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Thank goodness it’s just play:

Gunplay Rises in New York, Reviving Issue for de Blasio

By AL BAKER and J. DAVID GOODMAN

JUNE 1, 2015

Shootings in New York City have been rising for two straight years, the first time that has happened since the end of the 1990s, when the city was still in the early years of a remarkable downturn in crime.

Homicides by gunfire, seen as a key measure of preventable violence, are up steeply this year. Of the 135 killings through May, 98 involved a gun, up from 69 such killings at this point in 2013 and in 2014. Taken together, the trends raise concern heading into the summer months, when street violence is often most pronounced.

So far this year, there have been 439 shootings, 20 percent higher than the same period in 2013, which was a historically low year. But this year’s figure is still well under the more than 2,000 logged over the same period two decades ago.

For Mayor Bill de Blasio, a Democrat whose efforts to improve police-community relations depend on a force often skeptical of him, increases in violence have reanimated an issue that has stalked him since his campaign for City Hall. The question remains: How to quell gunplay in an era when stop-and-frisk tactics — for years among the Police Department’s principal tools for curbing street violence — are employed far less frequently than before its excessive use came under widespread criticism.

That question has grown more complicated, and urgent, in recent months. Police officers around the country have faced greater scrutiny in the aftermath of police killings of unarmed black men in Missouri, South Carolina, Ohio and elsewhere.

On the presidential campaign trail and at protests nationwide, there have been ever louder calls to end decades of aggressive tactics borne of a time when crime was much higher.

Notice how the New York Times is much more reasonable-minded about the need for law-and-order in New York than in lowly Ferguson, MO.

And here’s Heather Mac Donald in the WSJ on the apparently nationwide pattern, as well as a video interview with her.

 
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  1. You know who I blame for the rise in homicides in New York City? I blame it on the Hasidic Jews with their sagging pants and the way they hold their guns sideways gangsta style. Hasidic Jews are thug life riders East Side till they die. Gangbangin is a way of life for them.

    • Replies: @Truth

    You know who I blame for the rise in homicides in New York City? I blame it on the Hasidic Jews
     
    And the award for tiredest, tritest, mot hackneyed snark of the week, goes to....
  2. Well there’s a new sheriff in town, except, he’s not a law and order type of guy. De Blasio runs on an extreme liberal agenda, with a implied anti-police bias and the bad guys take note. The ultra libs voters don’t care because the crime isn’t in their neighborhoods…yet. When the crime and shootings happen in the gentrified neighborhoods things will change quickly.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Back in the bad old days, violent crime wasn't in "their neighborhood" either, e.g. the 19th precinct (East Side, 59th St to 96th St.) typically had zero murders per year. Few comparable cities, with population approaching 200,000, could boast that record.) When crime was high, the politicians made sure taxpayers (Fifth Ave, Madison Ave, Park Ave) were well-served with high visibility police presence so the tax base didn't flee the city.

    Kaiser Wilhelm's dismissal of the rise in crime as a "gang and crew problem" with "gang members shooting other gang members" is consistent with the response of the bad old days (Lindsay, Beame, Koch, Dinkins) when keeping crime contained to poor neighborhoods was the best they thought could be expected. A Republican mayor would've been run out of town for such "insensitive" remarks.

    In the pre-Giuliani era, it wasn't prudent to drive down Lexington Ave from 125th St, at night, as gangs were shooting at one another, across the street at subway entrances along Lexington Ave--so you'd take Second Ave. Many other precautionary notes existed.
  3. Notice how the NYT did not mention the killing of the unarmed black man in New York.

  4. Notice that the problem is the fault of the police force, for being “skeptical” toward Hizzonner de Blasio.

  5. So the police take a more hands-off approach to policing as our cities get less white and more black and latino, crime goes up…no, nothing to talk about here.

  6. But this year’s figure is still well under the more than 2,000 logged over the same period two decades ago.

    Yes, under the leadership of New York City’s last idiotically liberal mayor.

    The question remains: How to quell gunplay in an era when stop-and-frisk tactics — for years among the Police Department’s principal tools for curbing street violence — are employed far less frequently than before its excessive use came under widespread criticism.

    I guess NYT feels the use of stop-and-frisk excessively lowered the murder rate.

    I’m a Constitutional Carry fan, not a stop-and-frisk fan, but if you’re going to prevent law-abiding people from arming themselves, I’m afraid you are going to have to institute a program like that to keep the predators from preying on the helpless. You can’t disarm only the good guys.

  7. Bee says:

    We have a huge problem in this country and it won’t be solved by more “stop and frisk” policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    The hysteria whipped up by the gun lobby when Obama was elected has an effect and it is deadlyPeople may find DeBlasio’s left leaning progressiveness a problem but the real issue is the 2nd amendment.

    We are in the 21st century. It is well past the time to ban handguns.

    Repeal or amend the 2nd amendment now. Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    Disarm the cops first and I will consider giving up my hand guns. Nah, I won't. The real issue is diversity, not firearms.
    , @countenance
    Methinks you made a wrong turn at Albuquerque. Daily Kos is that way.

    Besides, no SQF, ban handguns...New York City has already given you all of what you want. Yet for some reason it's not utopia.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    Handgun possession outside the home or business is almost entirely illegal in New York right now. The problem is, the criminals don't obey the law.

    , @whorefinder
    You are the greatest troll I've seen this week. Well done, sir.

    Unless this is The Former Kris Jenner. In which case I say....

    Well done, sir.
    , @Dahlia

    We have a huge problem in this country and it won’t be solved by more “stop and frisk” policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.
     
    Called it!

    Depriving citizens of self-defense and a soft-on-crime criminal system go together like a horse and carriage.

    I haven’t seen any reason given for why things will be different this time; why would liberals’ assumptions change? They will not see the connection to the police lying low and the upsurge in crime, but when faced with that upsurge, they will come up with their liberal solutions (what other kind are they going to come up with??): gun control most prominently.
     

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/in-baltimore-social-justice-war/#comment-959247

    Rand Paul wept.

    , @Cracker
    Hysterical.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    We have a huge problem in this country…
     
    Why do you even live in it?
    , @a Newsreader
    "Make handgun possession outside the home illegal."

    You have inadvertently stumbled onto the whole point of Stop and Frisk. It was the only way for NYC to enforce the gun laws.

    If handguns inside the home remain legal, how will the police stop people from carrying handguns into NYC?

    The people of NYC value anti-racism more than safety.
  8. @Bee
    We have a huge problem in this country and it won't be solved by more "stop and frisk" policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    The hysteria whipped up by the gun lobby when Obama was elected has an effect and it is deadlyPeople may find DeBlasio's left leaning progressiveness a problem but the real issue is the 2nd amendment.

    We are in the 21st century. It is well past the time to ban handguns.

    Repeal or amend the 2nd amendment now. Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    Disarm the cops first and I will consider giving up my hand guns. Nah, I won’t. The real issue is diversity, not firearms.

  9. Wow, look at the article’s comments! Many are (almost) indistinguishable from the ones here. I’m not going to get too optimistic but perhaps we’re at some sort of turning point, or at least a correction.

  10. How long will it take to stop the anti-cop stuff and turn it around? Another fifteen year cycle, during which we lose completely cities like Baltimore and “Chiraq”? Or can it be reversed quickly because there is so many lives and (especially) so much money at stake? My guess is it can be turned around pretty fast: white people and (also especially) new immigrants are less likely to be may-maued than they were back in the day. But I’m not sure.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's a hard question, in part because there is so little public knowledge of what were the precise mechanisms behind the big crime boom last time.
  11. As in Baltimore, such is the result of “community policing”. Those murky institutions known as neighborhoods and “communities” just don’t seem to stop the violence.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Haven't you hear about Randian Superman Lew Rockwell's solution? Private Protective Services at Market Prices will make inner city neighborhoods 100% peaceful and crime-free.
  12. If you think Bill de Blasio is actually caught between a rock and a hard place, forget about it. He’ll just say “look squirrel” and complain about the South’s “weak” gun laws. Bloomberg actually pioneered that tactic, but he did it to distract people from the fact that the NYPD was using SQF. De Blasio will use it to distract from the fact that the NYPD is no longer using SQF.

  13. @Bee
    We have a huge problem in this country and it won't be solved by more "stop and frisk" policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    The hysteria whipped up by the gun lobby when Obama was elected has an effect and it is deadlyPeople may find DeBlasio's left leaning progressiveness a problem but the real issue is the 2nd amendment.

    We are in the 21st century. It is well past the time to ban handguns.

    Repeal or amend the 2nd amendment now. Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    Methinks you made a wrong turn at Albuquerque. Daily Kos is that way.

    Besides, no SQF, ban handguns…New York City has already given you all of what you want. Yet for some reason it’s not utopia.

  14. “So far this year, there have been 439 shootings, 20 percent higher than the same period in 2013…”

    Well we finally know what de Bassio is good at creating.

  15. @Bee
    We have a huge problem in this country and it won't be solved by more "stop and frisk" policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    The hysteria whipped up by the gun lobby when Obama was elected has an effect and it is deadlyPeople may find DeBlasio's left leaning progressiveness a problem but the real issue is the 2nd amendment.

    We are in the 21st century. It is well past the time to ban handguns.

    Repeal or amend the 2nd amendment now. Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    Handgun possession outside the home or business is almost entirely illegal in New York right now. The problem is, the criminals don’t obey the law.

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    I saw this come up at Lion of the Blogosphere* and wondered the same thing... Don't they face a problem with diminishing returns? And ditto for other liberal cities?
    Someone much more versed on gun laws could flesh this out. My sense has been that they generally were liberalized, nationally, but that some places barely moved the needle. Would love to find out more about this.

    *I do agree with some of his commenters that some people cannot psychologically handle responsibility for their own defense and won't own guns. I predict another round of white flight because I believe our lull in crime is over. I mean, the Bruce Jenner celebration ... people under 30, 35 maybe, have no memories of the Buffalo Bill types or the visceral dread, say, a windowless van provokes. And so many of the older ones have forgotten how perverse and evil people can be.
  16. @nglaer
    How long will it take to stop the anti-cop stuff and turn it around? Another fifteen year cycle, during which we lose completely cities like Baltimore and "Chiraq"? Or can it be reversed quickly because there is so many lives and (especially) so much money at stake? My guess is it can be turned around pretty fast: white people and (also especially) new immigrants are less likely to be may-maued than they were back in the day. But I'm not sure.

    It’s a hard question, in part because there is so little public knowledge of what were the precise mechanisms behind the big crime boom last time.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    It’s a hard question, in part because there is so little public knowledge of what were the precise mechanisms behind the big crime boom last time.

     

    Daniel Amneus suggested following a crime boom back about fifteen years. The "precise mechanism" is likely to be a bastardy boom.
    , @Father O'Hara
    "Precise mechanisms"? Wouldn't that be large negroes?
  17. Ahh so the white intelligenstia is getting worried… good.

    Still do expect deBlasio to return to SQF because it would put him on the outs with his wife, the black community and the white SJW types. So he’ll just blunder right on along as the body count rises. He can also count on the MSM to reframe the disaster into something positive. So he’s good to go.

    It will be quite interesting as the deaths pile up to see the contortions of the Left to explain why their Leftist paradise is rotting.

  18. New Yorkers, it’s simple:

    You can have stop and frisk.

    You can have segregation.

    You can have high violent crime.

    Pick one.

  19. @Bee
    We have a huge problem in this country and it won't be solved by more "stop and frisk" policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    The hysteria whipped up by the gun lobby when Obama was elected has an effect and it is deadlyPeople may find DeBlasio's left leaning progressiveness a problem but the real issue is the 2nd amendment.

    We are in the 21st century. It is well past the time to ban handguns.

    Repeal or amend the 2nd amendment now. Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    You are the greatest troll I’ve seen this week. Well done, sir.

    Unless this is The Former Kris Jenner. In which case I say….

    Well done, sir.

  20. Dahlia says:
    @Bee
    We have a huge problem in this country and it won't be solved by more "stop and frisk" policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    The hysteria whipped up by the gun lobby when Obama was elected has an effect and it is deadlyPeople may find DeBlasio's left leaning progressiveness a problem but the real issue is the 2nd amendment.

    We are in the 21st century. It is well past the time to ban handguns.

    Repeal or amend the 2nd amendment now. Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    We have a huge problem in this country and it won’t be solved by more “stop and frisk” policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    Called it!

    Depriving citizens of self-defense and a soft-on-crime criminal system go together like a horse and carriage.

    I haven’t seen any reason given for why things will be different this time; why would liberals’ assumptions change? They will not see the connection to the police lying low and the upsurge in crime, but when faced with that upsurge, they will come up with their liberal solutions (what other kind are they going to come up with??): gun control most prominently.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/in-baltimore-social-justice-war/#comment-959247

    Rand Paul wept.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    they will come up with their liberal solutions
     
    There's nothing liberal about civilian disarmament.
  21. @Bee
    We have a huge problem in this country and it won't be solved by more "stop and frisk" policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    The hysteria whipped up by the gun lobby when Obama was elected has an effect and it is deadlyPeople may find DeBlasio's left leaning progressiveness a problem but the real issue is the 2nd amendment.

    We are in the 21st century. It is well past the time to ban handguns.

    Repeal or amend the 2nd amendment now. Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    Hysterical.

  22. So far New York’s crime surge has been limited to the ghetto. For most people the city is as safe as ever.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Well, yes. Where do you think the crime was occurring in the pre-Giuliani era? Of course it was in the ghettos.

    Giuliani's change was to put police resources where crime was occurring, so to actually reduce crime--as opposed to holed-up in better neighborhoods like an occupying army to keep the invading hoards at bay. Giuliani believed everyone deserved to live in safe neighborhoods.
    , @Brutusale
    Seems like quite a few of the reports I've read over the past few weeks have identified Central Park as the location for assaults and robberies.
  23. Dahlia says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    Handgun possession outside the home or business is almost entirely illegal in New York right now. The problem is, the criminals don't obey the law.

    I saw this come up at Lion of the Blogosphere* and wondered the same thing… Don’t they face a problem with diminishing returns? And ditto for other liberal cities?
    Someone much more versed on gun laws could flesh this out. My sense has been that they generally were liberalized, nationally, but that some places barely moved the needle. Would love to find out more about this.

    *I do agree with some of his commenters that some people cannot psychologically handle responsibility for their own defense and won’t own guns. I predict another round of white flight because I believe our lull in crime is over. I mean, the Bruce Jenner celebration … people under 30, 35 maybe, have no memories of the Buffalo Bill types or the visceral dread, say, a windowless van provokes. And so many of the older ones have forgotten how perverse and evil people can be.

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    Outside of the Northeast and California shall-issue concealed carry licenses for handguns is nearly universal. ("Shall issue" means the state must issue a license unless they can find a valid reason not to, such as a prior felony.) About 40 states have shall-issue CCW, up from a handful in 1985. In addition a few states have "constitutional carry," no license needed to carry a concealed weapon. You just strap it on and go.

    The percentage of the population that actually obtains a license in CCW states varies from about 1-10%, with the average being around 5%, with a fraction of that number carrying every day.

    It seems to cause a small but detectable reduction in violent crime rates.

  24. Thank goodness it’s just play:

    That’s because black and latino males are doing it.

    If White men were the shooters it would be “hate, violence and a legacy of White racism and White privilege, etc etc”.

    The question remains: How to quell gunplay

    The question remains: How to stop black and latino males in New York and around the nation from shooting people at alarmingly and disproportionately high levels.

    But this is the New York Times so these verbal self deceptions are what to expect.

  25. “Gunplay” — the term always makes me chuckle. Always reminds me of Safe European Home: “I’d stay and be a tourist but I can’t take the gunplay!!!”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Gunplay” — the term always makes me chuckle
     
    "Hi, Hi, Hi" was banned from the BBC for the line "Get you ready for my body gun."

    Sir Paul later claimed it was "polygon", but that makes less sense, and would hurt more.
  26. @yaqub the mad scientist
    As in Baltimore, such is the result of "community policing". Those murky institutions known as neighborhoods and "communities" just don't seem to stop the violence.

    Haven’t you hear about Randian Superman Lew Rockwell’s solution? Private Protective Services at Market Prices will make inner city neighborhoods 100% peaceful and crime-free.

    • Replies: @Mark Minter
    @David In Ten

    Here is a movie, From the Future With Love. It is more or less styled like a movie trailer. Shorts are becoming more and more prevelant on these movie sites. They are beginning to be one of my favorite modern art forms because they have to develop the story quickly and how they do it is often quite creative. This one pretty much gets right into it.

    http://www.solarmovie.ws/watch-from-the-future-with-love-2013-online.html

    From the synopsis:
    "In this short piece, 12:20 mins long, three officers meet in a Brooklyn diner for breakfast. We then follow them through their day. While two cops patrol Manhattan and advertise their corporation police insurances and package, their captain encounters a new breed of criminal. Ultimately, they all share the exact same fate."

    In the opening scene with the three in the diner, the guy at the very next table to the cops runs on the check and the cops just sit there. The waitress cries, "Aren't you going to do something?" One of them puts on a helmet with a "smart" visor which does facial recognition on the waitress with the status "Basic Coverage". The cop explains "Sorry you only have basic coverage which only covers armed assault and homicide. We have a special on premium coverage if you wish to upgrade."

    But actually I have seen neo-feudalism at work in Colombia and it does work. But it sort of has to be built into the infrastructure and buildings of the city. All apartment buildings have guards. All garages are controlled. All malls have guards at all entrances. Many streets with houses have a "Vigilante" (more like the vigilant translation in english). Poorer neighborhoods establish what they call "Paramilitaries" or an Autodefensa (auto meaning "self" in spanish). Former Presidente Urribe described them as a "Neighborhood Watch", but usually they are in some uniform thing, maybe also a reflective vest, maybe only armed with a nightstick.

    But it only really protects the "Gente Bien". The Thug murders, the gang related stuff cannot be stopped because often the two groups may come together voluntarily, or the victim was hunted, either for non-payment of monies owed, or due a Culebra, the time honored Colombian tradition, translated to "Snakes", sort of a Colombian Hatfield-McCoy vengeance that turns into a feud and once it starts it doesn't stop.

    I was party to a scene once in a very upper middle class enclave. The woman I knew had just gotten a kitten. Her neighbor was an OB-GYN, and he had been suspected of killing a previous cat she had years before, but it was not proven. He feared the protozoan Toxoplasma gondii which is known to cause sever birth defects in a fetus and is passed most commonly via cat feces. In the Colombian way of handling "problems", this doctor decided he wasn't taking any chances with his patients and he tossed some food over into her back patio that was laced with poison. It killed the cat and almost killed her dog who was far larger.

    The kitten had been a gift to her 11 year old daughter who happened to be on visitation with her father, who was divorced from the woman. All this happened on a Sunday. When she returned later, the woman informed the daughter at the door and the ex-husband went off. He rushed to the neighbors house and screamed if another animal dies for any reason then the neighbor could expect bullets to be coming into the house. He was livid.

    And the doctor called his nephew, an officer in the Colombian Army that lived close by. The nephew shows up carrying his issue army .45 and is waiving it around. The woman's teenage son gets home and he is huge especially for Colombian standards, around 6"4" 220 pounds at 15 years of age. He was the goalie for the Medellin adult roller hockey team, the ADULT hockey team. The cops come and try to separate everybody. So he gets involved and it takes all the cops can do to keep the kid from getting at the doctor. They don't arrest the nephew/army officer because in his official capacity, he is allowed to have his pistol and even to point it at anyone if he feels the need. They can't do anything to the doctor because even though the patios of the two homes touch and share only some lattice work/fence thing as separation, there is not any absolute proof that the doc tossed the poison in there. And they tell the woman just because they are good guys they won't arrest the kid for attempted assault.

    As they are all breaking up, the Colombian Officer coldly tells the kid, "Usted debe arreglar su ropa" which translates to English as "You better arrange your clothes". But in Colombian it means, "Figure out what you are going to wear for your funeral."

    Keep in mind that we have the woman, a dentist, the neighbor, an OB-Gyn, and a high placed Colombian Army Officer in the middle of the same private closed complex that a former Governor of the Department of Antioquia lived in. Pretty much "Gente Bien" for sure, very "bien".

    But when a Colombian levies a Culebra threat like that, well, you move, you leave. She moved out of that house the very next day and never went back.

    So far worse shit goes on up in those Barrios Populares up on the sides of the hills where the poor live and gangs are rife. I read an observation today that Funerals begat more Funerals in the hood. The Culebra enters brains and it crawls around and maddens you.

    And even with all of this neo-feudal security that really does work for the most part, Cali, Medellin, and even Santa Marta (on the Carib coast where the fast boats go out with cocaine) which you would never ever have any idea if you visited because it really has nothing to do with the majority of the city and especially the tourist that come there. You are safe walking around in all of those places at 3 in the morning. I know. I did it, often. But all three are in the top 50 highest murder rates in the world, higher than almost any city in Africa, only challenged by other Latin American cities. Medellin and Cali are in the top 20.

    So all the private security, short of someone standing in every room in the city, will not keep that "Gunplay" from happening unless those Gunplayers do not feel secure in walking the streets with hidden guns via Stop and Frisk.

  27. @Dahlia
    I saw this come up at Lion of the Blogosphere* and wondered the same thing... Don't they face a problem with diminishing returns? And ditto for other liberal cities?
    Someone much more versed on gun laws could flesh this out. My sense has been that they generally were liberalized, nationally, but that some places barely moved the needle. Would love to find out more about this.

    *I do agree with some of his commenters that some people cannot psychologically handle responsibility for their own defense and won't own guns. I predict another round of white flight because I believe our lull in crime is over. I mean, the Bruce Jenner celebration ... people under 30, 35 maybe, have no memories of the Buffalo Bill types or the visceral dread, say, a windowless van provokes. And so many of the older ones have forgotten how perverse and evil people can be.

    Outside of the Northeast and California shall-issue concealed carry licenses for handguns is nearly universal. (“Shall issue” means the state must issue a license unless they can find a valid reason not to, such as a prior felony.) About 40 states have shall-issue CCW, up from a handful in 1985. In addition a few states have “constitutional carry,” no license needed to carry a concealed weapon. You just strap it on and go.

    The percentage of the population that actually obtains a license in CCW states varies from about 1-10%, with the average being around 5%, with a fraction of that number carrying every day.

    It seems to cause a small but detectable reduction in violent crime rates.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    "Outside of the Northeast and California shall-issue concealed carry licenses for handguns is nearly universal."

    I'd just add that three states in the Northeast hardly regulate firearms at all: Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. Vermont has some of the weakest gun control laws in the country. These three states have the lowest rates of violent crime in the Northeast and Vermont has the lowest of all.

    Now of course, some will argue that it's the racial and ethnic composition of these states -- blandly non-diverse (except for a large French Canadian presence) and majority white -- that's responsible. Others will suggest that it's these states' rural nature; although such persons will still have difficulty explaining the low rates of violence in the states' largest cities.

    To resolve this quibble I suggest a simple thought experiment. Imagine: (1) Eliminating all gun laws in NYC, Baltimore, and DC. (2) In NYC removing all non-whites; in Baltimore removing all whites; and in DC removing all whites and then a further quantum of randomly selected non-whites until the population density approaches that of Vermont. (3) Just for the hell of it imposing really strict gun control laws in Burlington, Montpelier, Portsmouth, Bangor, Manchester and Salem. (4) Tracking changes in violent crime stats across the experimental sites for a few years.

    I think most intelligent and informed people can pretty much predict the results ahead of time unless their thought processes are hobbled by the thoroughly internalized double-plus-unthink that characterizes sad cases of progressive dementia like that from which Bee suffers. For these latter no cure yet exists but we should not give up hope.
  28. @Dahlia

    We have a huge problem in this country and it won’t be solved by more “stop and frisk” policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.
     
    Called it!

    Depriving citizens of self-defense and a soft-on-crime criminal system go together like a horse and carriage.

    I haven’t seen any reason given for why things will be different this time; why would liberals’ assumptions change? They will not see the connection to the police lying low and the upsurge in crime, but when faced with that upsurge, they will come up with their liberal solutions (what other kind are they going to come up with??): gun control most prominently.
     

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/in-baltimore-social-justice-war/#comment-959247

    Rand Paul wept.

    they will come up with their liberal solutions

    There’s nothing liberal about civilian disarmament.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Karl Popper said that the liberal society could not tolerate those who opposed liberalism.

    If you aren't persuaded by social engineering, you obviously must be restrained.

    An armed citizenry is a potential reactionary veto over an Enlightened liberal majority.
  29. @Steve Sailer
    It's a hard question, in part because there is so little public knowledge of what were the precise mechanisms behind the big crime boom last time.

    It’s a hard question, in part because there is so little public knowledge of what were the precise mechanisms behind the big crime boom last time.

    Daniel Amneus suggested following a crime boom back about fifteen years. The “precise mechanism” is likely to be a bastardy boom.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    Exactly - I read elsewhere about how the racial economic gap was slowly closing from the 60s until about 1990, when it started to widen again. This seemed to more or less line up with when when the percentage the percentage of blacks entering adulthood and had grown up in single parent households exceeded those who had grown up in a traditional family.
  30. San Diego County, pop 3.2 million, had 74 murders in 2014.

    Chicago, pop 2.7 million, had about 400.

    For the life of me I cannot figure out why. Must be our gun control laws.

  31. @Malcolm X-Lax
    "Gunplay" -- the term always makes me chuckle. Always reminds me of Safe European Home: "I'd stay and be a tourist but I can't take the gunplay!!!"

    “Gunplay” — the term always makes me chuckle

    “Hi, Hi, Hi” was banned from the BBC for the line “Get you ready for my body gun.”

    Sir Paul later claimed it was “polygon”, but that makes less sense, and would hurt more.

  32. @Bee
    We have a huge problem in this country and it won't be solved by more "stop and frisk" policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    The hysteria whipped up by the gun lobby when Obama was elected has an effect and it is deadlyPeople may find DeBlasio's left leaning progressiveness a problem but the real issue is the 2nd amendment.

    We are in the 21st century. It is well past the time to ban handguns.

    Repeal or amend the 2nd amendment now. Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    We have a huge problem in this country…

    Why do you even live in it?

  33. Here’s my guess: at some point, the necessity will arise to bring back “Stop n’ Frisk” – and tougher than ever. It’s one thing, as you note, to let those hillbilly mopes in Ferguson, Missouri take it on the chin when Vibrancy arrives from the big city toting Section 8 vouchers in one hand and a brood of Gentle Giants in the other. After all, Right Side of History oracle says those folks have it coming.

    But it’s quite another when it ceases to be possible to Ignore Patterns on the Upper West Side: I mean, Rudy was gauche and a bit crude, and Bloomberg was a billionaire flake, but

    So I predict “science” will be consulted, a’ la your recent Taki column about the big gay “marriage” study that went bust*, and a new marketing search will commence in earnest: how can we re-brand “Stop n’ Frisk” into something that sounds…nicer.

    Of course, the quicker violent crime goes from bad to worse, the quicker the old, successful policing policy will be launched anew; and before long it will be going forward full-tilt, just as before. Crime will drop like a stone once, just as before. The argument, IMO, will be over what prettified new name to drape over it: perhaps there will even be a contest. Myself, I’d recommend “Stop n’ Frisk” be re-branded “Frisk But Don’t Diss.”

    Okay: Don Draper probably wouldn’t move my resume to the top of the pile. But the point is it wouldn’t really matter what euphemism they re-branded it with, as long as (a) the national liberal media and the SJW’s whose online chain’s they yank were pacified, and (b) crime actually returned to Bloomberg/Giuliani-era levels.

    I think it’s quite safe to predict that Stop n’ Frisk by whatever name smarter folks than me manage to dream up to call it will return to the streets of NYC if crime continues to spike in those gilded precincts that Frank Sinatra famously crooned about: because if you’re wealthy enough to live in the city that never sleeps, you surely are entitled to walk its streets in perfect safety with all the lovely Vibrancy swirling around you. Patted down and rendered relatively harmless – i.e., cleared as weapon & outstanding-warrants-free – by stern-eyed men in Blue who look a bit like they maybe-belong out in fly-over boonies like Ferguson, of course, sipping belly-wash beer with that guy Darren Wilson…But, ummm, nevermind – we’re glad they’re here back!

    *For the one Unz iSteve regular who might have missed it: http://takimag.com/article/ten_thousand_haven_monahans_steve_sailer/print#axzz3byrDSMIq

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Police Officers in NYC are majority minority (Hispanic, Black, Asian), so generally speaking, they don't look like they belong in fly-over country, or would be drinking beer with that guy Darren Wilson. But thanks for noticing...
  34. Woman slashed on neck aboard subway

    Yeah, they showed his picture but refused to mention his race in the description.

    NYPD: Arrest in subway slashing of Swedish tourist

    Yeah, they mentioned she was Swedish but didn’t mention the dreaded W-word.

    White victim/black attacker and down the memory hole it goes!

    On the same page they mention:

    Subway push investigated as hate crime…attack on a woman inside a subway station as a possible hate crime. A man pushed a 28-year-old victim, who is transgender, onto the tracks on the southbound platform at the Bleecker Street station

  35. Love the title ‘gun play’. Yeah right, f*cking about with deadly weapons that require a mere squeeze in a trigger to kill or permanently disable is called ‘play’, in the same way as Winnie the Pooh ‘played’ with his pooh sticks.

  36. These little town blues are melting away, stop and frisk is going to make a brand new start of it in old New York and if we can gentrify here we can gentrify anywhere, its up to you New York New York.

  37. NYC is doomed. Its the demogrphics. De Blasio won based on ending stop and frisk. Blacks and Latinos don’t like their relatives going to prison for carrying guns. They are the majority voters. All that Eastside money won’t change it any more than in Detroit or Baltimore.

    There is only one future for NYC. Detroit. Sure it will wash elite and Russian and Chinese money down the toilet but why does De Blasio care? Black votes happy the can gang it up without the cops around will get him re elected. Cops not arresting de Blasios voters in a donut slowdown? De Blasio is laughing.

    Diminishing returns exist for money buying elections. NYC has imho tipped to Baltimore status. A few years and Yankees games will have no spectatrs just tv like the Baltimore game.

    Only cities rapidly purging Blacks and Hispancs through pricing have a future. SF, Seattle, Portlandia, Austin. That’s about it.

    Every place else including NYC is doomed to be Detroit. Black voters can Mike Brown a place faster than rents can ristldr, de Blasio is the symptom of demographic change not the cause.

  38. @Reg Cæsar

    they will come up with their liberal solutions
     
    There's nothing liberal about civilian disarmament.

    Karl Popper said that the liberal society could not tolerate those who opposed liberalism.

    If you aren’t persuaded by social engineering, you obviously must be restrained.

    An armed citizenry is a potential reactionary veto over an Enlightened liberal majority.

  39. NYC turning into a mega-Detroit is a personal fantasy of mine.

    Sadly, New York is just too valuable for the elites to abandon it to another 70s style crime wave. Warren Wilhelm will be a one term mayor.

  40. @Jefferson
    You know who I blame for the rise in homicides in New York City? I blame it on the Hasidic Jews with their sagging pants and the way they hold their guns sideways gangsta style. Hasidic Jews are thug life riders East Side till they die. Gangbangin is a way of life for them.

    You know who I blame for the rise in homicides in New York City? I blame it on the Hasidic Jews

    And the award for tiredest, tritest, mot hackneyed snark of the week, goes to….

  41. @Reg Cæsar


    It’s a hard question, in part because there is so little public knowledge of what were the precise mechanisms behind the big crime boom last time.

     

    Daniel Amneus suggested following a crime boom back about fifteen years. The "precise mechanism" is likely to be a bastardy boom.

    Exactly – I read elsewhere about how the racial economic gap was slowly closing from the 60s until about 1990, when it started to widen again. This seemed to more or less line up with when when the percentage the percentage of blacks entering adulthood and had grown up in single parent households exceeded those who had grown up in a traditional family.

    • Replies: @Muse
    You can't export well paying, low skill jobs to China and Mexico while loosening immigration and maintain the incomes of people on the lower half of the bell curve..

    1990
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990

    1994
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement


    Gee, why might the income gap have widened in 1990?
  42. @Boomstick
    Outside of the Northeast and California shall-issue concealed carry licenses for handguns is nearly universal. ("Shall issue" means the state must issue a license unless they can find a valid reason not to, such as a prior felony.) About 40 states have shall-issue CCW, up from a handful in 1985. In addition a few states have "constitutional carry," no license needed to carry a concealed weapon. You just strap it on and go.

    The percentage of the population that actually obtains a license in CCW states varies from about 1-10%, with the average being around 5%, with a fraction of that number carrying every day.

    It seems to cause a small but detectable reduction in violent crime rates.

    “Outside of the Northeast and California shall-issue concealed carry licenses for handguns is nearly universal.”

    I’d just add that three states in the Northeast hardly regulate firearms at all: Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. Vermont has some of the weakest gun control laws in the country. These three states have the lowest rates of violent crime in the Northeast and Vermont has the lowest of all.

    Now of course, some will argue that it’s the racial and ethnic composition of these states — blandly non-diverse (except for a large French Canadian presence) and majority white — that’s responsible. Others will suggest that it’s these states’ rural nature; although such persons will still have difficulty explaining the low rates of violence in the states’ largest cities.

    To resolve this quibble I suggest a simple thought experiment. Imagine: (1) Eliminating all gun laws in NYC, Baltimore, and DC. (2) In NYC removing all non-whites; in Baltimore removing all whites; and in DC removing all whites and then a further quantum of randomly selected non-whites until the population density approaches that of Vermont. (3) Just for the hell of it imposing really strict gun control laws in Burlington, Montpelier, Portsmouth, Bangor, Manchester and Salem. (4) Tracking changes in violent crime stats across the experimental sites for a few years.

    I think most intelligent and informed people can pretty much predict the results ahead of time unless their thought processes are hobbled by the thoroughly internalized double-plus-unthink that characterizes sad cases of progressive dementia like that from which Bee suffers. For these latter no cure yet exists but we should not give up hope.

  43. Of the 135 killings through May, 98 involved a gun, up from 69 such killings at this point in 2013

    Strange sentence. Do they ever get around to reporting how much murders, committed by whatever means, are up this year? Robberies?

  44. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wilhelm is there just for his own personal reasons, to strut about before the cameras looking earnest, sending his wife to Italy, putting friends on the public payroll and so on. He’s a lifelong parasite. Why should he care about anything except himself? He’ll pretend to care, explain it all away by blaming others and go on his merry way. He’s living the good life and if they have to clean up the wreckage after he’s gone then so be it. He and his wife will land on their feet somewhere else and cash in over there. There’s no shame in his game.

  45. @Steve Sailer
    It's a hard question, in part because there is so little public knowledge of what were the precise mechanisms behind the big crime boom last time.

    “Precise mechanisms”? Wouldn’t that be large negroes?

  46. If you want to hammer the gun control crowd, the blunt instrument provided by the Baltimore Mayor’s stand down order makes a fine bludgeon.

    Who in their right mind would give up their weapons when the police protection we pay for can be ordered to stand aside for the benefit of the very forces we need protection from?

  47. @Buffalo Joe
    Well there's a new sheriff in town, except, he's not a law and order type of guy. De Blasio runs on an extreme liberal agenda, with a implied anti-police bias and the bad guys take note. The ultra libs voters don't care because the crime isn't in their neighborhoods...yet. When the crime and shootings happen in the gentrified neighborhoods things will change quickly.

    Back in the bad old days, violent crime wasn’t in “their neighborhood” either, e.g. the 19th precinct (East Side, 59th St to 96th St.) typically had zero murders per year. Few comparable cities, with population approaching 200,000, could boast that record.) When crime was high, the politicians made sure taxpayers (Fifth Ave, Madison Ave, Park Ave) were well-served with high visibility police presence so the tax base didn’t flee the city.

    Kaiser Wilhelm’s dismissal of the rise in crime as a “gang and crew problem” with “gang members shooting other gang members” is consistent with the response of the bad old days (Lindsay, Beame, Koch, Dinkins) when keeping crime contained to poor neighborhoods was the best they thought could be expected. A Republican mayor would’ve been run out of town for such “insensitive” remarks.

    In the pre-Giuliani era, it wasn’t prudent to drive down Lexington Ave from 125th St, at night, as gangs were shooting at one another, across the street at subway entrances along Lexington Ave–so you’d take Second Ave. Many other precautionary notes existed.

  48. @prosa123
    So far New York's crime surge has been limited to the ghetto. For most people the city is as safe as ever.

    Well, yes. Where do you think the crime was occurring in the pre-Giuliani era? Of course it was in the ghettos.

    Giuliani’s change was to put police resources where crime was occurring, so to actually reduce crime–as opposed to holed-up in better neighborhoods like an occupying army to keep the invading hoards at bay. Giuliani believed everyone deserved to live in safe neighborhoods.

  49. @Jason Sylvester
    Here's my guess: at some point, the necessity will arise to bring back "Stop n' Frisk" - and tougher than ever. It's one thing, as you note, to let those hillbilly mopes in Ferguson, Missouri take it on the chin when Vibrancy arrives from the big city toting Section 8 vouchers in one hand and a brood of Gentle Giants in the other. After all, Right Side of History oracle says those folks have it coming.

    But it's quite another when it ceases to be possible to Ignore Patterns on the Upper West Side: I mean, Rudy was gauche and a bit crude, and Bloomberg was a billionaire flake, but...

    So I predict "science" will be consulted, a' la your recent Taki column about the big gay "marriage" study that went bust*, and a new marketing search will commence in earnest: how can we re-brand "Stop n' Frisk" into something that sounds...nicer.

    Of course, the quicker violent crime goes from bad to worse, the quicker the old, successful policing policy will be launched anew; and before long it will be going forward full-tilt, just as before. Crime will drop like a stone once, just as before. The argument, IMO, will be over what prettified new name to drape over it: perhaps there will even be a contest. Myself, I'd recommend "Stop n' Frisk" be re-branded "Frisk But Don't Diss."

    Okay: Don Draper probably wouldn't move my resume to the top of the pile. But the point is it wouldn't really matter what euphemism they re-branded it with, as long as (a) the national liberal media and the SJW's whose online chain's they yank were pacified, and (b) crime actually returned to Bloomberg/Giuliani-era levels.

    I think it's quite safe to predict that Stop n' Frisk by whatever name smarter folks than me manage to dream up to call it will return to the streets of NYC if crime continues to spike in those gilded precincts that Frank Sinatra famously crooned about: because if you're wealthy enough to live in the city that never sleeps, you surely are entitled to walk its streets in perfect safety with all the lovely Vibrancy swirling around you. Patted down and rendered relatively harmless - i.e., cleared as weapon & outstanding-warrants-free - by stern-eyed men in Blue who look a bit like they maybe-belong out in fly-over boonies like Ferguson, of course, sipping belly-wash beer with that guy Darren Wilson...But, ummm, nevermind - we're glad they're here back!

    *For the one Unz iSteve regular who might have missed it: http://takimag.com/article/ten_thousand_haven_monahans_steve_sailer/print#axzz3byrDSMIq

    Police Officers in NYC are majority minority (Hispanic, Black, Asian), so generally speaking, they don’t look like they belong in fly-over country, or would be drinking beer with that guy Darren Wilson. But thanks for noticing…

  50. So stop and frisk has declined by like 95% in NYC, and gun crimes have gone up 20%. Glancing at the MacDonald piece, 20% might representative as an urban trend in gun crime for the last year or so.

    My question is: what fraction of the increase in gun/violent crime should we attribute to (1) the cessation of stop-and-frisk itself; what fraction to (2) changes in policing (restraint) that are additional to stop and frisk cessation in the aftermath of Ferguson, Garner, etc., including the effects of the the NYC police pseudo-strike, etc.; and what fraction is due to (3) increased anti-police sentiment, due to delegitimization of the police?

    These other jurisdictions didn’t have stop-and-frisk (right?), but they have reacted to Ferguson etc, in terms of police being more restrained, and also anti-police sentiment (delegitimization).

    If we can somehow additively disentangle these effects, then the contribution of stop-and-frisk must be less than 100% of the change in gun crime. At the risk of torturing a tiny amount of data, my noisy estimate is that we can reasonably attribute a 10-15% increase in violent crime to stop-and-frisk cessation itself.
    (But stop-and-frisk will also be correlated with the other factors, presumably, if it increases again.)

    Any thoughts?

  51. The vast majority of the murders and shootings in NYC this year have happened in public housing projects. They don’t affect life for the rest of us. Gentrification has steadily closed in on these islands of black poverty and will continue to do so, even if there are 2000 black on black murders in housing projects next year.

    What ruined NYC in the 70’s and 80’s were the muggings and rapes and thefts that black criminals perpetrated all over the city. Murders in the housing projects were not it.

  52. Beatdowns –> Fisticuffs

  53. @Bee
    We have a huge problem in this country and it won't be solved by more "stop and frisk" policies aimed primarily at minorities and at minority neighborhoods. Guns and violence are the American way, celebrated in film and song.

    The hysteria whipped up by the gun lobby when Obama was elected has an effect and it is deadlyPeople may find DeBlasio's left leaning progressiveness a problem but the real issue is the 2nd amendment.

    We are in the 21st century. It is well past the time to ban handguns.

    Repeal or amend the 2nd amendment now. Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.

    “Make handgun possession outside the home illegal.”

    You have inadvertently stumbled onto the whole point of Stop and Frisk. It was the only way for NYC to enforce the gun laws.

    If handguns inside the home remain legal, how will the police stop people from carrying handguns into NYC?

    The people of NYC value anti-racism more than safety.

  54. @Arclight
    Exactly - I read elsewhere about how the racial economic gap was slowly closing from the 60s until about 1990, when it started to widen again. This seemed to more or less line up with when when the percentage the percentage of blacks entering adulthood and had grown up in single parent households exceeded those who had grown up in a traditional family.

    You can’t export well paying, low skill jobs to China and Mexico while loosening immigration and maintain the incomes of people on the lower half of the bell curve..

    1990
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1990

    1994
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

    Gee, why might the income gap have widened in 1990?

  55. @David In TN
    Haven't you hear about Randian Superman Lew Rockwell's solution? Private Protective Services at Market Prices will make inner city neighborhoods 100% peaceful and crime-free.

    @David In Ten

    Here is a movie, From the Future With Love. It is more or less styled like a movie trailer. Shorts are becoming more and more prevelant on these movie sites. They are beginning to be one of my favorite modern art forms because they have to develop the story quickly and how they do it is often quite creative. This one pretty much gets right into it.

    http://www.solarmovie.ws/watch-from-the-future-with-love-2013-online.html

    From the synopsis:
    “In this short piece, 12:20 mins long, three officers meet in a Brooklyn diner for breakfast. We then follow them through their day. While two cops patrol Manhattan and advertise their corporation police insurances and package, their captain encounters a new breed of criminal. Ultimately, they all share the exact same fate.”

    In the opening scene with the three in the diner, the guy at the very next table to the cops runs on the check and the cops just sit there. The waitress cries, “Aren’t you going to do something?” One of them puts on a helmet with a “smart” visor which does facial recognition on the waitress with the status “Basic Coverage”. The cop explains “Sorry you only have basic coverage which only covers armed assault and homicide. We have a special on premium coverage if you wish to upgrade.”

    But actually I have seen neo-feudalism at work in Colombia and it does work. But it sort of has to be built into the infrastructure and buildings of the city. All apartment buildings have guards. All garages are controlled. All malls have guards at all entrances. Many streets with houses have a “Vigilante” (more like the vigilant translation in english). Poorer neighborhoods establish what they call “Paramilitaries” or an Autodefensa (auto meaning “self” in spanish). Former Presidente Urribe described them as a “Neighborhood Watch”, but usually they are in some uniform thing, maybe also a reflective vest, maybe only armed with a nightstick.

    But it only really protects the “Gente Bien”. The Thug murders, the gang related stuff cannot be stopped because often the two groups may come together voluntarily, or the victim was hunted, either for non-payment of monies owed, or due a Culebra, the time honored Colombian tradition, translated to “Snakes”, sort of a Colombian Hatfield-McCoy vengeance that turns into a feud and once it starts it doesn’t stop.

    I was party to a scene once in a very upper middle class enclave. The woman I knew had just gotten a kitten. Her neighbor was an OB-GYN, and he had been suspected of killing a previous cat she had years before, but it was not proven. He feared the protozoan Toxoplasma gondii which is known to cause sever birth defects in a fetus and is passed most commonly via cat feces. In the Colombian way of handling “problems”, this doctor decided he wasn’t taking any chances with his patients and he tossed some food over into her back patio that was laced with poison. It killed the cat and almost killed her dog who was far larger.

    The kitten had been a gift to her 11 year old daughter who happened to be on visitation with her father, who was divorced from the woman. All this happened on a Sunday. When she returned later, the woman informed the daughter at the door and the ex-husband went off. He rushed to the neighbors house and screamed if another animal dies for any reason then the neighbor could expect bullets to be coming into the house. He was livid.

    And the doctor called his nephew, an officer in the Colombian Army that lived close by. The nephew shows up carrying his issue army .45 and is waiving it around. The woman’s teenage son gets home and he is huge especially for Colombian standards, around 6″4″ 220 pounds at 15 years of age. He was the goalie for the Medellin adult roller hockey team, the ADULT hockey team. The cops come and try to separate everybody. So he gets involved and it takes all the cops can do to keep the kid from getting at the doctor. They don’t arrest the nephew/army officer because in his official capacity, he is allowed to have his pistol and even to point it at anyone if he feels the need. They can’t do anything to the doctor because even though the patios of the two homes touch and share only some lattice work/fence thing as separation, there is not any absolute proof that the doc tossed the poison in there. And they tell the woman just because they are good guys they won’t arrest the kid for attempted assault.

    As they are all breaking up, the Colombian Officer coldly tells the kid, “Usted debe arreglar su ropa” which translates to English as “You better arrange your clothes”. But in Colombian it means, “Figure out what you are going to wear for your funeral.”

    Keep in mind that we have the woman, a dentist, the neighbor, an OB-Gyn, and a high placed Colombian Army Officer in the middle of the same private closed complex that a former Governor of the Department of Antioquia lived in. Pretty much “Gente Bien” for sure, very “bien”.

    But when a Colombian levies a Culebra threat like that, well, you move, you leave. She moved out of that house the very next day and never went back.

    So far worse shit goes on up in those Barrios Populares up on the sides of the hills where the poor live and gangs are rife. I read an observation today that Funerals begat more Funerals in the hood. The Culebra enters brains and it crawls around and maddens you.

    And even with all of this neo-feudal security that really does work for the most part, Cali, Medellin, and even Santa Marta (on the Carib coast where the fast boats go out with cocaine) which you would never ever have any idea if you visited because it really has nothing to do with the majority of the city and especially the tourist that come there. You are safe walking around in all of those places at 3 in the morning. I know. I did it, often. But all three are in the top 50 highest murder rates in the world, higher than almost any city in Africa, only challenged by other Latin American cities. Medellin and Cali are in the top 20.

    So all the private security, short of someone standing in every room in the city, will not keep that “Gunplay” from happening unless those Gunplayers do not feel secure in walking the streets with hidden guns via Stop and Frisk.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Read Norman Spinrad's 1987 book, Little Heroes. A New York made up of the wealthy, living in protected areas guarded by Uzi-toting Zonies from the violent depredations of Streeties.
  56. @prosa123
    So far New York's crime surge has been limited to the ghetto. For most people the city is as safe as ever.

    Seems like quite a few of the reports I’ve read over the past few weeks have identified Central Park as the location for assaults and robberies.

  57. @Mark Minter
    @David In Ten

    Here is a movie, From the Future With Love. It is more or less styled like a movie trailer. Shorts are becoming more and more prevelant on these movie sites. They are beginning to be one of my favorite modern art forms because they have to develop the story quickly and how they do it is often quite creative. This one pretty much gets right into it.

    http://www.solarmovie.ws/watch-from-the-future-with-love-2013-online.html

    From the synopsis:
    "In this short piece, 12:20 mins long, three officers meet in a Brooklyn diner for breakfast. We then follow them through their day. While two cops patrol Manhattan and advertise their corporation police insurances and package, their captain encounters a new breed of criminal. Ultimately, they all share the exact same fate."

    In the opening scene with the three in the diner, the guy at the very next table to the cops runs on the check and the cops just sit there. The waitress cries, "Aren't you going to do something?" One of them puts on a helmet with a "smart" visor which does facial recognition on the waitress with the status "Basic Coverage". The cop explains "Sorry you only have basic coverage which only covers armed assault and homicide. We have a special on premium coverage if you wish to upgrade."

    But actually I have seen neo-feudalism at work in Colombia and it does work. But it sort of has to be built into the infrastructure and buildings of the city. All apartment buildings have guards. All garages are controlled. All malls have guards at all entrances. Many streets with houses have a "Vigilante" (more like the vigilant translation in english). Poorer neighborhoods establish what they call "Paramilitaries" or an Autodefensa (auto meaning "self" in spanish). Former Presidente Urribe described them as a "Neighborhood Watch", but usually they are in some uniform thing, maybe also a reflective vest, maybe only armed with a nightstick.

    But it only really protects the "Gente Bien". The Thug murders, the gang related stuff cannot be stopped because often the two groups may come together voluntarily, or the victim was hunted, either for non-payment of monies owed, or due a Culebra, the time honored Colombian tradition, translated to "Snakes", sort of a Colombian Hatfield-McCoy vengeance that turns into a feud and once it starts it doesn't stop.

    I was party to a scene once in a very upper middle class enclave. The woman I knew had just gotten a kitten. Her neighbor was an OB-GYN, and he had been suspected of killing a previous cat she had years before, but it was not proven. He feared the protozoan Toxoplasma gondii which is known to cause sever birth defects in a fetus and is passed most commonly via cat feces. In the Colombian way of handling "problems", this doctor decided he wasn't taking any chances with his patients and he tossed some food over into her back patio that was laced with poison. It killed the cat and almost killed her dog who was far larger.

    The kitten had been a gift to her 11 year old daughter who happened to be on visitation with her father, who was divorced from the woman. All this happened on a Sunday. When she returned later, the woman informed the daughter at the door and the ex-husband went off. He rushed to the neighbors house and screamed if another animal dies for any reason then the neighbor could expect bullets to be coming into the house. He was livid.

    And the doctor called his nephew, an officer in the Colombian Army that lived close by. The nephew shows up carrying his issue army .45 and is waiving it around. The woman's teenage son gets home and he is huge especially for Colombian standards, around 6"4" 220 pounds at 15 years of age. He was the goalie for the Medellin adult roller hockey team, the ADULT hockey team. The cops come and try to separate everybody. So he gets involved and it takes all the cops can do to keep the kid from getting at the doctor. They don't arrest the nephew/army officer because in his official capacity, he is allowed to have his pistol and even to point it at anyone if he feels the need. They can't do anything to the doctor because even though the patios of the two homes touch and share only some lattice work/fence thing as separation, there is not any absolute proof that the doc tossed the poison in there. And they tell the woman just because they are good guys they won't arrest the kid for attempted assault.

    As they are all breaking up, the Colombian Officer coldly tells the kid, "Usted debe arreglar su ropa" which translates to English as "You better arrange your clothes". But in Colombian it means, "Figure out what you are going to wear for your funeral."

    Keep in mind that we have the woman, a dentist, the neighbor, an OB-Gyn, and a high placed Colombian Army Officer in the middle of the same private closed complex that a former Governor of the Department of Antioquia lived in. Pretty much "Gente Bien" for sure, very "bien".

    But when a Colombian levies a Culebra threat like that, well, you move, you leave. She moved out of that house the very next day and never went back.

    So far worse shit goes on up in those Barrios Populares up on the sides of the hills where the poor live and gangs are rife. I read an observation today that Funerals begat more Funerals in the hood. The Culebra enters brains and it crawls around and maddens you.

    And even with all of this neo-feudal security that really does work for the most part, Cali, Medellin, and even Santa Marta (on the Carib coast where the fast boats go out with cocaine) which you would never ever have any idea if you visited because it really has nothing to do with the majority of the city and especially the tourist that come there. You are safe walking around in all of those places at 3 in the morning. I know. I did it, often. But all three are in the top 50 highest murder rates in the world, higher than almost any city in Africa, only challenged by other Latin American cities. Medellin and Cali are in the top 20.

    So all the private security, short of someone standing in every room in the city, will not keep that "Gunplay" from happening unless those Gunplayers do not feel secure in walking the streets with hidden guns via Stop and Frisk.

    Read Norman Spinrad’s 1987 book, Little Heroes. A New York made up of the wealthy, living in protected areas guarded by Uzi-toting Zonies from the violent depredations of Streeties.

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