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From the New York Times Opinion page:

A Racist Attack Shows How Whiteness Evolves

An assault at a New Jersey high school football game had an unexpected cast of characters.

By Nell Irvin Painter
Dr. Painter is the author of “The History of White People.”

Oct. 26, 2019, 10:00 a.m. ET

Two 17-year-old boys accused of harassing four African-American middle schoolgirls — using racial slurs and urinating on one of the victims — are facing charges including bias intimidation and lewdness.

The incident, which took place during an Oct. 18 high school football game in the New Jersey suburb of Lawrence Township and was partly captured on a video that circulated on social media, involves a cast of characters that has given some observers pause: Police say the boys are of Indian descent.

American Indian or Asian Indian? I’m guessing the latter, but you’d think the NYT might consider that worth de-ambiguizing.

While it’s tempting to see the reported ethnicity of the boys suspected in the assault as complicating the story and raising questions about whether the assault should be thought of as racist, I look at it through a different lens.

I.e., a simplistic lens.

Instead of asking what the boys’ reported racial identity tells us about the nature of the attack, we should see the boys as enacting American whiteness through anti-black assault in a very traditional way. In doing so, the assailants are demonstrating how race is a social construct that people make through their actions. They show race in the making, and show how race is something we perform, not just something we are in our blood or in the color of our skin.

At first blush, this reported assault sounds nauseatingly familiar, like the run-of-the-mill American racial harassment that has always been common but has become increasingly revealed thanks to videos shared on social media.

Like Jussie Smollett, Tawana Brawley, all those videos on World Star Hip Hop.

The boys’ actions resemble those of people who feel empowered to act out their resentment against nonwhite people who are deemed out of place, confronting them with hostility or slurs or calling the police. The people patrolling what they see as their spaces are often — but not always — white. The Yale sociologist Elijah Anderson calls areas that are policed in this way, “the white space,” even though the spaces in question are officially public. The experiences of black people accused of these purported infractions have acquired a panoply of names that capture the absurdity of facing such hostility while innocently carrying out everyday activities: driving while black, barbecuing while black, walking while black, sitting at home while black. The encounters often end with violent — too often, fatal — outcomes.

In the New Jersey incident, the heritage or skin color of the boys suspected of the assault doesn’t matter. What matters is that they were participating in this pattern and thus enacting whiteness in a very traditional way.

The way in which whiteness is labeled has changed over time, with relevant categories morphing from Teutonic to Saxon to Anglo-Saxon to Caucasian to Nordic to WASP to white to white-ethnic as the society changes, as politics change. As tempting as it is to assume that races are boxes that people fit in once and for all, that kind of thinking is too simplistic, too lazy to help us understand American history and culture.

Since the 1960s, some Americans from the Caribbean and Latin American have expressed that they don’t fit into the traditional black/white binary. At this point, we should wonder if or how other Americans might find places in the black/white traditions. Will Latinos of various skin colors come to consider themselves black or white? What about Asians of various skin colors?

To find out, we should observe their actions. Or how they perform race.

Multicultural New Jersey holds worlds enough to carry national, if not global significance — my state makes people from everywhere into Americans. Here, people of South Asian descent, like people from many other backgrounds, have skin colors that vary widely, from very dark to very light, and women are often subject to aggressive colorism. Further, they cannot be lumped together by class. The business pages of local newspapers feature powerful, wealthy men of South Asian descent and, at the same time, rush-hour NJ Transit trains include people of South Asian descent among the masses of working stiffs commuting to and from New York City.

Hmmhmmhmm … maybe the New York Times should just call them “Aryan youths”?

For a clue on how American racial identity is evolving, it may be less useful to look to clues like complexion, and more to the performance of identity. The performance here — flinging around the N-word, with the befoulment of urination — holds an answer. One potent way of being American, no matter where you or your parents are from, is enacting anti-blackness. And traditionally, acting out anti-blackness has meant acting white.

Nell Irvin Painter is the author of “The History of White People.”

I generally don’t quote an entire article, but each and every word in this New York Times piece deserves attention.

As I’ve mentioned once or twice over the years, discourse is dumbing down to the childish question of Who Are the Good People and Who Are the Bad People?

You can tell who are the Bad People because they look more like Donald Trump, while the less like Donald Trump, the Better.

 
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  1. Anti-white bigotry is institutionalised, exhibit #5403.

    • Agree: Thea, Ash Williams
  2. South Asians Harass Blacks, Whites Are To Blame Too?

  3. Anon[101] • Disclaimer says:

    Spell check the headline, Steve.

  4. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:

    Razib tweeted something to the effect that Indians learn anti black racism before they come to the US. Is he referring to “black” Indians, those super dark skinned, yet Caucasian featured, Indians?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  5. JimDandy says:

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I don’t care if a public intellectual is white, black, purple or polka -dotted, but I draw the line at mentally-retarded public intellectuals. Call me old fashioned, say I’m behind the times, but I think our public intellectuals should possess, at the very least, average intelligence. I just think mentally-retarded intellectuals are problematic.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  6. What a despicable human being……blame whitey for all things.

    BUT what this really proves is that what she claims is happening, all day every day everywhere you look, really isn’t happening and she has to invent a reason why other POC act as they do……..so blame whiteness.

    Racism of the type she claims is becoming so rare that it now has to be found on the micro level, hence the term microaggression. White people (and only white people) being racist and not even knowing it.

    Basically what’s going on can be summed up in this quote by a man who doesn’t seem to get the attention he deserves…….without her hate and particular form of racism she’d be out of a job.

    There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.
    Booker T. Washington

    • Replies: @nymom
  7. Sleep says:

    At first blush, I’d say what these teenagers did went beyond mere lewdness. They committed assault. On a group of children presumably much younger than themselves. Assuming the report is true, that is. I’m surprised the author didn’t spend more time talking about what they did to those young kids.
    ….Or does it not matter what they did precisely because the perps weren’t white?

  8. usually the NY Times is a little. more subtle than this. I mean, we all know how much they hate the goyims, but they usually aren’t this foaming at the mouth about it. This is like way more extreme in tone than a Paul Kersey article with none of the grounding in objective reality.

  9. “this week two Indians attacked a black. Now let me tell you how this relates to the fact that whites are all evil and basically subhuman.”

  10. … Whites Are to Blame

  11. I was wondering how the NYT crowd was going to play this one. I figured little jabs at white legacy would be made, but I didn’t see this level of brazenness. Is this author just really dumb? Does he confuse Law and Order SVU episodes with the news such that he is nauseated with news of white on black attacks like this?

  12. ic1000 says:

    When will the NYT open a new front against the crumbling normie resistance by highlighting a violent attack by blacks upon whites in the spirit of Professor Painter — as the consequence of the maimed (or dead) victims’ anti-black racism?

    Or has that already happened?

  13. pirelli says:

    The author of this piece, Nell Irvin Painter, is married to a white man from Kansas named Glenn Shafer, a mathematician who is the co-creator of the Dempster-Shafer theory. This would seem to suggest no racial animus against whites, at least on a personal level, on the part of the author. How much of all this tedious “whiteness” theorizing, including especially this attribution to whites of wrongful acts committed by non-whites, could be best understood as an “angels on the head of a pin”-type intellectual exercise performed by academics, with basically good intentions, who are simply operating based the set of premises they’ve been given? And relatedly, how much of this theory could be successfully countered by arguments that don’t appeal to racial identity, but instead to universal principles?

  14. syonredux says:

    Well, it’s not as though Blacks and South Asians get along without friction outside the USA:

    In early August 1972, the President of Uganda, Idi Amin, ordered the expulsion of his country’s South Asian minority, giving them 90 days to leave the country.[1] At the time of the expulsion, there were approximately 80,000 individuals of South Asian descent (mostly Gujaratis[2][3]) in Uganda, of whom 23,000 had had their applications for citizenship both processed and accepted.[4] Although the latter were ultimately exempted from the expulsion, many chose to leave voluntarily.[5] The expulsion took place against a backdrop of Indophobia in Uganda, with Amin accusing a minority of the Asian population of disloyalty, non-integration and commercial malpractice, claims Indian leaders disputed.[4] Amin defended the expulsion by arguing that he was “giving Uganda back to ethnic Ugandans”.[5]

    By the early 1970s, many Indians in Southeast Africa and Uganda were employed in the sartorial and banking businesses[citation needed] and Indophobia was already engrained by the start of Amin’s rule in February 1971.[4] While not all Ugandan Asians were well off, they were on average better off than the indigenous communities,[4] constituting 1% of the population while receiving a fifth of the national income.[citation needed] Indians were stereotyped as “merely traders” and labelled as “dukawallas” (an occupational term that degenerated into an anti-Indian slur during Amin’s time[citation needed]), who tried to cheat unsuspecting purchasers and looked out only for their own families.[8] Conversely, it was “not unusual to find that Indians possessed attitudes of superiority and negative pictures of the ability and efficiency of Africans”.[8] Racial segregation was institutionalised.[8] Gated ethnic communities served elite healthcare and schooling services. Additionally, the tariff system in Uganda had historically been oriented toward the economic interests of South Asian traders.[9]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Asians_from_Uganda

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Tony
  15. Tiny Duck says:

    I wish People of Color would come together to fight the evils of whiteness

    The article is not that bad. Some asians try too hard to assimilate and mimic the behavior of white males

    Remember the British invented the caste system

    This is why demographic change is necessary

    One good thing is that Trump will be impeached as he has committed treason

  16. I would expect that this NYT op-ed would alienate and repel most people who read it, or read about it. I’m sure there is a small percentage of the country who loves this white bashing op-ed, but I suspect most people, even most liberals, would find this crazy.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  17. mc86 says:

    So I guess that means the indian kids think whiteness is like the Brahmin caste. Who knew?

  18. Dear Steve:

    If I were to have espied two South Asian boys setting four African-American middle school girls ablaze in some sort of sick suttee (aren’t they *all* sick?), I would have not so much as micturated in their general direction. Also, one should not call the police an incident such as the one described in the NYT lest he/she/it commit a Type I (?) Becky Error (perhaps the girls *wanted* to be urinated upon) and/or precipitate something like an Amritsar-on-Amistad event.

    Furthermore, the tale has a kind of Tawana Brawley-covered-in-feces hoax feel to it. Many good South Asian boys prefer to *drink* their *own* urine and if they were to defecate on some black persons, it could be because they had innocently assumed that the girls were of a lower caste and therefore obligated to cheerfully dispose of said Brahmin or Dravidian droppings.

    It’s true that my writing has suffered greatly, particularly with use of the subjunctive, but that’s to be expected when one is dead. OTOH (am I using that correctly?), unlike Lady Astor, I’m not in Hell and have an eternity of time for drinking.

    Your Grace’s (am uncertain about the gender of “Steve”) Most Faithful Obedient Servant,
    Winston Churchill

    • Replies: @indocon
  19. One potent way of being American, no matter where you or your parents are from, is enacting anti-blackness.

    Like that iconic American, Gandhi.

    and urinating on one of the victims…

    …the boys are of Indian descent.

    Isn’t “boy” racist? Anyway, public elimination is less an American tradition than a subcontinental one.

    By Nell Irvin Painter

    Nell Irvin Painter = Irrelevant. Nil. Nip.

  20. And the coalition of the fringes suffers another inconvenient eruption. This reminds me of the black-Korean dustups in NYC and LA in the late 80s early 90s. As I recall, that was not blamed on whites, but rather almost entirely on Koreans. You don’t hear about it much anymore. In NYC Koreans largely closed their stores and left. I’m not sure if they did that in LA too.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  21. istevefan says:

    Deport them.

    • Replies: @reactionry
    , @Ed
  22. nebulafox says:

    Oh, please. Contempt for black people is omnipresent and casual throughout Asia, the subcontinent included. The inevitable local media sensationalism about things like the (real) deplorable state of American inner cities naturally adds fuel to this, but when you are dealing with societies that have not been bombarded with critical race theory, don’t be surprised when views that don’t pass proggie muster result.

    This should have already been obvious by 1992, when the Korean grocers did what you are damned well *supposed to do* without a second thought when faced with people who wish your family ill. It’s a guy like Matt Yglesias’ reaction to being mugged that most normal people in most societies at most points in history would find deeply weird.

    Bottom line: weirdly enough, mass importation of people from cultures far more racist/indifferent/realistic (these three categories are far from mutually exclusive) than white Americans have been for at least half a century is not likely going to prove to be a positive development for black Americans, long-term! Who’da thunk it?

    • Replies: @Ed
    , @anonymous
    , @Mr McKenna
  23. Ed says:

    I doubt the boys were thinking any of this crap. It’s amazing to me how the NYT allows black writers to use singular cases as a launching pad for them to blame or indict white people.

    Will we ever get an op-ed from a relative of a murder victim committed by blacks that blames blacks for the preponderance of violent crime in this country?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  24. Dtbb says:

    I fear I am becoming inured to this blatant hate. How do I prevent that and fight back? Read Kipling?

    • Replies: @Whitney
  25. Whiskey says: • Website

    Bottom line. You and I and every other White man will have to decide. After posing as Black like Talcum X or Hispanic has failed via DNA test. Decide.

    Decide to go into the boxcar peacefully or not.

    White women won’t have to make that choice of course.

    • Agree: byrresheim
  26. Ed says:
    @istevefan

    That reminds me did they ever deport the Indian kid that was blamed for the gay white boy killing himself by jumping off the GW bridge?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  27. Aesop says:

    Two guys in a car watch the car in front of them almost hit another car…

    Dude 1: Holy crap! Why are women allowed to drive? They can’t do it! Every single time I see something happen this stupid, it’s a goddamned woman driver!

    Dude 2: Dude… that was a man driving…

    Dude 1: Okay, but he DRIVES like a fricking woman!

  28. Paul says:

    “One potent way of being American, no matter where you or your parents are from, is enacting anti-blackness.”

    Is that why so many African blacks desire immigrating to America? They must be masochists.

  29. @Sleep

    “Assuming the report is true…”

    I realize it says the incident was “partly” captured on a video, but I’m not buying any of it, definitely not the urinating part.

    I suspect it’s middle school kids teasing younger middle school kids, possibly making fun of their hair or clothes.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  30. MBlanc46 says:

    Of course they’re white. Their skin color doesn’t matter. I guess you have to be a Princeton prof to fully grasp that.

  31. Andy says:

    I think the current zeitgeist is to have Asians and Latinos worship blacks the same way white liberals do, but this is proving difficult as most of them see the emperor is naked – the disfunctionality of African American culture and family structure is too obvious to ignore and Asians and Latinos have no historical guilt toward blacks

    • Agree: SunBakedSuburb
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  32. MBlanc46 says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    I wish that you were correct, but it sure looks to me as if you’re wrong. Princeton made this daft woman a professor because she can come up with this stuff. The principal American newspaper prints it. This is not the lunatic fringe we’re talking about, but the most prestigious institutions in the republic.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, Alden
    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
  33. Kronos says:
    @bigdicknick

    Are you really surprised? The NYT will continue down this path. I’m surprised they didn’t do this 5 years ago. The NYT hasn’t hit rock bottom yet. They won’t give up on this anti-white smack anytime soon.

  34. American Indian or Asian Indian?

    The NY Times would never use the former – it’s always Native American or indigenous people.

  35. Dave2 says:

    “we should wonder if or how other [paperwork] Americans might find places in the black/white traditions.”

    They won’t; they’ll keep the traditions of their home countries, one of which is the near-global consensus that black Africans are disgusting subhuman vermin, an attitude that non-whites make no attempt to conceal.

    The end of WASP America is the end of the civil-rights movement because these “new Americans” have zero tolerance for jigaboo dysfunction. Just wait until the African tradition of stealing things collides with the Muslim tradition of unhanding thieves!

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  36. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    While it’s tempting to see the reported ethnicity of the boys suspected in the assault as complicating the story and raising questions about whether the assault should be thought of as racist, I look at it through a different lens.

    Is the author saying Indians can’t be racist, or that nobody but whites can be racist?

    Are we actually sure this happened? Do we have unedited raw footage that shows the incident with landmarks that locals can easily identify? Because I feel like we’ve been down this road a few dozen times and I don’t really want to google “Indian urinates on black teen”, because I feel anyone who does should end up on some kind of watch list.

    Here the NYT is sadly behind the times. Eighteen months ago, Canada’s version of the NYT had an editorial by their resident whiny brown lady about how Chinese racism against blacks was really the white man’s fault(link)Bonus Points for an Ibram Xendi appearance.

    Also, if whiteness means abusing POC, does that mean these Indian lads were guilty of cultural appropriation?

  37. The way in which whiteness is labeled has changed over time, with relevant categories morphing from Teutonic to Saxon to Anglo-Saxon to Caucasian to Nordic to WASP to white to white-ethnic as the society changes, as politics change.

    What does this even mean?

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Mr McKenna
  38. Paul says:

    New York Times article: “And traditionally, acting out anti-blackness has meant acting white.”

    Traditionally, acting out anti-whiteness has meant acting black. As for the boys of Indian descent, they have not been convicted and are entitled to the presumption of innocence.

  39. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Instead of asking what the boys’ reported racial identity tells us about the nature of the attack, we should see the boys as enacting American whiteness through anti-black assault in a very traditional way. In doing so, the assailants are demonstrating how race is a social construct that people make through their actions. They show race in the making, and show how race is something we perform, not just something we are in our blood or in the color of our skin.

    So I can be white without enacting whiteness as long as I don’t assault black teenage girls? Seems easy enough.

    What percentage of the white population enacts whiteness? 10? 30? 75? Are all whites assumed to enact whiteness until proven otherwise? Painter seems to assume Indians do not enact whiteness unless they piss on black minors, so I assume they’re innocent until proven guilty.

    Am I enacting whiteness when I don’t touch a black woman’s hair?

    When I do touch a black woman’s hair?

    Am I enacting whiteness when I purchase a golden retriever instead of a standard poodle?

    Also, do analogous concepts of “Blackness” and “Browness” exist for other races, ahem, ancestral groups? How do I enact them? Maybe I’m enacting them right now.

    Finally, if race is indeed in large part a social construct people make through their actions, is Painter cool with her former employer/alma maters(Princeton, Harvard) not factoring skin colour into admissions decisions?

    • Replies: @teotoon
  40. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    This is why we need to stop importing Indians. India is a total shithole, where the rich and upper caste treat the poor and lower caste like they are cockroaches to be stomped on. They are already bringing their caste culture here, and are gradually taking over all the professions currently dominated by Jews. The first generation may be in tech, but the 2nd generation and on are all flocking to banking, law, academia, media, politics…all professions dominated by Jews.

    If you think Jews are bad now, just wait til’ Indians complete their takeover. They will be 10x more unscrupulous, tribal, oversensitive, arrogant, shameless, classless and lacking in self-restraint. Indians hate everybody, incl. their own kind if they are not the right caste. For now they still worship Jews and whites, but blacks, hispanics and East Asians will not fare well in a country run by Indians.

  41. Marty says:
    @pirelli

    You’re really overthinking it. Moderately smart blacks realize that (1) if everybody is racist then no one is, and (2) other dark skinned groups look down on black dysfunction (like the middle-eastern cabbie who told me, “there’s something wrong with those people.”). So blacks have no choice but to pretend that these other groups are listening to George Wallace tapes at home.

  42. guest says:

    Isn’t it strange how black youfs are the most white people on planet earth, acting out as much white American racial violence on their fellow black people as they do?

  43. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    Unbelievable. Indian mobs have been known to beat to death managers who shut down factories etc. A country full of low IQ corrupt violent cockroaches. Only in America are we dumb enough to keep importing them as “best and brightest”, “highly skilled”, or maybe it’s the plan of the Jews to destroy this country once and for all.

    Mike Lee (R-UT) should be tried for treason for putting up that senate bill to give them extra greencards.

  44. guest says:
    @Sleep

    At first blush, I expected one thing.

    At second blush, I was proven wrong.

    By manufacturing a third blush with slaps administered to my own face, I was able to concoct a ridiculous but soothing narrative.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  45. The confrontation was caught on tape…

    Welcome to SmartTech

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  46. guest says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Absolutely nothing.

    Just going by her word-salad, Saxons and Teutons were both Germanic tribes, so not that different big picture. Angles also Germanic, so adding them to Saxon not that big a deal. WASP of course has Anglo-Saxon in it, so not different at all. None of these terms ever stood for all whiteness, anyway. Except white and Caucasian.

    No one ever said “white-ethnic.” Or no one who matters.

  47. AKAHorace says:
    @Tiny Duck

    We didn’t just invent the caste system, we also invented suttee, the slave trade and foot binding.

    Come on Tiny Duck, give us white people our due.

  48. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m thinking that interracial violence stats between blacks and Hindus is 1000 to 1, but NYT chooses the biggest man bites dog or watermelon-eats-negro story.

    • Replies: @Tony
  49. White people were a minority in South Carolina for most of its history going back to the 1600s. How did White people respond to that demographic fact? I think you know.

    The Left thinks that by importing big numbers of non-Whites, they will make Whites lose power. But when I look at the patterns of history, Whites under threat are far more militant than Whites living in nice, safe enclaves.

    I’m from the South, diversity is nothing new for us. Don’t be surprised if White Americans as a whole react rather differently than expected as they go below 50% of the population.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @captflee
  50. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Does this alleged video actually exist? If so, does it show the crime alleged?

    Anyone have a link to it?

    If not, I would be skeptical.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Hail
  51. Ano says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Hi Tiny, I do so admire your punchings up here on iSteve!

    Speaking of punching…

    …here’s a video of a crowd of whiteness-infected Indians in British India pummeling an African.
    Yes, I agree with you! Demographic change in India is necessary!
    Brits out! Portuguese out! Whites out! Negroes in!
    End the Raj now- for an India free of racism and caste!

  52. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Oh canard of size challengement, it’s too bad you are not a goose. You could come to Overland Park for Iskendarian Enlightenment and face the Camshaft of Destiny, and provide a meal for some immigrants of illegality.

  53. eah says:

    OT

    White privilege: you’re worried about your kid being out-competed for a spot at a good university by Asians, so you make a dumb decision to cheat (in clown world, you do this by saying your kid is an unprivileged minority) — then you get sentenced to prison by an Indian judge, with the virtue-signaling white prosecutor saying you deserve even more time behind bars.

    A Mom Who Falsely Claimed Her White Son Was Black And Latino To Get Into College Is Going To Prison

    Marjorie Klapper, 50, of Menlo Park, Calif., was sentenced by U.S. District Court Judge Indira Talwani to three weeks in prison, one year of supervised release, ordered to complete 250 hours of community service and to pay a fine of $9,500. In May 2019, Klapper pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud. …

    “This defendant paid $15,000 to arrange for her son to cheat on the ACT and then falsely claimed on his college applications that he was Black or Latino,” said United States Attorney Andrew E. Lelling. “Ms. Klapper thereby not only corrupted the standardized testing system, but also specifically victimized the real minority applicants already fighting for admission to elite schools. We respectfully disagree that a three-week sentence is a sufficient sanction for this misconduct.”

    • Replies: @nymom
  54. @pirelli

    …the co-creator of the Dempster-Shafer theory.

    Leave it to Princeton men to play beer pong with giant trash receptacles.

  55. Oh, I see, ‘flinging around the N-word’ is part of acting white. That explains why blacks use it so much.

  56. @Clifford Brown

    In essence, Everything that is White is Bad, therefore Every thing that is Bad is White.

    Dr. Painter is the author of “The History of White People.”

    Time for a white person to write “The History of Black People.”

    Wonder how well that’ll go over.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  57. the assailants are demonstrating how race is a social construct that people make through their actions. They show race in the making, and show how race is something we perform, not just something we are in our blood or in the color of our skin.

    As Massimo notes above, this sort of au courant psycho-babble is how one gets to be a professor at Princeton (well, if one is black) and how one gets published in the NYT (same).

    At first blush, this reported assault sounds nauseatingly familiar, like the run-of-the-mill American racial harassment that has always been common

    In a world where the actual facts and stats of inter-racial crime are themselves a crime to quote, BS pronouncements like this one almost make sense.

    As I always say, this isn’t going to end well. At least not for white folks. These Society Brahmins are now blaming the criminal acts of non-whites upon whites. Whites are responsible for everything bad that happens. It’s almost like Rule by Tiny Duck.

  58. anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    In China there is casual racism against Africans. In India there are problems with street violence against African students. It may just be a problem of law and order generally in India.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  59. Wilkey says:

    At first blush, this reported assault sounds nauseatingly familiar…

    Oh for the love of…

    I want to post a video of black person robbing, harrassing, beating, or even shooting random white person, but there are just simply too many to choose from. I give up.

    • Replies: @Hail
  60. MEH 0910 says:
    @Tiny Duck

  61. El Dato says:
    @pirelli

    How much of all this tedious “whiteness” theorizing, including especially this attribution to whites of wrongful acts committed by non-whites, could be best understood as an “angels on the head of a pin”-type intellectual exercise performed by academics

    No, it’s just nasty & cheap rhetoric based on the unspoken assumption that black lion would lie with asian lamb if it wasn’t for the eternally present gnomic white devil. What does “enacting American whiteness” and “we see race in the making” even mean?

    > Dempster-Shafer theory

    That’s the receipt on how to compute uncertainties in rule-based systems based on local evaluation of the uncertainties of the variables that enter into the rule. Computed in the direction antecedent to conclusion only.

    “Shafer, Glenn; A Mathematical Theory of Evidence” is from ’76. Though called a theory, it’s more like an engineering trick from back when rule-based systems started to be constructed, computational power was absent and probabilistic computation unexplored.

    Today. one would use probability and Bayesian reasoning, which is very much nonlocal (i.e. you have to pull in state and conditional probability values from all over your belief network, which is expensive to compute) but has good theoretical underpinnings. D-S suffers from the usual “ah, but it doesn’t work if…” problem of ad-hoc engineering. You suddenly have to work around bumps in the road.

    Maybe it’s actually used in crazed Wall Street code and CIA spreadsheets faking rational decision making, I don’t know.

    It’s interesting I will have to see how it has developed.

    More here, among a several of others:

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/formal-belief/#DemShaThe

  62. El Dato says:

    Telling perhaps the most important forgotten story [?] in American history, eminent historian Nell Irvin Painter guides us through more than two thousand years of Western civilization, illuminating not only the invention of race [!] but also the frequent praise of “whiteness” for economic, scientific, and political ends. A story filled with towering historical figures, The History of White People closes a huge gap in literature that has long focused on the non-white and forcefully reminds us that the concept of “race” is an all-too-human invention whose meaning, importance, and reality have changed as it has been driven by a long and rich history of events. 70 black-and-white illustrations

    A New York Times bestseller: “This terrific new book . . . [explores] the ‘notion of whiteness,’ an idea as dangerous as it is seductive.”―Boston Globe

    A commenter called “Vagabond of Letters” writes:

    Imagine a White author writing ‘The History of Black People’, and you have the inverse of this book, if he were an ill-informed racist with a complete inability to use and weigh the literature and scholarly sources, unless those sources be of ‘critical theory’. Not even just American blacks, but all blacks all over the world! The very attempt would be considered racist, and would in truth be terrible ethnography: that hypothetical author would examine American blacks (under the delusion that race is purely a social construct) and then use his ‘findings’ to condemn East Africans, West Africans, !Kung, Xhosa, Kalahari bushmen, and Aborigines. The author takes the concept of ‘White’ developed to describe European-Americans and then retrojectively forces it upon European Europeans and Western civilization itself.

    The author advocates a one-sided theory of race which is pretty much the Augustinian theory of evil in the key of sociology and anthropology: Whiteness [evil] is the privation of coloredness [good]; White people don’t exist; White people are evil.

    More social constructionist nonsense – race doesn’t exist but somehow Whites are the embodiment of evil and exploitation and the Holy Minority are the embodiment of all that is good and true.

    An irremediably racist diatribe against White folk brimming with hatred for Western civilization and its accomplishments, no different than the genocidal Tommy Currys or Noel Ignatievs of the world.

    For a corrective, read Duchesne on ‘The Uniqueness of Western Civilization’; Frank Salter, ‘On Genetic Interests’; and Nobel Prize-winning biologist Sarich and Miele’s ‘Race’.

  63. El Dato says:
    @22pp22

    Controversy over remarks by Sajid Javid

    Controversy == “Leftist unhappiness that reality is disagreeable”

    After the reporting restrictions were lifted, the Conservative Home Secretary Sajid Javid sent out a tweet stating: “These sick Asian paedophiles are finally facing justice. I want to commend the bravery of the victims. For too long, they were ignored. Not on my watch. There will be no no-go areas.” His referencing of the ethnic heritage of the offenders was strongly condemned by senior Labour politicians Diane Abbott, Sadiq Khan and David Lammy, who alleged that he was seeking “to pin the blame on […] one group”

    We are all responsible!

    … and pandering to the toxic racist agenda of the far right. In a later interview with Sky News, Javid accused of his critics of being “oversensitive” and refused to apologize or withdraw his comment, saying: “When I made that comment I was stating the facts, and the sad truth is that if you look at recent high-profile convictions of gang-based child sexual exploitation there is a majority of people that come from Pakistani heritage backgrounds – that’s plain for everyone to see.”

    Javid, a Pakistani 2nd-gen imigrant, is a Manchurian Torpedo for US interests but I can’t disagree here.

    Javid was rebuked by MPs and human rights campaigners for tweeting about “Asian paedophiles”, with the director of the Runnymede Trust commenting: “racialising this crime and focusing on the ethnicity of the sexual predators has done little to address why and how these victims were vulnerable to the prey of these sexual predators”. The Independent suggested Javid had ulterior motives with an impending leadership battle and said, “If Javid imagines his racial and religious origins offer any defence to the charge of incendiary race-baiting, he must be out of his tiny mind.”

    Every goodthinking lefty should have a state-subsidied auto-injecting euthaniasia kit at home for when life becomes irremedeemably real and the final triggering occurs.

  64. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I too wasted 20 minutes looking for the video. Which is supposed to show only “part” of that incident. If it weren’t for the involvement of the cops I’d be suspicious about this incident.

    For decapitation videos we have the gore sites. For embargoed race info we have Heavy.com. For non-PC photos we have the Daily Mail. Where to go for video like this? I’ll wait a bit and check the z DailyMail again.

  65. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:

    Wikipedia says 66 blacks live in the city (2010 census), versus 29 Asians. Seriously?!:

    The racial makeup of the township was 69.68% (23,322) White, 10.76% (3,602) Black or African American, 0.20% (66) Native American, 14.10% (4,721) Asian, 0.09% (29) Pacific Islander, 2.73% (913) from other races, and 2.45% (819) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 7.48% (2,503) of the population.

    • Replies: @Some Dumb Guy
    , @hhsiii
  66. Moses says:
    @pirelli

    The author of this piece, Nell Irvin Painter, is married to a white man… This would seem to suggest no racial animus against whites, at least on a personal level, on the part of the author.

    Did a bowling ball fall on your head?

    Many anti-White agitators have White significant others. AOC, Sarah Jeong, Don Lemon…it goes on and on.

    It signifies nothing.

    They may be attracted to Whites sexually, but make no mistake they HATE Whites as a group.

    Logic got nuttin’ to do with it.

    • Agree: bomag, sayless
  67. Nell Irving paints it Black.- Ah – Steve Sailer recently mentioned that Tom Wolfe, in the early days of The Rolling Stones’ career pointed out, just how black Mick Jagger sounded… Black appropriation avant la lettre. – Shouldn’t a big part of the Rolling stones’ loyalties be taxed and used for – needy Blacks?
    Nobody should ever lose faith in these conflicts – let us all cheer up with the the Fab Four: “We can work it out!” – if not here on this old plagued earth, then maybe 10 000 Light Years from Home (The Glimmer Twins). This might take some time alright, but when in doubt, always remember: Somewhere in this Universe, there’s a place that you can call home! (His Bobness inspired by his newfound faith).

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  68. @Bragadocious

    “As I recall, that was not blamed on whites, but rather almost entirely on Koreans.”

    So maybe articles like this are a ‘coalition of the fringes’ thing? Non-white vs non-white dust-ups have to be recategorised in such a way as to keep the non-whites on the same (Democrat) side. Not such a thing back in the 90’s.

  69. Having spent some years abroad long before the digitally connected age, I find it laughable that this “historian” of white people believes that the view that Africans are inferior is a solely White creation. Asian of many stripes are perfectly capable of making their own informed and intelligent assessments of our dark and distant races – and unlike us, they make every effort to prevent them from polluting their sovereign lands. More power to them. When they inevitably assume control of the West, the Dindus will not know what hit them.

    • Agree: jim jones
  70. So, blacks aren’t Americans? Should I greet Indians (dot) with, ” Hello, fellow Aryans”?

  71. El Dato says:
    @Ed

    2014:

    Although it is not clear what, if anything, the men had done to incite the attack, one of at least four witnesses who posted video of the incident on YouTube wrote that they were accused of “misbehaving with female passengers,” by making lewd comments to a woman on a train.

    Pretty rich coming from Southians.

    But mob violence is not restricted to Africans. In 2015, a crowd of Hindus attacked and killed a Muslim man near Delhi after a rumor circulated that he had cow meat in his refrigerator.

    Angry mobs in India can form suddenly and without warning! The positive feedback loop of Twitter must be grandiose.

    Indian society needs to look within and examine “why they hate Africans so much,” said Abdou Ibrahim, senior adviser to the Association of African Students in India.

    It’s probably the White Man’s fault.

    [Siddharth Varadarajan, editor of The Wire, an online news site] said the attacks on Africans served as a warning to Indians that their country was riddled with some of the very same racism that they had suffered from in the West. … “The fact is the kind of ignorance and irrational fears you see would rival the feelings and fears of the worst racists in the West,” he said.

    India now reaching levels of “The West” racism? It’s more likely than you think.

    OT via RT.com:

    Are these zones where SWAT teams shout “Go, Go, Go?”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  72. @syonredux

    Idi Amin’s action, or rather the British Government response to it astonished me . About half of those expelled were admitted to Britain instead of being sent to their Indian homeland.

    Even as a callow youth at the time I was baffled by this and no-one of my acquaintance thought this was anything but moronic beyond belief.

    It was, of course the action of the pedophile Prime Minister Ted Heath and his so called Conservative Government. The were also responsible for Britain’s entry into the European cesspit.

    • Replies: @Ed
  73. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    Blah blah blah.

    About as interesting and edifying to read as a dentist’s drill in your mouth.

  74. @nebulafox

    Contempt for black people is omnipresent and casual throughout Asia, the subcontinent included.

    You say “Asia” I say “The Entire World” excepting, of course, European and European-descended countries, which are the only places on Earth where negroes are venerated–and financed–without limit.

    Yet some affect surprise that they all want to come here. Wouldn’t you? It’s one of the very few rational things they’ve ever done as a race: also the thing they complain about most. So even that bit of rationality has its limit.

  75. @Ed

    It’s amazing to me how the NYT allows black writers to use singular cases as a launching pad for them to blame or indict white people.

    Well, I’m sort of amazed that you’re amazed. Negroes are the ‘useful idiots’ which the hebraics use at every turn to terrorize, torture, dispossess, and diminish the ‘white people’ of this country which they have seen as their only real impediment to total dominion.

    It works pretty much the same way, from street crime all the way up to NYT op-eds, college indoctrination, and congressional legislation. Then there’s the courts, and the MSM, which adminsters the courts of public opinion.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @International Jew
  76. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    In Other News:

    In the UK press the other day, (Metro, Friday 25th October), it was reported that ‘two drunken yobs’ returning from spectating a customary England national soccer team defeat, got up to some rather ‘naughty’ shenanigans whilst travelling on a high speed National Rail express train in the Gloucestershire region of that country.
    After verbally abusing and insulting fellow passengers, the youths engaged in such antics as climbing along the luggage racks and forming an impregnable ‘nest’ therein. Then, they proceeded to engage in one rather bizarre and ancient Anglo Saxon ‘yob’ ritual. In full view of the train car’s passengers, Yob #1 proceeded to ‘drop’ ( as the old idiom goes) his trousers and undershorts, bend double and publicly defecate in an old Kentucky Fried Chicken box – for some obscure reason this particular ritual performance calls for the use of empty KFC boxes and only KFC boxes. Holding the box, and collecting the filth, Yob #2, immediately ‘tossed’ to box, fully laden with ‘fresh produce’ drunkenly and haphazardly along the central corridor length of the car, which happened to strike an elderly female passenger at the other end of the car square on in the back of the head. This female, apparently returning home from a funeral, reported the strike of ‘wet moisure’ to her scalp, a momentary delay before the tell-tale smell gave report of the nature of the attack.

    The Yobs – who strangely enough held high positions – were jailed.

    Reading details of the story – front page news in the freesheets Metro, which is distributed in bulk on UK ‘public transport (ironically), brought a rare lapse in my usual stony self controlled ‘public’ face and caused me to start laughing out loud.

  77. The performance here — flinging around the N-word, with the befoulment of urination — holds an answer.

    Wut

  78. A valid concern.

    (This is a reply to comment #6 above by Jim Dandy. Something went awry in the posting process.)

  79. Hail says: • Website
    @Wilkey

    nauseatingly familiar

    Can familiar things be nauseating?

    ________

    Googling the phrase, the top result you’ll see is:

    … protagonist being beaten and kicked by ruthless cops seemed almost nauseatingly familiar in the wake of the Rodney King trial whose verdict spawned the L. …

    So at least the phrase has anti-racist “streed cred.”

  80. Hail says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    There is a highly-blurred video clip of the original here — it shows the two “males of Indian descent” as viewed from someone sitting behind them:

    The local news report starts at 8:35 in that Youtube video, and ends at 10:50.

    • Replies: @Alden
  81. … maybe the New York Times should just call them “Aryan youths”?

    Aren’t these the people from whom the Aryans moved away?

  82. Eh, Lawrence High is more black than Indian, and I doubt that this is just about these two 17 year olds suddenly deciding to reveal their contempt for their darker skinned classmates, real tho that may be.

    Here’s a somewhat more he said-she said version of the story from a local tabloid, that emphasizes the “something happens in the bleachers at a football game” aspect of the story
    https://www.trentonian.com/news/black-student-peed-on-at-lawrence-football-game-mayor-says/article_8692f79e-f281-11e9-9862-33c39212b8f3.html

    If the story’s true, the doofuses involved should and will get severely punished, but it’s just bad news for regular community life when this stuff becomes national news. The one football game I watched when I taught at Lawrence a decade ago was a game against Steinert, and the rivalry made it fun.

    Interestingly, the last time I drove by, Lawrence was the place I really noticed all the groups of friends coming out of the middle school were quite racially integrated, but now it’s going to be a watchword for racism. C’est la vie.

  83. If using the N-word and assaulting black people is “acting white,” then Ms. Painter would have to acknowledge that Blacks are the whitest group in America.

    But as Steve noted, the dumbed-down racism of the NYT, doesn’t allow for irony, nuance or critical thinking.

  84. hhsiii says:

    I went to public school in New Jersey. I got spat on by black kid (maybe about a quarter white, I think he was trying to establish some street cred), choked by one, punched in the face by another, etc. I punched back. Glad to know they were acting out whiteness.

  85. @Anon

    No, that’s 3600 black, 66 American Indian, 4721 Asian (of which a bit over half is probably Indian/South Asian.)

    The schools feel pretty black, probably because private schools draw off the richer section of town.

    A local tabloid version emphasizes the “rival towns clash in football bleachers” aspect which sounds pretty plausible to me.
    https://www.trentonian.com/news/black-student-peed-on-at-lawrence-football-game-mayor-says/article_8692f79e-f281-11e9-9862-33c39212b8f3.html

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  86. hhsiii says:
    @Anon

    No, it says 66 Native Americans (feather Indians) and 29 Pacific Islanders.

    3602 blacks, 4,721 Asians. And that was almost 10 years ago.

    • Replies: @Anon
  87. Little Black Sambo was an Indian not an African. The boys are black and have the right to use the N Word and urinate on Dalits. Working in IT I can tell you the believe all European and African-American coworkers are Dalits.

  88. @Dave2

    Actually I disagree that it doesn’t work; in Canada second generation immigrants display a high level of negro worship. Look at the Toronto Raptors and how all the Toronto manz supported them.

    Of course, in Canada we don’t have any real negro threat to deal with.

  89. @bigdicknick

    This is just formalizing the theory of journalism that turned George Zimmerman into a “white Hispanic.”

    The prime directive of the NYT is that all news must fit the narrative of White People Bad. But that forecloses them from virtually all crime reporting since white on black crime is practically nonexistent.

    That’s why they are left with running stories about white people being bad for merely reporting black crime to the police.

    So this new theory that perpetrators temporarily become “white” by commiting an offense against blacks will open up a whole new world of crime reporting for the NYT.

  90. Perhaps the civnats here can explain to me how the US can ever course correct when it’s only whites who would work toward the goals that civnats espouse? Steve makes the case against CN with every post like this. At the group level, blacks, subcons, mestizos, west Asians, east Asians; none of these people believe in the concept of civic nationalism.

    In a sane country, the ghastly Nell Irvin Painter would have her citizenship revoked, loaded into an old C47, and parachuted naked into Liberia.

    • Replies: @SFG
  91. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @hhsiii

    You’re right, thanks. I should have known there couldn’t be almost 5,000 feather-Indians in one upper middle class community.

  92. @anonymous

    It may just be a problem of law and order generally in India.

    India is chaotic, dirty and untidy at the street level, but nothing in the statistics reveals it to have a law and order problem similar to nations in Latin America or some countries in Africa. There appear to be, however, in addition to the reports of attacks on Africans in India, numerous news stories about Nigerians and crime in India.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/10-nigerians-arrested-for-duping-people/story-p0t667oyyZ0qS31mQMbiTM.html

    https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/nigerian-stabbed-to-death-as-two-groups-of-africans-clash-in-delhi-1822275

    https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/police-arrest-4-africans-in-delhi-with-drugs-worth-rs-70-lakhs-1731147

    https://www.ndtv.com/topic/nigerian-arrested

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  93. Are these South Asians from South Asia? Or are they from the overseas ethnic Indian communities in Fiji, the Indian Ocean islands, and the Caribbean descended from indentured plantation laborers of the 1800s, a generally rougher and lower education crowd? Indians from India tend to be pretty normie, within the bounds of their own culture (grades, SATs, career orientation and all the rest.) Physical criminality of this type would be outlandish for them to indulge in. Something’s not right in this story.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anon
  94. SFG says:
    @JimDandy

    There’s nothing mentally retarded about this article. It’s using sophistry to avoid an unpleasant conclusion (racism exists in races other than whites).

    Note also the typically American belief (common to large, powerful nations) that the USA is the center of the world–they can’t possibly have learned racism elsewhere (i.e., from their parents who had reality-based assessments of various races)! No, it can only come from America!

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @nebulafox
  95. Oh, and look! She’s wearing Afro-Genius Glasses and everything! She MUST be one of the smart ones. Give that lady a MacArthur, stat!

    “Dr. Painter is the author of, How to Get Paid and Get Tenure By Repeating Verbatim Everything My Jewish Masters Tell Me To Say.”

    Unfortunately, Lily Burk could not be reached for comment, since she is still dead — having been murdered in cold blood by a useless, pointless African, who was merely “enacting blackness” in a case of “walking-down-the-street-gone-horribly-wrong.”

  96. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest

    Excellent. You are making progress, Comrade. Remember, don’t try to turn off the telescreen.

  97. Arclight says:

    The be a black intellectual in America today largely consists of making excuses for your group’s shortcomings and finding a way to blame it on the less-evolved yet somehow still incredibly wily white people.

    As someone else noted, although there is a significant segment of the white population that is willing to take this kind of slander laying down (or even believes it), once demographics tilt to the point whites are not an outright majority, they will belatedly realize that the levers of culture and government are going to be used against them and their children in perpetuity. I don’t think the reaction to this is going to be what the left currently supposes.

  98. Dr. X says:
    @pirelli

    Would that perhaps be Glenn (((Shafer)))? White people are to blame for everything… but not all (((“whites”))) are “white.”

  99. @Patrick in SC

    I realize it says the incident was “partly” captured on a video, but I’m not buying any of it, definitely not the urinating part.

    The reference to “video” of the incident is apparently misleading. Several posters say they can’t find any video documentation. That basically means the underlying incident is a hate hoax.

    “Racist” incidents involving nooses or urine/excrement are invariably fake. If anyone can remember, Tawana Brawley claimed that her racist attackers used excrement to write racial epithets on her body.

  100. JAhd says:

    It’s weird how EVERYONE hates Jews and blacks, buts it’s never their fault. A billion Chinese boo blacks in movie theaters and a billion Muslims hate Jews…. but it’s all the fault of a white Christian grandpa in Kansas because he voted Republican.

    Tl;dr – Jewish and black writers are mostly fake and gay according to most residents of planet Earth

  101. @Ano

    The web-footed troll is at it again.

  102. Alden says:

    Conclusion in 4 words

    No one likes blacks.

    One thing that turns all immigrants off blacks is their loud voices screeching, aggressive movements and arms and legs flailing about in public. Even as pedestrians waiting for the light to change the black men tend to continually step back and forward, side to side taking as much space as possible arms flailing yelling stupid comments.

    Kids who are so unfortunate as to go to school with blacks, or encounter them at the swimming pool, mall,playground bus or subway can’t help but notice.

    Then there’s the crime and fear of crime.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  103. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Absolutely not. Back home, Indians discriminate by caste, not skin color. Some of the high castes from southern India are quite dark skinned – sometimes darker than the average African American, but this is not considered a social impediment so long as they are of the right caste.

    Indians prefer their movie stars and people depicted in ads, on product packages, etc. to be whiter, especially if they are female but there seems to be an almost universal aesthetic preference for lighter skin. Being dark skinned may be an impediment to a career in Bollywood but being ugly is also an impediment in Hollywood – this is lookism, not racism.

  104. Jack D says:
    @Moses

    It signifies nothing.

    No you are wrong. The fact that they are sleeping with the enemy creates cognitive dissonance and they resolve it by publicly hating on whitey even more. It’s not just a coincidence that the loudmouths are the ones with half white children or are themselves half white. Someone who is comfortable in their non-white skin doesn’t need to hate on whitey in order to solidify their non-white credentials either in their own head or with their peer group.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  105. teotoon says:
    @Anonymous

    Am I enacting whiteness when I purchase a golden retriever instead of a standard poodle?

    Am I enacting whiteness when I purchase a golden retriever instead of a pit bull?

    FIFY

  106. Jack D says:
    @Mr McKenna

    This follows the exact same logic as the article and it’s equally stupid. In the article, brown people are doing bad things to black people, but it’s really whitey. In your version, black people are saying bad things about white people, but it’s really the Joos.

  107. TTSSYF says:
    @RichardTaylor

    It’s too bad that it likely will require becoming a minority for whites to unify and vote as a block. It’s like the national debt or unfunded liabilities of SS and Medicare — it’s too easy to kick the can down the road in a state of denial than to deal with it now, before it becomes a crisis. I can only hope is that the country won’t have changed so much that it doesn’t matter what we think or how we vote…but then, that may be what finally triggers a hot civil war; i.e., when there’s nothing to lose.

  108. Whitney says:
    @Dtbb

    Actually, yes, read Kipling. Read other authors from your culture. Listen to classical music. There’s a lot you can do to appreciate being white and coming from the European tradition.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  109. Lots of non-white people are racist. This is fact. Maybe the NYT should be dedicating words to how unacceptable these acts are, and just call it out, regardless of who did it to whom. How about that for journalistic integrity?

    • Replies: @Gene Su
  110. @Jack D

    “but it’s really the Joos.”

    Honestly, if you actually want to be taken seriously, and not just viewed as a salesman, you really have got to knock it off with this nonsense.

    Any clear-eyed observer of the American scene can readily recognize that “the Joos” are not an imaginary bogeyman, they are an actual, quite real entity commonly known among grown-ups as “the Jews” — and that this entity possesses an uncommonly strong grip, some might call it a stranglehold, on a wide array of the conduits of American power. Perfectly sane individuals are capable of recognizing that this group called “the Jews” has conspired to do unimaginably great harm to the fabric of American society. Stop pretending that this is not the case. Everybody except you knows that it is. In fact, you of course know it too, but you hide behind this increasingly ridiculous posture.

    There is in fact no such thing as magick superstitious “anti-semitism” in present-day America. At all. Stop pretending that this lie is so. The occasional nutcase outburst against a Jewish individual is meaningless statistical noise in comparison to the outlandish and entirely unchallenged and undisturbed influence wielded by these observably malicious people. Any theoretical criticism towards “the Jews” as they have negatively impacted American society is very much well-earned and entirely well-deserved. It is an absolute miracle, and a testament to the patience and generosity of our people, that it is not roughly ten zillion times more vehement. It is a part (not the only part of course, but nonetheless a real one) of any rational analysis of our present situation.

    So knock it off. Be a serious adult. You’re making yourself into a Julius Streicher poster boy.

  111. Klesk says:

    Do normal White people take this seriously, or just pretend to?

  112. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    In a broad sense, there are 2 Americas. Two groups who are foundational, essential parts of what modern America is. There is an African America and European America. They can interact and overlay, but that divide is always there.

    An immigrant’s existing outlook and culture may align better with a ‘white’ version of America or a ‘black’ version, but it’s very silly and condescending to assume these people are merely empty vessels who will instantly be transformed into racists when they arrive in America. Race issues are not something unique to America. Immigrants are fully capable of forming racist attitudes all on their own. They are human and they’ll like what fits with their own outlook and dislike what doesn’t, pretty much like everyone else does.

    Immigrants who identify more with white America may sometimes hold blacks in low regard, but the opposite is also true. At least as many immigrants will have hostile attitudes to white people.

  113. @Clifford Brown

    Most of this scene is from the DVD version of the movie, not the official version.

  114. @Some Dumb Guy

    The schools feel pretty black, probably because private schools draw off the richer section of town.

    Correct. The Lawrenceville School is right in town, and there are plenty of other well-regarded private schools in the area.

    As for the official demographics of Lawrence High School:

    42.6% white
    18.1% Asian
    18.0% black
    17.4% Hispanic

    Lawrence’s most famous alumnus is Jon Stewart, while Teller once taught Latin there.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  115. Jack D says:

    The “good” news for professional black grievance mongers is that you don’t need any actual white people to enact “whiteness”. Therefore their careers are assured even in some future America that is devoid of pure whites. The same thing prevails in the Caribbean and in Latin America where vaguely brownish people who in America fall on the other side of the color line are consider “white” and when the coup attempt succeeds can be oppressed as such by their browner compatriots. Our ghosts will look down with bemusement when in centuries hence this Kabuki drama will continue to be reenacted with Irfan Khan standing in for George Wallace and Priyanka Chopra playing the part of Lurleen.

  116. Jack D says:
    @ScarletNumber

    I doubt that The Lawrenceville School is drawing off many whites. The Lawrenceville School, as a boarding school, draws from a national, nowadays even international, pool. There are some day students who live within commuting range but I would be surprised if more than an handful were from Lawrence Township itself any more than the student body of Harvard is drawn from Cambridge.

    In modern day NJ, a school that is 43% white more or less matches the ratio of whites in the general population in that age cohort. There are more whites in the total population but they skew older and have fewer children.

  117. JimDandy says:
    @SFG

    Unfortunately, some retarded intellectuals–such as this particular retarded intellectual–actually believe the bullshit their white handlers feed them.

  118. @El Dato

    Are these zones where SWAT teams shout “Go, Go, Go?”

    Haha! Shades of the Blues Brothers there, El Dato, except it was “hut! hut! hut!” Maybe that’s “go, go, go” in Swedish(?)

    Who is the Swedish government trying to convince with this stuff? “However, the problems can’t be blamed simply on immigration. “ Sure they can, even if you believe this “low socio-economic status is their problem” BS, it would be no problem for Sweden if these immigrants weren’t living there.

    I guess, per the Swedish government, you are not supposed to believe your lying eyes anymore. You must believe Big Brother and his Tweets.

    Oh, and great fisking of the idiot in Ed’s posted video.

  119. Jack D says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I really doubt this. This sounds like “No TRUE Scotsman” coming from someone who is himself a Scotsman (or in this case a S. Asian).

    #1, GENUINE S. Asians are not all as fine and cultured as you say they are, such that these acts (if they really happened in the manner depicted in the press – don’t be surprised if some of the allegations are completely false) are totally beyond their character. All humans in general are capable of anything and don’t always act in accordance with their supposed national character.

    2nd, these boys have been raised in an American milieu, in a school that is over 1/3 black and Hispanic so this may have affected their character such that they may have acted in a way that they were not taught by their parents.

    There are some Caribbean Indians in the vast ethnic soup of the NY Metro area but most of the Indians in that part of NJ are direct from India Indians – there are just a lot more of those than there are Indian double immigrants in the diaspora.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  120. hhsiii says:
    @Alden

    Yeah, my wife said she came here from Latvia thinking that American blacks were just discriminated against. Once here she quickly realized it’s lot more complicated. She used to be the only white person, or person who believed she was white, on a bus to outer Queens every day for work. Pregnant. No one ever gave her a seat. Except once an old black woman.

    • Replies: @Thatgirl
  121. El Dato says:

    “Whiteness … evolves!”

  122. Alden says:
    @Hail

    Key words are diversity inclusive curriculum in the schools. This hoax was carefully orchestrated to include more time wasting diversity in the local schools

    It’s obviously a set up, like the black girl in a private school in VA who claimed her hair was cut by Whites. Turned out to be a PR stunt for her grandparents dread kick business.

    The clothes that were allegedly urinated in have been washed of course.

    Just another hoax and opportunity to attack Whites. Every day black yout attack children of other races. Even speaking about it is considered racist. Media issued guidelines forbidding mention of black crime about 65 years ago.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
  123. SFG says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Kill affirmative action so they have no incentive not to assimilate, for starters. 😉

  124. fnn says:
    @Anonymous

    Brits seem to be the only white people on the planet who behave like this.

  125. @bigdicknick

    The New York Times is the paper of record for the national security bureaucracy and whites who worship blacks.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  126. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Reminds me of one of the killers of the Newsom couple, who insisted he wasn’t racist because he’d had white girlfriends before.

  127. Tony says:
    @Moses

    The white men or woman in these relationships are no doubt Warren or Bernie supporters.

  128. Tony says:
    @syonredux

    I know some Indians from guyana who cant stand blacks.

  129. captflee says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Richard,

    A particularly salient point, sir, and one woefully underappreciated among the vast majority of the non-Southrons present among us even here in Steve World! As I have watched both the city of my birth and my present beach adjacent town inundated by Neuva Jorkers and Oaxacans, I have pondered whether we in Dixie might want to consider sponsoring for admittance some suitable stout young Boers, if only for their recency of experience, to bolster our numbers and our resolve.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
  130. Tony says:
    @Anonymous

    When I read the headline I thought something’s up with that. Indian males in this country aint gonna be attacking black males who are the same age. So when I saw they were younger girls that made sense to me. In the rare chance that it does happen it would be in an area where the Indian population is much larger than the black population. The Indians would probably be muslim, sikh, or from the carribean.

  131. @Dieter Kief

    Sir Mick fails to find you amusing.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  132. Anonymous[616] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Calls to mind the late, great Peter Cook’s quip about ‘The fan hitting the shit…’.

  133. This anti-white narrative has been rolling along for some time, and the velocity is certainly increasing. I see the holocaust story constructed originally as war propaganda and later weaponized in the late 60’s through the 70’s as the original anti-white narrative. It has been wildly successful of course.

    These hate stories, the publicity the media gives them, has some ultimate goal. Do the oligarchs profit from engineering dysfunctional societies where white people are thoroughly disempowered? Did they prosper from South Africa or Rhodesia?

    These people do nothing that does not increase their wealth somehow. How is this anti-white trend, a thoroughly engineered phenomena, going to put gold in their vaults?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @HammerJack
  134. nebulafox says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I can’t speak for the subcontinent, but I felt far safer in poor neighborhoods in the Philippines and Indonesia than I did in Brazil or the United States, despite the former two having far more objectively gut-wrenching, sickening poverty than the latter. Slums in the Americas tend to be wealthier, but far more violent. How much of this is culture vs. other factors is up to the observer, though like all sociological issues, I suspect it is a complex mix of everything everyone brings up.

    From what I hear, India takes the gut-wrenching, sickening poverty to an entirely new level, but violent crime is still nowhere near as problematic as in urban centers in the Americas. Scams and sexual assault are huge problems, violent mugging and murder not so much. When there’s violence, it seems to be usually organized around “higher” ideological motives.

    >There appear to be, however, in addition to the reports of attacks on Africans in India, numerous news stories about Nigerians and crime in India.

    The Nigerian diaspora in Malaysia, too, has a reputation as being filled with conmen or criminals there on fraudulent student/business visas. As usual when it comes to stereotypes, the brutal reality is that this reputation does have a kernel of truth: even other Africans tend to be a bit leery of Nigerians for a reason. But local racial and cultural attitudes tend to blow it a bit out of proportion, especially relative to Malaysia’s home-grown criminal syndicates. Predictably, the local media, as in any country, largely consists of people that are constitutionally incapable of blowing up a particularly juicy story, or at least one that happens to align neatly with their own petty biases.

    (This being both an Asian and a majority Islamic country, drug smuggling in particular is viewed deeply negatively, with the death penalty being doled out liberally. Over 100 Nigerian nationals live on Malaysia’s death row.)

    Malaysia’s not India, so mob attacks are unlikely, but again: I don’t think many Americans tend to get just how liberal the United States is on race, relative to most of the world. We’re not perfect, but we’re pretty high up there. And when it comes to allowing for opportunities to genuinely assimilate and “become” American, we’re way ahead of Europe, as pretty much every Middle Eastern and South Asian postdoc/grad student I ever talked to said.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  135. Mr. Grey says:

    Nell Irvin Painter has a master’s degree in the Hustle. But did she really mention videos on the internet? She must be used to an audience of woke middle-aged white ladies ready to cheer her for just showing up.

  136. nebulafox says:
    @SFG

    It’s not just parochial, but deeply condescending. Of course non-white histories and their cultures are morally ambiguous. They consist of *human beings*. For all the cultural and racial differences you’ll see around the world, one thing you learn is that basic, underlying human nature-the good and the bad-doesn’t change.

    Taking bien-pensant attitudes to their logical conclusion, one would assume they only started becoming thinking adults and having a real, actual history when white people arrived. It’s no different than how progressives 120 years ago thought during the heyday of colonialism. They are here to save everyone: only this time, with a new devil, a new deity, and a new, dare I say it, more simpering morality. The impulse of seeing themselves as the center of the universe ready to “rescue” these alien masses remains invariant. When the Diverse challenge this directly or otherwise, cognitive dissonance comes.

  137. I honestly just can’t believe white America continues to buy this stuff. There has to be a point where we collectively put our foot down and say enough.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  138. Anon[362] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    Sexual harassment is a major problem in the Subcontinent. Mostly because women are kept indoors and away from men, so there’s a huge mass of sexually frustrated unmarried guys there. The police are weak and incompetent, so there’s no penalty for being a street harasser.

    Almost all marriages are arranged, often involving incompatible couples. Many men can’t even get married, due to their poor economic prospects and wildly skewed male/female sex ratio.

    Many Indians are too poor to afford TVs, smart phones, or electronic gadgets. Many of them are homeless or semi-homeless too. So there’s a huge mass of bored and unoccupied men, wandering the streets all day. They do most of the harassment.

    Lots of sexual frustration, minimal policing, and hordes of bored young men.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  139. Anon[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    People of color will revert back to worse than the Third World without Whites.

    Asians are racist in Asia and have been before White culture took hold. That isn’t debatable.

    The caste system is thousands of years old, in spite of Dravidian revisionism. The Vedas attest to that, and modernity affirms the wisdom of something more extreme than the caste system: total separation.

    Demographic change will come to a point: then what is told in a certain book will come to pass and you will regret ever wishing for anything beyond the end of slavery. But it will have been (and is) too late.

    Trump doesn’t matter in the long run other than as a process figure that has a bit role to play in leading us all toward our long predefined fates. Every group’s fate is absolutely sealed. Perhaps most of all that of the Black group that is led around, at will, by its tight collar like a blind dog.

  140. Anon[765] • Disclaimer says:

    Immigration is demographic appropriation. Letting in smart people from around the world is Intellectual Appropriation. It must stop. Let smart folks of other nations serve their own nations and economies.

  141. Well, South Asians ARE part of the broad human grouping known to anthropologists as “Caucasian” even if their skin tone is several shades darker than the members of ABBA. So, since these particular animals committed a crime against AA’s, the conclusion is inescapable: they’re Undocumented White People!

  142. Ho..hum… more crazy antics from America’s “model minority!” Anyone care to check into their parentage? My guess: fathers are, or were, H1-B’s and their mothers are dowry brides! Why are H1-B’s willing to work cheaper than Americans? Simple: get US residency, and import not just your own extended family, but get Big Bucks [Big Rupees?] on the Indian dowry market, too! One billion, four hundred million souls trying to escape that massively overpopulated shit hole. What Brahmin father wouldn’t sell his daughter for a ticket out?

    • Agree: Alden
  143. Lara says:

    She’s getting paid to keep the coalition of the fringes together and focused on a common enemy.

  144. Anon[362] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Fijian Indians live along the West Coast. Indo-Carribs mainly live in NY and Florida.

    There are some less educated Indians in NJ, but they live in heavily Indian cities like Edison.

    In upper middle class areas like Lawrence, the Indians tend to be affluent.

  145. SMK says: • Website
    @JimDandy

    “Mentally-retarded intellectual” is an oxymoron. This woman isn’t retarded or even “boderline retarded.” I’m sure her IQ is higher than over 90% of “African-Americans.” She’s a psychotic charlatan and psuedo-intellectual who is totally estranged from and impervious to objective reality and demonstrable facts, and who thus argues and believes that only whites can be “racist” but that race and whiteness are “artifical social contructs,” as is true of nearly all left-wing, white-hating “intellectuals,” black and white.

  146. Ed says:
    @Bill Jones

    India refused to take them, arguing that although Indian in ethnic origins, they were 3 to 4 generations removed from India and held British passports.

  147. Gene Su says:

    There seems to be some sort of template as to how the media “expect” the “beautiful people” to react to interracial crime, offenses, or even just harmless unruliness based on the ethnicity of the offender and offendee.

    Whites attack blacks / Hispanics / Asians – It is proof that America is still a white supremacist country where whites are still full of themselves and think they can poop and spit on minorities. Don’t believe me? Look at how they reacted to Dylann Roof’s antics.

    Blacks (I meant, teens) attack whites – It’s just kids being kids. Nothing newsworthy. And when the mainstream media can’t hide it, they state that it is “poor minorities” acting out “understandable frustrations” over “racism”. Nothing here to see. All we must do is pony up more money for various welfare programs.

    Hispanics attacks whites – Those nasty white people must understand that they are just getting their just desserts for exploting Mexico. The only way to resolve this is the show our hospitality by flooding this country with Hispanics.

    Hispanics attack blacks – Why, those angelic little Mexicans would never do that. They would never fire bomb black houses, rape black girls, or form vigilante groups. Those hardworking Latins are making up the backbone of our economy with their willingness to take depressed wages (and the backbone of the Democrat Party’s voter block, where they will soon displace blacks as the core group).

    Blacks attack Hispanics / Asians – Once again, you think of that journalist’s quote on the short-lived cartoon Phantom 2040: “If I didn’t see it, it didn’t happen.” We all know blacks and and other non-white minorities get along with one another just fine.

    Asians attack blacks – Its because those Asians are nasty unruly people who don’t know how to treat blacks right. They obviously were influenced by those racist whites. Note that the attacks are more likely to be the other way around but no one cares.

    Asians attack whites – It never happens … except on that one episode of King of the Hill.

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
  148. Anonymous[616] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    Not that many of them are still alive now, but veterans of the British Army in India always spoke of India as a dangerous place full of thieves and bandits ready to way lay any unwary foreigner out walking in the night.
    In fact, the British colonialists were well aware of banditry in India, to the extent of label long whole communities in India as ‘criminal castes’. Lest we forget, the so called ‘Romanies’ , (Gypsies), are of Indian origin.

    My own suspicion are that the traditional Indian bandits – who doubtless still exist – are the real deal – quite unlike the cossetted all-American black gangbangers, who talk big, intimidate either stupid/self loathing whites, but in reality would run like hares from *real* bloodshedding flesh-hacking battle.

    • Replies: @Anon
  149. Anonymous[616] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    Please take the subcon ‘post grad’ students off Europe’s hands.

    All of them.

  150. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Had they assaulted or pushed the girls into a subway train then they would be acting black?
    Pissing on girls doesn’t sound too white anyway they just cut their hair.

  151. Where is Gavin MacIness when you need him?

    Gavin and his Proud Boys want everyone to know that they’re good whites. He’ll agree with Dr. Painter.

  152. Jamesp4 says:

    This woman is pyschotic and the fact people like her are held up in teaching positions and places of respect in our society shows us how far it has fallen. How damaged it is.

    In simple terms she’s pyschotic and exercising racial hatred, all tied up in her delusional fantasies… She’s preaching evil and inciting violence as the natural conclusion to her claims.

    We need to destroy these people, utterly, for us to be safe once again. That doesn’t mean literally but ideologically and culturally.. Make her embarrassed and fringe like she deserves, the evil bitch.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  153. @pirelli

    If Dr. Painter were arguing something as removed from reality as ” the number of people who can dance on the head of a pin,” no one would give her twaddle a second thought. But her nonsense exacerbates the country’s rapidly deteriorating racial comity, so roundly condemning her “intellectual” nonsense is in order.

  154. If attacks on blacks prove ‘whiteness’ then blacks must be the whitest of all.

  155. Steve, you had a tweet recently where you noted how the Times did a series of articles on intersex babies in 2010, which prepared the way for their campaign for transgender rights 3 years later.

    I’m wondering if this article might serve a similar purpose, which would be to prepare the ground to label South Asians as the next category – after East Asians – to be labelled “white adjacent” and told to go to the back of the POC bus.

    It’s especially interesting that this happened in New Jersey, which I’ve read has a large, growing, and very successful South Asian community. So, we might have similar tensions brewing here to those that led to NYC’s current fight to eliminate gifted programs and admission strictly via merit to specialized high schools, on the grounds that they discriminate against Black and Hispanic students. Labeling the East Asian (mostly Chinese) kids who dominate these NYC schools as “white adjacent” has been a central tactic in that fight. Maybe in a few years we’ll see a similar fight over “white adjacent” South Asian students in gifted classes in New Jersey, or another South Asian vs. Black/Hispanic fight in which this article will be used as ammo.

  156. @Moses

    Of course ethnic activists are going to be sexually attracted to the people they supposedly hate.

    It’s a blond Aryan Don Lemon fantasizes being sexually tortured by, not Mahatma Gandhi.

  157. @pirelli

    So she hates whites in the streets but loves them in the sheets. Typical.

  158. @Gene Su

    “Hispanics attack blacks – Why, those angelic little Mexicans would never do that. They would never fire bomb black houses, rape black girls, or form vigilante groups. Those hardworking Latins are making up the backbone of our economy with their willingness to take depressed wages (and the backbone of the Democrat Party’s voter block, where they will soon displace blacks as the core group).”

    When Hispanics attack blacks, the media doesn’t even call them Hispanics. They become white all of a sudden.

    • Replies: @Gene Su
  159. @Jack D

    That’s not remotely accurate, and I daresay you know it as well as I do. Pointing out that wealthy and powerful jews use their positions (and their proxies) to attack ‘white people’ and to have ‘white people’ blamed for all of the ills in the world may irritate you, but that’s chiefly because you’re exclusively concerned with the aggrandizement of your little tribe.

    Noticing how jews use their power to attack white people is hardly the same thing as being used by jews to attack white people. That’s childish BS. Does this really need explaining for you? No, of course it doesn’t.

    Here we are, on one of the very few fringe sites which dares to expose mass-media manipulations, and your principal (and endlessly repeated) complaint is: that we dare to expose mass-media manipulations. Because “it’s not good for the jews.”

  160. @Ano

    Okay, I can understand there being African students in China. The Chinese have to develop links with any continent they wish to buy.

    But why are there African barbers in India? Who let them in? Why? The nationalists in power (who changed the city names to gibberish) share the attitudes of the punks in the street, albeit with more sophisticated manners.

    Let me guess… The Africans live in areas dominated by opposition minorities. Divide (further) and conquer.

  161. @Mr McKenna

    Too many young people on this forum.

    History of White People and nobody mentions Martin Mull

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Art Deco
  162. @Redneck farmer

    Sir Mick has become a small royalty himself now, you’re spot on here, Redneck farmer (whereas I mixed up royal- and loyalties above – uhh)! And he is still a bit loyal to merry old England….in conceding, that Brexit might turn out quite nicely – if not in the short, then maybe in the long run.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  163. @MBlanc46

    I was curious to see the comment section, but I couldn’t access it. I would bet on the ratio of NYT readers opposing the author.

    I don’t have hard public opinion data to cite, and the committed leftists that I know would support that 100%, but I bet that most moderates even the moderates who consistently vote Democrat Would find this absurd and off putting.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Nicholas Stix
  164. J1234 says:

    I also see this incident through a “different lens” (as the author of the article puts it), at least in terms of the author’s perspective on the case: It’s another example of narrative based justice rising to challenge the supremacy of evidence based justice (i.e., social justice vs. actual justice.) The two used to be somewhat complimentary, but now they’re becoming competitors in the eyes of many people. It’s my belief that people like the author look forward to the day when essentially all justice is arrived at by narrative established by her political perspective. Even justice concerning petty assaults like the incident mentioned. Maybe traffic accidents, eventually. Who’s black or white and who isn’t will have as much – or more – bearing on determining who’s guilty and who isn’t in even the smallest cases. Whites weren’t even involved in this case, but they’re guilty because we all know that people in India never mistreated other people until they moved to New Jersey.

    There’s also desperation on the author’s part, however. Maybe she thinks the anti-white coalition among non-whites is unraveling, and she’s starting to panic. Maybe she knows that hate-crime laws were established to protect the world against white people, and she can’t let the public get used to any alternative version of that story.

  165. El Dato says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Mostly the daily rundown for top level crusties who need to know what they should be thinking today.

    At war of Oceania, at war with Estasia. It’s hard to keep up when you are in academy etc.

  166. Anon[362] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Your “suspicion” is wrong. American gangbangers are way scarier and more violent than Indian bandits.

    Banditry happens in some of the more impoverished rural areas, but it’s less of a problem in the cities. In the cities, the main crime issue is pick pocketing.

    “Flesh hacking” is extremely rare, except when there’s communal rioting.

    When the British ruled India, banditry was extremely common in China too. Law and order has improved a lot since then.

  167. El Dato says:
    @Just another serf

    Maybe it’s just about power and the desire to have the certainty to keep that power? The followers just want to please their inner voice, of course.

    Future is looking bad, man!

  168. @Just another serf

    It prevents any potential rivals from achieving [or maintaining] critical mass.

  169. nebulafox says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    It happens more than people here think. I still remember the absolute rout in the comment section when the Washington Post unironically complained that the wave of illegal immigrants being deported to Mexico by Trump was reducing wages for ordinary Mexicans.

    I still believe the majority of day-to-day people you’ll meet, regardless of personal political leanings, don’t tend to make politics their raison d’etre. Chances are, their purpose revolves around their job, their family, their interests. That means that their political views aren’t often consistent or very well thought out, but that also means they can be talked to. Unfortunately, though, this also means that policy making and public debate is ceded to nutjobs, and their voices have become ear-splitting in the era of the Internet.

  170. @Malcolm X-Lax

    A plurality [if not a majority] of white people will vilify you for even suggesting that. It’s how they’ve been trained.

  171. nebulafox says:
    @Anon

    >Sexual harassment is a major problem in the Subcontinent.

    Oh, trust me, I am very aware of that…

  172. @Mr McKenna

    Negroes are the ‘useful idiots’ which the hebraics use at every turn to terrorize, torture, dispossess, and diminish the ‘white people’

    Yeah, ’cause historically we’ve always thrived best in majority-black countries.

    Seriously, you’re attributing malice where what you’re really seeing is stupidity. Or more exactly, moral confusion.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  173. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Sir Mick has become a small royalty himself now, you’re spot on here, Redneck farmer (whereas I mixed up royal- and loyalties above – uhh)! And he is still a bit loyal to merry old England….in conceding, that Brexit might turn out quite nicely – if not in the short, then maybe in the long run.

    Sir Mick is not royalty, he’s been knighted, big difference.

    Keith was right, he should have held out for a peerage (membership in the House of Lords). That still isn’t royalty but it’s a step up.

    There was a rumor going around that the first rocker given a peerage would not be a Rolling Stone or a Beatle but, improbably, the immigrant Pretenders suprema Chrissie Hynde. This does not seem to be the case, HM the Queen dislikes people who are publicly foul-mouthed and she is all that. However, HM the Queen is 93 (she was born about six weeks before Marilyn Monroe and drove trucks in WWII) and so when Charlie (aka Il Tamponcino) has his rump reign (he’s now 70) he may do that as it’s rumoured (they spell funny there) he likes her environmental and animal rights activism.

    However-HM the Queen Mother made 101 so this may not be any time soon. Both Charlie’s parents are nonagerians so he could have more than a few years himself even if he’s crowned in his late 70s or even early 80s. Big Little Miss Muffett is a youthful (well, not really, she does look it) 68 so there is time yet as well.

  174. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s always amusing to read the duck-billed platitudes these race hustlers get when they finally croak. Conyers was a typical crummy black pol, though to be fair he was a little smarter than the average one-no refrigerators filled with cash or asking admirals if Guam might capsize for him.

  175. @nebulafox

    I think you’re right. Thus Dem voters who care mostly about their union jobs have been taken for a ride by Dem politicians who instead push wokeness, while GOP voters who care about their national sovereignty have been taken for a ride by GOP politicians who instead push the Chamber of Commerce’s agenda.

    We’re getting screwed bipartisanly.

  176. Art Deco says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Any clear-eyed observer of the American scene can readily recognize that “the Joos” are not an imaginary bogeyman,

    ‘Clear eyed’ is not a synonym for ‘held together with psychotropics’.

    • Agree: keypusher
    • Troll: HammerJack
  177. @Bard of Bumperstickers

    Do you think he may have at one time heard the phrase “population tipping point” and inferred–as a typical black capable only of concrete-operational reasoning–that the expression was to be taken literally?

  178. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Beyond all the non-sense, does this person of whatever gender it is, ever tell us the goodness of acting black and how we or what we should all do to emulate it? She tells the evil of acting white now what’s the provable good of acting black and don’t look to Haiti, New Orleans or Voodoo?

  179. @International Jew

    Yeah, ’cause historically we’ve always thrived best in majority-black countries.

    Not only ridiculous, but a complete non sequitur besides. No one is supposing that a majority-black society is the goal, though it’s quite true that your people did quite well in South Africa for many generations.

    No, the relevant fact here is that the Chosen People want to live in White Societies, but they insist on maintaining the whip hand. In America and Europe, the only people who could possibly stand in the way of that are White People.

    Hence, the “war” and of course the endless propaganda. Because you can’t win this kind of war without effective propaganda.

  180. @bigdicknick

    If you want to understand why Africa has never been much of anything just believe this woman’s reasoning ability!

  181. Asians Harass Blacks

    Two 17-year-old boys accused of harassing four African-American middle schoolgirls — using racial slurs and urinating on one of the victims — are facing charges including bias intimidation and lewdness.

    OK BS. That never happened. Hate hoax targeting Asians.

    Police say the boys are of Indian descent.

    Oooohhhh… nevermind that might have happened.

  182. @nebulafox

    I still believe the majority of day-to-day people you’ll meet, regardless of personal political leanings, don’t tend to make politics their raison d’etre. Chances are, their purpose revolves around their job, their family, their interests. That means that their political views aren’t often consistent or very well thought out, but that also means they can be talked to.

    This is very wise and true, but also, this is the way that politics has always been.

    Unfortunately, though, this also means that policy making and public debate is ceded to nutjobs, and their voices have become ear-splitting in the era of the Internet.

    This sounds like William Buckley’s famous quote:

    “I would rather be governed by the first 2,000 people in the telephone directory than by the Harvard University faculty.”

    If you are passionate enough, you can make a difference.

    Rupert Murdoch founded Fox News in 1996 when he saw an opening for news that catered to conservative viewers that the other news networks were ignoring. Fox News has had a huge impact on the politics of the nation. There will be many future stories of people who have a very large impact on politics.

  183. @Anon

    Mike Lee (R-UT) should be tried for treason for putting up that senate bill to give them extra greencards.

    Agree.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  184. Truth says:
    @Ano

    LMAO!

    That was the weakest 20 on 1 jumping I’ve seen in my life, the brother didn’t even lose his temper. No wonder these Kats don’t win shit in the olympics.

  185. @Jack D

    I really doubt this. This sounds like “No TRUE Scotsman” coming from someone who is himself a Scotsman (or in this case a S. Asian).

    Good point. I see that after rereading my post. My personal sample is biased, of course, and dates back to the 1980s and 1990s, and is from the financial industry, as well as those professionals I ran into in my years in East Asia. And the composition of the S. Asian immigrant crowd in America has changed, over the years. It’s no longer a bunch of STEM types who arrived here with graduate fellowships.

    And, as you say, and any policeman knows, people are good people—until they aren’t. Anyone can end up doing anything.

    I still wonder about aspects of the story, unconnected to the ethnicity of the perps. It is very unusual for kids to bridge the high-school, middle-school divide. For high-schoolers, middle schoolers are invisible. I still have an inkling that there’s more that will come out. Nevertheless, I hope the judge throws the book at these S. Asians, on the face of it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  186. @Anonymous

    Charlie’s parents, Liz-2 and Phil, are 2nd cousins, so Charlie’s got at least one or two genetic time bombs. Doubtful he will live nearly as long as either of his sires.

    (Incest is acceptable only if you’re a hillbilly or royalty.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  187. Gene Su says:
    @Don't Look at Me

    When Hispanics attack blacks, the media doesn’t even call them Hispanics. They become white all of a sudden.

    If they didn’t see it, it didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  188. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Maybe, maybe not. The royal lines had some known flaws but also a lot of those lines bred out a lot of the flaws too, so we’ll have to see. If he had any really big genetic time bombs they’d likely have gone off by now, I’d think.

    A “sire” is the male parent, I guess the female is a “dam” , to use horse terminology. The Saxe-Coburgs are kind of horse faced but calling them “equine” would imply something else which so far as I know has not been brought up in their case.

    The royals have started outbreeding somewhat, which can be good, but the most recent royal marriage was a clear cut case of breeding too far out. Of course, there are those who maintained Charlie wasn’t the biological sire in that case anyway-I don’t know if that is likely or not, and it’s probably not in the royals’ interest to have it known for sure. Indeed they may have encouraged him to marry as he did for the same reason thoroughbred stallions are sometimes test mated to an entirely different breed of mare-the progeny will never be able to “get back in the line” or reduce the market value of the thoroughbred line.

    • Replies: @Flip
  189. Stan says:

    It is a case of South Asian fans of R. Kelly emulating their idol.

  190. Paul says:

    How could any non-white possibly find anything objectionable about blacks?

  191. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You and Dr. Painter, two peas in a pod, are both poster boys for the same phenomenon: Agentive Displacement, but in your case there’s also a heavy dose of Projective Inversion.

    • Troll: Charon
  192. J.Ross says:
    @Ed

    I felt for him so much because at one time I had a thoughtless roommate who brought back hideous conquests against policy and I would have absolutely gotten in shared trouble for his violation if it were discovered. Reminder, it wasn’t homophobia, it was that this guy kept bringing back people.

  193. Thatgirl says:
    @hhsiii

    Having taken public transportation daily in NYC throughout two pregnancies, I became pretty adept at figuring out who was most likely to give up his or her seat for me.

    Without question, the number one group for sacrificing himself for this pregnant white lady was the Latino working man. They always always vacated their seats the moment they saw me. (No matter how tired they looked).

    Next were women of any race or class.

    The least likely were Asian and white professional men. A guy in a suit would always bury his face in his newspaper to pretend he didn’t see me.

    I don’t know if the difference in the behavior of the working men and the profesional men was based on class or race. There weren’t enough white working men on my regular route to get a good statistical sample.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  194. @Massimo Heitor

    The editors do not appear to have permitted comments. They must have anticipated problems, even after years of whitelisting “the wrong kind” of commenters, like yours truly.

  195. @Jack D

    That’s stupid, Jack. The fact that declaration A is false does not imply that declaration B is false.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Jack D
  196. Anonymous[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Staying on topic, this reminds me of the British in India in the early 19th century.

    If you had told an average Indian circa 1820 that the British were his rulers he would have reacted with indignant denial. He would have said that his local raja, sultan, nawab etc. was his ruler, and that the British were just clever merchants who could be sent packing at any time if they displeased the prince.

    Americans today react in exactly the same way (but with presidents instead of rajas) when you tell them that Jews run the U.S.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  197. @Anonymous

    Charlie Watts does perform a nice stiff upper lip and is not foul-mouthed and well mannered throughout. And he loves to drive and old cars and all that – he could become the good-natured avocat of old drivers, something Prince Philip himself might like a lot. So Lord Watts of Her Satanic Majesties Request would be just fine, wouldn’t it?

  198. TTSSYF says:
    @Whitney

    And make sure books by Kipling are on prominent display for anyone visiting your home to see.

  199. Flip says:
    @Anonymous

    Of course, there are those who maintained Charlie wasn’t the biological sire in that case anyway-

    The resemblance of Harry to a young Philip has persuaded me that Charles probably is the father.

  200. Dan Smith says:

    The video shows nothing. I can buy the story that liquid fell from the bleachers on a girl. I challenge any man reading this to hit a moving target with a urine stream from a height of ten feet. Not possible unless the “victim” stands still underneath the seats looking up. Racial slurs? Probably. Listen to a rap music radio station and you will hear racial slurs by the dozens in any playlist.
    There is a hint of progress here. The incident is not being portrayed as male on female violence.

  201. Gene Su says:
    @ConfirmationBias

    Lots of non-white people are racist.

    Yeah, but are they racists against blacks?

    Or whites?

    Or both?

    • Replies: @nymom
  202. Jack D says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You need to break up your posts. You can either say incredibly anti-Semitic stuff (e.g. ‘ “the Jews” has conspired to do unimaginably great harm to the fabric of American society ‘) OR you can deny that anti-Semitism exists in America but you can’t do BOTH in the same post.

  203. Jack D says:
    @ben tillman

    The point is this – all humans have agency. Occam’s butterknife tells us that if A is doing X, A is probably the one who is responsible for his or her actions and not some hidden puppetmaster that only you can see. It’s POSSIBLE that in some cases (but not others) there really is an invisible puppetmaster pulling invisible strings so it only LOOKS like A is the one who is acting but such explanations are inherently suspect in all cases.

    It really begins to defy belief when you stack the invisible puppetmasters on top of each other so that in your view puppetmaster B is really himself a puppet whose strings are being pulled by grand puppetmaster C. It’s puppetmasters all the way down.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  204. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    So you are saying that the Jews intend to conquer America by military force in the future? Will Tel Aviv send dreadnoughts to bombard out ports? Will they appoint RBG to be the Empress of America? I think this is the most far fetched historical analogy I have ever seen.

  205. @Jack D

    It seems like you are asserting that Jewish hostility to founding stock Americans and their institutions isn’t coordinated, but rather is individually hard-wired or just something in the Jewish personality. IOW, a high percentage of Jews are just hateful assholes? This certainly seems more plausible than some sort of conspiracy.

    I say this because you have not (as far as I can recall) argued that Jews are NOT hugely over-represented among the highly destructive. It seems like you basically acknowledge it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  206. indocon says:
    @reactionry

    Satee angle only applies to wives/sisters of upper caste rulers, not lower caste women who often became muslim along with rest of their families once the invading armies took over. If 2 S Asian boys had done this to 2 white girls, your theory would have been spot on.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  207. indocon says:

    What’s the chance this is a hoax?

    • Replies: @Alden
  208. hhsiii says:
    @Thatgirl

    There were no other whites on this bus.

    I always give up my seat to a pregnant woman, and usually if there’s any woman standing. In fact, I usually get up as soon as anyone sits next to me on either side.

  209. @Gene Su

    Funniest thing I ever saw was on ABC News. It was a news story about “Road Rage” and there was footage of a Hispanic (mestizo-type) man getting in a verbal confrontation with a white man. No big deal; standard stuff, right? At the very end a Hispanic man totally uninvolved comes running out and attacks the white man. No words were uttered by the news man concerning THAT attack – a purely racial attack apparently.

    Literally can’t see the forest from the trees in terms of what’s in front of their face.

  210. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    There is an (inherently shaky) high-low alliance against the middle. They both hate the middle, but for different reasons. Elites in a dynamic society such as the US are always on shaky ground and do everything they can to solidify their shaky status. This includes stomping on the fingers of those who are on the ladder right behind you.

    Ashkenazi Jews are over-represented among those who are higher up on the ladder – highly educated, highly affluent, etc. due to their difference in average IQ. Often this status is relatively new for them so they are particularly insecure in this role. Historically they were among the “low” and still identify in their heads as “oppressed” even if they are riding in a BMW. Objectively this may sound crazy but people often have crazy self-perceptions. They are to some extent a “visible” minority in that you can (with a little Jew sniffing) pick them out. For every obnoxious high IQ Jew espousing PC nonsense, there are 3 or 4 obnoxious high IQ non-Jews but they are harder to categorize – maybe 1 is WASP, 1 is Irish, 1 is Italian or various mixes thereof. Nowadays, they are increasingly E and S Asian too. But the Jews seem to get disproportionate attention from some folks here (even beyond their over representation – maybe Jews are 20% of elite Leftists (which is already a 10x over representation) but to some folks here they are 100% of Leftists.

    I wouldn’t say it’s hard wired, except to the extent that IQ is hardwired. The history of Jewish oppression, even if not recent and not in the US, also plays into it as a rationalization if nothing else, the same way the Chinese keep coming back to the Opium Wars in their heads.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @indocon
  211. @Tiny Duck

    The article is not that bad. Some asians try too hard to assimilate and mimic the behavior of white males

    I am familiar with this Tiny Duck commenter. Is he for real? Is he deliberately trolling us? Is this some crypto-alt-right guy trolling us on purpose?

    Does Steve Sailer deliberately not ban this guy because he’s so nutty? Does Steve Sailer ban or discourage more moderate/reasonable disagreement? I don’t care either way about banning lunatics like Tiny Duck, but I’d hope Sailer doesn’t ban or discourage disagreement that isn’t so crazy.

  212. @Sleep

    At first blush, I’d say what these teenagers did went beyond mere lewdness. They committed assault. On a group of children presumably much younger than themselves. Assuming the report is true, that is. I’m surprised the author didn’t spend more time talking about what they did to those young kids.

    Have you seen middle school aged black girls? Plenty of them are full grown women not young kids. The average middle school black girl is as big or bigger than the average high school south Asian male. So, there is not really something going on here of big boys picking on little girls. The girls may well have outweighed the boys there.

    Still, it is assault and they deserve to punished accordingly regardless of the size of their victims.

  213. Alden says:
    @indocon

    100 💯 percent chance it’s another hoax. Purpose; to inundate every school in the district with diversity inclusion counselors, consultants and coordinators

    Jobs for the lads, or in American terms affirmative action jobs for black brown and immigrant women to recite AJC ADL $PLC hate speech about White Christian goyim.

    Or full employment program for black brown and immigrant women

    Pattern recognition I’ve seen the same pattern all my life as the grant grifters and race hustlers take over one institution after another.

  214. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    It’s always been my opinion that Jews rammed affirmative action through congress and the courts to keep the upper and middle class goyim down. So they could rule the dumbies and we goyim just disappeared.

    And lawyers, Drs and accountants aren’t the ruling class. They’re employees of the ruling class.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  215. @Jack D

    If a guy wearing an AC/DC concert t-shirt broke into my house, barged into my living room, doused the sofa with gasoline and tried to set it on fire, and then I whacked him on the head with a frying pan… no reasonable person would say that I hit the guy because I hate the music of AC/DC, or because I have a weird pathological grudge against midgets playing power chords, they would say I did it because the guy was trying to set my living room on fire.

    Mysteriously, everybody on planet Earth except for Jews seems able to intuitively grasp this very basic law of human behavioral dynamics.

  216. indocon says:
    @Jack D

    Money is the real talker, and Jews are 75%+ in Democratic big donor club and 50%+ in Republican club. Illhan Omar was actually correct in here statements about the Benjamins.

  217. @Andy

    “I think the current zeitgeist is to have Asians and Latinos worship blacks the same way white liberals do”

    Bingo. It ain’t going to happen either, just as you observed. What I observed about 20 years ago in Richmond, Va, was that as ese’s moved into the area known as Southside, black hoodlums were gradually driven out of the flea markets. Southside was home to two large flea markets that had usually had black hoodlums preying on the shoppers and vendors.

    The whites would argue with the hoods and sometimes fight them, but from the first, the ese`s didn’t argue, they just fought. When a group of black hoods started trying to steal from any of the Mexican or South American vendors, they would be surrounded by other ese`s and would end up having to flee.

    One of the big flea markets, the indoor one, closed down, but another one opened in a vacated Kmart building and was soon taken over by Spanish speaking vendors. It’s a much safer place to browse than the one that closed earlier. That older market was dominated by black hoodlums and wasn’t a pleasant place at all. The other big flea, Bellwood, is an outdoor venue and has also seen an influx of hispanics and is also a better place to visit now.

    The black vendors that remain are African immigrants for the most part. They are much better behaved than American blacks. The American black would get a small business loan or grant and use it to set up flea market booths, which they rarely opened. They would keep the booth until their money from the grant ran out, then just abandon it. The Africans at least try to run a small business in their booths.

  218. @Alden

    Did they? My impression is WASPs played a bigger role in affirmative action in 1969 than did Jews.

  219. Moses says:
    @Jack D

    You can either say incredibly anti-Semitic stuff (e.g. ‘ “the Jews” has conspired to do unimaginably great harm to the fabric of American society ‘)

    Is something “anti-Semitic” (i.e. “anti-Jew”) if it’s true?

    Jewish groups were the driving force behind the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act opening the floodgates to masses of wildly dissimilar racial/ethic groups to enter America. Congressman Celler, a Jew, was the primary mover for the bill.

    That act has been pretty harmful to the fabric of American society.

    Is it “anti-Semitic” to say so?

    If yes, would you mind defining clearly and unambiguously how you define “anti-Semitic”? Is it any criticism of Jews, or just certain kinds of criticism? That would be helpful, thank you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @keypusher
  220. Anon[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    This story just seems incredibly unlikely to me. There are no South Asian gangs in NJ, while there are black gangs and potential for revenge beatings. It’s not that Indopakilankans have some innately uncriminal dispositions– there are Tamil and Punjabi gangs in Toronto, Muslim gangs in England, etc., but Lawrence NJ? Four girls attacked by two boys in public, some guy urinated on them, and nobody noticed? Again, urination, seriously?

    This (insane behaviour in a low-crime area) reminds me of the Glen Ridge rape incident more than a few years back (which really happened) but in that case: it was not at a public venue, the abusers outnumbered the (single) abused, and nobody urinated (I think, anyway).

    And, as you say, and any policeman knows, people are good people—until they aren’t. Anyone can end up doing anything.

    Except Leo Frank because as we all know apparently murder is “a black thang”.

    • Replies: @nymom
    , @Anon
    , @CCZ
  221. nymom says:
    @interesting

    We will see more and more of this type of person that Booker T. Washington referred to as more immigrants begin to observe the usual bad behavior of Blacks in public spaces…

    Indians, Mexicans, Chinese, most Hispanics will feel no obligation to give Blacks any special consideration the way most Whites in the US have done. This is the real basis of the anti-Asian bias in New York City. They don’t feel that Blacks (unlike DeBlasio and many of his followers on the left) deserve special privileges like getting into the elite science schools without passing the required testing. Of course, Blacks in New York have gotten used to others rolling over for them every time they cry racism and the Asians simply aren’t going along with the program.

    That’s my take on the whole situation…

    This is one good thing about immigration anyway. Although I am sure many liberals visualized it as everyone being against Whites, it is evolving into just the opposite.

  222. nymom says:
    @Anon

    There are many Asians in New Jersey. My granddaughter just began attending school in NJ last year and at all of her school events I have observed many Asians. Actually its the first time I saw female students her age wearing the head scarfs that Muslims do. Most are quiet and well-behaved, and everyone appears to get along well. Not the greatest of friends, but no one starting trouble. There are some but few African Americans and, as per usual, clustered in the back during the performance making mischief. Never able to sit quietly and watch a performance by other students. A constant source of disruption throughout the entire event.

    The behaviors can change, of course, as the demographic do…

  223. nymom says:
    @Gene Su

    I think you can be a racist and not harm anybody…

    A racist, I believe, is just someone who believes their particular race is better than others. This could mean these are the people they associate with, kids go to school with, and eventually marry, probably move into neighborhoods mostly populated by people like themselves.

    It’s pro your race, it doesn’t necessary translate into hating and trying to kill every other one.

    Isn’t that the origins of these little ‘ghettos’ we see in the US, like Chinatown, Little Italy, etc., the only people who seem to have a problem with it are African-Americans. They seem determined to be able to live in every neighborhood, attend every school, insert themselves into every cultural event usually bringing chaos in their wake.

    Maybe this story is Blacks realizing that Asians don’t like them and trying to rationalize it now…Most Asians probably don’t like anyone except their own people…I don’t even know if they like Whites; but so far, at least, we can attend schools together and live side-by-side relatively peacefully with no one bothering the other…

    • Replies: @Jack D
  224. Jack D says:
    @Moses

    I think John Hay, speaking of his good friend Henry Adams, came up with a good working definition: when Henry “saw Vesuvius reddening … [he] searched for a Jew stoking the fire.”

    In other words, the tendency to attribute anything bad that happens solely to the Jews. Note that the name of the bill was HART-Celler but you only mentioned Celler. What about Sen. Hart of Michigan, whose name came first on the bill? “The grandson of Irish immigrants, Philip Hart was born in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, to Philip Aloysius and Ann (née Clyde) Hart. His father was a banker who served as president of the Bryn Mawr Trust Company. He received his early education at Waldron Academy, and then attended West Philadelphia Catholic High School.” (from the wiki)

    Isn’t Hart (and the Irish and the Catholic Church since the Jews must bear Celler’s sin) equally at fault? And yet not a word from you about him or them.

    I would also add the tendency to imagine that Jews act in a conspiratorial manner to do their evil deeds. Whatever Hart did was his alone but whatever a Jew does is part of a Jewish conspiracy. Also, apparently Jews think big in the mind of an anti-Semite. Other people do things for selfish or petty reasons, but when Jews do something bad, it’s in furtherance of their imaginary conspiracy to destroy Western civilization and to rule the planet.

    • Replies: @Moses
    , @Anonymous
  225. Jack D says:
    @nymom

    Most Asians probably don’t like anyone except their own people…I don’t even know if they like Whites;

    Perhaps that’s true of the immigrant parents but American born Asian kids (aside from devout Muslims where the religion perhaps puts a damper on friendships) get along swimmingly with whites. My kids have S. and E. Asian friends and everyone gets along fine – the kids pick their friends according to their interests and not by race. Perhaps in schools where there is a higher % of Asians they form Asian cliques (or more particularly Vietnamese cliques, Bengali cliques, etc.) but at least in settings where there aren’t too many of them they seem to like white people just fine. And some E. Asian women seem to prefer white men over their own.

  226. nymom says:
    @eah

    Why wasn’t Elizabeth Warren arrested and sentenced then for a similar crime…

  227. In 2013 I was talking to a white anti-ractist church pastor getting a degree in black studies. He explained while pointing to his copy of “How the Irish Became White” that whiteness isn’t real. Then he said, “I expect that Asians will be next to become white.” Apparently this view has been around for a while.

  228. Anon[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Punjabi gangs operate in Vancouver/Surrey. A little bit in Calgary too.

    Tamil gangs used to be a problem in Toronto/Mississaugua, but not anymore after LTTE collapsed.

    There was some Indian gang activity in NYC in the 90s, but not sure if it’s still an issue.

    Some of the poorer parts of NJ (like Edison) had Indian gangs in the 80s and 90s, but not really anymore.

    Sacramento/Yuba used to have Punjabi gangs, but that’s in decline.

    Other than Vancouver/Surrey, there’s no serious Indian gang problem anywhere.

  229. keypusher says:
    @Moses

    If yes, would you mind defining clearly and unambiguously how you define “anti-Semitic”? Is it any criticism of Jews, or just certain kinds of criticism?

    No, just cretinous hysterics like the following:

    Jewish groups were the driving force behind the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act opening the floodgates to masses of wildly dissimilar racial/ethic groups to enter America.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Moses
  230. Jack D says:
    @keypusher

    Explaining anti-Semitism to “Moses” is like trying to explain water to a fish.

    • Replies: @Moses
  231. Moses says:
    @Jack D

    Thanks for your answer, Jack.

    I think John Hay, speaking of his good friend Henry Adams, came up with a good working definition: when Henry “saw Vesuvius reddening … [he] searched for a Jew stoking the fire.”

    That is snark, mensch, and you know it. It’s not an answer at all unless you are suggesting that “All criticism of Jews is “anti-Semitic.”

    I asked an honest question — is all criticism of Jews “anti-Semitism” or just some kinds? If just some kinds, what are the litmus tests?

    Would you mind helping a Fellow Jew to understand better?

    In other words, the tendency to attribute anything bad that happens solely to the Jews.

    Must have missed this. Did someone blame the Jews for the Mt St Helens eruption? For hurricanes? I think we can all agree that’s nonsense. Let’s be adults again if you don’t mind.

    You’re not addressing the question about Hart-Celler here.

    Isn’t Hart (and the Irish and the Catholic Church since the Jews must bear Celler’s sin) equally at fault? And yet not a word from you about him or them.

    Sure, Hart and other gentiles were involved in this this act. And yes they bear some responsibility.

    But that’s entirely beside the point I was making.

    My point was that Jewish groups were a central, disproportionately-represented group pushing relentlessly to remove immigration restrictions favoring Northern Europe. Finally they succeeded in 1965.

    It was good for the Jews, not so much for America.

    Congressman Celler lobbied FDR repeatedly during WW2 to lift restrictions and help more Jews immigrate to the USA. When signing Hart-Celler, LBJ mentioned only Celler publicly. Weird.

    Don’t take my word for it. Google it yourself.

    I would also add the tendency to imagine that Jews act in a conspiratorial manner to do their evil deeds.

    I’m not claiming any conspiracy here. Just noticing patterns.

    We Jews tend to act in our own interest (like importing millions of culturally, racially dissimilar aliens because Jews prefer multi-ethnic societies so we are not the only “other”) which often is contrary to interests of our White, non-Jew fellow citizens.

    Is it “anti-Semitic” to recognize patterns?

    Other people do things for selfish or petty reasons, but when Jews do something bad, it’s in furtherance of their imaginary conspiracy to destroy Western civilization and to rule the planet.

    Again, just patterns and group interest. No conspiracy required.

    If I could show you that Jews (and by “Jews” I’m talking population means of which you and I are outliers, Jack) act repeatedly to increase immigration, and are disproportionately represented among the persons doing so, would it be “anti-Semitic” to state the truth?

    It doesn’t matter why Jews as a group tend to engage in this behavior. All that matters is we do it.

    Cue the ad hominem attack. Shalom.

  232. Moses says:
    @keypusher

    No, just cretinous hysterics like the following:

    Jewish groups were the driving force behind the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act opening the floodgates to masses of wildly dissimilar racial/ethic groups to enter America.

    Ah, ad hominem. Don’t bother to refute the point. Always the mark of a sound thinker.

    Hypothetical: If it were true that Jewish groups were disproportionately represented in repeatedly pushing to change 1924 immigration laws favoring Northern Europe, would it be “anti-Semitic” to make that observation?

    Honest question.

  233. Moses says:
    @Jack D

    Explaining anti-Semitism to “Moses” is like trying to explain water to a fish.

    I totally don’t understand that, but ok.

    I am honestly trying to understand if all criticism of Jews is “anti-Semitic” or just some criticism? And if just some, how do we tell which is which?

    All I get from you is snark and weird quotes about “anti-Semitic” volcanoes.

    I gather from your responses (and correct me if I’m wrong) that all criticism of Jewish behavior is “anti-Semitic.”

  234. Jmaie says:

    Took a picture but was unable to insert it, you’ll need to use imagination. Consider a wooded area with walking paths and a signpost at the front. Consider further that someone one had painted graffiti on the post. No nearby commercial activity so no one just walking by on their way somewhere else. Strictly a place to jog or walk the pooches.

    Surrounding area is isolated, 96% white, so you can guess the skin color of the them what done the deed. While it’s tempting to see the assumed ethnicity of the perpetrator(s) as simplifying the story and not raising questions about whether the vandalism should be thought of as racist, I see it through a different lens.

    Instead of asking what the boys’ assumed racial identity tells us about the nature of the postal attack, we should see the poor fellows as enacting American POC-ness through vandalism in a very traditional way. In doing so, the assailants are demonstrating how race is a social construct that people make through their actions. They show race in the making, and show how race is something we perform, not just something we are in our blood or in the color of our skin.

    At first blush, this vandalism sounds nauseatingly familiar, like the run-of-the-mill American postal damage that has always been common but has become increasingly revealed thanks to the unrelenting aggrandizement of ghetto culture shared on all popular media.

    One potent way of being American, no matter where you or your parents are from, is enacting anti-whiteness. And traditionally, acting out anti-whiteness has meant acting people-of-color-ish. 40 years of rhythmic barnyard animals grunting has indeed reversed the poles of cultural dominance.

  235. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Catholicism was almost as bad as the Jews at tolerating and encouraging race mixing and there are a lot more Catholics. Even before Vatican II.

  236. MEH 0910 says:
    @Tiny Duck

  237. @indocon

    W.C. muttered some thanks and something about one can’t be expected to know everything about the subcontinent. He then dredged up the famous anecdote about the British helping to end the custom of suttee with the English “custom” of hanging those who perpetrate that horrid practice and went on to claim that while at some Anglo-American-Indian dinner, Alice Roosevelt Longworthless said, “If you have something bad to say about the British rule of India, have a suttee next to me; mind if *you* smoke?”

    [MORE]

    When I tried to end the dreary session, Winston roared, “Don’ touch that channel! He slurred on that the Brits stamped out the thugees of the Kali strangling cult and that it was alluded to in the Rolling Stones “Sympathy For The Devil.” As I started to dose off, he asked if I was aware that the PRC had banned “Sympathy For The Foreign Devil.”
    He finally wrapped things up after being threatened with an exorcism with an apology for the remark about not peeing on those who had been set on fire and stressed that his impassioned hortatory regarding British acts which had led to the Amritsar massacre and stampede turned the tide of opinion in England. The last words heard last Halloween seemed to be, “Wogs begin at L.A.”

  238. CCZ says:
    @Anon

    No PEE-PEE !!

    “Lawrence Police find ‘no evidence’ of urination but make another arrest in bias crime.”

    LAWRENCE — Authorities found “no evidence” of a pee-shower attack but have charged another teen of Indian descent with harassment for last month’s infamous Lawrence High School bias crime.

    Three 17-year-old boys of Indian heritage used racially derogatory language toward a group of black female students at the homecoming football game Oct. 18, officials alleged Friday in a news release.

    The Mercer County Prosecutor’s Office and Lawrence Township Police Department have conducted a “lengthy investigation” and failed to obtain any evidence to support the allegations that students attending the football game were urinated upon, cops said, effectively debunking the most sensational aspect of this nationwide story.

    https://www.trentonian.com/news/lawrence-police-find-no-evidence-of-urination-but-make-another/article_a55a79de-fd0a-11e9-8971-830b81cffa3a.html

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