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Back in December, the day T. Rees Shapiro in the Washington Post broke a long, complicated, confusing but important story about the U. of Virginia fraternity gang rape allegations that allowed a careful reader to deduce that Jackie had catfished her purported gang rape organizer into electronic existence, a friend called from upstate New York to warn that the New York Times was going to try to make this story as vague and boring as possible so that most people wouldn’t be able to remember what happened. People would just remember that mistakes were made, proper journalistic procedures were not followed as carefully as they should be, and it was all a big he said, she said, but who knows maybe something happened to her, and anyway waddaya waddaya?

The Times has succeeded in keeping its columns a Safe Space for those who don’t want their views on the UVA story challenged too directly.

And you can see this is exactly pretty much what happened by looking at the reader comments to today’s NYT article on the police report. Here’s a fairly representative one:

So what does all of this mean? That RS misinterpreted or failed to validate her story? That Jackie lied? Did she? If so, why nobody says so? If not, where is the evidence? So unfortunate that this ‘story’ will end up having the most negative impact on those least deserving, true victims. Sad . . .

A commenter who actually knows the score replied:

Petrov Too close for comfort 1 hour ago
Research “Haven Monahan” and ‘catfishing’ to begin your education.

Exactly. By suppressing all reporting on Jackie’s catfishing, and never mentioning the dread name “Haven Monahan” until today, the NYT has succeeded in keeping the story tedious and vague, when it’s actually clear-cut and hilarious.

The crucial fact is that Jackie engaged in massive fabrication, and before anything else happened. She didn’t start making up stuff just when Sabrina Rubin Erdely arrived on campus, or when she first went to poor Dean Nicole Eramo, or when she told her friend Ryan that she had been raped.

No, days before the purported rape, Jackie was occupied in ginning up an elaborate scam involving electronic sock puppets to get Ryan to believe that a dream date named Haven Monahan was pursuing her. Why? To make Ryan jealous so he’d fall in love with her.

In Aristotle-Aquinas terms, Jackie was the Prime Mover of the whole story.

 
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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This NYT article mentions Haven Monahan:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/us/police-to-release-results-of-uva-rape-inquiry.html?_r=0
    ” And while both said they were told by Jackie that she had gone out on the night of Sept. 28, 2012, with a person named Haven Monahan — identified in the Rolling Stone article as “Drew” — the police were unable to track Mr. Monahan down”

  2. What I conclude from the Mike Brown/Haven Monahan/White Hispanic /NYT/CNN spin machine is that modern American news reporting is nothing but agit-prop. Its no longer a case of finding news stories that fit and agenda and highlighting them. Its now a case of making them up and reporting them as factual.

  3. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    NYT is into Havencaust Denial.

  4. I think most readers understand the truth notwithstanding the NYT’s efforts to muddy the waters. Here are the top ranked comments:

    “Universities need to stop acting as the intermediary when there is rape with a college student. They should NOT be in charge of investigations and the student should be reporting the crime to the police at the time it happens so that acutal law enforcement can do an immediate investigation and not one done months later when evidence is hard to find. Why campuses even have the authority to manage such investigations is beyond my understanding.

    Reply 286Recommended
    RS Philly 12 hours ago
    False accusations destroy lives.

    The woman should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Reply 214Recommended
    NYT Pick
    H.G Jackson, Wyomong 12 hours ago
    I am not quite clear why the university is changing the rules for fraternities based on a crime that did not happen. One would think if the rules were imposed based on the gang-rape of the student, that they would be withdrawn if the reason that they were instituted is no longer valid.

    It seems that university administrators lose all perspective, acting frantically even before the evidence is in, but demonstrating no similar haste in rectifying their mistakes, if it turns out no crime was committed at all.

    Reply 189Recommended
    CAF Seattle 12 hours ago
    And what consequences does a woman face when she makes up false sexual assault allegations against a man or men, wrecking their lives?”

    The problem that sites like the NYTimes have is that they no longer control the megaphone so that disturbingly un-Cathedral like views written by people who have not drunk the Kool-aid are being aired. They are under pressure from web gurus to be more interactive but my prediction is that they will kill off comments at some point or require the use of a real verified name or get rid of the “like” button. In the old days, before they would print a letter to the editor (they printed mine a couple of times) the would call you and verify that you wrote it.

    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    It is rather absurd that campuses have been allowed to take an active role in sexual assault investigations, or even that they wanted to.

    Imagine if WalMart decided that any rape which occurred in a megacenter was going to be first investigated by the store's security personnel, then adjudicated by a tribunal of checkout girls, with the accused then granted an appeal to the night manager.

    Wouldn't the left find that to be a creepy, wow-just-wow type of process?

    Wouldn't it prompt a thousand gawker articles?

    Wouldn't that suggest that WalMarts were generally far far overstaffed?

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Reply 286Recommended
    RS Philly 12 hours ago
    False accusations destroy lives.
     
    But true accusations often don't. Cf. Clinton.
    , @Anonymous
    "my prediction is that they will kill off comments at some point or require the use of a real verified name or get rid of the “like” button."

    Oh, it's coming, i see more and more comments closed stuff on "news" sites when things are going downhill for the officially endorsed narrative

  5. People would just remember that mistakes were made, proper journalistic procedures were not followed as carefully as they should be, and it was all a big he said, she said, but who knows maybe something happened to her, and anyway waddaya waddaya?

    It’s like Seinfeld’s yada yada. In fact, I can hear the NYT now, echoing Elaine boasting of yada-yada-ing sex: “I’ve waddaya-waddaya-ed journalistic fraud before…”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    It also reminds me of the Simpsons episode "Brother from the Same Planet" when Homer forgets to pick up Bast from soccer practice and leaves him stranded for hours, including through a rainstorm. When he finally arrives, Bart gets into the car sulkily and Homer tells him, "I know you're mad at me right now, and I'm kinda mad too ... I mean, we could sit here and try to figure out who forgot to pick up who till the cows come home. But let's just say we're both wrong and that'll be that."

    NYT version: "I know you're all confused and angry right now; we are too. We could sit here and try to figure out who's telling the truth about that horrible rape at the frat house till the cows come home. But let's just say both sides have their own version of the truth and leave it at that. Also, down with the patriarchy.
  6. Haven Monahan is a conflicted, sexy vampire.

    Jacky wants to reform Haven, and we all wish her success, but will she? Guess we have to wait for the next season to see.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    Ha- I will watch this show or at least DVR it. I assume it's on the CW...
  7. The fantasy world aspect of the internet is a big boost (enabler) to those who weave fantasies. 20 years ago Jackie’s fantasies would not have gotten further than the dormitory floor she lived on.

  8. Young women at the height of their powers can leave a trail of destruction. The likely trauma she caused all those young guys who were interrogated by the police. The wasted man hours.

    Young men who leave a trail of destruction usually go to jail. The fertile young woman will be accommodated.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies. I hear "Gone With the Wind" did some pretty good box office.
    , @Clyde

    Young women at the height of their powers can leave a trail of destruction. The likely trauma she caused all those young guys who were interrogated by the police. The wasted man hours.
    Young men who leave a trail of destruction usually go to jail. The fertile young woman will be accommodated.
     
    The 15 Magical Years of Womanhood
    http://www.returnofkings.com/9932/the-15-magical-years-of-womanhood

    Relative to males, the earning power and buying power of women is much higher than it was say 30 years ago. Just look at how advertisers cater to their whims and fantasies. Plus the range of businesses that cater to female desires is a much larger percentage of the US economy than 30 years ago. Who ever saw a nail salon 30 years ago? Guys paying taxes to the welfare system keep those Vietnamese run places afloat. Certain lines of automobiles slant their pitch towards women. My mother never bought a car. My father did this.

    Young woman always have had the tendencies you mention. It is part of life's drama. But these days they get indulged a lot more and schooled into rampant consumerism. Because young woman get spoiled growing up and none of them can cook or sew. (generalization)
  9. @Tacitus2016
    Young women at the height of their powers can leave a trail of destruction. The likely trauma she caused all those young guys who were interrogated by the police. The wasted man hours.

    Young men who leave a trail of destruction usually go to jail. The fertile young woman will be accommodated.

    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies. I hear “Gone With the Wind” did some pretty good box office.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Steve Sailer,

    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies. I hear “Gone With the Wind” did some pretty good box office.
     
    True, but I don't think "Gone With The Wind" is particularly good example.

    Scarlett did everything she did in order to get her man and to keep her home. She did all her real scheming, lying, killing, etc. for the latter; she pretty much confined herself to wearing pretty dresses and flashing her dimples for the former. Both Ashley and Rhett recognized that she drew her strength from her home and gave her best to it, Tara would always be first in her heart. Also, Mitchell was what we would call today a "race realist".

    A much better example of Hollywood profitting from its treatment of female hysteria and scheming would be "The Women".

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies.
     
    Ronald Reagan was aware, while he was making it, that That Hagen Girl was a terrible film. But Shirley Temple said it was the only one of hers she liked.

    That's according to The Fifty Worst Films of All Time, compiled by the Medved brothers and-- I kid you not-- Randy Dreyfuss.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    How about Kathleen Turner in Body Heat? Yowsa!
  10. “Mencken’s faux history of the bathtub quickly spread throughout the country. Not only did references to it pop up repeatedly in newspapers, but scholarly histories of public hygiene also cited it, illustrating Lord Balfour’s famous quip that, “History does not repeat itself. Historians repeat each other.”” http://hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/the_history_of_the_bathtub/

    It must of seemed worth repeating at the time. Every election is a kind of advanced auction of stolen goods and they don’t know how to lie so how can you trust them to steal?

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    The sportscaster, Phil Wood, often tells stories of how in his younger years he would manage to get nonsense placed into sports stories. He has worked a lot of different jobs in sports, including official scorer so he has spent a lot of years in the press box. His trick was to say something ridiculous loud enough to be heard, but low enough so it seemed like he was trying to keep in private.

    In a day or two he would laugh at how every sportswriter would swear "sources say..." repeating whatever it was he made up. He said the trick was to make sure it was not so outlandish that an editor would demand backup, but interesting enough that a reporter would want to use it so he could sound clever.

    This happens a lot on the Internet in sports. ESPN is the worst offender. Someone will post something in the comments and it gets picked up by one of their bloggers. Before long one of their bigfoot reporters is swearing they have a source for it. Then, the story evaporates.
  11. Echoes of To Kill a Mockingbird?

    Now there’s some irony.

  12. @Tacitus2016
    Young women at the height of their powers can leave a trail of destruction. The likely trauma she caused all those young guys who were interrogated by the police. The wasted man hours.

    Young men who leave a trail of destruction usually go to jail. The fertile young woman will be accommodated.

    Young women at the height of their powers can leave a trail of destruction. The likely trauma she caused all those young guys who were interrogated by the police. The wasted man hours.
    Young men who leave a trail of destruction usually go to jail. The fertile young woman will be accommodated.

    The 15 Magical Years of Womanhood
    http://www.returnofkings.com/9932/the-15-magical-years-of-womanhood

    Relative to males, the earning power and buying power of women is much higher than it was say 30 years ago. Just look at how advertisers cater to their whims and fantasies. Plus the range of businesses that cater to female desires is a much larger percentage of the US economy than 30 years ago. Who ever saw a nail salon 30 years ago? Guys paying taxes to the welfare system keep those Vietnamese run places afloat. Certain lines of automobiles slant their pitch towards women. My mother never bought a car. My father did this.

    Young woman always have had the tendencies you mention. It is part of life’s drama. But these days they get indulged a lot more and schooled into rampant consumerism. Because young woman get spoiled growing up and none of them can cook or sew. (generalization)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The rise of the Internet means that advertising makes up a larger fraction of the media's revenue than in the past, when subscriptions paid a larger share. And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.
    , @Lugash
    I'm amazed at the number of women way down the economic ladder who have their nails done. It's got to amount to several hours of net pay for them.

    Honda seems to be slanting towards women the most. It seems like all of their commercials feature a nice beta salesman selling a car to a single young woman.
  13. @Clyde

    Young women at the height of their powers can leave a trail of destruction. The likely trauma she caused all those young guys who were interrogated by the police. The wasted man hours.
    Young men who leave a trail of destruction usually go to jail. The fertile young woman will be accommodated.
     
    The 15 Magical Years of Womanhood
    http://www.returnofkings.com/9932/the-15-magical-years-of-womanhood

    Relative to males, the earning power and buying power of women is much higher than it was say 30 years ago. Just look at how advertisers cater to their whims and fantasies. Plus the range of businesses that cater to female desires is a much larger percentage of the US economy than 30 years ago. Who ever saw a nail salon 30 years ago? Guys paying taxes to the welfare system keep those Vietnamese run places afloat. Certain lines of automobiles slant their pitch towards women. My mother never bought a car. My father did this.

    Young woman always have had the tendencies you mention. It is part of life's drama. But these days they get indulged a lot more and schooled into rampant consumerism. Because young woman get spoiled growing up and none of them can cook or sew. (generalization)

    The rise of the Internet means that advertising makes up a larger fraction of the media’s revenue than in the past, when subscriptions paid a larger share. And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov'ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented. House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife. .

    The old arrangement with more well paying manly type jobs was what was behind white families with 3-4-5-6 children. Jobs that gave you the juice to reproduce with confidence. Jobs where real world tangible items were produced such as steel and automobiles and they paid! BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    , @David R. Merridale
    Is that really true? Don't you remember how thick the New Yorker used to be with ads for prestige products? In their case (and probably others) the subscription price was largely a way of filtering out the low-income demographic to make them more attractive to advertisers. There were none of these Weird Old Tricks to Lose 50 lbs in Two Weeks, which are so Hated by Language Teachers.
  14. One thing lefties sincerely hate and despise is the idea that they have been made fools of.

    For a group that prides itself on being smarter than everyone else, the idea that they have been duped is infuriating to a degree that you tend to notice it. They aren’t mature enough to admit being fooled, and so double-down on ridiculousness, or forget it exists, or else vehemently set out to burn the witch who fooled them. It’s almost has if they have brain damage on that part of the brain that in normal folks tells them, “Lighten up, Francis, ya got conned. Just learn from it.”

    And so the ritualistic burning-in-effigy of Stephen Glass and Jason Blair (less so the latter, because black) as master-manipulators, instead of, you know, a couple of dudes who found it triflingly easy to pull the wool over lefties’ eyes so long as you told them what they wanted to hear.

    So this Haven Monahan fiasco has to go down the memory hole, so lefties don’t feel stupid, or else Erdley will be burned in effigy as well.

    • Replies: @Honorary Thief
    Probably won't burn her too bad no matter what happens because woman and because tribe.
    , @Art Deco
    Stephen Glass told his editors what they were primed to hear. (One post-mortem pointed out that some of his fabrications were not sophisticated at all; gaudy, in fact).

    There were red flags waved in front of the editors at the time about Jayson Blair. It was not that he was telling his editors what they wanted to hear. It was that Sulzberger-Raines-Boyd did not want to hear from others on the staff that their patronage program had come completely a-cropper.
  15. The MSM did the same thing with the Manti Teo story except it was the other way around. He was never catfished- he just made the girl up from day one. Nobody could see the light on that story due to bad reporting and bending over backward to believe Teo’s many lies.

    I even seem to remember an excellent blogger whose sight I read every day not really getting the scam Te’o pulled…..if possible, revisit that story and see what you missed

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one

    I even seem to remember an excellent blogger whose sight I read every day
     
    So you are a sight reader, eh. Must be a good pianist.
  16. @anowow
    Haven Monahan is a conflicted, sexy vampire.

    Jacky wants to reform Haven, and we all wish her success, but will she? Guess we have to wait for the next season to see.

    Ha- I will watch this show or at least DVR it. I assume it’s on the CW…

  17. @Steve Sailer
    The rise of the Internet means that advertising makes up a larger fraction of the media's revenue than in the past, when subscriptions paid a larger share. And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov’ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented. House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife. .

    The old arrangement with more well paying manly type jobs was what was behind white families with 3-4-5-6 children. Jobs that gave you the juice to reproduce with confidence. Jobs where real world tangible items were produced such as steel and automobiles and they paid! BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    • Replies: @JSM
    Clyde: On behalf of all decent White women, a sincere thank you to the male sex for refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, ranges and all the other labor saving devices that have freed us from drudgery. I'm just sorry all this convenience caused *being* a housewife to get you considered a lazy parasite who ought to go get a job. --Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.
    , @David R. Merridale
    Also, the average wife in two-earner couple spends far above what her income would permit thanks to her sharing in her husband's income. I think I read an estimate of 80% higher, but I can't remember the source.
    , @Gallo-Roman
    And [advertisers] want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov’ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented.

    The family-supporting guy-type jobs being eliminated, shipped to China, or glutted with H1-Bs were were all part of a deliberate scheme to transfer buying power to women? And our obscenely bloated health-care sector, too? Damn, I thought the globalists, those wily bastards, were just in it for the money. I had no idea that feminizing (aka service-sectorizing) society was the goal, not a side consequence, of their machinations. (Bigger-bucks finance is still a guy-type job, though. Maybe they just haven't gotten to that on the master "to be feminized" to-do list.)

    House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife.

    Ah. It was the TV dramas wot done it. If I hadn't ditched my cable-TV subscription I'd probably be better informed about these things.
    , @Kylie
    @ Clyde,

    BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?
     
    On an individual level? Quite recently, I assure you.

    I'm no historian and certainly not one of the brightest of Steve's regular posters but even I figured out years ago that the two requirements for a society to be civilized are technology and the rule of law. Western women have white men to thank for both. Yet increasingly Western women today seem to be ignorant ingrates. Ungrateful for that which they can't fail to recognize has been provided by white men for female comfort and convenience and ignorant of the bigger picture.

    I see the feminization of society is just another facet of the infantilization of women. The more white men kowtow to women, the more women demand everything be centered around them and arranged for their comfort and convenience. This cannot possibly end well.

    .
    , @Reg Cæsar

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power.
     
    It's not unprecedented. A half-century ago, hell, a century ago, wives spent the bulk of what their husbands earned.

    The better wives (like my own) spend it for family purposes. The same reason the good husbands earn it.
    , @FWIW
    I am very in favor of women.

    However, they do live 7 years longer than men (at least). Are over 50% of the population. Spend over 1/2 the money. Have over 1/2 the assets.

    So, calling them a minority is .... silly.

    I don't blame women for being angry. However, I think they tend to be angry at the wrong target.

    And, all the hating on Womens Lib ... There are now so m any flavors that you can find one that doesn't offend you.

    And, women themselves are the biggest and most effective critics of that philosophy. The 3rd wave group. See Caitlin Flanagan. Or Sandra Tsing Loh. Women going head to head with other women. Better than mixed martial arts.
    , @Tracy

    BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?
     
    Actually, a woman invented the dishwasher. But your point remains, and I, for one, definitely thank men and think the male sex is glorious, taken for granted BIG time, and is screwed over in our society in ways that'd have most women on the floor moaning for mercy if the negativity were directed our way.
  18. A penny saved is a penny earned. Not mentioning any names but something young women tend to forget.

  19. I was speaking with a colleague this weekend, and he told me that the UVa fraternity rape story was a fraud. After Paying Attention, he had concluded the pieces only added up to a coherent whole, if there was media malpractice in the mix.

    That was refreshing.

    Me: “Have you heard of Haven Monahan?”

    Him: ???

    Steve, it’s helpful that you sprinkle your blog with posts like this one, where ‘self-educated’ skeptics can be referred for the not-fit-to-print details. My friend will likely be amused to learn about the dastardly antics of the redoubtable Mr. Monahan.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    After Paying Attention, he had concluded the pieces only added up to a coherent whole, if there was media malpractice in the mix.
     
    This is Walter Duranty's paper, you know.
  20. @Clyde
    And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov'ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented. House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife. .

    The old arrangement with more well paying manly type jobs was what was behind white families with 3-4-5-6 children. Jobs that gave you the juice to reproduce with confidence. Jobs where real world tangible items were produced such as steel and automobiles and they paid! BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    Clyde: On behalf of all decent White women, a sincere thank you to the male sex for refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, ranges and all the other labor saving devices that have freed us from drudgery. I’m just sorry all this convenience caused *being* a housewife to get you considered a lazy parasite who ought to go get a job. –Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    If you're a SAHM, thank you for raising your kids right.
    , @Ozymandias
    "Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater."

    The legacy of the vaunted Rosie Riveter.
    , @Clyde

    I’m just sorry all this convenience caused *being* a housewife to get you considered a lazy parasite who ought to go get a job. –Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.
     
    The real genius of women is being able to carry and give birth to healthy babies. Then have the patience and innate love to raise them especially during the younger years. Most men will implode if there was a role reversal and he was stuck at home dealing with three children under eight years old.
  21. @rustbeltreader
    "Mencken's faux history of the bathtub quickly spread throughout the country. Not only did references to it pop up repeatedly in newspapers, but scholarly histories of public hygiene also cited it, illustrating Lord Balfour's famous quip that, "History does not repeat itself. Historians repeat each other."" http://hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/the_history_of_the_bathtub/

    It must of seemed worth repeating at the time. Every election is a kind of advanced auction of stolen goods and they don't know how to lie so how can you trust them to steal?

    The sportscaster, Phil Wood, often tells stories of how in his younger years he would manage to get nonsense placed into sports stories. He has worked a lot of different jobs in sports, including official scorer so he has spent a lot of years in the press box. His trick was to say something ridiculous loud enough to be heard, but low enough so it seemed like he was trying to keep in private.

    In a day or two he would laugh at how every sportswriter would swear “sources say…” repeating whatever it was he made up. He said the trick was to make sure it was not so outlandish that an editor would demand backup, but interesting enough that a reporter would want to use it so he could sound clever.

    This happens a lot on the Internet in sports. ESPN is the worst offender. Someone will post something in the comments and it gets picked up by one of their bloggers. Before long one of their bigfoot reporters is swearing they have a source for it. Then, the story evaporates.

  22. @Steve Sailer
    The rise of the Internet means that advertising makes up a larger fraction of the media's revenue than in the past, when subscriptions paid a larger share. And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    Is that really true? Don’t you remember how thick the New Yorker used to be with ads for prestige products? In their case (and probably others) the subscription price was largely a way of filtering out the low-income demographic to make them more attractive to advertisers. There were none of these Weird Old Tricks to Lose 50 lbs in Two Weeks, which are so Hated by Language Teachers.

  23. I am never sure if NYT’s readers are genuinely stupid or if it is simply a matter of “ignorance is bliss.” Especially when it comes to the reality of life in the underclasses.

  24. @Clyde
    And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov'ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented. House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife. .

    The old arrangement with more well paying manly type jobs was what was behind white families with 3-4-5-6 children. Jobs that gave you the juice to reproduce with confidence. Jobs where real world tangible items were produced such as steel and automobiles and they paid! BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    Also, the average wife in two-earner couple spends far above what her income would permit thanks to her sharing in her husband’s income. I think I read an estimate of 80% higher, but I can’t remember the source.

  25. I can’t help but crack up every time I read “Haven Monahan,” she must’ve been one up with that name during a Dawson’s Creek or Gilmour Girls marathon

  26. @Clyde
    And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov'ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented. House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife. .

    The old arrangement with more well paying manly type jobs was what was behind white families with 3-4-5-6 children. Jobs that gave you the juice to reproduce with confidence. Jobs where real world tangible items were produced such as steel and automobiles and they paid! BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    And [advertisers] want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov’ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented.

    The family-supporting guy-type jobs being eliminated, shipped to China, or glutted with H1-Bs were were all part of a deliberate scheme to transfer buying power to women? And our obscenely bloated health-care sector, too? Damn, I thought the globalists, those wily bastards, were just in it for the money. I had no idea that feminizing (aka service-sectorizing) society was the goal, not a side consequence, of their machinations. (Bigger-bucks finance is still a guy-type job, though. Maybe they just haven’t gotten to that on the master “to be feminized” to-do list.)

    House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife.

    Ah. It was the TV dramas wot done it. If I hadn’t ditched my cable-TV subscription I’d probably be better informed about these things.

  27. Today’s shitshow will take place here where Jessica Valenti has sounded off on this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/24/inconsistencies-jackie-story-rolling-stone-rape

    *I post there as NobleDonkey

  28. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Seems everything is racist now.

    A high school teacher I know who teaches Java wanted to use the phrase “Java Programmers Have Class” on tshirts for the class.

    The kids claim that the phrase is racist!

  29. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Danindc
    The MSM did the same thing with the Manti Teo story except it was the other way around. He was never catfished- he just made the girl up from day one. Nobody could see the light on that story due to bad reporting and bending over backward to believe Teo's many lies.

    I even seem to remember an excellent blogger whose sight I read every day not really getting the scam Te'o pulled.....if possible, revisit that story and see what you missed

    I even seem to remember an excellent blogger whose sight I read every day

    So you are a sight reader, eh. Must be a good pianist.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    That's all you took from my insightful comment? Are you some kind of sociopath?
  30. GW says:

    In Aristotle-Aquinas terms, Jackie was the Prime Mover of the whole story.

    I’m glad to see you come to this conclusion. As bad as those in power are for not stopping the charade, without Jackie this story and the aftermath don’t exist.

    NY Times comment

    So what does all of this mean? That RS misinterpreted or failed to validate her story? That Jackie lied? Did she? If so, why nobody says so? If not, where is the evidence? So unfortunate that this ‘story’ will end up having the most negative impact on those least deserving, true victims. Sad . . .

    This type of consequentialist reasoning really bugs me. It’s similar to the reasoning some conservatives often offer regarding why they oppose same-sex “marriage,” that it will open the door to legitimate incestuous and polygamous unions. It makes it seem that same-sex “marriage” is okay in and of itself, when it isn’t.

    Even if Jackie’s story has no ill effect on the believability of the stories and sympathy toward actual victims, what she did was selfish, foolish, deceitful, and destructive. Her reluctance to admit her hoax and clear the names of the university and fraternity in question further demonstrates her lack of morals.

    • Replies: @jJay
    'Prime mover' is also an engineering term related to electrical power generation. The prime mover is the machine that applies the force to rotate the coils of wire past the magnets, or visa versa. Jacky would be a gasket or ball-bearing somewhere on that machine, if that's the analogy.
  31. UVa has a pretty strict honor code:

    http://www.virginia.edu/honor/overview/

    It seems clear that Jackie violated it. Why hasn’t the Honor Committee taken action?

  32. OT: blacks not allowed into Chinese restaurant in Nairobi.

    Saw the story on WSHH. Very interesting to learn how the Chinese are getting on in Africa.

  33. @Steve Sailer
    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies. I hear "Gone With the Wind" did some pretty good box office.

    ,

    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies. I hear “Gone With the Wind” did some pretty good box office.

    True, but I don’t think “Gone With The Wind” is particularly good example.

    Scarlett did everything she did in order to get her man and to keep her home. She did all her real scheming, lying, killing, etc. for the latter; she pretty much confined herself to wearing pretty dresses and flashing her dimples for the former. Both Ashley and Rhett recognized that she drew her strength from her home and gave her best to it, Tara would always be first in her heart. Also, Mitchell was what we would call today a “race realist”.

    A much better example of Hollywood profitting from its treatment of female hysteria and scheming would be “The Women”.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The 1939 version of Claire Booth Luce's "The Women" is great. The remake with Meg Ryan is totally forgettable.
  34. So I just found out that the Rolling Stone article used her real first name.

    Her name is Jackie Coakley and you can Google her name and find articles and pictures of her.

    She is actually pretty hot. I’m not sure what I expected, but she is much better looking that I was picturing in my head.

  35. @Jack D
    I think most readers understand the truth notwithstanding the NYT's efforts to muddy the waters. Here are the top ranked comments:

    "Universities need to stop acting as the intermediary when there is rape with a college student. They should NOT be in charge of investigations and the student should be reporting the crime to the police at the time it happens so that acutal law enforcement can do an immediate investigation and not one done months later when evidence is hard to find. Why campuses even have the authority to manage such investigations is beyond my understanding.

    Reply 286Recommended
    RS Philly 12 hours ago
    False accusations destroy lives.

    The woman should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Reply 214Recommended
    NYT Pick
    H.G Jackson, Wyomong 12 hours ago
    I am not quite clear why the university is changing the rules for fraternities based on a crime that did not happen. One would think if the rules were imposed based on the gang-rape of the student, that they would be withdrawn if the reason that they were instituted is no longer valid.

    It seems that university administrators lose all perspective, acting frantically even before the evidence is in, but demonstrating no similar haste in rectifying their mistakes, if it turns out no crime was committed at all.

    Reply 189Recommended
    CAF Seattle 12 hours ago
    And what consequences does a woman face when she makes up false sexual assault allegations against a man or men, wrecking their lives?"

    The problem that sites like the NYTimes have is that they no longer control the megaphone so that disturbingly un-Cathedral like views written by people who have not drunk the Kool-aid are being aired. They are under pressure from web gurus to be more interactive but my prediction is that they will kill off comments at some point or require the use of a real verified name or get rid of the "like" button. In the old days, before they would print a letter to the editor (they printed mine a couple of times) the would call you and verify that you wrote it.

    It is rather absurd that campuses have been allowed to take an active role in sexual assault investigations, or even that they wanted to.

    Imagine if WalMart decided that any rape which occurred in a megacenter was going to be first investigated by the store’s security personnel, then adjudicated by a tribunal of checkout girls, with the accused then granted an appeal to the night manager.

    Wouldn’t the left find that to be a creepy, wow-just-wow type of process?

    Wouldn’t it prompt a thousand gawker articles?

    Wouldn’t that suggest that WalMarts were generally far far overstaffed?

  36. “Who ever saw a nail salon 30 years ago? ”

    Right. I remember my mom painting her own nails at the kitchen table when I was growing up in the ’80s and ’90s. However if in 2015 I try to point out to my mom and sister how much money they would save not going for manicures and pedicures they look at me like I have two heads.

    Another thing about the female work force: I was watching an episode of “Hoarders” once and they had on a lady, a “hoarding and clean-up consultant” or something to that effect. Huh? To clean out a filthy house you do not just need able bodied folks with garbage bags and shovels but you need charge god knows what by the hour consultants? Seems like good paying traditionally male jobs disappear while useless makework female dominated jobs abound.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Silber
    Only a matter of time before one'll need a college degree and a license to become a closet consultant.
  37. Adding to the confusion of the story:

    Haven Monahan / Drew / Ryan / Randall??? (Bueller, Bueller … ?)

    waddaya waddaya?

    It makes my head spin. I give up!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hi Steve,

    Maybe you should just DELETE the message to which this message is a reply, and that I originally posted. I never should have submitted it.

    THANKS!
  38. @Clyde
    And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov'ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented. House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife. .

    The old arrangement with more well paying manly type jobs was what was behind white families with 3-4-5-6 children. Jobs that gave you the juice to reproduce with confidence. Jobs where real world tangible items were produced such as steel and automobiles and they paid! BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    @ Clyde,

    BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    On an individual level? Quite recently, I assure you.

    I’m no historian and certainly not one of the brightest of Steve’s regular posters but even I figured out years ago that the two requirements for a society to be civilized are technology and the rule of law. Western women have white men to thank for both. Yet increasingly Western women today seem to be ignorant ingrates. Ungrateful for that which they can’t fail to recognize has been provided by white men for female comfort and convenience and ignorant of the bigger picture.

    I see the feminization of society is just another facet of the infantilization of women. The more white men kowtow to women, the more women demand everything be centered around them and arranged for their comfort and convenience. This cannot possibly end well.

    .

  39. If the New York Times reported the Sue Smith murder case the same way they do for the U-Va rape hoax it would have gone something like this:

    Union, S.C.. — The police here said Monday that they had found no evidence that a black man hijacked Sue Smith’s car and kidnapped her children, and that they were suspending their investigation, after a lengthy inquiry in which the alleged victim refused to cooperate. But they said the inquiry was not closed.

    “I can’t prove that something didn’t happen, and there may come a point in time in which this survivor, or this complaining party or someone else, may come forward with some information that might help us move this investigation further,” Police Chief Timothy Longo told a roomful of reporters here.

    “That doesn’t mean that a black man did not do something terrible to Sue Smith on the evening of Oct. 25, 1994,” Chief Longo said, referring to the alleged victim and adding that his department was simply unable to corroborate her account. He added, “This case is not closed by any stretch of the imagination.”

  40. @Jack D
    I think most readers understand the truth notwithstanding the NYT's efforts to muddy the waters. Here are the top ranked comments:

    "Universities need to stop acting as the intermediary when there is rape with a college student. They should NOT be in charge of investigations and the student should be reporting the crime to the police at the time it happens so that acutal law enforcement can do an immediate investigation and not one done months later when evidence is hard to find. Why campuses even have the authority to manage such investigations is beyond my understanding.

    Reply 286Recommended
    RS Philly 12 hours ago
    False accusations destroy lives.

    The woman should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Reply 214Recommended
    NYT Pick
    H.G Jackson, Wyomong 12 hours ago
    I am not quite clear why the university is changing the rules for fraternities based on a crime that did not happen. One would think if the rules were imposed based on the gang-rape of the student, that they would be withdrawn if the reason that they were instituted is no longer valid.

    It seems that university administrators lose all perspective, acting frantically even before the evidence is in, but demonstrating no similar haste in rectifying their mistakes, if it turns out no crime was committed at all.

    Reply 189Recommended
    CAF Seattle 12 hours ago
    And what consequences does a woman face when she makes up false sexual assault allegations against a man or men, wrecking their lives?"

    The problem that sites like the NYTimes have is that they no longer control the megaphone so that disturbingly un-Cathedral like views written by people who have not drunk the Kool-aid are being aired. They are under pressure from web gurus to be more interactive but my prediction is that they will kill off comments at some point or require the use of a real verified name or get rid of the "like" button. In the old days, before they would print a letter to the editor (they printed mine a couple of times) the would call you and verify that you wrote it.

    Reply 286Recommended
    RS Philly 12 hours ago
    False accusations destroy lives.

    But true accusations often don’t. Cf. Clinton.

  41. @ic1000
    I was speaking with a colleague this weekend, and he told me that the UVa fraternity rape story was a fraud. After Paying Attention, he had concluded the pieces only added up to a coherent whole, if there was media malpractice in the mix.

    That was refreshing.

    Me: "Have you heard of Haven Monahan?"

    Him: ???

    Steve, it's helpful that you sprinkle your blog with posts like this one, where 'self-educated' skeptics can be referred for the not-fit-to-print details. My friend will likely be amused to learn about the dastardly antics of the redoubtable Mr. Monahan.

    After Paying Attention, he had concluded the pieces only added up to a coherent whole, if there was media malpractice in the mix.

    This is Walter Duranty’s paper, you know.

  42. WaPo’s Richard Cohen:

    Ferguson has become the liberal Benghazi. It is more of a cause than a place, more of an ideological statement than an incident. Ferguson was not the racist murder it was thought to be, and Benghazi was not an incident in which the Obama administration’s incompetence or timidity allowed four Americans to die. The facts argue otherwise.

    Both events tell us something about the passions of our times. It was quickly apparent what had happened at Ferguson. Michael Brown was not on his knees, hands up, when he was shot. He was rushing at the police officer.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ferguson-and-benghazis-troubling-parallels/2015/03/23/5812b468-d17a-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html

    • Replies: @Stealth
    Cohen should be ashamed of himself. I saw that column earlier today, but to my knowledge, he has never apologized for a previous column he wrote in condemnation of Jackie's supposed rape.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-alleged-rape-at-u-va-reveals-a-lack-of-real-men/2014/11/24/c6bfe486-740e-11e4-a589-1b102c2f81d0_story.html

    PS, I don't often make accusations of "anti-gentilism," mostly because I think it's not nearly as prevalent as some folks believe, but occasionally I get the distinct impression that Richard Cohen might be eaten alive with it.

  43. @Clyde
    And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov'ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented. House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife. .

    The old arrangement with more well paying manly type jobs was what was behind white families with 3-4-5-6 children. Jobs that gave you the juice to reproduce with confidence. Jobs where real world tangible items were produced such as steel and automobiles and they paid! BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power.

    It’s not unprecedented. A half-century ago, hell, a century ago, wives spent the bulk of what their husbands earned.

    The better wives (like my own) spend it for family purposes. The same reason the good husbands earn it.

  44. @Clyde
    And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov'ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented. House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife. .

    The old arrangement with more well paying manly type jobs was what was behind white families with 3-4-5-6 children. Jobs that gave you the juice to reproduce with confidence. Jobs where real world tangible items were produced such as steel and automobiles and they paid! BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    I am very in favor of women.

    However, they do live 7 years longer than men (at least). Are over 50% of the population. Spend over 1/2 the money. Have over 1/2 the assets.

    So, calling them a minority is …. silly.

    I don’t blame women for being angry. However, I think they tend to be angry at the wrong target.

    And, all the hating on Womens Lib … There are now so m any flavors that you can find one that doesn’t offend you.

    And, women themselves are the biggest and most effective critics of that philosophy. The 3rd wave group. See Caitlin Flanagan. Or Sandra Tsing Loh. Women going head to head with other women. Better than mixed martial arts.

  45. @whorefinder
    One thing lefties sincerely hate and despise is the idea that they have been made fools of.

    For a group that prides itself on being smarter than everyone else, the idea that they have been duped is infuriating to a degree that you tend to notice it. They aren't mature enough to admit being fooled, and so double-down on ridiculousness, or forget it exists, or else vehemently set out to burn the witch who fooled them. It's almost has if they have brain damage on that part of the brain that in normal folks tells them, "Lighten up, Francis, ya got conned. Just learn from it."

    And so the ritualistic burning-in-effigy of Stephen Glass and Jason Blair (less so the latter, because black) as master-manipulators, instead of, you know, a couple of dudes who found it triflingly easy to pull the wool over lefties' eyes so long as you told them what they wanted to hear.

    So this Haven Monahan fiasco has to go down the memory hole, so lefties don't feel stupid, or else Erdley will be burned in effigy as well.

    Probably won’t burn her too bad no matter what happens because woman and because tribe.

  46. @Steve Sailer
    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies. I hear "Gone With the Wind" did some pretty good box office.

    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies.

    Ronald Reagan was aware, while he was making it, that That Hagen Girl was a terrible film. But Shirley Temple said it was the only one of hers she liked.

    That’s according to The Fifty Worst Films of All Time, compiled by the Medved brothers and– I kid you not– Randy Dreyfuss.

  47. I gather that many reporters know who “Jackie” is by this point. Even UVA students appear to know.

    So why is “Jackie’s” identity being protected?

    Doesn’t she deserve some ridicule and public humiliation? If she is publicly exposed, won’t it deter the next “Jackie”?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    She is Jackie Coakley of Stafford, Va. Newspapers are willing to print the name of accused rapists but never their accusers (and sometimes continue with such behavior after the story implodes).
  48. @whorefinder
    One thing lefties sincerely hate and despise is the idea that they have been made fools of.

    For a group that prides itself on being smarter than everyone else, the idea that they have been duped is infuriating to a degree that you tend to notice it. They aren't mature enough to admit being fooled, and so double-down on ridiculousness, or forget it exists, or else vehemently set out to burn the witch who fooled them. It's almost has if they have brain damage on that part of the brain that in normal folks tells them, "Lighten up, Francis, ya got conned. Just learn from it."

    And so the ritualistic burning-in-effigy of Stephen Glass and Jason Blair (less so the latter, because black) as master-manipulators, instead of, you know, a couple of dudes who found it triflingly easy to pull the wool over lefties' eyes so long as you told them what they wanted to hear.

    So this Haven Monahan fiasco has to go down the memory hole, so lefties don't feel stupid, or else Erdley will be burned in effigy as well.

    Stephen Glass told his editors what they were primed to hear. (One post-mortem pointed out that some of his fabrications were not sophisticated at all; gaudy, in fact).

    There were red flags waved in front of the editors at the time about Jayson Blair. It was not that he was telling his editors what they wanted to hear. It was that Sulzberger-Raines-Boyd did not want to hear from others on the staff that their patronage program had come completely a-cropper.

  49. @Dennis Dale
    People would just remember that mistakes were made, proper journalistic procedures were not followed as carefully as they should be, and it was all a big he said, she said, but who knows maybe something happened to her, and anyway waddaya waddaya?

    It's like Seinfeld's yada yada. In fact, I can hear the NYT now, echoing Elaine boasting of yada-yada-ing sex: "I've waddaya-waddaya-ed journalistic fraud before..."

    It also reminds me of the Simpsons episode “Brother from the Same Planet” when Homer forgets to pick up Bast from soccer practice and leaves him stranded for hours, including through a rainstorm. When he finally arrives, Bart gets into the car sulkily and Homer tells him, “I know you’re mad at me right now, and I’m kinda mad too … I mean, we could sit here and try to figure out who forgot to pick up who till the cows come home. But let’s just say we’re both wrong and that’ll be that.”

    NYT version: “I know you’re all confused and angry right now; we are too. We could sit here and try to figure out who’s telling the truth about that horrible rape at the frat house till the cows come home. But let’s just say both sides have their own version of the truth and leave it at that. Also, down with the patriarchy.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    Nailed it
    #Simpsonsdiditfirst
  50. There’s much worse than ‘ambiguity’ if you delve deeper. Many contributors agree that this is a “he said, she said” story, true enough. But a voluble minority insists that Jackie is the ‘true victim’ here and the police didn’t find Haven Monahan …because they didn’t look hard enough. They didn’t trust the womyn’s story because male privilege.

    And in both the NYT and WP comments, we have accusations that anyone attacking Jackie’s story must be a serial rapist himself. A couple responded that they too are female. Then it’s pointed out that women too can rape. And so it goes…

    Steve…Petrov thanks you for the h/t.

  51. @Harry Baldwin
    It also reminds me of the Simpsons episode "Brother from the Same Planet" when Homer forgets to pick up Bast from soccer practice and leaves him stranded for hours, including through a rainstorm. When he finally arrives, Bart gets into the car sulkily and Homer tells him, "I know you're mad at me right now, and I'm kinda mad too ... I mean, we could sit here and try to figure out who forgot to pick up who till the cows come home. But let's just say we're both wrong and that'll be that."

    NYT version: "I know you're all confused and angry right now; we are too. We could sit here and try to figure out who's telling the truth about that horrible rape at the frat house till the cows come home. But let's just say both sides have their own version of the truth and leave it at that. Also, down with the patriarchy.

    Nailed it
    #Simpsonsdiditfirst

  52. @Anonymous
    Adding to the confusion of the story:

    Haven Monahan / Drew / Ryan / Randall??? (Bueller, Bueller ... ?)

    waddaya waddaya?

    It makes my head spin. I give up!

    Hi Steve,

    Maybe you should just DELETE the message to which this message is a reply, and that I originally posted. I never should have submitted it.

    THANKS!

  53. @Clyde

    Young women at the height of their powers can leave a trail of destruction. The likely trauma she caused all those young guys who were interrogated by the police. The wasted man hours.
    Young men who leave a trail of destruction usually go to jail. The fertile young woman will be accommodated.
     
    The 15 Magical Years of Womanhood
    http://www.returnofkings.com/9932/the-15-magical-years-of-womanhood

    Relative to males, the earning power and buying power of women is much higher than it was say 30 years ago. Just look at how advertisers cater to their whims and fantasies. Plus the range of businesses that cater to female desires is a much larger percentage of the US economy than 30 years ago. Who ever saw a nail salon 30 years ago? Guys paying taxes to the welfare system keep those Vietnamese run places afloat. Certain lines of automobiles slant their pitch towards women. My mother never bought a car. My father did this.

    Young woman always have had the tendencies you mention. It is part of life's drama. But these days they get indulged a lot more and schooled into rampant consumerism. Because young woman get spoiled growing up and none of them can cook or sew. (generalization)

    I’m amazed at the number of women way down the economic ladder who have their nails done. It’s got to amount to several hours of net pay for them.

    Honda seems to be slanting towards women the most. It seems like all of their commercials feature a nice beta salesman selling a car to a single young woman.

    • Replies: @whorefinder

    I’m amazed at the number of women way down the economic ladder who have their nails done. It’s got to amount to several hours of net pay for them.
     
    For women, having your nails done gives them the feeling of being master of a servant; you've got someone doting on an inconsequential part of your anatomy to make it prettier and you get to order them around; you feel like a coquettish queen instead of a working-class woman doing other people's chores (working class women v. rich women have long been defined by rough v. smooth, delicate hands). Plus you get to gossip for hours, which is an important socialization thing for chicks.

    For the poorer, such moments of queeni-ness and coquettishness are rarer, so they tend to overspend for that privilege. Plus intra-woman competition on who-has-the-best-nails.
    , @unit472
    Cars made for women have a long history. The NASH Metropolitan was a 1950's effort to provide Mom with a small, cute car for her shopping and kid hauling needs.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Series_III_Hardtop.jpg

    When GM came out with the Saturn brand it too was targeted at female buyers and had a female division president. Even Aston Martin had a compact version for the daughter/wife of the full size version owner and now is going to produce a full size version designed especially for high income women. I suspect Volvo has long known its cars appealed more to women than men in North America at least and thus it marketed safety more than performance or luxury.

  54. Entirely off topic
    A few days ago Steve had a piece about the song Creep.
    So here is a version that should knock your birkies for a loop.

  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/24/us-equalpay-nursing-idUSKBN0MK1YK20150324

    Male nurses make more than women nurses & the feminists are up in arms.

    I’m studying nursing now and I’ve been told by more than one nurse that they don’t want to work night shift(where pay is higher) and don’t want to work charity hospitals or other “undesirable” jobs.

    A 2 year community college ADN only makes a quarter less per hour than a 4 year BSN university trained nurse.

    So a 2 yr community college nurse makes more working night shift than a female nurse who went to a 4 year college….

    They don’t like working “bad shifts” or working in places like inner city hospitals where you deal with crackheads and other “filth of society.” That’s where I plan on going once I become a traveling nurse — and my pay rate will be something like 10-33% higher than a regular nurse because of that career choice.

    They want the higher pay but they don’t want the risk of working in dangerous or remote locations so they don’t warrant more money for “hazard pay.” And yet still they complain.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I don't know where you live, but a union hospital is the way to go.

    My girlfriend is a nurse at a unionized inner city hospital, and the vaunted (but non-union) Massachusetts General Hospital offered her a job. They were $35K per annum short of what she makes now.
  56. To tell you the truth, I don’t understand catfishing. But I do understand bullshitting.

  57. “That RS misinterpreted or failed to validate her story? ”

    The global warming hockey stick graph comes to mind with that comment. The devil is is still real, he’s just more stealthy than we had thought. That rape and AGW are still true, but not a cause for hysteria, is disappointing so some.

  58. @Lugash
    I'm amazed at the number of women way down the economic ladder who have their nails done. It's got to amount to several hours of net pay for them.

    Honda seems to be slanting towards women the most. It seems like all of their commercials feature a nice beta salesman selling a car to a single young woman.

    I’m amazed at the number of women way down the economic ladder who have their nails done. It’s got to amount to several hours of net pay for them.

    For women, having your nails done gives them the feeling of being master of a servant; you’ve got someone doting on an inconsequential part of your anatomy to make it prettier and you get to order them around; you feel like a coquettish queen instead of a working-class woman doing other people’s chores (working class women v. rich women have long been defined by rough v. smooth, delicate hands). Plus you get to gossip for hours, which is an important socialization thing for chicks.

    For the poorer, such moments of queeni-ness and coquettishness are rarer, so they tend to overspend for that privilege. Plus intra-woman competition on who-has-the-best-nails.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Eh, I don't think most women are gossiping much with their Vietnamese nail salon workers. And not really ordering them around that much either. It's more that being a presentable woman requires a lot more (and more expensive) maintenance than being a man. And doing your own nails can be messy.
    , @Lugash
    For the poorer, such moments of queeni-ness and coquettishness are rarer, so they tend to overspend for that privilege.

    That makes sense. All things considered, it's probably the cheapest way for a poor woman to pamper herself.
  59. @whorefinder

    I’m amazed at the number of women way down the economic ladder who have their nails done. It’s got to amount to several hours of net pay for them.
     
    For women, having your nails done gives them the feeling of being master of a servant; you've got someone doting on an inconsequential part of your anatomy to make it prettier and you get to order them around; you feel like a coquettish queen instead of a working-class woman doing other people's chores (working class women v. rich women have long been defined by rough v. smooth, delicate hands). Plus you get to gossip for hours, which is an important socialization thing for chicks.

    For the poorer, such moments of queeni-ness and coquettishness are rarer, so they tend to overspend for that privilege. Plus intra-woman competition on who-has-the-best-nails.

    Eh, I don’t think most women are gossiping much with their Vietnamese nail salon workers. And not really ordering them around that much either. It’s more that being a presentable woman requires a lot more (and more expensive) maintenance than being a man. And doing your own nails can be messy.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    Most likely they're gossiping with their friends, not the salon workers. Women never go to the salon by themselves.
    , @Art Deco
    My mother was 'presentable' and I'm fairly sure she never had her nails done in her life. She also quit wearing nail polish after she was married because my father thought it vulgar. She never died her hair and had the same two bottles of perfume on her dressing table for 28 years.
  60. @Kylie
    @Steve Sailer,

    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies. I hear “Gone With the Wind” did some pretty good box office.
     
    True, but I don't think "Gone With The Wind" is particularly good example.

    Scarlett did everything she did in order to get her man and to keep her home. She did all her real scheming, lying, killing, etc. for the latter; she pretty much confined herself to wearing pretty dresses and flashing her dimples for the former. Both Ashley and Rhett recognized that she drew her strength from her home and gave her best to it, Tara would always be first in her heart. Also, Mitchell was what we would call today a "race realist".

    A much better example of Hollywood profitting from its treatment of female hysteria and scheming would be "The Women".

    The 1939 version of Claire Booth Luce’s “The Women” is great. The remake with Meg Ryan is totally forgettable.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @ Steve Sailer,

    The 1939 version of Claire Booth Luce’s “The Women” is great. The remake with Meg Ryan is totally forgettable.
     
    Agreed. I made this distinction in my comment but edited it out as superfluous. Shearer as the long-suffering, misunderstood woman, Crawford as the scheming shop girl who marries up, Fontaine as the shy unworldly wife were all perfectly cast as types they played so well in this movie and others (e.g., "A Free Soul", "Possessed", "Rebecca" respectively).

    I generally consider original movies superior to their remakes. A notable exception is Huston's remake of "The Maltese Falcon". Scorcese did a good job remaking "The Age of Innocence" and "The Departed" but failed miserably with "Cape Fear".

    And finally, because no comment about "The Women" seems complete without it: "Jungle Red!"
  61. @The most deplorable one

    I even seem to remember an excellent blogger whose sight I read every day
     
    So you are a sight reader, eh. Must be a good pianist.

    That’s all you took from my insightful comment? Are you some kind of sociopath?

  62. @GW

    In Aristotle-Aquinas terms, Jackie was the Prime Mover of the whole story.
     
    I'm glad to see you come to this conclusion. As bad as those in power are for not stopping the charade, without Jackie this story and the aftermath don't exist.

    NY Times comment


    So what does all of this mean? That RS misinterpreted or failed to validate her story? That Jackie lied? Did she? If so, why nobody says so? If not, where is the evidence? So unfortunate that this ‘story’ will end up having the most negative impact on those least deserving, true victims. Sad . . .
     
    This type of consequentialist reasoning really bugs me. It's similar to the reasoning some conservatives often offer regarding why they oppose same-sex "marriage," that it will open the door to legitimate incestuous and polygamous unions. It makes it seem that same-sex "marriage" is okay in and of itself, when it isn't.

    Even if Jackie's story has no ill effect on the believability of the stories and sympathy toward actual victims, what she did was selfish, foolish, deceitful, and destructive. Her reluctance to admit her hoax and clear the names of the university and fraternity in question further demonstrates her lack of morals.

    ‘Prime mover’ is also an engineering term related to electrical power generation. The prime mover is the machine that applies the force to rotate the coils of wire past the magnets, or visa versa. Jacky would be a gasket or ball-bearing somewhere on that machine, if that’s the analogy.

  63. The far left wing MSNBC liberal Chris Matthews has blond hair, maybe he raped Jackie.

  64. @JSM
    Clyde: On behalf of all decent White women, a sincere thank you to the male sex for refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, ranges and all the other labor saving devices that have freed us from drudgery. I'm just sorry all this convenience caused *being* a housewife to get you considered a lazy parasite who ought to go get a job. --Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.

    If you’re a SAHM, thank you for raising your kids right.

    • Replies: @JSM
    Thank you, Lugash,
    I was, indeed, a SAHM. (My kids are now in their twenties.) I work now. I'm a big believer in the idea of Sequencing...Having it all, just not all at once.
  65. @Dave Pinsen
    Eh, I don't think most women are gossiping much with their Vietnamese nail salon workers. And not really ordering them around that much either. It's more that being a presentable woman requires a lot more (and more expensive) maintenance than being a man. And doing your own nails can be messy.

    Most likely they’re gossiping with their friends, not the salon workers. Women never go to the salon by themselves.

    • Replies: @pseudonymic handle
    I'm a stay-at-home mom, but I put off getting my nails done as long as possible (it's a major waste of time, but pretty much de rigeur as the weather warms and flip flops/sandals become the footwear of choice). I've always gone on my own and aim for a time when it's less likely to be full of noisy, empty-headed women. The first time I ever had a professional mani/pedi, about 30 years ago, it was very much a luxury event and the manicurist was a Venezuelan. Now there are nail salons in Walmart filled with Vietnamese doing jobs Americans won't do.
  66. @Zippy
    I gather that many reporters know who "Jackie" is by this point. Even UVA students appear to know.

    So why is "Jackie's" identity being protected?

    Doesn't she deserve some ridicule and public humiliation? If she is publicly exposed, won't it deter the next "Jackie"?

    She is Jackie Coakley of Stafford, Va. Newspapers are willing to print the name of accused rapists but never their accusers (and sometimes continue with such behavior after the story implodes).

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    In 1991, the NYT printed the full name of the woman who accused William Kennedy Smith of raping her. Even the TV networks blotted out her face during their live gavel-to-gavel coverage, but the good old Gray Lady was only too happy to let everyone know who she was.

    But Jackie is known to NYT readers only as Jackie. God forbid that anyone should find out who she is.

    The standard of "ethical journalism" is nothing if not flexible.
  67. @Dave Pinsen
    Eh, I don't think most women are gossiping much with their Vietnamese nail salon workers. And not really ordering them around that much either. It's more that being a presentable woman requires a lot more (and more expensive) maintenance than being a man. And doing your own nails can be messy.

    My mother was ‘presentable’ and I’m fairly sure she never had her nails done in her life. She also quit wearing nail polish after she was married because my father thought it vulgar. She never died her hair and had the same two bottles of perfume on her dressing table for 28 years.

  68. Over at the Grauniad too, having had the positive thoroughly debunked, one is now required to prove the negative.

    Because, after all:
    “Inconsistencies in Jackie’s story do not mean that she wasn’t raped at UVA”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/24/inconsistencies-jackie-story-rolling-stone-rape#comment-49417766

    If you have 30 seconds go and piss on them in the comments section.

  69. @Corn
    "Who ever saw a nail salon 30 years ago? "

    Right. I remember my mom painting her own nails at the kitchen table when I was growing up in the '80s and '90s. However if in 2015 I try to point out to my mom and sister how much money they would save not going for manicures and pedicures they look at me like I have two heads.

    Another thing about the female work force: I was watching an episode of "Hoarders" once and they had on a lady, a "hoarding and clean-up consultant" or something to that effect. Huh? To clean out a filthy house you do not just need able bodied folks with garbage bags and shovels but you need charge god knows what by the hour consultants? Seems like good paying traditionally male jobs disappear while useless makework female dominated jobs abound.

    Only a matter of time before one’ll need a college degree and a license to become a closet consultant.

    • Replies: @jimbojones
    Now that you mention it... I heard from a relative who teaches at a college, that the expansion of the bureaucracy at the college has included a (frankly nepotistic) hire that goes by the title of something like "Deanlet of Toilets" (the official title is different, but that's how I remember it).
    The guy has a degree in whatever, dresses up in a suit, stays at his office from 9 to 5, goes to meetings, devises policies, presumably goes to toilet conferences, and does God knows what else.
    Can't make this stuff up.
  70. @Lot
    WaPo's Richard Cohen:


    Ferguson has become the liberal Benghazi. It is more of a cause than a place, more of an ideological statement than an incident. Ferguson was not the racist murder it was thought to be, and Benghazi was not an incident in which the Obama administration’s incompetence or timidity allowed four Americans to die. The facts argue otherwise.

    Both events tell us something about the passions of our times. It was quickly apparent what had happened at Ferguson. Michael Brown was not on his knees, hands up, when he was shot. He was rushing at the police officer.
     
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ferguson-and-benghazis-troubling-parallels/2015/03/23/5812b468-d17a-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html

    Cohen should be ashamed of himself. I saw that column earlier today, but to my knowledge, he has never apologized for a previous column he wrote in condemnation of Jackie’s supposed rape.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-alleged-rape-at-u-va-reveals-a-lack-of-real-men/2014/11/24/c6bfe486-740e-11e4-a589-1b102c2f81d0_story.html

    PS, I don’t often make accusations of “anti-gentilism,” mostly because I think it’s not nearly as prevalent as some folks believe, but occasionally I get the distinct impression that Richard Cohen might be eaten alive with it.

    • Replies: @pseudonymic handle
    Cohen began writing columns for the Post's "urban section" (I think that was what it was called) about parking problems and city bureaucrats. His steady rise in the Post's hierarchy never seemed to me to be matched by an improvement in his writing (granted I stopped reading him, and the Post, decades ago). Either way, your distinct impression is spot on and one I share.
  71. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:

    Maybe there is no Haven Monahan in the census but he’s on twitter:

    About presentability and such, the one thing that Naomi Wolf got right is that it takes more money for a woman to be “presentable” now, than in the bad old pre-feminist days. But being Naomi Wolf, she couldn’t figure out why.

    “It takes an awful lot of money to make me look this cheap.” – Dolly Parton

  72. @Lugash
    I'm amazed at the number of women way down the economic ladder who have their nails done. It's got to amount to several hours of net pay for them.

    Honda seems to be slanting towards women the most. It seems like all of their commercials feature a nice beta salesman selling a car to a single young woman.

    Cars made for women have a long history. The NASH Metropolitan was a 1950’s effort to provide Mom with a small, cute car for her shopping and kid hauling needs.

    When GM came out with the Saturn brand it too was targeted at female buyers and had a female division president. Even Aston Martin had a compact version for the daughter/wife of the full size version owner and now is going to produce a full size version designed especially for high income women. I suspect Volvo has long known its cars appealed more to women than men in North America at least and thus it marketed safety more than performance or luxury.

  73. @Lugash
    If you're a SAHM, thank you for raising your kids right.

    Thank you, Lugash,
    I was, indeed, a SAHM. (My kids are now in their twenties.) I work now. I’m a big believer in the idea of Sequencing…Having it all, just not all at once.

  74. @whorefinder

    I’m amazed at the number of women way down the economic ladder who have their nails done. It’s got to amount to several hours of net pay for them.
     
    For women, having your nails done gives them the feeling of being master of a servant; you've got someone doting on an inconsequential part of your anatomy to make it prettier and you get to order them around; you feel like a coquettish queen instead of a working-class woman doing other people's chores (working class women v. rich women have long been defined by rough v. smooth, delicate hands). Plus you get to gossip for hours, which is an important socialization thing for chicks.

    For the poorer, such moments of queeni-ness and coquettishness are rarer, so they tend to overspend for that privilege. Plus intra-woman competition on who-has-the-best-nails.

    For the poorer, such moments of queeni-ness and coquettishness are rarer, so they tend to overspend for that privilege.

    That makes sense. All things considered, it’s probably the cheapest way for a poor woman to pamper herself.

  75. @Jonathan Silber
    Only a matter of time before one'll need a college degree and a license to become a closet consultant.

    Now that you mention it… I heard from a relative who teaches at a college, that the expansion of the bureaucracy at the college has included a (frankly nepotistic) hire that goes by the title of something like “Deanlet of Toilets” (the official title is different, but that’s how I remember it).
    The guy has a degree in whatever, dresses up in a suit, stays at his office from 9 to 5, goes to meetings, devises policies, presumably goes to toilet conferences, and does God knows what else.
    Can’t make this stuff up.

  76. So I looked your VDARE article linked in the piece above, the VDARE piece had a link to a Slate article of yours, what is funny is that you are not listed on the byeline, it merely says “authors” :http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dialogues/features/1999/does_abortion_prevent_crime/_5.html

    It sort of reminds me of when Tecmo Super Bowl couldn’t get the permission to use some players so you ended up with players like “QB Eagles” who had suspiciously similar attributes to Randal Cunningham.

    • Replies: @viceromannose
    whoops wrong posting. I'll amend.
  77. @viceromannose
    So I looked your VDARE article linked in the piece above, the VDARE piece had a link to a Slate article of yours, what is funny is that you are not listed on the byeline, it merely says "authors" :http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dialogues/features/1999/does_abortion_prevent_crime/_5.html

    It sort of reminds me of when Tecmo Super Bowl couldn't get the permission to use some players so you ended up with players like "QB Eagles" who had suspiciously similar attributes to Randal Cunningham.

    whoops wrong posting. I’ll amend.

  78. @Anonymous
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/24/us-equalpay-nursing-idUSKBN0MK1YK20150324

    Male nurses make more than women nurses & the feminists are up in arms.

    I'm studying nursing now and I've been told by more than one nurse that they don't want to work night shift(where pay is higher) and don't want to work charity hospitals or other "undesirable" jobs.

    A 2 year community college ADN only makes a quarter less per hour than a 4 year BSN university trained nurse.

    So a 2 yr community college nurse makes more working night shift than a female nurse who went to a 4 year college....

    They don't like working "bad shifts" or working in places like inner city hospitals where you deal with crackheads and other "filth of society." That's where I plan on going once I become a traveling nurse -- and my pay rate will be something like 10-33% higher than a regular nurse because of that career choice.

    They want the higher pay but they don't want the risk of working in dangerous or remote locations so they don't warrant more money for "hazard pay." And yet still they complain.

    I don’t know where you live, but a union hospital is the way to go.

    My girlfriend is a nurse at a unionized inner city hospital, and the vaunted (but non-union) Massachusetts General Hospital offered her a job. They were $35K per annum short of what she makes now.

  79. @Art Deco
    She is Jackie Coakley of Stafford, Va. Newspapers are willing to print the name of accused rapists but never their accusers (and sometimes continue with such behavior after the story implodes).

    In 1991, the NYT printed the full name of the woman who accused William Kennedy Smith of raping her. Even the TV networks blotted out her face during their live gavel-to-gavel coverage, but the good old Gray Lady was only too happy to let everyone know who she was.

    But Jackie is known to NYT readers only as Jackie. God forbid that anyone should find out who she is.

    The standard of “ethical journalism” is nothing if not flexible.

  80. Here’s the NYT article from 1991 about Patricia Bowman, the woman who said Ted Kennedy’s nephew raped her:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/17/us/woman-in-florida-rape-inquiry-fought-adversity-and-sought-acceptance.html

    Back then, the Best Paper in America implied that a woman who dared to go after a Kennedy was a slut. But Jackie, a pathological attention whore, is a sweet little lamb who must be protected at all costs. “We cannot allow the truth to muck up our narrative!”

    Why anyone still reads that dismal, overwritten rag is beyond me. Yes, every now and then some nuggets of truth do creep into the reporting, but wading through the multiculti/diversity sludge to get to the good stuff is like searching for diamonds in elephant dung.

  81. @JSM
    Clyde: On behalf of all decent White women, a sincere thank you to the male sex for refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, ranges and all the other labor saving devices that have freed us from drudgery. I'm just sorry all this convenience caused *being* a housewife to get you considered a lazy parasite who ought to go get a job. --Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.

    “Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.”

    The legacy of the vaunted Rosie Riveter.

    • Replies: @Tracy


    “Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.”
     
    The legacy of the vaunted Rosie Riveter.
     
    Now, Rosie didn't have much of a choice, did she? Someone had to build those Liberators.
  82. @Jack D
    I think most readers understand the truth notwithstanding the NYT's efforts to muddy the waters. Here are the top ranked comments:

    "Universities need to stop acting as the intermediary when there is rape with a college student. They should NOT be in charge of investigations and the student should be reporting the crime to the police at the time it happens so that acutal law enforcement can do an immediate investigation and not one done months later when evidence is hard to find. Why campuses even have the authority to manage such investigations is beyond my understanding.

    Reply 286Recommended
    RS Philly 12 hours ago
    False accusations destroy lives.

    The woman should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Reply 214Recommended
    NYT Pick
    H.G Jackson, Wyomong 12 hours ago
    I am not quite clear why the university is changing the rules for fraternities based on a crime that did not happen. One would think if the rules were imposed based on the gang-rape of the student, that they would be withdrawn if the reason that they were instituted is no longer valid.

    It seems that university administrators lose all perspective, acting frantically even before the evidence is in, but demonstrating no similar haste in rectifying their mistakes, if it turns out no crime was committed at all.

    Reply 189Recommended
    CAF Seattle 12 hours ago
    And what consequences does a woman face when she makes up false sexual assault allegations against a man or men, wrecking their lives?"

    The problem that sites like the NYTimes have is that they no longer control the megaphone so that disturbingly un-Cathedral like views written by people who have not drunk the Kool-aid are being aired. They are under pressure from web gurus to be more interactive but my prediction is that they will kill off comments at some point or require the use of a real verified name or get rid of the "like" button. In the old days, before they would print a letter to the editor (they printed mine a couple of times) the would call you and verify that you wrote it.

    “my prediction is that they will kill off comments at some point or require the use of a real verified name or get rid of the “like” button.”

    Oh, it’s coming, i see more and more comments closed stuff on “news” sites when things are going downhill for the officially endorsed narrative

  83. @Lugash
    Most likely they're gossiping with their friends, not the salon workers. Women never go to the salon by themselves.

    I’m a stay-at-home mom, but I put off getting my nails done as long as possible (it’s a major waste of time, but pretty much de rigeur as the weather warms and flip flops/sandals become the footwear of choice). I’ve always gone on my own and aim for a time when it’s less likely to be full of noisy, empty-headed women. The first time I ever had a professional mani/pedi, about 30 years ago, it was very much a luxury event and the manicurist was a Venezuelan. Now there are nail salons in Walmart filled with Vietnamese doing jobs Americans won’t do.

  84. @Stealth
    Cohen should be ashamed of himself. I saw that column earlier today, but to my knowledge, he has never apologized for a previous column he wrote in condemnation of Jackie's supposed rape.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-alleged-rape-at-u-va-reveals-a-lack-of-real-men/2014/11/24/c6bfe486-740e-11e4-a589-1b102c2f81d0_story.html

    PS, I don't often make accusations of "anti-gentilism," mostly because I think it's not nearly as prevalent as some folks believe, but occasionally I get the distinct impression that Richard Cohen might be eaten alive with it.

    Cohen began writing columns for the Post’s “urban section” (I think that was what it was called) about parking problems and city bureaucrats. His steady rise in the Post’s hierarchy never seemed to me to be matched by an improvement in his writing (granted I stopped reading him, and the Post, decades ago). Either way, your distinct impression is spot on and one I share.

  85. @Steve Sailer
    The 1939 version of Claire Booth Luce's "The Women" is great. The remake with Meg Ryan is totally forgettable.

    @ Steve Sailer,

    The 1939 version of Claire Booth Luce’s “The Women” is great. The remake with Meg Ryan is totally forgettable.

    Agreed. I made this distinction in my comment but edited it out as superfluous. Shearer as the long-suffering, misunderstood woman, Crawford as the scheming shop girl who marries up, Fontaine as the shy unworldly wife were all perfectly cast as types they played so well in this movie and others (e.g., “A Free Soul”, “Possessed”, “Rebecca” respectively).

    I generally consider original movies superior to their remakes. A notable exception is Huston’s remake of “The Maltese Falcon”. Scorcese did a good job remaking “The Age of Innocence” and “The Departed” but failed miserably with “Cape Fear”.

    And finally, because no comment about “The Women” seems complete without it: “Jungle Red!”

  86. @Steve Sailer
    Hollywood used to make some coin off movies about pretty girls causing trouble. Women like those kind of movies. I hear "Gone With the Wind" did some pretty good box office.

    How about Kathleen Turner in Body Heat? Yowsa!

  87. @JSM
    Clyde: On behalf of all decent White women, a sincere thank you to the male sex for refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, ranges and all the other labor saving devices that have freed us from drudgery. I'm just sorry all this convenience caused *being* a housewife to get you considered a lazy parasite who ought to go get a job. --Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.

    I’m just sorry all this convenience caused *being* a housewife to get you considered a lazy parasite who ought to go get a job. –Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.

    The real genius of women is being able to carry and give birth to healthy babies. Then have the patience and innate love to raise them especially during the younger years. Most men will implode if there was a role reversal and he was stuck at home dealing with three children under eight years old.

  88. @Clyde
    And that makes the media more female-oriented because advertisers want women.

    And they want women due to their unprecedented buying power. The general trend has been for guy type jobs to be eliminated and marginalized while female oriented jobs (especially in gov'ts at all levels) are always rising. More feminization of our society. Plus just look at the rise of the caring professions such as charities and NGOs. Also the medical sector. All female employment oriented. House of Cards had a bs charity run by Underwoods wife. .

    The old arrangement with more well paying manly type jobs was what was behind white families with 3-4-5-6 children. Jobs that gave you the juice to reproduce with confidence. Jobs where real world tangible items were produced such as steel and automobiles and they paid! BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    BTW when was the last time the male sex got thanked for designing and producing refrigerators, washers, dryers, microwave ovens, gas and electric stoves and all the other labor saving devices that freed woman from a life of household drudgery?

    Actually, a woman invented the dishwasher. But your point remains, and I, for one, definitely thank men and think the male sex is glorious, taken for granted BIG time, and is screwed over in our society in ways that’d have most women on the floor moaning for mercy if the negativity were directed our way.

  89. @Ozymandias
    "Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater."

    The legacy of the vaunted Rosie Riveter.

    “Because the babies, who DO need their mothers and no labor saving device in the world can replace her arms, got thrown out with the dirty dishwater.”

    The legacy of the vaunted Rosie Riveter.

    Now, Rosie didn’t have much of a choice, did she? Someone had to build those Liberators.

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