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From the New York Times Opinion Page:

Rudy Giuliani Is Wrong About Chicago’s Bloodshed

More Republicans are needed, Mr. Giuliani says, but simple explanations are rarely the right ones.

By Kim Bellware
Ms. Bellware is a Chicago-based news and culture writer.

One difference between a Chicago freelance writer and a Chicago hitman is that freelance writers are “Chicago-based” while hitmen are “based out of Chicago.”

Aug. 8, 2018

CHICAGO — Sixty-six people were shot in Chicago from early Friday evening to early Monday morning, 12 of them fatally. …

… But they’re familiar to any Chicagoan who has seen the city’s trauma make national headlines: The complexities of the gun-violence affliction get flattened and distorted to fit into the contours of a simplified, politically convenient argument. …

… As the statistical adage goes, correlation does not imply causation. The verdict from mainstream sociologists and criminologists alike is that there is a clear and obvious reason for neither the widespread decades-long decline in violent crime

One major cause is pretty obvious: liberals stopped being in charge of criminal justice.

nor its recent spike in big cities like Chicago.

Actually, as I pointed out in March 2016, the 2016 spike in Chicago (+58% vs. 2015 ) is one of the clearest cases of cause and effect in the social sciences: liberals, such as the ACLU, retook control of the criminal justice system in Chicago in the weeks following the release of video showing a Chicago cop shooting Laquan McDonald in the back.

2014 464 homicides

2015 511

2016 808

2017 682

But we can track what happened in Chicago much more precisely:

This graph is from a 2017 U. of Chicago study.

Still, the specific forces behind the spikes and dips have vexed both independent observers and public servants honest about how unwieldy and multilayered the roots of violence are. A popular but unproven answer is the “Ferguson effect” (or in Chicago, the “Laquan McDonald effect”), which maintains that police officers are being undermined and unfairly maligned by politicians and the public and in response are retreating from proactive policing.

The “let cops be cops” solution — most recently peddled on “Fox & Friends” in light of the bloody weekend — feeds the delusion that police officers themselves can actually control crime, that the causes of and prescriptions for plagues like gun violence are untied to socioeconomic factors.

Because socioeconomic factors in Chicago changed radically between November 2015 and January 2016.

 
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  1. Neoconned says:

    Steve I recall you mentioning how cool it sounds in crime novels to be “Vinny out of New Orleans” or “Ray out of Kansas City ” and it works for some weird reason….as if you’re out of some dysfunctional slum….

    Anyway as I mentioned here before….when I stayed at the HI Hostel in Chicago in July 2016 there was this Jewish guy there who was some tourism official or some such for the xity…

    Long story short….he told us about being buddies with Obama and about the mob museum being run out of town etc

    Then when I asked him about the “60 shit every weekend” news stories I had read be smugly laughed and pulled out this big map of the city and drew a circle around 1 area on the south side and an area on the east side and I’ll never forget his quote “avoid these 2 areas and you’ll be just fine”…..and I was…..

    After seeing tourists and Latinos with young kids out by the fountain at 10pm I was convinced.

    Later somebody on here referred to Chicago as “Seattle with 2 small areas if Detroit attached….”

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    Uh, I suggest you refer to this map, and amend your assessment:

    https://heyjackass.com/2018-deadliest-hoods/
    , @Anon87
    While you won't get shot, you still need to avoid some of the L trains and some of the bums can get verbally violent in the middle of downtown.
    , @Dr. Krieger
    The second area must have been on the West Side. Straight west on Chicago Avenue after Humboldt Park.
    Chicago does not have an East Side. If it did, it would be Lake Michigan. Chicago is a North and South Side City.
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  2. Lot says:

    Any idea why Michael Brown/St Louis was so bad and Tamir Rice does not seem to have provoked riots and disruptive protests in Cleveland?

    12 year old with a toy gun shot dead is a better story than huge violent criminal grabs a cop’s gun walking home from a strong-arm robbery.

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    • Replies: @Arclight
    I agree - the Tamir Rice shooting was actually outrageous and the cop should have never have been given a badge and a gun in the first place. Same thing with the Philando Castile shooting - that cop was too high strung and totally misinterpreted the situation.

    Michael Brown on the other hand gambled that he could beat up a cop and take his weapon away and lost. Not that I had any illusions about the media and our politicians at that point, but it was nauseating to see 'news' anchors do the hands up - don't shoot gesture and President Obama and AG Holder's response was intentionally inflammatory.
    , @flyingtiger
    Brown has probably better PR people working for him.
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  3. “Complexities of the gun violence affliction” = Beckys

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  4. What’s the most realistic solution to Chicago’s violent crime problem?

    1. Install Republicans to run the city’s criminal justice “system”.

    2. Export blacks somewhere to Africa

    3. Require voluntary permanent sterilization to all welfare, LINK, and Medicare, and Section 8 recipients.

    4. Open a storefront Baptist Church in a long abandoned thrift shop on Halsted Ave. in Englewood, and pray.

    5. Blame whitey.

    6. ?????

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    6. might be liberalizing gun laws, and offering free guns and training to anyone over 30 without a criminal record.
    , @anon
    Most of the violence came from the black and Latino south and west side.

    Send all blacks back to Africa(Liberia), all browns back to Mexico.

    Problem solved.

    , @FPD72
    Since almost all Medicare recipients are 65 and older, mandatory sterilization might not be necessary for them, certainly not for the women.

    I’m guessing you meant Medicaid.

    Medicare = age tested program into which must recipients have paid into for their entire working lives. Yes, tax receipts and premiums are less than expenditures and the program is approaching insolvency, but most people don’t view it as welfare.

    Medicaid = means tested welfare program in which recipient premiums don’t begin to cover expenditures. Viewed as a heavily subsidized health insurance program at best, as welfare in most instances.
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  5. midtown says:

    These people simply will never learn, no matter how many times the “socioeconomic” theory is debunked.

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  6. Anon[622] • Disclaimer says:

    “Still, the specific forces behind the spikes and dips have vexed both independent observers and public servants honest about how unwieldy and multilayered the roots of violence are.”

    No, they haven’t. There are very credible explanations that have been offered by independent observers. They don’t comport with NYT obfuscation attempts, so they are ignored or belittled in favor of ignorance: “Who knows? It’s a mystery inside a riddle inside a puzzle inside a Gordian Knot.”

    Chicago: huge black population, endless mainstream media agitation over police shootings of blacks in heavily black cities leading up to the spike in murders, democrat mayor stoking the flames, a black Attorney General who stokes the flames with incendiary race comments and by sending FBI goon squads to Fergussen to conduct a parallel investigation because racist white cops can’t be trusted (including a separate, conspiratorial, autopsy report conducted), endless police beating videos posted by various left wing You Tube channels in 2014-2016, a black president fanning the flames through constant racist dog whistling, while the city of Chicago is supposedly the capital of Obama, the black president…seems obvious.

    Did other large non-black cities experience similar spikes in crime? Not really. Did large cities other than Chicago experience similar murder spikes at about the same time? Yes. Were they predominantly black cities? Yes. And mostly those most affected by BLM protests? Yes. Did Obama publicly slam cops and other white authorities leading up to this? Yes – Trayvon Martin, Professor Gates, Clock Boy…Did Obama make a show of publicly disarming cops? Yes. Did the murder rate decline as soon as these factors stopped being as important/getting media attention? Yes.

    What’s so hard about this issue for some people? It seems obvious that American school shooters have been on a copy cat spree since Columbine due to media attention, so it would seem logical that media attention could do the same here.

    Sailer could always offer a counter narrative to this tripe and submit it to the NYT as an op-ed rebuttal to this – independent observer and all. I wonder what the probability is that the NYT would actually publish it?

    “is one of the clearest cases of cause and effect in the social sciences”

    Corvinius: correlation isn’t causation; this could be magic.

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  7. Arclight says:

    The specific forces aren’t well understood? Let’s try this out: Chicago, and many large urban centers, has a fairly significant share of its population ready and willing to use extreme violence to settle grievances. When those populations know the likelihood is low of there being repercussions from the authorities for acting out their impulses, they tend to feel relatively unconstrained in meting out whatever violence they feel is appropriate.

    The so-called conversation about inner-city violence is always framed in terms of how society must be failing the criminals – never about how we have a massive number of people who are failing to live up to the barest expectations/obligations to society. That would require acknowledging their personal agency, rather than the more comfortable and politically profitable argument that they are pawns of forces beyond their control.

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  8. Arclight says:
    @Lot
    Any idea why Michael Brown/St Louis was so bad and Tamir Rice does not seem to have provoked riots and disruptive protests in Cleveland?

    12 year old with a toy gun shot dead is a better story than huge violent criminal grabs a cop's gun walking home from a strong-arm robbery.

    I agree – the Tamir Rice shooting was actually outrageous and the cop should have never have been given a badge and a gun in the first place. Same thing with the Philando Castile shooting – that cop was too high strung and totally misinterpreted the situation.

    Michael Brown on the other hand gambled that he could beat up a cop and take his weapon away and lost. Not that I had any illusions about the media and our politicians at that point, but it was nauseating to see ‘news’ anchors do the hands up – don’t shoot gesture and President Obama and AG Holder’s response was intentionally inflammatory.

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  9. @Neoconned
    Steve I recall you mentioning how cool it sounds in crime novels to be "Vinny out of New Orleans" or "Ray out of Kansas City " and it works for some weird reason....as if you're out of some dysfunctional slum....

    Anyway as I mentioned here before....when I stayed at the HI Hostel in Chicago in July 2016 there was this Jewish guy there who was some tourism official or some such for the xity...

    Long story short....he told us about being buddies with Obama and about the mob museum being run out of town etc

    Then when I asked him about the "60 shit every weekend" news stories I had read be smugly laughed and pulled out this big map of the city and drew a circle around 1 area on the south side and an area on the east side and I'll never forget his quote "avoid these 2 areas and you'll be just fine".....and I was.....

    After seeing tourists and Latinos with young kids out by the fountain at 10pm I was convinced.

    Later somebody on here referred to Chicago as "Seattle with 2 small areas if Detroit attached...."

    Uh, I suggest you refer to this map, and amend your assessment:

    https://heyjackass.com/2018-deadliest-hoods/

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    Austin is the 'hood Steve keeps talking about, right?

    "Just 8 miles west of the Loop, Austin was a suburban gem when it was annexed to the city of Chicago in 1899."

    Lawd, de times, they do change, dont they?

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  10. Anon87 says:
    @Neoconned
    Steve I recall you mentioning how cool it sounds in crime novels to be "Vinny out of New Orleans" or "Ray out of Kansas City " and it works for some weird reason....as if you're out of some dysfunctional slum....

    Anyway as I mentioned here before....when I stayed at the HI Hostel in Chicago in July 2016 there was this Jewish guy there who was some tourism official or some such for the xity...

    Long story short....he told us about being buddies with Obama and about the mob museum being run out of town etc

    Then when I asked him about the "60 shit every weekend" news stories I had read be smugly laughed and pulled out this big map of the city and drew a circle around 1 area on the south side and an area on the east side and I'll never forget his quote "avoid these 2 areas and you'll be just fine".....and I was.....

    After seeing tourists and Latinos with young kids out by the fountain at 10pm I was convinced.

    Later somebody on here referred to Chicago as "Seattle with 2 small areas if Detroit attached...."

    While you won’t get shot, you still need to avoid some of the L trains and some of the bums can get verbally violent in the middle of downtown.

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  11. A popular but unproven answer is the “Ferguson effect”

    The MSM has no problem promoting unproven theories that fit the narrative; it’s only when persuasive theories are advanced that don’t fit the narrative that they are described as unproven. And what, beyond simple logic, would make them “proven”?

    It’s similar to the way the MSM describes the facts presented by Charles Murray in “The Bell curve” as “widely debunked.”

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    • Replies: @Russ
    8It's how a hack such as Kim Bellware rates a slot on the NYT op-ed page. What qualifications has she? She couldn't take the first step toward either proof or refutation of the Ferguson effect, let alone pass the judgment of "unproven." Reminds one of how when the going gets tough for Dem presidents such as Carter and Obama, the obeisant media begins chirping about "new [crappy] normals" and how the presidency is too much for one man.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It’s similar to the way the MSM describes the facts presented by Charles Murray in “The Bell curve” as “widely debunked.”

     

    Or Andrea Mitchell's claim that Juanita Broaddrick's charges have been "discredited".

    TV needs footnotes.
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  12. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    A popular but unproven answer is the “Ferguson effect”

    Did Steve coin this phrase?

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    A popular but unproven answer is the “Ferguson effect”

     

    Did Steve coin this phrase?

     

    Not to be confused with the other Ferguson effects:


    You seem to be a person who has conducted himself in exemplary fashion in the community and in the country, building up an account. This is the time to draw on that account.

    --the judge discharging drug-smuggling charges against Ferguson Jenkins

    "As long as it's hot and wet and goes down the right way, that's all that matters."

    --the Duchess of York, née Sarah Ferguson

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  13. Russ says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    A popular but unproven answer is the “Ferguson effect”

    The MSM has no problem promoting unproven theories that fit the narrative; it's only when persuasive theories are advanced that don't fit the narrative that they are described as unproven. And what, beyond simple logic, would make them "proven"?

    It's similar to the way the MSM describes the facts presented by Charles Murray in "The Bell curve" as "widely debunked."

    8It’s how a hack such as Kim Bellware rates a slot on the NYT op-ed page. What qualifications has she? She couldn’t take the first step toward either proof or refutation of the Ferguson effect, let alone pass the judgment of “unproven.” Reminds one of how when the going gets tough for Dem presidents such as Carter and Obama, the obeisant media begins chirping about “new [crappy] normals” and how the presidency is too much for one man.

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    How? This being Kim Bellware:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/thepapermachete/6327895728

    When did the Tiger Kitties become a thing?
    , @Art Deco
    It appears she was born in 1982, grew up in Kalamazoo, Michigan, and came from a family affluent enough to send her to an oddball private school for a number of years. Her personal site offers a brief precis of where she's published, but says nothing of her education and training. She was ca. 2006 associated with the Post-Tribune, the daily paper in Lake County, Indiana and points adjacent - either on staff or an occasional contributor. She appears to have been a student at Valparaiso University or perhaps on the staff there, contributing to the Post-Tribune as a sort of correspondent. Valparaiso is associated with the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod and one of a modest set of protestant schools which retain a residue of Christian commitment. I'm guessing if she was enrolled there she didn't graduate (or finds it advantageous in her current employments to not admit she ever had any association with such a place). It's a reasonable wager she's Ta-Nehisi Coates: her skill set consists of turning in usable copy on time.
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  14. notanon says:

    feeds the delusion that police officers themselves can actually control crime

    criminals are more likely to leave weapons at home if they think they’re going to be stopped and frisked.

    although on the other hand the unintended consequence of cops keeping a partial lid on violence in gang ruled areas in the past is it helped to prevent any serious attempt to fix the problem.

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  15. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    What's the most realistic solution to Chicago's violent crime problem?

    1. Install Republicans to run the city's criminal justice "system".

    2. Export blacks somewhere to Africa

    3. Require voluntary permanent sterilization to all welfare, LINK, and Medicare, and Section 8 recipients.

    4. Open a storefront Baptist Church in a long abandoned thrift shop on Halsted Ave. in Englewood, and pray.

    5. Blame whitey.

    6. ?????

    6. might be liberalizing gun laws, and offering free guns and training to anyone over 30 without a criminal record.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Might be good in Europe, but in Chicago at least it is the same people at a very high risk of both murdering and being murdered.
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  16. W says:

    This was one of the worst NYT pieces I’ve ever read. It basically conceded all evidence I favor of Rudy and then blamed conspiratorial “institutional” and “socioeconomic” factors

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  17. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    I like the Ferguson Effect.

    Send all the cops to donut shops.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Send all the cops to donut shops.
     
    All the cops in the donut shop say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian


    Broken windows seemed to work, but broken plumbing might be just as effective. Send them after the Larry Sinclairs and Larry Craigs. Giuliani's name spells out "I I.D. urinal guy." So let him.
    , @flyingtiger
    Which donut shop do you own?
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  18. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    What's the most realistic solution to Chicago's violent crime problem?

    1. Install Republicans to run the city's criminal justice "system".

    2. Export blacks somewhere to Africa

    3. Require voluntary permanent sterilization to all welfare, LINK, and Medicare, and Section 8 recipients.

    4. Open a storefront Baptist Church in a long abandoned thrift shop on Halsted Ave. in Englewood, and pray.

    5. Blame whitey.

    6. ?????

    Most of the violence came from the black and Latino south and west side.

    Send all blacks back to Africa(Liberia), all browns back to Mexico.

    Problem solved.

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    Send all blacks back to Africa(Liberia), all browns back to Mexico.
     
    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.
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  19. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    From the article:

    But the activist and community groups already on the ground like The Black Youth Project 100 and Assatta’s Daughters have long been arguing for a more holistic plan of action that unifies increased resources with organized mentorship of the most at-risk young people and more investment in educational programming, along with more democratic police accountability.

    A more “holistic” plan, get it? The same “holistic” plan that they’ve put in place for decades to improve school performance in inner city neighborhoods. Instead of spending the money on police and better policing, these people want the money to go to a bunch of worthless brainless libtards who will basically do nothing except maybe visit a few families. In the end nothing changes, and they’ll just blame it all on poverty, which of course was caused by racism.

    Ten bucks says the “Black Youth Project 100″ and “Assatta’s Daughters” are both schemes concocted and run by the tribe, as a way to suck in more tax dollars. Blacks and browns have not the wherewithal to start any such initiatives.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Assatta's Daughters is named after a terrorist who murdered a police officer and fled to Cuba.

    Trump during the campaign especially was constantly asked to disavow militant far right groups, but terrorist murderers have always been welcome in the Democratic fold.
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  20. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    Uh, I suggest you refer to this map, and amend your assessment:

    https://heyjackass.com/2018-deadliest-hoods/

    Austin is the ‘hood Steve keeps talking about, right?

    “Just 8 miles west of the Loop, Austin was a suburban gem when it was annexed to the city of Chicago in 1899.”

    Lawd, de times, they do change, dont they?

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    A bit OT,but the Wal-Mart in Austin ( Theres a fun place to work!),has been shut down after reports of mouse droppings throughout the store. Wal-Mart SAYS they're mouse droppings,but the city says they're rat droppings. Oh my!
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  21. Lot says:
    @anon
    From the article:

    But the activist and community groups already on the ground like The Black Youth Project 100 and Assatta’s Daughters have long been arguing for a more holistic plan of action that unifies increased resources with organized mentorship of the most at-risk young people and more investment in educational programming, along with more democratic police accountability.
     
    A more "holistic" plan, get it? The same "holistic" plan that they've put in place for decades to improve school performance in inner city neighborhoods. Instead of spending the money on police and better policing, these people want the money to go to a bunch of worthless brainless libtards who will basically do nothing except maybe visit a few families. In the end nothing changes, and they'll just blame it all on poverty, which of course was caused by racism.

    Ten bucks says the "Black Youth Project 100" and "Assatta's Daughters" are both schemes concocted and run by the tribe, as a way to suck in more tax dollars. Blacks and browns have not the wherewithal to start any such initiatives.

    Assatta’s Daughters is named after a terrorist who murdered a police officer and fled to Cuba.

    Trump during the campaign especially was constantly asked to disavow militant far right groups, but terrorist murderers have always been welcome in the Democratic fold.

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  22. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    6. might be liberalizing gun laws, and offering free guns and training to anyone over 30 without a criminal record.

    Might be good in Europe, but in Chicago at least it is the same people at a very high risk of both murdering and being murdered.

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  23. @anon
    Most of the violence came from the black and Latino south and west side.

    Send all blacks back to Africa(Liberia), all browns back to Mexico.

    Problem solved.

    Send all blacks back to Africa(Liberia), all browns back to Mexico.

    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.

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    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.
     
    And Asians to... Canada?
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  24. This graph is from a 2017 U. of Chicago study.

    What was their methodology? Opening the window and counting the shots?

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    • Replies: @JimB
    Just an observation. The worst neighborhoods bracket I-90 (Kennedy Expressway) and I-55, probably for easy-off, easy-on drug dealing and prostitution, the primary economic supports of the Chicago South side ghetto economy.
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  25. Twinkie says:

    From the New York Times Opinion Page

    Maybe it’s because I saw “The Onion” on another thread, but I read the above as “From the New York Times Onion Page.”

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  26. Twinkie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Send all blacks back to Africa(Liberia), all browns back to Mexico.
     
    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.

    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.

    And Asians to… Canada?

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    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.

    And Asians to… Canada?
     

    Let's keep the Asian men right here for their brains. Asian men cause us no Social Justice problems. Problem for us with Asian men is they make a lousy patriarchy and so their women get out of line. The weakest women on the planet, the most annoying at every turn. And so I propose sending all the U.S. "educated" Sarah Jeongs to a couple of right and proper and violent and decidedly non-White Patriarchies, Saudi Arabia and Somalia. This, so they might get a shot at experiencing the real Patriarchy. Arabs and Somalis could sample some of that narrow yellow ass and at the same time, they could teach them some manners and their true place in the world outside of the protection of White men.

    Contrary to their college-bred ignorance, it would teach Asian women of the Feminist SJW variety first hand the normal conditions of life for women at the hands of Black men in those countries. Suddenly, they would be truly and meaningfully "Woke" to the truth that he White man wasn't really so awful after all. All White men have done is defend and (from the looks of the skinny White shrubs that defend them on Tucker) kiss their little pan-faced Yellow asses for a hundred years. The prizes get bigger and bigger for coming here and they get nastier and nastier as they rake it in with both sets of amber claws and talons.*

    Asian women throughout the world, being the most racist species in all of humanity, watching from afar, could get a sense of the true order of things with the Saudi/Somali experiment. But I suppose they STILL wouldn't STFU.

    *Yeah, I'm a bigot, but not so much I can't sleep nights. Mostly, I'm aping the open racism and sexism of "Sarah" Jeong and her ilk, which is most Asian Feminists. Still, Sarah Jeong makes a bigot like me stand up and say, "Hey, Jeong, ya bitch, that's really fuckin' racist!". It starts being racist when it starts being you, I guess.

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  27. @Anon
    I like the Ferguson Effect.

    Send all the cops to donut shops.

    Send all the cops to donut shops.

    All the cops in the donut shop say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian

    Broken windows seemed to work, but broken plumbing might be just as effective. Send them after the Larry Sinclairs and Larry Craigs. Giuliani’s name spells out “I I.D. urinal guy.” So let him.

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    Speaking of donuts and Chicago, NHL great Stan Mikita passed away.

    https://www.bardown.com/the-stan-mikita-dounts-cafe-from-wayne-s-world-is-opening-up-in-real-life-1.658541

    , @Gunnar von Cowtown
    This is a perfect example of why I rarely comment here.

    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
     
    No matter how topical, random or obscure the thought... someone always beats me to it.

    Shine on you crazy diamonds.
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  28. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘No simple solutions’ – what a load of bull!

    The ‘simple’ solution of the Chicago city authorities of relocating their black population to somewhere far and distant would have instantaneous and decisive results.

    But, of course it will not happen.

    Instead we are treated to the daily (Daley?) sight of the EU/Economist deliberately importing huge numbers of black Africans in order that faggy/Economist politicoes can wet their panties over the ‘new blood’ being infused into old Europe.

    Whitey is well and truly f*cked, if not cucked.

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    I'm sure Mayor Rahm has heard all about the advantages of "population transfers" from his dad, the rightwing Israeli terrorist.

    As far as I can tell, Rahm was probably the guy in the Daley Administration almost 30 years ago who pushed for tearing down Cabrini Green.

    , @Anonymous
    'Europe needs new blood'

    (Josep Borrel 2018).

    'We (New Labour) wanted to rub Britain's nose in diversity'.

    (Andrew Neather 2009).

    The odd, unguarded quotes from the left/Economist which 'blow the gaffe', as it were.
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  29. JimB says:

    I wouldn’t want to run into Steve in dark alley, wielding Occam’s Razor.

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    Unfortunately, I'm usually just packing Occam's Butterknife.
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  30. JimB says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    This graph is from a 2017 U. of Chicago study.
     
    What was their methodology? Opening the window and counting the shots?

    https://chicagocrime.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/vc.png

    Just an observation. The worst neighborhoods bracket I-90 (Kennedy Expressway) and I-55, probably for easy-off, easy-on drug dealing and prostitution, the primary economic supports of the Chicago South side ghetto economy.

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  31. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t think this can be fixed by any change in department policy or federal policy. One big “hidden” change is the way that the left is now going directly after individuals, sort of an enhancement to Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Policemen can escape discipline from their departments and the feds, albeit after a stressful investigation, but they now can look forward to doxxing and civil lawsuits financed by nonprofits and crowdfunding, as well as lifetime unemployment because any future employer is also targeted, as well as any restaurants that serve other employees of any future employer, and so on. It’s evolving into a scorched-earth politics of personal destruction, to the six degrees of Kevin Bacon. So cops can be told to make more stops, but they will ignore it.

    Somewhat related is the Portland mayor cum police commissioner’s prohibition of police protection for the ICE office in Portland and any business around there that catered to them:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/anarchy-breaks-out-in-portland-with-the-mayors-blessing-1533331454

    If the paywall kicks in, a summary here:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/08/the-left-wants-war-give-it-to-them/

    This is truely scary and outrageous, and you don’t have to be a nutty prepper/survivalist to read this stuff and think, yeah, maybe I should get a permit and buy a few guns and learn how to use them, if the police are not even going to respond to calls.

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  32. Chicago could have been so much nicer had Harriet Tubman not moved the obsolete farm equipment/animals from the Old South to the new Industrial-strength stockyards and factories up North. Like cattle, she drove them. She didn’t do it for free, the goodness of her heart didn’t keep the herds fed and watered as they were shipped from the fields.

    Anyone know how much she was paid? She must have received a per-head fee for moving Blacks to where their labor could be exploited up North after they were replaced by machines in the South. We have the SJW narrative, but it costs to herd farm animals North.

    Their labor no longer needed today, where are they to be herded now?

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    Much more Ida B. Wells than Harriet Tubman, and much more Robert Abbott, founder of the Chicago Defender, than either of them.
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  33. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    Rudy has identified the exception that proves the rule: Democrat misrule has indeed had a material adverse effect on the Chicago murder situation in recent years, relative to the outcome that would have obtained had a a more law-and-order administration been in power in the city through the period.

    But really, that’s missing the forest for the trees: the pre- Ferguson / Laquan murder rate of 500 per year was already loony-toons high for a city of Chicago’s size. And it wasn’t the letter next to the mayor’s name which caused that murder rate, or similar elevated murder rates in other cities like Chicago, even though polite right-wingers like Rudy would with it was so.

    No, it wis the collective contents of the characters of a vast number of Chicago inhabitants which cause such a high baseline murder rate to begin with. Which, much to the late Dr. King’s chagrin, really does seem to correlate strongly with the color of people’s skin.

    I wrote about this years ago:

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/the-rabid-right-is-too-polite/

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  34. Rosie says:

    More Republicans are needed, Mr. Giuliani says, but simple explanations are rarely the right ones.

    The more convoluted the better!

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  35. @Twinkie

    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.
     
    And Asians to... Canada?

    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.

    And Asians to… Canada?

    Let’s keep the Asian men right here for their brains. Asian men cause us no Social Justice problems. Problem for us with Asian men is they make a lousy patriarchy and so their women get out of line. The weakest women on the planet, the most annoying at every turn. And so I propose sending all the U.S. “educated” Sarah Jeongs to a couple of right and proper and violent and decidedly non-White Patriarchies, Saudi Arabia and Somalia. This, so they might get a shot at experiencing the real Patriarchy. Arabs and Somalis could sample some of that narrow yellow ass and at the same time, they could teach them some manners and their true place in the world outside of the protection of White men.

    Contrary to their college-bred ignorance, it would teach Asian women of the Feminist SJW variety first hand the normal conditions of life for women at the hands of Black men in those countries. Suddenly, they would be truly and meaningfully “Woke” to the truth that he White man wasn’t really so awful after all. All White men have done is defend and (from the looks of the skinny White shrubs that defend them on Tucker) kiss their little pan-faced Yellow asses for a hundred years. The prizes get bigger and bigger for coming here and they get nastier and nastier as they rake it in with both sets of amber claws and talons.*

    Asian women throughout the world, being the most racist species in all of humanity, watching from afar, could get a sense of the true order of things with the Saudi/Somali experiment. But I suppose they STILL wouldn’t STFU.

    *Yeah, I’m a bigot, but not so much I can’t sleep nights. Mostly, I’m aping the open racism and sexism of “Sarah” Jeong and her ilk, which is most Asian Feminists. Still, Sarah Jeong makes a bigot like me stand up and say, “Hey, Jeong, ya bitch, that’s really fuckin’ racist!”. It starts being racist when it starts being you, I guess.

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    Problem for us with Asian men is they make a lousy patriarchy and so their women get out of line.
     
    Hey now, I run MY ship. Besides, I don’t think Sarah Jeong types are with Asian men.
    , @Anon

    Let’s keep the Asian men right here for their brains. Asian men cause us no Social Justice problems.
     
    Most Asian men support mass immigration.

    And the subcon males (Hindus and Pakistanis) harbor jealousies and hatred toward White men. They tend to be anti-White.
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  36. @JimB
    I wouldn't want to run into Steve in dark alley, wielding Occam's Razor.

    Unfortunately, I’m usually just packing Occam’s Butterknife.

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    If it’s cold enough, even a butterknife can be deadly.
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  37. @Anonymous
    'No simple solutions' - what a load of bull!

    The 'simple' solution of the Chicago city authorities of relocating their black population to somewhere far and distant would have instantaneous and decisive results.

    But, of course it will not happen.

    Instead we are treated to the daily (Daley?) sight of the EU/Economist deliberately importing huge numbers of black Africans in order that faggy/Economist politicoes can wet their panties over the 'new blood' being infused into old Europe.

    Whitey is well and truly f*cked, if not cucked.

    I’m sure Mayor Rahm has heard all about the advantages of “population transfers” from his dad, the rightwing Israeli terrorist.

    As far as I can tell, Rahm was probably the guy in the Daley Administration almost 30 years ago who pushed for tearing down Cabrini Green.

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    One of the other reasons the number of shootings went up in Chicago is that the projects, and not just Cabrini Green, were torn down. The gangs that controlled the projects were not the same gangs who controlled the neighborhoods. When the projects were torn down, the gangs who controlled them were forced to go out onto the neighborhoods (and to some extent out to cities in Downstate Illinois through vouchers). Once in the neighborhoods, the project gangs saw how much money the neighborhood gangs were making dealing drugs and wanted some of the action. The neighborhood gangs did not want the competition and started fighting back. This, along with a hamstrung police force, pretty much caused what is happening now. Another commentor put a map up on his post showing where the violent crime was happening. If people realized how small an area most of the shooting was taking place in it would give more perspective on how this is a battle for control of certain neighborhoods, not just a bunch of guys randomly shooting.
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  38. What the hell is a ‘news and culture writer’?

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    A writer.

    It's okay not to have any qualifications, but it helps to write better op-eds than this.

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  39. @Carbon blob
    What the hell is a 'news and culture writer'?

    A writer.

    It’s okay not to have any qualifications, but it helps to write better op-eds than this.

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  40. @Anonymous
    Austin is the 'hood Steve keeps talking about, right?

    "Just 8 miles west of the Loop, Austin was a suburban gem when it was annexed to the city of Chicago in 1899."

    Lawd, de times, they do change, dont they?

    A bit OT,but the Wal-Mart in Austin ( Theres a fun place to work!),has been shut down after reports of mouse droppings throughout the store. Wal-Mart SAYS they’re mouse droppings,but the city says they’re rat droppings. Oh my!

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  41. Ragno says:

    Congratulations, Steve.

    For Leviathan even to mention the “Ferguson effect” (and with modifiers like “popular but unproven” rather than drawing on the usual devil horns) is the current-year equivalent of Begrudging Acknowledgment. The only thing missing is a hyperlink leading here.

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  42. Thirdtwin says:

    “about how unwieldy and multilayered the roots of violence…”

    Hey, young journo….Why don’t you stick with the “roots” metaphor and just say they’re “tangled”? You kids don’t know how lucky you are to be in an industry which is English-centric and immigrant-proof. Write like you belong there.

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  43. @Steve Sailer
    I'm sure Mayor Rahm has heard all about the advantages of "population transfers" from his dad, the rightwing Israeli terrorist.

    As far as I can tell, Rahm was probably the guy in the Daley Administration almost 30 years ago who pushed for tearing down Cabrini Green.

    One of the other reasons the number of shootings went up in Chicago is that the projects, and not just Cabrini Green, were torn down. The gangs that controlled the projects were not the same gangs who controlled the neighborhoods. When the projects were torn down, the gangs who controlled them were forced to go out onto the neighborhoods (and to some extent out to cities in Downstate Illinois through vouchers). Once in the neighborhoods, the project gangs saw how much money the neighborhood gangs were making dealing drugs and wanted some of the action. The neighborhood gangs did not want the competition and started fighting back. This, along with a hamstrung police force, pretty much caused what is happening now. Another commentor put a map up on his post showing where the violent crime was happening. If people realized how small an area most of the shooting was taking place in it would give more perspective on how this is a battle for control of certain neighborhoods, not just a bunch of guys randomly shooting.

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    Cabrini-Green was demolished in stages over a 16 year period, with the final demolitions occurring in 2011. The abrupt increase in the homicide rate began in 2015.
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  44. @Neoconned
    Steve I recall you mentioning how cool it sounds in crime novels to be "Vinny out of New Orleans" or "Ray out of Kansas City " and it works for some weird reason....as if you're out of some dysfunctional slum....

    Anyway as I mentioned here before....when I stayed at the HI Hostel in Chicago in July 2016 there was this Jewish guy there who was some tourism official or some such for the xity...

    Long story short....he told us about being buddies with Obama and about the mob museum being run out of town etc

    Then when I asked him about the "60 shit every weekend" news stories I had read be smugly laughed and pulled out this big map of the city and drew a circle around 1 area on the south side and an area on the east side and I'll never forget his quote "avoid these 2 areas and you'll be just fine".....and I was.....

    After seeing tourists and Latinos with young kids out by the fountain at 10pm I was convinced.

    Later somebody on here referred to Chicago as "Seattle with 2 small areas if Detroit attached...."

    The second area must have been on the West Side. Straight west on Chicago Avenue after Humboldt Park.
    Chicago does not have an East Side. If it did, it would be Lake Michigan. Chicago is a North and South Side City.

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    You are correct.....west side....i apologize for that and the grammar errors....i type from a shitty smartphone as I don't have a laptop any more....
    , @MBlanc46
    There is an East Side. It’s far south.
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  45. So what’s the explanation for the 15.6 % drop from 2016 to 2017?

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  46. @Steve Sailer
    Unfortunately, I'm usually just packing Occam's Butterknife.

    If it’s cold enough, even a butterknife can be deadly.

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  47. Anonymous[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    'No simple solutions' - what a load of bull!

    The 'simple' solution of the Chicago city authorities of relocating their black population to somewhere far and distant would have instantaneous and decisive results.

    But, of course it will not happen.

    Instead we are treated to the daily (Daley?) sight of the EU/Economist deliberately importing huge numbers of black Africans in order that faggy/Economist politicoes can wet their panties over the 'new blood' being infused into old Europe.

    Whitey is well and truly f*cked, if not cucked.

    ‘Europe needs new blood’

    (Josep Borrel 2018).

    ‘We (New Labour) wanted to rub Britain’s nose in diversity’.

    (Andrew Neather 2009).

    The odd, unguarded quotes from the left/Economist which ‘blow the gaffe’, as it were.

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  48. Rudy G is right. We need more Republicans, but the senile old men who own our news media will not allow it. They like the senile old men who run our city and loot it dry.

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  49. @Lot
    Any idea why Michael Brown/St Louis was so bad and Tamir Rice does not seem to have provoked riots and disruptive protests in Cleveland?

    12 year old with a toy gun shot dead is a better story than huge violent criminal grabs a cop's gun walking home from a strong-arm robbery.

    Brown has probably better PR people working for him.

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  50. @Anon
    I like the Ferguson Effect.

    Send all the cops to donut shops.

    Which donut shop do you own?

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  51. Brutusale says:
    @Russ
    8It's how a hack such as Kim Bellware rates a slot on the NYT op-ed page. What qualifications has she? She couldn't take the first step toward either proof or refutation of the Ferguson effect, let alone pass the judgment of "unproven." Reminds one of how when the going gets tough for Dem presidents such as Carter and Obama, the obeisant media begins chirping about "new [crappy] normals" and how the presidency is too much for one man.

    How? This being Kim Bellware:

    Kim Bellware

    When did the Tiger Kitties become a thing?

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  52. Brutusale says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Send all the cops to donut shops.
     
    All the cops in the donut shop say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian


    Broken windows seemed to work, but broken plumbing might be just as effective. Send them after the Larry Sinclairs and Larry Craigs. Giuliani's name spells out "I I.D. urinal guy." So let him.
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    Speaking of donuts and Chicago, NHL great Stan Mikita passed away.

     

    Mikita's birthplace in Slovakia is apparently underwater now. Kind of like Neversink, N.Y., which is also now under a reservoir.

    Mikita's first team was the Teepees. Can't get away with that now!
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  53. @Reg Cæsar

    Send all the cops to donut shops.
     
    All the cops in the donut shop say
    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
    Walk like an Egyptian


    Broken windows seemed to work, but broken plumbing might be just as effective. Send them after the Larry Sinclairs and Larry Craigs. Giuliani's name spells out "I I.D. urinal guy." So let him.

    This is a perfect example of why I rarely comment here.

    Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh

    No matter how topical, random or obscure the thought… someone always beats me to it.

    Shine on you crazy diamonds.

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  54. FPD72 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    What's the most realistic solution to Chicago's violent crime problem?

    1. Install Republicans to run the city's criminal justice "system".

    2. Export blacks somewhere to Africa

    3. Require voluntary permanent sterilization to all welfare, LINK, and Medicare, and Section 8 recipients.

    4. Open a storefront Baptist Church in a long abandoned thrift shop on Halsted Ave. in Englewood, and pray.

    5. Blame whitey.

    6. ?????

    Since almost all Medicare recipients are 65 and older, mandatory sterilization might not be necessary for them, certainly not for the women.

    I’m guessing you meant Medicaid.

    Medicare = age tested program into which must recipients have paid into for their entire working lives. Yes, tax receipts and premiums are less than expenditures and the program is approaching insolvency, but most people don’t view it as welfare.

    Medicaid = means tested welfare program in which recipient premiums don’t begin to cover expenditures. Viewed as a heavily subsidized health insurance program at best, as welfare in most instances.

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  55. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ragno
    Congratulations, Steve.

    For Leviathan even to mention the "Ferguson effect" (and with modifiers like "popular but unproven" rather than drawing on the usual devil horns) is the current-year equivalent of Begrudging Acknowledgment. The only thing missing is a hyperlink leading here.

    Do you know if Steve coined “The Ferguson Effect”?

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    Probably not.

    I would have called it the BLM Effect.

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  56. @Anon
    Do you know if Steve coined "The Ferguson Effect"?

    Probably not.

    I would have called it the BLM Effect.

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  57. @FPD72
    Since almost all Medicare recipients are 65 and older, mandatory sterilization might not be necessary for them, certainly not for the women.

    I’m guessing you meant Medicaid.

    Medicare = age tested program into which must recipients have paid into for their entire working lives. Yes, tax receipts and premiums are less than expenditures and the program is approaching insolvency, but most people don’t view it as welfare.

    Medicaid = means tested welfare program in which recipient premiums don’t begin to cover expenditures. Viewed as a heavily subsidized health insurance program at best, as welfare in most instances.

    Yes, I meant medicaid. Thanks for the correction.

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  58. Art Deco says:
    @Mike Zwick
    One of the other reasons the number of shootings went up in Chicago is that the projects, and not just Cabrini Green, were torn down. The gangs that controlled the projects were not the same gangs who controlled the neighborhoods. When the projects were torn down, the gangs who controlled them were forced to go out onto the neighborhoods (and to some extent out to cities in Downstate Illinois through vouchers). Once in the neighborhoods, the project gangs saw how much money the neighborhood gangs were making dealing drugs and wanted some of the action. The neighborhood gangs did not want the competition and started fighting back. This, along with a hamstrung police force, pretty much caused what is happening now. Another commentor put a map up on his post showing where the violent crime was happening. If people realized how small an area most of the shooting was taking place in it would give more perspective on how this is a battle for control of certain neighborhoods, not just a bunch of guys randomly shooting.

    Cabrini-Green was demolished in stages over a 16 year period, with the final demolitions occurring in 2011. The abrupt increase in the homicide rate began in 2015.

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  59. Art Deco says:
    @Russ
    8It's how a hack such as Kim Bellware rates a slot on the NYT op-ed page. What qualifications has she? She couldn't take the first step toward either proof or refutation of the Ferguson effect, let alone pass the judgment of "unproven." Reminds one of how when the going gets tough for Dem presidents such as Carter and Obama, the obeisant media begins chirping about "new [crappy] normals" and how the presidency is too much for one man.

    It appears she was born in 1982, grew up in Kalamazoo, Michigan, and came from a family affluent enough to send her to an oddball private school for a number of years. Her personal site offers a brief precis of where she’s published, but says nothing of her education and training. She was ca. 2006 associated with the Post-Tribune, the daily paper in Lake County, Indiana and points adjacent – either on staff or an occasional contributor. She appears to have been a student at Valparaiso University or perhaps on the staff there, contributing to the Post-Tribune as a sort of correspondent. Valparaiso is associated with the Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod and one of a modest set of protestant schools which retain a residue of Christian commitment. I’m guessing if she was enrolled there she didn’t graduate (or finds it advantageous in her current employments to not admit she ever had any association with such a place). It’s a reasonable wager she’s Ta-Nehisi Coates: her skill set consists of turning in usable copy on time.

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  60. @Brutusale
    Speaking of donuts and Chicago, NHL great Stan Mikita passed away.

    https://www.bardown.com/the-stan-mikita-dounts-cafe-from-wayne-s-world-is-opening-up-in-real-life-1.658541

    Speaking of donuts and Chicago, NHL great Stan Mikita passed away.

    Mikita’s birthplace in Slovakia is apparently underwater now. Kind of like Neversink, N.Y., which is also now under a reservoir.

    Mikita’s first team was the Teepees. Can’t get away with that now!

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  61. @Harry Baldwin
    A popular but unproven answer is the “Ferguson effect”

    The MSM has no problem promoting unproven theories that fit the narrative; it's only when persuasive theories are advanced that don't fit the narrative that they are described as unproven. And what, beyond simple logic, would make them "proven"?

    It's similar to the way the MSM describes the facts presented by Charles Murray in "The Bell curve" as "widely debunked."

    It’s similar to the way the MSM describes the facts presented by Charles Murray in “The Bell curve” as “widely debunked.”

    Or Andrea Mitchell’s claim that Juanita Broaddrick’s charges have been “discredited”.

    TV needs footnotes.

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  62. @Anon

    A popular but unproven answer is the “Ferguson effect”
     
    Did Steve coin this phrase?

    A popular but unproven answer is the “Ferguson effect”

    Did Steve coin this phrase?

    Not to be confused with the other Ferguson effects:

    You seem to be a person who has conducted himself in exemplary fashion in the community and in the country, building up an account. This is the time to draw on that account.

    –the judge discharging drug-smuggling charges against Ferguson Jenkins

    “As long as it’s hot and wet and goes down the right way, that’s all that matters.”

    –the Duchess of York, née Sarah Ferguson

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  63. Twinkie says:
    @Jim Christian
    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.

    And Asians to… Canada?
     

    Let's keep the Asian men right here for their brains. Asian men cause us no Social Justice problems. Problem for us with Asian men is they make a lousy patriarchy and so their women get out of line. The weakest women on the planet, the most annoying at every turn. And so I propose sending all the U.S. "educated" Sarah Jeongs to a couple of right and proper and violent and decidedly non-White Patriarchies, Saudi Arabia and Somalia. This, so they might get a shot at experiencing the real Patriarchy. Arabs and Somalis could sample some of that narrow yellow ass and at the same time, they could teach them some manners and their true place in the world outside of the protection of White men.

    Contrary to their college-bred ignorance, it would teach Asian women of the Feminist SJW variety first hand the normal conditions of life for women at the hands of Black men in those countries. Suddenly, they would be truly and meaningfully "Woke" to the truth that he White man wasn't really so awful after all. All White men have done is defend and (from the looks of the skinny White shrubs that defend them on Tucker) kiss their little pan-faced Yellow asses for a hundred years. The prizes get bigger and bigger for coming here and they get nastier and nastier as they rake it in with both sets of amber claws and talons.*

    Asian women throughout the world, being the most racist species in all of humanity, watching from afar, could get a sense of the true order of things with the Saudi/Somali experiment. But I suppose they STILL wouldn't STFU.

    *Yeah, I'm a bigot, but not so much I can't sleep nights. Mostly, I'm aping the open racism and sexism of "Sarah" Jeong and her ilk, which is most Asian Feminists. Still, Sarah Jeong makes a bigot like me stand up and say, "Hey, Jeong, ya bitch, that's really fuckin' racist!". It starts being racist when it starts being you, I guess.

    Problem for us with Asian men is they make a lousy patriarchy and so their women get out of line.

    Hey now, I run MY ship. Besides, I don’t think Sarah Jeong types are with Asian men.

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  64. Neoconned says:
    @Dr. Krieger
    The second area must have been on the West Side. Straight west on Chicago Avenue after Humboldt Park.
    Chicago does not have an East Side. If it did, it would be Lake Michigan. Chicago is a North and South Side City.

    You are correct…..west side….i apologize for that and the grammar errors….i type from a shitty smartphone as I don’t have a laptop any more….

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  65. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian
    There would be more entertainment value in sending the Mexicans to Africa and the blacks south of the border.

    And Asians to… Canada?
     

    Let's keep the Asian men right here for their brains. Asian men cause us no Social Justice problems. Problem for us with Asian men is they make a lousy patriarchy and so their women get out of line. The weakest women on the planet, the most annoying at every turn. And so I propose sending all the U.S. "educated" Sarah Jeongs to a couple of right and proper and violent and decidedly non-White Patriarchies, Saudi Arabia and Somalia. This, so they might get a shot at experiencing the real Patriarchy. Arabs and Somalis could sample some of that narrow yellow ass and at the same time, they could teach them some manners and their true place in the world outside of the protection of White men.

    Contrary to their college-bred ignorance, it would teach Asian women of the Feminist SJW variety first hand the normal conditions of life for women at the hands of Black men in those countries. Suddenly, they would be truly and meaningfully "Woke" to the truth that he White man wasn't really so awful after all. All White men have done is defend and (from the looks of the skinny White shrubs that defend them on Tucker) kiss their little pan-faced Yellow asses for a hundred years. The prizes get bigger and bigger for coming here and they get nastier and nastier as they rake it in with both sets of amber claws and talons.*

    Asian women throughout the world, being the most racist species in all of humanity, watching from afar, could get a sense of the true order of things with the Saudi/Somali experiment. But I suppose they STILL wouldn't STFU.

    *Yeah, I'm a bigot, but not so much I can't sleep nights. Mostly, I'm aping the open racism and sexism of "Sarah" Jeong and her ilk, which is most Asian Feminists. Still, Sarah Jeong makes a bigot like me stand up and say, "Hey, Jeong, ya bitch, that's really fuckin' racist!". It starts being racist when it starts being you, I guess.

    Let’s keep the Asian men right here for their brains. Asian men cause us no Social Justice problems.

    Most Asian men support mass immigration.

    And the subcon males (Hindus and Pakistanis) harbor jealousies and hatred toward White men. They tend to be anti-White.

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  66. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jim Christian
    Chicago could have been so much nicer had Harriet Tubman not moved the obsolete farm equipment/animals from the Old South to the new Industrial-strength stockyards and factories up North. Like cattle, she drove them. She didn't do it for free, the goodness of her heart didn't keep the herds fed and watered as they were shipped from the fields.

    Anyone know how much she was paid? She must have received a per-head fee for moving Blacks to where their labor could be exploited up North after they were replaced by machines in the South. We have the SJW narrative, but it costs to herd farm animals North.

    Their labor no longer needed today, where are they to be herded now?

    Much more Ida B. Wells than Harriet Tubman, and much more Robert Abbott, founder of the Chicago Defender, than either of them.

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  67. MBlanc46 says:
    @Dr. Krieger
    The second area must have been on the West Side. Straight west on Chicago Avenue after Humboldt Park.
    Chicago does not have an East Side. If it did, it would be Lake Michigan. Chicago is a North and South Side City.

    There is an East Side. It’s far south.

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