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From the New York Times:

America Last: Trump’s Attack on the Amazon Job Machine

By Timothy Egan
Contributing Opinion Writer

May 25, 2018

Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon and owner of The Washington Post, met at Trump Tower with Donald Trump after the 2016 election. So why does the president hate him?

President Trump has declared war on Amazon, the nation’s second most valuable company. Amazon is creating more jobs than all but a handful of entire states. And nearly every major city in the country is vying to land the second headquarters of this global retailer and the 50,000 high-paying positions it promises to bring.

It is perhaps the biggest job engine in the United States, and Trump is using the power of his office to hurt it.d

Actually, Jeff Bezos somehow seems to be doing okay for himself in this dictatorial Age of Trump. Bezos’s net worth has gone up over $60 billion since 2016.

Exactly how much richer would the World’s Richest Man (current net worth $132.3 billion) be if strongman Literally Hitler Drumpf weren’t out to destroy Bezos by trying to make him pay his fair share for his postage stamps?

 
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  1. Mishra says:

    If Literally Hitler came back and engaged in a life-or-death struggle with Literally Hitler Trump, the NYT and its ilk would find themselves, oh where is that “Daily Struggle” gif?

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Satire is impossible nowadays: refer any legacy media coverage of North Korea, from praising the Norks' fashion sense and courtesy at the Olympics, to praising the Norks' calmheadedness and generosity in verbally claiming to be open to new negotiations. We do have a modern day supremacist militaristic totalitarian dictator, and yes, the media is openly on his side as a proof of how much they hate Trump.
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  2. 2040 presidential debate: octogenarian mech-suit roboBezos (D) battles genetically-engineered flamethrower wielding Six Billion Dollar Musk (I)

    The R candidates have been banned from appearing on TV by the Harris-Lieu Hate Speech Act of 2029

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  3. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Tommy Robinson update
    A German anon links a court document laying out that Robinson was on suspended sentence for filming Muslims leaving law court premises, and had been sternly warned that if Robinson called any Muslim a pedophile before that person had been found guilty, or if Robinson was found outside a court holding a camera, it was straight to prison; Robinson himself talked about the suspended sentence, walking a fine line, and expecting imminent arrest.
    There is also word that the police are preparing a Gestapo-worthy dawn raid on all known nationalist-leaning activist sites.

    In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon [Robinson's real name], turn up at another court, refer to people as “Muslim paedophiles, Muslim rapists” and so on and so forth while trials are ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury that that is what they are, and you will find yourself inside [prison].

    https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/coc-yaxley-lennon-20170522.pdf

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    Follow-up to this: remember that guy who trained his dog to Hitlergruesse? He was totally mobbed by photographers when he entered and left the court, and no nonsense about innocence until a jury finds otherwise.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    Tommy Robinson seems like a stooge for the Jews in Britain. He goes on and on about the Muslims but he never talks about the role Jews in England have played in pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration.

    Having said that, Tommy Robinson is a brave man who deserves respect for his public challenge to the English ruling class on multiculturalism, Islamization and mass immigration. Tommy Robinson's work to describe what damage mass immigration has done to his hometown of Luton is very good, too.

    Theresa May Is A Puppet Whore For The Evil English Ruling Class

    FREE TOMMY ROBINSON NOW!
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  4. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Mishra
    If Literally Hitler came back and engaged in a life-or-death struggle with Literally Hitler Trump, the NYT and its ilk would find themselves, oh where is that "Daily Struggle" gif?

    Satire is impossible nowadays: refer any legacy media coverage of North Korea, from praising the Norks’ fashion sense and courtesy at the Olympics, to praising the Norks’ calmheadedness and generosity in verbally claiming to be open to new negotiations. We do have a modern day supremacist militaristic totalitarian dictator, and yes, the media is openly on his side as a proof of how much they hate Trump.

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  5. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Great White Defendant Hunt Catches Four
    Four white students allegedly drew swastikas on sidewalks. They were not caught in the act and might be completely innocent.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-swastika-high-school-20180524-story,amp.html

    And this is in the Baltimore court system, so these kids are doomed. For my lifetime hate grafitti has not been real, but it has been believed in religiously, with all the faith of any moral panic; now these four lads will be constantly discussed and will have multiple media products defaming them as real-life American History X characters.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    OT Great White Defendant Hunt Catches Four
    Four white students allegedly drew swastikas on sidewalks. They were not caught in the act and might be completely innocent.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-swastika-high-school-20180524-story,amp.html

    And this is in the Baltimore court system, so these kids are doomed. For my lifetime hate grafitti has not been real, but it has been believed in religiously, with all the faith of any moral panic; now these four lads will be constantly discussed and will have multiple media products defaming them as real-life American History X characters.
     
    Once again, as in the case of the cotton balls dropped on Mizzou's campus, we have an insane abuse of process by a prosecutor who ignores the law as dictated by the Supreme Court. This is a pure speech crime. It's unconstitutional even according to those who for practical purposes make that decision.
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  6. Maybe my memory is getting faulty in my old age, or it maybe I remember some old episodes of “All in the Family” or “Rosanne” But didn’t liberals in the past want to break up monopolies, protect the working class from the ultra rich predators, tax the rich, blame tax breaks and government subsidies on Republicans?

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    • Replies: @Aardvark
    This is an example of why liberals have no real principles. They will switch positions on almost anything when it is necessary to be a pain in the ass. I think they normally would have complained Bezos wasn’t paying his “fair share”, but since they have to hate Trump more, what Bezos does is irrelevant. Besides, can one newspaper attack the owner of another newspaper? Methinks the unwritten code is no. In that light: Bezos 2, Trump 0.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    This is the US Government:

    Mr. Taylor, your memory is getting faulty. These signs of senility require the confiscation of your firearms per HateCode 42:13 stroke B. All Rosanne and All in the Family episodes (besides the Edith Bunker - Cling Peaches one) have been recalled per Ministry of Truth executive orders, and should no longer be in your premises.

    YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
    , @Travis
    remember when leftists despised the CIA and FBI....today the leftists are the biggest fans of the CIA, NSA and FBI and support secret surveillance of Americans based on unverified opposition research...Remember when leftists did not trust the CIA and changed our laws to outlaw their powers to spy on Americans ?

    Leftists today support the CIA’s spying on American citizens and are not bothered by FBI spies infiltrating a rival campaign, and wiretaps of political opponents, unmasking, and lying to federal judges, they do not want any of this investigated because they know it will tarnish the Obama administration.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    But didn’t liberals in the past want to break up monopolies ...
     
    Sure, but that was before they controlled them.
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  7. Imagine how evil the future president is that comes to be known as “Literally Dhrumphnph”.

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  8. Aardvark says:
    @George Taylor
    Maybe my memory is getting faulty in my old age, or it maybe I remember some old episodes of "All in the Family" or "Rosanne" But didn't liberals in the past want to break up monopolies, protect the working class from the ultra rich predators, tax the rich, blame tax breaks and government subsidies on Republicans?

    This is an example of why liberals have no real principles. They will switch positions on almost anything when it is necessary to be a pain in the ass. I think they normally would have complained Bezos wasn’t paying his “fair share”, but since they have to hate Trump more, what Bezos does is irrelevant. Besides, can one newspaper attack the owner of another newspaper? Methinks the unwritten code is no. In that light: Bezos 2, Trump 0.

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    To be fair though, conservatives have completely switched their position on whether corporations should be able to do whatever they want now that corporations like Google and Amazon are demonetizing blogs, etc.
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  9. GU says:

    Note also that the Trump administration filed an amicus brief in the pending South Dakota v. Wayfair case in support of forcing virtually all internet retailers to collect state and local sales tax, no matter how de minimis their operations in the state or locality.

    Because Amazon already collects sales tax in every state that levies one, forcing everyone else to collect will be good for Amazon. Not only will it lead to tax parity, it will put a lot of small and medium competitors out of business, because multistate compliance is very expensive for small companies. Amazon’s size makes compliance a lot cheaper, relatively speaking, because there are large fixed costs involved with sales tax compliance, but variable costs of compliance due to higher sales volume are not high.

    Hardly seems anti-Amazon to me.

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    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Not only will it lead to tax parity, it will put a lot of small and medium competitors out of business, because multistate compliance is very expensive for small companies.
     
    I can't see why. I am sure there are outsourcing services that keep a database of all state and county sales taxes that is updated by computer, and that billing of sales taxes can be automated, and does not need to be calculated by hand for each order.

    Amazon used to make the same claim that working out sales taxes for lots of different places was just too hard for simple mail order folks who could not do a lot of fancy math.

    By the way, Bezos's wealth is not based on profits from shipping stuff, but on the value of Amazon stock, which is related, but not exactly the same thing.
    , @RonaldB
    Here's another perspective.

    One huge benefit of ordering through the internet used to be that you could avoid state taxes. This put local merchants at a disadvantage and centralized commerce in a few huge, interstate operations. This not only loses local jobs and tax revenues, but makes the average customer and supplier more vulnerable to political strong-arming. During the Presidential campaign, Macy's eliminated the Trump line of clothing, and I closed my Macy's account, telling them I was closing my account not because of their views, but because of their attempt to damage a candidate financially.

    Anyway, I now buy locally when I can, even if it's possible to avoid the sales tax. Will I really benefit by saving a few dollars and have the environment in which I live consist of unemployed people and underfunded infrastructure?
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  10. Twinkie says:

    “Hankook Mirae” literally means “Korea[n] Future.” Wouldn’t it be nice if America’s richest man were getting kick out of piloting a robot thanks to a company called “America’s Future”?

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  11. Lot says:

    Leftists gleefully approve of someone dumping water of Trump defender Tomi Lehran while she was at a restaurant eating with her mother:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/joshnorthsouth/status/999121249828732928

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/05/the-funniest-tweets-about-tomi-lahren-getting-wate-1.html

    The public in general doesn’t like Trump, fortunately for us these creeps can’t help but show themselves to be worse. The inability to speak in anything but snark, the moral preening, a man advocating an assult on a young woman over politics, it is all there. We just need another wave of BLM riots in the month before the midterms.

    Twitter has been really destructive for the left because it bypasses the MSM and liberal elite gatekeepers who used to restrain, moderate, and hide the leftist id.

    We have our own unleashed creeps on the right too, but we are also generally more disciplined and polite. It isn’t possible to imagine millions of likes and retweets of people celebrating an assult on Lena Dunham or Rachel Maddow.

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    Lamenting political violence against young white women while hoping for more of it to be perpetrated by BLM so your side can win an election. How many young white women would need to be victimized to have the impact you're hoping for?
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  12. @George Taylor
    Maybe my memory is getting faulty in my old age, or it maybe I remember some old episodes of "All in the Family" or "Rosanne" But didn't liberals in the past want to break up monopolies, protect the working class from the ultra rich predators, tax the rich, blame tax breaks and government subsidies on Republicans?

    This is the US Government:

    Mr. Taylor, your memory is getting faulty. These signs of senility require the confiscation of your firearms per HateCode 42:13 stroke B. All Rosanne and All in the Family episodes (besides the Edith Bunker – Cling Peaches one) have been recalled per Ministry of Truth executive orders, and should no longer be in your premises.

    YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

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  13. Amazon is creating more jobs than all but a handful of entire states.

    Really, NYT? Isn’t Amazon responsible for the loss of many times more jobs in retail than it has created? Doesn’t everyone know this?

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    • Replies: @TheBoom
    People who work in retail tend not to be the worthy people who read the NYT and they, especially, aren't the billionaires who speak truth to power and, coincidentally, bail out newspapers and help reporters keep well paying jobs.
    , @RonaldB
    Unfortunately, sometimes the economy of scale ensures that the only way to get an item is through a national internet shipper. For example, I called several local electronics stores to get a keycap puller, and none of them had even heard of it. I finally ordered it through Amazon.
    , @Brutusale
    Never mind the loss of retail jobs. Working for Amazon seems like the life of a cotton chopper in 1845 South Carolina.

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/7-examples-how-amazon-treats-their-90000-warehouse.html

    https://gizmodo.com/reminder-amazon-treats-its-employees-like-shit-1792642652

    Maybe this is all just Millennial whinging, but there's too much smoke for there not to be a fire.
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  14. I thought a few weeks ago Amazon was the subject of progressive hate because employees had to urinate in bottles and didn’t have sick days or something.

    https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/amazon-warehouse-workers-pee-into-bottles-to-avoid-wasting-time-undercover-investigator/

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    I thought a few weeks ago Amazon was the subject of progressive hate because employees had to urinate in bottles and didn’t have sick days or something.

    https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/amazon-warehouse-workers-pee-into-bottles-to-avoid-wasting-time-undercover-investigator/
     
    Remember that when you unpack those goods from that Amazon Box. The last thing that order picker touched before your merchandise was his dick.
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  15. Amazon is creating more jobs than all but a handful of entire states.

    By destroying entire industries and employing the newly jobless as peons.

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  16. Socialist seattle is also trying to get money out of amazon so that they can pay their fair share. Awkward!

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  17. Travis says:
    @George Taylor
    Maybe my memory is getting faulty in my old age, or it maybe I remember some old episodes of "All in the Family" or "Rosanne" But didn't liberals in the past want to break up monopolies, protect the working class from the ultra rich predators, tax the rich, blame tax breaks and government subsidies on Republicans?

    remember when leftists despised the CIA and FBI….today the leftists are the biggest fans of the CIA, NSA and FBI and support secret surveillance of Americans based on unverified opposition research…Remember when leftists did not trust the CIA and changed our laws to outlaw their powers to spy on Americans ?

    Leftists today support the CIA’s spying on American citizens and are not bothered by FBI spies infiltrating a rival campaign, and wiretaps of political opponents, unmasking, and lying to federal judges, they do not want any of this investigated because they know it will tarnish the Obama administration.

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    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    And isn't it interesting that efficiency and time to market is supposed to be something to advance, UNLESS it involves guns? In Illinois, our so-called Illinois "Gun Lobby" in 1968 gave us an IL State Police Firearms Owners ID card, a 24-hour waiting period on long guns, and 72-hours on hand guns. That means in order for an Illinois citizen to get a firearm, they will have to wait a MONTH to exercise their Second Amendment RIGHTS. And add to that the so-called FBI "Instant Check" to purchase your firearm. Now the gun controllers (Which former Republican Gov. candidate Jeanne Ives is - her campaign site cited a ban on bump stocks and hand cranks as 'reasonable gun control,' i.e. surrendered immediately to gun controllers.) want to extend firearms waiting period to 72-hours for ALL long guns. And where is the leftists outrage over the waste and environmental damage of TWO trips to the gun shop when with the "Instant Check" it could be reduced to ONE? Thousands of wasted gallons of gas and people's time to make Gun Controllers happy! Get rid of the IL FOID card and fire the ISP people that process the forms.
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  18. USPS should price their services like regular companies do. The issue doesn’t need to be a public drama.

    Amazon is a jewel that the US should be cherished. And it is. I imagine Trump has some strategy behind insulting Amazon that I don’t see. Bezos does have terrible political views that he’s public about. WaPo is horrible and deserves the insults.

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    Amazon is a jewel that the US should be cherished.
     
    Jewel? It's Sears&Roebuck crossed with the Stasi.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    The US Pension Service should be dismantled. It's an obsolete relic, like the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
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  19. Integrity Staffing Solutions v. Busk

    NYTimes is just fine with Amazon not paying low wage workers for all of the tasks they are required to do. SCOTUS is too, ruling 9-0 against the workers.

    Left is the wrong word for people who do not represent workers. Trump is to the left of the NYTimes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/business/supreme-court-rules-against-worker-pay-for-security-screenings.html

    https://www.thenation.com/article/supreme-court-case-shows-how-amazon-legally-cheats-workers/

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecca-smith/amazon-warehouse-workers_b_8577952.html

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  20. @GU
    Note also that the Trump administration filed an amicus brief in the pending South Dakota v. Wayfair case in support of forcing virtually all internet retailers to collect state and local sales tax, no matter how de minimis their operations in the state or locality.

    Because Amazon already collects sales tax in every state that levies one, forcing everyone else to collect will be good for Amazon. Not only will it lead to tax parity, it will put a lot of small and medium competitors out of business, because multistate compliance is very expensive for small companies. Amazon’s size makes compliance a lot cheaper, relatively speaking, because there are large fixed costs involved with sales tax compliance, but variable costs of compliance due to higher sales volume are not high.

    Hardly seems anti-Amazon to me.

    Not only will it lead to tax parity, it will put a lot of small and medium competitors out of business, because multistate compliance is very expensive for small companies.

    I can’t see why. I am sure there are outsourcing services that keep a database of all state and county sales taxes that is updated by computer, and that billing of sales taxes can be automated, and does not need to be calculated by hand for each order.

    Amazon used to make the same claim that working out sales taxes for lots of different places was just too hard for simple mail order folks who could not do a lot of fancy math.

    By the way, Bezos’s wealth is not based on profits from shipping stuff, but on the value of Amazon stock, which is related, but not exactly the same thing.

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    Software can keep a list of tax rates, that is true. But state laws vary widely on the taxability of various goods and services. There are lots of close calls that are not susceptible to an off-the-shelf answer. Some states don’t tax clothing. Is a scarf “clothing”? How about a sweatband? How about clothing for dogs, is that exempt too? The tax statutes—and by extension “automated” tax software—don’t tell you.

    Even if you can figure out how all of your products are taxed among the thousands of taxing jurisdictions in the U.S., syncing up your internal systems to the tax software takes a lot of (expensive) time and effort. Oh, and then you have to monitor changes in the sales tax laws (common) and continually update your analysis accordingly.

    Then, once you register to collect tax, every jurisdiction can thereafter audit your business. Ever dealt with a sales tax audit? Invasive and expensive. How many small businesses are set up to deal with one jurisdiction without drastic interruptions in normal business operations, let alone several concurrent audits?

    And even if you survive the state and local governments, the plaintiffs lawyers can come for their piece of the action, bringing a class action consumer fraud lawsuit for overcollection or a false claims act lawsuit for undercollection. Even if you complied 100% with the law and their theory is bogus, it will cost a bundle to get rid of these lawsuits.

    During an audit or in court, guess how much your “outsourced” software solution counts for? If you guessed “nothing,” you’re correct! You can’t rely on it to avoid paying tax, interest, or penalties out of pocket that you should have collected. Multistate sales tax compliance entails both large direct costs in addition to a big risk exposure for the involuntary tax collector.
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  21. GU says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Not only will it lead to tax parity, it will put a lot of small and medium competitors out of business, because multistate compliance is very expensive for small companies.
     
    I can't see why. I am sure there are outsourcing services that keep a database of all state and county sales taxes that is updated by computer, and that billing of sales taxes can be automated, and does not need to be calculated by hand for each order.

    Amazon used to make the same claim that working out sales taxes for lots of different places was just too hard for simple mail order folks who could not do a lot of fancy math.

    By the way, Bezos's wealth is not based on profits from shipping stuff, but on the value of Amazon stock, which is related, but not exactly the same thing.

    Software can keep a list of tax rates, that is true. But state laws vary widely on the taxability of various goods and services. There are lots of close calls that are not susceptible to an off-the-shelf answer. Some states don’t tax clothing. Is a scarf “clothing”? How about a sweatband? How about clothing for dogs, is that exempt too? The tax statutes—and by extension “automated” tax software—don’t tell you.

    Even if you can figure out how all of your products are taxed among the thousands of taxing jurisdictions in the U.S., syncing up your internal systems to the tax software takes a lot of (expensive) time and effort. Oh, and then you have to monitor changes in the sales tax laws (common) and continually update your analysis accordingly.

    Then, once you register to collect tax, every jurisdiction can thereafter audit your business. Ever dealt with a sales tax audit? Invasive and expensive. How many small businesses are set up to deal with one jurisdiction without drastic interruptions in normal business operations, let alone several concurrent audits?

    And even if you survive the state and local governments, the plaintiffs lawyers can come for their piece of the action, bringing a class action consumer fraud lawsuit for overcollection or a false claims act lawsuit for undercollection. Even if you complied 100% with the law and their theory is bogus, it will cost a bundle to get rid of these lawsuits.

    During an audit or in court, guess how much your “outsourced” software solution counts for? If you guessed “nothing,” you’re correct! You can’t rely on it to avoid paying tax, interest, or penalties out of pocket that you should have collected. Multistate sales tax compliance entails both large direct costs in addition to a big risk exposure for the involuntary tax collector.

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    Some states don’t tax clothing. Is a scarf “clothing”? How about a sweatband? How about clothing for dogs, is that exempt too? The tax statutes—and by extension “automated” tax software—don’t tell you.

    Then, once you register to collect tax, every jurisdiction can thereafter audit your business.
     
    If that is the case, then every small business in the US must have to address these issues.

    However perhaps the real issue is the need for general tax reform. The VAT system in Europe does not seem to have to deal with issues such as whether a cold-weather testicle sock for a dog is taxable in a semitropical state like Hawaii.
    , @RonaldB
    You give a very good account of a government compliance system run amuck. It makes sense that you oppose the imposition of state sales taxes on internet businesses.

    The counter argument is that local business suppliers are put at a disadvantage, not because of the efficiency or convenience of their services, but because they can avoid paying the tax that affects locally-sold products.

    A legal system that attempts to be completely consistent is not only impossible, but as you point out, provides the platform for profiteering attorneys and state bureaucrats to game the system for their own profit at the expense of the real businessman. It's an example of third-world government.

    On thinking about it, I can offer the suggestion that shipping companies simply refuse to ship to states that refuse to indemnify them against arbitrary and intrusive lawsuits and bureaucratic actions.
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  22. Mr. Anon says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    USPS should price their services like regular companies do. The issue doesn't need to be a public drama.

    Amazon is a jewel that the US should be cherished. And it is. I imagine Trump has some strategy behind insulting Amazon that I don't see. Bezos does have terrible political views that he's public about. WaPo is horrible and deserves the insults.

    Amazon is a jewel that the US should be cherished.

    Jewel? It’s Sears&Roebuck crossed with the Stasi.

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  23. Mr. Anon says:
    @Chris Mallory
    I thought a few weeks ago Amazon was the subject of progressive hate because employees had to urinate in bottles and didn't have sick days or something.

    https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/amazon-warehouse-workers-pee-into-bottles-to-avoid-wasting-time-undercover-investigator/

    I thought a few weeks ago Amazon was the subject of progressive hate because employees had to urinate in bottles and didn’t have sick days or something.

    https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/amazon-warehouse-workers-pee-into-bottles-to-avoid-wasting-time-undercover-investigator/

    Remember that when you unpack those goods from that Amazon Box. The last thing that order picker touched before your merchandise was his dick.

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    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Remember that when you unpack those goods from that Amazon Box. The last thing that order picker touched before your merchandise was his dick.
     
    Shouldn't that be "his or her" dick?
    , @RonaldB
    Amazon is heavily automated and becoming more so, so the most contamination you might get in the future would be a bit of oil or grease.
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  24. J.Ross says: • Website
    @J.Ross
    OT Tommy Robinson update
    A German anon links a court document laying out that Robinson was on suspended sentence for filming Muslims leaving law court premises, and had been sternly warned that if Robinson called any Muslim a pedophile before that person had been found guilty, or if Robinson was found outside a court holding a camera, it was straight to prison; Robinson himself talked about the suspended sentence, walking a fine line, and expecting imminent arrest.
    There is also word that the police are preparing a Gestapo-worthy dawn raid on all known nationalist-leaning activist sites.

    In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon [Robinson's real name], turn up at another court, refer to people as "Muslim paedophiles, Muslim rapists" and so on and so forth while trials are ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury that that is what they are, and you will find yourself inside [prison].
     
    https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/coc-yaxley-lennon-20170522.pdf

    Follow-up to this: remember that guy who trained his dog to Hitlergruesse? He was totally mobbed by photographers when he entered and left the court, and no nonsense about innocence until a jury finds otherwise.

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  25. Thomas says:

    Funny, but in Seattle, heart of the “jobs machine,” Amazon has been out of favor with the city passing a per-hour head tax on employees of large businesses, mostly targeted on Amazon. The rationale is to provide housing for the homeless that have allegedly been hit by rising rents caused by Amazon (though of course few people are really homeless because they can’t afford the rent so much as they can’t afford the rent and drugs, and the chief beneficiaries of the tax are likely to be the program’s administrators, per usual). Amazon can threaten to move jobs from Seattle to, say, Phoenix (which it just did in the last couple days) but I guess can’t threaten to use another country’s postal service.

    Of course, these debates about the impact of big business on a local economy provoke much debate and chin stroking in the press on both sides, as opposed to a reflexive calculus of Trump=evil.

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  26. Bill P says:

    They aren’t going to use that money on the homeless. It’s pure patronage. The money will be doled out to rich kids working for nonprofits and politically cohesive groups like the Somalis and homosexuals, who occupy a disproportionate number of low income units.

    The homeless don’t even vote – at least not deliberately – so they will get nothing more than a few sandwiches and free needles to hasten their next heroin overdose.

    Amazon should pull out of Seattle. I’ve never liked Bezos or his company, but if he bailed on Seattle I’d cheer him on.

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  27. @George Taylor
    Maybe my memory is getting faulty in my old age, or it maybe I remember some old episodes of "All in the Family" or "Rosanne" But didn't liberals in the past want to break up monopolies, protect the working class from the ultra rich predators, tax the rich, blame tax breaks and government subsidies on Republicans?

    But didn’t liberals in the past want to break up monopolies …

    Sure, but that was before they controlled them.

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  28. David says:
    @Lot
    Leftists gleefully approve of someone dumping water of Trump defender Tomi Lehran while she was at a restaurant eating with her mother:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/joshnorthsouth/status/999121249828732928

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/05/the-funniest-tweets-about-tomi-lahren-getting-wate-1.html

    The public in general doesn't like Trump, fortunately for us these creeps can't help but show themselves to be worse. The inability to speak in anything but snark, the moral preening, a man advocating an assult on a young woman over politics, it is all there. We just need another wave of BLM riots in the month before the midterms.

    Twitter has been really destructive for the left because it bypasses the MSM and liberal elite gatekeepers who used to restrain, moderate, and hide the leftist id.

    We have our own unleashed creeps on the right too, but we are also generally more disciplined and polite. It isn't possible to imagine millions of likes and retweets of people celebrating an assult on Lena Dunham or Rachel Maddow.

    Lamenting political violence against young white women while hoping for more of it to be perpetrated by BLM so your side can win an election. How many young white women would need to be victimized to have the impact you’re hoping for?

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  29. David says:

    I live in a very rural place and 90% of my amazon purchase come UPS or, more rarely, Fed Ex. This ship-to location should be a high cost but USPS, which just gets items to a PO box, not to my door, is apparently not competitive unless the item is very small.

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  30. @Mr. Anon

    I thought a few weeks ago Amazon was the subject of progressive hate because employees had to urinate in bottles and didn’t have sick days or something.

    https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/amazon-warehouse-workers-pee-into-bottles-to-avoid-wasting-time-undercover-investigator/
     
    Remember that when you unpack those goods from that Amazon Box. The last thing that order picker touched before your merchandise was his dick.

    Remember that when you unpack those goods from that Amazon Box. The last thing that order picker touched before your merchandise was his dick.

    Shouldn’t that be “his or her” dick?

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    Shouldn’t that be “his or her” dick?
     
    Yes, of course, you're right. How insensitive of me.
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  31. @GU
    Software can keep a list of tax rates, that is true. But state laws vary widely on the taxability of various goods and services. There are lots of close calls that are not susceptible to an off-the-shelf answer. Some states don’t tax clothing. Is a scarf “clothing”? How about a sweatband? How about clothing for dogs, is that exempt too? The tax statutes—and by extension “automated” tax software—don’t tell you.

    Even if you can figure out how all of your products are taxed among the thousands of taxing jurisdictions in the U.S., syncing up your internal systems to the tax software takes a lot of (expensive) time and effort. Oh, and then you have to monitor changes in the sales tax laws (common) and continually update your analysis accordingly.

    Then, once you register to collect tax, every jurisdiction can thereafter audit your business. Ever dealt with a sales tax audit? Invasive and expensive. How many small businesses are set up to deal with one jurisdiction without drastic interruptions in normal business operations, let alone several concurrent audits?

    And even if you survive the state and local governments, the plaintiffs lawyers can come for their piece of the action, bringing a class action consumer fraud lawsuit for overcollection or a false claims act lawsuit for undercollection. Even if you complied 100% with the law and their theory is bogus, it will cost a bundle to get rid of these lawsuits.

    During an audit or in court, guess how much your “outsourced” software solution counts for? If you guessed “nothing,” you’re correct! You can’t rely on it to avoid paying tax, interest, or penalties out of pocket that you should have collected. Multistate sales tax compliance entails both large direct costs in addition to a big risk exposure for the involuntary tax collector.

    Some states don’t tax clothing. Is a scarf “clothing”? How about a sweatband? How about clothing for dogs, is that exempt too? The tax statutes—and by extension “automated” tax software—don’t tell you.

    Then, once you register to collect tax, every jurisdiction can thereafter audit your business.

    If that is the case, then every small business in the US must have to address these issues.

    However perhaps the real issue is the need for general tax reform. The VAT system in Europe does not seem to have to deal with issues such as whether a cold-weather testicle sock for a dog is taxable in a semitropical state like Hawaii.

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  32. countenance says: • Website

    Why not the WaPo rushing to defend Bezos? Would that be too obvious?

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    Quid pro quo. WaPo will go to bat for NYT owner Carlos "Slim" Salim if the time ever comes.
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  33. TheBoom says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Amazon is creating more jobs than all but a handful of entire states.

    Really, NYT? Isn't Amazon responsible for the loss of many times more jobs in retail than it has created? Doesn't everyone know this?

    People who work in retail tend not to be the worthy people who read the NYT and they, especially, aren’t the billionaires who speak truth to power and, coincidentally, bail out newspapers and help reporters keep well paying jobs.

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  34. RonaldB says:
    @GU
    Note also that the Trump administration filed an amicus brief in the pending South Dakota v. Wayfair case in support of forcing virtually all internet retailers to collect state and local sales tax, no matter how de minimis their operations in the state or locality.

    Because Amazon already collects sales tax in every state that levies one, forcing everyone else to collect will be good for Amazon. Not only will it lead to tax parity, it will put a lot of small and medium competitors out of business, because multistate compliance is very expensive for small companies. Amazon’s size makes compliance a lot cheaper, relatively speaking, because there are large fixed costs involved with sales tax compliance, but variable costs of compliance due to higher sales volume are not high.

    Hardly seems anti-Amazon to me.

    Here’s another perspective.

    One huge benefit of ordering through the internet used to be that you could avoid state taxes. This put local merchants at a disadvantage and centralized commerce in a few huge, interstate operations. This not only loses local jobs and tax revenues, but makes the average customer and supplier more vulnerable to political strong-arming. During the Presidential campaign, Macy’s eliminated the Trump line of clothing, and I closed my Macy’s account, telling them I was closing my account not because of their views, but because of their attempt to damage a candidate financially.

    Anyway, I now buy locally when I can, even if it’s possible to avoid the sales tax. Will I really benefit by saving a few dollars and have the environment in which I live consist of unemployed people and underfunded infrastructure?

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  35. RonaldB says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Amazon is creating more jobs than all but a handful of entire states.

    Really, NYT? Isn't Amazon responsible for the loss of many times more jobs in retail than it has created? Doesn't everyone know this?

    Unfortunately, sometimes the economy of scale ensures that the only way to get an item is through a national internet shipper. For example, I called several local electronics stores to get a keycap puller, and none of them had even heard of it. I finally ordered it through Amazon.

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  36. RonaldB says:
    @GU
    Software can keep a list of tax rates, that is true. But state laws vary widely on the taxability of various goods and services. There are lots of close calls that are not susceptible to an off-the-shelf answer. Some states don’t tax clothing. Is a scarf “clothing”? How about a sweatband? How about clothing for dogs, is that exempt too? The tax statutes—and by extension “automated” tax software—don’t tell you.

    Even if you can figure out how all of your products are taxed among the thousands of taxing jurisdictions in the U.S., syncing up your internal systems to the tax software takes a lot of (expensive) time and effort. Oh, and then you have to monitor changes in the sales tax laws (common) and continually update your analysis accordingly.

    Then, once you register to collect tax, every jurisdiction can thereafter audit your business. Ever dealt with a sales tax audit? Invasive and expensive. How many small businesses are set up to deal with one jurisdiction without drastic interruptions in normal business operations, let alone several concurrent audits?

    And even if you survive the state and local governments, the plaintiffs lawyers can come for their piece of the action, bringing a class action consumer fraud lawsuit for overcollection or a false claims act lawsuit for undercollection. Even if you complied 100% with the law and their theory is bogus, it will cost a bundle to get rid of these lawsuits.

    During an audit or in court, guess how much your “outsourced” software solution counts for? If you guessed “nothing,” you’re correct! You can’t rely on it to avoid paying tax, interest, or penalties out of pocket that you should have collected. Multistate sales tax compliance entails both large direct costs in addition to a big risk exposure for the involuntary tax collector.

    You give a very good account of a government compliance system run amuck. It makes sense that you oppose the imposition of state sales taxes on internet businesses.

    The counter argument is that local business suppliers are put at a disadvantage, not because of the efficiency or convenience of their services, but because they can avoid paying the tax that affects locally-sold products.

    A legal system that attempts to be completely consistent is not only impossible, but as you point out, provides the platform for profiteering attorneys and state bureaucrats to game the system for their own profit at the expense of the real businessman. It’s an example of third-world government.

    On thinking about it, I can offer the suggestion that shipping companies simply refuse to ship to states that refuse to indemnify them against arbitrary and intrusive lawsuits and bureaucratic actions.

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  37. RonaldB says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I thought a few weeks ago Amazon was the subject of progressive hate because employees had to urinate in bottles and didn’t have sick days or something.

    https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/amazon-warehouse-workers-pee-into-bottles-to-avoid-wasting-time-undercover-investigator/
     
    Remember that when you unpack those goods from that Amazon Box. The last thing that order picker touched before your merchandise was his dick.

    Amazon is heavily automated and becoming more so, so the most contamination you might get in the future would be a bit of oil or grease.

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  38. @Travis
    remember when leftists despised the CIA and FBI....today the leftists are the biggest fans of the CIA, NSA and FBI and support secret surveillance of Americans based on unverified opposition research...Remember when leftists did not trust the CIA and changed our laws to outlaw their powers to spy on Americans ?

    Leftists today support the CIA’s spying on American citizens and are not bothered by FBI spies infiltrating a rival campaign, and wiretaps of political opponents, unmasking, and lying to federal judges, they do not want any of this investigated because they know it will tarnish the Obama administration.

    And isn’t it interesting that efficiency and time to market is supposed to be something to advance, UNLESS it involves guns? In Illinois, our so-called Illinois “Gun Lobby” in 1968 gave us an IL State Police Firearms Owners ID card, a 24-hour waiting period on long guns, and 72-hours on hand guns. That means in order for an Illinois citizen to get a firearm, they will have to wait a MONTH to exercise their Second Amendment RIGHTS. And add to that the so-called FBI “Instant Check” to purchase your firearm. Now the gun controllers (Which former Republican Gov. candidate Jeanne Ives is – her campaign site cited a ban on bump stocks and hand cranks as ‘reasonable gun control,’ i.e. surrendered immediately to gun controllers.) want to extend firearms waiting period to 72-hours for ALL long guns. And where is the leftists outrage over the waste and environmental damage of TWO trips to the gun shop when with the “Instant Check” it could be reduced to ONE? Thousands of wasted gallons of gas and people’s time to make Gun Controllers happy! Get rid of the IL FOID card and fire the ISP people that process the forms.

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  39. Brutusale says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Amazon is creating more jobs than all but a handful of entire states.

    Really, NYT? Isn't Amazon responsible for the loss of many times more jobs in retail than it has created? Doesn't everyone know this?

    Never mind the loss of retail jobs. Working for Amazon seems like the life of a cotton chopper in 1845 South Carolina.

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/7-examples-how-amazon-treats-their-90000-warehouse.html

    https://gizmodo.com/reminder-amazon-treats-its-employees-like-shit-1792642652

    Maybe this is all just Millennial whinging, but there’s too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

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  40. @Massimo Heitor
    USPS should price their services like regular companies do. The issue doesn't need to be a public drama.

    Amazon is a jewel that the US should be cherished. And it is. I imagine Trump has some strategy behind insulting Amazon that I don't see. Bezos does have terrible political views that he's public about. WaPo is horrible and deserves the insults.

    The US Pension Service should be dismantled. It’s an obsolete relic, like the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

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  41. @J.Ross
    OT Tommy Robinson update
    A German anon links a court document laying out that Robinson was on suspended sentence for filming Muslims leaving law court premises, and had been sternly warned that if Robinson called any Muslim a pedophile before that person had been found guilty, or if Robinson was found outside a court holding a camera, it was straight to prison; Robinson himself talked about the suspended sentence, walking a fine line, and expecting imminent arrest.
    There is also word that the police are preparing a Gestapo-worthy dawn raid on all known nationalist-leaning activist sites.

    In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon [Robinson's real name], turn up at another court, refer to people as "Muslim paedophiles, Muslim rapists" and so on and so forth while trials are ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury that that is what they are, and you will find yourself inside [prison].
     
    https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/coc-yaxley-lennon-20170522.pdf

    Tommy Robinson seems like a stooge for the Jews in Britain. He goes on and on about the Muslims but he never talks about the role Jews in England have played in pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration.

    Having said that, Tommy Robinson is a brave man who deserves respect for his public challenge to the English ruling class on multiculturalism, Islamization and mass immigration. Tommy Robinson’s work to describe what damage mass immigration has done to his hometown of Luton is very good, too.

    Theresa May Is A Puppet Whore For The Evil English Ruling Class

    FREE TOMMY ROBINSON NOW!

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  42. Jeff Bezos and many of the other billionaires who are pushing mass immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens should be financially liquidated by White Core American Patriots. Trumpy has said that the FAKE NEWS media is the enemy of the American people. Jeff Bezos — owner of Amazon and the FAKE NEWS Washington Post — is an enemy of the American people.

    Jeff Bezos and all the other billionaires who are pushing mass immigration in European Christian nations must be financially liquidated. Billionaire globalizers are using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to attack the European Christian ancestral core of nations such as the United States, Canada, Australia, Germany, France, England, Italy and many more other European Christian nations.

    All it will take it just one speech by a patriot who says that billionaires who push mass immigration must have their assets taken from them and then these billionaire globalizers must be deported to Uganda or the Congo or some other Third World area. Tens of millions of Americans will applaud efforts to stop the evil billionaire globalizers.

    Trumpy Says FAKE NEWS Media Is The Enemy Of The American People:

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  43. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Remember that when you unpack those goods from that Amazon Box. The last thing that order picker touched before your merchandise was his dick.
     
    Shouldn't that be "his or her" dick?

    Shouldn’t that be “his or her” dick?

    Yes, of course, you’re right. How insensitive of me.

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  44. Anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Aardvark
    This is an example of why liberals have no real principles. They will switch positions on almost anything when it is necessary to be a pain in the ass. I think they normally would have complained Bezos wasn’t paying his “fair share”, but since they have to hate Trump more, what Bezos does is irrelevant. Besides, can one newspaper attack the owner of another newspaper? Methinks the unwritten code is no. In that light: Bezos 2, Trump 0.

    To be fair though, conservatives have completely switched their position on whether corporations should be able to do whatever they want now that corporations like Google and Amazon are demonetizing blogs, etc.

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  45. AndrewR says:
    @countenance
    Why not the WaPo rushing to defend Bezos? Would that be too obvious?

    Quid pro quo. WaPo will go to bat for NYT owner Carlos “Slim” Salim if the time ever comes.

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  46. anon. says:

    See, this is where there is still a place for boring old Wm. F. Buckley conservatism. Don’t waste any brain cells taking sides in the Trump vs. Bezos fight – just privatize the post office and let it work itself out.

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  47. @J.Ross
    OT Great White Defendant Hunt Catches Four
    Four white students allegedly drew swastikas on sidewalks. They were not caught in the act and might be completely innocent.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-swastika-high-school-20180524-story,amp.html

    And this is in the Baltimore court system, so these kids are doomed. For my lifetime hate grafitti has not been real, but it has been believed in religiously, with all the faith of any moral panic; now these four lads will be constantly discussed and will have multiple media products defaming them as real-life American History X characters.

    OT Great White Defendant Hunt Catches Four
    Four white students allegedly drew swastikas on sidewalks. They were not caught in the act and might be completely innocent.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-swastika-high-school-20180524-story,amp.html

    And this is in the Baltimore court system, so these kids are doomed. For my lifetime hate grafitti has not been real, but it has been believed in religiously, with all the faith of any moral panic; now these four lads will be constantly discussed and will have multiple media products defaming them as real-life American History X characters.

    Once again, as in the case of the cotton balls dropped on Mizzou’s campus, we have an insane abuse of process by a prosecutor who ignores the law as dictated by the Supreme Court. This is a pure speech crime. It’s unconstitutional even according to those who for practical purposes make that decision.

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