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From the New York Times news section:

How White Nationalists See What They Want to See in DNA Tests

What happens when white supremacists on the hate site Stormfront learn that they’re not as white as they thought? Two researchers investigated.

By Heather Murphy
July 12, 2019

On the hate site Stormfront, one of the largest online discussion forums dedicated to “white pride,” sharing DNA results with fellow members has become a rite of passage for some members.

But what happens when users’ results show that they fail to meet their own genetic criteria for whiteness? Are they still willing to post them? And if so, how do other users respond?

Such questions have long intrigued the sociologists Aaron Panofsky, who studies the social implications of genetics at the University of California, Los Angeles, and Joan Donovan, whose research at Harvard University focuses on how information is manipulated on the internet.

“We had a puzzle,” Dr. Panofsky said in an interview this week. “If Stormfront says, ‘You’ve got to be all white or we’ll kick you out,’ how do they deal with these anomalies?”

Their findings, outlined this month in a study in the journal Social Studies of Science, show that yes, even members who fail to meet their own genetic standards will sometimes share the results.

In response, their fellow white nationalists tend to console them by offering potential reasons the results can’t be trusted. Among them: skepticism about the tests’ interpretations of the science or statistics, conspiracy theories about Jewish-owned genetic testing companies’ multicultural agendas, and reminders about alternative ways of measuring whiteness.

To Dr. Panofsky and Dr. Donovan, that meant trying to counter hate by getting white nationalists to consider that they actually are the people they hate was not going to work: Members of such groups are too determined to help each other see what they want to see.

The findings add to an already robust body of scholarship that shows how difficult it is to get people to alter pre-existing views, said Jonathan Baron, a psychology professor at the University of Pennsylvania who was not involved in the study. “People go to extraordinary lengths to maintain beliefs to which they are committed,” he said.

“Science cannot save us,” Dr. Panofsky said, noting that in the years since he first began working on this study, genetic tests have increasingly been used to encourage the “mainstreamification” of white nationalism. “The political problem of white nationalism needs to be confronted on the level of values and law enforcement,” he said.

What Dr. Mercier, who was not involved in the study, found even more fascinating than users’ tendency to see what they wanted was that more than 50 people chose to disclose DNA results that contradicted their desired identity.

Sample size > 50.

“Maybe these posters aren’t 100 percent sure about their involvement in the white nationalist movement, and they want to make sure they’d be accepted,” he suggested.

It is impossible to know whether that was indeed going through their minds, however, because the researchers did not interview the posters directly. That also means the researchers cannot be sure that the DNA tests even belonged to the users who posted them.

Despite those limitations, Wendy D. Roth, a professor of sociology at the University of Pennsylvania, said it was well-executed study. In her own work, she has found an inverse dynamic: white people who take genetic tests hoping to find something that makes them feel more “exotic.”

But like the white nationalists, they were also inclined to use only the information that was convenient for them: If a bit of Native American ancestry seemed as if it would impress their friends, for example, then they would embrace it. If they worried they wouldn’t be taken seriously, or thought they might be criticized, then they wouldn’t.

Obviously, this type of selective retention is more benign than selective retention intended to rationalize acts of violence, social exclusion and racist hierarchies. Nonetheless, it’s far from consequence-free, Dr. Roth said. She called it “a new form of white privilege.”

Isn’t everything?

… Dr. Roth also warned that the growing embrace of ancestral testing may broadly encourage a racist or ethnocentric worldview.

And now it’s time for the new, more intersectional, and dumber Stephen Jay Gould to sum up:

Angela Saini, the author of “Superior: The Return of Race Science,” made a similar observation on a recent episode of the NPR podcast “Code Switch.” “When we biologize identity, this is what the nationalists want,” she said.

Heather Murphy is a science reporter. She writes about the intersection of technology and our genes and how bio-tech innovations affect the way we live. @heathertal

Let me see if I have this straight:

As Angela Saini’s new book “Superior: The Return of Race Science” proclaims: Race does NOT exist genetically.

Except … when Stormfront readers find out their DNA isn’t 100.0% white, in which case we must believe DNA testing services’ results about race unquestioningly.

 
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  1. The findings add to an already robust body of scholarship that shows how difficult it is to get people to alter pre-existing views, said Jonathan Baron, a psychology professor at the University of Pennsylvania who was not involved in the study. “People to maintain beliefs to which they are committed,” he said.

    I’m sure that Professor Jonathan Baron is as likely as anyone else to go to extraordinary lengths to maintain beliefs to which he is committed. Probably even more so, ideological conformity being so crucial to success in academia.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  2. Flemur says:

    This is the only post on the subject under discussion that I could find quickly:

    “Hello, got my DNA results and I learned today I am 61% European.”

    “I’ve prepared you a drink. It’s 61% pure water. The rest is potassium cyanide.”

    Etc.

  3. There’s a reason they’re science writers rather than scientists.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @ben tillman
  4. People go to extraordinary lengths to maintain beliefs to which they are committed

    The NYT is so un-self-aware and impervious to irony, it’s almost adorable.

    • LOL: Laurence Whelk
    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Dieter Kief
  5. DCThrowback says: • Website

    the NYT: wholeheartedly embracing race science to own duh ray-cisses

  6. Cortes says:

    Donovan is hilarious.

    Panofsky?

    I’m such a serious academic nobody cares about my background.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Panofsky

  7. I like that reading 50 blog comments and giving your spin on what you think the posters were thinking and feeling counts as a sociology “study.”

    In any event, the takeaway of the article is that White people who want to be white are racists. And white people who want to be non-white are also racist. So white people are bad. The science is settled.

    • Agree: Charon, TWS, bomag
  8. Charon says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Yep. I didn’t read the article (I don’t need to read any more NYT articles) but their message is that words like “race” (and words like “jew”) mean exactly what they want them to mean, when and where they’re said and at no other time and place, unless it’s convenient for them.. Tomorrow, it could all change round again and yours is not to question why.

    • LOL: Rosie
  9. What happens when white supremacists on the hate site Stormfront learn that they’re not as white as they thought? Two researchers investigated.

    What happens when black woke (bloke?) Social Justice Warriors on the rightthink site YouTube learn that they’re not as black as they thought? Absolutely no researchers investigated.

  10. syonredux says:

    Angela Saini, the author of “Superior: The Return of Race Science,” made a similar observation on a recent episode of the NPR podcast “Code Switch.” “When we biologize identity, this is what the nationalists want,” she said.

    Does this mean that Rachel Dolezal gets to be Black?

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    , @Charon
  11. Rosie says:

    So I guess if they’re admitting that mixed-race people aren’t White, then they’re also admitting that there won’t be any more White people once we’re all mixed.

    Am I right?

    • Agree: Buck Ransom
    • Replies: @SFG
  12. B36 says:

    I took the 23andMe test a few years ago and got results about what I expected (like 80% British, 10% Northern European, about 10% “broadly” European), except for 1% or less Ashkenazi (so that’s why I always got the Seinfeld jokes!). But then last year they reevaluated the results, and away went the Ashkenazi, replaced with 0.5% Filipino and Austronesian and 0.1% Congolese and Angolan. I mean I can imagine how the African could have gotten in there but Filipino and Austronesian? I looked again at some of my DNA relatives on the site and all of a sudden they also have some African or Asian blood that wasn’t there before. I’m a little suspicious that these are SJW fabrications purposely put in in hopes of temper the rabid racism that we know animates all white people. Anyway, back to my six pack of San Miguel…

  13. Dr. X says:

    Perhaps Dr. Panofsky should get a job with the Israeli immigration department… I’m sure he’d admit all those Africans who claim to be “Jews” that Bibi deported…

  14. @syonredux

    Angela Saini, the author of “Superior: The Return of Race Science,” made a similar observation on a recent episode of the NPR podcast “Code Switch.” “When we biologize identity, this is what the nationalists want,” she said.

    Does this mean that Rachel Dolezal gets to be Black?

    Does this mean Angie denounces her previous work?

    Does she believe that if India were populated by Sub-Saharans instead of Indo-Aryans it would be the “smartest country on the planet”?

    • Replies: @indocon
  15. anon[588] • Disclaimer says:

    Brace yourselves, but 3 of the 5 academics quoted in this article are Jewish.

    As for the other two…

    Joan Donovan looks a SJW caricature. For the French Guy (Hugo Mercier), who knows.

    • Replies: @bored identity
  16. “When we biologize identity… “

    Is that a word?

    It must be, if the Beatles used it.

    You know it’s up to you
    I think it’s only fair
    Pride can hurt you, too
    Biologise to her

    Because she loves you
    And you know that can’t be bad…

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
  17. @Reg Cæsar

    The verb-ification (haha) of nouns is really going overboard – a recent iSteve post quoted a blackthinker who used the phrase “minoritized populations” – ugh – no agency – no, not a minority population but a population that has been “minoritized” by…. whom?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @I Have Scinde
  18. Lot says:
    @B36

    “0.5% Filipino and Austronesian and 0.1% Congolese and Angolan”

    I’ve seen a lot of 99% Euro 1% random others, but never “Austronesian” before.

    Well, goodbye Seinfeld, hello Abo Art!

    • Replies: @Carol
  19. JohnnyD says:

    There’s no such thing as “white people.” They’re people who think they’re white! Come on guys, Ta-Nehisi has already explained this!

  20. Carol says:
    @Lot

    I got the revision to 1% Austronesian- Filipino about the same time. Must be going around.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  21. @Laurence Whelk

    The verb-ification (haha) of nouns is really going overboard

    As is the “nounification” of verbs. (Nominalization?). Which is kind of a “disconnect” for some of us, an “invite” to slovenly speech.

    I’d lend you the shirt off my back, but I refuse to “loan” anybody anything.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Haruto Rat
  22. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:

    I thought the Battle of Algiers settled the Algerian question.

    Not when you allow millions of them into France.

    https://www.infowars.com/france-algerian-football-fans-riot-wield-chainsaws-loot-stores/

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  23. @Carol

    It’s just white noise.

    • LOL: Rosie
  24. @Redneck farmer

    Well said. Notice they are now in an echo chamber, citing each other. If I were writing about genetics I would ask a geneticist to comment, not another person writing about genetics. Yet they turned to this Saini creature. Were no actual geneticists available for comment? It’d be like asking Tom Wolfe, instead of Neil Armstrong, about the details of landing on the moon. I guess Wolfe (or Saini) are better to speak to than, say, Joe the pastry chef, but, c’mon….

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  25. I call this the Clayton Bigsby phenomenon.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  26. @B36

    Like a romance novel, the genetic storytellers need to write a POC into the woodpile. Preferably exotic.

  27. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:

    “When we biologize identity, this is what the nationalists want,” she said

    Biologizing identity is different from racializing identity because race has nothing to do with biology. Race doesn’t exist, biologically speaking. Race is only a social construct created by white oppressors. But racializing identity is critically important because “if you don’t see my blackness you don’t see me.” Because oppression.

    Once upon a time the world was filled with Non-Racialized Characters. Then along came white people and with them their inventions of war, greed, racism and slavery.

    And of course whites aren’t a race, biologically speaking. It’s basically just a sickness. Like Mental AIDS.

    So once whites are consigned to the dustbin of history, there will be no more races. Just NRCs, just like it was in the Beginning.

    People of Color unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains of racial identity!

    Ah, fuggit.

  28. indocon says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    It’s interesting that both subcontinental grifters Angela and Suketu were inward focused earlier in the decade, Angela wrote her hilarious book on Indian scientific prowess (combing from there I can’t laughing at that topic) in 2011 while as late as 2015 Suketu was writing on how Mumbai still functioned as a city:
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/city-of-our-blighted-future/1/509750.html

    But they’re all seeing gold rush in bash whitey fest which is going on right now.

    When will any of you pilgrims have the guts to start fighting back. I am counting on you. Left a country run by Brahmins, don’t want this country to be dominated by them.

  29. @B36

    I’m sure that the report writers at 23 and Me have the same level of integrity as YouTube content screeners, FaceBook fact-checkers and Google search algorithms programmers.

    Even if it isn’t corporate SOP to put a drop of ink in everybody’s cream, I’m sure the purple-haired, nose-ringed, guaged-eared techs would do it just for gits and shiggles – you know, like when they spit in your “Animal Style” burger you get at the In and Out drive-thru (don’t think I’m joking here).

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  30. People have good reason to be suspicious of DNA test results, especially if the test claims some jewish ancestry.

    Obvious why they would do this.

    Old friend of mine did one of the tests, came out a tiny percentage “askenazi,” so now he thinks he’s jewish and he won’t allow any criticism of jews.

    THAT is why the testing companies add Ashkenazi, as a means to combat anti-semitism.

    My all time favorite was Eva Longoria when she found out that she’s mostly white. What a scene. She skipped over the “embarrassing” results of her 70% European ancestry, and she blabbed on and on about the 1% african genes, virtue signaling to the black NPR host. This was an epic show, one that is burned into my memory.

    So, yeah, race doesn’t exist but….whites are VERY bad.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Anonymous
  31. @Autochthon

    It’d be like asking Tom Wolfe, instead of Neil Armstrong, about the details of landing on the moon

    It would be more like asking Bruce Willis for his role in Armageddon

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  32. @Anonymous

    It’s what France gets for murdering 1.5 million algerians and subjucating them for 130 years. Oh and it’s continuing presence in Africa justifies some form of compensation too

  33. Roger says:

    I was last on Stormfront about 5 years ago, but there seemed to be a lot of trolls there. That is, posters might say crazy things about Hitler, or white nationalism, or racial groups, and do it just to provoke the regulars. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the site is being trolled with goofy DNA test results.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Gordo
    , @J.Ross
  34. TerryR says:

    if a stormfront reader has less than 100% white DNA will the New York Times let him have affirmative action?

  35. TerryR says:

    Indian woman here, race doesnt exist except my race is smartest and is taking over the world

    • LOL: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
  36. istevefan says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The North Africans got what they got because they wouldn’t stop enslaving Europeans. From 1500-1800, about one million Europeans were taken in slave raids in the Mediterranean.

  37. @anon

    Yet, Dr. Roth somehow fails to remind us that the only number more sacred than six zero zero zero zero zero zero is number 7:

  38. @BengaliCanadianDude

    No, it would not at all; that suggestion does not fit the phenomenon or the analogy at all. Keep quiet when your betters are conversing.

    You’re like a a buffoon who joins two intelligent people observing unfamiliar marine creatures:

    Briton: “It’s size and form call to mind a large porpoise.”

    American: “Yes. Or a small whale.”

    Bengali: “Yesindeed. Or perhaps also it is being an oceanic hippopontamus, eh? I am veddy clever, no?”

    This foolishness is why You Have to Go Back. Go desalinate some water for your hive of fellow ant-people in Chennai or something.

  39. @istevefan

    No, the North African states were getting revenge for The Crusades, duh.
    Or maybe the expulsion of Jews from Spain and France.

  40. Wilkey says:

    I’m a “white nationalist” with the opposite problem. I honestly believed that I had a tiny amount of American Indian in me, based on supposed family lore and whatnot. My parents both took DNA tests to find out they’re both basically 100% European (well, 1% was “undetermined” or whatever).

    Will the New York Slim Times be sharing my sad story of the supposedly mixed-race white nationalist who is shocked to discover that he’s a pure-bred?

    I’m really not joking. My story is probably quite common. For every “white nationalist” who thinks he or she is pure white but isn’t there are probably two who believe they have some tiny percentage of non-white blood who actually don’t. And except for the tiny number who are “Stormers,” the vast majority of us don’t give a shit either way.

  41. Mr. Anon says:

    Except … when Stormfront readers find out their DNA isn’t 100.0% white, in which case we must believe DNA testing services’ results about race unquestioningly.

    Science is what we say it is, when we say it is.

  42. Mr. Anon says:
    @Roger

    I was last on Stormfront about 5 years ago, but there seemed to be a lot of trolls there.

    I wonder what fraction of the regular posters there are FBI agents or SPLC narks.

  43. @Hypnotoad666

    The less fun and more rude way were to say, the NYT is prone to performative self-contradictions.

    What, uh, they really are. But obviously that is their methodto get away with contradictions: Just wrap them up in more words than usual, and nobody cares, because people are awe-struck and/or seduced. Their texts morph into something confusing and boring at the same time. – Makes readers “constantly numb” (cf. Pink Floyd/ The Wall).
    Ahhh – did I say nobody notices? I straighten this one out, then I’m finished: Nobody except the happy few in a quite lively tiny little corner of the WWW led by the intellectual sorcerer Steve Sailer who, like famous French sorcerer Asterix in a slightly different context, has cooked up this magic sauce which – when poured over the NYT self-contradictory indigestible character- soup, turns this mental kludge into something – – – funny even, right away: Which is pure enlightening magic in action!
    Besides Steve Sailer, there are people like you, Hypnotoad666, of course, who give me this enlightening bright smile in my face every once in a while, even in rather numb NYT contexts. Which is great! Thanks.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Hypnotoad666
  44. @Autochthon

    Oh it was just a lighthearted comment. Ah ans you wonder why you wiggers aren’t liked much…even by your own co ethnics….Thomm has a point, even though we may not see eye to eye on everything. He’s right in his assesments of the incel-ity of thr wiggers and everything. Hes not wrong. Wigger started spazzing out over a comment as light as that. Go out more hahaa

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  45. @istevefan

    Nice inflation of these numbers, what clown will you cite now, Tobias Langdon? Will be the occidental observer fellas? By that logic, the americans are getting what they deserve for slavery and their wars…right? Seems pretty logical

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @istevefan
  46. Public DNA testing is 90% chick thing.

  47. @Robert Dolan

    Old friend of mine did one of the tests, came out a tiny percentage “askenazi,” so now he thinks he’s jewish and he won’t allow any criticism of jews.

    So, if you discover one of your ancestors was a serial killer, you have to defend serial killers as such?

    Interesting…..

  48. With regard to the bizarro world of public DNA testing:

    I’ve read a few comments. What is really, really weird is: many people claim that woman’s skin is “healthy”. How can one say such a stupid thing? You can’t say it’s healthy (or not), simply because it’s too dark to see anything.

  49. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    ‘Old friend of mine did one of the tests, came out a tiny percentage “askenazi,” so now he thinks he’s jewish and he won’t allow any criticism of jews.’

    Lol really?
    How small was the percentage?

  50. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    No numbnuts the north africans would not stop enslaving europeans (including in such far away places as Ireland and Iceland) because they were driven by islam to do so. When the French went into Algeria there were still european slaves for sale. The United States first foreign war was to stop north african pirates/terrorists picking on them.

    The Occidental Observer is a fantastic website and Tobias Langdon is a million times smarter than you.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  51. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    I think he is a troll myself.

  52. Gordo says:
    @Roger

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the site is being trolled with goofy DNA test results.

    Looks like they found some old 2016 SF posts, from anon trolls with one post to their name, and made a story out of it.

    Great going from a paper of record.

  53. Charon says:
    @syonredux

    Can’t help but notice how completely they have weaponised the word “nationalist”. Meaning love of country, support of sovereignty, desire to protect one’s own.

    All things which are absolutely essential for the preservation of any worthy society. And all things which are absolute anathema to TPTB in America today.

  54. Romanian says: • Website

    My 23andme results came in. I am officially a Person of Color by having 0.2% broadly South Asian DNA traces. I came out to my friends, but those White racists were incredulous when I told them I would be the first Gypsy President of my country, a mantle which destiny calls to me to solemnly accept! I told them that I’m more of a Gypsy than a major Native American Presidential candidate in the US is a Native American. Their racist laughter wounded me and I realized that this is what my people had been subjected to for all of these centuries, which accounts for the various gaps. Hatred blossomed within me and I am resolved to flood the country with hostile, unassimilable aliens to apply Mr. Sailer’s remarks on the US as a how-to manual for national destr… renewal and social justice.

    The rest of the chocolate in my milk comes from Southern Italy and Southern Greece, but who cares.

  55. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Thomm has a point, even though we may not see eye to eye on everything.

    How could you possibly see eye to eye on everything? Thomm’s a middle-caste Hindu, while you’re a Moslem.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  56. istevefan says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Nice inflation of these numbers, what clown will you cite now, Tobias Langdon? Will be the occidental observer fellas? By that logic, the americans are getting what they deserve for slavery and their wars…right? Seems pretty logical

    The one million enslaved Europeans in the Mediterranean, from 1500-1800, is documented in detail in a book by Robert Davis, a history professor at The Ohio State University.

    Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, The Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800 (Early Modern History: Society and Culture)

  57. @Redneck farmer

    There’s a reason they’re science writers rather than scientists.

    Some science writers, like the Viscount Ridley, are more knowledgeable than the scientists they write about.

  58. Adamant says:

    from 2017, https://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2522-inside-shady-world-dna-testing-companies.html

    They Will Screw With Racists

    “I only know of two times somebody wanted to be tested for being another ethnicity because they didn’t like that ethnicity. Both times, [they were] white people not wanting to believe they had black ancestors.” The first of these made an offhand remark that, “‘I’m hoping it will show people I’m not black.’ And not as a joke. He was serious.” The second customer was even less subtle: “He caught himself from saying the N-bomb. He said, ‘I want to know if any of my family are ni- black.’”

    Morgan and his colleagues were caught between a rock and a really-want-to-mess-with-racists place. It would’ve been fun to throw a “10 percent West African” in there, but then they might have a pissed-off, dangerous person at their office, waving a gun. “Since we couldn’t do anything to the results (and we wanted to), what we did was add ‘< 1 percent' to each African category of ethnicity. That way we weren't lying, and they would both be wondering how much under a percentage point was. We always try to round to the nearest number because we sometimes hear about percentage points, but for them, we leave it open to whether it's a one or a zero."

    It's a compromise that's elegant in its passive-aggressive simplicity. And it got a result. "The near-N-bomber wrote to us asking what that meant, and we wrote back that it meant it was under 1 percent. And we were not saying zero. Unless they got another test, that was going to bother them. Maybe they weren't 100 percent Caucasian. I mean, they were, according to the results, but this way it leaves it open, and they'll always be wondering."

    But you know, it's just a conspiracy theory.

  59. @Reg Cæsar

    AmE started this long ago by destroying the difference between an adjective and an adverb. (e.g. “real bad” vs. “really bad”)

    English itself is only superficially Indoeuropean, but AmE has stopped pretending.

  60. @Romanian

    Well, there ain’t much to be proud of. Of all the auxiliaries Batu left behind in Thrace in spring 1242 when he had to hurry to kurultay, you (and your ancestors) have covered one of the shortest distances.

    It’s been 777 years, by the way. 🙂

    • Replies: @Romanian
  61. @istevefan

    Thanks for this mental cleanser.

    TWGH is back in North Africa and spent part of the afternoon listening to a local Tinderette go on about the myth of the Andalusian paradise.

  62. El Dato says:

    She called it “a new form of white privilege.”

    “It’s white privilege Jim, but not as we know it.”

    In space, no-one can hear you biologize identity.

  63. El Dato says:
    @Dieter Kief

    French sorcerer Asterix

    That would be the celtic sorcerer Miraculix.

    Asterix is the muscle, he goes all Antifa on the Romans’ ass.

    • Replies: @Adamant
    , @Dieter Kief
  64. Mooeing says:

    Problem is that as long as you look white the sjw’s will always categorize you as white. You can 1/4 anything and still look white as any other american. They will never acknowledge you.

    • Replies: @SFG
  65. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    Aaron Panofsky and Dr. Roth’s ethnostate will test potential citizens for racial purity. When they don’t meet the criteria of acceptable Jewish matrilineal descent, they don’t get citizenship. That’s how their ethnic group handles failed genetic tests.

    In addition, matrilineal descent is required for social group acceptance across the Jewish group’s encampments throughout the world. No one knows the probable outcome of the failure to meet group genetic requirements better than do Jews.

  66. @Laurence Whelk

    Doesn’t In-and-Out require their employees to be pretty clean-cut? Its been awhile since I’ve been to one, but I don’t remember any tats, face-piercings, etc.

  67. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @B36

    An decent way to test your theory (which is likely true) is to pay for a test through an unrelated company.

    I assume that most of the <1-2% AfricaAsian results are bullshit for most people.

    I'm as White as the White Walker Knight King from Game of thrones (without the white hair), and literally can't be in the summer sun for more than 30 minutes and can trace my heritage back solely to the British Isles and Northwest Europe, and I'm sure they would return my results with some percentage African.

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    , @Anon87
  68. SFG says:
    @Mooeing

    Tell it to Kyle Kashuv…

  69. SFG says:
    @Rosie

    Yeah, I think that’s the point.

  70. I read an article about this very thing last year. They interviewed some of the techs that worked at a DNA company, but the company wasn’t disclosed. They stated that they routinely put >.01% African dna in because they are fighting against racism. One of them said something like “less than .1% could be zero, so it’s absolutely correct to include”. I should have archived it. They talked about how funny it was that people called and complained. 4 months ago I went from 100% European to 99.99% European with .01% Senegalese. Apparently one of my ancestors in North America between 1550 and 1650 was Senegalese. I seriously doubt that. I have more Neanderthal DNA than African.

    • Replies: @Mr. Frosty
  71. Romanian says: • Website
    @Haruto Rat

    We wuz Mongols?

    To be honest, I favor a Muslim slave trade of exiles from Northern India sort of hypothesis for the Gypsies arriving in Eastern Europe, but I do not see why there could not have been multiple groups with different origins and arrival dates, given the differences between the various groups today as well. It would explain how Gypsies were grouped by trade, which persisted well into the Communist era (tin workers, bronze workers, gold workers, animal trainers etc).

    777 years demand a cake – I will place a candle on a chocolate eclair.

    PS 0.3% North-Western European, as well B-) We wuz Varangians!

    • Replies: @Haruto Rat
  72. @Digital Samizdat

    lol I’m not a practicing muslim and I dont even follow the religion. Thomm is white. Im more culturally of the background

  73. Adamant says:
    @El Dato

    The translations I normally read call the druid Getafix.

  74. How can you oppose 30 million Mexicans coming here when you yourself are 1% Yakut? Checkmate, bigot.

  75. J.Ross says:

    This article might as well be about an imaginary conversation with dead historical figure (eg, racially-Polish Friedrisch Nietzsche). There never was a 100% purity thing, not even for the actual Nazis, and Hitler personally signed a kind of pardon or license for hundreds of thousands of “not 100%” Aryans, who would have needed no pardon at all if the “not 100%” was one generation further back. This 100% thing (and the admitted testing company deliberate flubbing) is like Stephen King and Craig Mazin agreeing that the Chernobyl miniseries is really about Donald Trump.

  76. J.Ross says:
    @Roger

    I’ve never been on or llinked to read something from there, or wanted to, and I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it was literally all Jews entrapping Feds entrapping Jews.

  77. @BengaliCanadianDude

    LOL, and I suppose you’re earning installments on a debt owed to you by Churchill, compensation for the suffering of strangers you’ve never met and share nothing in common with besides a gene pool?

    Dollars (or loonies) to donuts you wouldn’t take a cash payout in exchange for moving back to Dhaka. They’d have to drag you kicking and screaming onto the plane, away from the bloodthirsty white marauders and their clean, spacious streets.

    I look forward to the new narrative, once Canada’s been sucked dry and you all take flight to Finland or wherever the next stop is- Paavo Nurmi once made fun of Gandhi’s diaper! We’re only taking what’s ours!

  78. @TerryR

    They may or may not be the smartest, but they sure are the smelliest.

    Has anyone read Saini, and can tell whether she addresses the lack of basic sewer and sanitation in her genius nation?

  79. @Romanian

    Congratulations Romanian on your country(wo)man’s defeat of Serena at Wimbledon today.
    Simona Halek is on the cusp of being on of the great ones.

    It’s too bad that she had her massive assets trimmed years ago while still an unknown.

    Perhaps I’m just dreamin but this could be a sign of the start of a steady decline that leads to Williams retirement.

    • Replies: @Romanian
  80. @Romanian

    “Batu brought Gypsies to Europe” is of course a fringe theory but not exactly new:

    They are believed to be sun or fire worshippers. This may be a relic of their Indian origin, for it is supposed they were brought from India, as coppersmiths, by the Tartar hordes of Batu Khan, in the early thirteenth century.
    Roumanian Journey by Sacheverell Sitwell, 1938
    isbn:1448204682

    Coppersmiths, horse herders and, er, entertainers are three trade groups that could well tag along with the Mongol army.

  81. @Laurence Whelk

    Calvin: “Verbing weirds language.”
    Hobbes: “Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding.”

    –Bill Watterson

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  82. @Anonymous

    An anonymous troll doesn’t’t deserve an honest reply lol. This is the best you get

  83. @istevefan

    The numbers have already been debunked and it was horseshit from the start. Highly inflated. Kevin Barett took this on quite well. Anyways , little bit of piracy to me doesn’t justify it. But to you, whites can do no wrong so you think otherwise. As if the whites didn’t subjugate themselves enough ans their enslavement of others. Regardless, France had it coming. Maybe they shouldn’t have ruthlessly exterminated so many Algerians. Or messed their land even more, treating them like subhumans within their own territories. Or maybe they shouldn’t sponge off a colonial tax from many former colonies till this day. Eh. If there’s a country that deserves its fate, it’s France. They deserve it for what they did to Libya especially.

    • LOL: Marcus
  84. @More R1b, Less H1B

    Funny but criticism is only directed towards countries that have something to be criticized, and the areas that are usually rebuked tend to have historical backing like Churchill and Britain(as you say). Nobody says Finland is some sort of former colonialist that needs to seek repentance for its grievances which they inflicted on others. Nobody has ever even suggested anything even slightly resembling such a thought.

    I’m not from Dhaka. Neither are any of my parents. I was born in Canada.

    Canada is being sucked dry..by boomers. All the better justifying our presence as we provide crucial, much-needed revenue towards an already overburdened safety net.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  85. @More R1b, Less H1B

    Who is “they” lol. Not everybody is as mentally unhinged and intellectually challenged like you wiggers. The discriminatory Asiatic barred zone laws and statutes barring “orientals” and “indians” and “asiatics” have long been overturned by majority consensus from the natjve population of canada. They’re perfectly with me being here as a law-abiding, contributing citizen of Canada, a citizen who has meticulously and regularly maintained his civic obligations. You are an outfit, an outcast that is part of a isolated and universally resented minority, and your views do not reflect on the overwhelming landslide majority of people, who are certainly not as ignorant and needlessly prejudiced like you and others who share your asinine idealogy

    • Replies: @Marcus
  86. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Nobody says Finland is some sort of former colonialist that needs to seek repentance for its grievances which they inflicted on others.

    Well that’s funny. I live in Finland and our new brown and black citizens and their elite friends in TV, academia and politics tell me all the time how much I owe them reparations for racism and colonialism and all sorts of things that are just copied from the American racial grievance industry.

    And they’re getting their “reparations” since our state is largely just copying the affirmative action regime from American elites, city of Helsinki with its fully Americanized SJW politics already has preferential hiring for blacks and browns and the ideology is spreading fast to national politicians. There is simply no way to fight the spread of Americanism in such a small country, the amount of cultural power that Hollywood and American universities have is unmatchable and we can’t match the money that the Americans pour into influencing our politicians (while simultaneously complaining about imaginary Russian influence).

  87. Romanian says: • Website
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Thank you! I don’t follow sports, but everybody is raving about it. I’m not into the National pride for individual achievements thing since it glosses over the importance of collective achievement.

    She did diminish her generous endowment as a sacrifice on the altar of performance. She probably considers it worthwhile, given how her career has been flourishing, though I hear some women do it anyway because of back problems.

    Interestingly enough, she is an Aromanian or Vlach as they are called in the Balkans (though there are many regional names for various groups, related to occupations or how they speak – tsintsar, cutovlach, mavrovlach, morlac, cioban). Pureblood too, which is increasingly rare, as there are many mixed marriages. They have a very similar Romance language with more words from Greek or other cohabiting populations, which many still learn in community organized Sunday schools. They are considered a Romanian type, like the Volochs in Ukraine and others who happened to live in areas where they were a permanent small minority and outside the borders of the historic principalities like Moldova. The Aromanians in Romania are indistinguishable apart from occasional specific family names (like those starting with Cara-), They are more clannish than the norm and good with money and are a sort of less visible market dominant minority (jews-lite), trading on family relations throughout the Balkans for business success. The Greek compatible ancestry suggested by my 23andme could just as likely be a few Aromanians moving to Wallachia (Southern Romania, where Bucharest and Vlad the Impaler are) from the Ottoman Empire as traders, priests or farmers before the modern migratory wave.

  88. @Logwarrior

    #MeToo,

    Apparently, I have an East African ancestor from the 1700s who lived in the New-England colonies.

    So I’m 99.99% North Western European and .01% black African. Makes sense…

  89. @Jaakko Raipala

    There are only blacks and some other assorted Nafris and some Middle Easterners. There are no subcontinental browns. Also, I really doubt they are complaining about racism in Finland, now I think you’re lying. I believe the fact that they may be affording these people extra privilege like AA, but I wouldn’t say people are complaining about colonialism for a country like finland

  90. Rive Droite says: • Website
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Well, Jakkoo, it’s the same all over Europe.

    Interestingly you don’t hear a lot of talking about how the Turks deserve mass migration and decline and punishment because of Ottoman colonialism.

  91. Rive Droite says: • Website
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    For a starter, “Algeria” is a French invention. There was no country of that name and no “Algerian” people before the French arrived.

    As for the colonial period: It was obviously so bad that Algeria is still largely working thanks to French infrastructure and city planning, not to mention higher education or modern medicine. Actually, the Algerians were so traumatized by French rule, that since indepence millions of them tried to get out of their own country and become French residents/citizens.

    But that’s no more bizarre than a Bengali Canadian demanding justice for former French North Africans.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  92. @El Dato

    Uhh – what have we here – a – profound confusion of all sorts of realities and characters and ethnicities. Where are the real experts, if we are in dire need of one? First of all: I agree with your Miraculix-fix. But then – isn’t Obelix the muscle? And wouldn’t those Celts (“Gallier”) rather resemble the Yello Vests than the Antifa? – Maybe Guillaume Durocher could sort this delicate stuff definitely out?

  93. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Lmao the subcon sponger opens his mouth/anus about something else that he hasn’t read more about than the first five links of his Google search. There may have been 1.5 million total casualties of the war, on all sides, but even that is probably a stretch; and the FLN certainly didn’t commit any of what we call war crimes now or ethnically cleanse Europeans and Jews after the war, right? The Barbary savages had been pillaging and enslaving European coasts for centuries, subjugation was far less than what they should’ve gotten and now their countries are doing fairly well by Mahommedan standards due to being colonized for so long. If they had allowed the Europeans and Jews to stay they would probably be on par with much of Europe.

  94. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    White Canadians have been pozzed for a long time, so what? They didn’t expect a mass infestation of subcon spongers to develop almost overnight. No one in the Western world did. Camp of the Saints turned out to have been optimistic.

  95. @Rive Droite

    Yep, they leave to go to a country that robbed them and destroyed them. A couple token facilities don’t absolve them of anything. How is that an argument? No shizzle. France is in better economic conditions partly due to their looting. So they leave their country to go to a better one, their former colonial overlord. And what does my name have to do with it? You’re not even french and you’re defending them. This is wholly irrelevant to it. The first university was in Fez morocco. Deal with that. The French barely did anything of any use, and they did more harm than good by a long shot. The city planning is dreadful, and its overcrowded and cramped because of the french. Of course new names happen. But there obviously was an algerian people that inhabited those lands. More nonsensial wigger arguments.

    • Replies: @Rive Droite
  96. @Anon

    Paternal side of dad’s & mam’s family directly descended from well-documented Lancashire gentry families from the 1100s. Wives variously well-to-do and similar, or local yeomanry depending on how far down the primogeniture tree we were.
    All (and I mean all, apart from an 18th century Cornishman and some woman from Stoke) my traceable ancestors were, and still are (the living cousins &c.), from the same half-dozen contiguous parishes. (There are a hell of a lot of us round there, both sides).

    Since before America was invented. There are paintings of what the chaps looked like. Like me (until Cromwell stopped us from being posh).
    Until the jet-age, which resulted in my being born at RAF Upwood instead of Eccles or Walton or somewhere nearby, because my parents were compelled to leave the single parish they and all their parents and grandparents were born in and basically become itinerants (with spiffy uniforms though).

    I suspect I’d be awarded 20% African and 12% Ashkenazi.
    Even though it’s quite obviously impossible. Most of us were hiding in the coalmines until Maggie shut ’em.

    tldr; these DNA snake-oil Merchants are inveterate, compulsive liars, and will say anything for cash, or tribal advantage. Disregard.

  97. @BengaliCanadianDude

    “Yep, they leave to go to a country that robbed them and destroyed them. A couple token facilities don’t absolve them of anything. How is that an argument?”
    I find it peculiar, to say the least.

    “And what does my name have to do with it?”
    A Bengali sitting somewhere in Canada rambling about how the French have to pay for their historical sins in North Africa by becoming a shithole – again: peculiar, n’est-ce pas?

    “You’re not even french and you’re defending them.”
    Besides the fact that I have close ties to France: As Jaakko already explained to you, post-colonial demagoguery concerns all Europeans and people who care for European civilization (I fall into both categories).

    “The first university was in Fez morocco. Deal with that.”
    I’m ok with that.

    “The city planning is dreadful, and its overcrowded and cramped because of the french.”
    No wonder. It was modeled after those ghastly French cities, internationally known as hellholes.

    “But there obviously was an algerian people that inhabited those lands.”
    There were people living there, not a people. By the way, after independence Algeria somehow was not willing to tolerate “people that inhabited those lands” whenever said people were of European origin (even though a lot of them were born in those lands, had cultivated the soil, felt at home there – and were, for the most part, not even of French origin).

    So, has Turkey a right to exist after what it did to the peoples of the Balkans? And what kind of mass migration is the appropriate punishment for Mongolia?, you know, Genghis Khan and all that …

    • Agree: Marcus
    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  98. @Rive Droite

    Of course they weren’t going to tolerate colonialist abettors that held them down and treated them like scum in their own lands. Why should they? Of course they expelled all remnants of the colonialist past, which of course these people of French origin were a part of. If you are using your European heritage to act as a counsel for their historical injustices even though you’re not from that background, me being of a subcontinental heritage gives me the privilege of replying, and being on the other side as well.

  99. @Dieter Kief

    Their texts morph into something confusing and boring at the same time. – Makes readers “constantly numb” (cf. Pink Floyd/ The Wall).

    More like “comfortably dumb,” IMHO, but your point is well-taken.

  100. Tex says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Every invader has some specious argument that the invaded deserve their fate because they did something bad to the invader. Just like every invader promises that in the long run the invasion is really a blessing for the conquered.

    Are you fully paid up for the Black Hole of Calcutta? Have you thanked an Englishman for all they did for you? Don’t worry, if it’s up to the invader, you’ve never paid off the debt and there are more improvements coming.

    The Ethiopians had it coming for Adowa (and Mussolini was really an improvement on Haile Selassie). The Iraqis had it coming for 9-11 (and Bush just wanted to bring them democracy).

    You seem to think you are quite clever, but in the end people like you and Mehta make the same arguments as Clive, Mussolini, and Bush. I’ll make a counter-proposition, I have no intention of making my children’s lives crappier because of any fault of me or my ancestors. The guilty can feel guilt, I want my children to have the best future possible. It will not be possible if they become a minority in their own country, ruled by hate-filled invaders like Mehta or you.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  101. @Tex

    The Iraqis had it coming for 9-11 (and Bush just wanted to bring them democracy).

    I’ll just highlight this and press the TROLL button. Just though you should know. Only people totally blindsided to the reality of the matters, and situation on hand, would even have the audacity to suggest such a ludicrous propostion in the face of a barrage of contradictory data which evince the argument that the IraqWar itself was orchestrated to favour the Israeli “state”, and to further incite regional tensions in the region, to divide the steadfast adversaries of Israel, to aid the jews in their messianic anti-goyim plans for a Greater Israel. 911 has been literally confirmed as a coordinated false flag event, upon which a basis for retaliation was estabilished, and upon which a justification for tumultuous, destructive war was initiated.

  102. Anon87 says:
    @Anon

    Agree. Do 2 or even 3 vendors to try to triangluate actual results. Always boost the confidence scores to max, vs. “speculative” reaults (which are there I think for SJW reasons as well as misleading people to think they are more exotic).

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