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As we all know from the works of financial expert Ta-Nehisi Coates, the reason black people aren’t very rich today is because the federal government didn’t encourage them to go deeper into debt during the Redlining Era of 1937 to 1967.

In contrast, the obscure and little-remembered events of the last 50+ years, such as the various federal government campaigns to get blacks deeper into debt, such as George W. Bush’s Increasing Minority Homeownership push, are wholly irrelevant because, well, because if the last half century were important you wouldn’t be constantly lectured about the Redlining Era, now would you?

As we’ve all been told over and over by discrimination-fighters like Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo, Washington Mutual CEO Kerry Killinger, and Golden West CEOs Herb and Marion Sandler, the problems of black people today are due to their not being deeper in debt. And they wouldn’t have any self-interested reason to mislead you.

Unfortunately, artificial intelligence is just too stupid to know these facts. Thus, from the New York Times:

Who’s to Blame When Algorithms Discriminate?

A proposed rule from HUD would make it harder to hold people accountable for subtler forms of discrimination.

Image: A protest march through an all-white Northwest Side neighborhood in Chicago in 1966. Some neighborhood residents threw objects at the demonstrators, who were protesting housing discrimination.

By Emily Badger, Aug. 20, 2019

… The Department of Housing and Urban Development published a proposed rule on Monday significantly raising the bar for housing discrimination claims that rely on such evidence.

Federal law prohibits not just outright discrimination, but also certain policies and decisions that have a “disparate impact” on groups protected by civil rights laws….

By raising the bar for such claims, the new rule would make it harder to hold banks accountable if their underwriting algorithms repeatedly deny mortgages to seemingly qualified black families, or if city zoning laws that make no mention of race still have the effect of racially segregating neighborhoods.

Housing discrimination today is largely a matter of such cases: ones where there is no racist actor, no paper trail of intent to discriminate, but where troubling disparities emerge between different classes of people.

The long-expected move by the Trump administration to tighten disparate impact claims is part of a larger legal battle that extends beyond housing. Industry groups and conservative legal advocates have long warned that any landlord, company or city official could be accused of discrimination simply if data shows racial patterns that exist for reasons beyond their control.

Seriously, the conventional progressive wisdom before 1968 was that what blacks really needed was more mortgage debt. Since 1968, that has remained the unquestioned conventional wisdom even as blacks have taken on lots of mortgage debt and with much less to show for it than other groups.

It’s almost as if real estate isn’t a very good investment for blacks because they tend to drive down the value of real estate they occupy, so they’d be better off investing in, say, stocks and bonds.

 
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  1. Blacks can already buy real estate at substantial discounts compared to what whites would have to pay for similar properties. They should figure out how to take advantage of that to get ahead financially.

  2. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Steve, have you seen/heard about this? Holy shit! Bombshell! Patrick Byrne, Overstock.com CEO stepped down today because he wanted to tell his story of being used by Deep State in setting up Presidential candidates. In a bizarre twist he was romantically involved with Maria Butina. People told him to keep his mouth shut about what he knows or D.C. Deep State will obliterate him.

    Patrick Byrne (Dartmouth College, B.A. Philosophy, Asian Studies; Cambridge University, M.A., Mathematical Logic; Stanford University, Ph.D Philosophy) is a credible guy and decades of business experience and a friend of Warren Buffett. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_M._Byrne

    This from tonight:

  3. Alternatively, blacks could buy real estate and then rent it to decent, respectable white folks, so it keeps its value.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
  4. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @advancedatheist

    Blacks can already buy real estate at substantial discounts compared to what whites would have to pay for similar properties. They should figure out how to take advantage of that to get ahead financially.

    How?

  5. We investin’ in Hennessy Rare,
    In bling, an’ in new Jordan Air.
    We investin’ in pot.
    So dat don’t leave a lot
    Fo’ jus’ one Berkshire Hathaway share.

    • Agree: Clyde
  6. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Guy isn’t making any sense.

  7. anon[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Byrne is a smart guy and seasoned business man. Just caught him on Fox. His story was incoherent. It might be something, or not. But he hasn’t told it yet. But it is so big he can’t articulate it.

    His memory about the sec/short sales thing is not what I remembered. He got no satisfaction as the perps walked. Maybe I’m wrong, but I did lose small money speculating on him. No one gave me money (or even promoted a class action). And the bad guys didn’t do time.

    He has a few days to sell his idea. Good luck to him.

    • Replies: @Lot
  8. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:

    What is “seemingly qualified”? Activists should bring forth a list of 10 seemingly qualified black families who were “repeatedly denied mortgage loans” by an algorithm. They can remain anonymous, but they have to open up to a panel of financial experts. I have a feeling that the mystery would be quickly solved. Debt to income ratio? Credit history? No cash for down payment? Collateral value of home to be purchased is dubious? Single mother, no father? Work history? Lots of credit cards? Home price higher than income would support? Incomplete application and lack of honesty on completing application?

    The NYT could do an investigation like this itself.

  9. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    They have tightened up and I can’t find anything Rudolf Montoyo. Not white, but is there more? Is he a citizen?

  10. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:

    The big banks are the rulers of this country. And debt is their bread & butter. NYT is just another whorehouse the bankers use and abuse.

    Banker power in the USA is such that the top left wing publications are pro wall street and pro debt. It’s only Bernie and Tulsi who actually might oppose banker perfidy on the left or right today. Warren is another sellout. Trump did a nice favor today for disabled vets but he is wall street owned.

    We used to have Glass-Steagall and usury law (19% interest rate cap) in America to protect us from these predators. Very little chatter on the left about restoring the old controls on the bankers!

    Hardly a peep.

  11. …the federal government didn’t encourage them to go deeper into debt during the Redlining Era of 1937 to 1967.

    The saying is, ya gotta spend money to make money.

    It’s almost as if real estate isn’t a very good investment for blacks because they tend to drive down the value of real estate they occupy, so they’d be better off investing in, say, stocks and bonds.

    It works this way with African telephony. They leapfrogged to cellular service, which leaves the technical challenges to someone else. Somewhere else.

    Landlines, like their wives, demand too much maintenance.

  12. @Anonymous

    In a bizarre twist he was romantically involved with Maria Butina.

    LOL. That guy’s been getting in jams with femmes fatales since his days with Chicago.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  13. Kronos says:
    @advancedatheist

    I think that’s called extortion.

    “Hey that’s a nice ass neighborhood you have here, it’ll be a damn shame if something BAD happened to it. You hear wat I’m sayin homie?”

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  14. Boomer says:

    The PBS Program NEWSHOUR a couple of days ago had a segment about the Friday Gaza protests that have continued for over a year. On the Israel side of the fence at times they have deployed as many as 100 snipers. As they fire live ammo the casualties have been substantial. Over 7000 Palestinians have been shot mostly in the legs and many have been maimed which seems the intention and about 275 have been killed. The UN had an investigation and they claim most of the killed were unarmed. The UN maintains that the slaughter is a war crime.Of course, the Palestinians carry on like idiots but shooting unarmed people is another thing. This has been mostly ignored in the US. Our media has been obsessed with the separation of families at our border. Can you imagine if any migrants were shot at our border or if the Austrians shot a migrant for crashing their fence in 2015. Apparently, there has been a massive backlash at PBS for reporting this. If you think that we should be aware of developments with our “greatest friend in the ME” then call your local PBS station and tell them we’re smart enough to handle the news and thank them.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Jesse
    , @Jesse
    , @Rashomoan
  15. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    He needs to buy a suit and wear it if he wants to be taken seriously. He looks like a homeless guy who’s been rolled by another homeless guy.

    Is this the same guy?

  16. @Anonymous

    By living in majority black areas, of course.

  17. Shermy says:

    As a landlord who rents to blacks, the qualifying rule of thumb for expectations for average black folks is, “could a sixteen year old cope with this,” and I think dealing with a mortgage and managing a home without a lot of guidance would follow under the same rule.

    Could an intelligent, industrious sixteen year old deal with managing a home, and finances? Certainly a decent number actually could, but most couldn’t. Whether it’s because of their collective IQ, or their retarded culture they love so much (why, in 2019, do so many black folks still speak as if they just stepped off a cotton field? What’s that all about?), they don’t have what it takes to own and run a home, and manage the mortgage, which really is akin to running a small business.

    Black folks can bullshit their way through an affirmative action derived college education, but they can’t bullshit their way past not tending to a hot water tank with a leaky gas valve, or termites, or roof rot, or mold, as well as a number of other things that, not seen to immediately, can turn home ownership into a nightmare.

    I’ve always said home ownership ain’t for everybody. Too many people are much better off renting. Particularly American black folks, by my experience.

    • Agree: AceDeuce, bruce county
    • Replies: @Lugash
  18. In an unrelated story, VDARE has hit the big time and today’s magic word is “Kritarch” which you’d better not say aloud if you know what’s good for you.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7385687/Justice-Dept-sent-anti-Semitic-post-immigration-judges.html

    So far this evening, VDARE.com is still up. Anyone want to give odds on tomorrow?

    PS: “The National Association of Immigration Judges”–why does this ass’n exist?

    The Justice Department held a summit last month focused on how to combat anti-Semitism

    • Replies: @SFG
  19. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @advancedatheist

    That’s why the Orthodox Jewish real estate folks often move a ton of blacks into a neighborhood as soon as possible, so values decrease, then they buy up the buildings cheap, tear them down (which forces the blacks out), and build new ones for yuppies. This is how much of Brooklyn got gentrified in the last 30 years.

    • Replies: @Jimi
    , @Jack D
  20. @Anon

    Your points are all good and germane, but hell will freeze over long before the NYT acknowledges, much less investigates them. The funny thing is that both the NYT and WP have indeed run stories featuring couples and families such as you describe, and even their cherry-picked examples have been ridiculously easy to shoot down, on just the grounds you supplied. And with just the information the journalists provide within their own stories.

    Many of us here (myself included) are quick to criticize Trump for not doing much, but this story describes something important that his administration does appear to be doing. Disparate-impact doctrine, as currently applied, is incredibly pernicious because it’s a simple matter to demonstrate D-I for just about any policy or law, including laws against running red lights and laws against rape and murder.

    Hence it’s only when the Good and Great don’t like a law or policy that D-I is trundled out, and it can be used as a cudgel against anything. That’s dangerous power. It has to be stopped. But they won’t give up this weapon without a fight, and the fight will be dirty.

    The NYT is essentially lying about this issue, which surprises approximately no one.

    • Replies: @SFG
  21. Really surprised that the cabal of Jewish corporate raiders from the 80’s, or a speculator like Soros, never partnered together with blacks and illegals to short various REIT’s. I mean, if they’re going to move into a neighborhood (or country) and nuke property values, at least someone should make money off of it.

    Or maybe insurance companies could offer “there goes the neighborhood” insurance? Seems as likely as a fire or earthquake.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @guest
  22. @Anonymous

    Blacks can already buy real estate at substantial discounts compared to what whites would have to pay for similar properties. They should figure out how to take advantage of that to get ahead financially.

    How?

    Buy in a black neighbourhood, like in Detroit. You can get a decent-sized property there for $10k. A similar house a white person could buy, without assuming far greater risk by looking at the same neighbourhood, runs at least half a million.

  23. @Anon

    Counter-Narrative Facts Need Not Apply.

  24. @Anonymous

    In a bizarre twist he was romantically involved with Maria Butina….

    Ironically making him the butt of the joke. She’s not ugly, but a CEO of a company that size could have had his pick of smoking hotties in Moscow.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  25. El Dato says:

    While on the topic of robots: Manhattan Elevator KILLS YUPPIE in “1408” style incident.

    Man CRUSHED by elevator in nightmarish incident in luxury Manhattan high-rise

    From StreetEasy: “Manhattan Promenade is a brand-new 23-story luxury rental apartment building in the heart of Manhattan in the Gramercy area, 344 3rd Avenue” (also just 500m from the Museum of Sex)

    W. had moved to New York from Milwaukee, Wisconsin several years ago, and had complained to his parents about the elevators in the building where a one-bedroom apartment rents for about $3,600 a month.

    Woah there goes my paycheck.

    Last been to NY just before the Forever War. I want to go back (in time).

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  26. Coons supeya to white folks in riddem;
    In dancin’ we always outdid ’em.
    Now dose on de ofay side
    Got riddem on dey side;
    Some new kine–it called “algo-riddem”.

  27. Tiny Duck says:

    The police t is that white racism is what drives down real estate values. whites move away taking their money which was gotten through a legacy of slavery and discrimination

    The truth is that Blacks are better neighbors

    Consider a Black Male will defend you from a shooter

    A white male will BE the shooter

    Taylor Swift has a Black lover

    Read the 1619 project

  28. El Dato says:
    @Milken's Toupée

    How do you know they didn’t?

    Meanwhile OT

    Additional entries in the Newspeak Dictionary will save us from pressing problems of mounting unustainability. San Francisco, take it away:

    From ‘felon’ to ‘justice-involved person’: San Francisco fights crime with PC language

    The new “person-first” language guidelines were recently introduced by the city’s Board of Supervisors, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. From now on, a convicted felon released from jail will be called a “justice-involved person” or a “returning resident.” A juvenile delinquent will now be delicately referred to as a “young person impacted by the juvenile justice system.” A drug addict will be called “a person with a history of substance use,” while someone out on parole will be called a “person under supervision.”

    Although set out in a non-binding resolution [ha ha!], the city’s district attorney supports the new language, and Mayor London Breed has promised to work with the board on the issues.

  29. El Dato says:
    @The Alarmist

    Gold Diggers can be found anywhere where socialite troughs have been set up.

  30. Arclight says:

    Nice how the word “seemingly” is placed just before “qualified” in the snippet. It’s almost as though the writer knows that what appears to be unjustified discrimination might have a solid basis.

    I can recall reading that even with comparable credit scores and income, black borrowers are more likely to default than white ones. Having some experience with rentals, I can say it is quite common to get an application from a black prospective tenant with decent income but only a few hundred bucks in the bank. Other applicants in the same income bracket usually have more savings.

  31. ” . . . so they’d be better off investing in, say, stocks and bonds.”

    Why gamble at the Wall Street Casino? Better yields yet are to had in cartons of stolen/smuggled Newports to be sold as “loosies” on the sidewalks of NYC.

  32. @Anonymous

    That’s because the “left” which is now indistinguishable from the “mainstream” isn’t concerned with anything like economic justice. They’re only concerned (nay, obsessed) with race. Which, ironically they also claim doesn’t exist.

    Their chief goal is the dispossession, disenfranchisement, and eventual enslaving of the white minority in this land and in every other land where it was once a majority.

    They’ve learned well from their “cultural” leaders. The Long March is paying off in spades.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  33. @Anonymous

    I’ll make a peep —
    Bring BACK the old controls!
    Bring back controls on usury — with a lower cap!
    Bring back the split between investment & commercial banking (why the hell should the tax payer be on the hook for bad gambles by investment banks)
    Ban or severely regulate derivatives — a proper economy does not encourage pure gambling.
    Break up the the TBTF banks & other monopolies– it was done to Standard Oil, it can be done again.
    And on & on.

  34. @Anonymous

    I’ll make a peep —
    Bring BACK the old controls!
    Bring back controls on usury — with a lower cap!
    Bring back the split between investment & commercial banking (why the hell should the tax payer be on the hook for bad gambles by investment banks)
    Ban or severely regulate derivatives — a proper economy does not encourage pure gambling.
    Break up the the TBTF banks & other monopolies– it was done to Standard Oil, it can be done again.
    And on & on.

  35. theMann says:

    There is a simple, if moderately expensive, way to end all claim of Racism having anything to do with lack of success on the part of Persons of the Negroid Persuasion. (Hereafter, PNP’s.)

    Just give every PNP in the country a million or so, and see where they are 1, 2, and 5 years down the road. Control group it against, well, anybody else. Racism, case closed.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  36. peterike says:

    HUD should be shut down. $44 billion a year, mostly targeted at making life miserable for white people.

    • Agree: SimpleSong
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  37. @advancedatheist

    Very funny. But as we both understand, the “talented tenth”, the ones with a low enough time preference and high enough IQ to engage in real estate investment, don’t want to live among their fellows, any more than the rest of us do.

  38. El Dato says:

    Ann Nelson obit 🙁

    Ann Nelson Took On the Biggest Problems in Physics: The theoretical particle physicist Ann Nelson, who died on August 4 at age 61, was a font of brilliant ideas and a champion of ending discrimination in the field.

    Obit written by a “black femme” (shouldn’t that be “femme noire”? Am I old-fashioned?)

    There is photo of “Ann Nelson and David Kaplan at their graduation from Stanford University in 1980. They wore colored ribbons to protest Stanford investments in apartheid South Africa.”

    Better times, lesser problems.

    First time I meet a transitively verbed form of “minority” (which somehow seems to be an affront to basic causal thinking):

    Particle physics, even compared to the rest of physics, is a notoriously homogeneous discipline, full of white men. In the midst of all this homogeneity, Ann managed to be wildly successful. Sure, she was brilliant, but it is not enough to be brilliant. Ann was also lucky enough to be someone who was not enormously distracted by the kinds of things that often turn into insurmountable barriers for women and other minoritized — historically excluded — people in physics. Powerfully, Ann did not expect others to be like her in this respect but rather felt that the physics community should eliminate the barriers. Her University of Washington colleague Sarah Tuttle reminded me that in 2019 the idea of focusing on eliminating barriers rather than “fixing” presumably deficient minorities remains a revolutionary standpoint.

    I don’t like these articles. People should do better than moan aimlessly about the the repressed coloreds who furthermore apparently embrace this. Chinese (who are not colored) are barging in like Brainiac emerging from hyperspace … not sure they would like being called “minoritized”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @SFG
  39. Unit472 says:

    Black people are not real estate developers so their neighborhoods were almost exclusively former white neighborhoods. While some blacks do their best to keep their homes attractive many do not. Derogatory terms like porch monkey and yard ape were coined to describe the problem. While whites tend to socialize in their backyards blacks do it in their front.

  40. The evidence suggests that banks lend too much money to African-Americans , because they default on their loans at twice the rate of white people.

  41. peterike says:
    @Anonymous

    In a bizarre twist he was romantically involved with Maria Butina.

    Butina was being used as a way to spy on Trump. Byrne was used by the (utterly corrupt) Obama FBI to “handle” Butina and get her into the Trump campaign. Once there, as a “foreign national” she would open up the gates to provide “legal” cover for spying on Trump, which of course went on across multiple avenues. One of Byrne’s FBI “handlers” was the infamous Peter Strozk, he of the weird creepy eyes and the well known love affair with Lisa Page.

    And Overstock was threatened by a massive SEC fine, under the purview of Melissa Hodgman, Assoc. Director of the SEC Enforcement Division, who happens to be married to…. Peter Strzok! You can’t make this stuff up.

    The level of corruption across FBI, CIA, SEC, DOJ, etc. (and our State News Media) is so enormous that low-information voters couldn’t even comprehend it, were the Fake News media ever inclined to start reporting truthfully on it.

    Fascinating details here:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/23/details-behind-patrick-byrne-allegations-of-fbi-political-espionage/

    • Replies: @anon
  42. @Anonymous

    I agree with most of what you say, but I haven’t seen how Warren is a sellout.
    She was the one who was the driving force behind the Consumer Financial Protection Board which was blocked at every turn by the GOP and the banks.

    Amazing that Obama let that one through. Obama bailed out the banks without forcing them into an Iceland style accounting, and also chose Biden as his VP.

    • Agree: Jesse
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @peterike
  43. @The Alarmist

    Buy in a black neighborhood, like in Detroit. You can get a decent-sized property there for $10k. A similar house a white person could buy, without assuming far greater risk by looking at the same neighbourhood, runs at least half a million.

    But is this really true? On Zillow, there are some properties available for $10,000 or less in Detroit, but they are pretty much derelict and in need of extensive improvements, such as installing glass panes in the windows.

    I did find one family home available for $1500, but it was built in 1900, and therefore likely to be lacking in some of the amenities in more modern homes.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3435-Ruskin-St-Detroit-MI-48216/88396135_zpid/

    https://photos.zillowstatic.com/cc_ft_1536/ISvgsplb6k3jru0000000000.webp

    I could not find any comparable homes in the $500,000 range.

    In any case, what is to stop white investors from buying those $10.000 properties and renting them to illegal immigrants?

    Having said that, some of the properties I lived in as a student in Liverpool, England around 1969 onwards were comparable to the distressed Detroit properties. One building I lived in had a large crack running down the exterior wall as a result of a German bomb exploding and destroying the next door house in 1940. The bombs were possible aimed at the nearby railroad tracks. The site of the house next door was still a pile of rubble.

    No place I lived in during those years had central heating or a shower.

    So it is quite conceivable that places that look uninhabitable to blue American eyes might be considered desirable residences by those who had recently evacuated a home-made corrugated metal shack with dirt floors in El Salvador.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Blitz

    • Disagree: Kylie
  44. @Richard of Melbourne

    Or also they could buy real estate and then be law abiding people and teach their sons to be the same, and keep their properties well-kept and don’t leave trash lying around or graffiti. That would help build real estate wealth too.

  45. Jack D says:
    @Boomer

    How is this news? At least mark it “OT”.

    The Palestinian goal is to have a mob break thru the fence and then kidnap an Israeli soldier or shoot up a kindergarten or something. Armed Hamas terrorists are mixed into the mob and one a breakthru occurs they will mingle with the mob and take action. Israels always bring their boys home, even if they have to trade 1,000 terrorists for one Israeli boy – Hamas knows this and schemes every day to try to capture an Israeli.

    Their previous plan, which was to dig dozens of invasion tunnels under the border at great expense, has failed because the Israelis have figured out how to find them. The Israelis have made it clear that any invaders will be shot if they try to invade above or below ground but Hamas keeps sending cannon fodder because it’s great propaganda for fools like you and because they are total failures at conventional warfare.

    I only wish that our government had the courage to enforce our border. If a country doesn’t have borders then it’s not really a country.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, Corn
    • Replies: @Anon
  46. @Anonymous

    Patrick Byrne is a credible guy and decades of business experience and a friend of Warren Buffett.

    So why is he appearing on TV and talking complete gibberish? He sounds like he is having a psychotic mental breakdown.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    , @J.Ross
  47. Anon[724] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    “they are total failures at conventional warfare” Anyone who gets annual subsidies worth 3 billion dollars for American weapons should be “not a failure” at conventional warfare. Palestinians would be your equals, if they would get that sort of money.

    Not your betters – there is no “better” in places where cousins breed freely.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jack D
  48. @Paleo Liberal

    Amazing that Obama let that one through. Obama bailed out the banks without forcing them into an Iceland style accounting, and also chose Biden as his VP.

    Obama is a complete and total whore for the money-grubbing banker bastards who stole everything in sight.

    Obama’s Attorney General, Eric Holder, did everything he could to make sure that regular people got wiped out and the plutocrat bankers got bailed out.

    Trump is a complete and total whore for the Finance — Insurance — Real Estate rip-off artists. Trump is also a whore for the globalizers and plutocrats and oligarchs and transnationalists and every other type of sovereignty-sapping, money-grubbing sonofabitch.

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  49. TWS says:
    @advancedatheist

    If they had any desire whatsoever, they could get farm loans easily. Land and a better place to live. If course, they would be a minority nearly everywhere they were in farm country except maybe the deep South.

  50. @Jonathan Mason

    My chateau in France is comparable to Barack’s new digs on Martha’s Vineyard, but it only cost me a small fraction of what he is paying.

    OK, I admit mine needs a little TLC, only comes with 7 hectares of land (his has 12), and I’m a long drive from the nearest beach, but it looks far better than your student accomodation. BTW, I made good money in UK student accomodations … It’s part of how I could buy a chateau.

    Note to self: Look into becoming slumlord to illegals in the US … I’ve been too busy buying up trailer parks and jacking up the rent, and didn’t think of this underserved market.

    I’ve seen $10k Detroit-quality houses list in Palo Alto for millions… must be the magic dirt.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/this-silicon-valley-teardown-just-sold-for-2-6-million.html

    • Replies: @Kronos
  51. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It’s true that the house you get in the ghetto for $10,000 is going to be a shell ready for renovation and not really a habitable property. But in a white area, a comparable shell might be $100,000 or more.

  52. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    I think Journ-o-List may have been restarted by Ezra Klein, because I’ve noticed a lot of simulataneous articles on the same theme about Trump, then a week or two later, another batch.

    Case in point is the revival of the Trump is clinically mental in some way trope. James Fallows at The Atlantic is a case in point. Fallows is the guy who wrote about 150 time capsule posts documenting Trump in a William L. Shire I-was-there Rise and Fall of the Third Reich manner, all of which read as silly today.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2019/08/if-trump-were-airline-pilot/596575/

    The one thing I avoided in that Time Capsule series was “medicalizing” Trump’s personality and behavior. That is, moving from description of his behavior to speculation about its cause…. But now we’ve had something we didn’t see so clearly during the campaign. These are episodes of what would be called outright lunacy, if they occurred in any other setting: An actually consequential rift with a small but important NATO ally, arising from the idea that the U.S. would “buy Greenland.”

    I kind of ignored the Greenland thing. It sounded unlikely but spectacularly creative and worth a shot in the dark. Considering it was a leak and not a presidential announcement, it was completely O.K. with me that the president was thinking out of the box. It was a little more out of the box than “Why does NATO exist?”, but whatever.

    [MORE]

    But Fallows provoked me to think a little more about Greenland. I knew that all those Scandinavian and Nordic countries are really tiny, population-wise. What is the population of Greenland? Denmark?

    Greenland: 55,000
    Denmark: 5.8 million

    What is the economy of Denmark like?

    GDP: US $300 billion

    How the heck would you price Greenland? It’s basically real estate, but they are not making it anymore, in such large chunks. It’s value is mainly in the future and strategic, not current.

    How much money could you offer? Bernie Sanders just proposed a $15 trillion Green New Deal.

    Let’s say we offer Denmark and the residents of Greenland $10 trillion. That would be 30 years of national output. Denmark would have a huge financial safety net.

    A deal might include:

    — Separate plebicites in Denmark and in Greenland. If Greenland wants out, but Denmark doesn’t want to sell, then some sort of second vote in Denmark. We’d have to convince/bribe 30,000 Greenlanders. How hard could that be? Then the pressure is on Denmark to allow self-determination. Are the Danish Nazis? (But the EU would raise its ugly head.)

    — Allowance for dual citizenship, which the U.S. already (unfortunately) allows, for Greenlanders resident on the day Trump’s plan leaked, or their immediate family members. If you like your Danishness, you can keep your Danishness.

    — A big annual payout for Greenlanders, sort of a mega Alaska Permanent Fund, for X years.

    — A one-time or periodic payment of the rest of the $10 trillion to Denmark.

    — Environmental pledges, national parks, etc., along with city development and mining.

    — The U.S. Coast Guard to keep out E.U. Arab and African migrants.

    — Puerto Rico-like “you can move to the U.S.” status. (Maybe balanced with a pledge to keep Puerto Ricans out of Greenland?) If Greenland were divided up into a few provinces like Canada does with its northern territories, then they would be filled with rugged Alaskan types, who might vote Republican if statehood were granted evenually to the provinces.

    “It’s not for sale.” That’s what you get from a female prime minister. Any male would have had the experience of asking out a girl who he knew already had a boyfriend.

    Yes, buying Greenland is a really out-there idea, but it’s not lunacy. Trump is really creative, but he can’t execute. If the plan had details and meat on it like the Scotland independence Blueprint, you’d have seen a few other countries scramble to put up counter offers, I bet.

    • Replies: @peterike
  53. Jimi says:
    @R.G. Camara

    The opposite. They buy a building with black tenants for cheap and push the tenants out.

    Then they rent to white tenants and let them know that they can live in a diverse, gentrifying neighborhood that’s close to downtown for work. But also get a safe building filled with other young white suburbanites like themselves.

  54. Jimi says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    So it is quite conceivable that places that look uninhabitable to blue American eyes might be considered desirable residences by those who had recently evacuated a home-made corrugated metal shack with dirt floors in El Salvador.

    This is the idea behind place-specific green-cards for immigrants. Our declining ghettos is actually a step up for third world immigrants!

  55. The Cylon are not racist. We have all humans. So Say We All!

  56. @The Alarmist

    Yes but… they don’t want live around them either… this is the story of the “refugee crisis” played out locally

  57. JR Ewing says:
    @Anon

    The NYT could do an investigation like this itself.

    What? And ruin the narrative? The America-is-Racist agenda isn’t going to push itself, you know.

  58. Lugash says:
    @Shermy

    I’ve always said home ownership ain’t for everybody. Too many people are much better off renting. Particularly American black folks, by my experience.

    Homeowning isn’t the same smart financial decision that it was in the past for whites as well. In the 50-80s people were much more job secure and less likely to divorce. Both of those are killers on home ownership.

    • Replies: @Kylie
  59. Lugash says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Drugs? He took leave to treat a Hep C infection, which is odd. IIRC the preferred treatment for it doesn’t take time or have serious side effects. Maybe rehab?

    • Replies: @Lot
  60. Jesse says:
    @Boomer

    Why should anyone care? Seriously, why? You don’t like Israel butting into American matters? Fine. Great. But return the courtesy, or explain the monomania with The Juice. I’ve yet to see alt right types get as het up about, say, the Uighurs.

    • Troll: Anonymousse
  61. Jesse says:
    @Boomer

    On a practical note, you can’t use human shields and then whine that people get shot.

    Alt right types are perfectly capable of understanding how dangerous unarmed people can be, especially in large numbers, when it comes to American blacks. They go full BLM when it comes to unarmed Arabs halfway across the world (and what happened to not interfering in other countries’ business?)

    • Replies: @Jesse
  62. Jesse says:
    @Jesse

    And don’t give me the “but they stole their land!” bullshit. Ever one of those arguments, bar none, can be – and are – used against White America for “stealing” from the Native Americans. At some point you have to accept that you came up against a bigger, badder warrior culture and get on with your lives.

    Somehow, everyone here realizes that we don’t owe the “First Nations” jack. Try some intellectual consistency.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. pyrrhus says:

    It’s almost as if real estate isn’t a very good investment for blacks because they tend to drive down the value of real estate they occupy, so they’d be better off investing in, say, stocks and bonds.

    The history of the last 50 years…

  64. @Anonymous

    LOL, Mr. Anonymous[390]

    How? Hurr durr. Derp.

  65. carol says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    That’s some substantial deferred maintenance there. And liability.

  66. Paul says:

    My understanding is that the evidence for home ownership (as opposed to renting) as a means of building a person’s wealth (when examining the opportunity cost) is pretty thin.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  67. Who’s to Blame When Algorithms Discriminate?

    Discriminating algorithms are a feature, not a bug.

    Remember when “discriminating” had a positive connotation, a la “discriminating tastes”?

  68. “Stocks and bonds”

    I see what you did there…

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
  69. fnn says:
    @Jesse

    But the same people (like the ADL) who support IDF snipers killing dozens of unarmed protestors say a traffic accident in Charlottesville where one member of a mob of violent leftist lunatics was killed was one of the great crimes of the century. And it’s not like there aren’t many non-lethal ways of containing mobs. Like this one developed by the Israelis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_(weapon)

    “Skunk” is a malodorant, non-lethal weapon used for crowd control by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and marketed to militaries and law enforcement around the world. It was developed and is manufactured by Odortec, with two supporting companies, Man and Beit-Alfa Technologies.[1] The liquid’s strong odor is marketed as an improvement over other crowd control weapons (CCWs) such as rubber bullets and tear gas used by the IDF against Palestinian protestors. The IDF is criticized for its tactics during deployment, including common use against people, businesses, and neighborhoods not involved in protests as a form of collective punishment.

  70. istevefan says:
    @Jesse

    I’ve yet to see alt right types get as het up about, say, the Uighurs.

    Can you come up with a closer analogy than, say, the Uighurs?

    • Replies: @Lot
  71. Lurker says:
    @Jesse

    Uigher control of western media is a pressing matter that doesn’t get enough attention imho.

    • Replies: @Jesse
  72. @Jesse

    “I’ve yet to see alt right types get as het up about, say, the Uighurs.”

    The pronunciation is too close to “wiggers.”

  73. The new American economic system is farming interest payments. Lend fake money out and collect real money back. Actual repayment doesn’t matter, its actually not even wanted.

  74. @Paul

    My understanding is that the evidence for home ownership (as opposed to renting) as a means of building a person’s wealth (when examining the opportunity cost) is pretty thin.

    In a time when the cost of buying a home is not escalating and giving the homeowner a capital gain, the benefits may be less obvious, but consider the following factors:

    1. When buying via mortgage vs renting at the same price point, you usually get a much nicer place to live for the same price and a better type of neighbor.

    2. When the mortgage is eventually paid off, household outgoings drop dramatically allowing the family to provide financial assistance to the next generation, or to renovate or improve the home, take fancy vacations, etc.

    3. The old person who is no longer working can be cared for in their own home for longer. If they have to go into a Medicaid nursing home, then the home has to be sold and all but $2500 is taken by the government.

    4. In the event of the death of the parents, the members of the next generation who inherit the home will be at a definite advantage relative to their peers in terms of not having to pay rent. Even if the home is deteriorating at this point, selling it can provide enough for the down payment on a better place.

    5. In times of inflation, the home buyer benefits massively as the mortgage payments become an increasingly nominal burden over the years.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  75. Can you come up with a closer analogy than, say, the Uighurs?

    Uighurs uobble but they don’t fall down.

  76. @Jonathan Mason

    The pilots who did that, and their superiors who ordered it, were never held to account for their war crimes, were they? Has this omission ever been looked into?

    Dropping explosives from the air into residential zones packed with defenseless civilians. No civilized nation would do that. Despicable.

  77. Anonymous[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jesse

    Somehow, everyone here realizes that we don’t owe the “First Nations” jack. Try some intellectual consistency.

    We owe them full citizenship and civil rights in the nation we created. Israel owes its Gentiles the same and must make good on that.

  78. @Jonathan Mason

    That last point was very important during the 1970s.

    My parents bought a big, modern, fancy house in the south in 1968.
    By 1981 the summer AC bills were more than the mortgage payments.

  79. Lot says:
    @Lugash

    Hep C is almost always from sharing needles or anal. Like HIV but harder to transmit.

    • Replies: @SFG
  80. Jesse says:
    @Lurker

    Droll.

    *Chinese* control of the media, however, is a huge issue. Try focusing on that.

  81. Lot says:
    @istevefan

    How about the Turkish conquest and ethnic cleansing of Northern Cyprus?

    The true Jewspiracist I suppose will blame this on Nato and Turkish cryptojews.

  82. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The pilots serving Germany circa 1940 were mostly dead by 1945. Maybe 80% dead or crippled?

    The Russians killed plenty more right after the war.

  83. peterike says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Amazing that Obama let that one through. Obama bailed out the banks without forcing them into an Iceland style accounting, and also chose Biden as his VP.

    This is “amazing” to you? You surprise easily I guess.

  84. Anonymous[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    “they are total failures at conventional warfare” Anyone who gets annual subsidies worth 3 billion dollars for American weapons should be “not a failure” at conventional warfare.

    Isn’t the number 5 billion?

  85. peterike says:
    @Anon

    I think Journ-o-List may have been restarted by Ezra Klein,

    You think? It never stopped. It never stopped for a split second. The media colludes daily with the Democratic party apparatus, and the Deep State apparatus, and a good portion of the Republican party apparatus, all to get Trump.

    Whatever his faults, Rush Limbaugh does great segments where he strings together clips of the media talking heads saying the exact same things. Coincidence!! I don’t know if Limbaugh still does this, I haven’t heard him in years.

  86. @Reg Cæsar

    The pilots who did that, and their superiors who ordered it, were never held to account for their war crimes, were they? Has this omission ever been looked into?

    Hermann Göring, who was the commander-in-chief of the Luftwaffe and a former pilot, was sentenced to death at the Nuremberg trials, after being found guilty on various counts, such as waging a war of aggression, crimes against humanity, etc. however he pulled an Epstein just before he could be executed and swallowed a cyanide capsule that had been smuggled to him concealed in a fountain pen.

    Presumably a blue ink pen.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  87. Hopscotch says:
    @advancedatheist

    On the subject of predatory lending, the Trump administration recently gutted regulations on payday lending. Payday lenders respond by celebrating at Trump resort.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-payday-lenders-spent-1-million-at-a-trump-resort-and-cashed-in

  88. ‘Emily Badger’ might just be the perfect SJW girl reporter name.

  89. Anon[253] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Interesting results in the latest CNN tracking poll. Overall support for the top candidates is dropping. In April, the No Opinion and None of the Candidates options added up to 10%. In August, this became 17%. The drop is coming out of the support for the top 9 candidates. That 17% of Democratic voters is either going to vote Independent party, stay home, or vote for Trump. The longer the campaign has been going on and the more Democratic voters study the field, the more the Democrats don’t like what they see of their own candidates. The two debates actually discouraged Democratic voters. If this softens further, the Democrats are going to see a rout in the general election.

    http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/08/19/rel9a.-.democrats.2020.pdf

  90. Kronos says:
    @Anon

    If they did, the majority of the families will be foreign-born African immigrants. Those of higher standing than DoS (Decedents of Slaves) blacks.

  91. Dmon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Rent to illegal immigrants to do what? Illegal immigrants go where the jobs are. Contrary to what the entire MSM may have told you, they don’t bring jobs with them.

  92. Kronos says:
    @The Alarmist

    It’s a real game online, please try it out.

  93. KL says:

    Emily Badger retweeted NYTMag author Ida Bae Wells:

    “it’s time to rewrite our narrative & tell the truth.”

    It is like a parody of the confused Underpants Gnomes episode of South Park:

    1) Choose the narrative.
    2) Rewrite stories to support that narrative and call it “truth”?
    3) Profit!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @bruce county
  94. Truth says:

    Yo Steve, Your Boy Camacho seems to have completely lost his marbles; he’s comparing himself to God and proclaiming himself “The King of Israel”. Then he said he was going to change the Constitution “by excutive order.”

    …Whut?!

  95. @Charles Pewitt

    Yes.

    But that doesn’t answer my question. How is Warren a sellout? This is a serious question. I am not trying to start an argument, at least not yet. Thing is, when the Wisconsin (open) primary rolls around, if it is a choice between Warren and Bankster Biden, is there any reason for my NOT to vote for Warren.

    A weird conspiracy theory has been hitting some left wing web sites. The idea is that Trump is deliberately trying to cause a recession so he and his rich friends can make a killing with short sales and then buy up assets at bargain basement prices.

  96. @Anon

    What is “seemingly qualified”?

    The NYT’s hypothesis is that objective loan qualification standards are biased because they require blacks to meet higher standards and thus to be even more credit-worthy than whites to get the same loan.

    This hypothesis is actually easy to test. Because if it were true, blacks who were required to meet a higher standard of credit-worthiness would necessarily have lower default rates than whites.

    So let’s see if that’s true. Here’s the conclusions of a study of foreclosures in 2010:

    •Among recent borrowers, we estimate that nearly 8% of both African Americans and Latinos have lost their homes to foreclosures, compared to 4.5% of whites.

    • The racial and ethnic disparities in these estimated foreclosure rates hold even after controlling for differences in income patterns between demographic groups. https://www.responsiblelending.org/mortgage-lending/research-analysis/foreclosures-by-race-and-ethnicity.pdf

    That settles that. Blacks, in fact, have an 80% higher default rate than whites. Whatever standards are being applied are thus objectively biased in favor of blacks and hispanics. They should be getting fewer loans, not more.

    Of course, once blacks default on their loans the NYT writes stories about how they were exploited and “targeted” by banks who gave them money that the banks should have known they would never get back.

    Aside from the racial angle, it’s Bizarro World thinking to treat defaulting bowers as victims of lenders — taking someone’s money and not giving it back is a form of wealth appropriation. The money blacks have expropriated from the banking system through defaults on non-recourse mortgage loans should be credited toward their reparations bill.

  97. Barnard says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    What is Trump going to use to buy up all these assets at bargain basement prices? He has always been cash poor and dependent on financing to complete his projects. Wouldn’t the value of his current real estate portfolio take a disproportionate hit in a recession? No surprise where this is coming from, the left is not known for rational evaluation of its enemies or a sound understanding of economics.

  98. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Anyone who gets annual subsidies worth 3 billion dollars for American weapons should be “not a failure” at conventional warfare.

    Oh really? The Afghan Army, the Iraqi Army, the Egyptian Army? In the past, the South Vietnamese Army? You don’t think it’s possible for the US to give foreign aid that gets completely pissed away in corruption and incompetence and with nothing left to show for it? The US has spent $2.5 TRILLION with a T $ in Iraq and Afghanistan and we don’t have shit to show for it. That’s the same amount that Israel will receive in 800 years at the current rate.

    No Arab army is going to be the equal of the IDF no matter how much foreign money it receives because an army is not just about $, it’s about human capital and Israel has better human capital. Israel’s (large) nuclear capability was developed completely independently of the US.

    The relationship between Israel and the US is a two way street. Perhaps the US needs Israel more than vice versa? The US gets a lot of military technology (especially in the cyber espionage and warfare field) and intelligence cooperation from Israel. Israel also has a lot of intelligence concerning the US and NATO which it does not currently share with the Russians or the Chinese. If the US and Israel were no longer allies, that might change. Putin or Xi might want to pick up a base on the Mediterranean coast and an ally with known intelligence capability. Israel certainly wants to maintain its alliance with the US but if anti-Semites like you were ever to prevail then it is not going to allow itself to be destroyed and will do whatever it has to do in order to survive.

    OTOH, I can see no reason why the US would ever want to ally with the odious and undemocratic Palestinians, especially not Hamas.

  99. Ibound1 says:

    Diverse Impact lawsuits – not just in lending – are a giant, horrific, tax on America. They can’t be stopped unless the law is changed, because life produces diverse impact upon groups, however defined. Trump may not be able to reduce taxes any further but he can restore billions to the economy and it’s so easy to do: get rid of the diverse impact lawsuit extortion racket.

  100. Kylie says:
    @Lugash

    “Homeowning isn’t the same smart financial decision that it was in the past for whites as well.”

    True. But I think when Shermy said home ownership isn’t for everyone, particularly American black folks, he was referring to the inability of many blacks to occupy a residence in a sanitary, non-chaotic fashion.

    Many of them are no more responsible than teens left alone in a house who decide to throw a party before their parents get home.

  101. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Having said that, some of the properties I lived in as a student in Liverpool, England around 1969 onwards were comparable to the distressed Detroit properties. One building I lived in had a large crack running down the exterior wall as a result of a German bomb exploding and destroying the next door house in 1940. The bombs were possible aimed at the nearby railroad tracks. The site of the house next door was still a pile of rubble.

    There were parts of E. Germany that remained derelict right up until the Wall fell, but I think in W. Germany pretty much all of the war damage had been repaired and cities rebuilt by 1969, almost 25 years after the end of the war (and Germany sustained even more damage and ostensibly LOST the war). Why was the German economy better able than the British to recover after the war? Why did the VW Beetle (built in the British occupation zone, BTW) become an export hit while the British motor industry languished, caught up in labor strife and the resulting inferior quality? Did Britain’s class system get in the way?

  102. J.Ross says:

    >make it harder to hold people accountable for subtler forms of discrimination
    Everything about this is mentally gymnastic. An algorithmic sorting is not human irrational bias and there is no responsibility to be held. How has this cultish fetish of the total elimination of the last possible shred of discrimination not already collapsed?

  103. J.Ross says:

    It was the bureaucracy getting in the way. This is the thesis of Mancur Olson. Same phenomenon in Japan: clear away the human mildew that is government busybodies and growth is robust, and it then tamps down as the old governmental habits re-establish themselves. Government’s proper contribution to civilization is a counterintuitive step back.

  104. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I am guessing that Reg is being ironic and is also referring to the Allied generals who ordered German civilian areas to be bombed (e.g. Dresden). I’m sure if the Germans had won, they would have put Bomber Harris on trial for war crimes, too. Here’s a pro-tip: If you are going to commit war crimes, make sure that your side wins.

    A lot of the damage to civilian areas in WWII was what we call today “collateral damage” – the technology to target bombs was not very good at the time and they often fell far off target. As you say, the bombs that hit the housing in Liverpool may have been aimed at the railroad yards or docks.

    The British strategy of night bombing made their bombers less vulnerable to German fighters but it also made it difficult to target anything other than a general vicinity. They liked incendiaries because then could light the entire city on fire and not have to worry about particular targets.

    The American secret weapon Norden bombsight was not as good as advertised in actual field conditions. It’s one thing to do a mock bombing run in the desert and it’s another to do it over a target when the flak is exploding all around you and the fighters are shooting at you. And once the Norden was engaged, you couldn’t take any evasive action. The fact that the Army kept reneging and increasing the # of required missions didn’t help either. Many bombardiers figured that it was better to dump their bombs a little bit early and get the hell out of Dodge than it was to die so that some colonel could get a promotion.

    The British did have the express aim of “dehousing” the German civilian population, believing that it would disrupt war production and reduce popular German support for the war. This may have backfired – after people’s housing was destroyed they sometimes lived at their workplace and had nothing better to do so they ended up working more than before. Having the British destroy your house also did not endear them to the German civilians.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  105. MEH 0910 says:

    OT:

    • Replies: @guest
  106. Jack D says:
    @El Dato

    Speaking of minoritized, note the author of the piece, who has graced iSteve before, the gracious and beautiful Chanda Prescod Weinstein, the living embodiment of intersectionality. She is said to be queer and “agender.” I do wonder what her agender is, but it’s not that hard to figure out. She is also said to be “black” and this is in reference to her alleged race or skin color, not her heart or soul.

    If Chanda didn’t exist, we would have to invent her. You might say that she is a “Chanda far di goyim”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  107. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    Amy Wax interviewed by Chotiner at the New Yorker.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/a-penn-law-professor-wants-to-make-america-white-again

    “When we first spoke, on the phone, Wax explained that she was wary of the media, which she claimed has sometimes misquoted her and has frequently taken her comments out of context.”

    “Therefore, she was going to record the formal interview. She also said that she planned to occasionally adopt the role of interrogator and ask me questions, such as why some countries were ‘shithole countries.’ During our conversation, which has been edited for length and clarity, Wax expounded on her beliefs that people of Western origin are more scrupulous, empirical, and orderly than people of non-Western origin, and that women are less intellectual than men. She described these views as the outcome of rigorous and realistic thinking, while offering evidence that ranged from two studies by a eugenicist to personal anecdotes, several of which concerned her conviction that white people litter less than people of color.”

    Writes Isaac Chotiner, in his introduction to his interview with Amy Wax, “A Penn Law Professor Wants to Make America White Again” (The New Yorker). Yikes. It sounds like she was right to be wary, but she did the interview. I haven’t read the transcript yet. I’ll update when I have.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @Anon
  108. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    The Russia hoax will only end once we have punished people associated with it and imposed regulation on intel mercs like Fusion GPS and Hackluyt, and if we do not do this, then, like Nick Kristof advocating war with the PRC, they’ll do it again.

    • Agree: El Dato
  109. anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike

    Byrne has about a day to put his story together.

    He also appears eager to seem non partisan, which forces him to throw in Hllary as a possible target. If it was just Trump, it is much shorter tale.

    Per the conservative tree house, if Byrne could get Buttina close to a campaign, they could spy with FISA warrant.

    But if Buttina was used in counter intelligence, why was she arrested and tried? They could have just sent her home.

    Everyone already knows that the Deep State was illegally monitoring Trump (and no one much cares), so without a clean, simple verifiable story, Byrne isn’t offering up much.

    Plus Byrne is financially conflicted because of SEC involvement. Its far from a deal killer, but unless he gets it together, he comes across as a nut job.

    My guess? 1/2 true. The other candidates? Not so much. Details are light so far. He is getting the nut job treatment already.

  110. Kronos says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    “A weird conspiracy theory has been hitting some left wing web sites. The idea is that Trump is deliberately trying to cause a recession so he and his rich friends can make a killing with short sales and then buy up assets at bargain basement prices.”

    You got any links? The thing is there’s been a decade long Bull Market already. (Something’s gotta give.) now the Stock Market and the Real Economy has been increasingly disconnected for a LONG time. You have plenty of zombie firms still making minimum payments on debt and not much else to show for it.

    As a rule, Presidents NEVER want to preside over a Recession during a election cycle. Historically, since founded in 1913 the Federal Reserve has been trash-talked, beaten, begged, and unsuccessfully/successfully intimidated by numerous US Presidencies to lower interest rates uptick the economy. (Nixon actually blackmailed Fed Reserve Chairman Burns to cutting rates for the 1972 election.) Apparently, that’s why so many people wanted big BIG man Paul Volcker after Burns.

    Trump is looking for political capital not bargain bin prices. If our leaky-ass economy tanks that’ll just bleed him politically and that’s the rosiest outcome. The REAL problem is that the real economy has been hollowed out to FEED the Stock Market casino.

    BTW I’ve only read the first volume. (I’m just lazy that way.)

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Jack Henson
  111. RacialRay says:

    I read recently that the average net worth of a single, black adult female in America today (presumably the overwhelming lot of them) is five dollars.

    No, that is NOT a typo. Just five bucks. Half the cost of a pack of cigarettes in the miserably misguided, liberal state that I reside in. Yet somehow, I’ve never once seen a black female out on the streets, begging. SOMEONE sure is taking care of LaWanda and her unruly brood.

  112. bomag says:
    @Jack D

    Why was the German economy better able than the British to recover after the war?

    It’s been said that Germany and Japan prospered beyond the victors; I suppose it’s partly from being able to cast off pre-war expectations more totally than the allies.

  113. J.Ross says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    When Obama appointees pretending to be intelligence officers claimed that Vladimir Putin personally committed non-illegal acts to affect an election but at the same time the election was not affected but at the same time we still need to investigate the non-illegal acts, did you ever call that gibberish? Do you think any fewer people will watch this because you called the guy a poopyhead? Is it possible that people who do not perceive any gibberish here are benefitting from better information than you are relying on?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  114. J.Ross says:
    @RacialRay

    That can’t be right, who the hell is lending them a fiver?

  115. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    I used to think the “robot” menace in this bit was a great stand-in for “racism”, now I know robots are the real racists:

  116. @Double Entendre

    My, my, what a discriminating eye you have there.

  117. El Dato says:
    @KL

    Yeah but it’s not funny because it’s MiniTrue in full action, even if it’s not state-subsidized and jewish Julia happens to #MeToo the Winston after it turns out he is actually a whitened black trans.

  118. @Hypnotoad666

    Yep. We’re evil if we lend money to black people, expecting them to repay, and we’re evil if we don’t.

  119. @Jack D

    Right. The USA needs Israel. Like a hole in the head. Where would we be without your endless supply of Jewish propaganda?

  120. J.Ross says:

    OT — Houston, Texas
    A completely innocent man and his dog and wife were murdered by massively corrupt and incompetant police officers in a nighttime no-knock raid on the wrong house.
    The man, past middle age and armed with a revolver, hit five officers, while they annihilated everyone in his home with presumably better weapons.
    The former officer responsible is a drug dealer and burdened the department with 14,000 complaints, violations, or major issues in his career. He is now going on trial and his picture can be seen at the link.
    But you don’t need to see the picture, do you?

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Former-HPD-officer-charged-with-murder-in-botched-14373874.php

    “We have not seen a case like this in Houston,” [DA Kim] Ogg said. “I have not seen a case like this in my 30-plus years of practicing law.”

  121. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    It’s no use trying to explain things to liberals. People who believe in conspiracy theories are that combination of paranoid and egotistical, and these traits are innate. Someone who latches onto one conspiracy theory after another about Trump is someone who wants to be told outlandish lies, because the lies feel good to their egos, and the truth hurts their egos. You can’t fix people like this.

  122. @Jack D

    “The relationship between Israel and the US is a two way street. Perhaps the US needs Israel more than vice versa?”

    Good lord! You’re laying it on a bit thick.

  123. FPD72 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Unless my sarcasm meter needs to be recalibrated, I think you are being both fatuous and making a point about the Allied bombing of German and Japanese population centers during WWII.

    Two points to remember: (1) don’t start wars, you never know the outcome, and (2) when nations are engaged in what they believe to be existential conflicts, the gloves come off and the rules go out the window.

    The United States should remember that before conducting any more foreign adventures. Gulf War 1 resulted in the WTC bombing in 1993 and 9/11, not to mention ship, military barracks, and embassy bombings. Who knows what the toll might be for our continuing involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, etc.? Blowback can be a bitch.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Logan
  124. @Anon

    20 years ago, when this perennial bullshit was being aired again, a bunch of studies were cited that showed that blacks were accepted for loans on criteria that resulted in whites being denied,
    The result, of course was that the default rate for blacks was higher than for whites.

    This was prima facie proof of racism.

  125. @Jack D

    No Arab army is going to be the equal of the IDF no matter how much foreign money it receives because an army is not just about $, it’s about human capital

    It’s not just about human capital. Israeli soldiers and soldiers in the West robotically obey their superiors. That hasn’t always been the case. Roman soldiers had a way of making themselves emperor. Alexander’s generals killed his kin after he died and made themselves rulers in place of his son. In the Arab world, the rulers can’t completely trust their soldiers. That means they can’t let them become too proficient, lest they decide to become rulers in their own right.

  126. Jack D says:
    @RacialRay

    Black income (not wealth) is something like 70% of white income. How much of that comes from transfer payments (or government employment which is only slightly removed from welfare) I can’t say. La Wanda is OK as long as the check keeps coming in. It’s just that if she misses even one check, the keeds ain’t getting fed. It’s literally hand to mouth.

    When the latest budget crisis was going on, they for some reason gave everyone two months worth of food stamps at once and then skipped the next month. No problem you say, just budget your usual monthly spending and it will be fine. Even La Wanda can divide by 2. Nothing doing. The local supermarkets put a bunch of staples on special so that people wouldn’t starve in month 2.

  127. guest says:

    Counter-image: black scofflaw throwing rock:

  128. Jack D says:
    @R.G. Camara

    That’s not it genius. This is like “wet streets cause rain” – completely backwards.

  129. guest says:
    @MEH 0910

    Is that the O.J. vibe he givin off wit dem gloves?

    Also, see what happens when you don’t compel an admission of guilt even if you let him off scott-free? The NYT gets to say merely accused and “charges dropped.”

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  130. guest says:
    @Milken's Toupée

    There’s an episode of Mad Men where an apparently mentally unwell insurance company executive wants an ad featuring the image of a Molotov cocktail. This was the day after MLK was assassinated, I think.

  131. @RacialRay

    I read recently that the average net worth of a single, black adult female in America today (presumably the overwhelming lot of them) is five dollars.

    That just means that they have mortgages, car loans, and credit card debts that exceed their savings and puts them at a minus net worth. The ones who do have a net worth largely have government pensions of greater value than their debts.

    (For some reason a person’s social security future income is never included in their net worth, so it may be a bit misleading.)

    Black women tend to be very vulnerable to the numerous American businesses that sell various items on the never-never (credit payments), but spend most of their money supporting elderly parents and their children. While Jewish families may have to bear the cost of a bar mitzvah and marrying their daughters, in many black families buying the first bail bond serves as a transition into adulthood.

  132. @Anonymous

    Buy a house cheap in a black neighborhood, then await gentrification. Prices will eventually go up and you can sell, or just enjoy living in a really nice neighborhood with an incredibly low mortgage payment.

    Even if gentrification never happens, a black person who has a decent job, has his act together, and is willing to put up with living in a high crime area, he can prosper from buying a home because he will save money on rent. He can then invest the rest and do very will over time. He’d have to put a little more into security, and avoid the temptation of living large, as it would make him a target. He’d have to keep his mouth shut about how well he is doing. But he can still enjoy the little things and would have peace of mind.

  133. Truth fan says:
    @Anonymous

    The prices in majority black neighborhoods are much less compared to white neighborhoods. The low cost of tragic dirt.

  134. @Kronos

    My personal theory is that tech is going to torpedo itself with the help of rating agencies, and you’ll see a 10000 point drop in the stock market that’ll cause a Boomer revolt.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @MarkinLA
  135. Kronos says:
    @El Dato

    I haven’t read that one.

  136. @Anon

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but I see far more right wing conspiracy theories than from the left. And every time I point one out, I get loads of people saying it’s not a conspiracy theory it’s REAL, and just because all the evidence points the other way, well, I heard this talking point on a right wing radio show so it must be true!

  137. J.Ross says:
    @Jesse

    I’ll remember this age regression behavior the next time Jews want me to — I mean the next time after that, the next — okay, after that one — hmm. Jews demand that you care about often fake or irrelevant matters so often that I’m not fast enough to do it.

  138. J.Ross says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Almost everything every leftist says is the loosest, sloppiest sort of conspiracy theory, because they have that in place of proper economics. I used to read political satire books by Michael Moore and Jim Hightower and they are absolutely full of sloppy conspiracy theory. Moore had an extensive one about OJ Simpson being innocent.

  139. @Jack D

    I’d be astonished if Israel’s nuclear capability was developed “completely independently of the U.S.” Rather I’d assume at minimum informal co operation, and more likely explicit transfers of information and expertise from certain US nuclear scientists to their Israeli colleagues.

  140. BenKenobi says:
    @Anon

    Sketch idea for that upcoming Ron Unz produced comedy web series:

    Interview With the )))Vampire(((

    Synopsis: reporter for the New Yorker interviews deplorable who offers the writer a chance to become like him and enjoy “everlasting White privelege”

  141. Alfa158 says:
    @theMann

    That works out to 45 trillion dollars. Not my idea of moderately expensive. That could only be done by immediately printing that much monopoly money thereby inflating the one million dollars down to peanuts.

  142. MEH 0910 says:
    @guest

    Is that the O.J. vibe he givin off wit dem gloves?

    Frog One vibe.

    The French Connection (3/5) Movie CLIP – Subway Getaway (1971) HD

  143. Peterike says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    “but I see far more right wing conspiracy theories than from the left. And every time I point one out, I get loads of people saying it’s not a conspiracy theory it’s REAL, and just because all the evidence points the other way,”

    That’s because left wing conspiracy theories are The Narrative and enforced by the entire media edifice. What is “structural racism” other than a conspiracy theory? What is “toxic masculinity” other than a conspiracy theory? What is “racist cops” other than a conspiracy theory? The “evidence” for all of these is non existent.

    And please name a few of these right wing conspiracy theories where the evidence points the other way.

  144. @Paleo Liberal

    A weird conspiracy theory has been hitting some left wing web sites. The idea is that Trump is deliberately trying to cause a recession

    It is a shame that people are thinking so poorly of Trump.

    Those who are familiar with the story of the Danish King Canute will remember that Canute set his throne by the sea shore and commanded the incoming tide to halt and not wet his feet and robes. Yet the waves continued to rise as usual per the tide tables and splashed over his feet and legs without respect to his royal person.

    Then the king leapt backwards, saying: ‘Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings, for there is none worthy of the name, but He whom heaven, earth, and sea obey by eternal laws.’

    Trump, like Canute, is trying to demonstrate to his courtiers the powerlessness of the Presidency to influence forces of nature, such as bulls and bears.

    By pretending to decree that all US companies should stop doing business with China, he is merely showing his wisdom, and pointing out that it is money, not Washington, that makes the world go round.

    Trump has said before that it is obvious why he is pursuing the current line on China, and that only fools do not understand. We are all fools if we do not understand that his real purpose is to educate us all on the impotence of the man we call President and the fact that it is easier to waive the rules than to rule the waves.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  145. fnn says:
    @J.Ross

    It’s a step forward that this guy has been charged with murder. Lon Horiuchi and the Waco murderers got off scot-free.

  146. > Israel’s (large) nuclear capability was developed completely independently of the US.

    Except for the stolen HEU, of course.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Jack D
  147. @J.Ross

    A completely innocent man and his dog and wife were murdered by massively corrupt and incompetant police officers in a nighttime no-knock raid on the wrong house.

    There is nothing anywhere that could serve as a justification for a no-knock warrant. If circumstances are exigent, no warrant is needed. If a warrant is needed, you knock on the door or, better yet, arrest the bastard or search the house WHEN HE’S NOT AT HOME.

  148. MBlanc46 says:
    @peterike

    HUD, Energy, Education, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor. Eliminate them and make the numerous employees get real jobs.

  149. @Paleo Liberal

    Being “real” has nothing to do with whether something is a conspiracy theory. What are these fake “right wing conspiracy theories” that you observe?

  150. @Jack D

    Why did the VW Beetle (built in the British occupation zone, BTW) become an export hit while the British motor industry languished, caught up in labor strife and the resulting inferior quality? Did Britain’s class system get in the way?

    Incompetence at the managerial and executive level, mostly. Britain produced some very fine and well engineered cars, such as the Jaguar, Bentley, Rover and Land Rover, and the Morris Minor and Mini, both designed by Sir Alex Issigonis.

    The Morris Minor should have been able to rival the VW, but was not as well marketed world wide. The cars were known for achieving huge mileages, like 1/2 million miles in some cases.

    Some in the motor industry blamed government interference, for example only allowing grants to build new factories in areas of high unemployment that also had work forces that were lacking in industry, good work habits, and the necessary skills.

    The Ford factories at Halewood (Liverpool) and Dagenham (near London) seemed to have a lot of strikes and industrial actions.

    With entry into the EU in 1972 European manufacturers in places like Germany and Italy started to make right-hand drive vehicles for the UK market that were successful in competing with British made cars.

    In 1969, when I first hitch-hiked in Europe, I had never before seen a Mercedes or a BMW.

    And then came the Japanese and with the first Toyotas and Datsuns (later called Nissan) people just marveled at how these cars just kept on going forever with minimum maintenance.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jack D
  151. Anonymous[755] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Why was the German economy better able than the British to recover after the war? Why did the VW Beetle (built in the British occupation zone, BTW) become an export hit while the British motor industry languished, caught up in labor strife and the resulting inferior quality? Did Britain’s class system get in the way?

    Intriguing questions. What is the answer?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  152. Anonymous[755] • Disclaimer says:
    @FPD72

    The United States should remember that before conducting any more foreign adventures. Gulf War 1 resulted in the WTC bombing in 1993 and 9/11, not to mention ship, military barracks, and embassy bombings. Who knows what the toll might be for our continuing involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, etc.? Blowback can be a bitch.

    The primary cause of the bombings of the WTC in 1993 and 2001 was American complicity in the Jewish invasion of Palestine.

    • Replies: @FPD72
  153. guest says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    >be in charge
    >get to decide what is and isn’t called “conspiracy theory”
    >never call the theories you propagate conspiracies
    >whammo! All conspiracy theories are from the Other Guys

  154. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The small British ‘marques’ had their loyal following but after “rationalisation” most Brit cars lost much of their charm, but kept and even increased their unreliability.

    Terrible Lucas electrics and poor rustprofing, combined with structures predisposed to trap road salt, were endemic.

    Some Brit vehicles tended to be reliable if properly maintained-the Morris Minor and Mini, Rover saloons, etc-but many were maintenance nightmares.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  155. El Dato says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Is “roboticism” (ability to cosplay as robot) a particularly western trait?

    Also

    https://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

    It is a truism of military life that an army fights as it trains, and so I draw on my many years of firsthand observation of Arabs in training to draw conclusions about the ways in which they go into combat. The following impressions derive from personal experience with Arab military establishments in the capacity of U.S. military attaché and security assistance officer, observer officer with the British-officer Trucial Oman Scouts (the security force in the emirates prior to the establishment of the United Arab Emirates), as well as some thirty year’s study of the Middle East.

    Along these lines, Kenneth Pollack concludes his exhaustive study of Arab military effectiveness by noting that “certain patterns of behavior fostered by the dominant Arab culture were the most important factors contributing to the limited military effectiveness of Arab armies and air forces from 1945 to 1991.”16 These attributes included over-centralization, discouraging initiative, lack of flexibility, manipulation of information, and the discouragement of leadership at the junior officer level.

    “Over-centralization, discouraging initiative, lack of flexibility, manipulation of information, and the discouragement of leadership at the junior level” are also standard features of really shitty companies.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  156. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Agender? Wasn’t she in Logan’s Run?

    Oh, that was Agutter.

    Never mind.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  157. El Dato says:
    @Oddsbodkins

    Yeah. Is NUMEC still a superfund site?

    And wandering-off scientists of course.

    I love history of technology. Here is part of a paper on kickstarting Israeli Academic Computer Science:

  158. Anonymous[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Bombing and shelling enemy cities in wartime wasn’t illegal, and still isn’t today. No nation with an air force will ever agree to making it illegal. If it was, the enemy would just put all of his bases, factories, storage depots, etc. in civilian areas and declare them off-limits to bombing, making your air power irrelevant.

    (I know the U.S. refused to bomb Hanoi for most of the Vietnam War but that was for ethical/political reasons not legal ones. Nixon, who did bomb the city, was often called a war criminal by his opponents but he wasn’t really, at least not for this.)

    • Agree: Logan
  159. @J.Ross

    Is it possible that people who do not perceive any gibberish here are benefitting from better information than you are relying on?

    I have no idea what Vladimir Putin did, but I am simply making an observation on this guy’s appearance on TV. Why would anyone appear on TV to talk about some kind of conspiracy over which he resigned his job so that he could talk about it, and then refuse to say what it was all about? That makes no sense. He undermines his own credibility.

    If you cannot perceive any gibberish, then try watching the recording again.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  160. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    It was good back when. But now…

    > Being threatened by 21 year old whitey who wants to terminate you.

    Ridiculous. Kill him, be on your way.

  161. @Anonymous

    Terrible Lucas electrics and poor rustprofing, combined with structures predisposed to trap road salt, were endemic.

    Definitely true, but the Ford and GM cars made in Britain had the same problems with rustproofing.

    In the UK salt is put on the roads in winter to counteract the dangerous effects of icy roads and protective “undercoating” was sold as an extra when it should have been standard and baked in at the time of manufacture.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  162. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Chotiner gets testy with her. I hope she in fact did tape the interview, but I doubt it. She’s seems like she’d have trouble figuring out how to do it.

    Chotiner’s MO is:

    1. That’s only anecdotal evidence, do you have any studies you can cite?

    2. Amy: Studies? You can’t get studies funded on this stuff, and no academic would risk it … but here are a few.

    3. Those studies are by known Nazis. They are Nazis because they associate with and cite Nazis, who are Nazis because they do the same, ad infinitum, and anyway, who would study this stuff? Only racists!

  163. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yes, in those days the auto business was not yet fully global and mostly people bought whatever was domestically produced in their own country. But when the US took to imports, they fell for the Beetle, even though the Minor was available and was, arguably, the better car. Beetles sold by the million in the US and a handful of Minors were imported – I don’t think I’ve ever seen one on the road. Overall, the Minor production of over a million was very respectable except that the Beetle sold TWENTY million. 20 million Beetles paid for a lot of rebuilt houses in postwar Germany.

    What is the explanation for why the “losers” won the post-war economic race? As crazy as it sounds, it’s good for the existing order to be overturned every once in a while as the incumbents tend to get old and set in their ways. Ideas that once were fresh get extended and extended further until they run out of steam or descend into absurdity. Reshuffling the deck gives everyone a fresh start so that the ideas with the most merit rather than the most vested interests behind them can rise to the top. In his younger days, William Morris was an automotive pioneer (Americans don’t know him but he was a sort of English Henry Ford) but by the time of the Minor he was an old man and a force for tradition rather than progress. His main contributions to the Minor were to dial back Issigonis’s designs – flat head upright 4 from before the war instead of a boxer, get rid of the fully independent suspension. Whereas Dr. Porsche was allowed to do a clean sheet design (by Hitler!) because the Nazis couldn’t get any existing manufacturer to build a people’s car for them.

    Or maybe Germans are just smarter and harder working?

  164. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Same in the US. Rustproofing is one of those “the devil is in the details” things – cavities that trap moisture, need for galvanizing, need for the metal to be treated properly BEFORE galvanizing, etc. There is no single fix – you have to chase down the vulnerabilities one by one. The car manufacturers have gotten better at this over the years but it took them a long time.

  165. Rashomoan says:
    @Boomer

    Perhaps the US and various European nations should loudly and prominently announce they are outsourcing border security and immigration policy to the IDF, of course requiring that they apply the same policies as at home…

  166. Jack D says:
    @Oddsbodkins

    The French sold Israel most of their uranium. It’s not clear whether the “missing” uranium in the US really went to Israel or whether it was just sloppy accounting for what was coating the inside of pipes, etc.

    People here seem to hold the US responsible for supporting Israel from day 1. This is simply not true. Of course American Jews supported Israel but NOT the US government. The old State Dept. Arabists were not big Israel fans. Maybe they were old fashioned anti-Semites, maybe they liked Arab oil better, maybe they didn’t like early Israel’s socialist politics. Whatever – Israel did not get a lot of assistance from the US before the ’73 war. At that point, the Soviets were backing Egypt and Syria so Cold War considerations overrode the Arabists.

  167. Logan says:
    @FPD72

    don’t start wars, you never know the outcome

    A maxim every leader should be required to contemplate daily.

    Reminds me of the Russian minister Plehve. “Before his death at the hands of an assassin, V.K. Plehve, the Russian Minister of the Interior, had been heard to say: “”What this country needs is a short victorious war to stem the tide of revolution.””

    The Russo-Japanese war the Russians intentionally started was indeed quite short but not at all victorious, for them. Led directly to the 1905 Revolution and indirectly to the rise of Bolshevism.

  168. @KL

    I have decided in the future it would be wise not to have my morning coffee whilst reading this page and its contents as it has become to common to spit it out because of the stupidity. Like this statement from the mentioned story 1619 Project. (NYT)

    “America wasn’t a Democracy until Black Americans made it one”

  169. @J.Ross

    The kind of law that will exist in less than 50 years. The law of Africa.

  170. SFG says:
    @Mr McKenna

    I read that.

    You can find the original article–he uses ‘Lugenpresse’, which is much more Nazi-adjacent, but nobody notices.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  171. SFG says:
    @Mr McKenna

    They’ve got more on the ball than most of the MSM, so if you read them in reverse you can learn quite a bit.

  172. SFG says:
    @Lot

    In fact Hep C is *easier* to transmit than HIV–look at rates for the various needlesticks.

    You could also get it from a blood transfusion ages ago, which is why you see those ads aimed at old people about curing hep C (which they can do now).

  173. Svevlad says:

    Oh America, you could have solved that little problem in many ways, yet you didn’t.

    Give me a blank check and a few good men and I’ll turn blacks into a model minority. You gotta suspend nearly all human rights laws until I’m done tho.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  174. MarkinLA says:
    @Jack Henson

    Ever since the 80s the stock market has been operating under different rules than it traditionally did. After the bust of the “Nifty Fifty” of the 60s people realized that stocks are risky and you could lose a lot of money betting on stories of the future.

    Prior to the 80s, tax law favored the bond holders when a company went bankrupt. Chapter 11 put banks in position to get ahead of the bond holders and give the principles another chance to screw the bond holders. This has made bonds a far less enticing investment.

    Prior to the 80s dividends were important because you could not depend on the appreciation of stocks and any wrong turn by the companies management could leave you with nothing.

    Accordingly, people were not so eager to bid the price of stocks up to the sky. Something significant has to change peoples mindset. If people are willing to bid up the price of what is basically nothing (bitcoin) then they will likely continue to bid up the price of stocks.

    The only significant thing I can see happening is that, just like prime real estate, younger people will simply not be able to afford to bid up the price of the stocks. Like any market, if it doesn’t continue to go up ands stalls out for too long, it will likely collapse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  175. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The ARVN was not a failure at conventional warfare.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Offensive

    Sunni Arabs, on the other hand …

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  176. SFG says:
    @El Dato

    ‘femme’ can refer to the more ‘feminine’-presenting end of the lesbian spectrum; the antonym is ‘butch’.

  177. Jack D says:
    @Svevlad

    This is not true. A “model minority” is someone like the Japanese who, once acclimated to Western ways, stay that way on their own and contribute to society. The Japanese required one major ass kicking and now they are as good as gold forever.

    You can whip blacks into shape but you have to maintain the regime of fear permanently or else they revert. They will never be a model minority.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    , @Colin Wright
  178. @El Dato

    “Over-centralization, discouraging initiative, lack of flexibility, manipulation of information, and the discouragement of leadership at the junior level” are also standard features of really shitty companies.

    They are also features of hereditary rule by absolute monarchs. Their primary objective is to remain in power against the always-present threat from internal rivals*, not win wars against their neighbors. All other goals are secondary. In a world where Pax Americana limits even Russian gains in Ukraine, none of the Arab powers has any real fear of its neighbor conquering and annexing it, let alone “Little Satan” Israel, which is getting all kinds of flak for its fairly mild measures against Gaza and the West Bank.

    * Lest you think internal rivals don’t exist, here are some examples of internal strife within Arab countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_revolution_of_1952

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14_July_Revolution
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan_Revolution
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1963_Iraqi_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17_July_Revolution
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Hassan_al-Bakr#Downfall_and_resignation:_1979

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1949_Syrian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Syrian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Syrian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

  179. Svevlad says:
    @Jack D

    Heh, my way is a little more insidious. Give good ol’ evolution a little push…

  180. @Jack D

    ‘This is not true. A “model minority” is someone like the Japanese who, once acclimated to Western ways, stay that way on their own and contribute to society. The Japanese required one major ass kicking and now they are as good as gold forever…’

    I definitely like the Japanese, but your forecast is…optimistic.

  181. @Anon

    It’s no use trying to explain things to liberals.

    Liberals consider you an enemy and consider language as something that affects your behavior, no more, no less. They consider “political reality” to have replaced “truth” or even “correspondence to observation”. [1]

    Liberals may make noises, but don’t try to interpret these noises as words.

    1] Hicks
    Search for “Postmodernism” in youtube and on amazon.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  182. @Johann Ricke

    Israeli soldiers and soldiers in the West robotically obey their superiors.

    Funny. None of the ones I’ve seen acted like robots. That sort of thing went out with black powder muskets.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  183. @Anonymous

    The usual answer is that societies that have lost everything must reconstruct from the bottom up.

    A story [1]: German currency by 1948 was largely valueless.

    Once he gained political influence, Erhard began to formulate a multi-pronged effort to bring West Germany’s economy back to life. First, he played a large role in formulating a new currency issued by the Allies to replace the worthless remnant of the past. This plan would reduce the amount of currency available to the public by a staggering 93%, a decision that would reduce the little wealth that German individuals and companies held. In addition, large tax cuts were also instituted in an attempt to spur spending and investment.

    The currency was scheduled to be introduced on June 21, 1948. In an extremely controversial move, Erhard also decided to remove price controls on the same day. Erhard was almost universally criticized for his decision. Erhard was brought into the office of U.S. General Lucius Clay, who was the commanding officer overseeing the occupied western half of Germany. Clay told Erhard that his advisors informed him that the German’s drastic new policy would be a terrible mistake. Famously, Erhard responded:

    “Don’t listen to them, General. My advisers tell me the same thing.”

    So it was fish, cut bait, or starve, and, given the choice, everybody went to work.

    The UK, OTH, elected a socialist government and tore itself apart. I had to work with one of the British labor union thugs once. Memorable. I pretty much ignored him, but still regret not pushing his beer into his lap when he threatened me. Lost opportunities. He and the organization he was part of pretty much destroyed manufacturing research at that institution.

    This is one of the reasons the West is in trouble. Most other societies have reorganized themselves to meet the challenge of contact with the West, even if the reorganization consists of feeding off the West like ticks. The “victorious” west hasn’t reorganized itself at all, and is now thoroughly obsolete — right down to the cities who live off the countryside and the American overseas influence and do nothing of economic importance save finance, which is largely predatory. The West will have to reorganize sometime soon, after its current institutions become a bit weaker and less tolerable.

    Counterinsurgency

  184. FPD72 says:
    @Anonymous

    Not exactly, according to Bin Laden. In Osama Bin Laden’s November 2002 “Letter to America”, he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda’s motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia [Gulf War 1], US support of Israel, and sanctions against Iraq [also Gulf War 1].

    But that was for Western consumption. Raymond Ibrahim, as a researcher at the Library of Congress, found a significant difference between Al Qaeda’s messages in English directed to a Western audience and al Qaeda’s Arab messages and documents directed to an Islamic audience. The Western-directed messages listed grievances as grounds for retaliation employing the “language of ‘reciprocity.’” Literature for Islamic audiences contained theological motivations bereft of references to the acts of Western nations.

    So yeah, our support of Israel’s invasion of southern Lebanon and occupation of Jerusalem was a stated reason, but less so than other American and other Western support of various military actions against Moslem populations.

  185. Hank Yobo says:
    @Jack D

    Ever hear of Leonard Cheshire and the Pathfinders? Some in Bomber Command were trying to hit their targets.

  186. Yngvar says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    They should be getting fewer loans, not more.

    Michelle Malkin had a story on her site a few years back about a black, single mother “surprised” with a free holiday on cruise-liner for her and her brood in one of those reality TV-shows.

    The real surprise was that locals and the production team tore down her house and built a new and modern one while she was away.

    This was all free and gratis of course, but Malkin noted the unhappy ending; the woman took out a large mortgage on the property but was not able to pay, she lost the new house in foreclosure.

    It would be better if applicant assessors could point to reality instead of blaming algorithms.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  187. @Jack D

    By the late 60s, the bombed buildings in my part of West London had been replaced, or in some cases converted into small playgrounds.

    Liverpool’s local government is more useless and corrupt than most. HBD types might attribute it to the mostly Irish Roman Catholic population, but I doubt it. Nowhere in Ireland or the rest of NW England is as bad – eg long distance truck drivers still won’t park overnight in Merseyside. It must be some sociological microclimate.

    I remember being shocked at the poverty in Liverpool when I first went there in the early 70s for a West Ham United away match. Considering that I often visited the grotty East End of London, that tells you how bad Liverpool was in those days.

  188. @Hypnotoad666

    Attributing agency to Blacks seems to be the ultimate taboo. Here is an example:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/154618/new-american-homeless-housing-insecurity-richest-cities

    Sure, this Black lady fell victim of an (immigrant) slum lord. But having 6 kids, with no father(s) in sight is her real problem.

  189. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svevlad

    Oh America, you could have solved that little problem in many ways, yet you didn’t.

    Such as how?

  190. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    Like any market, if it doesn’t continue to go up ands stalls out for too long, it will likely collapse.

    There’s no reason why a market price must continue to go up to avert a market collapse.

  191. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Liberals consider you an enemy and consider language as something that affects your behavior, no more, no less.

    Steve and a number of commenters here also believe that language affects behavior.

  192. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Steve, have you seen/heard about this?”

    Of course he has. But he chooses not to report anything related about the Mueller investigation. Why? Because he does not want to say something now and have it scrutinized later. He is cagey in this regard. But he knows the dozen or so ongoing cases that resulted from Mueller’s work are legitimate. Mr. Sailer is simply not going to admit it.

    Butina worked for Trump. The Steele Dossier has proved to be invaluable and accurate. Read Seth Abramson. He NOTICES things.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  193. @SFG

    Yeah– I wonder if it’s because they don’t want the “anti-semetic” implications of “Lugenpresse” to be considered.

  194. J.Ross says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Izzies have a huge unique emphasis on soldier autonomy (or what some would call permissiveness) for several reasons:
    >The Holocaust ideology, where the absolute metaphysically worst thing you can possibly be is a brainless follower of orders, regardless of the outcome.
    >They’re Jews. They cannot just do their job. The closest they come is to call you an idiot and then do their job. This must be accommodated because they are all they have.
    >They are a compulsory citizen army, and must accept a certain amount of personality (this has been a major argument for professional volunteer armies in other countries, but the example of the US doesn’t always bear it out).
    >They don’t really have the same moral issues outsiders have with occupation, especially once they get shot at, so there is no need for compulsion or restriction.

    In the teen-audience propaganda autobiography “When I Was a Soldier,” Valerie Zanetti describes something like a sophisticated party loyalty session, in which IDF soldiers were allowed to grouse and encouraged to focus on moral qualms. Obviously this is heavily supervised and proctored, but the freedom of expression is real. Israelis have a unique focus on psychometrics.

  195. J.Ross says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It makes perfect sense in light of the huge, well-described mess that had gone before. If you haven’t read a good summary of that then yeah it must sound like it’s straight out of left field.

  196. @advancedatheist

    Thomas Sowell on the effect of culture on ethnic economic success:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/solid-sowell/
    In segment two, Sowell strenuously dismisses the MSM – way back in 1984, appropriately enough: “I see no correlation between what I say and what the media reports!” The rest is worth hearing, too.

  197. Ibound1 says:
    @Jack D

    Who is good at conventional warfare these days? It’s not like anyone is the Wehrmacht 1940. Everyone seems to be pretty crappy at it. Maybe all that counts is who is good at cyber war.

  198. @Yngvar

    This was all free and gratis of course, but Malkin noted the unhappy ending; the woman took out a large mortgage on the property but was not able to pay, she lost the new house in foreclosure.

    It may not have been that “unhappy,” except for the bank. The woman probably borrowed more than the house was worth, so she would have ended up walking away with the cash (or whatever she spent it on), while also getting a place to live in the meantime.

    I know people that did exactly that during the housing bust — just walk away from over-leveraged properties after they repeatedly refinancing them and taking out more money than they paid in the first place.

    Not all foreclosed homeowners are victims. A lot were basically speculators scamming the banks by taking all the upside gain and sticking the banks with the losses.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  199. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Right. Leftist rhetoric directed at whites is the equivalent of someone saying “nice doggie, nice doggie” until they get close enough to bash the animal’s brains in.

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