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In the past, affirmative action for black schoolteachers, especially black male teachers, was usually justified with a Role Model rationale: It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time. (Another reason offered more quietly was the hope that tough black guys could discipline black boys better.)

But lately, the conventional wisdom has been shifting away from that somewhat condescending Role Model rationale toward the remarkably hostile argument that blacks must be given even more special breaks when applying to be teachers because lots and lots of those Obama-voting, MLK-worshipping Nice White Lady schoolteachers are actually secret implicit racists, practically homicidal George Zimmermans. For example, here’s an op-ed by a black teacher in the NYT:

The Real Reason Black Kids Benefit From Black Teachers
By DAVID JACKSON APRIL 15, 2017

For black students, having even one black teacher can make a huge difference. That’s the conclusion of a new study, which found that that black boys who had a black teacher during their elementary school years were less likely to drop out of high school.

Replicate much?

… The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator. But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes, biases and cultural disconnects that fuel inequality and injustice — like the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life.

So all you nice white lady teachers out there, you’re this close to going all George Zimmerman on saintly young Trayvons.

Something must be done about you.

Seriously, the anti-white rhetorical hostility level keeps going up and up, which is of course inevitable if in respectable society whites aren’t allowed to point out when blacks cross the line.

 
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  1. Alice says:

    It plays to my biases.

    The nice, sweet, white teachers now talk feelings with the boys, and when that doesn’t work, their white principals blame the teacher, not the child. The child must not feel safe!

    But black male teachers tells the black boys’ mother that he needs a whuppin’.

    No, not kidding. Heard it myself. Works if you have a black principal backing up the black teacher.

    Maybe if they are told to shape up, some of them do actually shape up.

    Most white teachers are horrified at the thought of the discipline as abuse, so horrified they’d never tell any parent that there’s a problem.

    And of course no white principal or teacher is going to say that ever anymore.

    We can’t even begin to say it’s possible modern progressive discipline methods don’t work on some children.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.
    , @Anonymous
    Modern progressive discipline methods work on very few children - just the white children of Belmont.
    , @Bill
    I think Dave Pinsen's observation is the explanation for Alice's. A timeout is not much of a disincentive to a child who has been scalded with hot water, locked in a closet for hours, or beaten bloody.
    , @Neoconned
    Hey man! Those sinecure jobs are getting scarce!
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  2. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator. But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes…”

    Doesn’t this stereotype whites as those ‘tarnished with biases’? That be ‘racist’.

    Also, if blacks are so understanding of one another, why are most blacks killed by other blacks?

    And why The Nasty Coates usually whupped by other blacks?

    I guess blacks are more effective at knocking ‘sense’ into other blacks.

    For every Trayvon killed by a Zimmerman, 50 are killed by another Trayvon.

    ‘Racism’ is like a teat that must be milked for all occasions.

    “What do I want and how do I justify why I deserve it?” For justification, milk the teat of ‘racism’.

    Anyway…. how about all white kids be taught by whites, all blacks be taught by blacks?

    Personally, I don’t care.

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    • Replies: @Marty
    Used to play basketball in Berkeley with this 6'5" rapper who called himself Primo. One day he announces, "white guys guard white guys!"
    , @Massimo Heitor

    Doesn’t this stereotype whites as those ‘tarnished with biases’?
     
    Of course it does. Worse is this is overt racial discrimination. It's casting the world through a racial lens, seeing people strictly in terms of skin color and race, and advocating public school staffing decisions based overtly on race rather than qualifications as an educator.

    Even worse still is how this is overt systemic voluntary racial segregation. This is arguing that black students benefit from the same ethnicity black teachers and have the right to prefer teachers by same race.

    One of the most widely touted black racial civil rights moments in the US is ending voluntary racial segregation on the parts of whites and the morality that it is wrong for whites to want to keep any identity or affiliation with their ethnic group, but now progressives are advocating for non-whites to have their own exclusive ethnicity, identity, and voluntary racial preferences and segregation.

    It's this naked hypocrisy and lack of any kind of consistent morality that fuels my distaste for progressives and their civil rights agendas.

    The infamous "Lady Justice" (or Iustitia) wears a blindfold and holds a scale to symbolize her impartiality and her fair and consistent application of laws. That type of consistency is completely antithetical to progressives who just bend the meaning their morality, bend their rules, and even twist the meaning of words to facilitate whatever their demographic wants.
    , @ConcernedCitizen
    Based on what you wrote, you need to ask:

    If whites are so understanding of each other, why are most whites killed by other whites?
    SEE how stereotypes work?

    Stop trying to dehumanize black people and act as if white people are so much more decent than others.

    Who was attending lynchings as if they were family entertainment? White people. Who slaughtered Native Americans?

    SEE how that works when you readily point out the flaws in other groups but fail to consider the realities of white people and their violence?
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  3. newrouter says:

    “But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes, biases and cultural disconnects that fuel inequality and injustice”

    I nominate Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas to teach young male black Americans.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    I had a teacher who accepted late assignments without penalty ... if you bribed him with a bottle of Snapple. One bottle for a routine assignment; two or three for, say, a research paper. (Within reason - he wouldn't let you turn in every single assignment on the last day of class, even if you brought him a full case of Snapples. I know this because someone tried, and failed the course.)

    In Clarence Thomas's case, the bribe would be a can of Coke with an extra-special topping.

    In Marion Barry's case, the bribe would be coke. Not the Mexican kind (with real sugar), but 100% pure Colombian.

    , @Joe Schmoe

    I nominate Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas to teach young male black Americans.
     
    I think they will pass on that suggestion.
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  4. BenKenobi says:

    “For the wages of dindoin-nuffin is death.”

    - Saint Skittles, the Innocuous.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Ben, very funny and St Trayvon came along just in time to replace St. Emmit Till, the memory of whom was fading. Have to keep this shit fresh.
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  5. Ivy says:

    Current teachers will retire while they still have access to a viable pension plan, which is no longer a sure thing in many areas. Potential teachers will be dissuaded. Look for a dumbing-down, offset somewhat by more virtual reality applications. Also look for more calls for military schools.

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    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @map
    What's needed is African boarding schools...in Africa.
    , @Lagertha
    Everything you state is happening. I found it interesting (over the past 8 years) that the UCal system has a link that lets an applicant state that they consider teaching( at the HS level). My sons considered clicking that (they were seriously, OOS, which has a 3% acceptance rate) bc they really wanted to get in UCSD or UCSB...even, for Chrissakes, UCB! But, bc they are Lagertha's Lutheran sons, they could not lie. My sons have always had trouble embellishing, lying, bragging, self-aggrandizing. If that is not the true value of a Finn (half), well, nothing is. But, Finns are still considered the dim-wits of The North!
    , @3g4me
    One could hardly dumb-down public schoolteachers any further than they already are. Education majors have the lowest SAT scores, lowest GRE scores, and are generally full-to-the-brim with the latest "learning theories," none of which work. While fully aware of all these things, I was still astonished by the absolute ignorance and vapidity of those education majors I knew as an undergrad, and found all those "fully certified" teachers my sons' Christian schools boasted of to be far inferior to the older teachers without such rarified credentials.
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  6. The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator.

    The whole quotation is full of silliness. Anyone with African ancestry in the US is designated as “black” regardless of the color of their skin, whether they be light beige like one of my daughters or very dark brown like the other. Has this teacher never noticed that “black” as used racially in the English language is only tangentially related to skin color. (In fact almost no one has black skin, only various shades of brown, a small percentage of which approach black–it is usually the hair that is black, more or less.)

    Will the schools be employing color matching machines like they have in the paint department at Walmart to get the best possible matches so that students of a certain skin tone will be grouped with similarly tinted teachers?

    Trayvon Martin a cute little boy with skittles? So why had his teachers kicked him out of school in Miami for him to be in Orlando at the time of his death?

    The thing about the black boys who have a black teacher in elementary school sounds pretty amazing (and unlikely). It would be interesting to know if the the study results could be replicated in, I don’t know, Jamaica. But even if it is true, does it reflect on racism on the part of the teachers or the students?

    Having read the whole of the article, I must say the teacher does sound well intentioned.

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    • Replies: @anon
    As to what you say about your daughters being regarded as 'black' why was brown-skinned Zimmerman called "white"?
    , @Brutusale
    In these days of a virtual rainbow of racial/gender identity, nothing but a PMS book will do!

    http://www.pantone.com/formula-guide?gclid=Cj0KEQjw2-bHBRDEh6qk5b6yqKIBEiQAFUz29gtzfKTeGHhaK0AbF5TKa94LMJHA86fwe2lR8TkmNwMaAi-s8P8HAQ
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  7. The Z Blog says: • Website

    I don’t think it can do anything but reach the logical end point. Interesting, blacks seem to be a few clicks ahead of the white Progs in carrying forward the logic of the Left. If the gap between black and white is due to racism, and all efforts to address that racism have not closed the gap, then maybe the time for negotiating is over. It’s now time to settle things the old fashioned way.

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    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    We just might be on the verge of settling things yhe old-fashioned way in the US.
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  8. Arclight says:

    Our betters in the political and media realms enthusiastically promote hatred towards whites that directed towards any other segment of society would kick off an orgy of PSAs, YouTube videos with a series of celebrities earnestly echoing each other’s words in to the camera, lectures from Barack Obama (PBUH) about how that’s ‘not who we are’, and a slew of Oscar bait feature films, possibly another terrible single from Macklemore.

    Unfortunately, in this day and age there is at least a plurality of the population that will swallow garbage like this, including a ton of ‘educators’ and politicians who get to instruct ordinary people and their children on how they are supposed to view the world, lest they be drummed out of polite society.

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  9. Steve I give you a lot of shit but I think you and me are of the same mind in that we thought that the Nov election would have turned down some of this rhetoric.

    And now you’re watching the AR chase communists through Berkeley. Where do you see this ending?

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  10. You could call it anti-white rhetoric if you like, and it certainly manifests as that.

    But, isn’t this really a plea for patronage jobs for black teachers?

    Seems to me to be a rather pathetic admission that blacks don’t think they can cut it on the merits, so they need the government to enforce a patronage system to ensure they get the jobs.

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    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    As long as affirmative action Negro teachers are restricted to teaching Negro students, I could care less.
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  11. ‘saintly young Trayvons’, nice one

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  12. If it’s better to have teachers of your own race then what about the white students who have to put up with these less qualified but also non white teachers? Surely the system only really works if there is segregation.

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  13. Curle says:

    Remind me, how do we know that Zimmerman found Trayvon ‘dangerously’ suspicious and was it before or after Trayvon began pounding George’s head into the pavement?

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  14. Yan Shen says:

    Speaking of uh Nice White Ladies, the good old days of Mad TV…

    “With all due respect sir, I’m a white lady. I can do anything.”

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I probably got the idea from that Mad TV sketch.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Ironically, the Asian guy has a pen... he has a pistol... ugh! pistol-pen...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct6BUPvE2sM

    You're welcome.
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  15. … the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life.

    On that fatal evening, Trayvon Martin bought Skittles and Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail in order to mix them with Codeine. This concoction was called Purple Drank (aka Lean, aka Sizzrup), which Martin would sip slowly to intoxicate himself.

    Martin’s fascination with Purple Drank began seriously at about the end of June 2011, when he subscribed to the YouTube log of Purple Drank addict Andy Milonakis. Martin’s subscription coincided roughly with Milonakis’s upload, on June 21, 2011, of a rap-music video that Milonakis himself had created.

    Milonakis’s video is titled “Red Lean Purple Lean” and is illustrated by photographs of bottles full of Promethazine Codeine and drinking cups full of Purple Drank (aka Red Lean Purple Lean).

    Inspired by Milonakis’s anthem, Martin conducted a Facebook conversation with a friend named MacKenzie six days later, on June 27. Martin asked MacKenzie to help him obtain prescription-strength Codeine to make Lean (i.e. Purple Drank).

    The effects of chronic Codeine abuse have been described as follows:

    … High doses are dissociative in the sense of causing a separation from one’s body and are sometimes compared to the effects of other dissociatives such as PCP or ketamine. … Psychological effects can include profound disorientation, depression, a feeling of personal disintegration, or a feeling of “unreality” and disconnection that may persist for days. Chronic use may cause depression, psychological dependency, and possibly brain damage. Large doses may be associated with psychotic breaks. …

    Martin’s fascination with abusing Codeine began in June 2011, and he was killed in February 2012, so his abuse might have continued for more than a half year. By mixing Codeine with Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles and sipping it addictively, he was chronically consuming up to 25 times the recommended maximum dosage.

    Martin viciously attacked George Zimmerman, a neighborhood-watch volunteer because Martin perceived bizarrely that Zimmerman was a “creepy-ass cracker” (a creepy White person) or a “creepy ass-cracker” (a creepy homosexual).

    Martin ambushed Zimmerman, pushed him to the ground and repeatedly punched his face and beat the back of his skull into a concrete sidewalk.

    Fortunately, however, Zimmerman was carrying a pistol and so was able to save his own life by shooting the Purple-Drank-crazed Trayvon Martin to death.

    ——-

    The above information is excerpted from an article that I wrote titled “Trayvon Martin was paranoid because of Purple Drank”.

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/10/trayvon-martin-was-paranoid-because-of.html

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    [Trayvon] Martin’s fascination with abusing Codeine began in June 2011, and he was killed in February 2012, so his abuse might have continued for more than a half year. By mixing Codeine with Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles and sipping it addictively, he was chronically consuming up to 25 times the recommended maximum dosage.
     
    The most expensive ingredient in Martin's Purple Drank was Promethazine Codeine. The cash price for a 240-millimeter bottle was around $23. The juice and candy to accompany such a bottle would raise the cost to, say, $30. So, sipping Purple Drank all day, every day, is a habit that costs some money.

    Martin was a high-school student who did not have a known wage-earning job. Martin earned money by burglarizing homes. In late October 2011 -- the exact date is unknown -- he was detained because he had vandalized lockers in a restricted room in his high school. The School Resource Officer searched Martin's backpack and found at least 12 items of ladies jewelry, a man’s watch, and a flat-head screwdriver described as “a burglary tool”.

    When Trayvon was questioned about who owned the jewelry and where it came from, he claimed he was just holding it for a “friend”, whom he would not name.

    On October 21 -- before Martin was detained in the school -- a home was burglarized a few blocks from the high school. The items found in Martin's backpack, as described in School Police Report 2011-11477, match the items stolen from the home, as described in Miami-Dade Police Report PD111021-422483.

    However, because the school district was trying to minimize the disciplining of African-American students, the school police report was not forwarded to the local police department. Instead, the items in Martin's backpack were classified as merely "found items" and were placed in a lost-and-found property room.

    After Martin was killed in February 2012, the incident involving his backpack was investigated and was revealed to the public. Eventually the items found in Martin's backpack were located in the property room and returned to the family whose home had been burglarized.

    To understand Martin's behavior, the following considerations are important.

    * Trayvon Martin was addicted to Purple Drank, a Codeine concoction.

    * One consequence of his addiction was that he became paranoid, which made him belligerent.

    * Another consequence of his addiction was that he burglarized homes in order to earn the money to buy the Purple Drank ingredients.

    * The final consequence of his addiction was his paranoia and belligerence caused him to attack George Zimmerman, who had noticed him casing homes to burglarize.

    ------

    The above information is excerpted from an article I wrote, titled "Trayvon Martin paid for Purple Drank by burglarizing".

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/12/trayvon-martin-paid-for-purple-drank-by.html
    , @guest
    I'm quite detached from hip-hop culture, but even I had heard bout "Purple Drank" before the the Martyrdom of St. Trayvon of the Skittles. The candy was mentioned early an often, presumably because candy is associated with children. Not until well into the hoopla did I hear about the watermelon drink, which previously had been described simply as iced tea. Immediately the popular drug cocktail came to my lilly-white brain.

    My question: did the MSM lie about it because of the Purple Drank angle, or was it because they didn't want to perpetuate the stereotype about black people liking watermelons?

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  16. Alfa158 says:

    The anti-White rhetorical hostility keeps ramping up and up because non-Whites and other Leftists feel they have won the war and have been forced to resort to flame-throwers and other brutal weapons in order to exterminate the last intransigent fanatics in their bunkers and spider-holes.
    Who knows, maybe they’re right, but I at least, don’t feel beaten.

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    • Replies: @WGG
    Well white students benefit from having white teachers, too. Black students, black teachers... White students, white teachers. It's almost like separate but equal was superior to lowest common denominator, crabs-in-a-bucket style diversity.
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  17. Dr. X says:

    OK, let me get this straight… if black kids benefit from having black teachers, then logically it would follow that white kids would benefit from having white teachers, so…. therefore we should have segregated schools? Q.E.D., Brown v. Board must be reversed!

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    • Agree: NickG, MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Bubba
    Great insight and well reasoned! I hope Brown v Board eventually goes down in flames along with the Civil Rights Act which completely destroyed the Right to Associate and led to White Flight (which still continues relentlessly).
    , @Desiderius
    White lives don't matter.
    , @David
    It says "a black teacher." I took it to mean that if a student has only one black teacher, he's probably not black, and so is more likely to graduate. No information on the prospects of black boys with 5 or 6 black teachers.
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  18. @Mike Sylwester

    ... the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life.
     
    On that fatal evening, Trayvon Martin bought Skittles and Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail in order to mix them with Codeine. This concoction was called Purple Drank (aka Lean, aka Sizzrup), which Martin would sip slowly to intoxicate himself.

    Martin's fascination with Purple Drank began seriously at about the end of June 2011, when he subscribed to the YouTube log of Purple Drank addict Andy Milonakis. Martin’s subscription coincided roughly with Milonakis’s upload, on June 21, 2011, of a rap-music video that Milonakis himself had created.

    Milonakis's video is titled "Red Lean Purple Lean" and is illustrated by photographs of bottles full of Promethazine Codeine and drinking cups full of Purple Drank (aka Red Lean Purple Lean).

    Inspired by Milonakis’s anthem, Martin conducted a Facebook conversation with a friend named MacKenzie six days later, on June 27. Martin asked MacKenzie to help him obtain prescription-strength Codeine to make Lean (i.e. Purple Drank).

    The effects of chronic Codeine abuse have been described as follows:


    ... High doses are dissociative in the sense of causing a separation from one’s body and are sometimes compared to the effects of other dissociatives such as PCP or ketamine. ... Psychological effects can include profound disorientation, depression, a feeling of personal disintegration, or a feeling of “unreality” and disconnection that may persist for days. Chronic use may cause depression, psychological dependency, and possibly brain damage. Large doses may be associated with psychotic breaks. …
     
    Martin's fascination with abusing Codeine began in June 2011, and he was killed in February 2012, so his abuse might have continued for more than a half year. By mixing Codeine with Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles and sipping it addictively, he was chronically consuming up to 25 times the recommended maximum dosage.

    Martin viciously attacked George Zimmerman, a neighborhood-watch volunteer because Martin perceived bizarrely that Zimmerman was a "creepy-ass cracker" (a creepy White person) or a "creepy ass-cracker" (a creepy homosexual).

    Martin ambushed Zimmerman, pushed him to the ground and repeatedly punched his face and beat the back of his skull into a concrete sidewalk.

    Fortunately, however, Zimmerman was carrying a pistol and so was able to save his own life by shooting the Purple-Drank-crazed Trayvon Martin to death.

    -------

    The above information is excerpted from an article that I wrote titled "Trayvon Martin was paranoid because of Purple Drank".

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/10/trayvon-martin-was-paranoid-because-of.html

    [Trayvon] Martin’s fascination with abusing Codeine began in June 2011, and he was killed in February 2012, so his abuse might have continued for more than a half year. By mixing Codeine with Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles and sipping it addictively, he was chronically consuming up to 25 times the recommended maximum dosage.

    The most expensive ingredient in Martin’s Purple Drank was Promethazine Codeine. The cash price for a 240-millimeter bottle was around $23. The juice and candy to accompany such a bottle would raise the cost to, say, $30. So, sipping Purple Drank all day, every day, is a habit that costs some money.

    Martin was a high-school student who did not have a known wage-earning job. Martin earned money by burglarizing homes. In late October 2011 — the exact date is unknown — he was detained because he had vandalized lockers in a restricted room in his high school. The School Resource Officer searched Martin’s backpack and found at least 12 items of ladies jewelry, a man’s watch, and a flat-head screwdriver described as “a burglary tool”.

    When Trayvon was questioned about who owned the jewelry and where it came from, he claimed he was just holding it for a “friend”, whom he would not name.

    On October 21 — before Martin was detained in the school — a home was burglarized a few blocks from the high school. The items found in Martin’s backpack, as described in School Police Report 2011-11477, match the items stolen from the home, as described in Miami-Dade Police Report PD111021-422483.

    However, because the school district was trying to minimize the disciplining of African-American students, the school police report was not forwarded to the local police department. Instead, the items in Martin’s backpack were classified as merely “found items” and were placed in a lost-and-found property room.

    After Martin was killed in February 2012, the incident involving his backpack was investigated and was revealed to the public. Eventually the items found in Martin’s backpack were located in the property room and returned to the family whose home had been burglarized.

    To understand Martin’s behavior, the following considerations are important.

    * Trayvon Martin was addicted to Purple Drank, a Codeine concoction.

    * One consequence of his addiction was that he became paranoid, which made him belligerent.

    * Another consequence of his addiction was that he burglarized homes in order to earn the money to buy the Purple Drank ingredients.

    * The final consequence of his addiction was his paranoia and belligerence caused him to attack George Zimmerman, who had noticed him casing homes to burglarize.

    ——

    The above information is excerpted from an article I wrote, titled “Trayvon Martin paid for Purple Drank by burglarizing”.

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/12/trayvon-martin-paid-for-purple-drank-by.html

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    ... the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life.
     
    Trayvon Martin appeared to be casing homes to burglarize. He actually was a burglar, and he looked like a burglar on that particular evening.

    The sky was dark and rainy, and he was walking not on the sidewalk, but rather on the lawns so that he could be close enough to the homes to look into their windows.

    Martin's parents were away, and he was home alone with a younger brother. Supposedly they were watching a basketball game, and during half-time Martin went to a store to buy Skittles for the sweet-tooth brother. Of course, the Skittles were not for the brother. Rather, the Skittles were for Martin's own Purple Drank, a Codeine concoction to which Martin was addicted.

    Martin did not hurry home from the store to continue watching the basketball game with his younger brother. Rather, Martin waited for the sky to become dark and rainy enough that he could case homes to burglarize in the housing development where he was staying temporarily.

    Martin's mother had kicked him out of her home and sent him to live with his father. Martin was deciding which home to burglarize in the housing development where his father lived.

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    The store's closed-circuit camera recorded Martin paying the cashier for the candy and juice at 6:24 p.m.

    Instead of walking directly home to make his Purple Drank, however, he waited until the sky became dark.

    First, he stayed right in front of the store and asked three men to buy him a cigar that he could use to make a marijuana blunt. (Martin was too young to buy the cigar himself.) By the time the three men bought the cigar and gave it to Martin and then he walked away from the store's front, the time had become 6:30.

    The distance from the store to the apartment complex was about a half-mile, so Martin could have reached the complex by about 6:40 -- a normal walking pace is three miles an hour, so a half-mile is ten minutes.

    However, Martin apparently found a nearby place, covered from the rain, and smoked his blunt for a half-hour. He did not enter the apartment complex until about 7:05 p.m. A few minutes later, Zimmerman saw Martin casing homes there to burglarize.

    The main reason why Martin dawdled for that half-hour was that he was waiting for the sky to turn dark enough for him to case homes without being seen. When Martin entered the apartment complex at 7:05, the sky was turning from civil twilight into nautical twilight. The sky turned dark a few minutes earlier than normal because of the clouds and rain

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    The above information is excerpted from an article I wrote, titled "Trayvon Martin waited for darkness before casing homes to burglarize".

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/12/trayvon-martin-waited-for-darkness.html
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  19. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The implicit promise of Civil Rights and AA was that all this could be fine-tuned. But it turns out, nah, no way, it is obvious that for an awful lot of people in the end it just amounts to who is on top and who is not. As someone once said, who, whom?

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  20. affirmative action for black schoolteachers, especially black male teachers, was usually justified with a Role Model rationale: It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time.

    And see black school teachers (and black school administrators) cheat on teacher certifications exams and NCLB student testing.

    I’m too lazy to look up the links but there are dozens of them – Atlanta, TN, DC, NYC, MA, etc.

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-atlanta-educators-convicted-cheating-scandal-article-1.2170446

    " to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time."
    That will only work if everybody is on CPT .
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  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Since we currently have another black self-described serial killer, doing some real fancy-pants serial killing live on Facebook, and is currently on the loose…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4416996/Cops-hunt-man-shot-killed-man-Facebook-Live.html

    has anyone got some good stats on black serial killers in the United States, and how they compare on a percentage basis with other races? I suspect black serial killers are not getting all the credit they deserve.

    I’ve always suspected that many black serial killers are never identified, much less caught, who practice their craft in traditionally popular black killing fields such as Chicago and Baltimore.

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.

    I recall reading a recent article in which an LA detective noted that there are far more operating serial killers floating about the city than the public would care to know, and will likely never be caught.

    Anybody got recent stats?

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    A lady freelance journalist in L.A. (Pelisek?) about a decade ago figure out that the new serial killer in town was actually an old one who had stopped for a decade or two: the Grim Sleeper.

    After that, the LAPD went through their cold cases and figured out that there had been at least 5 serial killers active in South Central LA, the Grim Sleeper and four other who had been imprisoned later in other states, who had killed about 100 crack whores among them in the 1980s and 1990s without anybody noticing they were serial killers. Everybody just assumed it was some crack gang thing like all the other killings. One of the five was white, the other four black.

    So, yeah, a Ted Bundy (who attended a Republican national convention as a Nelson Rockefeller supporter) type is more likely to get media and police attention than a Grim Sleeper type serial killer.

    But, it's still likely that the black serial killer percentage is well below the black run of the mill killer percentage. It's possible that the really overrepresented ethnicity among serial killers are Juan Corona-style Hispanics, but nobody has much looked into this.

    , @anon
    Here is one most people don't know. He is the most prolific serial killer is US history , having killed and raped 11 prostitutes in a span of only 9 months. This was in 1991 -1992. Benjamin Atkins was black as ink.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Atkins
    , @Whoever
    Scroll down to page six for data by race.
    Serial Killer Statistics
    , @Rod1963

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.
     
    On a somewhat related case. about a decade back or so there was a enterprising unemployed young man who harvested black drug dealers for money and buried the remains. IMS he killed something like 14 of them and no one noticed, not even the cops.

    What finally got him, is taht he decided to upgrade to white professionals - namely dentists and that's what busted him. The amusing thing was the community thought he did them a great service by eradicating the drug dealers.

    The case got very little national attention for some reason.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, Google "Zebra Killers" for a group of blacks that stalked and killed whites only in San Francisco/Bay Area in the 60s. I think today they would be labeled as terrorists not serial killers. There was very little coverage of these murders which, IIRC, occurred around the time of the Zodiac killer.
    , @3g4me
    La Griffe du lion has a post exploring this with lots of graphs and numbers. Tl;dr: Blacks are seriously over-represented among serial killers per their proportion of the population.

    " Serial murder lends itself nicely to the analytical methods developed here provided suitable data are available. Only a few systematic accounts of the race and ethnicity of serial killers exist. There is an exhaustive study of African American serial killers (Homicide Studies 2005; 9; 271) by criminologist Anthony Walsh, and also Eric W. Hickey's book, Serial killers and their victims, Brooks/Cole, 1997. That's about it.

    Walsh identified 90 African American and 323 white American serial murderers, all men operating between 1945 and 2004. (Though Asians, Hispanics and Native Americans were not included in the study, their addition would not alter the fact that most serial killers are white men.) African American serial killers made up 22% of Walsh's sample, a figure in close agreement Hickey's enumeration. But, as blacks number well below 22% of the U.S. population, they are actually overrepresented among the ranks of serial killers -- roughly by a factor of 2.

    So, why are most serial killers white men? The short answer is that serial murder is primarily a male enterprise, and in the U.S. white men outnumber black men seven to one. The long answer, however, is instructive**.

    The ratio of black to white criminal offenders generally increases with the progression from passive white collar crime to pernicious violent crime. In 2003, for example, blacks were imprisoned for violent crimes at approximately 7 times the per capita rate of whites, but only 4 times the white rate for property crimes. Serial murder, by any reckoning, ranks at the top of this progression. Consequently, black serial murderers should, per capita, outnumber their white counterparts by at least a factor of seven. In actuality, the factor is closer to two. The appropriate question, then, is not why most serial killers are white men, but rather why black men are only twice as likely as white men to be serial murderers. Criminality distributions provide the answer. The mean criminality of black males is almost 1.3 SD greater than the white. But, with a black-to-white variance ratio of 0.46, white men display much greater variability. A symmetric way to view this is in terms of black homogeneity rather than white variability. Either way, at the extraordinarily high level of criminality peculiar to the serial murderer, white representation increases. We explore this in more detail in the next section. "

    The entire post is worth reading: serial killers

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  22. res says:

    Some interesting wording in that paper (emphasis mine here and below):

    Using longitudinal administrative data on all public school students in North Carolina, we show that black students who are as good as randomly assigned to a black teacher at least once in the third, fourth, or fifth grades are more likely to aspire to college and less likely to drop out of high school.

    I don’t have the patience or background to wade through their methods to determine validity, but a quick skim did not give me warm fuzzies (e.g. “we calculate the share of teachers who are black among grade 3-5 teachers that a student would potentially encounter if they progressed through grades 3, 4, and 5 in the same school in the course of three academic years”). Any other opinions?

    The WaPo had a recent article on this paper as well: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/04/09/study-black-students-from-poor-families-are-more-likely-to-graduate-high-school-if-they-have-at-least-one-black-teacher/

    But isn’t the logical conclusion of this research that we should go back to segregated schools with teachers of the same race?

    Back to the real world, why can’t we just have some of these educational researchers start a charter school implementing their ideas in a majority black area? Then if it works expand the program.

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    But isn’t the logical conclusion of this research that we should go back to segregated schools with teachers of the same race?
     
    Let's match this with the study that showed Black kids do better in majority White schools and mandate White majority in Black run schools. Progress!
    , @Forbes
    Doesn't pass the smell test. It's data mining.

    What is the operative condition that causes a black student, having once had a black teacher in grades 3, 4, or 5, to be "more likely to aspire to college and less likely to drop out of high school"?

    Like Magic Dirt, has Magic Air been discovered?
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  23. WGG says:
    @Alfa158
    The anti-White rhetorical hostility keeps ramping up and up because non-Whites and other Leftists feel they have won the war and have been forced to resort to flame-throwers and other brutal weapons in order to exterminate the last intransigent fanatics in their bunkers and spider-holes.
    Who knows, maybe they're right, but I at least, don't feel beaten.

    Well white students benefit from having white teachers, too. Black students, black teachers… White students, white teachers. It’s almost like separate but equal was superior to lowest common denominator, crabs-in-a-bucket style diversity.

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  24. No, it’s more likely that they’re just as sick of the newly-minted SJWs lousing up their schools as the rest of us are.

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  25. the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life

    (a) he was in fact dangerously suspicious, whatever he was carrying.

    (b) see also: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/be-a-skittles-man/

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  26. anon says: • Disclaimer

    There would be a lot more black schoolteachers if so many of them didn’t fail the certification tests that many bright high school students could pass. But New York state is working on fixing that problem…

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    Problem fixed:
    Academic Literacy Skills Test (ALST) .
    As of March 14, 2017, candidates for teacher certification will no longer be required to take and pass the ALST for certification.

    Literacy no longer needed to teach in New York State

    https://www.nystce.nesinc.com/TestView.aspx?f=HTML_FRAG/NY202_TestPage.html

    Substitution of Experience for Student Teaching

    http://www.highered.nysed.gov/tcert/certificate/ot11.html

    New York City as alternative licensing. There is away around every requirement:

    http://www.teachercertificationdegrees.com/certification/new-york-alternative/

    NYC actively getting rid of all white teachers:
    In January 2015, Mayor Bill de Blasio, in conjunction with New York City's Young Men's Initiative, made a bold pledge: NYC will develop new initiatives and programs aiming to put an additional 1,000 men of color on course to become NYC public school teachers over the next three years.

    The Young Men's Initiative, together with Department of Education, City University of New York, Center for Economic Opportunity, and Teach for America, excitedly announces the launch of NYC Men Teach to recruit and unite Black, Latino and Asian men committed to educating today's diverse student population; supporting each other's professional and leadership development; and to empowering the communities they serve.

    The joke of the day:
    Equal Employment Opportunity Statement
    NYC Men Teach does not discriminate based on race or gender. All programs and activities of the NYC Men Teach program are open to all eligible applicants, without regard to race, gender, national origin or other characteristic protected by law.

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  27. @Yan Shen
    Speaking of uh Nice White Ladies, the good old days of Mad TV...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVF-nirSq5s

    "With all due respect sir, I'm a white lady. I can do anything."

    I probably got the idea from that Mad TV sketch.

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  28. @Mike Sylwester

    [Trayvon] Martin’s fascination with abusing Codeine began in June 2011, and he was killed in February 2012, so his abuse might have continued for more than a half year. By mixing Codeine with Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles and sipping it addictively, he was chronically consuming up to 25 times the recommended maximum dosage.
     
    The most expensive ingredient in Martin's Purple Drank was Promethazine Codeine. The cash price for a 240-millimeter bottle was around $23. The juice and candy to accompany such a bottle would raise the cost to, say, $30. So, sipping Purple Drank all day, every day, is a habit that costs some money.

    Martin was a high-school student who did not have a known wage-earning job. Martin earned money by burglarizing homes. In late October 2011 -- the exact date is unknown -- he was detained because he had vandalized lockers in a restricted room in his high school. The School Resource Officer searched Martin's backpack and found at least 12 items of ladies jewelry, a man’s watch, and a flat-head screwdriver described as “a burglary tool”.

    When Trayvon was questioned about who owned the jewelry and where it came from, he claimed he was just holding it for a “friend”, whom he would not name.

    On October 21 -- before Martin was detained in the school -- a home was burglarized a few blocks from the high school. The items found in Martin's backpack, as described in School Police Report 2011-11477, match the items stolen from the home, as described in Miami-Dade Police Report PD111021-422483.

    However, because the school district was trying to minimize the disciplining of African-American students, the school police report was not forwarded to the local police department. Instead, the items in Martin's backpack were classified as merely "found items" and were placed in a lost-and-found property room.

    After Martin was killed in February 2012, the incident involving his backpack was investigated and was revealed to the public. Eventually the items found in Martin's backpack were located in the property room and returned to the family whose home had been burglarized.

    To understand Martin's behavior, the following considerations are important.

    * Trayvon Martin was addicted to Purple Drank, a Codeine concoction.

    * One consequence of his addiction was that he became paranoid, which made him belligerent.

    * Another consequence of his addiction was that he burglarized homes in order to earn the money to buy the Purple Drank ingredients.

    * The final consequence of his addiction was his paranoia and belligerence caused him to attack George Zimmerman, who had noticed him casing homes to burglarize.

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    The above information is excerpted from an article I wrote, titled "Trayvon Martin paid for Purple Drank by burglarizing".

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/12/trayvon-martin-paid-for-purple-drank-by.html

    … the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life.

    Trayvon Martin appeared to be casing homes to burglarize. He actually was a burglar, and he looked like a burglar on that particular evening.

    The sky was dark and rainy, and he was walking not on the sidewalk, but rather on the lawns so that he could be close enough to the homes to look into their windows.

    Martin’s parents were away, and he was home alone with a younger brother. Supposedly they were watching a basketball game, and during half-time Martin went to a store to buy Skittles for the sweet-tooth brother. Of course, the Skittles were not for the brother. Rather, the Skittles were for Martin’s own Purple Drank, a Codeine concoction to which Martin was addicted.

    Martin did not hurry home from the store to continue watching the basketball game with his younger brother. Rather, Martin waited for the sky to become dark and rainy enough that he could case homes to burglarize in the housing development where he was staying temporarily.

    Martin’s mother had kicked him out of her home and sent him to live with his father. Martin was deciding which home to burglarize in the housing development where his father lived.

    —–

    The store’s closed-circuit camera recorded Martin paying the cashier for the candy and juice at 6:24 p.m.

    Instead of walking directly home to make his Purple Drank, however, he waited until the sky became dark.

    First, he stayed right in front of the store and asked three men to buy him a cigar that he could use to make a marijuana blunt. (Martin was too young to buy the cigar himself.) By the time the three men bought the cigar and gave it to Martin and then he walked away from the store’s front, the time had become 6:30.

    The distance from the store to the apartment complex was about a half-mile, so Martin could have reached the complex by about 6:40 — a normal walking pace is three miles an hour, so a half-mile is ten minutes.

    However, Martin apparently found a nearby place, covered from the rain, and smoked his blunt for a half-hour. He did not enter the apartment complex until about 7:05 p.m. A few minutes later, Zimmerman saw Martin casing homes there to burglarize.

    The main reason why Martin dawdled for that half-hour was that he was waiting for the sky to turn dark enough for him to case homes without being seen. When Martin entered the apartment complex at 7:05, the sky was turning from civil twilight into nautical twilight. The sky turned dark a few minutes earlier than normal because of the clouds and rain

    —–

    The above information is excerpted from an article I wrote, titled “Trayvon Martin waited for darkness before casing homes to burglarize”.

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/12/trayvon-martin-waited-for-darkness.html

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    Do you have any background on Tracey Martin? He's always been in the background compared to Sabrina Fulton. I've never heard any description of employment, background or anything other than 'father of Trayvon Martin'.
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  29. @Anonymous
    Since we currently have another black self-described serial killer, doing some real fancy-pants serial killing live on Facebook, and is currently on the loose...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4416996/Cops-hunt-man-shot-killed-man-Facebook-Live.html

    has anyone got some good stats on black serial killers in the United States, and how they compare on a percentage basis with other races? I suspect black serial killers are not getting all the credit they deserve.

    I've always suspected that many black serial killers are never identified, much less caught, who practice their craft in traditionally popular black killing fields such as Chicago and Baltimore.

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.

    I recall reading a recent article in which an LA detective noted that there are far more operating serial killers floating about the city than the public would care to know, and will likely never be caught.

    Anybody got recent stats?

    A lady freelance journalist in L.A. (Pelisek?) about a decade ago figure out that the new serial killer in town was actually an old one who had stopped for a decade or two: the Grim Sleeper.

    After that, the LAPD went through their cold cases and figured out that there had been at least 5 serial killers active in South Central LA, the Grim Sleeper and four other who had been imprisoned later in other states, who had killed about 100 crack whores among them in the 1980s and 1990s without anybody noticing they were serial killers. Everybody just assumed it was some crack gang thing like all the other killings. One of the five was white, the other four black.

    So, yeah, a Ted Bundy (who attended a Republican national convention as a Nelson Rockefeller supporter) type is more likely to get media and police attention than a Grim Sleeper type serial killer.

    But, it’s still likely that the black serial killer percentage is well below the black run of the mill killer percentage. It’s possible that the really overrepresented ethnicity among serial killers are Juan Corona-style Hispanics, but nobody has much looked into this.

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    But, it’s still likely that the black serial killer percentage is well below the black run of the mill killer percentage. It’s possible that the really overrepresented ethnicity among serial killers are Juan Corona-style Hispanics, but nobody has much looked into this.
     
    Oh... I don't know about that. It doesn't even stand to reason because if you look at the overall atrocities going on in Sub Saharan Africa, serial killing isn't a significant deviation from the black cultural norm.

    You've said before that we might be underestimating African culture's influence on American black culture related to American black men's proclivity to impregnate assorted women without supporting or raising them, just like men in Sub Saharan Africa.

    Why shouldn't existential atrocities follow along with other black cultural habits from across the Atlantic?

    Check out page 6:

    http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, Anthony Sowell killed 11 black women in Cleveland, most of whom were addicts and prostitutes. He disposed of most of their bodies in his house and yard and eventually the stench led to a closer investigation of him.
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  30. Bubba says:
    @Dr. X
    OK, let me get this straight... if black kids benefit from having black teachers, then logically it would follow that white kids would benefit from having white teachers, so.... therefore we should have segregated schools? Q.E.D., Brown v. Board must be reversed!

    Great insight and well reasoned! I hope Brown v Board eventually goes down in flames along with the Civil Rights Act which completely destroyed the Right to Associate and led to White Flight (which still continues relentlessly).

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    "I hope Brown v Board eventually goes down in flames along with the Civil Rights Act which completely destroyed the Right to Associate and led to White Flight (which still continues relentlessly)."

    Except southrons could not even provide the same funding for white and black schools under the Plessy case. The lawyers for the plaintiff brought in financial records and sociological data (e.g. test scores, incarceration rates) demonstrating clearly the discrepancies. Even white southerners who sought to have "equal" funding and teaching training were shot down by their southrons claiming their efforts were "progressive" and would lead to "unnecessary competition". So, no, the Brown case and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 aren't going to be overturned or rescinded.

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.
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  31. Marty says:
    @Anon
    "The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator. But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes..."

    Doesn't this stereotype whites as those 'tarnished with biases'? That be 'racist'.

    Also, if blacks are so understanding of one another, why are most blacks killed by other blacks?

    And why The Nasty Coates usually whupped by other blacks?

    I guess blacks are more effective at knocking 'sense' into other blacks.

    For every Trayvon killed by a Zimmerman, 50 are killed by another Trayvon.

    'Racism' is like a teat that must be milked for all occasions.

    "What do I want and how do I justify why I deserve it?" For justification, milk the teat of 'racism'.

    Anyway.... how about all white kids be taught by whites, all blacks be taught by blacks?

    Personally, I don't care.

    Used to play basketball in Berkeley with this 6’5″ rapper who called himself Primo. One day he announces, “white guys guard white guys!”

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  32. JohnnyD says:

    If Trump starts eulogizing Trayvon Martin, and saying how he was such a “great kid,” then we’ll know that Trump is a lost cause.

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  33. @Dr. X
    OK, let me get this straight... if black kids benefit from having black teachers, then logically it would follow that white kids would benefit from having white teachers, so.... therefore we should have segregated schools? Q.E.D., Brown v. Board must be reversed!

    White lives don’t matter.

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  34. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The counterpoint though is that this does in fact replicate.

    No seriously, I await Ed Realist’s comments because he’s been banging this exact drum for years, and I don’t think we can call “Education Realist” a NYT-style liberal.

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  35. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Since we currently have another black self-described serial killer, doing some real fancy-pants serial killing live on Facebook, and is currently on the loose...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4416996/Cops-hunt-man-shot-killed-man-Facebook-Live.html

    has anyone got some good stats on black serial killers in the United States, and how they compare on a percentage basis with other races? I suspect black serial killers are not getting all the credit they deserve.

    I've always suspected that many black serial killers are never identified, much less caught, who practice their craft in traditionally popular black killing fields such as Chicago and Baltimore.

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.

    I recall reading a recent article in which an LA detective noted that there are far more operating serial killers floating about the city than the public would care to know, and will likely never be caught.

    Anybody got recent stats?

    Here is one most people don’t know. He is the most prolific serial killer is US history , having killed and raped 11 prostitutes in a span of only 9 months. This was in 1991 -1992. Benjamin Atkins was black as ink.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Atkins

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  36. Whoever says:
    @Anonymous
    Since we currently have another black self-described serial killer, doing some real fancy-pants serial killing live on Facebook, and is currently on the loose...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4416996/Cops-hunt-man-shot-killed-man-Facebook-Live.html

    has anyone got some good stats on black serial killers in the United States, and how they compare on a percentage basis with other races? I suspect black serial killers are not getting all the credit they deserve.

    I've always suspected that many black serial killers are never identified, much less caught, who practice their craft in traditionally popular black killing fields such as Chicago and Baltimore.

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.

    I recall reading a recent article in which an LA detective noted that there are far more operating serial killers floating about the city than the public would care to know, and will likely never be caught.

    Anybody got recent stats?

    Scroll down to page six for data by race.
    Serial Killer Statistics

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  37. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Alice
    It plays to my biases.

    The nice, sweet, white teachers now talk feelings with the boys, and when that doesn't work, their white principals blame the teacher, not the child. The child must not feel safe!

    But black male teachers tells the black boys' mother that he needs a whuppin'.

    No, not kidding. Heard it myself. Works if you have a black principal backing up the black teacher.

    Maybe if they are told to shape up, some of them do actually shape up.

    Most white teachers are horrified at the thought of the discipline as abuse, so horrified they'd never tell any parent that there's a problem.

    And of course no white principal or teacher is going to say that ever anymore.

    We can't even begin to say it's possible modern progressive discipline methods don't work on some children.

    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.

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    It worked when she had the support of her school, nation, and church for the same standards of behavior, with similar consequences for misbehavior.

    That is no longer the case once the nice white ladies get involved.
    , @Dieter Kief

    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.
     
    Uuh - and isn't it bad that you notice this?
    Racist?

    (If you have a look at David Jackson's article and Steve Sailer's explanations - and your "critical" comment and my "critique" of it - this all makes up for a perpetuum moblile of the societal kind. - This can go on forever like this. And if you imagine now, that we all board a time machine and have a look at it - for some few hundred years into the future from now on - would that be heaven, we see, or rather something else?)

    , @fish

    Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.
     
    If my brief excursions to the local War-Mart for cheap sardines is any indication black moms "whup" black boys for the most trivial of reasons.....wanting the Spider Man action figure while mom tries to power through last nights hang over instead of whupping them for setting stray dogs on fire.

    Merely an observation....
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Slate interviews a childless black Rachel Dolezal lookalike whose new book says whuppin’ black kids ain’t right. Why do blacks whup their chilluns in the first place? Because whitey:

    Patton […] traced the history of spanking to European parenting styles that were eventually passed on to black American slaves.

    I find that when I talk about this issue in a holistic way … when I take them back through 2,000 years of European history to show them how sadistic white people were with their own kids and that they didn’t even recognize their children as children until the 16th century, while we were treating our children as gods, and sacred beings …
     
    “We wuz Docta Spockz an’ sheeit!”
    , @Anon
    If you think corporal punishment is bad for black kids, just try to imagine what it would be like if no one ever disciplined them at all. They produce enough crime as it is.
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  38. guest says:

    “like the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life”

    What could be suspicious about being ambushed in the dark, tackled, pummeled, and repeatedly head-slammed into concrete? I mean, the guy had Skittles! You can’t physically possess Skittles and be dangerous. That’s a law of Science.

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  39. @Dave Pinsen
    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.

    It worked when she had the support of her school, nation, and church for the same standards of behavior, with similar consequences for misbehavior.

    That is no longer the case once the nice white ladies get involved.

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    The decline of the church is probably a factor. I'm not sure the rest of it is true. I don't think you can pin this on the nice white ladies.
    , @Bill
    For pity's sake. The nice white ladies are doing exactly what their betters tell them to. Just like they did in the past. Just like they will do in the future. They haven't changed one iota.
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    @Mike Sylwester

    ... the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life.
     
    On that fatal evening, Trayvon Martin bought Skittles and Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail in order to mix them with Codeine. This concoction was called Purple Drank (aka Lean, aka Sizzrup), which Martin would sip slowly to intoxicate himself.

    Martin's fascination with Purple Drank began seriously at about the end of June 2011, when he subscribed to the YouTube log of Purple Drank addict Andy Milonakis. Martin’s subscription coincided roughly with Milonakis’s upload, on June 21, 2011, of a rap-music video that Milonakis himself had created.

    Milonakis's video is titled "Red Lean Purple Lean" and is illustrated by photographs of bottles full of Promethazine Codeine and drinking cups full of Purple Drank (aka Red Lean Purple Lean).

    Inspired by Milonakis’s anthem, Martin conducted a Facebook conversation with a friend named MacKenzie six days later, on June 27. Martin asked MacKenzie to help him obtain prescription-strength Codeine to make Lean (i.e. Purple Drank).

    The effects of chronic Codeine abuse have been described as follows:


    ... High doses are dissociative in the sense of causing a separation from one’s body and are sometimes compared to the effects of other dissociatives such as PCP or ketamine. ... Psychological effects can include profound disorientation, depression, a feeling of personal disintegration, or a feeling of “unreality” and disconnection that may persist for days. Chronic use may cause depression, psychological dependency, and possibly brain damage. Large doses may be associated with psychotic breaks. …
     
    Martin's fascination with abusing Codeine began in June 2011, and he was killed in February 2012, so his abuse might have continued for more than a half year. By mixing Codeine with Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles and sipping it addictively, he was chronically consuming up to 25 times the recommended maximum dosage.

    Martin viciously attacked George Zimmerman, a neighborhood-watch volunteer because Martin perceived bizarrely that Zimmerman was a "creepy-ass cracker" (a creepy White person) or a "creepy ass-cracker" (a creepy homosexual).

    Martin ambushed Zimmerman, pushed him to the ground and repeatedly punched his face and beat the back of his skull into a concrete sidewalk.

    Fortunately, however, Zimmerman was carrying a pistol and so was able to save his own life by shooting the Purple-Drank-crazed Trayvon Martin to death.

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    The above information is excerpted from an article that I wrote titled "Trayvon Martin was paranoid because of Purple Drank".

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/10/trayvon-martin-was-paranoid-because-of.html

    I’m quite detached from hip-hop culture, but even I had heard bout “Purple Drank” before the the Martyrdom of St. Trayvon of the Skittles. The candy was mentioned early an often, presumably because candy is associated with children. Not until well into the hoopla did I hear about the watermelon drink, which previously had been described simply as iced tea. Immediately the popular drug cocktail came to my lilly-white brain.

    My question: did the MSM lie about it because of the Purple Drank angle, or was it because they didn’t want to perpetuate the stereotype about black people liking watermelons?

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  41. “The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator. But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes…”

    A brilliant insight, perhaps applicable to white teachers, too? The evidence for that may be right here in these short documentaries…

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    There was something endearing about the fact that Jesse referred to him as "Mr. White" to the end. If Walt wasn't such an bad human being, he could've been a good teacher. He had the air of authority.
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    @Desiderius
    It worked when she had the support of her school, nation, and church for the same standards of behavior, with similar consequences for misbehavior.

    That is no longer the case once the nice white ladies get involved.

    The decline of the church is probably a factor. I’m not sure the rest of it is true. I don’t think you can pin this on the nice white ladies.

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    In my experience, the (black) church is about all they have left. It very much is the nice white ladies with an assist by some effeminate white men who have been behind their loss of support in the other two.

    I've taught at a black school with a black principal to back us up. When we called in parents shit went down. It was like white kids from the 50s, or second-graders. I'm speaking of the level of respect/fear those parents commanded from the kids.
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  43. Trelane says:

    Black children do better when they are educated by black teachers.

    It would be so awesome to see black folk unshackled from the confines of white racism for the first time since the last universal common ancestor 3.8 billion years ago.

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    Trelane, I moved the letters of your name around and I can't seem to spell Tiny Duck. Are you our new Troll? We are rather fond of TD.
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  44. @Dave Pinsen
    The decline of the church is probably a factor. I'm not sure the rest of it is true. I don't think you can pin this on the nice white ladies.

    In my experience, the (black) church is about all they have left. It very much is the nice white ladies with an assist by some effeminate white men who have been behind their loss of support in the other two.

    I’ve taught at a black school with a black principal to back us up. When we called in parents shit went down. It was like white kids from the 50s, or second-graders. I’m speaking of the level of respect/fear those parents commanded from the kids.

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  45. The truth, as we all know, is that black kids won’t listen to white teachers and most often do everything they can to show that this white person has no authority over THEM! They WILL listen to black teachers. So for this entitled, privileged idiot to pretend he’s sooo good because he’s not racist as whites are just shows his own racism. (From a former teacher who once got her sped kids’ room taken away in the spring so they could give it to a new, black teacher. We said we’d need awhile to find a place for our books and supplies…it only took a few days for her to be whining, “Will you take your things out of my room now?”)

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  47. Trelane says:

    OT: dark white skin man commits murder live on faceboot

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  48. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Mason

    The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator.
     
    The whole quotation is full of silliness. Anyone with African ancestry in the US is designated as "black" regardless of the color of their skin, whether they be light beige like one of my daughters or very dark brown like the other. Has this teacher never noticed that "black" as used racially in the English language is only tangentially related to skin color. (In fact almost no one has black skin, only various shades of brown, a small percentage of which approach black--it is usually the hair that is black, more or less.)

    Will the schools be employing color matching machines like they have in the paint department at Walmart to get the best possible matches so that students of a certain skin tone will be grouped with similarly tinted teachers?

    Trayvon Martin a cute little boy with skittles? So why had his teachers kicked him out of school in Miami for him to be in Orlando at the time of his death?

    The thing about the black boys who have a black teacher in elementary school sounds pretty amazing (and unlikely). It would be interesting to know if the the study results could be replicated in, I don't know, Jamaica. But even if it is true, does it reflect on racism on the part of the teachers or the students?

    Having read the whole of the article, I must say the teacher does sound well intentioned.

    As to what you say about your daughters being regarded as ‘black’ why was brown-skinned Zimmerman called “white”?

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    I want to say it was because they saw the name "Zimmerman" and assumed. But the story took months to break, and there was more than enough time to get a look at him.

    The answer is that it was pre-decided this would be a "teachable moment" about race, and national race issues are mostly Black/White. Black/Brown is too confusing.
    , @fish

    As to what you say about your daughters being regarded as ‘black’ why was brown-skinned Zimmerman called “white”?
     
    Because Americans wouldn't understand "Peruvian - Jew".
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  49. guest says:
    @PiltdownMan

    “The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator. But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes…”
     
    A brilliant insight, perhaps applicable to white teachers, too? The evidence for that may be right here in these short documentaries...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivp7d2i7Z4s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMJfPe5uZrU

    There was something endearing about the fact that Jesse referred to him as “Mr. White” to the end. If Walt wasn’t such an bad human being, he could’ve been a good teacher. He had the air of authority.

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  50. Look at the bright side. Fewer nice White ladies will be teaching in Black classrooms.

    Everybody wins.

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  51. eah says:

    As I never tire of pointing out (ahem): Liberia has been independent since around the time CA became a state, and Whites are not allowed to be citizens of Liberia — so apart from teachers working there short term, eg for charities and NGOs (like the Peace Corps), the average black child in Liberia never encounters a white teacher — and yet:

    Liberia students all fail university admission exam

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  52. Another example of the coalition of the fringes starting to come apart. Will “nice white ladies” ever rethink their support for a coalition in which they are increasingly seen as outsiders?

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  53. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    A lady freelance journalist in L.A. (Pelisek?) about a decade ago figure out that the new serial killer in town was actually an old one who had stopped for a decade or two: the Grim Sleeper.

    After that, the LAPD went through their cold cases and figured out that there had been at least 5 serial killers active in South Central LA, the Grim Sleeper and four other who had been imprisoned later in other states, who had killed about 100 crack whores among them in the 1980s and 1990s without anybody noticing they were serial killers. Everybody just assumed it was some crack gang thing like all the other killings. One of the five was white, the other four black.

    So, yeah, a Ted Bundy (who attended a Republican national convention as a Nelson Rockefeller supporter) type is more likely to get media and police attention than a Grim Sleeper type serial killer.

    But, it's still likely that the black serial killer percentage is well below the black run of the mill killer percentage. It's possible that the really overrepresented ethnicity among serial killers are Juan Corona-style Hispanics, but nobody has much looked into this.

    But, it’s still likely that the black serial killer percentage is well below the black run of the mill killer percentage. It’s possible that the really overrepresented ethnicity among serial killers are Juan Corona-style Hispanics, but nobody has much looked into this.

    Oh… I don’t know about that. It doesn’t even stand to reason because if you look at the overall atrocities going on in Sub Saharan Africa, serial killing isn’t a significant deviation from the black cultural norm.

    You’ve said before that we might be underestimating African culture’s influence on American black culture related to American black men’s proclivity to impregnate assorted women without supporting or raising them, just like men in Sub Saharan Africa.

    Why shouldn’t existential atrocities follow along with other black cultural habits from across the Atlantic?

    Check out page 6:

    http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf

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  54. Lugash says:
    @Mike Sylwester

    ... the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life.
     
    Trayvon Martin appeared to be casing homes to burglarize. He actually was a burglar, and he looked like a burglar on that particular evening.

    The sky was dark and rainy, and he was walking not on the sidewalk, but rather on the lawns so that he could be close enough to the homes to look into their windows.

    Martin's parents were away, and he was home alone with a younger brother. Supposedly they were watching a basketball game, and during half-time Martin went to a store to buy Skittles for the sweet-tooth brother. Of course, the Skittles were not for the brother. Rather, the Skittles were for Martin's own Purple Drank, a Codeine concoction to which Martin was addicted.

    Martin did not hurry home from the store to continue watching the basketball game with his younger brother. Rather, Martin waited for the sky to become dark and rainy enough that he could case homes to burglarize in the housing development where he was staying temporarily.

    Martin's mother had kicked him out of her home and sent him to live with his father. Martin was deciding which home to burglarize in the housing development where his father lived.

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    The store's closed-circuit camera recorded Martin paying the cashier for the candy and juice at 6:24 p.m.

    Instead of walking directly home to make his Purple Drank, however, he waited until the sky became dark.

    First, he stayed right in front of the store and asked three men to buy him a cigar that he could use to make a marijuana blunt. (Martin was too young to buy the cigar himself.) By the time the three men bought the cigar and gave it to Martin and then he walked away from the store's front, the time had become 6:30.

    The distance from the store to the apartment complex was about a half-mile, so Martin could have reached the complex by about 6:40 -- a normal walking pace is three miles an hour, so a half-mile is ten minutes.

    However, Martin apparently found a nearby place, covered from the rain, and smoked his blunt for a half-hour. He did not enter the apartment complex until about 7:05 p.m. A few minutes later, Zimmerman saw Martin casing homes there to burglarize.

    The main reason why Martin dawdled for that half-hour was that he was waiting for the sky to turn dark enough for him to case homes without being seen. When Martin entered the apartment complex at 7:05, the sky was turning from civil twilight into nautical twilight. The sky turned dark a few minutes earlier than normal because of the clouds and rain

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    The above information is excerpted from an article I wrote, titled "Trayvon Martin waited for darkness before casing homes to burglarize".

    http://people-who-did-not-see.blogspot.com/2015/12/trayvon-martin-waited-for-darkness.html

    Do you have any background on Tracey Martin? He’s always been in the background compared to Sabrina Fulton. I’ve never heard any description of employment, background or anything other than ‘father of Trayvon Martin’.

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    Well, he was a (pseudo) Freemason, for one thing.

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2293912/pg1?disclaimer=1
    , @Art Deco
    Tracy Martin's a long-haul trucker. His brother's retired military, married, and with at least one child who was reportedly closer to Trayvon than was Trayvon's brother. Tracy Martin's baby mamma / 3d wife Brandi Green was living in the same townhouse complex as George Zimmerman so presumably is of a similar income and perhaps status level (Zimmerman worked in an insurance office, his wife was a beautician, one of their neighbors was a lab technician, &c). I've seen interviews with Alicia Stanley, who was Tracy Martin's 2d wife and put the most labor into caring for Trayvon. If I were to guess her occupation a la the What's My Line? panel, I'd say medical office assistant. Sybrina Fulton was (IIRC) a mid-level civil servant employed by one of the school districts in greater Miami. Her other son Jahvaris Fulton was a college student at the time. Tracy Martin had some interesting subcultural affiliations you don't hear about much (Masonic Lodge, IIRC). He and his brother had grown up in East St. Louis, demonstrably the most viperous slum in America. They'd made a pretty good life for themselves with that sort of start. This was a half bourgeois / half prosperous wage-earner family, not geto at all. Both Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton had been exasperated by their son's antics of late.
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  55. map says:
    @Ivy
    Current teachers will retire while they still have access to a viable pension plan, which is no longer a sure thing in many areas. Potential teachers will be dissuaded. Look for a dumbing-down, offset somewhat by more virtual reality applications. Also look for more calls for military schools.

    What’s needed is African boarding schools…in Africa.

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    What’s needed is African boarding schools…in Africa
     
    Somalis here are sending their kids home for more traditional training. (Who can blame them?)

    One such kid was murdered over there. The papers here didn't go into detail, but a Somali I know well says the US-reared kids pick up bad habits here, like mouthing off to teachers. When they try this in the homeland, the result can be fatal.

    This boy is the new Emmett Till!

    This boy could
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  56. Lagertha says:
    @Ivy
    Current teachers will retire while they still have access to a viable pension plan, which is no longer a sure thing in many areas. Potential teachers will be dissuaded. Look for a dumbing-down, offset somewhat by more virtual reality applications. Also look for more calls for military schools.

    Everything you state is happening. I found it interesting (over the past 8 years) that the UCal system has a link that lets an applicant state that they consider teaching( at the HS level). My sons considered clicking that (they were seriously, OOS, which has a 3% acceptance rate) bc they really wanted to get in UCSD or UCSB…even, for Chrissakes, UCB! But, bc they are Lagertha’s Lutheran sons, they could not lie. My sons have always had trouble embellishing, lying, bragging, self-aggrandizing. If that is not the true value of a Finn (half), well, nothing is. But, Finns are still considered the dim-wits of The North!

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    But, Finns are still considered the dim-wits of The North!
     
    I never knew there was such a thing as a anti-Finnish joke-- or Scandinavian humor--until I dated a Swedish girl*. Don't get offended, it's only a joke. And this joke only works spoken. "What's closest to a fish's ass? A Finn."

    So glad I never married her. Such a cold, boring personality. Boring Lutheran religion (while the crazy kraut Luther was interesting-- "commit murder and adultery a thousand times a day to prove you believe in sola fide").
    , @Autochthon
    Your observations highlight a critical matter needing far more attention. Europeans (and those of us in the diaspora) must learn to differentiate (and implement the learning!) between morality, honesty, etc. vis-a-vis honourable, deserving people who will reciprocate the behaviour and who themselves are inclined to support and assist the European (or, at the very least, treat him impartially and fairly) and moral, honest, and otherwise honourable and altruistic behaviour toward the cooly disinterested and, especially, the hostile.

    The universities you cite are now evil institutions. Affiliation with them is nevertheless potentially valuable due to crazed credentialism and their perhaps yet decent instruction in matters purely material (for instance, medicine or electronics) – provided one can steel oneself from the abuse and disinformation accompanying it.

    That value conceded, your sons' dissembling on applications to these evil institutions is no more an act of moral turpitude than are the acts of a spy or a downed aviator during wartime who seeks to remain undetected via disguises and ruses.

    Don't think for one moment the spawn of the Obamas, Amy Chua, and Geraldo Rivera, and Satya Nadella heaitate for an instant about declaring their oppression and status as so-called minorities in similar situations, their consciences restraining them with admonitions that they are inconceivably privileged and therefore ought not to seek still more unearned benefits at the expense of bright white children living in desperate in abject poverty in Wheeling or Cheyenne. Remember well that scheming little Mohammedan bastard Steve profiled a week or two ago and his incessant mewling about how rough it was being a fabulously wealthy and connected Muslim. That is the representative attitude. It's all a zero-sum game to everyone except whites, and they are all playing for keeps.

    This incorrigible compulsion to adhere to Queensberry'd rules (which now already require a white person to enter the fray with one hand forcibly tied behind his back) presumably arises from an ingrained notion of unconquerable superiority and even a touch of pity and paternalistic noblesse oblige toward other races, held over from an era with circumstances long since changed.

    It's one thing to let a small child win at checkers or arm-wrestling because you are a good sport uninterested in humiliating children; it is quite another matter entirely to, many years later, perpetuate the same lazily indulgent attitude to that that child, now grown and having developed a pathological, scheming hatred in his heart for you. You cannot go on signing contracts he presents to you without reading them, or pulling your punches should he assault you in the streets.

    You seem like a very loving mother. I implore you to teach your children this important lesson.

    , @anon
    Finn's on a per capita basis have to have the best spatial-cognitive brainpower going. How else do they mint so many world class racing drivers?
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  57. guest says:
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    As to what you say about your daughters being regarded as 'black' why was brown-skinned Zimmerman called "white"?

    I want to say it was because they saw the name “Zimmerman” and assumed. But the story took months to break, and there was more than enough time to get a look at him.

    The answer is that it was pre-decided this would be a “teachable moment” about race, and national race issues are mostly Black/White. Black/Brown is too confusing.

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  58. Rod1963 says:
    @Anonymous
    Since we currently have another black self-described serial killer, doing some real fancy-pants serial killing live on Facebook, and is currently on the loose...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4416996/Cops-hunt-man-shot-killed-man-Facebook-Live.html

    has anyone got some good stats on black serial killers in the United States, and how they compare on a percentage basis with other races? I suspect black serial killers are not getting all the credit they deserve.

    I've always suspected that many black serial killers are never identified, much less caught, who practice their craft in traditionally popular black killing fields such as Chicago and Baltimore.

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.

    I recall reading a recent article in which an LA detective noted that there are far more operating serial killers floating about the city than the public would care to know, and will likely never be caught.

    Anybody got recent stats?

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.

    On a somewhat related case. about a decade back or so there was a enterprising unemployed young man who harvested black drug dealers for money and buried the remains. IMS he killed something like 14 of them and no one noticed, not even the cops.

    What finally got him, is taht he decided to upgrade to white professionals – namely dentists and that’s what busted him. The amusing thing was the community thought he did them a great service by eradicating the drug dealers.

    The case got very little national attention for some reason.

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    Read up on the interesting case of NFL great Marvin Harrison.
    , @benjaminl
    It's been a while since I've watched the show, but I think there was a plot thread like this on The Wire.
    , @Brutusale
    The Australians have a great name for these guys: standover man.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=STANDOVER%20MAN

    A standover man was a main character in William Gibson's Idoru, an Aussie retired from robbing criminals and working as head of security for a major rock band.
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  59. he ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes, biases and cultural disconnects that fuel inequality and injustice

    Wait. I thought blacks suffered from internalizing society’s racism. Dang!

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  60. @Rod1963

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.
     
    On a somewhat related case. about a decade back or so there was a enterprising unemployed young man who harvested black drug dealers for money and buried the remains. IMS he killed something like 14 of them and no one noticed, not even the cops.

    What finally got him, is taht he decided to upgrade to white professionals - namely dentists and that's what busted him. The amusing thing was the community thought he did them a great service by eradicating the drug dealers.

    The case got very little national attention for some reason.

    Read up on the interesting case of NFL great Marvin Harrison.

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    Read up on the interesting case of NFL great Marvin Harrison.
     
    Excellent example of what I mentioned before about black folks social dysfunction making them easy pickin's for black serial killers.

    You think the police would suspect a serial killer weighing in, in the middle of that hootenanny?

    And even if they DID suspect a serial killer, if you were an overworked, traumatized police detective working Chicago's South Side, would you burn the midnight oil trying to figure out patterns, or would you thank God your weekend just got freed up, because one of the perps with a rap sheet a mile long that you had under surveillance... disappeared?

    Just sayin', there must be black serial killer's who've been rackin' up points for years in Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, Oakland, etc. It's got to be one of the last "best kept secrets" related to racial discrimination local law enforcement has. It's only a secret because nobody really wants to know.
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  61. @Yan Shen
    Speaking of uh Nice White Ladies, the good old days of Mad TV...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVF-nirSq5s

    "With all due respect sir, I'm a white lady. I can do anything."

    Ironically, the Asian guy has a pen… he has a pistol… ugh! pistol-pen…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct6BUPvE2sM

    You’re welcome.

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  62. Yeah, beating black kids. Great idea. F****** moron.

    I don’t know why this particular study is getting attention, because for at least a decade or more research has shown that black kids do better with black teachers. Most of the research is done at the elementary level. The academic results for racial matching are much stronger than those for everyone’s wet dream of smarter teachers. In fact, Goldhaber finds that:

    .we see that Black and other minority students appear to benefit from being matched with a Black teacher regardless of how well or poorly that teacher performed on the Praxis tests, and these positive effects due to matching with Black teachers are comparable in magnitude to having the highest-performing White teachers in the classroom. Removing the lowest of performers on the exam would necessarily remove some of the teachers that appear to be most effective for this segment of the student population.

    It’s not “better” as in the achievement gap disappears, and this yahoo is just making things up when he offers reasons why. But yeah, it’s a pretty consistent finding and long before this last study.

    As for blacks cheating on the test, there’s only the Clarence Mumford ring, and that happened at a particular time. During the 90s, a whole bunch of blacks became teachers with “emergency” credentials, and never bothered to get real ones, because they couldn’t pass the credential test. Then, in 1998, they stopped giving ed degrees to people who couldn’t pass the tests, and in 2002 NCLB closed the emergency credential loophole. So there were a lot of blacks with teaching jobs that had to go get credentials and couldn’t pass the test. That’s when Mumford started the cheating ring, because no one was really noticing. It wasn’t really polite to mention that there were a bunch of teachers who couldn’t pass the tests.

    No other rings that I’m aware of, and not much cheating. It’d be noticed if suddenly the pass rate shot up in normal circumstances. Plus, the security is pretty tight in most states. (My first attempt to pass a very basic level credential test failed because they rejected my id after the fact. Why? Because I go by my middle name, and my driver’s license showed my first and middle name. No, I’m not kidding. Very irritating.)

    “There would be a lot more black schoolteachers if so many of them didn’t fail the certification tests that many bright high school students could pass. But New York state is working on fixing that problem…”

    Passing the credential tests is indeed a problem. However, New York didn’t end credentialing tests. All the content knowledge tests are still required, as are the pedagogy tests. This was just a stupid extra test that was creating trouble for them. Most black and Hispanic teachers are elementary teachers, who had higher fail rates to begin with. Why throw out perfectly good black and hispanic teachers just because they can’t pass an additional reading test? I was surprised it passed the judicial challenge a while back, and when it did I was pretty certain the state would drop the test.

    I don’t disagree with a number of comments here. The media is pushing this in part to offset the NY story. And they are not interested in pushing segregation, but in making sure that black and Hispanic teachers aren’t further reduced.

    The way to do that, alas, is to do what I pointed out above: point out that the neverending push for smarter teachers is pointless. Teachers are smart enough. And the push is reducing black/Hispanic teachers, when kids of those races would do better to occasionally run into a teacher of their own race. But that would be translated as “they’re too stupid to pass the test”.

    Of course, the real problem isn’t that there aren’t black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era. And a lot of black/Hispanic teachers become principals, which pays a lot better. There are more black principals than there are black secondary teachers. That’s because admins are chosen through affirmative action, while the credential tests only have one standard.

    For all the talk about “nice white lady teachers”, the fact is that elementary school teachers are disproportionately black and Hispanic. At the high school level, teachers are primarily white but about half male.

    ” Potential teachers will be dissuaded. Look for a dumbing-down, offset somewhat by more virtual reality applications. Also look for more calls for military schools.”

    Yeah, someone’s delusional. And utterly ignorant about why people teach.

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    When he mentioned cheating scandals, I believe he was discussing where the teachers and admin were cheating on the student achievement exams.
    , @Desiderius
    The high horse is (very) tiresome. Get over yourself.

    Of course, the real problem isn’t that there aren’t black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era.
     
    The two are (obviously) not mutually exclusive but two aspects of the same phenomenon. If you've got an IQ/achievement gap, you'll have both too few in the middle and that exacerbated by the too few at the top sucking the too few you've already got in the middle to fill in for the top, making it even worse.
    , @Jack D

    As for blacks cheating on the test, there’s only the Clarence Mumford ring
     
    The usual form of black teacher cheating is not on their own qualification tests but on the standardized tests that are given to their students. There have been numerous documented cases of black teachers and administrators systematically "improving" their students scores because these scores were used in evaluations and/or bonus calculations.
    , @res

    Of course, the real problem isn’t that there aren’t black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era. And a lot of black/Hispanic teachers become principals, which pays a lot better. There are more black principals than there are black secondary teachers. That’s because admins are chosen through affirmative action, while the credential tests only have one standard.
     
    Thanks for this and the linked article (and associated data). I was aware of the mismatch phenomenon, but had not really thought through the implications of relatively stringent ability testing in professions in the cognitive midrange.

    Have you looked at other professions that fall into this category? For example, I'm guessing this effect is what drives much of the controversy with fire/police testing?

    As an aside, this has scary implications for the cognitively midrange positions that are doing affirmative action without testing (or with gutted criteria).

    What about the military? Given current relatively high AFQT recruiting thresholds (presumably even more so for officers) I would expect black overrepresentation (relative to ability present in the population) there to put pressure on the black talent pool overall. Any thoughts on this?

    Lastly, I'm not sure how much to trust population prevalence arguments based on IQ mean/SD looking at the numbers of blacks in the right tail. Here is some discussion of that in the IQ 130-140 range (this and other comments for that article): http://www.unz.com/jthompson/micro-aggression-and-hyper-sensitivity/#comment-1818691
    What I am seeing looks like ~10x more blacks in those ranges than I would expect from a naive IQ mean 85 with SD 15 argument. Proposed reasons being a mixture of racial admixture and selective high IQ immigration (this has also been discussed in comments on some of Chanda Chisala's articles here).
    The issue I raise should have less of an impact at lower thresholds, but I wish someone would do a real analysis estimating the numbers of US blacks at different IQ thresholds in the right tail.
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  63. donut says:
    @E. Rekshun
    affirmative action for black schoolteachers, especially black male teachers, was usually justified with a Role Model rationale: It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time.

    And see black school teachers (and black school administrators) cheat on teacher certifications exams and NCLB student testing.

    I'm too lazy to look up the links but there are dozens of them - Atlanta, TN, DC, NYC, MA, etc.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-atlanta-educators-convicted-cheating-scandal-article-1.2170446

    ” to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time.”
    That will only work if everybody is on CPT .

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  64. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Read up on the interesting case of NFL great Marvin Harrison.

    Read up on the interesting case of NFL great Marvin Harrison.

    Excellent example of what I mentioned before about black folks social dysfunction making them easy pickin’s for black serial killers.

    You think the police would suspect a serial killer weighing in, in the middle of that hootenanny?

    And even if they DID suspect a serial killer, if you were an overworked, traumatized police detective working Chicago’s South Side, would you burn the midnight oil trying to figure out patterns, or would you thank God your weekend just got freed up, because one of the perps with a rap sheet a mile long that you had under surveillance… disappeared?

    Just sayin’, there must be black serial killer’s who’ve been rackin’ up points for years in Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, Oakland, etc. It’s got to be one of the last “best kept secrets” related to racial discrimination local law enforcement has. It’s only a secret because nobody really wants to know.

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  65. @education realist
    Yeah, beating black kids. Great idea. F****** moron.

    I don't know why this particular study is getting attention, because for at least a decade or more research has shown that black kids do better with black teachers. Most of the research is done at the elementary level. The academic results for racial matching are much stronger than those for everyone's wet dream of smarter teachers. In fact, Goldhaber finds that:

    .we see that Black and other minority students appear to benefit from being matched with a Black teacher regardless of how well or poorly that teacher performed on the Praxis tests, and these positive effects due to matching with Black teachers are comparable in magnitude to having the highest-performing White teachers in the classroom. Removing the lowest of performers on the exam would necessarily remove some of the teachers that appear to be most effective for this segment of the student population.


    It's not "better" as in the achievement gap disappears, and this yahoo is just making things up when he offers reasons why. But yeah, it's a pretty consistent finding and long before this last study.

    As for blacks cheating on the test, there's only the Clarence Mumford ring, and that happened at a particular time. During the 90s, a whole bunch of blacks became teachers with "emergency" credentials, and never bothered to get real ones, because they couldn't pass the credential test. Then, in 1998, they stopped giving ed degrees to people who couldn't pass the tests, and in 2002 NCLB closed the emergency credential loophole. So there were a lot of blacks with teaching jobs that had to go get credentials and couldn't pass the test. That's when Mumford started the cheating ring, because no one was really noticing. It wasn't really polite to mention that there were a bunch of teachers who couldn't pass the tests.

    No other rings that I'm aware of, and not much cheating. It'd be noticed if suddenly the pass rate shot up in normal circumstances. Plus, the security is pretty tight in most states. (My first attempt to pass a very basic level credential test failed because they rejected my id after the fact. Why? Because I go by my middle name, and my driver's license showed my first and middle name. No, I'm not kidding. Very irritating.)


    "There would be a lot more black schoolteachers if so many of them didn’t fail the certification tests that many bright high school students could pass. But New York state is working on fixing that problem…"

    Passing the credential tests is indeed a problem. However, New York didn't end credentialing tests. All the content knowledge tests are still required, as are the pedagogy tests. This was just a stupid extra test that was creating trouble for them. Most black and Hispanic teachers are elementary teachers, who had higher fail rates to begin with. Why throw out perfectly good black and hispanic teachers just because they can't pass an additional reading test? I was surprised it passed the judicial challenge a while back, and when it did I was pretty certain the state would drop the test.



    I don't disagree with a number of comments here. The media is pushing this in part to offset the NY story. And they are not interested in pushing segregation, but in making sure that black and Hispanic teachers aren't further reduced.

    The way to do that, alas, is to do what I pointed out above: point out that the neverending push for smarter teachers is pointless. Teachers are smart enough. And the push is reducing black/Hispanic teachers, when kids of those races would do better to occasionally run into a teacher of their own race. But that would be translated as "they're too stupid to pass the test".

    Of course, the real problem isn't that there aren't black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era. And a lot of black/Hispanic teachers become principals, which pays a lot better. There are more black principals than there are black secondary teachers. That's because admins are chosen through affirmative action, while the credential tests only have one standard.

    For all the talk about "nice white lady teachers", the fact is that elementary school teachers are disproportionately black and Hispanic. At the high school level, teachers are primarily white but about half male.


    " Potential teachers will be dissuaded. Look for a dumbing-down, offset somewhat by more virtual reality applications. Also look for more calls for military schools."

    Yeah, someone's delusional. And utterly ignorant about why people teach.

    When he mentioned cheating scandals, I believe he was discussing where the teachers and admin were cheating on the student achievement exams.

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  66. @Dave Pinsen
    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.

    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.

    Uuh – and isn’t it bad that you notice this?
    Racist?

    (If you have a look at David Jackson’s article and Steve Sailer’s explanations – and your “critical” comment and my “critique” of it – this all makes up for a perpetuum moblile of the societal kind. – This can go on forever like this. And if you imagine now, that we all board a time machine and have a look at it – for some few hundred years into the future from now on – would that be heaven, we see, or rather something else?)

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    Oh, man, your comment is deep!
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  67. TheBoom says:

    I think it is a good thing that they are shaming white women teachers. Most of these women are liberals who love to virtue signal against whites. They need to understand that all that virtue signaling won’t buy them a safe harbor (or space) as the animosity towards whites becomes lethal (far more than now) once whites are a minority.

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  68. Muse says:

    Why change teachers when you can just institute different standards for black and white students on what constitutes bad behavior.

    http://northcooknews.com/stories/511104961-should-north-shore-public-schools-set-lower-academic-discipline-standards-for-black-and-hispanic-students-activist-to-make-the-case

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    Too bad Vince Lombardi couldn't have lived to read that.

    He certainly would have laughed at seeing the very antithesis of his methods tried out across the river in Minnesota.
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  69. Svigor says:

    The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator. But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes, biases and cultural disconnects that fuel inequality and injustice — like the outlook that made Trayvon Martin, carrying Skittles, appear dangerously suspicious to the man who took his life.

    This is completely turned around.

    Stereotype

    stereotype n : a conventional or formulaic conception or image; [...] v : treat or classify according to a mental stereotype; [...] [syn: pigeonhole, stamp]

    User Contributed Dictionary

    Noun

    1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
    2. A person who is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.

    The delusion of racial cognitive equality is the acme of conventional, formulaic, oversimplified American thinking about human nature (while the author is the embodiment of that thinking).

    But it was interesting to see a presumed zealot of conventional American thinking argue that having black skin grants her a cognitive superpower that other races lack, right after stating that her skin color doesn’t give her any superpowers.

    It’s almost like blacks are worse at promoting the delusion, because they’re less equipped to notice when they violate their own, ostensible rules.

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  70. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lagertha
    Everything you state is happening. I found it interesting (over the past 8 years) that the UCal system has a link that lets an applicant state that they consider teaching( at the HS level). My sons considered clicking that (they were seriously, OOS, which has a 3% acceptance rate) bc they really wanted to get in UCSD or UCSB...even, for Chrissakes, UCB! But, bc they are Lagertha's Lutheran sons, they could not lie. My sons have always had trouble embellishing, lying, bragging, self-aggrandizing. If that is not the true value of a Finn (half), well, nothing is. But, Finns are still considered the dim-wits of The North!

    But, Finns are still considered the dim-wits of The North!

    I never knew there was such a thing as a anti-Finnish joke– or Scandinavian humor–until I dated a Swedish girl*. Don’t get offended, it’s only a joke. And this joke only works spoken. “What’s closest to a fish’s ass? A Finn.”

    So glad I never married her. Such a cold, boring personality. Boring Lutheran religion (while the crazy kraut Luther was interesting– “commit murder and adultery a thousand times a day to prove you believe in sola fide”).

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    hahaa! Swedes are always condescending to Finns - its a thing. However, today, they are not laughing as much at Finns. They did bus refugees to the Lappish Western border for 2 years....until the Finnish Army said., "no more." Swedes and Finns don't like each other, big league.

    I am a "half-breed": half Finn & half Swedish-Finn, so weirdly, I am a minority (haha) and can just punk both sides. However, Finns are much more "true." True blood, guts, freedom-oriented, self-deprecating, self-aware, self-reliant, curious and suspicious of everything...and sadly but lovingly, more morose.
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  71. Do white children do better with white teachers? Chinese children with Chinese teachers? Wouldn’t surprise me – especially if black teachers like this one are hostile to other races.

    Clearly, segregation is the only way to end child under-performance.

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    You have to understand that racism is like subtraction - there's no commutative property. Whites can't teach other races, but other races can teach whites because other races can only be victims of racism and cannot be racist themselves. You obviously need further education on this subject but it's not my job to educate you. That would be the job of the people running the re-education camp that we will send you to.
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  72. Svigor says:

    has anyone got some good stats on black serial killers in the United States, and how they compare on a percentage basis with other races? I suspect black serial killers are not getting all the credit they deserve.

    I don’t have anything recent, but:

    RETRACING A TRAIL: THE SNIPER SUSPECTS; Serial Killing’s Squarest Pegs: Not Solo, White, Psychosexual or Picky

    There have been few studies of the race and ethnicity of serial killers, but the handful that have been done suggest that black serial killers occur in roughly equal — or even slightly greater — proportion to the number of blacks in the population. These studies estimate that between 13 and 22 percent of American serial killers are black.

    Kleinfeld and Goode conveniently omitted the share of the population that was black at the time, presumably to make it easier for their goodwhite readers to avoid doing any inconvenient math, and noticing their dishonest range of “‘roughly equal’ to ‘slightly greater’”: 13 percent.

    An honest assessment would have read more like “the handful that have been done suggest that black serial killers occur in somewhere between slightly greater and nearly twice their proportion to the number of blacks in the population.”

    I’ve read one or two more of the very rare Big Media admissions of the heightened black propensity for serial killing, in the years since, and they fall along similar lines.

    Why change teachers when you can just institute different standards for black and white students on what constitutes bad behavior.

    It’s nice of them to come right out and say it. I went to school with plenty of blacks at various points in my education in the southeastern US, and in the primary and secondary years at least, notably lower disciplinary standards for blacks were the surreptitious norm.

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  73. @Lugash
    Do you have any background on Tracey Martin? He's always been in the background compared to Sabrina Fulton. I've never heard any description of employment, background or anything other than 'father of Trayvon Martin'.

    Well, he was a (pseudo) Freemason, for one thing.

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2293912/pg1?disclaimer=1

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  74. Art Deco says:
    @Lugash
    Do you have any background on Tracey Martin? He's always been in the background compared to Sabrina Fulton. I've never heard any description of employment, background or anything other than 'father of Trayvon Martin'.

    Tracy Martin’s a long-haul trucker. His brother’s retired military, married, and with at least one child who was reportedly closer to Trayvon than was Trayvon’s brother. Tracy Martin’s baby mamma / 3d wife Brandi Green was living in the same townhouse complex as George Zimmerman so presumably is of a similar income and perhaps status level (Zimmerman worked in an insurance office, his wife was a beautician, one of their neighbors was a lab technician, &c). I’ve seen interviews with Alicia Stanley, who was Tracy Martin’s 2d wife and put the most labor into caring for Trayvon. If I were to guess her occupation a la the What’s My Line? panel, I’d say medical office assistant. Sybrina Fulton was (IIRC) a mid-level civil servant employed by one of the school districts in greater Miami. Her other son Jahvaris Fulton was a college student at the time. Tracy Martin had some interesting subcultural affiliations you don’t hear about much (Masonic Lodge, IIRC). He and his brother had grown up in East St. Louis, demonstrably the most viperous slum in America. They’d made a pretty good life for themselves with that sort of start. This was a half bourgeois / half prosperous wage-earner family, not geto at all. Both Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton had been exasperated by their son’s antics of late.

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    Thanks for the info AD.
    , @Desiderius
    Fear of Falling

    https://www.amazon.com/Fear-Falling-Inner-Middle-Class/dp/0060973331
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  75. Art Deco says:

    In the past, affirmative action for black schoolteachers, especially black male teachers, was usually justified with a Role Model rationale: It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time.

    The employment-to-population ratio among blacks is about 10% lower than it is for the rest of the population, regrettable, but not enough to alter the essential social economy. Black youths in the slums are adequately familiar with employed adults who have to show up for work on time; those are the nurse’s aides, janitors, dietary workers, office clerks, security guards, construction workers, bus drivers &c they live with or who live next door. Some white liberal dingbat thought that excuse up.

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  76. @education realist
    Yeah, beating black kids. Great idea. F****** moron.

    I don't know why this particular study is getting attention, because for at least a decade or more research has shown that black kids do better with black teachers. Most of the research is done at the elementary level. The academic results for racial matching are much stronger than those for everyone's wet dream of smarter teachers. In fact, Goldhaber finds that:

    .we see that Black and other minority students appear to benefit from being matched with a Black teacher regardless of how well or poorly that teacher performed on the Praxis tests, and these positive effects due to matching with Black teachers are comparable in magnitude to having the highest-performing White teachers in the classroom. Removing the lowest of performers on the exam would necessarily remove some of the teachers that appear to be most effective for this segment of the student population.


    It's not "better" as in the achievement gap disappears, and this yahoo is just making things up when he offers reasons why. But yeah, it's a pretty consistent finding and long before this last study.

    As for blacks cheating on the test, there's only the Clarence Mumford ring, and that happened at a particular time. During the 90s, a whole bunch of blacks became teachers with "emergency" credentials, and never bothered to get real ones, because they couldn't pass the credential test. Then, in 1998, they stopped giving ed degrees to people who couldn't pass the tests, and in 2002 NCLB closed the emergency credential loophole. So there were a lot of blacks with teaching jobs that had to go get credentials and couldn't pass the test. That's when Mumford started the cheating ring, because no one was really noticing. It wasn't really polite to mention that there were a bunch of teachers who couldn't pass the tests.

    No other rings that I'm aware of, and not much cheating. It'd be noticed if suddenly the pass rate shot up in normal circumstances. Plus, the security is pretty tight in most states. (My first attempt to pass a very basic level credential test failed because they rejected my id after the fact. Why? Because I go by my middle name, and my driver's license showed my first and middle name. No, I'm not kidding. Very irritating.)


    "There would be a lot more black schoolteachers if so many of them didn’t fail the certification tests that many bright high school students could pass. But New York state is working on fixing that problem…"

    Passing the credential tests is indeed a problem. However, New York didn't end credentialing tests. All the content knowledge tests are still required, as are the pedagogy tests. This was just a stupid extra test that was creating trouble for them. Most black and Hispanic teachers are elementary teachers, who had higher fail rates to begin with. Why throw out perfectly good black and hispanic teachers just because they can't pass an additional reading test? I was surprised it passed the judicial challenge a while back, and when it did I was pretty certain the state would drop the test.



    I don't disagree with a number of comments here. The media is pushing this in part to offset the NY story. And they are not interested in pushing segregation, but in making sure that black and Hispanic teachers aren't further reduced.

    The way to do that, alas, is to do what I pointed out above: point out that the neverending push for smarter teachers is pointless. Teachers are smart enough. And the push is reducing black/Hispanic teachers, when kids of those races would do better to occasionally run into a teacher of their own race. But that would be translated as "they're too stupid to pass the test".

    Of course, the real problem isn't that there aren't black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era. And a lot of black/Hispanic teachers become principals, which pays a lot better. There are more black principals than there are black secondary teachers. That's because admins are chosen through affirmative action, while the credential tests only have one standard.

    For all the talk about "nice white lady teachers", the fact is that elementary school teachers are disproportionately black and Hispanic. At the high school level, teachers are primarily white but about half male.


    " Potential teachers will be dissuaded. Look for a dumbing-down, offset somewhat by more virtual reality applications. Also look for more calls for military schools."

    Yeah, someone's delusional. And utterly ignorant about why people teach.

    The high horse is (very) tiresome. Get over yourself.

    Of course, the real problem isn’t that there aren’t black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era.

    The two are (obviously) not mutually exclusive but two aspects of the same phenomenon. If you’ve got an IQ/achievement gap, you’ll have both too few in the middle and that exacerbated by the too few at the top sucking the too few you’ve already got in the middle to fill in for the top, making it even worse.

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    Did you pick up on the subtlety that the relative testing difficulty between professions is important as well? If it is true that the HS teacher qualifying test thresholds are in the vicinity of thresholds for a decent probability of passing the bar after multiple attempts (a point I find plausible but which I think needs more support, same for doctor thresholds) then ER's point about teaching capable blacks becoming lawyers instead makes sense IMHO.

    A related question is, what are the blacks who fail the bar generally doing as a final profession? If they tend to group in a small number of professions I suspect that says something about those professions.
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  77. Art Deco says:

    I doubt he’s right re pedagogy, but I’d wager he is right re disciplinary matters. Of course, we could just do something sensible like sequester the incorrigibles and turn them over to day detention centers run by the local sheriff’s department. The impediments to that would be lawfare artists (many of them employed by the federal Education department or state Education departments) and administrators whose emotional equilibrium would be disrupted by lowering the boom on the ‘disadvantaged’ (disadvantaged they hardly have to deal with). School systems tend to run on the ‘easier-for-them’ principle (the ‘them’ being who ever has discretion over a particular decision).

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  78. There is also ever rising problem with one particular Naughty-Naughty White President and a total lack of support he gets from Hitler Incompetent Orangutan from Queens maybe Only Half-Term Serving Real Estatesman, But America’s Totally Best Father-in-Lawless :

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/15/hungary-protests-soros-university-closure-threat

    Ignatieff, 70 next month, has lobbied western capitals, including Washington, winning support from the Trump administration in an implied rebuff to Orbán’s hope of improved ties.

    A US state department spokesman, Mark Toner, last week called on Hungary to suspend the law, which he said threatened an institution that “is an important conduit for intellectual and cultural exchanges between Hungary and the United States”.

    Coulterattack is all we have:

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  79. Mark Caplan says: • Website

    Call me Pollyanna, but if blacks want nothing to do with white people, more power to them.

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  80. bomag says:
    @res
    Some interesting wording in that paper (emphasis mine here and below):

    Using longitudinal administrative data on all public school students in North Carolina, we show that black students who are as good as randomly assigned to a black teacher at least once in the third, fourth, or fifth grades are more likely to aspire to college and less likely to drop out of high school.
     
    I don't have the patience or background to wade through their methods to determine validity, but a quick skim did not give me warm fuzzies (e.g. "we calculate the share of teachers who are black among grade 3-5 teachers that a student would potentially encounter if they progressed through grades 3, 4, and 5 in the same school in the course of three academic years"). Any other opinions?

    The WaPo had a recent article on this paper as well: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/04/09/study-black-students-from-poor-families-are-more-likely-to-graduate-high-school-if-they-have-at-least-one-black-teacher/

    But isn't the logical conclusion of this research that we should go back to segregated schools with teachers of the same race?

    Back to the real world, why can't we just have some of these educational researchers start a charter school implementing their ideas in a majority black area? Then if it works expand the program.

    But isn’t the logical conclusion of this research that we should go back to segregated schools with teachers of the same race?

    Let’s match this with the study that showed Black kids do better in majority White schools and mandate White majority in Black run schools. Progress!

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  81. Seriously, the anti-white rhetorical hostility level keeps going up and up, which is of course inevitable if in respectable society whites aren’t allowed to point out when blacks cross the line.

    This is why the establishment actually needs alt-right news outlets. “I’m shocked, shocked, to find people ridiculing our racial pieties!”

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    This is why the establishment actually needs alt-right news outlets. “I’m shocked, shocked, to find people ridiculing our racial pieties!”
     
    Slavery virtue signalling has been the time-worn strategy of black folks, which is to be expected, since it ironically has kept them relatively safe from scrutiny, allowing them to act like negro minstrel show characters. You can't be ashamed of your minstrel behavior if there's nobody around to shame you. Your culture will then allow you to believe that behaving like a tragicomic figure on the world's stage is a collective feature, not a bug.

    On rare occasions, someone will deviate from the norm, usually an insightful black person, but they'll be shut down either by their own will to survive, or like Cosby, shamed and harassed into submission.

    Here's a well-known Chris Rock black shaming his audience. I presume it was done in frustration with the lowest common denominator of his culture screwing up his millionaire life. You may be Chris Rock when a cop pulls you over on a lonely highway, or when you walk into Bergdorf Goodman, but the patina of being Black also hangs heavy during the first few moments, I'm sure.

    It should be noted, he didn't do it again. They likely let him walk away because of that:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4
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  82. To be fair, a black teacher of either gender can talk to black students in a way that white teachers could never do so. Not that that makes them better teachers per se.

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  83. All these Bluseless Majors are in need of hiring.

    Booming White Nice Lady with a Generic B.A – Out.
    Blooming Laquisha with a Community College Blackity Gender Studies Ausweis – In

    It’s caled a circle of life, Simba.

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  84. Thea says:

    But I thought race was a social construct.

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  85. @Lagertha
    Everything you state is happening. I found it interesting (over the past 8 years) that the UCal system has a link that lets an applicant state that they consider teaching( at the HS level). My sons considered clicking that (they were seriously, OOS, which has a 3% acceptance rate) bc they really wanted to get in UCSD or UCSB...even, for Chrissakes, UCB! But, bc they are Lagertha's Lutheran sons, they could not lie. My sons have always had trouble embellishing, lying, bragging, self-aggrandizing. If that is not the true value of a Finn (half), well, nothing is. But, Finns are still considered the dim-wits of The North!

    Your observations highlight a critical matter needing far more attention. Europeans (and those of us in the diaspora) must learn to differentiate (and implement the learning!) between morality, honesty, etc. vis-a-vis honourable, deserving people who will reciprocate the behaviour and who themselves are inclined to support and assist the European (or, at the very least, treat him impartially and fairly) and moral, honest, and otherwise honourable and altruistic behaviour toward the cooly disinterested and, especially, the hostile.

    The universities you cite are now evil institutions. Affiliation with them is nevertheless potentially valuable due to crazed credentialism and their perhaps yet decent instruction in matters purely material (for instance, medicine or electronics) – provided one can steel oneself from the abuse and disinformation accompanying it.

    That value conceded, your sons’ dissembling on applications to these evil institutions is no more an act of moral turpitude than are the acts of a spy or a downed aviator during wartime who seeks to remain undetected via disguises and ruses.

    Don’t think for one moment the spawn of the Obamas, Amy Chua, and Geraldo Rivera, and Satya Nadella heaitate for an instant about declaring their oppression and status as so-called minorities in similar situations, their consciences restraining them with admonitions that they are inconceivably privileged and therefore ought not to seek still more unearned benefits at the expense of bright white children living in desperate in abject poverty in Wheeling or Cheyenne. Remember well that scheming little Mohammedan bastard Steve profiled a week or two ago and his incessant mewling about how rough it was being a fabulously wealthy and connected Muslim. That is the representative attitude. It’s all a zero-sum game to everyone except whites, and they are all playing for keeps.

    This incorrigible compulsion to adhere to Queensberry’d rules (which now already require a white person to enter the fray with one hand forcibly tied behind his back) presumably arises from an ingrained notion of unconquerable superiority and even a touch of pity and paternalistic noblesse oblige toward other races, held over from an era with circumstances long since changed.

    It’s one thing to let a small child win at checkers or arm-wrestling because you are a good sport uninterested in humiliating children; it is quite another matter entirely to, many years later, perpetuate the same lazily indulgent attitude to that that child, now grown and having developed a pathological, scheming hatred in his heart for you. You cannot go on signing contracts he presents to you without reading them, or pulling your punches should he assault you in the streets.

    You seem like a very loving mother. I implore you to teach your children this important lesson.

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    Very good post--the mindset of white people of European origin vis-a-vis groups that will not reciprocate our good will must change or we will go the way of the Dodo bird. I was particularly gratified to see you mentioning Amy Chua. We need to stop deluding ourselves that Asians are somehow a model minority--they are as committed to our racial displacement and eventual annhilation as any Negro criminal, although their methods differ.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    that child, now grown…
     
    What do you mean, "grown"? I thought we were talking about people of color.
    , @Lagertha
    I think you misunderstood me. My sons are extremely aware of the bullshit of college admissions. If the current USA was actually, interested in meritocratic university admissions, my sons, and their friends from HS days, would have been slam-dunks at: MIT, Stanford, Ivies, etc. Caltech seems to be the last meritocratic institution - they accept 800 (250 enroll) men a year???, so, not good - grad school is what Caltech is for.

    No, my sons will fight for their turf as time goes on. They are gifted and talented. What you may not understand from my post: my sons know the whole "admissions race" is bullshit (along with Asian students): The smartest kids are not getting accepted at elite U's bc of socialism...social engineering.

    Now, my mother, an English teacher, said: "sooner or later, the fruits of the Elite U's in 20 years will be incredibly lackluster....bc, they accepted many legacies - 40% (extremely rich, average IQ kids), athletes (25% - who are so-so students), 10% Pell Grant kids(talent +/-?), and only a measly, 20% of the top 5% academically - the valedictorians, gifted kids." So, according to her: the State U's, 2nd - 3rd tier U's are getting more and more of the most intelligent students....bc $$$$$$.

    The new metric is: graduate with no debt: let the U pay you to come to their institution...especially, if you are super smart but don't have uber-wealthy parents paying for everything. I already read/hear about the griping of elite U's over this fact.

    Millennials hate boomers...and don't care about prestige. Elitism is lame. Millennials want to be rich - very simple. Now, many of them, especially the middle class kids, have a conscience and a moral compass...that was my point. And, lying does not come naturally to them.

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  86. Tiny Duck says:

    You jerks can make flippant comments all you want but the demographic cannot be stopped.

    It would behoove whites to act a little more decently so as to avoid any unpleasantness in the future.

    If justice is not served we might have to have a tragic but necessary Haitian solution

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    And what a great "success" story Haiti has been ever since its "final solution" of whites there, huh sport? And where do Haitians invite themselves to when they flee their all black paradise? Africa? Uh, no. They go to the majority white US.

    Thanks for letting us know what you really think of us btw.
    , @J1234
    I presume you're contributing from somewhere in central Africa, where all those dark skinned people are making your life just wonderful. Wish I could be there with you!
    , @Gary in Gramercy
    Who knew TD went to Wellesley? (Compare "the demographic cannot be stopped," "[i]t would behoove whites...so as to avoid any unpleasantness..." and "[i]f justice is not served" with "The emotional labor required to educate people is immense and is additional weight that is put on those who are already forced to defend their human rights" and, of course, the ever-popular "hostility may be warranted.")

    I was going to ask which bathroom you used, but I don't want to put additional weight on you to expend emotional labor on this topic.
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  87. I keep saying that “getting rid of whitey” is the logical conclusion to every SJW question.

    1. Racism keeps blacks and browns down, i.e. all groups are equally capable.
    2. Whites cause racism. (Even cultural explanation come back to racism, legacy of slavery, etc.)
    3. After more than 50 years of trying to teach them, whites simply refuse to give up their racism because they are hateful. (The proof is the continued poor performance of blacks and browns.)
    4. If whites refuse to stop being racist, then whites must be eliminated to free blacks and browns.

    There’s a certain logic to all of this. So long as blacks and browns do worse than whites, white racism exists and must be fought, using ever more harsh means. After all, blacks and browns can’t wait forever for whites to stop being racist.

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  88. jill says:
    @anon
    There would be a lot more black schoolteachers if so many of them didn't fail the certification tests that many bright high school students could pass. But New York state is working on fixing that problem...

    Problem fixed:
    Academic Literacy Skills Test (ALST) .
    As of March 14, 2017, candidates for teacher certification will no longer be required to take and pass the ALST for certification.

    Literacy no longer needed to teach in New York State

    https://www.nystce.nesinc.com/TestView.aspx?f=HTML_FRAG/NY202_TestPage.html

    Substitution of Experience for Student Teaching

    http://www.highered.nysed.gov/tcert/certificate/ot11.html

    New York City as alternative licensing. There is away around every requirement:

    http://www.teachercertificationdegrees.com/certification/new-york-alternative/

    NYC actively getting rid of all white teachers:
    In January 2015, Mayor Bill de Blasio, in conjunction with New York City’s Young Men’s Initiative, made a bold pledge: NYC will develop new initiatives and programs aiming to put an additional 1,000 men of color on course to become NYC public school teachers over the next three years.

    The Young Men’s Initiative, together with Department of Education, City University of New York, Center for Economic Opportunity, and Teach for America, excitedly announces the launch of NYC Men Teach to recruit and unite Black, Latino and Asian men committed to educating today’s diverse student population; supporting each other’s professional and leadership development; and to empowering the communities they serve.

    The joke of the day:
    Equal Employment Opportunity Statement
    NYC Men Teach does not discriminate based on race or gender. All programs and activities of the NYC Men Teach program are open to all eligible applicants, without regard to race, gender, national origin or other characteristic protected by law.

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    jill, Thank you for the comment and the link and hopefully, all of this nonsense ends with the new DOE.
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  89. “It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time.”

    I have NEVER read or hear anyone make such a comment.

    Incredibly racist and stupid; but that would be redundant, since racists are stupid.

    Any employed African American has a job where he/she has to arrive to work on time.
    This is a Sailerism.

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    "Any" employed African-American? Most, maybe, but my experience has been and is different. My department has only one Black worker left and she is, regularly, 20 minutes to 1/2 hour late to work every single day. Despite the fact that she lives across the street from her place of work. When she gets to work she immediately gets on the phone with her various "Foster" sisters or tells me that she is going to McDonald's or the Post Office to check her P.O. box. Most of her day is spent watching TV shows and playing slots on her computer.

    Her former workmate, also Black, used to regularly call in the morning to tell us to tell her supervisor that she would be late, this happened around 3 times a week. She would often call again at noon to then tell us that she wasn't coming after all, and tell us to tell her supervisor to put it down as "Vacation", because she was out of sick leave. When she did make it to work she spent all day complaining and refusing to do this or that and she played slots about 80% of her time. She was all paranoid and telling us that her supervisor was trying to get rid of her, while we all felt that her supervisor let her get away with murder! We could only scrape together 59 bucks for her retirement gift, her supervisors made up the difference for a $100 Target card. Of course, she threw a hissy fit anyway, saying she deserved a lot more. We were glad to see the back of her!

    These two full time clerical positions are being phased out and Black full time workers who traditionally filled them are being replaced by Asian part time workers. There is now a second language requirement for employment which will make sure that few to no African-Americans are ever hired again.
    , @Diversity Heretic

    I have NEVER read or hear anyone make such a comment.
     
    Your education has been sadly neglected. There's a reason the phrase "Colored People's Time" exists.
    , @anon
    You ever actually WORK with any blacks? In my experience the majority of them were always late. Chronic lateness was the most common feature among my black co-workers.
    , @grapesoda
    People who shove their head up their ass and ignore reality are stupid.

    Besides, the word "racist" means whatever you want it to mean, and the definition keeps changing. You probably think anyone who says the word "black" is automatically racist.
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  90. The attacks against “white culture” (strictly to be antithetical to anything pertaining to western society) continues across academic disciplines and even includes local county taxpayer supported libraries such as the following link that’s found towards the bottom of this main library web page:

    http://www.pbclibrary.org/

    #1000blackgirlbooks
    What to Read Next. “I believe black girl books are really important because when you are young you want to read lots of books, but you especially like to read books with people that look like you.” – Marley Dias, Founder, #1000BlackGirlBooks

    The original quote read: “…but you especially like to read books ‘FROM’ people that look like you.” (this entry was likely changed due to complaints but can likely be found in the original on the “wayback machine” at “archive.org”).

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  91. @Anon
    "The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator. But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes..."

    Doesn't this stereotype whites as those 'tarnished with biases'? That be 'racist'.

    Also, if blacks are so understanding of one another, why are most blacks killed by other blacks?

    And why The Nasty Coates usually whupped by other blacks?

    I guess blacks are more effective at knocking 'sense' into other blacks.

    For every Trayvon killed by a Zimmerman, 50 are killed by another Trayvon.

    'Racism' is like a teat that must be milked for all occasions.

    "What do I want and how do I justify why I deserve it?" For justification, milk the teat of 'racism'.

    Anyway.... how about all white kids be taught by whites, all blacks be taught by blacks?

    Personally, I don't care.

    Doesn’t this stereotype whites as those ‘tarnished with biases’?

    Of course it does. Worse is this is overt racial discrimination. It’s casting the world through a racial lens, seeing people strictly in terms of skin color and race, and advocating public school staffing decisions based overtly on race rather than qualifications as an educator.

    Even worse still is how this is overt systemic voluntary racial segregation. This is arguing that black students benefit from the same ethnicity black teachers and have the right to prefer teachers by same race.

    One of the most widely touted black racial civil rights moments in the US is ending voluntary racial segregation on the parts of whites and the morality that it is wrong for whites to want to keep any identity or affiliation with their ethnic group, but now progressives are advocating for non-whites to have their own exclusive ethnicity, identity, and voluntary racial preferences and segregation.

    It’s this naked hypocrisy and lack of any kind of consistent morality that fuels my distaste for progressives and their civil rights agendas.

    The infamous “Lady Justice” (or Iustitia) wears a blindfold and holds a scale to symbolize her impartiality and her fair and consistent application of laws. That type of consistency is completely antithetical to progressives who just bend the meaning their morality, bend their rules, and even twist the meaning of words to facilitate whatever their demographic wants.

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    Blacks want the roast beef sandwich. They should just ask for it instead of cooking up bogus reasons to justify their hunger.
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  92. Jack D says:
    @Simon in London
    Do white children do better with white teachers? Chinese children with Chinese teachers? Wouldn't surprise me - especially if black teachers like this one are hostile to other races.

    Clearly, segregation is the only way to end child under-performance.

    You have to understand that racism is like subtraction – there’s no commutative property. Whites can’t teach other races, but other races can teach whites because other races can only be victims of racism and cannot be racist themselves. You obviously need further education on this subject but it’s not my job to educate you. That would be the job of the people running the re-education camp that we will send you to.

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  93. Jack D says:
    @education realist
    Yeah, beating black kids. Great idea. F****** moron.

    I don't know why this particular study is getting attention, because for at least a decade or more research has shown that black kids do better with black teachers. Most of the research is done at the elementary level. The academic results for racial matching are much stronger than those for everyone's wet dream of smarter teachers. In fact, Goldhaber finds that:

    .we see that Black and other minority students appear to benefit from being matched with a Black teacher regardless of how well or poorly that teacher performed on the Praxis tests, and these positive effects due to matching with Black teachers are comparable in magnitude to having the highest-performing White teachers in the classroom. Removing the lowest of performers on the exam would necessarily remove some of the teachers that appear to be most effective for this segment of the student population.


    It's not "better" as in the achievement gap disappears, and this yahoo is just making things up when he offers reasons why. But yeah, it's a pretty consistent finding and long before this last study.

    As for blacks cheating on the test, there's only the Clarence Mumford ring, and that happened at a particular time. During the 90s, a whole bunch of blacks became teachers with "emergency" credentials, and never bothered to get real ones, because they couldn't pass the credential test. Then, in 1998, they stopped giving ed degrees to people who couldn't pass the tests, and in 2002 NCLB closed the emergency credential loophole. So there were a lot of blacks with teaching jobs that had to go get credentials and couldn't pass the test. That's when Mumford started the cheating ring, because no one was really noticing. It wasn't really polite to mention that there were a bunch of teachers who couldn't pass the tests.

    No other rings that I'm aware of, and not much cheating. It'd be noticed if suddenly the pass rate shot up in normal circumstances. Plus, the security is pretty tight in most states. (My first attempt to pass a very basic level credential test failed because they rejected my id after the fact. Why? Because I go by my middle name, and my driver's license showed my first and middle name. No, I'm not kidding. Very irritating.)


    "There would be a lot more black schoolteachers if so many of them didn’t fail the certification tests that many bright high school students could pass. But New York state is working on fixing that problem…"

    Passing the credential tests is indeed a problem. However, New York didn't end credentialing tests. All the content knowledge tests are still required, as are the pedagogy tests. This was just a stupid extra test that was creating trouble for them. Most black and Hispanic teachers are elementary teachers, who had higher fail rates to begin with. Why throw out perfectly good black and hispanic teachers just because they can't pass an additional reading test? I was surprised it passed the judicial challenge a while back, and when it did I was pretty certain the state would drop the test.



    I don't disagree with a number of comments here. The media is pushing this in part to offset the NY story. And they are not interested in pushing segregation, but in making sure that black and Hispanic teachers aren't further reduced.

    The way to do that, alas, is to do what I pointed out above: point out that the neverending push for smarter teachers is pointless. Teachers are smart enough. And the push is reducing black/Hispanic teachers, when kids of those races would do better to occasionally run into a teacher of their own race. But that would be translated as "they're too stupid to pass the test".

    Of course, the real problem isn't that there aren't black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era. And a lot of black/Hispanic teachers become principals, which pays a lot better. There are more black principals than there are black secondary teachers. That's because admins are chosen through affirmative action, while the credential tests only have one standard.

    For all the talk about "nice white lady teachers", the fact is that elementary school teachers are disproportionately black and Hispanic. At the high school level, teachers are primarily white but about half male.


    " Potential teachers will be dissuaded. Look for a dumbing-down, offset somewhat by more virtual reality applications. Also look for more calls for military schools."

    Yeah, someone's delusional. And utterly ignorant about why people teach.

    As for blacks cheating on the test, there’s only the Clarence Mumford ring

    The usual form of black teacher cheating is not on their own qualification tests but on the standardized tests that are given to their students. There have been numerous documented cases of black teachers and administrators systematically “improving” their students scores because these scores were used in evaluations and/or bonus calculations.

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  94. Seriously, the anti-white rhetorical hostility level keeps going up and up, which is of course inevitable if in respectable society whites aren’t allowed to point out when blacks cross the line.

    Don’t you mean “when blacks cross our line.”

    People around here – and whites in general – keep getting mad that blacks don’t act like whites. Why on earth do you expect them to act like whites?

    I can understand such silliness from whites who have no clue about HBD, but why do people around here get so upset and confused by black behaviour?

    Would you get mad and confused that your German Shepard doesn’t jump down rat holes like your Rat Terrier? Of course not. So why does everyone around here get upset when blacks don’t act like whites?

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    Bravo
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  95. One of the reasons that Hilary lost: These white lady teachers anger everybody. They are usually pushing the cultural Marxist line, so they make the white boys unhappy. But they make everybody unhappy. So most of the people who were supposed to show up for Hilary stayed home.

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    Without those nice white lady teachers and their unions, Cultural Marxism would have about as much influence as the Flat Earth Society.

    Hoping Trump will do to the NEA and AFT what Reagan did to PATCO and what Thatcher did to the NUM
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  96. Jack D says:

    Seriously, the anti-white rhetorical hostility level keeps going up and up, which is of course inevitable if in respectable society whites aren’t allowed to point out when blacks cross the line.

    Thank God, then, that there is a vigorous free speech movement on campus, so at least our universities are bastions of intellectual discourse where all hypotheses are on the table as the scientific method dictates, instead of ideological echo chambers.

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  97. fish says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.

    Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.

    If my brief excursions to the local War-Mart for cheap sardines is any indication black moms “whup” black boys for the most trivial of reasons…..wanting the Spider Man action figure while mom tries to power through last nights hang over instead of whupping them for setting stray dogs on fire.

    Merely an observation….

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  98. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Alice
    It plays to my biases.

    The nice, sweet, white teachers now talk feelings with the boys, and when that doesn't work, their white principals blame the teacher, not the child. The child must not feel safe!

    But black male teachers tells the black boys' mother that he needs a whuppin'.

    No, not kidding. Heard it myself. Works if you have a black principal backing up the black teacher.

    Maybe if they are told to shape up, some of them do actually shape up.

    Most white teachers are horrified at the thought of the discipline as abuse, so horrified they'd never tell any parent that there's a problem.

    And of course no white principal or teacher is going to say that ever anymore.

    We can't even begin to say it's possible modern progressive discipline methods don't work on some children.

    Modern progressive discipline methods work on very few children – just the white children of Belmont.

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  99. HenryA says:

    After teaching in a northeastern urban school district for some years, I had the realization that most Black kids had no continuous day to day contact with any adult males, Black or White, except their male teachers. Only about one in ten come from a home with two parents. The others live with either their mothers or grandmothers (even grandfathers seem to be absent.) So having Black teachers especially male Black teachers might have a positive effect. Unfortunately many of the Black male teachers I have worked with exhibit the same personal traits as other Black men such as fathering out of wedlock children, and having less than admirable work habits, so they may not be much of a positive role model. Only white male and females teachers seem to have stable family lives and are capable of showing up every day.

    The most competent Black male teachers move quickly into administrative positions and are used primarily as disciplinarians since they are often the only adults that the worst behaved students will respond to. Of course overtime all these problems of what to do with Black student will diminish as school systems like the one I taught at are swamped with Mexican students.

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    Only about one in ten come from a home with two parents.

    About 30% of blacks over 15 are married at any one time v. 52% of non-hispanic whites. The distribution of households between types breaks down similarly, with about 30% of black households being husband-wife family households, and about 52% of non-hispanic white households being of that type.

    What I suspect is true is that only about 10% live in non-blended two-parent families.
    , @Bill

    most Black kids had no continuous day to day contact with any adult males, Black or White, except their male teachers.
     
    I guess you mean stable day-to-day contact with the same male or something like that. Black children have plenty of day-to-day contact with whatever adult males happen to be resident in their mother's/grandmother's home. These males could be boyfriends, brothers, nephews, children, or etc of the local matriarch. Downscale adult black males are frequently homeless by white standards---i.e. they are dependent on girlfriends and female relatives for places to sleep.

    This is probably worse, for the children, than no contact with adult males, of course.
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  100. fish says:
    @anon
    As to what you say about your daughters being regarded as 'black' why was brown-skinned Zimmerman called "white"?

    As to what you say about your daughters being regarded as ‘black’ why was brown-skinned Zimmerman called “white”?

    Because Americans wouldn’t understand “Peruvian – Jew”.

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    Zimmerman is commonly a German name, and I'm fairly sure his father's background was that. His mother was at one time an athletic coach employed by the Peruvian prison system, and her family is racially pardo. Her whole family has bourgeois occupations, but without a great deal of cachet - one brother has an insurance agency, the other is a state trooper. Her husband was in the Army for 37 years, retiring as a Sgt. Major. George Zimmerman spent the larger part of his upbringing in NoVa. Central Florida was their retirement destination.
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  101. Bill says:
    @Desiderius
    It worked when she had the support of her school, nation, and church for the same standards of behavior, with similar consequences for misbehavior.

    That is no longer the case once the nice white ladies get involved.

    For pity’s sake. The nice white ladies are doing exactly what their betters tell them to. Just like they did in the past. Just like they will do in the future. They haven’t changed one iota.

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  102. pyrrhus says:

    It will be a relief when Carlos Slim’s heirs decide to stop supporting the travesty that calls itself the NYT……

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  103. Jason Liu says:

    I think it’s wonderful.

    The less nice white ladies teaching, the less SJW academia will be, and subsequently less SJW bullshit in mainstream culture. In fact, a lot of academic leftism comes from women trying to foist their emotions onto children, and rationalizing it with invented jargon.

    Replace them with good black/other men. I bet they won’t pussify your sons and corrupt your daughter nearly as much as the frumpy cat ladies that infest classrooms today.

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    Fully agreed. "Nice White Ladies" are the main propagators of SJW ideology and BS in our society.

    The types of men who are drawn to the military and policing would make far better teachers. There are a lot of black military veterans who are far better suited for teaching.
    , @Eagle Eye

    I bet they won’t pussify your sons and corrupt your daughter nearly as much as the frumpy cat ladies that infest classrooms today.
     
    Toxoplasma gondii in action.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM6wrV0VLL4

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  104. Art Deco says:
    @fish

    As to what you say about your daughters being regarded as ‘black’ why was brown-skinned Zimmerman called “white”?
     
    Because Americans wouldn't understand "Peruvian - Jew".

    Zimmerman is commonly a German name, and I’m fairly sure his father’s background was that. His mother was at one time an athletic coach employed by the Peruvian prison system, and her family is racially pardo. Her whole family has bourgeois occupations, but without a great deal of cachet – one brother has an insurance agency, the other is a state trooper. Her husband was in the Army for 37 years, retiring as a Sgt. Major. George Zimmerman spent the larger part of his upbringing in NoVa. Central Florida was their retirement destination.

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    ....and now you know why George Zimmerman was described as "white".
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  105. Art Deco says:
    @HenryA
    After teaching in a northeastern urban school district for some years, I had the realization that most Black kids had no continuous day to day contact with any adult males, Black or White, except their male teachers. Only about one in ten come from a home with two parents. The others live with either their mothers or grandmothers (even grandfathers seem to be absent.) So having Black teachers especially male Black teachers might have a positive effect. Unfortunately many of the Black male teachers I have worked with exhibit the same personal traits as other Black men such as fathering out of wedlock children, and having less than admirable work habits, so they may not be much of a positive role model. Only white male and females teachers seem to have stable family lives and are capable of showing up every day.

    The most competent Black male teachers move quickly into administrative positions and are used primarily as disciplinarians since they are often the only adults that the worst behaved students will respond to. Of course overtime all these problems of what to do with Black student will diminish as school systems like the one I taught at are swamped with Mexican students.

    Only about one in ten come from a home with two parents.

    About 30% of blacks over 15 are married at any one time v. 52% of non-hispanic whites. The distribution of households between types breaks down similarly, with about 30% of black households being husband-wife family households, and about 52% of non-hispanic white households being of that type.

    What I suspect is true is that only about 10% live in non-blended two-parent families.

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  106. We should give her what she’s asking for: separate but equal.

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  107. anon says: • Disclaimer

    If black students do better with black teachers, then maybe ending segregation in the 1950′s was a mistake.

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  108. Jack–actually, he said “certification tests” which are definitely the ones teachers take. He also said NCLB tests , though, and that makes more sense. They did happen all over and with black kids.

    But while the teachers in those situations were mostly black, there’s just no way any teacher can decide to cheat his or her students scores without active cooperation, even coercion, by the administration. So the common thread in those cases isn’t black teachers, but black administrators. The teachers say they were afraid for their jobs, and I believe them. Not that this really changes the point.

    HenryA is correct that most black teachers are put into administration. I mentioned that as well. However, it’s really interesting that when you read articles–and there are many–about black teachers complaining that they are used as discipline delivery systems, they never say they are being put in administrative positions (which would involve more money, authority, etc.) Either these articles are all lying or omitting a key point, or they are all saying that they were given tough kids to discipline *in lieu of* their normal teaching job. I’ve often wondered why this story is given time and again with no reporter asking obvious questions.

    “Booming White Nice Lady with a Generic B.A – Out.
    Blooming Laquisha with a Community College Blackity Gender Studies Ausweis – In”

    As is usually the case with these comments, you suffer from a serious restriction of range:

    –The white Millennial bonghitter with a 1.2 GPA who teaches sixth grade science after his parents booted him out of the basement ties the freshly-pressed hardworking black track star with a 3.8 GPA teaching special ed.*

    –The goofball wannabe manicurist who loafed through Podunk U and went into teaching kindergarten after the tenth of her problematic boyfriends dumped her outscores the idealistic black welfare daughter success story on a full scholarship to Harvard who went into teaching sixth grade English to “give back” to her community.

    Desiderius, you could get people to be more polite to you if you didn’t keep pointing out the obvious when you weren’t just wrong.

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    Desiderius, you could get people to be more polite to you if you didn’t keep pointing out the obvious when you weren’t just wrong.
     
    Sorry sweetheart, was talking about how you treat everyone, not just me.

    Good try though.
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  109. “One of the reasons that Hilary lost: These white lady teachers anger everybody. They are usually pushing the cultural Marxist line, so they make the white boys unhappy. But they make everybody unhappy. So most of the people who were supposed to show up for Hilary stayed home.”

    This is just insanely stupid. First, teachers aren’t incredibly progressive. They vote Dem, yes, and a good sliver of them are progressives. But even some of the flakiest aren’t Marxist. 1 in 3 voted for Trump.

    But never mind all that, just get your fuzzy head around this fact: teachers routinely top the list of most respected professions in public surveys.

    “Will “nice white ladies” ever rethink their support for a coalition in which they are increasingly seen as outsiders?”

    I suspect teachers will always be majority Dem. But the cool thing is–and many teachers know this–is that what the political yutzes thinks is irrelevant. Whether it’s the progressives whining about their racism or the conservative yahoos bitching about how stupid and incompetent they are, teachers will continue to get a huge chunk of the public’s respect, and pay based on the realities of school staffing, not the mouthbreathers opining on their jobs.

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    " Teachers will continue to get a huge chunk of the publics respect, and pay based on the realities of school staffing, not the mouthbreathers opining on their jobs"

    Dead wrong, as the "Mouthbreathers" who are paying the over-pampered and incompetent teachers are slowly but surely waking up to the fact of their , the teachers, incompetence, over-compensation, and subversion and covert destruction of US society, and this holds true for lawyers, judges, journalists, medical people, clergy, etc.

    Americans have long held to the german mindset of authority worship, the mindset of accepting any and all of the BS propagated by these academic quacks simply due to their farsical PhDs and meaningless professor titles, and they, the mouthbreathers, are slowly but surely realizing that they have been taken to the cleaners by these scoundrels for eons, and that the time for a genuine restart has arrived, which will sweep the "progressives" the commies out of the system, and then afford true "educators" the chance to put the schools and universities back on the track of doing what they were designed to do, and we know what that is, and it most cvertainly has nothing to do with "gender studies" or "frankfurterism".

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet , and pro jazz artist.

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  110. fish says:
    @Art Deco
    Zimmerman is commonly a German name, and I'm fairly sure his father's background was that. His mother was at one time an athletic coach employed by the Peruvian prison system, and her family is racially pardo. Her whole family has bourgeois occupations, but without a great deal of cachet - one brother has an insurance agency, the other is a state trooper. Her husband was in the Army for 37 years, retiring as a Sgt. Major. George Zimmerman spent the larger part of his upbringing in NoVa. Central Florida was their retirement destination.

    ….and now you know why George Zimmerman was described as “white”.

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    ….and now you know why George Zimmerman was described as “white”.
     
    Initially, he was described as white because that's how the police report described him.
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  111. Svigor says:

    Oh… I don’t know about that. It doesn’t even stand to reason because if you look at the overall atrocities going on in Sub Saharan Africa, serial killing isn’t a significant deviation from the black cultural norm.

    Yes, and no. Serial killing refers to murders committed by the same perpetrator(s) in a series, but in the popular imagination, it refers to a particular type of serial killer; psychosexual, to use NYT’s parlance. The statistics certainly show blacks are overrepresented in the former category, but I’ve never seen any data to suggest that they are overrepresented in the second.
    Common sense suggests that they aren’t as overrepresented in the latter, as in the former, as the latter requires a kind of dedication that doesn’t fit as well with blacks’ general criminal profile as the former does. TL;DR version, short runs of “technical” serial killing where a typical black violent criminal murders more than one person in a stretch is more in line with blacks’ impulsive criminal MO than long stretches of psychosexually-motivated murders of the kind that receive the most sensationalistic attention from the media.

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  113. @Dave Pinsen
    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.

    Slate interviews a childless black Rachel Dolezal lookalike whose new book says whuppin’ black kids ain’t right. Why do blacks whup their chilluns in the first place? Because whitey:

    Patton […] traced the history of spanking to European parenting styles that were eventually passed on to black American slaves.

    I find that when I talk about this issue in a holistic way … when I take them back through 2,000 years of European history to show them how sadistic white people were with their own kids and that they didn’t even recognize their children as children until the 16th century, while we were treating our children as gods, and sacred beings …

    “We wuz Docta Spockz an’ sheeit!”

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    Black Africans do indeed spank their kids. It wasn't learned from whitey.

    Here's one example:

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201412110072.html
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  114. David says:
    @Dr. X
    OK, let me get this straight... if black kids benefit from having black teachers, then logically it would follow that white kids would benefit from having white teachers, so.... therefore we should have segregated schools? Q.E.D., Brown v. Board must be reversed!

    It says “a black teacher.” I took it to mean that if a student has only one black teacher, he’s probably not black, and so is more likely to graduate. No information on the prospects of black boys with 5 or 6 black teachers.

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  115. 3g4me says:
    @Ivy
    Current teachers will retire while they still have access to a viable pension plan, which is no longer a sure thing in many areas. Potential teachers will be dissuaded. Look for a dumbing-down, offset somewhat by more virtual reality applications. Also look for more calls for military schools.

    One could hardly dumb-down public schoolteachers any further than they already are. Education majors have the lowest SAT scores, lowest GRE scores, and are generally full-to-the-brim with the latest “learning theories,” none of which work. While fully aware of all these things, I was still astonished by the absolute ignorance and vapidity of those education majors I knew as an undergrad, and found all those “fully certified” teachers my sons’ Christian schools boasted of to be far inferior to the older teachers without such rarified credentials.

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  116. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Massimo Heitor

    Doesn’t this stereotype whites as those ‘tarnished with biases’?
     
    Of course it does. Worse is this is overt racial discrimination. It's casting the world through a racial lens, seeing people strictly in terms of skin color and race, and advocating public school staffing decisions based overtly on race rather than qualifications as an educator.

    Even worse still is how this is overt systemic voluntary racial segregation. This is arguing that black students benefit from the same ethnicity black teachers and have the right to prefer teachers by same race.

    One of the most widely touted black racial civil rights moments in the US is ending voluntary racial segregation on the parts of whites and the morality that it is wrong for whites to want to keep any identity or affiliation with their ethnic group, but now progressives are advocating for non-whites to have their own exclusive ethnicity, identity, and voluntary racial preferences and segregation.

    It's this naked hypocrisy and lack of any kind of consistent morality that fuels my distaste for progressives and their civil rights agendas.

    The infamous "Lady Justice" (or Iustitia) wears a blindfold and holds a scale to symbolize her impartiality and her fair and consistent application of laws. That type of consistency is completely antithetical to progressives who just bend the meaning their morality, bend their rules, and even twist the meaning of words to facilitate whatever their demographic wants.

    Blacks want the roast beef sandwich. They should just ask for it instead of cooking up bogus reasons to justify their hunger.

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  117. Gringo says:

    In the past, affirmative action for black schoolteachers, especially black male teachers, was usually justified with a Role Model rationale: It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time. (Another reason offered more quietly was the hope that tough black guys could discipline black boys better.)

    Back in the ’90s, the local paper had an article on the issue of getting more black teachers, using the Role Model argument. It quoted a black female principal, who had done a good job of improving a difficult middle school. The black female principal told the paper, “For children, the content of the vessel is much more important than the color of the vessel.”

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  118. res says:
    @education realist
    Yeah, beating black kids. Great idea. F****** moron.

    I don't know why this particular study is getting attention, because for at least a decade or more research has shown that black kids do better with black teachers. Most of the research is done at the elementary level. The academic results for racial matching are much stronger than those for everyone's wet dream of smarter teachers. In fact, Goldhaber finds that:

    .we see that Black and other minority students appear to benefit from being matched with a Black teacher regardless of how well or poorly that teacher performed on the Praxis tests, and these positive effects due to matching with Black teachers are comparable in magnitude to having the highest-performing White teachers in the classroom. Removing the lowest of performers on the exam would necessarily remove some of the teachers that appear to be most effective for this segment of the student population.


    It's not "better" as in the achievement gap disappears, and this yahoo is just making things up when he offers reasons why. But yeah, it's a pretty consistent finding and long before this last study.

    As for blacks cheating on the test, there's only the Clarence Mumford ring, and that happened at a particular time. During the 90s, a whole bunch of blacks became teachers with "emergency" credentials, and never bothered to get real ones, because they couldn't pass the credential test. Then, in 1998, they stopped giving ed degrees to people who couldn't pass the tests, and in 2002 NCLB closed the emergency credential loophole. So there were a lot of blacks with teaching jobs that had to go get credentials and couldn't pass the test. That's when Mumford started the cheating ring, because no one was really noticing. It wasn't really polite to mention that there were a bunch of teachers who couldn't pass the tests.

    No other rings that I'm aware of, and not much cheating. It'd be noticed if suddenly the pass rate shot up in normal circumstances. Plus, the security is pretty tight in most states. (My first attempt to pass a very basic level credential test failed because they rejected my id after the fact. Why? Because I go by my middle name, and my driver's license showed my first and middle name. No, I'm not kidding. Very irritating.)


    "There would be a lot more black schoolteachers if so many of them didn’t fail the certification tests that many bright high school students could pass. But New York state is working on fixing that problem…"

    Passing the credential tests is indeed a problem. However, New York didn't end credentialing tests. All the content knowledge tests are still required, as are the pedagogy tests. This was just a stupid extra test that was creating trouble for them. Most black and Hispanic teachers are elementary teachers, who had higher fail rates to begin with. Why throw out perfectly good black and hispanic teachers just because they can't pass an additional reading test? I was surprised it passed the judicial challenge a while back, and when it did I was pretty certain the state would drop the test.



    I don't disagree with a number of comments here. The media is pushing this in part to offset the NY story. And they are not interested in pushing segregation, but in making sure that black and Hispanic teachers aren't further reduced.

    The way to do that, alas, is to do what I pointed out above: point out that the neverending push for smarter teachers is pointless. Teachers are smart enough. And the push is reducing black/Hispanic teachers, when kids of those races would do better to occasionally run into a teacher of their own race. But that would be translated as "they're too stupid to pass the test".

    Of course, the real problem isn't that there aren't black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era. And a lot of black/Hispanic teachers become principals, which pays a lot better. There are more black principals than there are black secondary teachers. That's because admins are chosen through affirmative action, while the credential tests only have one standard.

    For all the talk about "nice white lady teachers", the fact is that elementary school teachers are disproportionately black and Hispanic. At the high school level, teachers are primarily white but about half male.


    " Potential teachers will be dissuaded. Look for a dumbing-down, offset somewhat by more virtual reality applications. Also look for more calls for military schools."

    Yeah, someone's delusional. And utterly ignorant about why people teach.

    Of course, the real problem isn’t that there aren’t black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era. And a lot of black/Hispanic teachers become principals, which pays a lot better. There are more black principals than there are black secondary teachers. That’s because admins are chosen through affirmative action, while the credential tests only have one standard.

    Thanks for this and the linked article (and associated data). I was aware of the mismatch phenomenon, but had not really thought through the implications of relatively stringent ability testing in professions in the cognitive midrange.

    Have you looked at other professions that fall into this category? For example, I’m guessing this effect is what drives much of the controversy with fire/police testing?

    As an aside, this has scary implications for the cognitively midrange positions that are doing affirmative action without testing (or with gutted criteria).

    What about the military? Given current relatively high AFQT recruiting thresholds (presumably even more so for officers) I would expect black overrepresentation (relative to ability present in the population) there to put pressure on the black talent pool overall. Any thoughts on this?

    Lastly, I’m not sure how much to trust population prevalence arguments based on IQ mean/SD looking at the numbers of blacks in the right tail. Here is some discussion of that in the IQ 130-140 range (this and other comments for that article): http://www.unz.com/jthompson/micro-aggression-and-hyper-sensitivity/#comment-1818691
    What I am seeing looks like ~10x more blacks in those ranges than I would expect from a naive IQ mean 85 with SD 15 argument. Proposed reasons being a mixture of racial admixture and selective high IQ immigration (this has also been discussed in comments on some of Chanda Chisala’s articles here).
    The issue I raise should have less of an impact at lower thresholds, but I wish someone would do a real analysis estimating the numbers of US blacks at different IQ thresholds in the right tail.

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    I think you are getting your #'s mixed up. Blacks make up 1% of those scoring above 700, not 1% of all black test takers, so they are already >10x underrepresented on the above 700 scores:

    http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

    Out of around 150,000 black test takes, 1,000 score above 700, vs around 50,000 whites, so the ratio is almost 50 to 1. Even the 1,000 is surely not made up out of your usual ghetto descendants of Southern American black slaves - among that group 700+ scorers are as rare as Vietnamese NFL cornerbacks. Rather they are mostly bi-racial blacks like Obama (usually raised by white mothers), talented tenth mulattoes like Benjamin Jealous who are 7/8 white, Nigeria Igbos, Caribbean mulattoes, etc. Guys like Ben Carson or Clarence Thomas are count on the fingers of one hand rare.
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  119. Bill says:
    @Alice
    It plays to my biases.

    The nice, sweet, white teachers now talk feelings with the boys, and when that doesn't work, their white principals blame the teacher, not the child. The child must not feel safe!

    But black male teachers tells the black boys' mother that he needs a whuppin'.

    No, not kidding. Heard it myself. Works if you have a black principal backing up the black teacher.

    Maybe if they are told to shape up, some of them do actually shape up.

    Most white teachers are horrified at the thought of the discipline as abuse, so horrified they'd never tell any parent that there's a problem.

    And of course no white principal or teacher is going to say that ever anymore.

    We can't even begin to say it's possible modern progressive discipline methods don't work on some children.

    I think Dave Pinsen’s observation is the explanation for Alice’s. A timeout is not much of a disincentive to a child who has been scalded with hot water, locked in a closet for hours, or beaten bloody.

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  120. Bill says:
    @HenryA
    After teaching in a northeastern urban school district for some years, I had the realization that most Black kids had no continuous day to day contact with any adult males, Black or White, except their male teachers. Only about one in ten come from a home with two parents. The others live with either their mothers or grandmothers (even grandfathers seem to be absent.) So having Black teachers especially male Black teachers might have a positive effect. Unfortunately many of the Black male teachers I have worked with exhibit the same personal traits as other Black men such as fathering out of wedlock children, and having less than admirable work habits, so they may not be much of a positive role model. Only white male and females teachers seem to have stable family lives and are capable of showing up every day.

    The most competent Black male teachers move quickly into administrative positions and are used primarily as disciplinarians since they are often the only adults that the worst behaved students will respond to. Of course overtime all these problems of what to do with Black student will diminish as school systems like the one I taught at are swamped with Mexican students.

    most Black kids had no continuous day to day contact with any adult males, Black or White, except their male teachers.

    I guess you mean stable day-to-day contact with the same male or something like that. Black children have plenty of day-to-day contact with whatever adult males happen to be resident in their mother’s/grandmother’s home. These males could be boyfriends, brothers, nephews, children, or etc of the local matriarch. Downscale adult black males are frequently homeless by white standards—i.e. they are dependent on girlfriends and female relatives for places to sleep.

    This is probably worse, for the children, than no contact with adult males, of course.

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  121. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clark Westwood

    Seriously, the anti-white rhetorical hostility level keeps going up and up, which is of course inevitable if in respectable society whites aren’t allowed to point out when blacks cross the line.
     
    This is why the establishment actually needs alt-right news outlets. "I'm shocked, shocked, to find people ridiculing our racial pieties!"

    This is why the establishment actually needs alt-right news outlets. “I’m shocked, shocked, to find people ridiculing our racial pieties!”

    Slavery virtue signalling has been the time-worn strategy of black folks, which is to be expected, since it ironically has kept them relatively safe from scrutiny, allowing them to act like negro minstrel show characters. You can’t be ashamed of your minstrel behavior if there’s nobody around to shame you. Your culture will then allow you to believe that behaving like a tragicomic figure on the world’s stage is a collective feature, not a bug.

    On rare occasions, someone will deviate from the norm, usually an insightful black person, but they’ll be shut down either by their own will to survive, or like Cosby, shamed and harassed into submission.

    Here’s a well-known Chris Rock black shaming his audience. I presume it was done in frustration with the lowest common denominator of his culture screwing up his millionaire life. You may be Chris Rock when a cop pulls you over on a lonely highway, or when you walk into Bergdorf Goodman, but the patina of being Black also hangs heavy during the first few moments, I’m sure.

    It should be noted, he didn’t do it again. They likely let him walk away because of that:

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    This stand up special was called Bring the Pain. And he did. Too much, it would seem because his next stand-up special was called "Bigger and BLACKER" and contained none of the tough love of BTP. I guess he saw a white camera man laughing a little too hard at "I take care of my keeds!" and couldn't handle the existential crisis it triggered.

    Since then, Colt FortyFeinberg on Howard Stern was funnier.
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  122. res says:
    @Desiderius
    The high horse is (very) tiresome. Get over yourself.

    Of course, the real problem isn’t that there aren’t black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era.
     
    The two are (obviously) not mutually exclusive but two aspects of the same phenomenon. If you've got an IQ/achievement gap, you'll have both too few in the middle and that exacerbated by the too few at the top sucking the too few you've already got in the middle to fill in for the top, making it even worse.

    Did you pick up on the subtlety that the relative testing difficulty between professions is important as well? If it is true that the HS teacher qualifying test thresholds are in the vicinity of thresholds for a decent probability of passing the bar after multiple attempts (a point I find plausible but which I think needs more support, same for doctor thresholds) then ER’s point about teaching capable blacks becoming lawyers instead makes sense IMHO.

    A related question is, what are the blacks who fail the bar generally doing as a final profession? If they tend to group in a small number of professions I suspect that says something about those professions.

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    Did you pick up on the subtlety that the relative testing difficulty between professions is important as well?
     
    Yeah, and I've taken the Praxis tests as well. The content test was no problem, but I barely passed the pedagogy one, and I had just finished two years of graduate pedagogy coursework that you need to get certified, and thus hired in the suburban schools, and I'm usually a test-taking savant. It was like a driver's license test from hell. There may be some SJW screening built in that.

    A related question is, what are the blacks who fail the bar generally doing as a final profession? If they tend to group in a small number of professions I suspect that says something about those professions.
     
    Getting to that point (prepared to pass the bar) though tends to take a good bit of self-directed effort and/or connections that blacks may be less good with, aside from intelligence/aptitude.
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  123. Tipsy says:

    The Left, their political arm (Democrats), their entertainment arm (Hollywood), their pedogogical arm (Public Education), and their propaganda arm (MSM) have been feeding America a steady diet of misoleukism (Diversity is our strength!) and misandrosy (Down with the Patriarchy!) for decades.

    Whatever. What cracks me up is when the Left wrings its hands and earnestly wonders why white males no longer support them.

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  124. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    A related question is, what are the blacks who fail the bar generally doing as a final profession? If they tend to group in a small number of professions I suspect that says something about those professions.

    They relegate themselves to unionized jobs, making it especially difficult to fire them for incompetence, which leads them to the government sector. If black people worked regular jobs where performance could be measured and scrutinized, leading to being fired if they didn’t measure up, a sizable number of blacks willing to work would be perpetually unemployed.

    Government jobs is the gentleman’s welfare grant for blacks who want to work, but are otherwise unemployable, or of limited abilities. Why sit home getting chintzy checks from the government when you could work at the Department of Motor Vehicles, and get a pension? Why would you work as a manager for McDonald’s when you could be the Mayor of Compton?

    The Government jobs network allow black people who insist they want to work, to try it without the pressure of performance goals, and appear to white people as employable.

    Note that the current black serial killer at large was a government employee. Lending to the traditional tragic-comic life of many a black man, he was employed as a health-care worker. Black Culture is nothing if not chock full of ridiculous ironies.

    A ridiculous man-child, a social moron who believes he’s smarter than he is, victimized by others, and his reality floated by our quasi-welfare system we call “government jobs.” Without that government job, he would have been living in his mother’s basement, waiting for his welfare check. Where he belonged.

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    If black people worked regular jobs where performance could be measured and scrutinized, leading to being fired if they didn’t measure up, a sizable number of blacks willing to work would be perpetually unemployed.
     
    Or it could be that blacks (like regular whites) struggle in environments with relatively little structure/authority but do better where the dominance dynamics are more clear cut.
    , @Art Deco
    If black people worked regular jobs where performance could be measured and scrutinized, leading to being fired if they didn’t measure up, a sizable number of blacks willing to work would be perpetually unemployed.

    WTF are you talking about? Over 70% of all employed blacks work at what are unambiguously clock-in hourly wage jobs. They're heavily represented in personal service jobs where you get a lot of client feedback and are under observation by strangers. The proprietorships in which blacks are most disproportionately common are barber shops, where performance evaluation isn't bedeviled by any opacity. There are some disproportionately black occupations which have a weak disciplinary regime (Postal Service), but that's due to the characteristics of the institution, not the job itself.

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  125. Res,

    As anyone can tell you, I’m not good at looking at data beyond very broad conclusions on big samples. I can come up with interpretations once someone else massages it. But the BLS data seems to show that preference plays a part, not just IQ. There are a *lot* of white lawyers–more than white high school teachers. Blacks, on the other hand, seem to have a preference for health care services.

    Also, what I think Des was missing is that most credential tests drop their cut scores by a standard deviation to pick up blacks and Hispanics. But they can do this secure in the knowledge that the whites and Asians that could easily pass this lower standard will never get accepted to law or med school. So bar exams can have a pretty low cut score without having to worry that they’ll let in too many low-skill lawyers–the only ones that can get that far would be black or Hispanic, and what looks low to whites is still a pretty high bar for them. So even if the skill level is lower, the conscientiousness, etc, will be high.

    But teaching credential tests, *have* to test the subject matter. You actually need it in order to do the job. So the original Praxis I test was very, very easy and yet still cut out a lot of prospective NAM elementary teachers. Then they made it more difficult in 2002. States are in the process of easing back on these standards (not as publicly as NY) because it’s gotten them no gain in student achievement yet is hurting the supply of black teachers, who are the ones most eager to teach in low achievement schools.

    This is even worse in math and science subjects, where you have to demonstrate ability in the fundamentals of calculus to get credentialed in many states. I think it’s quite possible that it’s easier for a black person to get into law school and pass the bar exam than it is get credentialed in math or science in CA, NY, and the other tough states.

    That’s why I think we should create a lower bar for K-3 teachers, to let in more blacks and Hispanics in elementary school. And really, do we need all these social workers? That’d be how I’d push it, to increase black teachers without sacrificing needed knowledge.

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    what I think Des was missing
     
    Not missing, arguing.

    The proposal was to create a non-accredited school. I said that wouldn't work legally. That's a problem with the law and lawyers, not with the proposal per se.

    "Lowering" teacher standards for black schools is no problem, since they were only raised in the minds of the college professors or Goldman types who were doing the raising. The only abstract learning worth doing flows from the concrete, and the concrete only happens with engagement. SJW bullshit kills that engagement.

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  126. For there to be quality black teachers teaching black kids, schools will have to outbid Corporate America (which has explicit quotas to fill.) The talented tenth is thus subject to a bidding war.

    Just add it all to Whitey’s bill. After all, Whitey’s doomed to pay for whatever is deemed necessary to square the circles of our world.

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  127. “For example, I’m guessing this effect is what drives much of the controversy with fire/police testing?”

    Yes. If my theory is correct, it would affect any profession that has a reasonably difficult credential/certification test but *doesn’t* have a highly competitive grad school winnowing out otherwise highly qualified whites and Asians.

    “As an aside, this has scary implications for the cognitively midrange positions that are doing affirmative action without testing (or with gutted criteria).”

    Yes, but I don’t think that exists, do you?

    “What about the military? Given current relatively high AFQT recruiting thresholds (presumably even more so for officers) I would expect black overrepresentation (relative to ability present in the population) there to put pressure on the black talent pool overall. Any thoughts on this?”

    I think Steve knows more about this. My understanding is that since the draft ending in the 70s, the military has been a good career for blacks and I would certainly think it looks preferable to teaching. More career choices, more advancement for the ambitious.

    And I suspect that TFA’s much vaunted increase in diversity has come in part by picking up failed lawyers and retired military.

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    And I suspect that TFA’s much vaunted increase in diversity has come in part by picking up failed lawyers and retired military.
     
    TFA is a ruling-class marker.
    , @res

    Yes, but I don’t think that exists, do you?
     
    My sense is a fair number of corporate positions are like that. Then there are the government jobs. Jimmy Carter gutted the civil service exam and I don't think it has ever recovered. I'm not an expert in these areas so I definitely welcome corrections which include evidence.

    I think you are right about the military being a good career choice for blacks. My point was that it requires a certain amount of cognitive ability to meet the screens and drawing a disproportionate number of those eligible reduces the pool available to provide 13% representation in other fields.
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  128. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I was a teaching assistant at a school with a terrible diversitard science teacher. The first and most vociferous complaints came from the dindu yoots themselves. Hard to fake teaching – like medics – whereas (((law firms))) can easily give them a sinecure as a diversity consultant or black actors / police / sportsman rep.

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  129. Michelle says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.
     
    Uuh - and isn't it bad that you notice this?
    Racist?

    (If you have a look at David Jackson's article and Steve Sailer's explanations - and your "critical" comment and my "critique" of it - this all makes up for a perpetuum moblile of the societal kind. - This can go on forever like this. And if you imagine now, that we all board a time machine and have a look at it - for some few hundred years into the future from now on - would that be heaven, we see, or rather something else?)

    Oh, man, your comment is deep!

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    Thanks - for diving into it.
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  130. @BenKenobi
    "For the wages of dindoin-nuffin is death."

    - Saint Skittles, the Innocuous.

    Ben, very funny and St Trayvon came along just in time to replace St. Emmit Till, the memory of whom was fading. Have to keep this shit fresh.

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    Till was kidnapped and beaten to death by a pair of malevolent local shopkeepers for supposedly sassing the wife of one of them. (She'd elected not to discuss the incident with them but someone else let the cat out of the bag). Trayvon Martin was shot to death by a man he'd attacked for no defensible reason (and on whom he was practicing his MMA moves). I'm not seeing the analogy here.
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  131. @Anon
    "The fact that my skin color matches that of my students doesn’t give me any superpowers as an educator. But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes..."

    Doesn't this stereotype whites as those 'tarnished with biases'? That be 'racist'.

    Also, if blacks are so understanding of one another, why are most blacks killed by other blacks?

    And why The Nasty Coates usually whupped by other blacks?

    I guess blacks are more effective at knocking 'sense' into other blacks.

    For every Trayvon killed by a Zimmerman, 50 are killed by another Trayvon.

    'Racism' is like a teat that must be milked for all occasions.

    "What do I want and how do I justify why I deserve it?" For justification, milk the teat of 'racism'.

    Anyway.... how about all white kids be taught by whites, all blacks be taught by blacks?

    Personally, I don't care.

    Based on what you wrote, you need to ask:

    If whites are so understanding of each other, why are most whites killed by other whites?
    SEE how stereotypes work?

    Stop trying to dehumanize black people and act as if white people are so much more decent than others.

    Who was attending lynchings as if they were family entertainment? White people. Who slaughtered Native Americans?

    SEE how that works when you readily point out the flaws in other groups but fail to consider the realities of white people and their violence?

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    CC, I get what you're trying to demonstrate but for a matter of record, Native Americans, on both continents, captured, tortured, raped and killed NAs of different tribes as part of their culture.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    The reality is that white people of European origin have flaws but they are my people.

    We displaced the aboriginal inhabitants of North America, killing them when necessary. Aboriginal Americans did the same thing to each other and tried to do it to Europeans. We were better at it.

    The nature of Negro intellect and comportment, and the dysfunction of Negro communities meant that quick retributive violence was often the best solution to a crime. Sometimes it had to be employed in the white community as well. Like any human institution, it wasn't right 100% of the time, but Judge Lynch wasn't always wrong.
    , @anon
    Such a straw man argument.
    , @Anon
    Hey, you got new batteries for your virtue dildo.
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  132. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jason Liu
    I think it's wonderful.

    The less nice white ladies teaching, the less SJW academia will be, and subsequently less SJW bullshit in mainstream culture. In fact, a lot of academic leftism comes from women trying to foist their emotions onto children, and rationalizing it with invented jargon.

    Replace them with good black/other men. I bet they won't pussify your sons and corrupt your daughter nearly as much as the frumpy cat ladies that infest classrooms today.

    Fully agreed. “Nice White Ladies” are the main propagators of SJW ideology and BS in our society.

    The types of men who are drawn to the military and policing would make far better teachers. There are a lot of black military veterans who are far better suited for teaching.

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  133. MBlanc46 says:

    Black teachers for black schools. White teachers for white schools. This is a principle that can be applied to many domains of social life.

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  134. Forbes says:
    @res
    Some interesting wording in that paper (emphasis mine here and below):

    Using longitudinal administrative data on all public school students in North Carolina, we show that black students who are as good as randomly assigned to a black teacher at least once in the third, fourth, or fifth grades are more likely to aspire to college and less likely to drop out of high school.
     
    I don't have the patience or background to wade through their methods to determine validity, but a quick skim did not give me warm fuzzies (e.g. "we calculate the share of teachers who are black among grade 3-5 teachers that a student would potentially encounter if they progressed through grades 3, 4, and 5 in the same school in the course of three academic years"). Any other opinions?

    The WaPo had a recent article on this paper as well: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/04/09/study-black-students-from-poor-families-are-more-likely-to-graduate-high-school-if-they-have-at-least-one-black-teacher/

    But isn't the logical conclusion of this research that we should go back to segregated schools with teachers of the same race?

    Back to the real world, why can't we just have some of these educational researchers start a charter school implementing their ideas in a majority black area? Then if it works expand the program.

    Doesn’t pass the smell test. It’s data mining.

    What is the operative condition that causes a black student, having once had a black teacher in grades 3, 4, or 5, to be “more likely to aspire to college and less likely to drop out of high school”?

    Like Magic Dirt, has Magic Air been discovered?

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    It smells to me as well, but I think it might be real. I kind of buy the role model argument. Then there is the argument that same race teachers are better able to discipline without getting in trouble. And it does seem to replicate (e.g. see educationrealist's comments or do a web search), although I don't feel competent to judge the validity of the individual studies.
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  135. MBlanc46 says:
    @The Z Blog
    I don't think it can do anything but reach the logical end point. Interesting, blacks seem to be a few clicks ahead of the white Progs in carrying forward the logic of the Left. If the gap between black and white is due to racism, and all efforts to address that racism have not closed the gap, then maybe the time for negotiating is over. It's now time to settle things the old fashioned way.

    We just might be on the verge of settling things yhe old-fashioned way in the US.

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  136. @Anonymous
    Since we currently have another black self-described serial killer, doing some real fancy-pants serial killing live on Facebook, and is currently on the loose...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4416996/Cops-hunt-man-shot-killed-man-Facebook-Live.html

    has anyone got some good stats on black serial killers in the United States, and how they compare on a percentage basis with other races? I suspect black serial killers are not getting all the credit they deserve.

    I've always suspected that many black serial killers are never identified, much less caught, who practice their craft in traditionally popular black killing fields such as Chicago and Baltimore.

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.

    I recall reading a recent article in which an LA detective noted that there are far more operating serial killers floating about the city than the public would care to know, and will likely never be caught.

    Anybody got recent stats?

    Anonymous, Google “Zebra Killers” for a group of blacks that stalked and killed whites only in San Francisco/Bay Area in the 60s. I think today they would be labeled as terrorists not serial killers. There was very little coverage of these murders which, IIRC, occurred around the time of the Zodiac killer.

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    '70s, actually. The violence they committed tore San Francisco apart, and came close to starting a genuine race war, as whites were doing drive by shootings of random blacks in retaliation. It says a lot about Joe Alioto and Donald Scott that they prevented something like what happened in Los Angeles in 1992 from occurring, albeit with very harsh police tactics that resembled what Giuliani would do later in New York. Fortunately, the SFPD caught the suspects and restored civic peace. (Alioto's mayoralty was the last gasp of the old SF, before his successor Moscone and Milk trashed it.)

    David Talbot's book Season Of The Witch talks about the Zebra murders
    , @MBlanc46
    The Zebra killings were in 73-74. I was living in SF at the time. A buddy and I were stopped by the cops while walking through the Mission district. Although we bore littl resemblance to the black perps, I've always supposed it was because of the killings.
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  137. Jack D says:
    @res

    Of course, the real problem isn’t that there aren’t black and Hispanics that can pass the test, but that those who can pass the tests are smart enough to become lawyers and doctors in the affirmative action era. And a lot of black/Hispanic teachers become principals, which pays a lot better. There are more black principals than there are black secondary teachers. That’s because admins are chosen through affirmative action, while the credential tests only have one standard.
     
    Thanks for this and the linked article (and associated data). I was aware of the mismatch phenomenon, but had not really thought through the implications of relatively stringent ability testing in professions in the cognitive midrange.

    Have you looked at other professions that fall into this category? For example, I'm guessing this effect is what drives much of the controversy with fire/police testing?

    As an aside, this has scary implications for the cognitively midrange positions that are doing affirmative action without testing (or with gutted criteria).

    What about the military? Given current relatively high AFQT recruiting thresholds (presumably even more so for officers) I would expect black overrepresentation (relative to ability present in the population) there to put pressure on the black talent pool overall. Any thoughts on this?

    Lastly, I'm not sure how much to trust population prevalence arguments based on IQ mean/SD looking at the numbers of blacks in the right tail. Here is some discussion of that in the IQ 130-140 range (this and other comments for that article): http://www.unz.com/jthompson/micro-aggression-and-hyper-sensitivity/#comment-1818691
    What I am seeing looks like ~10x more blacks in those ranges than I would expect from a naive IQ mean 85 with SD 15 argument. Proposed reasons being a mixture of racial admixture and selective high IQ immigration (this has also been discussed in comments on some of Chanda Chisala's articles here).
    The issue I raise should have less of an impact at lower thresholds, but I wish someone would do a real analysis estimating the numbers of US blacks at different IQ thresholds in the right tail.

    I think you are getting your #’s mixed up. Blacks make up 1% of those scoring above 700, not 1% of all black test takers, so they are already >10x underrepresented on the above 700 scores:

    http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

    Out of around 150,000 black test takes, 1,000 score above 700, vs around 50,000 whites, so the ratio is almost 50 to 1. Even the 1,000 is surely not made up out of your usual ghetto descendants of Southern American black slaves – among that group 700+ scorers are as rare as Vietnamese NFL cornerbacks. Rather they are mostly bi-racial blacks like Obama (usually raised by white mothers), talented tenth mulattoes like Benjamin Jealous who are 7/8 white, Nigeria Igbos, Caribbean mulattoes, etc. Guys like Ben Carson or Clarence Thomas are count on the fingers of one hand rare.

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    Thanks for the reply and the reference (a good one!), Jack. Let me run through this in some more detail and see what you think.

    I was keying off the type of numbers in your first paragraph. The relevant quote from your reference:

    Thus, in this top-scoring category of all SAT test takers, blacks made up only 1.1 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the math test and only 1.5 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the verbal SAT.
     
    So if we split the difference we get 1.3% or almost exactly 10x underrepresented. This is comparable to the 1-2% number I thought was for NMSF (~140 IQ, a good bit higher threshold that 700 SAT I think). Double checking my reference for that though: https://www.jbhe.com/2015/09/national-merit-scholarship-corporation-ends-its-program-for-black-students-entering-college/
    I'm not sure they meant NMSF (National Merit Semifinalists) after all. I've learned to be extremely skeptical of any ambiguity in statements concerning this area, but it looks like I missed that one.

    So if we assume the >700 SAT scores correspond to 130 IQ (I think the IQ may be lower, what do you think?) we see from Emil's tail effects calculator (after changing blue population size to 0.87 and red population size to 0.13): http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects
    an expected percentage of those meeting the threshold of 0.9%. This is fairly close to our 1.3%.

    Doing a similar analysis with the white/black 40x numbers we change the blue population to 0.63 (white non-hispanic) in Emil's calculator and get an expected ratio of ~80x.

    So there may be a small effect in the direction I observed but nowhere near as large as I thought (say 2x max and probably 1.5x or less).

    Even the 1,000 is surely not made up out of your usual ghetto descendants of Southern American black slaves – among that group 700+ scorers are as rare as Vietnamese NFL cornerbacks. Rather they are mostly bi-racial blacks like Obama (usually raised by white mothers), talented tenth mulattoes like Benjamin Jealous who are 7/8 white, Nigeria Igbos, Caribbean mulattoes, etc.
     
    I agree with this. This is what I was trying to propose as the reason for the mismatch between calculated and actual representation. The follow on question is whether this dominance extends a tier or two down into the black lawyer and teacher capable group. I'm guessing it does, but to a lesser extent.

    What do you think? I appreciate your engaging with me on this.

    P.S. Link to a related recent iSteve post: http://www.unz.com/isteve/brookings-race-gaps-in-sat-math-scores-are-as-big-as-ever/
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  138. @Steve Sailer
    A lady freelance journalist in L.A. (Pelisek?) about a decade ago figure out that the new serial killer in town was actually an old one who had stopped for a decade or two: the Grim Sleeper.

    After that, the LAPD went through their cold cases and figured out that there had been at least 5 serial killers active in South Central LA, the Grim Sleeper and four other who had been imprisoned later in other states, who had killed about 100 crack whores among them in the 1980s and 1990s without anybody noticing they were serial killers. Everybody just assumed it was some crack gang thing like all the other killings. One of the five was white, the other four black.

    So, yeah, a Ted Bundy (who attended a Republican national convention as a Nelson Rockefeller supporter) type is more likely to get media and police attention than a Grim Sleeper type serial killer.

    But, it's still likely that the black serial killer percentage is well below the black run of the mill killer percentage. It's possible that the really overrepresented ethnicity among serial killers are Juan Corona-style Hispanics, but nobody has much looked into this.

    Steve, Anthony Sowell killed 11 black women in Cleveland, most of whom were addicts and prostitutes. He disposed of most of their bodies in his house and yard and eventually the stench led to a closer investigation of him.

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    There was a very odd documentary about this serial killer on the "VICE TV" network.

    The narrative of the documentary tried to lay the blame for the delay in solving the murders on "racist whites" in the Cleveland police department. The narrative was forced and illogical.

    In fact, one main source of the delay in solving the crimes was documented in the story : racist neighborhood blacks mis-attributed the worsening stench (which was actually from the dead bodies in the black guy's floor-boards) instead to the "smelly Arab" who owned the local market.

    https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/39the-cleveland-strangler39-the-story-of-a-brutal-serial-killer-and-his-forgotten-victims/5627aef60318acf87853d72e

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  139. @Trelane
    Black children do better when they are educated by black teachers.

    It would be so awesome to see black folk unshackled from the confines of white racism for the first time since the last universal common ancestor 3.8 billion years ago.

    Trelane, I moved the letters of your name around and I can’t seem to spell Tiny Duck. Are you our new Troll? We are rather fond of TD.

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    Sarcasm Joe, it was sarcasm.
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  140. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @August Hurtel
    One of the reasons that Hilary lost: These white lady teachers anger everybody. They are usually pushing the cultural Marxist line, so they make the white boys unhappy. But they make everybody unhappy. So most of the people who were supposed to show up for Hilary stayed home.

    Without those nice white lady teachers and their unions, Cultural Marxism would have about as much influence as the Flat Earth Society.

    Hoping Trump will do to the NEA and AFT what Reagan did to PATCO and what Thatcher did to the NUM

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  141. 3g4me says:
    @Anonymous
    Since we currently have another black self-described serial killer, doing some real fancy-pants serial killing live on Facebook, and is currently on the loose...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4416996/Cops-hunt-man-shot-killed-man-Facebook-Live.html

    has anyone got some good stats on black serial killers in the United States, and how they compare on a percentage basis with other races? I suspect black serial killers are not getting all the credit they deserve.

    I've always suspected that many black serial killers are never identified, much less caught, who practice their craft in traditionally popular black killing fields such as Chicago and Baltimore.

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.

    I recall reading a recent article in which an LA detective noted that there are far more operating serial killers floating about the city than the public would care to know, and will likely never be caught.

    Anybody got recent stats?

    La Griffe du lion has a post exploring this with lots of graphs and numbers. Tl;dr: Blacks are seriously over-represented among serial killers per their proportion of the population.

    ” Serial murder lends itself nicely to the analytical methods developed here provided suitable data are available. Only a few systematic accounts of the race and ethnicity of serial killers exist. There is an exhaustive study of African American serial killers (Homicide Studies 2005; 9; 271) by criminologist Anthony Walsh, and also Eric W. Hickey’s book, Serial killers and their victims, Brooks/Cole, 1997. That’s about it.

    Walsh identified 90 African American and 323 white American serial murderers, all men operating between 1945 and 2004. (Though Asians, Hispanics and Native Americans were not included in the study, their addition would not alter the fact that most serial killers are white men.) African American serial killers made up 22% of Walsh’s sample, a figure in close agreement Hickey’s enumeration. But, as blacks number well below 22% of the U.S. population, they are actually overrepresented among the ranks of serial killers — roughly by a factor of 2.

    So, why are most serial killers white men? The short answer is that serial murder is primarily a male enterprise, and in the U.S. white men outnumber black men seven to one. The long answer, however, is instructive**.

    The ratio of black to white criminal offenders generally increases with the progression from passive white collar crime to pernicious violent crime. In 2003, for example, blacks were imprisoned for violent crimes at approximately 7 times the per capita rate of whites, but only 4 times the white rate for property crimes. Serial murder, by any reckoning, ranks at the top of this progression. Consequently, black serial murderers should, per capita, outnumber their white counterparts by at least a factor of seven. In actuality, the factor is closer to two. The appropriate question, then, is not why most serial killers are white men, but rather why black men are only twice as likely as white men to be serial murderers. Criminality distributions provide the answer. The mean criminality of black males is almost 1.3 SD greater than the white. But, with a black-to-white variance ratio of 0.46, white men display much greater variability. A symmetric way to view this is in terms of black homogeneity rather than white variability. Either way, at the extraordinarily high level of criminality peculiar to the serial murderer, white representation increases. We explore this in more detail in the next section. ”

    The entire post is worth reading: serial killers

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  142. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, Google "Zebra Killers" for a group of blacks that stalked and killed whites only in San Francisco/Bay Area in the 60s. I think today they would be labeled as terrorists not serial killers. There was very little coverage of these murders which, IIRC, occurred around the time of the Zodiac killer.

    ’70s, actually. The violence they committed tore San Francisco apart, and came close to starting a genuine race war, as whites were doing drive by shootings of random blacks in retaliation. It says a lot about Joe Alioto and Donald Scott that they prevented something like what happened in Los Angeles in 1992 from occurring, albeit with very harsh police tactics that resembled what Giuliani would do later in New York. Fortunately, the SFPD caught the suspects and restored civic peace. (Alioto’s mayoralty was the last gasp of the old SF, before his successor Moscone and Milk trashed it.)

    David Talbot’s book Season Of The Witch talks about the Zebra murders

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  143. @jill
    Problem fixed:
    Academic Literacy Skills Test (ALST) .
    As of March 14, 2017, candidates for teacher certification will no longer be required to take and pass the ALST for certification.

    Literacy no longer needed to teach in New York State

    https://www.nystce.nesinc.com/TestView.aspx?f=HTML_FRAG/NY202_TestPage.html

    Substitution of Experience for Student Teaching

    http://www.highered.nysed.gov/tcert/certificate/ot11.html

    New York City as alternative licensing. There is away around every requirement:

    http://www.teachercertificationdegrees.com/certification/new-york-alternative/

    NYC actively getting rid of all white teachers:
    In January 2015, Mayor Bill de Blasio, in conjunction with New York City's Young Men's Initiative, made a bold pledge: NYC will develop new initiatives and programs aiming to put an additional 1,000 men of color on course to become NYC public school teachers over the next three years.

    The Young Men's Initiative, together with Department of Education, City University of New York, Center for Economic Opportunity, and Teach for America, excitedly announces the launch of NYC Men Teach to recruit and unite Black, Latino and Asian men committed to educating today's diverse student population; supporting each other's professional and leadership development; and to empowering the communities they serve.

    The joke of the day:
    Equal Employment Opportunity Statement
    NYC Men Teach does not discriminate based on race or gender. All programs and activities of the NYC Men Teach program are open to all eligible applicants, without regard to race, gender, national origin or other characteristic protected by law.

    jill, Thank you for the comment and the link and hopefully, all of this nonsense ends with the new DOE.

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  144. @education realist
    "One of the reasons that Hilary lost: These white lady teachers anger everybody. They are usually pushing the cultural Marxist line, so they make the white boys unhappy. But they make everybody unhappy. So most of the people who were supposed to show up for Hilary stayed home."

    This is just insanely stupid. First, teachers aren't incredibly progressive. They vote Dem, yes, and a good sliver of them are progressives. But even some of the flakiest aren't Marxist. 1 in 3 voted for Trump.

    But never mind all that, just get your fuzzy head around this fact: teachers routinely top the list of most respected professions in public surveys.

    "Will “nice white ladies” ever rethink their support for a coalition in which they are increasingly seen as outsiders?"

    I suspect teachers will always be majority Dem. But the cool thing is--and many teachers know this--is that what the political yutzes thinks is irrelevant. Whether it's the progressives whining about their racism or the conservative yahoos bitching about how stupid and incompetent they are, teachers will continue to get a huge chunk of the public's respect, and pay based on the realities of school staffing, not the mouthbreathers opining on their jobs.

    ” Teachers will continue to get a huge chunk of the publics respect, and pay based on the realities of school staffing, not the mouthbreathers opining on their jobs”

    Dead wrong, as the “Mouthbreathers” who are paying the over-pampered and incompetent teachers are slowly but surely waking up to the fact of their , the teachers, incompetence, over-compensation, and subversion and covert destruction of US society, and this holds true for lawyers, judges, journalists, medical people, clergy, etc.

    Americans have long held to the german mindset of authority worship, the mindset of accepting any and all of the BS propagated by these academic quacks simply due to their farsical PhDs and meaningless professor titles, and they, the mouthbreathers, are slowly but surely realizing that they have been taken to the cleaners by these scoundrels for eons, and that the time for a genuine restart has arrived, which will sweep the “progressives” the commies out of the system, and then afford true “educators” the chance to put the schools and universities back on the track of doing what they were designed to do, and we know what that is, and it most cvertainly has nothing to do with “gender studies” or “frankfurterism”.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet , and pro jazz artist.

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  145. Lugash says:
    @Art Deco
    Tracy Martin's a long-haul trucker. His brother's retired military, married, and with at least one child who was reportedly closer to Trayvon than was Trayvon's brother. Tracy Martin's baby mamma / 3d wife Brandi Green was living in the same townhouse complex as George Zimmerman so presumably is of a similar income and perhaps status level (Zimmerman worked in an insurance office, his wife was a beautician, one of their neighbors was a lab technician, &c). I've seen interviews with Alicia Stanley, who was Tracy Martin's 2d wife and put the most labor into caring for Trayvon. If I were to guess her occupation a la the What's My Line? panel, I'd say medical office assistant. Sybrina Fulton was (IIRC) a mid-level civil servant employed by one of the school districts in greater Miami. Her other son Jahvaris Fulton was a college student at the time. Tracy Martin had some interesting subcultural affiliations you don't hear about much (Masonic Lodge, IIRC). He and his brother had grown up in East St. Louis, demonstrably the most viperous slum in America. They'd made a pretty good life for themselves with that sort of start. This was a half bourgeois / half prosperous wage-earner family, not geto at all. Both Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton had been exasperated by their son's antics of late.

    Thanks for the info AD.

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  146. @ConcernedCitizen
    Based on what you wrote, you need to ask:

    If whites are so understanding of each other, why are most whites killed by other whites?
    SEE how stereotypes work?

    Stop trying to dehumanize black people and act as if white people are so much more decent than others.

    Who was attending lynchings as if they were family entertainment? White people. Who slaughtered Native Americans?

    SEE how that works when you readily point out the flaws in other groups but fail to consider the realities of white people and their violence?

    CC, I get what you’re trying to demonstrate but for a matter of record, Native Americans, on both continents, captured, tortured, raped and killed NAs of different tribes as part of their culture.

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    CC, I get what you’re trying to demonstrate but for a matter of record, Native Americans, on both continents, captured, tortured, raped and killed NAs of different tribes as part of their culture.
     
    Ah, but that was part of their culture, which was legitimate. Our violence was part of our culture, which has no legitimacy at all. ConcernedTrollCitizen can explain this point further.
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  147. From what I remember of my five children’s school days, I don’t remember many men teaching at the elementary level. I remember a few in middle School, Music and History, and a number in HS. Women seem to make up the majority of elementary and middle school teachers. Doesn’t appear to be a career path for men of any race.

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    I had one--fourth grade--and he was on the principal-superintendent track.
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  148. @Muse
    Why change teachers when you can just institute different standards for black and white students on what constitutes bad behavior.

    http://northcooknews.com/stories/511104961-should-north-shore-public-schools-set-lower-academic-discipline-standards-for-black-and-hispanic-students-activist-to-make-the-case

    Too bad Vince Lombardi couldn’t have lived to read that.

    He certainly would have laughed at seeing the very antithesis of his methods tried out across the river in Minnesota.

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  149. @map
    What's needed is African boarding schools...in Africa.

    What’s needed is African boarding schools…in Africa

    Somalis here are sending their kids home for more traditional training. (Who can blame them?)

    One such kid was murdered over there. The papers here didn’t go into detail, but a Somali I know well says the US-reared kids pick up bad habits here, like mouthing off to teachers. When they try this in the homeland, the result can be fatal.

    This boy is the new Emmett Till!

    This boy could

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  150. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I’m guessing a lot of white kids who went to minority white schools will enjoy seeing white SJW teachers being thrown under the bus by the anti-white coalition now they don’t need them any more.

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  151. @Buffalo Joe
    CC, I get what you're trying to demonstrate but for a matter of record, Native Americans, on both continents, captured, tortured, raped and killed NAs of different tribes as part of their culture.

    CC, I get what you’re trying to demonstrate but for a matter of record, Native Americans, on both continents, captured, tortured, raped and killed NAs of different tribes as part of their culture.

    Ah, but that was part of their culture, which was legitimate. Our violence was part of our culture, which has no legitimacy at all. ConcernedTrollCitizen can explain this point further.

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    Reg, Ah, good point. I stand corrected.
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  152. Michelle says:
    @John Lindsay
    "It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time."

    I have NEVER read or hear anyone make such a comment.

    Incredibly racist and stupid; but that would be redundant, since racists are stupid.

    Any employed African American has a job where he/she has to arrive to work on time.
    This is a Sailerism.

    “Any” employed African-American? Most, maybe, but my experience has been and is different. My department has only one Black worker left and she is, regularly, 20 minutes to 1/2 hour late to work every single day. Despite the fact that she lives across the street from her place of work. When she gets to work she immediately gets on the phone with her various “Foster” sisters or tells me that she is going to McDonald’s or the Post Office to check her P.O. box. Most of her day is spent watching TV shows and playing slots on her computer.

    Her former workmate, also Black, used to regularly call in the morning to tell us to tell her supervisor that she would be late, this happened around 3 times a week. She would often call again at noon to then tell us that she wasn’t coming after all, and tell us to tell her supervisor to put it down as “Vacation”, because she was out of sick leave. When she did make it to work she spent all day complaining and refusing to do this or that and she played slots about 80% of her time. She was all paranoid and telling us that her supervisor was trying to get rid of her, while we all felt that her supervisor let her get away with murder! We could only scrape together 59 bucks for her retirement gift, her supervisors made up the difference for a $100 Target card. Of course, she threw a hissy fit anyway, saying she deserved a lot more. We were glad to see the back of her!

    These two full time clerical positions are being phased out and Black full time workers who traditionally filled them are being replaced by Asian part time workers. There is now a second language requirement for employment which will make sure that few to no African-Americans are ever hired again.

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    I've noticed at my company that the interest in black and Hispanic minorities for salaried positions has been pretty much reduced to zero, even in HR, now with the availability of an endless stream of totally compliant south Asians to win management's diversity Pokémon points.
    , @Marty
    Fun story. I had a persian friend, an electrical engineer at Lucent. Asked if they had any black engineers. Said there was one, regularly came in at 10 and left at 4. Said he used to brag about how strong he was. Persian guy, ex-Iran Air Force, said he picked him up and dumped him on his head.
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  153. MBlanc46 says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, Google "Zebra Killers" for a group of blacks that stalked and killed whites only in San Francisco/Bay Area in the 60s. I think today they would be labeled as terrorists not serial killers. There was very little coverage of these murders which, IIRC, occurred around the time of the Zodiac killer.

    The Zebra killings were in 73-74. I was living in SF at the time. A buddy and I were stopped by the cops while walking through the Mission district. Although we bore littl resemblance to the black perps, I’ve always supposed it was because of the killings.

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  154. “I was a teaching assistant at a school with a terrible diversitard science teacher.”

    The science teachers all have to take the same test and have always had to, save for a brief stint in the 90s. And teachers have never really been hired by race. The weird timing of hiring makes it nearly impossible.

    “I don’t remember many men teaching at the elementary level.”

    Yep. By middle school, it’s 20-30%. High school is about 55-45, but if you weed out sped it’s closer to 50-50. I think there are more male than female hs math teachers.

    “Dead wrong, as the “Mouthbreathers” who are paying the over-pampered and incompetent teachers are slowly but surely waking up to the fact of their , the teachers, incompetence, over-compensation, and subversion and covert destruction of US society, and this holds true for lawyers, judges, journalists, medical people, clergy, etc.”

    Dude, where’ve you been? I mean, never mind that teachers aren’t incompetent and you, to be sure, are slow. Those with mouthpieces have been bitching about teachers for a couple generations. Hasn’t changed a thing about teachers or their public respect numbers.

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    Those with mouthpieces have been bitching about teachers for a couple generations. Hasn’t changed a thing about teachers or their public respect numbers.
     
    True. Critics of the current arrangements, conservative or otherwise, would do better to take that reality into account. That failure is part of what killed Schwarzenegger.
    , @ScarletNumber

    High school is about 55-45, but if you weed out sped it’s closer to 50-50. I think there are more male than female hs math teachers.
     
    Since SPED is overwhelmingly female, shouldn't that be 45/55?
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  155. @Art Deco
    Tracy Martin's a long-haul trucker. His brother's retired military, married, and with at least one child who was reportedly closer to Trayvon than was Trayvon's brother. Tracy Martin's baby mamma / 3d wife Brandi Green was living in the same townhouse complex as George Zimmerman so presumably is of a similar income and perhaps status level (Zimmerman worked in an insurance office, his wife was a beautician, one of their neighbors was a lab technician, &c). I've seen interviews with Alicia Stanley, who was Tracy Martin's 2d wife and put the most labor into caring for Trayvon. If I were to guess her occupation a la the What's My Line? panel, I'd say medical office assistant. Sybrina Fulton was (IIRC) a mid-level civil servant employed by one of the school districts in greater Miami. Her other son Jahvaris Fulton was a college student at the time. Tracy Martin had some interesting subcultural affiliations you don't hear about much (Masonic Lodge, IIRC). He and his brother had grown up in East St. Louis, demonstrably the most viperous slum in America. They'd made a pretty good life for themselves with that sort of start. This was a half bourgeois / half prosperous wage-earner family, not geto at all. Both Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton had been exasperated by their son's antics of late.
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    B. Ehrenreich's a snot-nose and not the most perspicacious writer. This effort got her on Charlie Rose a generation ago when the book appeared. Why recommend it?
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  156. @education realist
    Res,

    As anyone can tell you, I'm not good at looking at data beyond very broad conclusions on big samples. I can come up with interpretations once someone else massages it. But the BLS data seems to show that preference plays a part, not just IQ. There are a *lot* of white lawyers--more than white high school teachers. Blacks, on the other hand, seem to have a preference for health care services.

    Also, what I think Des was missing is that most credential tests drop their cut scores by a standard deviation to pick up blacks and Hispanics. But they can do this secure in the knowledge that the whites and Asians that could easily pass this lower standard will never get accepted to law or med school. So bar exams can have a pretty low cut score without having to worry that they'll let in too many low-skill lawyers--the only ones that can get that far would be black or Hispanic, and what looks low to whites is still a pretty high bar for them. So even if the skill level is lower, the conscientiousness, etc, will be high.

    But teaching credential tests, *have* to test the subject matter. You actually need it in order to do the job. So the original Praxis I test was very, very easy and yet still cut out a lot of prospective NAM elementary teachers. Then they made it more difficult in 2002. States are in the process of easing back on these standards (not as publicly as NY) because it's gotten them no gain in student achievement yet is hurting the supply of black teachers, who are the ones most eager to teach in low achievement schools.

    This is even worse in math and science subjects, where you have to demonstrate ability in the fundamentals of calculus to get credentialed in many states. I think it's quite possible that it's easier for a black person to get into law school and pass the bar exam than it is get credentialed in math or science in CA, NY, and the other tough states.

    That's why I think we should create a lower bar for K-3 teachers, to let in more blacks and Hispanics in elementary school. And really, do we need all these social workers? That'd be how I'd push it, to increase black teachers without sacrificing needed knowledge.

    what I think Des was missing

    Not missing, arguing.

    The proposal was to create a non-accredited school. I said that wouldn’t work legally. That’s a problem with the law and lawyers, not with the proposal per se.

    “Lowering” teacher standards for black schools is no problem, since they were only raised in the minds of the college professors or Goldman types who were doing the raising. The only abstract learning worth doing flows from the concrete, and the concrete only happens with engagement. SJW bullshit kills that engagement.

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  157. @Autochthon
    Your observations highlight a critical matter needing far more attention. Europeans (and those of us in the diaspora) must learn to differentiate (and implement the learning!) between morality, honesty, etc. vis-a-vis honourable, deserving people who will reciprocate the behaviour and who themselves are inclined to support and assist the European (or, at the very least, treat him impartially and fairly) and moral, honest, and otherwise honourable and altruistic behaviour toward the cooly disinterested and, especially, the hostile.

    The universities you cite are now evil institutions. Affiliation with them is nevertheless potentially valuable due to crazed credentialism and their perhaps yet decent instruction in matters purely material (for instance, medicine or electronics) – provided one can steel oneself from the abuse and disinformation accompanying it.

    That value conceded, your sons' dissembling on applications to these evil institutions is no more an act of moral turpitude than are the acts of a spy or a downed aviator during wartime who seeks to remain undetected via disguises and ruses.

    Don't think for one moment the spawn of the Obamas, Amy Chua, and Geraldo Rivera, and Satya Nadella heaitate for an instant about declaring their oppression and status as so-called minorities in similar situations, their consciences restraining them with admonitions that they are inconceivably privileged and therefore ought not to seek still more unearned benefits at the expense of bright white children living in desperate in abject poverty in Wheeling or Cheyenne. Remember well that scheming little Mohammedan bastard Steve profiled a week or two ago and his incessant mewling about how rough it was being a fabulously wealthy and connected Muslim. That is the representative attitude. It's all a zero-sum game to everyone except whites, and they are all playing for keeps.

    This incorrigible compulsion to adhere to Queensberry'd rules (which now already require a white person to enter the fray with one hand forcibly tied behind his back) presumably arises from an ingrained notion of unconquerable superiority and even a touch of pity and paternalistic noblesse oblige toward other races, held over from an era with circumstances long since changed.

    It's one thing to let a small child win at checkers or arm-wrestling because you are a good sport uninterested in humiliating children; it is quite another matter entirely to, many years later, perpetuate the same lazily indulgent attitude to that that child, now grown and having developed a pathological, scheming hatred in his heart for you. You cannot go on signing contracts he presents to you without reading them, or pulling your punches should he assault you in the streets.

    You seem like a very loving mother. I implore you to teach your children this important lesson.

    Very good post–the mindset of white people of European origin vis-a-vis groups that will not reciprocate our good will must change or we will go the way of the Dodo bird. I was particularly gratified to see you mentioning Amy Chua. We need to stop deluding ourselves that Asians are somehow a model minority–they are as committed to our racial displacement and eventual annhilation as any Negro criminal, although their methods differ.

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    I was particularly gratified to see you mentioning Amy Chua.
     
    You might enjoy this recent discussion I had with Twinkie (starting at #96).
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  158. @education realist
    "For example, I’m guessing this effect is what drives much of the controversy with fire/police testing?"

    Yes. If my theory is correct, it would affect any profession that has a reasonably difficult credential/certification test but *doesn't* have a highly competitive grad school winnowing out otherwise highly qualified whites and Asians.

    "As an aside, this has scary implications for the cognitively midrange positions that are doing affirmative action without testing (or with gutted criteria)."

    Yes, but I don't think that exists, do you?

    "What about the military? Given current relatively high AFQT recruiting thresholds (presumably even more so for officers) I would expect black overrepresentation (relative to ability present in the population) there to put pressure on the black talent pool overall. Any thoughts on this?"

    I think Steve knows more about this. My understanding is that since the draft ending in the 70s, the military has been a good career for blacks and I would certainly think it looks preferable to teaching. More career choices, more advancement for the ambitious.

    And I suspect that TFA's much vaunted increase in diversity has come in part by picking up failed lawyers and retired military.

    And I suspect that TFA’s much vaunted increase in diversity has come in part by picking up failed lawyers and retired military.

    TFA is a ruling-class marker.

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    TFA is a ruling-class marker.

    The TFA veterans in my social circle were a boyfriend-girlfriend duo. Both fathers blue-collar, both mothers wage-earning secretaries.
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  159. @John Lindsay
    "It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time."

    I have NEVER read or hear anyone make such a comment.

    Incredibly racist and stupid; but that would be redundant, since racists are stupid.

    Any employed African American has a job where he/she has to arrive to work on time.
    This is a Sailerism.

    I have NEVER read or hear anyone make such a comment.

    Your education has been sadly neglected. There’s a reason the phrase “Colored People’s Time” exists.

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    Your education has been sadly neglected. There’s a reason the phrase “Colored People’s Time” exists.
     
    This stereotype only works for American blacks and a quit a few white Americans (me, for instance). I've worked with some Haitians and West Africans who you definitely could not apply CPT or the laziness stereotype to.
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  160. The problems in the classroom will not be solved with more money, more good teachers (any race or ethnicity),or smaller classrooms. By the time most of these children reach school the battle has already been lost. It begins in the home. Parents are ultimately responsible for instilling ethical behavior in their progeny. These communities are reaping the whirlwind of consequences for abdicating their parental responsibilities.

    This is the primary reason I have little sympathy for the besieged neighborhoods in Chicago. When I see a so-called adult from those parts on the television bemoaning the condition of their ‘hood, I think to myself, “You raised those murderers. No one else to blame.” Although I suppose it’s more accurate to say, “You procreated but you didn’t raise them so what do you expect?”

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  161. @anonymous

    A related question is, what are the blacks who fail the bar generally doing as a final profession? If they tend to group in a small number of professions I suspect that says something about those professions.
     
    They relegate themselves to unionized jobs, making it especially difficult to fire them for incompetence, which leads them to the government sector. If black people worked regular jobs where performance could be measured and scrutinized, leading to being fired if they didn't measure up, a sizable number of blacks willing to work would be perpetually unemployed.

    Government jobs is the gentleman's welfare grant for blacks who want to work, but are otherwise unemployable, or of limited abilities. Why sit home getting chintzy checks from the government when you could work at the Department of Motor Vehicles, and get a pension? Why would you work as a manager for McDonald's when you could be the Mayor of Compton?

    The Government jobs network allow black people who insist they want to work, to try it without the pressure of performance goals, and appear to white people as employable.

    Note that the current black serial killer at large was a government employee. Lending to the traditional tragic-comic life of many a black man, he was employed as a health-care worker. Black Culture is nothing if not chock full of ridiculous ironies.

    A ridiculous man-child, a social moron who believes he's smarter than he is, victimized by others, and his reality floated by our quasi-welfare system we call "government jobs." Without that government job, he would have been living in his mother's basement, waiting for his welfare check. Where he belonged.

    If black people worked regular jobs where performance could be measured and scrutinized, leading to being fired if they didn’t measure up, a sizable number of blacks willing to work would be perpetually unemployed.

    Or it could be that blacks (like regular whites) struggle in environments with relatively little structure/authority but do better where the dominance dynamics are more clear cut.

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    Or it could be that blacks (like regular whites) struggle in environments with relatively little structure/authority but do better where the dominance dynamics are more clear cut.
     
    How many black construction crews, or crews with a black overseer have you ever seen? In California, I hire crews fairly often, and I've never seen a black construction worker, much less a crew or company. Look into the corporate sector. Blacks are highly underrepresented, and many can't make it above lower management. How many successful black mechanics have you seen? How about black run businesses worth a damn? A small grocery store doesn't require high analytic skills. You don't see blacks in common jobs, or particularly corporate jobs where performance is a requirement. Look to Zimbabwe for the perfect petri dish to test out your apparent theory that blacks can do what white people do. HINT: since they replaced white farmer's, they're starving.

    In government jobs, short of punching your manager in the face, the chances of getting fired for shitty performance is close to non-existent. I would say one field low-performance blacks can slip into is as care givers in the private sector, because those companies are desperate for workers. That doesn't mean they're great care-givers, and that doesn't mean they aren't underrepresented there also.

    Generally speaking, without a white patriarchal figure, too many black folks just can't deal with making consistent contributions to modern civilization. They need a crutch. Government jobs are the nod pitying whites give to american blacks. Without that protection, black unemployment would be through the roof.

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  162. @res
    Did you pick up on the subtlety that the relative testing difficulty between professions is important as well? If it is true that the HS teacher qualifying test thresholds are in the vicinity of thresholds for a decent probability of passing the bar after multiple attempts (a point I find plausible but which I think needs more support, same for doctor thresholds) then ER's point about teaching capable blacks becoming lawyers instead makes sense IMHO.

    A related question is, what are the blacks who fail the bar generally doing as a final profession? If they tend to group in a small number of professions I suspect that says something about those professions.

    Did you pick up on the subtlety that the relative testing difficulty between professions is important as well?

    Yeah, and I’ve taken the Praxis tests as well. The content test was no problem, but I barely passed the pedagogy one, and I had just finished two years of graduate pedagogy coursework that you need to get certified, and thus hired in the suburban schools, and I’m usually a test-taking savant. It was like a driver’s license test from hell. There may be some SJW screening built in that.

    A related question is, what are the blacks who fail the bar generally doing as a final profession? If they tend to group in a small number of professions I suspect that says something about those professions.

    Getting to that point (prepared to pass the bar) though tends to take a good bit of self-directed effort and/or connections that blacks may be less good with, aside from intelligence/aptitude.

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  163. @ConcernedCitizen
    Based on what you wrote, you need to ask:

    If whites are so understanding of each other, why are most whites killed by other whites?
    SEE how stereotypes work?

    Stop trying to dehumanize black people and act as if white people are so much more decent than others.

    Who was attending lynchings as if they were family entertainment? White people. Who slaughtered Native Americans?

    SEE how that works when you readily point out the flaws in other groups but fail to consider the realities of white people and their violence?

    The reality is that white people of European origin have flaws but they are my people.

    We displaced the aboriginal inhabitants of North America, killing them when necessary. Aboriginal Americans did the same thing to each other and tried to do it to Europeans. We were better at it.

    The nature of Negro intellect and comportment, and the dysfunction of Negro communities meant that quick retributive violence was often the best solution to a crime. Sometimes it had to be employed in the white community as well. Like any human institution, it wasn’t right 100% of the time, but Judge Lynch wasn’t always wrong.

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    "The reality is that white people of European origin have flaws but they are my people."

    White Americans generally do not refer to their fellow white Americans as my "European brethren" or "Anglos". However, Americans for the most part refer to their fellow Americans regardless of their race or ethnicity as "my people". Regarding Europeans who have "flaws", that is an anti-white statement. Europeans are PERFECT.

    "We displaced the aboriginal inhabitants of North America, killing them when necessary. Aboriginal Americans did the same thing to each other and tried to do it to Europeans. We were better at it."

    Invade the world, invite the world. Karma is a mother.

    "The nature of Negro intellect and comportment, and the dysfunction of Negro communities meant that quick retributive violence was often the best solution to a crime."

    Assuming that the blacks were guilty of said crime. Would that not be up to local law enforcement under our Constitution?

    What about those white men or women who, of their own volition, wanted to marry or procreate with non-whites? Was that "quick retributive violence" called for in light of their exercising freedom of association?

    "Sometimes it had to be employed in the white community as well. Like any human institution, it wasn’t right 100% of the time, but Judge Lynch wasn’t always wrong."

    Judge Lynch was assuredly wrong in these cases.

    C.J. Miller, who we now know was falsely accused of murdering two white sisters, was “dragged through the streets to a crude platform of old barrel staves and other kindling...[hung from a telephone pole] with the body was repeatedly raised and lowered while the crowd peppered it with small-arms fire,” writes historian Philip Dray.

    Also from Dray...killed for protesting her husband's murder, Mary Turner "was stripped, hung upside down by the ankles, soaked with gasoline, and roasted to death. In the midst of this torment, a white man opened her swollen belly with a hunting knife and her infant fell to the ground, gave a cry, and was stomped to death.”

    You give white people a bad name with your ignorance.

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  164. res says:
    @education realist
    "For example, I’m guessing this effect is what drives much of the controversy with fire/police testing?"

    Yes. If my theory is correct, it would affect any profession that has a reasonably difficult credential/certification test but *doesn't* have a highly competitive grad school winnowing out otherwise highly qualified whites and Asians.

    "As an aside, this has scary implications for the cognitively midrange positions that are doing affirmative action without testing (or with gutted criteria)."

    Yes, but I don't think that exists, do you?

    "What about the military? Given current relatively high AFQT recruiting thresholds (presumably even more so for officers) I would expect black overrepresentation (relative to ability present in the population) there to put pressure on the black talent pool overall. Any thoughts on this?"

    I think Steve knows more about this. My understanding is that since the draft ending in the 70s, the military has been a good career for blacks and I would certainly think it looks preferable to teaching. More career choices, more advancement for the ambitious.

    And I suspect that TFA's much vaunted increase in diversity has come in part by picking up failed lawyers and retired military.

    Yes, but I don’t think that exists, do you?

    My sense is a fair number of corporate positions are like that. Then there are the government jobs. Jimmy Carter gutted the civil service exam and I don’t think it has ever recovered. I’m not an expert in these areas so I definitely welcome corrections which include evidence.

    I think you are right about the military being a good career choice for blacks. My point was that it requires a certain amount of cognitive ability to meet the screens and drawing a disproportionate number of those eligible reduces the pool available to provide 13% representation in other fields.

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  165. @Shouting Thomas
    You could call it anti-white rhetoric if you like, and it certainly manifests as that.

    But, isn't this really a plea for patronage jobs for black teachers?

    Seems to me to be a rather pathetic admission that blacks don't think they can cut it on the merits, so they need the government to enforce a patronage system to ensure they get the jobs.

    As long as affirmative action Negro teachers are restricted to teaching Negro students, I could care less.

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  166. res says:
    @Forbes
    Doesn't pass the smell test. It's data mining.

    What is the operative condition that causes a black student, having once had a black teacher in grades 3, 4, or 5, to be "more likely to aspire to college and less likely to drop out of high school"?

    Like Magic Dirt, has Magic Air been discovered?

    It smells to me as well, but I think it might be real. I kind of buy the role model argument. Then there is the argument that same race teachers are better able to discipline without getting in trouble. And it does seem to replicate (e.g. see educationrealist’s comments or do a web search), although I don’t feel competent to judge the validity of the individual studies.

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  167. @education realist
    Jack--actually, he said "certification tests" which are definitely the ones teachers take. He also said NCLB tests , though, and that makes more sense. They did happen all over and with black kids.

    But while the teachers in those situations were mostly black, there's just no way any teacher can decide to cheat his or her students scores without active cooperation, even coercion, by the administration. So the common thread in those cases isn't black teachers, but black administrators. The teachers say they were afraid for their jobs, and I believe them. Not that this really changes the point.

    HenryA is correct that most black teachers are put into administration. I mentioned that as well. However, it's really interesting that when you read articles--and there are many--about black teachers complaining that they are used as discipline delivery systems, they never say they are being put in administrative positions (which would involve more money, authority, etc.) Either these articles are all lying or omitting a key point, or they are all saying that they were given tough kids to discipline *in lieu of* their normal teaching job. I've often wondered why this story is given time and again with no reporter asking obvious questions.


    "Booming White Nice Lady with a Generic B.A – Out.
    Blooming Laquisha with a Community College Blackity Gender Studies Ausweis – In"

    As is usually the case with these comments, you suffer from a serious restriction of range:

    --The white Millennial bonghitter with a 1.2 GPA who teaches sixth grade science after his parents booted him out of the basement ties the freshly-pressed hardworking black track star with a 3.8 GPA teaching special ed.*

    --The goofball wannabe manicurist who loafed through Podunk U and went into teaching kindergarten after the tenth of her problematic boyfriends dumped her outscores the idealistic black welfare daughter success story on a full scholarship to Harvard who went into teaching sixth grade English to “give back” to her community.


    Desiderius, you could get people to be more polite to you if you didn't keep pointing out the obvious when you weren't just wrong.

    Desiderius, you could get people to be more polite to you if you didn’t keep pointing out the obvious when you weren’t just wrong.

    Sorry sweetheart, was talking about how you treat everyone, not just me.

    Good try though.

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  168. benjaminl says:
    @Rod1963

    If you think about it, if everyone you randomly kill happens to have a lot of enemies, has been incarcerated, or hell, just lives in a shit shack on the south side of Chicago, and is black, your job security as a serial killer is far more solid than if you were practicing in a non-black area.
     
    On a somewhat related case. about a decade back or so there was a enterprising unemployed young man who harvested black drug dealers for money and buried the remains. IMS he killed something like 14 of them and no one noticed, not even the cops.

    What finally got him, is taht he decided to upgrade to white professionals - namely dentists and that's what busted him. The amusing thing was the community thought he did them a great service by eradicating the drug dealers.

    The case got very little national attention for some reason.

    It’s been a while since I’ve watched the show, but I think there was a plot thread like this on The Wire.

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    There was, in a way. A rising drug kingpin (with a scar on his face, like a certain historical gangster) disposes of the bodies of his enemies in abandoned row houses, bolting wooden slabs over the doors. He's not a serial killer in the traditional sense, and his two trusted, thuggish lieutenants (one of whom, with an extreme case of tomboyishness, is very authentic and I think probably not an actress by profession) do the dirty work.
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  169. wow says:

    In the Toronto area, the overwhelming number of teachers are white. Blacks, in general, are still the bottom of the class.

    However, most of the “brown” and “other Asian” kids are top performing students with their all white teachers

    Why is that?

    Black kids are also suspended/expelled way more than white students….and you guessed it….way more than Asians and brown kids…despite having these dreaded white teachers.

    Boards have tried, with minimal success to recruit black teachers…but alas…most don’t stream University level so blacks cannot become teachers! IQ? White teachers??

    The brown and Asian kids stream University level and become doctors, engineers and entrepreneurs, etc….all with white teachers almost exclusively the whole way through!!!

    This is a fact here in the Toronto area!

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  170. Art Deco says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Ben, very funny and St Trayvon came along just in time to replace St. Emmit Till, the memory of whom was fading. Have to keep this shit fresh.

    Till was kidnapped and beaten to death by a pair of malevolent local shopkeepers for supposedly sassing the wife of one of them. (She’d elected not to discuss the incident with them but someone else let the cat out of the bag). Trayvon Martin was shot to death by a man he’d attacked for no defensible reason (and on whom he was practicing his MMA moves). I’m not seeing the analogy here.

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  171. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius

    And I suspect that TFA’s much vaunted increase in diversity has come in part by picking up failed lawyers and retired military.
     
    TFA is a ruling-class marker.

    TFA is a ruling-class marker.

    The TFA veterans in my social circle were a boyfriend-girlfriend duo. Both fathers blue-collar, both mothers wage-earning secretaries.

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  172. @Reg Cæsar

    CC, I get what you’re trying to demonstrate but for a matter of record, Native Americans, on both continents, captured, tortured, raped and killed NAs of different tribes as part of their culture.
     
    Ah, but that was part of their culture, which was legitimate. Our violence was part of our culture, which has no legitimacy at all. ConcernedTrollCitizen can explain this point further.

    Reg, Ah, good point. I stand corrected.

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  173. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous

    A related question is, what are the blacks who fail the bar generally doing as a final profession? If they tend to group in a small number of professions I suspect that says something about those professions.
     
    They relegate themselves to unionized jobs, making it especially difficult to fire them for incompetence, which leads them to the government sector. If black people worked regular jobs where performance could be measured and scrutinized, leading to being fired if they didn't measure up, a sizable number of blacks willing to work would be perpetually unemployed.

    Government jobs is the gentleman's welfare grant for blacks who want to work, but are otherwise unemployable, or of limited abilities. Why sit home getting chintzy checks from the government when you could work at the Department of Motor Vehicles, and get a pension? Why would you work as a manager for McDonald's when you could be the Mayor of Compton?

    The Government jobs network allow black people who insist they want to work, to try it without the pressure of performance goals, and appear to white people as employable.

    Note that the current black serial killer at large was a government employee. Lending to the traditional tragic-comic life of many a black man, he was employed as a health-care worker. Black Culture is nothing if not chock full of ridiculous ironies.

    A ridiculous man-child, a social moron who believes he's smarter than he is, victimized by others, and his reality floated by our quasi-welfare system we call "government jobs." Without that government job, he would have been living in his mother's basement, waiting for his welfare check. Where he belonged.

    If black people worked regular jobs where performance could be measured and scrutinized, leading to being fired if they didn’t measure up, a sizable number of blacks willing to work would be perpetually unemployed.

    WTF are you talking about? Over 70% of all employed blacks work at what are unambiguously clock-in hourly wage jobs. They’re heavily represented in personal service jobs where you get a lot of client feedback and are under observation by strangers. The proprietorships in which blacks are most disproportionately common are barber shops, where performance evaluation isn’t bedeviled by any opacity. There are some disproportionately black occupations which have a weak disciplinary regime (Postal Service), but that’s due to the characteristics of the institution, not the job itself.

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  174. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius
    Fear of Falling

    https://www.amazon.com/Fear-Falling-Inner-Middle-Class/dp/0060973331

    B. Ehrenreich’s a snot-nose and not the most perspicacious writer. This effort got her on Charlie Rose a generation ago when the book appeared. Why recommend it?

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    She's in large part worse than a snot-nose. Doesn't mean she can't be right sometimes.

    Seems like a good explanation for the behavior of the Martin parents here.
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  175. @education realist
    "I was a teaching assistant at a school with a terrible diversitard science teacher."

    The science teachers all have to take the same test and have always had to, save for a brief stint in the 90s. And teachers have never really been hired by race. The weird timing of hiring makes it nearly impossible.

    "I don’t remember many men teaching at the elementary level."

    Yep. By middle school, it's 20-30%. High school is about 55-45, but if you weed out sped it's closer to 50-50. I think there are more male than female hs math teachers.


    "Dead wrong, as the “Mouthbreathers” who are paying the over-pampered and incompetent teachers are slowly but surely waking up to the fact of their , the teachers, incompetence, over-compensation, and subversion and covert destruction of US society, and this holds true for lawyers, judges, journalists, medical people, clergy, etc."

    Dude, where've you been? I mean, never mind that teachers aren't incompetent and you, to be sure, are slow. Those with mouthpieces have been bitching about teachers for a couple generations. Hasn't changed a thing about teachers or their public respect numbers.

    Those with mouthpieces have been bitching about teachers for a couple generations. Hasn’t changed a thing about teachers or their public respect numbers.

    True. Critics of the current arrangements, conservative or otherwise, would do better to take that reality into account. That failure is part of what killed Schwarzenegger.

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  176. @newrouter
    "But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes, biases and cultural disconnects that fuel inequality and injustice"

    I nominate Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas to teach young male black Americans.

    I had a teacher who accepted late assignments without penalty … if you bribed him with a bottle of Snapple. One bottle for a routine assignment; two or three for, say, a research paper. (Within reason – he wouldn’t let you turn in every single assignment on the last day of class, even if you brought him a full case of Snapples. I know this because someone tried, and failed the course.)

    In Clarence Thomas’s case, the bribe would be a can of Coke with an extra-special topping.

    In Marion Barry’s case, the bribe would be coke. Not the Mexican kind (with real sugar), but 100% pure Colombian.

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  177. res says:
    @Jack D
    I think you are getting your #'s mixed up. Blacks make up 1% of those scoring above 700, not 1% of all black test takers, so they are already >10x underrepresented on the above 700 scores:

    http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

    Out of around 150,000 black test takes, 1,000 score above 700, vs around 50,000 whites, so the ratio is almost 50 to 1. Even the 1,000 is surely not made up out of your usual ghetto descendants of Southern American black slaves - among that group 700+ scorers are as rare as Vietnamese NFL cornerbacks. Rather they are mostly bi-racial blacks like Obama (usually raised by white mothers), talented tenth mulattoes like Benjamin Jealous who are 7/8 white, Nigeria Igbos, Caribbean mulattoes, etc. Guys like Ben Carson or Clarence Thomas are count on the fingers of one hand rare.

    Thanks for the reply and the reference (a good one!), Jack. Let me run through this in some more detail and see what you think.

    I was keying off the type of numbers in your first paragraph. The relevant quote from your reference:

    Thus, in this top-scoring category of all SAT test takers, blacks made up only 1.1 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the math test and only 1.5 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the verbal SAT.

    So if we split the difference we get 1.3% or almost exactly 10x underrepresented. This is comparable to the 1-2% number I thought was for NMSF (~140 IQ, a good bit higher threshold that 700 SAT I think). Double checking my reference for that though: https://www.jbhe.com/2015/09/national-merit-scholarship-corporation-ends-its-program-for-black-students-entering-college/
    I’m not sure they meant NMSF (National Merit Semifinalists) after all. I’ve learned to be extremely skeptical of any ambiguity in statements concerning this area, but it looks like I missed that one.

    So if we assume the >700 SAT scores correspond to 130 IQ (I think the IQ may be lower, what do you think?) we see from Emil’s tail effects calculator (after changing blue population size to 0.87 and red population size to 0.13): http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects
    an expected percentage of those meeting the threshold of 0.9%. This is fairly close to our 1.3%.

    Doing a similar analysis with the white/black 40x numbers we change the blue population to 0.63 (white non-hispanic) in Emil’s calculator and get an expected ratio of ~80x.

    So there may be a small effect in the direction I observed but nowhere near as large as I thought (say 2x max and probably 1.5x or less).

    Even the 1,000 is surely not made up out of your usual ghetto descendants of Southern American black slaves – among that group 700+ scorers are as rare as Vietnamese NFL cornerbacks. Rather they are mostly bi-racial blacks like Obama (usually raised by white mothers), talented tenth mulattoes like Benjamin Jealous who are 7/8 white, Nigeria Igbos, Caribbean mulattoes, etc.

    I agree with this. This is what I was trying to propose as the reason for the mismatch between calculated and actual representation. The follow on question is whether this dominance extends a tier or two down into the black lawyer and teacher capable group. I’m guessing it does, but to a lesser extent.

    What do you think? I appreciate your engaging with me on this.

    P.S. Link to a related recent iSteve post: http://www.unz.com/isteve/brookings-race-gaps-in-sat-math-scores-are-as-big-as-ever/

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    Agree with your analysis. The 1.5x "overrepresentation" (and remember you are talking about around 1000 individuals in the entire US, so the "overrepresentation" is only a few hundred people) can easily be explained by the "flight from white" - a lot of these "blacks" would have, in former times (when IQ tests were normed), either tried to "pass" as white or would not have even been present in the country or would not existed due to prejudice against miscegenation. In fact, I'll bet if you exclude all of those and included only those who could pass as Trayvon Martin's brother, you would flip from "overrepresentation" to "under".

    As another data point, until they stopped releasing the lists a few years ago, the general enrollment public schools of Philadelphia ), which are mostly black, (i.e. excluding the handful of magnet schools) produced zero national merit scholars in most years. None, nada, not one. There is no reservoir of untapped black or Hispanic talent in the US - in fact they are beating the bushes for these folks (and the gifted white groups that should be reproducing aren't), so future browner America will be stupider America.

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  178. MBlanc46 says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    From what I remember of my five children's school days, I don't remember many men teaching at the elementary level. I remember a few in middle School, Music and History, and a number in HS. Women seem to make up the majority of elementary and middle school teachers. Doesn't appear to be a career path for men of any race.

    I had one–fourth grade–and he was on the principal-superintendent track.

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  179. @education realist
    "I was a teaching assistant at a school with a terrible diversitard science teacher."

    The science teachers all have to take the same test and have always had to, save for a brief stint in the 90s. And teachers have never really been hired by race. The weird timing of hiring makes it nearly impossible.

    "I don’t remember many men teaching at the elementary level."

    Yep. By middle school, it's 20-30%. High school is about 55-45, but if you weed out sped it's closer to 50-50. I think there are more male than female hs math teachers.


    "Dead wrong, as the “Mouthbreathers” who are paying the over-pampered and incompetent teachers are slowly but surely waking up to the fact of their , the teachers, incompetence, over-compensation, and subversion and covert destruction of US society, and this holds true for lawyers, judges, journalists, medical people, clergy, etc."

    Dude, where've you been? I mean, never mind that teachers aren't incompetent and you, to be sure, are slow. Those with mouthpieces have been bitching about teachers for a couple generations. Hasn't changed a thing about teachers or their public respect numbers.

    High school is about 55-45, but if you weed out sped it’s closer to 50-50. I think there are more male than female hs math teachers.

    Since SPED is overwhelmingly female, shouldn’t that be 45/55?

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  180. Eagle Eye says:
    @Jason Liu
    I think it's wonderful.

    The less nice white ladies teaching, the less SJW academia will be, and subsequently less SJW bullshit in mainstream culture. In fact, a lot of academic leftism comes from women trying to foist their emotions onto children, and rationalizing it with invented jargon.

    Replace them with good black/other men. I bet they won't pussify your sons and corrupt your daughter nearly as much as the frumpy cat ladies that infest classrooms today.

    I bet they won’t pussify your sons and corrupt your daughter nearly as much as the frumpy cat ladies that infest classrooms today.

    Toxoplasma gondii in action.

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  181. Jack D says:

    No the program that they are ending was a separate program for black students with a lower cutoff. They recognized that National Merit Scholarships were “racist” in that 99% of the awards would go to non-blacks so they ran this separate program but for whatever reason they transferred that to the UNCF and will no longer run it themselves.

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  182. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @John Lindsay
    "It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time."

    I have NEVER read or hear anyone make such a comment.

    Incredibly racist and stupid; but that would be redundant, since racists are stupid.

    Any employed African American has a job where he/she has to arrive to work on time.
    This is a Sailerism.

    You ever actually WORK with any blacks? In my experience the majority of them were always late. Chronic lateness was the most common feature among my black co-workers.

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  183. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @ConcernedCitizen
    Based on what you wrote, you need to ask:

    If whites are so understanding of each other, why are most whites killed by other whites?
    SEE how stereotypes work?

    Stop trying to dehumanize black people and act as if white people are so much more decent than others.

    Who was attending lynchings as if they were family entertainment? White people. Who slaughtered Native Americans?

    SEE how that works when you readily point out the flaws in other groups but fail to consider the realities of white people and their violence?

    Such a straw man argument.

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  184. Jack D says:
    @res
    Thanks for the reply and the reference (a good one!), Jack. Let me run through this in some more detail and see what you think.

    I was keying off the type of numbers in your first paragraph. The relevant quote from your reference:

    Thus, in this top-scoring category of all SAT test takers, blacks made up only 1.1 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the math test and only 1.5 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the verbal SAT.
     
    So if we split the difference we get 1.3% or almost exactly 10x underrepresented. This is comparable to the 1-2% number I thought was for NMSF (~140 IQ, a good bit higher threshold that 700 SAT I think). Double checking my reference for that though: https://www.jbhe.com/2015/09/national-merit-scholarship-corporation-ends-its-program-for-black-students-entering-college/
    I'm not sure they meant NMSF (National Merit Semifinalists) after all. I've learned to be extremely skeptical of any ambiguity in statements concerning this area, but it looks like I missed that one.

    So if we assume the >700 SAT scores correspond to 130 IQ (I think the IQ may be lower, what do you think?) we see from Emil's tail effects calculator (after changing blue population size to 0.87 and red population size to 0.13): http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects
    an expected percentage of those meeting the threshold of 0.9%. This is fairly close to our 1.3%.

    Doing a similar analysis with the white/black 40x numbers we change the blue population to 0.63 (white non-hispanic) in Emil's calculator and get an expected ratio of ~80x.

    So there may be a small effect in the direction I observed but nowhere near as large as I thought (say 2x max and probably 1.5x or less).

    Even the 1,000 is surely not made up out of your usual ghetto descendants of Southern American black slaves – among that group 700+ scorers are as rare as Vietnamese NFL cornerbacks. Rather they are mostly bi-racial blacks like Obama (usually raised by white mothers), talented tenth mulattoes like Benjamin Jealous who are 7/8 white, Nigeria Igbos, Caribbean mulattoes, etc.
     
    I agree with this. This is what I was trying to propose as the reason for the mismatch between calculated and actual representation. The follow on question is whether this dominance extends a tier or two down into the black lawyer and teacher capable group. I'm guessing it does, but to a lesser extent.

    What do you think? I appreciate your engaging with me on this.

    P.S. Link to a related recent iSteve post: http://www.unz.com/isteve/brookings-race-gaps-in-sat-math-scores-are-as-big-as-ever/

    Agree with your analysis. The 1.5x “overrepresentation” (and remember you are talking about around 1000 individuals in the entire US, so the “overrepresentation” is only a few hundred people) can easily be explained by the “flight from white” – a lot of these “blacks” would have, in former times (when IQ tests were normed), either tried to “pass” as white or would not have even been present in the country or would not existed due to prejudice against miscegenation. In fact, I’ll bet if you exclude all of those and included only those who could pass as Trayvon Martin’s brother, you would flip from “overrepresentation” to “under”.

    As another data point, until they stopped releasing the lists a few years ago, the general enrollment public schools of Philadelphia ), which are mostly black, (i.e. excluding the handful of magnet schools) produced zero national merit scholars in most years. None, nada, not one. There is no reservoir of untapped black or Hispanic talent in the US – in fact they are beating the bushes for these folks (and the gifted white groups that should be reproducing aren’t), so future browner America will be stupider America.

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  185. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Slate interviews a childless black Rachel Dolezal lookalike whose new book says whuppin’ black kids ain’t right. Why do blacks whup their chilluns in the first place? Because whitey:

    Patton […] traced the history of spanking to European parenting styles that were eventually passed on to black American slaves.

    I find that when I talk about this issue in a holistic way … when I take them back through 2,000 years of European history to show them how sadistic white people were with their own kids and that they didn’t even recognize their children as children until the 16th century, while we were treating our children as gods, and sacred beings …
     
    “We wuz Docta Spockz an’ sheeit!”

    Black Africans do indeed spank their kids. It wasn’t learned from whitey.

    Here’s one example:

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201412110072.html

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    No of course not. Anything that noted black historian and child raising expert Dolezal has to say about blacks is just pure fantasy and projection and any relation to actual reality is just by luck. The idea of the "noble savage" who is better than civilized man goes back to Rousseau and before - that really WAS invented by whitey.

    What is really sad about our society is that we give people like Dolezal and Crystal Mangum credit by actually taking what they say seriously and then acting upon it as if meant anything more than the fantasies of a 6 year old child. In the racist sexist past we were smart enough to just ignore such silly women.
    , @Lurker
    And of course the British created the caste system in India. Nothing to do with religion or Indians themselves.
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  186. Svigor says:

    Slate interviews a childless black Rachel Dolezal lookalike whose new book says whuppin’ black kids ain’t right. Why do blacks whup their chilluns in the first place? Because whitey:

    Patton […] traced the history of spanking to European parenting styles that were eventually passed on to black American slaves.

    I find that when I talk about this issue in a holistic way … when I take them back through 2,000 years of European history to show them how sadistic white people were with their own kids and that they didn’t even recognize their children as children until the 16th century, while we were treating our children as gods, and sacred beings …

    Tracing history back to blacks is problematic, since they didn’t really keep any until recently, and I doubt they keep much even now, except as funded by YT.

    Tracing history back to YT, on the other hand, is pretty trivial.

    Based on what you wrote, you need to ask:

    If whites are so understanding of each other, why are most whites killed by other whites?
    SEE how stereotypes work?

    Good point, that rhetoric could use a bit of sharpening. Like this:

    If blacks are so understanding of each other, why do they bump each other off at rates so much higher than those for yellows or whites?

    Stop trying to dehumanize black people and act as if white people are so much more decent than others. Stop trying to dehumanize black people and act as if white people are so much more decent than others.

    It’s more accurate to say that black people are so much less decent the rest, but, I quibble.

    Who was attending lynchings as if they were family entertainment? White people. Who slaughtered Native Americans?

    Well, with people who never developed writing we tend to run into the problem of history, but all the evidence suggests that it was mostly Indians slaughtering Indians. Indians were still practicing human sacrifice when we found ‘em. But they slaughtered quite a few Europeans, too, so there’s that. But I doubt they appreciate you dragging them into your beefs, leading me to air their dirty laundry.

    As for attending lynchings, well, as they say, the past is a different country. I’d still take that time in America over, say, sub-Saharan Africa in 2016, where necklacing is still family entertainment (I have a nice folder named “Dark Continent” full of files, if you’re interested). P.S., lynchings were a drop in the bucket compared to the tally blacks have racked up since Civil Rights, a lot of whites (IIRC, something like 1/3 or 1/4 of the total?) were lynched during that time, and the perps were usually guilty of one nasty crime or another.

    SEE how that works when you readily point out the flaws in other groups but fail to consider the realities of white people and their violence?

    I’m fine with comparisons. Blacks rarely come out of them looking very good, though.

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  187. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Meh. Black moms have been whupping their boys for generations and here we are.

    If you think corporal punishment is bad for black kids, just try to imagine what it would be like if no one ever disciplined them at all. They produce enough crime as it is.

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    I wasn't saying it was good or bad, just noting it's been the status quo for a long time.
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  188. Jack D says:
    @Anon
    Black Africans do indeed spank their kids. It wasn't learned from whitey.

    Here's one example:

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201412110072.html

    No of course not. Anything that noted black historian and child raising expert Dolezal has to say about blacks is just pure fantasy and projection and any relation to actual reality is just by luck. The idea of the “noble savage” who is better than civilized man goes back to Rousseau and before – that really WAS invented by whitey.

    What is really sad about our society is that we give people like Dolezal and Crystal Mangum credit by actually taking what they say seriously and then acting upon it as if meant anything more than the fantasies of a 6 year old child. In the racist sexist past we were smart enough to just ignore such silly women.

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    What is really sad about our society is that we give people like Dolezal and Crystal Mangum credit by actually taking what they say seriously and then acting upon it as if meant anything more than the fantasies of a 6 year old child. In the racist sexist past we were smart enough to just ignore such silly women.

    Which 'we' do you fancy you're looking down your nose at? Dolezal was a poseur rendered unemployable when she was exposed by family members. She was a recipient of patronage positions, but the only people professing to take her seriously were some witless non-profit sector functionaries. As for Mangum, she hardly said anything coherent at all and nothing in a public form; the only people who actually listened to anything she said and professed to take it seriously were one incompetent nurse named Tara Levicy and a crooked prosecuter named Michael Nifong.
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  189. Dr. Doom says:

    Ah these white wimmens and their false altruism. Why can they not see that those detritus of slavery do not need that White Education for their career aspirations of pimping and blaming Whitey. Like Beaver Cleaver said, “Its all Whitey’s fault Dad.” Dad was always on the lookout for Beaver. Is education really about the three “Rs”. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic only have one word that starts with “R”. Maybe we should make people pay for education directly out of pocket? Then maybe they can get the daycare they want without changing our laws into another failed state?
    Socrates said,”The only thing you can know for sure, is that you know nothing.” And Public Education has adopted that as their motto and reason for being. By erasing knowledge from students until they are gibbering idiots and monosyllabic buffoons.

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  190. @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, Anthony Sowell killed 11 black women in Cleveland, most of whom were addicts and prostitutes. He disposed of most of their bodies in his house and yard and eventually the stench led to a closer investigation of him.

    There was a very odd documentary about this serial killer on the “VICE TV” network.

    The narrative of the documentary tried to lay the blame for the delay in solving the murders on “racist whites” in the Cleveland police department. The narrative was forced and illogical.

    In fact, one main source of the delay in solving the crimes was documented in the story : racist neighborhood blacks mis-attributed the worsening stench (which was actually from the dead bodies in the black guy’s floor-boards) instead to the “smelly Arab” who owned the local market.

    https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/39the-cleveland-strangler39-the-story-of-a-brutal-serial-killer-and-his-forgotten-victims/5627aef60318acf87853d72e

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    Penn, I remember that the nearby sausage company had an industrial cleaning company in to clean their drains and sewer lines, the smell was that bad. yes, the narrative was that no one cared because they were black women, but true is, no one cared.
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  191. Corvinus says:
    @Bubba
    Great insight and well reasoned! I hope Brown v Board eventually goes down in flames along with the Civil Rights Act which completely destroyed the Right to Associate and led to White Flight (which still continues relentlessly).

    “I hope Brown v Board eventually goes down in flames along with the Civil Rights Act which completely destroyed the Right to Associate and led to White Flight (which still continues relentlessly).”

    Except southrons could not even provide the same funding for white and black schools under the Plessy case. The lawyers for the plaintiff brought in financial records and sociological data (e.g. test scores, incarceration rates) demonstrating clearly the discrepancies. Even white southerners who sought to have “equal” funding and teaching training were shot down by their southrons claiming their efforts were “progressive” and would lead to “unnecessary competition”. So, no, the Brown case and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 aren’t going to be overturned or rescinded.

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.

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    sociological data (e.g. test scores, incarceration rates) demonstrating clearly the discrepancies.
     
    LOL. Because surely those differences were caused by the schools. If you believe that I have a great bridge for sale (completed in 1883, so barely used).

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.
     

    Better watch out. You might be watsoned if you keep saying things like that. The SJWs aren't as forgiving as the iSteve commenters.
    , @Jack D

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.
     
    This is very noble and MLK sounding on paper, like something a politician would say to get elected. Maybe back in the day, someone like Bill Clinton trying to appeal to high minded moderates. Are you running for something? Unfortunately, it has very little to do with reality.

    What actually matters in the real world is the race of the students and their home environment. Among the million things that have been shown NOT to close the Gap in any replicable study is the identity of the teacher. You could put Barack Obama himself in front of that classroom of his "sons" like Trayvon and it wouldn't make one damn bit of difference in their long term educational achievement. Half the battle is lost when the sperm meets the egg and the other half is lost when the baby goes home from the hospital and had to live with its baby momma every damn day of his life. 1,200 hours/year in the classroom ain't nothing compared to that.
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  192. Neoconned says:
    @Alice
    It plays to my biases.

    The nice, sweet, white teachers now talk feelings with the boys, and when that doesn't work, their white principals blame the teacher, not the child. The child must not feel safe!

    But black male teachers tells the black boys' mother that he needs a whuppin'.

    No, not kidding. Heard it myself. Works if you have a black principal backing up the black teacher.

    Maybe if they are told to shape up, some of them do actually shape up.

    Most white teachers are horrified at the thought of the discipline as abuse, so horrified they'd never tell any parent that there's a problem.

    And of course no white principal or teacher is going to say that ever anymore.

    We can't even begin to say it's possible modern progressive discipline methods don't work on some children.

    Hey man! Those sinecure jobs are getting scarce!

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  193. @anonymous

    This is why the establishment actually needs alt-right news outlets. “I’m shocked, shocked, to find people ridiculing our racial pieties!”
     
    Slavery virtue signalling has been the time-worn strategy of black folks, which is to be expected, since it ironically has kept them relatively safe from scrutiny, allowing them to act like negro minstrel show characters. You can't be ashamed of your minstrel behavior if there's nobody around to shame you. Your culture will then allow you to believe that behaving like a tragicomic figure on the world's stage is a collective feature, not a bug.

    On rare occasions, someone will deviate from the norm, usually an insightful black person, but they'll be shut down either by their own will to survive, or like Cosby, shamed and harassed into submission.

    Here's a well-known Chris Rock black shaming his audience. I presume it was done in frustration with the lowest common denominator of his culture screwing up his millionaire life. You may be Chris Rock when a cop pulls you over on a lonely highway, or when you walk into Bergdorf Goodman, but the patina of being Black also hangs heavy during the first few moments, I'm sure.

    It should be noted, he didn't do it again. They likely let him walk away because of that:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4

    This stand up special was called Bring the Pain. And he did. Too much, it would seem because his next stand-up special was called “Bigger and BLACKER” and contained none of the tough love of BTP. I guess he saw a white camera man laughing a little too hard at “I take care of my keeds!” and couldn’t handle the existential crisis it triggered.

    Since then, Colt FortyFeinberg on Howard Stern was funnier.

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    Chappelle's new special has some funny stuff.
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  194. karcer says:

    This opinion is trash. I don’t even think you read the article. Love how you cherry picked. The writer doesn’t knock all white teachers– or even say Black kids should have only Black teachers. You need to check your fragile (and yes, extremely racist) white ego if you think it’s a terrible idea for a Black kid to have “even one” Black teacher at some point in k-12. (And this, from a white lady). P.S. It’s not a bad thing for white kids either– but bet you’d raise holy hell if your precious little white children were facing en education delivered mostly by people of color.

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    Educated white ladies know that it's "an education" and not "en education" ... then again, you never claimed you were educated.
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  195. The Buffalo News reported last week that the Buffalo Public School District was recruiting Spanish speaking teachers from Puerto Rico. There is a large influx of students from PR, where they are closing schools, and the BPSD is now 19% Hispanic with 4% of all teachers being Hispanic. But if you can teach in Spanish, why do you need to be Hispanic ?

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  196. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Desiderius

    If black people worked regular jobs where performance could be measured and scrutinized, leading to being fired if they didn’t measure up, a sizable number of blacks willing to work would be perpetually unemployed.
     
    Or it could be that blacks (like regular whites) struggle in environments with relatively little structure/authority but do better where the dominance dynamics are more clear cut.

    Or it could be that blacks (like regular whites) struggle in environments with relatively little structure/authority but do better where the dominance dynamics are more clear cut.

    How many black construction crews, or crews with a black overseer have you ever seen? In California, I hire crews fairly often, and I’ve never seen a black construction worker, much less a crew or company. Look into the corporate sector. Blacks are highly underrepresented, and many can’t make it above lower management. How many successful black mechanics have you seen? How about black run businesses worth a damn? A small grocery store doesn’t require high analytic skills. You don’t see blacks in common jobs, or particularly corporate jobs where performance is a requirement. Look to Zimbabwe for the perfect petri dish to test out your apparent theory that blacks can do what white people do. HINT: since they replaced white farmer’s, they’re starving.

    In government jobs, short of punching your manager in the face, the chances of getting fired for shitty performance is close to non-existent. I would say one field low-performance blacks can slip into is as care givers in the private sector, because those companies are desperate for workers. That doesn’t mean they’re great care-givers, and that doesn’t mean they aren’t underrepresented there also.

    Generally speaking, without a white patriarchal figure, too many black folks just can’t deal with making consistent contributions to modern civilization. They need a crutch. Government jobs are the nod pitying whites give to american blacks. Without that protection, black unemployment would be through the roof.

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    If you'd like to see blacks working construction, you need to come back east.

    The black share of the occupations listed is as follows:

    Brickmasons: 6.4%
    Carpenters: 5.4%
    Cement masons: 10.5%
    Drywall installers: 6.7%
    Electricians: 5.9%
    Foremen: 5.5%
    HVAC techs: 7%
    Heavy Equipment operators: 8.7%
    Helpers: 9.2%
    Painters: 5.7%
    , @Art Deco
    Government jobs are the nod pitying whites give to american blacks. Without that protection, black unemployment would be through the roof.

    Courtesy the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

    11.9% of the work force is black.


    The black shares in sectors wherein the provider is commonly (or exclusively) a public agency or public enterprise are as follows:

    public administration: 16.7% black
    educational services: 11.1%
    bus and urban transit: 30.4%
    postal services: 22.1%
    utilities: 10.9%
    'social assistance': 19.6%

    About 18% of the total workforce is employed in one of these sectors (or subsectors), or about 26.million people. Blacks constitute 14% of these workforces taken together.

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  197. “The proposal was to create a non-accredited school. I said that wouldn’t work legally. That’s a problem with the law and lawyers, not with the proposal per se.”

    That was a whole different thread, wasn’t it? It was back on the “mad at Sullivan” thread, Dave Pinsen’s proposal. Here I was talking about your failing to “get” the issues with the black people capable of passing the credential tests being eligible for other, better jobs.

    And it really nets you nothing to obsess about how meeeeeean I am, whether to you or everyone else, which I’m definitely not. And you’re quite right not just about Ahrnold forgetting that, but also Massachussetts recently.

    ” Jimmy Carter gutted the civil service exam and I don’t think it has ever recovered. I’m not an expert in these areas so I definitely welcome corrections which include evidence.”

    Yes, I’ve heard that, too. But in corporate America, you see a lot of racial sorting. For example, when I was in tech you saw a lot of blacks and Hispanics in operations. It was a job that didn’t require a lot of abstraction, did require a lot of procedural memory as well as enjoyment of occasional catastrophic problem solving. You didn’t see a lot of either in programming, particularly apps programming. I suspect that’s how it worked out.

    “My point was that it requires a certain amount of cognitive ability to meet the screens and drawing a disproportionate number of those eligible reduces the pool available to provide 13% representation in other fields.”

    Yes, that was my point as well to you. I should have looked at the military numbers in that comparison.

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    Here I was talking about your failing to “get” the issues with the black people capable of passing the credential tests being eligible for other, better jobs.
     
    Reading comprehension much? Review my original response, this time without overestimating your relative intelligence.

    Of course better jobs are draining the numbers, but the baseline is also too low apart from the drain due to the IQ gap and the credential tests overvaluing abstract thinking/test-taking ability.

    You set up a false dichotomy. I noted it. You pretended that I missed your precious point (to save face? I'm done speculating).
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  198. res says:
    @Corvinus
    "I hope Brown v Board eventually goes down in flames along with the Civil Rights Act which completely destroyed the Right to Associate and led to White Flight (which still continues relentlessly)."

    Except southrons could not even provide the same funding for white and black schools under the Plessy case. The lawyers for the plaintiff brought in financial records and sociological data (e.g. test scores, incarceration rates) demonstrating clearly the discrepancies. Even white southerners who sought to have "equal" funding and teaching training were shot down by their southrons claiming their efforts were "progressive" and would lead to "unnecessary competition". So, no, the Brown case and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 aren't going to be overturned or rescinded.

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.

    sociological data (e.g. test scores, incarceration rates) demonstrating clearly the discrepancies.

    LOL. Because surely those differences were caused by the schools. If you believe that I have a great bridge for sale (completed in 1883, so barely used).

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.

    Better watch out. You might be watsoned if you keep saying things like that. The SJWs aren’t as forgiving as the iSteve commenters.

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    "LOL. Because surely those differences were caused by the schools."

    The disparate funding of schools, combined with less experienced staff found at black schools compared to white schools, assuredly was a major factor in the widening gap between blacks and whites when it came to educational opportunities and achievement.
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  199. “What is really sad about our society is that we give people like Dolezal and Crystal Mangum credit by actually taking what they say seriously and then acting upon it as if meant anything more than the fantasies of a 6 year old child. In the racist sexist past we were smart enough to just ignore such silly women.”

    You mistake what the media does for “taking what they say seriously” and the media publicizing the failure of others to take it seriously as “acting upon it”.

    No one is acting on what either of them say. The only reason Mangum got her moment was because someone pretended to believe her. Dolezal didn’t get that much.

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    I doubt this. SJW's are called True Believers for a reason. I'd bet most if not all of the Gang of 88 really believed that Mangum had been raped. I think even Nifong sort of believed her at the beginning and by the time he realized that it was all a crock, he was in over his head and couldn't think of a way to gracefully back out without destroying his career.

    On the other hand, being a tenured academic means never having to say your sorry. I'll bet some of the Gang of 88 STILL believe Mangum or that at least "something happened" or that even though the lacrosse players weren't guilty of this PARTICULAR crime they were guilty of being incorrigible racists and so deserved to have their lives destroyed anyway. AFAIK, none of them ever offered a sincere apology. OTOH, the wrongfully accused players are now rich men courtesy of the legal settlement that they received so maybe living well is the best revenge.

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  200. “Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.”

    Actually, as I’ve just pointed out and the research in the original post shows, you are incorrect. At least thus far, the research supporting race’s impact on academic outcome for blacks is much more robust than that showing a link between outcomes and teacher IQ, test score, ability level.

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  201. Jack D says:
    @education realist
    "What is really sad about our society is that we give people like Dolezal and Crystal Mangum credit by actually taking what they say seriously and then acting upon it as if meant anything more than the fantasies of a 6 year old child. In the racist sexist past we were smart enough to just ignore such silly women."

    You mistake what the media does for "taking what they say seriously" and the media publicizing the failure of others to take it seriously as "acting upon it".

    No one is acting on what either of them say. The only reason Mangum got her moment was because someone pretended to believe her. Dolezal didn't get that much.

    I doubt this. SJW’s are called True Believers for a reason. I’d bet most if not all of the Gang of 88 really believed that Mangum had been raped. I think even Nifong sort of believed her at the beginning and by the time he realized that it was all a crock, he was in over his head and couldn’t think of a way to gracefully back out without destroying his career.

    On the other hand, being a tenured academic means never having to say your sorry. I’ll bet some of the Gang of 88 STILL believe Mangum or that at least “something happened” or that even though the lacrosse players weren’t guilty of this PARTICULAR crime they were guilty of being incorrigible racists and so deserved to have their lives destroyed anyway. AFAIK, none of them ever offered a sincere apology. OTOH, the wrongfully accused players are now rich men courtesy of the legal settlement that they received so maybe living well is the best revenge.

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    Many of those Duke lacrosse players, if not all, would probably trade whatever lawsuit settlement to regain the lost years, undo reputation damage and eliminate any negative intangibles lingering from the event.
    , @Art Deco
    I think even Nifong sort of believed her at the beginning and by the time he realized that it was all a crock, he was in over his head and couldn’t think of a way to gracefully back out without destroying his career.

    Contrary to procedure, the police officers assigned to the case were told to report not to their superiors but to Nifong, who, in effect, ran the investigation from that point. Nifong and the senior investigator (Sgt. Gottlieb) were told three weeks later than supersentive DNA testing had identified the traces of at least 4 men in Crystal Gail Mangum in her various orifices, none of them on the lax team. They knew at that point that the case was a hoax. They hadn't sought any indictments at the time.

    Nifong did not care about his career per se. He was the acting district attorney who had been appointed (on the recommendation of his predecessor) with the understanding that he would not run for the office. His first act on taking office was to fire a rival, who then announced her candidacy for DA. She was the favorite and it would have been payback time when she took office. So, he elected to run for the office, not because he cared about it, but because he needed a few more years to top off his pension. He was quite explicit about his purposes to the woman he hired to run his campaign.

    While we're at it, multiperpetrator rape of black women by white men is so unusual that it cannot be tracked accurately with ordinary survey research. It's a reasonable wager that the Durham DA's office had never prosecuted a case during Nifong's employment there, or had only prosecuted a low-single-digit quantum of cases. It likely smelled from the get-go to an experienced prosecutor.

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  202. dr kill says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Seriously, the anti-white rhetorical hostility level keeps going up and up, which is of course inevitable if in respectable society whites aren’t allowed to point out when blacks cross the line.
     
    Don't you mean "when blacks cross our line."

    People around here - and whites in general - keep getting mad that blacks don't act like whites. Why on earth do you expect them to act like whites?

    I can understand such silliness from whites who have no clue about HBD, but why do people around here get so upset and confused by black behaviour?

    Would you get mad and confused that your German Shepard doesn't jump down rat holes like your Rat Terrier? Of course not. So why does everyone around here get upset when blacks don't act like whites?

    Bravo

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  203. @education realist
    "The proposal was to create a non-accredited school. I said that wouldn’t work legally. That’s a problem with the law and lawyers, not with the proposal per se."

    That was a whole different thread, wasn't it? It was back on the "mad at Sullivan" thread, Dave Pinsen's proposal. Here I was talking about your failing to "get" the issues with the black people capable of passing the credential tests being eligible for other, better jobs.

    And it really nets you nothing to obsess about how meeeeeean I am, whether to you or everyone else, which I'm definitely not. And you're quite right not just about Ahrnold forgetting that, but also Massachussetts recently.

    " Jimmy Carter gutted the civil service exam and I don’t think it has ever recovered. I’m not an expert in these areas so I definitely welcome corrections which include evidence."

    Yes, I've heard that, too. But in corporate America, you see a lot of racial sorting. For example, when I was in tech you saw a lot of blacks and Hispanics in operations. It was a job that didn't require a lot of abstraction, did require a lot of procedural memory as well as enjoyment of occasional catastrophic problem solving. You didn't see a lot of either in programming, particularly apps programming. I suspect that's how it worked out.

    "My point was that it requires a certain amount of cognitive ability to meet the screens and drawing a disproportionate number of those eligible reduces the pool available to provide 13% representation in other fields."

    Yes, that was my point as well to you. I should have looked at the military numbers in that comparison.

    Here I was talking about your failing to “get” the issues with the black people capable of passing the credential tests being eligible for other, better jobs.

    Reading comprehension much? Review my original response, this time without overestimating your relative intelligence.

    Of course better jobs are draining the numbers, but the baseline is also too low apart from the drain due to the IQ gap and the credential tests overvaluing abstract thinking/test-taking ability.

    You set up a false dichotomy. I noted it. You pretended that I missed your precious point (to save face? I’m done speculating).

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  204. Times were better when nice White ladies became nuns and taught poor White children.

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    "Nice?"
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  205. Ivy says:
    @Jack D
    I doubt this. SJW's are called True Believers for a reason. I'd bet most if not all of the Gang of 88 really believed that Mangum had been raped. I think even Nifong sort of believed her at the beginning and by the time he realized that it was all a crock, he was in over his head and couldn't think of a way to gracefully back out without destroying his career.

    On the other hand, being a tenured academic means never having to say your sorry. I'll bet some of the Gang of 88 STILL believe Mangum or that at least "something happened" or that even though the lacrosse players weren't guilty of this PARTICULAR crime they were guilty of being incorrigible racists and so deserved to have their lives destroyed anyway. AFAIK, none of them ever offered a sincere apology. OTOH, the wrongfully accused players are now rich men courtesy of the legal settlement that they received so maybe living well is the best revenge.

    Many of those Duke lacrosse players, if not all, would probably trade whatever lawsuit settlement to regain the lost years, undo reputation damage and eliminate any negative intangibles lingering from the event.

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  206. @newrouter
    "But it does give me the ability to see them in a way that’s untarnished by the stereotypes, biases and cultural disconnects that fuel inequality and injustice"

    I nominate Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas to teach young male black Americans.

    I nominate Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas to teach young male black Americans.

    I think they will pass on that suggestion.

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  207. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    No one deserves it more than the NWLs.

    They put the rest of us through Hell.

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  208. @Malcolm X-Lax
    This stand up special was called Bring the Pain. And he did. Too much, it would seem because his next stand-up special was called "Bigger and BLACKER" and contained none of the tough love of BTP. I guess he saw a white camera man laughing a little too hard at "I take care of my keeds!" and couldn't handle the existential crisis it triggered.

    Since then, Colt FortyFeinberg on Howard Stern was funnier.

    Chappelle’s new special has some funny stuff.

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  209. Jack–oh, I’m sorry. I thought you were talking about actual changes. Opining and fussing doesn’t get much done.

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  210. “Of course better jobs are draining the numbers, but the baseline is also too low apart from the drain due to the IQ gap and the credential tests overvaluing abstract thinking/test-taking ability.”

    I’ve taken more credential tests than you and they don’t overvalue abstract thinking or test-taking ability. But in any case, I really don’t think you understand the point or perhaps you’re just terrible at expressing yourself.

    “You set up a false dichotomy. I noted it. You pretended that I missed your precious point (to save face? I’m done speculating).”

    Um, what? You were referring to the previous post. But what you quoted involved this conversation. I was genuinely trying to figure out what the hell you’re talking about.

    I hate to tell you this, given your snippiness, but you’re not interesting enough to keep track of. I didn’t even realize you were the person at the other thread who was talking about HR and lawsuits until you mentioned it. In any event, done.

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  211. J1234 says:

    The Real Reason Black Kids Benefit From Black Teachers

    They’re less likely to be forced to learn about George Washington’s farewell address or Thomas Jefferson’s channeling John Locke and other boring stuff, and more likely to learn cool dance moves.

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  212. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @ConcernedCitizen
    Based on what you wrote, you need to ask:

    If whites are so understanding of each other, why are most whites killed by other whites?
    SEE how stereotypes work?

    Stop trying to dehumanize black people and act as if white people are so much more decent than others.

    Who was attending lynchings as if they were family entertainment? White people. Who slaughtered Native Americans?

    SEE how that works when you readily point out the flaws in other groups but fail to consider the realities of white people and their violence?

    Hey, you got new batteries for your virtue dildo.

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  213. Trelane says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Trelane, I moved the letters of your name around and I can't seem to spell Tiny Duck. Are you our new Troll? We are rather fond of TD.

    Sarcasm Joe, it was sarcasm.

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    Tre, sorry. I missed it because it was nicely done. And anyhow, TD is tenured.
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  214. snorlax says:
    @Flounderello
    Times were better when nice White ladies became nuns and taught poor White children.

    “Nice?”

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  215. Jack D says:
    @Corvinus
    "I hope Brown v Board eventually goes down in flames along with the Civil Rights Act which completely destroyed the Right to Associate and led to White Flight (which still continues relentlessly)."

    Except southrons could not even provide the same funding for white and black schools under the Plessy case. The lawyers for the plaintiff brought in financial records and sociological data (e.g. test scores, incarceration rates) demonstrating clearly the discrepancies. Even white southerners who sought to have "equal" funding and teaching training were shot down by their southrons claiming their efforts were "progressive" and would lead to "unnecessary competition". So, no, the Brown case and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 aren't going to be overturned or rescinded.

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.

    This is very noble and MLK sounding on paper, like something a politician would say to get elected. Maybe back in the day, someone like Bill Clinton trying to appeal to high minded moderates. Are you running for something? Unfortunately, it has very little to do with reality.

    What actually matters in the real world is the race of the students and their home environment. Among the million things that have been shown NOT to close the Gap in any replicable study is the identity of the teacher. You could put Barack Obama himself in front of that classroom of his “sons” like Trayvon and it wouldn’t make one damn bit of difference in their long term educational achievement. Half the battle is lost when the sperm meets the egg and the other half is lost when the baby goes home from the hospital and had to live with its baby momma every damn day of his life. 1,200 hours/year in the classroom ain’t nothing compared to that.

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    Obama was actually in that position, in front of real, live students. He taught them to fight the Man and overthrow the System, or something.

    I imagine the Gap could be closed a bit on those subjects. If nothing else, blacks make good shock troops.

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  216. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Lagertha
    Everything you state is happening. I found it interesting (over the past 8 years) that the UCal system has a link that lets an applicant state that they consider teaching( at the HS level). My sons considered clicking that (they were seriously, OOS, which has a 3% acceptance rate) bc they really wanted to get in UCSD or UCSB...even, for Chrissakes, UCB! But, bc they are Lagertha's Lutheran sons, they could not lie. My sons have always had trouble embellishing, lying, bragging, self-aggrandizing. If that is not the true value of a Finn (half), well, nothing is. But, Finns are still considered the dim-wits of The North!

    Finn’s on a per capita basis have to have the best spatial-cognitive brainpower going. How else do they mint so many world class racing drivers?

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    Keke Rosberg was a personal favorite. And, my visuo-spatial IQ is 200+, btw, - sometimes, I just need to brag...however, no car racing.

    I have often thought about writing about how Finns (farmers, all) became so crazy about car racing in the 60's. Formula 1 racers literally, came off of farms.
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  217. @Art Deco
    B. Ehrenreich's a snot-nose and not the most perspicacious writer. This effort got her on Charlie Rose a generation ago when the book appeared. Why recommend it?

    She’s in large part worse than a snot-nose. Doesn’t mean she can’t be right sometimes.

    Seems like a good explanation for the behavior of the Martin parents here.

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    Seems like a good explanation for the behavior of the Martin parents here.

    Ehrenreich purported to be explaining the mundane conduct of a certain bourgeois type, mostly people like herself. It's doubtful she ever had much insight into people like that, much less average people like the Martin-Fulton-Stanley-Greene crew, much less still ordinary people in peculiar situations beset by hucksters like Crump / Julison and Corey / de la Rionda, not to mention assorted rabble.

    Somewhat off topic, one thing you notice about contentious homicide cases (not those resolved through plea bargains) is that family members are commonly partisans of the prosecutors no matter how dubious his case is. Take as one example the case delineated by John Grisham in The Innocent Man. The defendants in that case were an improbable pair to begin with (a chronically unemployed local drunk and a middle school science teacher, both past 30; one had no criminal history while the other had a mess of citations for disorderly conduct at the life but not much more). The mother of the victim (estranged from the victim's father) was quietly perturbed by the trials and never quite persuaded that law enforcement had found the perpetrators; however, there were paternal-side relatives who fancied law enforcement had the right pair even after DNA testing had identified a different perpetrator.

    You had the special prosecutor, the trial prosecutor, one of the three judges assigned to the case, and at least one detective employed by the Sanford (Fla) Police telling Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin that their son was a crime victim; you had gobs of loser journalists willing to turn George Zimmerman into a depersonalized object of hate with the most transparent rhetorical games and falsehoods. It would have been quite extraordinary had Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin simply ignored them, mourned on their own time, and told the world to go away and leave them alone. Some people will do that in that sort of situation, but the smart money does not bet that way.

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  218. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Tiny Duck
    You jerks can make flippant comments all you want but the demographic cannot be stopped.

    It would behoove whites to act a little more decently so as to avoid any unpleasantness in the future.

    If justice is not served we might have to have a tragic but necessary Haitian solution

    And what a great “success” story Haiti has been ever since its “final solution” of whites there, huh sport? And where do Haitians invite themselves to when they flee their all black paradise? Africa? Uh, no. They go to the majority white US.

    Thanks for letting us know what you really think of us btw.

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  219. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anon
    If you think corporal punishment is bad for black kids, just try to imagine what it would be like if no one ever disciplined them at all. They produce enough crime as it is.

    I wasn’t saying it was good or bad, just noting it’s been the status quo for a long time.

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  220. @fish
    ....and now you know why George Zimmerman was described as "white".

    ….and now you know why George Zimmerman was described as “white”.

    Initially, he was described as white because that’s how the police report described him.

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    Please, do not worry for him, in the case of any government program that targets Hispanics, he will be properly recognized as such.
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  221. @Autochthon
    Your observations highlight a critical matter needing far more attention. Europeans (and those of us in the diaspora) must learn to differentiate (and implement the learning!) between morality, honesty, etc. vis-a-vis honourable, deserving people who will reciprocate the behaviour and who themselves are inclined to support and assist the European (or, at the very least, treat him impartially and fairly) and moral, honest, and otherwise honourable and altruistic behaviour toward the cooly disinterested and, especially, the hostile.

    The universities you cite are now evil institutions. Affiliation with them is nevertheless potentially valuable due to crazed credentialism and their perhaps yet decent instruction in matters purely material (for instance, medicine or electronics) – provided one can steel oneself from the abuse and disinformation accompanying it.

    That value conceded, your sons' dissembling on applications to these evil institutions is no more an act of moral turpitude than are the acts of a spy or a downed aviator during wartime who seeks to remain undetected via disguises and ruses.

    Don't think for one moment the spawn of the Obamas, Amy Chua, and Geraldo Rivera, and Satya Nadella heaitate for an instant about declaring their oppression and status as so-called minorities in similar situations, their consciences restraining them with admonitions that they are inconceivably privileged and therefore ought not to seek still more unearned benefits at the expense of bright white children living in desperate in abject poverty in Wheeling or Cheyenne. Remember well that scheming little Mohammedan bastard Steve profiled a week or two ago and his incessant mewling about how rough it was being a fabulously wealthy and connected Muslim. That is the representative attitude. It's all a zero-sum game to everyone except whites, and they are all playing for keeps.

    This incorrigible compulsion to adhere to Queensberry'd rules (which now already require a white person to enter the fray with one hand forcibly tied behind his back) presumably arises from an ingrained notion of unconquerable superiority and even a touch of pity and paternalistic noblesse oblige toward other races, held over from an era with circumstances long since changed.

    It's one thing to let a small child win at checkers or arm-wrestling because you are a good sport uninterested in humiliating children; it is quite another matter entirely to, many years later, perpetuate the same lazily indulgent attitude to that that child, now grown and having developed a pathological, scheming hatred in his heart for you. You cannot go on signing contracts he presents to you without reading them, or pulling your punches should he assault you in the streets.

    You seem like a very loving mother. I implore you to teach your children this important lesson.

    that child, now grown…

    What do you mean, “grown”? I thought we were talking about people of color.

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  222. @Diversity Heretic
    Very good post--the mindset of white people of European origin vis-a-vis groups that will not reciprocate our good will must change or we will go the way of the Dodo bird. I was particularly gratified to see you mentioning Amy Chua. We need to stop deluding ourselves that Asians are somehow a model minority--they are as committed to our racial displacement and eventual annhilation as any Negro criminal, although their methods differ.

    I was particularly gratified to see you mentioning Amy Chua.

    You might enjoy this recent discussion I had with Twinkie (starting at #96).

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    Oddly, the above isn’t in my comment history. Testing, testing…
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  223. guest says:
    @benjaminl
    It's been a while since I've watched the show, but I think there was a plot thread like this on The Wire.

    There was, in a way. A rising drug kingpin (with a scar on his face, like a certain historical gangster) disposes of the bodies of his enemies in abandoned row houses, bolting wooden slabs over the doors. He’s not a serial killer in the traditional sense, and his two trusted, thuggish lieutenants (one of whom, with an extreme case of tomboyishness, is very authentic and I think probably not an actress by profession) do the dirty work.

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  224. guest says:
    @Jack D

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.
     
    This is very noble and MLK sounding on paper, like something a politician would say to get elected. Maybe back in the day, someone like Bill Clinton trying to appeal to high minded moderates. Are you running for something? Unfortunately, it has very little to do with reality.

    What actually matters in the real world is the race of the students and their home environment. Among the million things that have been shown NOT to close the Gap in any replicable study is the identity of the teacher. You could put Barack Obama himself in front of that classroom of his "sons" like Trayvon and it wouldn't make one damn bit of difference in their long term educational achievement. Half the battle is lost when the sperm meets the egg and the other half is lost when the baby goes home from the hospital and had to live with its baby momma every damn day of his life. 1,200 hours/year in the classroom ain't nothing compared to that.

    Obama was actually in that position, in front of real, live students. He taught them to fight the Man and overthrow the System, or something.

    I imagine the Gap could be closed a bit on those subjects. If nothing else, blacks make good shock troops.

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  225. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    No of course not. Anything that noted black historian and child raising expert Dolezal has to say about blacks is just pure fantasy and projection and any relation to actual reality is just by luck. The idea of the "noble savage" who is better than civilized man goes back to Rousseau and before - that really WAS invented by whitey.

    What is really sad about our society is that we give people like Dolezal and Crystal Mangum credit by actually taking what they say seriously and then acting upon it as if meant anything more than the fantasies of a 6 year old child. In the racist sexist past we were smart enough to just ignore such silly women.

    What is really sad about our society is that we give people like Dolezal and Crystal Mangum credit by actually taking what they say seriously and then acting upon it as if meant anything more than the fantasies of a 6 year old child. In the racist sexist past we were smart enough to just ignore such silly women.

    Which ‘we’ do you fancy you’re looking down your nose at? Dolezal was a poseur rendered unemployable when she was exposed by family members. She was a recipient of patronage positions, but the only people professing to take her seriously were some witless non-profit sector functionaries. As for Mangum, she hardly said anything coherent at all and nothing in a public form; the only people who actually listened to anything she said and professed to take it seriously were one incompetent nurse named Tara Levicy and a crooked prosecuter named Michael Nifong.

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  226. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous

    Or it could be that blacks (like regular whites) struggle in environments with relatively little structure/authority but do better where the dominance dynamics are more clear cut.
     
    How many black construction crews, or crews with a black overseer have you ever seen? In California, I hire crews fairly often, and I've never seen a black construction worker, much less a crew or company. Look into the corporate sector. Blacks are highly underrepresented, and many can't make it above lower management. How many successful black mechanics have you seen? How about black run businesses worth a damn? A small grocery store doesn't require high analytic skills. You don't see blacks in common jobs, or particularly corporate jobs where performance is a requirement. Look to Zimbabwe for the perfect petri dish to test out your apparent theory that blacks can do what white people do. HINT: since they replaced white farmer's, they're starving.

    In government jobs, short of punching your manager in the face, the chances of getting fired for shitty performance is close to non-existent. I would say one field low-performance blacks can slip into is as care givers in the private sector, because those companies are desperate for workers. That doesn't mean they're great care-givers, and that doesn't mean they aren't underrepresented there also.

    Generally speaking, without a white patriarchal figure, too many black folks just can't deal with making consistent contributions to modern civilization. They need a crutch. Government jobs are the nod pitying whites give to american blacks. Without that protection, black unemployment would be through the roof.

    If you’d like to see blacks working construction, you need to come back east.

    The black share of the occupations listed is as follows:

    Brickmasons: 6.4%
    Carpenters: 5.4%
    Cement masons: 10.5%
    Drywall installers: 6.7%
    Electricians: 5.9%
    Foremen: 5.5%
    HVAC techs: 7%
    Heavy Equipment operators: 8.7%
    Helpers: 9.2%
    Painters: 5.7%

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    If you’d like to see blacks working construction, you need to come back east.

    The black share of the occupations listed is as follows:

    Brickmasons: 6.4%
    Carpenters: 5.4%
    Cement masons: 10.5%
    Drywall installers: 6.7%
    Electricians: 5.9%
    Foremen: 5.5%
    HVAC techs: 7%
    Heavy Equipment operators: 8.7%
    Helpers: 9.2%
    Painters: 5.7%
     
    Irrelevant, since you provide no credible citations, old sport.
    , @Formerly CARealist
    Okay Art. You've got plenty of stats to quote. But Anonymous was telling you what he's seen and experienced.

    We've hired quite a few construction types over the years and there's been a few blacks, always competent. But the number of Mexicans and other hispanics? By far the majority. The "white hispanics" tend to be in charge and all the guys working are short, strong, and brown.

    Maybe all the black tradesmen are in the south so they drive up the numbers nationwide, but here in CA they're pretty invisible. If you're in a trade, you're white or Latin. No Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Indian. Hardly any blacks.
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  227. Lurker says:
    @Anon
    Black Africans do indeed spank their kids. It wasn't learned from whitey.

    Here's one example:

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201412110072.html

    And of course the British created the caste system in India. Nothing to do with religion or Indians themselves.

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  228. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius
    She's in large part worse than a snot-nose. Doesn't mean she can't be right sometimes.

    Seems like a good explanation for the behavior of the Martin parents here.

    Seems like a good explanation for the behavior of the Martin parents here.

    Ehrenreich purported to be explaining the mundane conduct of a certain bourgeois type, mostly people like herself. It's doubtful she ever had much insight into people like that, much less average people like the Martin-Fulton-Stanley-Greene crew, much less still ordinary people in peculiar situations beset by hucksters like Crump / Julison and Corey / de la Rionda, not to mention assorted rabble.

    Somewhat off topic, one thing you notice about contentious homicide cases (not those resolved through plea bargains) is that family members are commonly partisans of the prosecutors no matter how dubious his case is. Take as one example the case delineated by John Grisham in The Innocent Man. The defendants in that case were an improbable pair to begin with (a chronically unemployed local drunk and a middle school science teacher, both past 30; one had no criminal history while the other had a mess of citations for disorderly conduct at the life but not much more). The mother of the victim (estranged from the victim’s father) was quietly perturbed by the trials and never quite persuaded that law enforcement had found the perpetrators; however, there were paternal-side relatives who fancied law enforcement had the right pair even after DNA testing had identified a different perpetrator.

    You had the special prosecutor, the trial prosecutor, one of the three judges assigned to the case, and at least one detective employed by the Sanford (Fla) Police telling Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin that their son was a crime victim; you had gobs of loser journalists willing to turn George Zimmerman into a depersonalized object of hate with the most transparent rhetorical games and falsehoods. It would have been quite extraordinary had Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin simply ignored them, mourned on their own time, and told the world to go away and leave them alone. Some people will do that in that sort of situation, but the smart money does not bet that way.

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    Ehrenreich purported to be explaining the mundane conduct of a certain bourgeois type, mostly people like herself.
     
    Yes, and more or less our entire society has been on a multi-generational crusade to transform people like Martin's parents into that type.

    Perhaps you've noticed.
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  229. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    I doubt this. SJW's are called True Believers for a reason. I'd bet most if not all of the Gang of 88 really believed that Mangum had been raped. I think even Nifong sort of believed her at the beginning and by the time he realized that it was all a crock, he was in over his head and couldn't think of a way to gracefully back out without destroying his career.

    On the other hand, being a tenured academic means never having to say your sorry. I'll bet some of the Gang of 88 STILL believe Mangum or that at least "something happened" or that even though the lacrosse players weren't guilty of this PARTICULAR crime they were guilty of being incorrigible racists and so deserved to have their lives destroyed anyway. AFAIK, none of them ever offered a sincere apology. OTOH, the wrongfully accused players are now rich men courtesy of the legal settlement that they received so maybe living well is the best revenge.

    I think even Nifong sort of believed her at the beginning and by the time he realized that it was all a crock, he was in over his head and couldn’t think of a way to gracefully back out without destroying his career.

    Contrary to procedure, the police officers assigned to the case were told to report not to their superiors but to Nifong, who, in effect, ran the investigation from that point. Nifong and the senior investigator (Sgt. Gottlieb) were told three weeks later than supersentive DNA testing had identified the traces of at least 4 men in Crystal Gail Mangum in her various orifices, none of them on the lax team. They knew at that point that the case was a hoax. They hadn’t sought any indictments at the time.

    Nifong did not care about his career per se. He was the acting district attorney who had been appointed (on the recommendation of his predecessor) with the understanding that he would not run for the office. His first act on taking office was to fire a rival, who then announced her candidacy for DA. She was the favorite and it would have been payback time when she took office. So, he elected to run for the office, not because he cared about it, but because he needed a few more years to top off his pension. He was quite explicit about his purposes to the woman he hired to run his campaign.

    While we’re at it, multiperpetrator rape of black women by white men is so unusual that it cannot be tracked accurately with ordinary survey research. It’s a reasonable wager that the Durham DA’s office had never prosecuted a case during Nifong’s employment there, or had only prosecuted a low-single-digit quantum of cases. It likely smelled from the get-go to an experienced prosecutor.

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    Read Bonfire for the appeal of the Great White Defendant to prosecutors. He must have found it irresistible.
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  230. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    White people are self-deprechauns.

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  231. Bleuteaux says:
    @Michelle
    "Any" employed African-American? Most, maybe, but my experience has been and is different. My department has only one Black worker left and she is, regularly, 20 minutes to 1/2 hour late to work every single day. Despite the fact that she lives across the street from her place of work. When she gets to work she immediately gets on the phone with her various "Foster" sisters or tells me that she is going to McDonald's or the Post Office to check her P.O. box. Most of her day is spent watching TV shows and playing slots on her computer.

    Her former workmate, also Black, used to regularly call in the morning to tell us to tell her supervisor that she would be late, this happened around 3 times a week. She would often call again at noon to then tell us that she wasn't coming after all, and tell us to tell her supervisor to put it down as "Vacation", because she was out of sick leave. When she did make it to work she spent all day complaining and refusing to do this or that and she played slots about 80% of her time. She was all paranoid and telling us that her supervisor was trying to get rid of her, while we all felt that her supervisor let her get away with murder! We could only scrape together 59 bucks for her retirement gift, her supervisors made up the difference for a $100 Target card. Of course, she threw a hissy fit anyway, saying she deserved a lot more. We were glad to see the back of her!

    These two full time clerical positions are being phased out and Black full time workers who traditionally filled them are being replaced by Asian part time workers. There is now a second language requirement for employment which will make sure that few to no African-Americans are ever hired again.

    I’ve noticed at my company that the interest in black and Hispanic minorities for salaried positions has been pretty much reduced to zero, even in HR, now with the availability of an endless stream of totally compliant south Asians to win management’s diversity Pokémon points.

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    You'd be right about the totally compliant!
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  232. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    If you'd like to see blacks working construction, you need to come back east.

    The black share of the occupations listed is as follows:

    Brickmasons: 6.4%
    Carpenters: 5.4%
    Cement masons: 10.5%
    Drywall installers: 6.7%
    Electricians: 5.9%
    Foremen: 5.5%
    HVAC techs: 7%
    Heavy Equipment operators: 8.7%
    Helpers: 9.2%
    Painters: 5.7%

    If you’d like to see blacks working construction, you need to come back east.

    The black share of the occupations listed is as follows:

    Brickmasons: 6.4%
    Carpenters: 5.4%
    Cement masons: 10.5%
    Drywall installers: 6.7%
    Electricians: 5.9%
    Foremen: 5.5%
    HVAC techs: 7%
    Heavy Equipment operators: 8.7%
    Helpers: 9.2%
    Painters: 5.7%

    Irrelevant, since you provide no credible citations, old sport.

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    All data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Just deal, lout.
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  233. To the oppressive motherfuckers who for no rational reason whatsoever blocked my last few factual and innocuous postings :

    You are a deranged cretins and your Forum is a dispicable, hypocritical farce.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  234. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco
    I think even Nifong sort of believed her at the beginning and by the time he realized that it was all a crock, he was in over his head and couldn’t think of a way to gracefully back out without destroying his career.

    Contrary to procedure, the police officers assigned to the case were told to report not to their superiors but to Nifong, who, in effect, ran the investigation from that point. Nifong and the senior investigator (Sgt. Gottlieb) were told three weeks later than supersentive DNA testing had identified the traces of at least 4 men in Crystal Gail Mangum in her various orifices, none of them on the lax team. They knew at that point that the case was a hoax. They hadn't sought any indictments at the time.

    Nifong did not care about his career per se. He was the acting district attorney who had been appointed (on the recommendation of his predecessor) with the understanding that he would not run for the office. His first act on taking office was to fire a rival, who then announced her candidacy for DA. She was the favorite and it would have been payback time when she took office. So, he elected to run for the office, not because he cared about it, but because he needed a few more years to top off his pension. He was quite explicit about his purposes to the woman he hired to run his campaign.

    While we're at it, multiperpetrator rape of black women by white men is so unusual that it cannot be tracked accurately with ordinary survey research. It's a reasonable wager that the Durham DA's office had never prosecuted a case during Nifong's employment there, or had only prosecuted a low-single-digit quantum of cases. It likely smelled from the get-go to an experienced prosecutor.

    Read Bonfire for the appeal of the Great White Defendant to prosecutors. He must have found it irresistible.

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    Nifong was unusual inansmuch as he was a lapsed social worker. Law was a 2d career to him, and his entire time at the bar was spent in the local prosecutor's office. It's doubtful he cared about Great White Defendants for ideological or for the sort of careerist reasons the television obsessed Bronx DA in Bonfire of the Vanities maintained. He had one discernible object: keep his job for 3 more years and get that pension at the max; if he had not out of spite insisted on firing Freda Black the day after being sworn in, he might have accomplished that with out much muss or fuss. What's disconcerting about the whole case is that Nifong did not have a reputation as anything but a wheelhorse in the local legal community.
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  235. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Diversity Heretic

    I have NEVER read or hear anyone make such a comment.
     
    Your education has been sadly neglected. There's a reason the phrase "Colored People's Time" exists.

    Your education has been sadly neglected. There’s a reason the phrase “Colored People’s Time” exists.

    This stereotype only works for American blacks and a quit a few white Americans (me, for instance). I’ve worked with some Haitians and West Africans who you definitely could not apply CPT or the laziness stereotype to.

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  236. @Trelane
    Sarcasm Joe, it was sarcasm.

    Tre, sorry. I missed it because it was nicely done. And anyhow, TD is tenured.

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  237. @PennTothal
    There was a very odd documentary about this serial killer on the "VICE TV" network.

    The narrative of the documentary tried to lay the blame for the delay in solving the murders on "racist whites" in the Cleveland police department. The narrative was forced and illogical.

    In fact, one main source of the delay in solving the crimes was documented in the story : racist neighborhood blacks mis-attributed the worsening stench (which was actually from the dead bodies in the black guy's floor-boards) instead to the "smelly Arab" who owned the local market.

    https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/39the-cleveland-strangler39-the-story-of-a-brutal-serial-killer-and-his-forgotten-victims/5627aef60318acf87853d72e

    Penn, I remember that the nearby sausage company had an industrial cleaning company in to clean their drains and sewer lines, the smell was that bad. yes, the narrative was that no one cared because they were black women, but true is, no one cared.

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  238. @Art Deco
    Seems like a good explanation for the behavior of the Martin parents here.

    Ehrenreich purported to be explaining the mundane conduct of a certain bourgeois type, mostly people like herself. It's doubtful she ever had much insight into people like that, much less average people like the Martin-Fulton-Stanley-Greene crew, much less still ordinary people in peculiar situations beset by hucksters like Crump / Julison and Corey / de la Rionda, not to mention assorted rabble.

    Somewhat off topic, one thing you notice about contentious homicide cases (not those resolved through plea bargains) is that family members are commonly partisans of the prosecutors no matter how dubious his case is. Take as one example the case delineated by John Grisham in The Innocent Man. The defendants in that case were an improbable pair to begin with (a chronically unemployed local drunk and a middle school science teacher, both past 30; one had no criminal history while the other had a mess of citations for disorderly conduct at the life but not much more). The mother of the victim (estranged from the victim's father) was quietly perturbed by the trials and never quite persuaded that law enforcement had found the perpetrators; however, there were paternal-side relatives who fancied law enforcement had the right pair even after DNA testing had identified a different perpetrator.

    You had the special prosecutor, the trial prosecutor, one of the three judges assigned to the case, and at least one detective employed by the Sanford (Fla) Police telling Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin that their son was a crime victim; you had gobs of loser journalists willing to turn George Zimmerman into a depersonalized object of hate with the most transparent rhetorical games and falsehoods. It would have been quite extraordinary had Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin simply ignored them, mourned on their own time, and told the world to go away and leave them alone. Some people will do that in that sort of situation, but the smart money does not bet that way.

    Ehrenreich purported to be explaining the mundane conduct of a certain bourgeois type, mostly people like herself.

    Yes, and more or less our entire society has been on a multi-generational crusade to transform people like Martin’s parents into that type.

    Perhaps you’ve noticed.

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    Martin's parents and their various intimates occupied a social zone which straddles the boundary between the middle and working class. That's not a class of people in which the academy or the bar or today's Democratic pols take much interest unless they belong to certain trade unions or occupational associations. Other than Sybrina Fulton and her older son, there's not much reason to suspect any of them had received any mulligans from the patronage brokers you see in those three venues (or in corporate HR). The positions they held in this world were unremarkable and not a function of any crusades launched in 1966.

    And, no, Barbara Ehrenreich does not care about such people. They're not like her, they don't need her, and unlike the low-skill service employees she discussed in Nickeled and Dimed, she can hardly maintain a pretense that they benefit from her ministrations.
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  239. Corvinus says:
    @res

    sociological data (e.g. test scores, incarceration rates) demonstrating clearly the discrepancies.
     
    LOL. Because surely those differences were caused by the schools. If you believe that I have a great bridge for sale (completed in 1883, so barely used).

    Regarding the post at hand, it is the acumen of the teacher, not their race or ethnicity, that most matters in school.
     

    Better watch out. You might be watsoned if you keep saying things like that. The SJWs aren't as forgiving as the iSteve commenters.

    “LOL. Because surely those differences were caused by the schools.”

    The disparate funding of schools, combined with less experienced staff found at black schools compared to white schools, assuredly was a major factor in the widening gap between blacks and whites when it came to educational opportunities and achievement.

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    Wrong, Tonto. A federal judge ordered the Kansas City school district to spend a billion dollars in the mid-80s to solve racial disparities and nothing happened.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Public_Schools#State_accreditation
    , @Art Deco
    See James Coleman's work. Once funding reaches a certain threshold, funding disparities are a weak vector. See also a federal judge's misbegotten effort to run the school systems of greater Kansas City per his preferences rather than the grubby preferences of local residents and elected officials. Net effect of his high-handed cack-handed work difficult to discern w/o the aid of an electron microscope.
    , @anonymous

    The disparate funding of schools, combined with less experienced staff found at black schools compared to white schools, assuredly was a major factor in the widening gap between blacks and whites when it came to educational opportunities and achievement.
     
    Right, because the teacher's whom the students spend almost an hour per class period, have exponentially more influence on a black student than the students family, friends, and neighbors...

    The problem, Corvinus, is black folks collectively tend to let each other down. With no consistent collective adherence to the principals of modern civilization, ain't no math teacher gwinna help.

    Ya'll can be good at maffs, buy ya'll still gots to come home when ya'll ain't in school wif yo' hired "black whisperer." They be shit gwin on outside, cuz! Ain't gots no time to study an' shit!

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cbd_1492471721
    , @Jack D
    This SOUNDS like it should be right (in a mainstream hack sort of way) but it bears no relation to actual reality. Generally speaking the Gap neither widens nor narrows no matter what you do or don't do in the schools because the things that cause the Gap are a combination of genetics (completely unfixable unless we are willing to bring back eugenics which as everyone knows is akin to Nazism) and home environment (black children are rarely raised in intact 2 parent families). Each of these is maybe 1/2 the problem so it's darn near impossible to completely eliminate the Gap. "Fixing" the schools appears to do little or nothing.

    You might be able to get away with spouting this kind of BS and having it believed in some mainstream leftist forum but you really picked the wrong place to think that you could mouth these kind of meaningless platitudes (AKA lies) and get away with it.

    , @Brutusale
    Boston Public Schools spending per pupil: $18,372.
    #1 ranked Lexington Public Schools spending per pupil: $17,867.

    http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/state_report/ppx.aspx
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  240. @Corvinus
    "LOL. Because surely those differences were caused by the schools."

    The disparate funding of schools, combined with less experienced staff found at black schools compared to white schools, assuredly was a major factor in the widening gap between blacks and whites when it came to educational opportunities and achievement.

    Wrong, Tonto. A federal judge ordered the Kansas City school district to spend a billion dollars in the mid-80s to solve racial disparities and nothing happened.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Public_Schools#State_accreditation

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    Refer to my comment directed toward Jack D, as should Art Deco and anonymous. Next time, pay closer attention.
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  241. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    Read Bonfire for the appeal of the Great White Defendant to prosecutors. He must have found it irresistible.

    Nifong was unusual inansmuch as he was a lapsed social worker. Law was a 2d career to him, and his entire time at the bar was spent in the local prosecutor’s office. It’s doubtful he cared about Great White Defendants for ideological or for the sort of careerist reasons the television obsessed Bronx DA in Bonfire of the Vanities maintained. He had one discernible object: keep his job for 3 more years and get that pension at the max; if he had not out of spite insisted on firing Freda Black the day after being sworn in, he might have accomplished that with out much muss or fuss. What’s disconcerting about the whole case is that Nifong did not have a reputation as anything but a wheelhorse in the local legal community.

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  242. Art Deco says:
    @Corvinus
    "LOL. Because surely those differences were caused by the schools."

    The disparate funding of schools, combined with less experienced staff found at black schools compared to white schools, assuredly was a major factor in the widening gap between blacks and whites when it came to educational opportunities and achievement.

    See James Coleman’s work. Once funding reaches a certain threshold, funding disparities are a weak vector. See also a federal judge’s misbegotten effort to run the school systems of greater Kansas City per his preferences rather than the grubby preferences of local residents and elected officials. Net effect of his high-handed cack-handed work difficult to discern w/o the aid of an electron microscope.

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  243. Marty says:
    @Michelle
    "Any" employed African-American? Most, maybe, but my experience has been and is different. My department has only one Black worker left and she is, regularly, 20 minutes to 1/2 hour late to work every single day. Despite the fact that she lives across the street from her place of work. When she gets to work she immediately gets on the phone with her various "Foster" sisters or tells me that she is going to McDonald's or the Post Office to check her P.O. box. Most of her day is spent watching TV shows and playing slots on her computer.

    Her former workmate, also Black, used to regularly call in the morning to tell us to tell her supervisor that she would be late, this happened around 3 times a week. She would often call again at noon to then tell us that she wasn't coming after all, and tell us to tell her supervisor to put it down as "Vacation", because she was out of sick leave. When she did make it to work she spent all day complaining and refusing to do this or that and she played slots about 80% of her time. She was all paranoid and telling us that her supervisor was trying to get rid of her, while we all felt that her supervisor let her get away with murder! We could only scrape together 59 bucks for her retirement gift, her supervisors made up the difference for a $100 Target card. Of course, she threw a hissy fit anyway, saying she deserved a lot more. We were glad to see the back of her!

    These two full time clerical positions are being phased out and Black full time workers who traditionally filled them are being replaced by Asian part time workers. There is now a second language requirement for employment which will make sure that few to no African-Americans are ever hired again.

    Fun story. I had a persian friend, an electrical engineer at Lucent. Asked if they had any black engineers. Said there was one, regularly came in at 10 and left at 4. Said he used to brag about how strong he was. Persian guy, ex-Iran Air Force, said he picked him up and dumped him on his head.

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    Persians are good wrestlers!
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  244. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius

    Ehrenreich purported to be explaining the mundane conduct of a certain bourgeois type, mostly people like herself.
     
    Yes, and more or less our entire society has been on a multi-generational crusade to transform people like Martin's parents into that type.

    Perhaps you've noticed.

    Martin’s parents and their various intimates occupied a social zone which straddles the boundary between the middle and working class. That’s not a class of people in which the academy or the bar or today’s Democratic pols take much interest unless they belong to certain trade unions or occupational associations. Other than Sybrina Fulton and her older son, there’s not much reason to suspect any of them had received any mulligans from the patronage brokers you see in those three venues (or in corporate HR). The positions they held in this world were unremarkable and not a function of any crusades launched in 1966.

    And, no, Barbara Ehrenreich does not care about such people. They’re not like her, they don’t need her, and unlike the low-skill service employees she discussed in Nickeled and Dimed, she can hardly maintain a pretense that they benefit from her ministrations.

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    (a) we can agree to disagree. Whether the care is real or feigned - usually it's some of both - it is toward exactly such as the Martins that that care is directed. I know of what I speak as I live among such carers.

    (b) fear of falling (from the middle class) is a pretty plausible explanation for why they would be blind to the reality of Trayvon's character (in addition to your own savvy take). Again, you see it all the time in the lower-UMC milieu in which I live, among both white and black.

    Teachout's new intro to Making It is interesting on that score:

    http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/04/15/the-intellectuals-bargain-norman-podhoretz/

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  245. Ragno says:

    Apropos of nothing, can we start calling Carlos Slim Ponch Sulzberger? It would help establish a line of unbroken continuity – from Duranty to Dolezal and all points between.

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  246. @Art Deco
    If you'd like to see blacks working construction, you need to come back east.

    The black share of the occupations listed is as follows:

    Brickmasons: 6.4%
    Carpenters: 5.4%
    Cement masons: 10.5%
    Drywall installers: 6.7%
    Electricians: 5.9%
    Foremen: 5.5%
    HVAC techs: 7%
    Heavy Equipment operators: 8.7%
    Helpers: 9.2%
    Painters: 5.7%

    Okay Art. You’ve got plenty of stats to quote. But Anonymous was telling you what he’s seen and experienced.

    We’ve hired quite a few construction types over the years and there’s been a few blacks, always competent. But the number of Mexicans and other hispanics? By far the majority. The “white hispanics” tend to be in charge and all the guys working are short, strong, and brown.

    Maybe all the black tradesmen are in the south so they drive up the numbers nationwide, but here in CA they’re pretty invisible. If you’re in a trade, you’re white or Latin. No Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Indian. Hardly any blacks.

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    But Anonymous was telling you what he’s seen and experienced.

    Nobody knows if you're a pig on the internet. Anonymous presents himself as he wishes to be perceived, is at least as vulnerable as anyone to noticing only that which is not obscured by whatever template he cares to use, and lives in his own matrix, not in anyone else's matrix. In the world in which we actually live, a certain share of those in the building trades are black, precise shares quoted. 'Anonymous' would prefer not to acknowledge that, as he makes clear above.
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  247. grapesoda says:
    @John Lindsay
    "It’s good for poor black children, especially black boys, to see that some blacks grow up to have respectable jobs where they show up to work on time."

    I have NEVER read or hear anyone make such a comment.

    Incredibly racist and stupid; but that would be redundant, since racists are stupid.

    Any employed African American has a job where he/she has to arrive to work on time.
    This is a Sailerism.

    People who shove their head up their ass and ignore reality are stupid.

    Besides, the word “racist” means whatever you want it to mean, and the definition keeps changing. You probably think anyone who says the word “black” is automatically racist.

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  248. @Art Deco
    Martin's parents and their various intimates occupied a social zone which straddles the boundary between the middle and working class. That's not a class of people in which the academy or the bar or today's Democratic pols take much interest unless they belong to certain trade unions or occupational associations. Other than Sybrina Fulton and her older son, there's not much reason to suspect any of them had received any mulligans from the patronage brokers you see in those three venues (or in corporate HR). The positions they held in this world were unremarkable and not a function of any crusades launched in 1966.

    And, no, Barbara Ehrenreich does not care about such people. They're not like her, they don't need her, and unlike the low-skill service employees she discussed in Nickeled and Dimed, she can hardly maintain a pretense that they benefit from her ministrations.

    (a) we can agree to disagree. Whether the care is real or feigned – usually it’s some of both – it is toward exactly such as the Martins that that care is directed. I know of what I speak as I live among such carers.

    (b) fear of falling (from the middle class) is a pretty plausible explanation for why they would be blind to the reality of Trayvon’s character (in addition to your own savvy take). Again, you see it all the time in the lower-UMC milieu in which I live, among both white and black.

    Teachout’s new intro to Making It is interesting on that score:

    http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/04/15/the-intellectuals-bargain-norman-podhoretz/

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    (b) fear of falling (from the middle class) is a pretty plausible explanation for why they would be blind to the reality of Trayvon’s character (in addition to your own savvy take). Again, you see it all the time in the lower-UMC milieu in which I live, among both white and black.

    They weren't blind to anything. Trayvon Martin was in Orlando because he'd had a fight with his mother and she'd loaded him on a bus in Miami and told his father where to pick him up. When Tracy Martin realized his son was missing, the first thing he did was make inquiries of local law enforcement regarding anyone who might be in the juvenile lock up. They knew perfectly well their son was a disciplinary problem.
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  249. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "LOL. Because surely those differences were caused by the schools."

    The disparate funding of schools, combined with less experienced staff found at black schools compared to white schools, assuredly was a major factor in the widening gap between blacks and whites when it came to educational opportunities and achievement.

    The disparate funding of schools, combined with less experienced staff found at black schools compared to white schools, assuredly was a major factor in the widening gap between blacks and whites when it came to educational opportunities and achievement.

    Right, because the teacher’s whom the students spend almost an hour per class period, have exponentially more influence on a black student than the students family, friends, and neighbors…

    The problem, Corvinus, is black folks collectively tend to let each other down. With no consistent collective adherence to the principals of modern civilization, ain’t no math teacher gwinna help.

    Ya’ll can be good at maffs, buy ya’ll still gots to come home when ya’ll ain’t in school wif yo’ hired “black whisperer.” They be shit gwin on outside, cuz! Ain’t gots no time to study an’ shit!

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cbd_1492471721

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    The problem, Corvinus, is black folks collectively tend to let each other down. With no consistent collective adherence to the principals of modern civilization, ain’t no math teacher gwinna help.

    You're trying to do what, convince people your thought process defaults to silly caricatures?
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  250. Jack D says:
    @Corvinus
    "LOL. Because surely those differences were caused by the schools."

    The disparate funding of schools, combined with less experienced staff found at black schools compared to white schools, assuredly was a major factor in the widening gap between blacks and whites when it came to educational opportunities and achievement.

    This SOUNDS like it should be right (in a mainstream hack sort of way) but it bears no relation to actual reality. Generally speaking the Gap neither widens nor narrows no matter what you do or don’t do in the schools because the things that cause the Gap are a combination of genetics (completely unfixable unless we are willing to bring back eugenics which as everyone knows is akin to Nazism) and home environment (black children are rarely raised in intact 2 parent families). Each of these is maybe 1/2 the problem so it’s darn near impossible to completely eliminate the Gap. “Fixing” the schools appears to do little or nothing.

    You might be able to get away with spouting this kind of BS and having it believed in some mainstream leftist forum but you really picked the wrong place to think that you could mouth these kind of meaningless platitudes (AKA lies) and get away with it.

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    "This SOUNDS like it should be right..."

    It IS right. You do realize the context of the conversation stemmed when Bubba commented how he hoped Brown v. Board would "go up in flames", right? I correctly noted that southrons failed to adhere to the Plessy ruling calling for "separate but equal" treatment. White and black school children clearly had a gap in their educational experiences.

    "Generally speaking the Gap neither widens nor narrows no matter what you do or don’t do in the schools because the things that cause the Gap are a combination of genetics (completely unfixable unless we are willing to bring back eugenics which as everyone knows is akin to Nazism) and home environment (black children are rarely raised in intact 2 parent families)."

    I'm not referring to today's situation. Pay attention. During Reconstruction, southern states created tax supported schools for whites and blacks. Millions of former slaves, who were illiterate because the South during slavery made it illegal to be taught how to read and write, were now given an opportunity to improve their lot in life. Southrons, however, were not about to give their hard earned money to enable their former chattel to move upward in society and challenge their status. Between 1896 and 1954, the gap between white and black education dramatically widened. The lawyers in the Brown case thus brought in sociological data to clearly demonstrate to the Justices how southern white and black schools were other than equal. All southrons had to do was abide by the ruling in the Plessy case. They messed up royally.

    Do you believe that without the Brown case that southrons would have bridged that gap financially on their own accord?

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  251. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    If you’d like to see blacks working construction, you need to come back east.

    The black share of the occupations listed is as follows:

    Brickmasons: 6.4%
    Carpenters: 5.4%
    Cement masons: 10.5%
    Drywall installers: 6.7%
    Electricians: 5.9%
    Foremen: 5.5%
    HVAC techs: 7%
    Heavy Equipment operators: 8.7%
    Helpers: 9.2%
    Painters: 5.7%
     
    Irrelevant, since you provide no credible citations, old sport.

    All data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Just deal, lout.

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  252. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius
    (a) we can agree to disagree. Whether the care is real or feigned - usually it's some of both - it is toward exactly such as the Martins that that care is directed. I know of what I speak as I live among such carers.

    (b) fear of falling (from the middle class) is a pretty plausible explanation for why they would be blind to the reality of Trayvon's character (in addition to your own savvy take). Again, you see it all the time in the lower-UMC milieu in which I live, among both white and black.

    Teachout's new intro to Making It is interesting on that score:

    http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/04/15/the-intellectuals-bargain-norman-podhoretz/

    (b) fear of falling (from the middle class) is a pretty plausible explanation for why they would be blind to the reality of Trayvon’s character (in addition to your own savvy take). Again, you see it all the time in the lower-UMC milieu in which I live, among both white and black.

    They weren’t blind to anything. Trayvon Martin was in Orlando because he’d had a fight with his mother and she’d loaded him on a bus in Miami and told his father where to pick him up. When Tracy Martin realized his son was missing, the first thing he did was make inquiries of local law enforcement regarding anyone who might be in the juvenile lock up. They knew perfectly well their son was a disciplinary problem.

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  253. Art Deco says:
    @Formerly CARealist
    Okay Art. You've got plenty of stats to quote. But Anonymous was telling you what he's seen and experienced.

    We've hired quite a few construction types over the years and there's been a few blacks, always competent. But the number of Mexicans and other hispanics? By far the majority. The "white hispanics" tend to be in charge and all the guys working are short, strong, and brown.

    Maybe all the black tradesmen are in the south so they drive up the numbers nationwide, but here in CA they're pretty invisible. If you're in a trade, you're white or Latin. No Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Indian. Hardly any blacks.

    But Anonymous was telling you what he’s seen and experienced.

    Nobody knows if you’re a pig on the internet. Anonymous presents himself as he wishes to be perceived, is at least as vulnerable as anyone to noticing only that which is not obscured by whatever template he cares to use, and lives in his own matrix, not in anyone else’s matrix. In the world in which we actually live, a certain share of those in the building trades are black, precise shares quoted. ‘Anonymous’ would prefer not to acknowledge that, as he makes clear above.

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  254. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous

    The disparate funding of schools, combined with less experienced staff found at black schools compared to white schools, assuredly was a major factor in the widening gap between blacks and whites when it came to educational opportunities and achievement.
     
    Right, because the teacher's whom the students spend almost an hour per class period, have exponentially more influence on a black student than the students family, friends, and neighbors...

    The problem, Corvinus, is black folks collectively tend to let each other down. With no consistent collective adherence to the principals of modern civilization, ain't no math teacher gwinna help.

    Ya'll can be good at maffs, buy ya'll still gots to come home when ya'll ain't in school wif yo' hired "black whisperer." They be shit gwin on outside, cuz! Ain't gots no time to study an' shit!

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cbd_1492471721

    The problem, Corvinus, is black folks collectively tend to let each other down. With no consistent collective adherence to the principals of modern civilization, ain’t no math teacher gwinna help.

    You’re trying to do what, convince people your thought process defaults to silly caricatures?

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    You’re trying to do what, convince people your thought process defaults to silly caricatures?
     
    Your constant faulty premise of the pure subsaharan African American as a peer to white western Europeans is about as silly as a caricature can get, and you've yet to convince anyone.
    We used to call what you believe in, African American sub saharan blacks trying to be comparable to white western Europeans, a "minstrel show," and gave them all the consideration that was due to that form of low entertainment.
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  255. @karcer
    This opinion is trash. I don't even think you read the article. Love how you cherry picked. The writer doesn't knock all white teachers-- or even say Black kids should have only Black teachers. You need to check your fragile (and yes, extremely racist) white ego if you think it's a terrible idea for a Black kid to have "even one" Black teacher at some point in k-12. (And this, from a white lady). P.S. It's not a bad thing for white kids either-- but bet you'd raise holy hell if your precious little white children were facing en education delivered mostly by people of color.

    Educated white ladies know that it’s “an education” and not “en education” … then again, you never claimed you were educated.

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  256. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    The reality is that white people of European origin have flaws but they are my people.

    We displaced the aboriginal inhabitants of North America, killing them when necessary. Aboriginal Americans did the same thing to each other and tried to do it to Europeans. We were better at it.

    The nature of Negro intellect and comportment, and the dysfunction of Negro communities meant that quick retributive violence was often the best solution to a crime. Sometimes it had to be employed in the white community as well. Like any human institution, it wasn't right 100% of the time, but Judge Lynch wasn't always wrong.

    “The reality is that white people of European origin have flaws but they are my people.”

    White Americans generally do not refer to their fellow white Americans as my “European brethren” or “Anglos”. However, Americans for the most part refer to their fellow Americans regardless of their race or ethnicity as “my people”. Regarding Europeans who have “flaws”, that is an anti-white statement. Europeans are PERFECT.

    “We displaced the aboriginal inhabitants of North America, killing them when necessary. Aboriginal Americans did the same thing to each other and tried to do it to Europeans. We were better at it.”

    Invade the world, invite the world. Karma is a mother.

    “The nature of Negro intellect and comportment, and the dysfunction of Negro communities meant that quick retributive violence was often the best solution to a crime.”

    Assuming that the blacks were guilty of said crime. Would that not be up to local law enforcement under our Constitution?

    What about those white men or women who, of their own volition, wanted to marry or procreate with non-whites? Was that “quick retributive violence” called for in light of their exercising freedom of association?

    “Sometimes it had to be employed in the white community as well. Like any human institution, it wasn’t right 100% of the time, but Judge Lynch wasn’t always wrong.”

    Judge Lynch was assuredly wrong in these cases.

    C.J. Miller, who we now know was falsely accused of murdering two white sisters, was “dragged through the streets to a crude platform of old barrel staves and other kindling…[hung from a telephone pole] with the body was repeatedly raised and lowered while the crowd peppered it with small-arms fire,” writes historian Philip Dray.

    Also from Dray…killed for protesting her husband’s murder, Mary Turner “was stripped, hung upside down by the ankles, soaked with gasoline, and roasted to death. In the midst of this torment, a white man opened her swollen belly with a hunting knife and her infant fell to the ground, gave a cry, and was stomped to death.”

    You give white people a bad name with your ignorance.

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    This happened just yesterday. No, wait, it happened 100 years ago. Yesterday was when a black guy killed another black guy and posted the murder on Faceboot.
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  257. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous

    Or it could be that blacks (like regular whites) struggle in environments with relatively little structure/authority but do better where the dominance dynamics are more clear cut.
     
    How many black construction crews, or crews with a black overseer have you ever seen? In California, I hire crews fairly often, and I've never seen a black construction worker, much less a crew or company. Look into the corporate sector. Blacks are highly underrepresented, and many can't make it above lower management. How many successful black mechanics have you seen? How about black run businesses worth a damn? A small grocery store doesn't require high analytic skills. You don't see blacks in common jobs, or particularly corporate jobs where performance is a requirement. Look to Zimbabwe for the perfect petri dish to test out your apparent theory that blacks can do what white people do. HINT: since they replaced white farmer's, they're starving.

    In government jobs, short of punching your manager in the face, the chances of getting fired for shitty performance is close to non-existent. I would say one field low-performance blacks can slip into is as care givers in the private sector, because those companies are desperate for workers. That doesn't mean they're great care-givers, and that doesn't mean they aren't underrepresented there also.

    Generally speaking, without a white patriarchal figure, too many black folks just can't deal with making consistent contributions to modern civilization. They need a crutch. Government jobs are the nod pitying whites give to american blacks. Without that protection, black unemployment would be through the roof.

    Government jobs are the nod pitying whites give to american blacks. Without that protection, black unemployment would be through the roof.

    Courtesy the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

    11.9% of the work force is black.

    The black shares in sectors wherein the provider is commonly (or exclusively) a public agency or public enterprise are as follows:

    public administration: 16.7% black
    educational services: 11.1%
    bus and urban transit: 30.4%
    postal services: 22.1%
    utilities: 10.9%
    ‘social assistance’: 19.6%

    About 18% of the total workforce is employed in one of these sectors (or subsectors), or about 26.million people. Blacks constitute 14% of these workforces taken together.

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  258. anonguy says:

    I’ve always thought that mandatory public education is a first order human rights violation, kidnapping and imprisoning people for 12 years.

    So a pox on all the “teachers”, whose first job really is prison guards.

    What do you get in more trouble for in school, not learning something or breaking a rule.

    Answer to that speaks volumes about the institution.

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  259. J1234 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    You jerks can make flippant comments all you want but the demographic cannot be stopped.

    It would behoove whites to act a little more decently so as to avoid any unpleasantness in the future.

    If justice is not served we might have to have a tragic but necessary Haitian solution

    I presume you’re contributing from somewhere in central Africa, where all those dark skinned people are making your life just wonderful. Wish I could be there with you!

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  260. @ben tillman

    ….and now you know why George Zimmerman was described as “white”.
     
    Initially, he was described as white because that's how the police report described him.

    Please, do not worry for him, in the case of any government program that targets Hispanics, he will be properly recognized as such.

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  261. Jack D says:
    @Corvinus
    "The reality is that white people of European origin have flaws but they are my people."

    White Americans generally do not refer to their fellow white Americans as my "European brethren" or "Anglos". However, Americans for the most part refer to their fellow Americans regardless of their race or ethnicity as "my people". Regarding Europeans who have "flaws", that is an anti-white statement. Europeans are PERFECT.

    "We displaced the aboriginal inhabitants of North America, killing them when necessary. Aboriginal Americans did the same thing to each other and tried to do it to Europeans. We were better at it."

    Invade the world, invite the world. Karma is a mother.

    "The nature of Negro intellect and comportment, and the dysfunction of Negro communities meant that quick retributive violence was often the best solution to a crime."

    Assuming that the blacks were guilty of said crime. Would that not be up to local law enforcement under our Constitution?

    What about those white men or women who, of their own volition, wanted to marry or procreate with non-whites? Was that "quick retributive violence" called for in light of their exercising freedom of association?

    "Sometimes it had to be employed in the white community as well. Like any human institution, it wasn’t right 100% of the time, but Judge Lynch wasn’t always wrong."

    Judge Lynch was assuredly wrong in these cases.

    C.J. Miller, who we now know was falsely accused of murdering two white sisters, was “dragged through the streets to a crude platform of old barrel staves and other kindling...[hung from a telephone pole] with the body was repeatedly raised and lowered while the crowd peppered it with small-arms fire,” writes historian Philip Dray.

    Also from Dray...killed for protesting her husband's murder, Mary Turner "was stripped, hung upside down by the ankles, soaked with gasoline, and roasted to death. In the midst of this torment, a white man opened her swollen belly with a hunting knife and her infant fell to the ground, gave a cry, and was stomped to death.”

    You give white people a bad name with your ignorance.

    This happened just yesterday. No, wait, it happened 100 years ago. Yesterday was when a black guy killed another black guy and posted the murder on Faceboot.

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  262. Michelle says:
    @Marty
    Fun story. I had a persian friend, an electrical engineer at Lucent. Asked if they had any black engineers. Said there was one, regularly came in at 10 and left at 4. Said he used to brag about how strong he was. Persian guy, ex-Iran Air Force, said he picked him up and dumped him on his head.

    Persians are good wrestlers!

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  263. Michelle says:
    @Bleuteaux
    I've noticed at my company that the interest in black and Hispanic minorities for salaried positions has been pretty much reduced to zero, even in HR, now with the availability of an endless stream of totally compliant south Asians to win management's diversity Pokémon points.

    You’d be right about the totally compliant!

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  264. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I was particularly gratified to see you mentioning Amy Chua.
     
    You might enjoy this recent discussion I had with Twinkie (starting at #96).

    Oddly, the above isn’t in my comment history. Testing, testing…

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    Hello, hello...
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  265. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Oddly, the above isn’t in my comment history. Testing, testing…

    Hello, hello…

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  266. @Tiny Duck
    You jerks can make flippant comments all you want but the demographic cannot be stopped.

    It would behoove whites to act a little more decently so as to avoid any unpleasantness in the future.

    If justice is not served we might have to have a tragic but necessary Haitian solution

    Who knew TD went to Wellesley? (Compare “the demographic cannot be stopped,” “[i]t would behoove whites…so as to avoid any unpleasantness…” and “[i]f justice is not served” with “The emotional labor required to educate people is immense and is additional weight that is put on those who are already forced to defend their human rights” and, of course, the ever-popular “hostility may be warranted.”)

    I was going to ask which bathroom you used, but I don’t want to put additional weight on you to expend emotional labor on this topic.

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  267. Lagertha says:
    @anon
    Finn's on a per capita basis have to have the best spatial-cognitive brainpower going. How else do they mint so many world class racing drivers?

    Keke Rosberg was a personal favorite. And, my visuo-spatial IQ is 200+, btw, – sometimes, I just need to brag…however, no car racing.

    I have often thought about writing about how Finns (farmers, all) became so crazy about car racing in the 60′s. Formula 1 racers literally, came off of farms.

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  268. Lagertha says:
    @Anonymous

    But, Finns are still considered the dim-wits of The North!
     
    I never knew there was such a thing as a anti-Finnish joke-- or Scandinavian humor--until I dated a Swedish girl*. Don't get offended, it's only a joke. And this joke only works spoken. "What's closest to a fish's ass? A Finn."

    So glad I never married her. Such a cold, boring personality. Boring Lutheran religion (while the crazy kraut Luther was interesting-- "commit murder and adultery a thousand times a day to prove you believe in sola fide").

    hahaa! Swedes are always condescending to Finns – its a thing. However, today, they are not laughing as much at Finns. They did bus refugees to the Lappish Western border for 2 years….until the Finnish Army said., “no more.” Swedes and Finns don’t like each other, big league.

    I am a “half-breed”: half Finn & half Swedish-Finn, so weirdly, I am a minority (haha) and can just punk both sides. However, Finns are much more “true.” True blood, guts, freedom-oriented, self-deprecating, self-aware, self-reliant, curious and suspicious of everything…and sadly but lovingly, more morose.

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  269. Lagertha says:
    @Autochthon
    Your observations highlight a critical matter needing far more attention. Europeans (and those of us in the diaspora) must learn to differentiate (and implement the learning!) between morality, honesty, etc. vis-a-vis honourable, deserving people who will reciprocate the behaviour and who themselves are inclined to support and assist the European (or, at the very least, treat him impartially and fairly) and moral, honest, and otherwise honourable and altruistic behaviour toward the cooly disinterested and, especially, the hostile.

    The universities you cite are now evil institutions. Affiliation with them is nevertheless potentially valuable due to crazed credentialism and their perhaps yet decent instruction in matters purely material (for instance, medicine or electronics) – provided one can steel oneself from the abuse and disinformation accompanying it.

    That value conceded, your sons' dissembling on applications to these evil institutions is no more an act of moral turpitude than are the acts of a spy or a downed aviator during wartime who seeks to remain undetected via disguises and ruses.

    Don't think for one moment the spawn of the Obamas, Amy Chua, and Geraldo Rivera, and Satya Nadella heaitate for an instant about declaring their oppression and status as so-called minorities in similar situations, their consciences restraining them with admonitions that they are inconceivably privileged and therefore ought not to seek still more unearned benefits at the expense of bright white children living in desperate in abject poverty in Wheeling or Cheyenne. Remember well that scheming little Mohammedan bastard Steve profiled a week or two ago and his incessant mewling about how rough it was being a fabulously wealthy and connected Muslim. That is the representative attitude. It's all a zero-sum game to everyone except whites, and they are all playing for keeps.

    This incorrigible compulsion to adhere to Queensberry'd rules (which now already require a white person to enter the fray with one hand forcibly tied behind his back) presumably arises from an ingrained notion of unconquerable superiority and even a touch of pity and paternalistic noblesse oblige toward other races, held over from an era with circumstances long since changed.

    It's one thing to let a small child win at checkers or arm-wrestling because you are a good sport uninterested in humiliating children; it is quite another matter entirely to, many years later, perpetuate the same lazily indulgent attitude to that that child, now grown and having developed a pathological, scheming hatred in his heart for you. You cannot go on signing contracts he presents to you without reading them, or pulling your punches should he assault you in the streets.

    You seem like a very loving mother. I implore you to teach your children this important lesson.

    I think you misunderstood me. My sons are extremely aware of the bullshit of college admissions. If the current USA was actually, interested in meritocratic university admissions, my sons, and their friends from HS days, would have been slam-dunks at: MIT, Stanford, Ivies, etc. Caltech seems to be the last meritocratic institution – they accept 800 (250 enroll) men a year???, so, not good – grad school is what Caltech is for.

    No, my sons will fight for their turf as time goes on. They are gifted and talented. What you may not understand from my post: my sons know the whole “admissions race” is bullshit (along with Asian students): The smartest kids are not getting accepted at elite U’s bc of socialism…social engineering.

    Now, my mother, an English teacher, said: “sooner or later, the fruits of the Elite U’s in 20 years will be incredibly lackluster….bc, they accepted many legacies – 40% (extremely rich, average IQ kids), athletes (25% – who are so-so students), 10% Pell Grant kids(talent +/-?), and only a measly, 20% of the top 5% academically – the valedictorians, gifted kids.” So, according to her: the State U’s, 2nd – 3rd tier U’s are getting more and more of the most intelligent students….bc $$$$$$.

    The new metric is: graduate with no debt: let the U pay you to come to their institution…especially, if you are super smart but don’t have uber-wealthy parents paying for everything. I already read/hear about the griping of elite U’s over this fact.

    Millennials hate boomers…and don’t care about prestige. Elitism is lame. Millennials want to be rich – very simple. Now, many of them, especially the middle class kids, have a conscience and a moral compass…that was my point. And, lying does not come naturally to them.

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    Sure, your children are moral and averse to mendacity. I get it. I understood that both times you wrote it. My point (again) is that lying to evil people, deceiving the wicked to defeat them (or at least negotiate and avoid their snares) is not immoral. Refusal to accept and implement this axiom is foolish and suicidal. Your sons should have claimed to identity as transexual Negro communists if it would have gotten them admitted to a school they wished to attend.

    Look here: Do tou think for a moment the crew of the Enola Gay felt any moral imperative to provide fair warning about the nice little surprise they were delivering to the bastards in Japan? Of course not! The Japanese invasion of the U.S.A. and subsequent refusal to surrender justified that unannounced attack by the Americans. I'd have thought my analogy to downed aviators in-country would have driven the point home.

    If you understand my points and cling to the idea that it is better to never use subterfuge, that one must forever announce his strategy and tactics to the enemy with a bullhorn, and continue boxing according to the strictest rules of sportsmanship even after the other fellow has produced a knife from his waistband and stabbed one in the kidneys, then I'm damned if I can help, and I must only despair that this pathological altruism is precisely why our people may well be doomed. This attitude is suicide.

    As with Viet Nam, we will have lost the war at home.

    For all we know, the dying words of the last Etruscan were "But, but...I'm morally superior!"

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  270. Corvinus says:
    @Jack D
    This SOUNDS like it should be right (in a mainstream hack sort of way) but it bears no relation to actual reality. Generally speaking the Gap neither widens nor narrows no matter what you do or don't do in the schools because the things that cause the Gap are a combination of genetics (completely unfixable unless we are willing to bring back eugenics which as everyone knows is akin to Nazism) and home environment (black children are rarely raised in intact 2 parent families). Each of these is maybe 1/2 the problem so it's darn near impossible to completely eliminate the Gap. "Fixing" the schools appears to do little or nothing.

    You might be able to get away with spouting this kind of BS and having it believed in some mainstream leftist forum but you really picked the wrong place to think that you could mouth these kind of meaningless platitudes (AKA lies) and get away with it.

    “This SOUNDS like it should be right…”

    It IS right. You do realize the context of the conversation stemmed when Bubba commented how he hoped Brown v. Board would “go up in flames”, right? I correctly noted that southrons failed to adhere to the Plessy ruling calling for “separate but equal” treatment. White and black school children clearly had a gap in their educational experiences.

    “Generally speaking the Gap neither widens nor narrows no matter what you do or don’t do in the schools because the things that cause the Gap are a combination of genetics (completely unfixable unless we are willing to bring back eugenics which as everyone knows is akin to Nazism) and home environment (black children are rarely raised in intact 2 parent families).”

    I’m not referring to today’s situation. Pay attention. During Reconstruction, southern states created tax supported schools for whites and blacks. Millions of former slaves, who were illiterate because the South during slavery made it illegal to be taught how to read and write, were now given an opportunity to improve their lot in life. Southrons, however, were not about to give their hard earned money to enable their former chattel to move upward in society and challenge their status. Between 1896 and 1954, the gap between white and black education dramatically widened. The lawyers in the Brown case thus brought in sociological data to clearly demonstrate to the Justices how southern white and black schools were other than equal. All southrons had to do was abide by the ruling in the Plessy case. They messed up royally.

    Do you believe that without the Brown case that southrons would have bridged that gap financially on their own accord?

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  271. Corvinus says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    Wrong, Tonto. A federal judge ordered the Kansas City school district to spend a billion dollars in the mid-80s to solve racial disparities and nothing happened.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Public_Schools#State_accreditation

    Refer to my comment directed toward Jack D, as should Art Deco and anonymous. Next time, pay closer attention.

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  272. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    The problem, Corvinus, is black folks collectively tend to let each other down. With no consistent collective adherence to the principals of modern civilization, ain’t no math teacher gwinna help.

    You're trying to do what, convince people your thought process defaults to silly caricatures?

    You’re trying to do what, convince people your thought process defaults to silly caricatures?

    Your constant faulty premise of the pure subsaharan African American as a peer to white western Europeans is about as silly as a caricature can get, and you’ve yet to convince anyone.
    We used to call what you believe in, African American sub saharan blacks trying to be comparable to white western Europeans, a “minstrel show,” and gave them all the consideration that was due to that form of low entertainment.

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    Your constant faulty premise of the pure subsaharan A

    Another time, another place, you may acquire the ability to listen to what people say to you. Right now, you're talking to your navel.
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  273. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous

    You’re trying to do what, convince people your thought process defaults to silly caricatures?
     
    Your constant faulty premise of the pure subsaharan African American as a peer to white western Europeans is about as silly as a caricature can get, and you've yet to convince anyone.
    We used to call what you believe in, African American sub saharan blacks trying to be comparable to white western Europeans, a "minstrel show," and gave them all the consideration that was due to that form of low entertainment.

    Your constant faulty premise of the pure subsaharan A

    Another time, another place, you may acquire the ability to listen to what people say to you. Right now, you’re talking to your navel.

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    Another time, another place, you may acquire the ability to listen to what people say to you. Right now, you’re talking to your navel.
     
    Yes, it can't be that you're a crappy writer. It can't be that when you run out of ideas, you just keep typing. It can't be that when caught being a douche, you double-down. That's what all geniuses do, after all. You don't have a choice in the matter. Besides, you have a blog to run here. You can't be bothered with people pointing and laughing at you. What do they all know, anyway?

    Look out, everyone! Here comes Art Decooooooooooo!
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  274. @Lagertha
    I think you misunderstood me. My sons are extremely aware of the bullshit of college admissions. If the current USA was actually, interested in meritocratic university admissions, my sons, and their friends from HS days, would have been slam-dunks at: MIT, Stanford, Ivies, etc. Caltech seems to be the last meritocratic institution - they accept 800 (250 enroll) men a year???, so, not good - grad school is what Caltech is for.

    No, my sons will fight for their turf as time goes on. They are gifted and talented. What you may not understand from my post: my sons know the whole "admissions race" is bullshit (along with Asian students): The smartest kids are not getting accepted at elite U's bc of socialism...social engineering.

    Now, my mother, an English teacher, said: "sooner or later, the fruits of the Elite U's in 20 years will be incredibly lackluster....bc, they accepted many legacies - 40% (extremely rich, average IQ kids), athletes (25% - who are so-so students), 10% Pell Grant kids(talent +/-?), and only a measly, 20% of the top 5% academically - the valedictorians, gifted kids." So, according to her: the State U's, 2nd - 3rd tier U's are getting more and more of the most intelligent students....bc $$$$$$.

    The new metric is: graduate with no debt: let the U pay you to come to their institution...especially, if you are super smart but don't have uber-wealthy parents paying for everything. I already read/hear about the griping of elite U's over this fact.

    Millennials hate boomers...and don't care about prestige. Elitism is lame. Millennials want to be rich - very simple. Now, many of them, especially the middle class kids, have a conscience and a moral compass...that was my point. And, lying does not come naturally to them.

    Sure, your children are moral and averse to mendacity. I get it. I understood that both times you wrote it. My point (again) is that lying to evil people, deceiving the wicked to defeat them (or at least negotiate and avoid their snares) is not immoral. Refusal to accept and implement this axiom is foolish and suicidal. Your sons should have claimed to identity as transexual Negro communists if it would have gotten them admitted to a school they wished to attend.

    Look here: Do tou think for a moment the crew of the Enola Gay felt any moral imperative to provide fair warning about the nice little surprise they were delivering to the bastards in Japan? Of course not! The Japanese invasion of the U.S.A. and subsequent refusal to surrender justified that unannounced attack by the Americans. I’d have thought my analogy to downed aviators in-country would have driven the point home.

    If you understand my points and cling to the idea that it is better to never use subterfuge, that one must forever announce his strategy and tactics to the enemy with a bullhorn, and continue boxing according to the strictest rules of sportsmanship even after the other fellow has produced a knife from his waistband and stabbed one in the kidneys, then I’m damned if I can help, and I must only despair that this pathological altruism is precisely why our people may well be doomed. This attitude is suicide.

    As with Viet Nam, we will have lost the war at home.

    For all we know, the dying words of the last Etruscan were “But, but…I’m morally superior!”

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    Japan did not invade the U.S., nor did it refuse to surrender.
    , @Lagertha
    ok...I misunderstood you...and you, me. I know exactly what you mean about fight or flight; lie or die: both my grandfathers killed (or, were responsible for large-scale killing) many Reds during the World Wars. I was raised by engineers and teachers...but, I also spent time at gun ranges in between Girl Scout meetings, choir, and school. I am a very good shot :)

    My point is: the Ivies & Co. are losing their venerated "social" position bc they accept middling kids these last 15 years or so: lots of wealthy legacies (many dim-witted), athletes (24%, only a few are very bright), Pell Grant kids (many who need remedial classes like Algebra), and wealthy foreigners - many from China - who pay full tuition.

    And, my sons had options bc they are STEM students, are in the top 5% academically, and are the sport package. They just felt the Elite U's were not attractive...just full of miserable people & more importantly: why come there to play a sport if they offer no money? (my sons all received academic scholarships, and one got more $$$ with sport).

    Plus, they didn't want to be labeled "jocks," and, subsequently, live very separate lives on campus. This is reality now, on elite U campuses. I don't know how old you are, but (and, I have accurate info) the Ivies & Co. are only accepting/bringing in 30% of the most intelligent youth (the valedictorians) on to their campuses! My mother, a woman of exceptional wisdom (7th generation U educated person) said it is just crazy to decline top students bc of social engineering concerns/identitarian stuff...bc of socialism.

    On the other hand: the Public U's and more obscure, humble Institutes of Tech; those 2nd and 3rd tier U's people sneer at, are happy to throw money at smart kids who should have been accepted at Elite U's. In fact, the Elite U's are now whining about this development these past 5 years...they feel it is unfair (whaaa) bc so many of these kids (middle income at best) can afford to take on loans! The hubris of the Elite U's is now, sort of laughed at by very cynical Millennial kids. They make 15 million $ on the applications...and Millennials have now learned: don't bother to apply...don't waste your parent's money on the application bc You Can'T CHECK A BOX.

    BTW, Everybody, Edinburgh & St. Andrew's are very popular with American students! Many are going there for their BA's...not just for junior year. Ireland is popular, too.

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