's a new Gladwell track piece:

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/caster-semenya-and-the-logic-of-olympic-competition

  22. Haven Monahan about to step up onto dais after another lightning leg. Bronze this time. Gave it a shot.

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  23. The winner of the men’s 10,000 meters is also an interesting case of nature/nuture. He was born in Somali, raised in Britain, and did a lot of training at the University of Oregon. He probably has the genes for long distance running, but it’s doubtful he be an Olympic champion without all that state of the art training in London and Eugene, Oregon.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    The University of Alaska recruited Kenyan runners a few years back. One committed suicide, and the other one had both of his feet amputated due to frostbite: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kenyan-runner-idUSTRE7AL03R20111122
    , @Fredrik
    It's obvious both nature and nurture are needed to become an Olympic champion.

    African 100m runners or soccer players don't get the right nurture so they don't succeed the same way as Africans raised in America or Europe.
  24. “So the real question is, why is Jamaica nuts for track?”

    There are a lot of white high school students in the US who want to play positions on the football team that reward speed, but not many elite white sprinters.

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  25. @anon
    only a racist would notice that west africans and east africans are a different race.

    “only a racist would notice that west africans and east africans are a different race.”

    You mean someone who watches a lot of races?

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    You mean someone who watches a lot of races?

     



    Usain Bolt owns a disco named "Tracks and Records."
  26. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    By the way, doesn't public intellectual/popular author Malcolm Gladwell have some Jamaican ancestry? Wonder what Malcolm's fastest time was growing up at school? Could he have realistically made the national team in Track and Field events and be representing Jamaica in the 100m during the late 80's early 90's? One may never know but its fun to speculate on such things.

    On another note: A friend of mine works in advertising and worked with Usain Bolt in the first quarter of 2012 on his Gatorade commercial. Speaking of public health, my friend and his production crew stayed there for about three weeks in Jamaica but had to change hotels during the first week due to an outbreak of malaria in the city (Kingston). Bolt had insisted on filming his Gatorade commercial at home in Jamaica rather than in Berlin at the world track championship meets that winter. Friend mentioned that the track they filmed the ad on in Kingston was no better than a standard US high school track. So relatively speaking, at least compared to the US, Jamaica appears to be a second rate economy.

    Second rate US highschool tracks are pretty good quality. They have vulcanized rubber.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Uh yes. But the US eliminated malaria many moons ago. The fact that a nation like Jamaica cannot control an outbreak of malaria leaves much to be desired regarding its society.

    Second rate is still second rate and should never be sufficient for a world class track star.

    Also, Gatorade execs weren't pleased at his demands as they originally wanted to film the ad in Berlin, during the world track championship meets. Apparently Germany is considered to be a first rate economy/society/etc when compared to the likes of Jamaica.
  27. @Dave Pinsen
    That's odd about Brazilian blacks being of East African ancestry, considering there were Portuguese colonies in West Africa that were closer.

    West Africa means the panhandle, not the actual western part of the lower continent, like the Congo and below is not considered west africa.

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    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    while there is a lot of talk about Africa as a whole being the mother continent and more diversity within African than without I often have the impression that West Africa in the narrow sense, which means the coastal countries from Cameroon to Senegal, are one of the most extreme HBD outliers in the world, like Korea being the centre of the East Asian extreme, Scandinavia being another extreme. It is a historical coincidence that being "black" in most of non-african countries means being of West African ancestry.
  28. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    10,000 meters: GOLD, 27+ minutes

    Mohamed Muktar Jama “Mo” Farah CBE is a British distance runner. On the track, he mostly competes over 5000 metres and 10,000 metres, but he has run competitively from 1500 metres to the marathon. Wikipedia
    Born: March 23, 1983 (age 33), Mogadishu, Somalia
    Height: 5′ 9″
    Weight: 128 lbs

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Farah and Usain Bolt are friends and have talked about racing each other for charity, at a distance intermediate to their closest events: http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/will-usain-bolt-race-mo-farah
  29. @iSteveFan
    Here is a tweet in what appears to be our muslim fencer making fun of beheadings.

    That is pretty sick to make a joke about beheadings by your co-religionists.

    I am sure if a generic, white American did the same, the media would be all over it.

    I’m reminded of Austin Powers,
    “That’s not a way to get ‘ahead’ in life.”

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  30. @whorefinder
    The secret of Jamaican runners:

    We're good at sprinting, so we emphasize it and we promote it as a national sport.

    I mean, do the article-writers really think that if Mexico emphasized and promoted basketball, in the next 10 years they'd be a world power with only native-born Mexicans?

    Anything to cover up the obvious racial divide amongst skills.

    Assholes.

    Of course it’s always about covering up racial disparities. We cannot have whites noticing differences in the races.

    Still many do notice it anyway, but are smart enough to keep their mouths shut in polite society about it. They know what can happen to them if they blurt it out in public.

    It’s worse than outing yourself as a cannibal that ate homeless people as a hobby. Really, being a white racist seems to be the worst thing in the world according to the elites. Heck even being a member of ISIS is more acceptable.

    So we’re forced to engage in some sort of pathetic kabuki dance explaining away why some people are better at certain activities than others while ignoring the elephant in the room.

    Orwell would get a big kick out of it and then probably cry.

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  31. @Lot
    Good point, Mozambique and Angola now have about the same populations, and that was probably roughly the case during the slave era too. But Angola is much closer to American slave markets.

    It may be that SW and SE Africans missed out on the running evolution, and to the extent they mixed together in Brazil, and then mixed more with whites and Indians, the they fell just a little too far behind pure West and East Africans.

    Another issue for Brazil is that natural athletes with a lot of talent will be pushed to be the world's 800th best soccer player instead of 20th best runner. Soccer pays better and is more popular.

    “It may be that SW and SE Africans missed out on the running evolution, and to the extent they mixed together in Brazil, and then mixed more with whites and Indians, the they fell just a little too far behind pure West and East Africans.”

    Yeah Brazil’s “Blacks” are way too racially miscegenated to dominate sprinting like Jamaicans and West Africans.

    Even in Salvador which is the “Blackest” city in Brazil, the average Brazilian there who self identifies as “Black” is genetically only 49 percent Sub Saharan African, which basically makes them Mulattos. Mulattos don’t dominate sprinting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador,_Bahia#Demographics

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right, the one drop rule of the British world means that blacks tend to be pretty black by ancestry, while the color continuum of the Spanish/Portuguese world means people are more mixed.

    I looked at a lot of sprinters in the 1990s and they were very black (with the exception of Frankie Fredericks of Namibia, who looks a little like Alec Guinness). For example, Carl Lewis is pretty bourgeois in affect, but he is very black.
  32. when I saw this post the race on the tube was the 10k with the top 6 at that lap were 3 Kenyan 2 Ethiopians and mo Farrah a brit naturalized Somali yes nurture and training are very important but to mix metaphors sometimes it helps to be born on 3rd base as long as you know you didn’t hit a triple and have to strive to get home

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  33. @Anonymous
    Isn't it funny that you could go to a local animal shelter and find a least a half-dozen dogs-- who haven't been training and who have been lying around all day-- who could go out and blow by Usain Bolt in the 100 yard dash first time out. Maybe even after making a quick pit stop to do some grass sniffing. A little comparison: Usain Bolt has been clocked at top speed at 23 mph. A little border collie can top 30 mph.

    “The fastest human footspeed on record is 44.64 km/h (12.4 m/s or 27.8 mph), seen during the final 100 meters sprint of the World Championships in Berlin on 16 August 2009 by Usain Bolt ”

    Animals are quick but humans have gigantic limbs, and humans are very strong.

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  34. Its amazing that the NYT is still pushing this BS. Yeah, its all about “Culture”. That’s why 1 Billion Chinese and 1 Billion Indians and 1 billion whites can’t find a sprinter that can outrun a West African black.

    Next time you look at a running event in the Olympic finals from 1500m and under you’ll see that almost everyone looks the same – from the neck down.

    If you don’t have that build or shape, you won’t win. Its 90% genetics and 10% training.

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    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    "If you don’t have that build or shape, you won’t win. Its 90% genetics and 10% training."

    Africa is full of people with the right genetics, but only a tiny percentage of them would even be capable of getting to the first stage of the competitive path that leads to the Olympics. And they would have to spend the time and effort to train-it would be a fulltime effort for years, and it would have to start at the right age. In Africa, most would not have the ability to access that.

    Olympic-or NFL/NBA/MLB- level success-requires the right genes, the right guidance, the right training, and a lot of all three. That's why on a planet with 7 billion people, 11,559 athletes meet at the Olympics.
    , @Triumph104
    A Greek man won the 200m in 2000 ahead of the Athens games. A Chinese man won the 110m hurdles in Athens before the Beijing Games. A British woman (black) won the 400m in Beijing prior to London.

    I'm watching to see if a Japanese wins any running event in Rio before the 2020 Tokyo games.
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    You learn something new every day. From the wikipedia article Culture of Jamaica:

    “…one of the most prominent, internationally known aspects of Jamaica’s African-Caribbean culture is the Rastafari movement…

    …what distinguishes Rastafari from Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, (which also cite Abrahamic beliefs), is that Rastas believe in the divinity of the Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia.

    Hailed by Rastas as H.I.M. (His Imperial Majesty), Haile Selassie I is regarded as God himself, the true descendant of Solomon, and the earthly embodiment of Jah (God)…”

    It all makes sense now.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Selassie's visit to Jamaica in the 1960s had the same kind of effect that Golda Meir's Moscow trip had on Soviet Jews. Crowds mobbed him wherever he went.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grounation_Day

    http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Haile-Selassie-s-visit-was-a-momentous-occasion_58322
    , @Big Bill
    Why on earth would East Africans (Jamaicans) worship a West African king? Anybody know?
  36. Of course, in real life, throughout history, the ability to run fast has meant absolutely nothing, other than being able to run away from the enemy.

    Strength and endurance have decided battles and duels. Foot speed = zero.

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  37. @Jefferson
    "It may be that SW and SE Africans missed out on the running evolution, and to the extent they mixed together in Brazil, and then mixed more with whites and Indians, the they fell just a little too far behind pure West and East Africans."

    Yeah Brazil's "Blacks" are way too racially miscegenated to dominate sprinting like Jamaicans and West Africans.

    Even in Salvador which is the "Blackest" city in Brazil, the average Brazilian there who self identifies as "Black" is genetically only 49 percent Sub Saharan African, which basically makes them Mulattos. Mulattos don't dominate sprinting.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador,_Bahia#Demographics

    Right, the one drop rule of the British world means that blacks tend to be pretty black by ancestry, while the color continuum of the Spanish/Portuguese world means people are more mixed.

    I looked at a lot of sprinters in the 1990s and they were very black (with the exception of Frankie Fredericks of Namibia, who looks a little like Alec Guinness). For example, Carl Lewis is pretty bourgeois in affect, but he is very black.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Right, the one drop rule of the British world means that blacks tend to be pretty black by ancestry, while the color continuum of the Spanish/Portuguese world means people are more mixed.

    I looked at a lot of sprinters in the 1990s and they were very black (with the exception of Frankie Fredericks of Namibia, who looks a little like Alec Guinness). For example, Carl Lewis is pretty bourgeois in affect, but he is very black."

    Don't forget Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt, who is also very Black. Nobody would mistake him for a racial mutt. I doubt he has a lot of British colonial ancestry.
    http://image.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width960/img/plain-dealer/photo/2015/08/31/-fae240fe4d8624ba.JPG

    , @Fredrik
    It's worth mentioning that Frankie Fredericks isn't Black. He's Coloured which in Africa is not the same thing as Black.
    , @Triumph104
    Just casually observing the Rio Olympics I have noticed that most of the "black" British athletes are mixed-race. The two black guys on the rugby team were mixed and all of the black British gymnasts were mixed. I thought that was a little strange since half of blacks in Britain are full black (for lack of a better word).

    However, the British track team does appear to be 50/50 mixed and full black

    In the epilogue to Malcolm Gladwell's book Outlier, he discusses how his family in Jamaica was colored/mulatto and unlike the US, Jamaica had a color system similar to Latin America but with a smaller percentage of mixed-race.

    And whites saw mulattoes—the children of those relationships—as potential allies, a buffer between them and the enormous numbers of slaves on the island. Mulatto women were prized as mistresses, and their children, one shade lighter in turn, moved still further up the social and economic ladder. Mulattoes rarely worked in the fields. They lived the much easier life of working in the "house." They were the ones most likely to be freed. So many mulatto mistresses were left substantial fortunes in the wills of white property owners that the Jamaica legislature once passed a law capping bequests at two thousand pounds (which, at the time, was an enormous sum).
     
  38. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Steve,

    I don’t see mentioned in the excerpts or your connentary the following possible factors:

    1. Selection on the West African population at the source of slave trade in Africa in favor of greater muscularity (and muscularity of a particular strong-seeming aesthetic–bulgy, taught, defined–that might correlate with fast twitch muscle fibers or just sprinting aptitude)

    2. Selection again on this slave population at the depot points in the West Indies in favor of this kind of muscularity. As I understand in, slave traders sometimes passed through certain West Indies islands prior to the U.S. colonies, resulting in West Indies getting “first pick”

    3. Relatively greater admixture in the United States descendants of slaves of European genes, resulting in relatively greater composition of “slower” muscles and biomechanics–and relatively lesser composition of such in W Indies population.

    4. Possibility that PEDs act with disproportionate efficacy (similarly to what we have discussed awhile back) on the kind of muscles and biomechanics in W. Indies that might have resulted from 1-3.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    CORRECTION: "bulgy, taught, defined"

    bulging, taut, defined
    , @heretic
    If I'm not mistaken, Steve has covered this ground in some detail in "back issues", but all good points.
  39. @JohnnyWalker123
    Meanwhile, the 1.6 billion South Asians have won a grand total of zero medals.

    I blame culture.

    “Meanwhile, the 1.6 billion South Asians have won a grand total of zero medals.

    I blame culture.”

    How about Mexicans who have won a grand total of zero medals of any kind in Rio. Even Fiji has won more medals than Mexico and Fiji has a smaller population than the city of Austin. Mexico has the 11th largest population on the planet.

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    • Replies: @heretic
    As for culture, reminds me of the rather fragile national New Zealand sporting ego. Come games time, the media and public comment turn to hand-wringing over how many medals we will get, how that will stack up compared to our peers, comparisons to past performances etc. This must go on in many places to some extent, but kiwis seem to really care and to take it personally.

    There are proud comparisons to Australia on a per capita basis, smirking glances at the likes of Canada (thought to be obliged to do better based on their size and resources), and self-serving excuses for sports in which we lag. The disciplines we excel in are the only “real sports”, and everything else is just some contrived Olympic sport.

    More mature countries seem to have better things to do than worry about the size of their Olympic peen and “putting the country on the map”, or at least that’s how it seems from inside the fishbowl.

    Every generation or so a phenom comes along in some sport or another (Valerie Adams in shotput, or Danyon Loader is swimming), they are quickly lionised as national heroes, every kiwi pretends to be an aficionado, and pundits predict a rash of enrolments in local club chapters of said sport. Then it’s back to the usual programming and everyone remembers that it’s actually not very stimulating watching someone repeatedly toss a steel ball or lap a pool. Possibly a result of a narrowband MSM comprised of the two TV news channels and one newspaper that most kiwis remain glued to.
  40. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    A black guy from Brazil held the world record in the marathon for a few years. You don't see that with people of West African descent.

    Is there other evidence linking him to East Africa other than the proposition that a minor portion of African slaves in Brazil came from East Africa.

    His looks?
    Did those slaves ends up in particular areas of Brazil that he is also from?
    Any genetic testing done by him?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    He's an obscure figure:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/sports/othersports/30marathon.html

  41. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Women's 100m run:
    Elaine Thompson (JAM) gold,
    Tori Bowie (USA) silver,
    Shelly-Ann Fraser-Price (JAM) bronze.

    :
    Team USA's Ryan Murphy, Cody Miller, Michael Phelps and Nathan Adrian win gold in men's 4x100m medley relay

    Are there any other countries that win gold in track and swimming?

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    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    Dear Dave:
    Thank you for your hyperbolic comment.
    F.r.
    , @Brutusale
    The Russians, and they get extra credit for getting track & field medals with white people! Well, at least until the Americans and Canadians decided to ban them.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-rio-russia-klishina-idUSKCN10O0QV

    We really don't want people who look like her competing against our juiced-up Africans!
  42. It’s interesting that the Cubans haven’t done better at the 100m or 200m. They have West Africans + a Soviet-style elite sports system. It works for boxing but not for sprinting.

    Alberto Juanterina won 400m & 800m in Montreal and he was mixed race, and Ivan Pedroso won the long jump in Sydney, and that’s about all.

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    • Replies: @vinny
    This guy too

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Sotomayor

    "his personal best of 2.45 m (8 ft 01⁄4 in) makes him the only person ever to have cleared eight feet."

    Drugged out of his mind though.
    , @Triumph104
    Ana Fidelia Quirot was an 800m runner who won bronze in the 1992 Olympics and silver in the 1996 Olympics. I remember her from 96 because they did a story on her about how she was badly burned while cooking between the two games and made a comeback.

    I think Cubans focus more on team sports. Earlier this year members of the Cuban water polo team defected. I was curious if Cuba had a majority black team since many here don't think black people have the ability to swim. If this is the team then all but maybe one player was black. I was surprised to see how overweight and bosomy some of the women were.

    The goalie for the US women's water polo team is black.
    , @Brutusale
    They play beisbol.
  43. @JohnnyD
    The winner of the men's 10,000 meters is also an interesting case of nature/nuture. He was born in Somali, raised in Britain, and did a lot of training at the University of Oregon. He probably has the genes for long distance running, but it's doubtful he be an Olympic champion without all that state of the art training in London and Eugene, Oregon.

    The University of Alaska recruited Kenyan runners a few years back. One committed suicide, and the other one had both of his feet amputated due to frostbite: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kenyan-runner-idUSTRE7AL03R20111122

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  44. @Anonymous
    Is there other evidence linking him to East Africa other than the proposition that a minor portion of African slaves in Brazil came from East Africa.

    His looks?
    Did those slaves ends up in particular areas of Brazil that he is also from?
    Any genetic testing done by him?
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  45. The map is missing some lines going from Europe to Algeria and Ottoman Empire, and from Russia and Poland into Crimea, and lines internally within Africa.

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  46. @Dave Pinsen
    That's odd about Brazilian blacks being of East African ancestry, considering there were Portuguese colonies in West Africa that were closer.

    Okay, here’s a map that makes sense: http://people.uwec.edu/ivogeler/w111/slaves1.jpg

    Portugal’s colonization in Africa started with slave raids in West Africa, followed by establishing bases around the continent to support its India trade.

    Steve’s right that Brazil got some slaves from East Africa, but they got more from West Africa.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Portugal’s colonization in Africa started with slave raids in West Africa

    This smells like a libel to me. What do you mean by "raids"?
    , @Triumph104
    This is where we differ. I have never thought of SW Africa as West Africa, just as I don't think of Mauritania, Western Sahara, and Morocco as West Africa. In the map you linked, the light peach colored countries are basically what I think of as West Africa. I have West African ancestry but the thought of it being Angolan, Namibian, or South African never even entered my mind.
  47. @Immigrant from former USSR
    10,000 meters: GOLD, 27+ minutes

    Mohamed Muktar Jama "Mo" Farah CBE is a British distance runner. On the track, he mostly competes over 5000 metres and 10,000 metres, but he has run competitively from 1500 metres to the marathon. Wikipedia
    Born: March 23, 1983 (age 33), Mogadishu, Somalia
    Height: 5′ 9″
    Weight: 128 lbs

    Farah and Usain Bolt are friends and have talked about racing each other for charity, at a distance intermediate to their closest events: http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/will-usain-bolt-race-mo-farah

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    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    Interesting. Thank you, Dave.
    , @william munney
    When asked about Bolt's speed at longer times in sports illustrated a few weeks ago, his manager said he has never run a mile in his life.
  48. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Dave Pinsen
    Okay, here's a map that makes sense: http://people.uwec.edu/ivogeler/w111/slaves1.jpg

    Portugal's colonization in Africa started with slave raids in West Africa, followed by establishing bases around the continent to support its India trade.

    Steve's right that Brazil got some slaves from East Africa, but they got more from West Africa.

    Portugal’s colonization in Africa started with slave raids in West Africa

    This smells like a libel to me. What do you mean by “raids”?

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  49. @jimmyriddle
    It's interesting that the Cubans haven't done better at the 100m or 200m. They have West Africans + a Soviet-style elite sports system. It works for boxing but not for sprinting.

    Alberto Juanterina won 400m & 800m in Montreal and he was mixed race, and Ivan Pedroso won the long jump in Sydney, and that's about all.

    This guy too

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Sotomayor

    “his personal best of 2.45 m (8 ft 01⁄4 in) makes him the only person ever to have cleared eight feet.”

    Drugged out of his mind though.

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    @Kyle
    "The fastest human footspeed on record is 44.64 km/h (12.4 m/s or 27.8 mph), seen during the final 100 meters sprint of the World Championships in Berlin on 16 August 2009 by Usain Bolt "

    Animals are quick but humans have gigantic limbs, and humans are very strong.

    But greyhounds regularly do 40 mph

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  51. @Ozymandias
    "only a racist would notice that west africans and east africans are a different race."

    You mean someone who watches a lot of races?

    You mean someone who watches a lot of races?

    Usain Bolt owns a disco named “Tracks and Records.”

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  52. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    There has been one white guy to break the 10s time in the 100m. There has been one Asian guy (China) to break the 10s time. There are a few whites around the 10s mark and a few Asians (Japanese). Seems as if whites and Asians are comparable in speed.

    Btw, I think I might be a racist. When I see a lone white or Asian competing against all the black athletes, I want him or her to win. Do I need to see a counselor who specializes in curing racism?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Japanese usually have a guy make the 100m dash semifinals. A Japanese made the finals in LA in 1932.
  53. @Anonymous
    There has been one white guy to break the 10s time in the 100m. There has been one Asian guy (China) to break the 10s time. There are a few whites around the 10s mark and a few Asians (Japanese). Seems as if whites and Asians are comparable in speed.

    Btw, I think I might be a racist. When I see a lone white or Asian competing against all the black athletes, I want him or her to win. Do I need to see a counselor who specializes in curing racism?

    The Japanese usually have a guy make the 100m dash semifinals. A Japanese made the finals in LA in 1932.

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Japan has a 100m and a 400m runner who are both ... half Jamaican.
  54. @iSteveFan
    Here is a tweet in what appears to be our muslim fencer making fun of beheadings.

    That is pretty sick to make a joke about beheadings by your co-religionists.

    I am sure if a generic, white American did the same, the media would be all over it.

    That picture is hilarious.

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  55. @Steve Sailer
    Right, the one drop rule of the British world means that blacks tend to be pretty black by ancestry, while the color continuum of the Spanish/Portuguese world means people are more mixed.

    I looked at a lot of sprinters in the 1990s and they were very black (with the exception of Frankie Fredericks of Namibia, who looks a little like Alec Guinness). For example, Carl Lewis is pretty bourgeois in affect, but he is very black.

    “Right, the one drop rule of the British world means that blacks tend to be pretty black by ancestry, while the color continuum of the Spanish/Portuguese world means people are more mixed.

    I looked at a lot of sprinters in the 1990s and they were very black (with the exception of Frankie Fredericks of Namibia, who looks a little like Alec Guinness). For example, Carl Lewis is pretty bourgeois in affect, but he is very black.”

    Don’t forget Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt, who is also very Black. Nobody would mistake him for a racial mutt. I doubt he has a lot of British colonial ancestry.

    http://image.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width960/img/plain-dealer/photo/2015/08/31/-fae240fe4d8624ba.JPG

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  56. I’ve always thought that a big reason that West Indies blacks and American blacks are different -and that the difference favours the West Indians – is that the Brits were not as nasty to their blacks as the ( white ) Americans were .
    My experience ( admittedly limited ) is that black West Indians are considerably more pleasant people than black Americans

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    the Brits were not as nasty to their blacks as the ( white ) Americans were .

    White Americans were nasty to "their" blacks?

    If you mean slavery, blacks in the United States enjoyed enormous population increase during slavery. That's a key measure of welfare. Moreover, most black children during slavery were born to wedded couples.

    If you mean post-Civil War, isn't the overriding theme that Whites just wanted to be left alone?
    , @Former Darfur
    Blacks in America cannot blame white nastiness for their troubles, but if they do anyway, they should be offered reparations.

    Slavery was, after all, a stupid idea, especially the enslavement of, and importation of, Blacks.

    I'm sure that Dr. Martin Luther King and Dr. William Luther Pierce would have agreed on that.

    So if they are disgruntled, we should buy them out, like a union railroad employee who is particularly wanted gone by the company. The RR can pay him a sum of money he has to take to leave, in effect. This buyout-"reparations"-would be voluntary, and it would be generous, but it would be absolutely irrevocable.

    The most important an immutable takeaway is this: No reparations without separation.

  57. @Kyle
    Second rate US highschool tracks are pretty good quality. They have vulcanized rubber.

    Uh yes. But the US eliminated malaria many moons ago. The fact that a nation like Jamaica cannot control an outbreak of malaria leaves much to be desired regarding its society.

    Second rate is still second rate and should never be sufficient for a world class track star.

    Also, Gatorade execs weren’t pleased at his demands as they originally wanted to film the ad in Berlin, during the world track championship meets. Apparently Germany is considered to be a first rate economy/society/etc when compared to the likes of Jamaica.

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    @sb
    I've always thought that a big reason that West Indies blacks and American blacks are different -and that the difference favours the West Indians - is that the Brits were not as nasty to their blacks as the ( white ) Americans were .
    My experience ( admittedly limited ) is that black West Indians are considerably more pleasant people than black Americans

    the Brits were not as nasty to their blacks as the ( white ) Americans were .

    White Americans were nasty to “their” blacks?

    If you mean slavery, blacks in the United States enjoyed enormous population increase during slavery. That’s a key measure of welfare. Moreover, most black children during slavery were born to wedded couples.

    If you mean post-Civil War, isn’t the overriding theme that Whites just wanted to be left alone?

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    • Replies: @sb
    Well American blacks are wealthier - and all that goes with it - because the dominant group - American whites - have created a wealthier society .Trickle down society and all that .
    But left to their own devices I'd put my money on West Indian blacks to be superior at organising just about everything .

    I recall reading somewhere that the Brits during the War of 1812 were astounded and appalled at how blacks were treated ,disciplined and punished by Americans . Remember we're not talking about Jane Austin types here
  59. as we see here, explanations that integrate nature and nurture are usually better than ones that try to explain everything away by nurture.

    It’s funny that first world, safe, hyper organised Singapore – population 5.4 million – suffers a dearth of Olympic medals, despite a population twice that of Jamaica – population 2.7 million. Yet Singapore offers US$ 750,000 to each Olympic gold winner.

    I’m sure it’s the culture, it can’t possibly be anything else.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Singapore just got a gold medal.
    https://twitter.com/g3cafe/status/764300410400059392
  60. @sb
    I've always thought that a big reason that West Indies blacks and American blacks are different -and that the difference favours the West Indians - is that the Brits were not as nasty to their blacks as the ( white ) Americans were .
    My experience ( admittedly limited ) is that black West Indians are considerably more pleasant people than black Americans

    Blacks in America cannot blame white nastiness for their troubles, but if they do anyway, they should be offered reparations.

    Slavery was, after all, a stupid idea, especially the enslavement of, and importation of, Blacks.

    I’m sure that Dr. Martin Luther King and Dr. William Luther Pierce would have agreed on that.

    So if they are disgruntled, we should buy them out, like a union railroad employee who is particularly wanted gone by the company. The RR can pay him a sum of money he has to take to leave, in effect. This buyout-”reparations”-would be voluntary, and it would be generous, but it would be absolutely irrevocable.

    The most important an immutable takeaway is this: No reparations without separation.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    ... it would be absolutely irrevocable.
     
    That's the problem: send them away today, they are back tomorrow wanting even more; and there is a large chunk of the populace that wants to see even more invested in them in hopes of turning them into a fantasy figure.
  61. @Honesthughgrant
    Its amazing that the NYT is still pushing this BS. Yeah, its all about "Culture". That's why 1 Billion Chinese and 1 Billion Indians and 1 billion whites can't find a sprinter that can outrun a West African black.

    Next time you look at a running event in the Olympic finals from 1500m and under you'll see that almost everyone looks the same - from the neck down.

    If you don't have that build or shape, you won't win. Its 90% genetics and 10% training.

    “If you don’t have that build or shape, you won’t win. Its 90% genetics and 10% training.”

    Africa is full of people with the right genetics, but only a tiny percentage of them would even be capable of getting to the first stage of the competitive path that leads to the Olympics. And they would have to spend the time and effort to train-it would be a fulltime effort for years, and it would have to start at the right age. In Africa, most would not have the ability to access that.

    Olympic-or NFL/NBA/MLB- level success-requires the right genes, the right guidance, the right training, and a lot of all three. That’s why on a planet with 7 billion people, 11,559 athletes meet at the Olympics.

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  62. @NickG

    as we see here, explanations that integrate nature and nurture are usually better than ones that try to explain everything away by nurture.
     
    It's funny that first world, safe, hyper organised Singapore - population 5.4 million - suffers a dearth of Olympic medals, despite a population twice that of Jamaica - population 2.7 million. Yet Singapore offers US$ 750,000 to each Olympic gold winner.

    I'm sure it's the culture, it can't possibly be anything else.

    Singapore just got a gold medal.

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  63. @Kyle
    West Africa means the panhandle, not the actual western part of the lower continent, like the Congo and below is not considered west africa.

    while there is a lot of talk about Africa as a whole being the mother continent and more diversity within African than without I often have the impression that West Africa in the narrow sense, which means the coastal countries from Cameroon to Senegal, are one of the most extreme HBD outliers in the world, like Korea being the centre of the East Asian extreme, Scandinavia being another extreme. It is a historical coincidence that being “black” in most of non-african countries means being of West African ancestry.

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  64. The fifth fastest woman in the world is white tonight. That is an unusually good showing. The fastest woman’s 100 yard swimmer is an African American, also unusual. Seems like Steve speculated once on possible genetic reasons for Africans not doing well in swimming.

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    Most swimming events are 100 meters, which take as long as 400 meters to run. So the aerobic burden is well within the West African range, although the longer distances are getting out of their strong zones.
  65. it is also interesting to look at African Games. For example 2015 Cote d´Ivoire won the 100 m and 200 m run, Ethiopia the 1500-10000 m run. Interestingly the 400 m and 800 m run went to Botswana. The north African countries won the medal count for the African Games in 2015 in total, probably in part because they are a lot richer, but had no chance in running

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Morocco and Algeria have had some great 800m to 10,000m men, but I don't know if they have any genetic advantage or if they just like running the way the Belgians like biking.
    , @Triumph104
    Botswana's first female Olympian, Amantle Montsho a 400m runner, won several African champions plus gold and silver at the world championships and was fourth at the 2012 Olympics. She is currently serving a two year ban for failing a drug test.

    Botswana's second female Olympian swims for the University of Miami.
  66. @sf
    The fifth fastest woman in the world is white tonight. That is an unusually good showing. The fastest woman's 100 yard swimmer is an African American, also unusual. Seems like Steve speculated once on possible genetic reasons for Africans not doing well in swimming.

    Most swimming events are 100 meters, which take as long as 400 meters to run. So the aerobic burden is well within the West African range, although the longer distances are getting out of their strong zones.

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  67. @Erik Sieven
    it is also interesting to look at African Games. For example 2015 Cote d´Ivoire won the 100 m and 200 m run, Ethiopia the 1500-10000 m run. Interestingly the 400 m and 800 m run went to Botswana. The north African countries won the medal count for the African Games in 2015 in total, probably in part because they are a lot richer, but had no chance in running

    Morocco and Algeria have had some great 800m to 10,000m men, but I don’t know if they have any genetic advantage or if they just like running the way the Belgians like biking.

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    • Replies: @Honesthughgrant
    Being from a mountainous country in Africa seems to help produce good long-distance runners.

    CF: Ethiopia, Morocco, Algeria, Kenya.

    Not genetic but maybe living at High altitudes helps the pre-existing genetic advantage.
  68. Speaking of West African fast twitch muscle fibres. The West Indian cricket team from 1970 to 1994 produced more genuinely fast cricket bowlers than any other country. In the late 1980s they were able to field 3-4 guys who could bowl over 90 miles an hour, an unprecedented feat in cricket history. In contrast India, with a population of over a billion arguably hasn’t produced a single genuinely fast bowler.

    However, things went downhill for the West Indians in the late 1990s as talented West Indians were drawn to other sports like basketball and running.

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  69. @unpc downunder
    Speaking of West African fast twitch muscle fibres. The West Indian cricket team from 1970 to 1994 produced more genuinely fast cricket bowlers than any other country. In the late 1980s they were able to field 3-4 guys who could bowl over 90 miles an hour, an unprecedented feat in cricket history. In contrast India, with a population of over a billion arguably hasn't produced a single genuinely fast bowler.

    However, things went downhill for the West Indians in the late 1990s as talented West Indians were drawn to other sports like basketball and running.

    Has Usain Bolt ever tried bowling?

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Bolt had joked about playing for Manchester United after he retires from sprinting. But last year he said Manchester was too cold for him. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/usain-bolt-changed-mind-wanting-5150497
    , @sb
    Bolt's first sport was cricket ( as a fast bowler ) His brother ( I think) is a cricketer

    I think he has played in some celebrity cricket game(s) in India presumably for big bucks . (no doubt this makes the Indians feel better about themselves and their ,er, sporting preferences )

    West Indians are still playing cricket -they are currently World Champs at the Twenty 20 version ( male and female ) - but not so fond of the lengthy Test cricket . This has a lot to do with money and sports politics
    , @namae nanka
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9vDIXFEY5s
  70. @Steve Sailer
    Has Usain Bolt ever tried bowling?

    Bolt had joked about playing for Manchester United after he retires from sprinting. But last year he said Manchester was too cold for him. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/usain-bolt-changed-mind-wanting-5150497

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  71. Jamaica appeared in its first Olympics in 1948 and won one gold (400m) and two silvers (400m/800m).

    Singapore won a silver at its first Olympic appearance then none until 2008 and 2012 thanks to table tennis ringers from China. In Rio Joseph Schooling, a swimmer, won Singapore’s first gold medal. He went to a private sports high school in the US, The Bolles School. and swims for the University of Texas. The Singapore government awards $1M for an Olympic gold ($500K for silver and $250K for bronze). Since Schooling is not an American, the NCAA will let him keep the award money. How kind.

    Schooling had his mandatory military service differed for three years. Now Singaporeans are debating whether he should serve his two years or even just three months of basic training. Many want to let him off the hook completely. It’s surprising that no one seemed to have considered that military service may have been why they went without an Olympic medal for so long. A nurture problem.

    http://www.totalsportek.com/news/olympic-gold-medal-prize-money/

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    "It’s surprising that no one seemed to have considered that military service may have been why they went without an Olympic medal for so long. A nurture problem."

    A couple of years of mandatory military service in the prime of one's young adulthood could impact an athlete, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the primary reason they don't get many medals. If so, why aren't Singaporean women doing disproportionately better? They don't have to do National Service. A number of Olympians, like Phelps, for instance, have gone through periods where they may be out of the sport for a while in between Olympic events, and they still come back to dominate, so being out for a time may not have that big of an impact on many athletes.

    The biggest reason would have to be the small population itself, around 5 million people. They also have less resources than many other countries. They're right there on the ocean, so they do have their sailing team. They also have a lot of $$ compared to most other Asian countries, and the rumor is they use it to woo some of their Olympians from China.

    Asians in general don't get many medals per capita, in comparison to other races. The Chinese get the medals they get because they place a special emphasis on training Olympians. I doubt the Singaporeans have given it much emphasis in the grand scheme of things. They do a lot very well, but devoting the resources to training Olympians is probably a lesser priority.
    , @bomag

    Since Schooling is not an American, the NCAA will let him keep the award money. How kind.
     
    For real? What a groan-er. Let's just have our high school prospects renounce their citizenship, claim illegal alien status as a stateless person*, and let the bidding begin.

    A borderless world is a grand and lucrative thing.

    *Or buy a Jamaican et al citizenship for fifty bucks etc.

  72. @Dave Pinsen
    Okay, here's a map that makes sense: http://people.uwec.edu/ivogeler/w111/slaves1.jpg

    Portugal's colonization in Africa started with slave raids in West Africa, followed by establishing bases around the continent to support its India trade.

    Steve's right that Brazil got some slaves from East Africa, but they got more from West Africa.

    This is where we differ. I have never thought of SW Africa as West Africa, just as I don’t think of Mauritania, Western Sahara, and Morocco as West Africa. In the map you linked, the light peach colored countries are basically what I think of as West Africa. I have West African ancestry but the thought of it being Angolan, Namibian, or South African never even entered my mind.

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    The Portuguese had colonies in that part of Africa too, e.g., what's now Guinea-Bissau.

    They hit that part of Africa before the epic voyages of Da Gama that led to colonies further south in Africa.

  73. That’s all well and good.

    The true enigma is world athletics is the dominance of the small island nation of New Zealand its All Blacks in International Rugby Union.

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    NZ punches above its weight in rugby, but there are some good explanations for this:

    - rugby is the national religion from the top to the bottom of society - well-funded, large player base from grassroots up to seniors, prime ministers habitually toady up to the electorate by pressing the flesh with rugby players in the limelight
    - minimal competition for athletic/strong kids (barring rugby league)
    - hardy farming & pioneer stock, combined with robust/athletic polynesian minorities
    - very few other countries are as rugby-mad (Wales and South Africa excepted perhaps) and other countries that would likely overpower NZ if they focussed on it have other prime sports (rugby is more an "upper-class" game in Australia and the UK, Australia's talent goes into rugby league/Aussie rules, US talent goes into NFL/basketball, other than the fatties the UK talent goes into football/soccer)

    Look for South Africa to strengthen in a generation or so once they get more top-notch coloured players going (as in their sevens teams), combining the robust/tough Afrikaners with the faster and less predictable running coloureds.

    If the US gave rugby a good go they would dominate.
  74. KAPO O PANGO!

    Banned by the IRB for effectiveness.

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    Its basically just a Polynesian version of the antics we see blacks perform in sporting events here all the time. The white guys are just PC'ing along with it.
  75. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    Steve,

    I don't see mentioned in the excerpts or your connentary the following possible factors:

    1. Selection on the West African population at the source of slave trade in Africa in favor of greater muscularity (and muscularity of a particular strong-seeming aesthetic--bulgy, taught, defined--that might correlate with fast twitch muscle fibers or just sprinting aptitude)

    2. Selection again on this slave population at the depot points in the West Indies in favor of this kind of muscularity. As I understand in, slave traders sometimes passed through certain West Indies islands prior to the U.S. colonies, resulting in West Indies getting "first pick"

    3. Relatively greater admixture in the United States descendants of slaves of European genes, resulting in relatively greater composition of "slower" muscles and biomechanics--and relatively lesser composition of such in W Indies population.

    4. Possibility that PEDs act with disproportionate efficacy (similarly to what we have discussed awhile back) on the kind of muscles and biomechanics in W. Indies that might have resulted from 1-3.

    CORRECTION: “bulgy, taught, defined”

    bulging, taut, defined

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  76. @JohnnyD
    The winner of the men's 10,000 meters is also an interesting case of nature/nuture. He was born in Somali, raised in Britain, and did a lot of training at the University of Oregon. He probably has the genes for long distance running, but it's doubtful he be an Olympic champion without all that state of the art training in London and Eugene, Oregon.

    It’s obvious both nature and nurture are needed to become an Olympic champion.

    African 100m runners or soccer players don’t get the right nurture so they don’t succeed the same way as Africans raised in America or Europe.

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  77. @Triumph104
    This is where we differ. I have never thought of SW Africa as West Africa, just as I don't think of Mauritania, Western Sahara, and Morocco as West Africa. In the map you linked, the light peach colored countries are basically what I think of as West Africa. I have West African ancestry but the thought of it being Angolan, Namibian, or South African never even entered my mind.

    The Portuguese had colonies in that part of Africa too, e.g., what’s now Guinea-Bissau.

    They hit that part of Africa before the epic voyages of Da Gama that led to colonies further south in Africa.

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  78. @Steve Sailer
    Right, the one drop rule of the British world means that blacks tend to be pretty black by ancestry, while the color continuum of the Spanish/Portuguese world means people are more mixed.

    I looked at a lot of sprinters in the 1990s and they were very black (with the exception of Frankie Fredericks of Namibia, who looks a little like Alec Guinness). For example, Carl Lewis is pretty bourgeois in affect, but he is very black.

    It’s worth mentioning that Frankie Fredericks isn’t Black. He’s Coloured which in Africa is not the same thing as Black.

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  79. @Steve Sailer
    Right, the one drop rule of the British world means that blacks tend to be pretty black by ancestry, while the color continuum of the Spanish/Portuguese world means people are more mixed.

    I looked at a lot of sprinters in the 1990s and they were very black (with the exception of Frankie Fredericks of Namibia, who looks a little like Alec Guinness). For example, Carl Lewis is pretty bourgeois in affect, but he is very black.

    Just casually observing the Rio Olympics I have noticed that most of the “black” British athletes are mixed-race. The two black guys on the rugby team were mixed and all of the black British gymnasts were mixed. I thought that was a little strange since half of blacks in Britain are full black (for lack of a better word).

    However, the British track team does appear to be 50/50 mixed and full black

    In the epilogue to Malcolm Gladwell’s book Outlier, he discusses how his family in Jamaica was colored/mulatto and unlike the US, Jamaica had a color system similar to Latin America but with a smaller percentage of mixed-race.

    And whites saw mulattoes—the children of those relationships—as potential allies, a buffer between them and the enormous numbers of slaves on the island. Mulatto women were prized as mistresses, and their children, one shade lighter in turn, moved still further up the social and economic ladder. Mulattoes rarely worked in the fields. They lived the much easier life of working in the “house.” They were the ones most likely to be freed. So many mulatto mistresses were left substantial fortunes in the wills of white property owners that the Jamaica legislature once passed a law capping bequests at two thousand pounds (which, at the time, was an enormous sum).

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  80. So if only those British imperialists had encouraged chess and physics …

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    So if only those British imperialists had encouraged chess and physics …
     
    "I was as impressed as anyone that Deion Sanders could play both football and baseball at the pro level. But a lot of what made him great at football was what made him great at baseball. I would have been more impressed if his second sport was chess or, like [former NFL defensive end Trevor] Pryce, he suddenly started getting published in the New York Times. (Pryce, incidentally, has also sold two screenplays.)" -

    Malcolm Gladwell interview, see comment #94.
  81. It is interesting to recall that the first Kenyan to make a mark in running was a sprinter of Indian ( specifically Goan ) ancestry who won the 100 yds at the 1962 Commonwealth Games named Seraphino Antao )

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  82. @jimmyriddle
    It's interesting that the Cubans haven't done better at the 100m or 200m. They have West Africans + a Soviet-style elite sports system. It works for boxing but not for sprinting.

    Alberto Juanterina won 400m & 800m in Montreal and he was mixed race, and Ivan Pedroso won the long jump in Sydney, and that's about all.

    Ana Fidelia Quirot was an 800m runner who won bronze in the 1992 Olympics and silver in the 1996 Olympics. I remember her from 96 because they did a story on her about how she was badly burned while cooking between the two games and made a comeback.

    I think Cubans focus more on team sports. Earlier this year members of the Cuban water polo team defected. I was curious if Cuba had a majority black team since many here don’t think black people have the ability to swim. If this is the team then all but maybe one player was black. I was surprised to see how overweight and bosomy some of the women were.

    The goalie for the US women’s water polo team is black.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Whites are a small minority in Cuba today. Even smaller among young people.
  83. @Anonymous
    the Brits were not as nasty to their blacks as the ( white ) Americans were .

    White Americans were nasty to "their" blacks?

    If you mean slavery, blacks in the United States enjoyed enormous population increase during slavery. That's a key measure of welfare. Moreover, most black children during slavery were born to wedded couples.

    If you mean post-Civil War, isn't the overriding theme that Whites just wanted to be left alone?

    Well American blacks are wealthier – and all that goes with it – because the dominant group – American whites – have created a wealthier society .Trickle down society and all that .
    But left to their own devices I’d put my money on West Indian blacks to be superior at organising just about everything .

    I recall reading somewhere that the Brits during the War of 1812 were astounded and appalled at how blacks were treated ,disciplined and punished by Americans . Remember we’re not talking about Jane Austin types here

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I recall reading somewhere that the Brits during the War of 1812 were astounded and appalled at how blacks were treated ,disciplined and punished by Americans . Remember we’re not talking about Jane Austin types here

    That's a very thin read upon which you have crept in here and indicted an entire people.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Left to their own devices" uh, yeah. You do know that Haiti is part of the Caribbean? And that Haiti was the first black nation to abolish slavery? How's that been working out? Left to themselves, what kind of society has Haiti created?

    Also in point of fact, most Caribbean/West Indian nations are, at best, second rate economies. At worst, they are fourth rate hell holes. Keep in mind that for the most part, African-American's average IQ which hovers around 85, is the highest of all African blacks worldwide.

    What tends to get lost in all the historical revisionism about how organized Caribbean blacks are is that for the most part, the white colonial ruling classes didn't abdicate total governing authority until fairly recently (in some cases only about 50 yrs ago). And some of these West Indians still belong to the Commonwealth of Nations so they could always call Westminster/Paris/Amsterdam/etc if things got out of hand.
  84. @Steve Sailer
    The Japanese usually have a guy make the 100m dash semifinals. A Japanese made the finals in LA in 1932.

    Japan has a 100m and a 400m runner who are both … half Jamaican.

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  85. @Steve Sailer
    Has Usain Bolt ever tried bowling?

    Bolt’s first sport was cricket ( as a fast bowler ) His brother ( I think) is a cricketer

    I think he has played in some celebrity cricket game(s) in India presumably for big bucks . (no doubt this makes the Indians feel better about themselves and their ,er, sporting preferences )

    West Indians are still playing cricket -they are currently World Champs at the Twenty 20 version ( male and female ) – but not so fond of the lengthy Test cricket . This has a lot to do with money and sports politics

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    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    West Indian cricket is a shadow of its former self. These days the good athletes go to US colleges and try and get into the NBA etc

    Their fast bowlers were utterly dominant from the early 70s to 90s. But they have the physique for sprinting - Michael Holding was a world class 400m runner.

    The formidable Wayne Daniels played for Middlesex in the 80s. He could have walked into any other test team, but he only played a handful of games for the West Indies. Their strength in depth was incredible.

    It's down to money. The career earnings of Brian Lara, who was one of the greatest ever batsmen, pale into insignificance compared to those of his fellow Trinidadian, Dwight Yorke, a good, but not outstanding, striker for Manchester United.
  86. @Erik Sieven
    it is also interesting to look at African Games. For example 2015 Cote d´Ivoire won the 100 m and 200 m run, Ethiopia the 1500-10000 m run. Interestingly the 400 m and 800 m run went to Botswana. The north African countries won the medal count for the African Games in 2015 in total, probably in part because they are a lot richer, but had no chance in running

    Botswana’s first female Olympian, Amantle Montsho a 400m runner, won several African champions plus gold and silver at the world championships and was fourth at the 2012 Olympics. She is currently serving a two year ban for failing a drug test.

    Botswana’s second female Olympian swims for the University of Miami.

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  87. @anonymous
    You learn something new every day. From the wikipedia article Culture of Jamaica:


    "...one of the most prominent, internationally known aspects of Jamaica's African-Caribbean culture is the Rastafari movement...

    ...what distinguishes Rastafari from Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, (which also cite Abrahamic beliefs), is that Rastas believe in the divinity of the Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia.

    Hailed by Rastas as H.I.M. (His Imperial Majesty), Haile Selassie I is regarded as God himself, the true descendant of Solomon, and the earthly embodiment of Jah (God)..."

     

    It all makes sense now.

    Selassie’s visit to Jamaica in the 1960s had the same kind of effect that Golda Meir’s Moscow trip had on Soviet Jews. Crowds mobbed him wherever he went.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grounation_Day

    http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Haile-Selassie-s-visit-was-a-momentous-occasion_58322

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    The poor Emperor Ras Tafari was horrified by the Rastafarians who came to greet him at the Kingston airport.
  88. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Dave Pinsen
    Are there any other countries that win gold in track and swimming?

    Dear Dave:
    Thank you for your hyperbolic comment.
    F.r.

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  89. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Dave Pinsen
    Farah and Usain Bolt are friends and have talked about racing each other for charity, at a distance intermediate to their closest events: http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/will-usain-bolt-race-mo-farah

    Interesting. Thank you, Dave.

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  90. @Anonymous Nephew
    Selassie's visit to Jamaica in the 1960s had the same kind of effect that Golda Meir's Moscow trip had on Soviet Jews. Crowds mobbed him wherever he went.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grounation_Day

    http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Haile-Selassie-s-visit-was-a-momentous-occasion_58322

    The poor Emperor Ras Tafari was horrified by the Rastafarians who came to greet him at the Kingston airport.

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    Maybe, but I bet 'dem king man felt mighty blessed by de herb here, mon.
  91. @Dave Pinsen
    Farah and Usain Bolt are friends and have talked about racing each other for charity, at a distance intermediate to their closest events: http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/will-usain-bolt-race-mo-farah

    When asked about Bolt’s speed at longer times in sports illustrated a few weeks ago, his manager said he has never run a mile in his life.

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  92. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Alec Leamas
    KAPO O PANGO!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGazxnFhPH4

    Banned by the IRB for effectiveness.

    Its basically just a Polynesian version of the antics we see blacks perform in sporting events here all the time. The white guys are just PC’ing along with it.

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    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    No, it's a formalized Maori war dance laying down the challenge to the opposing teams with a long cultural history. FWIW, I believe most if not all international teams representing New Zealand do a version of the Haka, including the "tall blacks" (NZ Basketball) and the "ice blacks" (hockey) but the Haka before Rugby matches is the most impressive due to the size and build of the players. The Kapo O Pango was and alternate to the usual KA MATE.

    Other Polynesian teams have their own very similar war dances that they display before rugby matches - the Sipi Tau (Tonga) and Siva Tau (Samoa).
  93. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    The poor Emperor Ras Tafari was horrified by the Rastafarians who came to greet him at the Kingston airport.

    Maybe, but I bet ‘dem king man felt mighty blessed by de herb here, mon.

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  94. @Honesthughgrant
    Of course, in real life, throughout history, the ability to run fast has meant absolutely nothing, other than being able to run away from the enemy.

    Strength and endurance have decided battles and duels. Foot speed = zero.

    Smarts and speed and you get to breed.

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    @Triumph104
    Jamaica appeared in its first Olympics in 1948 and won one gold (400m) and two silvers (400m/800m).

    Singapore won a silver at its first Olympic appearance then none until 2008 and 2012 thanks to table tennis ringers from China. In Rio Joseph Schooling, a swimmer, won Singapore's first gold medal. He went to a private sports high school in the US, The Bolles School. and swims for the University of Texas. The Singapore government awards $1M for an Olympic gold ($500K for silver and $250K for bronze). Since Schooling is not an American, the NCAA will let him keep the award money. How kind.

    Schooling had his mandatory military service differed for three years. Now Singaporeans are debating whether he should serve his two years or even just three months of basic training. Many want to let him off the hook completely. It's surprising that no one seemed to have considered that military service may have been why they went without an Olympic medal for so long. A nurture problem.


    http://www.totalsportek.com/news/olympic-gold-medal-prize-money/

    “It’s surprising that no one seemed to have considered that military service may have been why they went without an Olympic medal for so long. A nurture problem.”

    A couple of years of mandatory military service in the prime of one’s young adulthood could impact an athlete, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s the primary reason they don’t get many medals. If so, why aren’t Singaporean women doing disproportionately better? They don’t have to do National Service. A number of Olympians, like Phelps, for instance, have gone through periods where they may be out of the sport for a while in between Olympic events, and they still come back to dominate, so being out for a time may not have that big of an impact on many athletes.

    The biggest reason would have to be the small population itself, around 5 million people. They also have less resources than many other countries. They’re right there on the ocean, so they do have their sailing team. They also have a lot of $$ compared to most other Asian countries, and the rumor is they use it to woo some of their Olympians from China.

    Asians in general don’t get many medals per capita, in comparison to other races. The Chinese get the medals they get because they place a special emphasis on training Olympians. I doubt the Singaporeans have given it much emphasis in the grand scheme of things. They do a lot very well, but devoting the resources to training Olympians is probably a lesser priority.

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    If so, why aren’t Singaporean women doing disproportionately better? They don’t have to do National Service.
     
    Because no one is encouraging women in Singapore to become athletes. In the US women are constantly bombarded with messages that they should be doing what men are doing plus the US government facilitates women's participation with Title IX and affirmative action.

    Michael Phelps is one of the greatest athletes of all times, not an example for what everyone else can do. Joseph Schooling could be like most athletes with just a small window of opportunity to succeed at the elite level. The Mormon Church is very adamant about young men spending two years as missionaries but almost no famous Mormon athlete has been a missionary because the church knows that a public figure is able to publicize the faith more than any missionary could.


    They also have a lot of $$ compared to most other Asian countries, and the rumor is they use it to woo some of their Olympians from China.
     
    Ironically the male athletes that they woo from China become citizens but don't have to perform National Service. It would be ironic if another country convinced Schooling to change his citizenship over this issue.
  96. @Former Darfur
    Blacks in America cannot blame white nastiness for their troubles, but if they do anyway, they should be offered reparations.

    Slavery was, after all, a stupid idea, especially the enslavement of, and importation of, Blacks.

    I'm sure that Dr. Martin Luther King and Dr. William Luther Pierce would have agreed on that.

    So if they are disgruntled, we should buy them out, like a union railroad employee who is particularly wanted gone by the company. The RR can pay him a sum of money he has to take to leave, in effect. This buyout-"reparations"-would be voluntary, and it would be generous, but it would be absolutely irrevocable.

    The most important an immutable takeaway is this: No reparations without separation.

    … it would be absolutely irrevocable.

    That’s the problem: send them away today, they are back tomorrow wanting even more; and there is a large chunk of the populace that wants to see even more invested in them in hopes of turning them into a fantasy figure.

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  97. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    By the way, doesn't public intellectual/popular author Malcolm Gladwell have some Jamaican ancestry? Wonder what Malcolm's fastest time was growing up at school? Could he have realistically made the national team in Track and Field events and be representing Jamaica in the 100m during the late 80's early 90's? One may never know but its fun to speculate on such things.

    On another note: A friend of mine works in advertising and worked with Usain Bolt in the first quarter of 2012 on his Gatorade commercial. Speaking of public health, my friend and his production crew stayed there for about three weeks in Jamaica but had to change hotels during the first week due to an outbreak of malaria in the city (Kingston). Bolt had insisted on filming his Gatorade commercial at home in Jamaica rather than in Berlin at the world track championship meets that winter. Friend mentioned that the track they filmed the ad on in Kingston was no better than a standard US high school track. So relatively speaking, at least compared to the US, Jamaica appears to be a second rate economy.

    By the way, doesn’t public intellectual/popular author Malcolm Gladwell have some Jamaican ancestry?

    “I think we assume that the talent-finding in the top occupations is pretty efficient. But what always strikes me is the amount of evidence in the opposite direction…There are huge numbers of people who clearly could play pro sports, but don’t want to…And an even greater number who could, but can’t. America has one of the highest incarceration rates in recorded history, for example…That works out to about 2 million people — the majority of whom are young men, and a disproportionate share of those young men are young black men. Surely there must be hundreds — if not thousands — of potential professional athletes in that number, not to mention scientists or entrepreneurs or poets….”

    (Interviewer comments on how Canada is very efficient in finding hockey talent)

    “Not to mention the Kenyans in distance running, and the Dutch in soccer, and the Jamaicans in sprinting. It’s the flip side of the same point. In theory, big countries should dominate all sports because they have the biggest talent pool. But they don’t, because societies squander their talent. If you are a tiny country you can hold your own against someone 10 times your size just by being slightly more efficient…”

    Malcolm Gladwell interview with Bill Simmons, June 7, 2012

    http://grantland.com/features/gladwell-vs-simmons-iv/

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  98. @iSteveFan
    Here is a tweet in what appears to be our muslim fencer making fun of beheadings.

    That is pretty sick to make a joke about beheadings by your co-religionists.

    I am sure if a generic, white American did the same, the media would be all over it.

    In the photo she is celebrating Islam’s “knife culture”.

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  99. @anonymous
    You learn something new every day. From the wikipedia article Culture of Jamaica:


    "...one of the most prominent, internationally known aspects of Jamaica's African-Caribbean culture is the Rastafari movement...

    ...what distinguishes Rastafari from Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, (which also cite Abrahamic beliefs), is that Rastas believe in the divinity of the Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia.

    Hailed by Rastas as H.I.M. (His Imperial Majesty), Haile Selassie I is regarded as God himself, the true descendant of Solomon, and the earthly embodiment of Jah (God)..."

     

    It all makes sense now.

    Why on earth would East Africans (Jamaicans) worship a West African king? Anybody know?

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    Why on earth would East Africans (Jamaicans) worship a West African king? Anybody know?
     
    I think you mean why would West Africans worship an East African king.

    The reason is black logic. Black logic makes no sense and has no basis in reality. Blogger Linh Dinh interviewed a white Detroit public schoool teacher who dealt with black logic on a daily basis.

    You know who wins an argument in the hood? The one who shouts the loudest the longest. It’s pointless to argue with someone who doesn’t know anything. You can give them all the facts and reasons, but you’re not going to change their way of thinking. It’s like trying to have a debate with this seat.

    You have to understand that Egypt and Ethiopia are in the Bible. If you are a powerless low-level displaced African and you read in the white man's bible that there were kingdoms and prophets and chosen people in Africa, you are going to make that part of your past, present, and future. I suppose they just figured that after biblical times Egyptians and Ethiopians moved across the continent. It makes sense since the white man had no trouble going from Europe to Africa to take slaves to the Americas.

    But those were uneducated Jamaicans, today there are highly educated blacks taking Swahili names or encouraging people to learn the Swahili language even though they obviously know that they have no connection to East Africa. Black logic.

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/obscured-american-hank-the-small-business-financial-advisor/
  100. @Anonymous Nephew
    So if only those British imperialists had encouraged chess and physics ...

    So if only those British imperialists had encouraged chess and physics …

    “I was as impressed as anyone that Deion Sanders could play both football and baseball at the pro level. But a lot of what made him great at football was what made him great at baseball. I would have been more impressed if his second sport was chess or, like [former NFL defensive end Trevor] Pryce, he suddenly started getting published in the New York Times. (Pryce, incidentally, has also sold two screenplays.)” -

    Malcolm Gladwell interview, see comment #94.

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  101. A few years ago a black American track coach announced his effort to disprove the “nature” people by locating and training a white man as a world class sprinter.

    Don’t know what became of his efforts but as a follower of sports headlines I don’t notice any Great White Hope breaking sprint records.

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  102. On the other hand Prince Philip seems to be amused that he is worshiped by the Kastom people on the Vanuatu island of Tanna. Princess Anne has even visited Tanna.

    Coincidentally, I saw Princess Anne at the rugby medal ceremony in Rio. It was a commonwealth sweep: Fiji, Great Britain, and South Africa. Fiji won its first ever Olympic medal, gold, because the Olympics reinstated a sport that the Fijians excelled at. (The same can be done for India). After they won, the Fijians gathered in a circle to sing a spiritual and pray. During the ceremony the Fijians knelt on both knees three times, once to receive their gold medal, once to receive the Rio gift, and once to have Princess Anne touch them. The Brits and the South Africans stood the whole time and simply shook hands with officials, including Princess Anne’s.

    I recommend the documentary The Queen’s Mother-in-Law. It explains why Prince Philip is the way he is.

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  103. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @sb
    Well American blacks are wealthier - and all that goes with it - because the dominant group - American whites - have created a wealthier society .Trickle down society and all that .
    But left to their own devices I'd put my money on West Indian blacks to be superior at organising just about everything .

    I recall reading somewhere that the Brits during the War of 1812 were astounded and appalled at how blacks were treated ,disciplined and punished by Americans . Remember we're not talking about Jane Austin types here

    I recall reading somewhere that the Brits during the War of 1812 were astounded and appalled at how blacks were treated ,disciplined and punished by Americans . Remember we’re not talking about Jane Austin types here

    That’s a very thin read upon which you have crept in here and indicted an entire people.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, Interesting considering how the British "pressed" free men into naval service, where they received subsistence food and were regularly beaten or whipped and hanged for the slightest of offenses and these were British subjects.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    Two of Austen's brothers served in the Navy, both ending as admirals. But there's not a lot of stuff about the hardships of the lower classes in Austen.
  104. @Dave Pinsen
    That's odd about Brazilian blacks being of East African ancestry, considering there were Portuguese colonies in West Africa that were closer.

    In the earliest days of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the Europeans got their slaves from Arab raiders, who were more active in a belt stretching from Chad through Sudan, Kenya, Tanzania, and Mozambique. Only later did Europeans set up their own bases in West Africa. So the regions of the Americas where the first slaves were brought would have more East African ancestry.

    (Don’t tell Farrakhan or any of Unz’s local Islam apologists about the outsized role Muslims played in the African slave trade though)

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  105. @Honesthughgrant
    Its amazing that the NYT is still pushing this BS. Yeah, its all about "Culture". That's why 1 Billion Chinese and 1 Billion Indians and 1 billion whites can't find a sprinter that can outrun a West African black.

    Next time you look at a running event in the Olympic finals from 1500m and under you'll see that almost everyone looks the same - from the neck down.

    If you don't have that build or shape, you won't win. Its 90% genetics and 10% training.

    A Greek man won the 200m in 2000 ahead of the Athens games. A Chinese man won the 110m hurdles in Athens before the Beijing Games. A British woman (black) won the 400m in Beijing prior to London.

    I’m watching to see if a Japanese wins any running event in Rio before the 2020 Tokyo games.

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  106. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Women's 100m run:
    Elaine Thompson (JAM) gold,
    Tori Bowie (USA) silver,
    Shelly-Ann Fraser-Price (JAM) bronze.

    :
    Team USA's Ryan Murphy, Cody Miller, Michael Phelps and Nathan Adrian win gold in men's 4x100m medley relay

    Speaking of, I think Phelps looks and acts awfully peculiar. Esp the horsey face..is he doping? HGH?

    Not to be an unpatriotic downer but after what *I* went through with Lance Armstrong, I suspicion everyone.

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  107. @Dave Pinsen
    Are there any other countries that win gold in track and swimming?

    The Russians, and they get extra credit for getting track & field medals with white people! Well, at least until the Americans and Canadians decided to ban them.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-rio-russia-klishina-idUSKCN10O0QV

    We really don’t want people who look like her competing against our juiced-up Africans!

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  108. @Triumph104
    Jamaica appeared in its first Olympics in 1948 and won one gold (400m) and two silvers (400m/800m).

    Singapore won a silver at its first Olympic appearance then none until 2008 and 2012 thanks to table tennis ringers from China. In Rio Joseph Schooling, a swimmer, won Singapore's first gold medal. He went to a private sports high school in the US, The Bolles School. and swims for the University of Texas. The Singapore government awards $1M for an Olympic gold ($500K for silver and $250K for bronze). Since Schooling is not an American, the NCAA will let him keep the award money. How kind.

    Schooling had his mandatory military service differed for three years. Now Singaporeans are debating whether he should serve his two years or even just three months of basic training. Many want to let him off the hook completely. It's surprising that no one seemed to have considered that military service may have been why they went without an Olympic medal for so long. A nurture problem.


    http://www.totalsportek.com/news/olympic-gold-medal-prize-money/

    Since Schooling is not an American, the NCAA will let him keep the award money. How kind.

    For real? What a groan-er. Let’s just have our high school prospects renounce their citizenship, claim illegal alien status as a stateless person*, and let the bidding begin.

    A borderless world is a grand and lucrative thing.

    *Or buy a Jamaican et al citizenship for fifty bucks etc.

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  109. @jimmyriddle
    It's interesting that the Cubans haven't done better at the 100m or 200m. They have West Africans + a Soviet-style elite sports system. It works for boxing but not for sprinting.

    Alberto Juanterina won 400m & 800m in Montreal and he was mixed race, and Ivan Pedroso won the long jump in Sydney, and that's about all.

    They play beisbol.

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  110. @Dirk Dagger
    Not off topic but the real topic. Ibtihaj Muhamed wins BRONZE!

    I couldn’t help but feel proud watching the Olympics’ opening ceremony as the camera panned across Team USA and Ibtihaj’s smiling face. Pride for my country, pride for the 554 Olympians representing us and pride for the first hijabi Muslim American woman to serve on Team USA. Wearing hijab and being a visibly Muslim woman myself, it is empowering to see someone like Ibtihaj who does not let hateful, anti-Muslim rhetoric hold her back from achieving her goals. -- Asha Noor
     

    A team medal not an individual medal, if that makes a difference.

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  111. @sb
    Well American blacks are wealthier - and all that goes with it - because the dominant group - American whites - have created a wealthier society .Trickle down society and all that .
    But left to their own devices I'd put my money on West Indian blacks to be superior at organising just about everything .

    I recall reading somewhere that the Brits during the War of 1812 were astounded and appalled at how blacks were treated ,disciplined and punished by Americans . Remember we're not talking about Jane Austin types here

    “Left to their own devices” uh, yeah. You do know that Haiti is part of the Caribbean? And that Haiti was the first black nation to abolish slavery? How’s that been working out? Left to themselves, what kind of society has Haiti created?

    Also in point of fact, most Caribbean/West Indian nations are, at best, second rate economies. At worst, they are fourth rate hell holes. Keep in mind that for the most part, African-American’s average IQ which hovers around 85, is the highest of all African blacks worldwide.

    What tends to get lost in all the historical revisionism about how organized Caribbean blacks are is that for the most part, the white colonial ruling classes didn’t abdicate total governing authority until fairly recently (in some cases only about 50 yrs ago). And some of these West Indians still belong to the Commonwealth of Nations so they could always call Westminster/Paris/Amsterdam/etc if things got out of hand.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Jamaica's prime minister during the 1980s was a conservative white record producer. Before that was a leftist guy who was very white, but maybe not completely.

    Jamaica has a lot of problems, but politically it enjoyed a pretty smooth transition to self-rule via these kind of intermediate figures. A lot of African countries had more abrupt transitions.

    The more successful African countries like Kenya and Botswana kept a few white and mixed guys around for awhile in the government. Some of it was political, some of it climate: the Kenya Highlands are a nice place for whites to live. The lowlands of West Africa are not.

    , @sb
    Seems like I've touched a raw nerve here

    Look I actually do subscribe more or less to the general HBD line here but my observations simply come from my experiences -many decades ago I travelled ( on a small budget where one does live close to the street ) around the US and had the common foreigner's experience of being treated better by blacks when they realised that you weren't American .
    I also backpacked around the Caribbean . Many places were scary but most people were pleasant . The West Indies seemed more of a tea and cricket society rather than a crack and basketball one .

    Incidentally I'd say apartheid is the way to go
  112. I attended an all-black (best I remember) all-city jr high school track meet in Oakland, California recently. As they wanted everyone to get a chance to participate, they held as many heats of each event as necessary. There were at least ten heats of the 50 and the 100, but from there it tapered rapidly. The longest event was the 800, and there was only one heat.

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  113. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    By the way, doesn't public intellectual/popular author Malcolm Gladwell have some Jamaican ancestry? Wonder what Malcolm's fastest time was growing up at school? Could he have realistically made the national team in Track and Field events and be representing Jamaica in the 100m during the late 80's early 90's? One may never know but its fun to speculate on such things.

    On another note: A friend of mine works in advertising and worked with Usain Bolt in the first quarter of 2012 on his Gatorade commercial. Speaking of public health, my friend and his production crew stayed there for about three weeks in Jamaica but had to change hotels during the first week due to an outbreak of malaria in the city (Kingston). Bolt had insisted on filming his Gatorade commercial at home in Jamaica rather than in Berlin at the world track championship meets that winter. Friend mentioned that the track they filmed the ad on in Kingston was no better than a standard US high school track. So relatively speaking, at least compared to the US, Jamaica appears to be a second rate economy.

    Too much white blood….

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  114. asserting that now the Jamaicans are more doped than the Americans.

    Ganja’s a PED?

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  115. @Triumph104
    Ana Fidelia Quirot was an 800m runner who won bronze in the 1992 Olympics and silver in the 1996 Olympics. I remember her from 96 because they did a story on her about how she was badly burned while cooking between the two games and made a comeback.

    I think Cubans focus more on team sports. Earlier this year members of the Cuban water polo team defected. I was curious if Cuba had a majority black team since many here don't think black people have the ability to swim. If this is the team then all but maybe one player was black. I was surprised to see how overweight and bosomy some of the women were.

    The goalie for the US women's water polo team is black.

    Whites are a small minority in Cuba today. Even smaller among young people.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grounation_Day

    “…the Jamaican authorities were asked to ensure that Rastafari representatives were present at all state functions attended by His Majesty, and Rastafari elders, including Planno and probably Joseph Hibbert, also obtained a private audience with the Emperor, where he reportedly told them that they should not immigrate to Ethiopia until they had first liberated the people of Jamaica. This dictum came to be known as “liberation before repatriation”. At a dinner held at the King’s House, Rastas claimed that acting Jamaican Prime Minister Donald Sangster had stamped his foot at Lulu, Haile Selassie’s pet chihuahua, who, they swore, had responded with the roar of a lion.

    …Defying expectations of the Jamaican authorities, Selassie never rebuked the Rastafari for their belief in him as the Messiah. Instead, he presented the movement’s faithful elders with gold medallions bearing the Ethiopian seal – the only recipients of such an honour on this visit. …”

    “Told them that they should not immigrate”? The Emperor may have been an astute politician.

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  117. @Steve Sailer
    Morocco and Algeria have had some great 800m to 10,000m men, but I don't know if they have any genetic advantage or if they just like running the way the Belgians like biking.

    Being from a mountainous country in Africa seems to help produce good long-distance runners.

    CF: Ethiopia, Morocco, Algeria, Kenya.

    Not genetic but maybe living at High altitudes helps the pre-existing genetic advantage.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Watching the women's marathon today - top 4 runners were either Kenyan or Ethiopian. Which makes me wonder - why don't Bolivia, Ecuador and Peru produce top long distance athletes, given that their people must have lungs adapted to high altitudes?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Honest, living miles away from a UN aid station , were your family obtains their beans and rice, and dodging carnivores helps to make one a good long distance runner. Europeans are a bus or subway ride away from a store, no need to run except to catch a bus.
  118. @sb
    Bolt's first sport was cricket ( as a fast bowler ) His brother ( I think) is a cricketer

    I think he has played in some celebrity cricket game(s) in India presumably for big bucks . (no doubt this makes the Indians feel better about themselves and their ,er, sporting preferences )

    West Indians are still playing cricket -they are currently World Champs at the Twenty 20 version ( male and female ) - but not so fond of the lengthy Test cricket . This has a lot to do with money and sports politics

    West Indian cricket is a shadow of its former self. These days the good athletes go to US colleges and try and get into the NBA etc

    Their fast bowlers were utterly dominant from the early 70s to 90s. But they have the physique for sprinting – Michael Holding was a world class 400m runner.

    The formidable Wayne Daniels played for Middlesex in the 80s. He could have walked into any other test team, but he only played a handful of games for the West Indies. Their strength in depth was incredible.

    It’s down to money. The career earnings of Brian Lara, who was one of the greatest ever batsmen, pale into insignificance compared to those of his fellow Trinidadian, Dwight Yorke, a good, but not outstanding, striker for Manchester United.

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  119. Michael Carter, 1984 Olympic Shot Put silver medalist and NFL nose tackle:

    http://www.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/san-francisco-49ers-michael-carter-10-topps-1989-nfl-american-football-trading-card-37485-p.jpg

    His daughter Michelle, 2016 Olympic Women’s shot put gold medalist:

    http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/08/13/ap_16226090631754_custom-40a61c15881ce6475d98a499bdf35b933dd6e847-s900-c85.jpg

    I’m sure Michelle’s shot put ability came from there being a bunch of heavy balls lying around the house when she was growing up. It has nothing to do with any genetic inheritance from her dad!

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Michelle Carter, daughter of the NFL's Michael Carter, came from behind to win the ladies' shotput over Valerie Adams, sister of the NBA's 7' Steven Adams.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Adams

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Brutus, Michelle Carter looks like she could play football at DII or DIII, yikes!
  120. @Brutusale
    Michael Carter, 1984 Olympic Shot Put silver medalist and NFL nose tackle:

    http://www.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/san-francisco-49ers-michael-carter-10-topps-1989-nfl-american-football-trading-card-37485-p.jpg

    His daughter Michelle, 2016 Olympic Women's shot put gold medalist:

    http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/08/13/ap_16226090631754_custom-40a61c15881ce6475d98a499bdf35b933dd6e847-s900-c85.jpg

    I'm sure Michelle's shot put ability came from there being a bunch of heavy balls lying around the house when she was growing up. It has nothing to do with any genetic inheritance from her dad!

    Michelle Carter, daughter of the NFL’s Michael Carter, came from behind to win the ladies’ shotput over Valerie Adams, sister of the NBA’s 7′ Steven Adams.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Adams

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    A German discus thrower won gold in Rio. His brother won the discus gold in 2012. In the few sports that I have watched, I have seen several siblings at the Olympics. There were three pairs of sisters in the gymnastic competition. The Campbell sisters in swimming. The women's marathon had a set of twins from South Korea and triplets from Estonia. Men and women's rugby had 7 pairs of siblings.
    , @Brutusale
    I just looked at Valerie Adams Wiki. 6'4", 260 lbs.! I'M freakin' afraid of her!

    http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Olympics+Day+10+Athletics+XLvvFfWVKcLl.jpg
  121. Cultural /social milieu tends to dictate behaviours over time so it is plain to see that suggestiing M Gladwell may have been able to achieve the running skill due to his having Jamaican ancestry is utterly absurd! What about access to education or lack thereof, motivation to study or not, or, in the case of Jamaican “sprinters’, a lack of other resources forcing them to concentrate on some level and degree of sportive motivation and continue in said condition.
    I would venture to say that this is the mindset of all such athletes seeking greatness in their life and working to achieve that skill level.

    Edward Seaga, another Jamaican (Syrio-Lebanese origin) and others like him are no more lesser sports motivated but having access, opportunity and the supportive skills to achieve that education status thus enhancing the greater society, hopefully to widen such access to all.

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    Cultural /social milieu tends to dictate behaviours over time so it is plain to see that suggestiing M Gladwell may have been able to achieve the running skill due to his having Jamaican ancestry is utterly absurd!
     
    Malcolm Gladwell wasn't a sprinter. He ran 1500m. He got his skill from his white English father who also ran in high school.

    The Lebanese are known for their business acumen. Mentioning a Jamaican Lebanese known for his business acumen doesn't prove whatever point you are trying to make. I looked the guy up thinking you were trying to say that he was a white sprinter.
  122. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Left to their own devices" uh, yeah. You do know that Haiti is part of the Caribbean? And that Haiti was the first black nation to abolish slavery? How's that been working out? Left to themselves, what kind of society has Haiti created?

    Also in point of fact, most Caribbean/West Indian nations are, at best, second rate economies. At worst, they are fourth rate hell holes. Keep in mind that for the most part, African-American's average IQ which hovers around 85, is the highest of all African blacks worldwide.

    What tends to get lost in all the historical revisionism about how organized Caribbean blacks are is that for the most part, the white colonial ruling classes didn't abdicate total governing authority until fairly recently (in some cases only about 50 yrs ago). And some of these West Indians still belong to the Commonwealth of Nations so they could always call Westminster/Paris/Amsterdam/etc if things got out of hand.

    Jamaica’s prime minister during the 1980s was a conservative white record producer. Before that was a leftist guy who was very white, but maybe not completely.

    Jamaica has a lot of problems, but politically it enjoyed a pretty smooth transition to self-rule via these kind of intermediate figures. A lot of African countries had more abrupt transitions.

    The more successful African countries like Kenya and Botswana kept a few white and mixed guys around for awhile in the government. Some of it was political, some of it climate: the Kenya Highlands are a nice place for whites to live. The lowlands of West Africa are not.

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  123. @Honesthughgrant
    Being from a mountainous country in Africa seems to help produce good long-distance runners.

    CF: Ethiopia, Morocco, Algeria, Kenya.

    Not genetic but maybe living at High altitudes helps the pre-existing genetic advantage.

    Watching the women’s marathon today – top 4 runners were either Kenyan or Ethiopian. Which makes me wonder – why don’t Bolivia, Ecuador and Peru produce top long distance athletes, given that their people must have lungs adapted to high altitudes?

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    There's a tribe in the mountains of Mexico that runs super long distance, but they are slow and they drink heavily.
  124. How much of Olympic level performance is due to doping? No doubt these athletes are gifted, and would probably be the best if there were no PEDs, but how many champions are truly natural?

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  125. @Anonymous Nephew
    Watching the women's marathon today - top 4 runners were either Kenyan or Ethiopian. Which makes me wonder - why don't Bolivia, Ecuador and Peru produce top long distance athletes, given that their people must have lungs adapted to high altitudes?

    There’s a tribe in the mountains of Mexico that runs super long distance, but they are slow and they drink heavily.

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  126. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Meanwhile, the 1.6 billion South Asians have won a grand total of zero medals.

    I blame culture.

    You’re one of those whites “seething with hatred” for Mexicans that so much disquiet Fred Reed.

    I caught you ;)

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  127. @Steve Sailer
    Michelle Carter, daughter of the NFL's Michael Carter, came from behind to win the ladies' shotput over Valerie Adams, sister of the NBA's 7' Steven Adams.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Adams

    A German discus thrower won gold in Rio. His brother won the discus gold in 2012. In the few sports that I have watched, I have seen several siblings at the Olympics. There were three pairs of sisters in the gymnastic competition. The Campbell sisters in swimming. The women’s marathon had a set of twins from South Korea and triplets from Estonia. Men and women’s rugby had 7 pairs of siblings.

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  128. @jack shindo
    Cultural /social milieu tends to dictate behaviours over time so it is plain to see that suggestiing M Gladwell may have been able to achieve the running skill due to his having Jamaican ancestry is utterly absurd! What about access to education or lack thereof, motivation to study or not, or, in the case of Jamaican "sprinters', a lack of other resources forcing them to concentrate on some level and degree of sportive motivation and continue in said condition.
    I would venture to say that this is the mindset of all such athletes seeking greatness in their life and working to achieve that skill level.

    Edward Seaga, another Jamaican (Syrio-Lebanese origin) and others like him are no more lesser sports motivated but having access, opportunity and the supportive skills to achieve that education status thus enhancing the greater society, hopefully to widen such access to all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN_zDgVzyqo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojb9ZHPkqCM

    Cultural /social milieu tends to dictate behaviours over time so it is plain to see that suggestiing M Gladwell may have been able to achieve the running skill due to his having Jamaican ancestry is utterly absurd!

    Malcolm Gladwell wasn’t a sprinter. He ran 1500m. He got his skill from his white English father who also ran in high school.

    The Lebanese are known for their business acumen. Mentioning a Jamaican Lebanese known for his business acumen doesn’t prove whatever point you are trying to make. I looked the guy up thinking you were trying to say that he was a white sprinter.

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  129. @Anonymous
    I recall reading somewhere that the Brits during the War of 1812 were astounded and appalled at how blacks were treated ,disciplined and punished by Americans . Remember we’re not talking about Jane Austin types here

    That's a very thin read upon which you have crept in here and indicted an entire people.

    Anonymous, Interesting considering how the British “pressed” free men into naval service, where they received subsistence food and were regularly beaten or whipped and hanged for the slightest of offenses and these were British subjects.

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  130. @Honesthughgrant
    Being from a mountainous country in Africa seems to help produce good long-distance runners.

    CF: Ethiopia, Morocco, Algeria, Kenya.

    Not genetic but maybe living at High altitudes helps the pre-existing genetic advantage.

    Honest, living miles away from a UN aid station , were your family obtains their beans and rice, and dodging carnivores helps to make one a good long distance runner. Europeans are a bus or subway ride away from a store, no need to run except to catch a bus.

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  131. @Brutusale
    Michael Carter, 1984 Olympic Shot Put silver medalist and NFL nose tackle:

    http://www.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/san-francisco-49ers-michael-carter-10-topps-1989-nfl-american-football-trading-card-37485-p.jpg

    His daughter Michelle, 2016 Olympic Women's shot put gold medalist:

    http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/08/13/ap_16226090631754_custom-40a61c15881ce6475d98a499bdf35b933dd6e847-s900-c85.jpg

    I'm sure Michelle's shot put ability came from there being a bunch of heavy balls lying around the house when she was growing up. It has nothing to do with any genetic inheritance from her dad!

    Brutus, Michelle Carter looks like she could play football at DII or DIII, yikes!

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    Yeah, well, Michelle my Belle is all of 5'9" and carries 300 pounds. Her dad wasn't a tall guy either; 6'2" is relatively short for an NFL lineman.
  132. @Steve Sailer
    Michelle Carter, daughter of the NFL's Michael Carter, came from behind to win the ladies' shotput over Valerie Adams, sister of the NBA's 7' Steven Adams.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Adams

    I just looked at Valerie Adams Wiki. 6’4″, 260 lbs.! I’M freakin’ afraid of her!

    http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Olympics+Day+10+Athletics+XLvvFfWVKcLl.jpg

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  133. @Buffalo Joe
    Brutus, Michelle Carter looks like she could play football at DII or DIII, yikes!

    Yeah, well, Michelle my Belle is all of 5’9″ and carries 300 pounds. Her dad wasn’t a tall guy either; 6’2″ is relatively short for an NFL lineman.

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  134. @Anonymous
    "It’s surprising that no one seemed to have considered that military service may have been why they went without an Olympic medal for so long. A nurture problem."

    A couple of years of mandatory military service in the prime of one's young adulthood could impact an athlete, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the primary reason they don't get many medals. If so, why aren't Singaporean women doing disproportionately better? They don't have to do National Service. A number of Olympians, like Phelps, for instance, have gone through periods where they may be out of the sport for a while in between Olympic events, and they still come back to dominate, so being out for a time may not have that big of an impact on many athletes.

    The biggest reason would have to be the small population itself, around 5 million people. They also have less resources than many other countries. They're right there on the ocean, so they do have their sailing team. They also have a lot of $$ compared to most other Asian countries, and the rumor is they use it to woo some of their Olympians from China.

    Asians in general don't get many medals per capita, in comparison to other races. The Chinese get the medals they get because they place a special emphasis on training Olympians. I doubt the Singaporeans have given it much emphasis in the grand scheme of things. They do a lot very well, but devoting the resources to training Olympians is probably a lesser priority.

    If so, why aren’t Singaporean women doing disproportionately better? They don’t have to do National Service.

    Because no one is encouraging women in Singapore to become athletes. In the US women are constantly bombarded with messages that they should be doing what men are doing plus the US government facilitates women’s participation with Title IX and affirmative action.

    Michael Phelps is one of the greatest athletes of all times, not an example for what everyone else can do. Joseph Schooling could be like most athletes with just a small window of opportunity to succeed at the elite level. The Mormon Church is very adamant about young men spending two years as missionaries but almost no famous Mormon athlete has been a missionary because the church knows that a public figure is able to publicize the faith more than any missionary could.

    They also have a lot of $$ compared to most other Asian countries, and the rumor is they use it to woo some of their Olympians from China.

    Ironically the male athletes that they woo from China become citizens but don’t have to perform National Service. It would be ironic if another country convinced Schooling to change his citizenship over this issue.

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  135. @Anonymous
    Steve,

    I don't see mentioned in the excerpts or your connentary the following possible factors:

    1. Selection on the West African population at the source of slave trade in Africa in favor of greater muscularity (and muscularity of a particular strong-seeming aesthetic--bulgy, taught, defined--that might correlate with fast twitch muscle fibers or just sprinting aptitude)

    2. Selection again on this slave population at the depot points in the West Indies in favor of this kind of muscularity. As I understand in, slave traders sometimes passed through certain West Indies islands prior to the U.S. colonies, resulting in West Indies getting "first pick"

    3. Relatively greater admixture in the United States descendants of slaves of European genes, resulting in relatively greater composition of "slower" muscles and biomechanics--and relatively lesser composition of such in W Indies population.

    4. Possibility that PEDs act with disproportionate efficacy (similarly to what we have discussed awhile back) on the kind of muscles and biomechanics in W. Indies that might have resulted from 1-3.

    If I’m not mistaken, Steve has covered this ground in some detail in “back issues”, but all good points.

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  136. @Alec Leamas
    That's all well and good.

    The true enigma is world athletics is the dominance of the small island nation of New Zealand its All Blacks in International Rugby Union.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT2USLzLenU

    NZ punches above its weight in rugby, but there are some good explanations for this:

    - rugby is the national religion from the top to the bottom of society – well-funded, large player base from grassroots up to seniors, prime ministers habitually toady up to the electorate by pressing the flesh with rugby players in the limelight
    - minimal competition for athletic/strong kids (barring rugby league)
    - hardy farming & pioneer stock, combined with robust/athletic polynesian minorities
    - very few other countries are as rugby-mad (Wales and South Africa excepted perhaps) and other countries that would likely overpower NZ if they focussed on it have other prime sports (rugby is more an “upper-class” game in Australia and the UK, Australia’s talent goes into rugby league/Aussie rules, US talent goes into NFL/basketball, other than the fatties the UK talent goes into football/soccer)

    Look for South Africa to strengthen in a generation or so once they get more top-notch coloured players going (as in their sevens teams), combining the robust/tough Afrikaners with the faster and less predictable running coloureds.

    If the US gave rugby a good go they would dominate.

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    That's what too many Americans refuse to understand. They're too used to American domination at the sports they care about. For an American club to beat the All Blacks would be analogous to some Kiwi baseball club team coming here and beating Yankees.

    Heart and talent aren't enough. Organization and money are needed at all levels to succeed.
  137. @Big Bill
    Why on earth would East Africans (Jamaicans) worship a West African king? Anybody know?

    Why on earth would East Africans (Jamaicans) worship a West African king? Anybody know?

    I think you mean why would West Africans worship an East African king.

    The reason is black logic. Black logic makes no sense and has no basis in reality. Blogger Linh Dinh interviewed a white Detroit public schoool teacher who dealt with black logic on a daily basis.

    You know who wins an argument in the hood? The one who shouts the loudest the longest. It’s pointless to argue with someone who doesn’t know anything. You can give them all the facts and reasons, but you’re not going to change their way of thinking. It’s like trying to have a debate with this seat.

    You have to understand that Egypt and Ethiopia are in the Bible. If you are a powerless low-level displaced African and you read in the white man’s bible that there were kingdoms and prophets and chosen people in Africa, you are going to make that part of your past, present, and future. I suppose they just figured that after biblical times Egyptians and Ethiopians moved across the continent. It makes sense since the white man had no trouble going from Europe to Africa to take slaves to the Americas.

    But those were uneducated Jamaicans, today there are highly educated blacks taking Swahili names or encouraging people to learn the Swahili language even though they obviously know that they have no connection to East Africa. Black logic.

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/obscured-american-hank-the-small-business-financial-advisor/

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  138. @Jefferson
    "Meanwhile, the 1.6 billion South Asians have won a grand total of zero medals.

    I blame culture."

    How about Mexicans who have won a grand total of zero medals of any kind in Rio. Even Fiji has won more medals than Mexico and Fiji has a smaller population than the city of Austin. Mexico has the 11th largest population on the planet.

    As for culture, reminds me of the rather fragile national New Zealand sporting ego. Come games time, the media and public comment turn to hand-wringing over how many medals we will get, how that will stack up compared to our peers, comparisons to past performances etc. This must go on in many places to some extent, but kiwis seem to really care and to take it personally.

    There are proud comparisons to Australia on a per capita basis, smirking glances at the likes of Canada (thought to be obliged to do better based on their size and resources), and self-serving excuses for sports in which we lag. The disciplines we excel in are the only “real sports”, and everything else is just some contrived Olympic sport.

    More mature countries seem to have better things to do than worry about the size of their Olympic peen and “putting the country on the map”, or at least that’s how it seems from inside the fishbowl.

    Every generation or so a phenom comes along in some sport or another (Valerie Adams in shotput, or Danyon Loader is swimming), they are quickly lionised as national heroes, every kiwi pretends to be an aficionado, and pundits predict a rash of enrolments in local club chapters of said sport. Then it’s back to the usual programming and everyone remembers that it’s actually not very stimulating watching someone repeatedly toss a steel ball or lap a pool. Possibly a result of a narrowband MSM comprised of the two TV news channels and one newspaper that most kiwis remain glued to.

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  139. @Anonymous
    Its basically just a Polynesian version of the antics we see blacks perform in sporting events here all the time. The white guys are just PC'ing along with it.

    No, it’s a formalized Maori war dance laying down the challenge to the opposing teams with a long cultural history. FWIW, I believe most if not all international teams representing New Zealand do a version of the Haka, including the “tall blacks” (NZ Basketball) and the “ice blacks” (hockey) but the Haka before Rugby matches is the most impressive due to the size and build of the players. The Kapo O Pango was and alternate to the usual KA MATE.

    Other Polynesian teams have their own very similar war dances that they display before rugby matches – the Sipi Tau (Tonga) and Siva Tau (Samoa).

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    “The Rastafarians’ flawed African ‘promised land’”, Chris Summers, BBC News, 12 September 2014:

    “Forty years ago Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia was overthrown. It was a blow for all Rastafarians, who revere him as a god…

    …In 1948 Emperor Haile Selassie gave 500 acres (200 hectares) of land at Shashamene, 150 miles (225km) south of Addis Ababa, to black people from the West who had supported him in his struggles with Mussolini’s Italy. …

    The first settlers to arrive were African-American Jews, but they soon moved on to Liberia or Israel. After them, in 1963, came a dozen Rastafarians…

    …the numbers swelled after Selassie made an emotional visit to Jamaica three years later. …

    …The Rastafarians’ adoration of Selassie stems from the words of black consciousness leader Marcus Garvey, who said in 1920, “Look to Africa, when a black king shall be crowned, for the day of deliverance is at hand”. When Selassie was crowned emperor, 10 years later, many thought Garvey’s words had come true. …

    …In 1974, the communist Dergue regime overthrew and imprisoned Selassie…

    …It is also unfortunate that the land granted by Selassie is located in a region populated by the Oromo people, who say they have been oppressed for years by Ethiopia’s dominant Amhara commnity, to which Selassie belonged…

    …Marcus Garvey is regarded as a prophet.”

    It probably helps that Ethiopia (1) is one of the few old black nation-scale countries (old enough to be mentioned in the bible); (2) is the only black country that never was colonized or ruled by a colonial power, although the British captured the place once (1868 Expedition to Abyssinia; “…victorious in every battle with the troops of Tewdros, captured the Ethiopian capital and rescued all the hostages. Harold G. Marcus described the action as “one of the most expensive affairs of honour in history.”); and (3) decisively defeated a European colonial power (Italy).

    Black Ethiopia is famous for the humiliating and total defeat it dealt out to Italians intent on colonial conquest, the First Italo-Ethiopian War:

    “…the Italian army, invading Ethiopia from Italian Eritrea in 1893… Ethiopia was supported by the United Kingdom, France, and Russia with military advisers, army training, and the sale of weapons for Ethiopian forces during the war in order to prevent Italy from becoming a colonial competitor. …

    …Italian defeat came about after the Battle of Adwa, where the Ethiopian army dealt the heavily outnumbered Italians a decisive loss and forced their retreat…

    …This was not the first African victory over Western colonizers, but it was the first time such a military put a definitive stop to a colonizing nation’s efforts. According to one historian, “In an age of relentless European expansion, Ethiopia alone had successfully defended its independence”…”

    A good bit of Mussolini’s popularity was he went back 40 years later and this time the Italians won (Second_Italo-Abyssinian_War. But within a couple of years the (mostly) British in WWII, including lots of South Africans sweeping north up the east-africa coast, took over the place during the East African Campaign that kicked out the Italians.

    Someone old enough to have listened to the radio during the Italian invasion of Ethiopia before WWII once described to me one member of the Italian air force, one of Mussolini’s sons, I think it was, describing how the bombs on Ethiopian villages “blossomed like flower petals”.

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  141. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Left to their own devices" uh, yeah. You do know that Haiti is part of the Caribbean? And that Haiti was the first black nation to abolish slavery? How's that been working out? Left to themselves, what kind of society has Haiti created?

    Also in point of fact, most Caribbean/West Indian nations are, at best, second rate economies. At worst, they are fourth rate hell holes. Keep in mind that for the most part, African-American's average IQ which hovers around 85, is the highest of all African blacks worldwide.

    What tends to get lost in all the historical revisionism about how organized Caribbean blacks are is that for the most part, the white colonial ruling classes didn't abdicate total governing authority until fairly recently (in some cases only about 50 yrs ago). And some of these West Indians still belong to the Commonwealth of Nations so they could always call Westminster/Paris/Amsterdam/etc if things got out of hand.

    Seems like I’ve touched a raw nerve here

    Look I actually do subscribe more or less to the general HBD line here but my observations simply come from my experiences -many decades ago I travelled ( on a small budget where one does live close to the street ) around the US and had the common foreigner’s experience of being treated better by blacks when they realised that you weren’t American .
    I also backpacked around the Caribbean . Many places were scary but most people were pleasant . The West Indies seemed more of a tea and cricket society rather than a crack and basketball one .

    Incidentally I’d say apartheid is the way to go

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    The current situation regarding genetics is exactly the same as Galileo vs the Church with the media playing the part of the Church.

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  143. @Anonymous
    I recall reading somewhere that the Brits during the War of 1812 were astounded and appalled at how blacks were treated ,disciplined and punished by Americans . Remember we’re not talking about Jane Austin types here

    That's a very thin read upon which you have crept in here and indicted an entire people.

    Two of Austen’s brothers served in the Navy, both ending as admirals. But there’s not a lot of stuff about the hardships of the lower classes in Austen.

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  144. @heretic
    NZ punches above its weight in rugby, but there are some good explanations for this:

    - rugby is the national religion from the top to the bottom of society - well-funded, large player base from grassroots up to seniors, prime ministers habitually toady up to the electorate by pressing the flesh with rugby players in the limelight
    - minimal competition for athletic/strong kids (barring rugby league)
    - hardy farming & pioneer stock, combined with robust/athletic polynesian minorities
    - very few other countries are as rugby-mad (Wales and South Africa excepted perhaps) and other countries that would likely overpower NZ if they focussed on it have other prime sports (rugby is more an "upper-class" game in Australia and the UK, Australia's talent goes into rugby league/Aussie rules, US talent goes into NFL/basketball, other than the fatties the UK talent goes into football/soccer)

    Look for South Africa to strengthen in a generation or so once they get more top-notch coloured players going (as in their sevens teams), combining the robust/tough Afrikaners with the faster and less predictable running coloureds.

    If the US gave rugby a good go they would dominate.

    That’s what too many Americans refuse to understand. They’re too used to American domination at the sports they care about. For an American club to beat the All Blacks would be analogous to some Kiwi baseball club team coming here and beating Yankees.

    Heart and talent aren’t enough. Organization and money are needed at all levels to succeed.

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  145. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    But there’s not a lot of stuff about the hardships of the lower classes in Austen.

    Though I’ve never read Austen, there were some mighty big cockroaches in that Mansfield Park movie I sat through:

    “…the marriages of three sisters… The third sister, Mrs. Price, married a naval lieutenant who was shortly afterwards wounded in battle and left with a meager pension, scarcely enough to support their eventual household of nine children. …

    …At Portsmouth, she develops a firm bond with her younger sister Susan, but is taken aback by the contrast between her dissolute surroundings — noise, chaos, unpalatable food, crude conversation, and filth everywhere — and the harmonious environment at Mansfield…”

    Haven’t I heard it said that one of Austen’s secrets is she never wrote about situations with which she wasn’t familiar?

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