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The New York Times Editorial Board blames the victims:

An Inclusive French Republic
Paris Attacks Lay Bare Longtime Muslim Exclusion

Professed values must become a reality for the country’s many youths who feel marginalized.
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD JAN. 19, 2015

The recent terrorist attacks in Paris prompted millions to take to the streets to show national solidarity and to pay tribute to the 17 people murdered. The attacks have also inspired a lot of soul-searching, as the French struggle to understand how three men, born and raised in France, could have trained the murderous intent of Al Qaeda and the Islamic State on their own countrymen. And the attacks have revealed a larger, existential threat to France: that its social compact may be torn apart by sectarian polarization.

The profiles of the three attackers — Amedy Coulibaly and the brothers Chérif and Saïd Kouachi — are an indictment of the decades-long failure of France to address long-festering alienation and exclusion among too many Muslim immigrants and their French-born children. Unemployment is as high as 40 percent among youths in France’s disadvantaged neighborhoods. All three attackers grew up in poverty. Chérif Kouachi and Mr. Coulibaly spent time in prison. All ultimately found deadly purpose in Islamist terrorism.

Prison was the crucible of their radicalization. There are five million to six million Muslims in France, less than 10 percent of the total population, but 60 percent of France’s prison inmates are of “Muslim culture or religion,” according to a report presented to France’s National Assembly. …

There is also the problem of France’s secularism.

 
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  1. Jefferson says:

    “Prison was the crucible of their radicalization. There are five million to six million Muslims in France, less than 10 percent of the total population, but 60 percent of France’s prison inmates are of “Muslim culture or religion,” according to a report presented to France’s National Assembly.”

    The best way to decrease the number of Muslims in France’s prisons is to put an end to Muslim immigration to France. The less Muslims there are in France, the less Muslims there will be in France’s prisons.

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  2. HA says:

    “Unemployment is as high as 40 percent among youths in France’s disadvantaged neighborhoods. All three attackers grew up in poverty.”

    Oh, you mean all we have to do to cure Islamic terrorism is to get rid of poverty and unemployment? That’s it?

    Well, let’s get right on that. Why didn’t anyone think of this before? This is gonna be a breeze. Man, those NYT guys are gonna go far, you mark my words.

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    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    OK, that was hugely funny, HA. Well structured, with the Sine reference lurking underneath.
  3. If they were born in France, they were able to attend school for free. They could attend classes during the day and do their homework during the evenings. They could check out books for free from their local libraries.

    During their weekends and summers, they could visit museums and historical sites for free. They could attend public lectures and concerts for free.

    Instead, they spent all their time smoking dope and talking nonsense with the stupidest people in their neighborhood.

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  4. That’s psychological warfare right there.. guilty victims should feel like it’s their fault somehow; they should feel ashamed and violated and lowered, with broken spirits. It’s the victims’ fault!

    Instead of a more normal response of a non-victim: wow, that was awful, maybe we should change some things around here so this doesn’t happen again. Maybe we made a mistake somewhere…

    Nah, that’s crazy, better keep doing more of the same.

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  5. 22pp22 says:

    I’ m so glad you read the press so I don’t have to.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I’ m so glad you read the press so I don’t have to.

    Let us all dream and work for the day when the New York Times is just another website.
  6. Hersh says:

    France probably will work harder to integrate their Muslims into French society. They can’t deport them.

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    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "France probably will work harder to integrate their Muslims into French society. They can’t deport them."

    Bullshit. At the peak of WW2, the United States (pop. 140 million) had a military 12 million men strong. It conscripted them, trained them, and deployed most of them overseas - where it then had to feed them, arm them, and treat them when wounded. Then, at the end of it all, it had to bring most of them home.

    If the French need to deport 5 million Muslims - or the US deport 12 million illegals - it would not require a fraction of the effort needed to raise, deploy, and sustain a 12 million man fighting force.

    Can we please stop acting like activities similar to the ones government routinely performs day after day are somehow impossible, but only when you want them to be?

  7. Wilkey says:

    “The profiles of the three attackers — Amedy Coulibaly and the brothers Chérif and Saïd Kouachi — are an indictment of the decades-long failure of France to address long-festering alienation and exclusion among too many Muslim immigrants and their French-born children.”

    Assimilation is the responsibility of the immigrants, not the host population. If the immigrants don’t like the conditions they arrive to, and the expectations of the host population, they are free to leave.

    These immigrants never desired to be French. They desired to be Algerians or whatever while living a French quality of life.

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    • Replies: @Jim
    It's not so much a matter of desiring to be French or not. The immigrants are substantially different genetically from the French. No doubt the immigrants do not wnat to become French but they couldn't even if they wanted to.

    I admire the Japanese but if I lived in Japan for no matter how long I could not become Japanese even if I eventually acquired fluency in the language. Being Japanese is genetic.
  8. Jefferson says:

    “They could check out books for free from their local libraries.”

    Muslims don’t read many books compared to Jews, East Asians, and White Gentiles. The only book most Muslims read is the quran.

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    • Replies: @Jim
    I suspect they don't read the Koran all that much. The Koran is written in classical Arabic quite different from the approximately 40 modern Arabic languages. It is not the differences between the ideology of the Koran versus the Bible that is important it is the genetic differences between peoples.

    Swedes may read the Bible translated into Modern Swedish or read it in the original Hebrew or Greek as much as possible. But Swedes will not become Ancient Hebrews or Greeks.

    Ideology is not the important thing here.

  9. Wilkey says:
    @Hersh
    France probably will work harder to integrate their Muslims into French society. They can't deport them.

    “France probably will work harder to integrate their Muslims into French society. They can’t deport them.”

    Bullshit. At the peak of WW2, the United States (pop. 140 million) had a military 12 million men strong. It conscripted them, trained them, and deployed most of them overseas – where it then had to feed them, arm them, and treat them when wounded. Then, at the end of it all, it had to bring most of them home.

    If the French need to deport 5 million Muslims – or the US deport 12 million illegals – it would not require a fraction of the effort needed to raise, deploy, and sustain a 12 million man fighting force.

    Can we please stop acting like activities similar to the ones government routinely performs day after day are somehow impossible, but only when you want them to be?

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    The Algerians were perfectly capable of deporting over a million Frenchmen from Algeria.
    , @Jim
    I agree that it's not a matter of physical impossibility but of will.
  10. timothy says:

    There is also the problem of France’s secularism. A ban on head scarves in public schools and on full-face veils feels to many Muslims like an unfair constraint on their religious freedom. Some also find it hard to accept that blasphemy is not a crime in France, and that Charlie Hebdo and other publications have a right to satirize religious leaders. Some students in French schools with large immigrant and Muslim populations refused to participate in the national minute of silence following the Charlie Hebdo attack because they objected to what they had heard about the magazine’s depictions of the Prophet Muhammad.

    C’mon France. You gotta let Muslim clericalists get in on French republican values like anticlericalism.

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  11. Jefferson says:

    “These immigrants never desired to be French. They desired to be Algerians or whatever while living a French quality of life.”

    If they want to live under an Islamic dictatorship while at the same time having a high standard of living similar to European countries, these Muslim North African assholes should move to Saudi Arabia or Qatar instead of France.

    According to the Human Development Index, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are not 3rd world countries like Algeria and Egypt for example.

    They get to have their cakes and eat it too by moving to Qatar or Saudi Arabia.

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    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    That's the ticket!!! They can go the Haj as Allah commands and then simply refuse to go back home. Let the very Saudis who fund international Jihad deal with the Islamists' welfare.

    But then Saudi Arabia is building over a thousand miles of fence in order to keep ISIS in the north and the Yemenis in the south out the kingdom.

    , @Jim
    Saudi Arabia and Qatar wuold not allow Algerians to become a part of their societies. They might work their as guest servants but they would be sent home when they were no longer useful.
  12. snorlax says:
    @Wilkey
    "France probably will work harder to integrate their Muslims into French society. They can’t deport them."

    Bullshit. At the peak of WW2, the United States (pop. 140 million) had a military 12 million men strong. It conscripted them, trained them, and deployed most of them overseas - where it then had to feed them, arm them, and treat them when wounded. Then, at the end of it all, it had to bring most of them home.

    If the French need to deport 5 million Muslims - or the US deport 12 million illegals - it would not require a fraction of the effort needed to raise, deploy, and sustain a 12 million man fighting force.

    Can we please stop acting like activities similar to the ones government routinely performs day after day are somehow impossible, but only when you want them to be?

    The Algerians were perfectly capable of deporting over a million Frenchmen from Algeria.

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  13. Mr. Anon says:

    “Wilkey says:

    These immigrants never desired to be French. They desired to be Algerians or whatever while living a French quality of life.”

    They wanted to live like Allah in France (with apologies to Goethe).

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  14. awesome says:

    And to think, some people were expressing hope when the NYT gave Marine Le Penn an op ed: ‘maybe we’re finally seeing the NYT come around!’ Fat chance.
    Like moldbug said, you’ll never overthrow the progressives until someone drives a tank onto Harvard’s lawn. Or into the NYT’s staff room.

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    • Replies: @awesome
    Off topic: why, when I type 'fat' into my phone does the auto correct change it to 'eat'? Is there a subversive operative working within the android pc police?
  15. Jefferson says:

    “There is also the problem of France’s secularism.”

    Since when did The New York Times have a problem with secularism ? When did secularism become a bad thing in their eyes ? Isn’t everybody at The New York Times suppose to be Liberal Atheists who hate all forms of organized religion ? Oh I forgot the only religion they really hate is Christianity.

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    • Replies: @Jim
    Yes it is striking to compare the almost reverential attitude that many on the left have to Islam and it's sacred texts with their disdain and contempt for Christianity.
    , @gzu
    More like they oppose laicite. Secularism, the way the practice it is very different from the way France or the Kemalists in Turkey do it.
  16. awesome says:
    @awesome
    And to think, some people were expressing hope when the NYT gave Marine Le Penn an op ed: 'maybe we're finally seeing the NYT come around!' Fat chance.
    Like moldbug said, you'll never overthrow the progressives until someone drives a tank onto Harvard's lawn. Or into the NYT's staff room.

    Off topic: why, when I type ‘fat’ into my phone does the auto correct change it to ‘eat’? Is there a subversive operative working within the android pc police?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "why, when I type ‘fat’ into my phone does the auto correct change it to ‘eat’" ?

    When I type "mum" the first choice I get is "nun". How many times does that word occur in a text ?
  17. Mr. Anon says:

    “Wilkey says:

    If the French need to deport 5 million Muslims – or the US deport 12 million illegals – it would not require a fraction of the effort needed to raise, deploy, and sustain a 12 million man fighting force.

    Can we please stop acting like activities similar to the ones government routinely performs day after day are somehow impossible, but only when you want them to be?”

    Well said. This truth needs to be spread. If we can support modern resource-intensive armies in the field half the world away for thirteen years (longer than the Civil War, WWI, and WWII combined) to fight “terrorism”, then we can certainly send a few million people back to their country of origin. When it comes to deportation we need to remember the motto of our great leader: “Yes, we can!”.

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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Of course, it would ill-behoove a Frenchman to pontificate loudly about the USA’s 300 year long ‘social exclusion’ and ‘marginalization’ of its black population.
    And of course the manifold social pathologies of America’s blacks, from the rate of criminality to the rate of welfare usage are all entirely the fault of white Americans.

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    • Replies: @Jim
    The US black population has long been one of the most well-off black populations in the world.
  19. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Despite all the crap one might read, especially in such publications as the NYT, France’s Muslim population, in its tens of millions, is no more than one or two generations removed from its homelands.
    So we are not talking here about an estranged population which has been cutoff from its roots and heartland for generation upon generation, and thus is forced by circumstances to make a life in another people’s land.

    Put simply and bluntly – if the Muslims don’t like life in France, then there’s nothing stopping them from going home.

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    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Put simply and bluntly – if the Muslims don’t like life in France, then there’s nothing stopping them from going home."
    No dole in Algeria. Why would they leave France?
  20. George says:

    “France’s minister of education, Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, who is French-Moroccan, is to announce new measures on Monday to better explain French “republican values” in the schools.”

    The Times is too PC to mention it: She’s hot, search for Najat Vallaud-Belkacem on google images.

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    • Replies: @george
    Cultural Marxism': a uniting theory for rightwingers who love to play the victim

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim
    , @anonymous-antimarxist

    She supports having the French government force Twitter to filter out hate speech that is illegal under French law, such as speech that is homophobic.[6] Regarding same-sex marriage in France, she has stated that its legalisation is a matter of "historic progress".[7]

    She describes herself as a "non-practising Muslim"
     
    Ms Najat Vallaud-Belkacem may be non practising now, but once the Islamists take over in large part to due her leftist politics????

    Somehow I doubt she would risk her life to remain a traditional French Republican.
  21. Well France and the rest of the West was encouraged, bullied, bribed, groomed and persuaded to follow the American model so it’s not surprising the New York Times is comfortable applying the same alibis for the mess in France as it uses to explain the mess in the US. The same policies, carried out by the same “Euro-Atlantic consensus” require the same patch job and excuses when they fail in the same way.

    It’s pretty obvious now that around the early to mid-1960s the big brains of the Euro-Atlantic consensus, the Bilderberg boys, decided everybody’s gotta get NAMs. If you ain’t got NAMs you’re the next Hitler, a Klan member or a Luddite. France was a little slower than the Anglopherical countries to adopt the American model because that mean old grump de Gaulle was still in power. Once the first colour revolution happened in May 1968 France could finally catch up with the march of progress and get on the right side of history. They went ahead with that and here we all are now. The NYT chirps up with the same excuse for why it’s not working that they’ve given for the last five decades.

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    • Replies: @fnn
    Don't laugh, but there's a chart that explains it all!:

    http://www.moreright.net/frankfurt-school-caused-progressivism/

    One error, I think, is that the Frankfurt School was funded more by the OSS/CIA and AJC than the KGB.
  22. george says:
    @George
    "France’s minister of education, Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, who is French-Moroccan, is to announce new measures on Monday to better explain French “republican values” in the schools."

    The Times is too PC to mention it: She's hot, search for Najat Vallaud-Belkacem on google images.
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    • Replies: @map
    Anti-Whitism: the unifying theory of all Leftism.
  23. @22pp22
    I' m so glad you read the press so I don't have to.

    I’ m so glad you read the press so I don’t have to.

    Let us all dream and work for the day when the New York Times is just another website.

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  24. If lighting a thousand cars on fire on New Year’s Eve is allowed to become a “tradition” among your guests, forget it, it’s over.

    If you are allowing men from 1000s of miles away to move to your country and proceed to rape and pimp out 1000s of your daughters, you’re finished.

    If every time some Muslim Jihadi maniac cuts the throat of a schoolgirl in Toulouse, or massacres a bunch of cartoonists or kosher grocery patrons, the message is that the true evil is noticing how often Muslim Jihadi guests do things like this, the fix is in.

    It was a true left/right combo to the European public: Persuade a still-traumatized post WW2 generation to stop having children because there’s overpopulation and a Third World child you’ve never seen should be just as important to you as your own. Then when they’ve stopped, import those Third World children they didn’t stop having in the Third World, and convince the public that now they have to treat these newcomers like the children they never had.

    Volia. A New People.

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  25. @Anonymous
    Despite all the crap one might read, especially in such publications as the NYT, France's Muslim population, in its tens of millions, is no more than one or two generations removed from its homelands.
    So we are not talking here about an estranged population which has been cutoff from its roots and heartland for generation upon generation, and thus is forced by circumstances to make a life in another people's land.

    Put simply and bluntly - if the Muslims don't like life in France, then there's nothing stopping them from going home.

    “Put simply and bluntly – if the Muslims don’t like life in France, then there’s nothing stopping them from going home.”
    No dole in Algeria. Why would they leave France?

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  26. It is also interesting how the left (and the right for different reasons) tries to obscure the racial angle by talking about French “Muslims” as if they were a uniform bloc. I would like to see hard numbers, but I get the impression that most Iranian emigres have done just fine in France. Same is true of Lebanese muslims. The Kouachi brothers are both of Algerian descent, which surprised absolutely no one. For the most part France has a problem with North Africans, not “Muslims”. Even bending over backwards to respect their religion will do nothing to alleviate the problem of North African criminality and poverty, any more than American inner city blacks became model citizens after America started celebrating MLK day and Kwanzaa.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    And the French have a problem with non-Muslim Africans too.
    , @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Same is true of Lebanese muslims."
    Different story in Australia. Aust took a lot of leb muslims in the 1970s. The second generation Aussie born muslims have flocked to Syria/IS.
    It's a pretty good deal because before they got religion/allah they were the worst criminals in Sydney.
    They make the Italian mafia, Chinese triad and Viet gangs look like ladyboys.
    , @Jim
    The examples you cite indicate that genetics is much more important than Islam per se. The genetic distance between Iranians and Greeks is about the same as that between Greeks and Englishmen. So Iranians are genetically closer to Europeans than Algerians.

    Of course the genetic distance between Europeans and African blacks is huge.
  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’ve definitely noticed this trope over the last few months – that the now very regular attacks on ethnic French people and Jews by Muslim extremists are a result of the latter’s being “marginalized”. A remote (French) Facebook acquaintance by the name of Goldberg has in recent months absolutely refused to assign any blame to the Muslim attackers at all, and insisted that it was their treatment by mainstream France that is to blame. She has been rather quiet over the past ten days though.

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  28. @Peter Akuleyev
    It is also interesting how the left (and the right for different reasons) tries to obscure the racial angle by talking about French "Muslims" as if they were a uniform bloc. I would like to see hard numbers, but I get the impression that most Iranian emigres have done just fine in France. Same is true of Lebanese muslims. The Kouachi brothers are both of Algerian descent, which surprised absolutely no one. For the most part France has a problem with North Africans, not "Muslims". Even bending over backwards to respect their religion will do nothing to alleviate the problem of North African criminality and poverty, any more than American inner city blacks became model citizens after America started celebrating MLK day and Kwanzaa.

    And the French have a problem with non-Muslim Africans too.

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    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "And the French have a problem with non-Muslim Africans too."

    I'm sure they're the only ones.
  29. Wilkey says:
    @Steve Sailer
    And the French have a problem with non-Muslim Africans too.

    “And the French have a problem with non-Muslim Africans too.”

    I’m sure they’re the only ones.

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  30. @Peter Akuleyev
    It is also interesting how the left (and the right for different reasons) tries to obscure the racial angle by talking about French "Muslims" as if they were a uniform bloc. I would like to see hard numbers, but I get the impression that most Iranian emigres have done just fine in France. Same is true of Lebanese muslims. The Kouachi brothers are both of Algerian descent, which surprised absolutely no one. For the most part France has a problem with North Africans, not "Muslims". Even bending over backwards to respect their religion will do nothing to alleviate the problem of North African criminality and poverty, any more than American inner city blacks became model citizens after America started celebrating MLK day and Kwanzaa.

    “Same is true of Lebanese muslims.”
    Different story in Australia. Aust took a lot of leb muslims in the 1970s. The second generation Aussie born muslims have flocked to Syria/IS.
    It’s a pretty good deal because before they got religion/allah they were the worst criminals in Sydney.
    They make the Italian mafia, Chinese triad and Viet gangs look like ladyboys.

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    • Replies: @Harold
    This reminds me of a comedy bit by (Coptic) Egyptian Australian comedian Akmal Saleh.

    This is from memory so it’s no doubt not quite right.

    Akmal describes how he hates it when there are spiderwebs across the sidewalk which can’t be seen, causing you to sometimes walk face first into them. He especially dislikes it because onlookers can’t see them either so they don’t know what just happened. He then recounts how he was walking down the sidewalk when he walked face first into a spiderweb and mimes suddenly jerking his head back and flailing his arms in front of his face, and how there were two white Australians walking along the opposite sidewalk who witnessed this, and of course were unaware of the cause, and one of the white Australians says to the other “Did you see that Lebo? He just snapped! Bloody Lebos, you can’t trust ’em.”

    Boy, that was harder to describe than I anticipated.

  31. Kamran says:

    You are Italian right, Mister Jefferson? I understand that you are white and that you live in New York. I’m an iranian man who is highly desiring to obtain the power of a white man. I have information from a somebody about how to do this? Please help me obtain a white energetic genetic power.

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  32. Neutral says:

    Its kind of right, they should not have let Muslims in their lands in the first place.

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  33. fnn says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Well France and the rest of the West was encouraged, bullied, bribed, groomed and persuaded to follow the American model so it's not surprising the New York Times is comfortable applying the same alibis for the mess in France as it uses to explain the mess in the US. The same policies, carried out by the same "Euro-Atlantic consensus" require the same patch job and excuses when they fail in the same way.

    It's pretty obvious now that around the early to mid-1960s the big brains of the Euro-Atlantic consensus, the Bilderberg boys, decided everybody's gotta get NAMs. If you ain't got NAMs you're the next Hitler, a Klan member or a Luddite. France was a little slower than the Anglopherical countries to adopt the American model because that mean old grump de Gaulle was still in power. Once the first colour revolution happened in May 1968 France could finally catch up with the march of progress and get on the right side of history. They went ahead with that and here we all are now. The NYT chirps up with the same excuse for why it's not working that they've given for the last five decades.

    Don’t laugh, but there’s a chart that explains it all!:

    http://www.moreright.net/frankfurt-school-caused-progressivism/

    One error, I think, is that the Frankfurt School was funded more by the OSS/CIA and AJC than the KGB.

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  34. Harold says:
    @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Same is true of Lebanese muslims."
    Different story in Australia. Aust took a lot of leb muslims in the 1970s. The second generation Aussie born muslims have flocked to Syria/IS.
    It's a pretty good deal because before they got religion/allah they were the worst criminals in Sydney.
    They make the Italian mafia, Chinese triad and Viet gangs look like ladyboys.

    This reminds me of a comedy bit by (Coptic) Egyptian Australian comedian Akmal Saleh.

    This is from memory so it’s no doubt not quite right.

    Akmal describes how he hates it when there are spiderwebs across the sidewalk which can’t be seen, causing you to sometimes walk face first into them. He especially dislikes it because onlookers can’t see them either so they don’t know what just happened. He then recounts how he was walking down the sidewalk when he walked face first into a spiderweb and mimes suddenly jerking his head back and flailing his arms in front of his face, and how there were two white Australians walking along the opposite sidewalk who witnessed this, and of course were unaware of the cause, and one of the white Australians says to the other “Did you see that Lebo? He just snapped! Bloody Lebos, you can’t trust ’em.”

    Boy, that was harder to describe than I anticipated.

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  35. Harold says:

    Isn’t this the same rag that blamed an 11-year-old girl for being gang raped?

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  36. Hunsdon says:
    @HA
    "Unemployment is as high as 40 percent among youths in France’s disadvantaged neighborhoods. All three attackers grew up in poverty."

    Oh, you mean all we have to do to cure Islamic terrorism is to get rid of poverty and unemployment? That’s it?

    Well, let's get right on that. Why didn’t anyone think of this before? This is gonna be a breeze. Man, those NYT guys are gonna go far, you mark my words.

    OK, that was hugely funny, HA. Well structured, with the Sine reference lurking underneath.

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    • Replies: @ic1000
    What if French scientists could clone Charles Martel's DNA and bring him back to life? Together with Haven Monahan, a reincarnated Martel would lead France's effort to reform itself according to the Times Editorial Board's diktat/brainstorm.

    These changes will be both easy and foolproof. What could possibly go wrong?, as one wag is known to quip at times like this.
    , @HA
    Something tells me the NYT’s solution to the poverty and unemployment that caused this mess will involve bringing in a couple million more immigrants. Even if that somehow fails to produce the desired result (not saying it ever would, mind you, I'm just running through hypotheticals), these angry and impoverished young folk will surely feel less marginalized when an even larger share of France’s population looks exactly like them.

    And once that’s taken care of, the only jihadis we’ll have left to worry about are the engineers, PhD's and doctors who blow up NY skyscrapers and Glasgow airports. I’m sure the NYT will have an easy fix for that, too.

  37. Harold says:

    Steve, for your book Who, Whom : The hypocrisy of the Western media

    My favourite example of NYT who, whom principles.

    When we gained our independence from Britain, 50 years ago today, the motto was changed to “Out of many, one people.”

    Though this might appear to be a vast improvement on the servile Indies, the new motto encodes its own problematic contradictions. It marginalizes the nation’s black majority by asserting that the idealized face of the Jamaican nation is multiracial. In actuality, only about 7 percent of the population is mixed-race; 3 percent is European, Chinese or East Indian, and 90 percent is of African origin.

    […]

    The roots of our distinctive music, religion, politics, philosophy, science, literature and language are African. But the culture of African Jamaicans has been marginalized in the construction of the nation-state. Fifty years after independence, we must revise our fictive national motto, rejecting the homogenizing myth of multicultural assimilation.

    from Who Is Jamaica? here:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/opinion/who-is-jamaica.html

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  38. TomB says:

    Oh you guys: Just wait. Any day now the Times will come out with an entirely consistent editorial blasting Israel’s treatment of its Third World immigrants, the settlers’ absolute ethnocentrism, and how Israel treats its own Beduin communities.

    Any day now.

    You just wait…

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Have you ever read a NY Times editorial about Israel? Guess not.

    Moron.
  39. frederic says:

    “Prison was the crucible of their radicalization.”

    they went to prison for crimes related to islamism
    so it’s fair to say that they were radical before going to prison
    when you’re willing to fight the americans in the middle east in the name of islam, you can be called a radical muslim i think

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  40. ic1000 says:
    @Hunsdon
    OK, that was hugely funny, HA. Well structured, with the Sine reference lurking underneath.

    What if French scientists could clone Charles Martel’s DNA and bring him back to life? Together with Haven Monahan, a reincarnated Martel would lead France’s effort to reform itself according to the Times Editorial Board’s diktat/brainstorm.

    These changes will be both easy and foolproof. What could possibly go wrong?, as one wag is known to quip at times like this.

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  41. Bugg says:

    Remarkable thgat the Times is so sympathetic to am immigrant population that chooses to movve to France and thenr efuse to become French. Wonder how the Times’ editorial board would feel if such a collection of Islamic folks took over the Upper West Side such that their ERs and public schools were so impacted.

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  42. Bert says:

    I was shocked when I learned that the American Embassy in Paris has apparently been sponsoring programs in the suburbs that have apparent anti-France themes and brought none other than Samuel L. Jackson to speak at a black gathering there. It’s small wonder the French have anti-American resentment.

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  43. Jim says:
    @Wilkey
    "The profiles of the three attackers — Amedy Coulibaly and the brothers Chérif and Saïd Kouachi — are an indictment of the decades-long failure of France to address long-festering alienation and exclusion among too many Muslim immigrants and their French-born children."

    Assimilation is the responsibility of the immigrants, not the host population. If the immigrants don't like the conditions they arrive to, and the expectations of the host population, they are free to leave.

    These immigrants never desired to be French. They desired to be Algerians or whatever while living a French quality of life.

    It’s not so much a matter of desiring to be French or not. The immigrants are substantially different genetically from the French. No doubt the immigrants do not wnat to become French but they couldn’t even if they wanted to.

    I admire the Japanese but if I lived in Japan for no matter how long I could not become Japanese even if I eventually acquired fluency in the language. Being Japanese is genetic.

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  44. The NYT has officially lost their minds. They are arguing for women wearing full face veils in schools and for the French government to embrace Islam.

    They aren’t liberal. They are anti white and anti Christian. That’s the only thing that explains this.

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  45. @Jefferson
    "These immigrants never desired to be French. They desired to be Algerians or whatever while living a French quality of life."

    If they want to live under an Islamic dictatorship while at the same time having a high standard of living similar to European countries, these Muslim North African assholes should move to Saudi Arabia or Qatar instead of France.

    According to the Human Development Index, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are not 3rd world countries like Algeria and Egypt for example.

    They get to have their cakes and eat it too by moving to Qatar or Saudi Arabia.

    That’s the ticket!!! They can go the Haj as Allah commands and then simply refuse to go back home. Let the very Saudis who fund international Jihad deal with the Islamists’ welfare.

    But then Saudi Arabia is building over a thousand miles of fence in order to keep ISIS in the north and the Yemenis in the south out the kingdom.

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  46. jtgw says:

    What an outrageous editorial. As you noted, Steve, the killers were not unemployed but benefited from France’s make-work program for otherwise unemployable “youths”. They also benefited from the free education and health-care of the French welfare state. If they had been unemployed, they would have been entitled to the dole. And they spent time in prison because they committed crimes; the NYT talks as if they were political prisoners (which do exist in France as a result of their absurd hate speech laws, but that’s another story). They were just low-life parasitical thugs who deserve no sympathy.

    The attack on secularism represents the height of hypocrisy, coming from supposed liberals. I guess I can understand why bans on headscarves seems particularly intrusive even for a liberal who would object strenuously to allowing Christian kids to pray in the classroom, but that liberals should even question whether blasphemy should be on the law books beggars belief.

    I agree with Peter Akuleyev that we need to stop automatically thinking of French Muslims as a single entity. How does geographical origin affect Muslim behavior? I gather he’s trying to imply that it’s their Africanness that is responsible for their antisocial traits, but shouldn’t that only apply to sub-Saharan Africans? North Africans are pretty close to Middle-Eastern Arabs, genetically speaking, are they not? If race is the factor, we’d expect North Africans and sub-Saharans to pattern differently, independent of religion.

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    • Replies: @frederic
    "They were just low-life parasitical thugs who deserve no sympathy."

    from what i have read, they didn't spent anytime in prison for regular crimes
    they weren't know by the police as criminals for anything other than islamic and terror-related crime
  47. Jim says:
    @Jefferson
    "They could check out books for free from their local libraries."

    Muslims don't read many books compared to Jews, East Asians, and White Gentiles. The only book most Muslims read is the quran.

    I suspect they don’t read the Koran all that much. The Koran is written in classical Arabic quite different from the approximately 40 modern Arabic languages. It is not the differences between the ideology of the Koran versus the Bible that is important it is the genetic differences between peoples.

    Swedes may read the Bible translated into Modern Swedish or read it in the original Hebrew or Greek as much as possible. But Swedes will not become Ancient Hebrews or Greeks.

    Ideology is not the important thing here.

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  48. Jim says:
    @Wilkey
    "France probably will work harder to integrate their Muslims into French society. They can’t deport them."

    Bullshit. At the peak of WW2, the United States (pop. 140 million) had a military 12 million men strong. It conscripted them, trained them, and deployed most of them overseas - where it then had to feed them, arm them, and treat them when wounded. Then, at the end of it all, it had to bring most of them home.

    If the French need to deport 5 million Muslims - or the US deport 12 million illegals - it would not require a fraction of the effort needed to raise, deploy, and sustain a 12 million man fighting force.

    Can we please stop acting like activities similar to the ones government routinely performs day after day are somehow impossible, but only when you want them to be?

    I agree that it’s not a matter of physical impossibility but of will.

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  49. Jim says:
    @Jefferson
    "These immigrants never desired to be French. They desired to be Algerians or whatever while living a French quality of life."

    If they want to live under an Islamic dictatorship while at the same time having a high standard of living similar to European countries, these Muslim North African assholes should move to Saudi Arabia or Qatar instead of France.

    According to the Human Development Index, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are not 3rd world countries like Algeria and Egypt for example.

    They get to have their cakes and eat it too by moving to Qatar or Saudi Arabia.

    Saudi Arabia and Qatar wuold not allow Algerians to become a part of their societies. They might work their as guest servants but they would be sent home when they were no longer useful.

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  50. Jim says:
    @Jefferson
    "There is also the problem of France’s secularism."

    Since when did The New York Times have a problem with secularism ? When did secularism become a bad thing in their eyes ? Isn't everybody at The New York Times suppose to be Liberal Atheists who hate all forms of organized religion ? Oh I forgot the only religion they really hate is Christianity.

    Yes it is striking to compare the almost reverential attitude that many on the left have to Islam and it’s sacred texts with their disdain and contempt for Christianity.

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  51. Jim says:
    @Anonymous
    Of course, it would ill-behoove a Frenchman to pontificate loudly about the USA's 300 year long 'social exclusion' and 'marginalization' of its black population.
    And of course the manifold social pathologies of America's blacks, from the rate of criminality to the rate of welfare usage are all entirely the fault of white Americans.

    The US black population has long been one of the most well-off black populations in the world.

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  52. @George
    "France’s minister of education, Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, who is French-Moroccan, is to announce new measures on Monday to better explain French “republican values” in the schools."

    The Times is too PC to mention it: She's hot, search for Najat Vallaud-Belkacem on google images.

    She supports having the French government force Twitter to filter out hate speech that is illegal under French law, such as speech that is homophobic.[6] Regarding same-sex marriage in France, she has stated that its legalisation is a matter of “historic progress”.[7]

    She describes herself as a “non-practising Muslim”

    Ms Najat Vallaud-Belkacem may be non practising now, but once the Islamists take over in large part to due her leftist politics????

    Somehow I doubt she would risk her life to remain a traditional French Republican.

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  53. Jim says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    It is also interesting how the left (and the right for different reasons) tries to obscure the racial angle by talking about French "Muslims" as if they were a uniform bloc. I would like to see hard numbers, but I get the impression that most Iranian emigres have done just fine in France. Same is true of Lebanese muslims. The Kouachi brothers are both of Algerian descent, which surprised absolutely no one. For the most part France has a problem with North Africans, not "Muslims". Even bending over backwards to respect their religion will do nothing to alleviate the problem of North African criminality and poverty, any more than American inner city blacks became model citizens after America started celebrating MLK day and Kwanzaa.

    The examples you cite indicate that genetics is much more important than Islam per se. The genetic distance between Iranians and Greeks is about the same as that between Greeks and Englishmen. So Iranians are genetically closer to Europeans than Algerians.

    Of course the genetic distance between Europeans and African blacks is huge.

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    • Replies: @jtgw
    Can you cite a source for that? And how about the Lebanese? Another commenter noted that Lebanese Muslims do not have a good reputation in Australia. It's possible France attracts the better sort for whatever reason. I think we need to be careful to tease out any possible cultural confounds before jumping on the race bandwagon. I.e. I'd be convinced if you could show that, for example, black African Christians behaved worse than Arab Muslims, but I'm not too convinced by attempts to attribute differences between Algerians and Lebanese to race. They seem too genetically similar to me. Algerians are not black, not even the Berbers.
  54. frederic says:
    @jtgw
    What an outrageous editorial. As you noted, Steve, the killers were not unemployed but benefited from France's make-work program for otherwise unemployable "youths". They also benefited from the free education and health-care of the French welfare state. If they had been unemployed, they would have been entitled to the dole. And they spent time in prison because they committed crimes; the NYT talks as if they were political prisoners (which do exist in France as a result of their absurd hate speech laws, but that's another story). They were just low-life parasitical thugs who deserve no sympathy.

    The attack on secularism represents the height of hypocrisy, coming from supposed liberals. I guess I can understand why bans on headscarves seems particularly intrusive even for a liberal who would object strenuously to allowing Christian kids to pray in the classroom, but that liberals should even question whether blasphemy should be on the law books beggars belief.

    I agree with Peter Akuleyev that we need to stop automatically thinking of French Muslims as a single entity. How does geographical origin affect Muslim behavior? I gather he's trying to imply that it's their Africanness that is responsible for their antisocial traits, but shouldn't that only apply to sub-Saharan Africans? North Africans are pretty close to Middle-Eastern Arabs, genetically speaking, are they not? If race is the factor, we'd expect North Africans and sub-Saharans to pattern differently, independent of religion.

    “They were just low-life parasitical thugs who deserve no sympathy.”

    from what i have read, they didn’t spent anytime in prison for regular crimes
    they weren’t know by the police as criminals for anything other than islamic and terror-related crime

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    Good to know that the NYT is lying on top of simply misrepresenting the facts.
  55. Hersh says:

    Is everyone watching Fox News all the time with its “no go zones” talk and its authority on terrorism, Steve Emerson, telling you all that Birmingham, England is completely Muslim?

    Fox News had to apologize for Emerson after the British Prime Minister called him an idiot and, finally, somebody at Fox had to check some facts. But they are still pounding the Muslim-hating.

    Here’s an interview with the Doug Saunders, author of “The Myth of the Muslim Tide” http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1501/18/fzgps.01.html (halfway down the page)

    ” The facts on this are very solid. Muslim minorities in European countries have grown during the last 20 years or so, in places like France during the last 50 years. France has the largest numbers where they have almost eight percent of the population who are Muslim. In other European countries it’s generally between about one and four or five percent.

    At most, in a couple of countries in Europe, Muslims could number around ten percent of the population within the next 20 or 30 years, but are likely to peak at that. So, in no country in Europe is there any chance of Muslims becoming a majority or even the largest minority except a couple of countries where they might become the second largest religion, which aren’t very religious countries and so on. So, the idea of population takeover, it’s simply mathematically impossible.”

    There was an antiPEGIDA march in Germany that got 4 times as many marchers as the PEGIDA march. Europeans don’t hate their Muslims.

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    Doug Saunders is a committed Open Borders advocate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Saunders

    He has been been peddling his "Don't Worry Be Jihadi" propaganda for a while now.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/myth-busting-doug-saunders-10-myths-about-muslims-in-the-west
    , @Jaakko Raipala
    "There was an antiPEGIDA march in Germany that got 4 times as many marchers as the PEGIDA march. Europeans don’t hate their Muslims."

    Street marches are for white trash and lefties. They're inherently low class or about socialist "solidarity with the masses" and it's not surprising that lefties outnumber everyone else in them. They always do.

    , @IA
    "Europeans don’t hate their Muslims."

    You are right. They fear them. They see how Muslims treat non-Muslims in muslim lands.
    , @anonymous
    Doug Saunders lives to destroy nations and bring about the one world government ...I don't know if he is jewish but I can't understand his motivations otherwise.

    You cannot believe what he says on this issue.

    All his books, his columns are the same propaganda. It's an obsession almost.

    He had one cheeky bit in the paper about the ethnic problems in England recounting the illiteracy, the disfunction, and disorder of the worst ethnic group...the big punchline at the end was he was speaking of working class whites!


    He's the enemy.
    , @iSteveFan

    At most, in a couple of countries in Europe, Muslims could number around ten percent of the population within the next 20 or 30 years, but are likely to peak at that. So, in no country in Europe is there any chance of Muslims becoming a majority or even the largest minority except a couple of countries where they might become the second largest religion, which aren’t very religious countries and so on. So, the idea of population takeover, it’s simply mathematically impossible.”
     
    Re: Doug Sanders

    This is the same type of thinking many had in the early 1990s when Pat Buchanan was sounding the alarm on immigration from latin america. No need to worry they said, they are not even 10 percent of the population. Whether they will become a 50% group or not, I don't know. But now that they have exceeded 10 percent, Spanish is a de facto second language and immigration reform, as in policies that will enforce our laws and guard our border, are pretty much off the table as the GOP leadership is afraid to alienate this new voting bloc.

    If Europeans are told to not worry about muslim population levels until they reach 50%, it will be too late to do anything about it. If you don't want to change your societies and countries, the time to act is before they reach 10 percent. Heck, maybe at 5% it might even be too late. But thinking you don't have a problem unless and until they reach 50% is suicidal.

    As for France,whatever their population level is, apparently the socialists now need their votes to win. This is an ominous sign. Once a party relies on a voting bloc, they will fight tooth-n-nail to keep it.

  56. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Jewish message on Muslims to whites in a nutshell:

    Hate Muslims for hating Jews.

    Love Muslims for hating you.

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  57. Isn’t the NYT in this case just acting as a mouthpiece for the US government? The president and government have been pushing the French to do ever more to assimilate the third-worlders into it’s society. Of course the French have to adjust to the newcomers, not the other way around; whatever they do, though, it’s never enough and more must be done to ‘close the gap’.

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  58. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Wilkey says:

    These immigrants never desired to be French. They desired to be Algerians or whatever while living a French quality of life.”

    Though Muslims can be violent, their violence has specific targets for what they deem to be moral causes.

    In contrast immigrants in France who assimilate into American rap culture and anarchist culture are utterly nihilistic in their violence and mayhem.

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  59. jtgw says:
    @Jim
    The examples you cite indicate that genetics is much more important than Islam per se. The genetic distance between Iranians and Greeks is about the same as that between Greeks and Englishmen. So Iranians are genetically closer to Europeans than Algerians.

    Of course the genetic distance between Europeans and African blacks is huge.

    Can you cite a source for that? And how about the Lebanese? Another commenter noted that Lebanese Muslims do not have a good reputation in Australia. It’s possible France attracts the better sort for whatever reason. I think we need to be careful to tease out any possible cultural confounds before jumping on the race bandwagon. I.e. I’d be convinced if you could show that, for example, black African Christians behaved worse than Arab Muslims, but I’m not too convinced by attempts to attribute differences between Algerians and Lebanese to race. They seem too genetically similar to me. Algerians are not black, not even the Berbers.

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    I knew a Maronite Lebanese guy at UCLA MBA school who was very French in dress and behavior. It took me awhile to figure out he wasn't French.
  60. jtgw says:
    @frederic
    "They were just low-life parasitical thugs who deserve no sympathy."

    from what i have read, they didn't spent anytime in prison for regular crimes
    they weren't know by the police as criminals for anything other than islamic and terror-related crime

    Good to know that the NYT is lying on top of simply misrepresenting the facts.

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  61. Jake says:

    I’m surprised it took them this long to trot out the marginalization excuse. During the riots (the 2009 ones, I think) they got it out before the last cars had finished burning.

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  62. map says:
    @george
    Cultural Marxism': a uniting theory for rightwingers who love to play the victim

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim

    Anti-Whitism: the unifying theory of all Leftism.

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  63. Ray P says:

    For those unfamiliar with it:

    Auster’s First Law of Majority-Minority Relations in Liberal Society:

    The worse any designated minority or alien group behaves in a liberal society, the bigger become the lies of Political Correctess in covering up for that group.

    The first corrolary of Auster’s First Law of Majority/Minority Relations in Liberal Society: The more egregiously any non-Western or non-white group behaves, the more evil whites are made to appear for noticing and drawing rational conclusions about that group’s bad behavior.

    The First Law and its corrolary are intrinsic to liberalism. Once the equality of all human groups is accepted as a given, any facts that make a minority or foreign group seem worse than the majority native group must be either covered up or blamed on the majority.

    View from the Right

    and a few consequences:

    When a society, acting with the purpose of eliminating all historic forms of exclusion and discrimination, including, ultimately, its own historic and ethnocultural identity as a society, admits large numbers of people into it who do not fit into it, either because of lower abilities or incompatible cultural/religious adhesions, the fact that they do not fit, when it is finally recognized, can only be blamed on the society itself. To blame the lack of fit on the newcomers would be to revive the very discrimination that their admission was meant to overcome. As long as the host society accepts the principle of non-discriminatory inclusion as the very basis of its own moral legitimacy, it must keep admitting more and more unassimilables, whose lack of ability to function in or identify with the society becomes more and more troublesome, a problem that, in accord with Auster’s First Law of Majority-Minority Relations in Liberal Society, must be blamed more and more on the racism of the society. Thus the more the society undoes itself in the name of indiscriminately including and favoring unassimilably diverse peoples, the more racist and guilty it becomes in its own eyes, leading to more and more minority preferences, speech codes, anti-hate laws, official lies, and the multicultural dismantling of the majority culture.

    View from the Right

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  64. outsider says:

    Maybe it would help if more people canceled their liberal newspaper subsriptions.

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  65. No-go-zonegate now developing:

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/jindal-condemns-imaginary-no-go-zones

    This has been getting a lot of play. Lots of people saying how stupid Fox News and Republicans are. Hardly any direct engagement with the question of whether there are, in fact, zones where the government has lost control and indigenous Europeans are at risk.

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    Hardly any direct engagement with the question of whether there are, in fact, zones where the government has lost control and indigenous Europeans are at risk.
     
    I don't have a citation off the top of my head, but reporting, starting in 2005, of the carbeques and rioting in Paris banlieues (autonomous suburbs) made it pretty clear that housing projects and various neighborhoods were no-go zones for the police. Sweeden has similar issues. To call it imaginary is propaganda.
    , @CJ
    Theodore Dalrymple's classic 2002 article on the zones sensibles, where even fire trucks and ambulances are attacked:

    The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris
  66. countenance says: • Website

    Obama basically said the same thing over the weekend.

    What are the French and Europeans supposed to do to integrate Muslim immigrants and subsequent generations of them born in Europe that they haven’t already been doing or trying to do for decades?

    Then there’s the more obvious question: Why are we supposed to assume that it’s even desirable to try to integrate a bunch of seventh century throwbacks into the greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever?

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    • Replies: @Hersh
    France can integrate Muslims by integrating them into the civil service/government sector that seems to be the biggest sector of French employment now. Government already controls it so government can do it.

    Civil service/government employment is much broader than in the US and even in private companies, there are employees appointed by public officials into permanent jobs.

    http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580121 "The French civil service is hard to define and can include employees of public corporations and exclude government employees. From what I can tell, even the French are confused by it."

    Have there been any polls of the French public and to what extent they hold the US responsible because of the Iraq War, which France opposed? Its only a few years ago that the Europeans were celebrating Obama hoping that he would turn the page on US war-starting.
    , @gzu
    "Why are we supposed to assume that it’s even desirable to try to integrate a bunch of seventh century throwbacks into the greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever?"

    People like you are proof that knowing that PC is bullshit is not a defence against being a retard.

    1. France is not the "greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever". You effing cartoon character.

    2. Just because Islam was founded in the 7th century, doesn't mean everyone who believes in it is a "7th century throwback". Do I need to remind you which century Christianity was founded?
  67. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Some think that French Jews will turn pro-French when the percentage of Muslims in France increases to a certain point. These people are idiots. South African Jews were anti-White when Whites were a small minority in South Africa. They’re anti-White to this day. The neocons support Muslim Arabs against the Christian minority in Syria. Human capital and religion than are more important than simple demographics.

    There will never be a point at which French Jews, or American Jews, will turn pro-French.

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  68. @jtgw
    Can you cite a source for that? And how about the Lebanese? Another commenter noted that Lebanese Muslims do not have a good reputation in Australia. It's possible France attracts the better sort for whatever reason. I think we need to be careful to tease out any possible cultural confounds before jumping on the race bandwagon. I.e. I'd be convinced if you could show that, for example, black African Christians behaved worse than Arab Muslims, but I'm not too convinced by attempts to attribute differences between Algerians and Lebanese to race. They seem too genetically similar to me. Algerians are not black, not even the Berbers.

    I knew a Maronite Lebanese guy at UCLA MBA school who was very French in dress and behavior. It took me awhile to figure out he wasn’t French.

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    I can well believe it for a Maronite; many of them don't even identify as Arabs and they are generally highly Gallicized in their culture, though Arabic has been their native language for centuries. For Muslims, I recall reading that Sunni Lebanese, remarkably, are of higher social status on average. It's the Shia Lebanese that are lowest status and most prone to bad behavior, e.g. Hezbullah. But that's just about how Lebanese behave in Lebanon; outside the country is another matter.
  69. jtgw says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I knew a Maronite Lebanese guy at UCLA MBA school who was very French in dress and behavior. It took me awhile to figure out he wasn't French.

    I can well believe it for a Maronite; many of them don’t even identify as Arabs and they are generally highly Gallicized in their culture, though Arabic has been their native language for centuries. For Muslims, I recall reading that Sunni Lebanese, remarkably, are of higher social status on average. It’s the Shia Lebanese that are lowest status and most prone to bad behavior, e.g. Hezbullah. But that’s just about how Lebanese behave in Lebanon; outside the country is another matter.

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  70. Svigor says:

    Cultural Marxism’: a uniting theory for rightwingers who love to play the victim

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim

    Leftists get very upset when someone tries to play with their toys. Leftists demand a sacred monopoly on playing the victim.

    The Eternal Revolution must destroy the Reactionary Counter-Revolution, and all that.

    The leftists perpetrate race-replacement … while claiming a sacred monopoly on victimhood. They’re definitely not evil, though.

    The attack on secularism represents the height of hypocrisy, coming from supposed liberals.

    Not if you realize that the Delusion of Equality and the Race-Replacement of European Peoples are the leftists’ only non-negotiable values. I suppose Leftists Shall Rule might be another.

    Yes it is striking to compare the almost reverential attitude that many on the left have to Islam and it’s sacred texts with their disdain and contempt for Christianity.

    I’m having a hard time recalling leftists ever disparaging Judaism, either. Which might seem a bit odd, given that Judaism springs from the most un-PC parts of the Bible, sans the leftist makeover in the New Testament.

    Auster’s First Law of Majority-Minority Relations in Liberal Society

    Auster enforced his own law less vigorously than (some of) those who took it up; Auster seemed to think Jews were excepted, but the latter thought they fit into it very neatly.

    The first corollary of Auster’s First Law of Majority/Minority Relations in Liberal Society: The more egregiously any non-Western or non-white group behaves, the more evil whites are made to appear for noticing and drawing rational conclusions about that group’s bad behavior.

    Yes, that certainly seems to be in effect here in the iSteve comments vis-a-vis Jews.

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  71. Svigor says:

    I’m being kind to Auster, if memory serves. Being honest, I seem to recall that he did his best to reverse himself and conform to his First Law of Majority-Minority Relations, when it came to Jews; he characterized whites who noticed and drew rational conclusions about Jews as evil (or crazy).

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    • Replies: @map
    To be fair to Auster, he did not see anything wrong with criticizing Jews. He just felt it was wrong to criticize Jews as Jews. Auster was explicitly against the "Is it good for the Jews" mentality if the Jews displayed it.
  72. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    NYT writes: “The profiles of the three attackers — Amedy Coulibaly and the brothers Chérif and Saïd Kouachi — are an indictment of the decades-long failure of France to address long-festering alienation and exclusion among too many Muslim immigrants and their French-born children.”

    Somebody should send them a copy of one of Peter Frost’s latest efforts:

    http://www.unz.com/pfrost/french-lesson/

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  73. Hersh says:
    @countenance
    Obama basically said the same thing over the weekend.

    What are the French and Europeans supposed to do to integrate Muslim immigrants and subsequent generations of them born in Europe that they haven't already been doing or trying to do for decades?

    Then there's the more obvious question: Why are we supposed to assume that it's even desirable to try to integrate a bunch of seventh century throwbacks into the greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever?

    France can integrate Muslims by integrating them into the civil service/government sector that seems to be the biggest sector of French employment now. Government already controls it so government can do it.

    Civil service/government employment is much broader than in the US and even in private companies, there are employees appointed by public officials into permanent jobs.

    http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580121 “The French civil service is hard to define and can include employees of public corporations and exclude government employees. From what I can tell, even the French are confused by it.”

    Have there been any polls of the French public and to what extent they hold the US responsible because of the Iraq War, which France opposed? Its only a few years ago that the Europeans were celebrating Obama hoping that he would turn the page on US war-starting.

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  74. Hersh says:

    This is in the NY Times today:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/20/world/europe/fox-news-becomes-unwilling-star-of-french-tv-show.html?_r=0

    “It is hard to say whether the apologies were the result of “Le Petit Journal’s” mockery; a campaign instigated by the program to inundate Fox News with emails; or Fox News’s realization that its reporting, which reinforced a popular conservative warning about a purported spread of Shariah in the Western world, was wrong.”

    Fox News with the Muslim-hating is going to harm efforts to stop Obama’s amnesty here in the US. Maybe that’s Murdoch’s plan, making all resistance to immigration look very bad-minded.

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  75. […] blogger Steve Sailer has a post up about how The New York Times is saying that France’s secularism helped cause the recent […]

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  76. @Hersh
    Is everyone watching Fox News all the time with its "no go zones" talk and its authority on terrorism, Steve Emerson, telling you all that Birmingham, England is completely Muslim?

    Fox News had to apologize for Emerson after the British Prime Minister called him an idiot and, finally, somebody at Fox had to check some facts. But they are still pounding the Muslim-hating.

    Here's an interview with the Doug Saunders, author of "The Myth of the Muslim Tide" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1501/18/fzgps.01.html (halfway down the page)

    " The facts on this are very solid. Muslim minorities in European countries have grown during the last 20 years or so, in places like France during the last 50 years. France has the largest numbers where they have almost eight percent of the population who are Muslim. In other European countries it's generally between about one and four or five percent.

    At most, in a couple of countries in Europe, Muslims could number around ten percent of the population within the next 20 or 30 years, but are likely to peak at that. So, in no country in Europe is there any chance of Muslims becoming a majority or even the largest minority except a couple of countries where they might become the second largest religion, which aren't very religious countries and so on. So, the idea of population takeover, it's simply mathematically impossible."

    There was an antiPEGIDA march in Germany that got 4 times as many marchers as the PEGIDA march. Europeans don't hate their Muslims.

    Doug Saunders is a committed Open Borders advocate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Saunders

    He has been been peddling his “Don’t Worry Be Jihadi” propaganda for a while now.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/myth-busting-doug-saunders-10-myths-about-muslims-in-the-west

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    • Replies: @Hersh
    Did you read that "jihadwatch" article? Its full of "what ifs" and "how abouts." They didn't hire any researchers to write that article. Is that organization affiliated with Daniel Pipes, originator of the "751 no go zones" lie?
  77. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    If lighting a thousand cars on fire on New Year's Eve is allowed to become a "tradition" among your guests, forget it, it's over.

    If you are allowing men from 1000s of miles away to move to your country and proceed to rape and pimp out 1000s of your daughters, you're finished.

    If every time some Muslim Jihadi maniac cuts the throat of a schoolgirl in Toulouse, or massacres a bunch of cartoonists or kosher grocery patrons, the message is that the true evil is noticing how often Muslim Jihadi guests do things like this, the fix is in.

    It was a true left/right combo to the European public: Persuade a still-traumatized post WW2 generation to stop having children because there's overpopulation and a Third World child you've never seen should be just as important to you as your own. Then when they've stopped, import those Third World children they didn't stop having in the Third World, and convince the public that now they have to treat these newcomers like the children they never had.

    Volia. A New People.

    On the money.

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  78. Forbes says:
    @International Jew
    No-go-zonegate now developing:
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/jindal-condemns-imaginary-no-go-zones

    This has been getting a lot of play. Lots of people saying how stupid Fox News and Republicans are. Hardly any direct engagement with the question of whether there are, in fact, zones where the government has lost control and indigenous Europeans are at risk.

    Hardly any direct engagement with the question of whether there are, in fact, zones where the government has lost control and indigenous Europeans are at risk.

    I don’t have a citation off the top of my head, but reporting, starting in 2005, of the carbeques and rioting in Paris banlieues (autonomous suburbs) made it pretty clear that housing projects and various neighborhoods were no-go zones for the police. Sweeden has similar issues. To call it imaginary is propaganda.

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    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    The real issue isn't "governments losing control", the real issue is that back when Sweden was homogeneous with only neighboring, Protestant northern Europeans as minorities/immigrants the government didn't really need to control much at all since certain rules could simply be assumed to hold with no enforcement or with enforcement through informal social pressures.

    Then you add some Somalians, Afghans etc in the picture and they don't share the unwritten codes. They either don't care about Swedish social pressures or they think Swedish disapproval of behavior that would be disapproved in Swedes as well is actually some form of racism. Meanwhile it's taboo to discuss these cultural differences because the country and the whole neighborhood has been so homogeneous in behavioral codes for such a long time that they've started assuming that it's the normal way of humanity and that even suggesting that some group doesn't share the same ideas is considered an accusation.

    It's not like the Swedish government wouldn't be able to control its immigrant suburbs, it's that the light handed recipes that you need for Swedes just leave the new immigrants running wild.
  79. HA says:
    @Hunsdon
    OK, that was hugely funny, HA. Well structured, with the Sine reference lurking underneath.

    Something tells me the NYT’s solution to the poverty and unemployment that caused this mess will involve bringing in a couple million more immigrants. Even if that somehow fails to produce the desired result (not saying it ever would, mind you, I’m just running through hypotheticals), these angry and impoverished young folk will surely feel less marginalized when an even larger share of France’s population looks exactly like them.

    And once that’s taken care of, the only jihadis we’ll have left to worry about are the engineers, PhD’s and doctors who blow up NY skyscrapers and Glasgow airports. I’m sure the NYT will have an easy fix for that, too.

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  80. Svigor says:

    France can integrate Muslims by integrating them into the civil service/government sector

    Or the French can actually solve the problem by integrating their Muslim population into Muslim countries. 100% guaranteed to work.

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  81. gzu says:
    @Jefferson
    "There is also the problem of France’s secularism."

    Since when did The New York Times have a problem with secularism ? When did secularism become a bad thing in their eyes ? Isn't everybody at The New York Times suppose to be Liberal Atheists who hate all forms of organized religion ? Oh I forgot the only religion they really hate is Christianity.

    More like they oppose laicite. Secularism, the way the practice it is very different from the way France or the Kemalists in Turkey do it.

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  82. gzu says:
    @countenance
    Obama basically said the same thing over the weekend.

    What are the French and Europeans supposed to do to integrate Muslim immigrants and subsequent generations of them born in Europe that they haven't already been doing or trying to do for decades?

    Then there's the more obvious question: Why are we supposed to assume that it's even desirable to try to integrate a bunch of seventh century throwbacks into the greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever?

    “Why are we supposed to assume that it’s even desirable to try to integrate a bunch of seventh century throwbacks into the greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever?”

    People like you are proof that knowing that PC is bullshit is not a defence against being a retard.

    1. France is not the “greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever”. You effing cartoon character.

    2. Just because Islam was founded in the 7th century, doesn’t mean everyone who believes in it is a “7th century throwback”. Do I need to remind you which century Christianity was founded?

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    1. France is not the “greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever”. You effing cartoon character.
     
    Actually rural France is pretty damn wonderful, and I believe Paris is neat if you can survive "the vibrant horde of the Gare du Nord"
    , @rod1963
    Well given that many of your Muzzie buddies seem to love the Koran and Shariah across the Muslim world - even in the gulf states and want to impose it on the West pretty much says they love Shariah's 7th century values. Same with the coran with its injunctions of eternal war against unbelievers, killing those who criticize Islam, turning women into chattel, and religious minorities into sub-human creatures.

    Do I need to get into the Islamic sanctioned pederasty and bestiality that is part and parcel of both ancient and modern day Islam as well?

    Islam doesn't fit in the West, it's not even fit for human beings. I
  83. @Hersh
    Is everyone watching Fox News all the time with its "no go zones" talk and its authority on terrorism, Steve Emerson, telling you all that Birmingham, England is completely Muslim?

    Fox News had to apologize for Emerson after the British Prime Minister called him an idiot and, finally, somebody at Fox had to check some facts. But they are still pounding the Muslim-hating.

    Here's an interview with the Doug Saunders, author of "The Myth of the Muslim Tide" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1501/18/fzgps.01.html (halfway down the page)

    " The facts on this are very solid. Muslim minorities in European countries have grown during the last 20 years or so, in places like France during the last 50 years. France has the largest numbers where they have almost eight percent of the population who are Muslim. In other European countries it's generally between about one and four or five percent.

    At most, in a couple of countries in Europe, Muslims could number around ten percent of the population within the next 20 or 30 years, but are likely to peak at that. So, in no country in Europe is there any chance of Muslims becoming a majority or even the largest minority except a couple of countries where they might become the second largest religion, which aren't very religious countries and so on. So, the idea of population takeover, it's simply mathematically impossible."

    There was an antiPEGIDA march in Germany that got 4 times as many marchers as the PEGIDA march. Europeans don't hate their Muslims.

    “There was an antiPEGIDA march in Germany that got 4 times as many marchers as the PEGIDA march. Europeans don’t hate their Muslims.”

    Street marches are for white trash and lefties. They’re inherently low class or about socialist “solidarity with the masses” and it’s not surprising that lefties outnumber everyone else in them. They always do.

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    Lol wishful thinking.

    Don't assume that all muslims are the same. Also don't assume that all Euro countries are equally suicidal.
  84. @Forbes

    Hardly any direct engagement with the question of whether there are, in fact, zones where the government has lost control and indigenous Europeans are at risk.
     
    I don't have a citation off the top of my head, but reporting, starting in 2005, of the carbeques and rioting in Paris banlieues (autonomous suburbs) made it pretty clear that housing projects and various neighborhoods were no-go zones for the police. Sweeden has similar issues. To call it imaginary is propaganda.

    The real issue isn’t “governments losing control”, the real issue is that back when Sweden was homogeneous with only neighboring, Protestant northern Europeans as minorities/immigrants the government didn’t really need to control much at all since certain rules could simply be assumed to hold with no enforcement or with enforcement through informal social pressures.

    Then you add some Somalians, Afghans etc in the picture and they don’t share the unwritten codes. They either don’t care about Swedish social pressures or they think Swedish disapproval of behavior that would be disapproved in Swedes as well is actually some form of racism. Meanwhile it’s taboo to discuss these cultural differences because the country and the whole neighborhood has been so homogeneous in behavioral codes for such a long time that they’ve started assuming that it’s the normal way of humanity and that even suggesting that some group doesn’t share the same ideas is considered an accusation.

    It’s not like the Swedish government wouldn’t be able to control its immigrant suburbs, it’s that the light handed recipes that you need for Swedes just leave the new immigrants running wild.

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  85. Hersh says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Doug Saunders is a committed Open Borders advocate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Saunders

    He has been been peddling his "Don't Worry Be Jihadi" propaganda for a while now.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/myth-busting-doug-saunders-10-myths-about-muslims-in-the-west

    Did you read that “jihadwatch” article? Its full of “what ifs” and “how abouts.” They didn’t hire any researchers to write that article. Is that organization affiliated with Daniel Pipes, originator of the “751 no go zones” lie?

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  86. gzu says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    "There was an antiPEGIDA march in Germany that got 4 times as many marchers as the PEGIDA march. Europeans don’t hate their Muslims."

    Street marches are for white trash and lefties. They're inherently low class or about socialist "solidarity with the masses" and it's not surprising that lefties outnumber everyone else in them. They always do.

    Lol wishful thinking.

    Don’t assume that all muslims are the same. Also don’t assume that all Euro countries are equally suicidal.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Don’t assume that all muslims are the same. Also don’t assume that all Euro countries are equally suicidal.
     
    Oh, but they are. They are equal in the sense that no "Euro" countries are suicidal.
  87. Looks like the NYT is getting ready to launch a 10-part Nicholas Kristof series, “When French people just don’t get it.” Oh, l’humanité!

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  88. @awesome
    Off topic: why, when I type 'fat' into my phone does the auto correct change it to 'eat'? Is there a subversive operative working within the android pc police?

    “why, when I type ‘fat’ into my phone does the auto correct change it to ‘eat’” ?

    When I type “mum” the first choice I get is “nun”. How many times does that word occur in a text ?

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  89. @gzu
    "Why are we supposed to assume that it’s even desirable to try to integrate a bunch of seventh century throwbacks into the greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever?"

    People like you are proof that knowing that PC is bullshit is not a defence against being a retard.

    1. France is not the "greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever". You effing cartoon character.

    2. Just because Islam was founded in the 7th century, doesn't mean everyone who believes in it is a "7th century throwback". Do I need to remind you which century Christianity was founded?

    1. France is not the “greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever”. You effing cartoon character.

    Actually rural France is pretty damn wonderful, and I believe Paris is neat if you can survive “the vibrant horde of the Gare du Nord”

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Also watch out for les gitanes (gypsies) around tourist spots such as the Louvre, Eiffel Tower, Aux Printemps, Gallerie Lafayette, et cetera, in addition to the ever popular AmEx office.
  90. NYT has taken a page from Mandela’s autobiography:

    “the white man has a more difficult task than the black man in this country. Whenever there is a problem, we have to find a solution. But whenever you blacks have a problem you have an excuse. You can simply say, ‘Ingabilungu’””. We burst into laughter not only because his pronunciation was unintentionally comical, but also because we were amused by the idea. “Ngabelungu” is a Xhosa expression that means, “It is the whites.”

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  91. jo s'more says:

    Put simply and bluntly – if the Muslims don’t like life in France, then there’s nothing stopping them from going home.

    Their own laziness and greed stops them. If they go home there is no free food, free housing, free education, free healthcare or unarmed wimps to rob, rape etc. If they live that lifestyle at home, they won’t be living long.

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  92. CJ says:
    @International Jew
    No-go-zonegate now developing:
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/jindal-condemns-imaginary-no-go-zones

    This has been getting a lot of play. Lots of people saying how stupid Fox News and Republicans are. Hardly any direct engagement with the question of whether there are, in fact, zones where the government has lost control and indigenous Europeans are at risk.

    Theodore Dalrymple’s classic 2002 article on the zones sensibles, where even fire trucks and ambulances are attacked:

    The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Theodore Dalrymple’s classic 2002 article on the zones sensibles, where even fire trucks and ambulances are attacked:
     
    We have those in North Philadelphia as well.
  93. IA says:
    @Hersh
    Is everyone watching Fox News all the time with its "no go zones" talk and its authority on terrorism, Steve Emerson, telling you all that Birmingham, England is completely Muslim?

    Fox News had to apologize for Emerson after the British Prime Minister called him an idiot and, finally, somebody at Fox had to check some facts. But they are still pounding the Muslim-hating.

    Here's an interview with the Doug Saunders, author of "The Myth of the Muslim Tide" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1501/18/fzgps.01.html (halfway down the page)

    " The facts on this are very solid. Muslim minorities in European countries have grown during the last 20 years or so, in places like France during the last 50 years. France has the largest numbers where they have almost eight percent of the population who are Muslim. In other European countries it's generally between about one and four or five percent.

    At most, in a couple of countries in Europe, Muslims could number around ten percent of the population within the next 20 or 30 years, but are likely to peak at that. So, in no country in Europe is there any chance of Muslims becoming a majority or even the largest minority except a couple of countries where they might become the second largest religion, which aren't very religious countries and so on. So, the idea of population takeover, it's simply mathematically impossible."

    There was an antiPEGIDA march in Germany that got 4 times as many marchers as the PEGIDA march. Europeans don't hate their Muslims.

    “Europeans don’t hate their Muslims.”

    You are right. They fear them. They see how Muslims treat non-Muslims in muslim lands.

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  94. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Free speech needs to be protected but it’s useless.

    It’s Paid Speech that really counts.

    We all have free speech. But it’s the paid speech of powerful and/or well-connected people that are heard.

    All those talking heads on TV are well-paid. They don’t practice free speech but paid speech. And since they are paid for their services, they must serve those who pay for their speech.
    Politicians are paid to say certain things. Obama was bankrolled to make certain kinds of speeches by the globo-oligarchs.

    Rush Limbaugh is no longer anti-’gay marriage’. He is paid by his advertisers who threatened to boycott him unless he gets on the bandwagon of ‘gay marriage’. That fatass isn’t about free speech but paid speech. But paid speech is what we hear in the media.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    If Rush Limbaugh is no longer against gay marriage, it's probably because of his positive experiences with gay people. Elton John performed at Rush's most recent wedding, and the two have spoken positively of each other.

    I can't think of an issue offhand where Rush has been intimidated by a boycott threat. There is no shortage of advertisers willing to advertise on his show, and Rush even carves out a percentage of ad time to promote his own businesses (his line of iced teas and children's books). Plus, Rush has more money than he will ever need.
  95. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anon
    Free speech needs to be protected but it's useless.

    It's Paid Speech that really counts.

    We all have free speech. But it's the paid speech of powerful and/or well-connected people that are heard.

    All those talking heads on TV are well-paid. They don't practice free speech but paid speech. And since they are paid for their services, they must serve those who pay for their speech.
    Politicians are paid to say certain things. Obama was bankrolled to make certain kinds of speeches by the globo-oligarchs.

    Rush Limbaugh is no longer anti-'gay marriage'. He is paid by his advertisers who threatened to boycott him unless he gets on the bandwagon of 'gay marriage'. That fatass isn't about free speech but paid speech. But paid speech is what we hear in the media.

    If Rush Limbaugh is no longer against gay marriage, it’s probably because of his positive experiences with gay people. Elton John performed at Rush’s most recent wedding, and the two have spoken positively of each other.

    I can’t think of an issue offhand where Rush has been intimidated by a boycott threat. There is no shortage of advertisers willing to advertise on his show, and Rush even carves out a percentage of ad time to promote his own businesses (his line of iced teas and children’s books). Plus, Rush has more money than he will ever need.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "If Rush Limbaugh is no longer against gay marriage, it’s probably because of his positive experiences with gay people."

    Suppose Limbaugh meets some kindly Palestinian-Americans. Do you think he will change his position on the Middle East crisis?

    Fat chance.
  96. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Speaking of France, Buzzfeed sent Rosie Gray to Paris to report on the National Front. She interviewed some of the youth activists as well as Jean-Marie Le Pen: http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/frances-far-right-party-seizes-the-moment-and-the-youth?utm_term=.jnKBEn4lo#.yeV94J0VPE

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  97. rod1963 says:
    @gzu
    "Why are we supposed to assume that it’s even desirable to try to integrate a bunch of seventh century throwbacks into the greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever?"

    People like you are proof that knowing that PC is bullshit is not a defence against being a retard.

    1. France is not the "greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever". You effing cartoon character.

    2. Just because Islam was founded in the 7th century, doesn't mean everyone who believes in it is a "7th century throwback". Do I need to remind you which century Christianity was founded?

    Well given that many of your Muzzie buddies seem to love the Koran and Shariah across the Muslim world – even in the gulf states and want to impose it on the West pretty much says they love Shariah’s 7th century values. Same with the coran with its injunctions of eternal war against unbelievers, killing those who criticize Islam, turning women into chattel, and religious minorities into sub-human creatures.

    Do I need to get into the Islamic sanctioned pederasty and bestiality that is part and parcel of both ancient and modern day Islam as well?

    Islam doesn’t fit in the West, it’s not even fit for human beings. I

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  98. Ivy says:
    @Anonymous Nephew

    1. France is not the “greatest society, culture, economy and civilization ever”. You effing cartoon character.
     
    Actually rural France is pretty damn wonderful, and I believe Paris is neat if you can survive "the vibrant horde of the Gare du Nord"

    Also watch out for les gitanes (gypsies) around tourist spots such as the Louvre, Eiffel Tower, Aux Printemps, Gallerie Lafayette, et cetera, in addition to the ever popular AmEx office.

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  99. map says:
    @Svigor
    I'm being kind to Auster, if memory serves. Being honest, I seem to recall that he did his best to reverse himself and conform to his First Law of Majority-Minority Relations, when it came to Jews; he characterized whites who noticed and drew rational conclusions about Jews as evil (or crazy).

    To be fair to Auster, he did not see anything wrong with criticizing Jews. He just felt it was wrong to criticize Jews as Jews. Auster was explicitly against the “Is it good for the Jews” mentality if the Jews displayed it.

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  100. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Really despicable of NYT. If you are going to blame an entity… well, what do the perps of 9-11,
    Bali, London Tube bombings, Paris, Fort Hood, Beslan and ISIS all have in common, hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …well, what do the perps of 9-11,
    Bali, London Tube bombings, Paris, Fort Hood, Beslan and ISIS all have in common, hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

     

    They're all Semitic!

    Okay, not the Malays at Bali or the Chechens at Beslan. But the former preferred Semitic names, and the latter (until recently) a Semitic script, so they had been assimilated to Semitic culture.
  101. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Paris Attacks Lay Bare Longtime Muslim Exclusion

    The political elite deliberately imported most immigrants from the bottom of the economic pile to drive down wages so naturally the majority of those people end up sitting at the bottom of the pile in their new country getting bitter and angry.

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  102. Svigor says:

    The idea that most people on the liberal-left are wealthy brats is a big generalisation.

    Not to people in India – that’s the context I meant it; in the context leftism is one of those things that only whites in rich countries can afford.

    Besides, I love big generalizations.

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  103. Svigor says:

    To be fair to Auster, he did not see anything wrong with criticizing Jews. He just felt it was wrong to criticize Jews as Jews. Auster was explicitly against the “Is it good for the Jews” mentality if the Jews displayed it.

    Right. Counting Jews as a minority for the purposes of his law drove him up the wall. Everyone was supposed to see “white liberal,” and pretend “Jewish liberal” didn’t exist, I guess. Classic unprincipled exception.

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  104. anon says: • Disclaimer

    At most, in a couple of countries in Europe, Muslims could number around ten percent of the population within the next 20 or 30 years, but are likely to peak at that. So, in no country in Europe is there any chance of Muslims becoming a majority

    The pro-immigration lobby tries to deceive people by talking about total numbers and leaving out the two key factors which are concentration and age and gender distribution.

    Because most immigrants to the West were drawn from the bottom of the pile to drive down wages they are mostly concentrated in what used to be the working class areas of the big cities where they have already mostly displaced the native working class population that used to live there. So even with a total population percentage as low as 15% ish most European countries will see most of their cities with a native minority very soon.

    In countries with diverse immigrant populations that will have varying outcomes – in Birmingham for example it regularly leads to pitched battles between different ethnic minority groups.

    It is only countries like France and Sweden where the bulk of the immigrants form a single cohesive bloc that will descend into civil war in the cities and very soon – ten years at most.

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  105. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Hersh
    Is everyone watching Fox News all the time with its "no go zones" talk and its authority on terrorism, Steve Emerson, telling you all that Birmingham, England is completely Muslim?

    Fox News had to apologize for Emerson after the British Prime Minister called him an idiot and, finally, somebody at Fox had to check some facts. But they are still pounding the Muslim-hating.

    Here's an interview with the Doug Saunders, author of "The Myth of the Muslim Tide" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1501/18/fzgps.01.html (halfway down the page)

    " The facts on this are very solid. Muslim minorities in European countries have grown during the last 20 years or so, in places like France during the last 50 years. France has the largest numbers where they have almost eight percent of the population who are Muslim. In other European countries it's generally between about one and four or five percent.

    At most, in a couple of countries in Europe, Muslims could number around ten percent of the population within the next 20 or 30 years, but are likely to peak at that. So, in no country in Europe is there any chance of Muslims becoming a majority or even the largest minority except a couple of countries where they might become the second largest religion, which aren't very religious countries and so on. So, the idea of population takeover, it's simply mathematically impossible."

    There was an antiPEGIDA march in Germany that got 4 times as many marchers as the PEGIDA march. Europeans don't hate their Muslims.

    Doug Saunders lives to destroy nations and bring about the one world government …I don’t know if he is jewish but I can’t understand his motivations otherwise.

    You cannot believe what he says on this issue.

    All his books, his columns are the same propaganda. It’s an obsession almost.

    He had one cheeky bit in the paper about the ethnic problems in England recounting the illiteracy, the disfunction, and disorder of the worst ethnic group…the big punchline at the end was he was speaking of working class whites!

    He’s the enemy.

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  106. @gzu
    Lol wishful thinking.

    Don't assume that all muslims are the same. Also don't assume that all Euro countries are equally suicidal.

    Don’t assume that all muslims are the same. Also don’t assume that all Euro countries are equally suicidal.

    Oh, but they are. They are equal in the sense that no “Euro” countries are suicidal.

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  107. @CJ
    Theodore Dalrymple's classic 2002 article on the zones sensibles, where even fire trucks and ambulances are attacked:

    The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris

    Theodore Dalrymple’s classic 2002 article on the zones sensibles, where even fire trucks and ambulances are attacked:

    We have those in North Philadelphia as well.

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  108. Jefferson says:

    “Algerians are not black, not even the Berbers.”

    Algerians are racial mutts. On average they are not Black like Nigerians, but they are “Black” in the one drop rule sense.

    The average Algerian is 18 percent Sub Saharan African.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_North_Africa#Admixture_analysis

    That is enough Sub Saharan ancestry to be considered Black in the Deep American South during Jim Crow.

    Algerians are like the Caribbean Hispanics of the Arab world in terms of racial muttness.

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  109. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    If Rush Limbaugh is no longer against gay marriage, it's probably because of his positive experiences with gay people. Elton John performed at Rush's most recent wedding, and the two have spoken positively of each other.

    I can't think of an issue offhand where Rush has been intimidated by a boycott threat. There is no shortage of advertisers willing to advertise on his show, and Rush even carves out a percentage of ad time to promote his own businesses (his line of iced teas and children's books). Plus, Rush has more money than he will ever need.

    “If Rush Limbaugh is no longer against gay marriage, it’s probably because of his positive experiences with gay people.”

    Suppose Limbaugh meets some kindly Palestinian-Americans. Do you think he will change his position on the Middle East crisis?

    Fat chance.

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    • Replies: @Hersh
    Yes, if Rush met some nice Muslims he actually could change. It seemed like he got a lot more proIsrael with the Jewish third wife. He used to be hugely proBush family but he's been sounding off against Jeb.

    If he thinks his audience is more anti-intervention now, he'll go in that direction himself. I don't think he has had much to say about Rand Paul so he's leaving it open.
  110. Jefferson says:

    “Suppose Limbaugh meets some kindly Palestinian-Americans. Do you think he will change his position on the Middle East crisis?

    Fat chance.”

    Suppose you Anon met some kindly Jewish Americans. Would you all of a sudden become pro-Israel ? Fat chance.

    So how are you any different than Rush Limbaugh in that regard ?

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  111. @Anonymous
    Really despicable of NYT. If you are going to blame an entity... well, what do the perps of 9-11,
    Bali, London Tube bombings, Paris, Fort Hood, Beslan and ISIS all have in common, hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

    …well, what do the perps of 9-11,
    Bali, London Tube bombings, Paris, Fort Hood, Beslan and ISIS all have in common, hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

    They’re all Semitic!

    Okay, not the Malays at Bali or the Chechens at Beslan. But the former preferred Semitic names, and the latter (until recently) a Semitic script, so they had been assimilated to Semitic culture.

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  112. iSteveFan says:
    @Hersh
    Is everyone watching Fox News all the time with its "no go zones" talk and its authority on terrorism, Steve Emerson, telling you all that Birmingham, England is completely Muslim?

    Fox News had to apologize for Emerson after the British Prime Minister called him an idiot and, finally, somebody at Fox had to check some facts. But they are still pounding the Muslim-hating.

    Here's an interview with the Doug Saunders, author of "The Myth of the Muslim Tide" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1501/18/fzgps.01.html (halfway down the page)

    " The facts on this are very solid. Muslim minorities in European countries have grown during the last 20 years or so, in places like France during the last 50 years. France has the largest numbers where they have almost eight percent of the population who are Muslim. In other European countries it's generally between about one and four or five percent.

    At most, in a couple of countries in Europe, Muslims could number around ten percent of the population within the next 20 or 30 years, but are likely to peak at that. So, in no country in Europe is there any chance of Muslims becoming a majority or even the largest minority except a couple of countries where they might become the second largest religion, which aren't very religious countries and so on. So, the idea of population takeover, it's simply mathematically impossible."

    There was an antiPEGIDA march in Germany that got 4 times as many marchers as the PEGIDA march. Europeans don't hate their Muslims.

    At most, in a couple of countries in Europe, Muslims could number around ten percent of the population within the next 20 or 30 years, but are likely to peak at that. So, in no country in Europe is there any chance of Muslims becoming a majority or even the largest minority except a couple of countries where they might become the second largest religion, which aren’t very religious countries and so on. So, the idea of population takeover, it’s simply mathematically impossible.”

    Re: Doug Sanders

    This is the same type of thinking many had in the early 1990s when Pat Buchanan was sounding the alarm on immigration from latin america. No need to worry they said, they are not even 10 percent of the population. Whether they will become a 50% group or not, I don’t know. But now that they have exceeded 10 percent, Spanish is a de facto second language and immigration reform, as in policies that will enforce our laws and guard our border, are pretty much off the table as the GOP leadership is afraid to alienate this new voting bloc.

    If Europeans are told to not worry about muslim population levels until they reach 50%, it will be too late to do anything about it. If you don’t want to change your societies and countries, the time to act is before they reach 10 percent. Heck, maybe at 5% it might even be too late. But thinking you don’t have a problem unless and until they reach 50% is suicidal.

    As for France,whatever their population level is, apparently the socialists now need their votes to win. This is an ominous sign. Once a party relies on a voting bloc, they will fight tooth-n-nail to keep it.

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  113. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @TomB
    Oh you guys: Just wait. Any day now the Times will come out with an entirely consistent editorial blasting Israel's treatment of its Third World immigrants, the settlers' absolute ethnocentrism, and how Israel treats its own Beduin communities.

    Any day now.

    You just wait...

    Have you ever read a NY Times editorial about Israel? Guess not.

    Moron.

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  114. Hersh says:
    @Anon
    "If Rush Limbaugh is no longer against gay marriage, it’s probably because of his positive experiences with gay people."

    Suppose Limbaugh meets some kindly Palestinian-Americans. Do you think he will change his position on the Middle East crisis?

    Fat chance.

    Yes, if Rush met some nice Muslims he actually could change. It seemed like he got a lot more proIsrael with the Jewish third wife. He used to be hugely proBush family but he’s been sounding off against Jeb.

    If he thinks his audience is more anti-intervention now, he’ll go in that direction himself. I don’t think he has had much to say about Rand Paul so he’s leaving it open.

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  115. Jefferson says:

    “They’re all Semitic!

    Okay, not the Malays at Bali or the Chechens at Beslan. But the former preferred Semitic names, and the latter (until recently) a Semitic script, so they had been assimilated to Semitic culture.”

    The Tsarnaev Brothers look like they can pass for Semitic. They look closer to Syrians in phenotype than than they do to Swedes.

    When I first saw their pictures I thought they were Levantines. They certainly do not look very Slavic. One of the brothers even has very curly black hair which is very common among Semitic Middle Eastern people.

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