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From the New York Times Magazine:

Why ‘Black Panther’ Is a Defining Moment for Black America

Ryan Coogler’s film is a vivid re-imagination of something black Americans have cherished for centuries — Africa as a dream of our wholeness, greatness and self-realization.

By CARVELL WALLACE FEB. 12, 2018

… Wakanda’s rulers have wisely kept their homeland and its elemental riches hidden from the world, and in its isolation the nation has grown wildly powerful and technologically advanced. Its secret, of course, is inevitably discovered, and as the world’s evil powers plot to extract the resources of yet another African nation, T’Challa’s father is cruelly assassinated, forcing the end of Wakanda’s sequestration. The young king will be forced to don the virtually indestructible vibranium Black Panther suit and face a duplicitous world on behalf of his people. …

None of this is because “Black Panther” is the first major black superhero movie. Far from it. …

Around the time he was wrapping up “Creed,” Coogler made his first journey to the continent, visiting Kenya, South Africa and the Kingdom of Lesotho, a tiny nation in the center of the South African landmass. Tucked high amid rough mountains, Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it. …

When I was a kid, I refused to eat watermelon in front of white people. …

“Black Panther” is a Hollywood movie, and Wakanda is a fictional nation. But coming when they do, from a director like Coogler, they must also function as a place for multiple generations of black Americans to store some of our most deeply held aspirations. We have for centuries sought to either find or create a promised land where we would be untroubled by the criminal horrors of our American existence. From Paul Cuffee’s attempts in 1811 to repatriate blacks to Sierra Leone and Marcus Garvey’s back-to-Africa Black Star shipping line to the Afrocentric movements of the ’60s and ’70s, black people have populated the Africa of our imagination with our most yearning attempts at self-realization. In my earliest memories, the Africa of my family was a warm fever dream, seen on the record covers I stared at alone, the sun setting over glowing, haloed Afros, the smell of incense and oils at the homes of my father’s friends — a beauty so pure as to make the world outside, one of car commercials and blond sitcom families, feel empty and perverse in comparison. …

… This is why it doesn’t matter that Wakanda was an idea from a comic book, created by two Jewish artists. No one knows colonization better than the colonized, and black folks wasted no time in recolonizing Wakanda. No genocide or takeover of land was required. Wakanda is ours now. We do with it as we please.

Until recently, most popular speculation on what the future would be like had been provided by white writers and futurists, like Isaac Asimov and Gene Roddenberry. Not coincidentally, these futures tended to carry the power dynamics of the present into perpetuity. Think of the original “Star Trek,” with its peaceful, international crew, still under the charge of a white man from Iowa. …

The artistic movement called Afrofuturism, a decidedly black creation, is meant to go far beyond the limitations of the white imagination. It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space. It is the idea that we will have won the future.

… At the heart of Wakanda, she suggests, lie some of our most excruciating existential questions: “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?”…

Afrofuturism is like, ‘We already won.’ ” Comic books are uniquely suited to handling this proposition. …

Can films like these significantly change things for black people in America? …

Beyond the question of what the movie will bring to African-Americans sits what might be a more important question: What will black people bring to “Black Panther”? The film arrives as a corporate product, but we are using it for our own purposes, posting with unbridled ardor about what we’re going to wear to the opening night, announcing the depths of the squads we’ll be rolling with, declaring that Feb. 16, 2018, will be “the Blackest Day in History.”

… We hold one another as a family because we must be a family in order to survive. Our individual successes and failures belong, in a perfectly real sense, to all of us. That can be for good or ill. But when it is good, it is very good. It is sunlight and gold on vast African mountains, it is the shining splendor of the Wakandan warriors poised and ready to fight, it is a collective soul as timeless and indestructible as vibranium. And with this love we seek to make the future ours, by making the present ours. We seek to make a place where we belong.

 
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  1. CARVELL WALLACE

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    , @Captain Tripps
    Did Tone Loc change his name?

    https://youtu.be/387ZDGSKVSg
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Carvell makes great candies.
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  2. TheBoom says:

    The fact that the only way that blacks can create an advanced civilization that makes them proud is in a comic is all very depressing and telling. The fact that it was created by two Jews is even more telling.

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    Thereby ends this thread.
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  3. If there were black science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?

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    Would it blow your mind if they were named Spider?
    , @El Dato
    You mean to imply that Dhalgren is actually a black novel?

    That would be .... mindblowing.
    , @The Plutonium Kid
    Well, one of them would be named Octavia Butler.
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    No, they'd be named https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nnedi_Okorafor
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Correction: "If there were black, homosexual science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?"

    Delaney is one of the greats. Octavia Butler? Meh!

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  4. J.Ross says: • Website

    >Lesotho was spared the colonization of its neighbors
    Inhale. Remember this guy has a university degree from a school that teaches journalism, a job at a major periodical, and access to more data faster than everyone in most of history. Count the number of internationally unacknowedged “homelands” and then exhale.

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  5. J.Ross says: • Website

    Afrofuturism is like, ‘We already won.’ ” Comic books are uniquely suited to handling this proposition.

    I don’t think there’s a good response to this because it’s too snarky to itself.

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  6. FozzieT says:

    Why is American-Real-City Wauconda better in quality-of-life than nearly every city in Africa and every African-American city, other than fictional African Wakanda? Seriously, why do these people not move back to their motherland and away from this racist country?

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  7. Clyde says:

    How stupid can people be, it’s a freakin comic book. A movie based on a comic book character and some people are going nuts praising it. When I was little I learned to read by reading comic books, they were simple disposable trash for the kiddies, nothing more.

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  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks would be better off told the truth: as a group, they don’t have “the necessities”.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Campanis#Controversy
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  9. Lesotho, eh?

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-harrell-lesotho-metoo-sexual-violence-20171208-story.html

    “The director of a local aid organization told me grown men regularly flirt with her 8-year-old daughter in the grocery store…”

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    Wow.

    I suppose, in a way, it is a kind of paradise...
    , @AndrewR
    My dad once took me to an ice cream stand in northern Michigan. The woman working it was in her 50s and very obese. After serving me my cone, she asked my age. After I told her, she said "you're pretty sexy for an eight year old." My dad just grinned and patted me on the back proudly.
    , @Bill B.
    One in four of the people of Lethoso are HIV positive. I'd forgotten about that.
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  10. Flip says:

    After his “Rumble in the Jungle” in Zaire, Muhammad Ali was asked: “Champ, what did you think of Africa?” He replied, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”

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    A great quote you can rarely find a reference to today. A boxer wbo ended up getting brain damage and developing Parkinsons disease understood reality better than so many people who are considered intellectuals today.
    , @Roderick Spode

    Dinesh D'Souza, America: Imagine a World without Her (2014), Ch. 8. Most likely a misattribution. A Newsweek article at the time of the match attributed the quote "Thank God our grandpappies caught that boat!" to George Foreman's manager Dick Sadler. "It Takes a Heap of Salongo", Newsweek (September 23, 1974), p. 72.
     
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali
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  11. Nicely written. I wish him the best. It’s very important to have a spiritual home, even when it’s fictional. As all of them are.

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    Yeah, the Ireland that the Boston Irish reminisce about exists only in that happy place that exists only when they go over the Guinness limit.
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    Yup. Ironclad (or should I say Vibranium-clad) immigration controls and a socio-economic structure based on Magic Dirt.

    Wow, just wow. I can't even.
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  13. JohnnyD says:

    I guess diversity isn’t Wakanda’s greatest strength!

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    "Diversity" is just leftist code for as few white gentiles as possible. So, for example, a country that is 100% white gentile has low diversity but one that is 100% black has high diversity.
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  14. OT

    Vice Airs Documentary On White ‘Healing Retreats’ For People Who Need ‘A Break From Black People’

    …A new video from Vice News published Friday focuses on a healing retreats for “White Girls” where participants can go to get away from blacks.

    The founder says that blacks are so destructive that they “shouldn’t even have passports.”

    The retreat is called the “White Girl Healing Retreat” and takes place in Árborg, Iceland. Vice News notes that it “specifically banned blacks.”

    The narrator notes that one attendee “needed a break–from black people.”

    The founder, Kaitlyn Wallace, expressed the opinion that blacks–but black Americans specifically, shouldn’t be allowed to have passports or travel.

    “I have no tips for a black person” she said. “My tip to black people is to let us have our space, let us have our room, and go hang out with other black people. We’re okay. You know, you’ve done enough damage.”

    The video also specifically notes that more white women are choosing to come to this retreat due to the current American political climate under President Trump.

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    Though Iceland was a member of NATO, not all US troops were welcome there.

    The Iceland Defense Force (IDF) was a military command of the United States Armed Forces from 1951 to 2006. The IDF, created at the request of NATO, came into existence when the United States signed an agreement to provide for the defense of Iceland, which has only limited defense forces....

    From 1951 to 1959, a secret ban was imposed by the Icelandic government on the stationing of black US troops in Iceland. This racial ban was disclosed in late 1959. The Icelandic government relented somewhat from this policy in 1961, when it declared that it "will not oppose the inclusion of three or four colored soldiers in the Defense Force, but hopes that they will be carefully selected". The number of black troops increased gradually throughout the 1960s, and all restrictions were most likely unofficially withdrawn in the 1970s or 1980s.
     
    According to an article in the Journal of Cold War Studies, the ban was for the purposes of protecting Icelandic women and preserving a homogeneous national body.
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  15. Anon7 says:

    I, too, dreamed of an unspoiled African kingdom of my own, free from all day those European rules about etiquette and school.

    It wa called the Escarpment and it played a part in lots of the great Tarzan films of the Thirties and Forties, which I watched as a child in the Sixties.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m47j_X8svwk

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  16. George says:

    “Wakanda’s rulers have wisely kept their homeland and its elemental riches hidden from the world, and in its isolation the nation has grown wildly powerful and technologically advanced. ”

    They need a comic series where AntiFa travels to Wakanda to unseat the Afro Fascists. It culminates in a fight between Black Panther armored in Vibarium and AntiFa man armed with his magic bicycle U lock.

    BTW: UPDATE: “Bike Lock” Professor Eric Clanton’s Pre-Trial Date Postponed to [Feb 22] 2018

    https://www.cernovich.com/update-bike-lock-professor-eric-clantons-pre-trial-date-postponed-2018/

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  17. A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It’s a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It's not harmless insofar as it facilitates a false sense of accomplishment and the wrongful denial of the accomplishments of others. I assume you have already seen Sun Ra's movie Space Is The Place. Recall the bit where the NASA engineer is applying at Sun Ra's employment agency but leaves with his tail between his legs because a jazz pianist's incoherent babble has baffled him.
    Now, the Cosmology Funkadelic is a different matter, because it's really a neopagan morality of tolerance, connection, and sensual enjoyment, disguised with sci-fi terms.
    , @biz
    It's not harmless when it encourages otherwise decent people to resent their station in life and have an inflated sense of themselves because they think that some glory has been stolen from them by others.

    See also white nationalism.
    , @syonredux

    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It’s a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.
     
    Some of the more notable Scots: David Hume, James Watt, James Clerk Maxwell, Adam Smith.....
    , @guest
    It's one thing to be inaccurate in this or that detail, but the We Wuz Kangz crowd go way off the deep end.

    I've never heard a Scot say they invented civilization and everything in it. Woke blacks think that. You don't hear Scots claiming everyone from Shakespeare to Einstein were crypto-Scots.

    , @Rosie
    "harmless"

    That's what everyone thought about political correctness in the nineties.

    , @anon
    I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it, until they start thinking about the people who supposedly took it from them. And if the people in question are already sort of resentful and have a tendency towards violence, it can become an issue.
    , @Dennis Dale
    You probably think Paul Joseph Watson is out there on the cutting edge too.
    , @S. Anonyia
    I agreed with you up until 2011/2012 or so when mainstream media went all-in to support afrocentrism and trend-setting white people started endlessly fawning over everything black.

    I don't see mainstream media obsessing over Scots supremacism, at least not recently.
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  18. CCZ says:

    In what some would, no doubt somewhat justifiably, describe as “white privilege,” the NY Times gave one commentor 3 separate posts with a total of over 100 lines of text to say that anyone who disagrees with the beauty and power of this movie:

    To the naysayers and snark peddlers. You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors’ toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say “thank you” to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.

    And thereafter invokes his diversity credentials:

    I’m Jewish, the son of a Holocaust survivor. Like all Jewish parents, mine had “the Holocaust conversation” with my brother and me and an age-appropriate time. All Jewish kids will, at about age 10, learn that in the recent past millions who worship or just identity as Jewish like them were systematically killed as policy by a modern mid 20th century state. This learning carries with it a range of emotions, questions, fears. Kid questions: Can this happen again? Am I safe?

    Well, that concludes the discussion. Obama portraits and Black Panther, take that YT.

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    I lurk on the Mr. Money Mustache forums from time to time and the other day someone started a thread called "Share your immigrant story". I thought to myself "What are the chances the person who started this thread is Jewish?", and sure enough the second sentence was "I'm Jewish and my great-grandfather blah blah blah". I really hate that I knew that, it feels wrong somehow, but once you know that fact it's hard to unknow it and you see it everywhere.

    As far as Black Panther goes, I haven't seen anything in the preview that makes me think it's any more anti-white than all movies are nowadays, but it's just a preview so who knows. I'm all for nationalism so I think blacks wanting their own country is a good thing. I think the people at Marvel are pretty savvy marketers. They put this movie out and make a big hype out of it and no one asks them again why Spider-man and Thor are still white, plus they cash in on the SJW moment.
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  19. Arclight says:

    You know, if black Americans want all the benefits and trappings of the economic/scientific achievements of Euro-American civilization, perhaps a good place to start would be emulating the behavior and habits of the people that they clearly consider the gold standard (despite the obvious dislike/resentment).

    A lot of the black rage at whites/colonialism/America etc. seem to come from a strong sense that they are an incredibly consequential people who don’t get their due, but considering that they are 1/8th of the population they have a very exaggerated amount of attention paid in entertainment and politics…and I suspect that as the Latino share of the population increases and the white share declines, both groups by and large are going to be a lot less interested in being overly deferential to blacks’ sense of what they are owed by society.

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  20. Good vibraniums of uplifting fantasy.

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    I'm feeling those good Vibraniums,
    Wakanda's giving me excitatiums,
    Good, good, good, good Vibraniums...
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  21. AKAHorace says:

    So can Europeans deport African migrants from Libya to Wakanda ?

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  22. The substance (if you can call it that) of the piece is “blackety black black black and unworthy of note. But

    … a tiny nation in the centre of the South African landmass…

    epitomises everything wrong with modern journalism and writing. What in the Hell is “the South African landmass?” Lesotho is a tiny nation in the center of South Africa” or “a sovereign enclave within South Africa” or any number of other acceptable things. This jackass is one of those who thinks “leverage” is a verb, “space” is a synonym for “topic” and “industry,” and constantly writes “utilise” instead of “use” when the latter is appropriate.

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  23. From Paul Cuffee’s attempts in 1811 to repatriate blacks to Sierra Leone and Marcus Garvey’s back-to-Africa Black Star shipping line to the Afrocentric movements of the ’60s and ’70s, black people have populated the Africa of our imagination with our most yearning attempts at self-realization.

    I mean, you could still go back. I would buy your ticket myself if I could afford to.

    Afrofuturism is like, ‘We gon be kangz n sheeit”

    They’ll miss us.

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    Interesting that they all think of themselves as kings. The problem with that is that kings require subjects or they have no importance.

    I think of this as being like those who remember "past lives." Always a queen or great knight. Nobody ever remembers a previous life of degradation and suffering as a serf or slave.
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  24. Emily Lakdawalla‏ @elakdawalla
    So I carefully did not buy #BlackPanther tickets for opening weekend because I did not want to be the white person sucking Black joy out of the theater. What’s the appropriate date for me to buy tickets? Is next weekend ok?

    Emily Lakdawalla
    @elakdawalla

    Senior Editor & Planetary Evangelist, The Planetary Society. Planetary scientist, writer, public speaker.

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    Talk about your rationalization hamster. She didn't buy tickets because she is afraid to go into a theater that will be mostly filled with black people, but she could never admit this, even to herself.

    Going to movies with a black audience is a fun cultural experience, in a way, as long as you don't expect to actually hear the movie (and as long as you don't get mugged in the parking lot) . Blacks regard theater as an interactive experience, like a black church, so they will shout out to the screen. Blacks can be verbally facile and sometimes the stuff they shout out is funny.
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  25. syonredux says:

    Tucked high amid rough mountains, Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it. …

    Lesotho:

    Wakanda:

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    This but also, were this written during Apartheid, Mr Wallace would not describe Lesotho as mostly spared of the ravages of colonialism.
    , @jon
    And don't forget this little Lesotho factoid:

    About 40% of the population lives below the international poverty line of US$1.25 a day.
     
    , @Twinkie
    I thought the quoted article was a parody!
    , @El Dato
    Never build your arcology (corporate, fascist or otherwise) next to a mountain that looks as if a landslide could occur at any moment.
    , @The King is A Fink
    If you really screw up your eyes and squint at the first picture, the corrugated iron shithouses look a little like the skyscrapers in the second.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Why is Wakanda so bloody UGLY?? Are they afraid that beautiful buildings would be seen as somehow bowing down to Whitey? They gotta be these weird freaky buildings with bizarre shapes? Who designed them,Yoshio Taniguchi?
    And who cleans the buildings at night? Mexicans?
    , @anon
    Where are the commenters to draw the comparisons between the skylines of Wakanda and Lagos?
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  26. Flip says:

    Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa
    by Keith Richburg

    “You see, I was seeing all of this horror a bit differently because of the color of my skin. I am an American, but a black man, a descendant of slaves brought from Africa. When I see these nameless, faceless, anonymous bodies washing over a waterfall or piled up on the back of trucks, what I see most is that they look like me.

    Sometime, maybe four hundred or so years ago, one of my ancestors was taken from his village…

    And so it was that I came to be born in Detroit and that thirty five years later, a black man born in white America, I was in Africa, birthplace of my ancestors, standing at the edge of a river not as an African but as an American journalist – a mere spectator – watching the bloated bodies of black Africans cascading over a waterfall. And that’s when I thought about how, if things had been different, I might have been one of them – or might have met some similarly anonymous fate in one of the countless ongoing civil wars or tribal clashes on this brutal continent. And I thank God my ancestor survived that voyage.”

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  27. J.Ross says: • Website
    @twentycents
    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It's a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

    It’s not harmless insofar as it facilitates a false sense of accomplishment and the wrongful denial of the accomplishments of others. I assume you have already seen Sun Ra’s movie Space Is The Place. Recall the bit where the NASA engineer is applying at Sun Ra’s employment agency but leaves with his tail between his legs because a jazz pianist’s incoherent babble has baffled him.
    Now, the Cosmology Funkadelic is a different matter, because it’s really a neopagan morality of tolerance, connection, and sensual enjoyment, disguised with sci-fi terms.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8nppTSY-Rs

    I have a soft spot for Sun Ra. I don't think it is meant to be taken literally.
    , @Anonymous
    Well, speaking only for myself I'm greatly relieved you carved out an exception for The Clones of Dr Funkenstein, because I was just about to open a can o' technologimical whoop-ass on y'all.

    http://highfidelityla.com/covers/big/R-550284-1248014980.jpeg

    , @Anonymous
    Enjoyable movie. 3 1/2 stars out of 5 IMHO.
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  28. Yak-15 says:

    I certainly hope this inspires black people to reach beyond their current obsession with bondage, a transgression unremarkable throughout human history, now nearly centuries past. I want them to become productive and to finally significantly add value to the human race.

    But, most likely, this will spawn more blacketty black blacketty black and the demand for more gimmedats.

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    I can see it now: The Wakanda Case for Reparations.
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  29. J.Ross says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Tucked high amid rough mountains, Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it. …
     
    Lesotho:

    https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/lesotho_0.jpg

    Wakanda:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT1FKnTVwAEFR8b.jpg

    This but also, were this written during Apartheid, Mr Wallace would not describe Lesotho as mostly spared of the ravages of colonialism.

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  30. biz says:
    @twentycents
    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It's a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

    It’s not harmless when it encourages otherwise decent people to resent their station in life and have an inflated sense of themselves because they think that some glory has been stolen from them by others.

    See also white nationalism.

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    Yeah, that doesn't work, whites have accomplished things.
    , @Joe Walker
    Actually it is more like Jewish nationalism rather than white nationalism in that it blames white gentiles for all of their problems.
    , @Pericles

    See also white nationalism.

     

    Cough, zionism. Except that worked out somehow, didn't it?

    Though let me tell you, brother, that there were many White Nations not that long ago. I grew up in one. It was the 1980s.
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  31. My god, types like Carvelle are increasingly living in an alternate reality, becoming a cult like Scientology, where the ‘power of the mind’ can create, from whole cloth, an imagined history, imagined present, and imagined future. What is scary is mainstream publications giving this racial projection a platform.

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    Tulpas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa

    aka: Imaginary friends.

    , @Jim Don Bob

    What is scary is mainstream publications giving this racial projection a platform.
     
    Yep. It's a bad idea to tell cultural lies to people. See also the glory of trannies.
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  32. Barnard says:
    @Flip
    After his “Rumble in the Jungle” in Zaire, Muhammad Ali was asked: “Champ, what did you think of Africa?” He replied, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”

    A great quote you can rarely find a reference to today. A boxer wbo ended up getting brain damage and developing Parkinsons disease understood reality better than so many people who are considered intellectuals today.

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  33. @Flip
    After his “Rumble in the Jungle” in Zaire, Muhammad Ali was asked: “Champ, what did you think of Africa?” He replied, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”

    Dinesh D’Souza, America: Imagine a World without Her (2014), Ch. 8. Most likely a misattribution. A Newsweek article at the time of the match attributed the quote “Thank God our grandpappies caught that boat!” to George Foreman’s manager Dick Sadler. “It Takes a Heap of Salongo”, Newsweek (September 23, 1974), p. 72.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali

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  34. Anon87 says:

    Is it ok to say this will be just as big a steaming turd as the rest of the Marvel movies? And Star Wars sequels (sorry white nerds). It still amazes me people watch these literal cartoons and think the effects are convincing. It’s no-name actors green screened into an XBOX game. This just has loads of racial baggage, but still garbage.

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  35. syonredux says:

    In my earliest memories, the Africa of my family was a warm fever dream, seen on the record covers I stared at alone, the sun setting over glowing, haloed Afros, the smell of incense and oils at the homes of my father’s friends — a beauty so pure as to make the world outside, one of car commercials and blond sitcom families, feel empty and perverse in comparison. …

    That’s …..pretty sad….

    This is why it doesn’t matter that Wakanda was an idea from a comic book, created by two Jewish artists. No one knows colonization better than the colonized, and black folks wasted no time in recolonizing Wakanda. No genocide or takeover of land was required. Wakanda is ours now. We do with it as we please.

    It don’t matta that YT made it…all your base belong to us now….

    Until recently, most popular speculation on what the future would be like had been provided by white writers and futurists, like Isaac Asimov and Gene Roddenberry. Not coincidentally, these futures tended to carry the power dynamics of the present into perpetuity. Think of the original “Star Trek,” with its peaceful, international crew, still under the charge of a white man from Iowa. …

    A White man from Iowa……actually described as descended from the people who settled the Frontier….. in charge…the horror….

    The artistic movement called Afrofuturism, a decidedly black creation, is meant to go far beyond the limitations of the white imagination. It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space. It is the idea that we will have won the future.

    Suck it China! The future is Black AF!

    At the heart of Wakanda, she suggests, lie some of our most excruciating existential questions: “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?”…

    Hey, White nationalists in the US ask those kinds of questions all the time!Let’s see, no Civil War, a vastly lower crime rate, …..

    Can films like these significantly change things for black people in America? …

    I mean, that’s how things work, right? Fantasy creates reality. I mean, we all know that it wasn’t until the Iron Man movie came out that White guys started inventing stuff….

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    You forgot...

    white writers and futurists, like Isaac Asimov
     
    Bad move!
    , @Pericles

    Wakanda is ours now. We do with it as we please.

     

    Yo Mr Wallace, you gotst a call for you from Disney legal department on line two.
    , @Jefferson
    Travel deep into space? Africa's space program is a huge joke. North Korea has a higher chance of putting a man on the moon than Africa does.
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  36. KunioKun says:

    Somebody should wakandize this comic:

    http://pbfcomics.com/comics/atlantis/

    CB4 created a template for every political thing Black people have ever done or ever will do so long as White people continue to pay attention to them:

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  37. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This is pure racial nationalism.

    It may be a wee bit exaggerated in terms of the abilities of the specific race in question … but beyond that, what’s not to like?

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    Nationalism? It's supremacism.
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  38. I have no problem with identity politics fantasy art

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  39. syonredux says:
    @twentycents
    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It's a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It’s a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

    Some of the more notable Scots: David Hume, James Watt, James Clerk Maxwell, Adam Smith…..

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    And also John Knox, Thomas Guthrie, Andrew A. Bodnar, and of course Eric Liddle,
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  40. bomag says:
    @Obsessive Contrarian
    Lesotho, eh?

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-harrell-lesotho-metoo-sexual-violence-20171208-story.html

    "The director of a local aid organization told me grown men regularly flirt with her 8-year-old daughter in the grocery store..."

    Wow.

    I suppose, in a way, it is a kind of paradise…

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    For pervs.
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  41. Ramzpaul watched this movie, so we don’t have to. His review is funny as hell:

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  42. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT

    Vice Airs Documentary On White ‘Healing Retreats’ For People Who Need ‘A Break From Black People’

    ...A new video from Vice News published Friday focuses on a healing retreats for “White Girls” where participants can go to get away from blacks.

    The founder says that blacks are so destructive that they “shouldn’t even have passports.”

    The retreat is called the “White Girl Healing Retreat” and takes place in Árborg, Iceland. Vice News notes that it “specifically banned blacks.”

    The narrator notes that one attendee “needed a break–from black people.”

    The founder, Kaitlyn Wallace, expressed the opinion that blacks–but black Americans specifically, shouldn’t be allowed to have passports or travel.

    “I have no tips for a black person” she said. “My tip to black people is to let us have our space, let us have our room, and go hang out with other black people. We’re okay. You know, you’ve done enough damage.”
    ...
    The video also specifically notes that more white women are choosing to come to this retreat due to the current American political climate under President Trump.

     

    Though Iceland was a member of NATO, not all US troops were welcome there.

    The Iceland Defense Force (IDF) was a military command of the United States Armed Forces from 1951 to 2006. The IDF, created at the request of NATO, came into existence when the United States signed an agreement to provide for the defense of Iceland, which has only limited defense forces….

    From 1951 to 1959, a secret ban was imposed by the Icelandic government on the stationing of black US troops in Iceland. This racial ban was disclosed in late 1959. The Icelandic government relented somewhat from this policy in 1961, when it declared that it “will not oppose the inclusion of three or four colored soldiers in the Defense Force, but hopes that they will be carefully selected”. The number of black troops increased gradually throughout the 1960s, and all restrictions were most likely unofficially withdrawn in the 1970s or 1980s.

    According to an article in the Journal of Cold War Studies, the ban was for the purposes of protecting Icelandic women and preserving a homogeneous national body.

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    According to an article in the Journal of Cold War Studies, the ban was for the purposes of protecting Icelandic women and preserving a homogeneous national body.
     
    According to an article in the Journal of Cold War Studies, the ban was for the purposes of protecting Icelandic women and preserving a homogeneous national booty.

    Fixed it for you.
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  43. Peterike says:

    As a white person, I wouldn’t go anywhere near a movie theater on the opening weekend of Black Panther. There are going to be a lot of boisterous youths around just dying to have a conversation about race.

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    Like a movie version of Juneteenth.
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  44. “And in its isolation” it grew powerful…do these people have any sense of irony at all?

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  45. @San Fernando Curt
    Good vibraniums of uplifting fantasy.

    I’m feeling those good Vibraniums,
    Wakanda’s giving me excitatiums,
    Good, good, good, good Vibraniums…

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    Help me Wakanda yeah!
    Get it out of our minds!
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  46. jon says:
    @syonredux

    Tucked high amid rough mountains, Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it. …
     
    Lesotho:

    https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/lesotho_0.jpg

    Wakanda:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT1FKnTVwAEFR8b.jpg

    And don’t forget this little Lesotho factoid:

    About 40% of the population lives below the international poverty line of US$1.25 a day.

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  47. Humbles says:

    Wow. It’s been a long time since I’ve read such pure blood-and-soil race-essentialist agitprop in a mainstream publication.

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  48. MEH 0910 says:
    @Anonymous
    Blacks would be better off told the truth: as a group, they don't have "the necessities".
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  49. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @JohnnyD
    I guess diversity isn't Wakanda's greatest strength!

    “Diversity” is just leftist code for as few white gentiles as possible. So, for example, a country that is 100% white gentile has low diversity but one that is 100% black has high diversity.

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  50. JimB says:

    Wait, I thought Obama being elected President was the defining moment for black America.

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  51. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Paleo Liberal
    If there were black science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?

    Would it blow your mind if they were named Spider?

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  52. @bomag
    Wow.

    I suppose, in a way, it is a kind of paradise...

    For pervs.

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  53. J.Ross says: • Website
    @biz
    It's not harmless when it encourages otherwise decent people to resent their station in life and have an inflated sense of themselves because they think that some glory has been stolen from them by others.

    See also white nationalism.

    Yeah, that doesn’t work, whites have accomplished things.

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  54. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @biz
    It's not harmless when it encourages otherwise decent people to resent their station in life and have an inflated sense of themselves because they think that some glory has been stolen from them by others.

    See also white nationalism.

    Actually it is more like Jewish nationalism rather than white nationalism in that it blames white gentiles for all of their problems.

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  55. “It was a violent commencement in her, and thou shalt see an answerable sequestration,” is a great line from Othello. I see that word so infrequently that it stuck out.

    Also, I think the authoress uses the word “yearning” incorrectly. Is that so?

    Edit: oh my goodness, Carvell Wallace is a man! Maybe his wife edited this essay?

    On the other hand, it seems that there is a black separatist element today that is much more feminine that the black separatists of the past. I may be wrong, but I think it’s unlikely that Malcolm X was talking about the honey-gold sunlight gilding the woolly-haired heads that stare serenely across Mother Africa’s plains or whatever.

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    "On the other hand, it seems that there is a black separatist element today that is much more feminine that the black separatists of the past."

    Black America is a matriarchy. As soon as the US government decided to pour billions of dollars into the hands of any black teenager with a functional uterus, the die was cast and the visible pits said, "Do as momma says and no one gets hurt."
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  56. Twinkie says:
    @syonredux

    Tucked high amid rough mountains, Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it. …
     
    Lesotho:

    https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/lesotho_0.jpg

    Wakanda:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT1FKnTVwAEFR8b.jpg

    I thought the quoted article was a parody!

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  57. Bilgeman says:

    Is it a place to colonize with your dreams?

    Perhaps.

    But to my non-Black eyes, it is just as likely to be your people’s “Ghost Dance”.

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    @Bilgeman... Came to the comments to see if someone else saw the Ghost Dance similarities as well--a last ditch fantasy, a religious fervor, that swept American Indians in the late 1800's. It seems that back then (as well as now) it's far easier to invent a myth about one's racial and cultural origins and destiny than it is to acknowledge the harsh facts about it. Cognitive dissonance and all that.

    Moreover, even the Ghost Dance's lead spiritualist at the time, an Indian prophet named "Wovoka" (a.k.a. Jack Wilson), has a name that bears a slight verbal assonance with "Wakanda." Coincidence?
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  58. I’ve been to Lesotho. It is, to use your president’s term, a shithole. It was also colonized by Britain.

    This Wankhanda stuff is getting sillier by the day.

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  59. Gaza says:

    He’s right. Isolationism is “wise” when 92% of the rest of the world doesnt share your ethnicity and lusts after the relative utopia that has been forged and preserved by the blood and toil of that 8%.

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  60. Svigor says:

    It’s not harmless when it encourages otherwise decent people to resent their station in life and have an inflated sense of themselves because they think that some glory has been stolen from them by others.

    See also white nationalism.

    Blacks, black nationalists included, follow Whites around, demanding access to white societies, going ape at the idea of White separatism.

    Jews, same deal.

    Whites are fine with separatism from both groups (which both groups practice, but whites do not).

    WNs don’t want to follow Jews or blacks around.

    Reformulate and try again?

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  61. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    More trans-reality in the age of trans-whatever.

    In 2008, the Hope was IF Obama became the first black president, black Americans and even black Africans will be so inspired that they’ll change their ways.
    MLK’s dream failed. The Million Man March failed. But Obama’s ascendancy would change everything. Imagine a black man being president of the richest and most powerful nation on earth. Imagine him being elected not only by blacks and people of color but by lots of white people. Through Obama, white people’s souls could be healed. And white people could hope that blacks would follow in Obama’s path. “You see, Negroes, we don’t hate you. We are not racist. We want to love you, but you act a bit crazy. But if you act smile and act nice like Obama — act more gayish than blackish — , we will love you and shower you with all kinds of prizes. You can have my job, you can marry my daughter, you can hump my wife. Everything and anything. Just be nice and kindly like Obama. Don’t beat me up. Just act nice and I’ll give you everything!!”

    So, after 8 yrs of Obama-ism, what really changed in the black community? Well, there was the Ferguson effect. And lots of flash mobs, looting, knockout games, and BLM.

    King failed, Million Man March failed, Obama failed.
    So, what is left? Blacks thought their dream could be made into reality in THIS WORLED.
    Since THIS world couldn’t be saved, why not just imagine an alternate world? A Matrix world for Negroes? Indeed, why not just put all Negroes to sleep inside chambers like in MATRIX movie and make them live in a cyber world of Wakanda where gibs grow on trees, all black leaders are so wise and inspiring(than like Sharpton and Waters), and sheeeeeiiit, pyramids defy gravity and fly all over the world? Take the white pill, Negroes.

    Now, if fantasy won’t doesn’t come true in reality, a sensible person might say… “Maybe the fantasy is stupid, and we should try to understand reality better to improve our lot.” But Negroes just luuuuuuv their fantasies. They just can’t let it go, so the hell with reality instead. Let full-grown blacks watch some comic-book movie and imagine it to be Da Truth.

    A kind of reverse fantasy. In TARZAN, there’s the the fantasy of civilized white family birthing a child who grow up to be Lord of the Jungle, revered by chimpanzees and strong enough to beat up any bunch of Negro jungle tribes. And John Milius had his version of Tarzan fantasies. And in AVATAR, some white guy enters the body of a 7ft blue goat super-man and becomes jungle lord.
    If whites fantasize about being kings of the jungle, blacks now love the fantasy of Negroes being lord of the greatest technological city that ever was.

    One difference. Whites always enjoyed Tarzan fantasies for what they were: fantasies! No white guy would have read Tarzan and thought, ‘Yeah, I can remake my life based on the adventures of Bunster Crabbe as lord of apes.’
    But now, we have grown-up blacks writing serious exegesis about Wakanda can serve as a turning point for blacks. I mean…

    Yeah, and if Chinese make a movie about the greatest basketball team made up of all Chinese, that will be turn-around Chinese basketball in the Olympics.

    People really need to grow up. That the NY Times would be running articles like this tells you something about the age we live in.

    When ROOTS came out in the 70s, despite its historical inaccuracies, the point was “we blacks need to try to understand who we really were.”
    Now, we have NYT article about “we blacks need to fantasize about what be cool and shi*.”

    Blaxploitation flicks, trashy as they were, had some grit. Now, we have Blaxhortation flicks.

    Maybe we need fantasies as escapism now and then, but why is NYT taking crap like this seriously? I mean Rocky sequels were ridiculous fantasies about white championship in boxing. Rocky beats the Negroes, then Ivan Drago beats Creed, and then Tommy Morrison whups all the negroes and is brought down only by over-the-hell Balboa. ROTFL. But no one took it seriously. NYT didn’t have some Italian-American write tripe about how it’s so inspiring to the greasers.

    Magic Negro myth turned so many minds into mush.

    In NOT OUT OF AFRICA, Lefkowica wrote of speaking to colleagues in the field about how bogus and fraudulent so much of black historical scholarship is. The response she got from most of them was ‘We know it’s crap BUT blacks need something to believe in’. Poor poor Negroes. But there is also fear as blacks go crazy and start hollering if they don’t get their ‘bling’. So, there is condescension mixed with cold feet. This is a common liberal mentality. I got the same response from my sister when I mentioned this. She agreed all this afrocentric stuff is silly BUT those Negroes just some hope to cling to. Save the poor poor Negro!!

    The result is Shani Davis feeling oppressed by a coin toss. It be ‘racist’ and shi*. And this ridiculous movie that got 99.99% approval from critics. Hoperession is a more insidious kind of mental oppression. PC creates taboos and sacraments and makes so many people, even smart ones who should know better, want to believe in miracles.

    Maybe that will be the new genre. In the 50s, there were these giant Biblical epics, like the one in HAIL CAESAR.
    Now, it’s Neo-Hail-Caesar(in Conquest of the Planet of Super-simians) and the religion for secular libs in need of a religion is Negro as fantasy god. Because Negroes in reality have been so disappointing, why not turn Negro into fantasy negrovah or afrovah, the black god? And put him on the big screen and go WOW.

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  62. Gaza says:

    In a #moviesoblack like this, the only problem i see is that every character is a magic kneegro.

    If everyone in wakonda is a magical negro with a perfect swing, no one ever slices into the rough. So would they even have a rough?

    Maybe wakanda is where all the magic negros come from, like poverty tourists dropping in to steer the plots of the filthy, pale otherworld raciss proles toward convenient ends.

    This is why utopias are boring. And why the future is always dystopian. And why those who dream of the former are often the architects if the latter.

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  63. Thomm says:

    Don’t forget Akeem the African Dream :

    The music was actually cool.

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  64. El Dato says:
    @TheBoom
    The fact that the only way that blacks can create an advanced civilization that makes them proud is in a comic is all very depressing and telling. The fact that it was created by two Jews is even more telling.

    Thereby ends this thread.

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  65. George says:

    What happens if this Wakonda movie sucks and does not do well at the box office? I liked the trailer due to the soundtrack and goodlooking athletic ladies, but I can’t say I want to spend an 2 1/4 hours watching it. I don’t think I could sit through the whole thing without being woke, get it.

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    I wonder what people in Africa will think about the movie.
    , @JimB
    This movie is guaranteed to do well at the box office. The first week take is all that matters. Much like the Last Jedi, the critics can love it, the audience can hate it, and it will still make a billion dollars internationally.

    Expect Steve to weigh in on the Chinese audience reaction to this film. China is in the middle of a crackdown on black immigrants and hip hop culture.
    , @Alec Leamas

    What happens if this Wakonda movie sucks and does not do well at the box office? I liked the trailer due to the soundtrack and goodlooking athletic ladies, but I can’t say I want to spend an 2 1/4 hours watching it. I don’t think I could sit through the whole thing without being woke, get it.
     
    Looks like it's on pace to do 3/5ths of Superman's numbers.
    , @Thomas
    A lot of white libs want to go see it too, I think to strike a blow against Trump or something. Might be a leading indicator on the election?
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  66. El Dato says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    If there were black science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?

    You mean to imply that Dhalgren is actually a black novel?

    That would be …. mindblowing.

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    Well, it's internally inconsistent, has a bunch of rape scenes, and just trails off into nonsense at the end.

    So I don't know, man.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    When I read Dhalgren, as well as some of the other early Delaney stuff, I had no idea he was black. From his writings, I could tell he had been a hippie in the 60s, and had lived in some sort of hippie commune.

    My brother knew Chip Delaney, and of course knew Chip was black.

    There was an interesting discussion my brother had with Delaney. Not long before then, I decided to read the book Dhalgren. I got about 100 pages from the end, and put down the book, and never finished. It was smooth sailing up to that point, but suddenly it got to be too much of a slog.

    Delaney laughed at that. Delaney said that whenever he was re-writing or editing Dhalgren, he always had to take a break at that point in the book. That part of the book was sometimes too hard even for Delaney.

    So, apparently my not finishing Dhalgren didn't offend Chip Delaney at all.

    And yeah, the idea of Dhalgren being a "black novel" would be mind blowing.
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  67. @CCZ
    In what some would, no doubt somewhat justifiably, describe as "white privilege," the NY Times gave one commentor 3 separate posts with a total of over 100 lines of text to say that anyone who disagrees with the beauty and power of this movie:

    To the naysayers and snark peddlers. You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors' toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say "thank you" to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.
     
    And thereafter invokes his diversity credentials:

    I'm Jewish, the son of a Holocaust survivor. Like all Jewish parents, mine had "the Holocaust conversation" with my brother and me and an age-appropriate time. All Jewish kids will, at about age 10, learn that in the recent past millions who worship or just identity as Jewish like them were systematically killed as policy by a modern mid 20th century state. This learning carries with it a range of emotions, questions, fears. Kid questions: Can this happen again? Am I safe?
     
    Well, that concludes the discussion. Obama portraits and Black Panther, take that YT.

    I lurk on the Mr. Money Mustache forums from time to time and the other day someone started a thread called “Share your immigrant story”. I thought to myself “What are the chances the person who started this thread is Jewish?”, and sure enough the second sentence was “I’m Jewish and my great-grandfather blah blah blah”. I really hate that I knew that, it feels wrong somehow, but once you know that fact it’s hard to unknow it and you see it everywhere.

    As far as Black Panther goes, I haven’t seen anything in the preview that makes me think it’s any more anti-white than all movies are nowadays, but it’s just a preview so who knows. I’m all for nationalism so I think blacks wanting their own country is a good thing. I think the people at Marvel are pretty savvy marketers. They put this movie out and make a big hype out of it and no one asks them again why Spider-man and Thor are still white, plus they cash in on the SJW moment.

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  68. I wish our adversaries would get their message straight about science and technology. When Hollywood portrays technologically advanced white societies, it gives us dystopias like Blade Runner 2049, populated by artificial humans with flying cars who hate their lives.

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    Don’t get Steve started on flying cars. He’s damn mad that he doesn’t have what was CLEARLY promised.
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  69. The “sun setting over glowing, haloed Afros” is a gem.

    Check out Vedic Russia, paintings by Vsevolod Ivanov depicting the “stolen ancient period of the historical path of our Russian ancestors”.

    https://sunsofhyperborea.wordpress.com/2016/05/05/the-art-of-vsevolod-ivanov/

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    There really were enormous and elaborately decorated buildings made of wood. Guess why they stopped making them.
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  70. El Dato says:
    @syonredux

    Tucked high amid rough mountains, Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it. …
     
    Lesotho:

    https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/lesotho_0.jpg

    Wakanda:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT1FKnTVwAEFR8b.jpg

    Never build your arcology (corporate, fascist or otherwise) next to a mountain that looks as if a landslide could occur at any moment.

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  71. @J.Ross
    It's not harmless insofar as it facilitates a false sense of accomplishment and the wrongful denial of the accomplishments of others. I assume you have already seen Sun Ra's movie Space Is The Place. Recall the bit where the NASA engineer is applying at Sun Ra's employment agency but leaves with his tail between his legs because a jazz pianist's incoherent babble has baffled him.
    Now, the Cosmology Funkadelic is a different matter, because it's really a neopagan morality of tolerance, connection, and sensual enjoyment, disguised with sci-fi terms.

    I have a soft spot for Sun Ra. I don’t think it is meant to be taken literally.

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    By Ra, no, but this Wallace guy babbling about sunlit headwool ...
    , @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Clifford Brown

    Saw Sun Ra perform way back when in college. Was one of the most amazing concerts I ever went to. Didn’t even need drugs to enjoy it!
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  72. Tiny Duck says:

    To all the naysayers and snark peddlers.

    You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors’ toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say “thank you” to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.

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    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history.
     
    But if whites want to forge bonds with each other and stay true to their history and traditions then that's white supremacy, right? And it's met with snark,nastiness and hate from you and people like you.

    You're an anti-white bigot and hypocrite. Get lost.

    , @fish
    Ohs Tinys....they you’n go agin talkin out cho ass. We goin to have to be havin another 1 o our sessions to be fixin yo’s attstituds. You best be startin yo “ecksersizes” now.

    Lendspert “be’s hatin to bring teh tuff luv to his Tinys” pizzts
    , @CCZ
    Unless you are New York Times commentor Paul King (USA), your comments are called "plagiarism" as the below verbatim text copy shows Mr. King posted his comments to the Times article 1 day ago. His comment is currently the third comment under all readers comments sorted by newest comments. We do read the NY Times comments, if only to know what nonsense is being peddled to SJWs and POC and how they respond. And you said that you teach at a university?? Shame on you!!

    Paul King USA 1 day ago

    To all the naysayers and snark peddlers.

    You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors' toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say "thank you" to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/12/magazine/why-black-panther-is-a-defining-moment-for-black-america.html
    , @MBlanc46
    Ah, Tiny, don’t steal your stuff. I’m very, very disappointed.
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  73. Pretty sad that the geniuses at Marvel needed a magic metal from outer space to make their vision of a functional African nation not seem wholly implausible.

    How about a movie about a remote white society that wasn’t saddled with endless spending on blacks and their pathologies, and consequentially dumps its resources into technology, medical research, and infrastructure? They could call it the Finnish Panther, except it would be a documentary, not escapist fantasy.

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  74. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sounds like a good commercial for the movie. Wonder if the writer received some stipend under the table for this?

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  75. Jack D says:

    It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space.

    Notice that even the author doesn’t say that blacks will CREATE technology and science – they will only USE it.

    It is the idea that we will have won the future.

    If blacks “win” the future who will be the loser? Blacks have already”won” the Caribbean – the entire Columbian discovery turned out to be a scheme for colonizing the Caribbean with Africans.

    At the heart of Wakanda, she suggests, lie some of our most excruciating existential questions: “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?”…

    Yes it would have been a place with flying cars and telescreens and shee’t and not like say Ethiopia which was never colonized. That until European contact (which in the interior occurred less than 150 years ag0) sub-Saharan Africans had never developed a written language and that technology was iron age at best would have been no obstacle to them developing this stuff if only whitey had not interfered.

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    That until European contact (which in the interior occurred less than 150 years ag0) sub-Saharan Africans had never developed a written language and that technology was iron age at best would have been no obstacle to them developing this stuff if only whitey had not interfered.
     
    Question : Did the Bronze Age and later Iron Age diffuse through SS Africa at the same rate, or at a slower one? Did they really reach the Iron Age at all? I want to figure out what their true ceiling really was.

    What gets me is how Madagascar was colonized by Indonesians rather than black Africans, despite the short distance.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    I think Ethiopia had a written language before any Europeans did, but I take your main point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%27ez_script

    "The earliest inscriptions of Semitic languages in Eritrea and Ethiopia date to the 9th century BC in Epigraphic South Arabian (ESA), an abjad shared with contemporary kingdoms in South Arabia. After the 7th and 6th centuries BC, however, variants of the script arose, evolving in the direction of the Ge'ez abugida (a writing system that is also called an alphasyllabary)."
     
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  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yak-15
    I certainly hope this inspires black people to reach beyond their current obsession with bondage, a transgression unremarkable throughout human history, now nearly centuries past. I want them to become productive and to finally significantly add value to the human race.

    But, most likely, this will spawn more blacketty black blacketty black and the demand for more gimmedats.

    I can see it now: The Wakanda Case for Reparations.

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  77. El Dato says:
    @syonredux

    In my earliest memories, the Africa of my family was a warm fever dream, seen on the record covers I stared at alone, the sun setting over glowing, haloed Afros, the smell of incense and oils at the homes of my father’s friends — a beauty so pure as to make the world outside, one of car commercials and blond sitcom families, feel empty and perverse in comparison. …
     
    That's .....pretty sad....

    This is why it doesn’t matter that Wakanda was an idea from a comic book, created by two Jewish artists. No one knows colonization better than the colonized, and black folks wasted no time in recolonizing Wakanda. No genocide or takeover of land was required. Wakanda is ours now. We do with it as we please.
     
    It don't matta that YT made it...all your base belong to us now....

    Until recently, most popular speculation on what the future would be like had been provided by white writers and futurists, like Isaac Asimov and Gene Roddenberry. Not coincidentally, these futures tended to carry the power dynamics of the present into perpetuity. Think of the original “Star Trek,” with its peaceful, international crew, still under the charge of a white man from Iowa. …

     

    A White man from Iowa......actually described as descended from the people who settled the Frontier..... in charge...the horror....

    The artistic movement called Afrofuturism, a decidedly black creation, is meant to go far beyond the limitations of the white imagination. It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space. It is the idea that we will have won the future.
     
    Suck it China! The future is Black AF!

    At the heart of Wakanda, she suggests, lie some of our most excruciating existential questions: “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?”…

     

    Hey, White nationalists in the US ask those kinds of questions all the time!Let's see, no Civil War, a vastly lower crime rate, .....

    Can films like these significantly change things for black people in America? …

     

    I mean, that's how things work, right? Fantasy creates reality. I mean, we all know that it wasn't until the Iron Man movie came out that White guys started inventing stuff....

    You forgot…

    white writers and futurists, like Isaac Asimov

    Bad move!

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    Wasn’t Asimov on the British scientific team that developed RADAR? He didn’t just write about a possible future, he helped to create it.

    Of course, Hollywood just had to inject a bit of PC into I ROBOT, with a black protagonist (Will Smith) and an evil corporation headed by an evil white man. Instead of doing something interesting with the conundrums caused by the Three Laws of Robotics, they gave us the usual action film dreck.
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  78. Thomm says:
    @Jack D

    It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space.
     
    Notice that even the author doesn't say that blacks will CREATE technology and science - they will only USE it.

    It is the idea that we will have won the future.
     
    If blacks "win" the future who will be the loser? Blacks have already"won" the Caribbean - the entire Columbian discovery turned out to be a scheme for colonizing the Caribbean with Africans.


    At the heart of Wakanda, she suggests, lie some of our most excruciating existential questions: “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?”…
     
    Yes it would have been a place with flying cars and telescreens and shee't and not like say Ethiopia which was never colonized. That until European contact (which in the interior occurred less than 150 years ag0) sub-Saharan Africans had never developed a written language and that technology was iron age at best would have been no obstacle to them developing this stuff if only whitey had not interfered.

    That until European contact (which in the interior occurred less than 150 years ag0) sub-Saharan Africans had never developed a written language and that technology was iron age at best would have been no obstacle to them developing this stuff if only whitey had not interfered.

    Question : Did the Bronze Age and later Iron Age diffuse through SS Africa at the same rate, or at a slower one? Did they really reach the Iron Age at all? I want to figure out what their true ceiling really was.

    What gets me is how Madagascar was colonized by Indonesians rather than black Africans, despite the short distance.

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    African skipped over the Bronze Age and went right from stone to iron. In some places (Nigeria) this might have been as early as 600 BC but in others not until as late as the 17th century.

    Keep in mind that you are not talking about blast furnaces or anything like that. This film gives you an idea of the kind of iron smelting that was being done in Africa up to the time of European contact (and after although now even on the village level they must get their iron from scrapped cars, etc.) which is similar to the way it was done in Europe at maybe 800 BC. Not exactly Wakanda-like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuCnZClWwpQ
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  79. J.Ross says: • Website
    @C. Van Carter
    The "sun setting over glowing, haloed Afros" is a gem.

    Check out Vedic Russia, paintings by Vsevolod Ivanov depicting the "stolen ancient period of the historical path of our Russian ancestors”.

    https://sunsofhyperborea.wordpress.com/2016/05/05/the-art-of-vsevolod-ivanov/

    There really were enormous and elaborately decorated buildings made of wood. Guess why they stopped making them.

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  80. @George
    What happens if this Wakonda movie sucks and does not do well at the box office? I liked the trailer due to the soundtrack and goodlooking athletic ladies, but I can't say I want to spend an 2 1/4 hours watching it. I don't think I could sit through the whole thing without being woke, get it.

    I wonder what people in Africa will think about the movie.

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    I wonder what people in Africa will think about the movie.
     
    Maybe they can be led to believe it actually exists and the great migration towards Europe will be reversed.
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  81. Anon7 says:

    So, this movie is pretty much a ripoff of Hamilton, right? Except instead of being at the country level (fantasy version of black people founding the USA), it’s at the Western Civilization level (fantasy of black people inventing Western Civ).

    Gee, I hope they don’t teach this movie as fact in the schools, like Hidden Figures.

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  82. Jack D says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    Emily Lakdawalla‏ @elakdawalla
    So I carefully did not buy #BlackPanther tickets for opening weekend because I did not want to be the white person sucking Black joy out of the theater. What’s the appropriate date for me to buy tickets? Is next weekend ok?

     



    Emily Lakdawalla
    @elakdawalla

    Senior Editor & Planetary Evangelist, The Planetary Society. Planetary scientist, writer, public speaker.

     

    Talk about your rationalization hamster. She didn’t buy tickets because she is afraid to go into a theater that will be mostly filled with black people, but she could never admit this, even to herself.

    Going to movies with a black audience is a fun cultural experience, in a way, as long as you don’t expect to actually hear the movie (and as long as you don’t get mugged in the parking lot) . Blacks regard theater as an interactive experience, like a black church, so they will shout out to the screen. Blacks can be verbally facile and sometimes the stuff they shout out is funny.

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    Decades ago, I saw the hip hop movie Wild Style as the only white person in a cinema otherwise filled to about 90 percent capacity with blacks. This was in my racially unconscious, white boy blues and funk guitar loving days but I still became acutely conscious that, being as I wasn't prejudiced but they might be, I could be attacked, killed, even eaten. But pretty soon I got over it and had a good time listening to the blacks hoot and holler at the screen. It was fun, and I was unharmed-I was mostly ignored, and the one or two comments I got were cool-but it was the last time I remember being in that situation as far as a movie went.

    Well, almost. Once, in Greenwich Village, or maybe Chelsea in South Manhattan (I was in town for the AES convention, that was right after 9/11, and May Pang (former oriental girlfriend of John Lennon, and a damn sight prettier than that manatee Yoko Ono) was there. ) For some reason (and I leave to someone else to find the common thread between the above cinematic adventure and this one, there is one) I wound up being probably the only straight male in an arthouse cinema showing a film called The Fluffer. The homos were just like the blacks, hooting and hollering at every salacious reference to gayness.
    , @Anonymous
    http://www.struggle.ws/africa/accounts/chekov/cameroon.html

    The following evening we went to see an American film, 'Hurricane', at the cinema. The audience of about 200 people, was boisterous, groups of excited teenagers swigging whiskey on a Saturday night out. The film traced the career of a black American boxer persecuted by racist police. For the first half of the film, all the white people were deep South racists. African audiences are always demonstrative and vocal. Normally it is part of the fun of visiting the cinema, but on this occasion it lost its charm as the group of drunken youths behind us started shouting racial abuse, obviously aimed at us, the only whites in the cinema. "Yea that's what all whites are like, they're pigs", "fucking whites". We were most relieved when the inevitable Hollywood affirmation of America and its justice kicked in. In the second half of the film, some good whites emerged and helped to free the imprisoned hero. The audience's mood changed miraculously as the hero realised that all whites aren't racist. In the final scene of the film, the white US supreme court judge delivers an eloquent speech freeing the hero. Several people leapt into the air with joy. The tension had disappeared completely and we escaped before risking the crowd's reaction to the second film of the double header.
     
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  83. istevefan says:

    I can’t help but think how the media would go out of their way to nit pick, fact check and mock any similar endeavor or meme pushed by the wrong type of whites.

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  84. istevefan says:
    @Prof. Woland
    I wonder what people in Africa will think about the movie.

    I wonder what people in Africa will think about the movie.

    Maybe they can be led to believe it actually exists and the great migration towards Europe will be reversed.

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  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Going to movies with a black audience is a fun cultural experience, in a way, as long as you don’t expect to actually hear the movie (and as long as you don’t get mugged in the parking lot) . Blacks regard theater as an interactive experience, like a black church, so they will shout out to the screen. Blacks can be verbally facile and sometimes the stuff they shout out is funny

    The old Culver Plaza Theatres in Culver City (Los Angeles) was a good place to experience this. Near enough to Baldwin Hills or even Inglewood to attract reasonably well-off black patrons in numbers to reach the talk-to-the-movie threshold, but not enough blacks for it to be scary to be white. I saw the Lovecraft adaptation Reanimator there in its initial release. The movie was later bowdlerized for video, but the original contained a scene with a living headless body holding his severed head and giving “head” with it to an actress tied to a table. The audience exploded with commentary at that scene. Oh my lord! Do I see what I think I see? Girl, you better get yourself untied!

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  86. JimB says:
    @George
    What happens if this Wakonda movie sucks and does not do well at the box office? I liked the trailer due to the soundtrack and goodlooking athletic ladies, but I can't say I want to spend an 2 1/4 hours watching it. I don't think I could sit through the whole thing without being woke, get it.

    This movie is guaranteed to do well at the box office. The first week take is all that matters. Much like the Last Jedi, the critics can love it, the audience can hate it, and it will still make a billion dollars internationally.

    Expect Steve to weigh in on the Chinese audience reaction to this film. China is in the middle of a crackdown on black immigrants and hip hop culture.

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    I am seeing theorizing that, after Girlbusters, there's a strategy to get as much as you can on the first week with lots of advance hype. That's what they did with The Last White Boy and that appears to be what they're doing with Playstation 2 Panther. The confirmation will be a similar second week drop in ticket sales as word of mouth gets out.
    , @Pericles

    This movie is guaranteed to do well at the box office. The first week take is all that matters.

     

    The press joyously reports that the take will be goosed with some of them school dollas too. Children dancing on their school desks in Atlanta, etc. They will have a day learning about various uplifting blackity black things, though possibly not the historical details of the actual Black Panthers.

    Well, whatever else one might say, you have to applaud Disney for their marketing skills.
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  87. @George
    What happens if this Wakonda movie sucks and does not do well at the box office? I liked the trailer due to the soundtrack and goodlooking athletic ladies, but I can't say I want to spend an 2 1/4 hours watching it. I don't think I could sit through the whole thing without being woke, get it.

    What happens if this Wakonda movie sucks and does not do well at the box office? I liked the trailer due to the soundtrack and goodlooking athletic ladies, but I can’t say I want to spend an 2 1/4 hours watching it. I don’t think I could sit through the whole thing without being woke, get it.

    Looks like it’s on pace to do 3/5ths of Superman’s numbers.

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  88. Jack D says:
    @Thomm

    That until European contact (which in the interior occurred less than 150 years ag0) sub-Saharan Africans had never developed a written language and that technology was iron age at best would have been no obstacle to them developing this stuff if only whitey had not interfered.
     
    Question : Did the Bronze Age and later Iron Age diffuse through SS Africa at the same rate, or at a slower one? Did they really reach the Iron Age at all? I want to figure out what their true ceiling really was.

    What gets me is how Madagascar was colonized by Indonesians rather than black Africans, despite the short distance.

    African skipped over the Bronze Age and went right from stone to iron. In some places (Nigeria) this might have been as early as 600 BC but in others not until as late as the 17th century.

    Keep in mind that you are not talking about blast furnaces or anything like that. This film gives you an idea of the kind of iron smelting that was being done in Africa up to the time of European contact (and after although now even on the village level they must get their iron from scrapped cars, etc.) which is similar to the way it was done in Europe at maybe 800 BC. Not exactly Wakanda-like:

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    I believe I've heard it said that Subsaharans never domesticated any animals.

    It's hard to overestimate the labor-saving power of horses, oxen, dogs, etc. as well as the convenience of domestic livestock that more or less waits around for you to kill it rather than having to give chase with limited success.
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  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    It's not harmless insofar as it facilitates a false sense of accomplishment and the wrongful denial of the accomplishments of others. I assume you have already seen Sun Ra's movie Space Is The Place. Recall the bit where the NASA engineer is applying at Sun Ra's employment agency but leaves with his tail between his legs because a jazz pianist's incoherent babble has baffled him.
    Now, the Cosmology Funkadelic is a different matter, because it's really a neopagan morality of tolerance, connection, and sensual enjoyment, disguised with sci-fi terms.

    Well, speaking only for myself I’m greatly relieved you carved out an exception for The Clones of Dr Funkenstein, because I was just about to open a can o’ technologimical whoop-ass on y’all.

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    You know how we roll in white nationalism: Jewfus, yellow fever, chicken vindaloo, and Bootsie with Casper on echoplex and Kush blowing without a mike.
    , @El Dato
    Yes. There is no doubt we see the horrible truth about the inner workings of Parliament here.
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  90. guest says:
    @twentycents
    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It's a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

    It’s one thing to be inaccurate in this or that detail, but the We Wuz Kangz crowd go way off the deep end.

    I’ve never heard a Scot say they invented civilization and everything in it. Woke blacks think that. You don’t hear Scots claiming everyone from Shakespeare to Einstein were crypto-Scots.

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    How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It (or The Scottish Enlightenment: The Scots invention of the Modern World) is a non-fiction book written by American historian Arthur Herman. The book examines the origins of the Scottish Enlightenment and what impact it had on the modern world. Herman focuses principally on individuals, presenting their biographies in the context of their individual fields and also in terms of the theme of Scottish contributions to the world.

    The book was published as a hardcover in November 2001 by Crown Publishing Group and as a trade paperback in September 2002. Critics found the thesis to be over-reaching but descriptive of the Scots' disproportionate impact on modernity. In the American market, the trade paperback peaked at #3 on The Washington Post bestseller list, while in the Canadian market it peaked at #1.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World
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  91. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8nppTSY-Rs

    I have a soft spot for Sun Ra. I don't think it is meant to be taken literally.

    By Ra, no, but this Wallace guy babbling about sunlit headwool …

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  92. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Yup. Ironclad (or should I say Vibranium-clad) immigration controls and a socio-economic structure based on Magic Dirt.

    Wow, just wow. I can’t even.

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  93. DFH says:

    We can look forward to 20+ years of Wakanda being cited as an ””argument”” for how white people keep black people down

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  94. @Jack D
    African skipped over the Bronze Age and went right from stone to iron. In some places (Nigeria) this might have been as early as 600 BC but in others not until as late as the 17th century.

    Keep in mind that you are not talking about blast furnaces or anything like that. This film gives you an idea of the kind of iron smelting that was being done in Africa up to the time of European contact (and after although now even on the village level they must get their iron from scrapped cars, etc.) which is similar to the way it was done in Europe at maybe 800 BC. Not exactly Wakanda-like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuCnZClWwpQ

    I believe I’ve heard it said that Subsaharans never domesticated any animals.

    It’s hard to overestimate the labor-saving power of horses, oxen, dogs, etc. as well as the convenience of domestic livestock that more or less waits around for you to kill it rather than having to give chase with limited success.

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    50,000 years and no one in Africa ever thought to throw a saddle on a zebra.
    , @bomag
    I'll play Devil's advocate and point out that Africans had their women do the work. Why would you want to mess with that sweet deal?
    , @The Plutonium Kid
    Africans had domesticated cattle and goats.
    , @Jack D
    They didn't have horses because horses, like white people, could not survive in a jungle climate - they would succumb to tropical diseases. They did have other domestic animals - cattle were an important economic resource. Zebras are wild animals and difficult to break for domestic use.
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    @advancedatheist
    I wish our adversaries would get their message straight about science and technology. When Hollywood portrays technologically advanced white societies, it gives us dystopias like Blade Runner 2049, populated by artificial humans with flying cars who hate their lives.

    Don’t get Steve started on flying cars. He’s damn mad that he doesn’t have what was CLEARLY promised.

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  96. We wuz kangz!

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  97. Thomm says:

    I believe I’ve heard it said that Subsaharans never domesticated any animals.

    I always wondered why the Asiatic elephant is/was so domesticated for so many different functions (heavy lifting, trained entertainment, warfare, transportation, etc.), but the African Elephant was not, except by Hannibal of Carthage, who of course was not black, but Arab/Berber/Mediterranean. The official PC explanation is always that ‘the African Elephant is not possible to domesticate’, but the truth is that it is impossible only for blacks.

    Zebras can also function just like other horses if born in captivity and trained. Even Ostriches can be domesticated to pull carts.

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    Hannibal's elephants were a different species, long extinct. There also used to be European lions, and, at one time, horses ate men.
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  98. @Logical Meme
    My god, types like Carvelle are increasingly living in an alternate reality, becoming a cult like Scientology, where the ‘power of the mind’ can create, from whole cloth, an imagined history, imagined present, and imagined future. What is scary is mainstream publications giving this racial projection a platform.

    Tulpas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa

    aka: Imaginary friends.

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  99. @Alec Leamas
    I believe I've heard it said that Subsaharans never domesticated any animals.

    It's hard to overestimate the labor-saving power of horses, oxen, dogs, etc. as well as the convenience of domestic livestock that more or less waits around for you to kill it rather than having to give chase with limited success.

    50,000 years and no one in Africa ever thought to throw a saddle on a zebra.

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    Well, ya gotta admit that going on color alone the zebra is a particularly fraught creature for people obsessed with color.
    , @anonymous
    Home run!!!

    "...a saddle on a zebra." Bingo!!
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  100. snorlax says:
    @guest
    It's one thing to be inaccurate in this or that detail, but the We Wuz Kangz crowd go way off the deep end.

    I've never heard a Scot say they invented civilization and everything in it. Woke blacks think that. You don't hear Scots claiming everyone from Shakespeare to Einstein were crypto-Scots.

    How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe’s Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It (or The Scottish Enlightenment: The Scots invention of the Modern World) is a non-fiction book written by American historian Arthur Herman. The book examines the origins of the Scottish Enlightenment and what impact it had on the modern world. Herman focuses principally on individuals, presenting their biographies in the context of their individual fields and also in terms of the theme of Scottish contributions to the world.

    The book was published as a hardcover in November 2001 by Crown Publishing Group and as a trade paperback in September 2002. Critics found the thesis to be over-reaching but descriptive of the Scots’ disproportionate impact on modernity. In the American market, the trade paperback peaked at #3 on The Washington Post bestseller list, while in the Canadian market it peaked at #1.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World

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    written by American historian Arthur Herman
     
    You did get that part, right? It wasn't the Scots claiming anything.

    BTW, there are similar books about the Irish, the Jews, and virtually every other whining tribe which didn't actually invent civilization, or anything remotely close.
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  101. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Thomm

    I believe I’ve heard it said that Subsaharans never domesticated any animals.
     
    I always wondered why the Asiatic elephant is/was so domesticated for so many different functions (heavy lifting, trained entertainment, warfare, transportation, etc.), but the African Elephant was not, except by Hannibal of Carthage, who of course was not black, but Arab/Berber/Mediterranean. The official PC explanation is always that 'the African Elephant is not possible to domesticate', but the truth is that it is impossible only for blacks.

    Zebras can also function just like other horses if born in captivity and trained. Even Ostriches can be domesticated to pull carts.

    Hannibal’s elephants were a different species, long extinct. There also used to be European lions, and, at one time, horses ate men.

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  102. Thomas says:
    @Peterike
    As a white person, I wouldn’t go anywhere near a movie theater on the opening weekend of Black Panther. There are going to be a lot of boisterous youths around just dying to have a conversation about race.

    Like a movie version of Juneteenth.

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  103. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Well, speaking only for myself I'm greatly relieved you carved out an exception for The Clones of Dr Funkenstein, because I was just about to open a can o' technologimical whoop-ass on y'all.

    http://highfidelityla.com/covers/big/R-550284-1248014980.jpeg

    You know how we roll in white nationalism: Jewfus, yellow fever, chicken vindaloo, and Bootsie with Casper on echoplex and Kush blowing without a mike.

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  104. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Talk about your rationalization hamster. She didn't buy tickets because she is afraid to go into a theater that will be mostly filled with black people, but she could never admit this, even to herself.

    Going to movies with a black audience is a fun cultural experience, in a way, as long as you don't expect to actually hear the movie (and as long as you don't get mugged in the parking lot) . Blacks regard theater as an interactive experience, like a black church, so they will shout out to the screen. Blacks can be verbally facile and sometimes the stuff they shout out is funny.

    Decades ago, I saw the hip hop movie Wild Style as the only white person in a cinema otherwise filled to about 90 percent capacity with blacks. This was in my racially unconscious, white boy blues and funk guitar loving days but I still became acutely conscious that, being as I wasn’t prejudiced but they might be, I could be attacked, killed, even eaten. But pretty soon I got over it and had a good time listening to the blacks hoot and holler at the screen. It was fun, and I was unharmed-I was mostly ignored, and the one or two comments I got were cool-but it was the last time I remember being in that situation as far as a movie went.

    Well, almost. Once, in Greenwich Village, or maybe Chelsea in South Manhattan (I was in town for the AES convention, that was right after 9/11, and May Pang (former oriental girlfriend of John Lennon, and a damn sight prettier than that manatee Yoko Ono) was there. ) For some reason (and I leave to someone else to find the common thread between the above cinematic adventure and this one, there is one) I wound up being probably the only straight male in an arthouse cinema showing a film called The Fluffer. The homos were just like the blacks, hooting and hollering at every salacious reference to gayness.

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    For the reference of sheltered readers, it's much like the hooting and hollering of whites at the screening of an Ingmar Bergman movie.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I saw Menace 2 Society in a theater with a largely black audience. When I was leaving, a young friendly black guy wanted to talk to me about what I thought of it. We had a good conversation. It was an interesting experience.
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  105. J.Ross says: • Website
    @JimB
    This movie is guaranteed to do well at the box office. The first week take is all that matters. Much like the Last Jedi, the critics can love it, the audience can hate it, and it will still make a billion dollars internationally.

    Expect Steve to weigh in on the Chinese audience reaction to this film. China is in the middle of a crackdown on black immigrants and hip hop culture.

    I am seeing theorizing that, after Girlbusters, there’s a strategy to get as much as you can on the first week with lots of advance hype. That’s what they did with The Last White Boy and that appears to be what they’re doing with Playstation 2 Panther. The confirmation will be a similar second week drop in ticket sales as word of mouth gets out.

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    Did you see the brilliant RLM takedown of Ghostbusters 2016? It’s totally worth the hour of your life.

    https://youtu.be/AHUV8QLpEAc
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  106. Thomas says:
    @George
    What happens if this Wakonda movie sucks and does not do well at the box office? I liked the trailer due to the soundtrack and goodlooking athletic ladies, but I can't say I want to spend an 2 1/4 hours watching it. I don't think I could sit through the whole thing without being woke, get it.

    A lot of white libs want to go see it too, I think to strike a blow against Trump or something. Might be a leading indicator on the election?

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  107. If Wakanda actually existed, there would be no need to invent it.

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  108. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    I'm feeling those good Vibraniums,
    Wakanda's giving me excitatiums,
    Good, good, good, good Vibraniums...

    Help me Wakanda yeah!
    Get it out of our minds!

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  109. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    12,000 YRS A MASTER built on the vision of the 1000 yr Negreich.

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  110. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    Well, speaking only for myself I'm greatly relieved you carved out an exception for The Clones of Dr Funkenstein, because I was just about to open a can o' technologimical whoop-ass on y'all.

    http://highfidelityla.com/covers/big/R-550284-1248014980.jpeg

    Yes. There is no doubt we see the horrible truth about the inner workings of Parliament here.

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  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas

    What happens if this Wakonda movie sucks and does not do well at the box office? I liked the trailer due to the soundtrack and goodlooking athletic ladies, but I can’t say I want to spend an 2 1/4 hours watching it. I don’t think I could sit through the whole thing without being woke, get it.
     
    Looks like it's on pace to do 3/5ths of Superman's numbers.

    Oooh get back in the witness box you’re too sharp to live

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  112. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax

    How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It (or The Scottish Enlightenment: The Scots invention of the Modern World) is a non-fiction book written by American historian Arthur Herman. The book examines the origins of the Scottish Enlightenment and what impact it had on the modern world. Herman focuses principally on individuals, presenting their biographies in the context of their individual fields and also in terms of the theme of Scottish contributions to the world.

    The book was published as a hardcover in November 2001 by Crown Publishing Group and as a trade paperback in September 2002. Critics found the thesis to be over-reaching but descriptive of the Scots' disproportionate impact on modernity. In the American market, the trade paperback peaked at #3 on The Washington Post bestseller list, while in the Canadian market it peaked at #1.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World

    written by American historian Arthur Herman

    You did get that part, right? It wasn’t the Scots claiming anything.

    BTW, there are similar books about the Irish, the Jews, and virtually every other whining tribe which didn’t actually invent civilization, or anything remotely close.

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    Titling your book How the [insert ethnic group here] Invented Civilization is an excellent marketing gimmick. People of that group will buy it to give each other.

    I was in the advertising business when Brokaw's The Greatest Generation came out. A coworker pointed out how brilliant that title was. "Most people don't actually read books. They buy a book for the title. Most books are bought for presents. So if you need a present for your father, buying him The Greatest Generation is a way of telling him how great you think he is. Better than a Hallmark card."
    , @Father O'Hara
    Of course,there has been no claim of the Irish inventing civilization, just saving it.
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  113. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SteveRogers42
    50,000 years and no one in Africa ever thought to throw a saddle on a zebra.

    Well, ya gotta admit that going on color alone the zebra is a particularly fraught creature for people obsessed with color.

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  114. Brave T’Challa is King of Wakanda.
    Getting drunk is the thing he’s most fonda.
    “Put thet damn bottle down
    ’Fo I knock you out, clown!”
    Is the war-cry of good Queen LaWanda.

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  115. Rosie says:
    @twentycents
    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It's a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

    “harmless”

    That’s what everyone thought about political correctness in the nineties.

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  116. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    This BLACK PANTHER is a great idea for Palestinian Empowerment.

    And it’s so cheap and easy to create a comic book.

    Palestinians can come up with BROWN GOPHER. And it takes place in a fantasy world of Palestine that was not colonized by Zionists. This super-Palestine, called Palatona, is the richest, most powerful, and awesome civilization that the world has ever knew. It has time travel, space ships that go to the stars, nuclear powered toilets, and laser guns. But even paradise has its problems and share of bad guys, and so there is Brown Gopher to set things straight.

    If this comic book become a success, some rich Muslim tycoon might fund its production, and it could be a Defining moment for Palestinians everywhere.

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  117. Pericles says:
    @biz
    It's not harmless when it encourages otherwise decent people to resent their station in life and have an inflated sense of themselves because they think that some glory has been stolen from them by others.

    See also white nationalism.

    See also white nationalism.

    Cough, zionism. Except that worked out somehow, didn’t it?

    Though let me tell you, brother, that there were many White Nations not that long ago. I grew up in one. It was the 1980s.

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  118. JimB says:
    @J.Ross
    I am seeing theorizing that, after Girlbusters, there's a strategy to get as much as you can on the first week with lots of advance hype. That's what they did with The Last White Boy and that appears to be what they're doing with Playstation 2 Panther. The confirmation will be a similar second week drop in ticket sales as word of mouth gets out.

    Did you see the brilliant RLM takedown of Ghostbusters 2016? It’s totally worth the hour of your life.

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    Thanks, I'll check it out.
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  119. Pericles says:
    @syonredux

    In my earliest memories, the Africa of my family was a warm fever dream, seen on the record covers I stared at alone, the sun setting over glowing, haloed Afros, the smell of incense and oils at the homes of my father’s friends — a beauty so pure as to make the world outside, one of car commercials and blond sitcom families, feel empty and perverse in comparison. …
     
    That's .....pretty sad....

    This is why it doesn’t matter that Wakanda was an idea from a comic book, created by two Jewish artists. No one knows colonization better than the colonized, and black folks wasted no time in recolonizing Wakanda. No genocide or takeover of land was required. Wakanda is ours now. We do with it as we please.
     
    It don't matta that YT made it...all your base belong to us now....

    Until recently, most popular speculation on what the future would be like had been provided by white writers and futurists, like Isaac Asimov and Gene Roddenberry. Not coincidentally, these futures tended to carry the power dynamics of the present into perpetuity. Think of the original “Star Trek,” with its peaceful, international crew, still under the charge of a white man from Iowa. …

     

    A White man from Iowa......actually described as descended from the people who settled the Frontier..... in charge...the horror....

    The artistic movement called Afrofuturism, a decidedly black creation, is meant to go far beyond the limitations of the white imagination. It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space. It is the idea that we will have won the future.
     
    Suck it China! The future is Black AF!

    At the heart of Wakanda, she suggests, lie some of our most excruciating existential questions: “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?”…

     

    Hey, White nationalists in the US ask those kinds of questions all the time!Let's see, no Civil War, a vastly lower crime rate, .....

    Can films like these significantly change things for black people in America? …

     

    I mean, that's how things work, right? Fantasy creates reality. I mean, we all know that it wasn't until the Iron Man movie came out that White guys started inventing stuff....

    Wakanda is ours now. We do with it as we please.

    Yo Mr Wallace, you gotst a call for you from Disney legal department on line two.

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  120. Pericles says:
    @JimB
    This movie is guaranteed to do well at the box office. The first week take is all that matters. Much like the Last Jedi, the critics can love it, the audience can hate it, and it will still make a billion dollars internationally.

    Expect Steve to weigh in on the Chinese audience reaction to this film. China is in the middle of a crackdown on black immigrants and hip hop culture.

    This movie is guaranteed to do well at the box office. The first week take is all that matters.

    The press joyously reports that the take will be goosed with some of them school dollas too. Children dancing on their school desks in Atlanta, etc. They will have a day learning about various uplifting blackity black things, though possibly not the historical details of the actual Black Panthers.

    Well, whatever else one might say, you have to applaud Disney for their marketing skills.

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    Maybe this will start a trend: the Black History Month “Blackbuster.”
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  121. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous
    Decades ago, I saw the hip hop movie Wild Style as the only white person in a cinema otherwise filled to about 90 percent capacity with blacks. This was in my racially unconscious, white boy blues and funk guitar loving days but I still became acutely conscious that, being as I wasn't prejudiced but they might be, I could be attacked, killed, even eaten. But pretty soon I got over it and had a good time listening to the blacks hoot and holler at the screen. It was fun, and I was unharmed-I was mostly ignored, and the one or two comments I got were cool-but it was the last time I remember being in that situation as far as a movie went.

    Well, almost. Once, in Greenwich Village, or maybe Chelsea in South Manhattan (I was in town for the AES convention, that was right after 9/11, and May Pang (former oriental girlfriend of John Lennon, and a damn sight prettier than that manatee Yoko Ono) was there. ) For some reason (and I leave to someone else to find the common thread between the above cinematic adventure and this one, there is one) I wound up being probably the only straight male in an arthouse cinema showing a film called The Fluffer. The homos were just like the blacks, hooting and hollering at every salacious reference to gayness.

    For the reference of sheltered readers, it’s much like the hooting and hollering of whites at the screening of an Ingmar Bergman movie.

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    Uh, yeah, especially during the big scene during the Virgin Spring.
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  122. @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8nppTSY-Rs

    I have a soft spot for Sun Ra. I don't think it is meant to be taken literally.

    Saw Sun Ra perform way back when in college. Was one of the most amazing concerts I ever went to. Didn’t even need drugs to enjoy it!

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    Saw Sun Ra perform way back when in college. Was one of the most amazing concerts I ever went to. Didn’t even need drugs to enjoy it!

     

    Once in a while the Y goes out on this strip mall's sign, and I swear Sun Ra's ghost is responsible:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmjack/8144633102

    Odd fact: Sun Ra was from Birmingham, and the mall is in St Paul. Both cities use Vulcan as a symbol.

    https://vulcaninformationpackaging.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/vulcan-birmingham-alabama.jpg
    https://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2016-Vulcan-Krewe-001.jpg
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  123. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    A contradiction about blacks and history.

    Black narrative has long been about suffering under hierarchy. So, rich and powerful whites enslaved blacks and made blacks serve as slaves. So, blacks learned of the evils of inequality. They identify with slaves and oppressed everywhere. And white liberals appreciate and admire blacks as a people-of-suffering. Having suffered under masters and oppressors, black experience and expression are about the little guy, the underdog, the downtrodden.

    And yet, all these fantasies are about blacks being ‘kangz’ and shi*. Now, what did kings do? They oppressed others. They monopolized power and wealth. They had serfs and slaves. They ruled over a very hierarchical system. They lived in ostentatious luxury while the masses toiled in the fields to have just enough to eat.

    If black history is about suffering and the need for equality, why all these fantasies of blacks as ‘kangz’? Why do blacks want to claim Egypt over all other cultures when Egyptians were into extreme hierarchy? The black primitive tribes in Sub-Saharan Africa, for better or worse, were more ‘equal’ in wealth and power since they didn’t have much.

    And this dream of blacks as ‘kangz’ isn’t just a fantasy desire of blacks but of white liberals. White liberals used to see Negroes as Uncle Tom(the original noble victim) who be humble and just want justice. Back then, white liberals saw blacks as icons of equality and nobility of simple life.
    But now, white liberals want to see blacks as ‘kangz’, pharaohs, emperors, stars, heroes, etc. So, Newsweek features Obama conqueror as a cross between Napoleon and Toussaint. White Americans love the fact that Oprah is a billionaire. Music fans adore black idols as divas. White cuck men revere black athletes who whup white males and hump white females.

    So, in the end, nature wins over nurture and narrative. 12 YRS A SLAVE was good medicine but people didn’t really like it. They felt obligated to like it. But BLACK PANTHER, that be da bomb.

    Now, what part of black nature made both blacks and white liberals favor the ‘Kangz’ fantasy over the noble slave narrative. By nature, black evolved to be warriors and hunters. Warriors and hunters were about domination. Paradoxically, a warrior culture is more egalitarian not because they value equality but because few warrior types are willing to be serfs or slaves.
    They all want to chuck spears, beat drums, and dance. Like Maori warriors. For there to be civilization, the alphas must rule over vast numbers of willing betas. But in a warrior culture, betas are weeded out, and most guys are alpha in attitude. Black Africa was like that. Each alpha wanted to be the lion killer and holder of trophy. So, black nature made blacks act like rappers who be at the center of the universe and deserving all blings, ho’s, cadillacs, and guns. They wanna be Kangzsta. It’s no wonder so many rappers modeled themselves on Tony Montana of SCARFACE.

    As for white liberals, they were sympathizing with the humble underdog, but it got so boring in a culture of hedonism, sensationalism, and celebrity. All these white liberals soon lost interest in Pete Seeger and Joan Baez and wanted to be fans of superstars like Beatles, Stones, and other big splashy stars. Since blacks won in sports, music, and had big voices, all these white liberal subconsciously began to see blacks as rightful rulers of the world on the basis of celebritymania and senso-centrism.
    So, if white liberals once sympathized with blacks for being noble slaves who sang “Nobody know the trouble I seen, nobody knows but Jesus” to worshiping blacks as the deserving god-emperors of cool, badass, and awesomeness without whom lame and dweeby whitebread folks would be lost. Among the elites, reggae is the #1 music. Among many white masses, there is worship of the big boss rapper. And just consider the gushing purple prose about the Obama painting. And BBC now feels the need to retro-alter white heroes and kings into black ones.

    We need some Darkasm, or sarcasm about dark folks. It’s getting out of hand.
    Today, most blacks are angry not because they’re treated unequally or less-than-human. They are pissed because not every Negro gets to be an Obama or Oprah. Being a ‘Kang’ or ‘Queeon’ is like a right or something that is ‘rightfully’ belonging to each alpha-souled Negro or Negress. Blacks now feel entitled to being ‘kangz’ and ‘queeons’ and shi*. It’s just in their nature.

    APOCALYPTO is about how a civilization can be great but evil. Indeed, we are made to identify with simple folks who flee from Mayans who are mighty but oppressive.
    But BLACK PANTHER is a fantasy of monarchy and aristocracy. It has Emperor Jones mentality.

    I was watching Welles’ OTHELLO recently and it really looks fabulous on blu-ray. But an interesting thing is how Othello goes from a symbol of libertine freedom to a symbol of possessive oppression.
    The story begins with the idea that love conquers all. So, it doesn’t matter if Othello is a blackamoor or some such. It’s love between him and the stupid white woman. They seem so easy and free. It’s like Othello didn’t force anything. It just happened naturally, and that’s how things should be.

    But then, Iago pulls dirty tricks and gets Othello to thinking that his wife is fooling around with another guy. The interesting thing is Othello becomes Iago-like in emotions. He grows resentful and possessive. Now, Iago tricked Othello. The wife wasn’t unfaithful.

    BUT, let’s say she really was going with another guy. Why would Othello be so upset? If Othello-ism is about the freedom of love, indeed so much so that a white woman should disobey her pa and even go with a ghastly blackamoor, then Othello should be accepting of the possibility of his woman having fun with other men. After all, if love and passion conquer all, then nothing should bind anyone to anything.
    In the opening scene, Othello-ism is this breakdown of barriers. The white woman doesn’t have to obey her father. She doesn’t have to stick with her own race. If she got the hots for a blackamoor, so with him she must go. And that is Othello’s attitude. ‘We be breaking down barriers and do what comes naturally to our hearts.’
    But when he is made to suspect that she is going with another guy, he turns as nasty, resentful, and vicious as Iago. He, who’d felt that the white race has no special claim on a white woman, feels that He, a blackamoor, has a special claim on this white woman. His pride is invested in her being loyal to him and only to him. He is overcome with rage that Desdemona’s love may not be directed only toward him but others(of her own race, btw). So, what belongs to others(or another race) should be open to him, BUT what belongs to him must only belong to him. He begins as a figure of inclusion but becomes a tyrant of exclusion.

    And there is this kind of logic in the white-black relationship. It’s like whites must open up all their domains to the Negro. But once Negroes make claims in this white world, they and only they have right of ownership. So, gibs me all the blings. All the grammies, all the oscars, all the ho’s, all the honors and honorifics.
    It’s like HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME production at a high school. Blacks have this crazy notion that they deserve to own Esmeralda. And HAMILTON got the Negroes thinking they deserve the Founding Myth of America too.

    But then, this isn’t really anything new. Whenever a barbarian or less-advanced people gained power over a more advanced people, they tried to take over the symbols and iconography of the more advanced peoples. Macedonians didn’t just imitate Greeks but became like New Greeks. Manchus who invaded Chinese put on airs as Chinese emperors. Nubians invaded Egypt and took on the features of Pharaohs.

    In some cases, a people borrow stuff from other cultures and imitate it on their own lands. Even before Romans conquered Greeks, they had borrowed so much from Greeks.
    But in other cases, a people conquer another people and take over the culture as if it’s been theirs all along. So, whether it was the Nubians, Greeks, or Romans who conquered Egypt, they saw something great and put on airs as new pharaohs when, in fact, their lineage had no roots in Egypt.

    When we look at the African invasion of Europe and with elite surrender to Afromania, we are seeing something similar.
    When the Germanic barbarians conquered Rome, there was much sacking and looting, but many barbarians were also very impressed and wanted to appropriate some of that glory and pretend to be new Caesars and feel connected to Roman glory. They wanted to be heirs of Rome, and Russian civilization developed as a fantasy extension of the Eastern Roman Empire, the Byzantium.

    With white Europeans having lost faith and confidence in their own culture and history, they feel that their legacy must all be bequeathed to another race, and their favorite is the black race that is most vibrant with alpha aggression.

    End of History was so wrong because it focused so much on ideology while ignoring the power of biology and ‘iconology’.

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    "He, who’d felt that the white race has no special claim on a white woman, feels that He, a blackamoor, has a special claim on this white woman."

    Being her husband, he kind of does.
    , @al gore rhythms
    APOCALYPTO is about how a civilization can be great but evil. Indeed, we are made to identify with simple folks who flee from Mayans who are mighty but oppressive.|

    I take it this is Priss? I saw the film more as a metaphor for the way a weakening civilisation ends up plundering itself before its final capitulation (the coming of Columbus).
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  124. AusReader says:

    How about declaring Puerto Rico as the new Wakanda? Puerto Ricans themselves don’t seem to want to live there. An influx of optimistic nation-state builders would do wonders for the place, and then they can vote for independence. Everyone wins.

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  125. @Jim Don Bob
    CARVELL WALLACE

    http://s.huffpost.com/contributors/carvell-wallace/headshot.jpg

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    , @slumber_j
    As ever, I can't wait to celebrate St. Patrick's Day with America's Freshest Ice Cream!

    https://youtu.be/f7wj9UmcjYk

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  126. @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Clifford Brown

    Saw Sun Ra perform way back when in college. Was one of the most amazing concerts I ever went to. Didn’t even need drugs to enjoy it!

    Saw Sun Ra perform way back when in college. Was one of the most amazing concerts I ever went to. Didn’t even need drugs to enjoy it!

    Once in a while the Y goes out on this strip mall’s sign, and I swear Sun Ra’s ghost is responsible:

    Sun Ray Shopping Center Sign

    Odd fact: Sun Ra was from Birmingham, and the mall is in St Paul. Both cities use Vulcan as a symbol.

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    Odd fact: Sun Ra was from Birmingham, and the mall is in St Paul. Both cities use Vulcan as a symbol.
     
    There are no coincidences. I pass by that sign too on the way to Wisconsin, sometimes it’s UN RAY … and no, to this point, the voice in my head hasn’t/ isn’t telling me to hurt myself or others. It is telling me to search for . . . vibranium.
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  127. @Reg Cæsar
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  129. @Jack D

    It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space.
     
    Notice that even the author doesn't say that blacks will CREATE technology and science - they will only USE it.

    It is the idea that we will have won the future.
     
    If blacks "win" the future who will be the loser? Blacks have already"won" the Caribbean - the entire Columbian discovery turned out to be a scheme for colonizing the Caribbean with Africans.


    At the heart of Wakanda, she suggests, lie some of our most excruciating existential questions: “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?”…
     
    Yes it would have been a place with flying cars and telescreens and shee't and not like say Ethiopia which was never colonized. That until European contact (which in the interior occurred less than 150 years ag0) sub-Saharan Africans had never developed a written language and that technology was iron age at best would have been no obstacle to them developing this stuff if only whitey had not interfered.

    I think Ethiopia had a written language before any Europeans did, but I take your main point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%27ez_script

    “The earliest inscriptions of Semitic languages in Eritrea and Ethiopia date to the 9th century BC in Epigraphic South Arabian (ESA), an abjad shared with contemporary kingdoms in South Arabia. After the 7th and 6th centuries BC, however, variants of the script arose, evolving in the direction of the Ge’ez abugida (a writing system that is also called an alphasyllabary).”

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    I think Ethiopia had a written language before any Europeans did, but I take your main point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%27ez_script

    “The earliest inscriptions of Semitic languages in Eritrea and Ethiopia date to the 9th century BC in Epigraphic South Arabian (ESA), an abjad shared with contemporary kingdoms in South Arabia. After the 7th and 6th centuries BC, however, variants of the script arose, evolving in the direction of the Ge’ez abugida (a writing system that is also called an alphasyllabary).”
     
    The writing systems used in Bronze Age Greece (Linear A and Linear B) are older:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B
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  130. @Jim Don Bob
    CARVELL WALLACE

    http://s.huffpost.com/contributors/carvell-wallace/headshot.jpg

    Did Tone Loc change his name?

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  131. neutral says:

    Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it

    Actually it would have been better to base it on Swaziland. The stereotypical view of an ideal African country tends to be in a jungle type environment, Lesotho is mountainous and can get cold, Swaziland has dense foliage and is hotter. Swaziland, unlike a lot of other African states, has no visible litter so it makes a for a pleasant “African feel” tourist destination. Swaziland is however ruled by an absolute monarch who gets to pick new wife every year, this is something I doubt the SJWs at Marvel comics would want to represent in the Wakandan utopia though.

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    Swaziland is however ruled by an absolute monarch who gets to pick new wife every year, this is something I doubt the SJWs at Marvel comics would want to represent in the Wakandan utopia though
     
    Or the Weinsteinian utopia. Which has now been Ceaușescued.
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  132. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    It's not harmless insofar as it facilitates a false sense of accomplishment and the wrongful denial of the accomplishments of others. I assume you have already seen Sun Ra's movie Space Is The Place. Recall the bit where the NASA engineer is applying at Sun Ra's employment agency but leaves with his tail between his legs because a jazz pianist's incoherent babble has baffled him.
    Now, the Cosmology Funkadelic is a different matter, because it's really a neopagan morality of tolerance, connection, and sensual enjoyment, disguised with sci-fi terms.

    Enjoyable movie. 3 1/2 stars out of 5 IMHO.

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  133. Hodag says:

    More than anything this mania is reminiscent of the marketing push for the Spike Lee movie Malcolm X. Spike was all over TV and newspapers telling black people to take their kids out of school to watch the movie.

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    Spike's push for "Malcolm X" was more of a one man job. I really had to admire his indefatigability at dreaming up fake media controversies day after day for several weeks before his pretty good movie was finally released to a tepid public response.
    , @anon
    Oh man, I forgot about that movie. Remember those "X" baseball caps that they had for that movie?

    I wish I had time to get one of those embroidered, so I could wear it to the premier of Black Panther and get my picture taken. With my 8-ball jacket too, of course.

    And I'd go to one of those theaters that has the bar with the specialty cocktails for all the big movies, and get really wasted on the specialty Black Panther drink and scream "Wakandaaaa!!" when the movie let out.

    I bet I could've gotten my picture in the newspaper if I had thought of that.

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  134. @syonredux

    Tucked high amid rough mountains, Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it. …
     
    Lesotho:

    https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/lesotho_0.jpg

    Wakanda:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT1FKnTVwAEFR8b.jpg

    If you really screw up your eyes and squint at the first picture, the corrugated iron shithouses look a little like the skyscrapers in the second.

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    I just take off my glasses.
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  135. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato
    You mean to imply that Dhalgren is actually a black novel?

    That would be .... mindblowing.

    Well, it’s internally inconsistent, has a bunch of rape scenes, and just trails off into nonsense at the end.

    So I don’t know, man.

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  136. anon • Disclaimer says:

    posting with unbridled ardor about what we’re going to wear to the opening night, announcing the depths of the squads we’ll be rolling with, declaring that Feb. 16, 2018, will be “the Blackest Day in History.”

    Are any of them posting about the irony of the fact that all they’re actually accomplishing by this is getting black people to give their money to rich white people, to make them even richer?

    Because I think that’s sort of funny.

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  137. KenH says:
    @Tiny Duck
    To all the naysayers and snark peddlers.

    You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors' toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say "thank you" to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history.

    But if whites want to forge bonds with each other and stay true to their history and traditions then that’s white supremacy, right? And it’s met with snark,nastiness and hate from you and people like you.

    You’re an anti-white bigot and hypocrite. Get lost.

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  138. bomag says:
    @Alec Leamas
    I believe I've heard it said that Subsaharans never domesticated any animals.

    It's hard to overestimate the labor-saving power of horses, oxen, dogs, etc. as well as the convenience of domestic livestock that more or less waits around for you to kill it rather than having to give chase with limited success.

    I’ll play Devil’s advocate and point out that Africans had their women do the work. Why would you want to mess with that sweet deal?

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  139. AndrewR says:
    @Obsessive Contrarian
    Lesotho, eh?

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-harrell-lesotho-metoo-sexual-violence-20171208-story.html

    "The director of a local aid organization told me grown men regularly flirt with her 8-year-old daughter in the grocery store..."

    My dad once took me to an ice cream stand in northern Michigan. The woman working it was in her 50s and very obese. After serving me my cone, she asked my age. After I told her, she said “you’re pretty sexy for an eight year old.” My dad just grinned and patted me on the back proudly.

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  140. slumber_j says:
    @Reg Cæsar
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    https://www.carvel.com/public/images/bgs/Carvel-BOGO.jpg
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    As ever, I can’t wait to celebrate St. Patrick’s Day with America’s Freshest Ice Cream!

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  141. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @twentycents
    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It's a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

    I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with it, until they start thinking about the people who supposedly took it from them. And if the people in question are already sort of resentful and have a tendency towards violence, it can become an issue.

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  142. KenH says:

    Freed black slaves already tried to create Wakanda and failed miserably. It’s called Liberia and is one of the most hellish nations on earth where slavery still exists. Blacks have taken over many cities, most noticeably Detroit, and as everyone knows it’s nothing like the heavenly negro safe space depicted in the upcoming movies.

    Wakanda is depicted as clean, safe, orderly and the most technically advanced nation on earth. I thought all these things are hallmarks of “selling out” and “acting white” if one is black. If Wakandans aren’t killing and raping each other then that should make them uncle Tom’s since civility is a sign of whiteness and therefore wickedness.

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    "Wakanda is depicted as clean, safe, orderly and the most technically advanced nation on earth."

    Technically advanced? So Wakanda is the Black Silicon Valley.
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  143. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So this article appeared in the NYT Magazine, right? Ok, so…let’s see…how many blacks actually READ the NY Times Magazine? On the other hand, it’s a bible of sorts for Our Betters (read, “white elites”).

    More ammunition for the Over Educated crowd.

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  144. whorefinder says: • Website

    Serious statement: Black Panther will be nominated for Best Picture next year, despite not having artistic merit. Not even joking.

    The Oscars expanded the Best Picture category to 10 films a few years ago, mostly on complaints that Christopher Nolan’s Batman movies—especially The Dark Knight-—were being overlooked for Best Picture nods. That, and that falling ratings were blamed on the Academy solely celebrating films that had little mass appeal; I believe that Titanic or Gladiator was the last crowd-pleasing hit film to take home Best Picture.

    Anyway, given that Get Out was nominated this year, despite being a mediocre hate-whitey film, and given Black Panther‘s the massive hype and you’d-better-give-it-a-good-review critical scores, the Academy will take the black version of Girlbusters and give it a nod. Heck, it might even Marisa Tomei it’s way into getting the Oscar.

    Not that Tomei didn’t deserve her Oscar for My Cousin Vinny, she was awesome. But it’s believed the vote was split among the other more established actresses in her category that year, allowing Tomei to surprisingly take the award.

    Anyway, the hype around Black Panther reminds me of the hype around Obama in 2008: lots of lefties and blacks heavily invested in truly believing the nonsensical and other-worldy hype, despite all evidence to the contrary.

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  145. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SteveRogers42
    50,000 years and no one in Africa ever thought to throw a saddle on a zebra.

    Home run!!!

    “…a saddle on a zebra.” Bingo!!

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    Next time at the plate, I will point to the center-field wall and call my shot.
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  146. Logan says:
    @Roderick Spode

    From Paul Cuffee’s attempts in 1811 to repatriate blacks to Sierra Leone and Marcus Garvey’s back-to-Africa Black Star shipping line to the Afrocentric movements of the ’60s and ’70s, black people have populated the Africa of our imagination with our most yearning attempts at self-realization.
     
    I mean, you could still go back. I would buy your ticket myself if I could afford to.


    Afrofuturism is like, ‘We gon be kangz n sheeit"
     
    They'll miss us.

    Interesting that they all think of themselves as kings. The problem with that is that kings require subjects or they have no importance.

    I think of this as being like those who remember “past lives.” Always a queen or great knight. Nobody ever remembers a previous life of degradation and suffering as a serf or slave.

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  147. Logan says:
    @Anon
    A contradiction about blacks and history.

    Black narrative has long been about suffering under hierarchy. So, rich and powerful whites enslaved blacks and made blacks serve as slaves. So, blacks learned of the evils of inequality. They identify with slaves and oppressed everywhere. And white liberals appreciate and admire blacks as a people-of-suffering. Having suffered under masters and oppressors, black experience and expression are about the little guy, the underdog, the downtrodden.

    And yet, all these fantasies are about blacks being 'kangz' and shi*. Now, what did kings do? They oppressed others. They monopolized power and wealth. They had serfs and slaves. They ruled over a very hierarchical system. They lived in ostentatious luxury while the masses toiled in the fields to have just enough to eat.

    If black history is about suffering and the need for equality, why all these fantasies of blacks as 'kangz'? Why do blacks want to claim Egypt over all other cultures when Egyptians were into extreme hierarchy? The black primitive tribes in Sub-Saharan Africa, for better or worse, were more 'equal' in wealth and power since they didn't have much.

    And this dream of blacks as 'kangz' isn't just a fantasy desire of blacks but of white liberals. White liberals used to see Negroes as Uncle Tom(the original noble victim) who be humble and just want justice. Back then, white liberals saw blacks as icons of equality and nobility of simple life.
    But now, white liberals want to see blacks as 'kangz', pharaohs, emperors, stars, heroes, etc. So, Newsweek features Obama conqueror as a cross between Napoleon and Toussaint. White Americans love the fact that Oprah is a billionaire. Music fans adore black idols as divas. White cuck men revere black athletes who whup white males and hump white females.

    So, in the end, nature wins over nurture and narrative. 12 YRS A SLAVE was good medicine but people didn't really like it. They felt obligated to like it. But BLACK PANTHER, that be da bomb.

    Now, what part of black nature made both blacks and white liberals favor the 'Kangz' fantasy over the noble slave narrative. By nature, black evolved to be warriors and hunters. Warriors and hunters were about domination. Paradoxically, a warrior culture is more egalitarian not because they value equality but because few warrior types are willing to be serfs or slaves.
    They all want to chuck spears, beat drums, and dance. Like Maori warriors. For there to be civilization, the alphas must rule over vast numbers of willing betas. But in a warrior culture, betas are weeded out, and most guys are alpha in attitude. Black Africa was like that. Each alpha wanted to be the lion killer and holder of trophy. So, black nature made blacks act like rappers who be at the center of the universe and deserving all blings, ho's, cadillacs, and guns. They wanna be Kangzsta. It's no wonder so many rappers modeled themselves on Tony Montana of SCARFACE.

    As for white liberals, they were sympathizing with the humble underdog, but it got so boring in a culture of hedonism, sensationalism, and celebrity. All these white liberals soon lost interest in Pete Seeger and Joan Baez and wanted to be fans of superstars like Beatles, Stones, and other big splashy stars. Since blacks won in sports, music, and had big voices, all these white liberal subconsciously began to see blacks as rightful rulers of the world on the basis of celebritymania and senso-centrism.
    So, if white liberals once sympathized with blacks for being noble slaves who sang "Nobody know the trouble I seen, nobody knows but Jesus" to worshiping blacks as the deserving god-emperors of cool, badass, and awesomeness without whom lame and dweeby whitebread folks would be lost. Among the elites, reggae is the #1 music. Among many white masses, there is worship of the big boss rapper. And just consider the gushing purple prose about the Obama painting. And BBC now feels the need to retro-alter white heroes and kings into black ones.

    We need some Darkasm, or sarcasm about dark folks. It's getting out of hand.
    Today, most blacks are angry not because they're treated unequally or less-than-human. They are pissed because not every Negro gets to be an Obama or Oprah. Being a 'Kang' or 'Queeon' is like a right or something that is 'rightfully' belonging to each alpha-souled Negro or Negress. Blacks now feel entitled to being 'kangz' and 'queeons' and shi*. It's just in their nature.

    APOCALYPTO is about how a civilization can be great but evil. Indeed, we are made to identify with simple folks who flee from Mayans who are mighty but oppressive.
    But BLACK PANTHER is a fantasy of monarchy and aristocracy. It has Emperor Jones mentality.

    I was watching Welles' OTHELLO recently and it really looks fabulous on blu-ray. But an interesting thing is how Othello goes from a symbol of libertine freedom to a symbol of possessive oppression.
    The story begins with the idea that love conquers all. So, it doesn't matter if Othello is a blackamoor or some such. It's love between him and the stupid white woman. They seem so easy and free. It's like Othello didn't force anything. It just happened naturally, and that's how things should be.

    But then, Iago pulls dirty tricks and gets Othello to thinking that his wife is fooling around with another guy. The interesting thing is Othello becomes Iago-like in emotions. He grows resentful and possessive. Now, Iago tricked Othello. The wife wasn't unfaithful.

    BUT, let's say she really was going with another guy. Why would Othello be so upset? If Othello-ism is about the freedom of love, indeed so much so that a white woman should disobey her pa and even go with a ghastly blackamoor, then Othello should be accepting of the possibility of his woman having fun with other men. After all, if love and passion conquer all, then nothing should bind anyone to anything.
    In the opening scene, Othello-ism is this breakdown of barriers. The white woman doesn't have to obey her father. She doesn't have to stick with her own race. If she got the hots for a blackamoor, so with him she must go. And that is Othello's attitude. 'We be breaking down barriers and do what comes naturally to our hearts.'
    But when he is made to suspect that she is going with another guy, he turns as nasty, resentful, and vicious as Iago. He, who'd felt that the white race has no special claim on a white woman, feels that He, a blackamoor, has a special claim on this white woman. His pride is invested in her being loyal to him and only to him. He is overcome with rage that Desdemona's love may not be directed only toward him but others(of her own race, btw). So, what belongs to others(or another race) should be open to him, BUT what belongs to him must only belong to him. He begins as a figure of inclusion but becomes a tyrant of exclusion.

    And there is this kind of logic in the white-black relationship. It's like whites must open up all their domains to the Negro. But once Negroes make claims in this white world, they and only they have right of ownership. So, gibs me all the blings. All the grammies, all the oscars, all the ho's, all the honors and honorifics.
    It's like HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME production at a high school. Blacks have this crazy notion that they deserve to own Esmeralda. And HAMILTON got the Negroes thinking they deserve the Founding Myth of America too.

    But then, this isn't really anything new. Whenever a barbarian or less-advanced people gained power over a more advanced people, they tried to take over the symbols and iconography of the more advanced peoples. Macedonians didn't just imitate Greeks but became like New Greeks. Manchus who invaded Chinese put on airs as Chinese emperors. Nubians invaded Egypt and took on the features of Pharaohs.

    In some cases, a people borrow stuff from other cultures and imitate it on their own lands. Even before Romans conquered Greeks, they had borrowed so much from Greeks.
    But in other cases, a people conquer another people and take over the culture as if it's been theirs all along. So, whether it was the Nubians, Greeks, or Romans who conquered Egypt, they saw something great and put on airs as new pharaohs when, in fact, their lineage had no roots in Egypt.

    When we look at the African invasion of Europe and with elite surrender to Afromania, we are seeing something similar.
    When the Germanic barbarians conquered Rome, there was much sacking and looting, but many barbarians were also very impressed and wanted to appropriate some of that glory and pretend to be new Caesars and feel connected to Roman glory. They wanted to be heirs of Rome, and Russian civilization developed as a fantasy extension of the Eastern Roman Empire, the Byzantium.

    With white Europeans having lost faith and confidence in their own culture and history, they feel that their legacy must all be bequeathed to another race, and their favorite is the black race that is most vibrant with alpha aggression.

    End of History was so wrong because it focused so much on ideology while ignoring the power of biology and 'iconology'.

    “He, who’d felt that the white race has no special claim on a white woman, feels that He, a blackamoor, has a special claim on this white woman.”

    Being her husband, he kind of does.

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    Being her husband, he kind of does.

    But what was their marriage based on? Dissolution of barriers & loyalties on the basis of natural flow of passion. That's the contradiction. It's true that in a marriage, loyalty is expected. But their marriage was not typical. It went against conventions and loyalties. So, it was like an anti-loyalty marriage. Sure, she pledged her loyalty to Othello by marrying him, but the marriage meant she would betray her father's wishes and her own race for a higher loyalty to a blackamoor. Othello himself is a traitor. He's a blackamoor, of Muslim Afro-Arab origin. But he fights for Christendom against the Turks and etc. So, even his loyalty to Venice is a kind of disloyalty to his own kind. Also, he is both a servant and conqueror of Venice. He fights for Venice in defeating and conquering enemies. But in doing so, he gains prestige and conquers a stupid white woman. He both defers to and defiles Venice. For a chance to say "where the white women at?", he will betray even his own kind. So, on the one hand, it means love/lust is higher than ethnic, tribal,or religious loyalty. Love/lust liberates and loosens. And yet, it also binds and chains one to the object of one's desire, and one also wants that object of desire to be chained to oneself, even unto death.

    The marriage was also based on meritocracy. Othello is a great warrior, and that means he has rights to say, "Where the white women at?" But if passion is all about meritocracy, why should he be so angry about suspicions that Desdemona is going with someone handsomer than him?
    It's like Jake Lamotta. He is tough and manly but ugly, and he can't stand his blonde wife looking at someone fairer than him... like Tony Janiro. Also, Lamotta dumped his first Jewish wife for the Vicky who's Romanian-American but looks like blonde Wasp shikse. So, again there are clashing themes. Love has no rules. One should follow one's passions, even dumping one's wife for a hotter woman. Lamotta went after Vicky on those grounds, but he can't stand the idea of her even looking at another guy. The thief is most possessive of what he stole. Same with immigration logic. Jews say, "how wonderful that Jews could FREELY move to Palestine." But what happened in the end? Jews 'stole' it and now are totally possessive of what they took from Palestinians who are not allowed to freely return to Palestine/Israel. (Jews in media also suppress the plight of white South Africans which is now like what Jews faced on eve of Holocaust. Jews say 'shame on the world' for turning a blind eye to Jews seeking refuge from Hitler. But now, Jews are shush about the looming bloodbath for whites in SA because the idea of 'whites saving whites from non-whites' undermines the Diversity and white-guilt narrative and boosts white identity and unity narrative.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YGn0l9zfew

    So, there are contradictions here. It's like Romeo and Juliet is both anti-tribal and neo-tribal. The two kids defy the clan feud where two families want to kill each other. But they form their own tribal bond of love that is so out of control that they would rather kill themselves than live in a world without the other.
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  148. @Paleo Liberal
    If there were black science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?

    Well, one of them would be named Octavia Butler.

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  149. @El Dato
    You mean to imply that Dhalgren is actually a black novel?

    That would be .... mindblowing.

    When I read Dhalgren, as well as some of the other early Delaney stuff, I had no idea he was black. From his writings, I could tell he had been a hippie in the 60s, and had lived in some sort of hippie commune.

    My brother knew Chip Delaney, and of course knew Chip was black.

    There was an interesting discussion my brother had with Delaney. Not long before then, I decided to read the book Dhalgren. I got about 100 pages from the end, and put down the book, and never finished. It was smooth sailing up to that point, but suddenly it got to be too much of a slog.

    Delaney laughed at that. Delaney said that whenever he was re-writing or editing Dhalgren, he always had to take a break at that point in the book. That part of the book was sometimes too hard even for Delaney.

    So, apparently my not finishing Dhalgren didn’t offend Chip Delaney at all.

    And yeah, the idea of Dhalgren being a “black novel” would be mind blowing.

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  150. @Anonymous
    Decades ago, I saw the hip hop movie Wild Style as the only white person in a cinema otherwise filled to about 90 percent capacity with blacks. This was in my racially unconscious, white boy blues and funk guitar loving days but I still became acutely conscious that, being as I wasn't prejudiced but they might be, I could be attacked, killed, even eaten. But pretty soon I got over it and had a good time listening to the blacks hoot and holler at the screen. It was fun, and I was unharmed-I was mostly ignored, and the one or two comments I got were cool-but it was the last time I remember being in that situation as far as a movie went.

    Well, almost. Once, in Greenwich Village, or maybe Chelsea in South Manhattan (I was in town for the AES convention, that was right after 9/11, and May Pang (former oriental girlfriend of John Lennon, and a damn sight prettier than that manatee Yoko Ono) was there. ) For some reason (and I leave to someone else to find the common thread between the above cinematic adventure and this one, there is one) I wound up being probably the only straight male in an arthouse cinema showing a film called The Fluffer. The homos were just like the blacks, hooting and hollering at every salacious reference to gayness.

    I saw Menace 2 Society in a theater with a largely black audience. When I was leaving, a young friendly black guy wanted to talk to me about what I thought of it. We had a good conversation. It was an interesting experience.

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  151. @Anonymous
    This is pure racial nationalism.

    It may be a wee bit exaggerated in terms of the abilities of the specific race in question ... but beyond that, what’s not to like?

    Nationalism? It’s supremacism.

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  152. @Anonymous

    written by American historian Arthur Herman
     
    You did get that part, right? It wasn't the Scots claiming anything.

    BTW, there are similar books about the Irish, the Jews, and virtually every other whining tribe which didn't actually invent civilization, or anything remotely close.

    Titling your book How the [insert ethnic group here] Invented Civilization is an excellent marketing gimmick. People of that group will buy it to give each other.

    I was in the advertising business when Brokaw’s The Greatest Generation came out. A coworker pointed out how brilliant that title was. “Most people don’t actually read books. They buy a book for the title. Most books are bought for presents. So if you need a present for your father, buying him The Greatest Generation is a way of telling him how great you think he is. Better than a Hallmark card.”

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  153. @Alec Leamas
    I believe I've heard it said that Subsaharans never domesticated any animals.

    It's hard to overestimate the labor-saving power of horses, oxen, dogs, etc. as well as the convenience of domestic livestock that more or less waits around for you to kill it rather than having to give chase with limited success.

    Africans had domesticated cattle and goats.

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    Africans had domesticated cattle and goats.
     
    I think you mean to say that they have domesticated cattle and goats, because they were acquired recently via trade with outsiders. Mouflon and Tuarine cattle were not native to Subsaharan Africa and were domesticated elsewhere.
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  154. @Logical Meme
    My god, types like Carvelle are increasingly living in an alternate reality, becoming a cult like Scientology, where the ‘power of the mind’ can create, from whole cloth, an imagined history, imagined present, and imagined future. What is scary is mainstream publications giving this racial projection a platform.

    What is scary is mainstream publications giving this racial projection a platform.

    Yep. It’s a bad idea to tell cultural lies to people. See also the glory of trannies.

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  155. @Paleo Liberal
    If there were black science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?
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  156. JimB says:
    @Pericles

    This movie is guaranteed to do well at the box office. The first week take is all that matters.

     

    The press joyously reports that the take will be goosed with some of them school dollas too. Children dancing on their school desks in Atlanta, etc. They will have a day learning about various uplifting blackity black things, though possibly not the historical details of the actual Black Panthers.

    Well, whatever else one might say, you have to applaud Disney for their marketing skills.

    Maybe this will start a trend: the Black History Month “Blackbuster.”

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  157. MNL says:
    @Bilgeman
    Is it a place to colonize with your dreams?

    Perhaps.

    But to my non-Black eyes, it is just as likely to be your people's "Ghost Dance".

    … Came to the comments to see if someone else saw the Ghost Dance similarities as well–a last ditch fantasy, a religious fervor, that swept American Indians in the late 1800′s. It seems that back then (as well as now) it’s far easier to invent a myth about one’s racial and cultural origins and destiny than it is to acknowledge the harsh facts about it. Cognitive dissonance and all that.

    Moreover, even the Ghost Dance’s lead spiritualist at the time, an Indian prophet named “Wovoka” (a.k.a. Jack Wilson), has a name that bears a slight verbal assonance with “Wakanda.” Coincidence?

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  158. SOL says:

    “Its secret, of course, is inevitably discovered, and as the world’s evil powers plot to extract the resources of yet another African nation,”

    Of course China will not be shown as one of these evil powers, because Black Panther is going to be shown in China and make big $$$!

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  159. @Harry Baldwin
    Though Iceland was a member of NATO, not all US troops were welcome there.

    The Iceland Defense Force (IDF) was a military command of the United States Armed Forces from 1951 to 2006. The IDF, created at the request of NATO, came into existence when the United States signed an agreement to provide for the defense of Iceland, which has only limited defense forces....

    From 1951 to 1959, a secret ban was imposed by the Icelandic government on the stationing of black US troops in Iceland. This racial ban was disclosed in late 1959. The Icelandic government relented somewhat from this policy in 1961, when it declared that it "will not oppose the inclusion of three or four colored soldiers in the Defense Force, but hopes that they will be carefully selected". The number of black troops increased gradually throughout the 1960s, and all restrictions were most likely unofficially withdrawn in the 1970s or 1980s.
     
    According to an article in the Journal of Cold War Studies, the ban was for the purposes of protecting Icelandic women and preserving a homogeneous national body.

    According to an article in the Journal of Cold War Studies, the ban was for the purposes of protecting Icelandic women and preserving a homogeneous national body.

    According to an article in the Journal of Cold War Studies, the ban was for the purposes of protecting Icelandic women and preserving a homogeneous national booty.

    Fixed it for you.

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  160. I know where I won’t be on February 16. Anywhere near a movie theater playing this thing.

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  161. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    To all the naysayers and snark peddlers.

    You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors' toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say "thank you" to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.

    Ohs Tinys….they you’n go agin talkin out cho ass. We goin to have to be havin another 1 o our sessions to be fixin yo’s attstituds. You best be startin yo “ecksersizes” now.

    Lendspert “be’s hatin to bring teh tuff luv to his Tinys” pizzts

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  162. @syonredux

    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It’s a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.
     
    Some of the more notable Scots: David Hume, James Watt, James Clerk Maxwell, Adam Smith.....

    And also John Knox, Thomas Guthrie, Andrew A. Bodnar, and of course Eric Liddle,

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  163. @Pericles
    For the reference of sheltered readers, it's much like the hooting and hollering of whites at the screening of an Ingmar Bergman movie.

    Uh, yeah, especially during the big scene during the Virgin Spring.

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  164. Svigor says:

    Black narrative has long been about suffering under hierarchy. So, rich and powerful whites enslaved blacks and made blacks serve as slaves. So, blacks learned of the evils of inequality. They identify with slaves and oppressed everywhere. And white liberals appreciate and admire blacks as a people-of-suffering. Having suffered under masters and oppressors, black experience and expression are about the little guy, the underdog, the downtrodden.

    “Narrative,” okay, I guess a “narrative” doesn’t have to be historically accurate. Because “whites enslaved blacks” is almost entirely inaccurate. Whites helped black slavers on a handful incursions, but for the most part, enslaving blacks was an all black/north African affair. Buying a slave isn’t “enslaving” anyone.

    Whites may appreciate and admire blacks as people-of-suffering, but that’s just the end of a circuitous route. The starting point is the delusion of human group cognitive equality. Leftists start with this delusion of equality, and thus grasp for something, anything, to serve as blacks’ niche, something blacks are good at to answer the achievements of other groups. They inevitably come up with abstract or unfalsifiable stuff like “spirituality” and “suffering.”

    I saw Menace 2 Society in a theater with a largely black audience.

    Same here. Did you notice the current pass through the crowd when the black mentor gave his stupid “the hunt is on, and you’re the prey” speech?

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  165. Svigor says:

    By “largely,” I mean everyone but me and my friend.

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  166. @syonredux

    Tucked high amid rough mountains, Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it. …
     
    Lesotho:

    https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/lesotho_0.jpg

    Wakanda:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT1FKnTVwAEFR8b.jpg

    Why is Wakanda so bloody UGLY?? Are they afraid that beautiful buildings would be seen as somehow bowing down to Whitey? They gotta be these weird freaky buildings with bizarre shapes? Who designed them,Yoshio Taniguchi?
    And who cleans the buildings at night? Mexicans?

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    And who cleans the buildings at night?

    Wakandians generate no litter. The litter and debris in America's black neighborhoods is a manifestation of white supremacy.
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  167. The artistic movement called Afrofuturism, a decidedly black creation, is meant to go far beyond the limitations of the white imagination. It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space. It is the idea that we [black people] will have won the future.

    “Afrofuturism”… The idea that black people win the future. This is so nakedly racist, black nationalist, and bigoted against white people. Wow…

    I almost said that that is beneath the NYT, but of course it isn’t. But this will be thrown back in the NYT’s face when they try to claim some moral high ground of anti-racism, pluralism, and diversity.

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    But this will be thrown back in the NYT’s face when they try to claim some moral high ground of anti-racism, pluralism, and diversity.

    Yeah, but we throw that kind of stuff back in their faces all the time. They don't care. It's not like they don't know they're being hypocritical. It just never occurs to them that they shouldn't be. Their job is to say whatever they need to say at any given moment, and then forget about it, so they can be ready to push the next little bit of narrative they need to push. That's it.
    , @The Plutonium Kid

    “Afrofuturism”… The idea that black people win the future. This is so nakedly racist, black nationalist, and bigoted against white people. Wow…
     
    Have you seen the skyrocketing birth rates for sub-Sahara Africa compared to Europe and Asia?
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  168. @Anonymous

    written by American historian Arthur Herman
     
    You did get that part, right? It wasn't the Scots claiming anything.

    BTW, there are similar books about the Irish, the Jews, and virtually every other whining tribe which didn't actually invent civilization, or anything remotely close.

    Of course,there has been no claim of the Irish inventing civilization, just saving it.

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  169. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    The artistic movement called Afrofuturism, a decidedly black creation, is meant to go far beyond the limitations of the white imagination. It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space. It is the idea that we [black people] will have won the future.
     
    "Afrofuturism"... The idea that black people win the future. This is so nakedly racist, black nationalist, and bigoted against white people. Wow...

    I almost said that that is beneath the NYT, but of course it isn't. But this will be thrown back in the NYT's face when they try to claim some moral high ground of anti-racism, pluralism, and diversity.

    But this will be thrown back in the NYT’s face when they try to claim some moral high ground of anti-racism, pluralism, and diversity.

    Yeah, but we throw that kind of stuff back in their faces all the time. They don’t care. It’s not like they don’t know they’re being hypocritical. It just never occurs to them that they shouldn’t be. Their job is to say whatever they need to say at any given moment, and then forget about it, so they can be ready to push the next little bit of narrative they need to push. That’s it.

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  170. BB753 says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you real-life Wakanda!!

    https://visitdetroit.com/

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    No, Detroit was destroyed by whites who were triggered by Stevie Wonder.
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  171. @Father O'Hara
    Why is Wakanda so bloody UGLY?? Are they afraid that beautiful buildings would be seen as somehow bowing down to Whitey? They gotta be these weird freaky buildings with bizarre shapes? Who designed them,Yoshio Taniguchi?
    And who cleans the buildings at night? Mexicans?

    And who cleans the buildings at night?

    Wakandians generate no litter. The litter and debris in America’s black neighborhoods is a manifestation of white supremacy.

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  172. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Talk about your rationalization hamster. She didn't buy tickets because she is afraid to go into a theater that will be mostly filled with black people, but she could never admit this, even to herself.

    Going to movies with a black audience is a fun cultural experience, in a way, as long as you don't expect to actually hear the movie (and as long as you don't get mugged in the parking lot) . Blacks regard theater as an interactive experience, like a black church, so they will shout out to the screen. Blacks can be verbally facile and sometimes the stuff they shout out is funny.

    http://www.struggle.ws/africa/accounts/chekov/cameroon.html

    The following evening we went to see an American film, ‘Hurricane’, at the cinema. The audience of about 200 people, was boisterous, groups of excited teenagers swigging whiskey on a Saturday night out. The film traced the career of a black American boxer persecuted by racist police. For the first half of the film, all the white people were deep South racists. African audiences are always demonstrative and vocal. Normally it is part of the fun of visiting the cinema, but on this occasion it lost its charm as the group of drunken youths behind us started shouting racial abuse, obviously aimed at us, the only whites in the cinema. “Yea that’s what all whites are like, they’re pigs”, “fucking whites”. We were most relieved when the inevitable Hollywood affirmation of America and its justice kicked in. In the second half of the film, some good whites emerged and helped to free the imprisoned hero. The audience’s mood changed miraculously as the hero realised that all whites aren’t racist. In the final scene of the film, the white US supreme court judge delivers an eloquent speech freeing the hero. Several people leapt into the air with joy. The tension had disappeared completely and we escaped before risking the crowd’s reaction to the second film of the double header.

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  173. @Paleo Liberal
    If there were black science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?

    Correction: “If there were black, homosexual science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?”

    Delaney is one of the greats. Octavia Butler? Meh!

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    Samuel Delaney likes his boys underage, and is an avid NAMBLA supporter.

    http://www.castaliahouse.com/safe-space-as-rape-room-science-fiction-culture-and-childhoods-end-part-2-of-5/

    Vox Day has deservedly written very unflattering pieces about Delany and his circle of pedophiles.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    What is Delaney's best work?
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  174. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Saw Sun Ra perform way back when in college. Was one of the most amazing concerts I ever went to. Didn’t even need drugs to enjoy it!

     

    Once in a while the Y goes out on this strip mall's sign, and I swear Sun Ra's ghost is responsible:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmjack/8144633102

    Odd fact: Sun Ra was from Birmingham, and the mall is in St Paul. Both cities use Vulcan as a symbol.

    https://vulcaninformationpackaging.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/vulcan-birmingham-alabama.jpg
    https://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2016-Vulcan-Krewe-001.jpg

    Odd fact: Sun Ra was from Birmingham, and the mall is in St Paul. Both cities use Vulcan as a symbol.

    There are no coincidences. I pass by that sign too on the way to Wisconsin, sometimes it’s UN RAY … and no, to this point, the voice in my head hasn’t/ isn’t telling me to hurt myself or others. It is telling me to search for . . . vibranium.

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  175. “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?”

    Well, there was a video on YouTube of a Chinese man explaining to a Sudanese man how they were left with modern technology after Independence…something China didn’t even have at the time….. that they let fall into disrepair and it fell apart and that man talked about how it was going to take generations to set things right.

    well that video was saved to my channel and has since been removed by YouTube. So there you go, that’s what happens. The liberals wanna “protect” you from yourselves.

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    That's the climax of the excellent documentary "Empire Of Dust."
    , @anon
    It sounds like you're referring to "Empire Of Dust". Here's the trailer.

    https://youtu.be/mzyaa2tfwBk

    They could have taken it down for legit copyright reasons. The full thing gets uploaded and taken down fairly regularly. It's actually surprisingly hard to get your hands on a legit copy, though, so I don't know how they expect you to see it.

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  176. @Jim Don Bob
    CARVELL WALLACE

    http://s.huffpost.com/contributors/carvell-wallace/headshot.jpg

    Carvell makes great candies.

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  177. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I usually comment under a username but I’m going anonymous to not reveal the identities of others.

    An old friend of mine from my flyover, but big, hometown is a big wig in the technological logistical end of the movie distribution biz. I was in his/her current hometown and got invited to see BP in his/her 16 seat home theatre.

    I’m not much of a movie critic but, no suprise, BP seemed like the usual super-hero crapola to me. I’m always amazed that anyone over 14 could like this crap enough to buy a ticket. Three things struck me.

    1. There is a campy/homoerotic undercurrent running through some of the scenes almost like the 60’s tv Batman.

    2. In my unexpert marketing opinion BP is too goody two shoes for a black American audience, he’s all about rules and duties and such. He’s not Shaft or Superfly.

    3. Speaking of Shaft and Superfly the music seemed very tame; again, in my unexpert marketing opinion it just didn’t seem black enough.

    I couldn’t tell what others thought as 4 people there were African-American so everyone self censored. I’ll be very, very interested to see what you think.

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  178. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Logan
    "He, who’d felt that the white race has no special claim on a white woman, feels that He, a blackamoor, has a special claim on this white woman."

    Being her husband, he kind of does.

    Being her husband, he kind of does.

    But what was their marriage based on? Dissolution of barriers & loyalties on the basis of natural flow of passion. That’s the contradiction. It’s true that in a marriage, loyalty is expected. But their marriage was not typical. It went against conventions and loyalties. So, it was like an anti-loyalty marriage. Sure, she pledged her loyalty to Othello by marrying him, but the marriage meant she would betray her father’s wishes and her own race for a higher loyalty to a blackamoor. Othello himself is a traitor. He’s a blackamoor, of Muslim Afro-Arab origin. But he fights for Christendom against the Turks and etc. So, even his loyalty to Venice is a kind of disloyalty to his own kind. Also, he is both a servant and conqueror of Venice. He fights for Venice in defeating and conquering enemies. But in doing so, he gains prestige and conquers a stupid white woman. He both defers to and defiles Venice. For a chance to say “where the white women at?”, he will betray even his own kind. So, on the one hand, it means love/lust is higher than ethnic, tribal,or religious loyalty. Love/lust liberates and loosens. And yet, it also binds and chains one to the object of one’s desire, and one also wants that object of desire to be chained to oneself, even unto death.

    The marriage was also based on meritocracy. Othello is a great warrior, and that means he has rights to say, “Where the white women at?” But if passion is all about meritocracy, why should he be so angry about suspicions that Desdemona is going with someone handsomer than him?
    It’s like Jake Lamotta. He is tough and manly but ugly, and he can’t stand his blonde wife looking at someone fairer than him… like Tony Janiro. Also, Lamotta dumped his first Jewish wife for the Vicky who’s Romanian-American but looks like blonde Wasp shikse. So, again there are clashing themes. Love has no rules. One should follow one’s passions, even dumping one’s wife for a hotter woman. Lamotta went after Vicky on those grounds, but he can’t stand the idea of her even looking at another guy. The thief is most possessive of what he stole. Same with immigration logic. Jews say, “how wonderful that Jews could FREELY move to Palestine.” But what happened in the end? Jews ‘stole’ it and now are totally possessive of what they took from Palestinians who are not allowed to freely return to Palestine/Israel. (Jews in media also suppress the plight of white South Africans which is now like what Jews faced on eve of Holocaust. Jews say ‘shame on the world’ for turning a blind eye to Jews seeking refuge from Hitler. But now, Jews are shush about the looming bloodbath for whites in SA because the idea of ‘whites saving whites from non-whites’ undermines the Diversity and white-guilt narrative and boosts white identity and unity narrative.)

    So, there are contradictions here. It’s like Romeo and Juliet is both anti-tribal and neo-tribal. The two kids defy the clan feud where two families want to kill each other. But they form their own tribal bond of love that is so out of control that they would rather kill themselves than live in a world without the other.

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    " The thief is most possessive of what he stole."

    You'll always find that criminal sorts take being robbed kinda personal.
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  179. @anonymous
    Home run!!!

    "...a saddle on a zebra." Bingo!!

    Next time at the plate, I will point to the center-field wall and call my shot.

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  180. CCZ says:
    @Tiny Duck
    To all the naysayers and snark peddlers.

    You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors' toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say "thank you" to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.

    Unless you are New York Times commentor Paul King (USA), your comments are called “plagiarism” as the below verbatim text copy shows Mr. King posted his comments to the Times article 1 day ago. His comment is currently the third comment under all readers comments sorted by newest comments. We do read the NY Times comments, if only to know what nonsense is being peddled to SJWs and POC and how they respond. And you said that you teach at a university?? Shame on you!!

    Paul King USA 1 day ago

    To all the naysayers and snark peddlers.

    You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors’ toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say “thank you” to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/12/magazine/why-black-panther-is-a-defining-moment-for-black-america.html

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    Tiny Duck plagiarizes "our African-American countrymen and countrywomen" after he retcons himself as a Canadian. He can't keep his stories straight.

    And you said that you teach at a university??
     
    Another retcon.
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  181. J.Ross says: • Website
    @JimB
    Did you see the brilliant RLM takedown of Ghostbusters 2016? It’s totally worth the hour of your life.

    https://youtu.be/AHUV8QLpEAc

    Thanks, I’ll check it out.

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  182. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Tucked high amid rough mountains, Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it. …
     
    Lesotho:

    https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/lesotho_0.jpg

    Wakanda:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT1FKnTVwAEFR8b.jpg

    Where are the commenters to draw the comparisons between the skylines of Wakanda and Lagos?

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    Where are the commenters to draw the comparisons between the skylines of Wakanda and Lagos?
     
    Did Coogler say that he was inspired by Lagos?
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  183. BB753 says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Correction: "If there were black, homosexual science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?"

    Delaney is one of the greats. Octavia Butler? Meh!

    Samuel Delaney likes his boys underage, and is an avid NAMBLA supporter.

    http://www.castaliahouse.com/safe-space-as-rape-room-science-fiction-culture-and-childhoods-end-part-2-of-5/

    Vox Day has deservedly written very unflattering pieces about Delany and his circle of pedophiles.

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  184. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you real-life Wakanda!!

    https://visitdetroit.com/

    No, Detroit was destroyed by whites who were triggered by Stevie Wonder.

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    LOL! Isn't there actually some black apologist who wrote some piece to that effect?
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  186. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    It don’t mean a thing if you aint got that bling.

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  187. @Massimo Heitor

    The artistic movement called Afrofuturism, a decidedly black creation, is meant to go far beyond the limitations of the white imagination. It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space. It is the idea that we [black people] will have won the future.
     
    "Afrofuturism"... The idea that black people win the future. This is so nakedly racist, black nationalist, and bigoted against white people. Wow...

    I almost said that that is beneath the NYT, but of course it isn't. But this will be thrown back in the NYT's face when they try to claim some moral high ground of anti-racism, pluralism, and diversity.

    “Afrofuturism”… The idea that black people win the future. This is so nakedly racist, black nationalist, and bigoted against white people. Wow…

    Have you seen the skyrocketing birth rates for sub-Sahara Africa compared to Europe and Asia?

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  188. @Anon
    A contradiction about blacks and history.

    Black narrative has long been about suffering under hierarchy. So, rich and powerful whites enslaved blacks and made blacks serve as slaves. So, blacks learned of the evils of inequality. They identify with slaves and oppressed everywhere. And white liberals appreciate and admire blacks as a people-of-suffering. Having suffered under masters and oppressors, black experience and expression are about the little guy, the underdog, the downtrodden.

    And yet, all these fantasies are about blacks being 'kangz' and shi*. Now, what did kings do? They oppressed others. They monopolized power and wealth. They had serfs and slaves. They ruled over a very hierarchical system. They lived in ostentatious luxury while the masses toiled in the fields to have just enough to eat.

    If black history is about suffering and the need for equality, why all these fantasies of blacks as 'kangz'? Why do blacks want to claim Egypt over all other cultures when Egyptians were into extreme hierarchy? The black primitive tribes in Sub-Saharan Africa, for better or worse, were more 'equal' in wealth and power since they didn't have much.

    And this dream of blacks as 'kangz' isn't just a fantasy desire of blacks but of white liberals. White liberals used to see Negroes as Uncle Tom(the original noble victim) who be humble and just want justice. Back then, white liberals saw blacks as icons of equality and nobility of simple life.
    But now, white liberals want to see blacks as 'kangz', pharaohs, emperors, stars, heroes, etc. So, Newsweek features Obama conqueror as a cross between Napoleon and Toussaint. White Americans love the fact that Oprah is a billionaire. Music fans adore black idols as divas. White cuck men revere black athletes who whup white males and hump white females.

    So, in the end, nature wins over nurture and narrative. 12 YRS A SLAVE was good medicine but people didn't really like it. They felt obligated to like it. But BLACK PANTHER, that be da bomb.

    Now, what part of black nature made both blacks and white liberals favor the 'Kangz' fantasy over the noble slave narrative. By nature, black evolved to be warriors and hunters. Warriors and hunters were about domination. Paradoxically, a warrior culture is more egalitarian not because they value equality but because few warrior types are willing to be serfs or slaves.
    They all want to chuck spears, beat drums, and dance. Like Maori warriors. For there to be civilization, the alphas must rule over vast numbers of willing betas. But in a warrior culture, betas are weeded out, and most guys are alpha in attitude. Black Africa was like that. Each alpha wanted to be the lion killer and holder of trophy. So, black nature made blacks act like rappers who be at the center of the universe and deserving all blings, ho's, cadillacs, and guns. They wanna be Kangzsta. It's no wonder so many rappers modeled themselves on Tony Montana of SCARFACE.

    As for white liberals, they were sympathizing with the humble underdog, but it got so boring in a culture of hedonism, sensationalism, and celebrity. All these white liberals soon lost interest in Pete Seeger and Joan Baez and wanted to be fans of superstars like Beatles, Stones, and other big splashy stars. Since blacks won in sports, music, and had big voices, all these white liberal subconsciously began to see blacks as rightful rulers of the world on the basis of celebritymania and senso-centrism.
    So, if white liberals once sympathized with blacks for being noble slaves who sang "Nobody know the trouble I seen, nobody knows but Jesus" to worshiping blacks as the deserving god-emperors of cool, badass, and awesomeness without whom lame and dweeby whitebread folks would be lost. Among the elites, reggae is the #1 music. Among many white masses, there is worship of the big boss rapper. And just consider the gushing purple prose about the Obama painting. And BBC now feels the need to retro-alter white heroes and kings into black ones.

    We need some Darkasm, or sarcasm about dark folks. It's getting out of hand.
    Today, most blacks are angry not because they're treated unequally or less-than-human. They are pissed because not every Negro gets to be an Obama or Oprah. Being a 'Kang' or 'Queeon' is like a right or something that is 'rightfully' belonging to each alpha-souled Negro or Negress. Blacks now feel entitled to being 'kangz' and 'queeons' and shi*. It's just in their nature.

    APOCALYPTO is about how a civilization can be great but evil. Indeed, we are made to identify with simple folks who flee from Mayans who are mighty but oppressive.
    But BLACK PANTHER is a fantasy of monarchy and aristocracy. It has Emperor Jones mentality.

    I was watching Welles' OTHELLO recently and it really looks fabulous on blu-ray. But an interesting thing is how Othello goes from a symbol of libertine freedom to a symbol of possessive oppression.
    The story begins with the idea that love conquers all. So, it doesn't matter if Othello is a blackamoor or some such. It's love between him and the stupid white woman. They seem so easy and free. It's like Othello didn't force anything. It just happened naturally, and that's how things should be.

    But then, Iago pulls dirty tricks and gets Othello to thinking that his wife is fooling around with another guy. The interesting thing is Othello becomes Iago-like in emotions. He grows resentful and possessive. Now, Iago tricked Othello. The wife wasn't unfaithful.

    BUT, let's say she really was going with another guy. Why would Othello be so upset? If Othello-ism is about the freedom of love, indeed so much so that a white woman should disobey her pa and even go with a ghastly blackamoor, then Othello should be accepting of the possibility of his woman having fun with other men. After all, if love and passion conquer all, then nothing should bind anyone to anything.
    In the opening scene, Othello-ism is this breakdown of barriers. The white woman doesn't have to obey her father. She doesn't have to stick with her own race. If she got the hots for a blackamoor, so with him she must go. And that is Othello's attitude. 'We be breaking down barriers and do what comes naturally to our hearts.'
    But when he is made to suspect that she is going with another guy, he turns as nasty, resentful, and vicious as Iago. He, who'd felt that the white race has no special claim on a white woman, feels that He, a blackamoor, has a special claim on this white woman. His pride is invested in her being loyal to him and only to him. He is overcome with rage that Desdemona's love may not be directed only toward him but others(of her own race, btw). So, what belongs to others(or another race) should be open to him, BUT what belongs to him must only belong to him. He begins as a figure of inclusion but becomes a tyrant of exclusion.

    And there is this kind of logic in the white-black relationship. It's like whites must open up all their domains to the Negro. But once Negroes make claims in this white world, they and only they have right of ownership. So, gibs me all the blings. All the grammies, all the oscars, all the ho's, all the honors and honorifics.
    It's like HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME production at a high school. Blacks have this crazy notion that they deserve to own Esmeralda. And HAMILTON got the Negroes thinking they deserve the Founding Myth of America too.

    But then, this isn't really anything new. Whenever a barbarian or less-advanced people gained power over a more advanced people, they tried to take over the symbols and iconography of the more advanced peoples. Macedonians didn't just imitate Greeks but became like New Greeks. Manchus who invaded Chinese put on airs as Chinese emperors. Nubians invaded Egypt and took on the features of Pharaohs.

    In some cases, a people borrow stuff from other cultures and imitate it on their own lands. Even before Romans conquered Greeks, they had borrowed so much from Greeks.
    But in other cases, a people conquer another people and take over the culture as if it's been theirs all along. So, whether it was the Nubians, Greeks, or Romans who conquered Egypt, they saw something great and put on airs as new pharaohs when, in fact, their lineage had no roots in Egypt.

    When we look at the African invasion of Europe and with elite surrender to Afromania, we are seeing something similar.
    When the Germanic barbarians conquered Rome, there was much sacking and looting, but many barbarians were also very impressed and wanted to appropriate some of that glory and pretend to be new Caesars and feel connected to Roman glory. They wanted to be heirs of Rome, and Russian civilization developed as a fantasy extension of the Eastern Roman Empire, the Byzantium.

    With white Europeans having lost faith and confidence in their own culture and history, they feel that their legacy must all be bequeathed to another race, and their favorite is the black race that is most vibrant with alpha aggression.

    End of History was so wrong because it focused so much on ideology while ignoring the power of biology and 'iconology'.

    APOCALYPTO is about how a civilization can be great but evil. Indeed, we are made to identify with simple folks who flee from Mayans who are mighty but oppressive.|

    I take it this is Priss? I saw the film more as a metaphor for the way a weakening civilisation ends up plundering itself before its final capitulation (the coming of Columbus).

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  189. This is why it doesn’t matter that Wakanda was an idea from a comic book, created by two Jewish artists.

    So when will these two Jewish artists get around to creating a technologically advanced white country guided by a visionary leader who … oh wait a minute! Never mind.

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  190. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Correction: "If there were black, homosexual science fiction writers, would they be named Samuel Delaney?"

    Delaney is one of the greats. Octavia Butler? Meh!

    What is Delaney’s best work?

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  191. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @twentycents
    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It's a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

    You probably think Paul Joseph Watson is out there on the cutting edge too.

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  192. @Hodag
    More than anything this mania is reminiscent of the marketing push for the Spike Lee movie Malcolm X. Spike was all over TV and newspapers telling black people to take their kids out of school to watch the movie.

    Spike’s push for “Malcolm X” was more of a one man job. I really had to admire his indefatigability at dreaming up fake media controversies day after day for several weeks before his pretty good movie was finally released to a tepid public response.

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  193. BB753 says:
    @Anon
    No, Detroit was destroyed by whites who were triggered by Stevie Wonder.

    LOL! Isn’t there actually some black apologist who wrote some piece to that effect?

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    Andrew O'Hehir beat blacks to it. You see, even white Libs are 'racist' in stealing the bling-o-brilliance from blacks. When O'Hehir surmised that Motown is what drove whites out of Detroit, I'll bet a bunch of blacks were saying, "Dang, that white boy stole my line."
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  194. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Question. How far are the elites willing to push Wakandistics?

    Are we supposed to believe it’s ‘real’ in the sense that Bruce Jenner is a real ‘woman’ named ‘Caitlyn’?

    Will City Magazine choose it Wakanda as ‘city of the year’ like Bruce got to be ‘woman of the year’?

    http://citymagazineonline.com/

    Will it be like Kangri-La? Will entire novels be written about it, like LOST HORIZON?

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    Kangri-La! That is awesome. Give that guy a gold box.
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  195. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    LOL! Isn't there actually some black apologist who wrote some piece to that effect?

    Andrew O’Hehir beat blacks to it. You see, even white Libs are ‘racist’ in stealing the bling-o-brilliance from blacks. When O’Hehir surmised that Motown is what drove whites out of Detroit, I’ll bet a bunch of blacks were saying, “Dang, that white boy stole my line.”

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  196. J.Ross says: • Website

    Fellow white people, remember not to buy any merchandise!
    You’re not letting your kids dress as Black Panther if they’re not white are you? You’re not a cultural appropriating racist are you?

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/style/black-panther-children-costumes.html?referer=

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  197. J.Ross says: • Website
    @interesting
    “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?"



    Well, there was a video on YouTube of a Chinese man explaining to a Sudanese man how they were left with modern technology after Independence...something China didn't even have at the time..... that they let fall into disrepair and it fell apart and that man talked about how it was going to take generations to set things right.

    well that video was saved to my channel and has since been removed by YouTube. So there you go, that's what happens. The liberals wanna "protect" you from yourselves.

    That’s the climax of the excellent documentary “Empire Of Dust.”

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  198. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Hodag
    More than anything this mania is reminiscent of the marketing push for the Spike Lee movie Malcolm X. Spike was all over TV and newspapers telling black people to take their kids out of school to watch the movie.

    Oh man, I forgot about that movie. Remember those “X” baseball caps that they had for that movie?

    I wish I had time to get one of those embroidered, so I could wear it to the premier of Black Panther and get my picture taken. With my 8-ball jacket too, of course.

    And I’d go to one of those theaters that has the bar with the specialty cocktails for all the big movies, and get really wasted on the specialty Black Panther drink and scream “Wakandaaaa!!” when the movie let out.

    I bet I could’ve gotten my picture in the newspaper if I had thought of that.

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    I bet I could’ve gotten my picture in the newspaper if I had thought of that.
     
    Right, and the picture would have been you getting your honkie ass kicked by the brothers for dissing Wakanda. And sheeit.
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  199. syonredux says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    I think Ethiopia had a written language before any Europeans did, but I take your main point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%27ez_script

    "The earliest inscriptions of Semitic languages in Eritrea and Ethiopia date to the 9th century BC in Epigraphic South Arabian (ESA), an abjad shared with contemporary kingdoms in South Arabia. After the 7th and 6th centuries BC, however, variants of the script arose, evolving in the direction of the Ge'ez abugida (a writing system that is also called an alphasyllabary)."
     

    I think Ethiopia had a written language before any Europeans did, but I take your main point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%27ez_script

    “The earliest inscriptions of Semitic languages in Eritrea and Ethiopia date to the 9th century BC in Epigraphic South Arabian (ESA), an abjad shared with contemporary kingdoms in South Arabia. After the 7th and 6th centuries BC, however, variants of the script arose, evolving in the direction of the Ge’ez abugida (a writing system that is also called an alphasyllabary).”

    The writing systems used in Bronze Age Greece (Linear A and Linear B) are older:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B

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    Forgot those pesky Greeks, but OK, certainly before Western Europe had written language.
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  200. syonredux says:
    @anon
    Where are the commenters to draw the comparisons between the skylines of Wakanda and Lagos?

    Where are the commenters to draw the comparisons between the skylines of Wakanda and Lagos?

    Did Coogler say that he was inspired by Lagos?

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  201. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @interesting
    “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?"



    Well, there was a video on YouTube of a Chinese man explaining to a Sudanese man how they were left with modern technology after Independence...something China didn't even have at the time..... that they let fall into disrepair and it fell apart and that man talked about how it was going to take generations to set things right.

    well that video was saved to my channel and has since been removed by YouTube. So there you go, that's what happens. The liberals wanna "protect" you from yourselves.

    It sounds like you’re referring to “Empire Of Dust”. Here’s the trailer.

    They could have taken it down for legit copyright reasons. The full thing gets uploaded and taken down fairly regularly. It’s actually surprisingly hard to get your hands on a legit copy, though, so I don’t know how they expect you to see it.

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    Copyright shmopyright, there is a censorship campaign on anything deemed alt-right, and this doc was endorsed and linked in every eighth thread on /pol/ for the past year. They are currently in a lawsuit with Dennis Prager because they think he is in bed with Richard Spencer. Prager went forward with the lawsuit because they are flagrantly violating their stated standards by censoring him. They were as arrogant and dumb as when they fired Damore. They are power tripping. Unilever (which makes half of everything in a normal grocery store) just supported this by threatening to withdraw their massive advertising contracts from platforms that did not embrace the Chinese concept of free speech.
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  202. @neutral

    Lesotho was spared much of the colonization of its neighbors, and Coogler based much of his concept of Wakanda on it
     
    Actually it would have been better to base it on Swaziland. The stereotypical view of an ideal African country tends to be in a jungle type environment, Lesotho is mountainous and can get cold, Swaziland has dense foliage and is hotter. Swaziland, unlike a lot of other African states, has no visible litter so it makes a for a pleasant "African feel" tourist destination. Swaziland is however ruled by an absolute monarch who gets to pick new wife every year, this is something I doubt the SJWs at Marvel comics would want to represent in the Wakandan utopia though.

    Swaziland is however ruled by an absolute monarch who gets to pick new wife every year, this is something I doubt the SJWs at Marvel comics would want to represent in the Wakandan utopia though

    Or the Weinsteinian utopia. Which has now been Ceaușescued.

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  203. @The Plutonium Kid
    Africans had domesticated cattle and goats.

    Africans had domesticated cattle and goats.

    I think you mean to say that they have domesticated cattle and goats, because they were acquired recently via trade with outsiders. Mouflon and Tuarine cattle were not native to Subsaharan Africa and were domesticated elsewhere.

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  204. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anon
    It sounds like you're referring to "Empire Of Dust". Here's the trailer.

    https://youtu.be/mzyaa2tfwBk

    They could have taken it down for legit copyright reasons. The full thing gets uploaded and taken down fairly regularly. It's actually surprisingly hard to get your hands on a legit copy, though, so I don't know how they expect you to see it.

    Copyright shmopyright, there is a censorship campaign on anything deemed alt-right, and this doc was endorsed and linked in every eighth thread on /pol/ for the past year. They are currently in a lawsuit with Dennis Prager because they think he is in bed with Richard Spencer. Prager went forward with the lawsuit because they are flagrantly violating their stated standards by censoring him. They were as arrogant and dumb as when they fired Damore. They are power tripping. Unilever (which makes half of everything in a normal grocery store) just supported this by threatening to withdraw their massive advertising contracts from platforms that did not embrace the Chinese concept of free speech.

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    "Copyright shmopyright, there is a censorship campaign on anything deemed alt-right"

    The Left have an extremely broad definition of Alt-Right. The vast majority of the people who they label Alt-Right are not even obsessed with the JQ. The Left thinks James Damore is Alt-Right. The Left thinks Roaming Millennial is Alt-Right. The Left thinks Donald Trump and Stephen Miller are Alt-Right. The Left thinks Los Angeles street artist Sabo is Alt-Right.
    , @anon
    there is a censorship campaign on anything deemed alt-right

    Sure, and I'm not denying that. But it still is legitimately copyrighted by some Belgian group, and people do enforce those. I mean, I've seen plenty of people who upload normal music videos getting them taken down too. I was just saying it could have been that, though I don't know.
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  205. Jefferson says:
    @Thomm
    Don't forget Akeem the African Dream :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZhFkwOyqLY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsWTww8E2P4

    The music was actually cool.

    He looks like the love child of Dom DeLuise and Artie Lange.

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  206. Jefferson says:
    @KenH
    Freed black slaves already tried to create Wakanda and failed miserably. It's called Liberia and is one of the most hellish nations on earth where slavery still exists. Blacks have taken over many cities, most noticeably Detroit, and as everyone knows it's nothing like the heavenly negro safe space depicted in the upcoming movies.

    Wakanda is depicted as clean, safe, orderly and the most technically advanced nation on earth. I thought all these things are hallmarks of "selling out" and "acting white" if one is black. If Wakandans aren't killing and raping each other then that should make them uncle Tom's since civility is a sign of whiteness and therefore wickedness.

    “Wakanda is depicted as clean, safe, orderly and the most technically advanced nation on earth.”

    Technically advanced? So Wakanda is the Black Silicon Valley.

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  207. @Anon
    Question. How far are the elites willing to push Wakandistics?

    Are we supposed to believe it's 'real' in the sense that Bruce Jenner is a real 'woman' named 'Caitlyn'?

    Will City Magazine choose it Wakanda as 'city of the year' like Bruce got to be 'woman of the year'?

    http://citymagazineonline.com/

    Will it be like Kangri-La? Will entire novels be written about it, like LOST HORIZON?

    Kangri-La! That is awesome. Give that guy a gold box.

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  208. @anon
    Oh man, I forgot about that movie. Remember those "X" baseball caps that they had for that movie?

    I wish I had time to get one of those embroidered, so I could wear it to the premier of Black Panther and get my picture taken. With my 8-ball jacket too, of course.

    And I'd go to one of those theaters that has the bar with the specialty cocktails for all the big movies, and get really wasted on the specialty Black Panther drink and scream "Wakandaaaa!!" when the movie let out.

    I bet I could've gotten my picture in the newspaper if I had thought of that.

    I bet I could’ve gotten my picture in the newspaper if I had thought of that.

    Right, and the picture would have been you getting your honkie ass kicked by the brothers for dissing Wakanda. And sheeit.

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  209. Jefferson says:
    @syonredux

    In my earliest memories, the Africa of my family was a warm fever dream, seen on the record covers I stared at alone, the sun setting over glowing, haloed Afros, the smell of incense and oils at the homes of my father’s friends — a beauty so pure as to make the world outside, one of car commercials and blond sitcom families, feel empty and perverse in comparison. …
     
    That's .....pretty sad....

    This is why it doesn’t matter that Wakanda was an idea from a comic book, created by two Jewish artists. No one knows colonization better than the colonized, and black folks wasted no time in recolonizing Wakanda. No genocide or takeover of land was required. Wakanda is ours now. We do with it as we please.
     
    It don't matta that YT made it...all your base belong to us now....

    Until recently, most popular speculation on what the future would be like had been provided by white writers and futurists, like Isaac Asimov and Gene Roddenberry. Not coincidentally, these futures tended to carry the power dynamics of the present into perpetuity. Think of the original “Star Trek,” with its peaceful, international crew, still under the charge of a white man from Iowa. …

     

    A White man from Iowa......actually described as descended from the people who settled the Frontier..... in charge...the horror....

    The artistic movement called Afrofuturism, a decidedly black creation, is meant to go far beyond the limitations of the white imagination. It isn’t just the idea that black people will exist in the future, will use technology and science, will travel deep into space. It is the idea that we will have won the future.
     
    Suck it China! The future is Black AF!

    At the heart of Wakanda, she suggests, lie some of our most excruciating existential questions: “What if they didn’t come?” she asked me. “And what if they didn’t take us? What would that have been?”…

     

    Hey, White nationalists in the US ask those kinds of questions all the time!Let's see, no Civil War, a vastly lower crime rate, .....

    Can films like these significantly change things for black people in America? …

     

    I mean, that's how things work, right? Fantasy creates reality. I mean, we all know that it wasn't until the Iron Man movie came out that White guys started inventing stuff....

    Travel deep into space? Africa’s space program is a huge joke. North Korea has a higher chance of putting a man on the moon than Africa does.

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  210. Jefferson says:
    @J.Ross
    Copyright shmopyright, there is a censorship campaign on anything deemed alt-right, and this doc was endorsed and linked in every eighth thread on /pol/ for the past year. They are currently in a lawsuit with Dennis Prager because they think he is in bed with Richard Spencer. Prager went forward with the lawsuit because they are flagrantly violating their stated standards by censoring him. They were as arrogant and dumb as when they fired Damore. They are power tripping. Unilever (which makes half of everything in a normal grocery store) just supported this by threatening to withdraw their massive advertising contracts from platforms that did not embrace the Chinese concept of free speech.

    “Copyright shmopyright, there is a censorship campaign on anything deemed alt-right”

    The Left have an extremely broad definition of Alt-Right. The vast majority of the people who they label Alt-Right are not even obsessed with the JQ. The Left thinks James Damore is Alt-Right. The Left thinks Roaming Millennial is Alt-Right. The Left thinks Donald Trump and Stephen Miller are Alt-Right. The Left thinks Los Angeles street artist Sabo is Alt-Right.

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    What's your point? Their broad brush is controlling law. Somebody pointed out that Spencer actually invented and copyrighted the term. I'm sure everyone will respect that copyright. The only meaning of alt-right that means anything is the current highly diverse enemies of the establishment. Protesting to a leftist that you are not really alt-right plays out like the white under six blacks screaming that he's a Democrat.
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    I am worried that censorship is coming, that Prager will win but a precedent will be set for the most egregious cases to prove their right to speech in an expensive court battle. Government license for speech will have been established at that point. The censorship of voices far less mainstream than Prager will be totally unquestioned and they'll point back to the Prager exoneration as proof of their fairness.
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  211. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Copyright shmopyright, there is a censorship campaign on anything deemed alt-right, and this doc was endorsed and linked in every eighth thread on /pol/ for the past year. They are currently in a lawsuit with Dennis Prager because they think he is in bed with Richard Spencer. Prager went forward with the lawsuit because they are flagrantly violating their stated standards by censoring him. They were as arrogant and dumb as when they fired Damore. They are power tripping. Unilever (which makes half of everything in a normal grocery store) just supported this by threatening to withdraw their massive advertising contracts from platforms that did not embrace the Chinese concept of free speech.

    there is a censorship campaign on anything deemed alt-right

    Sure, and I’m not denying that. But it still is legitimately copyrighted by some Belgian group, and people do enforce those. I mean, I’ve seen plenty of people who upload normal music videos getting them taken down too. I was just saying it could have been that, though I don’t know.

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  212. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas
    I believe I've heard it said that Subsaharans never domesticated any animals.

    It's hard to overestimate the labor-saving power of horses, oxen, dogs, etc. as well as the convenience of domestic livestock that more or less waits around for you to kill it rather than having to give chase with limited success.

    They didn’t have horses because horses, like white people, could not survive in a jungle climate – they would succumb to tropical diseases. They did have other domestic animals – cattle were an important economic resource. Zebras are wild animals and difficult to break for domestic use.

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  213. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jefferson
    "Copyright shmopyright, there is a censorship campaign on anything deemed alt-right"

    The Left have an extremely broad definition of Alt-Right. The vast majority of the people who they label Alt-Right are not even obsessed with the JQ. The Left thinks James Damore is Alt-Right. The Left thinks Roaming Millennial is Alt-Right. The Left thinks Donald Trump and Stephen Miller are Alt-Right. The Left thinks Los Angeles street artist Sabo is Alt-Right.

    What’s your point? Their broad brush is controlling law. Somebody pointed out that Spencer actually invented and copyrighted the term. I’m sure everyone will respect that copyright. The only meaning of alt-right that means anything is the current highly diverse enemies of the establishment. Protesting to a leftist that you are not really alt-right plays out like the white under six blacks screaming that he’s a Democrat.
    ——
    I am worried that censorship is coming, that Prager will win but a precedent will be set for the most egregious cases to prove their right to speech in an expensive court battle. Government license for speech will have been established at that point. The censorship of voices far less mainstream than Prager will be totally unquestioned and they’ll point back to the Prager exoneration as proof of their fairness.

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  214. BB753 says:
    @Jack D
    They didn't have horses because horses, like white people, could not survive in a jungle climate - they would succumb to tropical diseases. They did have other domestic animals - cattle were an important economic resource. Zebras are wild animals and difficult to break for domestic use.

    Nonsense! Zebras can be tamed. Look it up.

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  215. Bill B. says:
    @Obsessive Contrarian
    Lesotho, eh?

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-harrell-lesotho-metoo-sexual-violence-20171208-story.html

    "The director of a local aid organization told me grown men regularly flirt with her 8-year-old daughter in the grocery store..."

    One in four of the people of Lethoso are HIV positive. I’d forgotten about that.

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  216. @Anon
    Being her husband, he kind of does.

    But what was their marriage based on? Dissolution of barriers & loyalties on the basis of natural flow of passion. That's the contradiction. It's true that in a marriage, loyalty is expected. But their marriage was not typical. It went against conventions and loyalties. So, it was like an anti-loyalty marriage. Sure, she pledged her loyalty to Othello by marrying him, but the marriage meant she would betray her father's wishes and her own race for a higher loyalty to a blackamoor. Othello himself is a traitor. He's a blackamoor, of Muslim Afro-Arab origin. But he fights for Christendom against the Turks and etc. So, even his loyalty to Venice is a kind of disloyalty to his own kind. Also, he is both a servant and conqueror of Venice. He fights for Venice in defeating and conquering enemies. But in doing so, he gains prestige and conquers a stupid white woman. He both defers to and defiles Venice. For a chance to say "where the white women at?", he will betray even his own kind. So, on the one hand, it means love/lust is higher than ethnic, tribal,or religious loyalty. Love/lust liberates and loosens. And yet, it also binds and chains one to the object of one's desire, and one also wants that object of desire to be chained to oneself, even unto death.

    The marriage was also based on meritocracy. Othello is a great warrior, and that means he has rights to say, "Where the white women at?" But if passion is all about meritocracy, why should he be so angry about suspicions that Desdemona is going with someone handsomer than him?
    It's like Jake Lamotta. He is tough and manly but ugly, and he can't stand his blonde wife looking at someone fairer than him... like Tony Janiro. Also, Lamotta dumped his first Jewish wife for the Vicky who's Romanian-American but looks like blonde Wasp shikse. So, again there are clashing themes. Love has no rules. One should follow one's passions, even dumping one's wife for a hotter woman. Lamotta went after Vicky on those grounds, but he can't stand the idea of her even looking at another guy. The thief is most possessive of what he stole. Same with immigration logic. Jews say, "how wonderful that Jews could FREELY move to Palestine." But what happened in the end? Jews 'stole' it and now are totally possessive of what they took from Palestinians who are not allowed to freely return to Palestine/Israel. (Jews in media also suppress the plight of white South Africans which is now like what Jews faced on eve of Holocaust. Jews say 'shame on the world' for turning a blind eye to Jews seeking refuge from Hitler. But now, Jews are shush about the looming bloodbath for whites in SA because the idea of 'whites saving whites from non-whites' undermines the Diversity and white-guilt narrative and boosts white identity and unity narrative.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YGn0l9zfew

    So, there are contradictions here. It's like Romeo and Juliet is both anti-tribal and neo-tribal. The two kids defy the clan feud where two families want to kill each other. But they form their own tribal bond of love that is so out of control that they would rather kill themselves than live in a world without the other.

    ” The thief is most possessive of what he stole.”

    You’ll always find that criminal sorts take being robbed kinda personal.

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  217. @syonredux

    I think Ethiopia had a written language before any Europeans did, but I take your main point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%27ez_script

    “The earliest inscriptions of Semitic languages in Eritrea and Ethiopia date to the 9th century BC in Epigraphic South Arabian (ESA), an abjad shared with contemporary kingdoms in South Arabia. After the 7th and 6th centuries BC, however, variants of the script arose, evolving in the direction of the Ge’ez abugida (a writing system that is also called an alphasyllabary).”
     
    The writing systems used in Bronze Age Greece (Linear A and Linear B) are older:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B

    Forgot those pesky Greeks, but OK, certainly before Western Europe had written language.

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  218. Kylie says:
    @The King is A Fink
    If you really screw up your eyes and squint at the first picture, the corrugated iron shithouses look a little like the skyscrapers in the second.

    I just take off my glasses.

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  219. FPD72 says:
    @El Dato
    You forgot...

    white writers and futurists, like Isaac Asimov
     
    Bad move!

    Wasn’t Asimov on the British scientific team that developed RADAR? He didn’t just write about a possible future, he helped to create it.

    Of course, Hollywood just had to inject a bit of PC into I ROBOT, with a black protagonist (Will Smith) and an evil corporation headed by an evil white man. Instead of doing something interesting with the conundrums caused by the Three Laws of Robotics, they gave us the usual action film dreck.

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    Asimov was a chemist, so although he apparently did some classified WWII-related work, it almost certainly wasn't radar-related. Plus he (along with Heinlein, and De Camp!) was in Philadelphia, not Britain.

    Arthur C. Clarke worked on British radar during WWII; you're probably thinking of that.

    Asimov called his WWII work a "drastic failure" due to his inability to get along with his superiors, so whatever it was probably didn't accomplish much. His other research efforts weren't failures, but weren't outstanding either. All self-evaluations, but probably pretty accurate: Asimov was very humble about what he deserved to be humble about, and very proud about what he deserved to be proud about. My favorite quote from one of his autobiographies, from when he was arguing with university administration about how much time he spent on research vs teaching and writing:

    "I finally felt angry enough to say, “…as a science writer, I am extraordinary. I plan to be the best science writer in the world and I will shed luster on the medical school [at Boston University]. As a researcher, I am simply mediocre and…if there's one thing this school does not need, it is one more merely mediocre researcher.”"
    , @J.Ross
    I am certain Asimov didn't do that (he worked at a Navy lab in the States during the war and his training was in chemistry), could it have been Arthur C Clarke?
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  220. @FPD72
    Wasn’t Asimov on the British scientific team that developed RADAR? He didn’t just write about a possible future, he helped to create it.

    Of course, Hollywood just had to inject a bit of PC into I ROBOT, with a black protagonist (Will Smith) and an evil corporation headed by an evil white man. Instead of doing something interesting with the conundrums caused by the Three Laws of Robotics, they gave us the usual action film dreck.

    Asimov was a chemist, so although he apparently did some classified WWII-related work, it almost certainly wasn’t radar-related. Plus he (along with Heinlein, and De Camp!) was in Philadelphia, not Britain.

    Arthur C. Clarke worked on British radar during WWII; you’re probably thinking of that.

    Asimov called his WWII work a “drastic failure” due to his inability to get along with his superiors, so whatever it was probably didn’t accomplish much. His other research efforts weren’t failures, but weren’t outstanding either. All self-evaluations, but probably pretty accurate: Asimov was very humble about what he deserved to be humble about, and very proud about what he deserved to be proud about. My favorite quote from one of his autobiographies, from when he was arguing with university administration about how much time he spent on research vs teaching and writing:

    “I finally felt angry enough to say, “…as a science writer, I am extraordinary. I plan to be the best science writer in the world and I will shed luster on the medical school [at Boston University]. As a researcher, I am simply mediocre and…if there’s one thing this school does not need, it is one more merely mediocre researcher.””

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  221. @twentycents
    A lot of Afrocentrism sounds silly but harmless. It's a lot like say, Scots nationalism with its made up kilt wearing and invented highland games. People want to think their ancestors were mighty heroes. So what, let them.

    I agreed with you up until 2011/2012 or so when mainstream media went all-in to support afrocentrism and trend-setting white people started endlessly fawning over everything black.

    I don’t see mainstream media obsessing over Scots supremacism, at least not recently.

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    @FPD72
    Wasn’t Asimov on the British scientific team that developed RADAR? He didn’t just write about a possible future, he helped to create it.

    Of course, Hollywood just had to inject a bit of PC into I ROBOT, with a black protagonist (Will Smith) and an evil corporation headed by an evil white man. Instead of doing something interesting with the conundrums caused by the Three Laws of Robotics, they gave us the usual action film dreck.

    I am certain Asimov didn’t do that (he worked at a Navy lab in the States during the war and his training was in chemistry), could it have been Arthur C Clarke?

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  223. MEH 0910 says:
    @CCZ
    Unless you are New York Times commentor Paul King (USA), your comments are called "plagiarism" as the below verbatim text copy shows Mr. King posted his comments to the Times article 1 day ago. His comment is currently the third comment under all readers comments sorted by newest comments. We do read the NY Times comments, if only to know what nonsense is being peddled to SJWs and POC and how they respond. And you said that you teach at a university?? Shame on you!!

    Paul King USA 1 day ago

    To all the naysayers and snark peddlers.

    You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors' toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say "thank you" to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/12/magazine/why-black-panther-is-a-defining-moment-for-black-america.html

    Tiny Duck plagiarizes “our African-American countrymen and countrywomen” after he retcons himself as a Canadian. He can’t keep his stories straight.

    And you said that you teach at a university??

    Another retcon.

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  224. MBlanc46 says:

    If a movie based on a comic book is a defining moment for black America, then black America is well and truly effed.

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    No, the rest of us are.
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  225. MBlanc46 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    To all the naysayers and snark peddlers.

    You count for nothing.

    It is for our African-American countrymen and countrywomen to be true to their emotions and their bonds with each other and a proud history. Both in Africa and in this land, built on THEIR ancestors' toil. Not yours or mine who are Johnny come latelies to America.

    Again, for your nastiness, you are nothing.

    Have the decency to say "thank you" to those whose foreparents laid the foundations of this nation.

    Ah, Tiny, don’t steal your stuff. I’m very, very disappointed.

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  226. Kylie says:
    @MBlanc46
    If a movie based on a comic book is a defining moment for black America, then black America is well and truly effed.

    No, the rest of us are.

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  227. Brutusale says:
    @Neil Templeton
    Nicely written. I wish him the best. It's very important to have a spiritual home, even when it's fictional. As all of them are.

    Yeah, the Ireland that the Boston Irish reminisce about exists only in that happy place that exists only when they go over the Guinness limit.

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  229. MaMu1977 says: • Website
    @MIkey Darmody
    "It was a violent commencement in her, and thou shalt see an answerable sequestration," is a great line from Othello. I see that word so infrequently that it stuck out.

    Also, I think the authoress uses the word "yearning" incorrectly. Is that so?

    Edit: oh my goodness, Carvell Wallace is a man! Maybe his wife edited this essay?

    On the other hand, it seems that there is a black separatist element today that is much more feminine that the black separatists of the past. I may be wrong, but I think it's unlikely that Malcolm X was talking about the honey-gold sunlight gilding the woolly-haired heads that stare serenely across Mother Africa's plains or whatever.

    “On the other hand, it seems that there is a black separatist element today that is much more feminine that the black separatists of the past.”

    Black America is a matriarchy. As soon as the US government decided to pour billions of dollars into the hands of any black teenager with a functional uterus, the die was cast and the visible pits said, “Do as momma says and no one gets hurt.”

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