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From the New York Times:

The Rising Racial Liberalism of Democratic Voters

By Sean McElwee
Mr. McElwee is a co-founder of Data for Progress.

May 23, 2018

In response to both the election of Barack Obama in 2008 and the backlash in favor of Donald Trump in 2016, analysts and commentators have focused mostly on racial attitudes on the right. …

But few have investigated the countervailing trend on the left, the increasing racial liberalism of Democratic voters, which I’ve been thinking about for a while.

But of course Trump voters control the commanding heights of American discourse, such as, uh, Breitbart and certain sub-Reddits, along with a thinktank in the Inland Empire. So it’s only natural that all attention has been focused upon Trump voters as the Prime Movers.

Though Mr. Obama’s presidency ended up being defined in many ways by America’s reaction to his race, he carefully avoided racially liberal appeals during his original campaign, even taking the time to criticize the purported excesses of campus liberalism. Mr. Obama had begun his national political career with a speech at the Democratic convention in 2004, declaring that “there’s not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there’s the United States of America.” During his 2008 campaign, to give just one example, he turned down an invitation to Tavis Smiley’s State of the Black Union, an event Hillary Clinton attended.

During her 2016 campaign, Mrs. Clinton invoked concepts like intersectionality, white privilege, implicit bias and systemic racism.

E.g., Hillary’s initial response to the BLM terrorist massacre of Dallas cops was to lecture whites on “implicit bias.”

She warned of “deplorables…”

My impression at the time was that current ideological extremism of Democrats on identity politics emerged during Obama’s get-out-the-vote drive in 2012. After all, as the Democrats try to assemble a Coalition of the Marginalized, how do you possibly keep it all together except by demonizing non-immigrant cishet white males to give all your supporters somebody in common to hate?

Since then, Democrats have carried on by turning on each other — targeting Silicon Valley, Hollywood, universities, etc. — since there is not all that much left too loot from Red State America.

This shift in political rhetoric has coincided with an underappreciated trend: the rapid increase in the racial liberalism of Democrats, including white Democrats, which I analyzed in a recent report by my think thank, Data for Progress. The General Social Survey asks a question about the causes of racial inequality and allows respondents to select whether they think various factors contribute to inequality. Two possible answers are “discrimination” and “willpower,” which are the two variables I explore here (respondents could select both if they chose). The first roughly measures whether respondents take a structural view of racial inequality and the second whether they take a more individualistic view of racial inequality.

Screenshot 2018-05-23 14.26.31

Sure looks like it wasn’t Democrats belatedly responding to Trump’s election, it was more like Democrats following their leadership into their post-Ferguson extremism.

As the first chart shows, white Democrats have become much less likely to endorse individualistic explanations of racial inequality and more supportive of structural explanations of racial inequality. In 2016, for the first time since the question was asked, a majority of white Democrats agreed that discrimination held black people back.

A similar trend can be seen in Pew data: In 2014, 41 percent of Democrats agreed that racial discrimination was the main reason black people couldn’t get ahead, a number that rose to 64 percent in 2017. … In 1994, 65 percent of Democrats supported decreased immigration (67 percent of white Democrats), a share that fell to 29 percent in 2016 (30 percent of white Democrats).

We’re witnessing a historically unprecedented shift left in opinions about race among Democratic voters. But is this the result of a change of heart or a sorting process in which racial conservatives leave the Democratic Party and racial liberals leave the Republican Party?

To study this, I used the Voter Study Group, a panel survey that re-interviewed individuals in 2016 who had previously been interviewed in 2011. By examining only individuals who identify as Democrats in both the baseline survey and the 2016 survey, I can weed out the possibility that the shift I’m measuring is due only to attrition. And indeed, on every question in the racial resentment battery, white Democrats were more likely to take the liberal position in 2016 than they were in 2011, often startlingly so. …

America’s big social problem is that there is too much hate in the hearts of white people, especially too much hate in the hearts of white liberals toward other whites.

 
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  1. Well…if you consider genetics to be structural…then yeah.

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  2. Ivy says:

    Steve,
    How many readers do you have now on the staff at NYT, whether for oppo research, guilty pleasure or reading for a friend? Their mere mention of the GSS brought up visions of secret Unz, Audacious Epigone and other blog readers.

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  3. The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

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    • Agree: res
    • Replies: @Anon
    I agree there's a huge % of fashion-forward, bandwagon whitelibs, but that doesn't explain much about where the worldview comes from. It just means that being an up-to-date woke whatever still plays well on a cool medium like TV, as we already knew
    , @PiltdownMan
    That’s because they’re not views. They’re feelings.
    , @Daniel H
    In the late 1960s, early 1970s it was at least as likely that Democrats opposed liberalizing abortion as Republicans did. In certain areas it was significantly more likely that Democrats opposed such. By the year 2000 one could compile a long list of Democrats who were against abortion before they were for it: Kennedy, Gephardt, Dodd, Cuomo, Jesse Jackson, and many more.
    , @Travis
    millions of white Boomer democrats have died since 2010 as millions of millennials became adults and democrats during the same time period...thus the democrats from 2011 are not exactly the same as the white democrats today. Every year over 2 million white Americans turn 21 and 2 million whites die each year....thus the 50 million white democrats today includes 10 million millennials who were too young to vote for Obama and we are missing another 10 million democrats who have passed away since 2009
    , @Harry Baldwin
    This is true and it provides an interesting insight into the left. It's all about unanimity of opinion and they rigorously police any deviation from the party line. I see a lot more tolerance of differences of opinion among right-wingers.
    , @Prof. Woland
    The short answer is fear. I have lived in the Bay Area for most of my life. Outside of my professional cohort, most people I know or are related to are liberals. The overwhelming majority of them are so worried about being out grouped by their peers that they would rather poke their eyes out with a hot needle than talk about race. And the further up the tree they are, the more they have to lose. It is like talking to a wall.
    , @Jack D
    This is a natural feature of Leftism. The structure of Leftism is such that it is necessary for followers to follow the Party Line. This is because Leftism is full of inherent contradictions and it is impossible for a follower to reach a correct answer on his or xer own based upon first principles. The only way to get the "right" answer is to receive guidance from the top.

    In the late '30s, the Party Line was first that Hitler was a threat, then after the Hitler-Stalin Pact, Hitler was fine - we should focus on destroying capitalism and then after the Germans attacked the USSR, that Hitler was awful again. The Party's positions on other matters could likewise shift on a dime. You had to read the Daily Worker (the equivalent of the NY Times today) in order to know what the Party Line was that week and woe betide any reactionary who was not up on the current Party Line.

    One of the reasons why Hillary Clinton lost credibility with the left wing of the Democrat Party was that she was somewhat anchored to Bill Clinton's past (and now considered reactionary) policies. Bill himself, in his heyday, was nimble and lovable enough that he could change course and be forgiven but the plodding Hillary always made her policy shifts seem insincere and calculated (which they were, but in a natural politician like Bill you saw only graceful motion and not the gears clanking and grinding away).
    , @Mr. Anon

    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.
     
    Good point. They seem remarkably facile when it comes to changing their views, even in the face of simple empirical facts.

    Dudes who say they're chicks are chicks now? Okie-dokie! Women are absolutely no different than men? Sure! We've always believed that!
    , @AnotherDad

    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.
     
    Chrisnonymous nails it!

    Yep, the real story here is how "liberals" today easily change their views in a very short period of time to conform to the current orthodoxy.

    It's not just the ludicrous racial "oppression" stuff, where suddenly--50 years *after* the Civil Rights act--blacks are being held back by insurmontable obstacles from the remanants of the taking-too-damn-long-to-disappear white population.

    Within my kids' lifetime gay marriage went from a completely whacko fringe position, to an idea worthy of airing in the left political press, to serious political agitation, to something that was progressive, but not required orthodoxy (2008), to--just within the last decade!--something every good thinking person supported, to something that only evil hateful people could oppose, to settled law of the land, to ... uninteresting ... and on to putting mentally ill boys in girls locker rooms!

    And liberals follow this--"evolve"--every step of the way. And in fact draw their identity from their lemming like following of liberal orthodoxy. I'd call it a "religion", except calling it that is unfair to people who have come to have actual religious faith--in established and unchanging relevation--and actually work on themselves to live up to their religious precepts. In contrast, "liberalism" now is devoid of any firmly held ideas, but is simply lemming like behavior following a continuously changing orthodoxy and requires no actually work, just "right thinking". It can only be described as a "cult". Just a rather huge one.



    Except that that is unfair to people who have sincere,
    , @Anon
    My theory is that the brain of a liberal is a sink. Every once in a while liberal propaganda central opens the plug and drains out the previous propaganda.

    Liberal propaganda central then puts the plug back in, turns on the taps and fills up the empty sink with the latest propaganda.

    Liberals are the perfect marketing target for products, fads and activities because they will believe anything.

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  4. Lot says:

    Plenty to loot left in Red America, but they fight back.

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    Plenty to loot left in Red America
     
    Speaking of looting (not really OT):

    Baltimore County State's Attorney Scott Shellenberger says 15-year-old Darrell Jaymar Ward, 16-year-old Derrick Eugene Matthews, and 17-year-old Eugene Robert GENIUS IV are charged in the Monday killing of Officer Amy Caprio.

    The three were robbing a house when their getaway driver, 16-year-old Dawnta Anthony Harris, ran 29-year-old Caprio over with a stolen Jeep when she tried to take him into custody.

    While they were not directly involved in Caprio's death, Maryland law indicates they can be held responsible 'for everything that occurs as the result of that burglary,' Shellenberger said.

    ...

    Matthew and Ward allegedly admitted to the burglary when they were interviewed, while Genius initially declined to give a statement. Genius later objected to being charged wit murder, saying he was in the house when the crime occurred and only knew two of the others involved.

     

    Under the so-called "felony murder rule," Eugene Robert "Einstein" Genius IV has basically admitted murder by participating in a felony (burglary) which got somebody killed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5762885/Three-teens-charged-adults-murder-death-female-cop.html

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  5. It sounds like most white democrats who don’t have extreme left wing racial views have become republicans; part of this could be due to Donald Trump.

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    I was just going to say... that increase may just be a result of some whites leaving the party
    , @Paleo Liberal
    Not necessarily.

    These days many people, on the left and on the right, choose their sides and often choose their opinions based on what side they are on.

    A few years ago, almost as many Democrats favored building a wall as were opposed to building a wall. These days it is about 80-20 against.

    I don't think that many Democrats abandoned ship.

    What changed in that time?

    A few years ago, one could be a Good Democrat and a Good Liberal and still believe in building a wall. Nowadays it is becoming increasingly difficult for those of us who are both Democrats and believers in the Rule of Law.

    Or, to be more concise -- if Trump is for it, Democrats are against it.


    And don't pretend this doesn't happen on the right as well. The only thing more bizarre than the wife of Bill Clinton, who set up the Jordan Commission, running on an open borders platform in 2016 was Mitt Romney running against RomneyCare in 2012. Obama was for it, so Republicans were against it.
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  6. Words and phrases that have no real meaning…”white privilege”, “”institutional racism”, “systemic racism”, “white oppression”‘, “implicit bias”. Feel free to add or subtract from my list.

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    Oh! They certainly do have meaning; much like Pascal's Jesuit friends complaining that his Jansenist friends did not have the right beliefs about proximate powers.

    The meaning is to keep unity intact so as to oppress their enemies.

    "White Privilege" is the proximate power of existing as a majority with certain bonds of affection.
    "Institutional racism" is the proximate power of describing those bonds of affection.
    "Systemic Racism" is the proximate power of continuing those (or any, really) bonds of affection.
    "White Oppression" is the proximate power of describing the situation they find themselves in.
    "Implicit Bias" is the proximate power as rhetoric to force deference or soul-searching of your target- as an appeal to his or her methodical individualism- as a lateral signal that you are less liberal then they are.

    This is the language of the great liberal Hobbes "all against all" put to activity to form a way of life.

    Next comes the Leviathan.
    , @Tyrion 2
    White privilege = evil white conspiracy.

    Institutional racism = evil white conspiracy in specific institution.

    Systemic racism = evil white conspirators are so evil, their hate spills out in unpleasant and obvious ways.

    White oppression = equals the cumulation of the three above.

    Implicit bias = inherent white evil.

    All of these terms are used as justifications for collective punishment and/or humiliation. That is all they are in practice.

    Crito: we need to act to remediate the institutional racism that is holding Indians back and the white privilege that is unfairly advantaging white people.

    Socrates: don't we already punish individual acts of racial discrimination?

    Crito: yes, but it is systemic.

    Socrates: is there a difference between systemic and collective in the way you are using systemic?

    Crito:...

    Socrates: you are claiming that white people are collectively guilty of a hidden conspiracy to further white people and disadvantage Indians.

    Crito: I don't like the word conspiracy but I suppose...

    Socrates: if you switch white people out for any other group you'd be decrying whomever spoke like you as exceptionally racist.

    Crito: But it is about power. White people have historically always had the power.

    Socrates: again, were I to switch out white for any other group in your statement you'd have an epileptic fit.

    Crito: yes...but white people do have power.

    Socrates: the power to be collectively labelled guilty and evil and punished?

    Crito: um...um...um...that's not what I meant...we should be more aware or something...read Tennessee Coates...you just like being a contrarian...you're one of those....want another drink?

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  7. res says:

    A look at various related questions from Pew data 1994-2017: http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/4-race-immigration-and-discrimination/

    Graphs related to your quote:

    A similar trend can be seen in Pew data: In 2014, 41 percent of Democrats agreed that racial discrimination was the main reason black people couldn’t get ahead, a number that rose to 64 percent in 2017.

    More detailed breakdown of the 2017 data:

    Many more interesting graphs at the link.

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    Those aren't very good questions because they give the impression that if blacks try harder they're can be more white. Number 1) they don't wanna be white, and duo) they couldn't even if they wanted to.
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  8. Luke Lea says:

    “Two possible answers are “discrimination” and “willpower,”

    Were there any other choices?

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    Exactly. What if someone simply believes that people are different? Why must pollsters force respondents into a dichotomy of blame, of evil Whites or lazy Blacks?

    Because good people will look to their own possible faults before casting aspersions on others. ("Clean your damn room!" Peterson tells his followers.)

    In fact, there is no reason to expect identical outcomes from different groups of people. But no, we must Celebrate Diversity... without noticing any differences, because Diversity is our Strength... even though there are no significant differences between anyone and anyone else!

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  9. songbird says:

    there’s not a black America and white America

    How many people actually believe that? Doesn’t the kneeling during the anthem indicate otherwise?

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    "How many people actually believe that?"

    I think if you look at demographics there is much less white and black America than in the past.

    BTW, Who let those Pagourtzis' into the country?
    , @Clifford Brown
    This nicety would now be deemed problematic.
    , @Mr. Anon

    How many people actually believe that? Doesn’t the kneeling during the anthem indicate otherwise?
     
    Actually, it was already apparent from the O.J. Simpson verdict. White America knew he was guilty. Black America knew too, but didn't care.
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  10. AndrewR says:

    America’s big problem is that people with anti-white ideologies have any power at all.

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  11. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Words and phrases that have no real meaning..."white privilege", ""institutional racism", "systemic racism", "white oppression"', "implicit bias". Feel free to add or subtract from my list.

    Oh! They certainly do have meaning; much like Pascal’s Jesuit friends complaining that his Jansenist friends did not have the right beliefs about proximate powers.

    The meaning is to keep unity intact so as to oppress their enemies.

    “White Privilege” is the proximate power of existing as a majority with certain bonds of affection.
    “Institutional racism” is the proximate power of describing those bonds of affection.
    “Systemic Racism” is the proximate power of continuing those (or any, really) bonds of affection.
    “White Oppression” is the proximate power of describing the situation they find themselves in.
    “Implicit Bias” is the proximate power as rhetoric to force deference or soul-searching of your target- as an appeal to his or her methodical individualism- as a lateral signal that you are less liberal then they are.

    This is the language of the great liberal Hobbes “all against all” put to activity to form a way of life.

    Next comes the Leviathan.

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  12. But of course Trump voters control the commanding heights of American discourse, such as, uh, Breitbart and certain sub-Reddits, along with a thinktank in the Inland Empire.

    LOL. Some of the best of Steve in a while.

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  13. notanon says:

    partly a reaction to white sjws being gradually squeezed off the PC bus imo – they’re increasing their anti-white signalling in an attempt to prove they’re a good ally – but as PC is anti-white and not anti-racist this attempt is futile.

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  14. George says:
    @songbird

    there’s not a black America and white America
     
    How many people actually believe that? Doesn't the kneeling during the anthem indicate otherwise?

    “How many people actually believe that?”

    I think if you look at demographics there is much less white and black America than in the past.

    BTW, Who let those Pagourtzis’ into the country?

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    I think if you look at demographics there is much less white and black America than in the past.
     
    I disagree. I was in the university in the 1960s. Then, there was the hopeful, common assumption that the only difference between blacks and whites was a suntan. Our efforts toward racial reconciliation were based on that. It was a workable way forward.

    Today (post Barack Obama), blacks have made clear that it is also about their African culture, their version of their historic victimization, and their demand for reparations. They might be co-resident in our institutions, but they demand segregation ... the kind linked to claims of perpetual victimization and perpetual reparations.

    They are in your face until you pay up. It's become a "pay-to-play" protection racket.
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  15. Since the source is Carlos Slim’s Blog and High End Real Estate Flyer, one must assume that the purpose of this piece is not to analyze the Democrats’ descent into insanity on race and a half dozen other things, but to message to their leaders to pull back on the reigns going into 2018. (Generally speaking everything written in the Times is from the worldview of advising Democrats how to be more politically effective and warning Republicans of the consequences of trying to be politically effective).

    The House is won or lost in swing districts, increasingly in the battleground of suburbia, where incessant calls to “interrogate your WHAAT privilege” are not well greeted. These are people who can be killed by a thousand small cuts with accusations and insinuations of racism so long as it’s not too obviously an extortion scheme, and so long as their kids don’t have to go to school with a high proportion of blacks or real incorrigibles and criminals.

    The Democrats’ chances to take the House and hold steady in the Senate are predicated on their ability to cross-dress as real Americans when mid-term voters start paying attention.

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    • Replies: @Clifford Brown

    The Democrats’ chances to take the House and hold steady in the Senate are predicated on their ability to cross-dress as real Americans when mid-term voters start paying attention.
     
    That's why the Democrats have outsourced the congressional races to the Deep State.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html

    One quarter of all the Democratic challengers in competitive House districts have military-intelligence, State Department or NSC backgrounds. This is by far the largest subcategory of Democratic candidates. National security operatives (57) outnumber state and local government officials (45), lawyers (35), corporate executives, businessmen and wealthy individuals (30) and other professionals (19) among the candidates for Democratic congressional nominations.

    Of the 102 primary elections to choose the Democratic nominees in these competitive districts, 44 involve candidates with a military-intelligence or State Department background, with 11 districts having two such candidates, and one district having three. In the majority of contests, the military-intelligence candidates seem likely to win the Democratic nomination, and, if the Democrats win in the general election, would enter Congress as new members of the House of Representatives.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=67&v=uB73F4AgW74
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  16. Neoconned says:

    I won’t speculate on the cause but I noticed on several message forums I posted on.few.yrs.back that a lot of the people who opposed Bush and the wars with me in the 2000s and who used to talk about tax policy was taken over by a neocon who called you a Nazi(in caps) or a “crypto fascist”, whatever the hell that means when you accused him of being a chicken hawk warmonger….

    Anyway, the prissy gay dude went SJW x1000 and three blacks started talking about critical theory, how rednecks are still KKK and last how sexist the forum had become….

    Anyway even though I had been called a Marxist ten years ago…..I was now a rape apologist and a fascist per these self appoined moral preachers….

    After a yr or two of introspection and deep thought I became convinced the 20th century right vs left debate was a diversion are a corpse.

    The new debate was race, tribes, and identity politics
    …akin to a pirate split the loot culture. In such a situation everything is painted in absolutist terms and therefore political debate is not only useless, but moot and pointless as it’s winner takes all

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  17. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    I agree there’s a huge % of fashion-forward, bandwagon whitelibs, but that doesn’t explain much about where the worldview comes from. It just means that being an up-to-date woke whatever still plays well on a cool medium like TV, as we already knew

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  18. Berty says:

    Why are you taking McElwee seriously? The guy is a joke and a loser whom nobody takes seriously, and says the most ridiculous stuff hoping somebody notices him.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbMmS9bUQAAIe2E.jpg:large

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  19. unit472 says:

    In order for racism to blight the lives of its targets it has to have power over those it would harm. Just where in modern America do ‘racists’ hold the upper hand? Academia? Government? Corporate America? Does it matter if some low income resident of a trailer park holds ‘racist’ views? Even a racist cop will soon run into career ending trouble should he express his views publicly.

    OTOH blacks can openly express their contempt for whites but because they do not control the levers of power in this country their attacks can only damage individual targets of their ire not the white population as a whole.

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  20. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    So “innate ability” is not a choice? Do you think that they honestly didn’t even think of it, that it never crossed their minds? Or that within the academic environment at Chicago where the questions were prepared nobody dared reveal that the possibility had popped into their mind as an answer? Or was it not there because it is so obviously wrong that they don’t care who thinks that? Or that it is so toxic that anonymous academic researchers cannot even include it for research purposes to determine how many misguided Nazis are out there because it would cause a Twitterstorm against them and petitions to get the researchers fired?

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  21. @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    That’s because they’re not views. They’re feelings.

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    By this point, they have become religious beliefs for the irreligious.
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  22. Daniel H says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    In the late 1960s, early 1970s it was at least as likely that Democrats opposed liberalizing abortion as Republicans did. In certain areas it was significantly more likely that Democrats opposed such. By the year 2000 one could compile a long list of Democrats who were against abortion before they were for it: Kennedy, Gephardt, Dodd, Cuomo, Jesse Jackson, and many more.

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    Abortion eliminates Democrat voters before they are born.

    Abortion has eliminated millions of non White criminals, 4th generation life long welfare parasites and affirmative action dregs entitled to college admissions, SBA loans jobs tax exemptions and other privileges denied to Whites because we are White.

    Legal cheap abortion is the only good thing our government has done for Whites since the satanic abomination of Brown vs Topeka 1956.

    It’s not a question of conservative* vs liberals any more Sibce 1968 it’s been Whites vs the government, media, religion, academia, education, entertainment , capitalism and the business community.

    Conservative equals losers except for the 2nd amendment and that’s only survived because the NRA wants to keep selling its product.

    BTW, it’s not White feninazis who have abortions. They use birth control. It’s the enemies of Whites who get abortions.

    Only fools believe conservatives whatever they are are pro White.
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  23. Daniel H says:

    Democrats are betting the house on this, believing that demographic trends are on their side. It is just as likely – in my reasoning, more likely – that demographic trends will work against the Democrats.

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years, even the offspring of today’s virtue signaling Democrats are likely to experience curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation. This alienation is impossible to forestall; it’s built into human nature. These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party. Of course they will bring their obsession with sex matters along with them so the Republican party will change also, but there will be plenty of pushback, so they won’t have their way with the party likely they do now with the Democrats. Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists, desperately clinging to a few positions of leadership, who will have to take second place to the non-white majority of the party. Other than technical expertise, there will be little need or room for whites with the coming colored majority in the Democrat party. This is how I anticipate things will work out.

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    This is also assuming that the demographic trends are going to continue working against whites. Trump has made them real nervous. 10% of newborns are to illegal aliens every year. So right off the bat, around 58% or newborns are still white, if you can curtail them. Trump is working on making life more uncertain - thus they *will* be producing fewer children.

    Derbyshire was mentioning how the minority birthrates are falling - with a little economic bettering and white conservative racial awareness, the white birthrate could pick up. Have three children instead of two. Etc.

    The Democrats are on the cusp of numerical racial superiority, but Trump has made them nervous. Quite frankly, people around the world are listening to the media, and the USA is no longer such a large immigration destination.

    Anyways, non-white superiority is not set in stone. Although, we are walking an extremely fine line at the moment. And Trump is the only hope. Not a great position to be in, but hey, it's better than nothing. My native Canada, on the other hand, is truly finished I believe.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Eh, I'm currently looking at TFR crashing fot everyone but white people.

    I don't think the demographic trends are quite as baked into the cake as some people on the Left might wish.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists ... "

    Kudos on the above sentence. And I hope you're forecast is correct, but a sick feeling in my stomach tells me the identity politics infection will continue to fester for another couple of election cycles; three if Trump wins in 2020. Buckle up, whitey! Stormy seas ahead.
    , @Anonym
    I think that's some good analysis. The process of alienating white voters has been in play for over a decade. It is seen here:

    http://prospect.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/white_votes_v_total_votes.jpg

    As relatively apolitical leftist whites are boiled off, the self-hating white leftist remnant of which you speak remains. I think that feeds into the curve that Steve shows, at least partly. So rather than the attitudes changing, with the exodus of more realistic white Dems the extreme white remnant comes into starker relief. For those people, their world consists of the hollywood morality tale rather than what they could see if they looked outside and paid attention. And it also consists of a number of our fellow white demographic, for whom the world is the Eurosphere as it was in the 1950s, or maybe 1933. There aren't many of them, but as a percentage of Dem whites who turnout to vote, it might be up to 10% of their numbers.

    I suspect that the Democrats saw that is was possible to mobilize black turnout, however the level of anti-white animus required to mobilize blacks had unintended consequences, such as losing the election for Hillary. Bill Clinton saw this, his wife didn't.

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2013/05/voter-turnout-rates.png
    , @Flip
    Whites in heavily black Mississippi vote Republican at extremely high rates as whites in homogeneous Vermont do not.
    , @Mishra

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years
     
    Not only will whites very soon be a minority in America, the liberal ones are dying for the opportunity to lick the boots of every POC they see. It's the only way they can feel legitimate as human beings.

    curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation
     
    These are but trivial way-stations on the path to the boot licking they desire so fervently. Each and every step to be savored and treasured.

    These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party.
     
    What party is that?

    This is how I anticipate things will work out.
     
    We definitely live in different Americas. I wish I lived in yours.
    , @anon
    Not that I disagree, but you'd think you would see some semblance of this already happening in majority-minority Blue bellwether states like California.

    Perhaps changes have occurred, but have been masked by interstate selective migration.
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  24. Travis says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    millions of white Boomer democrats have died since 2010 as millions of millennials became adults and democrats during the same time period…thus the democrats from 2011 are not exactly the same as the white democrats today. Every year over 2 million white Americans turn 21 and 2 million whites die each year….thus the 50 million white democrats today includes 10 million millennials who were too young to vote for Obama and we are missing another 10 million democrats who have passed away since 2009

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    Here is my question - people have been saying for *years* that all the old white people are dying off, and young white progressives and minorities are taking their place. Well alot of damn white people have died in the past 20 years. Yet this supposed calamity has never arrived.

    From my experience, whites aged 35-49 are becoming very conservative, and also more racially aware. I'm not sure where the generation Z will fit in. My friends have moved quite right over the past two years - I used to be the only one espousing right wing views and now nearly all of them are. Yet they still fall for the diversity BS. They may be conservative but they are not racially aware - *yet*.

    Will be interesting to see how things turn out.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    That could explain the gradual trend you see on the graph, but probably not the sudden acceleration.
    , @AndrewR
    It's been 47 years since the minimum voting age in the US was 21.

    Also, Boomers, the oldest of whom are still quite a few years younger than the median American dying on any given day, have never made up a majority of deaths, although that will likely change within the next ten years or so.

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  25. Beliavsky says:

    I wonder why Steve did not point out a third reason for black underperformance other than discrimination or willpower — lower average IQ. Believing that IQ rather than willpower is the main problem should actually make one more sympathetic towards blacks, but for some reason the IQ theory is considered the most dangerous.

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    very true...and I think many regular Americans have been sympathetic towards Blacks because they know this to be true. They believe Blacks lack of success in America is a result of their lower intelligence not because they are lazy. Bu there are multiple reasons Blacks continue to struggle, lower IQ being just one factor. Blacks also have other traits which hurt their chances and 60 years of leftist ideology in our schools and the media which promote hatred against whites has made the plight of Blacks much worse. Our schools teach Blacks to blame whites for their failures, and go to great lengths to increase their already elevated self-esteem...such a toxic combination produces harmful results.
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  26. Tiny Duck says:

    You huts will lose

    The traitor confederate monuments went down

    A Black Woman is about to win the governor for Georgia

    white privileged is taught in schools

    Imm Gratin. Intihurs alwce
    Read Leonard Pitts

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  27. @President Barbicane
    It sounds like most white democrats who don't have extreme left wing racial views have become republicans; part of this could be due to Donald Trump.

    I was just going to say… that increase may just be a result of some whites leaving the party

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  28. ia says:
    @res
    A look at various related questions from Pew data 1994-2017: http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/4-race-immigration-and-discrimination/

    Graphs related to your quote:

    A similar trend can be seen in Pew data: In 2014, 41 percent of Democrats agreed that racial discrimination was the main reason black people couldn’t get ahead, a number that rose to 64 percent in 2017.
     
    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/04141600/4_4.png

    More detailed breakdown of the 2017 data:

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/24094916/4_fix.png

    Many more interesting graphs at the link.

    Those aren’t very good questions because they give the impression that if blacks try harder they’re can be more white. Number 1) they don’t wanna be white, and duo) they couldn’t even if they wanted to.

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  29. @Daniel H
    Democrats are betting the house on this, believing that demographic trends are on their side. It is just as likely - in my reasoning, more likely - that demographic trends will work against the Democrats.

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years, even the offspring of today's virtue signaling Democrats are likely to experience curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation. This alienation is impossible to forestall; it's built into human nature. These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party. Of course they will bring their obsession with sex matters along with them so the Republican party will change also, but there will be plenty of pushback, so they won't have their way with the party likely they do now with the Democrats. Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists, desperately clinging to a few positions of leadership, who will have to take second place to the non-white majority of the party. Other than technical expertise, there will be little need or room for whites with the coming colored majority in the Democrat party. This is how I anticipate things will work out.

    This is also assuming that the demographic trends are going to continue working against whites. Trump has made them real nervous. 10% of newborns are to illegal aliens every year. So right off the bat, around 58% or newborns are still white, if you can curtail them. Trump is working on making life more uncertain – thus they *will* be producing fewer children.

    Derbyshire was mentioning how the minority birthrates are falling – with a little economic bettering and white conservative racial awareness, the white birthrate could pick up. Have three children instead of two. Etc.

    The Democrats are on the cusp of numerical racial superiority, but Trump has made them nervous. Quite frankly, people around the world are listening to the media, and the USA is no longer such a large immigration destination.

    Anyways, non-white superiority is not set in stone. Although, we are walking an extremely fine line at the moment. And Trump is the only hope. Not a great position to be in, but hey, it’s better than nothing. My native Canada, on the other hand, is truly finished I believe.

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  30. @Travis
    millions of white Boomer democrats have died since 2010 as millions of millennials became adults and democrats during the same time period...thus the democrats from 2011 are not exactly the same as the white democrats today. Every year over 2 million white Americans turn 21 and 2 million whites die each year....thus the 50 million white democrats today includes 10 million millennials who were too young to vote for Obama and we are missing another 10 million democrats who have passed away since 2009

    Here is my question – people have been saying for *years* that all the old white people are dying off, and young white progressives and minorities are taking their place. Well alot of damn white people have died in the past 20 years. Yet this supposed calamity has never arrived.

    From my experience, whites aged 35-49 are becoming very conservative, and also more racially aware. I’m not sure where the generation Z will fit in. My friends have moved quite right over the past two years – I used to be the only one espousing right wing views and now nearly all of them are. Yet they still fall for the diversity BS. They may be conservative but they are not racially aware – *yet*.

    Will be interesting to see how things turn out.

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    Read some of Sean Trende's analysis on the Missing White Voters issue over at RealClearPolitics. I think he's done 5-1o articles on related issues over the years. One finding is that Democrats have been bleeding about 1.5% of White voters every election since the 90s and the trend was observed back to the 80s but at a more modest level.

    The margins on White liberals are moving ever inward, first they leave the Democrats and park themselves as independents then as they come to terms with their political evolution they dip their toe into Republican identity.
    , @Travis
    the demographic changes take place at different rates in different states

    California was a Republican leaning state when it was majority white
    The GOP candidate won California in 1960, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992
    but a decade after amnesty they became a solid democratic state.

    it is a simple fact that whites are dying off and America has less white today than in 1980, but as the Democratic party has become hostile toward white people the GOP has attracted more whites which is the reason Trump was able to win the election. Trump may well have saved the GOP but it remains to be seen who will follow his agenda going forward....will there be enough whites to maintain the GOP as a viable national party in 8 years ? or will white death continue to erode the number of whites in America, as the white mortality rate continues to rise each year. More white Americans have died over the last decade than have been born. If this trend continues the demographics of America will be far worse in 20 years time...

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  31. newrouter says:

    The purge of the “honkies” from the Democratic party will result in a party that is stupid and evil.

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    The Democrats have been stupid and evil since Kennedy died and radical anti white Lyndon Johnson and his VP Humphrey took over.

    Virtually everything the Democrats have done since 1964 has been anti White.
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  32. say, all these self-loathing whites couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that white schoolchildren have their heads crammed full of a version of history that makes whites look like demons and nonwhites look like angels? Could it? Sounds outlandish, I know….

    And hey have you noticed that the more white guilt there is, the easier it is for the politicians and big business to cram more immigrants into america? Have ya noticed? And have ya noticed that immigration increases the population? And have ya noticed that as population increases the consumer demand increases? And have ya noticed that as consumer demand increases the GDP increases?
    And have ya noticed that as the GDP increases the corporate profits increase?

    And have ya noticed that as the corporate profits increase the media ad revenue increases and that the net wealth of congressmen increase?

    oh, but hey, never mind all this complicated stuff. It’s just gonna make your widdle head hurt. Just starting talking about how immigration helps Democrats and everything will be better…

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  33. Steve you planning on revising your theory on the Left and gun control from Nice White Urbanites don’t want their kids to be shot in a drive by?

    Especially when the in your face truth is they don’t want you to be able to fight back when they come for you, wrecker.

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  34. America’s big social problem is that there is too much hate in the hearts of white people, especially too much hate in the hearts of white liberals toward other whites

    But no, it is love, not hate! Dammit it is not hate! NOT hate! Not HATE! NOT HATE! And just because I HATE you because you say there is too much hate doesn’t mean that I don’t love you. I love you because I HATE YOU. And you have to be sent to re-education now, so that you learn TO LOVE!!!

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  35. @Daniel H
    Democrats are betting the house on this, believing that demographic trends are on their side. It is just as likely - in my reasoning, more likely - that demographic trends will work against the Democrats.

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years, even the offspring of today's virtue signaling Democrats are likely to experience curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation. This alienation is impossible to forestall; it's built into human nature. These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party. Of course they will bring their obsession with sex matters along with them so the Republican party will change also, but there will be plenty of pushback, so they won't have their way with the party likely they do now with the Democrats. Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists, desperately clinging to a few positions of leadership, who will have to take second place to the non-white majority of the party. Other than technical expertise, there will be little need or room for whites with the coming colored majority in the Democrat party. This is how I anticipate things will work out.

    Eh, I’m currently looking at TFR crashing fot everyone but white people.

    I don’t think the demographic trends are quite as baked into the cake as some people on the Left might wish.

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  36. @songbird

    there’s not a black America and white America
     
    How many people actually believe that? Doesn't the kneeling during the anthem indicate otherwise?

    This nicety would now be deemed problematic.

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  37. @Daniel H
    Democrats are betting the house on this, believing that demographic trends are on their side. It is just as likely - in my reasoning, more likely - that demographic trends will work against the Democrats.

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years, even the offspring of today's virtue signaling Democrats are likely to experience curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation. This alienation is impossible to forestall; it's built into human nature. These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party. Of course they will bring their obsession with sex matters along with them so the Republican party will change also, but there will be plenty of pushback, so they won't have their way with the party likely they do now with the Democrats. Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists, desperately clinging to a few positions of leadership, who will have to take second place to the non-white majority of the party. Other than technical expertise, there will be little need or room for whites with the coming colored majority in the Democrat party. This is how I anticipate things will work out.

    “Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists … ”

    Kudos on the above sentence. And I hope you’re forecast is correct, but a sick feeling in my stomach tells me the identity politics infection will continue to fester for another couple of election cycles; three if Trump wins in 2020. Buckle up, whitey! Stormy seas ahead.

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  38. @Alec Leamas
    Since the source is Carlos Slim's Blog and High End Real Estate Flyer, one must assume that the purpose of this piece is not to analyze the Democrats' descent into insanity on race and a half dozen other things, but to message to their leaders to pull back on the reigns going into 2018. (Generally speaking everything written in the Times is from the worldview of advising Democrats how to be more politically effective and warning Republicans of the consequences of trying to be politically effective).

    The House is won or lost in swing districts, increasingly in the battleground of suburbia, where incessant calls to "interrogate your WHAAT privilege" are not well greeted. These are people who can be killed by a thousand small cuts with accusations and insinuations of racism so long as it's not too obviously an extortion scheme, and so long as their kids don't have to go to school with a high proportion of blacks or real incorrigibles and criminals.

    The Democrats' chances to take the House and hold steady in the Senate are predicated on their ability to cross-dress as real Americans when mid-term voters start paying attention.

    The Democrats’ chances to take the House and hold steady in the Senate are predicated on their ability to cross-dress as real Americans when mid-term voters start paying attention.

    That’s why the Democrats have outsourced the congressional races to the Deep State.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html

    One quarter of all the Democratic challengers in competitive House districts have military-intelligence, State Department or NSC backgrounds. This is by far the largest subcategory of Democratic candidates. National security operatives (57) outnumber state and local government officials (45), lawyers (35), corporate executives, businessmen and wealthy individuals (30) and other professionals (19) among the candidates for Democratic congressional nominations.

    Of the 102 primary elections to choose the Democratic nominees in these competitive districts, 44 involve candidates with a military-intelligence or State Department background, with 11 districts having two such candidates, and one district having three. In the majority of contests, the military-intelligence candidates seem likely to win the Democratic nomination, and, if the Democrats win in the general election, would enter Congress as new members of the House of Representatives.

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  39. Anonym says:
    @Daniel H
    Democrats are betting the house on this, believing that demographic trends are on their side. It is just as likely - in my reasoning, more likely - that demographic trends will work against the Democrats.

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years, even the offspring of today's virtue signaling Democrats are likely to experience curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation. This alienation is impossible to forestall; it's built into human nature. These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party. Of course they will bring their obsession with sex matters along with them so the Republican party will change also, but there will be plenty of pushback, so they won't have their way with the party likely they do now with the Democrats. Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists, desperately clinging to a few positions of leadership, who will have to take second place to the non-white majority of the party. Other than technical expertise, there will be little need or room for whites with the coming colored majority in the Democrat party. This is how I anticipate things will work out.

    I think that’s some good analysis. The process of alienating white voters has been in play for over a decade. It is seen here:

    As relatively apolitical leftist whites are boiled off, the self-hating white leftist remnant of which you speak remains. I think that feeds into the curve that Steve shows, at least partly. So rather than the attitudes changing, with the exodus of more realistic white Dems the extreme white remnant comes into starker relief. For those people, their world consists of the hollywood morality tale rather than what they could see if they looked outside and paid attention. And it also consists of a number of our fellow white demographic, for whom the world is the Eurosphere as it was in the 1950s, or maybe 1933. There aren’t many of them, but as a percentage of Dem whites who turnout to vote, it might be up to 10% of their numbers.

    I suspect that the Democrats saw that is was possible to mobilize black turnout, however the level of anti-white animus required to mobilize blacks had unintended consequences, such as losing the election for Hillary. Bill Clinton saw this, his wife didn’t.

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    Thanks for the information. Your final plot is crying out for "what happened next?" So here it is: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/11144820/FT_17.05.10_Voter-turnout.png

    So it looks like the mobilization failed in addition to alienating whites.
    , @Travis
    does white turnout include the millions of hispanics Americans who identify as white ?

    Last year 2.1 million whites passed away and 2 million whites were born...this trend is increasing, as the boomers approach 80 years-old we will start to see almost 3 million whites dying each year as less than 2 million whites are born each year.

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  40. Negrophiles are batshit crazy.

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  41. @Travis
    millions of white Boomer democrats have died since 2010 as millions of millennials became adults and democrats during the same time period...thus the democrats from 2011 are not exactly the same as the white democrats today. Every year over 2 million white Americans turn 21 and 2 million whites die each year....thus the 50 million white democrats today includes 10 million millennials who were too young to vote for Obama and we are missing another 10 million democrats who have passed away since 2009

    That could explain the gradual trend you see on the graph, but probably not the sudden acceleration.

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  42. @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    This is true and it provides an interesting insight into the left. It’s all about unanimity of opinion and they rigorously police any deviation from the party line. I see a lot more tolerance of differences of opinion among right-wingers.

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    It is fascinating to juxtapose that fact with their love of "diversity."
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  43. Flip says:
    @Daniel H
    Democrats are betting the house on this, believing that demographic trends are on their side. It is just as likely - in my reasoning, more likely - that demographic trends will work against the Democrats.

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years, even the offspring of today's virtue signaling Democrats are likely to experience curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation. This alienation is impossible to forestall; it's built into human nature. These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party. Of course they will bring their obsession with sex matters along with them so the Republican party will change also, but there will be plenty of pushback, so they won't have their way with the party likely they do now with the Democrats. Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists, desperately clinging to a few positions of leadership, who will have to take second place to the non-white majority of the party. Other than technical expertise, there will be little need or room for whites with the coming colored majority in the Democrat party. This is how I anticipate things will work out.

    Whites in heavily black Mississippi vote Republican at extremely high rates as whites in homogeneous Vermont do not.

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    NOT SO LONG AGO Vermont was a reliable Republican state. Then the NYC crowd moved in and the Howard Dean's and the Bernie's took over. VERMONT was a live and let live state with no gun restrictive laws. That changed recently as the liberal left made an issue out of a non-issue.
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  44. Mishra says:
    @Daniel H
    Democrats are betting the house on this, believing that demographic trends are on their side. It is just as likely - in my reasoning, more likely - that demographic trends will work against the Democrats.

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years, even the offspring of today's virtue signaling Democrats are likely to experience curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation. This alienation is impossible to forestall; it's built into human nature. These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party. Of course they will bring their obsession with sex matters along with them so the Republican party will change also, but there will be plenty of pushback, so they won't have their way with the party likely they do now with the Democrats. Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists, desperately clinging to a few positions of leadership, who will have to take second place to the non-white majority of the party. Other than technical expertise, there will be little need or room for whites with the coming colored majority in the Democrat party. This is how I anticipate things will work out.

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years

    Not only will whites very soon be a minority in America, the liberal ones are dying for the opportunity to lick the boots of every POC they see. It’s the only way they can feel legitimate as human beings.

    curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation

    These are but trivial way-stations on the path to the boot licking they desire so fervently. Each and every step to be savored and treasured.

    These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party.

    What party is that?

    This is how I anticipate things will work out.

    We definitely live in different Americas. I wish I lived in yours.

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  45. Anon7 says:

    Maybe if the discussion could be turned away from

    “those other whites like Trump are racist deplorables, and that’s why black people fail in America”

    and turn it towards

    “open borders and unlimited immigration have ruined black job opportunities, and deliberately manipulative welfare laws have ruined black initiative, for the past three generations.”

    There are a significant number of black conservatives who are starting to point this out to their fellow blacks, especially now that historically low unemployment in the black community is showing people what they’ve been missing.

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    @38 Anon7: "“open borders and unlimited immigration have ruined black job opportunities, and deliberately manipulative welfare laws have ruined black initiative, for the past three generations.”

    Negroes have never demonstrated initiative in their entire history in America. Many of the freed slaves starved because they had no concept of working for a living. While I find American employment of foreigners (with or without magic papers) contemptible, I can still understand an employer's preference for more industrious and less litigious browns as opposed to perennially aggrieved blacks.

    "There are a significant number of black conservatives who are starting to point this out to their fellow blacks, especially now that historically low unemployment in the black community is showing people what they’ve been missing."

    I do NOT CARE about the 'black community' or the black unemployment rate. I care about White Americans. There's a variety of terms for people who like to employ the DR3 argument and/or suggest appealing to the 'natural conservatism' of various non-Whites - and none of them are complimentary. Besides, Sailer's site is about HBD if it's about anything, and TruConCucks 'don't see race' ---- so your presence here is a grievous offense to your respectable credentials.

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  46. Dr. Doom says:

    The media keeps lecturing White people on the intersection of the past and their corporate sponsors. The unfairness of reality. The attempts to prevent observable reality from intruding on their broken record narrative of racism of White People not wanting to die and lose everything.
    The media celebrates the edumacashun of the Demoblican voters vs the ignorant racists at the Repucratic Party. The sophistication of the brown and black and college safe spacers. After all, they didn’t seek after racism or ignore the narration of the corporate media. They voted for Obama cause he was black and Hillary cause she had a vagina.

    The sophistry of the edumacated cardboard diploma class. Wave that cardboard diploma and say racism , sexism and inequality. The Hoary Hosts of Post Nuclear Quota Handouts.

    The Jim Jones Suicide Cult.

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  47. @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    The short answer is fear. I have lived in the Bay Area for most of my life. Outside of my professional cohort, most people I know or are related to are liberals. The overwhelming majority of them are so worried about being out grouped by their peers that they would rather poke their eyes out with a hot needle than talk about race. And the further up the tree they are, the more they have to lose. It is like talking to a wall.

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  48. 3g4me says:
    @Anon7
    Maybe if the discussion could be turned away from

    "those other whites like Trump are racist deplorables, and that's why black people fail in America"

    and turn it towards

    "open borders and unlimited immigration have ruined black job opportunities, and deliberately manipulative welfare laws have ruined black initiative, for the past three generations."

    There are a significant number of black conservatives who are starting to point this out to their fellow blacks, especially now that historically low unemployment in the black community is showing people what they've been missing.

    @38 Anon7: ““open borders and unlimited immigration have ruined black job opportunities, and deliberately manipulative welfare laws have ruined black initiative, for the past three generations.”

    Negroes have never demonstrated initiative in their entire history in America. Many of the freed slaves starved because they had no concept of working for a living. While I find American employment of foreigners (with or without magic papers) contemptible, I can still understand an employer’s preference for more industrious and less litigious browns as opposed to perennially aggrieved blacks.

    “There are a significant number of black conservatives who are starting to point this out to their fellow blacks, especially now that historically low unemployment in the black community is showing people what they’ve been missing.”

    I do NOT CARE about the ‘black community’ or the black unemployment rate. I care about White Americans. There’s a variety of terms for people who like to employ the DR3 argument and/or suggest appealing to the ‘natural conservatism’ of various non-Whites – and none of them are complimentary. Besides, Sailer’s site is about HBD if it’s about anything, and TruConCucks ‘don’t see race’ —- so your presence here is a grievous offense to your respectable credentials.

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    I agree, agree, agree, with you. I don’t give a rat’s a$$ about blacks or any other group but White nationalist Whites

    I do appreciate the fact that so many affirmative action blacks have been replaced in government and other jobs by polite civilized competent efficient Hispanics.

    White conservatives who only voice objection to immigration because it takes dishwasher jobs away from blacks are beyond contempt

    When White conservatives start expressing concern about the fact the White physicians are rapidly being replaced by non White immigrant physicians I might respect them.

    Until then, they are as stupid and contemptible as White hating White liberals
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  49. TangoMan says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Here is my question - people have been saying for *years* that all the old white people are dying off, and young white progressives and minorities are taking their place. Well alot of damn white people have died in the past 20 years. Yet this supposed calamity has never arrived.

    From my experience, whites aged 35-49 are becoming very conservative, and also more racially aware. I'm not sure where the generation Z will fit in. My friends have moved quite right over the past two years - I used to be the only one espousing right wing views and now nearly all of them are. Yet they still fall for the diversity BS. They may be conservative but they are not racially aware - *yet*.

    Will be interesting to see how things turn out.

    Read some of Sean Trende’s analysis on the Missing White Voters issue over at RealClearPolitics. I think he’s done 5-1o articles on related issues over the years. One finding is that Democrats have been bleeding about 1.5% of White voters every election since the 90s and the trend was observed back to the 80s but at a more modest level.

    The margins on White liberals are moving ever inward, first they leave the Democrats and park themselves as independents then as they come to terms with their political evolution they dip their toe into Republican identity.

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  50. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H
    Democrats are betting the house on this, believing that demographic trends are on their side. It is just as likely - in my reasoning, more likely - that demographic trends will work against the Democrats.

    As the nation becomes less white, possibly with a non-white majority within 50 years, even the offspring of today's virtue signaling Democrats are likely to experience curtailed professional opportunities, economic and environmental decline, financial oppression and a sense of racial alienation. This alienation is impossible to forestall; it's built into human nature. These erstwhile Democrats will find their way to the white party. Of course they will bring their obsession with sex matters along with them so the Republican party will change also, but there will be plenty of pushback, so they won't have their way with the party likely they do now with the Democrats. Democrats will be a loser, minority party, comprised largely of angry, seething coloreds with a rump remnant of die-hard white leftists, desperately clinging to a few positions of leadership, who will have to take second place to the non-white majority of the party. Other than technical expertise, there will be little need or room for whites with the coming colored majority in the Democrat party. This is how I anticipate things will work out.

    Not that I disagree, but you’d think you would see some semblance of this already happening in majority-minority Blue bellwether states like California.

    Perhaps changes have occurred, but have been masked by interstate selective migration.

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  51. res says:
    @Anonym
    I think that's some good analysis. The process of alienating white voters has been in play for over a decade. It is seen here:

    http://prospect.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/white_votes_v_total_votes.jpg

    As relatively apolitical leftist whites are boiled off, the self-hating white leftist remnant of which you speak remains. I think that feeds into the curve that Steve shows, at least partly. So rather than the attitudes changing, with the exodus of more realistic white Dems the extreme white remnant comes into starker relief. For those people, their world consists of the hollywood morality tale rather than what they could see if they looked outside and paid attention. And it also consists of a number of our fellow white demographic, for whom the world is the Eurosphere as it was in the 1950s, or maybe 1933. There aren't many of them, but as a percentage of Dem whites who turnout to vote, it might be up to 10% of their numbers.

    I suspect that the Democrats saw that is was possible to mobilize black turnout, however the level of anti-white animus required to mobilize blacks had unintended consequences, such as losing the election for Hillary. Bill Clinton saw this, his wife didn't.

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2013/05/voter-turnout-rates.png

    Thanks for the information. Your final plot is crying out for “what happened next?” So here it is: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

    So it looks like the mobilization failed in addition to alienating whites.

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    I guess Hillary did as good a job of mobilizing blacks as any non-black presidential candidate in recent history. Better than her husband in term 2, but at a cost.
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  52. res says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    This is true and it provides an interesting insight into the left. It's all about unanimity of opinion and they rigorously police any deviation from the party line. I see a lot more tolerance of differences of opinion among right-wingers.

    It is fascinating to juxtapose that fact with their love of “diversity.”

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    The social justice leftist's ideal world is a multitude of people of different skin tones, genders, and sexual proclivities...all reflexively thinking exactly alike on every issue and at all times. SJWs most certainly do not want diversity of opinion or thought.
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  53. Anonym says:
    @res
    Thanks for the information. Your final plot is crying out for "what happened next?" So here it is: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/11144820/FT_17.05.10_Voter-turnout.png

    So it looks like the mobilization failed in addition to alienating whites.

    I guess Hillary did as good a job of mobilizing blacks as any non-black presidential candidate in recent history. Better than her husband in term 2, but at a cost.

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  54. @Luke Lea

    "Two possible answers are “discrimination” and “willpower,”
     
    Were there any other choices?

    Exactly. What if someone simply believes that people are different? Why must pollsters force respondents into a dichotomy of blame, of evil Whites or lazy Blacks?

    Because good people will look to their own possible faults before casting aspersions on others. (“Clean your damn room!” Peterson tells his followers.)

    In fact, there is no reason to expect identical outcomes from different groups of people. But no, we must Celebrate Diversity… without noticing any differences, because Diversity is our Strength… even though there are no significant differences between anyone and anyone else!

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  55. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Plenty to loot left in Red America, but they fight back.

    Plenty to loot left in Red America

    Speaking of looting (not really OT):

    Baltimore County State’s Attorney Scott Shellenberger says 15-year-old Darrell Jaymar Ward, 16-year-old Derrick Eugene Matthews, and 17-year-old Eugene Robert GENIUS IV are charged in the Monday killing of Officer Amy Caprio.

    The three were robbing a house when their getaway driver, 16-year-old Dawnta Anthony Harris, ran 29-year-old Caprio over with a stolen Jeep when she tried to take him into custody.

    While they were not directly involved in Caprio’s death, Maryland law indicates they can be held responsible ‘for everything that occurs as the result of that burglary,’ Shellenberger said.

    Matthew and Ward allegedly admitted to the burglary when they were interviewed, while Genius initially declined to give a statement. Genius later objected to being charged wit murder, saying he was in the house when the crime occurred and only knew two of the others involved.

    Under the so-called “felony murder rule,” Eugene Robert “Einstein” Genius IV has basically admitted murder by participating in a felony (burglary) which got somebody killed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5762885/Three-teens-charged-adults-murder-death-female-cop.html

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    Thanks.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Genius later objected to being charged wit murder, saying he was in the house when the crime occurred and only knew two of the others involved.
     
    He was just in the house when it was being robbed? Was he, independently, robbing it himself, when these two other robbers just happened to show up?
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  56. @Anonymous

    Plenty to loot left in Red America
     
    Speaking of looting (not really OT):

    Baltimore County State's Attorney Scott Shellenberger says 15-year-old Darrell Jaymar Ward, 16-year-old Derrick Eugene Matthews, and 17-year-old Eugene Robert GENIUS IV are charged in the Monday killing of Officer Amy Caprio.

    The three were robbing a house when their getaway driver, 16-year-old Dawnta Anthony Harris, ran 29-year-old Caprio over with a stolen Jeep when she tried to take him into custody.

    While they were not directly involved in Caprio's death, Maryland law indicates they can be held responsible 'for everything that occurs as the result of that burglary,' Shellenberger said.

    ...

    Matthew and Ward allegedly admitted to the burglary when they were interviewed, while Genius initially declined to give a statement. Genius later objected to being charged wit murder, saying he was in the house when the crime occurred and only knew two of the others involved.

     

    Under the so-called "felony murder rule," Eugene Robert "Einstein" Genius IV has basically admitted murder by participating in a felony (burglary) which got somebody killed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5762885/Three-teens-charged-adults-murder-death-female-cop.html

    Thanks.

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  57. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Words and phrases that have no real meaning..."white privilege", ""institutional racism", "systemic racism", "white oppression"', "implicit bias". Feel free to add or subtract from my list.

    White privilege = evil white conspiracy.

    Institutional racism = evil white conspiracy in specific institution.

    Systemic racism = evil white conspirators are so evil, their hate spills out in unpleasant and obvious ways.

    White oppression = equals the cumulation of the three above.

    Implicit bias = inherent white evil.

    All of these terms are used as justifications for collective punishment and/or humiliation. That is all they are in practice.

    Crito: we need to act to remediate the institutional racism that is holding Indians back and the white privilege that is unfairly advantaging white people.

    Socrates: don’t we already punish individual acts of racial discrimination?

    Crito: yes, but it is systemic.

    Socrates: is there a difference between systemic and collective in the way you are using systemic?

    Crito:…

    Socrates: you are claiming that white people are collectively guilty of a hidden conspiracy to further white people and disadvantage Indians.

    Crito: I don’t like the word conspiracy but I suppose…

    Socrates: if you switch white people out for any other group you’d be decrying whomever spoke like you as exceptionally racist.

    Crito: But it is about power. White people have historically always had the power.

    Socrates: again, were I to switch out white for any other group in your statement you’d have an epileptic fit.

    Crito: yes…but white people do have power.

    Socrates: the power to be collectively labelled guilty and evil and punished?

    Crito: um…um…um…that’s not what I meant…we should be more aware or something…read Tennessee Coates…you just like being a contrarian…you’re one of those….want another drink?

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    Tyrion, thank you for a well thought out response.
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  58. bartok says:

    The NYT op-ed contributor has a point. Race/immigration has become a wedge issue in large part because Trump ran on immigration, and because Hillary’s brain trust welcomed Trump and moved to the extreme left (partly in response to Trump and Bernie, partly because they jumped the demographic gun on abandoning Whites).

    Zimmerman and Ferguson weren’t materially different from other media race hoaxes over the decades. It took Trump to complete the partisan shift for liberals on race/immigration.

    Sailerites should view this new wedge issue as a best-case scenario. Wedge issues such as guns, abortion and now race/immigration are the only things that can stand in the way of leftist elite hegemony.

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  59. anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:

    “…a structural view of racial inequality…”

    In other words, “We need more laws”…and behavior modification (via the media). Democrat liberal elites excel at both.

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  60. Travis says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Here is my question - people have been saying for *years* that all the old white people are dying off, and young white progressives and minorities are taking their place. Well alot of damn white people have died in the past 20 years. Yet this supposed calamity has never arrived.

    From my experience, whites aged 35-49 are becoming very conservative, and also more racially aware. I'm not sure where the generation Z will fit in. My friends have moved quite right over the past two years - I used to be the only one espousing right wing views and now nearly all of them are. Yet they still fall for the diversity BS. They may be conservative but they are not racially aware - *yet*.

    Will be interesting to see how things turn out.

    the demographic changes take place at different rates in different states

    California was a Republican leaning state when it was majority white
    The GOP candidate won California in 1960, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992
    but a decade after amnesty they became a solid democratic state.

    it is a simple fact that whites are dying off and America has less white today than in 1980, but as the Democratic party has become hostile toward white people the GOP has attracted more whites which is the reason Trump was able to win the election. Trump may well have saved the GOP but it remains to be seen who will follow his agenda going forward….will there be enough whites to maintain the GOP as a viable national party in 8 years ? or will white death continue to erode the number of whites in America, as the white mortality rate continues to rise each year. More white Americans have died over the last decade than have been born. If this trend continues the demographics of America will be far worse in 20 years time…

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  61. AndrewR says:
    @Travis
    millions of white Boomer democrats have died since 2010 as millions of millennials became adults and democrats during the same time period...thus the democrats from 2011 are not exactly the same as the white democrats today. Every year over 2 million white Americans turn 21 and 2 million whites die each year....thus the 50 million white democrats today includes 10 million millennials who were too young to vote for Obama and we are missing another 10 million democrats who have passed away since 2009

    It’s been 47 years since the minimum voting age in the US was 21.

    Also, Boomers, the oldest of whom are still quite a few years younger than the median American dying on any given day, have never made up a majority of deaths, although that will likely change within the next ten years or so.

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    The oldest boomers are 72, hardly ready to die
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  62. Mr. Anon says:
    @songbird

    there’s not a black America and white America
     
    How many people actually believe that? Doesn't the kneeling during the anthem indicate otherwise?

    How many people actually believe that? Doesn’t the kneeling during the anthem indicate otherwise?

    Actually, it was already apparent from the O.J. Simpson verdict. White America knew he was guilty. Black America knew too, but didn’t care.

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    Black America rejoiced that a 10 out of 12 black jury acquitted him.

    That jury was the result of threats by the black community activists.

    They informed the Mayor, district attorney, council critters chamber of commerce business & real estate communities that if the trial were not removed from the district courthouse in which the crime occurred to the district courthouse in the blackest part of town a riot worse then the Rodney King riots would happen.

    Well, the blacks won that victory. The trial was moved to the blackest district courthouse in town

    One Black was acquitted for the murder of 2 Whites

    But as soon as the agreement to move the trail to the blackest district courthouse, decisions were made at the very highest levels. Not the political levels but the real estate and business community levels to replace S California blacks with Hispanics as son as possible

    And it happened.

    Another good thing is that as black influence declined in S California Jewish influence declines in S California. The Hispanics, Asians and other non Whites can take care of themselves and don’t need Jewish money and leadership at all.

    Even the Russian, Persian and Israeli Jews despise blacks and refuse to join the traditional America Jewish black liberal coalition
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  63. Travis says:
    @Anonym
    I think that's some good analysis. The process of alienating white voters has been in play for over a decade. It is seen here:

    http://prospect.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/white_votes_v_total_votes.jpg

    As relatively apolitical leftist whites are boiled off, the self-hating white leftist remnant of which you speak remains. I think that feeds into the curve that Steve shows, at least partly. So rather than the attitudes changing, with the exodus of more realistic white Dems the extreme white remnant comes into starker relief. For those people, their world consists of the hollywood morality tale rather than what they could see if they looked outside and paid attention. And it also consists of a number of our fellow white demographic, for whom the world is the Eurosphere as it was in the 1950s, or maybe 1933. There aren't many of them, but as a percentage of Dem whites who turnout to vote, it might be up to 10% of their numbers.

    I suspect that the Democrats saw that is was possible to mobilize black turnout, however the level of anti-white animus required to mobilize blacks had unintended consequences, such as losing the election for Hillary. Bill Clinton saw this, his wife didn't.

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2013/05/voter-turnout-rates.png

    does white turnout include the millions of hispanics Americans who identify as white ?

    Last year 2.1 million whites passed away and 2 million whites were born…this trend is increasing, as the boomers approach 80 years-old we will start to see almost 3 million whites dying each year as less than 2 million whites are born each year.

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    does white turnout include the millions of hispanics Americans who identify as white ?

    Which graph are you referring to? Usually for a graph that includes a hispanic category, you can assume that the white category is non-hispanic.

    Last year 2.1 million whites passed away and 2 million whites were born…this trend is increasing, as the boomers approach 80 years-old we will start to see almost 3 million whites dying each year as less than 2 million whites are born each year.

    We can't do much about the members of the Me! generation moving on to a place where they can no longer sell out their countries, but we, personally can control our own TFR. We can choose to have an extra child or two.
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  64. Wow. 40+ years of ever-increasing affirmative action/diversity initiatives/money fo’ dem programs and they blame discrimination now more than ever? Sooooo ungrateful.

    Ya know, it’s almost like there’s a pattern here.

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  65. Jack D says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    This is a natural feature of Leftism. The structure of Leftism is such that it is necessary for followers to follow the Party Line. This is because Leftism is full of inherent contradictions and it is impossible for a follower to reach a correct answer on his or xer own based upon first principles. The only way to get the “right” answer is to receive guidance from the top.

    In the late ’30s, the Party Line was first that Hitler was a threat, then after the Hitler-Stalin Pact, Hitler was fine – we should focus on destroying capitalism and then after the Germans attacked the USSR, that Hitler was awful again. The Party’s positions on other matters could likewise shift on a dime. You had to read the Daily Worker (the equivalent of the NY Times today) in order to know what the Party Line was that week and woe betide any reactionary who was not up on the current Party Line.

    One of the reasons why Hillary Clinton lost credibility with the left wing of the Democrat Party was that she was somewhat anchored to Bill Clinton’s past (and now considered reactionary) policies. Bill himself, in his heyday, was nimble and lovable enough that he could change course and be forgiven but the plodding Hillary always made her policy shifts seem insincere and calculated (which they were, but in a natural politician like Bill you saw only graceful motion and not the gears clanking and grinding away).

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    This is because Leftism is full of inherent contradictions and it is impossible for a follower to reach a correct answer on his or xer own based upon first principles.
     
    And then there's the fact that there aren't any first principles, at least not ones that can be articulated in public.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    One of the reasons why Hillary Clinton lost credibility with the left wing of the Democrat Party was that she was somewhat anchored to Bill Clinton’s past (and now considered reactionary) policies. Bill himself, in his heyday, was nimble and lovable enough that he could change course and be forgiven but the plodding Hillary always made her policy shifts seem insincere and calculated (which they were, but in a natural politician like Bill you saw only graceful motion and not the gears clanking and grinding away).

     

    That's very astute; thanks much.
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  66. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Plenty to loot left in Red America
     
    Speaking of looting (not really OT):

    Baltimore County State's Attorney Scott Shellenberger says 15-year-old Darrell Jaymar Ward, 16-year-old Derrick Eugene Matthews, and 17-year-old Eugene Robert GENIUS IV are charged in the Monday killing of Officer Amy Caprio.

    The three were robbing a house when their getaway driver, 16-year-old Dawnta Anthony Harris, ran 29-year-old Caprio over with a stolen Jeep when she tried to take him into custody.

    While they were not directly involved in Caprio's death, Maryland law indicates they can be held responsible 'for everything that occurs as the result of that burglary,' Shellenberger said.

    ...

    Matthew and Ward allegedly admitted to the burglary when they were interviewed, while Genius initially declined to give a statement. Genius later objected to being charged wit murder, saying he was in the house when the crime occurred and only knew two of the others involved.

     

    Under the so-called "felony murder rule," Eugene Robert "Einstein" Genius IV has basically admitted murder by participating in a felony (burglary) which got somebody killed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5762885/Three-teens-charged-adults-murder-death-female-cop.html

    Genius later objected to being charged wit murder, saying he was in the house when the crime occurred and only knew two of the others involved.

    He was just in the house when it was being robbed? Was he, independently, robbing it himself, when these two other robbers just happened to show up?

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  67. Mr. Anon says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    Good point. They seem remarkably facile when it comes to changing their views, even in the face of simple empirical facts.

    Dudes who say they’re chicks are chicks now? Okie-dokie! Women are absolutely no different than men? Sure! We’ve always believed that!

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  68. Rapparee says:

    America’s big social problem is that there is too much hate in the hearts of white people, especially too much hate in the hearts of white liberals toward other whites.

    The Western Left is angry at working-class whites for refusing to support the Socialist utopia like they were supposed to (though I doubt any of them could consciously articulate this). Commie intellectuals in the 1930s were confident that the Tom Joads of the world were firmly on their side; by the time of the Hard Hat Riot, it was starting to become apparent that the marriage was doomed, and with it all of Communism’s millenarian hopes. This contemporary racial spite is the hatred of a spurned lover, and mass third-world immigration is like the deadbeat boyfriend picked up by a recently-divorced woman desperate for a confidence boost (and the opportunity to humiliate her ex by giving another man his former stuff).

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  69. prusmc says: • Website
    @Flip
    Whites in heavily black Mississippi vote Republican at extremely high rates as whites in homogeneous Vermont do not.

    NOT SO LONG AGO Vermont was a reliable Republican state. Then the NYC crowd moved in and the Howard Dean’s and the Bernie’s took over. VERMONT was a live and let live state with no gun restrictive laws. That changed recently as the liberal left made an issue out of a non-issue.

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  70. @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    Chrisnonymous nails it!

    Yep, the real story here is how “liberals” today easily change their views in a very short period of time to conform to the current orthodoxy.

    It’s not just the ludicrous racial “oppression” stuff, where suddenly–50 years *after* the Civil Rights act–blacks are being held back by insurmontable obstacles from the remanants of the taking-too-damn-long-to-disappear white population.

    Within my kids’ lifetime gay marriage went from a completely whacko fringe position, to an idea worthy of airing in the left political press, to serious political agitation, to something that was progressive, but not required orthodoxy (2008), to–just within the last decade!–something every good thinking person supported, to something that only evil hateful people could oppose, to settled law of the land, to … uninteresting … and on to putting mentally ill boys in girls locker rooms!

    And liberals follow this–”evolve”–every step of the way. And in fact draw their identity from their lemming like following of liberal orthodoxy. I’d call it a “religion”, except calling it that is unfair to people who have come to have actual religious faith–in established and unchanging relevation–and actually work on themselves to live up to their religious precepts. In contrast, “liberalism” now is devoid of any firmly held ideas, but is simply lemming like behavior following a continuously changing orthodoxy and requires no actually work, just “right thinking”. It can only be described as a “cult”. Just a rather huge one.

    Except that that is unfair to people who have sincere,

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    A lot of this is tied to the Lefist tenets of "activism" and "progress". As a Leftist, you can never stand still - you need to break down the walls of injustice. So once you have knocked down one wall, you need to find a new target to demolish. So either you shift from gays to transexuals to (whatever is next - bestiality?) or else you pretend that some old wall (overt racism against blacks) has not been smashed already and you continue to smash at it. You can never declare victory and go home or you would be an unemployed "activist". There is no end state of "progress" that will be good enough. The Beast is insatiable. It can only be fed for today and when it wakes up tomorrow it will need a fresh meal.
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  71. @PiltdownMan
    That’s because they’re not views. They’re feelings.

    By this point, they have become religious beliefs for the irreligious.

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  72. @res
    It is fascinating to juxtapose that fact with their love of "diversity."

    The social justice leftist’s ideal world is a multitude of people of different skin tones, genders, and sexual proclivities…all reflexively thinking exactly alike on every issue and at all times. SJWs most certainly do not want diversity of opinion or thought.

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  73. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.
     
    Chrisnonymous nails it!

    Yep, the real story here is how "liberals" today easily change their views in a very short period of time to conform to the current orthodoxy.

    It's not just the ludicrous racial "oppression" stuff, where suddenly--50 years *after* the Civil Rights act--blacks are being held back by insurmontable obstacles from the remanants of the taking-too-damn-long-to-disappear white population.

    Within my kids' lifetime gay marriage went from a completely whacko fringe position, to an idea worthy of airing in the left political press, to serious political agitation, to something that was progressive, but not required orthodoxy (2008), to--just within the last decade!--something every good thinking person supported, to something that only evil hateful people could oppose, to settled law of the land, to ... uninteresting ... and on to putting mentally ill boys in girls locker rooms!

    And liberals follow this--"evolve"--every step of the way. And in fact draw their identity from their lemming like following of liberal orthodoxy. I'd call it a "religion", except calling it that is unfair to people who have come to have actual religious faith--in established and unchanging relevation--and actually work on themselves to live up to their religious precepts. In contrast, "liberalism" now is devoid of any firmly held ideas, but is simply lemming like behavior following a continuously changing orthodoxy and requires no actually work, just "right thinking". It can only be described as a "cult". Just a rather huge one.



    Except that that is unfair to people who have sincere,

    A lot of this is tied to the Lefist tenets of “activism” and “progress”. As a Leftist, you can never stand still – you need to break down the walls of injustice. So once you have knocked down one wall, you need to find a new target to demolish. So either you shift from gays to transexuals to (whatever is next – bestiality?) or else you pretend that some old wall (overt racism against blacks) has not been smashed already and you continue to smash at it. You can never declare victory and go home or you would be an unemployed “activist”. There is no end state of “progress” that will be good enough. The Beast is insatiable. It can only be fed for today and when it wakes up tomorrow it will need a fresh meal.

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    Best political party name ever: Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI). Nothing says revolution quite like 60+ years of continuous political power: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_Revolutionary_Party
    , @Rosie

    As a Leftist, you can never stand still – you need to break down the walls of injustice.
     
    The Left seems to operate under the illusion that politics is subject to the laws of physics. The tide doesn't stop. It turns. This is what they fear.

    This is unfortunate, because the left can't recognize a satisfactory equilibrium. They just won't quit.
    , @Anonymous
    All revolutions are like this, until a "Stalin" or "Mao" comes along and shoots everybody who crosses a particular line.
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  74. JamesG says: • Website

    Lysenkoism is the “creationism” of the Left.

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  75. res says:
    @Jack D
    A lot of this is tied to the Lefist tenets of "activism" and "progress". As a Leftist, you can never stand still - you need to break down the walls of injustice. So once you have knocked down one wall, you need to find a new target to demolish. So either you shift from gays to transexuals to (whatever is next - bestiality?) or else you pretend that some old wall (overt racism against blacks) has not been smashed already and you continue to smash at it. You can never declare victory and go home or you would be an unemployed "activist". There is no end state of "progress" that will be good enough. The Beast is insatiable. It can only be fed for today and when it wakes up tomorrow it will need a fresh meal.

    Best political party name ever: Mexico’s Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI). Nothing says revolution quite like 60+ years of continuous political power: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_Revolutionary_Party

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  77. Rosie says:
    @Jack D
    This is a natural feature of Leftism. The structure of Leftism is such that it is necessary for followers to follow the Party Line. This is because Leftism is full of inherent contradictions and it is impossible for a follower to reach a correct answer on his or xer own based upon first principles. The only way to get the "right" answer is to receive guidance from the top.

    In the late '30s, the Party Line was first that Hitler was a threat, then after the Hitler-Stalin Pact, Hitler was fine - we should focus on destroying capitalism and then after the Germans attacked the USSR, that Hitler was awful again. The Party's positions on other matters could likewise shift on a dime. You had to read the Daily Worker (the equivalent of the NY Times today) in order to know what the Party Line was that week and woe betide any reactionary who was not up on the current Party Line.

    One of the reasons why Hillary Clinton lost credibility with the left wing of the Democrat Party was that she was somewhat anchored to Bill Clinton's past (and now considered reactionary) policies. Bill himself, in his heyday, was nimble and lovable enough that he could change course and be forgiven but the plodding Hillary always made her policy shifts seem insincere and calculated (which they were, but in a natural politician like Bill you saw only graceful motion and not the gears clanking and grinding away).

    This is because Leftism is full of inherent contradictions and it is impossible for a follower to reach a correct answer on his or xer own based upon first principles.

    And then there’s the fact that there aren’t any first principles, at least not ones that can be articulated in public.

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  78. Rosie says:
    @Jack D
    A lot of this is tied to the Lefist tenets of "activism" and "progress". As a Leftist, you can never stand still - you need to break down the walls of injustice. So once you have knocked down one wall, you need to find a new target to demolish. So either you shift from gays to transexuals to (whatever is next - bestiality?) or else you pretend that some old wall (overt racism against blacks) has not been smashed already and you continue to smash at it. You can never declare victory and go home or you would be an unemployed "activist". There is no end state of "progress" that will be good enough. The Beast is insatiable. It can only be fed for today and when it wakes up tomorrow it will need a fresh meal.

    As a Leftist, you can never stand still – you need to break down the walls of injustice.

    The Left seems to operate under the illusion that politics is subject to the laws of physics. The tide doesn’t stop. It turns. This is what they fear.

    This is unfortunate, because the left can’t recognize a satisfactory equilibrium. They just won’t quit.

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  79. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    A lot of this is tied to the Lefist tenets of "activism" and "progress". As a Leftist, you can never stand still - you need to break down the walls of injustice. So once you have knocked down one wall, you need to find a new target to demolish. So either you shift from gays to transexuals to (whatever is next - bestiality?) or else you pretend that some old wall (overt racism against blacks) has not been smashed already and you continue to smash at it. You can never declare victory and go home or you would be an unemployed "activist". There is no end state of "progress" that will be good enough. The Beast is insatiable. It can only be fed for today and when it wakes up tomorrow it will need a fresh meal.

    All revolutions are like this, until a “Stalin” or “Mao” comes along and shoots everybody who crosses a particular line.

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  80. My parents were still democrats in the ‘90s and being in unions they strongly opposed amnesty, and the 1990 immigration Act and voted for Clinton and Gore and Kerry ….yet they finally abandoned the Democrats in 2012 and would now be listed as Republicans….would be interesting to note how many white democrats from 1994 are now Trump backers…

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  81. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    The meta-story here, which is even more interesting, is how and why liberals change their views so easily and quickly.

    My theory is that the brain of a liberal is a sink. Every once in a while liberal propaganda central opens the plug and drains out the previous propaganda.

    Liberal propaganda central then puts the plug back in, turns on the taps and fills up the empty sink with the latest propaganda.

    Liberals are the perfect marketing target for products, fads and activities because they will believe anything.

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  82. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H
    In the late 1960s, early 1970s it was at least as likely that Democrats opposed liberalizing abortion as Republicans did. In certain areas it was significantly more likely that Democrats opposed such. By the year 2000 one could compile a long list of Democrats who were against abortion before they were for it: Kennedy, Gephardt, Dodd, Cuomo, Jesse Jackson, and many more.

    Abortion eliminates Democrat voters before they are born.

    Abortion has eliminated millions of non White criminals, 4th generation life long welfare parasites and affirmative action dregs entitled to college admissions, SBA loans jobs tax exemptions and other privileges denied to Whites because we are White.

    Legal cheap abortion is the only good thing our government has done for Whites since the satanic abomination of Brown vs Topeka 1956.

    It’s not a question of conservative* vs liberals any more Sibce 1968 it’s been Whites vs the government, media, religion, academia, education, entertainment , capitalism and the business community.

    Conservative equals losers except for the 2nd amendment and that’s only survived because the NRA wants to keep selling its product.

    BTW, it’s not White feninazis who have abortions. They use birth control. It’s the enemies of Whites who get abortions.

    Only fools believe conservatives whatever they are are pro White.

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  83. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @newrouter
    The purge of the "honkies" from the Democratic party will result in a party that is stupid and evil.

    The Democrats have been stupid and evil since Kennedy died and radical anti white Lyndon Johnson and his VP Humphrey took over.

    Virtually everything the Democrats have done since 1964 has been anti White.

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  84. Chebyshev says:

    My theory for white liberals’ increased concern about social justice, is that, first, they invested a lot of hope in President Obama. They thought he would shatter an important glass ceiling, promote blacks, and inspire other blacks to succeed economically. This would demonstrate that blacks could thrive if given the opportunity.

    But, inequalities between whites and blacks remained, so, in order to avoid any seriously unpleasant topics from arising, Democratic politicians, but more importantly, entertainment and media people, via movies, TV, magazines, newspapers, reminded us all that those racial inequalities persist only because of racism, and any other possibility is unacceptable.

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  85. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @3g4me
    @38 Anon7: "“open borders and unlimited immigration have ruined black job opportunities, and deliberately manipulative welfare laws have ruined black initiative, for the past three generations.”

    Negroes have never demonstrated initiative in their entire history in America. Many of the freed slaves starved because they had no concept of working for a living. While I find American employment of foreigners (with or without magic papers) contemptible, I can still understand an employer's preference for more industrious and less litigious browns as opposed to perennially aggrieved blacks.

    "There are a significant number of black conservatives who are starting to point this out to their fellow blacks, especially now that historically low unemployment in the black community is showing people what they’ve been missing."

    I do NOT CARE about the 'black community' or the black unemployment rate. I care about White Americans. There's a variety of terms for people who like to employ the DR3 argument and/or suggest appealing to the 'natural conservatism' of various non-Whites - and none of them are complimentary. Besides, Sailer's site is about HBD if it's about anything, and TruConCucks 'don't see race' ---- so your presence here is a grievous offense to your respectable credentials.

    I agree, agree, agree, with you. I don’t give a rat’s a$$ about blacks or any other group but White nationalist Whites

    I do appreciate the fact that so many affirmative action blacks have been replaced in government and other jobs by polite civilized competent efficient Hispanics.

    White conservatives who only voice objection to immigration because it takes dishwasher jobs away from blacks are beyond contempt

    When White conservatives start expressing concern about the fact the White physicians are rapidly being replaced by non White immigrant physicians I might respect them.

    Until then, they are as stupid and contemptible as White hating White liberals

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  86. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    It's been 47 years since the minimum voting age in the US was 21.

    Also, Boomers, the oldest of whom are still quite a few years younger than the median American dying on any given day, have never made up a majority of deaths, although that will likely change within the next ten years or so.

    The oldest boomers are 72, hardly ready to die

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    At 71, sometimes I sure do feel like I’m fixin’ to die.
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  87. Anonym says:
    @Travis
    does white turnout include the millions of hispanics Americans who identify as white ?

    Last year 2.1 million whites passed away and 2 million whites were born...this trend is increasing, as the boomers approach 80 years-old we will start to see almost 3 million whites dying each year as less than 2 million whites are born each year.

    does white turnout include the millions of hispanics Americans who identify as white ?

    Which graph are you referring to? Usually for a graph that includes a hispanic category, you can assume that the white category is non-hispanic.

    Last year 2.1 million whites passed away and 2 million whites were born…this trend is increasing, as the boomers approach 80 years-old we will start to see almost 3 million whites dying each year as less than 2 million whites are born each year.

    We can’t do much about the members of the Me! generation moving on to a place where they can no longer sell out their countries, but we, personally can control our own TFR. We can choose to have an extra child or two.

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    I would always assume the White category includes the millions of hispanics who identify as white, even when they have a separate hispanic category....only when the White category is labeled Non-Hispanic White can we be sure they excluded the millions of white hispanics i.e. George Zimmerman.

    the 2010 census makes this quite clear.

    they list the number of white births as 3 million but have another category labeled Non-Hispanic Whites which counted just 2 million whites being born in 2010 (based on the race and ethnicity of the mother) so we know less than 2 million whites were born , because white females often have children with non-whites and when they do the children are never considered to be White.
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  88. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    How many people actually believe that? Doesn’t the kneeling during the anthem indicate otherwise?
     
    Actually, it was already apparent from the O.J. Simpson verdict. White America knew he was guilty. Black America knew too, but didn't care.

    Black America rejoiced that a 10 out of 12 black jury acquitted him.

    That jury was the result of threats by the black community activists.

    They informed the Mayor, district attorney, council critters chamber of commerce business & real estate communities that if the trial were not removed from the district courthouse in which the crime occurred to the district courthouse in the blackest part of town a riot worse then the Rodney King riots would happen.

    Well, the blacks won that victory. The trial was moved to the blackest district courthouse in town

    One Black was acquitted for the murder of 2 Whites

    But as soon as the agreement to move the trail to the blackest district courthouse, decisions were made at the very highest levels. Not the political levels but the real estate and business community levels to replace S California blacks with Hispanics as son as possible

    And it happened.

    Another good thing is that as black influence declined in S California Jewish influence declines in S California. The Hispanics, Asians and other non Whites can take care of themselves and don’t need Jewish money and leadership at all.

    Even the Russian, Persian and Israeli Jews despise blacks and refuse to join the traditional America Jewish black liberal coalition

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  89. @Tyrion 2
    White privilege = evil white conspiracy.

    Institutional racism = evil white conspiracy in specific institution.

    Systemic racism = evil white conspirators are so evil, their hate spills out in unpleasant and obvious ways.

    White oppression = equals the cumulation of the three above.

    Implicit bias = inherent white evil.

    All of these terms are used as justifications for collective punishment and/or humiliation. That is all they are in practice.

    Crito: we need to act to remediate the institutional racism that is holding Indians back and the white privilege that is unfairly advantaging white people.

    Socrates: don't we already punish individual acts of racial discrimination?

    Crito: yes, but it is systemic.

    Socrates: is there a difference between systemic and collective in the way you are using systemic?

    Crito:...

    Socrates: you are claiming that white people are collectively guilty of a hidden conspiracy to further white people and disadvantage Indians.

    Crito: I don't like the word conspiracy but I suppose...

    Socrates: if you switch white people out for any other group you'd be decrying whomever spoke like you as exceptionally racist.

    Crito: But it is about power. White people have historically always had the power.

    Socrates: again, were I to switch out white for any other group in your statement you'd have an epileptic fit.

    Crito: yes...but white people do have power.

    Socrates: the power to be collectively labelled guilty and evil and punished?

    Crito: um...um...um...that's not what I meant...we should be more aware or something...read Tennessee Coates...you just like being a contrarian...you're one of those....want another drink?

    Tyrion, thank you for a well thought out response.

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  90. @President Barbicane
    It sounds like most white democrats who don't have extreme left wing racial views have become republicans; part of this could be due to Donald Trump.

    Not necessarily.

    These days many people, on the left and on the right, choose their sides and often choose their opinions based on what side they are on.

    A few years ago, almost as many Democrats favored building a wall as were opposed to building a wall. These days it is about 80-20 against.

    I don’t think that many Democrats abandoned ship.

    What changed in that time?

    A few years ago, one could be a Good Democrat and a Good Liberal and still believe in building a wall. Nowadays it is becoming increasingly difficult for those of us who are both Democrats and believers in the Rule of Law.

    Or, to be more concise — if Trump is for it, Democrats are against it.

    And don’t pretend this doesn’t happen on the right as well. The only thing more bizarre than the wife of Bill Clinton, who set up the Jordan Commission, running on an open borders platform in 2016 was Mitt Romney running against RomneyCare in 2012. Obama was for it, so Republicans were against it.

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  91. TheJester says:
    @George
    "How many people actually believe that?"

    I think if you look at demographics there is much less white and black America than in the past.

    BTW, Who let those Pagourtzis' into the country?

    I think if you look at demographics there is much less white and black America than in the past.

    I disagree. I was in the university in the 1960s. Then, there was the hopeful, common assumption that the only difference between blacks and whites was a suntan. Our efforts toward racial reconciliation were based on that. It was a workable way forward.

    Today (post Barack Obama), blacks have made clear that it is also about their African culture, their version of their historic victimization, and their demand for reparations. They might be co-resident in our institutions, but they demand segregation … the kind linked to claims of perpetual victimization and perpetual reparations.

    They are in your face until you pay up. It’s become a “pay-to-play” protection racket.

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  92. @Jack D
    This is a natural feature of Leftism. The structure of Leftism is such that it is necessary for followers to follow the Party Line. This is because Leftism is full of inherent contradictions and it is impossible for a follower to reach a correct answer on his or xer own based upon first principles. The only way to get the "right" answer is to receive guidance from the top.

    In the late '30s, the Party Line was first that Hitler was a threat, then after the Hitler-Stalin Pact, Hitler was fine - we should focus on destroying capitalism and then after the Germans attacked the USSR, that Hitler was awful again. The Party's positions on other matters could likewise shift on a dime. You had to read the Daily Worker (the equivalent of the NY Times today) in order to know what the Party Line was that week and woe betide any reactionary who was not up on the current Party Line.

    One of the reasons why Hillary Clinton lost credibility with the left wing of the Democrat Party was that she was somewhat anchored to Bill Clinton's past (and now considered reactionary) policies. Bill himself, in his heyday, was nimble and lovable enough that he could change course and be forgiven but the plodding Hillary always made her policy shifts seem insincere and calculated (which they were, but in a natural politician like Bill you saw only graceful motion and not the gears clanking and grinding away).

    One of the reasons why Hillary Clinton lost credibility with the left wing of the Democrat Party was that she was somewhat anchored to Bill Clinton’s past (and now considered reactionary) policies. Bill himself, in his heyday, was nimble and lovable enough that he could change course and be forgiven but the plodding Hillary always made her policy shifts seem insincere and calculated (which they were, but in a natural politician like Bill you saw only graceful motion and not the gears clanking and grinding away).

    That’s very astute; thanks much.

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  93. A really interesting survey would be of where white liberals live and the lives they in practice live.

    I would be willing to bet that very few live amongst the Joy of Diversity they supposedly embrace. Rather, they live in very white worlds. In Britain a good example is provided by a well known BBC broadcaster Adrian Chiles. In 2003 Chiles write this in the Daily Telegraph :

    “ The thought struck me as I was looking through my wedding photos recently: why is it that I have no black or Asian friends? I work with some black people, I socialise with them, but when I looked at the pictures of the 131 guests at my wedding, I was shocked to find that there wasn’t a single non-white face among them. I consider myself a fairly liberal, open-minded chap, so the demographic of my circle of friends was quite troubling. I decided to investigate further, and scrolled down the 99 names in my mobile phone’s memory, to find that there is only one black person on the list – a television producer whom I work with.

    “ It’s not that I haven’t come into contact with many black or Asian people during my life. I grew up in the West Midlands, which is home to the largest non-white communities outside the capital. And I now live in Hammersmith, a decidedly multi-racial area of west London. Yet, when Petal Felix, the aforementioned producer, came to visit me to discuss the possibility of making a documentary on the very subject that was causing me such concern, I was horrified to realise she was the first black person who’d ever been to my house. “

    The full story can be found here https://englandcalling.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/the-chiles-test-for-white-liberal-racial-hypocrisy/

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  94. Flip says:
    @prusmc
    NOT SO LONG AGO Vermont was a reliable Republican state. Then the NYC crowd moved in and the Howard Dean's and the Bernie's took over. VERMONT was a live and let live state with no gun restrictive laws. That changed recently as the liberal left made an issue out of a non-issue.

    I’m pulling for the Free Staters to make New Hampshire (more) libertarian, but it sounds like the immigrants from Massachusetts are winning.

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  95. Travis says:
    @Beliavsky
    I wonder why Steve did not point out a third reason for black underperformance other than discrimination or willpower -- lower average IQ. Believing that IQ rather than willpower is the main problem should actually make one more sympathetic towards blacks, but for some reason the IQ theory is considered the most dangerous.

    very true…and I think many regular Americans have been sympathetic towards Blacks because they know this to be true. They believe Blacks lack of success in America is a result of their lower intelligence not because they are lazy. Bu there are multiple reasons Blacks continue to struggle, lower IQ being just one factor. Blacks also have other traits which hurt their chances and 60 years of leftist ideology in our schools and the media which promote hatred against whites has made the plight of Blacks much worse. Our schools teach Blacks to blame whites for their failures, and go to great lengths to increase their already elevated self-esteem…such a toxic combination produces harmful results.

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  96. Travis says:
    @Anonym
    does white turnout include the millions of hispanics Americans who identify as white ?

    Which graph are you referring to? Usually for a graph that includes a hispanic category, you can assume that the white category is non-hispanic.

    Last year 2.1 million whites passed away and 2 million whites were born…this trend is increasing, as the boomers approach 80 years-old we will start to see almost 3 million whites dying each year as less than 2 million whites are born each year.

    We can't do much about the members of the Me! generation moving on to a place where they can no longer sell out their countries, but we, personally can control our own TFR. We can choose to have an extra child or two.

    I would always assume the White category includes the millions of hispanics who identify as white, even when they have a separate hispanic category….only when the White category is labeled Non-Hispanic White can we be sure they excluded the millions of white hispanics i.e. George Zimmerman.

    the 2010 census makes this quite clear.

    they list the number of white births as 3 million but have another category labeled Non-Hispanic Whites which counted just 2 million whites being born in 2010 (based on the race and ethnicity of the mother) so we know less than 2 million whites were born , because white females often have children with non-whites and when they do the children are never considered to be White.

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  97. Flip says:
    @Anon
    Black America rejoiced that a 10 out of 12 black jury acquitted him.

    That jury was the result of threats by the black community activists.

    They informed the Mayor, district attorney, council critters chamber of commerce business & real estate communities that if the trial were not removed from the district courthouse in which the crime occurred to the district courthouse in the blackest part of town a riot worse then the Rodney King riots would happen.

    Well, the blacks won that victory. The trial was moved to the blackest district courthouse in town

    One Black was acquitted for the murder of 2 Whites

    But as soon as the agreement to move the trail to the blackest district courthouse, decisions were made at the very highest levels. Not the political levels but the real estate and business community levels to replace S California blacks with Hispanics as son as possible

    And it happened.

    Another good thing is that as black influence declined in S California Jewish influence declines in S California. The Hispanics, Asians and other non Whites can take care of themselves and don’t need Jewish money and leadership at all.

    Even the Russian, Persian and Israeli Jews despise blacks and refuse to join the traditional America Jewish black liberal coalition

    Where have LA blacks been going?

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  98. A bit of a false dichotomy in that graph, there.

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  99. MBlanc46 says:
    @Oswald Spengler
    By this point, they have become religious beliefs for the irreligious.

    Leftist politics as a replacement for Christianity is a subject that really should have some serious study.

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  100. MBlanc46 says:
    @Anon
    The oldest boomers are 72, hardly ready to die

    At 71, sometimes I sure do feel like I’m fixin’ to die.

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