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From the New York Times:

How to Make America Greater: More Immigration

FEBRUARY 7, 2017
Eduardo Porter

ECONOMIC SCENE

President Trump will make America smaller….

If workers could move seamlessly across borders, wages of similar workers would tend to converge.

And that would be great for American workers because …

The wage gap is a measure of the barriers that remain: An hour of work by a Pakistani in New York costs 6.5 times what an hour of the same Pakistani’s time costs in Karachi.

This Pakistani example may be lifted from Neal Stephenson’s 1992 dystopian sci-fi novel Snow Crash about a borderless world:

When it gets down to it — talking trade balances here — once we’ve brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they’re making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here — once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel — once the Invisible Hand has taken away all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity — y’know what? There’s only four things we do better than anyone else:

music
movies
microcode (software)
high-speed pizza delivery

Not surprisingly, many libertarians assume Snow Crash is a utopian novel.

 
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  1. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    There’s only four things we do better than anyone else:

    music
    movies
    microcode (software)
    high-speed pizza delivery

    That was actually a pretty good prediction of the 21st century US economy.

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    • Agree: snorlax
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    That was actually a pretty good prediction of the 21st century US economy
     
    No. Only the blinkers of a postmodern delusion would lead you to that conclusion. I suspect that you have taken leave of your senses. Check yourself into a sanitorium before you harm an innocent bystander (or, perhaps, bystanders).

    The 21st century will not be the gentle tunes of a pastoral musician, or the idiotic, profane and disgusting movies discharged from the Hollywood cesspit, nor pizza delivery. And microcode is challenging, but will play no significant role in what happens.

    No, because of Democrats the 21st century will be red in tooth and claw.
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  2. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Give an inch, they take a mile.

    Btw, if the US needs MORE people, it means Americans should have more kids.
    The fact that Americans are not having enough kids means there is something wrong with American values. So, that wrong needs to be fixed OVER HERE.
    What is wrong with America? Materialism, hedonism, libertinism, and feminism.
    Those depress birthrates. So, why not deal with this problem? Change the values so that Americans will have more kids.

    But the US promotes the very values and ideologies that discourage creation of new life and then tries to fix the problem with more people via immigration.

    If Americans must bring in more people because Americans are TOO GOOD for ‘lowly’ jobs, it means that American Immigration policy is supremacist. It means Americans are too good for demeaning jobs that should be given to a servant class.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    Btw, if the US needs MORE people, it means Americans should have more kids.
     
    Absolutely correct, and we don't need MORE people. The frontier ended in 1890, and we got along rather nicely with many fewer people than today.
  3. Bill P says:

    Great prediction. I didn’t fully grasp it until the late 90s when I saw it for myself in China, although I do remember envisioning California as an eventual Elysium-type dystopia around 1994, when I was just a couple years out of high school. Stephenson was ahead of his time.

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  4. Ulysses says:

    Man, I used to be a libertarian. They aren’t all autistic. The ones that bother to learn HBD are tough to distinguish from the rest of us deplorables

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  5. peterike says:

    Hmmm, Eduardo. Yes, he certainly LOOKS Hispanic…

    I wonder if he’s (((Eduardo Porter))).

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  6. guest says:

    How to Make America Greater: Make It Not America

    I’d be smarter if someone transplanted a smarter person’s brain into my body. But would I be me?

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    How to Make America Greater: Make It Not America

    I’d be smarter if someone transplanted a smarter person’s brain into my body. But would I be me?
     
    Exactly.
    , @Pericles
    The thesis is more like, "you" would be better off if a drifter moved into your house, killed you and took your name for tax purposes.
  7. Hubbub says:

    What can one say, but the obvious. Diversity leads to Adversity. Race is a biological construct. A Muslim in America is not an American; he is a Muslim in America. A wayward, Mexican immigrant in America is not going to become a proud, sober, patriotic American; he will remain a wayward, Mexican immigrant in America, Magic Dirt, be damned. Despite fuzzy Lumber 8 logic, a Mexican child who sneaks into the U.S. with her illegal mother is more apt to weave a Mexican flag from scraps, rather than an American flag, and proudly wave it at the next Mexico-United States football match. And so forth…

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  8. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

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    • Troll: Forbes
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Was there a pizza parlor involved?

    Hillary Clinton was the First Lady of the United State "while" her husband engaged in various sex acts with a barely legal intern in the Oval Office.
  9. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Trump/Bannon are not backing down on the immi issue. Looks like they are going for real change. This is logical considering Trump needs to win the popular vote in 2020. At least 20 million in the country and plenty voted.

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    • Replies: @27 year old
    >Trump needs to win the popular vote in 2020.

    Other than that if he doesn't win the popular vote he's unlikely to win the electoral college, why does he need to win the popular vote?
  10. @Anonymous
    Trump/Bannon are not backing down on the immi issue. Looks like they are going for real change. This is logical considering Trump needs to win the popular vote in 2020. At least 20 million in the country and plenty voted.

    >Trump needs to win the popular vote in 2020.

    Other than that if he doesn’t win the popular vote he’s unlikely to win the electoral college, why does he need to win the popular vote?

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  11. Calogero says:

    It is not the duty of American citizens to make the rest of the world wealthy at our expense.

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    • Replies: @Yngvar
    Yes, that reminds me I've been meaning to thank you American taxpayers for paying for the building and maintenance of GPS. I use it almost every day.

    It's great! Thanks!
  12. You want to get the NTY set to change their minds?

    The Trump administration just has to settle some of those Somali refugees in the Hamptons, Martha’s Vineyard, Aspen, and other haunts of the ruling class.

    (The Obama administration placed them in places like Idaho)

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    • Replies: @oh its just me too
    actually they have plenty of cheap illegal labor in those places, a few years ago the elite were baffled and shocked that there was gang violence... on Nantucket. I mean, what could go wrong with replacing all those nice irish college students that used to work summers with 1/2 prize central american labor?
    , @CCZ
    But in Lewiston, Maine, in the “whitest state in America” 5,000 Somali refugees (5,000 more in Portland) are promoted as the “saviors” of a “dying mill-town.”

    “The arrival of thousands of Somali refugees in this former mill city in the nation's whitest state sparked a backlash at first, complete with a rally of white supremacists and a pig's head rolled into the local mosque.”

    “Fifteen years later, the Somali newcomers are solid members of the community, as evidenced by its proliferation of shops, restaurants and mosques -- and a championship-winning high school soccer team featuring players from Somalia and other African countries.“
     
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-11-09/maine-s-somalis-could-be-its-saviors

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/08/05/maine-sees-somalian-community-starkly-different-than-what-donald-trump-portrayed/qOh4IjKY3VYYcxNG7zkcBM/story.html

    http://www.voanews.com/a/lewiston-maine-offers-lessons-amid-influx-of-refugees/3181631.html

    The roots are growing deeper.
    , @Pericles
    What Kiryas Joel needs is a big, reviving flow of Syrian and quasi-Syrian refugees.
  13. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It is insane for a nation to not calibrate immigration according to how much recent immigration has already occurred.

    Notice how there is zero discussion of the massive flood that has already deluged us. It’s always 1965!

    And there is no economic gain from the flood except for the top 10 percent. But there is dramatic quality of life downgrades for entire towns and counties across the country.

    Check out Linh Dinh’s latest postcard about a Philly neighborhood that is on the tip of the immigration spear.

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-phillys-italian-market/

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  14. Population vs open land and farm land..
    why is this never discussed… I bring this up to leftists/sjw /globalists all the time (usually in the course of getting a lecture about global warming) and all I have ever gotten in reply is a blank stare or ‘we’ll solve it’

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    It particularly bothers me when the left go on and on about global warming, but have nothing at all to say about exploding population growth in sub-Saharan Africa (some fraction of which will be heading to Europe).

    Nor do they discuss the negative environmental effects of more population growth ANYWHERE.

    The planet is full. Overfull. Large mammals like elephants and lions are endangered.

    But the left only talks about global warming. Their strange focus on this single issue, while they ignore others, is IMO causing people to be skeptical about global warming.

    I mean, they can see scientists being total idiots about so much (I haven't even started on HBD) why should they be trusted on their pet project, global warming?

    I'm not expressing an opinion on global warming one way or other, but explaining why it's so politicized.
  15. @Greenstalk
    You want to get the NTY set to change their minds?

    The Trump administration just has to settle some of those Somali refugees in the Hamptons, Martha's Vineyard, Aspen, and other haunts of the ruling class.

    (The Obama administration placed them in places like Idaho)

    actually they have plenty of cheap illegal labor in those places, a few years ago the elite were baffled and shocked that there was gang violence… on Nantucket. I mean, what could go wrong with replacing all those nice irish college students that used to work summers with 1/2 prize central american labor?

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  16. Daniel H says:

    >>If workers could move seamlessly across borders, wages of similar workers would tend to converge.

    Of course, to the lower level of the Pakistani. I really do hope that the Democratic and Cuck braintrusts wrap this idea around themselves. Maybe we can finish them off for good.

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  17. CCZ says:

    I guess no one at the NY Times ever read about or considered the perspective of the ‘Father of Pakistan’ Muhammad Ali Jinnah, who persuaded the British that an India containing a large Muslim population would inevitably fall apart.

    In a 1940 Muslim League conference in Lahore, Jinnah said:

    “It is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality; and this misconception of one Indian nation has gone far beyond the limits and is the cause of more of our troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time.”

    “The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, and literature[s]….and indeed they belong to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects [perspectives] on life, and of life, are different.”

    “It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, their heroes are different…. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent, and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state.”

    [Paragraph 23]:

    http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_jinnah_lahore_1940.html

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  18. tanabear says:

    “Not surprisingly, many libertarians assume Snow Crash is a utopian novel.”

    Also Somalia has had very little to no effective central government for decades now. It should be a libertarians dream country. I wonder why they never use it as an example of the wonders of limited government?

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I think it's because they don't have a constitution written by some of the smartest minds ever to envision a government and supported by the general population of whites with a long history of the rule of law and they have pretty low IQ's over there so they couldn't run anything at all .

    Libertarians don't envision no government, just very limited government controlled by the people. Comparing anarchy in Somalia with a libertarian society is just plain stupid.

    , @Pericles
    To be fair, Somalia is apparently better off without a government than it was with one.

    http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf

    (A libertarian, I believe.)
  19. Google image search for “Pakistani Workers.”

    http://tinyurl.com/hpts569

    All that, but with rock n’ roll, Hollywood, pizza and Linux to ease the day.

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  20. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/WMRDC/status/828977579084365824

    Was there a pizza parlor involved?

    Hillary Clinton was the First Lady of the United State “while” her husband engaged in various sex acts with a barely legal intern in the Oval Office.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    And on Easter Sunday after BJC had been seen attending church with a Bible in hand. I guess the sermon didn't take.
  21. @Anonymous

    There’s only four things we do better than anyone else:

    music
    movies
    microcode (software)
    high-speed pizza delivery
     
    That was actually a pretty good prediction of the 21st century US economy.

    That was actually a pretty good prediction of the 21st century US economy

    No. Only the blinkers of a postmodern delusion would lead you to that conclusion. I suspect that you have taken leave of your senses. Check yourself into a sanitorium before you harm an innocent bystander (or, perhaps, bystanders).

    The 21st century will not be the gentle tunes of a pastoral musician, or the idiotic, profane and disgusting movies discharged from the Hollywood cesspit, nor pizza delivery. And microcode is challenging, but will play no significant role in what happens.

    No, because of Democrats the 21st century will be red in tooth and claw.

    Read More
  22. CCZ says:
    @Greenstalk
    You want to get the NTY set to change their minds?

    The Trump administration just has to settle some of those Somali refugees in the Hamptons, Martha's Vineyard, Aspen, and other haunts of the ruling class.

    (The Obama administration placed them in places like Idaho)

    But in Lewiston, Maine, in the “whitest state in America” 5,000 Somali refugees (5,000 more in Portland) are promoted as the “saviors” of a “dying mill-town.”

    “The arrival of thousands of Somali refugees in this former mill city in the nation’s whitest state sparked a backlash at first, complete with a rally of white supremacists and a pig’s head rolled into the local mosque.”

    “Fifteen years later, the Somali newcomers are solid members of the community, as evidenced by its proliferation of shops, restaurants and mosques — and a championship-winning high school soccer team featuring players from Somalia and other African countries.“

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-11-09/maine-s-somalis-could-be-its-saviors

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/08/05/maine-sees-somalian-community-starkly-different-than-what-donald-trump-portrayed/qOh4IjKY3VYYcxNG7zkcBM/story.html

    http://www.voanews.com/a/lewiston-maine-offers-lessons-amid-influx-of-refugees/3181631.html

    The roots are growing deeper.

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  23. @tanabear
    "Not surprisingly, many libertarians assume Snow Crash is a utopian novel."

    Also Somalia has had very little to no effective central government for decades now. It should be a libertarians dream country. I wonder why they never use it as an example of the wonders of limited government?

    I think it’s because they don’t have a constitution written by some of the smartest minds ever to envision a government and supported by the general population of whites with a long history of the rule of law and they have pretty low IQ’s over there so they couldn’t run anything at all .

    Libertarians don’t envision no government, just very limited government controlled by the people. Comparing anarchy in Somalia with a libertarian society is just plain stupid.

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  24. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Are these the same NYCers whining about the subways being too crowded? Less immigrants? No, more trillion dollar construction!

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  25. @guest
    How to Make America Greater: Make It Not America

    I'd be smarter if someone transplanted a smarter person's brain into my body. But would I be me?

    How to Make America Greater: Make It Not America

    I’d be smarter if someone transplanted a smarter person’s brain into my body. But would I be me?

    Exactly.

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  26. syonredux says:

    Figures to bear in mind:

    And who knows what would happen to productivity and wages, to politics and social cohesion, if immigration took off on an unprecedented scale? A third of adults in sub-Saharan Africa say they would like to migrate permanently. So would a fifth of Latin Americans and one in 10 South and East Asians, according to a Gallup World poll from 2010. About a quarter of these potential migrants — 145 million adults — would like to live in the United States.

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  27. jim jones says:

    The problem with borders is that they expose the difference between groups of humans.

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  28. 2Mintzin1 says:

    “If workers could move seamlessly across borders, wages of similar workers would tend to converge.”

    Everything that lessens must converge.

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  29. Eduardo Porter looks very Conquistador American, which may be the best American to be in the future. No white guilt but with the all the white attributes. Maybe my kids could marry some Spanish Mexican type so my grandkids could actually be proud of who they are.

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    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    I don't know much about Hispanic Central and South Americans, being isolated in Victoria, BC.

    We hear about huge guilt trips over the conquistadors in Canada and the US.

    But what about elite Hispanics?

    I bet they don't do guilt trips there (but I could be wrong).
  30. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous

    There’s only four things we do better than anyone else:

    music
    movies
    microcode (software)
    high-speed pizza delivery
     
    That was actually a pretty good prediction of the 21st century US economy.

    What about porn? Or are they including it under ‘movies’?

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  31. bomag says:
    @Anon
    Give an inch, they take a mile.

    Btw, if the US needs MORE people, it means Americans should have more kids.
    The fact that Americans are not having enough kids means there is something wrong with American values. So, that wrong needs to be fixed OVER HERE.
    What is wrong with America? Materialism, hedonism, libertinism, and feminism.
    Those depress birthrates. So, why not deal with this problem? Change the values so that Americans will have more kids.

    But the US promotes the very values and ideologies that discourage creation of new life and then tries to fix the problem with more people via immigration.

    If Americans must bring in more people because Americans are TOO GOOD for 'lowly' jobs, it means that American Immigration policy is supremacist. It means Americans are too good for demeaning jobs that should be given to a servant class.

    Btw, if the US needs MORE people, it means Americans should have more kids.

    Absolutely correct, and we don’t need MORE people. The frontier ended in 1890, and we got along rather nicely with many fewer people than today.

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  32. Mr. Anon says:

    If workers could move seamlessly across borders, wages of similar workers would tend to converge.

    The wage gap is a measure of the barriers that remain: An hour of work by a Pakistani in New York costs 6.5 times what an hour of the same Pakistani’s time costs in Karachi.

    Clearly increased immigration from Pakistan will do wonders for the incomes of Americans who make their living smuggling cigarettes or repairing AK-47s at open-air bazaars.

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  33. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    microcode (software)

    Pretty much already lost to overseas development in India and China. A surprising amount that happens here in the US is already dominated by Indians and Chinese (from India and China, not by way of US universities).

    The DOJ is suing Oracle for discrimination because something like 75% of it’s engineering workforce is Indian. They’re just now noticing, which doesn’t create a lot of confidence in government.

    “OFCCP Sues Tech Giant Oracle Alleging Discrimination in Compensation and Hiring Practices and Failure to Produce Requested Records and Data”, Dean R. Singewald II, The National Law Review, Wednesday, January 25, 2017.

    The funny thing is, everyone does it, Oracle is typical:

    “Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs”:

    “DOJ sues Oracle for employment discrimination favoring Indians. Cisco is probably worse. Is it next?”

    Weirdly misleading PC title in Murky News:

    “Oracle paid white men more than women, blacks, Asians: labor department lawsuit”, Ethan Baron, The Mercury News, January 18, 2017:

    “…Norman Matloff, a UC Davis computer science professor who studies discrimination in tech…

    …Oracle’s purported emphasis on hiring Indians suggests that like other tech firms Oracle is using the controversial H-1B visa to bring in young foreign workers at lower pay than for American citizens and permanent residents, Matloff contended…

    …For product management and other technical jobs, Asians made up 75 percent of applicants, the lawsuit said.

    “They’re somehow favoring Asians in the application process,” Herold said. “Their applicant pool is crazy full of Asians.”

    The fact that the workers in those jobs are 82 percent Asian shows that Asian people were favored again during hiring, Herold said.

    The suit further alleged that Oracle stonewalled labor department investigators…”

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  34. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Considering what a damned expensive place New York is, and the enormous burden of taxation, utility bills, car expenses, insurance etc etc any American worker has to pay just to exist, I would have thought that the ratio of hourly paid wages between a Karachiite and a New Yorker for the same work would be a damn sight higher than 6.5.
    Possibly, globalisation has already had its effects on wage differentials.

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  35. Pericles says:
    @Greenstalk
    You want to get the NTY set to change their minds?

    The Trump administration just has to settle some of those Somali refugees in the Hamptons, Martha's Vineyard, Aspen, and other haunts of the ruling class.

    (The Obama administration placed them in places like Idaho)

    What Kiryas Joel needs is a big, reviving flow of Syrian and quasi-Syrian refugees.

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    • Replies: @biz
    Kiryas Joel is almost entirely populated by Satmar sect Hasidic Jews, who are extremely poor (highest rate of welfare dependency in New York State) and fanatically anti-Israel. They would probably welcome Muslim refugees for the latter reason, if not because it would also get more government money flowing to their town.
  36. Pericles says:
    @tanabear
    "Not surprisingly, many libertarians assume Snow Crash is a utopian novel."

    Also Somalia has had very little to no effective central government for decades now. It should be a libertarians dream country. I wonder why they never use it as an example of the wonders of limited government?

    To be fair, Somalia is apparently better off without a government than it was with one.

    http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf

    (A libertarian, I believe.)

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  37. Pericles says:
    @guest
    How to Make America Greater: Make It Not America

    I'd be smarter if someone transplanted a smarter person's brain into my body. But would I be me?

    The thesis is more like, “you” would be better off if a drifter moved into your house, killed you and took your name for tax purposes.

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  38. Yngvar says:
    @Calogero
    It is not the duty of American citizens to make the rest of the world wealthy at our expense.

    Yes, that reminds me I’ve been meaning to thank you American taxpayers for paying for the building and maintenance of GPS. I use it almost every day.

    It’s great! Thanks!

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Thank the bad old Department of Defense. And be thankful you do not have to use the European GPS Galileo system which is failing. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38664225.

    You can also thank DoD for the Internet.
  39. biz says:
    @Pericles
    What Kiryas Joel needs is a big, reviving flow of Syrian and quasi-Syrian refugees.

    Kiryas Joel is almost entirely populated by Satmar sect Hasidic Jews, who are extremely poor (highest rate of welfare dependency in New York State) and fanatically anti-Israel. They would probably welcome Muslim refugees for the latter reason, if not because it would also get more government money flowing to their town.

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    • Replies: @Pericles
    Seems like an ideal case, in other words. Send more muslims, Kiryas Joel is not full yet! Make sure they stay around though. Loss of diversity is tragic for a community.
  40. Wilkey says:

    America would be greater (and more American) with fewer Americans. There is nothing more American than a foreigner. There is nothing more water-like than not-water.

    And it’s supposedly Donald Trump who is supposed to usher in the world of “1984.”

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  41. tsotha says:

    The wage gap is a measure of the barriers that remain: An hour of work by a Pakistani in New York costs 6.5 times what an hour of the same Pakistani’s time costs in Karachi.

    The median income in Pakistan is $73.26 per month. If wages were to truly equalize most Americans would be hustling just to avoid starvation. I don’t understand how anyone who isn’t a Pakistani would want that.

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  42. Forbes says:
    @CCZ
    But in Lewiston, Maine, in the “whitest state in America” 5,000 Somali refugees (5,000 more in Portland) are promoted as the “saviors” of a “dying mill-town.”

    “The arrival of thousands of Somali refugees in this former mill city in the nation's whitest state sparked a backlash at first, complete with a rally of white supremacists and a pig's head rolled into the local mosque.”

    “Fifteen years later, the Somali newcomers are solid members of the community, as evidenced by its proliferation of shops, restaurants and mosques -- and a championship-winning high school soccer team featuring players from Somalia and other African countries.“
     
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-11-09/maine-s-somalis-could-be-its-saviors

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/08/05/maine-sees-somalian-community-starkly-different-than-what-donald-trump-portrayed/qOh4IjKY3VYYcxNG7zkcBM/story.html

    http://www.voanews.com/a/lewiston-maine-offers-lessons-amid-influx-of-refugees/3181631.html

    The roots are growing deeper.

    Saviors of what?

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  43. Svigor says:

    music
    movies
    microcode (software)
    high-speed pizza delivery

    That was actually a pretty good prediction of the 21st century US economy.

    Movies and music are all America is good for!

    ~ Black Rain, a Ridley Scott movie from the late eighties.

    What about porn? Or are they including it under ‘movies’?

    Japs are really hiding us on this front.

    I’d be smarter if someone transplanted a smarter person’s brain into my body. But would I be me?

    I second Ben, good analogy. Very pithy and to the point. I will be stealing that.

    actually they have plenty of cheap illegal labor in those places, a few years ago the elite were baffled and shocked that there was gang violence… on Nantucket. I mean, what could go wrong with replacing all those nice irish college students that used to work summers with 1/2 prize central american labor?

    I for one want Somalis housed in Martha’s Vineyard, Nantucket, etc. Lots of them. As close to the richest neighborhoods as possible.

    To accompany this, I would like to see close FBI scrutiny and oversight of their police forces.

    Comparing anarchy in Somalia with a libertarian society is just plain stupid.

    It seems more inevitable than stupid. Open borders mean the barbarians just stroll in and take over. Libertardians are incapable of defending a civilization.

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  44. @Jack D
    Was there a pizza parlor involved?

    Hillary Clinton was the First Lady of the United State "while" her husband engaged in various sex acts with a barely legal intern in the Oval Office.

    And on Easter Sunday after BJC had been seen attending church with a Bible in hand. I guess the sermon didn’t take.

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  45. @Yngvar
    Yes, that reminds me I've been meaning to thank you American taxpayers for paying for the building and maintenance of GPS. I use it almost every day.

    It's great! Thanks!

    Thank the bad old Department of Defense. And be thankful you do not have to use the European GPS Galileo system which is failing. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38664225.

    You can also thank DoD for the Internet.

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  46. pgbh says:

    Snow Crash isn’t just a satire of anarcho-capitalism, although that is part of it. However, the book also contains a depiction of future government bureaucracy which is equally harsh (and hilarious).

    It seems like Stephenson’s view is basically that as long as people can figure out ways to make things worse, we will. Since humans are highly ingenious animals, things could keep getting worse in a variety of ways for a long time.

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  47. @oh its just me too
    Population vs open land and farm land..
    why is this never discussed... I bring this up to leftists/sjw /globalists all the time (usually in the course of getting a lecture about global warming) and all I have ever gotten in reply is a blank stare or 'we'll solve it'

    It particularly bothers me when the left go on and on about global warming, but have nothing at all to say about exploding population growth in sub-Saharan Africa (some fraction of which will be heading to Europe).

    Nor do they discuss the negative environmental effects of more population growth ANYWHERE.

    The planet is full. Overfull. Large mammals like elephants and lions are endangered.

    But the left only talks about global warming. Their strange focus on this single issue, while they ignore others, is IMO causing people to be skeptical about global warming.

    I mean, they can see scientists being total idiots about so much (I haven’t even started on HBD) why should they be trusted on their pet project, global warming?

    I’m not expressing an opinion on global warming one way or other, but explaining why it’s so politicized.

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  48. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Eduardo Porter looks very Conquistador American, which may be the best American to be in the future. No white guilt but with the all the white attributes. Maybe my kids could marry some Spanish Mexican type so my grandkids could actually be proud of who they are.

    I don’t know much about Hispanic Central and South Americans, being isolated in Victoria, BC.

    We hear about huge guilt trips over the conquistadors in Canada and the US.

    But what about elite Hispanics?

    I bet they don’t do guilt trips there (but I could be wrong).

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  49. There would be no need for immigrants had there not been 55,000,000 abortions in the US since 1973 ‘Roe v Wade’

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  50. Brutusale says:

    Did anyone else read the novel? Snow Crash America was nothing but borders, which is why YT was loogy gunned by the franchulate’s contract border guards. Conversely, the border saves her ass when Hiro busts her out of the Clink and only he and his guest YT could cross the border into Mr. Lee’s Greater Hong Kong while Rat Thing took care of disarming the murderous Jeeks.

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  51. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Well, actually the libertarians have had little effect on open borders its been the left a lot more unless you are talking about people like Paul Ryan or the Bushes. The libertarians are opposed to a welfare state while the left wants a bigger one, so the left is more responsible for the immigration messed than the right.

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  52. Pericles says:
    @biz
    Kiryas Joel is almost entirely populated by Satmar sect Hasidic Jews, who are extremely poor (highest rate of welfare dependency in New York State) and fanatically anti-Israel. They would probably welcome Muslim refugees for the latter reason, if not because it would also get more government money flowing to their town.

    Seems like an ideal case, in other words. Send more muslims, Kiryas Joel is not full yet! Make sure they stay around though. Loss of diversity is tragic for a community.

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